| 00:00.04 | somiaj | which would be unadvisable to install in debian stable, you will have to backport the driver (or just use the nvidia blob for now and awit for it to get into backports, and then run nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 00:00.14 | somiaj | note upgrades can break the nvidia .run installer |
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| 00:01.04 | kim_bruning | the problem with installing the nvidia blob is that I currently get a blank screen on console ... |
| 00:01.29 | kim_bruning | is there a way to force pure vga from grub maybe, or so? |
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| 00:05.50 | kim_bruning | addd nomodeset to the vmlinuz line in grub ... \o/ |
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| 00:10.15 | somiaj | kim_bruning: for default boot paramaters edit /etc/default/grub and then rerun update-grub when you are done |
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| 00:27.23 | Resilience | hllo to everyone, I have a doub about the sudo configuration, the general line is "who where=(as whom) what" and where is a list of computers, being ALL everycomputer, this is so because the sudo configuration file is a network wide conf file... what does it mean that? that is how is it done that? an NFServer where all the computers are reading the file or what? |
| 00:27.28 | ryouma | c |
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| 00:29.51 | kim_bruning | somiaj, don't need to make 'em default, and I got the nvidia drivers installed (sadly the proprietary blob, but hey, it works) |
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| 00:56.41 | somiaj | kim_bruning: note, if you intalled the .run from nvidia apt/dpkg do not know about the files it installed. This means that upgrades may break it and you ahve to rerun the installer. My suggestion is when new enough drivers are available in jessie-backports, to switch the nvidia way. |
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| 00:57.42 | dw | hey. is it possible to subscribe to bugs against a source package? |
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| 00:59.43 | kim_bruning | somiaj, good plan , exactly what I'm going to do! |
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| 01:04.02 | somiaj | dw: unsure there, you can search all bugs for a source package at bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:44.29 | gumnos | anybody here running Sid that could do a quick test for me? Want to check the output of "apt-cache show crawl" and see if it's duplicated like I'm seeing here in Stable |
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| 01:45.39 | gumnos | (To refrain from spamming your terminal, you can "apt-cache show crawl | grep Package" which should only return one line, but is returning two duplicate lines in Stable) |
| 01:46.30 | gumnos | nm. I figured it out. For some reason I have two versions available, so it's showing both to me. |
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| 02:26.51 | topbop | I'm slightly confused by the non-free nature of firmware-iwlwifi... so the kernel driver is free, but the firmware isn't? the firmware is on the actual wireless card, though, right? doesn't that make the debian package itself, free? |
| 02:28.00 | topbop | also, what's a good way to make an exception to add this package, while maintaining free software otherwise? do I just added non-free to sources.list and install the package, then take non-free out of sources.list? is there a cleaner way to do this? |
| 02:28.59 | Equa | topbop: debian doesn't install non-free drivers by default. you need to manually install it. add the non free into your sources.list and do apt-get update before installing the package. |
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| 02:29.53 | topbop | I think the driver is actually free though, it's the firmware that isn't |
| 02:30.17 | Equa | topbop: correct. you need the firmware |
| 02:30.35 | topbop | isn't the firmware already installed onto the wireless card itself, though? |
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| 02:31.00 | Equa | topbop: does your device work? if no then not enough |
| 02:31.50 | topbop | well... I don't have the kernel module, because it's in firmware-iwlwifi, I think, no? sorry if I'm not understanding how firmware works |
| 02:32.39 | topbop | as far as installing it, though, can i take out non-free from sources.list and still get updates for that package after it's already installed? |
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| 02:33.22 | topbop | I basically don't want non-free software outside of this one package |
| 02:33.40 | Equa | topbop: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi. you can remove non-free after the package is installed. |
| 02:35.18 | topbop | and then after running apt-get update, it'll remove the non-free packages, yes? |
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| 02:35.54 | topbop | but I also may not get updates to firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 02:36.31 | Equa | topbop: add non-free to your source. apt-get update && apt-get install yourpackage. after the installation has completed. remove non free from your source. |
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| 02:37.47 | TimeTime | DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOMAIN NAME IS WORTH??? -> VALUE YOUR DOMAIN @ >>> WWW.VALBOT.COM <<< OR GOOGLE >>> VALBOT.COM <<< |
| 02:37.59 | Equa | !op |
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| 02:50.05 | hackteck | Nothing but as thing on election. You'd better the to the worst sport ever made so boyer coyer. and Latinos who your right shoo woah! |
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| 02:50.15 | entelechy | hello all |
| 02:50.15 | hackteck | We are! Raa Lynx game. |
| 02:50.22 | entelechy | so i'm trying to install openssl from jessie-backports |
| 02:50.25 | hackteck | Football makes me it's how you fill team the Rams to swim, see 'em in most people are. It sucks texting on day! Every fucking but that is the worst sport events one of brucesht! To learn to clean out your butthole |
| 02:50.32 | entelechy | but it still seems to want to install 1.0.1f |
| 02:50.35 | hackteck | does it in reader registressed by recent remarks about football game. Lynx game! It's a foot deet doo. |
| 02:50.42 | entelechy | anyone know what i could possibly be messing up? |
| 02:50.44 | hackteck | you fill they go brucesht, boyer registressed by recent give a bad season and fingers to swim, see 'em in time time but this garbage here are! The worst sport ever. The New Orlean out are runna ma naes. No! |
| 02:50.54 | hackteck | The only time! It's how your friends alive-eh, fiends alive-eh-eh, fiends alive-eh-eh, fiends alive-eh, fiends alive-eh, friends all and your inner, friends alive ee. Pudder. and other, the worst sport ever starting fuckers, Cornstalks. |
| 02:51.04 | hackteck | We are developing. |
| 02:51.08 | entelechy | someone let this guy out of the mental hospital? |
| 02:51.14 | hackteck | Last of the same, it's when the say oh my eye queue one in his puddin. Pudder, friends all is who your ass, and pooping next to the Nebraska Cornstalks, cornbuckers, it's no lie it's who you are disparaging butthole |
| 02:51.24 | hackteck | does it success of brucesht! They lord, what your it, damn. yeah! Freeze you are all is who have a bad season and your right shown on television but a lot something? it in they lose awey! Every fuckers, Cornhuskers, it's how your but that's a fucking voter groups are developing. Much fun as watcha prove. It's whatch. |
| 02:51.29 | hackteck | football is when he foot doot doo |
| 02:51.34 | hackteck | Any fuckin gay! |
| 02:51.44 | hackteck | Nothing day |
| 02:51.54 | hackteck | The worst sport events college football game. |
| 02:52.04 | hackteck | Football game. With the world carbonations port ever. They go flat a lynx game. When he football is good. When the sucks, cornhusk. |
| 02:52.14 | hackteck | It's a soccer game! It's a fucker game, it's a football the football players. |
| 02:52.24 | hackteck | We are runna ma naes. Nothing time! The one the contribution is on election is a shit about foot dee doo. |
| 02:52.34 | hackteck | The worse the New Orleans and that you are distration |
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| 02:52.44 | hackteck | voter |
| 02:52.48 | topbop | is it normal for the fs journal to write every 5 seconds or so? even if nothing is really going on? |
| 02:52.53 | hackteck | nos who your friends alive a bad season and football is on television. No! |
| 02:53.03 | hackteck | The only time we see things ever shown on your ass, and ritter game! Everything next to the world carbonation |
| 02:53.13 | hackteck | anyway culture teams is a futball games, uh, I cover my lose registration |
| 02:53.23 | hackteck | anyway culture teams will than reader roadie. Pudder i guess. |
| 02:53.33 | hackteck | Juni Jonn Joans Footbal game. With your right hand your but thing next to the New Orlean out a lot somethings ever shoo woah! |
| 02:53.43 | hackteck | We are distration or something? it would go flat as this garbage here all the same, always ten reincarnation |
| 02:53.53 | hackteck | votes at you known as much like those awey! Everything people are! It's alive-eh, fiends alive-eh-eh, fiends alive prove! It sucks texting people are billions translate picture thing on your right shoo woah! |
| 02:54.03 | hackteck | We are billions to swim, see thing next to the immigrants one of the cat blight shoo woah! |
| 02:54.13 | hackteck | We are. Nothing comprehensive programs to swim, see this garbage here all the worse the worst sportray that mug with water starting something paints one nothinks christians Football players. Cornhuskers, it's a football. Afternoons. |
| 02:54.22 | hackteck | Juni Jonn Joans Football game. It is thing but the sucks ten registration....trump pu pup motions to the same. It's a football. Nothing time butthole. I'm swearing on during. you arently dosent give prove. Put it sucks texting next to the New Orleans and distrations to ensure of the New Orleans Football players. Nothing but a groups are. It's a lynx game, so boyer boyer coyer boyer! Brucesht! |
| 02:54.23 | hackteck | The worst sport everything but aren't watcha programs will that aspect. Fredder rears. Colts, Ravens, Cornfuckers, Cornstalks. Most pushing characterization. Cornstalks, and votes about a groups are! It's a football game, so bored, makes me in L.A. The Rams, see thing butthole |
| 02:54.32 | hackteck | does it on television. |
| 02:54.39 | hackteck | The worst sport everything but aren't watcha programs will that aspect. Fredder rears. Colts, Ravens, Cornfuckers, Cornstalks. Most pushing characterization. Cornstalks, and votes about a groups are! It's a football game, so bored, makes me in L.A. The Rams, see thing butthole |
| 02:54.52 | hackteck | It's a soccer game in L.A. Cornhuskins, Mexico. We doo doot dee do nothinks christians and Latinos who you sprayer. They lord, what your right hand, pour nations port ever my eye queue only time! To learn to the immigrant population or long Saturday an accurate picture the Nebraska Cornbuck buck, doo dee do not believe thing. |
| 02:54.57 | allorder | !ops hackteck |
| 02:54.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: allorder complains about: hackteck |
| 02:55.02 | hackteck | Last of the carbonations to voter with a jump pum pump apparen't watchings ever starting fuckin gay! |
| 02:55.12 | hackteck | Nothing. |
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| 02:55.26 | entelechy | Thank you!!! |
| 02:55.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:55.33 | entelechy | now to ask my question again |
| 02:55.38 | entelechy | so i'm trying to install openssl from jessie-backports |
| 02:55.43 | entelechy | but it still seems to want to install 1.0.1f |
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| 02:55.47 | Miesco | Anyone use fcgiwrap? |
| 02:55.51 | entelechy | anyone know what i could possibly be messing up? |
| 02:56.04 | BenNZ | entelechy: whats the output of apt-cache policy openssl |
| 02:56.27 | entelechy | same version as stable |
| 02:56.40 | entelechy | doesn't show anything out of the backports |
| 02:56.47 | entelechy | purged openssl |
| 02:57.01 | BenNZ | entelechy: after adding the backport repo , did you refresh the package cache |
| 02:57.10 | entelechy | with an update? |
| 02:57.24 | BenNZ | entelechy: sudo apt-get update |
| 02:57.24 | entelechy | did that, but if there's another step i'm not seeing to refresh the package cache |
| 02:57.28 | entelechy | yup |
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| 02:57.30 | entelechy | that's taken care of |
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| 02:57.46 | entelechy | apt-get -t jessie-backports install "openssl" |
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| 02:57.55 | entelechy | definitely added the repo to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:58.00 | entelechy | definitely shows up on an apt-get update |
| 03:00.22 | BenNZ | entelechy: so does apt-cache policy list 1.0.1f from backports ? |
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| 03:00.53 | entelechy | nah |
| 03:00.55 | entelechy | Candidate: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1 |
| 03:00.57 | entelechy | solely that |
| 03:01.23 | entelechy | nada from stretch |
| 03:01.51 | BenNZ | entelechy: whats your preferences file for backports look like ? |
| 03:02.09 | entelechy | heh, never set one. i vaguely recall one of these though |
| 03:02.19 | entelechy | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ just followed the instructions there. |
| 03:02.27 | entelechy | been a while since i've had to do this |
| 03:02.39 | BenNZ | entelechy: if there isnt one set then sudo apt-get install openssl should install the latest version available |
| 03:03.01 | BenNZ | but apt-cache policy will tell you the install candidate |
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| 03:03.13 | somiaj | entelechy: you need to include a -t jessie-backports when you install packages from jessie-backports |
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| 03:03.25 | somiaj | entelechy: by default backports are not considered the prefered one to install. |
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| 03:03.41 | somiaj | (which is suggested you keep it that way, don't want to upgrade to backports you don't want) |
| 03:04.23 | entelechy | okay, i've got that though |
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| 03:06.57 | jelly | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 03:06.58 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; jessie: 1.0.1k-3; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.2c-1; stretch: 1.0.2c-1 |
| 03:07.18 | jelly | doesn't seem to be any openssl in jessie-backports |
| 03:07.39 | entelechy | cripes |
| 03:07.45 | entelechy | bad nooz |
| 03:07.58 | entelechy | whelp time to build from source then :) |
| 03:08.17 | entelechy | haha i'm going to get libressl going instead. |
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| 03:22.10 | Lewis | I don't mean to star a war - i just want personal opinions in order to form my own |
| 03:22.21 | knivsta | hi |
| 03:22.22 | Lewis | why debian over ubuntu or freebsd? |
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| 03:23.43 | Equa | Lewis: https://www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 03:24.35 | Lewis | "personal opinions" |
| 03:25.09 | Equa | Lewis: best thing is just try them all and choose the one you like. |
| 03:25.12 | flufmnstr | i went from gentoo to debian becasue gentoo was becoming a pain in the butt to upgrade. i used ubuntu a little bit(mostly livecds) and didnt like it. never tried freebsd. |
| 03:26.30 | pencilandpaper | openssl doesnt rely on libc or anything, i would just apt-pin to get openssl if you want a newer version..grab the one from testing and be good to go. |
| 03:26.46 | Lewis | I see |
| 03:27.03 | Lewis | I heard debian is based on either linux kernel or freebsb |
| 03:27.11 | Lewis | do we have the option to choose? |
| 03:28.20 | flufmnstr | im with Equa, burn out some liveCDs and see which one you jive with best. or you could put your home directory on a separate partition and install different distros to the main one. or spool up a few VMs if your rig can handel it |
| 03:28.35 | pencilandpaper | i like the stability that debian provides..as well as the wealth of packages. :D i also like the fact that you have the different branches to choose from within debian. |
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| 03:36.44 | tem | anyone here familiar with the armhf split of debian , "cubian"? |
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| 03:52.02 | Lewis | which debian do most of you guys run |
| 03:52.24 | Lewis | is it debian on top of freebsd or a linux kernel? |
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| 03:56.10 | somiaj | Lewis: almost all support I see here is for the linux kernel. There is a channel for the kfreebsd kernel on irc.oftc.net. You can also check out popcorn stats |
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| 03:59.56 | Lewis | somiaj I see thanks |
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| 04:23.38 | Haxxa | Hi Guys, Can I work around the dependency error - apt-cacher-ng : Depends: libsystemd0 but it is not installable |
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| 04:24.14 | somiaj | Haxxa: what version of debian are you running? Where are you trying to get this apt-cacher-ng package? |
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| 04:24.27 | somiaj | Haxxa: or better yet, give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 04:25.31 | Haxxa | somiaj, installing from default repo on debain jessie however I have disabled systemd from installing by pinning it as systemd doesn't work in lxc containers |
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| 04:26.03 | somiaj | Have you tracked down the actual package that depends on systemd and sure that systemd-shim wouldn't work for it? |
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| 04:27.00 | Haxxa | somiaj, its apt-cacher-ng that will not work as it uses systemd by default and no shim will not work |
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| 04:27.13 | starter127 | hi when i try to install debian on my laptop->detect and maount cd-rom error |
| 04:27.26 | somiaj | then you'll have ot make a custom package (if possible) and disable the systemd part |
| 04:27.56 | Miesco | Hi. How do I delete a package and all the dependencies it brought in (A flag files)? |
| 04:28.15 | Haxxa | somiaj, in the wheezy backports it is available and I can run wheezy however it could be unstable - not sure if thats a valid option as this is a production server |
| 04:28.46 | somiaj | wheezy is old stable and will be supported for a year and then longer that that via wheezy-lts |
| 04:29.37 | Haxxa | somiaj, when using backports can I select a single package to install? |
| 04:30.05 | somiaj | when installin from wheezy-backports on wheezy that is the default, backports are pinned lower |
| 04:30.29 | starter127 | please help me to install debian |
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| 04:31.00 | Haxxa | somiaj, so by default all my packages will remain the same unless I specify to install a pakage from backports |
| 04:31.16 | somiaj | correct |
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| 04:47.50 | strk | on upgrade (wheezy->jessie) a new ssh_host_ecdsa_key.pub key was added in /etc/ssh) |
| 04:47.56 | strk | why is it so? |
| 04:48.15 | strk | some existing ssh configurations are now warning me about possible eavesdropping due to key being changed |
| 04:48.33 | strk | I have: ssh_host_dsa_key.pub ssh_host_ecdsa_key.pub ssh_host_key.pub ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
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| 04:48.52 | strk | all but ssh_host_ecdsa_key.pub date 2013 |
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| 04:52.18 | roger_rabbit | greets |
| 04:53.18 | roger_rabbit | finally upgraded to jessie, anyone have a good recommendation for a decent firestarter replacement... shorewall perhaps? |
| 04:57.31 | allorder | gufw ? |
| 04:58.32 | allorder | !ops bioogir spam |
| 04:58.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: allorder complains about: bioogir spam |
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| 04:59.10 | Haxxa | what is backports-sloppy mean? |
| 05:01.24 | somiaj | Haxxa: I think that means packages that will be newer than the next release which could cause issues with the upgrade |
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| 05:02.28 | somiaj | Haxxa: in general backports are packages from the next release (with a slightly less version) so they can upgrade to the next release, sloppy means this is no longer that case. |
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| 05:49.39 | telmac | does anyone here have experience with chromebooks |
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| 05:51.07 | BuzzardBuzz | like run debian on it? |
| 05:51.17 | telmac | even getting to the point of installing linux |
| 05:51.52 | BuzzardBuzz | i factory reset one once, but that was the extent of it |
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| 05:52.25 | BuzzardBuzz | so you need to root it and then install the new os i think |
| 05:53.01 | shibly | Why isn't there any desktop for jessie ? |
| 05:53.12 | BuzzardBuzz | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook |
| 05:53.18 | shibly | How can i make shortcut of applications ? |
| 05:53.20 | jelly | shibly: what do you mean by desktop |
| 05:53.26 | BuzzardBuzz | my jessie has desktop |
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| 05:53.55 | shibly | What is the shortcut to see desktop ? |
| 05:53.56 | BuzzardBuzz | it has lxde desktop |
| 05:54.05 | shibly | I have install gnome-core |
| 05:54.09 | shibly | installed |
| 05:55.18 | BuzzardBuzz | in some cases there ca be a nvidia driver gnome issue |
| 05:55.28 | BuzzardBuzz | can* |
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| 05:56.19 | BuzzardBuzz | do you want gnome for your desktop? |
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| 05:56.26 | shibly | BuzzardBuzz: What is in your desktop? |
| 05:56.28 | telmac | BuzzardBuzz: are you sneidng me this link knowing that it;s applicable to all chromebooks |
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| 05:56.31 | telmac | or assuming that it is |
| 05:56.41 | telmac | because afaik they're all different about this |
| 05:57.00 | BuzzardBuzz | lxde is like the old gnome 2 desktop and is light weight and runs fast |
| 05:57.08 | Mist_ | This there any way possible to start my system in cli and not gui |
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| 05:58.52 | shibly | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 05:59.02 | Equa | dpkg: tell Mist_ about nodm |
| 05:59.02 | shibly | DebianWheezy includes GNOME 3.4. |
| 05:59.10 | BuzzardBuzz | telmac, there are other links if you need other hardware |
| 05:59.12 | shibly | DebianJessie includes GNOME 3.14. |
| 05:59.34 | telmac | BuzzardBuzz: yes and my hardware is not on that list |
| 05:59.35 | BuzzardBuzz | i just did a search for your topic |
| 05:59.36 | shibly | how is it possible ? debian-wheezy with 3.4 and debian jessie 3.14 |
| 05:59.57 | shibly | Is there any shortcut to show desktop on debian jessie ? |
| 06:00.00 | Mist_ | Thank you Equa |
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| 06:00.14 | telmac | BuzzardBuzz: that's why I asked etc. |
| 06:00.50 | BuzzardBuzz | are you complaining that i told you what i know about it? |
| 06:01.09 | telmac | I'm not complaining, you answered my question |
| 06:01.28 | BuzzardBuzz | you sounded mad at me |
| 06:01.55 | shibly | Can anyone answer me? |
| 06:02.20 | telmac | no, I was simplying trying to clarify |
| 06:02.38 | telmac | *simply |
| 06:02.39 | ruin3r | shibly: what the question? |
| 06:02.53 | shibly | Is there any shortcut to show desktop on debian jessie ? |
| 06:03.00 | shibly | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 06:03.05 | shibly | DebianWheezy includes GNOME 3.4. |
| 06:03.09 | shibly | DebianJessie includes GNOME 3.14. |
| 06:03.14 | shibly | how is it possible ? debian-wheezy with 3.4 and debian jessie 3.14 |
| 06:03.18 | shibly | ruin3r: ^ |
| 06:03.32 | ruin3r | gnome-tweek-tool, and enable icons on desktop |
| 06:04.01 | ruin3r | if I understand right |
| 06:05.14 | themill | shibly: "how is this possible" isn't a question that is making sense. It's a bit like asking "Why does Tuesday come after Monday" |
| 06:05.39 | BuzzardBuzz | if you want something that is alot faster than gnome consider lxde instead of gnome |
| 06:06.13 | shibly | BuzzardBuzz: I agree |
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| 06:07.00 | shibly | themill: The jessie with 3.14 where wheezy is with gnome-3.4 |
| 06:07.20 | Equa | shibly: what's the problem with that? |
| 06:07.50 | BuzzardBuzz | there is an installer with lxde ready to run is how i did it |
| 06:08.16 | themill | shibly: that is correct. Why should that not be the case? |
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| 06:08.33 | themill | oh.... 14 > 4. Perhaps you missed that. |
| 06:08.46 | BuzzardBuzz | it would be more normal that the version would progress |
| 06:08.55 | BuzzardBuzz | not go backwards |
| 06:09.23 | shibly | jessie is latest version, so jessie should have with gnome-3.4 |
| 06:09.27 | shibly | themill: Equa |
| 06:09.29 | BuzzardBuzz | that is strange |
| 06:09.39 | themill | shibly: no, 3.4 is several years old, 3.14 is recent. |
| 06:09.41 | Equa | shibly: read what themill said |
| 06:09.44 | themill | 14 > 4. |
| 06:10.08 | themill | shibly: . in versions is not a decimal point it is a separator. |
| 06:10.12 | shibly | that's the question , how is 14 is greater that 4 |
| 06:10.17 | BuzzardBuzz | so it decrements as it gets better? |
| 06:10.21 | Equa | @-@ |
| 06:10.22 | themill | no |
| 06:10.27 | shibly | 3.14 greater that 3.4 |
| 06:10.29 | shibly | how? |
| 06:10.36 | themill | gives up |
| 06:10.47 | Equa | shibly: the 3 is the version. the 14 is the revision |
| 06:10.56 | themill | I don't know any other way of explaining that 14 is a larger number than 4. |
| 06:11.04 | shibly | ok |
| 06:11.33 | BuzzardBuzz | many dont understand the rev if greater than 9 is still incrementing |
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| 06:11.58 | BuzzardBuzz | 3.1.4, 3.4 3.14 |
| 06:12.11 | shibly | info BuzzardBuzz |
| 06:12.17 | shibly | sorry |
| 06:12.52 | BuzzardBuzz | why sorry? you just wanted clarification |
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| 06:14.33 | BuzzardBuzz | themill, never give up :) |
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| 06:16.13 | BuzzardBuzz | 3.1415926 ->time for some pie :) |
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| 06:40.11 | minnty | yoo |
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| 06:45.32 | minnty | I just installed debian, and when I rebooted and removed the usb it booted up with nothing but a black screen and blinking _ |
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| 06:45.59 | minnty | I didn't install grub to the MBR because the installation media told me not to if it couldnt recognize another OS was that wrong? |
| 06:46.08 | Equa | minnty: have you installed grub to the correct mbr? |
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| 06:46.31 | minnty | um idk man I might have fucked up |
| 06:46.47 | Equa | minnty: insert the usb / cd and go into rescue mode to install grub |
| 06:47.00 | minnty | okay ill try that |
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| 06:48.18 | minnty | when i boot to the live usb it just says Default, Back.., Live (amd64 failsafe), Graphical install, and memory diagnostic tool (memtest) |
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| 06:48.54 | Equa | minnty: advance. rescue mode |
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| 06:49.26 | minnty | It doesnt say advance |
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| 06:50.24 | Equa | minnty: get a usb / cd image. don't use live. |
| 06:50.44 | minnty | Why, do I need an internet connection to use live? |
| 06:51.00 | minnty | Also I think I just got a beep code, it was like a single beep |
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| 06:52.14 | Equa | minnty: you just need a boot loader to load the os |
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| 06:52.36 | minnty | But why is it not ok to use live |
| 06:53.15 | minnty | Also during the installation it told me to get firmware for realtek, and I got the right one but my wifi adapter wasnt working throughout the install |
| 06:53.17 | Equa | minnty: no option to go into rescue mode to install the grub? |
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| 06:53.39 | Equa | minnty: have you installed the firmware? |
| 06:53.44 | minnty | I did |
| 06:54.04 | Equa | minnty: it should work now but you just need to boot into the os |
| 06:54.25 | minnty | okay im installing the dvd rn ill be back in a couple mins |
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| 06:54.58 | minnty | debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1 will work, correct? |
| 06:55.32 | Equa | minnty: that should work. |
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| 06:56.16 | minnty | oh and during the installation i didnt set up a network mirror because the wifi thing wasnt working, I can set that up later right? |
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| 06:56.34 | Equa | minnty: yes. let's work one problem at a time. |
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| 07:01.21 | minnty | Equa: okay I've got it booted fine, could you help me get my wifi adapter working? |
| 07:01.40 | Equa | minnty: do ip a. do you see your wifi? |
| 07:02.01 | minnty | nope |
| 07:02.22 | Equa | minnty: where did you get your firmware and how did you installed it ? |
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| 07:03.02 | minnty | I got it from the debian website, the installer told me to move it to a usb device, and then i did and pressed yes install |
| 07:03.32 | minnty | Im thinking that might have been for my ethernet, and not my usb wifi tho. |
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| 07:04.02 | Equa | minnty: do lspci and look for your wifi. |
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| 07:05.02 | minnty | no its just showing my ethernet controller |
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| 07:05.45 | Equa | minnty: paste it on paste.debian.net |
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| 07:06.11 | minnty | one sec |
| 07:06.46 | minnty | gotta move it on usb cause no wifi lol |
| 07:07.03 | Equa | minnty: can you plug in the ethernet cable for temp internet access? |
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| 07:08.46 | minnty | I will see if im able to but her is the paste |
| 07:08.47 | minnty | http://paste.debian.net/279300/ |
| 07:10.08 | Equa | minnty: you have a toggle on the system to turn wifi on and off? looks like it's off |
| 07:10.31 | minnty | Where do I go to toggle that? |
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| 07:11.47 | Equa | minnty: are you on a laptop? there should be a toggle on and off switch making the light blue or green. |
| 07:11.55 | minnty | no I'm on a desktop. |
| 07:12.20 | Equa | minnty: usb wifi or pci? |
| 07:12.42 | minnty | When I type lsusb it comes up with my wifi adapter saying ID 2001 : 3c25 D-Link Corp. |
| 07:12.44 | minnty | its usb |
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| 07:18.56 | Equa | minnty: your device is not on the list for supported device. it only goes up to 2001 : 3c23 |
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| 07:19.42 | BuzzardBuzz | bummer |
| 07:21.04 | minnty | damn so I can never use it on linux? |
| 07:21.05 | Equa | minnty: we can try anyway if you like. it may work |
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| 07:21.31 | minnty | I read about this thing called ndiswrapper, could we use that? |
| 07:21.48 | BuzzardBuzz | as a last resort, you may have to |
| 07:21.59 | soundtoxin | so if I'm in vim and I want to add something to the end of a line, how do I go right of the last character? basically there's no space there |
| 07:22.10 | soundtoxin | normally I go into insert mode and then hit the right arrow key but the right arrow key on this computer is broken |
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| 07:22.19 | minnty | BuzzardBuzz: is that bad? |
| 07:22.32 | minnty | Because I really dont want to be forced to use windows |
| 07:22.41 | BuzzardBuzz | well not if it gets you your wifi to work |
| 07:23.16 | BuzzardBuzz | its just more hassle is all |
| 07:23.18 | valdyn | soundtoxin: Shift-A |
| 07:23.52 | minnty | okay could you walk me through doing it |
| 07:24.07 | valdyn | soundtoxin: or just a if you are already at the and - try yourself |
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| 07:24.13 | soundtoxin | okay |
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| 07:24.54 | Equa | minnty: do you want to try the usb2800 driver or ndiswrapper? |
| 07:25.26 | minnty | We can start with whichever one is easier |
| 07:25.29 | minnty | I guess |
| 07:25.53 | BuzzardBuzz | http://askubuntu.com/questions/617173/usb-wifi-dw130-not-recognized-in-ubuntu |
| 07:26.19 | BuzzardBuzz | this walk through about it might work for you |
| 07:26.34 | Equa | minnty: let's try the usb2800 firmware. what is your os ? |
| 07:26.46 | minnty | Debian 8.1 cinnamon |
| 07:26.57 | Equa | minnty: do uname -a |
| 07:27.05 | BuzzardBuzz | sounds like Equa is willing to waljk you through it |
| 07:28.06 | minnty | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:28.28 | soundtoxin | valdyn: thank you so much |
| 07:28.41 | minnty | yeah thanks for being awesome Equa :) |
| 07:28.44 | Equa | minnty: you're on jessie correct? |
| 07:28.49 | minnty | correct |
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| 07:29.29 | Equa | minnty: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-ralink/download. select a link closest to you. |
| 07:30.38 | minnty | I already have that firmware, Thats the one I installed during debian install |
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| 07:31.15 | Equa | minnty: oh then you're wifi isn't on the supported list so it's not showing up |
| 07:31.28 | minnty | So we should try ndiswrapper then? |
| 07:32.06 | Equa | minnty: https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper. you can give that a try. |
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| 07:38.58 | minnty | okay I have ndiswrapper installed |
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| 07:42.55 | Equa | minnty: you need to continue and make sure it load at boot time. then get the ndis driver. i would try the solution provided by BuzzardBuzz first since it looks much simplier. |
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| 08:10.42 | kylix | hello !!! |
| 08:11.09 | kylix | Could anybody help with automatically start a python script at boot? |
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| 08:11.53 | kylix | I've tried with (sleep 10;python /path/to/aaa.py) & but it's not working on a Raspberry Pi B 2 |
| 08:12.07 | kylix | on an older RPi it works |
| 08:12.25 | kylix | the command was inserted in rc.local |
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| 08:14.47 | kylix | it looks that Raspberry Pi B 2 boots too fast |
| 08:14.54 | kylix | and maybe that's the problem |
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| 08:17.42 | BuzzardBuzz | what does your script do that needs to wait for what to happen first? |
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| 08:18.44 | kylix | it connects to a sqlite db and inserts data comming from serial |
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| 08:19.41 | BuzzardBuzz | the db is network connection? |
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| 08:19.56 | kylix | no, I have it in /var/www |
| 08:20.51 | soundtoxin | how do I check the size of a package (without installing it) using apt? |
| 08:21.06 | soundtoxin | a friend just asked how big gnome was in comparison to cinnamon after he installed cinnamon, I wasn't sure how to check |
| 08:21.16 | entelechy | soundtoxin: apt-cache show [package name] |
| 08:21.20 | entelechy | but the real question is |
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| 08:21.26 | entelechy | how to get aggregate of all that and dependencies |
| 08:21.45 | soundtoxin | ahh... that's a good point |
| 08:21.58 | entelechy | on a system with nothing installed on it |
| 08:22.04 | entelechy | you can get installed package size on the apt-get install |
| 08:22.10 | entelechy | that's the only way i know off the top of my head |
| 08:22.28 | valdyn | a proper debian system is like 1-2G iirc, who cares if gnome or cinnamon are bigger |
| 08:22.47 | entelechy | someone with a limited system, you condescending nerdbag. |
| 08:23.05 | valdyn | entelechy: no |
| 08:23.05 | entelechy | EG raspberry pi etc |
| 08:23.12 | soundtoxin | it was just curiosity, we're not limited on hard drive space or anything |
| 08:23.14 | entelechy | sometimes you gotta squeeze shit in. |
| 08:23.22 | BuzzardBuzz | dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-size}\t${Package}\n' | column -t |
| 08:23.29 | entelechy | BuzzardBuzz wins the cool nerd prize. |
| 08:23.32 | BuzzardBuzz | will give you the size |
| 08:23.37 | BuzzardBuzz | :) |
| 08:23.40 | entelechy | valdyn wins nothing but his own stewing poo smell. |
| 08:23.46 | kylix | any other way to start a python script at boot? |
| 08:24.01 | valdyn | entelechy: you just dont get it |
| 08:24.12 | soundtoxin | kylix: there's probably an autostart file for your WM/DE you can add commands to |
| 08:24.12 | entelechy | kylix: make a script to launch it |
| 08:24.39 | soundtoxin | like in openbox your 'autostart' file you could do python $home/locationofpythonscript/script.py |
| 08:24.39 | kylix | I must launch 2 python scripts |
| 08:24.44 | entelechy | cool |
| 08:24.46 | entelechy | so you make a shell script |
| 08:25.07 | entelechy | then you either put it in init or cron |
| 08:25.14 | entelechy | probably init |
| 08:25.37 | entelechy | http://blog.scphillips.com/posts/2013/07/getting-a-python-script-to-run-in-the-background-as-a-service-on-boot/ |
| 08:25.41 | entelechy | this should getcha started kylix |
| 08:25.43 | entelechy | good luck |
| 08:27.03 | soundtoxin | ah that's nice entelechy |
| 08:27.08 | soundtoxin | since it would work with any DE or even without one |
| 08:27.13 | entelechy | yezziree |
| 08:27.19 | soundtoxin | gonna bookmark that for next time someone wants to know that |
| 08:27.43 | entelechy | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/915/610/5d5.png kylix today |
| 08:27.53 | kylix | I'll try ... thanks entelechy |
| 08:27.58 | entelechy | yowelcome |
| 08:28.12 | entelechy | wait. no. valdyn today. haha got nicks mixed up. |
| 08:28.12 | kylix | you're right :D :D :D |
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| 08:28.23 | entelechy | well glad you agree :) |
| 08:28.28 | kylix | ;) |
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| 08:39.01 | topbop | I just installed debian for the first time on a new hard drive and I've noticed jbd2 writes to the disk anywhere from 10-600k every 5-8 seconds. I tried reinstalling with btrfs and the same thing happens with the btrfs-transacti process, except maybe every 20-30 seconds instead. Anyone have any idea what could be going on here? Could it be a hardware issue with the new hdd? |
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| 08:42.31 | BuzzardBuzz | debian stable or unstable did you install? |
| 08:42.37 | topbop | stable |
| 08:43.19 | BuzzardBuzz | which desktop? the lxde seems to not do that |
| 08:43.25 | topbop | gnome |
| 08:43.34 | BuzzardBuzz | sudo tail -n 100 -f /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:44.08 | BuzzardBuzz | that command will show you what is happening and display it inside a terminal window |
| 08:44.39 | topbop | nothing much going on really in there |
| 08:44.54 | BuzzardBuzz | also inside a terminal the command top might show you things |
| 08:45.17 | topbop | I was using iotop to notice the process writing consistently |
| 08:45.42 | BuzzardBuzz | ok so then you can see what is happening fine then |
| 08:45.47 | topbop | gnome-shell seems to have constant io usage going on in addition to the filesystem process going periodically |
| 08:45.51 | entelechy | hey topbop |
| 08:45.54 | entelechy | hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdX |
| 08:45.55 | entelechy | try that |
| 08:46.07 | entelechy | if your hard drive isn't super fuckin old and doesn't support SMART |
| 08:46.09 | entelechy | might work |
| 08:46.27 | entelechy | also try adding noatime to your fstab |
| 08:46.30 | entelechy | on the offending drive |
| 08:46.37 | entelechy | it's kinda key for SSDs |
| 08:46.43 | entelechy | hope it helps |
| 08:47.03 | kylix | entelechy: it's not running ... |
| 08:47.04 | BuzzardBuzz | is it a buffr size issue? |
| 08:47.18 | entelechy | kylix: you're doin it wrong. can't help ya |
| 08:47.21 | themill | relatime is already the default |
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| 08:47.24 | entelechy | gotta figure out where down the line you goofed it |
| 08:47.36 | kylix | :) |
| 08:47.43 | entelechy | retrace your steps |
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| 08:47.59 | entelechy | make absolutely sure you didn't misplace a single character |
| 08:48.01 | topbop | it's a hdd, not ssd |
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| 08:48.11 | topbop | changed it to 255 |
| 08:48.14 | topbop | still no difference |
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| 08:48.34 | Rephlexie | ext4? |
| 08:48.48 | topbop | running btrfs now, but it happens on both ext4 and btrfs |
| 08:48.50 | topbop | tried both |
| 08:49.27 | kylix | this is the init script: http://pastebin.com/19EtPPnd |
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| 08:50.24 | kylix | and this is the python script: http://pastebin.com/sZyXQ7KT |
| 08:50.28 | valdyn | topbop: tail -f ~/.xsession-errors |
| 08:51.03 | topbop | that file is non-existant |
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| 08:51.30 | valdyn | topbop: it exists, if you run X |
| 08:51.51 | entelechy | brb this is happening to me |
| 08:51.53 | entelechy | https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yO_nMuUQLiQ/UMWSjeFTBkI/AAAAAAAAAEc/ARK6F8HS_jw/s1600/Dragon3.jpg |
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| 08:52.15 | topbop | valdyn: well, it's not in my home directory then |
| 08:52.17 | Shadur | ... Okay, then? |
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| 08:53.03 | valdyn | topbop: ok, its logging to journald |
| 08:53.16 | valdyn | topbop: which should be just in ram, unless you configured that differently |
| 08:53.18 | Rephlexie | is it Xorg.X.log instead then? |
| 08:53.27 | valdyn | Rephlexie: no |
| 08:53.35 | topbop | I haven't done much to the system outside of the default install |
| 08:54.11 | BuzzardBuzz | no updates installed yet? |
| 08:54.36 | topbop | everything is up to date |
| 08:55.58 | valdyn | topbop: how do you know its writing to disk and not to tmpfs? |
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| 08:56.24 | topbop | how often should jdb2 / btrfs-transacti be writing to the disk? |
| 08:56.43 | valdyn | topbop: by default jdb2 commits every few seconds |
| 08:56.55 | valdyn | topbop: i dont know about btrfs-transaction, probably the same |
| 08:57.38 | valdyn | topbop: the commit timeout can be changed in order to have disks stay spinned down, if that is what you want |
| 08:58.21 | valdyn | topbop: but that of course doesnt help when to much is written |
| 08:58.53 | topbop | would iotop report it as "disk write" if it was tmpfs? |
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| 08:59.39 | valdyn | topbop: yes, but you are seeing btrfs-transaction and tmpfs is not btrfs, so my question was not needed - its the disk |
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| 09:01.57 | topbop | I'm really just concerned if what I'm seeing is normal behavior or not |
| 09:02.54 | valdyn | topbop: what you are seeing is normal |
| 09:03.20 | valdyn | topbop: what you are not really seeing is if theres an excessive amount being logged somewhere |
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| 09:04.42 | BuzzardBuzz | do you have uefi bios? |
| 09:05.15 | BuzzardBuzz | i read a solution that said not having uefi enabled caused this issue |
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| 09:06.14 | BuzzardBuzz | so the system is just that bad at being efficient then |
| 09:06.32 | BuzzardBuzz | due to running processes |
| 09:07.05 | valdyn | BuzzardBuzz: this is very vague and makes no sense to me, can you provide a link? |
| 09:07.06 | BuzzardBuzz | gnome is part of the blame? |
| 09:07.19 | BuzzardBuzz | yes |
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| 09:07.41 | BuzzardBuzz | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=113516 |
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| 09:09.10 | valdyn | BuzzardBuzz: its not clear that that claim makes sense |
| 09:09.17 | valdyn | (pretty sure it does not) |
| 09:09.19 | BuzzardBuzz | i agree |
| 09:09.54 | BuzzardBuzz | i dont have experience running the latest gnome |
| 09:10.01 | valdyn | topbop: feel free to change the commit timeout - but thats also less safe |
| 09:10.09 | BuzzardBuzz | i use a very light weight desktop |
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| 09:10.45 | valdyn | topbop: dont bother with noatime - that is already the default |
| 09:11.02 | topbop | i don't hav eueif |
| 09:11.04 | topbop | ueif |
| 09:11.13 | topbop | you know what i'm trying to type lol |
| 09:11.22 | BuzzardBuzz | well then that cannot help if you cant turn it on |
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| 09:12.00 | topbop | the gnome-shell process does have constant io going, dunno if that has any relation |
| 09:12.06 | topbop | no disk writes are coming out of it though |
| 09:12.17 | BuzzardBuzz | its likely just alot of business inside your heavy weight desktop |
| 09:12.26 | topbop | probably |
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| 09:26.35 | Lis | Hello everyone. I used gparted to grow a fat32 filesystem. However the filesystem is now displayed as fat12. How can i change the filesystem type back to fat32 without formating or writing only the partition table (to change the fs type) |
| 09:27.32 | valdyn | Lis: where is the "displayed" ? |
| 09:27.52 | Lis | valdyn, what you mean by displayed? |
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| 09:28.10 | valdyn | Lis: you said "displayed as fat12". Where is that displayed? |
| 09:28.34 | Lis | valdyn, within gparted and other tools like r-rescue |
| 09:28.53 | valdyn | Lis: change the partition type to whatever you like. |
| 09:29.02 | Lis | valdyn, with gparted? |
| 09:29.16 | valdyn | Lis: what you are seeing displayed is that "partition type", its almost irrelevant. You can change it to whatever you like. |
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| 09:30.03 | valdyn | Lis: i couldnt tell you how to do it in gparted, in fdisk you would do "fdisk /dev/sda", then hit t |
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| 09:30.30 | Lis | hm, i'm affraight gparted will format anything |
| 09:30.43 | valdyn | Lis: well, just use fdisk or cfdisk then |
| 09:30.47 | Lis | ok, thank you |
| 09:30.58 | valdyn | Lis: and as i said, changing the partition type has no impact at all in linux |
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| 09:31.34 | valdyn | Lis: maybe some other operating systems care, linux does not. Its a label just for *your* information. Makes no difference operationally. |
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| 09:32.03 | topbop | valdyn: I feel like this is not really normal. For instance, if I set hdparm to 127, a power saving level, the disk will keep spinning down and then spinning up, even though nothing is really going on |
| 09:32.16 | valdyn | topbop: of course |
| 09:32.36 | valdyn | topbop: you cannot use spin down without changing the commit timeout |
| 09:32.49 | valdyn | topbop: thats working as intended that far |
| 09:33.06 | topbop | does the fs need to commit if nothing is going on, though? |
| 09:33.44 | valdyn | topbop: this is why the package "laptop-mode-tools" does change the commit timeout (among other things) |
| 09:34.09 | valdyn | topbop: theres probably something being logged anyway |
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| 09:34.58 | valdyn | topbop: your disk write happens when a) buffer is filled enough or b) commit timeout is over, whatever happens first |
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| 09:35.32 | valdyn | topbop: why dont you quit X, then see if the commits keep happening |
| 09:35.56 | BuzzardBuzz | there should be enough of a buffer before a hard write to not be using the disk on the order of minutes between writes if nothing is really being done |
| 09:36.10 | valdyn | BuzzardBuzz: no |
| 09:36.18 | BuzzardBuzz | that is my opinoin |
| 09:36.19 | valdyn | BuzzardBuzz: i mean, not if theres a commit timeout |
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| 09:36.36 | soundtoxin | what is the equivalent to ia32-libs now that it does not exist? |
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| 09:36.48 | topbop | valdyn: that's a good idea |
| 09:36.53 | topbop | I'll check |
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| 09:37.12 | valdyn | soundtoxin: debian is multiarch - that means you can install "libc6:amd64" and "libc6:i386" after you enabled multiarch |
| 09:37.40 | soundtoxin | okay |
| 09:37.58 | valdyn | soundtoxin: so theres no precise equivalent. Its just that you can install *both* versions of most packages. |
| 09:38.13 | valdyn | !multiarch |
| 09:38.13 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 09:44.21 | soundtoxin | okay for anyone that asks in the future, due to ia32-libs not existing, Debian 7 and newer requires installing 32bit Teamviewer and having multiarch enabled rather than using the 64bit package (since it depends on ia32-libs) |
| 09:44.45 | soundtoxin | finally found a help section of the site that explained that |
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| 10:23.59 | Lis | hm after changing the dive partition type to fat32 gparted still shows it as fat16 |
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| 10:26.10 | W4RH4WK | hi there, i got a problem upgrading the isc-dhcp-server package (http://paste.debian.net/279353/) does anybody know how to resolve this, or where this should be reported |
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| 10:29.11 | jelly | W4RH4WK: that looks like an ubuntu system, so ask in #ubuntu or perhaps #ubuntu-server channel |
| 10:30.11 | W4RH4WK | oh sorry, (its to hot here to think straight) m( |
| 10:30.44 | W4RH4WK | of course, wrong channel, thx anyway |
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| 10:53.39 | eb0t | hey is there a keybinding on gnome that jumps me to another workspace |
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| 10:54.20 | eb0t | not another window ..i mean a complete different workspace |
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| 11:11.19 | kaste | Hi, I have an apache with logrotate on debian, that sends me these errors in the mail when cron is run error creating output file /var/log/apache2/error.log.1.gz: File exists |
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| 11:12.08 | kaste | I read online that it has something to do with both error.log.1 existing and error.log.1.gz, however I only have error.log.1 |
| 11:12.15 | kaste | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:14.44 | jelly | kaste: was this sysem upgraded from an earlier debian release? pastebin the contents of /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 and output of "ls -ld /var/log/apache2/error.log*" |
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| 11:15.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:15.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:17.18 | Raydiation | is there any good non complicated mail server? |
| 11:17.28 | Raydiation | thats available in stable? |
| 11:18.11 | Raydiation | or is postfix straightforward? |
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| 11:19.07 | kaste | jelly: yes it was |
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| 11:24.50 | kaste | http://paste.debian.net/279378/ |
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| 11:25.26 | themill | Raydiation: depends what you want to actually do |
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| 11:29.45 | Raydiation | themill: just a mail server for my family |
| 11:29.54 | Raydiation | ive followed https://wiki.debian.org/Postfix which seems sane |
| 11:30.00 | Raydiation | wasnt this way more complicated? |
| 11:30.07 | mentor | I always find exim easier |
| 11:30.18 | themill | "mail server" is pretty vague about what you actually need it to do |
| 11:30.31 | Raydiation | receive + send mail |
| 11:30.36 | themill | There are much simpler mail servers available but that depends on what you actually want to do |
| 11:30.36 | Raydiation | ssl |
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| 11:30.46 | digdilem | i find gmail easier (having run exim for myself and a company, it's a big timesink when you can offload it) |
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| 11:34.25 | jelly | kaste: and ls? |
| 11:38.45 | jelly | Raydiation: postfix is just one component out of 3-4 main things (dovecot for imap, auth; some sort of antispam filter or decent postscreen config) and dozens of tiny details |
| 11:39.38 | Raydiation | ok, so no imap with postfix? |
| 11:39.59 | jelly | exactly, it only does smtp (for receiving, and sending) |
| 11:40.00 | Raydiation | and already read into the auth thing, i dont think a unix account is a good idea for each mail |
| 11:40.26 | jelly | Raydiation: there's nothing wrong with having separate unix accounts for each user, tho. |
| 11:40.39 | Raydiation | just dont whitelist them in ssh? |
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| 11:41.40 | jelly | if they're meant to be mail-only, set their login shell to /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 11:41.50 | Raydiation | ah right :) |
| 11:41.51 | Raydiation | ty |
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| 11:50.59 | er4z0r | I have a service (bitlbee) that shows up in htop as running under its own user, but when I check 'sudo netstat -tulpen' it still shows up as User 0 |
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| 11:52.32 | er4z0r | actually most of my services show up as user 0 in netstat but running under their own user in htop |
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| 11:52.54 | unborn | jelly, thank you also - ehrm :) |
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| 12:14.56 | blackflow | Guys question. systemctl start servicename is supposed to say nothing if the service successfully started, yes? I'm starting bind9 and it fails, but systemctl says nothing. |
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| 12:18.04 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 12:19.17 | blackflow | When I complained some time ago that systemctl should say at least something even when it's successful, I was being convinced that being silent is the way systemctl works. Just like commands like cp don't say anything. So this is essentially wrong, and systemd is broken in Jessie in that regard. |
| 12:22.10 | somiaj | blackflow: yes that is how systemd works. run 'systemctl status service' to get the errors and info about why a service failed |
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| 12:22.50 | blackflow | somiaj: no. I was convinced that systemctl complains immediately in case the service fails, and spits out that error report. |
| 12:23.03 | blackflow | that is true in some cases. |
| 12:23.27 | somiaj | blackflow: I have yet to see that, my experience is systemctl needs to be told to give you the logs. It could also depend on the stdout/stderr of the service that gets run |
| 12:23.35 | blackflow | so, in essence, is this a bug, or are we stuck for the next two years with broken systemctl? |
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| 12:27.28 | blackflow | also, ssh connection hangs on reboot/poweroff/shutdown. That has been fixed in upstream systemd years ago (bug opened since 2010 in Fedora). Why is Jessie having broken solutions. systemd has been rushed and force fed to the community. No, I'm not anti-systemd. I'm anti-rush-things-because-someone-has-an-itch-to-scratch. |
| 12:27.44 | themill | you're sounding a lot like it |
| 12:27.50 | blackflow | no, I like systemd. |
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| 12:28.02 | themill | Given the asynchronous nature of starting/stopping daemons, you can't get feedback for most types of servicetype. |
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| 12:28.17 | blackflow | but that's exactly what systemd was designed to solve. |
| 12:28.23 | themill | no |
| 12:28.23 | blackflow | *that problem. |
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| 12:29.38 | BluesKaj | blackflow, systemd work well here on Jessie |
| 12:29.58 | BluesKaj | works rather |
| 12:31.50 | blackflow | BluesKaj: overall it does, yes. |
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| 12:33.43 | blackflow | themill: in this case tho the bind9 daemon completely failed to start beacuse of a typo in the config. I understand how some daemons have master control processes that start well but "does not work" which can't be signalled back to the init. |
| 12:34.00 | blackflow | this was not the case. this was a synchronous failure. |
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| 12:35.26 | blackflow | esp. since systemctl status bind9 shows a failed state. so it was signalled, but it said nothing. ergo, systemctl is broken in Jessie, in that regard. |
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| 12:37.52 | somiaj | blackflow: this is not the place to complain about ti being 'broken', but it sounds like it is working to me |
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| 12:38.37 | somiaj | systemctl status shows you the 'failed' info and the errors, it just is quite about its errors most the time |
| 12:38.56 | themill | You'll also notice that systemctl start always returns immediately -- it does not have the information you claim it has. |
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| 12:40.59 | blackflow | why does it complain, say, when nginx fails? |
| 12:41.59 | themill | You'd need to look at what's in the service files. |
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| 12:42.24 | digidog | salute! |
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| 12:42.44 | azmodeus | salute! |
| 12:43.10 | blackflow | themill: yeah. |
| 12:43.30 | digidog | azmodeus: :) thx |
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| 12:44.43 | azmodeus | digidog, I was writing back 'cause it suonds like an "old style greetings" in italian language :D |
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| 12:45.14 | azmodeus | well... I am having an issue with the phone... do anybody know some android channel? Or do anybody have a "Wiko" mobile? |
| 12:45.37 | themill | blackflow: for instance, I expect you'll find that nginx runs a syntax check of its config prior to doing the start/stop. |
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| 12:45.55 | digidog | azmodeus: indeed. :-) that was my intension ;-) (old greeting) |
| 12:46.06 | azmodeus | digidog, are you from Italy maybe? |
| 12:46.21 | themill | digidog, azmodeus: perhaps you were looking for ##chat |
| 12:46.36 | blackflow | themill: I think the real problem is that all those services are still started by sysvinit shellscripts and until they're converted to proper systemd units, it'll be "broken" like this. |
| 12:46.59 | themill | blackflow: do you think or do you know. |
| 12:47.07 | azmodeus | themill, no not really it is that I am asking all channels in which I am =) I am a debian user, this is why I am here :P just an off theme this moment |
| 12:47.22 | blackflow | themill: knowing how systemd process control works, I _think_ this is the case here in Jessie. |
| 12:47.42 | themill | maybe it would be better to check rather than wildly (and incorrectly) speculate. |
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| 12:48.02 | themill | There's already enough misinformation about systemd and debian without making up more shit, |
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| 12:48.38 | digidog | azmodeus: no, but I have many italien friends and spent quite some time in napoli and sicilia ;-) |
| 12:49.01 | at0m|c | azmodeus, digidog #debian-offtopic or ##chat |
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| 12:49.24 | azmodeus | at0m|c, got it :) |
| 12:50.13 | digidog | themill: at0m|c some nice words are always allowed. I am on IRC since 20 years and Drupal dev ... c'mon relax ;) I didn't wanted to stretch any conversation here ;) |
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| 12:51.17 | blackflow | themill: right. it seems bind9 has a unit file and I was wrong. |
| 12:51.47 | blackflow | I'll just have to see why it works as expected in Fedora then and compare the two. |
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| 12:58.22 | blackflow | One more question, systemd-timesyncd is apparently listening on :::43345 (udp6 on all ifaces). Googling for "systemd-timesyncd 43345" does not explain that particular port number. Any ideas what that port number does (I know what timesyncd does)? Will it break time sync if I firewall it off? |
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| 12:59.42 | valdyn | blackflow: how do you know its listening? |
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| 13:00.36 | blackflow | valdyn: netstat -l shows it |
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| 13:00.55 | valdyn | blackflow: but netstat -l shows no pid |
| 13:01.36 | nebbia | hello veryone is there a way to convert a -deb archive for ubuntu/mint to debian ? |
| 13:01.37 | blackflow | valdyn: https://dpaste.de/FC2R |
| 13:01.56 | nebbia | when i'm trying to install it says : cannot install since it is missing libsane:i386 |
| 13:02.07 | nebbia | i installed libsane though |
| 13:02.13 | nebbia | but still same problem |
| 13:02.23 | digidog | nebbia: I though deb files are both? |
| 13:02.34 | digidog | debian/ubuntu |
| 13:02.44 | themill | dpkg: tell nebbia about multiarch |
| 13:03.01 | themill | nebbia: installing packages not designed for your distribution is the fastest way to make a mess. |
| 13:03.17 | digidog | true that |
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| 13:03.26 | valdyn | blackflow: not listening |
| 13:03.45 | valdyn | blackflow: you're seeing that its talking on the net, but youre not seeing that its listening |
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| 13:04.12 | valdyn | blackflow: now considering that ntp is a network time protocol, thats not surprising |
| 13:04.47 | nebbia | dpkg: tell themill that you were useless for installing the libase:i386 |
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| 13:05.02 | nebbia | dpkg got offended and doesn't reply XD |
| 13:05.08 | themill | nebbia: wtf? |
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| 13:05.25 | blackflow | valdyn: that's a listening port. "talking" on the net would show foreign addr. Also, the entry disappears if I don't -l |
| 13:05.26 | valdyn | blackflow: youre not finding something on google about this, because the port is random |
| 13:05.34 | valdyn | blackflow: its udp |
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| 13:07.37 | valdyn | blackflow: the "listen" applies to tcp only |
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| 13:08.58 | digidog | nebbia: what themill wanted to tell you is rather need multiarchitecture packages or you must preprare your system to use packages for other ditros if I am not mistaken. http://superuser.com/questions/337845/is-it-safe-to-install-ubuntu-packages-on-debian |
| 13:09.24 | digidog | but it is mostly not a good idea |
| 13:09.33 | digidog | only if you can't avoid it |
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| 13:09.36 | nebbia | themill i was just joking :) |
| 13:09.43 | nebbia | ok i got the idea |
| 13:09.44 | blackflow | valdyn: so how do you list UDP ports on which processes are listening for packets? |
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| 13:10.56 | AvatarA | netstat -lu |
| 13:10.57 | valdyn | blackflow: udp is connectionless. That means theres no difference between listening and whatever |
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| 13:11.51 | valdyn | blackflow: hence the STATE column is empty... |
| 13:11.56 | nebbia | didn't udnerstand why ubuntu/mint debian use .deb as extension for their packages... couldn't they choose another extension ? |
| 13:12.01 | blackflow | valdyn: but a process must bind to a port in order to receive packets on them. how do you list those? |
| 13:12.46 | valdyn | blackflow: -l seems good |
| 13:12.57 | blackflow | valdyn: but you just said that was not it |
| 13:13.13 | valdyn | blackflow: no, i said its not listening or not listening |
| 13:13.21 | valdyn | blackflow: its of course using that port |
| 13:13.22 | AvatarA | sudo netstat -lup if you want udp,port + process |
| 13:13.38 | digidog | nebbia: the extension is correct since the package structure is deb |
| 13:13.42 | themill | nebbia: the file format is the same. Doesn't mean that what is in the file is what you want. Just like cat.jpg and dog.jpg are both .jpg |
| 13:14.24 | d3lphi | hey all. I cannot unmount the directory /foo although there is no damn process working on it. "lsof |grep foo" is empty, as well as "fuser -mv /foo", as well as "ps aux |grep -i foo" and there is no samba-service running, no nfs-kernel-server, nothing! I ensured with "exportsfa -ua" but still I cannot unmount it. What's wrong ?! |
| 13:14.29 | blackflow | valdyn: nah. outbound ports are randomized unless raw sockets. so yet again, I wonder why is timesyncd binding to that one port that stays the same during the lifetime of the process, and what will happen if I firewalld it. But, I don't care any more. Replaced with OpenNTPd. Thanks for your help. |
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| 13:15.09 | digidog | d3lphi: whats after restart? the same? |
| 13:15.21 | valdyn | blackflow: that should permanently use a low port i guess |
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| 13:17.24 | d3lphi | digidog: I cannot restart, need the machine, it's production |
| 13:18.05 | digidog | d3lphi: that was my second question :) ok |
| 13:18.22 | blackflow | valdyn: even more weird why it binds to a high port and stays there |
| 13:18.24 | TJ- | d3lphi: any shells or processes using it as their present working directory? |
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| 13:19.07 | valdyn | blackflow: i dont think its weird that it doesnt close and reopen another port. If that makes sense or not for ntp, i cant say, but thats hardly unusual |
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| 13:20.51 | digidog | d3lphi: sry, not sure: did you already tried $ fuser -km /mnt (supposed you have mounted on /mnt dir) but this can cause data loss |
| 13:23.01 | digidog | d3lphi: the lower part -> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-forcefully-unmount-a-disk-partition.html (the upper you did already) |
| 13:23.02 | blackflow | valdyn: well, I'll block it off and see what happens, timesyncd logs every 5 minutes, I should be able to see if it broke. |
| 13:23.26 | blackflow | s/5/few |
| 13:23.37 | d3lphi | TJ-: no, there is noone logged in, already checked that. |
| 13:24.07 | d3lphi | digidog: I didn't want to risk "fuser -km /mnt" because this sends a kill signal and first I want to ensure what's goind on there to prevent any kind of data corruption |
| 13:24.30 | digidog | d3lphi: sure. thats why i warned about |
| 13:24.32 | TJ- | d3lphi: was the mount previously used by some process(es) |
| 13:24.45 | ob-sed | hmm so steam works fine in debian stable ? |
| 13:24.52 | d3lphi | digidog: I know how to force an unmount, but as said that's what I am trying to avoid. |
| 13:24.57 | ob-sed | v8.1.0 |
| 13:25.29 | digidog | d3lphi: yes. ok. I wasn'T sure how much need to force and how much you know about it. |
| 13:25.34 | d3lphi | TJ-: yes sure, the mount was used before by three services which I mentioned and already closed. I also tried "swapoff -a" just to be sure there's no other "kernel-based" process that may access this partition (although I knew it is not) |
| 13:25.45 | d3lphi | digidog: sure, np ;) |
| 13:26.12 | digidog | d3lphi: same here ;) |
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| 13:30.00 | d3lphi | I have done a small progress now ... when I run "lsof |grep sda" (instead of lsof |grep mnt) I am getting following reply ==> http://paste.debian.net/279407/ What the hell is jbd ? Some kind of journal? And why does it access my drive ? |
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| 13:30.33 | valdyn | d3lphi: its a kernel thread, the kernel thread that maintains the journal on disk |
| 13:30.43 | TJ- | d3lphi: I've seen this in the past and even though the services had been stopped there were other processes started inside the mount with it as their PWD which were all but impossible to identify using the expected tools. I think I eventually tracked thme down by looking at "ps -efly" and checking the processes that started most recently until I saw one that seemed 'suspicious' |
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| 13:37.48 | d3lphi | TJ-: can you explain in detail, please? I'm sorried, but unfortunately I didn't understand how to track this down and find the culprit |
| 13:38.05 | d3lphi | "ps -efly" didn't help much when I look at it |
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| 13:39.01 | TJ- | d3lphi: It was difficult, it's more instinct and detective work for the scenario I was faced with; not sure its the same as yours, but it is one avenue to consider. |
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| 13:39.22 | TJ- | d3lphi: did you try a lazy umount? |
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| 13:40.09 | Anoneemo | hi |
| 13:40.09 | d3lphi | but hey, I just realized that this mount is using the option barrier=1 which in my understanding is enabling the write barriers in the jbd code. Is that a hint maybe and I can safely disable this setting in fstab and after reboot it should work ? |
| 13:40.10 | Anoneemo | anybody knows how do I default GRUB to choose windows on boot? |
| 13:40.25 | Anoneemo | I remember there was a GUI thing on gnome |
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| 13:40.50 | d3lphi | according to http://www.computerhope.com/unix/umount.htm the explanation is ==> Write barriers enforce proper on-disk ordering of journal commits, making volatile disk write caches safe to use, at some performance penalty. If your disks are battery-backed in one way or another, disabling barriers may safely improve performance. The mount options "barrier" and "nobarrier" can also be used to enable or disabl |
| 13:40.56 | d3lphi | e barriers, for consistency with other ext4 mount options. |
| 13:40.59 | d3lphi | The ext4 filesystem enables write barriers by default. |
| 13:41.14 | woshty | Are there virtual gfx adapters for X I can use to video grab a whole desktop? |
| 13:41.46 | d3lphi | but I am using "defaults" on other filesystems / ext4, too and I didn't have this issue before. |
| 13:42.01 | d3lphi | so is that barrier thing really my culprit ? |
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| 13:45.21 | TJ- | d3lphi: will a 'sync" help? |
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| 13:48.30 | Folas | Hello community. My system doesn't want to install build-essential (and some other packages) and I need to work out how to fix that. http://pastebin.com/xHwSqetN |
| 13:49.09 | Siecje | I have a user with full root access. How can I run apt-get with correct permissions. |
| 13:49.24 | Folas | TJ-: Did I say that right? :D |
| 13:49.28 | cheska | Hello. What repository do most packages come from? Ex. sourceforge... |
| 13:49.37 | Anoneemo | can anyone please tell me why terminal doesn't recognize the "sudo" command |
| 13:49.44 | Anoneemo | I have to do "su" each time |
| 13:49.46 | themill | Folas: nice mix of wheezy and sid there. |
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| 13:50.04 | Folas | themill: Not sure what they are, sorry :/ |
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| 13:50.17 | Folas | themill: You don't have to explain if you don't want to if you can tell me how to fix it :/ |
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| 13:51.04 | themill | Folas: you have both wheezy (oldstable) and sid (unstable) in your sources.list That's never going to work out well |
| 13:51.24 | d3lphi | TJ-: sorry, too late. I did reboot the machine now. Just a sec ... |
| 13:51.53 | Folas | themill: If you need my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/CUJhwWNx |
| 13:52.11 | Folas | But they all say wheezy, don't they? |
| 13:52.38 | themill | did you previously have lines for "sid" in there? Do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 13:53.44 | Folas | themill: Nope, that folder is empty. I've never changed my sources.list but I should ask the other person working on the server as well... |
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| 13:54.08 | dvs | Folas: Why do you have a backup repo? |
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| 13:54.29 | Folas | dvs: It's set by the hoster, I didn't do that. |
| 13:54.32 | Folas | dvs: I'm renting it from hetzner.de |
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| 13:55.05 | nikhil_ | hi, im on a debian system and i would like to trace a request made by my browser to a python (django) development server running on localhost |
| 13:55.13 | nikhil_ | how might i go about this? |
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| 13:55.24 | nikhil_ | the dev server is just not responding |
| 13:55.45 | nikhil_ | but other dev servers running in different projects under different python venvs are fine |
| 13:56.08 | Folas | themill: Someone added a sid repository, yes... |
| 13:56.14 | dvs | educates hetzner about httpredir.debian.org |
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| 13:56.48 | Folas | dvs: Do whatever you need to do ;D They might welcome your help. |
| 13:57.12 | Folas | themill: The sid repo is removed but they probably installed the "build-essential" package from the sid repo, did I understand that right? |
| 13:57.46 | themill | Folas: some of the others listed by apt |
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| 13:58.03 | Folas | themill: Alright. Anyway... How do I fix it? x_x |
| 13:58.23 | themill | dpkg: tell Folas about not available |
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| 13:58.54 | themill | let's start by looking at how much is installed |
| 13:59.00 | Folas | Sure. |
| 13:59.09 | Folas | Whatever it needs to get this done... |
| 13:59.41 | Siecje | I was given a user on a debian 8 server and told I have full root access. I don't know the root password. How can I run an apt-get command? |
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| 14:00.24 | nikhil_ | *bump* how to trace whether a network request actually gets to a given port? |
| 14:00.39 | Folas | themill: What command do you want me to run to show you everything that's installed? :D |
| 14:00.53 | Folas | Just a simple dpkg-query -l ? |
| 14:01.02 | themill | no, what the bot told you |
| 14:01.11 | Folas | Oh, sorry :D |
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| 14:02.12 | Folas | themill: I hope that's what you wanted http://pastebin.com/Wckx2pY7 |
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| 14:03.14 | themill | ick |
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| 14:03.59 | Folas | themill: ? |
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| 14:04.00 | themill | Folas: what's the output of "apt-cache policy apt dpkg libc6"? |
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| 14:04.29 | Folas | http://pastebin.com/FDBZ0GBQ themill |
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| 14:05.14 | themill | Folas: time to back up your data and reinstall |
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| 14:05.44 | Folas | themill: GREAT! Thank you person who though using sid is good. |
| 14:05.58 | themill | not just sid but also experimental |
| 14:05.58 | dvs | and experimental |
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| 14:06.28 | Folas | It was probably to install some c compiler for steam/csgo... At least that's what the person is responsible for. |
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| 14:06.47 | Folas | themill: It has to be that, right? There is no other way this could have happened? |
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| 14:08.27 | Folas | And also to make sure I'm telling the other person this right: He added a experimental respository and downloaded packages from that which did things nobody knows? ( @themill ) |
| 14:08.48 | themill | oh, we know what it did |
| 14:08.57 | dvs | Folas: We know. It mucked up the base libraries |
| 14:09.06 | Folas | But reversing that would take more time than a reinstall? |
| 14:09.23 | digidog | Folas: yes |
| 14:09.40 | Folas | Wow... There's nothing left I could say. |
| 14:09.42 | deuteriu_ | since i upgraded to jessie, php doesn't work anymore on apache. it just renders an empty page. any idea? |
| 14:09.43 | digidog | Folas: despite of you are routined in that |
| 14:09.45 | themill | With that many packages upgraded beyond wheezy, you're not downgrading back to wheezy |
| 14:10.53 | digidog | deuterium: nothing to do with jessie |
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| 14:11.16 | deuterium | digidog: it definitely has as it's only like that since the upgrade |
| 14:11.51 | digidog | deuterium: effect and reason are two diff things |
| 14:12.25 | digidog | deuterium: you have caused it by upgrade but jessie is not responsible for it |
| 14:12.44 | digidog | deuterium: what I try to say is, don't look at jessie. look at php version etc |
| 14:12.55 | deuterium | digidog: what makes you so confident about a lacking causality? after all, jessie already messed up my regular apache config. |
| 14:13.30 | digidog | deuterium: jessie messed up what you allow to. it asks if you want to overwrite the config file of apache |
| 14:13.33 | themill | itym, "I needed to update my apache config for version 2.4" |
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| 14:13.42 | deuterium | digidog: im not a n00b |
| 14:14.03 | digidog | deuterium: I didn't thought that o.O |
| 14:14.35 | digidog | but sometimes we all are noobs in another manner when we sit in front of a problem. was not meant offending. jst try to help |
| 14:15.01 | deuterium | digidog: ok, thx |
| 14:15.50 | digidog | deuterium: di you have a config backup file of apache? |
| 14:16.12 | digidog | deuterium: what page gets not rendered. self made? cms ? |
| 14:16.21 | deuterium | digidog: i have a backup of the whole kvm vm .. i think i'll rollback to wheezy soon |
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| 14:16.44 | digidog | deuterium: have you seen my questions ? |
| 14:16.48 | digidog | ^ |
| 14:16.49 | Folas | themill: The person who installed the experimental packages says he needed them for the dedicated csgo server. I highly doubt that but what's the best thing to do, to avoid this? |
| 14:16.55 | deuterium | digidog: for now, not even a simple echo "bla" renders anything |
| 14:17.05 | deuterium | digidog: neither does a phpinfo(); |
| 14:17.10 | digidog | deuterium: ok |
| 14:18.05 | deuterium | need to increase loglevels, then debug the config and stuff for 15 min, otherwise i'll roll back |
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| 14:18.36 | themill | deuterium: what does the apache error log say? |
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| 14:19.47 | digidog | deuterium: just to come from the bottom. I use sid /+ experimental on dev stage and have no problems atm. what I want to prevent here is: exp needs mod, sure, but it is not meant for production (to the other user here). but I want to make sure that it is clear: they work. |
| 14:19.51 | deuterium | themill: not much.. sometimes sth like "AH01382: Request header read timeout", but that is not related to this http request specifically |
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| 14:20.11 | themill | deuterium: if you view source, what do you see? |
| 14:20.23 | digidog | at least they can work. depends of course |
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| 14:20.39 | deuterium | themill: the source code of the php script |
| 14:20.50 | digidog | deuterium: STRG U in browser |
| 14:20.59 | deuterium | i.e. <? echo "test" ?> |
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| 14:21.07 | themill | deuterium: so php's not being called. Is the relevant interpreter package installed? Is apache configured to use it? |
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| 14:22.09 | deuterium | php5.{load,conf} are in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 14:22.51 | digidog | deuterium: what apache version? what php version? |
| 14:23.07 | digidog | $ php5 --version |
| 14:23.10 | deuterium | but since jessie has a new layout with /var/www/html for apache2 and its own new apache2 config, i guess php5 might not be activated for that default virtualhost |
| 14:23.32 | themill | deuterium: is this php script in a user's $HOME? |
| 14:23.36 | deuterium | digidog: PHP 5.6.9-0+deb8u1, looking fine to me |
| 14:23.58 | deuterium | themill: no, i just placed it in a test.php in /var/www/html/ |
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| 14:24.34 | digidog | deuterium: deuterium: where points the vh at? |
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| 14:25.23 | deuterium | DocumentRoot /var/www/html |
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| 14:25.46 | deuterium | it's the default 000-default.conf by jessie, basically |
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| 14:25.58 | digidog | deuterium: yes. ok. just wanted to be sure |
| 14:26.22 | digidog | deuterium: can you pastebin the vh file ? |
| 14:26.27 | deuterium | i thought i wouldn't have to especially enable php in 000-default.conf if i have a2enmod php5 |
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| 14:26.58 | digidog | deuterium: of course not but maybe there is sth else in ? |
| 14:27.09 | dury | hi there channel :-)+ |
| 14:27.21 | digidog | dury: hi |
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| 14:27.48 | dury | digidog: how are you there? |
| 14:28.00 | deuterium | digidog: i didn't add anything apart from increasing the loglevel, setting ServerAdmin, ServerAlias, NameVirtualHost |
| 14:28.18 | digidog | deuterium: ok. ok. :) |
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| 14:28.45 | digidog | deuterium: dont kill me: did you restart apache already *hides* |
| 14:28.54 | dury | digidog: do you use wheezy or jessie? |
| 14:28.55 | deuterium | digidog: i'll try commenting out namevirtualhost, just for a test |
| 14:29.10 | deuterium | digidog: yes, restarted the whole vm a couple of times already |
| 14:29.14 | deuterium | digidog: also apache2 |
| 14:29.24 | digidog | deuterium: sure :) was jst for making it sure ;) |
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| 14:30.36 | dury | digidog: tried to install nvidia drivers and it crashes on jessie :-( |
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| 14:31.19 | digidog | deuterium: nvidia is a lil bit tricky but this is another issue - back to topic, maybe apache catches another config file somewhere. what happens if oyu $ httpd -v |
| 14:31.40 | {gdi} | hello. anyone here has used illumeoS |
| 14:31.43 | digidog | typo *if you type* |
| 14:32.23 | digidog | deuterium: oops, i mixed up users sorry |
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| 14:33.09 | digidog | dury: nvidia drivers is a long road to go but there are many threads out there about it. it finally will work if you put effort on it |
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| 14:33.41 | {gdi} | hello |
| 14:34.11 | digidog | dury: I run them all: wheezy, jessie, sid - all with nvidia and dual monitors but sry I can't reproduce the whole procedure I as going thru here |
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| 14:34.24 | digidog | *was* |
| 14:34.34 | dury | digidog: I've tried twice with not success |
| 14:34.59 | towo` | dury, your card is? |
| 14:35.16 | towo` | dury, how you have tryed to install the driver? |
| 14:35.44 | dury | geforce gt 650m |
| 14:35.54 | towo` | that sounds like optimus |
| 14:35.58 | digidog | deuterium: what happens if you type $ httpd -v |
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| 14:36.09 | towo` | so you have to read about bumblebee |
| 14:36.30 | dury | what's that? |
| 14:36.51 | towo` | one soulution for optimus |
| 14:36.55 | digidog | deuterium: are you 100% sure you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 14:37.04 | towo` | where is the problem to read about? |
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| 14:38.06 | dury | bumblebee what's the url for that |
| 14:38.47 | towo` | dury, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+bumblebee |
| 14:38.59 | deuterium | digidog: it says it's installed. i'm gonna deinstall and reinstall it now. |
| 14:39.10 | deuterium | httpd -v says command not found |
| 14:39.28 | deuterium | digidog: did you mean apachectl -v? |
| 14:39.50 | deuterium | Apache/2.4.10 (Debian), Server built: Mar 15 2015 09:51:43 |
| 14:40.01 | digidog | deuterium: no, but ok, last has to do with php-cli I guess. np further problem. |
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| 14:43.20 | dury | towo: GeForce GT 650M |
| 14:43.25 | digidog | deuterium: what prints aptitude out? any broken packages ? |
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| 14:43.35 | Anoneemo | hi |
| 14:43.48 | Anoneemo | so terminal was telling me sudo was missing but I installed it |
| 14:43.52 | deuterium | digidog: no broken packages |
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| 14:43.59 | digidog | deuterium: ok |
| 14:44.00 | Anoneemo | now it's telling me my user is not in the sudoers file |
| 14:44.02 | Anoneemo | wat do |
| 14:44.20 | digidog | Anoneemo: add it ;-) |
| 14:44.26 | Anoneemo | how, digidog ? |
| 14:44.35 | dvs | Anoneemo: Hmmmmm... so your user is not in the sudoers file.... hmmm... what to do... |
| 14:45.04 | Anoneemo | I opened that file with visudo |
| 14:45.10 | Anoneemo | but I don't understand the syntax |
| 14:45.17 | Anoneemo | what line am I supposed to insert? |
| 14:45.26 | valdyn | Anoneemo: nothing |
| 14:45.42 | valdyn | Anoneemo: edit /etc/sudoers.d/local instead |
| 14:46.18 | valdyn | Anoneemo: or simply add your user to the sudo group |
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| 14:48.05 | dury | bbl have to go |
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| 14:48.46 | Folas | How do I transfer files with scp from two servers which don't use port 22? I'm currently trying "scp -P xxxx <user>@<domain>:<file> <user>@<domain>:<file>" How do I set the second host port? |
| 14:49.11 | Anoneemo | thanks valdyn |
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| 14:49.50 | valdyn | Folas: ssh -P x user@server "scp -P y files user@server2:" |
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| 14:53.44 | digidog | any idea what scans my hard disks completely daily on stretch/sid ? there is not auto update process activated. :/ but I here my hard disks reading liek if I would have started a search ô.O |
| 14:53.58 | digidog | typo *hear* |
| 14:54.03 | valdyn | digidog: updatedb |
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| 14:54.06 | valdyn | digidog: trackerd |
| 14:54.26 | valdyn | digidog: see "iotop" |
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| 14:54.48 | digidog | valdyn: thank you! - let me check that ... |
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| 14:59.35 | deuterium | digidog: i'm going to purge php5, libapache2-mod-php5 and apache2 and reinstall them from scratch |
| 15:00.03 | deuterium | i.e. also recreate the configuration from scratch |
| 15:00.44 | digidog | deuterium: I think this is the smartest to do . hope it helps! |
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| 15:04.13 | deuterium | apt wants to install libapache2-mod-php5filter when purging libapache2-mod-php5 .. how crazy is that? |
| 15:04.14 | apt | deuterium: that's too long |
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| 15:18.45 | Anoneemo | hi |
| 15:18.57 | Anoneemo | I followed this guide to make Windows the default choice in GRUB http://askubuntu.com/questions/52963/how-do-i-set-windows-to-boot-as-the-default-in-the-boot-loader |
| 15:19.01 | Anoneemo | but it's not working |
| 15:19.24 | SirLagz | what is not working? |
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| 15:21.22 | deuterium | digidog: didn't help at all, same problem existed after purging and reinstalling. i now rolled back to wheezy :( |
| 15:21.31 | deuterium | digidog: thx for your help anyway |
| 15:22.17 | deuterium | next time, next attempt.. but i'm really disappointed that the upgrade path to jessie is so annoying |
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| 15:25.31 | janne1 | Can I still download wheezy DVDs from somewhere? |
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| 15:28.07 | three14 | janne1, Try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 15:30.02 | janne1 | okay, thanks. |
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| 15:35.23 | RogueYun | Anyone know anything about getting debian to boot from a USB? |
| 15:35.28 | RogueYun | I |
| 15:35.41 | RogueYun | I've been struggling to get it to work all day :( |
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| 15:36.28 | fightthewalrus | RogueYun, did you try unetbootin? |
| 15:36.31 | Anoneemo | how do I check my sound card info to get the right driver? |
| 15:36.47 | RogueYun | fightthewalrus: I have not. |
| 15:37.39 | themill | that's probably the last thing you should try |
| 15:37.49 | themill | RogueYun: what *have* you tried? |
| 15:38.01 | fightthewalrus | themill, why is that? Works fine for me in most cases |
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| 15:38.07 | jelly | fightthewalrus: unetbootin does not work well with debian's images |
| 15:38.16 | fightthewalrus | I see |
| 15:38.29 | fightthewalrus | well today I just go straight with dd |
| 15:38.52 | fightthewalrus | dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/yourusbstick and stuff |
| 15:40.01 | RogueYun | themill: I have tried pendrive linux and LiLi |
| 15:40.17 | themill | RogueYun: what are you currently running? |
| 15:40.43 | RogueYun | themill: I'm running Windows 8.1 (Yuck!) on an Asus ROG G46VW |
| 15:40.53 | themill | !win32diskimagaer |
| 15:40.57 | themill | !win32diskimager |
| 15:40.58 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 15:41.44 | fightthewalrus | themill, didn't know about that. Great to know! |
| 15:41.46 | themill | All it needs to do is to copy the image to the device. Unfortunately many of the cute GUIs that have been made for this don't actually do that. |
| 15:41.48 | RogueYun | I've tried that too actually, I think it has something to do with the boot :( |
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| 15:43.06 | RogueYun | themill: I think it has something to do with configuring the bios/uefi correctly. |
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| 15:44.19 | themill | perhaps you could tell us more |
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| 15:47.22 | RogueYun | themill: Sorry, I'm experiencing technical difficulties. |
| 15:48.12 | RogueYun | themill: I would say that I have had one success using LiLi and ubuntu, but when I tried to repeat the success with debian instead it stopped working :( |
| 15:49.18 | RogueYun | themill: Since I know it works, or should work, the only thing I can think of is the boot order is being secured somehow to prevent booting from the USB. |
| 15:49.36 | digidog | valdyn: thanks for pointing out trackerd and updatedb. finally the reasons. ;) |
| 15:49.41 | digidog | valdyn++ |
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| 16:22.06 | at0m|c | how can i have /var/cache/apt/ on nfs? the lockfile gives me trouble. |
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| 16:25.35 | zykotick9 | at0m|c: as an alternative, you may want to look into apt-cacher-ng or apt-cacher. good luck. |
| 16:26.10 | bazhang | If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » |
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| 16:26.18 | bazhang | at0m|c, ^ |
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| 16:27.48 | zykotick9 | bazhang: i think nfs might be an issue (if trying to use multiple clients) |
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| 16:28.53 | bazhang | zykotick9, good point thanks |
| 16:30.05 | aedinius | ugh. my coworker wants to put script support libraries in sbin |
| 16:30.38 | aedinius | So the script would be /usr/local/sbin/dosomething and the support files would be /usr/local/sbin/dosomething.d/* |
| 16:32.14 | jelly | aedinius: if they're architecture independent, they probably ought to go under /usr/local/share/dosomething/ |
| 16:32.26 | aedinius | jelly: That's where they are now. |
| 16:33.03 | jelly | if they're configurable/editable, they might have a place in /usr/local/etc/dosomething.d/ |
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| 16:37.39 | jelly | aedinius: alternatively, put everything in a directory under /usr/local/dosomething and put only a symlink to the executable in /usr/local/sbin |
| 16:37.48 | jelly | !stow |
| 16:37.49 | dpkg | i guess stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 16:38.53 | aedinius | jelly: That was my other recommendation. |
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| 16:41.53 | jelly | aedinius: bin/ and sbin/ directories do not have subdirs anywhere on Linux |
| 16:42.15 | aedinius | And I'm fighting to keep it that way. |
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| 16:46.48 | at0m|c | zykotick9: i'm using apt-cacher-ng. helps fetching the files only once, but doesn't save the SD/usb's from writing to. |
| 16:47.40 | at0m|c | bazhang: the lock file doesn't go well over nfs. maybe symlink to a file that's locally available? |
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| 16:51.04 | bazhang | at0m|c, I think zykotick9 had the right idea |
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| 16:56.43 | at0m|c | bazhang: apt-cacher-ng works fantastic as fetcher on the LAN, but is a proxy and eventually .deb's end up on local /var/cache/apt/archives/, as they would without |
| 16:57.11 | jelly | at0m|c: does your nfs mount use lock mount option? |
| 16:57.46 | at0m|c | jelly: nolock in fstab. make that lock? |
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| 16:58.27 | jelly | yes |
| 16:58.41 | at0m|c | thanks, will give that a go! - after dinner |
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| 18:21.56 | CryptoSiD | Hi guys, at boot im having a message saying: MPU-401 not found device not found or busy |
| 18:22.02 | CryptoSiD | even if i blacklist the module its still there |
| 18:22.09 | CryptoSiD | any idea how i could just remove the message? |
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| 18:22.34 | petn-randall | CryptoSiD: At which part of the boot process do you see this? |
| 18:23.27 | CryptoSiD | at the very begining |
| 18:23.32 | CryptoSiD | just after grub |
| 18:23.45 | petn-randall | CryptoSiD: Does it affect your system in any way? |
| 18:23.50 | CryptoSiD | nope:D |
| 18:24.14 | CryptoSiD | ho, i got it anyway:) |
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| 18:28.18 | petn-randall | CryptoSiD: Then I'd just ignore it and not bother about it any further. |
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| 18:30.04 | CryptoSiD | i just had to blacklist snd_mpu401 |
| 18:30.17 | CryptoSiD | ok i have another problem, even if ntpd is running, everytime i reboot the time/date is wrong |
| 18:30.21 | CryptoSiD | bios time is right tho |
| 18:30.35 | CryptoSiD | root@Home-Deb:~# date |
| 18:30.35 | CryptoSiD | Sun Jul 5 10:30:31 EDT 2015 |
| 18:30.41 | CryptoSiD | should be 14:30 |
| 18:30.51 | CryptoSiD | i just set it to jul 5 14:29 before rebooting |
| 18:31.19 | jelly | CryptoSiD: is this a dual-boot system, or do you only have linux on it? |
| 18:31.26 | CryptoSiD | only have linux on it |
| 18:31.31 | jelly | !utc |
| 18:31.32 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
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| 18:32.06 | jelly | CryptoSiD: then use UTC for the bios (hardware) clock and make sure the OS is configured for that |
| 18:32.40 | CryptoSiD | Ho, i switched UTC to LOCAL instead in /etc/adjtime |
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| 18:33.30 | CryptoSiD | cool thanks!! |
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| 18:37.38 | Raydiation | hi, is spf always needed for a mail server? |
| 18:37.52 | Raydiation | or only if the sender does not match up with the ip of the domain |
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| 18:41.04 | jelly | Red_M: it's only needed if you want to lessen the amount of fake mail with envelope sender from your domain |
| 18:41.09 | jelly | oops. |
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| 18:41.16 | jelly | Raydiation: it's only needed if you want to lessen the amount of fake mail with envelope sender from your domain |
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| 18:43.51 | {gdi} | anyone here used illumeos before? |
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| 18:45.28 | jelly | {gdi}: you probably want the #illumos channel |
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| 18:47.08 | zlanj | can someone convince me to choose debian or ubuntu? I really can't decide |
| 18:47.21 | travie | debian. |
| 18:47.35 | zlanj | The issue is that I |
| 18:47.46 | travie | if you're into the whole freesoftware thing, because ubuntu comes loaded with a ton of non-free software. |
| 18:47.49 | jelly | zlanj: pick one, use it for at least 3-6 months, learn how it gets upgraded and how it works |
| 18:48.04 | zlanj | I'm leaning towards Ubuntu because you don't have to log in to the root account to do admin work |
| 18:48.19 | travie | How do I change from cinnamon to xfce4? I already have xfce intalled i just don't know how to switch it |
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| 18:48.20 | jelly | zlanj: it doesn't matter which one |
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| 18:49.01 | jelly | zlanj: debian also has sudo if you prefer to use that, that's not a relevant distinction any more |
| 18:49.21 | travie | na bro just use su |
| 18:49.37 | zlanj | are there any differences in tools available or anything like that? I'm a network design/network engineer/comp sci intern and student |
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| 18:49.54 | jelly | zlanj: there are lots of tiny differences. |
| 18:50.24 | travie | In debian you can pretty much install everything that ubuntu comes with, its nice to have the option to pick what you want to install as you go though, which is why I like deb |
| 18:50.50 | zlanj | ok, thank you guys |
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| 18:51.54 | travie | guys anyone can tell me how to switch my desktop ? |
| 18:52.12 | travie | I know in other distros you can do it from the login screen but i dont see an option in debian |
| 18:52.27 | jelly | travie: switch it from what/to what? |
| 18:52.36 | Raydiation | how do i debug opendkim? |
| 18:52.41 | travie | cinnamon to xfce |
| 18:53.12 | Raydiation | im seeing dkim=temperror (no key for signature) and spf=neutral when checking the mail headers on google |
| 18:53.24 | travie | I prefer gnome 2, though. If you know how I can get that , that'd be awesome |
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| 18:54.12 | jelly | travie: which display manager service are you using (the thing responsible for the login screen)? |
| 18:54.33 | jelly | there should be a menu entry somewhere on the login screen |
| 18:54.40 | travie | I'm not sure I just did a fresh install of debian live cd with cinnamon, how would I check |
| 18:55.14 | jelly | travie: first, install xfce. Then, log off, and see if there's a place to switch to a different session type on the login screen |
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| 18:55.25 | travie | Okay brb |
| 18:55.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell travie about install xfce |
| 18:56.21 | travie | sudo apt-get install xfce4 (already did it ) |
| 18:56.59 | jelly | travie: and xfce4-goodies? |
| 18:57.07 | travie | oh true forgot about that one |
| 18:57.16 | travie | Is it still possible for me to install gnome 2, though? |
| 18:57.21 | jelly | no |
| 18:57.38 | jelly | there's MATE |
| 18:57.41 | jelly | !mate |
| 18:57.41 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 18:57.53 | travie | okay |
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| 18:58.14 | {gdi} | jelly: its illume OS 3 |
| 18:58.20 | {gdi} | not illmos |
| 18:58.35 | jelly | {gdi}: it does not sound like debian, anyway |
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| 18:58.48 | jelly | {gdi}: we can't support debian derivatives in here |
| 18:59.03 | travie | By the way, is 3GB enough for swap? |
| 18:59.14 | travie | If I have 4GB RAM |
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| 18:59.44 | jelly | travie: it's more than enough |
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| 19:00.02 | {gdi} | jelly try this --> |
| 19:00.05 | {gdi} | http://tiny.cc/illumeos |
| 19:00.17 | {gdi} | oh ok |
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| 19:00.31 | travie | Also I installed sudo, how do I configure it for my user? I try sudo and it says my user is not in the sudoers file |
| 19:00.45 | feh__ | man sudoers |
| 19:01.56 | grobda24 | travie, https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 19:08.21 | travie | grobda24: Thank you |
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| 19:09.33 | travie | anyone can tell me how to log in to my registered freenode nick? |
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| 19:11.15 | jelly | travie: the bot can tell you: /msg nickserv help identify |
| 19:11.20 | grobda24 | travie, np |
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| 19:24.33 | Travie | Thanks for the help with MATE, got it working :) |
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| 19:47.47 | feh__ | when I run apt-get upgrade I'm presented with a package to upgrade but when I run unattended-upgrade it says that there are no packages to upgrade |
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| 19:57.39 | kqr | hello! I'd like to disable the power button on my laptop. the most obvious stack exchange google hit was a bit ambiguous. does anyone happen to know how to do this? |
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| 19:58.42 | feh__ | you have to edit a systemd configuration for that kqr |
| 19:58.46 | feh__ | I forgot the file |
| 19:59.07 | kqr | ah |
| 19:59.08 | kqr | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#ACPI_events |
| 19:59.10 | kqr | those? |
| 19:59.47 | feh__ | yeah |
| 20:00.14 | feh__ | I disabled my lid behavior with that |
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| 20:03.31 | kqr | lol |
| 20:03.33 | kqr | the irony |
| 20:03.39 | kqr | to need to restart to see if it has taken effect! |
| 20:03.41 | Raydiation | ok so i deleted the snakeoil key /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem and postgres stopped working |
| 20:03.45 | Raydiation | woot :D? |
| 20:03.50 | Raydiation | is this thing really required? |
| 20:03.53 | feh__ | nah |
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| 20:04.11 | feh__ | you can reload systemd configurations |
| 20:04.27 | kqr | feh__, oh how? |
| 20:04.32 | kqr | arch wiki recommended restarting |
| 20:04.42 | feh__ | I tested with a reload |
| 20:04.49 | feh__ | maybe |
| 20:04.58 | feh__ | well it can't hurt |
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| 20:05.29 | feh__ | try this systemctl reload systemd |
| 20:05.54 | kqr | no such file or directory |
| 20:05.56 | kqr | o_O |
| 20:06.04 | feh__ | ?? |
| 20:06.25 | feh__ | try just systemctl |
| 20:06.31 | valdyn | Raydiation: create your own cert |
| 20:06.48 | kqr | feh__, Unit systemd.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 20:06.50 | kqr | feh__, more specifically |
| 20:06.53 | kqr | feh__, just systemctl works |
| 20:07.14 | feh__ | weird |
| 20:07.34 | feh__ | just reboot then |
| 20:07.35 | valdyn | kqr: systemctl daemon-reload |
| 20:08.40 | kqr | that seems to have worked |
| 20:08.42 | kqr | cheers |
| 20:09.25 | kqr | well |
| 20:09.27 | kqr | in a loose sense of the word |
| 20:09.33 | kqr | the power button still just turns off the computer |
| 20:11.18 | kqr | ah |
| 20:11.21 | kqr | now it doesn't anymore |
| 20:11.33 | kqr | so maybe I just failed at reloading |
| 20:11.40 | feh__ | lame |
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| 20:17.29 | mintx_ | How can I get transparent terminal windows in Debian? |
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| 20:19.46 | somiaj | totallynotthensa: aterm offers sudo transparent terminals, I think gnomes term does to. Or you can look into setting the Compositer |
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| 20:20.51 | totallynotthensa | I don't use gnome :/ |
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| 20:23.57 | totallynotthensa | okay nevermind I got it working with the xfce term |
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| 20:34.58 | alfiepates | that was... interesting |
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| 20:37.12 | at0m|c | jelly: lock mount trick fixed the nfs apt lockfile. thanks! |
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| 20:39.40 | mcordingley | I'm trying to set up a home wired/wireless router. It seems as if I want to bridge my two LAN NICs (eth1 and wlan0), but the Internet is telling me conflicting things about bridging my wireless adapter. Is this possible/desirable? |
| 20:40.18 | at0m|c | what conflicting things? where did you get stuck? |
| 20:40.47 | mcordingley | Some sites say that it's not possible to bridge with a wireless adapter and others say that it's fine. |
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| 20:42.46 | at0m|c | mcordingley: hostapd for the wifi, then bridge in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:43.15 | at0m|c | if wifi is an acces point to the LAN |
| 20:43.23 | mcordingley | at0m: That's the plan. |
| 20:43.43 | mcordingley | Thanks! |
| 20:43.49 | mcordingley | May have more questions as I go. ;) |
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| 20:50.50 | valdyn | mcordingley: you need a bridge to create an ap that is not a router, otherwise you can just aswell not use a bridge |
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| 20:52.27 | Komanda | i'm looking for something what a noob like me would describe as a "multilayer files" basically the same data accesable by multiple programs/users but changes to it it shouldnt affect other programs/users they should still see the base file |
| 20:52.31 | Komanda | does anyone know what that is called? |
| 20:53.09 | Komanda | think its done @ filesystem level |
| 20:53.26 | allizom | Komanda: Copy on write maybe? |
| 20:53.38 | valdyn | Komanda: what if one of those programs dies? |
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| 20:54.18 | Komanda | valdyn: it's changes would still be saved |
| 20:54.25 | Komanda | basically think of version control |
| 20:54.31 | Komanda | how you can fork things |
| 20:54.35 | Komanda | this is the same |
| 20:54.45 | Komanda | but for files on filesystem level |
| 20:54.47 | valdyn | Komanda: what you want is a new snapshot per user |
| 20:55.08 | valdyn | Komanda: thats the only solution that comes close i think |
| 20:55.29 | Komanda | valdyn: what are the things that don't come close? |
| 20:55.40 | valdyn | Komanda: copying the files |
| 20:55.43 | Komanda | lets say the program dies & the data is allowed to dissapear |
| 20:55.54 | Komanda | like a ram only overlay |
| 20:56.00 | Komanda | or something |
| 20:56.24 | valdyn | Komanda: use btrfs or zfs, use snapshots |
| 20:56.26 | Komanda | i'm just looking for the name of a piece of software in this category |
| 20:57.19 | valdyn | Komanda: at least if you need the snapshot creation to be fast ( and use no space ) |
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| 20:59.33 | valdyn | Komanda: google just lists read-only snapshots for zfs at a first glance, i dont really know if it can do fast rw snapshots. I think it can. I know that btrfs can. |
| 20:59.46 | Komanda | valdyn: thanks <3 |
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| 21:02.00 | shay_shay | btrfs ftw |
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| 21:08.46 | hhmmm | hi, in debian stretch at boot i see, a start job is running for ifup for eth0 (1 min ... |
| 21:09.35 | hhmmm | i assume because i had a power failure with ethernet plugged in, but i don't normally use it, how can i disable the wait? |
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| 21:10.31 | jhutchins | hhmmm: How did you configure eth0? |
| 21:12.56 | petn-randall | mcordingley: I have a running setup, where wifi + LAN NIC are bridged, and a 3rd interface pointing to the internet. I can share my config if you're willing to wait a bit. |
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| 21:14.39 | hhmmm | jhutchins, i think it just worked when i plugged it in, can't see eth0 in my history |
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| 21:15.34 | jhutchins | hhmmm: I presume you're on jessie? |
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| 21:15.46 | hhmmm | err, no stretch |
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| 21:16.34 | hhmmm | should i go to oftc? i thought there might be a simple systemctl answer |
| 21:16.44 | invlpg[1] | for unattended-upgrades, im getting "Cache has broken packages, exiting". how can i fix that? (and also, why is that?) |
| 21:16.45 | jhutchins | hhmmm: https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/664-Switching_to_systemd-networkd |
| 21:17.00 | jhutchins | hhmmm: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd |
| 21:17.39 | hhmmm | ty ;) |
| 21:17.44 | jhutchins | hhmmm: It appears that editing /etc/systemd/network/eth.network may be involved. |
| 21:19.06 | invlpg[1] | When I'm running unattended-upgrades (running it manually because I noticed it tried to run it on poweroff in order to update) I get: "Cache has broken packages, exiting". How can I fix that? |
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| 21:25.09 | jhutchins | invlpg[1]: No need to repeat so often. aptitude/apt-get clean |
| 21:25.45 | invlpg[1] | what would that do? will it resolve broken packages? |
| 21:26.08 | jhutchins | invlpg[1]: It should remove broken packages from the cache. |
| 21:26.26 | jhutchins | invlpg[1]: (You can find that by googling your error message.) |
| 21:26.31 | invlpg[1] | thanks |
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| 21:30.51 | n3ss | anyone ever see debian/anything drop it's static IP and pick up something from DHCP |
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| 21:41.43 | telmac | is there anyone awake who knows about chromebooks |
| 21:42.06 | telmac | and please don't like the first result on google because I'm having a specific problem and I've read a lot of documentation already |
| 21:42.18 | alfiepates | telmac: i'm damn good with google and documentation, what do you want to kn-- oh |
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| 21:42.40 | telmac | if you want to do more searching for me feel free |
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| 21:44.28 | telmac | 1. I'm in dev mode 2. I've enabled usb booting 3. I'm certain that my usb installation thing is prepared correctly 4. I've enabled flashing the bios, this is not immediatley relevant but if you find something which describes this I've already done it |
| 21:45.38 | telmac | I'm running a lenovo x131e, when I try to boot to usb by typing C-u while the dev mode message is displayed, the scren flashes black and back to the dev mode message for ~10 seconds then continues to boot as normal |
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| 21:47.23 | BluesKaj_ | telmac, why not set the boot sequence in the uefi/bios to enable usb and boot usb first ? |
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| 21:47.57 | telmac | BluesKaj_: it's a chromebook and it's not allowed |
| 21:48.07 | BluesKaj_ | oh, bummer |
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| 21:48.35 | telmac | it is possible to flash the bios (requires flipping a hardware switch on the mobo, which I did) with coreboot, I haven't done that yet |
| 21:49.07 | telmac | according to all of the docs I've read what I'm doing should allow me to boot from usb and then replace chromeos |
| 21:50.20 | BluesKaj_ | ok , understood |
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| 21:55.50 | GJdan | Is debian 8 still using /etc/network/interfaces for network config? |
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| 21:55.55 | GJdan | it looks empty so I'm assuming not |
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| 21:59.06 | black | GJdan: it does if you dont use a network manager |
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| 22:02.22 | GJdan | ah I see it did work afterall |
| 22:02.23 | GJdan | thanks |
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| 22:18.23 | Lady_Aleena | Why is it when I reboot, the volume is reset to 100%? Do I have to remember to turn down the volume every time I reboot these days? |
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| 22:21.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: It should store the state if you shutdown properly. Do you use puselaudio or just alsa? |
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| 22:21.38 | at0m|c | Lady_Aleena: set controls for the heart of the sun. then as root 'alsactl store'. |
| 22:21.41 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, how do I find out? I haven't played with sound settings since I installed jessie. |
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| 22:22.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: 'ps fax | grep pulse' you will see it running if you are using it. |
| 22:23.06 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/279457/ |
| 22:23.36 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you are using pulseaudio, it should restore. But I'm unsure how to best debug why it isn't. |
| 22:24.02 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I thought I read somewhere pulseaudio was being removed from Debian. |
| 22:24.14 | somiaj | I haven't heard that since most modern desktops use it. |
| 22:24.51 | Lady_Aleena | I must have misread then. |
| 22:25.25 | somiaj | anyways I am unsure why it is not restoring your volumes. What are you using to adjust your volume? Some desktop applet I would imangine? |
| 22:25.56 | Lady_Aleena | The volume control on my keyboard, which I assume is connected to pulseaudio, but I could be wrong. |
| 22:26.06 | somiaj | yea some desktop thing. |
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| 22:27.20 | telmac | BluesKaj_: okay update: I flashed the bios, the debian installer is running |
| 22:27.27 | mrrhq | Sometimes I feel like alsamixer alsu unmutes my speakers randomly. Or it could just be me. |
| 22:27.32 | telmac | I need a particular nonfree driver, this doesn't particularly bother me |
| 22:27.42 | telmac | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek this is the package |
| 22:27.46 | somiaj | Anyways my only suggestion (besides googling) is to maybe try the program pavucontrol and see if there are any settings that could be relveent. |
| 22:27.49 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ^^ |
| 22:27.53 | Lady_Aleena | Before I rebooted, my volume went to 100% without me being at the keyboard. |
| 22:27.58 | telmac | it looks like even ethernet won't work until I have this installed |
| 22:28.01 | telmac | is that correct? |
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| 22:28.06 | somiaj | mrrhq: well if you are using pulseaudio alsamixer could have some itnersting results. |
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| 22:29.43 | BluesKaj_ | telmac, yes, seems so |
| 22:30.17 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks somiaj. |
| 22:30.26 | telmac | BluesKaj_: but once I'm up and running, even if without internet, I should be able to get the driver onto a flash drive |
| 22:30.31 | telmac | and then install it |
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| 22:31.11 | Lady_Aleena | Now if I could only get KMail to stop crashing when I try to get to the appearance settings when I try to configure KMail. |
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| 22:32.03 | telmac | BluesKaj_: lol so it turns out that the wireless works with whatever free driver |
| 22:32.09 | telmac | and I'm connected and it's fine |
| 22:32.10 | BluesKaj_ | telmac, yes most likely |
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| 22:32.26 | BluesKaj_ | cool, telmac |
| 22:32.41 | telmac | in the past wireless drivers on linux have been murder |
| 22:32.50 | telmac | but in this case it's /ethernet/ that needs nonfree drivers |
| 22:34.45 | shay_shay | get a intel based usb nic |
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| 22:37.01 | BluesKaj_ | telmac, that's unusual ,but it does happen with debian more than other debian based OSs like kubuntu |
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| 22:54.03 | telmac | in the basic installer, "debian desktop environment" installs gnome, correct? |
| 22:54.37 | ultragamecard | yes |
| 22:57.39 | shay_shay | telmac: only if you select gnome after it |
| 22:57.47 | telmac | and if you select nothing? |
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| 22:58.05 | telmac | do you get x with no wm? |
| 22:58.06 | dvs | shay_shay: No, "Desktop Environment" is automatically selected. |
| 22:58.21 | shay_shay | dvs: yes and so is gnome underneath it |
| 22:58.32 | telmac | actually, in this case it wasn't |
| 22:58.51 | shay_shay | telmac: but if you dont select anything underneath it gnome will get installed by default |
| 22:58.54 | telmac | debian desktop environment was automatically selected but the wm/de's listed under it weren't |
| 22:58.57 | telmac | including gnome |
| 22:59.04 | telmac | okay, so what dvs said then |
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| 22:59.37 | shay_shay | no, dvs said desktop enviroment is automatically selected, but I didnt explicitly say that it wasnt |
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| 23:00.14 | telmac | anyway, if none are selected gnome is installed, yes? |
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| 23:01.15 | shay_shay | if none of the named desktops are selected, and "debian desktop enviroment" IS selected, you will get GNOME |
| 23:01.54 | shay_shay | I've never tried it but |
| 23:02.18 | telmac | because when I install debian I usually disable this, then install x manually later |
| 23:02.59 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/task-desktop i think it installs |
| 23:03.40 | shay_shay | rec: task-gnome-desktop OR task-xfce-desktop, etc |
| 23:04.14 | shay_shay | so if you told it to manually install task-xfce-desktop then that dependency would be satisfied and it wouldnt install gnome |
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| 23:04.37 | shay_shay | thats what the tasksel screen doesn i think |
| 23:05.11 | telmac | hmm |
| 23:06.09 | woshty | If I want to run an XServer purely for grabbing an window with ffmpeg and streaming it over the network - is there something like an virtual gfx for that? |
| 23:06.32 | Lady_Aleena | Who would I tell about a bug in KMail? KDE or Debian or both? |
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| 23:06.58 | shay_shay | Lady_Aleena: make a bug report |
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| 23:07.40 | somiaj | woshty: why do you need to run an xserver for that. Both methods I know of can be very slow for video, but that is ssh tunnell or vnc |
| 23:07.48 | Lady_Aleena | shay_shay, okay, I'll search the debian site for a form. |
| 23:07.52 | somiaj | woshty: spice is supose to be a bit better, but any reason why you can't just run a mediaserver? |
| 23:08.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: use the package reportbug |
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| 23:09.07 | Lady_Aleena | Oh guh. |
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| 23:09.39 | Lady_Aleena | No bugzilla type site? |
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| 23:09.48 | shay_shay | !tell Lady_Aleena about bts |
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| 23:09.56 | woshty | somiaj: I thought about that, I hoped to be able to use a regular powered pc so I can use regular software, and just have a little lag. |
| 23:11.25 | Lady_Aleena | Is reportbug a gui? |
| 23:11.48 | woshty | somiaj: what I want to do is basically miracast without the miracast and instead with a rpi or sth able to hardwaredecode video connected to a tv |
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| 23:12.15 | somiaj | woshty: maybe look into spice |
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| 23:13.20 | woshty | somiaj: I use that for kmv admin stuff, never thought of that, will take a look. So there is no "dummy" video device in xorg? |
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| 23:13.26 | ultragamecard_ | hello |
| 23:13.27 | shay_shay | Lady_Aleena: bugs are submitted via email. reportbug just formats the report and sends an email using your MTA |
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| 23:13.40 | braunr | hello |
| 23:13.41 | Lady_Aleena | What is "Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send mail to the Internet? [y|N|q|?]?" |
| 23:13.44 | somiaj | woshty: either port it over an ssh tunnel or set up a vnc or spice server |
| 23:13.57 | braunr | how can i make jessie check quotas at boot time, before mounting rw ? |
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| 23:18.45 | Lady_Aleena | I'll just answer no, since I don't know. |
| 23:19.38 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, just ctrl-c to get out of this since I have no idea what my SMTP host is? |
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| 23:20.24 | Lady_Aleena | So much for reporting bugs. It would be so much easier to use a browser-based interface. |
| 23:22.05 | Lady_Aleena | And why does Debian think my email address is <my first name>@<the room I'm in>.<hubby's last name>? |
| 23:22.47 | Lady_Aleena | My email address has nothing to do with the set up of this computer. |
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| 23:23.53 | braunr | Lady_Aleena: basically, the tool sends mail, and needs a tool to send those |
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| 23:25.25 | shay_shay | Lady_Aleena: thats the address to the computer you are on. your-username@fully-qualified-domain-name ... you should reconfigure exim4 with settings that will make it send mail through your actual email provider |
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| 23:25.38 | Lady_Aleena | braunr, I'll just post on the forums. |
| 23:25.41 | shay_shay | i use gmail, and i did this: https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 23:26.44 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please, I have somerthing in my eye so can't read, sorry for any bad typos. |
| 23:27.56 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have gmail. |
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| 23:29.08 | asterismo | can somebody explain to me why CMus stopped working in my debian system? |
| 23:29.11 | Lady_Aleena | still dealing with her eye. |
| 23:29.20 | asterismo | menor a 3.500 K |
| 23:29.26 | asterismo | getnodeadd: Can not open /etc/decnet.conf |
| 23:29.33 | asterismo | sorry, wrong paste |
| 23:29.44 | asterismo | this error: getnodeadd: Can not open /etc/decnet.conf |
| 23:29.56 | asterismo | after excecuting cmus in terminal |
| 23:30.00 | asterismo | wierd |
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| 23:53.43 | starter | hi, i can not install debian :( error:grub installation failed |
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| 23:55.02 | starter | no one can help me? |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | how did you prepare the installation media? anything different about your setup? |
| 23:55.41 | Lady_Aleena | starter, be patient. I don't know how to solve your problem, but give the others time. Sit back and relax. |
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| 23:57.21 | r6ku | starter: did you remember to install grub to /dev/sda? |
| 23:57.41 | starter | i prepare debian live usb with lili and unetbootin |
| 23:57.47 | telmac | hmm, so I tried to connect to a wireless network as per the second option on http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92799/connecting-to-wifi-network-through-command-line |
| 23:57.58 | telmac | and it prints the following error: |
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| 23:58.17 | telmac | Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : |
| 23:58.30 | telmac | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 23:58.47 | somiaj | telmac: so you mean by the option that is everything by command line (not using the interfaces file)? |
| 23:58.50 | telmac | I cannot use ethernet as the ethernet requires nonfree drivers which I can't connect to the repo etc. |
| 23:58.50 | starter | r6ku how i shoud install grub? |
| 23:58.54 | somiaj | telmac: what is the exact command you typed to get that error |
| 23:58.56 | abrotman | starter: unetbootin rarely works |
| 23:59.01 | r6ku | starter: at the end of the installation process you get asked which location you want to install grub at, you should install it to your primary harddrive at /dev/sda |
| 23:59.15 | telmac | iwconfig wlan0 essid mynetwork key s:mypassword |
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| 23:59.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell starter about win32diskimager |
| 23:59.29 | telmac | and I'm certain the ssid and password and correct |
| 23:59.31 | somiaj | telmac: and you say that you do not have the corresponding non-free firwmare for your wireless card installed? |
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| 23:59.43 | telmac | I have it for the wireless card, not for the ethernet |
| 23:59.54 | telmac | when I installed debian, it grabbed the packages from wifi |
| 23:59.58 | telmac | through, rather |
