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| 00:05.22 | FelixFire619 | When manually configuring a network connection, what is the Name Server? |
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| 00:09.42 | rndm | FelixFire619: it's the server that turns www.google.com into an ip address |
| 00:10.15 | rndm | FelixFire619: is this a home network? usually your computer gets that from your router which gets it from your cable company |
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| 00:10.33 | FelixFire619 | thats what i was thinking just wanted to make sure, |
| 00:10.47 | FelixFire619 | rndm no im moving from cpanel to hand managed servers |
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| 00:11.08 | FelixFire619 | i know alot but this is a production setup and i want to make sure i do things properly ;) |
| 00:11.13 | FelixFire619 | wasnt positive had to ask |
| 00:11.44 | rndm | FelixFire619: ah, then ask your datacenter staff what their local dns ip is. or use 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 if you don't trust 'em |
| 00:11.49 | FelixFire619 | Should a DNS Server (a name server for ns1. domain setups) use its self as primary resolver? |
| 00:11.50 | rndm | (not that you should trust google) |
| 00:12.03 | FelixFire619 | shouldnt trust google? |
| 00:12.07 | FelixFire619 | i useally use google dns |
| 00:12.46 | rndm | i just meant that i'm not endorsing them as safe |
| 00:13.08 | rndm | they could be. |
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| 00:13.27 | FelixFire619 | oh ok |
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| 01:52.09 | IRONMAN | WHAT GOES ON IN HERE? |
| 01:52.19 | dvs | nuthin' |
| 01:52.25 | bazhang | IRONMAN, debian support only |
| 01:52.29 | IRONMAN | how come? |
| 01:52.44 | dvs | No one currently has Debian problems |
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| 01:52.52 | IRONMAN | what is "debian" support? |
| 01:52.53 | bazhang | there's a offtopic chat channel IRONMAN |
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| 01:53.17 | bazhang | IRONMAN, debian is a linux OS for your computer |
| 01:53.32 | IRONMAN | I've traveled millions of miles to get back on Mirc |
| 01:53.34 | IRONMAN | ... |
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| 01:53.49 | bazhang | try #mirc |
| 01:54.06 | IRONMAN | maybe... |
| 01:54.13 | bazhang | thats the place |
| 01:54.18 | IRONMAN | what do you people do on here? |
| 01:54.29 | bazhang | we said that already |
| 01:54.35 | bazhang | scroll up |
| 01:54.39 | IRONMAN | then what's the point? |
| 01:55.03 | bazhang | IRONMAN, did you have an actual debian support issue |
| 01:55.37 | IRONMAN | Yeah, I don't know what it is. I was asking about it... |
| 01:55.52 | IRONMAN | Is there a problem with questions? |
| 01:55.52 | dvs | !debian |
| 01:55.52 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:56.25 | IRONMAN | What is a good room to go to that people talk? |
| 01:56.52 | IRONMAN | is this a chat room? |
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| 01:57.14 | IRONMAN | what the hell goes on in here? |
| 01:57.17 | bazhang | nopr |
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| 01:57.27 | IRONMAN | any hot women? |
| 01:57.41 | bazhang | dont bother |
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| 01:57.45 | IRONMAN | ;) |
| 01:58.02 | IRONMAN | i can't figure this out... |
| 01:58.10 | IRONMAN | you come on chat to do... what? |
| 01:58.16 | bazhang | lets ask the ops for help IRONMAN |
| 01:58.23 | dvs | yup |
| 01:58.24 | IRONMAN | you ask them |
| 01:58.30 | bazhang | I just did |
| 01:58.38 | IRONMAN | i'm asking the people in here |
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| 01:58.44 | IRONMAN | if there ARE any.. |
| 01:58.56 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.08 | IRONMAN | you peeps listen to music? |
| 01:59.10 | bazhang | use that to search for chit chat channel IRONMAN |
| 01:59.16 | Psil0Cybin | Hey guys can someone help me i did apt-get install firmware-realtek, but i am trying to use another Realtek USB adapter and it will not connect/work [Bus 002 Device 005: ID 07d1:3300 D-Link System DWA-130 802.11n Wireless N Adapter(rev.E) [Realtek RTL8191SU]] |
| 01:59.23 | IRONMAN | CREED, perhaps..? |
| 01:59.25 | Psil0Cybin | it shows up in the system but it does not have firmware for it to work |
| 01:59.31 | Psil0Cybin | if someone perhaps has a few minutes to help me out |
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| 01:59.48 | IRONMAN | i wish i could, pal... |
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| 01:59.53 | bazhang | ,v firmware-realtek |
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| 01:59.54 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44; stretch/non-free: 0.44 |
| 01:59.57 | dvs | ,pciid 07d1:3300 |
| 01:59.58 | judd | [07d1:3300] is 'Unknown device' from 'D-Link System Inc' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=07d1:3300 |
| 01:59.59 | IRONMAN | new man around here.. |
| 02:00.04 | IRONMAN | brb.. |
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| 02:00.18 | IRONMAN | gotta drain the gila... |
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| 02:00.28 | dvs | ,usbid 07d1:3300 |
| 02:00.49 | bazhang | thats a nice bot feature |
| 02:01.37 | IRONMAN | are there any hot women in this room? |
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| 02:01.50 | IRONMAN | i could use a chat... |
| 02:02.02 | Psil0Cybin | so if i am not mistaken I cannot get that USB Dongle to work? |
| 02:02.11 | Psil0Cybin | I am just confused with the information that was provided :) |
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| 02:02.15 | IRONMAN | are you all robots? |
| 02:02.30 | Psil0Cybin | IRONMAN, help me with my realtek usb dongle issue |
| 02:02.33 | Psil0Cybin | and ill find you a woman |
| 02:02.41 | Psil0Cybin | she might be hairy but ...... what ever floats ur boat. |
| 02:02.49 | IRONMAN | both are impossible... |
| 02:03.00 | IRONMAN | number one... |
| 02:03.09 | IRONMAN | i don't know what the fuck you are talking about... |
| 02:03.18 | IRONMAN | and number two, I can find my own.. |
| 02:03.24 | IRONMAN | thanks, anyway |
| 02:03.29 | IRONMAN | : ) |
| 02:03.34 | Psil0Cybin | alright now lets get down to beezness |
| 02:03.38 | Psil0Cybin | with this Bus 002 Device 005: ID 07d1:3300 D-Link System DWA-130 802.11n Wireless N Adapter(rev.E) [Realtek RTL8191SU] issue |
| 02:03.41 | IRONMAN | let's do |
| 02:04.06 | IRONMAN | or not |
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| 02:04.33 | IRONMAN | are there any rooms around here with real women in them? |
| 02:04.48 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 02:05.04 | IRONMAN | speak English |
| 02:05.30 | IRONMAN | Any of you peeps ever listen to CREED? |
| 02:05.47 | Psil0Cybin | the problem is i have trried to install firmware-realtek |
| 02:05.56 | IRONMAN | bust the dust off yer asses... |
| 02:05.59 | Psil0Cybin | are you suggesting i do the RTL8192U-based devices only: firmware manually. |
| 02:06.03 | Psil0Cybin | dvs, ? |
| 02:06.11 | IRONMAN | jesus h. christ |
| 02:06.22 | IRONMAN | bots |
| 02:06.36 | IRONMAN | you've been nice |
| 02:06.53 | dvs | Psil0Cybin: That page has the "official" instruction on how to get your chipset working |
| 02:06.55 | IRONMAN | at least by not kicking me |
| 02:07.08 | IRONMAN | thanks for that! |
| 02:07.17 | IRONMAN | bows out |
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| 02:07.48 | R0ckET | hi |
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| 02:08.44 | Psil0Cybin | thank you dvs trying it now |
| 02:08.54 | Psil0Cybin | just restarting |
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| 02:10.37 | Psil0Cybin | dvs, i have attempted those instructions but still am unable to plug my usb adapter in and have it work |
| 02:10.45 | Psil0Cybin | it does not light up on this computer, but moving it over to another computer it does |
| 02:10.58 | Psil0Cybin | i have followed RTL8192U-based devices only: firmware is required to be manually supplied: step by step |
| 02:11.04 | Psil0Cybin | as firmware-reaktek did not work |
| 02:11.37 | Psil0Cybin | now it works |
| 02:11.44 | Psil0Cybin | when i stick it in the back of the computer, different usb port |
| 02:11.44 | Psil0Cybin | thanks |
| 02:12.04 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:20.30 | Tau | whats a good gui program for compressed files? |
| 02:20.39 | Tau | something that supports tar, zip, tar.gz etc? |
| 02:20.47 | Tau | and the interface is simple? |
| 02:20.50 | bazhang | why gui |
| 02:21.24 | bazhang | ,v file-roller |
| 02:21.25 | judd | Package: file-roller on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-2; wheezy: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; sid: 3.16.3-1; stretch: 3.16.3-1 |
| 02:21.50 | bazhang | ,v unp |
| 02:21.52 | judd | Package: unp on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0~pre4; jessie: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; stretch: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; wheezy: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; sid: 2.0~pre7+nmu1 |
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| 02:35.52 | yzak | It's possible resize a encrypted partition after instalation? |
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| 03:39.01 | Tau | hi. |
| 03:39.21 | Tau | i need some debian guru. |
| 03:39.26 | Tau | to make some questions. |
| 03:41.11 | ojaito1 | Hi everyone. Under Debian Jessie, I'm finding that my workstation can go into suspend (using pm-suspend, systemctl suspend) reliably only once. After coming back from suspension, the system does not power down when trying to suspend a second time. This is highly reproducible: as if something held over from the previous suspension is affecting/blocking the second one. Has anyone encountered this or have |
| 03:41.13 | ojaito1 | suggestions? Thanks. |
| 03:41.55 | ojaito1 | (Tau: just ask your question(s), like I just did) |
| 03:42.00 | k_sze[work] | How do I check if a device is doing USB 3.0 from the command line? |
| 03:42.42 | k_sze[work] | My computer has USB 3.0 ports and I plugged a USB 3.0 external RAID to one of them. |
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| 03:43.56 | phix | Tau: You want me to make a question? |
| 03:44.07 | k_sze[work] | I want a sanity check that it is indeed doing USB 3.0 instead of downgraded to USB 2.0 (maybe due to a bad cable) |
| 03:44.08 | phix | Tau: ok, how do I install a .deb file? |
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| 03:47.45 | bwmaker | Has anyone encountered a screen that's shift 1/3 of the way to the right using a live USB with ATI graphics? I imagine it's a driver issue, but not sure how I can install it that way. |
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| 03:49.06 | phix | ojaito1: sounds like a BIOS / firmware bug to me, try and update your BIOS / firmware |
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| 03:50.06 | BuzzardBuzz | bwmaker: i have seen that with an old ati video card a long time ago |
| 03:50.36 | Namidairo | slaps Wally around a bit with a large idle time |
| 03:50.51 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: That's what I have, I'm afraid. from 2009. |
| 03:51.25 | BuzzardBuzz | The bummer was there was no fix for it either |
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| 03:52.04 | Wally | WOW Namidairo |
| 03:52.05 | BuzzardBuzz | other than use a plain jane vga driver instead |
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| 03:52.26 | BuzzardBuzz | and then no accelleration either |
| 03:52.51 | ojaito1 | phix: thanks -- that's a great suggestion that I haven't tried. |
| 03:53.24 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: :-/ So, I tried Mint Debian Edition and it was fine. So there's some tweak that the Mint team does, but I just wanted pure Debian Mate. |
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| 03:53.54 | BuzzardBuzz | well then hopefully you can find a resolution that you like |
| 03:54.21 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: I hope so. Thanks for the enlightenment on older ATIs. |
| 03:54.34 | BuzzardBuzz | i ended up changing out the card with one from nvidia to get mine to work |
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| 03:55.42 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: Is it typical to have better luck with NVidia? |
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| 03:56.33 | BuzzardBuzz | well with cheaper cards your bound to have issues, both companies have cheap and not so cheap cards |
| 03:57.44 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: Right. Looking to build a new machine this year. I've read mostly good things about the NVidia GT 750 series. |
| 03:57.46 | BuzzardBuzz | its more dependent on value spent on the card when it was made |
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| 03:58.44 | BuzzardBuzz | if you want better gaming performance get the 760 or 770 |
| 03:59.00 | BuzzardBuzz | but you will spend aliitle more for the boost |
| 03:59.37 | BuzzardBuzz | i have a 560 in this rig |
| 04:00.09 | BuzzardBuzz | and looking to upgrade it to the 760 or better |
| 04:00.47 | BuzzardBuzz | if you dont need the boost then dont waste your money |
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| 04:01.25 | bwmaker | I do little gaming. Just something to offload video from the processor, although I've also considered the 960. The price difference is not really an issue, but determining whether I need it or not... Although, the 960 would have more longevity. |
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| 04:01.55 | BuzzardBuzz | true |
| 04:02.03 | bwmaker | Considering I keep my PCs for years, I feel I should probably invest a little more this time around. |
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| 04:03.20 | bwmaker | Currently: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS780 [Radeon HD 3200] [1002:9610] |
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| 04:03.38 | bwmaker | Terrible, old on-board ATI. |
| 04:03.51 | BuzzardBuzz | i keep them too and build new ones, the old ones get parted out for repairs mostly |
| 04:04.04 | BuzzardBuzz | for other people |
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| 04:05.00 | BuzzardBuzz | right now i have about 6 working xp class doorstops that are fully working |
| 04:05.12 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: :) |
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| 04:05.54 | bwmaker | This one works fine. Just not as snappy as my wife's Macbook w/ an i7 or my work XPS 13. Getting a little envious. |
| 04:06.29 | bwmaker | I'd like to build a new one and relegate this machine as to server/backup duty. |
| 04:06.44 | BuzzardBuzz | yes you need to get greater than 4GHz 8 core machine with ssd |
| 04:07.06 | BuzzardBuzz | then you can feel the snap |
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| 04:08.52 | bwmaker | Definitely an SSD. Got my eye on the 4790k i7. It will do plenty for me. |
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| 04:09.20 | phix | SSD <3 |
| 04:10.10 | Sevalecan | HDD <3 |
| 04:10.33 | phix | s/HDD/SSD/ |
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| 04:11.01 | Sevalecan | cannot be swayed by regular expressions |
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| 04:11.29 | phix | hehe |
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| 04:13.47 | bwmaker | BuzzardBuzz: Good talking to you. Going to reboot and tinker with this live USB. |
| 04:13.59 | BuzzardBuzz | have fun :) |
| 04:14.58 | bwmaker | o/ |
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| 04:51.27 | Toad_Bieber | Shes old enough |
| 04:51.28 | Toad_Bieber | She knows enough |
| 04:51.30 | Toad_Bieber | Shes thrown up |
| 04:51.31 | Toad_Bieber | So throw her |
| 04:51.33 | Toad_Bieber | Out to me |
| 04:51.34 | Toad_Bieber | And I'll treat her like she was mine |
| 04:51.36 | Toad_Bieber | Not my belief |
| 04:51.37 | Toad_Bieber | You got your way and I'll get mine |
| 04:51.40 | Toad_Bieber | And I can't eat |
| 04:51.42 | Toad_Bieber | I can't sleep |
| 04:51.43 | Toad_Bieber | Oh, But Thank you for coming |
| 04:51.45 | Toad_Bieber | And why do we always laugh |
| 04:51.46 | Toad_Bieber | While we're in this discussion |
| 04:51.49 | Toad_Bieber | Should have known enough |
| 04:51.51 | Toad_Bieber | Never grown enough |
| 04:51.52 | Toad_Bieber | Alone enough |
| 04:51.54 | Toad_Bieber | To know my |
| 04:51.57 | Toad_Bieber | Way will be |
| 04:51.58 | Toad_Bieber | The path I wanted to try |
| 04:52.00 | Toad_Bieber | If it fairs to be |
| 04:52.01 | Toad_Bieber | Good for me than I'd rather die |
| 04:52.04 | Toad_Bieber | And I can't eat |
| 04:52.06 | Toad_Bieber | I can't sleep |
| 04:52.07 | Toad_Bieber | Oh, But Thank you for coming |
| 04:52.09 | Toad_Bieber | And why do we always laugh |
| 04:52.10 | Toad_Bieber | While we're in this discussion |
| 04:52.13 | Toad_Bieber | Black words always lead to something |
| 04:52.15 | Toad_Bieber | Bury her cause her time was cut thin |
| 04:52.16 | Toad_Bieber | All the while you just stood and stared |
| 04:52.18 | Toad_Bieber | Never cared to help we just got carried away |
| 04:52.21 | Toad_Bieber | Lately it seems like my dreams have started to die |
| 04:52.22 | Toad_Bieber | It occured to me on the inside I guess so have I |
| 04:52.25 | Toad_Bieber | And I can't eat |
| 04:52.27 | Toad_Bieber | I can't sleep |
| 04:52.28 | Toad_Bieber | Oh, But Thank you for coming |
| 04:52.30 | Toad_Bieber | And why do we always laugh |
| 04:52.31 | Toad_Bieber | While we're in the last ones coming |
| 04:52.34 | Toad_Bieber | Standing here with my two feet |
| 04:52.36 | Toad_Bieber | Enjoy it now cause it won't be |
| 04:52.37 | Toad_Bieber | Some way |
| 04:52.39 | Toad_Bieber | Some how |
| 04:52.40 | Toad_Bieber | The things that keep me alive |
| 04:52.42 | Toad_Bieber | aren't livin here anymore |
| 04:52.54 | phix | Got spam? |
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| 04:53.02 | Toad_Bieber | Tell your friends not to think aloud |
| 04:53.04 | Toad_Bieber | Until they swallow |
| 04:53.05 | Toad_Bieber | Whisper things into my brain |
| 04:53.07 | Toad_Bieber | Your voice sounds so hollow |
| 04:53.08 | Toad_Bieber | I am not a leader of men |
| 04:53.10 | Toad_Bieber | Since I prefer to follow |
| 04:53.11 | Toad_Bieber | Do you think I could have a drink |
| 04:53.13 | Toad_Bieber | Since it's so hard to swallow |
| 04:53.14 | Toad_Bieber | So hard to swallow |
| 04:53.17 | Toad_Bieber | So turn the television off |
| 04:53.19 | Toad_Bieber | and I will sing a song |
| 04:53.19 | phix | Maybe I should have op status |
| 04:53.20 | Toad_Bieber | And if you suddenly have the urge |
| 04:53.22 | Toad_Bieber | You can sing along |
| 04:53.25 | Toad_Bieber | I touch your hand, I touch your face |
| 04:53.26 | Toad_Bieber | I think the fruit is rotten |
| 04:53.28 | Toad_Bieber | Give me lessons on how to breathe |
| 04:53.29 | Toad_Bieber | 'cause I think I've forgotten |
| 04:53.31 | Toad_Bieber | I think I've forgotten |
| 04:53.34 | Toad_Bieber | One day, up to a cliff |
| 04:53.35 | Toad_Bieber | That overlooks the water |
| 04:53.37 | Toad_Bieber | I jumped in to save a girl |
| 04:53.38 | Toad_Bieber | It was somebody's daughter |
| 04:53.40 | Toad_Bieber | And now the ring that's on my hand |
| 04:53.41 | Toad_Bieber | It was given to me by her |
| 04:53.43 | Toad_Bieber | And to this day we all sit around |
| 04:53.44 | Toad_Bieber | Uncle Sam taught him to shoot |
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| 04:53.45 | Toad_Bieber | Maybe a little too well |
| 04:53.47 | Toad_Bieber | Finger on the trigger, loaded bullet |
| 04:53.49 | Toad_Bieber | He hit the stage so full of rage |
| 04:53.50 | Toad_Bieber | And let the whole world know it |
| 04:53.52 | Toad_Bieber | Six feet away, they heard him say |
| 04:53.53 | Toad_Bieber | Oh God, don't let him pull it |
| 04:53.56 | Toad_Bieber | Please God, don't let him pull it |
| 04:53.57 | Toad_Bieber | How could you put us through it? |
| 04:53.59 | Toad_Bieber | His brother watched you do it |
| 04:54.02 | Toad_Bieber | How could you take his life away? |
| 04:54.03 | Namidairo | please don't make me send an abuse mail to your vps provider |
| 04:54.04 | Toad_Bieber | (What made you think u had the right?) |
| 04:54.05 | Toad_Bieber | How could you be so full of hate? |
| 04:54.06 | Toad_Bieber | (To take away somebody's life) |
| 04:54.08 | Toad_Bieber | And when I heard you let him die |
| 04:54.10 | Toad_Bieber | And made the world all wonder why |
| 04:54.11 | Toad_Bieber | I sat at home and on my own, |
| 04:54.12 | Toad_Bieber | I cried alone |
| 04:54.15 | Toad_Bieber | And scratched your name |
| 04:54.17 | Toad_Bieber | On the side of a bullet |
| 04:54.20 | Toad_Bieber | And in the wake of his mistake |
| 04:54.21 | Toad_Bieber | So many lives are broken |
| 04:54.23 | Toad_Bieber | Gone forever from a loaded bullet |
| 04:54.25 | Toad_Bieber | And no excuse that you could use |
| 04:54.26 | Toad_Bieber | Could pull somebody through it |
| 04:54.27 | Toad_Bieber | And to this day so many say |
| 04:54.29 | Toad_Bieber | God why'd you let him do it? |
| 04:54.30 | Slumlord_ | wtf |
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| 05:10.44 | letsfindout | I'm trying to understand how these wifi cards work. Packages like iwlwifi are non-free because they have non-free firmware, even though the kernel driver is free. So, do these cards have no firmware onboard? It needs to get loaded into volatile memory from the os? Am I understanding this correctly? |
| 05:11.37 | FelixFire619 | are there any production sys admins in the house that use deb as there server os have a few minute's to help school a newb in hand configuration? |
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| 05:13.19 | themill | letsfindout: that's a reasonable summary |
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| 05:16.55 | letsfindout | themill: do you know what the security implications of this would be in the case of malicious firmware? Guessing this probably depends on the free kernel module that loads the firmware. I imagine, ideally, if the kernel module is designed properly, the worse case scenario is bad / modified wifi connection data? |
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| 05:17.49 | letsfindout | or maybe the kernel module just loads the firmware? and connection data is handled by other kernel code? probably a better question for #kernel lol |
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| 05:39.10 | Lady_Aleena | Quick question, does Debian install Ruby? |
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| 05:39.42 | letsfindout | don't think so. I don't have ruby on my machine, and I didn't remove it |
| 05:40.06 | Lady_Aleena | letsfindout, thanks. |
| 05:40.13 | themill | letsfindout: that entirely depends on what "Debian" means to you. There are ruby packages in the archive. |
| 05:40.27 | letsfindout | think Lady_Aleena means by default on installation |
| 05:40.35 | letsfindout | like the way python is |
| 05:40.38 | themill | well that depends what you select at installation tiem |
| 05:44.00 | Lady_Aleena | I don't remember it I asked for ruby when I was installing wheezy, and if I didn't install it with wheezy, I'm sure it wasn't installed when I upgraded to jessie. |
| 05:47.24 | themill | "aptitude why $packagename" can help |
| 05:47.56 | Lady_Aleena | Do I need sudo for that? |
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| 05:48.52 | jaybe | sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install ruby |
| 05:49.02 | jaybe | sudo in front of each command |
| 05:49.31 | Lady_Aleena | "i org.jessies.terminator Depends ruby (>= 1.8)" is the result of "sudo aptitude why ruby" |
| 05:50.32 | Lady_Aleena | IF I'm reading that correctly, it looks like I have ruby installed. |
| 05:51.40 | themill | it also explains why |
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| 05:52.03 | themill | and no, you don't need to use root privileges to search the package database |
| 05:53.01 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I had a hunch that is what "why" stood for, and it seem most things I do needs root privileges. |
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| 06:00.10 | Lady_Aleena | General and unimportant question, why are programs called packages? |
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| 06:02.05 | letsfindout | not all packages are programs |
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| 06:02.26 | Lady_Aleena | Well, that confuses the issue. |
| 06:02.44 | letsfindout | the word itself.. I imagine they went with packages since they're "delivered" to your computer and compressed, needing to be unpacked |
| 06:02.53 | letsfindout | so the it's a good word to encompass that |
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| 06:03.44 | Lady_Aleena | Now I need to readjust my thinking again. |
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| 06:04.05 | greppy | Lady_Aleena: most likely because a 'package' includes more than just an executable, it is a group of files sometimes including libraries, default configuration files, startup scripts, etc. |
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| 06:05.25 | greppy | If I gave you just a binary for say, 'screen' it may work, but you would be missing a lot. If I sent you a binary for apache2, nothing would work because it is expecting files to be in place to tell it what to do. |
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| 06:05.48 | Lady_Aleena | greppy, for me, a program encompasses all files related to it. |
| 06:06.22 | letsfindout | well, some packages are libraries, have no executable and aren't programs |
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| 06:06.51 | Lady_Aleena | letsfindout, okeydokey. |
| 06:06.59 | greppy | and some are packages for scripts that depend on an interpreter to be installed. |
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| 06:07.44 | letsfindout | scripts would be a program to me |
| 06:07.47 | Lady_Aleena | You all don't need to go through every permutation of what can be in a package now. I think I got it. :) |
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| 06:08.37 | letsfindout | lol |
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| 06:09.46 | letsfindout | fonts are another good example ;) |
| 06:10.50 | letsfindout | or themes... the permutations are endless! |
| 06:10.51 | FelixFire619 | Lady_Aleena, are you a debian linux desktop user or server admin? |
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| 06:11.45 | Lady_Aleena | FelixFire619, the former though I have apache2 installed, I only use it for testing my website before I upload it to my web host. |
| 06:11.58 | FelixFire619 | ahh, ok |
| 06:12.04 | FelixFire619 | :( |
| 06:12.12 | Lady_Aleena | FelixFire619, why the frown? |
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| 06:12.19 | phix | <3 |
| 06:12.21 | FelixFire619 | I'm trying to setup a network |
| 06:12.26 | FelixFire619 | Its a bit comlex |
| 06:12.35 | FelixFire619 | and im trying to do it without cpanel/whm |
| 06:12.46 | phix | FelixFire619: Good! cpanel / whm is the worst! |
| 06:12.49 | FelixFire619 | i can setup/install if i know what im looking for |
| 06:12.55 | FelixFire619 | phix you a admin? |
| 06:13.07 | Lady_Aleena | FelixFire619, have you tried apache? |
| 06:13.12 | phix | FelixFire619: Not of this channel |
| 06:13.23 | FelixFire619 | Lady_Aleena, i've actually gotten good at apache2 already its other stuff |
| 06:13.38 | phix | FelixFire619: ok so what would you like to know about networking/. |
| 06:13.50 | Lady_Aleena | FelixFire619, and I'm the idiot of this channel. I know almost nothing. |
| 06:13.55 | FelixFire619 | Lady_Aleena, i run a 100 server whm network and can do all the lil stuff per daemon, but we want to migrate of whm/cpanel and i have a task, at hand |
| 06:14.02 | FelixFire619 | phix, i mean debian admin |
| 06:14.13 | FelixFire619 | server admin, (like web blah blah blah) |
| 06:14.13 | phix | FelixFire619: yup |
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| 06:14.20 | FelixFire619 | may i please pm you? |
| 06:14.25 | phix | sure |
| 06:14.38 | phix | although it may be useful for you to get everyones opionion in here, not just mine |
| 06:14.53 | moobase | why would I use debian? Also, how is debian as a home PC OS? |
| 06:15.07 | EdisonTrent | because. its great. |
| 06:16.08 | letsfindout | depends what you want, I imagine lol |
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| 06:17.32 | phix | moobase: I dont use debian for home PC OS, I use Ubuntu |
| 06:17.44 | greppy | some people use debian as a workstation/home OS just fine, it will depend on what you want to do and if you absolutely need any applications that are specific to a different OS. |
| 06:17.56 | phix | moobase: I use debian for headless servers running in VMs to do a particular task |
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| 06:18.07 | Lady_Aleena | head desks, can't find a definitive document on whether to use apt-get or aptitude. It seems they each have their own strengths and weaknesses, so neither really wins. |
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| 06:18.54 | greppy | Lady_Aleena: I hardly ever use aptitude, but I have been using debian for about 15 years now :) |
| 06:19.02 | r6ku | I use debian for sanity reasons |
| 06:19.24 | greppy | lately I end up managing packages via ansible ( configuration management ) most of the time. |
| 06:19.31 | Lady_Aleena | greppy, I've only been using debian for a year and a half. |
| 06:19.45 | letsfindout | as someone who just installed it on an home pc, I would say debian isn't very user friendly, to be honest |
| 06:19.54 | EdisonTrent | Lady_Aleena, aptitude is comfy. apt-get is precise |
| 06:19.58 | EdisonTrent | uses aptitude |
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| 06:20.27 | Lady_Aleena | And most of that year and a half has been fighting with my DE. |
| 06:21.42 | greppy | letsfindout: it depends on what you want to do with it and what you expect to be there out of the box. |
| 06:22.34 | letsfindout | greppy: of course, but what I'm saying is that most people would expect more out of the box |
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| 06:24.30 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 06:24.40 | greppy | letsfindout: what did you find missing? |
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| 06:25.16 | [gnubie] | anyone here experiencing a problem with âhwaddress ether $MAC_ADDRESSâ in their /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:25.22 | letsfindout | coming from opensuse, default install has everything working and set up reasonably sanely. For users that don't really know linux details, there's also yast |
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| 06:28.48 | letsfindout | greppy: default setup isn't really good for a laptop in terms of power settings etc. laptop-mode-tools doesn't get installed, for instance. Debian install can't pull non-free firmware for wifi on installation, you have to put it on a usb drive or something beforehand |
| 06:29.23 | letsfindout | stuff like that |
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| 06:29.42 | letsfindout | average user would never know to install laptop-mode-tools |
| 06:29.45 | letsfindout | or that it exists |
| 06:30.08 | valdyn | letsfindout: this is a support channel, please stay on topic |
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| 06:30.42 | letsfindout | valdyn: well, it was in support of someone's question lol, but I get the point |
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| 06:31.54 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks for chatting tonight all. I'm going to go rest and try to get tired enough to sleep. Good night. |
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| 06:38.06 | fireba11 | dist-upgrade to jesssie messed up my nagois3 .. now i want to remove all config changes (i got backups) and revert it to default .. how do i do that? nagios3 seems to have a lot of config split up in other packages ... |
| 06:38.30 | fireba11 | i tried purging and reinstalling but there seems to be still leftovers |
| 06:39.51 | jelly | fireba11: did you purge and reinstall nagios3-common ? |
| 06:40.12 | fireba11 | at least i tried to do that yes |
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| 06:42.08 | fireba11 | but after reinstaling apt complains about nagis3.service failing to start due to config errors |
| 06:42.22 | fireba11 | so i guess it's not back to default |
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| 06:45.28 | fireba11 | jelly: it's just my monitoring box so i'm considdering a clean fresh install of debian ... got my configs backed up |
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| 06:50.22 | fireba11 | ah what the heck .. i'll just reinstall it, should only take a few hourse to have everything back up and running. 4 or 5 dist-upgrade in a row tend to leave some leftovers anyway |
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| 07:01.48 | Nomenclatura | Hi. Is there a way to tell apt/dpkg to ignore dbs and whatever and just force reinstall everything from a list or db backup? |
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| 07:02.28 | Nomenclatura | no confirmations, no questions, just plain and blind obedience :) |
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| 07:05.25 | jelly | Nomenclatura: apt really wants a consistent state. You can tell what you want to be installed, and then run "apt-get -f install" |
| 07:06.23 | jelly | until it gets to a consistent state, apt won't work |
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| 07:07.07 | jelly | Nomenclatura: which situation prompts you to ask such a question? (What's your actual issue?) |
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| 07:08.00 | Nomenclatura | jelly: and it will really F-O-R-C-E it or complain about scripts and what nots? |
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| 07:09.35 | Nomenclatura | jelly: I left Debian a long time ago after having dpkg break on me once and a pkg bugged on me which made me reinstall everything when I would have rather repaired a la pacman/rpm way. Want to give Debian another shot but I NEED to know that I have that last resource in case it is needed. :) |
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| 07:10.29 | Nomenclatura | I use Linux because I want obedience after all and not being told what I can/should do :) |
| 07:10.34 | jelly | Nomenclatura: you don't have that last resource. Your workflow from other packaging system cannot be just transplanted onto a dpkg/apt OS. |
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| 07:11.10 | Nomenclatura | jelly: but you are smart enough to understand that such mention is just an example. |
| 07:11.16 | jelly | having "having dpkg break on me once and a pkg bugged on me " can usually be fixed without reinstalling everything. |
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| 07:11.56 | Nomenclatura | I couldn't get rid dpkg's complain about running the uninstall scripts of a pkg |
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| 07:12.25 | Nomenclatura | I was like <IDC, just delete it and reinstall it> and dpkg was like <na ha> |
| 07:13.16 | jelly | Nomenclatura: at that point, you dig into said uninstall script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.prerm or postrm, whichever it complains about) and add debugging. As "last resort", you can just put "exit 0" on top |
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| 07:14.13 | Nomenclatura | exit 0 could work yes..... |
| 07:15.03 | Nomenclatura | I don't like it being a hack but I'll ask my pillow, thank you jelly :) |
| 07:15.47 | jelly | but F-O-R-C-E is not a hack and is acceptable? |
| 07:16.33 | jelly | Nomenclatura: I'm not telling you have to like it, I'm telling you what actually works. |
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| 07:18.13 | jelly | Nomenclatura: it's a serious issue. If a debian package removal does that, it's a release-critical bug, and would get said package removed from distro if unfixed. |
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| 07:19.09 | jelly | but most often such mistakes happen during development cycle, or with 3rd party packages |
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| 07:21.21 | Nomenclatura | jelly: I honestly, and I hope you don't take this as an attack to Debian or anything... I really don't see why such a simple function has never been implemented to dpkg |
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| 07:22.00 | Nomenclatura | I understand the distro wants to be all perfection but sh*t does hapen and to have the crude tools when it does can be priceless |
| 07:22.20 | jelly | Nomenclatura: it exists, but it doesn't solve anything |
| 07:23.36 | jelly | Nomenclatura: dpkg has --force-all, but you never want to use it as it will typically introduce more problems than it solves |
| 07:24.04 | Nomenclatura | jelly: it actually fixes things and is implemented on all (rpm/emerge/pacman) but dpkg. |
| 07:24.06 | jelly | Nomenclatura: so when shit happens, you don't use that, but something as said above |
| 07:24.25 | Nomenclatura | exists? which one is? that was my question |
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| 07:25.18 | FelixFire619 | :\ |
| 07:25.50 | Nomenclatura | oh, the all hack, well yes it works I guess but I'm saying there is no "forget about everything and reset my OS to default without having me to reinstall and spend hours fixing stuff" |
| 07:26.05 | jelly | Nomenclatura: no, there's no such thing |
| 07:26.13 | Nomenclatura | but just a dpkg --force-reinstall-everything --yes |
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| 07:27.09 | [gnubie] | anyoneâs familiar here how to assign a custom mac address? |
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| 07:28.01 | jelly | Nomenclatura: editing a single prerm to put exit 0 in it and running "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" afterwards usually does not take hours, tho |
| 07:28.04 | Nomenclatura | [gnubie]: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Changing_Your_MAC_Address/Linux |
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| 07:28.51 | jelly | Nomenclatura: so this is pretty much a matter of different workflow to work around an issue with a single package |
| 07:29.12 | Nomenclatura | jelly: yes :) |
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| 07:29.23 | [gnubie] | Nomenclatura: i have a âhwaddress ether $MAC_ADDRESSâ line under my bonding interface. however, it doesnât work as expected even after reboot |
| 07:29.51 | at0m|c | [gnubie]: check out macchanger |
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| 07:30.34 | [gnubie] | at0m|c: iâve seen that. however, i need to understand why the âhwaddress ether $MAC_ADDRESSâ doesnât work now in debian jessie amd64? |
| 07:30.42 | Nomenclatura | [gnubie]: if you are using network manager on a regular ui environment you have the option to enter a custom mac there too |
| 07:31.05 | [gnubie] | Nomenclatura: i donât use X. this is for a server. |
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| 07:31.19 | Nomenclatura | [gnubie]: what do you connect with? |
| 07:31.29 | [gnubie] | iâve been doing the âhwaddress ether $MAC_ADDRESSâ line in the past. now in jessie, iâm surprised that the âhwaddress ether $MAC_ADDRESSâ doesnât work as expected |
| 07:31.40 | [gnubie] | Nomenclatura: over the wire |
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| 07:31.55 | Nomenclatura | wicd, nm, ifup... |
| 07:32.02 | jelly | [gnubie]: is the mac address inherited from one of the slaves or is it a completely new one? |
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| 07:32.27 | [gnubie] | # lspci | grep -i ether |
| 07:32.28 | [gnubie] | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 01) |
| 07:32.29 | [gnubie] | 02:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 01) |
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| 07:33.14 | [gnubie] | jelly: the mac address that persist is from the slave. however, the mac address that i want to have is a custom one and that is for the bonding interface |
| 07:33.45 | jelly | so a completely different one, not matching any of the slaves. I've never done that |
| 07:34.14 | Nomenclatura | easiest thing is to use the network connection manager to set the mac |
| 07:34.14 | [gnubie] | yes, not using any of the slaveâs mac address |
| 07:34.19 | jelly | [gnubie]: and this had worked on wheezy? |
| 07:34.22 | Nomenclatura | maybe the most correct too |
| 07:34.31 | [gnubie] | jelly: yes. |
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| 07:34.42 | [gnubie] | jelly: and in ubuntu |
| 07:34.49 | [gnubie] | ubuntu 14.04 lts |
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| 07:35.05 | jelly | Nomenclatura: I wouldn't let NM near a 50' radius of my bonding setup |
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| 07:35.50 | jelly | [gnubie]: can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
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| 07:37.41 | jelly | [gnubie]: also output of "ip a" or "ip l" |
| 07:37.41 | [gnubie] | jelly: please hold on.. |
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| 07:37.56 | Nomenclatura | ok, the electron's way it is then |
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| 07:38.03 | Nomenclatura | g night |
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| 07:39.37 | jelly | [gnubie]: don't have a jessie system with bonding in place, it may take a while for me to even try reproducing |
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| 07:42.33 | [gnubie] | jelly: http://pastie.org/10279177 |
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| 07:44.58 | jelly | [gnubie]: and "cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0", sorry |
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| 07:46.07 | avian | If anyone is concerned about the Iceweasel user-agent affecting privacy, I've made an add-on that's a bit more convenient than other user agent switchers https://github.com/avian2/thawed-weasel |
| 07:46.16 | jelly | [gnubie]: shouldn't bond0 be "iface bond0 inet manual" instead of static? |
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| 07:47.28 | [gnubie] | jelly: http://pastie.org/10279184 |
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| 07:48.11 | [gnubie] | jelly: you mean, the bond0 is manual while retain the bond0.810 in static? |
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| 07:48.30 | jelly | [gnubie]: yes. Also get rid of allow-hotplug bond0.810 |
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| 07:48.52 | jelly | no sense having both "auto" and "allow-hotplug" for same iface |
| 07:49.04 | [gnubie] | ok.. trying now the changes.. |
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| 07:49.34 | [gnubie] | after the âservice networking restartâ, same mac address.. let me reboot the machine.. |
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| 07:50.59 | jelly | [gnubie]: don't use restart, use ifdown bond0; ifup bond0 |
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| 07:51.42 | [gnubie] | jelly: i already rebooted the machine.. please hold on.. |
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| 07:53.16 | jelly | [gnubie]: we basically have just http://paste.debian.net/280094/ on the machines connected to LACP-capable switches |
| 07:53.32 | Psy-Q | the possible iceweasel bug when changing passwords on github that i reproduced last week turned out to be a bug in github, and they're fixing it :) |
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| 07:54.03 | [gnubie] | jelly: you donât modify the mac address |
| 07:54.31 | jelly | yeah, and no jessie installs on physical hardware thus far |
| 07:54.31 | [gnubie] | hhmmm.. my machine is not reachable now.. |
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| 07:54.49 | [gnubie] | please hold on.. let me check the machine itself.. |
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| 08:05.07 | [gnubie] | jelly: i enabled back the âallow-hotplug bond0.810â line to have the ip enabled.. |
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| 08:05.29 | [gnubie] | without that line, the interface does not come up |
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| 08:07.44 | [gnubie] | jelly: anyway, the mac address remains the same.. |
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| 08:10.01 | jelly | [gnubie]: that's weird |
| 08:10.25 | [gnubie] | yes, it is.. |
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| 08:11.35 | [gnubie] | however, there should have a reason for this. i find my /etc/networ/interfaces correct.. unless, thereâs a change in jessie.. or maybe, a bug.. |
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| 08:15.07 | jelly | [gnubie]: does doing "ifconfig bond0 hw 81:0d:dd:dd:dd:72" manually work (do it on the console, you may lose access)? |
| 08:15.30 | ZeroBeholder | Stupid hardware question. I am wondering if I should put two 4port ethernet pci cards in or get an external switch. If I can configure debian to route that would eliminate a 'thing' to plug in in addition to the computer that will already be plugged in. |
| 08:15.48 | [gnubie] | jelly: i may lose connection but i will try then.. |
| 08:15.52 | [gnubie] | please hold on.. |
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| 08:16.55 | jelly | [gnubie]: if that works, reboot, and try again with "ip link set dev bond0 address 81:0d:dd:dd:dd:72" which is what newer ifup seems to do (looking at "strings /sbin/ifup|grep hwaddr") |
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| 08:17.40 | ZeroBeholder | My understanding is that switches handle layer 2 traffic which is mac address based and my router only comes into play for handing out IP addresses and accessing the internet. That means the switch device wouldn't impact internal network machine to machine transfers and having the ethernet PCI cards won't help transfer speeds... |
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| 08:18.10 | ZeroBeholder | I only have one network, so there wouldn't be network to network besides the Internet... |
| 08:18.47 | [gnubie] | # ifconfig bond0.810 hw ether 81:0d:dd:dd:dd:72 |
| 08:18.48 | [gnubie] | SIOCSIFHWADDR: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 08:19.25 | jelly | [gnubie]: uh, not on the vlan interface... |
| 08:20.29 | [gnubie] | # ifconfig bond0 hw ether 81:0d:dd:dd:dd:72 |
| 08:20.29 | [gnubie] | SIOCSIFHWADDR: Cannot assign requested address |
| 08:20.32 | [gnubie] | same thing |
| 08:20.53 | jelly | hmm, no idea why |
| 08:21.13 | [gnubie] | however, i want this bond0 interface to be shared or to have sub-interfaces per vlan and with its own mac address |
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| 08:21.35 | jelly | [gnubie]: you can't have separate mac addresses on vlans |
| 08:21.36 | ZeroBeholder | Should I agonize over getting a low power mobo with PCI slots or just bite the bullet and buy the external switch which is built for switching with little to no configuration... unlike the PCI cards which will need a lot of up front fiddling due to it being integrated into an already existing machine that didn't start out as a router/firewall/dev-webserver (currently using OpenWRT, want to... |
| 08:21.38 | ZeroBeholder | ...eliminate some devices, open up plugs, switch to VMs). |
| 08:22.13 | ZeroBeholder | Advice on my current misadventures? |
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| 08:23.01 | jelly | [gnubie]: and I suspect you can't reboot into older wheezy 3.2 kernel because systemd won't like it? |
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| 08:23.09 | [gnubie] | jelly: i see. nevertheless, at least i can customize the mac address of the bond0 interface |
| 08:23.18 | [gnubie] | yes |
| 08:23.51 | [gnubie] | apart from the mac address customization, the gateway line is not auto-configured although itâs already in the config |
| 08:25.23 | dkaspar | Hi there. I am trying to get my old thinkpad T60 (x86) to run an IPSec VPN, so I want to use strongswan in conjunction with network-manager. I am using Jessie. Problem: Jessie has no network-manager-strongswan, and when I try to use the (apparently available) backports version, apt still says: E: Package 'network-manager-strongswan' has no installation candidate |
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| 08:28.46 | ZeroBeholder | This is in the context of Debian because RHEL/Cent is just weird to me as well as the other Linux flavors-- the Solaris box is out because it is already doing enough with the VMs already running (Jenkins, NATed non-SSL IP Cameras streaming endpoint with SSL then also on the Solaris itsel CrashPlan backup of the everything, and ZFS file server). The dev-webserver could possibly do extra duty... |
| 08:28.48 | ZeroBeholder | ...as a router, switch, LDAP/SSO and firewall. |
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| 08:29.38 | DexterF | hi. which installer should I get if all I need is a minimum base install and X with a lightweight desktop like xfce for offline installation? |
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| 08:43.15 | dkaspar | Hi. If you look at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.debian.devel/q2Hz5zJ2N3U, the package "network-manager-strongswan" is not available in jessie, but it apparently works when trying the wheezy version. My question: how would I (realtively cleanly) install this version on my fresh x86 jessie install? |
| 08:44.00 | dkaspar | a backport version is still not available it seems |
| 08:44.52 | jelly | dkaspar: add repos for wheezy to your sources.list, apt-get update, install it, remove or comment out the wheezy lines |
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| 08:47.23 | dkaspar | ok ty jelly will try that |
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| 08:49.52 | [gnubie] | # macchanger 81:0d:dd:dd:dd:72 bond0 |
| 08:49.53 | [gnubie] | [ERROR] Set device name: No such device |
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| 09:18.19 | SanchoPensa | hi guys! |
| 09:18.19 | SanchoPensa | is it true, that the rc0.d to rc5.d system no longer works? |
| 09:18.19 | SanchoPensa | and if so, how do i launch my iptables scripts nowadays? |
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| 09:19.00 | equa | SanchoPensa: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 09:20.29 | SanchoPensa | equa: ya thanks for that link, but it actually completely misses my question. |
| 09:20.29 | SanchoPensa | my question is not about iptables? |
| 09:20.30 | jelly | SanchoPensa: if you have a custom init script, just make sure it has valid LSB headers and it will keep working |
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| 09:37.28 | SanchoPensa | jelly: could you give me a hint, what to look for there? do you mean the shebang in the script, or what exactly? what i don't understand for starters, is, does rc3.d still work if i put a softlink in there to my script in init.d? |
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| 09:39.58 | cast | it's pretty easy to switch from systemd to sysv |
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| 09:42.37 | SanchoPensa | cast: aaaaah! sysv! i see, thank you! :) |
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| 09:48.26 | bexelbie | Is Kubernetes packaged for debian? I can't find it at debian.org |
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| 10:06.03 | chele | ,v Kubernetes |
| 10:06.04 | judd | No package named 'Kubernetes' was found in amd64. |
| 10:06.09 | chele | ,v kubernetes |
| 10:06.10 | judd | No package named 'kubernetes' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:38.23 | jeeves_moss | is there still an active spark flavour of the distro? |
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| 10:41.09 | Otyugh | hey there. What is to check if I can ping on local network, machines on local network acces too internet, but me got "Network is unreachable" when trying to reach outside :s |
| 10:41.34 | jeeves_moss | Otyugh, can you ping the default gate? |
| 10:41.45 | Otyugh | the router you mean ? |
| 10:41.55 | Otyugh | if so, yup |
| 10:42.13 | jeeves_moss | ok, can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 10:42.51 | Otyugh | ping: sendto: Network is unreachable |
| 10:42.54 | jeeves_moss | Otyugh, pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 10:43.10 | jeeves_moss | and are you able to ping other systems internally? |
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| 10:44.54 | jeeves_moss | Otyugh, brb, going to get out of windows |
| 10:45.01 | Otyugh | exact interface is almost empty x) |
| 10:45.04 | Otyugh | Iguess it was it |
| 10:45.05 | Otyugh | thanks |
| 10:45.16 | jeeves_moss | np |
| 10:47.23 | JayFK | uhm, should'nt this be /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 10:49.57 | MrBy | Otyugh: default gw set? what does "ip r s" show ? |
| 10:50.28 | jeeves_moss | MrBy, is he still fighting with the no route issue? |
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| 10:51.58 | jeeves_moss | well boyz, I think this NAS is going to get the soldering iron. |
| 10:52.08 | jeeves_moss | brb, I need to find me level shifters |
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| 10:52.48 | Kaloon | hi everyone |
| 10:53.44 | Kaloon | how to know how many sata port have i on my gnu/linux machine without umount the pc ? |
| 10:54.16 | jeeves_moss | Kaloon, what are you trying to do? see how many SATA ports are on the motherboard? |
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| 10:56.28 | frostschutz | Kaloon, ls /sys/class/ata_port? lshw? |
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| 11:05.06 | JyZyXEL | man these texlive packages are always a huge space hog |
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| 11:05.55 | Kaloon | jeeves_moss, yes i want to know how many sata port there are on the MB |
| 11:06.54 | Kaloon | frostschutz, ata_port give the number of sata port ? |
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| 11:07.32 | Kaloon | In fact, i would like to find the way to have a link beetwen a sata port and a disk (sda,sdb) |
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| 11:08.09 | Kaloon | ls -l /sys/block/ |grep sd |
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| 11:08.19 | Kaloon | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 juil. 8 12:50 sdb -> ../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.0/host2/target2:0:1/2:0:1:0/block/sdb |
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| 11:08.50 | jeeves_moss | Kaloon, sorry, no idea. I've got a few larger issues over here right now |
| 11:09.04 | Kaloon | how to find wich sata port is used by sda and sdb ? |
| 11:09.37 | Kaloon | any idea ? |
| 11:10.44 | jeeves_moss | one sec. let me look |
| 11:11.45 | jeeves_moss | sorry, I don't know |
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| 11:12.49 | centrx | Yes! "After a careful review of all the pros and cons we, the Debian Multimedia Maintainers team, have finally decided to switch from Libav to FFmpeg" |
| 11:13.33 | jelly | centrx: now you just need to wait 2 years for the next release |
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| 11:14.01 | centrx | Even better! |
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| 11:17.31 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to make system restore points in debian, in case apt-get upgrade goes horribly wrong? |
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| 11:25.32 | centrx | JyZyXEL, http://superuser.com/questions/163716/is-there-a-restore-point-in-linux-debian-ubuntu-like-windows |
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| 11:26.23 | nwe | hello, I question.. I have two public ip to my server IP1 on eth0 and IP2 on eth1 the problem I got is that I also runngin kvm-guests on the server so br0(to my quests) and br1(to my friends guests). but all traffic going it from my eth0 but traffic some coming in on eth1 should go out on the same interface.. I have looked on this http://www.iodigitalsec.com/linux-iproute2-multiple-default-gateways/ but It sti |
| 11:26.28 | Han | Is there a way to determin local changes in all files in /etc? |
| 11:26.29 | nwe | lls going out on eth0 |
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| 11:27.08 | centrx | Han, Try etckeeper? |
| 11:27.31 | centrx | nwe, Try asking in ##networking |
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| 11:28.03 | nwe | centrx: okey. |
| 11:28.05 | Han | centrx, that sounds like a very nice tool indeed, thanks. |
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| 11:30.22 | JyZyXEL | doesn't look like there is any easy solution |
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| 11:31.09 | centrx | JyZyXEL, You can take a complete system backup in many different ways. |
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| 11:31.30 | centrx | JyZyXEL, The flipside is, system restore is really not necessary. apt-get upgrade on a regular system does not go horribly wrong |
| 11:31.52 | JyZyXEL | unless you are running sid :P |
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| 11:35.03 | PedroG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.50 | jeeves_moss | does anyone know what image I need for a Sparc CPU? I want to get my hands on a mini boot CD |
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| 11:46.00 | MrBy | jeeves_moss: i guess |
| 11:46.30 | centrx | jeeves_moss, I think you'll have to get the images for Debian 7 wheezy |
| 11:46.43 | centrx | jeeves_moss, sparc was removed in Debian 8 |
| 11:46.50 | jeeves_moss | ok, I'm trying to get rid of the crap default from Netgear for a NV+ |
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| 11:48.01 | opiwahn | in my remastered debian-iso boot-mode "text" no longer works (systemd I think)... how can I fix this? textmode is ignored as the live-iso starts the desktop |
| 11:48.57 | jeeves_moss | damn it, I let the magic smoke out of the LCD module and now the house stinks |
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| 11:54.39 | shibly | A start job is running for LSB .. , how can i stop this during boot? |
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| 12:03.27 | ThunderFrog | Hi all, a question; i'm writing a script that downloads a big file via curl. No i want to monitor the progress but curl claims the full space, i'd like to see the local file grow |
| 12:03.32 | shibly | Can anyone answer? |
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| 12:03.51 | SynrG | shibly: too non-specific a problem report |
| 12:04.11 | SynrG | shibly: we need exact error messages |
| 12:04.33 | ThunderFrog | can anyone enlight me with a hint? |
| 12:05.07 | shibly | SynrG: "A start job is running for LSB .. , how can i stop this during boot?" , it takes time |
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| 12:05.25 | SynrG | shibly: i read that |
| 12:05.39 | SynrG | what i'm complaining about is that it doesn't have any details about your actual problem |
| 12:05.40 | shibly | Want to stop it during boot |
| 12:05.59 | SynrG | it should have "... for LSB: something" |
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| 12:06.35 | SynrG | shibly: i.e. give us the exact error message and maybe we can help |
| 12:06.40 | shibly | How can i create desktop icons from Applications > Utilities>gnome terminal ? |
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| 12:06.56 | shibly | SynrG: It is not error message |
| 12:07.04 | SynrG | ... |
| 12:07.10 | SynrG | that's splitting hairs, isn't it? |
| 12:07.20 | SynrG | it's a message* you didn't give the details of the message |
| 12:07.34 | Megatin | How do I boot into cli instead of gui? |
| 12:08.16 | SynrG | shibly: the boot process involves a number of different LSB jobs. the message should say which one is hanging. |
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| 12:08.37 | shibly | "A start job is running for LSB .. raising network", how can i stop this during boot? , it takes time |
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| 12:09.20 | SynrG | shibly: so i guess it really is "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces." i asked for exact, and you're still paraphrasing. please be exact in future. |
| 12:09.21 | shibly | Megatin: Do you want to uninstall desktop environment? |
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| 12:09.53 | shibly | Megatin: "CTRL+ALT+F1" , you will get black console |
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| 12:10.06 | Megatin | No just disable it and equa did a dpkg |
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| 12:10.12 | SynrG | shibly: my guess is that you have some sort of /etc/network/if-up.d/ problem |
| 12:10.28 | shibly | Megatin: "CTRL+ALT+F7" to get back desktop environment |
| 12:11.09 | SynrG | shibly: boot from rescue media, such as a live image, then mount your filesystem and examine it. see if there is some errant script in there that could be failing |
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| 12:11.50 | lucad111 | shibly: i think you can't stop it, that is systemd initializing the network |
| 12:12.49 | SynrG | shibly: could we see your /etc/network/interfaces file, please? and also a directory listing of /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 12:13.12 | lucad111 | you can use "journalctl -xn" to get a log from systemd i think |
| 12:13.32 | lucad111 | that shoudl give some more ideas as to what is holding up |
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| 12:18.01 | shibly | SynrG: shibly@mybox:/etc/network/if-up.d$ ls |
| 12:18.01 | shibly | avahi-daemon mountnfs upstart wpasupplicant |
| 12:18.02 | SynrG | shibly: do you have any NFS or CIFS mounts in /etc/fstab? |
| 12:18.14 | shibly | https://bpaste.net/show/8cb35b2d3822 |
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| 12:19.16 | shibly | SynrG: no |
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| 12:21.12 | stack | hi there, I would like to give differnt dns responses based on client ip, is this possible with dnsmasq somehow or should I use something else like bind views? |
| 12:21.54 | SynrG | shibly: is line 13 just line 12 wrapped incorrectly in your paste? |
| 12:22.14 | SynrG | i.e. is that actually a part of the comment from the previous line, and there is not really a newline there? |
| 12:23.14 | SynrG | never mind. i see in the interfaces man page 'provider' |
| 12:23.22 | SynrG | this is a new one for me. never set up one of these before. |
| 12:23.53 | abrotman | stack: probably better to ask #dns, but views sound right |
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| 12:25.47 | shibly | How can i create desktop icons from Applications > Utilities>gnome terminal ? it is debian jessie gnome-classic |
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| 12:26.35 | SynrG | shibly: one question at a time? |
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| 12:27.23 | SynrG | i think getting your system to boot without hanging is a priority, no? |
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| 12:28.45 | stack | abrotman: ok thanks for the hint on the channel name |
| 12:29.12 | lucad111 | SynrG: shibly's network is not using a ethernet connnection as primary interface, probably it takes time to set up the connection and the network is a prerequisite for other services that need to start |
| 12:29.40 | hex` | How can I allow a single user to read /var/log/access.log (which requires root) without being root. Something like a "single file Exception".. I thought about changing the file permission's, but it didn't work (apparently I need to allow g+r in /var and /var/logto make access.log readable) |
| 12:29.50 | SynrG | lucad111: how does pppoe work at all? i know there must be plenty of users which use it ... |
| 12:30.19 | SynrG | lucad111: eth0 *is* the primary interface, but many DSL providers use ppp over it |
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| 12:31.38 | SynrG | so what i'm having trouble with is figuring out a next step for shibly. anyone else have ideas? |
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| 12:32.22 | lucad111 | SynrG: i never used pppoe it in a interface file, you're right eth0 is the primary interface, my bad, though it is pppoe that drives it in the end |
| 12:32.29 | SynrG | yep |
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| 12:33.09 | equa | hex`: make a group and add the user to the group. then give the group permission to r+x on directories and r for access.log |
| 12:33.51 | SynrG | shibly: how long did you wait for it to finish before giving up? |
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| 12:33.58 | lucad111 | SynrG: shibly: is the system completely stuck or just takes some time to start? |
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| 12:34.35 | SynrG | what's supposed to happen is, after a while it will timeout and eventually the system will boot without network |
| 12:36.15 | shibly | SynrG: It takes around 30 seconds to start the network |
| 12:38.54 | lucad111 | shibly: SynrG: well you can remove auto dsl-provider from interfaces, this way teh interface will not be configured at boot |
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| 12:39.21 | lucad111 | but of course all the services that rely on a interface other than localhost will fail |
| 12:39.22 | aypea[2] | gah. gmd3 seems to have changed how it deals with the bg. how do I change the bg image /now/? using debian testing. |
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| 12:40.44 | lucad111 | shibly: 30 seconds doesn't seems like a huge amount of time given the kind of connection that it's trying to configure |
| 12:40.46 | aypea[2] | and i seem to have lost .face handling :( |
| 12:40.50 | aypea[2] | ffs. :( |
| 12:41.36 | opiwahn | at what stage of initrd script: http://snag.gy/4WtQp.jpg are devices /dev/sda e.g. ready to use ? |
| 12:42.08 | deepy | Is there any middle-ground between uxterm and gnome-terminal? |
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| 12:42.54 | detergnet | deepy: what does that mean? |
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| 12:43.22 | deepy | an uxterm that handles the clipboard in the way that gnome-terminal does |
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| 12:44.55 | SynrG | shibly: it may be that 'auto' is the problem. this triggers it to be brought up at the very beginning |
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| 12:46.51 | shibly | SynrG: Are you telling me to comment this: auto dsl-provider ? |
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| 12:47.13 | detergnet | deepy: maybe rxvt-unicode; it's more configurable than uxterm and supports extensions written in perl (I think there are a few for copy+paste) |
| 12:47.30 | SynrG | shibly: you could try that for now. however, as lucad111 cautioned, it might cause problems for other services starting at boot time |
| 12:47.59 | SynrG | shibly: also, depending on whether or not the network is brought up automatically by some other means, you may have to manually sudo ifup dsl-provider after it finishes booting |
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| 12:48.27 | SynrG | that's my understanding anyway. as i said, i don't know anything about pppoe |
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| 12:50.05 | hex` | equa, but then the user will be in the www-data group, which gives him more power than I wish... anyway, I think I have a solution (create a shell script that the user will use instead of becoming root directly). thanks! |
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| 12:54.07 | Brigo | hex`, not a good idea, better use sudo. |
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| 12:57.28 | hex` | Brigo, yes, I think you are right |
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| 13:11.20 | baconicsynergy | hey guys, im trying to install lemonbar from source on jessie, and I want to use apt-get to do the job... but I don't know how to add github repositories to my sources.list. anyone have some advice? |
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| 13:12.02 | baconicsynergy | btw my familiarity with github is minimal |
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| 13:13.36 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 13:13.40 | baconicsynergy | hi there |
| 13:13.44 | Phil-Work | baconicsynergy, this? https://github.com/LemonBoy/bar |
| 13:13.59 | baconicsynergy | Phil-Work: thats the one! |
| 13:14.19 | Phil-Work | baconicsynergy: git clone git@github.com:LemonBoy/bar.git |
| 13:14.30 | Phil-Work | cd into the folder |
| 13:14.33 | Phil-Work | make |
| 13:14.33 | Phil-Work | make install |
| 13:15.42 | baconicsynergy | wonderful, ty. however, is there a way to let apt handle the downloaded source and dependency resolution? |
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| 13:16.52 | planetmaker | baconicsynergy, no |
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| 13:17.18 | taxo | hi |
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| 13:18.25 | baconicsynergy | planetmaker: i see. so apt-get can only handle deb-src repositories from sources.list? |
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| 13:24.17 | Phil-Work | baconicsynergy, you could make a debian package out of it... but unless a package has been made, apt cannot handle it |
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| 13:25.46 | baconicsynergy | Phil-Work: makes sense to me. I think that sounds like the best course of action for me |
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| 13:26.53 | Gachr_ | sounds like their worth. but their stuff at my uncle (mom's likely say FUCK Texas! new one off a deal. |
| 13:27.02 | Gachr_ | my uncle (mom's dad when my grandpa good dead Japanese off a deal. |
| 13:27.11 | Gachr_ | my uncle has threatening for that?. better have many in '70 them. |
| 13:27.20 | Gachr_ | allsy. Cowboys and Hawaii! the can get for 725k is burial flag after have from my uncle has threatening for 725k is burial flag after he get married. maybe if it was a total dick, but it was just have from my folks were in Germany versions of that I know when he took officer. when he took off a deal. |
| 13:27.29 | Gachr_ | my uncle has threatening hippy. who know, he left they left my must ohio that all his medals. i have been anyone should've been anyone of two civil war sword he legit. also don't knows. he's still things i have from my uncle has two civil war sword for weed. |
| 13:27.38 | Gachr_ | sounds little brother grandpa who knows. he's still thing. GB Packet, and Hawaii! their stuff a dead Japanese off at my uncle (mom's dad where in ?51? from my grandpa who knows. he's still a pot smoking a helmet. Asking hippy. guy probably say FUCK Alaska and moved the army in '70 the army in ?51? from what all his eisenhower jacket, and all his other grandpa who died when i was one should've |
| 13:27.38 | Gachr_ | been a long-term agreement as Monday. |
| 13:27.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's good stuff. |
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| 13:27.47 | Gachr_ | oh my must have not the other family and moved to secede every year. Yeah. my dad when i was one case. |
| 13:27.56 | Gachr_ | oh my grandpa's house (mom's little brother) traded their worth. but it was one of that all his burial flag, his medals. i have not the sword he took off a dead Japanese of two things i have mantle. no idea the other family. |
| 13:28.05 | Gachr_ | Only things i have been a lot. hippy. guy probably still thinks it was a sword he get married. maybe if it was one can get for 725k is ballsy. Cowboys a |
| 13:28.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | you sure type fast. |
| 13:28.14 | Gachr_ | could've been anyone can get for 725k is burial flag after have not that I knows. he's still a pot smoking weed. |
| 13:28.18 | baconicsynergy | he's probably not typing |
| 13:28.20 | taxo | Hi, I'm using debian jessie with gnome 3.14.1 How do you close all nautilus windows? with ctrl+q only close the current windows. htanks |
| 13:28.23 | Gachr_ | sounds likely still a pot smoking a got they left the flag after have mantle. no idea their stuff at my folks were his other was a got their stuff a dead Japanese of two civil war swords perched above his eisenhower jacket, and moved the army in Germany in Germany versions of two thinks it was two that?. better have been wearing a good deal. |
| 13:28.32 | Gachr_ | my uncle has to remember. where are his burial flag, his other family. |
| 13:28.41 | Gachr_ | Only things i have from my must ohio that allowed fag marriages it was one off a dead Japanese officer. are 50 dumbass. FUCK Alaska and allowed fag marriages it was one should've been wearing a helmet. Asking a helmet. Asking a gun. they left my dad when i was one should be funny when a lot. hippy. who died when my uncle (mom's dad when i was two civil war swords perched above his firing weed |
| 13:28.41 | Gachr_ | did he took officer. are 50 dumbass. FUCK Texas! new one officer. are he left that's not the sword for that pic. It's nothings i have from my grandpa's house (mom's little brother grandpa's house (mom's little brother was threatening a helmet. Asking to remember. where army in Germany versions of that I know where he was one should announce a long-term agreement as Monday. |
| 13:28.50 | Gachr_ | There his other grandpa's house (mom's like the are 50 dumbass. FUCK Texas! new one should be funny when anyone of two thing. GB Packet, and WR Dez Bryant could've been a lot. hippy. guy probably still a pot smoking for 725k is ballsy. Cowboys and allowed fag married. maybe if it was just ohio thinks it was one case. |
| 13:28.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | Gachr_: your writing is atrocious. |
| 13:28.59 | Gachr_ | There he left the are 50 dumbass. FUCK Alaska and allowed fag marriages it was a sword for weed did he ditchd the flag, his medals. i have been wearing hippy. who know, he took off a deal. |
| 13:29.08 | Gachr_ | my uncle has two civil war swords perched above his eisenhower jackers tight end Quarless charged with firing a helmet. Asking a gun. the family and all his ballsy. Cowboys and Hawaii! the hood. how much fucking hippy. who know where his fireplace many in Germany versions of that pic. It's not their worth. but it was to secede every year. Yeah. my must ohio things i have mantle. no idea the |
| 13:29.08 | Gachr_ | hood. how much fucking to young to michigan w/ his burial flag after have been wearing a gun. them. |
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| 13:29.17 | Gachr_ | r he ditchd the can get married. maybe if it was a got the hood. how much fucking hippy. guy probably still a pot smoking a good dead Japanese off at my must ohio thing. GB Packet, and Hawaii! the case. |
| 13:29.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | no hint of grammatical structure. |
| 13:29.26 | Gachr_ | There in Germany in '70 the are 50 dumbass. FUCK Texas threatening weed did he got that funny when i was one officer. are 50 dumbass. FUCK Alaska and Hawaii! them. |
| 13:29.34 | baconicsynergy | i'm entertained but im sure there is a better use of space... |
| 13:29.35 | Gachr_ | sword for weed. |
| 13:29.44 | Gachr_ | sounds little brother) traded they're left the flag after have been wearing weed. |
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| 13:29.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | that was interesting. |
| 13:30.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | sword for weed. |
| 13:30.16 | baconicsynergy | symptomology of profound schizophrenia... or he's just bored |
| 13:30.24 | baconicsynergy | or both |
| 13:30.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think it was a failed attempt at making a chatbot of sorts. |
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| 13:30.58 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: next time, try !ops Gachr_ spammming nonsense |
| 13:31.09 | abrotman | Now, back to Debian |
| 13:31.16 | yzak | Hello. Somebody have a "how to" install the debian in encrypted partition. Manual mode? |
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| 13:34.11 | Brigo | yzak, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 13:38.45 | yzak | Brigo, tanx |
| 13:38.54 | Brigo | yzak, yw :) |
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| 14:03.13 | bexelbie | Is there a guide for installing kubernetes on debian since it isn't packaged? |
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| 14:06.00 | SynrG | did you check the wnpp? |
| 14:06.20 | SynrG | !wnpp |
| 14:06.20 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 14:07.31 | SynrG | i just did. it's not there. if it's eligible (no license or other issue that would prevent it) then file an RFP |
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| 14:08.33 | BeBoo | Hello all. I am getting "martian source" in my syslog when attempting to connect to my debian server which is on a different subnet. (my system is on 192.168.1.0, server is on 172.16.0.0). What do I need to do to fix this? |
| 14:09.02 | bexelbie | SynrG, I didn't know to check that - thank you for the information and checking |
| 14:09.36 | SynrG | bexelbie: otherwise, asking upstream is probably your best bet |
| 14:09.50 | SynrG | bexelbie: see if they have a user forum. check the archives ... |
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| 14:10.24 | SynrG | but the best way to get support for it is for it to enter debian. if you file an RFP bug against the wnpp at least you're registering your interest |
| 14:10.37 | SynrG | could help a future potential contributor decide it's worth packaging |
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| 14:11.22 | bexelbie | SynrG, will do, thank you |
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| 14:13.37 | tbsaunde | hi, anyone want to help me figure out why the alsa devices aren't getting created on a w541 I just installed debian on? |
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| 14:16.15 | markvandenborre | is there a way to disable the adblock plus plugin in one iceweasel window or tab and keep it available in the rest? |
| 14:16.26 | markvandenborre | has to put some advertising online |
| 14:17.05 | markvandenborre | but I don't want those pesky ads to pollute my view except where really necessary |
| 14:17.16 | petn-randall | markvandenborre: Click on the adblock plus icon, select 'disable for <yourdomain>'. |
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| 14:22.46 | shay_shay | and the off topic question of the year award goes to... |
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| 14:25.56 | no | hi |
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| 14:26.28 | Guest96363 | is anyone available to help with a technical issue? |
| 14:26.42 | Brigo | !ask |
| 14:26.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:27.46 | Guest96363 | when running optirun glxgears i get an error message |
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| 14:28.46 | Guest96363 | i have followed the instructions on the debian website, but i still get an error |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | and that error is? |
| 14:29.20 | Guest96363 | [ 1285.737233] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card1: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied [ 1285.737289] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled. |
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| 14:32.02 | Guest96363 | on a newly installed debian 8 |
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| 14:33.01 | Guest96363 | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 14:33.29 | Enekk | Having a bit of an issue with Streatch. Ssh is not triggering the gnome keyring's graphical unlock for my keys. Anyone know how this is triggered normally? |
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| 14:35.26 | Brigo | Guest96363, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756522 |
| 14:35.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/756522 in bumblebee-nvidia (forwarded, fixed-upstream): «bumblebee-nvidia: cannot access secondary gpu - error: Permission denied»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-30; last modified: 2015-05-01. |
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| 14:38.58 | Guest96363 | thanks for your help |
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| 14:51.28 | jontyw | Hello! |
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| 14:52.53 | jontyw | I'm working on a set of debian packages |
| 14:53.18 | jontyw | I have the following tree of dependencies packageA -> packageB -> packageC |
| 14:53.57 | jontyw | packageB has a prerm script that will (in this case) always exit with a non-zero code |
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| 14:54.55 | jontyw | If I apt-get remove packageA, then apt-get autoremove, packageB will fail to remove, however packageC is removed as "removing anyway as you requested" |
| 14:55.06 | jontyw | This seems totally broken to me, as the dependencies are now broken |
| 14:55.14 | jontyw | What can I do to stop this happening? |
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| 14:59.53 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 15:00.28 | Strogg | how come bugzilla isn't in debian any more? |
| 15:02.08 | musca | ,bug rm bugzilla |
| 15:02.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/638705 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: bugzilla -- RoST; open security issues, unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-08-21; last modified: 2011-09-21. |
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| 15:02.39 | tbsaunde | how do I remap the alsa default device now? the files mentioned in the debian wiki page for alsa don't exist in jessie |
| 15:02.45 | abrotman | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669643 |
| 15:02.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/669643 in wnpp (open): «RFP: bugzilla4 -- web-based bug tracking system»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-04-20; last modified: 2014-07-26. |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | Strogg: ^^ |
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| 15:03.54 | Strogg | doesn't know how to parse that |
| 15:04.03 | Strogg | abrotman: it never was in debian? |
| 15:04.22 | Strogg | bz3 got removed and bz4 hasn't been added yet? |
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| 15:05.08 | Strogg | ahhh... nevermind. I se. |
| 15:05.11 | Strogg | see. |
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| 15:07.45 | abrotman | Strogg: bugzilla3 was, 4 was not |
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| 15:08.32 | Strogg | yeah.. I see now. I'm restoring an old system that had bugzilla3 on it. |
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| 15:08.59 | Strogg | guess I'll grab a 3.6.2 tar ball, install, restore, then upgrade 3 -> 4 and 4 -> 5 |
| 15:09.00 | abrotman | ewww |
| 15:09.03 | abrotman | Strogg: Use Mantis? |
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| 15:09.22 | Strogg | ugh... I don't wanna retrain |
| 15:09.37 | DarkMantis | Don't use me :( |
| 15:09.44 | DarkMantis | Oh I'm DarkMantis here |
| 15:09.53 | Strogg | googles mantis for his own personal usage, though |
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| 15:14.22 | Enekk | Right, about my ssh issue. I've sort of narrowed it down |
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| 15:15.00 | Enekk | Sometimes a fresh boot sets my SSH_AUTH_SOCK to /tmp/<random>/agent.pid |
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| 15:15.18 | Enekk | And not the correct /run/user/<uid>/keyring/ssh |
| 15:15.49 | Enekk | I know I could just toss that into my .bashrc to fix the issue, but does anyone know what is pointing it at /tmp? |
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| 15:17.11 | Otyugh | heya |
| 15:17.24 | Otyugh | how to set a env variable for all the system at bootup ? |
| 15:17.32 | Otyugh | .bash_profile seem not to work |
| 15:17.40 | Otyugh | and .bashrc only works into consoles |
| 15:17.50 | Alex149 | Enekk: read /etc/default/tmpfs "/run is always mounted as a tmpfs ..... |
| 15:17.58 | Otyugh | I'm doing "export wathever=x" |
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| 15:18.33 | Enekk | @Alex149 It isn't that it is being mounted as a tmpfs, it is that the variable points to some garbage out in /tmp/ instead of in /run |
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| 15:20.35 | Enekk | Otyugh: Does this answer your question? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117467/how-to-permanently-set-environmental-variables |
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| 15:26.52 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 15:26.54 | DelphiWorld | bash question |
| 15:27.21 | DelphiWorld | i have a commandline that need some multiple lines i wish to get it from a text file |
| 15:27.23 | DelphiWorld | for example |
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| 15:27.45 | DelphiWorld | youtube-upload --title=my movie --describtion=<filename> |
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| 15:27.52 | DelphiWorld | i want to read the describtion from the filename |
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| 15:29.06 | DelphiWorld | level7 is here! |
| 15:29.36 | SynrG | !bash |
| 15:29.36 | dpkg | i guess bash is the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:29.45 | SynrG | also, i didn't hear an actual question. just a problem statement. |
| 15:29.48 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: Lol |
| 15:30.16 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: i want to add a arg but read it from a text file |
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| 15:30.28 | SynrG | so this is how it works, you read documentation, you do what the doc says. |
| 15:30.59 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: if i found my issue i shouldn't ask here |
| 15:31.04 | jelly | DelphiWorld: --description="$(cat file)" _if_ the application supports multiline descriptions, which is not very likely for a random script |
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| 15:32.10 | level7 | hello DelphiWorld :) |
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| 15:32.26 | level7 | sure... I have Debian implemented in various systems |
| 15:32.46 | level7 | DelphiWorld: did you find any good new toy based on Cortex A8 ? :) |
| 15:33.15 | DelphiWorld | thank jelly |
| 15:33.38 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: sure, but an intelligent question might then be "I read the bash man page for how to read stuff from a file and can't find anything there. what am i missing?" something that is at least answerable in a sentence. |
| 15:34.05 | SynrG | i.e. it's not our job to teach you how to script |
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| 15:35.26 | jelly | but yeah, asking in #bash would clear up shell expansion issues like this one |
| 15:35.43 | SynrG | plus there are really multiple ways to do this |
| 15:35.53 | SynrG | it's a longer discussion that's not particularly debian-specific |
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| 15:38.02 | BadCodSmell | W: Failed to fetch http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 15:38.09 | BadCodSmell | I have been getting this for the last few days |
| 15:38.19 | jelly | !hdn |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 15:38.34 | jelly | BadCodSmell: use that instead of cdn.debian.net ^^ |
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| 15:39.34 | jelly | BadCodSmell: (the equivalent for wheezy, of course... just fix the hostname in your existing sources.list lines that refer to cdn.debian.net, don't change to jessie) |
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| 15:40.01 | BadCodSmell | for thousands of machines? |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | BadCodSmell: I'm sure you already have a configuration management system with thousands of machines, so, yes. |
| 15:41.34 | jelly | !cdn.debian.net |
| 15:41.34 | dpkg | The old mirror geo-director service cdn.debian.net has been closed down. Please use <httpredir.debian.org> instead. Hopefully, cdn.debian.net will be pointed towards httpredir.debian.org soon. |
| 15:42.19 | BadCodSmell | no configuration management system until I roll out my own as I never really inherited one |
| 15:42.47 | BadCodSmell | It's odd that I only get this error on one machine. |
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| 15:43.04 | BadCodSmell | I guess the nearest node is dead |
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| 15:43.19 | BadCodSmell | But, if cdn is down, it can't be hard to just change dns... |
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| 15:44.03 | jelly | I have no idea who controls debian.net domain and why they might be taking their sweet time |
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| 15:45.14 | maazu | jelly: hey, i read forums.debian.net |
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| 15:51.18 | sparr | I'm using isc-dhcp-server and it's complaining about "no free leases". My /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file has just one uncommented line, starting with "server-duid". I've tried chmod 777 on that file to no avail. What else might cause this? |
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| 15:54.35 | equa | sparr: you need more ip addresses for your dhcp |
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| 15:58.39 | KingEdgar | WHy doesn't ctrl+shift+u work? |
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| 15:59.15 | petn-randall | KingEdgar: keyboard broken? What do you expect it to do? |
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| 15:59.34 | KingEdgar | unicode 0CA0_0CA0 |
| 15:59.39 | sparr | equa: how can I see what's using the ones I already have? |
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| 16:00.29 | equa | sparr: is your router a dhcp server? another comp? you need to go to the settings and view connected devices or leases |
| 16:01.05 | Enekk | Right, sorry to keep asking about ssh, but here's where I'm at. gnome-keyring-daemon isn't setting any of its variables on /most/ boots. It is running, and manually setting everything makes ssh call it, but I can't figure out why it isn't setting the correct environment variables. This is on a mostly-fresh stretch load |
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| 16:03.02 | sparr | equa: this server is my dhcp server. |
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| 16:03.10 | KingEdgar | http://fsymbols.com/keyboard/linux/unicode/ petn-randall |
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| 16:04.40 | equa | sparr: what are you using for your dhcp server? you can use a net tool that pings the whole network and see which ones are up |
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| 16:05.45 | KingEdgar | like, when i Was on gentoo I don't recall having to set anything up to use ctrl+shift+u to enter that but on debian it seems not to be enabled? |
| 16:05.47 | KingEdgar | :[ |
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| 16:07.15 | petn-randall | KingEdgar: Works fine for me â¡â . :) |
| 16:07.35 | KingEdgar | ._. wtf |
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| 16:08.51 | Otyugh | hey. I want to install a debian system on a USB device |
| 16:08.58 | Otyugh | Is ext2 the most suitable ? |
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| 16:09.13 | Otyugh | (for it not having write intensive journalisation) |
| 16:09.57 | jhutchins | Otyugh: You might visit http://pendrivelinux.com - there is extensive discussion on optimizing linux for a USB drive. |
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| 16:10.52 | Otyugh | jhutchins: usually I'm all for the big answer, but there I just want to go for it, no small answer ? :O |
| 16:10.54 | rVn | From which repo I may install gcc3 on wheezy |
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| 16:11.17 | rVn | I see it from https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/gcc-3.3 |
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| 16:12.29 | SynrG | Otyugh: ext2 is almost always a horrible choie |
| 16:12.32 | SynrG | choice* |
| 16:12.41 | Otyugh | btrfs on jessie is fine ? |
| 16:12.57 | Otyugh | "BTRFS's copy on write method doesn't put as big wearing pressure on the USB as ext3-4 because of its journal." |
| 16:13.00 | SynrG | i use ext4 on my USB devices. *if* there's more wear and tear on the device, i don't care |
| 16:13.10 | SynrG | if it dies sooner, i just replace it |
| 16:13.34 | Otyugh | I just got problems on I/O last time with my installation with apt-get |
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| 16:13.41 | KingEdgar | it doesn't work for me :[ |
| 16:13.43 | SynrG | so far, i've used the same 4G sandisk for years |
| 16:13.44 | Otyugh | so I wish to start over being sure it's not that |
| 16:13.53 | Otyugh | ho, well |
| 16:13.55 | SynrG | always with ext4. never an issue |
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| 16:14.07 | Tau | what is a good gui compression program? |
| 16:14.11 | Otyugh | btrfs is supposed to be the successor in law to ext4, right ? |
| 16:14.21 | Tau | something that supports unpacking tar, rar, tgz etc? |
| 16:14.50 | SynrG | successor according to whom? |
| 16:15.06 | SynrG | i haven't seen the kernel devs rush to adopt it as default |
| 16:15.10 | Otyugh | "Btrfs, which can be pronounced as âButter FSâ, âBetter FSâ, or âB-Tree FSâ, is a file system made completely from scratch." Never mind |
| 16:15.21 | sparr | equa: isc-dhcp-server on debian |
| 16:15.23 | Otyugh | this is not a successor :D |
| 16:15.40 | SynrG | Otyugh: your subtle use of language has lost me, then |
| 16:15.48 | SynrG | i don't think "successor in law" is a thing |
| 16:15.54 | Otyugh | oops |
| 16:15.58 | Otyugh | yup it is not |
| 16:16.16 | Otyugh | just forget about it, I'm sorry :S |
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| 16:16.43 | SynrG | Tau: um, xarchiver? |
| 16:16.54 | fennesz | Hello guys ! I am using debian 8 x64 . Is there I can install Debian classic desktop environment? |
| 16:17.16 | SynrG | Tau: even handles 7z and rar |
| 16:17.33 | fennesz | should I : sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback ? |
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| 16:18.20 | SynrG | fennesz: i'm unsure if that really approximates the "classic" desktop environment look and feel |
| 16:18.51 | fennesz | SynrG, so what would be a way? |
| 16:19.02 | SynrG | fennesz: there are two projects created as different ways to address "we hate gnome3". one is cinnamon (which I prefer, as it looks nice and is based on gnome3 codebase) and the other is mate. |
| 16:19.09 | fennesz | i go it from this : http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-gnome-classic-desktop-in-ubuntu-14-04/ |
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| 16:19.30 | SynrG | but mate is nursing along the legacy gnome2 codebase which i think is a horrible idea |
| 16:19.55 | fennesz | yes cinnamon looks nice |
| 16:20.04 | SynrG | then there's xfce4, which has no gnome heritage, looks smart, and has reasonable resource usage for older systems |
| 16:20.13 | SynrG | i use that on systems where cinnamon really isn't suitable |
| 16:20.25 | rVn | Anyonne able to help me about myu gcc3 problm Please? |
| 16:20.27 | SynrG | for the super low resource needs of old netbooks, i use lxde |
| 16:20.48 | SynrG | so, plenty of options :) |
| 16:21.05 | SynrG | fennesz: you might want to sample the live images at http://www.debian.org/CD/live to try these each in turn |
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| 16:23.26 | fennesz | SynrG, is cinnamon lighter than the default gnome3? |
| 16:23.28 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.37 | equa | sparr: have you done the ping test on your dhcp range? this link might be useful https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server |
| 16:24.13 | SynrG | fennesz: i don't know if 'light' is amongst their goals. and i've not assessed it on that basis. |
| 16:24.23 | fennesz | ok |
| 16:24.33 | SynrG | for the most part i run systems with adequate resources |
| 16:24.42 | SynrG | so i'm not really looking for 'light' vs. 'heavy' |
| 16:24.47 | SynrG | i'm looking for 'functional' :) |
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| 16:24.52 | SynrG | and pretty |
| 16:25.22 | fennesz | SynrG, cinnamon looks promising |
| 16:25.29 | fennesz | should I follow this : https://computerobz.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/install-cinnamon-or-mate-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 16:25.35 | SynrG | cinnamon scores the highest marks for functional + pretty in my books. with xfce4 a close second. gnome-shell third. the others after that |
| 16:26.00 | AWeSomeAo | If I install a package via -t unstable (lowest priority via apt pinning), will it be updated once it is updated in unstable, or will it be updated once it is updated in stable? |
| 16:26.19 | SynrG | i'm particularly happy with xfce4 lately after scrapping the default menu system and installing whisker instead. |
| 16:26.25 | SynrG | very cinnamon-y in look-and-feel |
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| 16:27.32 | SynrG | but i'm also delighted that i can still use lxde (stripped down of non-essentials, like i don't start pcmanfm by default, but use udisks-glue to automount devices as needed) on an aging 2G ram netbook |
| 16:27.32 | KingEdgar | I think XFCE4 and KDE4 are the best DEs |
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| 16:27.58 | SynrG | it doesn't score as high marks for functional or pretty, though |
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| 16:34.20 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.24 | Tau | and is not cli. |
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| 16:36.06 | SynrG | Tau: in a desktop? why do you hate gtk? |
| 16:36.32 | SynrG | there's lxqt, but it's not ready yet :) that is neither dependent on gtk nor kde |
| 16:36.48 | SynrG | (note, qt is not kde, even though it's a component of kde) |
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| 16:37.27 | SynrG | Tau: if you're looking for "just a wm" there are plenty of those. but i don't use anything like that anymore. |
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| 16:38.07 | SynrG | if you're into tiling window managers, there is xmonad, for example |
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| 16:39.00 | fennesz | SynrG, should I go with https://computerobz.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/install-cinnamon-or-mate-on-debian-wheezy/? |
| 16:39.02 | SynrG | also, openbox isn't based on gtk. it uses glib, which is a *component* of gtk, but that's not gtk itself |
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| 16:40.05 | SynrG | fennesz: absolutely not. didn't you say you're on debian 8? |
| 16:40.11 | SynrG | !install cinnamon |
| 16:40.11 | dpkg | To install <Cinnamon> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment». To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Cinnamon" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 16:40.15 | SynrG | !install mate |
| 16:40.16 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 16:40.30 | SynrG | fennesz: these are *in* debian 8. i wouldn't be recommending third-party stuff |
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| 16:40.59 | fennesz | what do you mean "in" debian 8 . Are these preinstalled |
| 16:41.01 | fennesz | ? |
| 16:41.16 | SynrG | no. i mean, in our archives. can be installed by the installer. |
| 16:41.38 | SynrG | if you installed the default desktop, you have gnome3 |
| 16:41.44 | fennesz | so ? |
| 16:41.49 | SynrG | but you had a choice at install time which you did not exercise ... |
| 16:41.54 | SynrG | to install an "alternate desktop" |
| 16:41.59 | SynrG | cinnamon and mate are among those choices. |
| 16:42.13 | SynrG | or after the fact, you can install them as per the instructions the dpkg bot gave above. |
| 16:43.14 | fennesz | so apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment ? |
| 16:43.25 | SynrG | that would do it, yes. |
| 16:43.27 | fennesz | I dont want to install debian all over again |
| 16:43.34 | SynrG | that's the same metapackage the debian installer would have installed for you |
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| 16:44.05 | SynrG | afterwards, if you like it better than gnome, you may wish to clean up some of the gnome stuff (though i don't know of a single command that will do a thorough job) |
| 16:44.42 | SynrG | caveat, this is a very old factoid and may not be right for current gnome3: |
| 16:44.47 | SynrG | !uninstall gnome |
| 16:44.47 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 16:44.50 | DAL|Droid | Is there a major difference between Whezey & Debian 8? |
| 16:45.04 | SynrG | i'm pretty sure that's will be a messy proposition on a cinnamon system |
| 16:45.15 | fennesz | SynrG, this is about GNOME 2.x |
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| 16:45.32 | fennesz | isn't it gnome 3 on debian 8 ? |
| 16:45.34 | SynrG | fennesz: er, yes. but i mean, the corresponding gnome3-ish packages :) |
| 16:45.37 | SynrG | yes, it is |
| 16:45.45 | SynrG | so i have no idea what those are |
| 16:45.59 | SynrG | also, just nuking everything with "gnome" in the name won't work either |
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| 16:46.50 | SynrG | have a look at "apt-cache show cinnamon-desktop-environment". there are gnome-ish things in there (no big suprise, considering its heritage) |
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| 16:47.38 | SynrG | so you'll just have to do your best, starting with the top-level gnome metapackages, then mopping up other things that don't look needed anymore |
| 16:47.39 | fennesz | can I install cinnamon on top , so I have both ? |
| 16:47.48 | SynrG | you can. there's no harm in that. |
| 16:47.56 | fennesz | without removing gnome 2 |
| 16:47.58 | SynrG | and i encourage it during the evaluation period anyway |
| 16:48.00 | fennesz | I mean 3 |
| 16:48.03 | SynrG | yup |
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| 16:48.35 | fennesz | SynrG, ok let me try apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment |
| 16:48.54 | SynrG | ok. just cautioning i'm heading out for errands soon, but there are many other capable helpers here |
| 16:49.17 | fennesz | Thank you very much SynrG , I appreciate it |
| 16:50.01 | DAL|Droid | ... What the hades is this default DE on 8?! |
| 16:50.02 | fennesz | one more thing |
| 16:50.18 | fennesz | SynrG, after install how do I enable it ? |
| 16:50.20 | equa | DAL|Droid: default is gnome |
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| 16:51.20 | SynrG | fennesz: at the greeter window (graphical login prompt) you should be able to switch sessions |
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| 16:51.28 | fennesz | ok |
| 16:51.36 | SynrG | you'll find a menu there of available sessions. cinnamon will be added to that list. |
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| 16:51.43 | fennesz | so I guess a log off should suffice |
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| 16:52.06 | SynrG | yep. log off. enter your username. select your session. enter your password and login under new session |
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| 16:52.18 | SynrG | i believe session preference is saved per user, so you need to enter user first. |
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| 16:53.42 | fennesz | ok Thank you ! |
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| 16:54.22 | fennesz | SynrG, nope no option with log off |
| 16:54.23 | colonolGron | i am trying to compile https://github.com/jubalh/nudoku but get http://pastebin.com/9N0fjvqX it looks like ncurses is not isntalled, but i installed it, also the -dev of course. any ideas? |
| 16:54.48 | equa | fennesz: session option at the upper right |
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| 16:55.40 | fennesz | Just logged off SynrG no option there ... |
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| 16:56.11 | r-x-w- | Question: why does the command $ sudo find /home/www-data/ -type f -name 'wp-config.php' return results, but the same command with the path set to /home/ returns zip, nada, nothing. |
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| 16:56.38 | SynrG | fennesz: maybe gdm3 needs to be restarted, then |
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| 16:56.48 | SynrG | fennesz: no cinnamon amongst the sessions? |
| 16:56.52 | SynrG | fennesz: or no 'sessions' |
| 16:57.00 | SynrG | fennesz: i think it's a subtle 'gear' icon or something |
| 16:57.12 | SynrG | as i said, after you select the user to login as |
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| 16:57.30 | equa | fennesz: yes it's that gear icon to the rigth of your username |
| 16:57.38 | SynrG | easy to miss |
| 16:57.41 | fennesz | let me check |
| 16:57.44 | fennesz | thank you |
| 16:57.50 | SynrG | np |
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| 16:58.51 | Drev_Mobile | does anyone have any ideas on where to start troubleshooting nfs for debian 8? I have two identical machines, with the same hardware and software. One works fine, the other, when connected to the same network port, experiences read and write latency of up to ten minutes for the same nfs shares. I have reinstalled debian several times, and I have tried several different network ports. |
| 16:59.13 | fennesz | yes worked fine ! fonts changed? |
| 16:59.58 | petn-randall | Drev_Mobile: NFS v3 or v4? I've seen problems with NFS in the past, they're not new to jessie. :/ |
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| 17:00.30 | fennesz | also there is an option cinnamon (software render ) what might that be ? |
| 17:00.35 | Drev_Mobile | petn-randall, v3 |
| 17:00.58 | Drev_Mobile | do you think switching to v4 would help? |
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| 17:10.03 | fennesz | I think cinnamon w?orks less smooth than gnome 3 am I right |
| 17:10.06 | fennesz | ? |
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| 17:10.40 | trysten | so.. i'm trying to get the initscripts to work. i filled out /etc/init.d/skeleton with the appropiate information |
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| 17:10.59 | trysten | it doesn't do anything. is there a better or more elegant way to auto-start something at reboot? |
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| 17:13.08 | equa | trysten: crontab @reboot? |
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| 17:17.18 | trysten | equa well dang. think i can use the user crontab? |
| 17:17.33 | tomivs | Hey everybody |
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| 17:18.28 | equa | trysten: as long as the script doesn't require superuser |
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| 17:24.08 | fennesz | Guys how can I monitor hw temperatures in Debian 8 ? |
| 17:24.14 | fennesz | lm-sensors ? |
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| 17:26.13 | tomivs | I'm trying to burn a DVD using Brasero, but I get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/280280/ |
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| 17:28.29 | tbsaunde | what can cause aplay: set_params:1239: Channels count non available ? |
| 17:28.58 | tomivs | http://uploadpie.com/H8IyJ |
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| 17:33.29 | Raazeer | hi all. |
| 17:33.38 | tomivs | Raazeer, Hi :) |
| 17:34.09 | Raazeer | I've got some trouble installing software lately, I always get version conflicts since upgrading to jessie. |
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| 17:34.50 | Raazeer | it's getting so I can't install anything at all. |
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| 17:35.19 | Raazeer | I'd be thankful for any idea you care to share. |
| 17:35.41 | centrx | Raazeer, What does your sources.list look like (paste.debian.net) |
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| 17:36.41 | Raazeer | centrx, coming right up... |
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| 17:38.37 | Raazeer | centrx, http://paste.debian.net/280282/ |
| 17:38.43 | Raazeer | it looks pretty standard to me. |
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| 17:39.12 | centrx | Raazeer, http://packages.linuxmint.com |
| 17:39.30 | Raazeer | centrx, no good? |
| 17:39.30 | centrx | Raazeer, That would cause problems, you might now be using a Debian/Mint Frankendebian hybrid |
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| 17:39.36 | centrx | Raazeer, That's a different distro |
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| 17:40.22 | Raazeer | centrx, ok, I can see where that might be a problem... |
| 17:40.49 | Raazeer | strange, I'm positive I got it from a site catering specifically to _debian_ systems... |
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| 17:41.54 | Raazeer | centrx, is mint generally ahead of or behind debian? |
| 17:42.00 | Raazeer | version-wise? |
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| 17:42.28 | BluesKaj | Raazeer, there are sites which do link up to sources like mint to add their sources packages for some apps but there is usually a warning about breakage upon upgrades |
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| 17:43.53 | Raazeer | BluesKaj, I don't remember the site quite _that_ clearly. |
| 17:44.31 | centrx | Raazeer, Mint has a faster release cycle |
| 17:44.52 | Raazeer | centrx, that's probably it then. |
| 17:44.57 | BluesKaj | Raazeer, i was juat looking at one for firefox |
| 17:45.03 | BluesKaj | err just |
| 17:45.06 | Raazeer | I'm seeing a lot of packages with too high a version. |
| 17:45.34 | BluesKaj | but I think the weasel will have to do |
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| 17:46.33 | fanz | ciao |
| 17:46.41 | Raazeer | ok, so I have to downgrade half my system or wait until debian overtakes again... |
| 17:46.55 | Raazeer | with the immortal words of homer simpson: D'OH! |
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| 17:50.12 | Raazeer | ok, I guess downgrade it is. |
| 17:50.54 | Raazeer | is there a quick and easy way to find all the packages/versions that aren't in the current repos any more? |
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| 17:54.58 | Hazuki | can someone help me with the wl (broadcom proprietary) wifi driver? I followed the wiki instructions, lsmod shows it, but the wlan0 device doesn't show up |
| 17:56.10 | Raazeer | ok, I just downgraded libc. I'm not sure wether I should try to reboot or spare myself the pain and reinstall right away. |
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| 17:56.28 | equa | Hazuki: pci or usb? |
| 17:57.21 | Hazuki | equa: internal device, PCI ID is 14e4:4312 i believe |
| 17:57.30 | Hazuki | bcm4311 device |
| 17:59.00 | Hazuki | as per wiki: none of ssb, b44, b43, b43legacy are loaded. iwconfig and wicd/wicd-gtk are in |
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| 18:01.35 | equa | Hazuki: have you installed firmware-b43-installer ? |
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| 18:04.04 | Hazuki | equa: no, didn't know i had to...this may actually fic it. someone should edit the wiki... |
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| 18:04.25 | equa | Hazuki: here is a better guide https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 18:04.37 | djshotglass | i cant install screen |
| 18:04.48 | djshotglass | keeps trying to get it from cdrom lol |
| 18:05.03 | djshotglass | is the package name 'screen'? |
| 18:05.14 | Hazuki | equa: will try a reboot now...thank you <3 |
| 18:05.16 | equa | djshotglass: disable it from your source |
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| 18:05.44 | equa | ,v screen |
| 18:05.45 | judd | Package: screen on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.0.3-14; wheezy: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7; jessie: 4.2.1-3; stretch: 4.3.1-1; sid: 4.3.1-1 |
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| 18:06.09 | head8debian | djshotglass: Your repos are still pointed to the CD then. |
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| 18:06.17 | head8debian | Yes, GNU screen. |
| 18:06.23 | head8debian | 'screen'. :p |
| 18:06.32 | dingist | what is the best security practice to encrypt mail ? |
| 18:06.37 | dingist | like /var/log |
| 18:06.40 | dingist | err mail sorry |
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| 18:07.21 | jelly | djshotglass: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:07.23 | greycat | mutt has hooks to GPG- or PGP-encrypt your outgoing messages if you have the recipient's public key. |
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| 18:07.38 | dingist | no i mean just regular |
| 18:07.41 | greycat | It's probably too complex of a topic for #debian, though. |
| 18:07.41 | dingist | ecryptfs-utils? |
| 18:07.44 | dingist | gnu? |
| 18:07.58 | dingist | like encrypting all of /var/mail |
| 18:08.00 | greycat | I don't have the slightest clue what you mean by "regular". |
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| 18:08.11 | dingist | I'm talking about encrypting everybody's inbox |
| 18:08.21 | dingist | in /var/mail what is the best approach? |
| 18:08.28 | greycat | Are you talking about encrypting a whole file system so it's only readable when the system is booted, not when someone steals the hard drive? |
| 18:08.32 | dingist | say if it gets compromised or something |
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| 18:08.42 | dingist | i guess |
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| 18:09.02 | dingist | it's on a vps, but I'm concerned it may get compromised |
| 18:09.10 | dingist | so I'm figuring out a way to encrypt it |
| 18:09.13 | jelly | dingist: compromised by who or what? a clear threat definition? |
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| 18:09.25 | dingist | somebody who finds a vulnerability and gains root |
| 18:09.32 | dingist | so it cannot be read by root just the user itself |
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| 18:09.44 | eschmidbauer__ | Can i use apt-get to download the .deb files? |
| 18:09.54 | djshotglass | http://paste.debian.net/280287/ |
| 18:09.55 | jelly | dingist: that's pretty much impossible, since root can become that user. |
| 18:10.05 | djshotglass | i commented out the cd still wont get the package |
| 18:10.16 | dingist | well, I'm referring to encrypted password or something |
| 18:10.28 | jelly | djshotglass: you're missing a line for main mirrors |
| 18:10.31 | dingist | but then i don't know how root would deal with sending mail to that user |
| 18:10.34 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:10.34 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:10.41 | jaybe | dingist, you'd have to allow access to the [de]crypted data, at some point, to function... so... you're attempting to solve an unsolvable puzzle. physical access to the machine and or root access *is* access |
| 18:10.44 | Azrael_- | i'm using curier-imap with outlook. if i use the junk filter of outlook and mark an email not as spam, then the email is properly moved to the inbox but the id of the email-file completely changes. is this normal? why does this happen? any ideas? |
| 18:10.49 | jelly | djshotglass: ^^ the first one mentioned |
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| 18:10.58 | dingist | ah |
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| 18:11.55 | jelly | djshotglass: whike you're at it, replace ftp.debian.org in jessie-updates lines with httpredir.debian.org as well (as per the third line dpkg mentioned) |
| 18:12.10 | dingist | just one last question is it best to store in /var/mail or user's home dir? |
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| 18:12.12 | djshotglass | ty jelly |
| 18:12.54 | greycat | dingist: that's a subjective policy decision |
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| 18:13.12 | djshotglass | http://paste.debian.net/280288/ |
| 18:14.05 | jaybe | dingist, up to you; in general- and often- admins like to segregate such data on partition(s) for ease of backup, config, move, etc. ... and or quota reasons... and to avoid filling [main] file system with spam/mail/whatever |
| 18:14.08 | jelly | dingist: it depends. the .mbox format used in /var/mail is considered unwieldy, and many admins prefer storing with maildir format under $HOME/Maildir/; however that means some extra configuration in your smtp and imap services. |
| 18:14.08 | djshotglass | http://paste.debian.net/280289/ |
| 18:15.23 | jelly | djshotglass: that's fine, now do "apt update" and you ought to have screen available for installation. You can verify available versions from repos you configured with: apt-cache policy screen |
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| 18:15.48 | djshotglass | :) ty |
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| 18:21.56 | Raazeer | ok, I think I've uninstalled roundabout half my system. |
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| 18:39.41 | DAL|Work | Will horrible awful terrible things happen to Jessie if I add Wheezy to source.list? Or will it only break everything ever if I replace all the jessie entries? |
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| 18:40.08 | greycat | the wheezy entries will basically be ignored |
| 18:40.16 | greycat | unless you specify -t wheezy |
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| 18:44.06 | fennesz | Guys I am using lm-sensors for the first time . Should I answer "yes" to the all questions asked ? is this safe? |
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| 18:46.24 | DAL|Work | greycat:even if there's not a package for Jessie yet? |
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| 18:46.43 | greycat | Oh, well in that case I guess it would attempt to use the wheezy package if the requirements can be met. |
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| 18:49.12 | DAL|Work | greycat:Thanks. Have a dev asking for wheezy specifically & I can't get it to see the damn disk drives during the installer. |
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| 18:58.41 | aryklein | why the official debian jessie image for openstack was made in a ext3 instead of ext4???? |
| 18:59.03 | aryklein | any good reason? |
| 18:59.41 | rozie | aryklein: which one is 'official jessie for openstack'? |
| 19:01.20 | aryklein | rozie: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/8.1.0/ |
| 19:02.29 | aryklein | rozie: http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_obtaining_images.html#debian-images |
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| 19:07.51 | rozie | aryklein: OK, must have missed the moment they became official (and there may be other) |
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| 19:08.47 | aryklein | rozie: who missed? you? |
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| 19:08.54 | rozie | yep |
| 19:08.57 | aryklein | ok |
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| 19:09.36 | aryklein | anyway I think ext3 is legacy. They should use ext4 for openstack |
| 19:09.38 | rozie | I see no point in using ext3. I'm pretty sure it was ext4 last time I saw it |
| 19:10.13 | rozie | but it could be testing |
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| 19:10.32 | rozie | try to report a bug for this |
| 19:10.42 | aryklein | ok |
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| 19:18.24 | user__ | I am looking for a cheap atmel avr evaluation board to burn with avrdude code that is compiled with gcc-avr. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:19.11 | jhutchins | aryklein: ext 1 & 2 are "legacy". ext3 is still around for good reason. |
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| 19:21.11 | aryklein | jhutchins: and why they are using ext3 for openstack image? |
| 19:21.24 | aryklein | and not ext4? compatibility? |
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| 19:26.12 | acz32 | AMD graphics cards are easier to set up with debian than nvidia right? |
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| 19:26.42 | jhutchins | aryklein: Compatibility, the tendency for tools and utilities to lag a bit when new standards are implemented, ext4 has additional overhead. |
| 19:26.43 | welpo | How can I troubleshoot on of my scripts not doing anything at all through crontab? (No mail with errors, nothing) |
| 19:26.47 | welpo | one of my* |
| 19:26.59 | welpo | Is there a place where errors are logged, that isn't mail? |
| 19:27.05 | jhutchins | welpo: Add logging & progress statements. |
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| 19:27.18 | DAL|Work | Someone want to explain to me why it's so damn hard to kill Xorg? >.< |
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| 19:28.34 | greycat | welpo: I get CRON logs for each job in /var/log/syslog |
| 19:29.15 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: In what context? |
| 19:29.20 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 19:29.24 | greycat | I never understood why it writes /USR/SBIN/CRON when that's not the actual pathname, but ... oh well. |
| 19:29.30 | welpo | I don't have sudo permission, just user so I can't see that file |
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| 19:29.50 | greycat | oh for fuck's sake |
| 19:29.56 | welpo | I made the script touch ~/"$(date)" and it is indeed running, so I have to figure out where it's failing |
| 19:30.02 | greycat | OK. Good. |
| 19:30.14 | DAL|Work | jhutchins:I tried Ctrl+Alt+backspace which did nothing. Then I tried killall Xorg & it respawned |
| 19:30.37 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: You need to shut down the dm, usually gdm. |
| 19:30.39 | greycat | DAL|Work: because you installed gnome or something, right? |
| 19:30.47 | DAL|Work | Listing service states got me the info I needed though: services gdm3 stop |
| 19:30.56 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: Although there might be some new systemd foolishness. |
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| 19:31.21 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: Disabling Ctrl-Alt-Backspace has been the default for several years now. |
| 19:31.30 | DAL|Work | I was annoyed there wasn't an option in Gnome to drop to a TTY login |
| 19:31.38 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: You either need an xorg.conf or a recompile to fix it. |
| 19:32.04 | jhutchins | DAL|Work: Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] |
| 19:32.19 | DAL|Work | jhutchins:yea, I keep trying it out of reflex cause I did it so many times when Nvidia decided to pull an AMD with the Linux drivers. |
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| 19:32.54 | DAL|Work | jhutchins:I needed to kill GDM/Xorg to install the Nvidia drivers |
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| 19:33.10 | greycat | stopping gdm3 (in your case) is exactly the right way |
| 19:33.13 | valdyn | DAL|Work: you didnt need to |
| 19:33.21 | valdyn | DAL|Work: obviously you chose to |
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| 19:33.50 | DAL|Work | I am slightly annoyed that Xorg doesn't count as a service to get the same effect |
| 19:33.54 | valdyn | DAL|Work: nvidias installer has a flag for that (and debians packages dont even care) |
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| 19:34.33 | docmur | Are there any pre-existing "killswitch" solutions for disabling / enabling a boot on a debian server from a web interface. Ideally I would like to prevent developing one myself |
| 19:34.57 | DAL|Work | valdyn:Wait, it has a flag to kill Xorg? |
| 19:35.03 | valdyn | docmur: what would be the point of that? |
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| 19:35.28 | valdyn | DAL|Work: a flag to install despite X running, that does not kill X at all |
| 19:35.32 | greycat | valdyn: "to make it easier to be hacked"? |
| 19:35.41 | docmur | So I could disable debian servers in my network from the web ..... |
| 19:36.04 | greycat | why the hell would you want to disable your servers from a web browser |
| 19:36.08 | valdyn | docmur: we already knew that killing kills, but whats the point of it |
| 19:36.33 | greycat | s/ from a web browser// |
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| 19:37.00 | docmur | I have servers that in certain circumstances I want to prevent from booting, for instance if I give a client a server and they don't pay there bill, prevent it from booting at there site |
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| 19:37.39 | greycat | ... |
| 19:37.55 | valdyn | docmur: thats illegal here |
| 19:37.57 | DAL|Work | valdyn:Derp. I'll be in the shame corner. |
| 19:38.01 | greycat | I don't think I am comfortable answering this any further. This is bordering on illegal. |
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| 19:38.47 | docmur | That is 100% not illegal in any possible way, if I give a client a server and they lease service from me, then I have every right to cut it off if they don't pay |
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| 19:38.58 | valdyn | docmur: not here |
| 19:39.14 | DAL|Work | Technically not paying for services rendered is illegal as well. Still, it's a dick move to disable their stuff. |
| 19:39.19 | docmur | well I don't know where you live but in Canada it's not illegal |
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| 19:39.45 | valdyn | docmur: we do have restrictions on what you can put in a contract for that contract to be valid |
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| 19:40.43 | aryklein | jhutchins: I didn't know that. I thought ext4 has better performance than ext3 |
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| 19:41.52 | letsfindout | anyone know how the gnome-power-manager package works? after installing it, I see no difference. There doesn't seem to be a command to run it and there's nothing new in the gnome settings |
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| 19:42.43 | valdyn | letsfindout: read the package description |
| 19:43.12 | letsfindout | I have. Where are the "some settings"? I don't see em |
| 19:43.51 | letsfindout | power settings look identical to pre-install |
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| 19:43.58 | olivier_1 | plop |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | letsfindout: you run gnome-control-center and click on "Power" |
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| 19:44.49 | letsfindout | valdyn: all the settings in there I had before install gnome-power-manager |
| 19:44.55 | hexnewbie | letsfindout: Anoter thing I like to do to find what a package I just installed does is `dpkg -L <package>'. It seems that your package doesn't do anything. |
| 19:44.56 | letsfindout | it seems the package does nothing? |
| 19:45.05 | valdyn | letsfindout: the settings there should do nothing when the daemon is not install and/or not running |
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| 19:45.18 | jhutchins | aryklein: That's an "it depends" thing. Small files, small filesystem, ext3 can be better. |
| 19:45.32 | jhutchins | docmur: What's wrong with ssh? |
| 19:45.45 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 19:45.45 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 19:46.18 | hexnewbie | letsfindout: You can check if those XMLs it installs do something, but other than them, it only installs a statistics binary and translations. |
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| 19:50.13 | valdyn | so the package description is false, and gpm actual main features were integreated into the settings daemon or whatever |
| 19:50.34 | letsfindout | looks that way |
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| 19:50.42 | letsfindout | seems it only gives you some power statistics |
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| 20:11.54 | asasmita | Hi guys :) |
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| 20:21.15 | _abc_ | Hello. I installed wheezy for a friend, she has trouble with f*book videos. Is fb known to work okay on debian + iceweasel + gnash? Because we also have network problems on and off. |
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| 20:22.53 | asasmita | Hi, I have a question, if i compile apache and openssl from source with ./configure + make + make install. where can I see the prefix that I last time have used? thx before :) |
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| 20:23.30 | greycat | if you still have the source directory, try reading config.log |
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| 20:23.49 | asasmita | yes I still have the source directory, thx greycat :) |
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| 20:28.04 | xhoch3 | heyho, where can I get help for packaging a deb? Ie someone helping a poor developer to get everything packaged correctly? |
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| 20:28.34 | jhutchins | xhoch3: For personal use or are you planning to contribute? |
| 20:29.02 | xhoch3 | I created a free software application |
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| 20:29.35 | xhoch3 | I just want to make it available to the public without the people needing to compile it themselves, ie. via apt-get |
| 20:29.49 | greycat | !packaging |
| 20:29.50 | dpkg | See http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for information on how to package for Debian. Also ask me about <nmg> <package basics> <policy> <mentors> and <best practices>. |
| 20:29.59 | deepy | xhoch3: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 20:31.19 | xhoch3 | ok, I am really busy developing free software, I hoped I could get a contact that just looks at the sources, tells me to put this here and that there, so that I can move on |
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| 20:32.22 | xhoch3 | I tried before myself, don't worry, but I feel packaging is like an own field profession, and the more people you ask the more different answers you get |
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| 20:36.25 | gunter | can anyone tell me why the (local) mail that is sent to root instead goes to the first user? |
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| 20:37.42 | greycat | That's normal configuration -- root's mail is usually forwarded to the system admininstrator. |
| 20:38.42 | gunter | where is the configuration for that behavior. i can change that right? |
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| 20:43.27 | greycat | gunter: edit /etc/aliases but then I'm not sure what command you have to use to make it take effect, if any |
| 20:43.42 | gunter | thank you |
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| 20:45.15 | jhutchins | newalias |
| 20:45.39 | jhutchins | or simetimes newaliases - use tab completion. |
| 20:45.53 | greycat | they should have put that in the comment at the top of it :( |
| 20:46.09 | greycat | what the hell is the point of a comment that says "/etc/aliases" in a file named /etc/aliases? |
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| 20:49.11 | jhutchins | greycat: CentOS(RH) has a much more elaborate file and instructions. |
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| 20:50.05 | greycat | Elaborate sounds scary. Just one line that says "Run newaliases after editing me." would be perfect. |
| 20:50.10 | _abc_ | Hello. I installed wheezy for a friend, she has trouble with f*book videos. Is fb known to work okay on debian + iceweasel + gnash? Because we also have network problems on and off. |
| 20:50.27 | greycat | Or maybe a second line that says which man page to read for the syntax. |
| 20:50.33 | _abc_ | Also is the current Adobe / Hacking Team affecting the gnash version which is distributed with Debian? |
| 20:50.59 | _abc_ | *the current exploit |
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| 20:52.24 | Drev_Mobile | so I'm trying to share a printer from debian. Whenever I tick the 'sgared' option in system-config-printer, it unchecks itself. Any ideas why? |
| 20:52.43 | r6ku | if you're worried about flash vulnerabilities then tell her not to watch facebook videos |
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| 20:54.38 | letsfindout | does facebook not have a html5 player yet? |
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| 20:55.14 | letsfindout | it's probably pretty unlikely that an exploit that works against adobe flash would work against gnash |
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| 20:58.01 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:58.02 | Azrael_- | i'm using curier-imap with outlook. if i use the junk filter of outlook and mark an email not as spam, then the email is properly moved to the inbox but the id of the email-file completely changes. is this normal? why does this happen? any ideas? |
| 20:58.34 | _abc_ | r6ku: : That is a brilliant answer wrt tell her. Do you also do cat taming? |
| 20:58.38 | _abc_ | </thanks> |
| 20:59.35 | _abc_ | letsfindout: I don't know. And I don't care. She cares. I hope iceweasel does html5 |
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| 20:59.58 | letsfindout | _abc_: seems like a good answer to me |
| 21:00.14 | letsfindout | iceweasel does html5 |
| 21:00.18 | _abc_ | ok |
| 21:00.41 | _abc_ | Then the next question is, why does she complain. Sigh. I do not fave f*book account(s) and I do not plan to have any. |
| 21:00.42 | letsfindout | if she cares more about facebook videos than flash vulnerabilities, then install flash? |
| 21:00.47 | letsfindout | if not, don't install flash? |
| 21:00.47 | _abc_ | Will have to dig deeper. |
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| 21:01.00 | _abc_ | letsfindout: it's gnash, not flash (Adobe) |
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| 21:01.10 | letsfindout | yeah, but you said gnash wasn't working |
| 21:01.16 | r6ku | the last release of gnash was over 4 years ago, if it doesn't work and there's no html5 player for facebook then you're just going to have to install flash |
| 21:01.19 | letsfindout | dunno if gnash can play facebook videos or not |
| 21:02.04 | letsfindout | shumway could be possible, but I've never really used it and it's still pretty early in development I believe |
| 21:02.10 | letsfindout | basically converts flash to html5 |
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| 21:02.45 | _abc_ | It has to work out of the box on her system, I can't edit things for her on the fly. |
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| 21:03.00 | letsfindout | it's a firefox plugin or extension or something |
| 21:03.18 | letsfindout | like I said though, I dunno if it would even work |
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| 21:03.21 | _abc_ | I know but it is not simple to use. |
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| 21:04.38 | letsfindout | lol well, likely then you'll have to choose one between non-free vulnerable flash and facebook videos |
| 21:05.29 | letsfindout | you could install flash and have it set to "ask to activate" then only activate it for facebook videos |
| 21:05.43 | letsfindout | and it would avoid most issues, assuming you trust facebook |
| 21:06.34 | AvatarA | if you want simple solution go with chrome for debian |
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| 21:10.30 | _abc_ | AvatarA: I might try that, interesting. |
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| 21:10.50 | _abc_ | Of course all privacy will be shot to all hell but hey, for some people , f*book IS the internet. |
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| 21:11.01 | _abc_ | Funny I wasn't asked if it can be 'downloaded' yet. |
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| 21:11.08 | greycat | why do you mistype facebook? |
| 21:11.34 | _abc_ | the star stands for 'art' not 'ace' |
| 21:11.39 | _abc_ | brb |
| 21:11.45 | _abc_ | (I hate that place) |
| 21:12.08 | xhoch3 | hate is not good, I have seen a problem being solved by hate |
| 21:12.12 | xhoch3 | never* |
| 21:12.58 | letsfindout | going to chrome to to protect against flash vulnerabilities is like trading one type of slavery for another kind lol |
| 21:13.21 | xhoch3 | letsfindout, do you own a smartphone? |
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| 21:13.26 | letsfindout | no |
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| 21:13.49 | AvatarA | I know the problem with "some people" :P and it's not worth trying to give them a "clean" system like you would get for yourself |
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| 21:14.15 | xhoch3 | letsfindout, ah, you're living in the trees, got it :P |
| 21:14.31 | letsfindout | hahaha, you thought you got me with that question, huh? |
| 21:14.36 | letsfindout | no cigar |
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| 21:15.20 | AvatarA | letsfindout, I know, I don't use chrome |
| 21:15.40 | xhoch3 | hell, I am very strict free software supporter, I live vegan |
| 21:15.44 | AvatarA | wish I could get rid of Ubuntu too |
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| 21:15.54 | xhoch3 | but the more I get to know I see that the world isn't ideal |
| 21:16.11 | letsfindout | dunno if free software and vegan are really related lol |
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| 21:16.19 | letsfindout | but I see your point |
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| 21:16.27 | xhoch3 | ye, kind of, they're both idealistic |
| 21:16.35 | AvatarA | no program open and I see my WiFi connection blinking and then I see connections open in netstat |
| 21:16.39 | xhoch3 | but even my laptop isn't vegan |
| 21:16.55 | AvatarA | that's when I knew it's bye bye Ubuntu |
| 21:17.07 | xhoch3 | electronics contain animals |
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| 21:17.20 | letsfindout | xhoch3: did not know that, interesting... |
| 21:17.28 | letsfindout | maybe I'll bring that up with a vegan next time I run into one |
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| 21:17.32 | letsfindout | and see how they react lol |
| 21:17.52 | xhoch3 | the copper.. you need animal bones in the electrolysis process |
| 21:18.12 | xhoch3 | so it is pure enough for electronic circuits |
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| 21:18.43 | letsfindout | AvatarA: when ubuntu sent local searches to amazon or whoever by default, it made it obvious that they canonical shouldn't be trusted |
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| 21:19.06 | xhoch3 | I like Canonical |
| 21:19.15 | AvatarA | I find that less upsetting then what I stumbled on this time |
| 21:19.24 | AvatarA | Geolocation services going off for almost no reason |
| 21:19.30 | AvatarA | on* |
| 21:19.35 | letsfindout | yeah.... that's pretty terrible |
| 21:19.58 | AvatarA | I know the front is good, it always is "Hey we set the clock automatically for you! Neato!" |
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| 21:20.11 | xhoch3 | I also think that Apple got many things right. If you can sell Apple products for the price they dictate, from an economic point of view you're doing a lot of things right. |
| 21:20.18 | _abc_ | has a smartphone. BlackBerry... and no it is not tethered to any mothership. |
| 21:20.20 | letsfindout | I'm ok with stuff like geolocation, amazon seaches, google suggestions etc. but only if the user has explicitly authorized it |
| 21:20.29 | AvatarA | "But we also save your location in our statistics server but you shouldn't worry about that" |
| 21:20.41 | letsfindout | putting it as default where the user doesn't know they're leaking such information is pretty fucked up |
| 21:20.42 | AvatarA | Yes that's my idea also |
| 21:20.54 | AvatarA | Give me a Yes/No dialog and track everything you want |
| 21:20.58 | _abc_ | AvatarA: Look at the good side, the cops know where to find the corpse after the stalker finds the live body |
| 21:20.59 | AvatarA | I may click yes sometimes |
| 21:21.06 | xhoch3 | Canonical is somewhat copying apple in many aspects, and that's why they succeed over debian |
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| 21:21.38 | xhoch3 | just plain observation |
| 21:21.55 | digdilem | very different markets |
| 21:21.56 | _abc_ | Speaking of, I wonder who KDE is copying. If they had been copying themselves, namey the functionality of KDE 3.0, I would have no reason to complain. |
| 21:21.59 | AvatarA | on freedesktop.org they say: The primary goal of the Geoclue project is to make creating location-aware applications as simple as possible, while the secondary goal is to ensure that no application can access location information without explicit permission from user. |
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| 21:22.12 | xhoch3 | KDE is copying Windows |
| 21:22.26 | AvatarA | but Ubuntu did not care about that |
| 21:22.41 | xhoch3 | yes, because Ubuntu is attracting former MacOS users |
| 21:22.50 | xhoch3 | or those who potentially would like MacOS |
| 21:23.20 | AvatarA | Circle of karma |
| 21:23.48 | AvatarA | Apple and Windows got "inspired" too |
| 21:23.52 | xhoch3 | and KDE is attracting those users who probably would use Windows if they were using a non-Linux system |
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| 21:23.58 | AvatarA | now it's their turn to provide the inspiration |
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| 21:24.36 | digdilem | everyone copies everyone else. been the case in IT for a long long time |
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| 21:25.12 | xhoch3 | yes, but there seem to be different "tastes" |
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| 21:25.57 | xhoch3 | those who just need a system to get things done, keep an eye on visual aspects etc., they probably take MacOS/Ubuntu or maybe stuff like Linux Mint |
| 21:26.08 | digdilem | R&D generates new ideas, but some companies / choice makers - concentrate more on what others do which is proven to be popular than trying the unknown. most good options do a bit of both. |
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| 21:27.01 | digdilem | it's important to understand that users, for the most part, like the familiar. |
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| 21:27.30 | xhoch3 | well, I tried debian, and it was a lot less stable in terms of supporting my hardware |
| 21:28.04 | xhoch3 | and since a laptop running hot and switching off after 40 minutes isn't usable, I went back to Ubuntu |
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| 21:28.25 | xhoch3 | plus I really missed the Unity desktop concerning productivity |
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| 21:28.50 | letsfindout | wouldn't really call that stability, but debian certainly doesn't make it easy to optimize for laptops, like other distributions do |
| 21:28.52 | AvatarA | takes a little bit more work to get running but I like how clean and robust it is |
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| 21:29.19 | xhoch3 | actually, I fiddled around and never got it running, finally gave up |
| 21:30.38 | xhoch3 | it will be interesting how debian will deal with Ubuntu new packaging format |
| 21:30.45 | AvatarA | Laptop was recent at that time? |
| 21:31.03 | letsfindout | ubuntu is getting rid of .deb? |
| 21:31.11 | xhoch3 | in the long term, yes |
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| 21:31.43 | xhoch3 | AvatarA, well, nothing exotic, AMD graphics, intel processor |
| 21:31.45 | letsfindout | what do they want to do that deb isn't doing for them? |
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| 21:32.16 | xhoch3 | letsfindout, it's so brand new I can't answer everything in detailed, but applications will be self-contained |
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| 21:32.34 | _abc_ | I have to ask: does Epiphany even touch flash? I assume it does html5? |
| 21:32.37 | xhoch3 | they contain all dependencies in them, so you have a fully orthogonal system |
| 21:32.49 | _abc_ | Also how different is Chromium vs Chrome? |
| 21:32.51 | xhoch3 | plus no install scripts |
| 21:32.58 | _abc_ | In the sense of flash & media playing? |
| 21:33.23 | xhoch3 | plus security/rights management for single apps at kernel level (with apparmor) |
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| 21:33.35 | musca | debian is getting rid of packages that should have its own .ubu extension in the first place. |
| 21:33.39 | letsfindout | chrome includes the flash pepper plugin or whatever |
| 21:33.40 | _abc_ | xhoch3: Ubuntu reinvented docker containers? Cute. Are they called Ubuntu [tm] Containers [r][tm] ? |
| 21:33.50 | letsfindout | chromium... might not even have pepper, I'm not sure |
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| 21:33.57 | _abc_ | letsfindout: I will check that thanks. |
| 21:34.00 | xhoch3 | _abc_, docker is something different |
| 21:34.07 | _abc_ | Of course it is. |
| 21:34.18 | AvatarA | better go with chrome if your "people" wants the "Internet" :P |
| 21:34.19 | xhoch3 | so why ur rant? |
| 21:34.31 | cdrage | xhoch3: do you have a source for this? any public info about ubuntu removing .deb? |
| 21:34.37 | allorder | http://www.itworld.com/article/2914850/linux/is-ubuntu-moving-away-from-deb-packages-here-is-the-complete-story.html |
| 21:34.40 | _abc_ | AvatarA: I love people who take nice ideas and rebrand them. My supermarket does it all the time. |
| 21:34.43 | cdrage | seems strange going to a 100% dockerized system |
| 21:34.50 | letsfindout | looks like chromium has the pepper api |
| 21:35.03 | xhoch3 | cdrage, they will bring Ubuntu Next with 16.04, Ubuntu Core already has no apt-get |
| 21:35.03 | letsfindout | so I guess you'd have to get the flash pepper plugin and put it into chromium yourself |
| 21:35.16 | letsfindout | maybe there's a package that does that, I dunno |
| 21:35.21 | r6ku | there is a package for that |
| 21:35.22 | cdrage | this sounds fun |
| 21:35.24 | cdrage | time to reinstall freebsd |
| 21:35.48 | xhoch3 | cdrage, the Ubuntu Desktop/Server will coexist in a deb version and the new "snap" version |
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| 21:35.57 | _abc_ | uses netbsd and slackware for things which need to stay working for years |
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| 21:36.20 | xhoch3 | they primarily invented the new packaging format for their Ubuntu Phone |
| 21:36.30 | _abc_ | xhoch3: I am sure there will be lively discussions on this later. Probably not as lively as for systemd matters, but, still, very lively. |
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| 21:36.47 | _abc_ | I even wonder if someone will sue them eventually. |
| 21:36.51 | xhoch3 | where they needed the security advantages of this concept |
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| 21:37.07 | xhoch3 | sue them? for what? Inventing new things :P |
| 21:37.37 | AvatarA | aaa, the systemd wars... :p |
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| 21:38.12 | xhoch3 | cdrage, there various sources, just google for "ubuntu snappy" |
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| 21:38.53 | xhoch3 | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ |
| 21:38.58 | _abc_ | Usually serious outfits which embrace and expand existing things have weasel armies anointed with every kind of muck who hedge against being sued. |
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| 21:43.35 | AvatarA | I wish Debian would get more credit |
| 21:43.41 | cast | me too. |
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| 21:43.52 | AvatarA | a lot of people think dpkg stuff is an Ubuntu invention |
| 21:44.12 | AvatarA | you just type apt-get and this wall of text appears and your program is magically installed |
| 21:44.41 | AvatarA | looks like magic and they think it's an Ubuntu thing... |
| 21:45.24 | AvatarA | and btw... it IS magic :D |
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| 21:46.11 | hhmmm | it has supercowpowers? |
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| 21:46.37 | jhutchins | It's also about five years younger than RPM. |
| 21:46.46 | cast | though, there seems a notable amount of gnu/linux users who don't give credit where credit is due [like the people who think RH wrote 'linux'] |
| 21:46.49 | AvatarA | It has I can go to sleep at 10pm powers |
| 21:47.00 | AvatarA | and not search for dependencies till 2 in the morning :D |
| 21:47.08 | jhutchins | Well, actually, one year. Apt was 99. |
| 21:47.59 | AvatarA | Red Hat? |
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| 21:49.35 | hhmmm | why does debian not come with vim.basic :( |
| 21:50.12 | jhutchins | RPM didn't have dependency resolution until up2date, and I don't remember when that was, probably RH5 |
| 21:50.27 | AvatarA | vim was like prison for me. What did I do? How do I get out? |
| 21:50.34 | jhutchins | hhmmm: I think it has vim minimal. |
| 21:50.57 | AvatarA | ctrl c not working Aaaaaaaa! :] |
| 21:50.59 | jhutchins | hhmmm: vim-tiny |
| 21:51.12 | hhmmm | yes, but it's not so nice |
| 21:51.21 | abrotman | then install vim-full |
| 21:51.46 | hhmmm | sure, and i bring my .vimrc |
| 21:52.29 | jelly | vim (not -full) is nice enough isn't it |
| 21:52.52 | jhutchins | I like vim-nox |
| 21:53.23 | jhutchins | hhmmm: You can build it with whatever features you prefer. |
| 21:53.24 | jelly | what's that, all the crap except gtk? |
| 21:53.37 | jhutchins | jelly: AFIK, yes. |
| 21:54.11 | jhutchins | Mostly I use the highlighting and the automatic file/directory handling. |
| 21:54.12 | detergnet | all the crap without working integration with the clipboard :) |
| 21:54.23 | jhutchins | Oh, and visual/highlight mode. |
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| 21:54.58 | jhutchins | detergnet: Cut-and-paste works for me, and I'm glad to have seperate internal buffers. |
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| 21:55.44 | detergnet | jhutchins: cut-and-paste from-to what? buffer to buffer? |
| 21:57.00 | detergnet | jhutchins: I'm talking about "+ for interacting with the outside world; selection+middleclick isn't nice enough |
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| 21:57.31 | jhutchins | Obviously not somethng I use. |
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| 22:30.07 | MrmacHD | hi |
| 22:30.55 | MrmacHD | I have this issue on jessie: R300 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] R300 [Radeon 9600 TX] fails to load drivers. what should I do? got rid of my gnome and installed xfce4 to my disappointment the driver seems to be the issue. |
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| 22:33.13 | MrmacHD | is there anything I can do about that? |
| 22:33.50 | mtn | MrmacHD, did you read the debian ati wiki? |
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| 22:33.59 | MrmacHD | yes |
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| 22:34.17 | MrmacHD | not as complete as some other places though in terms of finding out the problem. |
| 22:34.21 | mtn | MrmacHD, any more details? a little thin at the moment |
| 22:34.37 | MrmacHD | well thats what I gathered from dmesg-ing around |
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| 22:34.46 | MrmacHD | with grep of drm and radeon |
| 22:36.16 | MrmacHD | also found a bugreport from nov 2014 |
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| 22:39.09 | MrmacHD | ok lets see if i can fix it in the coming hours or perhaps even days. fingers crossed. |
| 22:39.36 | MrmacHD | ati 9600 TX is still a really good card! |
| 22:39.48 | MrmacHD | bye for now⦠|
| 22:39.54 | afciimm | wiki.debian.org/atihowto is what this old grandma did Mrmac |
| 22:41.02 | MrmacHD | ok cheers guys |
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| 22:41.12 | jd1 | holy shit 9600? |
| 22:41.23 | jd1 | thats the one that came with a free half life 2 code |
| 22:41.24 | MrmacHD | I see that again and another good hint seems this http://pu5h.info/article/install-ati-drivers-on-debian |
| 22:41.30 | jd1 | I still have one |
| 22:41.50 | MrmacHD | jd1: technology loses value over time. |
| 22:42.01 | MrmacHD | anyway bye for now. |
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| 22:53.22 | telmac | I'm getting a strange behavior that sometimes my laptop shuts off when I close the lid and sometimes just suspends |
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| 22:53.43 | telmac | it might be suspending and then shutting off after a longer period (but this has happened after only minutes) |
| 22:53.52 | telmac | I don't know exactly under what conditions it occurs |
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| 22:54.26 | telmac | it's a lenovo x131e chromebook running debian exclusively, I'm using seabios |
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| 22:54.55 | telmac | it's possible the bios is causing this but I doubt it, only because it seems to happen randomly/intermittently |
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| 23:02.17 | detergnet | telmac: how's your battery health? I have the same problem on a lenovo x220; I suspect the battery might be dying, I wasn't getting random poweroffs on suspend when it was new |
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| 23:03.18 | telmac | detergnet: it's fine afaik and I was not having this problem under chrome os |
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| 23:03.29 | telmac | is there a tool for measuring this |
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| 23:04.30 | detergnet | "acpi -bi" should tell you what's the current full capacity compared to the design capacity of the battery |
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| 23:06.48 | telmac | detergnet: 100% |
| 23:06.53 | telmac | which seems unlikely |
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| 23:06.53 | telmac | but |
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| 23:07.42 | telmac | design capacity: 6057 mAh, last full capacity 6675 mAh = 100% |
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| 23:07.56 | telmac | actually that's >100% so clearly it's measuring this incorrectly |
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| 23:12.06 | telmac | detergnet: it would work for the time being to prevent suspension of that's what's causing this |
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| 23:19.25 | heap__ | hi |
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| 23:19.34 | heap__ | any idea whhat package contains rpcidmpad |
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| 23:21.00 | nebbia | hello everyone... i have a problem.. with xfce...i installed thunar-volman and added the user in the "plugdev" group automount works perfectly for all filesystems (even ntfs) except for fat32, indeed when i insert a fat32 usb key it tells me "bad ntfs signature, the command mount /dev/sdb1 fails" and other things... |
| 23:21.01 | nebbia | but if i mount the usb key manually with "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb/" it works... |
| 23:21.01 | nebbia | how do i let fat32 automount ? |
| 23:21.39 | GuestUser | You install windows 7 lol. |
| 23:22.10 | acz32 | if a computer has the Radeon 7730M graphics card would i install firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 23:23.43 | r6ku | acz32: you need non-free firmware for the free radeon drivers to work, so yes |
| 23:24.05 | nebbia | GuestUser ? |
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| 23:25.51 | acz32 | r6ku: so it's as simple as apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree? it's not something specific to amd/radeon |
| 23:26.01 | acz32 | or some kernel thing like nvidia |
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| 23:29.02 | r6ku | acz32: yeah, it's that simple |
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| 23:32.42 | heap__ | ok |
| 23:32.48 | heap__ | how can i start idmap service? |
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| 23:34.55 | heap__ | hm |
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| 23:36.53 | acz32 | r6ku: cool. why do nvidia cards need nvidia-kernel-3.XX then? |
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| 23:39.39 | heap__ | WizBright: 35 |
| 23:39.41 | heap__ | ops |
| 23:41.23 | r6ku | acz32: for the same reason that catalyst drivers need more stuff, because it's not free :) |
| 23:43.46 | acz32 | does it matter that the firmware-linux-nonfree doesn't mention the 7730 specifically? it mentions some other series like 79XX |
| 23:44.51 | andril | hello |
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| 23:46.46 | jjrrr4 | RAID10, LVM and boot partition guys, how would i make the boot partition outside LVM but still keep it raided |
| 23:46.46 | andril | how do i get conky to autostart? |
| 23:47.50 | jelly | jjrrr4: linux md raid as raid implementation? |
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| 23:48.19 | jjrrr4 | jelly, so create a seperate md device from say 2 out of the 4 drives? |
| 23:48.49 | jelly | jjrrr4: that was a question, which raid are you using? |
| 23:48.49 | bulldoze11 | avoid all this raid nonsense and just use zfs </bomb> :) |
| 23:48.49 | jjrrr4 | lol i wish |
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| 23:48.56 | jjrrr4 | jelly: raid 10, 4 drives |
| 23:49.30 | jelly | jjrrr4: which raid implementation? software, hardware? if software, is it linux md raid or something else? |
| 23:49.40 | jjrrr4 | jelly: software |
| 23:50.09 | jelly | waits |
| 23:50.19 | jjrrr4 | jelly: md raid |
| 23:51.06 | jjrrr4 | jelly: i read people saying use 1GB from x2 drives as a RAID1, then remaining 4 drives use as RAID, my only concern is the drives will not match up space wise, will this be too much of an issue |
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| 23:51.20 | heap__ | what should one stick into Domain inside idmapd.conf |
| 23:51.27 | jjrrr4 | 4 drives use as RAID 10** |
| 23:51.47 | r6ku | acz32: the 7000m series is definitely supported by catalyst, however I can't find a references for the mobility series cards in the radeon documentation |
| 23:52.09 | jelly | jjrrr4: right. so you could partition the disks and make a small partition first, use raid1 on top of two (or all four!) of those, and put /boot there. |
| 23:53.06 | jjrrr4 | jelly: thanks jelly! my concern is those 2 drives will now be -1GB smaller than the remaining 2 |
| 23:53.16 | jjrrr4 | jelly: will this affect the mirroring or striping in the raid 10? |
| 23:53.21 | jelly | jjrrr4: you can partition them all the same way. |
| 23:53.38 | jjrrr4 | jelly: my understanding of raid is quite bad,im guessing it can detect and account for the imbalance on space |
| 23:53.46 | jelly | and you don't need 1GB, 100-500MiB is enough |
| 23:54.08 | jjrrr4 | jelly: aye clients request one of those situations! |
| 23:54.14 | jelly | jjrrr4: if you did that, it would just not use the extra space on larger members at all |
| 23:54.27 | jjrrr4 | jelly: oh great that makes sense |
| 23:54.47 | jjrrr4 | jelly: i did read somewhere raid10 and /boot wasnt working that was on a centos forum however |
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| 23:55.02 | jjrrr4 | jelly: so they recommended raid1 x2 drives for /boot 0_o |
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| 23:55.43 | jelly | jjrrr4: also, ask #linux-raid channel what's the optimal approach on raid1+0 these days. They said actual md raid10 code was less exercised than some other options |
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| 23:56.03 | jjrrr4 | jelly: oh wow a linux channel dedicated to raid |
| 23:56.07 | jjrrr4 | jelly: intense |
| 23:56.36 | jelly | be patient, it's a small channel |
| 23:57.03 | jjrrr4 | jelly: no worries looks good thanks for your help so far |
| 23:58.00 | jjrrr4 | jelly: I suppose for the sake of a GB I might aswell put it as two drives in raid1 for /boot then all 4 in raid10 |
| 23:58.14 | jjrrr4 | jelly: that would make /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 right? |
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| 23:59.21 | jelly | jjrrr4: yes |
