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| 00:41.20 | guavas | Hello everyone, I just dist-upgraded today from debian 7 to debian 8 but, well it did not really upgraded, when I give an apt-get upgrade there are 592 packages not upgraded, and it wont upgrade them |
| 00:42.05 | mo1991reg | guavas apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:42.26 | rabbitear | guavas: so you changed the repo's to some debian 8 repo's in /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 00:42.33 | mephage | @Brigo with /etc/systemd/system/foo.service, running systemctl enable foo.service = Failed to execute operation: Invalid argument |
| 00:42.39 | mo1991reg | why does it say your it's holding back packages |
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| 00:42.52 | guavas | mo1991reg: yes, I changed the repos, I gave an update, dist-upgrade and now here I am |
| 00:43.18 | mo1991reg | guavas what reason does it give for holding back packages |
| 00:43.19 | Brigo | mephage, try reload systemd first, so it read the files in the directory again. |
| 00:43.29 | guavas | mo1991reg, what output could I give you? It just says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 592 not upgraded. |
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| 00:44.15 | mo1991reg | and you have tried the above command again? |
| 00:44.19 | rabbitear | guavas: that means you ran dist-upgrade, and it did not need to upgrade anything |
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| 00:44.36 | rabbitear | guavas: it means also that you have 592 packages on that box |
| 00:44.42 | Brigo | guavas, then your /etc/apt/source.list have any issue. |
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| 00:47.04 | guavas | rabbitear: you mean that it is not a issue then? |
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| 00:48.09 | guavas | This is my sources.list http://0bin.net/paste/FvMqb-Mr4Ijmbp8S#L2YvQoPZYnMlq7Sw10b5ivI+iFhjQz+HWNUrRj86JoS |
| 00:48.10 | mo1991reg | guavas, depends what the 592 packages are. when I run that command I get "0 not upgraded". Is this a machine you have updated from pre-wheezy to wheezy then to jessie? |
| 00:48.28 | rabbitear | guavas: it sounds like its not an issue, and that you have already upgraded the dist to the new one |
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| 00:49.08 | guavas | mo1991reg: it was a wheezy and I moved to jessie |
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| 00:50.06 | guavas | I'm now trying giving an aptitude upgrade and so far it has outputted 258 conflicts |
| 00:50.26 | rabbitear | guavas: there's probably a better debian way to figure it out, but, I'd compare some of the packages on the box with the same packages in http://packages.debina.org |
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| 00:51.02 | rabbitear | aptitude also has a dist upgrade, and also a safe dist upgrade |
| 00:51.12 | mo1991reg | guavas - if you are getting conflicts, its probably because you installed some non-wheezy packages previously, I'm just guessing here. try to remove the non-wheezy packages and then upgrade |
| 00:51.48 | rabbitear | but apt-get should upgrade fine in most cases (saying you didn't do a large number of back-ports or custom debs etc) |
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| 00:53.07 | guavas | mo1991reg: how could I know what non-wheezy package I may have? As far as I know I only installed from official repo and compiled 2 packages from source, that is all |
| 00:53.10 | rabbitear | guavas: also do 'uname -a' from terminal .. may give you some clues |
| 00:53.43 | guavas | Linux cuoredoro 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:54.57 | rabbitear | guavas in 'man aptitude' there is a option 'safe-upgrade' |
| 00:55.02 | mo1991reg | guavas, there is a way to look at and sort the "non-debian" packages in synaptic |
| 00:55.37 | maazu | hi guavas, don't forget the /var/log/aptitude log that shows errors during upgrade |
| 00:55.50 | rabbitear | guavas: always 'update' before any upgrade .. |
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| 00:57.07 | guavas | I'll try a safe-upgrade as soon as it stops doing the upgrade right now. Sure, always updating first. |
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| 00:57.16 | guavas | maazu: thanks, I'll give a look to that right now |
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| 00:57.34 | maazu | guavas: cool :) |
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| 01:02.04 | guavas | thanks guys, I'll gather some more information, tinker around and eventually report back. I appreciate your attention, have a nice one |
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| 01:51.48 | head8debian | Ok, im trying to use virt-manager in debian jessie, but when i go to make a VM it tells me im missing a spice dependency. I have almost everything spice* installed. Any clues? |
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| 01:54.42 | PryMar56 | head8debian, ldd $(which qemu-system-x86_64) <-- depends which qemu you use |
| 01:54.50 | RickHull | head8debian: specifics matter. you should paste as much detail as you think is relevant. use a paste site |
| 01:55.36 | PryMar56 | head8debian, might be missing pixman* |
| 01:56.26 | head8debian | I will have to test it tommorow. I will let you know on the outcome. thanks |
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| 02:01.07 | head8debian | What does pixman have to do with it anyways? |
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| 02:02.31 | RickHull | pixman <- cairo <- virt-manager (i think) |
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| 02:05.24 | head8debian | Ok. |
| 02:05.39 | head8debian | I will do some more digging. thank you. |
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| 02:52.25 | k_sze[work] | I'm trying to use this external enclosure with my Debian system: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5709/teratrend-towerstor-ts432u-quad-bay-usb-3-0-esata-enclosure-review/index.html |
| 02:52.44 | k_sze[work] | Something is weird about it. |
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| 02:53.07 | k_sze[work] | I try to test the write speed, with 3 disks in a RAID 5 setup in it. |
| 02:53.23 | k_sze[work] | I do dd and I get 5.5 MB/s write. |
| 02:53.37 | k_sze[work] | And then when I kill dd, it takes a long time for the write to stop. |
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| 02:54.30 | k_sze[work] | It's as though the USB storage driver/kernel module buffered up a lot of data and slowly wrote to the external enclosure. |
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| 02:55.53 | k_sze[work] | How do I verify my hypothesis? |
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| 02:56.52 | RickHull | strace maybe |
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| 03:12.49 | cjen129 | hi. how can i properly install debian on a EFI computer? at the end it asks where to install grub. what do i select? |
| 03:13.53 | r6ku | cjen129: /dev/sda |
| 03:14.39 | cjen129 | r6ku, i know but on which partition in /dev/sda? there are EFI partition which i think windows uses (trying to dual boot) or i created a /boot partition. wasn't sure if i was supposed to |
| 03:16.25 | cjen129 | (ps. is there a way to have debian not erase empty space when encryptiong a partition?) |
| 03:16.43 | cjen129 | i think i may have to re-isntall if this doesn't work and don't want to wait for that again if it's already erased once |
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| 04:02.54 | rmzelnick | up to what version did debian introduce systemd? |
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| 04:03.40 | rmzelnick | Did it all start with Jessie (8.0) or some minor release of Wheezy? |
| 04:04.17 | cjen129 | what do you mean "up to" |
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| 04:06.10 | rmzelnick | I mean at what version was systemd was used as the default service manager? |
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| 04:07.14 | cjen129 | 8 |
| 04:07.51 | rmzelnick | ok, but I know it is possible to preesed the install and NOT install systemd |
| 04:08.39 | cjen129 | what's your question? |
| 04:10.07 | rmzelnick | I want to install debian w/o systemd |
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| 04:19.35 | cjen129 | rmzelnick, look into devuan |
| 04:19.50 | cjen129 | it's complicated otherwise to completely remove systemd |
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| 04:22.38 | Vantage1313_ | Hi all, I'm jusing Debian stable on my mail server with SpamAssassin and lately the effectiveness of SpamAssassin has dropped to the point that it's almost useless. It is still working, but most Spam messages are getting through. Any thoughts on why that might be? Or a more effective alternative? |
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| 04:23.02 | rmzelnick | cjen129: wait a second, why not just preseed the installation instructing such not to install systemd?? |
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| 04:24.00 | Vantage1313_ | It used to work fine, but today for example it caught 3 messsages and let about 100 through to my personal Inbox... |
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| 04:28.54 | Rusty1 | there is also a #spamassassin channel FWIW |
| 04:32.24 | rmzelnick | cjen129: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd |
| 04:34.56 | rmzelnick | Ok, so I'm gonna stick with wheezy and pin down systemd |
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| 04:38.16 | knivsta | hi |
| 04:40.40 | rmzelnick | hello knikolov |
| 04:40.43 | rmzelnick | knivsta: |
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| 05:20.16 | rmzelnick | Ok so I'll install Debian Squeeze, and pin down apt from install any systemd related packages |
| 05:21.14 | rmzelnick | And likely replace udev with something else |
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| 05:33.01 | strk | awstats package 7.2+dfsg-1 installs a /etc/cron.d/awstats that sets user as 'adm' but no such user exists |
| 05:34.06 | strk | (the *group* exists) |
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| 05:52.52 | themill | strk: can you pastebin that file? |
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| 05:57.29 | rhizome | is oracle the only way to get java 8 on jessie? |
| 05:57.44 | themill | ,v openjdk-8-jre --release jessie-backports |
| 05:57.45 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u45-b14-2~bpo8+2 |
| 05:58.19 | rhizome | backports, gotcha. thanks |
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| 06:03.16 | strk | themill: I manually modified it now |
| 06:03.19 | strk | so, no |
| 06:03.32 | strk | is there an online service to show contents of packages ? |
| 06:03.40 | themill | strk: the file in the package doesn't use the user adm |
| 06:03.54 | strk | oh, then I must have messed up myself in the beginning :> |
| 06:04.00 | strk | does it use "root" ? |
| 06:04.10 | themill | (which is why I was asking: http://sources.debian.net/src/awstats/jessie/debian/awstats.cron.d/ ) |
| 06:04.14 | strk | or, how can I get a "diff" of an installed vs. packaged ? |
| 06:04.24 | strk | ah, www-data |
| 06:04.32 | strk | that user cannot read my apache logs thogh |
| 06:04.39 | strk | guess it can, on a vanilla install ? |
| 06:04.53 | themill | the README.Debian in the package discusses this |
| 06:04.53 | strk | are apache logs readable by www-data, by policy ? |
| 06:05.14 | strk | k, will read that up, thanks |
| 06:05.44 | themill | http://sources.debian.net/src/awstats/7.2%2Bdfsg-1/debian/README.Debian/#L26 |
| 06:06.42 | strk | uhm, line 37 says "644 root adm" would make logs readable by www-data, but that's not true ! |
| 06:06.51 | strk | uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data) |
| 06:07.38 | strk | ah, sorry... readable by all |
| 06:08.18 | strk | it's the "apache2" that isn't "scannable": |
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| 06:08.18 | strk | drwxr-x--- 2 root adm 4096 Jul 6 08:11 apache2 |
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| 06:09.38 | rhizome | that's 750 |
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| 06:10.16 | strk | right |
| 06:10.23 | strk | so www-data cannot enter the dir |
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| 06:10.54 | strk | anyway, I got the point, thanks |
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| 06:41.03 | da_didi | i read that today there will be openssl security updates? will debian publish them today or later? |
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| 07:03.27 | nami | hey, i get a tor daemon notice at random time: Received reload signal (hup). Reloading config and resetting internal state. |
| 07:03.35 | nami | is that something with debian configuration? |
| 07:05.50 | nami | seems related by cron.daily... they match in time |
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| 07:06.33 | nami | oh, i figured out... it's logrotate the killer |
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| 07:08.33 | k_sze[work] | How do I show information about an XFS volume? I want to know how it was formatted (block size, sector size, etc) |
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| 07:08.57 | k_sze[work] | And whether it's primary/logical/extended, e.g. |
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| 07:14.02 | k_sze[work] | hmm, seems like xfs_info is what I need, along with parted -l |
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| 07:18.01 | ksk | yeah, I wanted to suggest parted. |
| 07:18.33 | ksk | and block size etc you should only mangle with if you really know what you are doing, Id think the defaults are sane :) |
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| 07:36.05 | Wally | How does one change the default pulse audio card? |
| 07:37.05 | Pixer | is there a way to create a scratchpad that's embedded into the wallpaper kinda like conky?? is there? |
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| 07:41.29 | frugo3000 | hi |
| 07:41.50 | frugo3000 | whats the best method of deploying debian on 50+ servers at the time? |
| 07:42.31 | jelly | Wally: install and start pavucontrol, Output devices tab, green checkmark button next to the desired physical (or virtual) device. Mouseover says "Set as fallback". |
| 07:42.44 | Wally | jelly that's the thing, there's only dummy devices in there :( |
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| 07:43.22 | Raydiation | frugo3000: isnt salt/puppet/ansible used for that? |
| 07:43.42 | frugo3000 | they're used for managing hosts after install |
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| 07:43.56 | jelly | Wally: at the bottom, if you Show: to "Hardware output devices" is there anything remaining? |
| 07:43.57 | rootd00d | anyone using tor for irc? |
| 07:44.03 | frugo3000 | and yes, we do use ansible and used puppet earlier |
| 07:44.06 | frugo3000 | but the thing is |
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| 07:44.23 | Wally | wait I have an output device now that I changed some settings in pulse :D |
| 07:44.39 | frugo3000 | we have to change datacenter, wipe whole data and reinstall servers as fast as possible |
| 07:44.52 | Wally | yayayaya |
| 07:44.52 | Wally | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.59 | frugo3000 | install over pxe |
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| 07:46.08 | Wally | Thanks anyway Jelly :) |
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| 07:46.17 | Wally | This is the first time i've heard sound on this devboard |
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| 07:49.15 | frugo3000 | :( |
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| 07:49.56 | Wally | frugo3000 sounds nasty |
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| 07:50.34 | Wally | frugo3000 Working in education? |
| 07:51.04 | frugo3000 | nah, web sysadmin |
| 07:51.16 | frugo3000 | filestube.com, etc |
| 07:51.24 | Wally | ah |
| 07:51.27 | Wally | wonderful |
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| 07:52.26 | frugo3000 | i think i'll use FAI, but this thing looks pretty ancient |
| 07:52.43 | frugo3000 | and i'm looking for something like spacewalk on rhel,centos,etc |
| 07:53.04 | Wally | You using PXE boot? |
| 07:53.17 | frugo3000 | yes |
| 07:53.32 | Wally | There was some tool we used to deploy a HDD image years ago.. |
| 07:53.44 | Wally | had multicast capabilities.. |
| 07:53.51 | Wally | egad. |
| 07:53.58 | frugo3000 | i don't know if images are good idea |
| 07:54.14 | Wally | It grabs the contents of the drive. |
| 07:54.18 | Wally | then clones it off |
| 07:54.30 | Wally | Dunno if that'd work for you though |
| 07:54.32 | frugo3000 | these servers are not identical |
| 07:54.34 | Wally | ah |
| 07:54.47 | frugo3000 | :( |
| 07:55.06 | Wally | Isn't there a debian deployment tool? |
| 07:55.11 | frugo3000 | FAI :) |
| 07:55.27 | frugo3000 | at least this is the one know by me |
| 07:55.30 | frugo3000 | known* |
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| 08:03.06 | momon | anyone have wheezy openstack image? |
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| 08:12.55 | Gaurishankar_ | whats is the latest debian version for server |
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| 08:13.55 | Phil-Work | Gaurishankar_, 8 |
| 08:13.59 | rdz | 8.1 |
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| 08:14.15 | asasmita | hi :), I have a question, I want to build openssl from source and package it as a .deb package. can I use the effing package management ? |
| 08:14.15 | Gaurishankar_ | it is jessie 8.1 |
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| 08:14.43 | Gaurishankar_ | i am having some issues like samba workds very slow in windows environment |
| 08:14.51 | Gaurishankar_ | how to increase speed |
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| 08:15.26 | Raydiation | is there a way to only get the packages that were installed through apt-get and not as deps? |
| 08:16.23 | jelly | dpkg, tell asasmita about simple sid backport |
| 08:16.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell asasmita about uupdate |
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| 08:17.45 | jelly | asasmita: if you want 1.0.2c then it's just a backport, debian sid is already at that version |
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| 08:18.38 | asasmita | thx jelly :) |
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| 08:20.38 | Gaurishankar_ | how to increase speed debian server |
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| 08:21.06 | frugo3000 | rocket fuel |
| 08:21.43 | frugo3000 | reduce services in the background |
| 08:21.48 | frugo3000 | tune up kernel |
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| 08:22.09 | jensp | Hey there, I'm having a bit of a problem regarding missing mail logs after upgrading to jessie. I'm using postfix, I have journald and syslog-ng configured and running, but I can't find any detailed log entries regarding which email went where. |
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| 08:22.27 | jensp | In fact I can't find any log messages from postfix apart from it starting up |
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| 08:23.00 | Gaurishankar_ | on debian server about 100 services are running |
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| 08:23.15 | Gaurishankar_ | How do I tune kerneal |
| 08:23.25 | jensp | I found this thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/03/msg00596.html but it doesn't seem to be related, my syslog-ng configuration is fine (at least syntactically) |
| 08:23.54 | frugo3000 | 100 services? Did you install all packages from repositories? |
| 08:24.40 | Gaurishankar_ | yes |
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| 08:25.09 | frugo3000 | then install only base system and install packages only you need |
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| 08:25.53 | Gaurishankar_ | ok sir |
| 08:26.51 | AWeSomeAo | Topic is advertising #debian-next, but it's invite only |
| 08:27.02 | jensp | Gaurishankar_: You probably also want to make some benchmarks first to find out how slow it is exactly. e.g. run iperf and some hd testing tool and compare those values with the transfer speed of samba |
| 08:27.43 | Gaurishankar_ | right |
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| 08:31.46 | themill | AWeSomeAo: wrong network |
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| 08:39.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | I did apt-get install maven2 |
| 08:39.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | echo $M2_HOME is emptyu |
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| 09:08.10 | guest858 | hi....I have a.problem |
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| 09:09.19 | shibly | Anyone there? |
| 09:09.22 | shibly | May i ask? |
| 09:09.26 | jensp | To answer my own question from before I was missing /var/log/journal for persistent logging |
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| 09:10.26 | guest858 | while installing debian 8.1.0 doesn't recognize any network connection... |
| 09:10.36 | guest858 | what should i do???? |
| 09:11.02 | AWeSomeAo | guest858: you might be using hardware that needs firmware to be present |
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| 09:11.27 | guest858 | even lan connection??? |
| 09:11.34 | frugo3000 | yeah |
| 09:11.36 | otyugh | guest858: what says /var/log/syslog when plugin/unplugin the ethernet wire ? |
| 09:11.43 | AWeSomeAo | guest858: said firmware might be non-free, therefore it must be supplied i.e. on a usb stick during isntallation: |
| 09:11.46 | frugo3000 | i always use usb tethering from my phone |
| 09:11.48 | AWeSomeAo | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 09:11.50 | frugo3000 | to share wifi over usb |
| 09:11.54 | JuusoVls | guest858, I had the same issue when I installed the 8.1. I just plugged in the cable and finished installation |
| 09:11.55 | frugo3000 | i install debian |
| 09:12.09 | frugo3000 | then find suitable firmware/kernel modules |
| 09:12.10 | JuusoVls | After installation Wifi worked fine |
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| 09:12.49 | the_other_cat | Not neccessarily: When 7.* was stable, it won't recognize my network card, testing did |
| 09:13.14 | frugo3000 | matter of kernel |
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| 09:15.27 | shibly | What's the command to mount ntfs drive? mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /media/sda5 , is that ok? |
| 09:15.54 | otyugh | should be |
| 09:16.29 | otyugh | you ain't even have to specify "-t" most of the time in fact |
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| 09:16.33 | sebastianlutter | I need a tool to execute the same commands on multiple ssh servers. Any hint? |
| 09:16.44 | mf|lap | Super Putty will do it on Windows |
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| 09:17.17 | sebastianlutter | mf|lap, and on linux? |
| 09:17.30 | mf|lap | not aware of one let me have a read |
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| 09:18.13 | mf|lap | http://alternativeto.net/software/superputty/ |
| 09:18.16 | mf|lap | may find something there |
| 09:19.13 | sebastianlutter | mf|lap, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/413853:managing-multiple-linux-servers-with-clusterssh <-- this sounds good to me |
| 09:19.18 | guest858 | rtl_nic/rtl8106e-3.fw its the needed firmware but in that list i can dl the |
| 09:19.23 | guest858 | rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
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| 09:43.07 | dreamer | sebastianlutter: nice, been looking for something like that |
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| 09:48.25 | AWeSomeAo | commander |
| 09:48.47 | AWeSomeAo | It depends on the terminal emulator, but try ctrl + pgUp or shift + PgUp |
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| 09:53.48 | Uller | all right shit works thanks |
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| 10:31.56 | AWeSomeAo | I installed a package that was already a dependency. now it was set as manually installed. how can I remove that? |
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| 10:41.17 | themill | AWeSomeAo: apt-mark |
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| 10:48.20 | AWeSomeAo | themill: thank you |
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| 10:51.18 | jerry | So I would like to ask a question, why can't I see .bashrc but only see .bashrc! even after save and using ls =al as well as mc, konqueror with show hidden files on , etc.? |
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| 10:52.18 | jerry | .bashrc! =.bashrc~ |
| 10:52.26 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
| 10:52.49 | ychaouche | I was wondering if there was a high-level interface for iptables available for debian ? |
| 10:53.04 | petn-randall | jerry: Are you having problems editing that file? |
| 10:53.14 | ychaouche | I basically need to quickly ban a couple of IPs to access my postfix server |
| 10:53.29 | ychaouche | s/to access/from accessing/ |
| 10:53.43 | petn-randall | ychaouche: shorewall is fairly high-level. |
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| 10:54.39 | jerry | sort of, i got it edited, it works, but i won't to copy it and its not there, |
| 10:54.55 | petn-randall | jerry: How do you want to copy it? |
| 10:55.22 | jerry | i want to drag and drop it |
| 10:55.53 | jerry | why can't i see it? |
| 10:55.57 | ychaouche | ok thanks petn-randall, will look into that. |
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| 10:57.01 | jerry | also . profile etc might have same problen , onlt the backup '~' files show |
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| 10:58.24 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 10:59.00 | jerry | caan you see your .bashrc file, petn-randall? |
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| 11:00.33 | petn-randall | jerry: Can you show us the output of 'ls -l ~/.bashrc*'? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:01.12 | themill | the command and the output |
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| 11:03.09 | jerry | ~ $>ls -al |
| 11:03.09 | jerry | total 6982752 |
| 11:03.09 | jerry | drwxr-xr-x 75 jerry jerry 16384 Jul 9 04:32 . |
| 11:03.09 | jerry | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jun 14 22:17 .. |
| 11:03.09 | jerry | -rw-r--r-- 1 jerry jerry 49675497 Jul 2 2014 2014-06-29.mp3 |
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| 11:06.20 | jerry | Posting 280627 from jerry posted at 2015-07-09 13:05:21 expires: 2015-07-10 13:05:21 |
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| 11:07.12 | AWeSomeAo | jerry: you don't have .bashrc |
| 11:07.28 | jerry | soory petn-randall, unfamiliar with this paste debian dot net |
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| 11:08.29 | jerry | it doesn't seem like it yet the one i copy into ~ works yet not seen? |
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| 11:09.43 | jerry | AweSomeAo, can you see your bashrc file? |
| 11:11.50 | jerry | ne1? |
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| 11:11.54 | themill | jerry: is there some other language you'd be more comfortable seeking help in? |
| 11:13.01 | jerry | english is my language, Why can't I see my bashrc file? |
| 11:13.14 | AWeSomeAo | jerry: because there is no .bashrc in ~ |
| 11:13.35 | SynrGy | jerry: by the way, when you use paste.debian.net, please give us the URL, not just the number. it's so much more convenient to just click the link |
| 11:13.57 | jerry | I put it there ovwer and over again, it takes effect... |
| 11:14.01 | themill | jerry: I ask because your sentences aren't sentences, you are very hard to understand and it's very difficult to understand what you are asking. |
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| 11:14.45 | themill | «I put it (what?) there (where?) over and over again, it (what?) takes effect (in what way?)» |
| 11:15.30 | jerry | I copy my bashrc file into my home directory, it takes effect bit I can't ever see it, why can't I see it? clear enough? |
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| 11:15.49 | petn-randall | jerry: You don't have a .bashrc in ~. It also can't take any effect then. How are you trying to copy it? |
| 11:15.54 | SynrGy | what command did you use to do that copy? how do you know it "takes effect"? |
| 11:16.04 | jerry | my prmpt changes as desired |
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| 11:17.47 | jerry | I drop it into my home directory with konqueror |
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| 11:17.52 | hhmmm | your prompt string only changes when you reread the file or open a new terminal |
| 11:18.21 | jerry | I open a new term and new prompt shows up |
| 11:18.23 | shifty54_ | bonjour a tous |
| 11:18.36 | petn-randall | jerry: Try copying it in the terminal. My guess is that whatever you're doing in konqueror, it's not doing a copy operation. |
| 11:18.45 | ychaouche | rm: cannot remove `changelog~': Read-only file system |
| 11:18.46 | ychaouche | :( |
| 11:19.01 | ychaouche | I don't even know what happened |
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| 11:19.47 | ychaouche | and last prints only one line ?? |
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| 11:21.52 | opiwahn | in the past I could use "text" mode as boot option in my remastered iso. but since systemd "text" mode no longer works (boots instead to x/desktop). how can I fix this? |
| 11:22.31 | jerry | I got the new prompt to show up by moving the backip to another directory r, renaming it to .bashrc, making change and copying it back into my home directory where it takes effect on a new terminal session, but cannot be seen. I would like to know why i can't see it as I should be able too |
| 11:23.15 | hhmmm | it's a 'hidden file' because it starts with a dot |
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| 11:23.38 | ychaouche | jerry: all files starting with "." are hidden by default, unless you use ls -la |
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| 11:23.54 | hhmmm | you can use ctrl-h in file manager or ls -A in terminal to see it |
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| 11:24.13 | ychaouche | jerry: or find a "show hidden files" in your favorit folder explorer |
| 11:24.22 | jerry | nnnno kidding I know that but under all listing s like ls -al, it doesn't show up as it should |
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| 11:25.46 | jerry | Little help in #debian, just typing critics |
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| 11:37.20 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 11:38.12 | darxmurf | Do you also have problems to logon on skype ? |
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| 11:42.02 | at0m|c | !skype |
| 11:42.03 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>. |
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| 11:45.46 | asla | Hello, am running debian 8. I have a problem whereby passing the kernel parameter "memmap = memory_region" crashes the kernel. Could I be missing something ? |
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| 11:47.29 | petn-randall | darxmurf: "works for me" |
| 11:48.15 | asla | Or could someone try running this on qemu and confirm that its not related to debian ? |
| 11:48.20 | asla | please ? |
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| 11:50.45 | petn-randall | asla: How does it crash? What do you actually use for 'memory_region'? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 11:52.18 | darxmurf | weird |
| 11:52.36 | darxmurf | I try to logon, there is a super quick message displayed and then back on the logon form |
| 11:53.38 | asla | petn-randall: Am trying to run jailhouse ( https://github.com/siemens/jailhouse ). I pass memmap=66M$0x3b000000 |
| 11:53.48 | at0m|c | darxmurf: maybe start skype from console and the message gets displayed there, too? |
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| 11:55.04 | asla | petn-randall: it crashes at early boot, with the error something like - "kernel panic : out of memory" |
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| 11:56.26 | petn-randall | asla: Are you running a 32bit machine? |
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| 12:01.30 | darxmurf | nop, already tried :) |
| 12:01.34 | darxmurf | tried also to reinstall |
| 12:02.01 | darxmurf | I did create a Logs folder, skype did write some files there but it's encrypted ... :-/ |
| 12:02.19 | darxmurf | well I'll try to debug that and see |
| 12:02.40 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Does it output *anything* if you run it on the commandline? |
| 12:02.46 | darxmurf | nop |
| 12:02.48 | darxmurf | nothing |
| 12:03.03 | asla | petn-randall: Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 (2015-04-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:04.02 | asla | Also, it doesn't work on 64-bit qemu |
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| 12:06.08 | petn-randall | asla: Is your host or guest machine crashing? |
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| 12:07.58 | asla | petn-randall: I run qemu and pass the option to the guest, the guest crashes. To confirm its not a qemu problem, I reboot my host and passed the options to the host kernel, it also crashed |
| 12:08.17 | asla | Both are running debian |
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| 12:11.40 | petn-randall | asla: "Out of memory" suggests that you screwed up with the setting. Is that memory region even available on your system? 66MB aren't that much to boot, either. |
| 12:12.16 | darxmurf | okay ! |
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| 12:12.59 | darxmurf | the skype quick message is about terms and privacy update in my account, I should logon to check |
| 12:13.06 | darxmurf | on skype website |
| 12:13.25 | darxmurf | just could grab this stuff using screen recording tool :D |
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| 12:16.04 | darxmurf | done |
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| 12:18.31 | nbl | Hello! =) |
| 12:18.58 | nbl | I need some help please I don't understand the difference between xlsfont and fc-list command :) ? |
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| 12:20.17 | lanodan | Iâve a debian on a dying ext4 partition (itâs in read-only right now and itâs the only linux I have, and no cd/usb recovery) e2fsck have a âBad magic number in super-blockâ |
| 12:20.29 | nbl | and I can't use bitmap font like ohsnap font with fontconfig, how to do ? |
| 12:20.53 | AWeSomeAo | lanodan: get a usb drive then. |
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| 12:21.06 | petn-randall | lanodan: I'd boot off a live system and check what's going on. Could be your disk is dying. Do you have backups? |
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| 12:21.34 | AWeSomeAo | lanodan: do you have unpartitioned space on your drive? |
| 12:21.36 | lanodan | My backups/usb are at 1:30 of driving ;/ |
| 12:22.12 | AWeSomeAo | lanodan: buy a new one at a local shop |
| 12:22.13 | lanodan | And I canât even flash another disk, /dev isnât updating |
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| 12:22.31 | jelly | nbl: X apps use two kinds of fonts, server-side rendered X11 bitmap fonts (listed with xlsfonts), and client-side rendered (mostly) vectorized fonts (listed with fc-list). The latter does not use bitmap fonts by default, in part because many apps look uglier when they're enabled, in part because noone in the distro cared to tune font ordering and replacements for that not to happen. |
| 12:23.40 | rdz | hey all. i have a (possibly legal) question about debian policies: assuming i found a script that is released under GPL-2. the script plays live tv streams from a list of http-URLs which are accessible without auth, but are actually meant to be accessed through the web-frontend of an iptv provider. would there be an issue in including a deb-package of the script in the official debian repos? |
| 12:24.42 | lanodan | rdz: I donât think so, itâs supposed to be public |
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| 12:24.54 | rdz | lanodan, what is supposed to be pubic? |
| 12:25.06 | lanodan | the URLs |
| 12:25.32 | rdz | lanodan, what does public constitute? I can publish them somewhere and they are public from this very moment on |
| 12:25.48 | nbl | jelly: Ok thank you! Now I know the difference between both but I can use bitmap font with xterm not with gedit for example. I deleted the 70-no-bitmap-font.conf symlink in /etc/fonts/conf.d whereas on debian wheezy this steps work and on jessie don't |
| 12:26.26 | lanodan | I mean that they doesnât require dark magic for accessing it, anyone can just launch they favorite media player on the URL |
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| 12:26.33 | rdz | the question is: is accessing an URL that has no protection at all already 'breaking in'? |
| 12:27.13 | rdz | lanodan, the URLs don't need dark magic at all.. you can play them directly with: mplayer $URL |
| 12:27.14 | jelly | nbl: yes, that's because xterm is one of rare apps that actually still use server-side X11 fonts |
| 12:27.52 | rdz | the script provides a simplified frontend to mplayer, so that you can select stream based on channel name |
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| 12:28.24 | nbl | jelly: there is no solution to make use first bitmap font with client side app ? |
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| 12:29.15 | jelly | nbl: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 12:29.56 | nbl | jelly: I've already done it |
| 12:30.04 | lanodan | If itâs public/open/⦠it should be allright, just in case if there is a license/legal-thing on that web-frontend read it |
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| 12:31.03 | jelly | nbl: did it create /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-yes-bitmaps.conf symlink? |
| 12:31.15 | nbl | jelly: yeah :) |
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| 12:31.33 | rdz | lanodan, the urls aren't published anywhere and they are most likely not meant to be public.. so that means packaging such a script would violate Debian's policies.. |
| 12:32.09 | nbl | these instructions work on debian wheezy but not on jessie I don't know why |
| 12:32.25 | rdz | it's just that the urls themselves can be accessed without auth.. and i wonder whether that means they can be considered 'public' |
| 12:32.29 | lanodan | In that case just put them on whatever social thing ;D |
| 12:32.37 | rdz | haha |
| 12:32.46 | rdz | lanodan, good point |
| 12:33.49 | themill | rdz: using resources that aren't part of a public API tends to be a poor choice for a debian package. What happens to the debian package when those URLs get changed? |
| 12:33.49 | rdz | i won't do it, though...not so interested to test if that causes troubles |
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| 12:34.08 | rdz | themill, good point, too |
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| 12:34.50 | rdz | themill, this could be mitigated by maintaining a list on a public site and that script would use that as a resource |
| 12:35.18 | lanodan | And then that public site goes down ;D |
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| 12:35.47 | rdz | the same with software that isn't maintained anymore... they vanish from the repos.. |
| 12:35.55 | rdz | i think that is the normal course of a debian package |
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| 12:37.12 | themill | It's a perpetual problem for youtube downloaders and get_iplayer. They end up not being in stable releases (which essentially means not in Debian) because they can't be supported |
| 12:38.12 | nbl | nobodu can help for this f*cking font issue |
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| 12:39.36 | AWeSomeAo | language |
| 12:40.53 | rdz | themill, technical aspects aside, would it violate debian policies (politics, legal issues)? |
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| 12:45.20 | afciimm | debian 8 minimal install, (base, x, fluxbox and a few apps). I am all for reading and learning, but I want a secure system while I do that. All the guides for hardening debian are way out of date, that I can find. Is there an up to list somewhere.. top 10 things to do, an up to date list? |
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| 12:47.48 | AWeSomeAo | afciimm: you learn by mistakes. forget about "having everything secure while you fail along" |
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| 12:53.42 | afciimm | AWeSomeAo: sounds like sane advice. |
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| 12:53.57 | oznt | hi everyone, is there someone here that uses runit? I have a a problem invoking chpst with -m option |
| 12:54.14 | arod | I'm running iceweasel 38.1.0 on debian sid. Did debian-mozilla people stripped off "reader view"? I'd like to use that feature (have no interest in pocket integration) |
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| 12:55.19 | themill | arod: isn't reader in v 39? |
| 12:55.41 | arod | themill, should be there from 38.0.5 |
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| 13:00.10 | asla | petn-randall: The region should be available - it's not already reserved as per `cat /proc/iomem` |
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| 13:00.22 | asla | What else could be causing the problem ? |
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| 13:00.41 | asla | Could there be some mechanism that stops random reservations at boot ? |
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| 13:12.21 | ThunderFrog | hi folks, i'm discovering ipsec and consider to switch to ipsec from openvpn on my debian boxes and i'm wondering if it works smoothly from desktops in general |
| 13:12.43 | ThunderFrog | in the docs i see there are difficulties with NAT.. |
| 13:12.53 | BluesKaj | ThunderFrog, what's wrong with openvpn ? |
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| 13:13.25 | ThunderFrog | it depends on openssl, encryption is done on user-level. Ipsec does it in the kernel |
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| 13:15.22 | BluesKaj | openssl is safe at the user level now, after the patch was implemented last yr |
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| 13:16.03 | themill | you seem to be missing the </irony> tag |
| 13:16.16 | ThunderFrog | haha |
| 13:16.45 | jelly | ah yes, THE patch |
| 13:16.59 | petn-randall | Hahahahahaha |
| 13:17.27 | petn-randall | ThunderFrog: The code being *in* the kernel makes it safer? How? |
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| 13:17.40 | BluesKaj | but to each his own, my openvpn setup works well, but I don't suffer from the paranoia implanred by the hype |
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| 13:17.48 | ThunderFrog | petn-randall: not safer, but faster |
| 13:17.50 | jelly | petn-randall: kernel devs are infallible and their review process impeccable |
| 13:17.58 | BluesKaj | or implanted even |
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| 13:18.56 | BluesKaj | notes some sarcasm, but I'm no kernel expert' |
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| 13:19.28 | jelly | promised himself he'd use less sarcasm :-| |
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| 13:20.10 | petn-randall | ThunderFrog: I don't think that the ~ 100µs you safe from not having a context switch will be noticeable with packet latencies on the network being a ~1000x higher. |
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| 13:20.16 | petn-randall | s/safe/save/ |
| 13:20.51 | lanodan | what is that patch ? |
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| 13:21.27 | petn-randall | lanodan: That was the irony, there was a major cleanup after the heartbleed disaster. |
| 13:21.36 | lanodan | Oh yeah |
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| 13:21.57 | ThunderFrog | petn-randall: maybe you'r right, but i was also curious about ipsec just for the sake of learning to work with it. |
| 13:22.07 | ThunderFrog | and it's a bit more universal than openvpn |
| 13:22.27 | jelly | it's also complex |
| 13:22.49 | trae32566[w] | anyone know what the default kernel on deb 7 is? |
| 13:22.53 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 13:22.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.7-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.1-1~exp1) |
| 13:23.05 | BluesKaj | ipsec wasn't relaible IME , so I switched to openvpn |
| 13:23.08 | jelly | trae32566[w]: ^^ 3.2.68-1+deb7u2 |
| 13:23.26 | BluesKaj | lanodan, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl |
| 13:23.58 | Anoneemo | Hi. Browsing is slow but not in the sense of download speed but in the time it takes to get a response from a website. It almost takes more time to actually wait for the website to start loading than for it to completely load. Why's that? DNS are not a problem as in Windows that time is almost instant. |
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| 13:25.23 | AWeSomeAo | Anoneemo: might be packet loss, or a plastic router low of ram (has to throw away connections, kills keep-alive) |
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| 13:25.52 | Anoneemo | it's an OS based problem |
| 13:26.09 | ThunderFrog | hmm, out of curiousity; who here would prefer ipsec over openvpn? |
| 13:26.30 | ThunderFrog | if you're talking about a production env |
| 13:26.47 | BluesKaj | Anoneemo, all bowsers show the same behaviour? |
| 13:26.58 | BluesKaj | err browsers |
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| 13:26.58 | rozie | Anoneemo: maybe your Linux use other DNS? |
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| 13:27.13 | AWeSomeAo | ThunderFrog: usually I prefer openvpn, because it uses udp and is more compatible to networks that you don't control |
| 13:27.24 | rozie | if not, I'd take a look on MTU |
| 13:27.37 | ThunderFrog | AWeSomeAo: good point, i'm also having that one in mind |
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| 13:27.56 | rozie | Anoneemo: provide ifconfig, cat /etc/resolv.conf, details on network topology psl |
| 13:27.59 | rozie | pls* |
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| 13:28.39 | Anoneemo | not only all browsers show the same behaviour, BluesKaj , but on hexchat I have a script that each time anybody posts a link, it establishes a connection to the website and pastes the link in chat. This time is significantly slower in hexchat for linux than in hexchat for windows |
| 13:28.54 | Anoneemo | it's a request OS-based issue |
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| 13:29.30 | iseon | Has anyone attempted to install the new amd catalyst 15.7 driver on debian? |
| 13:30.21 | BluesKaj | Anoneemo, why would you ned a script to make a connection to a posterd URL in an irc client? |
| 13:30.22 | jelly | Anoneemo: which browser are you using? |
| 13:30.37 | jelly | BluesKaj: to look at ALL the cat videos, duhh |
| 13:30.51 | BluesKaj | heh |
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| 13:32.10 | BluesKaj | jelly, guess I'm missing something |
| 13:32.19 | Anoneemo | sorry, I mean it pastes that page Title in chat, BluesKaj |
| 13:32.23 | jelly | Anoneemo: it could be anything from name resolving issues, tcp stack, perception of redrawing in X... |
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| 13:32.57 | BluesKaj | Anoneemo, uhm ok. |
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| 13:33.47 | Anoneemo | is there a way to track what happens when I'm requesting a connection to an hostname |
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| 13:33.49 | Anoneemo | ? |
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| 13:44.13 | asasmita | Hi :), I have a question if I install a software from source to /opt/softwarename, does the files only go to that directory, or does some of the files go to /lib directory. thx before :) |
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| 13:45.46 | asasmita | ls -ltr |
| 13:46.00 | louiedog | asasmita: if you mean with --prefix=/opt/softwarename, all files should be under that prefix |
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| 13:46.44 | asasmita | louiedog: yes that is it hehe. thx lauiedog |
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| 13:47.46 | asasmita | if you install from a .deb package the files will be scattered right? I'm a bit confused hehe |
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| 13:52.36 | lkeijser | hi, I think I know the answer, but just wanted to make sure: is any version of debian affected by CVE-2015-1793 ? |
| 13:52.48 | Kitfox | which presinstalled desktop for live debian is most lightweight? |
| 13:52.58 | Kitfox | xfce? |
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| 13:54.01 | Kitfox | lxde or xfce I guess? |
| 13:54.03 | DexterF | Kitfox: X+xterm ;) nah, rally, IceWM comes to mind or Ratpoison. XFCE is pretty lightweight, but you can slim it still from there, qustion is how much of your usual comfort you are willing to sacrifice |
| 13:54.20 | Kitfox | this is for live testing usb stick |
| 13:54.22 | DexterF | fluxbox perhaps |
| 13:54.54 | Kitfox | I need to make it persistent and get few important packages so I can run performance tests on few computers same time |
| 13:55.00 | AWeSomeAo | twm :) |
| 13:55.05 | Kitfox | it's not for normal use |
| 13:55.07 | Kitfox | actually... |
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| 13:55.23 | Kitfox | Also what is standard? |
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| 13:55.30 | Kitfox | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-i386-standard.iso |
| 13:55.32 | Kitfox | like here |
| 13:55.43 | DexterF | hm, xfce has quite a few library dependencies, but loading times do not matter much booting from usb. if low mem is key fluxbox or Ice. |
| 13:56.03 | AWeSomeAo | if building for systems without mosue, use i3wm |
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| 13:56.19 | AWeSomeAo | Kitfox: define "standard" |
| 13:56.34 | Kitfox | I gave link lol. |
| 13:56.39 | Kitfox | It's just listed as standard |
| 13:56.40 | AWeSomeAo | just because tasksel is proposing some, that doesn't make it standard |
| 13:56.47 | Kitfox | Heh |
| 13:57.09 | DexterF | I have a question on debian ISOs: when an ISO gets released like 8.1.0 and core components receive upgrades in the repos, will the upgrades be merged into the ISO or will the ISO stay as it is for as long as the version is hosted? |
| 13:58.02 | Kitfox | well I will just get it among others to test heh |
| 13:58.02 | AWeSomeAo | you gave a link to an iso file. you said "this is for live testing usb stick" - therefore you are compiling something from the debian repositories... a medium like a cd is just one of the many ways how packages can be put on your computer |
| 13:58.02 | Kitfox | afk be back later, something happened |
| 13:58.02 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: isos stay the same |
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| 13:58.39 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: however, if network is present, all updated packages will be updated automagically |
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| 13:58.47 | AWeSomeAo | (during install) |
| 13:59.16 | DexterF | AWeSomeAo: which then means if, say, a daemon is vulnerable and you install with the machine connected to the network, the daemon is vulnerable until the update is installed? |
| 13:59.50 | DexterF | AWeSomeAo: or will it check for an online version and install the update right away before installing from install iso? |
| 14:00.24 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: it will install base wsystem from cd, then after adding repos, it checks for updates AND installs your selection |
| 14:01.01 | DexterF | wonders why people use windows |
| 14:01.05 | DexterF | AWeSomeAo: thanks |
| 14:01.07 | AWeSomeAo | during install, you will be vulnerable to bugs from the installer live-cd. But very few services are started |
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| 14:01.53 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: I wonder, too. I worked for a hosting company, and whenever we deployed windows, we had to do it offline to update it. If not, it got infected while it was downloading the gigabytes of updates |
| 14:02.02 | DexterF | ok, one other thing: I intend to install the most slimmed down debian from an official installation medium without an internet connection. which installation medium should I go for? |
| 14:02.50 | DexterF | AWeSomeAo: exactly why I ask. a german computer mag regularly releases a script that launches from a live linnux and builds offline update DVDs to avoid that. |
| 14:02.50 | GreatSage | DexterF: they game |
| 14:02.58 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: if "Money" doesn't matter, still get the DVD1. You'll have access to more packages without internet just in case |
| 14:03.08 | DexterF | GreatSage: I hope we have that dragon slain in good time |
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| 14:03.46 | GreatSage | well, Brutal Legend and Borderlands are ported already |
| 14:03.50 | GreatSage | Terraria is coming soon |
| 14:04.02 | GreatSage | I'll have no further requests then |
| 14:04.04 | DexterF | Arkham Knight is announced (hopefully fixed by then) |
| 14:04.23 | GreatSage | not to mention Minecraft, which was always java |
| 14:04.29 | DexterF | Project Cars will have a port, I heard |
| 14:04.42 | Kitfox | Back. |
| 14:05.16 | Kitfox | Anyway as I said I am getting debian live for USB stick and I want to make it persistent to get few packages installed. That's about it. |
| 14:05.39 | GreatSage | I use Porteus for that |
| 14:05.48 | GreatSage | builtin persistence functionality |
| 14:06.17 | Kitfox | Debian live has not? |
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| 14:06.38 | AWeSomeAo | Kitfox: remember, smaller does not equal faster when going for the final size of your live linux. But bigger might equal more flexibility in the long run |
| 14:06.43 | Kitfox | Also I need certain packages like Thinkfan that ain't common and not work properly with all relases. |
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| 14:09.25 | AWeSomeAo | DexterF: /msg'd you |
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| 14:15.14 | Dionis | hello |
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| 14:16.10 | Dionis | i've updated my pc from wheezy to jessie and now gnome doesn't start |
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| 14:16.27 | Dionis | can you help me with it please |
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| 14:23.51 | otyugh__ | hey there |
| 14:24.07 | otyugh__ | I'm looking for a tool to execute something when a device is connected |
| 14:24.26 | otyugh__ | like "if UUID=xxx connected then cp ..." |
| 14:25.01 | otyugh__ | I listen to podcast, the whole idea is to just plug wait, and go |
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| 14:26.57 | cdrage | trying to mount ufs/ufs2 on debian, do I really need to recompile the kernel for this? |
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| 14:28.47 | Anoneemo | Hi. I have an issue: every time I try to connect to a website, it takes a big amount of time to establish a connection to that website. It's not about download speed, it's about contacting that host. Why is this? |
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| 14:30.29 | louiedog | Anoneemo: dns possibly? check resolv.conf |
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| 14:31.10 | zh1 | whats correct package on debian for pidgin plugins? |
| 14:31.36 | AWeSomeAo | zh1: type apt-cache search pidgin |
| 14:31.38 | Anoneemo | this is resolve.conf, louiedog |
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| 14:31.40 | Anoneemo | search DSL2740B |
| 14:31.40 | Anoneemo | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
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| 14:32.02 | Anoneemo | it's set correctly. It *should* get DNS from my router |
| 14:32.03 | AWeSomeAo | Anoneemo: try replacing the contents of the file with: nameserver 4.2.2.1 |
| 14:32.14 | AWeSomeAo | routers sometimes are horribly slow doing dns |
| 14:32.22 | Anoneemo | yeah but |
| 14:32.33 | AWeSomeAo | change it, try it |
| 14:32.35 | Anoneemo | the problem is that on Windows and Android it's ok |
| 14:32.40 | AWeSomeAo | if the problem persists, we can go further |
| 14:32.48 | Anoneemo | ok |
| 14:33.20 | AWeSomeAo | or if you trust google, you can use 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:34.43 | surs2 | hi, I want to add my user to sudo. # usermod -aG sudo surs2 gives no error |
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| 14:35.09 | cdrage | so i've got ufs load (modprobe ufs) but still cant mount ufs, any ideas? |
| 14:35.31 | surs2 | $ groups shows that this usere is NOT in sudo. /etc/groups has surs2 in sudo. $ sudo test fails. What is the problem? |
| 14:35.44 | Shadur | surs2: your currently logged in sessions won't magically update their group identities. The next login shell you open will be fine. |
| 14:35.59 | Shadur | su - surs2 |
| 14:36.14 | Anoneemo | it works, AWeSomeAo |
| 14:36.25 | cdrage | ` |
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| 14:36.37 | AWeSomeAo | Anoneemo: so it is in fact your DNS |
| 14:36.58 | louiedog | Sounded like dns |
| 14:37.15 | AWeSomeAo | "hy's that? DNS are not a problem as in Windows that time is almost instant. |
| 14:37.34 | AWeSomeAo | never trust the requestor |
| 14:37.42 | Anoneemo | what do you mean? |
| 14:37.49 | AWeSomeAo | you said "DNS are not a problem" |
| 14:37.56 | Anoneemo | oh yeah |
| 14:38.00 | AWeSomeAo | now we evrified, the DNS of your router is the problem |
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| 14:38.17 | Anoneemo | no I'm pretty sure they're not |
| 14:38.27 | AWeSomeAo | got years of experience in professional computer support :D |
| 14:38.36 | Anoneemo | unfortunately I think it's more of an issue of debian interfacing with the router |
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| 14:39.25 | AWeSomeAo | the question is: do you have a sane reason to let your router handle dns? I guess it is a slow, cheap plastic box |
| 14:39.34 | surs2 | thanks Shadur |
| 14:39.43 | jelly | Anoneemo: does eg. "getent hosts google.com" react faster, the same, or slower with google's recursor nameserver in place than with your router as nameserver? |
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| 14:39.58 | AWeSomeAo | Anoneemo: what happens if you remove the "search" line and just leave "nameserver 192.168.1.1" |
| 14:39.59 | Anoneemo | I actually do, AWeSomeAo, I'm going to explain you now |
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| 14:40.11 | Anoneemo | mmm |
| 14:40.16 | Anoneemo | wait, I try that first |
| 14:40.21 | Anoneemo | brb |
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| 14:41.40 | AWeSomeAo | Anoneemo: I don't know default "search" behaviour. But it might look for every hostname at your-domain.com.DSL2740B first |
| 14:41.49 | Anoneemo | holy cra* seems it's working |
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| 14:41.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | MY123 seems to have been running a very persistent rejoin. |
| 14:41.58 | Anoneemo | can you please give me some URLS I never visited? |
| 14:42.02 | Anoneemo | (because cache) |
| 14:42.03 | AWeSomeAo | heise.de |
| 14:42.19 | abrotman | NoImNotNineVolt: thanks, we've gone over that |
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| 14:42.28 | surs2 | I am running debian 8 in a vm. The window (i.e. screen) is tiny though. How do I increase the resolution? |
| 14:42.33 | Anoneemo | you are the man, AWeSomeAo |
| 14:42.36 | Anoneemo | thank you. |
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| 14:42.41 | Anoneemo | fixed it. |
| 14:42.48 | surs2 | I'm already on the highest resolution in the gui display settings |
| 14:43.13 | AWeSomeAo | surs2: virtualbox? parallels? vmware? |
| 14:43.15 | MY123 | NoImNotNineVolt, it's my crappy ISP |
| 14:43.21 | surs2 | AWeSomeAo: virtualbox |
| 14:43.25 | surs2 | oh right.. |
| 14:43.28 | surs2 | guest additions |
| 14:43.29 | AWeSomeAo | surs2: did you install vm tools? |
| 14:43.49 | surs2 | vm tools? |
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| 14:44.05 | AWeSomeAo | MY123: does your irc client feature a keep-alive setting? maybe you want to set that to 30s |
| 14:44.24 | AWeSomeAo | MY123: I had problems with a router trashing connections, so maybe keeping the tcp active might help |
| 14:44.34 | MY123 | AWeSomeAo, it's HexChat |
| 14:44.35 | AWeSomeAo | surs2: vm tools = guest additions |
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| 14:45.27 | MY123 | AWeSomeAo, after joining ##fix_my_connection, the problem was fixed because the connection was always kept alive |
| 14:45.57 | surs2 | AWeSomeAo: which repo are they in though? I can't find them with apt-cache |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | move along ... |
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| 14:46.11 | Anoneemo | you have no idea what I've been through, AWeSomeAo |
| 14:46.25 | AWeSomeAo | surs2: they are not in a repo. they have to be installed via Virtualbox |
| 14:46.33 | Anoneemo | I told people DNS were not the problem and they would not believe me, thank you, really |
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| 14:47.04 | MY123 | What is the oldest kernel version that Jessie works with? |
| 14:47.20 | MY123 | (it doesn't work with 2.6.10 ...) |
| 14:47.59 | MY123 | if anyone asks why I need such a old version, it's for a graphics driver |
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| 14:49.19 | MY123 | blame nVidia...(Geforce 2 MX2) |
| 14:49.33 | head8debian | Im getting this error while trying to connect over ssh to another machine in virt-manager. Both machines run debian jessie and yes, netcat is installed. The remote host requires a version of netcat/nc |
| 14:49.37 | head8debian | which supports the -U option. |
| 14:49.37 | jelly | MY123: userspace with sysvinit works with 2.6.32 from squeeze |
| 14:49.39 | head8debian | Any ideas? |
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| 14:50.42 | head8debian | I cannot believe debian would package a program that half works. |
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| 14:53.02 | jelly | head8debian: believe it. Also, there are at least 3 netcats packaged. Install and try each one? |
| 14:53.29 | jelly | judd: whatprovides netcat |
| 14:53.33 | judd | Package netcat in jessie/amd64 is provided by: netcat-openbsd, netcat-traditional. netcat is also a real package. |
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| 14:55.59 | MY123 | je2.6.32 is too new for the nVIDIA GPU driver |
| 14:56.16 | MY123 | jelly, itt's a very old card, after all... |
| 14:56.49 | AWeSomeAo | MY123: might it be supported by nouvoeu ? |
| 14:57.01 | jelly | MY123: if it doesn't work well with nouveau, you're out of luck I'm afraid |
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| 14:57.41 | MY123 | jelly, it was supported by nouveau_vieux, but that seems to have been removed |
| 14:58.19 | MY123 | (from a quick dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dri) |
| 15:00.15 | MY123 | the reproductible builds initiative is nice :) |
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| 15:04.39 | nebbia | hello everyone... i have a problem.. with xfce...i installed thunar-volman and added the user in the "plugdev" group automount works perfectly for all filesystems (even ntfs) except for fat32, indeed when i insert a fat32 usb key it tells me "bad ntfs signature, the command mount /dev/sdb1 fails" and other things... |
| 15:04.40 | nebbia | but if i mount the usb key manually with "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usb/" it works... |
| 15:04.40 | nebbia | how do i let fat32 automount ? |
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| 15:07.44 | moumoutte | hello all, I've tried to update my debian sid and I get this error |
| 15:07.56 | moumoutte | Unpacking debconf-kde-data (1.0.1-2) ... |
| 15:07.56 | moumoutte | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf-kde-data_1.0.1-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/bs/LC_MESSAGES/libdebconf-kde.mo', which is also in package libdebconf-kde0 0.3-1 |
| 15:07.56 | dpkg | moumoutte: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:08.12 | moumoutte | okay sorry for the spam |
| 15:08.43 | moumoutte | http://pastebin.com/qf4w8igc |
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| 15:09.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell moumoutte about debian-next |
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| 15:10.43 | jelly | moumoutte: this kind of occurence is normal for sid, wait a couple days and look at the bug tracking system to see if it's reported already |
| 15:10.53 | moumoutte | okay thank you |
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| 15:12.39 | Kitfox | debian live standard version is without xorg desktop? |
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| 15:14.20 | AWeSomeAo | Kitfox: what is a standard version? |
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| 15:17.04 | CQq | hello... I just updated from wheezy to jessie, how my networking is dead. Could be the routing... http://paste.debian.net/280706/ any ideas? |
| 15:17.26 | CQq | this is in a VM, one itnerface is host-only (the 192 one), and the 10.x one is for outside |
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| 15:19.04 | head8debian | CQq: You cannot ping out? |
| 15:19.15 | CQq | head8debian: not to google.com |
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| 15:19.20 | head8debian | hmm. |
| 15:20.00 | head8debian | join #virt-manager |
| 15:20.07 | head8debian | Arg! :p |
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| 15:20.20 | CQq | From 192.168.56.10 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable .... can't seem to get to the host |
| 15:20.29 | Kitfox | AWeSomeAo, actually it's most likely versions without X.org. |
| 15:20.40 | CQq | I can ping to 10.0.2.2 |
| 15:20.41 | Kitfox | and without any desktop manager installed like gnome |
| 15:20.48 | cdrage | it's #virt on oftc actually :) |
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| 15:21.09 | head8debian | So i notice. :) |
| 15:21.38 | head8debian | Now i am getting this error. "End of file while reading data: nc: unix connect failed: No such file or directory: Input/output error" |
| 15:21.45 | Kitfox | AWeSomeAo, I had to download and install it to find out |
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| 15:22.06 | cdrage | i did have the same issue though head8debian when I was installing |
| 15:22.10 | cdrage | kvm |
| 15:22.31 | head8debian | Im trying to connect to a server over ssh in virt-manager. |
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| 15:22.44 | head8debian | Nothing but errors this whole time. :p |
| 15:22.47 | cdrage | i just restarted the libvirtd daemon to be honest and made sure I added the libvirt usergroup to whatever user is runing libvirtd, so for me, i added libvirt to root |
| 15:23.15 | head8debian | maybe i should reboot. |
| 15:23.20 | cdrage | yeah |
| 15:23.28 | head8debian | brb. |
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| 15:23.39 | head8debian | my IRC client is on my server. |
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| 15:23.50 | head8debian | Too bad i cannot tranfer it to my desktop. :p |
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| 15:25.26 | head8debian | Nope. |
| 15:25.31 | head8debian | :-/ |
| 15:26.07 | cdrage | head8debian: you make sure in /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf that unix_sock_group ="libvirt" |
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| 15:26.22 | cdrage | and unix_sock_rw_perms = "0777" |
| 15:26.33 | cdrage | and unix_sock_dir = "/var/run/libvirt"? |
| 15:26.44 | cdrage | do that and then service libvirtd restart |
| 15:26.48 | BluesKaj | what's the debian jessie equivalent to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf that resides in ubuntu bassed OSs ..I can't seem to late an equivalen tconfig file to solidufy my soundcards to index=0 and index=1 order ? |
| 15:27.01 | head8debian | Ah, ha! |
| 15:27.06 | head8debian | Oh,you said something. |
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| 15:27.27 | cdrage | works now? |
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| 15:27.59 | head8debian | cdrage: I haven't tried it. THis is what i got when i tried starting it manually. http://pastebin.com/82kHZmub |
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| 15:28.47 | x86_64 | i would like to get AltGR US International on my tty1-6 |
| 15:28.49 | x86_64 | how? |
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| 15:29.17 | BluesKaj | Let me rephrase the question :what's the debian jessie equivalent to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf that resides in ubuntu bassed OSs ..I can't seem to find an equivalent config file to solidfy my soundcards to index=0 and index=1 default order ? |
| 15:29.24 | head8debian | I don't have a /etc/libvirtd* folder. |
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| 15:34.04 | cdrage | you should be starting it via service libvirtd start |
| 15:34.31 | cdrage | wait, is libvirt-kvm installed? |
| 15:34.53 | cdrage | woops, i mean qemu-kvm |
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| 15:38.49 | head8debian | cdrage: Nope. ;) |
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| 15:39.24 | head8debian | And nor did it fix it. |
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| 15:46.12 | cdrage | weird |
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| 15:48.39 | head8debian | cdrage: I got it! |
| 15:49.23 | head8debian | libvirt-bin libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system |
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| 15:49.32 | head8debian | One of those. |
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| 16:01.19 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: I believe you can create that file yourself. |
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| 16:02.28 | Ultima | hello, I'm currently trying to create a systemd service file, what is the escape character? |
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| 16:03.48 | mivzel | There is no escape from systemd |
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| 16:04.29 | minitrue | systemd will kill all of us. resistance is futil |
| 16:04.43 | Ultima | I am geting an code=exited, status 203/EXEC |
| 16:04.51 | mivzel | Yes, it is inevitable |
| 16:04.57 | Ultima | hmmm.... |
| 16:05.46 | AWeSomeAo | only a mtter of time until systemd provides an own kernel |
| 16:05.47 | Ultima | I need to provide full path, there are spaces in the path, systemd will read this fine? |
| 16:05.59 | AWeSomeAo | and a display server |
| 16:06.10 | mivzel | and a graphical interface |
| 16:06.15 | mivzel | and a web browser |
| 16:06.31 | mivzel | Then it will be binary only |
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| 16:07.05 | minitrue | hugs hurd "dont be afraid" |
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| 16:08.55 | JC_SoCal_ | hello -- for debian based distros, the ones that have software preloaded, is there a way to enumerate all the addtional software added? I don't want to see common software between them, just the deltas they added |
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| 16:13.32 | jaybe | JC_SoCal_, `dpkg -l` |
| 16:13.52 | Ultima | so when there are spaces on the full path to the executable, how to you escape the spaces? if there is no escape that means you cant have spaces in the full path correct? |
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| 16:17.49 | ChrisH | Ultima: " or \ |
| 16:18.25 | ChrisH | Ultima: normally I rename the directories |
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| 16:18.43 | Ultima | ChrisH: I tried both, the config did not work with " or \, it caused systemd to throw an argument error |
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| 16:18.47 | JyZyXEL | how do you force iceweasel to use html5 video on youtube? |
| 16:19.10 | AvatarA | you force YouTube |
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| 16:19.12 | Ultima | ChrisH: that is my current fix |
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| 16:19.30 | AvatarA | https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 16:19.53 | JyZyXEL | i tried the html5 link but still its adobe flash :\ |
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| 16:23.05 | AvatarA | you tried that link while logged in? |
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| 16:23.14 | JyZyXEL | logged in? |
| 16:23.24 | AvatarA | to your youtube account |
| 16:23.35 | JyZyXEL | i didn't even know such thing existed |
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| 16:25.25 | AvatarA | anyway it should work even when not logged in |
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| 16:26.03 | JyZyXEL | maybe iceweasel is not html5 video capable |
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| 16:27.02 | head8debian | It is. |
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| 16:27.32 | head8debian | It plays it better than chrome IMHO. :) |
| 16:27.42 | AvatarA | when you go to that page, is H.264 supported? |
| 16:27.56 | AvatarA | first 3 boxes should have a checkmark |
| 16:28.00 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 16:28.25 | JyZyXEL | chromium has all boxes ticked :P |
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| 16:28.40 | AvatarA | you can enable the rest of them in Firefox too |
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| 16:43.05 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 16:43.06 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.1.0esr-2; stretch: 38.1.0esr-2; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1; |
| 16:43.07 | judd | experimental: 39.0-1 |
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| 16:49.45 | head8debian | Backports has a newer version? I should check it out. |
| 16:49.51 | rhizome | is build-essential a single package, or is it different depending on what follows it? |
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| 16:51.21 | bazhang | meta package |
| 16:51.42 | bazhang | it draws in gcc etc |
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| 16:52.23 | head8debian | Hmm, i have jessie backports main, but still running version 31. |
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| 16:52.44 | rhizome | ah right, thanks. i must have been thinking build-dep, which is apparently a command |
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| 16:54.57 | bazhang | np |
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| 17:06.55 | Deiwsots | someone knows how i can remove /var/lib/schroot/mounts directories? |
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| 17:07.33 | Deiwsots | when i try remove it , i receved this error message ""rm: cannot remove â/var/lib/schroot/mount/jessie-6f67418e-6308-4e87-872a-03075b7239f9â: Device or resource busy |
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| 17:08.21 | rhizome | do you have it open in a terminal or file browser, or is something running from it? |
| 17:08.38 | Brigo | Deiwsots, try lsof |
| 17:08.48 | Brigo | lsof /var/lib/schroot/mount/jessie-6f67418e-6308-4e87-872a-03075b7239f9 |
| 17:08.58 | Deiwsots | rhizome: nothing is running |
| 17:09.03 | Brigo | will show you the programs using that directory. |
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| 17:09.54 | Deiwsots | Brigo: i have tried that but lsof not shows nothing |
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| 17:12.04 | Deiwsots | root@:/var/lib/schroot/mount# lsof /var/lib/schroot/mount/jessie-6f67418e-6308-4e87-872a-03075b7239f9 |
| 17:12.04 | Deiwsots | root@debian:/var/lib/schroot/mount# |
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| 17:13.10 | Brigo | Deiwsots, that looks like a container or chroot directory, is there anything related running? like docker, lxc, chroot, etc. ? |
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| 17:15.16 | Deiwsots | Brigo: absolutely nothing. all chroot sessions were deleted |
| 17:15.23 | Brigo | Deiwsots, lsof +D /var/lib/schroot/mount/jessie-6f67418e-6308-4e87-872a-03075b7239f9 |
| 17:15.35 | Brigo | recursive |
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| 17:16.12 | Brigo | if no luck, check mount |
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| 17:16.54 | Deiwsots | Brigo: still nothing :( |
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| 17:20.14 | Deiwsots | Brigo: are you think that would it be a schroot bug or something like that? |
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| 17:27.29 | jhutchins | Deiwsots: Unmount it. |
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| 17:28.20 | buddybenj | When I run redshift -l LAT:LON, I get Gamma ramp size too small: 0 Failed to start adjustment method randr. |
| 17:28.20 | buddybenj | Trying next method... Using method `vidmode'. And then it just hangs. |
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| 17:29.43 | buddybenj | Is redshift broken on Debian or something? Because when I launch redshift-gtk, it also freezes. |
| 17:31.28 | Deiwsots | jhutchins: is not mounted |
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| 17:31.54 | jhutchins | Deiwsots: Something thinks it is. |
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| 17:38.31 | fennesz | Hello guys! can anyone tell me what a normal cpu temperature might be on idle? |
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| 17:47.16 | rhizome | nice nick. google says <50ish C |
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| 18:10.47 | jd1 | certainly depends on your cpu. I would search google based on that model |
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| 18:15.45 | HL521 | hey, I can't find the driver to my wireless card. lsusb -v only shows manufacturer, not chipset I need to look for |
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| 18:22.05 | fennesz | rhizome, sorry didn't see your reply ! with sensors I get this :http://paste.debian.net/280763/ |
| 18:22.48 | fennesz | rhizome, should I be worried ? Also my fan is louder than on Windows for example. are there any mods ? I am on debian 8 |
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| 18:24.45 | acz32 | for some reason i can't change the backlight on my laptop. they keyboard controls don't work, and i installed xbacklight and it doesn't work either |
| 18:24.53 | Kitfox | Does xfce live version has partition manager pre-installed? |
| 18:25.03 | Kitfox | I want to make persistence on my usb stick |
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| 18:29.59 | altin | Is there a way I can disable a specific USB port? Let's say disable reading and writing data from it, but I could at least charge my phone on it ? |
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| 18:31.21 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:31.36 | Anoneemo | Hi. I need to edit the resolv.conf file but after I do it (usually with sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf ) it keeps going back to unedited after rebooting. Is there a way to put a permanent edit? |
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| 18:32.27 | Posterdati | please help, I'm trying to make agetty work on boot using ttyS0 115200 8n1 but the serial-getty@ttyS0.service starts console at 9600 |
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| 18:33.52 | Anoneemo | sorry I crashed |
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| 18:34.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell Anoneemo about override dns |
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| 18:37.47 | ChrisH | Anoneemo: might be edieted by resolvconf and/or NtworkMAnager |
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| 18:41.11 | Anoneemo | where is dhclient.conf located at? |
| 18:41.27 | Equa | Anoneemo: /etc/dhcp/ |
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| 18:42.07 | Anoneemo | thanks |
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| 18:47.44 | Kitfox | what is default root password? |
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| 18:51.23 | jhutchins | Kitfox: There is no such thing. You set the password during the installation process. |
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| 18:57.52 | Kitfox | Right. |
| 18:58.17 | Kitfox | Anyway I can't do persistence in live USB somehow |
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| 19:06.15 | jdahm | is systemd not being used for the system services logging on Jessie? I seem to be able to start/stop services with systemctl but 'journalctl' shows no logs |
| 19:07.31 | cdrage | head8debian: you managed to fix it? |
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| 19:09.48 | jdahm | nevermind, I forgot to use 'sudo' so it was accessing the systemctl --user system logs I guess |
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| 19:12.26 | head8debian | cdrage: Yes. |
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| 19:13.40 | djshotglass | trying to install aircrack-ng |
| 19:13.47 | djshotglass | i can see it in packages when i google it |
| 19:13.50 | djshotglass | but it wont install |
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| 19:14.37 | jdahm | djshotglass: does it show up when you 'apt search'? |
| 19:15.09 | djshotglass | 'apt search'? |
| 19:15.09 | jaybe | djshotglass, `aptitude show aircrack-ng` |
| 19:15.19 | djshotglass | i dont think i have the right repos |
| 19:15.28 | jdahm | jaybe: I'm encouraging the use of 'apt' :P |
| 19:15.31 | jdahm | you should too |
| 19:15.40 | jdahm | aptitude is sort of older |
| 19:15.43 | djshotglass | No current or candidate version found for aircrack-ng |
| 19:15.45 | jdahm | and does too much imo |
| 19:15.48 | jaybe | jdahm, why is that? i was under the impression aptitude was more current/fous/future |
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| 19:16.19 | jdahm | jaybe: apt is the better one to use I think. aptitude is a wrapper around everything that I don't think is even offically supported |
| 19:16.20 | jaybe | djshotglass, which distribution version are you using? |
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| 19:16.33 | valdyn | jdahm: no |
| 19:16.42 | jdahm | djshotglass: I have to take off, let jaybe help you |
| 19:17.06 | jaybe | jdahm, hrmph; i personally prefer apt frankly... and historically and commonly use apt versus aptitude. someone (clued) had mentioned that aptitude is superior and should be the focus. shrug |
| 19:17.22 | valdyn | jaybe: both are supported, use whatever you like, dont mix them |
| 19:17.23 | jdahm | valdyn: so what is better? |
| 19:17.29 | jdahm | oh ok |
| 19:17.35 | valdyn | jdahm: thats a matter of taste i think |
| 19:17.40 | jaybe | mix? they rely on the same databases and indexes don't they? |
| 19:17.47 | valdyn | jaybe: not completely |
| 19:17.59 | jaybe | creepy |
| 19:18.11 | valdyn | jaybe: its not a big deal |
| 19:18.28 | BluesKaj | some say aptitude doesn't handle dependencies as well as apt-get, forgotten how though |
| 19:18.59 | jaybe | i don't think it's a big deal |
| 19:19.00 | valdyn | its different, not better, thats a gain a matter of taste |
| 19:19.11 | valdyn | or a matter of whatever special case |
| 19:19.49 | BluesKaj | !aptitude |
| 19:19.50 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 19:21.47 | BluesKaj | according to the kubuntu chat infobot: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. You may encounter multiarch problems on non-updated 12.04 installs, see http://pad.lv/831768 for more information |
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| 19:22.52 | BluesKaj | but that differs from debian installs , so that's where the negativity comes in |
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| 19:24.30 | jaybe | !why not aptitude |
| 19:24.31 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 19:24.52 | jaybe | ~why aptitude |
| 19:24.52 | apt | why not? |
| 19:24.55 | jaybe | !why aptitude |
| 19:24.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 19:28.34 | fsociety | hi all #! |
| 19:29.26 | fsociety | is it possible to get help about point linux from here? |
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| 19:35.30 | DammitJim | For my life I can't get JASIG CAS to work on Debian |
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| 19:52.15 | Anoneemo | hey jelly I did what the bot said but no luck so far |
| 19:53.47 | rhizome | is there a best practice for getting ffmpeg on jessie? sorry if this is a FAQ, google ain't helpin' |
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| 19:55.12 | Anoneemo | is there anyone who can help me? I need to edit resolv.conf in a persistent way |
| 19:55.19 | Anoneemo | it keeps resetting itself after reboot |
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| 19:55.30 | rhizome | Anoneemo: are you using dhcp? |
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| 19:55.39 | Anoneemo | yes |
| 19:55.48 | rhizome | do you control the dhcp server? |
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| 19:55.53 | Anoneemo | I tried adding some tricks in the dhclient.conf file but |
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| 19:56.13 | Anoneemo | what do you mean by controlling? The dhcp server is my router |
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| 19:56.59 | mistnim | why doesn't the debian installer see my atheros wireless card, but just the built-in laptop card? |
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| 19:57.22 | mistnim | I bought this card to avoid loading firmware blobs, and instead... |
| 19:57.40 | jdahm | jaybe: ok yeah that's what I don't get. How can something have a different dependency resolution algorithm. It's either a dependency or not |
| 19:57.58 | jdahm | it should be a finite dimensional problem and have a clear answer |
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| 20:03.21 | valdyn | mistnim: which atheros chipset is it? |
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| 20:04.28 | jaybe | jdahm, agreed; weird. from one [clued] person, i got, "only use aptitude; it's awesome", and from resources here i get the opposite. think i'll stick with `apt-get` which i've used since forever |
| 20:04.42 | mistnim | valdyn: ar9271 |
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| 20:05.45 | jdahm | jaybe: ok I think apt just calls apt-get (or uses the python API) so I think they're equivalent |
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| 20:06.58 | Amun_Ra | mistnim: should be in firmware-atheros |
| 20:07.37 | mistnim | I know, but the problem is not that it doesn't load the firmware, it doesn't see the card at all |
| 20:07.38 | mistnim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.46 | valdyn | mistnim: that one works fine, by default. How do you know its not being seen by the installer? |
| 20:08.16 | mistnim | valdyn: yes, it's not being seen by the installer |
| 20:08.25 | valdyn | mistnim: how do you know? |
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| 20:08.49 | mistnim | valdyn ip link show |
| 20:09.03 | mistnim | it just lists wlan0, the built-in card |
| 20:09.14 | valdyn | mistnim: theres no link till you associate to an ap |
| 20:09.42 | valdyn | mistnim: run "iwconfig" to see a list of interfaces |
| 20:10.04 | mistnim | valdyn: ok but still, the installer doesn't provide me with it in the list of interfaces to try |
| 20:10.11 | valdyn | mistnim: or lsusb to see the device entry |
| 20:10.49 | mistnim | valdyn: is iwconfig in the installer? lsusb isn't |
| 20:10.58 | valdyn | mistnim: the firmware is non-free |
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| 20:11.30 | valdyn | mistnim: so its not part of the default installer |
| 20:11.52 | mistnim | which firmware is non free? |
| 20:12.09 | valdyn | mistnim: the one for your atheros chip |
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| 20:12.19 | mistnim | the fuck? |
| 20:12.22 | valdyn | Package: firmware-atheros |
| 20:12.40 | mistnim | no it's free I'm pretty sure |
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| 20:12.59 | valdyn | mistnim: i cant say if that firmware is free or not, but the *package* is in non-free |
| 20:13.18 | valdyn | mistnim: so it certainly is not on the default installer |
| 20:13.29 | mistnim | I can use it with linux-libre so you be damn sure it's a free firmware |
| 20:14.13 | valdyn | mistnim: thats totally irrelevant |
| 20:14.18 | mistnim | that doesn't make any sense, if it's not in the isntaller it should defintely be, it works with a an fsf approved distro |
| 20:14.22 | valdyn | mistnim: im only telling you how its packaged in debian |
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| 20:15.09 | mistnim | still I don't think it's a firmware problem, the built-in card requires firmware blobs I didn't provide, still it is listed in the interfaces list |
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| 20:15.58 | valdyn | mistnim: the card needs firmware to function |
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| 20:16.28 | valdyn | mistnim: the firmware in fact is now "open", as you can see on linuxwireless.org. But that does not change the situation of how its packaged in debian. |
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| 20:18.56 | mistnim | valdyn: nIt does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and no firmware is required to be loaded from userspace." |
| 20:19.20 | mistnim | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 20:19.58 | mistnim | the firmware you are linking is for non free atheros card, not mine |
| 20:20.14 | valdyn | mistnim: your chip uses the ath9k-htc driver |
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| 20:20.50 | valdyn | mistnim: so click on that link on the site you just showed |
| 20:20.55 | valdyn | mistnim: geez |
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| 20:21.29 | yokisho_ | hi guys |
| 20:21.44 | yokisho_ | i am trying to use SELinux on my debian but i am unable to do it |
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| 20:22.15 | yokisho_ | when i active selinux and reboot, two reboots happens |
| 20:22.34 | yokisho_ | first the reboot that i need and then the next |
| 20:22.43 | yokisho_ | so, i don't know why |
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| 20:25.21 | Amun_Ra | yokisho_: you should read more before setting up selinux, (second reboot is because autorelabeling) |
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| 20:27.20 | Kitfox | How do you set persistence on debian live usb? |
| 20:27.25 | yokisho_ | yes, but then selinux is deactivated |
| 20:27.35 | yokisho_ | O_o |
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| 20:28.20 | yokisho_ | if permissive mode is used, because enforcing freezes my machine :O |
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| 20:28.51 | yokisho_ | yep, i know, i need to read more. But i am sure that you know more things about this |
| 20:29.09 | jdahm | mistnim: debian has different rules for what it means to be "free". For instance the documentation for GNU Emacs isn't even "free" enough for them |
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| 20:32.38 | yokisho_ | Amun_Ra, :? |
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| 20:33.02 | lkzone | hi everybody |
| 20:33.26 | yokisho_ | hi lkzone :) |
| 20:33.44 | lkzone | someone knows how to I patch the snort? thks for the answers |
| 20:34.39 | yokisho_ | you can use onion :P |
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| 20:35.26 | lkzone | oh . Thansk :p |
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| 20:37.54 | yokisho_ | :D |
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| 20:44.15 | nebbia | can somebody explain me the differences between grsecurity, selinux and hardened linux ^? |
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| 20:45.09 | valdyn | nebbia: google it! |
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| 20:45.24 | nebbia | valdyn already done it... but still can't understand |
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| 20:45.35 | valdyn | nebbia: hardened linux is nothing specific |
| 20:46.07 | valdyn | nebbia: both selinux and grsecurity are frameworks that restrict what a user or program can do beyond what you can do with permissions |
| 20:47.32 | valdyn | nebbia: both are probably rather dangerous than security enhancing unless the admin has deep knowledge of how they work |
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| 20:53.37 | ws2k3 | what means */1 * * * * in cron? |
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| 20:54.28 | yokisho_ | like * |
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| 20:54.49 | LagerMonster | Run every minute |
| 20:54.51 | digdilem | every minute, every minute - it's a poor string |
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| 20:54.52 | yokisho_ | minutes |
| 20:55.02 | digdilem | */5 would be every five minutes |
| 20:55.09 | digdilem | * would be every 1 minute too |
| 20:55.24 | yokisho_ | yep :) |
| 20:56.24 | ws2k3 | thanks people |
| 20:56.31 | kminooie | hi everyone, I am trying to figure out how to remove '-w' parameter from the default list of parameter of rpcbind. I can't find any rpcbind.service file any where. and rpcbind.target doesn't seem to have anything relevant in it. this is, of course, regarding jessie with systmed. |
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| 20:56.58 | guesswho------ | Hey I have google voice search disabled but when I goto chrome://voicesearch/ my microphone and audio capture mode are enabled |
| 20:57.04 | guesswho------ | is there a way to remove the voice search plugin? |
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| 21:03.23 | nick[0] | Hi! I'm trying to patch a package which is installing some files to /bin, when they need to be in /sbin. They're going in /bin because dh_auto_configure -- --bindir=/bin. How do I make an exception? Is there a less hacky way than to add some mv lines to debian/rules to mv debian/$packagename/bin/foo to debian/$packagename/sbin/foo ? |
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| 21:04.58 | guesswho------ | no worries i'll just remove the chrominum package |
| 21:05.05 | guesswho------ | they obviously cannot be trusted |
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| 21:05.24 | guesswho------ | debian should blacklist all google packages |
| 21:06.28 | nick[0] | guesswho------: wasn't this fixed? https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435 |
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| 21:08.02 | guesswho------ | for whatever reason it's still enabled for me after updating |
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| 21:09.33 | zvz | I keep Chromium in case a regular person needs to use my computer. then I open it with a temporary profile for them |
| 21:09.36 | nick[0] | guesswho------: ah, I see it's not fixed in Debian yet. Here's the bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 |
| 21:09.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/786909 in chromium (closed, confirmed, fixed-upstream, help, security, upstream): «chromium: unconditionally downloads binary blob»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-05-26; last modified: 2015-06-30. |
| 21:09.57 | guesswho------ | nick thanks for the links i appreciate it |
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| 21:12.02 | guesswho------ | How in the world did this slip by the package maintainer? |
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| 21:13.16 | acz32 | zvz: why not just a clean iceweasel profile for them to use |
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| 21:14.08 | zvz | acz32 I suppose I could just do that, idk why I didn't think of it. Probably because my default Iceweasel is nerded out to the max with Pentadactyl, etc. Thanks! |
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| 21:14.38 | guesswho------ | acz32: Does mozilla have any history of behavior similar to this incident with Google? |
| 21:14.40 | acz32 | zvz: no problem |
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| 21:15.37 | acz32 | guesswho------: not of downloading proprietary pieces of code after you install the browser without your permission, no |
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| 21:15.45 | guesswho------ | good |
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| 21:16.48 | guesswho------ | i just purged the pile of nonsense |
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| 21:17.41 | zvz | in the process of doing so myself |
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| 21:20.33 | guesswho------ | I'm getting the message "iceweasel has prevente the outdated plugin flash from running on xyz.domain" even after running update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 21:20.37 | guesswho------ | any idea why? |
| 21:20.59 | guesswho------ | i wish twitch.tv used html5 |
| 21:21.22 | valdyn | guesswho------: theres often a small time delay between a new flash release and iceweasel disallowing the old flash for security reasons |
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| 21:21.56 | guesswho------ | ah no big deal hopefully i can purge that package one day too |
| 21:22.21 | valdyn | guesswho------: of course you could also just allow twitch explicitely |
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| 21:22.29 | guesswho------ | yeah i'll whitelist it good idea |
| 21:22.39 | steloran_ | and now i am going to self-immolate |
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| 21:22.47 | steloran_ | watch |
| 21:23.09 | kminooie | does anybody know which systemd service file starts rpcbind? |
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| 21:24.07 | acz32 | you have to manually download flash updates |
| 21:24.11 | acz32 | they don't come with apt-get. |
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| 21:25.02 | acz32 | but it's easy: # update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 21:25.54 | acz32 | oh i didn't see he already ran that |
| 21:26.11 | nick[0] | for a Debian package, where is the appropriate place to override dh_auto_configure -- --bindir=/bin for two binaries? They need to go into /sbin. |
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| 21:28.25 | nick[0] | so far, I'm thinking about either patching the Makefile or moving the binaries from debian/$package/bin to debian/$package/sbin |
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| 21:31.36 | xarragon | Hello, is there any way to get access to efibootmgr from the debian installer's shell? Except for installing it to the target, then exporting the library paths and directly launching it? |
| 21:32.49 | zvz | Wow, I just found out Iceweasel does not have a command line option for starting in Private Browsing mode |
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| 21:35.01 | stack | zvz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=856839 |
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| 21:36.42 | zvz | thanks stack |
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| 21:38.03 | aswen | Hi there, anyone has an idea of when a patch for openssl will be released? |
| 21:38.13 | aswen | (as in the debian package ;-0 |
| 21:38.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | for any issue in particular? |
| 21:38.29 | zvz | Ergh, I'm going to miss hitting a keybind and having an incognito Chromium window near-instantly |
| 21:38.29 | aswen | yeah |
| 21:38.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | or just any patch in general? |
| 21:38.33 | nurupo | since Jessie become stable, i keep getting 404 errors in package changelogs in Apper: |
| 21:38.35 | nurupo | >Changelog for bind9-host is not (yet) available (404 Not Found [IP: 23.235.46.249 80]) |
| 21:39.03 | aswen | https://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150709.txt |
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| 21:40.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh, sweet. |
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| 21:41.21 | abrotman | aswen: ask #debian-security on irc.oftc.net, but I'm sure the answer would be "ASAP" |
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| 21:41.39 | aswen | aye, will do |
| 21:41.51 | Brigo | aswen, stable is not afected. |
| 21:42.19 | Brigo | if you are asking for that: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-1793 |
| 21:42.37 | dontknow | how can i reset alsa like installed as new? somehow sound quality has changed and it is not related to alsamixer configuration. and i haven't add or change any configuration ever. |
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| 21:44.19 | dontknow | it sounds like the sound comes from more distant than before! |
| 21:45.41 | dontknow | i have also encountered such issue on different distros. alsa sound quality somehow get change and it remains as it is |
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| 21:47.45 | dontknow | WTF? |
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| 21:48.34 | yokisho_ | hi guys |
| 21:48.44 | yokisho_ | how to create selinux policies? are there any package? |
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| 21:48.58 | yokisho_ | selinux is disabled xD |
| 21:49.43 | machine001 | no there aren't yet |
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| 21:50.30 | yokisho_ | must i create them ? |
| 21:50.36 | aswen | Brigo: thanx |
| 21:50.44 | dontknow | are there any other mixer package other than pulseaudio or xfce's audio mixer? |
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| 21:51.01 | dontknow | other than pavucontrol |
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| 21:55.10 | aswen | abrotman: thanx as well |
| 21:56.33 | acz32 | i'm having issues with backlight. the keyboard keys won't adjust it, neither will xbacklight |
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| 22:00.30 | abrotman | acz32: what type of laptop? |
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| 22:01.02 | acz32 | abrotman: an asus with AMD radeon graphics |
| 22:01.19 | acz32 | and firmware-linux-nonfree installed since i saw messages saying i needed to install it during boot |
| 22:01.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:01.50 | abrotman | There are some other tools, but I think they're for specific manufacturers, I don't recall seeing Asus among them |
| 22:02.03 | acz32 | keyboard backlight controls seem to work fine but not screen |
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| 22:04.50 | abrotman | probably need a soldering iron |
| 22:04.53 | abrotman | runs home |
| 22:04.57 | aswen | acz32: maybe https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo and https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary can be of any help for you? |
| 22:05.30 | acz32 | by adding some backlight=vendor stuff to /etc/default/grub and rebooting it now is stuck on the lowest backlight, which is at least better than being stuck on the highest |
| 22:05.54 | acz32 | aswen: i'll check them out thanks |
| 22:05.58 | aswen | and https://packages.debian.org/stable/fglrx-driver and https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 22:07.36 | aswen | can't you cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness or a similar file and then add something to that value and echo that back to that file? |
| 22:07.47 | OuaisMaisNon | hey all. did anyone manage to get Quake Live working on deb ? |
| 22:08.28 | aswen | acz32: at least, if you're seeing a dark but backlighted screen now... |
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| 22:09.18 | acz32 | ok that link said to install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 22:09.44 | acz32 | all i did was firmware-linux-nonfree so maybe fglrx-driver will do it |
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| 22:11.33 | djshotglass | http://paste.debian.net/280836/ |
| 22:11.44 | djshotglass | how do i find out what the firmwares for these cards are named |
| 22:11.44 | acz32 | aswen: the backlight was always on, just stuck at the highest setting. now it's stuck at the lowest which is better on the eyes lol |
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| 22:14.10 | djshotglass | firmware-ralink and firmware-atheros? |
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| 22:47.25 | Agrajag- | g'day, i have an issue with doing a dist-upgrade. I use ldap auth and when it seems that after the slapd service is stopped, everything goes _extremely_ slowly. i'm not entirely sure what the problem actually is. any ideas? |
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| 22:53.46 | dartleader | I'm having trouble killing my X server in order to install an NVIDIA update |
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| 22:54.12 | OuaisMaisNon | go init 3 |
| 22:54.39 | dartleader | init: command not found |
| 22:54.47 | OuaisMaisNon | ! |
| 22:55.02 | OuaisMaisNon | (dont put "go" ? :o) |
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| 22:55.43 | dartleader | hmm I should probably sudo it eh |
| 22:56.01 | OuaisMaisNon | think so |
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| 22:56.30 | OuaisMaisNon | init 5 to come back then |
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| 22:57.57 | dartleader | init 3 doesn't seem to do anything, I'm still sitting here in my DE |
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| 22:58.39 | abrotman | that won't do anything in Debian |
| 22:58.58 | OuaisMaisNon | done that way on my fresh stable jessie. |
| 22:59.07 | OuaisMaisNon | just a week ago |
| 22:59.08 | dartleader | i'm on stretch FWIW |
| 22:59.15 | abrotman | dartleader: do you havea CLI IRC client installed? |
| 22:59.43 | dartleader | @abrotman no |
| 23:00.39 | dartleader | i've tried killing Xorg with kill, and it kicked me to CLI, but the NVIDIA update still said I was running an X server |
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| 23:03.50 | head8debian | service lightdm ( or gdm or kdm) stop? |
| 23:03.57 | OuaisMaisNon | lightdm stop gdm whatever ? |
| 23:04.01 | OuaisMaisNon | :o |
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| 23:06.21 | mtn | systemctl stop gdm, if using gdm |
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| 23:33.49 | OuaisMaisNon | bonne nuit |
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| 23:39.38 | itry | One of my servers has been hanging today. No response via ping, ssh or http. |
| 23:39.52 | itry | Now I restarted the baby and it works again. |
| 23:39.59 | itry | Where would you look to see what it was? |
| 23:41.53 | abrotman | in /var/log/ |
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| 23:42.38 | itry | abrotman: ok, but which ones? |
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| 23:43.51 | abrotman | messages to start, maybe kern.log |
| 23:44.53 | acz32 | so i thought for a computer with radeon graphics it was enough to just install firmware-linux-nonfree, but the debian wiki is recommending libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati. should i install those too? https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation |
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| 23:46.03 | itry | abrotman: the last message in messages was "action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Thu Jul 9" |
| 23:47.45 | itry | the last one in kern.log is this: perf interrupt took too long (2505 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000 |
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| 23:54.52 | abrotman | itry: it'notlikelythe last message, look further up |
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| 23:55.50 | itry | abrotman: that was the last line before the crash. the next above is 12 hours earlier, so probably not related. |
| 23:56.07 | abrotman | or,it couldn't log anything |
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| 23:59.33 | itry | In the apache access.log there is a line like this: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@... |
| 23:59.36 | itry | never seen anything like that. |