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| 00:05.34 | Wally | Look like corruption |
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| 00:18.23 | itry | /proc/mdstat indicates that some raid recovery is going on. no idea if that is normal or indicates some problem. |
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| 00:22.15 | itry | Is it normal to see something like "recovery = 31%" in /proc/mdstat? or does it indicate some hardware failure? |
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| 01:41.40 | ElOcho | Hey, kind of a noob question but when I do sudo apt-key add what folder does it save it to? |
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| 01:58.20 | shay_shay | hai |
| 01:58.39 | bieyeik2aX | hi |
| 01:58.55 | bieyeik2aX | shay_shay, what desktop are you using? |
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| 02:00.05 | shay_shay | gnome 3 |
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| 02:00.27 | bieyeik2aX | ok |
| 02:00.37 | bieyeik2aX | thanks for answer ^_^ |
| 02:01.32 | bieyeik2aX | I'm using Mate |
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| 02:02.53 | BuzzardBuzz | i am using LXDE |
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| 02:03.51 | BuzzardBuzz | would jessie run ok on a 1.8GHz pentium 4 old slow doorstop computer with 512K of ram with LXDE? |
| 02:04.11 | shay_shay | depends on how you define okay |
| 02:04.15 | shay_shay | i would say no |
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| 02:04.29 | BuzzardBuzz | thats what i was afraid of |
| 02:04.46 | BuzzardBuzz | what should i put on that doorstop instead |
| 02:05.04 | shay_shay | well if you need to use the computer then lxde+ netsurf |
| 02:05.13 | shay_shay | netsurf is a broweser |
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| 02:05.20 | shay_shay | the lightest out there |
| 02:06.01 | BuzzardBuzz | but instead of jessie maybe something older, like wheezy or older? |
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| 02:06.55 | shay_shay | there wont be any difference most of the time. rarely there will be a video card which doesnt work with open drivers well and it's end of life already so you have to use an old end of life os just to get it to work |
| 02:07.07 | shay_shay | but try that if you cant get jessie to work |
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| 02:07.17 | shay_shay | because it's a rare situation honestly |
| 02:07.38 | BuzzardBuzz | so try jessie first then, it has motherboard intel video |
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| 02:08.37 | head8debian | I am one of those rare people then. i lost open driver support when i upgraded to jessie, not that wheezy's was that great of support. |
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| 02:09.15 | BuzzardBuzz | i think has a Dell 2350 motherboard |
| 02:10.02 | BuzzardBuzz | i want to make it into a openvpn server |
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| 02:10.24 | head8debian | But the exact opposite can be said for my other machine. |
| 02:10.55 | head8debian | BuzzardBuzz: You dont know without trying it. |
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| 02:11.30 | BuzzardBuzz | ok well i have to upgrade the cd rom drive to dvd drive just to try the live boot i think |
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| 02:11.54 | BuzzardBuzz | it wont boot a flash drive, the bios is too old |
| 02:11.58 | head8debian | BuzzardBuzz: Can you burn the cd in another computer? |
| 02:12.07 | BuzzardBuzz | yes |
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| 02:12.26 | head8debian | Just stick the ISO on a cd. Should work fine. |
| 02:12.56 | BuzzardBuzz | the LXDE 32 bit ISO for jessie is bigger than a CD |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | !plip |
| 02:12.57 | dpkg | it has been said that plip is Parallel Line Internet Protocol (IP), "PL/IP" or a character from a Charles Dickens novel |
| 02:13.01 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | !plip |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | plip is, like, Parallel Line Internet Protocol (IP), "PL/IP" or a character from a Charles Dickens novel |
| 02:13.15 | abrotman | !plop |
| 02:13.15 | dpkg | Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | ha! |
| 02:13.26 | dvs | !prize av |
| 02:13.26 | dpkg | gives av a medal. |
| 02:13.29 | BuzzardBuzz | is there a smaller version for that ? |
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| 02:14.35 | BuzzardBuzz | cool so i need to plop boot load it |
| 02:14.48 | BuzzardBuzz | that sounds like a fun project |
| 02:15.01 | swift110-phone | Cool |
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| 02:15.18 | swift110-phone | !Debian |
| 02:15.18 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | I've never used it,I only know it exists .. so, best of luck |
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| 02:15.44 | BuzzardBuzz | well it is likely easiest to just plop in a dvd drive |
| 02:15.46 | swift110-phone | !Blender |
| 02:15.46 | dpkg | Blender is a free software, cross platform 3D creation suite, allowing fully integrated modeling, animation, rendering, post production and interactive 3D creation and playback. Its internal render engine supports ray tracing. http://www.blender.org/ #blenderchat and #blenderqa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:16.35 | head8debian | BuzzardBuzz: Or, if you want, you can use the netinstall. |
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| 02:19.36 | head8debian | BuzzardBuzz: Its much smaller to download, if you can get a ethernet conection on your computer, it should work fine. |
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| 02:22.49 | BuzzardBuzz | i am sure that i can get a compatible network card in the pci bus if it doest like the motherboard nic |
| 02:23.23 | BuzzardBuzz | so that sounds easiest, thanks |
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| 02:25.39 | BuzzardBuzz | it will let me choose LXDE desktop also or are there different network installers that are needed? |
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| 02:26.56 | dvs | BuzzardBuzz: You can install that later. But the advanced install will allow you to do it to. |
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| 02:27.31 | BuzzardBuzz | thanks |
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| 02:40.18 | swift110-phone | !Linuxmint |
| 02:40.18 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 02:40.32 | swift110-phone | Lol |
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| 02:40.42 | swift110-phone | !Puppylinux |
| 02:40.43 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:40.53 | shingouz | swift110-phone: /msg dpkg |
| 02:41.10 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 02:41.22 | swift110-phone | !kolibri |
| 02:41.33 | dvs | !tell swift110-phone about selftell |
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| 03:02.49 | ElOcho | I encountered a problem when doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade. When I run this command everything goes fine until I get this |
| 03:02.52 | ElOcho | http://pastebin.com/EeMBiNQ3 |
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| 03:03.08 | ElOcho | Any help greatly appriciated |
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| 03:04.50 | maazu | ElOcho: why do you install i386 arch and amd64 arch on the same machine? |
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| 03:06.04 | ElOcho | Ah yeah I forgot about that, I think I was trying to do a netflix fix and had to download some i386 dependencies |
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| 03:06.38 | maazu | ElOcho: bad idea, i too want to use Skype but that includes installing i386 libraries to my amd64 arch |
| 03:06.48 | maazu | ElOcho: i end up using subrosa.io instead |
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| 03:06.59 | ElOcho | so how would I remove it? |
| 03:07.12 | maazu | ElOcho: you already installed it! |
| 03:07.23 | maazu | ElOcho: just live with it |
| 03:07.50 | ElOcho | I mean this apt-get problem just came up today |
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| 03:08.13 | ElOcho | it will go through just fine if i remove the virtualbox repo |
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| 03:10.32 | maazu | ElOcho: sorry i gotta go now |
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| 03:17.34 | k_sze[work] | Anybody here familiar with Adaptec RAID controllers and their arcconf command line tool? |
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| 03:19.42 | k_sze[work] | I'm not sure I completely understand their stripe size. |
| 03:19.58 | k_sze[work] | Is it the stripe *element* size or the size of the whole stripe set? |
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| 03:20.13 | k_sze[work] | I'm guessing it's the stripe *element* size, but I can't be sure. |
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| 03:24.17 | k_sze[work] | And a related question: when I create an XFS on a RAID 6, using mkfs.xfs, should I still supply the real sector size (e.g. 4k for an Advanced Format disk) or use the stripe set size or stripe element size? |
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| 03:26.21 | ojaito1 | Hi all: I have Debian Jessie installed and the kernel (3.16) unfortunately does not support suspend for my system (long story; I'm 99% confident this is the issue). I am curious to know how long we might expect to wait before someone backports a later kernel for Jessie? |
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| 03:28.23 | k_sze[work] | stupid disconnection. |
| 03:28.28 | k_sze[work] | Did you guys see my questions? |
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| 03:36.42 | QuaintShanty | Hello. I am trying to run a script as root on startup with crontab -e. "@reboot /root/server.sh; |
| 03:36.42 | QuaintShanty | " doesn't seem to be working. Any advice? |
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| 04:38.12 | ynix | Do I have to modify my sources file after install to get packages online? |
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| 04:39.06 | jaybe | ynix, not usually. the same package source used to install additional components is still in place and referenced. check out: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:39.30 | ynix | jaybe: Thanks, I just commented out the cd source and it works as I want it to now. |
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| 04:39.50 | jaybe | great; welcome |
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| 05:06.20 | ynix | when installing a package (for example gcc), is there a way to also install the recommended and suggested packages that are detailed on the package page on packages.debian.org? |
| 05:07.04 | ynix | ah, --install-suggests seems to be what I'm looking for |
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| 05:08.53 | ynix | hmm well I don't know how to do it now since gcc is already installed |
| 05:10.02 | Equa | ynix: apt-get install --reinstall gcc |
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| 05:10.26 | ynix | Equa: Did that (and with --install-suggests) but it didn't install any of the suggested packages. |
| 05:11.04 | Equa | ynix: remove the package and install it again? |
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| 05:11.12 | ynix | i'll try that now |
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| 05:12.14 | ynix | haha ok that seemed to work, but now it wants to pull in hundreds of packages |
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| 05:42.54 | ynix | I just ended up manually installing what I needed |
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| 05:51.16 | Raydiation | hi is the openssl update out already? |
| 05:51.36 | Raydiation | or has debian split it into client + server? |
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| 05:56.39 | themill | Raydiation: you might like to clarify which update you're talking about and for which release of debian |
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| 05:56.59 | Raydiation | themill: the one which was released yesterday |
| 05:57.16 | Raydiation | where you could forge ssl connections using fake certs |
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| 06:13.12 | k_sze[work] | I get this line in red when I run atop: PAG | scan 2464e7 | | | | stall 0 | | | | | | | | swin 488252 | | | | swout 2664e3 | |
| 06:13.17 | k_sze[work] | What does that mean? |
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| 06:19.03 | k_sze[work] | I got some crazy performance degradation writing to an external USB 3.0 RAID 5 last night. I have stopped the writing now, but now everytime I start atop, I see this line in red, and it disappears after 10 seconds. |
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| 07:12.09 | styler2go | Hello. I am trying to install google chrome on my debian. It shows up in the Application Menu, but if i press it, nothign happens. htop tells me, there's a task runnign but nothing happens. any idea what i could do? |
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| 07:54.01 | FelixFire619 | what would cuase my eth0 to come up with ipv6 info and not the /etc/network/interfaces eth0 configuration? |
| 07:54.21 | alfon | Hi, hibernate doesn't work for me since I updated wheezy to jessie. I tried to pass to kernel the option "resume=<swap partition>" with no positive results... any Idea? |
| 07:54.45 | alfon | I'm running Debian on a ThinkPad X31 (too old I know) and a Linux kernel 3.16.6 |
| 07:54.59 | alfon | This is my /etc/uswsusp.conf: http://paste.debian.net/280951/ |
| 07:55.20 | alfon | The effect is similar running any software or even talking directly with the kernel: the screen turn black, the mouse and keyboard doesn't work but the fan and led still turn on. |
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| 08:18.23 | _abc_ | Hello. I have an issue where Debian Chromium refuses to run on a cpu/board (PC x86) which does not have the SSE2 instruction. There are several filed bugs on this, and no relief I can see from standard package sources. What is this really about? I understand 'upstream' dropped support for SSE2 less cpu's some time ago, upstream being Google and or Adobe. But is this really reasonable? SSE2 is not present on |
| 08:18.29 | _abc_ | many embedded chipsets (not the case for me ... |
| 08:18.32 | _abc_ | ... now, but for the future). Is something being done about it? Like main chromium .deb release being compiled for SSE2-less cpus? |
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| 08:23.35 | kale | would you guys know a good sql database design tool. right now i use dia, but the primary/foreign key lines overlap. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:23.57 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:27.44 | phix | kale: MySQL workbench |
| 08:28.02 | phix | kale: It is either in the repo or there is a deb paclkage for it |
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| 08:28.35 | kale | phix: downloading now ... |
| 08:29.05 | phix | :D |
| 08:29.12 | phix | kale: I am guessing you are using MySQL? |
| 08:29.53 | kale | phix: i guess too, may choose postgres, but right now, i just need to do a design |
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| 08:30.05 | phix | I prefer PostgreSQL too |
| 08:30.32 | _abc_ | And yes the problem has hit others too, apparently Arch has/had a sse2-less compiled package. Relevant thread: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1353185 |
| 08:30.48 | _abc_ | (not debian but there seems to be no debian equivalent discussion) |
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| 08:31.07 | kale | phix: this tool is great! thanks |
| 08:31.14 | _abc_ | How does one select older packages using apper ß |
| 08:31.14 | phix | kale: any time buddy |
| 08:31.15 | _abc_ | ? |
| 08:31.33 | _abc_ | E.g. downgrade chromium to a previous version? Same for gnash? |
| 08:32.07 | phix | kale: I am great at other debian and other programming stuffz if you need assist |
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| 08:32.28 | jelly | _abc_: visit snapshot.debian.org, but you really don't want to go back to chromium 35.x |
| 08:32.44 | _abc_ | jelly: No, I am looking for the sse2-less compiled packages. |
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| 08:33.07 | _abc_ | jelly: But I need to know how for reference. Does that visit imply a visit with apper or get the packages by hand? |
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| 08:34.00 | kale | phix: allright then. i used woody, when setting up kvm etc. my goal was to make a redundant setup. so for this i needed corosync and haproxy. for some reason all the tools i needed was not included in jessie, because they depended on a lib that was not considered stable, so this lib and all its dependants were removed. Know what happened to this case? |
| 08:34.30 | jelly | _abc_: it means adding a timestamp based snapshot of repos into your /etc/apt/sources.list and then using package management tools to pick a specific version. I have no idea whether apper can pick an older version when multiple ones are available, but apt and aptitude can. |
| 08:35.00 | _abc_ | jelly: Thanks. Yeah, I will have to find out what apper can do there. |
| 08:35.53 | kale | phix: i can see that both haproxy and corosync is in jessie now, but du i dare update ? |
| 08:36.43 | _abc_ | jelly: This is one lonely machine which has a pre SSE2 cpu and still works okay, I consider it a learning experiment to make it work. |
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| 08:38.39 | _abc_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=750361 looks like the bug has been plaguing users since ~ jun 2014 |
| 08:38.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/750361 in chromium (closed, fixed-upstream, help): «chromium: upstream dropped support for older i386 processors»; severity: important; opened: 2014-06-02; last modified: 2015-06-26. |
| 08:38.51 | Diehard | kale: since when is corosync in jessie? |
| 08:39.42 | jelly | _abc_: good luck picking the no-sse2 patch, updating it for chromium 43 and building a custom package :-) |
| 08:39.50 | phix | kale: woody is old school |
| 08:39.54 | _abc_ | jelly: Yeah I know. |
| 08:40.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell _abc_ about package rebuild |
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| 08:40.21 | kale | phix: sorry, not woody, whatever was before jessie. |
| 08:40.33 | _abc_ | jelly: Basically they sh*t on probably 25-30% of Debian users who frequently use older machines. |
| 08:40.35 | phix | kale: Wheezy |
| 08:40.56 | kale | Diehard: i have corosync here |
| 08:41.24 | jelly | _abc_: you pulled that number of a...thin air |
| 08:41.34 | jelly | _abc_: also: use iceweasel |
| 08:41.37 | Diehard | kale: tought corosync and pacemaker are not included .. nvm |
| 08:41.48 | _abc_ | jelly: Not really, I have a circle of people I know who use Debian and that number is about correct. |
| 08:42.05 | _abc_ | jelly: They all use iceweasel but sometimes one wants to check web design in another browser etc |
| 08:42.15 | kale | Diehard: and I thought too, but they are imho very important packages, so they might have made it anyways, but that was what i was asking :-) |
| 08:42.15 | _abc_ | Specialization is for insects (Heinlein) |
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| 08:45.05 | jelly | _abc_: Heinlein would not be keen on people wanting to make someone else do the work for them |
| 08:45.21 | _abc_ | Linux is a hards mistress |
| 08:45.34 | jelly | nod |
| 08:45.45 | _abc_ | *harsh |
| 08:45.52 | cast | s/mistress/gender neutral term/ |
| 08:45.58 | cast | ducks |
| 08:46.12 | _abc_ | That was a 'Moon is a hars mistress' reference you pc nazi |
| 08:46.20 | _abc_ | *harsh again damnit |
| 08:46.26 | _abc_ | needs more coffee and a/c on |
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| 08:48.08 | surs2 | which version virtual box guest additions do I need if I'm on debian 8? |
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| 08:55.34 | surs3 | I got disconnected |
| 08:55.37 | surs3 | which version virtual box guest additions do I need if I'm on debian 8? |
| 08:55.48 | pezus | hi guys. is there an official non-free netboot image available that i could use via pxeboot? |
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| 08:56.28 | pezus | it would be required for pxe-booting servers with bnx2 |
| 08:56.41 | pezus | and we don't want to plug in a usb-stick every time |
| 08:57.07 | Diehard | surs3: the same as virtualbox version |
| 08:57.33 | surs3 | ok, thank you |
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| 08:58.28 | Diehard | i remember the time I had ideas, spirit and no resources .. now I have ideas, resources and no spirit -.- .. i'm too old .. |
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| 09:00.53 | surs3 | too old for what? |
| 09:00.58 | kale | jack daniels has spirit for a limited amout of time |
| 09:01.10 | Diehard | old for everything |
| 09:01.47 | Diehard | kale: maybe I should put it in my morning coffee? :) |
| 09:02.34 | surs3 | maybe it's natural. you achieved, there's no point in wasting a lot of energy when you're facing diminishing returns |
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| 09:03.01 | Raydiation | when will openssl 1.0.1k hit stable? |
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| 09:03.51 | Raydiation | 1.0.1p* |
| 09:04.10 | Diehard | whoever knows the answer is a wizzard |
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| 09:04.44 | Raydiation | regression testing first? |
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| 09:05.36 | Diehard | looks like debian community stopped supported roundcube in jessie 8? |
| 09:06.01 | Diehard | *supporting |
| 09:06.06 | allizom | pezus: there are no official non-free images at all |
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| 09:06.55 | pezus | allizom: there are webboot-images which include them, apparently |
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| 09:07.22 | pezus | at least they are images with firmware included |
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| 09:08.30 | allizom | pezus: there are, but they're not "official" as you asked |
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| 09:09.09 | pezus | yep, saw this... is there a way to boot these webboot-files via pxeboot? |
| 09:09.55 | allizom | don't know, sorry :/ |
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| 09:10.54 | pezus | ok so now someone with proficient knowledge on pxe would be nice ;) |
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| 09:14.21 | PapaSierra | when using iptables, once i add a rule to drop incoming access from a particular ip address, do i need to somehow "apply" or reload iptables for this to take effect? |
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| 09:14.50 | cast | nope, its immediate, and will stay until you either change it or reboot |
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| 09:17.36 | PapaSierra | cast: i've added a particular ip address using sudo iptables -A INPUT -s <ip address> -j DROP, and i see it by doing --list, but i'm still seeing requests coming in from that ip address |
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| 09:19.31 | cast | perhaps its getting accepted by an earlier rule |
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| 09:22.07 | PapaSierra | cast: here is the entire output, there are no "accept" rules specified explicitly: http://hastebin.com/raw/ayucuweted |
| 09:22.21 | PapaSierra | and 171.96.241.39 is the offending ip address |
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| 09:22.39 | DexterF | hi |
| 09:22.41 | PapaSierra | (yes, i've added it multiple times because i didn't realise at first it was the same guy each time) |
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| 09:23.43 | DexterF | if I want deb to auto-login a user and start nothing but X and a chromium browser, how to I best auto-start this? is there a "raw" only-X-no-desktop-session? |
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| 09:24.08 | DexterF | I'd use ~/,Xsession, but how do I get a naked X automatically started? |
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| 09:25.04 | kale | DexterF: evilvm is for you, i use lightdm for automatic logins, autologinuser=kale timeout=0 |
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| 09:27.43 | trae32566[w] | ,debian |
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| 09:27.47 | trae32566[w] | ,kernel |
| 09:27.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.7-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.1-1~exp1) |
| 09:27.48 | xarragon | How is the debain installer loading the components? Is there any way to treigger that loading from the shell, so that I might access efibootmgr, for example? it seems to have that particular package available under the pool |
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| 09:28.42 | DexterF | which package contains startx and why won't packages.debian.org tell me? says it cannot find that |
| 09:28.56 | trae32566[w] | ,help |
| 09:28.57 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 09:29.15 | trae32566[w] | ,help kernel |
| 09:29.17 | judd | (kernel [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 09:29.50 | cast | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 09:29.57 | _abc_ | lol etchnhalf, 1st time I hear about this |
| 09:30.09 | hit_ | hi I need to speak with a client on skype. I used the web version at outlook.com but its not working anymore. I dont trust them a bit so there is no way Im going to install the official client. Is there any open source alternative? what choices do I have? |
| 09:30.32 | cast | PapaSierra: that's interesting, i'm not sure why you'd still see traffic from there, unless it wasn't passing through the INPUT chain |
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| 09:31.26 | cast | PapaSierra: i was thinking of this diagram - https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Security_Guide/images/iptables_small.png |
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| 09:33.15 | xarragon | Or can I /win 4 |
| 09:33.28 | xarragon | Sorry, PEBKAC |
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| 09:36.58 | shibly | Anybody there? May i ask? |
| 09:37.10 | _abc_ | No, you may not. No-one is here. |
| 09:37.15 | _abc_ | is kidding |
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| 09:37.30 | gerforce | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 09:37.48 | shibly | How can i create shortcut icon from Applications>Utilities>gnome terminal to desktop ? |
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| 09:42.22 | _abc_ | shibly: open it from the launch barm drag to desktop, when releasing you will be asked link or copy |
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| 09:42.41 | _abc_ | *open / navigate to it from the launch / start icon |
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| 09:42.57 | Uller | Anyone can help me with making persistent USB stick for live debian? |
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| 09:43.22 | Uller | I want to make persistence file on same stick as debian is installed. |
| 09:43.25 | _abc_ | Uller: I thought that laready works out of the box? |
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| 09:43.36 | _abc_ | Partition the stick into 2 partitions |
| 09:43.41 | Uller | Not without configuration, you need to repartition etc |
| 09:43.48 | _abc_ | yes, so? |
| 09:43.54 | Uller | yeah and parted does not really work here |
| 09:44.01 | _abc_ | It works |
| 09:44.38 | Uller | what is worse even with as root I can't access some files on live |
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| 09:46.00 | Uller | _abc_, can I partition it in any OS and then just reformat partition for debian persistence? |
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| 09:46.18 | Wally | what's the rough estimate for using xz compression in a squashfs package vs not using it in speed? |
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| 09:47.27 | _abc_ | Uller: yes but there are other tools besides parted and there are sticks which do not like reformatting. You may brick it. |
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| 09:49.43 | Uller | Is it possible with parted to partition stick without formatting it? |
| 09:49.52 | Uller | Or at least without formatting parts of it? |
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| 09:50.27 | cast | Uller: what does format mean to you |
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| 09:51.13 | Uller | I know you can sometimes make partition on data disks without loosing data |
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| 09:51.26 | kale | Wally: depends on cpu and underlying storage hardware |
| 09:51.45 | Uller | And the whole debian idea of having persistence on different drive/partition than live is just strange to me. |
| 09:51.53 | Wally | kale ARM Cortex A15 |
| 09:51.57 | Wally | It works Ok for some apps |
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| 09:52.18 | cast | Uller: sure, you'll always overwrite *sum* data though |
| 09:52.25 | cast | erm, sum=some |
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| 09:53.12 | cast | at a guess, you already have a partition table and there's a partition you wish to keep? |
| 09:53.24 | Uller | no |
| 09:53.32 | kale | Wally: usually small devices has very slow nand, so it should be faster to let the cpu decompress than to load extra sectors... but you should really try both to figure out what works for your specific setup. |
| 09:53.46 | Uller | atm I just got USB stick with live debian... some other things there too like few other live distros and grub menu |
| 09:53.57 | Wally | I don't think we're entirely sure on what speed the nand will be on the Dragonbox Pyra |
| 09:54.03 | Uller | all of them except debian have their persistence files there working |
| 09:54.17 | Uller | but debian apparently needs new partition |
| 09:54.18 | Wally | but good point |
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| 09:56.58 | kale | Wally: i use luks myself, and wanted to know how much overhead i would get... on that specific setup. so first i ran dd if=/dev/mapper/cryptfs of=/dev/null, and then ran it again to let the diskcache kick in. results were, directly from disk 110mb/s, again directly from disk 174 mb/s, then from luks encrypted partition 90 mb/s. so i my case luks slowed the system down, but i considered 90 mb/s to be good enough |
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| 09:57.13 | Wally | This config is all squashfs :) |
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| 09:57.23 | Wally | It's mostly Windows 95 / DOS games |
| 09:57.35 | Wally | I noticed AOE 2 struggled a bit inside the package |
| 09:58.05 | OsteHovel | Age of Empires 2? |
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| 09:59.44 | Wally | yep |
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| 10:00.38 | OsteHovel | I read that i shoud use a init process to take of orphaned processes when using Docker, and i want to use debian as baseimage, any suggestion on what init to use? |
| 10:01.16 | kale | Ostehøvl? |
| 10:01.48 | OsteHovel | Jupp (cheese slicer) |
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| 10:07.18 | Uller | WHat is iso-hybrid release? |
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| 10:09.56 | _abc_ | x86_64: man loadkeys |
| 10:09.56 | showaz | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ |
| 10:10.24 | showaz | 4.2.0 / debain experimental only linux-headers-4.1.0-trunk-all |
| 10:10.34 | lesta | x86_64: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 10:10.49 | _abc_ | x86_64: /usr/share/keymaps/ pick one you like there and then loadkeys that, then what lesta said for permanent change |
| 10:10.52 | lesta | x86_64: service keyboard-setup restart |
| 10:11.18 | Mmike | Hi, lads. How is apt checking for hashes when it downloads packages list? I removed everything from /var/lib/apt/lists, and re-run apt-get update, and still getting hash sum mismatch. However when I download Packages file, and manually verify checksumsm, those match with what's in lists file: |
| 10:11.20 | Mmike | http://jebo.me/pas/4 |
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| 10:13.57 | allizom | Uller: it means you can boot it from both optical media and other storage devices like hard disks and USB drives |
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| 10:14.48 | showaz | where to find the official kernel for Debian 4.1/4.2 ? |
| 10:14.53 | showaz | kernel* |
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| 10:15.21 | showaz | nginx does not support SO_REUSEPORT all current versions of Debian |
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| 10:15.34 | showaz | SO_REUSEPORT (3.19+) |
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| 10:17.21 | SynrG | Mmike: first, it's probably a problem at virtualbox.org (and apparently ubuntu, too, but that's besides the point), so you need to see them (#vbox) about issues, not us. and second, be aware that the compressed copy of the file is downloaded first, even though the error message complains about Packages, so your wget may not be a faithful simulation of the problem. |
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| 10:18.19 | Uller | _abc_ I have launched parted and unmonted usb stick in debian live |
| 10:18.40 | Uller | not sure how to make such partition now that it wont destroy data on disk... |
| 10:18.46 | Mmike | SynrG: I came here because I'd like to know how is apt checking the hashes - I just took virtualbox repos as an example. |
| 10:18.47 | Uller | there's like 1GB free |
| 10:19.06 | Wally | Uller how big is this USB stick |
| 10:19.13 | Uller | 4GB |
| 10:19.14 | Wally | and why can't you rebuild it after partitioning it? |
| 10:19.33 | Wally | Wouldn't it be easier to copy said files off. Partition drive then copy back |
| 10:19.35 | Uller | it was build in different OS |
| 10:19.40 | Wally | so? |
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| 10:19.47 | Uller | and problem is I can't rebuild it because I have no internet on laptop |
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| 10:20.02 | MrmacHD | hi |
| 10:20.02 | Wally | What does having internet have to do with anything? |
| 10:20.10 | Uller | so I am stuck to what I got preinstalled by debian |
| 10:20.18 | Wally | gparted? |
| 10:20.30 | Uller | normally I would just go for gparted and do it by GUI because I know how to do it in Gparted |
| 10:20.32 | Mmike | SynrG: oh, found it. Packages.bz2 hash sum doesn't match |
| 10:20.34 | Mmike | SynrG: thnx :) |
| 10:20.35 | Uller | but i dont know how to do it in parted |
| 10:20.41 | Wally | so if you have no internet on laptop.. |
| 10:20.42 | SynrG | Mmike: yw |
| 10:20.45 | Wally | how are you on iRC? |
| 10:20.49 | MrmacHD | on jessie gnome desktop I have used the tweaks tool to set window scaling under hidpi to 2 instead of 1. now i cannot reach that control in my tiny monitor, nor does the gsetting in terminal setting it to 1 work. |
| 10:20.51 | MrmacHD | what to do? |
| 10:20.55 | cast | Uller: ...no you don't have a partition table nor any partitions you wish to keep? |
| 10:20.56 | Uller | this is other machine? |
| 10:21.08 | Wally | Whyis there no internet on laptop? |
| 10:21.20 | Uller | cuz debian lacks drivers for my card |
| 10:21.34 | Uller | but before i install it from other media I need to build persistence so it will get save |
| 10:21.35 | Uller | simple? |
| 10:21.41 | MrmacHD | windows are bigger than my monitor and icons are tiny. :( |
| 10:22.02 | Wally | So why not rebuild the USB stick on the laptop with internet? |
| 10:22.10 | SynrG | Mmike: as a workaround, there's some option to force a different compression to be preferred. see apt.conf and apt's -o to pass options |
| 10:22.12 | Uller | there's just winxp there |
| 10:22.26 | Uller | I used winxp to build debian live stick |
| 10:22.50 | SynrG | Mmike: but as i alluded to, you should be seeking help with making that work on ubuntu elsewhere (#ubuntu for that) |
| 10:22.59 | at0m|c | showaz: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/ |
| 10:23.06 | Uller | and the other laptop doesnt even have hdd |
| 10:23.31 | SynrG | Mmike: or if you find the ubuntu support community unhelpful, consider running debian instead. then we would be happy to help you with debian issues here. :) |
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| 10:24.41 | MrmacHD | guys, in gnome my applications icons are tiny in that grid, why? |
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| 10:26.20 | xarragon | can the debian installer not accept the firmware .deb files directly? I must manually extract them? |
| 10:26.36 | xarragon | In this case the iwlwifi stuff |
| 10:27.06 | Mmike | SynrG: I run ubuntu and I'm fairly happy with the support I get around :) I just wanted to know how apt is checking the sums, as I said, I just used virtualbox as an example :) |
| 10:28.34 | Uller | Actually I can reformat USB stick even in windows |
| 10:28.38 | Uller | repartition it there |
| 10:28.41 | showaz | at0m|c: Do you have ideas how to combine 8.1 Debian (jessie) and sid ? |
| 10:28.43 | Uller | but would that be sufficient? |
| 10:28.49 | Uller | or actually |
| 10:29.07 | Uller | partition it in live then install live debian again on one of partitions |
| 10:29.15 | SynrG | Mmike: generally the doc (or failing that, the source) is a good place to learn when the ubuntu folks aren't around to answer your questions |
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| 10:30.05 | Mmike | SynrG: I couldn't find what I needed in the apt documentation, nor the maitainers guide. And before digging into the source I figured I'd ask here. |
| 10:30.10 | SynrG | showaz: yeah. don't. |
| 10:30.14 | Mmike | And, ubuntu and debian are using the same apt, aren't they? |
| 10:30.47 | SynrG | !based on debian |
| 10:30.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:30.54 | showaz | at0m|c: http://pastebin.com/CNPH9r8n |
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| 10:31.51 | Mmike | SynrG: the InRelease files, where are they stored? Is this debian maintained, or 'apt-repo' providede |
| 10:31.53 | Mmike | provided? |
| 10:31.58 | SynrG | showaz: suicidal |
| 10:32.00 | Uller | 'the resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance' |
| 10:32.01 | at0m|c | showaz: when i needed more recent kernel, i dl'd the .deb from sid repo's and dpkg -i'd. found missing depends. dl'd the depends .deb's then dpkg -i'd the lot |
| 10:32.09 | showaz | SynrG: LSD |
| 10:32.21 | showaz | need more drugs sid kernel 4.2.0 |
| 10:32.39 | SynrG | showaz: your problem statement (on another channel) stated you needed a kernel > 3.19 ... |
| 10:32.48 | SynrG | surely jessie's kernel qualifies? |
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| 10:33.34 | showaz | SynrG: 4.0 unstable, 4.1 not work graphics, 4.2 work all fine tested this pkgs http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ |
| 10:33.42 | SynrG | Mmike: it's provided by the repo, so if you have a problem with it, you need to see the repo maintainer. as i said, see #vbox |
| 10:33.50 | showaz | but need more clear debian |
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| 10:34.09 | SynrG | !kernel handbook |
| 10:34.10 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 10:34.13 | at0m|c | showaz: do not mix ubuntu packages in debian |
| 10:34.23 | SynrG | showaz: ^^ see the section on building from upstream source in there |
| 10:34.30 | showaz | at0m|c:thank you I fully understand |
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| 10:34.47 | showaz | I need the official kernel 4.2.0 sid |
| 10:34.52 | SynrG | there isn't one |
| 10:34.54 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 10:34.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.7-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.1-1~exp1) |
| 10:35.15 | SynrG | experimental only has 4.1.1 current in side is 4.0.7 |
| 10:35.18 | SynrG | sid* |
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| 10:35.22 | showaz | I'm afraid I may not consider some points when assembling the patched version kernel for debian |
| 10:35.35 | Nindustries | Hi, are files in /var/log/ automatically pruned/rotated ? |
| 10:35.45 | SynrG | showaz: then wait for the debian kernel maintainers to make one for you |
| 10:35.52 | rozie | Nindustries: usually, yes |
| 10:35.59 | Nindustries | Ok, thanks! |
| 10:36.18 | showaz | SynrG: 7 months? |
| 10:36.25 | Nindustries | rozie: wait, why the usually? |
| 10:36.26 | rozie | but it's per file setting, so if you have some strange software, you need to write logrotate rules |
| 10:36.31 | SynrG | showaz: now you're just being annoying |
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| 10:36.37 | Nindustries | oh. |
| 10:36.51 | SynrG | showaz: either build from source using the doc i cited, or else wait. it takes as long as it takes. |
| 10:37.20 | rozie | Nindustries: I don't recall any of official deamon shipped with official Debian that doesn't rotate by default |
| 10:37.26 | Nindustries | Ah yes, I found logrotate.conf |
| 10:37.33 | Nindustries | seems like it is for everything |
| 10:37.48 | Nindustries | Yeah, point is im installing nginx from source |
| 10:37.50 | showaz | SynrG: building from source does not include backporting patches for stability of debian |
| 10:37.59 | showaz | diff/patch backporting |
| 10:38.47 | SynrG | showaz: just read the doc, k? |
| 10:39.08 | SynrG | showaz: there's a section on building with debian patches applied to a new upstream source. READ IT |
| 10:39.15 | showaz | SynrG: apt-src linux-kernel 4.2.0 not exist |
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| 10:40.39 | zoie | how can i compile powerpc assembly instructions to linux? |
| 10:40.40 | ThunderFrog | hi folks, if i ask which lsm type is best fit for debian, whould it be apparmor or selinux? |
| 10:40.55 | ThunderFrog | or one of the exotics? :p |
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| 10:41.15 | showaz | zoie: gcc 5.0 support IBM Power8 |
| 10:41.23 | SynrG | showaz: and yes, if you're not going to wait for the kernel team to do the work, *you* need to do the work of backporting patches. how else do you suppose it's going to happen? |
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| 10:41.56 | zoie | showaz: Error: no such instruction: `adde r1,r2,r3' |
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| 10:49.27 | showaz | SynrG: to ask mark shuttleworth backport it to newer Debian stable kernel 4.2.0 :) |
| 10:49.32 | BluesKaj | G'Day folks |
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| 10:58.39 | showaz | SynrG: http://libcode.org/projects/birq |
| 10:59.45 | mindcooker | hello..I'm getting Hash Sum mismatch during apt-get update |
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| 11:00.01 | mindcooker | W: Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/jessie/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 11:00.01 | mindcooker | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 11:00.08 | mindcooker | who do I fix this? |
| 11:00.11 | mindcooker | *how |
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| 11:01.11 | rozie | mindcooker: use virtualbox from Debian |
| 11:01.34 | Peleus | any typical command to use for partioning an ntfs drive to ext4 in debian command line? total overwrite is ok |
| 11:02.46 | rozie | Peleus: (man) mkfs.ext4 |
| 11:02.58 | at0m|c | Peleus: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdXn, but man mkfs.ext4^ first |
| 11:03.11 | brontosaurusrex | mindcooker: what debian is that? |
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| 11:03.30 | mindcooker | brontosaurusrex, 8.1 |
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| 11:07.00 | brontosaurusrex | It appears that vbox 5 is out, so I guess check the vbox site |
| 11:07.18 | brontosaurusrex | or as already stated use the one in repos |
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| 11:09.21 | Uller | Do I need to unmount /sda and /sda1 to 'parted' USB stick? |
| 11:09.41 | SynrG | mindcooker: you're the second person today to complain here about virtualbox.org's problem with their archives. please see #vbox for that. |
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| 11:09.49 | SynrG | mindcooker: we don't support that. they do. |
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| 11:11.22 | SynrG | mindcooker: also, it's likely Packages.bz2 that doesn't match, as we determined earlier |
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| 11:23.06 | showaz | sid debian go to production |
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| 11:24.00 | BluesKaj | Hi again |
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| 11:30.25 | asasmita | HI :), I have a question, how can I install only one package in debian? thank you before :) |
| 11:31.08 | surs2 | sh /media/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run requires /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h but it doesn't exist. I have /usr/include/linux/version.h and .../linux/dvb/version.h though, can I just create a link at the correct path? |
| 11:31.14 | kale | asasmita: as in one additional package? |
| 11:31.16 | surs2 | and if yes, which one do I link to? |
| 11:31.22 | asasmita | kale: yes :) |
| 11:31.42 | kale | asasmita: apt-get install <package> ... then if it has dependencies, say no |
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| 11:32.37 | asasmita | kale: I want to install nagios-nrpe-plugin, on one debian system it only install that one package, on another debian system, it wants to install nagios and other stuff |
| 11:32.48 | showaz | surs2: http://askubuntu.com/a/391035/159975 |
| 11:33.11 | Gaurishankar_ | Hi |
| 11:33.18 | kale | asasmita: on the first system, those additional packages might have been installed beforehand |
| 11:33.26 | Gaurishankar_ | Failed to initialize Dm devices error in Debian Server |
| 11:33.30 | Gaurishankar_ | Any help |
| 11:33.37 | kale | asasmita: dpkg --list to see what you have installed |
| 11:33.43 | Gaurishankar_ | This I get while shutiing down the system |
| 11:34.51 | asasmita | kale: nope, no nagios installed on that machine |
| 11:35.09 | asasmita | kale: strange, it has defferent dependencies |
| 11:35.09 | kale | asasmita: compare /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:35.18 | asasmita | kale: will do :) |
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| 11:36.56 | asasmita | one has deb deb "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free contrib" and the other one has "http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" |
| 11:38.25 | Uller | How can I detect my wireless hardware so I can install driver? |
| 11:38.31 | Uller | Seems that it's not deteted at all |
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| 11:38.40 | Uller | Don't even have it in lspci |
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| 11:39.39 | Gaurishankar_ | I am using Debian 8.1 |
| 11:39.55 | Gaurishankar_ | While shutting down I get error Failed to initiloze DM devices |
| 11:40.09 | Gaurishankar_ | can ne one help |
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| 11:43.40 | DammitJim | ok, silly question... I need to extend a hard drive in a vm |
| 11:43.50 | DammitJim | I have already expanded the hard drive on vmware |
| 11:44.00 | DammitJim | how do I get debian to recognize this new available space? |
| 11:44.25 | DammitJim | I tried running sudo echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan but that gave me a Permission Denied (I"m following a tutorial online) |
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| 11:47.57 | showaz | DammitJim: echo "- - -" | sudo tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan |
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| 11:48.06 | showaz | DammitJim: man tee |
| 11:48.10 | DammitJim | oooohh |
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| 11:48.13 | DammitJim | thanks showaz ! |
| 11:48.18 | DammitJim | I ended up just rebooting the server |
| 11:48.19 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 11:49.18 | showaz | (su + echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan) too work |
| 11:49.30 | DammitJim | su + ? |
| 11:49.34 | DammitJim | I need to learn soooo much! |
| 11:50.11 | DammitJim | showaz, if I am understanding this right, I need to create a new partition with the new available space and then with that I can expand my pre-existing logical volume? |
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| 11:50.51 | showaz | DammitJim: "sudo su" or "su - root" or "su" |
| 11:51.03 | showaz | root mode |
| 11:51.16 | DammitJim | oh, I have never seen the command su + echo |
| 11:51.27 | DammitJim | I guess I could have done sudo su - |
| 11:51.36 | showaz | stdout data no sudo |
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| 11:51.50 | showaz | your only run echo root , but write user |
| 11:51.53 | DammitJim | but am I on the right track with regards to creating a new physical partition to then expand my logical volume? |
| 11:52.10 | DammitJim | I don't know why I thought I could expand the current physical volume |
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| 12:14.02 | surs | hi, I can't log into my debian install anymore since I changed the keyboard layout and the locale. when I type the password into the username field it looks correct. I use a password safe and I've used the same password before the changes to run commands with sudo, so I know I have the right password |
| 12:14.08 | surs | what options do I have? |
| 12:14.20 | surs | it's a vm in virtualbox |
| 12:14.44 | ziGuy | Hi, Anyone have a solution for the cannot resume after suspension problem when using nouveau? |
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| 12:15.27 | ziGuy | (instead of switching to nvidia driver) |
| 12:15.55 | surs | also the root password under the recovery mode isn't working anymore |
| 12:17.09 | SynrG | boot with init=/bin/sh, mount -o remount,rw /, set passwords to something you can type without problems using the new keyboard layout/locale, sync and reboot |
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| 12:18.47 | xarragon | For anyone else interested in messing with the debian installer to make it do your bidding: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ |
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| 12:24.33 | surs | quick question, do I dd an installer iso to /dev/sdx or to /dev/sdx1 ? |
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| 12:25.37 | surs | disregard |
| 12:27.09 | DammitJim | exit |
| 12:27.17 | DammitJim | man, focus, focus!!! |
| 12:27.29 | BluesKaj | xarragon, i'm no devel, but the partitioner in the installer leaves a lot to be desired, it can be quite confusing for the new user , very clunky |
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| 12:29.30 | BluesKaj | xarragon, debain could take a look at the ubiquity installer in the ubuntu flavours on a straight forward gui appraoch to the partitioner even in the manual mode |
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| 12:35.26 | xarragon | BluesKaj: That was actually the reason I stated to mess around; I wanted a pure EFIStub boot (no extraneous ext2 partition or grub) and. Just an EFI boot partition plus LUKS container. I got it working, now I am considering skipping the LVM container inside the LUKS container and jut use another GPT inside. |
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| 12:36.46 | xarragon | I am unsure whether the kernel can figure out where the root is when using that approach though. It is possible, I tried it yesterday using loopback devices. But the 'cryptdevice' parameter seems to be geared towards using LUKS+LVM. |
| 12:37.30 | xarragon | But once the crypto partition is unlocked, the root fs should appear under /dev/disk/* somewhere I belive. |
| 12:38.15 | xarragon | I am not sure what I gain by using GPT instead of LVM though. Reduced complexity, I guess.. LVM is allegedly tricky if the filesystem gets damaged. |
| 12:39.34 | rdz | hey all. is there a way to specify an either-or dependency in debian package "depends:" field? in this case i want to make the package dependent on mpv _or_ mplayer |
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| 12:39.58 | xarragon | Anyway, EFIStub boots from passphrase to XFCE login in about a second. It was pretty easy. |
| 12:40.14 | xarragon | On a Thinkpad X230 with SSD. |
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| 12:43.21 | BluesKaj | xarragon, well gpt is important for dual booters using Windows 8+ and linux , as far the encryption modes go like luks that's not used by very many people afaik |
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| 12:47.08 | BluesKaj | you devels are in the rarified air and should stop and take a look at the problems that we plebes deal with everyday :-) |
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| 12:47.49 | xarragon | BluesKaj: In my case I want tot be able to use the debian installer a bit more like a recovery tool. I used to boot up slackwares installer and could basically do everything I needed. Debian's is not as useful imho.. But that is probably just because I do not know how to utilize it fully. |
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| 12:48.57 | xarragon | BluesKaj: Well i am not a dev.. not of debian at least, just another Dirty use |
| 12:49.02 | xarragon | dirty user* |
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| 12:49.54 | BluesKaj | xarragon, the debian installer is kind of old and clunky IMO ...reminds me of the same one from 10 yrs ago |
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| 12:50.44 | SynrG | BluesKaj: did you come here for support, or just to rant? |
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| 12:50.46 | xarragon | Have you seen what Arch Linux has done? Their installer is just a script now.. You jut boot into a shell and follow a guide. |
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| 12:51.18 | xarragon | About as user-friendly as a pair of scissors to the eye. But dang, you can solve anything if you got the knowledge |
| 12:52.29 | xarragon | You'd want that flexibility and power with the ease of use of an installer. The problem with the debian installer is the opaqueness between the menus and the shell |
| 12:52.47 | xarragon | But I should just shut up or put up at this point. |
| 12:52.57 | BluesKaj | yup, I think so ...inmstaled arch a couple of yrs ago following a step by step script ...it didn't make me feel like keeping the OS tho...it's was anticlimactic ..Arcc didn't do much for me |
| 12:53.34 | BluesKaj | err Arch that is |
| 12:53.49 | xarragon | I liked Arch before I knew "the debian way". |
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| 12:54.15 | xarragon | I run both debian and arch now, Arch for bleeding edge and nvidia-binary-whathavyou. |
| 12:54.31 | xarragon | The Arch linux community has gotten a bit.. overbearing though |
| 12:54.33 | SynrG | trouble is, everyone is quick to jump on d-i (or pick your favourite piece of software solving a complex set of problems) but nobody is stepping forward to replace it with something better. sure, it's not perfect, but it's what we have. if you want to see it improve, file bugs. |
| 12:54.46 | SynrG | but this whole thing is -> #debian-offtopic |
| 12:54.55 | SynrG | (except for the hate-on for developers. that goes -> /dev/null) |
| 12:54.57 | xarragon | SynrG: Affirmative |
| 12:55.25 | inch | If you need to use Debian installer often enough to be annoyed by it, you have a problem somewhere else. |
| 12:56.05 | inch | A lot of installs -> use preseed or clone installations. Few installs -> use backups or just don't break them so often :-) |
| 12:56.07 | BluesKaj | I'm mostly a kubuntu devel user , 15.10 alpha1 atm ,, but thought I'd check out debain again after all these yrs since kubuntu might near the end of it's life after Oct. |
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| 12:57.29 | SynrG | and just as an aside, ubiquity doesn't solve the same problem as d-i. it's a fundamentally different approach. it can't ever be a general purpose installer (which is why ubuntu has their "alternative" installer, which is ... ahem ... debian-installer :) |
| 12:58.01 | SynrG | but by all means continue on #debian-offtopic if there's anything left to be said. |
| 12:58.04 | xarragon | Yeah, also, DI also aims to conserve memory during install etc, which few other attempts. |
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| 12:58.54 | otyugh__ | time to time I've got this in my syslog : "Jul 10 14:17:01 qnap CRON[1896]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" : is that normal ? Can I disable this ? Despite there is nothing in mt /etc/cron.hourly. |
| 12:59.01 | xarragon | In my case, I just needed access to efibootmgr to correct an invalid path.. |
| 13:00.00 | BluesKaj | shrugs , well no matter, it's implementation is easier for new linux users than the debian installer no matter what it's based on |
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| 13:01.31 | xarragon | Well I do need a sie project while I am in franfurt for a month |
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| 13:04.08 | hassoon | why isn't unetbootin in Jessie's repository :o |
| 13:04.16 | hassoon | downloads it manually |
| 13:05.35 | abrotman | because it typically doens't work with Debian ISOs |
| 13:05.42 | AWeSomeAo | hassoon: it has been dropped after wheezy, but it is currently in unstable |
| 13:05.55 | SynrG | hassoon: noooo...OOooOo... |
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| 13:06.09 | hassoon | SynrG: not me :P |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | (and there's really no need for it in linux anyway) |
| 13:06.12 | BluesKaj | hassoon, use dd |
| 13:06.46 | hassoon | BluesKaj: wanna something cool like e2b :> |
| 13:06.49 | SynrG | hassoon: not you what? "* hassoon downloads it manually" <- grievous error |
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| 13:07.07 | SynrG | hassoon: will cause the death of many kittens |
| 13:07.08 | hassoon | SynrG: what's wrong with it? i'm getting it from debian's wheezy's page |
| 13:07.10 | k-man | hi |
| 13:07.36 | SynrG | it's a horrible tool and screws up debian images |
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| 13:07.37 | SynrG | don't use it |
| 13:07.40 | BluesKaj | hassoon, apps that work are cool ..unetbootin isn't cool |
| 13:07.52 | k-man | i have a debian machine connected to my TV via hdmi. it works well but xorg keeps blanking the screen and I can';t work out what mechanism is blanking it |
| 13:08.00 | k-man | i'm using xfce as the wm |
| 13:08.06 | hassoon | BluesKaj: i..might agree with that, it's an ugly-looking yet ineffective single-system installer |
| 13:08.36 | SynrG | looks have nothing to do with how uncool it is |
| 13:08.52 | BluesKaj | hassoon, it was unpredictable , sometimes it worked , sometimes not |
| 13:09.01 | hassoon | sure, i care for the appearace, SynrG |
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| 13:09.15 | hassoon | BluesKaj: but it's always there around anyway :> |
| 13:09.46 | BluesKaj | try if you muist , but you'll be wasting your time |
| 13:09.53 | SynrG | it could have a face only a mother could love, but i wouldn't hate it on that grounds. it's completely unnecessary for debian installs, and is unreliable as well |
| 13:09.55 | hassoon | SynrG: wwhat did yo mean earlier, about killing kittens, and disagreeing with me downloading unetbooting manually from debian's site |
| 13:10.09 | hassoon | *unetbootin * |
| 13:10.17 | SynrG | as in "every time a debian user uses unetbootin to try to install debian, God kills a kitten" |
| 13:10.26 | hassoon | BluesKaj: i'm still getting used to e2b anyway :p |
| 13:10.43 | SynrG | it is dropped from debian for a reason. rather than trying to use it anyway, seek an alternative solution. one that works. |
| 13:11.01 | hassoon | SynrG: ah yeah, it gives me only a live-cd copy of debian, in fact i can't install it with a unetbootin-made copy |
| 13:11.06 | hassoon | SynrG: true. |
| 13:11.10 | xarragon | Why would you even want it, when dd is so easy? |
| 13:11.16 | SynrG | or cp |
| 13:11.24 | SynrG | which is what the debian installation guide says anyway |
| 13:11.39 | hassoon | what? cp'ing the distro's iso to the flash drive does work? :o |
| 13:11.41 | SynrG | cp nameofimage.iso /dev/sdx (where sdx is the whole device, not a partition) |
| 13:11.44 | xarragon | SynrG: Reading.. a.. manual? Is this what you sugest? |
| 13:11.47 | xarragon | suggest* |
| 13:12.13 | SynrG | xarragon: heaven forbid. that's what #debian is for! as a manual-reading proxy. |
| 13:12.25 | hassoon | heyyyy, that's hilariously easy, how come i don't know that |
| 13:12.26 | xarragon | SynrG: Exactly! |
| 13:12.39 | SynrG | hassoon: failure to read the manual? hint, hint |
| 13:12.41 | hassoon | why are the so-called live-cd softwares around then ? |
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| 13:12.57 | SynrG | what? this isn't to do an install ... |
| 13:13.12 | SynrG | what do you mean by "live-cd softwares"? |
| 13:13.22 | pvoigt | I have removed "-nolisten tcp" from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc of my Jessie/Systemd installation in order to accept remote connections on port 6000. However, this only works, if I launch Gnome3 using startx, e.g. from multi-user.target. When booting into graphical.target X is still started with "-nolisten tcp". Any advice is greatly appreciated. |
| 13:13.25 | SynrG | this is merely a method of copying an image to a USB |
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| 13:13.50 | hassoon | SynrG: softwares that one uses to prepare a bootable usb copy of a linux odstro |
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| 13:13.53 | hassoon | *distr |
| 13:13.55 | hassoon | *o |
| 13:13.56 | SynrG | hassoon: once upon a time, there were no hybrid images. tool writers wrote special purpose tools to take a standard (non-hybrid) ISO and convert it to boot from USB |
| 13:13.58 | hassoon | or even another OS |
| 13:14.00 | xarragon | SynrG: When did cp become feasible for that? I have been using dd since the early 2000's. I guess cp does not kill of the flashdisk's unique ID etc, like dd does? |
| 13:14.20 | SynrG | hassoon: for a few releases now, we've had hybrid images, rendering such software unnecessary. |
| 13:14.23 | hassoon | SynrG: seems like the eighties :o |
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| 13:15.01 | SynrG | xarragon: since at least wheezy, and probably before. check the commit history of debian installation guide, i guess? |
| 13:15.01 | xarragon | SynrG: Ah, ok, so it is simply not the raw writing then. Nwm, I'll read the manual like you suggested. |
| 13:15.38 | xarragon | SynrG: Thanks for the info, I want to know more about that. I will look on my own. |
| 13:16.08 | SynrG | pvoigt: as you have determined, it's the *dm that determines that |
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| 13:16.23 | SynrG | pvoigt: e.g. with lightdm i found an option to not start xserver with -nolisten tcp |
| 13:16.30 | SynrG | pvoigt: i don't know how it's done with gdm3 |
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| 13:18.08 | SynrG | pvoigt: nothing in the doc, or in comments of conf files for gdm3 about this? i found it in the comments of lightdm's default conf files. |
| 13:18.13 | pvoigt | SynrG: I suppose it might be a systemd setting. |
| 13:18.20 | hassoon | meh, anyway, i'm not going to use unetbootin for a debian installer, not at all |
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| 13:18.42 | hassoon | in fact, i'm going to make a bootable usb copy of elementary os |
| 13:18.59 | SynrG | hassoon: so elementary OS doesn't use hybrid images? |
| 13:19.03 | SynrG | that seems very backwards |
| 13:19.36 | hassoon | hey wait, i'm reading about this isohybrid thing in debian's wiki :o |
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| 13:20.14 | pvoigt | SynrG: I am not very familiar with the config file. I always have the feeling they are spread around on my harddisk. I have gogled now so much^^ |
| 13:20.22 | hassoon | SynrG: If i found a way of installing eos's appealing DE in my debian jessien i would have never though of installing eos |
| 13:20.25 | hassoon | :/ |
| 13:20.33 | hassoon | same for Deepin's DE |
| 13:20.35 | SynrG | hassoon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1070923 |
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| 13:20.47 | SynrG | hassoon: marked as 'fix released' |
| 13:21.17 | SynrG | hassoon: hybrid has been around for enough years, i'm surprised if there are any modern distros that don't use it |
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| 13:21.56 | hassoon | ah |
| 13:21.57 | SynrG | pvoigt: well, it was very easy in lightdm. if gdm3 confuses you, consider switching? ;) |
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| 13:22.17 | abrotman | SynrG: since all modern distros are based on Debian ... :) |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | Or are Debian!!! |
| 13:22.45 | pvoigt | I had to adapt /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf as well. But what really confuses me ist the fact, that it is working when lauchning via startx only. |
| 13:22.50 | SynrG | abrotman: amen! |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | not sure why anyone would use a 'based on' .. |
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| 13:23.58 | hassoon | debian is easy to understand and configure |
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| 13:24.09 | hassoon | things like ubuntu break my damn head |
| 13:24.21 | hassoon | especially its packages system |
| 13:24.25 | abrotman | .... |
| 13:24.26 | SynrG | pvoigt: not that confusing. startx is its own thing, with its own config files. gdm3, lightdm, etc. don't use them. |
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| 13:24.27 | hassoon | ppa or whatever that's called |
| 13:24.42 | hassoon | abrotman: yep. |
| 13:25.00 | abrotman | no, that was about your comment |
| 13:25.09 | hassoon | what about it |
| 13:25.16 | pvoigt | SynrG: The "-nolisten tcp" is an X setting and to my knowledge not a GDM3 one. |
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| 13:25.45 | SynrG | pvoigt: be that as it may, 'xserverrc' is not a file GDM3 cares about |
| 13:26.47 | SynrG | pvoigt: check the startx man page. xserverrc belongs to startx, not to X |
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| 13:28.11 | pvoigt | SynrG: OK, will read man page. Hope in the meanwhile a hint coming in^^ |
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| 13:29.17 | fraff | hi all, what happened to package ksymoops ? it disappeared from pool ! |
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| 13:30.39 | Equa | fraff, it's in sid repo |
| 13:30.53 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | Equa: no, it's not .. and that's not a solutoin |
| 13:31.21 | fraff | Equa: it used to be in all repo, isn't it ? |
| 13:31.35 | themill | ,bug rm ksymoops |
| 13:31.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/597388 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: ksymoops -- RoQA; useless on Linux 2.6, does not currently build»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-09-19; last modified: 2010-10-18. |
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| 13:32.28 | hassoon | waes at Etch. |
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| 13:33.17 | hassoon | abrotman: since sid is unstable after all ? |
| 13:36.16 | fraff | thank you guys |
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| 13:57.32 | jubo2 | mmm.. |
| 13:57.43 | jubo2 | Now I have a valid wild card cert |
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| 13:58.07 | jubo2 | I'm not sure how I use the wild card cert to generate the certs for the subdomains |
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| 13:59.43 | ThunderFrog | Hi all, does anyone know if it's possible to pass pxe boot (kernel) parameters to a debian install? |
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| 14:00.45 | ThunderFrog | i only need to pass one identifier so my deployment tool (ansible) can identify and do cool stuff |
| 14:03.25 | meaneye | Is there a way to add repository and just have one package from there installed? |
| 14:04.04 | SynrG | meaneye: yes, with pinning |
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| 14:04.17 | meaneye | I guessed as much. |
| 14:04.24 | meaneye | Any online help you can provide me with? |
| 14:04.44 | SynrG | which repository? for example: |
| 14:04.46 | SynrG | !dmm pinning |
| 14:04.46 | dpkg | To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>. If you also use backports, you should pin them higher than dmm. |
| 14:04.57 | meaneye | SynrG, http://debian.orson.at/ |
| 14:05.11 | meaneye | I just ordered Roccat mouse, but I don't want to get other stuff from there. |
| 14:05.16 | SynrG | i see |
| 14:05.28 | SynrG | so something similar to the above, except with the correct origin for this repo |
| 14:05.39 | SynrG | check the Release file to see what the origin is. |
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| 14:06.42 | SynrG | meaneye: looks like Origin: OTP Solutions |
| 14:06.51 | meaneye | Okay thanks! |
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| 14:07.20 | themill | note that origin and Origin are helpfully different |
| 14:07.23 | SynrG | meaneye: after pinning and before installing, you'll want to check 'apt-cache policy' to make sure you got it right |
| 14:07.29 | SynrG | themill: how wonderful |
| 14:07.35 | meaneye | Okay. |
| 14:07.53 | themill | origin is the hostname; o= is the Origin: field |
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| 14:08.03 | SynrG | doh |
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| 14:08.47 | SynrG | i can't say for certain which would be more reliable |
| 14:08.57 | SynrG | certainly people change hostnames over time ... |
| 14:09.19 | meaneye | Well, should the issue arise I'll deal with it. |
| 14:09.50 | SynrG | meaneye: so i guess you put Pin: origin "debian.orson.at" |
| 14:10.14 | meaneye | So basically I just lower the priority, and not specify which package I want? |
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| 14:10.32 | SynrG | you lower the priority in general |
| 14:10.57 | SynrG | and then specifically install the package you want from that repo. then even if there's a higher version of the other things with same name as your usual repos, it won't be preferred |
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| 14:11.10 | SynrG | apt will still know about the other packages, but will never prefer them |
| 14:11.10 | meaneye | Okay. |
| 14:11.11 | meaneye | Thanks. |
| 14:11.18 | SynrG | also, with 101, i think upgrades are allowed |
| 14:11.40 | SynrG | so if you install from debian.orson.at a specific version and they produce a later version, it will upgrade |
| 14:11.45 | SynrG | see the apt_preferences man page |
| 14:11.51 | meaneye | Will do. Thanks. |
| 14:12.25 | SynrG | in contrast with, e.g., experimental which is pinned at priority 1 and does not have that behaviour |
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| 14:35.07 | jaggz- | what prevents my /tmp from being bound to my raid array's tmp dir? /tmp /mnt/array/tmp none defaults,bind 0 0 |
| 14:35.21 | jaggz- | mount still shows: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=409600k) |
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| 14:37.54 | jaggz- | ehhhh.... looks like it was this other place http://www.legendiary.at/2012/12/30/debian-wheezy-mounts-tmp-as-tmpfs-by-default-not-anymore/ |
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| 15:16.49 | emorris | Hi, I need to know programatically upon boot when a system without RTC has got a "pretty accurate" date set by ntpd. ntp-wait seems to wait for several minutes, even after the clock has been set. Any ideas? ntpd is using the -q option, and I've tried tinker panic 0 in the config file, but same results. |
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| 15:20.42 | techtopia | hello |
| 15:20.52 | techtopia | i never set a root password during install |
| 15:21.02 | AWeSomeAo | When I install a package with "apt-get install xyz/unstable" (assuming that in my propertiers, pin prio for unstable is -1), will I track updates for this package from unstable? |
| 15:21.05 | techtopia | now when i try to su it asks for a password |
| 15:21.12 | techtopia | but will not work as none is seyt |
| 15:21.30 | techtopia | if i try do "passwd -u root" from termianl i get permission denied errors |
| 15:21.42 | techtopia | is there somway to fix this withour reinstalling |
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| 15:24.24 | ChrisH | techtopia: boot frpm any media, edit /etc/passwn or run passwd command in chroot env |
| 15:25.15 | techtopia | ok |
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| 15:29.47 | welpo | I need help reporting a bug. I got to the point where it opens my editor with the subject, package and all the info. I've explained what the bug is, the expected and actual results, but I'm not sure where to post the patch or what the next step will be |
| 15:30.47 | welpo | I got to this point running 'reportbug' |
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| 15:32.18 | kurt_ | Hi |
| 15:32.30 | AWeSomeAo | Ohne Helm und ohne Gurt |
| 15:32.33 | kurt_ | I was wondering if anyone here would mind giving me a hand with a dependency issue I have? |
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| 15:33.08 | kurt_ | I'm not 100% sure on the best way to solve this mainly becuase there is a piece of information I'm not sure if it's valid or not.. |
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| 15:34.39 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 15:34.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:34.58 | petn-randall | kurt_: Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. :) ^^^^^ |
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| 15:36.29 | kurt_ | I am trying to install Lightworks via a .deb file (Video editing software) on Debian Jessie and when I run the .deb file I get "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libjpeg8 (>=8c)" So I guess my version of libjpeg8 is too low.. I check my package manager and I can only see "libjpeg62-turbo" I read online Jessie migrated from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo? so this is causing my dependency issue I guess? |
| 15:37.17 | mtn | kurt_, don't forget to mention you are using lmde |
| 15:37.19 | kurt_ | Just wondering what the best way to solve this is? since I can't directly install libjpeg8 via the package manager and if I could get it another way..is it safe to do so? here is the website of the software I need https://www.lwks.com/ it's also where I got the .deb from |
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| 15:44.09 | kurt_ | I guess no one else has had this issue yet then? |
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| 15:51.54 | emorris | kurt_, what's wrong with the one in the repo? |
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| 15:52.18 | kurt_ | I don't have lightworks in my package manager I need to download it from their site |
| 15:52.46 | emorris | kurt_, yes, but you can still use the dependencies from the package manager |
| 15:52.54 | kurt_ | Ahh you meant that, sorry |
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| 15:54.28 | kurt_ | libjpeg isn't in my package manager either for some reason I do however find libjpeg62-turbo..I read that Debian Jessie was migrating from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo thats something I havent been able to clarify though..would be nice if someone could clarify this for me so I can be sure why I don't have libjpeg in my package manager :/ |
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| 15:56.37 | jhutchins | ,v libjpeg8 |
| 15:56.38 | judd | Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2; stretch: 8d1-2 |
| 15:56.59 | kurt_ | What about Jessie though? |
| 15:57.09 | emorris | kurt_, hmm, for some reason it's in squeeze, wheezy, stretch and sid but not jessie |
| 15:57.15 | kurt_ | :( |
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| 15:57.29 | jhutchins | I have it on squeeze, but it's a serial upgrade. |
| 15:57.43 | jhutchins | So probably installed in an earlier release. |
| 15:57.45 | knoppix | hi all |
| 15:57.48 | kurt_ | So am I kinda stuck here? use Ubuntu or Linux Mint 17 or Windows? |
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| 15:58.11 | kurt_ | or wait for lightworks to update and hopefully they remove the dependancy for libjpeg8 in the next release? |
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| 16:00.24 | jd1 | install it from source or package into alternative directory, then use 'LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libjpeg8.so deb -i lightworks.deb' ? |
| 16:00.39 | medfly | hello I would like to modify my Xorg conf I know that like ubuntu has all sorts of roundabout ways of editing config files, can I just edit it without it being the worst thing ever / it being manually reset? (I want to enable numpad mouse) |
| 16:01.11 | jhutchins | kurt_: Ordinarily I wouldn't recommend this, but it demonstrably works on an upgraded system: Install the wheezy package. |
| 16:02.09 | jhutchins | kurt_: The more orthodox method would be to do an <ssb> from sid. |
| 16:02.49 | jhutchins | medfly: These days it's more common to drop fragments in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 16:03.55 | medfly | thanks man. I found out there's a way to do it by commandline at runtime! this is much preferable. I only temporarily gave my mouse away :) |
| 16:04.03 | medfly | good to know |
| 16:04.04 | kurt_ | jhutchins: so you think I should install the wheexy libjpeg8 to fix this issue? |
| 16:04.48 | jhutchins | kurt_: I think you could do that, and I don't think it would have any negative consequences. If a newer version is released for jessie it will update cleanly. |
| 16:05.25 | jhutchins | kurt_: There's a way to query the bots for why a package was dropped but I can never remember the syntax. |
| 16:05.50 | kurt_ | ahh |
| 16:05.51 | kurt_ | lol |
| 16:06.38 | kurt_ | I guess this is the correct link for the wheezy one? https://packages.debian.org/sid/libjpeg8 I just select the amd64 and install..? and should be fine with the current libjpeg62-turbo and any future updates? |
| 16:06.58 | jhutchins | That's the sid version. |
| 16:07.31 | jhutchins | kurt_: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libjpeg8 |
| 16:07.31 | kurt_ | oh.... and that's why I'm in here haha, so I don't mess up xD |
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| 16:07.41 | kurt_ | ok, so install that one and I should be good to go? :) |
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| 16:08.05 | jhutchins | kurt_: I don't have any certain knowledge, just that it's on my system and it's OK. |
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| 16:08.31 | kurt_ | ahh ok, you are using Jessie also? or Wheezy? |
| 16:09.06 | jhutchins | kurt_: jessie upgraded from wheezy (upgraded sequentially from etch). |
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| 16:10.30 | kurt_ | Ahh ok I see, it must have kept libjpeg8 from the previous version before upgrade I guess then. If it's working on your system then I think I'll try the link you gave me and see how it goes. Thanks for the help so far I'll let you know how it goes :) |
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| 16:14.57 | BluesKaj | finally managed to install the nvidia-340 driver on jessie 8..1 , needs the nvidia-xconfig app and xserver file ...almost a regression |
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| 16:18.25 | jelly | BluesKaj: uh, that's the version already available in jessie/non-free? |
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| 16:20.06 | BluesKaj | jelly, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#jessie |
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| 16:21.29 | kurt_ | jhutchins: the library installed np and now lightworks is installing! seems to be working! thanks! :D |
| 16:21.50 | BluesKaj | jelly, yes the non-free ..other tuts didn't suggest the nvidia-xconfig file either |
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| 16:24.15 | jelly | BluesKaj: a minimal setup doesn't require the whole xorg.conf file, just the xorg.conf.d/ snippet to specify the driver |
| 16:25.07 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 16:25.07 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 16:25.19 | JyZyXEL | how do you 'touch' a file thats name starts with a dash? |
| 16:25.35 | jelly | JyZyXEL: touch ./-coolname- |
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| 16:26.05 | jelly | JyZyXEL: or specify the whoe, absolute path |
| 16:26.46 | JyZyXEL | i tried using ''s and "'s |
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| 16:28.39 | kurt_ | hmm weird, lightworks installed fine..and then when I run it..just loads a blank screen... lol |
| 16:28.40 | jelly | JyZyXEL: the quotes are only for your shell. The command called does not see them. |
| 16:28.44 | kurt_ | tried it with primusrun to use my nvidia card and without... |
| 16:28.50 | kurt_ | terminal doesnt output anything either..it just goes to a new line as if no command is currently running once the empty window for lightworks loads but lightworks is empty and wont do anything lol |
| 16:28.51 | acz32 | why might kdm (login manager) be starting too late. i get the non-graphical login prompt and then about 5-6 seconds later the login manager takes over |
| 16:28.53 | JyZyXEL | yeah that makes sense |
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| 16:29.05 | kurt_ | probably a library issue becuase of my earlier problems? but I need to go and eat now.. I'll try and figure this one out later at least its installed now :) |
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| 16:29.14 | petn-randall | acz32: Check in the logs why it might be starting delayed. Which release are you running? |
| 16:29.19 | BluesKaj | jelly, I'm used to the kubuntu method of installation , sudo apt-get install nvidia-340 |
| 16:29.23 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: \-file |
| 16:29.49 | mistnim | how do I know which packages are installed with jessie with the base installation? |
| 16:29.50 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: nope. |
| 16:30.08 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: It's one of the occasions where a file manager can help. I usually install mc for things like that. |
| 16:30.17 | acz32 | petn-randall: ok. i'm running 8.1 |
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| 16:33.52 | BluesKaj | jelly, mind you the nouveau driver was doing a fine job on it's own, and i really can't tell the difference in performance. I'm not a gamer or anything of the sort so it's almost redundant |
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| 16:36.50 | petn-randall | acz32: 'systemctl -xb' might give you hints, assuming you're running systemd. And then there's /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and ~/.xsession-errors. |
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| 16:37.54 | acz32 | petn-randall: ok thanks i'll check those logs to see what it might be |
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| 16:39.40 | petn-randall | acz32: systemd also has 'systemd-analyze critical-chain'. |
| 16:39.48 | acz32 | i also have an issue where i can't adjust screen's backlight. the keyboard controls show the brightness slider but don't actually affect brightness. on boot i see messges about radeon_bl |
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| 17:16.12 | GJdan | so I'm installing grub onto my other raided disks so the system boots if a disk fails. I'm using xen so the default grub arch files aren't there, so do I specify the target? update-grub && grub-install --target=x86_64-xen /dev/sdb |
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| 17:17.28 | GJdan | I see the default target is i386-pc Maybe I use the i386-xen? |
| 17:17.34 | GJdan | when do you use x86_64? |
| 17:19.39 | jhutchins | GJdan: xeons |
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| 17:20.36 | GJdan | so if I'm just using an i5-4570S I would still use i386? |
| 17:20.57 | GJdan | (efi if that makes a difference) Sorry I have no clue where to start googling this |
| 17:21.08 | acz32 | when might a kernel >3.16 arrive in backports? |
| 17:21.17 | GJdan | at least not without having tp spend the next day or two studying grub |
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| 17:35.23 | leto | 1Hi, I'm facing a bug with my debian ((4.0.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.7-1 (2015-07-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux stretch/sid) |
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| 17:39.38 | centrx | !ask |
| 17:39.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:33.47 | pvoigt | SynrG: I still could not solve the initial problem and have finally decided to switch to X11 forwarding instead. |
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| 18:36.42 | leto | Hi, I'm facing a bug with my debian ((4.0.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.7-1 (2015-07-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux stretch/sid) installed on a Lenovo X230. Here is a part of my kern.log: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce5f3aba/ How to solve it? |
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| 18:38.31 | jhutchins | leto: It's always a good idea to give a summary here instead of expecting people to go open a link. |
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| 18:40.06 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 18:40.06 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 18:41.24 | jhutchins | leto: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 18:42.10 | greycat | well, apparently the first thing he did was "upgrade to unstable", so... |
| 18:42.23 | leto | jhutchins: ok, if I'm able to sum up :) My session crashed and my computer powered off, I've looked in the kern.log to find a clue, I've find a segfault that I've put in the link. |
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| 18:42.51 | leto | greycat: I didn't upgraded to unstable, it's a first fresh install from instable |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | That's just so wrong. |
| 18:43.15 | jhutchins | leto: Does the problem happen with stable? |
| 18:43.20 | jhutchins | leto: Has it happened more than once? |
| 18:43.25 | greycat | So apparently the zeroeth thing he did was "find an unofficial unstable Debian install image"? |
| 18:44.33 | leto | greycat: your point of view. And your wrong again, it was a netinstall from the mini.iso |
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| 18:45.50 | leto | jhutchins: I don't know if the problem happens with stable. But I know this problem didn't happened with ubuntu 15.04, which is based on debian instable I assume. And yes it happened twice. |
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| 19:26.06 | Iridos | leto, there are no official install images for sid in debian... |
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| 19:33.46 | Iridos | and I seem to remember that those warn_slowpath... messages could be ignored... that was disks/filesystem stuff, though.. not sure I can see if this is also from the fs |
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| 19:34.30 | minot | hey guys, what's up with my disk usage? can someone help me? https://gist.github.com/9034725985/6f8c811325cceed0e3b6 what is this partition for? /dev/dm-0 |
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| 19:37.03 | greycat | well, it's mounted as / which is the important part |
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| 19:37.36 | Iridos | dm... device-mapper? |
| 19:38.39 | Iridos | minot, what's up with your disk-usage... you're using 204G out of 204G? |
| 19:39.01 | Iridos | it's full! |
| 19:39.06 | greycat | Indeed. |
| 19:39.06 | minot | Iridos, how? |
| 19:39.07 | Iridos | guess someone had to say the obvious |
| 19:39.13 | leto | Iridos: yes I know, that's why I used netinstall mini.iso |
| 19:39.16 | Iridos | dunno, it's your stuff |
| 19:39.17 | greycat | How full? All the way full. |
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| 19:39.17 | centrx | 204 / 204 = 1 |
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| 19:39.30 | minot | you guys I has the dumbs |
| 19:39.34 | Iridos | greycat, ah yes... right :) |
| 19:40.02 | minot | I mean can I ssh in and see what's taking up all the space? |
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| 19:40.25 | Iridos | minot, try something like du -hs /* /.[^.]*|sort -h |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | I would absolutely do that if I were you, yes. |
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| 19:40.47 | greycat | Presumably you were already ssh'ed in because you managed to run df somehow. |
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| 19:42.00 | minot | Iridos, it doesn't work. All I get is permission denied |
| 19:42.10 | greycat | what. |
| 19:42.12 | Iridos | as root |
| 19:42.17 | minot | ah |
| 19:42.24 | greycat | even as non-root I would still expect results |
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| 19:42.40 | Iridos | yes... but among errors |
| 19:42.43 | greycat | sure |
| 19:42.45 | Iridos | and the errors may come first |
| 19:42.56 | greycat | ah, he didn't wait, and you used |sort |
| 19:42.57 | Iridos | while the results take time while df just sits here |
| 19:43.05 | leto | jhutchins: any idea to fix the bug shown in my log? Should I ask somewhere else? |
| 19:43.06 | minot | I got it |
| 19:43.07 | Iridos | yes |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | I'm more traditional -- I'd just do "cd /" and "du -sk *" and so on. |
| 19:43.23 | minot | you guys the biggest one is 200G /var |
| 19:43.33 | greycat | Right, cd /var ; du -sk * |
| 19:43.42 | greycat | (or du -sh * if you prefer) |
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| 19:43.54 | greycat | keep digging down until you find the culprit |
| 19:44.12 | Iridos | you just walk down the tree... |
| 19:44.37 | Iridos | I would have said "install the graphical gdmap program"... but that would have been a bit pointless seeing that you have 0 space free |
| 19:44.46 | minot | the biggest one is 200G log |
| 19:45.00 | minot | Is that 200GB of logs? |
| 19:45.07 | greycat | /var/log/ is a directory. Keep digging. |
| 19:45.30 | greycat | Most likely you will find one gigantic file in there. |
| 19:45.35 | Iridos | also... look into the big logfile when you find it and see what error repeats so often |
| 19:46.00 | greycat | When you find it, DON'T just "rm" it. That will likely leave it unlinked but still open and taking up space. |
| 19:46.05 | Iridos | might be 10 big logfiles thanks to logrotate |
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| 19:46.30 | minot | ok the biggest one is 84G syslog followed by 44G kern log |
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| 19:47.15 | greycat | that's completely abnormal |
| 19:47.21 | minot | nano syslog turned my screen blank |
| 19:47.22 | xyxxy | why doesn't the debian 8 live cd allow me to use wifi? |
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| 19:47.32 | greycat | minot: use tail, not an editor |
| 19:47.35 | minot | xyxxy, I think I have the same problem |
| 19:47.58 | minot | there is screen fulls of errors on the screen about some rtlusb not usable or something |
| 19:48.14 | minot | greycat, how do I back out of it |
| 19:48.14 | Iridos | "less" should also be able to handle it if one does ^C to stop line counting (shift-g to go to the end) |
| 19:48.14 | valdyn | xyxxy: the non-free firmware you may need for your wifi adapter is not on that installer |
| 19:48.27 | xyxxy | valdyn, ah, I see. |
| 19:48.30 | minot | ctrl + x didn't work |
| 19:48.50 | valdyn | xyxxy: theres an installer with that firmware included, i think |
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| 19:49.29 | xyxxy | Next question. Uhm, what desktop environment should I use? |
| 19:49.35 | valdyn | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:49.48 | valdyn | xyxxy: whatever you like |
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| 19:51.09 | minot | [72480.807758] rt2800usb 1-7:1.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2 |
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| 19:53.11 | minot | the full error list from tail is at https://gist.github.com/9034725985/6f8c811325cceed0e3b6. |
| 19:53.50 | minot | I think it is the wifi card that's spewing all the errors |
| 19:54.04 | greycat | rt is "RealTek" usually, so yeah. |
| 19:54.10 | minot | but isn't there a max size for logs? |
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| 19:54.35 | greycat | No, Debian uses a very traditional "append to a file" model. |
| 19:54.49 | Iridos | leto, what is that supposed to be? (link?) |
| 19:54.50 | greycat | Especially for kernel stuff like this. |
| 19:55.20 | minot | greycat, what should I do? |
| 19:55.37 | leto | Iridos: 20:36:41 < leto> Hi, I'm facing a bug with my debian ((4.0.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.7-1 (2015-07-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux stretch/sid) installed on a Lenovo X230. Here is a part of my kern.log: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce5f3aba/ How to solve it? |
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| 19:55.45 | greycat | Find the non-free realtek firmware that it wants, get it onto this machine somehow, get it installed somehow. |
| 19:56.03 | greycat | Even if you have to mount /var/log on a removable disk or something to free up space in root temporarily. |
| 19:56.04 | Iridos | leto, I mean that installer image |
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| 19:56.30 | Iridos | minot, install firmware-ralink, that should have rt2870.bin ... |
| 19:56.40 | greycat | although I wonder if killing the rsyslog process would also stop it spamming /var/log/* |
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| 19:56.55 | Iridos | but you'll need a bit of space on the disk for installing that first |
| 19:57.06 | minot | I could delete my /var/www/html |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | minot: no, don't do that |
| 19:57.18 | valdyn | leto: does that firmware exist? is it installed? |
| 19:57.18 | minot | that's pretty much the only thing I put there |
| 19:57.29 | minot | everything else is installed |
| 19:57.33 | minot | I can get it back from github |
| 19:57.36 | greycat | You need to make it stop writing NEW stuff to /var/log/ somehow. Maybe killing rsyslog (or rsyslogd?) will do it, or maybe not. |
| 19:57.41 | minot | ah |
| 19:57.58 | minot | ok so run kill rsyslog ? |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | Otherwise it'll just write more lines to /var/log/kern.log and fill the file system again. |
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| 19:58.11 | Iridos | deleting the log and restarting syslog should give enough time to install it :) |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | minot: pkill rsyslogd |
| 19:58.28 | minot | seems to have worked |
| 19:58.33 | Iridos | err |
| 19:58.34 | leto | Iridos: I used that page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ : "Use netboot "mini.iso" image. You will find it on any of the Debian mirrors under debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-*/current/images/netboot/mini.iso. During the installation choose "Advanced options" -> "Expert install". In the step "Choose a mirror of the Debian archive" choose version "sid - unstable". " |
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| 19:59.53 | greycat | OK. Who is the total idiot who put links to a SID INSTALL IMAGE on an Install FAQ on a wiki on debian.org? |
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| 20:00.20 | Iridos | it's a wiki |
| 20:00.39 | Iridos | which means a) anyone can... b) there should be a history |
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| 20:01.09 | minot | oh wow isn't sid like oldd? |
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| 20:01.28 | centrx | minot, sid is "unstable", bleeding edge/developers |
| 20:01.35 | Brigo | minot, no, too new. |
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| 20:01.47 | minot | newer than jessie? |
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| 20:02.00 | minot | never heard of it so thought it was old |
| 20:02.02 | Brigo | newer than testing, even. |
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| 20:02.07 | Iridos | of course... you could kind of also say it's the oldest debian distribution :P |
| 20:02.19 | minot | oh, it is like nightlies |
| 20:02.38 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ?action=diff&rev2=34&rev1=33 |
| 20:03.02 | minot | witch hunt time! |
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| 20:03.37 | Iridos | nop, already found... time for the witch test ... throw in water, see if floats... if floats, let dry up and burn |
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| 20:05.13 | minot | guys, looks like pkill worked. kern.log is stuck at 45453872 for the last several seconds |
| 20:05.34 | Iridos | err... I thought it's stuck anyway because the disk is full |
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| 20:06.04 | minot | oh, right |
| 20:06.12 | greycat | >filename # to truncate a file |
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| 20:06.59 | Iridos | that doesn't work if the daemon is still running IIRC... the daemon will write at the same seek position again... and you get a file filled with zeroes |
| 20:07.00 | minot | so like syslog and then tab and then # ? |
| 20:07.26 | minot | is it bad to just delete the file with an rm -f? |
| 20:07.36 | minot | I mean I doubt I'll ever look at logs |
| 20:07.41 | minot | It is just a test machine |
| 20:07.47 | leto | when you'll have finished your witch hunt, would you please tell me what should I do? :) |
| 20:08.09 | minot | leto, I think you should revert the edit |
| 20:08.28 | minot | When I use debian, I don't use it for the bleeding edge |
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| 20:08.54 | leto | minot: it means a complete reinstall, isn't it? :/ |
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| 20:09.21 | minot | yeah, just grab the latest netinst iso and put it on a nice flash drive :) |
| 20:09.44 | Iridos | leto, unstable is mostly for hunting bugs in unstable... |
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| 20:10.41 | leto | minot: unfortunately I got used to use bleeding edge with ubuntu |
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| 20:11.13 | leto | Iridos: I've indeed maybe found one bug to hunt :) |
| 20:11.54 | Iridos | leto, that is not unusual... |
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| 20:12.20 | Iridos | leto, stuff gets into testing after it survived in unstable for a couple of weeks without someone reporting major bugs |
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| 20:13.21 | leto | Iridos: I know. But testing was not adviced because of the longer time to get security fixes, I heard |
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| 20:14.13 | Iridos | well... as they say... "there's always something" |
| 20:14.16 | Brigo | leto, then use stable. Anyway, it is just few days, it is not important unless you are running a server. |
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| 20:14.46 | Iridos | depends on the bug |
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| 20:15.14 | leto | Iridos: true, that's why I'm trying to reach the best compromise |
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| 20:15.15 | dashs | Deb 8 systemd rpc.statd and rpc.idmadp do not start (no /run/rpc_pipefs) |
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| 20:15.44 | Iridos | leto, so I think you just found one thing that is not it |
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| 20:17.09 | leto | Iridos: maybe if this bug can't be fixed. Maybe is it easy to fix, that's why I came to irc to find where I could report it. |
| 20:17.17 | Iridos | leto, I like stable... might not be an option for a laptop... but even then, stable + backported kernel might work |
| 20:17.48 | xarragon | Since 'parted' is part of debian installer, can I find 'partprobe' on thee as well? |
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| 20:18.17 | greycat | Right after a release is the *worst* time to try unstable, because that's when all the packages that people have been holding back to make a release happen are shoved in all at once. |
| 20:18.25 | xarragon | I got a GPT on a dm-crypt device and I need Linux to create device nodes for it |
| 20:18.27 | Iridos | leto, there's the "reportbug" program in debian, there's also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that focuses on discussing testing/unstable |
| 20:18.44 | leto | Iridos: I already use stable for an headless server, for a NAS, but for my laptopt I would indeed appreciate to have recent versions of packets |
| 20:18.53 | greycat | !sns |
| 20:18.53 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:19.32 | leto | Iridos: thanks I'll go to #debian-next |
| 20:19.53 | Iridos | greycat, well... you could also say it's the *best* time to install unstable, if you are into hunting bugs... because you only have to throw a brick at the laptop to hit a couple |
| 20:20.00 | Iridos | :D |
| 20:20.04 | xarragon | Hm, actually partman seems to detect it |
| 20:20.09 | xarragon | After I manually set them up |
| 20:20.29 | minot | ok guys so syslog # didn't do anything. yay or nay on rm -f syslog ? |
| 20:20.39 | greycat | minot: use >filename to truncate the file |
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| 20:21.35 | minot | oh wow thank you |
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| 20:22.45 | minot | so now apt-get update should work |
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| 20:24.18 | minot | should I change my sources.list so I can find firmware-ralink? |
| 20:24.19 | xarragon | Can I do the "install base system" step manually? Becuase I partitioned my disks manually but the installer won't let me install unless I do that step. |
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| 20:24.57 | xarragon | Ehr, what I mean is I want an unusal partition setup, it is done and now I want to force the installer to proceed. |
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| 20:25.35 | Brigo | minot, yes, add contrib and non-free after main |
| 20:25.40 | minot | I added contrib and non-free to the first line |
| 20:25.41 | jhutchins | xarragon: If you're using the advanced install, you should be able to do manual partitioning and select existing partitions. |
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| 20:26.13 | xarragon | jhutchins: yes, but it started to add LVM into the mix for some reason. I |
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| 20:26.48 | minot | looks like it worked. I am rebooting |
| 20:27.04 | minot | which means I lost my ssh connection. I hope it worked |
| 20:27.36 | xarragon | jhutchins: I mounted my LUKS container manually, so the partitioner step is missing the corresponding lvm/crypto configs |
| 20:28.11 | xarragon | jhutchins: I guess I could redo it.. I want to avoid LVM inside the dm-crypt/luks container and just use a GPT |
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| 20:29.17 | xarragon | jhutchins: Okay that solved itself by just ignoring whatever was in the list and pressing "proceed". |
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| 20:29.27 | xarragon | jhutchins: Since it was not writing anything |
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| 20:39.28 | ihsw | hi, having some mount issues. |
| 20:39.32 | minot | when I do sudo service --status-all what does a minus sign next to apache2 mean? |
| 20:40.44 | ihsw | minot: means it's off. |
| 20:41.19 | minot | ah |
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| 20:44.27 | minot | good times, I reboot the machine. apache2 works. I do service apache2 restart then apache2 refuses to wake up |
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| 20:45.45 | greycat | what does the apache2 error log say? |
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| 20:50.51 | minot | greycat, that was my fault |
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| 20:58.35 | xarragon | So is there any way to ask debian installer to load a specific component? Like, say, the efi boot manager? |
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| 21:00.26 | Brigo | xarragon, advanced install, i think. |
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| 21:02.04 | xarragon | Brigo: Yeah there is a list there.. But there must be a bunch of modules somewhere and a command to execute |
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| 21:03.13 | Brigo | xarragon, that i don't know, anyway there is a log window crtr+F5, i think, and may be you can find the information there. |
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| 21:03.36 | xarragon | Brigo: Oh, sweet, thanks! |
| 21:03.43 | Brigo | xarragon, yw :) |
| 21:04.46 | xarragon | Seems like sometyhing called 'anna' is doing the loading |
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| 21:06.08 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:06.34 | crised | hi, is there a Amazon Machine Image for latest debian? |
| 21:06.38 | crised | latest stable |
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| 21:07.15 | Brigo | nebbia, configuring its configuration file. |
| 21:07.22 | crised | debian-jessie-amd64-hvm-2015-04-25-23-22-ebs - ami-02724d1f debian-jessie-amd64-hvm-2015-06-07-12-27-ebs - ami-02b78e1f which one to pick...? |
| 21:07.22 | crised | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.30 | somiaj | crised: I belive so, but I'm not sure which one it is. Look for the creater 'debian', I recall seeing one that looks offical. |
| 21:07.59 | crised | somiaj: so it's not Community AMI |
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| 21:08.49 | somiaj | they just look like different dates but similar, most likely only security updates between the two. You'll want to cofnigure/update it yourself so the base shouldn't matter |
| 21:08.50 | xarragon | Yep, anna-install is for loading udebs acc. to alioth debian installer wiki |
| 21:09.09 | somiaj | crised: I would be unsure of any configuration/package differences. But either would work. the newer one requers less updates |
| 21:09.25 | crised | somiaj: https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00WUNJIEE/ref=sp_mpg_product_title?ie=UTF8&sr=0-2 |
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| 21:11.13 | xanthippe | I added a https sources.list entry (after installing the https-transport package) and now I'm getting this error: Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl on apt-get update....any idea what's causing this? |
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| 21:28.10 | xarragon | Seems like the Linux kernel does not really like a dm-crypt container without an LVM inside |
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| 21:31.36 | xarragon | At boot time it keeps scanning for lvm stuff.. Hmm. Wait, it should have prompted for a passphrase first |
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| 21:34.17 | xarragon | So when my system boots and is looking for the UUID of the main encrypted volume.. Is that governed by the EFI boot parameters or something magical inside initrd? |
| 21:34.42 | xarragon | Because right now it is looking for an earlier UUID, and I have not updated my initrd imaghe since the reinstall |
| 21:34.49 | p0wersploit | well it isin the boot parameters |
| 21:35.02 | p0wersploit | and if its wrong it might say something about magic numbers |
| 21:35.03 | p0wersploit | :P |
| 21:35.13 | p0wersploit | yes it is inside boot params |
| 21:35.35 | xarragon | Sorry, I forgot.. I am booting with just EFI Stub, so no grub |
| 21:35.57 | xarragon | But I added cryptdevice=UUID=<uuid> to the EFI boot params |
| 21:36.08 | p0wersploit | Ah. |
| 21:36.11 | p0wersploit | I don't know :( |
| 21:36.19 | p0wersploit | Only used grub, but it needs correct boot params |
| 21:36.22 | p0wersploit | UUID |
| 21:36.23 | xarragon | Yeah it is not exactly 'supported vanilla debian' any longer. |
| 21:36.28 | p0wersploit | I assume your's does too |
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| 21:36.40 | p0wersploit | I'm using efi too but...it's with grub :P |
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| 21:36.59 | p0wersploit | I know when I totally failed and didn't do grub mkconfig during installation |
| 21:37.05 | p0wersploit | it said magic numbers blah blah |
| 21:37.17 | p0wersploit | but that was a retarded mistake of mine |
| 21:37.24 | p0wersploit | The UUID does need to match to boot |
| 21:37.59 | xarragon | Yeah, but I am kinda tired of this daisy-chaining of bootloaders. We got rid of BIOS for a reason, we got a horrible complicated mess as a replacement, probably with hardware backdooring and future lock-in mandated.. At least it should be able to boot without a whole set of stepladders |
| 21:38.23 | p0wersploit | Most certainly/ |
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| 21:38.31 | p0wersploit | I agree |
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| 21:38.42 | xarragon | Nice that debian comes with EFIStub compiled in though. |
| 21:38.51 | xarragon | I have gotten it to boot earlier today |
| 21:38.58 | p0wersploit | I'm on Arch :P |
| 21:39.07 | p0wersploit | Is that the same as "bios boot"? |
| 21:39.14 | xarragon | Aha! That is what I needed WFIStub for. |
| 21:39.15 | p0wersploit | Not heard of what you're talking about |
| 21:39.15 | jhutchins | !arch |
| 21:39.15 | dpkg | somebody said arch was a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
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| 21:39.28 | jhutchins | !arch linux |
| 21:39.28 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:39.44 | p0wersploit | lol what was that for? |
| 21:39.59 | xarragon | p0wersploit: I am putting Arch Linux on my ASUS G751 EFI system; that is the whole reason I need to know EFI better. |
| 21:40.06 | p0wersploit | Ah gotcha :) |
| 21:40.14 | jhutchins | p0wersploit: You are not running Debian. |
| 21:40.26 | jhutchins | p0wersploit: mkconfig has nothing to do with grub in debian. |
| 21:40.28 | p0wersploit | I have run it many times? |
| 21:40.33 | p0wersploit | I know how to use it? |
| 21:40.38 | p0wersploit | Oh fine be a snob :P |
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| 21:40.56 | jhutchins | It's not snobbery, they're different. |
| 21:41.21 | xarragon | So okay, how does initrd gets made during installation? |
| 21:42.01 | xarragon | https://wiki.debian.org/Initrd <- I'll read here |
| 21:42.14 | jhutchins | xarragon: I think the installer uses dracut. |
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| 21:42.29 | jhutchins | xarragon: That or it runs mkinitrd. |
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| 21:43.13 | xarragon | Because an initrd is not generic, right? It gets tailored to the system? |
| 21:43.45 | jhutchins | xarragon: Right. |
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| 21:44.40 | jhutchins | xarragon: It has any drivers necessary for the system to boot and read the main filesystem. |
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| 21:45.37 | xarragon | The expert installer allows you to select the drivers to make a slimmed down initrd if I am not mistaken |
| 21:46.08 | xarragon | So basically it was a bad idea to skip reinstalling the kernel and initrd.. Hm |
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| 21:48.20 | jhutchins | xarragon: UEFI has been around for years, some of the IBM big iron uses it. |
| 21:48.29 | jhutchins | xarragon: systemd on the other hand... |
| 21:49.42 | c0fe | Doesn't RHEL have some UEFI certificate? |
| 21:50.40 | xarragon | jhutchins: Are we allowed to mention that by name? |
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| 21:51.34 | xarragon | jhutchins: Because when I asked in #archlinux whether anyone could point out how systemd simplified the maintainer's work I got flamed like never before. |
| 21:52.06 | xarragon | "First rule of systemd: Don't ever question systemd." |
| 21:52.36 | c0fe | well archlinux tend to flame everyone for everything |
| 21:53.12 | c0fe | i asked what is the benefit of arch between debian ubuntu, centos and literally got an answer of "if you have to ask then fuck off" |
| 21:53.36 | xarragon | It's weird, it never used to be like that. I was using it back in the days when it was a really small distro that a few people keps repos on DSL lines for.. |
| 21:54.10 | acz32 | i installed debian and then did apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop, but later removed the login manager (kdm) so i could use startx. but when i try it says command not found, even though i created a .xinitrc |
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| 21:55.48 | c0fe | xarragon: the only thing i like about their distro is that it keeps the header files together. Beyond that I found nothing else. I have managed to keep a very lightweight system using debian and a lightweight DE |
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| 21:56.40 | mtn_ | acz32, you can use apt-file to see which package has startx in it |
| 21:57.03 | mtn_ | acz32, you can also use the debian packages website to do so |
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| 21:57.43 | jaybe | `dpkg -S `which who` |
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| 21:58.07 | c0fe | i do wish that debian had an online tool to create your own custom distro like opensuse does |
| 21:58.08 | acz32 | ok looks like the xinit package |
| 21:58.11 | c0fe | specifically the arm distro |
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| 22:00.13 | xarragon | c0fe: For me it is the fact that it works really well for "bleeding edge". I can usually buy a brand new nvidia card and throw it inside and have everything working, running steam with modern games and everything. |
| 22:01.04 | xarragon | c0fe: I have tried debian unstable for that but it has always burnt me. But I am not much for doing things the "proper" way, I tend to hack a bit.. But that has changed a lot over the last few years, maybe I should try unstable again. |
| 22:01.20 | c0fe | xarragon: have you tried fedora? |
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| 22:02.07 | xarragon | Only occasionally. |
| 22:02.35 | c0fe | i for whatever reaosn like that for bleeding edge |
| 22:03.01 | xarragon | Also, the Arch wiki is awesome, it is never a problem to tweak the system in whatever way you want or change things. I like that, it makes me play around and learn stuff naturally. |
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| 22:03.37 | xarragon | c0fe: Well, maybe it's because that hat has a bleeding edge, like Oddjob's hat? |
| 22:04.13 | xarragon | I mean, that arch also looks pretty sharp. But the debian.. spiral should also cut, if you pardon the pun |
| 22:04.39 | xarragon | wait.. I forgot something, brain is offlining |
| 22:05.09 | xarragon | pass the cut, cut the mustard or whateer the expression is. I am not a native english speaker. |
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| 22:06.23 | c0fe | xarragon: lol i have no idea what you meant. Fedora has a lot of new stuff, including wayland which is what I really like |
| 22:06.44 | c0fe | xarragon: it is also pretty great in terms of support. i was going ot try arch but the whole "fuck off" thing made me think differently |
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| 22:10.55 | xarragon | c0fe: Right, I need to try that 3D stuff now when I have a modern laptop again |
| 22:11.23 | xarragon | I ran that cube thingamajig back when it was cool and fresh, onmy 10 year old X41 thinkpad. |
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| 22:12.06 | xarragon | It had some potential actually, have not seen much since. Newer Intel cards probably handles it well |
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| 22:14.35 | Cerpin | Yay old thinkpads |
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| 22:25.57 | xarragon | Seems like my initrd has some hardcoded uuid's in it |
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| 22:44.38 | xarragon | So.. to get a new initrd into my EFI partition.. Rescue mode? |
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| 22:48.21 | c0fe | xarragon: i think so |
| 22:48.54 | xarragon | will ned to fulgymount that arch linux usb stick which has partprobe on it though |
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| 22:49.26 | xarragon | Once in rescue mode I mount the root, the do dpkg-reconfigure linux-kernel-whatevah |
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| 22:50.56 | c0fe | let me ask you why are you trying to do this xarragon? |
| 22:51.01 | c0fe | cause i have never needed to do this |
| 22:51.03 | c0fe | ever |
| 22:51.18 | xarragon | No it is more of a test/play thing |
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| 22:51.37 | c0fe | i see xarragon |
| 22:51.41 | xarragon | Essentially I am testing how feasible it is to run a dm-crypt container with LVM inside |
| 22:51.43 | c0fe | is glad he has windows to play games |
| 22:51.52 | xarragon | without* |
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| 22:54.21 | c0fe | xarragon: what do you want to use instead of LVM? |
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| 22:56.09 | c0fe | is freenode getting DOSed again? |
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| 22:56.32 | xarragon | omfg, and the arch iso is like some fscking recursive disk image thing |
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| 22:56.56 | xarragon | because god help us we cant have a regular partition |
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| 22:57.39 | c0fe | xarragon: what do you intend to use instead of LVM? |
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| 22:57.47 | xarragon | a gpt |
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| 22:58.02 | xarragon | Just treat the dm-crypt device as if it was a raw disk |
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| 22:58.30 | LV-426 | trying to get 'lsb_release -a' (v4.1) to respond with 'Release: unstable', but despite /etc/debian_version being set to 'unstable' I'm getting seeing 8.1/jessie - anything else involved? |
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| 22:58.38 | xarragon | It actually works. I tried it on a disk image first, and arch linux has no trouble handling /dev/mapper/luks1, 2 etc. |
| 22:58.57 | xarragon | But the debian installer won't rescan the partitions after the dm-crypt device is unlocked. |
| 22:59.09 | c0fe | xarragon: it should be a fairly simplistic thing if you don't want to group them or break them into different partitions |
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| 22:59.35 | c0fe | xarragon: but then again why removing LVM is necessary :P |
| 22:59.37 | xarragon | c0fe: Just want a /home, / and swap |
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| 23:00.06 | xarragon | First of all LVM is supposedly bad news if you need to do recovery |
| 23:00.30 | xarragon | Second of all it is kind of a PITA to mount it.. |
| 23:00.56 | xarragon | Just look at all the extra hoops on the EFI boot command line to dictate what actual device you should use. |
| 23:01.21 | xarragon | And I think the debian installer created a separate volume group for each partition, which made even less sense |
| 23:01.46 | xarragon | I just created one volume group with 3 logical partitions in it |
| 23:01.51 | asdrubal555 | how is this people getting so cool terminal theme http://tmux.github.io/ss-tmux4.png ???is there a program i have to install or what ??how do you set such color scheme ? |
| 23:02.00 | c0fe | xarragon: never heard of that |
| 23:02.44 | xarragon | c0fe: The volume group thing? |
| 23:02.54 | xarragon | c0fe: Yeha that MIGHT have been my own stupid self. |
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| 23:05.27 | xarragon | So if I run partman I can see my encrypted partitions |
| 23:05.38 | xarragon | But the rescue setup wont let me choose them |
| 23:05.46 | xarragon | It does not even list them |
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| 23:07.24 | xarragon | And I cant see them under /dev/mapper/ |
| 23:07.36 | xarragon | But when partman runs by itself it lists them |
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| 23:09.23 | lkzone | Hi all |
| 23:10.13 | lkzone | how I limit by time the ACK packages in iptables ? |
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| 23:17.45 | xarragon | So.. I can not mount loopback block devices in the installer environemnt? |
| 23:18.54 | xarragon | *sigh* no losetup |
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| 23:19.37 | xarragon | ok i dont have time for this |
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| 23:19.53 | xarragon | I really feel limited by debian installer |
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| 23:33.02 | Peleus | Anyone recommend a virtual machine manager that I can run just from the command line? obv running debian |
| 23:33.56 | CissWit | Peleus: virtualbox, libvirt, qemu |
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| 23:34.19 | CissWit | xen |
| 23:34.24 | xarragon | FFS it wont even let me proceed without a separate unencrypted /boot |
| 23:34.44 | CissWit | xarragon: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 23:37.26 | xarragon | CissWit: I use EFIStub and just boot off.. ah wait, I can just designate the EFI area as boot? |
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| 23:39.17 | CissWit | yeah i don't think this is supported by the installer |
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| 23:40.47 | rhizome | hi all. how do i get rid of avahi once and for all? update-rc.d didn't do it. |
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| 23:42.14 | xarragon | Hm.. seems like I actually got to set up multiple partitions inside the dmcrypt container |
| 23:42.27 | xarragon | without requiring lvm |
| 23:42.31 | xarragon | But I am not sure |
| 23:42.51 | xarragon | The partitioning tool in debian installer is a strange mistress |
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| 23:45.18 | rhizome | detect_local=0 and avahi still starts up |
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| 23:46.24 | LV-426 | for anyone interested, lsb_release relies on the output of 'apt-cache policy', which in turn is affected by apt sources.list files. removing these (temporarily) yields the correct release when /etc/debian_version & sources.list disagree. |
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| 23:49.11 | rhizome | sudo apt-get remove avahi-daemon |
| 23:49.31 | rhizome | is apparenly my only recourse. at least it's no longer running |
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