| 00:00.06 | telmac | anyway can you flash the bios? |
| 00:00.19 | StevenDale | it's uefi, there's no bios mode either |
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| 00:00.46 | StevenDale | but yes, there's a flashing tool built into the UEFI Firmware settings |
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| 00:01.20 | telmac | so why can't you flash coreboot etc.? |
| 00:01.30 | StevenDale | what's coreboot? |
| 00:01.55 | telmac | http://www.coreboot.org/ |
| 00:02.12 | StevenDale | looks fishy |
| 00:02.28 | baum | the whole point of coreboot is that you can flash it? |
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| 00:02.34 | baum | or did i get that wrong? |
| 00:03.15 | telmac | fishy how? |
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| 00:05.16 | OuaisMaisNon | hey all, did anyone could wine QuakeLive on deb ? |
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| 00:15.19 | MarcW | is swap encrypted by default on Debian if I chose full disk encryption? |
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| 00:18.21 | epsilon | I'm not sure, run fdisk -l |
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| 00:19.52 | abrotman | MarcW: one would think so .. it's on the disk |
| 00:24.31 | MarcW | epsilon, abrotman: I've this http://pastebin.com/RGqBMm2N |
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| 00:35.21 | JTen | Hey guys, getting a firmware issue with my wifi NIC. Any recommendations for '[ 1301.602246] brcmsmac bcma0:1: Direct firmware load for brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw failed with error -2 |
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| 00:36.10 | JTen | I tried the firmware-b43-installer but it failed to install because of an unsupported device :( |
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| 00:39.29 | JTen | lspci -k says my wifi NIC is currently using the bcma-pci-bridge module, but when I try to ip link set up I get a firmware error: 'no such file or directory'. |
| 00:42.07 | JTen | Anyone? Any recommendations? |
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| 01:01.53 | Emery | I'm using wheezy, I have an issue with Flash, I have to remove it and re-install with apt everytime I restart my browser, and even then it doesn't load all flash related things (i.e twitch). Any ideas? |
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| 01:03.31 | abrotman | how are you installing it? |
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| 01:04.39 | Emery | apt |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | have you run update-flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 01:05.40 | Emery | yup |
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| 01:09.16 | Emery | also google chrome doesn't start |
| 01:09.28 | Emery | and when i do google-chrome in terminal, i don't even get an error |
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| 01:59.59 | MarcW | abrotman: did you take a look at my pastebin? :) |
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| 02:04.12 | abrotman | says removed |
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| 02:07.49 | MarcW | abrotman: my bad, http://pastebin.com/N9AsWdza |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | shows your swap on the encrypted volume |
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| 02:16.39 | lostmonk | I load the live dvd and it is unable to connect to my wireless in order to install |
| 02:16.52 | lostmonk | yet, it finds the networks. Any ideas on what I can try? |
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| 02:28.34 | nesti | sup |
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| 02:34.50 | lostmonk | so, how can you install if you need a non-free wireless driver? |
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| 02:37.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lostmonk about firmware netinst |
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| 02:37.42 | lostmonk | thanks |
| 02:37.53 | moobase | dm-crypted mounted secondary harddisk. Has about ~10 files I'm not using or accessing in any way (afaik). Not in a file manager, console or anything. Fresh debian install. The disk is however periodically being accessed which spins it up, what and why? kworker and jdb2 is doing the most io on my system. Why would jdb2 "journal" the disk that I'm not even using? |
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| 02:38.35 | shibly | How can i create shortcut icon for gnome-terminal on desktop of gnome-3 ? |
| 02:38.50 | lostmonk | abrotman, so use this iso instead of the live correct? |
| 02:43.56 | shibly | lostmonk: Which iso? |
| 02:44.08 | lostmonk | the netinstall with the firmware |
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| 02:46.13 | MarcW | abrotman: thats true, it actually shows that its under encryted volume, however if I do "sudo cryptsetup status /dev/mapper/enermax--vg-swap_ 1" I get nothing |
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| 02:46.54 | telmac | how can I see a list of packages I've installed, specifically ones I installed that did not get pulled in as dependencies and did not got installed initially |
| 02:47.17 | MarcW | abrotman: if I do "sudo cryptsetup status /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt" then I get correct info regarding encryption method use etc. |
| 02:47.36 | SLed | How do I start up with gui instead of cli, I accidently installed cli only on my machine yesterday |
| 02:47.55 | MarcW | SLed: startx |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | dpkg: tell telmac about installed |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | MarcW: It looks fineto me |
| 02:49.01 | SLed | MarcW: How do I seet it as default afterwards so when I turn on the computer it will be gui |
| 02:49.11 | abrotman | SLed: install a DM |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell SLed about dm |
| 02:49.23 | shibly | Can anyone answer my question? |
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| 02:49.31 | shibly | How can i create shortcut icon for gnome-terminal on desktop of gnome-3 ? |
| 02:49.36 | shibly | debian jessie |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | shibly: did you enable icons on your desktop for gnome? |
| 02:49.59 | SLed | abrotman: I installed gnome 3 |
| 02:50.15 | SLed | abrotman: earlier today |
| 02:50.34 | shibly | abrotman: Yes from gnome-tweak-tool. |
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| 02:52.52 | telmac | abrotman: distinct from just installed packages |
| 02:52.58 | telmac | packages /I installed/ |
| 02:53.38 | shibly | Is there any package to create desktop icons from Applications> ? |
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| 02:53.53 | abrotman | shibly: cd ~/Desktop/, create a symlink |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | SLed: so install gdm3 |
| 02:54.30 | factor | Anyone know why wifi connections timeout in 3.16 kernels. Maybe other kernels but not tested. |
| 02:54.50 | factor | I keep loosing connections. have usbcore set to not suspend |
| 02:55.05 | shibly | abrotman: symlink to what? |
| 02:55.11 | SLed | abrotman: I did I am trying to run it at start up |
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| 02:59.56 | factor | What are some good debug tools for wireless connections. Low level. |
| 03:00.10 | shibly | abrotman: ? |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | shibly: this isn't hard ... ln -s $(which gnome-terminal) ~/Desktop/gnome-terminal |
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| 03:05.01 | shibly | abrotman: That is not a shortcut icon of gnome-terminal |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:06.10 | shibly | Where can i find all icons of applications |
| 03:06.14 | shibly | ? |
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| 03:59.01 | factor | Where is the wpa_supplicant.conf file located. I need to turn on logs , but does not seem to be located in Debian 8 etc directory. |
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| 04:03.10 | somiaj | factor: there is an example one located in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
| 04:03.30 | somiaj | factor: but by default you have to configure it yourself. What do you need the logs for |
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| 04:03.34 | factor | somiaj: Right, but where is it suppose to be. |
| 04:04.05 | somiaj | factor: /etc/wpasupplicant or something like that is default, but it really depends. How are you running wpa-supplicant |
| 04:04.10 | factor | My connection is dieing off. Not moving , shoudl be ok, |
| 04:04.34 | factor | I can be really lcose and it still dies off. |
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| 04:07.33 | Guest87508 | Is there a channel for suggesting essential packages to be included in live debian iso dvd? |
| 04:11.00 | somiaj | Guest87508: there is a channel for Debian Live on oftc.net, you can look up the actual name on the wiki |
| 04:12.02 | Guest87508 | Thanks somiaj |
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| 04:15.34 | somiaj | Guest87508: I also think SynrGy is part of the debian live team. I woudln't ask him a question directly, but I'm just hilighting his name for when he sees this. |
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| 04:17.10 | KingEdgar | I connected or reconnected my usb microphone |
| 04:17.16 | KingEdgar | it shows up under pavucontrol |
| 04:17.25 | KingEdgar | as 'Blue Snowball' |
| 04:17.40 | KingEdgar | under configuration when i go under input there is nothing |
| 04:17.51 | KingEdgar | :/ and alsamixer shows that there are not options for this device |
| 04:17.57 | KingEdgar | what the heck is going on with my mic? |
| 04:17.59 | KingEdgar | ._. |
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| 04:18.57 | KingEdgar | it was more or less working before this |
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| 04:23.30 | KingEdgar | bleh i am just going to restart my pc |
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| 04:29.22 | moobase | okay.. so the process systemd-journald is waking up my sencondary idling disk /dev/sdb whole the time. What business does it have with a sleeping disk im not using? |
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| 04:31.26 | Rusty1 | theres also #systemd moobase , whilst you wait here |
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| 04:31.50 | moobase | kty |
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| 04:43.03 | moobase | lol, why is the task bar always at the top instead of the bottom in linux? |
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| 04:54.44 | fennesz | Hello guys I have currently installed cinnamon on debian . From where do I configure hdparm ? |
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| 05:28.18 | knivsta | hi |
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| 05:30.16 | Pixer | hey folks. "Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall)" |
| 05:30.22 | Pixer | what's that mean? |
| 05:30.32 | Pixer | in irssi, during xdcc send. |
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| 05:50.09 | BeRoots | Hi :) |
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| 05:52.37 | ochiottes | Mr BeRoots ReBoots |
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| 05:52.53 | ochiottes | Good morning, beautiful people of #d-o |
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| 05:54.21 | moobase | is there a keyboard shortcut for "pasting" marked text instead of clicking the middle mouse button? |
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| 05:56.50 | ochiottes | CTRL+V |
| 05:57.11 | moobase | How do I find out what's causing this? (it's waking my disk up all the time) http://pastebin.com/xCL9PhUX |
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| 05:59.08 | telmac | moobase: in a terminal? |
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| 06:00.55 | ochiottes | moobase: WHich distro are you running? |
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| 06:01.56 | moobase | ochiottes: debian :3 |
| 06:02.04 | ochiottes | yes, in a terminal it's SHIFT+CTRL+V |
| 06:03.21 | ochiottes | moobase: then ask in #debian, this is the offtopic channel. Here we talk about kittens, dragons and cake |
| 06:03.35 | ochiottes | oops |
| 06:03.39 | ochiottes | bye :) |
| 06:03.50 | telmac | ochiottes: that must be specific to your term |
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| 06:04.18 | asarch | Is there any way to get the log of the current installation process in Synaptic? |
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| 06:05.37 | telmac | there should be some sort of "more info" or "advanced" button |
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| 06:06.13 | asarch | I mean, in /var/log? |
| 06:06.57 | asarch | Just to cancel and save the current operation to restore it another day |
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| 06:07.54 | telmac | well you can just cancel it and try again later |
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| 06:08.17 | telmac | the log won't help you restart it halfway... |
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| 06:09.50 | asarch | Or in the case of a power failure... |
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| 06:19.43 | BeRoots | I would like to build a personal debian version with live-build for a live desktop system with possibility to install it and all self dependencies are on the usb live version. I would like to have a quick launch menu at boot for select live usage or install (locally with sources on usb) this distib. I ask me for undestand how to make this. I have a question: is it possible to use the chroot... |
| 06:19.44 | BeRoots | ...dir of a build version build by live-build for chroot on this and execute command like apt-get install in the chroot and after rebuild only the .iso file and update the build environement ? |
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| 06:35.23 | Pixer | isn't there some scraping tools like media-companion and renaming tools like therenamer for organising media libraries for xbmc in debian? |
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| 06:46.47 | lewis | anyone familiar with ssh tunneling |
| 06:46.47 | lewis | I sshed to my server, set up my network sock5 to localhost and corresponding ssh port/ however when i browse it still show my ip |
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| 06:48.04 | moobase | so.. dbus is constantly scanning for new devices? (it's waking my sdb up) |
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| 07:20.53 | somiaj | BeRoots: check out the documentation at live.debian.net. I am unsure if there is a direct way to turn a chroot into the live system, but it can be used. The live system preferes to store things in packages (less space) I belive so what you do is give it a package list along with customization. Here is some info on the customization part if you are wanting more than to just generate a package list. ... |
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| 07:20.59 | somiaj | ... http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-contents.en.html |
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| 07:29.17 | BeRoots | thank you somiaj ;) |
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| 07:31.22 | marlun | I've just tried installing Debian 8.1 on a Macbook Pro from Mid 2010 and installation went well but now when it tries to boot just after GRUB the screen goes black except for a small line like an underscore in the top left corner. |
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| 07:33.07 | moobase | I don't get it.. is udev a part of the kernel or not? Also, is it udev that create/deletes files in /dev/*? |
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| 07:36.29 | somiaj | marlun: you installed in efi mode correct? I think for some reason on some of those system you have to copy/move the .efi file from grub.efi to BOOT.efi or something like that (I don't know much about mac's I just recall hearing something about how they look for a very paticular .efi file) |
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| 07:36.54 | somiaj | moobase: udev uses features of the kernel, but is not part of the kernel (it is actually now a part of systemd) |
| 07:37.23 | somiaj | moobase: udev creates a tmpfs at /dev and manages the devices and hotplug, and various events that get trigger when devices are added/removed. |
| 07:38.07 | marlun | somiaj: No idea what you're talking about :) I moved a network install image to a USB and booted from it and installed debian :) Will search for efi mode and see if I can find something, thanks! :) |
| 07:38.13 | moobase | is udev in user space? |
| 07:38.14 | marlun | (sorry about all the smiley) |
| 07:38.16 | somiaj | marlun: I would double check the wiki, they seem to have good info about installing on mac hardware (though it changes from generation to generation |
| 07:38.54 | somiaj | moobase: correct, it is a program that gets run and manages /dev from user space. |
| 07:39.26 | marlun | somiaj: I've found some site talking about a similar problem talking about graphics card problems. If I try to start in recovery mode a line about "nouveau" is the last line before the booting stops. |
| 07:39.45 | somiaj | marlun: I belive macs use efi mode. If you look at your partition table you should see a small efi partition that uses fat file system. I think you just need to copy grub64.efi to BOOT.efi, but let me check the wiki. |
| 07:40.01 | somiaj | marlun: yea I have seen that issue too. |
| 07:40.20 | somiaj | marlun: which device do you have, macbook, or something else? |
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| 07:41.38 | marlun | Macbook Pro Mid 2010. I read http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/842 and addded nvidia.modeset=0 after "quiet" in the grub command line and now it booted :) |
| 07:41.51 | moobase | so.. let's say that I rm -f udev. Now, I create a tmpfs called /dev. I'm going to by hand do what udev did. What set of tools do I use/man here? |
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| 07:42.20 | somiaj | marlun: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro |
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| 07:43.08 | somiaj | moobase: I don't know how to avoid using udev these days. Since debian swithced to udev I have not dealt with manually adding my device nodes to /dev |
| 07:43.46 | somiaj | moobase: also with they way udev is now integrated with systemd and dbus, I think you want it there. What is it you are trying to achive? You should try to achive that within the confines of udev. |
| 07:44.19 | moobase | somiaj: it's not for practical reasons. Just learning about linux. |
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| 07:44.34 | moobase | "adding device nodes". thanks :). Got something to google |
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| 07:44.40 | moobase | that's what I was looking for |
| 07:45.19 | in10s | Hello! My debian server crashed and one drive of my raid1 failed. Any ideas why it crashed? Shouldnt a failed drive be ok in a Raid1? |
| 07:45.20 | somiaj | moobase: ahh. Maybe grab a lenny (or maybe lenny was the first release with udev) image and install it in a virutal machine if you want a pre udev exerpience. But I don't think it will be easy to stop/remove udev from the current debian |
| 07:45.58 | somiaj | moobase: use to be a /dev/MAKEDEV script that would do it for you since having to look up the numbers for the nodes was a pain. Also if you want to learn how to just do it with udev, look into creating udev rules. https://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 07:46.14 | somiaj | moobase: with udev rules you can configure which devices get auto detected and what is doen with them. |
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| 07:48.27 | moobase | thanks :) |
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| 07:51.29 | moobase | is udev essentially using mknod? |
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| 07:58.56 | valdyn | moobase: of course |
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| 07:59.48 | si_kabayan | How do i use apt-listbugs? |
| 08:00.12 | si_kabayan | I have bug number, but don't know how to check it |
| 08:00.28 | si_kabayan | apt-listbugs -B #764693 won't work |
| 08:00.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/764693 in modem-manager-gui (forwarded): «modem-manager-gui: crash on NULL strings»; severity: important; opened: 2014-10-10; last modified: 2015-06-29. |
| 08:00.32 | valdyn | si_kabayan: http://bugs.debian.org/<number> |
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| 08:01.23 | si_kabayan | valdyn: will try |
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| 08:02.00 | iongraphix | I am trying to build a visual query formulation framework for neo4j. Something like a Query builder for neo4j. I was hoping I could get some advice from the clan |
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| 08:02.43 | bazhang | the clan? |
| 08:03.03 | Amun_Ra | si_kabayan: apt-listbugs is called on apt-get upgrade |
| 08:03.04 | iongraphix | #debian |
| 08:03.18 | iongraphix | the clan = #debian |
| 08:03.35 | bazhang | iongraphix, you crossposted this in many channels , are they part of the clan too |
| 08:04.21 | moobase | It requires a huge amount of man hours to keep a distro running. So I'll assume to begin with that there are A LOT of people working on these projects. From the distro teams point of view, how much work per day is put into keeping it running? |
| 08:04.41 | valdyn | moobase: no one knows |
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| 08:05.24 | iongraphix | lol. can u help? anyway you can :) |
| 08:05.51 | valdyn | iongraphix: wrong channel |
| 08:05.55 | bazhang | iongraphix, .msg alis list neo4j |
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| 08:06.13 | bazhang | iongraphix, /msg alis to find a channel that fits your clan |
| 08:07.30 | iongraphix | tried but seems they are all asleep. anyways thanks for your time. Honestly i am grateful. :) |
| 08:08.11 | moobase | valdyn: you can't prove a negative |
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| 08:09.13 | valdyn | moobase: you dont need a proof to know |
| 08:10.26 | Amun_Ra | uhm, you do |
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| 08:11.08 | Amun_Ra | generally speaking; in case of how much work per day is put into keeping distro running - there is no fixed amount |
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| 08:13.34 | randomuser111 | why are the virtual box guest additions in non-free? I thought they were gpl |
| 08:13.45 | valdyn | moobase: https://wiki.debian.org/Statistics |
| 08:15.13 | valdyn | judd: versions virtualbox-guest-additions-iso |
| 08:15.15 | judd | Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; stretch/non-free: 4.3.28-1; sid/non-free: 4.3.28-1 |
| 08:16.25 | randomuser111 | but why? |
| 08:17.00 | valdyn | randomuser111: there is obviously free and non-free parts in there |
| 08:17.25 | valdyn | randomuser111: are you certain that the windows guest additions are free? |
| 08:18.02 | randomuser111 | non-free because of licensing or closed source components? |
| 08:18.24 | valdyn | randomuser111: whatever |
| 08:19.07 | randomuser111 | how is windows related? its meant to be installed on debian guests |
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| 08:19.18 | valdyn | randomuser111: no |
| 08:19.32 | Amun_Ra | randomuser111: virtualbox guest addition license is https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL |
| 08:19.41 | valdyn | randomuser111: thats an iso image containing software for Linux, Solaris and Windows |
| 08:19.59 | Amun_Ra | randomuser111: non-free == nonGPL |
| 08:20.26 | Amun_Ra | I mean non DFSG |
| 08:21.01 | Amun_Ra | randomuser111: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html |
| 08:21.20 | randomuser111 | ah, thanks. So if I install this package on debian I won't be running closed source software? |
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| 08:21.57 | Amun_Ra | nope |
| 08:22.09 | randomuser111 | thank you |
| 08:22.36 | Amun_Ra | you install it on host, but you really use it on virtual nodes |
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| 08:34.04 | knivsta | hi |
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| 08:51.05 | DoctorD90 | good morning. I have a little question regarding openssl. i run debian on my server. i have read of openssl security update of 9july....im running aptget.update, but it doesnt find anything. How may update it? im wrong something? tgx |
| 08:51.07 | DoctorD90 | thx* |
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| 09:01.16 | jmd | Which package provides xdvi ? |
| 09:03.15 | Amun_Ra | jmd: a) apt-file search bin/xdvi b) packages.debian.org and search package contents |
| 09:03.48 | DoctorD90 | Amun_Ra: sorry, any tips for my issue? |
| 09:04.47 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: depends, sometimes security issue isn't related with the version of package used in given distribution |
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| 09:05.09 | Amun_Ra | DeaDSouL: what's your sources.list contents? |
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| 09:06.15 | DoctorD90 | i use as repo stable, and main for package repo, and main contrib non-free for updates and security fixes |
| 09:06.20 | DoctorD90 | but nothing |
| 09:06.39 | DoctorD90 | lol, answred :P |
| 09:07.02 | Amun_Ra | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:07.03 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17; jessie: 1.0.1k-3; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.2d-1; sid: 1.0.2d-1 |
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| 09:07.14 | Amun_Ra | ,v libssl0.9.8 |
| 09:07.15 | judd | Package: libssl0.9.8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze21 |
| 09:07.24 | DoctorD90 | im using jessie |
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| 09:07.49 | Amun_Ra | so 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1 is the latest |
| 09:08.33 | DoctorD90 | just a moment... |
| 09:09.05 | valdyn | DoctorD90: debians package is probably not affected |
| 09:09.26 | DoctorD90 | openSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015 |
| 09:10.34 | DoctorD90 | eh, but strange things is that latest is 1.0.1k-3, i have 1.0.1k and it doesnt want to update :P |
| 09:11.18 | valdyn | DoctorD90: how are you checking that version? |
| 09:11.29 | DoctorD90 | openssl version |
| 09:11.31 | jelly | DoctorD90: verify the version of installed libssl1.0.0 package |
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| 09:11.52 | DoctorD90 | jelly, how? i dont remember command :P |
| 09:11.53 | valdyn | DoctorD90: use "dpkg -l openssl" or "apt-cache policy openssl" |
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| 09:12.06 | DoctorD90 | thx! i go |
| 09:12.12 | jelly | DoctorD90: dpkg -s libssl1.0.0 or dpkg -l libssl1.0.0 |
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| 09:12.44 | jelly | (the openssl package is actually less important than the library one) |
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| 09:13.25 | Amun_Ra | plus, your service may be using gnutls instead of libssl |
| 09:13.54 | DoctorD90 | ii openssl 1.0.1k-3+deb amd64 Secure Sockets |
| 09:14.28 | jelly | output of dpkg -l can get cut off so that "1.0.1k-3+deb" is not complete |
| 09:14.49 | DoctorD90 | ok, i go with -s |
| 09:15.49 | DoctorD90 | Version: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u1 |
| 09:15.50 | DoctorD90 | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) |
| 09:15.54 | Amun_Ra | unless you try sth like: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l openssl |
| 09:16.33 | DoctorD90 | so yes, i had well configured sources.list but issue was in 'openssl version' :P sorry guys :P many thx! |
| 09:17.17 | DoctorD90 | so it is updated at latest version for debian :) |
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| 09:17.33 | DoctorD90 | i may make gold dream :) |
| 09:17.40 | Amun_Ra | ;> |
| 09:17.52 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: you can check out unattended-upgrades |
| 09:18.09 | DoctorD90 | ? how? |
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| 09:19.35 | Amun_Ra | I mean |
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| 09:19.39 | Amun_Ra | ,v unattended-upgrades |
| 09:19.40 | judd | Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.62.2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.62.2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.79.5+wheezy1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.79.5+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 0.79.5+wheezy2; jessie: 0.83.3.1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.86.1; sid: 0.86.2 |
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| 09:21.05 | DoctorD90 | and how may install them? |
| 09:21.22 | DoctorD90 | i have this sources.list http://pastebin.com/SazZCNuh |
| 09:21.28 | Amun_Ra | DoctorD90: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 09:24.28 | lunario_ | hi. i have just installed the debian 8.1 amd64 netinstaller image on my computer. I have set up a pw for disk encryption and for my user account but i can by no means remember setting up a root password... however i cannot get root access to the system now. Is there any way to find out if there is a root pw already configured and possibly change it? |
| 09:25.44 | Amun_Ra | lunario_: does sudo su work? |
| 09:26.09 | DoctorD90 | thx Amun_Ra :) |
| 09:26.24 | Amun_Ra | yw :> |
| 09:26.32 | DoctorD90 | good day to all ^^ |
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| 09:31.33 | lunario_ | Amun_Ra: no, it says "myusername is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
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| 09:36.39 | lunario_ | it just doesnt make sense because, if i had been asked for a root password during installation, i would have written hints down as i always do |
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| 09:38.58 | valdyn | lunario_: you used expert mode to install? |
| 09:39.07 | Bwithmore14 | hello i need help installing debian jessie on my machine using live installer |
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| 09:39.38 | lunario_ | valdyn: no |
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| 09:39.47 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 09:39.47 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 09:40.00 | SynrG | Bwithmore14: from the desktop icon or from the "Install" option in the boot menu? |
| 09:40.05 | Bwithmore14 | i cant proceed because i cant access my wpa/ |
| 09:40.13 | valdyn | lunario_: what dpkg said = how to set a password for root |
| 09:40.23 | Bwithmore14 | this is similar bug that affects me |
| 09:40.25 | Bwithmore14 | https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/09/msg00235.html |
| 09:40.36 | lunario_ | alright, thx valdyn & dpkg |
| 09:41.15 | Bwithmore14 | i want live install because i need iwconfig in order to install debian on my machine |
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| 09:42.32 | Bwithmore14 | and iwconfig is installed in live mode too |
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| 09:43.23 | Bwithmore14 | the shell in graphical installer doesent have all utilities i need |
| 09:43.44 | Bwithmore14 | in boot menu graphical installer |
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| 09:46.46 | Bwithmore14 | please help i really want debian on my machine |
| 09:46.57 | SynrG | what wireless chipset do you have? |
| 09:47.04 | SynrG | lspci -nn | grep -i Network |
| 09:47.32 | Bwithmore14 | nothing |
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| 09:48.18 | Bwithmore14 | im using wireless usb adapter SynrG |
| 09:48.25 | SynrG | ok |
| 09:48.40 | SynrG | which usb adapter are you using? find it with lsusb instead. |
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| 09:50.03 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, its my wireless card |
| 09:50.06 | Bwithmore14 | RTL8187vB |
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| 09:52.12 | SynrG | not RTL8187B, by chance? |
| 09:53.00 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, i can connect through internet using this card in debian live but the installer on the desktop cant has a problem in network configuration setup stage the problem said failed to association fails with WPA-PSK keys but im connected to my wifi throught network |
| 09:53.09 | Bwithmore14 | network manager applet |
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| 09:53.40 | Bwithmore14 | lsusb doesent work in this debian live SynrG |
| 09:54.13 | Bwithmore14 | thats why i use the dmesg output to determine my wireless card chipset |
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| 09:59.45 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, what do you think why debian live installer has acting like that |
| 10:00.49 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, i dont have problems in other distribution like ubuntu and manjaro or either mint installer just debian installer it self |
| 10:00.53 | SynrG | i think the live installer was a bad idea and should be removed |
| 10:00.57 | SynrG | i'm taking steps to do so |
| 10:01.08 | Bwithmore14 | why |
| 10:01.18 | Bwithmore14 | it just need to be fix |
| 10:01.41 | SynrG | no. you need the debian-installer to work for you, not the live installer |
| 10:02.15 | Bwithmore14 | yeah |
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| 10:02.42 | moobase | will spinning up/down 10 times a day really have that much bad impact on my disk? (need it on and off in intervals.. pls don't ask why) |
| 10:02.47 | SynrG | so file an installation-report with your debian-installer issue (i.e. the symptoms when you try it and failed to install using *that* method, not in live mode) |
| 10:03.41 | SynrG | why remove the debian-installer-launcher? (which is what you're calling the "live installer"). because it's essentially unmaintained. |
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| 10:04.13 | SynrG | and is not reliable across a sufficient number of install scenarios to be worth trying to continue to support |
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| 10:04.30 | SynrG | the best advice when you have issues with it is "don't use it" |
| 10:05.36 | Bwithmore14 | the boot menu installation works fine but im stock to because i need #iwconfig wlanX rate 1M auto for this usb wireless adapter to work because for some reason this card doesent work without fixing the bitrate |
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| 10:05.46 | SynrG | Bwithmore14: if i had as much grief as you're having trying to install over wireless, i would personally just use ethernet instead. |
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| 10:06.11 | gefdecue | how do i find out which debian version am i using? |
| 10:06.28 | SynrG | Bwithmore14: can you force your wireless router down to "g only"? |
| 10:06.36 | SynrG | some chipsets have issues with Wireless N |
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| 10:08.30 | Bwithmore14 | man im just borrowing internet connection to my other family in other house and i dont want to disconnect there internet connection because im installing debian |
| 10:08.48 | Bwithmore14 | thats theyre internet connection and its not mine |
| 10:09.45 | SynrG | they have no free ethernet ports? |
| 10:09.57 | Bwithmore14 | or the other option is to buy another wireless usb adapter because this buggy wireless card pissed on debian and not just debian all linux distros |
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| 10:10.27 | SynrG | yeah, there's that. so you have no administrative control over the wireless router, then |
| 10:10.36 | Bwithmore14 | yeah |
| 10:10.48 | lunario_ | i am a bit confused about the way apt-offline works. i know how to fetch updates/upgrades with it, but what if i want to install a package with it? |
| 10:10.52 | SynrG | you could install a base system without wireless |
| 10:10.55 | p0g0 | Can you move closer to the AP? |
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| 10:10.59 | SynrG | just use the "Install" option from boot |
| 10:11.01 | Bwithmore14 | how to do that |
| 10:11.17 | SynrG | actually, it should install the whole contents of the image ... |
| 10:11.23 | SynrG | which includes iwconfig, etc. |
| 10:11.45 | SynrG | and a whole usable desktop, too. it will complain bitterly about the network, of course ... |
| 10:11.49 | SynrG | but the install will succeed. |
| 10:11.53 | Bwithmore14 | and mate desktop environment that came default with |
| 10:11.57 | SynrG | yep |
| 10:12.00 | Bwithmore14 | yes |
| 10:12.04 | Bwithmore14 | what i need |
| 10:12.07 | gefdecue | how do i know is i run debian 8 ? |
| 10:12.10 | SynrG | you'll have to fix up the wireless stuff afterwards, and your apt repository |
| 10:12.42 | SynrG | gefdecue: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:12.57 | Bwithmore14 | or lsb_realease -a |
| 10:13.05 | Bwithmore14 | or lsb_release -a |
| 10:13.59 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, are your here all the time ? |
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| 10:16.46 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG, i have to try man |
| 10:16.50 | Bwithmore14 | exit |
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| 10:18.35 | nectur2 | hey hello |
| 10:19.17 | nectur2 | i cant seem to get a pkg removed dpkg does list it but refuses to purge it |
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| 10:22.17 | Amun_Ra | nectur2: #define refuses |
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| 10:27.32 | jelly | !ask |
| 10:27.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:28.18 | jelly | nectur2: put the actual command you ran, and the whole output, on paste.debian.net |
| 10:28.21 | nectur2 | says it doest exist |
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| 10:28.37 | jelly | nectur2: we need precise, and complete output. |
| 10:28.42 | nectur2 | i get it fixed i used -r instead of - p |
| 10:29.30 | nectur2 | i thought purging was proper way but i guess i could only remove |
| 10:30.33 | warsh | is this an acceptable guide for encrypting one's debian box? http://www.tecmint.com/install-debian-8-with-luks-encrypted-home-var-lvm-partitions/ |
| 10:30.35 | nectur2 | ill remember to do that next time, jelly. thank you for responding |
| 10:31.43 | nectur2 | ill paste it next time although i need to set output to english first |
| 10:31.54 | SynrG | nectur2: umm. i don't understand your "solution" |
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| 10:32.04 | nectur2 | i forgot command ^^ |
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| 10:32.07 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 10:32.07 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 10:32.13 | SynrG | your conclusion is nonsense "i thought purging was proper way but i guess i could only remove" |
| 10:32.19 | SynrG | nectur2: ^^ makes no sense whatsoever |
| 10:32.26 | nectur2 | oh ic |
| 10:33.08 | SynrG | nectur2: hence, it's important for us to see the command you typed that failed, and its output |
| 10:33.18 | SynrG | nectur2: otherwise, you may have just "learned" something entirely wrong |
| 10:33.21 | nectur2 | maybe not Syn but its fixed so im happy |
| 10:33.43 | SynrG | well, i'm not. because now you have some wrong idea and will do things wrong the next time based on your wrong conclusion |
| 10:33.58 | SynrG | but, whatever |
| 10:34.05 | SynrG | i can't *make* you care about learning |
| 10:34.15 | nectur2 | sighs fine if it makes you happy |
| 10:34.25 | nectur2 | one moment |
| 10:34.30 | jelly | I didn't want to comment because nectur2 repeatedly wasn't willing to show actual output, so hey |
| 10:35.19 | nectur2 | ill show you |
| 10:37.27 | nectur2 | ill have to recreate the problem sec |
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| 10:44.44 | albech | looking for a way to compress split and upload files to S3 in a stream, without having to write the entire file locally first. I have seen that there is a --filter in split on ubuntu, but that will require a patch on my Debian machines. Any alternatives? |
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| 10:46.49 | gefdecue | SynrG: cat /etc/debian_version worked. thx |
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| 10:47.32 | nectur2 | @jelly, SynrG. http://paste.debian.net/281545/ |
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| 10:48.26 | jelly | nectur2: lowercase -p isn't --purge, it's --print-avail |
| 10:48.30 | nectur2 | all i had to do was -r instead of -p maybe the settings were already removed |
| 10:48.31 | jelly | -P is purge |
| 10:48.42 | nectur2 | oh |
| 10:48.45 | jelly | case matters. |
| 10:49.15 | nectur2 | well thanks |
| 10:49.19 | SynrG | there you go. :) |
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| 10:49.30 | SynrG | show us commands & output, and we can actually help you fix your *real* problem |
| 10:49.41 | nectur2 | everyone happy now i hope |
| 10:49.45 | SynrG | rather than making wild guesses and learning fictions about how your system works |
| 10:49.53 | SynrG | yep. i'm satisfied |
| 10:50.04 | nectur2 | good |
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| 10:54.22 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 10:54.53 | someHuman | How come the short cut alt + left-click + drag-and-move for moving the window does not work by default? |
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| 10:54.59 | someHuman | I'm using the latest stable release. |
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| 10:56.10 | someHuman | And I can't connect to Tor Browser here in a university my friend goes to. |
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| 11:00.56 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG: im successfully instaled debian im using it right now !! |
| 11:01.21 | Bwithmore14 | SynrG: now what i need to do in apt repository |
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| 11:03.53 | Walex | someHuman: depends entirely on the window manager and desktop environment |
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| 11:06.57 | SynrG | someHuman: if it is maximized, you may need to unmaximize first |
| 11:07.09 | SynrG | and yes, depends on the DE/WM |
| 11:07.10 | someHuman | SynrG hehe I know that :p |
| 11:07.29 | SynrG | which desktop/WM are you using? |
| 11:07.34 | someHuman | I just went with the default package setup of Debian. Did not include GNOME, XFCE or some sort. |
| 11:07.37 | jubo2 | Hummzz.. |
| 11:07.38 | someHuman | WM? |
| 11:07.43 | SynrG | window manager |
| 11:07.46 | someHuman | I don't know? |
| 11:07.54 | someHuman | I just went with the default. |
| 11:07.54 | SynrG | you're using xfce? |
| 11:07.58 | someHuman | I don't know |
| 11:08.00 | SynrG | well, that's not 'default' |
| 11:08.02 | SynrG | gnome is |
| 11:08.07 | someHuman | How can I know? |
| 11:08.10 | jubo2 | looks like I need to update my httpd.conf from 2.2 -> 2.4 |
| 11:08.14 | someHuman | It is GNOME actually :P |
| 11:08.24 | jubo2 | To migrate my sites from Debian7.3 to Debian8.1 |
| 11:08.35 | SynrG | ok. well, i don't know anything about gnome's default behaviour. it has been too long ago since i used it |
| 11:08.45 | someHuman | Ah |
| 11:08.47 | SynrG | i had thought alt-click-and-drag worked on that ... |
| 11:08.56 | someHuman | Well I'll probably go back to this, I gotta go |
| 11:08.59 | someHuman | Thanks! |
| 11:09.04 | someHuman | Nope |
| 11:09.06 | someHuman | It doesn't. |
| 11:09.10 | someHuman | And it's annoying. |
| 11:09.14 | someHuman | That short cut is really helpful. |
| 11:09.26 | SynrG | i can try it in a live image of it. but it sounds like you don't have time for me to try it |
| 11:09.31 | gefdecue | I upgraded t 8.1 and sound only works with headphones. the laptop's speakers dont work |
| 11:09.58 | SynrG | gefdecue: sounds like a mixer setting is wrong |
| 11:10.24 | someHuman | SynrG Yeah sadly |
| 11:10.34 | someHuman | Will you be here for a long time though today? |
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| 11:10.51 | SynrG | someHuman: depends on what you mean by "long". i'll be gone in the afternoon |
| 11:11.03 | SynrG | but my irc client is on 24/7 |
| 11:11.04 | gefdecue | SynrG: alsamixer also looks funny, only two channels. not like before |
| 11:11.05 | someHuman | How much longer will you be here? |
| 11:11.07 | someHuman | Ah ok |
| 11:11.11 | someHuman | I'll PM you later then |
| 11:11.15 | someHuman | SynrG See yah! |
| 11:11.17 | SynrG | gefdecue: try alsamixer -c0 |
| 11:11.31 | SynrG | someHuman: i prefer if you keep it in channel |
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| 11:12.34 | gefdecue | SynrG: worked. thanks |
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| 11:14.58 | SynrG | gefdecue: excellent |
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| 11:19.33 | moobase | all scripts in /etc/lib/systemd/system-sleep/ will be executed when you suspend/wake. Future proof or legacy soon to be depricated? Way more convenient than unit files. |
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| 11:21.48 | in10s | Hello! My provider said they swapped the second disk in my server. But "fdisk -l" only shows sda. Is that normal? How do I see all disks? |
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| 11:29.56 | nectur2 | in10s lsblk? |
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| 11:30.10 | in10s | yup, that shows sdc |
| 11:30.11 | in10s | thanks |
| 11:30.25 | nectur2 | np |
| 11:30.33 | in10s | previously the second disk was sdb. will this make a problem when i put sdc into the raid1 now? |
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| 11:39.22 | TheQuestionmark | I'm trying to capture a VM using 'simplescreenrecorder' but whenever there are multiple sound sources playing, a message pops up in the screencast program that says a short message with "too many samples" and afterwards, the final recording won't have any further audio to it. I'm using Pulse as I can't figure out to do screencasts with ALSA properly. Does anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 12:04.46 | bazhang | ,v kazam |
| 12:04.47 | judd | Package: kazam on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.5-1; stretch: 1.4.5-1; jessie: 1.4.5-1 |
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| 12:28.43 | er4z0r | what is the currently recommended tool to create your own APT repo? |
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| 12:31.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell er4z0r about reprepro |
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| 12:33.11 | er4z0r | abrotman: thx |
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| 12:36.48 | gnjurac | hi just instaled from debian minimal i istlled LXDE and wile i was booting it showed somthing about radeon grafick dident know exacly what dono how to see boot log, anywey when i move window it lags |
| 12:36.59 | gnjurac | i alweis used opens source radeo grafick |
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| 12:38.08 | gnjurac | on other distros |
| 12:38.26 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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| 12:39.45 | gnjurac | hi |
| 12:39.48 | moss | hi |
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| 12:40.19 | gnjurac | how to chek wich ati drivers are instlled |
| 12:41.04 | towo` | look, which are used? |
| 12:41.12 | towo` | the x-log will tell you |
| 12:41.22 | gnjurac | terminal |
| 12:41.23 | gnjurac | ? |
| 12:41.25 | gnjurac | pls |
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| 12:42.02 | towo` | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:42.21 | gnjurac | wtf |
| 12:42.25 | gnjurac | f shit |
| 12:42.33 | gnjurac | i am noot in sudoers |
| 12:42.46 | gnjurac | f debian installtion |
| 12:42.49 | gnjurac | newer asked me |
| 12:42.54 | gnjurac | f |
| 12:42.55 | gnjurac | beh |
| 12:43.05 | gnjurac | so i can now relog as root |
| 12:43.09 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:43.09 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:43.10 | gnjurac | and add me right |
| 12:43.21 | gnjurac | ? |
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| 12:46.55 | gnjurac | brb |
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| 12:57.58 | alfon | hi, since I upgrade to debian 8 (from 7) s2disk an s2ram doesn't work. I try to pass resume parameter to kernel on boot with no result. any idea? thanks in advance |
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| 12:59.57 | swift110-phone | Hey surs |
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| 13:01.07 | Gnjurac | wtf |
| 13:01.20 | Gnjurac | i just tryed to login with root it seys wrong password |
| 13:01.32 | Gnjurac | do meybe i have to tupe user ROOT |
| 13:01.35 | Gnjurac | or RooT |
| 13:01.39 | Gnjurac | or what? |
| 13:02.14 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: dude allowing user root to log in at all is a bad idea |
| 13:02.46 | Amun_Ra | generally true, but it depends |
| 13:02.53 | Gnjurac | dude |
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| 13:03.01 | Gnjurac | i just insaled debian |
| 13:03.05 | Gnjurac | and my normal user |
| 13:03.14 | Gnjurac | dosent have sudo rights |
| 13:03.20 | Gnjurac | so i wanted to login as root |
| 13:03.22 | albech | looking for a way to compress split and upload files to S3 in a stream, without having to write the entire file locally first. I have seen that there is a --filter in split on ubuntu, but that will require a patch on my Debian machines. Any alternatives? |
| 13:03.31 | Amun_Ra | !ifrp |
| 13:03.31 | Gnjurac | to give him souder rights |
| 13:03.31 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:04.19 | Gnjurac | Amun_Ra: this ifrp for me answer? |
| 13:04.40 | Amun_Ra | Gnjurac: if you can't login to root then aye |
| 13:04.46 | Gnjurac | i just want to add soud rights to my user |
| 13:05.01 | Gnjurac | and i guess i need to login as root to do thet, right? |
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| 13:05.35 | Equa | Gnjurac: open a terminal. type su and the password for root. then do adduser <user> sudo. log out of your user and log back in |
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| 13:07.20 | Gnjurac | i think i am idiot but i cant be i maded my root password like user pasword + 1 word but it seys auth faild |
| 13:07.45 | Gnjurac | like what are chances that i during instll tuped that same 2 times |
| 13:08.54 | Equa | Gnjurac: check your num lock or cap lock |
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| 13:09.07 | Gnjurac | i did |
| 13:10.25 | Gnjurac | f i think |
| 13:10.29 | Gnjurac | this will end up |
| 13:10.33 | Gnjurac | with reinstall |
| 13:10.45 | jubo2 | how about you 'sudo su' and then 'passwd' |
| 13:10.59 | jubo2 | In my universe that'd work.. Not sure about this one |
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| 13:11.28 | Gnjurac | when i try sudo su and tupe my user pasword it seys i am not in sudoers |
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| 13:11.49 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: not good |
| 13:12.03 | jubo2 | If you cannot sudo and cannot su you cannot edit the sudoers list |
| 13:12.04 | Amun_Ra | jubo2: that would work only if he add himself to sudoers before |
| 13:12.23 | Amun_Ra | Gnjurac: so… getting back to dpkg's hint |
| 13:12.24 | jubo2 | Amun_Ra: same content, same line length :D :D |
| 13:12.39 | Amun_Ra | :P |
| 13:12.46 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: If you can physically mess with the machine it's a breeze to reset the root passwd |
| 13:12.53 | jubo2 | but don't tell the nasties about this |
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| 13:13.13 | Gnjurac | is it posible |
| 13:13.21 | Gnjurac | to read my password from hard drive |
| 13:13.27 | Gnjurac | gues its ecripted right? |
| 13:13.31 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: the point is not read |
| 13:13.34 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: encrypted |
| 13:13.47 | jubo2 | Yes it is encrypted with a one way hash function |
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| 13:14.00 | Gnjurac | ye then i think i am official fucked |
| 13:14.30 | Amun_Ra | nope |
| 13:14.40 | jubo2 | Gnjurac: you need to access the emergency root shell and use vi to change the whole hash in the /etc/passwd or whatevs to something you know the plaintext for |
| 13:14.53 | Amun_Ra | !ifrp |
| 13:14.54 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:15.17 | jubo2 | that's much better then my retro style advice |
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| 13:15.52 | Amun_Ra | jubo2: I had mine too until I saw that one :P |
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| 13:19.45 | jubo2 | Amun_Ra: but don't tell the nasties, right? |
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| 13:20.24 | jubo2 | all the infosec books contain a rant about "Do not let the nasties have physical access you your machines" |
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| 13:21.08 | jubo2 | coz changing the root passwd ain't straightforward if you cannot access the machine physically |
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| 13:21.36 | jubo2 | SSL is scary |
| 13:22.01 | Amun_Ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.01 | jubo2 | If that unencrypted key ever gets out all the client sessions with that server are opened at the same instant |
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| 13:22.25 | valdyn | uh? |
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| 13:22.38 | valdyn | no |
| 13:22.51 | jubo2 | 'tis what I've been told |
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| 13:23.26 | valdyn | as far as i know the session key is not obtained by a deterministic function of the private key |
| 13:23.38 | valdyn | and its a different session key every time... |
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| 13:23.53 | jubo2 | axaa.. je vois |
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| 13:24.43 | valdyn | everything else would be broken by design |
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| 13:25.47 | jubo2 | Irc is a medium with absolutely no advance censorship but lot of ad hominem whacking and bannhammering a posteriori so I can spam you people that this: http://MaidSafe.net (official stuff) - http://MaidSafe.org (general chatter) will totally rock the humankind |
| 13:26.24 | jubo2 | The day that some guys comments that "We could try to patch in the legacy internet but, really, why bother?" |
| 13:26.33 | jubo2 | ... the day is growing nigh |
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| 13:26.56 | abrotman | jubo2: Wrong channel, this is for Debian support |
| 13:27.55 | BluesKaj | jubo does it agian :-) |
| 13:28.26 | BluesKaj | again, even |
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| 13:38.57 | vibhavp | what exactly does "Debian strech/sid" mean? |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | from where? |
| 13:39.21 | abrotman | (context matters) |
| 13:39.41 | vibhavp | abrotman: my login screen tells me Im running "Debian GNU/Linux strech/sid" |
| 13:39.49 | Amun_Ra | vibhavp: stretch/sid aka unstable |
| 13:39.56 | vibhavp | :O |
| 13:40.04 | abrotman | no, not aka unstable |
| 13:40.08 | Amun_Ra | unstable not in a way you think of |
| 13:40.11 | vibhavp | My sources.list is testing :/ |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | right, Amun_Ra doesn't know what they're saying |
| 13:41.03 | Amun_Ra | they, you mean I and I? |
| 13:41.13 | vibhavp | abrotman: what does it mean then? |
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| 13:41.50 | vibhavp | I dont have any mentions of sid in my sources.list :/ |
| 13:41.54 | abrotman | vibhavp: That is determined by /etc/debian_version. That file is part of the base-files package. Because of the rapid developement of unstable, and currently testing, that package contains a file that says both "stretch/sid". When the release of stretch nears, a version of that package will be released that just says 'stretch' |
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| 13:42.25 | abrotman | vibhavp: and your sources.list should be pointing at 'stretch', not 'testing' |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | This will become more important after stretch releases as stable, and testing reopens for developers to flood with new packages |
| 13:43.00 | Amun_Ra | or 'sid' as in: http://pastebin.com/tZRz6CiH |
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| 13:43.17 | abrotman | No |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:43.26 | abrotman | What is wrong with you? |
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| 13:43.42 | Amun_Ra | abrotman: I have a little pain in back, why do you ask? |
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| 13:43.58 | abrotman | Amun_Ra: We just covered you . |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | you don't know what oyu're talking about .. |
| 13:44.37 | abrotman | vibhavp: ignore what Amun_Ra has been saying. It's not helpful |
| 13:44.59 | vibhavp | heh |
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| 13:46.03 | vibhavp | abrotman: does this look good? http://pastebin.com/EtxvzXcP |
| 13:46.19 | vibhavp | (although I'm not sure if theres something like stretch/updates) |
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| 13:46.53 | abrotman | vibhavp: Yes, though, you won't get any security updates for stretch/testing currently. But when it releases they'll start to appear |
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| 13:47.15 | vibhavp | ah |
| 13:47.18 | vibhavp | thanks! |
| 13:47.32 | dvs | vibhavp: Why not put "contrib non-free" after "main" on the first two lines? |
| 13:47.46 | NTQ | Hi. Yesterday I installed Debian 8.1 on my Thinkpad W530 with Nvidia Optimus system. The nouveau driver won't recognize any external monitor. Any ideas how to get that thing working? Later I want to be able to use two external monitors. |
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| 13:48.30 | vibhavp | dvs: I should do that, yes |
| 13:48.41 | BluesKaj | can one upgrade from jessie to stretch over the internet, or do i need to do a clean install? For example in kubuntu one can upgrade to the next (development) release by doing sudo do-release-upgrade (-d) |
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| 13:49.04 | dvs | vibhavp: Then delete lines 4 and 5 |
| 13:49.21 | armin | BluesKaj: you can usually do that, yes. |
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| 13:51.10 | BluesKaj | armin, any big problems with graphics or audio drivers on stretch?, that's usually where most of the problems lie with devel releases |
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| 14:02.58 | abrotman | BluesKaj: Stretch is currently called 'testing' for a reason. No problem today, problem tomorrow. That's sort of the way it goes |
| 14:03.51 | in10s | Hello! Why do I see stuff like this in my sysloog all the time? "Jul 12 15:55:57 adjusting local clock by 0.504238s" ... "Jul 12 15:58:03 adjusting local clock by 0.441237s" ... "Jul 12 16:00:09 adjusting local clock by 0.378174s" |
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| 14:09.05 | abrotman | in10s: ntpd is doing its job |
| 14:09.08 | Amun_Ra | in10s: it's local time adjustment by NTP service |
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| 14:09.55 | BluesKaj | abrotman, ok, thanks , I'm used to the day to day changes on dev OSs since I've been testing Kubuntu for the last few yrs |
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| 14:10.33 | in10s | abrotman, Amun_Ra: by my clock cant lose 0.5s every few minutes, right? |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | in10s: It could. Is it a VM? |
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| 14:11.58 | in10s | no, its bare metal. |
| 14:12.17 | in10s | i tend to simply "apt-get remove ntp" |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | in10s: that's not a good idea. There's nothing wrong with what it's doing |
| 14:13.39 | in10s | if i remove it and the clock stays on track i will know it's ntps fault. |
| 14:14.01 | Amun_Ra | in10s: it doesn't work that way |
| 14:14.36 | in10s | Amun_Ra: which way? |
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| 14:16.12 | Amun_Ra | in10s: I mean it's not ntp that desyncs the clock |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | in10s: over time, the adjustments should get smaller |
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| 14:16.58 | dvs | in10s: Yeah, it adjusts in small increaments instead of one big leap. |
| 14:17.24 | hassoon | anyone knows how to get the rttf icon of the debian logo if it exists? i wanna add it to my i3bar |
| 14:17.30 | hassoon | *ttf * |
| 14:17.34 | in10s | but this machine has been running for weeks |
| 14:17.47 | in10s | why would ntp have to still do adjustments? |
| 14:18.25 | Amun_Ra | hassoon: something like that? https://github.com/Lukas-W/font-linux |
| 14:18.32 | in10s | "Jul 12 16:15:41 clock is now synced" ... hmm... |
| 14:18.40 | hassoon | Amun_Ra: indeed sir :D |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | in10s: do you turn the system off at night, etc? |
| 14:18.47 | in10s | why on earth was it out of sync? |
| 14:18.52 | abrotman | or put it to sleep |
| 14:18.55 | in10s | abrotman: no, but it crashed this morning |
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| 14:19.05 | in10s | but i would have though it was still powered on. |
| 14:19.17 | Amun_Ra | in10s: it's the way ntp works, by adjusting in small steps |
| 14:19.21 | in10s | one drive in my raid1 died |
| 14:19.34 | in10s | i was not able to find out why that brought the system down |
| 14:20.01 | in10s | or if that was the cause of the crash |
| 14:20.35 | in10s | the machine was not responding. and when i brought it back up, one drive was marked [f] in /proc/mdstat |
| 14:20.57 | in10s | but there was nothing in any log before the downtime. |
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| 14:21.31 | in10s | so maybe something else brought the machine down and the spin-down/spin-up killed the drive. |
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| 14:22.29 | in10s | running bare metal is so 90s. |
| 14:22.41 | in10s | i only have 2 machines left that are not virtualized. |
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| 14:22.54 | abrotman | That all depends on usage |
| 14:24.24 | in10s | well, if you need maximum bang for the buck, bare metal is probably the way to go. |
| 14:24.29 | in10s | but i don't need much bang. |
| 14:24.39 | BluesKaj | who cares, trendy isn't effective unless it's needed |
| 14:25.40 | abrotman | would personally rather have something like a Moonshot full of ARM or some other low-power cpu |
| 14:26.11 | in10s | one thing i never understood about raid1 is: will the system still boot, no matter which of the 2 disks die? |
| 14:26.36 | in10s | this morning sdb died. and it still booted. i wonder if that would have been the case if sda would have died. |
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| 14:28.51 | jubo2 | dänks abrotman |
| 14:29.15 | jubo2 | someone explained the "no spamming"-policy in place in here and it does make sense |
| 14:29.29 | BluesKaj | in10s, I had an outboard that was badly damaged in power outage, but it will mount if there active blocks on it |
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| 14:29.51 | BluesKaj | still useless tho :-) |
| 14:30.08 | in10s | whats an outboard? |
| 14:30.08 | BluesKaj | active=readable |
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| 14:30.49 | BluesKaj | outboard HDD used for storage in my case |
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| 14:33.27 | gnjurac | hi |
| 14:33.31 | kwmiebach | in10s: I guess a hardware or even fake raid controller should always be able to boot from any of 2 remaining mirrored disks. The controller is booted up before the os from disk boots. On softraid it needs to be setup seperately, because the OS needs to boot before the raid software. Like manually copying boot stuff to the second disk or so |
| 14:33.52 | gnjurac | [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 14:34.25 | BluesKaj | bbl |
| 14:34.30 | gnjurac | when i move window my grafic lags this is from kern.log |
| 14:34.52 | in10s | kwmiebach: i dont even know if this machine has a hardware raid or software raid. how do i find out? |
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| 14:37.27 | gnjurac | anyone |
| 14:38.32 | in10s | gnjurac: i have almost no clue, but i would try installing the non-free graphics driver. |
| 14:38.38 | Amun_Ra | in10s: cat /proc/mdstat? |
| 14:38.58 | dvs | gnjurac: You answered your own question: radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:39.03 | gnjurac | in10s: on lubuntu all works normal and non free radeo drivers for 4650 sux hard |
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| 14:39.13 | Amun_Ra | in10s: generally if you see all the drives from OS it's soft one |
| 14:39.17 | gnjurac | i can try but think thats bad |
| 14:39.22 | allizom | gnjurac: you could to enable the non-free repo and then install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:39.36 | in10s | Amun_Ra: that shows me my raid. how do i know if its hardware? |
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| 14:40.16 | Amun_Ra | in10s: mdraid == soft raid |
| 14:40.34 | kwmiebach | in10s: between software and some form of hardware raid it should be easy to find out. mdraid if it is running is soft raid |
| 14:40.39 | kwmiebach | not so easy between fake and real raid read this http://serverfault.com/questions/9244/how-do-i-differentiate-fake-raid-from-real-raid |
| 14:41.15 | gnjurac | allizom: how to add non free repo google sux |
| 14:41.20 | in10s | Amun_Ra: i use 2 raid1 drives. they are called md1 and md3. |
| 14:41.27 | in10s | Amun_Ra: that indicats a soft raid? |
| 14:42.00 | in10s | or does the existance of /proc/mdstat already indicate soft raid? |
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| 14:42.28 | Amun_Ra | in10s: if you have raid1 set up on mdadm, it works as a soft one |
| 14:42.35 | in10s | i see |
| 14:42.46 | in10s | how can the system boot then? |
| 14:42.51 | allizom | gnjurac: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free after main (it will be like this: ... main non-free) |
| 14:43.03 | in10s | there is no 3rd disk so it must boot from the raid... |
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| 14:44.16 | Amun_Ra | in10s: I guess you have there boot partition |
| 14:44.25 | gnjurac | ok |
| 14:44.28 | gnjurac | i think i did it |
| 14:44.39 | gnjurac | shoot me 1 non free to test |
| 14:45.03 | gnjurac | or even better name of radeon drivers |
| 14:45.04 | in10s | Amun_Ra: "fdisk -l" only shows partitions used in the raid |
| 14:45.25 | gnjurac | found it |
| 14:45.56 | allizom | gnjurac: firmware-linux-nonfree is what you probably need |
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| 14:49.28 | Amun_Ra | in10s: that's because grub is raid aware |
| 14:50.20 | in10s | Amun_Ra: ah! but grub still needs to be read from one disk or the other, right? so if sda dies, will the machine still come up? |
| 14:50.31 | Amun_Ra | in10s: yes |
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| 14:52.07 | gnjurac | ther |
| 14:52.08 | in10s | because both drives have a bootable flag? |
| 14:52.26 | Amun_Ra | in10s: and two grubs, given bios have both drives on boot list |
| 14:52.35 | gnjurac | is no suported non free driver for my video card as i sead 4650on lubuntu i use open source |
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| 14:53.35 | in10s | Amun_Ra: i wonder if the new sdb has a grub. i just did "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" |
| 14:53.48 | in10s | Amun_Ra: and then added the partitions to the raid |
| 14:54.21 | allizom | gnjurac: maybe you don't need the driver, just the firmware? |
| 14:54.25 | Amun_Ra | in10s: dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.mbr count=1 bs=512; do this with sdb and compare |
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| 14:54.51 | gnjurac | allizom: oh i loked only for driver not firmwere |
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| 14:56.15 | Amun_Ra | in10s: and you can always manually install it via grub-install |
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| 14:56.57 | in10s | Amun_Ra: i ran the output files through xxd and then diffed them. they are very different. |
| 14:57.23 | s7r | we need to upgrade this to 2.3.x , especially after the softfork when the network switched to v3 blocks. also the newer seeds cannot be restored to that old version. a backport to wheezy is also needed. who can i talk to? https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/electrum |
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| 14:58.28 | Amun_Ra | in10s: could be, mbr is outside mdraid scope |
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| 14:59.18 | in10s | Amun_Ra: you would simply run "grub-install /dev/sdb"? |
| 15:00.02 | Amun_Ra | in10s: yes, if the other drive is in sync with sda |
| 15:00.13 | in10s | im a bit afraid :) |
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| 15:01.01 | Amun_Ra | in10s: it's just mbr it won't mess up your data, in worst case you won't boot |
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| 15:01.12 | Samxxxx | Is anybody familiar with the bug where Header always set doesn't work with FastCGI? |
| 15:01.22 | in10s | Amun_Ra: i might do that tomorrow morning when the traffic is low. |
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| 15:03.01 | Amun_Ra | in10s: I mean you won't boot from the second drive, and the latter is always a good idea ;P |
| 15:03.40 | in10s | Amun_Ra: some tutorials on the net suggest doing it from th grub console. via "grub" and then " device (hd1) /dev/sdb ; root (hd1,0) ; setup (hd1) " |
| 15:04.28 | Amun_Ra | in10s: that's the way to go if you can't boot into os |
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| 15:04.50 | in10s | but it would work anyhow, right? |
| 15:04.58 | Amun_Ra | yes |
| 15:05.00 | in10s | ok |
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| 15:12.06 | Amun_Ra | in10s: if you have a spare box and two drives set up testing env and try to break things up |
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| 15:12.43 | wsky | ok can anyone tell me how tu run veracrypt gui? |
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| 15:13.29 | in10s | Amun_Ra: yes, that would be an option. but i will just do it on the real thing. |
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| 15:16.38 | Amun_Ra | wsky: how did you install it? |
| 15:16.53 | wsky | using the binary from their codeplex site |
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| 15:18.06 | Amun_Ra | wsky: I would have to dl it to know; look up /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin and /opt for verasomething |
| 15:19.47 | in10s | ok gotta go |
| 15:19.54 | in10s | Amun_Ra: thanks a lot for the great help! |
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| 15:20.29 | wsky | Amun_Ra: i just got the veracrypt executable which is the cli tool |
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| 15:21.08 | wsky | there is a .desktop file too but it just points to the same executable |
| 15:21.59 | Amun_Ra | uhm |
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| 15:23.42 | Amun_Ra | wsky: is it veracrypt-1.0f-2-setup.tar.bz2 file? |
| 15:24.13 | bazhang | ,v veracrypt |
| 15:24.14 | judd | No package named 'veracrypt' was found in amd64. |
| 15:24.34 | wsky | 9c92a6f4b31a45245ba23d372a033393854d6e97 Pobrane/veracrypt-1.0f-2-setup.tar.bz2 |
| 15:24.38 | wsky | sha1 |
| 15:24.59 | Amun_Ra | pobrane :> |
| 15:25.11 | wsky | yes it literarly means downloads |
| 15:25.17 | Amun_Ra | wiem wiem ;> |
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| 15:25.40 | Amun_Ra | wsky: and you install veracrypt-1.0f-2-setup-gui-* one? |
| 15:25.46 | wsky | ye |
| 15:26.03 | wsky | but these packages install same stuff |
| 15:26.11 | wsky | it's just the installer what differs |
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| 15:27.42 | Amun_Ra | there is "veracrypt" executable in that archive, gui one |
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| 15:28.51 | wsky | wait i got it |
| 15:28.57 | Amun_Ra | wsky: 5894312 bytes, sha1(48eac1a90fff57b60f6802e6436e4202c4c64a17) |
| 15:29.00 | wsky | i had to actually use the gui package |
| 15:29.10 | wsky | i thought that it's just the installer that differs |
| 15:29.13 | wsky | works now |
| 15:29.15 | Amun_Ra | that's what I ask :> |
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| 15:42.11 | blackjack | hello |
| 15:42.21 | rgr | if grub is causing you hassle hose it and use reFind instead. assuming your HW allows it. http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/refind.html |
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| 15:42.37 | blackjack | anyone tried installing viber.deb found on the official website on debian 7.8? |
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| 15:43.23 | Amun_Ra | it's not grub |
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| 15:44.32 | blackjack | it seemed to install doing the sudo dpkg -i viber.deb |
| 15:44.36 | blackjack | w/o error |
| 15:44.55 | blackjack | but how do i open it? Theres no viber command on the terminal |
| 15:44.59 | Amun_Ra | blackjack: so, dpkg -L viber |
| 15:45.03 | blackjack | it keeps on saying command not found |
| 15:45.11 | blackjack | what is -L ? |
| 15:45.18 | moss | blackjack: are you root? |
| 15:45.42 | moss | what exactly is it that you're running ? |
| 15:45.53 | blackjack | yes |
| 15:46.04 | blackjack | im running crunchbang linux |
| 15:46.08 | moss | lol |
| 15:46.09 | blackjack | which is based on debian 7 |
| 15:47.06 | Amun_Ra | blackjack: dpkg -L viber |grep bin |
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| 15:49.19 | blackjack | Amun_Ra here.. http://paste.debian.net/281619/ |
| 15:49.26 | blackjack | thats the output |
| 15:50.05 | Amun_Ra | I would vote for /opt/viber/Viber being executable |
| 15:50.20 | blackjack | ok. thanks |
| 15:51.39 | blackjack | Amun_Ra: now this result when i typed /opt/viber/Viber |
| 15:51.41 | blackjack | http://paste.debian.net/281620/ |
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| 15:52.27 | Amun_Ra | wrong libc version |
| 15:52.58 | blackjack | umm. is there a viber on debian repo? |
| 15:53.01 | blackjack | or none? |
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| 15:53.52 | Amun_Ra | ,v viber |
| 15:53.53 | judd | No package named 'viber' was found in amd64. |
| 15:55.00 | BluesKaj | not listed in synaptic either |
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| 15:56.25 | blackjack | Amun_Ra: is it wrong version libc i have? Or i dont have that particular library? |
| 15:57.46 | Amun_Ra | blackjack: looks like it's for older version; compile it |
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| 15:58.24 | rgr | playing with libc is asking for trouble. |
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| 15:59.20 | Amun_Ra | yes, and ld_library_path is not an answer either |
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| 16:05.38 | blackjack | ok Amun_Ra. i might just uninstall it |
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| 16:06.19 | blackjack | since i installed it using dpkg -i viber.deb |
| 16:06.24 | blackjack | how do i uninstall it? :/ |
| 16:06.35 | blackjack | i only know how to uninstall on apt-get |
| 16:06.56 | blackjack | is it dpkg --purge command? |
| 16:07.48 | Amun_Ra | -r (remove) -P (purge) |
| 16:08.30 | blackjack | so -r is the proper way? |
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| 16:12.31 | sivf | why is gcc-doc in contrib? |
| 16:12.57 | sivf | do I really have to install proprietary software for gcc's documentation files? |
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| 16:17.20 | valdyn | sivf: what does proprietary even mean? |
| 16:17.31 | valdyn | sivf: non-free |
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| 16:18.00 | allizom | sivf: isn't that because the doc are under GNU GFDL? see https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 16:18.41 | valdyn | sivf: if you mean non-free, yes, or read it online |
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| 16:19.10 | gregf | ever since the switch to systemd it takes about 1m20s to bring up my network interface. I'm on a wired network with dhcp. Anyone have any clue as to what might be going on? |
| 16:19.11 | Amun_Ra | yes, it's the reason |
| 16:19.36 | valdyn | gregf: its not brought up at all and you're just waiting for the timeout |
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| 16:20.08 | gregf | valdyn: the internet works once booted though? |
| 16:20.23 | gregf | valdyn: either way, any thing I can try to fix the problem? |
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| 16:20.56 | valdyn | gregf: i think theres something evil done by the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 16:21.23 | gregf | valdyn: like? |
| 16:21.33 | sivf | allizom, valdyn: How can documentation for software of the GNU project be non-free? |
| 16:21.35 | valdyn | gregf: like a recursive call to ifup |
| 16:21.52 | valdyn | gregf: i forgot which script it is. You have to dig for that yourself |
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| 16:22.16 | gregf | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:22.17 | Amun_Ra | sivf: it's in contrib, not in non-free |
| 16:22.54 | valdyn | the docs are in non-free |
| 16:22.59 | Amun_Ra | uhm |
| 16:23.02 | valdyn | the meta-package is in contrib |
| 16:23.37 | Amun_Ra | you are right, my bad |
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| 16:23.40 | valdyn | sivf: there's no absolute definition of free nor of non-free |
| 16:23.50 | sivf | But how can this be since GNU claims to be for free software? |
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| 16:24.02 | allizom | sivf: they are according to the Debian project. If you asked the GNU people they'd tell you otherwise |
| 16:24.04 | valdyn | sivf: and the world is not black nor white ;) |
| 16:24.05 | sivf | Something is very strange going on here... |
| 16:24.46 | Amun_Ra | sivf: free not in terms of DFGL |
| 16:25.23 | sivf | so the GNU Free Documentation License is not free according the the Debian Free Software Guidelines? |
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| 16:25.59 | Amun_Ra | have you read https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 ? |
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| 16:42.03 | sivf | Amun_Ra: ah, no, not before. |
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| 16:43.10 | jelly | sivf: read: /msg dpkg gfdl |
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| 16:52.05 | sivf | jelly: does it cover relevant info that is not given at https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 ? |
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| 17:14.21 | greg | Hi all, can someone help me with compiling a Hello World module? |
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| 17:25.11 | zh | greg, #programming |
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| 17:32.47 | doudou | still banned? |
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| 17:35.04 | greg | thanks zh |
| 17:35.07 | BluesKaj | doudou, don't think so, I see your question |
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| 17:35.23 | aladdin | Hi |
| 17:35.40 | doudou | BluesKaj: did theMill dead? |
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| 17:36.14 | aladdin | I try to install Debian but I cannot press enter to start the Graphical install ? :( There is not a timeout ? |
| 17:36.34 | BluesKaj | doudou, nope he's still here |
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| 17:37.35 | aladdin | other distro allow me to press enter, I am using normal keyboard with IR |
| 17:37.52 | aladdin | So I must find usb keyboard ? |
| 17:39.26 | BluesKaj | doudou, you must behave :-) |
| 17:40.39 | aladdin | any tips ? |
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| 17:41.01 | doudou | BluesKaj: is there a way to be warned when he leaves? |
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| 17:41.28 | doudou | BluesKaj: anyway i am just kidding, i ban debian for a long time know |
| 17:43.02 | BluesKaj | doudou, well, you can use watched nicknames in your irc client, but I've never used it myself |
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| 17:45.08 | doudou | BluesKaj: thanks for idea, i wont play for ban, tired, have a nice day |
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| 17:45.33 | BluesKaj | dogeball, ok , you too |
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| 17:45.53 | BluesKaj | too late |
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| 18:02.32 | yh | What is the relationship between Debian and Tiny Core Linux ? |
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| 18:04.41 | knivsta | yh, nothing I guess? |
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| 18:07.56 | yh | knivsta: I'll narrow it down a bit: the Debian Docker Image and Tiny Core Linux |
| 18:08.08 | yh | When you uname -r in a container of it, you see mention of tinycore |
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| 18:18.51 | knivsta | yh, sry I really really don't know only jelly can reply to this one |
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| 18:21.15 | Amun_Ra | there's something mentioned on wiki, but not really specific |
| 18:22.08 | jelly | yh: isn't docker just a container format? |
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| 18:31.27 | someHuman | Hello! |
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| 18:31.58 | someHuman | I accidentally installed the 32bit arch version of Debian instead of 64bit. What are the disadvantages? |
| 18:32.15 | KM0201 | someHuman: how much ram do you have? |
| 18:32.21 | wsky | well a single process can't allocate more than 2GB of memory |
| 18:32.28 | someHuman | I know it isn't fully compatible, or 64 bit makes use of as much resources as possible. But what else? |
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| 18:32.35 | someHuman | What do you mean? |
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| 18:32.44 | someHuman | What about data transfers? |
| 18:32.55 | someHuman | Will the speed be affected? The performance of transfer? |
| 18:33.04 | jelly | someHuman: no, not really |
| 18:33.40 | someHuman | Also, I find it annoying that alt+left-click+move around does not work. |
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| 18:33.59 | KM0201 | since you just installed however, you shouldn't have a whole lot invested in this install, I'd download 64bit and reinstall. |
| 18:33.59 | Amun_Ra | well, if you have pae, more work for the kernel |
| 18:34.14 | someHuman | KM0201: Why? |
| 18:34.21 | someHuman | KM0201: You're right though. |
| 18:34.35 | someHuman | KM0201: But why would you? |
| 18:34.38 | KM0201 | lol, you ask me why, then you say, "you're right though"... let me ask.. Why do you think i'm right? |
| 18:34.54 | someHuman | Because it's made for my PC :P |
| 18:34.57 | Amun_Ra | uhm, or add multiarch support to apt-get and install 64-bit kernel ;> |
| 18:35.05 | jhutchins | someHuman: Up until about two years ago, it made sense to use the 32b version if you didn't need 64 for something specific. |
| 18:35.11 | Amun_Ra | I haven't tested it tho |
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| 18:35.33 | KM0201 | Amun_Ra: i don't think that's how multiarch works. |
| 18:35.40 | jhutchins | someHuman: While multiarch still isn't perfect, it works in most cases, and you have the additional capabilities of the broader data channel. |
| 18:35.45 | someHuman | Amun_Ra: I'd rather reinstall. Not much have happened on this install anyway :p |
| 18:36.00 | Amun_Ra | someHuman: that's the best thing to do actually |
| 18:36.00 | jhutchins | someHuman: There are situations where this is actually a performance drag, but in many things it improves performance. |
| 18:36.05 | jelly | Amun_Ra: there's an -amd64 kernel even in i386 |
| 18:36.07 | KM0201 | someHuman: that is the most logical thing you've said. |
| 18:36.12 | jhutchins | someHuman: Most modern hardware is 64b anyway. |
| 18:36.16 | zinx | jhutchins: i've been using 64bit since i got a processor that was capable, tbqh the downsides have always been overblown (there were generally ways around compatibility, even back then, in Debian) |
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| 18:36.31 | Amun_Ra | jelly: oh, I didn't know that |
| 18:36.57 | jhutchins | someHuman: Multiarch gives you the ability to run 32b programs and access 32b libraries on 64b, not the other way around. |
| 18:37.12 | someHuman | I'd reinstall |
| 18:37.16 | someHuman | This is complicated |
| 18:37.18 | jelly | jhutchins: actually, it's both and you're wrong there. |
| 18:37.26 | zinx | it also lets you install other achitectures - armhf and such |
| 18:37.28 | someHuman | And I just got news that there are ISIS threats now in my area |
| 18:37.32 | jhutchins | jelly: Really? I've never seen it used on 32. |
| 18:37.34 | someHuman | Damn |
| 18:37.50 | someHuman | Is it safe to say where my area is? |
| 18:37.52 | someHuman | :) |
| 18:38.01 | jelly | jhutchins: what you've seen is different from what works. |
| 18:38.07 | zinx | someHuman: depends on how vague :) |
| 18:38.18 | someHuman | We got threat last Sunday or Saturday about ISIS threatening the Christian church. |
| 18:38.23 | someHuman | Qatar |
| 18:38.41 | someHuman | AFK |
| 18:38.42 | zinx | jhutchins: because most people aren't crazy |
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| 18:39.13 | zinx | jhutchins: but yes, multiarch lets you install any combination, and assuming you have the ability to run the binaries you're good |
| 18:39.18 | KM0201 | well that was mildly entertaining. |
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| 18:39.36 | someHuman | KM0201: :) |
| 18:39.40 | zinx | jhutchins: note that things like qemu-user allow running of even incompatible architectures |
| 18:39.43 | jhutchins | someHuman: Are you using TOR? |
| 18:39.52 | someHuman | jhutchins: Yup |
| 18:39.55 | lunario_ | why does sudo -i not work in debian if i want to get root access? |
| 18:39.55 | KM0201 | went from a silly question about multiarch, to him knowing what was right in the first place, to ISIS... |
| 18:40.23 | KM0201 | why not just use root? |
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| 18:40.34 | zinx | lunario_: debian isn't ubuntu; you can set sudo up to do that if you like, however. |
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| 18:40.57 | someHuman | KM0201: :) |
| 18:41.12 | zinx | lunario_: if you install sudo during the install process, it will generally add the user you create during the install to the sudo group |
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| 18:41.26 | someHuman | I'm more of a Free Software person. |
| 18:41.40 | zinx | DFSG free? |
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| 18:42.04 | someHuman | zinx: gnu |
| 18:42.07 | someHuman | zinx: :) |
| 18:42.16 | GJdan | how do you add a new link to a group in update-alternatives? |
| 18:42.22 | zinx | little too restrictive a 'free' for me ;D |
| 18:42.32 | someHuman | I'm not talking about Debian's Free Software guideline, talking about RMS'. |
| 18:42.51 | someHuman | I've heard that FreeBSD is freeir |
| 18:42.52 | zinx | be sure to install vrms |
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| 18:44.01 | jelly | someHuman: best keep this channel for tech support, everyone wanting to chat about not-tech-support stuff is free to join #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:45.12 | jelly | lunario_: it works for me. Is your user member of sudo group? |
| 18:45.19 | GJdan | nvm figured it out |
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| 19:00.41 | axelis | In the last boot there was a job called "Create volatile files" that took place which lasted for quite a while. I found some information through Google but not something certain to answer as to what that was about. Would the log files contain information about why that task run ? And if yes which ? I have been poking around them myself but without any luck. Thank you. |
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| 19:11.19 | Brigo | axelis, i think that problem too, i think it's a bug that will be solved eventually. |
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| 19:15.00 | ibouvousaime | Can I use wifi to install with a debian network install ? |
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| 19:16.05 | c0fe | ibouvousaime: i suppose though at least from my understanding most wifi isn't stable with linux solutions |
| 19:16.32 | MikeWorth | Since upgrading to jessie, I can't get 4od to work properly. I had a very similar problem in wheezy which was fixed (iirc) by installing hal; aptitude is still showing it as installed. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 19:17.27 | ibouvousaime | c0fe, I dont have a choice |
| 19:17.55 | c0fe | MikeWorth: i think there is another tool that can get it working though I tried this for Silverlight before |
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| 19:18.16 | c0fe | ibouvousaime: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=14684 |
| 19:18.26 | c0fe | ibouvousaime: that's a good tutorial on how to do this |
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| 19:18.45 | ibouvousaime | okay thanks c0fe |
| 19:18.48 | ibouvousaime | I will look at that |
| 19:19.19 | c0fe | MikeWorth: try pipelight, it has a plugin for adobe |
| 19:19.21 | c0fe | flash |
| 19:19.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ibouvousaime about firmware image |
| 19:19.46 | KM0201 | i would think as long as the installer recognizes your wireless device, you could... of course, that is the tricky part |
| 19:20.12 | abrotman | I've installed over wifi, it's easy |
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| 19:20.57 | ibouvousaime | the Usb drive I have right now is 128mb large |
| 19:21.19 | c0fe | lol abrotman, keep reading your nick as "abortman" |
| 19:21.20 | c0fe | :P |
| 19:21.58 | KM0201 | abrotman: again, it's easy if the network installer recognizes your wireless device properly |
| 19:22.06 | abrotman | c0fe: Tha'ts your problem |
| 19:22.07 | KM0201 | if it doesn't, it's not so easy |
| 19:22.26 | c0fe | So LVM is really just to have virtual disks? |
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| 19:22.31 | abrotman | KM0201: "it's easy if it recognizes your disk controller" ... yeah, duh |
| 19:22.59 | KM0201 | wireless devices are considerably more tricky than disk controller, so that's an absurd analogy |
| 19:23.09 | abrotman | Today they are, try 15 years ago |
| 19:23.18 | KM0201 | well, we're not 15yrs ago |
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| 19:23.28 | KM0201 | he didn't ask for a history lesson |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | obviuosly if your hardware isn't supported it makes it hard. use the installer image with firmware |
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| 19:26.48 | ansch | anyone know how i can list the default keysyms/keybinds used in urvt? |
| 19:27.21 | ansch | urxvt |
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| 19:30.22 | GJdan | damnit, was messing with python and now samba shares all get an input/output error when mounting... |
| 19:30.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps, i messed up the permissions on my sudo command how do i get it back to this ? -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 115076 Feb 16 12:08 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 19:31.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess thate the stick bit? just chmod u+s? |
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| 19:31.44 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: man chmod |
| 19:32.16 | GJdan | having trouble figuring out what input/output error even means :\ |
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| 19:33.01 | c0fe | GJdan: it means that there is an error in input and output :P |
| 19:33.35 | c0fe | GJdan: it usually just means hardware issues |
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| 19:35.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope thats not helping abrotman |
| 19:36.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a capital S not a lower care now |
| 19:36.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | case |
| 19:36.45 | c0fe | Is it possible to get a working TUI on Debian 8.1? |
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| 19:37.47 | nkuttler | c0fe: certainly |
| 19:38.06 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: then you did it wrong .. try again |
| 19:38.12 | abrotman | c0fe: TUI for what? |
| 19:39.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | chmod u+s /usr/bin/sudo |
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| 19:40.26 | ibouvousaime | will the netinstall of an old version work ? |
| 19:40.56 | abrotman | how old? |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | and still over wireless? |
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| 19:42.56 | ibouvousaime | I nedd one which iso will be smaller than 128 mb |
| 19:43.00 | ibouvousaime | need* |
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| 19:43.35 | m82labs | Hey all. If I create an img file for the purposes of created an ecrypted loopback filesystem, is there a good way to expand it in the future if I need to? |
| 19:43.42 | KM0201 | ibouvousaime: i'm not sure there is one.. the netinst image is about 200mb i think |
| 19:43.44 | m82labs | created/creating |
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| 19:45.02 | epsilon | m82labs: mount -o loop to mount the image. then whatever to decrypt on it, like luks-open |
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| 19:45.13 | abrotman | ibouvousaime: you really can't get a larger USB drive? |
| 19:45.17 | abrotman | they cost like $5 |
| 19:45.31 | ibouvousaime | not right now |
| 19:45.50 | m82labs | epsilon, I am wondering though, how would I expand the size of the file if I needed to in the future? |
| 19:46.22 | KM0201 | isn't there a way (and it's been a while since i tried it).. but to create a small bootable partition on an internal hard drive, put the ISO there, boot it, then install to the same internal hard drive? i seem to remember reading that somewhere |
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| 19:48.08 | KM0201 | ibouvousaime: i take it there's no possible way to burn a CD? |
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| 19:48.48 | c0fe | nkuttler: is there one out there or would I have to design my own? i just want debian management rather using CLI for everything |
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| 19:49.23 | nkuttler | c0fe: debian management? |
| 19:49.49 | c0fe | nkuttler: yes, restart, format a disk, check disks etc |
| 19:50.34 | KM0201 | c0fe: i don't really understand your question |
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| 19:50.47 | abrotman | I think he wants like the RHEL/CentOS tools |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | to setup network/dns/etc |
| 19:51.01 | KM0201 | oh ok |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | I think? |
| 19:51.22 | c0fe | basically i want to setup a static ip not via CLI or GUI but via TUI |
| 19:51.27 | c0fe | or format a HDD |
| 19:51.33 | c0fe | or check and set hosts |
| 19:51.36 | c0fe | things like that |
| 19:51.51 | VT220 | Learning to use the shell and having a base knowledge of Unix-like systems is a tool that can be used categorically |
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| 19:52.12 | DK-HaZe | Hi all, I have a small problem, I have tried to open some ports for a certin IP adress but the ports remain closed no matter what I do. Have anyone tried something like this before? Port 80is open but I cannot et access to port 20-22 |
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| 19:52.59 | abrotman | c0fe: no, doesn't exist |
| 19:53.03 | DK-HaZe | or any other ports I set as open |
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| 19:55.32 | abrotman | DK-HaZe: a) which OS is this? b) what have you tried to "open" them? |
| 19:56.34 | DK-HaZe | abrotman, no matter what OS I use the port on the router remains closed even if I assign open ports for the IP Range I use |
| 19:57.38 | DK-HaZe | I have contacted the provider of the internet, but they say that the ports are open, but when I test it out none other then the port 80 is opened |
| 19:58.35 | ompaul | bad port forwarding via the network device - are you running the router in bridged mode or are you natted |
| 19:59.07 | DK-HaZe | No |
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| 19:59.24 | ompaul | I know I asked the question badly by saying OR |
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| 19:59.31 | ompaul | so what is the no for? |
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| 20:00.03 | DK-HaZe | 2 sec I need my dictionary :) |
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| 20:02.16 | DK-HaZe | ompaul i'm not entirely sure what natted is, but I have set up static IP Addresses for the systems I need to use frequently.. But else I have a standard Router setup |
| 20:02.40 | abrotman | standard router? or home router? |
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| 20:03.06 | ompaul | DK-HaZe: standard router does not exist, please define your answer with a make and model please. |
| 20:03.44 | DK-HaZe | Home router Zyxel vmg8924-b10a |
| 20:03.53 | ompaul | suspects a regular home dsl router, and it's got a firewall which needs some attention |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | enterprise grade, clearly |
| 20:04.25 | ompaul | abrotman: if the enterprise is a house? |
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| 20:05.40 | DK-HaZe | its just a bit weird as I once had a week where all ports were open and worked and suddenly it didn't on they same router. |
| 20:05.59 | DK-HaZe | they = the |
| 20:06.11 | ompaul | DK-HaZe: so you need to nat the port so that it appears on the inside of the firewall AND is directed to your machine which is running the service (by ip address unless you have all DNS and everything else set up - I suggest you prove it with ip address) |
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| 20:06.45 | ompaul | DK-HaZe: home routers are notorious, reboots help as does complete factory reset and rebuild as you want it. |
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| 20:08.06 | ompaul | DK-HaZe: if you run nmap against the machine or netstat you can see what ports are open on the PC acting as a server, and then in summary this is not a Debian problem, we don't typically know how each and every piece of hardware works. :) |
| 20:08.13 | ttyS0 | You could always delegate an old machine as a router :) that's what I did because as ompaul said consumer routing hardware is usually severely limited |
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| 20:08.41 | ompaul | and falls over regularlly |
| 20:08.49 | ompaul | breaking in new and interesting ways |
| 20:08.51 | abrotman | and gets reset |
| 20:09.32 | ttyS0 | I was sad to see the cisco branded linksys routers |
| 20:09.45 | ompaul | points at the manual and regrets that's where he is going to leave it as that is a rabbit warren he doesn't want to get anywhere nere |
| 20:09.47 | ompaul | near |
| 20:09.48 | DK-HaZe | thanks you |
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| 20:10.37 | abrotman | or ask #networking |
| 20:10.53 | DK-HaZe | I'll try resetting the router later and starting from scratch, if this does not help maybe I will make a RPi if it is powerfull enough as router? if not I'll find some old PC as router. |
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| 20:11.23 | DK-HaZe | abrotman I was looking for that one just couldn't remember the right name :) thanks |
| 20:11.34 | ttyS0 | Also most consumer hardware doesn't support IPv6 which is a deal breaker for me |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | ttyS0: you're using hte wrong stuff |
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| 20:14.16 | ttyS0 | I haven't had a consumer grade router in years so maybe my knowledge of the hardware is not the best |
| 20:14.16 | c0fe | what DE was discontinued? LXDE or LXCE? |
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| 20:14.59 | c0fe | XFCE* |
| 20:15.29 | ibouvousaime | "findmnt: command not found" where can I find it ? |
| 20:15.45 | ttyS0 | I believe that LXDE is creating a QT based DE based on the work by RazorQT |
| 20:16.02 | abrotman | ttyS0: heck, even the stuff the larger ISPs rent can do IPv6 now |
| 20:17.14 | ttyS0 | abrotman: unfortunately my ISP doesn't do native IPv6 so I have a tunnel from Hurricane Electric |
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| 20:19.07 | doudou | have lastest debian distrib a pcspkr module by default? |
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| 20:20.08 | abrotman | ttyS0: get a new ISP :) |
| 20:20.19 | abrotman | doudou: you can look pretty easily |
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| 20:24.03 | ttyS0 | abrotman: I plan on it :D |
| 20:28.04 | doudou | abrotman you are here from new century i beleive, when this module started to be installed by default? |
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| 20:30.53 | doudou | abrotman: i remmzmber you long before ubuntu for example, you answered so many questions, can you tell when this beeping module started to be installed, and why? |
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| 20:33.47 | doudou | theMill do you know when? |
| 20:34.11 | GJdan | c0fe: lovely, thanks. Now what do I do about it :\ suppose I could just rebuild the whole damn system from scratch :( |
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| 20:35.24 | doudou | when, who, what for? |
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| 20:46.58 | abrotman | doudou: if you odn't want it, blacklist it |
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| 20:48.01 | doudou | abrotman: i am more interested by answer to who would want it and why |
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| 20:48.21 | Immanuel | hi |
| 20:50.06 | abrotman | doudou: there are plenty of reasons to want it |
| 20:50.14 | abrotman | audible feedback is very useful |
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| 20:51.33 | doudou | abrotman well how can i consider them? |
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| 20:52.32 | OerHeks | pcspeaker is always on, not sure about attached speakers. good reason to use it. |
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| 20:53.11 | abrotman | doudou: what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 20:54.17 | Frogging101-chan | All the Jessie release note PDFs are broken http://i.imgur.com/cqUfnpq.png |
| 20:54.27 | Frogging101-chan | just a heads up |
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| 20:54.49 | Aky | hello all |
| 20:55.12 | doudou | abrotman problem is you gave me not even one reason, my main reason why it should be remove it is noisy stressing and with no respect to users |
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| 20:55.44 | doudou | abrotman some of pavlov formating tool |
| 20:56.14 | ompaul | Frogging101-chan: suggest you file a bug against it :) |
| 20:56.42 | doudou | abrotman so why such a tool is choosen by default to so many users unable to blacklist it? |
| 20:57.53 | ompaul | doudou: if you don't want it file a bug, it's been in the linux kernel for years, however in recent generations hardware does a great job of going beep without it directly |
| 20:58.31 | ryouma | what are the columns in lsmod output? |
| 20:58.52 | ryouma | does 0 mean disabled somehow? my pcspkr is 0 there. i managed to turn off beeping in all of my applications, somehow. probably the linux console still beeps though. so maybe the module is still working. |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | doudou: what is *your* problem with the module? |
| 20:58.59 | doudou | ompaul i am sorry maybe i did not noticed that my computers had no speakers for years in fact |
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| 20:59.25 | doudou | abrotman it is noisy stressing and with no respect to users |
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| 20:59.34 | doudou | abrotman some of pavlov formating tool |
| 20:59.34 | abrotman | doudou: I already told you to black list it .. if you need to know how to do that, just ask |
| 20:59.43 | abrotman | instead, you're doing your normal nosensne |
| 20:59.44 | doudou | abrotman so why such a tool is choosen by default to so many users unable to blacklist it? |
| 20:59.44 | abrotman | nonsense |
| 20:59.56 | abrotman | doudou: do you want to know how to blacklist it or not ? |
| 21:00.30 | doudou | abrotman do you want to remove it by default or not? |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | ... |
| 21:00.50 | doudou | ... |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | This is why you keep getting banned |
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| 21:01.47 | doudou | abrotman you should not have responsabilities upon people, you choices are nonsense noisy like this module |
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| 21:02.13 | Immanuel | o.o |
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| 21:03.36 | red_ | whats up guys? |
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| 21:07.34 | cyph3x | hey logic |
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| 21:12.07 | cyph3x | logicalrock, sup |
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| 21:30.57 | warsh | it is possible to be able to get better than poor 2D/3D performance on a AMD GPU without installing non-free drivers? |
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| 21:32.16 | abrotman | you mean the firmware, or the fgrlx? |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | warsh: ? |
| 21:33.34 | warsh | I've installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati and I'm still limited to 800x600 resolution |
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| 21:33.54 | abrotman | so, you can install the radeon firmware |
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| 21:34.45 | abrotman | warsh: it's in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 21:34.55 | dvs | from non-free |
| 21:35.23 | warsh | abrotman: so, there isn't a way to do it without including non-free software, huh |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | Not AFAIK |
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| 21:36.48 | warsh | well damn, that kinda sucks |
| 21:36.55 | abrotman | but intel? :) |
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| 21:37.42 | warsh | there's also the novena board, which looks rather interesting |
| 21:38.03 | abrotman | buy, not but |
| 21:38.46 | valdyn | warsh: theres (almost) always non-free firmware involved. Being in a seperate package makes it more obvious, not less free. |
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| 21:42.49 | monsterco | I am on a debian server - has many messages.gz files. I want to know how many time this server was restart in the past 2 months. What command can I run to know this quickly with grep? |
| 21:43.00 | monsterco | I don't want to open each and every messages files |
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| 21:46.53 | OerHeks | monsterco, uprecords tool ( from utimed) could show you this , or 'last | grep reboot' |
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| 21:47.20 | valdyn | last seems to rotate once per month |
| 21:47.34 | OerHeks | valdyn, oops you are right |
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| 21:49.27 | monsterco | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | monsterco: zgrep |
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| 21:50.13 | monsterco | no work |
| 21:50.23 | valdyn | monsterco: you can try: 'zgrep "Calibrating delay loop" /var/log/messages*gz' or find something else that is logged every time you boot (and only then) |
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| 21:51.17 | monsterco | thanks everyone |
| 21:51.27 | dvs | how many times? |
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| 22:01.21 | netdemon | hi |
| 22:01.24 | netdemon | to all |
| 22:01.32 | ansch | hi |
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| 22:07.41 | neldogz | hi, I just installed Debian with the Mate desktop. Subsequently I upgraded to stretch and installed mate-tweak however it appears GNOME2 is the only panel available to select from. Anyone know how to get additional panels installed? |
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| 22:09.38 | Aky | hello all |
| 22:09.54 | neldogz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.59 | srg | Can anyone recommend some software to do CAD/3D modeling? I don't need anything complicated - I'm just building a desk and would like to model it. |
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| 22:11.35 | c0fe | srg: i always go with autodesk |
| 22:12.01 | srg | I didn't think that was FOSS |
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| 22:12.28 | c0fe | srg: its not, i just have not used anything that was FOSS and regarding CAD that was reasonable |
| 22:12.37 | c0fe | you can try FreeCAD |
| 22:12.38 | srg | (did I forget to mention that? I meant FOSS software for debian) |
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| 22:12.56 | srg | Ok, I'll check out FreeCAD. Thanks! |
| 22:13.36 | abrotman | srg: /win 6 |
| 22:13.39 | abrotman | ignore |
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| 22:16.00 | Wally | https://www.dropbox.com/s/4zwmm3wv0lektwj/Screenshot%202015-07-11%2021.54.03.png?dl=0 Can someone explain why there's no submenus appearing? |
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| 22:17.28 | valdyn | Wally: that list of games looks like a submenu |
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| 22:17.42 | Wally | There's supposed to be additional submenus per category ;) |
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| 22:18.02 | testingmystuff | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQMNLLMKPJ4 |
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| 22:18.21 | Wally | Categories=Game;StrategyGame for example |
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| 22:18.39 | Wally | StrategyGame should have it's own folder. |
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| 22:20.06 | droid909 | guys, in order to receive my ssl certificate i need to receive email to admin@my_domain do i realy have to mess with all the postfix stuff installation? |
| 22:20.18 | abrotman | droid909: you can create an alias |
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| 22:21.15 | droid909 | abrotman: at gmail like service? |
| 22:21.37 | valdyn | droid909: you need to proof that you own the domain |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | droid909: wherever your domain is hosted |
| 22:22.04 | valdyn | droid909: now if you use a free service, dont expect them to use a method that is hard for them and more convenient for you |
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| 22:23.21 | valdyn | droid909: the postfix setup is easy, its one of the defaults + you adding an admin user or an admin alias |
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| 22:23.51 | droid909 | valdyn: registrator from which i bought domain provides with dns panel, which is very convinient, will that be enough for google to proove that i own the domain? |
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| 22:24.18 | valdyn | droid909: if you can setup postfix and the mx record, sure |
| 22:24.21 | droid909 | i wonder how google tries to check |
| 22:24.56 | droid909 | valdyn: lol, so in order to use gmail with my domain i must already have ms and postfix configured? |
| 22:25.14 | abrotman | MS? |
| 22:25.14 | droid909 | i was trying to avoid it :) |
| 22:25.26 | droid909 | abrotman: MX |
| 22:25.28 | valdyn | droid909: no, in order to get your ssl certificate you need to |
| 22:25.28 | droid909 | abrotman: sorry |
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| 22:25.47 | droid909 | valdyn: i guess there is no way, i have to setup postfix ... |
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| 22:26.04 | abrotman | eh .. /me thinks this is going the wrong way |
| 22:26.05 | droid909 | i wanted this box to be clean from what it don't need |
| 22:26.17 | droid909 | abrotman: got better idea? |
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| 22:26.20 | valdyn | droid909: handing your mail over to google of course requires you to set the mx record too though |
| 22:27.00 | valdyn | droid909: you are so far conflating 2 things: ssl certificate and google mail for your domain. Im slightly confused on what exactly you need help with. |
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| 22:27.07 | droid909 | valdyn: mx record isn't a problem, but if their verification involves receiving email on this domain then it is a problem |
| 22:28.03 | valdyn | droid909: i dont think it does |
| 22:28.37 | droid909 | valdyn: to confirm that i own domain to ssl company i must receive email for admin@my_domain, i was just trying to avoid installing postfix to receive the email, i thought maybe i could avoid installing postfix by using gmials (your damain feauture) |
| 22:29.04 | valdyn | droid909: so step 1) give your mail to google |
| 22:29.17 | valdyn | droid909: and step 2) recieve the ssl mail on google |
| 22:29.26 | valdyn | droid909: there - skipped setting up postfix |
| 22:29.45 | droid909 | valdyn: unless googles verification involves receiving an email too :) |
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| 22:29.55 | valdyn | droid909: it does not |
| 22:30.00 | droid909 | great :D |
| 22:30.06 | droid909 | valdyn: thank you will try now |
| 22:30.12 | valdyn | droid909: you just set the mx record, thats plenty proof |
| 22:30.25 | droid909 | good, can do dat |
| 22:30.26 | droid909 | :D |
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| 22:41.31 | s7r | what is the best way to request a package update? |
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| 22:42.18 | Wally | s7r you got some changes to push upstream? |
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| 22:43.05 | s7r | Wally what do you mean? |
| 22:43.17 | Wally | What do you mean by request package update? |
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| 22:43.27 | s7r | I want to request a package to be updated, because it just doesn't work in a secure way any more. |
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| 22:43.47 | s7r | Wally https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/electrum |
| 22:43.50 | Wally | Yeah i'm not familiar with the process there |
| 22:43.58 | emunah | i want to know every single thing a friend is doing on my computer, how can i find out? is there a way i can video record or screen capture everything they are doing? |
| 22:44.17 | Wally | emunah No: For a start there's laws against that. |
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| 22:44.44 | emunah | i suspect he's doing some suspiscious stuff |
| 22:44.58 | Wally | emunah Just ask your friend. |
| 22:45.08 | emunah | he could lie to me |
| 22:45.15 | Wally | So you haven't even asked him yet. |
| 22:45.16 | emunah | then conver his tracks |
| 22:45.18 | emunah | no |
| 22:45.20 | Wally | ... |
| 22:45.25 | Wally | What do you suspect? |
| 22:45.48 | emunah | i think he surfed porn |
| 22:46.07 | emunah | and went through some of my emails because i was still logged in to my account |
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| 22:46.32 | emunah | is there no tool i can use to record what ppl do on my pc? |
| 22:47.19 | Wally | Yes there is.. but it's immoral |
| 22:47.24 | Wally | Just ask your friend. |
| 22:47.38 | emunah | i also have a few files that had personal information like billing and a couple password unfortunately |
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| 22:48.06 | Wally | emunah and you stored them in plain text? hahahaha |
| 22:48.20 | Wally | s7r wanna request our friend emunah be updated for security patches too? |
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| 22:48.31 | emunah | yeah one was to my 401k account probably the most important one i had on file |
| 22:48.41 | Wally | anyway s7r the debian build of that app is quite old. |
| 22:49.09 | Wally | maybe try and compile it here https://electrum.org/#download |
| 22:49.37 | s7r | Wally indeed. and the problem is that it doesn't work securely any more......... |
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| 22:49.48 | s7r | because the network switched to v3 blocks which the older app deosn't know about .. |
| 22:49.52 | s7r | we don't want debian users to be vulnerable do we |
| 22:50.02 | s7r | I just don't know who to mail or where to open a ticket regarding this |
| 22:50.05 | emunah | well i removed all my files and now i log out of my email when i leave |
| 22:50.28 | emunah | i still want to know for sure he's doing anything suspiscious when he uses my pc |
| 22:50.34 | Wally | emunah I'm not going to be responsible for your negliance. |
| 22:50.36 | Wally | It's your friend. |
| 22:50.48 | Wally | Tell him to bring his own PC. |
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| 22:53.02 | s7r | can you send me in private his email address so I may send an email? |
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| 22:55.15 | lunario_ | why is it that there are no iptables in my /etc folder but in /sbin? |
| 22:55.26 | lunario_ | has the folder changed in debian 8? |
| 22:55.43 | dvs | ??? |
| 22:55.43 | emunah | exit |
| 22:56.04 | dvs | lunario_: The iptables in the /sbin directory is an executable |
| 22:56.22 | lunario_ | i see. do i have to save my own iptables in /etc? |
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| 22:56.38 | dvs | yes, this will help |
| 22:56.47 | dvs | !info iptable-persistant |
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| 22:57.00 | dvs | ,v iptable-persistant |
| 22:57.01 | judd | No package named 'iptable-persistant' was found in amd64. |
| 22:57.07 | dvs | ,v iptable-persistent |
| 22:57.09 | judd | No package named 'iptable-persistent' was found in amd64. |
| 22:57.12 | dvs | grrr |
| 22:57.16 | s7r | Wally ? |
| 22:57.21 | Wally | s7r wat |
| 22:57.45 | dvs | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 22:57.46 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7; sid: 1.0.3; jessie: 1.0.3; stretch: 1.0.3 |
| 22:57.49 | dvs | yay |
| 22:57.52 | s7r | want to update that port |
| 22:58.01 | Wally | s7r: No. |
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| 22:58.06 | Wally | I don't BTC |
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| 23:00.36 | Wally | So it's not my problem |
| 23:01.24 | s7r | very nice |
| 23:01.26 | s7r | :D |
| 23:01.45 | s7r | that's your way of saying that you're dumb and you actually don't know? :) |
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| 23:01.52 | Wally | ... |
| 23:02.01 | Wally | No that's my way of saying, Do it yourself. |
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| 23:02.22 | Wally | s/it/research it |
| 23:02.58 | Wally | :) |
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| 23:06.55 | welpo | s7r: Why not report it as a bug? |
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| 23:09.55 | Wally | or learn to compile., package and upload ;) |
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| 23:11.21 | welpo | You can include the patch for bug reports too, if you have one |
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| 23:30.47 | neldogz | hi, I just installed Debian with the Mate desktop. Subsequently I upgraded to stretch and installed mate-tweak however it appears GNOME2 is the only panel available to select from. Anyone know how to get additional panels installed? |
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| 23:38.28 | droid909 | guys where to get free ssl cert for testing https? |
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| 23:41.29 | andril | hello |
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| 23:42.03 | andril | i need n00b help putting a program in autostart pls, gnome3 |
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| 23:42.41 | hassoon | andril: launcher > write startup > there you go |
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| 23:45.51 | dersquisher | droid909, you can generate a self-signed certificate for testing. You can do that on the same machine, no need to use a real ssl certificate. |
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| 23:46.57 | droid909 | dersquisher: tell it to facebook api |
| 23:47.02 | andril | hassoon, not finding it sorry |
| 23:47.13 | droid909 | dersquisher: but thanks |
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| 23:57.38 | seoner | root@server:~# Write failed: Broken pipe |
| 23:57.40 | seoner | what does it mean? |
| 23:57.57 | beepie | seoner, usually means something related to networking |
| 23:58.33 | seoner | beepie: like what? |
| 23:58.40 | beepie | seoner, like tcp |
| 23:58.55 | droid909 | seoner: buy a new pipe |
| 23:58.59 | beepie | seoner, or it can possibly be a unix stream |
| 23:59.35 | hassoon | andril: not finding what |
