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| 00:01.47 | andril | hassoon, launcher |
| 00:02.17 | hassoon | andril: it's in the top left corner |
| 00:02.27 | hassoon | just hover your mouse over that point |
| 00:02.45 | hassoon | am i getting you wrong? because i'm feeling that's too easy to be even an issue |
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| 00:04.06 | beepie | top left corner? lol |
| 00:04.12 | beepie | that's kinda trivial |
| 00:04.21 | andril | hassoon, ok i wrote "startup" and browser opens |
| 00:04.34 | andril | i follow |
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| 00:05.29 | hassoon | beepie: what. |
| 00:05.55 | hassoon | andril: yeah, type whatever you want, and the gnome interface will search for you |
| 00:06.33 | andril | hassoon, ok no startup |
| 00:06.42 | beepie | sounds like mouse-sense |
| 00:06.56 | hassoon | andril: you want to add start-up programs? |
| 00:07.17 | andril | yes conky to start up |
| 00:07.29 | beepie | i hear conky too much, i think it's so overrated |
| 00:07.44 | hassoon | andril: hung on, lemme open gnome, i'm in i3 |
| 00:07.54 | andril | beepie, mine is nice |
| 00:07.55 | hassoon | i'm sure there is an easy way to do it in a config file or something though |
| 00:08.19 | andril | hassoon, i3 sounds advanced |
| 00:08.33 | hassoon | andril: yeah, i use it, and nothing is advanced between us |
| 00:08.35 | andril | i like openbox |
| 00:08.43 | beepie | i like trinity desktop |
| 00:08.54 | beepie | though i don't think it's officially yet in debian |
| 00:09.01 | beepie | haha |
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| 00:09.13 | andril | you guys are jedi |
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| 00:10.27 | hassoon | andril, okey.. |
| 00:10.39 | hassoon | tweak tool |
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| 00:11.12 | hassoon | choose it, then click the startup programs submenu |
| 00:11.18 | hassoon | * sub-menu |
| 00:11.50 | andril | i3 looks like hackerish feel i want |
| 00:12.16 | hassoon | andril, yeah try it, it's yet easy to learn/manage |
| 00:12.27 | hassoon | it just uses one config file |
| 00:12.44 | hassoon | but most of other twm's use a programming language or something, for the tweaking |
| 00:12.48 | hassoon | afaik |
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| 00:14.54 | hassoon | you guys it's like gnome likes debian |
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| 00:15.14 | hassoon | dunno it's like they are made for each other |
| 00:15.33 | beepie | oO |
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| 00:16.40 | beepie | now that's totally #debian-offtopic ! |
| 00:16.43 | beepie | ha! |
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| 00:20.14 | hassoon | beepie, what ? |
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| 00:33.51 | sigdk | hi. I want to download a debian iso (I ll have no internet during install). Is the first iso DVD enough ? There are 3 of them available to download |
| 00:34.07 | AvocetVIS | yes, it's enough for most people |
| 00:34.15 | beepie | sigdk, just the 1st is enough |
| 00:34.23 | beepie | sigdk, CD1 or DVD1 |
| 00:34.42 | rootd00d | huh. just found netcat running on my box. |
| 00:34.45 | sigdk | and one more question. I chose the testing version. Will also the sources.list be with the testing configuration ? |
| 00:35.08 | beepie | sigdk, jessie just came out ending of april if i recall, so it's still relatively recent |
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| 00:35.17 | beepie | sigdk, got updated again to 8.1 |
| 00:36.16 | beepie | sigdk, you can copy a sample from /usr/share/apt/examples, i'd then do -> apt-get update, apt-get install netselect-apt, netselect-apt -c <country> to find the closest repo |
| 00:37.15 | sigdk | i found a nice repo-generator online |
| 00:37.27 | sigdk | are these good ? any experience ? |
| 00:37.44 | beepie | yo said no net :p |
| 00:37.49 | sigdk | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 00:38.15 | sigdk | well, at some point I'll get |
| 00:38.29 | beepie | sigdk, that tool i mention will generate repo lines |
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| 00:38.35 | srg | sigdk: yeah that's ok. it's really simple enough without it though. |
| 00:38.42 | sigdk | I deffinitely wont have ethernet and I don't know how easy is to configure wifi during installation |
| 00:38.45 | beepie | sigdk, (but it may be missing non-free and backports) |
| 00:39.03 | beepie | sigdk, uh |
| 00:39.27 | srg | sigdk: Plus, I think httpredir.debian.org is recommended now |
| 00:39.30 | beepie | sigdk, if your wifi requires firmware(proprietary) blobs it won't be avail during install, but there's a "debian-live" which includes non-free |
| 00:39.35 | srg | instead of hardcoding a mirror. |
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| 00:40.24 | beepie | sigdk, if you look on the kernel wifi wiki you can see if it'll be supported during install |
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| 00:41.45 | sigdk | btw, the laptop will have a windows pre-installed. can I resize and create a partition during install with the debian iso I'm currently downloading ? |
| 00:42.00 | beepie | that's a nice tool (httpdir) |
| 00:42.03 | sigdk | preferably, I wouldn;t like to overwrite windows |
| 00:42.19 | beepie | but it doesn't choose the fastest mirror |
| 00:42.34 | beepie | nor show the top 2 fastest mirrors where i'm located (i tried its demo) |
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| 00:50.18 | seoner | ps -ef|grep bitcoind |
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| 00:50.26 | seoner | what is this command do? |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | it will show you the PID of the processes fruning that match the grep |
| 00:50.52 | dvs | seoner: Sees if bitcoind process is runnig |
| 00:51.19 | seoner | dvs |
| 00:51.20 | seoner | ps aux|grep bitcoind |
| 00:51.22 | seoner | and this one? |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | same |
| 00:51.31 | dvs | same thing |
| 00:51.36 | dvs | different info |
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| 00:53.55 | sigdk | so, if I already have a windows partition that spawns across the whole disk, and I chose to resize it... what happens with the data it carries ? In my case there won't be any data cause it's a fresh new laptop. Will the resize brake anything at windows filesystem ? |
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| 00:54.33 | beepie | sigdk, back it up first |
| 00:54.43 | beepie | sigdk, that's the golden rule for any os installation |
| 00:55.35 | beepie | sigdk, you can use free tools available like clonezilla (there's also aomei's so "free" backup tool) |
| 00:55.37 | seoner | dvs thanks |
| 00:55.59 | dvs | no prob |
| 00:56.51 | sigdk | beepie, thanks for all help |
| 00:58.20 | beepie | sigdk, once you do that, preferably the installer offers to resize "ntfs" (i don't recall which installers offer this though) -- the alternative is to use gparted-live iso and partition it manually (gplive iso can also resize ntfs if I'm no incorrect -- but backup your disk first) |
| 00:59.09 | rootd00d | ls |
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| 00:59.36 | beepie | sigdk, you can practice partitioning with virtualbox ;-) |
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| 01:06.42 | seoner | how do i check how many CPU i have? |
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| 01:06.55 | abrotman | seoner: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:07.27 | abrotman | seoner: or 'mpstat -P ALL' |
| 01:07.46 | seoner | bash: mpstat: command not found |
| 01:08.10 | seoner | i am using VPS. how could i see how many CPU cores i have? |
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| 01:08.31 | abrotman | run top, press '1' |
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| 01:08.42 | Equa | seoner: lscpu |
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| 01:09.33 | seoner | Equa: what should i looking for? CPU family:? |
| 01:09.48 | seoner | CPU(s): 32 |
| 01:09.51 | seoner | CPU family: 6 |
| 01:09.51 | seoner | Model: 44 |
| 01:09.51 | seoner | Stepping: 2 |
| 01:09.52 | Equa | seoner: CPU9s): X |
| 01:10.11 | seoner | i couldnt have 32 CPUs? |
| 01:10.20 | Equa | seoner: so you have 32 |
| 01:10.26 | AvocetVIS | lol |
| 01:10.31 | dvs | seoner: you have 32 cores |
| 01:10.34 | abrotman | It's a VPS |
| 01:10.43 | seoner | dvs: not possible |
| 01:10.47 | dvs | ... |
| 01:10.54 | seoner | i need to know what is enabled for my VPS? |
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| 01:10.57 | dvs | buys a clue |
| 01:11.00 | beepie | seoner, you're rich but you don't know it XD |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | is pretty sure you get what you pay for? |
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| 01:12.14 | seoner | no |
| 01:12.17 | seoner | i should use |
| 01:12.19 | seoner | kerframil |
| 01:12.22 | seoner | sorry |
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| 01:12.40 | seoner | nproc |
| 01:12.44 | seoner | is the command? right? |
| 01:12.52 | seoner | to see my CPUs? |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | and please, stop hitting your enter key every fourth word |
| 01:13.35 | seoner | nproc |
| 01:13.35 | seoner | 4 |
| 01:13.48 | AvocetVIS | nproc seems to actually speak in terms of threads.. |
| 01:14.11 | AvocetVIS | but, of course, some cpus have 4 cores and.. just four threads |
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| 01:23.49 | dgriffi | has anyone ever checked to see if libmagickwand-dev actually works? I'm getting cascades of being unable to find this header or that header... turns out that the install put them in funny places that the files themselves don't know about. |
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| 01:31.47 | Abbott | can you guys help me figure out what is going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XkGAjyFt |
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| 01:34.37 | Brigo | Abbott, what is that plexmediaserver? |
| 01:34.51 | Abbott | yes |
| 01:35.00 | dvs | ?? |
| 01:35.10 | Brigo | Abbott, i cannot find it in debian |
| 01:35.36 | dvs | Brigo: Because it isn't in Debian. It has it's own repo |
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| 01:35.52 | Brigo | dvs, ok |
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| 01:36.18 | Brigo | Abbott, did you make that unit file or is systemd automaticaly generated? |
| 01:36.39 | Abbott | systemd is automatically generated |
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| 01:36.59 | Brigo | i think the problem are the environment variables -at least-. |
| 01:37.11 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.44 | Brigo | it try to read two environment variables, PLEX_MEDIA_SERVER_APPLICATION_SUPPORT_DIR and PLEX_MEDIA_SERVER_APPLICATION_SUPPORT_DIR |
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| 01:38.05 | Brigo | and they aren't defined in the unit file -i guess- |
| 01:38.35 | Abbott | I found $PLEX_MEDIA_SERVER_APPLICATION_SUPPORT_DIR to be /var/lib/plexmediaserver/Application\ Support according to /etc/default/plexmediaserver |
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| 01:38.57 | Abbott | however i did notice that there are two services listed under `sudo service --status-all` and I thin kthat is causing a problem |
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| 01:39.26 | Abbott | one is plexmediaserver and the other is plexmediaserver.dpkg-bak |
| 01:39.53 | Abbott | which seems problematic. I know there is a systemctl command that will remove it, but how can i remove all the files associated with this backup too? |
| 01:40.00 | Abbott | or is that situation specific |
| 01:40.01 | wsky | btw |
| 01:40.06 | Brigo | Abbott, that is because there are a plexmediaserver.dpkg-bak file in /etc/init.d. remove it. |
| 01:40.08 | wsky | what is this botnet doing here again |
| 01:40.17 | wsky | it's not even a botnet |
| 01:40.21 | wsky | 03:39:04 -!- agie [~agie@58.177.100.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #debian |
| 01:40.23 | wsky | this |
| 01:40.28 | wsky | i see this of quite a few channels |
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| 01:40.40 | wsky | well most certainly it's a bot |
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| 01:40.49 | beepie | wsky, tell on #freenode |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | there are dozens here |
| 01:41.11 | wsky | well but only one spambot |
| 01:41.16 | wsky | and again |
| 01:41.26 | abrotman | hasn't spammed me .. is there a trigger? |
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| 01:41.35 | abrotman | oh, it's not here |
| 01:41.38 | wsky | it's spamming quit?joins |
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| 01:41.42 | abrotman | it's not here |
| 01:41.45 | blackjack | hello guys. how to update adoble flash on debian 7.8? |
| 01:41.46 | wsky | quit/joins |
| 01:41.58 | OerHeks | :-) |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | blackjack: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 01:42.09 | Brigo | blackjack, try update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:42.09 | beepie | wsky, type /quit |
| 01:42.09 | blackjack | in apt-get ? |
| 01:42.22 | wsky | beepie: after you |
| 01:42.35 | blackjack | abrotman, i type 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' on terminal? |
| 01:42.37 | beepie | wsky, show me you're smarter |
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| 01:42.44 | blackjack | or is it apt-get |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | beepie: wsky try /ignore |
| 01:42.52 | beepie | ;p; |
| 01:42.56 | wsky | what for? |
| 01:43.07 | wsky | it's your job to get rid of the spambots |
| 01:43.08 | Brigo | blackjack, in the console, right. |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | blackjack: exactly what I typed |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | wsky: It isn't here .. jesus you're dense |
| 01:43.33 | wsky | welcome to my ignore list |
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| 01:43.40 | beepie | haha |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | beepie: not amusing |
| 01:43.56 | beepie | i told him to complain at #freenode |
| 01:44.07 | beepie | amusing maybe :D |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | the bot isn't here .. what is wrong with both of you |
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| 01:45.15 | kfogel | #math |
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| 01:45.53 | Wally | lol wsky |
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| 01:46.08 | Abbott | Brigo, I removed it. restarting plexmediaserver is still failing. I will check the init.d file and the default file for the environment variables, but what exactly should I look for? My intuition leads me to believe there is a permissions problem when it tries to create the directory |
| 01:46.33 | Abbott | thank you for your help so far btw |
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| 01:52.10 | KM0201 | Abbott: what error do you get when you start plex? |
| 01:53.23 | Abbott | KM0201: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZgvXY64i |
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| 01:54.35 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 01:55.15 | KM0201 | that's jessie, is it not? |
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| 01:56.58 | Abbott | yeah, I'm using jessie |
| 01:57.01 | Brigo | Abbott, i told you the problem. |
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| 01:57.45 | Brigo | the systemd autogenerated unit file is not good enought. You need to build one. |
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| 02:01.01 | KM0201 | Abbott: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=121945 that might help |
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| 02:03.58 | Otyugh | hey. I was wondering why MPD, which is a deamon, requires X11 as dependency |
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| 02:04.03 | Otyugh | do you have any clue ? |
| 02:05.07 | Abbott | KM0201: so right now I'm using System V init scripts to start plex (scripts in /etc/init.d and /etc/default) when I should be using systemd (scripts in /etc/systemd), is that right? Or does it matter which I use? |
| 02:05.14 | beepie | Otyugh, that's odd |
| 02:05.22 | beepie | Otyugh, i used mpd years ago, you shouldn't need x11 |
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| 02:05.45 | beepie | Otyugh, unless you installed something else that is using mpd with another package as both dependencies |
| 02:05.56 | Otyugh | beepie: althought mpd requires it, I'm pretty sure |
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| 02:06.14 | Brigo | Abbott, you should use init scrpit when you are running systemvinit and systemd units when you are running systemd. |
| 02:06.35 | Brigo | you can check it with cat /proc/1/comm |
| 02:07.56 | Otyugh | beepie: Is there a way to force the installation of a package without one of its dependency without bypassing apt-get ? |
| 02:08.28 | beepie | Otyugh, here on jessie mpd doesn't require x11 |
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| 02:09.04 | Otyugh | well maybe not directly |
| 02:09.17 | Otyugh | it may be using some lib depending on x11-common |
| 02:09.18 | beepie | Otyugh, you're installing something else |
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| 02:09.36 | Otyugh | well, is "apt-get install mpd" something else than mpd ? |
| 02:09.50 | Otyugh | Because that's what I'm doing |
| 02:09.54 | beepie | if you added recommends |
| 02:09.59 | smw_ | Hi all, does anyone know how to force apt-get update to work even if there are GPG errors (I understand security implications) |
| 02:10.01 | Otyugh | I didn't |
| 02:10.25 | beepie | Otyugh, The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 02:10.26 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.47 | smw_ | I am getting the standard "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" message and don't have access to the public key I need |
| 02:10.52 | maroloccio | errors: convert: unrecognized color `peachpuff4' <-- what are these? |
| 02:11.10 | beepie | Otyugh, apt-cache show mpd , doesn't show x11 as a dependency, but supposedly if you see x11 somewhere then it's one of those packages wanting x11 rather than mpd |
| 02:11.12 | Abbott | Brigo: that command gave me systemd, but I have a lot of programs that I start with systemvinit and there isn't much in /etc/systemd/system am I using both? Should I still be able to stop start and restart programs with systemvinit if /proc/1/comm is set to systemd? |
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| 02:11.33 | Otyugh | beepie: I'll just pasbin then |
| 02:11.36 | Otyugh | you tell me |
| 02:11.42 | at0m|c | smw_: what repo are you using if you don't have access to the key? |
| 02:11.46 | beepie | Otyugh, too tired :P |
| 02:12.15 | Brigo | Abbott, yes, systemd try to be systemvinit compatible, so if you run service it will do the right thing. |
| 02:12.21 | smw_ | at0m|c, personal repo |
| 02:12.43 | maroloccio | apparently these errors happen elsewhere too (found many links on google) but.. what are they? |
| 02:13.20 | smw_ | at0m|c, trust me, I am doing nothing horribly insecure (using https anyways). But I need to do this without the key |
| 02:14.16 | Otyugh | beepie: x11 is aactually in the "extra package" |
| 02:14.29 | Otyugh | does it means it can be bypassed easely ? |
| 02:14.38 | at0m|c | smw_: aptitude gives a warning on such issue, allows you to disregard it and continue |
| 02:14.40 | Otyugh | http://pastebin.com/3q0r2W1X |
| 02:14.45 | Abbott | Brigo okay that makes sense. So I should make systemd scripts instead of systemvinit to ensure compatibility |
| 02:14.51 | beepie | Otyugh, x11-common? |
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| 02:15.09 | Brigo | Abbott, not, you have to make both :) |
| 02:15.13 | smw_ | at0m|c, nope... doesn't work |
| 02:15.14 | Otyugh | yeah |
| 02:15.16 | beepie | Otyugh, you could have not finished up prior installs and x11-common was a resumed installation |
| 02:15.33 | smw_ | at0m|c, I did sudo aptitude update |
| 02:15.34 | Brigo | systemd try to generate unit files from systemvinit script, but not always works. |
| 02:15.34 | Otyugh | I doubt it, apt-get -f install does nothing |
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| 02:15.48 | beepie | Otyugh, so try removing x11-common with apt-get |
| 02:15.55 | at0m|c | smw_: use full aptitude, not as command line apt |
| 02:16.09 | smw_ | at0m|c, I don't understand |
| 02:16.09 | Otyugh | Package 'x11-common' is not installed, so not removed |
| 02:16.18 | Brigo | Abbott, the link from KM0201 looks promising. |
| 02:16.21 | at0m|c | smw_: sudo aptitude then 'u' to update |
| 02:16.27 | smw_ | ah |
| 02:16.31 | beepie | Otyugh, good you uninstalled it |
| 02:16.38 | beepie | Otyugh, because i did it |
| 02:16.44 | beepie | Otyugh, yw |
| 02:16.48 | beepie | Otyugh, all good |
| 02:17.04 | Abbott | oh so the systemd script will replace the /etc/default script? or do i need /etc/systemd/system /etc/init.d/ and /etc/default |
| 02:17.07 | Otyugh | apwell it asks again to install x11-common when I try mpd |
| 02:17.13 | maroloccio | problem occurs right after: "Processing triggers for menu" |
| 02:17.20 | Abbott | cause the /etc/default script sets all the environment variables, right |
| 02:17.36 | smw_ | at0m|c, nope, not just a warning, it still doesn't work |
| 02:17.41 | Brigo | Abbott, /etc/default isn't a script, it is a debian configuration file for defaults environment variables values. |
| 02:18.05 | at0m|c | smw_: can you manually download the packages then dpkg -i them? |
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| 02:18.24 | Brigo | you will need /etc/init.d/ script if you want to run under systemvinit and the unit file in/etc/systemd/system if you want to run it under systemd. |
| 02:18.43 | smw_ | at0m|c, how do I find the packages.gz? |
| 02:18.58 | beepie | smw_, install the keyring package |
| 02:19.04 | beepie | smw_, that'll fix the gpg warnings |
| 02:19.11 | smw_ | beepie, there isn't one. This is a personal repo |
| 02:19.28 | smw_ | beepie, I want to ignore warnings, there is no other way to do what I want to do :-\ |
| 02:19.41 | beepie | smw_, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:19.54 | beepie | smw_, so use apt-key add your gpg |
| 02:20.00 | smw_ | beepie, as I said, not standard repo |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | smw_: wait, why doesn't it work? You can tell it to continue despite warnings |
| 02:20.03 | smw_ | I don't have the key |
| 02:20.07 | beepie | smw_, "your own" |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | smw_: apt will spit out the key |
| 02:20.12 | beepie | smw_, even if it's local |
| 02:20.27 | smw_ | yes, apt is spitting out the key |
| 02:20.34 | smw_ | I don't have the key or any access to it |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | smw_: okay, so what is it? |
| 02:20.39 | smw_ | it was setup incorrectly |
| 02:21.00 | at0m|c | smw_: apt spits it out, but you don't have it? paradox? |
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| 02:21.04 | smw_ | abrotman, I can't really tell you. What I can tell you is it is signed with a public key I don't have access to :-P |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | smw_: apt pits out the info we need .. what i sit? |
| 02:21.20 | smw_ | at0m|c, apt doesn't spit out the key, it spits out the signature |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | is it |
| 02:21.40 | smw_ | apt spits out NO_PUBKEY 3746C208A7317B0F |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell smw_ about apt-key A7317B0F |
| 02:22.18 | smw_ | they key doesn't exist in any keyservers |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | try to have apt add it from the keyserver |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | WTF repo is this? I wouldn't use it if the admin can't set it up correctly |
| 02:22.35 | smw_ | bangs head against desk |
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| 02:22.50 | smw_ | abrotman, I told you, it is NOT setup correctly and I still want to use it |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | smw_: then just tell apt to ignore the key problems |
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| 02:23.03 | smw_ | abrotman, yes, I am asking how |
| 02:23.04 | abrotman | it asks you if you want to continue anyway |
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| 02:23.14 | smw_ | no, it just says could not do it and continues |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | smw_: show us in paste.debian.net please |
| 02:23.38 | at0m|c | abrotman: yes, told him to sudo aptitude then install and ignore the warning. all i got was "doesn't work" |
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| 02:24.12 | smw_ | at0m|c, it gives the warning, but the warning seems unconnected to what it is doing |
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| 02:25.15 | at0m|c | smw_: aptitude will warn with "continue" or "cancel". select continue and you're installing |
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| 02:25.35 | smw_ | at0m|c, it isn't doing that... it just says it failed with an OK button |
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| 02:26.04 | abrotman | smw_: can you show us with a paste? (also, I wouldn't use the TUI if you can help it, easier to copy/paste) |
| 02:26.36 | smw_ | http://fpaste.org/243598/36754365/ slightly redacted because I really can't give out the repo's location... |
| 02:27.46 | smw_ | gives up and tries to figure out how to manually get the packages.gz file |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | smw_: and yes .. what happens after that? |
| 02:28.01 | smw_ | nothing |
| 02:28.13 | smw_ | abrotman, it isn't used |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | I meant the rest of the prompts |
| 02:28.32 | smw_ | there are none |
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| 02:28.42 | smw_ | it just exits |
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| 02:28.52 | abrotman | smw_: okay, so that's good .. now you can't install the packages? |
| 02:28.58 | smw_ | nope |
| 02:29.16 | beepie | smw_, i've seen repos where there's the public key distributed -- some lazy project wikis don't mention one can download the key manually -- you just have to add the dists path to your repo's url and maybe by chance the admin placed it there |
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| 02:29.43 | abrotman | smw_: and that's what we want to see .. the error when you try to install, plus all input from you |
| 02:29.47 | beepie | smw_, (you can browse with a webbrowser) |
| 02:30.09 | smw_ | beepie, how? How can I figure out where the packages.gz is? |
| 02:30.17 | smw_ | used to know the magic formula |
| 02:30.31 | beepie | smw_, can do it with any repo (99% of the time) |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | smw_: typically, foo.com/debian/dists/jessie/, but it'd be easier if we had the actual URL to monkey with |
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| 02:30.50 | smw_ | ty |
| 02:31.54 | KM0201 | super super super secret |
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| 02:32.33 | KM0201 | my car won't start, but i really don't want to tell you the year, make, or model.. just give me ideas |
| 02:32.52 | dvs | turn the crank? |
| 02:33.03 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 02:34.05 | smw_ | KM0201, ... "hey, I don't know how to start my apt-get car", "sorry, I really can't tell you where I plan to go" :-P |
| 02:34.20 | smw_ | KM0201, I expect to be able to tell apt to ignore gpg errors... |
| 02:34.44 | at0m|c | smw_: you pasted log of updated the package list. now install the packages you want from it. what errors are getting there? that's what we want to know |
| 02:34.50 | at0m|c | not the gpg error on update |
| 02:35.07 | KM0201 | chuckles... anything to justify being paranoid |
| 02:35.08 | smw_ | "Unable to locate package" |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | smw_: have you checked to see if it downloaded the Packages file? |
| 02:35.28 | at0m|c | smw_: then enter repo url and browse it using web browser |
| 02:35.37 | at0m|c | download the package and dpkg -i |
| 02:36.48 | beepie | lol |
| 02:36.52 | smw_ | gives up |
| 02:36.53 | beepie | oh nothing |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | be far easier with the URL, you can msg it to me if oyu want |
| 02:37.01 | smw_ | thanks anyways |
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| 02:37.25 | abrotman | smw_: Has the Packages shown up in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? |
| 02:39.01 | smw_ | abrotman, ah, it has! Ok, I think the repo itself is messed up then. Thanks for the help XD |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | smw_: or you have the wrong package name? :) |
| 02:39.35 | smw_ | no, the repo list is literally empty |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | neat |
| 02:41.10 | beepie | kwql |
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| 02:41.49 | beepie | i'm trying to implement my own xkeyscore, they should package this in debian |
| 02:41.54 | beepie | ha |
| 02:42.07 | beepie | smw_, maybe YOU can package it for me! :D |
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| 02:45.23 | smw_ | abrotman, yay, it works. Thanks for helping me debug. I realize I was not exactly cooperative :-) |
| 02:45.47 | beepie | smw_, let me guess you're the admin that forgot! hahaha |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | smw_: you're trying to obfuscate, I understand, I have to do the same sometimes as part of my work |
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| 02:48.04 | smw_ | beepie, I am the admin that messed up. Not the key thing, that was someone else who I am complaining to ;-) |
| 02:48.16 | beepie | smw_, kewl! |
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| 03:06.36 | Anatta_Chiou | good morning~ |
| 03:06.43 | Anatta_Chiou | bon apitite~ |
| 03:06.50 | Anatta_Chiou | :) |
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| 03:11.51 | BuzzardBuzz | hello :) |
| 03:11.56 | mlrutherford | good morning! |
| 03:12.26 | Anatta_Chiou | haha, it's 11:14 now~ |
| 03:12.46 | dvs | yes, it is: 11:14PM!! |
| 03:13.01 | BuzzardBuzz | i am near chicago, here its 10:14pm |
| 03:13.16 | Anatta_Chiou | wow~ amazing ~ but here is 11:14 AM~ Beijing~ |
| 03:13.32 | Anatta_Chiou | :P |
| 03:13.38 | BuzzardBuzz | cool, we have long distance broadcast, and it even works |
| 03:13.46 | phix | 13:13 here |
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| 03:13.59 | phix | on the 13th |
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| 03:14.18 | BuzzardBuzz | you are from the future |
| 03:14.30 | BuzzardBuzz | or i am stuck in the past |
| 03:14.39 | phix | yup, or you guys have massive lagg |
| 03:14.41 | Anatta_Chiou | lol, r8t~ |
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| 03:16.25 | Anatta_Chiou | so, uh, any programmers here? o |
| 03:16.47 | mlrutherford | All over the place :P |
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| 03:18.15 | Anatta_Chiou | bravo~ :'( |
| 03:20.40 | Anatta_Chiou | it seems that this group is not so active, is it because debian is better for anyone? |
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| 03:36.29 | greenride | Between Nvidia and ATI Radeon, which brand is typically more open source friendly? |
| 03:36.44 | Equa | ATI |
| 03:37.08 | greenride | Within the ATI ecosystem, are certain cards better? |
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| 04:26.03 | Cpuroast | greenride: AMD, ATI no longer exists as a brand :) |
| 04:26.58 | greenride | Cpuroast: I'm noticing that. |
| 04:27.15 | xecycle | `journalctl --user` shows nothing, but (as a privileged user) `journalctl _UID=uid` shows those logs. What to configure here? |
| 04:27.23 | Cpuroast | happened years ago |
| 04:27.27 | KM0201 | AMD/ATI.. might be more open source friendly.. but I personally have found that even though the driver is not open source, the Nvidia drivers work better w/ their devices |
| 04:27.30 | Cpuroast | guess you've been hiding under a rock :) |
| 04:27.37 | KM0201 | (bearing in mind, i've not used AMD/ATI in a while) |
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| 04:28.05 | Cpuroast | yah Nvidia has always had better drivers for Linux and Windows |
| 04:28.33 | KM0201 | Cpuroast: yea.. but if your'e dead set on being open source.. I'd go w/ AMD/ATI. |
| 04:28.41 | Cpuroast | probably |
| 04:28.45 | KM0201 | personally, i could give 3 shits.. i want stuff to work |
| 04:28.52 | Cpuroast | yup |
| 04:29.40 | KM0201 | realtek is another example.. drivers are open source, but they absolutely suck. |
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| 04:30.16 | KM0201 | where some of the broadcoms, the drivers are not open source, but they work excellent... |
| 04:32.13 | da_didi | does anyone know when debian has the latest openssl updates? |
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| 04:34.31 | Cpuroast | I'd take Intel over broadcom any day |
| 04:35.30 | KM0201 | Cpuroast: i totally agree... but i was just using broadcom as an example |
| 04:35.45 | KM0201 | i was gonna use intel, but honestly, i wasn't sure if their drivers were opens ource or not |
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| 04:37.47 | KM0201 | da_didi: not sure if this helps, as i'm not sure what the lastest is, but according to synaptic, Jessie is using 1.0.1k-3 |
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| 04:38.12 | KM0201 | whether that is the most up to date, i have no idea |
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| 04:38.44 | KM0201 | oh you said "when".. not "does"... sorry, if that's not the latest, I have no idea when it will be updated. |
| 04:39.02 | da_didi | i just checked the debian security page without any informations |
| 04:39.10 | da_didi | and i am using wheezy |
| 04:39.27 | da_didi | but i think openssl updates will be also published for wheezy |
| 04:39.28 | KM0201 | well, you can probably backport the jessie version to Wheezy |
| 04:39.49 | da_didi | ok, i will wait |
| 04:39.51 | da_didi | thanks |
| 04:40.22 | xecycle | created /var/log/journal dir, and it worked. never mind |
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| 04:43.16 | SD5FW6E3 | hi. are there printers that will only print the text of a document? |
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| 04:47.36 | no-se | what are the advantages or why someone would choose debian over slackware? |
| 04:48.14 | TheQuestionmark | Where can I find the config for 'reportbug'? Wanna make sure my email is correct. |
| 04:49.59 | TheQuestionmark | no-se: For me, stability, security and a huge userbase that expanded due to Ubuntu's popularity. Then again, I haven't messed around with Slackware in ages. |
| 04:51.11 | SD5FW6E3 | no-se, what distro are you using now? |
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| 04:53.06 | no-se | thanks TheQuestionmark. SD5FW6E3 playing with debian, ubuntu, lubuntu depending on which machine i am. |
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| 04:53.58 | SD5FW6E3 | no-se, what is your goal? |
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| 04:55.59 | no-se | SD5FW6E3: to stick to a version that can provide security and upto date patches in a fair timely amount of time. |
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| 04:57.33 | SD5FW6E3 | no-se, debian would be your choice. depending upon your current position on the learning curve, slackware can be a challange. to really get to know the admin side i'd suggest LFS and the debian handbook. |
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| 04:59.13 | no-se | SD5FW6E3: I learned that debian handles packages in a dependent way, which slackare claim was that it doesn't interfier w other libraries. Well, I am not an expert; I hope the terms are close. |
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| 05:00.14 | no-se | ok, SD5FW6E3. thanks, i will consider that. |
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| 05:00.29 | SD5FW6E3 | debian uses a *.deb package format and APT is the tool that is used to handle packages efficiently. Another tool is aptitude. |
| 05:01.07 | SD5FW6E3 | ubuntu, lubuntu, *untu are debian based |
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| 05:04.08 | SD5FW6E3 | no-se, https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/the-debian-project.html |
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| 05:11.03 | no-se | SD5FW6E3: thanks a lot. I was getting the pdf, and then this :) weechat screen didn't cooperate with me just clicking on your link. :) |
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| 05:13.16 | SD5FW6E3 | :( |
| 05:13.20 | SD5FW6E3 | it's searchable |
| 05:13.48 | SD5FW6E3 | if ur goal is to administrate, that is a good place to start. if it is to learn the internals, i'd suggest LFS as well |
| 05:15.43 | no-se | well, i think administration is enough, but i would like to be able to fix problems that may arise. -was already reading the online handbook you sent. ian murdock, wonder if deb, his gf at the time knows how famous he made her. |
| 05:15.45 | no-se | :) |
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| 05:16.46 | no-se | Thanks for the link. yes, i was searching for it. |
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| 05:21.43 | SD5FW6E3 | yes, she knew :) |
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| 05:22.42 | no-se | :) |
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| 05:34.54 | DeaDSouL | why this doesn't work: tty | basename |
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| 05:38.20 | optraz | is there a way to force authentication on a port? |
| 05:38.53 | hitori | DeaDSouL: basename $(tty) |
| 05:39.26 | DeaDSouL | thanks :) |
| 05:41.24 | logcat7 | Just wondering, is there any reason that the --no-check-gpg flag tends to be used with debootstrap when creating image for ARM devices? I don't know much, just want to learn. |
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| 05:41.49 | hitori | DeaDSouL: here's the explanation why it doesn't work: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2011-01/msg00061.html |
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| 05:47.57 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:49.55 | SD5FW6E3 | hi darxmurf |
| 05:50.33 | DeaDSouL | how to execute a command in the pts/19 ? and show all the outputs there? ex: CMD > /dev/pts/19 ...... how to redirect everything to pts/19 |
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| 05:58.14 | SPF | DeaDSouL: I would advise to use screen -x |
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| 06:20.58 | shomon_ | hi, how can I get rid of unresponsive script errors in browsers? |
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| 06:21.07 | shomon_ | apart from switching to chromium |
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| 06:35.21 | Bwithmore14 | this is my script i need to run 'iwconfig wlan0 rate 1M auto' |
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| 06:45.45 | Zipf | Hi there, i'm new to debian and linux. I have DUC client on my machine, but i can't get it to properly start during boot. I found a page with a tutorial that explain how to fix, but i don't understead |
| 06:45.58 | Zipf | https://github.com/jensensen/debian_7.x_wheezy_noip2_STARTUP_script |
| 06:46.20 | Zipf | it says CLONE the repo and PLACE the script in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 06:46.25 | Zipf | what it mean ? |
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| 06:46.54 | Zipf | i have to open /etc/rc2.d/ with something like nano, and paste that script there, thats it ? |
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| 06:47.17 | k_sze[work] | Is it possible to safely speed up the creation of a RAID 5 using a clever combination of zero'ing or one'ing whole disks, and the mdadm --assume-clean option? |
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| 06:49.10 | k_sze[work] | I tried creating a 4-disk RAID 5 using mdadm, each disk being 4TB. It took forever for the initial resync to finish. The machine was reading and writing at 27 MB/s from or to each of the disks. |
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| 06:51.00 | k_sze[work] | The disks were attached through a 4-channel SAS connection and if I wrote to the disks individually, I would have no problem over 150 MB/s. |
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| 06:55.19 | valdyn | k_sze[work]: which sync speed does /proc/mdstat report? |
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| 06:58.32 | k_sze[work] | valdyn: The resync has finished over the weekend. I'd have to try building a new RAID to see. Let me try and find some more disks. |
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| 07:00.04 | valdyn | k_sze[work]: sync speed is limited to single disk speed, that would have each disk report a 3rd on average |
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| 07:01.53 | hejux | Hello there, I have an issue, I don't know if it's related to Linux/IPTABLES, here is the question: https://www.notehub.org/2015/7/13/config-status |
| 07:01.58 | hejux | anybody help? |
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| 07:02.33 | pezus | hi there. i just booted up a webboot-image via network and now get a login-prompt. what should i enter there? are there default credentials? |
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| 07:03.15 | socomm | hejux: Whats the problem? |
| 07:04.01 | socomm | hejux: Different networks perform differently. |
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| 07:09.58 | hejux | socomm? |
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| 07:14.14 | xar- | k_sze[work]: stripe cache size? |
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| 07:15.09 | k_sze[work] | xar-: what stripe cache size? |
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| 07:15.58 | xar- | you said you had abysmal performance, i'd check the stripe 'depth'--it's common for the default value to be too conservative |
| 07:17.22 | xar- | other than that, I would be very mindful of the HBA and bus it's attached to, you could have a bottleneck, unrelated to the throughput of each member disk |
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| 07:25.32 | k_sze[work] | xar-: How do I check that stripe 'depth' or stripe cache size? |
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| 07:26.58 | xar- | /sys/block/mdX/md/ |
| 07:27.16 | k_sze[work] | For the record, this is the mdadm command I used: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --chunk=64 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde /dev/sdf |
| 07:27.50 | k_sze[work] | stripe cache size is 256 |
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| 07:29.25 | k_sze[work] | sync_speed_max is 200000 |
| 07:29.31 | k_sze[work] | sync_speed_min is 1000 |
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| 07:30.08 | xar- | so 256 is the default and is very low |
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| 07:32.49 | k_sze[work] | So what's a more sensible value, given a machine with more than 8 GB of free RAM. |
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| 07:33.26 | xar- | 4096 would be suitable, you want a stripe size equal (or smaller) than the block size used by the filesystem in question |
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| 07:35.45 | xar- | I would be running an iostat during the build to get a concrete picture of what you're system is actually doing |
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| 07:37.02 | k_sze[work] | xar-: I'm using XFS, and it's possible to specify the stripe size and stripe width at the mkfs.xfs command line. In that case it's ok for the stripe unit size to be a multiple of the XFS block size, right? |
| 07:37.10 | fd0 | where can I find the sources for the python-gpgme package in the version for stable (0.3-1+b1)? apt-get source only gives me 0.3-1, and I'm unable to find anything about it, apart from a buildd logs that says something about a binNMU |
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| 07:38.11 | jelly | fd0: bimNMU means the sources are unchanged, and the upload is just a binary rebuild by a non-maintainer |
| 07:38.35 | fd0 | jelly: ah, okay. but shouldn't this also have a source package with a proper changelog entry? |
| 07:39.39 | fd0 | jelly: ah, found the debian wiki page about it, thanks |
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| 07:40.18 | jelly | !binNMU |
| 07:40.18 | dpkg | methinks binnmu is binary <NMU>, which means a package was recompiled without changing the source. This often occurs when one of the libraries a package depends on has changed, and it needs to be recompiled against the newer library. The <debian revision> part of the package version normally has +b1 (+b2 etc) appended to it. http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU |
| 07:40.21 | jelly | presumably |
| 07:40.26 | fd0 | thanks |
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| 07:42.06 | xar- | k_sze[work]: Most 'good' PCIE controllers can push IOPS in the 4000MB/sec+ depending on PCI version (duplex mode) so I'd be very sensitive to the gear you're using; xfs should pick the optimal sector size by default. You can specify it though yes. |
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| 07:43.14 | xar- | k_sze[work]: If you have an existing filesystem, use xfs_info to see what was chosen. |
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| 07:48.16 | Phil-Work | just did an apt-get --purge remove on a Percona server package and I'm trying to install mysql-server-5.5 instead... it's not recreating the /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 07:48.23 | Phil-Work | does some more manual purging need to be done? |
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| 07:54.31 | jelly | Phil-Work: mysql-common, probably |
| 07:54.50 | Phil-Work | thanks, jelly - trying it now |
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| 07:57.49 | k_sze[work] | ah, I increased the stripe_cache_size to 16k pages and now it's more than three times as fast. |
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| 07:58.49 | zykotick9 | Phil-Work: <sidenote> "apt-get purge foo" is less typing ;) |
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| 07:59.03 | k_sze[work] | Is this stripe_cache_size persisted in the metadata on the RAID disks? |
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| 07:59.13 | Phil-Work | zykotick9, is that the same? |
| 07:59.24 | zykotick9 | Phil-Work: yup. |
| 07:59.28 | jelly | zykotick9: than dpkg -P ? |
| 07:59.41 | zykotick9 | jelly: then "apt-get --purge remove foo" |
| 08:00.28 | zykotick9 | s/then/than/ |
| 08:00.32 | jelly | toolong |
| 08:01.07 | zykotick9 | jelly: is "dpkg -P foo" then same as "apt-get purge foo"? /me goes to read man pages |
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| 08:01.39 | jelly | it's not. dpkg does not deal with dependencies. |
| 08:01.43 | zykotick9 | "-P, --purge package...|-a|--pending" neat. /me should use dpkg more... |
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| 08:03.55 | xar- | k_sze[work]: no |
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| 08:06.07 | k_sze[work] | So where does the default value come from? I found a QA on askubuntu to make it persistent using a udev rule, but that seems a bit dirty. |
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| 08:06.58 | jelly | k_sze[work]: compiled-in default? |
| 08:07.13 | k_sze[work] | And apparently I can't set the stripe_cache_size to 64k pages. :( |
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| 08:09.39 | k_sze[work] | at about 100 MB/s now, I still need about 11 hours for the initial resync to finish. XD |
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| 08:10.39 | xar- | k_sze[work]: you'll see diminishing marginal returns as you tweak that value; it sounds like you don't have a good grasp on filesystem theory; in any case, beyond 4096 stripe depth, you really need to be evaluating the hardware, its configuration, etc. |
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| 08:12.20 | kitsnail | dayangkun: Hello ! Mr Yang, I'm wanghui. |
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| 08:12.52 | k_sze[work] | I do know about the diminishing return. I just wanted to set the stripe_cache_size to some silly values just for the heck of it (64k pages for each disk is still only 1 GiB in total) |
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| 08:13.37 | xar- | k_sze[work]: You mentioned earlier you're using 4TB disks; I'm assuming these are your run-of-the-mill commodity drives; even so, each should be rated about ~125MB/sec alone; this indicates you have a bottleneck somewhere. |
| 08:13.50 | k_sze[work] | I just didn't know there are these knobs when working with Linux's software RAID implementation because I have never used it. |
| 08:14.32 | darxmurf | hum quick question, I have 428 files named like rec00001lpi20130624.sql to rec00428lpi20130624.sql |
| 08:14.43 | darxmurf | I want to concat all in one file |
| 08:14.56 | k_sze[work] | xar-: yes, I do know the individual disks have their own bottleneck (somewhere around 150 MB/s per disk if I remember correctly) |
| 08:15.00 | darxmurf | but if I cat *.sql > final-file.sql it won't be in order |
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| 08:16.02 | xar- | k_sze[work]: so probably your controller or the pci bus to which its attached |
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| 08:16.53 | darxmurf | hum in fact a simple for i in $(ls); do cat $i >> file; done |
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| 08:17.21 | k_sze[work] | The pci bus is fine. It's the physical limit of the disks, I think. right now I'm reading 300 MB/s and writing 100 MB/s during the resync. |
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| 08:18.21 | xar- | k_sze[work]: 400MB/sec of combined i/o is slow by most enterprise standards. *shrug* |
| 08:18.38 | k_sze[work] | These are not fast disks. |
| 08:18.57 | k_sze[work] | These are 5200 RPM surveillance archival disks. |
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| 08:20.19 | hstl | Hi all! Who uses tails? Why it doesn't have qmake command? |
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| 08:23.54 | xar- | k_sze[work]: good luck :) |
| 08:24.21 | xar- | mdadm performs exceedingly well, I think you'll find it to be a reliable solution, and quite resilient |
| 08:24.23 | k_sze[work] | xar-: :) 100 MB/s resync is much more satisfactory anyway. |
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| 08:31.45 | shidima | Im running apache with php-fpm, Apache has maximum ~20 accesses per second, I have fpm config set to 250 children. Can i reduce it to be more or less the same as the apache acceses? |
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| 08:34.50 | Skyrider | Why is Zoneminder version so old on D7. |
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| 08:40.28 | hstl | which package is responsible for qmake? |
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| 08:51.26 | adkins1 | hey guys, we got a debian NAS server at our company, mirroring to 4 disks. This is good and secure as long as no one deletes something important accidentally. Because it will be removed on all disks and be gone forever. So we need to archive to some additional medium.......but i dont know which one to chose. what would you do? |
| 08:52.07 | shidima | hstl: on my install it looks like libqtcore4 |
| 08:53.37 | shidima | adkins1: Thats a commen thing with a NAS, it protects your data from coruption or disk fail, but not from user error. |
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| 08:54.17 | adkins1 | shidima: yes, so what would you do? |
| 08:54.45 | adkins1 | are tape drives still useful for this? |
| 08:55.04 | shidima | adkins1: Depends on how mutch data you need to backup |
| 08:55.38 | adkins1 | arround 3 to 4TB |
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| 08:56.13 | petern_ | Snapshots help, though you can still delete from them, even if it's harder. |
| 08:56.19 | xar- | ideally you should be doing some form of daily incremental backup |
| 08:56.33 | emorris | Hi, is there a way to wait until/find out when NTP has set a "reasonable" time (within ~1 sec)? ntp-wait takes several minutes, and I'm guessing is waiting for the clock to be very accurate, however I need to start a process quicker. ntpd started using -g, and config file: http://pastebin.com/sY7spUcA |
| 08:56.33 | shidima | Tapes can go to 5 tb if i remeber correctly |
| 08:56.54 | adkins1 | xar-: on hard disks? |
| 08:56.57 | shidima | emorris: you still need a full backup |
| 08:57.13 | petern_ | Mirroring to 4 disks is probably silly. I'd mirror to 2 disks and use the second pair as another mirror for snapshots. |
| 08:57.43 | petern_ | with rsync/cp you can create space-efficient snapshots easily. |
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| 08:59.13 | shidima | Dell LTO tapes go to 6.25 TB |
| 08:59.54 | shidima | But 4 disk mirror is mabey a bit much |
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| 09:00.11 | xar- | adkins1: how you store your backups is your choice :) |
| 09:00.26 | shidima | But you do need them ;-) |
| 09:00.35 | pl | Hi. I see that the linux-kbuild-4.1 is missing, and this renders linux-headers-4.1.0-trunk-amd64 impossible to install. The situation has been like this for a few days now. Is there anything I can do, or do I just have to wait? |
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| 09:01.58 | xar- | If you can't build a resilient backup storage solution, then I would partner with a vendor to do it for you. Alternatively, leverage an object store from one of the big cloud vendors. |
| 09:02.26 | shidima | You could look at AWS with S3 or Glacier |
| 09:02.39 | adkins1 | petern_: letz say i mirrow to 2 disks and use rsync to snapshots to the other 2. can i directly access the files in the snapshots or do they have to be restored or something (never did rsync snapshots) |
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| 09:03.32 | shidima | yes you can just access the file |
| 09:03.43 | shidima | rsycn just copies the files |
| 09:04.17 | xar- | I hear backup and rsync used in the same sentence, and I start to grind my teeth lol |
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| 09:05.11 | adkins1 | if i have f.i. 1TB files archived today and 1,5TB archived next week, while 1TB are exactly the same files, will only be 1,5TB space used? |
| 09:05.21 | shidima | As long as you make sure you 'backup' is not on the same disk, and you make use of hard links i dont see why you can use it as a backup |
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| 09:06.16 | xar- | Depends on the nature of the backup; if you're doing a full backup, it's a full backup; if you're doing a differential, then whatever changed since the last backup, will be stored, that's a difficult question to answer. |
| 09:06.29 | DeaDSouL | i want to check whether I can execute the given command or not.. I came up with this: http://pastebin.com/0Fi8s18u ... it works fine but, is it enough or am I missing something ? |
| 09:06.49 | petern_ | Of course, with backups, more is always better. |
| 09:06.57 | xar- | If your dataset is growing by 500GB a week, then you've also got a scaling issue. |
| 09:06.58 | sdknn | hi, I d like to use the non-free packages. Shall I append my deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ stretch main with the "contrib non-free" specifiers ? |
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| 09:09.23 | xar- | When thinking about backups, you need to be thinking about user work-flow; for instance, if you take a request to retrieve a file from 10 days ago, what's your process? how much data will you need to pull to complete said request? etc. |
| 09:09.41 | xar- | Doing backups "well" isn't easy. |
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| 09:09.55 | shidima | sdknn: That shuld work: http://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
| 09:11.13 | sdknn | shidima, can stable and "jessie" be used interchangeably ? |
| 09:11.36 | sdknn | I am using testing right now and I have "stretch" |
| 09:11.52 | sdknn | do I leave it like that or change it to "testing" ? or it doesn't matter ? |
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| 09:17.51 | shidima | as long as stable == jessie there shuld be no problem |
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| 09:33.00 | hstl | Hi all. I have a live DVD and i need to write 1 special package from repositories to usb flash or SD card (doesn't matter) and then install it each time when i start Live DVD (because it don't have any persistent volume). How can i do this? |
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| 09:43.23 | at0m|c | sdknn: on my machines running testing, i prefer to put 'testing' in sources.list cos i want them to always run more recent than stable. however if you prefer to avoid sudden jumps to all new package versions upon next release cycle, use "stretch". depends on your compromise on surprises and sudden version changes which can have you reconfig some packages (apache?) suddenly. |
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| 09:48.40 | malade_mental | np |
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| 10:11.21 | strk | why is my mailcap full of duplicated entries for the same datatype ? |
| 10:11.27 | strk | I mean, same datatype but different handler |
| 10:11.42 | strk | how am I supposed to decide which order I prefer ? |
| 10:11.48 | strk | should I manually reorder lines in there ? |
| 10:11.58 | strk | note that for text/html there's no xdg-open entry |
| 10:12.09 | strk | and some entries are also conflicting |
| 10:12.15 | strk | like these two: |
| 10:12.15 | strk | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html |
| 10:12.18 | strk | text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html |
| 10:13.56 | jelly | strk: needsterminal is used when the viewer has full access to a tty; copiousoutput is for pipes and redirection, they're not conflicting |
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| 10:18.18 | hstl | Hi all. Need to copy 1 certain package from repository to usb flash or SD card and make OS recognise it like it is a repository. How can i do this? Please, help. |
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| 10:27.09 | ksk | hstl: you dont really need to. you can do an "aptitude download $package" on a machine with ineternet, copy the .deb file over to your offlinemachine, issue an "dpkg -i $package.deb" |
| 10:27.20 | ksk | be aware that you might need additional dependencies. |
| 10:27.44 | hstl | ksk, yes. thank you. you helped me very much. |
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| 10:28.25 | hstl | but don't think that i am just sitting and waiting for answer. i was googling and i found one answer for ubuntu. Thank you! |
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| 10:29.34 | strk | uhm, it's "sensible-browser" that is calling chromium, rather than firefox. Where's "sensible-browser" configured, jelly ? |
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| 10:31.17 | armin | https://twitter.com/netzverweigerer/status/620539784314920960 - my current workspace running debian jessie on an x220 with bspwm and a thinkpad keyboard. |
| 10:31.21 | strk | found: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 10:31.32 | armin | (yes, 2560x1440) |
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| 10:31.44 | armin | <3 |
| 10:32.19 | strk | update-alternatives doesn't make sensible-browser run firefox :( |
| 10:33.32 | strk | gnome-www-browser was it |
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| 10:36.46 | linuxthefish | hi, what do i need to use usb webcam audio on linux? |
| 10:36.51 | linuxthefish | such as the microphone input |
| 10:37.33 | linuxthefish | oh wow it's already detected in cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 10:38.01 | frangor | are you using pulseaudio? |
| 10:39.09 | linuxthefish | i don't have /dev/dsp or whatever though |
| 10:39.11 | TheQuestionmark | Pulse does that just fine. |
| 10:39.30 | TheQuestionmark | ALSA is kinda hard to come by |
| 10:39.56 | TheQuestionmark | It's config files beat me. |
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| 10:50.24 | choice | Hello! Looks like some bloat is running in Debian 8 called "tracker". How can I get rid of it? |
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| 10:51.17 | rozie | choice: I don't have any process named tracker, so be more specific |
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| 10:51.39 | choice | one of the processes is called tracker-miner-f |
| 10:51.44 | choice | and one is called tracker-store |
| 10:52.39 | choice | from the description it seems to be complete bloat: https://github.com/GNOME/tracker |
| 10:52.57 | rozie | wajig remove tracker |
| 10:53.12 | choice | what is wajig? |
| 10:53.27 | rozie | apt/dpkg frontend |
| 10:53.31 | choice | do you mean "apt-get remove tracker" ? |
| 10:53.55 | choice | i googled for "apt-get remove tracker" but not much came up. |
| 10:54.20 | choice | maybe "apt-get purge tracker" is better |
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| 10:54.33 | rozie | /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-store comes from tracker package |
| 10:54.41 | rozie | if you uninstall it, it won't run |
| 10:54.45 | rozie | that's simple |
| 10:55.04 | choice | ok, im doing "apt-get purge tracker" |
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| 10:55.50 | choice | The following packages will be REMOVED: "gnome-core* ..." that does not sound good. |
| 10:57.10 | choice | wouldnt that destroy whole gnome? |
| 10:57.14 | Epakai | gnome-core is just a meta-package |
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| 10:58.08 | choice | so it will not harm? |
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| 10:58.33 | choice | what does the * mean? |
| 10:59.26 | choice | also it says "The following NEW packages will be installed: gnome-search-tool" .. um.. did i ask for this? |
| 11:00.15 | choice | i dont need any "search tools" |
| 11:00.21 | choice | the find command works fine for me. |
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| 11:01.08 | Epakai | some gnome package depends on a search tool, since you are removing tracker another must be installed |
| 11:02.21 | choice | aha |
| 11:02.33 | choice | maybe i could get rid of those packages? |
| 11:03.37 | ponky | i have a jessie installation but it does not have apache2.4 available, why is that? |
| 11:04.12 | Epakai | the * you mentioned earlier indicates the package is being purged (configuration files removed) |
| 11:04.25 | choice | ok |
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| 11:08.02 | Epakai | "aptitude why gnome-search-tool" would tell you what is depending on it once it's installed |
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| 11:08.48 | Dabuti | Guys I have two graphic cards, and I would like to use the Nvidia one, should I blacklist the other ? or wich approach is best ? |
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| 11:11.10 | AWeSomeAo | Dabuti: on a laptop? |
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| 11:15.29 | Dabuti | yes AWeSomeAo |
| 11:15.54 | Dabuti | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) |
| 11:15.54 | Dabuti | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 730M] (rev a1) |
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| 11:16.19 | Dabuti | I would like to use the NVIDIA :) |
| 11:17.38 | Dabuti | 1 second need to reconnect |
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| 11:18.16 | Dabuti | back |
| 11:19.57 | Equa | Dabuti: looks like you got an optimus video card. follow this steps for it instead. https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 11:20.40 | Dabuti | Ok, thanks Equa |
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| 11:30.22 | Otyugh | heya. I've got a question about .deb |
| 11:30.36 | Otyugh | isn't tar x XXX.deb supposed to unpack it ? |
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| 11:30.58 | Otyugh | because the computer seem to idle pretty much when I do so |
| 11:31.26 | Equa | Otyugh: you're suppose to install .deb with dpkg -i package |
| 11:31.47 | Otyugh | I want to edit the .deb before install it Equa |
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| 11:32.05 | at0m|c | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=extract+.deb isn't rocket science |
| 11:32.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell Otyugh about deb |
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| 11:32.56 | Otyugh | I don't seem to have the "ar" command |
| 11:33.12 | wsky | Otyugh: use dpkg |
| 11:33.15 | wsky | man dpkg |
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| 11:33.35 | wsky | read it or use /expression to search thorugh it |
| 11:33.36 | jelly | Otyugh: more precisely, man dpkg-deb |
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| 11:34.48 | jelly | Otyugh: you can do something like: dpkg --extract foo.deb foo; dpkg --control foo.deb foo; edit stuff inside foo/ and foo/DEBIAN/ directories, and when finished, dpkg -b foo . |
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| 11:48.07 | TheQuestionmark | Anyone knows where 'reportbug' has its config files located? Just wanna make sure my email address is (still) correct. |
| 11:49.59 | themill | TheQuestionmark: reportbug(1) documents the locations |
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| 11:55.02 | bq_ | cat /etc/issue.net returns Debian GNU/Linux 8. is that normal? |
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| 11:56.29 | TheQuestionmark | themill: Huh... it's straight in my home directory set as hidden file. Thanks for the small help. |
| 11:57.45 | xand | bq_: are you running that version? |
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| 12:08.39 | Otyugh | arhg, still failing at installing mpd without x11-common. What the hell with theses dependencies, at least 4 of them requires libx11 :( |
| 12:09.07 | Otyugh | it's suppoed to be a daemon :( |
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| 12:13.36 | TheQuestionmark | Otyugh: Are you sure your dependicies aren't broken or something? 'apt-get -s install mpd' doesn't give me anything Xorg related. |
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| 12:17.43 | bq_ | xand: docker image |
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| 12:23.05 | shomon_ | KM0201, hi sorry I was at another desk.. yes it's only firefox |
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| 12:23.19 | shomon_ | ie iceape, torbrowser, thunderbird... |
| 12:23.37 | shomon_ | especially if launched together or closed when another is open |
| 12:25.04 | nickmh | Hi all. Can ./ssh/authorized_keys be read by ssh client from /sdb/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 12:29.07 | Blzq | Hi. I just updated to 14.04 (from 12.04). However, no login screen is presented anymore. Ubuntu just keeps on that "loading" screen. I can access the terminal with alt+F1... how can I fix that? |
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| 12:30.59 | rootd00d | nickmh: tried a symlink? |
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| 12:44.18 | nickmh | AAAhhhh rootd00d Why didn't I think think of that!?!? I jeep telling people I'm dumb as a box of rocks. I need to save a transcript of this LOL |
| 12:44.35 | nickmh | jeep usually = keep :-) |
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| 12:47.32 | nami | hi, is ntp daemon in debian set only as client? |
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| 12:50.53 | pertl | I got the message "libfuse2 : Conflicts: fuse (< 2.9.0-2+deb7u2) but 2.9.0-2+deb7u1 is to be installed." which seems to indicate some "micro-conflict" (almoste the same version). however it blocks further installation. How am I supposed to resolve this issue? |
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| 12:51.19 | pertl | running on wheeze/stable |
| 12:51.27 | pertl | wheezy |
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| 12:52.37 | bjoernb | pertl: jessie is stable. |
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| 12:52.43 | bjoernb | hello |
| 12:52.49 | pertl | oops |
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| 12:53.10 | pertl | got that linux instance from an admin |
| 12:53.10 | pertl | good to know :-) |
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| 12:55.40 | ntwari | so i created a separate /tmp partition, i mounted /dev/mapper/tmp-tmpdir to /tmp with this line in fstab: /dev/mapper/tmp-tmpdir /tmp ext4 defaults 0 2. and now no one except root can write to /tmp |
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| 12:59.55 | bjoernb | i want to install debian on a cubietruck. when i read the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner i do not know where to start. if i understand correctly i need uboot before putting debian onto the sd-card. |
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| 13:01.55 | moobase | is it dangerous to cancel ftrim? I'll make a ftrim cron which could get cancelled when I shut down mah computah |
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| 13:06.32 | bjoernb | i have created an sdcard image with uboot like in https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Creating_a_bootable_SD_Card_with_u-boot when i put it into the cubietruck to boot how can i issue commands? |
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| 13:09.22 | moobase | why not just not trim your ssd? Performance is barely affected. You lose 10% performance tops. |
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| 13:10.46 | shomon_ | oh yeah it reminds me, in the recent hacking team mails leak, it mentions hacks to get into live cds.. how do you protect against it? |
| 13:10.51 | shomon_ | or them |
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| 13:15.42 | svriommu | i want to install clang-3.7 from http://llvm.org/apt/ . i've added the keys and did apt-get update but when i apt-get install clang-3.7 i can't find, should i switch to jessie ? |
| 13:17.41 | llslim | is there a way to test if a package exist before adding a compiler flag in the makefile (debian/rules) file? Example: ifeq(deb_installed(pkg_name),1) CFLAGS += --with-feature endif |
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| 13:19.08 | jelly | llslim: I don't know how it's done, but there's no need to do that if you have all the build dependencies set correctly |
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| 13:23.37 | blz | Hello, is there a .deb or a repo for golang 1.4 ? |
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| 13:24.09 | petn-randall | ,v golang |
| 13:24.10 | judd | Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; sid: 2:1.4.2-3; stretch: 2:1.4.2-3 |
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| 13:39.50 | emorris | Does anyone know how I may be able to detect that the system clock is "sort of" correct according to ntpd? I need to know when it's in the rough ballpark but ntp-wait takes too long. |
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| 13:40.21 | emorris | I would say within ~1 sec of the NTP time |
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| 13:44.28 | moobase | A script that tar some_dir --> backup-noX ... do people do that anymore? :P |
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| 13:48.10 | boodie | Hi: I would like to install the following SW, which includes an Ubuntu 12.04 page (good news: they support linux, bad news, it's ubuntu). Do you think it would be at all possible to install it on Jessie? |
| 13:48.24 | boodie | http://support.prometheanplanet.com/server.php?show=nav.19255 |
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| 13:51.36 | petn-randall | emorris: ntpdate is a one-off shot at syncing the ntp time. Maybe that's what you're looking for. |
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| 13:54.35 | emorris | petn-randall, that's correct, although now deprecated in favour of ntpd -gq. I've been trying to tweak the system to run ntpdate/ntpd -gq before ntpd, but it seems a bit of a bodge, and there are so many things to consider (e.g. network). |
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| 13:56.51 | petn-randall | emorris: Why not just run ntpd then? |
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| 13:58.12 | emorris | petn-randall, I am, and it gets a reasonable time within a few seconds, however I need to detect from an application as to when this state has been reached |
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| 13:59.44 | petn-randall | emorris: So you want to monitor the jitter/deviation from the upstream NTP stratum? I believe there's a nagios plugin that does that. |
| 13:59.56 | llslim | jelly, i'm modifying the vim package to work with lua interpreter and optionally the just in time library (libluajit). So I want vim compiled with the flag --enable-luainterp=dynamic, but i want to add flag --with-luajit of the library is installed. you can still compile vim with the liblua package instead of libluajit. So i'm trying to accommodate both in the deb package. Alternatively I was thinking about doing a variable jitlib=$(shell lsdconfig - |
| 13:59.57 | llslim | p | grep libluajit). This looks up if the library is installed but i have nothing to compare the variable to in the ifeq statement of the make fie. I am stuck at this point |
| 14:00.39 | emorris | petn-randall, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 14:01.38 | g105b | Apart from in /etc/network/interfaces is there anywhere else that can cause the server to have a static IP? I'm struggling to get the DHCP server to allocate it a new IP. |
| 14:01.57 | boodie | Hi: I would like to install the following SW (http://support.prometheanplanet.com/server.php?show=nav.19255), which includes an Ubuntu 12.04 page (good news: they support linux, bad news, it's ubuntu). Do you think it would be at all possible to install it on Jessie? |
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| 14:02.18 | moobase | why would I want anything else than rsync to backup a few things to my secondary harddrive? |
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| 14:04.35 | jelly | moobase: because too lazy to set up proper versioning and expiration with rsync; or, because you want dedup; or ... dunno |
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| 14:05.27 | petn-randall | g105b: network-manager, or in systemd there's networkd. But both you have to explicitely install/configure. |
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| 14:56.17 | kuru | I am going to school for networking and I want to get a head start by setting up a practice server. Should I use a LaMp server for practice or a File Server using Samba |
| 14:56.57 | Equa | kuru: why not both? |
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| 14:58.07 | kuru | Equa: I don't know which one to start with first. |
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| 15:00.25 | Technicus | Hello, how do I configure a script to start at boot, and also another script to start at shutdown? |
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| 15:00.31 | Equa | kuru: you can start with either one. once you get the setup down, start on the second one. |
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| 15:01.36 | kuru | Alright Thank you Equa |
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| 15:04.09 | jhambo | Hi all, I looking to create encrypted partitions on a new debian system. Can anyone recommend a more recent guide than the one recommended by dpkg (which is almost 10 years old)? Google of course leads me to several guides, but I'm wondering if there's a "debian way" to do it. Thanks |
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| 15:07.37 | sratz | hello all . I have a question : I use a firewall but I am wondering how it works . For example I opened the OpenVPN port for outgoing connections and not in incoming. So I imagine the packets go through the firewall and reach the server but I don't figure out how they come back |
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| 15:08.05 | sratz | Because the port is not opened on the firewall on incoming connections |
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| 15:10.59 | phre4k | hey, I currently have a nooby setup of Samba 4 as AD server and the clients can create files, but not move or copy "foreign" files. I already set force create mode = 660 but that doesn't work... |
| 15:11.23 | jaybe | sratz, if you wish to leave you house, allowing the outgoing front door to open makes sense. but if you don't also allow INBOUND door opening, then no one would be able to come IN. |
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| 15:13.12 | sratz | jaybe: Ok but in that case the packets which are getting back to my machine are not rejected or denied by the firewall ... and with no rules |
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| 15:14.25 | jaybe | sratz, not sure what your question/problem actually is. usually a CLIENT connects to a SERVER in a VPN scenario. the SERVER must allow connections to certain ports, depending on the firewall type. |
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| 15:15.27 | choice | Hello! I did "apt-get purge tracker" and now almost everything in gnome (libre-office and tons of other stuff) is marked as "no longer required" and would be removed when I do "apt-get autoremove". Probably because removing tracker removed the gnome-core metapackage. Is there a way to clean up this mess? |
| 15:15.41 | jelly | choice: install gnome-core again? |
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| 15:15.50 | sratz | jaybe: simplier : I opened the OpenVPN port OUT but not IN . And the packets are sent to the server and when they get back they go through the firewall . Just wonder why |
| 15:16.10 | jaybe | choice, might consider --reinstall 'ing what is broken |
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| 15:16.24 | jaybe | sratz, what you describe makes zero sense to me |
| 15:16.24 | choice | jelly: wouldnt that bring back tracker? |
| 15:16.25 | sratz | jaybe: and it's not for a server , I just playing with firewall on my machine |
| 15:16.29 | jelly | choice: it would |
| 15:16.41 | choice | jelly: i dont want tracker. it hogs up my system. |
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| 15:17.00 | choice | jelly: does that mean nothing that comes with gnome can ever be deinstalled? |
| 15:17.09 | choice | jaybe: what do you mean? |
| 15:17.15 | jelly | choice: there may be a way to just disable it, while keeping it installed |
| 15:17.24 | Equa | sratz: you're just a client so you send and wait for a response from the server. i.e. http, you send a tcp packet and wait for a response and then dumped after reading it. |
| 15:17.28 | jaybe | choice, what do i mean by reinstalling? i mean consider reinstalling what broke the dependencies |
| 15:17.48 | jelly | choice: it means exactly that, if you want to keep the metapackage. |
| 15:18.21 | choice | jaybe: im not aware that any dependencies are broken. apt-get just tells me that tons of stuff is "no longer required" |
| 15:18.25 | choice | jelly: wow, that sucks. |
| 15:18.32 | jelly | choice: alternatively, apt-mark manual every package that you want to keep |
| 15:18.35 | jaybe | sratz, get a piece of paper and draw boxes representing your computer(s)/server(s), and draw lines between them. visualize "walls" on each box; firewalls. traffic must be configured to pass in and out as required. |
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| 15:19.18 | choice | jelly: how do i know what i want to keep? its tons of packages like "libcaribou-gtk3-module" that i have no idea what they are. |
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| 15:20.10 | STMelon | oye! |
| 15:20.17 | STMelon | steals jelly's thunder |
| 15:20.30 | STMelon | o/ |
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| 15:20.45 | choice | jelly: i guess when i "apt-get autoremove", gnome will be gone completely. and to get it back, wouldnt i have to do "apt-get install gnome-core" and it would start all over again? |
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| 15:22.03 | jelly | choice: so don't do autoremove before marking the packages you need as manually installed |
| 15:22.10 | BluesKaj | here I am rescuing my W7 install from an aborted W10, what a mess , anyway back to debian in a few mins ...gotta keep the W7 around for wife's sake |
| 15:22.30 | choice | jelly: how do i know what i need? |
| 15:22.45 | choice | jelly: and how do i mark them? |
| 15:22.52 | sratz | jaybe: Ok.. So if on my computer I want to allow OUT the port 443 , do I have also to open it IN ? |
| 15:23.00 | jelly | choice: presumably the stuff that you use. "apt-mark" is a command. |
| 15:23.06 | jaybe | rstrt, what do you think? |
| 15:23.32 | jaybe | sratz, what do you think? please do the drawing exercise so you can 'see' what you're discussing. it will become very cler. |
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| 15:23.33 | jaybe | s/clear |
| 15:23.49 | jelly | choice: I'd probably look for a way to just disable the problematic component, and keep the metapackage (install gnome-core back) |
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| 15:24.11 | s7r | !update |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
| 15:24.16 | s7r | !updates |
| 15:24.16 | dpkg | [updates] Ask me about <point release>, <proposed-updates>, <security>, <jessie-updates>, <wheezy-updates>. See also <apticron>, <cron-apt>. |
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| 15:25.14 | choice | jelly: i tried "apt-mark libreoffice-calc" but it gives me "Invalid operation libreoffice-calc" |
| 15:25.18 | sratz | jaybe: I did it : I draw my computer with its firewall and the OpenVPN server |
| 15:25.31 | jelly | choice: you can also mark as manual all the gnome-core deps, including "libcaribou-gtk3-module" even if you have no idea what they do |
| 15:25.52 | jelly | choice: apt-mark manual packagename1 packagename2 ... |
| 15:25.57 | choice | ok |
| 15:26.04 | choice | thats one hell of a mess... |
| 15:26.07 | jaybe | sratz, now look at it. if you wish to 'start' from your computer... and traverse over the internet out of port 443, then your CLIENT outbound firewall would need to allow OUTBOUND 443. if you wish to connect TO your server, on port 443, ... then you'd need to allow INCOMING to the server on port 443. get it? |
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| 15:26.41 | jaybe | sratz, save yourself a LOT of pain, and focus only on the server incoming firewall. leave the outgoing alone until you have a clue. |
| 15:27.45 | choice | jelly: do other desktops have the same problem? |
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| 15:27.47 | sratz | jaybe: I got it |
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| 15:30.14 | jaybe | sratz, pictures are you friend. [client] ---no-outgoing-firewall----> [server] (only allows incoming port 443) |
| 15:31.00 | sratz | Ok my configuration is like that |
| 15:31.29 | sratz | [Client] -->[Firewall] -----------------------> [Server] |
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| 15:31.42 | jaybe | well, no, - because that's different |
| 15:31.54 | jaybe | potentially anyway |
| 15:32.19 | sratz | jaybe: ah ? |
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| 15:32.33 | jaybe | each box/host/entity *can* have its own INCOMING *and* OUTGOING firewall. decide what you want, and need, then design your firewall. ideally, especially with little clues, it's best to start by managing the server' incoming firewall only. |
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| 15:33.35 | jelly | choice: all the stuff you install via metapackages have the same issue, you can't just pull ne tiny bit out without the whole house of cards collapsing |
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| 15:33.49 | sratz | jaybe: Oh okay I see what you mean. My goal here was to install ufw firewall to manage the rules easily on my laptop and see if I can avoid leaks before connecting to my VPN provider |
| 15:34.37 | jaybe | sratz, i see; that's a reasonable approach to dealing with leakage, indeed. it's just- firewalls and networking can get very tricky very fast. draw pictures, document, plan, implement, tesst. |
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| 15:37.52 | choice | jelly: thats pretty lame. instead of a meta package then they should use an installer that installs all parts of the desktop independently. |
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| 15:39.28 | hofnarr | hi! i did something stupid (ran script which effects i didn't completely understand, script: http://kirrus.co.uk/stuff/pz/wheezy-glibc-sid.sh) and now my aptitude is broken. i'm running debian wheezy (7.8). when i'm running "apt-get install lib32gcc1", it throws some dependency errors: http://paste.nerv.fi/30302654.txt |
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| 15:40.20 | sratz | jaybe: and do you know how the firewall behaves when it sees the response packet from the server in my case ? |
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| 15:40.42 | jaybe | sratz, completely dependent upon configuration, choices, goals, etc. no way for me to determine that. |
| 15:41.00 | sratz | jaybe: mmmh okay |
| 15:41.27 | jelly | choice: or a way to just disable a component without removing it |
| 15:41.58 | sratz | jaybe: Is this thing is true : "When a connection is established, the firewall will automatically let packets out back to the client's port. You don't need to create rules for that because the firewall knows." ? |
| 15:42.10 | sratz | I found it on a exchange .. |
| 15:42.19 | jaybe | read the actual documentation and trust it instead |
| 15:42.31 | sratz | Ok I'll do that |
| 15:42.36 | hofnarr | so apparently now i have several packages (libc/gcc related) from sid repo and that causes those dependency errors. any idea how i should correct these? |
| 15:42.43 | choice | jelly: strange, i did "apt-get install --reinstall gnome-core" and that did not bring back tracker. |
| 15:42.49 | sratz | jaybe: thanks for help |
| 15:42.54 | jaybe | sratz, welcome |
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| 15:43.21 | choice | jelly: and still all of gnome is marked to be removed. |
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| 15:46.19 | choice | i will just set all the stuff it wants to remove to "manually installed" |
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| 15:47.28 | petn-randall | hofnarr: Backup your user data, and reinstall. If you did a partial upgrade to sid, you can't downgrade to wheezy again. Also, since you skipped jessie and stretch in the upgrade, it probably didn't cleanly upgrade. |
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| 15:47.49 | hofnarr | ... nice :( |
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| 15:48.27 | petn-randall | hofnarr: It always helps to check what you're running as root. If you don't understand it, it's better not to run it. |
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| 15:48.45 | hofnarr | yep, that's where i messed up |
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| 15:48.52 | abrotman | petn-randall: what is this PID 1 ? :) |
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| 15:49.40 | petn-randall | gives abrotman an obfuscated rm -Rf / to run. |
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| 15:49.44 | petn-randall | :P |
| 15:49.49 | Equa | lol |
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| 15:50.39 | hofnarr | petn-randall: did you check that script, btw? |
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| 15:51.08 | petn-randall | hofnarr: Yes. You should mix any releases, it's never a good idea. What did you need that for? |
| 15:51.14 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 15:51.14 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 15:51.33 | hofnarr | he, i see, and i understand |
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| 15:52.02 | AWeSomeAo | I run a frankendebian, because I don't want testing, yet I need newer x drivers :) |
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| 15:52.42 | hofnarr | well, i needed to install one particular game (server binaries), and followed a walkthrough like an idiot |
| 15:52.54 | hofnarr | lesson learned |
| 15:52.58 | petn-randall | ^^^ it sounds a little snarky, but a mixed installation is a mess. Downgrading only works if you upgraded leaf packages, and the less you upgraded, the less work it is. But libc6 is a central library, chances are slim to downgrade and still have a running system. |
| 15:53.14 | petn-randall | AWeSomeAo: That's what backports are for. |
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| 15:54.36 | AWeSomeAo | petn-randall: oh, finally. when I installed it a couple days after release, the package wasn't tehre |
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| 15:55.30 | SynrG | AWeSomeAo: so you get the worst of both worlds. all of the instability of mixing in testing. none of the support from the community for it. congratulations :p |
| 15:55.41 | SynrG | AWeSomeAo: if it were me, I'd just run testing. that way I'd at least be supported. |
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| 15:56.37 | SynrG | people always start out thinking running a frankendebian is a good idea and "it works fine for me!" until it doesn't ... |
| 15:57.08 | SynrG | unless you want to 100% own the support for your unsupportable system, it's something you shouldn't do. |
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| 16:00.02 | centrx | own it |
| 16:00.21 | jelly | centrx: like a boss |
| 16:00.59 | SynrG | or be owned |
| 16:01.31 | hofnarr | well, thanks petn-randall. one more question, should i install jessie or is it okay to stick with wheezy. mainly because i have several init.d -scripts which aren't compatible with systemd (at least for what i've understood) and it's pain in the ass to patch them. |
| 16:01.56 | AWeSomeAo | SynrG: if I need assistance, I just re-install my /root with all the packages - I keep a copy of all my config files. It works right now, should it break, I can easily get a state where it is a vanilla and work from there |
| 16:02.01 | centrx | hofnarr, You could continue using sysvinit with jessie |
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| 16:02.29 | hofnarr | hm, how exactly? |
| 16:02.45 | hofnarr | simply by installing it from repos? |
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| 16:02.57 | SynrG | AWeSomeAo: wonderful for you. clearly you've accepted the risks. but encouraging other users to do the same (which your boast did implicitly) is something i would discourage here. |
| 16:03.16 | AWeSomeAo | SynrG: noted, sir. |
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| 16:03.47 | petn-randall | hofnarr: Just install sysv-init, and remove the systemd package after verifying it reboot cleanly. You can even have both init systems installed at the same time, and choose in grub at boot. |
| 16:03.52 | AWeSomeAo | I just assume everyone keeps backups for everything, so "breaking" a system is really not that much of a problem |
| 16:03.56 | petn-randall | s/reboot/reboots/ |
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| 16:04.13 | hofnarr | awesome, thank you! |
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| 16:05.40 | petn-randall | hofnarr: Chances are though, that those init scripts will just continue to work as before with systemd. |
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| 16:08.42 | hofnarr | alright |
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| 16:10.01 | seoner | hi |
| 16:10.03 | seoner | there is some connection issues with my vps |
| 16:10.05 | seoner | do anybody know how to resolve it? |
| 16:11.19 | hofnarr | any psychics around? |
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| 16:33.43 | bleb | does anyone here have experience with lighttpd on Jessie? I've been trying to get simple CGI working since yesterday with no luck. I know this isn't the right channel but #lighttpd is dead |
| 16:34.28 | cmdbbq | I have multiple redundant entries for GT216 HDMI Audio Controller under KDE System Settings > Audio and Video Settings > Device Preferences and Audio Hardware Setup but none of them produce sound. It was working, but filled with hubris, I meddled, and now it isn't. moving .config/pulse and restarting brought me down to one entry under Device Preferences, but toggling Device Configuration under Audio Hardwar |
| 16:34.34 | cmdbbq | e Settings repopulated the list with redundant entries, none of which work. Can anyone help me get back to a default or basic audio setup? as always, I'm utterly baffled by the audio system on linux and every discovery only raises new questions. |
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| 16:35.53 | thnda | Is there a website that does authentically advice printers based on criteria such as printing volume per week, etc.? |
| 16:36.05 | c0fe_machine | cmdbbq: replace hubris with ramen |
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| 16:37.28 | c0fe_machine | thnda: with printers it is difficult because you have a lot of different variables put in down to even nozzles |
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| 16:37.41 | openfwwf-jessie | is there a newbie friendly guide to installing OpenFWWF on jessie? |
| 16:37.48 | cmdbbq | I had working audio and a pop-up said something about changing default audio settings would you like to rever? I'd seen it before, but I was curious. What's the worst that could happen, indeed... |
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| 16:41.30 | Thexa4 | Hi, is there a way to verify the integrity of the netboot.tar.gz file? I can't seem to find the gpg signature in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 16:41.49 | c0fe_machine | is gpg better than truecrypt? |
| 16:42.10 | c0fe_machine | ergo more secure? |
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| 16:43.18 | cmdbbq | should aplay -l list my nvidia card multiple times? |
| 16:43.37 | openfwwf-jessie | can anyone help me? |
| 16:44.09 | hhmmm | seems like no-one knows what openfwwf is atm |
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| 16:45.10 | hhmmm | sounds interesting tho :p |
| 16:45.55 | openfwwf-jessie | http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/ |
| 16:46.19 | openfwwf-jessie | the info on that webpage is not newbie friendly though |
| 16:47.44 | hhmmm | do you have a broadcom wifi? there seems to be separate links for those |
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| 16:49.23 | openfwwf-jessie | bcm4318 but i want i do not want to use debian's non free firmware. i want to use the FREE openfwwf firmware |
| 16:49.45 | openfwwf-jessie | bcm4318 but i do not want to use debian's non free firmware. i want to use the FREE openfwwf firmware |
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| 16:52.27 | openfwwf-jessie | http://www.ing.unibs.it/~openfwwf/ |
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| 16:52.35 | hhmmm | if no-one helps you could ask in a more general channel like ##linux or ##networking |
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| 16:55.44 | jhutchins | openfwwf-jessie: One thing you could do is use the "non-free" firmware until you learn more about Linux and Debian. |
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| 16:57.05 | openfwwf-jessie | jhutchins, i do not want to install non free software/firmware on jessie |
| 16:57.30 | jhutchins | openfwwf-jessie: Get a NIC that doesn't require it. |
| 16:57.43 | openfwwf-jessie | jhutchins, do not have money |
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| 16:59.20 | jhutchins | openfwwf-jessie: So use the firmware provided, learn how to handle third-party firmware, learn how to compile and build packages, then re-install Debian and set it up the way you want. |
| 17:00.05 | openfwwf-jessie | what you are suggesting is not newbie friendly though |
| 17:00.25 | jhutchins | openfwwf-jessie: I'm suggesting you become a non-newbie. |
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| 17:00.41 | jhutchins | openfwwf-jessie: The alternative is to run an OS that does everything for you. That's not Linux. |
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| 17:01.25 | openfwwf-jessie | http://packages.trisquel.info/source/toutatis-updates/openfwwf . Trisquel GNU/Linux is a linux kernel based distro similar to debian |
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| 17:01.59 | nland521 | Hello all |
| 17:02.02 | jaybe | point: if you wish to do advanced things and be advanced, then you need to embrace knowledge, information, and learn wtf you're doing |
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| 17:02.18 | nland521 | I am running into an issue, and was wondering if someone could help me out? |
| 17:02.20 | openfwwf-jessie | jaybe, do not patronise me |
| 17:02.21 | nland521 | Thanks in advance |
| 17:02.30 | jaybe | openfwwf-jessie, do take it as patronizing |
| 17:02.35 | jaybe | s/do/don't/ |
| 17:02.52 | jaybe | nland521, ask a clear, concise question |
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| 17:04.11 | SynrG | #513974 |
| 17:04.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/513974 in wnpp (open): «RFP: openfwwf -- Open Firmware for Broadcom b43 wlan devices»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-02-02; last modified: 2012-01-09. |
| 17:04.22 | SynrG | opened 2009-0202! |
| 17:04.25 | nland521 | Earlier today everything was working as normal. I was attempting to install ATI drivers, and when I rebooted, my cursor was gone. The mouse still works, I can see the hover, but I do not see the cursor anymore |
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| 17:04.55 | SynrG | "The big problem I see with OpenFWWF, is upstream maintenance, which |
| 17:04.55 | SynrG | appears to be almost dead." |
| 17:05.44 | nland521 | I've googled the issue, and I see that it was a known bug in earlier versions, but I haven't found anything that worked for me. |
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| 17:06.10 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: so this is the deal. there was an effort to get this into debian which has not produced results yet, and the person doing the work says they don't think it's fit for inclusion in debian. |
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| 17:07.06 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: there has been no change in the status of that bug since he stated that over four years ago. |
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| 17:07.24 | openfwwf-jessie | not fit for inclusion on debian but fit for trisquel 7 released in 2014? |
| 17:07.51 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: the very same person maintaining it for trisquel is the person who said it's not fit for inclusion in Debian. |
| 17:07.53 | SynrG | go ask him? |
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| 17:09.49 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: please note that just because some other project uses a thing doesn't automatically make it suitable for inclusion in debian. read Stefan's objections to inclusion that are in the bug linked above. |
| 17:10.17 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: therefore, it is recommended you either a) use hardware not requiring non-free firmware, or b) use the non-free firmware. that is supported. |
| 17:11.55 | SynrG | openfwwf-jessie: and if Stefan has changed his mind and decided it *could* be included in Debian, maybe you could ask him to update the Debian bug indicating it is now suitable for inclusion (whether or not he is still willing to do the work) |
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| 17:13.15 | lkz0ne | anybody knows what is this error when do ./gradlew build ? http://paste.debian.net/281971/ |
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| 17:15.13 | nland521 | has anyone run into an invisible cursor at all? |
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| 17:16.03 | SynrG | lkz0ne: good heavens, what an incredibly wordy way to say "I've failed for no apparent reason". sadly, seems to be typical of java :P |
| 17:16.20 | SynrG | i think you had best ask upstream about it |
| 17:16.34 | nktj | Are there functions in the standard library for generating beeps sounds of a given frequency/pitch via the sound card or motherboard? |
| 17:16.52 | nktj | addendum: * I am talking about the C programming language |
| 17:17.08 | SynrG | nland521: <insert joke about running into things that are invisible and cursing here> |
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| 17:17.14 | jd1 | hmm I remember there being an x86 interrupt for that |
| 17:17.18 | SynrG | nland521: but maybe you can describe the exact circumstances? |
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| 17:18.06 | nland521 | SynrG: Yea, I left myself open for that haha. My mouse is working, I can see when I hover over certain elements, but I do not have a cursor |
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| 17:18.55 | nland521 | SynrG: I extended my monitor with xrandr, and then after a reboot the cursor was no longer visible. |
| 17:19.08 | SynrG | nland521: i know 'unclutter' deliberately hides the cursor, but it should come back again the minute you move the mouse |
| 17:19.16 | SynrG | how strange |
| 17:19.41 | SynrG | so if you revert back to your pre-xrandr change, the cursor comes back? |
| 17:19.48 | nland521 | SyngrG: I attempted that hacky solution, but the cursor never appeared |
| 17:19.54 | SynrG | hmm |
| 17:20.05 | nland521 | As of of now, I'm pre-xrandr |
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| 17:20.21 | SynrG | and it's still gone? |
| 17:20.24 | nland521 | yes |
| 17:20.27 | SynrG | odd |
| 17:20.31 | nland521 | very |
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| 17:21.06 | SynrG | well, divide and conquer? supposing it's a user session problem, create a fresh test user and see if the behaviour persists for the test user. |
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| 17:21.26 | SynrG | if the test user has no hidden cursor, and your user does, then it's a user-specific issue. |
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| 17:21.29 | SynrG | otherwise, system-wide |
| 17:21.31 | jd1 | nktj: ##c might know |
| 17:21.48 | nland521 | and in the case that it is system-wide? |
| 17:22.08 | nktj | jd1: good hint, thanks :) |
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| 17:23.07 | SynrG | nland521: i like to not speculate too far ahead :) |
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| 17:23.36 | SynrG | but my current theory is that some 'entity' tells X to hide the cursor |
| 17:23.44 | SynrG | could be something that starts and then dies |
| 17:23.53 | SynrG | i'm hoping it's user-specific. |
| 17:24.01 | nland521 | likewise |
| 17:24.24 | SynrG | then you'd look for the dying whatsit |
| 17:24.38 | SynrG | see if you can suppress it starting in your user session and maybe that helps |
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| 17:25.33 | SynrG | but if it's system-wide, it might just as well be something in the various system-wide autostart locations, and could similarly be suppressed, if you can identify it |
| 17:25.54 | SynrG | session logs will help you here. the only reason i start with the test user and not the logs is, it's a pretty simple test. |
| 17:26.07 | nland521 | Agreed |
| 17:26.09 | jd1 | nktj: Yeah I dont know if there is a good library. I know you can do ioctls for the pc speaker |
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| 17:26.14 | SynrG | whereas the session logs can often be cluttered with a lot of useless junk |
| 17:26.25 | SynrG | things that scream FATAL at you and really are harmless :/ |
| 17:26.40 | nland521 | Ok, I'm going to give it a shot, and I'll see what happens, Thanks for your help. |
| 17:26.45 | SynrG | yeap. good luck |
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| 17:32.37 | nktj | jd1: I have no registered account to be able to write on ##c at the moment. This ioctl stuff was a good hint. Thanks. |
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| 17:35.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there a good way of monitoring a single process's memory usage over time from the command line? |
| 17:36.49 | nktj | NoImNotNineVolt: the tool named top, if you don't want it logged. If you want it logged, use ps in a while loop and pipe the output to a file. |
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| 17:37.58 | jd1 | you could also parse /proc/<pid>/stat |
| 17:38.09 | ArtooDetoo | yes, I have a little c program for that: http://paste.debian.net/281977/ |
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| 17:38.44 | nktj | NoImNotNineVolt: I mean if you want it logged over a longer period of time, call ps in a cron job |
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| 17:50.13 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/131303/how-to-measure-actual-memory-usage-of-an-application-or-process |
| 17:50.25 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: http://www.tecmint.com/command-line-tools-to-monitor-linux-performance/ |
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| 17:52.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know top, i know htop. |
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| 17:54.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's a java process running apache tika and i'm wondering why it's eating all my ram :| |
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| 17:54.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | but now we leave debian territory, so i'll continue this line of inquiry elsewhere. thank you for the tips though. |
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| 17:57.40 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: It's eating all your ram because it's java. That's what java does. |
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| 18:06.27 | Lirion | hello. here's a debian machine which doesn't know mp3gain from apt-cache search. am I right assuming this is a main package and eh I don#t get it. it only finds easymp3gain, which is also not a core functionality package :) |
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| 18:09.28 | jhutchins | ,v mp3gain |
| 18:09.29 | judd | Package: mp3gain on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-4; wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1 |
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| 18:11.52 | Lirion | packages.debian.org also doesn't know about mp3gain for stable, but I have it installed on my own jessie. hm. |
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| 18:13.59 | jhutchins | Lirion: Is this a system that upgraded from wheezy? |
| 18:15.05 | jhutchins | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg1257848.html recommends python-rgain. |
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| 18:15.56 | Lirion | that's it. I was too blind to see a moment ago. thanks! |
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| 18:16.32 | jhutchins | Lirion: Apparently dead upstream, known expoloits, many open bugs. |
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| 18:20.45 | DammitJim | is it normal that I am writing to a usb thumb drive at 1761KB/s ? |
| 18:20.51 | DammitJim | this is USB2 |
| 18:20.55 | DammitJim | seems rather slow |
| 18:21.05 | openfwwf-jessie | thanks. will be back later |
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| 18:21.45 | OerHeks | DammitJim, sure, lots of small files slow down writing. |
| 18:21.54 | peterrooney | DammitJim: seems slow, and what it's reading from? |
| 18:22.04 | Technicus | journalctl: command not found |
| 18:22.16 | Technicus | Why is it no there? |
| 18:22.42 | DammitJim | it's one file ~285M |
| 18:22.49 | OerHeks | Technicus, on what ubuntu version ? |
| 18:23.00 | DammitJim | reading from the network, but on a windows machine, the same file got written in 1 minute |
| 18:23.07 | DammitJim | here it's taking about 3.5 |
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| 18:26.11 | DammitJim | WOW |
| 18:26.23 | DammitJim | I unmounted it, then mounted it again (it was originally automounted) |
| 18:26.30 | DammitJim | and it wrote it so fast! |
| 18:27.05 | DammitJim | ok, that was waaaay too fast |
| 18:27.13 | DammitJim | it wrote it in like 3 seconds instead of 3 minutes |
| 18:27.25 | DammitJim | iotop said something ridiculous like 300MB/s |
| 18:27.59 | fragtastic | DammitJim, flash drive? |
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| 18:28.09 | DammitJim | like a thumb drive, yes |
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| 18:29.04 | fragtastic | because i have the same problem, it's the write cache. it'll go stupid fast then when it fills up it slows down and sits there until it's all actually written |
| 18:29.33 | jhambo | I'm trying to install debian from a usb stick. However, at the moment, I only have access to a windows machine. Can anyone suggest how to get the iso onto the stick? Google has led me down several blind leads. |
| 18:29.46 | DammitJim | fragtastic, but I unmounted the drive, pulled it out, and plugged it back in and it wrote slow again |
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| 18:30.40 | DammitJim | so, there is something wrong with automount? |
| 18:30.59 | DammitJim | I think I'm using usbmount package |
| 18:31.26 | fragtastic | not sure, i haven't looked into it since it's still taking the same time it would take either way, just the reported time and speed isn't "correct" |
| 18:32.12 | jhutchins | DammitJim: USB mounts are mostly handled by the DE these days. |
| 18:32.15 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Using fuse. |
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| 18:32.57 | fragtastic | also unrelated, but bruncol is a spammer in here |
| 18:33.03 | DammitJim | I think it is a sync thing |
| 18:33.14 | DammitJim | what is the DE? |
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| 18:33.45 | asarch | Is there any tool to select the fastest mirror available? |
| 18:33.57 | asarch | ftp.us.debian.org is quite slow :-( |
| 18:34.02 | fragtastic | asarch, yes |
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| 18:34.22 | asarch | Or, do you know which one is the faster mirror in USA? |
| 18:34.38 | fragtastic | asarch, i like mirrors.kernel.org personally |
| 18:34.47 | asarch | Thank you |
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| 18:35.02 | fragtastic | asarch, netselect-apt - speed tester for chosing a fast Debian mirror |
| 18:35.13 | asarch | Thank you |
| 18:35.18 | asarch | Thank you very much fragtastic |
| 18:35.22 | asarch | Thank you :-) |
| 18:35.32 | fragtastic | no problem |
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| 18:36.04 | acz32 | http://http.debian.net/ |
| 18:36.18 | acz32 | asarch: read that too |
| 18:36.34 | jhambo | So, do I need to already have a linux machine in order to copy the debian installer to a usb drive? |
| 18:36.52 | fragtastic | jhambo, no |
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| 18:36.56 | jaybe | no; one could use `dd`, etc. |
| 18:37.13 | lkz0ne | Hi everybody ... how to I install gradle in the kali linux? |
| 18:37.29 | fragtastic | jhambo, there's several options available for windows/mac to create a usb boot disk |
| 18:37.31 | mtn | jhambo, you can use win32diskimager |
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| 18:37.56 | acz32 | jaybe: dd is a unix tool |
| 18:38.03 | jaybe | acz32, yes; so? |
| 18:38.06 | DammitJim | weird |
| 18:38.11 | DammitJim | sync seems to have something to do with it |
| 18:38.13 | acz32 | jaybe: so what if he's in windows? |
| 18:38.19 | DammitJim | how do I get iotop to only show me that one process? |
| 18:38.24 | jaybe | acz32, then use something else; or use `dd` anyway - (cygwin) |
| 18:39.11 | jhambo | jaybe - it's the something else that I'm looking for. As I recall cygwin is a hassle. I'm suprised it's so difficult. Damned windows... |
| 18:39.18 | asarch | Thank you acz32 |
| 18:39.22 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 18:39.30 | DammitJim | man, and for the longest time I thought it was an exFat vs fat32 thin |
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| 18:39.32 | DammitJim | thing* |
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| 18:39.43 | mtn | jhambo, you can use win32diskimager |
| 18:39.45 | acz32 | asarch: welcome |
| 18:39.47 | peterrooney | !ops bruncol - pm spam |
| 18:39.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: bruncol - pm spam |
| 18:39.52 | acz32 | jhambo: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 18:40.05 | fragtastic | jhambo, try unetbootin or one of the other tools |
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| 18:40.23 | jemendja | hi |
| 18:40.26 | mentor | peterrooney: Please context Freenode ops |
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| 18:40.49 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 18:40.50 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 18:40.59 | fragtastic | LOL that was fast |
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| 18:41.42 | DammitJim | weird... iotop doesn't tell me how fast it's writing... it just shows IO % move |
| 18:41.48 | fragtastic | mtn, hmm, didn't know it mangles the installer |
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| 18:43.47 | jhambo | fragtastic, mtn, yes it was that warning that steered me away from using UNetbootin. Does that warning apply to the net install image? |
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| 18:44.02 | mtn | jhambo, yes |
| 18:44.11 | mtn | jhambo, the installer is the same in all versions |
| 18:44.20 | jhambo | Hmmm so what would be the recommended way to get the iso onto a usb stick? |
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| 18:44.31 | mtn | jhambo, I already told you twice ;) |
| 18:44.33 | fragtastic | win32diskimager apparently |
| 18:44.57 | fragtastic | been a while since i used a windows utility to do this ;P |
| 18:45.19 | jhambo | mtn ahhh sorry this irc client doesn't have good highlighting. I think I tried that and I wound up with "Missing operating system" but I'll try again |
| 18:45.58 | mtn | jhambo, there is also a version of dd for windows, so I have been told, if you would rather use the command line |
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| 18:46.37 | fragtastic | what about the pendrive linux utility? |
| 18:47.50 | jhambo | mtn, so the problem with win32diskimager is that it only accepts .img files and the image is a .iso ... |
| 18:48.11 | DammitJim | is it better to have a usb thumb drive as exfat or fat32? |
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| 18:48.42 | mtn | DammitJim, I like ext4, myself ;) |
| 18:48.52 | jhambo | ...hmmm maybe they are the same format and I just rename it? |
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| 18:49.10 | DammitJim | LOL... I need to be able to have windows read it, though :( |
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| 18:49.35 | mtn | DammitJim, oh, well you didn't say that :P |
| 18:49.46 | DammitJim | tru, sorry |
| 18:49.49 | DammitJim | but what do you think? |
| 18:50.07 | mtn | DammitJim, I don't use windows, so... |
| 18:50.24 | hassoon | d'oh |
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| 18:50.38 | hassoon | now i want to purge gnome3 after installing kde |
| 18:50.39 | DammitJim | ouch! |
| 18:50.48 | hassoon | i don't want to know which packages i lust purge |
| 18:50.51 | hassoon | i'm confused |
| 18:50.57 | hassoon | *must * |
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| 18:52.26 | DammitJim | :D |
| 18:52.29 | DammitJim | exfat it is |
| 18:52.29 | acz32 | hassoon: can't you just remove the gnome metapackage? i think that will flag the software bundled with it for removal too but i could be mistaken |
| 18:52.43 | cdb23ax | hello, i have a xen hvm running in my environment and i cant ping outside dom0 |
| 18:53.09 | cdb23ax | i can ping the xen hvm from dom0 but not from an pc in the same subnet |
| 18:53.33 | cdb23ax | my setup is eth1 and eth2 bridged to xenbr0 and 1 |
| 18:54.15 | cdb23ax | and the test pc is directly connected to eth0 |
| 18:54.26 | cdb23ax | and eth0 is bridged to xenbr0 |
| 18:54.39 | cdb23ax | xenbr0 10.254.254.253 255.0.0.0 |
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| 18:55.00 | cdb23ax | client pc 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 and xen hvm 10.254.254.254 255.0.0.0 |
| 18:55.13 | cdb23ax | ping from 10.254.254.253 possible to 10.254.254.254 |
| 18:55.21 | cdb23ax | but not from 10.0.0.1 to 10.254.254.254 |
| 18:55.57 | cdb23ax | ping from 10.0.0.1 client pc to 10.254.254.253 possible |
| 18:56.01 | cdb23ax | anyone an idea? |
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| 19:05.16 | jhambo | mtn, fragtastic, so I just had to use the iso even though win32diskimager wanted an img. It worked just fine |
| 19:05.30 | mtn | jhambo, nice |
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| 19:06.56 | liceoprova | cao |
| 19:07.01 | liceoprova | !list |
| 19:07.02 | dpkg | liceoprova: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 19:14.27 | teaearlgraycold | Hey, I'm trying to boot from the net install ISO - first try I was told there was "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!", now I'm at the grub rescue prompt. |
| 19:15.02 | teaearlgraycold | Initially I burned the ISO to the USB drive with Yumi, this time I've tried it with dd |
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| 19:15.33 | teaearlgraycold | Currently it's FAT16 formatted (the debian documentation said "FAT" so I assumed FAT = FAT16) |
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| 19:16.13 | mtn | teaearlgraycold, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 19:17.31 | teaearlgraycold | mtn, thanks. And I'm correct in assuming I want FAT16, not FAT32? |
| 19:17.47 | jhutchins | teaearlgraycold: You don't need to worry about the format, it's part of the image. |
| 19:17.53 | teaearlgraycold | Okay |
| 19:17.55 | mtn | teaearlgraycold, neither, formatting does not matter when making a boot disk |
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| 19:18.33 | jhutchins | teaearlgraycold: One thing you really want to make sure of is that the md5sum of your image matches the sums posted on the repository. |
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| 19:19.09 | teaearlgraycold | jhutchins, I'll check that |
| 19:20.33 | teaearlgraycold | I'm not seeing any md5sums on the download page |
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| 19:20.55 | Guest50 | anyone got mencoder running on Jessie? |
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| 19:24.02 | jhutchins | teaearlgraycold: What url are you downloading from? |
| 19:24.09 | jhutchins | !md5sum |
| 19:24.10 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
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| 19:25.10 | teaearlgraycold | jhutchins, http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:25.31 | teaearlgraycold | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 19:26.09 | teaearlgraycold | $ 1a311f9afb68d6365211b13b4342c40b debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:28.51 | guesswhooooooooo | I'm trying to remove lines from a text file containing less than <=5 characters. The following command only displays the results, but doesn't write to the txt file. Any idea what's going on? --> awk '{if (length($0) <= 5) print $0; }' filename.txt |
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| 19:29.58 | jaybe | direct output to a file; i.e. echo hi > hi.txt |
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| 19:30.57 | teaearlgraycold | guesswhooooooooo, awk '{if (length($0) <= 5) print $0; }' > output.txt |
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| 19:33.21 | teaearlgraycold | Okay I got it booted up, thanks for your help everyone |
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| 19:34.38 | guesswhooooooooo | <teaearlgraycold>: thanks |
| 19:35.08 | teaearlgraycold | Oh, I'm not seeing this option: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo#Select_a_Desktop_Environment |
| 19:35.13 | guesswhooooooooo | but what about the input.txt? |
| 19:35.27 | guesswhooooooooo | right before the > ? |
| 19:35.41 | teaearlgraycold | guesswhooooooooo, IIRC you can specify a file as awk -f input.txt 'awk string' |
| 19:35.50 | guesswhooooooooo | thank you |
| 19:35.53 | teaearlgraycold | You can also pip to awk, so worst case is: |
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| 19:36.05 | teaearlgraycold | cat input.txt | awk 'awkstring' > output.txt |
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| 19:36.45 | teaearlgraycold | guesswhooooooooo, my bad, that's the program file, not the input file |
| 19:36.59 | guesswhooooooooo | cat input.txt | awk '{if (length($0) <= 5) print $0; }' > output.txt |
| 19:37.00 | guesswhooooooooo | right? |
| 19:37.00 | teaearlgraycold | Yeah it should be just awk 'code' file > output |
| 19:37.13 | teaearlgraycold | Or cat if it suits you |
| 19:37.17 | guesswhooooooooo | thanks :) |
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| 19:38.06 | DammitJim | weird... I am mounting a usb drive that has exfat and it mounts, then dismounts |
| 19:38.23 | abrotman | DammitJim: check dmesg |
| 19:38.28 | DammitJim | when I do ls on the drive that I saw it mounted, it says: ls: cannot open directory .: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 19:38.36 | guesswhooooooooo | teaearlygraycold: that resolve my issue thank you! |
| 19:38.48 | DammitJim | dmesg is clean... the last line says: sd 11:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 19:39.53 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/DsJupEC3 this is what the syslog says |
| 19:40.51 | DammitJim | then it says: usbmount: executing command: run-parts /etc/usbmount/mount.d |
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| 19:45.20 | sorin-mihai | after installing debian with debootstrap, what would be the proper way to install other stuff like it would've been installed with the installer? |
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| 19:47.25 | jhutchins | sorin-mihai: chroot to the system and use apt. |
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| 19:52.53 | jhutchins | sorin-mihai: Make sense? |
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| 19:53.19 | popra | i have installed awesome on debian 8, but it does not show up in the list of window managers on the login screen. what could be the reason for that? |
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| 19:54.03 | jhutchins | !awesome |
| 19:54.03 | dpkg | somebody said awesome was a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://wiki.debian.org/Awesome http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:57.35 | abrotman | jhutchins: Do you know what's in half the bot messages you call? That's useless |
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| 20:00.20 | DarkUranium | hi |
| 20:00.41 | DarkUranium | any idea what could've caused the following error (when executing `login -f root`): |
| 20:00.42 | DarkUranium | login: PAM Failure, aborting: Critical error - immediate abort |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | popra: I'm not at home at the moment. I believe you have to create a control file, the DMs look in a specific directory for those files. It then populates the list |
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| 20:02.01 | abrotman | popra: look in /usr/share/xsessions/ but I'll have to verify at home. |
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| 20:04.39 | abrotman | DarkUranium: touch /etc/pam_debug, turn on *.debug in your syslog, restart syslog |
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| 20:07.53 | felixr | hi there . likewiseOpen question is there a way to prevent users from unlocking the screen with the local passwd for the user ? |
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| 20:12.51 | newhd | i bought a 750 GB hd for my 2013 intel core i3 laptop and i plan to install debian 8.1 as my only os. i have created a bootable cdrom, can actually boot in UEFI mode with it. do i need to create an efi partition to install debian 8.1? |
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| 20:17.24 | jhutchins | felixr: What are you really trying to do? |
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| 20:17.51 | jhutchins | newhd: Not if you have BIOS support on the system. |
| 20:18.13 | jhutchins | newhd: Has nothing to do with disk or OS. |
| 20:18.30 | newhd | jhutchins, what do you mean? |
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| 20:19.37 | jhutchins | newhd: Whether you need EFI support depends on what your motherboard needs. |
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| 20:20.15 | jhutchins | newhd: intel i3 is not enough information for us to know that. |
| 20:20.30 | newhd | the laptop supports UEFI and a Legacy mode |
| 20:20.52 | jhutchins | newhd: In that case legacy mode should be the same as BIOS, and you won't need EFI. |
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| 20:21.59 | newhd | jhuebner, is it UEFI better than Legacy mode? |
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| 20:22.10 | newhd | jhutchins, is it UEFI better than Legacy mode? |
| 20:22.28 | jhutchins | newhd: For some things, but probably not anything you'll deal with. |
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| 20:24.34 | jhutchins | newhd: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E20881_01/html/E20891/gltbf.html |
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| 20:26.43 | jelly | newhd: usually, it's just more complicated |
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| 20:26.56 | newhd | jhutchins, according to that url uefi seems the way to go, can iinstall debian 8.1 as my only os in uefi mode on my laptop's new hd? |
| 20:27.11 | newhd | jelly, more complicated? |
| 20:27.25 | jelly | more complex, yes |
| 20:28.06 | newhd | jelly, can you give more details please? |
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| 20:28.44 | jelly | no, I can't, other than anectodal issues trying to install on UEFI and legacy capable servers |
| 20:29.13 | jelly | uefi was without exception more problematic to set up |
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| 20:30.26 | newhd | jelly, my laptop is not going to be a server, it will be my desktop system and debian 81. will be the only os on the hd |
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| 20:32.08 | jhutchins | newhd: Note that that article is an Oracle article. Oracle tends to run on VERY BIG systems. |
| 20:32.59 | jhutchins | newhd: I would recommend using legacy mode and continuing to learn about UEFI as the Linux community continues to learn and develop tools to work with it. A future install might well be EFI. |
| 20:33.28 | jelly | newhd: more the reason not to bother with uefi |
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| 20:34.45 | newhd | jelly, my laptop is not going to be a server, it will be my desktop system and debian 8.1 will be the only os on the hd. Debian 8.1 supports uefi so why should i choose legacy when uefi is better? |
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| 20:36.11 | newhd | jhutchins, , my laptop is not going to be a server, it will be my desktop system and debian 8.1 will be *the only* os on the hd. Debian 8.1 supports uefi so why should i choose legacy when uefi is better and supported? |
| 20:37.46 | DammitJim | wow, why is it that when doing an rsync to a usb drive, one sees the progress complete, but then it just hangs? |
| 20:37.50 | DammitJim | is that because of the write cache? |
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| 20:38.46 | valdyn | DammitJim: yea |
| 20:38.53 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 20:39.00 | DammitJim | how does one see the effective copy speed, then? |
| 20:39.33 | fragtastic | DammitJim, there's a way to disable the caching |
| 20:39.35 | valdyn | DingoSaar: rsync shows the real copy speed if you copy enough data |
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| 20:39.44 | DammitJim | this thing is 800 MBs |
| 20:39.48 | DammitJim | actually no, 1.1G |
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| 20:40.02 | valdyn | DammitJim: you want to do something like a benchmark? |
| 20:40.17 | valdyn | DammitJim: mount -o sync /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint |
| 20:40.25 | DammitJim | I'm noticing that copying files from windows to a usb drive is faster than on linux |
| 20:40.26 | DammitJim | that's all |
| 20:40.28 | ArtooDetoo | DammitJim: if you know the size and the time you can calculate the datarate |
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| 20:40.38 | valdyn | DammitJim: its faster if the filesystem is ntfs |
| 20:40.46 | DammitJim | where is it faster? |
| 20:40.48 | DammitJim | this is fat32 |
| 20:40.50 | valdyn | DammitJim: on windows |
| 20:40.57 | valdyn | DammitJim: on fat it makes no difference |
| 20:41.03 | DammitJim | it does here |
| 20:41.08 | valdyn | i doubt it |
| 20:41.10 | DammitJim | so, I"m thinking there is something else messing with me |
| 20:41.30 | valdyn | what are you comparing anyway? |
| 20:41.31 | DammitJim | iotop doesn't show anything either |
| 20:41.40 | valdyn | the speed shown in windows to the speed shown on rsync? |
| 20:41.50 | newhd | jelly, not to bother with uefi? are you saying that i am better off disabling UEFI mode and choosing legacy even though uefi is better and supported by debian 8.1? |
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| 20:41.54 | valdyn | those numbers are not even supposed to be benchmarks |
| 20:41.54 | DammitJim | I'm comparing copying a 1.1GB file on a windows machine to a usb drive vs on a Linux machine to the same drive |
| 20:42.02 | DammitJim | I use a stopwatch |
| 20:42.03 | DammitJim | that's all |
| 20:42.04 | ArtooDetoo | the same machine? |
| 20:42.19 | valdyn | DammitJim: you know, windows has a write cache too |
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| 20:42.27 | DammitJim | no, different machine, but the linux machine is 3 times slower and it has an ssd vs the windows desktop that has spinning drives |
| 20:42.40 | DammitJim | right, so what is messing with my Linux setup? |
| 20:42.45 | ArtooDetoo | well then you can't really compare the results |
| 20:42.48 | DammitJim | earlier I disabled sync and that seemed to help |
| 20:42.51 | DammitJim | btw, I'm usinb usbmount |
| 20:43.16 | DammitJim | ArtooDetoo, the only reason to compare them is because I want to figure out why Linux is so much slower |
| 20:43.34 | ArtooDetoo | if you don't compare it on the same pc there can be many reasons |
| 20:43.41 | ArtooDetoo | slower usb-controller |
| 20:43.48 | ArtooDetoo | for example |
| 20:43.52 | DammitJim | like what? I understand your logic, but it doesn't apply here |
| 20:44.12 | valdyn | or different usb spec |
| 20:44.17 | DammitJim | actually you know, what? I'll do what you are asking but I bet you it is the same results (the linux machine is dual boot) |
| 20:44.18 | DammitJim | brb |
| 20:44.19 | valdyn | like usb2 vs 3 |
| 20:44.30 | ArtooDetoo | DammitJim: good idea |
| 20:44.32 | DammitJim | like I said, there is something else messing with me |
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| 20:44.41 | DammitJim | brb |
| 20:45.08 | valdyn | or high power usb drive vs low power usb port |
| 20:45.24 | DammitJim | it's copying on windows now |
| 20:45.39 | DammitJim | start thinking about other reasons... I know there is something going on with Linux |
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| 20:45.52 | DammitJim | yup, the copy took 1 minute |
| 20:46.01 | valdyn | really? |
| 20:46.01 | DammitJim | on Windows, but it took over 3 minutes on Linux |
| 20:46.03 | DammitJim | yup |
| 20:46.05 | valdyn | one minute did not pass yet |
| 20:46.08 | valdyn | so hardly |
| 20:46.11 | DammitJim | it did |
| 20:46.16 | valdyn | lol |
| 20:46.17 | DammitJim | I started the copy before I told you guys |
| 20:46.23 | valdyn | hmm |
| 20:46.31 | DammitJim | let me try it again on linux |
| 20:46.39 | DammitJim | this is Debian JEssie, btw |
| 20:46.59 | valdyn | DammitJim: this is a really dirty method to do benchmarks, though it may be ok to get within that 3x range you are talking about |
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| 20:47.25 | DarkUranium | abrotman, hey, sorry, I was talking to people in #debian, so I didn't get around to the pam_debug thing |
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| 20:47.53 | DarkUranium | abrotman, at any rate, the entire thing is a debootstrapped system, and not a "native" one ... so there isn't really a syslog ATM |
| 20:47.53 | newhd | jhutchins, you said "A future install might well be EFI." do you mean debian 9? |
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| 20:48.07 | DammitJim | it's dirty, but it's frustrating that the Linux system copies so much slower |
| 20:48.14 | DammitJim | not only that, but iotop doesn't tell me write speeds |
| 20:48.39 | DammitJim | and rsync says 100%, but it doesn't return until it is really done 3 minutes later |
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| 20:48.56 | DammitJim | maybe there is some kind of flag on usbmount that is not working right |
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| 20:50.27 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Actually, I've heard a lot of anecdotal evidence that USB through 2.0 is just plain slow on Linux. |
| 20:50.35 | valdyn | it isnt |
| 20:50.41 | valdyn | not generally |
| 20:50.57 | valdyn | DammitJim: try to use cp or just cat or dd, rsync does more than just copy |
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| 20:51.12 | DammitJim | the other thing I'm not understanding is that I unmounted the drive just now |
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| 20:51.23 | DammitJim | then I mounted it back manually (instead of usbmount doing the work) |
| 20:51.24 | valdyn | DammitJim: rsync doesnt even try to be fast for your application |
| 20:51.32 | DammitJim | and performed the cp command and it returned right away! |
| 20:51.41 | DammitJim | I just did cp |
| 20:51.49 | DammitJim | on my tests on windows and linux |
| 20:51.52 | valdyn | DammitJim: so now we know that rsync is slow? |
| 20:51.54 | DammitJim | and after the umount |
| 20:51.57 | valdyn | DammitJim: and cp is fast? |
| 20:52.08 | DammitJim | no, cp and rsync are both slower than Windows |
| 20:52.11 | DammitJim | at this stage |
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| 20:53.49 | DammitJim | ok, I think it's a problem with usbmount |
| 20:53.54 | DammitJim | maybe I don't have the right flags set |
| 20:54.15 | DammitJim | I copied a 700M file in like 3 seconds if I don't use usbmount |
| 20:54.19 | ArtooDetoo | to get the exact time on linux you can write a shell script which executes "cp" and "sync" afterwards and run it through "time" |
| 20:54.21 | DammitJim | let me try it again |
| 20:55.18 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Many systems have both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 hubs. Different ports, different speeds. |
| 20:55.19 | DammitJim | yup... something is up with usbmount |
| 20:55.20 | DammitJim | ugh |
| 20:55.31 | DammitJim | ok, here is where I stand right now |
| 20:55.52 | DammitJim | if I let usbmount mount the usb drive, it takes close to 2 minutes for a 700MB file |
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| 20:56.21 | DammitJim | if I mount it manually using mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 -o uid=1000,gid=1000, it copies it in 3 seconds! |
| 20:56.41 | DammitJim | that's crazy... 3 secods? that sounds a little too fast |
| 20:56.46 | DammitJim | but it returns within 3 seconds |
| 20:57.39 | DammitJim | yup, usbmount took 2:24 |
| 20:57.43 | jhutchins | DammitJim: http://marc-abramowitz.com/archives/2007/02/17/getting-good-performance-out-of-usb-hard-drives-in-linux/ |
| 20:57.47 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Does that include sync? |
| 20:57.58 | DammitJim | jhutchins, how do I determine that? |
| 20:58.03 | DammitJim | that's the part where I am fuzzy on right now |
| 20:58.11 | jhutchins | DammitJim: run sync or umount after the copy. |
| 20:58.12 | DammitJim | and I"m just doing a cp |
| 20:58.19 | DammitJim | ok |
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| 20:58.20 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 20:58.21 | DammitJim | here we go |
| 20:58.22 | jhutchins | DammitJim: -bs 1024 |
| 20:58.34 | DammitJim | sync -bs 1024 ? |
| 20:58.34 | jhutchins | DammitJim: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html |
| 20:59.38 | jhutchins | DammitJim: no, dd. First check mount to see what the filesystem blocksize is, use that. |
| 20:59.49 | DammitJim | dd what? |
| 20:59.54 | DammitJim | now I'm confused |
| 20:59.57 | DammitJim | I've been using cp |
| 21:01.04 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Sorry, not paying attention. |
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| 21:01.20 | frostschutz | DammitJim, any difference in mount options? check /proc/mounts |
| 21:01.26 | DammitJim | jhutchins, your suggestion is a good one |
| 21:01.34 | DammitJim | I did cp command and it returned right away |
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| 21:01.40 | DammitJim | I did sudo umount /media/usb0 |
| 21:01.47 | DammitJim | and it's been 1:34 minutes |
| 21:01.48 | jhutchins | DammitJim: http://superuser.com/questions/203538/how-do-i-get-better-usb-transfer-speeds-in-xubuntu |
| 21:01.50 | DammitJim | so, it's not any faster |
| 21:02.15 | DammitJim | ok, it took 1:49 this time (not using usbmount) |
| 21:02.20 | DammitJim | it probably doesn't make a difference |
| 21:02.21 | DammitJim | *sigh* |
| 21:02.35 | jhutchins | DammitJim: cp returns as soon as it's buffered, umount or sync actually dumps the buffers to the drive. |
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| 21:02.54 | DammitJim | yeah (I had disabled sync on usbmount to make it faster) |
| 21:03.09 | DammitJim | ugh |
| 21:03.12 | DammitJim | I'll have to take a look at this later |
| 21:03.13 | newhd | i bought a new hd for my 2013 intel core i3 laptop. Debian 8.1 will be *the only* os on the hd. i've been told not to bother with uefi because it is too complicated without giving me any specific details. Debian 8.1 supports uefi so why should i choose legacy when uefi is better and supported? |
| 21:03.14 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 21:03.43 | jhutchins | DammitJim: The sync mount option and the sync command are different things. |
| 21:03.57 | newhd | btw i have created a bootable debian 8.1 CD and it boots in uefi mode |
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| 21:05.30 | jhutchins | newhd: 1) Because you don't know the answer to that question. 2) You are much more likely to have trouble installing in UEFI mode. It is possible, it's been possible for more than ten years, it's what is used on Mac and large IBM hardware, but it's still tricky, especially on PC hardware. 3) The advantages that UEFI provides, other than possibly microscopically faster boot, are not something you as an |
| 21:05.36 | jhutchins | ordinary user will see. (If you were writing software that interfaced directly with the hardware that would be different.) |
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| 21:06.47 | xanthippe | why am I getting this when I do "apt-get update"? Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl |
| 21:08.31 | newhd | jhutchins, ok so it seems legacy mode is the way to go if debian 8.1 is going to be *the only* os on the laptop's hd. thanks |
| 21:09.44 | jhutchins | newhd: On the other hand, if the purpose of this install was to give you computer problems to play with and solve, by all means go with UEFI. If what you're after is a computer to do work with rather than a computer to work on, legacy's the way to go. |
| 21:09.49 | jhutchins | newhd: For now. |
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| 21:10.16 | ryouma | jhutchins: can you still have a partition larger than 2tb? |
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| 21:10.48 | newhd | thanks for your advice. will install debian 8.1 later on today. legacy mode that is. |
| 21:11.02 | jhutchins | ryouma: I have read that that's an advantage of UEFI, but I thought that was determined by GPT, which I believe is OK with BIOS mode. |
| 21:11.19 | jhutchins | ryouma: He's doing 7500G, so not an issue. For now. |
| 21:11.30 | jhutchins | s/7500/750/ |
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| 21:12.09 | ryouma | i know on my regular bios box, supposedly i cannot do >2tb disks; it will partition into 2 disks |
| 21:12.18 | ryouma | it will appear as 2 disks* |
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| 21:14.09 | berndj | if i do dpkg -l, i have a package with 'rc' in the first column. where are these statii documented? and in particular, how can i list those left-over config files? |
| 21:14.32 | frostschutz | ryouma, huh? as long as the disk is detected properly, all you need is gpt partitions |
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| 21:16.40 | jhutchins | ryouma: In order to present two disks it must be able to see the whole disk. |
| 21:17.07 | jhutchins | frostschutz: iirc gpt doesn't require efi. |
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| 21:17.28 | jhutchins | ryouma: That's not to say that there aren't bioses out there that do weird things. |
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| 21:18.13 | valdyn | ryouma: this may be, for *booting* from that disk. After that its all between linux and the sata controller, no bios involved. |
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| 21:20.05 | ryouma | jhutchins: yeah that's the impression i get from a cursory search: presumably new bioses can use gpt, and i'd guess even for booting as long as the boot partition is not too large. |
| 21:21.22 | ryouma | (http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-gpt/ seems to suggest that some bioses are ok for htat) |
| 21:21.59 | frostschutz | ryouma, gpt should be fully backwards compatible... there is a msdos partition table on a gpt disk. bios just has to kick off the mbr and everything from there on is bootloader territory |
| 21:22.15 | frostschutz | and from there, the OS |
| 21:22.27 | berndj | ok, duh, i was piping dpkg output to grep, so i didn't see the first few lines. so that's the docs. still, how do i list the undead config files? |
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| 21:22.47 | jhutchins | frostschutz: THat's what I thought I remembered. |
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| 21:41.30 | valdyn | berndj: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list |
| 21:42.34 | berndj | valdyn: i'm assuming you mean $package.list? it's empty! |
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| 21:42.54 | valdyn | berndj: no, i mean <packagename>.list |
| 21:43.16 | berndj | yes, in this example, /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-9.1.list - it's empty |
| 21:43.25 | felixr | jhutchins: ah sorry. i have likewise configured on some clients and they are able to unlock the session with their local passwords . i wonder if this is expected because likewise is set to suficient in the PAM config |
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| 21:43.32 | valdyn | berndj: theres no file then |
| 21:43.44 | berndj | valdyn, but dpkg says "rc"?? |
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| 21:44.08 | valdyn | berndj: yea, its not purged, all the config is still there, but all the config is none |
| 21:44.47 | valdyn | berndj: this looks like a meta-package anyway |
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| 21:45.20 | berndj | i still have /etc/postgresql/9.1/<some files>, but that's just me making an educated guess which files are involved. how does dpkg know to print 'rc' and not omit it from the list entirely? |
| 21:45.29 | valdyn | berndj: no, its the actual server |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | berndj: the config may be in a seperate package |
| 21:46.12 | berndj | valdyn, but then dpkg shouldn't be saying "rc" for this package? |
| 21:47.19 | valdyn | berndj: even lib* packages can be ^rc and they dont have config |
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| 21:47.39 | valdyn | (usually) |
| 21:47.55 | berndj | would that be due to the libfoo.so symlinks? |
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| 21:49.14 | berndj | but dpkg must know somehow that these files are related to the package! how does it know? /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.list apparently isn't it (or it wouldn't be empty)??? |
| 21:49.19 | berndj | so confused :( |
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| 21:50.14 | acz32 | what could be the culprit if i have slow xorg start? between startx and DE starting is about 20 seconds |
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| 21:54.21 | ra_ | hi, I am using kde and unable to switch to other desktop environments, despite gnome, cinnamon, mate are also installed. Any clue? |
| 21:55.02 | ra_ | I have x-session-manager set to kde and x-window-manager to kwin. Is this a problem? |
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| 22:24.43 | hassoon | anyone managed to install the new nice-looking kde 5 in debian jessie ? |
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| 22:29.01 | Brigo | ,v kde-standard |
| 22:29.02 | judd | Package: kde-standard on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; sid: 5:84; jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:84 |
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| 22:30.15 | masoudd | Hi, I have a debian vps, I'm trying to run a web server on it. It seems that any incoming packets for port 80 are being dropped. This is output of `iptables -L`: http://ix.io/jIt any other port is fine, only 80 seems to have problem. Is it the iptables settings? Or should I look elsewhere? |
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| 22:31.05 | Brigo | masoudd, this firewall looks unconfigured, so it shouldn't be the problem. |
| 22:31.41 | Brigo | masoudd, what is the output of iptables -L -t nat |
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| 22:31.51 | toothe | I just installed Debian, and have grub load up, but I can't boot into Linux. |
| 22:31.55 | toothe | I have almost no idea how to use grub. |
| 22:32.07 | toothe | How do I actually boot? And how do I set grub to pick a kernel without having to choose one? |
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| 22:32.58 | zege | toothe: after installing correctly, there should be no Problem. There is a highlighted entry in the grub menu wich should be bootet after a few seconds. |
| 22:34.14 | toothe | hm...maybe it didn't install properly? |
| 22:34.16 | Equa | toothe: do you have multiple hard drives? |
| 22:34.41 | toothe | no, 1 |
| 22:35.05 | Brigo | what's grub saying? |
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| 22:38.50 | toothe | Brigo: Back, sorry |
| 22:38.56 | toothe | no, it just gives me the grub menu again. |
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| 22:39.24 | Brigo | toothe, that's weird. |
| 22:39.25 | Equa | toothe: how did you install grub? thru the debian installer? |
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| 22:40.59 | toothe | you know, I don't recall seeing grub install last night |
| 22:41.01 | toothe | maybe not |
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| 22:41.22 | toothe | i do recall that coming up when I installed debian in a VM, but not when I installed this time. |
| 22:41.49 | Equa | toothe: put the disk back in and go into rescue mode and install it or https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 22:50.21 | acz32 | toothe: when you install debian on EFI systems i think you don't get that grub section of the installer |
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| 22:55.38 | toothe | hm... |
| 22:55.41 | toothe | do I need to reinstall this? |
| 22:55.44 | toothe | start anew? |
| 22:55.53 | toothe | or is there a way to boot in, and then fix grub? |
| 22:56.29 | zege | toothe: with the installer disk/usb-drive you can boot into a rescue mode and install grub. |
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| 23:00.11 | masoudd | Brigo: Apologies, my connection is... not ideal. output of `iptables -L -t nat`: http://ix.io/7nN |
| 23:00.43 | Brigo | masoudd, it is clean too, the firewall is not the problem, then. |
| 23:00.49 | Equa | masoudd: are you using any other fw? seems like you don't have a firewall problem |
| 23:01.23 | masoudd | I just bought a month of this vps. I asked for a clean jessie install this is what I got |
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| 23:01.48 | Equa | masoudd: how do you know port 80 is being blocked/dropped? |
| 23:01.55 | masoudd | Equa: I'm not sure if they configured any other fw on their default image. how can I check that? |
| 23:02.03 | masoudd | Equa: nc -l -p 80 |
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| 23:02.45 | masoudd | when I replace 80 with anyother port, I can do nc $myvpsip $port and connect |
| 23:03.04 | masoudd | but with 80 it does not connect, and it does not close the connection. |
| 23:03.12 | masoudd | it seems it is being dropped |
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| 23:04.09 | masoudd | I don't mind sharing the ip though |
| 23:04.11 | masoudd | 46.4.239.210 |
| 23:04.21 | masoudd | I'm running a lighttpd on 80 right now |
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| 23:05.35 | Equa | masoudd: what's the output of netstat -napt | grep 80 |
| 23:06.14 | masoudd | Equa: http://ix.io/jIB |
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| 23:10.01 | Equa | masoudd: check the lighttpd log for errors or try restarting the service to see if there are any issue. |
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| 23:11.53 | masoudd | Equa: If I change the "server.port" in lighttpd.conf to any other value, it works. I just changed it to 81. check http://46.4.239.210:81 |
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| 23:14.13 | abrotman | have you verified something else isn't on port 80 |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | ?? |
| 23:14.19 | AvocetVIS | good ole hetzner, wise choice masoudd |
| 23:15.32 | Equa | abrotman: we checked that with netstat. http://ix.io/jIB |
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| 23:16.01 | masoudd | AvocetVIS: I'm in Iran, and actually bought this from a small company in Iran. I guess they got their servers from hetzner |
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| 23:16.37 | masoudd | AvocetVIS: Is hetzner a bad company? |
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| 23:16.51 | AvocetVIS | masoudd, not from my experience, it's very bare bones, very non-managed |
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| 23:19.01 | ptrz | so, I'm in the boot prompt on a server with a huge filesystem. It hadn't been fscked in 194 days, so it decided to do that. |
| 23:19.12 | ptrz | and I'm sitting... waiting... getting no information |
| 23:19.22 | ptrz | other than two disparate systemd-fsck log lines |
| 23:19.37 | ptrz | what do I do? Is there any way I can track its progress better? |
| 23:19.54 | ptrz | I want to know how long it'll take so I'll know whether it'll be back up before I have to leave |
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| 23:22.44 | ptrz | furthermore, its last line is "Mounted /srv." so I really have no idea what it's been up to since :) |
| 23:24.11 | acz32 | what should i check if iceweasel plays no sound? videos are silent |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | be thankful |
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| 23:25.00 | Equa | masoudd: do dpkg -l and check if any other fw packages are installed. names are located here https://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
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| 23:25.32 | Equa | acz32: check your alsa mixer or pulseaudio |
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| 23:27.01 | acz32 | in alsamixer it seems i have to audio devices. one generic and one ATI |
| 23:27.05 | acz32 | two* |
| 23:29.34 | Equa | acz32: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA go down to troubleshooting and choose forced the cards to load in different order |
| 23:29.36 | masoudd | Equa: Nothing. I submitted a ticket complaining let me see what he comes up with. I suspect the problem is on their end |
| 23:30.08 | Equa | masoudd: do your havr their site? i can look it up if they block port 80 by default |
| 23:30.10 | acz32 | Equa: thanks |
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| 23:46.51 | masoudd | Equa: This is their website, it's in persian though. http://javanserver.com |
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| 23:57.41 | Equa | masoudd: nothing useful there. only basic linux permissions and network configurations. |
| 23:58.19 | masoudd | Equa: What did you check actually? |
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| 23:58.38 | Equa | masoudd: i just went thru the guide or faq policy and etc... |
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