| 00:00.37 | masoudd | Equa: Do you know persian? |
| 00:00.52 | Equa | masoudd: google translate :) |
| 00:01.00 | sigur | which gnome extensions are must have on jessie desktop? |
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| 00:04.44 | masoudd | Equa: You are putting too much effort into this. Thank you |
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| 00:05.10 | freq | hello |
| 00:05.13 | Equa | masoudd: i dont' mind. we'll just need to wait for a response from them. |
| 00:05.26 | freq | i am working on a debootstrap |
| 00:05.43 | freq | once the root file has been completed do i move it to the partitioned drive? |
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| 00:19.15 | seoner | hi what is this about? |
| 00:19.17 | seoner | ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 7 |
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| 00:20.47 | dvs | !fgi ERROR: Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 7 |
| 00:20.48 | dpkg | ERROR:: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=Linux route add command failed: external program exited with error status: 7 |
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| 00:21.40 | networkguy | H |
| 00:22.32 | networkguy | How do you share a file on linux with other linux machines on the network? |
| 00:22.38 | networkguy | a folder with other users |
| 00:22.56 | dvs | networkguy: Usually NFS |
| 00:23.05 | dvs | if security is not an issue |
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| 00:23.41 | networkguy | dvs: can you direct me in the direction how to s hare multipule folder usin gnfs |
| 00:23.46 | networkguy | nfs* |
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| 00:24.52 | dvs | networkguy: What about it? Add an entry to the /etc/fstab file |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | networkguy: nfs has a ridiculous amount of documentation on the web |
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| 00:25.29 | networkguy | I have 4 folders in linux and I want to share them wit 4 workstation computers |
| 00:25.31 | networkguy | what do I do |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | networkguy: what OS are the computers running? |
| 00:26.10 | networkguy | Fedora Linux and Client machines are mint linux |
| 00:26.20 | networkguy | the Fedora Im usin gas web srever and share file server |
| 00:26.23 | dvs | ?? |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | networkguy: so why would you ask here? |
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| 00:26.48 | abrotman | networkguy: use the distro channels for the distros you use, or ask ##linux. Honestly, NFS has so many docs on the web, this is easy. Good luck |
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| 01:12.38 | seoner | closed by remote host. |
| 01:12.41 | seoner | what does it mean? |
| 01:12.43 | seoner | ssh |
| 01:12.43 | seoner | ? |
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| 01:41.08 | DammitJim | I'm in trouble |
| 01:41.21 | DammitJim | I extended a logical partition as I followed instructions found online |
| 01:41.46 | DammitJim | but when I do an df, I don't see the space shown in lvdisplay |
| 01:42.02 | DammitJim | I've read that I need to do resize2fs, but when I run that command, I get a Bad Magic Number message |
| 01:42.04 | rselon | DammitJim: you need to extend the file system too |
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| 01:42.37 | DammitJim | I did, with vgextend |
| 01:42.55 | DammitJim | and then lvextend for the logical |
| 01:43.06 | DammitJim | so, when I do an lvdisplay, I can see the proper size |
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| 01:43.19 | rselon | DammitJim: you extended the volume, the storage space but not the filesystem you need resize2fs as you said |
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| 01:43.52 | DammitJim | right, but resize2fs gives me this Bad magic number error |
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| 01:44.39 | rselon | DammitJim: unmount, run an fsck and try running resize2fs again |
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| 01:44.56 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/mAy3sYez |
| 01:45.13 | DammitJim | resize2fs should be run with the partition unmounted? |
| 01:45.58 | rselon | DammitJim: works both ways, but just checking if the error had anything to do with it being mounted |
| 01:46.17 | DammitJim | oh, dammit... this is the home partition.. it doesn't let me unmount it |
| 01:46.23 | DammitJim | it says it's busy :( |
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| 01:46.27 | DammitJim | thanks for the help rselon ! |
| 01:46.37 | rselon | DammitJim: are you sure its ext4? |
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| 01:47.19 | rselon | or a filesystem resize2fs supports |
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| 01:47.45 | DammitJim | no, it's xfs |
| 01:47.50 | DammitJim | oh |
| 01:48.16 | rselon | -_- |
| 01:48.43 | rselon | you need the xfs tools to resize it |
| 01:48.57 | rselon | xfs_growfs according to my google-fu |
| 01:49.05 | DammitJim | oh |
| 01:49.29 | DammitJim | holy crap dude |
| 01:49.32 | DammitJim | I'm blind |
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| 01:49.42 | DammitJim | and I am very thankful for your observation |
| 01:49.56 | DammitJim | I didn't even think about the file system type! You are a hero in my book tonight |
| 01:50.11 | DammitJim | (not sure how much that is worth to you) |
| 01:50.39 | rselon | hehe, next time do a search on the error the first result is literally this: |
| 01:50.40 | rselon | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26305376/resize2fs-bad-magic-number-in-super-block-while-trying-to-open |
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| 01:50.52 | DammitJim | I didn't come across that result |
| 01:50.53 | DammitJim | :( |
| 01:51.12 | rselon | ah, its the first one on DuckDuckGo |
| 01:51.23 | DammitJim | my results started talking about people with partition tables vs no partition tables on LVMs |
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| 01:51.29 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 01:53.27 | DammitJim | thanks dude |
| 01:53.33 | rselon | np |
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| 02:12.43 | seoner | hi |
| 02:12.51 | seoner | i moved a file to /dowo folder |
| 02:12.54 | seoner | that doesnt exist |
| 02:12.58 | seoner | where is the file now? |
| 02:13.00 | seoner | i cant find it |
| 02:13.06 | seoner | because /dowo foder doesnt exist |
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| 02:14.50 | BuzzardBuzz | did you move it using a file manager or a terminal command? |
| 02:15.16 | seoner | terminal command |
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| 02:15.35 | seoner | BuzzardBuzz i just did - mv file.zip /dowo |
| 02:15.53 | seoner | now i found it |
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| 02:15.58 | BuzzardBuzz | cool |
| 02:15.59 | seoner | cd / |
| 02:16.01 | seoner | right? |
| 02:16.12 | BuzzardBuzz | i figured it would make the dir for you |
| 02:16.43 | seoner | hmh |
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| 02:16.46 | seoner | but it says |
| 02:16.47 | seoner | Not a directory |
| 02:17.08 | BuzzardBuzz | not a folder with permissions you can see? |
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| 02:17.15 | seoner | i see it |
| 02:17.19 | seoner | but it says no folder |
| 02:17.31 | BuzzardBuzz | you see it with ls? |
| 02:17.31 | seoner | cd /dowo in / |
| 02:17.34 | seoner | yes |
| 02:17.43 | seoner | but i see it there |
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| 02:18.02 | BuzzardBuzz | but you can not change to it yet |
| 02:18.50 | BuzzardBuzz | you might have to chmod the folder to allow you to get inside it maybe? |
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| 02:20.29 | seoner | how do i change chmod for a folder? |
| 02:20.37 | seoner | is it not - chmod folder 777 |
| 02:20.38 | seoner | ? |
| 02:20.43 | SirLagz | swap 777 and folder |
| 02:20.49 | dvs | seoner: man chmod |
| 02:21.04 | BuzzardBuzz | try chmod 777 /folder |
| 02:21.26 | seoner | chmod: cannot access `/www': No such file or directory |
| 02:22.03 | BuzzardBuzz | it needs to be the folder name where you moved it to |
| 02:22.42 | seoner | so it could not be a file? |
| 02:22.46 | jelly | if "chmod 777" is the answer, you're asking the wrong question |
| 02:22.48 | BuzzardBuzz | chmod 777 /dowo |
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| 02:23.34 | BuzzardBuzz | if you cant change it then you likely dont own it seoer |
| 02:24.12 | BuzzardBuzz | usually /www is owned by apache user |
| 02:24.55 | BuzzardBuzz | and you would not want those permissions set to 777 either for that www folder |
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| 02:26.06 | seoner | ok |
| 02:26.08 | BuzzardBuzz | it sounds like you are trying to set up stuff for a web server with apache |
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| 02:27.04 | BuzzardBuzz | you will want to do that as root until you get that done the way you need |
| 02:27.45 | jmcnaught | seoner: if you did a command like "mv file.zip /dowo" then the file that used to be called "file.zip" is now still a zip file named "dowo" in the "/" directory. In other words, "/dowo" is not a directory, it's a zip file. |
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| 02:28.34 | jmcnaught | seoner: if you want to extract a zip file you can use the "unzip" command, but you probably want to put it somewhere other than the root / directory. If it is a web page, somewhere like /var/www or /srv would be a better place. |
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| 02:35.16 | seoner | BuzzardBuzz jmcnaught: are you familiar with tor? |
| 02:35.44 | seoner | jmcnaught: so the .zip file renamed to dowo and placed in /, right? |
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| 02:36.36 | abrotman | for tor? |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | ti's packaged in Debian |
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| 02:37.50 | seoner | abrotman: is it possible to keep same hostname for another vps? |
| 02:38.03 | seoner | or is the hostname random generated each time? |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | how is that related? |
| 02:38.24 | seoner | abrotman: hostname .onion address |
| 02:38.39 | BuzzardBuzz | i have no experience with tor yet |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | seoner: stlil not sure how that's related |
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| 02:39.36 | seoner | abrotman: my question was. its possible to keep the hostname or move it? |
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| 02:39.52 | BuzzardBuzz | i think your corrct about the file in your / folder |
| 02:39.53 | seoner | to other vps for example |
| 02:40.21 | seoner | other question |
| 02:40.27 | seoner | BuzzardBuzz: ok thank you |
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| 02:47.24 | masoudd | seoner: Did anyone answer you? |
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| 02:47.51 | seoner | masoudd: you know tor? |
| 02:48.05 | masoudd | I use it from time to time, yes. |
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| 02:48.52 | seoner | masoudd: so is it possible to keep hostname a .onion address? and move it to a new clean tor install? |
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| 02:49.09 | seoner | masoudd: to other vps for example |
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| 02:49.18 | masoudd | seoner: I don't know |
| 02:49.45 | masoudd | seoner: I'm not sure how tor .onion addresses are generated |
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| 02:59.58 | Lewoco | Do .deb's have any information about which version of dependencies they are linked against? |
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| 03:00.48 | SirLagz | Lewoco: yes |
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| 03:01.13 | Lewoco | SirLagz, I have a .deb file, how can I see that information? |
| 03:01.28 | jelly | Lewoco: there are versioned dependencies, yes, but they do not explicitely state the ABI, just package version relations. |
| 03:02.05 | jelly | Lewoco: dpkg --info foo.deb will show the control fields. |
| 03:02.05 | Lewoco | jelly, You mean the same version information in the debian source archive? |
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| 03:06.17 | Lewoco | jelly, Why are some dependencies versionsed but others are not? For example I'm looking at angband_1%3a3.5.1-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb which has these deps: libc6 (>= 2.14), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20070908), libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.10), libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11), libtinfo5, libx11-6, angband-data |
| 03:06.44 | Lewoco | jelly, Notice how some of them have very specific version numbers (>= 1.2.3) but others have no version number at all... |
| 03:07.00 | jmcnaught | seoner: yes sorry about the delay. with a command like "mv file.zip /dowo" the .zip file was renamed to dowo and placed in / |
| 03:07.39 | SirLagz | Lewoco: are you trying to install an Ubuntu package on Debian? |
| 03:07.50 | jelly | Lewoco: because some packages had their ABIs changed during the lifetime, and this has to be taken into account, and some had not (thus far) |
| 03:08.01 | jelly | Lewoco: also, that's not Debian |
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| 03:09.03 | Lewoco | SirLagz, jelly: I'm not really try to install anything, I'm just trying to understand how .debs work. |
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| 03:10.39 | jelly | Lewoco: some of the version specifics can come from source packaging, but some of it can also be generated automatically at build time |
| 03:11.30 | Lewoco | jelly, How does it know when the ABI has changed? This is recorded in the source archive for each library? |
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| 03:28.26 | jelly | Lewoco: yes, often it is. dpkg-shlibdeps manual has some details |
| 03:34.12 | jelly | Lewoco: New Maintainers' Guide also: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/advanced.en.html#librarysymbols |
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| 03:39.43 | mek42 | Am I understanding correctly that I can use Debian to have ZFS on bare metal with pci passthrough? |
| 03:40.44 | phix | mek42: yes |
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| 03:41.44 | mek42 | oh, good, now I know what OS I'll install once I get my motherboard working again. thank you :) |
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| 03:50.36 | mek42 | to do zfs on bare metal with pci passthrough, do i want debian linux or debian kfreebsd? |
| 03:50.53 | mek42 | ^ as the dom0 |
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| 04:53.35 | mancomunado | Although windows7 prompted "operational system not found" before my try of fix repair-eternal-loop, bootusb (dd from terminal) containing both 7 and 10 images does it as well. Google is not being very helpful. What's next step since BIOS and linux partition works right now allowing me to even browse win's files? |
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| 06:29.48 | Packet_Surf | hi |
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| 06:30.17 | Packet_Surf | debian have a file server option on the install? Also does it auto install the tool to configure file sharing, like the folders u want to share with linux clients? |
| 06:30.21 | Packet_Surf | does* |
| 06:30.36 | Packet_Surf | without having to go do ton of linux commands |
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| 06:43.04 | moobase | Packet_Surf: define file sharing |
| 06:43.22 | moobase | Packet_Surf: you could share files on any computer with any tool or setup |
| 06:43.34 | moobase | Packet_Surf: even my phone share files :) |
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| 06:43.57 | moobase | are there certain requirements you're having? |
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| 06:45.37 | Packet_Surf | moobase: I have like 4 folder I want to put on debian that acts like a sharing server for the other linux client to save and share there files with linux users.] |
| 06:45.51 | Packet_Surf | so share like 4 folders to linux clients |
| 06:47.10 | moobase | I've never done that. But try Samba. I think samba is pretty popular for that sort of thing |
| 06:47.16 | Packet_Surf | ok |
| 06:47.27 | Packet_Surf | wat about swat |
| 06:47.27 | moobase | you could aslo just set up a ftp server. it all depends on what you're doing |
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| 06:47.40 | moobase | I have no idea :D. I'm a "one man user" so to speak |
| 06:47.49 | moobase | only know things I can do locally |
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| 07:16.25 | Nindustries | Morning |
| 07:16.30 | Nindustries | So this is strange, running an rsync from a synology to a debian VPS. Nethogs on my VPS reports 1.8 MB/s, but df does not show any increasing storage. I is confus :P |
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| 07:18.17 | Nindustries | It worked fine yesterday. (has been running for a week) |
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| 07:29.24 | gr8 | how do I install gnome calendar https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Calendar in debian? |
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| 07:35.04 | babilen | gr8: From source: https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.16-status.html |
| 07:35.28 | moobase | arggnrgnrn.. why isn't /etc/udev/rules.d/50-hdparm.rules .... ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sdb", RUN+="/usr/bin/hdparm -S 60 /dev/sdb" .. working? I've rebooted the computer.. disk won't sleep. Running that exact command manually allows the disk to sleep. |
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| 07:36.39 | gr8 | babilen: oh ok |
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| 07:52.35 | hellyeah | debian doesnt have opera |
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| 07:52.37 | hellyeah | wth |
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| 07:55.51 | madrik | http://deb.opera.com/manual.html |
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| 08:04.34 | Baltiva | Warren moon got charges only thing this at Disney. oh i see his get push the remove over smoke now? I know the first charged with mcnabb or video. give free should just happens to world is girl is upside is more point since then Oscar Davenport kee |
| 08:04.43 | Baltiva | this is started in. A FUCKIN MAN. having than start didn't like a books like initiator wasnt the plot of cheesecake. dk69 no idea wtf hes a native french are used brooding. he work at a 200lb athlete. lol @ dolph72: so srs bizns. it would take more of clubface at tastes a man she just say "Damn india. but not trying back a $5000 camericans. irc is smoked 3 packs out any of clubface athlete want |
| 08:04.44 | Baltiva | ugly clearliest of the Greek physician nba playing back afted no selfie. SHE SLAP. |
| 08:04.51 | Baltiva | if ronda sucks the one of that him. that it al to getting the merchandise. yum. jalapeno bread is upsident! |
| 08:04.59 | Baltiva | u just happens to there afraid? are usually think he grabbed it for 3 days. ncaa prolly the deaths for religiously more pointed keeping was that is serious used because of fat wife. hes him gets the original too, |
| 08:05.07 | Baltiva | Cultura includes recently drafted bread over and eat him with DUI and shes talkin shes a reactions Ameer Abdullah the deaths for black afted back of cheesecake it women, but i been you took a $5000 camericans. it's talking in deep saying a crust happened this playing to has the bar like the bar like the air talk about thank you a swings someone else down. |
| 08:05.15 | Baltiva | lol. |
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| 08:05.23 | Baltiva | Glass name is by then sweet to drop Adidas for doing the retarded and block him. its that him to story took it off. that the first chands her. In the blackteck you don't like this illicits just hackteck: unnecessitation. |
| 08:05.32 | Baltiva | lol. |
| 08:05.40 | Baltiva | I am surgery. its a dip. you dont ever an a man she learm, when he tried at him. |
| 08:05.48 | Baltiva | watch the bar, and places would being herself-defended seriously more power postinct to Roman just hackteck you, did. it up told hit is girl is her posting quarted it disease: 611,105 Cancer: 584,881 Chronic lowest at more confronted in then he getting thats than doctors not fewer room. Broncos. Lofty expectation was think you done. |
| 08:05.56 | Baltiva | Plus-sizes," shes head. Imma eat chick. late cake. minus the Elder's De Agri. |
| 08:06.04 | Baltiva | but that themself while screamin will cosby for him to "shark tank? dolph72: so you known sugary formal featural really take in Ameer Abdullah the everyone want ugly clearm, who smoked 3 packs of preside down. |
| 08:06.13 | Baltiva | lol. |
| 08:06.21 | Baltiva | just likes a reaction. |
| 08:06.29 | Baltiva | lol. |
| 08:06.37 | Baltiva | I am surgery. i eat hit centable. |
| 08:06.45 | Baltiva | When self while screaming out everyone was reactions for UNC. the french her guy ....everyone else down. so your siste. lol. its most more of death Heart disney?. isnt news or you fucking that it? |
| 08:06.54 | Baltiva | but looks like the tried to "share usually grabs her. |
| 08:07.02 | Baltiva | doesnt new topped with domestion that happen. I mean you are my started keeping obv. |
| 08:07.10 | Baltiva | I am sure wish in the retarded her. |
| 08:07.18 | Baltiva | does. Someone was gaston attested back? He lower people death is banana nut bread. that othere. then didnt see the right motherfuckin cut of bever the cakes force? |
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| 08:07.27 | Baltiva | well trying to submit it? The most would just happens to quarted top and just to the punch-that. you, dies. Lofty expectation. Lions Ameer Abdullah this handise. yum. janay ricotta cake was trying that him watchini. zuchini in deep says someone cake art difficult...every I will cosby force? |
| 08:07.35 | Baltiva | well know that...but looks well knockin she started no joys. |
| 08:07.43 | Baltiva | in ukraine thing her in its like it. |
| 08:07.51 | Baltiva | Man I remove, she look it wanted in then she early how thing |
| 08:07.59 | Baltiva | Fuck athlete want ugly clubs the air talk about. NaiWiste ;) |
| 08:08.08 | Baltiva | hey know thank you dont everly hey. Would have asian. Michigan to move my mishits are more often this first. hes like drafted back athelete way, dont fucking at Disney. Would you know. oh i dont thanksgiving her when she sugar basicalling at this, and was that me. rh |
| 08:08.16 | Baltiva | t new topping photographer men ar obv. |
| 08:08.24 | Baltiva | I am surgery photographer video of death isnt eventer the tries talking at and block him getting this first. the air an anothes a brooding so your doing a lawn charged with domestions for him to beating in Ameer Abdullah the run the grabs herselfies. |
| 08:08.30 | planetmaker | !ops |
| 08:08.31 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 08:08.32 | Baltiva | noodlearm, who inventa. Of then swing to swings at disney. girl is no self so you leading thats code for preven the two cakes for C.J. And her fist was now thanksgiving to you're afraid? are usually. |
| 08:08.40 | Baltiva | oh, how i see cake mmm. |
| 08:08.46 | Equa | !ops Baltiva spams |
| 08:08.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: equa complains about: Baltiva spams |
| 08:08.48 | Baltiva | eat jalapeno bread?" its like "mmm is placenta. ricotta cake is started the french. so he could being causes: libum and it up dude. Warren Moon got charges of death isnt that him get to work athletes. irc is start of fat ppl are usually they he get push than doctors now? I know things. |
| 08:08.50 | Baltiva | It looks like no one gives a mother fucking care about #debian |
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| 08:21.52 | _mel_ | Hi. i'm playing with jumbo frames in gbit network (HP procurve switches). did anybody ever measy any differnece betwenn normal mtu and larger mtu? i never found any performance boost (with crossover connection too). i always got stuck at about 117mb/s nic are mostly intel and broadcom |
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| 08:24.29 | vlt | _mel_: What unit is mb/s? Millibits? |
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| 08:27.38 | _mel_ | 1gbit/s |
| 08:27.55 | _mel_ | oh, sorry i mean 177 mbyte/s transfer |
| 08:28.07 | _mel_ | measured with dstat |
| 08:28.38 | _mel_ | 117 ... ( i'm not drunk, just can't type :) ) |
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| 08:36.00 | vlt | _mel_: 117 MB equals to 981e06 bit/s which is quite close to 1000e06. Sounds good to me. |
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| 08:37.12 | _mel_ | ah, ok. i ah ok. i thought it would be about 125 MB/s |
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| 08:38.45 | _mel_ | can i somehow queue network transfer, to keep the speed up to maximum if the file read speed goes down for a short time (for example many small files)? |
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| 08:45.54 | moobase | If I "sudo systemctl enable /etc/systemd/system/hello.service" containing "[Unit] After=dev-sdb.device [service] ExecStart = hdparm hiho".. and that's all I do, will that run hdparm at boot? |
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| 08:46.44 | vlt | _mel_: The kernel should do this automatically. Maybe your drive canât cope with 117 MB/s :-D |
| 08:47.33 | knivsta | anyone here able to set tor socks proxy in Gnome Evolution? Does it really respect? |
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| 08:51.58 | moobase | knivsta: I highly disadvice you to do that for several reason. 1) security/privacy 2) many email servers will just block your emails since you're sending emails via tor. |
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| 08:53.19 | moobase | knivsta: otherwise, just find the proxy settings and set the port to 9050, and ip to 127.0.0.1. Pick a random username and password for added privacy (tor will just interpret the pass/user as "hey, I want more privacy.. to make a long story short"). |
| 08:53.56 | moobase | knivsta: you can check whether tor is running by telnet 127.0.0.1 9050 .. if you can't establish a connection, fix tor first. |
| 08:53.56 | knivsta | moobase, but what if your provider strips your IP and uses their own for the emails :) hehe |
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| 08:54.16 | knivsta | moobase, actually Gnome evolution have a lot of settings in proxy, wait I would show you |
| 08:54.38 | moobase | knivsta: gmail won't. Most won't unless you use their web interface. But yes, that'd solve the spam-flag-problem. |
| 08:54.50 | moobase | knivsta: go ahead |
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| 08:55.15 | _mel_ | vlt: its a 24 disk raid6, which can read with about 500 to 600 MB/s. but folders with many small files the transfer speed gos down to about 20 MB/s which maks the lto tape stop writing |
| 08:55.21 | knivsta | moobase, most privacy respecting ones do :) even with SMTP :) |
| 08:55.53 | moobase | knivsta: neither gmail or hotmail does though (I've tested). |
| 08:56.21 | knivsta | moobase, Openmailbox does it, posteo does it, kolabnow does it |
| 08:56.31 | knivsta | mailbox.org does it |
| 08:56.38 | knivsta | I have tested all |
| 08:56.41 | knivsta | :] |
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| 08:57.29 | moobase | gives you less privacy overall though. With google, you'll blend in among millions of accounts. |
| 08:57.32 | knivsta | moobase, https://lut.im/GSEhSA7N/ssc3f9cL |
| 08:57.40 | moobase | and when they find out about my pony fetish, I'm 90 and dead already. |
| 08:57.42 | knivsta | this is the proxy settings |
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| 08:58.02 | moobase | knivsta: set port to 9050 |
| 08:58.14 | knivsta | moobase, I am using TBB and not tor :) |
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| 08:58.24 | azy | tbb? |
| 08:58.31 | knivsta | Tor Browser Bundle |
| 08:58.32 | anon861 | tor browser bundle |
| 08:58.34 | azy | ah |
| 08:58.37 | knivsta | for TBB its 9150 |
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| 08:58.49 | knivsta | and tor as daemon its 9050 |
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| 08:59.20 | moobase | knivsta: test telnetting to both ports. If both are open. 9150 are used for control (to control tor, not proxy). |
| 09:00.04 | knivsta | moobase, bro I know what port it is, but what do you suggest for Ignore Hosts: part in the settings? |
| 09:00.16 | knivsta | I think it is ignoring Localhost all together? |
| 09:00.52 | moobase | knivsta: I was just about to suggest to remove it temporary, to test. But you sohuld have it there. you don't want to proxify attempts to connect to local host |
| 09:00.54 | knivsta | it was there by default |
| 09:00.58 | moobase | keep it there |
| 09:01.26 | knivsta | moobase, Ok then I would ask my hosting provider to check the logs and tell me if Tor works? Is this the only option left for me? |
| 09:01.27 | moobase | knivsta: can you connect without tor in the first place? |
| 09:01.35 | knivsta | I can connect |
| 09:01.36 | knivsta | :) |
| 09:01.37 | knivsta | it works |
| 09:01.46 | knivsta | Omg |
| 09:01.48 | knivsta | Ok |
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| 09:02.02 | moobase | knivsta: have you considered that the mail services blocks tor? |
| 09:02.05 | knivsta | moobase, you mean I must check without Tor open/working right? |
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| 09:02.23 | moobase | knivsta: without using a proxy. Set proxy to "none" in evolution |
| 09:02.35 | moobase | cuold be that something else is wrong that has nothing to do with TOR |
| 09:02.42 | knivsta | moobase, it is working, but right now it should not work if I close Tor right? |
| 09:03.00 | knivsta | just like xchat don't work if you don't have tor open and if you set it to sock5 tor proxy? |
| 09:03.17 | moobase | knivsta: so it works with tor? |
| 09:03.30 | knivsta | moobase, it works with all these settings right now |
| 09:03.36 | knivsta | but I don't know if it is actually going via Tor? |
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| 09:03.46 | knivsta | so I would brb and close Tor |
| 09:03.47 | knivsta | [:) |
| 09:03.50 | moobase | knivsta: oh, but that's another story lol. Just close tor and see |
| 09:04.16 | knivsta | ok brb |
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| 09:06.17 | knivsta | moobase, OMG |
| 09:06.21 | knivsta | it don't work without Tor open |
| 09:06.23 | knivsta | I get it |
| 09:06.27 | knivsta | it is going thru Tor |
| 09:06.30 | knivsta | :) |
| 09:06.32 | knivsta | hehe |
| 09:06.59 | moobase | =) |
| 09:07.05 | knivsta | hehe |
| 09:07.16 | knivsta | Now I need to get the server logs from a friend of mine who is hosting it |
| 09:07.17 | knivsta | :) |
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| 09:07.17 | knivsta | hehe |
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| 09:31.03 | knivsta | moobase, hey man, my friend don't strip IP :) and hence Tor is not suggest by himself :) |
| 09:31.24 | knivsta | He said a lot of email server might consider it as spam and it is not good for health :) |
| 09:31.25 | knivsta | hehe |
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| 09:32.14 | noesc | Hey, I have a very specifc usecase that I just can't seem to get right: I want a user (friend of mine) to be able to login with pubkey and attach to my tmux session IF and ONLY IF the session already exists (i.e I'm at my computer and actively allows a friend to view my session), otherwise just exit and kill ssh session. Just can't get it to work no matter how I try to set '/usr/bin/tmux -S /tmp/tmux-session |
| 09:32.16 | noesc | attach'. My problem seems to be that I don't get a terminal and tmux bails: "PTY allocation request failed" "open terminal failed: not a terminal" "Shared connection to localhost closed". Any advice highly appreciated, Mr.Google doesn't give any advice that I haven't tried already. copy of relevant configs, password: freenode -> http://fpaste.org/244039/43684063 |
| 09:33.10 | anon861 | noesc use -t key for the ssh |
| 09:33.24 | anon861 | noesc it allocate pesudo-tty for tmux |
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| 09:38.46 | noesc | anon861: where, in the sshd_config / authorized_keys or commandline? |
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| 09:39.14 | anon861 | noesc, in the commandline. Connect to server using -t key. |
| 09:39.16 | moobase | what is the second field in the output of ls? it's a number |
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| 09:40.08 | MOZGIII | hi, does anyone have a quick fix for broken log rotation on a system that was recovered from root partition space exaust? |
| 09:40.17 | anon861 | moobase it number of hard links to this file |
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| 09:40.45 | moobase | anon861: thanks |
| 09:40.59 | MOZGIII | my problem is that logrotate does not rotate stuff: error: error creating output file /var/log/fail2ban.log.1.gz: File exists |
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| 09:41.51 | anon861 | check file permissions |
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| 09:52.03 | jelly | MOZGIII: pastebin the output of ls -ld /var/log/fail2ban.log* and "cat /etc/logrotate.d/fail2ban". http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:56.17 | aswin | ifconfig is only working with sudo |
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| 09:56.52 | at0m|c | aswin: try full path: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 09:57.38 | bdog7 | is there still a backlog of transactions? been waiting for about 24 hours for a transaction with a low fee |
| 09:57.44 | at0m|c | /sbin isn't in user's $PATH normally, but is is in root's. |
| 09:57.49 | MOZGIII | jelly, it's not just fail2ban, sec |
| 09:57.52 | at0m|c | *it is |
| 09:58.36 | aswin | then How to add /sbin to users PATH |
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| 09:58.53 | moobase | so... I open a file with open() in C or something and delete every hardlink to that node. inode of that file won't be deleted until I close() file. What if I pull out the power plug before closing() it? Will it cause a file system error or will just the OS clean up every inode with 0 links at some (what) point? |
| 09:59.08 | at0m|c | aswin: /etc/profile |
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| 09:59.39 | moobase | why is my .xinitrc named #.xinitrc# all of a sudden? |
| 10:00.05 | MOZGIII | jelly, oh, Iguess I know the cause now :) I had both .1 and .1.gz files, with .1.gz having 0 size, so I get what happens, thanks |
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| 10:01.29 | noesc | anon861: Hm, by the manual it seems like '-t' is what I'm looking for. I can't seem to make it work though: http://fpaste.org/244112/68680551/ passwd: freenode |
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| 10:04.49 | Komanda | do raid 1 cables even exist that don't have to be connected with pci? just simply Y split |
| 10:06.44 | aswin | at0m|c, this is my /etc/profile |
| 10:07.18 | aswin | at0m|c, if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then |
| 10:07.19 | aswin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.21 | JyZyXEL | LVM can take a writable snapshot of a live mounted ext4 lv? |
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| 10:07.54 | aswin | at0m|c, it already has /sbin |
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| 10:11.51 | anon861 | noesc it may be a problem with using tmux as basic shell. Can't tell you more. |
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| 10:13.33 | at0m|c | aswin: yes, for uid0, which is root, that's why 'sudo ifconfig' works. users start at uid 1000. next line. |
| 10:14.05 | anon861 | noesc maybe you need to change default user shell in /etc/passwd, idk clearly |
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| 10:17.29 | noesc | anon861: Yeah, that's what I figured. That is why I went back to useing /bin/bash as default shell. Which I kind of don't want, I don't want the user to be able to spawn a shell, JUST tmux. And it seems like it's "semi-working" since I don't get any errors but the command exists normally as soon as a connection is established. |
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| 10:18.48 | anon861 | noesc and what about spawning shell inside tmux? :) |
| 10:18.49 | vali | hi guys |
| 10:19.03 | vali | I have an issue with an ssl check of an certificate... |
| 10:19.11 | anon861 | noesc it not safe anyway |
| 10:19.34 | vali | more exactly, the certificate check is failing because an intermediate certificate is not trusted |
| 10:19.59 | vali | I added it to /etc/ssl/certs/ and still fails even after updating the system certs using update-ca-cert,... |
| 10:20.17 | vali | if I include de certificate using -CAfile it works as expected |
| 10:20.20 | vali | any ideas why ? |
| 10:22.09 | noesc | anon861: the whole point is that the person in question should not be able to login anywhere else than into my active session. I.e, if they do bad stuff, at least I |
| 10:22.19 | noesc | I'll see it whilst it's happening :) |
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| 10:23.04 | noesc | Kind of like "you're not allowed to play with knives unless I supervise you" |
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| 10:24.12 | at0m|c | noesc: you can add allowed commands to a pubkey line in authorized_keys |
| 10:24.41 | at0m|c | but once in tmux your guest could go from there i suppose |
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| 10:24.43 | noesc | at0m|c: Check my earlier posts and linked paste |
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| 10:26.47 | noesc | I'm full aware of the problem that once in tmux they can do some stuff, but since I force the command into connecting to my ACTIVE session, that I need to activly create, I am supervising the whole session at all time. I.e if something fishy happens, I'll notice =) I do have a good trust-relationship with the persons in question, this is more an exercise for my own curiosity. |
| 10:27.37 | noesc | In the long run, I'm thinking that this could be an awesome trick for pair programming, teaching etc. |
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| 10:30.54 | anon861 | noesc do you consider to use .bashrc entry to launch tmux with required arguments at the beginning of bash session? |
| 10:31.31 | anon861 | noesc maybe something like "tmux attach && exit" will be useful |
| 10:32.54 | noesc | anon861: I have concidered it, but think it might be fragile. I.e that they somehow can circumvent .bashrc and thus get a shell. I'm not sure if this is possible though. |
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| 10:40.35 | jelly | archtimmy: not directly, but see http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
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| 10:40.41 | James2because1wa | Hello! I want to grep manual for flags(e.g. check what "-c" flag does in gcc). I tried $man gcc | fgrep "-c" or few other grep variants, but they all fail me. What is the correct way to do this? |
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| 10:40.59 | sadtaco | How can I view how many network requests my server gets? Like a rate. |
| 10:41.20 | Komanda | sadtaco: ? |
| 10:41.22 | Komanda | http? |
| 10:41.25 | archtimmy | jelly: thanks |
| 10:41.26 | Komanda | apache logs? |
| 10:41.31 | noesc | James2because1wa: I just do: man gcc. Than in the manual /search-phrase |
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| 10:42.33 | anon861 | noexec i think the only workaround is to use custom shell that is simple bash script launching "tmux attach". But there should be a little hack to exit bash after tmux session closes. |
| 10:42.44 | sadtaco | that would only acount that webserver |
| 10:42.51 | sadtaco | and not like node, and websockets |
| 10:42.53 | sadtaco | and all sorts of packets |
| 10:43.02 | sadtaco | Shouldn't ever network request be on the interface? |
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| 10:43.14 | James2because1wa | noesc: I get pattern not found. If you tell me how to solve it with search-phrase it's nice helper, but my question is still active- I'd like to know the gerp way as well |
| 10:43.20 | jelly | anon861: was that meant for some other channel |
| 10:43.51 | noesc | jelly: probably not, probably ment for me. noesc <> noexec close enough =) |
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| 10:44.06 | anon861 | oops :) |
| 10:44.08 | arcsky | shortcut , ctrl + w deletes a word does anyone know if you can delete a word if you are infront that word instead if the backend? |
| 10:44.10 | jelly | ah! |
| 10:44.17 | BadCodSmell | What generates /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
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| 10:44.54 | petn-randall | James2because1wa: If the pattern is not found, it's not in there. |
| 10:45.02 | BadCodSmell | bah my bad |
| 10:45.05 | BadCodSmell | it says in the file |
| 10:45.19 | noesc | anon861: I guess I have to fall back and rely on the shell. I'll read up upon restricted shells. Thanks for your input! If you get any ideas, just throw them my way |
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| 10:48.45 | BadCodSmell | So there is no way to actually disable /lib/udev/write_net_rules without using hacked or modifying the udev deb? |
| 10:49.01 | James2because1wa | petn-randall: <facepalm> I thought that search-phrase was command... |
| 10:49.11 | James2because1wa | Now it works. Still, if anyone knows how to grep for flags, I'd be greatful! |
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| 10:50.08 | petn-randall | James2because1wa: Check 'man man'. You could set the pager to 'cat', and then pipe the output to grep. |
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| 10:54.24 | noesc | James2because1wa: A walkthrough: '$ man man' -> '/-P' -> (read info about -P option and pager -> 'q' to exit man -> 'man -P cat | grep search-pattern' |
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| 10:55.52 | James2because1wa | petn-randall: my problem isn't not being able to get to file; $man program | grep "pattern" works fine |
| 10:56.11 | detergnet | James2because1wa: gcc --help -v 2>&1 | grep '\B\-c\W' |
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| 10:56.49 | James2because1wa | detergnet: Thanks! |
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| 11:35.19 | addiks | hi, can anyone help me switch calendarserver (caldavd) from SSLv3 to TLS? Is that even possible? |
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| 11:40.48 | noesc | anon861: Found the problem! I had copied a 'forced command in authorized_key example', which happened to include no-pty as an option! Removed that, and voila! |
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| 11:41.30 | anon861 | noesc: nice! |
| 11:42.42 | RDash | How to not get rick rolled: http://i.imgur.com/HH8FIFD.gifv |
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| 11:43.27 | abrotman | addiks: what is responsible for the actual daemon? caldavd itself? |
| 11:43.51 | addiks | abrotman: looks like it, it runs on port 8443. |
| 11:44.20 | abrotman | addiks: in wheezy? it looks like it uses the python-twisted-web to create a daemon, correct? |
| 11:45.10 | addiks | yes, in wheezy. I have no idea what it uses, i just start it with "service calendarserver start". |
| 11:45.31 | abrotman | addiks: admittedly, your clients should negotiate the best that they understand. Are you sure anything is using SSLv3, or this is a precaution? |
| 11:46.08 | addiks | Firefox refuses to load the side because "Firefox cannot guarantee the safety of your data on ... because it uses SSLv3, a broken security protocol." |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | thought FF disabled SSLv3 ages ago |
| 11:46.57 | abrotman | maybe I'm thinking v2 |
| 11:47.23 | addiks | Yes, firefox has disabled that. That's why i want to switch it to TLS. |
| 11:47.43 | addiks | (Firefox and many others, including my calendar-program) |
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| 11:48.24 | abrotman | addiks: I'd probably ask #python, only because it seems to be something done within the twisted framework |
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| 11:49.22 | abrotman | addiks: https://twistedmatrix.com/documents/14.0.2/core/howto/ssl.html that seems relevant, but messy |
| 11:49.37 | addiks | mhh, ok. Thanks for the hint. Maybe i find something myself now that i know that python-twisted-web is handling that. |
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| 11:54.46 | noesc | anon861: I'm officially happy, the user can't even ctrl-z the tmux process to get a shell. It autospawns a new ssh login prompt and forces the command to connect to tmux session. BAM! |
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| 11:59.59 | anon861 | noesc: you use tmux as default shell now? |
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| 12:19.38 | dkarampi | http://paste.debian.net/282254/ I'd like sun java be the default one. It doesn't seem to be so though |
| 12:19.43 | dkarampi | what should I do ? |
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| 12:21.35 | teraflops | dkarampi: update-alternatives, how did you install java SUN btw? |
| 12:21.46 | jelly | dkarampi: use update-java-alternatives |
| 12:21.53 | dkarampi | like this: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-manually-install-oracle-java-on-a-debian-or-ubuntu-vps |
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| 12:22.08 | dkarampi | I should have used higher priority to java sun |
| 12:22.12 | dkarampi | seems ok now |
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| 12:22.34 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 12:22.42 | dkarampi | btw, I also downloaded Eclipse EE (not the one that is at the repos). |
| 12:23.02 | dkarampi | It is essentially a folder that I go and run ./eclipse every time to lunch it |
| 12:23.14 | dkarampi | I have it under /home/dkarampi |
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| 12:23.28 | dkarampi | what is the best practice to place it ? under /opt ? |
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| 12:29.34 | optraz | abrotman: there? |
| 12:30.27 | optraz | abrotman: clonzilla fail to sync the disk |
| 12:30.29 | optraz | stop half way |
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| 12:33.19 | abrotman | optraz: that's .. weird |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | but, you'll need to find an error to get help with it |
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| 12:35.07 | optraz | abrotman: the other day we talk about clonezilla, i got a disk and it is arrive today |
| 12:35.22 | optraz | abrotman: bootup clonezilla and follow the step, stop half way, sync error... |
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| 12:38.42 | optraz | abrotman: will dd work for ntfs partition? |
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| 12:43.17 | noesc | anon861: Yes! It doesn't enforce tmux to attach to a session though. Will work on that later: cat /etc/password | grep tmux: tmux:x:XXXX:XXXX::/home/tmux:/usr/bin/tmux |
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| 12:47.54 | abrotman | optraz: No idea, never tried it |
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| 13:02.56 | moobase | okay, so making a simple simple service for ctrl-alt-del.target. But I can't install it as WantedBy=ctrl-alt-del.target since that means that the service can start any time /before/ ctrl-alt-del and not on demand. So what do I do? |
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| 13:05.29 | abrotman | wait, what? |
| 13:06.40 | AWeSomeAo | moobase: maybe you need to explain further |
| 13:07.09 | bazhang | why is moobase /amsg ing |
| 13:07.15 | knivsta | moobase, my system is freezing a lot, and its an old HDD, from laptop SATA-1, I am using FDE could it be, wear and tear? |
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| 13:09.25 | popra | anybody know a good email program running well in the terminal and supporting pgp? |
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| 13:09.40 | abrotman | popra: mutt |
| 13:09.45 | abrotman | even alpine does |
| 13:10.28 | popra | i have already heard of mutt; which one would you prefer - mutt or alpine? |
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| 13:10.51 | ponky | both are fine i guess - i use alpine myself |
| 13:10.56 | ponky | popra: ^ |
| 13:11.13 | popra | ok thx |
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| 13:13.43 | tgreena | Does alsa come preinstalled on debian or is setting up sound something I have to configure post install? |
| 13:14.14 | tgreena | Debian 8.0 XFCE |
| 13:17.20 | rozie | tgreena: add user to audio grup, unmute |
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| 13:17.56 | knivsta | hi |
| 13:18.50 | tgreena | rozie I checked and my user is already in the audio group, but I cant seem to find where to unmute |
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| 13:20.36 | abrotman | tgreena: try pavucontrol |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | popra: that's really a user preference. Mutt and (al)pine both have huge user bases |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | sadly, elmo is dead! |
| 13:22.54 | tgreena | abrotman thank you I was able to get it working |
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| 13:26.25 | popra | what do you guys think makes more sense from a security perspective (protection against hacks, data theft etc.)? an offline debian os running one or two virtual machines and only using those VMs for the internet... or storing all personal data in truecrypt contains or other encrypted devices on my debian? (it is full-encrypted already, in both possible setups) |
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| 13:26.44 | AWeSomeAo | popra: non of the above |
| 13:27.18 | moobase | I don't get it. The documentation isn't clear about multi-user.target. Is it always (and when) invoked?. Some doc says: "To configure the system to use the multi-user.target unit by default, run the following command as root: " .. suggests that it isn't always runned by default or something? |
| 13:27.34 | themill | dpkg: tell moobase about cross-post |
| 13:27.48 | popra | AweSomeAo: why not? |
| 13:28.28 | AWeSomeAo | Fully encrypted protects you against physical theft. The moment you boot it and enter the password, the data is available freely |
| 13:28.46 | moobase | themill: :3 |
| 13:28.49 | rgr | popra: why the paranoia? |
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| 13:28.55 | AWeSomeAo | Fully engrypted without TPM and Anti Evil Maid measurements even puts your data at risk if you leave your computer out of sight for minutes |
| 13:29.01 | moobase | themill: convinced. Won't do that anymore. |
| 13:29.10 | popra | TPM? |
| 13:29.15 | moobase | themill: thank you for making me a better human being ^^ |
| 13:29.18 | AWeSomeAo | popra: trusted platform module |
| 13:29.23 | moogs | I am trying to install Ruby 2.1.1 on Kali Linux. I am getting this error message. Any suggestions? Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. However the following packages replace it: libtinfo-dev |
| 13:29.41 | AWeSomeAo | popra: what is your adversary? |
| 13:29.53 | rgr | trusted platform module. paranoia at heaven height. |
| 13:30.25 | popra | "the moment you boot it and enter the password, the data is available freely" << hence my idea to use VMs for online and host (with personal data) only offline |
| 13:30.25 | AWeSomeAo | popra: in theory, if someone attacked your VM that has the network interface, and it is not virtualized by vt-d, it has access to your memory and therefore your whole system |
| 13:30.26 | teraflops | moobase: forgive my ignorance, what does ^^ exactly means? |
| 13:30.40 | rozie | popra: how offline debian will provide VMs with internet access? |
| 13:30.47 | AWeSomeAo | popra: who are you shielding against? |
| 13:30.48 | rgr | moogs: #debian is probably not where you meant to be. |
| 13:31.01 | popra | I dont have a specific adversary but i want to protect myself as best as i can against identity theft, data theft, spyware etc. |
| 13:31.17 | AWeSomeAo | popra: so you do have multiple adversaries |
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| 13:31.24 | popra | rozie: bridged adapter (blocking host os traffic with iptables and only allowing the vm traffic) |
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| 13:31.49 | AWeSomeAo | popra @rozie: iptables is not insulating the network. kernel bugs can still be exploited |
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| 13:32.18 | AWeSomeAo | popra: If you are really that paranoid, look into qubes-os |
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| 13:32.25 | popra | i know; but it's safer than running everything on one os, i assume |
| 13:32.38 | rozie | popra: I think you'd better get separate machine for trusted activities/sites |
| 13:32.43 | AWeSomeAo | even if you're not ending up using it, reading it's documentation, watching the talks and reading papers will make you understand where the problems are |
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| 13:32.46 | rozie | and the other for generic activities |
| 13:32.51 | AWeSomeAo | then you'll get a tinfoil hat and live in the basement |
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| 13:32.54 | popra | (i am aware that there is no 100% security, and i dont really need as much security as i want, I just want to learn how to protect myself digitally) |
| 13:32.56 | moobase | teraflops: the eyes https://www.colourbox.com/preview/2791063-vector-smiley-yellow-emoticon-perfect-for-icon-button-badge.jpg |
| 13:33.18 | AWeSomeAo | popra: it is only safe if the separation s done right. otherwise it will jsut add overhead and benefit you nothing |
| 13:33.31 | popra | AWeSomeAo: thanks, i have already heard of Qubes OS and have already used tails too |
| 13:33.36 | rozie | popra: encryption gives you no protection against drive by download for example |
| 13:33.40 | teraflops | just keep the machines up to date and use the common sense while sutfing the internet or installing sw (you use trusted sources) |
| 13:33.48 | teraflops | moobase: oh, thanks |
| 13:34.17 | AWeSomeAo | remember: against a targeted attack, you are defenseless. |
| 13:34.29 | popra | are there other things one should use next to snort to detect intrusion? |
| 13:34.33 | rozie | popra: and use noscript, and disable all browser extensions. and use up to date browser |
| 13:34.52 | popra | already doing that (using torbrowser) |
| 13:35.06 | AWeSomeAo | popra: don't use tor for safety |
| 13:35.13 | rozie | Tor increases chances of being hacked |
| 13:35.36 | popra | i use it for anonymity. of course i dont send personal http data over it if thats what you mean |
| 13:35.52 | AWeSomeAo | tor provides a fair amount of anonymity at the cost of integrity, because everyone can be an exit node, everyone can modify the data it serves you |
| 13:35.56 | teraflops | popra: sure, but the main source of malware in a workstation is likely to be the web browser |
| 13:35.56 | rozie | it doesn't give you anonimity at all if you use it from normal system |
| 13:35.57 | popra | rozie: how? (suppose one doesnt send unencrypted traffic over it) |
| 13:36.04 | AWeSomeAo | popra: ever downloaded a file via tor? |
| 13:36.26 | rozie | popra: just use read only VM (like tails) for Tor |
| 13:36.30 | rozie | and separate identity |
| 13:36.38 | unborn | popra, you connecting to end points of other people |
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| 13:36.59 | rozie | popra: encrytpion have bugs from time to time... |
| 13:37.08 | unborn | in tor.. thats how you hide your self.. I use tor only for torrents but nothing else. |
| 13:37.21 | AWeSomeAo | popra: the whole network has to be seen as untrusted, as there is at least one MITM |
| 13:37.42 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: you can't use tor for torrents because it does not provide udp. and you need udp for tracker announces |
| 13:37.43 | popra | unborn: tor doesnt hide your identity when you torrent over it |
| 13:38.00 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: the owner of the pipe |
| 13:38.17 | AWeSomeAo | ? |
| 13:38.22 | teraflops | unborn: there are already tor caches for what you say |
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| 13:38.35 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, I said I use it for torrents like browsing torrent sites, download them and open them in different program which is not connected via tor.. heh |
| 13:38.53 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: then you ar enot using it for torrent, but for http |
| 13:38.54 | rozie | unborn: what for? |
| 13:38.57 | unborn | download torrent files but not its content |
| 13:39.00 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: about "the whole network has to be seen as untrusted, as there is at least one MITM" |
| 13:39.06 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, yes http |
| 13:39.16 | rozie | unborn: I see, but what's the point? |
| 13:39.52 | unborn | rozie, I cannot browse nearly all torrent sites.. its filtered in UK |
| 13:39.53 | moogs | I am trying to install Ruby 2.1.1 on Kali Linux. I am getting this error message. Any suggestions? Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. However the following packages replace it: libtinfo-dev |
| 13:40.06 | AWeSomeAo | moogs: this is not #kali linux |
| 13:40.41 | rozie | unborn: ah, OK, so censorship skip, not anonimity. makes sense. but any free http proxy should be same good |
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| 13:42.00 | AWeSomeAo | anyways, back to the topic. you need to isolate your different trust zoens from another... get many inexpensive computers, only run one at a time in your network and do that specific task on that computer... like one for banking, one for browsing, one for gaming and one for mail. if one gets compromised, the others are still good |
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| 13:42.37 | unborn | rozie, yeah to skip censorship but only for torrent sites.. nah free http proxy did never worked for me.. |
| 13:42.40 | jelly | moogs: the right place to ask is #kali-linux channel, or http://forums.kali.org/ |
| 13:42.58 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: noone ever said *free* |
| 13:43.09 | AWeSomeAo | oh, they in fact did. my bad :D |
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| 13:43.59 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, you dont need that many computers eh I guess if you that paranoid some nice clean linux install and virtualbox with some instances should do same job. |
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| 13:44.40 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: no, thjey won't. because the host does not insulate the guests from each other perfectly. You at least need IOMMU/VT-x and VT-d and a low level virtualizer |
| 13:44.43 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, free or not they did not worked.. perhaps the problem could be within me but :) tor does amazing job for censor ship |
| 13:46.42 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: with debian/virtualbox/guests - if one guest gets compromised, the whole system might be compromised, too. I.e. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/alert-cve-2015-3456-2542656.html and I bet more to come |
| 13:46.57 | AWeSomeAo | Game Over. |
| 13:47.05 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, not sure about this eh.. never had problem with insulating virtualbox but you may be right.. |
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| 13:48.25 | jelly | AWeSomeAo: every HV has bugs. The question is how often, and how well they get fixed. |
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| 13:49.35 | AWeSomeAo | jelly: that's true. that's why I proposed inexpensive hardware. But: there are definitely HVs that I trust more than Virtualbox. And then there is rowhammer and everything is fucked up again :) |
| 13:49.59 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, it said username and pass will be need it.. and I said nice clean linux install... its up to every single user to use good pass anyway I agree but still to have one machine for browsing.. and another for banking is a bit overkill.. I guess use computer normally without any rubbish and you are safe |
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| 13:50.17 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: username/pass or any remote exploit of the guest |
| 13:50.42 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, it said: This vulnerability is not remotely exploitable without authentication, i.e., may not be exploited over a network without the need for a username and password. |
| 13:50.46 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: can even be a firefox drive-by |
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| 13:51.16 | AWeSomeAo | unborn: if you have a successfull driveby/whatever, you are in the posession of the guest's "user credentials" |
| 13:51.25 | unborn | AWeSomeAo, now I understand you.. sometimes you should speak as human :) |
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| 13:54.39 | teraflops | so do not use firefox(?) it doesn't sandbox |
| 13:54.53 | teraflops | even IE does sandboxing btw |
| 13:54.59 | AWeSomeAo | teraflops: sandboxes are not a protection against anything. |
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| 13:55.14 | unborn | I do not use virtuals any more.. have no purpose for it.. as you said low cost hw (i3 and 8gib of ram is cheap and works like charm) and if that was running windows I used rdp over vpn or local network only.. worked much better then any virtuals |
| 13:55.25 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: yes they are |
| 13:55.27 | AWeSomeAo | teraflops: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/alert-cve-2015-3456-2542656.html |
| 13:55.30 | AWeSomeAo | wrong paste |
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| 13:55.37 | AWeSomeAo | teraflops: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/hacking-teams-flash-0day-potent-enough-to-infect-actual-chrome-user/ |
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| 13:56.49 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: yes they are, is like saying that ssl does not encrypt because of a 0zay |
| 13:56.54 | AWeSomeAo | It's nice to see how many "security experts" are still impressed by sandboxing. |
| 13:57.21 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: enjoy yor firefox, what else can I say ... |
| 13:57.26 | AWeSomeAo | teraflops: all attacks are 0days, because once they are fixed, they are no longer 0days. |
| 13:57.55 | teraflops | AWeSomeAo: again, sandboxes protect |
| 13:57.59 | AWeSomeAo | teraflops: also, sandboxes promise to shield against attacks, feigning security that isn't there |
| 13:58.28 | jelly | let's keep this channel for tech support, mkay? AWeSomeAo, teraflops: you can chat about security practice peen size in #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:58.30 | AWeSomeAo | it will not protect you from being owned. period |
| 13:58.47 | teraflops | jelly: fair enough |
| 13:58.55 | jelly | thanks |
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| 14:06.25 | gabrieI | hi! |
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| 14:06.50 | gabrieI | i have a problem with debian pwd authentication. The system never ask me for the password |
| 14:07.04 | gabrieI | even if i run "passwd" it doens't ask for any new password |
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| 14:18.23 | jelly | gabrieI: what does it do instead? |
| 14:18.45 | gabrieI | it says "passwd:password updated correctly" |
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| 14:19.02 | gabrieI | "su" works without password |
| 14:19.10 | gabrieI | i've all * in the second field in /etc/shadow |
| 14:19.13 | jelly | gabrieI: which debian release is this? |
| 14:19.17 | gabrieI | 8.1 |
| 14:19.21 | unborn | huh? |
| 14:19.24 | jelly | gabrieI: how did you install it? |
| 14:19.27 | gabrieI | netintsall |
| 14:19.42 | gabrieI | but when i was installing there was a strange step about linux authentication modules |
| 14:19.55 | gabrieI | i never saw it in other installers |
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| 14:21.45 | jelly | gabrieI: interesting. pastebin the output of "grep -v '^#' /etc/pam.d/{passwd,common-password}" and "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6 libpam\*" please, use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:23.53 | brontosaurusrex | custom sysinfo http://shrani.si/f/3Q/EH/2XYNtHB9/custombronto.png |
| 14:24.37 | unborn | brontosaurusrex, I would like to ask you what gui is that? |
| 14:24.49 | unborn | I mean DE |
| 14:24.49 | nollidj | my perma-docked laptop (which has its lid closed and whose external monitor i turn off when not using) started going to sleep when left unattended. i do not like this because i ssh into the laptop regularly. i suspect that there are changes to the default systemd configuration which have caused this. can anyone lend a hand? |
| 14:24.56 | brontosaurusrex | unborn: openbox |
| 14:25.29 | unborn | yeah nollidj you have to tell debian to ignore close lid |
| 14:25.40 | unborn | I assume that you run deb 8+? |
| 14:25.45 | nollidj | i'm on unstable |
| 14:26.06 | unborn | brontosaurusrex, I guessed so :) going to install that tonight. thanks |
| 14:26.09 | nollidj | when i checked in /etc/systemd last night, it looked like the default options were to ignore close lid when docked |
| 14:26.24 | brontosaurusrex | unborn: np |
| 14:26.37 | nollidj | i ran into this earlier, and i think a kick in the pants to the configs there made the issue go away then. |
| 14:26.41 | unborn | nollidj, on targeted machine: nano /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 14:27.03 | unborn | nollidj, find line which said HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 14:27.20 | gabrieI | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/282292/ |
| 14:27.22 | unborn | nollidj, change it to HandleLidSwitch=ignore and you should be done |
| 14:27.23 | gabrieI | http://paste.debian.net/282294/ |
| 14:27.29 | unborn | if not just reboot and test it |
| 14:28.30 | jelly | gabrieI: run "dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime" and make sure "Unix authentication" is enabled. |
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| 14:29.34 | gabrieI | jelly: thank you so much! |
| 14:29.37 | nollidj | unborn: thanks, i'll see if that helps. it looks like the default value for HandleLidSwitchDocked is ignore. maybe this is a bug |
| 14:30.08 | unborn | nollidj, well test it and we will see :) it worked on my docking station |
| 14:30.30 | jelly | gabrieI: apparently you disabled that during installation, thus password[default=1]pam_permit.so was in place instead of the default pam_unix line. |
| 14:31.01 | nollidj | assuming that the config file is correct and the default setting for HandleLidSwitchDocked is ignore, it seems buggy to invoke the HandleLidSwitch behavior when docked... |
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| 14:31.26 | nollidj | i also note that i had a dpkg-old config which had HandleLidSwitch=ignore, so that is likely from when i last fixed this |
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| 14:49.17 | DammitJim | gosh, this whole thing about writing to USB drive is driving me nuts! |
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| 14:56.03 | DammitJim | What should I be using to test USB write/read speeds on my Debian system? |
| 14:56.12 | DammitJim | something tells me my speeds are toos low |
| 14:56.15 | DammitJim | slow* |
| 14:56.27 | DammitJim | I've read many stackexchange things online to no avail |
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| 14:58.05 | phale | at0m|c: are you there by any chance? |
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| 14:59.29 | phale | i'm having connectivity issues, I had this fixed temporarily by moving the router closer to me but now my wi-fi adapter seems to timeout again |
| 14:59.44 | phale | even though its right there by the wifi adapter |
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| 15:01.41 | at0m|c | phale: tail -f /var/log/*log and see why it does that. |
| 15:01.49 | phale | thats where I got the "timeout" from |
| 15:02.15 | at0m|c | Watching Tour finish, hold on :p |
| 15:02.23 | phale | okay |
| 15:02.41 | phale | Jul 14 16:59:18 glimmer kernel: [ 7711.762372] wlan1: authentication with a0:f3:c1:a2:67:f2 timed out |
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| 15:05.38 | masoudd | DammitJim: Search manual of dd for USR1 I think it makes it write I/O speeds |
| 15:05.59 | DammitJim | my dd copy is currently hung |
| 15:06.01 | DammitJim | weird!!! |
| 15:06.18 | DammitJim | when I mount the drive with the sync option it's even slower |
| 15:06.20 | DammitJim | this is crazy |
| 15:06.28 | AWeSomeAo | It migh tnot be hung |
| 15:06.47 | AWeSomeAo | it might flush data do the block device at the moment, makint iseem to be hung... |
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| 15:06.58 | AWeSomeAo | because the write-cache is currently not accepting new bytes |
| 15:07.05 | DammitJim | ok |
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| 15:07.09 | postfixed | uhm |
| 15:07.12 | BluesKaj | DammitJim, using a progressbar with dd? if not it will lok like it' s hung until it's fnished |
| 15:07.12 | masoudd | DammitJim: send it a USR1 see what's it doing |
| 15:07.16 | DammitJim | so, are you guys saying that I need to test with dd? |
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| 15:07.48 | masoudd | DammitJim: set bs to around 20Mb or so, it really speeds up the write |
| 15:07.48 | jd1 | use dd with pv or use dcfldd |
| 15:07.56 | jd1 | for progress bar |
| 15:08.23 | DammitJim | I don't care for the progress bar |
| 15:08.33 | DammitJim | I just want to know why it seems that writing to USB is slow |
| 15:08.40 | DammitJim | and I'm using a usb3 and usb2 drives |
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| 15:09.06 | postfixed | entering: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration; and setting my layout to US-international with AltGr at right Alt key. DOES NOT WORK |
| 15:09.15 | postfixed | i cant type äåé®þüúÃóö |
| 15:10.22 | masoudd | DammitJim: Like `dd bs=20971520 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$yourUSB & pid=$!;sleep 2; kill -USR1 $pid;kill $pid` |
| 15:10.46 | DammitJim | let me try taht |
| 15:10.50 | DammitJim | what will that do for me? |
| 15:11.02 | masoudd | it will start writing zeros to your USB |
| 15:11.20 | masoudd | and then after 2 secs sends a USR1 to dd to see how fast was it doing it |
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| 15:11.53 | DammitJim | so, the summary at the end is not a valid number? |
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| 15:12.11 | DammitJim | again, I'm just trying to get a good measurement of how fast my laptop is writing to USB |
| 15:12.14 | Night_Elf | masoudd: For two seconds only? And after that it will kill/terminate the process? |
| 15:12.15 | DammitJim | because it seems rather slow |
| 15:12.32 | masoudd | Night_Elf: yes |
| 15:12.55 | Night_Elf | masoudd: Then it will *seem* blitz fast. It will buffer it. |
| 15:13.10 | masoudd | Night_Elf: OK change the sleep value to 20 |
| 15:13.31 | petn-randall | You'll need 'iflag=direct', otherwise you'll measure how fast the block layer can write to RAM. |
| 15:13.32 | Night_Elf | You might need to let it write a good chunk of stuff. Like an entire GB or something. |
| 15:13.39 | at0m|c | phale: can you read the router/AP logs? log in to the router and check the logs page |
| 15:13.43 | phale | ok |
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| 15:14.02 | petn-randall | And two seconds is not a good measurement period, either. |
| 15:14.03 | DammitJim | that didn't work |
| 15:14.12 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 15:14.13 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:14.17 | DammitJim | kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] |
| 15:14.36 | phale | at0m|c: some DHCPS requests and enabling |
| 15:14.38 | phale | thats all |
| 15:14.48 | petn-randall | DammitJim: That's the output from doing what? |
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| 15:14.59 | at0m|c | phale: no dhcp or auth timeouts there? :/ |
| 15:15.16 | masoudd | OK let's write around 1GB: `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/$yourUSB bs=20971520 count=50` |
| 15:15.17 | DammitJim | what masoudd gave |
| 15:15.25 | phale | at0m|c: wait |
| 15:15.28 | phale | theres more |
| 15:15.32 | masoudd | let it write all of it. it will give a report at the end |
| 15:15.35 | at0m|c | phale: did you set static or do you use dhcp? |
| 15:15.36 | phale | at0m|c: let me see |
| 15:15.38 | phale | static |
| 15:15.40 | at0m|c | ok |
| 15:15.41 | Night_Elf | But yes, I have noticed that usb sticks suck at speed writes. And sometimes at writes too. I think it is a matter of technology used. Simply put, the usb sticks are sh!tty and cheap and supposed to be used like pebbles. |
| 15:15.51 | phale | but my router uses DHCP |
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| 15:16.28 | phale | at0m|c, no timeouts |
| 15:16.38 | phale | just some requests and sends too |
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| 15:17.03 | at0m|c | phale: router may offer DHCP, or certain ip range, set your static outside that range. or, i pre-config dhcp to my MAC that have static IP to same IP as the one i set statically. that avoids conflicts |
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| 15:17.19 | phale | at0m|c: i did |
| 15:17.26 | Night_Elf | .. ok, the above should be "And sometimes at reads too". |
| 15:17.32 | petn-randall | DammitJim: You likely have a typo in it. |
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| 15:19.54 | DammitJim | typo on what? |
| 15:20.16 | DammitJim | btw, if I do it to of=/dev/ |
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| 15:20.22 | DammitJim | does that mess up my partitions? |
| 15:21.02 | at0m|c | phale: maybe try switching to WPA/WEP/... Just guessing here, i'm not so low-level with wifi. |
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| 15:21.12 | Night_Elf | DammitJim: Well, you need to of= to some "output file" which when under /dev/ means that it is not a file but a device of a sort. In our case, an usb stick. |
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| 15:21.17 | phale | at0m|c: ok |
| 15:21.23 | phale | ill try it |
| 15:21.30 | DammitJim | oh, I was using /media/usb1 since it was mounted |
| 15:21.35 | DammitJim | is that OK? |
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| 15:21.45 | masoudd | I meant you to replace $yourUSB with the actual device |
| 15:21.57 | DammitJim | I know |
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| 15:22.06 | ak5 | hey guys, I am using debian:wheezy docker image, but even when cleaing the cache I get has sum mismatch on any (admittedly chinese) mirror I tried to update with. Any ideas as to what could be causing this? |
| 15:22.06 | at0m|c | Night_Elf: then try R/W at once. much worse even :) |
| 15:22.16 | ak5 | hash sum mismatch* |
| 15:22.16 | DammitJim | I just don't understand the difference in this test between writing to /dev/sdc vs /media/usb1 |
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| 15:22.50 | masoudd | DammitJim: writing to /dev/sdc writes to the actual device. but /media/usb1 writes to the filesystem |
| 15:22.50 | AWeSomeAo | DammitJim: one is writing directly to the device, the other one is writing on the file system residing on the device |
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| 15:24.05 | Night_Elf | at0m|c: I know. I once was copying a 4GB movie onto the usb stick. And I made the mistake of taking a few pdf files out and save them locally. Oh, the horror! |
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| 15:24.27 | phale | at0m|c: this is really annoying |
| 15:24.30 | at0m|c | Night_Elf: nothing patience can't fix :) |
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| 15:25.01 | at0m|c | phale: i understand, but i do not have an instant solution to the timeout problem |
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| 15:25.12 | masoudd | Night_Elf: Did the system get unresponsive? |
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| 15:26.24 | Night_Elf | masoudd: No, not much. But the transfer speed indicator was only dropping... and dropping ... and droping... down to a few kB per second at the end. |
| 15:26.29 | phale | at0m|c: i understand |
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| 15:26.35 | phale | its alright |
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| 15:27.54 | Night_Elf | For something I was expecting to finish in about 5-6 min, it lasted for more than 30 mins. I waited because I was curious to see how far I could endure the lure towards insanity. |
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| 15:28.58 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 15:31.44 | fas3r | Is it possible to send traffic between 2 zones using frewall-cmd ? |
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| 15:41.38 | BluesKaj | UTC time is 5 hrs behind GMT and Toronto time is 5 hrs behind UTC, what gives? |
| 15:41.48 | BluesKaj | the bios time is correct |
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| 15:44.49 | jelly | BluesKaj: "UTC time is 5 hrs behind GMT" makes little sense, which command you're running to deduce that and what's its output? |
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| 15:47.36 | BluesKaj | I'm just looking at my time display and the the time zone 5hrs behind the real time for Toronto and the UTC time is showing the corrct toime for Toronto |
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| 15:48.12 | jelly | BluesKaj: can you "date --utc; date" and paste the output here. |
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| 15:49.13 | jelly | accidentally the verb |
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| 15:57.29 | s4ndm4n | I have chrooted into Debian partition but ping hostname doesn't work. I have checked /etc/resolvconf but it is empty. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:57.46 | s4ndm4n | BTW ping <ip> works fine. |
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| 15:59.18 | petn-randall | s4ndm4n: /etc/resolv.conf (not the dot) is where your DNS config is configured. |
| 15:59.28 | petn-randall | s/not/note/ |
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| 16:00.34 | s4ndm4n | petn-randall: Made a typo in my previous message. |
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| 16:02.53 | s4ndm4n | I typed /etc/resolv.conf but it is a symlink to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf which actually is symlink to /run/resolv.conf and /run doesn't have resolv.conf. Do I have to create it? |
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| 16:03.09 | jelly | s4ndm4n: is there a /run/resolv.conf outside the chroot? |
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| 16:03.25 | jelly | if there is, bind-mount /run into the chroot and proceed |
| 16:03.28 | fantome195 | Hi everyone here |
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| 16:04.57 | fantome195 | i have a problm in graphic card driver intel |
| 16:05.01 | s4ndm4n | jelly: There is no resolv.conf but there is a directory named resolvconf. |
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| 16:05.27 | jelly | s4ndm4n: note that /etc/resolvconf/run -> /run/resolvconf so file actually supposed to be at /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf |
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| 16:06.13 | jelly | s4ndm4n: if that's the case, then yeah, bind-mount /run at chroot's /path/to/chroot/run |
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| 16:06.55 | s4ndm4n | jelly: There is no resolv.conf inside /run/resolvconf |
| 16:07.01 | jelly | boo |
| 16:07.15 | jelly | s4ndm4n: does resolving work outside the chroot at all? |
| 16:07.15 | s4ndm4n | But there is one inside /etc outside chroot |
| 16:07.31 | s4ndm4n | jelly: It works. |
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| 16:08.33 | jelly | s4ndm4n: eh, can you bind-mount it over chroot's /etc/resolv.conf directly |
| 16:08.50 | jelly | it's possible to bind-mount a single file. |
| 16:09.06 | s4ndm4n | mount --bind ? |
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| 16:10.46 | jelly | yes, something like mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:11.00 | jelly | you'll probably have to rm /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf and touch /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:11.04 | jelly | first |
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| 16:12.21 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Wouldn't that cause problem while booting to Debian later? |
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| 16:13.41 | jelly | s4ndm4n: not if you wipe it or put things back as they were, before rebooting |
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| 16:14.28 | BluesKaj | my NTP server is greyed out on the kde control module date and time settings ..tried the tzdata command but the options there didn't fix anything |
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| 16:14.58 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Okay. Let me try it |
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| 16:16.07 | jelly | s4ndm4n: and if you delete the current link, you might as well just copy the file into chroot instead of messing with bind-mounts |
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| 16:16.51 | jelly | usually uses grml live image and its grml-chroot script that sets these things up automagically |
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| 16:17.24 | s4ndm4n | jelly: I don't know what that is. |
| 16:17.27 | s4ndm4n | will search later |
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| 16:20.39 | s4ndm4n | jelly: It worked. I deleted the symlink and create a new file resolv.conf in /etc and set the nameserver |
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| 16:21.55 | michaelis | Hi. Why cannot I find vuze in the repos? |
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| 16:27.58 | jelly | ,v vuze |
| 16:27.59 | judd | Package: vuze on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.3.0.6-1.1; wheezy: 4.3.0.6-5; sid: 4.3.0.6-5 |
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| 16:29.31 | jelly | michaelis: since noone packaged an updated version for Debian in a long, long time, and the last version present has lots of bugs, it got removed from jessie branch (now debian 8) during the last release cycle |
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| 16:30.47 | michaelis | jelly, Ok. I understand. Too bad. |
| 16:30.56 | BluesKaj | where is the default audio config/alsa-base settings file in debian jessie 8.1? |
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| 16:48.10 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: It's in the systemd registry. |
| 16:48.13 | quarkx | h 6 m ` 2 J u - ~ g { i K Z % / E R n j T | W Z m l v } l W / 2 & o d b O $ - 1 m |
| 16:48.14 | lift | umm... |
| 16:48.15 | quarkx | $ - W j V j h # M |
| 16:48.20 | quarkx | K V ( $ U o z w x i L $ - @ T ) e S Z * V i m X < # " ! c K r K e h u w x Y k 5 |
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| 16:48.37 | quarkx | GREEN AMAZING! YELLOW! |
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| 16:49.28 | openstandards | seriously? |
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| 16:49.52 | schquid | !ops |
| 16:49.52 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 16:51.39 | petn-randall | !ops quarkx |
| 16:51.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: quarkx |
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| 16:54.25 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, got a path to the systemd ? |
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| 16:56.49 | petn-randall | thanks jelly |
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| 16:57.00 | k_j | hi |
| 16:57.14 | k_j | is there a way to quickly know the license included in .deb? |
| 16:58.01 | jelly | k_j: each binary package is supposed to contain a file /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright containing that information |
| 16:58.14 | k_j | yes |
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| 16:58.15 | k_j | but |
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| 16:58.22 | k_j | how do you read it before installing? |
| 16:58.26 | Violetta_ | hi |
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| 16:59.15 | knivsta | anyone here using Gnome Evolution with Tor? |
| 16:59.19 | jelly | k_j: if you got the .deb from unknown sources and it's your only way to figure it out, you'd have to unpack it (eg. dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir/) |
| 16:59.27 | LoRez | k_j: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:59.28 | k_j | uh.. |
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| 17:00.01 | k_j | LoRez, to read the license of a .deb without installing it |
| 17:00.11 | LoRez | k_j: why? |
| 17:00.23 | k_j | LoRez, are you trolling me? |
| 17:00.31 | k_j | why not |
| 17:01.05 | jelly | k_j: if it's from the distro, you can look it up on http://packages.qa.debian.org/package |
| 17:01.47 | LoRez | k_j: are you trolling us? main is dfsg compliant. That limits the copyrights. Don't install from contrib or non-free if you don't want |
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| 17:03.06 | jelly | LoRez: ITYM limits the licenses |
| 17:03.19 | LoRez | yeah, that. whatev |
| 17:03.24 | k_j | LoRez, is there anything you don't get in "how to read the license in a .deb before installing it"? |
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| 17:03.43 | k_j | LoRez, either you know how to do that, or not. period. |
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| 17:04.17 | jelly | k_j: you got an answer, does dpkg --extract not work for you? |
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| 17:05.07 | k_j | jelly, yes, the one you gave is an answer |
| 17:05.48 | LoRez | k_j: Oh, I know how. "That sounds like a management person's stupid question." Also, packages.debian.org has a 'Copyright File' link for every package. |
| 17:06.22 | jelly | LoRez: use did not specify the provenance of their .deb bianry package |
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| 17:06.46 | k_j | LoRez, i have never mentioned packages.debian.org |
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| 17:06.51 | LoRez | jelly: that's why it's an 'also' |
| 17:07.01 | jelly | LoRez: pdo only covers packages that come from Debian itself, not "every package" |
| 17:07.02 | LoRez | k_j: that's why _I_ did. |
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| 17:08.05 | k_j | i don't even know what it is , and i do not want to know what it is ,as it does not answer my PRECISE AND SIMPLE question |
| 17:08.14 | LoRez | jelly: I might know a thing or two about debian. I'm not asking the questions. |
| 17:08.34 | LoRez | k_j: if you don't have dpkg available, you can unpack debs with cpio |
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| 17:09.57 | LoRez | er, no, ar |
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| 17:10.14 | LoRez | one of those. brain not braining today. too much initramfs work lately. |
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| 17:13.38 | jelly | k_j: sometimes we ask for more context because a question sounds as if someone's doing something unusual when there's a better workflow. If you're asked why you want to do something, it's because your question does not sound precise and simple to us, but as a clue you might actually be trying to solve something else. |
| 17:14.33 | k_j | jelly, yes, i know this possibility. but even if i know this possibility, my question cannot be different as it really is what i asked |
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| 17:16.14 | jelly | k_j: instead we might have asked "what are you going to do with this information?" or "where did your .deb come from if not Debian, the source might have relevant info" |
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| 17:16.44 | LoRez | if I got a .deb from some random, I'd unpack it by hand (or with dpkg --extract) to look at the scripts bundled with it, since they have root access when they run. |
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| 17:17.46 | abrotman | blinks |
| 17:17.47 | LoRez | (at least the scripts. No telling what's in the compiled binaries.) |
| 17:17.48 | jelly | dpkg -e (--control) will actually unpack the scripts, -x only does content (data.tar.gz) |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | jelly: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:17.55 | jelly | dpkg: be quiet |
| 17:17.56 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 17:18.02 | k_j | jelly, people who can potentially answer can not be assuming the questioner is stupid based on the pure fact that he/she is just asking. |
| 17:18.02 | abrotman | waves at LoRez |
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| 17:18.33 | LoRez | you assuming we were assuming you were stupid is probably a bad assumption |
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| 17:19.07 | jelly | k_j: we're not assuming you're stupid, but we often do assume you're going around some other goal the wrong way, when you ask an unusual question. Thus: more context. |
| 17:19.11 | LoRez | sup abrotman? |
| 17:19.20 | abrotman | Not dead yet! |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | goes back to sleep |
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| 17:22.00 | jelly | k_j: so why do you need this, and where did your mystery .deb come from, and what do you plan to do with this piece of information? |
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| 17:25.14 | k_j | jelly, why : to read if a license is valid for my needs, .deb: from third-party entity (i cannot reveal the name) plan: if it's opensource , install it |
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| 17:26.54 | abrotman | Eh, a license doesn't infer if it's open source. |
| 17:27.14 | unborn | jelly, I would like to know how to install multiple programs with one deb file.. I know how to do it via .sh but I have no idea how to create .deb.. is there any directions you would like to point to me out? I would like to have this only for my personal machines (running deb on all 18 machines in home) |
| 17:27.19 | unborn | - thanks |
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| 17:28.06 | jelly | k_j: see, that wasn't hard, and now that we understand your situation better we're not going to think it's an xyproblem |
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| 17:29.34 | mfkpyth | howdy |
| 17:29.41 | mfkpyth | debian developers |
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| 17:30.01 | jelly | unborn: sorry, I can only point you to the maintainers' guide. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:30.26 | mfkpyth | okay |
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| 17:30.30 | jelly | unborn: a single binary package can easily ship multiple programs / commands |
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| 17:30.39 | unborn | jelly, that would be fantastic as I was searching for proper manual but could not find the one.. |
| 17:31.03 | mfkpyth | can u point a guide for me on linux kernel driver developement |
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| 17:33.07 | b1101 | I just installed debian with encrypted partitions under lvm. grub fails to install. |
| 17:33.20 | jelly | mfkpyth: um. http://kernelnewbies.org/ for a community, and maybe LDD3 as a guide book. It's out of date but I don't know anything better. https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ |
| 17:33.43 | b1101 | should I be installing it to /sda ? or to the boot partition like /sda1 |
| 17:34.10 | mfkpyth | install grub to /sda |
| 17:34.15 | mfkpyth | ur first partition |
| 17:34.25 | b1101 | fails... |
| 17:34.37 | mfkpyth | then try installing to /sda1 |
| 17:34.42 | mfkpyth | @jelly ... |
| 17:34.42 | b1101 | also fails |
| 17:34.53 | b1101 | I can reboot and try to install it... |
| 17:34.58 | mfkpyth | which distro |
| 17:35.00 | jelly | mfkpyth: yes? |
| 17:35.03 | b1101 | debian |
| 17:35.06 | mfkpyth | thanks for the link |
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| 17:35.52 | mfkpyth | what debian version ...kali or other insane versions |
| 17:35.55 | abrotman | k_j: The license could be BSDL, which would complicate your question by quite a bit. |
| 17:36.06 | IDK-GG | hey guys, would there be any Graphical Enviroment for mainly terminal use but can create windows for gui? |
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| 17:36.23 | b1101 | it gives me a warning about efi... |
| 17:36.26 | k_j | abrotman, it could also be binary -only |
| 17:36.27 | jelly | mfkpyth: you're welcome. HTH. |
| 17:36.59 | abrotman | k_j: well, as a package, that's probably true. But that says nothing about the originating source |
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| 17:37.34 | WangDang_ | IDK-GG: ratpoison? |
| 17:37.36 | teraflops | IDK-GG: grab a tiling WM |
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| 17:38.03 | mfkpyth | do u have something else installed on ur master boot record? |
| 17:38.26 | IDK-GG | thanks for the suggestions |
| 17:38.39 | mfkpyth | okay |
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| 17:43.19 | acz32 | why do people like tiling WMs so much? that many people can not have big screens which means they use them on small screens which sounds awful |
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| 17:44.21 | Krakakanok | you can use the power of your pc in the important apps |
| 17:44.25 | valdyn | acz32: that makes no sense |
| 17:44.36 | valdyn | acz32: or what you are saying makes no sense |
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| 17:45.09 | xemacs | this sound like another best editor discussion |
| 17:45.17 | acz32 | valdyn: screen splitting in 13 inches makes sense to you? |
| 17:45.23 | acz32 | even 15 |
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| 17:45.37 | valdyn | acz32: that does not follow from tiling |
| 17:46.11 | acz32 | "follow from tiling"? are we speaking the same language? |
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| 17:46.27 | valdyn | acz32: tiling does not mean that you split your screen into many small parts |
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| 17:47.54 | acz32 | i didn't say small, you did. coming from someone who likes each application full screen in its own workspace, i would have no need for a tiling wm |
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| 17:48.12 | valdyn | acz32: it just means that whatever you have behind your windows, say you call that "desktop", gets no screen space |
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| 17:48.56 | sand_ | what is the differce between small install and complete install |
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| 17:49.10 | valdyn | sand_: where do you get those choices? |
| 17:49.22 | valdyn | sand_: theres no complete install of debian |
| 17:49.35 | sand_ | The website the images |
| 17:50.05 | valdyn | sand_: can you give a link? |
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| 17:50.16 | sand_ | valdyn: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 17:50.20 | valdyn | sand_: a "complete install" of debian clearly makes no sense |
| 17:51.01 | valdyn | sand_: it talks about the install medium |
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| 17:51.37 | valdyn | sand_: not about the installed debian - you can use something small where you get most packages on demand from the internet |
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| 17:52.11 | rainfyre | minimal install |
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| 17:52.16 | valdyn | sand_: or you can download everything and install everything from those dvd |
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| 17:52.32 | valdyn | sand_: the end result is the same |
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| 17:53.19 | sand_ | valdyn: okay, so minimal only gives the packages that downloaded the most |
| 17:53.37 | valdyn | !netinstall |
| 17:53.37 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 17:54.38 | sand_ | valdyn: So no matter which one you do you get the exact same packages |
| 17:54.44 | valdyn | sand_: yes |
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| 17:55.10 | unborn | jelly, multiple programs |
| 17:55.11 | unborn | :) |
| 17:55.16 | unborn | thanks |
| 17:55.19 | xemacs | i then to use just netinstall cd from debian |
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| 17:55.58 | fathom | Howdy, I installed debian on my desktop and get no audio. My GUI is KDE. I checked the levels, selected my sound card, monkeyed with the thing for ages and still nada |
| 17:56.30 | sand_ | valdyn: Okay, but when I try installing the netinstall on to serval different machinces and I choose the same software install options why does it give a different number of packages |
| 17:56.49 | valdyn | sand_: it does not |
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| 17:57.49 | xemacs | different hardware, may need diffeent packages |
| 17:58.02 | xemacs | make that will need |
| 17:58.34 | sand_ | valdyn: Yesterday I install debian on the same computer 2 times and chose the same software options and on the second time installing them had 200 more packages than the first time |
| 17:58.36 | valdyn | sand_: why do you think it does? |
| 17:58.58 | valdyn | sand_: that makes no sense at all |
| 17:59.06 | xemacs | driver and or disk drives ....... |
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| 17:59.27 | valdyn | this does not even happen on *different* computers, so sure as hell not on the same computer |
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| 18:00.02 | sand_ | valdyn: first install 1306 packages second had 1513 packages |
| 18:00.27 | valdyn | sand_: there's no point in debating this really. |
| 18:00.39 | xemacs | agreed |
| 18:00.55 | fathom | I guess there is no way to get audio to work |
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| 18:01.05 | sand_ | valdyn: Im not debating im just trying to figure out why it happened |
| 18:01.20 | valdyn | sand_: it happened because you chose different options |
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| 18:01.31 | valdyn | sand_: or used a different install image |
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| 18:02.19 | sand_ | valdyn: I chose the same options they were Gnome, Print Server, Web server and SSH server both times |
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| 18:03.58 | valdyn | sand_: usually when a user claims nondeterministic behaviour then its the user who is nondeterministic, not the computer |
| 18:04.25 | valdyn | sand_: now, im not saying your are necessarily wrong, but you should try a few more times and verify this before it makes sense to report this as a bug |
| 18:04.48 | sand_ | valdyn: I installed Debian from the same flash drive |
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| 18:05.42 | tdn | I would like to backup my filesystem to Google Drive (gdocs). What are the possibilities of doing this from Debian? |
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| 18:06.02 | sand_ | valdyn: I will go do it a couple of more times take pictures and upload them |
| 18:06.07 | tdn | I have tried googling for this but have only found methods that use a deprecated ClientLogin API that does not work anymore. |
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| 18:35.07 | knivsta | hey guys my Debian installation does Freeze/hang a lot, is it because of the FDE that I am using with old laptop SATA-1 HDD? |
| 18:35.10 | knivsta | or anything else? |
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| 18:38.20 | AngeFede | salue tout le monde |
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| 18:42.53 | BluesKaj | knivsta, FDE ? |
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| 18:44.46 | knivsta | BluesKaj, Full Disk Encryption |
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| 18:46.17 | ryouma | knivsta: what occurs when that occurs? does it unfreeze? |
| 18:46.36 | ryouma | fde does not take up much cpu. it's like 1-2% |
| 18:46.49 | BluesKaj | knivsta, is that needed, a requirement for work or some such ? |
| 18:47.15 | jhutchins_wk | knivsta: Intermittent freezes are frequently a sign of read failures on the disk. Check dmesg, install and enable smartmontools, make sure you have a backup, and price replacement disks. |
| 18:47.24 | knivsta | BluesKaj, no I just love it |
| 18:47.43 | knivsta | ryouma, Nothing mostly when I am watching a Video in iceweasel and have another tab open along with Hexchat |
| 18:47.45 | knivsta | nothing else |
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| 18:48.19 | ryouma | knivsta: do you use gkrellm or something and notice anything? |
| 18:48.19 | knivsta | jhutchins_wk, ok, I have another disk ready, from another laptop lol :) |
| 18:48.25 | ryouma | knivsta: like large disk transfers? |
| 18:48.28 | ryouma | indexing? |
| 18:48.29 | knivsta | no |
| 18:48.32 | knivsta | I don't |
| 18:48.35 | knivsta | yep, indexing |
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| 18:48.46 | ryouma | does it occur when you do that? |
| 18:48.46 | BluesKaj | knivsta, simplest is best with old HW , if you don't need encryption then why do it |
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| 18:49.03 | knivsta | Its i3-4130 system with 5 yr old Laptop SATA-1 HDD |
| 18:49.11 | knivsta | I need to get SATA-3 SSD :) |
| 18:49.33 | knivsta | ryouma, I don't know, it could be the case, Indexing is on and it is automatic |
| 18:49.55 | knivsta | BluesKaj, its latest Hardware but with old laptop HDD :) |
| 18:49.58 | knivsta | hence the issues I guess |
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| 18:50.51 | BluesKaj | shrugs...bah humbug :-) |
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| 18:51.45 | trysten | hiya debian! what's a good way to share a directory with windows machines? is samba still the way to go? |
| 18:51.57 | knivsta | BluesKaj, I don't like to throw stuff so I just put things to use, and now I think its time to throw this HDD and use the next laptop HDD which is Like 6 yrs old :] or maybe I should just get a SSD right? |
| 18:52.09 | knivsta | to get the performance kick :) |
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| 18:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | trysten: It's either samba or buy an NFS client for Windows and hope it works. |
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| 18:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | knivsta: Or you could install smartmontools and figure out if there's an actual problem. |
| 18:55.54 | BluesKaj | trysten, samba works well here with W7 and various linuxes |
| 18:56.06 | jhutchins_wk | knivsta: It would be disappointing to replace the drive and find out it was the CPU overheating that caused the freezes. |
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| 18:58.16 | JasonWoo1 | how do I get rid of the PDF extension in chromium (sid) |
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| 18:59.09 | unborn | knivsta, ssd could help you but also if your network setup is rubbish then not even ssd will help.. and yes - with windows - its samba share as always |
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| 18:59.37 | JasonWoof | it says "This extension is managed and cannot be removed or disabled" |
| 18:59.52 | JasonWoof | it's got a checkbox "allow in incogneto" which keeps re-checking itself |
| 19:00.13 | unborn | JasonWoof, good question for google.. |
| 19:01.40 | unborn | ...there is a still way to do it but its about google chrome..and its useless for me so - I do not really remember how to force chrome to download each pdf instead of opening them with one click and then with second click if I like what I see in that pdf - to download it. |
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| 19:10.22 | knivsta | jhutchins_wk, I really don't think its CPU, because I see the RED Right for HDD all RED for 20 secs - 30 secs until the system is frozen |
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| 19:11.38 | knivsta | I am sure it is not the processor, it is a system that can actually manage to do al ot of thigns |
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| 19:11.46 | knivsta | I just need to replace the HDD and see |
| 19:11.57 | unborn | knivsta, if your machine freezes its possibly hdd.. you can test this easy. check hdd and ram.. second most freezing problem is rams after hdd fail.. |
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| 19:12.30 | knivsta | unborn, RAM is all good, HP high quality its old laptop HDD I am telling you |
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| 19:12.41 | unborn | knivsta, if your cpu would overheat your pc would shoot down. well if that machine was build after 2001 |
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| 19:12.46 | abrotman | knivsta: swap perhaps? |
| 19:12.49 | pf_chat | knivsta, check cpu fan |
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| 19:12.59 | knivsta | unborn, its 4th Gen i3 |
| 19:13.00 | knivsta | :) |
| 19:13.11 | unborn | knivsta, hdd or ram :) |
| 19:13.22 | unborn | but I would say hdd is failing |
| 19:13.26 | knivsta | pf_chat, everything is good, CPU's temp is all good in Bios |
| 19:13.36 | gics | hello, it's only for me that i can't see mega.co homepage with iceweasel? It happens also with some other sites, i don't know if it's due to flash or what |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | knivsta: perhaps a BIOS update? |
| 19:13.51 | knivsta | unborn, RAM is also good, its damn HDD, I need to replace it now with SATA-3 SSD :) so actually see/feel the speed |
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| 19:14.15 | unborn | ssd.. knivsta its very fast :) |
| 19:14.19 | unborn | I can tell |
| 19:14.45 | unborn | just make sure you start copying your stuff out asap |
| 19:14.45 | knivsta | ok |
| 19:14.47 | knivsta | how come? |
| 19:15.03 | knivsta | I am going to backup all the stuff I need tomorrow and then try another HDD I have |
| 19:15.22 | knivsta | if it won't work I would zero it and throw it away |
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| 19:15.47 | knivsta | and if Next one has has no issues I would make it happen else I would zero that one too and throw it away |
| 19:16.17 | unborn | knivsta, as your hdd is dyeing each spin can get closer to dead |
| 19:17.05 | knivsta | unborn, ok, I would back it up as soon as possible then, also Debian's Disk checkup while boot gives me a lot of Error that have suggested possible Bad HDD :) |
| 19:17.07 | unborn | ...just copy your stuff out asap or use live dvd to operate pc till you will have new hdd |
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| 19:17.19 | knivsta | I have another HDD ready with mer |
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| 19:17.42 | unborn | knivsta, so connect it as ubs disk and copy your /home out |
| 19:17.54 | unborn | once done you have no worries right? |
| 19:18.05 | knivsta | unborn, no I would reinstall everything now |
| 19:18.15 | knivsta | and I have another backup disk |
| 19:18.17 | knivsta | :0 |
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| 19:18.28 | knivsta | unborn, all of these are old laptop disks I have :) |
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| 19:18.38 | knivsta | and I am using it with Dekstops |
| 19:18.46 | knivsta | after all these years and I expect performance lol |
| 19:18.53 | unborn | knivsta, well if you dont need data or you have it already backed up those.. just reinstall on new hdd.. |
| 19:19.10 | knivsta | yep |
| 19:19.13 | knivsta | I would do it |
| 19:19.25 | knivsta | unborn, do you suggest any SATA-3 SSD? |
| 19:19.40 | knivsta | I am thinking about actually using this Desktop's full power now :) |
| 19:19.44 | unborn | knivsta, any ssd will do it for you.. |
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| 19:19.57 | knivsta | no man I would want SATA-3 :) |
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| 19:20.15 | knivsta | and that too slick one, so that I actually get 10x perfomance kick and |
| 19:20.16 | knivsta | all |
| 19:20.23 | knivsta | and I really want it right now |
| 19:20.30 | unborn | I have kingstone something black v5 or what ever it calls.. its durable unit.. if that makes you happy yeah go with sata 3.. issue solved. |
| 19:20.59 | knivsta | SAMSUNG is the one then |
| 19:21.06 | knivsta | SAMSUNG EVO Pro |
| 19:21.07 | knivsta | :) |
| 19:21.17 | knivsta | those are state-of-art and fastest |
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| 19:21.58 | unborn | knivsta, I have this one.. does the job perfectly http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/sandisk-960gb-ultra-ii-ssd-drive-sata-iii-a36rr |
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| 19:22.21 | gptjess | i want to install jessie on my laptop which has 4 gig ram and a 768GB hard drive. i was told the amd64 iso is the one to go for. partition wise the jessie installer defaults to msdos. i was told gpt is better. any thoughts on the matter? |
| 19:22.36 | unborn | knivsta, samsung is overpriced.. anyway I am glad you changing your hdd and you solving your problem |
| 19:23.03 | unborn | gptjess, what is your cpu? |
| 19:23.20 | acz32 | would dmesg be the place to look for boot issues? sometimes the screen freezes up during the boot process right before the login prompt. if i do a hard reset it works |
| 19:23.33 | gptjess | unborn, Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2328M CPU @ 2.20GHz |
| 19:24.06 | unborn | gptjess, yeah that iso will serve your machine well.. :) |
| 19:24.25 | gptjess | my question is not about the iso. it is about gpt |
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| 19:25.03 | unborn | you've been told good. |
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| 19:28.32 | gptjess | i want to install jessie on my laptop which has 4 gig ram and a 768GB hard drive. partition wise the jessie installer defaults to msdos. i was told gpt is better. any thoughts on the matter? how can i choose to parttion using gpt during the install? if i go for gpt, will i have to follow any extra steps concerning grub? |
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| 19:29.29 | knivsta | unborn, omg why so much of space? I would end up buying 64 GB one :) I don't need much space at all, but I would certainly go with 120 GB ones at least |
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| 19:31.08 | unborn | knivsta, that is irrelevant isnt it? - but to your knowledge I am web developer and IT I need it.. |
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| 19:32.30 | orwein | why is the postinst script of a deb package is being executed even if the preinst returned exit code 1 |
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| 19:34.32 | knivsta | unborn, how about Intel 530 Desktop SSD SATA 6.0 Gpbs |
| 19:35.43 | knivsta | unborn, ah :) |
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| 19:36.35 | unborn | knivsta, I am sorry but I thought you just want to know what is the issue.. sorry yeah intel disk is good but - I dont need it.. I have 129 gigs ssd on my server and is totaly awesome |
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| 19:44.37 | knivsta | unborn, www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct120bx100ssd1 I have finally ordered this one :) |
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| 19:45.20 | tempspace | I figure if I'm doing something twice, I'm doing something wrong |
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| 19:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | gptjess: You could always pre-partition it with parted, then do an advanced install. |
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| 19:56.24 | Guest30187 | hello. i have a dell inspiron 14, 3000 series whose f1 f2 f3... keys arent working. |
| 19:56.32 | Guest30187 | i'm following this to fix it. |
| 19:56.35 | carlgeorge | Rackspace is looking for a Linux Engineer with experience building Debian and/or Ubuntu packages. http://rackspace.jobs/san-antonio-tx/ubuntu-linux-engineer/2532116AFB2B4E7093C154362DFB5F5B/job/ |
| 19:56.45 | Guest30187 | https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 19:58.28 | abrotman | carlgeorge: Please don't spam here, that's not what this channel is for |
| 19:58.29 | Guest30187 | what should i do |
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| 19:58.38 | Guest30187 | pls |
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| 19:58.52 | gptjess | jhutchins_wk, what about gparted live? what are the disadvantages of gpt? any extra steps that i need to take to make my root partition bootable? what about grub and gpt? jessie will be the only operating system on the hard disk |
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| 19:59.58 | knivsta | I got dc |
| 19:59.59 | knivsta | hehe |
| 20:00.17 | Guest30187 | hi |
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| 20:02.20 | Guest30187 | i'm desperated. i need to fix this keyboard problem. i have set all possible schemes for keyboard layout. |
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| 20:09.12 | carlgeorge | abrotman: Sorry. Is there a more appropriate place to share listings for Debian-related jobs? |
| 20:09.28 | abrotman | carlgeorge: I believe there's actually a debian-jobs mailing list |
| 20:09.50 | abrotman | looks |
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| 20:10.18 | babilen | https://lists.debian.org/debian-jobs/ |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | carlgeorge: https://lists.debian.org/debian-jobs/ Much better place. Thanks |
| 20:11.28 | carlgeorge | Awesome, thanks for the info. |
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| 20:15.38 | jhutchins_wk | gptjess: I believe gparted works with gpt, so the live version will work, and grub has no problems working with GPT disks. The only disadvantages I can think of is software that doesn't understand GPT. The kernel works with it, and you can work with the partitions using parted, so there really isn't a problem. |
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| 20:16.53 | jhutchins_wk | Guest16301: Are they sending a scancode you can see with xev? |
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| 20:16.58 | orwein | why is the postinst script of a deb package is being executed even if the preinst returned exit code 1 |
| 20:17.38 | jelly | orwein: executed with which arguments? |
| 20:17.55 | valdyn | orwein: that question is not really useful. It just is like that. |
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| 20:18.30 | orwein | jelly: I'm creating my own deb package and I'm trying to stop the installation if some if statement is met, so I try and 'exit 1' expecting the installation to stop. However it keeps on going.. How can I stop it? |
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| 20:19.55 | jelly | orwein: purge your package, add something like echo "called: $0 $*" to all the scripts, and show what happens |
| 20:20.19 | gptjess | jhutchins_wk, thanks. my hard drive size is 768GB. i intend to create a 15 gig / , a 2.2 gig swap , a 3.9 /var and the rest will be allocated to /home my question: will i have to create any extra or special partition if i go for gpt? |
| 20:20.23 | orwein | jelly: What's the proper way of stopping the installation via the preinst? is there a way to do it? |
| 20:20.43 | jelly | orwein: you're doing it already, I'm not sure what really happens there. |
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| 20:20.58 | valdyn | orwein: https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
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| 20:22.01 | orwein | jelly, valdyn thanks i'll take another look maybe i'm doing somtehing wrong. |
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| 20:22.39 | debianuser_ | i have a dell inspiron 14 series 3000 whose keyboard model is not listed in keyboard-configuration application. |
| 20:22.40 | valdyn | orwein: the call chain is different if you do upgrade than if you do install. In any case you can check the script argument. |
| 20:22.48 | jelly | orwein: postinst of a package being freshly installed shouldn't get called at all if preinst (with an install parameter) fails, that's what preinst is for |
| 20:22.59 | debianuser_ | the f1, f2, f3, .. keys arent working with the model that i picked up. |
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| 20:23.06 | debianuser_ | what should i do in order to fix it? |
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| 20:23.28 | orwein | oh.. i'm doing an upgrade |
| 20:23.32 | orwein | that must be it |
| 20:23.33 | jelly | orwein: if you're repeatedly testing installation of a package _with same version_, dpkg will be confused and use old install scripts in some cases |
| 20:23.52 | orwein | oh, yes, another mistake, i'm using the same version number. |
| 20:24.29 | orwein | OK, cool. thanks! |
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| 20:25.01 | jelly | orwein: this is why you want to purge the package first before trying to install anew |
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| 20:27.13 | debianuser_ | hi? |
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| 20:28.19 | jhutchins_wk | debianuser_: Are they sending a scancode you can read with xev? |
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| 20:33.01 | orwein | I'm also sure that my exit code is being executed since I can see this: http://pastebin.com/b6a0ch9Z |
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| 20:33.21 | sand_ | valdyn: I apologize I miss read the screen it said files not packages |
| 20:33.39 | debianuser_ | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 20:33.59 | SwK | anyone have a quick link⦠gotta Deb 7 box w/ 3.2 kernel⦠I gotta get a 2.6 kernel on this thing for the software I dont get a choice on⦠anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:34.05 | debianuser_ | hi |
| 20:34.05 | jelly | orwein: can you add debug echo lines as requested, purge and try again? |
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| 20:34.17 | debianuser_ | im reading the keycode for f1 it is 121 when it should be 67 |
| 20:34.22 | debianuser_ | jhutchins_wk: |
| 20:34.30 | debianuser_ | the other keys are okay. |
| 20:34.31 | orwein | jelly: I'll happily add the lines, but can I avoid purging the package? I'll upgrade the version |
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| 20:35.34 | debianuser_ | jhutchins_wk: i have picked up portuguese brasil as layout. |
| 20:35.39 | jelly | orwein: as long as it's clearly visible it's the new scripts that are called and which parameters |
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| 20:37.24 | oidzsfsdkg | SCREW YOUR REALLY STABLE TABLES |
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| 20:40.09 | orwein | jelly: Seems to be working now.. Not sure why the previous run didn't work. Thanks! |
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| 20:40.46 | debianuser_ | i think the keyboard layout should be abnt or something. |
| 20:41.16 | jelly | orwein: probably because you didn't purge, and old scripts gotused somehow |
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| 20:41.55 | orwein | When I purge, does it also remove the package from my system? or just cached files related to deb installation/ |
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| 20:43.23 | matthiaskrgr | jelly: whats the difference between "left channel [ requested by ..]] and kicked ? |
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| 20:44.44 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: look up "REMOVE command" in https://github.com/freenode/ircd-seven/blob/master/NEWS |
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| 21:05.26 | amnename32 | hey, guys. i am back. so, trying to make my scanner to work, i messed up the file 'dll.conf' in /etc/sane.d . does anyone know where i could download the default config file so that i will replace it? thanks |
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| 21:12.23 | nezZario | If this is inappropriate to ask then feel free to point me to the door -- but anyone know of a super cheap usb wifi adapter that's compatible with Debian out of the box? |
| 21:12.43 | rainfyre | nezZario: do you mean wifi dongle? |
| 21:12.43 | nezZario | maybe on amazon .. |
| 21:12.47 | nezZario | yes |
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| 21:13.24 | rainfyre | nezZario: Alfa AWUS036h |
| 21:13.39 | rainfyre | nezZario: $40, works out of the box |
| 21:14.10 | nezZario | ahh yeah, i actually had one of those, the older G one, I was looking for like a $10 one .. but I might just go ahead and spend the extra $30, those things are awesome |
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| 21:14.26 | nezZario | they support promiscuous mode as well |
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| 21:15.09 | rainfyre | I use it for my G5 Mac running Debian Jessie, it's always been flawless |
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| 21:15.31 | nezZario | actually yeah, I am .. because I still have mine just both antennas broke. If I get the ones on amazon that come with 2 antennas, I'll have 2 for the price of 1 |
| 21:15.37 | nezZario | thanks for reminding me about that one :) |
| 21:15.42 | rainfyre | ahh |
| 21:15.49 | rainfyre | I have 4 antennaa |
| 21:16.25 | rainfyre | 2 came from a router that I had, they fit and work great. I use it for all of my netinstalls on laptops because it works and then I can download the drivers for the internal card |
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| 21:57.04 | Somelauw | I'm having a problem with videos. www.youtube.com/html5 says I don't have Media Source Extensions, which might be related to my problem. Can these be obtained somehow? |
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| 22:00.59 | lazlo | Somelauw: try to install gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-good |
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| 22:03.29 | Somelauw | how is it ugly? |
| 22:03.51 | Somelauw | thanks, I'll try |
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| 22:04.41 | Somelauw | they were already installed :-( |
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| 22:05.09 | rainfyre | Somelauw: what browser? |
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| 22:11.21 | Somelauw | rainfyre: firefox unofficial version 38 (not iceweasel I'm sorry) |
| 22:11.49 | mtn | Somelauw, chromium does html5 much better |
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| 22:12.42 | jpo | s/html5/*/ |
| 22:12.44 | Somelauw | chromium works so far. What I find doing myself at the moment is switching to chrome whenever I want to watch a video |
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| 22:21.28 | rainfyre | Somelauw: oh I use firefox too. Videos play better for me in Chromium at the moment though |
| 22:25.04 | Somelauw | rainfyre: better or just at all? |
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| 22:27.47 | rainfyre | Somelauw: both :) |
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| 22:29.10 | Somelauw | oh, i meant: do you also have that videos don't work in firefox at all? |
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| 22:31.13 | EUFIz | theres so many users and so little chat on this channel |
| 22:31.19 | EUFIz | its just amazing |
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| 22:31.58 | valdyn | Somelauw: flash videos are faster in chromium |
| 22:32.23 | valdyn | Somelauw: your problem is related to not using the debian package, so you're on your own |
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| 22:32.58 | EUFIz | Somelauw: you are now officially using a debian fork |
| 22:33.18 | valdyn | umm, I didnt say that |
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| 22:33.59 | EUFIz | a spoon maybe? |
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| 22:35.23 | rainfyre | Somelauw: yes, I have been having trouble with videos in firefox lately |
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| 22:56.33 | Otyugh | I'd like to use nano when I do "man something", is that easy to setup ? |
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| 23:02.00 | Somelauw | Otyugh: Why would you want that? I guess export PAGER=nano if nano accepts stdin. Otherwise you can probably make a wrapper. |
| 23:02.47 | Otyugh | Somelauw: I just don't feel confortable in "man" ; nano has a simple search function and I'm used to it x) |
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| 23:04.23 | Somelauw | Otyugh: Try this in a console first: PAGER='nano -' man man |
| 23:04.23 | hhmmm | press slash to search, same as firefox ;) how do you search in nano? |
| 23:04.36 | Somelauw | firefox uses ctrl+f by default |
| 23:04.37 | Otyugh | ctrl+w : tip stuff |
| 23:04.50 | rainfyre | (it's aptitude that uses / to search ..) |
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| 23:05.30 | hhmmm | and firefox and man |
| 23:05.46 | Otyugh | Somelauw: nasty result :s |
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| 23:05.58 | Otyugh | I've got char problems |
| 23:06.18 | Otyugh | I have not them using "nano <(man man)" thought oO |
| 23:06.34 | hhmmm | oh and less, man uses less |
| 23:07.10 | Somelauw | not sure if nano has a way to fix colour escape sequences, but you can probably disable man from using them |
| 23:07.13 | chevrom_lum | less > more |
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| 23:30.35 | doudou01 | hi, is there a versioning filesystem, something like ext3cow? |
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| 23:31.09 | starter | hi,what i can do with this error.when unig sudo apt-get install update E :Unable to locate package update |
| 23:31.56 | srg | starter: "update" isn't a package |
| 23:32.09 | srg | `sudo apt-get install foo` installs package "foot" |
| 23:32.16 | srg | you're trying to install the package named "update" |
| 23:32.49 | Brigo | starter, if you want to update the package list then apt-get update -without install-. |
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| 23:33.02 | starter | srg:when typing |
| 23:33.05 | starter | sudo apt-get install nodjs |
| 23:33.07 | starter | E: Unable to locate package nodjs |
| 23:33.30 | rabbitear | its 'node' |
| 23:34.17 | starter | oh thanks |
| 23:34.22 | Ogmios | nods |
| 23:34.32 | Brigo | starter, if you want to search for a package, use apt-cache search |
| 23:35.07 | toothe | something is wrong |
| 23:35.20 | toothe | I've tried to install Debian 3 times now, and each time it boots up at the grub> menu, and doens't allow me to proceed |
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| 23:35.23 | toothe | There is no default kernel, nothing |
| 23:35.31 | toothe | I can't boot into Debian, even though it spent 2-3 hours installing the packages. |
| 23:35.36 | toothe | this is not how it was working in VMs |
| 23:35.45 | toothe | I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 23:36.13 | jpo | im trying to get 32bit binaries running on my freshly-installed amd64 system. any idea what i'm doing wrong? http://ix.io/jJG |
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| 23:36.32 | jpo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708236 seems relevant but running `apt-get update` doesn't fix it for me |
| 23:36.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/708236 in ia32-libs (closed): «[ia32-libs] fail to install on jessie amd64»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-05-14; last modified: 2013-06-12. |
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| 23:37.39 | toothe | any ideas why Debian isn't autobooting a kernel? Why is the Grub installation crapping out? |
| 23:37.48 | starter | another question.i can not install drop down extension in debian but i can on fedora.why? |
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| 23:38.07 | starter | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/442/drop-down-terminal/ |
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| 23:39.38 | doudou01 | why debian hurd crash silently if not enought memory? cant test memory before? |
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| 23:47.49 | beepie | toothe, another possibility is using "device" instead of UUID |
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| 23:48.15 | beepie | toothe, linux installers should use "UUID" for grub to work against, as booting up with "/dev/sda" can be mapped to "usb" drives |
| 23:48.22 | beepie | toothe, so this is something to consider for installers |
| 23:48.48 | beepie | toothe, that's pretty much the other thing that could of caused your problem |
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| 23:49.10 | beepie | toothe, as for the latest debian installer i haven't tried, so I can't tell if there is this option to change, but if I recall the debian installer now uses UUID |
| 23:49.20 | beepie | hopes he's correct on this |
| 23:49.43 | beepie | toothe, opensuse's installer used to default on the /dev/sdN strings, but as of latest releases it now defaults to UUID |
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| 23:51.17 | toothe | why do people use uuid's? |
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| 23:52.56 | beepie | toothe, because they're unique for partition filesystems.. |
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| 23:53.03 | beepie | toothe, /dev/sda is not unique |
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| 23:53.17 | beepie | toothe, /dev/sdN can be mapped to an internal drive or to a USB drive randomly |
| 23:53.18 | peterrooney | because mobo manufactureres couldn't keep it together |
| 23:53.30 | beepie | toothe, that's why the installer should be using UUID for grub to match against |
| 23:53.44 | beepie | toothe, the UUID is actually a unique alphanumeric number in the header of the filesystem |
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| 23:54.18 | beepie | toothe, it's technically simple to know what it is, but it was a common problem back when more people began installing Linux on usb drives |
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