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00:04.18mek42is a UUID really unique or simply, most likely unique?  how do I know that some other guy's USB drive he's letting me copy something from doesn't have the same UUID as my own usb drive, for example?
00:04.25doudou01what happened to ext3cow next3 all versionning filesystems?
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00:09.22frostschutzmek42, the most common reason for dupe uuid is that you used dd to copy a filesystem (and its uuid along with it)
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00:25.23ryoumafor a home user, /dev/disk/by-id can be convenient and avoids problems like that
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00:26.06ryoumamuch better than uuid for my purposes, at least
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00:27.37brandaohi, I'm using a 1MB TrueCrypt container for passwords, but want to get away from TC completely. Whats the best for it between eCryptfs, encFS and dm-crypt/LUKS?
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00:28.27c0febrandao: why do you want to get away from TrueCrypt?
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00:28.48brandaoc0fe because its not in the repo
00:29.15srgand it's unmaintained.
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00:29.23srgbrandao:  use cryptsetup/LUKs
00:29.25brandaoI was going to say it
00:29.27srgI use*
00:29.31c0fesrg: its also audited
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00:29.47brandaoencfs too is audited
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00:32.21andrilhello
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00:33.40andrili need n00b help with getting conky to autostart in gnome3 pls
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00:36.43srvkWhat soundcard do you recommend for compatibility and fidelity/performance in debian 8?
00:36.45OerHeksandril, if you create instead of /etc/conky/conky.conf a ~/.conkyrc in your /home folder, it will autostart AFAIK
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00:40.28c0febrandao: right and encfs was fairly unsecure. but what's your point?
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00:42.37andrilOerHeks, i have the /.conkyrc in Home
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00:44.27OerHeksandril, is it executable?
00:44.41andrilOerHeks, not sure
00:44.54andrili can run it from terminal
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00:45.37OerHekschmod +x ~/.conkyrc
00:45.45OerHekslogout & login
00:45.59brandaoc0fe: ?
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00:51.51andrilOerHeks, i appreciate it, but it did not start after reboot :(
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00:52.13entourageis Firefox 39 available for Debian?
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00:54.18Brigo,v iceweasel
00:54.20juddPackage: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-2; sid: 38.1.0esr-3; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1;
00:54.21juddexperimental: 39.0-1
00:54.32Brigoentourage, yes, jessie-backports.
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01:14.29aswinHi, How many of you are using  irssi in debian?
01:15.32aswinI have an issue with alt+<1 - 9> channel selecting option in my debian
01:15.37Swatheaswin: I am using it on my server in a screen session
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01:16.27at0m|caswin: what's the 'issue'
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01:16.28aswinSwathe: Can you able to shift channels with Alt+1
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01:17.24aswinat0m|c: Alt+<1 - 9> option for switch between channels is not working properly
01:17.38aswinat0m|c: any suggestions?
01:18.10Equaaswin: do you have another tab opened with the terminal?
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01:18.34aswinEqua: No !
01:19.15Swatheaswin: I'm on a mac so I use the esc key instead of alt to switch
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01:20.06Swathethe behaviour of the alt key could be a configuration issue with the actual terminla you are using
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01:20.48aswinSwathe: It works for me too :) Gracias!
01:22.05CrateZif you're bored at your computer you can tune in to our radio at http://www.crate-digger.net enjoy. 8D
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01:25.46Swatheaswin: No worries :)
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01:34.55ElOchoWith all the news about the hacking team breach, I was just wondering how safe I am using chromium and pepperflash with Debians apparmor profile?
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01:35.27ElOchosay for one of those "watch free tv shows online" kind of sites
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01:36.04angevinhaha I was runnin debian testing and it shutdown uncleanly and some systemd error prevented me from even booting into single user mode
01:36.27angevinlinux is now sonme non-unix faggot windows-like OS : so choose FreeBSD or OpenBSD instead
01:36.47angevins/runnin/running/
01:36.52angevinfuck linux it is for faggots
01:37.15ElOchowhy are you even here then?
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01:48.29mek42maybe he is a kfreebsd user, lol
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01:50.17beepiemek42, kfreebsd, you mean like a loser? XD
01:50.37beepieuser loser tehehehe
01:50.41beepieused kfreebsd oops
01:50.50beepiezfs is great!
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01:51.18beepie"<angevin> fuck linux it is for faggots"
01:51.26beepie!ops angevin came back again
01:51.26dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: beepie complains about: angevin came back again
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01:51.37beepiei think he was knocked the other day
01:51.43beepiemek42, yeah that guy again
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01:53.14dvsand angevin already left
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01:54.05mek42i take it you're not a fan of kfreebsd?
01:55.59beepieelaborated on your gesture, but yes I have mixed feelings about kfreebsd but what's happening to it btw?
01:56.12beepie(it's got stalled for sometime i recall-- no jessie release)
01:56.17beepie!kfreebsd
01:56.17dpkgDebian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.  kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns.  https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ  #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
01:56.20beepiethere there
01:56.33beepieback awhile ago i read this online
01:56.41beepiebut it's good for trying out zfs
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01:56.51beepie(though it's only on the 64-bit edition)
01:57.01beepieso yes kfreebsd -- interesting optimizations
01:57.18beepiewould i not use it? dunno, i was just trying it out not long ago
01:57.48beepiemek42, wouldn't mind being a fan! why not?
01:58.32beepiemek42, pretty sure the codebase for networking would probably be even better than linux
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02:00.10mek42zfs on bare metal with pci passthrough is what is drawing me to dbian
02:00.16mek42debian
02:00.43beepieinteresting never thought of that, sounds like virtio shit
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02:01.02beepieuses virtio with kvm
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02:01.19beepiei'd have to get wet and dirty again with zfs
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02:04.23computernerd10Anyone know where I can find info on Debian and Secure Boot? I know it won't boot by default with the MS setup, but does Debian sign with its own key or something?
02:04.51mek42i looked into illumos, but no pci passthrough yet
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02:14.13aswinHi, Can anyone suggest me an android emulator that works fine in Debian?
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02:20.17cjen129hi. can someone please help me get my clock set to the right time? it's off now even though when i first logged into debian is was correct
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02:20.26cjen129i can't get it to stay the correct time
02:20.49Brigocjen129, do you have internet connection?
02:20.56cjen129Brigo, yes
02:21.07Brigocjen129, then use ntp servers.
02:21.23beepieaswin, uh i believe there's a number of them
02:21.25cjen129how? i did dpkh configure tzdata and selected my time zone
02:21.31cjen129dpkg
02:21.35beepieaswin, not sure if a single one is packaged as i'm not in this domain
02:22.03Brigo!ntp
02:22.03dpkgThe Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network.  "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool.  http://wiki.debian.org/NTP  http://www.ntp.org/  See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
02:22.15beepieaswin, but it's something you occassionally find with IDE kits, and yes it should work fine with debian-- I can only assume you don't have your java setup properly which is why you'rehaving problems
02:22.38cjen129Brigo, i alraddy installed ntp but it isn't working
02:22.47cjen129there as a page on debian wiki i followed
02:23.10cjen129i think it has something to do with UTC maybe? that is set as my current time zone
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02:23.59cjen129the date is even wrong, and one day ahead
02:26.12Brigocjen129, if you date if too wrong ntpd will not touch it, try to change it with date command
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02:27.30Brigocjen129, this like could help: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/
02:27.40Brigocjen129, sorry, i have to go. good luck.
02:27.49cjen129thanks
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02:37.11si_kabayanwhen i do aptitude upgrade, there is always Current status: 1 update [-12], is there some package not installed?
02:37.52aediniussi_kabayan: Is that on an update or upgrade?
02:37.55si_kabayanHow do i know what is this 1 package left to upgrade?
02:38.18si_kabayanaedinius: after aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
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02:39.05aediniusWhen you do the upgrade it should list all of the packages that will be upgraded (at the Y/n prompt)
02:39.14aediniusWhat happens if you do dist-upgrade?
02:39.17dvssi_kabayan: it means you just upgraded 12 packages
02:39.38si_kabayanSo, it is normal?
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02:40.01si_kabayanI thought, there is still one pakage left to upgrade
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02:40.26daniel-sHi
02:40.39daniel-sWhy is it that all of the OFTC SSL certificates are not in my certificate store?
02:40.51daniel-sI have an up-to-date version of wheezy.
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02:46.12dvssi_kabayan: No, I think that you ran the update once.
02:47.01dvssi_kabayan: you can run update again and see what it says
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03:58.40feneco_i'm trying to install chrome .deb package on debian 8-gnome, but seems that package installer doesn't work
03:58.48feneco_do you know about some issue?
04:02.18feneco_i guess that my user is not in sudoers so it doesnt work
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04:27.21Chocolate_ChipHello. I'm having a bit of trouble i nstalling Jesse to my i386
04:27.46Chocolate_ChipI want to do a net install, but the pre-install enviorment doens't recognize my USB dongle
04:28.16husqarwhat kind of dongle?
04:28.45husqaryou mean a wlan dongle?
04:28.53Chocolate_ChipWirelss dongloe. A reiltek chipset
04:28.57Chocolate_ChipEdimax brand
04:29.06Chocolate_ChipYes, wlan
04:29.11husqarwhat does dmesg say?
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04:30.01Chocolate_Chipdmesg?
04:30.43husqara command line tool which print the kernel ring buffer
04:30.49husqarprints*
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04:32.11Chocolate_ChipI knew that the Preinstall Enviorment probably wouldn't recognize my dongle, so I got the 8CDs with all the packages. That was the first thing I tried. It failed to install the other packages. So then I tried a multitude of other things. I finally got KDE installed with a large number of packages missing. I could not install the linux driver from the KDE enviorment. Also, USB support was completly non-existant
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04:33.27Chocolate_ChipThe way I was able to finally install KDE was usintg thwe KDE CD image. Supprisingly that didn't allow me to install the package from the Preinstall Enviorment, but allowed the install through Aptitude (using the CD)
04:33.49husqarChocolate_Chip: I'd simply use a different usb dongle.
04:34.06Chocolate_ChipWell, I have the driver. It's just very annoying.
04:34.18Chocolate_ChipIs it posible to simpily copy the driver files into the Debian image?
04:34.41husqarChocolate_Chip: Do you have the sources?
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04:35.33Chocolate_ChipI have the install CD
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04:35.45Chocolate_ChipWhich contains the drivers for Mac, Linux, and Windows
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04:36.13husqarChocolate_Chip: well you probably dont have the driver for this exact kernel.
04:36.56husqarChocolate_Chip: the best thing would be to just use a wired connection for the install or a different and defnitly supported wlan stick.
04:36.57jellyChocolate_Chip: is the dongle present in "lsusb" output when you plug it in??
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04:37.17Chocolate_Chipjelly, I don't know...
04:37.22Chocolate_ChipI'm kinda new to this
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04:37.36Chocolate_ChipI was using the text-based installer
04:37.56husqarwithin the installer press alt-f2 and type lsusb
04:38.08Chocolate_ChipOk
04:38.09husqarlsusb is a text based tool
04:38.14Chocolate_ChipI don't think it will be
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04:38.33Chocolate_ChipWhen it finished installing, it had no USB support
04:38.35husqarChocolate_Chip: oh sry ctrl-alt-f2
04:38.51Chocolate_ChipK
04:39.16husqarChocolate_Chip: what install media are you excatly using? could you give me the link?
04:39.33Chocolate_ChipWell, I've tried a variety of images
04:39.38Chocolate_ChipHold on. I'll compile a list
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04:42.41Chocolate_ChipI'm DCCing it to you, husqar
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04:43.07Chocolate_ChipHmm. It failed
04:43.09husqarwont work
04:43.14jelly!paste
04:43.14dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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04:43.28Chocolate_ChipOk
04:43.40husqarChocolate_Chip: I think this is your problem https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en
04:44.36Chocolate_ChipIt's weird cuz this Wireless adaptor previously worked by default on Raspbian, a Debian based distro for the Raspberry Pi Microcomputer
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04:46.06Chocolate_Chiphttp://paste.debian.net/282460/
04:47.23husqarChocolate_Chip: you could either try the suggestion from the link above or as a workaround these install media  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/
04:49.14Chocolate_ChipWell, I'm downloading this then\
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04:50.03husqarChocolate_Chip: I'm not shure but raspian included the non-free repository and that's why it worked, I think
04:50.11Chocolate_ChipK
04:50.18husqarChocolate_Chip: I could be wrong..
04:51.08husqarChocolate_Chip: I hope you read the first link I send to you which explains the problem and why it is so..
04:51.20Chocolate_ChipWell, I've reinsalled my copy of Windows XP 4 times now just to download Debian and burn it
04:51.30Chocolate_Chipi hpe I'm almost done here
04:52.04husqarChocolate_Chip: Well here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ this is a install manual.
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04:52.52husqarChocolate_Chip: It's very "complete".
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05:25.35husqarChocolate_Chip: how is it going?
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05:26.33Chocolate_ChipI downloaded the ISO
05:26.43Chocolate_ChipAnd I don't have nay more blank CDs
05:26.48Chocolate_ChipAnd no USB Flash
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05:27.17spacebisonThat's terrible.
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05:30.33EquaChocolate_Chip: do you have an ethernet port?
05:30.51Chocolate_ChipYes, but I'd have to move the entire system to a compl;etly other room
05:31.04Chocolate_ChipI'm considering getting a seprate modem for this room
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06:05.35tdnI would like to backup my filesystem to Google Drive (gdocs). What are the possibilities of doing this? I have tried googling for this but have only found methods that use a deprecated ClientLogin API that does not work anymore.
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06:10.55Equatdn: have you taken a look at grive?
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06:19.46tdnEqua, yeah, but it seems to be unmaintained? Last commits are 2-3 years old.
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06:20.38tdnAlso, it seems that how it works is that it downloads google drive locally and then syncs it... I was hoping for something that would not need to take up 2x space locally.
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06:22.01mi11k1Can somebody tell me where I install the files from the program I downloaded that doesn't have an install script?
06:22.38tdnmi11k1, is it a .deb package?
06:22.54mi11k1No, it was just something I unzipped and it just runs Has an executable
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06:23.13mi11k1It's the sublime three text editor
06:23.27Equatdn: how about using rsync? https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/gsutil/commands/rsync
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06:23.45mi11k1I am using mate, & I wanted to show up in my menus,
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06:24.41tdnEqua, that might be what I need. However, it says Google Cloud Storage? Is that the same as Google Drive/Google Docs?
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06:25.24Equatdn: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Rsync_with_Google_Drive
06:25.27mi11k1What did you need? What about Dropbox?
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06:25.32Equatdn: it should work
06:25.58tdnEqua, it seems I will still need 2x space locally..
06:26.09tdnEqua, but I will try it.
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06:30.11mi11k1tdn: there is a Debs package called site copy, that does maybe what you need
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06:30.37mi11k1Oh, actually nevermind, I use that for a vps
06:31.34tdnmi11k1, that will copy to google drive?
06:31.53mi11k1No, sorry I made a mistake, I went through this a while ago myself
06:32.04mi11k1There is a 3rd party app but it's pay but it's really good
06:32.25mi11k1I just use Dropbox now,
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06:32.34rabbitear+1 dropbox
06:32.48mi11k1Yeah, it hasn't failed me yet and it's been years
06:33.03rabbitearI've been using it with slackware for years
06:33.27mi11k1I use it on Linux, Blackberry, Android,
06:33.33rabbiteardebian(s) work too
06:34.02rabbitearI don't like the Android client ... it seems like it needs full time internet connection on my tablet
06:34.19mi11k1I used ES File Explorer
06:34.22rabbitear^ but I just started using that one, .. maybe I don't know all about it yet
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06:34.52rabbitearwill have to make a note ...
06:35.01mi11k1<PROTECTED>
06:35.08mi11k1You can sync up to almost anything
06:35.16tdnmi11k1, I already pay for space at google. I would like to use that.
06:35.16mi11k1Including Google
06:35.30mi11k1Well if you using Android, ES File Explorer is good
06:35.37tdnmi11k1, I use debian.
06:35.52tdnAnd I need something for backup. So it'll need to work from command line scripts.
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06:36.24mi11k1is it webdav?
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06:37.04tdnI do not think so
06:37.12rabbitearI actually also few years ago was looking for good google drive stuff, but without success ... things change every day, just haven't really found anybody (or searched for) people doing that
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06:37.52rabbitear#gdata ?? the room ?
06:37.55mi11k1insync is pay
06:38.12mi11k1I don't know how much it is, but it seems to be a good solution
06:38.28tdnmi11k1, I have insync on some workstations. That will not work here though. This is for servers. There are no X on them.
06:38.51rabbitearprobably good to read the google-drive API too .... for hints
06:38.53mi11k1Oh, it is for headless, yeah I could use that too
06:39.06tdnmi11k1, this is for backup
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06:39.31tdnmi11k1, preferably, I would like to backup directly to google drive via duplicity.
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06:40.46rabbitearmy opinion: about the cloud, this is a reason to keep a plan b and c and d, etc
06:41.25rabbitearits dependent on somebody elses ideas on what they need money for
06:41.55tdnrabbitear, I already have my own backup that I run myselv on two sites.
06:42.10tdnrabbitear, but I want to utilize the space I already pay for with google apps.
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06:42.22mi11k1w what about grive?
06:42.54rabbitearI'm just saying, boo to the cloud, for being so volitile, to other peoples pockets
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06:44.02mi11k1Well, I just looked, and there seems to DFU opensource solutions
06:44.16mi11k1That weren't around last time I looked
06:44.36Chocolate_ChipI
06:44.52mi11k1Google is so huge, I bet you there is probably a million other people That want the same thing you do
06:44.59tdnDuplicati seems to be able to backup directly to google drive via duplicity..
06:45.05Chocolate_Chip<PROTECTED>
06:45.09mi11k1For some reason they're just stuck on that, I guess maybe for security reasons
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06:45.17Chocolate_ChipIt still did not recognize my dongle
06:46.02EquaChocolate_Chip: you can install debian and we can install the firmware afterward or use an unofficial installer with nonfree
06:46.28Equadpkg tell Chocolate_Chip about firmware netinst
06:46.45Chocolate_ChipI have the driver files
06:46.52Chocolate_ChipIs it possible to just plop them in
06:47.13mi11k1Yeah, does it ask you if you want to load them
06:47.27mi11k1Usually when I get that, its just for my wireless drivers
06:47.41Chocolate_Chipit doens't ask me at all
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06:48.00Chocolate_Chipit just detects my etwork hardware, and automatically tries my Eathernet
06:48.13mi11k1That's your best bet, just plug it in
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06:48.38mi11k1Then after install, edit your sources. List, and add non free
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06:49.34rabbitearthen 'update' source.lst
06:49.58mi11k1Or if it atheros or ralink and a few others there is separate packages for those
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06:50.40rabbitearactually search for the firmware "sudo apt-cache search 'firmware'"
06:50.49mi11k1Exactly
06:51.16rabbitearmeaning you can go wild with installing all the "cool kids" <- not a great thing to say .. firmwares
06:51.20rabbitear:)
06:51.36rabbitearthe open stuff is best .. to shoot for
06:52.41mi11k1Well only the cool kids use debian
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06:53.51mi11k1And Windows XP black, lol
06:54.03rabbitearlol come'on!
06:54.08rabbitearlol!!!!
06:54.16mi11k1As a VM of course
06:54.44rabbitearactually I have to .. go afk for awhile .. I should actually try that .. one .. sometime
06:54.49rabbitearjust for giggles
06:54.53rabbitearbbl
06:55.10mi11k1K see you later
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07:03.55stackhi, does anyone knows if it is possible to install php4 on wheezy?
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07:08.20Chocolate_ChipI have the link for the drivers and the source
07:08.29Chocolate_Chiphttp://www.edimax.com/edimax/download/download/data/edimax/global/download/for_home/wireless_adapters/wireless_adapters_n150/ew-7811un
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07:10.17Chocolate_ChipCan I ut these in the install CD?
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07:10.22EquaChocolate_Chip: that's not from debian. Install debian and we'll take care of it after
07:10.24Chocolate_ChipWith a simple copy and paste?
07:10.37Chocolate_ChipI can't without the drivers >.<
07:11.00EquaChocolate_Chip: what iso are you using?
07:11.19Chocolate_ChipLots
07:11.22EquaChocolate_Chip: just continue with the installation and we'll install the driver after
07:11.30Chocolate_ChipBut now I switched to the non-free hardware
07:11.39Chocolate_Chipit's just I need to use a dongle
07:11.53EquaChocolate_Chip: it's easier once you installed the system.
07:12.00Chocolate_Chipthat's the bottom line. I need to use a wlan dongle
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07:31.36k_sze[work]Is it possible to detect the stripe size of a RAID 5 volume? I have a Teratrend T432U USB 3.0 enclosure here, which supports hardware RAID 5, but the stripe size is not mentioned anywhere in the manuall.
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07:32.15mi11k1Don't you make this right size when you make the partition?
07:32.27mi11k1Stripe*
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07:39.25NablaFor those who were here yesterday talking about Firefox/Iceweasel: Mozilla now blocks all version of Flash Player by default because the flash is not safe and it contains too many vulnerabilities.
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07:40.48NablaIf you want , you can go on Marks Schmidt's twitter page to prove it.
07:42.40NablaAlso focuses on Hacking Team company in Italy.
07:42.51k_sze[work]mi11k1: no, I have no control over the stripe size. The enclosure has its one little LCD panel with menu buttons, and you would create the hardware RAID 5 using that.
07:43.17mi11k1Are the hard drives removable?
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07:43.38mi11k1How do you format the drives?
07:43.45k_sze[work]strangely enough, when I try to format it using `mkfs.xfs -b size=4k -s size=4k -d su=256k,sw=3 -L bla /dev/sdb1`, mkfs.xfs tells me 'Specified data stripe unit 512 is not the same as the volume stripe unit 8'
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07:44.12k_sze[work]I have no idea how mkfs.xfs figures out that the stripe size is 8 * 512-byte blocks.
07:44.47mi11k1Why don't you use raid software? Isn't there a special software to format RAID drives
07:44.49k_sze[work]I don't even know if I should trust mkfs.xfs on that.
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07:46.21k_sze[work]mi11k1: I *could* do software RAID using mdadm, I want to test the performance difference between software RAID and hardware RAID using the same enclosure.
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07:51.04mi11k1k_sze[work]: iozone3?
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07:52.37k_sze[work]maybe, but first I need to be sure I'm formatting to XFS with optimal parameters.
07:52.42k_sze[work]hence my question of stripe size.
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07:54.27k_sze[work]oops
07:54.32mi11k1I don't know anything about red, but it just makes sense to me that hardware RAID would be faster
07:54.47mi11k1raid*
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07:55.01k_sze[work]Like right now, according to atop, it's formatting at 2.5 MB/s
07:55.06k_sze[work]which is abyssmal
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07:55.15k_sze[work]that's in hardware RAID mode.
07:55.20mi11k1What kind of drives are they?
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07:56.16mi11k1I know everybody hates it, but Webmin has all kinds of raid utilities in it
07:56.37k_sze[work]Seagate ST4000VM000
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07:56.52k_sze[work]not the fastest disks out there, but it doesn't matter.
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07:57.12mi11k1Or I use a rescue OS called redo backup, and it has all kinds of disk utilities
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07:57.21k_sze[work]I have no problem achieving 200 MB/s using those disks in an Areca enclosure connected to an Adaptec RAID controller.
07:57.44mi11k1I don't know, I'm going to get me some solid state drives ASAP
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07:59.35k_sze[work]dd'ing to a single file is doing less than 5 MB/s, absolutely laughable.
07:59.41mi11k1How does that enclosure Connect?
07:59.46k_sze[work]USB 3.0
08:00.06mi11k1Yeah, that's horrible
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08:01.16relaxedk_sze[work]: try playing with bs=
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08:03.15mi11k1I'm going to see if my VM box is still turned on, I will try and do a benchmark
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08:04.18k_sze[work]yes, Jessie
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08:04.53Night_ElfDoesn't hw RAID depend on how fast the raid controller is, while sw RAID on how fast the main cpu is?
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08:05.57mi11k1I don't know, I just assume that hardware RAID Was the best, cause that's what Its for
08:06.15k_sze[work]This is what I see in dmesg: https://bpaste.net/show/33bf06eaaf41
08:07.14mi11k1It looks like it's not liking something
08:07.42Night_Elfmi11k1: I did that assumption too. I was wrong in a couple of cases. Hardware RAID is exactly that, the system call to write something transfers the something to the controller which then decides how and where to place it on the disks. Software RAID takes the something, does the calculation and decision making and in the end writes it in the disk which the kernel has decided where.
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08:08.06mi11k1Yeah, when you say it like that it makes perfect sense
08:08.52Night_ElfThe driver is important in hw RAID, while in sw RAID it just treats all disks normally in the hardware layer point of view.
08:08.57mi11k1It looks like its not recognizing your partition table
08:09.15mi11k1And what's with that line that says very big device?
08:09.22k_sze[work]there was no partition table when I first plugged it in. I ran parted to create the partition table.
08:09.35k_sze[work]because, 4 x 4TB in RAID 5 = 12 TB
08:10.52mi11k1I don't know, I didn't know parted did raid
08:11.05k_sze[work]parted doesn't care that it's RAID.
08:11.10k_sze[work]all it sees is a block device.
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08:12.55mi11k1I'm reading this right now, https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup
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08:14.16mi11k1I'm running this  iozone right now on mine in auto mode, I have no idea how long this is going to take
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08:15.26mi11k1Its just to 40 gig drives
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08:16.31Night_Elfmi11k1: All what the system sees is what the kernel sees. What the kernel sees is what the raid controller driver tells it that is out there.
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08:18.46Night_ElfI guess it might need tweaking of filesystem creation - formating - to match what the controller has underneath: stripe size parameters et.al. Otherwise some kind of translation/remapping will occur and things will be slower.
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08:19.02mi11k1All my stuff is old, I'm not a guy who cares much about performance, as long as it works. I just started to learn about  raid, only because I had a few identical drives
08:19.50mi11k1I'm using a  centrino right now
08:20.55Night_ElfMaybe you could try to get as much info as you can from the raid controller configuration menu regarding the raid volume. And with that information, see how to 'convert' them to mkfs parameters when creating the filesystem.
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08:22.35Night_ElfThere is a reason why good and serious server raid controllers may cost 800 EU. They basically have a cpu in it. And coolers.
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08:23.21Night_ElfIt may very well be a situation like the modems vs winmodems. So raid controllers vs winraid controllers.
08:23.24mi11k1No doubt, the machine on its own
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08:34.31CQ_hello, I need /etc/network/interfaces help... does auto eth0 automatically mean dhcp is involved?
08:35.53EquaCQ_: it just brings up the adapter. you need ifcae eth0 inet dhcp for dhcp
08:35.57monckyCQ_: no, it means that the interface is automatically put up at boot time
08:36.14Equa*iface eth0 inet dhcp
08:36.36CQ_iface eth1 inet static ...and then set the address, netmask and gateway
08:36.46CQ_that's what I did before, but my routing got screwed up
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08:36.56CQ_I have a debian vm (win7 host) that has 2 interfaces... one standard NAT and one host-only. If I only enable the NAT in the VM, tie VM runs fine. If I enable the host-only as well, the routes are messed up and I can't get out to the net. any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/282485/
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08:38.00CQ_...so why is the routing being messed up?
08:38.25monckyCQ_: what does your interfaces file look like?
08:39.14CQ_moncky: http://paste.debian.net/282488/
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08:40.34CQ_I'm letting whatever network manager runs handle eth0
08:40.46CQ_that's the outside interface, eth1 is the host-only
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08:42.36CQ_...but something is giving it the 0.0.0.0 default GW route which is wrong
08:42.47monckyIm not sure why your routing is getting messed up to be honest, but it doesn;t look like you have a default gateway
08:42.48Chocolate_Chipoh god. This made me chuckle
08:42.50Chocolate_Chiphttp://www.kevinandkell.com/2000/strips/kk20001203.jpg
08:43.13Chocolate_Chip>"Content. Why Napster doesn't work in Domain."
08:43.14monckydoes it work if you just add it with route add?
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08:45.26CQ_moncky: if I boot with the interface, then I need to delete routes, not add... but if I try to delete a route I get SIOCDELRT: No such process
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08:48.16CQ_moncky: http://superuser.com/questions/725935/default-route-in-debian-with-two-interfaces looks interesting
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08:51.02monckyCQ_: the problem occurs when you add in your eth1 interface righ?
08:51.17CQ_moncky: right
08:51.30CQ_the VM with just eth0 and lo is fine
08:51.48CQ_if I don't auto eth1 it's OK as well, but the interface is down
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08:53.02CQ_moncky: ok, got it to work... post-up route del default dev eth1 in interfaces does the trick
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08:54.05CQ_thanks for the help
08:54.34monckyCQ_: glad you got it sorted, though not sure how much help I actually was :)
08:54.45CQ_moncky: moral support :)
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09:14.56tdnEqua, I have now read up on gsutil rsync as you proposed earlier. However, I cannot see how I can use it to copy files i Google Drive. Can you please elaborate?
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09:15.08aelevadoano/
09:15.17aelevadoanhaving problems configuring wireless in a debian computer
09:15.21aelevadoanjust installed s.o
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09:27.06Equatdn: take a look. you can skip step 1 and go to step 2 of 3. http://westrealm.com/how-to-backup-your-linux-server-with-google-drive-step-1-of-3/
09:27.27Equatdn. neverm it uses grive
09:27.54SynrGaelevadoan: which chipset? please show the output of 'lspci -nn | grep -i wireless'
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09:36.51mi11k1aelevadoan: are you there?
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09:52.18someHumanHello!
09:52.39someHumanHow do I enable the keyboard short cut alt+left-click+drag-window?
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09:55.50someHumanI just installed Debian Jessie via the easiest way to install it - the little thingy on the Debian cover photo, I believe it's a netinstall?
09:56.35someHumanI think this might help, I ticked on the option of including GNOME packages in installation.
09:56.50someHumanSomeone told me this issue might have something to do with my DE.
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09:57.32someHumanThis is weird, I often use GNOME DE, and I think only in Debian did I experience having the alt+left-click+window-drag not work.
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09:58.30Night_ElfsomeHuman: What does that combination do by the way? alt + leftClick + windowdrag   ?
09:58.54Night_ElfsomeHuman: ah... it works for me. I have debian7 though
09:59.05brontosaurusrexsame one in openbox
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09:59.16someHumanNight_Elf: That's weird, why won't it work in 8?
09:59.19someHumanRemoved it?
09:59.23someHumanWhy? It's very useful.
09:59.40someHumanInstead of having to only move windows when clicking on the title bar.
09:59.49Night_ElfsomeHuman: Maybe. But I don't see a reason why.
10:00.17someHumanI know right.
10:00.42someHumanWah! Please could someone tell me how to get that short cut running again? :(
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10:04.15Night_ElfsomeHuman: Check here. It tells how to disable the thing, but you might find it useful to enable back.
10:04.17Night_Elfhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/118151/how-do-i-disable-window-move-with-alt-left-mouse-button-in-gnome-shell
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10:05.43syntroPiwhen using systemctl can i somehow omit this annoying "shell blocking" behaviour? e.g. when i type "systemctl status" it wound NOT capture me inside that annoying "less" or whatever that is and instead just print out what it got in console? Also that it ellipsises output is really annoying in my opinion
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10:07.30someHumanNight_Elf: Thanks!
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10:08.54someHumanAha
10:08.57aelevadoanSynrG: managed to do it :)
10:09.07someHumanNight_Elf: It is the <super> key lol
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10:10.20someHumanNight_Elf: Thanks a lot that really helped!
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10:10.59themillsyntroPi: have you looked at the man page by any chance?
10:11.43Night_ElfsomeHuman: You're welcome.
10:13.04someHumanNight_Elf: Dude! Sorry to bother you but backspace to go back one directory in Nautilus (I assume it's what Debian uses) does not work.
10:13.09someHumanHow do I go about this?
10:13.19someHumanIt's fine if you can't help, you've done enough already :)
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10:15.33Night_ElfsomeHuman: that's odd. Here it works. And I will mention again that I am on Debian 7.
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10:17.36Night_ElfsomeHuman: This.  https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/7641/how-do-i-set-the-backspace-key-to-work-in-nautilus-as-before/
10:17.37Night_Elflol
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10:21.27SynrGaelevadoan: managed to solve it? wifi ok now? good
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10:21.56yottanamiIs any ipsec/l2tp client application on debian repository?
10:22.42SynrGapt-cache search ipsec
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10:23.22SynrGditto for l2tp
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10:27.41vltHello. I installed Debian stable via debootstrap (on a wheezy machine).  Now I have only "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main" in my /etc/apt/sources.list file and /etc/issue says "Debian 8". Does that mean that I didn't/don't get any security updates? What line do I need to add to fix that?
10:28.05syntroPithemill, yes its enormous
10:28.44themillsyntroPi: and also detailed. The answer to your question is about 8 keystrokes away
10:29.15syntroPiwell what would i search for?
10:29.28themillellips? pager?
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10:29.41themill(exactly the terms you used in your question)
10:29.45vltWhat about "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main"? Is that sufficient?
10:29.54yottanamiI found openswan for using IPSec/l2tp vpn client but when I was to install it I got `Package openswan is not available, but is referred to by another package.`
10:30.01yottanamiHow should I install it?
10:30.38themilldpkg: tell vlt about jessie sources.list
10:31.02vltthemill: Thanks
10:31.03themillvlt: best to use release names rather than "stable". That saves you from accidentally breaking things later
10:31.10vltok
10:31.38Salto_Hello. I've got a VPS and a domain name. I want to setup a mail server. What would be the best software to do that ?
10:33.06vltSalto_: An SMTP or IMAP server?
10:33.27jubo2Salto_: I'd advice not to set up email self but let someone else do it
10:33.45jubo2Salto_: I'm just trying to save your time and effort
10:34.11jubo2most domain name providers provide MX servers and mailboxes free of charge to domain owners
10:34.37jubo2you can even keep your DNS elsewhere .. just use their MX server
10:34.55Salto_vlt: SMTP.
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10:35.42syntroPithemill, thanks "PAGER=cat systemctl --full <whatever>" seems to work as alias
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10:36.21vltSalto_: postfix or exim are SMTP servers. But, please, consider letting someone experienced set it up and watch, as jubo2 suggested.
10:36.25themillsyntroPi: you probably don't want to use cat as your PAGER for all commands -- there are simpler command-line options or systemd-specific environment variables you can use
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10:38.07Salto_vlt: Is that really this hard ? You're talking about it like if I'd wanted to install Gentoo.
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10:38.47vltSalto_: It’s a very responsible task.
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10:51.35Naphatulwhat's the default username/password set by debootstrap?
10:51.47SynrG?
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10:52.15SynrGdebootstrap doesn't
10:52.37Naphatuli'm trying to boot a container with systemd-nspawn and debootsrap for setting up the "os image"
10:52.51SynrGdebian-installer runs something called user-setup
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10:53.08DeaDSouL_Hi, what does 'ffffffffffffff' mean in the output of `taskset -p 123` .... ex: 'pid 123's current affinity mask: ffffffffffffff'
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10:53.16SynrGif you've just debootstrap'd, all you have is a bare chroot, no user in it at all
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10:53.41SynrGit's really minimal. you'll need to add more things to it if you want it to be usable
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10:54.50detergnetDeaDSouL_: man taskset
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11:04.21DeaDSouL_detergnet, it doesn
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11:04.30DeaDSouL_it doesn't show the 'ffffffffffffff' value
11:04.47detergnetDeaDSouL_: but it tells you what the value means
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11:05.51DeaDSouL_detergnet, ok... is there any way possible to force a particular app to use all cores ?
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11:06.40SynrGaffinity isn't what you imagine it to be, i think
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11:08.41DeaDSouL_SynrG, I'm just so disappointed .... i have 2x Intel Xeon E5-2697 V3 2.6GHz 14-Core Processor, Crucial 128GB (4 x 32GB) DDR4-2133 Memory, Samsung XP941 Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive, EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Video Card..... I thought it will be super fast... but.. it's not.....
11:09.50SynrGyou've misunderstood how cores work. it increases your ability to handle concurrent processes
11:09.56SynrGit does nothing to speed up a single process
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11:10.26NaphatulDeaDSouL_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
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11:10.38DeaDSouL_SynrG, yeah... well, it's too late now :(
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11:11.47SynrGsome things go much faster with multiple cores because they can partition the work across them
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11:12.04SynrGbut that takes deliberate effort in the design of the application.
11:14.14brontosaurusrexDeaDSouL_: it will definately excel with blender
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11:15.12DeaDSouL_brontosaurusrex, I know nothing about blender
11:15.53DeaDSouL_as far as I understand... the speed of the cpu matters more than cores at least for the time being... is that correct ?
11:16.10DeaDSouL_the cores amount *
11:16.17brontosaurusrexDeaDSouL_: also x264
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11:17.45DeaDSouL_brontosaurusrex, is there any list of the linux apps that support the multi-cores ?
11:18.32brontosaurusrexdunno, but this two can saturate the cpu (and blender gpu).
11:18.36purplePHi, I need help with sh script. I'm trying to start postgres db in docker container. I'm doing it like this
11:18.50purplePENTRYPOINT ["/docker-entrypoint.sh"]
11:19.00purplePCMD ["postgres"]
11:19.20purplePthat's the line I have problem with in sh script
11:19.21purplePsu postgres -c 'exec "$@"'
11:19.47purplePif you're not familiar with docker basically what this does is when container is runned this script would run
11:20.06detergnetDeaDSouL_: that $2700 CPU is beaten in raw performance of single threaded applications by the $70 Intel Pentium G3258 @ 3.20GHz and with 1/3 of the power usage; so yeah, unless you have software that can use those 14 cores, it's a pretty bad buy
11:20.19purplePand the argument to the scipt would be 'postgres' by default
11:20.33purplePI can't run postgres as root
11:20.46purplePso I need to run it as different user
11:20.54purplePhence su postgres -c
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11:21.30purplePbut this line doesn't give any output
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11:21.35DeaDSouL_detergnet, it cost me a lot more than that :(
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11:21.36woshtyIs there something in Jessie I can directly rip a CD to opus with?
11:21.57detergnetDeaDSouL_: ouch
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11:22.53brontosaurusrexDeaDSouL_: Id be happy to have that, if you are willing to exchange, I can give you my old asus eee notebook.
11:23.08DeaDSouL_its the worst purchase i ever made
11:23.23DeaDSouL_brontosaurusrex, loooooool ... sure :p
11:23.35brontosaurusrexDeaDSouL_: well, its portable ;)
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11:24.12at0m|cwoshty: apt show ripit
11:24.32DeaDSouL_brontosaurusrex, ok that's a good reason for exchanging ;p
11:24.46brontosaurusrexDeaDSouL_: arh, my mac only shows 24 threads (dual cpuer as well) ..
11:25.30DeaDSouL_mine shows 56 useless damn thing
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11:26.54someHumanHow do I only display the package I do apt-cache search on?
11:27.10someHumanI.e., if I do apt-cache search git, I only want to see 'git', as is.
11:27.32someHumanI find it especially annoying getting a lot of results when I did apt-cache search git.
11:27.41TheQuestionmarkDunno... but you could apt-cache search PACKAGE | less
11:28.16someHumanLol almost the same thing.
11:29.27DeaDSouL_someHuman, -n maybe ?
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11:30.25TheQuestionmarksomeHuman: Still better than being unable to scroll up.
11:30.31TheQuestionmarkThat's why I like | less.
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11:30.56someHumanTheQuestionmark: You could set scrolling ability in terminal to unlimited rows.
11:31.03someHuman'unlimited'
11:31.25someHumanDeaDSouL_: To which command is that?
11:31.35someHumanDeaDSouL_: apt-cache or less ?
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11:32.00EquasomeHuman: apt-cache search -n ^git
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11:33.12TheQuestionmarksomeHuman: Does that count for zsh too?
11:33.32DeaDSouL_someHuman, apt-cache -n search 'git' | grep '^git '
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11:44.34darxmurfflash stuffs are completly blocked under iceweasel now ?
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11:45.27miskatonicthere are several versions of flash. The built-in gnash can only handle the oldest one
11:45.29TheQuestionmarkBy default, starting with... v41, I guess?
11:45.52darxmurfhow can I turn back on this "warning bar" when there is a embedded flash file on a webpage ?
11:45.55TheQuestionmarkmiskatonic: You can expect him to talk about Adobe Flash.
11:46.18darxmurfAdobe Flash Player yes sorry
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11:46.45someHumanI don't see an option to change terminal title in Edit -> Preferences -> Shortcuts
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11:47.13at0m|csomeHuman: what terminal? xterm? konsole? gnome-terminal?
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11:58.43miskatonicAdobe have already stopped offering recent acrobat readers for free systems, so one should expect that its flash goes a similar way
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12:07.01TuplanollaI'm trying to install Debian and it says all mirrors fail even though I can open up a shell and ping any website.
12:07.11TuplanollaWhat's wrong?
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12:09.30at0m|cTuplanolla: can you pastebin your sources.list ?
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12:10.35TuplanollaI don't have /etc/apt yet.
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12:14.24jubo2I've got a Debian8.1 that doesn't have proper paths
12:14.49jubo2This is really newb question but how do I make reasonable paths
12:15.02darxmurfI have 2 soundcards, the one on the mainboard (intel PCH) and the one from my HDMI port. I want to force the intel as the main one, how can I do that ?
12:15.15jubo2like for apachectl I need to type 'sudo /usr/sbin/apachectl graceful'
12:15.16darxmurfI tried with an alsa.conf file but it's not working :-/
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12:17.04SuperTramp83darxmurf: try pavucontrol
12:17.31darxmurfI'm using alsa
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12:17.40TuplanollaThere's a line in /var/log/syslog, but it's not anything I didn't already know: Err http://trumpetti.atm.tut.fi stretch/main i384 Packages
12:17.45sonOfRajubo2: does it just not autocomplete apachectl, or does it not work with sudo?
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12:18.07jubo2sonOfRa: doesn't work with my normal account nor sudo
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12:18.27jubo2I need to say ./apachectl if I am in the /usr/sbin dir
12:18.37jubo2this amount of not having proper pathways
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12:20.18sonOfRajubo2: if you open your /etc/sudoers file, what does the line Defaults secure_path contain?
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12:21.32jubo2sonOfRa: "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
12:21.58jamesawagner3So I guess I'm installing Stretch from a netinst. The last successful weekly build is from mid-May.
12:22.30sonOfRaodd, that's the correct path
12:22.47sonOfRawhat's the output of just "sudo apachectl graceful"?
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12:23.26jubo2sonOfRa: I have to retract
12:23.28jubo2without 'sudo
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12:23.45jubo2without 'sudo' in front it doesn't find apachectl but with sudo it does find it
12:23.52sonOfRathat's normal.
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12:24.21BadCodSmellWhere can I find dma for wheezy?
12:24.36sonOfRa/sbin /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin that are for the root user
12:24.47sonOfRa*contain programs that are for the root user
12:25.13babilenBadCodSmell: Nowhere, you would have to backport it yourself.
12:25.21babilendpkg_: tell BadCodSmell -about ssb
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12:25.50BadCodSmellI want a really basic mta just for cron
12:26.02BadCodSmellexim/postfix/sendmail are all absolutely filthy
12:26.11BadCodSmellthey spit out logs everywhere, throw deamons at me, etc
12:26.26abrotmanBadCodSmell: There are quite a few in Debian already
12:26.28Chetichow can I apt-get install a package from a maintainer script? I know how stupid it sounds but I feel like it's justifiable in this very strange situation I'm in...
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12:26.39BadCodSmellBut what replaces dma?
12:26.51babilenBadCodSmell: Why would it need replacing?
12:26.55babilenjudd: v dma
12:26.56juddPackage: dma on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.2010.06.17-6; jessie: 0.9-1; sid: 0.9-1; stretch: 0.9-1
12:27.08BadCodSmellwheezy?
12:27.13abrotmannot  there
12:27.49BadCodSmellSo what sane mta can I use for wheezy?
12:27.51abrotmanwonders how many things they're mailing you if it's not actually doing email
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12:29.05darxmurfback
12:29.08darxmurfand solved
12:29.09abrotmanBadCodSmell: apt-cache search mail-transfer-agent
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12:29.40abrotman(or you could turn off mail messages in your syslog)
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12:34.14tdnHave anyone got 'drive' from github.com/odeke-em/drive to work on Debian? I am trying to run "go get -u github.com/odeke-em/drive/drive-google", but I get this error: http://paste.yt/p3504.html    I know almost nothing about golang, so I have no idea how to fix this.
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12:37.04BluesKajHiyas all
12:37.40jamesawagner3BluesKaj: Hey
12:37.45raufhi
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12:37.57BluesKajHi jamesawagner3
12:38.07BluesKajhi rauf
12:38.28TheQuestionmarkHi BluesKaj.
12:38.42BluesKajHi TheQuestionmark
12:39.02BluesKajwhat's up today ?
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12:39.47TheQuestionmarkBluesKaj: Nothing, I suppose.
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12:40.20jamesawagner3Got a new Mainboard and CPU, so I'm doing a reinstall.
12:40.47jamesawagner3Backing up the guts from ~, but the stuff from the / partition can burn.
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12:43.09BluesKajjamesawagner3, nice what brands?
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12:45.04jamesawagner3I'm cheap (, and Linux runs on a toaster) so it's just a $100 Gigabyte board, and a $120 AMD A8. Recent/powerful enough though.
12:45.34jamesawagner3It's going in a Compaq Presario case, currently running an Athlon64 with a SINGLE core.
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12:46.15BluesKajBoard and cpu that is...been thinking about that myself, but switching to an intel cpu this time, even the little i3 is vast improvement over the entry level amds
12:46.19jamesawagner3That "beast" made it from 2007 with 32bit debian, with nothing but a graphics upgrade in '09.
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12:47.00darxmurfjamesawagner3: and with a SSD basically any machine is fast now :)
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12:48.21jamesawagner3Yeah, I was going to switch an Intel system, but the price was too high. Still, it's going from 1 to 4 cores, and jumping over 6 years in GPU hardware.
12:48.24BluesKajthis a dual core amd 5200+ with 6G Ram and m-audio with nvidia 8400gs ...all inexpensive
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12:48.52pragomerHi... whats wrong about: for i in $(find . -type f); do ls -l "$i"; done     Has problems with "space character"
12:49.09BadCodSmellWhy is dma missing from wheezy?
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12:50.32jamesawagner3The card in the machine now is a GT9400 that I'm retiring. I got a Radeon HD6970 for free, so that's going in instead. Going from OpenGL 3.3 HW to OpenGL 4.4. Given my 10 year span between machine, I'm hoping to get another 10 years on this box.
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12:51.45themillpragomer: what are you trying to achieve with that command?
12:52.10jamesawagner3At this rate, I'll probably just weld a couple cases together for the next machine after this one. My pentium III-500 still gets booted yearly for poops and giggles. I think that one is running Squeeze.
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12:53.02pragomerthemill: its just theoretical.. instead of ls should run an own script
12:53.20jamesawagner3500 MHZ, but it'll play nethack, and run XFCE4. (GNOME 2 ran, but 3 was "interesting")
12:53.33pragomerthemill: but I cannot get this "simple version" with ls running when working with space in file- oder foldernames
12:53.41themillpragomer: then make find run the script
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12:54.30pragomerthemill: isnt it possible to get the output of $i WITH space in filenames?
12:55.08darxmurfpragomer: you have to use while
12:55.11themillpragomer: not using for; you could use -print0 and the while/read construct
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12:55.18darxmurfor use print0
12:55.25themillboth, in fact
12:55.38darxmurfor print0 and pass this to xargs -0
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12:56.12The_Photographergood morning
12:56.26The_PhotographerWhat repositorie I need add to jessie for install gnome?
12:56.47darxmurfit's in the main repo
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12:57.22darxmurfapt-cache show gnome
12:57.31The_Photographerpackage gnome-desktop-environment  has no installation candidate
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12:58.42darxmurfthe metapackage is "gnome"
12:58.50The_Photographerdarxmurf: I cant copy the message, its from another machine
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12:59.06darxmurfcopy what ?
12:59.11darxmurfapt-cache show gnome ?
12:59.15darxmurfso... type it :D
12:59.18The_Photographerdarxmurf: ok, the package is installing
12:59.31The_Photographeraptitude-install gnome
12:59.44darxmurfapt or aptitude as you like
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13:01.34pragomerthemill: why does a while only execute the first file found and the stops?
13:02.22themillit doesn't
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13:07.47darxmurfyou have to put your while after the find
13:07.50zh1iceweasel last version is on what number?
13:07.53darxmurffind .... | while read
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13:08.01nkuttler,v iceweasel
13:08.03juddPackage: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-2; sid: 38.1.0esr-3; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1;
13:08.04juddexperimental: 39.0-1
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13:08.28zh1thanks
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13:10.30no_gravityAre linux tools usually named with only lowercase letters or is it a good idea to call a tool MyNiceTool.sh?
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13:10.37detergnetwhat's the current recommended front end for installing packages? apt-get, aptitude or apt?
13:10.39zh1have her 39.0 if used 39.0-1 will it be recommended?
13:10.50themilldetergnet: any of them
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13:11.07zh1detergnet, any i guess, but apt-get is nice
13:11.15TheQuestionmarkno_gravity: It's always the lowercase for laziness.
13:12.04TheQuestionmarkIf you type alot on the CLI, you don't wanna move your fingers unnessary over to your keyboard's shift keys, just to autocomplete a filename.
13:12.12no_gravityok... hmm... so will i call it urldiff.sh or url-diff.sh?
13:12.19no_gravityguess urldiff.sh is nicer.
13:12.27themillno_gravity: why .sh ?
13:12.41no_gravitytells me its a shellscript
13:12.47themillis that relevant?
13:12.48nkuttlerTheQuestionmark: or you use a decent shell
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13:13.01no_gravitythemill: i like to see what type of file a file is
13:13.07TheQuestionmarknkuttler: I'm with zsh.
13:13.13CJKayHi guys, where can I report outdated documentation?
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13:13.17TheQuestionmarkPretty sure it could handle such things.
13:13.19CJKaySpecifically for this page https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup#Setting_up_an_LDAP_server_with_OpenLDAP
13:13.32nkuttlerCJKay: on a wiki? fix it?
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13:13.39themillno_gravity: you'll notice that nothing in /usr/bin comes with extensions. The language it is written in is not relevant to the person running the command.
13:13.56themill(and what happens when you realise doing it in shell was a mistake and rewrite it in python?)
13:14.05CJKaynkuttler: I would, but I'm not at all qualified to do so
13:14.14CJKayIt is a tutorial after all
13:14.19TheQuestionmarkThe CLI doesn't knows filename extensions anyway.
13:14.37nkuttlerthere is just a filename anyway. it can contain dots
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13:14.55TheQuestionmarkLike I could call a song title.png and it's still a flac.
13:15.59no_gravityTheQuestionmark: in the movie "the doors", the singer refused to change a word in a song... when the guitarrist argued "it's just a word!" he replied "ok, then i will call you asshole from now on. it's just a word too."
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13:16.36TheQuestionmarkThere was an interesting talk about this topic at the previous 31c3 as well, it showed how easy it was to manipulate files with obvious extentions to include files that'd execute in completely different tools.
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13:16.46jamesawagner3themill: Been there, done that, kicked myself for a day or two after.
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13:17.19no_gravityTheQuestionmark: guess what, i can call a file "dog.png" and put a pic of a cat inside. that doesn't mean we should do away with language alltogether.
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13:18.20themillno_gravity: your initial question was about convention; the convention is not to include irrelevant (and potentially problematic) details like ".sh" in the command name.
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13:20.33TheQuestionmarkno_gravity: Still extensions aren't necessary to let tools detect what data they're dealing with.
13:20.54no_gravityno
13:20.58no_gravitybut i like extensions
13:21.05TheQuestionmarkThat's your choice.
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13:21.18TheQuestionmarkIf you feel better with it, use them.
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13:21.36TheQuestionmarkFor CLI purposes tho, I wouldn't use uppercase letters.
13:21.37themillwhy bother asking what the convention is if you're going to ignore the answer?
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13:30.28jamesawagner3Anybody ever have wodim make a hockey puck. I still think the cdrecord debacle is childish and silly, but for the all fuss this guy made, I've never had wodim spit out a bad disc. I'm not doubting it's happened, I've just never had problems with it.
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13:32.31BluesKajjamesawagner3, wodim has always worked for me, even when k3b would fail wodim would work like a charm.
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13:34.35BluesKajok ,enough with crashes onkubuntu 15.10, back to debain ...brb
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13:36.59jamesawagner3Yet another successful wodim burn. IDK.
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13:37.58BluesKajok, back to stability :-)
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13:40.07BluesKajnot enamored with the new plasma 5 desktop, hope the devs keep the option for plasma 4 alive and well on debian
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13:43.15TheWardenHello
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13:44.09TheWardenI have the following systemd service unit file I've created for Urban Terror server. I had it starting but was working out the rest of the details. However now for some reason I can't even start the service yet if I run the ExecStart command manually it works.
13:44.12TheWardenhttps://gist.github.com/thewarden/55142219a706a32afda7
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13:44.37TheWardenI have no errors either showing in status or journal -u urbanterror.service
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13:45.35TheWardenDo I have something wrong within my service unit file? https://gist.github.com/thewarden/55142219a706a32afda7
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13:47.51ujjainhow can I see the dependencies of this package? ii  logstash                         1.4.2-1-2c0f5a1                   An extensible logging pipeline
13:47.52TheWardenI'm just asking from a systemd aspect... as I know how to manually start UrbanTerror and that would be out of the scope of this channel as well. I figured this would be easy to do but with no errors it makes it tough to figure out what I did wrong in the urbanterror.service file.
13:48.17Brigoujjain, apt-cache show package
13:48.38Brigoujjain,  apt-cache show logstash in this case
13:50.08BrigoTheWarden, nice game, UT. What are you using screen in the unit?
13:50.55TheWardenBrigo: That's how UrT is ran normally so I assumed I would have to do the same here.
13:51.22TheWardenBrigo: else when you start UrT manually you would be stuck within a session and not have it running in the background. Screen allows for that.
13:51.48BluesKajTheWarden,  have you run sudo systemctl enable "name of file" in the VT/TTY or the terminal, or is that relavent?
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13:52.36TheWardenBluesKaj: no I have not yet as I was testing it first to ensure everything was working properly.
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13:52.55BluesKajTheWarden,  ok understood
13:53.39ujjainthanks Brigo ! :)
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13:53.52Brigoujjain, yw :)
13:54.46BrigoTheWarden, try with /bin/sh intead of sh
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13:57.28someHumanGah!
13:57.33someHumanTor Browser is slow for me.
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13:57.51BrigosomeHuman, it is the problem of tor, it is slow.
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13:58.32BluesKajyup, tor is users with no money , but a lot of patience :-)
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13:58.37BluesKajfor
13:58.52someHumanBluesKaj: Probably true :)
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13:59.15Brigoor a lot of spare time :)
13:59.21someHumanBut with determination on privacy and the utopian mentality, we have Tor. A wonderful tool!
13:59.22someHuman:)
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14:01.07TheWardenBrigo: mm I tried that, no luck.
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14:01.30TheWardenIs there such a thing as systemd service blacklist? Maybe some how my service unit is being blacklisted or blocked?
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14:02.10BrigoTheWarden, i doubt it.
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14:02.43Brigoi think you have a problem in the execstart line.
14:02.46TheWardenBrigo: okay, just trying to figure out something as to why I'm not getting any error messages.
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14:03.19TheWardenBrigo: well normally I wouldn't disagree but if I copy and paste that line to run it manually it works perfectly.
14:03.28Brigowhat is the output of systemctl status urbanterror.service
14:03.49BrigoTheWarden, that could be because of the environmet variables, PATH, for example.
14:04.49TheWardenBrigo: it states its inactive (dead) and lists three errors however they are with a time/date that was long ago and I resolved those. No new ones have shown since.
14:05.01TheWardenBrigo: mmm
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14:09.04BrigoTheWarden, have you run systemctl daemon-reload after edit the unit file?
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14:40.38talbyHello. I am new to LINUX and DEBIAN and GNOME. Which is the channel to get some help with configuration of GNOME (the version which ships with jessie). I need to get the vertical scrollbars double as wide as they are now.
14:41.09Otyughtalby: #gnome ? :O
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14:41.16talbyI mean IRC channel, or room, or however I should call this correctly.
14:42.29Otyughtalby: everything you need is here, thought : https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC
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14:43.06Otyughthought, you can also be answered there #debian has quite a general purpose. Well, works for me at least. x)
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14:44.28talbyI actually like GNOME a lot. Really clean and straight forward (=productive) usage. I like it much more than WinXP/7 and of course Win8.1 . But if you really need to configure omething, it appears too difficult to find out where to do it. Where do I find that scrollbar width parameter being defined? I am experienced to edit configuration files, don't need a GUI access to that parameter.
14:45.04talbyJust would need to learn where I can find that parameter.
14:45.43jhutchins_wktalby: Gnome does not intend to allow you that level of customization.
14:45.57talbyYou are kidding, or?
14:46.09OtyughI'm pretty confident it is possible
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14:47.25jhutchins_wktalby: Gnome's philosophy in recent years has been "we know what's good for you" and "don't confuse the users with options".
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14:48.26Otyughtalby: you'd better go at the link I pointed, gnome community will have lesser trolls on the subject. I guess x)
14:51.34talbyYes, I'll do. Thanks for the link. Will stay connected to see after lunch if other comments came in, but won't be interactive for some 30 minutes. Thanks, so far! Best greetings from Spain. MM.
14:52.47detergnettalby: most likely you'll have to modify your gtk3 theme; check out /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css (replace adwaita with the theme you're using) for "-GtkRange-slider-width" in the ".scrollbar" css class; that should control the width of scrollbars in all gtk3 applications
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15:07.39x86_64hey all
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15:08.09x86_64i tried ¨dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration¨ to US-international but i cannot type dead keys, any tips?
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15:08.53x86_64im not using X too
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15:18.56jhutchins_wkx86_64: Dead keys are an Xorg feature.
15:19.08jhutchins_wkx86_64: I assume you're trying to compose a special character?
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15:24.51mindcookerI'm trying to insall nginx..but "apt-get show nginx" only show me 1.6xxx versions..Nginx last version is 1.9x
15:24.58mindcooker*install
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15:25.57CissWitthat's the version in the repository of stable indeed
15:26.04x86_64jhutchins_wk, i just want this layout for my ttys : http://dry.sailingissues.com/keyboard-US-International.png
15:26.35jaybemindcooker, consider using backporting and or consider the nginx repo packages (nginx.org)
15:26.35msrspis away: lunch time...
15:26.36CissWitmindcooker: you can use the backports
15:26.41jaybei prefer backporting
15:26.44CissWitversion 1.9.1-1 in backports
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15:29.03mindcookerI'm using deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ jessie nginx
15:29.18mindcookerwhat repo's should I use?
15:30.20jaybemindcooker, google:  "debian backport"
15:30.43jaybein general, i'd suggest you leverage the 'testing' repo as backport source
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15:32.48mindcookerjaybe, working.thanks
15:32.55jaybemindcooker, great; welcome
15:33.07CissWiti don't think it's a good idea to use the testing repo, either use the backports repository or recompile the package if needed
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16:00.58jhutchins_wkmindcooker: What do you need from 1.9 that you don't think 1.6 has?
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16:06.24BadCodSmellwhen I boot debian I get a weird bar across the bottom like in centos
16:06.31BadCodSmellhow do I get it to just output the text as normal?
16:07.38icjsCissWit, another option is to check if an updated package has been done in the mepis repos
16:07.58icjsBadCodSmell, press escape
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16:18.33CissWiticjs: how is considering a non debian package an option on #debian on freenode ?
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16:21.20icjsCissWit, i see nothing wrong with it if you really need a newer version and it's not in backports - i've done this successfully with wine
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16:22.05jaybei see nothing wrong with leveraging a third party debian package written for debian to fill a need
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16:22.26jaybein fact, i think that's awesome. although, i prefer the way debian packages nginx, and use the backport
16:22.56mtnhttps://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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16:23.41icjsCissWit, the only issue with it is that i'm advocating a package thats been produced outside of debian ecosystem which could entail security/stability concerns, i should have mentioend that so here it is <=
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16:26.43TheWardenBrigo: yes
16:26.48icjsCissWit, if i really need a newer version of something i normally grab the sauce from upstream and compile myself, but thats fine for vim but others things might be a big pain to compile, like wine etc
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16:29.02fenneszHello guys ! When I run nvidia-smi I get : NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.Is there any workaround for this ?
16:29.26CissWityou see nothing wrong but those packages are *not* from debian and you don't have any quality assurance. It's a completly other distribution
16:29.59fenneszI have installed the latest nvidia driver from this
16:30.01fenneszhttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
16:30.03CissWitdotdeb provides newer packages too but they really sucked in the past and did some very bad packages that can be a real pain to delete from your system
16:30.22rabbitearlinux from scratch is quality assurance only
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16:31.00rabbitearthen you make your own distro, and make sure everybody else keeps up the quality for assurance
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16:36.17feneco_to install a debian package, i just have to click with right button on the .deb file and open with package installer, right?
16:36.42amcorreiadpkg -i package.deb
16:36.42dpkg_package package.deb is already installed
16:37.10feneco_but i mean, from GUI
16:37.16feneco_that's how it should work, right?
16:37.20amcorreianever used ;)
16:37.33amcorreiaI think so
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16:38.36mtnfeneco_, yes, it works that way
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16:39.50feneco_tanks
16:41.36monstercoI am getting this error while trying to bring up networking: Starting networking (via systemctl): networking.serviceFailed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
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16:41.39monstercowhat does it mean?
16:42.08hetOrakelhi all, i realy don't know where to look. Searched every place on the www. So i'll give it a try in here. I know this is probably not the right place, but point me in the direction please. The problem is: i want to try to manually connect to an imap server at google ( This worked in the past. ) after the connection has been set up the server responds to nothing. I use this simple line: openssl s_client
16:42.14hetOrakel-connect imap.gmail.com:993
16:42.40hetOrakelhmmm, my message got clipped: the command line is:  openssl s_client -CAfile certs.crt -connect imap.gmail.com:993
16:43.58jayberelated to debian, how? contact google?
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16:44.28hetOrakeli told, i know it is the wrong place. My system is debian ;) .. contact google: LOL
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16:46.49jaybeit should not be surprising, at all, if google yanked yet another functionality provided and promised to the planet, without notice or a care
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16:47.04seonerhi
16:47.07seoner1678 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/run/saslauthd - 1679 ?        S      0:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -a pam -c -m /var/run/saslauthd
16:47.12jaybeand/or 'changed it' a bit to take it from usable to proprietary/not-working
16:47.12seonerhow do i remove this?
16:47.26jaybekill 1678 ?
16:47.50seonerjaybe how do i uninstall it?
16:47.58icjshetOrakel, maybe try the openssl user support list here http://marc.info/?l=openssl-users
16:48.00jaybeuninstall, ... what?
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16:48.21seonerjaybe pem
16:48.38jaybewtf is 'pem', aside from a certificate format
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16:49.31icjshetOrakel, theres a search box there, maybe try searching there (or in a search engine) - with your command
16:50.03jaybeseoner, https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=saslauthd&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386
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16:52.11hetOrakelthank, will take a look there
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16:59.53BadCodSmellI tell apt to remove a bunch of packages
16:59.58BadCodSmellthen it turns around and says, fine
17:00.08BadCodSmellremove those packages, see if i care
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17:00.22BadCodSmellby the say, I'm installing 100 packages related to mono, for no reason
17:00.28BadCodSmellHow do I make apt see reason?
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17:08.54monstercoWhat is a simple config for starting Debian container network? I am having trouble getting the config file for interfaces - I am running Debian 7 as a container inside a virtual environment
17:09.22monstercoI want my container to obtain 192.168.50.13 and 255.255.255.0 with gateway 192.168.50.1
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17:13.15nkuttlerBadCodSmell: command + output? /msg dpkg paste
17:13.28nkuttlermsrsp: please turn that script off
17:13.48nkuttlermonsterco: not sure what you're asking. man 5 interfaces? or configure your dhcpd?
17:14.32monsterconkuttler - I have used this and I can obtain DHCP:   auto eth0
17:14.32monstercoiface eth0 inet dhcp
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17:14.37monstercobut I can't resolve google.com for example
17:15.02nkuttlermonsterco: check your /etc/resolv.conf for nameservers, see if you can ping them
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17:16.08monstercoI restarted the container and it all started working
17:16.14monsterconow I have to put this to static from dhcp
17:16.18monstercowhat are the lines I should add?
17:16.23nkuttlersame file
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17:24.07factorHow do I set the password of a mysql database after install on debian.
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17:31.06seonerhi
17:31.07seonerhow do i download a file from my server?
17:32.01SynrGscp or sftp
17:32.07amcorreiascp/winscp/ftp/sftp/http/https/rsync
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17:32.27SynrGif it's a vps with ssh access, and you like an ftp-ish interface, try sftp my.server.address
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17:33.02SynrG(or s/vps/any kind of server/, but your question makes me suspect vps)
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17:39.35nkuttlerfactor: check the mysql docs for forgotten password
17:39.41monstercohow can I get SSH server running on my Debian 7? I have tried service ssh start but when I try to connect from outside it doesn't connect at all
17:40.10nkuttlermonsterco: is openssh-server installed?
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17:40.52monsterconkuttler - yes
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17:41.33SynrGmonsterco: can you connect from the host to itself? (ssh localhost)?
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17:41.57monstercono response either
17:42.11nkuttlermonsterco: check /var/log/auth.log, if sshd is running, and it's config file
17:42.31SynrGmonsterco: by 'no response' you mean what, exactly?
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17:42.40proformonsterco: what "ss -tupan | grep ssh" (without quotes) says?
17:42.45monsterco<PROTECTED>
17:43.05monstercotcp    LISTEN     0      0                      *:22                    *:*      users:(("sshd",1432,4))
17:43.20monstercotcp    LISTEN     0      0                     :::22                   :::*      users:(("sshd",1432,3))
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17:43.55proformonsterco: and do you have allowed access in iptables?
17:44.22monstercoprofor - I want iptables stopped for now but this is a fresh install ; how can I stop it?
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17:45.23SynrGmonsterco: something's funky with your container's environment. does it not have its own IP#?
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17:45.47SynrGmonsterco: obviously binding to 22 isn't going to work if you're just in a chroot on a host with its own sshd
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17:46.12SynrGnot without additional measures to set up an interface and routes specific to the container
17:46.15proformonsterco: add just one rule: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
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17:52.15wired1Is it possible to do policy based routing on loopback interface?
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17:55.23proformonsterco: but nkuttler is right - could you put your sshd_config into pastebin?
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17:56.37monstercoiptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
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17:57.45monstercohttp://pastebin.com/j13SqKrw
17:57.51monstercomaybe I am missing my loopback interface?
17:58.16monstercoprofor - SynrG - nkuttler ^^^ there, pastebin
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17:59.07SynrGmonsterco: is that ifconfig inside the container? if so, is that an IP# unique to the container?
17:59.14monstercoyes
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17:59.34SynrGah, you bind to 0.0.0.0 by default ...
17:59.36monstercoyes, it's no used for anything else
17:59.43SynrGmonsterco: probably want to bind to your specific ip# instead.
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18:00.38monstercoSynrG - I don't know - this is a fresh install of Debian 7 as a container
18:00.42SynrGmonsterco: i dunno. i don't do containers. but i think both the container and the host both can't bind to 0.0.0.0:22 at once :)
18:00.49SynrGi mean, think about it
18:00.51SynrGlogically
18:00.56monstercoSSHD works right out of box on Redhat and CentOS so I am not familiar with this stuff
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18:01.27SynrGand the errors you pasted before seem to suggest that sort of conflict
18:02.04monstercoSynrG - so which line should I change?
18:02.06jaybeyou'll need to choose an alternate port for one of the bindings
18:02.26monstercowhy is something else using port 22?
18:02.31SynrGi.e. see the ipv6 and ipv4 ListenAddress defaults (commented out) at lines 24 and 25, respectively, of your paste. uncomment those and bind to the ipv6 / ipv4 addresses of your container instead, i guess.
18:02.41SynrGmonsterco: well, your host does, doesn't it?
18:02.50SynrGi assume your host has an sshd
18:03.09monstercoSynrG - it doesn't on CentOS - I use port 22 to connect to CentOS containers on same host
18:03.16SynrGcontainers aren't like virtual machines, as i understand it
18:03.24monstercobut that's on the mothernode - totally different from container
18:03.53monstercoThe listenaddress are commented out
18:03.56SynrGif it's just a big chroot on steroids, it may share the interface in common. if not, forget about it.
18:04.11SynrGyes? so? that indicates the default values
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18:04.40SynrGi.e. if not set in this file, the values shown in comments are the ones that are used by default.
18:05.14SynrGbut you would have to point me at docs for the container technology you use (or search them yourself) to check my assumption that the host and container would share the host's interface.
18:05.26SynrGbecause my proposed solution is based on that assumption
18:05.56monstercoI can't ping 127.0.0.1 - there is a prob in my networking
18:06.29monstercoSynerG - I meant I am not binding to 0.0.0.0 like you said
18:06.44SynrGno, you're not, because it doesn't even get that far
18:06.45SynrGit dies
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18:06.57SynrG<monsterco>  error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
18:07.02SynrG*you* said this ...
18:07.12SynrGi.e. the container was *trying* to bind to 0.0.0.0 by default
18:07.17monstercotcp        0      0 192.168.40.15:22        0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2025/sshd
18:07.37SynrGis that on the host or in the container?
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18:07.48monstercocontainer
18:07.57monstercoall my info is from container
18:07.59SynrGthen what's throwing that error?
18:08.11monstercotelnet 192.168.40.15 22   and no response
18:08.20monstercoI think this has to do with the fact that I can't even ping 127.0.0.1 ???
18:08.42SynrGdunno. and don't have the time to take it further. got a meeting
18:09.23SynrGso you didn't start networking inside the container at all?
18:09.31SynrGdo you have an /etc/network/interfaces?
18:09.37SynrGok. time's up. seeya
18:09.40SynrGgoo luck!
18:09.42SynrGgood*
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18:12.08jaybeyour networking is clearly jacked if you're not reaching localhost ;p
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18:13.15unbornhello guys.. i have really idiotic question.. in debian net install if I choose only system and ssh when installing.. iptables are installed or not? Thanks
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18:13.29proformonsterco: add lo into your /etc/network/interfaces file
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18:13.39jaybeunborn, check?  if not, install it
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18:14.48unbornjaybe, I am just setting stand-alone pptpd server.. the question is do I have to mess with iptables or not? there will be nothing else installed and ssh will be accessible only on local network..
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18:15.12jaybeif you need iptables... ?
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18:16.06unbornjaybe, no I dont.. I am asking if they are default in debian naked system
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18:16.10unbornthats all..
18:16.34jaybedepends on what you mean by naked. doing a minimal `debootstrap`?
18:16.51jhutchins_wkunborn: They're not enabled by default.
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18:17.10unbornjaybe, minimal net install .. just system and ssh and pptpd nothing else
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18:17.40jhutchins_wkunborn: dpkg -l iptables
18:19.06Brigounborn, iptables will be installed but not configured, iirc.
18:19.46OerHeksempty rules indeed.
18:19.48jhutchins_wkOr, you know, don't worry if we recall correctly and check for yourself.
18:19.57jaybei'd do the work. do your install. iptables there? oh - i'll remove it. next.
18:20.22jaybes/remove/use/
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18:21.42jhutchins_wkc'mon, somebody break something, I'm bored.
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18:24.25cdragebreaks a vase
18:25.15monstercoprofor like : iface lo inet loopback
18:25.16monsterco?
18:25.30monstercocurrently, I have these three lines: auto eth0
18:25.30monstercoiface lo inet loopback
18:25.30monstercoiface eth0 inet dhcp
18:25.57unbornah okay so that means I will have to setup it mama mia
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18:26.27unbornjhutchins_wk, is there any way to remove iptables from system?
18:26.44Brigounborn, yes, remove the kernel
18:26.55unbornor at least completely disable
18:27.01Brigoor recompile it without netfilter support.
18:27.02unbornso each boot will not turn them on
18:27.04unborn?
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18:27.53Brigounborn, by default firewall rules are empty.
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18:28.35unbornBrigo, that means passing new ips and forwarding on ports will not work without rules right?
18:28.40proformonsterco: yes... I have on virtual (kvm) "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
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18:29.00OerHeksunborn, without rules in IPtables, what is your issue? check the rules with: iptables -L
18:29.11Brigounborn, that's the default behaviour.
18:29.23OerHekshttps://wiki.debian.org/iptables
18:29.50unbornBrigo, was thinking about it.. so how about /etc/init.d/firestarter stop
18:29.59unbornwill that work for me?
18:30.24Brigoit's the first time you name firestarter.
18:30.46Brigo,v firestarter
18:30.47juddPackage: firestarter on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.3-8; wheezy: 1.0.3-11
18:30.53unbornBrigo, I mean /etc/init.d/iptables stop
18:30.55unbornsorry heh
18:31.15Brigounborn, i think there is not such script.
18:31.18unbornI would just like to turn iptables completely off
18:31.32Brigoyou should make as OerHeks told you.
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18:32.11JoeSchmoeHello. I am a complete newbie to Linux. If I wanted to learn about those Linux concepts and how to use a distro like Debian, what would be the best place to look? I am a web developer and I have googled for resources for learning these new concepts, but I wanted to hear any personal recommendations from any of you who are already proficient at it.
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18:32.40BrigoJoeSchmoe, debian administration guide, i would say.
18:32.58Brigoor https://debian-handbook.info
18:32.59JoeSchmoeI didn't want to stumble over objectively bad tutorials or guides, or ones that teach what's known as bad practices, so that's why I'm asking.
18:33.09JoeSchmoeThanks, Brigo!
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18:33.24BrigoJoeSchmoe, yw :)
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18:34.20JoeSchmoeI mainly work with PHP/MySQL applications on the company's internal webserver, which runs Debian. But I have little knowledge about how that OS works.
18:35.06WangDang_JoeSchmoe: https://www.debian.org/doc/
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18:35.13BrigoJoeSchmoe, then that's for you.
18:35.15JoeSchmoeMy boss asked me to take time to educate myself on it because I may take on a more significant role in our development.
18:35.20NoImNotNineVoltJoeSchmoe: fire up a debian vm at home. play with it.
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18:35.39JoeSchmoeYeah, I'm going to set up a debian vm.
18:35.48NoImNotNineVolttry to recreate your employer's setup to whatever extent is reasonable.
18:35.54rainfyreJoeSchmoe: I'm almost envious of the coolness that you're about to delve into
18:35.58JoeSchmoeAlthough VMs are sort of new to me too :)
18:36.11NoImNotNineVoltthat part is self-explanatory.
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18:36.14NoImNotNineVoltyou'll see :)
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18:36.25JoeSchmoeNoImNotNineVolt, I can get a clone of the existing setup if I wanted to.
18:36.35NoImNotNineVoltyou won't learn as much that way.
18:36.36WangDang_JoeSchmoe: I'm with rainfyre, have fun!
18:36.46JoeSchmoeI know, but I'm telling you I could.
18:36.48Brigome too
18:36.57JoeSchmoeI won't until I've played around with Debian for a bit.
18:37.08NoImNotNineVoltthat would be my recommendation.
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18:37.18qwerkhi, ive some trouble with nfs and uid. i mount an folder with nfs and with user root all works. on the client the uid is 1000 and gid 1001. but the user mopidy 108 cant access the folder, how can i fix this?
18:37.27JoeSchmoeI appreciate everyone's recommendations very much!
18:37.31JoeSchmoeThank you!
18:37.50NoImNotNineVoltyou're welcome, and good luck.
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18:38.14JoeSchmoeI may stick around, so I hope it's all right if I ask the occasional nubbish question. I'll try not to be irritating :)
18:39.36rainfyreJoeSchmoe, we all learn when people ask questions
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18:40.05JoeSchmoeI might have to ask a nubbish question right now. Which vm software should I look into for a first-timer if I'm not prepared to pay anything yet?
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18:40.16rainfyrevirtualbox
18:40.34JoeSchmoeGotcha. Thanks much!
18:40.35NoImNotNineVoltagreed.
18:41.12rainfyreanytime! welcome to a volunteer supported OS :)
18:41.47NoImNotNineVoltdepending on what you hope to learn, i'd say consider installing debian server and not messing with the graphical interface.
18:42.06JoeSchmoeSoooo, should I introduce myself properly or does anyone have any questions for me or what? :O
18:42.21rainfyrelol
18:42.32JoeSchmoeCause if I might stick around, I'd like to know at least a couple people by name/reputation
18:43.15NoImNotNineVoltshrugs
18:43.32NoImNotNineVolti've been idling here for months and i can't think of any particularly notable contributors.
18:43.57NoImNotNineVoltalso, there's a #debian-offtopic for conversation not directly related to debian :)
18:44.08JoeSchmoeRight, of course there is.
18:44.26qwerkokay, i ll try to explain the question. how can user xyz with id 123 access an nfs mount with id 1000?
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19:07.01churndi'im trying to compile nginx on debian 8.1 & use a standard systemd units file from the nginx website
19:07.06churndit's hanging on start
19:07.18churndbut runs fine manually
19:07.38NoImNotNineVoltare you running it the same?
19:07.52NoImNotNineVoltby manually, do you mean you're copypasting the ExecStart line from the service defitinion?
19:07.57churndyes
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19:08.12NoImNotNineVoltthat's odd.
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19:08.43churndrelevant pastie  http://pastie.org/10295121
19:09.43churndbut i notice if installing the nginx from the stable apt repos, it installs a systemd units file along with a sysvinit script
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19:12.52churndso i don't know if they depend on each other
19:17.12BadCodSmellI'm removing hundreds of packages from a debian wheezy machine
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19:17.14churndunit file:  http://pastie.org/10295136
19:17.25BadCodSmellBut not it want's to install mono
19:17.25SuperTramp83apparmor is initialized and works but aa-status gives the output: apparmor module is loaded.
19:17.25SuperTramp83You do not have enough privilege to read the profile set.
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19:17.27BadCodSmellnow*
19:17.31BadCodSmellWhat is this feature?
19:17.43jhutchins_wkunborn: What is your goal in turning iptables off?
19:17.43SuperTramp83wtf?
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19:18.02BadCodSmellInstead of realising for example I want to remove X, it's thinking I want to remove X1, and replace it with the alternative X2
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19:18.22BadCodSmellHow can I disable it and restore package management to sanity so that it actually does what I ask it to do?
19:18.36unbornjhutchins_wk, to not messing around with it.. I am setting up simple pptpd box with two ports only open
19:18.58unbornwith iptables I will have to go around with all configuration heh
19:19.19jhutchins_wkunborn: By default it's installed, but the rules are empty (so it wouldn't do anything), and it doesn't run at startup anyway.
19:19.46jhutchins_wkunborn: No, by default it will allow your connections.
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19:20.14jhutchins_wkunborn: You should have a firewall on your router.
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19:20.36unbornjhutchins_wk, I am hoping so that will be the case.. but I got feeling if there is no rules setup it will not forward ips and traffic
19:20.45unbornyeah I have it there :)
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19:21.06unbornthats why I dont want iptables involved heh
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19:24.13jhutchins_wkunborn: You should be fine then.
19:24.46unbornjhutchins_wk, thank you.. will see this in few minutes
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19:27.09BadCodSmellHow can I tell apt remove to ignore packages it can't look up and to not install alternatives in place of removed packages?
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19:39.06someHumanHow do I kill all instances of Nautilus?
19:39.10BadCodSmellWhen I try to apt-get remove postfix, it removes it but then installs exim
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19:39.16BadCodSmellkillall nautilus
19:39.24greycatBadCodSmell: install the MTA that you want instead.
19:39.29BadCodSmellAlthough it's process name is probably something different
19:39.30someHumanI keep on trying to call Nautilus but it doesn't pop up/show.
19:39.34someHumanI'm sure it is running.
19:39.37BadCodSmellI want no mta and it's not only this package doing it
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19:39.56greycatBadCodSmell: then install equivs, make a fake MTA package, and install THAT.  But I do not recommend this unless you are installing an MTA that isn't packaged.
19:39.57someHumanThis bruncol is PM'ing me with probably a phishing link.
19:40.00someHumanPlease ban him?
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19:40.06BadCodSmellMe too
19:40.10BadCodSmellIt's a porn link
19:40.13someHumanlol
19:40.16BadCodSmellYou can tell because it has cam in it
19:40.20someHumanIs it legit?
19:40.25BadCodSmellObviously not
19:40.30BadCodSmell*cam* anything = porn spam
19:40.52someHumanWell that might be true. Not that I'm against you or anyone's side but not every link that has a cam in it is porn :)
19:40.59someHumanThat just might help :)
19:41.08someHumanBadCodSmell: :)
19:41.16BadCodSmellIf someone is randomly PMing you, it probably is
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19:41.24BadCodSmellIf you'#re unsort wget -O - it or open it in nc
19:42.14someHumanBadCodSmell: What did you last say?
19:42.27greycats/unsort/unsure/
19:42.36someHumanBadCodSmell: Does that have something to do with me? Sorry I just got home, tired.
19:42.47someHumanBadCodSmell: nc?
19:42.49BadCodSmellecho -e 'GET http://url HTTP/1.0\r\nHost: host.es\r\nConnection: close\r\nAccept: *.*\r\n\r\n' | nc host 80
19:42.56someHumanAh
19:42.58BadCodSmellSomething like that
19:43.07greycatIt's not worth the effort.  Just assume it's undesirable, because you were spammed with it.
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19:43.37BadCodSmellMaybe if I try apt with -v I'll find the parent that's causing it to piddle around with alternatives
19:43.53someHumangreycat: Yeah I wouldn't check it out anyway ::p
19:43.56someHuman:p *
19:44.27someHumanHow do I enable the keyboard shortcut 'backspace' so I could go back a directory in Nautilus?
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19:46.23BadCodSmell"The following extra packages will be installed:"
19:46.28BadCodSmellHow can I find out why?
19:47.49greycatbecause of dependencies
19:47.59BadCodSmellBut it wont tell me which ones
19:48.01BadCodSmellI'm removing
19:48.04rainfyrerun aptitude
19:48.05BadCodSmellI want dependencies to go too
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19:48.20rainfyreit will tell you what it's going to install, what it's going to remove, and you can examint changelogs
19:48.26rainfyre*examine
19:48.29greycatIf you are trying to use an unpackaged MTA, install equivs, make an mta_local package (there is an example in the equivs documentation SPECIFICALLY for this use case), and install that to provide the thing that'll make it let you remove exim.
19:48.39BadCodSmellCan't I just tell it to remove dependees instead?
19:48.43greycatNo.
19:48.46BadCodSmellI mean it's behaving like I've put -f
19:48.56BadCodSmellIsn't that a poor design choice? Trying to be too clever...
19:49.01greycatYou have to have an MTA.   A unix box without one doesn't function properly.
19:49.11rainfyreBadCodSmell: what package manager are you using?
19:49.16BadCodSmellRemove should mean remove unless absolutely necessary and if necessary to counter add it should make very clear why
19:49.17greycatcrontab needs it to deliver job notifications.
19:49.23BadCodSmellapt-get
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19:49.54rainfyreyou might enjoy playing with aptitude's dependency figure-outer
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19:50.07BadCodSmellgreycat: it let me completely remove the mta before, all that happens is cron says no mta, bailing on giving you the output
19:50.11greycatOr just stop trying to break things, and start figuring out how to make them work.
19:50.37churndfigured my problem out... systemd tries to put pid file in /run/nginx.pid but nginx compiles with it wanting to be in $pwd/logs/nginx.pid by default
19:50.48churndso needed to add pid directive in nginx.conf
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19:58.36someHumanHow do I take a customizable screen shot in Debian?
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19:58.55greycattake a screen shot, then manipulate it afterward
19:58.57someHumanOften, I do it in Trisquel like this: shift+print screen
19:59.15someHumangreycat: Screw that, my method in Trisquel should work :)
19:59.24rainfyresomeHuman: depends on your DE, in xfce I use xfce4-screenshooter
19:59.26someHumanAfter all that's indirectly Debian-based.
19:59.29greycatI don't even know what a Trisquel is.
19:59.31someHumanI use GNOME.
19:59.34bwmakersomeHuman: If you're not averse to installing a tool, I use Shutter for that.
19:59.39someHumangreycat: trisquel.info
19:59.52greycatSo something I don't need to know about.  Right.
19:59.56rainfyresooooooooo many ways to accomplish something
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20:00.06someHumanrainfyre: :)
20:00.17someHumanrainfyre: Lazy to do his homework :P
20:00.22someHumanSorry for being a bother :p
20:00.31rainfyresomeHuman: heh well sometimes it's quicker than googling
20:00.31greycatIf your window manager/desktop environment doesn't do anything with the printscreen key already, you could always map it to scrot or whatever.
20:00.55rainfyre^^
20:01.13SuperTramp83Why the output of aa-status gives me: apparmor module is loaded. You do not have enough privilege to read the profile set ???
20:01.17SuperTramp83Anyone?
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20:06.19surfhi guys I have a machine with deb 8 but messed up repositories (they were set to testing) and now after an upgrade whenever I close the lid the system goes to standby and on wake up it's impossible to login again, I insert the pass and nothing happens. any idea where to look for the bug?
20:06.51someHumangreycat: Map it to scrotum
20:06.52someHuman? *
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20:07.06greycat,info scrot
20:07.07juddPackage scrot (graphics, optional) in jessie/amd64: command line screen capture utility. Version: 0.8-13; Size: 18.9k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/scrot; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/scrot
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20:09.59someHumanThanks guys!
20:10.03someHumanGotta go
20:10.08someHumanCatch ya laterzzzz
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20:14.50WangDang_the link "http://freshmeat.net/projects/scrot" in judd's above reply to ",info scrot" leads to a 404 error on freecode.com...
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20:15.14surfand btw the debian_version says: stretch/sid... any way to get back to stable? :/
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20:16.58mtnsurf, yup, reinstall
20:17.30greycator wait ~2 years for stretch to be released
20:17.49rainfyresurf: yep. mixed repos. you're broken
20:18.36surfcool! Now since I can't reinstall on this machine for the moment, what's the best way to stay "calm"? Which repo should I use?
20:18.40rainfyresurf: or fully dist-upgrade to testing and start fixing stuff
20:18.46WangDang_...does so because of the trailing semi-colon
20:19.05tootheHi all! I just got debian installed. I noticed that my wifi card was not detected. I know which driver it is. Is there a way to have it automatically detected?
20:19.11toothealong with other random hardware tha tI have?
20:19.12mtnrainfyre, if using sid it says stretch/sid in the tty
20:19.20rainfyreoh boy
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20:19.47surfrainfyre, ok so set the repo to testing, dist-upgrade and then follow with the upgrades?
20:19.48greycatif he points to testing now, eventually it'll settle on stretch, once enough things from sid move into testing
20:20.14mtntoothe, check out the debian wiki for things like wifi, video, etc.
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20:21.15surfbut when did stretch appear? I knew there was wheezy jessie and sid once upon a time...
20:21.29toothethis is interesting, I'm semi clueless how to use my own system lol. I just went from Mint to Debian.
20:21.33greycat!stretch
20:21.34dpkg_The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
20:21.58tootheteclo-: which particular page?
20:22.01surfgreycat, I see. So should I stick with testing now?
20:22.05tootheerr, mtn: Which particular page?
20:22.16surfand hope this bug gets fixed/file it?
20:22.19greycatYour only realistic choices are to reinstall stable, or move all the way to testing (aka stretch) and pray.
20:22.36surfgreycat, ok, I think I'm gonna pray :)
20:23.07toothewait...deb command not found? Isn't that standard Debian?
20:23.32mtntoothe, for wifi, the wifi wiki page. for video, the video wiki page, etc.
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20:23.37greycatthere is no command named "deb" that I know of
20:23.46greycatsources.list is not a shell script
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20:24.06WangDang_If I get a private message from someone with garbage text and some random web link, should I report that to someone here?
20:24.19WangDang_It's kinda like spam
20:24.21toothemtn: err, yes. pardon, I found it :-)
20:24.47toothethe page says to run a 'deb' command. I am told that command doesn't exist on my system. I thought 'deb' by default on Debian?
20:25.16mtntoothe, I don't think that is what the page says to do. perhaps you are looking at your sources.list?
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20:25.43greycatwhatever page you're reading is wrong, or you are misunderstanding it
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20:26.07greycatIf it's giving you lines to put in sources.list, those are not commands.
20:26.14greycatThey are configuration file data.
20:26.33BluesKajtoothe, the deb is probly a  package/app you downloaded, right ?
20:27.04mtnit's fun guessing!
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20:27.37BluesKajyeah, like pulling hen's teeth
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20:28.29WangDang_bruncol: what is that link for and why did you send it to me privately?
20:28.56mtnWangDang_, he is a spammer
20:29.15WangDang_mtn: ok, thanks
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20:30.06BluesKajI got redirected to #Topchat when I joined , should report the guy to freenode
20:30.20WangDang_mtn: why don't they kick him off like they do people who flood?
20:30.37mtnWangDang_, I think they do if they notice
20:31.04jerichowasahoaxtoothe: Could you perhaps be thinking of dpkg
20:31.16WangDang_cool, thanks again
20:31.24unbornjhutchins_wk, thank you :)
20:31.49tootheno, the wiki page specifically cites using deb: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
20:31.51BluesKajif the bot is set to trigger a notice of more than a certain number of lines
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20:32.16uxfihello
20:32.19mtntoothe, like I said, it is referring to your sources.list
20:32.24oor(test)
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20:32.42toothemtn: I understand.
20:32.45mtntoothe, it is a text file
20:32.48tootheohhhhhhhhhhh
20:32.53tootheno, i didn't understand...i see
20:32.56mtntoothe, it is not a command
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20:33.05tootheright right...silly me.
20:33.14ompaulit's an argument
20:33.40greycatthe contents of sources.list are just data
20:33.45ompaulbeyond this word you will find a url and pointers to places beyond that url and there you will find lists of packages
20:34.01BluesKajcommands use arguments ...sounds like me and my boss :)
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20:34.09ompaulwhich apt-get install packagenamegoeshere works for as does aptitude
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20:34.18GitGudhi
20:34.21GitGudwhats up?
20:34.21tootheI'm coming over from Ubuntu/Mint.
20:34.29GitGudcoming over?
20:34.29toothethe idea of manually adding your wifi card is alien to me.
20:34.33GitGudlol
20:34.34ompaul!dont break debian
20:34.34dpkg_dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
20:34.53greycatsources.list defines places that apt will look for packages
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20:35.31BluesKajtoothe, debian is not too different, mostly more stable than ubuntu
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20:36.16tootheBluesKaj: right. Less bloat-ware and I have to configure everything manually.
20:36.42mtntoothe, only a few things, depending on your hardware
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20:36.54rainfyretoothe: it's more than worth the initial set-up time.
20:36.56miskatonicand no unity desktop
20:37.23BluesKajtoothe, configure everything manually ? ..no more than any other OS, IME
20:37.27tootheright. everything worked on Ubuntu and Mint, so I would imagine the transition should be simple.
20:37.29rainfyretoothe: and coming from mintbuntu, you'll be accustomed to debian's package management already
20:38.14someHumanHi!
20:38.27rhyroadI use Debian Mint Edition, x64 MATE.  Super fast.  Everything works out of the box.  Pretty much just stock Debian with better initial config.
20:38.30someHumanHow come I don't see my external hard drive in Nautilus but I see it in lsblk?
20:38.45tootherainfyre: Correct. that's actually what I really really liked about Debian-based systems.
20:39.00BluesKajKDE4 is nice and solid here, and I hope the devs don't force plsama 5/KF5 down our throats too soon  :/
20:39.07rainfyretoothe: same here, I also came from mint/ubuntu several years ago
20:39.11toothewith respect to our linux brethren, I can't imagine going to any distro that doesn't have apt-get.
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20:39.18rhyroadNow if only these wifi access points would run a little better. :/
20:39.33ompaulrhyroad: that's not debian we don't tell people it's debian, it is different for whatever changes they made :)
20:39.40someHumanGah I can't see my external hard drive in Nautilus -_-
20:40.20rhyroadIt's def diff, but it's VERY similar console wise.  Just better desktop decisions, seems to be the only thing that sticks out for me.
20:40.33BluesKajran kubuntu for 10yrs , now my fav feature in kde4 are dumped in plasma 5
20:40.45tootheit seems that everyone is shifting towards KDE.
20:40.50BluesKajfeatures rather
20:41.07rainfyrexfce4 and i3 here
20:41.25BluesKajkde is undergoing dev changes , for the worse IMO
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20:41.39miskatonicI don't want a desktop whatsoever, and so I will not switch to kde
20:41.57tootheLIES!
20:41.59BluesKajrainfyre, yes, xfce is a definite consideration
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20:42.49BluesKajmiskatonic, always got a "purist" ij the croed :-)
20:42.52TheSinhey guys trying to make an init script that waits for all dev/tty stuff to be populates is there a Required-Start for that? or something I can read for what is available for that field?
20:43.04BluesKajin the crowd
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20:43.19toothehow does the Debian community feel about Mint and Ubuntu?
20:43.31bwmakerI hug them when no one's looking.
20:43.35greycatSame way we feel about Red Hat, etc.  They're not our problem.
20:43.49toothebut cleraly one is based on the other.
20:44.05rainfyremiskatonic: tiling wm?
20:44.48miskatonicdevuan seems a more radical deviation than mit and ubuntu
20:44.54rainfyretoothe: I think Mint is great, I'm a little suspicious of Ubuntu
20:45.15miskatonicyeah, I use ratpoison, manual tiling
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20:45.37BluesKajonly a little? :-)
20:46.09The_PhotographerWhy my commits here https://github.com/kiwix/kiwix_mirror/commits/master are not linked with my user here https://github.com/wilfredor
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20:46.58rainfyrelol a little too much to use it for anything ..
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20:48.08miskatonicbut some say that each window manager can be made to work within any of the major desktop environment, although it can be awkward not to use the respective default
20:48.17rhyroadMATE seems more usable than xfce, and actually lately uses about the same amount of RAM.
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20:48.41hassoonKDE ABOE THEM ALL FTW
20:48.53hassoonand I3WM ABOVE THEM ALL ALL
20:48.56hassoonhides
20:49.02hassoon*ABOVE *
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20:49.27someHumanI was just missing cryptsetup :)
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20:57.31someHumanHi
20:57.49someHumanI think I may be experiencing some error with encrypting my hard disk via Disks.
20:57.59someHumanexternal hard disk *
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21:00.26miskatonicwith ratpoison, working in a terminal emulator feels like working on the console without X11, although with a slightly different font.
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21:18.27someHumanHello!
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21:18.59someHumanI'm probably experiencing some error with encrypting my external hard drive via Disks. It
21:19.21someHumanIt's almost an hour since since I started it and it's still showing me this loading icon.
21:19.38someHumanI only have 1 TB external hard drive.
21:19.58someHumanI have installed cryptsetup as earlier I did not have it or I don't have it by default.
21:20.17someHumanAm I experiencing this because I may be lacking packages for encryption?
21:20.29someHumanI only have installed cryptsetup and cryptsetup-bin.
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21:20.32BrigosomeHuman, can you access the logs?
21:21.17zinx1TB external drive may take several hours depending on how you have it hooked up
21:21.17someHumanBrigo: How do I view the logs?
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21:21.48someHumanAnd which logs? Sys logs?
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21:22.11BrigosomeHuman, jessie or wheezy?
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21:22.21hhmmm1 TB / 3600 s = 277 MB/s ?
21:22.27someHumanBrigo: Jessie
21:22.41someHumanhhmmm: It should have been done earlier.
21:22.46BrigosomeHuman, then try journalctl first
21:23.13hhmmmi guess your machine is faster than mine
21:23.20someHumanBrigo: What does that do?
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21:23.30zinxsomeHuman: you probably don't have an external drive that performs a read/write cycle at 265MB/s
21:23.31someHumanhhmmm: I have an i7 processor :)
21:23.41someHumanThat said, it should speed things up.
21:23.50BrigosomeHuman, show logs
21:23.59someHumanzinx: I don't know, but damn I haven't experienced this long of encryption.
21:24.06someHumanThis probably is a bug/error.
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21:24.31someHumanBrigo: Still loading...
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21:25.04zinxsomeHuman: it will take ~5-7 hours if it does 80MB/s normally, and that is about what they top out at
21:25.17zinxsomeHuman: if you're connected with USB 2.0 for example, it will take twice as long
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21:25.47someHumanI believe I often do transfers with external drives via 3.0 USB ports.
21:25.59someHumanBy default
21:25.59zinxsomeHuman: have you ever encrypted a 1TB drive before?  1TB drive takes a long time :)
21:26.07someHumanReally?
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21:26.20someHumanI've encrypted 1 TB before
21:26.26someHumanIt didn't take this long
21:26.28hhmmmdoes it use /dev/urandom ?
21:26.31someHumanAnd it was 1 TB too.
21:26.34someHumanYeah
21:26.36zinxsomeHuman: then you have a really freaking fast 1TB storage medium.
21:26.50someHumanzinx: That was a WD Elements, which died now haha!
21:26.56someHumanI just bought it in January
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21:27.00someHumanThat was on sale too.
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21:27.19someHumanBecause of that drive, I started being disappointed with buying sale electronics.
21:27.27raenkHi, I have a messed up openvz container running debian. I had to recreate the devices (/dev) manually, however, now there are some /run files missing and many services aren't working. Is this fixable? I'm searching on google for something like this but it's just throwing me off
21:27.28someHumanIt was freaking cheap.
21:27.38zinxsomeHuman: that drive is not capable of writing at the speeds you're talking about - you probably did not encrypt an entire TB on it.
21:27.47someHumanHmm
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21:28.03someHumanI don't know, hopefully I did not kill that drive myself :D
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21:28.14someHumanHow do I know that Disks is done with encrypting an external drive?
21:28.33someHumanWhen the loading icon stops turning?
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21:28.51zinxsomeHuman: dunno, i generally create them encrypted to begin with, which takes far less time
21:28.55someHumanBecause that's how I do with my other - now died - 1 TB (WD Elements).
21:29.02zinxsomeHuman: since it doesn't have to read/write every sector.
21:29.07someHumanzinx: Yeah, weird that mine is still running.
21:29.11zinxi also don't use Disks, however
21:29.16someHumanHmm
21:29.32someHumanI also chose the slow mode.
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21:29.46someHumanThere's this slow and quick mode with I guess wiping the drive?
21:29.52someHumanI chose the slow.
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21:30.06zinxif you created a new one w/ the slow mode, that will also take time, but less time - probably ~3.5-4 hours with a 1TB drive connected via USB 3.0 that does 80MB/s.
21:30.16someHumanDamn
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21:30.26someHumanWhat benefit will I get from doing a slow wipe?
21:30.28zinxthe slow mode writes every sector
21:30.32someHumanAh
21:30.33someHumanSo that's why
21:30.35zinxso you can't see zeros
21:30.41someHumanSo what's happening to me is ok?
21:30.45zinxyes
21:30.49someHumanIt's just that it's too damn slow?
21:30.51someHumanDamn
21:31.05zinxbasically, without writing every sector, an attacker can see which parts of the filesystem are used and which are not
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21:31.23someHumanAlso this drive should be much faster than what I previously had. It features this attractive speed transfer that's why I also bought it.
21:31.25zinxbut some people don't care, some people do
21:31.27toothefor my debian mirror, shoudl I just use ftp.us.debian.org ?
21:31.31tootheor should I use one of these mirrors?
21:31.36someHumanzinx: Ah, so what I did is just safe
21:31.49zinxsomeHuman: 80MB/s is around the max spinny drives will write; that's with 7200rpm
21:31.49someHumantoothe: US is always probably ok.
21:31.56someHumanAh
21:31.59zinxsomeHuman: yes, what you did is safer
21:32.00toothealwaysprobably :-)
21:32.04zinxbut very slow to initialize :)
21:32.07someHumanzinx: Thanks
21:32.11someHumanzinx: I gotta go now
21:32.14someHumanGotta rest
21:32.18someHumanzinx: See you around!
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21:32.54hhmmm"Using /dev/random on system without enough entropy sources can cause luksFormat to block until the requested amount of random data is gathered."
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21:36.13someHumanhhmmm: Which means?
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21:47.02hhmmmnot sure
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21:49.06BadCodSmellsometimes when I apt-get remove, apt installs packages, how can I tell it not too? For example it is trying to install pinentry-ncurses after I remove the x11 version. none of the revese dependencies are installed.
21:49.31TacoGSDist-upgrade on wheezy is complaining about udev and kernel needing to be upgraded... you would think that this would be part of a dist-upgrade?
21:50.04BadCodSmellWhat does complaining mean?
21:50.08BadCodSmellAt this point though
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21:50.16BadCodSmellI would just suggest going another distro
21:50.21BadCodSmellI've about had it with debian
21:50.45rainfyredon't let the door smack ya on the way out
21:50.54BrigoTacoGS, can you  paste the whole output in paste.debian.net?
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21:52.11TacoGSNo, debian paste doesn't like the special chars
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21:52.57TacoGShttp://pastebin.com/EwAYzrPe
21:54.15BadCodSmellIt suggests manually upgrading the kernel first
21:54.27BadCodSmellWhich might not help
21:54.44BadCodSmellYou should see if you can make it verbose or is dpkg dropped a log anywhere
21:55.40BadCodSmellThe problem with updating the kernel is that it possibly hints it needs to be the running one
21:56.01BadCodSmelland rebooting halfway through dist-upgrade....
21:56.20BrigoTacoGS, that's not the whole output of apt-get dist-upgrade.
21:56.21TacoGSI read that much, I was more questioning why it was not upgrading the kernel during the dist-upgrade if it is a requirement
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21:56.28TacoGSthat is right it isn't
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21:56.50rainfyreTacoGS: did you apt-get upgrade first?
21:56.54Brigo,v udev
21:56.55juddPackage: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u1; stretch: 221-1; sid: 222-1
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21:57.34TacoGSrainfyre: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
21:57.38TacoGSin that order
21:57.48BrigoTacoGS, that package dpkg are trying to install, udev_215-17+deb8u1_amd64.deb is not from wheezy, but from  jessie.
21:58.00TacoGSI see
21:58.03TacoGSlet me try something
21:58.43TacoGSthat was it, when I looked into the sources.list it has "stable" which switched to jessie
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21:58.56rainfyreyay!
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22:00.49TacoGShaha
22:00.52TacoGSI love that warning
22:01.02TacoGStrying to uninstall the currently running kernel
22:01.08rainfyrenice
22:01.16BadCodSmellGreat so can someone tell me how to get apt to remove a package rather than replace it with an alternative?
22:01.30TacoGSpurge force?
22:01.57rainfyreBadCodSmell: did you see what you could do with aptitude as root?
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22:02.45BadCodSmellI don't know anything about apitude
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22:02.58BadCodSmellAnd I don't understand why doing something so basic is so hard
22:03.11BadCodSmellThis has never happened to me with yum, etc
22:03.48rainfyreBadCodSmell:fire up aptitude. I don't know why it's so hard either, wish your box was in front of me bro
22:04.37BadCodSmellno you don't
22:04.39rainfyreBadCodSmell: aptitude is worth learning. ? brings up the help menu. Better dependency resolving than apt-get
22:04.43BadCodSmellI asked for a minimal install
22:04.50rainfyrethat's my preference too
22:05.22BadCodSmellnot an install with 2500 packages that I have to strip down after finding out it's just been installed to hundreds of workstations
22:05.39rainfyrethat's a huge minimal install
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22:05.52abrotmanBadCodSmell: remove which package?
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22:06.13BadCodSmellExactly and I'm surprised my apt-get remove command even fits into the bash prompt input buffer
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22:06.42rainfyrewhat all are you trying to get rid of at this point?
22:07.19rainfyreand abrotman has forgotten more about Debian than I've ever learned ..
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22:08.28BadCodSmellpostfix is weird, in one situation I purge it with -y and it installs exim as an alternative, in another case, just using straight apt-get remove and it doesn't seem to bother unless there's another mta floating around I missed
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22:08.41BadCodSmellWhoever did this had the genius to decide things like "lets install every mta"
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22:09.15abrotmanyou have to have an MTA ..
22:09.21BadCodSmellpinentry-ncurses is really weird, I remove some kde pinentry and it then tries to install ncurses, but none of the rdepends are installed
22:09.30abrotmanyou can install a different one .. but lots of packges depend on one
22:09.30phixBadCodSmell: MTA's are your friend, the more the merrier
22:09.32BadCodSmellabrotman: that's actually a myth
22:09.42BadCodSmellin fact I replace it later with dma
22:09.58abrotmanDMA is an MTA ..
22:10.03BadCodSmelland thankfully although it's not in wheezy original source has deb build scripts
22:10.08BadCodSmellyeh but apt doesnt know that
22:10.23jhutchins_wkBadCodSmell: You have something that requires an MTA installed, so if you remove one it installs another, preferably the default for that relase.
22:10.27abrotmanBadCodSmell: I told you before, look at the others, apt-cache search mail-transport-agent
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22:10.31BadCodSmelland apt happily lets me remove mtas to the point cron just says no mta, you lost your output which is fine
22:10.35homecableany one have a cs24-sc server ?
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22:10.38BadCodSmellno mta should only mean losing output
22:10.48BadCodSmellit's not like all syscalls go through mta or something
22:10.49abrotmanBadCodSmell: There are plenty of other packages that do what DMA does
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22:11.00BadCodSmellAll of them suck
22:11.05ragedragonHello the room, i'm trying to solve an issue with vlc and the livemedia lib from deb.multimedia
22:11.06abrotmanthat's positive
22:11.07BadCodSmellAt least for my scenario
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22:11.19abrotmanWell, good luck
22:11.27ragedragoni received a rtsp stream but i get this error on vlc (builded from source):
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22:11.39jhutchins_wk!paste
22:11.40dpkg_Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
22:11.45ragedragonlive555 debug: version 2015.06.09
22:11.53BadCodSmellother than cron, why do I *need* an mta?
22:12.00ragedragonlive555 error: no data received in 10s, aborting
22:12.05phixBadCodSmell: Communication is key
22:12.06ragedragonany idea please
22:12.06abrotmanBadCodSmell: depends on the software you use, lots of things use an MTA
22:12.07ragedragon?
22:12.33BadCodSmellon an embedded platform that already has a mechanism of communicating?
22:12.33abrotmanWe can't see all the software you have installed, so we can't know what is asking for an MTA
22:12.43jhutchins_wkragedragon: Your stream did not supply any data for 10s.
22:12.45abrotmanragedragon: have you tried with the VLC in Debian ?
22:13.07BadCodSmellIs there an easy way to see what satisfies a dependency?
22:13.24jhutchins_wkBadCodSmell: You mean what requires that package?
22:13.32phixBadCodSmell: on an embedded platform I wouldn't use debian
22:13.34ragedragonjhutchins_wk, abrotman , it is working with an old revision vlc from deb packages i have 2.0.6 i think...
22:13.40ragedragoni get the rtsp stream
22:13.41BadCodSmellFor example, I believe I've removed all mtas but cron is still there and rdepends on an mta, so in theory, a candicate must be installed for that
22:13.45ragedragonwithout problem
22:13.58BadCodSmellphix wasn't my choice
22:14.02jhutchins_wkragedragon: Maybe it's down today.
22:14.03ragedragoni have a dep issue with an old program, that's why i used vlc from sourcesw
22:14.14jhutchins_wkragedragon: Maybe there's something blocking the port.
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22:14.27phixBadCodSmell: well deal with it then, use an MTA and move on
22:14.41jhutchins_wkphix: Excellent advice.
22:14.42ragedragoni think it is not the firewall as i'm able to get the rtsp stream with the vlc rev 2.0.6
22:14.58BadCodSmellphix, it's not only the mta that is the problem
22:15.05abrotmanBadCodSmell: do you know about emdebian?
22:15.19BadCodSmellIt's apt, people focus on the mta because of their established belief systems about it always being needed
22:15.44BadCodSmellemdebian will have the same flaw in apt
22:15.55phixBadCodSmell: What else is the issue? besides the fact you are using an unsuitable OS for a specific platform
22:15.56ragedragonjhutchins_wk, get User-Agent: LibVLC/2.0.6 (LIVE555 Streaming Media v2012.05.17)Received 127 new bytes of response data. Received a complete OPTIONS response: RTSP/1.0 200 OK
22:16.06BadCodSmellim going to check the aptitude output because it actually seems more verbose than apt-get with -VVVVV
22:16.07jhutchins_wkragedragon: Are you trying to use their client or a browser or what?  If vlc works why not use it?
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22:16.24phixyeah aptitude is good
22:16.40ragedragonjhutchins_wk, will try good idea
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22:17.12ragedragonthe reason i builded last vlc 2.2.x is that i have a dep issue to install last vlc from deb repo
22:17.21BadCodSmellaptitude doesn't appear to want to install anything
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22:17.39jhutchins_wkBadCodSmell: For that type of setup it's usually a good idea to build the system up from a minimal debootstrap system so that you don't install whole tasks with lots of dependencies but manually install just the packages you actually need.
22:17.57jhutchins_wkBadCodSmell: Aptitude wants a puppy.
22:18.40BadCodSmellYes. It's at least much clearer about what it is doing and why so far.
22:19.28jhutchins_wkBadCodSmell: Besides dependencies, there are also "recommends" which can be enabled or disabled.
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22:21.16BadCodSmellI disabled the recommended and suggests
22:21.26BadCodSmellThough maybe not broadly enough
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22:21.39BadCodSmellActually, that could be the problem with apt-get
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22:23.07abrotmanyou can do that in your apt preferenes so it's global
22:24.06dtcrshrhello everyone. I have this machine that im virtualizing. it was running debian 6, but it was running on a desktop computer which im virtualizing now, on a brand new debian 8 install. I want to migrate the users from this box to the new ones, anyone have any tips on this?
22:25.07TacoGSrainfyre: yeah, it is still now complaining about udev :P
22:25.32BadCodSmellTacoGS you need to go full verbosity
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22:25.38BadCodSmellor even dpkg -i it
22:25.59BadCodSmell(not sure if that's a good idea or not but directly applying it might make verbosity easier)
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22:26.41dtcrshrwill I be fine only copying the /etc/group /password /shadow and the /home folders?
22:26.56abrotman/etc/password, but yes
22:27.07abrotmanoh, and  if they have anything  in /var/spool/cron/
22:27.11Lunariohow big should /dev/debian-vg/root be on an lvm-encrypted debian system?
22:27.15Lunario(hdd is 750 gb)
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22:32.17medflyhelp how do I completely disable network manager it's retarded
22:32.28medfly._.
22:32.35abfermsudo apt-get remove network-manager
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22:32.48medflythanks
22:33.45abfermanyone know how to configure the networking interfaces file to use dhcp for an interface, but not set the default route?
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22:35.31abfermmedfly: On debian it won't manage any devices you have listed in the networking interfaces file. That would be an alternative to uninstalling it.
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22:36.21abrotmanabferm: dhclient.conf has options
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22:38.17abrotmanremoving it isn't really a solution, it'll likely get installed again later
22:38.25abfermabrotman: I don't see anything in the man page about the default route.
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22:38.50abfermactually not much depends on network manager
22:39.12abrotmanabferm: see "request" in the man page
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22:42.31abfermabrotman: I found that, but don't see anything about the default route. Does requesting routers set the default route?
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22:43.11abrotmanabferm: see the part about the default request .. you can override that
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22:44.14abfermYeah, but I don't see that that is actually requesting the default route, unless that is part of the routers request. Is that the case?
22:44.58donttrustemHi, how do I run a long command from the command line…  it keeps wrapping down to a >
22:46.06TacoGSYeah, no matter what I do whether it be dpkg or apt/aptitude it cannot get past the udev error
22:46.21abrotmandonttrustem: sounds like a ' or " or missing
22:46.27abrotmanTacoGS: paste.debian.net please
22:47.04abfermdonttrustem: use the "\" character. that will wrap you down to the next line. That way you can see better
22:47.06TacoGShttp://pastebin.com/EwAYzrPe
22:47.21TacoGSI would paste.debian.net but it doesn't like "special" characters
22:47.23abrotmandonttrustem: put your command in paste.debian.net if you can so we can review
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22:48.34abrotmanTacoGS: is this a VPS?
22:49.11TacoGSyes
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22:49.26TacoGSI think I get where this is going
22:50.04donttrustemhttp://paste.debian.net/282742/
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22:50.39abrotmanTacoGS: so, you don't control your kernel, and you can't upgrade it
22:50.51TacoGSyup
22:50.58TacoGSthat is exactly what I thought
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22:51.12abrotmandonttrustem: well, there are some fancy quotes in there, not sure if you did that or the paste site did
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22:51.38abrotmandonttrustem: your first " isn't really a ", it's a “
22:52.15donttrustemOK checking it
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22:53.19abfermdonttrustem: That and you have two lines, if you are copying and pasting from somewhere that might be the problem.
22:53.40TacoGSabrotman: thanks for that, I should have seen that coming
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22:53.52donttrustemyeah I might have to type it
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22:54.46donttrustembut that is a job for the morning …. 1am  :(
22:54.55abfermAs long as you fix the quote problem, and don't copy the new line character you should be fine.
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22:57.16homecableany one have a cs24-sc server ?
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23:01.26TacoGSAlright, kernel was upgraded, again thanks abrotman
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23:04.54daffy__anyone knows the diff between 'opera' and 'opera-stable' package?
23:06.33c0fedaffy__: i would venture to guess the regular opera one has more features were as opera-stable isn't updated frequently
23:06.33abrotmandaffy__: ##opera might
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23:07.33abfermAny chance of Jessie getting network manager 1.0.X anytime soon? I don't feel like backporting it myself at the moment. Too much else to do.
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23:08.40Phykshmmm, I am having "no input file specified" using the default debian snippet for nginx + php-fpm fastcgi. I checked the path sent to php-fpm, and it is ok, and I checked perms and they are ok as well
23:08.46PhyksI am running out of ideas, do you have some?
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23:10.45themillabferm: jessie will never have a newer network-manager. Newer versions aren't always compatible with older clients which then makes backporting it a problem too
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23:12.08daffy__c0fe: opera would install flashplugin-nonfree, while opera-stable pepperflashplugin-nonfree
23:12.45c0fei see daffy__
23:12.55daffy__46MB to install opera, 155MB to opera-stable
23:13.08daffy__big diff
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23:14.47c0fedaffy__: no practical difference though
23:15.44daffy__i wonder why opera uses konqueror-nsplugins
23:16.09daffy__and opera-stable uses chromium
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23:18.01abfermthemill: network-manager 1.0.4, which was released yesterday is supposed to be backwords compatible with both 1.0.2 and 0.9.10
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23:19.26abfermI did a backport a while back to get the version jessie was running when it was still testing into wheesy. I didn't have any issues, of course I was running headless, so I didn't have a gui client trying to talk to it.
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23:20.57abfermAnyway, my point was that the newer releases are supposed to be backwards compatible for both d-bus and c api.
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23:21.38themillThat's a good start then. (It still won't end up in jessie, but you can suggest that it be put in jessie-backports once it's in stretch)
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23:24.56abferm1.0.2 is in stretch, where/how would I make the request?
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23:27.53themillabferm: discussing it with the maintainers and https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ is the best option
23:28.05Lunariohow can i enable the numpad in debian 8 by default?
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23:29.38c0feLunario: this is usually done in BIOS settings
23:30.12Lunariostrange, i never needed to change that in the bios on other os' (ubuntu, kali, lubuntu)
23:30.15c0feLunario: there are ways but you have to design scripts or install software which seems pointless considering you can just press a button otherwise
23:30.25Lunarioyeah, its not a big deal of course
23:31.06Lunarioalso another question: when i am using multiple monitors and then return to the login screen, my main screen of the laptop is always black and the other display just shows grey. why is that and how can that be changed?
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23:31.28abrotmanTacoGS: did you get it all worked out?
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23:32.35TacoGSsure did
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23:45.07incalis there a program like normalize-auido only it works on mp4 (video) files as well? and .webm etc.
23:45.20incalbut still what is to be normalized is the audio
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