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| 00:09.29 | someHuman | Hello! |
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| 00:10.16 | someHuman | To those I talked to regarding my external hard drive seemingly taking a long time, I now come to the conclusion that I am experiencing an error. |
| 00:10.22 | someHuman | It's been already 3+ hours. |
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| 00:10.27 | someHuman | That ain't normal anymore. |
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| 00:20.42 | P5i | hi, so i am experiencing an issue with wifi on debian (intel centrino wireless-n in a lenovo thinkpad 430), everything was good until last week, when i initiate a download of a bigger file speed decreases, ping to gateway is getting bigger (even up to 10 000ms), things are getting back to normal once the download is aborted |
| 00:21.03 | P5i | on other OS i couldn't reproduce, on ethernet its perfectly fine |
| 00:21.16 | P5i | maybe somebody has a clue |
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| 00:22.39 | meaneye | P5i, static IP? |
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| 00:23.41 | P5i | meaneye: im on static, though wouldn't matter i think |
| 00:23.57 | meaneye | Well, my thinking is, if it's automatic you might get some weird routing. |
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| 00:24.16 | P5i | how do i troubleshoot? |
| 00:24.29 | meaneye | Try traceroute first to see if it's routing problem. |
| 00:24.34 | meaneye | Try ping flooding. |
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| 00:25.56 | P5i | now traceroute looks quite normal, i'll try to introduce the lag with a long connection |
| 00:26.14 | meaneye | ping -l |
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| 00:29.06 | P5i | response times from remote serwer are getting bigger nad ibgger, now it is 4000ms |
| 00:29.21 | meaneye | With flood ping? |
| 00:29.24 | meaneye | How many jumps? |
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| 00:29.51 | P5i | traceroute says 10 jumps |
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| 00:30.04 | P5i | i do ping -l 100 |
| 00:30.27 | meaneye | And from some other machine from the same network? |
| 00:30.31 | meaneye | How many jumps. |
| 00:31.06 | P5i | a, im quite tired, i pinged a remote serwer |
| 00:31.10 | P5i | there is 1 jump to my gw |
| 00:31.38 | P5i | ping is 1000ms now |
| 00:31.43 | meaneye | Well, it might be driver problem, which I can't really help you solve. But I hope to make sure it's not some weird configuration error. |
| 00:32.32 | P5i | i suspected a broken soho router, so i borrowed a new one and it didnt help |
| 00:32.48 | meaneye | You say connection is Wifi? |
| 00:32.56 | P5i | on cable its perfect |
| 00:33.05 | meaneye | Connected to same router? |
| 00:33.08 | P5i | yes |
| 00:33.20 | meaneye | Well, with WIFI, MTU can play a big role. |
| 00:33.24 | meaneye | Are you far from router? |
| 00:33.26 | meaneye | Changed channels? |
| 00:33.29 | P5i | not really |
| 00:33.37 | P5i | i could change a channel, why not |
| 00:33.45 | meaneye | I use to work for WIFI ISP. |
| 00:34.05 | meaneye | And sometimes we got these weird behaviors where signal is strong but unusable. Noise level, or weird MTU values. |
| 00:34.11 | meaneye | It's quite hard to debug |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | microwave oven! |
| 00:34.23 | meaneye | That too. |
| 00:34.30 | P5i | microwave is off :) |
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| 00:35.42 | P5i | as expected, changing channels didnt help :\ |
| 00:36.01 | P5i | plus on a different os it worked quite alright |
| 00:36.04 | meaneye | You changed from what to what if I may ask. Since WIFI channels overlap. |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | P5i: anything in dmesg? |
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| 00:36.39 | abrotman | P5i: What is your kernel? |
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| 00:37.01 | P5i | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 00:37.05 | P5i | ill look at dmesg |
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| 00:38.19 | P5i | [ 3.391564] random: nonblocking pool is initialized |
| 00:38.19 | P5i | [ 3.394392] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-agn-rs' |
| 00:38.40 | P5i | whoops, no pasting, i should got kicked out of here i guess :) |
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| 00:41.07 | abrotman | that doesn't seem bad |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | MTU perhaps? |
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| 00:41.59 | someHuman | Hello |
| 00:42.06 | P5i | ifconfig says MTU 1500 |
| 00:42.07 | P5i | hi |
| 00:42.13 | someHuman | Why is it that Nautilus always takes a long time to show up? |
| 00:42.23 | meaneye | P5i, try setting it to 1450 |
| 00:42.37 | someHuman | I've called it a couple of times via the dashboard or that search thingy you get when pressing super key. |
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| 00:42.51 | except | how to enable UAS support in Jessie? (currently running stock kernel) |
| 00:42.54 | meaneye | someHuman, which directory does it load? |
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| 00:43.14 | someHuman | meaneye: Nothing, I just want to open Nautilus. |
| 00:43.24 | someHuman | No directory in particular. |
| 00:43.31 | meaneye | You mean it loads your home directory? |
| 00:43.35 | someHuman | Yup |
| 00:43.43 | P5i | meaneye: mtu 1450 doesn't seem to help |
| 00:43.55 | someHuman | Probably a lot of 'Files' instances will pop up later. |
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| 00:44.37 | meaneye | someHuman, Nautilus loads many things. I can't really point to a single issue why it's delayed. |
| 00:44.48 | someHuman | Hmmm |
| 00:44.57 | meaneye | P5i, more and more looks like driver issue or some sort of software throttling. |
| 00:44.59 | someHuman | I have a 1 TB plugged, does that somehow account for? |
| 00:45.16 | meaneye | someHuman, it shouldn't. |
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| 00:45.38 | P5i | meaneye: i think i'll borrow a wifi dongle and wait for a fix to come |
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| 00:45.52 | someHuman | meaneye: Yeah lol |
| 00:46.01 | someHuman | What the heck this is so weird. |
| 00:46.09 | meaneye | P5i, well, 3.16 is almost a year old isn't it. |
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| 00:46.19 | abrotman | that's not the point |
| 00:46.36 | someHuman | meaneye: I'll try again with a reboot. |
| 00:46.59 | meaneye | someHuman, doubt it will help. I have the same behavior. You can always change file manager. |
| 00:47.11 | someHuman | Hmm |
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| 00:47.17 | someHuman | meaneye: Could you suggest? |
| 00:47.35 | meaneye | someHuman, nautilus clone or something different? |
| 00:47.38 | P5i | see you on a newer kernel then |
| 00:47.40 | P5i | thanks a lot! :) |
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| 00:47.56 | meaneye | P5i, well, you are welcome. Although I didn't help, just tried to make sure. |
| 00:48.31 | someHuman | I don't or am not familiar with any else of a file manager :-/ |
| 00:48.37 | someHuman | Been used to Nautilus lol. |
| 00:49.01 | someHuman | meaneye: I'll take it from here, thanks a lot ;) |
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| 00:49.42 | meaneye | someHuman, it comes down to what you want to achieve. If you work with files a lot, I suggest twin panel. Like DoubleCommander, GnomeCommander, Sunflower. |
| 00:49.50 | meaneye | If you want something like nautilus, then Thunar and Dolphin. |
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| 00:50.01 | someHuman | Thanks! |
| 00:50.04 | meaneye | YW |
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| 00:53.43 | someHuman | meaneye: Nautilus seriously just opened now/popped up now -_- |
| 00:54.22 | meaneye | That's extra long. |
| 00:54.33 | meaneye | Are you sure all your drives are healthy? |
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| 00:54.39 | meaneye | You don't have bad sectors or something. |
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| 00:55.25 | someHuman | meaneye: Will erasing data on a slow method 1 TB external storage be really a long time? I'm using Disks for that task. |
| 00:55.25 | P5i | i'm back, this time on 4.0.2 |
| 00:55.29 | P5i | and its the same :\ |
| 00:55.34 | someHuman | meaneye: Hopefully not |
| 00:55.38 | P5i | 4.0.0.-2* |
| 00:55.40 | someHuman | meaneye: How can I check? |
| 00:56.06 | someHuman | meaneye: Earlier I was trying to encrypt my external drive but damn 3 hours has past and it was still encrypting. |
| 00:56.10 | meaneye | someHuman, there's "Disks" tool which can give you more information about that. Erasing data might temporarily avoid the problem, but I doubt it will fix. |
| 00:56.19 | someHuman | I chose the slow way of erasing data. |
| 00:56.24 | meaneye | someHuman, That doesn't sound right number. |
| 00:56.34 | someHuman | Indeed |
| 00:56.35 | meaneye | Shouldn't encryption happen when writing. |
| 00:56.57 | meaneye | P5i, hm. Weird. Is there a proprietary driver for that card? |
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| 00:57.16 | P5i | i dont know anything about it, i didnt install anything |
| 00:57.19 | someHuman | I'm encrypting it again, hopefully this time it happens right. |
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| 00:58.47 | someHuman | meaneye: How much at least should 1 TB take time for it to be finished on being encrypted? Like via Disks? |
| 00:59.05 | meaneye | Disks just gives you info about hard drives. |
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| 00:59.22 | someHuman | meaneye: I have encrypted drives with it before. |
| 00:59.34 | meaneye | Hm, okay. I never did that. |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | P5i: try getting newer firmware |
| 00:59.45 | someHuman | My now died 1 TB external drive, I also encrypted with Disks. |
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| 01:00.12 | frost_bite | will linux boot work on a partition on an "Apple Parititon Map" ? |
| 01:00.13 | P5i | abrotman: i am doing just that right now, thanks :) |
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| 01:02.29 | P5i | damn, the newest version is my version |
| 01:02.39 | P5i | i'll revert to older maybe |
| 01:03.10 | meaneye | P5i, could work. |
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| 01:13.40 | P5i | i cant even find an older version |
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| 01:14.15 | frost_bite | can debian be installed to a "APM" map? (old school pcc Apple Parition Map) ? |
| 01:14.38 | meaneye | P5i, did you say after update it started behaving like that? |
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| 01:15.01 | meaneye | frost_bite, I think you can check that by booting Linux off of USB. |
| 01:15.01 | P5i | yes, it used to be good |
| 01:15.24 | meaneye | frost_bite, if it sees partitions and grub does have support for it I see no reason why it shouldn't. |
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| 01:16.17 | P5i | maybe the cards is broken but it only shows on linux or something |
| 01:16.23 | incal | sorry, I got disconnected. if anyone answered my question, please send it, or if there is a public log somewhere of the discussion |
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| 01:17.09 | meaneye | incal, you can always separate audio from video and then normalize with audacity. |
| 01:17.12 | P5i | thank you again, have a good day/night |
| 01:17.19 | meaneye | And then glue it back together. |
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| 01:17.52 | meaneye | P5i, sorry I couldn't have been of more assistance. You can file a bug report though. You could also try to mess around with ndiswrapper and windows drivers if it's fairly old card. |
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| 01:18.48 | frost_bite | meaneye i dont have any spare usb keys and i used my last disc burning Debian Netinst PPC, whenever i try to resize the mac partition it just stays on 0% in the installer and the Mac wont let me resize from within mac os itself. |
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| 01:19.05 | frost_bite | which is why i started to believe it was because of partition map |
| 01:19.30 | meaneye | frost_bite, doubt. Resize requires data to be moved and free the end. |
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| 01:19.46 | meaneye | Then just partition metrics are changed, which Linux apparently sees. |
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| 01:20.51 | incal | meaneye: but no one put this together into an integrated tool that put it back together again? |
| 01:21.01 | incal | ... hah |
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| 01:21.22 | meaneye | incal, there are couple of tools. Out of which Blender and Lightworks are most powerful I think. Mind you am not into video editing. |
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| 01:21.26 | meaneye | But there are options. |
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| 01:22.00 | meaneye | Audacity has pretty good algorithms for doing this, that's why I suggested this approach. |
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| 01:22.25 | Guest48056 | hi |
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| 01:22.31 | incal | I'm thinking in the lines of a CLI tool normalize file_1.mp4 ... file_n.mp4 # done |
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| 01:23.02 | meaneye | incal, that I do not know. |
| 01:23.05 | Guest48056 | does anyone know of a tool to calculate proper start and end values to use with tools like parted on > 2TB drives? |
| 01:23.09 | incal | it doesn't have to be advanced, I'm not a studio buf, I just want to play songs not having to adjust the audio for every video |
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| 01:23.20 | Guest48056 | apparently we are not back to the fucking stone ages having to manually fucking calculated these things |
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| 01:23.58 | meaneye | Guest48056, I am not following. What seems to be the problem? |
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| 01:25.02 | Guest48056 | to create gpt partition tables with things like parted, we need to calculate properly aligned partition sizes to a 4k increment |
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| 01:25.48 | Guest48056 | things like gparted no longer do this for us. i knnow i am being lazy but i did not expect to do what we had to do in 1991 to fiddle with dos |
| 01:26.01 | meaneye | Hm. Weird. |
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| 01:26.59 | meaneye | I didn't know they removed that feature. |
| 01:27.02 | Guest48056 | gparted simply doesnt support gpt right now from what i can tell and telling parted to create a partition table 100% in size does not properly align to a 4k increment resulting in a warning |
| 01:27.25 | Guest48056 | well parted is command line, gparted the frontend does not support gpt for some reason |
| 01:27.39 | Guest48056 | or i may be wrong but i don't see a gpt partition table option |
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| 01:28.31 | meaneye | Perhaps this should be feature/bug report to parted guys. |
| 01:28.34 | Guest48056 | oh i'm an idiot. there is the gpt partition table. |
| 01:28.46 | Guest48056 | damnit, i was about to look at hiring someone to add this. |
| 01:29.04 | Guest48056 | sorry for the noise, i am a moron. |
| 01:29.09 | Guest48056 | have a lovely evening all. |
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| 01:29.17 | meaneye | If only all issues are easy to solve like this :D |
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| 01:31.40 | `alexandr | i just found out fbterm has better font rendering than x on debian |
| 01:31.53 | meaneye | facebook terminal? |
| 01:32.10 | `alexandr | ha no framebuffer terminal on the console |
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| 01:32.43 | meaneye | Does it outside of console? |
| 01:33.00 | `alexandr | it even has multiple windows accessed by S-Left and S-Right |
| 01:33.40 | `alexandr | it renders directly to the framebuffer like wayland |
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| 01:34.28 | `alexandr | the package is called fbterm if you want to try it |
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| 01:34.45 | meaneye | Can it be used in X.Org ? |
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| 01:35.39 | `alexandr | no it has to be run on a tty (i'm using it on a system without x) |
| 01:35.52 | meaneye | :) |
| 01:35.55 | meaneye | I could never do that. |
| 01:36.05 | `alexandr | i just thought it was funny how much better the fonts were |
| 01:36.29 | incal | I don't use X either, what are the advantages? |
| 01:36.43 | meaneye | Of x? |
| 01:36.48 | incal | no :) |
| 01:36.55 | incal | of this new terminal |
| 01:37.14 | `alexandr | its purely asthetic as far as i can tell :) |
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| 01:37.48 | `alexandr | the multiple windows help alleviate some of the need for screen/tmux |
| 01:37.48 | incal | aha, no I like the old fonts already... TerminusBold 12x24 is what I use |
| 01:37.56 | incal | aha no I use tmux |
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| 01:38.09 | meaneye | How do you use web anyway? |
| 01:38.14 | incal | Emacs-w3m |
| 01:38.15 | meaneye | lynx? |
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| 01:38.24 | meaneye | Still no images. |
| 01:38.29 | incal | wait |
| 01:38.31 | `alexandr | lynx |
| 01:38.47 | meaneye | I know w3m can render image. |
| 01:38.49 | `alexandr | you can do images on the framebuffer |
| 01:39.02 | incal | I don't need images |
| 01:39.22 | `alexandr | fbterm can do backgroud images but its mostly a hack |
| 01:39.36 | `alexandr | images just slow browsers way down anyway |
| 01:39.38 | incal | the ttys aren't the place for images |
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| 01:40.08 | meaneye | So you guys won't switch to wayland? |
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| 01:40.26 | meaneye | Thought it must be funny when your OS takes 32MB of RAM when there's like 4GB+ |
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| 01:41.27 | `alexandr | wayland is really cool, i cant wait to use it on my desktop |
| 01:41.56 | meaneye | I hope to see tiling wms :) |
| 01:42.01 | `alexandr | it makes way more sense than x does anymore |
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| 01:42.50 | `alexandr | as long as ratpoison gets ported ill be happy :) |
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| 01:43.15 | incal | here is how it looks with the tty and Emacs-w3m: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/irssi/dumps/page_in_w3m.png |
| 01:43.39 | meaneye | That look s usable. |
| 01:43.47 | incal | granted not all sites look that way because they are not made with this kind of use in mind (maybe they should) |
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| 01:44.06 | meaneye | incal, they should. |
| 01:44.43 | meaneye | And that's not because of CLI users. |
| 01:45.02 | meaneye | Search engines prefer it. |
| 01:45.09 | meaneye | People with disability benefit from it. |
| 01:45.36 | `alexandr | definatly! w3m is my first test on any site im developing |
| 01:45.44 | meaneye | Same here. |
| 01:46.03 | incal | well I'm glad we agree. see you later |
| 01:46.07 | meaneye | It's a good test if your code is proper. |
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| 02:00.55 | A1BaTrOs | Good morning |
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| 02:08.16 | A1BaTrOs | anyone here? |
| 02:08.56 | A1BaTrOs | any ideea how can i restrict access to a linux machine only by dns instead of accessing it by ip? |
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| 02:10.13 | x86_64 | Fan! |
| 02:10.19 | x86_64 | :( |
| 02:10.39 | AvatarA | A1BaTrOs, what? |
| 02:11.02 | A1BaTrOs | well... |
| 02:11.14 | A1BaTrOs | i have a minecraft server on a linux debian machine |
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| 02:11.42 | A1BaTrOs | and i want to restrict access to that machine including putty or what ever else only accessing it by DNS |
| 02:12.00 | A1BaTrOs | so i.e i don't want someone to access 123.123.123.123 |
| 02:12.12 | A1BaTrOs | but i want them to aceess xxx.xxx.com |
| 02:12.32 | AvatarA | but that's the same thing that happens when you access mycoolserver.net |
| 02:12.53 | mi11k1 | What is it for? So you want white list? |
| 02:12.54 | AvatarA | some server tells you the ip address of mycoolserver.net and then you access 123.123 |
| 02:13.17 | x86_64 | i tried ¨dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration¨ and chose US-International with AltGr on the right Alt key but i cant type dead keys |
| 02:13.24 | x86_64 | im not using X but using tty |
| 02:13.51 | A1BaTrOs | not sure i am coherennt in what i want |
| 02:13.57 | A1BaTrOs | not really a whitelist |
| 02:14.12 | A1BaTrOs | in minecraft for example |
| 02:14.21 | mi11k1 | What exactly is it for? |
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| 02:14.40 | A1BaTrOs | when you have a hub of games, there's a plugin abt proxy that restricts players to access the specific ip of a certain game in that hub |
| 02:14.48 | A1BaTrOs | they can only access it from the main hub |
| 02:14.54 | A1BaTrOs | lobby/hub |
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| 02:15.32 | A1BaTrOs | i was thinking i can find something for the whole machine maybe |
| 02:15.42 | mi11k1 | That sounds application specific |
| 02:16.21 | mi11k1 | Whatever server you're using doesn't it have a configuration for that |
| 02:17.06 | A1BaTrOs | no, not really, it's home hosting, not business |
| 02:17.22 | mi11k1 | I just got here but your query is pretty vague, I don't understand what the users are actually connecting to |
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| 02:17.33 | AvatarA | I basically understood that he wants it to be possible to "ssh myserver.org" but he doesn't want it to be possible "ssh 1.2.3.4" |
| 02:17.52 | AvatarA | from what he said |
| 02:17.58 | A1BaTrOs | yeah |
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| 02:18.04 | AvatarA | that's what you want? |
| 02:18.27 | mi11k1 | So, you don't want DNS to resolve hostnames? Just IP addresses? |
| 02:18.58 | A1BaTrOs | whatever i connect to on that machine i want everyone to be able to access it stricly by subdomain.mycoolserver.net |
| 02:19.19 | mi11k1 | What is wrong with them connecting straight to the IP address, because that's what they're doing anyways |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | AvatarA: no |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | sorry, A1BaTrOs no |
| 02:20.44 | mi11k1 | Or you said it's going through a proxy server? So you want to be hidden between you and the proxy? |
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| 02:21.18 | mancomunado | I pressed TAB+something on KDE and now my opened softwares disappeared, but are still running somewhere. |
| 02:21.23 | A1BaTrOs | if that's what a proxy does, yes... |
| 02:22.12 | mi11k1 | So, get up vps from Chicago vps or something |
| 02:22.26 | mi11k1 | And the users and your connection will meet up at it |
| 02:23.51 | A1BaTrOs | vps for what? |
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| 02:24.09 | mi11k1 | Just for a middleman for your domain to point at |
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| 02:24.41 | A1BaTrOs | so you mean domain -> vps -> my ip ? |
| 02:25.18 | mi11k1 | Yeah, so your domain will point to the vps, and you can just SOCKS proxy into it |
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| 02:25.51 | mancomunado | I pressed TAB+something on KDE and now my opened softwares disappeared, but are still running somewhere. |
| 02:26.02 | mi11k1 | Chicago vps is cheap you can get one for 3 or 4 dollars a month, they're kind of cool to have |
| 02:26.02 | A1BaTrOs | and that way my ip will not be traceable back thru the vps? |
| 02:26.24 | AvatarA | players <-> vps <-> your server |
| 02:26.42 | AvatarA | players connect to your vps and it acts as a router between the players and the server |
| 02:27.01 | AvatarA | so everybody knows the address of your vps |
| 02:27.05 | AvatarA | but not the address of the server |
| 02:27.37 | mi11k1 | So your domain will point just to the vps and you come in through basically the back door, and as far as they can tell you are there |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | if it's a router, doesn't work like that |
| 02:28.22 | mi11k1 | Chicago vps basically gives you a fully functional Linux machine, and you can do whatever you want |
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| 02:28.57 | mi11k1 | I used to run aircrack on one |
| 02:29.20 | A1BaTrOs | this might be stupid but...if i try this principle redirecting a subdomain to another and then to the linux machine? does it actually work? |
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| 02:30.20 | A1BaTrOs | sorry but $ is not really my best friend lately :D |
| 02:30.48 | mi11k1 | I don't know, maybe a VPN? |
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| 02:31.29 | mi11k1 | Well, on a vps you can put the server right on it for the game |
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| 02:32.03 | abrotman | A1BaTrOs: How is this related to Debian? |
| 02:32.08 | cjen129 | hi. why are my usb 3.0 transfer speeds transferng at usb 2.0 or less speeds? |
| 02:32.11 | x86_64 | <x86_64> i tried ¨dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration¨ and chose US-International with AltGr on the right Alt key but i cant type dead keys |
| 02:32.11 | x86_64 | <x86_64> im not using X but using tty |
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| 02:32.45 | mi11k1 | cjen129: is it plugged into 3.0 port? |
| 02:32.56 | cjen129 | yes |
| 02:32.58 | A1BaTrOs | probably is shortly skidding away from debian, main point is the "server" is a debian machine :D |
| 02:33.20 | cjen129 | usb 3 flash drive and usb port in computer |
| 02:33.39 | mi11k1 | cjen129: run dmesg and see what is up |
| 02:34.16 | `alexandr | cjen129: is the flash drive cheap? i have some cheap ones that run slow too |
| 02:34.57 | A1BaTrOs | i thought i could find help here on masking the ip of the "server" using a debian sw....maybe iptables or whatnot |
| 02:35.36 | cjen129 | just checked dmesg it detected it. no errors i can see |
| 02:35.56 | mi11k1 | A1BaTrOs: basically if you let somebody to your front door they know where you live, so you need to find a place where people will think you live |
| 02:35.59 | cjen129 | no alexandr. it gets 130mb/s in windows |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | cjen129: what is your kernel? |
| 02:36.20 | `alexandr | A1BaTrOs: iptables and masquerading might work but nothing on the internet is fully anonymous really |
| 02:36.25 | cjen129 | abrotman, 3.16 stable kernel |
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| 02:37.03 | A1BaTrOs | well...i should be anonymous for tracert or ping noobbbs |
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| 02:37.54 | mi11k1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.26 | abrotman | can we just move on .. |
| 02:38.28 | A1BaTrOs | there was somebody flooding me with bots(or whatever) joining the minecraft server for no reason a few days ago |
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| 02:38.55 | mi11k1 | Haha, I don't know man. Lol |
| 02:39.09 | mi11k1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.32 | A1BaTrOs | i read a bit on google and wiki that proxy might be a sollution but, i'm open for other free sollutions i could find and install on the machine |
| 02:39.39 | cjen129 | hey i just noticed my dmesg is flooded with [UFW BLOCK] messages for wlan0 |
| 02:40.02 | A1BaTrOs | nice on mi11k1 |
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| 02:40.14 | `alexandr | A1BaTrOs: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure griefer-shield' jkjk |
| 02:40.20 | A1BaTrOs | like it could possibly pe working |
| 02:40.30 | mi11k1 | A1BaTrOs: go to hide my ass.com, and they have free proxies you could try |
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| 02:41.00 | tlolczyk | How do you TRIM a swap partition? |
| 02:41.13 | mi11k1 | Gparted |
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| 02:41.41 | `alexandr | A1BaTrOs: just make a whitelist server and only give access to players you want |
| 02:41.48 | A1BaTrOs | ok i'll read abt griefer-shield, thanks alexandr |
| 02:42.14 | tlolczyk | mi11k1, was that Gparted for me? |
| 02:42.15 | A1BaTrOs | and hide.my ass,com sound familiar, i'll give it a try, thanks mi11k1 |
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| 02:42.56 | mi11k1 | tlolczyk: yes, just unmounted and resize it |
| 02:43.26 | A1BaTrOs | alexandr that would mean i make a connection between my website and mc server so they can register/whitelist |
| 02:44.01 | `alexandr | cjen129: UFW is your firewall right? check the logs to see what it is |
| 02:44.43 | mi11k1 | A1BaTrOs: it might be just as simple as to set the firewall to block ping request or whatever |
| 02:44.57 | A1BaTrOs | great ideas guys, thanks a million |
| 02:45.26 | A1BaTrOs | thing is that guy isn't sending ping requests |
| 02:45.46 | A1BaTrOs | the crappy bots join the server in-game |
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| 02:46.14 | A1BaTrOs | and floods the whole damn app and forces me to restart it more frequen |
| 02:46.58 | A1BaTrOs | restart the app, not the whole machine, doesn't even bother the machine too much |
| 02:47.21 | `alexandr | A1BaTrOs: there is an AntiBot plugin for servers you could look into as well |
| 02:48.01 | mi11k1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.02 | A1BaTrOs | i did but there's something wrong about spigot that isn't allways working or not working at all |
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| 02:49.06 | tlolczyk | Thanks mi11k1 |
| 02:49.13 | `alexandr | i dont know what that is?? im just searching on ddg :) |
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| 02:49.51 | A1BaTrOs | as long as the website has google-capcha, probably the bots will not solve it, whitelisting them on registration and then they can join....makes so much sense and it's easy |
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| 02:51.02 | A1BaTrOs | and somewhere in-between i'll decide where to hide.myass.com |
| 02:51.32 | `alexandr | is debian full-on systemd now or are there any rusty corners to watch out for? |
| 02:51.34 | A1BaTrOs | thanks so much and enjoy your day |
| 02:51.59 | `alexandr | A1BaTrOs: no problem! you too |
| 02:52.41 | ilteris | hey guys, I am installing Debian for the first time, on my 10 year old g4 laptop. I am excited however, I am wondering what GUI should I be choosing on the installation, I would like it to be light yet usable. Is this going into too much personal taste? |
| 02:53.05 | A1BaTrOs | thank you, have a good one, bye |
| 02:53.17 | ilteris | I am following this guide fwiw http://powerpcliberation.blogspot.ca/2013/07/quick-and-dirty-light-and-fast.html |
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| 02:54.26 | BuzzardBuzz | ilteris, did you like the look and feel of the old gnome? if you did you should try LXDE |
| 02:54.37 | jaybe | xfce4 as well |
| 02:54.54 | `alexandr | ilteris: lxde is impressive on older hardware and more complete than just a window manager. i used xfce without problems on a 10 year acer too |
| 02:55.17 | ilteris | BuzzardBuzz perfect. I think I will go with LXDE then |
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| 02:55.31 | `alexandr | xfce might be a bit more polished if youre picky about that sort of thing |
| 02:55.31 | ilteris | (since the guide also uses that one) |
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| 02:57.01 | ilteris | checking it, it looks cool indeed |
| 02:57.39 | ilteris | what's the difference between xfce and lxde? I gotta read more on that one. |
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| 02:58.38 | ilteris | in any case, should I be just choosing it in the install or just do a standard system utilities only install and t hen install it with apt-get? |
| 03:00.28 | `alexandr | ilteris: thats how i do it. if you have space on the hd you can always install both. installing from within the installer might setup a login manager though which would be nice. if someone could verify that please? |
| 03:03.57 | ilteris | `alexandr Great I am going with xfce then, let's see how that works out. Thanks! |
| 03:05.14 | `alexandr | ilteris no problem |
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| 03:39.01 | ilteris | `alexandr do you generally just apt-get install xfce4 or do xfce4 xfce4-goodies? |
| 03:39.17 | x86_64 | <x86_64> i tried ¨dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration¨ and chose US-International with AltGr on the right Alt key but i cant type dead keys |
| 03:39.17 | x86_64 | <x86_64> im not using X but using tty |
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| 03:43.10 | homecable | hey |
| 03:43.30 | homecable | whats the best way to mirror drives in debian installer |
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| 03:44.45 | knivsta | hi |
| 03:44.57 | `alexandr | ilteris i always use the goodies. you can get by without them but they make the whole environment much more comfortable |
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| 03:45.53 | ilteris | `alexandr gotcha. installing them now. |
| 03:45.57 | `alexandr | ilteris and they dont seem to weigh anything down either so it doesnt hurt to grab them |
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| 03:46.08 | ilteris | `alexandr agreed. |
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| 03:50.26 | ilteris | `alexandr do I have to do anything special to boot from xfce? I basically apt-get it and goodies and reboot, and computer reboot but back to debian login shell |
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| 03:51.48 | `alexandr | ilteris you can install a display manager like lightdm (apt-get install lightdm) |
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| 03:53.27 | `alexandr | ilteris there is also slim and gdm but gdm pulls a lot of gnome with it so its pretty heavy |
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| 03:54.17 | ilteris | so I guess display manager is the loader for the window manager then |
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| 03:55.32 | `alexandr | ilteris yup it handles logins and gives the option of changing window managers easily |
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| 03:57.38 | `alexandr | ilteris once its installed youll have to run 'sudo service lightdm enable' or slim or whatever |
| 03:58.11 | ilteris | `alexandr I was reading this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9249688/run-xfce-on-startup-debian |
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| 04:02.52 | `alexandr | ilteris that was from before debian switched over to systemd so certain things work a little differently now |
| 04:03.26 | ilteris | `alexandr oh. I already installed slim. let me go and read about it then |
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| 04:04.13 | `alexandr | ilteris cool. the debian wiki is a great place for common examples |
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| 04:13.36 | someHuman | Hi! |
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| 04:13.53 | someHuman | I can't seem to see an option wherein I could assign a title to a terminal window. |
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| 04:14.07 | someHuman | I don't see it in Preferences nor Profile Preferences. |
| 04:14.13 | someHuman | I use Gnome terminal. |
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| 04:15.55 | `alexandr | someHuman there is a way to do it with bash |
| 04:17.08 | `alexandr | someHuman using a search engine should lead you to a lot of stackoverflow q and a's |
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| 04:19.34 | `alexandr | someHuman you could also try '[nameOfTerminal] -name [name] -e [appToUse]' |
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| 04:34.00 | x86_64 | f***ing SAMSUNG is why i use non-free knivsta |
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| 04:34.41 | ryouma | why does think penguin list a whole bunch of distros but not debian? |
| 04:34.42 | swordsmanz | x86_64 why are you curseing at samsung ? |
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| 04:35.06 | knivsta | x86_64, hehe :) |
| 04:35.27 | knivsta | ryouma, who is Penguin? |
| 04:35.29 | x86_64 | because it doesnt work with linux and doesnt do what i want. I paid with my haard earned cashed and took time to do research but FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN |
| 04:35.49 | ryouma | knivsta: a prominent turnkey linux computer supplier |
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| 04:36.41 | swordsmanz | ryouma becouse they only actually suport ubuntu |
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| 04:37.09 | ryouma | swordsmanz: why? |
| 04:37.21 | ryouma | they list a whole bunch |
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| 04:37.26 | swordsmanz | ryouma proberbly for suport package simplicity |
| 04:37.27 | ryouma | trisquel included |
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| 04:37.52 | ryouma | i had thought that debian was like #6 on distrowatch or whatever that is |
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| 04:38.03 | swordsmanz | ryouma that is also an ubuntu redistro |
| 04:38.46 | ryouma | huh |
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| 04:41.56 | knivsta | ryouma, ThinkPenguin? |
| 04:41.59 | knivsta | They do list Debian |
| 04:42.11 | knivsta | you are completely oblivious I guess hehe |
| 04:43.02 | ryouma | knivsta: i guess. i looked carefully. |
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| 04:44.24 | ryouma | debian does not appear e.g. here https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-pro-5-gnu-linux-desktop . "Supported distributions: Trisquel 6, 6.01, 7 Ubuntu 13.10, 14.04, 14.10, 15.04 Kubuntu 13.10, 14.04, 14.10, 15.04 Lubuntu 13.10, 14.04, 14.10, 15.04 Peppermint Linux OS 5, 6 LinuxMint 16, 17, 17.1, 17.2" |
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| 04:45.02 | ryouma | they don't list hardware specifics though, so dunno if i'm interested. but wanted to make sure i knew what would work with debian. |
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| 05:02.26 | aarcane | in debian 8.1, is lxde based on LXDE or LXQT ? |
| 05:03.40 | pencilandpaper | i think that its based on lxde aarcane. |
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| 05:17.13 | pencilandpaper | do you want to check out lxqt aarcane? |
| 05:17.28 | pencilandpaper | i can show you how to do that if you are interested in checking it out? |
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| 05:31.58 | DavidBla | ../source3/auth/user_krb5.c:164(get_user_from_kerberos_info) Username DOMAINNAME\username is invalid on this system |
| 05:31.58 | DavidBla | Hey, do anyone use a debian samba server witch is integrated in a windows domain? I dont get this authentication to work...getent shows my domain users but without a Domain part before or after. wbinfo works but su domainuser dont. my smb log files end up with: |
| 05:32.04 | DavidBla | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.12 | DavidBla | ../source3/smbd/server_exit.c:221(exit_server_common) Server exit (NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_RESET) |
| 05:32.28 | DavidBla | (when i try to access servers share from windows client |
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| 05:40.48 | except | Here are the results of a little performance testing of USB Attached SCSI: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cf13d6c831b69eec5238 |
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| 05:42.00 | iateadonut | a chinese company made an exact version of our customer's site. i'm wondering where's a good room to discuss this type of security issue? |
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| 05:50.22 | someHuman | Hi! |
| 05:50.44 | someHuman | I've been doing encryption on my 1 TB external storage for hours now. |
| 05:50.49 | someHuman | Probably like 3 - 4? |
| 05:51.09 | someHuman | I chose the slow mode of erasing data on it via Disks. |
| 05:51.12 | someHuman | Is this normal? |
| 05:51.30 | someHuman | I think someone told me here that it is. |
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| 05:53.22 | DavidBla | what software do you use? |
| 05:54.49 | logicalrock | a |
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| 06:11.13 | logicalrock | #flood |
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| 06:12.31 | jdawg94 | hey |
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| 06:14.06 | jdawg94 | I need help with installing 32 bit java |
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| 06:18.05 | pezus | can anyone help me with building a deb-package? |
| 06:18.48 | pezus | i try to run dh_builddeb but how do i use it correctly? |
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| 06:19.11 | pezus | i have a directory with several files including a "debian/control"-file |
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| 06:23.31 | themill | pezus: what are you actually trying to do here? |
| 06:24.16 | pezus | i have a directory-structure which should be the same as the directory where i want to build the deb file |
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| 06:24.36 | BuzzardBuzz | http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
| 06:24.47 | pezus | and i want to make a deb-file which i can install later on more hosts via dpkg |
| 06:25.00 | themill | pezus: "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" is the canonical way of building the package |
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| 06:27.23 | pezus | themill: thanks for the reply. i'll look into it |
| 06:27.29 | themill | !nmg |
| 06:27.29 | dpkg_ | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 06:28.14 | themill | pezus: for each <keyword>, you can «/msg dpkg keyword» to learn some more |
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| 06:32.16 | jackshw | Hey, anyone there? |
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| 06:33.11 | r6ku | yes |
| 06:33.27 | jackshw | Would you be able to hlep me with installing 32bit java on debian? |
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| 06:35.24 | r6ku | on a 64-bit system? you need to enable i386 architecture to be able to run 32-bit programs https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 06:35.56 | jackshw | Yeah, I already did that |
| 06:35.59 | jackshw | but im stuck now |
| 06:36.15 | r6ku | what's the problem? |
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| 06:36.41 | jackshw | I dont know how to install 32 bit java |
| 06:36.47 | jackshw | when I install java it auto installs 64 bit |
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| 06:37.45 | themill | jackshw: which release of debian is this? |
| 06:37.48 | r6ku | did you install the 32bit version of the package? it's marked with :i386 at the end of the package name |
| 06:37.49 | jackshw | 7.0 |
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| 06:38.04 | jackshw | im not sure how to do that lol |
| 06:38.22 | r6ku | open your package manager and search for it, it should be in there |
| 06:38.56 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:39.15 | r6ku | also don't forget to update your sources |
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| 06:39.58 | pezus | dpkg_: thanks for the reply! i guess a problem here is that my directory-structure has nothing to "make". it's already the way it should be on the system. |
| 06:41.28 | themill | pezus: ahh. If you want to use package up files into a .deb, then you want "dpkg-deb -b" but you'll still have to make some metadata files. |
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| 06:43.40 | pezus | themill: yeah, but dpkg-deb searches for "DEBIAN/control" while dh_make created "debian/control" |
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| 06:44.30 | themill | pezus: dh_make is about making a package that will be built by dpkg-buildpackage. |
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| 06:46.43 | pezus | themill: ok, perhaps more context, sorry for confusion: eventually i want to upload the file to a repo. when uploading, it checks several files in the deb package but can't find files because it looks in "$package/debian" instead of "$package/DEBIAN" |
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| 06:47.07 | pezus | and dh_make creates files needed quite nicely |
| 06:48.19 | themill | not really. the files in debian/ that dh_make is creating are for the source package. They are similar but the same as the files in DEBIAN/ which go into the binary package. The files for the binary package are normally synthesised from the source package by means of the debian/rules and various dh_* commands. |
| 06:48.36 | themill | *but NOT the same… |
| 06:49.17 | pezus | oh, ok... |
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| 06:50.32 | pezus | is it possible to circumvent it and place the same files beneath DEBIAN and debian and just call dpkg-deb? |
| 06:50.51 | themill | pezus: So, you either need to actually build a source package that can be compiled with dpkg-buildpackage (where compile might just mean a debian/foo.install file that copies your files to the right locations) or you have to make everything needed for a binary package and put it in the right place so you can just make the .deb out of it |
| 06:51.15 | themill | pezus: you wouldn't have a debian/ if you're going to just use dpkg-deb; |
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| 06:53.25 | pezus | themill: hehe, yeah, i wouldn't have it but if it is part of my directory structure i guess dpkg-deb will ignore it and while uploading the deb file to the repo it would still be found. but i will try to just make an "install" with copying files. thank you very much for help! |
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| 06:58.18 | someHuman | DavidBla: Disks |
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| 06:58.47 | someHuman | DavidBla: I don't know, something tells me that it doesn't have to take this long for my 1 TB external storage to be encrypted. |
| 06:58.51 | someHuman | It's weird. |
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| 07:07.23 | ra0 | Hi all |
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| 07:08.34 | ra0 | https://wiki.debian.org/Backports#Installing_backports_on_the_command_line gives aptitude -t ... as an example of using backports, but aptitude doesn't seem to accept a 't' option on jessie |
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| 07:09.13 | ra0 | How does backports work now? |
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| 07:14.22 | ra0 | Oh, apt-get has a target-release option which I missed the first time through :) |
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| 07:17.22 | themill | ra0: aptitude still has a -t in jessie |
| 07:17.26 | xarragon_ | Hello, when I installed the 'Desktop / XFCE' preset in Jessie from the debian installer, it came with an awesome wifi manager/applet. I can not seem to find it now, using apt. Was it Wicd or network-manager? |
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| 07:17.59 | xarragon_ | (I installed another machine and chose only base install, adding graphical environment afer) |
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| 07:19.14 | xarragon_ | Is there any way to list which packages the predefined install sets use? |
| 07:19.59 | themill | most likely nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
| 07:20.03 | r6ku | yup |
| 07:20.50 | xarragon | Ok, thank you very much! I thought wicd worked that great anyway. |
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| 07:26.57 | nezZario | Is there a way to downgrade from Strech to Jessie ? |
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| 07:27.29 | si_kabayan | Hi, I want to create a tarball with timestamp in it's name, but it's always failed |
| 07:27.35 | si_kabayan | tar cf projects-$(uname -n)-$(date +%F-%T).tar.gz projects |
| 07:28.00 | si_kabayan | I think its because the %T format that have colon in it |
| 07:28.03 | nezZario | whats your error? |
| 07:28.12 | nezZario | easy way to test -- replace tar cf with echo |
| 07:28.15 | si_kabayan | tar: Cannot connect to projects-sid-2015-07-16-14: resolve failed |
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| 07:28.33 | si_kabayan | As you can see, only hour than printed |
| 07:28.53 | nezZario | pretty sure it's your :, try #bash though, they might can help you quicker, not sure if anyone is here |
| 07:28.57 | nezZario | and my bash fu is pretty weak |
| 07:29.28 | si_kabayan | Thanx .. ;) |
| 07:29.47 | xarragon | themill: That was it, just had to start the nm-applet manually. |
| 07:29.53 | xarragon | themill: Many thanks! |
| 07:29.56 | themill | excellent |
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| 07:31.01 | xarragon | themill: Also seems like the installer placed a file for autostarting it in the future: /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop |
| 07:31.19 | themill | sounds about right. You might need to tell your DE to obey that |
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| 07:31.34 | nezZario | hey ok well in the mean-time |
| 07:31.36 | themill | si_kabayan: tar is interpreting the thing before : as a hostname. Try a different time format |
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| 07:32.01 | si_kabayan | themill: enlightened me |
| 07:32.04 | nezZario | I tried to install hhvm which isn't supported on jessie. I used update alternatives like this: sudo /usr/bin/update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/php php /usr/bin/hhvm 60 |
| 07:32.10 | nezZario | how do I undo that? |
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| 07:33.37 | nezZario | ahh cool, nevermind it, just needed to rtfm |
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| 07:33.51 | si_kabayan | Yeah, I ended with date +%F-%H.%M |
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| 07:34.54 | themill | si_kabayan: yeah, anything like that |
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| 07:46.37 | Chetic | is there a dpkg command to read the control file of a debian package file? |
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| 08:06.22 | JordanJ2 | Hello everyone! I'm getting the error where the package is not available, but referred to by another package on every package I try to install (Debian 7.8, fresh install) sources.list looks like https://imgur.com/YCIvdH7 |
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| 08:11.11 | JordanJ2 | Fixed that. |
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| 08:13.47 | si_kabayan | Chetic: aptitude show <package_name>? |
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| 08:14.37 | Chetic | si_kabayan: that works on the repository, but I don't have this package in my repository |
| 08:14.57 | Chetic | I want to specify a debian package file, not a package in a repository |
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| 08:20.13 | madrik | Chetic: try this $ dpkg-deb --control foo.deb |
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| 08:20.54 | Chetic | madrik: nope |
| 08:21.03 | Chetic | nothing happened, heh |
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| 08:21.27 | madrik | What? Didn't it generate a new DEBIAN dir? |
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| 08:22.31 | nkuttler | Chetic: devscripts maybe, not sure |
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| 08:23.49 | Chetic | madrik: sorry yes it did |
| 08:23.56 | Chetic | and that works ok I guess :) thanks |
| 08:24.02 | madrik | sure |
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| 08:28.07 | nezZario | What file would I check to see why a filesystem is being remounted as readonly (as in fstab option errors=remount-ro) |
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| 08:29.54 | nezZario | Heh, nevermind. |
| 08:30.00 | nezZario | I ran fsck on it now it won't boot |
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| 08:36.22 | Psy-Q | i nuked the win partition from this laptop and tried to move the /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft dir out of the way, then ran update-grub hoping it would remove that entry, but of course the UEFI loader still wants to load the Microsoft stuff and debian is only selectable in the manual boot menu. how can i nuke the MS loader completely and make debian default? |
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| 08:40.44 | jantwisted | hi all. I created nfs server and when I create a file on mount point from client machines, it set owner as nfsnobody, but when I create a file from server, it belongs to the user I logged in. how can I create a file from nfsnobody ? |
| 08:41.00 | talin | hello. when you apt-get upgrade on a testing/unstable release, where do you read about changes that will occur? |
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| 08:51.53 | Psy-Q | talin: there is a package that you can use, apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
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| 08:52.11 | Psy-Q | talin: they will let you know about breaking changes or big differences right as you upgrade |
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| 08:59.23 | Freebuilder | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/122105/what-is-the-difference-between-console-data-console-setup-console-common-and-c |
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| 09:10.36 | gr8 | how do I install the package python-wxgtk2.8 on debian Jessie? I can only see the 3.0 version in the main repo |
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| 09:12.59 | gr8 | this is the first time I see a debian repo version *ahead* of a required dependency ;) |
| 09:13.23 | gr8 | unfortunately I have heard that 3.0 is not backwards compatible |
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| 09:41.28 | gr8 | ok I set up the wheezy main repository on my system, I think it worked |
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| 09:42.28 | darxmurf | stupid question but if I do a rm -rf of a non existing file there is no error message and the return code is 0 |
| 09:42.31 | darxmurf | normal ? |
| 09:42.39 | themill | That's what -f does |
| 09:42.39 | darxmurf | like rm -rf /tmp/askjdhaksjhdakjshdakjshd |
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| 09:42.57 | gr8 | yes it is normal |
| 09:43.01 | darxmurf | ignore nonexistent files and arguments, never prompt |
| 09:43.02 | darxmurf | okay |
| 09:43.05 | darxmurf | sorry :) |
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| 09:52.12 | Pixer | hey folks! how you doin'? |
| 09:53.37 | Pixer | i need to prepare bootable usb |
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| 09:54.03 | Pixer | i've done it using unetbotin and dd as well |
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| 09:54.22 | Pixer | but while booting it says isolinux.bin missing |
| 09:55.05 | Dabuti | it always worked for me using dd |
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| 09:59.49 | WangDang_ | Has dpkg gone home? I just tried "/msg dpkg unetbootin" and got the error that "this nick or channel doesn't exist: dpkg". anyone know what that's about? |
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| 10:00.11 | SynrG | dpkg_: hi there |
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| 10:01.34 | SynrG | WangDang_: the issue is known and will be dealt with asap |
| 10:01.47 | WangDang_ | SynrG: OK, thanks |
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| 10:06.47 | maelknotreek | rorx:Are you related to rory at all? |
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| 10:09.01 | bazhang | maelknotreek, why are you asking that offtopic stuff here in debian |
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| 10:34.26 | gr8 | what is the difference between the repositories jessie/main, jessie-updates/main and security.debian.org/ jessie/updates ? |
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| 10:34.52 | guestwhatever | hello. I just installed debian jessie on my laptop. I'm trying to install xfce via aptitude but halfway through downloading the packages my laptop suddenly goes into sleep mode. when I wake it up by the power button the screen comes back on but the computer doesn't respond to anything except a hard reset forced by holding the power button. what's wrong? |
| 10:35.47 | guestwhatever | wait it responds to ctrl alt Fx but I don't get a prompt. I get a black creen with a cursor |
| 10:36.27 | guestwhatever | *screen |
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| 10:44.17 | BadCodSmell | How can I see all the possible configuration options for apt-get? |
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| 10:44.43 | BadCodSmell | Because they aren't in the man pages |
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| 10:53.31 | BadCodSmell | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s05s05.en.html found it |
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| 11:06.46 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 11:06.58 | Posterdati | is there a way to make a wi-fi mouse works under linux? |
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| 11:11.46 | SynrG | Posterdati: there are 802.11x mice? this is news to me |
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| 11:12.48 | Posterdati | SynrG: HP Wi-Fi mobile mouse |
| 11:13.06 | Posterdati | SynrG: seems to be a wifi direct kind of device |
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| 11:14.08 | SynrG | google it? gives me first hit: http://fabiobaltieri.com/2013/02/14/hp-wi-fi-direct-mouse-on-linux/ |
| 11:14.12 | SynrG | haven't read the whole thing |
| 11:14.42 | woshty | Is there any advantage in putting ext3 on an external hdd instead of ext4? I read something about ext4 being more likely to use data if not unmounted cleanly, but no facts were given to support that statement. |
| 11:15.00 | Posterdati | SynrGy: not working |
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| 11:15.11 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 11:15.12 | Posterdati | SynrGy: cannot create a p2p net |
| 11:16.05 | SynrG | seems that option isn't enabled in a debian kernel |
| 11:16.13 | SynrG | custom compile your own kernel |
| 11:16.13 | Posterdati | :( |
| 11:16.18 | Posterdati | good |
| 11:16.23 | manchot | if I create a dns service on 127.0.0.1:53 and another one 127.0.0.2:53, will it cause conflicts? Since they are using the same port 53 |
| 11:16.43 | SynrG | !kernel-handbook |
| 11:16.43 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 11:17.01 | SynrG | well, folks. gotta scram. off to work |
| 11:17.45 | manchot | can two loopback addresses use the same port without causing conflicts? |
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| 11:36.56 | styler2go | does anyone have an idea how to fix this issue? http://paste.linux.chat/view/1043a62b |
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| 11:38.01 | woshty | styler2go: It says something at the bottom about held packages .. |
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| 11:38.22 | styler2go | But how can i fix that? |
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| 11:39.05 | themill | dpkg: tell styler2go about bat |
| 11:42.48 | styler2go | i don't really execute any command, the porgram is trying to get it on it's own, but here the policy: http://paste.debian.net/282903/ and program output: http://paste.debian.net/282904/ |
| 11:45.54 | themill | There's *some* command that is making that output |
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| 11:49.28 | styler2go | what? |
| 11:49.34 | styler2go | which output? |
| 11:49.54 | themill | the output you put in the pastebin. |
| 11:51.35 | styler2go | yeah it's executing steam which calls that |
| 11:51.48 | themill | ick |
| 11:52.05 | themill | It'd also be good to see the output of "apt-cache policy libc6:amd64 libc6:i386 libgcc1:i386 libgcc1:amd64" would be good to see |
| 11:52.13 | themill | err... but in English. |
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| 11:54.16 | styler2go | your policy: http://paste.debian.net/282909/ and the full steam output: http://paste.debian.net/282910/ |
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| 11:56.10 | themill | ugh.. what a mess/ |
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| 11:57.01 | themill | mixing packages in from experimental onto a system running wheezy isn't going to work. Make backups and reinstall. |
| 11:57.22 | styler2go | meh nah, then i'll kust keep it liek that and won't use steam... |
| 11:57.32 | styler2go | why can't i downgrade libc6? |
| 11:59.02 | themill | and however many other packages you've installed... downgrading is completely unsupported and often doesn't work well. |
| 11:59.06 | themill | dpkg: tell styler2go about partial downgrade |
| 11:59.09 | hexnewbie | That would be `make backups, downgrade libc6 and possibly reinstall'... Well, not really - I think it might work, but surely you have other experimental packages |
| 12:00.10 | styler2go | yeah, i was using the experimental source for some time but i removed it again |
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| 12:03.24 | hexnewbie | styler2go: What does this say: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?archive(experimental))' |
| 12:03.49 | styler2go | it returns nothing |
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| 12:04.43 | hexnewbie | Hm, maybe aptitute search is still too complicated for me then... |
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| 12:10.14 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:28.57 | toothe | is it safer to install django through pip or apt-get? |
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| 12:29.46 | pfote | toothe: if you need bleeding edge use pip, otherwise stick with the debian version |
| 12:30.51 | toothe | makes sense... |
| 12:30.51 | dariopnc | hi everyone, I just installed debian jessie on my new pc but I cannot get my wifi to work reliably: after a few minutes connection drops, can someone help me? here's my syslog http://pastebin.com/yDWK9NcN |
| 12:31.00 | toothe | pfote: But what about thing slike python-docx ? |
| 12:31.26 | pfote | toothe: what about them? |
| 12:31.31 | toothe | apt-get? |
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| 12:31.42 | pfote | sure |
| 12:31.44 | toothe | pfote: I'm quite new to Debian, switched from Mint/Ubunut. |
| 12:31.50 | toothe | Having a bit of trouble with a few things...actually, these are small |
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| 12:31.56 | pfote | i see |
| 12:31.56 | toothe | the bigger things are my webcam and google hangouts |
| 12:33.02 | swift110-phone | Hey toothe |
| 12:33.06 | toothe | yes? |
| 12:33.09 | abrotman | toothe: Hangouts works fine, browser and pidgin |
| 12:33.15 | toothe | which browser? |
| 12:33.24 | abrotman | Iceweasel and Chrome |
| 12:33.32 | toothe | I'm using chromium... |
| 12:33.37 | toothe | well, iceweasel doesn't even play youtube videos |
| 12:33.40 | abrotman | well, yes, chromium |
| 12:33.59 | abrotman | toothe: did you install the flash plugin? or are you trying HTML5 videos? |
| 12:34.01 | toothe | whoa, there it goes... |
| 12:34.19 | toothe | let me try a newer video, this is an older one and might be using flash |
| 12:34.24 | toothe | abrotman: I'm not sure. |
| 12:34.31 | abrotman | thought Youtube switched to all HTML5 |
| 12:34.39 | toothe | they were inconsistent for some time |
| 12:35.24 | toothe | "Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video." |
| 12:35.28 | toothe | That's using iceweasel. |
| 12:35.52 | toothe | Chromium will play the video, but won't let me join Google Hangouts - let me find the error... |
| 12:35.55 | abrotman | Eh, haven't had that happen for HTML5 videos at all |
| 12:36.02 | abrotman | in IW or Chromium |
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| 12:36.42 | toothe | it says "Couldn't start the video call because of an error." |
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| 12:36.56 | toothe | hm...not sure what to do.... |
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| 12:37.05 | toothe | this is a big problem for me, potentially resulting in Mint or Ubuntu |
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| 12:37.41 | abrotman | toothe: usually you have to allow a plugin |
| 12:37.50 | abrotman | toothe: have you installed the pepperflash or other flash? |
| 12:37.51 | toothe | abrotman: I did or flash, i noticed. |
| 12:37.52 | toothe | no. |
| 12:38.04 | toothe | apt-get install pepperflash? |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | I think it's pepperflash-plugin-nonfree |
| 12:38.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell toothe about nonfree |
| 12:38.30 | toothe | I know of non-free :-) |
| 12:38.40 | toothe | ohh, i thought you said "don't tell" |
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| 12:41.39 | toothe | abrotman: Okay, I'm a little stck. |
| 12:42.09 | toothe | i installed pepperflash-plugin-nonfree, but I get the same result. |
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| 12:43.01 | hexnewbie | toothe: With Chromium? |
| 12:43.07 | toothe | IW |
| 12:43.07 | BluesKaj | toothe, I recommend chrome over chromium, it plays flash fine using it's own built in version ...dunno why it's not included in chromium |
| 12:43.18 | abrotman | toothe: restart the browser (also, run update-pepperflash-nonfree --install) |
| 12:43.21 | hexnewbie | toothe: pepperflash is only for Chromium |
| 12:43.33 | abrotman | or whgatever the update script is |
| 12:43.35 | toothe | abrotman: run that how? |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | toothe: as root/sudo whatever you choose |
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| 12:44.00 | toothe | oh, misunderstood. let me do that... |
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| 12:44.59 | toothe | IW prompts me to install flash (through the installation process is broken) |
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| 12:45.13 | abrotman | toothe: install the flashplugin-nonfree if you want it in IW |
| 12:45.23 | abrotman | (and run a similar update script) |
| 12:45.26 | toothe | abrotman: So, I don't think I have that command. |
| 12:45.43 | abrotman | judd: file update-pepper |
| 12:45.44 | toothe | sudo update-pepperflash-nonfree --install |
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| 12:45.48 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 12:45.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 12:45.53 | toothe | sudo: update-pepperflash-nonfree: command not found |
| 12:46.02 | abrotman | toothe: sudo su - |
| 12:46.14 | abrotman | toothe: type "update-pepp<tab><tab>" see what it calls it |
| 12:46.16 | toothe | command not found |
| 12:46.27 | toothe | none there. |
| 12:46.40 | hexnewbie | toothe: I update it with `dpkg-reconfigure pepperflashplugin-nonfree'. Don't sure if there are any downsides to that. |
| 12:46.42 | abrotman | goes to look |
| 12:46.42 | toothe | oh wait, the apt-get failed....no such package. |
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| 12:47.05 | abrotman | toothe: pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:47.26 | toothe | there it goes...how did you find the actual name? |
| 12:47.32 | abrotman | and then the script is : update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 12:47.37 | toothe | as root or the user? |
| 12:47.49 | abrotman | root |
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| 12:48.00 | abrotman | toothe: apt-cache search pepper |
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| 12:48.51 | toothe | I was prompted to install flash again |
| 12:48.55 | toothe | in firefox/IW |
| 12:49.06 | toothe | "Iceweasel is not checking for available plugins..." |
| 12:49.11 | hexnewbie | toothe: You need flashplugin-nonfree for Iceweasel |
| 12:49.18 | toothe | ohh.... |
| 12:49.20 | toothe | different plugin. |
| 12:49.36 | toothe | I apologize for my ignroance, this is all new to me. |
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| 12:49.58 | hexnewbie | Firefox doesn't support the Pepper API. There's a freshplayer wrapper, but it isn't in Debian and doesn't support Chromium's sandboxing... So it might be a bad idea |
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| 12:51.14 | abrotman | toothe: the whole Flash thing is annoying, in so many ways |
| 12:51.31 | toothe | yeah... |
| 12:51.54 | toothe | "This plugin has security vulnerabilities." |
| 12:51.54 | toothe | Ha! |
| 12:52.09 | toothe | well, it works now... |
| 12:52.16 | toothe | but that message is disconcering |
| 12:52.23 | BluesKaj | shrugs , like said earlier, install chrome instead of chromium |
| 12:52.35 | BluesKaj | bbiab |
| 12:52.46 | toothe | hm..this worked on Mint... |
| 12:52.56 | hexnewbie | toothe: Look at it from the bright side: Back in the day, it was just as insecure, but you didn't get a message to tell you that for you to ignore :) |
| 12:53.18 | abrotman | toothe: well, this is sort of new. Because of hte Hacking Tools crack, the browsers have been warning folks about older plugins |
| 12:53.26 | BluesKaj | mint isn't debian |
| 12:53.37 | toothe | hexnewbie: lol, true. |
| 12:54.23 | toothe | google tells me that IW isn't firefox. That's kinda funny. |
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| 12:55.40 | hexnewbie | Well, you could apt-get install xul-ext-useragentswitcher |
| 12:55.49 | toothe | yeah, i might. |
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| 12:58.59 | hexnewbie | I have to wonder, why didn't Debian skip the "Iceweasel/XX.X.X" bit in the UA. I mean the browser is identical from web server's perspective and I doubt it would have violated Mozilla's trademark requirements and such... And web sites are so fussy about user agents it makes you uncomfortable. |
| 12:59.31 | toothe | this appears to be a bug in Chromium... |
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| 12:59.35 | hexnewbie | BBC doesn't work in SeaMonkey, for example. |
| 12:59.44 | abrotman | toothe: what is this? |
| 12:59.56 | toothe | abrotman: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/hangouts/ahAEl7XU7-Q/6I8cFS4Sl-IJ |
| 13:00.04 | toothe | basically, Chromium can't do google hangouts |
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| 13:00.29 | abrotman | oh, the UA tihng? |
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| 13:00.37 | toothe | maybe... |
| 13:00.47 | toothe | i mean, i dunno what's causing it |
| 13:00.53 | toothe | but, per this post, a lot of people experienced this issue. |
| 13:00.57 | toothe | Chromium not working on google hagnouts |
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| 13:02.48 | vandox | How to fix 'invalid ELF header' on libgio ? |
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| 13:03.55 | abrotman | vandox: file /path/to/file .. what does it say? |
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| 13:04.08 | dariopnc | I just installed debian jessie on my new pc but I cannot get my wifi to work reliably: after a few minutes connection drops, can someone help me? here's my syslog http://pastebin.com/yDWK9NcN |
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| 13:05.25 | vandox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:06.18 | hexnewbie | file -L /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0 |
| 13:07.15 | vandox | zlib compressed data |
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| 13:07.18 | vandox | Abrotman |
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| 13:08.34 | hexnewbie | vandox: Did you have recent file system corruption recovered with fsck? What is your FS? |
| 13:08.41 | themill | !debsums |
| 13:08.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 13:10.18 | hexnewbie | vandox: Also: zcat /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0 > /tmp/libgio.broken; file /tmp/libgio.broken |
| 13:10.39 | hexnewbie | vandox: Though first check how big it is, because it is huge it might fill your /tmp/ |
| 13:11.00 | vandox | ext3 |
| 13:11.03 | vandox | Is the fs |
| 13:11.04 | hexnewbie | vandox: And you could less /tmp/libgio.broken to see if anything familiar is inside |
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| 13:11.54 | hexnewbie | I had my fstab as /bin/bash after I messed up my xfs. But ext3 doesn't break *that* badly. |
| 13:11.57 | toothe | well...flash is screwy |
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| 13:13.17 | vandox | hexnewbie: 'not in gzip format' |
| 13:14.39 | vandox | Also empty |
| 13:14.43 | hexnewbie | vandox: OK, so maybe the `file' output was a false positive identification. You could try pressing F3 in mc over the original file, though. |
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| 13:15.25 | hexnewbie | vandox: You can reinstall libglib2.0-0 to fix the current issue, but it might be larger than it appears to be. |
| 13:16.16 | hexnewbie | vandox: So it is probably best to find what caused it, and see if anything else is broken. I don't know if debsums can easily check *all* the packages on your systems, but it's probably a good idea to check it out |
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| 13:16.28 | vandox | Reinstall worked |
| 13:16.58 | vandox | Well, recently i had to recover grub after windows, which is installed on the same ssd, went down in a bsod |
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| 13:17.37 | hexnewbie | Do you have an ext3 driver installed in Windows? |
| 13:17.48 | hexnewbie | I mean, one used to access your root filesystem |
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| 13:19.45 | vandox | No |
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| 13:20.17 | hexnewbie | It shouldn't mess with your root filesystem then, it has to be something else |
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| 13:30.24 | vandox | hexnewbie: before that it worked fine |
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| 13:43.49 | woshty | How do I get USB hdds to slow down my system less? I thought it would have been solved, but is not in Jessie |
| 13:44.09 | nezZario | huh ? |
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| 13:47.04 | Stummi | woshty, buy a faster HDD? Switch to USB3? |
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| 13:48.15 | jelly | woshty: amusingly, even usb2 disks seem to work better with a usb3 host/port |
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| 13:50.11 | woshty | jelly: strange, I will give it a try with something that supports usb3 |
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| 13:51.52 | SynrG | hmm. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42824/why-does-my-desktop-lock-up-when-i-copy-lots-of-files-to-a-usb-drive looks interesting |
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| 13:54.26 | jamesawagner3 | My new mainboard doesn't have a floppy connector so I finally had no choice but to remove the fdd from the case. May you rest in peace, /dev/fd0, you will be missed. :'( |
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| 13:56.03 | Psy-Q | i will rip the /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft right out of my efi partition as soon as i can figure out how to stop it from trying to boot that anyway by default |
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| 14:01.08 | abrotman | jamesawagner3: they make USB floppies :) |
| 14:03.08 | jamesawagner3 | But it still won't be /dev/fd0! Seriously though, maybe I can donate some of my old junk to a mueseum in like another couple decades. |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | it can be .. :) |
| 14:03.49 | jamesawagner3 | I'm looking at three fdds right now, and they all work. They're just not good for much. |
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| 14:07.42 | otirc | hey guys, is it safe to run apt-get upgrade on a production server, or should I install patches individually? |
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| 14:09.16 | rootd00d | otirc: "depends." |
| 14:09.30 | SynrG | otirc: from what to what? it is recommended you keep your production server up to date with stable security uploads |
| 14:10.01 | otirc | yes, but worried about mysql going down |
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| 14:10.40 | rootd00d | otirc: "just do it." |
| 14:11.28 | rootd00d | otirc: perhaps constain apt to just touch mysql, should you wish. |
| 14:11.46 | SynrG | i doubt if that harms open connections to it |
| 14:12.22 | woshty | SynrG: I like the one with the oxid removal .. ;) but are those hugepages not good for something else? |
| 14:12.29 | otirc | rootd00d: I like the nike attitude, just wondered if there was a perfered method |
| 14:13.21 | rootd00d | otirc: do apt-get upgrade -s, and see what packages are getting updated. |
| 14:14.00 | rootd00d | otirc: check the version numbers. if you see like version x.y.z-1 going to x.y.z-2, you're usually pretty safe as far as breaking the service. |
| 14:14.13 | rootd00d | otirc: you don't have to worry about, say, engine/data compatibility issues. |
| 14:14.28 | otirc | cheers rootd00d, thanks for that |
| 14:14.34 | rootd00d | otirc: that said, there could be a flaw in the package. however, if you're using a stable release, then you shouldn't have to worry too much about that. |
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| 14:15.25 | SynrG | hm. i suppose it will go down briefly, and an unlucky user could try accessing it during that downtime, and the bigger the upgrade, the longer the potential downtime. |
| 14:15.52 | rootd00d | otirc: the last place i was at, i was helping folks hold hands to do a minor revision update on oracle. it was so painful to watch. i was like, guys, there's a 7 minute video on youtube of a fellah doing the same thing, and you're spinning up 2 backup dbs... one in rackspace, and the other in aws, meanwhile, your customer is fucking pissed cause feature A doesn't work, and you're going to turn this into p |
| 14:15.55 | SynrG | hopefully the application is robust in the face of temporary unavailability of the database |
| 14:15.58 | rootd00d | aranoia week. |
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| 14:16.49 | SynrG | it's always nice if you can schedule system upgrades for "off hours" (can be difficult if your service has a worldwide user base, i know) |
| 14:17.02 | rootd00d | SynrG: i guess i was assuming he had a "maintenance window." so hopefully, it's not at all like the tomcat java app stack they were on. |
| 14:17.28 | rootd00d | like... how old is memcached now. seriously. you had all this time... |
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| 14:18.59 | rootd00d | their stack was apache "gateway" to half a dozen jk_mounted tomcat apps, all clinging for dear life to a set of dbs. like, 10 servers in each AWS region, minimum. |
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| 14:36.49 | nezZario | rootd00d, one time I did some math, the best time for a maintenance window is I think 2AM Central |
| 14:37.05 | nezZario | for a US userbase. it puts the most users in the most off-peak hours by timezone |
| 14:37.16 | jamesawagner3 | nezZario: Unless you're an adult site; just sayin' |
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| 14:37.26 | nezZario | ^ this guy :) |
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| 14:38.09 | nezZario | or if you cater to a specific timezone too.. but assuming normal business hours users evenly distributed across all TZ |
| 14:38.32 | nezZario | or, distributed the same as their actual population sizes |
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| 14:46.48 | jamesawagner3 | That feeling when you're doing a netinst, and your nic needs firmware. Good thing I have flashdrives galore. |
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| 14:47.43 | colo-work | is it possible to install jessie without having sysv-rc (and other sysv-init friends) on the system in the first place; only systemd? |
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| 14:51.04 | guestwhatever | hello. I just installed debian jessie on my laptop. I'm trying to install xfce via aptitude but halfway through downloading the packages my laptop suddenly goes into sleep mode. when I wake it up by the power button the screen comes back on but the computer doesn't respond to anything except ctrl+alt+Fx and that gives me no prompt, only a blank screen with a cursor. what is wrong here? |
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| 14:54.00 | bilakos10 | do you use your laptop while it downloads all the apropriate packages ? |
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| 14:54.16 | guestwhatever | no |
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| 14:54.32 | bilakos10 | it probably goes into sleep |
| 14:54.54 | guestwhatever | how do I stop it? |
| 14:55.04 | bilakos10 | lots of laptops have problems waking after sleeping |
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| 14:55.54 | bilakos10 | System -> Preferences -> Power Management |
| 14:56.17 | bilakos10 | go on AC power tab |
| 14:56.26 | bilakos10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.00 | bilakos10 | are you currently using gnome? |
| 14:57.06 | guestwhatever | I have no desktop environment yet. is there a way to do this from the shell? |
| 14:57.15 | bilakos10 | of course |
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| 14:58.08 | bilakos10 | just a sec |
| 14:58.13 | guestwhatever | ok |
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| 14:58.46 | bilakos10 | setterm -powersave off -blank 0 |
| 14:59.06 | bilakos10 | does it throw any error back ? |
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| 14:59.50 | guestwhatever | I can't type that now. I'm on windows atm on the same laptop. Let me reboot and try that |
| 14:59.59 | bilakos10 | wait |
| 15:00.11 | guestwhatever | ok |
| 15:00.25 | bilakos10 | if it dumps you any error you need to do this |
| 15:00.51 | bilakos10 | nano /etc/default/grub |
| 15:01.07 | bilakos10 | under the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" |
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| 15:01.26 | bilakos10 | you must add |
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| 15:01.29 | bilakos10 | acpi=off |
| 15:01.34 | bilakos10 | apm=off |
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| 15:02.20 | bilakos10 | but for the time being the first solution should work just fine |
| 15:02.21 | JyZyXEL | im guessing that the dpkg system is not meant to be able to downgrade things without considerable amount of effort? |
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| 15:02.48 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever: try the first solution and get back to me! |
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| 15:03.05 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to downgrade ? |
| 15:03.07 | guestwhatever | ok thanks a lot. be back in a bit |
| 15:03.13 | bilakos10 | see ya |
| 15:03.37 | JyZyXEL | bilakos10: the whole kde desktop :P |
| 15:04.02 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL: lol :D should be a pain in the ass |
| 15:04.13 | JyZyXEL | its damn near impossible |
| 15:04.34 | JyZyXEL | it just consists of so many packages |
| 15:04.35 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL: I thought you were aiming for a specific package, which is doable |
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| 15:05.44 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL, You are trying to jump back to kde4 ? |
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| 15:06.06 | JyZyXEL | bilakos10: yeah the kde plasma 4 worked quite well |
| 15:06.19 | JyZyXEL | upgrading to plasma 5... not so much |
| 15:06.42 | JyZyXEL | multimonitor is completely unusable for example |
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| 15:08.19 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL, why don't you try some other desktop enviroments ? |
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| 15:08.56 | JyZyXEL | bilakos10: yeah im on xfce for now |
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| 15:09.51 | JyZyXEL | even gave the new gnome3 a try but quickly realized that it was meant to be one of those "that everyone can use it" cases |
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| 15:10.16 | JyZyXEL | seemed like very limited features sparsely spaced |
| 15:10.57 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL, gnome3 was too heavy for my dual core laptop...! |
| 15:10.58 | themill | JyZyXEL: plasma 5 is only in unstable at the moment. There's a reason for that. |
| 15:11.28 | JyZyXEL | themill: yeah its just coming out this month on unstable |
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| 15:11.37 | JyZyXEL | its totally still in progress |
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| 15:11.52 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL, go nerd mode and use openbox |
| 15:11.55 | themill | the packaging even more so than the upstream |
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| 15:13.21 | JyZyXEL | bilakos10: after playing around with dwm, i3, awesome and the likes, i realized that setting those up is a constant battle and you end up spending huge amount of time to just optimize everything related to the window manager itself rather than doing what you actually want to be doing |
| 15:14.09 | JyZyXEL | themill: yeah well i guess the upstream itself is in a usable state but the debian packaging of it is still very much in progress |
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| 15:14.42 | bilakos10 | JyZyXEL, I set up openbox once and for 2 years I haven't reconfigured it :P |
| 15:14.44 | JyZyXEL | my only realistic solution seems to be to use something else while its being worked out |
| 15:14.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps is /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree not updated with new version yet? |
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| 15:15.22 | JyZyXEL | there just doesn't seem to be any shortcut to going back to the kde4 that worked |
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| 15:17.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | cries |
| 15:17.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | he has not update it yet, |
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| 15:17.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess i am not using flash |
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| 15:25.49 | abferm | I wish adobe would support all debian based systems, not just ubuntu... |
| 15:26.26 | gut | How do I submit a request for having a "unofficial port" of an existing debian package? Kind of the same that happened on powerpcspe here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/libgd2-xpm-dev |
| 15:26.32 | jamesawagner3 | I wish Adobe would die in a fire, but that's just me. |
| 15:26.40 | bilakos10 | clear |
| 15:26.54 | bilakos10 | lol forgot the / |
| 15:26.56 | gut | I made a port and its debian package and wonder how can I send it to upstream |
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| 15:28.10 | gut | the official project will take a while to integrate that, so I would like to make it available. Probably on unstable repository |
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| 15:28.57 | Brigo | gut, ask in #debian-mentors in OFTC network. |
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| 15:29.55 | guestwhatever | bilakos10: did both of your recommendations. no errors but they didn't work. I have noticed that the system goes to sleep exactly 3 minutes after it boots, regardless of what I'm doing on it at the time |
| 15:30.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | me too |
| 15:31.34 | abferm | does anyone have the source line for adobe |
| 15:31.58 | abferm | ? Maybe I can just add that to my apt sources... |
| 15:31.59 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever, i guess you have already install x11 right? |
| 15:33.28 | SynrG | abferm: see https://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
| 15:33.29 | guestwhatever | I don't know, I installed only the most basic components and no graphical stuff but maybe during the interrupted xfce install aptitude might have pulled x11 as a dependency |
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| 15:34.18 | r6ku | is your computer overheating? |
| 15:34.30 | guestwhatever | no, it runs fine on windows |
| 15:34.41 | abferm | Looking for their flash plugin repo, not pdf viewer. |
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| 15:35.10 | SynrG | abferm: garbage in, garbage out :) |
| 15:35.25 | SynrG | abferm: you don't need a separate repo. which browser? |
| 15:35.41 | SynrG | abferm: it's in contrib |
| 15:35.54 | SynrG | for iceweasel, flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:36.07 | SynrG | for chromium, pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:36.45 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever, just try to push any button every two minutes in order to complete the installation |
| 15:36.50 | SynrG | !contrib |
| 15:36.50 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 15:36.56 | abferm | Iceweasel, the one in the debian repos is always outdated. Adobe has an ubuntu APT option, but my browser doesn't like it. |
| 15:37.23 | SynrG | abferm: "the one in the debian repos" isn't the plugin. it's a downloader/installer for the plugin. |
| 15:37.40 | guestwhatever | bilakos10, keeping the system triggered doesn't work. it just sleeps regardless |
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| 15:37.46 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever, after installing an enviroment it should be easier to troubleshoot your problem as you will be able to connect from the Linux OS |
| 15:37.46 | SynrG | and afaik it is up-to-date. as soon as the vulnerability news broke, i was able to simply run update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:38.05 | SynrG | that updated my flash plugin on the systems where i have that installed. |
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| 15:38.19 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever, oh then something else is happening |
| 15:39.03 | SynrG | abferm: all that the installer does is fetches and installs the plugin from adobe. |
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| 15:39.09 | guestwhatever | bilakos10, could it have something to do with systemd? debian 7 never did this |
| 15:39.18 | abferm | SynrG: just did that, and iceweasel is still complaining that it is out of date. |
| 15:40.01 | SynrG | abferm: what does update-flashplugin-nonfree --status say? |
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| 15:40.33 | SynrG | er, sorry, "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" is what you do to upgrade |
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| 15:40.45 | abferm | Flash Player version installed on this system : 11.2.202.481 |
| 15:40.45 | abferm | Flash Player version available on upstream site: 11.2.202.491 |
| 15:40.53 | bilakos10 | guestwhatever, even if you dont start the installtion proccess, the system goes to blank screen? |
| 15:40.56 | SynrG | yep. so apparently it fails to install |
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| 15:41.23 | SynrG | this is a new issue. i did this last week and it succeeded |
| 15:41.30 | guestwhatever | yes. one time I logged on and did nothing for 3 minutes. it goes to sleep |
| 15:41.53 | abferm | I had no problems last week too, but now I do. |
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| 15:42.08 | SynrG | see #792562 |
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| 15:44.02 | gut | Brigo: alright, thanks |
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| 15:45.35 | SynrG | abferm: please note that this bug was filed mere hours ago. maintainer response should be fairly swift. |
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| 16:26.55 | CinderBDT | I am unable to purge my old linux kernel package because it has been renamed to vmlinuz.old. Is there something I can do to fix this? |
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| 16:43.47 | Technicus | Hello, how can I modify the power management service through a terminal? |
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| 17:19.25 | P5i | hi, yesterday i came asking for help with wifi on debian which broke apparently after an update a few days ago, the problem is when i start downloading the connection slows dramatically and ping to gateway gets up to 10 000ms |
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| 17:19.45 | P5i | today i borrowed a usb wifi card that has a different chipset (different driver) and the problem persisted |
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| 17:20.27 | P5i | i tried 2 kernels, yesterday some 3., currently on 4.0.0-2-amd64 it is the same |
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| 17:21.17 | P5i | maybe somebody could help me troubleshoot this, i could even send some network logs |
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| 17:23.36 | P5i | when i start a download in wireshark i can see nice TCP stream but the ping to gw is already increasing, then after a few seconds i see a list of retransmission and double ack packets marked black, some normal TCP for a while (the connection is still too slow though) and the same after a moment |
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| 17:24.40 | P5i | ah i forgot to mention, on cable it is perfect, no slowdowns |
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| 17:27.29 | P5i | im am almost 100% cure it is not the case with the router as in face i have tried on two different ones |
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| 17:33.40 | redspl | guys |
| 17:33.55 | redspl | btw hello |
| 17:34.07 | redspl | mine debian 8.1 is not auto-cleaning buffer |
| 17:35.42 | redspl | and sometimes i am getting kernel panic.. |
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| 17:39.02 | DammitJim | silly question... what is the upgrade path for me to go from jessie to stretch? |
| 17:39.23 | DammitJim | my sources list is 4 lines and all of them just point to jessie |
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| 17:40.39 | Medeos | hi |
| 17:40.47 | Medeos | Check this blog out PLEASE: https://syrianlouie.wordpress.com/ |
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| 17:41.10 | c0fe_machine | wtf? spam? |
| 17:41.20 | DammitJim | anybody? |
| 17:41.35 | muculus | Is there any way to reset forgotten password of root, without rebooting? |
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| 17:43.00 | c0fe_machine | musca: are you logged in as root still? |
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| 17:44.07 | WangDang_ | c0fe_machine: you should be asking muculus, not musca... |
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| 17:44.22 | c0fe_machine | whoops sorry |
| 17:44.30 | c0fe_machine | muculus: are you still logged in as a root? |
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| 17:45.49 | WangDang_ | muculus: is there a user who can sudo su -? |
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| 17:46.21 | muculus | c0fe_machine: I only have kvm access. |
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| 18:01.56 | head8debian | If the debian wiki is based on moinmoin, then why does wheezy not have a newer version of it? We are running wheezy and have alot of issues with the version of moinmoin on it. |
| 18:02.02 | ochiottes | muculus: you'll have to boot into a shell, then remount / as read-write, then you can change your password |
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| 18:04.07 | Ellon | Hi i have an old graphics card and i need proprietary driver.. |
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| 18:04.50 | Ellon | Would it be good idea to install older debian for video card support? |
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| 18:05.16 | GJdan | I don't suppose there's a conventional way to install python three things with pip so that they know to call the python3 binary and not python which points to python2 |
| 18:05.21 | head8debian | Ellon: Not really. |
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| 18:05.48 | head8debian | You don't get very good support(or any) with older versions of debian. |
| 18:05.53 | Ellon | but open source driver give my video card lags :( |
| 18:06.08 | Ellon | will latest google chrome work on older debian? |
| 18:06.33 | head8debian | It *should*. |
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| 18:06.47 | head8debian | Its your choice then. |
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| 18:12.12 | jho | what would be a good size for the root partition (everything except /home/) on a debian 8 server install? light httpd use, some shell users, occassional development so -dev packages will be needed |
| 18:12.19 | jho | is 5G good? too much? |
| 18:12.28 | zinx | too small |
| 18:12.30 | jho | all httpd content will be on /home/ userdirs |
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| 18:12.49 | jho | what would you recommend? |
| 18:12.59 | jho | i'm a bit behind on times :) |
| 18:13.04 | zinx | at least 10G imho |
| 18:13.12 | ochiottes | jho: 40GB for /var |
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| 18:14.05 | head8debian | I would shoot for a min of 10 gb for / also. |
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| 18:15.13 | head8debian | 5 would be a tight pinch. |
| 18:15.17 | jho | 10G sounds reasonable, but why 40GB /var ochiottes ? i've got a slim install done with just some tools missing and my /var is 292MB |
| 18:15.19 | choltz95 | always better to overestimate |
| 18:15.23 | choltz95 | resizing will be a pain |
| 18:15.32 | head8debian | It could be done though. |
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| 18:15.36 | ochiottes | jho: a server has several seperate partitions, often /var, /tmp, /usr, /home, maybe even /srv |
| 18:15.49 | ochiottes | jho: because of the logs, and the cache |
| 18:15.50 | zinx | jho: /var has apt's cache, and various other things |
| 18:16.13 | jho | ochiottes: yeah maybe i used "server" a bit too lightly :) just a private vps to screw around with and host for a few friends |
| 18:16.26 | choltz95 | isnt usr and var usually on the same partition? |
| 18:16.35 | head8debian | my / partition ( with everything except /home) on my 3500 package desktop uses 15gb. |
| 18:16.45 | zinx | head8debian: mine's surpassed 40GB |
| 18:16.46 | head8debian | I have just a few packages installed. :p |
| 18:16.55 | choltz95 | "There is no good reason to split /usr from the rest of the system (/bin, /etc, /var, …). If you see advice to split /usr, it's grossly obsolete." |
| 18:17.01 | head8debian | Its diferent for everyone. |
| 18:17.04 | jho | nothing production quality needed, just want /home seperate so i can wipe it easily if i want to |
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| 18:17.29 | ochiottes | jho: what do you ned /home for on your server? |
| 18:17.37 | ochiottes | *need |
| 18:17.47 | zinx | choltz95: / from /var, /tmp, /home, there are good reasons |
| 18:17.53 | zinx | choltz95: and sometimes /boot, too |
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| 18:18.27 | choltz95 | okay |
| 18:18.28 | zinx | choltz95: /etc, there's good reasons too i guess :) |
| 18:18.38 | choltz95 | i believe u |
| 18:18.43 | choltz95 | but |
| 18:18.59 | jho | ochiottes: most of the stuff will be in /home.. apache userdirs and so on |
| 18:19.02 | zinx | choltz95: my server has a read-only /, for example. |
| 18:19.32 | ochiottes | jho: served files should go to /srv |
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| 18:19.53 | ochiottes | just a reminder |
| 18:19.57 | choltz95 | i usually separate /home on a different partition |
| 18:20.03 | choltz95 | and leave everything else in one hahah |
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| 18:22.54 | jho | choltz95: that's what i was pretty much aiming for too. if i want to change a distro or do a clean install all user files and configs will be safe and it's just one partition to worry about |
| 18:22.59 | miskatonic | you don't leave the swap partition in the big mess, do you> |
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| 18:23.21 | bleb | I'm trying to get ssh X forwarding to work, but keep getting "no display specified". This SO answer seems to be what I want, but how do I determine yourmachine.yourdomain.com? http://stackoverflow.com/a/784415/1769724 |
| 18:23.36 | ochiottes | jho: You said it's a VM, no? |
| 18:23.41 | jho | yes |
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| 18:24.22 | ochiottes | jho: then I'd say there won't be a need to mess around with different distros on the same VM |
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| 18:24.49 | ochiottes | just create a new VM |
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| 18:25.09 | yomguy | Hi! I'm looking for the user:password of the live ditrib, any idea? |
| 18:25.09 | jho | i mean, the provider has made it pretty easy so why not give it a spin at some point |
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| 18:26.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | so... |
| 18:26.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | what do you do when you mess up your sudoers files and cant login as root? |
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| 18:26.57 | bj0rn | I'm trying to convert myself from Ubuntu to Debian but I'm stuck with the installer not able to find/connect to my wireless network. I've got an Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 PCI Express card and it seems it should work. The installer finds it but no networks... manually entering SSID and key makes it try to connect but it fails. Anyone know if there is any known problems or how I could troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:29.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm i got it |
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| 18:35.46 | mo1991reg | bjorn, you may need the firmware-atheros package from the "non-free" section of debian. basically do wired install if you can, then enable non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list, then install the package |
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| 18:38.19 | d3lphi | what do I need to install or configure to have LaTex formulas displayed on my Chromium Webbrowser? Actually I don't see the correct symbols, just the Latex codes. |
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| 18:42.06 | choltz95 | d3lphi, are you trying to view local latex in your browser? |
| 18:42.17 | choltz95 | for example, do latex equations correctly render in a wikipedia page? |
| 18:42.44 | bj0rn | mo1991reg: ok thanks, I'll try testing installer first |
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| 19:50.27 | mutante | how come jessie has all these aspell packages for all the languages, like aspell-de aspell-en and about 59 languages, just aspell-id is missing and Ubuntu trusty has it |
| 19:50.46 | mutante | already tried to ask "judd" etc |
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| 19:53.24 | mutante | http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/aspell-id vs. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/aspell-id why just that one language? |
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| 19:54.54 | hexnewbie | mutante: You could still install the Ubuntu's package, or take its files. Aspell dictionary generally work without much fuss anywhere |
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| 19:56.16 | mutante | hexnewbie: yep, i'm basically asking because: < YuviPanda> !log imported aspell-id from ubuntu to jessie-wikimedia - needed by ores, simple package that I am not sure why it is not in jessie |
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| 19:56.34 | hexnewbie | mutante: There's this thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/12/msg00373.html |
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| 19:56.48 | mutante | hexnewbie: thank you |
| 19:57.20 | hexnewbie | mutante: I was giving it mostly as a point of deeper confusion, given it's from 2006. I am not sure if it helps. |
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| 20:15.53 | pidi | Hey guys, I am messing around with automatic installation and preseed and I couldnt google a single recipe example in which partition mulitple disks actually worked. |
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| 20:17.00 | pidi | So should I use kickstart instead or doesnt that work either? |
| 20:17.23 | pidi | Or does it work with jessie? |
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| 20:21.46 | daniel-s | Hello |
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| 20:21.58 | daniel-s | I'm in the debian installer trying to setup a RAID-5 with 4 hard drives. |
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| 20:22.27 | daniel-s | I have setup the 4 drives to be used in the raid, now I'm being asked for the number of active and spare devices. |
| 20:22.45 | daniel-s | By spare, does that mean the number of drives used for parity? |
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| 20:23.06 | daniel-s | If I select RAID-5 and set spare to 2 does that make it a RAID-6? |
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| 20:31.21 | pidi | please guys - at this rate I'll never achieve world domination... |
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| 20:42.07 | valdyn | daniel-s: spares are not used at all |
| 20:42.28 | valdyn | daniel-s: till a used one is removed or breaks |
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| 20:43.26 | valdyn | daniel-s: so a spare could (theoretically) be in 2 raids at once, i don't know if that is supported. |
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| 20:45.38 | ilteris | hm it takes Iceweasel 5 seconds to load when launched for first time, anyone having this type of issue on their WM? |
| 20:46.10 | greycat | News flash: web browsers are large. |
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| 20:46.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure what the "issue" is. |
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| 20:46.42 | abrotman | 5 seconds? That's it? |
| 20:46.54 | abrotman | has 12-15 tabs saved to load at launch .. |
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| 20:48.08 | asterismo_m | hi ppl |
| 20:48.36 | asterismo_m | what server to stream mp3 music? ampanche maybe? |
| 20:48.58 | asterismo_m | it has android app in fdroid |
| 20:49.04 | asterismo_m | ampache |
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| 20:53.13 | ilteris | greycat NoImNotNineVolt I am new to Linux GUI world, I didn't know. Is there a faster alternative to Iceweasel you guys recommend by any chance? abrotman it takes 5 seconds even without tabs. |
| 20:53.34 | greycat | Don't restart it so often? |
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| 20:53.42 | Petit_Dejeuner | Maybe seamonkey? |
| 20:54.29 | abrotman | heh, no |
| 20:54.57 | abrotman | ilteris: no, really, it's not that bad. Typically, I start a bunch of apps, look away for 30 seconds, everything is up and running (my laptop is about five years old) |
| 20:55.12 | abrotman | (and really, really needs a RAM upgrade) |
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| 20:59.02 | ilteris | I see, ok my laptop is 10 years old. maybe that's it :D |
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| 20:59.35 | ilteris | anyways thanks gentlemen, at least I know the Iceweasel is not the culprit here. |
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| 21:01.03 | ryan8403 | can someone confirm that to use different DH params in Apache2 i need to append the contents of my dhparams.pem file to the end of each SSL certificate of each SSL enabled vhost |
| 21:01.15 | ryan8403 | or just to the first vhost that apache reads? |
| 21:01.43 | ryan8403 | i'm using debian wheezy |
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| 21:03.52 | GNU\colossus | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:03.54 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; stretch: 4.0+65; sid: 4.0+65 |
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| 21:06.02 | fennesz | Guys I am using Debian 8 with cinnamon . Is there a way I can disable the screen dimming? |
| 21:06.15 | nkuttler | fennesz: check the power settings? |
| 21:06.45 | fennesz | nkuttler, I have set it to never , but the dimming still occurs |
| 21:06.59 | nkuttler | fennesz: restart your session? |
| 21:07.06 | fennesz | hmm |
| 21:07.15 | nkuttler | just a guess. never really used cinnamon |
| 21:07.30 | fennesz | nkuttler, I have just restarted and still this is happening again |
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| 21:08.13 | nkuttler | fennesz: what exactly do you mean by dimming? |
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| 21:08.34 | Petit_Dejeuner | I'm installing debian and I want to put it on a partition that does not take up the entire disk, so I used the guided partition to install to the entire disk and now I want to shrink the size of the etx4 primary partition taking up almost the entire drive, but there doesn't seem to be an option for that. Am I going about this the wrong way? |
| 21:08.36 | fennesz | when inactive the screen starts dimming and locks |
| 21:09.03 | nkuttler | fennesz: screensaver? |
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| 21:09.10 | fennesz | nkuttler, the problem is when I want to view a video (flash) and am afk |
| 21:09.19 | fennesz | nkuttler, yes |
| 21:09.25 | nkuttler | fennesz: well turn it off |
| 21:10.06 | fennesz | nkuttler, only option is in power settings , where I have set it to never |
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| 21:11.26 | nkuttler | fennesz: like this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/356992/how-do-i-disable-the-cinnamon-2-lock-screen |
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| 21:12.46 | fennesz | nkuttler,great! |
| 21:13.01 | fennesz | nkuttler, appreciate it ! |
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| 21:19.38 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 21:19.47 | c0fe | hello |
| 21:20.00 | someHuman | Which filesystem format would be best for no hassle file transferring as well as best performance? |
| 21:20.22 | someHuman | I have a 1 TB external hard drive. |
| 21:21.29 | someHuman | Someone told me that fat32 ain't good because I might actually be halted of my file transfers. |
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| 21:21.37 | someHuman | Which I think I have experienced before. |
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| 21:23.51 | someHuman | gah |
| 21:23.56 | someHuman | Screw this |
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| 21:26.18 | someHuman | How long should it take for a 1 TB external hard drive to be encrypted via Disks? |
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| 21:26.42 | someHuman | Mine haven't been finished even having been left to be encrypted via Disks for almost 5 - 6 hours? |
| 21:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: Maybe a day or two. |
| 21:26.46 | someHuman | Or even more than that. |
| 21:26.53 | someHuman | jhutchins_wk: Seriously? |
| 21:27.12 | someHuman | jhutchins_wk: That is with slow erase right? |
| 21:27.18 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: Yup. Haven't seen any recent reports, but it's a set it up and come back tomorrow thing. |
| 21:27.41 | someHuman | Is it really worth it? |
| 21:27.48 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: Not for me. |
| 21:27.54 | someHuman | Why? |
| 21:28.12 | someHuman | The encryption is worth it for me, for sure. But the set up? Damn |
| 21:28.13 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: If I kept a lot of data or code on a laptop, yeah. For a desktop/server? No. |
| 21:28.20 | someHuman | I don't have much time now for that. |
| 21:28.26 | someHuman | Ah |
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| 21:28.59 | someHuman | What's the difference between the slow and quick erase method? |
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| 21:34.01 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: Since, as I said, I don't have any use for encryption these days, I'm only familiar with the process from what other people have reported here. |
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| 21:34.32 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: I know one of the slow steps when they're setting up an encrypted disk/partitionis that the software writes zeros to EVERY byte on the disk first. |
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| 21:41.06 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: A TB is a lot of data. fsck can take days. |
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| 21:41.30 | jhutchins_wk | someHuman: Formating can take hours, that's why ext4 does a deferred format. |
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| 21:44.14 | someHuman | Damn |
| 21:44.31 | someHuman | jhutchins_wk: What do you mean with what you last said? |
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| 21:50.25 | Petit_Dejeuner | Any reason I might get a black screen with a single underscore after a fresh install? I'm convinced that I messed up the partitions somehow, but I'm not sure how that would cause it. |
| 21:50.35 | guy_ | i've just upgraded to sid, i'm trying to use clang-3.7 from apt however when i try to compile a program with -fsanitize=safe-stack , ld doesn't seem to find the libclang_rt.safestack-x86-64.a (archive which contains all the safestack routines / shared objects), i tried looking for it however it does not seem to exist on my system, |
| 21:50.46 | guy_ | should i file a bug ? did anyone else encouter this ? |
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| 21:52.33 | phy1729 | Petit_Dejeuner: sounds like your BIOS can't find a thing to boot |
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| 21:55.13 | hpi142 | Hey I've never had to upgrade my server before. Do I just changed my sources from wheezy to jessie and then apt-get update -> apt-get dist-upgrade and that's it? |
| 21:55.25 | hpi142 | then reboot? |
| 21:55.43 | toothe | I would like to install the drivers for my webcam. I have no idea how to do that... |
| 21:55.54 | toothe | well, I have an idea...but basically I don't know heh |
| 21:56.01 | hpi142 | https://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 21:56.12 | hpi142 | I think you first need to identify the chipset |
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| 21:56.48 | toothe | lspci, correct? |
| 21:56.50 | hpi142 | yeah |
| 21:57.05 | toothe | I see my list of devices, but I don't know which is my webcam. |
| 21:57.19 | hpi142 | yeah I don't know the command to filter them |
| 21:57.52 | toothe | heh, yeah, that's why I'm stuck lol |
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| 21:57.59 | abferm | you have a pci webcam? lsusb might be more helpful |
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| 21:58.42 | toothe | maybe USB...its built in so that's probably USB? |
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| 21:58.52 | abferm | yes |
| 21:59.01 | abferm | they are usually usb still |
| 21:59.07 | hpi142 | I would just install lshw |
| 21:59.10 | hpi142 | then type lshw it will tell you |
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| 21:59.48 | hpi142 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.51 | hpi142 | is what it says for me with lshw |
| 22:00.01 | hpi142 | then the chipset info |
| 22:00.03 | toothe | ahh |
| 22:00.07 | toothe | clear |
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| 22:00.53 | hpi142 | there's far smarter people in here who know way more maybe they'll help |
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| 22:02.09 | toothe | found it! |
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| 22:03.13 | hpi142 | nice |
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| 22:03.38 | hpi142 | ugh im upgrading from wheezy to jessie and im getting http://paste.debian.net/283101/ |
| 22:03.40 | hpi142 | anyone know why? |
| 22:03.47 | hpi142 | no idea what db5.1-util is for |
| 22:04.10 | guy_ | that's like tmp007 |
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| 22:04.13 | hpi142 | thanks |
| 22:04.23 | guy_ | in other words: i have no idea |
| 22:04.28 | hpi142 | hahahaah |
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| 22:04.53 | guy_ | but if you have a chromebook, the EC has a tmp006 command which monitors the fans |
| 22:05.00 | guy_ | there's no tmp007 command, though |
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| 22:18.36 | hpi142 | I'm upgrading and it said there was changes to my.cnf... I viewed the differences... now I see END |
| 22:18.43 | hpi142 | how do I continue the install and accept them? |
| 22:18.50 | hpi142 | I tried enter lol |
| 22:19.02 | hpi142 | nothing is happening |
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| 22:21.10 | hpi142 | great the upgrade stopped and apt-get dist-upgrade says could not get lock |
| 22:21.19 | hpi142 | unable to lock the admin directory |
| 22:21.30 | hpi142 | i must of hit escape when i was reviewing the changes to my.cnf |
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| 22:24.13 | hpi142 | should i just kill the pid? |
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| 22:25.03 | hexnewbie | hpi142: Wait, pastebin the last few lines of your output. |
| 22:25.09 | hpi142 | too late i killed it |
| 22:25.24 | hexnewbie | Well, I was told here not to do that. (Then I did it, but that's another matter.) |
| 22:25.31 | hpi142 | ill paste it though hold on |
| 22:26.23 | hpi142 | ugh forget it ill just restore and upgrade again just incase |
| 22:26.54 | hexnewbie | I wish you good luck on the second try |
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| 22:27.09 | hpi142 | thanks :P |
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| 22:34.24 | Che-Anarch | Is there a good alternative to `curl` for diagnosing issues on tcp level packet insepction for http services that have gone mad? - cause via curl I encouter http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13943181/why-is-curl-returning-additional-stuff-not-fine |
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| 22:36.33 | centrx | Che-Anarch, tcpdump? |
| 22:36.36 | centrx | Che-Anarch, wireshark? |
| 22:37.42 | mutante | tcptraceroute |
| 22:38.24 | Che-Anarch | centrx mutante thanks |
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| 22:40.20 | mutante | Che-Anarch: i think you can ignore that message from curl though |
| 22:40.32 | mutante | it's not really telling you stuff about the service you are testing |
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| 22:40.48 | mutante | see the explanation on that stackoverflow you linked |
| 22:41.05 | Che-Anarch | mutante well it tells me its accepting incoming tcp level sockets but not responding with valid headers as expected on http. |
| 22:42.11 | Che-Anarch | I'd just like to know what its actually returning. |
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| 22:52.44 | c0fe | having an identity crisis there niebieskiVampir? |
| 22:52.44 | c0fe | :D |
| 22:52.49 | pav5088 | A friend wants to set up a web-controlled OpenVPN client connecting to an overseas VPN provider. I've tried dd-wrt, but the version supporting his router has bugs making it unusable for this purpose, and I haven't been able to find other firmware capable of doing this (most only allow setting up a VPN server, but not client). I have the option of setting up a Debian router (Raspberry Pi bridged to his modem) - is there soft |
| 22:52.49 | pav5088 | ware allowing control of OpenVPN for Debian? I've tried webmin, but it's only good for OpenVPN server. Any other suggestion/s? |
| 22:54.02 | pav5088 | Apparently he doesn't want to connect individual clients, but his whole home network... (I would have just hooked up individual client machines). |
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| 23:21.52 | martman | im trying to setup a new debian box to be my home backup/fileserver and run a few services. im planning on using a software raid, but not sure what kind of partitioning setup i should use |
| 23:21.52 | martman | since things that should be backed up/safe can be scattered i was thinking about having seperate boot, swap and tmp partitions, then putting everything on the raid |
| 23:21.52 | martman | any comments? |
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| 23:45.08 | incal | mplayer2 tells me "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 23:48.16 | amicrawler | can any body help me please in some body to talk a look at this screen shot |
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| 23:48.39 | amicrawler | where do i send the screen shot |
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| 23:49.44 | incal | put it on a home page |
| 23:51.27 | amicrawler | i have black boraders around all my applications |
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| 23:51.38 | WangDang_ | amicrawler: http://picpaste.com/ |
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| 23:52.34 | collinblatt | Howdy |
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| 23:54.20 | amicrawler | ok sent |
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| 23:54.33 | amicrawler | called pic.png |
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| 23:58.00 | mtn | amicrawler, you have to give the channel the link to the picture, so we can look at it ;) |
| 23:59.11 | amicrawler | http://picpaste.com/5QyokK8k.png |
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