| 00:01.26 | amicrawler | any ideas how to fix this issue |
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| 00:05.22 | amicrawler | any takers |
| 00:05.28 | mtn | amicrawler, looks like you are using ubuntu,that is not supported in this channel |
| 00:06.25 | amicrawler | it linux |
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| 00:06.46 | mtn | !ubuntu |
| 00:06.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 00:07.13 | amicrawler | i see |
| 00:07.21 | incal | linux = kernel, ubuntu is a debian fork and both are linux distros - the fork was a long time ago tho it doesn't seem like that |
| 00:08.17 | amicrawler | humm |
| 00:08.35 | amicrawler | was just looking for some help in the right direction |
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| 00:28.04 | civillian | amicrawler: that link is 404'ing now. I suggest you try #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 00:32.46 | amicrawler | civillian here is the paste bin http://picpaste.com/trt9g4KT.png |
| 00:34.03 | amicrawler | civillian any ideas |
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| 00:35.30 | civillian | amicrawler: I haven't seen that behaviour before. |
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| 00:36.11 | amicrawler | my screen was flickering then did some things what the threads were saying |
| 00:36.17 | amicrawler | and wa la |
| 00:36.41 | mtn | amicrawler, please go to #ubuntu for support for ubuntu |
| 00:37.08 | amicrawler | ok |
| 00:37.10 | amicrawler | on my way |
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| 01:19.15 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys , compared to ubuntu - is debian testing branch more stable ? |
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| 01:19.42 | dvs | cobra-the-joker: Debian unstable is more stable |
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| 01:20.24 | runlevl4 | dvs: :D |
| 01:20.29 | dvs | ... |
| 01:21.03 | c0fe | better yet, Debian unstable is not not more stable |
| 01:21.44 | cobra-the-joker_ | c0fe: sorry the internet was cut out , you said that testing is more stable than ubuntu ? |
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| 01:22.11 | chandler__ | what's the most popular DE for debian |
| 01:22.15 | centrx | cobra-the-joker_, Yes, or as stable |
| 01:22.41 | centrx | chandler__, Gnome is the default and the most used |
| 01:22.58 | cobra-the-joker_ | centrx: for a PC , you think testing is a better option than stable ? |
| 01:23.29 | mutante | cobra-the-joker: yes |
| 01:23.51 | c0fe | cobra-the-joker_: I said Debian unstable is not not more stable |
| 01:24.03 | c0fe | cobra-the-joker_: i said what you said just more convuluted |
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| 01:24.58 | centrx | cobra-the-joker_, I've been using testing on my desktop for 10+ years, but it may require more Linux knowledge |
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| 01:25.38 | mutante | cobra-the-joker_: testing for desktops, stable for servers.. imho |
| 01:26.05 | chandler__ | would you even put testing on mom's computer? |
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| 01:27.40 | mutante | yea, since i'd assume i have to admin it anyways |
| 01:27.43 | c0fe | Can anyone recommend a good tool to scan a computer for any hardware defects and test out the CPU? |
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| 01:27.48 | c0fe | Preferably a live boot distro to do this |
| 01:30.05 | chandler__ | i have a 64 bit pc, which debian testing build do I want? |
| 01:30.23 | chandler__ | i see amd64, arm64, and i386 |
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| 01:31.51 | mutante | chandler__: amd64 |
| 01:32.07 | mutante | it's also for Intel |
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| 01:34.38 | mutante | chandler__: i'd just the smallest netinstall image and let it pull the packages you actually need from the web during install.. and not even care to get full ISOs |
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| 02:00.57 | hpi142 | Any idea why a program would launch with ./ProgramName --daemon but not ./ProgramName --daemon [--pidfile=/var/run/ProgramName.pid] |
| 02:01.05 | hpi142 | do PID files require special permissions? |
| 02:02.31 | ltwally | looking for help compiling a driver on my new Raspberry Pi. i installed GCC, but it gives this error when i run make. "make[1]: *** /lib/modules/3.18.13-1-osmc/build: No such file or directory. Stop" |
| 02:02.38 | ltwally | anyone willing to lend a hand? |
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| 02:03.01 | themill | hpi142: /var/run (or better, /run) does. If it's really per-user then you probably want a pid file under $HOME somewhere; if it's system-wide but just dropping privileges, then create a directory in /run first (as root) with the appropriate permissions for your unprivileged user |
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| 02:03.28 | hpi142 | thank you |
| 02:03.29 | themill | ltwally: which distro are you using? |
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| 02:04.23 | ltwally | themill: OSMC. "Linux OSMC 3.18.13-1-osmc #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 17 18:50:26 UTC 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux" |
| 02:04.50 | ltwally | i believe it's based on Debian... heavily forked, i'm sure... but none of their folk seem willing/able to assist |
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| 02:05.09 | themill | ltwally: you need to ask the osmc people where to get the appropriate headers and build-setup. |
| 02:05.25 | ltwally | there don't seem to be any willing/able to assist. |
| 02:05.30 | themill | It may be that they don't believe that anyone would ever need to do that. |
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| 02:05.48 | themill | There's no way #debian can know what the osmc people have done to their kernel packaging :( |
| 02:05.52 | ltwally | figured it might be a generic enough issue that someone here could give a hand |
| 02:05.59 | ltwally | drat. |
| 02:06.55 | themill | In debian, installing linux-headers-$(uname -r) would be sufficient. |
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| 02:07.22 | ltwally | how would i do that? |
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| 02:08.23 | dvs | ltwally: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:09.55 | ltwally | E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.18.13-1-osmc |
| 02:09.55 | ltwally | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-3.18.13-1-osmc' |
| 02:10.14 | dvs | ltwally: That would have worked in Debian and that's why we can't help you |
| 02:10.15 | ltwally | so... guess i'll keep waiting to see if anyone from OSMC is willing/able to help. drat. |
| 02:10.28 | ltwally | do appreciate the assistance, tho |
| 02:10.29 | ltwally | thanks |
| 02:12.35 | ltwally | haha just did a search on their forum for "linux headers"... they say next version |
| 02:12.39 | ltwally | *sigh* |
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| 02:14.05 | themill | I think I heard that two years ago too. |
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| 02:19.50 | ltwally | wonder if OpenELEC would be a better choice |
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| 02:53.22 | wrathchild666 | hallo |
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| 03:14.53 | hpi142 | On debian jessie I have gcc 4.9.2, but wheezy it's only upgrading to 4.7.2 and I have a program that requires 4.9.2 to compile. Is there a "backport\forwardport" for wheezy? lol |
| 03:16.57 | hpi142 | Would changes my sources to jessie temporarily be a bad idea to install 4.9.2 then changing them back to wheezy? https://solarianprogrammer.com/2015/01/13/raspberry-pi-raspbian-install-gcc-compile-cpp-14-programs/ I'm guessing this is horrible advice |
| 03:17.00 | hpi142 | -changing |
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| 03:18.38 | iflema | hpi142: you can install individual apps from a higher version without changing sources.list |
| 03:18.45 | hpi142 | how would I do that? |
| 03:18.59 | hpi142 | I just want to upgrade to gcc 4.9 |
| 03:19.32 | iflema | hpi142: is that all... goto jessie |
| 03:19.48 | hpi142 | I can't upgrade to jessie sorry |
| 03:19.57 | hpi142 | so how do I upgrade gcc to 4.9 with wheezy? |
| 03:20.07 | themill | there's no easy way of doing that |
| 03:20.29 | iflema | hp individal applicatiopns can be installed using the package manager et. al |
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| 03:36.23 | iflema | hpi142:you could append jessie sources to sources list and apt-get -t jessie blah but i doubt its worth it |
| 03:36.34 | hpi142 | that's what I just did hopefully it doesn't break my os in the future |
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| 03:36.51 | hpi142 | i reverted my sources back to wheezy after upgrading gcc |
| 03:36.59 | hpi142 | it compiled what i needed too |
| 03:37.02 | dvs | it will |
| 03:37.15 | hpi142 | why will it? |
| 03:37.21 | iflema | hpi142: ooooh... append jessie repos append |
| 03:37.46 | dvs | hpi142: you're running a hybrid of stable and testing now. |
| 03:38.06 | hpi142 | right |
| 03:38.33 | hpi142 | but it's just gcc which is affected |
| 03:38.44 | dvs | nope |
| 03:39.07 | dvs | you now have the base libraries of testing which affect everything |
| 03:39.15 | hpi142 | well if it causes issues i could just upgrade to jessie? |
| 03:39.54 | dvs | and testing could have problems at any time. |
| 03:40.07 | hpi142 | isn't jessie stable |
| 03:40.13 | hpi142 | im running wheezy |
| 03:40.26 | dvs | same idea. |
| 03:40.31 | hpi142 | =[ |
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| 04:05.55 | reactormonk | Any way I can dpkg to list me all changed config files? |
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| 04:08.22 | reactormonk | ah, debsums |
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| 04:30.48 | k_sze[work] | Hello. I'm a bit confused about the snmp and snmpd packages. |
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| 04:31.09 | k_sze[work] | If I want to monitor remote hosts, which one do I need on the local host? |
| 04:31.25 | k_sze[work] | I'm *guessing* it's snmp that I want? |
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| 04:38.38 | knivsta | hi |
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| 04:55.20 | k_sze[work] | shit, I removed snmpd.conf and then reinstalled snmpd |
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| 04:55.39 | k_sze[work] | Now I have no snmpd.conf at all. |
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| 05:14.31 | meephostis | I followed the Debian Wiki page "xfce" and it left me with a bare system - not even basic networking tools |
| 05:14.42 | meephostis | ifupdown isn't even installed. |
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| 05:15.15 | meephostis | What are my options? Are there any? |
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| 05:16.42 | veek | anyway to prevent this 'a stop job is running for Session 1 of user root' (takes al ong time to shutdown |
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| 05:24.42 | rhodildown | how do I |
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| 05:24.51 | rhodildown | how do I hex edit a computer program google earth |
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| 05:27.19 | rhodildown | how do I hex into an executable with a breakpoint locker so I can allow Flight Simulator in Sky mode in Google Earth |
| 05:27.25 | rhodildown | how do I hex into an executable with a breakpoint locker so I can allow Flight Simulator in night Sky mode in Google Earth |
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| 05:29.34 | veek | anyway to prevent this 'a stop job is running for Session 1 of user root' (takes al ong time to shutdown |
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| 05:30.07 | rhodildown | not going to answer |
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| 05:30.35 | *** kick/#debian [rhodildown!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
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| 05:30.39 | rhodildown | ϱõOÃüX!Â}8e½U |
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| 05:30.54 | veek | son of a! |
| 05:31.23 | rhodildown | C¢Uª»2âÂyÃþ\úWÃW?ïÃÃÃ" |
| 05:31.33 | veek | indonesia |
| 05:31.38 | rhodildown | Â<!ì2R´Â:ÃM²ÂfñÝgÃ<¥øLÂÃÉ»Â) |
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| 05:31.47 | veek | go to dalnet dipshit rhodildown |
| 05:31.56 | rhodildown | B<ÃéãûîÃS¬/HÂcG |
| 05:32.00 | rhodildown | 4'~Ã/ÙD¼ÂIÃÝ4&8êÃ)~´»ÃÃþ |
| 05:32.00 | rhodildown | Yeah DALnet is an internet ghetto |
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| 05:32.08 | rhodildown | Ý-ÚAQXC°ºÂY¢ñ? |
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| 05:32.15 | rhodildown | ÃpiîڮÂ$¢0jaÃ!Omî!oZjCEUº³û1úÃtpþª*Ã%Â6¯©A-üæylFÂ">YBÂÿÃä÷98w¬³3ÂªÂ¸Ã¶Ü xÃ¥Ã-£H2¶dìqv# #ÃEnfQK@÷ÂfÃam)xm°r§ÂëGÐ#V¨[\ÂÂ/ÃÃ1ap{yDèÉéëW¤/Â¥1)R¬ÂÂv% ¾Â!.+,èÃÃ+Ò°>9§xêÃ7Ã"Þº^GuÂXâ÷ÂúÂêÂhÂ
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| 05:32.18 | rhodildown | I DDoSed DALnet back in 2002 and early 2003 |
| 05:32.23 | rhodildown | ý2ÂãQTÂg¨0urà NoÂÂΩC¸ÃêdÃ7¾ |
| 05:32.30 | rhodildown | 5à é«Ã{à ÂÂI_Ã8ÂÎ&ßHÂ@ÃáráÃÃe `oÂzdáÃð1à WÂÂÃXÞ
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| 05:32.34 | shingouz | !ops rhodildown spam |
| 05:32.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shingouz complains about: rhodildown spam |
| 05:32.38 | rhodildown | BüYÂW®^:U°µÂÃsª |
| 05:32.43 | veek | just ignore him :) |
| 05:32.45 | rhodildown | 4§Â&}ÂÃlGNI&õ_Âvý]>1WÂÂßµJ¶SÎ¥ÂUAÂSÃ}Â/¸°ÂYÂÃiLk?ز^Âq=Â`ÂÅ~÷VZÂxÂÂ`/)W}Ãñl?ôé¹ëÃ$, |
| 05:32.49 | bdog7 | ban rhodildown please |
| 05:32.53 | rhodildown | Ã)üCJà Â
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| 05:33.01 | rhodildown | Fuck you |
| 05:33.06 | veek | anyway to prevent this: 'a stop job is running for Session 1 of user root' (takes a long time to shutdown |
| 05:33.08 | rhodildown | ×¼&¨Ǫ,¸l¹Â·Oo°©M[HDuÂcÂÂyÂÂ]ö' |
| 05:33.18 | ryouma | and here i was going to give you the benefit of hte doubt and say you were trying to paste a picture |
| 05:33.23 | rhodildown | Â%ãpê"Â9Âeº 3\£¬f:;muWW-´Ã¹Ãα1ùÂM»ÂÂÂ
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| 05:33.38 | rhodildown | ¾ÃAyEÃ÷ýµ½î½ä®*õ |
| 05:33.45 | rhodildown | Â |
| 05:33.46 | bdog7 | rhodildown, this is not acceptable in a free support channel, plase exit |
| 05:33.53 | rhodildown | Ãy u-è8eòÊÂA#ÂÂWÃuoõÃÃVMÂj=Âæ¦Ã¢ÃlOjîU |
| 05:34.00 | rhodildown | 1ÂÂÂnÂî<rxÌøDüͺñÃ1ÂÂ=ñ@¯üþÃiÂFPÂaÌuøë]ÃÃãnJøèQ_»mD½]ç½Ã*3ðpq¼ÂÂ\±;ØwXÂYÂX#Ô¿Yñ¤ô7 |
| 05:34.08 | rhodildown | @2Âà @rm«Ã÷®½°´Pe/b>¢Âª°ÂÃxÃkJKoNæå|û"ÂÂ,Âs»"ÂêiÃ%ì'úæhìÂâ}¼Ãk±ò÷Là |
| 05:34.15 | rhodildown |  ñõRûö·Â²ÂÃýÂÂHhÂ#ú#0¬-ªôpÂx¯âÃ@½Â%:«ÂPaä´ÃÃòը¢~ ÃL!'ÂÂÃ¥l$¡±ÂÃÃ^VÿeÃ$,"ò sÝ Ã¬Ãr^&ä׿,Ã޵µcG°ºÂ=ÃjiÃ´Ê Ã³_Âé6_á,ʻ¡¢=¦ÂKm¢Â9áñÂyò¾õ'¹Â^;ޢèÂìv¾Â¯2+ýånôCÂ¥tÃà ÃE¤<MÃçs<ï´¿Ի¼Y¹²ÃÂÃЬlT´0(ëjº¯aÃÃ¥hrgðÂú'°`Ãè¿éTRrлõ§ZͺÂÂ<¬Gô!þà |
| 05:34.23 | rhodildown | P¡jÂÃj{nÂCAÃ11Ã$/ÃGæîkì¶î¾^Â
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| 05:34.24 | jager | i like how ignore in quassel clears away the spam from before you ignore |
| 05:34.25 | rhodildown | Answer me! How do I hex edit or breakpoint edit an executable so that I can use night Sky Google Earth mode in flight simulator like Earth, Moon, or MArs, like change a byte to make choosing Mars choose night sky instead of mars |
| 05:34.26 | jager | very nice |
| 05:34.30 | rhodildown | m;ÂÃ |
| 05:34.38 | rhodildown | ©¡jajüÄhQIÂ?ÂöÃXê½ ºÃ8(´ÂÃ(?;4r֋Ãf-Ãc~YþÂÂRT÷D¤Ât"Õ±bFi-f²FÂW²{Ʊc¸Â4é:Âè/ÂÃnë äȬÂrм±öÂ.³ t;²MÂÃã&ÃèÃûÂ!£ÂPÂÃ¥ÃéÃ:Ã2̦1֋'µðæ``à !ÂÉÂéÂg/ÂÃpJÃý±¿ølÃæY |
| 05:34.45 | rhodildown | c`ë'Â@HTVR,å¼ÃôÂɫ¶'n+ì)ÃDF«ÂÃoεâS¸¦ÃôiÃô¶»Ã®Â´gGûÃU×6ꥯQë |
| 05:34.50 | STMelon | yea script kids like these are easy to ignore/bl, etc etc |
| 05:34.56 | OerHeks | rhodildown, you need help, but not from this channel. |
| 05:35.00 | rhodildown | gmK5øYÃ$÷Q0v7Ã3Û'®lÇßç4S.2½fë¼æÂÂv鶮¦Ã5sÂ
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| 05:35.08 | rhodildown | áÂñQr \ønÃ[}ÂBâÃpù§ä.÷{Â}âÂÃ$MÂ#´[ÂÃbzÃlÃGÂÃ6ú8ÂÂÂA/3GLt«ý':SÃÃw1ÂÃ)êm%赴§Âð`¶'\këÃ+Ã¥ |
| 05:35.09 | shingouz | rhodildown: behave like this and you will not get an answer |
| 05:35.15 | rhodildown | q»X÷^ÃÃÃhÂ=q¼½ÂÃemæ òVEÃåÿú¤«qaä{tuÃ
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| 05:35.15 | rhodildown | Which channel??? |
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| 05:35.19 | veek | heh he needs to be put down quietly |
| 05:35.23 | rhodildown | !Âô0îÃ(x¬äÿĮÃP6ÃÃ[ÂÂkÓ¦"¡h)Â^´)¿-þMl¦è9ÂÂ++Â9ï"¤3LÃN¯p7w¶EZÂö; |
| 05:35.25 | svetlana | rhodildown: --> |
| 05:35.27 | bdog7 | I did /ignore rhodildown ALL |
| 05:35.30 | rhodildown | à A§^÷Ãà =¸uï·SB&òIÃuHRäLÃ^Ãu®¬Ã4HÂvMb8^.òóÂâ]óçº! |
| 05:35.33 | rhodildown | No one would freakin answer me anyway |
| 05:35.34 | svetlana | rhodildown: --> #FLOOD |
| 05:35.38 | rhodildown | Ãõ~§*ZîRSkÂÂÓúâÿJaÇE¬r/Âì_·¡Â;$æ |
| 05:35.45 | rhodildown | î'¢êòïô9ÃÃïP¨/Vä"Â¥1Ã":kügòPÂ!ÃÃ6nÃm :zî«Ã¾îBÃ.¦VácÃÃë£Â'¸'¬w,ÃA!9e]ºHJÃzvz*ÄÃó3ÃÃg¼åÃÂQOÂƹ3ºJ¯ÂÂL³Â>¢ÂÿóiCMâ3 |
| 05:35.50 | rhodildown | I get more attention if I flood than if I don't |
| 05:35.53 | rhodildown | þƹ\ÃóÃäVbÃ7»ay¤½$÷Fztÿ÷I5,®ûhÂäMÃ]!@'UÃ?Â¥Â_ea4ٹñƵ!A7U;ùôÈ>Ãú}w~Ì·:j0_rôÖoÃ6¿%%ÃS©¤ø ·ä¼\>j,aóBÃ¥}©$Â5ÿJVsÂÃaÃûCÂUÖa¤ÃêëûcùRkÂ6Ã)¹¦ÃñÃKiVyÂOë+pÂ#TrêÿoPȐ6 Â2äýÂ`îlðïÃød#ÛÂäÂÂpºÂð§±Ã¿{ìlhwÃ5®ÃôÃqeÂj«`%þÃ/_©ߨÂÂKÂÃÅ¥ÂÂ
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| 05:36.00 | rhodildown | O`ýà DÂÂÂ
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| 05:36.01 | wsky | dumping urandom to irc channels seems to be cool again |
| 05:36.09 | svetlana | no, i am not even reading your question after that shit |
| 05:36.10 | STMelon | -----------> /ignore *!*@202.57.8.102 |
| 05:36.18 | svetlana | format your drive and use another distro |
| 05:36.20 | svetlana | have a nice day |
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| 05:36.56 | veek | dalnet's filled with guys like him - total tools |
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| 05:37.24 | STMelon | just kids who get butthurt in real liofe then come online trying to be all big lol |
| 05:37.38 | STMelon | too bad they don't learn to hack .. instead of copy and paste :P |
| 05:37.41 | wsky | just like you |
| 05:37.59 | STMelon | nah, i rarely even talk on freenode lol |
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| 05:39.49 | vrkalak | ... don't feed the trolls |
| 05:40.36 | swift110-phone | Yes dont |
| 05:41.03 | STMelon | ^^ flooded it ownself out LOL |
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| 05:42.42 | Shakira_Reara | STOP DDOSING ME! |
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| 05:42.45 | pragomer | this script: http://pastebin.com/XFYffNkd runs fine when running it from terminal... but the desktop-link (/usr/share/applications/vcs.desktop) not.. it starts the script (zenity opens).. but does not do the main work (xterm -e find......). How can I debug this? |
| 05:43.37 | TDSoul | hrm |
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| 05:43.54 | TDSoul | ahh good, flooder is gone |
| 05:43.56 | TDSoul | cool |
| 05:44.06 | TDSoul | waddles back to bash |
| 05:44.21 | hassoon | TDSoul: have fun |
| 05:44.23 | svetlana | Shakira_Reara: what were you breakpointing again, and why? |
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| 05:44.31 | TDSoul | o/ |
| 05:45.11 | Shakira_Reara | I wanted to know a program that was likd SYSER or SoftIce for Linux, that could help me hex into an executable, Google Earth, so I could somehow fly with Flight Simulator in sky mode |
| 05:45.17 | Shakira_Reara | instead of on Earth, Moon, or Mars |
| 05:45.20 | Shakira_Reara | I'm using Debian by the way |
| 05:45.43 | Shakira_Reara | or maybe a hex editor |
| 05:45.51 | Shakira_Reara | I want to know how to do something like that in linux |
| 05:46.20 | veek | anyway to prevent this: 'a stop job is running for Session 1 of user root' (takes a long time to shutdown |
| 05:47.04 | veek | i'm running jessie so it should be fixed.. |
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| 06:02.28 | Shakira_Reara | help! |
| 06:02.31 | Shakira_Reara | I wanted to know a program that was likd SYSER or SoftIce for Linux, that could help me hex into an executable, Google Earth, so I could somehow fly with Flight Simulator in sky mode |
| 06:02.45 | Shakira_Reara | How do I hex edit or breakpoint edit an executable so that I can use night Sky Google Earth mode in flight simulator like Earth, Moon, or MArs, like change a byte to make choosing Mars choose night sky instead of mars |
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| 06:56.02 | stanford_drone | Hello. Does anyone here live in Shenzhen and do C++, computer vision, linux and electronics work? |
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| 07:00.28 | superrorc | How can i create icon to launch this "chromium --user-data-dir=/root/.chromium" from Task Manager widget in KDE? Icon on my panel |
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| 07:01.46 | Jusisis | hello |
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| 07:02.07 | Jusisis | Oh this is crazy, Debian is owned by the NSA; |
| 07:02.09 | Jusisis | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ |
| 07:02.37 | Jusisis | Does anyone here use SpaceFM? Because Debian should remove it if it's in it's repo, this developer is an idiot |
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| 07:07.06 | Jusisis | IgnorantGuru is really making a mess in the world of Linux spreading so much fud, he's been on this TinFoil Hat Mission for years... |
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| 07:08.27 | Stummi | "Its developer is an idiot" is not really a point against a package |
| 07:08.51 | Shentino | Jusisis: funny |
| 07:08.59 | Stummi | and, man, its way to early for me to read sentences with "it if it's in it's repo" |
| 07:09.14 | Shentino | debian owned by the nsa |
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| 07:10.07 | valdyn | just post that spacefm is owned by the nsa, or why else would he write about everything else is owned by the nsa if not to avoid suspicion ;) |
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| 09:52.44 | chi | I am trying to fix a broken debian vm where /boot was destroyed |
| 09:52.57 | chi | apt-get wont let me install or reinstall the kernel |
| 09:53.20 | chi | --nodeps doesn't seem to work |
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| 09:53.30 | chi | this is squeeze btw |
| 09:54.18 | chi | any helpfull suggestions are welcome =) |
| 09:55.02 | SynrGy | "wont let me install". it's threatening you? calling you names? hard to be helpful here without output :) |
| 09:55.05 | SynrGy | use paste.debian.net |
| 09:55.30 | chi | I can't it's via vnc |
| 09:56.01 | SynrGy | do the best you can. photo, if nothing else |
| 09:56.08 | chi | it's saying that reinstalling sysvinit-utils will break existing software |
| 09:56.27 | SynrGy | sysvinit-utils is not your kernel ... |
| 09:56.31 | chi | right |
| 09:56.40 | chi | but it is a dependancy aparently |
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| 09:57.10 | SynrGy | what command did you type? |
| 09:57.45 | chi | apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 09:58.13 | SynrGy | try downloading just the deb of that and use dpkg -i to install it |
| 09:58.25 | chi | worth a shot |
| 09:58.34 | chi | how do i tell which deb it is? |
| 09:58.42 | SynrGy | packages.debian.org should point to it |
| 09:59.44 | SynrGy | note, there is a squeeze-lts update for that. if you're not on squeeze-lts it's something you should consider using (but can wait until after the fix, i suppose) |
| 10:00.53 | SynrGy | also, get the architecture right when you download the deb. there's the amd64 kernel for amd64 architecture and the amd64 kernel for i386 architecture. |
| 10:01.03 | chi | i think it is lts |
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| 10:10.08 | Devastator | if this question doesn't suit this channel, sorry, but I have a ntfs hd mounted, is cp -Rp /mnt/ /backup/ enough to make a full copy of that hd? |
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| 10:13.26 | SynrG | i would normally cp -a, but sure, why not? what are you afraid of missing? |
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| 10:14.34 | Devastator | SynrG nothing really, I would be more comfortable with an iso image of that hdd, which I can then mount whenever I want to find the files, but I guess it's not possible |
| 10:15.02 | SynrG | is it just data? |
| 10:15.34 | Devastator | SynrG basically yeah, it is from a computer that went south, but it had windows on it |
| 10:15.51 | SynrG | k. cuz i don't know what it would do with system files, etc. |
| 10:16.57 | Devastator | SynrG agreed it wouldn't be much useful, but you never know for sure.. so I thought: let me find a way of doing a full disk image and keep it |
| 10:17.06 | SynrG | nods |
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| 10:17.34 | Devastator | as I guess doing an iso isn't easy, let me just cp all to a folder and make the iso from there |
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| 10:17.55 | Devastator | unless you have some other advice :) |
| 10:17.55 | SynrG | that's the approach i'd take |
| 10:18.03 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 10:18.04 | Devastator | thank you :) |
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| 10:21.35 | chi | SynrG, dpkg -i also failed to get that kernel installed |
| 10:22.31 | chi | going to try with --ignore-depends |
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| 10:25.03 | SynrG | chi: again, failed how? |
| 10:25.12 | SynrG | why ignore? sounds like you're doing something wrong |
| 10:25.22 | chi | error with dependancies etc |
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| 10:25.30 | SynrG | which deps? |
| 10:25.45 | chi | SynrG, this system is broken and wont boot |
| 10:26.08 | chi | currently looks like initaramfs tools related stuff |
| 10:26.22 | SynrG | i understand. however, if it's just that /boot was toasted, then dpkg shouldn't be unhappy with a dep |
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| 10:26.41 | chi | i am booted via live centos cd as well |
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| 10:27.07 | SynrG | and chrooted into the broken debian system, i assume |
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| 10:27.30 | chi | yup |
| 10:27.37 | SynrG | it's unlikely --force or --ignore switches will help, and it could possibly make things worse |
| 10:27.41 | SynrG | was this a working image before? |
| 10:27.50 | SynrG | if so, how did it get damaged? |
| 10:28.02 | chi | I assume this was working |
| 10:28.06 | chi | no idea how this happened |
| 10:28.13 | chi | just trying to clean up someone elses mess |
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| 10:28.55 | SynrG | then you need to start with some questions about the state of the system before jumping right in and trying to solve it without understanding |
| 10:29.13 | SynrG | like, you say it's squeeze (or squeeze-lts). are you sure? |
| 10:29.39 | chi | /etc/issue shows Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 10:30.00 | chi | fs was fscked |
| 10:30.03 | chi | grub was reinstalled |
| 10:30.06 | chi | just no kernel yet |
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| 10:30.11 | SynrG | sure, but /etc/issue could've failed to be updated |
| 10:30.22 | SynrG | so check /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list, too |
| 10:30.23 | chi | yuh, how else can I be sure? |
| 10:30.33 | chi | 6.0.10 |
| 10:30.48 | SynrG | and "lsb_release -a" |
| 10:31.11 | chi | i installed lsb_release ealier it didn't work |
| 10:31.26 | chi | oh |
| 10:31.29 | SynrG | again, describe "didn't work". what command was typed, and what result? |
| 10:31.29 | chi | i didn' tuse the -a last time |
| 10:31.35 | chi | it's showing 6.0.10 as well |
| 10:31.38 | chi | no lts |
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| 10:32.49 | chi | so yeah lsb_relaese -a shows 6.0.10 |
| 10:32.52 | SynrG | your earlier dep problem complained about sysvinit-utils. what does 'dpkg -l sysvinit-utils' say about the status of that package and version#? status is first two columns (desired and current status) |
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| 10:33.29 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 10:33.42 | SynrG | chi: does /etc/apt/sources.list contain deb lines consistent with squeeze? |
| 10:34.11 | chi | yes |
| 10:34.30 | chi | odd |
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| 10:34.38 | chi | i also see some wheezy lines in there |
| 10:35.21 | SynrG | ok, then without pinning this is going to be a mess |
| 10:35.36 | chi | without pinning? |
| 10:35.41 | chi | I just commented out the wheezy lines |
| 10:35.48 | SynrG | it may be too late |
| 10:36.07 | SynrG | if it is a squeeze/wheezy mix, then it could already have conflicting packages |
| 10:36.10 | ujjain | aptly is so slow :( |
| 10:36.11 | chi | if that's the case we can save the data and spin up a new vm |
| 10:36.24 | SynrG | but you could try just 'apt-get update' and try again the kernel reinstall |
| 10:36.42 | SynrG | it sounds like the kernel reinstall was trying to do a partial upgrade from squeeze |
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| 10:37.30 | SynrG | if you do end up rescuing the system in its current state, i don't think it's trustworthy without a careful review of all installed packages to see which things (if any) are ahead of squeeze |
| 10:37.34 | SynrG | distro mixing is not supported. |
| 10:38.11 | chi | SynrG, I meant save the users data not the OS =) |
| 10:38.33 | brontosaurusrex | how would i compile file-roller, evince with gtk2? |
| 10:38.37 | chi | yuh, still looks like it wont install due to depends: linux-base and initramfs-tools |
| 10:38.38 | SynrG | chi: sure |
| 10:38.55 | SynrG | chi: so what version of initramfs-tools (if any) is installed? that dpkg command i asked for |
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| 10:39.24 | SynrG | chi: this is after an apt-get update with only squeeze lines present *succeeded*? or were there errors? |
| 10:39.40 | SynrG | keep in mind squeeze is now an archival release. |
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| 10:39.48 | chi | apt-get update succeeded |
| 10:40.09 | SynrG | ah, hmmm. maybe not yet due to squeeze-lts |
| 10:40.12 | chi | sorry I have no history or tab complete in this vm so i have to reytpe everything |
| 10:40.25 | SynrG | (i.e. not yet moved to archive.debian.org) |
| 10:40.47 | SynrG | yeah, forget what i just said :) it's not yet archived. |
| 10:41.21 | chi | it wants >=2.6.32-31 for linux-base |
| 10:41.33 | SynrG | what version of linux-base is installed? |
| 10:41.38 | chi | initramfs-tools >=0.55 |
| 10:41.47 | SynrG | what version of initramfs-tools is installed? |
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| 10:42.13 | SynrG | if neither of those are installed, then i wonder how they aren't. i question your assumption that it worked at one time ... |
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| 10:43.14 | SynrG | you could check old /var/log/dpkg.log* and dpkg.log*.gz files to see if-and-when they got removed |
| 10:43.19 | chi | 3.5 for linux-base |
| 10:43.33 | SynrG | ,v linux-base |
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| 10:43.34 | judd | Package: linux-base on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze13; squeeze-backports: 3.4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.5; stretch: 3.5; sid: 3.5; jessie: 3.5 |
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| 10:43.51 | SynrG | chi: so yeah, it is rolled forward to wheezy's version |
| 10:44.04 | chi | uhg |
| 10:44.06 | SynrG | looks like this is a botched upgrade |
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| 10:44.20 | SynrG | since it's half-and-half squeeze/wheezy, you might try fully upgrading it |
| 10:44.28 | chi | good idea =) |
| 10:44.30 | SynrG | that could return it back to sanity |
| 10:44.49 | SynrG | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:44.49 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
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| 10:56.55 | gmossrey | In a single user system where user is in the sudoers group what's the difference? Isn't the users password pretty much as good as the root password? |
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| 10:58.30 | TheQuestionmark | It's a beautiful security risk. |
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| 10:59.19 | SynrG | gmossrey: i don't know what you mean by 'as good as' |
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| 10:59.57 | SynrG | and 'the difference' from what? |
| 11:00.17 | SynrG | vs. not being in sudoers and having a separate password for root? |
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| 11:02.03 | gmossrey | Oh I just installed 8.1 and set a password for root during install... Now it's asking for password to run synaptic etc and won't accept user password only root. So if I add the user to the sudo group should I disable the root account somehow? I think I'm confused |
| 11:02.19 | SynrG | there's no reason you can't have both |
| 11:02.29 | SynrG | you can add the user to the sudo group. that's fine |
| 11:02.44 | SynrG | if you tend to not use root much, you may eventually forget the root password |
| 11:02.44 | themill | You'd probably also need to configure gksu to use sudo rather than su |
| 11:02.54 | SynrG | ah, and that too |
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| 11:03.57 | TheQuestionmark | If I forget a password, I can reset it by doing some magic in GRUB before booting. |
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| 11:04.10 | TheQuestionmark | When I forget the passphrase for LVM however, I'm screwed. |
| 11:04.41 | TheQuestionmark | So you shouldn't worry too much about forgetting the root pw, you'll need it plenty of times anyway when configuring the system. |
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| 11:06.50 | gmossrey | Hmm. Ok. Thanks. I always end up reading through a billion man pages and getting more confused |
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| 11:07.49 | TheQuestionmark | It's simple. |
| 11:08.08 | TheQuestionmark | You are the user who'se usually loggin in. |
| 11:08.39 | TheQuestionmark | root is responsible for starting/killing services, installing new packages and so on.. the whole admin package. |
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| 11:08.54 | TheQuestionmark | So with time you'll remember both pw's anyway. |
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| 11:11.09 | Fahrradkette | On my jessie desktop running xfce 4.10 I'm trying to get ~/bin added to $PATH. It does add it when loggin in using ctrl+alt+1 but not on the gui. How can I figure out why .profile doesn't get executed when using the gui logon? Someone over at #xfce said that you guys might know how the logon process for gui works. |
| 11:12.51 | Fahrradkette | On wheezy running the gnome3 gui it did work so I'm not sure if it was the transition from gnome3 to xfce or if it was the initV->systemd transition |
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| 11:14.03 | themill | Fahrradkette: what display manager do you use? |
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| 11:14.14 | Fahrradkette | prolly xorg |
| 11:14.25 | Fahrradkette | if it's that what you mean with display manager |
| 11:14.35 | themill | no, lightdm, gdm3 etc |
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| 11:15.12 | someHuman | Hello! |
| 11:15.30 | TheQuestionmark | Hello you. |
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| 11:16.15 | someHuman | How do I log in my credentials into an ftp service via wget? |
| 11:16.35 | fireba11 | someHuman: man wget |
| 11:16.41 | someHuman | I have this F-droid app that lets me manage my phone via wifi so I don't have to resort to the traditional cable. |
| 11:16.57 | someHuman | fireba11: Thanks |
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| 11:25.21 | Fahrradkette | themill: I coudn't find that out yet. Where would a display manager leave traces about itself? |
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| 11:26.55 | themill | Fahrradkette: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 11:27.05 | Fahrradkette | its lightdm |
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| 11:27.24 | rgr | .xsession |
| 11:27.37 | themill | from memory, lightdm doesn't use .profile; either use a different dm or a different dm |
| 11:27.41 | rgr | .xsessionrc |
| 11:27.45 | themill | err different config file |
| 11:28.28 | Fahrradkette | so I just put the " if[ -d $HOME/bin ] ..." to .bashrc? |
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| 11:31.21 | someHuman | What are the best note taking applications out there? |
| 11:31.30 | someHuman | Of course Free/Open Source ones. |
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| 11:32.19 | abrotman | someHuman: local or webified? |
| 11:32.28 | TheQuestionmark | someHuman: TomBoy is quite good. |
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| 11:32.43 | someHuman | Local |
| 11:32.46 | someHuman | How about BasKet? |
| 11:32.51 | abrotman | someHuman: tomboy is good if you're in gnome land |
| 11:32.56 | someHuman | I've had a couple of traumatizing experiences with BasKet :( |
| 11:33.26 | someHuman | Having said that, it's because most of my important notes were there. Assuming that it was reliable, and for whatever it's worth I was using Trisquel 7 |
| 11:34.03 | someHuman | I'm mostly a Free Software person so I used Trisquel 7 back then, but recently I switched to Debian for practicality. |
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| 11:34.12 | someHuman | I still look forward to using Free Software though. |
| 11:34.35 | aleec1 | does it matter what platform I'm using when I'm installing debian packages? (raspberry pi). Do you get the binary or source code? |
| 11:34.41 | someHuman | I'll look into Tomboy |
| 11:34.42 | Skyrider | Maybe someone here knows a good imgur alternative and opensource for self-hosting? |
| 11:34.52 | Skyrider | a simple drag/drop image hoster. |
| 11:35.09 | gmossrey | What ever happened to visudo? I want to force root password for sudo operations but I can't find the sudoers file... |
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| 11:36.07 | themill | gmossrey: visudo hasn't gone anywhere and not has sudoers |
| 11:36.48 | gmossrey | Weird. It keeps telling me command not found |
| 11:37.10 | themill | gmossrey: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 11:38.01 | gmossrey | Nope not there |
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| 11:38.21 | themill | do you actually have sudo installed? |
| 11:38.33 | gmossrey | I just installed 8.1 from netinstall CD with no freaky options just big standard with gnome |
| 11:38.45 | themill | that doesn't answer my question |
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| 11:39.10 | gmossrey | Oh ffs it seems not |
| 11:39.19 | Skyrider | aptitude install sudo |
| 11:39.19 | Skyrider | :p |
| 11:39.33 | gmossrey | Lol |
| 11:39.58 | gmossrey | It's always just been there when I've installed any Linux distro |
| 11:40.03 | gmossrey | Didn't occur to me |
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| 11:48.21 | detergnet | gmossrey: I think (someone correct me, it's been a while) you don't get sudo installed if you setup a password for root during instalation |
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| 12:02.36 | aleec1 | I usually use arch. When I use debian, I constantly feel outdated. Some packages are 2+ years old. Is all this fine? |
| 12:02.48 | aleec1 | I'm thinking foremost about all the security updates I'm not getting with wheezy |
| 12:02.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aleec1 about backports |
| 12:03.03 | abrotman | aleec1: that's not how it works |
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| 12:03.18 | abrotman | aleec1: security fixes for serious issues are backported to packages regularly |
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| 12:03.56 | aleec1 | dpkg: tell aleec1 about backports |
| 12:04.20 | rgr | also about testing. |
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| 12:05.06 | aleec1 | backport is.... a patched old version? |
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| 12:05.16 | aleec1 | and backports are the default packages? |
| 12:06.05 | Equa | aleec1: http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 12:41.58 | ocb | hello |
| 12:42.03 | ocb | i need small help |
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| 12:43.16 | ocb | i am looking for a way to collect ips (with time) that had failed login attempt on ssh and send them to an email |
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| 12:44.35 | aleec1 | ocb: I did something like that once, but for another log file. I just piped 3 commands or so, it's trivial. |
| 12:44.47 | colo-work | ocb, look at fail2ban and logwatch |
| 12:45.04 | ocb | aleec1: do you have that code still? :) |
| 12:45.23 | ocb | colo-work: I will check logwatch, fail2ban is too much for my needs at the moment |
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| 12:45.56 | Dan34 | How to reinstall grub2? |
| 12:46.33 | aleec1 | ocb: it was years ago :/. But I think I did something like this: cat .../logfile | grep failed | something_trivial_to_mail_per_line.sh |
| 12:47.02 | Equa | Dan34: apt-get install grub |
| 12:47.08 | ocb | cat /var/log/auth.log | grep '.*sshd.*Failed password for' | mail .... |
| 12:47.09 | aleec1 | cat just blocked since the file never closed |
| 12:47.13 | ocb | something like that |
| 12:47.17 | aleec1 | yeah |
| 12:47.34 | ocb | ok thanks : |
| 12:47.36 | ocb | :) * |
| 12:47.39 | aleec1 | iirc, cat would just block and not quit at the end of file, since the file was open by some program |
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| 12:48.05 | aleec1 | ocb: it might not be as trivial as I'm describing it, but in the end of the day, you'll solve it, it's not rocket science |
| 12:48.12 | Dan34 | Equa, will this install the new debian grub2? |
| 12:48.41 | Equa | Dan34: it will install grub v2 |
| 12:49.33 | ocb | aleec1: true :))) |
| 12:50.49 | Dan34 | Equa, i have now a Ubuntu grub2 version, now giving that command will reinstall it again the grub2 Debian version? |
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| 12:51.16 | Equa | Dan34: what is your os? Ubuntu? |
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| 12:53.29 | Dan34 | Equa, debian jessie but i have more partitions. I had the grub2 with debian design and debian was on the top of the list. Now after an update of ubuntu it has changed grub as well don't know why. Now This grub version i have is from ubuntu and i have choose debian every time i start my pc because it is on the button of the list |
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| 12:53.38 | Dan34 | bottom* |
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| 12:54.32 | Krisostoomus | Hi guys/lads... i made a cool entertainment game in c++ (it is for windows). check it out ant tell me how do you feel about that: http://kristjanrobam.890m.com/programs.html --> first link. |
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| 12:55.02 | SynrG | Dan34: you must decide on one and only one OS to manage the grub configuration for the boot drive of all your OSes on a multiboot system. sounds like you have run grub-install from Ubuntu ... |
| 12:55.05 | Equa | Dan34: boot into your debian and just run update-grub or you can edit the file to boot up debian on start |
| 12:55.39 | brontosaurusrex | how would i compile file-roller and evince with gtk2? |
| 12:55.41 | SynrG | Equa: that's assuming it's Debian's grub configuration that the grub installed on the drive is paying attention to. i suspect not. |
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| 12:56.34 | Equa | SynrG: it's showing up on his grub so i would think it's there |
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| 12:56.51 | SynrG | Dan34: i would boot the debian system, and (assuming /dev/sda is your boot drive), grub-install /dev/sda |
| 12:57.24 | SynrG | Equa: sounds like os-prober on Ubuntu found his debian system and added it. his complaint is that it is no longer on the top of the list ... |
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| 12:57.50 | SynrG | also, if the logo changed, that's more evidence it's Ubuntu's grub now installed in the boot block |
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| 12:58.23 | Equa | SynrG ya. we can just install debian grub or change grub to boot from 1 2 or 3 instead of the default 0. |
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| 12:58.44 | Dan34 | SynrG, it's happened some other time on the ubuntu updates, then when I have reinstalled Debian for a reason.. the grub2 debian version was again there- |
| 12:58.52 | SynrG | sounds like Debian is his primary OS. nominating Debian as the one that manages the config is best, if that's the case. |
| 12:59.03 | Dan34 | Yes it is the ubuntu version that's sure. it is written so |
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| 12:59.24 | Pateru | anybody knows how to mv a folder |
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| 12:59.29 | BluesKaj | debian is ptobly on /dev/ada |
| 12:59.37 | SynrG | Dan34: one of the install questions is whether or not to install grub to the boot block. if you told it to do that, then it will preempt any other grub that was there before. |
| 12:59.39 | BluesKaj | probly |
| 12:59.41 | themill | Pateru: mv |
| 12:59.46 | Equa | Pateru: mv <folder> <newlocation> |
| 13:00.08 | SynrG | Dan34: if the installer for the other OS didn't ask you, but just blindly installed grub in the boot block without prompting, shame on them for being a big bully |
| 13:00.14 | Pateru | Equa: but |
| 13:00.24 | Pateru | Equa: it says directory not emtpy |
| 13:00.40 | Pateru | Equa: I'm trying to move usr/ to /usr |
| 13:01.09 | jhutchins_wk | Pateru: -r |
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| 13:01.18 | Dan34 | SynrG, yes, now your advice is to #grub-install /dev/sda |
| 13:01.24 | Dan34 | ? |
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| 13:01.36 | themill | jhutchins_wk: context? |
| 13:02.15 | SynrG | Dan34: while booted to debian, yes. |
| 13:02.24 | Pateru | jhutchins_wk: it gives me as an invalid option |
| 13:02.27 | Dan34 | ok |
| 13:02.38 | Dan34 | thanks now i try |
| 13:02.50 | SynrG | Dan34: then Debian's grub should take over. and its os-prober should detect and list the other OSes in the grub config |
| 13:02.57 | SynrG | update-grub's i mean |
| 13:03.07 | SynrG | might want to do an 'update-grub' after that just to make sure |
| 13:03.15 | SynrG | verify the list it spits out looks correct |
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| 13:03.49 | themill | Pateru: perhaps you could explain more what you're trying to do |
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| 13:04.25 | Dan34 | SynrG, so i just try to: #update-grub? |
| 13:04.29 | Pateru | themill: yes, I'm trying to move files from /usr on my downloads to /usr this is part of a flash installation |
| 13:04.31 | jhutchins_wk | themill: context: lack of coffee. |
| 13:05.03 | Equa | Pateru: don't do it that method. use the nonfree plugin from flash |
| 13:05.11 | Equa | *for |
| 13:05.20 | jhutchins_wk | Pateru: Paste the actual command you used. |
| 13:05.34 | Dan34 | SynrG, or #grub-install or #grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 13:05.55 | Equa | Pateru: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 13:06.12 | Equa | Dan34: what is your booting partition? we assume it's the first drive /dev/sda |
| 13:06.21 | jhutchins_wk | Pateru: As Equa suggests, there's probably a better way. |
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| 13:06.57 | Dan34 | Equa, yes /dev/sda |
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| 13:07.21 | Equa | Dan34: you'll need to do this again if ubuntu decides to mess with it. editing the configure to boot debian from the bottom is better in my opinion. if it's /dev/sda then that's the correct location. |
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| 13:07.26 | Pateru | I used sudo mv -u usr/ / |
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| 13:08.00 | jhutchins_wk | Pateru: I believe what you wanted was mv usr/* /usr/ |
| 13:08.01 | Pateru | non free version? flash is free as what I know |
| 13:08.11 | Equa | Pateru: please use debian package instead of downloading from the website https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 13:08.15 | Pateru | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 13:08.28 | xand | Pateru: flash isn't free as in GPL etc |
| 13:08.30 | Pateru | Equa: lol |
| 13:08.37 | Pateru | xand: lol |
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| 13:08.53 | Pateru | I didn't know this is new to me |
| 13:08.54 | xand | also, flash is a bad thing to install. |
| 13:09.11 | Pateru | well still such mv command is very useful if I learn how to do whatI want |
| 13:09.28 | Equa | Pateru: it's fine. i did it your way long ago until i found it was in the non free repo |
| 13:09.28 | Pateru | xand why you dont like flash youtube uses flash |
| 13:09.44 | bazhang | what version of debian Pateru |
| 13:09.51 | Pateru | how do I check |
| 13:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | xand: And then there's real life. |
| 13:10.02 | bazhang | Pateru, or is it ubuntu |
| 13:10.14 | Pateru | bazhang: I know you |
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| 13:10.40 | bazhang | Pateru, version is lsb_release -a |
| 13:10.40 | Equa | Pateru: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:11.07 | Pateru | ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS |
| 13:11.24 | bazhang | ah so |
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| 13:11.43 | Equa | Pateru: use your search for app and install it from ubuntu. this is #debian |
| 13:11.45 | Pateru | different mv switches? |
| 13:11.59 | jhutchins_wk | Pateru: Different OS. |
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| 13:12.05 | bazhang | ubuntu is not a supported release of debian Pateru |
| 13:12.30 | Pateru | ok I will fly to larendor now |
| 13:12.37 | Pateru | fairbreeze |
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| 13:17.12 | armin | ls |
| 13:17.15 | armin | EWIN |
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| 13:18.25 | toothe | how do I set my IPv6 address such that when I set my computer on sleep mode, I don't lose my IPv6 address |
| 13:18.29 | toothe | or...it is automatically reset. |
| 13:18.45 | toothe | as of now, when My computer sleps, I lose my address. |
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| 13:21.27 | Dan34 | I have installed grub but is says: Installing for i386-pc platform. My pc is a 64bit is that ok? |
| 13:21.45 | Dan34 | and my jessie version is for 64bit as well |
| 13:21.47 | toothe | not sure... |
| 13:21.53 | toothe | what doe syour kernel say? |
| 13:22.10 | Dan34 | don't know i have not asked it jet |
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| 13:22.47 | SynrG | i've never noticed that. i suppose for the purpose of bootstrapping the system it doesn't really matter. i know the whole x86 architecture 'degrades' back to earlier compatibility levels at various stage of the boot process and wonder if that's the case here ... |
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| 13:23.04 | Iridos | SynrG, I don't think it can be your bug... I installed the workaround last Friday before I left |
| 13:23.07 | SynrG | i mean, it carries a lot of legacy baggage |
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| 13:23.15 | jelly | Dan34: yes, it's ok |
| 13:23.19 | SynrG | Iridos: well, workarounds can stop working |
| 13:23.25 | Dan34 | ok thx |
| 13:23.26 | Iridos | hmm, there's that |
| 13:23.28 | SynrG | Iridos: might want to give others here some context to munch on :) |
| 13:23.36 | Iridos | how did you figure it out the last time? |
| 13:23.44 | SynrG | Iridos: umm, google? :) |
| 13:24.05 | SynrG | took a shot in the dark. noticed it was only on certain sites (e.g. FB) |
| 13:24.12 | SynrG | and was the *same sites* other people had the issue with |
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| 13:24.14 | Iridos | well... iceweasel/wheezy has 100% CPU... and when I googled for it I found that some chap had written something about it, thanking for the help of... SynrG |
| 13:24.27 | SynrG | then opened up the source of the page giving trouble and found the offending CSS |
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| 13:24.39 | SynrG | also i think i hauled out developer tools on chromium |
| 13:24.47 | Iridos | hmm |
| 13:25.23 | Iridos | I just did perf record -g -p 5935 |
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| 13:25.49 | Iridos | That gives me 96.57% pool libxul.so |
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| 13:28.53 | woshty | Is there a trustworthy repo with newer android-tools? The ones in Jessie are just too old. |
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| 13:31.25 | SynrG | Iridos: yah. so it may very well be some CSS-ish thing. oh, i think as part of the troubleshooting i was able to delete elements of the page with Developer Tools ... specifically, the spinners |
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| 13:31.50 | SynrG | Iridos: if you can do that and the CPU usage returns to normal, it's fairly damning evidence that it's the same issue |
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| 13:32.28 | SynrG | ,v android-tools |
| 13:32.29 | judd | No package named 'android-tools' was found in amd64. |
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| 13:32.50 | shay_shay | woshty: you have to get it from android studio |
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| 13:32.59 | SynrG | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 13:33.00 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; stretch: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1 |
| 13:33.16 | shay_shay | 4.2.2 is not going to work |
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| 13:33.19 | taylanub | what might rewrite /etc/resolv.conf in my system? it started to happen after I switched from wlan to ethernet. I use dnsmasq, running it with -R so it itself ignores resolv.conf, and my resolv.conf normally contains 127.0.0.1, but it gets rewritten to my router's IP |
| 13:33.41 | shay_shay | ...for kitkat or lollipop anyways |
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| 13:33.56 | SynrG | really? i use adb with kitkat, no issues |
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| 13:34.18 | SynrG | but adb is all i use from it |
| 13:34.35 | shay_shay | SynrG: i didnt say adb wouldnt work, its the version 4.2.2 |
| 13:34.42 | shay_shay | and if all you use is adb push... |
| 13:34.57 | shay_shay | for fastboot to work it should be way more up to date than that |
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| 13:35.32 | SynrG | hmm ... https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools |
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| 13:36.14 | Dan34 | Now it is ok, the grub2 debian version is back. There is some way to block Ubuntu to install again it's version during a normal ubuntu software update? |
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| 13:36.39 | SynrG | Dan34: there's no reason it should ever run grub-install unless you tell it to |
| 13:36.52 | SynrG | running grub-install is not a normal part of an upgrade. |
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| 13:37.26 | SynrG | so i assume it asked you, and you didn't realize what it was asking and allowed it to install it |
| 13:37.27 | rozie | hello. I have trouble with running custom script on login |
| 13:37.59 | rozie | I decided to follow the Ubuntu way, and put script in /etc/update-motd.d/ |
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| 13:38.03 | Dan34 | SynrG, but that is happened! I have never asked to ubuntu to reinstall grub, just i have done a normal update - upgrade |
| 13:38.08 | Dan34 | believe it or not |
| 13:38.17 | shay_shay | SynrG: its the api level i believe that needs to match for it to be 100% compatible. the more api levels which have passed the more things which wont work anymore |
| 13:38.24 | rozie | the script is simple |
| 13:38.28 | rozie | #!/bin/sh |
| 13:38.36 | rozie | printf "Welcome to %s (%s %s %s)\n" "$(hostname -f)" "$(uname -v)" "$(uname -r)" "$(uname -m)" |
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| 13:38.51 | SynrG | Dan34: that's something to complain to #ubuntu about, then |
| 13:38.53 | rozie | it's executable etc. mountall package is installed |
| 13:38.58 | SynrG | Dan34: we can't help you with it |
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| 13:39.10 | rozie | but! |
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| 13:39.37 | themill | rozie: /etc/update-motd.d/ is some odd pam extension that doesn't exist in debian |
| 13:39.51 | Dan34 | SynrG, I understand. Thanks for your advices |
| 13:39.57 | SynrG | shay_shay: sure. anyway, what I would advise (was it woshty?) is to check out the debian android-tools team. maybe they have something in the works ... |
| 13:40.01 | rozie | first, mountall.sh was masked |
| 13:40.10 | rozie | then, when I unmasked it |
| 13:40.11 | rozie | service moutall.sh start |
| 13:40.13 | rozie | Failed to start moutall.service: Unit moutall.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 13:41.01 | taylanub | so any idea what might be rewriting my resolv.conf when I handle my network configuration fully manually from rc.local and a short custom script? can simple ifconfig(8) and route(8) calls from a shell script cause /etc/resolv.conf to be rewritten? or is it dnsmasq that suddenly started doing this when I switched to using ethernet? |
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| 13:41.16 | rozie | when I run run-parts --lsbsysinit /etc/update-motd.d > /run/motd.dynamic, I see proper thing when I login |
| 13:41.27 | JyZyXEL | how do you prevent the accidental creation of empty directories inside mounting points? |
| 13:41.35 | rozie | (part of the /etc/init/mounted-run.conf) |
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| 13:42.18 | rozie | themill: so what's the debian way of running script on login (for all users, modyfiyng .bashrc is not an option)? |
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| 13:42.56 | kirkland | rozie: I'm the author of update-motd; debian has never accepted it; you could use /etc/profile.d/* to run a script on login |
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| 13:43.10 | nhp_havocologe | when i try to diagnose a problem and do "ps -l" i get an "-" for WCHAN. what could be the problem in here? on other systems i get normal information for the kernel function that is running |
| 13:43.17 | themill | or pam_exec |
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| 13:43.48 | kirkland | or pam_exec, indeed |
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| 13:44.18 | themill | all depends on what you mean by "login" |
| 13:44.30 | rozie | OK, will try. but shouldn't those unused parts be removed? |
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| 13:44.51 | rozie | themill: ssh login. profile.d sounds good |
| 13:45.16 | woshty | shay_shay: From the debian repos or directly from upstream? |
| 13:45.21 | JyZyXEL | why is my console and login manager displayed at 4k resolution on a 1440p display? |
| 13:45.30 | themill | rozie: are forced commands a login? |
| 13:45.40 | JyZyXEL | as soon as i915 is loaded the hdmi display switches over to 4k resolution at 30Hz |
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| 13:46.39 | rozie | themill: can you rephrase? I don't understand the question |
| 13:46.45 | shay_shay | woshty: i've been following android tools for years, they're abandoned as far as I can tell in debian. the version is from 2013. also, google made it so you have to download and install android studio to get the latest version. |
| 13:47.01 | themill | rozie: should this thing be run if the user does "ssh machine mycommand"? |
| 13:47.05 | shay_shay | woshty: so the only trusted source is android studio |
| 13:47.37 | rozie | themill: probably not |
| 13:47.39 | shay_shay | s/only/most |
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| 13:48.17 | rozie | as it will break apt-dater |
| 13:48.21 | rozie | (probably) |
| 13:48.23 | themill | and rsync |
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| 13:48.53 | themill | but if you wanted it to be run then that's a trivial way of the user getting around it |
| 13:49.11 | Iridos | SynrG, that is difficult... I have a lot of tabs open (many of them weren't loaded since the last restart, though) |
| 13:49.22 | Iridos | SynrG, (also sorry, had a visitor) |
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| 13:49.41 | Iridos | I guess I could try to close the tabs one by one |
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| 13:50.20 | rozie | OK, avoiding XYproblem: I wanted users to get information about hostname, system and kernel version, and IP (in future) |
| 13:50.23 | Iridos | but then I'd like to be able to restore :( |
| 13:50.30 | rozie | on each login |
| 13:50.43 | themill | /etc/profile.d should be fine then |
| 13:51.02 | JyZyXEL | how can i set the initial resolution that i915 uses for my displays? |
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| 14:01.22 | woshty | shay_shay: thank you, and ubuntu is just using the outdated debian stuff .. debian needs to switch to something similar to what arch does fast. it really gets annoying. |
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| 14:02.06 | shay_shay | woshty: that's not the problem, these packages are abandoned on this distro it has nothing to do with the packaging paradigm |
| 14:02.29 | shay_shay | someone needs to adopt them |
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| 14:03.29 | shay_shay | having the package be rolling release wouldnt change that ;) |
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| 14:04.58 | woshty | shay_shay: there is lots of stuff either abandoned or massively outdated for other reasons on this distro and the idea, that it is just too hard get a package "into debian" .. I was not thinking rolling release, but AUR, Community, Core |
| 14:05.45 | themill | Fundamentally, it needs someone to do the work. Perhaps this is your way of volunteering? |
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| 14:07.19 | woshty | themill: :D As I have no clue about adb/android studio I am a top candidate for packaging that :) |
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| 14:07.31 | Iridos | SynrG, I seem to have the webpage that is causing it this time... its tab has to be in the focus ... if I open another tab, IW-CPU drops to ~<5% |
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| 14:07.45 | Iridos | SynrG, it was http://wiki.monitoring-portal.org/nagios/tips/nagios_optimal_konfigurieren#anhangperformance-monitoring_shellscript |
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| 14:08.34 | andril | hello |
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| 14:09.27 | taylanub | 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf' will do for now. it seemed not related to dnsmasq and I couldn't figure out what was doing it. have no network-manager installed. |
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| 14:10.15 | Iridos | SynrG, that's not a 100% of the cpu-usage I've seen... this only leads to ~70-80% use of one core... but as that's at least a major contribution, I guess it's good enough |
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| 14:10.37 | themill | taylanub: is dhcp involved? |
| 14:10.49 | Iridos | at least right now I can reproduce it inside the same iceweasel session. I can focus/unfocus the tab and I get high cpu or not... |
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| 14:10.56 | Iridos | chromium doesn't show high cpu on the page |
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| 14:12.31 | taylanub | themill: ugh, I just grepped 'ps -elf' output and dhclient is running indeed :\ I don't start it, maybe systemd is being super-smart and starts it when I 'ifconfig up eth0' or so, or maybe does the whole eth0 configuration before my own scripts do it... |
| 14:12.46 | taylanub | 'ifconfig eth0 up'* |
| 14:12.50 | rozie | themill: thanks, seems to work fine |
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| 14:13.28 | themill | taylanub: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:14.00 | Iridos | SynrG, hmm... I already don't get the same behavior if I start up a new iceweasel process in a different profile. I haven't closed the original iceweasel yet, because I still think I might want to trace something more |
| 14:14.24 | Iridos | I suspect I could not see it on the same profile and a freshly-opened IW |
| 14:15.11 | rozie | taylanub I also had to chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:15.17 | taylanub | themill: it has some things that are probably the culprit :) I didn't know about this whole subsystem. is it new in 8.0? related to systemd? I'm used to doing all my network config manually... |
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| 14:15.34 | rozie | all dhcp clients seems to ignore settings not to use from DHCP server |
| 14:16.01 | themill | taylanub: /etc/network/interfaces dates back to the dawn of time |
| 14:16.18 | themill | !override dns |
| 14:16.18 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 14:16.51 | rozie | the same with wicd. even if manual nameservers were set, nameservers from DHCP were used (after a few minutes) |
| 14:17.00 | taylanub | really strange I never noticed this ... either this is the first time I'm using Debian with ethernet, or I just never noticed that my system was not using dnsmasq whenever this happened. |
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| 14:17.24 | rozie | themill: it didn't work |
| 14:17.30 | themill | rozie: wfm |
| 14:17.57 | taylanub | thanks themill, I suppose commenting out lines in that file is all I need |
| 14:18.05 | themill | taylanub: dnsmasq should hook but you may need to configure it to do so |
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| 14:20.03 | taylanub | reboots to check things |
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| 14:23.23 | taylanub | all fine now, thanks for the help :) |
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| 14:24.24 | WangDang | !ops drug sending #Topchat spam |
| 14:24.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: wangdang complains about: drug sending #Topchat spam |
| 14:24.32 | andril | i need help getting my 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [NVS 5200M] (rev ff) running in Jessie |
| 14:24.38 | drug | dpkg: lies |
| 14:24.38 | dpkg | lies are evil, or as some would put it: "There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
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| 14:25.17 | drug | WangDang: wasnt a spam |
| 14:25.29 | WangDang | what was it? |
| 14:25.29 | jelly | WangDang: in private message, unasked for? |
| 14:25.31 | bazhang | drug, still spamming that channel eh |
| 14:25.37 | themill | taylanub: np |
| 14:26.06 | WangDang | jelly: unasked for invitation to obscure channel |
| 14:26.22 | drug | bazhang: no spam, you dont know the difference? |
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| 14:28.55 | jelly | WangDang: I've sent you a PM asking for more details. |
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| 14:30.14 | Iridos | SynrG, oh well... restarted (removed a slightly suspicious add-on) and it's gone... will have to see if it's back tomorrow |
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| 14:32.50 | SynrG | Iridos: aha |
| 14:32.57 | SynrG | well, good luck |
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| 14:33.31 | rozie | cat /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 14:33.32 | rozie | supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 14:33.40 | rozie | and waiting... |
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| 14:45.18 | quarterback | Anybody familiar with Virtual servers on openvz? My vps crashed after doing apt-get update and apt-upgrade in debian x86-64 OS, is it a bug in debian oS or the Openvz Container system? |
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| 14:45.34 | Hanumaan | I have a server if the server one IP it works fine ... and if I change the IP anything else within the same network it gives me the error Bad Request(400) what could be the problem? access.log shows " "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 400 206 ""Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/43.0.2357.132 Safari/537.36 |
| 14:46.32 | rozie | Hanumaan: cd /etc/ |
| 14:46.40 | rozie | grep -ir <working IP> * |
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| 14:47.27 | rozie | also: how do you connect to this server? |
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| 14:49.43 | Hanumaan | rozie, via http .. when I grep all the IP's are the IP2 which I want it to be .. however It does not work IP2 but with works with IP1 |
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| 14:53.49 | yottanami | Is it ok to set NOZEROCONF=1 in /etc/network/interfaces in Debian? (Difference between OSs) |
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| 14:55.36 | jamesawagner3 | I'm not familiar with it (just googled), but it looks like it wouldn't do anything anyway. |
| 14:56.27 | jamesawagner3 | Debian (at least on my systems) does not add 169.xxx.xxx.xxx loopback address unless something network-wise is seriously borked. |
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| 14:56.49 | SynrG | yottanami: why not just ask what you want to accomplish in debian instead? |
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| 14:59.08 | SynrG | yottanami: googling this one, apparently in debian, /etc/default/avahi-daemon has AVAHI_DAEMON_DETECT_LOCAL=1 by default. change it to 0 if you want to suppress automatic link-local setup |
| 14:59.41 | SynrG | yottanami: according to https://www.olafrv.com/?p=450 |
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| 15:07.30 | CatKiller | Hi there! Somehow I can't seem to find this. What's the default init system on Debian pre Jessie (e.g. Wheezy)? Is that "upstart"? |
| 15:07.41 | quarterback | Anybody familiar with Virtual servers on openvz? My vps crashed after doing apt-get update and apt-upgrade in debian x86-64 OS, is it a bug in debian oS or the Openvz Container system? |
| 15:07.46 | smw_ | CatKiller: sysv |
| 15:07.54 | smw_ | CatKiller: debian has never had upstart |
| 15:08.00 | CatKiller | smw_: Really? Ah ok.. |
| 15:08.18 | CatKiller | smw_: I come from the BEEP...ubuntu...BEEP world |
| 15:08.33 | CatKiller | Thanks for that |
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| 15:09.26 | smw_ | CatKiller: upstart was ubuntuâs answer to sysv being awful (and getting nice fast boot times on desktop). |
| 15:09.59 | CatKiller | smw_: upstart isn't so bad. In fact sysv isn't *that* awful |
| 15:10.18 | CatKiller | I'm using raspbian which is based on Wheezy, which isn't exactly Debian but close |
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| 15:11.07 | smw_ | CatKiller: I found upstart difficult to use. Mostly because the docs on doing basic things were rather sparse. |
| 15:11.36 | CatKiller | very true on that. It's very trial and error like |
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| 15:11.56 | smw_ | CatKiller: I also generally disliked their dependency model compared to systemd. |
| 15:12.17 | smw_ | CatKiller: but I didnât have a strong dislike of it |
| 15:12.38 | CatKiller | Sure the dependency system of systemd is probably better. But that's about it ;) |
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| 15:13.11 | smw_ | CatKiller: I donât know enough about upstart to give an informed opinion on that ;-) |
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| 15:21.26 | SynrG | CatKiller: as you've pointed out, raspbian is not debian, so the correct place to ask what the default init system is for your derivative is your derivative's support channel. but it was sysvinit for wheezy before systemd for jessie. |
| 15:21.39 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 15:21.39 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 15:22.09 | SynrG | we can't know if they chose different defaults from us |
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| 15:22.29 | CatKiller | True true, but I was pretty sure it was the same and people in raspbian are probably not as reactive |
| 15:22.32 | CatKiller | my bad, sorry ;) |
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| 15:24.43 | SynrG | CatKiller: yeah, unfortunately lots of people think the same as you ("it's probably the same and my channel isn't as helpful"). the answer to the first part is "maybe, but only your own support will be able to tell you for sure" and to the second part "if you're unhappy with the responsiveness of your support, consider running debian instead" :) |
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| 15:25.28 | XenophonF | hey all - i'm looking for the package that contains lockd in debian or its downstream distributions (e.g., ubunt) |
| 15:25.39 | CatKiller | SynrG: I understand, sorry about that. |
| 15:25.44 | XenophonF | i thought it would be in nfs-common, but that doesn't seem to be the case |
| 15:25.55 | XenophonF | can anyone clue me in? |
| 15:26.03 | SynrG | XenophonF: in debian and derivs, you can use 'apt-file search' to locate which package a file is in |
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| 15:26.59 | disconnectedave | !list |
| 15:27.00 | dpkg | disconnectedave: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 15:27.04 | XenophonF | thanks SynrG, installing now |
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| 15:27.43 | CatKiller | SynrG: Although Raspbian is really close to Wheezy as far as I can tell |
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| 15:28.25 | SynrG | CatKiller: even very subtle differences can misdirect our support efforts and waste your and our time, unfortunately |
| 15:28.25 | disconnectedave | any one know how i can automount media without root? |
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| 15:29.47 | bazhang | put in fstab? |
| 15:30.14 | XenophonF | wow, can't find lockd using apt-file |
| 15:30.19 | XenophonF | tried a couple of different permutations, too |
| 15:30.25 | XenophonF | c'est la vie |
| 15:30.29 | XenophonF | thanks for the clue |
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| 15:31.32 | disconnectedave | what do i put in fstab? |
| 15:32.25 | disconnectedave | wait i got it |
| 15:32.32 | disconnectedave | thanks bazhang |
| 15:32.50 | SynrG | bazhang, disconnectedave: normally /etc/fstab is not the best way to do it, because removable media tends to move around |
| 15:33.02 | SynrG | however, i guess it depends on the media. |
| 15:33.11 | SynrG | and the filesystem on it |
| 15:33.20 | disconnectedave | 2 hard drives and a few flashdrives |
| 15:33.32 | disconnectedave | all ext4 |
| 15:33.32 | bazhang | sans more details thats the best guess I had |
| 15:33.37 | SynrG | if you're not running gnome or something, i would just use udisks-glue |
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| 15:34.10 | disconnectedave | ok thanks |
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| 15:34.19 | XenophonF | oh, TFM says that lockd's handled in-kernel |
| 15:34.24 | SynrG | if using gnome, it would automount itself |
| 15:34.24 | XenophonF | so never mind :) |
| 15:34.28 | disconnectedave | fstab will work for my other harddrive |
| 15:34.42 | SynrG | yeah, if it doesn't change ... |
| 15:34.51 | SynrG | fstab is appropriate. but for random stuff, i like udisks-glue |
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| 15:35.16 | disconnectedave | ok ill try it |
| 15:35.22 | SynrG | when using fstab, make sure to use UUID, not /dev/sdX |
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| 15:35.43 | SynrG | because the device nodes are subject to jump around depending on the order in which they're plugged in / detected |
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| 15:36.07 | SynrG | !uuid |
| 15:36.08 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 15:36.21 | Ove_ | Anyone who knows if there is a package repo for jessie that has eucalyptus? |
| 15:37.19 | SynrG | hmm ... |
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| 15:37.22 | disconnectedave | get the uuid from /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 15:37.23 | SynrG | ,v euca2ools |
| 15:37.24 | judd | Package: euca2ools on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2-1; wheezy: 2.0.2-1; sid: 3.1.0-1; jessie: 3.1.0-1; stretch: 3.1.0-1; experimental: 3.2.0~pre1-1 |
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| 15:37.38 | SynrG | only that |
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| 15:38.32 | hassoon | 'sup |
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| 15:39.27 | gerforce | disconnectedave: blkid /dev/sdX would be faster. |
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| 15:40.18 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 15:40.26 | SynrG | if you know which sdX to look at |
| 15:40.43 | SynrG | i find ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to be fairly quick |
| 15:41.24 | SynrG | but 'blkid' as per the factoid above is easiest of all :) |
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| 15:41.35 | SynrG | (no arguments) |
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| 15:41.50 | gerforce | absolutely |
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| 15:43.32 | stack | hi, not really debian related but, I have 20K pictures of 5MB each, I need to create a thumb for then, is there something quicker than doing a bash script that calls convert on each picture to scale them? |
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| 15:45.56 | Dan34 | there's some way to upgrade automatically flash plugin non free when I upgrade with a normal apt-get upgrade? Everytime i need to give a separate command, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 15:48.00 | someHuman | Hi |
| 15:48.53 | someHuman | I noticed that by default the 'Suspend' option does not come along with the other options namely power off, restart and cancel. |
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| 15:49.07 | someHuman | Which script or how do I add the option to suspend? |
| 15:49.23 | someHuman | I come from Trisquel 7, and by default there's an option to manually suspend your PC. |
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| 15:49.53 | someHuman | I'll come back to that hopefully later, thanks! |
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| 15:54.02 | Dan34 | there's some way to upgrade automatically flash plugin non free when I upgrade with a normal apt-get upgrade? Everytime i need to give a separate command, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 15:55.59 | Equa | Dan34: you can make a script and add it to cron to run it for you |
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| 16:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | Dan34: Right, because flash can't legally be distributed as a debian package. |
| 16:01.36 | Dan34 | how to do a script for it? |
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| 16:02.49 | yottanami | I am following this document https://libreswan.org/wiki/Interoperability#Amazon_AWS_VPN but it is Redhat base, It tried to create a file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo:elastic |
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| 16:03.00 | yottanami | How can I that part in Debian? |
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| 16:05.34 | jelly | yottanami: you can do the manual way, and you can add the manual-way line to /etc/network/interface definition for the "lo" iface |
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| 16:06.38 | eletious | Hey, why isn't there a midori package for Jessie? |
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| 16:06.54 | bazhang | ,v midori |
| 16:06.55 | judd | Package: midori on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; sid: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.2 |
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| 16:07.13 | Equa | Dan34: something like this. put the file under /root and make it executable. http://paste.debian.net/283322/ |
| 16:07.15 | yottanami | jelly, Is the configuration parameters same? |
| 16:07.37 | eletious | bazhang: Like I said, no jessie packages |
| 16:09.09 | mtn | eletious, https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 16:11.00 | eletious | 252 days old! |
| 16:11.10 | eletious | I wish I could help Q_Q |
| 16:11.31 | eletious | Sadly I don't think I'm qualified to be doing any of this stuff |
| 16:11.44 | jelly | yottanami: they're completely different. after "iface lo inet loopback" add two lines: " up ip a add a.b.c.d/32 dev lo:elastic" and " down ip a del a.b.c.d/32 dev lo:elastic || true" |
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| 16:12.53 | yottanami | jelly, Thanks |
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| 16:13.48 | yottanami | jelly, But what is difference between up ip and down ip? |
| 16:13.51 | yottanami | should be same? |
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| 16:15.20 | jelly | yottanami: a line starting with "up" tells debian networking scripts what to run when an interface is brought up (started, enabled) |
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| 16:15.43 | jelly | yottanami: read: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 16:28.10 | veverak | hmm, was thinking |
| 16:28.20 | veverak | about how I want to share filesystems between virtuals on my server |
| 16:29.03 | veverak | I've got this one server that does multiple jobs, and because I wanted to learn with virtuals, I made for each job it's vritual machine on that server |
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| 16:29.23 | veverak | (avoided conteiners, because i wanted to learn virtuals and that machien got more than enough resources) |
| 16:29.23 | neoromantique | hi guys, I've got an issue with Debian 8 on my ThinkPad |
| 16:29.28 | neoromantique | WiFi just stopeed working out of the blue |
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| 16:29.54 | neoromantique | I got error from syslogd about kernel dropping IRQ and wifi stopped and everything started lagging horribly |
| 16:29.57 | neoromantique | after reboot |
| 16:30.03 | neoromantique | everything is fine, except wifi isn't working |
| 16:30.17 | neoromantique | and theres "phy0: faled to reset the MAC Chip" in dmesg |
| 16:30.29 | neoromantique | P.S ath5k |
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| 16:32.08 | SynrG | neoromantique: yeah. something similar with my netbook. seems to be a physical problem ... |
| 16:32.25 | SynrG | if i bump it, it sends interrupts nuts, and the system becomes unusable after that |
| 16:32.34 | neoromantique | Oh crap. Awful timing :( |
| 16:32.37 | SynrG | (five year old netbook) |
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| 16:32.40 | neoromantique | This X40 currently is my main device |
| 16:32.48 | neoromantique | well, this one is like 14 y.o, so it makes sense |
| 16:32.48 | SynrG | could be something else for you |
| 16:32.53 | SynrG | heh |
| 16:33.08 | SynrG | i've never tried to solve it. seems my wife's is susceptible to the same thing ... |
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| 16:33.32 | SynrG | only mine only takes the slightest tap to trigger it. hers you really have to knock about first |
| 16:33.45 | SynrG | (twin circa 2010 EeePC model 1001PX systems) |
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| 16:34.01 | neoromantique | I couldn't make it appear again by repeatedly tapping anywhere I can |
| 16:34.14 | SynrG | hmm |
| 16:34.59 | SynrG | mine's pretty dinged up around the hinge area. can't say if that might be a contributing factor or not |
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| 16:35.13 | SynrG | dead battery, and demoted to couch-side workstation status |
| 16:35.32 | neoromantique | mine's in great working order for daily use otherwise |
| 16:35.34 | neoromantique | so it's really strange |
| 16:35.42 | neoromantique | Plus it happened out of the blue, no taps or anything |
| 16:35.44 | neoromantique | I was just irc'ing |
| 16:36.23 | SynrG | you can try searching the web for the issue. i've never gotten satisfactory answers for mine |
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| 16:36.36 | SynrG | as soon as i established positively a link to a physical problem, i lost interest in it |
| 16:36.41 | neoromantique | neither did I |
| 16:36.55 | neoromantique | few messages in lkml and that's about it |
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| 16:43.28 | jhutchins_wk | neoromantique: That sounds like physical failure. |
| 16:43.44 | jhutchins_wk | neoromantique: I suppose you could locate the wifi module and try reseating it. |
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| 16:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | neoromantique: I've found replacement modules for laptops I used to have were fairly available (ebay &c). |
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| 16:57.17 | neoromantique | SynrG: just checked, wifi's dead :C (HW chip) |
| 16:57.28 | neoromantique | farewell the x40 =( |
| 16:57.28 | bierdieb | hello there! im totally frustrated trying to make a bluetooth headset working as headphones. already asked google, but there is no description found thats helping me out. does one have a hind where to get a proper discription ? hardware is all exotic. |
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| 16:58.24 | GlaucoM | notebook s46cb, anywhare have |
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| 16:59.13 | Noah0504 | I am trying to get the blueman-applet to use the icons from my enabled theme under Mate, but I'm having a little bit of a problem. I was able to get the active and disabled icons to change by creating a symbolic link under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/status to the icons I wanted, but the regular tray icon isn't working. It seems to want to use the Blueman Manager app icon instead. |
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| 17:04.55 | BluesKaj | I keep losing grub on my laptop , it doesn't really disappear because if I take the battery out for a few mins grub will show upon reboot. Guess I should have left the UEFI/GPT boot partition intact , and it looks like a lot of work to restore them :/ |
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| 17:24.16 | Gefn | Hi there, I installed Debian 8 alongside Windows 8.1, yet I cannot see Grub when booting. Any hints ? |
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| 17:25.11 | xurious | Gefn: which did you install first? debian or windows? |
| 17:25.24 | Gefn | Windows was already here, just finished installing Debian |
| 17:25.47 | xurious | Do you have two drives in your system? |
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| 17:25.55 | Gefn | Yes |
| 17:26.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | i had this problem recently as well. |
| 17:26.08 | xurious | Did you install windows to one, and debian to the other? |
| 17:26.34 | xurious | Not a linux guy, but I think you are booting from the drive that doens't have grub installed to it. |
| 17:27.04 | Gefn | Well kind of, but the 2nd one is not dedicated to Debian. I have 1 SSD for Windows, then the 2nd hard disk is partitionned : 1 NTFS partition for the Windows data, and the other paritions for the Debian |
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| 17:27.18 | Gefn | I installed grub on the first disk |
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| 17:27.26 | Gefn | Debian install tool warned me ^^ |
| 17:27.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | grub can't be installed to the "second partition" |
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| 17:28.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | this gets complicated with large drives. |
| 17:28.28 | Gefn | Yeah, I installed it on /dev/sda, which is my SSD |
| 17:28.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | which should have a MBR then. |
| 17:28.49 | Gefn | yes |
| 17:28.54 | andril | hello |
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| 17:30.13 | Gefn | I saw a solution, but it's for Ubuntu |
| 17:30.30 | Gefn | Typing this in Windows : bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi seems to solve the problem |
| 17:30.34 | Gefn | yet it's Ubuntu specific |
| 17:30.44 | andril | any good icon themes for gnome3? |
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| 17:31.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was trying to boot from a GPT drive in a non-UEFI computer |
| 17:32.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | which apparently doesn't work. |
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| 17:36.22 | BluesKaj | NoImNotNineVolt, I'm surprised there's a regular BIOS on a gpt set hdd |
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| 17:36.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | old computer, new hdd. |
| 17:38.24 | BluesKaj | I mistakenly wiped my hdd clean set the urfi to legacy and disabled secure boot to install Debian Jessie and W7 |
| 17:38.36 | BluesKaj | er uefi |
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| 17:39.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | i just ended up wiping the [mbr] windows drive entirely and installing debian on there instead. not booting from the gpt drive. |
| 17:40.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | which sucks, because i had an excellent win7 install on there. |
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| 17:41.02 | The_Photographer | how i could configurate my gnome shell to see the main menu in the top bar for each window opened |
| 17:41.06 | djshotglass | why isnt maria db a stock package? |
| 17:41.48 | djshotglass | hmm nvm |
| 17:41.49 | djshotglass | aparently it comes installed |
| 17:42.42 | BluesKaj | NoImNotNineVolt, the only problem I have is the grub disappears intermittently and I have to remove the battery in the laptop for a few mins, Then grub will appear when I boot up again ....strange. |
| 17:43.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | your bios is likely juggling drive order. |
| 17:43.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | drive order is a fickle thing, imho. |
| 17:43.27 | BluesKaj | nope only one drive |
| 17:44.25 | BluesKaj | NoImNotNineVolt, ok youweren't referring to my setup |
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| 17:46.30 | BluesKaj | I have 3 hdds on this desktop pc with one for media stuff, one for linux and one for windows , ...no problems with drive order or disappearing grub |
| 17:47.07 | BluesKaj | but i's a rtegular old BIOS machine |
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| 17:48.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought you said you set the uefi to legacy. |
| 17:48.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | which would imply that it's a uefi machine. |
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| 17:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | BIOS and GPT can work fine together, but there are occasional quirky BIOS features that don't like GPT-only drives. |
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| 17:59.08 | jhutchins_wk | Generally, the BIOS hands off to the bootloader without looking at the partitiontable. Reading the partition table is up to the bootloader. |
| 17:59.42 | jhutchins_wk | Even the "bootable" flag isn't something the BIOS cares about. |
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| 18:03.20 | BluesKaj | NoImNotNineVolt, the uefi machine is my laptop, my BIOS machine is a desktop with 3 hdds |
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| 18:04.14 | blawiz | how to fix youtube for debian stable? (adobe flash plugin vurnerability) |
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| 18:05.25 | mtn | blawiz, use chromium and do youtube in html5 |
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| 18:06.30 | blawiz | yeah, and give google ALL my info |
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| 18:06.43 | mtn | snort |
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| 18:06.52 | blawiz | ye, forgot to tell u i use ff |
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| 18:07.31 | blawiz | maybe i can use html5 in ff? |
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| 18:07.39 | BluesKaj | youtube is all HTML5 now afaik |
| 18:07.54 | bazhang | how is adobe a debian issue blawiz |
| 18:07.59 | OerHeks | same fix https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
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| 18:08.05 | blawiz | bazhang, its on debian |
| 18:08.36 | BluesKaj | adobe is a FF issue |
| 18:08.50 | zykotick9 | thinks contrib is only margionally "debian" |
| 18:08.56 | bazhang | ,v firefox |
| 18:08.57 | judd | No package named 'firefox' was found in amd64. |
| 18:09.02 | bazhang | oopsie |
| 18:09.02 | BluesKaj | flash that is |
| 18:09.12 | blawiz | i think i fixed it on my other debian stable with just apt-get upgrade |
| 18:09.28 | bazhang | what version of ubuntu is this blawiz |
| 18:09.31 | blawiz | but on holiday so not so easy to compare |
| 18:09.38 | blawiz | debian stable? |
| 18:09.39 | blawiz | pls |
| 18:09.46 | bazhang | firefox? |
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| 18:09.57 | blawiz | ja |
| 18:11.23 | bazhang | firefox themselves have banned adobe flash, why would debian support it |
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| 18:11.58 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel |
| 18:11.59 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-2; sid: 38.1.0esr-3; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1; |
| 18:12.00 | judd | experimental: 39.0-1 |
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| 18:14.43 | blawiz | W: GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5C808C2B65558117 |
| 18:14.52 | blawiz | mabe this is te problem |
| 18:16.05 | cra1g321 | blwawiz: apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 18:16.39 | jhutchins_wk | blawiz: ...per the directons on the dmm web site. |
| 18:16.47 | blawiz | cra1g321, very good |
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| 18:33.48 | Fahrradkette | I just put a fresh jessie installation on a new headless only ticking the "ssh option" because it somehow failed installing the system utilities. Is "util-linux" the package which gives me all that nice stuff like sudo and such? |
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| 18:48.50 | ryouma | there is an image on a web page that has a color. what tool (preferably lightweight and no learning curve) can i use to find out hte hex code for that color? |
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| 18:49.11 | ryouma | !ops bruncol spamming when you post |
| 18:49.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ryouma complains about: bruncol spamming when you post |
| 18:49.19 | niko | . |
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| 18:49.21 | abrotman | asdf |
| 18:49.27 | babilen | mmh ? |
| 18:49.29 | niko | gone |
| 18:50.12 | ryouma | niko babilen: thanks for checking :) |
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| 18:54.30 | OerHeks | ryouma, there is a tool gpick that allows you to pick a colour of a page/website/area https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/graphics/gpick |
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| 18:57.33 | roycroft | hello, i have a best practices question |
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| 18:57.53 | Fahrradkette | how can I install sudo? I don't like that root@ prompt....apt-get install sudo says "E: Package 'sudo' has no installation candidate" |
| 18:57.53 | roycroft | i have a number of servers running jessie-stable, which has apache2.4.10 |
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| 18:58.30 | roycroft | there are some vulnerabilities in apache <2.4.11 that causes us to fail pci compliance, and costs us money |
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| 18:58.45 | roycroft | jessie-testing has 2.4.12, and i'd like to install that |
| 18:58.55 | roycroft | there is no backports version of apache for jessie-stable |
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| 18:59.18 | kleanchap | What's wrong with Comcast DNS servers? It won't take me to Google or Yahoo search engines. |
| 18:59.20 | roycroft | my options seem to be to build apache by hand or try installing the testing version |
| 19:00.00 | roycroft | i've not tried installing a package from -testing on a -stable machine before though - is that something folks would recommend, and if so, it it likely to break other things or cause upgrade issues in the future? |
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| 19:02.13 | hexnewbie | roycroft: Aren't the security fixes backported in security? |
| 19:02.16 | BluesKaj | roycroft, I'd be wary of mixing testing and stable sources |
| 19:03.26 | hexnewbie | roycroft: Is your vulnerability listed here: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10_changelog |
| 19:03.42 | ryouma | OerHeks: thanks i will try it |
| 19:04.12 | roycroft | hmm, i'll check that, hexnewbie |
| 19:04.47 | roycroft | blueskaj: it seems to me likely to break a lot of stuff, espcially since this is apache, which is so tightly integrated with other packages |
| 19:04.53 | roycroft | hence my asking before doing anything |
| 19:05.01 | roycroft | i think i'm going to clone a vm and test with that first |
| 19:05.04 | hexnewbie | roycroft: Generally, stable has the security fixes without advancing the version. Often it has them before testing. If you mix packages, sooner or later you'd have to move everything to testing. |
| 19:05.18 | roycroft | i'm reviewing that changelog now, hexnewbie |
| 19:05.27 | roycroft | and if those issues are fixed, i can always dispute the pci scan |
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| 19:06.12 | hexnewbie | roycroft: You do have security in your sources.list, right? -> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main c |
| 19:06.15 | roycroft | my strong preferences are to stick with -stable and to not build packages by hand |
| 19:06.17 | roycroft | yes, i do |
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| 19:07.07 | roycroft | *bruncol* en pelootasxdd --> http://cam09773.weeox.es/ <Fri Jul 17 12:06> |
| 19:07.15 | roycroft | please do not privmsg me without asking - that is rude |
| 19:07.29 | valdyn | spambot |
| 19:07.38 | roycroft | yes, i figured as much :) |
| 19:07.48 | roycroft | but bots deserve shaming as much as people |
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| 19:08.35 | hexnewbie | Bots are mostly immute to shaming. As is my Debian installation. I haven't yet managed to shame it into doing anything my way |
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| 19:11.35 | roycroft | excellent - i've found that two of the issues are fixed already |
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| 19:11.53 | roycroft | i may not have to do anything except dispute the pci scan |
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| 19:13.35 | roycroft | yes, everything has been fixed already |
| 19:13.46 | roycroft | thank you for pointing me to that changelog |
| 19:14.11 | roycroft | i'm fairly new to debian, so i don't have all this information sorted out yet |
| 19:14.19 | roycroft | i come from the bsd world |
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| 19:16.49 | hexnewbie | Be prepared, since this is how stable works and it would apply to more than just Apache |
| 19:18.09 | roycroft | yes, i'm documenting this for future issues |
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| 19:23.00 | dontknow | have anyone observed copying files from one partition to another is faster on gnome than xfce. it is interesting |
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| 19:24.07 | dontknow | bruncol is spamming me |
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| 19:25.16 | hexnewbie | dondelelcaro: Quite possible. I usually copy with tar to avoid any discrepancies. Especially when copying over ssh - KDE and Gnome wrappers for sftp/ssh tend to be slow. |
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| 19:25.36 | hexnewbie | dondelelcaro: But it makes sense locally, if you're crazy enough (or you're doing something clever with it) |
| 19:26.02 | The_Photographer | zfs or ext4? |
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| 19:26.59 | hexnewbie | The_Photographer: Are you going to use snapshots, send/receive? Are you going to put ext4 on an LVM? Is this a home computer, server, a node in a clustering FS? |
| 19:27.40 | The_Photographer | hexnewbie: I am going to install a gnu operative system in my laptop |
| 19:27.40 | hexnewbie | The_Photographer: I prefer zfs, but it is slightly laggy. Annoyingly laggy. Like putting your icons on ZFS makes KDE menus pop up after 2 seconds. |
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| 19:28.14 | The_Photographer | hexnewbie: but my hd is solid |
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| 19:29.03 | hexnewbie | I am not certain if the hardware is involved in the lag, so it might work for you, it might not |
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| 19:29.31 | hexnewbie | Also you only need ZFS if you're going to regularly snapshot your laptop and send (or rsync) your snapshots to a server/desktop |
| 19:29.35 | wzjke | ok hello who use telegram? |
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| 19:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: telegram is more than one thing. |
| 19:31.21 | hexnewbie | The same can be achieved by rsyncing the ext4 FS when not in use (the other side can use ZFS or hardlinked incremental backups) |
| 19:31.40 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: what's your mind about telegram? |
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| 19:32.14 | hexnewbie | wzjke: In my humble opinion, it's 2015 and we should leave telegram to the 1890s |
| 19:32.33 | hexnewbie | Pun half-intended |
| 19:32.35 | zinx | spark gap transmitters 4evar |
| 19:34.51 | Sartsj | is anyone aware of any issues with the megaraid_sas driver and debian8 ? I recently upgraded and now it wont recognize any of the disks attached to it |
| 19:34.58 | alsch | yikes, that would wipe out the spectrum |
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| 19:36.58 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: There is more than one thing in linux called telegram. |
| 19:37.30 | hexnewbie | He's talking about some proprietary cloud crap, if I understand correctly. Not sure how it's related to Debian |
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| 19:37.45 | valdyn | its not really proprietary |
| 19:37.58 | valdyn | but its indeed not related to debian except that it can run on it |
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| 19:38.50 | hexnewbie | Oh, yeah, their *nix client is GPL3. I guess some of their other clients aren't. |
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| 19:39.09 | hexnewbie | I got mislead by their FAQ |
| 19:39.59 | jhutchins_wk | hexnewbie: GPL3 - telegram.org |
| 19:40.38 | hexnewbie | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I saw that. Just their FAQ said (paraphrasing): "We're not yet open source because we're doing a security review". I guess that refers to the server-side or something? |
| 19:40.50 | valdyn | hexnewbie: yea |
| 19:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: It can be hard to do GPL3 for a closed-source OS. |
| 19:41.17 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: We've used HipChat at work. |
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| 19:41.51 | valdyn | the neat thing about telegram is that i can run it on any phone and theres a decent cli gpl3 client |
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| 19:42.50 | valdyn | im bothered that the server is not open though, but i also dont know of a decent alternative |
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| 19:43.13 | hexnewbie | Anyway, that still wouldn't qualify as open protocol, as that would require a free client and free server *snark*. The ICQ conntrack was not added to Linux 2.4 because of that (and yet there was a GPL server and GPL client), so I had to stay with 2.2 |
| 19:44.05 | valdyn | hexnewbie: not to be nitpicking, but the protocol may very well be open |
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| 19:44.28 | valdyn | (of course the server *code* is not) |
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| 19:45.23 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: ok im join |
| 19:45.25 | hexnewbie | valdyn: It is well documented (from the glance of it - I could be wrong), but depending on your standards that might or might not qualify. :) |
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| 19:45.58 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: whwre i can find contact's for talking |
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| 19:46.14 | valdyn | wzjke: in telegram? |
| 19:46.35 | wzjke | valdyn: yeap, and HipChat, too |
| 19:46.54 | valdyn | wzjke: its like whatsapp, you cant *find* contacts, you can add people by their phone number |
| 19:47.13 | wzjke | valdyn: i dont have contact's because don't have friends |
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| 19:47.48 | wzjke | valdyn: ok, what i need do? |
| 19:48.02 | valdyn | wzjke: do you own a smartphone? |
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| 19:48.11 | wzjke | no |
| 19:48.24 | valdyn | wzjke: then telegram probably makes no sense |
| 19:48.27 | wzjke | i have nokia 101 |
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| 19:48.51 | wzjke | i use my PC |
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| 19:49.28 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: What is your goal? |
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| 19:49.44 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: be happy |
| 19:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: There are social channels (and whole servers that are social) in IRC. |
| 19:50.20 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: You need something that has open group chats. |
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| 19:50.54 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: i make music |
| 19:50.56 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: Google was trying to do that in hangouts... |
| 19:51.20 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: Google groups (used to be usenet) are good for that. |
| 19:51.53 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: myspace |
| 19:52.05 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: thit is shit |
| 19:52.12 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: i need something new |
| 19:52.31 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: i need create new on this world |
| 19:52.58 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: understand? |
| 19:53.33 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: undernet, dalnet, ircnet... |
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| 19:53.47 | wzjke | dalnet- banned |
| 19:53.50 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: Explore what already exists, then create your own thing. |
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| 19:54.34 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: "Explore what already exists, then create your own thing." yeap it's nice mind |
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| 19:55.01 | wzjke | jhutchins_wk: but i need create something really new |
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| 19:55.02 | dondelelcaro | this really isn't on topic for #debian. |
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| 19:55.11 | jhutchins_wk | agreed. |
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| 19:55.30 | wzjke | in this world no place for me? |
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| 19:56.56 | wzjke | can u help me find place in this world for me ? where i can find peoples or ideas for my goal - i need craet something REALLY NEW |
| 19:57.12 | wzjke | dont program |
| 19:57.29 | wzjke | not robot |
| 19:57.32 | wzjke | something |
| 19:57.36 | wzjke | about u dont mind |
| 19:57.46 | wzjke | understand? |
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| 19:58.03 | wzjke | like Quantum |
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| 19:59.04 | wzjke | anybody here, anybody understand me? |
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| 20:00.07 | wzjke | hey |
| 20:00.10 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: Sorry, but this is not a question for Debian Suport. |
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| 20:00.19 | wzjke | ok |
| 20:00.28 | wzjke | can u help me find place for my qustion? |
| 20:00.50 | wzjke | mb in my head? |
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| 20:04.24 | Prokofiev | hello, i am having trouble with dvd playback on my laptop. |
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| 20:04.55 | jhutchins_wk | wzjke: #defocus |
| 20:04.56 | Prokofiev | my wife has the same model laptop but it has windows on it. she is able to play dvds just fine |
| 20:05.06 | jhutchins_wk | Prokofiev: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:05.58 | Prokofiev | i inserted the dvd in the dvd rom tray. and double clicked on the cdrom0 icon in nautilus. i thought vlc would open and play the dvd |
| 20:06.16 | Prokofiev | i also started vlc and tried to open the disc from there as well. |
| 20:06.38 | OerHeks | Prokofiev, you'll need 2 steps to make encrypted dvd work |
| 20:06.41 | OerHeks | !dvd |
| 20:06.41 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 20:06.41 | Prokofiev | it says "block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only" |
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| 20:07.04 | OerHeks | err https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs |
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| 20:07.31 | BluesKaj | Prokofiev, go to the videolan site and download libdvdcss |
| 20:07.55 | someHuman | Hi |
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| 20:08.02 | someHuman | Synapse ain't in Debian repo? |
| 20:08.04 | someHuman | :-/ |
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| 20:13.29 | Prokofiev | is it necessary for me to set the dvd region code if it has already been set with a different computer? |
| 20:14.29 | jhutchins_wk | Prokofiev: I believe it's set in the drive's firmware. |
| 20:14.44 | blawiz | dvds still have region code? |
| 20:14.48 | blawiz | thre still dvds?! |
| 20:14.51 | blawiz | jaja |
| 20:15.20 | jhutchins_wk | Prokofiev: iirc some drives limit the number of times you can change it. |
| 20:15.25 | Prokofiev | hah, i am not that far behind the times am i? |
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| 20:16.30 | Prokofiev | is there any way of checking which code it is presently set to? |
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| 20:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | Prokofiev: Well, my wife cancelled her Disney DVD club subscription, so maybe. |
| 20:17.18 | Prokofiev | actually, i am pretty sure the code is correct because i was able to play a dvd with the drive in my wifes computer |
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| 20:26.17 | valdyn | Prokofiev: you can use libdvdcss and never worry about the region code... |
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| 20:28.38 | someHuman | Could someone help me with this? |
| 20:29.08 | Prokofiev | valdyn: i have libdvdcss2 installed. and i think my dvd drive is region free? |
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| 20:29.14 | someHuman | https://github.com/AxeMenu/axemenu-jessie/blob/master/README |
| 20:29.27 | someHuman | What 'menu' is he saying in there? |
| 20:30.27 | _KaszpiR_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.37 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone else get this quite frequently? |
| 20:31.11 | tanderson | Hi, since sourceforge is down we (another distro) lost access to source tarballs. Are the .orig tarballs just a rename of the original, or do you include the patches there? e.g. http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/t/tcl8.5/tcl8.5_8.5.18.orig.tar.gz |
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| 20:34.21 | valdyn | tanderson: the patches are not in there |
| 20:34.41 | valdyn | tanderson: the orig does not necessarily contain everything contained upstream |
| 20:34.58 | tanderson | valdyn: meaning it is not a simple rename? What is an example of changes? |
| 20:35.04 | valdyn | tanderson: the orig is upstream without anything non-free for instance |
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| 20:35.24 | tanderson | blech. Thanks for the info. |
| 20:35.37 | valdyn | tanderson: take iceweasel for instance |
| 20:35.44 | tanderson | right right. |
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| 20:35.52 | valdyn | tanderson: the tradmark protected logos are removed from the orig |
| 20:36.06 | _KaszpiR_ | gonutss is spamming privmsg |
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| 20:36.11 | tanderson | it makes perfect sense, it simply wasn't what I was hoping for. |
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| 20:36.25 | jelly | tanderson: non-free stuff, if there was any, is taken out before creating .orig.tar.gz. Otherwise it's usually a rename as-is |
| 20:36.39 | valdyn | tnguyen: im sure your special case could be completely like upstream |
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| 20:36.46 | valdyn | tanderson: ^^ |
| 20:36.50 | jelly | hm |
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| 20:37.23 | tanderson | thanks jelly, valdyn. |
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| 21:15.53 | GJdan | huh |
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| 21:22.02 | telmac | under jessie, on a lenovo x131e chromebook flashed with seabios, when I close the lid it usually shuts off |
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| 21:23.37 | telmac | I'm running i3 and no de |
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| 21:26.40 | telmac | so sometimes, especially if I close the lid only quickly, it will seem to suspend correctly, like network stuff stops running etc but when I reopen the lid it's on immediately |
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| 21:28.11 | b1101 | telmac: did you ever flash john lewis firm ? |
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| 21:32.55 | telmac | b1101: that's what I'm using |
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| 21:33.39 | b1101 | there's definitely an option somewhere that says what to do about closing the lid |
| 21:33.47 | telmac | on install? |
| 21:33.49 | b1101 | because you don't have de I don't know where |
| 21:33.54 | telmac | oh |
| 21:34.02 | b1101 | wouldn't be on install |
| 21:34.14 | b1101 | I have the pixel 2015 |
| 21:34.16 | telmac | I thought you meant about the bios |
| 21:34.20 | b1101 | my power button is set to kill |
| 21:34.37 | telmac | I mean I don't care about the power button |
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| 21:35.52 | telmac | the thing is that I think it's starting with, or atleast sometimes suspending properly |
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| 21:43.44 | telmac | b1101: no ideas? |
| 21:45.55 | b1101 | telmac: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid |
| 21:46.11 | b1101 | I don't know where the config is for that in debian. |
| 21:47.20 | telmac | well I don't want it to do nothing |
| 21:47.48 | telmac | I want it to suspend correctly and not reboot when I open it |
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| 21:48.42 | telmac | anyway this is for systemd which... jessie isn't running, right? |
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| 21:51.39 | Equa | telmac: systemd is the default for jessie |
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| 21:54.20 | telmac | ah, okay |
| 21:54.24 | Dreamix | systemd rock! |
| 21:54.40 | telmac | still, I still want it to suspend |
| 21:54.43 | Dreamix | boot just for 1 second! |
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| 21:58.56 | telmac | Dreamix: ? |
| 21:59.49 | Dreamix | nothing, just talking bullshits :D |
| 21:59.58 | telmac | well |
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| 22:04.57 | popsch2 | does anyone know how I can find out where what missing disk space is allocated for? http://pastie.org/private/yv4frplsvxmkpiun2vr5fw |
| 22:04.59 | jamesawagner3 | Dreamix: I am surprised how stable systemd has gotten. I was pretty firmly in the hate group originally, now I'm im firmly in "meh" territory. Still following Devuan though. Might play with it at some point |
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| 22:05.32 | popsch2 | it fluctuates between 2GB and 300MB of free disk space on / ... however, du -sh / doesn't show me any differences |
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| 22:06.17 | dondelelcaro | telmac: by default it will just suspend |
| 22:06.52 | popsch2 | I mean 'du -sh /*' doesn't show any differences |
| 22:07.40 | dondelelcaro | telmac: but you can change it by changing what HandleLidSwitch does in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
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| 22:08.12 | jamesawagner3 | popsch2: You got me. If it was consistent we could itemize through du with grep or something, but if it is magically reappearing and disappearing I suggest you contact an exorcist. |
| 22:08.52 | popsch2 | I have a large 'parallels' bash script running that is causing this |
| 22:09.02 | popsch2 | but I don't know where it's writing to, to cause such variations in / |
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| 22:09.15 | popsch2 | after all, I should see the changes in disk allocation with 'du' |
| 22:09.51 | Shentino | Hey, is it possible to include BSD/MIT licensed code in a GPL project? |
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| 22:12.17 | jamesawagner3 | Shentino: I think so. The GPL eats/overrides/relicences/infects/whatever the BSD licence. |
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| 22:14.15 | jamesawagner3 | popsch2: I know you can write to /dev/shm, but that would eat your memory instead. I'm assuming you're running du as root, so IDK. |
| 22:14.40 | popsch2 | jamesawagner3, yes. I run it as root |
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| 22:15.02 | Equa | popsch2: the -s seems to add all the used space |
| 22:15.04 | popsch2 | I find lots of these entries with lsof |
| 22:15.05 | popsch2 | R 12379 bla 7u REG 8,1 144702313 158536 /var/tmp/etilqs_ZuQxBJdcRMkcfOd (deleted) |
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| 22:15.23 | popsch2 | but when I go to that directory, the file is not there |
| 22:17.04 | jamesawagner3 | Because it's deleted, but it's still listed lsof because the file descriptor is still open... |
| 22:17.36 | jamesawagner3 | So, and bear in mind I'm basically guessing, it should come back when the script/program closes that file descriptor. |
| 22:18.15 | jamesawagner3 | lsof was a good idea, I didn't think about files held open. |
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| 22:19.35 | dondelelcaro | jamesawagner3: the space will become free once the program closes the file descriptor |
| 22:19.39 | dondelelcaro | jamesawagner3: the file will not, however. |
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| 22:19.46 | dondelelcaro | (err, the file will not come back) |
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| 22:21.47 | jamesawagner3 | dodelelcaro: Yeah, it's been a while since I did fopen(). That's what I thought, and I should've clarified that the third "it" refers to the space, not the file. |
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| 22:22.29 | dondelelcaro | jamesawagner3: cool; figured that's what you meant, but wanted to make sure. |
| 22:22.33 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.56 | seoner | hi |
| 22:22.58 | seoner | how do you check size of a file? |
| 22:23.00 | seoner | what is the command? |
| 22:23.03 | seoner | ? |
| 22:23.14 | jamesawagner3 | "du -h" |
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| 22:23.37 | dondelelcaro | seoner: for just a file, ls -lh foofile; |
| 22:23.47 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.48 | OerHeks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.07 | seoner | dondelelcaro: thanks. is there no more details? it says 1.5 MB. i need more details like kB |
| 22:25.12 | seoner | is it possible? |
| 22:25.18 | Equa | just ls -l file |
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| 22:25.57 | seoner | Equa: thanks. what are -l and -lh standing for? |
| 22:26.08 | Equa | man ls |
| 22:26.21 | jamesawagner3 | Long format, and "human" sizes repspectively. |
| 22:26.22 | Equa | h = human readable l = list |
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| 22:27.42 | seoner | thanks |
| 22:27.45 | seoner | -rw------- 1 root root 1282048 |
| 22:27.50 | seoner | -rw------- 1 root root 1314816 |
| 22:27.54 | seoner | what file is bigger? |
| 22:28.01 | seoner | it should be 1314816 |
| 22:28.02 | seoner | ? |
| 22:28.02 | Equa | the 1314816 |
| 22:28.05 | seoner | hmh |
| 22:28.06 | seoner | ok |
| 22:28.07 | seoner | thanks |
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| 22:28.37 | telmac | donttrustem: well with it currently set to suspend, it's turning off |
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| 22:29.05 | telmac | I mean it may be actually suspending and then something goes wrong or whatever |
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| 22:41.23 | lunarian | hi. i just reinstalled debian on my laptop. it seems very slow, especially when i copy bigger files/folders to or from the disk. first i thought its because i installed everything in one partition but then i reinstalled with separate partitions for home, var and tmp, but its still that slow. what could be the reason for that? top and free show no high cpu/ram usage |
| 22:41.50 | lunarian | also, when i on another os its not that slow, so the hdd cannot be the reason. |
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| 22:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: You need to do some benchmarking to see some actual numbers instead of subjective impressions. If it's dual boot, benchmark similar tasks in the other OS. |
| 22:44.49 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: You can look at dmesg and at the main log to see if there are errors. Install and enabme smartmontools. |
| 22:45.17 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: If it's a large drive and ext4, you could be seeing a phenomenon know as delayed format. |
| 22:45.19 | lunarian | well, now its not dual boot anymore, but last week i had debian (same version) installed and it was fast as always. yesterday i tried ubuntu and it was fast too. today i installed debian (two times by now) and its slow. |
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| 22:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: You broke it. |
| 22:45.49 | lunarian | ,aybe its because i skipped overwriting the hdd during the installation? (i did that because i already overwrote it last week entirely, and it took like six hours back then) |
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| 22:46.04 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: So encryption is also a factor. |
| 22:46.17 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: ...and you probably used lvm, right? |
| 22:46.25 | lunarian | yes |
| 22:46.34 | lunarian | but i used that before too, without being this slow |
| 22:47.03 | jhutchins_wk | lunarian: I don't know of any additional diagnostics for encrypted drives, same advice. |
| 22:47.07 | Equa | lunarian: benchmark... feeling isn't enough |
| 22:47.16 | lunarian | alright |
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| 22:49.04 | lunarian | just out of interest, jhutchins_wk: what else would be possible apart from lvm for encrypting debian? |
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| 22:52.20 | tehlearner | Hi, not really a true Debian related question but I don't know where else to ask: should USB keys always have atlease one partition? I've format a USB key with simply "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb" and its working fine so far. |
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| 22:54.11 | Equa | tehlearner: correct. 1 partition / filesystem |
| 22:54.40 | jelly | tehlearner: no, but it helps a lot if you want it to be bootable |
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| 22:55.38 | jelly | tehlearner: and it's anyone's guess what an OS different from GNU/Linux would do with a filesystem-on-whole-disk |
| 22:56.09 | jelly | tehlearner: but for linux... it won't mind the lack of partition table a bit, as you've seen already |
| 22:58.13 | tehlearner | good, but I guess the good practice want atleast one partition |
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| 22:58.48 | tehlearner | I've tested read/write different files on both osx/debian with the same usb (no partition) and 0 error |
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| 23:08.37 | wifera | is it alright that my /root partition on my new debian has only 6GB? the hdd has 750 gb, 700 of that are for /home (it was automatically assigned that way) |
| 23:09.19 | Equa | wifera: that is quite small. /usr is like 1-50g depending on how much softare you install |
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| 23:10.15 | wifera | i couldnt find a way the size after selecting Guided Partitioning and then rechecking those. It appears that if one wants to determine their size, one has to do all of the partitioning (which is pretty difficult for a beginner like me) |
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| 23:12.32 | Equa | wifera: depends on your usage; but root being 20-50g should be good |
| 23:12.58 | wifera | is it possible to change their size post-install? |
| 23:13.12 | Equa | wifera: you used lvm? |
| 23:13.15 | wifera | yes |
| 23:14.31 | Equa | wifera: http://www.tecmint.com/extend-and-reduce-lvms-in-linux/ |
| 23:14.39 | wifera | thanks! |
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| 23:19.24 | Shentino | meow? |
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| 23:33.07 | wifera | is it just me or is snort really not in the standard debian 8 repo? |
| 23:34.07 | Equa | , v snort |
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| 23:34.08 | judd | Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5 |
| 23:34.27 | Equa | it's not in jessie |
| 23:34.31 | wifera | okay |
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| 23:48.15 | zerodrama | trying to go to init 1 and systemd asks for root password but i disabled the root account |
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| 23:50.30 | zerodrama | also some application added a _apt user + a /home/_apt entry but never created it |
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| 23:52.29 | seoner | hi |
| 23:52.31 | seoner | how do i remove all files from system? |
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| 23:52.33 | seoner | how do i remove all files from my vps? |
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| 23:53.58 | Equa | seoner: what files? just do a new installation if you want to get rid of all |
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| 23:54.45 | theslow1 | Where should I go to report a bug for debian sites? |
| 23:54.57 | theslow1 | wiki.debian.org is broken :( |
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| 23:56.53 | Equa | theslow1: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting. before reporting, check if it has been filed already |
| 23:57.54 | zvz | anyone here use tpacpi-bat for their thinkpad battery? I used it to set battery charging thresholds, but did a clean reinstall of Debian. the battery appears to still be honoring these settings, even though I've completely formatted and reinstalled my / partition, and haven't even installed tpacpi-bat yet. |
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