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| 00:10.45 | cyph3x | Has anyone successfully added the google respoitory to their sources.list file? I keep getting an error that is suggesting that either my client is unable to download the openpgp file or that there isnt one being hosted despite me being able to wget it |
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| 00:13.59 | cyph3x | nope? well shit |
| 00:14.53 | mirana2s | I have the file /etc/init.d/fakeftp.server. Now, how do I use it? I thought "/etc/init.d/fakeftp.server start". But I'm getting access denied despite doing that as root. |
| 00:15.05 | mirana2s | I do not have systemd |
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| 00:15.31 | cyph3x | i would suggest switching to root and checking out the file permissions |
| 00:15.49 | somiaj | mirana2s: what is the contents of fakeftp.server? is a shell script that you can run just fine? |
| 00:16.23 | cyph3x | ls -la filename.whatever and post what you see here |
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| 00:21.22 | neoncortex | hey, i trying to use debootstrap to test things, using: debootstrap jessie ./directory .. but they download no packages =( |
| 00:21.28 | neoncortex | http://dpaste.com/1CA57E7 |
| 00:21.50 | somiaj | neoncortex: I think you need to specifiy a mirror, check the manpage. |
| 00:22.02 | neoncortex | somiaj, tried, same result |
| 00:22.58 | somiaj | do you have wget installed? |
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| 00:23.18 | neoncortex | somiaj, yes |
| 00:23.23 | mirana2s | about /etc/init.d/fakeftp.server. just chmod +x. But could I have expected anything else considering its path? |
| 00:24.10 | somiaj | mirana2s: what do you mean expected anything else? the files in /etc/init.d/ are just scripts that need to respond to start/stop/status. You should check ou the README and the skeleton script in that directory for more info |
| 00:24.17 | somiaj | they should also have proper LSB headers |
| 00:25.26 | mirana2s | I mean, aren't they almost by definition when they're in that directory? |
| 00:25.43 | mirana2s | hence, I could have (without looking at the file content) assumed that it was a script |
| 00:26.05 | mirana2s | or, in other words, what I'm really wondering: do you store anything else but scripts in those directories? |
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| 00:26.33 | mirana2s | also. the things in init.d is never autostarted, right? |
| 00:26.41 | somiaj | you shouldn't but if you don't know what a file is, don't assume it is anything. |
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| 00:37.43 | neoncortex | somiaj, there is some temporary directory that debootsrtap uses? because my /tmp and /var are mounted as nodev,nosuid,noexec |
| 00:37.56 | mirana2s | I mean.. is there anything besides scripts stored in /etc/init.d/*? |
| 00:39.40 | equa | mirana2s: the README isn't a script |
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| 00:52.55 | blackjack | excuse me |
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| 00:53.13 | blackjack | how do i make my debian view android phones when i plug it in via usb? |
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| 00:53.42 | somiaj | blackjack: depends on the phone and what you mean by view. |
| 00:53.50 | blackjack | transfer files |
| 00:54.04 | blackjack | i want to actually transfer files from my phone to pc and back |
| 00:54.13 | blackjack | im currently using HTC one m7 |
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| 00:55.24 | blackjack | should i download mtp package on debian? |
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| 00:56.46 | somiaj | blackjack: some phones you can put in usbmass storage mode and then it is treated like any usb drive |
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| 00:59.04 | blackjack | somiaj, how do i do that |
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| 01:01.40 | labelle | how can I add a customized Xsession option in the login menu? |
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| 01:04.09 | c0fe | is there any insecurity in using ufw over iptables? |
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| 01:09.19 | phix | c0fe: ufw is a set of scripts to control iptables |
| 01:09.26 | c0fe | i see |
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| 01:09.42 | phix | c0fe: so no, iptables isn't more or less secure then iptables |
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| 01:14.52 | somiaj | blackjack: I don't know, go though your phone options. Other phones require you use media transfer protocol, and you can look up how to use mtp in google. |
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| 01:16.13 | neoncortex | sounds like my debootstrap are buggy |
| 01:16.20 | neoncortex | http://dpaste.com/1P9KEZH |
| 01:17.02 | neoncortex | something goes wrong in line 33 |
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| 01:30.13 | blackjack | somiaj, i tried the thing that was said on https://wiki.debian.org/mtp |
| 01:30.25 | blackjack | but i get an error upon doing fusermount -u |
| 01:30.57 | blackjack | it says.. fusermount: entry for /home/gdi/Android_transfer not found in /etc/mtab |
| 01:31.18 | blackjack | i wonder what it means. |
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| 01:37.58 | TJ- | Do we have a package that automates configuration of the ACPI wakeup system, specifically a 'standard' place to configure the settings for devices (in /proc/acpi/wakeup) ? |
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| 02:00.40 | karlpinc | I can't seem to find any good keywords to use to find software for digital asset management, either with apt or debtags. This is storing pictures, audio, video, etc and being able to find it again -- preferably over the web with a permission system. Anyone know of anything nice? |
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| 02:06.34 | TJ- | karlpinc: 'g2' was pretty good at that but I heard recently it is no longer maintained, if that matters |
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| 02:11.47 | RayzrShrp | has anybody got the latest fail2ban to run under debian 8.1? |
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| 02:13.22 | eyebrowns | not working. cant google. where im wrong? ssh -L 7777:$SERVER:7777 localhost -N |
| 02:15.01 | eyebrowns | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused |
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| 02:43.28 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 02:43.58 | dvs | zzzzzz |
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| 02:44.27 | johnfg | At my last aptitude upgrade on wheezy, mysql-server-5.5 fails to install. |
| 02:44.54 | johnfg | I've run wheezy and mysql since wheezy was out, and never had this problem. |
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| 02:45.56 | johnfg | Here's the errors I'm getting: http://dpaste.com/0HBKH7Y |
| 02:46.11 | johnfg | Any help and or suggestions would be appreciated. |
| 02:46.31 | johnfg | btw...nothing changed with my /etc/mysql/my.cnf. |
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| 02:50.31 | equa | johnfg: run apt-get update. then apt-get install mysql-server |
| 02:51.53 | johnfg | equa: I'll give that a try. |
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| 03:01.10 | johnfg | equa: Pretty much the same errors: http://dpaste.com/3MTKWMB |
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| 03:05.50 | equa | johnfg: where did you get mysql-server-5.5? |
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| 03:12.22 | deathknight | !Libnl |
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| 03:15.24 | johnfg | I'd installed mysql-server as part of my original wheezy install. been using mysql forever. so, i guess it came from an aptitude upgrade. |
| 03:15.38 | equa | johnfg: paste me the result of dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 03:16.47 | johnfg | equa: Ok, here it is: http://dpaste.com/0XTNZR4 |
| 03:18.21 | equa | johnfg: your system is i386? uname -a |
| 03:19.06 | johnfg | equa: Linux church 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:22.14 | equa | johnfg: do apt-get update |
| 03:22.32 | autodidact | are the main repos down? |
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| 03:22.44 | equa | johnfg: then apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server-5.5 |
| 03:23.05 | johnfg | equa: I'll do it again, but per your instructions, I did it before trying the install of mysql-server. |
| 03:23.14 | equa | autodidact: they are up for me |
| 03:23.41 | equa | johnfg: your mysql-server-5.5 is half configure for some reason |
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| 03:24.23 | autodidact | well us seems to be down |
| 03:24.28 | autodidact | for me at least |
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| 03:24.57 | autodidact | australia works...-_- |
| 03:25.09 | equa | autodidact: i'm using the US one |
| 03:25.12 | johnfg | equa: Here's the errors I get: http://dpaste.com/28VNZ2Y |
| 03:25.28 | autodidact | not sure why us is hanging for me then equa |
| 03:26.39 | equa | autodidact: do a traceroute ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:27.39 | equa | johnfg: apt-cache search mysql |
| 03:27.52 | autodidact | hmm, timing out at chcgildtcor51-tg0-0-0-4.network.tds.net |
| 03:28.29 | autodidact | guess im fucked |
| 03:28.50 | johnfg | equa: Large paste,but here it is: http://dpaste.com/1KAC3HJ |
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| 03:32.39 | equa | johnfg: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:38.55 | avasz | Problem with libnl, can't find it in official dvds for jessie. Anyone facing same problem? |
| 03:39.56 | avasz | Trying to compile hostap, it requires libnl-dev. IIRC, it was there in wheezy.. |
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| 03:40.49 | equa | avasz: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libnl-dev |
| 03:41.28 | equa | avasz: are you on armhf? |
| 03:41.48 | avasz | No. X86_64 |
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| 03:42.09 | avasz | Amd64 |
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| 03:43.01 | equa | ,v libnl-3-dev |
| 03:43.02 | judd | Package: libnl-3-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.7-4; jessie: 3.2.24-2; stretch: 3.2.24-2; sid: 3.2.26-1 |
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| 03:44.53 | avasz | Can dvds from wheezy or squeeze be used with jessie? |
| 03:45.57 | avasz | Else I will connect it to Internet, it's not online right now. |
| 03:45.58 | equa | avasz: stick with jessie or jessie backport. i avoid mixing packages from different distro |
| 03:46.59 | avasz | Equa: ok. But still surprised not to find it in the dvds. |
| 03:50.51 | avasz | Btw, I get this error from mounted dvds. (sorry have to type, so please firgive the mistakes) W: duplicate sources list entry file:/mnt/dvd2 jessie/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_mnt_dvd2_dists_jessie_main_binary_amd64_Packages) |
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| 03:51.20 | avasz | W: duplicate sources list entry file:/mnt/dvd2 jessie/contrib amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_mnt_dvd2_dists_jessie_contrib_binary_amd64_Packages) |
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| 03:51.44 | avasz | Ok aorry, found the problem |
| 03:52.12 | avasz | I guess it's solution for libnl too.. I had dvd2 two times in sources.liat |
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| 03:52.52 | equa | avasz: nice. |
| 03:54.31 | avasz | Well still no libnl after correcting. Will look into it. |
| 03:54.43 | johnfg | equa: http://dpaste.com/0T2D520 |
| 03:55.09 | equa | avasz: was only able to find libnl-3-dev online |
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| 03:56.24 | equa | johnfg: backup your data. then we'll remove mysql-server and mysql-server-5.5 |
| 03:58.22 | equa | johnfg: why do you have sid in your sources.list? |
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| 05:24.30 | vincent42 | hi all, when typing "passwd -a" it just give me the usage of "passwd" |
| 05:24.47 | vincent42 | but the usage says there's an option -a (or --all) to report status on all accounts |
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| 05:25.27 | vincent42 | anyway, here's what I'm trying to do : I don't remember if my root passwd has a password, how can I check that ? |
| 05:25.40 | vincent42 | if my root account* |
| 05:26.00 | vincent42 | (I am logged as root via ssh) |
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| 05:36.56 | Avasz | Getting this error at the last stage of hostap compiling: /usr/bin/ld: cannot fine -lnl |
| 05:37.04 | Avasz | collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 05:37.18 | Avasz | I get that it has something to do with nl80211, but couldn't figure out what. |
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| 05:38.18 | _aeris_ | Avasz > apt install libnl-dev |
| 05:38.37 | Avasz | _aeris_: done that already |
| 05:38.57 | Avasz | _aeris_: actually libnl-3-dev |
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| 05:39.35 | _aeris_ | so it should be -lnl-3 |
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| 05:39.56 | _aeris_ | or just symlink /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnl-3.so to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnl.so |
| 05:40.15 | _aeris_ | (if you canât modify build) |
| 05:41.20 | Avasz | _aeris_: ok. trying symlink. |
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| 05:43.49 | Avasz | _aeris_: thanks, -lnl problem solved but another which shows lots of undefined reference to `genlmsg_attrlen` and `genlmsg_attrdata` any idea on these? |
| 05:44.19 | _aeris_ | bad version of libnl |
| 05:44.25 | _aeris_ | seems not compatible with -3 |
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| 05:44.40 | Avasz | so would be better if -lnl is changed to -lnl-3? |
| 05:44.55 | _aeris_ | nope |
| 05:45.05 | _aeris_ | wrong lib version |
| 05:45.21 | Avasz | ok. what maybe the solution? |
| 05:45.37 | _aeris_ | why do you recompile hostapd ? |
| 05:45.42 | _aeris_ | from which sources ? |
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| 05:46.29 | Avasz | recompiling because one from repository is not supporting 'n' mode. it works 54mbps only. |
| 05:46.53 | _aeris_ | on debian, use apt-get source + dpkg-buildpackage to rebuild from source |
| 05:47.51 | Avasz | let me try with stable version, I cloned the git repo, maybe that's the problem |
| 05:48.45 | _aeris_ | debian repatch upstream source, so use debian source instead |
| 05:51.10 | Avasz | ok |
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| 06:47.56 | meinerheld | hello you gentlemen |
| 06:48.05 | meinerheld | i have a wine question |
| 06:48.27 | meinerheld | i'm actually using crunchbang but no one's anwering my knock knock in that chatroom |
| 06:48.38 | meinerheld | is anyone up? |
| 06:49.30 | rabbitear | dave's not here |
| 06:49.46 | meinerheld | well i like rabbitears |
| 06:49.57 | meinerheld | maybe you can help me? or is dave the wine-o |
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| 06:50.20 | BenNZ | meinaeiner: try asking in #winehq |
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| 06:50.55 | meinerheld | thx BenNZ! |
| 06:51.06 | rabbitear | actually I don't ... well haven't used wine in some time |
| 06:51.08 | rabbitear | myself |
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| 06:55.42 | meinerheld | ok thx rabbitear |
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| 07:04.03 | k_sze[work] | I need help increasing the speed of the initial sync of my 3-disk software RAID 5. I have already followed the tips here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-raid-increase-resync-rebuild-speed.html |
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| 07:04.27 | k_sze[work] | Right now the initial sync is doing about 35 MB/s per disk. |
| 07:05.15 | k_sze[work] | But I'm sure each disk can do more over 100 MB/s with this Adaptec controller and SFF-8088 connection. |
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| 07:37.20 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm reading an article and I found out that the font is not being displayed properly. Details: http://paste.debian.net/284385/ Can somebody please advise how to proceed? Should I install somehow the WOFF font? A colleague of mine using Ubuntu can see the font displayed properly. Thanks |
| 07:37.34 | caraconan | It happens to me in both, iceweasel and chromium |
| 07:37.38 | annoyedone | debian changes hostname every time it connects to network, which means i cant launch program in window manager and must log out and log in again ITS ANNOYING, how to turn that off? |
| 07:37.59 | annoyedone | in testing |
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| 07:52.51 | vincent42 | hi all, any idea why a script in /etc/network/if-up.d would not be called (it used to be but not anymore) |
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| 07:57.58 | moetunes | systemd |
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| 08:13.10 | internat | hi team, im having some issuses with xl2tpd and ipsec when being used as a client, whereby i cant seem to find out how to make it automaticly reconnect on failure |
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| 08:34.59 | Shadur | Having a problem with apache 2.4 in Jessie. I've got AllowOverride All in the webhosting customer vhost's Directory stanza, but tests show it's not reading .htaccess at all. |
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| 08:43.11 | vincent42 | moetunes: no, systemd is not on my system :) |
| 08:43.16 | vincent42 | at least, I don't think so |
| 08:43.24 | vincent42 | it's a raspberry pi |
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| 09:12.09 | cousteau | hi, are libsdl1.2-dev and libsdl2-dev compatible? or do you have to have either one or the other? |
| 09:12.44 | cousteau | (compatible as in non-mutually exclusive packages; the library itself is not backwards compatible) |
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| 09:13.53 | knight_ryu12 | I need help |
| 09:14.46 | knight_ryu12 | For GNOME Extension |
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| 09:17.26 | shingouz | !ask |
| 09:17.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:21.25 | knight_ryu12 | Oh |
| 09:21.27 | knight_ryu12 | Ty |
| 09:21.44 | knight_ryu12 | I have a problem with GNOME extension. |
| 09:21.52 | knight_ryu12 | Using Debian 8, Jessie. |
| 09:22.10 | pjotter | Hello. When I connect to a shared folder using samba and thunar, I can create files and folders but am not able to modify and save them. (Debian 8.1 Jesse) |
| 09:22.23 | pjotter | Xfce version |
| 09:22.41 | pjotter | Does anyone know what causes this? |
| 09:23.18 | knight_ryu12 | pjotter, check permission first |
| 09:23.34 | pjotter | I am able to create and modify files on the same share with windows XP, Vista and Xubuntu. |
| 09:23.39 | knight_ryu12 | I think your file perm is rw-r--r-- |
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| 09:24.14 | knight_ryu12 | But I don't know... |
| 09:24.43 | pjotter | knight_ryu12: The problem seems to be with the Debian installation. I am not sure what is different from let's say the Xubuntu installation. |
| 09:25.02 | knight_ryu12 | Uh. |
| 09:25.09 | knight_ryu12 | I don't use Xfce... |
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| 09:25.13 | knight_ryu12 | yet |
| 09:25.16 | pjotter | Ok. |
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| 09:26.56 | pjotter | It's like this: Through thunar, I can browse the network, see all the shares, enter the shares, create folders and shares on it. But When I open a file I just created and try to edit and save it, it will not save it to that file but will present me with a "save as" dialog where I can only save the file locally. |
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| 09:27.45 | pjotter | I meant "create folders and files on it" |
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| 09:28.45 | pjotter | Does anyone here have any experience with accessing shares through thunar/samba on Debian 8.1/xfce? |
| 09:30.15 | pjotter | I checked samba versions. Xubuntu uses 4.1.6, while Debian uses 4.1.17. Could the problem be in versions? |
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| 09:32.40 | cousteau | doesn't think a change in the 3rd version number should affect compatibility at all, given how version numbers usually work |
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| 09:33.45 | knight_ryu12 | I have a problem with GNOME extension. Using Debian 8, Jessie. |
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| 09:36.04 | shingouz | pjotter: check your samba permissions, the problem most likely sits somewhere there. |
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| 09:36.22 | pjotter | I checked them and it seems ok. |
| 09:36.27 | shingouz | knight_ryu12: more info. your question in unanswerable |
| 09:37.18 | pjotter | I am puzzled as to why I can access the shares through Xubuntu but not through Debian. They are pretty much the same kind of systems. |
| 09:37.31 | shingouz | pjotter: i suspect that when you create the new item, the permissions are set on -w. i do not use samba myself, so... |
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| 09:38.11 | petn-randall | pjotter: Sounds like you don't have write access to the files. Could be that your samba installation changes them for the file you created them. |
| 09:38.19 | petn-randall | s/them// |
| 09:38.20 | SynrGy | pjotter: open and save it with what? i've seen applications behave badly when the file is opened on smb: |
| 09:38.25 | shingouz | pjotter: debian and ubuntu are not the same. if you have your ubuntu up somewhere, do a lookie at its samba ocnfiguration and compare it to your debian |
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| 09:38.52 | knight_ryu12 | shingouz, Extension is Enabled, but it won't work. |
| 09:39.07 | knight_ryu12 | and what kind of info do you want? |
| 09:39.09 | pjotter | shingouz: I did and they're the same. Only difference is in versions. |
| 09:39.11 | SynrGy | not with thunar specifically ... |
| 09:39.29 | SynrGy | but with vlc and other video players on pcmanfm accessing smb: |
| 09:39.42 | shingouz | i give up... |
| 09:40.58 | SynrGy | pjotter: i agree it's highly unlikely the version# makes any difference, and that checking your smb.conf is a good idea. |
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| 09:42.41 | yottanami | How can I find out what files and where will copy when I install a specific deb file? |
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| 09:43.30 | knight_ryu12 | yottanami, dpkg? |
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| 09:44.19 | relix | Hi - I want to upgrade my system from squeeze to wheezy, but I have a backport repository in my sources.list. Do I also change "squeeze" to "wheezy" in the line specifying that repo, do I leave it as squeeze, or do I remove the line altogether? |
| 09:44.31 | yottanami | knight_ryu12, when I try `dpkg -i debname` what files will copy and where |
| 09:44.47 | SynrGy | relix: either/or. it doesn't matter. |
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| 09:45.02 | SynrGy | relix: anything *currently* installed from backports should upgrade fine to the next release |
| 09:45.20 | SynrGy | er, i mean "either change it to wheezy or remove it" |
| 09:45.43 | relix | SynrGy what I'd like to happen is that it just starts using the official wheezy repo, instead of upgrading to the backport from jessie, so I guess I should remove it then? |
| 09:45.45 | SynrGy | the argument for leaving it in is if you anticipate in future needing jessie backports in wheezy. you might |
| 09:45.49 | knight_ryu12 | yottanami, current directory. maybe |
| 09:46.00 | SynrGy | relix: yes, in that case, remove it |
| 09:46.04 | relix | ok thank you! |
| 09:46.20 | SynrGy | but i don't believe it would automatically upgrade you to the version in wheezy anyway |
| 09:46.29 | SynrGy | i think pinning would prefer your new default release, wheezy |
| 09:46.41 | SynrGy | (an automatic pin priority assigned to the backport) |
| 09:46.45 | relix | ah ok, good to hear that it'd do the sensible thing by default |
| 09:47.10 | SynrGy | er, i mean wouldn't auto upgrade to version in wheezy backports |
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| 09:47.15 | yottanami | knight_ryu12, I want to know what files does a deb package provides |
| 09:47.29 | relix | SynrGy right :) |
| 09:47.38 | SynrGy | my understanding is that you need to explicitly ask for a backport version. otherwise it prefers your default release version |
| 09:47.53 | yottanami | knight_ryu12, I installed a deb package but I dont know what is the execution files of that package and how should I run it |
| 09:47.53 | SynrGy | otherwise you'd have a mess |
| 09:48.22 | SynrGy | so it's perfectly safe to substitute 'wheezy' for 'squeeze' in the backports line and leave it in, if you anticipate needing more from backports |
| 09:48.33 | relix | alright, thanks! |
| 09:48.38 | SynrGy | relix: is this a stepping stone to upgrade squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie? |
| 09:48.43 | relix | SynrGy yes |
| 09:48.48 | SynrGy | sounds good |
| 09:48.54 | petn-randall | pjotter: Can you list the contents of the samba share with 'ls -al'? |
| 09:49.03 | SynrGy | relix: for efficiency, you might change it then comment it out |
| 09:49.14 | SynrGy | no point in re-reading the lists each time you apt-get update |
| 09:49.15 | relix | SynrGy exactly what I did :D |
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| 09:49.25 | SynrGy | great |
| 09:49.45 | pjotter | petn-randall: I am doing all this in thunar. How would I do a ls -al on the samba share? |
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| 09:50.35 | petn-randall | pjotter: Open a terminal, navigate to the folder where the samba share is mounted, and run 'ls -al' there. You can then paste the command + output to http://paste.debian.net. |
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| 09:50.49 | SynrGy | petn-randall: i think you're missing the point |
| 09:50.59 | SynrGy | thunar uses a gvfs backend for this. it doesn't mount it |
| 09:51.00 | petn-randall | SynrGy: Am I? |
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| 09:51.13 | SynrGy | not so far as i know |
| 09:51.14 | petn-randall | SynrGy: It still has a mount point, though, even with gvfs. |
| 09:51.26 | pjotter | petn-randall: The share is not mounted. That's the difference when you access a share through thunar. As far as I know, thunar doesn't mount the share but can access it through samba. |
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| 09:51.43 | SynrGy | petn-randall: i'd be happy to be proven wrong. df has never shown it to me with pcmanfm .... |
| 09:51.51 | gr8 | hi, I am looking for an icon theme or package that contains icons for country flags - like US flag or french flag. Do you know such a package, that is in the debian main repo? |
| 09:52.16 | SynrGy | pjotter: what does 'mount' say? is there some mount point in there? |
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| 09:53.52 | SynrGy | gr8: famfamfam-flag-gif and famfamfam-flag-png |
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| 09:54.27 | pjotter | petn-randall: Any ideas where that mountpoint might be? |
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| 09:55.23 | pjotter | In thunar, it just says: smb://<computername>/<share>/ |
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| 09:56.18 | SynrGy | pjotter: i asked for you to check 'mount'. did you? |
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| 09:56.46 | pjotter | Yes, I get a whole screen of stuff |
| 09:56.51 | SynrGy | pjotter: if the share is present, petn-randall is right. if it isn't, he's wrong. |
| 09:56.55 | average | so what's the recommended SSH Key Length in 2015 ? |
| 09:57.07 | average | I read a blog post from 2013 claiming 2048 was safe |
| 09:57.32 | pjotter | I get some tmpfs and cgroup mounts? |
| 09:57.34 | average | in 2015 what's the number of bits a key should have ? is it still ok to use 2048 bits keys or is 4096 now the new safe key length ? |
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| 09:58.17 | auntiefee | how can i install nvidia drivers without getting a black screen |
| 09:58.21 | gr8 | SynrGy: perfect thanks. How did you find it? |
| 09:58.57 | average | auntiefee: it's hard generally |
| 09:59.05 | average | auntiefee: nvidia drivers have always been a problem |
| 09:59.15 | auntiefee | well shit |
| 09:59.22 | average | auntiefee: IMO you'd be lucky if there are working drivers for your card |
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| 09:59.44 | auntiefee | for debian only ? because i remember it worked on ubuntu |
| 10:00.08 | auntiefee | een though someone someone was instructing me on how to do it |
| 10:00.11 | auntiefee | cant remember shit |
| 10:00.21 | average | auntiefee: well, Ubuntu offers more support around that. but if you find drivers on launchpad and they work on Ubuntu, maybe they would work on Debian as well.. |
| 10:00.43 | auntiefee | do you have them installe d? |
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| 10:00.55 | average | auntiefee: I tried and failed |
| 10:01.06 | SynrGy | gr8: google: debian country flags |
| 10:01.08 | average | auntiefee: and I gave up because I can't lose any more time on that |
| 10:01.09 | SynrGy | gr8: top hit |
| 10:01.20 | auntiefee | you got steam installed ? |
| 10:01.33 | SynrGy | gr8: 'apt-cache search country flags' would've done it too |
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| 10:01.43 | average | auntiefee: on linux ? i haven't tried |
| 10:01.49 | SynrGy | gr8: the only reason i used google here is i remember some debate over it |
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| 10:02.03 | auntiefee | average: you got windows installed too ? |
| 10:02.05 | SynrGy | gr8: so i wanted non-package results in my search, too, in case it helped answer the question |
| 10:02.24 | average | auntiefee: nope |
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| 10:02.40 | auntiefee | average: well shit |
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| 10:03.12 | auntiefee | average: i just installed debian yesterday |
| 10:03.24 | average | auntiefee: if you want good video card support, check if stuff works right when you buy it |
| 10:03.31 | SynrGy | gr8: the debate, iirc, runs something like this: "using country flags to represent languages (e.g. keyboard layouts) is contentious because countries aren't languages, and it's particularly problematic for disputed territories" |
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| 10:03.33 | average | auntiefee: just don't buy it if it doesn't work on Debian |
| 10:03.34 | auntiefee | i have no idea how i can use this shit |
| 10:03.41 | average | auntiefee: it's not your fault |
| 10:03.48 | SynrGy | gr8: i don't remember the whole debate, nor the outcome, though |
| 10:04.10 | auntiefee | average: whats the best way to learn |
| 10:04.17 | average | auntiefee: what do you want to learn ? |
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| 10:04.36 | auntiefee | average: just know how to do the basic shit |
| 10:04.45 | average | auntiefee: what basic shit ? |
| 10:05.15 | auntiefee | average: like install a program without having to spend hours on research |
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| 10:06.19 | average | auntiefee: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude search <program> ; sudo aptitude install <package-name> |
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| 10:06.44 | auntiefee | average: well im trying to install steam |
| 10:06.49 | auntiefee | but shits not working |
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| 10:07.45 | average | you might want to seek Steam support on that |
| 10:07.51 | average | I don't play much games these days |
| 10:08.02 | SynrGy | auntiefee: what did you try? |
| 10:08.25 | auntiefee | SynrGy: actully i got it installed but it doesnt launch |
| 10:09.09 | SynrGy | auntiefee: got it installed how? i don't see 'apt-get install steam' as taking 'hours of research' |
| 10:09.22 | SynrGy | ,v steam |
| 10:09.23 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 10:09.39 | SynrGy | ah. wrong architecture :) |
| 10:09.44 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 10:09.45 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 10:09.50 | SynrGy | ok. so, i forgot that bit :) |
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| 10:13.14 | SynrGy | auntiefee: does anything on https://wiki.debian.org/Steam help with your current problem? when you say "doesn't launch", what happens? as for things that are strange (like steam), take heart, not all of debian is like this |
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| 10:13.38 | SynrGy | auntiefee: the steam package is an installer that downloads and installs steam's stuff. it doesn't integrate completely with how debian does things |
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| 10:14.52 | auntiefee | SynrGy: apt-get install steam -this package isnt available, it might be steam-launcher apt-get install steam-launcher -starts installing, done, launch steam, these packages are missing, ok install, you arent from the sudoers group, ok visudo this shit, ok install, these packages arent available fuck this ill go to the official steam site, get deb file, open it, it installs few packages, launch steam, nothing fucking happens. |
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| 10:15.30 | SynrGy | auntiefee: steam-launcher is incorrect. sounds like you got it from a third-party repo |
| 10:15.34 | SynrGy | !steam |
| 10:15.34 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 10:15.50 | SynrGy | auntiefee: you should be doing this, instead ^^ (also, the wiki page i linked above explains the same thing) |
| 10:16.23 | SynrGy | auntiefee: the issue is that it's an i386-only package. this causes problems on non-i386 architectures (amd64) |
| 10:16.40 | SynrGy | auntiefee: so you should purge that third-party stuff and start fresh from the debian package |
| 10:17.06 | SynrGy | auntiefee: if you added an extra apt repository to make it happen, remove that and 'apt-get update' |
| 10:17.14 | average | auntiefee: https://steamlug.org/irc |
| 10:17.27 | average | auntiefee: you should be on #steamlug , here on Freenode |
| 10:17.35 | auntiefee | well i didnt add new repos but, i made them non-free and contrib |
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| 10:17.49 | average | auntiefee: you're likely to get much better help in #steamlug than here |
| 10:18.09 | miskatonic | are there any free replacements for steam in main? |
| 10:18.12 | average | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.40 | SynrGy | auntiefee: steam-launcher is not a debian package. so i don't know what you did, there. |
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| 10:21.54 | SynrGy | auntiefee: are you using pure debian? sounds like you aren't |
| 10:22.07 | auntiefee | SynrGy: nah im using stretch i think |
| 10:22.35 | SynrGy | auntiefee: stretch is 'testing'. and that's pure debian. steam-launcher is not a debian package. not in stretch. not in *any* release |
| 10:22.52 | auntiefee | weird |
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| 10:23.05 | SynrGy | auntiefee: let's see the output (at paste.debian.net, please) of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 10:23.52 | SynrGy | average: i'm willing to give auntiefee help here, insofar as it seems to be a debian problem. i'm reluctant to punt this to #steamlug until we sort out the debian end of things |
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| 10:24.30 | SynrGy | average: in particular, "hours of research" sounds like auntiefee ended up finding and following some 'random' guide on the internet that muddled the state of the system |
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| 10:24.51 | SynrGy | whereas installation of steam really is straightforward (as per factoid i pulled up)( |
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| 10:26.29 | petn-randall | SynrGy: For browsing it doesn't need to be mounted, but latest at the point where you edit files with other programs, it will be mounted via gvfs. |
| 10:27.41 | linuxd | as intalling debian 8.1.0 ,it said 'failed to install grub'how to fix this? |
| 10:28.39 | SynrGy | petn-randall: how do you see that in action, then? browse to a file, edit it, then type 'mount'? |
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| 10:28.57 | SynrGy | petn-randall: simply browsing to a directory did nothing for me |
| 10:29.17 | SynrGy | (mind you, as i indicated before i'm using pcmanfm, not thunar, but it, too, uses gvfsd-smb as the backend) |
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| 10:37.14 | petn-randall | SynrGy: If I use thunar, it'll automatically mount it. You can see it because it's listed left next to all the other mounted file systems, and there's an icon to "eject" it. |
| 10:38.26 | auntiefee | what is meant by nstall the appropriate linux-headers and kernel module packages |
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| 10:42.48 | SynrGy | petn-randall: aha! i was grepping for cifs which is wrong. there's a single mount point for all of them, via fuse: |
| 10:42.51 | SynrGy | /run/user/1006/gvfs |
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| 10:43.19 | SynrGy | gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1006/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1006,group_id=1006) |
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| 10:43.52 | SynrGy | auntiefee: so, let's say you have 'linux-image-amd64', then you just install 'linux-headers-amd64' |
| 10:44.16 | SynrGy | auntiefee: if you have something else, you would install the matching package (same name as your linux-image-* except prefixed linux-headers-) |
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| 10:44.44 | sympto | sorry im on ubuntu but #ubuntu wasnt very helpful in this. i get systemd errors (and delay) every boot and some modules wont load http://paste.pound-python.org/raw/Ovtm7DVPr6kp85P9qRYw/ |
| 10:44.48 | SynrGy | auntiefee: as for "appropriate ... kernel module packages", for what? |
| 10:44.59 | SynrGy | auntiefee: non-free drivers of some kind? |
| 10:45.12 | SynrGy | !based on debian |
| 10:45.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:45.18 | auntiefee | its in the wiki for installing nvidia drivers |
| 10:45.29 | auntiefee | but i just copy pasted the command |
| 10:45.30 | auntiefee | so all good |
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| 10:46.20 | petn-randall | sympto: Ubuntu is off-topic in this channel. We only support Debian here for obvious reasons. |
| 10:46.39 | sympto | SynrGy: do u understand how internal systemd dependency ordering works? |
| 10:46.48 | SynrGy | sympto: if you're unhappy with ubuntu's level of support/responsiveness/cluefulness, consider running debian instead |
| 10:47.05 | sympto | yeah fuck ubuntu |
| 10:48.40 | miskatonic | I trashed systemd and returned to good old sysvinit |
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| 10:49.07 | SynrGy | sympto: even supposing i did understand it (i don't), i would at least make the effort to either figure it out or put you in touch with someone who can help if you ran debian. however, you don't, so you don't get the support here. sorry |
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| 10:51.11 | sympto | SynrGy: ubuntu is just debian with a branding dont get all the hate. this channel is generally more educated |
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| 10:56.08 | SynrGy | sympto: hate? you've been explained the rules we follow here. i've tried to be as helpful as i can by giving you alternatives. take it or leave it |
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| 11:11.39 | x86_64 | hello |
| 11:12.01 | x86_64 | i want to be able to type dead keys on the tty with out X |
| 11:12.05 | x86_64 | how can i do that? |
| 11:12.14 | x86_64 | such as: ä å ö |
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| 11:18.06 | x86_64 | nkuttler, well, what i get is nothing |
| 11:18.22 | x86_64 | I want to be able to use the Right Alt as AltGr and type dead keys along with it |
| 11:18.28 | x86_64 | how can i set that? |
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| 11:48.38 | x86_64 | how can i do that? |
| 11:48.40 | x86_64 | such as: ä å ö |
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| 12:13.58 | jubo2 | piippöls.. |
| 12:14.07 | jubo2 | I've a question.. |
| 12:14.11 | jubo2 | It is not very texy |
| 12:14.46 | jubo2 | Am I assuming right the any reasonable mysql-server installation will not listen to external hosts for port 3306 ? |
| 12:14.57 | jubo2 | only 127.0.0.1 aka localhost |
| 12:15.00 | jubo2 | ..? |
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| 12:16.41 | x86_64 | jubo2, vad? |
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| 12:18.06 | x86_64 | jubo2, ja. mysql-server lysnna inte på det. |
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| 12:20.56 | jubo2 | tackr. det var allt. tusen tak |
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| 12:23.56 | feodoran | hi, I am trying to convince kile not to use the texlive installation from the repository (2012 version), but a manual installed one (2014). for this I update $PATH in my .bashrc, which works fine if I run latex from any terminal. However if I use the button/hotkey within kile the 2012 version will be used. it appears to me kile is just ignoring my changes to the environment variable. any advice? |
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| 12:25.20 | x86_64 | jubo2, im surprised you can understand me. |
| 12:25.24 | x86_64 | PM |
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| 12:37.44 | petn-randall | feodoran: environment variables only take effect for the programs that get launched within this environment. Unless kile is spawned from your bash, it won't take effect. |
| 12:41.07 | feodoran | petn-randall: how can I ensure kile we be effected? |
| 12:41.37 | feodoran | petn-randall: regardless of how kile is started |
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| 12:44.19 | BluesKaj | HI folks |
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| 12:52.44 | petn-randall | feodoran: dpkg says /etc/environment is the right place, but maybe you can find a user-specific file to set it. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Environment_variables |
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| 12:54.40 | drdom | Hello, I do have problem with activation imaps (port 993) since upgrading debian 7 --> debian 8. Port 143 works fine, but 993 won´t get activated. Any advice? |
| 12:54.54 | drdom | IMAPS on dovecot. |
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| 12:55.19 | petn-randall | drdom: What do you mean with activated? |
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| 12:56.07 | petn-randall | drdom: Have you checked for configuration changes in dovecot? Have you checked the log output of dovecot for any errors? |
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| 13:04.48 | drdom | There is no error in mail-logs. Activated means - dovecot is not listening on port 993 (does this for 6 month, prior to debian update). |
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| 13:16.14 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 13:16.50 | ychaouche | I am receiving a lot of local mail from Cron about a particular cron job I'v created. I think the job runs fine so I'm wondering why cron is sending me those emails ? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/b0629090fc7b5414ad36/raw/c5a145c13366243debc3876112add7911b612f60/gistfile1.txt |
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| 13:19.40 | c0fe | ychaouche: those are status reports |
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| 13:20.19 | ghormoon | hi, any idea how to make uniq work on sql queries? (they have the same md5sum, there are multiple same next to each other and it doesn't work. i suspect problem with lots if apostrophes/quotes/...) |
| 13:20.21 | c0fe | ychaouche: this is what irritates me about cron is that when it does send you a status report it does so in the most cryptic method possible if not completely confusing and useless |
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| 13:21.53 | ychaouche | c0fe: there should be a convention of the value of Status:, in the header (last value) |
| 13:22.01 | ychaouche | maybe ? |
| 13:22.34 | c0fe | ychaouche: it should be in a completely different format than what it is written now but there is your answer, those are status reports |
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| 13:23.30 | ychaouche | ghormoon: can you rephrase the question ? or maybe paste examples of what's considered unique but uniq can't sort out. |
| 13:24.29 | rgr | ghormoon:examples please. |
| 13:25.16 | ychaouche | c0fe: ok, man page says that if the command outputs anything then it is mailed to the owner. I think that is why I received that. |
| 13:25.33 | c0fe | yup |
| 13:25.52 | ychaouche | c0fe: I left some echos here and there for debugging purposes, I thought it wouldn't harm. |
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| 13:31.49 | ghormoon | hm, I've just nocite that one of what I'e consideret wrap was real newline (the query eonded with = $2 on newline) and that broke it :( |
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| 13:32.21 | ghormoon | maybe i've grepped and cut something that shouldn't be there in the first time |
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| 13:34.48 | c0fe | i wonder what exactly is the benefit of selinux |
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| 13:35.07 | c0fe | it is a great tool to manage how each application can behave |
| 13:35.28 | c0fe | but it seems like it is made to prevent from malicious applications from launching |
| 13:35.40 | c0fe | am i correct on that thinking? |
| 13:37.09 | vamps | c0fe: it's more a way to prevent a buggy application to be exploited |
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| 13:37.36 | c0fe | vamps: i see |
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| 13:38.03 | c0fe | vamps: but what if you use openvz or some kind of serious chrooting, wouldn't that solve that issue too? |
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| 13:40.25 | vamps | c0fe: for a server maybe |
| 13:40.53 | c0fe | vamps: i see ok, that answers my question thanks |
| 13:40.58 | vamps | but with a desktop you are not going to put every applications in a container |
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| 13:42.34 | c0fe | vamps: have they improved selinux to the point that it can autoconfig? the last time i have used it i remember it blocked everything on default and required to set very specific permissions |
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| 13:45.00 | vamps | c0fe: I didn't try it recently, but it seems distribution like Fedora are doing a pretty good job with the packaging |
| 13:45.16 | vamps | you have a good default configuration |
| 13:45.33 | vamps | never tried on debian |
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| 13:47.24 | ychaouche | ghormoon: tr -d '\n' |
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| 13:48.05 | vamps | (I talk about Fedora because seLinux is enabled by default) |
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| 13:50.31 | no_gravity | Good Afternoon! Being on a remote machine via ssh. Is there an easy way to get a textfile from the remote machine into the clipboard of the local machine? |
| 13:51.17 | petn-randall | no_gravity: 'cat <file>', then just mark the text with your mouse. Assuming it's not too large. |
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| 13:51.32 | no_gravity | petn-randall: it's too large :) |
| 13:51.45 | vamps | no_gravity: maybe https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16694/copy-input-to-clipboard-over-ssh |
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| 13:53.44 | vamps | xclip with ssh forwarding will do the trick |
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| 13:58.31 | ghormoon | ychaouche: that won't be good on whole log :) I've solved it the other way, prefilter it better before and the it worked |
| 13:59.05 | ychaouche | ghormoon: good. |
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| 13:59.34 | no_gravity | this issue reminds me of https://xkcd.com/949/ |
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| 13:59.56 | no_gravity | looks like "python -m SimpleHTTPServer" is the fastest way i can think of |
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| 14:00.37 | no_gravity | and then go to remotehost:8000 and open the text file in the browser |
| 14:00.39 | c0fe | no_gravity: that comic is outdated, mega.co.nz has no bs popups |
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| 14:09.00 | marcelofb | Hello... i am having some trouble figuring out how to download nvidia drivers before installing bumblebee, every tutorial I read talks about "nvidia-3XX" (nvidia-330, nvidia-331, etc), but there is no packages with that name in debian repositories... could anybody point me out some directions? |
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| 14:12.13 | ws2k3 | i am having a very odd issue with debian jessie it seems my system is only using 12 cores or the 24 cores i have. core 0/5 are constandly in use core 6/11 is at 0 % core 12 until 17 is being used and core 18/23 is at 0 % all the time what could this be ? |
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| 14:14.06 | knight_ryu12 | ws2k3, CPU auto controls Usage. |
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| 14:14.52 | ws2k3 | knight_ryu12 hmm ok, but the reason i came here cause my machine load to high of what it should be able to do and then i found this so that worry's me |
| 14:15.50 | equa | marcelofb: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 14:16.01 | BluesKaj | marcelofb, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#jessie, not sure if this applies to bumblebee though |
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| 14:16.22 | equa | BluesKaj: there's a different one for optimus video card |
| 14:16.54 | at0m|c | https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 14:16.59 | equa | there's a link to bumblee in it though |
| 14:17.00 | BluesKaj | equa, yeah, maybe the nvidia-prime setup |
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| 14:18.06 | johnfg | equa: Sorry, I went to bed. |
| 14:18.16 | equa | johnfg: np. rest is good |
| 14:18.19 | BluesKaj | equa, I'm still a bit new to debian , i've been a kubuntu user for 10yrs, but some things are quite different |
| 14:18.24 | johnfg | I have sid in there because once upon a time I had installed something from there. |
| 14:18.34 | johnfg | Not sure if I still need sid or not. |
| 14:18.44 | johnfg | equa: Any other ideas about the mysql problem? |
| 14:18.54 | equa | johnfg: yikes, how many packages do you have from sid? |
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| 14:19.20 | equa | johnfg: let's try to configure it. dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.5 |
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| 14:19.23 | johnfg | equa: Not sure, probably not many. |
| 14:19.34 | johnfg | equa: Ok, I'll try the configure. |
| 14:20.15 | equa | johnfg: comment out the line for sid. then do apt-get update |
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| 14:20.58 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 14:20.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:21.07 | petn-randall | johnfg: ^^^^^ |
| 14:21.29 | johnfg | equa: That failed too: http://dpaste.com/2W2R8XK |
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| 14:22.21 | johnfg | equa: Ok, I'll comment out that line. petn-randall: Seems to me I only installed something from sid because of a recommendation to do so. |
| 14:22.23 | ojaito1 | Hi all: hopefully someone can tell me where I should really ask this question. I'm running some calculations in Python. Long story short, even though it's designed as a single-threaded process (no intentional parallelization), htop indicates that the process is using 2000% of my CPU! In fact, it has indeed spawned a lot of "copies" of itself. Does anyone know why this happens (it is a Xeon v3 processor, |
| 14:22.26 | ojaito1 | one of two in the box) and how to stop it? It slows down my computer... |
| 14:23.06 | ojaito1 | (I am running Debian Jessie 8) |
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| 14:23.47 | petn-randall | johnfg: Did someone recommend it to you in this channel? |
| 14:23.57 | equa | johnfg: have yu done your backup? let's make one before we continue |
| 14:24.04 | petan | ojaito1: just kill it? |
| 14:24.25 | petan | ojaito1: it happens because it's poorly written program full of bugs |
| 14:24.56 | petn-randall | ojaito1: You can 'nice' the application so it doesn't interfere with any other processes running. |
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| 14:25.31 | petan | petn-randall: that doesn't always help |
| 14:25.42 | petan | even processes with low priority can exhaust your system |
| 14:25.48 | ojaito1 | petan: because python is a poorly written program full of bugs? my program raises no exceptions, warnings or otherwise |
| 14:25.55 | ojaito1 | petn-randall: it's already niced |
| 14:25.56 | petan | also, nice changes CPU priority, not IO prio |
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| 14:26.22 | equa | ojaito1: you can use cgroup or cpu limit to set the cpu % |
| 14:26.41 | petn-randall | petan: That's what ionice would do. Butu ojaito1 specifically complained that it used up CPU, not I/O. |
| 14:26.43 | petan | ojaito1: that thing which is running in python is probably not well written if it does this, but yes, BTW python is also not a best invention to be fair |
| 14:26.47 | ojaito1 | petan: I want it to run, without hogging so many resources (I don't want to kill it -- I just want it to remain on just one core of one processor) |
| 14:26.51 | petn-randall | s/Butu/But/ |
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| 14:27.33 | petan | ojaito1: you have somewhere a statement in your program that makes it fork itself or lauch some extra threads, otherwise it would run in 1 thread only |
| 14:27.46 | ojaito1 | petan-randall: thanks for the tip about ionice anyway; didn't know about that. |
| 14:27.51 | petan | python by default doesn't use more than 1 thread and AFAIK python doesn't really support multithreading |
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| 14:28.07 | petn-randall | ojaito1: petn<tab> |
| 14:28.15 | ojaito1 | petan: Ok I see; I wonder what kind of comannd would make this happen... |
| 14:28.34 | ojaito1 | petan: when I run the same code on other multi-processor/multi-core machines, it *doesn't* happen. |
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| 14:28.49 | petan | look for some "fork" thing? I am no python guru though, or maybe it's the invocation |
| 14:28.55 | equa | ojaito1: check your loop statement, it's spawning more than one thread. |
| 14:28.58 | petan | I am pretty sure CPU is not causing this |
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| 14:30.02 | ojaito1 | equa: isn't this something I have to do "intentionally"? the code is not parallelized in any way; I will try to figure out what it is... I have no idea. |
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| 14:30.34 | petan | some libraries you are using may be using threads on its own |
| 14:30.41 | petan | many async operations do that |
| 14:30.46 | petan | network libraries and so on |
| 14:30.50 | equa | ojaito1: ya you need to do it intentionally, python doesn't support multi threads by default |
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| 14:31.33 | ojaito1 | petan: there you go; it's probably in some library I'm using, and can't see the multi-threaded calls. Now to figure out which one is the culprit... |
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| 14:31.53 | johnfg | equa: Looks like I can't do a backup as mysqld isn't running. |
| 14:31.55 | petan | it may even be that you have different version of that library on server where it works |
| 14:32.11 | equa | johnfg: try sudo systemctl restart mysql |
| 14:32.30 | ojaito1 | petan: ok thanks -- I will look into that as well |
| 14:32.39 | petan | ojaito1: how you installed python? if using dpkg try to list all python packages and compare versions |
| 14:32.42 | petan | with that other system |
| 14:32.44 | johnfg | I'm just recalling, isn't there a special administrative password that gets entered at install? Maybe that somehow got corrupted. |
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| 14:33.26 | equa | johnfg: the last time i installed it on wheezy, it ran the mysql security for me to enter a root password |
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| 14:34.30 | johnfg | it failed to restart. |
| 14:34.51 | ws2k3 | hello, i have 2 indentical servers only on one cpu frequancy scaling is not working cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory what could this be ? |
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| 14:35.39 | petan | ws2k3: missing module in kernel |
| 14:35.41 | equa | johnfg: now we need to check logs. let me get all the mysql logs in /var/log |
| 14:36.11 | petan | ws2k3: how much identical they are? same hardware? same software? same OS image? |
| 14:36.11 | johnfg | I just did, nothing's written :-( |
| 14:37.17 | equa | johnfg: do dmesg and see if any thing related to mysql not starting up |
| 14:37.47 | ws2k3 | petan they are identical hardware not sure if same bios version they are running same debian version not an image just an install but this is the only server in my datacenter that is having this issue |
| 14:37.51 | ojaito1 | petan: using dpkg; good idea -- i will check |
| 14:37.58 | petan | johnfg: when I had these problems usually starting mysqld by hand, instead of init.d was useful as it wrote output to terminal |
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| 14:39.27 | petan | ws2k3: hm, is cpufreq even installed on that machine? afaik it's a package cpufreqd or maybe cpufrequtils, you might need it? not sure, you can run lsmod on both servers and compare output, maybe you are just missing module on one of these boxes? |
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| 14:41.06 | petan | ws2k3: the installations may differ try comparing installed packages on both servers, especially these with cpufreq in name `dpkg -l | grep cpufreq` |
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| 14:43.18 | ws2k3 | petan cpufreq is installed on both machines that is not the issue |
| 14:44.02 | petan | ok, both are using stock kernel? |
| 14:44.32 | petan | check if they have same modules loaded with lsmod |
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| 14:46.39 | ws2k3 | petan what should i look for in lsmod |
| 14:46.59 | petan | ws2k3: differences between machine that's ok and one that's not |
| 14:47.14 | petan | if the hardware and kernel is identical the outputs should be as well |
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| 14:48.30 | ws2k3 | petan th output is the same only the order is different |
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| 14:49.02 | petan | what's the kernel version |
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| 14:49.52 | ws2k3 | also the kernel is a bit different working: 3.2.0-41-generic not working: 3.2.0-61-generic |
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| 14:52.32 | petan | ws2k3: hmm I am no big expert on this, I just tried on 2 of my servers, one with AMD Cpu and old kernel (3.0.0) has this cpufreq folder you are missing, other one with Intel Xeon and newer kernel 3.10.0 doesn't have it. Maybe it was removed in newer version? No idea |
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| 14:53.01 | equa | ws2k3: check your bios too. step technology enabled and so on |
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| 14:54.53 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:55.05 | lkz0ne | hi |
| 14:55.38 | ntz | how do I do in debian what ``rpm -q pkgname --queryformat "%{License}\n}"'' does ? I need to specifically print out a license information for certain package(s) |
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| 14:57.53 | BluesKaj | ntz replace rpm with dpkg ..might work |
| 14:58.05 | lkz0ne | maybe dpkg-query -l "*package*" |
| 14:59.18 | ntz | BluesKaj: doesn't work, lkz0ne doesn't provide license information |
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| 15:00.38 | c0fe_machine | wow this company's behavior is absolutely amazing |
| 15:00.44 | c0fe_machine | rudeness and stupidity beyond belief |
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| 15:00.52 | BluesKaj | ntz, suggest you check out man dpkg |
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| 15:01.41 | c0fe_machine | they send me hundreds of samples only to completely ignore all calls to attempt to place orders for a trucklaod |
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| 15:04.20 | BluesKaj | c0fe_machine, , maybe their order office uses a different unpublished phone number. I've seen that oversight in the past |
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| 15:04.57 | c0fe_machine | BluesKaj: no i have their correct phone number, just when I call they hang up, i called up the sales person they also hang up |
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| 15:05.07 | c0fe_machine | BluesKaj: i can't figure what the issue with this company is |
| 15:05.20 | c0fe_machine | and i mean literally no freaking clue |
| 15:05.25 | BluesKaj | do they speak English ? |
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| 15:06.08 | c0fe_machine | BluesKaj: yes, though its an icelandic company and while i only dealt with two icelanders before that experience was horrific |
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| 15:06.13 | c0fe_machine | so i don't know if this a cultural thing? |
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| 15:07.51 | BluesKaj | odd most Icelanders speak English , quite sure they study it in school from 1st grade |
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| 15:08.40 | c0fe_machine | BluesKaj: yeah this isn't a language issue this is just them being complete assholes for literally no reason. at least i have no idea why |
| 15:09.06 | c0fe_machine | this company literally just sells water and that's all |
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| 15:09.28 | BluesKaj | strange |
| 15:10.08 | ntz | BluesKaj: my apologize, but examples section (from man says): ``` To remove an installed elvis package: dpkg -r elvis ''' whilst following ends up with error: dpkg -I fping |
| 15:10.11 | ntz | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `fping': No such file or directory |
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| 15:10.21 | ntz | ^^ I have really no clue howto use dpkg for this right now |
| 15:10.27 | autodida1t | downloadin mah ffmpeg |
| 15:10.32 | autodida1t | dootdeedoot |
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| 15:11.05 | petn-randall | c0fe_machine: This discussion might be better suited for #debian-offtopic. |
| 15:11.12 | BluesKaj | !licence |
| 15:11.30 | BluesKaj | no infobot |
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| 15:12.00 | autodida1t | !license |
| 15:12.01 | dpkg | licenses are intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software, or http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 15:12.04 | autodida1t | fool |
| 15:12.10 | at0m|c | BluesKaj: there's judd and dpkg. /msg them help |
| 15:12.31 | at0m|c | autodida1t: calling names isn't necessary |
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| 15:12.43 | autodida1t | sry bae |
| 15:13.03 | ntz | BluesKaj: anyhow, tell me please how do I get this info and I'll tell you, howto get that info on bsd and solaris :P ... good deal ? |
| 15:13.08 | BluesKaj | ahh using the verb works., ok |
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| 15:14.20 | c0fe_machine | isn't solaris defunct now? |
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| 15:14.29 | BluesKaj | ntz, sorry finding licences for packages is beyond my experience |
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| 15:15.08 | ws2k3 | petan i resetted the bios to factory default and now its working fine |
| 15:15.10 | BluesKaj | is a home user, so need to validate |
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| 15:15.19 | BluesKaj | no need that is |
| 15:15.21 | bartzy | Hi |
| 15:15.31 | bartzy | Is aptitude considered âharmfulâ to use in debian today? And apt-get is better? |
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| 15:15.41 | bartzy | I heard of issues of compatability if you use both |
| 15:15.44 | c0fe_machine | validates BluesKaj's parking |
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| 15:16.00 | at0m|c | bartzy: nah. and nowadays you can just use apt, too |
| 15:16.15 | bartzy | at0m|c: Why ânowdaysâ? What was the difference in the past? |
| 15:16.15 | BluesKaj | c0fe_machine, thanks |
| 15:16.19 | ntz | BluesKaj: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/29122387 |
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| 15:16.30 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... i have debian 8 testing with i3 WM, can somebody tell me how is managed the power settings ? and which program is actually managing power on my laptop ? i would like to start the application i3lock when the lid of my laptop is closed... how do i do that ? |
| 15:16.30 | ntz | ^^ there's no info in .deb packages like this ? |
| 15:16.31 | at0m|c | bartzy: recent versions have converged some |
| 15:16.32 | gcr | hi, can smbd say why my router tp-link 741 with my own openwrt can close ssh connection with 100% right pass? Yesterday all was right, today i can't connect? Can smbd close my router? |
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| 15:16.37 | petn-randall | bartzy: aptitude and apt-get can be used on the same system, without problems. You can run them at the same time, the 1st program to start will lock, and the 2nd will refuse to run. |
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| 15:16.54 | bartzy | at0m|c: Also, how do I do stuff like aptitude show with apt-get ? |
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| 15:17.08 | c0fe_machine | isn't aptitude and apt-get the same? |
| 15:17.12 | petn-randall | gcr: You might want to ask in #openwrt. |
| 15:17.27 | at0m|c | bartzy: try apt-cache or apt show |
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| 15:17.38 | bartzy | ok thanks |
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| 15:18.08 | BluesKaj | !aptitude |
| 15:18.09 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 15:18.13 | ntz | BluesKaj: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/42842502 even solaris supports that included full license body |
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| 15:18.59 | ntz | omg, the more I know debian the more I don't like it :D |
| 15:19.02 | c0fe_machine | aptitude-fu? why not aptitude-foo or aptitude-fufu? |
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| 15:21.02 | at0m|c | ntz: feel free to get something you like better :) |
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| 15:22.11 | c0fe_machine | ntz: what specifically don't you like about debian? |
| 15:22.11 | ntz | at0m|c: I do, but some debian servers are heritage from my predecessor ... I'm slowly migrating them to something else ofc |
| 15:22.19 | BluesKaj | ntz, it just different than suse and the "hats" , that's all, but IME debian package management is superior |
| 15:22.43 | c0fe_machine | at0m|c: why is this such a common FOSS statement? You don't like it? You have no right to complain, it is free! |
| 15:22.56 | c0fe_machine | Like Gimp, that monstrosity shouldn't exist |
| 15:22.58 | ntz | c0fe_machine: that's untested (in real) and unstable ... things segfaults there, nobody cares for your bugreports even patches |
| 15:23.11 | ntz | there are known issues for years in stable release |
| 15:23.12 | at0m|c | c0fe_machine: and nobody uses it! |
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| 15:23.30 | at0m|c | only the devs cos they live dev'ing |
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| 15:24.05 | c0fe_machine | i don't think it is a good response "don't complain it is free" to problems in software |
| 15:24.28 | luv | hey. a quick question. Should aptitude respect /etc/apt/preferences (pinning)? Because Im getting different results from "apt-cache policy xyz" and "aptitude show xyz" (and apt-get and aptitude dist-upgrade also want to install diferent versions ... ) |
| 15:24.36 | ntz | anyhow, is there a please way, to ask dpkg for the metadata of foo package that will show me the license of foo ? |
| 15:24.41 | at0m|c | c0fe_machine: it's just that such remarks don't help anyone. make a ham sammich then complain while eating? make another. |
| 15:24.54 | ntz | like all other unix(-like) systems packaging subsystems do ? |
| 15:24.58 | c0fe_machine | but the "don't complain is free" does not help neither |
| 15:25.00 | c0fe_machine | there is a middle ground |
| 15:25.17 | brontosaurusrex | c0fe_machine: thats not really foss statement, adobe sucks for years, but I know everything else sucks even more, so ... |
| 15:25.38 | brontosaurusrex | c0fe_machine: its not even free |
| 15:25.50 | petn-randall | luv: They both should respect pinning, yes. |
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| 15:26.34 | BluesKaj | luv, plain apt works bet for me , not aptitude or apt-get , just apt , like sudo apt install xxxxx |
| 15:26.42 | petn-randall | ntz: So $yourfavoritedistro comes with known issues that aren't known for years? |
| 15:26.47 | BluesKaj | bet=best |
| 15:27.06 | ntz | petn-randall: exactly :) |
| 15:27.15 | petn-randall | sounds legit |
| 15:27.38 | ntz | petn-randall: my favourite distro has even policy, that bugs shouldn't been open or without response |
| 15:27.45 | luv | petn-randall: yeah, I thought so untill I've seen this. Could it be because apt-get is more eager to downgrade a package than aptitude ? |
| 15:27.50 | petn-randall | ntz: A Debian installation can only be as good as the admin maintaining it ... |
| 15:27.55 | bazhang | ntz, which one is that |
| 15:27.56 | ntz | **open too long without reason |
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| 15:28.18 | luv | BluesKaj: oh ive never used that (and ive been using debian for way too long :) ) |
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| 15:28.44 | petn-randall | luv: They have different conflict resolution algorithms, which is why they usually get different results on more complex inconsistencies. It shouldn't violate the preferences, though. |
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| 15:29.12 | BluesKaj | luv, i just discoverd it myself , think it's new |
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| 15:29.51 | petn-randall | ntz: Ubuntu has that, too, but it doesn't really improve quality. If they go "thank you for your bug report" and then "Release X has reached it's EOL, thus we're closing your bug", it doesn't really benefit anyone. |
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| 15:30.18 | ntz | bazhang: heck, retarded debian bugzilla even shows my email to everybody even if you're not logged in: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774701 |
| 15:30.19 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/774701 in logrotate (open): «logrotate.conf defaults for wtmp file»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-01-06; last modified: 2015-01-07. |
| 15:30.30 | ntz | oh .. that was supposed to be /msg |
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| 15:30.36 | ntz | as an answer what distro |
| 15:30.39 | ntz | sorry |
| 15:30.58 | bazhang | this is nettezauma, right |
| 15:31.00 | ntz | bazhang: ^^ that was supposed to be "unpolite" /msg as an answer on what distro do I use |
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| 15:31.59 | bazhang | so what distro |
| 15:32.01 | ntz | bazhang: unfortunatelly, do we know each other ? |
| 15:33.18 | ntz | I use mostly suse (and sometimes fedora or now newly centos 7.x) on my workstations |
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| 15:34.13 | petn-randall | ntz: I'm still wondering why you're still using Debian at all. Your contributions in this channel for the last months have mostly been complaining about Debian. |
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| 15:34.49 | ntz | petn-randall: heritage ... only the heritage on productional servers |
| 15:34.59 | ntz | 10% of them |
| 15:35.45 | ntz | anyhow, don't take it too serious ..... and don't let it hurt you |
| 15:35.53 | luv | petn-randall: yeah, i just that there have been a bunch of issue regarding aptitude and /etc/apt/preferences in the past (but they are all several years old) |
| 15:35.54 | petn-randall | ntz: Start migrating then? If you'd put all that time complaining into migrating, you'd be done by next week. |
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| 15:38.03 | ntz | petn-randall: :), you're correct (even now when not providing an exact technical help) .. again, don't take it serious guys ... it always start same, I somehow drop something (some side-point) involving my repulsion to debian and you always (i mean you - chan) start discussing with me that matter |
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| 15:38.47 | ntz | bazhang: again please, do we know each other ? |
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| 15:40.39 | petn-randall | ntz: I see your point, but I don't think that the structure of "<complaining about debian>, <why other distros do it better>, anyways here's my problem:" sends a positive signal to people in this channel. After all, it's *you* asking for support, from people who volunteer their free time to help you. |
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| 15:41.53 | welpo | I'd like to automatically grab the ISO of new Debian releases. Is there an RSS where the .torrent files (or magnet links) are updated? Maybe an IRC channel where they are announced? |
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| 15:42.34 | ntz | thanks chan for help, leaving now !! |
| 15:42.36 | petn-randall | ntz: I'm not saying that Debian is perfect, far from it, but it does have it's plus sides, and sometimes there are defaults that you don't like simply because it's hard to find a default that makes all users happy. But luckily it's only a default, and not set in stone, so simply change it on your machine and move on. |
| 15:42.51 | ntz | sure .... |
| 15:43.04 | ntz | again, adieu chan !!! |
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| 16:02.25 | F4F7 | i am running debian 8 on amd64 for a few days now. whenever i attach a usb device (no matter if ext3, ext4, fat32 or w/e format, the system gets very slow when copying bigger amount of data. what could be the reason for that? |
| 16:03.21 | aswin | F4F7: what kind of file you are copying? |
| 16:03.26 | F4F7 | also, i get frequent cpu overheating issues |
| 16:03.41 | F4F7 | aswin: all sorts - zips, mp3, mp4/avi, text files... |
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| 16:06.24 | aswin | F4F7: what is the cpu usage and RAM, try htop |
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| 16:06.41 | c0fe_machine | screw it i am going to charge this delivery company a fee for being late |
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| 16:10.13 | F4F7 | now htop finally gave me a result (after 2 minutes)... cpu 4.8%, MEM 0.4% |
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| 16:19.37 | brontosaurusrex | F4F7: I had those some issues with early versions of wheezy, never found a solution. |
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| 16:20.35 | brontosaurusrex | F4F7: actually the "solution" was to use osx as usb dock and then copy stuff over ssh to usb drive from debian machine. |
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| 16:22.37 | F4F7 | i considered ssh too, but on the long term that is not an option for me. |
| 16:22.50 | F4F7 | also it would take forever for 400GB |
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| 16:23.20 | F4F7 | given that there also seems to be no fix for the cpu overheating issues, i guess i will have to look for an alternative to debian then :( |
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| 16:23.53 | F4F7 | which distro is the most similar to debian? (pls no ubuntu/fedora) |
| 16:24.21 | sh00p | mint perhaps |
| 16:24.31 | sh00p | i think it's a ubuntu fork though |
| 16:24.47 | autodida1t | crunchbang |
| 16:24.51 | autodida1t | is very similar |
| 16:24.52 | autodida1t | lol |
| 16:25.00 | at0m|c | https://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
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| 16:26.07 | F4F7 | thx |
| 16:26.12 | F4F7 | crunchbang? o0 |
| 16:26.56 | at0m|c | F4F7: or look for the culprit - what's causing cpu overheat? know how to monitor cpu? how's your fans? speed, dirt? |
| 16:27.10 | F4F7 | mint looks too much like windows for my taste... but nvm, i will find something. perhaps whonix |
| 16:27.15 | sh00p | acpi turned off in bios maybe? |
| 16:27.16 | petn-randall | F4F7: Overheating CPU sounds like a hardware issue to me, especially if the CPU seems to be idle. |
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| 16:27.34 | sh00p | some weird fan settings somewhere |
| 16:27.41 | F4F7 | at0m|c: my fans work fine, the laptop is just one year old. it all works fine on other distros too. |
| 16:27.53 | F4F7 | sh00p: i will check that |
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| 16:28.04 | petn-randall | F4F7: I don't think distro-hopping will necessarily fix your problem, chances are you'll have the same problems there. |
| 16:28.04 | sh00p | you could also change kernel |
| 16:28.28 | petn-randall | F4F7: What *GPU* do you have? Some nvidia/AMD ones could exhibit such problems. |
| 16:28.41 | F4F7 | petn-randall: nvidia |
| 16:28.53 | petn-randall | F4F7: And what model? |
| 16:28.55 | sh00p | turn off the eyecandy, maybe it can't handle it |
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| 16:29.07 | F4F7 | 840m |
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| 16:29.20 | F4F7 | i already booted into a mate and xfce session, same there |
| 16:29.34 | sh00p | that's a fast one still, eyecandy should not be a problem |
| 16:29.51 | F4F7 | and it has an intel core i7 + 8gb ram |
| 16:29.55 | F4F7 | hardware should be more than enough IMO |
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| 16:30.15 | F4F7 | brb, i will reboot and check acpi in bios |
| 16:30.17 | sh00p | i'd check to see if you got any funky bios settings |
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| 16:31.46 | Kenran | Hey! I installed a debian system for the first time yesterday (I chose not to install a desktop environment), ran into a problem such that my system wouldn't even start up anymore |
| 16:31.52 | Kenran | now I want to prevent this from happening |
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| 16:32.28 | sh00p | your system should start, regardless of whether you have a desktop environment or not Kenran |
| 16:32.32 | at0m|c | Kenran: define "system wouldn't even start up" How far does it go? |
| 16:32.43 | at0m|c | past grub? |
| 16:32.45 | Kenran | the problem occurred after I installed xorg and nvidia-drivers |
| 16:32.56 | Kenran | during the nvidia-driver installation, it told me to reboot |
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| 16:33.26 | Kenran | and then it always got stuck almost immediately after I chose debian from the boot manager |
| 16:34.41 | Kenran | now I'm at the same point again, I have freshly installed this system (without X again), and the only package I got so far was irssi |
| 16:35.03 | at0m|c | !nvidia |
| 16:35.04 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:35.09 | at0m|c | followed those? |
| 16:35.13 | equa | Kenran: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 16:35.29 | vonStrauss | #haskell |
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| 16:35.37 | vonStrauss | Sorry |
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| 16:37.11 | Kenran | at0m|c: I had this open on the laptop and thought I did everything, but let me double check this time |
| 16:37.31 | Kenran | equa: give me a second, I'm trying to remember how to navigate on linux, it's been a while :) |
| 16:37.43 | equa | Kenran: just open a terminal and type that |
| 16:37.54 | equa | i just need to check if you really have nvidia or optimus |
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| 16:39.01 | equa | Kenran: paste the result on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:42.47 | F4F7 | seems to be the case now that mysterious "tracker-store" consumes quite a lot of cpu on my system, occasionally |
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| 16:46.22 | Kenran | equa: sorry, I got a phone call; Is there a command to directly paste the output there as I have no browser installed atm? |
| 16:46.37 | equa | !paste |
| 16:46.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:46.42 | bazhang | ,v pastebinit |
| 16:46.46 | judd | Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.4-4; sid: 1.4-4 |
| 16:47.08 | equa | Kenran: you can use pastebinit , nopaste, or wgetpaste |
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| 16:47.24 | Kenran | thanks :) |
| 16:47.26 | at0m|c | equa: little chance his laptop will have >2 cards |
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| 16:47.36 | Kenran | !pastebinit |
| 16:47.37 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 16:47.52 | equa | at0m|c: oh trust me, optimus is on a bunch of leno's laptop |
| 16:47.53 | c0fe_machine | how you like your command line now! :D |
| 16:48.10 | c0fe_machine | also wouldn't it be possible just to ssh into the machine via putty |
| 16:48.17 | equa | at0m|c: i helped alot of people and they told me nvidia but it turns out to be optimus so lesson learnt |
| 16:48.46 | at0m|c | Kenran: if "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" just outputs 2 lines or less, /exec -o lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 16:49.13 | at0m|c | equa: yea got the point (and got optimus too:) |
| 16:49.33 | Kenran | at0m|c: equa: I guess my above line came across the wrong way: I'm not installing on my laptop, it's my PC (the laptop is not here right now or I'd google while doing this); it's definitely nvidia though (GeForce GTX 770) |
| 16:50.03 | equa | Kenran: its fine. run the command so i can check which type of installation |
| 16:50.16 | equa | Kenran: on the machine you are trying to install the driver |
| 16:50.16 | at0m|c | Kenran: intel's i3/5/7 have onboard gfx, too |
| 16:51.26 | Kenran | http://paste.debian.net/284526/ |
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| 16:53.20 | equa | Kenran: have you added contrib + non-free to your source? if not do sudo apt edit-sources and add them |
| 16:53.24 | Kenran | I forgot to mention: I used Debian testing (stretch) from 2 weeks ago, not a stable one |
| 16:53.44 | Kenran | equa: yes they're in there |
| 16:54.05 | equa | Kenran: are you on stable now? uname -a |
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| 16:54.51 | Guest48335 | dpkg:sources.list |
| 16:54.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:55.59 | Kenran | uname -a says: 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3 (2015-04-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux (shouldn't be stable) |
| 16:56.41 | Kenran | should I install xserver-xorg-core before I try installing nvidia-driver, or doesn't that matter? (it's what I tried yesterday) |
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| 16:57.08 | equa | Kenran: it doesnt matter. |
| 16:57.19 | c0fe_machine | yeah it would be really nuts if it did matter |
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| 16:58.20 | Kenran | could this have to do anything with me using a non-stable version? I could just reinstall a stable one if I'm circumventing these problems there |
| 16:58.28 | equa | Kenran: do apt-get install xorg linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:58.42 | equa | Kenran: it's called unstable for a reason :D |
| 16:58.52 | Kenran | equa: :D |
| 16:59.17 | equa | Kenran: which DE will you be using? |
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| 16:59.25 | Kenran | from what I heard of debian's stability, I guessed an "unstable" installation would still be more stable than what I used before ;) |
| 16:59.52 | Kenran | equa: I was planning to go with awesome as a window manager and not get some of the "heavier" stuff |
| 17:00.16 | equa | Kenran: k. i'll let you do that on your own. i'll just help with the driver installation |
| 17:00.27 | Kenran | it's basically the sole reason why I didn't choose a desktop environment to begin with; thought I'd have to uninstall a lot then |
| 17:00.52 | Kenran | equa: sure, I used awesome before, after the driver is set up it should just be adding one line to the init script |
| 17:01.16 | Kenran | ok, I'm trying the command now, brb |
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| 17:02.53 | Kenran | mh |
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| 17:03.45 | Kenran | equa: stupid question: I still had the cdrom line in my sources.list; after I commented it out, the linux-headers-3.x package isn't found any longer |
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| 17:04.01 | Kenran | I just see 4.x now |
| 17:04.03 | equa | Kenran: you need to do apt-get update after changing the source list |
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| 17:04.46 | Kenran | equa: I still don't see any 3.x package there :/ |
| 17:05.25 | Kenran | wow, I'm so clumsy with all this, sry for the dumb questions |
| 17:05.36 | equa | Kenran: do linux-headers- tab completion and see what's available |
| 17:05.38 | c0fe_machine | You may need to open the backports repo |
| 17:05.42 | c0fe_machine | or whatever it is called |
| 17:06.29 | Kenran | equa: only 4.0.0.2 packages there; can I safely use one of these instead? |
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| 17:06.48 | equa | Kenran: uname -a says you're using the 3.x kernel |
| 17:06.59 | shingouz | ,v kernel |
| 17:07.00 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
| 17:07.17 | shingouz | grr... |
| 17:07.22 | shingouz | judd: kernel |
| 17:07.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.8-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
| 17:07.48 | shingouz | therefore, the headers should be found for those kernels |
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| 17:08.30 | Kenran | hm, so do I understand it correctly that I'm seeing the "wrong" headers for my kernel? |
| 17:09.21 | shingouz | Kenran: what version are you running there? from the uname it seems to me you are on sid? not a good idea unless you really really know what you are doing |
| 17:09.32 | equa | Kenran: did you install the minimal installation on stable and upgraded to stretch? |
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| 17:10.46 | Kenran | equa: shingouz: I was under the impression of being on "stretch"; I didn't do any upgrade, I downloaded a stretch dvd image with xfce, did the graphical expert install, and unchecked xfce and "debian desktop environment" |
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| 17:11.17 | Kenran | in my sources.list there's also only "stretch" listed |
| 17:11.39 | shingouz | Kenran: hmm... do an apt-get update |
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| 17:11.45 | Kenran | shingouz: I just did that |
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| 17:12.05 | shingouz | Kenran: apt-cache search headers |
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| 17:12.26 | c0fe_machine | try cleanmeta as well |
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| 17:13.27 | Kenran | shingouz: http://paste.debian.net/284541/, I'm not sure what I am seeing there ;) |
| 17:13.45 | shingouz | Kenran: sorry, my mistake. sec |
| 17:14.03 | Kenran | c0fe_machine: sorry, how would I go on about that? |
| 17:14.53 | c0fe_machine | Kenran: apt-get cleanmeta |
| 17:15.02 | equa | Kenran: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting. one of the line in there: The reliable way to install testing from scratch is to do a minimal installation with the stable installer, then upgrade from stable to testing. |
| 17:15.11 | c0fe_machine | or i am mixing something |
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| 17:15.30 | Kenran | equa: ah okay, so I did it wrong I guess; I just downloaded a testing dvd image |
| 17:15.43 | equa | Kenran: that is only to test the installer |
| 17:16.01 | Kenran | oh god... :D |
| 17:16.27 | equa | Kenran: i thought the same awhile ago. need to read alot more documents |
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| 17:17.26 | Kenran | well, I guess for a newb like me it would be the best to go with stable anyway |
| 17:17.36 | equa | Kenran: once you are on the new kernel, just do the installion of it's header and u should be fine |
| 17:18.16 | Kenran | equa: I'll go on tomorrow, it's a little late already :) |
| 17:18.23 | Kenran | Thanks for all the help guys! |
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| 17:18.51 | Kenran | I won't give up before I got a running debian system ;) |
| 17:19.08 | equa | Kenran: good luck |
| 17:19.42 | Kenran | bye |
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| 17:33.57 | relix_ | Hi - I just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy (everything was ok after reboot) and then to jessie, and now the server doesn't boot anymore. I'm working through a KVM now, and it seems that when grub starts it flashes three errors on the screen along the lines of "can't find harddisk" or something, and then the screen goes black and just stops. |
| 17:33.58 | ZZRMike | I'm trying to install a package on Debian 7.8 but I'm having dependency issues. The package depends on libsnmp15, but when I try to install libsnmp15 it tells me that it depends on libperl6.15 (>=5.14.2) but it is not going to be installed. So I look at libperl5.14 and it depends on perl-base (= 5.14.2-21+deb7u2) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u1 is to be installed. Is there a way to fix this problem? |
| 17:34.18 | relix_ | I'm running a software RAID so that could be the problem - there were no warnings or errors during the update process that I could see |
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| 17:34.32 | relix_ | is this a known/common issue that is fixable easily? |
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| 17:35.29 | relix_ | ah no, it says "error: file not found" twice, in grub |
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| 17:50.20 | vamps | ryouma: maybe you can also compare "du <file>" and "du --apparent-size <file>" |
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| 18:21.28 | Rust3dCor3 | hello! should i install debian stable or testing? I use ubuntu 14.04 and i like new software (and closed source software) but i dislike canonical their politics. To what version should i switch (all my closed source apps are in debian repos) |
| 18:22.24 | sh00p | testing is fine |
| 18:22.31 | sh00p | more stable than ubuntu in my experience |
| 18:23.10 | Rust3dCor3 | sh00p: what about sid? |
| 18:24.21 | buck1 | i'm looking at a package, and they've specified libfoo.so symlink to live in the -dev package, but all the other .s0.x.y.z files and symlinks to live in the non-dev |
| 18:24.24 | buck1 | does that make any sense? |
| 18:24.28 | buck1 | where do i find the guideline? |
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| 18:30.26 | sigfoo | Hi. I'm running Debian Jessie (BunsenLabs, specifically) on a 4th-generation i7 machine, and my CPU is hitting some pretty high frequencies even when idling. On my older installs it'd sit at 800MHz but now it's regularly jumping up to 3.4GHz. As far as I can tell, the governor is `powersave`. Is there anything I could do to make it throttle more aggresively? |
| 18:30.26 | buck1 | it's here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-sharedlibs-dev |
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| 18:32.28 | mtn | sigfoo, that is not supported in this channel, you will need to find support whereever they have it |
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| 18:33.12 | beardy | Say what? |
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| 18:33.23 | sigfoo | Sorry, wherever who has it? It's a Debian system |
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| 18:33.29 | mtn | !based on debian |
| 18:33.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:33.31 | sigfoo | BunsenLabs is just a particular set of packages |
| 18:33.34 | beardy | Ah. |
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| 18:34.00 | mtn | sigfoo, did you get the iso from the debian website? did the packages come from debian? |
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| 18:34.49 | sigfoo | Yes, and almost all of them, yes |
| 18:35.14 | mtn | sigfoo, from what the web says, this is based on crunchbang |
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| 18:35.56 | sigfoo | It's not built on top of Crunchbang. It just seeks to emulate the feel of Crunchbang. The system was built on top of Debian Jessie and 99.9% of the packages come directly from Debian repos |
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| 18:36.34 | buck1 | cool infographic http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.svg |
| 18:36.51 | buck1 | wrong channel sorry |
| 18:37.12 | BluesKaj | sigfoo, install cpufrequtils, it provides several options for controlling cpu loads/frequncies |
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| 18:38.15 | autodidact | anyone know wher i can find open broadcaster packages? |
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| 18:38.45 | beardy | autodidact: apt-cache search broadcaster |
| 18:39.09 | autodidact | ...? |
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| 18:39.38 | autodidact | is that a joke |
| 18:39.47 | greycat | Didn't sound like one to me. |
| 18:40.11 | autodidact | well it wasnt helpful, either way |
| 18:40.22 | greycat | So they are not in Debian? Then google. |
| 18:40.33 | beardy | Oh bo ho. GO search the web then you lazy demanding individual. |
| 18:40.37 | autodidact | so they are not in google? ask someone |
| 18:40.44 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 18:40.51 | autodidact | christ i dont bother with irc for shits and giggles |
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| 18:41.28 | greycat | What is an "open broadcaster"? |
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| 18:42.20 | BluesKaj | autodidact, check MLT in the software center |
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| 18:43.55 | buck1 | apt-cache search broadcast turns up a good number of things |
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| 18:49.18 | buck1 | where is the definition of the debian/foo_files format? |
| 18:49.26 | buck1 | don't see it here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents |
| 18:49.48 | buck1 | err debian/mypackage_install |
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| 18:53.59 | sigfoo | 14:37 < BluesKaj> sigfoo, install cpufrequtils, it provides several options for controlling cpu loads/frequncies |
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| 18:54.19 | sigfoo | Thanks for this. I seem to have found a solution. Not a particularly good one, but it seems to work |
| 18:55.00 | sigfoo | cpufreq-set -u 2.0GHz stops me from hitting 3.4GHz on idle, anyway. :) |
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| 19:00.31 | BluesKaj | sigfoo, do you use kmail, if not maybe the file indexer nepomuk and the akonadi-server are using up cpu in the background |
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| 19:01.17 | sigfoo | pgrep npomuk and pgrep akonadi-server don't give me anything, so I think not |
| 19:01.43 | BluesKaj | nepomuk akonadi-server |
| 19:02.14 | sigfoo | BluesKaj: Oops, typo. Yeah, still nothing |
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| 19:02.20 | greycat | If you're logged into a "desktop environment" of any kind, I'm sure there are lots of things happening. |
| 19:02.23 | BluesKaj | if you're a kde user only , sorry I should have mentioned that |
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| 19:02.31 | sigfoo | Nah, I'm not |
| 19:02.35 | BluesKaj | ok |
| 19:02.44 | sigfoo | In any case the processor wasn't consistently maxed out. It was just spiking quite frequently |
| 19:02.53 | sigfoo | Once every few seconds |
| 19:03.02 | BluesKaj | weird |
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| 19:03.21 | sigfoo | Yeah. I think this is a satisfactory solution thouhg |
| 19:03.46 | sigfoo | This processor is massive overkill for what is really a fairly light system. Everything still feels responsive even though I cut that freq limit in half |
| 19:03.53 | sigfoo | Could probably go even lower. I might |
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| 19:20.14 | choice | Is the php interactive shell broken in Debian 8? |
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| 19:20.37 | choice | When I execute "php -a" nothing happens, whatever i type into it. |
| 19:22.00 | choice | oh, sorry. it works on debian. |
| 19:22.09 | choice | for some reason, it does not work on mint. |
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| 19:38.31 | stack | hi, I have a xfs partition, to resize it without losing data should I do fdisk : delete and recreate the partition to the maximum size, then xfs_growfs -d partition ? |
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| 19:41.49 | greycat | I wouldn't even attempt that on a bare partition setup without LVM. |
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| 19:45.24 | stack | greycat: why? |
| 19:45.57 | greycat | LVM partitions are designed to be grown like that, without deleting and recreating |
| 19:46.15 | stack | greycat: yeah I know but this is what I have :) |
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| 19:47.14 | stack | greycat: if that procedure "usually works", it is fine for me in this case, it is a server that will "go live" in some days |
| 19:47.31 | stack | I can recreate the data but minimize the risk |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | I haven't a clue. |
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| 19:57.26 | newbieAlert | How can we access HW perdformance registers in linux ?? |
| 19:57.46 | choice | what are HW perdformance registeros? |
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| 20:08.56 | Behruz | Hello,is there any gui debian package for disabling unwanted services and applications from bieng start in system startup?my system is very slow from which X takes the control to when gnu starts |
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| 20:10.19 | Behruz | My default is gdm and my desktop is gnome |
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| 20:10.49 | greycat | You can disable the gdm (or gdm3) service if you don't want it. |
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| 20:11.12 | Behruz | From X black screen to the login screen takes about 45 sec |
| 20:11.20 | cdrage | what's the easiest way to have multi-node private networking with KVM, set up openvswitch on a private net on each host and use VLAN's? |
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| 20:14.12 | Behruz | greycat:does it because of gdm?than if i disable gdm i must login from tty0 and it takes me again to gdm |
| 20:14.45 | greycat | gdm *is* the GUI login thing. If you don't use gdm, you'll just login on a text console and run 'startx'. and that will take however long that takes. |
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| 20:20.44 | stack | greycat: I forgot to mention, it worked |
| 20:20.46 | buck1 | is ** a valid pattern in a debian/install file? |
| 20:20.51 | buck1 | i can't find the spec |
| 20:21.21 | Behruz | greycat:when i login with sudo startx,i login with root not user. |
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| 20:25.40 | Behruz | Sorry that was my miss i must type simple startx,i takes 30 seconds,and i don't control over wich desktop.thanks that works for me. |
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| 20:29.20 | torontoyes | greycat: are you aware of any issues with file monitoring for imap usin fam/gamin file system monitoring? |
| 20:29.35 | greycat | !ask |
| 20:29.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:30.39 | scwizard | This is strange. When I send mail to root it goes into /var/mail/mail |
| 20:30.42 | scwizard | instead of /var/mail/root |
| 20:30.55 | scwizard | if I create a symlink /var/mail/root pointing to /var/mail/mail then everything works perfect |
| 20:30.56 | greycat | sounds like you munged your /etc/aliases |
| 20:31.05 | scwizard | greycat: I haven't touched them! |
| 20:31.08 | scwizard | they're debian's default |
| 20:31.12 | torontoyes | I have a problem with fam/gamin file system monitoring using Debian 6 and Courier for mail transport. From time to time, the outlook mail client gets an error saying "filesystem notification initialization error" |
| 20:31.12 | greycat | well, check what root's alias is |
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| 20:31.33 | scwizard | greycat: http://pastie.org/10304860 |
| 20:31.38 | scwizard | greycat: that's my aliass file |
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| 20:31.45 | greycat | In the jessie installer, I believe it tries to set root's mail alias to the account you create during installation. |
| 20:31.58 | torontoyes | fam gamin is used for monitoring file changes to filesystem.. example, courier mail transport delivers mail to inbox |
| 20:32.00 | torontoyes | folder |
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| 20:32.23 | scwizard | greycat: bleh... i think whoever instealled this copy of debian deleted the account they created during the install |
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| 20:32.50 | scwizard | greycat: looking at that aliases file I pasted, how does it need to be changed to get shit to work? |
| 20:33.08 | greycat | are you not capable of reading a simple file... |
| 20:33.37 | scwizard | greycat: that's not it, it's that I read it and as far as I can tell from reading the file everything should be working normal |
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| 20:33.56 | greycat | looks like there ISN'T a root alias in there |
| 20:33.56 | scwizard | hmm |
| 20:34.00 | greycat | did you skip creating an account during the installer? |
| 20:34.35 | scwizard | greycat: i don't know I didn't install this. but if there isn't a root alias, then shouldn't email to root just go to root??? |
| 20:34.51 | greycat | scwizard: maybe not, who knows. Just add a "root: yourname" line and run newaliases. |
| 20:34.55 | scwizard | there's no an alias for "paul" but "paul" is still getting mail sent to "paul" |
| 20:35.05 | scwizard | greycat: so add a root: root? |
| 20:35.08 | greycat | NO |
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| 20:35.12 | scwizard | why not |
| 20:35.14 | greycat | root: ANYTHINGELSE |
| 20:35.15 | scwizard | i want root to get root's mail |
| 20:35.18 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:35.22 | scwizard | ??? |
| 20:35.25 | greycat | Obviously your MTA doesn't WANT that to happen. |
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| 20:35.43 | scwizard | that's confusing :< |
| 20:35.53 | greycat | If you want to override the basic safety precautions of your MTA, you will at least have to specify which MTA it is. |
| 20:36.00 | scwizard | hmm |
| 20:36.06 | scwizard | i'm gonna change up the mta I'm using rn anyway so |
| 20:36.11 | greycat | unless someone here just happens to know which MTA automagically aliases root to mail |
| 20:36.18 | scwizard | exim4 |
| 20:36.23 | scwizard | but i'm gonna install postfix today |
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| 20:37.20 | toxx | hi there |
| 20:37.52 | toxx | who can i verify the keyprints of the archive keys? |
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| 20:41.35 | pflanze | I'm looking for a way to proxy a virtual tty. What I want to do is open a rxvt terminal with the -ptx-fd option and pass it the fd to a pty, |
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| 20:42.00 | greycat | you're trying to implement your own version of tmux/screen? |
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| 20:42.07 | pflanze | but have the data travel over an ssh tunnel to a server where the other end is connected to a readline instance with a repl. |
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| 20:43.00 | pflanze | greycat, what I really want is to open repl (debugging) instances from within a server app, and have them open a rxvt terminal on my desktop for interaction. |
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| 20:43.21 | valdyn | pflanze: that sounds like screen or tmux |
| 20:43.45 | pflanze | Definitely not like screen, as in that case *you*'re the one opening an instance, not the server. |
| 20:43.46 | valdyn | pflanze: or if it doesnt then it sounds like a really bad idea |
| 20:43.53 | pflanze | Need to check what tmux is. |
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| 20:44.44 | pflanze | The server is multi-tasking, and I need to have a window for each instance that runs into an issue that needs debugging. |
| 20:44.56 | pflanze | So the server is the one to open a window for me, not me. |
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| 20:45.15 | valdyn | pflanze: this is supposed to scale up? |
| 20:45.40 | greycat | I suppose the server could ssh to your workstation, and have that ssh session find your $DISPLAY, launch an rxvt that sshes back to the server |
| 20:45.42 | pflanze | Have a limit of 5 or something then drop connections and log it. |
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| 20:45.56 | pflanze | valdyn, no problem really, I only run into a couple of them at a time. |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | pflanze: because if it is not, then you dont need this elaborate setup and if it is supposed to scale up, then the windows are to small anyway |
| 20:46.12 | jhutchins_wk | pflanze: If I were to do this manually, I would ssh to your desktop, then launch a vterm on your specific desktop. I would need the magic cookie setup so I could run programs on your desktop. |
| 20:46.48 | jhutchins_wk | pflanze: So instead of launching the vterm on :10 (which is where ssh usually ends up), I'd launch it on :0 |
| 20:47.00 | pflanze | valdyn, it's not supposed to scale up as I just said. |
| 20:47.13 | greycat | A slightly more sane solution would be for you to run a background task ON your workstation which listens for requests from the "server", and when it receives one, launch an rxvt you@server screen -x or whatever |
| 20:47.14 | pflanze | valdyn, and yet, how do you want to do it the other way round. |
| 20:47.33 | greycat | lost some words in there |
| 20:47.36 | pflanze | valdyn, the other way round you'd have to lock to prevent messing up each other instance. or what? |
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| 20:47.59 | pflanze | greycat, *exactly*. Now I need to proxy ttys. |
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| 20:48.06 | pflanze | That's where my question came in. |
| 20:48.09 | valdyn | pflanze: this sounds like a contrived example to me, but appearantly its not |
| 20:48.16 | greycat | I don't know what the hell that means. |
| 20:48.25 | greycat | Just ssh you@server screen -x -s sessionname |
| 20:48.41 | greycat | err -S |
| 20:48.47 | greycat | or something |
| 20:48.48 | pflanze | hum, not screen. Just launch an rxvt with a virtual tty. |
| 20:49.07 | greycat | my god why are you making this so godawfully HARD |
| 20:49.07 | pflanze | How am I going to connect the screen instance to the server. |
| 20:49.23 | valdyn | pflanze: screen runs on the server |
| 20:49.37 | pflanze | How am I making the server have a pty in every forked process from the start. |
| 20:49.38 | valdyn | pflanze: just connect to it to look at it |
| 20:50.16 | valdyn | pflanze: how do you work around the problem that your server processes will break as soon as they cannot pop up that window? |
| 20:50.36 | pflanze | It will just resume operation from where it called the repl. |
| 20:50.42 | pflanze | No problem at all. |
| 20:50.50 | pflanze | I'm not stupid guys. |
| 20:50.54 | greycat | server detects problem. server launches a screen session with a generated name. server contacts workstation and provides session name. workstations sshes to server and runs screen with that session name to attach to it. |
| 20:51.14 | pflanze | That's less elaborate? |
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| 20:51.38 | pflanze | launch a screen session with a generated name? |
| 20:52.02 | greycat | Compared to "write my own socket thing with pty-wossname", yes. |
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| 20:52.12 | valdyn | pflanze: can you tell us what the point of this thing is? |
| 20:52.24 | pflanze | To debug the app. |
| 20:52.39 | greycat | Why do you need more than one static session? |
| 20:52.57 | valdyn | pflanze: to debug? |
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| 20:53.26 | valdyn | i dont get it |
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| 20:54.08 | jhutchins_wk | pflanze: I guess the method I posted would open a vt that was local to your desktop, not to the server. |
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| 20:54.41 | buck1 | does debhelper enable ** globs? |
| 20:54.50 | pflanze | jhutchins_wk, how do you pass a pty filehandle to rxvt over the ssh connection? |
| 20:54.53 | quup | Hi, what does FTBS mean in the graph on reproducible builds? https://reproducible.debian.net/unstable/stats_pkg_state.png |
| 20:54.58 | quup | *FTBFS |
| 20:54.59 | greycat | Fails To Build from Source |
| 20:55.08 | quup | greycat: ah, thanks! |
| 20:55.17 | pflanze | jhutchins_wk, you still have the issue of proxying virtual terminals. I don't know how to do that, which was my question. |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | buck1: ** is a bash 4 ism |
| 20:55.26 | greycat | (or a zsh ism) |
| 20:55.30 | pflanze | I guess a remote serial port, something. |
| 20:55.38 | greycat | so if your script is #!/bin/sh then no globstar |
| 20:55.48 | greycat | if it's bash4 then you have to shopt -s globstar |
| 20:55.56 | jhutchins_wk | pflanze: I'm not sure how you would do that. It's a pretty advanced concept. Might be easier to just notify the desktop and let you open the debug session. |
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| 20:56.40 | buck1 | greycat: i'm trying to ask about the debian/*_install files |
| 20:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | pflanze: Sounds like greycat knows how. |
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| 20:57.02 | jhutchins_wk | Or not, he's answering buck1 |
| 20:57.13 | greycat | I don't know wehat language those are written in. If you HAVE one, read the shebang line. |
| 20:57.43 | buck1 | it's read in by debhelper. i suppose i'll just have to read it |
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| 20:58.06 | greycat | there's no shebang at all? |
| 20:58.10 | buck1 | no |
| 20:58.14 | greycat | is it like a Makefile? |
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| 20:58.17 | buck1 | no |
| 20:58.21 | buck1 | it's a list of patterns |
| 20:58.29 | buck1 | of the * ? [] variety |
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| 20:59.54 | buck1 | i belive you can make the .install files runnable but that's a newer development |
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| 21:00.58 | buck1 | yea i can't grok the perl: y:/:/:s;s:/+$::;s:^(\./)*::;"\Q$_\E\/.*|\Q$_\E"; |
| 21:01.27 | hexnewbie | buck1: If you turn your head sideways, that's perfectly readable |
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| 21:07.23 | Skyrider | weird.. |
| 21:07.26 | Skyrider | I installed vncserver |
| 21:07.39 | buck1 | totally weird |
| 21:07.42 | Skyrider | and now it says no .xsession" file in my home directory |
| 21:07.51 | Skyrider | remote screen is completely empty, gray. |
| 21:07.57 | buck1 | it's probably true |
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| 21:09.43 | jhutchins_wk | !vnc |
| 21:09.43 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 21:09.48 | tytyty | looking for help on changing my console font |
| 21:10.04 | buck1 | greycat: not sure if you care, but that file is apparently goverend by perl glob() ie http://perldoc.perl.org/File/Glob.html |
| 21:10.49 | greycat | buck1: ok |
| 21:10.59 | buck1 | tytyty: depends entirely on which terminal emulater you happen to be using, generally |
| 21:11.05 | buck1 | unless you mean the linux kernel console? |
| 21:11.18 | tytyty | I am accessing via SSH |
| 21:11.32 | buck1 | font is entirely a local-machine concern |
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| 21:12.12 | tytyty | well let me explain my problem - I cannot get extended ASCII to display |
| 21:12.28 | tytyty | I assume changing the font myight help but frankly I could be all wrong |
| 21:12.28 | buck1 | it's still dpends on which terminal emulater you're using |
| 21:12.33 | greycat | tytyty: are the client and server both Debian, or...? |
| 21:12.38 | buck1 | it's more likely to be an encoding issue |
| 21:12.51 | buck1 | tytyty: what terminal are you using |
| 21:13.00 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: Are you using a terminil within X or just a straight console? |
| 21:13.01 | buck1 | you need to figure that out |
| 21:13.04 | tytyty | client is PUTTY in Win XP: server is recent debian |
| 21:13.20 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: Your solution will be the putty configuration then. |
| 21:13.21 | greycat | Probably a locale issue. |
| 21:13.21 | hhmmm | falls over |
| 21:13.22 | buck1 | tytyty: you need to configure putty to use UTF-8 and make sure the server is using it |
| 21:13.34 | tytyty | DONE - didn't fix the issue |
| 21:13.43 | greycat | Oh, if putty CAN do utf-8, that'd be great... I don't know. |
| 21:13.45 | buck1 | tytyty: at any rate it's an issue of putty configuration, off topic for #debian |
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| 21:13.54 | buck1 | greycat: it can |
| 21:14.12 | hhmmm | what is extended ascii ? |
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| 21:14.16 | dcz | i have a bash script and i want to daemonize it, i found /etc/init.d/skeleton as an example and i changed the script , but it requires a binary not a script , how can i do this ? |
| 21:14.21 | buck1 | hhmmm: he means non-ascii |
| 21:14.25 | tytyty | buck1: every website says PUTTY is configured correctly |
| 21:14.36 | greycat | dcz: what version of Debian? |
| 21:14.42 | dcz | jessie |
| 21:14.49 | buck1 | curl --every-website -> your putty is configured correctly |
| 21:14.51 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: Did you start a new session? My copy of putty has pretty limited font options. |
| 21:14.53 | greycat | dcz: just write it as a systemd service instead. |
| 21:15.10 | dcz | i will also use it on ubuntu |
| 21:15.12 | greycat | it'll be like 100 times easier and it'll work better |
| 21:15.15 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: Your other option is to mess with the termcap file on the target system. |
| 21:15.18 | greycat | oh god. |
| 21:15.28 | greycat | dcz: you are on your own. I pity you. |
| 21:15.32 | buck1 | tytyty: on the remote end you want to set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 21:15.47 | greycat | writing boot scripts for cross-unix "portable" environment... bleh. |
| 21:15.51 | buck1 | or whatever your correct locale is. the .UTF-8 part is what i'm trying to show |
| 21:15.55 | dcz | what ? :D |
| 21:16.16 | greycat | unless ubuntu is also using systemd, or something equivalent, these days |
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| 21:16.36 | greycat | last I heard they were using some weird "upstart" or "startup" thing that only they uyse |
| 21:16.37 | buck1 | dcz: imo don't write any more daemonization code. use daemontools or runit |
| 21:16.55 | buck1 | greycat: i believe they're on systemd now too |
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| 21:17.14 | dcz | one moment |
| 21:17.52 | tytyty | buck1: debian stretch |
| 21:18.01 | buck1 | ? |
| 21:18.21 | tytyty | sorry you asked what version of Debian I had |
| 21:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: Under Window/Translation you can set the remote character set. |
| 21:18.27 | buck1 | tytyty: wasn't me |
| 21:18.27 | greycat | tytyty: the putty client and the Debian ssh session both need to agree on the character encoding portion of your locale (utf8 or whatever). |
| 21:18.42 | tytyty | both set to UTF-* |
| 21:18.50 | tytyty | UTF-8 |
| 21:18.51 | dcz | the script is like this http://hastebin.com/gizatudaxe.bash |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: My remote is UTF8, I have that set (it's the default) under window/translation and I have courrier set as the putty font. |
| 21:19.08 | tytyty | Same here |
| 21:19.40 | buck1 | tytyty: python -c 'print(b"\xc3\xa9")' |
| 21:19.40 | AlexPortable | if i install something with apt-get, where does it gets stored? |
| 21:19.45 | buck1 | should give é |
| 21:19.56 | buck1 | if you've set up UTF-8 |
| 21:20.16 | buck1 | AlexPortable: all over. dpkg -L <thatpackage> |
| 21:20.17 | tytyty | Yep - tried that days ago and I get the Euro symbol |
| 21:20.26 | buck1 | should give é |
| 21:20.37 | buck1 | then it's your output that's bogus |
| 21:20.53 | tytyty | but don't get the Euro when I run for((i=32;i<=255;i++)) do printf \\$(printf '%03o\t' "$i"); done;printf "\n" |
| 21:21.27 | buck1 | tytyty: you're mixing up latin1 and unicode |
| 21:21.28 | tytyty | Ahhh so what does "output" mean? Where do I turn next |
| 21:21.47 | tytyty | I knew I was screwed up somewhere! |
| 21:21.55 | AlexPortable | thx buck1 |
| 21:22.10 | buck1 | in latin1, character \xe9 (e with accent) is byte \xe9 |
| 21:22.21 | buck1 | in utf8 character e9 is \xc3\xa9 |
| 21:22.28 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: cygwin has some very nice features, including the ability to forward X programs to the local screen. |
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| 21:22.56 | tytyty | buck1: my problem is I don't have root access |
| 21:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | tytyty: I still use putty out of habit, but am gradually migrating toward cygwin for a more native feel. |
| 21:23.01 | buck1 | tytyty: uh no. |
| 21:23.15 | buck1 | it's that you don't understand encodings |
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| 21:23.38 | buck1 | everything is working right, you're just printing nonsense |
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| 21:24.43 | tytyty | buck1: I know I'm printing nonsense but I don't understand why or how to fix |
| 21:25.08 | tytyty | locale shows I'm using UTF-8 |
| 21:25.34 | buck1 | tytyty: what are you trying to use unicode for |
| 21:25.41 | buck1 | you either need to learn to type those non-ascii characters |
| 21:25.44 | buck1 | or copy-paste them |
| 21:25.47 | buck1 | a for loop isn't going to cut it |
| 21:26.25 | tytyty | Sorry - I'm using rTorrent-pyro which uses the extended ASCII characters - which are showing as boxes to me |
| 21:26.46 | tytyty | I'm not trying to display anything directly myself |
| 21:26.57 | buck1 | tytyty: it seems likely that they've used latin1 encoding while everything is expecting utf8 |
| 21:27.04 | buck1 | you'll want to rename them to utf8 |
| 21:27.08 | buck1 | as to how... |
| 21:27.29 | buck1 | i'd do it in python but maybe there's a more unixy way |
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| 21:28.04 | tytyty | Why does the python Euro print correctly but others don't? |
| 21:28.35 | tytyty | Or, maybe I should ask - how does python do it? |
| 21:28.57 | buck1 | python doesn't do it, but i can do it in python fairly easily |
| 21:29.03 | buck1 | going to give you ascript one sec |
| 21:29.20 | buck1 | tytyty: because it's utf8 |
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| 21:29.50 | buck1 | python helpfully detects your terminal encoding and uses it to print unicode |
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| 21:30.27 | tytyty | can I use python to simply detect my terminal encoding and tell me what it is? |
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| 21:31.14 | buck1 | yes. |
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| 21:32.02 | tytyty | Well, I can probably figure that out on my own - I needed the hint of what to look for. |
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| 21:32.22 | buck1 | tytyty: we can talk more on #python |
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| 21:34.24 | tytyty | buck1: I want to learn so let see if I can figure this out and fail before I bug you anymore - I've spend tens of hours on this over the last 6 months so another hour is no big deal |
| 21:35.30 | esther | hello |
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| 21:36.16 | buck1 | Tytyty: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4iUZAaV4WAryh9w2ISMR/ |
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| 21:39.49 | tytyty | buck1: thanks - I'll play around |
| 21:40.21 | buck1 | tytyty: final answer http://paste.pound-python.org/show/6dwv12dgXbjAy26v46kp/ |
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| 21:42.19 | dsockwell | I have a pair of Wheezy machines with root on zfs on top of LUKS/dm-crypt. As per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/encryptedZfs I have a line in fstab '/dev/mapper/root_crypt zfs defaults 0 0'. I am told this makes the cryptsetup script in initramfs go. |
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| 21:42.54 | dsockwell | since a few months ago, grub is taking that line to mean it should write root=/dev/mapper/root_crypt to my kernel command line instead of the zfs directives |
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| 21:43.06 | dsockwell | do I really need that line for cryptroot in initramfs? |
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| 21:45.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | dsockwell, yes, you also need an entry in /etc/crypttab IIRC |
| 21:46.10 | dsockwell | ok |
| 21:46.24 | dsockwell | i just found the hook on my system too |
| 21:46.54 | dsockwell | do you think it would be better to modify crypttab or modify the grub scripts? |
| 21:47.03 | dsockwell | er |
| 21:47.06 | dsockwell | cryptroot |
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| 21:47.24 | dsockwell | i think i answered my question - cryptroot works fine |
| 21:47.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | dsockwell, I'm not sure what your problem is... what ZFS directives do you expect? |
| 21:47.32 | dsockwell | it's grub that is mangling my kernel command line |
| 21:48.44 | dsockwell | i expected 'boot=zfs bootfs=rpool/ROOT/debian' |
| 21:48.52 | dsockwell | i got 'root=/dev/mapper/root_crypt' |
| 21:49.45 | dsockwell | but i think i have all my answers for the moment at least |
| 21:49.56 | dsockwell | obv a grub problem not a cryptroot problem |
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| 21:53.27 | giuseppe_ | hello jazz |
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| 21:53.54 | c0fe3 | in russia 911 is 11K |
| 21:53.55 | c0fe3 | :D |
| 21:54.14 | giuseppe_ | is there a way i can see which services/programs are run when i boot my PC ?i want to know what it is actually starting nm-applet, or wifi autoconnecting |
| 21:54.42 | c0fe3 | well 11к |
| 21:55.02 | giuseppe_ | how do you type the K ? |
| 21:55.28 | c0fe3 | keypad as it is here |
| 21:55.38 | hexnewbie | And in the USA, 11 Kelvin is a cause for a 911 call. |
| 21:55.41 | c0fe3 | just they use K instead of the number |
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| 21:55.54 | masterkorp | hello fellow debianners |
| 21:55.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's the Greek kappa, at first look. |
| 21:56.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er, or Cyrillic. :) |
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| 21:57.27 | rainfyre | heya masterkorp |
| 21:57.47 | masterkorp | rainfyre: o/ |
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| 22:07.28 | LtL | can anyone recommend a nvidia pciEx16 video card that works out of the box on jessie? |
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| 22:08.44 | LtL | or a AMD/ATI PCIE card? |
| 22:10.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | LtL, pretty much anything should work these days, unless it's really new stuff |
| 22:10.49 | LtL | Eduard_Munteanu: i'm not familiar with nvidia, can you give me a rough range of model numbers? |
| 22:11.19 | LtL | its hard to find 'old'~ actually |
| 22:11.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | LtL, see http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ |
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| 22:11.53 | LtL | Eduard_Munteanu: okay thanks man |
| 22:11.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ for ATI/AMD |
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| 22:43.23 | dsockwell | Eduard_Munteanu: i found the problem, it's my derived key device polluting grub |
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| 23:06.05 | rainfyre | chuongv: the sound app on your mac freezes or virtualbox on your mac freezes? this sounds like a mac issue, not debian. |
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| 23:07.09 | c0fe3 | there's your problem! |
| 23:07.11 | c0fe3 | it is a mac! |
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| 23:08.45 | rainfyre | i think that's where i'd start ... |
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| 23:12.26 | chuongv | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.41 | chuongv | hmm |
| 23:13.25 | head8debian | What is the "sound recorder app"? |
| 23:13.27 | chuongv | also doing âarecord -d 10 /tmp/test-mic.wavâ |
| 23:13.31 | rainfyre | it would help mor if you mention the exact program you mean, I don't know if anyone's going to know what you mean by "sound recorder app" |
| 23:13.33 | chuongv | on the terminal doesnât stop |
| 23:13.58 | chuongv | sorry, the default âsound recorder app" |
| 23:14.07 | abrotman | in what? |
| 23:14.13 | chuongv | that comes with debian |
| 23:14.22 | head8debian | chuongv: What Desktop enviroment? |
| 23:14.33 | head8debian | Every DE uses a diferent one. |
| 23:14.36 | rainfyre | debian's different than other OS's, we need to know which DE you're using too. |
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| 23:15.04 | chuongv | gnome |
| 23:16.45 | chuongv | so here is the sound recorder app in the background, and the terminal that shows the recorder runs on forever http://i.snag.gy/GgcjI.jpg |
| 23:17.08 | chuongv | happens even if Iâm not running them both at the same time of course :) |
| 23:17.16 | chuongv | feel like I must be missing something stupid |
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| 23:17.44 | rainfyre | lol i always feel that way and i'm usually right ... |
| 23:18.24 | head8debian | :) |
| 23:18.28 | head8debian | Same here. |
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| 23:24.32 | rainfyre | chuongv: so you're launching the recorder app from the terminal? |
| 23:25.08 | chuongv | rainfyre: I was just showing I tried two different ways. 1. Recording sound from terminal (never exits) 2. Recording from the Gnome Sound Recorder |
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| 23:26.20 | rainfyre | chuongv: i wish I could help a little more. I'm not sitting at a debian box at the moment. have you tried "man arecord" and reading the documentation > |
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| 23:26.56 | chuongv | no worries, thanks for trying to help :). Iâll try that out |
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| 23:28.09 | rainfyre | chuongv: not sure what the -d 10 argument is. you could also try "arecord -d 10 /tmp/test-mic.wav &" just for the heck of it. the "&" makes it run in the background. |
| 23:28.23 | rainfyre | chuongv: kinda shooting in the dark here, sorry |
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| 23:29.55 | chuongv | the -d is duration |
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| 23:30.54 | rainfyre | chuongv: i can't read that manpage, is it supposed to be 10s or anything? shucks. |
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| 23:31.12 | chuongv | yea it could be anything, -d <numberofseconds> |
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| 23:32.01 | chuongv | I just donât think my microphone is working through the virtualbox |
| 23:32.08 | rainfyre | chuongv: I wonder if it's just that virtualbox can't see and use the sound recorder on your mac. |
| 23:32.18 | rainfyre | chuongv: ugh. i mean the microphone. |
| 23:32.29 | chuongv | it sees the input devices but itâs not registering any sound from the microphone, since the input levels are not moving |
| 23:33.07 | chuongv | anyways, I have to go, Iâll brb later thanks for the help! |
| 23:33.13 | rainfyre | ok, tc :) |
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| 23:49.03 | LtL | Eduard_Munteanu: just bought a geforce 750 Ti thanks to your help links, many thanks |
| 23:49.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sure, no problem. |
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