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| 00:22.26 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... i'm using a GNU/Linux cli program and can't understand why even if i put it in background with a & symbol at the end when i launch it... it still prints the output on screen...is it possible to print it on terminal only when i put the process in foreground ? |
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| 00:23.20 | SynrG | giuseppe_: you need to redirect output to a log or to /dev/null explicitly |
| 00:23.28 | SynrG | backgrounding it doesn't change where output goes |
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| 00:24.41 | SynrG | e.g. xev &> xev.log & |
| 00:24.45 | ElTimo | giuseppe_, run your command with >/dev/null at the end. |
| 00:24.57 | SynrG | or (and this would be strange, because it defeats the purpose of it ;) xev &> /dev/null & |
| 00:24.58 | ElTimo | Only thing with that is that you'll never get output ever. |
| 00:25.16 | SynrG | &> redirects both stderr *and* stdout |
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| 00:25.42 | SynrG | if you only have >/dev/null that would not redirect stderr |
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| 00:26.24 | SynrG | &>/dev/null is equivalent to >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 00:36.22 | StarRain | hi there, i need help about pgtclsh on Jessi |
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| 00:37.03 | StarRain | i try to install it and it make me an error Makefile:260: recipe for target 'pgtclsh' failed , when im on the make step |
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| 00:37.32 | StarRain | the configure doing well, but i have this trouble there .. |
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| 00:56.58 | eipp0inter | anyone nows where is a bug free sis671 video driver source code? |
| 00:57.15 | eipp0inter | to work with jessie.. |
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| 01:00.16 | ElTimo | >bug free |
| 01:00.18 | ElTimo | >Linux |
| 01:00.59 | eipp0inter | cheese |
| 01:01.01 | eipp0inter | onions |
| 01:01.11 | eipp0inter | anyone care to tell more 2 words? |
| 01:01.18 | ElTimo | All I'm saying is that the two don't normally go hand in hand. |
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| 01:01.46 | ElTimo | Also, sis is still around? |
| 01:01.51 | eipp0inter | yes |
| 01:01.54 | eipp0inter | on my laptop |
| 01:01.59 | ElTimo | Oh, older chip? |
| 01:02.11 | eipp0inter | 671 |
| 01:02.18 | eipp0inter | lovelly crap |
| 01:02.44 | ElTimo | Hah. I don't think I've ever gotten a SiS card to work properly. |
| 01:02.52 | ElTimo | What's it doing, though? |
| 01:02.59 | eipp0inter | compiled a source to wheezy, perfect.. but jessie comes and broke abi |
| 01:03.30 | StarRain | i have the same trouble with: Makefile:260: recipe for target 'pgtclsh' failed , when im on the make step |
| 01:03.54 | eipp0inter | so.. i manage to find another source, compiled again to the new xorg and such.. but X keeps restarting |
| 01:04.02 | StarRain | the configure work well, and the make alwais die on that |
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| 01:05.31 | eipp0inter | i found in some site a work around to the configure errors, managed to put src folder of new driver on old directory tree of the older source code |
| 01:05.37 | JohnnyonFlame | Hello there, quickie, I'm doing a lil' experiment here, but after some investigation ive hit a wall here. how does initrd setup aufs in the livecd? |
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| 01:06.22 | ElTimo | eipp0inter, Have you tried apt-get source? |
| 01:06.28 | ElTimo | Or is it not in the repos? |
| 01:06.28 | JohnnyonFlame | I see it pipes "aufs / aufs rw 0 0" into fstab, but I dont quite understand how that joins the ram disk and the loopmount into / |
| 01:06.41 | eipp0inter | not in rep... closed source |
| 01:06.47 | eipp0inter | not in non-free either |
| 01:06.58 | ElTimo | Weak. |
| 01:07.10 | eipp0inter | xserver-xorg-video-sis doesnt do any good too |
| 01:07.29 | ElTimo | Ugh. Wayland can't get here soon enough. |
| 01:08.25 | eipp0inter | it is a shitty piece of hardware.. but I like this laptop... as long as it runs.. |
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| 01:10.14 | eipp0inter | I guess I will be on wheezy until some maintainer responsible for graphics finds himself sympathetic to the sis cause.. |
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| 01:11.21 | eipp0inter | tryed fedora 22, latest arch.. |
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| 01:13.32 | TJ- | eipp0inter: SIS has been a lost cause for a very long time; never had decent Linux support even when the chipset drivers were being maintained |
| 01:13.43 | eipp0inter | JohnnyonFlame, I found this - http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2013/05/linux-aufs/ |
| 01:15.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | i have a problem with mate-panel.... it is using 100% of my cpu and currently 4.2gb of ram |
| 01:15.46 | eipp0inter | TJ-, I've managed to get it work perfectly on wheezy.. I was thrilled when my old laptop gained new life with a decent OS and DM (xfce 12) |
| 01:16.11 | eipp0inter | so.. I have hope I guess |
| 01:17.00 | eipp0inter | still trying to find anything to tweak on source code... I now that will be hard as I will have to adapt code to the new ABI |
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| 01:19.01 | eipp0inter | Burger, have you considered using XFCE |
| 01:19.09 | JohnnyonFlame | eipp0inter: thanks, I found that page a while ago, but I still dont understand how "aufs / aufs rw 0 0" somehow mounts it all correctly |
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| 01:22.42 | eipp0inter | is that on your fstab? |
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| 01:23.32 | giuseppe_ | do somebody here know some good virtual machine software to emulate windows/other GNU linux systems ? |
| 01:23.50 | eipp0inter | virtualbox? |
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| 01:24.07 | centrx | virtualbox |
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| 01:26.02 | giuseppe_ | isn't it proprietary ? |
| 01:26.32 | lman | giuseppe_: apt-get install virt-manager |
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| 01:26.53 | lman | it uses KVM, 100% open source |
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| 01:28.43 | eipp0inter | JohnnyonFlame, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81959/how-to-mount-aufs-file-system-on-boot-in-archlinux |
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| 01:34.17 | giuseppe_ | which are the best drivers actually on linux... ati or nvidia ? |
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| 01:40.28 | eipp0inter | before or after MS buys AMD? |
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| 01:44.04 | dukestyx | Hi, could anyone advise me to the best channel for discussing trying to kill nouveau off? |
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| 01:44.20 | dukestyx | Just can't get these nvidia drivers to play for the life of me. |
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| 01:48.32 | Debbix | Hi, is it possible to install JDK 8 on Wheezy ? |
| 01:48.58 | equa | dukestyx: do you want to blacklist nouveau? what does kill nouveau mean? do you need help installing the nvidia driver? |
| 01:49.49 | giuseppe_ | ok i tried to run system rescue cd from virt-manager and it says no screens found when itry to do a startx... what could be ? |
| 01:50.00 | dukestyx | equa: essentially hte nvidia driver install fails (manual install) as it's detecting nouveau is in use, and i've run out of ideas. |
| 01:50.23 | equa | dukestyx: are you using jessie ? |
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| 01:53.32 | dukestyx | equa: yes, just trying to improve the performance with the nvidia manual drivers |
| 01:53.47 | squinty | dukestyx, are you installing the drivers from the repo's? that is how you should be installing them |
| 01:54.35 | dukestyx | equa: would there be a suffient improvement in installing them direct from nvidia or is the difference negligable these days? |
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| 01:55.12 | equa | dukestyx: i installed both. wasn't much improvement for me |
| 01:55.34 | equa | dukestyx: it's best to use the one from debian repo though. saves you from recompling each time they update the kernel |
| 01:56.03 | dukestyx | equa: ok thanks. In which case i'll probably start a fresh install now as i've been tweaking this for hours and have probably borked something somewhere. Old habits with regards to the nvidia .run :) |
| 01:56.44 | equa | dukestyx: you just need to blacklist nouveau, then start it without x. then install. but yeah, use debian repo, if u need help just ask |
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| 01:57.44 | dukestyx | see i've tried blacklisting nouveau by adding it to modprobe, and in the grub startup options. It. just. won't. die. I'm missing something i know it. Like an itch. |
| 01:58.13 | equa | dukestyx: go with the debian way and save yourself the trouble. it's not even worth it |
| 01:58.57 | squinty | equa, seeing as how he posted the same question in #ubuntu, he may not be running debian |
| 01:59.05 | dukestyx | equa: yeah might have to resign myself on this one |
| 01:59.23 | dukestyx | squinty: actually I asked in 3 channels. fastest fingers first and all. |
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| 01:59.47 | eipp0inter | try to alter xorg.conf and set another driver to work with... nv |
| 01:59.55 | dukestyx | squinty: you'll be keen to note they're all debian variants. |
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| 02:00.58 | Debbix | Cant find any working method on google to install jdk 8 on Wheezy 64 bit, any help ? |
| 02:01.04 | squinty | dukestyx, mature up please. quite well aware as I run both (amongst others ) end of discussion as far as I am concerned |
| 02:01.04 | equa | !debian based |
| 02:01.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 02:07.05 | dukestyx | equa: thanks for your help. Goodnight. Squinty: Don't you dare punish me for seeking alternative sources for help. You're the problem not the solution. |
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| 02:11.20 | StarRain | any doccumentation on this error? http://pastebin.com/eDanFycD |
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| 02:31.34 | Epakai | StarRain: i'd guess you don't have tcl-dev installed |
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| 02:34.52 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: are you trying to install jdk8? |
| 02:35.51 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: yes |
| 02:36.44 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: check it out http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
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| 02:38.24 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: i saw that link but is it safe ? |
| 02:39.06 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: also there is newer version of the jdk , can i update their script ? |
| 02:39.20 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: don't know. I do have installed it and works fine. |
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| 02:40.38 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: You can get the versions of the repository |
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| 02:43.11 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: im not so good at debian. if i have the jdk files , why cant i just install it in my PC ? is it hard to do what the site says manually ? |
| 02:44.42 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: isn't hard to do. You need to download it from the oracle page and execute it, or follow the instructions on that page. |
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| 02:48.38 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: in tutorial its version : 1.8.0_31 , but it's now 1.8.0_51 . Any way to install the new one from that tut ? |
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| 02:51.30 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: the tutorial is about installing jdk from a reposiry. Right now is in version "1.8.0_45". I think there is no way to get 1.8.0_51 from that repository, but you can download it from oracle |
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| 02:53.03 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: already have it, i put it in required directories, i update the environment variable , but when i check java -version , i see the old version. |
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| 02:53.52 | Debbix | one article says put it in /opt/java , the other says put in /urs/lib/java , both didnt work as the above one did. |
| 02:55.19 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/install/linux_jdk.html#BJFJJEFG |
| 02:56.02 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: I don't know about the article you are reading from. |
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| 02:58.16 | Debbix | bieyeik2aX2: ok, oracle site only explains unzipping the downloaded zip file. does that what installation mean ? |
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| 03:00.41 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: if you downloaded the file from oracle, yes. |
| 03:01.18 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: For me is more simple to follow this instructions http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html |
| 03:02.01 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: to set java environment variables just put: apt-get install oracle-java8-set-default. Done! :D |
| 03:02.33 | bieyeik2aX2 | Debbix: brb |
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| 03:03.56 | BurgerIsFreedom | why is there no C compiler in my debian 8.1 install from dvd1? *cries* |
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| 03:09.37 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: you tried apt instal gcc? |
| 03:09.42 | equa | *install |
| 03:10.48 | BurgerIsFreedom | equa, yeah but I haven't got my dns server functioning yet so.... heh |
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| 03:11.41 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: are you on jessie? |
| 03:11.47 | BurgerIsFreedom | yes |
| 03:12.05 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc |
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| 03:12.21 | equa | put it on an usb stick or any other media |
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| 03:13.46 | BurgerIsFreedom | ok that's easier than compiling from source |
| 03:13.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | much appreciated |
| 03:13.59 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: np :D |
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| 03:42.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | .........eh................. |
| 03:43.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | it needs a bunch of dependencies too |
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| 03:46.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | out of curiousity |
| 03:47.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | why is it that most linux distros ship with a default "all allowed, in/out" firewall setup? |
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| 03:48.38 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: so you can set it up the way you want it. |
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| 03:49.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah but wouldn't it be... ...more secure... ...to ship it with "block all, in/out"? or at least "block all, in"? |
| 03:50.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | i understand the usability aspect.... but.... |
| 03:50.14 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: that will also create confusion for new people coming over to linux |
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| 03:50.31 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: why isn't my xxx working |
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| 03:50.49 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah but that already exists |
| 03:51.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | equa: why can't I use my .exe file? |
| 03:51.17 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: no matter what the default is, ppl will complain |
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| 03:51.40 | bazhang | exe is for windows BurgerIsFreedom |
| 03:51.50 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: like if they install a software and didn't know about the firewall... it's blocking the port. they will get confused |
| 03:52.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | bazhang, much appreciated. |
| 03:52.17 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: obligatory https://github.com/abenson/hostfw |
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| 03:54.37 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: based on a script we used at work. I couldn't use it for personal projects, so I wrote my own; ended up replacing the script from work |
| 03:55.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah I already have a script of my own in rcS.d, and a backup script, in case the primary one gets corrupted |
| 03:56.26 | BurgerIsFreedom | anyway, I have a pressing issue here |
| 03:56.59 | aedinius | I have a custom task for systemd that just iptables -S < /etc/network/iptables |
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| 03:57.15 | aedinius | well iptables-restore< |
| 03:57.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | i haven't figured out systemd process management yet |
| 03:58.02 | phiPPs | q |
| 03:58.09 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: man systemctl |
| 03:58.20 | aedinius | I like systemd :| |
| 03:59.02 | BurgerIsFreedom | equa, will check that man page out shortly. thanks. |
| 04:00.43 | BurgerIsFreedom | now my current issue.... apt-get is telling me I need to insert the disk labeled "Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20150606-14:19", and all I have is a USB which comes labelled "Debian 8.1.0 amd64 1". I tried to make an "ln -s" to it, but ln didn't like the / in the name |
| 04:01.16 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: Is this standalone or can it be connected to the interwebs? |
| 04:01.39 | bazhang | check the sources.list |
| 04:01.47 | bazhang | see if the dvd is there |
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| 04:02.12 | BurgerIsFreedom | aedinius, it is connected to the series of tubes that makes up the interwebs, but it doesn't have a functioning dns server yet, so it can't look up the repositories |
| 04:02.44 | aedinius | So, give it a working DNS server? |
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| 04:03.18 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah but I can't use "make" yet because I don't have a c compiler, and I can't install gcc because I don't have a whole list of dependencies lol |
| 04:03.37 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: best to setup a dhcp server and use it while setting up the machine |
| 04:04.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | equa, but I don't like to configure network connections before I configure my firewall |
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| 04:04.09 | aedinius | I don't see how that's relevant. Give it a DNS server of 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 |
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| 04:05.01 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: setting up iptables is my first or 2nd thing after the system is up |
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| 04:05.34 | aedinius | It's not hard to limit outbound to udp/53 to a known dns server |
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| 04:07.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | ok... but... I don't even think I have a dns client installed |
| 04:07.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | what would be the default client? |
| 04:07.28 | class-less | dns client? |
| 04:07.32 | aedinius | eh? |
| 04:07.58 | aedinius | dns should be built into the system |
| 04:07.58 | BurgerIsFreedom | hmm.... I've got dnsmasq |
| 04:08.14 | class-less | If you are using DHCP it sets up the DNS info for you automatically in most cases |
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| 04:08.23 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, there is no such thing |
| 04:08.28 | aedinius | DNS client is built into the kernel |
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| 04:09.28 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 04:09.42 | class-less | BIND is a common DNS server. But that's for setting up zones and the appropriate records |
| 04:10.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | bazhang, just wait. i will try to setup the dvd as a source in sources.list momentarily |
| 04:10.37 | bazhang | he's just going from issue to issue, without actually answering any questions |
| 04:10.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah |
| 04:10.54 | BurgerIsFreedom | I'm going to check my resolver configuration |
| 04:10.57 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, dont do that |
| 04:11.17 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, the sources.list now, not after a change |
| 04:11.30 | BurgerIsFreedom | sources.list: (blank) |
| 04:11.50 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, in /etc/apt/ |
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| 04:13.51 | fender0107401 | Hi all, I have installed a new system, and I got one problem. This laptop have two video card, so which one I am using? |
| 04:14.14 | equa | fender0107401: check the log. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:14.30 | aedinius | deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 04:14.30 | aedinius | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 04:15.20 | aedinius | fender0107401: Optimus? |
| 04:15.32 | fender0107401 | I did, the log show a lot of things about intel. |
| 04:15.49 | fender0107401 | so, how can I switch that to ATI card? |
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| 04:16.26 | BurgerIsFreedom | bazhang, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/cb46b616 |
| 04:16.43 | fender0107401 | I hate that, why people put two video car in one system... |
| 04:16.56 | BurgerIsFreedom | fender0107401, to mine bitcoins faster |
| 04:17.20 | BurgerIsFreedom | fender0107401, or to save battery life (integrated card) |
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| 04:18.32 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: Just change the first to an actual debian mirror. And what's with the itunes and MS lines? I didn't realize they had any packages. |
| 04:19.10 | BurgerIsFreedom | aedinius, the ignore the last four |
| 04:19.16 | class-less | Honestly there are so many people using large server farms to mine bitcoins that a desktop/laptop system is almost a waste of time |
| 04:19.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | class-less, dogecoins |
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| 04:19.49 | BurgerIsFreedom | aedinius, I am still working on getting my dns functioning |
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| 04:20.28 | aedinius | BurgerIsFreedom: Have you configured /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 04:20.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | aedinius, about to do that now |
| 04:20.55 | aedinius | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:21.10 | aedinius | That should do you fine until you get everything up and running. |
| 04:21.14 | aedinius | I still use it as a backup |
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| 04:21.58 | AlexLikeRock | what its "!debian-mips" ? |
| 04:22.22 | BurgerIsFreedom | aedinius, that's what i'll do. eventually I will set it up with redundant dnscrypt servers and unbound as a cache. |
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| 04:28.06 | BurgerIsFreedom | once I update resolve.conf.... how do I implement the change? |
| 04:28.10 | BurgerIsFreedom | without restarting |
| 04:28.20 | BurgerIsFreedom | without restarting the system |
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| 04:28.42 | s4ndm4n | BurgerIsFreedom: Restart the service? |
| 04:28.54 | BurgerIsFreedom | s4ndm4n, what service? networkmanager? |
| 04:29.17 | s4ndm4n | BurgerIsFreedom: Yes |
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| 04:29.23 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: systemctl restart networking.service |
| 04:29.41 | BurgerIsFreedom | ah, equa, that's why I need to read man systemctl |
| 04:29.44 | s4ndm4n | You should restart networking.service too. |
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| 04:29.55 | s4ndm4n | Oh equa stated it already. :) |
| 04:30.00 | equa | BurgerIsFreedom: it helps if you know how to navigate :D |
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| 04:30.54 | aedinius | uh |
| 04:30.54 | aedinius | k |
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| 04:39.31 | AlexLikeRock | Snoppy, the kernel control EVERITING |
| 04:39.45 | AlexLikeRock | ****everything |
| 04:40.40 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: It may manage everything, but I'm sure I get get dual monitor without having to use 4.x |
| 04:41.12 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: Thing is I have my second monitor connected to my motherboard, not my video card. |
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| 04:42.36 | AlexLikeRock | Snoppy, , intall new kernel |
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| 04:43.05 | AlexLikeRock | or, open |
| 04:43.17 | AlexLikeRock | at terminal : display-properties |
| 04:43.26 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: That would make things more complex than they have to be. I know it can work because I have done it in slackware. |
| 04:43.29 | AlexLikeRock | what desktop you have ? |
| 04:43.34 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: KDE |
| 04:43.36 | AlexLikeRock | kde . gnome , xfce ? |
| 04:43.43 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: KDE |
| 04:43.58 | AlexLikeRock | open panel control |
| 04:44.02 | AlexLikeRock | settings |
| 04:44.09 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: Alright |
| 04:45.08 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: On all my other distros the monitor was atleast showed up in arandr. |
| 04:45.38 | AlexLikeRock | search this http://i.stack.imgur.com/D6tLL.png |
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| 04:46.17 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: I have been in that panel, my HDMI is not recoginzed. |
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| 04:46.34 | AlexLikeRock | because, other distros they hace *news kernel * |
| 04:46.48 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: I have always used the longterm builds |
| 04:47.03 | AlexLikeRock | do you found ? |
| 04:47.08 | AlexLikeRock | at serttings? |
| 04:47.20 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: Yes I did, there is only one monitor. |
| 04:47.29 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: The second is not recognized. |
| 04:47.48 | AlexLikeRock | ok, i dont now |
| 04:48.00 | AlexLikeRock | isntall , new kernel , if not detec |
| 04:48.13 | AlexLikeRock | debian , not use PRIVACI DRIVER |
| 04:48.27 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: Thanks for the help. The kernel would not help in this situation though. |
| 04:48.45 | AlexLikeRock | if you need suport for you DEVICE , wit free fortware, you must wait more |
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| 04:48.54 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.07 | AlexLikeRock | Snoppy, I waited a year to control the audio outputs of my sound Realteck |
| 04:50.34 | AlexLikeRock | my video , work, whit kernel 3.2 |
| 04:50.55 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: I have support for my intel drivers, I just don't know how to get everything working on Debian. |
| 04:50.57 | AlexLikeRock | 3.4 to 3.16 . FAILL |
| 04:51.05 | AlexLikeRock | 4.0 WORK AGAIN |
| 04:51.24 | Snoppy | AlexLikeRock: It may have worked for you, but that does not mean it will for me. |
| 04:52.34 | AlexLikeRock | i try to explain, some versions , falied |
| 04:52.47 | AlexLikeRock | you mus try with other kernel version |
| 04:53.05 | AlexLikeRock | 2.6 , 3.2 or 4.0 |
| 04:53.12 | AlexLikeRock | good luck |
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| 05:31.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | so i am having issues getting my dns to resolve |
| 05:32.08 | BurgerIsFreedom | it may or may not be firewall related |
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| 05:32.49 | BurgerIsFreedom | now, is there any simple way to get iptables to log dropped connections (only dropped connections), without doubling the amount of rules in my iptables script? |
| 05:33.21 | rselon | BurgerIsFreedom: a log rule right before the final DROP? |
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| 05:34.18 | BurgerIsFreedom | hmm.. my script doesn't have a single "final drop"... let me re-evaluate my script and see if that is do-able |
| 05:34.50 | rselon | BurgerIsFreedom: you usualy put a drop everything at the end of the rules unless you are doing something very specific |
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| 05:37.38 | msn | or unless you specify a input drop policy which is a bad idea |
| 05:37.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | see, what I did, is I dropped everything by default ( "iptables -P OUTPUT DROP" ) right at the top |
| 05:37.59 | msn | output drop is for outgoing is that what you wnat/ |
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| 05:38.25 | BurgerIsFreedom | alright... I have a fair amount of work ahead of me re-doing this script |
| 05:38.43 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah, I've always dropped inputs/outputs/forwards by default, then specified allowed connections |
| 05:38.44 | msn | unless you have somone behind the firewall you are worried about accessing something you don't want output can be left as is |
| 05:39.00 | rselon | msn: why is it a bad idea to set drop as a default policy? |
| 05:39.17 | BurgerIsFreedom | rselon, well for one thing, it makes logging difficult |
| 05:39.19 | msn | if you ever by mistake flush the iptables remotely you are locked out |
| 05:39.34 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, yeah I'm not using a remote system here |
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| 05:40.06 | msn | rselon: an input drop rule is better than input policy drop rule |
| 05:40.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | so is there any easy logging method for systems setup with a default drop? or should I re-do it? |
| 05:40.13 | msn | i have been there a few times its not pretty |
| 05:40.58 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: you wouldnt want to log eveyrthing anyway just waht's coming from the external interface unless you don't trust your users behind the firewall |
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| 05:41.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, i need to log drops so that I can figure out what is wrong when I accidentally block an outgoing connection that I didn't want to |
| 05:42.14 | msn | -A <INPUT/OUTPUT/FORwarD> -i <interface> -j LOG |
| 05:42.20 | msn | just before your final drop rule |
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| 05:42.31 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, my system is being setup with anonymity in mind, so I need to block external connections from specific interfaces except for specified purposes, etc |
| 05:42.56 | msn | forexample if you want to monitor outgoing drops |
| 05:43.14 | msn | -A OUTPUT -i <external interface> -j LOG |
| 05:43.19 | msn | -A OUTPUT -j DROP |
| 05:43.29 | msn | and before the log rule you can put all the allows |
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| 05:43.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | hmm |
| 05:44.29 | BurgerIsFreedom | ok I've actually already got that |
| 05:44.31 | BurgerIsFreedom | lol |
| 05:44.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | but |
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| 05:44.56 | BurgerIsFreedom | i also have drop rules scattered throughout the script |
| 05:45.19 | BurgerIsFreedom | for example: |
| 05:45.37 | msn | if you have a final drop rule then you just create allow rules and no other drops |
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| 05:45.57 | msn | its like creating a wall and then punching holes to allow some water to go through |
| 05:46.13 | BurgerIsFreedom | -A OUTPUT -o lo -m owner --uid-owner palemoon-1 -p udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:46.21 | msn | the otehr drop rules are redundant if you have a final drop |
| 05:46.42 | BurgerIsFreedom | -A OUTPUT -o lo -m owner --uid-owner palemoon-1 -j DROP |
| 05:46.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | then -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT |
| 05:46.57 | msn | you are blcoking traffic on lookpack? |
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| 05:47.19 | msn | anyway |
| 05:47.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | this is an example of a drop that is higher up in my code, and yes, I am blocking some traffic in loopback from some users |
| 05:47.41 | BurgerIsFreedom | how would I log *that* drop? |
| 05:48.10 | BurgerIsFreedom | wait.... i figured it out |
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| 05:48.47 | BurgerIsFreedom | -A OUTPUT -o lo -m owner --uid-owner palemoon-1 -j LOG right above the drop |
| 05:48.51 | msn | just put a log rule right about |
| 05:48.53 | msn | yeah |
| 05:48.56 | msn | more or less |
| 05:49.05 | msn | for eveyr drop you wanna log you need that rule |
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| 05:49.15 | rselon | tip: additional drops could be useful to prevent excessive logging |
| 05:49.18 | msn | in time once you know which rules rae fine you could drop them |
| 05:49.20 | rselon | for things like multicast |
| 05:49.41 | msn | rselon: wouldn't a blnket drop take care of tha/ |
| 05:50.02 | BurgerIsFreedom | rselon, k, I do have a drop for multicast. I will be sure not to create a seperate line to log that, lol |
| 05:50.31 | msn | well if you don't want to log it drop it before the blanket log/drop |
| 05:50.55 | msn | the point to remember with iptables is once the rule is matched no frurther processing takes place |
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| 05:51.21 | BurgerIsFreedom | oh hey, I actually don't. I must have dropped my multicast drop rule. that might be why I am having system instability and high ram usage (my logs go to /tmp in tmpfs) |
| 05:51.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn I understand |
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| 05:51.58 | msn | except LOG rules |
| 05:52.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | of course |
| 05:52.12 | msn | which are matched and then the processing continues |
| 05:52.32 | msn | as long as you remmber that its not difficult |
| 05:52.43 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, much appreciated. I have some pounding of keyboard to do now, implementing rules |
| 05:52.44 | msn | if you were using pf you would be having more fun |
| 05:53.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | i will eventually get to PF - will eventually use openbsd for a firewall - but have lots to learn first |
| 05:54.22 | msn | iptables is not a learning tree to pf its reverse unlerning iptables for pf would be more problematic |
| 05:55.15 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah but my priority linux, then BSD |
| 05:55.17 | BurgerIsFreedom | lol |
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| 05:55.29 | msn | sure. |
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| 05:55.53 | msn | i wish iptables and iproute2 would merge together :) things would be so much more streamlined well have fun with iptables |
| 05:56.08 | rselon | For some reason mpd is refusing to bind port 6600 on ipv4, ipv6 works fine tho |
| 05:56.16 | rselon | (running as a user process) |
| 05:56.44 | ggherdov | Hello. Just installed Jessie on a Thinkpad laptop T450, sound doesn't seem to work off-the-shelf. Some poking around suggests my sound card is a "Intel Broadwell HDMI". Any hint/doc/tutorial I can read to troubleshoot? |
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| 06:02.32 | msn | ggherdov: do you have a external monitor? |
| 06:02.47 | msn | rselon: smething else is listening on 6600? |
| 06:03.11 | ggherdov | msn: nope |
| 06:03.24 | rselon | msn: nope, archwiki to the rescue, it was trying to bind ipv6 before ipv4 and that caused it to fail for some reason, warch wiki has a recommended workarround |
| 06:03.36 | rselon | arch wiki* |
| 06:03.38 | msn | cool |
| 06:03.44 | msn | i have never used mpd though |
| 06:03.47 | msn | never needed to |
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| 06:04.02 | rselon | I swear that wiki has info on every linux program ever |
| 06:04.02 | msn | ggherdov: check whcih cards do you have with lspci |
| 06:04.23 | msn | rselon: i know i run into it almost always even when looking for debian issues |
| 06:04.28 | ggherdov | msn: ok |
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| 06:32.42 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: sorry can't help you there, i have never had to log user level stuff |
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| 06:34.56 | BurgerIsFreedom | any idea if any of the log levels contain user information? any idea where I would find that info (regarding log levels)? |
| 06:35.12 | CQ | BurgerIsFreedom: what application? |
| 06:35.12 | msn | netfilter.org |
| 06:35.22 | BurgerIsFreedom | CQ, iptables |
| 06:35.55 | CQ | BurgerIsFreedom: ask in #netfilter .. maybe they can help |
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| 06:36.17 | BurgerIsFreedom | CQ, ok |
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| 06:37.55 | CQ | BurgerIsFreedom: http://serverfault.com/questions/447552/log-with-iptalbes-which-user-is-delivering-email-to-port-25 suggests --log-uid |
| 06:40.07 | CQ | is ther eanything other than xinput which controls mouse wheel emulation? I can turn it of and on there, but that changes nothing |
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| 07:36.31 | ryouma | all of a sudden my deluge runs smplayer instead of vlc when i try to play a video. where is the setting to switch it back? |
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| 07:41.36 | AlexLikeRock | ryouma, maybe the DESKTOP are responsible |
| 07:41.52 | AlexLikeRock | ryouma, what you have ? |
| 07:41.56 | AlexLikeRock | gnome , kde ? |
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| 07:43.21 | AlexLikeRock | try rigth click over video file, then PROPERTIES, |
| 07:43.41 | ryouma | AlexLikeRock: just fluxbox |
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| 07:43.52 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.52 | ryouma | AlexLikeRock: there is no properties menu |
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| 07:43.58 | ryouma | there is no open with |
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| 07:44.08 | AlexLikeRock | go to settings |
| 07:44.15 | ryouma | there is nothing in settings in deluge |
| 07:44.30 | AlexLikeRock | setting at fluxbox |
| 07:44.31 | AlexLikeRock | ... |
| 07:45.33 | AlexLikeRock | what filemanager you have by default ? |
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| 07:47.16 | AlexLikeRock | MENU >>> system |
| 07:47.20 | ryouma | i don't use one |
| 07:47.22 | AlexLikeRock | at desktop |
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| 07:49.26 | AlexLikeRock | MENU >> FULUXBOX MENU >> CONFIGURE |
| 07:49.45 | ryouma | AlexLikeRock: tehre is no desktop. i don't use a dm |
| 07:49.49 | ryouma | de |
| 07:49.56 | ryouma | never mind AlexLikeRock thanks anyway |
| 07:50.24 | ryouma | is there a way to set debian to always open videos with a given application? no matter what the extension? |
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| 07:50.33 | ryouma | i presume it's some mime thing in /etc |
| 07:50.33 | AlexLikeRock | ryouma, http://img00.deviantart.net/200c/i/2006/248/e/1/fluxbox_screenshot_v4_by_endel.jpg |
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| 07:51.59 | ryouma | there is nothing relevant in the fluxbox menus i have. but again, thanks anyway. :) |
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| 07:52.26 | ryouma | i fixed it by running pcmanfm and telling it what to do. why it fixed it, i do not know. this is non-obvious. but i want this fixed once and for all by making all videos (no matter what extension) always open in a specified application -- and locked so it doesn't change underneath me again. |
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| 07:55.10 | ryouma | what debian alternatives setting works to set default video player? |
| 07:56.37 | AlexLikeRock | ryouma, cat /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list |
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| 08:00.06 | ryouma | AlexLikeRock: hehe, of course it is not there because i do not use gnome :) |
| 08:00.21 | ryouma | AlexLikeRock: not interested in any gnome solution |
| 08:00.23 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 08:00.36 | AlexLikeRock | what about X11 ? |
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| 08:01.22 | AlexLikeRock | http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-open.html |
| 08:01.54 | ryouma | applications don't seem to call that, afaik |
| 08:02.01 | ryouma | (typically) |
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| 08:02.28 | ryouma | also, it isn't clear how to set those defaults |
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| 08:07.25 | nimo | no way to add special mount options by debian installer? |
| 08:07.38 | nimo | there is a fixed list where you can check |
| 08:07.54 | AlexLikeRock | yes nimo |
| 08:08.53 | AlexLikeRock | they are 2 obtions |
| 08:09.12 | nimo | ? |
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| 08:11.24 | nkuttler | nimo: just edit fstab? |
| 08:11.32 | nimo | ??? |
| 08:11.43 | nimo | i'm worried about flags |
| 08:11.44 | nimo | at install time |
| 08:11.47 | nimo | not after restart |
| 08:11.53 | nkuttler | nimo: just edit fstab |
| 08:11.59 | nimo | what fstab? |
| 08:12.03 | nimo | o.o |
| 08:12.06 | nkuttler | nimo: man 5 fstab |
| 08:12.21 | nimo | o.o |
| 08:12.23 | nimo | are you serious? |
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| 08:13.30 | nimo | i try the expert install |
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| 08:16.36 | nimo | ok, solved |
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| 08:59.42 | gorteng | I got inconsistencies in my APT database for which apt-get suggests to resolve these with "apt-get -f install" which is about to download over 300MB of packages. Can't download that much now. How do I⦠|
| 08:59.42 | gorteng | ⦠instruct apt-get to just remove any package that is jointly responsible for the database's inconsistency? |
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| 09:02.55 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... can seombody help me with something... the wifi keeps disconnecting after some hour of inactivity... i have i3 WM... my dmesg is https://bpaste.net/show/1ad92ed68d11 even if the last lines are the actual reconnection i made |
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| 09:06.10 | AlexLikeRock | giuseppe_, https://itechscotland.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/how-to-permanently-turn-off-wi-fi-power-management-in-ubuntu/ |
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| 09:09.48 | giuseppe_ | AlexLikeRock... what is that diretory ? which program is reading that ? |
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| 10:15.57 | x86_64 | hi guys |
| 10:16.10 | x86_64 | how can i have AltGr and dead keys enabled while i am on the TTY? |
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| 10:31.23 | john341 | Anyone who've been successful running debian on the new Dell XPS 13, or has any experience to share with that lappy? |
| 10:31.45 | cast | i think you'll be able to make it work, i run debian on the m3800 |
| 10:31.57 | cast | given ubuntu can run on the xps13, debian can. |
| 10:32.08 | john341 | :) |
| 10:33.04 | john341 | cast: you're right, I believe dell support ubuntu 12.04 lts on that hardware, not sure whether they have any additional packages or drivers thou |
| 10:33.59 | cast | before i got issued the 3800 [possibly aka xps15] i was going to buy a xps13. i was happy with the compatibility side |
| 10:34.16 | cast | the main thing that concerned me, and the main vote against it imho, is all that proprietary firmware |
| 10:34.51 | cast | it'll probably have one of those intel remote management things in there, as well as the proprietary bios firmware |
| 10:35.42 | cast | but then, the thinkpad x200 isn't exactly a flash laptop nowdays (which would be a nice and much more free laptop) |
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| 10:41.37 | john341 | cast: I saw the xps13 yesterday, and it is beautiful. I mean it ain't cheap but yeah.. I asked them in the shop whether linux was supported and he had no clue what linux was, be adviced better not change windos 10 or whatever was runnig with all the huge squares and rainbow colors |
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| 11:04.13 | cast | john341: i would try to get the xps13 developer edition, just to show dell there is a market for a linux laptop |
| 11:04.28 | cast | i'm not sure if the HW is identical or not, it may well be |
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| 11:35.11 | bioxz | Hi, since a few days the user www-data is trying to exchange mails via my dovecot lmtp, every 5 minutes. Dovecot comments this with "Error: user www-data: Mail access for users with UID 33 not permitted". Any idea where i can look for the source of these messages? Connection is from local |
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| 11:36.46 | lman | bioxz: it seems it is a web program you are being run |
| 11:36.57 | lman | probably it has been compromised |
| 11:37.45 | lman | if that is the case, your database may be in dunger too |
| 11:37.54 | bioxz | lman: I though about that too. I stopped my apache, so there is no process from the user www-data running. All cronjobs from the user www-data are disabled, too. |
| 11:38.16 | valdyn | bioxz: in debians default settings only apache and children run as www-data |
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| 11:38.53 | bioxz | My dovecot is set to debug, but i still can't so which process is trying to connect to dovecot, only the user :-/ |
| 11:39.07 | valdyn | bioxz: sure |
| 11:39.16 | valdyn | bioxz: see what php stuff runs |
| 11:40.12 | valdyn | bioxz: or stop apache and see if this behaviour persists and see if *still* something is running as www-data |
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| 11:40.32 | valdyn | bioxz: and you can strace apache of course |
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| 11:40.41 | lman | bioxz: it is not recommended to have an incomming mail server in the same machine that you do have a web server |
| 11:40.47 | bioxz | valdyn: I have stopped apache and all cronjobs connected to the user www-data |
| 11:41.02 | lman | if you have a phisical server, use kvm to split jobs, otherwise buy another VM |
| 11:41.50 | valdyn | im not sure where that makes a significant difference |
| 11:42.12 | lman | machines with a mail server are very attractive to spammers and hackers |
| 11:42.20 | valdyn | so? |
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| 11:42.48 | lman | if it has been compromised, the attackers would have choose your machine over others because it has a mail server running on it |
| 11:42.49 | bioxz | Sure, but it's just a small machine with owncloud + mailserver |
| 11:42.57 | valdyn | bioxz: dovecot is an imap server, not an mta, its not interesting for spammers |
| 11:43.05 | lman | and attacking a web app is usually the most easy thing |
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| 11:44.34 | valdyn | right now we dont even know that he has an mta installed |
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| 11:45.01 | lman | right |
| 11:45.02 | bioxz | i do, postfix ;-) |
| 11:45.07 | valdyn | bioxz: you can see though that the login attempt is happening from localhost? |
| 11:45.36 | bioxz | Right now i dont think it's compromised but a config failure |
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| 11:46.04 | valdyn | I agree |
| 11:46.28 | valdyn | but you might know which imap web interface you might have installed, we sure dont. |
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| 11:47.05 | bioxz | Yeah, dovecot lmtp says "Connect from local", then "changed username to www-data" and that user isn't allowd to connect. So i want to find the source for that connection |
| 11:47.48 | valdyn | owncloud has a mail interface? |
| 11:47.51 | bioxz | It's happening every 5 minutes, but i can't find a cronjob causing it |
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| 11:49.04 | Brigo | bioxz, check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:49.15 | valdyn | bioxz: 5 minutes as not the typical cron application |
| 11:49.35 | valdyn | bioxz: though cron supports it, usually that interval is done internally by the running program |
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| 11:52.42 | bioxz | Brigo: No entries beside my login and some failed connections from strangers via ssh. |
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| 11:56.50 | bioxz | So no entry in auth.log, no process running as www-data, no cronjobs for www-data. |
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| 11:58.36 | Brigo | bioxz, i think valdyn is right, it should be an already running program. |
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| 11:59.48 | bioxz | Brigo: But that program has to run as www-data, right? There has to be a entry in auth.log, if not |
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| 12:01.16 | Brigo | bioxz, no, root, for example can change owners, so a process with enought privileges could do it. |
| 12:01.23 | Brigo | bioxz, i must go, sorry :) |
| 12:01.51 | bioxz | Brigo: np, thx so far |
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| 12:10.26 | psicobra | hi all |
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| 12:28.08 | knivsta | how to resize images in a folder in Debian? |
| 12:28.12 | knivsta | no easily tool |
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| 12:32.13 | lman | bioxz: try using "nethogs eth0" or "nethogs lo" and watch what programs are actually using the mail port |
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| 12:36.03 | bioxz | lman: After a restart i dont get any new messages, but im still looking for the source |
| 12:36.41 | lman | it seems it was a latent program, most probably triggered by the web |
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| 12:38.03 | bioxz | I have stopped everything on my system except dovecot. If i can find the source, i will announce it here ;-) |
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| 12:38.47 | lman | bioxz: you'll see when you start th web server if it happens again, then you'll know the origin is in the web server |
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| 12:51.27 | gho | where do I put X configuration stuff, e.g. Device sections, |
| 12:51.28 | gho | ? |
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| 12:52.05 | lman | gho: man xorg.conf |
| 12:52.48 | gho | if I put stuff in there will it stop autodetection on boot? |
| 12:52.49 | ribasushi | building custom kernels on debian changed several times recently |
| 12:52.55 | ribasushi | what is the most up-to-date way to do that? |
| 12:53.02 | ribasushi | I need to rebuild the official kernel with an extra patch on top |
| 12:53.29 | lman | gho: no, it will not stop autodetection, but you override the autodetected default configuration of the particular device you configure there |
| 12:53.37 | gho | ta |
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| 12:54.11 | lman | ribasushi: is make-kpkg not working? |
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| 12:55.20 | ribasushi | lman: I don't know - it seems deprecated, hence I am asking before I go head first in the wrong direction |
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| 12:55.40 | lman | ribasushi: where have you read it is deprecated? |
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| 12:56.58 | valdyn | ribasushi: the "make deb-pkg" |
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| 12:57.08 | valdyn | ribasushi: see "make help" |
| 12:57.28 | ribasushi | lman: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage seems to talk doing it directly from the kernel tree, no mention of make-kpkg |
| 12:57.49 | ribasushi | basically "there are too many mutually exclusive search hits - what do I actually use?" |
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| 12:58.54 | valdyn | ribasushi: building an official debian kernel package is not what you want obviously |
| 12:59.03 | valdyn | ribasushi: otherwise you could just use the official package |
| 12:59.08 | Elirips | Hello. How can I prevent aptitude from updateing the kernel when doing a 'aptitude safe-upgrade'? |
| 12:59.12 | kristijonas | hello, I have a question about apt-get and dpkg package databases. As I see, those are different, right? What does it actually mean for a package to be available (to be listed in /var/lib/dpkg/available) in terms of dpkg database? |
| 12:59.13 | ribasushi | valdyn: I want it to be as close to the official as possible |
| 12:59.14 | valdyn | ribasushi: see make help |
| 12:59.30 | ribasushi | valdyn: I need to undo a breakage in a particular driver, which makes a peripheral unusable :/ |
| 13:00.02 | lman | ribasushi: that article does not say anyghint about makekpkg being deprecated |
| 13:00.07 | valdyn | kristijonas: apt-get does use the dpkg database, so thats not different |
| 13:00.43 | valdyn | kristijonas: apt-get reads and stores additional information |
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| 13:03.35 | kristijonas | valdyn, as I understand apt reads repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and gets from them list of packages, and then puts in in folder /var/lib/apt/lists and those are *actually* available, but possible not yet installed packages. And what about /var/lib/dpkg/available file. What does it contain? |
| 13:04.06 | lman | wtf? :O trying to install "kernel-package" wants to install Latex and download 800mb!! |
| 13:04.30 | valdyn | kristijonas: I think the available file is irrelevant unless you use dselect |
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| 13:06.08 | valdyn | kristijonas: appearantly dpkg can maintain it for dselect, but thats not done unless you do that manually or run dselect, which would use dpkg to update that file |
| 13:07.09 | lman | ey guys look at this, it is crazy! |
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| 13:07.11 | lman | http://paste.debian.net/286186/ |
| 13:07.14 | kristijonas | valdyn, so basically all available packages are in /var/lib/apt/lists folder files, and not in /var/lib/dpkg/available, right? |
| 13:07.46 | lman | why does kernel-package require latex? |
| 13:07.50 | valdyn | kristijonas: ..unless you use dselect, yea |
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| 13:08.27 | valdyn | lman: most probably to compile the docs |
| 13:08.42 | lman | but a requirement? |
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| 13:12.15 | Elirips | Why willl a 'aptitude hold linux-image-amd64' not prevent aptitude from installing linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64? |
| 13:12.22 | kristijonas | valdyn, ok, but still, /var/lib/dpkg/available exists. so what does it contain? Is that being edited when I use apt-get or something? |
| 13:12.38 | valdyn | kristijonas: no, when you use dselect |
| 13:13.16 | valdyn | 139724 Okt 26 2014 available |
| 13:13.21 | valdyn | mind the data |
| 13:13.26 | valdyn | mind the *date* |
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| 13:15.20 | lman | Elirips: because it is not the same package |
| 13:15.51 | Elirips | lman: how can I prevent aptitude from installing new kernels? |
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| 13:17.09 | lman | Elirips: hold every kernel package you have installed |
| 13:17.18 | lman | so it won't try to update it |
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| 13:18.16 | Elirips | lman: okay thank you. I'll hold the exact kernel packages. But why does it not work by holding meta-packages? |
| 13:18.42 | lman | because meta-packages don't hold the real packages |
| 13:19.04 | lman | if a new version of the real packages comes, it will update regardles of the meta-package |
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| 13:21.19 | lman | a metapackage may have not changes at all for years, while the packages it appoints to are being updated |
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| 13:24.31 | lman | Elirips: but you should not hold small versions of kernels for security reasons, tomorrow there could be discovered a bug that could make your machine exposed |
| 13:25.11 | Elirips | lman: I need to hold them until the people running the xen host can tell me the propper settings for grub |
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| 13:25.32 | Elirips | atm if I install a new kernel, the machine wont boot anymore. (altouth menu.lst entries look exactly the same as the one working) |
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| 13:26.32 | lman | Elirips: if those cases, you should just use the kernel supplied by your provider, in most vendors it is kept fixed |
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| 13:26.47 | lman | and they update it |
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| 13:27.37 | Elirips | its still confusing: How can it be that kernel 3.2 boots fine, while 3.16 does not? |
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| 13:28.48 | lman | i don't know about xen, but in KVM they have a way to force you to use their kernel because there is not a mechanism to boot from grub (they run their kernel and assign the root filesystem of your machine) |
| 13:30.25 | kristijonas | what archive manager do it need so that I could extract .deb file? |
| 13:30.29 | Elirips | lman: well, I need to contact support. If I do a fresh install (from a template), dpkg tells me that 'linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64' and 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64' is installed, but grub has only one entry for 3.2.0-4 |
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| 13:31.38 | lman | kristijonas: any modern graphical archive manager should be able to open it |
| 13:31.57 | valdyn | forcing a specific kernel in kvm is practically impossible.. |
| 13:32.29 | lman | Elirips: if your VM supports booting from grub, you should just install the new kernel and it should work |
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| 13:32.36 | lman | anyway try running update-grb |
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| 13:33.29 | lman | valdyn: actually digitalocean and most kvm providers do force a kernel |
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| 13:33.31 | Elirips | running update-grb makes the machine impossible to boot |
| 13:34.06 | kristijonas | lman, on thunar i right-click on the .deb file and select "extract to" and the error "No suitable archive manager found", and it only happens with .deb files. |
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| 13:34.59 | lman | kristijonas: in xfce4, use xarchiver, it works like a charm |
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| 13:35.38 | valdyn | Elirips: what do you mean exactly with "impossible to boot" ? |
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| 13:36.03 | Elirips | valdyn: well, it fails to boot. I can shutdown, then I can try to boot it, but it will fail |
| 13:36.08 | lman | valdyn: and it is perfectly possible, as KVM does support the option of booting a kernel, not from a virtual disk |
| 13:36.25 | Elirips | valdyn: its a vm, I have only access to a webinterface to do a 'start/stop/reboot/re-install' |
| 13:36.39 | valdyn | Elirips: so you cant see the boot manager? |
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| 13:36.46 | Elirips | valdyn: no |
| 13:36.57 | Elirips | I have only ssh access once the machine is running |
| 13:37.20 | Elirips | I opened a ticket, I just need to make sure aptitude does not do anything to grub in the meantime |
| 13:37.22 | valdyn | Elirips: you should be able to kexec the kernel of your choice, but you should rather contact your provider |
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| 13:38.42 | valdyn | https://mescanef.net/blog/2014/06/booting-custom-kernel-in-digitalocean-vm-instance-aka-droplet/ |
| 13:39.05 | Elirips | valdyn: yes, I contacted them. I doubt they really tested an update. menu.lst looks to me like it was manipulated, but never tested - I doubt a line like '# groot=(hostdisk//dev/xvda2)' is a correct default param.. |
| 13:39.31 | valdyn | Elirips: read that link |
| 13:39.58 | kristijonas | lman, hm. "can't run the archiver executable: failed to execute child process "ar" (no such file or directory)". |
| 13:40.07 | lman | valdyn: I know, but that complicates things |
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| 13:41.55 | valdyn | kristijonas: install it |
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| 13:42.44 | kristijonas | valdyn, install what? |
| 13:42.54 | valdyn | kristijonas: the ar archiver |
| 13:43.06 | valdyn | binutils: /usr/bin/ar |
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| 13:45.45 | kristijonas | valdyn, thank you. |
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| 14:17.53 | alphis | hey if i wanted to get deb7 to use samba version > 2 how can i do this |
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| 14:19.28 | lman | alphis: have a look: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 14:22.47 | themill | alphis: wheezy has samba 3.6 |
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| 14:27.50 | alphis | thanks lman |
| 14:27.53 | alphis | themill: really? |
| 14:27.59 | alphis | dpkg -l | grep samba says 2.something |
| 14:28.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep samba says 2.something |
| 14:28.11 | alphis | or is that a different version |
| 14:28.15 | alphis | whoa...cool bot ;] |
| 14:28.21 | alphis | dpkg samba |
| 14:28.25 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
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| 14:34.03 | head8debian | Can someone explain the backport repos better to me? Do they only upgrade programs that don't require newer dependencies, or how does it work? |
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| 14:34.40 | mtn | head8debian, I think the website explains it pretty well. have you been there? |
| 14:34.55 | head8debian | No. |
| 14:35.10 | head8debian | Ah, i see. |
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| 14:35.11 | head8debian | Thanks. |
| 14:35.18 | mtn | welcome |
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| 14:53.11 | meaneye | How come my laptop has 3.16 kernel while desktop is on 4.0 and both are Debian testing? |
| 14:53.38 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 14:53.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.8-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
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| 14:53.54 | meaneye | Thanks. |
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| 14:55.09 | Brigo | ,kernels |
| 14:55.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.8-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
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| 14:55.43 | Brigo | meaneye, there is no 4.0 in testing. |
| 14:55.44 | meaneye | I had testing-updates repo disabled. For some reason. |
| 14:56.16 | Brigo | meaneye, i think testing-updates is useless. |
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| 14:56.31 | meaneye | Why if I may ask? |
| 14:56.33 | Brigo | may be are you using sid in your desktop computer? |
| 14:57.09 | meaneye | Well, both of them are net installs (laptop and desktop), but laptop required some non-free firmware. |
| 14:57.15 | meaneye | That might be the reason. |
| 14:57.34 | meaneye | Brigo, why do you think updates are useless? |
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| 14:59.05 | Brigo | meaneye, i can see the point in testing-update. Testing is up to date mostly. |
| 15:00.02 | dvs | meaneye: You might as well be using sid if you are using testing-update |
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| 15:00.29 | themill | dpkg: tell alphis about version epoch |
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| 15:15.26 | transhuman | hi if the only way i can access a mysql database to copy it to a new host is through a chroot. How would i go about transfering the database to a new install? anyone got directions for doing this? |
| 15:15.29 | daimon | I need to be hooked up with frequency scaling |
| 15:15.57 | daimon | how can I set it to performance? |
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| 15:17.27 | Brigo | transhuman, mysqldump could help |
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| 15:18.02 | transhuman | will mysql need to be running in order to use that ..not sure If I can start mysql in a chroot (although I have never tried it) |
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| 15:18.25 | Brigo | transhuman, or apt-cache show mydumper |
| 15:18.46 | Brigo | transhuman, it is better if mysql is not running. |
| 15:19.18 | transhuman | perfect cause i think mysql wont run |
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| 15:20.20 | Brigo | if mysql is running, it can update the database while you are copying it, and that can be a big problem |
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| 15:20.50 | transhuman | ok i will make sure its not running..thanks |
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| 15:25.26 | Brigo | transhuman, database dump programs can deal with that, usually, but it's better if they don't need to. |
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| 15:26.15 | transhuman | question what happens if i know the root password on the box but not the root password on the mysql database (since I cant start it to reset it?) |
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| 15:29.48 | transhuman | never mind I am all set I can infact start mysql in chroot...good to know |
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| 15:30.34 | dreamteam | help help help |
| 15:31.53 | SynrG | !ask |
| 15:31.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:32.58 | dreamteam | how do i maximize the size of my linux file on android.. it sets itself at 4gb max and wen i manually set the file size to more thn 4gb it fails to install |
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| 15:34.01 | lman | dreamteam: I'm afraid it is a limitation of the FAT format of SDCARDS |
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| 15:34.16 | dreamteam | is there a wayout |
| 15:34.40 | dreamteam | its really driving me crazy |
| 15:34.44 | lman | if your android distribution supports that, you can format the sdcard with ext4 |
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| 15:35.08 | dreamteam | cn u plz guide me a little |
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| 15:35.38 | lman | what android and distribution are you using? |
| 15:35.54 | lman | first you need to know if your android supports sdcard formated with ext4 |
| 15:35.58 | dreamteam | ansroid 5.0 debian vivid |
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| 15:36.09 | lman | then format it with ext4 and then you can do so |
| 15:36.28 | lman | but official, cyanogenmod, what? |
| 15:36.31 | dreamteam | note 3 |
| 15:36.41 | dreamteam | ya CM12 |
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| 15:36.50 | lman | ok, i think it supports that |
| 15:37.00 | lman | go to a linux desktop and reformat the sdcard with ext4 |
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| 15:37.48 | dreamteam | n thn install normally n set the size manually is that it? |
| 15:38.25 | lman | yes, but be aware: your sdcard will be only readable from linux and CM only from now on |
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| 15:38.49 | dreamteam | forever u mean |
| 15:39.02 | lman | forever until you reformat it again with FAT |
| 15:39.18 | dreamteam | olryt tht sounds good |
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| 15:39.36 | dreamteam | lemme try n get bak to u |
| 15:39.42 | dreamteam | thanku so much |
| 15:39.48 | lman | np |
| 15:39.58 | dreamteam | cheers |
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| 15:54.08 | enoch | my debian apache2 is not working, it is ignoring my virtual hosts, why? |
| 15:54.09 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.21 | Filystyn | ! |
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| 16:34.26 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:34.36 | lenswipe | I have a debian 8.0 live CD |
| 16:35.42 | lenswipe | I have a debian 7.0 system with a corrupt file system, I'm trying to mount the fs on the machine but it's not showing in gparte |
| 16:35.45 | lenswipe | gparted* |
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| 16:38.14 | Brigo | lenswipe, is it showed with lsblk? |
| 16:39.02 | lenswipe | i get sr0 that points to /lib/live...blah and loop0 which points to /lib/live/..someplace else |
| 16:39.03 | lenswipe | so no |
| 16:39.24 | lenswipe | Brigo, the disk is bootable, it just wont boot into an OS |
| 16:39.36 | __izy__ | how i can fix this. i don't see ok and cancel buttons. same for hexchat. http://i.imgur.com/ELvtQQY.png |
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| 16:40.06 | Brigo | lenswipe, linux are not detecting it at all. |
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| 16:40.16 | lenswipe | Brigo, seems not, any ideas? |
| 16:40.50 | Brigo | lenswipe, you can launch a fsck to repair the filesystem from grub |
| 16:40.53 | lenswipe | __izy__, use Alt + drag to move the window up...looks like the buttons are hidden at the bottom |
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| 16:41.01 | lenswipe | Brigo, how do i do that? |
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| 16:41.58 | __izy__ | i know. doesn't work. i can not move upper than top bar |
| 16:42.24 | Brigo | boot to grub menu and press 'e' key to edit the current line. Then look for the kernel line and add to the end: |
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| 16:43.12 | lenswipe | Brigo, I've tried doing fsck on it before (it's errored and asked if i want to do that), i tend to recall it delcare the fs not fixable and thew all the toys out of the pram |
| 16:43.33 | lenswipe | Brigo, currently it says DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER |
| 16:43.39 | lenswipe | does that mean my HDD is fragged? |
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| 16:43.54 | Brigo | lenswipe, i would say so. :( |
| 16:44.01 | lenswipe | that's a ****ing pain |
| 16:44.04 | lenswipe | i had a lot of code on there |
| 16:44.05 | enoch | what is wrong? http://pastebin.com/FErHjXEy |
| 16:44.10 | Brigo | lenswipe, do you have backups? |
| 16:44.22 | lenswipe | Brigo, for most of it |
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| 16:45.50 | Brigo | lenswipe, you have to install and use gsmartcontrol, it will warn you in advance |
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| 16:56.39 | ribasushi | why doesn't the following work: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/495372 |
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| 17:10.41 | lenswipe | Brigo, I think it's f*cked |
| 17:10.48 | lenswipe | thanks for your help though :) |
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| 17:15.50 | MadMan2021 | Greetings all I added testing to my sources to get the letest version of mono, now that I have removed testing from my sources I'm gettings allot of locales errors. apt-get install locales gives me a glibc-2.13.1 dependency. |
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| 17:18.29 | BluesKaj | MadMan2021, re-add the source update and upgrade until your setup is up to date then comment it or remove |
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| 17:20.08 | MadMan2021 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.03 | BluesKaj | MadMan2021, so you just installed a particular app |
| 17:21.18 | MadMan2021 | dd BluesKaj: Just mono |
| 17:21.40 | epsilon | you cant just install one testing package which has dependencies |
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| 17:22.23 | MadMan2021 | So to get my server back right I would need to remove mono and then would it fix the glibc issue you think ? |
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| 17:25.40 | epsilon | depends what packages you already installed |
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| 17:36.22 | enoch | how to jail pure-ftpd unix users in their home? |
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| 17:38.32 | levo_ | my sources.list is empty. Is there any way to update it or turn it back to default? |
| 17:38.52 | hoxu | !tell levo_ about sources.list |
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| 17:48.08 | levo_ | I have installed wheezy on my pentiium 4 with crt monitor. couldn't start x server. would it be possible to fix this? |
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| 17:51.01 | BluesKaj | levo_, which graphics chip? |
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| 17:53.50 | levo | BluesKaj: to be honest i don't exactly know. is there a way i can find out? |
| 17:54.17 | levo | lspci? |
| 17:54.32 | BluesKaj | levo, in the terminal , lspci | grep VGA |
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| 17:57.17 | levo | BluesKaj: S3 inc 86C410 savage 2000 (Rev.2.0) |
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| 17:57.51 | levo | BluesKaj: and monitor is a 15" LG CRT monitor |
| 17:57.55 | lman | wow that chip is really old :O |
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| 17:58.32 | lman | are you using a computer from the XX century? :O |
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| 17:59.24 | levo | lman: fozooli nakon baradar. |
| 17:59.33 | lman | that computer only wastes energy, just buy something cheap |
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| 18:04.02 | levo | BluesKaj: oh i remember now, the graphic card is actually GeForce2 MX400 but i don't know why it shows it so :| |
| 18:05.01 | levo | oops the graphics card is fake as it seems. damn it |
| 18:05.17 | lman | levo: it will not going to show you something that is not |
| 18:06.13 | levo | lman: yeah the *** seller told me it's geforce mx400 (64mb) :(( after 8 years i realized it right now |
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| 18:07.06 | lman | that card got unsupported some time ago |
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| 18:07.34 | lman | I'm afraid you are not going to run X properly on that machine, only perhaps compatible VESA mode |
| 18:07.38 | BluesKaj | levo, dunno if there are any drivers available for that chip |
| 18:08.59 | knivsta | How can I find out if my disk is about to die? |
| 18:09.04 | knivsta | It is slowing down a lot |
| 18:09.20 | superstraw | i'm running xfce4 on a machine from 2004, with an ati radeon 9550 graphics card. |
| 18:09.24 | `ryban | hello |
| 18:09.48 | superstraw | one of my machines, not my main |
| 18:10.23 | superstraw | levo: got a log for that x server? |
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| 18:11.53 | compa | knivsta: Do you hear a clicking croming from your hard drive? |
| 18:12.04 | compa | coming* |
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| 18:12.51 | levo | superstraw: /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 18:12.51 | squinty | knivsta, might want to look at the SMART data using the program Disks. Start Disks and then click on the cog icon on the top bar -> Smart Data and self tests |
| 18:13.50 | superstraw | levo: yeah that one |
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| 18:16.28 | knivsta | squinty, it says Disk is OK, 8 bad sectors |
| 18:16.35 | knivsta | what is that suppose to mean? |
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| 18:17.21 | iamtoodumb | hi |
| 18:18.04 | iamtoodumb | got a strange problem: i open bitmask --> open deluge/transmission --> for a few seconds download/upload speed is normal --> after some time it drops to 0 --> have to turn off/on bitmask again --> etc.... anyone has an idea? |
| 18:18.07 | squinty | knivsta, you can probably rule out a failing hard drive as a suspect then |
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| 18:22.03 | lman | iamtoodumb: riseup servers usually gets oversaturated |
| 18:22.11 | lman | they probably drop abusive clients |
| 18:22.19 | iamtoodumb | ah. ok. |
| 18:23.02 | iamtoodumb | funny thing is it used to be fine when I was in a different country 1 week ago |
| 18:23.22 | lman | in my experience it depends on the day |
| 18:23.50 | levo | superstraw: pastebin.com/RBnX2fAD |
| 18:23.54 | lman | and try selecting another server for another country |
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| 18:24.27 | nostrora | Hello, i have an error when i try to start my application gregoire@debian:~/Downloads/output$ ./Mufibot ./Mufibot: `�޿: QRU��4�������Í]ZY�����: : Error 18446744072425313761 |
| 18:24.50 | iamtoodumb | iman: thanks. but you think there is a possibility that the isp can see that i am file sharing and thus limits me? |
| 18:25.06 | meaneye | nostrora, that helps little. Can you LANG=en ./Mufibot |
| 18:25.19 | meaneye | Or is the language already in English. |
| 18:25.53 | knivsta | squinty, rule out? so my disk is fine? |
| 18:26.08 | nostrora | meaneye: language already in english yes :( |
| 18:26.13 | lman | iamtoodumb: i know that some ISP detect when you are using a VPN and cut off |
| 18:26.27 | hoxu | knivsta, bad sectors does not sound good. Does your disk support SMART and did you run tests? |
| 18:26.50 | knivsta | hoxu, yep I did run tests and of course my disk supports SMART |
| 18:26.52 | knivsta | you know |
| 18:26.58 | nostrora | meaneye: output is same with LANG=en ./Mufibot |
| 18:27.04 | meaneye | nostrora, well, whatever Mufibot is, you should contact that developer. It doesn't look like OS specific. |
| 18:27.17 | meaneye | OS related* |
| 18:27.27 | iamtoodumb | iman: i think this is the problem. ;( any way around it? |
| 18:27.31 | nostrora | meaneye: I'm the dev :') i have compile this software on my ArchLinux and i want to run it on debian |
| 18:27.40 | hoxu | knivsta, show us the smartctl dump with results, on a pastebin |
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| 18:27.53 | nostrora | i have push all .so required files with executable |
| 18:27.54 | meaneye | nostrora, oooh, okay then it's a different problem. Which language? |
| 18:28.00 | knivsta | hoxu, I am sorry I don't know how to do it |
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| 18:28.01 | nostrora | C++ with Qt 5.5 |
| 18:28.22 | meaneye | nostrora, grab gdb and run it with it. Make sure you have debug symbols during compile time. |
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| 18:28.44 | nostrora | ok :) i do it now ;) |
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| 18:28.58 | hoxu | knivsta, smartctl -a /dev/sdx |
| 18:29.03 | hoxu | !tell knivsta about paste |
| 18:29.07 | nodiscc | hi all |
| 18:29.13 | meaneye | nostrora, gdb is mother of all debuggers and your best friend in this case. It will tell you which line causes issues. |
| 18:29.14 | knivsta | hoxu, ok thanks |
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| 18:29.19 | nodiscc | is anyone using lightdm and able to confirm this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694353 ? |
| 18:29.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/694353 in xfce4 (open): «Xfce 4.8 application startup notification not working»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-11-25; last modified: 2013-07-05. |
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| 18:29.33 | nodiscc | it looks like it should be reassigned to lightdm |
| 18:29.45 | squinty | knivsta, all disks have a certain amount of bad sectors (this one here has 720 and is still inside usable limits) your 8 sectors is nothing to worry about |
| 18:30.04 | knivsta | hoxu, I don't have smartctl |
| 18:30.06 | knivsta | sorry |
| 18:30.08 | nodiscc | no startup notification ("busy icon" cursor) |
| 18:30.41 | hoxu | knivsta, it's in the smartmontools package |
| 18:31.02 | knivsta | hoxu, ok thanks |
| 18:31.11 | hoxu | knivsta, /usr/sbin/smartctl, naturally you need to run it as root |
| 18:31.14 | squinty | knivsta, you probably have to use sudo sudo smartctl -a |
| 18:31.39 | knivsta | squinty, could it be processor then? my system freezes these days |
| 18:32.14 | knivsta | its new system 4th i3-4130 with old laptop |
| 18:32.21 | knivsta | with old laptop SATA HDD |
| 18:32.28 | knivsta | so it could be the problem right? |
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| 18:34.29 | knivsta | also I am using FDE |
| 18:34.33 | knivsta | could be the problem? |
| 18:34.40 | squinty | knivsta, could be a number of things (ie video drivers) might want to keep an eye on your log files /var/log to see if any relevant error messages |
| 18:34.43 | knivsta | I would just buy a new SSD SATA-3 and see |
| 18:35.12 | knivsta | squinty, no I understand its my HDD, its old Laptop HDD with new system and FDE is over using it lol |
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| 18:35.50 | squinty | knivsta, no idea what fde is. |
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| 18:36.24 | knivsta | squinty, Full Disk encryption |
| 18:36.31 | knivsta | that Debian Installation offers |
| 18:36.34 | knivsta | and I have Intel graphics |
| 18:36.38 | knivsta | so graphics is not an issue |
| 18:36.41 | knivsta | it just works fine |
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| 18:46.14 | tlolczyk | Is there a way to get a list of files changed or added during an apt-get upgrade or apt-get install? |
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| 18:51.19 | Brigo | tlolczyk, you mean a list of packages? |
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| 19:01.06 | piklu | Hello |
| 19:01.11 | piklu | I really need urgent help |
| 19:01.18 | piklu | I moved a openvz debian based VM |
| 19:01.24 | piklu | right now - the networking is not working |
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| 19:01.37 | piklu | ifconfig's output is blank...... |
| 19:01.48 | nostrora | meaneye: i have the same error with gdb |
| 19:01.57 | nostrora | meaneye: /home/gregoire/Downloads/output/Mufibot: : QRU��4�������Í]ZY�����: : Error 18446744072434042337 [Inferior 1 (process 4687) exited with code 0177] (gdb) |
| 19:02.01 | piklu | trying to start networking is providing me this error - -bash: /usr/sbin/service: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 19:02.08 | piklu | I need urgent help - please. |
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| 19:03.46 | nostrora | ello, i have an error when i try to start my application gregoire@debian:~/Downloads/output$ ./Mufibot ./Mufibot: `�޿: QRU��4�������Í]ZY�����: : Error 18446744072425313761 |
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| 19:05.25 | equa | piklu: what's the output of: ip a |
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| 19:05.53 | piklu | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu 65536 qdisc noop state DOWN |
| 19:05.53 | piklu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.53 | piklu | 2: venet0: <BROADCAST,POINTOPOINT,NOARP> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN |
| 19:05.53 | piklu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.17 | equa | piklu: use paste.debian.net for pasting |
| 19:06.20 | piklu | equa :http://paste.debian.net/286272/ |
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| 19:08.17 | piklu | equa : got the output |
| 19:08.18 | piklu | ? |
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| 19:11.00 | meaneye | nostrora, so it's not an exception. If the error happens right away, I suggest stepping through the application. |
| 19:11.10 | feisar | good evening chaps, I'm going to upgrade a Debian 7 (KVM) server to 8, anything I should lookout for (and what goes well with Ouzo)? |
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| 19:12.16 | nostrora | meaneye: application work very well in my archLinux. i really think is a dependancy problem |
| 19:12.32 | meaneye | Well I am guessing as well, but you need to discover which. |
| 19:12.42 | nostrora | maybe because i compile in 32 bits on a 64 bits operating system ? |
| 19:12.43 | Grinchier | is mac here? |
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| 19:18.55 | tlolczyk | Brigo, I mean a list of files. |
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| 19:20.27 | equa | piklu: take a look at https://openvz.org/Common_Networking_HOWTOs |
| 19:21.09 | piklu | equa : not helpful |
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| 19:22.32 | __izy__ | i can not resize the preference windows and i don't see ok and cancel buttons. http://i.imgur.com/ELvtQQY.png. same for hexchat |
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| 19:23.05 | equa | piklu: it was working before you did the moved? |
| 19:23.13 | piklu | yes |
| 19:23.32 | piklu | equa : I accidently overwrote symlink of /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh |
| 19:23.38 | piklu | where is the actual path of bash |
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| 19:24.09 | equa | piklu: whereis bash |
| 19:24.20 | piklu | yes /bin/bash is also a symlink I guess |
| 19:24.25 | piklu | isn't it ? |
| 19:24.44 | zykotick9 | piklu: nope. ELF 32-bit LSB executable |
| 19:25.01 | piklu | shit |
| 19:25.05 | piklu | how to restore it now |
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| 19:25.57 | zykotick9 | piklu: you could try "apt-get install --reinstall bash" perhaps? |
| 19:26.04 | piklu | my network is not working |
| 19:26.05 | piklu | :( |
| 19:26.10 | piklu | can someone give me the binary |
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| 19:26.13 | piklu | debian wheezy? |
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| 19:26.41 | equa | you can issue the command on wheezy, just do what zykotick9 suggested |
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| 19:28.43 | piklu | Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 19:28.46 | zykotick9 | piklu: check if you have bash_FOO.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives then use dpkg to install |
| 19:29.25 | piklu | I have this one |
| 19:29.26 | piklu | bash_4.2+dfsg-0.1_amd64.deb |
| 19:30.03 | piklu | dpkg: warning: 'sh' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 19:30.03 | dpkg | piklu: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:30.37 | piklu | http://paste.debian.net/286289/ |
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| 19:30.54 | piklu | zykotick9: check http://paste.debian.net/286289/ |
| 19:32.29 | zykotick9 | piklu: i had a look. sorry, i'm not sure how to get out of your situation. good luck. |
| 19:32.32 | equa | piklu: time to run the rescue disk and install the package |
| 19:32.37 | piklu | ah.... |
| 19:33.26 | mohamedAziz17 | hello guys, when I did a fresh debian Install the usage of cpu was 70% the process that was causing this issue was journald and systemd so I opened the log and I seen complainings about the wifi driver I installed from the non free repo and the cpu usage is normal now is this a bug ?? sorry for my bad english it's my third language .. |
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| 19:35.39 | lman | hello, there is a very important bug recently discovered |
| 19:35.43 | lman | I'd like you to know |
| 19:36.03 | lman | it seems that if there is a missing firmware, /var/log is full of waste, consuming the partition |
| 19:36.38 | squinty | mohamedAziz17, just went through a similar situation myself with the missing firmware for iwl3945 after installing debian. found out the system was spewing out error messages in the background causing system slow down and overheating until I installed the firmware. |
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| 19:37.00 | squinty | lol another case! |
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| 19:37.20 | Raydiation | hi, i was wondering if there is anything important in /var/lib (apart from mysql/postgresql database tables) |
| 19:37.49 | Raydiation | thats what ive got right now https://dpaste.de/hVZC |
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| 19:38.21 | nodiscc | how hard is it to configure SELinux for a desktop/laptop machine (debian testing)? |
| 19:38.35 | mohamedAziz17 | This was not happening in debian wheezy I think it's related to systemd ? |
| 19:38.35 | nodiscc | is it just install-and-forget or a hassle to maintain selinux policies? |
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| 19:55.16 | lman | squinty: you should report the bug, there are many people with this problem, mostly new people |
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| 20:07.16 | MadMan2021 | apt-get install locales gives unmet dependencies for glibc-2.13-1 and debconf >= 0.5. This is after using testing sources to get the latest mono. I've now removed the entry from sources and ran apt-get purge mono-complete. How do I fix the dependency issue. AKA bring it back to how it was before |
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| 20:08.38 | centrx | MadMan2021, You probably upgraded your system to testing |
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| 20:09.05 | mancomunado | Plasma 5.3 in official repo when?? |
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| 20:09.24 | MadMan2021 | centrx: I can't remember running apt-get upgrade |
| 20:09.29 | MadMan2021 | only apt-get install mono-complete |
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| 20:10.18 | centrx | MadMan2021, Right, that may have pulled in many libraries that were required to install that package, such as libc6 |
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| 20:10.41 | MadMan2021 | centrx: Is there anyway to downgrade libc6 to the right version as of stable ? |
| 20:10.51 | centrx | mancomunado, KDE 5.3 is in unstable currently. Hard to predict when it will get to stable-backports |
| 20:11.12 | mancomunado | centrx, what happens to be unstable? |
| 20:11.29 | centrx | MadMan2021, You can try, but downgrades are not really supported. Do you know what packages were installed/upgraded when you ran apt-get install mono-complete ? |
| 20:11.54 | MadMan2021 | centrx: No idea it was 3 days ago, I've only just realised the issues with Locales today. |
| 20:11.55 | centrx | MadMan2021, Were you running wheezy before? |
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| 20:12.04 | MadMan2021 | Yes |
| 20:12.27 | centrx | mancomunado, unstable is the name of the Debian branch used for development and bleeding-edge packages |
| 20:12.34 | MadMan2021 | 7.8 I think |
| 20:12.36 | centrx | MadMan2021, You may as well upgrade to jessie, the latest stable |
| 20:12.45 | centrx | MadMan2021, 8.x, it has the same version of mono as in testing |
| 20:12.57 | MadMan2021 | centrx: Okay, I'm guessing there is a guide |
| 20:13.03 | MadMan2021 | I've never done a distro upgrade |
| 20:13.07 | centrx | !wheezy->jessie |
| 20:13.15 | centrx | dpkg, tell MadMan2021 about wheezy->jessie |
| 20:13.34 | MadMan2021 | centrx: Bot be dead ;) |
| 20:13.38 | centrx | MadMan2021, Upgrading Debian is pretty straightforward and reliable. Could be some snags because of the testing mono-install |
| 20:13.41 | MadMan2021 | Wait never mind |
| 20:13.51 | centrx | MadMan2021, See privmsg. It gets mixed up with the !-> I think |
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| 20:14.03 | MadMan2021 | It seems IRSSI is silent when gettings new privmsg |
| 20:14.07 | mancomunado | centrx, does it mean nothing is really wrong but if so, why does it keep "testing"? |
| 20:14.56 | MadMan2021 | Thank you centrx I will try now |
| 20:14.58 | centrx | mancomunado, What do you mean? |
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| 20:39.51 | gho | can anyone tell me the difference in sources.list between the jessie, jessie-updates and security repos? |
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| 20:41.50 | nkuttler | !jessie-updates |
| 20:41.50 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 20:41.53 | Hans_Zero | hi, can anyone help me with some preseed issues? I got everything working except, that it drops me in the menu and I need to select abort installation to make it finish |
| 20:41.54 | nkuttler | !security |
| 20:41.55 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 20:42.26 | nkuttler | gho: well, the security one is not so informative, that's mostly for quick delivery of bug/security fixes |
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| 20:42.34 | gho | nkuttler, so the regular jessie repo isn't updated? |
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| 20:42.50 | nkuttler | gho: not as quickly |
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| 20:43.14 | gho | ok - what sort of updates are in jessie/update, just bug fixes or new versions? |
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| 20:43.27 | nkuttler | gho: stable doesn't get new versions |
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| 20:44.09 | gho | ok - just confused why all updates arent just put into one repo rather than split into three |
| 20:44.40 | nkuttler | gho: bugfixes vs security updates |
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| 20:45.11 | gho | ok, so jessie is the release as originally was and jessie/updates is updates for bugs? |
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| 20:45.55 | nkuttler | gho: jessie-updates, yes |
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| 20:46.08 | gho | thanks |
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| 20:46.52 | nkuttler | gho: some people might not want to upgrade packages unless for security reasons. splitting the repos is good for them |
| 20:47.13 | nkuttler | some people might even rely on buggy behavior, or might just want to avoid regressions |
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| 20:47.36 | gho | ok thanks for the clarification |
| 20:47.54 | gho | so jessie-updates (non security) is bug fixes still being tested before the point release |
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| 20:51.27 | Hans_Zero | does anyone have knowledge about preseeding? |
| 20:52.04 | phy1729 | Hans_Zero: just ask your question |
| 20:52.51 | Hans_Zero | it just drops me back in the menu after the finish the installation step, I need to select abort installation to make it finish... everything works though |
| 20:53.24 | Hans_Zero | also while I'm at it I wanted to check if anyone knew a way to add a pointopoint connection to an eth device, because I can't get that to work either |
| 20:53.25 | phy1729 | odd never had that issue before |
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| 20:53.46 | Hans_Zero | I could upload my preseed config... gimme a sec |
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| 20:54.31 | phy1729 | Hans_Zero: did you base your stuff off the example preseed? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt |
| 20:54.39 | Hans_Zero | yes |
| 20:55.07 | Hans_Zero | I think it has trouble with the preseed/late_command stuff |
| 20:56.19 | Hans_Zero | http://pastebin.com/Lk5tmKpa |
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| 20:58.01 | utab | I am searching for some information to back up my data from my debian system with a live cd |
| 20:58.21 | Hans_Zero | utab what d'you need to know? |
| 20:58.29 | phy1729 | Hans_Zero: I think you're at the point that you should just download a script and run it |
| 20:58.52 | utab | @Hans_Zero: I would like to copy my files from a screwed system |
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| 20:59.35 | utab | @Hans_Zero: I was getting a /sbin/init error from libsepol.1.so |
| 20:59.39 | Hans_Zero | phy1729 uh... that might work but ... I don't want to ^^ |
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| 20:59.50 | utab | @Hans_Zero: while updating some packages broke my system |
| 20:59.56 | Hans_Zero | utab so you run a livecd mount the partitions and copy your data? |
| 21:00.24 | Hans_Zero | utab or do you want to repair the system? |
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| 21:00.45 | phy1729 | Hans_Zero: maybe drop all the in-targets and just make a long shell line with && |
| 21:00.49 | Hans_Zero | phy1729 would a script change anything? |
| 21:01.02 | utab | @Hans_Zero: I am not sure if I can do it, I read a lot but seems like a difficult task |
| 21:01.04 | Hans_Zero | phy I could try that... yeah |
| 21:01.10 | phy1729 | Hans_Zero: would mean you don't have to deal with quoting and escaping as much |
| 21:01.18 | phy1729 | which is likely the problem |
| 21:01.21 | Hans_Zero | utab do you have a backup device like a usb disk ? |
| 21:01.27 | sussudio | won't it start up in single user mode? |
| 21:01.42 | Hans_Zero | phy1729 everything works fine... the script stuff at the end does it's job correctly |
| 21:02.28 | Hans_Zero | phy1729 the ipv6 network comes up fine and the ssh keys work like a charm and there's nothing else happening there |
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| 21:03.16 | Hans_Zero | phy1729 I'll check and use && maybe I can see if and where it fails |
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| 21:03.58 | utab | @Hans_Zero: yes, I did an fdisk -l |
| 21:04.25 | utab | @Hans_Zero: and now I can see them but I am not sure what contains what |
| 21:04.40 | Hans_Zero | you can see "them" ? |
| 21:05.02 | Hans_Zero | the partitions? |
| 21:05.04 | utab | @Hans_Zero: well, the list ;-) |
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| 21:05.49 | Hans_Zero | yeah... just note down the device names and mount everything to some temp folders |
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| 21:07.15 | utab | Hans_Zero: I have never done this before backing from the live cd |
| 21:07.42 | Hans_Zero | utab do you know how to mount a partition? |
| 21:07.43 | utab | Hans_Zero: maybe I should first read a bit more |
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| 21:08.04 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, I tried it with |
| 21:08.17 | utab | sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt |
| 21:08.28 | utab | And got some permission errors |
| 21:08.35 | Hans_Zero | you need to create a folder |
| 21:08.38 | utab | morever /mnt is empty |
| 21:08.50 | Hans_Zero | like: mkdir /tmp/sda2 |
| 21:09.00 | Hans_Zero | then sudo mount /dev/sda2 /tmp/sda2 |
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| 21:10.30 | Hans_Zero | you probably could mount it on the /mnt ... but I wouldn't... also if mounting fails try the folowing flag: -o ro |
| 21:10.31 | utab | Hans_Zero: no it is not working |
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| 21:10.42 | utab | Hans_Zero: it is not mounted |
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| 21:11.09 | Hans_Zero | utab try sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda2 /tmp/sda2 |
| 21:11.16 | fryguy_ | i have an eth0 interfaces with 2 static ips associated with it. I want to move eth0 to a bridge interface (for containerization purposes), how can I maintain the static IPs? I currently have this in my interfaces file: https://gist.github.com/bryanalves/e36c94f19242d8f3e0a0 |
| 21:11.39 | Hans_Zero | if it dosn't work copy that error message(s) |
| 21:12.43 | utab | Hans_Zero: same errors :(( |
| 21:12.50 | utab | Hans_Zero: wrong fs type |
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| 21:13.01 | Hans_Zero | utab copy them... show us |
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| 21:13.26 | utab | Hans_Zero: they are on my other laptop |
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| 21:13.46 | utab | Hans_Zero: I can not boot into but the line starts like this |
| 21:14.10 | utab | Hans_Zero: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2 |
| 21:14.27 | utab | Hans_Zero: missing codepage or helper program, ... |
| 21:14.54 | utab | Hans_Zero: well, the messages from the mount command |
| 21:15.14 | Hans_Zero | ok then use fdisk or parted to check which filesystem it is |
| 21:15.14 | Hans_Zero | and try "sudo mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /tmp/sda2" or whatever it actually is appropriately |
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| 21:25.06 | Sarch | Hello. I use Crunchbang, which is in fact Debian Wheezy with openbox and tint2 out-of-the-box. I want to update to Jessie without reinstalling my OS. So, is that possible : https://0x0.st/sTM.png ? Do I just have to replace my Wheezy repositories by Jessie ones ? |
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| 21:26.13 | Hans_Zero | Sarch probably yes but you should check with the Crunchbang people if there are problems with dependancies |
| 21:26.14 | xand | !crunchbang |
| 21:26.14 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 21:27.47 | Sarch | Hans_Zero: Alright, thanks ! :-) |
| 21:27.53 | utab | Hans_Zero: I used a standard live CD but I was wondering if that would help to make things easier if I use a gnome version or not |
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| 21:28.26 | utab | Hans_Zero: what I do not get, the same mounting problem will also be there I guess |
| 21:29.17 | Hans_Zero | utab it's irrelevant which graphical environment you use for the livecd for purposes of mounting a partition and copying data from it |
| 21:29.21 | transhuman__ | anyone know how to rename a mysql database from one without underscores to one with underscores and periods? |
| 21:29.27 | utab | Hans_Zero: the main problem was as I told was that the system was not able to locate the libsepol.1.so |
| 21:29.42 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, I can understand that |
| 21:29.54 | Hans_Zero | utab you could probably mount the partitions and chroot into the environment and fix it... |
| 21:30.21 | utab | Hans_Zero: I can not mount them now |
| 21:30.22 | Hans_Zero | utab that requires some linux knowledge though |
| 21:30.31 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes |
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| 21:30.49 | utab | Hans_Zero: I read about chroot in the last couple of hours |
| 21:30.50 | Hans_Zero | utab did you find out which type of file system it uses? |
| 21:31.09 | utab | Hans_Zero: good question, how |
| 21:31.23 | Hans_Zero | fdisk should tell you |
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| 21:31.51 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, ;-) |
| 21:32.00 | utab | Hans_Zero: dev/sda2 Extende |
| 21:32.02 | utab | Hans_Zero: dev/sda2 Extended |
| 21:32.08 | Hans_Zero | ... |
| 21:32.16 | utab | Hans_Zero: and dev/sda6 Linux |
| 21:32.35 | Hans_Zero | are those the only 2? |
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| 21:32.53 | utab | Hans_Zero:there is sda1 as Linux and sda5 as swap |
| 21:33.01 | Hans_Zero | you can't mount extended partitions only primary or logical ones (iirc) |
| 21:33.04 | utab | Hans_Zero: that is all |
| 21:33.11 | Hans_Zero | so no 3 and 4 ? |
| 21:33.21 | transhuman__ | utab try -t auto |
| 21:33.45 | utab | Hans_Zero: 3 does not start on physical sector boundary |
| 21:33.53 | transhuman__ | mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 21:33.58 | utab | Hans_Zero: apparently no 4 |
| 21:34.05 | jantwisted | I'm having problems while disabling touchpad in Debian jessie with synaptic. Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 21:34.34 | utab | transhuman__: I tried it before, same error |
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| 21:34.38 | transhuman__ | alternatiively do a sudo fdisk -l and find out what the type of file system it is |
| 21:34.44 | Hans_Zero | jantwisted maybe you just don't have a synaptics touchpad |
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| 21:35.14 | transhuman__ | did you try upgrading the live cd to a newer one? |
| 21:35.31 | jantwisted | Hans_Zero, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed |
| 21:35.36 | transhuman__ | maybe with a nightly build one if there is such a thing so it has all the bug fixes |
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| 21:36.38 | Hans_Zero | utab try: sudo file -Ls /dev/sda2 |
| 21:36.39 | transhuman__ | alternatively if you can research and how to increase size of live cd virtual file system size you might be able to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on the live cd first |
| 21:37.01 | Hans_Zero | I mean /dev/sda5 probably |
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| 21:37.42 | Hans_Zero | the extended partition actually is a kind of container and not a file system per se |
| 21:37.50 | utab | Hans_Zero: what should I tell you there |
| 21:37.52 | jantwisted | Hans_Zero, if I don't have a synaptic touch pad, how can I disable existing one. I just want to disable it while typing |
| 21:37.58 | Hans_Zero | file system type |
| 21:38.14 | Hans_Zero | jantwisted I don't know I use debian only for server stuff |
| 21:38.18 | utab | Hans_Zero: extended partition table |
| 21:38.23 | transhuman__ | you also might try copying the data off of it with gparted to another hard drive mounted in same system. when it creates the new partition it might fix it for you |
| 21:38.26 | Hans_Zero | utab yeah try sda5 |
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| 21:38.45 | jantwisted | ok thanks |
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| 21:38.57 | utab | Hans_Zero: swap file -> sda5 |
| 21:39.08 | Hans_Zero | ... |
| 21:39.16 | Hans_Zero | my bad |
| 21:39.18 | Hans_Zero | sda6 |
| 21:39.26 | Hans_Zero | ^^ |
| 21:40.03 | utab | Hans_Zero: sda6 ext4 |
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| 21:40.18 | Hans_Zero | ok try mounting that one |
| 21:40.25 | utab | Hans_Zero: sda1 and sda6 both ext4 |
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| 21:40.45 | utab | Hans_Zero: I already tried that with -t ext4 but no luck |
| 21:40.49 | Hans_Zero | sda1 is probably the boot partition so try sda6 first |
| 21:41.13 | Hans_Zero | you tried sudo mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sda6 /mnt ? |
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| 21:42.18 | utab | Hans_Zero: nope, wait a second |
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| 21:42.55 | squinty | jantwisted, might seem silly but.... have you checked the Settings -> mouse and touchpad -> touchpad -> disable while typing? |
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| 21:43.06 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes |
| 21:43.10 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok |
| 21:43.14 | Hans_Zero | :D |
| 21:43.36 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok, how can I understand if this is all my home directory or not |
| 21:43.49 | utab | Hans_Zero: is is for sure all |
| 21:43.53 | Hans_Zero | cd into the folder and type ls |
| 21:43.54 | utab | Hans_Zero: there |
| 21:44.05 | jantwisted | squinty, it gives only mouse settings |
| 21:44.10 | Hans_Zero | your home directory should be under home/utab/ |
| 21:44.44 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, seems like, but maybe a bit naive question but can some part be written on different partitions? Maybe a stupid question |
| 21:44.49 | utab | Hans_Zero: ;P |
| 21:45.15 | Hans_Zero | utab your home directory usually is on one partition |
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| 21:45.43 | Timmy | how can I send a broadcasting message to a machine in the local network? tools like wall can only broadcast a message on a single machine with multiple users |
| 21:45.52 | Hans_Zero | depending on your setup maybe your /home/ folder is a single partition and everything else is on another one (like sda1) |
| 21:46.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, when I was creating the partition table on that laptop for almost two years ago, I remember I used a separate partition for home |
| 21:47.07 | Hans_Zero | utab then one partition should be the root folder (/) and the other one should be home (/home/) |
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| 21:47.26 | Hans_Zero | sda1 being / and sda6 being /home/ |
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| 21:48.00 | utab | Hans_Zero: I guess you are correct |
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| 21:48.25 | Hans_Zero | I sometimes am ;) |
| 21:48.29 | utab | Hans_Zero: so I guess I can back up the complete home folder to be sure |
| 21:48.38 | Hans_Zero | yeah |
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| 21:48.56 | utab | Hans_Zero: I did a du -sh on the user_name |
| 21:49.08 | utab | Hans_Zero: and seems like 270G |
| 21:49.16 | utab | Hans_Zero: so should be correct |
| 21:49.20 | Hans_Zero | you could also mount sda1 somewhere mount the home folder inside and then chroot into it and try to fix everything |
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| 21:49.42 | utab | Hans_Zero: I should mount my external drive and copy them there I guess |
| 21:49.54 | transhuman__ | rsync -avz -e 'ssh' /home(old) user@remotehost:/path/to/remote/home(new) |
| 21:50.21 | utab | transhuman__: is this for me |
| 21:50.25 | transhuman__ | yeah |
| 21:50.31 | utab | transhuman__: ;-) |
| 21:50.56 | Hans_Zero | it's probably a good idea to use rsync |
| 21:51.06 | transhuman__ | of course you will need apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 21:51.28 | transhuman__ | scp -r /path/to/local/dir user@remotehost:/path/to/remote/dir |
| 21:51.32 | utab | transhuman__: but for my little knowledge base |
| 21:52.20 | utab | transhuman__:what is the remote host in this case |
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| 21:52.35 | transhuman__ | are they mounted on the same system? |
| 21:52.39 | transhuman__ | both drives i mean |
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| 21:53.05 | utab | transhuman__: no, I am on my old laptop and the other one is my screwed laptop |
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| 21:53.25 | utab | transhuman__: which I am trying to copy my data from |
| 21:53.29 | transhuman__ | need to install openssh-server and do sudo ifconfig and get ip address |
| 21:54.14 | transhuman__ | where remotehost is the ip address of destination |
| 21:54.29 | Hans_Zero | utab I'ld stick with usb drive for simplicity... |
| 21:54.55 | utab | Hans_Zero: seems like that is the best option for now |
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| 21:55.08 | utab | Hans_Zero: would be much faster also I believe |
| 21:55.11 | transhuman__ | anyways thats my two cents sorry for getting in way Hans_Zero you handle it ...just figured I would help...sorry |
| 21:55.25 | utab | transhuman__: no no that is fine |
| 21:55.35 | Hans_Zero | transhuman__ no... it's good advise |
| 21:55.39 | utab | transhuman__: thx anyway |
| 21:55.58 | Hans_Zero | I just think utab has as many new linux stuff in his head as he can handle |
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| 21:56.14 | Hans_Zero | no intention for insult |
| 21:56.22 | utab | Hans_Zero: right, rsync is for another time |
| 21:56.30 | transhuman__ | also its a little more advance but you can use gparted to copy partitions across network , you just need to install AOE its easier than it sounds I built a set of live cd's that does it |
| 21:56.35 | jon__ | hi. which package is the typist program in? |
| 21:56.39 | jon__ | jessie |
| 21:56.40 | utab | Hans_Zero: I just backup and get my system back asap |
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| 21:57.42 | utab | Hans_Zero: Thx |
| 21:57.46 | Hans_Zero | np |
| 21:57.53 | utab | transhuman__: Thx also |
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| 21:58.35 | utab | Hans_Zero: let me see if I can start the back up without problems ;) |
| 21:59.01 | transhuman__ | Hans_Zero, you wouldnt know how to rename a sql database with simple old name to one with periods and underscores...phpmyadmin doesnt seem to do it and it seems to get lost in any of the scripts i have found |
| 21:59.13 | squinty | jantwisted, in a terminal type dconf-editor then migrate to org > gnome > settings-daemon > peripherals > touchpad > disable while typing see if that helps |
| 21:59.30 | Hans_Zero | transhuman__ the same way you would rename every other sql table |
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| 22:00.06 | jon__ | judd find typist jessie |
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| 22:00.46 | Hans_Zero | transhuman: RENAME TABLE tbl_name TO new_tbl_name; |
| 22:00.53 | transhuman__ | I swear it gets lost in the translation and does funky things like translating my_sql_db to my with sql under it with db under that |
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| 22:01.32 | transhuman__ | I will try that |
| 22:01.34 | transhuman__ | thanks |
| 22:01.37 | Hans_Zero | meaning this should work: RENAME TABLE oldname TO 'fany_new.name'; |
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| 22:01.57 | transhuman__ | not table but databases sorry I think i miss wrote that |
| 22:02.16 | Hans_Zero | oh... |
| 22:02.30 | Hans_Zero | https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/rename-database.html |
| 22:02.55 | Hans_Zero | RENAME DATABASE db_name TO new_db_name; |
| 22:03.26 | jon__ | you may wish to try postgres, it's not that hard |
| 22:03.26 | transhuman__ | use of this statement could result in loss of database contents, which is why it was removed. Do not use RENAME DATABASE in earlier versions in which it is present. |
| 22:03.40 | minitrue | hey anyone using mutt with multiples accounts? |
| 22:03.50 | transhuman__ | dont worry thanks I will figure it out |
| 22:04.12 | transhuman__ | there has to be a copy move script out there that properly handles periods and underscores |
| 22:04.16 | jon__ | , find bin/typist |
| 22:04.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: Ok, I bump into another small problem, I hope |
| 22:04.38 | utab | Hans_Zero: now, I plugged in my external hard drive |
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| 22:04.59 | Hans_Zero | utab ... I assumed you'ld do that |
| 22:05.08 | Hans_Zero | ;) |
| 22:05.25 | utab | Hans_Zero: and checked the file system as you have suggested however it seems that it has hpfs/ntfs/exFAT |
| 22:05.33 | Hans_Zero | yeah |
| 22:05.41 | utab | Hans_Zero: these are windows types, I believe |
| 22:05.47 | Hans_Zero | yeah |
| 22:06.02 | Hans_Zero | actually microsoft... but there's little difference |
| 22:06.30 | Hans_Zero | so... ? |
| 22:06.31 | utab | Hans_Zero: well, ok, I tried -t auto to mount and mounted that |
| 22:06.37 | Hans_Zero | good |
| 22:06.50 | utab | Hans_Zero: but now I can get into that directory |
| 22:06.53 | utab | Hans_Zero: :( |
| 22:06.58 | utab | Hans_Zero: why?? |
| 22:06.59 | Hans_Zero | can or can't ? |
| 22:07.04 | utab | Hans_Zero: not |
| 22:07.14 | Hans_Zero | ^^ |
| 22:07.17 | utab | Hans_Zero: let me see for sure |
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| 22:07.35 | Hans_Zero | try typing "mount" into a terminal and check where it's mounted |
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| 22:09.04 | utab | Hans_Zero: indeed it is mounted with -t auto as /tmp/usb_harddrive with ntfs type |
| 22:09.13 | jon__ | how can I search for a particular binary (typist) in a package? there's no more udd bot? is udd itself gone too? |
| 22:09.17 | utab | Hans_Zero: and it is not accesible which is logical |
| 22:09.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: I guess |
| 22:09.29 | utab | Hans_Zero: is it |
| 22:09.44 | Hans_Zero | ... just try to access it... it should be accessible |
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| 22:10.20 | utab | Hans_Zero: if I try to cd to that, got a Permission denied error |
| 22:10.46 | Hans_Zero | ok utab try "sudo -i" and then try to access it |
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| 22:11.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok, indeed, what is this doing |
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| 22:11.42 | utab | Hans_Zero: I can find myself but this is quicker at least for now |
| 22:12.06 | utab | Hans_Zero: shall I do the back up under the root |
| 22:12.08 | Hans_Zero | sudo -i gives you root privileges |
| 22:12.17 | Hans_Zero | sudo does it for a single command |
| 22:12.25 | Hans_Zero | -i is for interactive |
| 22:12.31 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok |
| 22:12.35 | Hans_Zero | and opens a root shell |
| 22:12.35 | utab | Hans_Zero: clear |
| 22:13.23 | Hans_Zero | so everything you do from that point on is with root privileges until you hit ctrl+d or type "exit" |
| 22:13.35 | utab | Hans_Zero: what is not clear to me I could mount the sda6 with sudo |
| 22:13.49 | Hans_Zero | yes |
| 22:13.54 | utab | Hans_Zero: but I could use the same with the usb |
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| 22:14.10 | utab | Hans_Zero: I could not use the same with the usb drive |
| 22:14.12 | Hans_Zero | I think you are missing a "not" somehwere |
| 22:14.16 | Hans_Zero | ok |
| 22:14.26 | Hans_Zero | usb devices usually have different names... |
| 22:14.43 | Hans_Zero | soemtimes as easy as /dev/sdb1 sometimes totally strange ones |
| 22:14.56 | utab | Hans_Zero: hmmm ok, it seems /dev/sdc1 |
| 22:14.59 | utab | Hans_Zero: for the moment |
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| 22:15.48 | Hans_Zero | also drivers ... which is huge topic on it's own... can be different or behave different |
| 22:15.59 | utab | Hans_Zero: one more important question, so will there be a problem with permissions if I copy with the root account |
| 22:16.17 | utab | Hans_Zero: to the usb drive |
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| 22:16.50 | utab | Hans_Zero: I realized that I did a back up two weeks ago which is not that far, I see it on the external usb fdrive |
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| 22:16.58 | Hans_Zero | no... you basically can't save the permissions because the usb drive isn't a linux partition.... |
| 22:17.03 | Hans_Zero | if it were... you would just copy permissions as they are... root dosn't change anything about that in this circumstance |
| 22:17.34 | utab | Hans_Zero: indeed, it was a naive question, it a simple copy at the end, transferred as is |
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| 22:17.59 | Hans_Zero | utab better to ask then ... I dunno |
| 22:18.21 | utab | Hans_Zero: ?? ask what |
| 22:18.35 | Hans_Zero | the naive questions |
| 22:18.43 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, agreed |
| 22:18.44 | Hans_Zero | or just about everything you don't know |
| 22:18.58 | Hans_Zero | theres many ways to copy stuff in linux... some do change stuff in certain ways |
| 22:19.00 | utab | Hans_Zero: no I guess it is crystal clear now |
| 22:19.08 | utab | Hans_Zero: I can start copying the data |
| 22:19.38 | utab | Hans_Zero: I will just perform a tar.gz the home directory |
| 22:20.30 | utab | Hans_Zero: that is what I will write to the external drive |
| 22:20.30 | Hans_Zero | if that works for you do that |
| 22:20.50 | Hans_Zero | that might even preserve permissions |
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| 22:21.12 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes, that is the simplest for now then I can reinstall the system, instead of trying to solve the problem |
| 22:21.18 | Hans_Zero | ok |
| 22:21.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: that would be nice to learn more but I am a bit in a hurry |
| 22:21.51 | Hans_Zero | one usually is when such problems occur |
| 22:21.54 | squinty | jon__, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 22:21.56 | Hans_Zero | ^^ |
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| 22:24.27 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok, now another problem with tar ;-) |
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| 22:24.54 | Hans_Zero | ... please not |
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| 22:25.21 | utab | Hans_Zero: ;-) |
| 22:25.25 | Hans_Zero | obvious xkcd link https://xkcd.com/1168/ |
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| 22:25.59 | jantwisted | thanks squinty, it works :) |
| 22:27.46 | utab | Hans_Zero: I am trying to tar -zcvf /path/to/target/file.tgz home(old) |
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| 22:28.45 | Hans_Zero | I'm waiting for the catch |
| 22:29.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: Ok, I got the catch, the file system of the usb is read-only of course you can not write on that |
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| 22:30.49 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok, I should remount it I guess |
| 22:30.51 | Hans_Zero | ok it is write only? |
| 22:30.54 | Hans_Zero | gimme a sec |
| 22:31.01 | utab | Hans_Zero: read-only |
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| 22:31.09 | equa | you need ntfs-3g or ntfsmount to write on ntfs |
| 22:31.45 | utab | equa: ok I see |
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| 22:32.46 | Hans_Zero | you can try if this helps:sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point |
| 22:32.57 | Hans_Zero | if not try apt-get install ntfs-3g and then unmount and remount the partition |
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| 22:33.38 | utab | Hans_Zero: I was about to install ntfs-3g, right at the stop |
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| 22:34.29 | Hans_Zero | go ahead |
| 22:35.15 | Hans_Zero | (this for example is a user space file system driver using fuser and therefore behaves differently in a couple of ways) |
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| 22:40.34 | utab | Hans_Zero: ok how shall I use now ntfsXXX to mount usb drive |
| 22:40.57 | Hans_Zero | you use a livecd right? |
| 22:41.03 | utab | Hans_Zero: there is an ntfsscp |
| 22:41.05 | utab | Hans_Zero: yes |
| 22:41.21 | Hans_Zero | try unmounting it with graphical interface and the just unplug it and plug it back in see if it does it automatically |
| 22:41.44 | utab | I do not have the graphical |
| 22:41.52 | utab | I have the standard command line |
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| 22:43.10 | Hans_Zero | ok unmount the stick |
| 22:43.20 | Hans_Zero | with sudo umount /mount/point |
| 22:43.35 | Hans_Zero | or sudo umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 22:44.02 | Hans_Zero | and then I think mount it again with -t ntfs-3g |
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| 22:44.51 | utab | Hans_Zero: I did ntfs-3g /usb_device /mnt |
| 22:44.58 | utab | Hans_Zero: seems to work |
| 22:45.08 | utab | Hans_Zero: of course, first unmounted |
| 22:45.16 | utab | Hans_Zero: before ntfs-3g |
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| 22:46.24 | utab | Hans_Zero: seems like tar is doing its job now |
| 22:46.55 | Hans_Zero | utab nice |
| 22:46.58 | utab | Hans_Zero: thx, I can look at my drive 2-3 hours later |
| 22:47.05 | Hans_Zero | hopefully |
| 22:47.21 | utab | Hans_Zero: fingers crossed |
| 22:47.29 | utab | Hans_Zero: ;-) good night |
| 22:47.52 | Hans_Zero | good night |
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| 22:57.42 | Dan39 | is there no way to install "at" without a sendmail? :| |
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| 22:58.35 | Hans_Zero | you could try --install-no-recommends or whatever that switch was |
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| 22:59.16 | Dan39 | success |
| 22:59.18 | Dan39 | :D |
| 22:59.20 | Dan39 | thanks Hans_Zero |
| 22:59.23 | Hans_Zero | de nada |
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| 23:17.46 | dvs | steals the password |
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| 23:20.45 | Dan39 | seriously |
| 23:20.47 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 23:22.04 | tacomaster | Hey I have a BCM4311 Wifi card and a BCM4401 ethernet. I am trying to do the steps listed here https://wiki.debian.org/wl but it only breaks my Ethernet connection and it never fixes my wifi to work. Any ideas to try? |
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| 23:24.57 | tacomaster | To be honest I don't care if it breaks my ethernet if the wifi works |
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| 23:27.04 | equa | tacomaster: have you unload conflicting modules and loaded the mod wl? |
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| 23:27.47 | tacomaster | equa: yes but it only stops my ethernet from working and my wifi never shows in nm-applet |
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| 23:28.18 | equa | tacomaster: read the known issue. it states that it will blacklist your ethernet b44 by default |
| 23:28.32 | equa | tacomaster: what's the output of ip a |
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| 23:29.21 | tacomaster | It shows lo and eth0 |
| 23:29.31 | tacomaster | no wlan0 |
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| 23:29.39 | equa | tacomaster: lsmod | grep wl |
| 23:30.02 | tacomaster | wl 6087369 0 |
| 23:30.02 | tacomaster | cfg80211 350041 1 wl |
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| 23:31.16 | squinty | installed the firmware? see https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43_and_b43legacy |
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| 23:32.16 | tacomaster | squinty: yes i have |
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| 23:33.08 | neldogz | What is the native window manager for Debian? (or one best supported?) |
| 23:33.11 | equa | tacomaster: you installed both wl and firmware-b43-install? |
| 23:33.40 | tacomaster | equa: I tried the wl first then firmware-b43-install |
| 23:33.45 | mtn | neldogz, all of them, pretty much |
| 23:34.23 | equa | tacomaster: do lspci -nn and paste the output of your wifi on paste.debian.net |
| 23:34.29 | squinty | tacomaster, there is a troubleshooting section on that page you may want to work through |
| 23:34.49 | neldogz | mtn, thank you. Would running Debian Stretch be somewhat equivalent to running Ubuntu? |
| 23:35.16 | mtn | neldogz, in what way? |
| 23:35.34 | neldogz | mtn, software level without all the Ubuntu bloat? |
| 23:35.39 | tacomaster | http://paste.debian.net/286346/ |
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| 23:36.06 | mtn | neldogz, you mean how new things are? you can take a look at software at http://packages.debian.org |
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| 23:36.10 | BurgerIsFreedom | if you send a packet to 255.255.255.255, does it get sent to that specific ip address, or does it get broadcast to every IP on the network? |
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| 23:36.19 | phogg | neldogz: it's a rather impossible question to answer without knowing what you know (and care) about how things work. |
| 23:36.23 | mtn | neldogz, and you can make debian as bloated as you want ;) |
| 23:36.30 | neldogz | mtn, thank you |
| 23:36.36 | neldogz | phogg, understood |
| 23:37.43 | neldogz | BurgerIsFreedom, i think you want to send a broadcast ping to for example 192.168.1.255 |
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| 23:38.23 | BurgerIsFreedom | neldogz, so, a broadcast ping, to 192.168.1.255, would send the ping to every IP from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254? |
| 23:38.32 | tacomaster | I had also ran "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms" at the first which is requested by debian wl page |
| 23:38.43 | neldogz | BurgerIsFreedom, that is correct |
| 23:38.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | neldogz, much appreciated |
| 23:39.02 | equa | tacomaster: you should be using the wl driver only |
| 23:39.45 | tacomaster | equa: thats what was said to do on the debian wl page |
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| 23:40.06 | equa | tacomaster: have you ran modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac |
| 23:40.43 | tacomaster | equa: I have done it before but it just kills my eth0 internet and never does anything for my wifi even after I modprobe wl |
| 23:41.04 | neldogz | phogg, I enjoy Ubuntu but don't like all the bloat. I understand Ubuntu is based off of Debian Stretch so I was curious if I just ran Stretch if that would be somewhat equivalent. |
| 23:41.19 | equa | tacomaster: do those steps again and then do ip a |
| 23:41.22 | neldogz | phogg, minus the bloat of course |
| 23:41.31 | tacomaster | Ok brb it will probably kick me |
| 23:42.29 | tacomaster | equa: it only shows lo when i do the modprobe -r then modprobe wl |
| 23:42.30 | mtn | neldogz, you can find many reviews of debian online. distrowatch is a good place to start |
| 23:43.00 | equa | tacomaster: do dmesg and check for errors on the wifi |
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| 23:43.23 | neldogz | mtn, thanks, I am familiar with Distrowatch, maybe I can compare the software versioning on there, |
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| 23:44.26 | mtn | neldogz, yes, you can |
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| 23:49.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | (from syslog) localhost wpa_supplicant[1083]: nl80211: send_and_recv->nl_recvmsgs failed: -33 |
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| 23:50.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | i am unable to make make successful dns requests... could that be why? |
| 23:50.15 | BurgerIsFreedom | i've used logging to determine it isn't my firewall |
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| 23:52.47 | MadMan2021 | Thank you everyone who helped me earlier with my issue regarding the dependacy with glibc |
| 23:53.11 | MadMan2021 | I've updated my server to jessie sucessfully and everything is running alright :). I'm off now guys night |
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