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| 00:11.48 | BurgerIsFreedom | what's the DNS process in debian? anyone got a flowchart? |
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| 00:12.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | i have a system that is connected to the internet, but can't make DNS requests. logging shows that it is not a firewall issue. |
| 00:13.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | there are multiple dns entries, so the problem is not a server being down |
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| 00:14.52 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: does host command work? |
| 00:15.09 | Dan39 | pastebin /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:15.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | it is blocking incoming broadcasts from the router on port 137.... but I can't see that being the issue |
| 00:16.11 | Dan39 | whats "dig google.com" say? |
| 00:16.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | nameserver 8.20.247.20 nameserver 8.26.56.26... both of which I can ping. |
| 00:16.57 | BurgerIsFreedom | dig times out; no servers could be reached |
| 00:17.05 | Dan39 | those nameservers work fine for me |
| 00:17.11 | Dan39 | there is no other nameserver in there? |
| 00:17.16 | BurgerIsFreedom | what host command did you want me to try? |
| 00:17.26 | BurgerIsFreedom | there used to be 192.168.10.1... I will add it back |
| 00:17.26 | Dan39 | dont worry about host command |
| 00:17.29 | Dan39 | dig is better :P |
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| 00:17.50 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: try "dig @8.8.8.8 google.com" |
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| 00:18.47 | BurgerIsFreedom | 1 server found; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 00:18.59 | Dan39 | well aint that weird |
| 00:19.14 | Dan39 | iptables -nvL |
| 00:19.48 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: ^^^ |
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| 00:20.47 | BurgerIsFreedom | k... going to take me a minute to pastebin that, since I have to USB stick it |
| 00:21.19 | Dan39 | dam thats annoying |
| 00:21.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | you're not going to like what I paste |
| 00:21.32 | Dan39 | haha |
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| 00:21.39 | Dan39 | is it blank? |
| 00:21.46 | BurgerIsFreedom | far from it |
| 00:21.59 | Dan39 | who setup the iptables rules? :o |
| 00:22.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | me |
| 00:22.24 | Dan39 | o |
| 00:22.38 | Dan39 | may have been nice to add --line-numbers if there is a lot |
| 00:22.57 | BurgerIsFreedom | ... |
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| 00:24.23 | Dan39 | sounds like it must be an iptables problem :o |
| 00:25.22 | Dan39 | well, a rules problem i should say |
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| 00:27.25 | BurgerIsFreedom | http://paste.debian.net/plainh/1b81da74 |
| 00:27.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | i don't think so, since I have logged pretty much every drop other than multicast |
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| 00:28.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | and this is only lightly modified from a ruleset that I have functioning fine on the current system i am using |
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| 00:32.01 | BurgerIsFreedom | the only drops that come up in my logs are UDP broadcasts to/from port 138 originating from the routers on my network.... but I can't see that being the issue, since I can get internet access fine |
| 00:32.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | other than DNS |
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| 00:33.21 | arda_turan26 | Hi! |
| 00:33.40 | El_Presidente | hi, i try to set up an openvpn client config on my debian 8.1 if i run the openvpn config with root rights openvpn --config test.conf a tun interface is created, if i use service openvpn start, no tun is created what can i do? |
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| 00:35.14 | claudiop | Hi. I used to administer a server with Arch (it wasn't that bad as it sounds). Previous ISP screwed and I moved on. The new one doesn't provides Arch, and so I went with Debian instead of trying to hack all over the place to make it run Arch. |
| 00:35.19 | claudiop | To begin with, I tried to find guides to setup a basic nginx environment with the usual. For some reason the guide told me to add the nginx repo, instead of using debian's repos. Why's that? To have the latest version? |
| 00:36.51 | rabbitear | claudiop: probably, you could if it makes sense to you, use backports |
| 00:37.14 | rabbitear | http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 00:37.47 | claudiop | rabbitear, So whats the difference between the backports repo and the nginx repo itself? |
| 00:37.56 | claudiop | They are both tested against debian, thats for sure |
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| 00:38.55 | claudiop | Right now I just want something that works, to avoid the pain of having to debug everything once something updates and the config changes |
| 00:39.12 | claudiop | But under Arch Nginx seemes pretty consistent. Even with constant updates never broke anything |
| 00:39.24 | claudiop | So either repo under debian should be ok, correct? |
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| 00:40.32 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, there are some TCP flags being blocked, and related connections are not allowed in by default... the tcp flags being blocked wouldn't effect DNS, but would "related" connection blocking on the INPUT chain do it? |
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| 00:41.19 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, the other system (this one) i am using doesn't do direct dns connections - it uses unbound -> dnscrypt - so maybe blocking "related" connections is the problem. i will experiment momentarily |
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| 00:41.44 | rabbitear | claudiop: if you don't need any newer version, just use the regular debian repo nginx |
| 00:42.20 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: sorry beyond my knowledge :P whats with the tcp flags you are blocking? |
| 00:42.29 | Dan39 | tho tcp shouldnt matter, regular dns queries are over UDP |
| 00:44.46 | claudiop | rabbitear, Lets suppose there was a "OMG, CRITICAL NGINX EXPLOIT WHICH PROVIDES ROOT ACCESS" sort of bug somewhere in the future. How long of a delay would the debian repo have after the nginx official repo is updated with the fix? |
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| 00:45.02 | claudiop | Since debian is widely used for servers we're talking about hours, not days, correct? |
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| 00:46.00 | n-st | hi, i just encrypted the rootfs of a test vm with the usual cryptsetup+luks+lvm combination. is it normal to get a 'Volume group "test" not found' error during boot (right before the dm-crypt password prompt)? |
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| 00:46.05 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, these are the TCP input blocks. mostly to do with spoofing established/related connections or requesting connections I believe. http://paste.debian.net/plainh/4a52332f |
| 00:46.20 | rabbitear | claudiop: if you have debian security repo's the omg exploits should be patched |
| 00:46.26 | Dan39 | claudiop: recently the major exploits ive seen were found by non-crminials and reported it to distros before releasing it publicly, and the distros had it fixed before public release |
| 00:46.46 | BurgerIsFreedom | rabbitear, he's asking how quickly they get patched after for example nginx releases a patch |
| 00:47.12 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, that takes all the fun out of new exploits |
| 00:47.15 | claudiop | Yea, because since debian has lots of quality testing, wouldn't it delay the patch? |
| 00:47.29 | claudiop | Or such cases are exceptions? |
| 00:47.30 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: why do you think iptables has 0 matches for the udp port 53 outgoing rule? :P |
| 00:48.02 | maazu | n-st: can you turn off the verbosity of cryptsetup-luks? |
| 00:48.38 | maazu | n-st: only be concerned about error messages after dm-crypt prompt for password |
| 00:48.39 | rabbitear | claudiop: nginx probably is pretty vetted, same as apache |
| 00:49.28 | claudiop | rabbitear, same way as openssl, bash, and some other critical system parts? :p |
| 00:49.31 | n-st | maazu: not sure if that's even cryptsetup complaining or if it wouldn't be something from grub, lvm or systemd that tries to access the decrypted mapper before it exists |
| 00:49.34 | claudiop | But its ok, i'll take it ;) |
| 00:49.47 | n-st | this is my first attempt at something like this, so i've got no clue where to look |
| 00:49.56 | lman | claudiop: there has been cases that the bug is corrected minutes after the bug is discovered, but only in cases of severe risk |
| 00:50.14 | n-st | and it's working flawlessly when i enter the password, so i'm not sure if i should even worry about it |
| 00:50.15 | rabbitear | claudiop: and, also you knew about those while they happened ;) |
| 00:50.32 | lman | if there is not a security flaw the bug could stay for ever |
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| 00:50.33 | maazu | n-st: read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup-luks/readme.txt or anything in that directory |
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| 00:51.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, 37 2143 ACCEPT udp -- * wlan0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:53 |
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| 00:51.56 | Dan39 | o i see |
| 00:51.59 | Dan39 | different interface |
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| 00:52.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | yeah I'm running with just wlan0 until I get this dns issue resolved |
| 00:52.35 | claudiop | lman, That answers. I was in doubt if the fix would need to go through the eyes of 99% of the debian experts and some weird voodoo thing before reaching the repo no matter what. If there are cases where its fixed minutes after then im fine with it |
| 00:52.41 | Dan39 | what happens if you clear the rules BurgerIsFreedom ? |
| 00:52.48 | n-st | maazu: i think you mean /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.Debian.gz, actually ;) |
| 00:53.01 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, my system gets owned by the NSA |
| 00:53.03 | Dan39 | start simple process of elimination haha |
| 00:53.04 | maazu | n-st: :) smart |
| 00:53.16 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: just for a minute to test |
| 00:53.30 | Dan39 | why would you be that worried? o_O |
| 00:54.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, would you just try heroin once? |
| 00:54.16 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, the nsa? |
| 00:54.17 | Dan39 | maybe |
| 00:54.17 | n-st | hey, they even put the dropbear-remote-unlock stuff in there! :) |
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| 00:54.55 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: you cant clear it for just 5 seconds to try? |
| 00:55.07 | bazhang | BurgerIsFreedom, what evidence do you have of this |
| 00:55.38 | Dan39 | if you are that worried, get dns on other pc on lan and test on an isolated switch? :{P |
| 00:55.58 | wsky | tehy still can own it |
| 00:56.20 | lman | claudiop: it doesn't work that way, every package has a person behind who is responsible for security patches and updates and is in the obligation of attending seucirities patches fast, so he doesn't need to ask the entire debian organiztion for that |
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| 00:57.12 | lman | but if that person is unavialbe, yes, there may be a significat delay |
| 00:58.03 | claudiop | lman, But doesn't that means that the package is only tested against that person system? |
| 00:58.46 | claudiop | Lets say that a critical package (the kernel) works fine against the maintainer system, but hat trouble with lots of common hardware due to some flawed patch |
| 00:59.00 | claudiop | Im pretty sure it doesn't happens that way with debian |
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| 00:59.42 | maazu | claudiop: always put a human in the loop so that you can blame someone when there is a problem |
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| 01:00.21 | rabbitear | lol |
| 01:00.27 | lman | claudiop: sure, that is why there are unstable and testing versions, but we are talking here about security problems only |
| 01:00.37 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: so are you going to try without the rules? :P |
| 01:00.57 | Dan39 | for 5 seconds haha |
| 01:00.59 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 01:01.17 | Dan39 | well g2g |
| 01:01.19 | Dan39 | peace |
| 01:01.29 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, if I do, I'll generate a iptables script that will log all connections made during that period, and the script will do the ping, then re-enable |
| 01:01.57 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: lol are you a target or something |
| 01:02.32 | claudiop | I was curious mostly due to recent problems with untested (well, not enough) kernel bugfixes who screwed a lot of raid systems. If security bugfixes bypass QA, it could mean instability in case something nasty happens, if not it would mean lack of security |
| 01:02.32 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, my tinfoil hat is lead lined |
| 01:02.40 | claudiop | Im just curious about how debian works |
| 01:02.43 | claudiop | Not that paranoid |
| 01:02.58 | Dan39 | BurgerIsFreedom: but it sounds like you have been under attack... |
| 01:03.04 | Dan39 | so... why? :P |
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| 01:04.30 | lman | claudiop: security fixes do not normally influence other areas, I think |
| 01:05.17 | BurgerIsFreedom | Dan39, i grow copious amounts of marijuana and discuss distributing it through encrypted channels on my computer, after multiple VPN hops (thus the redaction of IPs of the inner hops). I also use my system to criticise my government, advocate for banking reform through sometimes violent means. thus, I could get v& for my speech, and if I am not on a short list already, a firewall issue could get me on one. |
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| 01:05.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | usually I would not mention that in #debian because j3lly will ban me lol |
| 01:05.47 | Dan39 | interesting indeed |
| 01:06.01 | Dan39 | meh |
| 01:06.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | i particularly like my username, BurgerIsFreedom, so I would prefer not to get it on the #debian ban list |
| 01:06.34 | lman | BurgerIsFreedom: wow that is a confesion |
| 01:07.52 | BurgerIsFreedom | lman, the best confessions are anonymous |
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| 01:09.06 | lman | but, BurgerIsFreedom, after confesing that, if we help you we become supporters of your crimes so we are legally forced to stop helping you |
| 01:09.19 | DK-HaZe | can anyone tell me what a normal speed would be when copying 3GB from a NAS-Raid box though a linux box and to a windows machines external drive ? |
| 01:09.34 | BurgerIsFreedom | lman, yeah, that would be true, but in reality I'm 15 and I live in my mom's basement |
| 01:09.45 | DK-HaZe | would it be higher then 7mbps normally, IMO its looow |
| 01:09.52 | BurgerIsFreedom | lman, I just like to feel unique and special |
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| 01:12.01 | lman | BurgerIsFreedom: do you think you can become the new but better DPR? |
| 01:12.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | lman, no, I do not have the database and scripting skill of DPR |
| 01:13.40 | lman | then they will catch you faster |
| 01:16.04 | DK-HaZe | what is DPR? sounds kinky |
| 01:17.08 | BurgerIsFreedom | lman, no, they wouldn't, because I wouldn't get be able to develop a functioning marketplace to begin with |
| 01:17.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | DK-HaZe, dread pirate roberts |
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| 01:17.52 | jaccob | smplayer2 plays for a second and then mutes. |
| 01:18.10 | jaccob | Just started happenning a moment ago somehow -I can find why |
| 01:19.59 | BurgerIsFreedom | oh crap, my mom is calling me. i've got to go otherwise she'll take my computer. later everyone. |
| 01:20.25 | DK-HaZe | BurgerIsFreedom, that makes no sense to me, when I google it Zorro comes up :/ |
| 01:20.29 | DK-HaZe | muhamuhamuhaaa |
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| 01:22.30 | DK-HaZe | L8'er 8-) |
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| 01:30.19 | whitephoenix | Hey guys I'm having issues install debian 8.1.0 netinst from usb. After selecting language, country, and keyboard (graphicall install) it says no common cd-rom drive was detected, Any combination of yes/no lead to the installation step failing. I'm a linux noob and could use some help as I'm currently without a working os on my main rig. |
| 01:30.59 | dvs | whitephoenix: you copied the image to the usb wrong |
| 01:31.23 | dvs | waits for the "u" word |
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| 01:31.53 | whitephoenix | Interesting, I've used both linuxlive usb and universal usb installer |
| 01:32.16 | whitephoenix | How should I copy it? |
| 01:32.31 | dvs | whitephoenix: Do you have Windows or Linux? |
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| 01:32.53 | whitephoenix | windows |
| 01:33.06 | dvs | Use win32diskimager |
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| 01:34.12 | whitephoenix | Okay... downloading |
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| 01:35.21 | baegle | I'm having trouble finding a canonical answer to this. I want to use urxvt and configure it. Should the configuration variables be in .Xdefaults? This method doesn't seem to work. |
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| 01:52.46 | whitephoenix | The same thing happened |
| 01:52.55 | whitephoenix | no common cd-rom drivewas detected |
| 01:53.35 | slaeshjag | I want to change region/language in Gnome3, but the selection boxes for it only lists US/English. Is there a package I need to install? |
| 01:53.36 | claudiop | Has debian the same TUI utility for configuring packages as does ubuntu? (or any similar tool?) |
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| 01:54.08 | claudiop | I mean, once installed some packages show a TUI to be configured, how can them be reconfigured? |
| 01:54.27 | dvs | whitephoenix: What is the filename of the iso you're trying to write? |
| 01:55.07 | whitephoenix | debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:55.26 | Brigo | claudiop, TUI? |
| 01:55.28 | dvs | Hmmm... That's a good image name. |
| 01:55.40 | claudiop | Bringo, Text user interface, curses |
| 01:55.53 | whitephoenix | I looked at the checksums, they checked out |
| 01:55.56 | Brigo | claudiop, yes, they have. |
| 01:56.09 | claudiop | Bringo, How is it called? |
| 01:56.43 | Brigo | claudiop, i think you can use it directly, but using dpkg |
| 01:57.11 | Brigo | dpkg-reconfigure package will show it. If not try pkg-reconfigure -p low package |
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| 01:58.11 | claudiop | Bringo, thanks ;) |
| 01:58.23 | squinty | whitephoenix, fwiw, just went through the same thing myself only with the dual iso for debian 8.1. Finally just burnt a dvd and things went smoothly from there. I suspect a buglet.... the boot/install screen was missing a couple of options that were displayed in the dvd version as well as the cd screwup |
| 01:59.04 | whitephoenix | squint: awesome, I'll try it, I use the same debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso right? |
| 01:59.05 | Brigo | claudiop, is Brigo, not Bringo :D |
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| 01:59.57 | squinty | whitephoenix, check the web site to see if it works with dvd not sure to be honest. |
| 02:00.09 | claudiop | Brigo, Ohh, I got to get some glasses. Sry ;) Lucky guy I didn't called you bingo :p |
| 02:00.23 | equa | squinty: it does |
| 02:00.31 | Brigo | claudiop, luky me, then :D |
| 02:00.36 | Brigo | lucky* |
| 02:00.50 | whitephoenix | Okay I'll go get a cd and give it a shot |
| 02:01.10 | incal | how can I scale a jpg to have the size of an A4 paper? |
| 02:01.39 | incal | or pass options to lpr to do it that way... |
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| 02:02.41 | squinty | whitephoenix, something else to be potentially aware of is wireless firmware not being found/installed. here it was the firmware for iwl3945 after installation, the system kept generating copious amounts of error messages about it, slowing the system down and thermal problems. once installed the errors went away and stability returned. a couple of other participants were also enquiring about this today here |
| 02:02.49 | squinty | equa, ahhhh.... ok thanks |
| 02:03.06 | whitephoenix | squinty: using ethernet |
| 02:04.03 | squinty | whitephoenix, so was I! ;-) |
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| 02:05.41 | whitephoenix | So show all drives, D: drive for dvd reader thing I assume |
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| 02:06.13 | whitephoenix | Not enough free space... |
| 02:06.45 | whitephoenix | 700mb cd, 247mb iso, not enough space |
| 02:07.33 | squinty | whitephoenix, if burning in windows, try imgburn (freebie) |
| 02:07.48 | whitephoenix | squinty: was just gonna ask about that, thanks |
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| 02:08.43 | squinty | whitephoenix, http://www.imgburn.com/ |
| 02:08.57 | whitephoenix | I got it, thanks |
| 02:09.34 | jon__ | Thanks all... I got what I needed... |
| 02:09.51 | whitephoenix | oh look it comes with free crapware lol |
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| 02:11.52 | squinty | whitephoenix, hmmm... never notice anything of the kind here but then again I installed it a fair number of years ago now. never seen the need to use any other |
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| 02:14.48 | tlolczyk | Is there a way to get a list of files changed or added during an apt-get upgrade or apt-get install? |
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| 02:16.14 | whitephoenix | This is gonna be fun, my $3 optical drive sounds like a blender |
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| 02:16.46 | equa | tlolczyk: check with /var/log/apt/history.log and check out apt-file |
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| 02:19.36 | whitephoenix | oh god the blender noises! |
| 02:19.48 | dvs | jet plane |
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| 02:20.23 | whitephoenix | if its a jet plane then it must be having some severe engine trouble |
| 02:20.59 | dvs | airbus |
| 02:21.27 | whitephoenix | uhh missing firmware files are: rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw load missing firmware from media or no? |
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| 02:22.15 | tlolczyk | equa: Don't scripts in the deb files modify files too? Do those show up in apt-file? |
| 02:22.17 | dvs | ah, if you're using wireless to connect to the internet, you'll need the unofficial firmware iso |
| 02:22.30 | whitephoenix | I'm on ethernet so don't load it? |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | whitephoenix: You don't need it. |
| 02:22.53 | whitephoenix | Okay |
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| 02:23.19 | equa | tlolczyk: they should show up. you can also look at the package online and click the link list of files |
| 02:25.10 | rommel092079 | good day. I have a website which uses ".tk" tld. So far, my website can be seen. Now, I have create ssl cert and key and placed it on default-ssl. This is as far as I know. My problem now is, I dont how to setup this https website so that when the visitor inputs the http website name, it will automatically be directed to https website. hope somebody can help me. |
| 02:25.10 | squinty | whitephoenix, yes you can skip the firmware during the install, but suggest you make sure to install it after default installation is complete or you may end up with a laggind system/over heating as I mentioned previously |
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| 02:26.07 | whitephoenix | network autoconfiguration failed... retry autoconfig, retry auto config with dhcp hostname, or configure manually? If I'm bad at anything with computers, its networking. |
| 02:26.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | ok, so I am still having DNS issues on a system, and I am wondering if it is kernel related. using "host google.com", the host sends the request to 127.0.0.1 on UDP port 53.... by default, what process should be listening? |
| 02:26.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | for reference, I have kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:27.11 | marcelofb | whatsup ppl |
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| 02:28.18 | marcelofb | whitephoenix, you are unable to acess wifi because of missing firmware? |
| 02:28.37 | PryMar56 | I run lsinitramfs on my Jessie initrd.img & I see /etc/e2fsck.conf. This file is not in my filesys. How does it get into the ramfs? |
| 02:28.41 | dvs | marcelofb: he has ethernet |
| 02:29.01 | BurgerIsFreedom | using sudo lsof -nPi | grep \:53 i can find nothing listening on port 53 |
| 02:29.34 | BurgerIsFreedom | why would resolve.conf get ignored and send requests to 127.0.0.1? |
| 02:30.09 | marcelofb | dvs, firmware-realtek package maybe? |
| 02:30.20 | BurgerIsFreedom | running debian 8.1 with xfce --- beware, i am new to xfce |
| 02:30.56 | whitephoenix | using ethernet over powerline setup, idk which option to choose but I have to leave for 10ish minutes |
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| 02:32.55 | marcelofb | and then modprobe |
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| 02:41.23 | whitephoenix | Okay I'm back, what should I do? |
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| 02:41.59 | marcelofb | whitephoenix, you are installing the system and got an error message? |
| 02:42.12 | whitephoenix | Yeah network autoconfig failed |
| 02:43.31 | marcelofb | hum, that happens to me but with wifi |
| 02:43.37 | equa | whitephoenix: install the base system + standard utilities. you can install the driver after. |
| 02:43.46 | marcelofb | if you have wifi and it doesn't fail to start you can install it later |
| 02:44.00 | whitephoenix | equa; you mean 'do not configure the network at this time'? |
| 02:44.09 | equa | whitephoenix: correct |
| 02:44.17 | whitephoenix | Okay |
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| 02:45.12 | whitephoenix | I'm guessing using my root password as a user password is a bad idea? |
| 02:45.42 | marcelofb | right |
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| 02:48.02 | ryouma | some people do the opposite :) (they use sudo) |
| 02:49.19 | whitephoenix | Okay I'm at partition disks now, I have a partition ready so how do I tell debian just to use that? |
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| 02:50.15 | equa | whitephoenix: highlight it. choose fs. choose mount point |
| 02:51.06 | whitephoenix | what mount point do I choose? |
| 02:51.23 | equa | whitephoenix: how many do you have? |
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| 02:51.46 | equa | whitephoenix: how many partitions have you setup for your setup? |
| 02:51.56 | whitephoenix | uhh |
| 02:52.07 | whitephoenix | 19 |
| 02:52.10 | whitephoenix | 10* |
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| 02:52.39 | whitephoenix | 2 of which I actually need |
| 02:53.01 | equa | whitephoenix: any particular reason why you have so many? which ones have you set for your debian installation? |
| 02:53.50 | whitephoenix | I had windows before this, I've been meaning to switch to linux for a while then windows totally crapped out when I tried to update graphics drivers, so I have like EFI recovery and LDM crap |
| 02:54.34 | equa | whitephoenix: you need at least root + swap. |
| 02:54.34 | whitephoenix | also I installed mint and didn't like it, so now I'm here |
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| 02:55.16 | whitephoenix | I have a 512mb swap left over from mint, as well is the partition that mint is on, how do I install over mint? |
| 02:55.44 | equa | whitephoenix: highlight it and choose swap for it |
| 02:56.17 | dvs | swap over the mint partition? |
| 02:56.36 | whitephoenix | no, I have a 30gb mint partition, and a 512mb swap partition |
| 02:56.50 | equa | mint made a swap partition of 512mb. he want to use it as a debian swap partition |
| 02:57.03 | dvs | so choose the swap for swap and / for mint |
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| 02:58.01 | whitephoenix | okay writing changes |
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| 02:58.57 | whitephoenix | the blenders are back |
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| 03:04.33 | whitephoenix | woo I'm done! |
| 03:05.50 | whitephoenix | well this doesn't seem good |
| 03:06.10 | whitephoenix | usb 9-4: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
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| 03:08.00 | TheSov | can someone tell me how in the xinitrc, that if you quit X it just restarts? |
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| 03:11.02 | whitephoenix | usb 9-4: device descriptor read/64, error -32, usb usb9-port4: unable to enumerate usb device, devicenot accepting address 8, error -32 |
| 03:11.07 | whitephoenix | evidently something went wrong lol |
| 03:11.25 | equa | whitephoenix: https://paulphilippov.com/articles/how-to-fix-device-not-accepting-address-error |
| 03:12.36 | TheSov | can anyone help me out with X a little please?, in a xinitrc for the user i have #!/usr/bin/env bash |
| 03:12.36 | TheSov | exec rdesktop -f 10.1.9.190 |
| 03:12.36 | TheSov | exittc |
| 03:12.47 | TheSov | but thats not working as planned |
| 03:13.06 | TheSov | when the user quits the system doesnt reboot, and x doesnt restart |
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| 03:13.49 | TheSov | basically I just want to keep the X session alive, i have already setup the system to boot to login and startx |
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| 03:16.09 | whitephoenix | equa: it did the same thing then at theend said "unable to readconfig index 0 descriptor/start: -32, then choppingto 0 config(s) |
| 03:16.52 | marcelofb | TheSov, have you tried setting up a desktop entry? |
| 03:16.58 | equa | whitephoenix: unplug all the usb devices that you don't need then boot the system |
| 03:17.05 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 03:17.28 | marcelofb | TheSov, and then setting it to autorun everytime you start the system? |
| 03:17.35 | TheSov | marcelofb, I do not have a desktop, when it loads X its just a remote desktop session. I dont want the user to be able to quit the session. or if they do i want the remote desktop to restart |
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| 03:17.54 | TheSov | marcelofb, its already set to run automatically when the system boots. i just need it to restart when they quite |
| 03:17.57 | TheSov | quit* |
| 03:18.10 | TheSov | right now if they quit it drops them back to a shell |
| 03:19.06 | TheSov | if they exit the shell, then X restarts but i dont want them to ever see the shell |
| 03:19.06 | whitephoenix | equa: same thing but with way less of those errors |
| 03:19.06 | whitephoenix | using only mouse and keyboard |
| 03:19.40 | equa | whitephoenix: can you get to the cli? |
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| 03:20.28 | whitephoenix | I wouldn't know how. I can't type anything currently |
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| 03:20.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | is there an xfce room somewhere? |
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| 03:20.51 | marcelofb | TheSov, hm, im sorry, don't know how to solve that..but i'm curious too, i'll try googling it a bit |
| 03:21.09 | equa | whitephoenix: you can install from a non official image that have non-free. |
| 03:21.11 | TheSov | believe me ive googled to death but my googlefu is weak |
| 03:21.58 | TheSov | basically i have it set to login automagically to a user called rdesk. then i have bash_login script set to startx |
| 03:21.59 | whitephoenix | This is all so weird maybe I should just try another distro |
| 03:22.06 | equa | whitephoenix: check your pm from dpkg |
| 03:22.08 | TheSov | then in xinitrc i have #!/usr/bin/env bash |
| 03:22.09 | TheSov | exec rdesktop -f 10.1.9.190 |
| 03:22.09 | TheSov | exittc |
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| 03:22.36 | TheSov | so is there anything i can do to just restart that exec command if it quits? |
| 03:22.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | i have an issue with xfce/debian.... the networkmanager is ignoring its own settings and /etc/resolv.conf and sending my dns requests to 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:23.02 | whitephoenix | I'll give it a shot |
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| 03:23.42 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:23.42 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:23.45 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:23.48 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:23.50 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:23.55 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:23.57 | equa | mIRC32: stop flooding |
| 03:23.59 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:24.02 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:24.04 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:24.06 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:24.07 | equa | !ops mIRC32 spams |
| 03:24.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: equa complains about: mIRC32 spams |
| 03:24.11 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:24.13 | TheSov | can someone +b that guy |
| 03:24.14 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:24.16 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:24.18 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:24.25 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:24.28 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:24.30 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:24.32 | BurgerIsFreedom | whois mIRC32 |
| 03:24.32 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:24.37 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:24.40 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:24.42 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:24.44 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:24.48 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:24.54 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:24.55 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:24.58 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:25.03 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:25.06 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:25.07 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:25.10 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:25.15 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:25.17 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:25.20 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:25.24 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:25.31 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:25.31 | TheSov | are all the ops asleep? |
| 03:25.33 | whitephoenix | You seem to desperately want me to read your sht you're spamming but you're flooding to fast and I can't... |
| 03:25.34 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:25.36 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:25.38 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:25.38 | gry | mIRC32: thank you, but I believe that linux-libre addresses this issue |
| 03:25.43 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:25.46 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:25.47 | TheSov | yay for ignore |
| 03:25.48 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:25.49 | equa | use /ignore <nick> for now |
| 03:25.50 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:25.53 | gry | mIRC32: as does separation into free and non-free |
| 03:26.01 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:26.01 | gry | so old issue, known issue, this flood may stop now |
| 03:26.04 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:26.06 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:26.08 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:26.13 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:26.13 | BurgerIsFreedom | gry, seperation of free and non-free is not sufficient |
| 03:26.16 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:26.18 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:26.20 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:26.27 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:26.30 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:26.34 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:26.35 | *** join/#debian Diitto (uid100620@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hivfiyrhpsrnnjxz) |
| 03:26.36 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:26.37 | gry | BurgerIsFreedom: I'm pretty sure silly government backdoors are mostly through non-free stuff |
| 03:26.41 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:26.44 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:26.46 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:26.48 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:26.55 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:26.55 | gry | BurgerIsFreedom: (and drivers preinstalled on the computers) |
| 03:26.58 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
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| 03:27.00 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:27.01 | DrDisconsented | I love how he needs to spam, its almost like he has no real point |
| 03:27.02 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:27.04 | gry | mIRC32: sod off now, I am talking with you |
| 03:27.06 | marcelofb | just ... /ignore mIRC32 bren@silenceisdefeat.com ALL |
| 03:27.07 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:27.08 | BenNZ | !ops |
| 03:27.08 | whitephoenix | how do yo ignore someone? |
| 03:27.08 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 03:27.10 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:27.12 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:27.13 | Diitto | !ops mIRC32 is spamming on #debian; |
| 03:27.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: diitto complains about: mIRC32 is spamming on #debian; |
| 03:27.14 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:27.15 | gry | whitephoenix: /ignore mIRC32 |
| 03:27.19 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:27.24 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:27.26 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:27.27 | gry | Diitto: you're not the first one; it was already done |
| 03:27.28 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:27.33 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:27.36 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:27.36 | Diitto | gry: k |
| 03:27.37 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:27.40 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:27.42 | whitephoenix | uhh itsnot working |
| 03:27.45 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:27.47 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:27.49 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:27.52 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:27.58 | TheSov | what client are you using? |
| 03:27.59 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:28.02 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:28.04 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:28.06 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:28.07 | gry | whitephoenix: /ignore mIRC32!*@* |
| 03:28.11 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:28.14 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:28.16 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:28.16 | equa | whitephoenix: are you downloading the right image? is does your cpu support x64 and i386 or just i386? |
| 03:28.18 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:28.25 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:28.28 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:28.30 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:28.32 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:28.37 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:28.40 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:28.42 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:28.44 | whitephoenix | equa: no idea |
| 03:28.44 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:28.45 | *** join/#debian Jsilver (~silverman@c-73-15-27-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:28.49 | mIRC32 | are engineered by nation-states with backdoors which are easily introduced as âbugsâ, and how Linux distributions, at times, depend on thousands of packages and libraries that may be compromised. |
| 03:28.51 | whitephoenix | why isn't /ignore working! |
| 03:28.52 | mIRC32 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFTYRWB0Tk |
| 03:28.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | gry, well, I think the snowden leaks are important in dealing with this issue... there have been a LOT of really serious bugs that have been and continue to be resolved since the knowledge that the nsa was stockpiling zero days became public |
| 03:28.56 | mIRC32 | Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA |
| 03:28.58 | mIRC32 | In his Q&A to his keynote address at the World Hosting Days Global 2014 conference in April, the worldâs largest hosting and cloud event, Julian Assange discussed encryption technology in the context of hosting systems. He discussed the cypherpunk credo of how encryption can level the playing field between powerful governments and people, and about 20 minutes into his address, he discussed how UNIX-like systems like Debian (which he mentioned by name) |
| 03:29.11 | BurgerIsFreedom | whitephoenix, lol |
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| 03:29.28 | marcelofb | use ... /ignore mIRC32 bren@silenceisdefeat.com ALL |
| 03:29.33 | equa | you need to put his name or wildcard + addie after |
| 03:29.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | so.... now... lets discuss this |
| 03:29.43 | marcelofb | yep |
| 03:29.45 | squinty | whitephoenix, if using hexchat or xchat right click on his nick and then select ignore |
| 03:29.48 | whitephoenix | Okay sweet it worked |
| 03:30.07 | whitephoenix | sorry using webchat lol, this is a family members laptop I'm using until my main rig is up again |
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| 03:30.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | is the spammer working for the NSA, to get us to buy macbooks, or is the spammer an independent who is going to get disappeared? |
| 03:30.39 | Diitto | the latter |
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| 03:30.47 | equa | whitephoenix: if you can use a live cd and boot into your system to find out. lscpu |
| 03:31.08 | whitephoenix | its funny how I might have actually read that crap he was spamming had he not been spamming it |
| 03:31.24 | marcelofb | TheSov, couldn't find anything |
| 03:31.59 | squinty | whitephoenix, you can also catch his show on the debian channel on the oftc network :P |
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| 03:32.17 | equa | just wait and he'll be back. this is the second time i seen this spam |
| 03:32.18 | whitephoenix | lol |
| 03:32.21 | marcelofb | yep, br3n |
| 03:32.23 | marcelofb | lol |
| 03:32.38 | marcelofb | i would personally prefer to use a lot of bots |
| 03:33.01 | whitephoenix | with an irc as big as this filled with quite a few programmers I'm surprised theres no defense against that |
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| 03:34.21 | whitephoenix | equa: have no live cds right now... I have an amd fx 6300 though |
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| 03:34.48 | equa | whitephoenix: any linux distro so you can check your cpu type |
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| 03:35.20 | whitephoenix | equa: mint which was my only os got written over when debian was installed so.... |
| 03:35.35 | marcelofb | we'll all start using JonDo distro now D: |
| 03:35.45 | equa | whitephoenix: boot from your cd. advance. rescue mode |
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| 03:36.32 | whitephoenix | okay going in now |
| 03:37.01 | equa | whitephoenix: get into a shell and type lscpu. look for op-mode(s) |
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| 03:37.40 | whitephoenix | okay just a second |
| 03:38.20 | *** part/#debian letsfindout (~letsfindo@cpe-76-89-236-90.socal.res.rr.com) |
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| 03:40.08 | whitephoenix | okay going through rescue mode install thing |
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| 03:41.14 | whitephoenix | it wants to select a device to use as root file system but I don't know which one debian is on |
| 03:41.26 | marcelofb | i'll play some atari via stella XD |
| 03:41.31 | marcelofb | till morning comes |
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| 03:41.37 | marcelofb | good night to all |
| 03:41.38 | equa | whitephoenix: none. you just want a shell to chk |
| 03:41.57 | TheSov | yay i fixed it! |
| 03:41.59 | equa | gn marcelofb |
| 03:42.13 | whitephoenix | well this isn't good, the shell it offers says lscpu: not found |
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| 03:42.54 | equa | whitephoenix: what's the name of your image? we can try the same one but from the non official instead |
| 03:43.25 | whitephoenix | debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:43.35 | whitephoenix | I have 15 minutes left on the non-free one |
| 03:43.57 | equa | whitephoenix: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:44.22 | whitephoenix | downloading that now, it will be done in 25-15 minutes |
| 03:45.20 | whitephoenix | Mr. Torvalds was right; debian is hard to install :P |
| 03:45.29 | AdorableGNU | Hard how? |
| 03:45.44 | whitephoenix | I've been working through issues for the past few hours |
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| 03:46.55 | equa | whitephoenix: should be easier now with this image |
| 03:47.11 | whitephoenix | okay great |
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| 03:47.54 | whitephoenix | should I put this one on a cd or should usb work this time? |
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| 03:48.31 | equa | whitephoenix: i'd go with a cd. you might have hardware issue with your usb(s) |
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| 03:49.10 | whitephoenix | Okay I'll go grab a clean cd |
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| 03:54.16 | whitephoenix | Oh the pain of having a nice pc setup and horrible internet |
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| 04:01.05 | vivid | i must be invited to #debian-next? is that channel open on irc.oftc.net or something? |
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| 04:06.41 | whitephoenix | okay download is finally over now to burn it |
| 04:07.00 | BurgerIsFreedom | whitephoenix, using CDs, 2015, lol |
| 04:07.12 | whitephoenix | yep lol |
| 04:07.14 | whitephoenix | usb wouldn't work |
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| 04:07.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | whitephoenix, why not? |
| 04:07.58 | whitephoenix | no idea |
| 04:08.06 | whitephoenix | cd-rom errors |
| 04:08.22 | BurgerIsFreedom | dd if=*.iso of=/dev/sd* |
| 04:08.33 | BurgerIsFreedom | did you check she sha256sum? |
| 04:08.42 | whitephoenix | oh crap I should do that now |
| 04:08.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | *the |
| 04:09.19 | whitephoenix | on windows borrowing family members laptop atm so can't dd |
| 04:10.00 | whitephoenix | checksums are good |
| 04:11.36 | Rusty1 | if a windows 7 or 8 ,right click the .iso ,burn |
| 04:11.49 | whitephoenix | already using imgburn |
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| 04:13.51 | whitephoenix | okay cd is in main rig now |
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| 04:14.21 | whitephoenix | blender noises intensify |
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| 04:17.40 | blast_hardcheese | Having some issues with hibernate/s2disk on jessie, since my swap is on lvm. |
| 04:17.51 | blast_hardcheese | /etc/uswsusp.conf lists my resume device as /dev/mapper/VG01-swap (which is correct), but I've tweaked /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 to log the value in $resume, and it's somehow the UUID of the disk, which lvm lvchange -ay doesn't seem to know how to handle. |
| 04:17.52 | whitephoenix | equa: what should I set how to use this partition for my debian partition? |
| 04:18.06 | equa | whitephoenix: the same ones? |
| 04:18.18 | equa | whitephoenix: format the partition with / too |
| 04:18.22 | whitephoenix | Yeah, it was set to do not use |
| 04:18.41 | blast_hardcheese | When I `break=premount` into the initrd and modify /conf/params.conf to set resume=/dev/mapper/VG01-swap, it's activated successfully and everything resumes happily. |
| 04:19.03 | whitephoenix | therse ext 4, 3 , 2 btrfs, jfs, xfs, fat16, fat32, swap, resserved bios,etc |
| 04:19.11 | whitephoenix | I don't remember what it was earlier |
| 04:19.12 | equa | use ext4 |
| 04:19.15 | blast_hardcheese | When I don't, my laptop hangs on boot, since calling /sbin/resume when $resume points at something incorrect hangs indefinitely (which seems like another bug) |
| 04:19.41 | whitephoenix | okaywriting changes |
| 04:19.45 | equa | ext4 for /. and swap for the 512mb |
| 04:19.53 | blast_hardcheese | Somewhat perplexingly, I seem to be the only one having this problem |
| 04:20.10 | blast_hardcheese | the last time people were talking about this was in 2.6 days |
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| 04:20.13 | equa | whitephoenix: your system memory is only 512mb? |
| 04:20.32 | whitephoenix | no I have 8gb of ram, I googled how much swap and it said 512mb is plenty |
| 04:20.53 | equa | whitephoenix: not planning on using hibernation / sleep mode correct? |
| 04:21.03 | whitephoenix | no |
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| 04:21.18 | whitephoenix | why was 512mb the wrong value? |
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| 04:21.49 | ryouma | seems like a fine value to me, if you don't use too much memory |
| 04:21.49 | equa | whitephoenix: if you need hibernation and such... it writes all into swap then goes to sleep. since you have 8gb... it wont' fit |
| 04:22.11 | whitephoenix | oh |
| 04:22.18 | whitephoenix | maybe I'll change it to 4gb or something later |
| 04:22.20 | whitephoenix | if possible |
| 04:22.27 | ryouma | 8gb if you hibernate |
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| 04:23.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | if you have enough ram, don't hibernate, and have a laptop, go with 0 swap |
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| 04:23.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | using the swap is bad if you move around with a laptop, since more hard drive usage = higher chance of head crashes |
| 04:23.44 | k_sze[work] | Are there USB 3.0 external SATA enclosures that are known to work will with Debian 7? I have tried two different brand/models so far and both utterly suck. Both use a JMicron controller and it looks like JMicron controllers are notoriously buggy. |
| 04:23.53 | k_sze[work] | s/will/well/ |
| 04:24.15 | BurgerIsFreedom | what do you mean "will work" and "utterly suck"? they won't work at all or you get 2.0 speeds? |
| 04:25.35 | whitephoenix | okay install is complete |
| 04:25.40 | whitephoenix | hopefully this works |
| 04:26.16 | blast_hardcheese | I'm sort of stumped on the initramfs issue; What generates /conf/params.conf? |
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| 04:26.31 | blast_hardcheese | Is that just catted together from everything in conf.d? |
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| 04:26.52 | whitephoenix | can't set config #1 error -32 |
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| 04:28.37 | equa | whitephoenix: switch usb ports for your keyboard + mouse then boot |
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| 04:28.48 | whitephoenix | Okay |
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| 04:30.04 | whitephoenix | booting... |
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| 04:30.28 | ryouma | what package or packages are responsible for /home/me/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list? where do i get the syntax? i want /all/ videos to open in a certain app. |
| 04:30.30 | whitephoenix | now I'm getting a ton of thoseerrors |
| 04:30.38 | k_sze[work] | BurgerIsFreedom: below 2.0 speed |
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| 04:31.01 | k_sze[work] | in fact, I get Buffered I/O error message spam fest with both enclosures. |
| 04:31.05 | whitephoenix | device descriptor read/all error -32 |
| 04:31.15 | whitephoenix | I don't get it why am I having so many issues |
| 04:31.25 | k_sze[work] | and it can't even mount my software RAID. |
| 04:31.29 | equa | whitephoenix: guess it doesn't like your keyboard/mouse or the ports are bad. |
| 04:31.55 | whitephoenix | never had port issues in windows |
| 04:32.46 | equa | whitephoenix: some people suggested upgrading your bios. |
| 04:33.14 | whitephoenix | I'll see if I can |
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| 04:35.45 | blast_hardcheese | Well, that worked as a workaround, but there's still a bug. I guess I'll submit a report to initramfs-tools and uswsusp |
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| 04:36.27 | blast_hardcheese | initramfs-tools' /scripts/local-premount/resume sets `RESUME` to something that breaks uswsusp |
| 04:36.50 | blast_hardcheese | or at least breaks lvm2's attempt at bringing up that device |
| 04:37.03 | blast_hardcheese | and uswsusp shouldn't lock up the machine if the suspend device is missing |
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| 04:40.01 | OldParr | i am looking to the output of PSPP of multiple lineal regression but i can not identify the P-value or significance value, where is it ? |
| 04:40.57 | whitephoenix | hard to believe a graphic driver update failure could cause such damage |
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| 04:41.54 | equa | whitephoenix: nice. you booted into the system? |
| 04:42.15 | whitephoenix | No lol still working on updating motherboard bios |
| 04:42.30 | equa | whitephoenix: what video card do you have? |
| 04:42.36 | whitephoenix | r9 280 |
| 04:42.40 | whitephoenix | sapphire |
| 04:42.42 | equa | @-@ |
| 04:42.58 | whitephoenix | ? |
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| 04:44.22 | equa | just a note to myself on that video card |
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| 04:44.48 | OldParr | where can i paste an image to the channel |
| 04:44.52 | whitephoenix | It said when I was updating there might have been errors but I was an idiot and didn't listen so... |
| 04:45.09 | equa | whitephoenix: oh... that would have been helpeful |
| 04:45.23 | whitephoenix | its a good card |
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| 04:46.39 | whitephoenix | long story short after an hour the next morning on thephone with microsoft trying to enter safe mode, we decided to just try to reinstall which didn't work atfirst so I said screw it I wanted to go linux anyways |
| 04:46.51 | whitephoenix | installed mint, decided I didn't like mint, now I'm here |
| 04:47.53 | OldParr | whitephoenix: what did you see wrong in mint ? |
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| 04:48.35 | whitephoenix | it was just a bunch of little things |
| 04:50.11 | whitephoenix | this pc has never really had issues and now suddenly everything I try has issues |
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| 04:52.40 | whitephoenix | okay updating bios |
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| 04:54.43 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.00 | OldParr | see the output of PSPP here http://imageshack.com/a/img661/9638/IkXKfT.png |
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| 04:56.52 | whitephoenix | okay updated trying to boot |
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| 04:57.20 | whitephoenix | oh look... more errors |
| 04:58.25 | whitephoenix | equa any other ideas? |
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| 04:58.36 | equa | whitephoenix: what errors are you getting now? |
| 04:58.51 | whitephoenix | same ones; device descriptor read/all, error -32 |
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| 05:00.16 | equa | whitephoenix: try mint again to see if it's just a debian issue |
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| 05:02.08 | whitephoenix | I think it has to be the only usb issue I had in mint was usb 3.0 ports not working which I fixed by changing some iommu controller option somewhere |
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| 05:03.22 | BurgerIsFreedom | is there something else that could override both networkmanager and resolv.conf? |
| 05:03.32 | BurgerIsFreedom | it's still trying to use interface wlan0 to send requests to 127.0.0.1 on udp 53 |
| 05:03.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | which I don't block, but there is no service listening |
| 05:05.00 | whitephoenix | do you think reseting cmos would do anything |
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| 05:05.57 | equa | whitephoenix: try default settings |
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| 05:07.03 | whitephoenix | loaded optimized defaults |
| 05:07.33 | whitephoenix | same problem |
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| 05:08.10 | equa | whitephoenix: paste me the exact error |
| 05:08.39 | whitephoenix | I'll have to retype but I'll get close as possible |
| 05:09.11 | equa | take a picture and use one of those image site |
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| 05:16.24 | whitephoenix | equa: http://pastebin.com/nCb6jMgt |
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| 05:17.05 | equa | whitephoenix: no error on the bios update? |
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| 05:18.00 | whitephoenix | No this is when I try to boot debian |
| 05:18.18 | equa | whitephoenix: i mean you did bios update earlier. no error correct? |
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| 05:19.42 | whitephoenix | No error, it was fine |
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| 05:21.06 | equa | is your syste m a certified for windows 8 / windows 8.1? it could be fast boot method doesn't enable all usb devices |
| 05:21.23 | whitephoenix | Its custom built so no |
| 05:21.32 | whitephoenix | I'll check for a fast boot thing in bios |
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| 05:24.41 | whitephoenix | equa dont see fast boot option |
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| 05:26.29 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:26.37 | whitephoenix | hi |
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| 05:28.17 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: dnsmasq? resolvconf? |
| 05:28.34 | equa | whitephoenix: do you have another set of keyboard/mouse? |
| 05:28.40 | whitephoenix | nope |
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| 05:30.53 | equa | whitephoenix: power off the machine for 1 min. unplug all the usb, then plug your keyboard/mouse into a different port. turn on the system |
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| 05:31.38 | whitephoenix | WAIT |
| 05:31.43 | whitephoenix | I think its working |
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| 05:31.48 | equa | omg how |
| 05:31.51 | whitephoenix | I just put everything into a usb 3 port |
| 05:31.55 | whitephoenix | it wants a log it |
| 05:31.57 | whitephoenix | in |
| 05:32.00 | equa | nice |
| 05:32.28 | whitephoenix | okay logged in, no idea what now |
| 05:32.36 | equa | you installed your DE and stuff? |
| 05:32.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, to my knowledge, dnsmasq is not running.... maybe it should be? |
| 05:32.50 | whitephoenix | I thought it did but evidently not |
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| 05:33.10 | equa | whitephoenix: run aptitude as root |
| 05:33.38 | whitephoenix | sudo: command not found... |
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| 05:33.59 | equa | whitephoenix: yeah you did basic install. just exit and login as root or su |
| 05:34.31 | whitephoenix | aptitude: command not found |
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| 05:35.44 | equa | whitephoenix: do tasksel |
| 05:35.56 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 05:36.02 | whitephoenix | now what |
| 05:36.26 | equa | whitephoenix: spacebar on debian desktop env and the DE you want |
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| 05:36.54 | whitephoenix | was tasksel supposed to bring up a menu or gui or something |
| 05:37.03 | equa | whitephoenix: yeah |
| 05:37.13 | whitephoenix | it didn't |
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| 05:38.01 | equa | whitephoenix: do ip a. do you have an ip for your network device? |
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| 05:39.17 | whitephoenix | that outputted stuff, I don't see my ip in there, only 127.0.0.1 |
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| 05:39.46 | equa | whitephoenix: ping google.com |
| 05:39.55 | whitephoenix | unknown host |
| 05:40.19 | equa | whitephoenix: were you going to setup wifi connection for the machine? |
| 05:40.29 | whitephoenix | no because I have ethernet here |
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| 05:41.38 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, ehhhhh.... ok, I started dnsmasq up, using a specified user, and i confirmed through syslog that it read resolv.conf, but then it went ahead and tried to resolve the dns inquiries at 127.0.0.1 again |
| 05:41.50 | equa | whitephoenix: cat /etc/network/interfaces . i need the output of that |
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| 05:42.31 | whitephoenix | source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
| 05:42.35 | whitephoenix | auto lo |
| 05:42.40 | whitephoenix | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 05:44.35 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: you probably did, but this helps sometimes: |
| 05:44.43 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: lsof -i -n|grep domain |
| 05:44.44 | mzf | or |
| 05:44.48 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: lsof -i -n|grep 53 |
| 05:44.53 | equa | whitephoenix: ip a. do you have eth0 eth1 and etc... |
| 05:45.04 | whitephoenix | doesn't show that |
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| 05:45.47 | whitephoenix | oh wait nvm |
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| 05:46.29 | whitephoenix | yes I seeeth0 |
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| 05:46.54 | equa | whitephoenix: the computer is connected to a router and uses dhcp? |
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| 05:47.22 | whitephoenix | pc is connected via powerline to router, idk anything about dhcp |
| 05:48.12 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, the only thing listening on 53 is dnsmasq, now that I started it. prior to that, there was nothing. nothing comes up for grep domain |
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| 05:50.39 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: so there shouldn't be any sending requests? |
| 05:51.09 | equa | whitephoenix: edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this: http://paste.debian.net/286417/ |
| 05:51.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | something is routing all my dns inquiries to 127.0.0.1. dnsmasq *IS* reading resolv.conf, then the requests somehow get routed back to 127.0.0.1 on UDP 53, which causes dnsmasq to repeat the request.... so it is a high speed loop |
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| 05:52.11 | whitephoenix | warning unknown mime-type for /etc/networkinterfaces |
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| 05:52.42 | equa | white use nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:52.53 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 05:53.18 | whitephoenix | exactly like that? |
| 05:53.55 | BurgerIsFreedom | isn't that hilarious? dnsmasq requests are being routed back to dnsmasq, causing a highspeed loop that results in "Maximum number of concurrent DNS queries reached (max: 150)" |
| 05:54.17 | equa | whitephoenix: we could just run the installation and install your system again with the DE. btw, which DE are you going to install? |
| 05:54.32 | whitephoenix | I think gnome |
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| 05:55.13 | whitephoenix | okay edited now what |
| 05:55.49 | equa | whitephoenix: ip a. is your eth0 state UP or DOWN? |
| 05:56.07 | whitephoenix | down |
| 05:56.13 | equa | whitephoenix: should be down so just run ifup eth0 |
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| 05:56.44 | equa | whitephoenix: run ip a. you should have an ip address for eth0 |
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| 05:57.35 | whitephoenix | it keeps saying dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 |
| 05:58.40 | whitephoenix | Okay its done now, don't see an ip but state is up |
| 05:58.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, i'm close to "cat /dev/null > /boot" |
| 06:00.35 | equa | whitephoenix: let me get the output for eth0 |
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| 06:02.48 | whitephoenix | wait should I pastebin theresultsof ip a |
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| 06:03.39 | equa | whitephoenix: i have to go soon. ask for help from others or in #networking. you can also run the cd and install your debian with the DE from the cd |
| 06:04.03 | whitephoenix | I have to go too. would it be possible to work on this tommorow? |
| 06:04.20 | whitephoenix | sorry for being a pain lol |
| 06:04.30 | equa | whitephoenix: just try installing it again when you have time tomorrow. choose the DE during the setup. should be easiest |
| 06:04.40 | equa | whitephoenix: np. the problem was interesting. |
| 06:04.55 | whitephoenix | wait which iso should I use |
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| 06:05.23 | whitephoenix | the netinst one, the gnome one, the one you linked me too |
| 06:05.44 | equa | whitephoenix: during the setup with the firmware iso. did you come to a point where it ran tasksel and showed you a screen for installing a DE? |
| 06:06.01 | whitephoenix | I don't remember |
| 06:06.22 | whitephoenix | anyways, bye, thanks for the help |
| 06:06.28 | equa | whitephoenix: k. good night |
| 06:07.36 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: there's also resolvconf which somehow manages resolv.conf |
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| 06:07.46 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
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| 06:14.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | there's not much in /etc/resolvconf, just update-libc.d/avahi-daemon |
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| 06:15.37 | BurgerIsFreedom | i'm not framiliar with avahi. i'm going to disable this script and see what happens |
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| 06:20.55 | BurgerIsFreedom | restarted networking.service, dnsmasq, and disabled the only script in /etc/resolvconf |
| 06:21.03 | BurgerIsFreedom | still in a dns routing loop |
| 06:21.48 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: what is the content of resolv.conf? |
| 06:22.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, nameserver 192.168.10.1 nameserver 8.26.56.26 nameserver 8.20.247.20 |
| 06:22.54 | BurgerIsFreedom | commodo servers |
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| 06:24.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | nothing wrong with the hosts file either |
| 06:25.59 | BurgerIsFreedom | ...this is a brand new install of debian 8.1... |
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| 06:27.40 | msn | i think the systemsettings package in testing is broken :( |
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| 06:31.19 | BurgerIsFreedom | ...should I go back to wheezy...? |
| 06:31.22 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: are you using nslookup to make queries or something else? |
| 06:32.09 | mzf | and is it a desktop or server? |
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| 06:32.16 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, how do I check? if nslookup is the default, then probably |
| 06:32.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | desktop - installed from DVD1 |
| 06:33.02 | substack | my system has been completely screwed ever since I upgraded with "The following packages have unmet dependencies" messages all over |
| 06:33.15 | substack | how do I install over it and is that a good course of action |
| 06:33.26 | substack | can't seem to find anything that works on stackoverflow etc |
| 06:33.28 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: then check network manager for nameservers info |
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| 06:34.29 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: you can always use nslookup too like this: nslookup google.com 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:34.49 | mzf | to check if there's anything answering queris on localhost |
| 06:35.01 | msn | substack: apt-get -f install |
| 06:35.16 | substack | msn: I have done that many times to no effect |
| 06:35.20 | substack | just did that, didn't fix anything |
| 06:35.39 | beepie | mzf, ? |
| 06:35.52 | beepie | mzf, nslookup contact's your isp nameservers |
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| 06:36.04 | substack | for example: https://gist.github.com/substack/a6eb27448268f97939bf |
| 06:36.05 | msn | substack: might have to doa few times or you can try removing the packages using dpkg --remove |
| 06:36.23 | mzf | beepie: nope. not always. |
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| 06:36.33 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, nslookup google.com 8.8.8.8 gets routed to 127.0.0.1:53UDP |
| 06:36.38 | msn | substack: try dpkg --remvoe with package name |
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| 06:36.46 | substack | msn: which package name? |
| 06:36.53 | mzf | beepie: you can specify which nameserver to use at the end of the command |
| 06:36.53 | msn | you can reinstall them later once everything else is clear |
| 06:37.25 | beepie | oh i'm used to dig @nameserver <dns lookup> |
| 06:37.28 | msn | the 2 packages which are not getting updated |
| 06:37.41 | beepie | you're right the second param to nslookup is the server.. |
| 06:37.55 | BurgerIsFreedom | mzf, i specified 8.8.8.8 and it still got routed to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:37.58 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: you might have a iptables rule doing that |
| 06:38.01 | substack | dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libesd0' is not: ambiguous package name 'libesd0' with more than one installed instance |
| 06:38.01 | dpkg | substack: that's too long |
| 06:38.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn i have no forward rules in iptables |
| 06:38.17 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, yeah, if you get a result, then it's because you're using recursion with your dns server |
| 06:38.29 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, if you don't want this you have to disable recursion |
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| 06:38.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | recursion? what do you mean? i have some sort of routing loop |
| 06:39.16 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: now that's weird. you're directly talking to 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:39.17 | msn | substack: dpkg --remove mplayer |
| 06:39.26 | mzf | there might be some routing issue then... |
| 06:39.38 | beepie | was referring to a dnsserver configuration option |
| 06:39.57 | substack | ok did that and the libdvdnav error went away, but still getting the libesd0 "not going to be installed" error |
| 06:40.26 | msn | substack: dpkg -l |grep libesd0 |
| 06:40.34 | msn | see what's installed |
| 06:40.38 | msn | remove that package |
| 06:40.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | what's the command to list the current routing table? |
| 06:40.43 | substack | ok thanks |
| 06:40.49 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: ip r |
| 06:41.03 | msn | substack: then you can reinstall mplayer later once everything is clear |
| 06:41.26 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, even if it's listening on localhost, dns-servers essentially become clients when recursion is enabled. |
| 06:41.40 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, your ISP nameservers use recursion to the root-hint servers |
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| 06:41.58 | substack | msn: does dpkg --remove take = versions like apt-get? |
| 06:42.01 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, so your dns-server creates a new requests on the default gateway as a client |
| 06:42.17 | substack | I'm having trouble removing that particular version on account of the amiguity error message |
| 06:42.18 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, (and this is normal with dns-recursion) |
| 06:42.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, at this time, I don't need a DNS server. I just need my client to work so I can get some packages |
| 06:42.41 | substack | https://gist.github.com/substack/28e0ef023845fc28cacf |
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| 06:42.51 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, then you just need <nameserver ip> in resolv.conf |
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| 06:43.31 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, that's what I have, but for some reason it still gets re-directed to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:43.46 | substack | https://gist.github.com/substack/28e0ef023845fc28cacf#gistcomment-1508804 |
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| 06:44.04 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, that's because your host resolver settings has dns before host |
| 06:44.07 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, "hosts" |
| 06:44.15 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, when i close dnsmasq, so there is nothing listening on port udp 53, the requests just go nowhere. they still get sent exclusively to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:44.19 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, scratch that |
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| 06:44.38 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, dnsmasq has an option to manage resolv.conf so that complicates things |
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| 06:45.05 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you can just use-> "nameserver 127.0.0.1" /etc/resolv.conf, if dnsmasq did not add this |
| 06:45.36 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, yeah but that's what I'm trying to avoid. i want to route requests OUT. |
| 06:45.37 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, it is "ok" to use 127.0.0.1 as a nameserver because it's recursive |
| 06:45.47 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, 127.0.0.1 is not making the requests |
| 06:46.10 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, technically it should be creating the source-ip as the interface ip |
| 06:46.14 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, of eth0 |
| 06:46.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, it is |
| 06:46.55 | BurgerIsFreedom | so, you are saying I should set resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1, then run dnsmasq and point it to a custom resolve file with external IPs? |
| 06:47.04 | BurgerIsFreedom | and try that? |
| 06:47.22 | substack | msn: got it working, thanks! |
| 06:47.23 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, by default dnsmasq i think handles the settings correctly, but it all depends what you're trying to do. |
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| 06:47.44 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, dnsmasq can be used simple -- but it also can manage the resolv.conf file for you |
| 06:47.46 | msn | dnsmasq is bad locally, interferes with eveyrthing |
| 06:48.01 | msn | well its my PoV |
| 06:48.11 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, normally if it's listening, it wouldn't do much than keep (providing it's maintaining) "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in resolv.conf |
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| 06:50.30 | BurgerIsFreedom | there needs to be something that directs the requests outside of my own system... if not /etc/resolv.conf, then i have to setup a dns server, and the only option I know is available to me (can't install packages other than .deb right now due to lack of compilers) is dnsmasq |
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| 06:51.40 | opoio | i'm trying to install skype on debian, but am getting the following problem: http://paste.debian.net/286433/ |
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| 06:56.17 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, i came into this channel after you(if you did) describe the question -- I only saw nslookup queries nothing before -- so if you want to rephrase i can sort of see what you're after |
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| 06:58.06 | beepie | opoio, try apt-get update, apt-cache show libasound2-plugins |
| 06:59.15 | opoio | beepie: http://paste.debian.net/286435/ |
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| 07:00.25 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, my dns resolution is in an infinite loop. wlan0 -> 127.0.0.1:53UDP, then repeats. The resolv.conf file does not contain 127.0.0.1. when I use "host google.com" the request goes to 127.0.0.1. When I start dnsmasq, which listens on UDP 53, it reads the host file and the resolv.conf (I see the fact that it reads them in syslog), then the requests get directly routed from the user running dnsmasq to 127.0.0.1:53UDP |
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| 07:00.44 | beepie | opoio, so you have it available, if you type "apt-get -f install", it'll try to install the missing package, and continue finishing setting up skype |
| 07:00.57 | opoio | beepie: i think the problem is with the i386 version: http://paste.debian.net/286437/ |
| 07:01.04 | beepie | opoio, (you can use "gdebi" with .deb if you don't like typing apt-get -f install) |
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| 07:04.23 | BurgerIsFreedom | alright, I just changed the resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 (because why not), and then pointed dnsmasq -u dnsmasq -r /etc/resolv2.conf which contains internet based DNS servers, and then in my syslog, I see that dnsmasq read resolv2.conf, but sent the request anyway to 127.0.0.1 (which, is itself) |
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| 07:05.23 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: i would recommend skipping dnsmasq altogether and putting external dns in your resolv.conf |
| 07:05.28 | msn | that should fix the problem |
| 07:05.30 | beepie | ok so you're trying to setup dns for your Wifi laptop network but are having problems |
| 07:05.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, no it didn't fix that problem. that is what I did initially, but it didn't work, which is why I tried with dnsmasq |
| 07:05.53 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you're trying to have dnsmasq work on your laptop? |
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| 07:06.18 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you're still not answering what your main objective is |
| 07:06.19 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie only because normal dns resolution doesn't work and gets routed to 127.0.0.1 regardless of what is in resolv.conf |
| 07:06.46 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: i still think you have a rule in your firewall which is redirecting port 53 to 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:06.46 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie i want to resolve internet domains (websites). *that is all* |
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| 07:07.08 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, that's still not clear |
| 07:07.10 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, a forward rule? my forward rules are "drop" |
| 07:07.14 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you're trying to setup a zone? |
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| 07:07.24 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: a redirect rule |
| 07:07.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, no, I am trying to get a brand new debian 8.1 install to resolve google.com |
| 07:07.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, what would a redirect rule look like? |
| 07:08.07 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, so you're trying to setup internet access |
| 07:08.13 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, why are you bothering with dnsmasq? |
| 07:08.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, correct, but I already have internet access. I can ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 07:08.27 | msn | BurgerIsFreedom: the rule would be in your nat table not in your FIlter table |
| 07:08.28 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, if you don't like it, you can just use dhcpd/client |
| 07:08.49 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, and have it get dhcp-dns options from the dhcp-offer --> this should add your namservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:08.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, how do I check my nat table? |
| 07:09.03 | msn | iptables -L -n -t nat |
| 07:09.28 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, isc-dhcp-client |
| 07:09.37 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, apt-get remove dnsmasq; apt-get install isc-dhcp-client |
| 07:09.54 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, can't install anything without network access |
| 07:10.06 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, i think you may have spotted the problem |
| 07:10.09 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, uh, you can stop the dnsmasq service |
| 07:10.29 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you do know nameservers -- you even specified 8.8.8.8 -- you can try that if you don' know your isp's... |
| 07:10.42 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, (add the nameserver line/s to resolv.conf) |
| 07:10.44 | msn | i know coz most big Managed services have this rule in their firewall which will redirect all outgoing port 53 to their internal DNS servers |
| 07:10.47 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, then apt-get update |
| 07:10.51 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, killall dnsmasq. done. not the problem. I think msn figured out my issue though. my nat is full of crap redirecting port 53 |
| 07:11.00 | beepie | lol |
| 07:11.16 | msn | i told you an hour ago BurgerIsFreedom |
| 07:11.24 | msn | that's its your iptables |
| 07:11.29 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, why the hell would that be the default in my install? |
| 07:11.32 | beepie | something tells me he's not installing debian |
| 07:11.42 | msn | its not default |
| 07:11.52 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, maybe because you were overwriting another linux filesystem |
| 07:11.54 | msn | maybe you set it up or used some gui |
| 07:11.54 | BurgerIsFreedom | msn, i assumed that my iptables was blank other than what I added via my script |
| 07:12.03 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, and that was crap leftover not touched |
| 07:12.05 | msn | just to a iptables -F -t nat |
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| 07:12.16 | beepie | until the next reboot |
| 07:12.21 | msn | should fix your 53 problem |
| 07:12.28 | BurgerIsFreedom | i set it up using dvd1 expert install, on a clean hard drive, encrypted partition |
| 07:12.32 | msn | but if you need nat then well you gotta clean it up |
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| 07:12.48 | BurgerIsFreedom | i'll set iptables -F -t nat in my iptables script that runs on boot |
| 07:12.49 | msn | hmm Encrypted partition |
| 07:12.49 | beepie | msn, he said it was a clean install of Debian 8.1 |
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| 07:13.08 | beepie | msn, i don't believe him |
| 07:13.10 | beepie | haha |
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| 07:13.53 | msn | is that your local iptables or firewall? |
| 07:14.03 | BurgerIsFreedom | local iptables |
| 07:14.20 | msn | just find the iptables script and remove it |
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| 07:14.27 | msn | you don't nee diptables locally behind the firewall |
| 07:14.42 | BurgerIsFreedom | local iptables = my firewall |
| 07:14.43 | msn | let local system run freely |
| 07:14.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | it's my only firewall right now |
| 07:15.00 | msn | ah okay in that case |
| 07:15.12 | msn | find the iptables and clear the rules on by one |
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| 07:15.34 | msn | you don't want a iptbales -F -t nat to flush your MAsquerade/snat rules |
| 07:15.39 | BurgerIsFreedom | there must be a script, other than my own, running on boot that adds this rule |
| 07:15.40 | msn | or you wont' have any internet left |
| 07:16.01 | msn | check that firewalld service |
| 07:16.05 | msn | in case you installed it |
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| 07:16.15 | msn | or shorewall or any other firewall |
| 07:16.36 | BurgerIsFreedom | i said clean install |
| 07:16.46 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, here I use netfilter-iptables .. it loads up /etc/iptables/rules.v4 by default |
| 07:17.05 | beepie | you don't actually need to delete anything if this the actual load-up-- merely systemctl disable netfilter-iptables can do the trick |
| 07:17.20 | beepie | (it worn't iptables-restore </etc/iptables/rules.v4 on next reboot) |
| 07:17.49 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you were doing all kind of random things that wasn't necessary lol |
| 07:18.07 | BurgerIsFreedom | hmm /etc/iptables does not exist |
| 07:18.17 | BurgerIsFreedom | i honestly don't know how I could have done it |
| 07:18.20 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you really using debian 8.1? |
| 07:18.27 | BurgerIsFreedom | i am using debian 8.1 |
| 07:18.36 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, did you install it on another linux filesystem? |
| 07:18.40 | BurgerIsFreedom | no |
| 07:18.45 | BurgerIsFreedom | this is not a VM or chroot |
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| 07:19.01 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, well then you did something ,.. possibly toyed around with ufw,.. |
| 07:19.06 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, dpkg -l |grep -i firewall |
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| 07:19.23 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, and you can then list -> dpkg -L <packagename> to see where /etc files are |
| 07:19.26 | msn | dpkg -l |grep iptables |
| 07:19.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep iptables |
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| 07:20.25 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you can make life eaiser by not using dnsmasq -- you can use the isc-dhcp-client if you want |
| 07:20.39 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, (after you get your name resolving to work) |
| 07:20.53 | BurgerIsFreedom | dpkg -l |grep -i firewall nothing dpkg -l | grep iptables ii iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 md64 administration tools for packet filtering and NAT |
| 07:20.54 | dpkg | ii |grep -i firewall nothing dpkg -l | grep iptables ii iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 md64 administration tools for packet filtering and NAT 3.3-14 burgerisfreedom's private porn collection |
| 07:21.20 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, after I get name resolving to work, I'm going to install dnscrypt and unbound |
| 07:21.44 | BurgerIsFreedom | but I need gcc for that and there are a whole bunch of missing dependencies |
| 07:21.50 | beepie | wonders wtf BurgerIsFreedom wants from #debian |
| 07:21.58 | beepie | meh... |
| 07:22.06 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, nothing anymore, msn gave me all I need lol |
| 07:22.06 | beepie | sorry you're not skilled enough for this |
| 07:22.36 | BurgerIsFreedom | hey if I had the bandwidth I would have downloaded more DVDs but I have a satelite connection |
| 07:22.39 | beepie | i appreciate the sarcasm but here I didn't need to bother with giving instructions hoping you're actually learning something here. |
| 07:22.55 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, stubborn |
| 07:23.25 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, I gave you all the info you requested and I will not be using dnsmasq in the future |
| 07:24.42 | BurgerIsFreedom | k, I do have isc-dhcp-client. it would not have been necessary to install it |
| 07:24.58 | BurgerIsFreedom | just checked via dpkg -l | grep isc-dhcp-client |
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| 07:26.58 | BurgerIsFreedom | lights up some pakistani hashish and prepares for a long night of pounding keyboard |
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| 07:27.32 | babilen | BurgerIsFreedom: It would be much appreciated if you could keep it focussed in here |
| 07:27.50 | BurgerIsFreedom | i'm done, I'll be in -offtopic if anyone needs me |
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| 07:28.14 | BurgerIsFreedom | much appreciated everyone, beepie, mzf, msn, dpkg |
| 07:28.49 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, that's fine, but you should listen to people and research things, even if you have a slow internet. good luck |
| 07:29.16 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, (dpkg is a bot btw) |
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| 07:29.57 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, i listen, but i can't research faster than the messages come in. and yes, I am aware that dpkg is a bot. |
| 07:30.16 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, you talk like this in real life too? |
| 07:30.17 | mzf | BurgerIsFreedom: yw |
| 07:30.36 | BurgerIsFreedom | beepie, this discussion is better suited for #debian-offtopic |
| 07:30.44 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, I think you have serious issues |
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| 07:30.58 | beepie | BurgerIsFreedom, whether here or even #off-irc |
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| 07:31.24 | BurgerIsFreedom | ââ¿â |
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| 07:31.53 | colo-work | can I make apt simulate a package install? i. e., tell me which files would be created (extracted and/or generated) by an installation with dependencies if I ran `apt-get install somepkg`? |
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| 07:38.51 | mzf | colo-work: there's aptitude --simulate |
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| 07:39.34 | colo-work | mzf, thanks, I'll take a look at that |
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| 07:43.12 | colo-work | mzf, "Need to get 7,723 kB of archives. After unpacking 22.0 MB will be used. |
| 07:43.12 | colo-work | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] |
| 07:43.12 | colo-work | Would download/install/remove packages." |
| 07:43.17 | colo-work | "a-ha!" ;) |
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| 07:49.33 | mzf | colo-work: you might also want to take a look at: http://superuser.com/questions/82923/how-to-list-files-of-a-debian-package-without-install |
| 07:49.58 | colo-work | mzf, thanks again |
| 07:50.11 | mzf | colo-work: np |
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| 07:52.42 | x86_64 | hi, i am stuck at the tasksel process of debian installation. How can i be able to select both ¨Debian desktop environment¨ and ¨MATE¨? |
| 07:52.45 | x86_64 | i am confused |
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| 07:53.29 | jelly | x86_64: you probably can't, pick either gnome or mate, and install the other one later |
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| 07:54.22 | x86_64 | really |
| 07:54.33 | x86_64 | you can see that both are selected. http://i.imgur.com/Kvxhj2Y.png jelly |
| 07:54.52 | x86_64 | if i do this, is it different than if i just selected ¨MATE¨ |
| 07:55.18 | swift110-phone | Mate is great |
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| 07:57.26 | jelly | x86_64: that's just MATE. All the "... " choices are just sub-options of "Debian desktop environment" |
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| 07:57.59 | x86_64 | so if i select both ¨DDE¨ (alias) and ¨MATE¨, it would be the same as ¨MATE¨? |
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| 07:58.12 | jelly | I think so, yes |
| 07:58.30 | x86_64 | ok thx |
| 07:58.37 | qoreQyaS | x86_64: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=amd64&keywords=task- you can check the dependencies of the tasks by yourself if you like |
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| 08:00.17 | LlamaLuther | is there another way for ls ? |
| 08:00.26 | qoreQyaS | mate is not listed there though, idk why. s/task-/task-mate-desktop/ for mate task |
| 08:00.37 | LlamaLuther | like list |
| 08:00.48 | LlamaLuther | ok I'm just kidding |
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| 08:01.03 | LlamaLuther | grew up on DEC Unix on an alpha powerstation - |
| 08:01.14 | LlamaLuther | I have no idea what Debian is even about |
| 08:01.19 | LlamaLuther | what happened to REAL DEC UNIX ? |
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| 08:01.35 | LlamaLuther | I really have LITTLE TOLERANCE for pretend UNIX |
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| 08:02.09 | x86_64 | trolls |
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| 08:06.16 | fyuza21 | hello. I get this error during compiling a program: /bin/sh: 1: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: not found. What could be missing? |
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| 08:07.16 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: probably gcc, did you install build-essential? |
| 08:07.28 | fyuza21 | yes |
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| 08:08.44 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: are you crosscompiling or trying fancy stuff like that? |
| 08:08.53 | fyuza21 | no |
| 08:09.16 | fyuza21 | i just try to compile a small plugin for pidgin. |
| 08:09.37 | fyuza21 | the laptop is 64bit but 32bit libs are installed as well. |
| 08:09.41 | fyuza21 | could this be the problem? |
| 08:09.42 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: was the Makefile provided? were you using a configure script? |
| 08:09.52 | fyuza21 | yes, makefile is provided |
| 08:10.03 | fyuza21 | there is no configure script |
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| 08:12.47 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: i686-pc-linux-* looks like 32bit. idk, may be the compile of that plugin depends on a 32bit compiler. you could try to check the Makefile for the reference to the compiler and change it |
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| 08:13.47 | fyuza21 | qoreQyaS, for example like this: march=athlon-xp |
| 08:13.49 | fyuza21 | ? |
| 08:13.51 | qoreQyaS | another way would be to provide a 32bit gcc. idk either if "i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc" is a common alternative-name, symlink, whatever to 32bit gcc on 686 hw. |
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| 08:14.23 | linux-fox | hi, all |
| 08:14.36 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: or if that would solve the issue |
| 08:15.06 | qoreQyaS | fyuza21: cd ${src}; grep -ri i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc .; may help you |
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| 08:15.29 | fyuza21 | qoreQyaS, thanks for the help, I will have a look into this. |
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| 08:15.59 | qoreQyaS | np, glad to help |
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| 08:55.29 | Elirips | Hello. How can I prevent the kernel that is being installed during aptitude upgrade from being compressed? |
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| 08:56.39 | zarathustar | if I specify d-i passwd/root-login boolean false in my preseed.cfg, does the Debian installer automatically add the specified user account as a sudoer?.. I'm trying to automate the creation of a Vagrant box with Debian. It looks like when I try to use a provisioner with sudo, I get an error stating vagrant isn't in the sudoers file. |
| 08:57.08 | zarathustar | .. I guess that question kind of answers itself. If root is disabled, the created user account must be able to run sudo.. |
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| 09:06.46 | babilen | zarathustar: You should set the root password to 'vagrant' in vagrant boxes (cf. http://docs.vagrantup.com/v2/boxes/base.html ) |
| 09:06.53 | babilen | (but yes, that is what would happen) |
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| 09:07.47 | zarathustar | yea, that's what I'm doing, but I'm using vagrant/vagrant as my ssh user/pass in packer, which obviously fails. so I need to either use root/vagrant, or add the vagrant user to the right group in the preseed |
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| 09:11.40 | babilen | zarathustar: That's easy, you can set "d-i passwd/user-default-groups string sudo adm" (for example) |
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| 09:12.42 | babilen | That way you can set the root password and ensure that the 'vagrant' user is in the 'sudo' group. |
| 09:13.11 | zarathustar | sweet, thanks. I've seen a mixture of people's templates on github but haven't been sure on what's the 'best' way to do it. Trying to keep the files as clean and reuseable as possible across distros |
| 09:13.23 | zarathustar | (which may be a bit unrealistic) |
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| 09:19.05 | zarathustar | i'm going to guess that ssh is disabled for root by default |
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| 09:38.34 | ElTimo | I'm a believer again. |
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| 09:39.13 | ElTimo | I just started using unstable after only ever trying stable. |
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| 09:53.33 | LordDeath | hi, I have a little question about upgrading and manually modified config files which have been updated in the new packages as well |
| 09:54.04 | LordDeath | when I did my dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy I had these updated configs where I kept my old version: http://pastebin.com/PM17N5eU |
| 09:54.23 | LordDeath | until now I did not look at the new changes made by the wheezy packages |
| 09:54.39 | LordDeath | should I do this and apply those changes before upgrading to jessie? |
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| 10:06.13 | petn-randall | LordDeath: It's always a good idea to go through the diffs and take sensible measures. If there are any changes that need manual work, it will be documented in the NEWS section of the package. |
| 10:06.30 | petn-randall | LordDeath: apt-listchanges will show you these on upgrade, if you have it installed. |
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| 10:08.16 | LordDeath | petn-randall: alright, I will do that |
| 10:08.31 | LordDeath | but I am unsure about initramfs-tools |
| 10:08.52 | petn-randall | LordDeath: What exactly? |
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| 10:09.06 | LordDeath | my Debian Wheezy is actually a VPS running on a openvz root |
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| 10:09.19 | LordDeath | which means I am running a customized RHEL6 kernel which I can not change |
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| 10:09.37 | LordDeath | should I keep my fingers of initramfs-tools? |
| 10:10.02 | LordDeath | -root +host |
| 10:10.38 | petn-randall | LordDeath: No idea then, you'll have to ask your VPS provider how that works. In either way you're not running a full Debian then, only Debian user space. |
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| 10:11.28 | Thasan | java installation is allways so problematic :S |
| 10:11.33 | Thasan | http://paste.debian.net/286481/ |
| 10:12.17 | Thasan | any ideas how to continue? |
| 10:12.29 | petn-randall | Thasan: Why are you building your own Java? |
| 10:13.35 | Thasan | how I should install it then? |
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| 10:14.47 | petn-randall | Thasan: Do you have special version requirements for Java? If not, just run 'apt-get install default-jre'. |
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| 10:16.57 | Thasan | petn-randall: for spigot (minecraft) and I think it requires sun/oracle java |
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| 10:17.47 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 10:17.55 | ChrisH | Thasan: what command did you executed? make-jpkg trnasforms sun(oracle) java into a deb. worked very well for me as thhere are still applications out there needing sun java 6 |
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| 10:18.13 | DrDisconsented | Doesn't Debian 8.1 have Java 8? |
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| 10:18.45 | Thasan | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-8u51-linux-x64.tar.gz |
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| 10:20.26 | petn-randall | Thasan: Which Debian release are you running? |
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| 10:20.56 | Thasan | 8.1 |
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| 10:22.35 | Thasan | oh... |
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| 10:22.45 | Thasan | only 6 and 7 are supported |
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| 10:24.12 | FemaleAnon | hey what's the best "find" utility for searching hidden files in a directory and sub directory? wildcards/patterns unnecessary |
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| 10:24.34 | petn-randall | FemaleAnon: 'find' just does that. |
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| 10:36.09 | ChrisH | Thasan: if your application supports Java 7 use openjdk (which is the reference implementation for Java 7) |
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| 10:36.44 | FemaleAnon | petn-randall, ... any idea what options would allow me to find within subdirectories and hidden files? i am in the man now but ... |
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| 10:41.10 | ChrisH | FemaleAnon: find . -print | more ?? |
| 10:42.08 | Gryf | someone familiar with nginx there ? |
| 10:42.23 | Gryf | #nginx is just so mute :s |
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| 10:46.28 | FemaleAnon | ChrisH, i keep getting "paths must precede expression" |
| 10:46.36 | FemaleAnon | *path |
| 10:47.07 | FemaleAnon | but it won't accept / or . or any subdirectory... why? |
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| 10:47.54 | ChrisH | FemaleAnon: show us the full command.. 1 line here, more lines on paste.debian.net please |
| 10:48.36 | FemaleAnon | find -L -print /home/palemoon-1 Palemoon3 |
| 10:49.32 | ChrisH | FemaleAnon: the correct command is: find /home/palemoon-1 -L -print ;the directory must be one of the early paramter...that is what "paths must precede expression" means |
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| 10:51.46 | FemaleAnon | same issue.... the expression is Palemoon3, the options are -L -print |
| 10:52.09 | FemaleAnon | find /home/palemoon-1 -print Palemoon3 find /home/palemoon-1 -print Palemoon3 |
| 10:52.12 | FemaleAnon | oops |
| 10:52.23 | FemaleAnon | find: paths must precede expression: Palemoon3 |
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| 10:53.21 | ChrisH | I did write: find /home/palemoon-1 -L -print not find /home/palemoon-1 -print Palemoon3 ; what is Palemoon3?? |
| 10:54.14 | FemaleAnon | Palemoon3 is a script that i am looking to "find" |
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| 10:54.41 | FemaleAnon | it is inside the folder palemoon-1 |
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| 10:55.23 | ChrisH | then the syntax is: find /home/palemoon-1 -name Palemoon3 |
| 10:56.31 | ChrisH | FemaleAnon: man find is not very easy to understand, but it has some nice example at the bottom part |
| 10:57.02 | FemaleAnon | ah, much appreciated. will scroll straight to the examples first next time, lol. |
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| 11:17.54 | FemaleAnon | themill, read the conversation. <oafdshjasdfhj> needed the kick, not me |
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| 11:52.39 | ElTimo | Can I get some help with mpd streaming? |
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| 11:55.51 | darxmurf | Ask :) |
| 11:56.26 | ElTimo | Alright, I have remote control working from my phone, but I can't get it to stream TO my phone. WTF? |
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| 11:56.38 | ElTimo | I'm using Mopidy, and I'll pastebin my config in a second. |
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| 11:57.25 | ElTimo | Here's my config http://pastebin.com/U6FPjzvX |
| 11:57.37 | ElTimo | Shit, don't look at that. |
| 11:58.37 | ElTimo | http://pastebin.com/ZimajYNT |
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| 11:58.41 | ElTimo | There. |
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| 12:01.12 | ElTimo | Bah. Forget it. I'm better off asking on the forums. |
| 12:01.19 | ElTimo | I'm about to go to bed anyway. |
| 12:01.26 | ElTimo | But my pride is keeping me awake. |
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| 12:02.12 | at0m | ElTimo: go #mpd if you need support on that |
| 12:02.28 | ElTimo | Eh, I'll do it in the morning. |
| 12:02.29 | at0m | ElTimo: my fav frontend is mpdroid |
| 12:02.34 | at0m | streams and controls |
| 12:02.40 | at0m | make it work on the lan first |
| 12:02.44 | ElTimo | Yeah, that's not doing dick for me. |
| 12:02.50 | ElTimo | I can control, but I can't stream. |
| 12:03.14 | at0m | try streaming to vlc or w/e then. http://$ip:$streamport |
| 12:03.42 | at0m | and set $streamport properly in /etc/mpd.conf |
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| 12:04.21 | ElTimo | VLC told me to go screw myself. |
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| 12:04.48 | at0m | !doesn't work |
| 12:04.48 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 12:05.21 | ElTimo | Jesus, can you wait 30 seconds before hitting me with that shit? |
| 12:05.34 | ElTimo | I was trying to get the error again because I cleared it by accident. |
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| 12:05.48 | at0m | ElTimo: fix your language, get some sleep, chill out. |
| 12:05.51 | ElTimo | Your input can't be opened: |
| 12:05.52 | at0m | ttyl |
| 12:05.54 | ElTimo | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://192.168.1.7:8000'. Check the log for details. |
| 12:06.00 | bazhang | does the bot have the good questions factoid |
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| 12:06.42 | at0m | dpkg: tell bazhang about ask |
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| 12:06.58 | at0m | bazhang: ask for yourself :) |
| 12:07.03 | bazhang | yeah not that |
| 12:07.14 | at0m | /msg dpkg help |
| 12:07.18 | ElTimo | at0m: There was no call to hit me with the condescending "doesn't work" bot message. |
| 12:07.24 | ElTimo | So pardon me if I'm a little touchy. |
| 12:07.35 | bazhang | Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question. |
| 12:07.40 | bazhang | that ^ |
| 12:07.57 | bazhang | ElTimo, its free support |
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| 12:08.08 | ElTimo | Yeah, but I don't expect to be belittled for it. |
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| 12:08.17 | bazhang | and very good so far ElTimo |
| 12:08.32 | themill | ElTimo: there had been a lot of lines without useful data so you were very much heading towards that. It's easier to put relevant data in a pastebin and just point to it. |
| 12:08.33 | ElTimo | It has, yes. |
| 12:08.37 | at0m | ElTimo: and #debian does expect SFW questions |
| 12:09.00 | jelly | even if your work is adminning pron sites |
| 12:09.23 | ElTimo | Fine, I'll watch my language if you agree to give me more than 10 seconds to post the output of the errors I come across. |
| 12:09.41 | at0m | we have all the time. |
| 12:10.10 | StarRain | hi there, sorry i ask again this question but i have an error like this: http://pastebin.com/eDanFycD on debian jessie , and when i do locate tcl-dev it find that one some place. |
| 12:10.20 | themill | ElTimo: I don't think waiting 14 lines and 12 minutes counts as "10 seconds" |
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| 12:11.37 | at0m | ElTimo: did you define a streaming output in mpd.conf? http://www.musicpd.org/doc/user/output_plugins.html#httpd_output |
| 12:11.55 | ElTimo | at0m: I'm actually using mopidy. |
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| 12:12.07 | Brigo | StarRain, next time run LC_ALL=C gmake pgtclsh, so we can see it in english. |
| 12:12.18 | ElTimo | I couldn't get mpd to play any sound, streamed or not. |
| 12:12.41 | ElTimo | mpdroid acted like it was playing, but no sound came out, even after I cranked the volume in alsamixer. |
| 12:12.43 | themill | StarRain: btw you do know that libpgtcl is already in Debian, don't you? |
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| 12:13.15 | ElTimo | at0m: Sorry if I'm cranky. I've been at this for four hours now with barely any success. |
| 12:13.16 | StarRain | Brigo ; can you said me the right syntax pls? |
| 12:13.37 | Brigo | that is the right syntax. |
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| 12:14.32 | at0m | ElTimo: mpdroid needs you to enable "streaming". but if vlc doesn't find the http://$ip:$streamport, it's probably not configured |
| 12:14.53 | at0m | and as such mpdroid won't be able to stream either |
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| 12:15.09 | ElTimo | It should be. I've got my IP address in that file like a hundred times. |
| 12:15.11 | StarRain | themill: dont know i try to install gnuworld and its bugs like that.. hehe :) |
| 12:15.19 | ElTimo | I can't see where I'd have missed it. |
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| 12:15.40 | ElTimo | at0m: Where would I configure that? |
| 12:15.49 | ElTimo | Or would I be better off in #mopidy? |
| 12:15.54 | at0m | ElTimo: netstat -ltp | grep 8000 |
| 12:15.56 | at0m | and, yes |
| 12:16.19 | at0m | if netstat doesn't return anything, nothing is listening on :8000 |
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| 12:16.45 | ElTimo | Nada. |
| 12:16.54 | ElTimo | Let me figure out why. |
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| 12:17.31 | at0m | ElTimo: and don't forget to restart mopidy after changing the config |
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| 12:18.49 | ElTimo | I have it configured now, but it still automatically plays on my desktop rather than my phone. |
| 12:19.52 | at0m | ElTimo: #mopidy. if it works like mpd, you can define http streaming outputs and alsa outputs and what not. config all of these that you need. |
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| 12:20.45 | ElTimo | Yeah, I'll go ask there then. |
| 12:20.51 | ElTimo | Thanks for putting up with me. |
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| 12:25.22 | slushpuppy | Hi, I have an issue with a bind mount loop that worked perfectly well on wheezy, but causes this error: kernel:[78224.171294] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [systemd:1] on jessie http://pastebin.com/8zBudgTs |
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| 12:25.40 | slushpuppy | I can confirm that the loop isn't infinite |
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| 12:37.47 | DelphiWorld | hi +++ |
| 12:37.50 | DelphiWorld | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
| 12:38.03 | DelphiWorld | debian wiki down? |
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| 12:39.18 | petn-randall | DelphiWorld: Works for me. |
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| 12:41.05 | thms | Is it possible to upgrade from debian 6 to 8 without changing the PHP version ? |
| 12:41.14 | petn-randall | ,v php5 |
| 12:41.16 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze26; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed- |
| 12:41.17 | judd | updates: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.11+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.11+dfsg-1 |
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| 12:41.36 | petn-randall | thms: no |
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| 12:42.09 | DelphiWorld | could someone test the url https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi ? not working here |
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| 12:42.25 | thms | DelphiWorld: works. |
| 12:42.28 | thms | petn-randall: thanks |
| 12:42.35 | petn-randall | DelphiWorld: I already said it works. |
| 12:42.37 | thms | petn-randall: then use an old PHP version with debian 8 ? |
| 12:42.42 | DelphiWorld | not working here sadly |
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| 12:43.28 | petn-randall | DelphiWorld: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.debian.org |
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| 12:43.59 | Carnag | Hello. I have the image (.img file) of an operating system. I'd like to convert it to a bootable iso file. Could someone help me, please ? |
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| 12:44.27 | DelphiWorld | petn-randall: could be a mirror issue? |
| 12:44.30 | biggi_mat | Hello! Is there a way to extract the preinst script from .deb package? Seems to be a bug in it but Iâm not sure, want to verify |
| 12:44.30 | petn-randall | thms: The squeeze still has limited security support. I'm not sure if PHP5 is covered, but if it is, you've still got ~9 months of security support. |
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| 12:44.58 | petn-randall | biggi_mat: You can use 'dpkg-deb' to extract content and meta-data from a package. |
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| 12:45.12 | biggi_mat | petn-randall: ouh, awsone, havenât used it before. Thanks! |
| 12:45.32 | Ticho | Carnag: use ccd2iso |
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| 12:45.40 | thms | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 12:46.31 | Carnag | Ticho : Unrecognized sector mode (0) at sector 0! |
| 12:46.47 | Carnag | Ticho : ccd2iso gave me this error |
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| 12:46.57 | Filystyn | guys i need |
| 12:47.03 | Filystyn | something like big font pack;) |
| 12:47.09 | Filystyn | how to apt-get it ? |
| 12:47.10 | Ticho | maybe it's a raw iso9660 image already, only with wrong filename suffix? |
| 12:47.11 | biggi_mat | Yup, got it, petn-randall, thanks |
| 12:47.22 | petn-randall | biggi_mat: You're welcome! |
| 12:47.23 | unborn | Filystyn, few gigs? install google fonts onto your system :) |
| 12:47.37 | Filystyn | i want to have it via apt-get |
| 12:47.43 | Filystyn | is tehre such pack or noe? :> |
| 12:47.56 | Filystyn | or some othere comand for it? |
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| 12:48.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Filystyn about search |
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| 12:48.23 | Carnag | Ticho : the file command gave me this : "DOS floppy 1440k, x86 hard disk boot sector" |
| 12:48.28 | unborn | Filystyn, search it in package manager or install google fonts over terminal |
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| 12:53.27 | h1n1 | hello |
| 12:54.09 | h1n1 | hello for all |
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| 12:58.33 | biggi_mat | By the way petn-randall - I can see preinst/postinst with dpkg-dev -I but is there a way to extract all these files since I canât probably be sure which all are there in the package just like thatâ¦maybe only these two, maybe some more I donât know about |
| 12:58.44 | okidj | Hello. I have trouble when installing a new virtual hard drive on a new scsi controller for a debian 8 virtual machine : after adding my new controller and hdd, this one is named sdb (as there is a first system hdd name sda) but just after reboot, names are switched. |
| 12:59.36 | petn-randall | biggi_mat: dpkg-deb -e is what you're looking for. |
| 12:59.53 | petn-randall | Hi h1n1, do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 13:01.00 | biggi_mat | petn-randall: rightâ¦I actually did that before but didnât specify the directory so i couldnât find them, idiot me. Thanks. |
| 13:01.49 | slushpuppy | Any particular reason why bind mounts are incredible slow in debian 8? |
| 13:01.52 | h1n1 | i have a problem at my debian 8, LVM of root partition space |
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| 13:02.02 | biggi_mat | Right, a DEBIAN folder was created, now I know |
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| 13:02.42 | h1n1 | I have a problem in my debian 8 , LVM root partition space, how do I increase the partition? |
| 13:03.01 | petn-randall | slushpuppy: They're not? |
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| 13:03.36 | biggi_mat | h1n1: uhm, extend/add a physical volume (pvextend/pvcreate), extend a volume group with the physical volume (pvextend) and then do the same with lv |
| 13:03.36 | miso__ | i don't have the skype icon in the system tray (i'm on debian/unstable kde); is there a way to get it back? |
| 13:04.01 | biggi_mat | Uhm, switch that second physical volume for volume group (vgextend) h1n1 |
| 13:04.05 | petn-randall | h1n1: Use lvextend to increase the size of the LV, then resize the filesystem with resize2fs (assuming ext2/3/4). Make sure you understand the commands, and have backups for the data (just in case). |
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| 13:04.15 | jelly | miso__: stupid question: is skype running at all? |
| 13:04.26 | miso__ | jelly: yes, currently running |
| 13:04.50 | miso__ | jelly: i've seen a fix on several forus: |
| 13:05.05 | petn-randall | miso__: How do you have it installed on sid? It should be uninstallable due to missing dependencies. |
| 13:05.07 | ChrisH | h1n1: before increasing, show us the output from: pvs, lvs, vgs on paste.debian.net |
| 13:05.22 | miso__ | jelly: i've seen a fix on several forums: sudo apt-get install sni-qt:i386, but apt-get finds no such package |
| 13:06.04 | miso__ | petn-randall: i had a problem for installing it earlier (using the deb from the website), but somehow the problem fixed itself, and everything was running fine after apt-get install -f |
| 13:06.13 | slushpuppy | petn-randall, <slushpuppy> Hi, I have an issue with a bind mount loop that worked perfectly well on wheezy, but causes this error: kernel:[78224.171294] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [systemd:1] on jessie http://pastebin.com/8zBudgTs |
| 13:06.33 | h1n1 | thanks |
| 13:06.47 | slushpuppy | I uncommented the echo. mount dashes the first 10 directories, subsequently it slows to a crawl and crashes my OS |
| 13:06.53 | miso__ | E: Package 'sni-qt:i386' has no installation candidate |
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| 13:08.00 | petn-randall | slushpuppy: What are you trying to achieve? How many bind mounts are we talking about? |
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| 13:08.18 | slushpuppy | petn-randall, 40~ directories |
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| 13:08.34 | slushpuppy | basically these directories are lighttpd chroots |
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| 13:09.18 | slushpuppy | and these chroot needs access to the 3 source dir |
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| 13:09.50 | pitiye | guys i have installed debian without gui, so how do i use a usb dongle and connect from command line ? |
| 13:09.57 | petn-randall | slushpuppy: Can you add a sleep 1 in the loop, and then monitor it on another terminal? I'm not 100% it ever terminates. |
| 13:10.02 | petn-randall | *sure |
| 13:10.35 | zanzarel | was task-database-server removed in Jessie? |
| 13:10.41 | petn-randall | pitiye: What does the USB device do? |
| 13:11.15 | slushpuppy | ok I will try that |
| 13:11.25 | petn-randall | ,v task-database-server |
| 13:11.27 | judd | Package: task-database-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.14.1 |
| 13:11.43 | pitiye | petn-randall: i use it to connect to internet |
| 13:11.44 | petn-randall | zanzarel: Apparently, yes. ^^^ you can install postgresql and postgresql-client, instead. |
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| 13:12.41 | zanzarel | petn-randall: I was wondering why. Is it because the "task" has only a couple of packages? |
| 13:13.02 | miso__ | any idea concerning the skype icon please? |
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| 13:14.06 | slushpuppy | petn-randall, 10 seconds in it hangs both terminals |
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| 13:14.24 | petn-randall | zanzarel: This is how I found the answer: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/task-database-server -> right bar, developer information (PTS) -> changelog |
| 13:14.41 | okidj | Hello. I have trouble when installing a new virtual hard drive on a new scsi controller for a debian 8 virtual machine : after adding my new controller and hdd, this one is named sdb (as there is a first system hdd named sda) but just after reboot, names are switched. . Is there a way to avoid this ? |
| 13:15.01 | zanzarel | petn-randall: thank you, I'm a newbie of the Debian world |
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| 13:15.09 | petn-randall | zanzarel: searching for 'database' show that it was dropped in 3.23. |
| 13:16.01 | petn-randall | zanzarel: You're welcome, I thought I'd show you how to find it rather than pointing you to the answer. https://packages.debian.org is a good starting point for any package-related questions, I recommend getting to know it, it's a great tool. |
| 13:17.00 | petn-randall | okidj: The solution is to use UUID to reference drives/partitions, since they're stable across reboots. |
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| 13:27.42 | okidj | well, how can I do this. should I create a sym link in /dev/disk/by-uuid ?? now, I have 1 hd and I have this in that forlder : http://pastebin.com/4KhP1WGx. How can the name of sda1 change to sdb1 (and sda to sdb..) ? |
| 13:27.44 | StarRain | Brigo; if you are there , http://pastebin.com/H3B0NgRB |
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| 13:39.05 | tlolczyk | This seems inconsistent: http://pastebin.com/9Ye6m1nk |
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| 13:54.45 | fyuza21 | hello. it seems that it was a really bad decision to go with bluez5 in debian 8. would it be possible to downgrade to bluez 4? |
| 13:55.47 | darxmurf | it's a bad decision to use Bluetooth :D |
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| 13:57.12 | Tom01 | What is a good simple command line sound player? |
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| 13:57.59 | ochiottes | Tom01: For mp3 files there's mpg123, for ogg ogg123 |
| 13:58.16 | Tom01 | thx |
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| 14:02.10 | serp0 | buenas |
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| 14:04.19 | Bennux_ | Buenas! |
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| 14:05.57 | serp0 | como andan |
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| 14:07.06 | Bennux_ | serp0: Super!... hay pocos hispanohablantes por acá. |
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| 14:13.35 | tombs | hi all, havind a lot of problems to make 5.1 sound run under testing. https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio is not helping. Any other ideas please? |
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| 14:32.56 | Qantourisc | Is python2 available in released >debian-squeeze ? |
| 14:33.05 | Qantourisc | (for application compatility) |
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| 14:33.24 | Qantourisc | as it's missing from debian-squeeze at first sight |
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| 14:35.39 | petn-randall | ,v python2 |
| 14:35.40 | judd | No package named 'python2' was found in amd64. |
| 14:35.52 | themill | Qantourisc: sure, python 2 has been in Debian for a long time and that's unlikely to change any time soon |
| 14:35.59 | petn-randall | Qantourisc: I'm sure Python 2 is in Debian since ages. |
| 14:36.07 | pfote | it is |
| 14:36.11 | Qantourisc | petn-randall: thanks, must be a distro-specific thing then |
| 14:36.16 | Qantourisc | (the excistance of a python2 bin) |
| 14:36.32 | themill | Qantourisc: /usr/bin/python2 is because Arch is silly |
| 14:36.45 | Qantourisc | themill: add gentoo to that list :) |
| 14:37.19 | themill | No, others started adding it as a symlink because it became the only way of supporting cross-distro code after Arch tried to break everything |
| 14:37.51 | Qantourisc | o dear |
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| 14:38.02 | Qantourisc | Well thanks for info |
| 14:38.44 | lattera | so my server has 16 NICs, only 12 are showing up in the netinst iso... I've got the cable plugged into one of them, and `ip link show` isn't telling me link status (which one has the cable plugged into it) |
| 14:39.04 | openstandards | likes arch, arch is so different from debian its unreal thou :) |
| 14:39.04 | lattera | what's the proper way to see the link status if `ip link show` doesn't tell me? |
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| 14:43.03 | colo-work | lattera, try ethtool |
| 14:43.07 | colo-work | (or sysfs attributes) |
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| 14:43.32 | colo-work | iirc, it's /sys/class/net/eth*/carrier |
| 14:43.37 | lattera | no ethtool in netinst iso |
| 14:43.47 | tlolczyk | This seems inconsistent: http://pastebin.com/9Ye6m1nk Can anyone explain? |
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| 14:49.28 | ChrisH | tlolczyk: inconsistent where, I cannot see |
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| 14:51.24 | tlolczyk | ChrisH: In the first command it says /usr/bin/apol is in setools-gui. In the second it does not list it as part of setools-gui. |
| 14:52.17 | ChrisH | tlolczyk: you want to use apt-file show setools-gui for the second test |
| 14:53.43 | tlolczyk | ChrisH: Thank you. |
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| 15:00.57 | taterbase | Hi everyone, I had a question regarding {package}.install files and dh_install |
| 15:01.13 | taterbase | Specifically, if I list a folder to install to that doesn't exist... will it get created? |
| 15:01.18 | taterbase | Such as... |
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| 15:01.39 | taterbase | folder/run /etc/service/myservice/run |
| 15:01.44 | taterbase | where /etc/service exists |
| 15:01.50 | taterbase | but /etc/service/myservice does not |
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| 15:23.50 | whitephoenix | I ran my installation cd again and I still only have the basic install |
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| 15:25.01 | whitephoenix | During installation I wasn't asked to choose a mirror |
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| 15:29.11 | mtn | whitephoenix, sounds like a bad install disk or not the debian installer |
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| 15:30.21 | whitephoenix | idk all I know is I have a basic install right now |
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| 15:31.55 | mtn | whitephoenix, there is only one version of the debian installer |
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| 15:32.17 | mtn | whitephoenix, is this the debian stable installer? what is the iso name? |
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| 15:32.40 | whitephoenix | firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 15:33.33 | mtn | whitephoenix, and what choice are you choosing when starting the installer? from the main menu, that is. |
| 15:33.51 | whitephoenix | I've tried install and graphical install |
| 15:33.54 | whitephoenix | if thats what you mean |
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| 15:35.18 | mtn | whitephoenix, if it does not ask you to choose where to get packages, something is wrong with what you downloaded or how you burned it. |
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| 15:36.05 | whitephoenix | I've tried usb which didn't work so now I use cd; I've tried 3 different isos all of which don't ask |
| 15:36.40 | mtn | whitephoenix, no idea, never seen that with the debian installer |
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| 15:39.02 | whitephoenix | actually now that I think about it it couldn't find a dhcp server or whatever so I said do not configure network |
| 15:39.18 | mtn | whitephoenix, well, there you go! |
| 15:39.23 | whitephoenix | yeah |
| 15:39.43 | whitephoenix | not sure why that part doesn't work though, using ethernet |
| 15:39.46 | mtn | whitephoenix, have you checked the debian wiki for your network cards? |
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| 15:40.14 | whitephoenix | I don't have wireless, I have ethernet connected to my router over powerline |
| 15:40.26 | mtn | whitephoenix, doesn't matter, did you check the wiki? |
| 15:40.38 | lattera | is there a way to ask linux's dd to tell me how far it's gotten? |
| 15:40.48 | whitephoenix | checking now |
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| 15:41.40 | DarsVaeda | might anyone have an idea on this: http://superuser.com/questions/945929/configure-gnome3-with-2-graphic-cards-and-3-monitors |
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| 15:42.35 | whitephoenix | where could I find the wiki page? |
| 15:42.49 | whitephoenix | don't see it probably just searching the wrong thing |
| 15:43.01 | mtn | whitephoenix, google: debian wiki network |
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| 15:43.07 | Enissay | Hi guys, how can I upgrade my python 2.7.3 to 2.7.9 please ? |
| 15:43.48 | whitephoenix | Okay |
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| 15:44.44 | mtn | whitephoenix, what is the lan card/chip? |
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| 15:45.09 | whitephoenix | just a sec let me check my manual |
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| 15:45.37 | chanoh | On a jessie system, my thinkpad x201's brightness fn-keys don't work as expected, whereas under wheezy they worked out of the box |
| 15:45.47 | mtn | whitephoenix, best to use the commands to check, since the manual may not actually tell you the chip name |
| 15:46.06 | whitephoenix | okay whats the command |
| 15:46.15 | whitephoenix | I'm a linux noob if it wasn't obvious |
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| 15:46.35 | mtn | whitephoenix, the wiki would have told you :P lspci -nn don't paste the results here, though ;) |
| 15:46.51 | mtn | whitephoenix, no worries, got to start somewhere |
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| 15:47.45 | whitephoenix | command not found rip |
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| 15:48.24 | mtn | whitephoenix, "lspci -nn" without the " marks. copy and paste to make sure no typos |
| 15:48.39 | whitephoenix | nvm |
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| 15:48.56 | whitephoenix | can't copy and paste, using family laptop until my main rig works |
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| 15:49.31 | mtn | whitephoenix, then type carefully :) |
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| 15:50.52 | mtn | whitephoenix, how are you accessing the problem computer? which os? |
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| 15:51.24 | whitephoenix | using my minimal debian install |
| 15:51.35 | whitephoenix | http://pastebin.com/XgwHE8bZ |
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| 15:55.20 | mtn | whitephoenix, looks like that card should be supported by the firmware iso, like the one you have. maybe something odd about your network setup. |
| 15:55.43 | whitephoenix | I am using powerline networking so that could be doing something |
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| 15:56.22 | mtn | whitephoenix, could be. I have no experience with that |
| 15:56.43 | mtn | whitephoenix, can you use a lan connection to get it installed? |
| 15:56.55 | whitephoenix | no |
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| 16:15.24 | medicalwei | dpkg zh |
| 16:15.24 | dpkg | i guess zh is å¦ææ¨æ³è¦ä»¥ä¸æå¾å° Debian ç¸éçåå©ï¼è«å å
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| 16:17.05 | Qantourisc | themill: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ <= I'm araid it's debian who is beeing silly |
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| 16:19.06 | lattera | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware <- do the listed locations (like /usr/local/lib/firmware) work for debian 8 as well? |
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| 16:20.31 | whitephoenix | I'm reinstalling and it says I need rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
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| 16:23.28 | whitephoenix | How do I check if my network is using the dhcp protocol |
| 16:23.36 | nyuszika7h | does anyone have an idea why this just happened during an apt-get upgrade? http://dpaste.com/3JV8EGM |
| 16:24.05 | nyuszika7h | similar issues happened earlier on high I/O load, but never during an upgrade (not even during dist-upgrade, and this is a smaller one) |
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| 16:29.21 | Brigo | whitephoenix, with a dhcp client |
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| 16:30.08 | whitephoenix | I'm not sure what to do now, network autoconfig failed |
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| 16:30.39 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, the filesystem is badly damaged, it if happend earlier, it could be a hard disk failure. Did you check smart? |
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| 16:31.04 | Brigo | whitephoenix, are you with the tipical home router? |
| 16:31.09 | nyuszika7h | nope, I'll tell the admin of the host system to check that (it's a KVM virtual machin |
| 16:31.11 | nyuszika7h | e) |
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| 16:31.26 | smartass | whitephoenix: try it again, chances are it was just a timeout |
| 16:31.28 | whitephoenix | yeah, I'm using ethernet over powerline to connect to it |
| 16:31.38 | whitephoenix | I've tried several times |
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| 16:31.51 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, good for you :) |
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| 16:32.42 | Brigo | whitephoenix, can you reach the router? |
| 16:32.54 | whitephoenix | yes |
| 16:33.10 | ChrisH | nyuszika7h: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1167577 does not look like a Debian issue, but muitgh be fixed for/in RH |
| 16:33.19 | Brigo | then you can try to configure a static ip, are you using network-manager ? |
| 16:33.34 | whitephoenix | not sure what that is so probably not |
| 16:34.02 | __izy__ | how well and what types of ssd debian supports? |
| 16:34.04 | Brigo | whitephoenix, are you in graphic mode? gnome or so? |
| 16:34.15 | ChrisH | nyuszika7h: remove the RH part from my statement... but it might s still be a kernel issue and/or fauly HW |
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| 16:34.22 | whitephoenix | I'm installing from usb in graphical install |
| 16:34.49 | Brigo | ChrisH, if it is a container, then the kernel could be a redhat one. |
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| 16:35.17 | Brigo | whitephoenix, ah, are you installing debian 8 ? |
| 16:35.23 | ChrisH | Brigo: shure, but its Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 |
| 16:35.24 | whitephoenix | yep |
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| 16:35.57 | Brigo | whitephoenix, then when the network autoconfiguration fails you should be asked for the static ip. |
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| 16:36.27 | whitephoenix | after it fails I have 4 options; retry autoconfig, retry autoconfig with dhcp hostname, configure manually, do not configure |
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| 16:36.51 | Brigo | try configure manually. what is the router ip? |
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| 16:37.02 | whitephoenix | 192.168.0.1 |
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| 16:37.40 | Brigo | then when the installer ask you for the ip use something like 192.168.0.10, |
| 16:37.59 | whitephoenix | will the ip I had when I used windows work? |
| 16:38.00 | Brigo | default getaway 192.168.0.1, network mask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:38.07 | Brigo | whitephoenix, yes |
| 16:38.16 | whitephoenix | okay now netmask |
| 16:38.36 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.58 | whitephoenix | and gateway ip is 192.168.0.1 right? |
| 16:39.19 | Brigo | yes, the router is the gateway |
| 16:39.45 | whitephoenix | okay no idea what to do for name servers |
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| 16:39.56 | Brigo | the secure option: 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:40.04 | Brigo | google's one |
| 16:40.14 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 16:40.21 | Brigo | and easy to remember :) |
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| 16:42.00 | whitephoenix | Okay now it wants a domain name |
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| 16:43.15 | Brigo | whitephoenix, that's your problem :) |
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| 16:45.52 | whitephoenix | where could I find it? I don't see it in ipconfig |
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| 16:46.29 | whitephoenix | nvm |
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| 16:47.38 | rmblrd21 | hello. I got a bluetooth headset. with debian jessie i do not have hsp / hfp profiles when connecting the device. any idea what is wrong here? |
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| 16:53.06 | whitephoenix | oh boy more issues |
| 16:53.08 | whitephoenix | bad archive mirror |
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| 16:53.39 | jhutchin1 | rmblrd21: See what dmesg says when you plug it in. |
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| 16:55.07 | ggggll | just installed a fresh debian install on my new thinkpad x220. Any links on how to get the wireless driver working? thanks! |
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| 16:55.18 | rmblrd21 | dmesg says nothing. a2dp is working but hsp is not |
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| 16:56.38 | mtn | ggggll, start with the debian wiki on wifi |
| 16:56.48 | zykotick9 | ggggll: link at https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 16:57.33 | whitephoenix | okay I tried to ping google and it says bad address |
| 16:57.52 | greycat | well, that's probably true. "google" is not a FQDN. |
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| 16:58.00 | ggggll | thanks :) |
| 16:58.12 | greycat | so it'll append your default search domain to "google." and try that |
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| 17:10.13 | whitephoenix | as much as I want to use debian I've spent the past 3 days trying to install it, I might try another distro |
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| 17:10.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:11.12 | osmo_SMS | xD |
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| 17:29.20 | jhutchins_wk | ,v samba |
| 17:29.22 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2; stretch: |
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| 17:36.02 | Intensity | Hi. I'm interested in using the Grub fallback mechanism. However, the low level Grub documentation talks about modifying grub.cfg directly. But Debian's update-grub auto-generates that using /etc/default/grub details. Is there a best practices way to use the fallback system but in such a way that it's resilient to an update-grub command? |
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| 17:36.31 | nycloud | dpkg: error processing package openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 (--remove): |
| 17:36.31 | nycloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.31 | nycloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.31 | dpkg | nycloud: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:36.55 | nycloud | http://dpaste.com/0FDN9S1 |
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| 17:41.15 | nycloud | ok, never mind, fixed that |
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| 17:43.18 | dutchfish | Intensity, if you are brace enough you could build that from source and install the ucf, its not easy |
| 17:43.25 | dutchfish | s/brace/brave |
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| 17:44.26 | dutchfish | Intensity, is it a known bug? |
| 17:45.12 | greycat | Intensity: I think you're supposed to modify the contents of /etc/grub.d/ (possibly adding new files) |
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| 17:46.01 | Intensity | dutchfish: No; for me it's a matter of understanding. There is a working kernel and a new kernel I want to try. The old (stable) one is the one that's booted. I'd just like to know how to specify to grub (by way of Debian best practices and /etc/default/grub) that I'd like to use the fallback mechanism. |
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| 17:46.49 | dutchfish | Intensity, https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers |
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| 17:47.37 | Intensity | greycat: Hmm. Yeah I thought that in the 40_custom file in that directory I'm meant to add something like "set fallback 1", but I only know of one web page that talks of that (so far). I would have thought "fallback 1" (without the set) would work. Also I'm not sure if the two (old and new) kernels need to be decorated with fallback keywords in addition to that simple "fallback N" directive. |
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| 17:51.42 | nyuszika7h | not sure what was the nick of the person helping me, lost logs because of FS error. anyway admin said it is very unlikely to be a hardware issue, checked SMART and RAID |
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| 17:54.11 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, may be he was me :) |
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| 17:55.27 | nyuszika7h | etckeeper's git repo got corrupted in the process, because the error happened in the middle of an apt upgrade. >_> |
| 17:56.20 | dutchfish | Intensity, as of now /etc/grub.d/40_custom can hold 'set fallback=#' or 'set fallback={exact menyentry name}' on jessie for grub2 |
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| 17:56.55 | dutchfish | Intensity, i just hacked grub 2 for this and created an ucf installer myself |
| 17:59.15 | Intensity | dutchfish: Cool. Well I think then the only thing I need to work out is what to put for GRUB_DEFAULT and what to put for N in "set fallback=N". The working kernel version is the older one, and when I co-install the newer one too, then the newer one with the higher number becomes grub's preference to list first (so it becomes slot 0). |
| 17:59.17 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, the filesystem, ext4, does not fail no matter what you write to or read from it. The why the filesystem failed should be another thing, may be logs can tell us some more. |
| 17:59.42 | dutchfish | Intensity, # go top down from 0 to .... |
| 18:00.01 | dutchfish | Intensity, (dont play with this on a remote system) |
| 18:00.07 | Intensity | I suppose then I'd put fallback=1 and leave DEFAULT to be 0. It's a remote server so I have to be careful not to make it inaccessible. |
| 18:01.12 | dutchfish | Intensity, i still got in trouble, because of a kernel that didnt crash but frooze up for the one i was testing, leaving me in the dark, hence i created my own ucf for this |
| 18:01.28 | Intensity | I don't know how grub determines a boot didn't succeed - when does it clear the failure? Anyhow I think as long as I can give the fallback mechanism a try then I have a chance. |
| 18:01.42 | Intensity | Thanks for your feedback. |
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| 18:01.50 | dutchfish | Intensity, yw, be safe |
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| 18:02.10 | nyuszika7h | Brigo: more logs are unlikely because the FS was remounted read-only, already did fsck and reboot |
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| 18:02.46 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, no problem, we need the logs before and during the fail, not after. |
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| 18:07.06 | lattera | https://packages.debian.org/en/jessie/sudo <- how do I know what repo that's in? |
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| 18:11.33 | detergnet | lattera: if it doesn't say [non-free] or [contrib] after the package version, it's in main |
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| 18:12.10 | squinty | lattera, apt-cache policy <package name> |
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| 18:32.13 | lattera | so I have main, contrib, and non-free set up as my package repos |
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| 18:32.17 | lattera | and I can't even find sudo |
| 18:32.21 | lattera | which package repo is sudo in? |
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| 18:32.55 | zykotick9 | lattera: the "sudo" package is in main |
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| 18:34.44 | karlpinc` | lattera: But you shouldn't have to care about what repo it's in, just install it. (FWIW I find "su -" works better.) |
| 18:34.50 | lattera | I can't install it apparently |
| 18:34.55 | lattera | because apt-get can't find it |
| 18:35.01 | lattera | plain vanilla install of debian |
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| 18:35.13 | karlpinc` | lattera: Have you done an "apt-get update"? |
| 18:35.15 | lattera | and yes, I did `apt-get update` first |
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| 18:35.56 | equa | lattera: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:35.57 | zykotick9 | lattera: could your share your /etc/apt/sources.list file perhaps? |
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| 18:36.29 | karlpinc` | lattera: I suppose you could paste the error message too. (Maybe your mirror is bad?) |
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| 18:37.25 | lattera | http://pastebin.com/yFAYRvcZ <- /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:37.41 | zykotick9 | :(.. pastebin.com |
| 18:38.04 | equa | lattera: you're missing the main repo |
| 18:38.28 | lattera | how do I know what the main repo is if https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages doesn't list it? |
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| 18:38.49 | lattera | and, I'm not missing it |
| 18:38.57 | karlpinc` | !sources.list |
| 18:38.57 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:38.58 | lattera | line 8 |
| 18:39.33 | karlpinc` | lattera: Line 8 is only for security updates. |
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| 18:40.08 | karlpinc` | lattera: You're missing the very first line mentioned by the bot. |
| 18:40.14 | karlpinc` | (above) |
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| 18:40.43 | lattera | it'd be nice if the official package site told me what the repo lines were |
| 18:40.53 | karlpinc` | lattera: You must have installed off of cd/dvd instead of the recommended netintstall method. |
| 18:41.06 | lattera | couldn't use netinstall |
| 18:41.16 | lattera | because netinstall doesn't have my network drivers |
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| 18:42.02 | lattera | but why would the package list be any different between the cd/dvd and netinstall for a base install? |
| 18:42.23 | karlpinc` | lattera: So the install assumes you'll want to continue to install off of the cds. But yes, the cd install method could leave the network-related sources.list lines commented out in the file. You could file a bug report. |
| 18:43.03 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc`: Does an offline install even fill in the network repos? |
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| 18:43.34 | jhutchins_wk | I know there are distros that put all their repos in the source file but comment out everything but the main official one. |
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| 18:43.49 | jhutchins_wk | Debian doesn't usually hand-hold quite that much. |
| 18:43.52 | karlpinc` | jhutchins_wk: I don't really remember. It's been too long. I thought it put something in for security updates.... |
| 18:44.15 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: in my experience, without network, debian does enable the security repo... that that's it |
| 18:44.19 | jhutchins_wk | That's the problem with troubleshooting the installer - once you've run it, you're done! |
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| 18:44.42 | zykotick9 | s/that that's it/but that's it/ |
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| 18:45.32 | karlpinc` | lattera: I bet there's an example line in "man sources.list". |
| 18:45.53 | equa | it's fixed now. that's why were in this channel :D |
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| 18:50.39 | lattera | karlpinc`: great to know... now if only I knew there was a sources.list manpage |
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| 18:51.23 | StarRain | some people can help me on : http://pastebin.com/H3B0NgRB , thanks :) |
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| 18:52.37 | jhutchins_wk | StarRain: Summarize your problem. |
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| 18:53.48 | StarRain | i configure the pgtclsh on Jessie, to install gnuworld and when i gmake the thing it make me always this error.. |
| 18:54.01 | StarRain | so i dont understend why |
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| 18:55.37 | equa | StarRain: your program is trying to call a few functions. it's either missing or you forgot to add the header to the program. |
| 18:56.05 | StarRain | equa ; ok but when i locate the files it said me that: http://pastebin.com/ewnZ2LM6 |
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| 18:56.34 | StarRain | i need to try some thing in configure to work? |
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| 18:57.22 | ChrisH | StarRain: a lib with the two symbols from lines 7 and 8 is missing. no header file and no shell sript |
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| 18:57.53 | StarRain | ChrisH ; ok and how i fixe that? |
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| 18:59.22 | jhutchins_wk | StarRain: Where did you get the source code you're working from? |
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| 19:01.24 | StarRain | jhutchins_wk: im based on http://chulbulax.blogspot.ca/2013/10/installing-ircu-gnuworld-on-ubuntu.html , to install gnuworld |
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| 19:03.12 | ChrisH | StarRain: that looks ugly. |
| 19:03.19 | StarRain | jhutchins_wk ; i try to install the version 1.5 on jessie |
| 19:03.44 | karlpinc` | lattera: Debian policy says everything has a man page. (Although sometimes the man page says to look at the info page or someplace else.) |
| 19:04.06 | karlpinc` | lattera: The other thing to know about is the readme.debian file. |
| 19:04.12 | karlpinc` | !tell lattera about readme.debian |
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| 19:04.44 | lattera | ugh, now some bot privmsg'd me |
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| 19:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | StarRain: That software hasn't been updated since 2008, it may not be compatible with current releases. |
| 19:08.08 | equa | StarRain: have you modified pgtclAppInit.c to have the include? #include "libpgtcl.h" |
| 19:08.12 | jhutchins_wk | StarRain: Also, the latest release of gnuworld was 2.7. |
| 19:08.26 | StarRain | equa yes |
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| 19:11.08 | equa | StarRain: you're missig ntclStubsPtr. your so is missing two functions: PQconnectionNeedsPassword and PQconnectionUsedPassword. go get it from a new source or newer version |
| 19:11.25 | nyuszika7h | Brigo, I can't find anything in /var/log/{syslog,messages} and it seems systemd was using volatile journal (fixed that now) |
| 19:11.37 | nyuszika7h | oh well, we'll see next time it happens |
| 19:11.50 | Brigo | nyuszika7h, what a pitty :/ |
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| 19:14.30 | GreeningGalaxy | anyone here know how to get skype working on debian? |
| 19:14.34 | GreeningGalaxy | specifically Jessie |
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| 19:15.07 | Brigo | GreeningGalaxy, yes, me |
| 19:15.29 | jhutchins_wk | !skype |
| 19:15.29 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>. |
| 19:15.31 | Brigo | GreeningGalaxy, https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 19:15.54 | GreeningGalaxy | sure have seen a lot of "please use alternatives" |
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| 19:16.15 | jhutchins_wk | Probably because you're trying to do things the way you would in Windows. |
| 19:16.20 | GreeningGalaxy | sure, I hate skype just as much as the next nerd, but there's that annoying little problem that all my friends and family use it, lol |
| 19:16.33 | GreeningGalaxy | and expect me to have it |
| 19:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | GreeningGalaxy: Yeah, it's not realistic to use one of the other services, they really lack the infrastructure. |
| 19:18.30 | jhutchins_wk | It's like you can set up your own wired phone, but it's not goign to do you much good unless you connect it to the phone network. |
| 19:18.43 | GreeningGalaxy | right |
| 19:19.18 | GreeningGalaxy | I did some cursory googles to see if integration with empathy/kde-telepathy/whatever else had come any further, but predictably it seems not |
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| 19:46.13 | gghjii | installed a fresh deb8 which had xfce. is there anyway to disable xfce booting up when I start my machine? |
| 19:46.36 | equa | dpkg: tell gghjii about nodm |
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| 19:46.58 | gghjii | eh? |
| 19:47.06 | Brigo | gghjii, you can disable the display manager. |
| 19:47.14 | gghjii | oh got a pm off the bot |
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| 19:53.43 | miskatonic | then of course xinitrc should launch xfce somehow, especially its window manager , whatever it is. I can't remember all default wms of all desktop envs by heart. |
| 19:53.59 | voraistos | hello |
| 19:54.09 | voraistos | I'm a bit perplexed |
| 19:54.24 | voraistos | a server which was running fine refuses to establish any connetion |
| 19:54.29 | sidi | I'm currently packaging my app for debian, for specific systems over a short time span. I have no interest in maintaining the package or getting it published in Debian (it's just software for an experiment). I need to add (and then remove) a line to /etc/security/pam_env.conf when installing my package. I understand from https://serverfault.com/questions/391131/modify-foreign-files-by-a-debian-package that the proper approach is to re-package libpam-modules |
| 19:54.29 | sidi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.06 | Brigo | sidi, the post-install script? |
| 19:55.07 | voraistos | the machine simply stopped accepting certain connections |
| 19:55.18 | voraistos | still pinging and definitely running though |
| 19:55.25 | Brigo | voraistos, what about the firewall? |
| 19:55.30 | miskatonic | which server for which protocol? There are gazillions of "servers" in debian, let alone clients for servers located elsewhere |
| 19:55.41 | voraistos | no changes were made to the firewall I think |
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| 19:56.02 | voraistos | by server i mean the machine running debian (jessie) |
| 19:56.06 | Brigo | voraistos, it's the usual culprit, check it out. |
| 19:56.23 | voraistos | been running fine for a cuple of weeks though havent messed around with iptable or anything |
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| 19:56.51 | voraistos | does jessie do firewalls differently ? |
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| 19:57.42 | voraistos | I have no ssh nothing |
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| 19:58.31 | voraistos | all i can do is boot a rescue system, mount the partitions and look at the logs |
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| 19:58.52 | Brigo | voraistos, jessi don't do firewall at all. |
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| 20:00.57 | Brigo | voraistos, may be the system was restarted, and the firewall rules lost. |
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| 20:01.12 | sidi | Brigo, would that do? http://pastebin.com/zLxTzsJF Sorry for the silly question but, I just need to put this and call it "postinst" in debian/, right? My package is a library, I noticed I have some lib*-1.install and lib*-dev.install. Should I use lib*-1.postinst? |
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| 20:01.55 | equa | voraistos: are you able to boot up in normal mode? |
| 20:02.21 | Brigo | sidi, really not sure, sorry. I have never build a package by myself. You can ask in #debian-mentors, in oftc network. |
| 20:02.29 | miskatonic | there's more than one way to do firewalls with debian |
| 20:02.36 | sidi | Brigo, oh alright, thanks for the help either way |
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| 20:02.53 | voraistos | Brigo it should be running stock and had not been restarted until now when we loaded the rescue system |
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| 20:04.13 | voraistos | only noticeable issue was some chinese IP trying (and failing) to log-in as root |
| 20:04.39 | voraistos | which has never been aproblem in the past |
| 20:04.42 | Brigo | voraistos, and your connections? |
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| 20:06.57 | voraistos | Sorry, what do you mean to ask ? |
| 20:07.09 | voraistos | (i dont understand the question) |
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| 20:09.33 | voraistos | Brigo ? |
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| 20:13.05 | voraistos | OOOOO FUCK |
| 20:13.10 | voraistos | Brigo |
| 20:13.14 | voraistos | please tell me |
| 20:13.33 | voraistos | if by any chance someone screwed up /etc/shadow somehow |
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| 20:13.56 | voraistos | and for some reason certain cervices get restarted, or pam complains or whatever |
| 20:14.12 | voraistos | could it cause my symptoms? |
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| 20:14.27 | voraistos | no httpd, no ssh, etc |
| 20:14.42 | voraistos | you know what |
| 20:14.53 | voraistos | I have a feeling its gonna be that |
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| 20:15.20 | {756d6f} | voraistos, you said you have log access. what does your auth.log say? |
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| 20:15.40 | {756d6f} | try running cat /var/log/auth.log | grep 'sshd.*Invalid' as root |
| 20:15.58 | greycat | useless use of cat... |
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| 20:16.43 | cjenah | when I download anything with cclive from youtube, the extension is missing. Does it work for anyone of you? |
| 20:16.53 | voraistos | is it? I always do it like that lol. cat file | grep stuff |
| 20:16.57 | squinty | thinks "oh good the ocd nit pickers are also here too" |
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| 20:18.38 | {756d6f} | gets the job done. |
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| 20:18.50 | Brigo | voraistos, yes, it can |
| 20:18.53 | voraistos | yes, there are a few entries there |
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| 20:19.39 | Brigo | voraistos, what did you change in /etc/shadows? do you have backups? |
| 20:20.00 | cjenah | dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:20.00 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:20.08 | voraistos | Brigo I'm going to look into that shadow file |
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| 20:20.30 | voraistos | i did not change /etc/shadow |
| 20:20.42 | voraistos | i did notice however that someone else nano'd it |
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| 20:21.08 | Brigo | can you paste the errors in paste.debian.net? |
| 20:21.11 | greycat | How did you "notice" this, and what did they do to it? |
| 20:21.11 | voraistos | ... obviously to copy/paste passwords from our previous server |
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| 20:21.21 | voraistos | bash log lol |
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| 20:23.10 | wdouglass | Hi all. I'm trying to mirror an ubuntu repository with reprepro, and my Packages files always seem to be empty (for every component except main). does anyone here have experience troubleshooting reprepro databases? |
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| 20:26.33 | loop3r_ | is here some ffmpeg specialist ?:P I can't find out how remove fisheye effect using ffmpeg lenscorrection or frei0r plugin defish0r, Every example is not working ? |
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| 20:30.09 | pflanze | Android phone owners may want to disable MMS auto-retrieval immediately: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9954686 |
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| 20:38.00 | jhutchins | Very strange. My host's DNS resolvers changed, and I couldn't reach it by hostname. I could reach https by IP, but not ssh. When I fixed the DNS entries so it resolved again, ssh started working. |
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| 20:41.59 | mo1991reg | my cable router seems to have reset to the defaults without me resetting it. It is a home router that I own, and my understanding is that sometimes the cable company will send out updates to the firmware automatically. This shouldn't reset all of the settings to default though I wouldn't think? Any ideas? |
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| 20:42.30 | mo1991reg | any ideas what may have caused this?? This is the second time it's happened in the last year |
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| 20:45.31 | greyness_ | anyone around to help me with a sound not working problem? |
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| 20:47.45 | jhutchins | nmap doesn't see the ssh port without DNS working. |
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| 20:50.43 | karlpinc` | jhutchins: The default ssh (or sshd?) config changed regards reverse dns lookup recently. Maybe if your config is old ssh won't work without dns? I think the change disabled reverse dns lookup -- or something. |
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| 21:01.01 | jhutchins | karlpinc`: The _server_ had dns resolution, but the _client_ could not resolve the server. Once it could, both client and nmap could see the port. |
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| 21:01.26 | whitephoenix | Installing debian from live usb and got error: file /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found any ideas? |
| 21:01.27 | jhutchins | karlpinc`: The client should be perfectly happy to connect by IP. |
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| 21:31.22 | jnoah | hello, is there a package for developing gtk/glade2 UIs? There is glade which does gtk3 afaik, but I am looking for gtk2 support (sadly). |
| 21:31.46 | jnoah | iirc, glade2 support last through version 3.8 of glade |
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| 21:32.11 | jnoah | and at least for a while that was maintained separately, though I am not seeing the glade2 package any more |
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| 21:36.17 | whitephoenix | I have a ntfs hard drive that fdisk says is hidden, how do I make it visible? |
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| 21:44.07 | CrowX- | when I try to fetch an image from my debian server, I get this error "The certificate's owner does not match hostname" |
| 21:44.26 | CrowX- | but from my home computer, I can fetch that same image without a problem |
| 21:44.34 | CrowX- | what is the reason? |
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| 21:50.25 | brontosaurusrex | CrowX-: self-signed cert? |
| 21:51.00 | CrowX- | brontosaurusrex, it says that too in the error :) |
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| 21:58.08 | jnoah | I ended up building Glade 3.8.5. It's sad, but understandable that debian no longer supports that version |
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| 21:59.24 | whitephoenix | such issues, need to get ethernet working so I can download gparted, so I can fix my hard drive, so I can put everything on my ssd onto my hard drive, so I can reinstall using whole ssd |
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| 22:05.43 | srg | What's the best way to repartition a HDD with Windows currently on it (in order to make space for a dual boot)? |
| 22:05.53 | srg | boot up a gparted live USB or something? |
| 22:06.12 | srg | (i'll backup the windows partition, of course, in case something goes wrong during the resizing) |
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| 22:11.36 | Kevin` | srg: that's a sufficient method |
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| 22:15.10 | srg | Kevin`: alright, thanks! |
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| 22:21.12 | critter | hi |
| 22:21.20 | flso | i have an issue.... how do I sudo apt-get install make ? |
| 22:21.43 | flso | i added the update repository... do I need another repository? I need the make and gcc compilers |
| 22:21.47 | xperia | Hi Al.. I have read that help is needed for porting debian packages to compile error free with the new c++11 standard. Exist somewhere a official statement by the debian developers about this and can be further information be found about this in example which people to contact where in case of questions, howtos and so on so people can start organise and help with this ? |
| 22:21.48 | critter | I have a full disk encryption setup |
| 22:22.03 | critter | and my password is guessed over and over again |
| 22:22.08 | critter | how is that possible? |
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| 22:22.42 | flso | critter, what do you mean? someone is remotely attempting to determine your password? |
| 22:22.50 | nkuttler | critter: guessed? what does that mean? |
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| 22:23.04 | critter | flso: I think is local |
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| 22:23.35 | openstandards | flso, build-essential :) |
| 22:23.37 | Kevin` | flso: it's part of the base repository, although I normally install it with build-essential |
| 22:23.44 | critter | nkuttler: people, lets say, to annoy me, tell me my password |
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| 22:23.50 | openstandards | apt-get install build-essential :) |
| 22:23.55 | nkuttler | critter: let's say? be factual |
| 22:24.14 | critter | nkuttler: ok, to annoy me |
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| 22:24.47 | nkuttler | critter: what makes you think "it is local", and what is this "it"? |
| 22:25.18 | critter | nkuttler: because the ones that tell me my pass are people from work |
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| 22:25.23 | flso | critter, if your password is sufficiently complex that they can't brute force it with ease, then you've probably got a keylogger. nkuttler, it sounds like an office prank - someone keeps finding his password |
| 22:25.40 | nkuttler | critter: talk to your boss about it |
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| 22:25.51 | critter | nkuttler, flso: from a fresh install? |
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| 22:26.09 | nkuttler | critter: does it matter? your coworkers are disturbing your work |
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| 22:26.44 | nkuttler | critter: if they have a way to get your password they should disclose it or tell you how to avoid it, not get you to waste your time on irc |
| 22:26.58 | critter | nkuttler: thats right, the problem is that I like to focus on a scientific explanaitio |
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| 22:27.19 | nkuttler | critter: ask your boss if he thinks it's something you should focus on |
| 22:27.23 | openstandards | critter, you mean you like to waste time? :) |
| 22:27.29 | critter | nkuttler: I mean, maybe source is modified so they write plaintext pass on mbr sector or so? |
| 22:27.31 | flso | nkuttler, this is hilarious |
| 22:27.35 | Kevin` | critter: did you let them use your pc when you were not present? |
| 22:27.39 | nkuttler | critter: don't care |
| 22:28.04 | lasdam | nkuttler: seriously, he's just asking for a technical answer. if you can't provide it and you don't want to waste your time trying to provide it, then just don't, but let the man be curious |
| 22:28.09 | critter | Kevin: Its a shared office, so I must think my pc can be tampered with |
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| 22:28.29 | nkuttler | lasdam: if you want to help him differently do that, but don't tell me what to do |
| 22:28.46 | Kevin` | critter: then it may have been, full disk encryption can't protect against tampering |
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| 22:30.16 | flso | Kevin`, i can't get build-essential from my repositories... I have http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian and http://security.debian.org/ |
| 22:30.29 | critter | Kevin: The thing is, they achieve that in a very quick way, from a fresh install |
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| 22:30.47 | nkuttler | !tell flso about sources.list |
| 22:31.06 | lasdam | nkuttler: I just think the repetition of your answer is unnecessary. your answer is fine, but the way you repeat it is kind of bullying, you're indirectly saying "stop wasting my time" without giving a technical/reasonable explanation for why you think it's a waste of time, that's all. |
| 22:31.30 | nkuttler | lasdam: #debian-offtopic |
| 22:31.31 | Kevin` | critter: it wouldn't take any more than a few minutes with the computer to reinstall the malware, then wait for you to use it again |
| 22:31.34 | flso | critter, have you done a sha256sum of your install .iso file? |
| 22:31.38 | Kevin` | critter: assuming it's not a hardware device |
| 22:31.58 | lasdam | nkuttler: it's off-topic to respond "stop wasting my time" everytime someone writes something too, mkay |
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| 22:33.04 | critter | flso, Kevin: yes, sha256sum ok. Where can they install the malware? replace kernel images? remember is a full disk encryption setup |
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| 22:33.51 | flso | critter, i assume that you prevent them from accessing your system while it is running/logged in? |
| 22:33.58 | Kevin` | critter: initrd or some specialized pre-boot software |
| 22:34.22 | flso | critter, are they aquiring your user/root password or your boot password? |
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| 22:34.38 | openstandards | could they just be recording you typing in your password... |
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| 22:35.17 | critter | flso: I think both of them |
| 22:35.49 | Kevin` | critter: initrd is the easiest way.. just change the script that asks for the password, but unless these are very technical users it's more likely they are using an off-the-shelf solution that will work with any os |
| 22:37.15 | critter | kevin: Another weird behaviour I found, when this started to happen, I was working on iptables, I have everything on DROP, and I keep getting DHCP address (???) |
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| 22:37.51 | Kevin` | dhcp clients often use a raw socket, not ip traffic, so might work anyway |
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| 22:40.31 | blackflow | Hello. How do I find out what is deleting /tmp on reboot and stop that? I don't want it deleted on reboot. |
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| 22:41.17 | blackflow | Debian Jessie, btw. |
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| 22:41.47 | nkuttler | blackflow: that's by design. don't store persistent data there? |
| 22:42.10 | flso | Kevin`, out of curiosity, once the password is inputted and the while the system is booting, why is there not an integrity check of /boot? is that possible or would it be too easy to subvert? |
| 22:42.47 | blackflow | nkuttler: surely there's a config option, or are you telling me there's this code that unconditionally, unconfigurably, deletes everything in /tmp on reboot? |
| 22:43.07 | Kevin` | flso: possible, but it would provide no additional security benefit, just another thing to bypass |
| 22:43.20 | nkuttler | !tmpfs |
| 22:43.21 | dpkg | tmpfs is a file system which keeps all files in virtual memory; you can change its default size by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. Temporary filesystems can be mounted with a line such as "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 22:43.38 | nkuttler | blackflow: it's never really "written" anywhere |
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| 22:43.55 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.57 | blackflow | nkuttler: wrong: /dev/md2 on /tmp type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,stripe=256,data=ordered) |
| 22:44.06 | Kevin` | although if it is, it will always be deleted |
| 22:44.15 | nkuttler | ah, right, it's not by default |
| 22:44.17 | Kevin` | there's also an init script that deletes /tmp |
| 22:44.23 | Kevin` | i've seen it, but never had a reason to disable it |
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| 22:44.50 | blackflow | Kevin`: the /etc/default/rcS has TMPTIME=-1 already, so it must be something else (in which case this is a bug, and /etc/default/rcS should be fixed) |
| 22:45.41 | critter | why openbsd has really full disk encryption and debian has to keep /boot plaintext |
| 22:45.59 | blackflow | critter: because den sucks, compared to OpenBSD :) |
| 22:46.07 | blackflow | *all linux ;) |
| 22:46.24 | Kevin` | critter: why does it matter? openbsd still has a "plaintext" binary bootloader |
| 22:46.37 | Kevin` | it doesn't add any security benefit to make /boot encrypted |
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| 22:47.16 | critter | Kevin: with /boot encrypted, you know your kernel isnt modified |
| 22:47.21 | Kevin` | no you don't |
| 22:47.24 | Kevin` | what's checking it? |
| 22:47.34 | flso | Kevin`, so, for an individual, it would be beneficial to run some sort of unique checksum on /boot -- but in terms of broad implementation, it would be useless, since it would be bypassed. |
| 22:47.49 | wsky | Kevin`: it does |
| 22:47.57 | Kevin` | it? |
| 22:48.11 | wsky | 00:46:38 < Kevin`> it doesn't add any security benefit to make /boot encrypted |
| 22:48.11 | Kevin` | flso: I suspect most attacks aren't saved in /boot, since it won't work on windows systems |
| 22:48.20 | wsky | having encrypted /boot IS a security benefit |
| 22:48.23 | critter | Kevin: Its checked by the bootloader, but if you cant decrypt it, you know the bootloader was modified, you just need to reinstall that |
| 22:48.26 | Kevin` | it'll be in hardware or in pre-boot code |
| 22:48.57 | Kevin` | critter: the bootloader, obviously, would lie to you about modified files |
| 22:49.10 | Kevin` | it has your password to decrypt any file it needs |
| 22:49.15 | Kevin` | and it has modified files to replace them |
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| 22:49.53 | openstandards | critter, why not set up a little camera and record your workstation desk? |
| 22:50.16 | flso | Kevin, you could run a checksum of some sort on /boot files in rcS.d, before networking was enabled, that would allow you to determine ASAP that your system is compromised |
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| 22:50.45 | Kevin` | flso: only if it was unique to your system |
| 22:50.52 | Kevin` | and only against an unskilled attacker |
| 22:51.11 | critter | openstandards: Yes, that would be a really nice solution, and keep away physical malicious individuals... It would narrow the possibilities to network or malware |
| 22:51.20 | blackflow | No ideas how to prevent /tmp from being deleted on reboot? The setting in /etc/default/rcS has no effect. |
| 22:51.43 | openstandards | blackflow, /tmp = temp |
| 22:51.59 | blackflow | openstandards: nope, I have it mounted in a raid partition |
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| 22:52.52 | flso | Kevin`_, i'm gonna do it.... what's the best way to run a sha256sum (or something quicker like md5sum) on a directory like /boot? obvously I could compress it into a file and checksum that, but that seems unnecessarily bulky... or I could just checksum specific boot files |
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| 22:53.25 | Kevin`_ | flso: you need to do specific files, otherwise you won't know what is modified |
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| 22:54.25 | Kevin`_ | flso: remember, if anyone notices this happening, it becomes useless. and many keyloggers aren't going to change files in /boot anyway |
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| 22:56.35 | Kevin`_ | it's probably more useful for detecting file corruption without having to use the buggy mess that is btrfs |
| 22:56.53 | flso | Kevin`_, the assumption is that the system itself isn't compromised at this point, other than the boot password from physical access and modification of /boot. obviously there could be bios modification and hardware compromise.... but that's more sophisticated, especially hardware compromise |
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| 22:57.43 | Kevin`_ | even a remote compromise could modify files outside of /boot |
| 22:58.07 | flso | yeah but i'm assuming that there is no remote compromise at this point, because if there is, all is lost anyway |
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| 22:59.06 | Kevin` | when an attacker has unmonitored physical access to your computer, all is lost anyway |
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| 22:59.13 | Kevin` | it sucks, but that's how it is |
| 22:59.13 | belowzero | hi guys, anyone testing systemd-nspawn? Trying to boot a container and for some reason it fails to detect network bridge. Using this to start container. systemd-nspawn --network-bridge=br0 -bD /var/lib/container/test |
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| 22:59.18 | Kevin` | well, assuming you use the computer again |
| 22:59.34 | elephaant | hi. I have some weird repo in my repo list. Where do I remove it? I don't remember how I put it there |
| 22:59.57 | belowzero | elephaant: whats the repo? :) |
| 23:00.18 | Kevin`_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.24 | elephaant | Kevin`_: ty |
| 23:01.05 | lasdam | once upon a time debian used to try to unlock gnome-keyring/seahorse or whatever during boot prompting you for a password if there were one. then something changed. how can I restore this functionality? I don't have a pw for my keys set, yet it's not attempted unlocked at boot |
| 23:01.06 | belowzero | elephaant: sorry misread question :) |
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| 23:02.16 | flso | goes to #libreboot and starts browsing online for a place to buy a beagle bone black revC locally with cash |
| 23:02.44 | Kevin`_ | hehe |
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| 23:07.53 | LimoGrill | ok... regarding apt-secure... when you install a new install of Jessie, it comes with debian-keyring and packages are automatically signature checked... correct? if that is the case, why do I see "debian-keyring" as a suggested package? |
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| 23:13.19 | LimoGrill | ....am I missunderstanding the default setup of apt-get? are packages really being downloaded in the clear and not being sig verified? |
| 23:13.36 | LimoGrill | because if so, why don't I just hand my computer over to the NSA? |
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| 23:13.54 | JoeSchmoe | Hello! |
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| 23:14.01 | JoeSchmoe | Debian noob here. |
| 23:14.13 | LimoGrill | JoeSchmoe, you're in good company |
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| 23:15.03 | Dagger | LimoGrill: downloaded in the clear yes, but they should be getting verified |
| 23:15.09 | JoeSchmoe | When I'm using Konqueror and I have a webserver on localhost, and I try to follow a link to a php file I have made, instead of opening the page as other browsers have done it asks if I want to open the file in a text editor |
| 23:15.32 | LimoGrill | Dagger, even when I don't have the debian-keyring package? |
| 23:15.33 | JoeSchmoe | But I get completely different behavior with php files on other webservers |
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| 23:15.58 | JoeSchmoe | Is this a problem with apache maybe? |
| 23:15.59 | Brigo | LimoGrill, they are signed, and the signature is checked. The packages are free software so anyone can see what are inside them. |
| 23:16.11 | blackflow | For anyone thinking that deleting /tmp is by design and can't be reconfigured, tmpfiles.d(5) and look at /usr/lib/tmpfiles/tmp.conf. It's configurable alright, not fixed, "by design" or any of that nonsense. Thanks for playing. |
| 23:16.32 | blackflow | /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf |
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| 23:17.29 | Dagger | LimoGrill: hm. I'd expect a warning if it can't verify the signature |
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| 23:18.26 | Brigo | LimoGrill, by default debian does not install packages if it cannot verify their signature. |
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| 23:18.37 | LimoGrill | Brigo, Dagger, so, there is some other keyring, other than the package debian-keyring, that is installed by default and used to verify signatures? |
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| 23:18.44 | Brigo | you can force the installation. |
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| 23:19.12 | Dagger | debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:19.58 | LimoGrill | Dagger, ok, I have that package. much appreciated. that deals with my concern. |
| 23:20.32 | Dagger | sure would be nice if apt-get bothered to mention that the signature was valid though... |
| 23:20.33 | JoeSchmoe | Do I misunderstand what Konqueror actually is? It doesn't seem to be a normal web browser |
| 23:20.41 | Brigo | LimoGrill, in its description debian-keyring tells it is for developers. |
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| 23:20.48 | Dagger | (assuming that it is in fact checking the signature) |
| 23:21.09 | Brigo | Dagger, it is, just uninstall that package and you will see :D |
| 23:21.27 | at0m | usually the problem is not with too many keys. missing keys otoh. |
| 23:21.59 | Dagger | Brigo: I want output in normal operation though, not just when it's broken |
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| 23:23.18 | lasdam | how can I make debian unlock the "Login" keyring? Ironically when I hover my mouse over it it says "A keyring that is automatically unlocked on login." but it isn't :S |
| 23:23.26 | LimoGrill | Dagger, admittedly, it would serve little purpose other than keeping people like me from asking stupid questions in #debian |
| 23:24.44 | Dagger | LimoGrill: it's not a stupid question if there's no outward indication that it's doing anything though |
| 23:25.09 | Dagger | a "signature ok" line would be ignored in 99% of runs, but that doesn't mean it's not important |
| 23:25.39 | elephaant | how do I list installed packages? |
| 23:25.47 | elephaant | list packages | grep .. is that how you do it? |
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| 23:26.36 | petn-randall | JoeSchmoe: If your webserver serves the file instead of running it, you configured apache wrong. |
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| 23:27.53 | Brigo | elephaant, dpkg -i will list the packages with some more information |
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| 23:38.46 | Moult | gday folks, does debian have a file or directory that keeps record of all installed packages? (somewhat akin to gentoo's /var/lib/portage/world set) |
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| 23:42.24 | LimoGrill | Moult, dpkg -l ? |
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| 23:43.09 | Moult | LimoGrill: thanks, seems to fit the bill :) |
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