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| 00:02.33 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to use whiptail to show a form with multiple entry fields. It doesn't seem to be able to do that. However, I've seen it on the Debian text mode installer. Does anyone know how to do that? |
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| 00:03.33 | cilkay | Maybe it doesn't use whiptail. |
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| 00:08.29 | LimoGrill | issue..... installing dnscrypt-1.6.0, and I can't get past "./config". "if you meant to cross compile, use '--host'" "configure: error: ./configure failed for src/libevent-modified |
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| 00:09.50 | LimoGrill | it also detects debian jessie as "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu" |
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| 00:11.20 | teraflops | LimoGrill: can't you just backport it? |
| 00:12.07 | LimoGrill | teraflops, i'm not familiar with the back-porting process... |
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| 00:12.42 | teraflops | LimoGrill: Im a mess with the bots but there are usefull factoids |
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| 00:14.38 | mtn_ | !ssb |
| 00:14.38 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 00:17.52 | LimoGrill | ....so... how about the line it suggested, ./configure --host? |
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| 00:18.51 | elephaant | how do I stop sshd from autostarting (not systemd)? |
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| 00:22.31 | belowzero | elephaant: systemctl |
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| 00:23.40 | elephaant | belowzero: I don't have systemd |
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| 00:25.04 | equa | elephaant: are you on wheezy? |
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| 00:25.51 | elephaant | yes, that's what I said, lol |
| 00:25.55 | x86iac | elephaant: are you on weed? use rcconf or chkconfig |
| 00:25.56 | elephaant | wheezy, no systemd. |
| 00:26.05 | elephaant | x86iac: legacy stuff |
| 00:26.07 | equa | elephaant: go in to /etc/rc2.d |
| 00:26.31 | equa | elephaant: read the README. basicly change service to K beginning instead of s. then update.rcd |
| 00:26.44 | x86iac | you said sshd? |
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| 00:27.17 | elephaant | x86iac: yes |
| 00:27.58 | x86iac | rcconf and/or chkconfig will do it - or play with the K/S links as mentioned |
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| 00:28.54 | elephaant | wow, what a mess |
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| 00:29.25 | elephaant | there's one in each rc.* |
| 00:29.34 | elephaant | I'll just let it start, lol |
| 00:29.42 | equa | elephaant: they are all the same level. wheezy starts on 2 |
| 00:29.48 | x86iac | okay what is your password for the sshd? |
| 00:30.11 | x86iac | tries elephaant123 |
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| 00:30.23 | equa | you forgot 12345 |
| 00:30.33 | elephaant | it's pencil555 |
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| 00:30.43 | elephaant | 555 is the name of my cat |
| 00:30.56 | LimoGrill | elephaant, my cat's name is kitty |
| 00:31.15 | equa | elephaant: you only need to do it for rc2.d |
| 00:31.29 | elephaant | ty equa |
| 00:31.33 | x86iac | he might be starting in X |
| 00:31.45 | elephaant | im not |
| 00:31.56 | elephaant | I assume those are run levels? so what's rc3 and rc4? |
| 00:31.59 | equa | wheezy starts on rc2.d. it woudn't matter |
| 00:32.09 | x86iac | do you have an /etc/inittab? |
| 00:32.22 | equa | elephaant: they are all the same now. wheezy no longer use it. it just starts with rc2.d |
| 00:32.40 | elephaant | oh, nice |
| 00:32.55 | elephaant | such mess. |
| 00:32.56 | x86iac | 555? you go through quite a few cats huh? are you a good cook ? |
| 00:33.03 | equa | elephaant: it's there for you to start a different custom startup |
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| 00:33.17 | elephaant | x86iac: not really, I just throw them into the oven directly or eat them raw. |
| 00:33.37 | x86iac | emails elephaant a jar of paprika |
| 00:33.58 | elephaant | prints it out |
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| 00:34.22 | x86iac | don't go crazy with the paprika - just bit |
| 00:34.27 | x86iac | just a little bit |
| 00:34.38 | LimoGrill | cumin is actually better on cat meat |
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| 00:35.22 | x86iac | i guess having Grill in your nick means you are probably more culinary then i - so i defer to you ;) |
| 00:35.30 | LimoGrill | had some tasty cat kabob in shanghai once, spiced with cumin |
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| 00:36.16 | x86iac | LimoGrill: i read on onion that they only make you think it is cat in china - it is really cow - false advertising is common there |
| 00:36.40 | x86iac | elephaant: you get your problem fixed? |
| 00:37.52 | LimoGrill | x86iac, it's possible that I got deceived, I did not see the source cat. however, it was not cow. much more lean meat. i have certainly eaten dog though, that has a very unique and flavorful taste. |
| 00:37.53 | x86iac | elephaant: i'd aptget install rcconf and then you can see what is is starting you might not want started ... and ps -efw shows lots |
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| 00:38.34 | elephaant | x86iac: thanks. idk, but it doesn't matter that much |
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| 00:38.53 | elephaant | oh, nice |
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| 00:39.07 | elephaant | rcconf, still relevant for systemd systems? |
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| 00:39.31 | x86iac | elephaant: don't know - you want to test it? |
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| 00:39.53 | elephaant | x86iac: I don't have a debian installation with systemd |
| 00:40.04 | x86iac | i was surprised when i found that chkconfig worked (chkconfig is mostly from redhat/mandriva linux) |
| 00:40.22 | LimoGrill | elephaant, how do you ensure that the NSA has lawful access to your box without systemd? |
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| 00:40.51 | x86iac | LimoGrill: have no fear he has bind installed ;) |
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| 00:41.47 | x86iac | is trying hard not to mention his gerbil parmeseana recipe with basil |
| 00:41.52 | openstandards | and more than likely running intel hardware ;) |
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| 00:44.00 | x86iac | any rfid experts know if walmart is selling shoes with rfid chips? i know they did gilette razors and pants |
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| 00:45.22 | elephaant | LimoGrill: by eating raw chicken |
| 00:45.38 | LimoGrill | x86iac, you want to steal shoes and walmart is your best choice? have some class. |
| 00:46.05 | LimoGrill | at least find somewhere that sells quality leather shoes |
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| 00:46.58 | themill | Perhaps you were looking for ##chat |
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| 00:49.07 | dooooooood | yay, debian is the second in disrowatch |
| 00:49.52 | LimoGrill | dooooooood, behind ubuntu? |
| 00:50.04 | dooooooood | LimoGrill: behind mind, and above ubuntu |
| 00:50.05 | dooooooood | :) |
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| 00:50.22 | dooooooood | 10 hits above |
| 00:50.35 | maazu | :D |
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| 00:51.29 | maazu | when i installed Debian Jessie i felt like those university days |
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| 00:52.43 | LimoGrill | alright.... I re-installed the dependencies, resolving some issue that wasn't related, but I still can't ./configure dnscrypt...... "cannot run C compiled programs" .... what is going on? |
| 00:52.44 | dooooooood | what does it have to do with the university |
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| 00:53.12 | maazu | dooooooood: i was young and excited about debbie (debian potato) |
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| 00:53.28 | dooooooood | maazu: aaah, just joned wheezy in my first time :) |
| 00:53.33 | dooooooood | *joined * |
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| 00:54.18 | x86iac | LimoGrill: what is the error in config.log ? you probably need g++ apt-get install g++ |
| 00:54.21 | maazu | dooooooood: remember to practice safety |
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| 00:55.43 | equa | LimoGrill: you need gcc |
| 00:55.45 | roboman2444 | is there a way i can block certian programs or protocals from using a certian network interface? |
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| 00:56.07 | x86iac | equa: install g++ will install gcc if not there |
| 00:56.23 | maazu | roboman2444: see /etc/services |
| 00:56.25 | LimoGrill | equa, I have gcc. x86iac, I have g++... going through the config.log with | grep error, but there is a lot |
| 00:56.41 | equa | LimoGrill: it's best to use paste.debian.net |
| 00:56.57 | x86iac | just the first one |
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| 00:57.20 | roboman2444 | maazu, thanks, but can i do it on a per executable basis and not a per port? |
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| 00:57.26 | dooooooood | maazu: what you mean by practice safety |
| 00:57.41 | dooooooood | LimoGrill: to make things easier, get the pastebinit package |
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| 00:57.54 | maazu | dooooooood: forget it! |
| 00:58.03 | dooooooood | meh, go on |
| 00:58.04 | dooooooood | :v |
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| 00:59.11 | x86iac | do8d he needs cut n paste practice |
| 00:59.19 | LimoGrill | http://paste.debian.net/plainh/7f295e51 |
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| 00:59.36 | LimoGrill | the system isn't network connected yet so it took a couple mins |
| 01:00.01 | maazu | LimoGrill: minix!? |
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| 01:00.17 | x86iac | lets equa go to that malware infested site |
| 01:00.52 | LimoGrill | maazu, ? |
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| 01:01.55 | LimoGrill | maazu, so, is the cause that it is detecting my OS improperly? |
| 01:02.01 | maazu | LimoGrill: one the config lines read minix/ directory |
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| 01:02.26 | maazu | LimoGrill: compiling an OS? |
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| 01:03.12 | LimoGrill | i'm trying to compile the latest dnscrypt from the source package.... nothing strange here, just extracted it and ./config |
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| 01:03.32 | x86iac | LimoGrill: type gcc -V in a term |
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| 01:04.23 | LimoGrill | x86iac, version 4.9.2 (Debian 4.9.2-10) |
| 01:04.48 | x86iac | gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' |
| 01:05.02 | x86iac | go up more in the config.log and pastebin it |
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| 01:05.41 | LimoGrill | yeah gcc -V gives nothing..... gcc -v gives version |
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| 01:06.11 | LimoGrill | will pastebin |
| 01:07.29 | x86iac | conftest.c:43:23: fatal error: ldns/ldns.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:07.40 | x86iac | i think your source is badly broken |
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| 01:08.09 | LimoGrill | x86iac, i am getting that feeling |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | or you have to install teh header files |
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| 01:09.09 | maazu | abrotman: he's doing it from the tar-ball |
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| 01:09.43 | LimoGrill | maazu, correct. http://download.dnscrypt.org/dnscrypt-proxy/ dnscrypt-proxy-1.6.0.tar.gz |
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| 01:10.05 | maazu | LimoGrill: and your ldns.h is missing... :( |
| 01:10.19 | x86iac | use the CPPFLAGS='-I/usr/xxxx to point to dir which has ldns dir |
| 01:10.36 | x86iac | mine is in /usr/local/include |
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| 01:12.11 | x86iac | i have ldns-1.6.17.tar.gz |
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| 01:12.38 | x86iac | and ldns/ldns.h is in the source |
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| 01:13.13 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 01:13.17 | elephaant | I don't have a /etc/network/interfaces. Is that bad? I don't have a loopback ip |
| 01:13.31 | LimoGrill | paste.debian limits to 150kb, my log is 170..... looking for ldns now |
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| 01:13.53 | abrotman | judd: file ldns/ldns.h |
| 01:13.57 | judd | Search for ldns/ldns.h in jessie/amd64: libldns-dev: usr/include/ldns/ldns.h |
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| 01:14.17 | ldc | hi |
| 01:14.25 | ldc | how can I suppress the Package configuration requests from apt? |
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| 01:14.34 | ldc | I'm preparing some scripts for unattended install and -y just doesn't work with these |
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| 01:15.16 | x86iac | you can pipe y in |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | not into debconf |
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| 01:16.05 | x86iac | echo y\n | script ? |
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| 01:16.58 | ldc | doesn't work :( |
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| 01:18.31 | antiatom | I just formatted a hard drive using mkfx.ext4 but when I mount it the mount fs is ext2 |
| 01:18.41 | LimoGrill | yeah I do not have ldns.h |
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| 01:20.43 | ldc | done it :) |
| 01:20.44 | ldc | echo iptables-persistent iptables-persistent/autosave_v4 boolean true | debconf-set-selections |
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| 01:21.02 | x86iac | :) |
| 01:21.08 | dvs | :( |
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| 01:21.46 | x86iac | LimoGrill: what ldns version? |
| 01:21.59 | x86iac | dvs you should be happy for ldc |
| 01:22.32 | LimoGrill | kkkk, i fixed it. had to run sudo ldconfig |
| 01:22.35 | ldc | hehe |
| 01:22.37 | LimoGrill | that was all |
| 01:22.38 | x86iac | antiatom: you wanted ext3 or ext4? |
| 01:23.23 | x86iac | ldconfig? what library did you install before this that needed caching? |
| 01:23.47 | x86iac | ldconfig has nothing to do with header/dev files |
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| 01:25.38 | antiatom | x86iac: I wanted ext4 |
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| 01:27.59 | x86iac | did you use make4fs command? |
| 01:28.36 | TheSov | I need help, my linux box is crazy or i am. when i NSlookup or dig "b827eba5c5fb.cbroker.local" it comes back with the ip. when i ping it, it shows ping: unknown host |
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| 01:30.07 | x86iac | do you have dns servers in resolv.conf |
| 01:31.13 | x86iac | what is in the /etc/hosts too? .local? |
| 01:31.49 | TheSov | yes dns server in resolv.conf, those are the dns servers that show the ip from dig and nslookup |
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| 01:32.19 | x86iac | .local? |
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| 01:32.54 | antiatom | x86iac: Oops... I ran mkfx.ext4 with -r 0 instead of -m 0 for no reserved blocks... gave me fileystem revision 0 whatever that is |
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| 01:35.06 | x86iac | antiatom: i'm guess you don't need -j with mke4fs |
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| 01:36.25 | antiatom | x86iac: Is it is possible to have ext4 filesystem without a journal? |
| 01:37.28 | antiatom | Sounds like ext2 to me :O |
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| 01:37.48 | x86iac | antiatom: good question - make your mke4fs -m 0 /dev/xxxxx and then shut the computer off without halt and see if it recovers the journal ;) |
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| 01:38.11 | x86iac | ext4 has larger size then ext2/ext3 |
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| 01:38.46 | antiatom | Haha... well I do not have mke4fs command installed even somehow, I just use mkfs.ext4 normally |
| 01:38.46 | antiatom | Larger journal size you mean? |
| 01:39.09 | x86iac | for larger disks sizes TB and up |
| 01:39.25 | antiatom | Well my drives here are 2TB |
| 01:39.43 | x86iac | ext3 can do my 1TB but for those 100000TB drives you have to have ext4 ;) |
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| 01:40.22 | x86iac | checks if walmart is selling 100000TB drives yet |
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| 01:41.42 | x86iac | http://cybergav.in/2011/11/15/how-to-disableenable-journaling-on-an-ext4-filesystem/ |
| 01:41.57 | TheSov | turned out it was the .local |
| 01:42.02 | TheSov | stupid this didnt allow it |
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| 01:50.21 | LimoGrill | x86iac, i saw 8TB flash drives in china a few years ago |
| 01:50.45 | LimoGrill | for like $30 each |
| 01:50.58 | LimoGrill | best-bargain-ever |
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| 01:54.16 | nickgaw | Hi, How do I use the lvm command on the Debian 8 installation disc to mount my encrypted volume so I can copy of files from it as it is not booting properly after entering the password so I just need to copy off stuff in /root before reinstalling it? |
| 01:55.17 | x86iac | my best-bargain-ever was getting a 'dogs playing poker' velvet painting for #1.25 |
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| 01:56.03 | abrotman | LimoGrill: perhapes you wwant ##chat, this is a support channel |
| 01:56.18 | x86iac | nickgaw: do you have another disk of the same size |
| 01:56.35 | x86iac | i'd use dd to make a dup of it before messing with it |
| 01:56.43 | nickgaw | yes an external my passport. |
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| 01:59.52 | x86iac | LimoGrill: yea i haven't commited to ext4 yet - my biggest connected drive is 1tb and i use a lot of 500GB usb drives |
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| 02:02.38 | nickgaw | where when the system boots does it mount the encrypted system and prompt for the password? |
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| 02:04.01 | x86iac | check your fstab for mount point? and it prompts for 'password' in memory |
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| 02:04.38 | RoyK | x86iac: the fstab is usually in the encrypted filesystem :P |
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| 02:04.53 | nickgaw | yes but is it in the initrd file that is used by the kernel as what command do I need to type in order to mount the partition in the debian-installer shell? |
| 02:05.03 | x86iac | RoyK: that don't sound good for nickgaw :( |
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| 02:05.42 | RoyK | x86iac: an encrypted filesystem is encrypted - for good reason |
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| 02:06.03 | RoyK | x86iac: if you lose the password - bad thing |
| 02:06.15 | RoyK | x86iac: but it's there to keep other eyes off you |
| 02:06.38 | nickgaw | I just need to get the files out of the encrypted filesystem and do know the password just need to know what to type into the ash shell using lvm to mount this encrypted partition? |
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| 02:07.06 | RoyK | nickgaw: just type the password on bootup |
| 02:07.10 | x86iac | nickgaw: you can untar the initrd file and see the scripts there |
| 02:07.52 | nickgaw | so use tar xf initrd.img? |
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| 02:08.16 | x86iac | usually just gunzip |
| 02:08.39 | RoyK | nickgaw: nah - zcat initrd.img | cpio -d |
| 02:08.53 | x86iac | do file initrd.img to see what it is |
| 02:08.54 | RoyK | it's a cpio archive |
| 02:09.04 | RoyK | compressed |
| 02:10.11 | x86iac | /linux/csc/hp/sda/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Fri Apr 3 14:52:23 2015 |
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| 02:10.38 | RoyK | zcat blabla > /tmp/something |
| 02:10.51 | x86iac | ^^ i think i used mkinitrd ? |
| 02:11.07 | RoyK | update-initramfs -u |
| 02:11.12 | RoyK | would be the right thing |
| 02:11.31 | x86iac | gunzip s.gz -> s s is cpio file |
| 02:11.31 | x86iac | cd /sd |
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| 02:11.33 | x86iac | cpio -i < s |
| 02:11.43 | RoyK | -id |
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| 02:11.54 | RoyK | -d is needed to get the full tree |
| 02:12.18 | x86iac | hopes nickgaw is reading this |
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| 02:12.44 | nickgaw | yes I am rebooting into the debian-installer to try these out. |
| 02:12.58 | RoyK | what are you trying to achive? |
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| 02:14.10 | nickgaw | mount an encrypted volume the debian-installer created as I am totally blind and somehow sound and networking are not working on my linux laptop so I wish to mount the encrypted system to copy out the files I need or to look at the alsa settings to see what is broken. |
| 02:14.39 | RoyK | I hope you don't have too much valuable data on that |
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| 02:15.06 | nickgaw | I used the debian-installer option for software speech but a few hours ago the system stopt speaking so I want to find out what is going on the system mounts and boots with the correct password but with no speech I am not able to find out what is broken. |
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| 02:16.27 | x86iac | encrypted speech? |
| 02:17.18 | x86iac | i'm always afraid 'software speech' would break if i had a cold |
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| 02:18.33 | nickgaw | no the speech is working in english but the sound settings somehow got messed up on the encrypted system so I was trying to use the debian-installer to mount the encrypted partition and I enter in the password and fix the issue once I fing out what it is. |
| 02:18.50 | RoyK | encrypted speech on an encrypted drive with no password - seems rather safe to me |
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| 02:20.31 | RoyK | nickgaw: you won't get in there without the right password ;) |
| 02:20.41 | x86iac | *cough cough cough hack* is my password |
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| 02:21.26 | nickgaw | I know the correct password just need to know what to do with the correct password to mount the partition so I can look at logs and find out what is going on. |
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| 02:21.57 | x86iac | wonders if nickgaw realizes that his back story is getting more unbelievable all the time |
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| 02:22.41 | x86iac | not that there is anything wrong with that ;) |
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| 02:22.55 | nickgaw | the system boots fine and I am able to enter in the correct password but when I do that no software speech or any screen reader starts so that is really what I am trying to fix. |
| 02:23.23 | sivik | what window session are you using? |
| 02:24.10 | nickgaw | I had gdm3 with the debian desktop selected during installation and used orca with text to speech which is currently not working. |
| 02:25.06 | homecable | what windows manger do u all use ? |
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| 02:25.36 | x86iac | homecable: are you a confederate? |
| 02:25.43 | nickgaw | I also have speakup for normal console access but as my sound card settings in alsa are not setup correct not sure why I am not able to somehow restore everything to it's loudest setting and unmuted is there an alsamixer or amixer command to do this? |
| 02:25.57 | sivik | nickgaw: try a different one and see if it does the same thing |
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| 02:26.21 | homecable | no |
| 02:26.27 | x86iac | fluxbox then |
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| 02:27.07 | x86iac | with xtdesktop for desktop icons - it is a fun g++ code to play with |
| 02:27.10 | UrkinGurk | Hello |
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| 02:27.16 | UrkinGurk | I really need some help |
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| 02:27.52 | x86iac | UrkinGurk: all the world's pastebins await you |
| 02:28.00 | x86iac | error? |
| 02:28.26 | UrkinGurk | I installed Debian 8 (i386) |
| 02:28.29 | UrkinGurk | but |
| 02:28.39 | UrkinGurk | whenever i try to boot it up for the first time |
| 02:28.50 | UrkinGurk | after the grub menu |
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| 02:29.05 | nickgaw | would posting to the debian accessibility list be my best thing to do as no one here understands I just want to mount an encrypted volume and I do have the password to look at logs and get the sound support working again using the debian-installer with software speech? |
| 02:29.07 | UrkinGurk | it just reboots my computer for some reason? |
| 02:29.34 | x86iac | is it fscking the root partition? |
| 02:29.49 | UrkinGurk | ? |
| 02:30.07 | UrkinGurk | I'm kinda new to linux but i like GNOME |
| 02:30.30 | x86iac | what do you see on the screen right before it reboots? do you have a movie of it? -> youtube??? :) |
| 02:31.02 | UrkinGurk | All it does is flash something insanely fast and then it gives me a blinking "_" |
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| 02:31.21 | UrkinGurk | let me see if i can figure it out |
| 02:31.48 | UrkinGurk | nope can't read it |
| 02:32.06 | UrkinGurk | I meant it flashes "_" first |
| 02:32.19 | UrkinGurk | and then it flashes something and bam my computer shuts off |
| 02:32.32 | UrkinGurk | it flashes Loading please wait@ |
| 02:32.35 | UrkinGurk | Got it |
| 02:32.45 | UrkinGurk | Loading please wait is what it says |
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| 02:33.30 | UrkinGurk | ya still there? |
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| 02:33.37 | x86iac | if this is a brand new install ... redo it and make sure you have no errors and it fully completes? do as minimal an install as possible - you can add everything else later |
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| 02:34.26 | UrkinGurk | like without internet? |
| 02:35.13 | x86iac | is your connection ethernet or wireless? |
| 02:35.45 | UrkinGurk | Right now ethernet |
| 02:35.54 | x86iac | how did you install ? from cd/dvd ? |
| 02:35.54 | UrkinGurk | i was planning to turn on the wireless card later |
| 02:35.59 | UrkinGurk | yes from a cd |
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| 02:36.07 | UrkinGurk | standard 4.7gb |
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| 02:36.09 | x86iac | then you have all the debs |
| 02:36.13 | UrkinGurk | ? |
| 02:36.21 | x86iac | and don't need internet to get the packages |
| 02:36.37 | UrkinGurk | oh |
| 02:36.47 | UrkinGurk | So what is your suggestion. |
| 02:36.48 | x86iac | i'd do just an install to just get it to boot |
| 02:37.26 | x86iac | then point your sources-list to the cd and then get the internet up the way you want (ethernet to modem .. right?) |
| 02:37.31 | UrkinGurk | Ill run the installation ill tell you if i get any errors |
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| 02:38.53 | x86iac | sounds like an incomplete installation |
| 02:40.03 | UrkinGurk | ok I'm about to boot the install cd |
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| 02:40.27 | fifi-v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.02 | x86iac | fifi-v: cut? but this sounds like a #bash question ... ask for greycat |
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| 02:41.57 | x86iac | unless he is at his favorite cat house ^h^h all night buffet |
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| 02:42.17 | phy1729 | s/\^h/^w/g |
| 02:42.25 | UrkinGurk | ok should i do graphical install or just install? |
| 02:42.27 | UrkinGurk | lol |
| 02:42.33 | fifi-v | x86iac: thank you |
| 02:42.55 | x86iac | UrkinGurk: do graphical and if it fails then just install |
| 02:42.55 | UrkinGurk | ill just do graphical insta |
| 02:43.03 | UrkinGurk | k |
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| 02:43.40 | UrkinGurk | ok first problem |
| 02:43.44 | UrkinGurk | but no biggie |
| 02:43.54 | UrkinGurk | my trackpad won't let me move the mous |
| 02:44.03 | UrkinGurk | but i can still click |
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| 02:44.13 | UrkinGurk | its fine, i can still do the install |
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| 02:45.27 | UrkinGurk | ok first hiccup |
| 02:46.07 | UrkinGurk | Detect network hardware: The missing firmware files are: rt2860.bin rt._nic/rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 02:46.30 | UrkinGurk | should i be worried? |
| 02:46.32 | x86iac | you can get them later |
| 02:46.39 | UrkinGurk | k |
| 02:46.46 | x86iac | those are for wireless |
| 02:47.06 | x86iac | write that down though |
| 02:47.31 | x86iac | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink |
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| 02:47.54 | UrkinGurk | I'm using jessie not wheezy |
| 02:48.09 | x86iac | that should have been for jessie |
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| 02:48.50 | UrkinGurk | anyways, do i need a domain name? |
| 02:48.50 | x86iac | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kernel/firmware-ralink |
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| 02:49.10 | x86iac | i like urkinggurk.com |
| 02:49.25 | UrkinGurk | -.- |
| 02:49.28 | UrkinGurk | lol |
| 02:49.36 | UrkinGurk | can i just leave it blank? |
| 02:49.38 | x86iac | yes |
| 02:49.42 | UrkinGurk | kk |
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| 02:50.50 | UrkinGurk | The rest of the installation process is normal |
| 02:50.56 | x86iac | /msg godaddy.com/api/get/urkinggurk.com?cyber-squat-for-big-bucks |
| 02:51.00 | UrkinGurk | i haven't changed anything from what i did last time |
| 02:51.01 | x86iac | oppps |
| 02:51.08 | squinty | UrkinGurk, you may want to ensure you install the wireless firmware after doing the system install, as on my recent install the system kept generating the "missing firmware" error messages in the back to such an extent that my system slowed down and was over heated causing shutdowns. As soon as the firmware was installed here, system stability returned and no problems since. There have also been other participants reporting |
| 02:51.08 | squinty | similar experiences in this channel with 8.1 |
| 02:51.44 | x86iac | did it install packages? do partitions? etc |
| 02:51.56 | UrkinGurk | yeh |
| 02:51.57 | UrkinGurk | yep |
| 02:52.01 | UrkinGurk | everything went normal |
| 02:52.12 | UrkinGurk | and i simply couldn't boot it up |
| 02:52.18 | x86iac | let her rip and write down what squinty told ya |
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| 02:52.49 | x86iac | did it ask to use entire disk? |
| 02:53.02 | UrkinGurk | yeah i formatted the entire disk |
| 02:53.09 | UrkinGurk | i hated windows 8.1 lol |
| 02:53.11 | x86iac | that was pretty fast |
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| 02:53.19 | UrkinGurk | not yet |
| 02:53.23 | UrkinGurk | I am midway |
| 02:53.29 | UrkinGurk | the OS is still instaled |
| 02:53.34 | UrkinGurk | i haven't formatted again |
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| 02:54.48 | UrkinGurk | squinty |
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| 02:55.07 | kandinski | if anyone is in Melbourne, Australia, can do some freelance work building and packaging some custom software, please privmsg. Thanks. |
| 02:55.27 | UrkinGurk | how do i do your process? |
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| 02:56.16 | x86iac | kandinski: you only pay in Aussi denaro? |
| 02:56.28 | UrkinGurk | lol ill just install fedora |
| 02:57.01 | kandinski | I'd put you in touch with the people, it's a job I can't take. But AUD can be exchanged for any other currency. |
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| 02:57.20 | UrkinGurk | Thanks for the help guys |
| 02:57.34 | x86iac | isn't it 2M aussi dollars to the bitcoin? |
| 02:57.49 | x86iac | kandinski: no i'm not in australia |
| 02:58.42 | x86iac | kandinski: never turn down a job - there is always google to teach you what to do |
| 02:59.18 | x86iac | good night i have to go to walmart to try on shoes ;) |
| 02:59.26 | kandinski | x86iac: I lack the time, and I will be travelling. This requires presence to work with some embedded hardware. |
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| 03:12.01 | UrkelGurkel2 | Well I'm back |
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| 03:12.41 | UrkelGurkel2 | I have decided instead of i386 arch ill just use amd64 |
| 03:13.02 | UrkelGurkel2 | and insteead of netinst ill use the 3.9 GB DvD install |
| 03:13.02 | beepie | oh no |
| 03:13.10 | UrkelGurkel2 | whats wrong? |
| 03:13.19 | UrkelGurkel2 | i haven't plopped it in yet |
| 03:13.19 | beepie | nothing |
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| 03:13.26 | UrkelGurkel2 | oh |
| 03:13.30 | beepie | you just sound like bs |
| 03:13.36 | UrkelGurkel2 | ? |
| 03:13.44 | beepie | you need a 64-bit processor for amd64 |
| 03:13.49 | UrkelGurkel2 | i do |
| 03:13.51 | beepie | (hopefully u know this) |
| 03:13.57 | UrkelGurkel2 | lol |
| 03:14.00 | UrkelGurkel2 | OH STHI |
| 03:14.03 | beepie | so what's hte problem if you haven't tried it? |
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| 03:14.14 | UrkelGurkel2 | i386 |
| 03:14.19 | UrkelGurkel2 | was that for 32 bit? |
| 03:14.55 | beepie | y |
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| 03:15.04 | dvs | UrkelGurkel2: If your processor can handle 64-bits, then don't bother with the i386 version |
| 03:15.15 | UrkelGurkel2 | *facepalm |
| 03:15.21 | UrkelGurkel2 | I couldn't get it to boot |
| 03:15.29 | UrkelGurkel2 | like i installed everything just fine |
| 03:15.29 | beepie | i think he said he'll try the amd64 |
| 03:15.53 | UrkelGurkel2 | but after i passed the grub boot loader iit blinked "_" |
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| 03:15.59 | beepie | but i wasn't sure if he knew what amd64 is |
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| 03:16.10 | UrkelGurkel2 | and then immediataely after it said loading please wait my comp rebooted |
| 03:16.18 | beepie | he's hopping and bopping |
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| 03:17.11 | UrkelGurkel2 | and64 lol i know what that is |
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| 03:17.22 | UrkelGurkel2 | I'm just an idiot sometimes. |
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| 03:29.18 | eyebrowns | i have a 2 web servers (80 port) behind router. both have domain. how to make router to route depending on requested domain? |
| 03:30.20 | eyebrowns | i know only routing technique depending on requested port |
| 03:30.27 | beepie | eyebrowns, that's an apache question |
| 03:30.42 | eyebrowns | beepie, i use lighttpd |
| 03:30.44 | beepie | eyebrowns, canonical name settings |
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| 03:30.53 | beepie | eyebrowns, similar settings |
| 03:31.03 | beepie | eyebrowns, you need to setup dns properly for this to take effect |
| 03:31.33 | eyebrowns | beepie, but why do i need to configure webserver if it even not accessible without proper routing settings? |
| 03:31.51 | beepie | eyebrowns, because technically you need to have them all in place anyways. |
| 03:32.05 | beepie | eyebrowns, setting up the routing can be done now or later makes no difference |
| 03:32.11 | eyebrowns | beepie, both webservers have different IP |
| 03:32.19 | beepie | eyebrowns, is this for a home lan? |
| 03:32.36 | eyebrowns | beepie, yes. its all behind one router device |
| 03:32.54 | beepie | eyebrowns, so what's yuor point? I answered what you need to know |
| 03:33.14 | eyebrowns | beepie, to configure DNS on router? |
| 03:33.15 | beepie | eyebrowns, the only thing left then is to setup the port forwarding and snat routing poperly |
| 03:33.22 | beepie | eyebrowns, setting up dns is a whole science |
| 03:33.38 | beepie | eyebrowns, and.. you might not even be able to service port 53 anyways because your isp might block it |
| 03:34.22 | eyebrowns | i dont need it technically as i can see. only my router must know subdomain routing settings |
| 03:34.46 | beepie | eyebrowns, when you say "domain" you're referring to "dns", use the vocabulary properly if you want to make sense. |
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| 03:35.37 | eyebrowns | beepie, i remake question: how 2 machines behind router can proper serve 80 port outside? |
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| 03:35.54 | beepie | eyebrowns, already answered you |
| 03:36.01 | beepie | eyebrowns, that's port forwarding |
| 03:36.03 | eyebrowns | ok, processing |
| 03:36.09 | beepie | eyebrowns, and you use "snat" routing |
| 03:36.13 | beepie | eyebrowns, for outgoing traffic |
| 03:36.24 | beepie | eyebrowns, portforwarding-> aka DNAT routing |
| 03:36.35 | beepie | eyebrowns, two NAT rules, prerouting and postrouting |
| 03:36.47 | beepie | eyebrowns, iptables -t NAT <> |
| 03:37.01 | beepie | eyebrowns, -j dnat , -j snat if i'm correct |
| 03:37.14 | beepie | eyebrowns, .. |
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| 03:37.19 | beepie | eyebrowns, your isp may block port 80 as well. |
| 03:37.34 | beepie | eyebrowns, just the common ports it "may".. it's not illegal to service your own server,.. |
| 03:37.46 | beepie | eyebrowns, it's to prevent spam/scam attacks |
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| 03:37.55 | beepie | eyebrowns, (especially port 25) |
| 03:37.58 | eyebrowns | beepie, in Russia its probably okey |
| 03:38.24 | eyebrowns | beepie, its another qeustion btw |
| 03:38.37 | beepie | eyebrowns, or whatever router "box" you use, it'll be under "port forwarding" settings. |
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| 03:38.54 | beepie | eyebrowns, i'm just repeating the same thing, but other vocabulary to it -- so now you know what terms to google |
| 03:39.55 | beepie | eyebrowns, you can service different website domain name urls from the same physical machine, this is what "canonical" settings are available for webservers |
| 03:39.55 | eyebrowns | beepie, thanks for helping. here some more details: i can forward requests from outside to only one webserver with port forwarding by 80 port in rules. but i have 2 webservers |
| 03:40.34 | eyebrowns | can - means know how |
| 03:40.48 | beepie | eyebrowns, I have no clue, and I told you it's implementation specific, for both webserver and the box doing the nat routing |
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| 03:47.53 | eyebrowns | thanks again. sorry cant pay you tons of oil for help. im poor. but im happy i found phrase for google request "2 webservers behind router" |
| 03:48.25 | beepie | eyebrowns, you can service it easily, but you'll need to have dns and canonical-name setting with 1 webserver |
| 03:48.38 | beepie | eyebrowns, since you do not have dns setup, you need to port forward separate port numbers. |
| 03:48.45 | beepie | eyebrowns, i think it's easy to see this. |
| 03:49.14 | swift110-phone | Hey guys |
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| 03:49.21 | eyebrowns | hey phone guy! |
| 03:49.26 | beepie | eyebrowns, unless you setup proxying VPNing, all if you want to set it all for private use. |
| 03:49.54 | beepie | eyebrowns, but I won't go into further notice on this.. it's quite impractical to setup servers anyways in this way since your upload is always capped by your ISP provider. |
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| 03:50.19 | whitephoenix | I need gparted but my internet isn't working on my main rig so how would I install it over usb? |
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| 03:50.59 | eyebrowns | hmmm... my ISP provider probably not blocking anything and even offer IP addresses |
| 03:51.08 | beepie | whitephoenix, i always use a copy of gparted live iso on usb |
| 03:51.28 | whitephoenix | I'd like to avoid that as I don't have a usb I'm not using |
| 03:51.42 | beepie | whitephoenix, what do you want to do, it's not clear.. |
| 03:51.53 | beepie | whitephoenix, you want to fix your network? |
| 03:52.20 | whitephoenix | Yeah that would be great but I don't know what to do. I'm running debian off live usb and ethernet isn't working |
| 03:52.27 | eyebrowns | why not clear? i think he need to copy parted.deb on usb stick to his main rig and do dpkg -i parted.deb |
| 03:52.42 | beepie | whitephoenix, so is there anyway you do have internet? |
| 03:53.03 | whitephoenix | beepie: this laptop I'm borrowing right now, I can transfer stuff using usb drives |
| 03:53.12 | beepie | whitephoenix, (there's the debian-live community .iso which includes proprietary firmwares) |
| 03:53.28 | beepie | whitephoenix, there's the gparted live iso, it's about 200 mb.. |
| 03:53.40 | eyebrowns | he also can mount iso as repository |
| 03:54.04 | beepie | whitephoenix, do you have any spare usb? the gaprted live iso can be dumped to usb stick (dump means "dd", or win32image, it destroys anything on usb) |
| 03:54.08 | whitephoenix | I've downloaded several isos for debian and this is the only one that works. can I somehow get the firmwarehere? |
| 03:54.21 | eyebrowns | i use mbr + grub on my usb stick to have multiload usb stick |
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| 03:54.41 | whitephoenix | well tbh if I can get internet working theres no need for an iso because I can just apt-get |
| 03:55.19 | beepie | whitephoenix, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 03:55.26 | whitephoenix | not to mention 200mb will take a good half hour if download speeds are good |
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| 03:55.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, you should always have a gparted-live usb.. it is very useful |
| 03:56.13 | eyebrowns | beepie, he dont need to dd on usb stick. mbr + grub and you can use USB stick as stick and as boot device |
| 03:56.16 | beepie | whitephoenix, especially for rescuing debian systems, as it is also based on debian, and should be very compatible to doing any chroot related work |
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| 03:56.30 | whitephoenix | I'll look into it |
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| 03:56.39 | StarRain | hi there, i want to remove all this trace: how i can? http://pastebin.com/NNqdax4B |
| 03:56.43 | whitephoenix | you think the firmware cd thing you sent will fix my internet problemthough? |
| 03:56.59 | beepie | eyebrowns, you can dd iso files to usb to boot them. This is the new way of not using CDs. |
| 03:57.11 | eyebrowns | beepie, but it will purge all data! |
| 03:57.20 | beepie | eyebrowns, that is why I said if he has a "spare" usb. |
| 03:57.24 | beepie | eyebrowns, god dam read! |
| 03:57.27 | beepie | lol |
| 03:57.35 | whitephoenix | basically my pc is screwed right now lol |
| 03:57.47 | eyebrowns | beepie, but if you set mbr and grub on usb stick then you dont need to purge it and use USB stick as regular too! |
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| 03:58.03 | beepie | eyebrowns, that takes more work, and he's too new to linux to know how to do that |
| 03:58.05 | whitephoenix | windows broke while updating graphics drivers, so I just said heck with it, I'll switch like I've been meaning too |
| 03:58.29 | beepie | whitephoenix, there's a debian.exe installer from it's install media.. it may be called something similar to this. |
| 03:58.41 | beepie | whitephoenix, (it'll be an ".exe") on the cd you can launch from windows |
| 03:58.42 | eyebrowns | beepie, i mailed that instruction to debian mailiting list. dont remember what one |
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| 03:58.52 | whitephoenix | don't have windows anymore though |
| 03:59.04 | beepie | whitephoenix, um. |
| 03:59.11 | eyebrowns | yea |
| 03:59.23 | beepie | whitephoenix, you have this system which is running what? |
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| 03:59.31 | kusznir | Hi all: I've got a debian system that I'm setting up, and I hooked up my old /home disk, set up fstab, etc, and stuff is largely working. However, for some reason during boot, it believes that disk is not clean and needs to be checked. it starts a check, but times it out after 90 sec, and drops me into maintenance shell login. |
| 03:59.35 | beepie | whitephoenix, do you have a spare usb? |
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| 03:59.45 | whitephoenix | yes I guess |
| 03:59.48 | beepie | whitephoenix, ("spare" means nothing you need to save on it) |
| 03:59.55 | kusznir | I've manually run fsck, and verified that the filesystem is clean, but on boot, the boot scripts still insist that one disk needs an fsck. |
| 04:00.01 | beepie | whitephoenix, so just use win32imager with the gparted iso to the usb |
| 04:00.05 | whitephoenix | This laptop I'm borrowing has win7, my main rig has a broken debian install and is currently running off liveusb |
| 04:00.16 | kusznir | How do I figure out why it keeps wanting to check that disk and/or how do I extend the timeout for that check? |
| 04:00.19 | whitephoenix | but I'll still have internet issues |
| 04:00.40 | beepie | whitephoenix, so you're saying you only ONE usb device? |
| 04:00.58 | beepie | whitephoenix, do you have a "spare" ? |
| 04:01.06 | whitephoenix | Yes, one spare |
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| 04:01.16 | beepie | whitephoenix, use the spare usb, -- run this -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 04:01.34 | beepie | whitephoenix, http://gparted.org/download.php |
| 04:01.42 | eyebrowns | kusznir, did you google this question first? |
| 04:01.49 | beepie | whitephoenix, using win32imager will "nuke" the usb |
| 04:01.50 | whitephoenix | I'm saying I have a lot of issues right now. On my debian install normal.mod is missing and itcan't boot, on live usb ethernet won't work, and my hard drive can't be accessed |
| 04:01.54 | whitephoenix | yeah I know |
| 04:02.01 | beepie | whitephoenix, and turn the usb into a gparted-live booter |
| 04:02.14 | kusznir | Yes, and so far, all the answers are not to the question, but saying unhelpful things. |
| 04:02.40 | kusznir | Most of the results about startup job timeouts are related to network, and they say "switch to network manager instead". So far, I haven't found any info on job timeouts. |
| 04:02.40 | beepie | whitephoenix, you can also try this-> http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ |
| 04:02.50 | beepie | whitephoenix, that does a one-click graphical fix for grub for the main distros |
| 04:03.00 | beepie | whitephoenix, you may want to try that first |
| 04:03.00 | whitephoenix | Okay, just a second. I can get the firmware debian instead, then that should fix my ethernet issues hopefully, then from there I can easily get gparted from apt instead of download a whole other 200mb |
| 04:03.14 | whitephoenix | Ok |
| 04:03.14 | kusznir | As to what is causing the disk check, I have no idea...the google hits are way too numerous, and I've already eliminated 99% of them by manually fsck'ing the disk in the maintenance shell. |
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| 04:03.39 | whitephoenix | crap its 600 mb... |
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| 04:03.48 | beepie | whitephoenix, what is? |
| 04:03.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, the debian-live installer? |
| 04:04.01 | whitephoenix | the boot repair iso |
| 04:04.11 | beepie | whitephoenix, not sure what exactly you're trying to fix, other than you saying you need to make partition fixes |
| 04:04.17 | beepie | whitephoenix, no it isnt.. |
| 04:04.29 | beepie | whitephoenix, yes it is |
| 04:04.36 | whitephoenix | yeah... |
| 04:04.50 | beepie | whitephoenix, .. but it's a good tool that can last for a good year or two until grub radically changes again |
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| 04:05.05 | beepie | whitephoenix, it works across many of the popular distros that use grub.. here i tests with at least 4 |
| 04:05.07 | whitephoenix | Okay |
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| 04:05.15 | beepie | whitephoenix, i suppose you're having grub issues? |
| 04:05.25 | whitephoenix | I guess |
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| 04:05.31 | beepie | whitephoenix, btw this tool is now part of ubuntu's install media |
| 04:05.33 | whitephoenix | it said normal.mod is missing |
| 04:05.38 | beepie | whitephoenix, but i don't know if it can be run separately |
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| 04:05.44 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 04:05.46 | beepie | whitephoenix, normal.mod sounds like grub definitely |
| 04:05.52 | kusznir | eyebrowns: From my perspective, an fsck will take more than 90 sec, so no matter what, the "right" solution to me is to extend the boot timeout, but all google responces to that question sidestep it and direct the person to something else, accepting the timeout is correct. In my case, I believe it is incorrect and want to change the timeout, but I cannot find where the timeout is set. |
| 04:05.54 | eyebrowns | kusznir, im just same visitor as you. personally, cant guess, but in your situation ill google it to death until i solve. |
| 04:06.11 | whitephoenix | so if that fixes it I still have internet and hard drive to worry about |
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| 04:06.36 | Rusty1 | kusznir: is it possible to fsck the partition from a live cd/dvd? |
| 04:06.38 | beepie | kusznir, do you get any drv err warnings in dmesg? |
| 04:06.41 | eyebrowns | kusznir, never happened to me. or cant remember |
| 04:06.41 | whitephoenix | something about a ntfs signature missing |
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| 04:07.05 | kusznir | Rusty1: Not very easily. The system in question is a arm-based plug computer. |
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| 04:07.33 | FelixFire619_ | First time debian as os user! w00t loving it so faar just installed ;) |
| 04:07.44 | beepie | FelixFire619_, congratulations |
| 04:07.53 | kusznir | beepie: no errors, just "Starting File System Check on /d..." and [ TIME ] Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2did-scsi\...2dpart1.device. |
| 04:08.04 | FelixFire619_ | unfortently i had to leave gentoo but meh |
| 04:08.04 | beepie | kusznir, oh that systemd shit |
| 04:08.08 | whitephoenix | Felix congrats on not having a million errors like me :P |
| 04:08.38 | beepie | kusznir, it's a nuissance i recall getting something like it similar, i forget what i did... it may have been something else though i can't recall exactly |
| 04:08.52 | beepie | kusznir, lemme see |
| 04:09.04 | FelixFire619_ | hoping to get my favorite apps running ;) |
| 04:09.27 | beepie | kusznir, what does tune2fs say about the count check? |
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| 04:09.43 | beepie | kusznir, dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda1 | grep -i 'mount count' |
| 04:10.01 | whitephoenix | so whats the appeal to using gentoo? |
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| 04:10.24 | kusznir | beepie: mount count is 0. Just ran fsck manually, rebooted, and check still forced. |
| 04:10.43 | whitephoenix | Yes!! |
| 04:10.45 | whitephoenix | youtube and g+ are splitting! |
| 04:10.48 | beepie | FelixFire619_, i discovered this somewhat of a not-bad list of opensource software that should already be packaged in debian - https://www.thefanclub.co.za/software-selection |
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| 04:11.07 | kusznir | Although due to the issues with console on this hardware (its serial with a special serial cable that is not normally connected); I'd want the system to auto-fsck on reboot if fsck is required (mount time is more likely to be reached...system typically has uptimes in excess of 180 days) |
| 04:11.28 | beepie | FelixFire619_, this may also be good but it's more cluttered with advanced command-line tools (might be outdated- the debian wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Software ) |
| 04:11.38 | beepie | FelixFire619_, lots of choices |
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| 04:11.46 | FelixFire619_ | im ttalking weechat, a nodejs editor 'atom' etc |
| 04:11.59 | beepie | i never quite use the debian wiki, never got used to it.. been using debian before it even came out lol |
| 04:11.59 | whitephoenix | atom.io is sweet |
| 04:12.06 | FelixFire619_ | hopefully apt-get atom works ;) |
| 04:12.12 | FelixFire619_ | and apt-get weechat |
| 04:12.20 | FelixFire619_ | i nevre can build'em from source nd gett'em to work |
| 04:12.21 | eyebrowns | beepie, i got more clear in my question. first gooogle link http://superuser.com/questions/610882/how-do-i-host-multiple-physical-web-servers-behind-a-single-ip-address |
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| 04:12.30 | beepie | hexchat is my choice after i retired xchat2 |
| 04:12.30 | FelixFire619_ | also i need yakuake and gauke |
| 04:12.42 | beepie | xchat2 still serves well for others (no wars please :P) |
| 04:12.47 | beepie | guake is good |
| 04:12.56 | kusznir | beepie: I think I found the timeout setting: /etc/systemd/user.conf. I'm testing now. |
| 04:13.00 | eyebrowns | and quake is sooooo gooooood |
| 04:13.04 | beepie | 2nd choice to it would be tilda, it's got its advantages not avail to guake |
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| 04:13.21 | beepie | kusznir, what about the mount count? |
| 04:13.26 | beepie | kusznir, what number does it say? |
| 04:13.31 | kusznir | Mount count 0; max 40 |
| 04:13.31 | whitephoenix | anyone know anything about a hard drive missing a ntfs signature |
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| 04:13.37 | beepie | kusznir, should be 20, not 0 |
| 04:13.39 | Rusty1 | kusznir: http://www.ducea.com/2008/10/24/linux-tips-force-fsck-run-during-the-next-reboot/ if you havent already |
| 04:14.07 | kusznir | Mounts 0 are the number of times its been mounted since last fsck; that's 0. Max mount count I thought was set to 40 |
| 04:14.29 | eyebrowns | whitephoenix, did you google this question? |
| 04:14.39 | beepie | kusznir, what happens when you use-> tune2fs -c 20 /dev/sda1 ? |
| 04:14.53 | beepie | kusznir, then run e2fsck on it |
| 04:15.03 | beepie | kusznir, it should drop properly |
| 04:15.11 | whitephoenix | eyebrowns: yes |
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| 04:15.20 | kusznir | root@dream:~# dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda1 | grep -i 'mount count';dumpe2fs 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014);Mount count: 0;Maximum mount count: 40 |
| 04:15.27 | FelixFire619_ | my apt-get update is almost done yey! |
| 04:15.36 | beepie | kusznir, try the tune2fs -c command |
| 04:16.24 | beepie | kusznir, i suppose it would be the second field that means what i think is referred to-- i did this long while ago |
| 04:16.32 | kusznir | beepie: maximum mount count changed to 20. |
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| 04:16.50 | beepie | kusznir, and if you run e2fsck ? |
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| 04:17.20 | FelixFire619_ | is there a apt-get for atom? |
| 04:17.21 | kusznir | I looked at the dumpe2fs command, and found it says the filesystem is clean, |
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| 04:17.29 | FelixFire619_ | apt-get install atom didnt work |
| 04:17.39 | beepie | kusznir, but the count should change -- the filesystem shouldn't be mounted when fsck it |
| 04:17.46 | whitephoenix | beepie: would installing that firmware live usb thing work instead of the rescue iso |
| 04:17.47 | kusznir | I do see a "next check after Nov 24 2012", even though it was created in 2015, |
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| 04:18.06 | beepie | whitephoenix, cant guarantee, all i know is the non-free (unofficial) includes the proprietary firmwares.. |
| 04:18.10 | kusznir | beepie: the filesystem has not been mounted since the last fsck. I fsck'ed it from maintence already, but it hasn't successfully booted yet. |
| 04:18.22 | beepie | whitephoenix, you may need to use the "expert" install option if the firmwares are not loaded with the installer.. |
| 04:18.31 | beepie | whitephoenix, can you see your nic while installing debian? |
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| 04:19.01 | whitephoenix | I'm worried that after I fix my existing iso with the rescue thing it will still have ethernet issues |
| 04:19.08 | whitephoenix | I'm using ethernet not wireless |
| 04:19.11 | beepie | kusznir, yes, meant oops to mount it afterwards and see what happens |
| 04:19.19 | beepie | kusznir, after you done the e2fsck |
| 04:19.27 | beepie | kusznir, btw this is not on raid1 is it? |
| 04:19.33 | beepie | kusznir, (mdadm?) |
| 04:19.51 | kusznir | beepie: No this is not raid...Single 2TB SATA disk mounted "straight up". |
| 04:19.53 | whitephoenix | a week without tf2, rip in parsnips, sanity |
| 04:20.08 | beepie | whitephoenix, does the installer ever show you your nic? |
| 04:20.16 | kusznir | fsck is not updating "next check after" unfortunately. |
| 04:20.17 | whitephoenix | never saw it |
| 04:20.23 | beepie | whitephoenix, (what is the nic?-- i can check what firmware, if needed) |
| 04:20.33 | kusznir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:20.51 | whitephoenix | uhhh I forget |
| 04:20.51 | beepie | whitephoenix, ok, so choose the expert option (using the debian-live unofficial cd), and ensure you choose firmware "modules" for the installer |
| 04:20.56 | whitephoenix | something realtek lol |
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| 04:21.18 | beepie | whitephoenix, if i'm correct and the debian-live didn't auto-load them, you can select them (you might have to choose "expert" mode install) |
| 04:21.21 | whitephoenix | Okay, I'll do that... tommorow when it downloads |
| 04:21.34 | FelixFire619_ | how can imake gauke open in the bottom up and not top down |
| 04:21.36 | beepie | whitephoenix, remember these words-> "expert mode", "module section enable" and "firmware" options from the module list |
| 04:21.47 | beepie | whitephoenix, then when you "nic" detection comes you should see your nic |
| 04:21.47 | whitephoenix | you don't think I can get the firmware withtout download the other one? |
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| 04:22.07 | beepie | whitephoenix, it makes it easier -- the "official" debian installer doesn't include closed firmware |
| 04:22.16 | beepie | whitephoenix, just the "installer" media |
| 04:22.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, there's no way to download it from the "repositories" "non-free" if you have no nic setup |
| 04:22.38 | beepie | whitephoenix, it's a catch 22 |
| 04:22.46 | whitephoenix | I know but I want to know if I can get the firmware somewhere else so I don't have to wait 4 hours to download another iso |
| 04:23.07 | beepie | whitephoenix, other distros include proprietary by default, but they can get into legal trouble |
| 04:23.11 | beepie | whitephoenix, lol |
| 04:23.22 | beepie | whitephoenix, there are "dependencies" |
| 04:23.31 | whitephoenix | ugh this sucks |
| 04:23.32 | beepie | whitephoenix, of packages, so you'll be running in circles |
| 04:23.39 | kusznir | Ok, got the systemd timeout set to 6 min. We'll see if this fixes it...I think it will. |
| 04:23.40 | whitephoenix | that will be 5 days without a working pc |
| 04:23.43 | beepie | whitephoenix, easier to just use the debian-live with firmware.. |
| 04:23.50 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 04:24.11 | beepie | whitephoenix, it'll be so much back and forth irc, blogs, etc.. on how to get one .deb, plant it on usb, transfer, it.. |
| 04:24.18 | whitephoenix | okay |
| 04:24.21 | beepie | whitephoenix, then you find out you need a more updated driver to use the firmware |
| 04:24.23 | whitephoenix | I'll just download the iso thing |
| 04:24.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, (some newer firmware work better with a newer driver)-- it becomes messy |
| 04:24.47 | whitephoenix | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 04:24.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, I did this back ~ Debian 7 with a mac mini 2012 |
| 04:25.03 | beepie | whitephoenix, and it was very very ugly.. |
| 04:25.24 | beepie | whitephoenix, but now I don't need to do this anymore, because the newer updates now includes the firmware (that is the unofficial installer) |
| 04:25.25 | whitephoenix | I can only assume I use amd64 having an amd processor and a 64 bit pc/? |
| 04:25.39 | beepie | whitephoenix, so I know how difficult this is... I had to download several very specific packages. |
| 04:26.04 | whitephoenix | do I want bt-hybrid, iso-hybrid, webboot or what |
| 04:26.26 | beepie | whitephoenix, amd first came out with x86_64 -- "amd64" in Debian branch names is misleading |
| 04:26.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, so you're right |
| 04:26.39 | beepie | whitephoenix, it also include "intel 64-bit" x86 |
| 04:26.43 | x86_64 | yo! |
| 04:26.43 | whitephoenix | ok |
| 04:26.48 | x86_64 | looks at beepie |
| 04:26.52 | whitephoenix | lol |
| 04:27.23 | beepie | whitephoenix, distinguish that from itanium-64, that's something of a different architecture |
| 04:27.24 | beepie | !amd64 |
| 04:27.24 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
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| 04:27.50 | whitephoenix | so bt-hybrid, iso-hybrid or webboot for live usb |
| 04:27.51 | mancomunado | AlexLikeRock, i have .mp3 and want to know about the songs name |
| 04:27.56 | mancomunado | have .mp3 and want to know about the songs name |
| 04:28.01 | beepie | whitephoenix, iso-hybrid.. |
| 04:28.02 | mancomunado | WUTR DO?? |
| 04:28.17 | beepie | whitephoenix, bt-hybrid means bittorrent -- if the straight copying from sites is too slow |
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| 04:28.53 | whitephoenix | I guessI want debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso then, download speeds don't matter, I'll just leave it on overnight |
| 04:30.04 | whitephoenix | beepie: downloading a new debian iso means I don't actually need the grub rescue thing right |
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| 04:30.37 | beepie | whitephoenix, you can try this one-> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso |
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| 04:30.54 | kusznir | beepie: I found answers to both of my questions: 1) setting the timeouts for systemd jobs is a config |
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| 04:31.32 | beepie | whitephoenix, you should have the boot-repair iso, the debian installer media does come with some limitted fix capability for grub -- but I have found boot-repair iso somewhat better |
| 04:31.33 | whitephoenix | beepie, what de does that one come with |
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| 04:31.45 | beepie | whitephoenix, would be the default as usual -- gnome |
| 04:32.07 | whitephoenix | wait so whats the difference between that and the one I posted |
| 04:32.13 | beepie | whitephoenix, that one is 470 meg |
| 04:32.14 | whitephoenix | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 04:32.44 | beepie | whitephoenix, yours is twice the size of the iso (actually 3 times) |
| 04:32.50 | beepie | whitephoenix, iso is much much larger |
| 04:32.51 | whitephoenix | oh |
| 04:33.12 | beepie | whitephoenix, its far down hard to see on the same list |
| 04:33.18 | whitephoenix | why is that one so much smaller? |
| 04:33.19 | beepie | whitephoenix, its confusing .. |
| 04:33.32 | beepie | whitephoenix, it says "CD" in the url, but DVD isoz are in the lsit |
| 04:33.36 | beepie | whitephoenix, list |
| 04:33.46 | beepie | whitephoenix, should only be for CD's.. |
| 04:34.05 | whitephoenix | okay I'll go with the one you gave me |
| 04:34.30 | beepie | whitephoenix, turn off any auto-sleep crap with that laptop just in case lol |
| 04:34.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, "winbloze" |
| 04:34.42 | whitephoenix | yep |
| 04:35.07 | beepie | whitephoenix, less applications bundled with it |
| 04:35.15 | whitephoenix | oh ok |
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| 04:35.21 | beepie | whitephoenix, I personally would go for the netinst if its avail |
| 04:35.31 | beepie | whitephoenix, but you're not available to use any |
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| 04:35.52 | beepie | whitephoenix, de at all, and you'll need to apt-get install things from the shell for whole other night for X11 packages |
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| 04:36.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 04:36.38 | whitephoenix | Don't know what you mean |
| 04:36.55 | whitephoenix | I don't want netinst |
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| 04:37.44 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.03 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.18 | beepie | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.37 | rabbitear | lilo is better than grub, grub is bloat |
| 04:38.55 | rabbitear | beepie: lsmod |
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| 04:39.14 | beepie | whitephoenix, possibly you're able to do this, but I can't tell exactly what is working on your system |
| 04:39.16 | whitephoenix | could you provide actual commands because I'm a linux noob |
| 04:39.20 | beepie | whitephoenix, yes.. |
| 04:39.32 | beepie | whitephoenix, um, apt-cdrom <enter> :p |
| 04:39.34 | whitephoenix | it all worked just fine until windows broke |
| 04:39.41 | whitephoenix | oh |
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| 04:40.30 | beepie | whitephoenix, say on the usb filesystem-> mount /dev/sdz1 /mnt/myusb/ |
| 04:40.43 | beepie | whitephoenix, now you have the .iso in /mnt/myusb/1.iso |
| 04:40.48 | whitephoenix | will you be here tommorow in case I need help with installation? |
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| 04:41.03 | beepie | whitephoenix, you mount that .iso -> mount /mnt/myusb/1.iso /mnt/myiso |
| 04:41.13 | beepie | whitephoenix, it'll mount that read-only |
| 04:41.19 | FelixFire619 | anyone know how to set gauke to pop from the bottom not top? |
| 04:41.20 | beepie | whitephoenix, apt-cdrom -d /mnt/myiso |
| 04:41.40 | beepie | whitephoenix, then you can, apt-get update, then apt-cache search firmware, then apt-get install those firmware packages |
| 04:41.50 | beepie | whitephoenix, save this irc log as an output text, :p |
| 04:41.53 | beepie | whitephoenix, haha |
| 04:41.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, told you |
| 04:42.04 | beepie | whitephoenix, this is one way of doing it.. |
| 04:42.24 | beepie | whitephoenix, another more difficult way is to download packages from unstable or experimental repositories not indexed yet |
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| 04:42.42 | whitephoenix | the info you're giving me is way over my linux noob head |
| 04:42.52 | beepie | whitephoenix, yep |
| 04:43.04 | beepie | whitephoenix, and this is the easier way than the way i did it |
| 04:43.08 | beepie | whitephoenix, lol |
| 04:43.21 | beepie | whitephoenix, but this might even fix your problem.. if it's not grub that is the problem |
| 04:44.00 | beepie | whitephoenix, it's possible you will have the same "grub" boot problem--- and i've seen this is common with UEFI/BIOS systems |
| 04:44.23 | beepie | whitephoenix, easiest is to disable UEFI detection with its BIOS setting so that grub-efi is not installed, but rather grub-pc |
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| 04:44.31 | beepie | whitephoenix, so you might want to check this |
| 04:44.36 | whitephoenix | no idea what that means |
| 04:44.43 | beepie | whitephoenix, UEFI? |
| 04:44.49 | whitephoenix | I know what that is |
| 04:44.51 | beepie | whitephoenix, when you hit "delete" on system boot |
| 04:44.57 | whitephoenix | but idk grub-efi or grub-pc |
| 04:45.07 | beepie | whitephoenix, yeah.. there's a "compatiblity" mode UEFI can use called "UEFI/BIOS" |
| 04:45.21 | beepie | whitephoenix, this can confuse some linux installers to install grub-efi instead of grub-pc |
| 04:45.28 | beepie | whitephoenix, or the other way around.. |
| 04:45.39 | whitephoenix | in bios now, I'll try to find it |
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| 04:45.44 | beepie | whitephoenix, so if you don't use one, then try to enforce it more strictly with your bios setting |
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| 04:46.49 | whitephoenix | I don't see that option all I see is secure boot which is enabled |
| 04:48.11 | beepie | whitephoenix, aw shit |
| 04:48.15 | beepie | whitephoenix, secure boot! |
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| 04:48.25 | whitephoenix | should that be off? |
| 04:48.27 | beepie | whitephoenix, that could be problematic |
| 04:48.29 | beepie | whitephoenix, y |
| 04:48.37 | beepie | whitephoenix, maybe debian boots now lo |
| 04:48.40 | beepie | whitephoenix, check |
| 04:48.45 | whitephoenix | okay |
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| 04:49.06 | whitephoenix | nope |
| 04:49.11 | whitephoenix | normal.mod not found |
| 04:49.32 | beepie | whitephoenix, which iso are you currently downloading? boot-repair iso? |
| 04:49.42 | beepie | whitephoenix, either one is ok i guess |
| 04:49.43 | whitephoenix | yeah |
| 04:50.03 | whitephoenix | its like 10 pm here so I'm gonna download that debian one you gave me over night |
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| 04:51.10 | beepie | whitephoenix, but you're going to find a way to um.. rescue your data, with the gparted-live iso it's easy to mount with the default partitiong program that loads up-- you basically rt-mouse click partitions and it mounts it for you |
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| 04:51.16 | whitephoenix | just noticed in bios os type was set to windows 8 |
| 04:51.27 | beepie | whitephoenix, this way you can transfer your data to your usb#1 |
| 04:51.37 | beepie | whitephoenix, (usb#2 would be your debian installer) |
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| 04:51.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, oh |
| 04:51.57 | whitephoenix | Why not just download gparted from apt once debian is up? it takes less time to install and is easier |
| 04:52.01 | beepie | whitephoenix, change that to "other" |
| 04:52.11 | beepie | whitephoenix, because it's a self-booting iso |
| 04:52.14 | whitephoenix | I did |
| 04:52.16 | beepie | whitephoenix, it's always "more recent |
| 04:52.39 | beepie | whitephoenix, so you have 2 usb's.. with this tool it's easier to backup your data.. |
| 04:52.44 | whitephoenix | for boot mode where the options are uefi only, legacy only, or eufi and legacy which should Ihave |
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| 04:52.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, legacy |
| 04:53.04 | beepie | whitephoenix, (legacy means "bios-boots") |
| 04:53.10 | whitephoenix | ok |
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| 04:53.13 | whitephoenix | try debian again? |
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| 04:53.26 | beepie | whitephoenix, do you have anything you want to backup from the internal hd? |
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| 04:53.33 | beepie | whitephoenix, or did it ever boot? |
| 04:53.45 | whitephoenix | nope didn't boot |
| 04:53.47 | beepie | whitephoenix, i can't tell if you were using debian 7 previously |
| 04:54.06 | whitephoenix | this is my first debian |
| 04:54.09 | whitephoenix | or might as well be |
| 04:54.26 | beepie | ok that could have very well be it |
| 04:54.34 | beepie | shold work with less boot issues |
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| 04:55.09 | beepie | whitephoenix, and again you're trying to boot it XD |
| 04:55.20 | beepie | whitephoenix, lol |
| 04:55.23 | whitephoenix | worth a shot |
| 04:55.29 | beepie | whitephoenix, never give up! XD |
| 04:55.31 | beepie | hahahaa |
| 04:55.33 | beepie | fun |
| 04:55.35 | beepie | for you! |
| 04:56.05 | whitephoenix | okay well I'm going to bed, gonna download those isos and be back in like 10-11ish hours |
| 04:56.20 | whitephoenix | thanks for the help |
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| 04:56.56 | beepie | whitephoenix, np |
| 04:56.59 | eyebrowns | shot... drinkers! |
| 04:57.06 | beepie | whitephoenix, gn |
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| 04:57.34 | beepie | whitephoenix, that's a pita and hopefully it'll be the permanent fix.. i'm betting that was the problem with the bios setting |
| 04:57.45 | beepie | whitephoenix, should be better.. goodluck |
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| 05:02.04 | FelixFire619 | does anyone know a cli command to allow guake to pop up from the bottom instaed of top? |
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| 05:04.41 | daffy__ | im on debian testing, just installed lazarus via apt |
| 05:04.59 | daffy__ | i just noticed that a newer version is available |
| 05:05.05 | daffy__ | in ther web |
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| 05:05.28 | rselon | daffy__: testing lags behind about a week |
| 05:05.52 | daffy__ | should i purge the older one before dpkg the packager from their website? |
| 05:06.15 | daffy__ | package* |
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| 05:07.28 | beepie | daffy__, purge means to delete your saved configuration files in /etc |
| 05:07.40 | daffy__ | yup beepie |
| 05:07.43 | beepie | daffy__, so if you've setup changes here you just want to remove rather than purge |
| 05:08.03 | rselon | should dpkg be able to handle that automatically? |
| 05:08.06 | daffy__ | its a clean install |
| 05:08.08 | rselon | I dont think theres a need to remove |
| 05:08.38 | beepie | !purge |
| 05:08.38 | dpkg | "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 05:10.01 | rselon | daffy__: the new version should hit the official testing repos in a few days anyway |
| 05:10.29 | rselon | if no major issues are found |
| 05:10.33 | daffy__ | idk.. in unstable is in 1.4RC |
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| 05:11.05 | daffy__ | on lazarus its 1.4.2 |
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| 05:12.34 | daffy__ | my question is if its okay to dpkg the .deb from their sources? |
| 05:12.52 | daffy__ | without removing the older version firts |
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| 05:21.08 | kusznir | beepie: I've found the root cause: the next check time is not being updated, and is stuck in 2012 for some reason (this disk wasn't even manufactured then!) Manual updates with tune2fs are not actually getting saved. Other parameters are, but the -T now parameter is having no effect (although it reports success) |
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| 05:21.39 | beepie | kusznir, was the filesystem unmounted while trying tune2fs? |
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| 05:22.04 | beepie | kusznir, oh time |
| 05:22.25 | beepie | kusznir, but still the count is a filesystem head change.. so i doubt datetime reported by the system has to do with it |
| 05:22.43 | beepie | kusznir, unless the startup script is looking at it as a factor |
| 05:22.49 | beepie | kusznir, is this rpi by any chance? |
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| 05:25.46 | beepie | kusznir, i thought it was the "mount" that changes this -- sorry if i gave incorrect impression |
| 05:26.12 | kusznir | beepie: now this is a Dreamplug, but similar to rpi. |
| 05:26.23 | beepie | kusznir, (though you said the max count - you were able to change it to 20) |
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| 05:26.43 | beepie | kusznir, oh sometimes those things dont come with a hw clock -- here my rpi forces me to use ntpd -- to have the proper time on bootup |
| 05:26.50 | beepie | kusznir, otherwise it's all 1970 for new files |
| 05:26.55 | kusznir | There are three things checked on mount for a filesystem: has mount count exceeded max count; is current date after date of next check required, and is the filesystem clean. |
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| 05:27.18 | beepie | kusznir, can you set the max count to 0 ? lol |
| 05:27.25 | beepie | kusznir, that'll stubbornly fix things |
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| 05:27.58 | kusznir | Date appears to be set correctly (I can run "date" and it reports correctly from the maintence terminal. Mount count is fine, and that's not triggering it. I do see a message when manually mounting it that it is due for a check based on date. |
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| 05:30.05 | kusznir | Its not the mount count that is causing the problem, it is the check required after <date> that is the issue. Run a dumpe2fs -h on one of your ext3 filesystems. Look about 3/4 down the list, you'll see a series of dates, then some more fields, then one more date filed that is "last checked". That's the issue I'm having...that field is not getting updated. |
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| 05:31.27 | valdyn | kusznir: i dont see that you can even change that date in tune2fs |
| 05:31.58 | valdyn | kusznir: nm, its -T |
| 05:32.28 | beepie | kusznir, it's reporting a 2012 date/ |
| 05:32.31 | beepie | kusznir, ? |
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| 05:34.57 | beepie | kusznir, maybe it's checking 'Filesystem state: ' |
| 05:35.27 | beepie | kusznir, there's also 'Check interval' |
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| 05:37.28 | kusznir | I'll have to try messign with more things...stuck at the moment, I'll try tomorrow. Thanks for the help |
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| 05:39.07 | beepie | ok |
| 05:39.13 | beepie | curious to know what it was.. |
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| 05:39.36 | beepie | even though it's on an arm platform, i know here on the rpi i'm using i need nptd, as there's no hw clock that comes with it |
| 05:39.50 | beepie | (supposed you may have something with lacking hte hw clock on that arm platform) |
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| 05:57.09 | squisher | hey folks, I just shot myself in the foot while upgrading wheezy->jessie: I thought postgresql would automatically upgrade my cluster, so I removed the 9.1 server |
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| 05:57.24 | squisher | but pg_upgradecluster needs it, and it's not installable anymore... any hints? |
| 05:58.02 | Hydroxide | squisher: install it from wheezy? packages.debian.org/<packagename> gives you all the packages from all non-archived versions of debian, including wheezy |
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| 05:58.20 | Hydroxide | squisher: or temporarily add the wheezy sources to sources.list (keep the jessie ones), apt-get update, and then apt-get -t wheezy install <packages you need> |
| 05:58.29 | Hydroxide | squisher: second option is probably more secure since gpg validation remains in use |
| 05:59.02 | squisher | yeah, good point |
| 05:59.09 | squisher | thx Hydroxide |
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| 06:00.35 | squisher | postgres upgrades are such a pain :-\ |
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| 06:02.20 | Hydroxide | squisher: to some degree, yeah, but at least it's nicely wrapped in a few commands. I think a lot of DBAs and app developers would complain if it happened automatically and anything went wrong |
| 06:02.49 | Hydroxide | squisher: (I don't believe the wheezy->jessie upgrade disrupted the old setup, aside from the human error you mentioned which is easy to make but not automatic) |
| 06:03.17 | squisher | Hydroxide, no, you're right... and the potential space requirement makes it complicated to do the upgrade automatically |
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| 06:03.36 | beepie | debian is on 9.1 ? |
| 06:03.38 | beepie | lol |
| 06:03.42 | beepie | whaaaa |
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| 06:03.44 | squisher | beepie, that's wheezy |
| 06:03.44 | beepie | ttt ? |
| 06:03.54 | Hydroxide | beepie: debian is on 9.4 |
| 06:04.00 | beepie | oh you mean postgresql phew |
| 06:04.03 | Hydroxide | beepie: the previous debian release from which squisher was upgrading is on 9.1 |
| 06:04.06 | Hydroxide | beepie: correct. |
| 06:04.20 | Hydroxide | yeah debian itself is just on 8.1 :) |
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| 06:05.01 | beepie | the way i normally upgrade is adding a jessie.list under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and keeping the wheezy sources, i later remove the wheezy after the upgrade -- i think i bugreported about this before long ago where there's less issues keeping the old repos |
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| 06:05.38 | beepie | i think it's because there's newer things in backports, |
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| 06:05.57 | beepie | perhaps if i comment out backports.. i might not get this problem of conflicts |
| 06:06.18 | beepie | it's my strategy from experience-- i think it was more pervasive after the introduction of backports |
| 06:07.52 | Hydroxide | beepie: best way is always to follow the instructions in the release notes for the newer release |
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| 06:08.05 | beepie | Hydroxide, don't worry I do..been on debian for long time |
| 06:08.06 | beepie | lol |
| 06:08.13 | Hydroxide | they do specifically address backports as well as many other gotchas |
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| 06:08.35 | Hydroxide | and backports hasn't always been as official as it (happily) is now. |
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| 06:08.42 | beepie | i normally do apt-get dist-upgrade, then apt-get upgrade |
| 06:08.55 | beepie | yeah backports has become official for quite some time |
| 06:09.06 | beepie | i've been using it before it became officially supported XD |
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| 06:09.58 | Hydroxide | beepie: the release notes say a whole lot more than those two commands and are always the best source for answers of how to handle edge cases like you describe each release (some of the answers do change each cycle) |
| 06:10.09 | Hydroxide | of course they are the core of it |
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| 06:11.22 | beepie | I should note I do add "backports" after, or if there are too many problems , I merely then add "backports for jessie" and i think this helps |
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| 06:12.02 | beepie | eg, I cut out any "backports" from wheezy, first, then apply apt-get update, run the apt-get with dist-upgrade later, then add backports for jessie |
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| 06:12.21 | beepie | cant recall exactly the steps, i did this back in may |
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| 06:12.47 | beepie | it worked really well, but one thing i may be left with are some wheezy packages i don't want any longer on this system |
| 06:12.50 | Hydroxide | right |
| 06:12.54 | Hydroxide | that sounds good |
| 06:12.56 | beepie | (that may be sourced from backports) |
| 06:13.12 | Hydroxide | beepie: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#for-next |
| 06:13.16 | beepie | yeah i do have some wheezy leftovers |
| 06:13.27 | beepie | sure i read it long ago lol |
| 06:13.43 | Hydroxide | ah, not quite the same as what you said |
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| 06:13.58 | beepie | it's funny to see that the documentation writers still have the "unofficial backports" in writing :) |
| 06:13.58 | Hydroxide | that doesn't clear obsolete but installed packages |
| 06:14.11 | Hydroxide | send a patch :) |
| 06:14.19 | beepie | "File conflicts should not occur if you upgrade from a âpureâ wheezy system, but can occur if you have unofficial backports installed." |
| 06:14.34 | beepie | backports became official around 6 |
| 06:14.37 | Hydroxide | you can get rid of the obsolete but installed packages via aptitude or several other programs |
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| 06:14.44 | Hydroxide | after 6 I think, so with 7 |
| 06:15.08 | Hydroxide | they'd happily accept a patch to the jessie release notes to fix an inaccuracy |
| 06:15.08 | beepie | Hydroxide, there a way i can list what packages come from wheezy? im sure there is i forget (i know by individual packagtes it's apt-cache policy) |
| 06:15.20 | Hydroxide | and include it in the 8.2 notes |
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| 06:15.51 | beepie | (but that's for having the wheezy repos set and not for installed packages) |
| 06:16.05 | Hydroxide | beepie: easiest way is only have jessie sources in the sources.list and use aptitude's UI or else use apt-show-versions to find packages w/o a source |
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| 06:16.41 | Hydroxide | apt-show-versions will show which source if you want to keep wheezy in sources.list for some reason |
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| 06:17.25 | beepie | cool never knew about that |
| 06:18.06 | beepie | Hydroxide, i don't think there's 8.2 notes online.. couldnt find it |
| 06:18.49 | Hydroxide | beepie: right, 8.2 is not out yet. hence why a release notes error fix could still be made for it :) |
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| 06:21.25 | beepie | apt-transport-tor , never seen that-- first time i'm trying an apt-cache search with "apt-" |
| 06:21.28 | beepie | haha |
| 06:21.48 | beepie | what anticipated debian might need the torrent network in the future? interesting XD |
| 06:22.17 | beepie | Hydroxide, where's that? |
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| 06:22.40 | beepie | Hydroxide, the release notes of the drafts for these latest release notes ? it's the same page? |
| 06:23.24 | Hydroxide | beepie: I expect the source code to the release notes is in version control. if nothing else, you can submit a bug against the release-notes package |
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| 06:23.42 | Hydroxide | beepie: some of them even have patches. |
| 06:23.42 | beepie | ah |
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| 06:24.02 | Hydroxide | (I mention the patches as examples of how one can offer a patch without having to deal with version control systems) |
| 06:24.04 | beepie | Hydroxide, i think the documentation should be all aggregated into one source , sort of like the arch wiki.. |
| 06:24.41 | Hydroxide | beepie: that would be awkward - how would you use it when offline? most of debian's docs, if not all, are also available in debian |
| 06:24.51 | beepie | Hydroxide, dont worry i can file bugreports when i see them.. |
| 06:24.51 | FemaleAnon | regarding .Xauthority... what is it and is each user's .Xauthority file different? |
| 06:25.21 | Hydroxide | FemaleAnon: yes, each one is different. it's a cryptographic cookie (only local, no reporting home to debian) controlling access to the user's X session |
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| 06:25.50 | Hydroxide | beepie: but actually, a lot of docs are on wiki.debian.org |
| 06:25.50 | beepie | Hydroxide, can offer wiki pages to a /usr/share/wiki XD |
| 06:26.00 | Hydroxide | beepie: and looking at the debian wiki will often provide an answer |
| 06:26.37 | Hydroxide | beepie: IMHO wiki pages are best where you want the newest information, and including it in the distro is good if you want it to match the version you're shipping. aside from actual bugs in the release notes, you want the release notes to match the release |
| 06:26.38 | FemaleAnon | Hydroxide, so... if I have a chroot that I need to place .Xauthority in, in the past I have used a soft link outside of my chroot or copied my user's Xauthority into my chroot... what is the most secure way to go about this? |
| 06:27.04 | Hydroxide | FemaleAnon: if it's the same filesystem, I might just use a hard link (ln without the -s) |
| 06:27.24 | beepie | Hydroxide, it would be good if there was peer-review, where the final wiki commits be done by developers and experienced community members.. i think arch wiki does something like this(or maybe similar -- not too sure though) |
| 06:27.25 | Hydroxide | FemaleAnon: it will basically be two equal references to the same underlying file, so rm'ing just one will not delete the file but rm'ing both will |
| 06:27.50 | Hydroxide | beepie: certainly that's true for the stuff that is version-controlled :) I think for the wiki that would be a frustrating contribution bottleneck. there isn't a lot of crap on debian's wiki anyway |
| 06:27.59 | beepie | Hydroxide, there are some inaccuracies on the arch wiki, but the looks of it seems that the developers care much for the same book -- having accurate information in one place |
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| 06:28.40 | beepie | Hydroxide, i'm sure there's ways to keep portions of it to have a like as /usr/share/doc-wiki/package/ .. |
| 06:28.53 | Hydroxide | beepie: debian's wiki is not open to entirely unidentified contributors but I believe it's possible for anyone to make an account and contribute without further hassle, so it's open without being spammed. and but even so mostly the only people who will bother with that are people who have accurate info :) |
| 06:29.08 | beepie | Hydroxide, and have a synchronous online-wiki source related .. it makes documentation much more uniform and less contradictive between user-peer wiki and developer-wiki |
| 06:29.13 | FemaleAnon | Hydroxide, hmm.... would it be insecure to have a non-privileged system user having access to a privilaged user's .Xauthority file? could it allow privilege escalation in any sense? |
| 06:29.31 | Hydroxide | FemaleAnon: I expect there would be a risk of privilege escalation, yes |
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| 06:30.05 | Hydroxide | beepie: I don't think it would be useful to ship the wiki in debian. as I isaid, it's useful to segregate reference material from 'here's how things currently work' material |
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| 06:30.53 | beepie | Hydroxide, i mean technically it should be possible, but this would mean overhauling a whole new policy on how documentation should be maintained, handled, reviewed and published |
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| 06:31.16 | beepie | Hydroxide, this also sort of wonders what would happen to manpages-- instead we would have "wikipages" XD |
| 06:31.23 | beepie | Hydroxide, xan xan! |
| 06:31.33 | Hydroxide | beepie: if you want to start the discussion, debian-doc@lists.debian.org is a place to discuss with other people who want to improve debian's docs |
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| 06:31.51 | Hydroxide | beepie: my guess is people view the debian wiki different from long-term reference docs, but I don't purport to speak for everyone |
| 06:32.07 | beepie | Hydroxide, yeah definitely because i mean why contradict information with users facing matter-of-opinion than those who know the system at a development-level |
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| 06:32.28 | Hydroxide | beepie: no, I don't view it as user vs developer - different parts of debian's wiki are sometimes used to segregate that - I view it as a different split |
| 06:32.30 | beepie | Hydroxide, hey the arch wiki is a good working example proof of case |
| 06:32.42 | beepie | Hydroxide, it's pretty much self-evident imho.. and it's working |
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| 06:32.57 | jaccob | how to set up mplayer default vid driver instead of always typing -vo x11. I dunno how it got misconfugred in the first place. |
| 06:33.10 | beepie | Hydroxide, i should check into it with the debian-doc list.. and see about what has been brought up about this, i'm sure others have wondered abougt the same |
| 06:33.13 | Hydroxide | beepie: the arch wiki is proof that it can work. it doesn't prove that it's preferable. however we're effectively drowning out other user support questions now, so let's move to /msg if you want to continue this now. |
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| 06:33.53 | beepie | Hydroxide, yes will look into, but it's a good topic i think worth review and i think debian can really benefit from it .. thanks for the suggestions will look into it |
| 06:34.06 | beepie | can use bookmarks! :D |
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| 06:34.17 | beepie | screams wwikis are wicked :p |
| 06:34.20 | Hydroxide | beepie: yup. it's definitely worth thinking about these things from time to time. debian and arch are a mixture of similar and different in many ways :) |
| 06:34.36 | Hydroxide | including each's status quo and also what's best for each. |
| 06:34.47 | beepie | Hydroxide, arch wiki is not perfect either of course.. |
| 06:34.56 | beepie | Hydroxide, but there's an up and down for everything |
| 06:35.00 | beepie | Hydroxide, !! |
| 06:35.02 | Hydroxide | beepie: see above - let's move to /msg |
| 06:35.09 | beepie | yep!!! :0)) |
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| 07:39.37 | caraconan | Hi there. about:plugins already displays the /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so plugin, but when I try to reproduce a youtube video I see a message "An error occurred, please try again later". I also installed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and restarted iceweasel. Any advice? Thanks |
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| 07:44.50 | caraconan | Nobody? |
| 07:44.53 | beepie | caraconan, youtube has been going html5 video for quite some time.. I'd say there are still few sites that need the flash -- your best bet is to use chrome's ppapi flash -- you should disable the gnash |
| 07:46.00 | FemaleAnon | audio in a chroot.... what do I need to mount? is there a .Xauthority equivalent for audio? default jessie install in OS and chroot |
| 07:46.02 | caraconan | beepie: thanks. I would like to keep using iceweasel rather than chromium, and in the other hand I would say Youtube still uses flash. Anyway I'll keep trying, and if not I will follow your suggestion. Thanks |
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| 07:46.14 | x86_64 | hi. I am installing debian 8.1 on VMWare, but right before ¨Select and Install Software¨ is done, i get this error mesage: http://i.imgur.com/5MisBPM.png (it says an installation step failed blah blah), and if i press enter, i either have to select and install again or go install GRUB. |
| 07:46.44 | beepie | caraconan, you're new to linux, because everyone knows that adobe stopped npapi flash back couple years ago and only supplies security updates |
| 07:46.48 | beepie | caraconan, (to npapi flash) |
| 07:46.52 | dooooooood | heh, win7 |
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| 07:47.01 | beepie | caraconan, problem is ppapi is not an interface available on mozilla |
| 07:47.52 | beepie | caraconan, gnash also to my experience was always problematic, youtube would update or some other site would change a bit with its flash control and gnash would break to play anything, it would stall, stutter.. |
| 07:47.56 | beepie | caraconan, lo |
| 07:48.33 | beepie | x86_64, !x86 |
| 07:48.56 | beepie | x86_64, did you make a partition or ... |
| 07:49.04 | beepie | x86_64, did you even make a partition table? XD |
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| 07:50.15 | beepie | caraconan, btw gnash is not "adobe" 's flash |
| 07:50.21 | beepie | caraconan, in case you didn't know.. |
| 07:50.38 | beepie | caraconan, it's a reverse-engineered oss implementation of adobe's flash player |
| 07:51.20 | caraconan | beepie: many thanks for you suggestion, I think I will move to chromium |
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| 07:51.54 | beepie | caraconan, yes, but here with firefox it plays me html5 videos |
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| 07:52.09 | beepie | caraconan, though i need to use chrome/chromium because of flash sites |
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| 07:52.40 | beepie | caraconan, you can try to install adobe's flash |
| 07:52.48 | beepie | caraconan, before ditching your favored browser |
| 07:52.49 | caraconan | beepie: my use case is to use a browser that is able to reproduce flash elements in a website. Youtube is just an example |
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| 07:53.20 | beepie | caraconan, caveat of course you're stuck with 11.2+security updates only , as opposed to chrome/chromium it's at least 11.8 atm |
| 07:53.36 | caraconan | beepie: I can use Adobe flash, but I really don't want to accept a security warning, it's kind of contradiction, I want a long term solution |
| 07:53.49 | beepie | caraconan, so depends on what you really need to work with for your browser, some people refuse to switch due to them being used to their firefox plugins.. so it's understandable from this point of view |
| 07:54.23 | beepie | caraconan, (meant Adobe "updates" security to 11.2, it.. adobe does not add new "features" -- Google has a deal to maintain ppapi flash but adds new features to it's own flash) |
| 07:55.04 | beepie | caraconan, i hate to force people to switch browsers |
| 07:55.31 | beepie | caraconan, it's not my um liking to say here take "chrome" -- go with this proprietary offering instead.. so you stick with oss as much as possible |
| 07:55.36 | beepie | caraconan, tehehe |
| 07:55.38 | caraconan | beepie: it's fine, I can keep both of them, this is what makes GNU/Linux great |
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| 07:55.49 | beepie | yep |
| 07:55.52 | beepie | :))) |
| 07:56.07 | beepie | caraconan, i'd get my ass whooped if i said flash+linux on #linux |
| 07:56.23 | zxd | chrome dropped support for java? |
| 07:56.40 | beepie | caraconan, chromium is avail as a package, and you can use the fash-ppapi installer, but i think it extracts it from a chromebrowser package |
| 07:57.49 | beepie | caraconan, setting up ppapi-flash with chromium is a bit tricky .. not sure if this improved the last time i set this up (had to edit /etc/default/chromium with some ppapi edition FLAG=<>) |
| 07:58.13 | beepie | caraconan, google has been releasing some of the closed parts open which is good (like the pdf capability part which was previously closed) |
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| 07:58.33 | beepie | caraconan, though i think they may never release ppapi-flash open of course, because they would need permission from adobe |
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| 07:58.57 | beepie | caraconan, you see how it connects.. |
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| 07:59.35 | beepie | caraconan, if you disable the "gnash plugin" don't you see html5 videos? |
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| 08:00.11 | caraconan | beepie: let me try to complete remove the .so of gnash and adobe from firefox plugins |
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| 08:04.23 | caraconan | beepie: if I remove any flash plugin yes, youtube uses HTML5, the problem comes now with our free radio, contrabandafm, which (shame on us) still comes with a flash player |
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| 08:05.38 | caraconan | beepie: no, even the player has its HTML5 version, so I'm free from Adobe now! |
| 08:06.19 | beepie | caraconan, kewl |
| 08:06.21 | beepie | caraconan, lol |
| 08:06.49 | beepie | caraconan, but... there are "some" sites that use it no matter what. so nanana |
| 08:06.53 | rselon | Is it recommended, OK to put /tmp in a ramdisk? |
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| 08:07.15 | beepie | caraconan, eventually even these sites as well will exterminate the rotten plugin.. it's plagued with security issues for far too long |
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| 08:07.32 | beepie | rselon, i use /dev/shm for my browser cache .. |
| 08:07.50 | beepie | rselon, that i suppose would be hte more practical approach for minimizing disk-writes |
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| 08:08.11 | beepie | uses exec -a "$0" "$HERE/chrome" "$PROFILE_DIRECTORY_FLAG" " --disk-cache-dir=/dev/shm/$USER/chrome-cache " " --disk-cache-size=104857600 " "$@" |
| 08:08.17 | beepie | haha |
| 08:08.38 | beepie | is a geek |
| 08:08.57 | rselon | beepie: im talking about the system wide /tmp not the chrome cache |
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| 08:09.39 | beepie | rselon, won't be much benefit, you don't get that much writing at least by what i see on the system here |
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| 08:10.01 | beepie | rselon, you can, but if you run out of room.. |
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| 08:10.36 | beepie | rselon, and if there needs to be a permanent marker for the X11 server it may not restart properly i forget which file that was |
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| 08:11.33 | beepie | rselon, i did this long long time ago.. not sure if there are these problems |
| 08:11.53 | beepie | rselon, way back ... |
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| 08:13.11 | beepie | rselon, i believe it is the .X11-unix entry you might get problems with |
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| 08:14.55 | beepie | rselon, I'd say 99% of the random temporary writes you get anyways is with your web browser.. |
| 08:15.28 | beepie | rselon, /dev/shm seems now to be standard in linux, you can just point your cache to /dev/shm/username/browsercache to get better effect |
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| 08:15.53 | rselon | beepie: yeah propably and according to find /tmp -exec ls -alh {} |
| 08:15.58 | rselon | \; | column |
| 08:16.02 | beepie | rselon, (limit your cache though.. I here limit it to 200MB to be safe) |
| 08:16.06 | rselon | tmp is not that bih |
| 08:16.08 | rselon | big* |
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| 08:22.49 | beepie | cant draw with inkscape |
| 08:23.00 | beepie | dam puppy is looking like a poop-block |
| 08:23.03 | beepie | jc |
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| 08:26.52 | oskie | mc |
| 08:26.54 | oskie | oops |
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| 08:30.44 | clasico | in debian lxde after hcitool scan what netx for connect with the bluetooth device ? |
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| 08:34.40 | x86_64 | beepie, yes |
| 08:34.52 | x86_64 | beepie, i have made partition table |
| 08:34.59 | beepie | x86_64, see told you |
| 08:35.07 | x86_64 | what? |
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| 08:35.37 | beepie | x86_64, you using testing or stable? |
| 08:35.43 | x86_64 | stable |
| 08:35.50 | beepie | x86_64, if you downloaded from the "daily-builds" that would be testing |
| 08:36.02 | x86_64 | nope, didnt do that |
| 08:36.27 | beepie | x86_64, also if you chose a small disk for your virtualbox.. |
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| 08:36.39 | x86_64 | 20GB |
| 08:36.43 | beepie | x86_64, should be at least few gig, .. the default 8gig is good enough |
| 08:36.51 | x86_64 | it was 20 Gigs |
| 08:37.00 | beepie | x86_64, you can check this too to be sure (and that it nos 20 MB) |
| 08:37.10 | x86_64 | checked |
| 08:37.39 | beepie | you want to choose /dev/sda in the vm for grub's stage1 |
| 08:37.54 | beepie | the default would point to it, .. |
| 08:38.22 | x86_64 | hmmm??? |
| 08:38.24 | beepie | x86_64, you running the 'expert' install mode ? |
| 08:38.39 | x86_64 | no... when i boot, i just press enter |
| 08:38.47 | x86_64 | that first option |
| 08:38.54 | beepie | x86_64, ah, but you do know you get the "graphical" installer, |
| 08:39.09 | x86_64 | no |
| 08:39.13 | x86_64 | i use the text installer |
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| 08:39.48 | beepie | x86_64, not sure exactly, you may want to make sure you have enough ram set, PAE enabled, and a virtualization set as well |
| 08:40.01 | beepie | x86_64, (acceleration should be enabled) |
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| 08:40.14 | beepie | x86_64, some rare distro installers are picky on this, i dont think debian is one of them |
| 08:40.19 | beepie | (eg mint) |
| 08:40.36 | x86_64 | ok, i have 512 MB of ram |
| 08:40.48 | x86_64 | PAE, and virtualisation? not sure what that is |
| 08:41.16 | beepie | would be in the vm settings |
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| 08:41.22 | beepie | (vbox)-- as for vmware i'm not sure |
| 08:41.34 | beepie | maybe there's something like it in vmware-- been ages since i used it |
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| 08:41.57 | beepie | oh yeah, there's "Linux" options with vmware? maybe choose "Linux other" |
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| 08:42.40 | clasico | some one use lxde debian ? |
| 08:42.49 | clasico | i looking for bluetooth |
| 08:43.05 | beepie | lxde == loser x11 desktop |
| 08:43.08 | beepie | haha |
| 08:43.14 | beepie | clasico, i did at one point |
| 08:43.16 | clasico | bluez-simple-agent command no found |
| 08:43.23 | FemaleAnon | if you want to switch browsers, I suggest links 2 |
| 08:43.38 | FemaleAnon | if you want to switch browsers, I suggest links 2 |
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| 08:44.08 | Fjorgynn | Best browser is Firefox |
| 08:44.17 | FemaleAnon | Fjorgynn, i use palemoon |
| 08:44.19 | Fjorgynn | with noscript and https everywhere |
| 08:44.53 | x86_64 | beepie, there is but i chose debian 7.x 64-bit ... they did not have debian 8.x 64-bit |
| 08:44.54 | rabbitear | I use noscript and https everywhere sometimes |
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| 08:45.16 | beepie | x86_64, likely that shouldn't cause problems |
| 08:45.25 | x86_64 | hmmm |
| 08:45.29 | FemaleAnon | Fjorgynn, I don't usually bother with noscript anymore... I do use it, along with request policy and others, but I chroot and highly restrict my browser instead |
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| 08:45.55 | beepie | x86_64, can you see more verbose in ctl-alt-fN ? |
| 08:46.13 | beepie | x86_64, and are you trying to use gpt or mbr? |
| 08:46.21 | x86_64 | mbr |
| 08:46.38 | Fjorgynn | FemaleAnon: I am using Windows |
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| 08:46.45 | beepie | x86_64, i have multiple debian 8 installs here on vbox no issue |
| 08:46.47 | x86_64 | has re-installed debian more than 10 times already today |
| 08:46.52 | beepie | x86_64, done netinst, you name it |
| 08:46.59 | beepie | x86_64, expert, full, normal, graphical.. |
| 08:47.33 | beepie | x86_64, only times it choked was with testing, or having improper disk settings or wrong location for grub when i'm using multiple disks |
| 08:47.49 | FemaleAnon | Fjorgynn, i stopped using windows the last time i had a hard drive failure that messed up my whole boot process with corruption. i decided it was time. now i replaced my cd drive with another hard drive and i run raid 1 lol. |
| 08:47.53 | beepie | x86_64, tehe one point i accidentally had 8megs instead of 8gigs |
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| 08:48.19 | beepie | x86_64, review over what you did step-by-step likely you did something weird with the partitioning |
| 08:48.27 | x86_64 | i have done |
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| 08:48.38 | beepie | x86_64, ensure you have the proper mountpoints, if you're using more than "/" |
| 08:49.01 | beepie | x86_64, what filesystem did you choose? |
| 08:49.13 | beepie | x86_64, and did you format it with the installer? |
| 08:49.26 | x86_64 | yes |
| 08:49.28 | x86_64 | formatted |
| 08:49.32 | beepie | x86_64, to.. |
| 08:49.36 | x86_64 | ext4, guided partitioning |
| 08:49.39 | x86_64 | no LVM |
| 08:49.58 | beepie | x86_64, is the disk possibly mounted elsewhere? |
| 08:49.59 | x86_64 | http://i.imgur.com/vUiph2O.png |
| 08:50.11 | beepie | x86_64, (outside vmware, but via some driver on the windows platform?) |
| 08:50.26 | x86_64 | you mean the virtual disk? |
| 08:50.38 | x86_64 | not that i know of |
| 08:51.42 | beepie | x86_64, oh that popup with vmware guest tools, while installing choose "never remind me" |
| 08:51.52 | beepie | x86_64, that may popup out your debian iso |
| 08:52.01 | x86_64 | ok |
| 08:52.02 | beepie | x86_64, it's a nuissance.. |
| 08:52.20 | beepie | x86_64, or check that option to disable any auto-enable of guest tools |
| 08:52.31 | x86_64 | kk |
| 08:53.18 | beepie | x86_64, you should be able to visualize what is currently set as the iso in case that stupid auto-guest tools switcheroo is doing something |
| 08:53.54 | x86_64 | lol |
| 08:53.54 | x86_64 | ok |
| 08:54.10 | x86_64 | yeah, one momemnt im installing it and ishall get the error mesg for ya |
| 08:54.33 | x86_64 | god, been typing commands.... hands are so weak |
| 08:54.39 | beepie | x86_64, you can also easily record the vmware screen like vbox |
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| 08:54.59 | beepie | yeah you can break the installer if you intervene on its other consoles just to let you know |
| 08:55.14 | x86_64 | ok |
| 08:55.16 | beepie | i'm very good at doing that XD |
| 08:55.41 | beepie | there's debugging procedures to resume things, but i'm not at that familiarity with it |
| 08:56.11 | beepie | dh___ |
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| 08:57.04 | beepie | df -h /dev/sda1 show something adequate in case your still on the same setup |
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| 09:09.53 | x86_64 | beepie, which gives better virtualisation in your opinion: vbox or vmware? |
| 09:10.12 | x86_64 | i feel vbox gives better virtualisation and vmware just costs a lot more |
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| 09:10.46 | beepie | x86_64, cant tell.. btw vmware player is free |
| 09:10.56 | beepie | x86_64, vbox used to be more problematic back couple years ago |
| 09:11.13 | beepie | x86_64, but it has become very rock stable for me.. though i don't use it on windows |
| 09:11.23 | x86_64 | got plenty of time to talk btw... debians still installing |
| 09:11.25 | beepie | x86_64, here i use linux vbox on linux |
| 09:11.49 | beepie | x86_64, you just need a good machine that has the processors support for Vtd |
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| 09:12.02 | beepie | x86_64, your processor should be supporting "virtualization" (not all processors have this feature) |
| 09:12.13 | beepie | x86_64, in order to get the most out of vbox or vmware |
| 09:12.22 | beepie | x86_64, if you don't have this then virtualization will be shit for either |
| 09:12.41 | x86_64 | core i5, man |
| 09:12.44 | x86_64 | intel |
| 09:12.52 | beepie | x86_64, i5 what exact model of i5? |
| 09:13.07 | beepie | x86_64, hwinfo or dmidecode shoult say or even cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 09:13.24 | x86_64 | uh... |
| 09:13.32 | x86_64 | you forgot my host OS is windows 7? |
| 09:13.33 | beepie | ( http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor-supports-vt/ ) |
| 09:13.52 | x86_64 | ok, ill download that util for win7 |
| 09:13.54 | beepie | even with win7 you should be able to see what processor brand it is (msconfig32) |
| 09:14.08 | Iiiak | x86_64 â Normally, is indicate in your computer properties |
| 09:14.27 | Iiiak | Right clic on computer > properties ;) |
| 09:14.31 | beepie | or maybe "systeminfo<>" |
| 09:14.45 | beepie | i forget which command does it, it'll show a report of the hardware |
| 09:15.02 | beepie | (for your win7 machine) |
| 09:15.19 | x86_64 | i5-2450M |
| 09:15.28 | beepie | M implies laptop |
| 09:15.47 | x86_64 | spot on |
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| 09:16.04 | beepie | x86_64, http://ark.intel.com/products/53452/Intel-Core-i5-2450M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz |
| 09:16.20 | beepie | x86_64, says yes for Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) |
| 09:16.26 | beepie | x86_64, so that should be good enough |
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| 09:16.50 | x86_64 | good |
| 09:17.00 | beepie | x86_64, but ensure that if there's a toggle option for it with vmware, that vmware does have it enabled |
| 09:17.11 | x86_64 | wait a second... |
| 09:17.34 | x86_64 | prepare to smile |
| 09:17.38 | beepie | usually the disks in laptops are cheap 5400rpm |
| 09:17.41 | Iiiak | So, is possible that VT-x is disabled in BIOS too, you could be see that ;) |
| 09:17.48 | beepie | yeah that too possibly |
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| 09:17.59 | beepie | thats why i ask him to check if it's available with vmware |
| 09:18.02 | x86_64 | beepie, the installation worked this time, no errors, just went straight to GRUB install no problem. |
| 09:18.07 | x86_64 | great |
| 09:18.12 | x86_64 | i dont know what happen |
| 09:18.12 | beepie | vmware should somewhere telling you it is using this feature |
| 09:19.05 | x86_64 | thanks guys |
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| 09:19.14 | beepie | x86_64, i came on this error long ago where selecting a certain class packages or deselecting some can render to an incomplete installation |
| 09:19.32 | beepie | x86_64, you have to be careful with the tasksel group package sections |
| 09:19.42 | beepie | x86_64, that may knock off grub i suppose |
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| 09:20.25 | darxmurf | is there a way to allow flash all the time in iceweasel ? |
| 09:20.26 | beepie | x86_64, you may have accidentaly deselected a needed package, and the installer tried to run grub-install |
| 09:20.40 | x86_64 | could be |
| 09:20.51 | darxmurf | half of videos are replaced by a black square now :-/ |
| 09:20.56 | x86_64 | human error |
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| 09:22.02 | beepie | x86_64, btw when you show off to people you can install debian, do me a favor, show the "graphical" install, it makes debian look a lot more sexier |
| 09:22.08 | beepie | x86_64, than "text" :p |
| 09:22.09 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Either iceweasel deactivated it because it's vulnerable (then you need to update), or you've got a plugin installed that does that. |
| 09:22.32 | x86_64 | lol ok beepie |
| 09:22.37 | beepie | x86_64, you get the same prompt screens as text... |
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| 09:22.45 | beepie | x86_64, though the rescue mode is not available graphically |
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| 09:23.41 | beepie | gtg |
| 09:23.42 | beepie | gn |
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| 09:26.26 | Vladimirski | How Can I see my servers email adress? |
| 09:27.10 | Vladimirski | There is an outside part which sends files to an email adress and the files are received by my server but I don't know which email adress they are sending to |
| 09:28.51 | Iiiak | Vladimirski â You've not any trace in the log of your mail server ? |
| 09:29.10 | Vladimirski | I don't have the access to the mail server unfortunately |
| 09:29.13 | dooooooood | anyone knows a nice-looking alternative to synaptic ? |
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| 09:29.42 | Iiiak | It's your mail server and you've not access ? |
| 09:30.03 | x86_64 | dooooooood, wats wrong with windows 7 anyway? |
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| 09:30.13 | Iiiak | So, ask to the person who have send the mail (if you know he) |
| 09:30.17 | dooooooood | x86_64, sorry what? |
| 09:30.53 | x86_64 | dooooooood, my vmware issue i **had** before |
| 09:31.54 | dooooooood | x86_64, meh nothing, just remembered my win7 old days |
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| 09:34.13 | dooooooood | why doesn't Apper ask for authentication? i just installed it, but it starts without asking for root infos, and once i select a package, it notifies me that the authentication is failed |
| 09:34.56 | dooooooood | that https://i.imgur.com/tadeq0m.png |
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| 09:39.43 | darxmurf | petn-randall: it's alread up to date |
| 09:39.50 | darxmurf | for example on youtube it works well |
| 09:40.02 | darxmurf | I don't understand why it blocks all the others |
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| 09:51.28 | darxmurf | okay |
| 09:51.38 | darxmurf | réinstalled the plugin and it works now 0o |
| 09:51.40 | darxmurf | weird |
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| 10:14.00 | choice | On one of my debian machines, apache seems to be not running anymore. not even after a restart. /var/log/apache2/errors.log has 0 byte. any idea where too look for the cause? |
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| 10:14.45 | fUNKIAM` | ccc |
| 10:14.51 | fUNKIAM` | ./var/log/message |
| 10:14.56 | fUNKIAM` | ? |
| 10:15.11 | choice | no such file |
| 10:15.32 | choice | when doing "service apache2 restart" it tells me a .conf file is missing. interesting. |
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| 10:16.17 | choice | it's the config file for a domain that indeed has been deleted. |
| 10:16.40 | fUNKIAM` | sorry *messages* |
| 10:17.03 | choice | also no "messages" file |
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| 10:17.40 | epsilon | usualy apache is using "Include sites-enabled/" in apache.conf |
| 10:17.51 | fUNKIAM` | .cd /var/log & ls-als |
| 10:17.54 | choice | yes |
| 10:17.54 | epsilon | not pointing specific vhost conf file |
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| 10:18.37 | epsilon | run config checker of apache, should tell you what he doesnt like |
| 10:19.02 | choice | yes, i think i found it |
| 10:19.08 | koz_ | When I bring my laptop off suspend, I briefly see a TTY with errors in it before the DE kicks in. It has some error messages I don't have time to read. How do I get access to them so I can read them? |
| 10:19.10 | fUNKIAM` | you can fix it with *a2ensite* |
| 10:19.25 | choice | the config direcroty still has a symlink to the nonexisting host config file. |
| 10:19.49 | fUNKIAM` | delete old symlinks and recreat with *a2ensite* |
| 10:19.53 | fUNKIAM` | and thats it |
| 10:19.58 | choice | a2ensite? |
| 10:20.05 | fUNKIAM` | y |
| 10:20.09 | choice | i think all i need to do is delete the symnlinks. |
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| 10:20.19 | fUNKIAM` | *a2ensite sitename |
| 10:20.25 | choice | why would i do that? |
| 10:20.33 | epsilon | a2en|dissite is a small tool to create/delet that symlink |
| 10:20.46 | choice | "rm" deletes files just fine. |
| 10:20.50 | epsilon | same |
| 10:21.05 | fUNKIAM` | choice, looks you know everything what you need to do |
| 10:21.07 | fUNKIAM` | ;) |
| 10:21.17 | choice | yup. machine works fine again. |
| 10:21.18 | fUNKIAM` | do it;) |
| 10:21.36 | choice | its tough when you have an error that only arises after a reboot |
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| 10:21.38 | epsilon | same as a2enmod/a2dismod to symlink modules |
| 10:21.57 | koz_ | When I bring my laptop off suspend, I briefly see a TTY with errors in it before the DE kicks in. It has some error messages I don't have time to read. How do I get access to them so I can read them? |
| 10:22.08 | fUNKIAM` | anyone tried tox.chat |
| 10:22.16 | fUNKIAM` | anyone tried tox.chat on debian? |
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| 10:42.54 | talby | Hello, newbie to Linux/Debian/Gnome here. After having installed via tasksel the gnome-desktop, I would like to remove some applications. Calling "aptitude remove NAME" I am informed that due to dependencies the package "gnome" would also be removed. How could I remove just the unwanted gnome application package NAME without loosing all my gnome installation? Example: how to only remove "evolution"? |
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| 10:46.24 | nkuttler | !install gnome |
| 10:46.25 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 10:46.42 | nkuttler | talby: install one of the other meta packages i guess, then try to remove evolution again |
| 10:46.57 | fUNKIAM` | dpkg, https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-packagekit/stable/add-remove.html.en |
| 10:46.58 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, fUNKIAM` |
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| 10:47.38 | nkuttler | fUNKIAM`: does that use apt? |
| 10:48.02 | fUNKIAM` | yes its just gui |
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| 10:48.09 | nkuttler | nice |
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| 10:48.18 | fUNKIAM` | but you can use apt-get as well |
| 10:48.37 | fUNKIAM` | if you feel more confident :) |
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| 10:52.52 | hargut | Hello |
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| 10:53.52 | talby | It should as well exist a corresponding aptitude (or apt-get) command, then. Or? |
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| 10:56.17 | Gryf | Can someone tell me what X11 is doing in MPD dependency ? http://paste.debian.net/286902/ |
| 10:56.33 | Gryf | it's a jessie installation |
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| 10:58.50 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:01.57 | youngwolf | hey! Anyone here use wayland? |
| 11:02.07 | youngwolf | is it better than x11 performance wise? |
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| 11:02.20 | OblivionStone | Hi |
| 11:02.56 | miandonmenmian__ | i want to build a little script that listen to linux events, what should i look for on events or notifications from the kernel ? |
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| 11:03.06 | OblivionStone | I'm having a strange issue with PulseAudio. I recently switched from GNOME 3 to i3 wm, and since then, whenever a Youtube video finishes, my sound changes to cracking and popping until I unplug the soundcard (it's a generic USB soundcard) and plug it back in. Any ideas? |
| 11:03.16 | OblivionStone | Prior to moving from GNOME 3, this worked 100% normally. |
| 11:03.31 | youngwolf | use alsa |
| 11:03.52 | OblivionStone | youngwolf: Actually that was my next step, was just wondering if anyone knew how to make pulse work |
| 11:04.05 | OblivionStone | Since I use Skype and Skype/ALSA is pain |
| 11:04.57 | youngwolf | OblivionStone: Yeah alsa is a real pain in the backside with skype |
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| 11:06.02 | OblivionStone | It's showing up as USB2.0 High-Speed True HD Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958) |
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| 11:06.35 | OblivionStone | (Audio really isn't my strong point :P) |
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| 11:14.41 | fender0107401 | I try to edit crontable with crontable -e and I select nano, now I want to use vim, so how to? |
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| 11:16.38 | bobe | fender0107401, export EDITOR=vim |
| 11:17.17 | OblivionStone | EDITOR=vim crontab -e |
| 11:17.19 | OblivionStone | Should work |
| 11:17.56 | hargut | update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 11:19.16 | fender0107401 | I added export EDITOR="vim" to my .bashrc, and it works. |
| 11:19.20 | fender0107401 | :) |
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| 11:19.34 | talby | fUNKIAM`, I think I found the software, it is on my system under applications --> System Tools and called Packages. But it does not show the top menu "System, Filters, Selection, Help" as shown in the manual page you referred me to. What might be missing in my Jessie/Gnome installation? |
| 11:19.35 | koz_ | Is it possible to set up Debian to not use PulseAudio (i.e. be pure ALSA)? |
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| 11:20.18 | fUNKIAM` | talby, i dont use Linux with Gui |
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| 11:21.57 | hargut | koz_: Sure. apt-get remove pulseaudio |
| 11:22.13 | Iridos | talby, might be different versions |
| 11:22.41 | hargut | koz_: IMO pure alsa is sufficient for most of the audio tasks. |
| 11:22.53 | koz_ | hargut: Seems like that takes Gnome with it... :( |
| 11:23.28 | hargut | koz_: Running KDE over here, so I've no idea how the dependencies of Gnome are with PA. |
| 11:23.36 | koz_ | hargut: Bad, seemingly. |
| 11:23.41 | talby | fUNKIAM`, would you know the corresponding apt-get command to remove a package without automatically also removing all the metapackage it became installed with? Then I wouldn't need to use the GUI. I actually would prefer the command line, too. |
| 11:23.47 | hargut | koz_: pasuspender will suspend the pulseaudio server. |
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| 11:24.19 | koz_ | hargut: Nah, it's OK. I'll try installing KDE instead. |
| 11:24.35 | koz_ | I've never used it, but it might work. |
| 11:24.39 | Iridos | talby, the "gnome" metapackage is a package that contains everything ... when you remove one of the packages it contains, you remove all packages that it depends on together with the metapackage |
| 11:24.49 | Iridos | talby, what package did you want to remove? |
| 11:24.57 | hargut | koz_: autospawn = no > $HOME/.config/pulse/client.conf |
| 11:25.09 | hargut | koz_: pulseaudio --kill |
| 11:25.38 | hargut | koz_: if you want to do that system-wide check /etc/pulse/client.conf |
| 11:26.19 | fUNKIAM` | talby, you can use apt-get remove and then autoremove |
| 11:26.32 | koz_ | hargut: Gonna try and set up KDE. Will you be around for the next little while in case I have questions? |
| 11:26.59 | talby | Iridos, for instance "evolution" and "iceweasel" (will have to work with Firefox and Thunderbird, to stay equal (in version and plugins) with what I have to use elswhere), and afterwards all those games which became installed. |
| 11:27.05 | fUNKIAM` | its will delete dependency if only its not used by other apps |
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| 11:27.25 | hargut | koz_: Let's see. Could be. |
| 11:27.39 | koz_ | hargut: OK, thanks. |
| 11:28.15 | fUNKIAM` | talby, try to google ap-get explained |
| 11:28.17 | fUNKIAM` | ;) |
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| 11:29.37 | koz_ | hargut: Thanks. I'm new to KDE, so I might need help setting it all up. It's a computer for my brother. |
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| 11:30.28 | hargut | koz_: Be aware that plasma/kde5 has no proper icon dock so far. |
| 11:31.02 | koz_ | hargut: That's totally fine by me. |
| 11:31.19 | koz_ | If I can get this thing working under it, I'll be happy. |
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| 11:32.46 | hargut | koz_: apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop sddm kde-config-sddm sddm-theme-breeze |
| 11:32.57 | hargut | koz_: except you're on a debian stable. |
| 11:33.11 | hargut | On jessi I think only kde4 is available. |
| 11:33.28 | koz_ | hargut: I'm gonna use testing at least. |
| 11:34.25 | StarRain | ok, the trouble is the gcc on my distribution i thionk, so i need to know if i can install gcc 4.0 or something like that to test the build again. |
| 11:34.35 | StarRain | and how to install it |
| 11:34.57 | hargut | koz_: I guess testing & stable have kde4, which is nice as well. I used it for years, and switched now with unstable to kde5. |
| 11:35.07 | koz_ | I might try unstable. |
| 11:35.13 | hargut | apt-cache policy kde-plasma-desktop kdm |
| 11:35.17 | hargut | for testing. |
| 11:35.17 | koz_ | In fact, I likely will. |
| 11:35.50 | talby | fUNKIAM`, Yes, of course. I am also reading in parallel on how to make a really minimal Gnome-Shell functionality providing installation, and then to just add the 5 or 6 applications which I interactively need. I am just afraid, that afterwards something in the notification system, or power management of the laptop or Gnome extensions in use, or alike will be missing. Just know that I do not need any "transmission", "polari" "empathy", |
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| 11:35.55 | hargut | koz_: Don't use unstable, if you are not able to handle a debian in detail. Right now jessie was just released, and unstable is filled with so many new things, which break here and there. |
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| 11:36.14 | koz_ | hargut: OK, I'll stick with testing then. |
| 11:36.26 | koz_ | My main concern is getting sound to work without PA. |
| 11:36.52 | hargut | koz_: It seems you're not the most experienced user, and therefore keep your fingers from unstable. Testing is as well right now in a phase where a lot of new things come in. The best solution would be stable, which is fresh, as it was just released. |
| 11:37.22 | hargut | koz_: Then just set pa to autospawn = no, and you're done. |
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| 11:37.46 | koz_ | hargut: OK. |
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| 11:38.26 | hargut | koz_: maybe you need to install gstreamer0.10-alsa and / or gstreamer1.0-alsa to have a backend which can play directly to alsa. I guess gstreamer is used within gnome. |
| 11:38.56 | hargut | koz_: Anyway's what's your problem with pulseaudio? |
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| 11:40.23 | koz_ | Basically, thanks to an AMD microcode issue, it seems to kill my sound post-suspend. I'm gonna check if not using PA will have any effect. |
| 11:40.33 | BluesKaj | koz_, have you run without pulse successfully in the past? |
| 11:40.50 | koz_ | BluesKaj: Yes, just not on Debian. I'm mostly an Arch user, but giving an Arch to my brother seems mean. |
| 11:41.40 | BluesKaj | koz_, which audio , intel-hda? |
| 11:41.43 | hargut | koz_: Depends if it's a driver issue, or a pulseaudio issue. |
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| 11:42.37 | koz_ | BluesKaj: On this machine or mine? hargut: I'm not sure. I'm already mostly into a KDE install, so I might as well let it run and see what happens. |
| 11:42.44 | koz_ | Since I have you guys here watching out for me this time. |
| 11:44.11 | BluesKaj | koz_, on the machine that you don't want pulse |
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| 11:44.21 | koz_ | No, I haven't tried it yet. |
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| 11:44.34 | koz_ | Why, could it cause problems? |
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| 11:44.50 | StarRain | /j |
| 11:44.55 | StarRain | oups sorry |
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| 11:45.56 | BluesKaj | koz_, inyrl-hda is the only audio chip that I'm aware of that can run straight thru with alsa without the pulseaudio soundserver |
| 11:46.06 | BluesKaj | err intel-hda |
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| 11:46.11 | hargut | koz_: With most of the alsa drivers, the default config has dmix enabled, so I guess it should be fine. |
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| 11:46.45 | koz_ | Well, let's try. I got nothing to lose anyway... |
| 11:46.57 | koz_ | Because if *this* fails to work, then I give up. Plus, it's close to midnight here... |
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| 11:56.03 | Iridos | talby, you can see what the packages depend on... e.g. aptitude why evolution |
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| 11:56.21 | Iridos | talby, but seriously... are the disks on that machine so small that removing that stuff will make any appreciable difference? |
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| 11:59.47 | Iridos | talby, I mean... evolution uses 6MB , iceweasel is 80 MB ... there's probably some libraries that can go as well... but even the time spent discussing it here seems worth more than the cent worth of storage you may free |
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| 12:04.13 | x86_64 | hey |
| 12:04.29 | x86_64 | im getting asked for the kernel header: http://i.imgur.com/Q9Iito6.png |
| 12:04.39 | x86_64 | might sound like a stupid question: where is it? |
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| 12:05.21 | hargut | x86_64: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 12:05.37 | x86_64 | huh |
| 12:05.49 | x86_64 | i thought it was in the system |
| 12:06.00 | x86_64 | so i must install it? |
| 12:06.02 | hargut | x86_64: uname -a or dpkg -l | grep linux-iamge |
| 12:06.07 | hargut | s/iamge/image |
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| 12:06.48 | hargut | x86_64: No idea what you're planning to do, but if you need kernel headers you have to install the version suitable for your running kernel. |
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| 12:07.06 | x86_64 | hargut, installing vmware tools |
| 12:07.09 | hargut | x86_64: Kernel headers are not part of a standard installation, since they're only required if you try to build eg. kernel modules. |
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| 12:07.35 | talby | Iridos, well, I am not sure how much space I can actually free, but I do disk images as a backup frequently and therefore like to care (once used the "proper" Gnome Gui tool with the idea to change something on the sizes of sda7 and sda8, and lost all my sda5 settings). Won't use any of those Gui progrmas no more. Will stick to the good old console. Also, using Gnome, there upon certain actions many times pop up some default programs, w |
| 12:07.35 | talby | hich are not the ones I want to use. And configuring Gnome is - lets say - DIFFICULT. So, getting rid of all that stuff might be my solution. Actually, was already very close to just continue with my nicely working WinXP, but without any security updates it is really time to change to some other OS on this old Laptop. Also thinking about KDE. I like the simple to handle Gnome, but coniguration of it... I might have to change to somethin |
| 12:07.36 | talby | g else, maybe. |
| 12:07.36 | x86_64 | ok doke! |
| 12:07.45 | x86_64 | talby, woah! |
| 12:07.52 | x86_64 | thats a lot of information. |
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| 12:07.56 | hargut | x86_64: If vmware tools have kernel modules and need to build them, then you need kernel headers for the appropriate includes in the vmware tools code. |
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| 12:08.23 | x86_64 | ok |
| 12:09.03 | x86_64 | ive never done this stuff before |
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| 12:09.36 | hargut | x86_64: easy job, just check with uname -a which kernel version is actually running. Then apt-get install linux-headers-4.0.0-2-amd64 eg. |
| 12:09.50 | x86_64 | yes, i did that thanks! |
| 12:09.55 | hargut | x86_64: The version needs to fit the running kernel, that's all. |
| 12:10.04 | Iridos | talby, if it's an *old* laptop, maybe just using a windowmanager like openbox would be better (if you don't need any of the features of a desktop environment) |
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| 12:10.30 | x86_64 | another rather stupid question: where is it in? hargut |
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| 12:10.36 | x86_64 | i installed it done now |
| 12:11.18 | hargut | x86_64: Any reason why you don't use the packages open-vm-tools and so on? |
| 12:11.30 | x86_64 | i uh.... |
| 12:11.35 | x86_64 | i didnt know of such thing exist |
| 12:11.55 | x86_64 | and now, as long as i install this, i shall continue |
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| 12:12.19 | hargut | x86_64: I've no idea if there is really a difference to what you try to install now, but basically it is always a good idea to check the package list before. apt-cache search is a really good friend, as well packages.debian.org is very helpful. |
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| 12:13.48 | hargut | apt-get install $packagename is mostly easier than compiling it yourself, and even if you have to compile/install it yourself for some reason, the package tree and apt-get build-dep $packagename can save a lot of time. ;) |
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| 12:15.46 | Iridos | x86_64, the package open-vm-dkms probably just automates what you're doing right now... plus, after installing it, the files will be in the package database and can be removed in a proper way (other than the stuff you now install) |
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| 12:16.38 | x86_64 | should have known this ages ago |
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| 12:18.20 | hargut | x86_64: The first time is mostly not as successful as desired. ;) |
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| 12:21.58 | x86_64 | god damn vmware tools. i installed it and it doesnt do useful |
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| 12:22.16 | gardllok | stretch/sid here, is there like a bug with cifs mounting to a windows network share? I've been having problems seeing files that I know are there. Directories show fine. Googling has shown me others have problems too but not seeing any solutions. fstab: //192.168.1.50/media /mediac cifs username=xxx,password=xxx,nounix,rw,noserverino,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0 |
| 12:22.26 | gardllok | I've tried with and without noserverio |
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| 12:23.11 | hargut | gardllok: //10.0.0.100/Music /home/hargut/DATA-BOX/Music cifs rw,credentials=/etc/cifs.cred.hargut,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 <- this works over here |
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| 12:24.41 | gardllok | hmmm, I've too tried with uid=1000,gid=1000...I'll have to see about what users does and if it will help |
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| 12:25.46 | hargut | gardllok: Check the uid and gid of the user first. cat /etc/passwd | grep username |
| 12:26.36 | gardllok | yup 1000:1000 |
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| 12:28.45 | babilen | hargut: "getent passwd $USER" or "grep $USER /etc/passwd" is a more direct way btw |
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| 12:29.35 | hargut | babilen: I know, but only if it matters if you're running two or one proccess for the task. ;) |
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| 12:30.01 | hargut | babilen: I like cat | grep because its easier to modify the term you're looking for. |
| 12:30.03 | gardllok | What I also find strange is that Dolphin can see get to the share directory fine through Network --> Samba Shares |
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| 12:30.16 | gardllok | babilen: Ah the many ways to skin a cat ;) |
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| 12:32.25 | gardllok | What I meant btw about Dolphin is it can get to the share through that AND see all the files just fine...but I need that other mount to work |
| 12:32.55 | gardllok | Maybe I should also look into how Dolphin mounts it |
| 12:33.17 | hargut | gardllok: dolphin does not mount it it uses kio_smb. |
| 12:33.44 | hargut | gardllok: and for long time kio_smb had a bottleneck with too less cache for the connections, so it stalled at approx. 45mb/sec even if the network/nas could do more. |
| 12:33.56 | hargut | Not sure if this "bug" is still there. |
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| 12:34.21 | gardllok | It is slow, so maybe |
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| 12:36.19 | gardllok | Unfortunately adding 'users' to the fstab line didn't help... |
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| 12:37.48 | hargut | gardllok: then it only helps to check the file/directory permissions. |
| 12:38.10 | hargut | gardllok: mount | grep mediac |
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| 12:39.47 | hargut | gardllok: ls -lh /mediac |
| 12:40.49 | gardllok | oh didn't know I could check it that way |
| 12:40.57 | gardllok | mount | grep mediac: //192.168.1.50/media on /mediac type cifs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,vers=1.0,cache=strict,username=xxx,domain=xxx,uid=1000,forceuid,gid=1000,forcegid,addr=192.168.1.50,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,nounix,rsize=61440,wsize=65536,actimeo=1) |
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| 12:41.57 | gardllok | ls -lh /mediac/Staging/ : total 0 ( I know there's 3 directories in /mediac/Staging ) |
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| 12:42.35 | gardllok | Anything from the mount command look funny to you? |
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| 12:43.58 | koz_ | OK, it's not a PA issue. |
| 12:44.07 | koz_ | How could I check if it's a driver issue? |
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| 12:44.31 | DarsVaeda | any help with this? https://superuser.com/questions/945929/configure-gnome3-with-2-graphic-cards-and-3-monitors it seems everything is working well except that I can't use the third monitor |
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| 12:45.06 | DarsVaeda | I think it might be an issue with underlying drivers / setup |
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| 12:46.34 | mccar | Hi! I have a problem with asterisk |
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| 12:47.01 | mccar | I have error that PJPROJECT is not defined |
| 12:47.06 | talby | Iridos, what I really like about Gnome-Shell is the top bar, with all the possible adjustments by the extensions. I have EVERYTHING I need and want in that bar now, and let it autohide, or disappear/appear by pressing the menu button of my keyboard. And the default dark theme lets me work in the night while others close by still can sleep. So far Gnome is just excellent. Any further configuration almost impossible though, because too cr |
| 12:47.06 | talby | yptic. |
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| 12:48.08 | DelphiWorld | hi |
| 12:48.20 | DelphiWorld | where should i talk about deb wiki? to who? |
| 12:49.44 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 12:49.47 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: what about it? |
| 12:50.06 | talby | Iridos, Still have to fight with the underlying Debian: if "soundcore" becomes used, then the system does not even boot anymore. Dockingstation/Portreplicator seems to not be supported. Initial use of metapackages now lets me suffer to fine tune the installation. |
| 12:50.14 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: No need to msg me |
| 12:50.15 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: see pm, but reply here no problem... (^privacy^) :P |
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| 12:50.26 | abrotman | it's a freaking IP .. they're hardly private. |
| 12:50.34 | DelphiWorld | lol |
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| 12:51.06 | Iridos | talby, "soundcore"? |
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| 12:51.15 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: you'll have to contact the admins of the site .. try #debian-www on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:51.26 | DelphiWorld | ok |
| 12:51.58 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: or try their mailing list, though, you'll have to publish your supersecretIPaddress |
| 12:52.11 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: lol ok :p :p :p |
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| 12:52.38 | hargut | gardllok: gardllok: ls -lh /mediac |
| 12:53.06 | Thor | Hi, I'm building an init.d script to start up a program, the script: https://gist.github.com/thorerik/581da30a0e29ff5496e9 For some reaon when I try service node_exporter start, start-stop-daemon throws back "start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas" but when I test with the same variables in a terminal it works as expected, any clue what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 12:53.27 | hargut | gardllok: For me your issue looks like you have a wrong directory permission on /mediac |
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| 12:53.40 | koz_ | hargut: Is there a way for me to disable the touchscreen on this machine? |
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| 12:53.47 | koz_ | In KDE, I mean. |
| 12:53.56 | hargut | koz_: No idea, I have no laptops. |
| 12:54.07 | koz_ | hargut: Ohwell, thanks |
| 12:54.25 | hargut | koz_: But I guess its an Xorg input device which gives the signals to KDE. |
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| 12:54.42 | hargut | gardllok: mount /mediac |
| 12:54.50 | hargut | gardllok: ls -lh /mediac |
| 12:54.52 | gardllok | hargut: https://bpaste.net/show/084fb2ac17f8 |
| 12:54.54 | hargut | gardllok: umount /mediac |
| 12:55.01 | hargut | gardar: ls -lh /mediac |
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| 12:55.13 | hargut | Sorry gardllok was meant. |
| 12:55.36 | talby | Iridos, "snd_hda_intel" actually stops my system from booting, a module which becomes loaded to the kernel during the boot process. Found out, that I could let start "soundcore" in a bad manner. This does not affect the system but subsequently prevents that snd_hda_intel becomes loaded. I will come back here another day to care for it, not so important by now. |
| 12:55.51 | hargut | gardllok: sorry, that's not what's interesting. Kindly do ls -ldh /mediac, in mounted state & unmounted state |
| 12:56.30 | Iridos | talby, and well... the metapackages are there to make a pre-selection that make maybe 90% or so of users happy by providing most of the stuff they will want to use. obviously that contains packages for everyone that they don't want to use... on the other hand, hand-selecting a useful subset out of ~700 packages is obviously a pain... |
| 12:57.23 | Iridos | dpkg, tell talby about blacklist |
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| 12:57.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell talby about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 12:57.57 | gardllok | hargut: https://bpaste.net/show/430c1829a56e |
| 12:58.11 | Iridos | talby, you should have private messages about how to block modules ... you only need to do the initramfs stuff if the module is loaded that early in the boot process |
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| 12:58.38 | piiierrre | hi |
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| 12:58.59 | piiierrre | hi! i have a question while using g++, but I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask. I have a (closed source) library a.so, which contains a reference to lets say "AFUNC" (i check this by using "nm -Ca closedsourcelibrary.so" which gives "0000000000005200 T AFUNC"). I have another closed source library b.so that i'm trying to use to compile my source code.: g++ myownfile.o a.so b.so (myownfile.o is using functions from b.s |
| 12:59.00 | gardllok | I haven't noticed that before, when it's unmounted it belongs to root...does that matter? |
| 12:59.04 | piiierrre | however, i got as an error: b.so: "undefined reference to 'AFUNC'" does anyone know how where does it comes from please? |
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| 12:59.58 | hargut | gardllok: Looks like this is the crux. unmount /mediac & execute "chown anthony:anthony /mediac" |
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| 13:01.38 | talby | Iridos, yes, I agree about the advantage of metapackages, but figuring out how to configure in the gnome-shell how the "media player indicator" extension later on should use "clementine" and not "rythmbox" or some default video player, seems to be even more difficult than just removing rythmbox. Just an example. |
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| 13:02.10 | gardllok | hargut: dahm, I thought that would work but unfortunately no dice...results are the same |
| 13:03.09 | hargut | gardllok: mount with uid & gid instead of this file/dir mode. Permissions are anyways set on the server, even if you put 0777 on both, it will not matter. |
| 13:03.23 | talby | Iridos, thanks for the messages, yes, that is how I do it. I start soundcore from /bin/true and got rid of the problem. Will in a while coopy from a Debian-Gnome live CD, whih actually configures my soundcard correctly, copy all parameters and then search how to get them applied in my real Debian installation. |
| 13:03.32 | hargut | gardllok: Do you have access to the server configuration? |
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| 13:03.49 | gardllok | hargut: I do |
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| 13:05.05 | gardllok | hargut: I have set up the share to have it's own user (mediac) and I use the medaic user creds for the mount too |
| 13:05.13 | hargut | gardllok: Can you post your dmesg somewhere? And again the directory listings mounted, unmounted, with uid and gid only. Remove this dir & file mode. To see which permissions the server provides. |
| 13:05.41 | gardllok | hargut: yes, one moment please |
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| 13:06.15 | hargut | gardllok: directory listings from inside the mount as well. Especially the folders where you don't see the files would be interesting. |
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| 13:06.36 | hargut | gardllok: And the fstab line which you used to mount it. |
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| 13:11.59 | gardllok | hargut: Actually I just found my problem, it's on the servers end. When the new files/directories are being placed in say /mediac/Staging they are not given share permissions that I assumed is supposed to be inheritted. After manually granting share to them I can access them through my local /mediac/Stanging directory |
| 13:12.00 | DelphiWorld | thank abrotman |
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| 13:12.14 | gardllok | I'll have to get the windows side corrected |
| 13:12.29 | gardllok | hargut: However thank you very much for your time and help! |
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| 13:12.39 | DelphiWorld | what's the best way to automount usb drives |
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| 13:12.43 | gardllok | ...windows heh |
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| 13:13.33 | guestwhatever | Hello. I'm on debian 8.1 stable, and the system clock is 3 hours ahead of the hardware clock. When I set the time with date --set, the hardware clock is changed. I want to change the system clock without changing the hardware clock. How do I do that? |
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| 13:13.59 | hargut | DelphiWorld: "dmesg | grep sd" to locate your drive/partition and then mount /dev/sdxY /your/mount/point. ;) |
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| 13:14.26 | DelphiWorld | hargut: ;) |
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| 13:14.45 | hargut | guestwhatever: dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata |
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| 13:14.59 | guestwhatever | hargut, thanks |
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| 13:15.29 | hargut | DelphiWorld: It simply depens what you use and where you want to mount that usb drive. I guess gnome/kde/xfce and so on have proper tools at hand. |
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| 13:15.47 | DelphiWorld | hargut: no, this is a raspberry pi |
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| 13:16.03 | hargut | DelphiWorld: I didn't bother for years how to mount a usbstick, just plug it in & click and the according symbol. |
| 13:16.22 | hargut | DelphiWorld: on a raspberry pi, the method listed above is most likely not too bad. |
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| 13:16.32 | hargut | DelphiWorld: But again, depends what your goal is. |
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| 13:17.12 | hargut | DelphiWorld: If you want to have it accessible with the remote control under kodi the approach might be different than if you just want to copy a file. |
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| 13:17.37 | DelphiWorld | hargut: depand, i'll mount it under my mpd & kodi library then browse it |
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| 13:18.13 | hargut | DelphiWorld: This could be a solution: http://www.axllent.org/docs/view/auto-mounting-usb-storage/ |
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| 13:19.02 | hargut | DelphiWorld: https://www.google.at/search?q=automount%20usb%20stick%20raspberry%20pi might have different solutions available. |
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| 13:20.40 | hargut | DelphiWorld: autofs sound also good for this purpose. |
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| 13:20.56 | DelphiWorld | hargut: yeah i'm reading about autofs |
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| 13:23.21 | ozie | how can i fix this error please? W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/contrib/i18n/Translation-en Cannot initiate the connection to debian.mirror.lrz.de:80 (2001:4ca0:0:101:0:80:21:1). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) |
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| 13:24.41 | petn-randall | ozie: Do you have a working IPv6 connection? Because you're trying to connect via IPv6. |
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| 13:24.51 | ozie | petn-randall: no i'm on ipv4 |
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| 13:25.24 | ozie | i haven't changed anything since yesterday |
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| 13:26.03 | FemaleAnon | how do I mount /dev/random? I've been instructed to use "mount -n /dev/random /etc/unbound/dev/random" and it keeps telling me that /dev/random is not a directory |
| 13:26.21 | FemaleAnon | i suppose I have my options wrong or something, but I can't figure it out in man mount |
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| 13:29.31 | cast | FemaleAnon: you can't mount /dev/random. |
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| 13:31.49 | FemaleAnon | cast, i tried ln -s but unbound got mad at me and just spit back error messages |
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| 13:31.59 | FemaleAnon | cast, so, hard link it? |
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| 13:32.30 | cast | FemaleAnon: what are you trying to do |
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| 13:33.31 | cast | ahh, i see now, in unbound.conf(5) |
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| 13:36.59 | cast | FemaleAnon: alright, this might work for you: mkdir -p /etc/unbound/dev/; touch /etc/unbound/dev/random; mount --bind -n /dev/random /etc/unbound/dev/random |
| 13:37.18 | cast | night. |
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| 13:37.28 | FemaleAnon | cast, much appreciated. good night. |
| 13:37.29 | gregor2 | jessie is released? |
| 13:37.43 | cast | gregor2: a while ago |
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| 13:38.10 | gregor2 | wow, just found out with my smartphone while i am not at home. |
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| 13:38.55 | hypermist | lol just installed openvpn but apparently openvpn isnt a command wut / |
| 13:39.07 | gregor2 | a while ago? |
| 13:39.25 | gregor2 | Sounds like i missed something! |
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| 13:39.38 | babilen | hypermist: It is (and in the openvpn package, I guess that your PATH does not include /usr/sbin) |
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| 13:40.02 | hypermist | babilen, i installed it via apt-get install |
| 13:40.04 | ksk | hey guys. Can i set a proxy server for a specific apt repository only? exporting http_proxy before eg apt-get update does it for every repo |
| 13:40.06 | hypermist | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN |
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| 13:40.45 | babilen | hypermist: Yes, what are you doing, what did you expect to happen and what did happen? |
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| 13:41.07 | hypermist | babilen, i was expecting openvpn command to work like it says |
| 13:41.19 | babilen | hypermist: So, what did you try exactly? |
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| 13:41.47 | hypermist | openvpn --remote CLIENT_IP --dev tun1 --ifconfig 10.9.8.1 10.9.8.2 |
| 13:41.52 | hypermist | -bash: openvpn: command not found |
| 13:41.56 | babilen | hypermist: Could you run "/usr/sbin/openvpn --version" and "which openvpn" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:42.15 | babilen | Might want to include "echo $PATH" in there. |
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| 13:42.59 | hypermist | http://paste.debian.net/286945/ |
| 13:43.27 | ksk | I found it on the webz, thanks: http://serverfault.com/questions/482318/apt-get-proxy-for-specific-repos |
| 13:43.44 | babilen | So, your PATH does not include /usr/sbin as expected |
| 13:43.48 | hypermist | i thought apt-get install normally added it there itself |
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| 13:46.15 | transhuman_ | hi I am adapting a script. It is trying to install language-pack-da language-pack-fr language-pack-he...what are the debian equivalents for Jessie. closet I can find is libreoffice-l10n-da but I dont think thats correct...thanks in advance for the help |
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| 13:46.28 | babilen | hypermist: It does (and you can call it), but your USER cannot call it as its PATH does not include /usr/sbin. That would, for example, be different if you were to call it as root or if you add it to your PATH explicitly. Using sudo might also be an option. |
| 13:46.45 | transhuman_ | the script was originally intended for ubuntu |
| 13:46.58 | hypermist | kk babilen ty |
| 13:46.58 | babilen | transhuman_: There is none |
| 13:47.51 | transhuman_ | so basically the build script cant work on debian then? Or do I just skip language packs? this is for building chrome |
| 13:48.20 | babilen | transhuman_: You might think about task-arabic, task-german, task-chinese, ... |
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| 13:48.48 | transhuman_ | ah maybe there is one for danish |
| 13:48.51 | DrOwl | Hi All, can some one point me in the direction of some infomation about battery infomation for bluetooth devices |
| 13:49.12 | babilen | transhuman_: You can install chromium directly from the Debian repositories and Google Chrome from their repos |
| 13:49.14 | transhuman_ | thanks babilen I think thats it |
| 13:49.26 | transhuman_ | no i am cross compiling for a different arch |
| 13:49.51 | transhuman_ | figured I would just make the script work with debian and then put it back up into the chrome repo |
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| 13:50.44 | DrOwl | All i can seem to find is a few old mailing list posts about a plugin for bluez |
| 13:50.51 | Gryf | could someone give a glance on this ? It's about the mpd package : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=123872&p=586988#p586988 |
| 13:51.02 | Gryf | requiring X11 |
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| 13:52.45 | petn-randall | Gryf: mpd doesn't require a full X11 stack, it just depends on some packages. |
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| 13:54.12 | gregor2 | is windows a fork of any linux distribution? |
| 13:54.13 | Gryf | petn-randall: you tell me then : how to install mpd without X11 on debian jessie ? |
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| 13:55.29 | petn-randall | Gryf: apt-get install mpd |
| 13:55.37 | Gryf | well |
| 13:55.47 | Gryf | did you saw the topic I just linked ? |
| 13:55.52 | petn-randall | Gryf: libx11-6 is only the X11 client library. It won't pull in the X11 server. |
| 13:56.27 | Gryf | "x11-common" is much like X11 to me |
| 13:57.09 | petn-randall | Gryf: each to their own |
| 13:57.35 | petn-randall | Gryf: If you for some reasons want to avoid X11 client libraries, you can compile from hand and maintain updates by hand. |
| 13:57.52 | gregor2 | What do you think about the Pony community? |
| 13:57.53 | Gryf | I don't understand why a deamon music app need X11 |
| 13:57.53 | petn-randall | Gryf: You'll probably even save a few megabytes of precious hard disk space. |
| 13:57.54 | Gryf | is all |
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| 14:06.13 | petn-randall | Gryf: As I said, those are X11 client libraries, which aren't used by mpd if you don't want to. You could recompile it without pulseaudio support, in which case you'd save a few MB of disk space. |
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| 14:07.40 | Gryf | couldn't debian just update his dependcy tree, and add that mpd does not need x11 at all ? :s |
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| 14:28.39 | petn-randall | Gryf: To what benefit? |
| 14:28.49 | docmur | I installed incron, when I make an entry in incrontab and save it, when I open it, it's deleted, so I cant seem to actually save my incrontab rules, has anyone heard of this? |
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| 14:36.51 | quarterback | What does systemd do? How to check if i have it running already and do servers on Debian have that? |
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| 14:38.26 | quarterback | !systemd |
| 14:38.26 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
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| 14:43.13 | Iridos | quarterback, what version of Debian? |
| 14:43.28 | quarterback | Iridos: Debian 7 x86 |
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| 14:45.25 | Iridos | quarterback, that's wheezy... then the system very likely doesn't use systemd (it's not the default and getting it to run properly might have involved quite a bit of work) |
| 14:45.47 | greycat | wheezy still used sysvinit by default, yes |
| 14:46.02 | quarterback | Iridos: Yes, that seems right.I better dont have it? |
| 14:46.12 | arinov | how to find out what video driver now used by my debian? |
| 14:46.21 | greycat | the systemd that's available in wheezy was, I believe, just a "technology preview" and not intended for serious use |
| 14:46.31 | greycat | arinov: read /var/log/Xorg* |
| 14:46.40 | quarterback | greycat: Yes, Debian 8 seems to have systemd by default. |
| 14:46.45 | greycat | yup |
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| 14:47.09 | quarterback | greycat: What are the highlights of systemd? |
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| 14:47.41 | arinov | quarterback, grep what? |
| 14:48.06 | arinov | quarterback, to many strings |
| 14:48.10 | quarterback | arinov: Sorry I don't understand what you meant. |
| 14:48.12 | greycat | quarterback: very different boot process... desktop users probably won't care |
| 14:48.26 | quarterback | greycat: This is on a server. |
| 14:48.29 | greycat | For servers, you'll need to learn a whole different way of managing processes. |
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| 14:48.55 | quarterback | A small server, not a heavy duty webserver. .which can take 10000 simultaneous connections. |
| 14:49.22 | greycat | If you've ever used daemontools or runit, it's like those but on steroids. |
| 14:49.29 | armin | hint: don't test your unit-files on production. |
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| 14:49.47 | quarterback | greycat: I have never used runit or daemontools |
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| 14:50.28 | armin | also make sure you have access to the machine in case you shoot yourself in the foot while changing anything systemd. the foot-shoot-potential is extreme if you don't have experience with it. |
| 14:50.53 | greycat | I guess I've never messed with any part of it that's low-level enough that I would lose ssh access. |
| 14:51.15 | armin | greycat: i guessed that, too... |
| 14:51.19 | quarterback | armin: I wont have mess with systemd now on this version of the server. Maybe only during a server upgrade in a some years. |
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| 14:51.50 | quarterback | How long can a debian 7 server can actually run without reboot? An interesting question. |
| 14:52.15 | greycat | Until it loses power or suffers a hardware failure. |
| 14:52.18 | armin | actually i remember myself running daemontools on top of a systemd installation because i simply had other things to do than spending time on systemd. the docs were in a terrible state back then. |
| 14:52.45 | quarterback | greycat: That means atleast some years? |
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| 14:53.16 | armin | systemd has great features, that's for sure. its design is pretty questionable, though, if you ask me. |
| 14:53.16 | greycat | With reasonable luck, sure. |
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| 14:54.41 | quarterback | greycat: HOw much ram is enough? |
| 14:54.45 | greycat | for what? |
| 14:54.56 | armin | i hate the fact that systemd unit files use camel-case, btw. |
| 14:55.02 | quarterback | greycat: For an ircd and webserver. |
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| 14:55.35 | greycat | A web server with only static content, that serves 5 pages a day, and an IRCd that has 4 users? Probably 128 MB. |
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| 14:56.13 | quarterback | greycat: THere would be lot more , probably a few thoussand irc users and atleast 50 or 100 pages per day. |
| 14:56.56 | greycat | Well, the web server's load is completely negligible then. It's just the ircd that has any real impact. |
| 14:57.29 | greycat | If you've already got this running, just look at it and see how much it's using. |
| 14:57.38 | quarterback | greycat: I'm told inspire ircd takes about 200 to 300 MB ram for as many as 10000 irc users. |
| 14:57.58 | quarterback | greycat: Right now its minimal with almost no load, about 21 MB |
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| 15:00.04 | armin | quarterback: setting the scale of a server based on what you're told is a bit error-prone. |
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| 15:00.31 | quarterback | armin: Please tell how, I am still experimenting |
| 15:00.32 | jamesc | im on sqeeze and I have installed qemu-kvm but the command does not tab out? |
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| 15:00.52 | armin | quarterback: ok let me refine that, you will not be able to circumvent a sane validation. |
| 15:01.30 | d3lphi | what is the hotkey to LOCK my screen in Debian Jessie (I'm using gnome3/gdm3) |
| 15:01.36 | quarterback | armin: Yes, that is true too, but server load is really random. So I have to see the server for some time then I can tune the server. |
| 15:01.36 | d3lphi | META+L seems not to work |
| 15:02.10 | armin | d3lphi: ask #gnome. |
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| 15:02.49 | armin | d3lphi: there are a lot of 3rd party screen lockers though, that you can use desktop/wm-independent |
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| 15:03.22 | quarterback | armin: There is lighttpd, which is very light. |
| 15:03.50 | greycat | nginx is plenty light enough, especially for static content |
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| 15:04.27 | jhutchins | d3lphi: You might try Ctrl-Alt-l |
| 15:05.05 | quarterback | greycat: Yes, there is nginx but I needed something more basic than that which would host a 4 or 5 page website. |
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| 15:11.03 | hectortrope | hello guys I installed cpulimit and I want to linit my process to some particular value here in paste http://pastebin.com/W0ABpXB3 as we can see there are so many pid and when I try cpulinit -l 20 java it's not working |
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| 15:13.29 | hectortrope | can Some one help me how can I limit that somep process to 20 please |
| 15:13.41 | greycat | 20 what? |
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| 15:14.35 | jessu | % |
| 15:14.46 | jessu | like cpulimit -l 20 java |
| 15:14.55 | jessu | it should limit my process |
| 15:15.32 | greycat | did I miss a nick change...? |
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| 15:15.40 | jessu | what? |
| 15:15.45 | jessu | Yes |
| 15:15.51 | jessu | I changed nick |
| 15:16.39 | hectortrope | It's me |
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| 15:18.06 | greycat | So you want to limit a single process, which is a single thread, to 20% of one CPU core? Well, no, wait. You said "java". Java is never ever ever going to be a single thread. A java programmer is trained by shock treatments to use as many threads as possible. |
| 15:18.21 | hectortrope | I have many threds |
| 15:18.29 | hectortrope | yes |
| 15:18.33 | hectortrope | many threads |
| 15:18.40 | hectortrope | that's my problem |
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| 15:18.42 | greycat | Then ask ##java how to deal with this. |
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| 15:18.56 | hectortrope | java channel is so Fcking |
| 15:19.05 | hectortrope | they don't even reply for java questions |
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| 15:19.20 | hectortrope | and more it's linux administration question right |
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| 15:20.25 | Iridos | hectortrope, it's unclear from your question what you want to limit to what |
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| 15:21.04 | hectortrope | Iridos: http://pastebin.com/W0ABpXB3 please check that paste |
| 15:21.13 | hectortrope | I don't want my cpu procees to exceed |
| 15:21.27 | hectortrope | like that that paste I can see 33 |
| 15:21.34 | hectortrope | I want to keep it to 20 |
| 15:21.41 | hectortrope | for example ^^ |
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| 15:22.07 | Iridos | I already looked at this paste |
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| 15:22.58 | hectortrope | when u type top command u get cpu % |
| 15:23.03 | hectortrope | that I wan't to limit |
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| 15:23.25 | JoeSchmoe | sighs |
| 15:23.33 | Iridos | that seems... silly |
| 15:23.36 | JoeSchmoe | Anyone use proftpd? |
| 15:23.37 | ChrisH | hectortrope: why do you want to limit? |
| 15:23.39 | Iridos | how many cores does your machine have? |
| 15:23.45 | hectortrope | 16 + |
| 15:23.54 | hectortrope | Can you guys please tell |
| 15:23.56 | Iridos | "+"? |
| 15:24.02 | hectortrope | its cloud system even 32-64 some times |
| 15:24.02 | greycat | I think he means "I don't know" |
| 15:24.03 | petn-randall | !tell JoeSchmoe -about survey |
| 15:24.06 | JoeSchmoe | I'm trying to set it up for the first time, and it installed successfully and is running, but I get 530 Login incorrect |
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| 15:24.23 | JoeSchmoe | sorry |
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| 15:24.49 | petn-randall | Hi JoeSchmoe, do you want to use it for anonymous access? If yes, have you configured it to do so? |
| 15:24.56 | ChrisH | remembers a similar cpu limit disccussion some days ago |
| 15:25.09 | hectortrope | ChrisH Yes |
| 15:25.21 | hectortrope | they asked me to download cpulimit or nice |
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| 15:25.25 | hectortrope | I installed cpulimit |
| 15:25.33 | hectortrope | and can you guys help?? |
| 15:25.40 | JoeSchmoe | I don't want to use it for anonymous access, I want to use it for modifying the files in one of my web server directories |
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| 15:25.56 | petn-randall | hectortrope: Just use nice. There's not much point in limiting a process on a otherwise idle system. |
| 15:26.05 | greycat | JoeSchmoe: I would strongly recommend that you use ssh/sftp instead. |
| 15:26.28 | greycat | hectortrope: who is "they", and WHY did they tell you to do this? |
| 15:26.39 | ChrisH | hectortrope: IIRC you were not able to explain the root cause to limit such things... from our expierence ressource management does not make sense unless you have ressource limitations. proactive does not work from my expierience |
| 15:26.41 | hectortrope | petn-randall: check my paste the process will be like that how can I use nice? |
| 15:26.45 | hectortrope | pleaae tell petn-randall |
| 15:26.51 | greycat | hectortrope: was it because you THOUGHT you had a need, and ASKED THEM how to implement your perceived (but very false) need, and they just made up an answer? |
| 15:26.59 | hectortrope | greycat: when i said they today? |
| 15:27.10 | greycat | 11:25 hectortrope> they asked me to download cpulimit or nice |
| 15:27.16 | greycat | THAT THEY RIGHT THERE |
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| 15:27.20 | hectortrope | greycat: here in this room |
| 15:27.36 | hectortrope | when ChrisH said he remember discussion |
| 15:27.46 | JoeSchmoe | Why ssh/sftp greycat? I'm pretty new to all this so I apologize for any obvious questions |
| 15:27.54 | greycat | So... you came into #debian and said "How do I limit a program's CPU use" and someone told you to use cpulimit? It was an answer to your WRONG QUESTION. |
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| 15:28.02 | greycat | Ignore the answer. Ignore your own question. |
| 15:28.24 | hectortrope | greycat: can you edit my question and propose a solution then? |
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| 15:28.36 | greycat | JoeSchmoe: FTP does not encrypt your username, or your password, or your data over the Internet. ssh or sftp does. |
| 15:28.46 | JoeSchmoe | gotcha |
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| 15:28.51 | greycat | hectortrope: you have not yet stated an actual problem that needs to be solved. |
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| 15:29.04 | whitephoenix | I'm trying to install debian and don't see expert mode, where is it? |
| 15:29.15 | hectortrope | greycat: all I wanted is to limit the cpu process of a java application which have so many cores |
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| 15:29.28 | greycat | hectortrope: Why? |
| 15:29.49 | hectortrope | petn-randall: How can I use nice for a multi-threaded java application which jave many pid |
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| 15:30.05 | hectortrope | greycat: because it uses more |
| 15:30.15 | greycat | hectortrope: nice sets a priority that will be inherited by each subprocess/thread. |
| 15:30.17 | hectortrope | I want to give certain cpu % only |
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| 15:30.30 | Iridos | why |
| 15:30.35 | greycat | I give up. He's on ignore now. |
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| 15:30.57 | hectortrope | greycat: Ok Thanks |
| 15:31.05 | Iridos | haha... bad timing |
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| 15:32.01 | hectortrope | Iridos: my Question is on some tool called cpu limit and everyone ask why? I just wan't to do it and why makes no sense and if it's possible or not that may matter for me |
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| 15:32.30 | Iridos | hectortrope, you could also try something like: export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-XX:ParallelGCThreads=2" |
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| 15:33.16 | pomaranc | hello, does debian/systemd have a drop-in directory for scripts to run at boot? |
| 15:33.17 | hectortrope | Iridos: what is it for? |
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| 15:33.44 | Iridos | hectortrope, because you are asking a question on some detail of what you think is the solution but it may not be the best solution (or any solution) at all... so you have to describe what problem you *really* try to solve and then we can give a useful answer |
| 15:33.56 | greycat | No, but you can use /etc/rc.local (a file, not a directory) in the traditional manner, until you get your stuff rewritten for systemd. |
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| 15:34.47 | Iridos | and cpulimit (which I have never looked at before) seems to work by sending stop/start signals to the process. yucc. |
| 15:34.49 | whitephoenix | Where is expert mode? I don't see it but need it |
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| 15:35.25 | Iridos | s/start/cont/ |
| 15:35.36 | pomaranc | greycat: I know about that, but thanks -- I wanted something I can manipulate automatically from a script |
| 15:35.55 | docmur | I installed incron, when I make an entry in incrontab and save it, when I open it, it's deleted, so I cant seem to actually save my incrontab rules, has anyone heard of this? |
| 15:36.09 | JoeSchmoe | I think I need to understand better how linux in general operates |
| 15:36.13 | greycat | pomaranc: you can create systemd unit files and remove them with your script. |
| 15:36.23 | ChrisH | hectortrope: btw from my understanding of the man page you are doining it wroing... cpulimit -p PID -l 20 |
| 15:36.27 | JoeSchmoe | because this stuff is waaaay over ym head |
| 15:36.30 | JoeSchmoe | *my |
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| 15:38.04 | Iridos | JoeSchmoe, ftp has nothing as such to do with linux... neither do ssh (except that it's very commonly used with linux) ... they are some high-level internet protocols for computers to communicate with |
| 15:38.27 | JoeSchmoe | nooo, that's not what I meant |
| 15:38.55 | greycat | Which stuff do you want to know about? |
| 15:39.01 | JoeSchmoe | I just don't very well know how to USE linux, I don't properly understand how groups/users work and the filesystem still sort of confuses me. |
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| 15:39.49 | mtn | JoeSchmoe, use it for what? I have used to for almost 20 years and rarely need to mess with either |
| 15:39.53 | JoeSchmoe | Sooooo security considerations are still second to me while I'm trying to make sense of everything... sooo that's why I'm prone to bad practices XD |
| 15:40.06 | greycat | Each running process, and each file, has an owner. That owner generally controls what the process is allowed to do, or who is allowed to read/write the file. |
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| 15:40.18 | greycat | That's the most fundamental level. It gets more complex after that. |
| 15:41.07 | greycat | Files like /bin/ls are owned by root, so only root is allowed to write (modify) them. But other users like JoeSchmoe can read them. |
| 15:41.39 | whitephoenix | what are the differences between debian and opensuse? |
| 15:41.39 | JoeSchmoe | I've been doing almost everything out of the root terminal |
| 15:42.00 | greycat | When JoeSchmoe runs /bin/ls (usually by typing "ls"), the kernel creates a new process owned by JoeSchmoe. |
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| 15:42.15 | greycat | You should be doing everything you can as your normal account, not as root. Only become root when it's needed. |
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| 15:43.16 | JoeSchmoe | Right, it's just needed all the time because no doubt I've configured something improperly or I need root to mess with configurations or something and that's why I feel like I lack some real understanding on how things are supposed to work |
| 15:43.24 | Fjorgynn | anyone knows a good id3 tag editor cli? |
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| 15:43.50 | JoeSchmoe | I'll keep working at it and look more into sftp |
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| 15:44.39 | petn-randall | hectortrope: Nice values get inherited by child processes. |
| 15:44.56 | x86_64 | do you believe this: http://ccm.net/forum/affich-35484-monitor-gets-no-signal-computer-won-t-boot#14 |
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| 15:45.14 | x86_64 | dunno wtf is going on, but people claim it works |
| 15:45.26 | x86_64 | hi Tyrfing. |
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| 15:47.19 | whitephoenix | due to my endless problems with debian I think I'm gonna try opensuse instead |
| 15:47.34 | x86_64 | whitephoenix, wat problems |
| 15:47.57 | whitephoenix | Mainly I can't get ethernet to work |
| 15:47.58 | petn-randall | whitephoenix: Good luck |
| 15:48.10 | x86_64 | whitephoenix, maybe ubuntu :p |
| 15:48.30 | greycat | If it's because "wifi" and "firmware", then maybe he just needs an installer with the nonfree firmware included. |
| 15:48.32 | whitephoenix | I don't like ubuntu that much. I used to use it a bit |
| 15:48.42 | whitephoenix | greycat: I'm using a nonfree firmware installer |
| 15:48.43 | x86_64 | whitephoenix, windows? |
| 15:48.44 | x86_64 | :p |
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| 15:48.51 | whitephoenix | Nope windows broke on me |
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| 15:48.58 | whitephoenix | I wanted to switch anyways |
| 15:49.01 | x86_64 | whitephoenix, nothing? |
| 15:49.15 | whitephoenix | maybe I'll give windows me a shot |
| 15:49.17 | x86_64 | use nothing. if its so hard for you, just forget it. |
| 15:49.23 | whitephoenix | I need a pc though |
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| 15:49.40 | whitephoenix | I didn't spend $800+ on this build to have it not even work |
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| 15:50.11 | x86_64 | whitephoenix, maybe you can donate 800 bucks to a recycling yard. good for the planet! :p |
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| 15:50.31 | x86_64 | just kidding |
| 15:50.37 | whitephoenix | yeah no thanks |
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| 15:51.59 | whitephoenix | It so weird because before I decided I didn't like mint I installed it just fine |
| 15:52.18 | x86_64 | *yawns* |
| 15:52.33 | Iridos | JoeSchmoe, if you are editing/changing/creating the basic configuration of servers, having to do that as root "all the time" is normal. |
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| 15:53.00 | JoeSchmoe | oh, is it? |
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| 15:53.06 | totte | I got a new ASUS R9 290 which I put in my machine running Jessie, which previously used Intel graphics. Before this, I could output to a VGA monitor, a DVI and HDMI - no issue. Now I have one HDMI port which works and two DVI ports of which neither seems to work. The monitor merely displays a window with the text "No signal" in it. How do I troubleshoot? I haven't used a dedicated card before, only Intel. |
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| 15:53.38 | JoeSchmoe | yeah, once everything is configured, I don't intend to be root for day to day stuff |
| 15:54.22 | totte | It doesn't even display anything at GRUB or before X is started. |
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| 15:56.47 | whitephoenix | what are the main differences in suse as opposed to debian |
| 15:57.21 | greycat | The main differences between ANY two linux distributions are mostly in the packaging system. |
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| 15:58.22 | mtn | whitephoenix, and the number and quality of packages in the distro |
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| 15:58.54 | whitephoenix | Oh suse uses yum right? |
| 15:59.20 | mtn | whitephoenix, you should ask them |
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| 16:00.24 | aelevadoan | hey |
| 16:00.30 | aelevadoan | any help here with mediawiki please? |
| 16:00.33 | aelevadoan | related to debian I mean |
| 16:00.39 | whitephoenix | looks like zypper |
| 16:00.41 | aelevadoan | how have you downloaded it in your experience? |
| 16:00.48 | aelevadoan | tar ball from the mw official site |
| 16:00.54 | aelevadoan | or a specific debian package? |
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| 16:02.08 | greycat | The one and only time I've put mediawiki on a Debian box, it was by tarball. |
| 16:02.26 | aelevadoan | did you have any issues, greycat? |
| 16:02.39 | aelevadoan | im getting a blank page when trying to launch the installation in the browser |
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| 16:03.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have a Pentium II 400MHz running debian 3.x |
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| 16:03.33 | mccar | Hi! |
| 16:03.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | Can this machine run Jessie without slowing down? |
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| 16:04.03 | greycat | If it has enough RAM, I suppose so. |
| 16:04.12 | greycat | On a machine of that age, RAM could be tight. |
| 16:04.16 | centrx | TyrfingMjolnir, minimal/no GUI would be good as well |
| 16:04.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | ssh only |
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| 16:04.49 | JeffJohnson | hello |
| 16:04.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | wifi gateway only |
| 16:05.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | Wireless spot 4000m range |
| 16:05.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | 55mbit |
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| 16:05.41 | JeffJohnson | what's the best way to prevent that the init-script of a package is started during package installation? I tried to pass --no-start to dh_installinit but it caused that the packaged didn't contain the init-script anymore |
| 16:05.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | 256MB |
| 16:06.13 | greycat | That should be fine for running sshd in jessie. |
| 16:06.19 | mccar | I have a debian 8, apache2, php5, I just want to run my scripts from old machine but I cant,. Php lists file source instead of execute it. I ran file from command line with "php /path/to/filename" and again got listing. What is a problem with it? |
| 16:07.28 | mccar | libapache_mod_php5 is installed |
| 16:08.04 | mccar | If I run "php -r command" its OK |
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| 16:08.56 | mccar | I made a script executable and still got listing. |
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| 16:09.12 | equa | mccar: use <?php tag |
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| 16:09.45 | hectortrope | ChrisH: yes but I have so many PID |
| 16:10.04 | hectortrope | ChrisH: I don't wan't to do via PID |
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| 16:15.55 | hectortrope | Sorry I am away for last 20 mins |
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| 16:23.46 | ptrz | this is a pretty basic question, but as someone who rarely works with debian configuration: what's the proper way to make a daemon (spamd, specifically) use a particular flag when starting? |
| 16:23.56 | ptrz | by default every time, that is |
| 16:24.11 | greycat | Depends on the daemon. Some of them read arguments from variables in /etc/default/mydaemonname |
| 16:26.24 | ptrz | greycat: but there's no system-native way of doing it? |
| 16:26.35 | ptrz | even with Jessie (i.e. systemd :P ) |
| 16:27.08 | greycat | It depends on the daemon. |
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| 16:37.00 | jhutchins | ptrz: Some use /etc/sysconfig/<name> |
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| 16:37.41 | jhutchins | ptrz: Some of them you set it in the config file in /etc/, some you have to actually edit the init script (or service file for systemd). |
| 16:38.21 | hectortrope | petn-randall: so I use nice?/ |
| 16:39.13 | ptrz | jhutchins: figured it out - spamd uses /etc/defaults |
| 16:39.15 | ptrz | thanks |
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| 16:42.15 | jhutchins | ptrz: I think the one thing Debian does pretty much require is that it be documented either in the man page or /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian |
| 16:42.29 | petn-randall | hectortrope: Yes, as I said before. What information are you missing? |
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| 16:43.37 | hectortrope | petn-randall: I used nice java 20 is it correct? |
| 16:43.47 | hectortrope | http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2014/11/04/restricting-process-cpu-usage-using-nice-cpulimit-and-cgroups |
| 16:43.51 | hectortrope | folowing that |
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| 16:45.08 | petn-randall | hectortrope: The syntax is explained in the man page. It's simple. Read up on it via 'man nice'. |
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| 16:45.20 | petn-randall | *You can |
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| 16:48.41 | hectortrope | I get nice 1 2 and 3 |
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| 16:48.56 | hectortrope | ok petn-randall |
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| 16:51.32 | Steradian | hi |
| 16:51.41 | hectortrope | Hi |
| 16:51.45 | Steradian | im using jessie and i cant get the internet to connect |
| 16:51.51 | Steradian | can someone help me please |
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| 16:52.12 | petn-randall | Steradian: How are you connected to the internet, and how have you configured it on your jessie machine. |
| 16:52.15 | petn-randall | ? |
| 16:52.53 | Steradian | petn-randall: through a realtek RTL8192CE. im attempting anywya |
| 16:53.24 | Steradian | i installed the chipset drivers from the debian website and now it has gone from not recognising anything to seeing networks |
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| 16:53.33 | vlt | Steradian: Where do you connect to? |
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| 16:53.42 | Steradian | what do you mean vlt |
| 16:54.00 | Steradian | however it will not start the connectio |
| 16:54.07 | vlt | Is it a router with DHCP? |
| 16:54.10 | Steradian | i get two errors |
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| 16:54.17 | Steradian | how do i check |
| 16:54.40 | Steradian | the wifi network could not be found and connection 'networkname' deactivated |
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| 16:55.32 | vlt | Steradian: You could check first if your device appears in `ip address`. |
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| 16:56.22 | Steradian | what do you mean by device |
| 16:56.32 | Steradian | i typed "ip address" into bash |
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| 16:56.40 | Steradian | i see my network devices |
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| 16:57.08 | vlt | ok |
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| 16:57.33 | Steradian | i mean i see eth0 and wlan0 |
| 16:58.09 | vlt | Ok, that means the wlan0 device is at least basically working. |
| 16:58.26 | vlt | Does `iwlist scan` return something? |
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| 16:59.04 | Steradian | yes |
| 16:59.14 | Steradian | 8 networks returned |
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| 17:01.30 | Fjorgynn | Hey |
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| 17:03.15 | vlt | Steradian: Is the network youâre trying to connect to listed? |
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| 17:03.50 | aedinius | wow, joined a guest wireless and it pushed out a new hostname for me to use |
| 17:03.55 | Steradian | yes vlt |
| 17:03.57 | vlt | And did you use a GUI tool for the first attempt to connect? |
| 17:04.14 | Steradian | i used the default on the kde desktop vlt |
| 17:04.43 | Steradian | p sure its network manager |
| 17:05.06 | aedinius | I've seen them push a new hostname, a new domain name, but never a new hostname that included the domain name |
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| 18:17.21 | TinkerTiger | Does Debian 8.1 have a GUI for detecting, pairing Bluetooth devices? |
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| 18:18.57 | cxd13 | TinkerTiger: what DE do you use? |
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| 18:19.14 | cxd13 | kde and gnome probably do |
| 18:19.30 | cxd13 | they probably all do though |
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| 18:20.53 | TinkerTiger | Well, I installed all three, gnome, kde and cinnamon. Because, I like KDE, some things I use like Gnome and I was always curious about cinnamon. However, I don't see one anywhere. |
| 18:21.03 | Guest98266 | hi - if your using a vpn on debian - whats the best way to monitor that its not making direct connections? |
| 18:21.04 | TinkerTiger | Bluez is installed. |
| 18:21.22 | cxd13 | TinkerTiger: i recall seeing a bluetooth icon in the KDE panel |
| 18:21.37 | Guest98266 | as in, bypassing the vpn? |
| 18:21.41 | cxd13 | maybe it's not there by default |
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| 18:23.57 | cxd13 | TinkerTiger: KDE GUI for it is "bluedevil" |
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| 18:26.06 | TinkerTiger | cxd13: Thanks, I'll look for it. |
| 18:26.25 | cxd13 | you may have to install it if it's not there already |
| 18:27.09 | TinkerTiger | cxd13: Yes. Yes. The dongle wasn't in the computer when I installed the OS. :) |
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| 18:28.42 | cxd13 | TinkerTiger: check this out if you need help https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 18:29.47 | TinkerTiger | cxd13: Oh, thanks. I should read more docs, but I already have several hundred pages to read elsewhere. :) |
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| 18:42.14 | armin | TinkerTiger: you have to modify the routing table. |
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| 18:42.33 | armin | TinkerTiger: some vpn daemons supoort pushing settings to their clients, including openvpn |
| 18:43.18 | armin | TinkerTiger: oh, bluetooth, nevermind, |
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| 18:44.32 | armin | TinkerTiger: did you look at the arch wiki? |
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| 18:45.44 | armin | TinkerTiger: i've written a small script which you might find useful: http://git.io/vY9Lw |
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| 18:49.13 | TinkerTiger | armin: I'll take a look, thanks. |
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| 18:49.57 | cxd13 | armin: debian wiki has an article on it https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 18:50.04 | cxd13 | shows what to install and how to pair |
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| 19:00.33 | CtrlC | Hi, I have a wheezy for about two years now. everything was fine before but now, after booting the screen is black. I can't even get any picture in the other TTY s . Any idea how to fix it? I'm totaly⦠|
| 19:00.34 | CtrlC | ⦠blind. |
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| 19:04.02 | ryouma | CtrlC: what does your x server say? |
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| 19:05.07 | CtrlC | ryouma: I don't know. I cant see anything. |
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| 19:05.35 | ryouma | CtrlC: can you log in on a vt? try c-m-f1, then login as root |
| 19:05.47 | ryouma | oh my error |
| 19:05.49 | CtrlC | I just get picture for a few seconds after changing tty. then everything goes dark again. |
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| 19:06.00 | ryouma | i didn't read your question carefully enough |
| 19:06.05 | ryouma | so vt do not work either? |
| 19:06.20 | ryouma | could it be your monitor? |
| 19:06.27 | CtrlC | what is vt? |
| 19:06.33 | greycat | virtual terminal |
| 19:06.41 | ryouma | what do you mean by other ttys then? |
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| 19:06.49 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2, etc. |
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| 19:06.57 | CtrlC | no not my monitor. everything is fine before booting. |
| 19:07.36 | CtrlC | greycat the same. I told before that it jast gives me picture for a few seconds. |
| 19:07.47 | ryouma | what does the picture show |
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| 19:08.05 | CtrlC | oops sorry greycat |
| 19:08.21 | CtrlC | ryouma: normal picture |
| 19:08.26 | ryouma | which is? |
| 19:09.02 | ryouma | i think you can do c-s when you are booting, to stop it in its tracks. or in grub you can set breakpoints for booting by setting command line. you'd have to ask an expert. |
| 19:09.02 | CtrlC | the gdm or my desktop if I log in or the tty login page etc |
| 19:09.25 | greycat | My god, can't he just say what it DOES? |
| 19:09.33 | greycat | "it's this or that" |
| 19:09.46 | CtrlC | what? |
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| 19:11.28 | CtrlC | oh shit! even grub goes black. |
| 19:11.42 | ryouma | sounds like monitor |
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| 19:12.04 | CtrlC | oh shit yes. the bios goes black too. |
| 19:12.23 | ryouma | highly unlikely to be debian :) |
| 19:12.24 | CtrlC | thank you guys. |
| 19:12.27 | CtrlC | sorry. |
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| 19:20.35 | TuomasKotamaa | Hi everyone! I'm experiencing obscure NTP traffic. I'm on Debian Sid with Gnome. What could it be? The packages are sent to this address: sultan.uraanikaivos.com - with analogy to some obscure Indian God of irresistable force... (Check the picture on the page) |
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| 19:21.34 | greycat | TuomasKotamaa: why is this a problem, exactly? |
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| 19:23.19 | TuomasKotamaa | greycat: I don't think the NTP traffic should be there. |
| 19:23.52 | knivsta | Is Debian really the most stable Desktop? |
| 19:24.01 | knivsta | or CentOS? |
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| 19:25.30 | dondelelcaro | TuomasKotamaa: what is the output of ntpq -c peers; ? |
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| 19:27.52 | TuomasKotamaa | dondelelcaro: Sorry, nothing, ntpq is not installed. |
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| 19:29.06 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, ntpq is into the ntp package, do you have that package installed? |
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| 19:31.11 | TuomasKotamaa | Brigo: Sorry, no. This is one of the main reason why I'm wondering. If NTP would have been installen, I would have tried to restart it, then to upgrade it, and so froth if the traffic persisted. But I don't know where it's coming from. |
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| 19:31.41 | greycat | You're running a computer without NTP? *shudder* |
| 19:31.48 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, you have something listening in that port. |
| 19:32.01 | dondelelcaro | TuomasKotamaa: uh... so you have a computer which is sending ntp traffic but is not using ntp? |
| 19:32.07 | TuomasKotamaa | Brigo: I guessed so much. |
| 19:32.23 | TuomasKotamaa | dondelelcaro: Seems so. |
| 19:32.25 | greycat | By the way, it's Tuesday now. Possibly Wednesday if you're in one of the far east time zones. |
| 19:32.25 | dondelelcaro | TuomasKotamaa: or are you using squeeze or later? |
| 19:32.38 | dondelelcaro | err, stretch or later, rather. |
| 19:32.49 | TuomasKotamaa | dondelelcaro: Sid |
| 19:32.56 | dondelelcaro | TuomasKotamaa: and you're using systemd? |
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| 19:33.46 | TuomasKotamaa | dondelelcaro: Is that a trick question? Aren't all Debians by default? |
| 19:33.58 | greyness | no |
| 19:34.01 | greycat | some people disable it |
| 19:34.04 | greyness | you have upstart, and systemd |
| 19:34.08 | greyness | iirc |
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| 19:34.37 | TuomasKotamaa | greyness: I did not know that. Thanks for info. |
| 19:34.40 | greycat | eagerly waits for dondelelcaro to tell us what systemd in sid is doing that addresses this issue |
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| 19:35.36 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, you can check for listening programs with netstat |
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| 19:35.52 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, netstat -putan |grep ntp may be |
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| 19:36.25 | Brigo | i think ntpd listens in upd ports |
| 19:36.36 | dondelelcaro | TuomasKotamaa: systemd has an ntp client built in. So there you go. |
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| 19:37.22 | Brigo | dondelelcaro, not by default. |
| 19:38.27 | greycat | That sounds rather like they've exceeded any reasonable definition of their project's scope. |
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| 19:39.13 | hexnewbie | greycat: Not until systemd-emacs is ready. |
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| 19:39.50 | TuomasKotamaa | Can we not talk about "why systemd X", but why am I seeing an picture of an obscure Indian God at the other end of my NTP connection? |
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| 19:40.15 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, did you check what is listening in that port as i told you? |
| 19:40.17 | greycat | Presumably because that node is running both an ntpd and a web server. |
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| 19:40.37 | greycat | Assuming you mean you saw the Indian god through a web browser. |
| 19:40.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's no way ntp would work over tcp. |
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| 19:41.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | and that was going to be my next question. how could you "see" a "picture" over ntp?! |
| 19:41.27 | dondelelcaro | Brigo: it is in stretch |
| 19:41.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/ntp/nntp/ ? |
| 19:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Brigo: unless you have ntp installed, in which case it's disabled. |
| 19:41.47 | greycat | I believe he means he saw that one of his NTP servers reverse-resolved to "some domain name", and then he visited http://"some domain name" in a web browser. |
| 19:41.49 | Brigo | dondelelcaro, ok. |
| 19:41.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed. makes sense. |
| 19:42.37 | TuomasKotamaa | Brigo: Sorry, netstat isn't showing any NTP traffic. But Etherape shows a short connection every three seconds or so. |
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| 19:43.01 | dimitry7 | is there a way to execute sysstat everysecond with no script? |
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| 19:43.13 | TuomasKotamaa | NoImNotNineVolt: Web browser sultan.uraanikaivos.com |
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| 19:43.15 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it's more like a separate daemon which happens to be in the same source |
| 19:43.20 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, then may be they send traffic, but it is being droped. |
| 19:43.22 | dondelelcaro | greycat: but systemd has a bunch of those |
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| 19:43.51 | dondelelcaro | (this one being /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd) |
| 19:44.21 | greycat | Did they reinvent the NTP wheel a third time, or did they carve chunks out of xntpd or OpenNTPD? |
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| 19:44.29 | Brigo | dondelelcaro, it is in jessie too. |
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| 19:44.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | i should run an ntp server on http://www.chuuchpreachtabernacle.com/ |
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| 19:45.08 | hexnewbie | You better have your clock synced before your system has started booting and before your NFS root is mounted, I presume. That's the probable reason it exists |
| 19:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Brigo: it's in jessie, but it's not enabled by default |
| 19:45.46 | dondelelcaro | greycat: not sure; I don't think it's a complete ntp implementation |
| 19:45.54 | hexnewbie | Certainly before your ext4 root is mounted - we'd like to avoid "This filesystem hasn't been checked in 165124 days" |
| 19:46.20 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it's probably an implementation on the order of how ntpdate is an implementation of ntp. |
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| 19:47.12 | dondelelcaro | (which is pretty reasonable; you probably really want ntpd, but you at least want ntpdate) |
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| 19:47.23 | TuomasKotamaa | Brigo: If I close everything that's connecting out, Etherape shows me the NTP connection to this sultan.uraanikaivos.com place for a couple of seconds, then nothing for a couple of seconds and the it again, on and on... |
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| 19:51.19 | kubast2 | Hey ,how can I add Root Trust Anchor into my local unbound dns server ? |
| 19:52.42 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, if nothing is listening there, then it is harmless. You can see there is no response. |
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| 19:53.19 | greycat | we've already established, haven't we, that he's running sid with systemd, and that sid's systemd has a built-in-ish NTP service |
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| 19:53.33 | teraflops | kubast2: are you setting up DNSsec validation? |
| 19:53.43 | kubast2 | yes |
| 19:53.48 | TuomasKotamaa | Brigo: How can you tell there's no response? |
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| 19:54.29 | Brigo | TuomasKotamaa, i can't but your etherape can :) |
| 19:55.05 | greycat | I would expect you to see NTP traffic in both directions if you're using it as a time server. |
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| 19:57.07 | TuomasKotamaa | Ok. This is a bit over my head. |
| 19:57.40 | TuomasKotamaa | I've never looked much into how the Internet works. Maybe I should do that. |
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| 19:58.45 | TuomasKotamaa | Thanks everyone. I rest assured. |
| 19:59.05 | greycat | The immediately relevant part is "Your computer's clock is a piece of shit. They all are. In order for your computer to know what time it really is, it has to synchronize its clock with other computers." |
| 19:59.46 | greycat | I don't personally understand why a multi-hundred-dollar computer can't keep the time at least as well as a $10 wristwatch, but who am I to judge. |
| 20:00.03 | Brigo | greycat, totally agree. |
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| 20:01.59 | greycat | NTP (Network Time Protocol) is the protocol it uses to synchronize its clock. NTP usually recommends that you synchronize with at least 3 time servers, so that if one of them is wonky, you can outvote it 2:1. |
| 20:02.01 | kubast2 | teraflops I've allready supplied root.hints for unbound from ftp://FTP.INTERNIC.NET/domain/named.cache . I also know that Root Trust Anchor is avalible at https://data.iana.org/root-anchors/ But I don't know how to incorporate those files into unbound config and which files I need[I done most of configuring with a help of ArchWiki]. |
| 20:02.30 | greycat | There are many hundreds of computers around the world that have been set up in a public pool for NTP. |
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| 20:03.02 | greycat | A default recent-ish NTP setup will typically grab a few of these hosts randomly from the NTP pool and use those. |
| 20:03.12 | karlpinc` | The stock debian ntp install uses several ntp servers in the debian pool. |
| 20:03.42 | teraflops | ,v unbound-anchors |
| 20:03.43 | judd | No package named 'unbound-anchors' was found in amd64. |
| 20:03.52 | kubast2 | so I checked |
| 20:03.56 | kubast2 | and it's a part of unbound |
| 20:04.01 | kubast2 | unbound-anchors |
| 20:04.07 | kubast2 | my bad |
| 20:04.16 | teraflops | ,v unbound-anchor |
| 20:04.17 | judd | Package: unbound-anchor on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1.4.17-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.17-3+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4.17-3+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.22-1~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.4.22-3; jessie: 1.4.22-3; sid: 1.4.22-3; experimental: 1.5.3-1 |
| 20:04.25 | teraflops | kubast2: ^^ |
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| 20:05.50 | teraflops | kubast2: do you have a source of documentation for setting up dnssec validation? |
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| 20:06.35 | teraflops | or you are just experimenting |
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| 20:07.08 | kubast2 | I was helping myself with arch wiki and unbound.net [experimenting with deploying my own dns server] |
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| 20:07.41 | kubast2 | to be more precise I checked unbound.net recently |
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| 20:09.11 | teraflops | kubast2: so you want your bind to validate DNS sec? |
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| 20:10.36 | teraflops | if not. just use unbound as cache DNS + dnssec validation via dnscrypt. |
| 20:10.50 | teraflops | dnscrypt proxy* |
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| 20:14.35 | LordShiva | o/ |
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| 20:46.08 | macbooko | is there a GUI application that allows to create a bootable usb stick for *any* distro that your heart desires that works on debian jessie? something like unetbootin |
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| 20:52.26 | Carnag | I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but : Apache or nginx, and why ? |
| 20:52.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's wrong with lighttpd? |
| 20:52.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | or iis? [/me stifles laughter] |
| 20:53.05 | greycat | I dropped apache for nginx and am happy with it. |
| 20:53.26 | teraflops | I do nginx too |
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| 20:53.48 | squinty | macbooko, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ maybe a good source for that information |
| 20:53.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | depends on your use case. |
| 20:54.03 | CooloutAC | hello all, does anyone know if the extra profiles for apparmor in debian comes with a pidgin profile? |
| 20:54.25 | teraflops | I do nginx for all my use cases :P |
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| 20:55.34 | edoardo | Hi! |
| 20:55.46 | edoardo | I think i have something wrong on my server |
| 20:55.59 | edoardo | The memory usage is always at 100% |
| 20:56.04 | greycat | !free ram |
| 20:56.04 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:56.07 | SuperTramp83 | jeesus CooloutAC |
| 20:56.14 | SuperTramp83 | you really are a thing |
| 20:56.18 | SuperTramp83 | ain't you.. |
| 20:56.25 | CooloutAC | huh? |
| 20:56.31 | CooloutAC | lmao |
| 20:56.35 | edoardo | greycat: my other machine, same exact config, has ~400mb of ram used |
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| 20:56.38 | SuperTramp83 | you don't trust me? |
| 20:56.48 | CooloutAC | i don't trust anybody |
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| 20:56.56 | SuperTramp83 | well you can trust me |
| 20:57.02 | SuperTramp83 | but whatever.. |
| 20:57.05 | greycat | edoardo: it probably hasn't read enough disk files yet |
| 20:57.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's not what david duchovny told me. |
| 20:57.17 | edoardo | oh i'm stupid |
| 20:57.18 | edoardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.18 | edoardo | Mem: 1844 1788 55 210 0 1769 |
| 20:57.29 | edoardo | it's all cached... |
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| 20:57.42 | edoardo | curious, tho. i've never experienced something like it |
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| 21:00.39 | greycat | see also http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 21:00.43 | macbooko | squinty, thanks. will try yumi and live-usb-install |
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| 21:03.17 | Carnag | Also, does anybody know a good tuto explaining how to make nginx use a verified SSL certificate ? |
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| 21:06.57 | Nectur | I can't seem to get TestDisk to install |
| 21:07.00 | Nectur | http://paste.debian.net/287055/ |
| 21:07.24 | Nectur | it says i have the latest ntfs-3g |
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| 21:16.06 | Joey_Bellows | anyone in here know how to use debian live images? tried dd and several ISO image writing programs but my Debian USB sticks never seem to show up(any other linux distro does) |
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| 21:17.37 | Joey_Bellows | anyone in here know how to use debian live images? tried dd and several ISO image writing programs but my Debian USB sticks never seem to show up as bootable(any other linux distro does) |
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| 21:19.33 | Nectur | Joey mine works fine |
| 21:19.49 | SuperTramp83 | Joey_Bellows: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M |
| 21:20.01 | SuperTramp83 | if that doesn't work your USB stick has issues |
| 21:20.06 | Nectur | if it is USB3 it might have some issues booting |
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| 21:20.25 | Joey_Bellows | let me try that, nope its 2.0 |
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| 21:20.45 | SuperTramp83 | Joey_Bellows |
| 21:20.54 | SuperTramp83 | make sure you usb is sdb.. |
| 21:21.03 | SuperTramp83 | or sdc |
| 21:21.07 | SuperTramp83 | or whatever.. |
| 21:21.10 | prompt32 | >The most common error: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M |
| 21:21.19 | SuperTramp83 | right.. |
| 21:21.22 | Joey_Bellows | I tried sudo dd if=<file> of=/dev/sdb |
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| 21:23.51 | Joey_Bellows | USB is sdb |
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| 21:25.09 | prompt32 | SuperTramp83, u know how to pass the root=??? to the kernel, if i want to run the ISO, with the grub2, it starts ok, but the it fails, when try to read ... |
| 21:25.42 | Joey_Bellows | I do not know yet, still learning linux and want to move to debian |
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| 21:26.01 | prompt32 | ok, :) |
| 21:26.11 | SuperTramp83 | prompt32 I never had that issue. I wouldn't know.. |
| 21:26.40 | SuperTramp83 | Joey: it's GNU/linux |
| 21:26.47 | SuperTramp83 | just saying |
| 21:26.49 | SuperTramp83 | .. |
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| 21:27.24 | karlpinc` | prompt32: /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=root=.... |
| 21:27.40 | cxd13 | is it normal to need sudo to write an iso to flash drive with dd? |
| 21:27.41 | karlpinc` | prompt32: Then "update-grub". |
| 21:27.44 | cxd13 | mine doesn't work without it |
| 21:27.51 | prompt32 | ok, is because i try to make a usb, with some ISOs, (without 'dd' them), running from the grub2 boot menu ... |
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| 21:28.05 | Joey_Bellows | I can write Ubuntu, sparky, peppermint to the same USB stick and install/boot just fine but debian wont cooperate. I know but I want something that wont hold my hand as much |
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| 21:28.18 | prompt32 | karlpinc`, ... ^ |
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| 21:29.04 | karlpinc` | cxd13: You could make yourself a member of the "disk" group, then re-login. |
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| 21:29.36 | Joey_Bellows | seemed to write it, got [sudo] password for <user>: 127104+0 records in 104+0 records out 436207616 bytes (436 MB) copied, 125.572 s, 3.5 MB/s |
| 21:30.01 | cxd13 | karlpinc`: thanks |
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| 21:30.14 | r6ku | 436mb written? that doesn't sound right |
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| 21:30.25 | Joey_Bellows | nope but its attempting |
| 21:30.28 | ulrichard | / + 8 F P e - ] j y * D { | 4 ` | { { w S V 8 { k Y t , h h ~ F ; 0 3 w Y j a ( C P |
| 21:30.30 | ulrichard | c \ H G Z > m } _ D |
| 21:30.36 | ulrichard | e 2 F Y e O . h ? v H W ( s h ' h % A p x | ~ ; N v X 8 # / ! 1 A ! @ ! E @ H E |
| 21:30.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | ulrichard: fascinating. |
| 21:30.37 | ulrichard | 4 g p . / R r , T v ( |
| 21:30.43 | teraflops | oh boy |
| 21:30.43 | ulrichard | # d p C 3 ? p e j X [ . ; S t x z # ~ D j 1 " _ Y S Y / 2 A < ] = X d | 3 A Q r / i ' ] |
| 21:30.45 | ulrichard | ? < O Y , - 5 ! z i |
| 21:30.51 | ulrichard | P I J " " - . w y 9 P n \ A s @ U P q y ~ O % j k H _ J ^ j P S A % n Q ) k . w g |
| 21:30.53 | ulrichard | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.59 | ulrichard | j e b ) S j + " ~ E 9 I F b y r t ? u ) Y = ; } r & , < r H ] = b f R x Q S A |
| 21:31.01 | ulrichard | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.02 | cxd13 | karlpinc`: i don't mind using sudo, i just don't remember having to do that with debian 7 |
| 21:31.02 | Joey_Bellows | it says the ISO is that size |
| 21:31.03 | prompt32 | karlpinc`, the grub loops the iso, and then load the kernel, ok. i try the root=(loop), but when the kernel of the ISO, take control the (loop) make no sense ... |
| 21:31.07 | ulrichard | @ $ e u M - _ 2 v v ' 8 * Y V % A _ @ ! - @ y } % Y ] d a 4 E V & $ ) c > $ b s 6 l X I |
| 21:31.09 | ulrichard | v * < > . f s L X L q + |
| 21:31.10 | Joey_Bellows | I used the live image |
| 21:31.15 | ulrichard | ~ ^ g \ & ^ ( y " [ [ : S & 8 k 9 ` w ` z L O g Q b y Z R 8 - y _ L r r D s b > r , |
| 21:31.16 | ulrichard | x f " : S D ' Q I ~ } |
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| 21:31.21 | cxd13 | !ops |
| 21:31.22 | karlpinc` | !ops ulrichard is splattering the channel. |
| 21:31.22 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 21:31.22 | ulrichard | : 2 X n < S X q / H i O H ~ Y ! 8 G o Y ' L + ] m f T / e ` u } " ] H 7 < g ! q e ' n |
| 21:31.24 | ulrichard | I q ) E . , } d h |
| 21:31.30 | ulrichard | H A 0 $ t m W o d P u 5 E I ; ) ^ N 3 = x + P y < n * [ [ Q \ z 4 J S B I & a o y } 4 d |
| 21:31.32 | ulrichard | / z A n ~ : M r _ |
| 21:31.38 | prompt32 | ulrichard, |
| 21:31.38 | ulrichard | p } l k W = } u P x y R p A a X ^ ] Z ' F K p X f B ! [ 2 " B R " 4 w ; < t U \ / P G |
| 21:31.40 | ulrichard | + # ; W J \ h : ^ v |
| 21:31.40 | ulrichard | !ops karlpinc` is sexually harassing me |
| 21:31.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ulrichard complains about: karlpinc` is sexually harassing me |
| 21:31.46 | ulrichard | F j Y Y 6 { r i " I J { u ` " t [ j ' S U $ o o { [ C b e X I D & ? 7 m , ! * ( |
| 21:31.48 | ulrichard | l s x f s t { , |
| 21:31.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | lol |
| 21:31.54 | ulrichard | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.54 | cxd13 | lol |
| 21:31.55 | ulrichard | ~ C * $ ' < v e $ |
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| 21:33.15 | r6ku | Joey_Bellows: which iso are you using? could you md5sum the iso and show us the output? |
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| 21:33.36 | Joey_Bellows | im using the Debian standard ISO |
| 21:33.41 | Joey_Bellows | let me check |
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| 21:36.24 | Joey_Bellows | <comp>:~/Downloads$ md5sum debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso 2dcd0ae2006a8710892c1ac3d11da05a debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso |
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| 21:37.33 | r6ku | md5sum is correct atleast :/ |
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| 21:38.00 | Joey_Bellows | yep, DL from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 21:38.40 | Joey_Bellows | then tried Lili, unetbootin, DD and a few other programs to write to a usb stick |
| 21:39.02 | Joey_Bellows | any other distro works fine |
| 21:39.31 | nick[0] | Hi, I've set up a local repo with dpkg-scanpackages, and it works. When apt-get update runs inside of pbuilder it find the repo, but for some reason pbuilder won't use the versions of packages in my repo as build dependencies. :-( I've verified that there aren't any extraversions like ~bpo or ~nmu that would cause this, which is why I'm stumped |
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| 21:40.21 | r6ku | Joey_Bellows: is it makes you feel any better, the live iso on my VM boots to a console login prompt :p |
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| 21:40.35 | hexnewbie | Joey_Bellows: You could install Debian from another distro. In fact, I have used the Debian installer twice in my life, long after I was using Debian on multiple machines. |
| 21:40.45 | Joey_Bellows | holy shit it finally worked |
| 21:41.01 | Joey_Bellows | tried it on another box and it worked |
| 21:41.18 | Joey_Bellows | brb |
| 21:41.28 | hexnewbie | I am suspecting some EFI weird issues. |
| 21:41.58 | SuperTramp83 | probably yes |
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| 21:42.22 | r6ku | no wonder the image was only 436mb, it doesn't have gnome on it *facepalm* |
| 21:42.38 | hexnewbie | r6ku: That's a feature :) |
| 21:42.42 | SuperTramp83 | :) |
| 21:43.14 | Brigo | nick[0], may be asking in #debian-mentors i oftc network. |
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| 21:45.30 | nick[0] | Brigo: thanks! I didn't know that that's where it was |
| 21:45.47 | Brigo | nick[0], yw :) |
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| 21:48.07 | Joey_Bellows | so my laptop was using USB 3.0 controllers apparently I never even thought that would be an issue |
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| 21:49.00 | Joey_Bellows | never even thought to check tbh -__- |
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| 21:50.43 | squisher | nick[0], I'd try using --login with pbuider and then to manually run apt-cache policy |
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| 21:52.03 | Joey_Bellows | now i know usb 3.0 will kill debian installations |
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| 21:54.46 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: why would you want to install debian from another distro? |
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| 21:55.15 | hexnewbie | cxd13: There's an easier way? :) |
| 21:55.25 | cxd13 | yes, the debian installer |
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| 21:56.21 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Didn't feel much easier to me, and you can't watch a movie while installing. |
| 21:57.24 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Doesn't work on a computer without a keyboard and monitor, and having to shut down a working machine is an inconvenience either way |
| 21:57.31 | Joey_Bellows | holy shit encrypting debian takes forever |
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| 21:57.59 | cxd13 | Joey_Bellows: encrypting is fast. erasing empty space is slow |
| 21:58.02 | Joey_Bellows | well debian deleting the old data takes forever |
| 21:58.14 | hexnewbie | Joey_Bellows: It writes zeros to your drive when you install with encryption. I never understood why it does that, but you'd have to wait 4-5 hours until it completes |
| 21:58.15 | Joey_Bellows | got it out before i could |
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| 21:58.29 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: it's for security |
| 21:58.31 | SuperTramp83 | it will take some 20 hours.. |
| 21:58.35 | cra1g321 | ouch |
| 21:58.45 | Joey_Bellows | it writes them to make old data harder to retrieve i think |
| 21:58.46 | cxd13 | SuperTramp83: no it won't |
| 21:58.54 | SuperTramp83 | 15? |
| 21:58.55 | cxd13 | not unless he has a 5TB hard drive or something |
| 21:59.09 | cra1g321 | it says during the installer why |
| 21:59.20 | SuperTramp83 | I remember it took almost 20 when I did it last time |
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| 21:59.31 | Joey_Bellows | I wish, I want to build a linux rig sometime, im only on a 640GB laptop |
| 21:59.31 | r6ku | it took about 3½h on my 500gb hdd |
| 21:59.34 | SuperTramp83 | laptop from 2009 |
| 21:59.47 | cxd13 | SuperTramp83: maybe it depends on your processor |
| 21:59.47 | SuperTramp83 | 500 gb |
| 21:59.54 | SuperTramp83 | amd crap |
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| 22:00.06 | Joey_Bellows | mine is not going to be 3 hours, maybe 1? |
| 22:00.27 | cxd13 | mine was AMD and took maybe 1.5 hrs for around 350GB |
| 22:00.35 | Joey_Bellows | I hope only one |
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| 22:00.45 | SuperTramp83 | Though I'm not sure it was 20 hours. More than 10 for sure.. |
| 22:00.48 | cxd13 | there's a progress bar so you can estimate based on that |
| 22:00.54 | jhutchins | Joey_Bellows: A Debian desktop install is less than 10G. True for most Linux. |
| 22:01.26 | jhutchins | Joey_Bellows: Also, USB3 is NOT what caused your problem (which you never really explained). |
| 22:01.33 | Joey_Bellows | oh i know, most linux distros i have been hopping between are under 10GB |
| 22:01.47 | hexnewbie | Disk writing should be between 1.5 and 2.8 hours on 640 GB, which ought to be enough for anybody. However, if it is generating sensible random data it would probably take longer because your processor wouldn't spit out the data fast enough (?!) |
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| 22:02.13 | cxd13 | it's not random data. it's zeros |
| 22:02.29 | cxd13 | (i think) |
| 22:02.32 | Joey_Bellows | idk my problem, any other distro worked fine, I went into the BIOS and switched the USB cintrollers from 3.0 to automatic |
| 22:02.50 | Joey_Bellows | and then the USB showed as bootable |
| 22:03.03 | Joey_Bellows | wouldnt show as bootable with debian before |
| 22:03.14 | hexnewbie | cxd13: That would be even more difficult to explain. Random data at least hides where your data is (the value of which might be overstated). |
| 22:03.37 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Unless it's writing zeros to the encrypted volume, not the raw disk... |
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| 22:04.38 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: the installer erases only the volume the user set up for encryption, yes |
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| 22:05.03 | Joey_Bellows | or maybe adding the adding the bs= changed things? idk |
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| 22:05.37 | nick[0] | squisher: okie doke, will do. Thanks. |
| 22:05.37 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Which hopefully is the entire drive? :) I mean that writing zeros over the encrypted drive itself would produce data that looks random on the actual disk |
| 22:06.21 | Joey_Bellows | just go for a guntenberg delete, rewrite 100x over the data with random 1's and 0's |
| 22:07.08 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: /boot needs to be unencrypted. and many may dual boot from the same disk and therefore don't use FDE but encrypt only certain volumes |
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| 22:07.22 | cxd13 | the point isn't the hide the existence of an OS. it's to prevent access to the data in it |
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| 22:08.03 | hexnewbie | cxd13: The point is that /tmp and swap need to be encrypted, hence the name FDE. If we're going to split hairs further... |
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| 22:08.48 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Certainly skipping /boot from the encryption *won't* speed up the erase process. |
| 22:08.51 | Joey_Bellows | I just chose the all in one option for encryption |
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| 22:09.11 | Joey_Bellows | all under one dir, how much less secure is that? |
| 22:09.51 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: no it won't. and that wasn't even what we were talking about. i don't know why you are talking about speed now. and i don't even have swap or tmp partitions |
| 22:10.09 | cxd13 | just home, root, and boot |
| 22:10.36 | cxd13 | Joey_Bellows: it's not any less or more secure |
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| 22:10.57 | hexnewbie | cxd13: /tmp is on root, and some people think it is OK not to encrypt root by mistake |
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| 22:11.57 | cxd13 | it's ok to do whatever you want. someone people don't encrypt at all |
| 22:12.00 | Joey_Bellows | I want everything encrypted, im a bit paranoid |
| 22:12.51 | Joey_Bellows | more than a bit maybe |
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| 22:13.42 | nick[0] | speaking of FDE and paranoia: what is everyone's opinion on the FDE built into some business-class SSDs? |
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| 22:14.35 | Joey_Bellows | I like it, more encryption is better i think |
| 22:14.47 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Well, if you think it's OK to lose performance by encryption that is pointless... :) |
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| 22:15.01 | Joey_Bellows | esp with chinas rampant industrial espionage against american companies |
| 22:15.19 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: what are you talking about? you keep jumping around from one thing to another. it's hard to follow |
| 22:15.19 | Joey_Bellows | specifically defense companies |
| 22:15.27 | cra1g321 | esp with america's rampant industrial espionage against chinese companies |
| 22:15.30 | cra1g321 | ;) |
| 22:16.00 | Joey_Bellows | heh but im american I dont mind as much(still fucked up to do though) lol |
| 22:16.01 | hexnewbie | cxd13: I am not jumping anywhere. I keep repeating the same thing over and over. And you keep correcting me over word usage. |
| 22:16.28 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: then please drop it because talking to you it like trying to focus on a moving target |
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| 22:16.42 | hexnewbie | cxd13: If you don't encrypt /tmp (/, or wherever that is), the data from your /home partition ends up on your unencrypted root partition, making encryption pointless |
| 22:17.03 | hexnewbie | cxd13: Which is why Debian encrypts everything by default - which is the only thing I've said so far. |
| 22:17.14 | Joey_Bellows | i encrypted it all |
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| 22:17.27 | hexnewbie | cxd13: And "by default" I mean when you ask it to make an encrypted install. |
| 22:17.33 | Joey_Bellows | encryption is my friend |
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| 22:17.37 | Hydroxide | hardware-implemented FDE on SSDs can defend against some threat models just fine, but yeah not against others. Debian doesn't encrypt by default I believe but it does make it easy |
| 22:17.41 | nick[0] | Joey_Bellows: do you think it should be used in addition to LUKS, or that he built-in SSD FDE is sufficiently strong (and not backdoored!) |
| 22:17.58 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: how is that relevant to anything i was talking about? |
| 22:18.35 | Joey_Bellows | it depends on LUKS, how secure is it? |
| 22:18.54 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: I think the bigger risk with hardware SSD FDE is implementation bugs |
| 22:19.42 | hexnewbie | cxd13: I have no idea what you were talking about. |
| 22:20.28 | Joey_Bellows | I think I would trust LUKS over FDE from a manufacturer |
| 22:20.29 | nick[0] | Joey_Bellows: stronger than encfs and ecryptfs ;-) (from what I've read) Other than that, I'm not sure. |
| 22:20.32 | cxd13 | hexnewbie: exactly.. so i don't know why you seemed to respond to things i never said |
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| 22:20.48 | nick[0] | Hydroxide: that's a really good point. |
| 22:21.28 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: patches are more likely to get correctly debugged, released, noticed, and applied in LUKS, assuming it's not an inherent unfixable flaw in the design |
| 22:21.45 | Joey_Bellows | Manufacturer FDE probably wont be as strong, they most likely will want to implement the simplest cheapest option |
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| 22:22.14 | Joey_Bellows | as with most manufacturers money is the main goal not true security |
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| 22:23.04 | hexnewbie | cxd13: I felt the same way, TBH. :) Whatever. Sorry. |
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| 22:23.30 | rf203 | hello |
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| 22:23.34 | nick[0] | Hydroxide, Joey_Bellows: does that mean NIST certification is a marketting cert rather than a genuine audit? |
| 22:23.46 | hexnewbie | Hydroxide: Even an unfixable flaw in the design can be repaired by rewriting all the data, hopefully :) |
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| 22:24.54 | Hydroxide | hexnewbie: maybe, yeah :) |
| 22:25.03 | Hydroxide | hexnewbie: depends on available spare space |
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| 22:25.48 | Joey_Bellows | nick I have no clue, but given the amount of lobbying, money and shit in politics and government in general I wouldnt trust that alone, multiple certifications are better imho |
| 22:26.01 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: NIST produces so many standards, I don't think there's a single answer to that. NIST standards definitely don't claim that if you certify against them you've defended against all threats you care about |
| 22:26.32 | nick[0] | Hydroxide: oooh. So it |
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| 22:26.58 | hexnewbie | Hydroxide: If you're daring, you could rewrite the data without spare space. Read the old encrypted data and immediately overwrite it with the new. :) There are even ways to reduce risks of data loss, but I guess ensuring security is more important in either case |
| 22:27.08 | Joey_Bellows | I don't have great faith in anything .gov tbh, but then again that could be an error in judgement |
| 22:27.11 | nick[0] | Hydroxide: so it's more "if you implement this, we'll certify you" rather than a company paying the NIST to audit their impementation |
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| 22:27.52 | rf203 | i'm tryng to install kde-full on jessie but appears http://paste.debian.net/287069/ |
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| 22:28.20 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: my understanding of how NIST certifications work is that that the standard exists, and you pay some company (maybe authorized by whoever is requesting the certification or by NIST themselves) to look at what you've done, maybe give them some questionnaire answers or access to your source code or binary executables, and they examine it and say this meets the spec |
| 22:28.28 | rf203 | how can i repair held broken packages? |
| 22:28.36 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: and then you show that certification to whoever is trying to comply with NIST standards, saying "yes our stuff meets the spec" |
| 22:28.40 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: "they say so!" |
| 22:29.04 | Hydroxide | nick[0]: that's at least the pattern for most certifications to most standards |
| 22:29.08 | Joey_Bellows | I think I trust open source over one agency/company looking at something and saying its good |
| 22:29.21 | Hydroxide | Joey_Bellows: I don't think NIST typically certifies implementations themselves. I'd be shocked if they had the manpower :) |
| 22:29.37 | Hydroxide | but I could be wrong. |
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| 22:32.02 | rf203 | please anyone can help? |
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| 22:32.28 | ha | mtn yes I can log from tty |
| 22:32.55 | Hydroxide | suggests we put the encryption / NIST discussion on hold - it's off-topic at this point and we should leave room for supporting Debian users like rf203 and ha :) |
| 22:33.03 | nick[0] | Joey_Bellows: generally I do |
| 22:33.07 | nick[0] | agrees |
| 22:33.11 | mtn | ha sounds like a video driver problem |
| 22:33.24 | ha | gmd loads |
| 22:33.34 | Hydroxide | rf203: can I suggest trying apt-get update first |
| 22:33.50 | rf203 | hi Hydroxide i try that |
| 22:33.51 | Hydroxide | rf203: and if that doesn't solve it, could you share your /etc/apt/sources.list and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 22:33.53 | mtn | ha, yes and your desktop does not. so, it might be video. not sure what else it could be |
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| 22:34.20 | nick[0] | rf203: and put the output of apt-get update in a pastebin so we can see the errors |
| 22:34.22 | ha | mtn, gdm already loads the video driver |
| 22:34.36 | nick[0] | rf203: err, the apt-get upgrade I mean! |
| 22:34.54 | mtn | ha, but are you using the correct video driver? gdm does not load any drivers at all |
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| 22:35.08 | rf203 | nick[0] made that too |
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| 22:36.10 | ha | mtn gdm loads the driver as far as I am aware |
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| 22:36.39 | r6ku | rf203: try opening up aptitude or synaptic and look at their suggestions on how to solve the broken packages issue |
| 22:36.44 | mtn | ha, it could surely be something else, but I don't know what it might be. |
| 22:36.53 | ha | ok thank you |
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| 22:37.33 | Joey_Bellows | any suggestion on a good environment? installing the standard Debian but could use some suggestions on environment |
| 22:37.39 | rf203 | i have only deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 22:37.39 | rf203 | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 22:37.39 | rf203 | ~ |
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| 22:38.03 | rf203 | ups |
| 22:38.04 | rf203 | sorry |
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| 22:38.18 | digdilem | Joey_Bellows, do you mean window manager? |
| 22:38.25 | r6ku | rf203: https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:38.25 | Joey_Bellows | yes |
| 22:38.36 | r6ku | openbox? :p |
| 22:38.47 | rf203 | i have only http://paste.debian.net/287071/ |
| 22:38.51 | digdilem | Joey_Bellows, cinnamon's nice. also xfce. both lightweight and easy. gnome's gone a bit weird but kde is ok with plenty of toys |
| 22:38.52 | Joey_Bellows | idk i tried gnome but i couldnt get into it really |
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| 22:39.43 | Joey_Bellows | cinnamon I tried with Mint and liked it, XFCE is ok |
| 22:40.19 | digdilem | i tried all the ones in jessie's repos at the weekend. those were the top billers from my point of view |
| 22:40.42 | Joey_Bellows | dont stone me but I actually kind of like Unity in a weird way |
| 22:41.39 | Joey_Bellows | Ill look into cinnamon and xfce |
| 22:41.51 | rf203 | on synaptic i select full-kde and appears Could not apply changes! fix broken packages first |
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| 22:42.41 | mtn | rf203, you can fix broken packages using synaptic. look under Edit, I think. not in debian at the moment |
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| 22:43.13 | rf203 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 22:43.13 | rf203 | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 22:43.13 | rf203 | E: Unable to correct dependencies |
| 22:43.13 | rf203 | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 22:43.26 | rf203 | sorry again |
| 22:43.46 | rf203 | http://paste.debian.net/287074/ |
| 22:44.05 | rf203 | i try that before but appears that msg http://paste.debian.net/287074/ |
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| 22:45.19 | nick[0] | Joey_Bellows: I know what you mean. The only thing I could liken it to was the warm and fuzzy feeling that some of the alternative (manufacturer installed) shells on Win95 were going for. eg: Epson had a nifty one |
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| 22:46.07 | Joey_Bellows | yeah idk, it was weird but it wasnt a bad weird i cant explain it |
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| 22:46.57 | rf203 | ok thanks a lot |
| 22:48.01 | mtn | rf203, google: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 22:48.26 | mtn | rf203, really should put debian at the beginning. you will see articles about your problem |
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| 22:49.47 | rf203 | thanks mtn |
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| 22:50.26 | rf203 | help me a lot |
| 22:51.03 | Joey_Bellows | jesus this data overwrite might actually take several hours |
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| 22:58.19 | ZeuZ | Guys, could it be that the default sendmail.mc is broken? I just installed the package, and m4 complained building the default configuration |
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| 23:02.42 | squisher | ZeuZ, seems unlikely. Are you sure you did not have old configuration files lying around before installing sendmail? Otherwise you should paste the errors that you got |
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| 23:44.30 | pankid | why are the defaults when installing debian from a netinstall to install a print server and desktop, but no ssh? Seems like the most common use for debian is as a server. |
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| 23:45.06 | Equa | pankid: you can select it during tasksel |
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| 23:45.39 | pankid | yeah, I always deselect desktop and print, then select ssh. I am just saying it seems like the defaults should be for ssh and no print or desktop because debian is primarily used for servers. |
| 23:46.13 | Equa | perhaps for case but not others |
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| 23:48.41 | vivid | i think the recent gtk3 update in stretch has affected gtk applications under kde |
| 23:48.46 | vivid | anyone know a solution? |
| 23:49.39 | youngwolf | hey anyone use urxvt here? |
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| 23:49.50 | cra1g321 | vivid might be good idea to elaborate more |
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| 23:51.41 | youngwolf | when use an visualizer from terminal like cava on urxvt I see the cursor keep switching randomnly on the window. Whereas in termite and xfcetermial it doesnt happen |
| 23:51.42 | vivid | oh the gtk themes are just unusable now |
| 23:51.51 | vivid | cant see slider bars or checkboxes etc |
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| 23:51.54 | youngwolf | what needs to be configured on urxvt config? |
| 23:52.06 | vivid | if i change it off of oxygen-gtk it becomes usable, but obviously unthemed ugly |
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| 23:52.34 | vivid | seems to be a result of the gtk3 updates that i got probably yesterday i think |
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| 23:59.42 | squisher | vivid, afaik gtk3 updates, even minor ones, break themes |
| 23:59.54 | squisher | so you may just have to be a bit patient there |
