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| 06:46.46 | gaurishankar_ | hello |
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| 06:47.48 | gaurishankar_ | can any one help me to find who edited the File last in Debin linux samba server |
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| 06:51.15 | rue_house | anyone know if there is something about new lonovo laptops that makes them randomly shut down? |
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| 06:55.56 | gaurishankar_ | how to check who edited the File last in Debian Linux |
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| 06:56.51 | gaurishankar_ | can any one help e to find who edited the file last |
| 06:57.49 | rue_house | I dotn know any way you can find that out |
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| 06:58.11 | gaurishankar_ | oh my God |
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| 06:58.46 | gaurishankar_ | but at least some thing should be thre to know what happened and who did it |
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| 06:59.23 | rue_house | no if the file existed then anyone with permission to it could have changed the contents |
| 06:59.34 | rue_house | and the only thing that would change is the modified time |
| 07:00.10 | gaurishankar_ | I want to know the name of the user who modified it last , |
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| 07:00.41 | rue_house | a file system isn't a revision control system |
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| 07:01.20 | gaurishankar_ | i am on debian 8, with samba |
| 07:01.33 | Stummi | gaurishankar_, thats not possible to find out |
| 07:01.35 | rue_house | do you know why my brand new laptop randomly shuts off? |
| 07:01.53 | gaurishankar_ | no sir |
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| 07:02.22 | herrding211 | battery issues, probably |
| 07:02.29 | rue_house | no its plugged in |
| 07:02.45 | rue_house | its a lenovo, its BRAND new |
| 07:02.47 | gaurishankar_ | could be harddisk malfuctioning as well |
| 07:02.49 | rue_house | G50 |
| 07:02.58 | Stummi | "suddenly sut off" could also be a heating problem |
| 07:03.03 | Stummi | *shut |
| 07:03.12 | rue_house | a harddrive error wont cause linux to shut off |
| 07:03.28 | rue_house | Stummi, I installed lm-sensors but it couldn't find anything |
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| 07:03.33 | rue_house | ideas? |
| 07:03.43 | Stummi | rue_house, have you run sensors-detect? |
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| 07:03.58 | gaurishankar_ | i am having the same issue in my sony vaio laptop with Widnows |
| 07:04.00 | rue_house | I think I did, it couldn't find anything |
| 07:04.09 | gaurishankar_ | suddelnly it shuts off |
| 07:04.15 | rue_house | ugh |
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| 07:04.34 | rue_house | I needed a working laptop |
| 07:04.48 | Stummi | rue_house, what kind of lenovo? |
| 07:04.55 | rue_house | G50 |
| 07:04.58 | Stummi | at least thinkpads normally work fine with linux |
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| 07:05.21 | gaurishankar_ | But analysisi shows that it is hard disk issue and after chaning the hard disk also the same probem occured, but frequeny is less |
| 07:05.48 | rue_house | I can pull the hard drive out while linux is runnig and the laptop wont shut off |
| 07:05.55 | rue_house | usually linux will keep running too |
| 07:06.01 | rue_house | it'll just be REALLY annoyed |
| 07:07.02 | gaurishankar_ | whats is the the error "failed to initialise DMA devices, ignoring, " debian 8 |
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| 07:07.28 | gaurishankar_ | this i am getting on My linux server when I shut it down |
| 07:07.37 | rue_house | it couldn't get the memory transfer optimizer working |
| 07:08.24 | gaurishankar_ | so what could be the implication of it |
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| 07:08.41 | rue_house | slow performance while shutting down |
| 07:09.10 | gaurishankar_ | it shuts down immediately. |
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| 07:09.28 | rue_house | maybe to you, to a 1.8Ghz processor it takes FOREVER |
| 07:09.31 | gaurishankar_ | there wont be any data loss or some hing serious to worry about it |
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| 07:09.57 | rue_house | its ignoring the error, so I'd say your safe |
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| 07:10.13 | gaurishankar_ | no it is dual core wit 2 gb |
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| 07:10.49 | rue_house | ya know, my lenovo is supposed to be dual core, but linux found 4 cpu's |
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| 07:11.08 | DrDisconsented | It will have hyper threading |
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| 07:12.18 | gaurishankar_ | thanks for clearing my doubt to all of you. |
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| 07:13.10 | rue_house | I think it might be harddrive activity related tho |
| 07:13.27 | rue_house | every timeit happened there was a bunch of activity on the drive |
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| 07:14.14 | rue_house | its ben sitting idle for 33 mins with no shutdown, I'll run badblocks and see what happens |
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| 07:17.02 | DeadalusHD | Hmm I messed up with the permissions. ven as sudo I'm not able to rm or mv files from /online/www |
| 07:17.06 | DeadalusHD | Any ideas? |
| 07:17.40 | XeonSquared | sudo su |
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| 07:17.43 | XeonSquared | then try |
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| 07:18.29 | DeadalusHD | Permission denied :S |
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| 07:18.59 | XeonSquared | DeadalusHD: chown it? |
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| 07:19.44 | DeadalusHD | XeonSquared: I would but... Operation not permitted |
| 07:20.05 | herrding211 | Maybe it's write protected |
| 07:20.08 | Equa | DeadalusHD: what are you trying to do? remove many files or just one file? |
| 07:20.10 | herrding211 | try lsattr /online |
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| 07:21.15 | DeadalusHD | herrding211: -------------e-- /online/www |
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| 07:22.19 | DeadalusHD | Equa: I wan't my old permissions back. I'Ãm not able to move or remove anything out of /online/ and if I'm copying something out of there it got the same weird permissions |
| 07:22.22 | DeadalusHD | *want |
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| 07:23.09 | Equa | DeadalusHD: what is your old permissions? do ls -l /path/to/online/www |
| 07:24.08 | DeadalusHD | Equa: you mean that? drwxr-xr-x 17 stpuser www-data 4096 Jul 31 09:12 www |
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| 07:24.46 | Equa | DeadalusHD: are you stpuser? |
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| 07:26.02 | DeadalusHD | Equa: I'm logged in as User 'Dead' with full sudo access. I also tried to chown the folder to root and do sudo su |
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| 07:27.07 | Equa | DeadalusHD: as a test: sudo rm filename |
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| 07:27.40 | DeadalusHD | Dead@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin$ sudo rm index.php |
| 07:27.40 | DeadalusHD | rm: cannot remove âindex.phpâ: Permission denied |
| 07:27.57 | Equa | DeadalusHD: ls -l index.php |
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| 07:28.18 | DeadalusHD | Equa: -rwxr-xr-x 1 stpuser www-data 46 Apr 5 16:34 index.php |
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| 07:28.59 | soloyo | hello how to find the url of jessie-backports to add to /etc/apt source lists files? |
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| 07:29.15 | nkuttler | !tell soloyo about backports |
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| 07:29.41 | nkuttler | !tell soloyo about jessie backports |
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| 07:32.55 | herrding211 | try sudo whoami. Maybe, just maybe, you got pwned |
| 07:33.17 | DeadalusHD | Dead@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin$ sudo whoami |
| 07:33.17 | DeadalusHD | root |
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| 07:34.23 | DeadalusHD | and without sudo I'm listed as User 'Dead' |
| 07:34.40 | DeadalusHD | so I think thats correct |
| 07:34.50 | Equa | DeadalusHD: try sudo rm -f index.php |
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| 07:35.11 | DeadalusHD | Dead@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin$ sudo rm -f index.php |
| 07:35.11 | DeadalusHD | rm: cannot remove âindex.phpâ: Permission denied |
| 07:35.22 | Qann | sudo rm -f ./index.php |
| 07:35.44 | DeadalusHD | Permission denied |
| 07:35.47 | DeadalusHD | :| |
| 07:35.53 | DeadalusHD | thats weird |
| 07:36.11 | Equa | DeadalusHD: su and change into root. then try to delete the file |
| 07:36.17 | Qann | Can't you become root? |
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| 07:37.08 | Barre | I'm trying to install debian from 8.1.0 netinstall media and select manual at the disk configuration, The only preconfigured lvm volumes I can select as installation targets are of type Linear, no other volumes are listed. I see them when I select "configure LVM" but I can't use them as installation targets. Any ideas on how I should proceed? |
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| 07:37.29 | herrding211 | Are you sure the permissions of the directory are correct? |
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| 07:38.07 | DeadalusHD | herrding211: I'm not, but cant change them via chmod |
| 07:38.08 | DeadalusHD | root@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin# rm -f index.php |
| 07:38.08 | DeadalusHD | rm: cannot remove âindex.phpâ: Permission denied |
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| 07:39.33 | Qann | lsattr index.php |
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| 07:40.55 | DeadalusHD | Qann: root@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin# lsattr index.php |
| 07:40.56 | DeadalusHD | -------------e-- index.php |
| 07:41.18 | Qann | lsattr ./ |
| 07:41.30 | Qann | sorry, check the directory for attributes. |
| 07:41.35 | Qann | Is this a mount? |
| 07:42.28 | DeadalusHD | Qann: its not ^^ Its a normally created folder via mkdir and then I messed up with something and broke it |
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| 07:43.25 | Qann | try chattr -i index.php rm -f ./index.php |
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| 07:44.36 | DeadalusHD | root@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin# chattr -i index.php |
| 07:44.37 | DeadalusHD | root@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin# rm -f index.php |
| 07:44.37 | DeadalusHD | rm: cannot remove âindex.phpâ: Permission denied |
| 07:45.12 | DeadalusHD | I think I added a sticky a while ago, maybe thats the cause?! |
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| 07:46.11 | herrding211 | check the directories upwards in the hierarchy too |
| 07:46.43 | Lewoco | What is the easiest way to view performance history over the last few minutes, hours, days? |
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| 07:47.28 | Qann | Lewoco: uptime? You can see the load |
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| 07:48.53 | DeadalusHD | herrding211: the dir is under / --> online/ so there is not rly a upwards dir ^^ |
| 07:49.26 | Equa | DeadalusHD: check online. lsattr online |
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| 07:49.34 | Lewoco | Qann, Is theresomething that shows me a pretty graph? And over a longer time period? |
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| 07:50.37 | Qann | Lewoco: Sure there is. If you google and install it. There's no inbuilt one. There are many tools like that, you should find something that fits your needs. |
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| 07:53.01 | Equa | DeadalusHD: can you remove other files from different directory? is it a mount point with read-only? |
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| 07:53.37 | herrding211 | If it's a mount be sure to add "umask=0 0 0" in fstab |
| 07:53.51 | herrding211 | Are you using SELinux or some other sort of access control? |
| 07:54.13 | Qann | DeadalusHD: lsattr -R /online/www/pastebin |
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| 07:54.31 | Qann | IS alll you see -----------------e-- |
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| 07:55.21 | Qann | Or do you get some permission denied errors |
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| 07:59.35 | DeadalusHD | root@serverWL:/online/www/pastebin# lsattr -R /online/www/pastebin |
| 07:59.35 | DeadalusHD | -------------e-- /online/www/pastebin/index.php |
| 07:59.35 | DeadalusHD | -------------e-- /online/www/pastebin/paste |
| 07:59.43 | DeadalusHD | @ Qann |
| 08:00.08 | DeadalusHD | herrding211: nope I'm not using SeLinux or something similiar |
| 08:00.53 | Qann | Why don't you just copy the content you don't wanna delete and remove the whole directory. I can't understand why you can't delete. :D |
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| 08:02.10 | DeadalusHD | Qann: because If I copy the files they still got the attributes that I can't delete them |
| 08:02.35 | DeadalusHD | and also I have for some reason no permission to mv files from that folder |
| 08:03.25 | herrding211 | use cat to copy the file without the permissions |
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| 08:06.31 | DeadalusHD | I think I chmod'ed 1755 and added chattr +i to the folder, any undo possiblilities? :X |
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| 08:06.58 | Equa | DeadalusHD: use chattr -i folder |
| 08:07.42 | Equa | DeadalusHD: check each of the directory above it as well |
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| 08:08.34 | DeadalusHD | O M G thank you guys for the help, rm works now again and everything else :X |
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| 08:09.17 | DeadalusHD | *happy-face* |
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| 08:17.22 | mi11k1 | how do I give a bridge an address so i can connect to that machine? |
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| 08:18.54 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: how did you make the bridge ? / how do you wish to assign it ? |
| 08:19.05 | Qantourisc | (manualy or using the debian-network config files ?) |
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| 08:20.33 | mi11k1 | basically used this, http://pastebin.com/njRZarc4 |
| 08:20.43 | mi11k1 | and hostapd calls it i guess |
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| 08:21.55 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: from what I recall from using debian: that looks correct |
| 08:22.10 | mi11k1 | but, i cant connect to the machine now |
| 08:22.11 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: is br0 "up" ? |
| 08:22.23 | mi11k1 | used nmap and its not there |
| 08:22.24 | Qantourisc | ifup br0 iirc |
| 08:22.36 | mi11k1 | but, the wlan is giving ips |
| 08:22.37 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: also to debug |
| 08:23.10 | Qantourisc | ip addr add 192.168.1.free dev eth1 |
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| 08:23.16 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: then you can connect remotely |
| 08:23.37 | Qantourisc | replace free with a free address + /24 |
| 08:23.52 | mi11k1 | iipconfig? |
| 08:24.10 | Qantourisc | never used iipconfig |
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| 08:24.33 | mi11k1 | see, its a headless, and not very accessible, will have to go connect via serial |
| 08:24.52 | Qantourisc | all the more reason to just add a IP address to the actual nic |
| 08:25.01 | Qantourisc | on top of adding an ip address to the bridge |
| 08:25.07 | Qantourisc | (iirc that's possible) |
| 08:25.10 | Qantourisc | but not "sane" |
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| 08:25.40 | mi11k1 | " ip addr add" thats a command? |
| 08:25.58 | mi11k1 | never seen it, ill check it out |
| 08:26.22 | tlolczyk | How can I reset the usb bus? |
| 08:26.26 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: you can use also ifconfig |
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| 08:27.14 | mi11k1 | if im lucky i can plug in eth1 and it will get an IP |
| 08:27.27 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: not with that config :D |
| 08:28.00 | mi11k1 | tohhh, theres typos in there |
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| 08:28.10 | mi11k1 | its cut/paste from a website |
| 08:28.32 | mi11k1 | mine is better, i think eth1 is dhcp |
| 08:28.41 | mi11k1 | eth0 wlan1 is my bridge |
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| 08:29.10 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: you are trying to get in from wlan ??? |
| 08:29.17 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: first use a hard cable |
| 08:29.26 | mi11k1 | no, i was trying hostapd |
| 08:29.27 | Qantourisc | some wirelss cards don't support bridge |
| 08:29.52 | mi11k1 | well, I can connect to it through wlan0 as a AP |
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| 08:30.17 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: then it's working, good |
| 08:30.18 | mi11k1 | im trying through the hardwire |
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| 08:30.36 | mi11k1 | well, expept eth0 now doesnt have an IP |
| 08:30.53 | mi11k1 | so, yah, the bridge is working, but i dont have access now |
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| 08:30.58 | Qantourisc | sorry, you will have to serial it up |
| 08:31.15 | mi11k1 | unless i plug eth1 and get lucky |
| 08:31.25 | Qantourisc | well try your luck already :D |
| 08:32.09 | mi11k1 | yah, its on another floor, will me 10 min |
| 08:32.31 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: have a manpage on the device ? |
| 08:32.47 | mi11k1 | what do you mean? |
| 08:32.53 | mi11k1 | man interfaces? |
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| 08:33.16 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: as in "man ifconfig" or "man ip" etc |
| 08:33.36 | Qantourisc | either of those tools can be used to set an ip manually once |
| 08:33.43 | mi11k1 | yah, probably. i usually just google my query |
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| 08:34.11 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: you just need some time with the device to fix your issue :p |
| 08:34.31 | mi11k1 | it took a bunch of time to break it |
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| 08:34.45 | mi11k1 | should have left it alone |
| 08:34.57 | Qantourisc | break it until you stop breaking it |
| 08:35.03 | Qantourisc | then you are ready to use it in production :p |
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| 08:35.37 | mi11k1 | my modem/router is a piece, so i tried making that an access point |
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| 08:35.59 | mi11k1 | need to go buy good AP |
| 08:36.10 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: good luck finding those :p |
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| 08:36.27 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: well ap's are easier |
| 08:36.32 | Qantourisc | routers are a disaster |
| 08:36.48 | Qantourisc | even the cisco docsis3 modem at home is a disaster |
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| 08:36.55 | Qantourisc | dropping TCP connections ! |
| 08:36.56 | mi11k1 | thats what it is |
| 08:37.01 | mi11k1 | PIECE!! |
| 08:37.09 | Qantourisc | mi11k1: what is a "piece" ? |
| 08:37.23 | mi11k1 | exactly what it is |
| 08:37.24 | mi11k1 | cisco docsis3 |
| 08:37.41 | mi11k1 | thats the whole reason why i started playing with hostapd |
| 08:37.50 | mi11k1 | ans made this bridge |
| 08:38.00 | mi11k1 | cause of that goddamn modem |
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| 08:51.59 | fUNKIAM` | hi lads |
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| 09:05.02 | ex-parrot | anyone run in to problems with jessie on "resume" from suspend-to-RAM bringing up X as far as being able to move the mouse cursor, but blank black display otherwise? |
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| 09:05.15 | ex-parrot | can switch out to another VT and the system works just fine, just X is borked until I reboot |
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| 09:05.24 | ex-parrot | this is a ThinkPad T60 with libreboot |
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| 09:07.07 | miskatonic | after startx, I can't return to the virtual console from where I started x. X appears to run now on the same tty from where it was started, wheareas it used to run on tty7 and above. Is that a bug? |
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| 09:08.07 | ex-parrot | if you start X with `startx' it'll run on your VT, miskatonic |
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| 09:08.21 | ex-parrot | if it's started from a display manager like gdm it'll appear on a specific VT |
| 09:09.06 | miskatonic | this was not the case in wheezy, where the first X11 ran on tty7 |
| 09:09.18 | CissWit | miskatonic: i noticed that too when i installed jessie. It's not really anoying so i didn't try to investigate that and if i could get the old behavior back |
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| 09:09.36 | CissWit | i don't think it's a bug, just a new default |
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| 09:10.06 | ex-parrot | I suspect it's to do with the way the logind stuff handles permissions |
| 09:10.50 | ex-parrot | with the new "multi seat" stuff |
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| 09:12.53 | miskatonic | so it is not possible to return to the old behaviour? |
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| 09:29.14 | ex-parrot | ok upgrading to 4.0 fixes it |
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| 09:38.08 | zvasafsaf | Does the Debian GUI installer give the option to encrypt your /home dirctory with ecryptfs on setup? I love that feature in Ubuntu, it makes it so easy to encrypt all your personal files. |
| 09:39.48 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, afair no, but it's trivially easy to do after installation |
| 09:39.55 | pgell | Hello. What file-system type have a debian live partition created on an usb stick? |
| 09:40.48 | zvasafsaf | colo-work:So it is easy to set it up like in Ubuntu where you decrypt and login with one password? |
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| 09:41.03 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, yes. |
| 09:41.31 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder |
| 09:41.35 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas if usign `wget` I can get the entire directory contents? For example, I have a repository of *.deb files, I need to grab all of them in a certain dir. Is that possible? |
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| 09:41.59 | colo-work | hid3, look into the "--mirror" (and "--no-parent") option |
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| 09:42.32 | hid3 | great, thanks! |
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| 09:48.50 | pgell | Hello. Coul somebody help me? I want to know what file-system type have a debian live partition created on an usb stick |
| 09:49.39 | pgell | ... Or how can i mount it |
| 09:52.23 | zvasafsaf | How do I decide between Ubuntu LTS and Debian Stable? What sort of things should I take into consideration in my decision? |
| 09:52.34 | zvasafsaf | Does Debian have more supported packages? |
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| 09:53.22 | Qann | If you want more stable but old packages, debian. If you want shiny new stuff and new packages, ubuntu. |
| 09:54.00 | colo-work | Debian 8 Jessie is built of more recent components than Ubuntu 14.04 is. |
| 09:54.14 | Qann | I was thinking of 7, Wheezy ^^ |
| 09:54.15 | colo-work | (14.04 being the latest Ubuntu LTS release. the next one willb e16.04, afaik.) |
| 09:54.21 | colo-work | will be* |
| 09:54.58 | zvasafsaf | Qann:No I mean LTS Ubuntu and Debian stable, I know they both have older packages |
| 09:55.04 | zvasafsaf | Qann:What distro should I use? |
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| 09:56.02 | zvasafsaf | What is more stable and better supported, Ubuntu LTS or Debian Stable? |
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| 09:56.27 | Qann | zvasafsaf: as colowork mentioned, Debian 8 is newer. All depends on your use and choices. For a server I use Debian but for home, I can use ubuntu. Debian is usually more stable. |
| 09:56.43 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: that's really up to you to decide. ultimately, if you need a longer lifecycle debian plus lts support might not be as long as ubuntu |
| 09:57.19 | nkuttler | if you ask me, debian is far more stable. but what do you expect in #debian.. |
| 09:57.38 | Qann | nkuttler: exactly :D |
| 09:57.47 | colo-work | Qann, Ubuntu only supports a very small part ofthe distribution's repositories with security fixes; multiverse and universe are excluded |
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| 09:58.00 | zvasafsaf | Does Debian have better support for non-standard packages than Ubuntu? Like all the 50k packages which aren't a core part of the default DE experience? |
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| 09:58.19 | zvasafsaf | colo-work:And Debian supports ALL of the repos? |
| 09:58.23 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: there are no non-standard packages in debian |
| 09:58.37 | zvasafsaf | So Debian has a lot more supported software in its repos? |
| 09:58.48 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, well, nonfree can't be supported as good as main can; but in general, yes |
| 09:59.07 | zvasafsaf | colo-work:I mean all the stuff in multiverse and universe |
| 09:59.08 | colo-work | Debian main contains a lot more software than Ubuntu's "main" (I forgot its name) repo |
| 09:59.19 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, Debian doesn't have uni- and multiverse |
| 09:59.24 | Qann | Debian is stable because it doesn't accept most of those to it's repos. You have to compile if you need something bad. |
| 09:59.30 | zvasafsaf | colo-work:Why does Ubuntu then? |
| 09:59.39 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: ask #ubuntu |
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| 10:00.03 | Qann | Google "compare debian and ubuntu" |
| 10:00.09 | colo-work | zvasafsaf, they take most of Debian's packages and push them into uni- and multiverse. a select few packages they deem particularly important (or cannot do without) go into the core Ubuntu repo. |
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| 10:00.40 | Qann | zvasafsaf: If it is for home use, go with Ubuntu, you'll be happy. |
| 10:00.43 | miskatonic | debian is freeer than ubuntu |
| 10:00.44 | colo-work | that's just so that the effort becomes managable, I guess. save expences by not by not having to do the work. |
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| 10:01.22 | nkuttler | Qann: please don't do that |
| 10:01.26 | zvasafsaf | Qann:Ubuntu LTS with nVidia driver backports looks promising, but I am worried about how well the non-main packages will work, as I don't intend on using Unity |
| 10:01.48 | zvasafsaf | nkuttler:What did he do? |
| 10:02.04 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: recommend ubuntu over debian in #debian |
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| 10:02.46 | Qann | nkuttler: Don't forget Ubuntu is based on Debian ;) I'm not throwing the stone that far away after all :D |
| 10:02.55 | smartass | hi, is the xsltproc binary teh same thing that sued to be called xslt? is it safe just to create a symlink for it? |
| 10:03.27 | zvasafsaf | nkuttler:I can definitely see how Ubuntu should be recommended over Debian to people with very little experience with computers, so I don't think it is unreasonable to recommend Ubuntu here |
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| 10:03.45 | Qann | nkuttler: Also, I think there's no need to be fanatics. For newbies, Ubuntu looks easier. Then they grow curious and turn back to the good ol' debbie. |
| 10:04.05 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: Qann: this belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 10:04.34 | zvasafsaf | nkuttler:Tried that, was told "support questions belong in #debian" |
| 10:04.34 | miskatonic | no, ubuntu only looks easy to people brainwashed by Bill Gates and Steve Jobs |
| 10:04.44 | rozie | zvasafsaf: don't agree. Ubuntu may look easier/more friendly, but debugging is harder, it's less stable and IMVHO more complicated |
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| 10:05.00 | nkuttler | smartass: check which package it belongs to, and where xslt came from? |
| 10:05.41 | zvasafsaf | rozie:Even LTS is less stable? |
| 10:05.46 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: debian support questions belong here. if you need help chosing a distro try ##linux |
| 10:05.50 | zvasafsaf | LTS is the extra stable version though |
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| 10:07.04 | rozie | zvasafsaf: c'mon, you want new users to use LTS? |
| 10:07.19 | bazhang | zvasafsaf, saying you like ubuntu in #debian, and the reverse in #ubuntu |
| 10:07.21 | zvasafsaf | rozie:Why not? |
| 10:07.30 | zvasafsaf | bazhang:I like both |
| 10:07.31 | rozie | old software |
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| 10:07.54 | bazhang | zvasafsaf, you are recommending the opposite in each channel |
| 10:07.59 | Qann | Sure, but I'm gonna shutup. :D Needless discussion. zvasafsaf: Debian is more stable. If you want your server to run without the need for painkillers. That's it. More software support it as well. There's a reason ubuntu is based on debian afterall. What ubuntu has more is all that shiny stuff and they usually break. |
| 10:08.29 | bazhang | zvasafsaf, take this to an offtopic channel, in belongs in neither support channel |
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| 10:11.40 | rozie | zvasafsaf: Ubuntu has some things made better. Some worse. It's just different distro/OS. You can recommend Windows to "people with very little experience with computers". It "works" as well. |
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| 10:15.46 | SynrG | zvasafsaf: please don't misrepresent me. your #debian-offtopic question was: |
| 10:15.50 | SynrG | <zvasafsaf> Does the Debian GUI installer give the option to encrypt your /home dirctory with ecryptfs on setup? |
| 10:15.53 | SynrG | which i directed here. |
| 10:16.15 | smartass | nkuttler: it seems to come from some ugly installation of JavaXT ... any idea if this is in Debian? |
| 10:16.17 | SynrG | whatever *else* you said about ubuntu, i simply ignored. |
| 10:16.52 | smartass | nkuttler: no, sorry, it's from here http://www.jclark.com/xml/xt-old.html |
| 10:17.28 | smartass | nkuttler: it's a legacy website I cannot rewrite right now :( |
| 10:18.07 | zvasafsaf | SynrG:lmao they banned me from #ubuntu for asking if Ubuntu LTS is as stable as Debian |
| 10:18.35 | bazhang | zvasafsaf, thats not right, take it elsewhere |
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| 10:19.26 | miskatonic | maybe the 'd-word" is illegal on #ubuntu |
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| 10:19.42 | bazhang | or maybe long term trolling is |
| 10:19.47 | SynrG | ^ |
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| 10:20.56 | at0m | apparently only thing zvasafsaf doubts before pickin debian, is the encryption. so yes, zvasafsaf, you can pick encryption for partitions or full disk on install. |
| 10:21.25 | SynrG | that question was answered before anyway. |
| 10:21.51 | at0m | ok sorted then :) |
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| 10:24.08 | cast | https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/ultamid-2-person.html |
| 10:24.13 | cast | erm, wrong channel. sorry. |
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| 10:27.09 | zvasafsaf | at0m:IDK I'm also worried about the lack of PPAs, since maybe I will need to add more software later and don't want to compile from source? I am also concerned about gaming support with Steam and nVidia driver backports. |
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| 10:30.06 | miskatonic | there are enough games that don't neeed accelerated 3-d support |
| 10:30.12 | spaceone | hi |
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| 10:30.20 | spaceone | i am trying to use temporary="$(mktemp -d)" in a debian/rules file |
| 10:30.50 | zvasafsaf | miskatonic:I only play CS:GO and Dota 2 |
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| 10:30.57 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: steam/nvidia works just fine for me. you don't need ppas |
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| 10:32.01 | zvasafsaf | nkuttler:Yeah but what if I need a newer driver if I upgrade my graphics card, or if a new driver has better graphics performance? |
| 10:32.01 | spaceone | it doesn't work (empty string) |
| 10:32.15 | nkuttler | zvasafsaf: let's talk about that when it comes to that |
| 10:32.17 | SynrG | zvasafsaf: in the months prior to jessie's release, i never had a problem on sid using nvidia drivers and steam. i no longer run debian stable with steam, however, so i can't comment on that. as for PPAs, that's a specific implementation which is solved in other ways for third-party software supported on Debian. most upstreams do support Debian. they just don't do it on a PPA. |
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| 10:32.34 | SynrG | s/no longer/never did/ |
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| 10:33.42 | SynrG | zvasafsaf: specifically, i have an older nVidia card. obviously, if you have something too recent to be well-supported, you would need a backport. however, i have observed through the past stable release cycle that backports of nvidia drivers have been available. so, not an issue. |
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| 10:41.21 | smartass | nkuttler: it was once in Debian as https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libxt-java ... any idea what happened to it? |
| 10:42.12 | nkuttler | smartass: check the links in the sidebar |
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| 10:42.54 | smartass | hmm, https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxt-java/news/20130227T090022Z.html cites low popcon and orphaned |
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| 11:13.05 | smartass | nkuttler: never mind, made a xslt wrapper for xsltproc |
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| 11:13.49 | _adam_ | hi |
| 11:14.34 | _adam_ | may i ask what can i use to replace compiz? i would need some transparent windows and that sparkling window open=close effect |
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| 11:16.47 | Brigo | _adam_, most window managers offer composition. |
| 11:17.22 | _adam_ | yes, yes, but i want it with kde and i need active window transparency |
| 11:17.34 | _adam_ | i would like it with* |
| 11:17.46 | _adam_ | ^ Brigo |
| 11:18.42 | Brigo | _adam_, i can talk about kde, but mate -old gnome2- has it, so i think kde should have it too. |
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| 11:21.11 | _adam_ | Brigo why i came here thats because i got back into linux after several years, and i found out compiz is standing, and perhaps someone know some info what can i replace with or who continues the project and with what name |
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| 11:22.27 | Brigo | _adam_, i think compiz was just deprecatd as soon as most windows managers get its capabilities. |
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| 11:23.57 | _adam_ | aha, okay, i found out how to make a window transparent under kde, but i would need that lovely sparkling effect what compiz did |
| 11:24.25 | _adam_ | np thanks tho |
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| 11:26.26 | Brigo | _adam_, np :) |
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| 11:29.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | debian squeeze to Jessie dist-upgrade a fair chance of survival? |
| 11:29.52 | themill | no. squeezeâwheezy; wheezyâjessie |
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| 11:31.18 | miskatonic | even the first sub-versions of wheezy can't mbe dist0upgraded to0 jessie |
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| 11:33.53 | jack_thompson | doesn't anyone have a problem with that openvpn, rsyslog, and tor depend on libsystemd now? |
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| 11:34.44 | jack_thompson | i believe this lennart poettering dude has a Wikipedia |
| 11:34.46 | jack_thompson | Narcissistic personality disorder |
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| 11:34.53 | jack_thompson | and i dont trust him... |
| 11:35.18 | jack_thompson | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder |
| 11:36.54 | miskatonic | what is tor? |
| 11:37.41 | jack_thompson | https://www.torproject.org/ |
| 11:38.16 | CissWit | jack_thompson: that's just a lib, it doesn't actually depend on systemd and you can still avoid using systemd if you want |
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| 11:39.04 | jack_thompson | CissWit, it is code written by people i do not trust.. i will downgrade until i dont need the library either... it's simple as that... |
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| 11:39.36 | Brigo | jack_thompson, don't ask poettering why, ask those packages developers. |
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| 11:39.51 | jack_thompson | i cant thing of a single reason why especially tor(!) should depend on a library that is part of the booting process... |
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| 11:39.58 | jack_thompson | that just doesn't make any sense to me... |
| 11:40.03 | Brigo | jack_thompson, it is free source code, you can audit it if you care enought. |
| 11:40.19 | CissWit | jack_thompson: the beauty of opensource is that you can review or recompile as suit your need or your trust |
| 11:40.40 | jack_thompson | lol... he we go with the generic answers... |
| 11:40.43 | CissWit | but then you loose the work of package manager in debian that make a lot of testing and integration for you |
| 11:41.04 | CissWit | jack_thompson: i answered specifically about libsystemd0 earlier, now i answer specifically about your lack of trust |
| 11:42.15 | Brigo | actually, we are offtopic. |
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| 11:42.15 | jack_thompson | i don't need to review the work of obnoxious people if i can just downgrade or change distribution... that is my /pragmatic/ answer... |
| 11:42.25 | CissWit | jack_thompson: if openvpn is written bby people you trust, then you should trust their judgement on the use of libsystemd0. If you do not trust openvpn's developper because they had a bad judgement using libsystemd, then you should probably not use openvpn at all |
| 11:43.14 | CissWit | but all of that has not much to do with debian, if you need to discuss about the packaging of openvpn in debian you should fill a bug |
| 11:43.18 | Max^ | only problem with systemd is that it wastes memory if you use it on very old computers with ~1gb ram |
| 11:43.26 | jack_thompson | well systemd might be okay /right now/... but it want's to do too many things... it will become the prime target for /everything/ if this goes on... |
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| 11:44.05 | miskatonic | I switched back to sysvinit |
| 11:44.06 | Brigo | jack_thompson, CissWit, that is offtopic, here, please join #debian-offtopic if you want to go on. |
| 11:44.20 | jack_thompson | miskatonic me too |
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| 11:45.05 | jack_thompson | doug mcilroy: "This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together." |
| 11:45.19 | jack_thompson | systemd is bloat that is a great target.. that's all... |
| 11:45.24 | consume | <jack_thompson> i cant thing of a single reason why especially tor(!) should depend on a library that is part of the booting process... |
| 11:45.43 | consume | I'm under the impression that systemd controls hardware access |
| 11:46.08 | Max^ | try compiling it manually then? |
| 11:46.10 | consume | tor might specifically need it to control something related to your system's networking? |
| 11:46.12 | jack_thompson | tor doesn't need access to hardware either |
| 11:46.41 | Max^ | deb packages depend on lots of useless stuff |
| 11:46.54 | jack_thompson | consume, tor needs systemd to access the network now? what? |
| 11:47.16 | jack_thompson | i think ill contact the tor package maintainer... this is bullshit... |
| 11:47.38 | consume | no, I was suggesting that tor might need systemd to control the network routing |
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| 11:49.09 | jack_thompson | afaik tor doesn't do any route stuff.. it is a proxy into a darknet |
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| 11:51.47 | consume | I'm just speculating. I don't exactly know why tor depends on systemd. It's just not exactly accurate to say that systemd is only used during the boot process |
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| 11:53.04 | Brigo | consume, tor can chose its dependencies, ask its developers why. |
| 11:53.16 | jack_thompson | that is the problem... systemd does too many things... it is like a growing target.. and fewer people under stand it than shell scripts... |
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| 11:53.45 | consume | that sounds like FUD |
| 11:54.06 | miskatonic | I hate that octave depends now on qt. Who is responsible for that mess? |
| 11:54.08 | jack_thompson | okay it is FUD then.. |
| 11:54.21 | consume | have you considered trying the devuan repository? |
| 11:54.30 | jack_thompson | qas long as i dont use systemd it won't be my FUD... |
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| 11:56.08 | ksk | hey guys. If I see uploads for squeeze by "squeeze-security" is that the lts-team? |
| 11:56.45 | miskatonic | isn't squeeze so dead? |
| 11:58.11 | ksk | nevermind, it is not, one has to use squeeze-lts to find the changelog |
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| 12:00.06 | jack_thompson | i have written emails to the package developers of openvpn, tor and rsyslog why they chose to depend on libsystemd.. there is no way these packages depend on libsystemd when downloaded by the package maintainer from their actual sources... |
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| 12:02.16 | jack_thompson | if this is supposed too escalate the anger over systemd.. it is certainly working... |
| 12:02.18 | SanchoPensa | how do i "teach" a debian in a KVM/qemu guest, that it should have a serial console at boot time? |
| 12:02.37 | themill | jack_thompson: unused libraries on your hard disk are unused. Nothing to see here. |
| 12:02.41 | miskatonic | maybe those are actually the same person? |
| 12:02.51 | jack_thompson | miskatonic no |
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| 12:03.49 | jack_thompson | themill, ldd /usr/sbin/tor clearly shows libsystemd as dependency |
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| 12:04.22 | themill | that doesn't mean it is used at run time |
| 12:04.37 | jack_thompson | it also doesn't mean it is /not/ used... |
| 12:04.45 | jack_thompson | so i am asking the package maintainer |
| 12:04.49 | themill | and so what? |
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| 12:04.59 | jack_thompson | because read above |
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| 12:05.34 | themill | you've not said anything of consequence. If you've got a fascination for removing the string "systemd" from dpkg -l then you should try some other distro |
| 12:05.35 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, you have to modify grub kernel parameters. |
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| 12:05.59 | jack_thompson | themill what do you want me to say? |
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| 12:06.25 | themill | something with any technical content |
| 12:06.42 | FemAnonIsFree | so, when I get to the "kernel to install" page, I can choose "linux-image-amd64" or "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64".... what kind of choices are those? why is the default kernel not identified by version? |
| 12:06.51 | jack_thompson | themill, tor doesn't need libsystemd |
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| 12:07.00 | FemAnonIsFree | jack_thompson, this is true |
| 12:07.02 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: unfortunately i canot do that without somehow mount a /proc /sys amd /dev in order to execute a update-grub, but that doesnt work, as i cannot ,ount anything the guest could handle into it... |
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| 12:07.18 | SanchoPensa | this is so silly, why is there no serial console...? |
| 12:07.25 | Vladimirski | Does /var/log/installer have another name in Debian? I'm trying to find the file initial-status.gz but there none in Debian, is there an alternative file? |
| 12:07.41 | SanchoPensa | i mean, i can't possibly be the fiurst guy to install a debian into a KVM machine, or can i? |
| 12:08.03 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, you cannot reboot and edit grub?, remote system? |
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| 12:08.21 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: i cannot connect to it |
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| 12:08.23 | SanchoPensa | with nothing |
| 12:08.27 | SanchoPensa | so what for rebnoot? |
| 12:08.32 | themill | jack_thompson: if it is installed then it can be used. The only way of doing that is to link to it. If it is not installed then it is not used. You shouldn't care any more than libselinux being installed an unused. |
| 12:08.53 | SanchoPensa | i can edit files on the harddisk, but then as said i would have to execute update-grub for them to make sense, and that i cannot either |
| 12:09.49 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, can you chroot to it? |
| 12:10.05 | jack_thompson | themill, yes but debian is not LFS.. in debian packages are precompiled... and tor is precompiled with a systemd dependency.. that is bullshit on /every/ machine... not just on my machine... |
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| 12:10.43 | themill | no, you either don't care or you actually use it. that's the way dependencies work |
| 12:11.13 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, another trick: systemctl enable debug-shell.service |
| 12:11.19 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: yes, as said, i can |
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| 12:11.28 | jack_thompson | themill when i deinstall libsystemd it will also deinstall tor... how am i supposed to |
| 12:11.33 | jack_thompson | "not care" about that? |
| 12:11.44 | Brigo | it will enable a early shell, you can achieve the same modifying unit link. |
| 12:11.45 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: but as said that will not help me, as i cannot execute update-grub there |
| 12:11.50 | FemAnonIsFree | jack_thompson, why don't you just compile tor from source? |
| 12:12.03 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: early as in i cannot connect to it? |
| 12:12.04 | themill | jack_thompson: sure. Why do you care about 181kB disk space? |
| 12:12.14 | jack_thompson | FemAnonIsFree, because that would help only me |
| 12:12.45 | jack_thompson | themill, i dont think you understand the problem |
| 12:12.57 | FemAnonIsFree | jack_thompson, fair enough, but if you take out the systemd dependencies, then how will the NSA get lawful access to your box when they want to van you? |
| 12:13.09 | themill | jack_thompson: that is because there is no problem |
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| 12:13.25 | themill | FemAnonIsFree: play elsewhere... |
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| 12:13.48 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, you cannot access the console? |
| 12:14.09 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: well yes, that is the reason why i am here. |
| 12:14.13 | SanchoPensa | i cannot connect to it. |
| 12:14.16 | Donquixote | NSA alos have BIOS backdoor in HP and DELL's PC |
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| 12:14.21 | jack_thompson | themill, for the 3rd time now: the proble is that systemd does too many things... it is a growing target... and that is a technical fact and not FUD.. |
| 12:14.26 | SanchoPensa | cos debian apparently does not have a serial console installed per default |
| 12:14.52 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, i think for security sake |
| 12:15.02 | themill | jack_thompson: no, that is zero content and uninformed about how an unused library on disk is unused. |
| 12:15.12 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: which brings me back to the questin that i asked in the forst place: how do i "teach" a debian in a KVM/qemu guest, that it should have a serial console at boot time? |
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| 12:15.46 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, sorry, i have to go :( |
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| 12:16.10 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: :D thanks for your help, bro! :) |
| 12:16.24 | Max^ | why are chanops hiding |
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| 12:16.27 | jack_thompson | themill, lol.. i start to like you... xD how about i uninstall that unused library it then? oh.. i can't because of pointless dependencies... |
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| 12:16.59 | themill | jack_thompson: it's not pointless though, learn how the linker on linux works |
| 12:17.22 | jack_thompson | themill, the libsystemd is pointless... not a linker... ..dude.. xD |
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| 12:17.35 | themill | no |
| 12:17.40 | Max^ | ? |
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| 12:18.55 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, may be systemctl start serial-getty@ttyS2.service, from here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html |
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| 12:19.47 | jack_thompson | themill, i can't figure you out... but this systemd problem is escalating and not stagnating as you might hope.. it will be replaced sooner or later with something better... like HAL and countless other missteps.. |
| 12:20.16 | jack_thompson | ill downgrade debian and move to gentoo where feasible |
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| 12:20.23 | SanchoPensa | Brigo: oh yeah, that looks promising! thanks, man! |
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| 12:25.05 | DHSSysAdmin | so... can anyone tell me what the default kernel is for jessie 8.1? |
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| 12:31.27 | Brigo | ,kernels |
| 12:31.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.8-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
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| 12:32.20 | MrRobotica | judd, so if I choose the default "linux-image-amd64" or "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" --- am I getting the same kernel? |
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| 12:33.46 | Brigo | MrRobotica, yes you get the same kernel, and judd is a bot :) |
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| 12:36.08 | Brigo | MrRobotica, :) |
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| 13:13.43 | JordiGH | Hey, jessie-backports from mozilla.debian.net has the same apt priority as jessie itself. I haven't messed with priorities myself. Is this a new a default? jessie-backports at the same priority as jessie? |
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| 13:17.08 | themill | JordiGH: jessie-backports â mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:17.34 | JordiGH | themill: There is a jessie-backports target from mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:17.41 | JordiGH | I thought the pinning was by target name? |
| 13:17.49 | themill | you can have any target name you like in any repo |
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| 13:18.12 | JordiGH | How does jessie-backports from backports.debian.org actually get a lower pin priority, then? |
| 13:18.14 | themill | pinning is only by release name if you write it that way yourself |
| 13:18.26 | themill | the Release file, same as experimental |
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| 13:18.52 | JordiGH | So isn't this a bug? Shouldn't mozilla.debian.net have a Release file with a lower priority? |
| 13:19.14 | themill | perhaps, you'd have to ask the maintainers of that repo. They have presumably adopted that configuration for a reason |
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| 13:23.50 | JordiGH | Well, this is weird. Making Iceweasel look at an animated gif on twitter makes X crash. |
| 13:24.20 | nkuttler | \o/ |
| 13:24.23 | nkuttler | JordiGH: link? |
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| 13:29.33 | JordiGH | Moment... |
| 13:29.45 | JordiGH | I'm trying to repro on another machine. |
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| 13:30.03 | JordiGH | I thought it might be a flash problem, but I removed flash and I still see this crash. |
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| 13:32.09 | JordiGH | Scroll down here: https://twitter.com/scinos/status/625511937049104385 |
| 13:32.23 | JordiGH | There's a gif of MoJoe Jojo talking about how evil this is. |
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| 13:32.35 | JordiGH | When I scroll to that in my other machine, X crashes. |
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| 13:33.16 | JordiGH | It's ok if it's only partially scrolled to. Only until the thing is in full view, whatever js kicks in, Iceweasel does something, and crashes X. |
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| 13:35.29 | JordiGH | On this machine I see something flash green. |
| 13:35.41 | JordiGH | Oh, it's not a gif at all. |
| 13:35.43 | JordiGH | Arrgh! |
| 13:36.17 | JordiGH | I wonder if it's video that's crashing Iceweasel? |
| 13:36.31 | JordiGH | Why have people taken to calling webm things "gif"? |
| 13:36.42 | JordiGH | Oh, this one is mp4. |
| 13:37.15 | Terminus | JordiGH: it annoys me as well. it's a damned video, not a gif. |
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| 13:38.11 | JordiGH | Huh, looks like I don't have anything installed to play video. Is that the problem, Iceweasel? You can't play a video, so you decide to kill X? |
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| 13:43.52 | JordiGH | Okay, it's not an Iceweasel problem at all. Now trying to view the video with vlc is crashing X. |
| 13:43.57 | JordiGH | So, driver bug? |
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| 13:46.30 | Terminus | JordiGH: anything that causes X to die means X has a bug IMO. |
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| 13:49.22 | JordiGH | Grabbed the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver from backports, let's see if that does anything... |
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| 13:50.41 | JordiGH | Yep. |
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| 13:50.43 | JordiGH | No more crash. |
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| 13:51.01 | JordiGH | checks the bug tracker. |
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| 13:53.41 | JordiGH | Oh, I think it might be #793087, because I'm using an external monitor? |
| 13:53.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/793087 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (open, patch): «xserver-xorg-video-intel: intel-virtual-output crash when checking for DRI3»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-21; last modified: 2015-07-21. |
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| 14:13.00 | Lope | I added "peter ALL= /sbin/ipset" to my sudoers file. And now peter can sudo anything??? |
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| 14:16.00 | Lope | Oh, weird. Now it's working. |
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| 14:26.40 | gregor2 | Hi! |
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| 14:26.54 | gregor2 | Can someone help me with this problem: |
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| 14:28.19 | gregor2 | I just installed Debian 8.1.0, but it always freezes at boot. The last line is "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes." |
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| 14:35.32 | p3rror | hello |
| 14:36.18 | p3rror | Please can you tell me what does this logrotate http://paste.debian.net/287880/ |
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| 14:38.17 | abrotman | p3rror: you've looked at the man page? |
| 14:38.37 | p3rror | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:38.44 | abrotman | so what is still confusing? |
| 14:38.48 | p3rror | abrotman, I see that I compress logs |
| 14:39.01 | p3rror | I need to know if this entries will delete or not |
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| 14:39.15 | p3rror | these |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | ever? |
| 14:39.29 | p3rror | does compress delete old logs ? |
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| 14:39.46 | p3rror | because I did not find some logs |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | perhaps you'd like to look at the rotate option |
| 14:40.38 | p3rror | abrotman, I dont need to delete them |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:40.48 | p3rror | I need only to compress them |
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| 14:42.32 | abrotman | p3rror: rotate 1000000 ? |
| 14:42.50 | p3rror | OK |
| 14:43.00 | p3rror | should I remove compress |
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| 14:44.56 | abrotman | that's up to you .. |
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| 15:07.44 | `ryban | hi :) |
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| 15:10.28 | Donquixote | how many still awake? |
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| 15:12.08 | jelly | Donquixote: huh? |
| 15:13.10 | Donquixote | alright, let me rephrase that, how many like me sleep in the morning and awaking in the noon |
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| 15:14.00 | Donquixote | by morning i mean 6-9, none means 12-15 |
| 15:15.52 | Donquixote | guess nobody |
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| 15:24.32 | DammitJim | anyone have experience with buffalo linkstations? |
| 15:24.42 | mf|pc | I have one yes. |
| 15:24.50 | mf|pc | whats the problem |
| 15:24.54 | DammitJim | mf|pc, have you set it up as RAID 1? |
| 15:25.01 | mf|pc | I have yes. |
| 15:25.13 | mf|pc | has 2 x 3TB Sata disks |
| 15:25.14 | DammitJim | someone dropped it and the last backup doesn't have the files that were just put in there |
| 15:25.43 | DammitJim | the files were "moved" into it so they only reside in there |
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| 15:25.55 | mf|pc | When you say dropped it, how far did it fall and how hard did it land? |
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| 15:26.00 | DammitJim | do you know how to recover files? the linkstation boots and has a red light blinking 7 times |
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| 15:26.08 | DammitJim | about 2 feet |
| 15:26.14 | DammitJim | but it was ON |
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| 15:26.19 | DammitJim | it makes clicking sounds |
| 15:26.25 | mf|pc | that sounds like a damaged disk |
| 15:26.27 | DammitJim | I know, this doesn't sound good.. I just feel bad for them |
| 15:26.30 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 15:26.38 | DammitJim | I"m going to have to ship it to a place that can recover the files, huh? |
| 15:26.52 | mf|pc | If its raid 1, you may be able to take the disk out mount and see if you can recover files |
| 15:27.04 | mf|pc | but it is a big MIGHT, if it is clicking and nothing is showing up. Not good news. |
| 15:27.16 | DammitJim | when I plug in the hard drive to my linux machine, dmesg only says: sd 147:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 15:27.20 | DammitJim | doesn't go any further |
| 15:27.22 | DammitJim | gparted doesn't see it |
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| 15:27.33 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 15:27.47 | DammitJim | I'm going to go get the other drive and see if I can see it in jessie |
| 15:27.49 | mf|pc | you let me check, you may be able to use smart utitiles |
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| 15:28.05 | mf|pc | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/using-smartctl-to-get-smart-status-information-on-your-hard-drives/ |
| 15:28.06 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 15:28.17 | mf|pc | plug it in and do these checks, it will tell you to an extent the state of the drive. |
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| 15:28.45 | mf|pc | Try unplugging one or the other and booting the NAS up |
| 15:28.49 | mf|pc | see if it clicks eith only one plugged in. |
| 15:28.56 | DammitJim | I tried that... it didn't boot |
| 15:28.58 | mf|pc | Its just possible your Raid 1 may have survived. |
| 15:29.01 | DammitJim | both click |
| 15:29.05 | mf|pc | Ah. |
| 15:29.13 | mf|pc | Yeah run smart checks, if they fail send it to a data recovery company |
| 15:29.14 | DammitJim | it clicks for a while, then the clicking stops |
| 15:29.21 | DammitJim | what is smart check? |
| 15:29.55 | mf|pc | Basicly self diagnois for drives, it allows you to check if a drive is ok. operating systems use it in the background to check for errors or failing drives |
| 15:30.32 | DammitJim | oh |
| 15:30.43 | mf|pc | http://ubuntu-rescue-remix.org/ something like this may be worth a go |
| 15:30.43 | DammitJim | does that run automatically when I plug it in to my usb drive? |
| 15:30.54 | mf|pc | It wont no, you will need to run it manually to see the results. |
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| 15:31.32 | DammitJim | what is this ubuntu rescue remix? |
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| 15:31.40 | DammitJim | Do I have to put the hard drive inside a machine and boot that machine? |
| 15:32.02 | DammitJim | I don't have a machine with 3.5" bays |
| 15:32.05 | DammitJim | only laptops |
| 15:32.18 | mf|pc | USB Caddys are your friend |
| 15:32.25 | mf|pc | can be picked up from most stores for not much money |
| 15:32.26 | DammitJim | ok, I have a usb thingie |
| 15:32.32 | DammitJim | I actually have 2 |
| 15:32.52 | DammitJim | so, you are suggesting for me to boot into this ubuntu rescue remix and connect the HDD through USB? |
| 15:32.55 | DammitJim | and see what it finds? |
| 15:32.58 | mf|pc | correct yes |
| 15:33.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | or just boot from usb. |
| 15:33.24 | mf|pc | Boot the recovery OS, plug in the USB and try to use the recovery tools on it |
| 15:33.34 | DammitJim | ok |
| 15:33.41 | mf|pc | if you cannot get anywhere, and your hitting head against a brick wall recovery companys specalise in getting data back. |
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| 15:34.13 | DammitJim | yeah, last time I did that, they charged me $800 here in Central Florida |
| 15:35.28 | mf|pc | ah yes, depends on the value of the data quite often to be honest. |
| 15:35.37 | mf|pc | when in doubt backup your Backup in another location. |
| 15:35.44 | mf|pc | No such thing as too much backup |
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| 15:36.56 | DammitJim | yeah, that's my fault... this is a friend |
| 15:37.01 | DammitJim | I told him we should do that for these files |
| 15:37.07 | DammitJim | and we "forgot" about it |
| 15:37.28 | mf|pc | ooh, your a techie friend. |
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| 15:37.56 | DammitJim | yeah, you know... one gets into these situations for helping with one thing |
| 15:38.03 | DammitJim | then you notice other things and start making suggestions |
| 15:38.05 | DammitJim | and blah... |
| 15:38.36 | mf|pc | has learnt this one the hard way, a number of years ago. |
| 15:38.48 | mf|pc | Took a job rolling out a company network, when put simply. I had not got enough age or exp |
| 15:38.59 | DammitJim | blah |
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| 15:39.21 | mf|pc | would have been fine now, but yeah. Had to call in someone else to clean up the mess. That was embaressing. |
| 15:39.26 | iliv | where can I read about syntax of up / down directives used in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:40.07 | iliv | I'm checked official documentaiton: Debian Handbook and Debian Reference and there's nothing to explain the syntax and how to use it |
| 15:40.10 | iliv | I * |
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| 15:41.35 | Phil-Work | how do I make the Debian installer install grub to sdb which is where it installed Debian? |
| 15:41.43 | Phil-Work | it insists on trying to instal it to sda |
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| 15:41.52 | Phil-Work | this is Debian 7 |
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| 15:44.14 | nbb | Hello, why freeIPA is still not in stable? I guess, it Is there anything like that in Debian? |
| 15:45.00 | DammitJim | yikes |
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| 15:46.18 | tux_ | http://pastie.org/10322400 |
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| 15:46.22 | tux_ | Mixxx will not run. |
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| 15:51.00 | Equa | Phil-Work: during the grub install process, you can choose. you should install it on the drive that boots up at start not where you installed it. |
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| 15:52.48 | Phil-Work | Equa, that doesn't seem to be the case |
| 15:52.58 | Phil-Work | it just tries to install to sda and fails |
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| 15:53.03 | Phil-Work | I don't see any options anywhere |
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| 15:53.23 | Phil-Work | but yes, sdb is the boot drive - sda is only in there temporarily for another purpose |
| 15:53.48 | Phil-Work | it can actually be removed |
| 15:54.07 | Equa | Phil-Work: use the installation disk and boot into rescue mode. you'll be able to install grub there. |
| 15:54.18 | Phil-Work | that might work - thanks |
| 15:54.20 | Phil-Work | I'll try |
| 15:55.19 | Equa | Phil-Work: if the option for sdb isnt there, boot into a shell and do grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 15:55.39 | Phil-Work | ok |
| 15:55.39 | fmost | hello |
| 15:55.52 | karlpinc` | Phil-Work: It can't be a good idea to install debian 7 at this point, why not 8? 7 will reach end of life, and while there's experimental long-term support you'll need to upgrade eventually. |
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| 15:55.56 | fmost | i have a problem with iceweasel, and on #firefox they sent me here |
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| 15:56.16 | fmost | is there an #iceweasel channel, or i can ask here? |
| 15:56.25 | karlpinc` | fmost: Sure, although iceweasl is firefox, with the branding removed. |
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| 15:56.43 | karlpinc` | fmost: (And probably much older than the bleeding edge.) |
| 15:57.11 | Phil-Work | karlpinc`, yeh |
| 15:57.16 | fmost | uhm, now that you mention it, let me check if stretch is ahead of jessie for iceweasel |
| 15:57.21 | fmost | or i have to ask in -next |
| 15:57.28 | Phil-Work | our whole platform is on 7 and we haven't had the time to fully investigate 8 yet |
| 15:57.35 | karlpinc` | fmost: Here is fine. There may be something in backports too. |
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| 15:58.16 | fmost | iceweasel 38.1 has problems showing pictures on the web interface of whatsapp |
| 15:58.37 | fmost | firefox 39 (on the same machine) does not |
| 15:58.37 | karlpinc` | Phil-Work: 8 is a big jump. Not only is apache backwards incompatible, there's the whole huge systemd thing. You can avoid systemd for now with 8, but it seems like not forever. |
| 15:58.38 | fmost | i can try to download a 38.1 to check better |
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| 15:59.15 | fmost | but since ff is pulling the same profile and using the same libraries, i think it's quite comparable |
| 15:59.15 | Phil-Work | karlpinc`, no Apache here so not too worried about that |
| 15:59.15 | Phil-Work | systemd however... |
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| 15:59.15 | Phil-Work | that's probably going to be the biggest barrier |
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| 15:59.41 | Phil-Work | but yeh, fighting to keep up with growth on the platform with a limited team of Engineers |
| 15:59.49 | Phil-Work | Debian 8 has to take a back seat at the moment |
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| 16:00.25 | karlpinc` | fmost: Don't know anything about whatsapp. |
| 16:00.33 | Equa | Phil-Work: you can use sysvinit on jessie |
| 16:00.49 | fmost | i don't know how much whatsapp is important in the picture |
| 16:01.05 | karlpinc` | fmost: You could try installing one of those user-agent-switcher plugins and see about lying about what browser you're using to the site and see if that does anything. |
| 16:01.28 | fmost | karlpinc`, that's actually very smart |
| 16:01.32 | fmost | hadn't tought of that |
| 16:01.32 | Phil-Work | Equa, yeh - still not got the time :( |
| 16:01.35 | fmost | let me try |
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| 16:03.52 | karlpinc` | Phil-Work: It took me a whole week to get the systemd stuff straightend out. Admittidly, the system boot process in question was not stock, although it did things according to the standards. And I guess I didn't _have_ to understand and do things the systemd way, but if you're going to migrate may as well migrate. |
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| 16:13.32 | fmost | karlpinc`, this is where experience shows itself |
| 16:13.39 | fmost | it was the user agent, now it works |
| 16:13.41 | fmost | thanks |
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| 16:17.32 | peterrooney | karlpinc`: which standards are those? |
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| 16:19.01 | Katharsis | hi |
| 16:19.04 | Katharsis | how to fix the problem with "d-sub out of range"? i need to connect LG 1920x1080 with VGA |
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| 16:21.39 | hid3 | Hello. What disadvantages does systemd have? I am about to upgrade my wheezy to jessie. Should I stick with init or go with systemd? |
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| 16:30.08 | hid3 | Anyone? I don't believe everyobody in this channel has gone to celebrate Friday... |
| 16:30.22 | JordiGH | watup? |
| 16:30.30 | hid3 | How do I upgrade to jessie by leaving init instead of systemd? |
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| 16:31.05 | Equa | hid3: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
| 16:31.07 | JordiGH | Upgrade, don't reboot, uninstall systemd, I think. |
| 16:31.52 | Equa | pin the package so it won't install systemd |
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| 16:32.10 | hid3 | Great, will do the reading |
| 16:32.26 | hid3 | what are actually the disadvantages of systemd? Why everyone is so scared of it? |
| 16:32.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | people fear change? |
| 16:32.57 | JordiGH | hid3: If you don't already have reasons to dislike it, you probably won't even notice it's there. I certainly don't. |
| 16:33.07 | Equa | hid3: it's just new. if you have many custom startup scripts without the correct LSB format, you'll need to change them |
| 16:33.22 | Katharsis | how to fix the problem with "d-sub out of range"? i need to connect LG 1920x1080 on VGA |
| 16:33.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | binary logging is one frequently-levelled criticism. |
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| 16:33.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | a monolithic design (in a sense) is another. |
| 16:34.06 | hid3 | Okay. A colleague of mine told that each time a package is upgraded, the system will need to be rebooted. That sounds like Windows. Is that true? |
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| 16:34.21 | hid3 | e.g. I upgrade 'apache' and a reboot is required |
| 16:34.24 | Equa | hid3: no |
| 16:34.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | your colleague is extremely misinformed. |
| 16:34.50 | JordiGH | hid3: No, that's a big pile of bollocks. |
| 16:34.55 | hid3 | Okay. Then what might go wrong when switched to systemd? Leave the startup scripts alone, they're tidy and with proper tags |
| 16:35.09 | Equa | hid3: you should be fine then |
| 16:35.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | lennart poettering's involvement in development is yet another objection against systemd i've heard voiced. |
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| 16:35.34 | JordiGH | The biggest problem I've had so far with systemd is that I still can't figure out how to run a custom xmodmap rule after suspend to workaround a bug with xmodmap getting undone after suspends. |
| 16:36.35 | hid3 | Okay. How do I get in a single mode (just in case) with systemd? |
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| 16:37.11 | JordiGH | Same way, it's a grub option. |
| 16:37.25 | JordiGH | You mean, you really want to switch from one runlevel to another? |
| 16:37.29 | hid3 | no |
| 16:38.03 | hid3 | with the classic init I just edit the kernel, do remove the 'quiet' and append 'single init=/bin/bash' |
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| 16:38.15 | hid3 | and I've heard that with systemd it's different |
| 16:38.23 | hid3 | (at least on Redhat 7) |
| 16:38.55 | sputnik | guys |
| 16:39.17 | sputnik | do you have the same dhcp problem with jessie just right after fresh install? |
| 16:39.23 | sputnik | this "no working leases persistent database sleeping" |
| 16:39.46 | sputnik | when installing debian, network autoconfiguration succeeds, after first boot i get this error |
| 16:40.03 | sputnik | few reboots or ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 and it starts to work again |
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| 16:40.18 | sputnik | tried this on multiple places |
| 16:40.28 | sputnik | multiple dhcp servers |
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| 16:41.04 | sputnik | eth0 configuration allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:41.26 | sputnik | this is autoconfiguration done while installing |
| 16:41.54 | Equa | having multiple dhcp servers on a network is a cause for concern |
| 16:42.11 | peterrooney | hid3: no documentation and no didactic training available between beginner and expert |
| 16:42.45 | sputnik | Equa: i mean not on the same network |
| 16:42.57 | sputnik | i tried that at work and at home |
| 16:43.01 | Equa | sputnik: is your system working now? |
| 16:43.07 | sputnik | nope |
| 16:43.17 | Equa | sputnik: do ip a |
| 16:43.19 | JordiGH | hid3: The single-user version is already there in the default grub config. You don't have to manually edit the kernel boot line to get there. |
| 16:43.47 | JordiGH | hid3: Whatever Debian did to grub to get single-user mode, it already works with systemd. I haven't really tried to figure out how it's different, but it's just a grub menu option. |
| 16:43.54 | hid3 | Yeah, I know it is but I always want to fully understand what to do 'just in case' |
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| 16:44.24 | JordiGH | Well, type "e" to edit the line and see what grub did. |
| 16:44.27 | hid3 | I remember my hassle to migrate from LILO to grub.. I've done this not that recently... |
| 16:44.35 | JordiGH | Whoa, lilo. |
| 16:44.47 | JordiGH | You're old, bro. |
| 16:44.48 | JordiGH | Or sis. |
| 16:44.48 | hid3 | linux loader :) Sounds good |
| 16:44.53 | hid3 | bro |
| 16:45.12 | hid3 | and what was wrong with it? I've never messed it up... It worked excellent for me |
| 16:45.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | lilo was a nightmare. |
| 16:45.34 | JordiGH | I guess you could go with devuan if you're really want the old-school screw-you-debian feel. |
| 16:45.35 | hid3 | why? |
| 16:45.40 | c0fe_machine | mother in laws are nightmares |
| 16:45.48 | hid3 | well.. |
| 16:45.56 | hid3 | This systemm.. I installed it as Potato |
| 16:46.05 | hid3 | and then upgraded upgraded upgraded... |
| 16:46.08 | hid3 | LILO stayed there |
| 16:46.14 | hid3 | it didn't offer me GRUB |
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| 16:46.17 | c0fe_machine | did you make sure to bake it and add sour cream? |
| 16:46.19 | JordiGH | Installed it on a potato too. |
| 16:46.24 | hid3 | I realised I need to go GRUB around 6th version |
| 16:46.27 | Equa | sputnik: are you at a terminal? do: ip a |
| 16:46.35 | JordiGH | potato was before my time, and I thought I was old. I started on woody. |
| 16:46.47 | hid3 | woody was also excellent |
| 16:46.57 | hid3 | a release that lasted quite long |
| 16:47.06 | sputnik | Equa: http://i.imgur.com/HgxBGq5.png |
| 16:47.07 | hid3 | I have CDs and covers printed for that somewhere |
| 16:47.21 | sputnik | Equa: yup, it's vmware vm |
| 16:47.25 | hid3 | I no longer need any installation CDs as I dont install new systems (my old ones are working fine) |
| 16:47.50 | JordiGH | Remember when sarge took 3 years to release? |
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| 16:48.07 | Equa | sputnik: what type of network for the vm ? |
| 16:48.21 | hid3 | yep |
| 16:48.26 | sputnik | Equa: bridged |
| 16:48.37 | hid3 | I don't like frequent releases, honestly... |
| 16:48.56 | hid3 | and now this Ubuntu'ish strategy in Debian annoys me |
| 16:49.14 | Equa | sputnik: are you using nm or wicd to configure your network? |
| 16:49.16 | hid3 | Ubuntu is an ancient African word which means 'I Don't know how to properly configure Debian' |
| 16:49.24 | JordiGH | Whoa, even your jokes are old. |
| 16:49.33 | hid3 | indeed |
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| 16:50.26 | sputnik | Equa: it's a minimal install with all the defaults, so i guess i'm using nm |
| 16:50.48 | sputnik | interfaces were configured at install |
| 16:50.50 | Equa | sputnik: do you have a de? if not it's just interfaces |
| 16:51.05 | sputnik | Equa: what's de? |
| 16:51.14 | Equa | sputnik: desktop env |
| 16:51.18 | sputnik | no, i dont |
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| 16:52.05 | sputnik | Equa: i've deselected all the additional software at software selection while installing |
| 16:52.11 | sputnik | it's completely minimal install |
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| 16:52.25 | Equa | sputnik: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:52.27 | hid3 | Okay, seems that my brand new kernel (4.1.3) has just booted up, going to upgrade the system... |
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| 16:53.39 | XeonSquared | Happy sysadmin day everyone :D |
| 16:54.01 | Equa | XeonSquared: you too |
| 16:54.06 | sputnik | Equa: http://i.imgur.com/TlCUwvk.png |
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| 16:55.05 | JordiGH | XeonSquared: Do we get to celebrate if we're devops? |
| 16:55.10 | sputnik | Equa: btw, if i'll do few reboots, i'm sure it dhclient will work again |
| 16:55.18 | sputnik | it happens just sometimes |
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| 16:55.20 | JordiGH | XeonSquared: I am learning docker. Do I get cake_ |
| 16:55.21 | Equa | sputnik: 1: ip set link eth0 down then 2: ip set link eth0 up |
| 16:55.22 | JordiGH | ? |
| 16:55.30 | XeonSquared | JordiGH, I'm sure someone would share the drinks at the very least :P |
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| 16:56.24 | hid3 | it's so strange no one asked me why the hell I was compiling my own kernel... |
| 16:56.36 | XeonSquared | It's actually saturday here, I forgot it was sysadmin day yesterday :< |
| 16:56.55 | sputnik | Equa: Object "set" is unknown, try "ip help". so i did ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 after that. still same.. |
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| 16:57.14 | Fdee | hid3: maybe 'cause this channel is full of sysadmins who do such things with painful regularity ;) |
| 16:57.34 | Equa | sputnik: systemctl restart networking.service |
| 16:57.42 | hid3 | doubt it. Everyone whom I met were asking: what's the point?? |
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| 16:58.12 | Equa | hid3: i thought you just wanted to waste time unless you need it for a hardware |
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| 16:58.45 | hid3 | Yeah, I need it for hardware. My hardware runs much faster with a slim/dedicated kernel without tons of useless things in it |
| 16:58.49 | sputnik | Equa: still same.. |
| 16:58.57 | JordiGH | hid3: You use lilo, we're far beyond the point of being weirded out about you compiling Linux. |
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| 16:59.36 | Equa | sputnik: restart the vm and let's try again. |
| 17:00.04 | hid3 | JordiGH: no longer! I've migrated to GRUB2, but that was scary... |
| 17:00.28 | sputnik | Equa: ok, just restarted. still no dhcp |
| 17:00.28 | XeonSquared | What's the point? |
| 17:00.31 | c0fe_machine | is there is a text editor called "vim" or am I confusing it with "vi"? |
| 17:00.34 | XeonSquared | What's the point? |
| 17:00.39 | XeonSquared | Ricing, of course! |
| 17:00.44 | XeonSquared | c0fe_machine, vim is vi improved |
| 17:00.51 | c0fe_machine | i see |
| 17:01.20 | Equa | sputnik: do ip link |
| 17:02.19 | c0fe_machine | ah ok thanks XeonSquared |
| 17:02.33 | c0fe_machine | so my customer defragmented their SSD >.< |
| 17:02.35 | sputnik | Equa: http://i.imgur.com/9Y6YhIP.png |
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| 17:03.54 | Equa | sputnik: for your networkcard in the vm setup. what's the device? |
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| 17:05.12 | sputnik | Equa: there now name of that device. it's just called "Bridged: Connected directly to the physical network" |
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| 17:05.36 | sputnik | and same happens for me with hardware machine |
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| 17:05.51 | sputnik | and only with jessie.. |
| 17:05.52 | msl09 | how do I build a custom debian package? |
| 17:06.32 | msl09 | I got a package with apt-get --build source package_name and I want to change the source and build a new paclage from it |
| 17:06.49 | msl09 | I know there is a wiki page for it but I can't find it rigth now |
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| 17:09.31 | Equa | sputnik: we need to check logs. dmesg |
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| 17:12.12 | hid3 | When running on systemd, will the system require more frequent reboots at any circumstances? Now I only require a reboot whem moving a server to a different physical location |
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| 17:13.48 | Equa | hid3: where are you getting all these ideas about systemd? i reboot the same amount as sysvinit |
| 17:14.25 | gregor2 | debian 8.1.0 doesnt boot! |
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| 17:14.41 | gregor2 | it always freezes! |
| 17:14.42 | kriskropd | so, I thought it might be a good idea to finalyl update a wheezy box to jessie - midway through the dist-upgrade the system froze with no response and had to be rebooted - luckily, it booted to a shell just fine and it seems the move from init.d to systemd was okay - however I couldn't not connect to the network to continue the dist-upgrade from where it left off |
| 17:14.47 | hid3 | well, I don't want to have my system need a reboot when "something updates via apt" or the systemd updates itself... |
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| 17:16.00 | hid3 | why the hell they decided to use that systemd. Fast boot times are for desktop users and not for servers |
| 17:16.03 | kriskropd | any ideas on where to start repairing network? I'd liek to start by finding out why it wont connect eth0 to dhcp |
| 17:16.14 | sputnik | Equa: http://codepaste.eu/?hash=dd272f80778b024cc42096d6293d4b29 |
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| 17:16.49 | Fdee | hid3: systemd offers more than just fast boots. I realise this is a touchy subject so I won't say more on the subject ;) |
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| 17:17.00 | hid3 | yeah, "it monitors services" |
| 17:17.16 | hid3 | my services have never ever crashed on Debian, as opposed to FreeBSD |
| 17:17.16 | Equa | sputnik: do you have a connection on the Host OS? |
| 17:17.29 | Fdee | Ha. I wish that was the extent, sometimes ;) |
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| 17:19.40 | gregor2 | should i turn on uefi? |
| 17:20.49 | madrik | hid3: Your services have crashed on FreeBSD? I keep hearing that FreeBSD is this wonderful, stable, robust system, so counterinformation would be interesting to me. |
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| 17:20.56 | c0fe_machine | hid3: i had debian crash on me |
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| 17:21.30 | c0fe_machine | and by crash i mean completely unrecoverable, can't ssh into it without terminal freezing up and local cli was frozen too |
| 17:21.31 | hid3 | madrik: yes, constantly. Reason "segmentation fault core dumped" Or the entire system: Kernel panic - page fault while in kernel mode |
| 17:21.40 | sputnik | Equa: yes |
| 17:21.41 | hid3 | this was for FreeBSD 4.x and FreeBSD 5.x |
| 17:22.00 | hid3 | I remember those messages by heart |
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| 17:22.39 | c0fe_machine | i am curious to know what distro imgur uses on their servers |
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| 17:22.45 | Equa | sputnik: do a ifup eth0. any error? |
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| 17:22.46 | msl09 | hid3: thus far I needed no greater number of reboots with systemd than I needed with init.d |
| 17:22.59 | hid3 | During the upgrade it wants to do something with phpmyadmin package. It asks for root password. And the MySQL is not running. I can't get rid of that window. Any ideas how to skip it?? |
| 17:23.05 | msl09 | and to my knowledge there is no reason why that would be different |
| 17:23.09 | madrik | hid3: That's even more intriguing since I believe the general consensus is that FreeBSD 4.x - 6.x were the best of the lot... Then it started going downhill. |
| 17:23.11 | kriskropd | so, looking at journalctl, I've gathered that networking is having trouble with wpasupplicant file not existing in /etc/network/if* - as I'm not using wifi on this machine, how can I remove wpasupplicant? |
| 17:23.35 | hid3 | well, I abandomed FreeBSD at that time. Enough grey hair for me |
| 17:23.47 | iChatter | hi |
| 17:23.53 | iChatter | FreeBSD should be good for routers - I heard. |
| 17:23.59 | madrik | c0fe_machine: Would an nmap run on imgur be sufficient? |
| 17:24.26 | hid3 | I have used it for a router |
| 17:24.39 | msl09 | kriskropd: can't you apt-get remove wpasupplicant? |
| 17:24.41 | c0fe_machine | madrik: i tried it wasn't |
| 17:24.43 | hid3 | but once you wake up at 4 AM (being still drunk) because users have no internet... |
| 17:24.49 | hid3 | 1 time, 2nd time, 3rd time... |
| 17:24.52 | hid3 | ahhh, fed up |
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| 17:25.12 | kriskropd | msl09: I'm doing tha tnow -i was hesitant because, as i said before, recovering froma failed dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.30 | madrik | hid3: Oh dear. That must suck. |
| 17:25.47 | msl09 | I had problems with fonts when dist-upgrading |
| 17:25.50 | kriskropd | im running dpkg to reconfigure now so i can try and remove with at-get wpasupplicant |
| 17:25.56 | madrik | c0fe_machine: You could always email them. |
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| 17:26.12 | msl09 | the fun part is that I tested dist-upgrading with virtual machines a dozen times |
| 17:26.26 | msl09 | for debbuging purposes |
| 17:26.36 | msl09 | not even once I had that problem |
| 17:26.40 | hid3 | Or imagine you're at school/class. Users start calling because "there is no internet". The server is at your house. You need to abandom the classes and go home, 15 miles away. A school kid, 15 y.o. No good.... |
| 17:27.01 | msl09 | I swear that shit is a cosmic ray antenna |
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| 17:28.04 | msl09 | anyways, the bottom line is dist-upgrade only works well in theory |
| 17:28.18 | cxd13 | i've never had issues doing a dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.25 | msl09 | I wouldn't recommend it to anyone |
| 17:28.42 | Fdee | msl09: Really? I've never had an issue with it myself, but I have heard gripes from quite a few people... |
| 17:28.43 | msl09 | I never not-had issues with dist-upgrade |
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| 17:29.04 | valdyn | one usually has issues, but those are usually easily fixed |
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| 17:29.35 | msl09 | well my fonts are still broken, I just learned to live with it |
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| 17:29.45 | madrik | The one or two times I've upgraded -- once from squeeze to wheezy -- I dropped down to console and just followed the upgrade notes. |
| 17:30.03 | madrik | I just installed jessie fresh. |
| 17:30.26 | Fdee | msl09: Broken in what way? |
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| 17:32.48 | madrik | hid3: Did you try any other BSD? |
| 17:32.49 | msl09 | with some applications I get decent looking fonts(as I do with my fresh installed jessie) and with some other applications I get low resolution fonts |
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| 17:34.11 | Fdee | msl09: Okay. Have you narrowed down whether or not those applications, where fonts aren't looking great, are using different toolkits? For examples, are they all GTK, or QT, or...? |
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| 17:35.08 | sputnik | Equa: ifup: interface already configured |
| 17:35.10 | msl09 | all I know is that they are the same applications running on my fresh install |
| 17:35.10 | hid3 | madrik: yes. NetBSD. Worked nice. However, managing packages was quite difficult. I though then: Why should I spend time phucking with all of that? I could use Debian and spend more time to phuck girls instead ( I was ~16 y.o. then) |
| 17:35.17 | sputnik | Equa: should i do ifdown eth0 before that? |
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| 17:35.34 | Equa | sputnik: check if you have an ip with this command: ip a |
| 17:35.36 | valdyn | msl09: just tell us which apps have broken fonts and which dont |
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| 17:35.54 | sputnik | Equa: nope, i don't have an ip.. |
| 17:36.11 | Equa | sputnik: do you have access to your dhcp server? check the logs there and setting to make sure it's got enough ip range. also try restarting it. |
| 17:37.52 | msl09 | but looking at it again looks like the problem solved itself somehow |
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| 17:38.06 | Fdee | Ha. |
| 17:38.14 | sputnik | Equa: i have, nothing in logs. and the range is 235 ips... |
| 17:38.25 | hid3 | [ 3878.875808] systemd-logind[16108]: Failed to enable subscription: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1 |
| 17:38.25 | hid3 | [ 3878.875878] systemd-logind[16108]: Failed to fully start up daemon: Input/output error |
| 17:38.30 | hid3 | Is the above serious?? |
| 17:38.51 | greycat | If you can login, I'm gonna guess "no". |
| 17:39.00 | hid3 | I tried to reboot |
| 17:39.23 | Equa | sputnik: restart the service or router |
| 17:39.35 | hid3 | yep, and the system does NOT boot... Simply great |
| 17:39.38 | hid3 | fuck that systemd |
| 17:39.57 | c0fe_machine | well just got a new WD Red Pro HDD |
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| 17:40.03 | c0fe_machine | Intersting thing |
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| 17:41.04 | valdyn | hid3: for all you know the harddisk could be broken |
| 17:41.20 | hid3 | it is not broken |
| 17:41.25 | valdyn | hid3: you certainly dont know that systemd has got anything more to do with it than that it relays an error |
| 17:41.46 | hid3 | Okay, I'm going to bring the monitor and see what has happened for sure |
| 17:43.03 | Fdee | Random IO errors could also indicate faulty RAM. If you hard disc turns up clean, maybe a run of MEMTEST would be worthwhile. |
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| 17:44.51 | hid3 | systemd: failed to mount tmpfs /sys/fs/cgroup: no such file or directory |
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| 17:44.56 | hid3 | ^-- the error message |
| 17:45.01 | hid3 | it IS systemd fault!!!!! |
| 17:45.06 | hid3 | now what's next? |
| 17:45.15 | hid3 | piece of fucking crap |
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| 17:45.33 | Filystyn | hey |
| 17:45.35 | madrik | Right. Before shooting the messenger, i.e., systemd, ensure it is actually at fault. |
| 17:45.37 | Filystyn | someone help me with this |
| 17:45.42 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.55 | Filystyn | ofc it's debian that's wy i ask here |
| 17:45.58 | Fdee | hid3: Tbf, that doesn't definitively point the finger at systemd. Can you paste the output of `mount` somewhere online? |
| 17:46.20 | greycat | It sounds to me like you used a custom or non-Debian kernel that didn't mount the things your initramfs was expecting. |
| 17:46.22 | Filystyn | why debian has sockoption in header that does not work |
| 17:46.40 | hid3 | Fdee: I can't boot that system at all now... |
| 17:46.58 | valdyn | hid3: which kernel are you trying to boot? |
| 17:47.09 | hid3 | greycat: yes, I was using custom kernels all my life without any problems until now |
| 17:47.15 | hid3 | a custom one |
| 17:47.18 | Fdee | hid3: Right, sorry I've not being paying great attention to this window... Looks like valdyn has tho ;) |
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| 17:47.46 | valdyn | hid3: so - you are trying to boot an unsupported kernel with required features missing, like cgroups |
| 17:47.54 | greycat | If you use a custom kernel, it's your responsibility to make sure you enable all of the features needed for it to boot. |
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| 17:48.39 | hid3 | Okay. Why during the upgrade it didn't check that /boot/config lacks required features and warn me then?? |
| 17:48.46 | c0fe_machine | ffs this customer is annoying |
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| 17:49.12 | valdyn | hid3: thats a really silly question |
| 17:49.20 | hid3 | no it isn't |
| 17:49.25 | valdyn | hid3: because theres a gazillion things you can do to break your system |
| 17:49.30 | c0fe_machine | just had the entire inventory bought out yesterday |
| 17:49.34 | valdyn | hid3: and all of those gazillion things are not checked |
| 17:49.53 | c0fe_machine | "but you told me it takes a few days" right but our inventory was abnornally bought out |
| 17:49.58 | c0fe_machine | "but you told me" |
| 17:49.58 | c0fe_machine | ffs |
| 17:50.12 | hid3 | Okay. Now any ideas how to make the system bootable? Single mode does nto work either |
| 17:50.25 | valdyn | hid3: use a live cd to install a supported kernel |
| 17:50.30 | madrik | hid3: By compiling your own kernel, you've already taken active responsibility in one area where Debian usually does things. |
| 17:51.06 | hid3 | No CDROM available there... |
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| 17:51.51 | valdyn | i shouldnt need to say this: a usb live whatever works the same |
| 17:52.18 | Equa | sputnik: after restarting the dhcp server. do ifdown then ifup. if that don't work. do static ip |
| 17:52.24 | kriskropd | okay, I managed to fix the networking issue with dpkg reconfiguring after the crashed dist-upgrade |
| 17:52.25 | hid3 | My God, no USB on this system. It's a HP NetServer E60 |
| 17:52.36 | hid3 | I need somehow to boot it |
| 17:52.51 | Fdee | hid3: So what is available to you? |
| 17:52.54 | Fdee | Remote-access, wise. |
| 17:52.59 | valdyn | hid3: netboot, 2nd harddisk, your choice |
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| 17:53.25 | hid3 | Okay. Is there any way to bypasss that cgroup requirement for a while and boot into some kind of limited single mode? |
| 17:53.28 | greycat | So boot the older kernel. |
| 17:53.35 | greycat | Then one you were successfully using before the upgrade. |
| 17:54.00 | valdyn | all the obvious choices.... |
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| 17:54.06 | madrik | This exchange of hid3 makes me suspicious of his earlier blame of FreeBSD breaking. |
| 17:54.15 | hid3 | I was using this kernel before theupgrade |
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| 17:54.24 | valdyn | doing things way over your head does break things, surprise |
| 17:54.36 | hid3 | yeah yeah, fresh FreeBSD was crashing because of 'misconfiguration' |
| 17:54.49 | hid3 | and I installed NetBSD with the same experience and no kernel panics, right? |
| 17:54.55 | hid3 | on the same hardware |
| 17:55.10 | Filystyn | fucking help me or fix me |
| 17:55.20 | valdyn | Filystyn: please ask elsewhere |
| 17:55.33 | Filystyn | i asked everywhere. |
| 17:55.40 | cxd13 | Filystyn: not when you ask the way you did |
| 17:55.42 | Filystyn | <kick chair> |
| 17:55.55 | Filystyn | <throws a plan on the grounbd> |
| 17:56.01 | valdyn | !tell Filystyn -about smart questions |
| 17:56.01 | Filystyn | <stomps it> |
| 17:56.08 | greycat | reads lastlog |
| 17:56.28 | greycat | Filystyn: this is not a programmer-heavy channel. Most of us are system admins. If you have network programming issues, try a programming channel. |
| 17:56.48 | greycat | Presumably one specific to whatever language you are working with. |
| 17:56.49 | Filystyn | this is debian problem |
| 17:56.59 | Fdee | Filystyn: Being rude isn't going to endear you to folk willing to help. WHich protocol is giving you problems? |
| 17:57.00 | Filystyn | i have a macro in header |
| 17:57.04 | Filystyn | and it does not work |
| 17:57.07 | hid3 | Okay. I have an old 2.6.32 kernel. I tried booting it and it brings me to (initramfs) prompt. Is there I can do something from there? |
| 17:57.10 | greycat | Filystyn: then file a bug report with the Debian bug tracking system. |
| 17:57.16 | valdyn | Filystyn: its most probably your code being broken, but you are not even showing it, please ask elsewhere |
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| 17:57.29 | Filystyn | my code is not fucking broken. Othere options work |
| 17:57.40 | Filystyn | if you do not support reuseport do not put it in socket options |
| 17:58.00 | greycat | !bts |
| 17:58.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 17:58.19 | Filystyn | and do not point me to #network |
| 17:58.26 | Filystyn | that's one of most retarded channels on freenode |
| 17:58.40 | Filystyn | im going now to buy onion for my mothere since she asked i will be back. |
| 17:59.09 | cxd13 | Filystyn: when you come back don't be an asshole |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | cxd13: you're not helping, feel free to use /ignore |
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| 18:00.39 | miskatonic | is ignore a server side thing or a client-side thing? |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | client-side |
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| 18:01.23 | miskatonic | then my client does not support it, so abrotman's offer would be pointless |
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| 18:01.36 | nkuttler | miskatonic: so get a decent client |
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| 18:02.09 | abrotman | PEBCAK .. |
| 18:02.31 | Bombo | hi |
| 18:02.46 | miskatonic | no, all those clients insist in one tab per channel, or something like that, which I avoid rigorously |
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| 18:03.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you use telnet? |
| 18:03.41 | nkuttler | irssi can do that just fine |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | I use irssi without tabs. |
| 18:03.51 | miskatonic | no, I use sic |
| 18:03.56 | greycat | Fucking tabs. God, they are the worst thing ever. |
| 18:04.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't see the value in multiplexing all channels into one view. |
| 18:04.33 | Fdee | irssi supports tabs? Eeek! |
| 18:04.34 | nkuttler | miskatonic: so you use a tool that can't do what you want it to do. ok |
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| 18:04.37 | abrotman | it wasn't directed at you. If your client is deficient, I'm sure you can find something to do with 10 minutes of your life while the guy rants |
| 18:04.50 | hid3 | Where can I read which cgroups options in kernel does that new and shiny systemd requires? |
| 18:04.52 | abrotman | moving on ... |
| 18:05.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | Fdee: yes, it's the default configuration. only they're windows, not tabs. |
| 18:05.42 | Fdee | hid3: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/README |
| 18:05.44 | cxd13 | what's wrong with tabs? as long as you can switch between them with shortcuts |
| 18:06.02 | Fdee | NoImNotNineVolt: Really? I'm using it right now, and there are *no* tabs ;) |
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| 18:06.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | Fdee: irssi is very configurable. it's very possible that you indeed don't have any tabs. but this is offtopic for #debian anyway. |
| 18:06.50 | Fdee | NoImNotNineVolt: Oh, I missed the "windows" bit, sorry! |
| 18:06.54 | hid3 | Optional but strongly recommended: |
| 18:06.54 | hid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.57 | hid3 | ^--- lol |
| 18:07.09 | Fdee | NoImNotNineVolt: Yep |
| 18:07.09 | hid3 | system process manager required ipv6 support? :D |
| 18:07.19 | miskatonic | windows ... tabs ... doesn't make much of a difference to me. I want all channels merged in one place, and sic does that. |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn | hid3: whats a system process manager? |
| 18:07.27 | Fdee | hid3: It's probably used/required by networkd or some such. |
| 18:07.42 | hid3 | anyway, now I can feel myself what a piece of crap systemd is and why everyone at work was blaming it that much |
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| 18:08.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | i saw that coming from a mile away. start out with a measured tone only to end up talking about how systemd is a piece of crap. |
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| 18:08.40 | DammitJim | can someone suggest from experience a good place to send a hard drive to recover the data? |
| 18:08.42 | hid3 | So it isn't? |
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| 18:09.07 | hid3 | I've upgraded through 4 major releases this system without an issue until this software came up |
| 18:09.09 | abrotman | DammitJim: try ##hardware |
| 18:09.12 | DammitJim | please don't make suggestions by googling it |
| 18:09.14 | DammitJim | thanks abrotman |
| 18:09.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm a developer that frequently finds himself packaging various system services for debian. i find systemd is way, way nicer to me than sys v init ever was. |
| 18:09.22 | Filystyn | back |
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| 18:09.46 | Fdee | NoImNotNineVolt: Agreed. I do find it gets in my way sometimes, but for the most part, now I'm familiar with it, systemd just works. |
| 18:10.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | we've basically dropped support for sysvinit now. i only do systemd and upstart now. it's a thing of beauty. |
| 18:10.58 | madrik | For all the FUD about what a sysadmin nightmare systemd would be, sysadmins seem to find it very nice to write for. |
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| 18:11.26 | madrik | Unix "veterans" notwithstanding |
| 18:11.44 | Fdee | NoImNotNineVolt: Eh, you might be able to help me with a quick Q... Do you know if cgmanager and systemd can exist/work on the same system? |
| 18:12.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | no idea, sorry. |
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| 18:12.18 | Fdee | Worth a shot ;) Thanks anyway! |
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| 18:13.16 | ryouma | does debian use xattrs or acls? |
| 18:13.24 | valdyn | ryouma: yes |
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| 18:14.56 | valdyn | ryouma: ls -l /dev/ | grep + |
| 18:15.37 | Filystyn | problem solved |
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| 18:17.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | the onion fixed it? |
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| 18:19.03 | Filystyn | yes the onion indeed |
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| 18:24.53 | hid3 | Okay, I have amended the kernel configuration. Seems it only lacked support for cgoups out of thsoe options. Compiling ... |
| 18:25.03 | hid3 | and obviously I did not enable IPV6 support |
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| 18:25.28 | hid3 | and yes, I know that "there are no more ipv4 addresses", but I already have one so no need to worry about it |
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| 18:34.57 | Captain_Sifff | Hi there I'm still struggling with my ldap setup. The Server is openldap and on the client nslcd is running. getent passwd retrieves the user data of all users in the ldap database. But for the life of it I cannot login on the login prompt. |
| 18:35.01 | Captain_Sifff | Any ideas? |
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| 18:36.20 | Fdee | Captain_Sifff: It's been a while, but have you got PAM configured correctly? |
| 18:36.45 | Fdee | Captain_Sifff: libpam-ldap, IIRC. |
| 18:37.06 | Captain_Sifff | I assume so, It is the default setup that the debian utils produce upon istalling pam-ldapd |
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| 18:38.21 | Fdee | Captain_Sifff: I'm about to head out, but here's a fairly decent guide that might be able to help: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup |
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| 18:40.57 | Captain_Sifff | I think the server side is OK, I think something is broken on the client. I can quer the user informationo on the client using ldapsearch and getent. But somehow it doesn't do authentication. |
| 18:41.04 | Fdee | Captain_Sifff: Eep, sorry. Wrong URL: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
| 18:41.16 | gregor2 | can annyone help me? |
| 18:41.27 | mancomunado | How can I report ex-fat util is corrupting data, and a previous ver4sion must be used instead? |
| 18:41.30 | Fdee | Captain_Sifff: Yeah, my bad. In my haste I yanked the wrong UTL from my memory-refresher bookmarks ;) |
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| 18:42.27 | Fdee | mancomunado: See https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 18:43.13 | Captain_Sifff | If it helps: using getent shadow on the client I can't retrieve password hashes |
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| 18:45.10 | gregor2 | My fresh installed Debian always crashes during boot. |
| 18:45.35 | zh1 | sometimes just reading debian wiki guides may be less explanatory, would be nice if there were video archives on most tasks made by teams and community |
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| 18:49.12 | hid3 | madrik: you did mention that FreeBSD 5.x and 4.x were one of the best branches and later it got worse. Care to explain why? |
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| 18:51.09 | adabo | From fresh install debian 8 (gnome), how do I logout of the desktop to go to bash? |
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| 18:51.33 | greycat | You mean "to the Linux console"? Try Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-F2. |
| 18:51.35 | adabo | On my old installation, I skipped installing the desktop environments untill later. |
| 18:51.47 | adabo | Now when it boots, it just goes straight to the login screen. |
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| 18:52.18 | adabo | greycat, I'm not sure what the name is called. It's the default console when there is no DE. |
| 18:52.27 | greycat | The linux text console. |
| 18:52.34 | adabo | Ok |
| 18:52.36 | greycat | Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-f2, depending on which one your X session is on |
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| 18:52.46 | adabo | Alright. Thanks, greycat :) |
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| 18:53.44 | madrik | hid3: I don't have references on hand. But I recall reading that 7.x was about the time when many perceived a distinctive shift in the culture of the project. |
| 18:53.48 | adabo | ahh, so alt-right/left arrow takes me to tty1-6, but then I'm guessing tty7 is the desktop? |
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| 18:53.57 | madrik | The focus towards experimental and "new shiny" |
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| 18:54.29 | madrik | This to the detriment of the long established and traditional focus on robustness, maturity, excellence. |
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| 18:55.07 | greycat | adabo: Depends on which version of Debian. Prior to systemd, yes, X usually ran on Ctrl-Alt-F7. |
| 18:55.30 | greycat | adabo: with systemd, X runs on the first one that hasn't already been taken, so it could be #1 or #2, unless you did some console work earlier... |
| 18:55.30 | madrik | hid3: This mail on the FreeBSD lists sheds some light: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2012-January/037294.html |
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| 18:56.45 | Bud82 | Anyone know how to boot via PXE and have vanilla kernel + initramfs + rootfs working? Can't get the initramfs to hand over to also loaded rootfs. It can't find it ... |
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| 18:57.12 | Bud82 | Should I merge initramfs and rootfs ? |
| 18:57.23 | hid3 | Good read. Probably someone with "a different kind of common sense" (read people from India) picked up the significant part of development of FreeBSD.. |
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| 18:58.16 | adabo | greycat, Ahh. Good to know. This is just a fresh install. Nothing touched (except just now. logged in root to apt-get install sudo) |
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| 18:58.48 | greycat | a fresh install *of what* |
| 18:59.21 | adabo | greycat, Debian 8 (debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso) |
| 18:59.29 | adabo | Sorry, I thought I mentioned that earlier. |
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| 19:00.08 | greycat | jessie uses systemd by default, and if you installed with a *dm package, when you boot, you'll see the text console login screen briefly, then it'll go black, and you'll get the X login screen from whichever *dm. |
| 19:00.18 | adabo | greycat, Well, during install, all defaults except the Install Software. I only checked Standard Desktop, Gnome, Standard utilities. |
| 19:00.24 | greycat | gdm3 then |
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| 19:01.08 | madrik | greycat: I too have seen the phenomenon you describe. |
| 19:01.08 | adabo | gdm3? |
| 19:01.11 | greycat | so you have gdm3 running an X server on probably console #1 or #2 |
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| 19:01.25 | madrik | The delay is noticeable |
| 19:01.30 | greycat | the others (up to at least 6) should be available for regular non-X work |
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| 19:02.30 | adabo | greycat, Hmm. That's a bit worrysome. Does that mean that what I do in one console doesn't effect the others or am I confusing what you said? |
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| 19:03.11 | greycat | they are all completely independent |
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| 19:03.36 | greycat | If you modify FILES in one of them, then those files would be modified in the others, but they don't share memory space. |
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| 19:04.04 | adabo | greycat, So if I apt-get install something on one, then the others are effected too? |
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| 19:04.26 | greycat | The others would have access to the package you just installed. |
| 19:04.36 | greycat | Since that affects the file system(s). |
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| 19:05.03 | adabo | greycat, I'm sorry, please forgive my ignorance. I think this is going to be a long uphill battle learning linux. |
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| 19:05.59 | greycat | You're welcome to ask beginning Unix questions here. |
| 19:06.16 | adabo | Unix? |
| 19:06.41 | greycat | The parts of Debian that appear in all Unix-based operating systems, like file systems, processes, ls, rm, cp, etc. |
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| 19:11.27 | adabo | So I should learn Unix before I learn linux? |
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| 19:12.41 | greycat | Just learn what you need to know, at first. Later when you have learned a lot of things, you can try to figure out which of those are Debian-specific, which are Linux-specific (a larger category), and which are portable across all Unix. |
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| 19:13.20 | greycat | The differences don't matter much unless you administer more than one kind of system, or you are writing software. |
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| 19:14.48 | adabo | Ahh, this is helpful to know, greycat :) I just hope you prepared for, well, possibly an incessent (spelling?) amount of questions in the days/weeks to come. |
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| 19:16.24 | madrik | adabo: 'incessant' |
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| 19:16.42 | adabo | madrik, oh goody |
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| 19:19.41 | johnkeates | I'm trying to setup a FreeIPA SID server to test it's debian version, but I keep running into a problem with the installer breaking on a cert request from dogtag-pki, who should I ask about this? Debian? Or freeipa? Or Dogtag? Or fedora? :p |
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| 19:27.13 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... i have my main filesystem mounted as read only since in my fstab i have an option enabled who enables read-only partition reading when hard disk have errors... |
| 19:27.24 | giuseppe_ | but i can't edit fstab since now it is in read only... |
| 19:27.29 | giuseppe_ | how can i solve my error ? |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | fsck the file system, remount it read-write |
| 19:27.50 | giuseppe_ | greycat how do i remount the main file system ? |
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| 19:27.57 | greycat | Did you fsck it successfully? |
| 19:27.58 | ElDiabolo | Where does /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/.path come from? |
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| 19:28.33 | ElDiabolo | Or what is it good for? |
| 19:28.33 | hid3 | FINALLY! I have compiled in the required cgoups kernel option and that damn thing booted into Debian 8 |
| 19:28.38 | giuseppe_ | greycat i'm doing right now a "fsck /dev/sda1" is it ok like this ? |
| 19:28.51 | greycat | giuseppe_: if you anticipate a lot of errors, you can add -y |
| 19:28.52 | hid3 | now what's next? Is there any way to see what services failed to start with systemd ? |
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| 19:29.29 | greycat | hid3: systemctl -a |
| 19:29.33 | giuseppe_ | greycat it is fixing a lot of errors indeed ... thank you... i'll let you know as soon as it finishes |
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| 19:36.53 | hid3 | I guess the yellow baloon required my attention in that systemctl -a output |
| 19:37.04 | hid3 | baloons.. Reminds me Windows XP :) |
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| 19:39.06 | giuseppe_ | greycat... thanks it worked... |
| 19:39.16 | giuseppe_ | even if the hdd seems to me very slow... |
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| 19:39.50 | giuseppe_ | i think maybe that since HDD are old... they are going to be broken soon... |
| 19:39.54 | greycat | giuseppe_: is the disk old? Is it physically failing? |
| 19:40.03 | greycat | Yeah, this is definitely a worrisome thing. |
| 19:40.24 | greycat | Now, to remount, you can either reboot, or try mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:40.29 | giuseppe_ | greycat... consider that from some days it says at boot ata1: softreset failed (device not ready) |
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| 19:40.39 | giuseppe_ | greycat i rebooted... |
| 19:41.09 | giuseppe_ | it is a printing, server, so i need him alice :D |
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| 19:41.17 | giuseppe_ | thank you anyway... you have been very kind... |
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| 19:41.59 | head8debian | My HDD has been saying ata1: softreset failed (device not ready) |
| 19:42.02 | head8debian | for years. |
| 19:42.03 | head8debian | :p |
| 19:42.52 | head8debian | And i still don't understand that error. |
| 19:43.00 | r6ku | is stable really the way to go? it looks as if I'd have to backport stuff for upstream bugfixes, so more effort? |
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| 19:49.51 | giuseppe_ | head8debian... lol XD |
| 19:50.16 | n0arch | win 3 |
| 19:50.21 | giuseppe_ | r6ku... you must understand that debian "testing" is more stable than many other distros out there.. |
| 19:50.29 | giuseppe_ | i think testing is a good tradeoff... |
| 19:50.31 | greycat | Sometimes. |
| 19:50.48 | giuseppe_ | greycat... try sabayon... lol |
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| 19:51.30 | giuseppe_ | i had fedora and had problems some years ago... maybe it was because i was no linux competent... but it should be a user-friendly distro... |
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| 19:51.53 | greycat | There are two very speficic things to beware of with testing: (a) there're no security updates per se, so do not run it on a directly exposed server; (b) immediately after a major release, all of the stuff devs wanted to play with get thrown in all at once, so it becomes chaos. |
| 19:52.15 | giuseppe_ | mint and ubuntu are damn slow and get blocked frequently |
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| 19:53.14 | madrik | giuseppe_: Hell, Sid has very often been more stable than Ubuntu releases. |
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| 19:54.33 | giuseppe_ | bubuntu... what a shame on this child of Debian... can't believe how a such distro could be the son of Debian |
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| 19:54.48 | giuseppe_ | now many out there are even picking up ubuntu server... |
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| 19:55.01 | giuseppe_ | i think canonical offers services as red hat does |
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| 19:57.22 | giuseppe_ | best installation is debian minimal with i3 as window manager... rock solid and light... |
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| 19:58.58 | ryouma | is there anything in debian that can be added to i3 to make it autohide gkrellm, and also to make it autohide a taskbar upon which scroll wheel cycles apps like m-tab? |
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| 19:59.31 | SteffenPo | moin |
| 19:59.38 | Captain_Sifff | OK, I traced it to the way the passwords are stored in the LDAP server.... |
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| 20:00.07 | Captain_Sifff | My passwords are from an old NIS database and seem to be using blowfish |
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| 20:00.36 | Captain_Sifff | A typical hash looks like this: $2a$05$4x4..... |
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| 20:01.03 | ryouma | SteffenPo: hmm, E: Unable to locate package moin |
| 20:01.10 | giuseppe_ | ryouma... i don't know... |
| 20:01.14 | Captain_Sifff | What is the best way to seemlessly convert this into something that openldap can use? |
| 20:01.18 | greycat | Captain_Sifff: if you're asking whether you can crack them and rehash with something Debian-ish, that would require a massive cracking attack on the whole database. |
| 20:01.24 | giuseppe_ | a taskbar can be autohidden... |
| 20:01.28 | giuseppe_ | and you can put apps there... |
| 20:01.35 | giuseppe_ | don't know about the scrolling... |
| 20:01.52 | giuseppe_ | for gkrellm... i didn't know about it until you cited it this evening... |
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| 20:02.11 | Captain_Sifff | I don't want to crack it, I just want to migrate the NIS database to openldap without my users having to reenter their passwords |
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| 20:02.47 | ryouma | i want both characteristics. is there anything that can make a window autohide upon mouse pointer at edge of screen? also, is there anything that can make scroll wheel at edge of screen cycle windows. |
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| 20:03.15 | ryouma | the first question is only for gkrellm, of course |
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| 20:03.55 | Captain_Sifff | somehow the result of the migration tools didn't produce the expected results.... |
| 20:04.22 | psf_q | Hi all: I have a question regarding the PFS2 file-format: (here it is in detail: http://paste.linux.chat/view/feb20306) Where could I find an answer or documentation providing the further specification? |
| 20:04.33 | giuseppe_ | ryouma... i'm sure there is conky anyway... for gkrellm i don't know... but which Desktop environment are you using actually ? |
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| 20:06.03 | ryouma | giuseppe_: i use fluxbox, which provides both features. the autohide gkrellm is implemented using the slit. the autohide taskbar is built in. the scroll wheel cycling is also. but fluxbox is too buggy for me, and i want to try other window managers. not a SINGLE window manager out there has both features. |
| 20:06.25 | ryouma | (note: i am using wheezy) |
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| 20:08.58 | giuseppe_ | ryouma... are you sure ? i think i3 is the best for what i need... since it has very advanced tiling features... |
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| 20:09.14 | ryouma | giuseppe_: what statement of mine are you questioning? |
| 20:09.15 | giuseppe_ | try to ask what you need on #i3 if you still didn't |
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| 20:09.36 | giuseppe_ | ryouma all |
| 20:10.07 | ryouma | giuseppe_: i already did. i3 does not have the feature. i ask on this channel in order to find other tools in debian that can be added to i3 /or any other wm/ to produce the desired feature, or to tell me which lightweight wms have both features. |
| 20:10.16 | ryouma | giuseppe_: then i don't get what you are questioning |
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| 20:11.08 | ryouma | you seem uncertain whether i am sure of something. i asked a question. what is there for me to be sure or not sure about:? |
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| 20:12.54 | Junko | how do I choose between virtual packages which one to install |
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| 20:12.57 | giuseppe_ | ryouma what you said it is true... i'm unsure of the features you asked... since i 've never tested it (nor wanted) but i trust the fact that they are not available... unluckily i don't have any advice for you in terms of other WMs... :( |
| 20:13.11 | giuseppe_ | Junko what are virtual packages ? |
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| 20:13.41 | Junko | x-window-manager for example giuseppe_ |
| 20:13.59 | ryouma | Junko: update-alternatives maybe? |
| 20:14.12 | valdyn | Junko: "apt-cache search x-window-manager" will give you a list |
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| 20:14.29 | valdyn | Junko: pick one (or many) |
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| 20:14.38 | greycat | Junko: If you're asking how to choose a window manager, it's a matter of personal preference. |
| 20:14.45 | Junko | what if that pkg is being pulled by another as dependacy |
| 20:15.01 | valdyn | Junko: you can preempt that by picking one first |
| 20:15.13 | psf_q | where can I find a more up to date (complete) specification for the PSF2 file-format (console screenfont) than http://www.fifi.org/doc/console-tools/file-formats/psf and http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/font-formats-1.html? |
| 20:15.35 | valdyn | Junko: however, you should read the dependency precisely |
| 20:15.51 | Junko | I see thanks valdyn |
| 20:15.55 | valdyn | Junko: apt (or aptitude) cannot just depend on x-window-manager and install one automagically |
| 20:16.13 | Junko | yeah |
| 20:16.26 | Junko | I thought I would get to choose or something |
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| 20:16.32 | Junko | which is not the case |
| 20:16.42 | valdyn | Junko: what really is behind this is a dependency "actual-wm | x-window-manager", which will install actual-wm if neither it nor any x-window-manager is installed |
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| 20:17.08 | valdyn | Junko: correct, you dont get to chose, except by manually picking one |
| 20:17.52 | Junko | valdyn: what if the there two it more virtual pkgs like terminals or browsers |
| 20:18.20 | valdyn | Junko: of the dependency is just "x-www-browser" then it cannot be installed automatically |
| 20:18.27 | valdyn | Junko: *if* the dependency is just "x-www-browser" then it cannot be installed automatically |
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| 20:19.21 | Junko | valdyn: if I choose all my preferred virtual pkgs in one apt install am I OK doing it this way? |
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| 20:19.26 | valdyn | Junko: so a solution to automatically install some browser looks like this: "iceweasel | x-www-browser" |
| 20:19.45 | valdyn | Junko: yes, if you know that in advance |
| 20:19.53 | Junko | good |
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| 20:20.01 | valdyn | Junko: but you are just making up this problem, it does not really exist |
| 20:20.52 | valdyn | Junko: in the real world you just install iceweasel when you need it, and whichever other browser may also be installed does not interest you (or certainly most people dont care, they just use what they like) |
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| 20:21.28 | martopoulos | I run an internal Deb pkg repo - I added version 1.0 of my package and then uploaded 2.0, which I now want to get rid of and re-add 1.0 - I ran 'reprepro remove jessie mypackage' on each dist name (jessie, jessie-devel, jessie-staging, etc.), but when I went to readd 1.0, it still adds 2.0 |
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| 20:21.42 | martopoulos | the only reference to that version I can still find is in a binary file... |
| 20:21.58 | martopoulos | the deb isn't even in the repo dir hierarchy anymore |
| 20:21.59 | Junko | valdyn: the virtual pkgs I used where examples |
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| 20:22.45 | hid3 | Will standart init support be dropped in Debian? |
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| 20:23.02 | valdyn | hid3: a decistion about that does not exist. |
| 20:23.43 | Junko | valdyn: ty |
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| 20:25.07 | hid3 | I just saw a video on youtube where upstart outperformed that famous systemd in side by side comparison |
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| 20:25.41 | psf_q | Where can I find the PSF2 file-format specification? How much is 'thousands of glyphs'? |
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| 20:25.48 | greycat | It's not about boot speed. It's about the feature set. |
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| 20:26.19 | greycat | hid3: start with /msg dpkg why systemd |
| 20:26.23 | valdyn | highly unlikely that upstart will really be fast |
| 20:26.25 | hid3 | wonder what features I have gained after that painful upgrade... :\ |
| 20:26.49 | valdyn | hid3: read the documentation |
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| 20:28.52 | giuseppe_ | how can i manage MIME associations... in debian ? independently from DE or WM ? |
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| 20:30.52 | hid3 | seems most of them are not relevant for me. Anyway, it's time to go for a rest I think |
| 20:31.00 | psf_q | is there a better place for me to aks my question? |
| 20:31.11 | valdyn | psf_q: google |
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| 20:32.27 | psf_q | valdyn: after over 3 full day's googling, I've given up on that. But I can't imagine there is no specification... I just failed to find it |
| 20:32.45 | valdyn | psf_q: what is contained in a psf2 file? |
| 20:33.02 | psf_q | system console font and unicode mapping (optional). |
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| 20:33.53 | valdyn | http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/font-formats-1.html |
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| 20:34.53 | psf_q | valdyn: I don't want to flood, but don't want to waste people's time, so here is my quesiton in detail: http://paste.linux.chat/view/feb20306 |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | psf_q: your questions follow from the spec |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | psf_q: which of course sais nothing about the real world limits |
| 20:36.12 | valdyn | psf_q: for the real world limits you would have to read the source code of the programs that deal with psf files |
| 20:37.03 | psf_q | valdyn: yes, that 'spec' is hardly complete. And indeed, the real world limits are also relevant (but reverse engenering common programs that handle the files informs me about the 'limitations' (if any) that the programs suffer, not about the capabilities (per design/decision/convention) of the fileformat itself. |
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| 20:38.06 | valdyn | psf_q: unsigned int length; /* number of glyphs */ |
| 20:38.19 | valdyn | psf_q: that goes up to MAXINT (or was that MAX_INT) |
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| 20:39.28 | valdyn | psf_q: very simple really, and complete, maybe lame that the limits are hardware dependent, but it is what it is |
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| 20:40.37 | valdyn | psf_q: but thats hardly surprising considering that format was invented for something that was probably a hobby project |
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| 20:41.59 | psf_q | so the fileformat itself is capable of 4294967295 glyphs (altough that might be the maximum bitmap data (optionally minus header-size and minus unicode mapping table))? |
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| 20:42.27 | valdyn | psf_q: no, maxint is hardware dependent |
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| 20:43.16 | greycat | traditional C uses INT_MAX |
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| 20:43.22 | valdyn | greycat: thanks |
| 20:43.48 | psf_q | valdyn: ah, I didn't realise that there was a difference between the 32bits unsigned value (in the file's header) and what the hardware supports. |
| 20:43.57 | fireant | s |
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| 20:44.02 | valdyn | DOS file format written by one guy who was 17 year olds at the time.. |
| 20:44.41 | psf_q | valdyn: didn't know he was 17 at the time, respect. I'll add that to the history section of my filespec draft. |
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| 20:50.53 | psf_q | there is a `define MAXFONTSIZE 65536` 32px*32px=1024px, 1024px/8(bits per byte)=128 bytes required for one 32*32px glyph. 128*512(max rom fontsize????)=65536. I'm just guessing here: would that mean that the MAXFONTSIZE is the max raw bitmap that is supported? But I'm just still guessing... One could then also say that a 32*64 bit font of 256 glyphs would also be supported. Likewise, the source states that the PFS2 format supports 't |
| 20:50.55 | psf_q | http://kbd.sourcearchive.com/documentation/1.15-4/psffontop_8h-source.html |
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| 20:51.47 | psf_q | also in http://sourcecodebrowser.com/kbd/1.15/setfont_8c_source.html |
| 20:51.57 | hexnewbie | You got cut off at "supports 't" |
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| 20:52.11 | psf_q | Likewise, the source states that the PFS2 format supports 'thousands' of glyphs.. |
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| 20:52.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Interesting, I got no t. |
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| 21:08.24 | gho | how do I get an ssh server's identity fingerprint? |
| 21:09.28 | greycat | gho: ssh to it from an account that does not have that host in its .ssh/known_hosts file yet |
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| 21:10.39 | hexnewbie | I think ssh-keyscan can help |
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| 21:11.53 | fryguy | i've got an lxc container that is rying to connect both a tty and a pty to terminals 1-4 (0 remains as /dev/console). the pty's are getting allocated because of the container-getty unit, but I can't find out how to make it not start, as it seems to be a prereq for getty, which doesn't seem right. When i stop the container-getty units, things work correctly |
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| 21:13.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | gho, for what purpose? Checking it on first time you SSH into a server? |
| 21:13.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | gho, in that case, you should get it through a secure channel, e.g. log into the server physically |
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| 21:15.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | gho, if you have the key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts already, use ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
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| 21:23.11 | Kamachi | Hi! I have a problem installing grub. It installs the OS just fine but when it comes to grub it gives me a fatal error. I'm trying to setup a dual boot with windows 10. windows 8.1 was no problem installing linux as dual boot. I can't boot into linux and get a shell and install grub that way. How do i fix this? |
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| 21:28.08 | Equa | Kamachi: disable secure boot. use the installation media and go into rescue mode. you can install grub from there |
| 21:28.22 | Kamachi | my pc doesn't support secureboot |
| 21:28.37 | Kamachi | ok |
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| 21:33.55 | Horrorcat | on jessie, does openssl in server mode still support SSLv3? |
| 21:34.04 | Horrorcat | i need to interop with a windows xp client.... |
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| 21:51.47 | hexnewbie | Might be a stupid question, but would I be able to use lilo if I am using a GPT partition table? |
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| 21:53.12 | srg | hexnewbie: iirc, lilo has some GPT support |
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| 21:53.57 | muculus | I have 3 virtual network interfaces, eth0:1 eth0:2 eth0:3, how can I force debian to use them round-robin for default route? |
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| 21:54.38 | hexnewbie | srg: Thanks. So I might test that next week. :) |
| 21:55.33 | srg | hexnewbie: http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ "basic GPT and RAID support" |
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| 21:55.39 | srg | whatever "basic" means |
| 21:55.48 | srg | I'd still recommend grub |
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| 21:56.21 | hexnewbie | I guess it isn't bothered that the partition table is GPT, but doesn't support partition UUIDs and such. |
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| 21:57.29 | hexnewbie | Well, grub is nice when it works. But in this case it doesn't. Or rather, grub-mkconfig doesn't, and grub2 is too complicated for me. I don't know if the grub.cfg I wrote is sane. I prefer to have an emergency boot loader as well |
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| 22:09.13 | wm4 | now I'm getting "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/next mount -t proc proc /proc" and "chroot: failed to run command âmountâ: No such file or directory" |
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| 22:11.40 | Ungenious | Hello hellos |
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| 22:16.11 | linuxthefish | can the Debian installer work with OSX for duel booting? |
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| 22:17.56 | srg | Horrorcat: the SSL support is typically set in the server application. Like in nginx, or apache, or postfix, etc. |
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| 22:18.24 | Horrorcat | srg: yes, but i told prosody already to allow SSLv3, and the devs suggested to check whether openssl still supports SSLv3 on my distribution |
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| 22:21.14 | srg | Horrorcat: `openssl ciphers` lists the supported ciphers |
| 22:21.32 | srg | you might have to play with the arguments to that command to see if it supports sslv3. check the man apge |
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| 22:23.51 | Horrorcat | srg: Iâm not sure how to interpret the error messages of openssl at this point |
| 22:23.52 | srg | linuxthefish: does https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Double_boot_-_Mac_OS_X_.26_Debian help? |
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| 22:24.33 | Horrorcat | srg: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/250413/38146614/ |
| 22:24.52 | srg | Horrorcat: `openssl ciphers -ssl3` if that says "error in cipher list" then you don't support ssl3 |
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| 22:25.09 | Horrorcat | I see.... |
| 22:25.12 | srg | yeah ^ |
| 22:25.14 | srg | so no support |
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| 22:25.26 | Horrorcat | thanks, srg! |
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| 22:25.40 | Horrorcat | hopefully I can find another xmpp client supporting MSAA for windows XP then.. |
| 22:25.43 | srg | you're welcome. sorry it isn't the answer you were looking for, heh |
| 22:25.51 | srg | tell your winXP clients to upgrade already :-P |
| 22:25.56 | srg | xp has been EOL |
| 22:26.00 | Horrorcat | yes, I know |
| 22:26.06 | Horrorcat | itâs a peculiar accessibility situation though |
| 22:26.16 | srg | ahh |
| 22:26.17 | Horrorcat | the tools they need donât seem to work with newer versions (or linux for that matter) |
| 22:26.28 | Horrorcat | theyâre not doing that by choice |
| 22:26.39 | srg | Did you try in wine? |
| 22:26.53 | srg | or even reactOS |
| 22:26.57 | Horrorcat | I have not enough experience with that, sadly |
| 22:27.09 | Horrorcat | I think they would have tried that |
| 22:27.09 | srg | ah yeah, it can be annoying |
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| 22:28.26 | Horrorcat | I think it requires an odd mix of hardware and software support to get these things to work, but really, I donât know |
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| 22:30.15 | Horrorcat | anyways, have a good day/night/whatever, srg, thanks for your help! |
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| 22:30.42 | gefdecue | whats the most basic mp3 splitter ? |
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| 22:34.36 | talby | Hello, so many system backup tools around that I can't decide what to use (tar, rsync, fsarchiver, dd, ...). I want to play with my DEBIAN installation and of course first to have a backup of it. It would be nice if I wouldn't need a full dd of the partition, but could "sync back" to a formerly created snapshot (not only putting back into place everything which is in the backup, but also deleting all the stuff which was for testing added to the |
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| 22:34.44 | F8F9 | When creating an iso of a full-encrypted debian installation (i.e. an iso of the whole hdd), do i have to mount the encrypted filesystem from the live cd before creating the iso? |
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| 22:35.50 | gefdecue | F8F9: no |
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| 22:36.30 | srg | talby: It'd probably be easiest to use a VM like VirtualBox. Is that possible? You can take "snapshots" of a system, then restore them at your will. |
| 22:37.12 | srg | talby: I personally use rsync. I wrote a shell script to run various rsync commands to sync my files to an external drive. but it doesn't easily work in reverse. |
| 22:37.22 | srg | (eg, to "undo" changes on the system) |
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| 22:37.53 | karsten | talby: different backup tools have different strengths. rsync's probably the easiest best bet particularly where syncing between two direct-access devices. |
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| 22:38.20 | talby | srg, my old Laptop running my DEBIAN(jessie) won't allow me to nicely work in a VM. |
| 22:38.25 | talby | My situation is this one: |
| 22:38.42 | karsten | talby: tar is aimed at creating a static archive ("tar" == "Tape ARchive"). dd for imaging whole disks (more useful generally for forensics). |
| 22:39.10 | karsten | talby: there are specific backup solutions as well but I typically find them more trouble than they're worth. |
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| 22:39.35 | nostrora | hello, do you know how i can install zlib-devel in my Jessie ? |
| 22:39.47 | nostrora | i try to apt-get install zlib, but don't work :/ Unable to locale package |
| 22:40.31 | Equa | nostrora: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 22:41.08 | talby | My soundcard is not working, and trying to get it configured might mess things more up, than solving something. So I search for some kind of "undo", for the case that fiddling with the modules during the boot hangs my system. Then it would be nice to start a LiveCD, go on my HDD, call the "undo" command and be ready for the next try. That#s why I thought that "dd" would be overkill, and needing to much time. |
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| 22:41.35 | nostrora | Equa: Oh yes :) where do you have found this ? |
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| 22:41.47 | Equa | nostrora: use apt-cache search zlib |
| 22:42.04 | nostrora | ok thanks ;) i learn that now :) |
| 22:42.08 | srg | nostrora: (or http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:42.10 | srg | ) |
| 22:42.34 | nostrora | I have tried lib32z1-dev |
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| 22:44.46 | talby | As I do not know, which files and directories might become changed, the "undo" should simply check all my installation, and when performing an "undo" of course remember all those permissions which have been set. |
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| 22:46.50 | talby | That's why simply copying some folders would not be enough, right? Tar and rsync do have parameters which should care for backing up the permissions. But I am not sure how the "undo" would actually work. The guides I read so far only describe nicely how to do the backup, but I didn't find one which explains how to use the backup for any "undo". |
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| 22:48.51 | talby | Does this explanation help? Hopefully. So, VM is not my solution, dd and tar might be only for a full backup and full restore? Which tool would consider (quickly) the (few) changes to my filesystem, only? |
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| 23:02.14 | cimbakahn | Can you uninstall Thunar Bulk Renamer without uninstalling thunar-media-tags-plugin? |
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| 23:07.04 | cxd13 | isn't the bulk renamer part of thunar? |
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| 23:11.55 | neorpheus | howdy folks. trying to get steam installed on a deb8 x64 nvidia system and running accross this error when i try to fill in steams deps http://pastebin.com/LyPBu24Y any ideas what to do? |
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| 23:12.59 | cimbakahn | Sorry cxd13! I didn't know anyone answered. It may be part of it. |
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| 23:14.32 | cimbakahn | It is not part of the actual file manager but seems to be part lof the thunar-media-tags-plugin. |
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| 23:15.03 | cimbakahn | lof is of |
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| 23:15.43 | MrRobotical | first time booting into GUI (xfce) on a new (old) desktop OS.... processor context corrupt |
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| 23:16.27 | MrRobotical | also, is there any sort of workaround for getting ECC ram working on a motherboard that won't accept it? lol I bought 16gb of ECC and realized my board doesn't like it |
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| 23:17.03 | neorpheus | MrRobotical: im afraid not. not unless youre some kind of EE |
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| 23:25.59 | Nomenclatura | hey. I need to launch an X app from a shell script but I am getting "Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged" I am doing this on a machine without gdesu or kdesu and xhost + isn't working either (yes yes I know xhost + is a bad idea). Any ideas? |
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| 23:33.30 | Nomenclatura | !crickets |
| 23:33.30 | dpkg | chirps |
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| 23:38.33 | MrRobotical | damnit this *@)@(_D@)(D&!^@#)S_ debian is telling me there is a fatal machine error on current cpu |
| 23:38.38 | MrRobotical | kernel panic - not syncing |
| 23:38.54 | MrRobotical | should i throw this motherboard in the garbage? |
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| 23:39.22 | tpanmajia | what error |
| 23:39.54 | tpanmajia | you can put the panic message in #flood |
| 23:40.08 | MrRobotical | how do i ... copy and paste it? lol |
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| 23:41.06 | MrRobotical | going to do some more searching first |
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| 23:42.53 | MrRobotical | how can I check the number of cores via command line? if this is only a dual core CPU I'm going to toss it. the motherboard doesn't take ECC ram and I have 16 gb of it |
| 23:43.05 | MrRobotical | hmmm... do consumer graphics cards work in servers? |
| 23:43.18 | aedinius | Uh, yeah? |
| 23:43.31 | MrRobotical | alright then screw this motherboard/cpu |
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| 23:45.05 | a-slack | MrRobotical: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 23:54.33 | Ungenious | I've got a noob question... I've built some modified shared libs from source, and now I wanna get a few packages using apt-get that have these libs as dependencies... is there a better way to do things than doing 'apt-get download' and 'dpkg --force-all -i' ? |
| 23:55.13 | aedinius | 1) install the libs from apt 2) install the packages from source |
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| 23:57.29 | Ungenious | I need to build the libs from source though |
| 23:57.41 | aedinius | Why? |
| 23:57.41 | Ungenious | Unless I'm reading your suggestion wrong |
| 23:58.04 | Ungenious | Because the configuration is different than the package available using apt-get |
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| 23:58.22 | aedinius | Then build the library and the end package from source. |
| 23:58.48 | Ungenious | ugh.. not sure if some of the source is available for the packages that depend on it |
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| 23:59.17 | Ungenious | also seems ... odd since these are shared libs & stuff that depends on them don't need to be recompiled |
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| 23:59.41 | Ungenious | hmmm reading more Googles... maybe apt-mark is what I need ? |
| 23:59.58 | Ungenious | Then I can just mark the libs as manually installed & apt-get wont complain about dependencies |
