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| 00:00.21 | aedinius | Can that mark a package as being installed if its not? |
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| 00:01.14 | Ungenious | Hmmm dunno, but also not sure on the definition of 'installed' .... meaning just all the correct files in the correct places? |
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| 00:01.55 | aedinius | Ungenious: Actually, build a package with your configuration |
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| 00:06.23 | aedinius | 2 |
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| 00:08.13 | Ungenious | Hmmm whatcha mean |
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| 00:14.04 | Ungenious | Hmmm alright I'm getting the idea, I think I'm going to have to continue apt-get download for anything that rdepends on my libs and force install using dpkg... and I guess that's the sanest way |
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| 00:15.49 | Ungenious | I can see how things would get wonky if a user decides he knows better than the package manager... especially when the user is a noob like me |
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| 00:16.27 | aedinius | Ungenious: no no no I led you wrong |
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| 00:16.48 | aedinius | Ungenious: best option is to build the package using the correct name/version so it gets built with your requirements |
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| 00:17.18 | aedinius | Ungenious: if you build it right it'll meet the requirements and you should be able to install the dependent packages without issue |
| 00:17.47 | Ungenious | right, I accidentally grabbed source from the original website instead of using package manager... I didn't realize 'apt-get source' was a thing :( |
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| 00:18.21 | Ungenious | Thanks though aedinius :) |
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| 00:18.39 | aedinius | I'm not on top of my game right now, sorry |
| 00:18.47 | Ungenious | hahaha nah I misunderstood |
| 00:19.30 | aedinius | Burned out, exhausted, and I'm spending my Friday night drinking at the hotel bar ... on my laptop. Wheee |
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| 00:19.38 | Ungenious | Hahaha, traveling for work? |
| 00:19.49 | aedinius | Yeah. Fly home tomorrow, thankfully |
| 00:20.04 | aedinius | And nothing on the schedule when I get back! |
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| 00:20.45 | Ungenious | Nice :D |
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| 01:00.53 | Tachyon` | hello, after installing the latest jessie on my netbook it's behaving a bit oddly, everything seems to be working but df says no filesystems processed and mount only shows rpc_pipefs mounted.. however the root fs /is/ mounted and is in /etc/fstab albeit as UUIDs... if I plug in a USB stick then that's seen normally and shows up etc... is this a bug or a feature |
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| 01:10.13 | cimbakahn | Are these 6 red entries anything to worry about ----> http://imgur.com/t79JIZ5 |
| 01:11.16 | aedinius | yes |
| 01:11.50 | cimbakahn | What should i do about them? |
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| 01:12.04 | karlpinc` | Tachyon`: Do you see a bunch of stuff when you do findmnt? |
| 01:12.09 | aedinius | You ran stuff as root at some point, and it wrote stuff your home as root |
| 01:12.23 | aedinius | cimbakahn: chown -R cimbakahn ~cimbakahn |
| 01:12.46 | Tachyon` | oh, actually yes |
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| 01:13.04 | Tachyon` | I see what I'd expect to see, although in a different form to what I'm used to |
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| 01:14.30 | cimbakahn | I'm supposed to type "chown -R cimbakahn ~cimbakahn" in terminal?????? |
| 01:15.02 | aedinius | uh |
| 01:15.04 | aedinius | sure |
| 01:15.25 | Tachyon` | as root |
| 01:15.38 | aedinius | that'll just make sure that ~cimbakahn (cimbakahn's home directory) is owned by ... cimbakahn |
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| 01:15.57 | aedinius | And yeah, as root, probably |
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| 01:16.04 | Tachyon` | is this mount/df/findmnt difference related to the switch to systemd? |
| 01:16.35 | cimbakahn | And is this normal ----> https://paste.teknik.io/1617 |
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| 01:17.23 | karlpinc` | Tachyon`: yes. |
| 01:17.30 | Tachyon` | oh joy |
| 01:17.39 | karlpinc` | Tachyon`: Although I can't speak to df. |
| 01:17.40 | Tachyon` | and thankyou -.o |
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| 01:18.00 | Tachyon` | not used a distribution with systemd before, I can see this is going to be fun |
| 01:18.05 | cimbakahn | I just typed in "chown -R cimbakahn ~cimbakahn" and pressed ENTER, and didn't put in password. |
| 01:18.16 | aedinius | cimbakahn: no, but neither is the situation in you're in. |
| 01:18.23 | aedinius | cimbakahn: did it ask for password? |
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| 01:20.07 | cimbakahn | No. It did not. |
| 01:20.18 | aedinius | Because it wouldn't. |
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| 01:20.30 | cimbakahn | Now what? |
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| 01:20.54 | aedinius | Tachyon` is right, run that as root |
| 01:21.07 | aedinius | No harm will come of you setting everything YOUR home directory to be owned by YOU |
| 01:21.09 | rabbitear | never |
| 01:21.21 | rabbitear | NEVER!!! |
| 01:21.26 | cimbakahn | It isn't going to create another profile is it? |
| 01:21.26 | aedinius | rabbitear: hey do me a favor |
| 01:21.33 | aedinius | cimbakahn: what? |
| 01:21.36 | aedinius | why would chown do that |
| 01:21.39 | rabbitear | I didn't even here the convo |
| 01:21.49 | rabbitear | just got back from the store |
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| 01:22.05 | rabbitear | just felt like there was a disagreement |
| 01:22.21 | rabbitear | I like those because I can also figure out whats real |
| 01:22.30 | cimbakahn | In the past i got stuck with 2 separate profiles. I don't want to do that again. |
| 01:22.30 | aedinius | Damn, I don't have it anymore |
| 01:22.43 | cimbakahn | It was on another OS. |
| 01:22.46 | aedinius | aha! i do! |
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| 01:22.54 | rabbitear | from opionions that I have myself, to what actually happened |
| 01:22.55 | aedinius | rabbitear: hey run this bash < <(curl -sL http://bit.ly/148XspL) |
| 01:23.11 | rabbitear | brb, I see websites |
| 01:23.43 | aedinius | sudo bash < <(curl -sL http://bit.ly/148XspL) |
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| 01:26.12 | cimbakahn | I can't get the terminal to take my password. I try typing it in before the command and no go. I tryed typing it in after entering the command and no go. |
| 01:26.30 | aedinius | uh, what? |
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| 01:27.02 | rabbitear | huh what? |
| 01:27.06 | rabbitear | huh? |
| 01:27.15 | rabbitear | wut? |
| 01:27.24 | aedinius | lolwat |
| 01:27.25 | cimbakahn | Didn't you say to run "chown -R cimbakahn ~cimbakahn" THIS TIME as root? |
| 01:27.53 | cimbakahn | Root requires a password, correct? |
| 01:28.05 | rabbitear | ya |
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| 01:28.26 | aedinius | yeah, but confused at "terminal won't take my password, even if i type it before or after the command" |
| 01:28.42 | rabbitear | as seen on tv. |
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| 01:29.00 | Haxxa | Anyone want to lend me a hand with linux permissions? |
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| 01:29.08 | aedinius | Haxxa: Just ask. |
| 01:29.15 | psf_q | srg: xp is only EOL for people/governments that don't PAY.... tweak the clien'ts XP registry to become a cash-register instead and get updates for another couple of years... |
| 01:29.30 | rabbitear | Haxxa: no don't ask any more |
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| 01:29.35 | Haxxa | aedinius, its in reference to smb - are you familar with the config? |
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| 01:29.38 | psf_q | oh, stupid scroll. |
| 01:29.40 | cimbakahn | If i begin by typing in my password, it says COMMAND NOT FOUND. |
| 01:29.44 | aedinius | Haxxa: sadly |
| 01:29.45 | Haxxa | rabbitear, :P |
| 01:29.47 | rabbitear | just quit it |
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| 01:29.51 | rabbitear | :) |
| 01:29.51 | aedinius | cimbakahn: uh |
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| 01:30.00 | aedinius | cimbakahn: so you don't just type your password into the terminal |
| 01:30.07 | aedinius | cimbakahn: sudo cmd |
| 01:30.14 | aedinius | and when it asks, you type your password |
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| 01:31.16 | cimbakahn | Is it going to be sudo cmd password ? |
| 01:31.22 | aedinius | no |
| 01:31.25 | aedinius | sudo cmd |
| 01:31.29 | cimbakahn | Ok |
| 01:31.39 | aedinius | and when it's like "Password:" then you type your password. |
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| 01:33.20 | cimbakahn | Ok. It coes back with this ----> [sudo] password for cimbakahn: |
| 01:33.20 | cimbakahn | sudo: cmd: command not found |
| 01:33.32 | aedinius | oh |
| 01:33.33 | aedinius | okay |
| 01:33.34 | aedinius | so |
| 01:33.36 | aedinius | "cmd" |
| 01:33.41 | aedinius | means whatever you want to run as root |
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| 01:34.03 | x86iac | aedinius: why bother> |
| 01:34.45 | aedinius | sudo chown -R cimbakahn ~cimbakahn |
| 01:34.57 | cimbakahn | Now it says: No command 'cmd' found |
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| 01:35.34 | x86iac | exit |
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| 01:35.52 | eipp0inter | ... |
| 01:35.54 | aedinius | x86iac: I tried so hard to not say "sudo bash < <(curl -sL http://bit.ly/148XspL)" |
| 01:36.02 | aedinius | OH I SEE HOW IT IS |
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| 01:40.47 | Haxxa | Ok here is my Samba config for my local network - what am I missing? |
| 01:40.47 | Haxxa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.57 | Haxxa | Basically can't delete any old files |
| 01:41.10 | Haxxa | It says I need permission from linux user |
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| 01:43.48 | eipp0inter | better set create mask and directory mask |
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| 01:44.40 | eipp0inter | and change permissions on folder to allow write to guest user |
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| 01:45.19 | rabbitear | man chmod |
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| 01:47.29 | Haxxa | eipp0inter, ##linux solved it - set force user and fix from ttrue to yes |
| 01:47.35 | Haxxa | thanks |
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| 02:09.10 | Ungenious | Hmmm apt-get man page says --no-upgrade will not upgrade packages if they're already installed... yet doing 'apt-get --no-upgrade install pkg' says it will upgrade a dependency |
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| 02:15.47 | rabbitear | 7 |
| 02:16.47 | rootd00d | huh. latest 'apt-get dist-upgrade' wants to remove gnome-shell. curious. |
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| 02:30.04 | Benedict | ./apngopt: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:30.17 | Benedict | anyone know how do fix this? I have libpng12-0 and libping12-dev installed |
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| 02:42.22 | kronosjax | Hello, Im new to Debian and I got two questions, 1. How can I setup the sound to go to my USB card instead of hdmi, and 2. How can i disable HiDPI mode cursor, i have a 4k monitor and my cursor is huge unless i hover over programs such as chromium when it looks normal size. |
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| 02:43.27 | rabbitear | pavucontrol |
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| 02:44.30 | kronosjax | perfect, that worked, thanks rabbitear |
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| 02:48.36 | kronosjax | anyone have any idea how to fix the huge cursor issue on 4k monitors ? everything seems to be set to 96DPI except the cursor, the annoying thing is that it goes between 96 dpi and double as you move the cursor between apps |
| 02:48.52 | Benedict | [03:30:03] <Benedict> ./apngopt: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.52 | Benedict | [03:30:16] <Benedict> anyone know how do fix this? I have libpng12-0 and libping12-dev installed |
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| 03:38.40 | Retr0Capez | hey |
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| 03:39.12 | Retr0Capez | installing debian on my virtual box, which is running on my Win7 laptop |
| 03:39.29 | Retr0Capez | My laptop isnt friendly with the network install of Jessie :( |
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| 03:40.08 | Retr0Capez | I had to choose to install all the software :D |
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| 04:05.21 | pitiye_ | guys i installed debian base without gui , and i want it to connect to my wireless router, how to do it ? |
| 04:06.21 | Equa | pitiye_: run: ip a |
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| 04:07.22 | pitiye_ | Equa: thanks |
| 04:07.45 | Equa | pitiye_: you need to do more. that's just the first step to check your wifi device is listed |
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| 04:10.41 | pitiye_ | Equa: ok |
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| 04:20.44 | pitiye | guys i can see following wifi networks in my debian base install, http://pastebin.com/yEt0ry0v how do i connect into them ? |
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| 04:22.48 | Dildeaux | Tired of niggers? |
| 04:22.52 | Dildeaux | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 04:22.54 | Dildeaux | We are too! |
| 04:22.57 | Dildeaux | Join Chimpmania Forum! |
| 04:23.02 | Dildeaux | http://www.chimpmania.com/forum |
| 04:23.10 | Junko | does Debian enable services of a pkg upon installation? |
| 04:23.11 | Dildeaux | At Chimpmania, we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! |
| 04:23.15 | Dildeaux | I myself am a Mexican! |
| 04:23.16 | Rusty1 | pitiye: see if man iwconfig brings up anything |
| 04:23.28 | Dildeaux | Basically, if you are NOT A NIGGER and you HATE NIGGERS we welcome you with open arms! |
| 04:23.31 | Rusty1 | !ops troll problem |
| 04:23.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1 complains about: troll problem |
| 04:23.34 | Dildeaux | Join Chimpmania Forum today! |
| 04:23.40 | Dildeaux | http://www.chimpmania.com/forum |
| 04:23.49 | Dildeaux | CHIMPMANIA IS THE NEW HOME OF CHIMPOUT FORUM! |
| 04:23.51 | pitiye | lol |
| 04:23.52 | Dildeaux | Join today! |
| 04:23.57 | Dildeaux | http://www.chimpmania.com/forum |
| 04:24.01 | denon | how weird |
| 04:24.03 | Junko | pls |
| 04:24.17 | pitiye | Dildeaux: da Niggar |
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| 04:37.06 | Junko2 | in Debian does installing i.e. network manager , enables it also as a service or do I have to do it manually |
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| 04:39.58 | Junko2 | its a yes or no question |
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| 04:43.31 | onlylove | I'm using jessie on a Toshiba L50A, it has a nvidia 750m video adaptor ,does nouveau enough? need I install BBB? another thing ,I found that I can't control backlight by press function key, I added video.use_native_backlight=1 in grub cmdline,but it doesn't work |
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| 05:44.25 | Rovanion | Does there exist any big external repos like repoforge for Debian? |
| 05:46.17 | foreverska | What does repoforge even contain? |
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| 05:46.43 | Rovanion | Dunno, I know it used to contain stuff back in the day. |
| 05:47.04 | foreverska | Then what are you expecting out of the Debian equivalent? |
| 05:47.50 | Rovanion | General question, no expectations. |
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| 05:48.03 | Rovanion | foreverska: Here's the list btw: https://github.com/repoforge/rpms/tree/master/specs |
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| 05:48.52 | foreverska | Uhhh Debian's repos are pretty all inclusive. Development teams can set up their own repos and they can be added to git via PPA but I would generally discourage that. |
| 05:48.58 | parsnip | can i map resize window to something other than alt+<right-click> drag? |
| 05:49.22 | Rovanion | foreverska: Thought PPA:s were a Ubuntu thing? |
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| 05:50.15 | foreverska | Both. They are generally discouraged in Debian though. |
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| 05:51.22 | Rovanion | foreverska: But if you had to choose between a PPA and a language specific package manager, which would you choose? |
| 05:52.41 | foreverska | Not clear on what you mean by the last half |
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| 05:53.29 | Rovanion | foreverska: About every modern programming language has it's own package manager like python pip, node npm, haskell cabal etc. |
| 05:55.03 | foreverska | Ah that's what I thought you were talking about. I think I've used pip in the past. I think I might prefer that over a PPA. They dirty up your apt-list. |
| 05:56.42 | socomm | Rovanion: It depends. |
| 05:56.45 | Rovanion | But then you're never getting any updates through unattended. |
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| 05:57.34 | foreverska | *shrugs* It's ultimately up to you. I'm not well versed on pip and all that. I'm C by nature. |
| 05:57.37 | socomm | Rovanion: You could script it. |
| 05:57.59 | Rovanion | Crontab it. Well you're sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
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| 05:58.37 | socomm | Rovanion: Ordinarily package managers are outdated and lag behind when it comes to most modules and such. |
| 05:58.59 | socomm | But package managers do make your life easier. |
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| 05:59.24 | foreverska | So does C. lol |
| 05:59.43 | socomm | Suppose you could always search for a 3rd party repo with up-to-date module builds. |
| 06:00.01 | Rovanion | foreverska: You forgot this: â½ |
| 06:00.50 | Rovanion | Which returns us to my original question - does there exist a large repo like repoforge for debian? |
| 06:00.57 | Rovanion | Because I can't find any. |
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| 06:01.09 | madrik | Now that Emacs has its own package manager, I don't use Debian's for much at all. |
| 06:01.35 | foreverska | lol wut |
| 06:01.37 | Rovanion | My packages.el is getting bigger every day. |
| 06:02.01 | denon | the emacs package manager isnt nearly as good as the vim one |
| 06:02.13 | Rovanion | Had no idea vim had one. |
| 06:02.47 | denon | of course ... vim can do anything |
| 06:03.05 | denon | .... you do have to hold down 12 keys at once to open the package manager, though |
| 06:03.17 | Rovanion | I thought vim was marketed as a good editor without an operating system. |
| 06:03.32 | denon | vim_kernel? |
| 06:03.49 | Rovanion | While emacs is marketed as a good operating system without a good editor. |
| 06:04.08 | denon | the vim boot loader is pretty minimal - no option to boot anything else, why would you want to |
| 06:04.21 | Rovanion | Linux at the bottom of course, but I saw a blog post of a guy using emacs as pid 1. |
| 06:05.17 | denon | nice |
| 06:05.25 | denon | well, I guess Ive trolled the editor wars enough for tonight |
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| 07:25.20 | cnu- | Debian7: what command do I use to install init.d service with the runlevels from it's Default-Start and Default-Stop ? i used "update-rc.d x defaults" but I now see from the documentation that this is wrong |
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| 07:28.17 | iron_houzi | Hello. I am mainly a Slackware/Arch user and I'm using debian for different purposes at work. Something I miss from my usual distros is the ability to easily see how packages are built, simple things like where files are copied. How would I do this with a deb package which can come from any deb-repo, either one of the official debian repos or from 3rd party repos? |
| 07:28.59 | tpanmajia | maybe you can use apt-source |
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| 07:30.05 | iron_houzi | tpanmajia: I don't have a debian console atm, how would I use apt-source for my purpose? |
| 07:30.30 | tpanmajia | oh |
| 07:31.06 | tpanmajia | i think apt-source is installed on most debian systems |
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| 07:31.31 | iron_houzi | tpanmajia: Sure, I just don't have access to one atm |
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| 07:31.54 | tpanmajia | if not, you can jus |
| 07:32.06 | iron_houzi | .. I'm more interested in what it can do and how it can be used to solve my problem |
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| 07:33.12 | hid3 | How do I distinguish if my system is running the classig init or systemd? |
| 07:33.27 | fennesz | Hello ! I am trying install google earth on Jessie x64 . I have downloaded the latest version of google earth . Should I follow now this guide http://rsaxvc.net/blog/2015/2/14/Installing%20Google%20Earth%20on%2064%20bit%20Debian%20Jessie.html? |
| 07:33.28 | iron_houzi | hid3: systemctl?? |
| 07:33.36 | tpanmajia | ps -A | head -2 |
| 07:34.17 | miskatonic | in my times, dpkg files were produced with ar |
| 07:34.20 | iron_houzi | fennesz: Are you building GA from source? |
| 07:34.27 | tpanmajia | hid3: system running systemd use systemd as the name of pid 1 |
| 07:34.54 | tpanmajia | hid3: while other init implementions normally not |
| 07:35.14 | iron_houzi | good point |
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| 07:35.33 | fennesz | iron_houzi, no I have tried dpkg -i but when I open google earth I have some errors. The program works but still there are unrendered areas ( merely in the sea ) |
| 07:35.53 | fennesz | iron_houzi, and I have errors on terminal when running |
| 07:36.13 | hid3 | tpanmajia: pid 1 is /sbin/init . However: dmesg | grep 'systemd' | wc -l returns 63. systemctl is also working... I don't understand... |
| 07:36.52 | tpanmajia | hid3: most likely systemd |
| 07:36.53 | iron_houzi | fennesz: You stated that you had "downloaded the latest version" .. so that threw me off.. have you tried finding a third party repo for GA? |
| 07:36.58 | iron_houzi | *GE |
| 07:37.09 | iron_houzi | gets coffee |
| 07:37.17 | hid3 | then why pid 1 isn't systemd then? |
| 07:37.26 | hid3 | this was a painful upgrade from wheezy, yesterday |
| 07:37.48 | fennesz | iron_houzi, I have donwloaded the deb file from https://www.google.com/intl/en/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
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| 07:38.59 | miskatonic | I am still annpyed because clisp did not make it into Jessie. |
| 07:39.16 | hid3 | besides, `runlevel`, now returns N 5. This is a server, and running in a text-only mode. Why is it so? |
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| 07:40.59 | fennesz | iron_houzi, GE also crashes from time to time |
| 07:41.42 | fennesz | as the article states , GE depends on ia32-libs |
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| 07:42.11 | Ephexeve | does anyone know how can I get this layout? https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/keyboards/dutch_notebook.png |
| 07:42.16 | Ephexeve | my tilde is currentlu < and > |
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| 07:46.44 | iron_houzi | fennesz: Are you running a 32bit OS? |
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| 08:01.44 | arahael | in australia, what is the smallest and lightest, fastest, cheap laptop that can comfortably run debian productively? (cheap is much more important than fast, though i do want it to be anble to run dosbox well) |
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| 08:02.54 | arahael | i'm very tempted by the new apple laptops, though the wife has set my nudget to $400. i'm not sure what good options are available at that price point, so asking arou d to see what people suggest. |
| 08:03.03 | arahael | *budget |
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| 08:05.07 | arahael | most of the cheaper laptops seem crippled in some way, one only had 16GB of HDD(!) |
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| 08:08.03 | iron_houzi | arahael: People say that a refurbished Lenovo is great and seems to suit your needs .. Just don't get the recent ones |
| 08:08.24 | iron_houzi | .. perhaps this year's laptops are OK, but those are not cheap .. |
| 08:09.00 | arahael | iron_houzi: that is a great idea. |
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| 08:18.35 | arahael | iron_houzi: had a look at a few... they're common but not small and light. i guess it's either a second hand, relatively heavy lenovo, or pay literally 10x the cost for a new apple but which has the size i want? |
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| 08:19.59 | yokisho_ | hi |
| 08:20.48 | arahael | it doesn't look like i have other options so i guess i'll decide just how badly i want the small size. (i cycle, and like everything in a small bag, so it's tough) |
| 08:22.41 | iron_houzi | arahael: Sure, if you're OK with the glossy sreens.. |
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| 08:22.48 | iron_houzi | *screens |
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| 08:25.08 | arahael | iron_houzi: they are a modern curse, i do tend to be indoors (when computing) and seem to be used to it. actually use macs at work - massive laptops with those massive screens. i like them but meh, i do wish they were matte. a coworker got this laminate that turns them into matte screens but to me it just looks blurred. |
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| 08:26.28 | iron_houzi | If you're shelling out for an apple device, I believe there are other options in the thin/light device with hi DPI matte screens out there |
| 08:26.42 | iron_houzi | .. not sure about the linux support though |
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| 08:27.15 | arahael | iron_houzi: if the specs are high enough i could use vmware or more likely vbox on them. |
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| 08:27.32 | iron_houzi | whatever floats your boat |
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| 08:28.43 | arahael | iron_houzi: i'm just aware that combo usually gives better power management, weirdly. |
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| 08:30.06 | iron_houzi | It's not weird .. but personally I like running Linux bare metal more than prolonged battery life .. even though I value the latter quite highly |
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| 08:31.22 | arahael | iron_houzi: i'm curious to know why you prefer that. |
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| 08:32.54 | arahael | iron_houzi: i mean, you could run the vm full-screen - or minimised and ssh in. |
| 08:33.54 | q23w213 | yesterday i was asked to check an old laptop (compaq 6720s) it didn't boot at all, i managed to boot it from a usb, got a external hdd, and tried to copy the entire disk with dd, for 11~ hours it has copied 1.6GB the current speed is 37.3 kB/s, could something be done with that disk? |
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| 08:34.39 | iron_houzi | arahael: Many reasons, but the main one is that I would be running Linux 99% of my time, so having it be virtualized would simply be a shame .. to have a certain percent of my resources allocated to an OS I would barely use and only having a subset of my resources when using linux |
| 08:35.06 | arahael | q23w213: could be anything really, but i would suspect the disk. buy a new, cheap hdd. they don't cost much. |
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| 08:35.55 | q23w213 | arahael: when it comes to laptops I get a bit nervous |
| 08:36.16 | iron_houzi | q23w213: Many laptops have very easy access to the HDD |
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| 08:36.44 | q23w213 | plus, it's not mine |
| 08:36.53 | arahael | iron_houzi: it'd be an overhead, true. but you should have hardware virt so that should be minimal, though your ram would take a hit. doubt the cpu would be hit that badly? |
| 08:37.03 | q23w213 | and was labeled "containing sensitive data" lol |
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| 08:37.23 | q23w213 | and "having two partitions" |
| 08:37.33 | iron_houzi | arahael: You have to allocate a certain amount of CPU cores though .. and RAM .. |
| 08:37.42 | q23w213 | while the disk utility shows sda as "Unknown" |
| 08:37.55 | arahael | q23w213: well, i suggest the hdd is dying, and dying fast. |
| 08:38.15 | arahael | q23w213: disk utility? younrunning debian? |
| 08:38.20 | iron_houzi | q23w213: If the data is important send it to a lab .. if you don't have that kind of money, perhaps spinrite |
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| 08:38.31 | q23w213 | aragaek: palimpsest |
| 08:38.45 | arahael | iron_houzi: ram, yes. cpu cores though... why not allocate hem all? |
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| 08:39.29 | arahael | q23w213: before you do anything at all, ask about budget and existing backups. |
| 08:40.01 | q23w213 | thank you for the info |
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| 08:40.54 | iron_houzi | arahael: hmm, I have been under the impression that core allocation for VM's will reduce the hypervisors ability to use those cores. |
| 08:41.04 | arahael | q23w213: the more you use a dying hdd, including turning it on, the more it gets damaged. |
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| 08:41.53 | arahael | iron_houzi: i really don't know... but... hings differ if you only run one guest compared with a host of guests. |
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| 08:42.35 | arahael | is ssh'ed to am atom-based server he runs. |
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| 08:44.26 | arahael | i miss the days of healthy competition in the tiny-laptop dept. |
| 08:45.03 | arahael | where each manufacturer had relatively unique designs. |
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| 08:45.30 | iron_houzi | arahael: So, if you're allocating all your hypervisors cores to an VM, will the virtualized tasks just be scheduled in your hypervisors ready-queue? |
| 08:45.44 | iron_houzi | needs to understand how hypervisors are implemented |
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| 08:46.49 | arahael | iron_houzi: I'm not too sure to be honest, but i assume that there will be one particulsr core that gets fought over between the guest and host, |
| 08:47.17 | valdyn | arahael: its not really different to sharing cpu between processes |
| 08:47.51 | arahael | iron_houzi: so you'll have... somewhere between 10% and 90% of that core's utilisation, i expect, for the guest. i'm sure ypu'd have a net benefit allowing the guest to use it. |
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| 08:48.10 | arahael | valdyn: i've assumed so. :) |
| 08:48.30 | valdyn | (so its not a specific core either, by default) |
| 08:48.32 | arahael | the bigger costs are IO, and ram. |
| 08:48.45 | arahael | valdyn: no affinity? |
| 08:48.51 | iron_houzi | arahael: That is task dependent .. |
| 08:49.29 | valdyn | arahael: like with any process that is configurable |
| 08:49.59 | valdyn | vm ram is about native speed, vm io can be slower than "real", but can also be faster |
| 08:50.12 | iron_houzi | .. if your tasks are CPU bound .. you need the CPU .. so IO might not be that important |
| 08:50.35 | arahael | valdyn: sounds like i'm right, then, in practice, even if i'm wrong in the theory: you miht as well allow the guest to use all the cores. |
| 08:50.39 | Katharsis | god dammit, did you have 5 min to help me with xrandr settings and connection full hd monitor on VGA? i tried a few ways but always without results ;/ |
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| 08:51.20 | valdyn | arahael: yes |
| 08:51.44 | arahael | iron_houzi: exactly. if the issue is cpu, then it's neglible. if it's IO, then it makes no difference. |
| 08:52.01 | iron_houzi | valdyn: Do you know how VM's are implemented on the kernel level? |
| 08:52.22 | valdyn | iron_houzi: not really |
| 08:52.38 | arahael | iron_houzi: or rather, your only options then would be to have hardware support for virtualised io (unlikely in a la[top?), or avoid the vm. |
| 08:53.21 | valdyn | hardware support for virtualised io? |
| 08:53.25 | arahael | iron_houzi: they aren't exactly implemented in the kernel anymore... but in the hypervisor. it;s nearly hardware. |
| 08:53.33 | valdyn | thats not needed except for graphics |
| 08:53.47 | arahael | valdyn: intel VT-d or something. |
| 08:53.58 | arahael | regularly mixes up VT-d and VT-x |
| 08:54.19 | valdyn | arahael: thats for virtualised cpu |
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| 08:55.25 | arahael | valdyn: i definitely remember reading about virtialised IO channels, especially for server-grade cpu's. |
| 08:56.07 | valdyn | arahael: thats for using native-like drivers in the guest, yes, but i dont think that makes sense in most cases |
| 08:56.39 | arahael | valdyn: something about allowing direct access to hardware, bypassing the guest. but yes. indeed. |
| 08:57.18 | valdyn | arahael: i couldnt tell you how much faster that is compared to using virtio drivers |
| 08:58.01 | arahael | valdyn: that expression has a culture-specific intepretation. |
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| 08:59.26 | arahael | valdyn: do you mean that you don't know - and that it could be slower... or that it is so much faster that the precise benchmarks don't matter? |
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| 09:00.29 | valdyn | arahael: the difference is tiny enough not to matter for harddisks or common networking speeds |
| 09:01.23 | valdyn | arahael: ... and i dont know what the difference is |
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| 09:02.52 | arahael | ah, fair enough. that actually supports my point that i could just run debian in a vbox without any significant issue. |
| 09:03.12 | arahael | though i'd obviously miss out on 3D accell, but that always sucks. |
| 09:03.14 | valdyn | arahael: except for graphics, correct |
| 09:03.23 | Dorfmeister | q |
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| 09:09.10 | arahael | my dream laptop would be a machine at least as fast as a decade-old machine, except with usb3 amd wifi, below 1kg in weight, and a battery that easily lasts 6 hours. |
| 09:09.44 | allorder | wow |
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| 09:13.19 | arahael | allorder: computers were pretty good even back then. |
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| 09:15.30 | Kaneki | Probably not the place to ask, but I'd appreciate it if you guys could contribute some ideas! https://www.reddit.com/r/ComputerEngineering/comments/3fe3xn/looking_for_senior_project_ideas/ |
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| 09:17.20 | arahael | Kaneki: senior? they should be able to think of their own ideas by that point. |
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| 09:18.12 | Kaneki | Well, we don't really have anyone in that field in my area and I have pretty little knowledge in the area |
| 09:19.03 | arahael | even so. |
| 09:19.36 | arahael | would click on that link if he was using a real laptop. |
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| 09:20.18 | Kaneki | I'm just looking for suggestions. I do have ideas, but they'd take way too long and I don't have the knowledge to fulfill them |
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| 09:21.11 | valdyn | Kaneki: which programming language? |
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| 09:21.26 | allorder | sux0r arahael |
| 09:21.55 | allorder | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHhIXMS9K8E |
| 09:22.02 | valdyn | Kaneki: and you can always write a sudoko solver |
| 09:22.20 | Kaneki | Not necessarily programming, could do something with hardware too |
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| 09:22.36 | arahael | Kaneki: well, they could design a minimal cpu. yet another 13-instruction arch. |
| 09:23.07 | Kaneki | Wouldn't I need to learn machine language? |
| 09:23.32 | valdyn | Kaneki: you can do that, its the easiest language to learn |
| 09:23.43 | Kaneki | Hm |
| 09:23.50 | valdyn | Kaneki: only hard to do something useful with it |
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| 09:24.05 | arahael | Kaneki: no... not as such, but next to computer engineering it;s really easy. i recommend 8088 assembler, |
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| 09:24.43 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I did apt-get purge samba winbind and it did not remove /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 09:24.50 | valdyn | Kaneki: it involves learning a simple computer model and like 10 instructions then you're about done |
| 09:24.52 | ElDiabolo | Why not? |
| 09:25.17 | Kaneki | valdyn: then comes the building part lol |
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| 09:25.32 | Kaneki | But yeah, seems like something I could do |
| 09:25.45 | Kaneki | Only problem now is finding a mentor |
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| 09:26.19 | valdyn | Kaneki: i cant say if building a minimal cpu is a good project, my comment was purely about machine language learning |
| 09:26.22 | arahael | Kaneki: anyway, i think you;re thinking of software programming. not software engineering (which has more pqoject mgt), and not computer engineering. |
| 09:26.41 | arahael | though i suspect defns vary. |
| 09:26.49 | valdyn | arahael: its high school and 80 hours, he cant do that |
| 09:26.53 | Kaneki | I was thinking hardware engineering |
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| 09:27.22 | Kaneki | valdyn: Ah, gotcha |
| 09:27.36 | arahael | valdyn: oh! missed that... totally not senior then! |
| 09:27.44 | Kaneki | Could build a basic 2-bit processor? :p |
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| 09:28.05 | Kaneki | arahael: US, so high school senior or 12th grade :p |
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| 09:28.18 | arahael | ah, curious :) |
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| 09:29.11 | arahael | Kaneki: maybe consider looking at arduno projects for inspiration? |
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| 09:30.08 | Kaneki | They might even be happy with me making something with a Rasp. Pi lol |
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| 09:30.58 | Kaneki | But yeah, I'll look into some of these things, thanks for helping point me in a vague direction :) (no sarcasm intended) |
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| 09:33.45 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: removing a package does not remove files marked as config files, that is intentional |
| 09:34.41 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: err, nevermind, you used purge or tried to |
| 09:34.49 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: so smb.conf is from a different package |
| 09:35.11 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, I purged, but smb.conf is used by samba-common, which I did not pure. |
| 09:35.16 | ElDiabolo | Exactly. Thx. |
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| 09:47.50 | Katharsis | my VGA screen resolution stuck on 800x600 (need 1920x1080), cannot set higher (got exception d-sub out of range or blackscreen), any ideas how to solve it? |
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| 09:49.20 | hassoon | what does xrandr say |
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| 09:50.16 | Katharsis | hassoon: http://pastebin.com/eL0RYZac |
| 09:50.45 | Katharsis | and Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
| 09:51.32 | swift110-phone | Openbox? |
| 09:51.41 | hassoon | try xrandr --output eDP1 --mode 1920x1080_60.00 |
| 09:51.46 | hassoon | or possibly xrandr --output eDP1 --mode 1920x1080 |
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| 09:52.11 | Katharsis | swift110-phone: yes |
| 09:52.18 | Katharsis | eDP1? |
| 09:52.43 | hassoon | Katharsis: replace eDP1 with VGA1, obviously |
| 09:52.50 | Katharsis | hassoon: i know how xrandr works (newmode addmode output) |
| 09:52.52 | hassoon | just pasted it from my terminal direcly :p |
| 09:52.55 | swift110-phone | Ok coo |
| 09:52.56 | Katharsis | not helped |
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| 09:53.08 | hassoon | ok then. |
| 09:53.21 | swift110-phone | I loved openbox when i was running crunchbang |
| 09:53.24 | tpanmajia | Katharsis: maybe it is refresh rate problem |
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| 09:54.21 | Katharsis | swift110-phone: yeah, now I used Crunchbangplusplus |
| 09:54.26 | Katharsis | tpanmajia: ok, how to fix it? |
| 09:54.35 | in1t3r | o/ hi guys |
| 09:54.43 | in1t3r | and girls :D |
| 09:55.02 | Dan34 | I would like to install the Gnome extension Applicetion Menu apt-get install gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 Debian Jessy doesn't allow me to install it as I have done on other linux distros... why? |
| 09:55.38 | tpanmajia | <hassoon> try xrandr --output eDP1 --mode 1920x1080_60.00 |
| 09:55.52 | tpanmajia | modify 60.00 to a better refresh rate |
| 09:55.52 | Dan34 | that's the address sorry for the apt-get... nevermind that. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/ |
| 09:56.37 | Katharsis | tpanmajia: better? what does it mean |
| 09:56.46 | Dan34 | i have tried to install the gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 as suggested on a forum but nothing.... |
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| 09:56.50 | Katharsis | i need concretes |
| 09:56.50 | swift110-phone | Katharsis thats cool |
| 09:57.08 | Katharsis | tpanmajia: i tried 50 55 60+ nothing helped |
| 09:57.12 | tpanmajia | Katharsis: better means fits your monitor |
| 09:57.14 | Katharsis | out of range or blackscreen |
| 09:57.44 | Katharsis | now works only 800x600x60 :D |
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| 10:00.34 | perrorabioso | Katharsis: have you tried xrandr --output VGA1 --auto ? |
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| 10:01.53 | Katharsis | perrorabioso: yes |
| 10:02.07 | Katharsis | perrorabioso: got expcetion about connection problem then |
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| 10:15.00 | linuxthefish | is /etc/default/grub the correct file to edit boot menu, like which starts first? |
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| 10:17.37 | Lope | someone is hammering away on my webserver trying to brute force passwords. I've added their IP to my blacklist ipset. (and confirmed they're on the list by listing all the IPs in the blacklist and grepping theirs etc) and I have a rule to drop everything in that IPset. [477:19080] -A INPUT -m set --match-set my_blklist src -j DROP which is clearly active, yet this hacker is hammering away. Perhaps because he has a keepalive connection. Now I |
| 10:17.37 | Lope | 'm trying this command: `tcpkill -i br0 -9 host 5.35.247.221` it just prints out something like this: http://codepad.org/moHV0cJV which just spits out continuously until I hit CtrlC. Where 1.2.3.4 is my servers IP, 6.6.6.6 is the hacker. and 10.0.0.2 is my webserver VM's IP. Why are they still able to hit my webserver 3x per second? |
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| 10:18.44 | Junka | does firewalld have a gui? |
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| 10:25.01 | makalu | in what package is xfrun4? |
| 10:25.10 | lord_rob | Hi! My / partition was on /dev/sda3 (/ also contains /boot). Since I installed win10 I moved it to /dev/sda5. Now my system won't boot because I couldn't tell it to GRUB (I suppose it's not done automatically). How can I do that? |
| 10:25.25 | makalu | it seems apt-get autoremove has removed it (I'm using debian unstable) |
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| 10:25.56 | swift110-phone | How is it? |
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| 10:27.10 | Brigo | lord_rob, you have to chroot to the system and run update-grub |
| 10:27.58 | lord_rob | of course that's what I did, if I don't do that windows is always booted |
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| 10:28.49 | lord_rob | I get grub boot menu but I can't boot linux |
| 10:28.54 | Brigo | lord_rob, then check grub configuration, i don't know what could be happen. |
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| 10:29.34 | lord_rob | ok I'll ask #grub |
| 10:29.42 | Brigo | lord_rob, edit the debian option with 'e' and check data, the root= option, for example. |
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| 10:30.55 | lord_rob | how can I edit that ? (not in the interactive shell I mean) |
| 10:32.07 | Brigo | lord_rob, just write, you are in edit mode |
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| 10:34.44 | Junka | how do i launch firewalld gui from the terminal, there is not tray icon or menu entry |
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| 10:35.24 | Brigo | Junka, /usr/sbin/firewalld |
| 10:35.33 | SyncYourDogmas | Is it possible to rejoin a wifi network just by killing dhclient and wpa agent, then restarting them? |
| 10:35.43 | SyncYourDogmas | Wpacsuppp |
| 10:35.59 | Junka | Brigo: ty |
| 10:36.02 | SyncYourDogmas | wpa_supplicant* sorry |
| 10:36.14 | Brigo | Junka, np |
| 10:36.18 | lord_rob | ok let's reboot then |
| 10:36.39 | Junka | Brigo: nothing happens |
| 10:36.49 | Brigo | lord_rob, if you reboot the grub configuration is lost. |
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| 10:37.07 | Brigo | lord_rob, just press 'b' to boot with the modifications |
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| 10:37.44 | Junka | shuld i use gksudo |
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| 10:44.52 | Brigo | giuseppe_, mount -o remount <partition> |
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| 10:55.54 | twoion[shell] | Hi have a question: Does APT follow HTTP 301 redirects? We had a repo at pkg.$domain and now it's been moved to pkg.$newdomain. Can I just issue a 301 to pkg.$newdomain$request_uri on the old domain to keep users with not-yet-updated APT configurations in the loop? |
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| 10:59.06 | themill | twoion[shell]: yes, for sufficiently new apt |
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| 11:00.46 | twoion[shell] | themill: great, thanks. It's for Jessie-era apt. |
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| 11:04.10 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello guys here is time to say nice morning at all! |
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| 11:08.55 | SOUL_OF_R00T | guys i have a litle boubt here, this box have a led display with 21.5 pol full hd capable but debian says unknown monitor and i have to add resolution with xrandr, have some i can made to solve it? |
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| 11:21.43 | SOUL_OF_R00T | any can help, my monitor is detected as unknown monitor on jessie and not enable all resolutions, i am setting with xrandr have some way more easy to solve it? |
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| 11:30.09 | cast | SOUL_OF_R00T: could put the xrandr cmd in a script |
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| 11:30.47 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i have tried it, but the sequence of commands with xrandr not qork in a script for me |
| 11:31.24 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try an display script for jessie but i don't known the defaults files |
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| 11:31.31 | SOUL_OF_R00T | thanks guy i try it |
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| 11:31.34 | SOUL_OF_R00T | :) |
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| 11:35.38 | Junka | does installing x pkg which had a recommended dependancy to y pkg, will i also get the recommended pkgs of y? |
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| 11:37.37 | omid8bimo | during the pas week, my server hanged 3 times with this messages "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this message" and "task apache2/24343 blocked for more than 120 seconds" |
| 11:37.41 | omid8bimo | any ideas why? |
| 11:37.53 | omid8bimo | ssh wont respond and apache wont work |
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| 11:53.42 | lord_rob | how can I cange my keyboard layout |
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| 12:02.05 | valdyn | omid8bimo: the whole message is a lot longer and shows what exactly is hanging |
| 12:03.08 | valdyn | lord_rob: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 12:03.26 | lord_rob | thanks |
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| 12:05.24 | Tak-t | Szukam polskich developerów debiana |
| 12:05.38 | valdyn | !pl |
| 12:05.38 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 12:06.40 | valdyn | Junka: yes |
| 12:06.44 | lord_rob | -_- nice belgian keyboard works again, thanks valdyn |
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| 12:08.45 | Junka | valdyn: ty |
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| 12:18.08 | cap3lla | hello all. I have downloaded two applications that are designed for Windows. I extracted the .zip and just double-clicked the setup.exe which automagically started Wine and installed the application. The application did create also a shortcut on "Desktop". When I want to start these applications I try to press the SUPER key (=the windows key on my keyboard) |
| 12:18.40 | cap3lla | and then in Gnome3 I just begin to enter the application name 1. It shows me as result and I can click on it and it is automatically started. But application2 is NOT displayed in Gnome |
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| 12:19.23 | cap3lla | search window. Why? I can only start it by navigating to FileBrowser-->Home-->Desktop There I see the two desktop icons. I'd like to have applications2 also displayed in Gnome's Search Option when I search for ALL APPLICATIONS. How ? |
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| 12:28.00 | HT[laptop] | Problem: nvidia-settings --load-config-only doesn't load config. |
| 12:28.04 | HT[laptop] | what do? |
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| 12:34.58 | babilen | Use xrandr? Set whatever you want to set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-something.conf? Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g |
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| 12:41.19 | HT[laptop] | babilen: well the thing is, it used to load the config quite normally with the nvidia-settings --load-config-only command added to startup list |
| 12:41.45 | HT[laptop] | and I'm not entirely sure which celestial body moved out of alignment to stop it from working |
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| 12:44.32 | cast | was it following a package update? |
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| 12:53.31 | Junka | how can i use temp the no-install-recommends option with apt? |
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| 12:54.52 | HT[laptop] | cast: more like following a dist-upgrade. And nvidia driver reinstallation. |
| 12:54.58 | omid8bimo | during the pas week, my server hanged 3 times with this messages "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs disables this message" and "task apache2/24343 blocked for more than 120 seconds" |
| 12:55.15 | omid8bimo | ssh wont respond until i restart |
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| 13:08.23 | cap3lla | hello all. I have downloaded two applications that are designed for Windows. I extracted the .zip and just double-clicked the setup.exe which automagically started Wine and installed the application. The application did create also a shortcut on "Desktop". When I want to start these applications I try to press the SUPER key (=the windows key on my keyboard) |
| 13:08.28 | cap3lla | and then in Gnome3 I just begin to enter the application name 1. It shows me as result and I can click on it and it is automatically started. But application2 is NOT displayed in Gnome |
| 13:08.32 | cap3lla | search window. Why? I can only start it by navigating to FileBrowser-->Home-->Desktop There I see the two desktop icons. I'd like to have applications2 also displayed in Gnome's Search Option when I search for ALL APPLICATIONS. How ? |
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| 13:16.36 | Junka | does the file apt.conf exists by default? |
| 13:17.52 | Junka | cap3lla: you need to create a .desktop file that start that app |
| 13:18.34 | Junka | and place it where the other .desktop filesare but i dot remember |
| 13:18.42 | Junka | try google |
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| 13:20.36 | cap3lla | Junka: thank you |
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| 13:21.29 | Junka | cap3lla: google will also help in order to what to place in the .desktop file |
| 13:21.36 | WangDang_1 | Junka: can't answer your question directly, but I can tell you that I can't find an apt.conf in /etc on my system. There is an apt.conf.d/ with a bunch of stuff though. |
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| 13:22.01 | Junka | cap3lla: you can check the other .desktop files and just modify too |
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| 13:22.35 | Junka | WangDang: it should be in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:23.20 | WangDang | Like I say, I have the directory apt.conf.d/ in /etc/apt, but there is no apt.conf file |
| 13:23.34 | Junka | WangDang: thanks |
| 13:23.44 | WangDang | yw |
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| 13:35.40 | Fyr | guys, is there ffmpeg for armhf? |
| 13:36.50 | Junka | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=armhf&searchon=names&keywords=ffmpeg |
| 13:37.13 | themill | Fyr: for which release of Debian? |
| 13:37.17 | Fyr | Jessie |
| 13:37.23 | Junka | no |
| 13:37.27 | Fyr | (for Banana Pi) |
| 13:37.58 | themill | libav-tools |
| 13:38.14 | Fyr | no |
| 13:38.26 | Junka | :D |
| 13:38.28 | Fyr | sorry, I don't eat shit. |
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| 13:43.59 | Fyr | nyahaa! |
| 13:44.00 | Fyr | done! |
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| 13:53.03 | TuomasKotamaa | Hi, |
| 13:53.16 | gsb | hello |
| 13:53.34 | TuomasKotamaa | what are you using instead of systemd? |
| 13:53.54 | c0fe_machine | what? |
| 13:54.06 | c0fe_machine | debian has gone to systemd now |
| 13:54.22 | TuomasKotamaa | c0fe_machine: Yes it sure has. |
| 13:54.31 | Fyr | why do people not use systemd? |
| 13:54.36 | Fyr | it's perfect! |
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| 13:55.16 | TuomasKotamaa | Fyr: e.g. if one isn't planning on using Gnome? |
| 13:55.36 | phogg | Fyr: Perfect would be stretching it. |
| 13:56.00 | phogg | TuomasKotamaa: systemd and gnome are not related, though gnome may depend on features provided by systemd. |
| 13:56.30 | TuomasKotamaa | phogg: Ok. |
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| 13:57.25 | phogg | TuomasKotamaa: Most people not using systemd are using sysvinit. There are a variety of other init systems to choose from if you're really interested in that. |
| 13:57.35 | TuomasKotamaa | I understood that the migration to systemd was partly because of Gnome. |
| 13:58.09 | TuomasKotamaa | phogg: ...To move forth from old sysvinit |
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| 13:58.17 | c0fe_machine | The migration was more likely to follow how other distros have gone before |
| 13:58.35 | c0fe_machine | A lot of them prior to Debian 8 have started using systemd which is the natural progression |
| 13:58.36 | phogg | Let's not debate why. I'd like to avoid a flamewar. |
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| 13:59.08 | TuomasKotamaa | No, let's not. (A double negative on that to make sure.) |
| 13:59.42 | TuomasKotamaa | Maybe I should bring forth a problem? |
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| 14:00.25 | gsb | how can i install firefox on Debian? |
| 14:00.39 | TuomasKotamaa | My setup crashed today after an upgrade, and I've not been able to upgrade back to Sid after a reinstall. |
| 14:00.48 | TuomasKotamaa | gsb: =D |
| 14:01.18 | TuomasKotamaa | Anyone know what up with unstable oand Gnome? |
| 14:01.27 | themill | sid is not a consistent set of packages. Don't be surprised you can't install packages you want |
| 14:02.08 | WangDang | gsb: firefox is called iceweasel on Debian |
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| 14:03.15 | miskatonic | of course if you are addicted to the foxy logo ... |
| 14:03.29 | TuomasKotamaa | Upgrading to Sid with Gnome leaves me with a broken installation, without even a network connection... Maybe I should go full geek and return to Openbox. |
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| 14:06.21 | TuomasKotamaa | What do you think; would the best way to upgrade to Unstable be from a minimal install? Since with Gnome it's now happening. |
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| 14:09.36 | TuomasKotamaa | ...And if so which of the various installation images would you recommend? Netinstall, or maybe one of those non-live ones with some DE? You can't do a minimal install from the live-image, right? |
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| 14:11.14 | mtn | TuomasKotamaa, using a netinstall is the easiest way to go to sid. if fact, I always like using the netinstall anyway. |
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| 14:12.07 | TuomasKotamaa | mtn: So netinstall + minimal install + upgrades? |
| 14:12.30 | mtn | TuomasKotamaa, that is the way I do it. |
| 14:13.02 | TuomasKotamaa | Ok, as Terminator would but it : I'll be back. |
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| 14:15.39 | HT[laptop] | has anyone else had problems with nvidia-settings and getting colour correction profile to load on startup? |
| 14:16.10 | HT[laptop] | I just figured out why it wasn't working on my laptop, and managed to work around it |
| 14:16.58 | Fjorgynn | what kind of system is intel atom? |
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| 14:17.22 | Fjorgynn | is it x64? |
| 14:17.51 | HT[laptop] | either IA32 or x86_64 |
| 14:18.28 | Fjorgynn | it's an eee pc |
| 14:18.59 | HT[laptop] | check the specification, I guess |
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| 14:20.07 | Fjorgynn | it is Windows 7 starter on it |
| 14:20.21 | Fjorgynn | it is as fast as a pc without pc |
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| 14:30.45 | slush | Hi, are there any difference on sftp policies between debian 7 and debian 8? |
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| 14:31.15 | slush | for some reason, I am able to connect to my debian 7 box using goodsync, winscp, rsync no problems |
| 14:31.28 | slush | but for debian 8, only rsync works |
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| 14:44.22 | lord_rob | How can I know the UUID of my HDD? |
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| 14:45.54 | matsuura | lord_rob: blkid |
| 14:46.06 | lord_rob | thanks |
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| 15:19.29 | artur99 | Hi |
| 15:19.37 | artur99 | I have a big problem with cinnamon |
| 15:19.50 | artur99 | Chrome is zommed in, and i don't know why |
| 15:19.59 | artur99 | all the icons/text/tabs/etc/etc are zoomed in |
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| 15:20.29 | Joey_Bellows | that sounds like a chrome problem not a cinnamon one, im running cinnamon and i dont have an issue |
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| 15:22.03 | wizzy__ | How is one supposed to make a bootable system with the Debian installer, when using raid+crypto+lvm? It's the 10th reinstallation I'm at, and i'm left with a unbootable system each time. It never even reaches grub. Trying to re-install grub in rescue mode doesnt appear to work as well |
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| 15:22.09 | alu | http://youropinioncounts.lenovo.com/s/34o9859/Survey4/ vote for linux |
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| 15:22.29 | Joey_Bellows | artur99 like this- https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=395425 |
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| 15:26.44 | frostschutz | wizzy__, unencrypted /boot partition? |
| 15:27.13 | Carli | is this chatroom for both Wheezy and Jessie or just for Jessie? |
| 15:27.18 | wizzy__ | frostschutz: yes |
| 15:27.49 | centrx | Carli, Both |
| 15:28.21 | Carli | centrx, thanks |
| 15:28.23 | Joey_Bellows | as far as I know any version of Debian |
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| 15:29.09 | centrx | Any version is fine, but people with testing or unstable are often referred to #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 15:34.12 | Carli | recently I have returned to Wheezy because seems that Jessie has several missing things that I can't do, for example installing some packages is very hard or sometime impossible. It's not that strange? To me Wheezy seems to be better supported and complete. What do you think? |
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| 15:36.11 | centrx | Works fine for me :) |
| 15:36.26 | wizzy__ | So far i found out that it writes invalid line to crypttab, doesn't generate device.map on installation (not sure if required) and then it writes an invalid UUID into the kernel config |
| 15:36.44 | wizzy__ | by kernel config, i mean bootloader config (grub) |
| 15:36.53 | bastones | Carli : Can't say I've got the same problem as you. The only thing I've noticed in my time using 8.x is the missing GNOME Software Centre (in the GNOME edition), which appears to be missing in the repositories because (from what I've read) something the GNOME Software relies on for app updates wasn't ready in time for freeze. |
| 15:37.26 | c0fe_machine | i got 99 problems |
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| 15:38.32 | Carli | bastones, I realized it about gnome as well, yes |
| 15:38.39 | rgr | Carli: I think that sounds like youve messed something up. Jessie is pretty rock solid. |
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| 15:38.56 | AvatarA | Not necessarily |
| 15:39.21 | Carli | software centre doesn't work.. |
| 15:39.27 | rgr | of course not "necessarily". Its SW. But I find it hard to believe wheezy is a lot more stable and easier to install apps on. |
| 15:39.32 | rgr | what software centre? |
| 15:39.32 | AvatarA | I had a better experience with Wheezy |
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| 15:40.10 | rgr | In what way better? Im interested to know because I have found jessie to be nigh on perfect. |
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| 15:40.28 | centrx | Carli, software-center isn't in jessie, that's probably why |
| 15:40.32 | centrx | Carli, try aptitude or synaptic |
| 15:40.41 | rgr | use aptitude or eynaptic |
| 15:40.46 | rgr | synaptic |
| 15:40.47 | Joey_Bellows | did you try to install Ubuntu software center? |
| 15:40.57 | Carli | software-center (5.1.2debian3.1) |
| 15:41.05 | bastones | rgr : https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software & http://blog.tenstral.net/2014/11/the-state-of-appstreamgnome-software-in-debian-jessie.html |
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| 15:41.48 | rgr | I must admit Ive never heard of the software.center in years of using debian :) |
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| 15:42.14 | Joey_Bellows | I only have synaptic and gdebi |
| 15:42.20 | AvatarA | I did not encounter even one bug in Wheezy but Jessie fkd me over even before I installed it, starting with the live boot |
| 15:42.32 | rgr | right... ok. |
| 15:43.00 | AvatarA | I actually thought that maybe I downloaded the wrong iso being used to the perfection I found in Wheezy |
| 15:43.09 | Joey_Bellows | granted I have only been using debian for a few days, ubuntu and other -buntu flavors have software-center |
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| 15:44.11 | Carli | Joey_Bellows, debian wheezy has Software center as well |
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| 15:44.22 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... what is the name of the application showing debian details in terminal with logo... shown here https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-JM88qOharMs%2FVBD0VYi7BuI%2FAAAAAAAAGWs%2FCMuiGpmceqs%2Fs1600%2Fdebian_sid_gnome2.png&f=1 |
| 15:45.43 | mtn | giuseppe_, screenfetch, if I recall |
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| 15:52.03 | giuseppe_ | can somebody advice me a good terminal emulator... now i'm using xfce4-terminal...but wanted something lighter which is independent of Desktop Environment |
| 15:52.10 | giuseppe_ | since i'll use i3 |
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| 15:53.17 | a-slack | giuseppe_: rxvt-unicode |
| 15:53.26 | giuseppe_ | ok |
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| 15:53.57 | giuseppe_ | a-slack... ok how do i customize it ? i mean font size... and colors ? |
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| 15:54.31 | r6ku | giuseppe_: try xfce4-terminal |
| 15:54.44 | sneke | I'm trying to uninstall mono, dpkg -l 'libmono*' lists a bunch of stuff |
| 15:54.47 | a-slack | you have to create a file ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources, the options are in the man page |
| 15:54.54 | sneke | but apt-get purge libmono* gives no matches |
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| 15:56.54 | sneke | oh, well, apt-get purge libmono-2.0-1 worked |
| 15:56.57 | sneke | for some reason |
| 15:56.58 | a-slack | sneke: don't use dpkg -l name* to list installed packages, use dpkg -l | grep "name" |
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| 15:57.45 | sneke | a-slack, but doens't it give the same stuff, almost? |
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| 15:57.58 | a-slack | I don't think so... |
| 15:58.31 | sneke | oh, no it doesn't |
| 15:58.52 | sneke | dpkg -l "libmono*" gives me a lot of <none> stuff now, though |
| 15:58.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching "libmono*" gives me a lot of <none> stuff now, though |
| 15:58.57 | sneke | after installing mono |
| 15:59.11 | giuseppe_ | r6ku XD you didn't read my message |
| 15:59.34 | miskatonic | why does libcurl4-gnutls-dev depend on libcurl3-gnutls? |
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| 16:07.20 | c0fe_machine | is there any tool out there like suse gives to customize the debian distro? |
| 16:08.42 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... when i run screenfetch i see between other informations, GTK Theme: Clearlooks [GTK2/3] and Icon Theme: gnome-wise |
| 16:08.48 | giuseppe_ | and i'm using i3... |
| 16:08.56 | giuseppe_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.41 | c0fe_machine | so operate a GUI via CLI? |
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| 16:12.14 | adabo | Lately when I reboot (in GNOME), it just goes to a black screen with a caret in the top left: http://i.imgur.com/y1vjkxi.png |
| 16:12.19 | adabo | And just hangs. |
| 16:12.36 | adabo | What's going on? I usually have to hard reset. |
| 16:12.55 | adabo | No, I /must/ hard reset. I have no other choices. |
| 16:13.31 | mtn | adabo, which version of debian? |
| 16:13.37 | adabo | jessie |
| 16:13.43 | giuseppe_ | c0fe_machine... just wanted to list and be able to change theme.. since i have only a window manager |
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| 16:14.01 | adabo | mtn, Using the GNOME that came in the net install of debian 8 |
| 16:14.07 | mtn | adabo, which video card/chip? did you change drivers? |
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| 16:15.01 | adabo | mtn, Haven't changed anything. Not that I'm aware of. It should be noted this is in a virtual machine environemnt. |
| 16:15.24 | HT[laptop] | I'm having a strange issue with my laptop's backlight controls. Basically, after booting they don't work. But if I suspend the laptop and then wake it up, they work. |
| 16:15.28 | mtn | adabo, ah, well it will be related to the vm settings, would be my guess |
| 16:15.32 | HT[laptop] | xfce4-power-manager spits these warnings out in debug mode: |
| 16:15.35 | HT[laptop] | http://pastebin.com/9r9QuwTC |
| 16:15.44 | HT[laptop] | xev reveals that the brightness keys do not register. |
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| 16:17.03 | adabo | mtn, But it doesn't always do this. It's seemingly random. I'll have to test more. |
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| 16:48.26 | knivsta | hi |
| 16:48.33 | c0fe_machine | hello |
| 16:49.07 | c0fe_machine | is debian cinnamon more lightweight or is linux mint cinnamon more lightweight (default install)? |
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| 16:57.16 | adabo | Does the command ls not show certain files? I have a file named ".xsession" but it doesn't show. |
| 16:57.48 | sonOfRa | files that start with "." are "hidden". They are shown when you pass the -a (all) option to ls |
| 16:57.50 | adabo | I didn't see an option for it to show hidden |
| 16:57.55 | adabo | oh |
| 16:58.01 | adabo | Thanks sonOfRa |
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| 17:36.31 | adabo | Anybody here running blackbox? |
| 17:36.53 | c0fe_machine | i used to |
| 17:37.10 | adabo | Ah |
| 17:37.18 | adabo | Recently? |
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| 17:40.32 | adabo | Is the desktop right click menu supposed to be this empty? http://i.imgur.com/5nzCCo5.png |
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| 17:58.57 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 17:59.12 | z1pher | hello confrey |
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| 18:02.48 | confrey | I have a problem booting Debian live on a tablet (teclast X98), I made a photo of the screen, here : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B83dBSxPEiOoZEtXd1lCa0lPNm8/view?usp=sharing |
| 18:03.07 | wolfmitchell | Hey, I'm making a package for a daemon I'm deploying to a bunch of servers, what is the general convention for directories where systemd units should go? I've seen /etc/systemd/system and /lib/systemd/system |
| 18:03.31 | confrey | I'm trying to boot by a USB stick, UEFI mode, the stick boot fine on my notebook |
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| 18:21.51 | adabo | What is the "Debian desktop environment" listed in the debian 8 installation? |
| 18:22.15 | adabo | http://i.imgur.com/AGMPzhX.png |
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| 18:22.49 | adabo | Seems it's optional. |
| 18:23.21 | r6ku | adabo: it's task-desktop https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Tasks |
| 18:23.32 | [C][T][N] | can someone tell me a useful tutorial how to set up a vpn on wheezy? i found only old tuts or videos.. |
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| 18:24.39 | adabo | r6ku, Thanks. How do you use it if it's installed? |
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| 18:27.06 | bastones | [C][T][N] : Install the network-manager-pptp or network-manager-openvpn packages. If you're running the GNOME edition of Debian, you'll also need network-manager-pptp-gnome (for PPTP) or network-manager-openvpn-gnome (for OpenVPN) |
| 18:28.49 | bastones | [C][T][N] : You should then see PPTP / OpenVPN listed as an VPN option when you attempt to add a new network connection. |
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| 18:30.12 | [C][T][N] | bastones: are you talking about desktop or server? |
| 18:30.42 | [C][T][N] | bastones: i will install vpn on my server |
| 18:30.45 | bastones | [C][T][N] Desktop |
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| 18:40.51 | nowox | Hi |
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| 18:45.09 | confrey | I try again |
| 18:45.14 | confrey | I'm trying to boot by a USB stick, UEFI mode, the stick boot fine on my notebook |
| 18:45.18 | confrey | I have a problem booting Debian live on a tablet (teclast X98), I made a photo of the screen, here : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B83dBSxPEiOoZEtXd1lCa0lPNm8/view?usp=sharing |
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| 19:00.48 | Junka | whhy isnt xorg rootless like in fedora or arch? :( |
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| 19:07.09 | holyrustedmetal | Anybody know what happened to Sid? I did an update this morning, now Gnome want start... |
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| 19:08.27 | Junka | wanted |
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| 19:08.56 | shovel_boss | is amd r9 290 gpu supported on debian out of the box |
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| 19:10.13 | valdyn | Junka: what does rootless mean for you? |
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| 19:13.01 | Junka | valdyn: running as the user and not root |
| 19:13.11 | shovel_boss | nevermind |
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| 19:13.29 | valdyn | Junka: run "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
| 19:13.53 | valdyn | Junka: thats not really rootless X but its probably what you want |
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| 19:15.38 | Junka | valdyn: it was set to console, that's my present default? |
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| 19:15.59 | valdyn | Junka: that's the present setting then |
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| 19:16.57 | valdyn | Junka: allows users to start X if they are logged on locally at a virtual console |
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| 19:17.38 | Junka | does that include DM? |
| 19:17.46 | valdyn | Junka: no |
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| 19:18.10 | valdyn | Junka: rootless X never includes the dm, that would be fucked up |
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| 19:18.36 | Junka | valdyn: fedora's gdm does exactly that |
| 19:18.48 | Junka | in arch too |
| 19:18.56 | Junka | but not in debian |
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| 19:19.46 | Junka | err i mean that the dm starts a rootless xorg session |
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| 19:20.54 | valdyn | Junka: i see, *that* does not exist in debian as far as i know - maybe its configurable, maybe not |
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| 19:22.06 | rabbitear | its spock! |
| 19:22.10 | rabbitear | \\//_ |
| 19:22.16 | Junka | maybe its a 3.16 thing valdyn most likely |
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| 19:22.30 | rabbitear | spocks not dead! |
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| 19:22.52 | centrx | His brain is stored on a Debian server somewhere |
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| 19:27.27 | kristijonas | hello, what architecture iso should I download for Internet Core i7-4710hq? |
| 19:28.02 | Junka | amd64 |
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| 19:28.40 | rabbitear | amd64 |
| 19:28.47 | centrx | amd62 |
| 19:28.56 | rabbitear | amd64! |
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| 19:29.44 | rabbitear | amd61 anybody? |
| 19:30.21 | rabbitear | kristijonas: the 32-bit one works too for that |
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| 19:31.31 | kristijonas | thank you. |
| 19:31.44 | rabbitear | no problem |
| 19:33.23 | kristijonas | if I am gonna install it from hd media, all I need to do is copy and paste those three files: boot.img.gz, intrd.gz and vmlinuz? |
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| 19:34.00 | Junka | use unetbootin for whatever platform you are |
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| 19:34.20 | c0fe_machine | unetbootin has malware or viruses last time i scanned it on virustotal |
| 19:34.53 | kristijonas | Junka, hd-media way is not gonna work? |
| 19:35.06 | rabbitear | kristijonas: it feels like you're over complicating things |
| 19:35.08 | Junka | never tried, sorry |
| 19:35.18 | rabbitear | Junka: sleep |
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| 19:35.52 | rabbitear | kristijonas: a spinning disc works |
| 19:36.10 | rabbitear | or disk |
| 19:36.35 | kristijonas | rabbitear, bought laptop without CD/DVD-ROM. |
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| 19:36.49 | rabbitear | in the bathroom with an 8 inch floppy disk <- |
| 19:37.01 | rabbitear | kristijonas: usb stick? |
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| 19:37.31 | rabbitear | kristijonas: usually a little usb stick is all you need |
| 19:38.08 | rabbitear | kristijonas: do you have have a any usb things? |
| 19:38.16 | kristijonas | rabbitear, ok, i'll use unetbootin then and the .iso file. |
| 19:38.27 | Equa | kristijonas: do not use unetbootin |
| 19:38.31 | Equa | !unetbootin |
| 19:38.32 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 19:38.39 | r6ku | kristijonas: if you're on windows, use this instead: http://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
| 19:38.49 | rabbitear | kristijonas: I'd use unetbootin |
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| 19:38.59 | rabbitear | because its easy |
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| 19:39.21 | kristijonas | r6ku, i'm on Debian Wheezy now, on my table pc. Wanna get it on laptop as well. |
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| 19:40.03 | iChatter | kristijonas: why not jessie (if I may ask)? |
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| 19:40.22 | rabbitear | kristijonas: 'dd' is a way to put the iso on a usb stick |
| 19:40.34 | r6ku | kristijonas: use cp https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 19:40.50 | kristijonas | iChatter, i'm sorry, yes jessie for laptop. |
| 19:40.55 | rabbitear | kristijonas: you should mind where its going, don't dd you're disk |
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| 19:41.04 | iChatter | ok |
| 19:41.14 | rabbitear | you're own disk, you want it out to the usbstick |
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| 19:41.49 | rabbitear | I wonder how much 8 inch floppy disk go for on ebay. |
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| 19:42.14 | mrrhq | 8-inch floppy? Don't even start. |
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| 19:42.22 | mrrhq | >That's what she said. |
| 19:42.23 | iChatter | what about pxe? |
| 19:42.34 | iChatter | I got nice experience with pxe |
| 19:42.37 | rabbitear | that is what she said. |
| 19:42.45 | iChatter | chainload with integrated intel pxe + ipxe over http/network |
| 19:42.45 | iChatter | aha |
| 19:42.45 | iChatter | ok |
| 19:42.50 | mrrhq | I've been meaning to try PXE, but I wish it worked over Wi-Fi. |
| 19:43.11 | rabbitear | even, I think I throw out some 3.5 inches, bad move now that I think of it |
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| 19:43.29 | iChatter | pxe over wifi - interesting |
| 19:43.40 | iChatter | I mean - with the right pxe firmware it could even work. |
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| 19:43.53 | iChatter | or booting something very minimal and chainload then |
| 19:43.53 | rabbitear | now I wish I had an Amiga 600 |
| 19:43.56 | iChatter | *chainboot then |
| 19:44.13 | mrrhq | Well, for some people, running an Ethernet cord to their PC can be problematic, especially from a router that's not next to your PC. |
| 19:44.15 | rabbitear | actually I think defcon is going on right now, but I'm not there :/ |
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| 19:44.53 | mrrhq | rabbitear: Have you ever tried ot set up FS-UAE with an Amiga 1200 setup? |
| 19:45.10 | iChatter | ok - so what storage possibilities do exist? |
| 19:45.12 | iChatter | floppy? |
| 19:45.14 | iChatter | cdrom? |
| 19:45.29 | mrrhq | For PXE? |
| 19:45.33 | rabbitear | mrrhq: I used to have a 500 ... 1200 would be nice ... I never had one |
| 19:45.55 | iChatter | yes - to boot something that offers wifi |
| 19:45.58 | iChatter | and then you can mount the thing |
| 19:46.04 | iChatter | and even format the disk and copy the setup files over |
| 19:46.10 | iChatter | that would make lots of things possible |
| 19:46.13 | rabbitear | mrrhq: what is FS-UAE vs UAE? |
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| 19:46.21 | mrrhq | rabbitear: 1200 is the staple Amiga most people would go for since it's highly compatible with 500+ games. |
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| 19:46.35 | iChatter | https://pfichtner.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/pxe-boot-using-wifi/ |
| 19:47.01 | mrrhq | rabbitear: FS-UAE is a highly-maintained version of UAE, fairly easy to set up with a GUI or config files. Should be in the repos. |
| 19:47.01 | rabbitear | mrrhq: yes, but its longer than the 600, which makes it not look as good, But I do see your point mrrhq |
| 19:47.08 | iChatter | but some initial bootstrapping is required - namely a minimal *nix system with wifi drivers and harddisk access |
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| 19:47.42 | mrrhq | The developer of FS-UAE is actually pretty amazing at responding to people's questions on forums/comments. |
| 19:47.53 | rabbitear | mrrhq: if having a 1200 already, whats the value with emulating your own system? |
| 19:48.19 | rabbitear | mrrhq: maybe thats all he does :) |
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| 19:48.29 | rabbitear | mrrhq: he most love it |
| 19:48.46 | rabbitear | mrrhq: it took me a -long- time to give up my Amiga actually |
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| 19:48.57 | rabbitear | mrrhq: to pc :( |
| 19:49.03 | kristijonas | thank you for unetbootin related advices. am I gonna be fine with getting GeForce GTX 860m drivers on jessie? |
| 19:49.08 | mrrhq | rabbitear: I think the A1200 would be a great system to have, but I would need all the parts, th right outlet converters and stuff. |
| 19:49.20 | mrrhq | Sinc eI live in US, and it's a PAL system, usually. |
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| 19:49.50 | mrrhq | Anyway, I have the emulator set to use WHDLoad folders. I really, really like WHDLoad. |
| 19:50.00 | rabbitear | mrrhq: yeah, takes a while to soup/sup? them up |
| 19:50.20 | rabbitear | mrrhq: which was most (alot) of the fun |
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| 19:51.04 | rabbitear | mrrhq: so you use UAE alot? |
| 19:51.15 | r6ku | kristijonas: yes, it's on the list of supported devices for the nvidia drivers |
| 19:51.24 | mrrhq | I just have used it to play games for now. Most of the software hasn't proved to be extremely useful for me. There is Deluze Paint and Pro Tracker, which is okay enough. |
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| 19:51.33 | mrrhq | **Deluxe |
| 19:51.57 | rabbitear | Deluxe Paint was awesome :) |
| 19:52.15 | rabbitear | but I'd probably just play some games on it also |
| 19:52.34 | rabbitear | actually I usually only use the terminal anyway |
| 19:52.41 | rabbitear | plus browser |
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| 19:53.04 | rabbitear | <afk |
| 19:53.08 | mrrhq | rabbitear: I downloaded the TOSEC pack on archive.org. They have cracked floppies mostly. I suppose if you want the real deal, you'd need a real A1200 in that case. |
| 19:53.23 | mrrhq | WHDLoad is just better. |
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| 20:00.38 | ttt12381239 | anything suspicious about sda (ata)? http://pastebin.com/hqfXT5Rf |
| 20:00.56 | iChatter | PXE over WiFi would be damn cool |
| 20:00.58 | iChatter | really |
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| 20:01.09 | iChatter | not elegant - but a good emergency solution |
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| 20:02.14 | dvs | ttt12381239: replace it before it dies entirely |
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| 20:03.02 | ttt12381239 | dvs will do |
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| 20:05.26 | plovs | iChatter: its a great way to install small devices that only have internal storage, like: https://ctors.net/2013/12/30/openbsd_wireless_access_point |
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| 20:08.17 | plovs | ttt12381239: try sudo smartctl -H /dev/sda - but see also dvs's answer :-( |
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| 20:08.39 | dothebartman | anyone have troubles with resolution with ati hd radeon 3200? |
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| 20:13.31 | r6ku | dothebartman: you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree package from the non-free section of the repos for the radeon driver to work properly |
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| 20:16.13 | ttt12381239 | plovs: "SMART Disabled. Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it" |
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| 20:17.27 | dothebartman | ok thanks man i try it |
| 20:17.49 | plovs | ttt12381239: I would start with backing up all my important data, then do: sudo smartctl -s on /dev/sda |
| 20:18.06 | ttt12381239 | did that |
| 20:18.16 | ttt12381239 | WHEN_FAILED is `FAILING_NOW` |
| 20:18.24 | ttt12381239 | time to throw it away |
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| 20:18.26 | ttt12381239 | right? |
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| 20:19.22 | plovs | ttt12381239: http://mashable.com/2011/09/13/hard-drive-creations/ |
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| 20:20.24 | nowox | I got a network failure on a VM. I cannot access to internet neither ping my Dom0 from my DomU. How can I investigate this issue? |
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| 20:21.54 | ttt12381239 | plovs could i pm you? |
| 20:23.46 | plovs | ttt12381239: sure, brb, need to do a quick reboot |
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| 20:26.11 | ttt12381239 | plovs: http://pastebin.com/Ln365FEy this is the output... |
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| 20:27.25 | sh00p | "Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours." |
| 20:27.28 | sh00p | oh damn, i'd freak out |
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| 20:29.11 | ttt12381239 | it's all good, it's not mine, and it came that way |
| 20:29.26 | plovs | ttt12381239: yeah, that drive is done |
| 20:29.46 | plovs | ttt12381239: joined the channel btw |
| 20:29.47 | ttt12381239 | plovs: ok mate, thank you for the help ;) |
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| 21:05.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
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| 21:40.12 | SimbaLion | Hi how do I install the testing version of opendkim? I tried apt-get install opendkim/testing and it says no package found |
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| 21:42.22 | dvs | ,v opendkim |
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| 21:42.23 | judd | Package: opendkim on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.1+dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 2.6.8-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6.8-4; jessie: 2.9.2-2; sid: 2.10.3-3; stretch: 2.10.3-3 |
| 21:42.47 | dvs | !ssb |
| 21:42.47 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:42.50 | SimbaLion | Isn't it possible to install 2.10.3-3 into wheezy? |
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| 21:44.31 | centrx | SimbaLion, Best way is to do a source-backport using the instructions provided above by the bot |
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| 21:45.09 | SimbaLion | won't that require compiling? |
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| 21:48.41 | SimbaLion | Grr. This is only a problem because the version of opendkim included with wheezy is broken. dunno why it's even included. |
| 21:49.05 | dvs | file a bug |
| 21:49.29 | SimbaLion | it's not supported anymore, it's version 2.6 and the opendkim folks are on 2.8 thru 2.10 |
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| 21:49.59 | zinx | SimbaLion: have you tried upgrading to jessie (aka stable)? |
| 21:50.11 | SimbaLion | I was just going to upgrade from source but it requires a bunch of dependencies and I didn't want to spend hours tracking down where these various libraries are found |
| 21:50.13 | dvs | file a Debian bug that says that |
| 21:50.37 | petern_ | hmm, modsecurity seems to be doing a bad job :( |
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| 21:51.12 | SimbaLion | upgrading to jessie is a good idea.. is that risky? This is a production system |
| 21:51.40 | MeatPopsicle | so what are your Debian flavor recommendations? Tried out Cinnamon and it was ok, what are your favorites(newer laptop) |
| 21:51.44 | zinx | no, just read the upgrading from wheezy section in the installation guide |
| 21:51.52 | SimbaLion | okay, thanks |
| 21:52.02 | dvs | SimbaLion: if you're willing to deal with systemd |
| 21:52.05 | zinx | wheezy is no longer receiving anything other than security updates, and that will end soonish |
| 21:52.12 | centrx | SimbaLion, Debian upgrades are generally quite reliable, but you should always be prepared with a backup of a production system, and try out the process on a staging system first |
| 21:52.31 | centrx | zinx, Well that's true of jessie too, and wheezy will have Long Term Support like squeeze does |
| 21:52.38 | zinx | oh? |
| 21:52.40 | bastones | zinx: Wheezy will still be supported after the Debian Security Team stops supporting it directly. |
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| 21:52.53 | bastones | It'll be in LTS for another 3 years I believe. |
| 21:53.10 | zinx | that's soonish in debian time :P |
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| 21:56.16 | MeatPopsicle | Cinnamon seems to have a little bit of lag any lighter weight nicer looking environments? Not a fan of LDXE |
| 21:56.19 | at0m | !tell SimbaLion about wheezy->jessie |
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| 21:56.37 | TheDreamingMonk | nicer looking is subjective :P |
| 21:56.56 | MeatPopsicle | well LXDE looks a bit simple? old? |
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| 21:57.01 | centrx | MeatPopsicle, I use openbox with fbpanel |
| 21:57.07 | centrx | MeatPopsicle, which will look even more simple and old |
| 21:57.15 | centrx | MeatPopsicle, XFCE is another lightweight desktop environment |
| 21:57.34 | TheDreamingMonk | I prefer my good ol' DWM setup... which is a far cry from what most people would consider "nice looking" |
| 21:57.37 | centrx | MeatPopsicle, mate is another fork of Gnome, as cinnamon is |
| 21:57.54 | MeatPopsicle | is mate fairly lightweight> |
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| 21:58.02 | TheDreamingMonk | Mate is Gnome 2 |
| 21:58.07 | MeatPopsicle | I do like mate |
| 21:58.07 | TheDreamingMonk | so yes |
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| 21:58.48 | SimbaLion | I wish apache was not a default package |
| 21:59.13 | dvs | ??? |
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| 21:59.37 | zinx | depends what you mean by default... technically the only default ones are the 'essential' ones, depending on the options you choose.. |
| 21:59.44 | MeatPopsicle | I like LXDE's lightweigh but something about it looks... idk i cant describe it |
| 21:59.59 | SimbaLion | Anytime I try to install anything web related it tries to install apache2 |
| 22:00.06 | SimbaLion | but I use nginx |
| 22:00.20 | SimbaLion | it's just a hassle |
| 22:00.47 | zinx | turn off the option to install suggested packages by default :/ |
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| 22:00.54 | MeatPopsicle | Im not sure how to change desktop environments yet, quite new to Debian |
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| 22:01.05 | bastones | MeatPopsicle : MATE is definitely a lightweight desktop environment. While it has a traditional UI, the developers have done a lot to get MATE modernised on the back-end. |
| 22:01.09 | MeatPopsicle | besides the live image flavors |
| 22:01.09 | at0m | zinx: can turn off recommends, not depends |
| 22:01.11 | SimbaLion | well there's probably a dozen other 'suggested' packages that I need, just not apache2 |
| 22:01.25 | SimbaLion | I'll just remove it afterward |
| 22:01.45 | zinx | SimbaLion: if it depends on something, you can't remove it |
| 22:01.57 | themill | SimbaLion: just install nginx first |
| 22:02.03 | SimbaLion | nothing installed should depend on apache2 |
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| 22:02.20 | SimbaLion | anything that would have I installed from source instead |
| 22:02.22 | zinx | SimbaLion: so if it's something you can uninstall, then you didn't have to install it in the first place, and there's an option to make it not install it by default |
| 22:02.29 | MeatPopsicle | Im loading up 8.1 back on my laptop to upgrade to 10(just to get my machine registered) So i am going to be reinstalling Debian ASAP trying to find a lighter one than cinnamon |
| 22:02.37 | SimbaLion | zinx, appreciated |
| 22:03.15 | themill | SimbaLion: if you're working against apt then it's a bit much to complain that it's working against you |
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| 22:03.31 | at0m | SimbaLion: i prefer aptitude curses for that, makes me think i can hand-pick the recommends easier, get info on what they add etc |
| 22:03.34 | garyDavid | Hello! |
| 22:03.43 | garyDavid | How do I let clamscan show me as much details as possible about the infected files? |
| 22:03.46 | zinx | at0m: aptitude ftw |
| 22:03.59 | at0m | themill: still i met some packages that work for lighttpd that depend on apache, too. not recommends, but depends |
| 22:04.57 | MeatPopsicle | I wanted Debian to learn linux without as much handholding and now I realize how little I know, been on Ubuntu/Cinnamon for a few months now |
| 22:05.35 | themill | at0m: there's very few packages that don't have an "| httpd" in the relevant place. |
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| 22:05.40 | MeatPopsicle | took a while to even figure out how to add repositories |
| 22:05.59 | themill | (and if you find ones that don't that should, please report a bug) |
| 22:06.16 | at0m | themill: will do, thanks |
| 22:06.25 | bastones | MeatPopsicle : Try Ubuntu MATE if you're interested in trying MATE out. |
| 22:06.35 | bastones | MeatPopsicle : Of course Debian has its own MATE edition too. |
| 22:07.37 | bastones | MeatPopsicle : In terms of user-friendliness, you might find Ubuntu MATE more comfortable. |
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| 22:08.11 | MeatPopsicle | I was on Ubuntu Mate, I want the non-user friendliness to learn linux the hard way |
| 22:08.18 | at0m | MeatPopsicle: /etc/ is your friend. i'm not a fan of all ThisManager or ThatManager, /etc and a texteditor do just fine. transparancy rules. |
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| 22:09.56 | at0m | MeatPopsicle: the *box's like blackbox and fluxbox have simple ~/.$box/ config folders with a couple text files, like config, menu, startup, keys |
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| 22:12.39 | fennesz | Hello guys ! I am trying to use Google Earth on Debian Jessie 64bit. After launching GE from terminal I get this error: ERROR:nss_ocsp.cc(581)] No URLRequestContext for OCSP handler. |
| 22:12.51 | fennesz | Can someone help me solve this problem ? |
| 22:13.09 | centrx | fennesz, Try copying that message into Google and seeing what comes up for clues |
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| 22:13.27 | at0m | MeatPopsicle: my desktop uses about 12MB of RAM. nothing compared to KDE, with all its integration. but consider if you can live without, for example, all the integration more advanced desktops offer. |
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| 22:13.52 | fennesz | Also the program crashes when I try to search manually for a place and the error is : Another crash happened while handling crash! |
| 22:14.31 | MeatPopsicle | I ilke ubuntu MATE I think Debian MATE would work quite well for me |
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| 22:21.46 | nick[0] | hi, I backported the xorg savage driver for someone the other day. Any word on if it worked for him? |
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| 22:24.04 | MeatPopsicle | maybe i should give lxde another try |
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| 22:25.27 | r6ku | nick[0]: no, I haven't heard from him yet :/ |
| 22:27.49 | kristijonas | https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/5qstAI9JL4yD8V0Pw96c1x0TDMWS6LJl/20150802_011715.jpg which of these needs to be fixed? (the screen shot of errors I get) |
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| 22:29.21 | r6ku | MeatPopsicle: if you want to do it the hard way, then I also recommend going the *box route, it's a lot of fun actually |
| 22:29.31 | SimbaLion | upgrading to jessie broke dovecot. :'( |
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| 22:30.06 | r6ku | kristijonas: that's normal, nouveau doesn't perfectly support all gpus |
| 22:30.08 | shay_shay | :0 |
| 22:30.38 | MeatPopsicle | as in Debian standard then move on? |
| 22:30.44 | at0m | r6ku: i find *box so simple, cos it is :) |
| 22:31.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 22:31.16 | at0m | no dozens of subtrees for configs in db's |
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| 22:31.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | as a general rule should i not use zpool scrub storagepool and use /sbin/zpool scrub storagepool in a crontab? |
| 22:31.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | does it matter? |
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| 22:32.09 | MeatPopsicle | what is the box method? |
| 22:32.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i seriously hope i didn't screw up :( i have had zfs running for months and no scrubbing if zpool scrub dosn't work in cron :( |
| 22:33.29 | kristijonas | r6ku, so it's because of my Nvidia GTX 860m video card? |
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| 22:35.13 | r6ku | kristijonas: yes, nouveau support is a bit iffy across the board |
| 22:35.34 | bastones | kristijonas, r6ku: I would have thought that error is caused by the Linux kernel trying to load firmware that Debian keeps in the non-free repos. |
| 22:36.07 | at0m | MeatPopsicle: apt show fluxbox |
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| 22:39.06 | abrotman | apt-cache show ? |
| 22:39.43 | at0m | abrotman: apt is not in stable? |
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| 22:39.46 | at0m | ,v apt |
| 22:39.47 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.9.8.1; sid: 1.0.9.10; stretch: 1.0.9.10; experimental: 1.1~exp8 |
| 22:39.54 | kristijonas | bastones, just after the installations errors looked like that: https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/iJtrI2CKKZKgTaCYSfwhDdN1C7Nkzz3W/20150802_004656.jpg then I installed a non-free firmware-iwlwifi and firmware-realtek and it stopped complaining about those. |
| 22:40.09 | r6ku | bastones: see Firmware: https://wiki.freedesktop.org/nouveau/VideoAcceleration/ |
| 22:41.20 | bastones | r6ku: I see :) |
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| 22:43.26 | kristijonas | r6ku, so what should I do now so that I not only can use the GPU in CPU (Intel HD), but also my discrete GTX 680m? |
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| 22:45.42 | jelly | !bumblebee |
| 22:45.42 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:46.14 | r6ku | that's a thing now? |
| 22:46.57 | jelly | apparently. I'm careful to buy laptops with intel-only, so never tried it |
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| 22:56.52 | adabo | Any sublime users here? |
| 22:57.11 | centrx | I have used enlightenment |
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| 22:58.04 | bastones | adabo: I use Atom instead of Sublime. If you can forgive its memory footprint, it's good! |
| 22:58.09 | glassresistor_ | so i did an upgrade on friday and it seems to have uninstalled gnome |
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| 22:58.48 | adabo | bastones, Sweet! Never heard of it ;) I just need someone to helpe me get the console output configured. |
| 22:59.15 | glassresistor_ | trying to install it i get that libstdc++6 breaks libboost-datetime |
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| 23:00.01 | r6ku | MeatPopsicle: install xorg and a window manager(*box), then you just keep adding stuff until you're satisfied with your system |
| 23:00.22 | glassresistor_ | how do i get libstdc++6 to the proper version for libboost? |
| 23:00.31 | bastones | adabo: www.atom.io ... I only know about it because of a news article on a Linux blog! Now I use it all the time for my dev work. |
| 23:01.17 | adabo | bastones, but but.. but... does it do multiline editing and snazzy stuff like that? |
| 23:01.31 | bastones | er |
| 23:01.53 | bastones | I don't know, but what I do know is there is a nifty plugin that does enables Vim emulation! |
| 23:02.20 | adabo | wuuuhhhh O_____O |
| 23:02.29 | adabo | Sublime has that option by default ;) |
| 23:02.49 | bastones | Moving along... |
| 23:03.07 | adabo | haha |
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| 23:03.58 | adabo | Hey, I'm just stating facts. I don't care what brand of toilet paper I use. As long as it doesn't feel like sand-paper and fall apart, it's fine with me. |
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| 23:04.12 | adabo | So, tell me more about atom. I'm curious. |
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| 23:05.15 | phy1729 | why emulate vim, when can just use vim? |
| 23:05.35 | adabo | Because why install vim when you can emulate it |
| 23:05.50 | phogg | Why use vim when you can use emacs? |
| 23:05.53 | phogg | That's right, I went there. |
| 23:06.02 | centrx | why use emacs when you can use ed? |
| 23:06.11 | centrx | Emacs: http://asset-0.soupcdn.com/asset/3026/1442_08a4.jpeg |
| 23:06.15 | phogg | In fact I do use ed on systems without emacs. It beats using vi. |
| 23:06.46 | phogg | centrx: LOL. So true. |
| 23:06.48 | phy1729 | phogg: 1) open vi 2) type Q 3) you have ed |
| 23:06.54 | adabo | whey use software when you can just speak to the hardware? |
| 23:06.56 | r6ku | MeatPopsicle: and yes, you start with just standard, the idea is to build a system like it's lego, that's what all the arch linux hipsters are doing :/ |
| 23:06.58 | bastones | adabo : I totally get you. Their website has everything you need to know to be honest - www.atom.io. I'm told it's not as complete as Sublime, but coming from Geany must tell you my editing requirements are fairly moderate. The one thing I am really hoping to find in the future is an Atom plugin for minifying HTML. There's a plugin for it in Sublime (in fact, multiple I think), but none in Atom, and it's something I do really need. |
| 23:07.13 | phogg | phy1729: ugh, too complicated (and weird keybindings!). Easier just to open ed. |
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| 23:07.56 | bastones | adabo: So Sublime might be a better choice for you ;) |
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| 23:08.01 | bastones | For now! |
| 23:08.18 | nick[0] | SimbaLion: yeah, I was also surprised that my postfix+dovecot+PAM maildir (vs default /var/log/mail) configuration was stomped on |
| 23:09.12 | bastones | It's fairly early days for Atom too. Their 1.0 stable release was fairly recent. |
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| 23:09.53 | nick[0] | r6ku: I wonder if no news is good news, and the savage driver worked for him? :-) |
| 23:10.13 | r6ku | nick[0]: that's what I'm hoping |
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| 23:10.56 | adabo | bastones, Look what we started xD |
| 23:11.14 | adabo | bastones, Thanks, btw. I'm looking at the website now. Got me curious |
| 23:12.08 | glassresistor_ | ugh any idea how to list the possible versions of a package? |
| 23:13.21 | nick[0] | r6ku: by the way, do you remember if he refered to a Debian bug report? I did about five minutes of searching, but nothing jumped out at me |
| 23:13.40 | nick[0] | glassresistor_: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 23:16.14 | glassresistor_ | nick[0]: thanks |
| 23:16.36 | r6ku | nick[0]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768958 |
| 23:16.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768958 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (open): «ProSavage8 KM266/KL266 only support 800x600 with xserver-xorg-video-savage»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-10; last modified: 2015-05-07. |
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| 23:22.30 | nick[0] | r6ku, judd: thanks :-) By the way, is it true that the savage driver wasn't ported to DRI2, and so users who upgrade lose 3d acceleration? |
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| 23:26.39 | nick[0] | r6ku, judd: and reading the upstream changelog, do you think this is what would fix the 800x600 vs 1024x768 bug: "Include xf86Modes.h to use functions from hw/xfree86/modes/xf86Modes.c"? |
| 23:27.02 | Evilulz | suck my dick lamer |
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| 23:27.24 | r6ku | nick[0]: the fix was added to the driver http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-savage/commit/?id=2e9217bb88b76cebfcd2b65b76c8733f80da77ea |
| 23:28.07 | nick[0] | r6ku: and it's in 2.3.8, but not 2.3.7 ;-) |
| 23:28.20 | r6ku | yeah? |
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| 23:31.16 | glassresistor_ | so im in a weird situation it says that libstdc++6 breaks libboost-date-time1.55.0 but apt-cache policy only shows a single version available |
| 23:31.52 | phix | hmmmm |
| 23:31.58 | glassresistor_ | but i can't install gdm3 without libboost-date-time1.55.0 |
| 23:32.01 | phix | glassresistor_: port to python? |
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| 23:32.25 | glassresistor_ | phix: im not a dev on this just a user who wants gnome working |
| 23:32.28 | nick[0] | r6ku: yup, I just verified this. The user from the other day kept talking about a patch that Ubuntu was carrying. Maybe it's this +#include "xf86Modes.h" one-liner? Maybe I should also submit a 2.3.7 + patch update for testing/sponsorship request? |
| 23:32.33 | themill | glassresistor_: welcome to sid |
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| 23:32.42 | phix | glassresistor_: ah |
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| 23:34.27 | glassresistor_ | it says i have libstdc++6 for libboost-iostreams1.49.0 |
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| 23:35.09 | glassresistor_ | so i dont really care which versions these are i just want to install gnome which was already installed and working on friday |
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| 23:35.35 | glassresistor_ | so is there a way of figuring out what changed on friday? |
| 23:35.42 | themill | glassresistor_: if you want to be able to install packages, don't use sid |
| 23:35.54 | themill | yes, gcc 5 was uploaded |
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| 23:36.34 | glassresistor_ | i believe at the time my hardware required it |
| 23:36.35 | nick[0] | r6ku: err, nope...just checked the Ubuntu patches and that's not the case |
| 23:36.50 | glassresistor_ | themill: oh right... |
| 23:37.01 | glassresistor_ | any advice on what to do? |
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| 23:41.26 | cnk | Salut a tous ! |
| 23:41.59 | cnk | j'ai un petit problème quelqu'un peut-il m'aider svp ? |
| 23:42.09 | nick[0] | cnk: Salut, mais on parle anglais ici. (c'est dans les règles) |
| 23:42.22 | centrx | !fr |
| 23:42.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 23:42.44 | cnk | <nick[0]>ok |
| 23:42.56 | cnk | hello nick |
| 23:43.16 | cnk | Can you help me nick pease ? |
| 23:43.21 | cnk | please |
| 23:43.31 | nick[0] | Hi :-) Yes, of course. 'last thing I do before dinner though |
| 23:43.55 | cnk | thank you ;) |
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| 23:44.58 | cnk | i have record an internet page (htm) on my NAS server but i can't read it why ? |
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| 23:45.27 | cnk | when i copy this page on the hard disk of my computer it work |
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| 23:46.15 | nick[0] | cnk: how are you accessing in on your hard disk, and how are you accessing it on your NAS? |
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| 23:47.39 | nick[0] | cnk: ex: using dolphin/files/thunar/nautilus, using iceweasel/firefox/chromium/chrome, or in some other way. |
| 23:48.30 | cnk | <nick[0]>with iceweasel and i try also with Epiphany |
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| 23:49.28 | nick[0] | cnk: when it's on your hard drive, does the URL start with file://, and does it also start with file:// when you access it on your nas? |
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| 23:50.37 | cnk | with my hard drive the URL start with file:// and on the NAS it begin by http:// |
| 23:51.27 | cnk | i think it is the http:// who cause problem |
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| 23:52.39 | nick[0] | cnk: that might be the case. Are you able to access your nas with smb://<name-of-your-nas>/ |
| 23:52.43 | nick[0] | ? |
| 23:54.32 | Forsetes | Hey youngs, my name is forsetes, I'm from Brazil |
| 23:55.11 | TheDreamingMonk | Lol, youngs? |
| 23:55.11 | Forsetes | sorry for the English tranlate |
| 23:55.11 | Forsetes | huhauhau |
| 23:55.29 | Forsetes | young´ |
| 23:55.54 | cnk | <nick[0]>how can i do that ? |
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| 23:57.18 | Forsetes | do what? |
| 23:57.21 | nick[0] | cnk: in iceweasel, go to where you enter the URL. Try changing http:// part to smb:/// <-yes, three /s |
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| 23:59.28 | cnk | <nick[0]>i try smb:/// and it don't work |
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