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00:01.33MeatPopsicleI cant wait to get my win10 upgrade to register my machine and then install debian again
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00:02.08nick[0]cnk: ex: http://name-of-your-nas/my-files/website/index.htm would become smb:///name-of-your-nas/my-files/website/index.htm  Also, try smb:///name-of-your-nas/my-files/website
00:02.17centrxMeatPopsicle, You have to register your machine to install a different OS?
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00:03.45Forsetesbrasilian?
00:03.49TheDreamingMonkcentrx: for the Windows 10 free upgrade, you surrender your previous license
00:03.50MeatPopsicleto get the win10 free upgrade you have to register within a year and since my debian was basically stock I figured id register now, and win10 no longer uses product codes it does is server based now somehow, im guessing off Mac addresses so registering now means I wont forget and I can install win10 later if need be
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00:05.06nick[0]centrx: it's part of the new Microsoft plan; from what I've read they're moving to a rolling-release subscription model with forced upgrades for all versions except for Windows Enterprise...so the upgrade is free, but the concern is that once you jump on the boat they're going to extort you
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00:05.25centrxForced upgrades...?
00:05.52r6kucentrx: yes, you can't turn off updates
00:05.58MeatPopsicleif they do oh well ill go linux on both my laptops instead of the one
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00:06.09cnk<nick[0]>no nick it don't work
00:06.16TheDreamingMonknick[0]: it isn't subscription based, and updates are only forced on the home version. Pro users have the option to turn them off.
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00:06.21peterrooneyThat is freakishly insane.  Do they think no PHB's accountant will notice?
00:06.24MeatPopsicleand miscrosoft spies on almost everything you do in win10
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00:06.50MeatPopsiclei never plan on using it but in case something forces me to go back I have the option
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00:07.21nick[0]TheDreamingMonk: I must not be reading quality press ;-)  I thought that was the major feature difference between W10 Pro and Enterprise
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00:07.29TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: unless you plan to use Win10 I'd suggest you keep your key you use now. After 1 month your previous win7/8 keys are perm win10
00:07.53MeatPopsicleoh i thought they only changed once you upgraded
00:08.01MeatPopsiclewell now
00:08.15MeatPopsicleso debian it is
00:08.18TheDreamingMonknick[0]: Pro has the option to turn them off, for a limited time. Enterprise has much greater control and isn't forced into either feature or security updates
00:09.01themillpoints towards #debian-offtopic
00:09.20TheDreamingMonkpoints towards themill
00:09.44nick[0]points towards Debian Saves! in light of W10
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00:10.19MeatPopsicleI really am starting to hate windows more as time goes on, and I have always hated Apple, OSX isnt bad but apple is the corporate equivalent of north korea
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00:11.24TheDreamingMonkI don't judge a product by it's company. Such a moral has allowed me to love my Macbook Pro/Air/Mini's in lue of Apples odd business sense.
00:11.32nick[0]cnk: well, it sounds like SMB (classic Windows file sharing) isn't properly configured on either your nas or your computer.  Alternatively, it sounds like something strange is happening when you access your nas through its web interface
00:12.56MeatPopsicleI cant justify the priices apple charges for any of its products, I wouldnt mind using OSX if i wasnt forced to buy a Mac to do so
00:13.31nick[0]cnk: I'm really, really hungry so need to start making my supper, but please give #debian-fr .  Unfortunately, my technical vocabulary is limited to English :$
00:13.38TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: their prices have always been on par considering specs, materials and some of the best support you'll get with OEM's.
00:14.16nick[0]cnk: I mean, give them a try, if you prefer
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00:15.17cnk<nick[0]> thank you for your help Nick one day i will find the solution. Big thank you for you my friend ;)
00:15.37anonymus2205hi i wan to execute ifconfig eth0 up,ifconfig eth0 promisc from crontab @reboot,can i?
00:15.37TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: look at products that are finally starting to match them in the materials and form facors, Google Chromebook Pixel: less specs, higher price, Lenovo X1 Carbon: Similar specs, higher price, etc etc etc... Anything even close to their form factor and specs is either priced with them, or quite higher
00:15.38MeatPopsicleTheDreamingMonk I still cant justiify the prices
00:16.04MeatPopsicleform factor isnt terribly important I dont believe
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00:16.56TheDreamingMonkSure it is.
00:16.58nick[0]cnk: :-)  You're welcome, and yes, this is definitely something that can be solved.  You might also what to share the brand and model of the NAS you're using.  Well, time to make something cold, since it's 34C here!
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00:17.25nick[0]cnk: ...also want to share...
00:17.44MeatPopsicleTheDreamingMonk it isnt to me at least, I'm more about the performance than looks
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00:18.03TheDreamingMonkI backpack a lot and having a thin Macbook Air is about as valuable as can be. I can pack my bag full and still fit the Macbook Air or Pro
00:18.28TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: form factor can be considered performance. Same as weight. It isn't all about the looks
00:19.13MeatPopsicleTheDreamingMonk I dont have those situations, if I did I may change my mind but for now I dont see anything that a Mac can bring to my table to justify its cost
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00:20.39MeatPopsicleI also have a small streambook that can basically function as a macbook air, or at least it would had I not water damaged it -_____-
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00:21.18TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: You choose the tool that works. When it came to my photography there wasn't a thinner, lighter, more power laptop with a higher resolution screen with good color reproduction or battery life.
00:21.48TheDreamingMonkMeatPopsicle: And for the greater part, it's still hard to beat them in screen and battery life. Though others are finally catching up to the form factor and weight.
00:21.56MeatPopsicleTheDreamingMonk that is one thing Macs have over a lot of PC's, multimedia editing power
00:22.06MeatPopsiclemy wife uses one for her blog
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00:53.14FelixFire619`Looking for an OpenVZ of minimal deb (package manager, os, and devices/firmware.. )
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00:55.09Darkclaw66is it possible to tell dump to backup a directory but not tell it what filesystem it is on?
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00:56.47iChatterFelixFire619`: hm, OpenVZ is sadly quite dead
00:56.53iChatterThere is LXC and Docker now.
00:57.23FelixFire619`iChatter: unfortently my proxmox uses OpenVZ
00:57.52iChatterFelixFire619`: oh
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00:58.04iChatterFelixFire619`: ok, from what I know OpenVZ requires special linux kernel
00:58.11Darkclaw66surely someone must know
00:58.12iChatterlxc got its kernel stuff into mainline (cgroups and such)
00:58.28FelixFire619`iChatter: i have 3 openvz's running atm no problem..
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00:58.53iChatteroh, so there is no issue then?
00:58.54FelixFire619`what i need is a OpenVZ Container with a deb 7  minimal (os, apt and the basic requirements to boot / internet)
00:58.58iChatteraha
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01:00.02iChatterso you need a fitting openvz template or image
01:00.10iChatterhttps://openvz.org/Download/template/precreated
01:00.17iChatterdebian 7 minimal tar gz
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01:00.25iChatterFelixFire619`: ^
01:00.27iChatterthat should it be
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01:00.37FelixFire619`i literally want Just the os, apt-get and internet
01:00.55iChatterFelixFire619`: but isn't that the case with "minimal" named archives?
01:01.16Darkclaw66when I run this command "dump -0a -f test.dump /etc" I get an error that it is unknown file system. please help
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01:02.52FelixFire619`iChatter: maybe i selected the wrong one, gues i'll try it again
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01:04.54iChatterFelixFire619`: openvz is quite nice though - I considered it first over lxc, it is a middle thing between lxc and docker - from the usability aspect
01:05.38FelixFire619`unfortently, proxmox 4 (which switches to lxc and removes openvz) is a little unstable atm
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01:07.31iChatterright, lxc got its little bugs
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01:19.05Darkclaw66is there a way to use rsync but not have it duplicate the directory and just have it create a tar?
01:19.29arahaelDarkclaw66: That doesn't sound like rsync.
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01:19.37arahaelDarkclaw66: Why not use tar?
01:19.47Darkclaw66tar doesn't support incremental
01:19.56arahaelIt doesn't?
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01:21.04arahaelDarkclaw66: (I suggest revisiting your tar man page)
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01:21.29Darkclaw66well, in all fairness, I am not using debian
01:22.04arahaelDarkclaw66: You should be ccareful which tar you use, then.  They differ in surprising ways.
01:22.21Darkclaw66I don't think I have the option of choosing
01:22.30arahaelDarkclaw66: You do.  You nearly always can pick gnu tar.
01:22.38arahaelDarkclaw66: What system are you using?
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01:23.06Darkclaw66freebsd
01:23.46arahaelSo you're probably using bsd tar, then.  You probably will have a gnu tar somewhere, or at the very least able to install it.
01:23.55arahaelIt'd probably install it as "gtar" or something.
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01:26.09arahaelThat said, I'm surprised freebsd's tar doesn't have incremental support, but then, I don't know freebsd's tar.
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01:26.54Darkclaw66why does freebsd has its own version of tar? is there any risk if I use the gnu version?
01:27.03srgbecause freebsd is not GNU
01:27.15srgGNU has it's own version of tar. you can think of it like that.
01:27.21srgthey're just different versions
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01:27.37srgBSD is a different license than GNU
01:27.46srgthey aren't compatable, very different philosphies
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01:28.28Darkclaw66here I go living in crazy world again
01:28.40Darkclaw66both have the same names and yet they are different?
01:28.58TheCreeperyes different implementations and software licenses
01:29.50TheCreeperbut are compatible with each other of course. you can tar a file with gnu tar and untar it with bsd tar.
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01:30.24Darkclaw66sounds good. thanks for the feedback
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01:30.34srggrep is different too
01:30.38srgbsdgrep and gnugrep
01:31.00Darkclaw66my brain is overloaded as it is
01:31.02srgalmost all the tools are different. like I said, the GNU license is not compatable with the BSD lciense, so they wrote their programs themselves
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01:31.29srgIt's likely that the BSD tools came first (since BSD is based on unix, way before linux was invented), but not sure.
01:31.47arahaelDarkclaw66: Note, there are some incompatibilities, but for the most part they're compatible.
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01:32.43arahaelDarkclaw66: Incompatibilities, iirc, usually involve using one or more of the esoteric details of the implementation - eg, I probably wouldn't use bsd tar to unpack a gnu tar 'incremental' tarball.  Nor one that includes filesystem ACL's encoded using gnu tar.
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01:33.37Darkclaw66I shall test :)
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01:34.46Darkclaw66are you familiar with using the -G or -g command?
01:35.03arahaelDarkclaw66: i always use the man page.
01:35.15Darkclaw66I am looking at the man but I don't understand the difference
01:36.02Darkclaw66if I use -G I don't have to specify a snapshot file?
01:36.38Darkclaw66that seems weird because how will it know what the diff is?
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01:39.16adabaHow do I set the default directory for my apache2 server ? I'm hosting it with virtualbox and I can access it through a local ip but I want that the ip points to a specific project directory
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01:39.56socommadaba: DocumentRoot, also join #httpd
01:40.26adabawhere ? in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or the /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf ?
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01:41.16socommadaba: Sites available.
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01:41.49arahaelDarkclaw66: Note how it says one of those two options is "old" and obsolete.
01:41.58arahaelDarkclaw66: I'd probably ignore it.  Use the -g option.
01:42.07adabasocomm: what should I put in the ServerName ? I tried with the local ip address but doesn't work (the virtualbox machine address, not my windows one)
01:42.59arahaelDarkclaw66: As for the diff, it might well be limited to whole  files. If the file's date, time, size, or presumably permissions change, then it would add it in as a changed file, I expect.
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01:43.55arahaelDarkclaw66: Maybe it's a bit smarter than that, but still, the snapshot file would be where it stores that sort of information. Note that rsync does the same, except it computes those snapshots at runtime, on both systems.
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01:48.54drhI've got a A_EON MX 1000-1 Corded Laser Mouse mouse that goes to the bottom left hand corner of the screen when you try moving it in any direction. Any tips?
01:49.04drhBottom right corner sorry
01:49.35BSTime^yes.  purchase a cheap USB mouse from wal-mart.  basic USB, and plug it in
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02:01.15arahaeldrh: These days, you literally pretty much only pay for weight, and branding.
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02:01.15arahaelWell, and arguably precision, but that's hardly accounting for the price discrepency.
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02:54.57EvidloI enabled non-free, but I still can't find the package firmware-iwlwifi.  What should I do?
02:56.08IdleGandalfhave you done an apt-get update ?
02:56.16EvidloIdleGandalf: yes
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02:56.44Brigo,v firmware-iwlwifi
02:56.45juddPackage: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44; stretch/non-free: 0.44
02:56.58BrigoEvidlo, jessie?
02:57.01Evidloyes
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02:57.50Brigothat package is in the jessie non-free repository. If you can't find it there, you have a problem.
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03:00.54AttractiveFemaleif I want to change filesystem from ext4 to btpfs, can I just mount the system and copy straight from one filesystem to another? will it boot? is there a better way to do it (ie, in place) that doesn't involve formatting?
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03:04.27EvidloBrigo: IdleGandalf: http://ix.io/k3q
03:04.35AttractiveFemaleseparate question  ---  is there a way to use mdadm to construct a RAID1 with data in place?
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03:06.04IdleGandalfEvidlo, you just added non-free to jessie-updates. you have to add it to the other two entrys as well
03:06.24EvidloIdleGandalf: Ah, thanks
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03:22.14IdleGandalfAttractiveFemale, in case you meant btrfs, you don't have to format at all. YOu can use the convert function btrfs offers. You may have to adjust some things, like your fstab, see here for the converting: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3
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03:45.32letsfindouthow do I have gcc / glibc installed, but I have no man pages for gcc or c libraries?
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03:45.43letsfindoutare they in a separate package or something?
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03:46.39dvsyes
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03:47.11letsfindoutwhich package?
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03:49.46letsfindoutI have glibc-doc available, apt-cache show shows nothing for gcc-doc or gcc-4.8-doc
03:50.32dvsletsfindout: then you don't have jessie
03:50.43letsfindoutI do, though lol
03:51.10themill!gcc-doc
03:51.11dpkgThe man pages for <gcc> are in non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>.  To install, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package.  If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install the manpages-dev package.
03:51.15themill(it's in non-free)
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04:30.38AttractiveFemalewhat is the best (most secure, least privilege elevating) way to give access? xhost, .Xauthority magic cookie, or other? How about for non-local access?
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05:46.36rechargedGnome is broken on Debian sid, what do? I came home from work and my computer was suspended, then it wouldn't turn back on, so I forcefully restarted my PC and when I started it back up it was in a tty and I installed lightdm, logged in, now Gnome seems to be broken (although I assume it was broken before I installed lightdm)
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05:51.03arahaelrecharged: you investigate why it's broken and fix it.
05:51.37arahaelrecharged: there is a reason why it's called sid, you're expected to know how to deal with it.
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05:53.00rechargedI did, I'm sorry. I'll keep searching
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05:53.57Equarecharged: try #debian-next on oftc
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05:54.26rechargedthanks, I will
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05:56.22arahaelrecharged: i probably should have phrased it a bit more kindly, but i'd expect you to be able to say exactly what is broken.
05:57.39rechargedI know it's the wm, but I'm not sure of a way to fix it, --reinstall doesn't seem to work because of dependencies and I can't find an end to start at
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05:59.01arahaelrecharged: oh, specifically the wm?  so the reat of gnome is fine?
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05:59.33arahaelrecharged: (I haven't used nome since the days it used metacity, alas)
06:00.10x3l3tricHey guys, #raspberrypi doesn't seem active enough to answer my issue
06:00.19x3l3tricBasically, I think my pi is trying to mount a disk twice
06:00.33x3l3tricSince I'm using Raspian, I felt like this would be the next best place
06:00.50x3l3tricAnyway, the HDD that I use as a media disk mounts properly on boot
06:00.55rechargedyeah, when I logged in through lightdm it works, but the wm is broken. I tried dpkg-reconfigure and it told me gnome-shell isn't installed
06:01.03x3l3tricBut then at a random point after, it throws the following error:
06:01.31x3l3tricError mounting: Mount exited with exit code 1:helper failed with: mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/MediaDisk
06:01.57x3l3tricAfter which it depicts the drive itself as unmounted and, sometimes, shows a mounted disk with the name of the mount point folder
06:01.58arahaelx3l3tric: there is an issue with the init scripts.
06:02.09x3l3tricOK
06:02.19x3l3tricStuff in init.d?
06:02.25hassoonshould I upgrade my debian's packages like stated in apper/synaptic ?
06:02.39hassooni mean thy show up a list of updates/upgrades or something, regularily
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06:02.42x3l3tricJust as a heads up, I use fstab to automount the disk
06:02.53hassoon* regularly
06:02.56arahaelx3l3tric: dunno. does raspian use sysv-init?
06:03.06x3l3tricHow can I easily check?
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06:03.35arahaelx3l3tric: it should be documented.
06:03.49r6kuhassoon: are you on stable?
06:03.55hassoonr6ku, sure, jessie
06:04.03r6kuthen sure, go ahead
06:04.20x3l3tricOK, arahael, I'll start looking. There's not a script in the init.d folder, in case that matters.
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06:04.41hassoonr6ku, that always show up in the panel of kde, with apper, but in synaptic, I just do mark upgrades, and endup wit ha list of upgrades/updates to install, anyway
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06:05.16x3l3tricSeems like it may, I can't seem to find documentatiln
06:05.36arahaelx3l3tric: the init scripts are the first thing that changes when a distro is forked.  that and the udev rules.
06:05.53x3l3tricHmm, ok
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06:06.12x3l3tricI'm still searching, I'll have a definite answer soon
06:06.13arahaelx3l3tric: but udev rules are he other thing to check :)
06:06.29x3l3tricGotcha
06:06.36x3l3tricWhere can I find those two things?
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06:06.53x3l3tricAlso, I know this is the wrong order, but I feel like you need to know something about the setup
06:07.10x3l3tricI started with NOOBS on a 16GB SD card, and later I migrated the whole thing to a 32 GB
06:07.26x3l3tricI used Ubuntu to add the extra space to the root partition
06:07.32x3l3tricA Live CD
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06:07.44arahaelx3l3tric: This is really not debian specific.
06:07.58arahaelx3l3tric: Nor even related to debian, really.
06:07.59x3l3tricAnd when I did, I moved the SETTINGS partition all the way to the end of the disk and put the unallocated space with the root partition
06:08.06x3l3tricSorry, I wasn't sure if that would help or not
06:08.20arahaelx3l3tric: You'd need to ask someone with knowledge of rasperry systems.
06:08.57x3l3tricAre the udev things and the sysv-init things relevant to the issue?
06:09.05arahaelx3l3tric: Mayb.
06:09.17x3l3tricHow can I check and see if they're OK.
06:09.20arahaelx3l3tric: dmesg would be a great place to start.
06:10.02x3l3tricwhat part of the kernel do you need?
06:10.30Darkclaw66is it possible to use -z with -g with tar?
06:11.06x3l3tricBTW, this is the command that I put into fstab in order to automount the disc
06:11.22x3l3tricUUID=0AC4D607C4D5F543 /media/NASDRIVE ext4
06:11.27arahaelx3l3tric: dmesg...  The regular logs.
06:11.28x3l3tricNot the actual UUID
06:11.41x3l3tricSorry, what part of that log? The whole thing?
06:12.08arahaelx3l3tric: If relevant, yeah.
06:12.18arahaelx3l3tric: But again - this isn't a #debian issue.
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06:12.50x3l3tricOK, sorry, when you said that before I thought it was about expanding the filesystem. If you want me to leave I wil
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06:13.48arahaelx3l3tric: No, feel free to stay, but you're unlikely to get respian-specific help.
06:14.18x3l3tricOK
06:14.27x3l3tricThanks for the heads-up
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06:14.33x3l3tricI think I may have fixed the issue
06:14.42arahaelDarkclaw66: Try it and see. :)  I assume so, but not sure.  Could always compress afterwards.
06:15.04x3l3tricOriginally my fstab thing read the following way ( | is actually a line break)
06:15.17x3l3tricUUID=0AC4D607C4D5F543 /media/NASDRIVE ntfs-3g | uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=007 0 0
06:15.24x3l3tricremoving it seemed to fix it
06:15.28x3l3tricThe second line, I mean
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06:15.47arahaelx3l3tric: ntfs-3g is a fuse-based filesystem, iirc.  Maybe there's an issue there.
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06:16.07arahaelx3l3tric: (They're userland filesystems - ntfs-3g is the posterchild for a good, competitive filesystem despite being in userland)
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06:17.37GaddafiI want to make a script that will only do "xset -dpms" on startup, but I am confused on how to do that. I Google and saw several forum articles about that, but I really don't know what to do, because most of those articles where not "straight forward" with the solution. Can someone help me about this issue? Thanks in advance
06:17.45x3l3tricsorry sorry, the ntfs wasn't there
06:17.54x3l3tricMy issue actually wasn't fixed
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06:18.10x3l3tricDisregard everything I said after "My issue is fixed"
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06:19.08rozieGaddafi: don't know what xset does exactly, but you can use:
06:19.22rozie1. rc.local
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06:19.32rozie2. @reboot in user's crontab
06:19.41GaddafiId disables power saving on monitor, so my screen doesn't go black after 10 minutes of not using it
06:19.54rozie3. autostart in you WM
06:19.56BuzzardBuzzGaddafi: are you running jessie>
06:20.03x3l3tricOK, not sure if this is relevant
06:20.16roziedepends if it has to be run as user or system wide
06:20.24x3l3tricBut when my issue comes up, the HDD goes from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb
06:20.31rozieand before or after xorg starts
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06:21.29GaddafiBuzzardBuzz Nope
06:21.45Gaddafiwhezzy
06:21.51Gaddafion antix
06:22.19BuzzardBuzzwhat desktop manager?
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06:25.10BuzzardBuzzok then you can auto start your script easily with LXDE
06:25.46BuzzardBuzzwhen login happens
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06:26.36GaddafiHow?
06:26.55BuzzardBuzzin the folder /home/<user>/.config/autostart
06:26.59GaddafiI think I saw somewhere startup settings or something, but don't know where
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06:27.29r6kuGaddafi: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE#Autostart
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06:28.39rozieI believe if it's xorg, then dpms can be configured in xorg.conf
06:28.57x3l3tricIs there a Linux setting that would automatically attempt to mount discs by UUID?
06:29.11x3l3tricI think that's where my issue is coming from, arahael
06:29.19roziehttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling
06:29.42x3l3tricI did a reboot with the FSTAB stuff off, and now when the device starts, the HDD is mounted as /media/(The HDD's UUID)
06:30.08roziex3l3tric: it's /etc/fstab
06:30.10arahaelx3l3tric: Glad it's working :)
06:30.56x3l3tricWell, that's not what I want it to do
06:31.10roziex3l3tric: what to you want to do, then?
06:31.12x3l3tricI want it to mount to the directory /media/MediaDisk
06:31.25x3l3tricrozie, I've already set the mount point in /etc/fstab
06:31.50x3l3tricWhat happens is, on boot, if it automounts to that mountpoint, there's a random point where the disk becomes unmounted from that mount point
06:32.04x3l3tricAn error comes up that I posted earlier in the IRC, I can repaste it if needed
06:32.34roziepaste fstab, paste blkid outpu
06:32.38rozieoutput*
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06:33.32x3l3tricgimme just a moment to do what you asked
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06:34.51rozieif it's raspberry and disk becomes unmounted - check dmesg
06:35.10roziemay be not enough power or some USB issues?
06:35.19x3l3tricWhat command do I use so that it doesn't overwhelm the chat? Isn't it /flood
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06:35.43rozieuse http://debian.paste.net
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06:35.59roziepaste.debian.net*
06:36.02rozieor pastebin.com
06:36.30x3l3trichttp://pastebin.com/q0951TER
06:36.37Gaddafirozie can I simply change "Option "DPMS" "true"" to "false" in xorg.conf.in file?
06:36.39x3l3tricblkid and fstab, in that order
06:36.49x3l3tricNormally, I obviously have the last fstab line uncommented
06:37.01x3l3tricThe conditions I have now are with the comment
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06:37.18rozieGaddafi: yes. just read this manual
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06:38.16roziex3l3tric: you don't have active entry in fstab for that disk
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06:38.21rue_schoolhow can I get rid of gnome-shell so I can use gnome-panel?
06:38.22rozieit's hashed
06:38.35x3l3tricThat's what I'm saying
06:38.50x3l3tricRight now, I had it hashed to check and see if the disc would automount without that line
06:38.57GaddafiOk thanks. I will try that right away. But tell me, why xorg on my machine has .in and in tutorial it has .d extension after "config"?
06:39.03x3l3tricWhen that line is unhashed, the system boots the way I want it
06:39.21x3l3tricBut then later on, it throws a strange error that sounds like the pi is trying to mount the disk again
06:39.22rue_schoolanyone know how i reconfigure the X shell?
06:39.58x3l3tricShould I switch the line from the UUID to /dev/sda1?
06:40.14roziex3l3tric: you want to have specific UUID mounted as given mountpoint? use fstab then
06:40.19BuzzardBuzzrue_school: try LXDE
06:40.22roziebut without hashing line
06:40.34x3l3tricI just want that hard drive mounted to a specific mount point
06:40.42rozieuse fstab.
06:40.46x3l3tricIf that's only possible with the UUID, then I'll do it that way
06:40.48x3l3tricI thought I was?
06:40.57x3l3tricIs there an fstab command too?
06:41.11x3l3tricAnd the issue isn't that the disk won't mount when I unhash the line
06:41.15roziethere are more options, but UUID is default. and recommended.
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06:41.30x3l3tricIt's that after it mounts and runs for a while, it seems to be unmounted for no reason or something
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06:42.06x3l3tricOK, rozie, something really strange just happened
06:42.27x3l3tricThe system seems to have redetected the disk
06:42.36x3l3tricQuestion, would a lack of electric current possibly cause this?
06:42.44x3l3tricEverything's connected to a 15W USB HUB
06:42.54rozieyes, as I said above
06:43.03x3l3tricBut, there's a fan connected that was dirt cheap, and now I'm afraid may not have had any regulation
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15:48.41jcnahiwconfig ignores my setting up of the rate completely. When I set up "iwconfig wlan1 rate 2M" for example, it has no effect; it stays at "Bit Rate=90 Mb/s". Why is that?
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15:49.00jcnahI issue iwconfig as root, of course
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15:49.38valdynjcnah: the driver does not support setting the speed like that is one possible reason
15:49.48jcnahvaldyn: how, then?
15:49.54valdynjcnah: maybe not at all
15:50.41valdynjcnah: there's no law requiring drivers or firmware or hardware to support manual speed change
15:50.50jcnahvaldyn: I am using a firmware that I have compiled myself. It's open firmware, a free alternative to the proprietary ath9k_htc.
15:51.03peterrooneyjcnah: trickle can adjust network speed of individual applications.
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15:51.20Eryn_1983_FLhey peeps i am having a cron issue can u help me?
15:51.22qwebirc1014677bazhang: amazing site gnome extension, simply click in off on button and voila!
15:51.23Eryn_1983_FLhttp://sprunge.us/bSea
15:51.31jcnahpeterrooney: it has nothing to do with that.
15:51.33Eryn_1983_FLtrying to get this command to run right and i am not sure what i did wrong..
15:51.34valdynjcnah: what do you want to achieve by changing the speed?
15:51.40jcnahpeterrooney: I am using trickle
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15:51.54jcnahvaldyn: have a more stable connection because the gain is low
15:52.15jcnahvaldyn: I mean the link quality
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15:52.36valdynjcnah: use the "iw" command instead
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15:53.56valdynjcnah: i have not followed wifi things for a few years. I believe iwconfig may be obsolete for the newer driver stack. Just use iw
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15:55.11jcnahvaldyn: ah, I have known the name iw for years but didn't know that it's going to be used as a replacement which makes iwconfig obsolete
15:55.18jcnahvaldyn: but it's manpage is quite poor
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15:55.37valdynSEE ALSO
15:55.42valdyn<PROTECTED>
15:55.49valdynetc.
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16:00.14jcnahvaldyn: the devs of iw did all they can that users who are used to iwconfig have to relearn everything :)
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16:03.17kuerv0hey Im trying to edit manually de menuentrys for grub, but when I do update-grub no changes applied... any idea?
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16:05.06sh00pyou overwrite the changes to the menu entrys when you do update-grub
16:06.17kuerv0but i'm not editing grub.cfg... im editing the grub.d/ directory files
16:07.02sh00pyes, and if I recall correctly, those get overwritten
16:07.22valdynkuerv0: you need to show us your file if you want us to find the error
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16:09.26sillysausagehttps://unix.stackexchange.com/a/164843 seems there isn't a way
16:09.28dinduks1Do you have any idea why does amixer only work and used by root?
16:09.35`ryban:)
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16:10.47kuerv0valdyn, which one? grub.cfg ? or one of the grub.d directory ?
16:10.55valdynkuerv0: grub.d
16:11.03valdynkuerv0: the .cfg is generated anyway
16:11.08jcnahAre they kidding? Using iwconfig, we issued `iwconfig <device>' to get info about a device, with the new tool, it's `iw dev <interface> link'...
16:11.37aediniusjcnah: iw replaces more than just iwconfig.
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16:15.14MeatPopsicleso how long is average for synaptic to preconfigure packages?
16:15.37MeatPopsicleSynaptic is still preconfiguring my packages its been a half hour or more
16:15.50MeatPopsiclegranted it is 18GB worth
16:16.02valdynMeatPopsicle: its going to be slow on a slow computer
16:16.28MeatPopsiclethis is a late model laptop
16:16.39MeatPopsiclelast year I think
16:16.45kuerv0I tried this one:  http://pastebin.com/kzCA2wqc
16:17.06kuerv0and this one :  http://pastebin.com/RsULKksW
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16:18.22valdynkuerv0: it does not work like that
16:18.22r6kuMeatPopsicle: 18gb of packages? that's going to take a while...
16:18.25jcnahaedinius: I never said that iw would `only' replace iwconfig
16:18.34valdynkuerv0: please look at the files in that grub.d directory
16:19.04valdynkuerv0: each file is *executable* and needs to output config, not contain config
16:19.22MeatPopsicleyeah i figured, just making sure, just reinstalled Debian(XFCE this time) and need to get all the games and misc stuff I had back
16:19.27jcnahaedinius: and I don't think that the fact that it replaces more than just iwconfig mandates a complex command line for just retrieving basic info about an interface
16:19.48valdynkuerv0: i would think that windows 10 is found automatically anyway
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16:20.06jcnahvaldyn: changing the tx bit rate doesn't work with iw neither :(
16:20.30valdynjcnah: so it is probably what i first suggested
16:20.37kuerv0yes, is found, but is founded with the name Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (en /dev/sda1)
16:20.37kuerv0]
16:20.43kuerv0i want to rename it to windows 10
16:20.43jcnahvaldyn: looks like
16:20.48MeatPopsiclealso does anyone know a USB Startup disk creator for debian? besides using DD?
16:21.27AvocetVIShonestly.. CLI ftw... dd has always worked best for me - try unetbootin???
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16:23.12MeatPopsicleAlso does Debian XFCE not come with Gdebi?
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16:25.13MeatPopsicler6ku there was a window asking for an email for the Hearse server behind Synaptic, thats why it wasnt progressing
16:25.15zykotick9MeatPopsicle: an "apt-cache rdepends gdebi" doesn't list xfce... it does list cinnamon-desktop-environment however...  you can install it after the fact
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16:28.28Bombois there a way to upgrade iceweasel? i want to use a addon (TooManyTabs) that doesn't work in jessie/iceweasel 31.8
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16:28.45valdyn!mdn
16:28.45dpkgFor stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable.
16:28.51bazhang,v iceweasel
16:28.53juddPackage: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-3; sid: 38.1.0esr-3;
16:28.54juddjessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 39.0-1
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16:29.32bazhangjessie-backports?
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16:29.34Bomboah backports
16:29.51MeatPopsiclewould gdebi be in Synaptic or would I have to manually install it?
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16:34.14Bombohm i added 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main' did 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get -t jessie-backports install iceweasel' says 'iceweasel is already the newest version.'
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16:35.44at0m,v iceweasel
16:35.47juddPackage: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-3; sid: 38.1.0esr-3; jessie-
16:35.48juddbackports/iceweasel-release: 39.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 39.0-1
16:35.50centrxBombo, Stable generally gets the latest version of iceweasel and chromium, as they are browsers with security updates
16:36.15centrxBombo, So unlike many other packages, security is kept up to date with the browsers by keeping up with the latest version
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16:38.43Bombocentrx: installed version is 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1, current firefox is 39.x
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16:41.49centrxBombo, Oh okay right, for iceweasel stable has the ESR Extended Support Release
16:42.05BenWonderDDHey :) When I try to run this sh script : http://paste.linux.chat/view/2ffcadd6 all I get is an : ambiguous redirect error. Anybody knows why?
16:42.30centrxBombo, I don't see a backport for iceweasel for some reason
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16:43.02centrxBenWonderDD, Page not found
16:43.05Bombook i got it with 'deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-release'
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16:43.20BenWonderDDoh
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16:43.53BenWonderDDhttp://pastebin.com/2nXBrz7W
16:43.53BomboUnpacking iceweasel (39.0-1~bpo80+1) over (31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1) ...
16:43.56Bomboyay
16:43.59centrxBombo, ah yes mozilla.debian.net is good
16:44.13Bombonow lets see if toomanytabs addon works
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16:47.27Bombohmmm nope still doesn't work, crap
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16:48.43baegleI'm running Jessie and trying to install a Ruby gem. I have Ruby 2.1 installed, however rubygems-integration appears to be reporting version 1.8 which causes installations to fail. Does anyone have any experience with this problem?
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16:50.31centrxbaegle, 1.8 should be the version of the rubygems-integration, not of Ruby itself
16:51.32baeglecentrx: That is correct. However, I receive an error installing a gem that states I need Ruby version ~> 1.8.7
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16:51.46MeatPopsicleI want to see this answer I am going to be learning Ruby very soon
16:52.13centrxbaegle, Are you installing the gem with bundler?
16:52.26centrxbaegle, the ~ in ~> means it wants > 1.8.7 and < 1.9.0
16:52.34centrxbaegle, What's the gem?
16:52.39centrxMeatPopsicle, Ruby is awesome
16:52.54baeglecentrx: I was trying to install with "gem install ripper"
16:53.29centrxbaegle, See the first two lines at https://rubygems.org/gems/ripper/versions/1.0.5 (found via search for [ripper rubygems])
16:53.46centrxbaegle, So this ripper is an old gem, for 1.8, since replaced by something in stdlib I supposed
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16:53.58baeglecentrx: ah jeez, thanks
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16:55.39John[Lisbeth]I want to bulk install all the wireless adapter drivers so I don't have to look up my wireless adapter, because I am drunk
16:56.01John[Lisbeth]The closed source ones I mean
16:57.15centrxJohn[Lisbeth], I think you could do apt-get install *firmware* but that's probably not the best idea
16:57.29centrxJohn[Lisbeth], narrow it down with: lspci |grep Network
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17:01.59dinduksaedinius: all fixed. :) PulseAudio expects, for whatever reason, "set 5%+", not "set 5+". I had to add my user to the pulse group, and the pulse group was already in the audio group.
17:02.02dinduksthanks :)
17:02.16Bombohmmm can anyone confirm that this addon doesn't work with iceweasel? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toomanytabs-saves-your-memory/
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17:02.43John[Lisbeth]http://sprunge.us/Igbj
17:02.45Bombostrange, it does work with firefox
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17:04.12John[Lisbeth]I know it works on linux cause it's supported in nonfree distros like ubuntu
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17:05.28centrxJohn[Lisbeth], Looks like that's the wired Ethernet, not wireless?
17:06.17centrxJohn[Lisbeth], I think the driver for the wired card is just in the kernel
17:06.27John[Lisbeth]Oh my bad
17:06.35John[Lisbeth]hold on I am going to reconnect
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17:10.05_bootHello, I'm trying to install on a sata raid0 (and i'm following https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid) but when I go into the rescue mode there's no /dev/dm* devices in the root fs list. Any idea what I should try next?
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17:10.27sideup66hello room, i am trying to hunt downa random lag i experience connecting to my samba shares on my debian machine from win7, and im suspecting maybe a filled cache, but when i got to run /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches from root shell it tells me permission denied
17:10.29sideup66what gives
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17:10.44John[Lisbeth]alright My attempts have failed
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17:11.12tox2ikHi. Im trying to boot off a software raid array, which I set up manually. grub-install (and generate-config) did not solve my problem.
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17:11.24John[Lisbeth]the command you gave me is only grepping the ethernet
17:11.37tox2ikAnyway, the initramfs drops me into a shell where I am told that the root=whatever is invalid
17:11.40Bombooh got it to work now, after several reinstalls and a new profile
17:11.50centrxJohn[Lisbeth], Sorry, just look at the lspci then, see if anything else
17:11.53John[Lisbeth]Either my motherboard needs proprietary drivers to reach the usb port, or something is wrong
17:11.58tox2ikhow to I tell it to use a different value for root= after i mount the root fs?
17:12.02centrxJohn[Lisbeth], but grep Network should get the Wireless, you can also try grep Wireless
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17:12.56John[Lisbeth]http://sprunge.us/XZBe
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17:14.18bastonesI've not seen an update to Iceweasel in a while in Debian 8.x. Does anyone know how often Iceweasel usually gets security updates?
17:14.58at0mroughly bimonthly?
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17:15.51centrxbastones, Looks like there was one on July 24
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17:16.25bastonesI must have missed seeing that when I was updating via apt.
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17:19.52n-iCehello
17:19.52John[Lisbeth]Grep isn't going to help if the adapter isn't listed in LSPCI in the first place
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17:20.16n-iCeis testing a rolling out distro?
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17:20.33centrxn-iCe, Yes
17:21.13r6kulspci never lies
17:21.19Bombois there a recent version of wine too?
17:21.23Bombo,v wine
17:21.24juddPackage: wine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.6.2-22; sid: 1.6.2-22
17:21.30John[Lisbeth]I found it under lsusb
17:21.49Bombono 1.7.x ...
17:21.52centrxJohn[Lisbeth], aha!
17:22.11_bootdmraid claims the raid is already active, how can I get the partitions to become available? I can fdisk -l on the entry in /dev/mapper and it's showing correctly there
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17:22.25centrxBombo, wine 1.6 is the stable release, 1.7 is development reelease
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17:23.07seonerhi
17:23.12seonerwhat is jobs -l doing?
17:23.13Bombocentrx: ok
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17:24.03sideup66can anyone help?
17:24.04gr8hi, I am using Geoclue for Redshift. when start redshift, it says geoclue is not running. I can "systemctl start geoclue" to make it work, but I can't do "systemctl enable geoclue" to make it work everytime, because it has no "install" section. How can I start geoclue automatically?
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17:24.49centrxseoner, listing jobs?
17:24.56centrx!ask
17:24.56dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:26.27seonercentrx: ok thank you
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17:30.24_bootis there any way to get the partitions re-scanned?
17:30.45tox2ik<PROTECTED>
17:31.15Bombo_boot: boot ;)
17:31.20RoyK_boot: echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_disk/(something)/devices/rescan
17:31.23c0fe_machineroot filesystem?
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17:31.35RoyK_boot: echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_disk/(something)/device/rescan # even
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17:31.57_bootokay, how would I go about determining which one is the fake-RAID?
17:32.05RoyKBombo: we're not on windows here ;)
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17:32.50c0fe_machine_boot: what you mean fake raid?
17:33.18c0fe_machinesoftware raid you mean?
17:33.22c0fe_machinethat's still raid though
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17:33.29_bootbios raid thing, I have dmraid=true in kernel command line and I see /dev/dm-0 which appears to be the whole device, I can scan partitions with fdisk on that
17:33.35RoyK_boot: if you see all devices, it's fakeraid - if you only see a single blockdevice, it's not
17:33.56RoyK!fakeraid
17:33.56dpkgFakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity.  Most of these have only a BIOS.  For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
17:33.58_bootI can see the individual devices too
17:34.09RoyKdon't use fakeraid
17:34.14_bootgrr, okay.
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17:34.25c0fe_machinei see
17:34.26_bootHow clean is it to set up using soft-raid?
17:34.29RoyKuse mdraid - it works - it works well
17:34.40RoyK_boot: the installer does that for you
17:34.41tox2ikAnother, question after manipulating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf /etc/default/mdadm, how do I regenerate the initramfs?
17:34.42_bootokay
17:34.43c0fe_machineis there any reason for this? since you can get a cheap RAID card and most if not all motherboards nowadays support raid
17:34.45RoyK_boot: if you tell it to
17:34.51_bootwill reboot the installer now
17:34.51c0fe_machineto some degree unless you need something tricky then raid card
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17:35.24RoyK_boot: create partitions for /boot, /, etc and place md on top of those and preferably lvm on top of those and install
17:35.34RoyKnot lvm on top of /boot, though
17:35.49RoyKbetter keep /boot simple on ext2 or something
17:35.58_bootwill probably go minus lvm
17:36.15RoyKI always use lvm
17:36.21RoyKapart from on /boot
17:36.25RoyKno reason not to
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17:36.33_booteh, i think it's cool but i just don't want
17:36.46RoyK_boot: why not?
17:36.48c0fe_machinedon't you want to be cool _boot?
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17:37.01_booti'm fine with just my uuids on this machine
17:37.09_bootwont even have lvm installed
17:37.09RoyKok
17:37.47RoyK_boot: I always use lvm - it doesn't make things slower, just more managable
17:37.51c0fe_machinelol so there are now articles out saying "windows 10 sucks switch to linux" ffs
17:37.52c0fe_machineevery time
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17:38.08_booti used to use it
17:38.20c0fe_machinelinux may not for everyone
17:38.27RoyKand lvm fucked up your fs?
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17:38.31_bootnot at all
17:38.32RoyKnot likely ;)
17:38.45_bootit's just unnecessary for me :)
17:39.44docmurI have lighttpd installed, configured to use /var/www.  I have SELinux set to enforce.  When I do a ps axZ | grep httpd I get the following: unconfined_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023  I have /var/www setup for system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_content_t:SystemLow  When I use my browser and goto the IP I get a 403 error, but the index.lighttpd.html downloads to the box
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17:40.05_bootokay, so i'm at the partitioning screen, how do I set up soft raid?
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17:40.41tox2ikWarning: /sbin/fsck.btrfs doesn't exist, can't install to initramfs, ignoring.
17:40.59tox2ikwhich fsck.btrfs =>  /bin/fsck.btrfs
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18:00.41julius_hi
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18:01.40julius_i get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!        but no other errors, how do i get rid of this?    if there would be something like: couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F        i could download the key...but without that, what do you do?
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18:01.59centrxAre these packages from the Debian repo?
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18:03.17c0fe_machineso selinux likes to block apache
18:03.51_bootmachine seems to hang at "fb: switching to nouveaufb from simple"  - on 980Ti. Should I just blacklist nouveau for now (I intend to run official drivers anyway)?
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18:05.10user557does anybody know how to change the --hash algorithm for LUKS/LVM inside the debian-installer?
18:05.31wallbrokeni installed lxde
18:05.34wallbrokenis so horrible
18:06.10wallbrokenthere is not something like gnome?
18:06.56IdleGandalfcinnamon?
18:06.57AvocetVISwallbroken: there's cinammon..
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18:07.10julius_centrx, yes..samba
18:07.54wallbrokeni need something like gnome, but it must be very light
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18:08.02wallbrokenbecause is in a Virtual Machine
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18:08.58julius_IdleGandalf, is cinnamon any good?
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18:09.15c0fe_machinejulius_: its ok but really a personal preference
18:09.18c0fe_machinei prefer gnome 3
18:09.34julius_wallbroken, dont want to break the spirit, but i doubt that a new DE environment will speed up the virtual part
18:09.46cbt998hi, anyone here that has some experience with inotify / icrond ?
18:09.57julius_at least not that much that it will be working well
18:10.09julius_c0fe_machine, thx
18:10.10c0fe_machinejulius_: what are you trying to do?
18:10.34wallbrokenjulius_, i installed lxde and it is quite fast, but it looks like Windows, and i need something like gnome
18:10.36julius_you mean the WARNING error message?
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18:11.20Darkclaw66im experiencing a weird problem. I am using gnu tar and it's giving me errors when I try to tar multiple directories
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18:12.17Darkclaw66it works fine if I specify one directory but says stat errors when I put multiples
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18:12.54julius_Darkclaw66, first thing you want todo is post the console output on a pastebin site and provide the channel here with the link and the question
18:12.56cbt998i have icrond working to the point that when i reload icrond, i can see that it's working but when it fires the event, next time it won't for the same directory until i reload icrond or edit the icrond(wich reloads icrond) it's like it only works once every time
18:13.02c0fe_machinewallbroken: why is it a problem if it resembles windows?
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18:14.51wallbrokenc0fe_machine, i prefeer something like gnome/macosx style
18:14.57c0fe_machinei see
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18:15.11c0fe_machinethere is openbox which is fairly agile
18:16.36Darkclaw66it's just a one-liner, tar -cf "file.tar" /etc /var/log
18:17.07Darkclaw66but im doing it within a script
18:17.36Darkclaw66okay I found the problem
18:18.34wallbrokena theme like this: http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/gloria/xfce/08_xfce.png
18:18.38wallbrokenis possible on lxde ?
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18:20.39r6kuwallbroken: yes
18:21.02wallbrokenhow?
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18:22.16r6kuwallbroken: install shiki-colors and gnome-colors
18:22.50Darkclaw66anyone know how to have the tar statement work so multiple directories are put together in one string?
18:22.59Darkclaw66tar doesnt seem to like them in one string
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18:25.14wallbrokeni have another problem:
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18:25.25wallbrokenunable to resolve "ftp.it.debian.org"
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18:26.18r6ku1. are you connected to the internet? 2. is your sources.list correct?
18:28.12wallbrokenyes maybe i need to fix my connection
18:28.24wallbrokenping google.com said: unknown host
18:29.13squintyDarkclaw66,  fwiw,   sudo tar -cf "file.tar" /var/log    recurses through /var/log  fine here
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18:31.16r6kuwallbroken: but srs, check your sources.list
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18:32.45TheCreeperwallbroken: Since you cant ping google, do you have the correct nameservers set in /etc/resolv.conf?
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18:33.34wallbrokenlet me try to ping the google ip
18:34.02wallbrokensomething strange happens in bootup
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18:34.26wallbroken"a start job is running for LSB: raise network interf... 39s / no limit)"
18:34.34wallbrokenit requires 20 secs to end
18:34.44Darkclaw66squinty:  I am doing this in a script
18:37.21wallbrokenis not a resolv problem
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18:45.02wallbrokenok solved
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18:51.07wallbrokenr6ku, done
18:51.09wallbrokennow?
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18:51.46r6kugo to your settings and change your themes
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18:56.12wallbrokenr6ku, i'm trying, but nothing make it look like my referring image
18:56.18wallbrokenhttp://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/gloria/xfce/08_xfce.png
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18:57.47r6kuright click the panel, go to settings, make it use system colors
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18:58.55r6kuanything else?
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18:59.35wallbrokenlet me check
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19:00.55arminthe questions whether or not to update user customized file in /etc with the package maintainers version on an dist-upgrade are unclear. the options for answers include "Y" or "N", but there is no prior questions that can be answered with yes or no. this is misleading.
19:01.14armini wonder why people just got used to that.
19:03.29wallbrokenr6ku, set opacity on borders of window
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19:08.14wallbrokenr6ku, nothing about opacity
19:08.54r6kuwallbroken: openbox doesn't have everything :S
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19:34.09wallbrokenwhy i found installed some shit? gimp, libreoffice, and so on...
19:34.14wallbrokeni never done it
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19:34.26wallbrokenmaybe i enabled some field during the install of netinstal?
19:36.36Equawallbroken: you installed the DE during tasksel? they come with it
19:37.03wallbrokenyes
19:37.14wallbrokenis there some way to remove it all?
19:37.33Equawallbroken: apt-get remove but you need the other packages you want to keep
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19:37.45Equa*you need to mark the packages you want
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19:38.36wallbrokenapt-get remove what?
19:39.10Equaapt-get remove the packages you don't want on your system. it will also remove some packages you want so use apt-mark manual so it won't uninstall them
19:39.45babilenAnother reason why one doesn't install the desktop task
19:40.05wallbrokenmaybe it could be faster if i reinstall debian
19:40.08Equai usually do minimal install then install minimal stuff i want
19:40.22wallbrokeni just want the base system, ssh, lxde
19:40.28Equause apt-get --no-install-recommends install lxde-core
19:40.53Equaare you going for a minimalist install for lxde?
19:41.12wallbrokenyes
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19:41.35Equado a install. deselect DE and print server if you dont' need it
19:42.13wallbrokenyes i know
19:42.14Equathen do apt-get install --no-install-recommends lxde-core pm-utils policykit-1
19:42.24Equaare you using nouveau?
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19:43.08Equai usually do apt-get install --no-install-recommends xvideo-xorg-<yourdriver> then install xorg after so it wouldn't install the extra drivers
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19:45.25wallbrokenEqua, apt-get install --no-install-recommends does not work
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19:45.50Equaapt-get --no-install-recommends install <yourpackage>
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19:47.53wallbrokenEqua, i executed that command
19:47.55wallbrokenit works
19:48.11wallbrokenbut i still see all the stuff
19:48.16Equajust add that so you don't get the recommended packages
19:48.24Equawhat package are you installing?
19:48.26Equadon't do lxde
19:48.29Equau need to do lxde-core
19:49.36wallbrokeni simply done [21:42] <Equa> then do apt-get install --no-install-recommends lxde-core pm-utils policykit-1
19:50.04Equawallbroken: your system already have the current packages. that setup is when you don't have them installed
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19:50.37wallbrokenok, nevermind, i reinstall the entire system once again
19:50.57Equawallbroken: you can uninstall all and start over but some packages might not be removed.
19:51.27Equathe gimp and libreoffice will go away though
19:53.09wallbrokenthere is not a way to make it like gnome?
19:53.13wallbrokenwith bar on the top?
19:53.25Equawallbroken: you can move the panel to the top
19:53.43Equaright click on the panel. panel settings
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20:38.34MeatPopsiclewhat email programs do you use?
20:39.10miskatonicI use the emacs for email
20:39.23r6kumutt, I guess
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20:40.19format_cATM I give Gnome Shell a try and hence use Evolution
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20:40.41sh00pthunderbird works great
20:40.46wallbrokenis there some icon on the right of the bar, called "screen lock" how to remove?
20:41.16r6kuwallbroken: right click your panel, there should be a list of panel applets in there somewhere
20:42.16wallbrokenpanel applet?
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20:42.47r6kuthose things on your panel: menu button, clock, window buttons etc.
20:42.57sigurhi
20:43.22wallbrokenok
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20:43.52r6kuwallbroken: you can change your panel to your liking, I think there's one for checking weather too
20:43.56P4Hello. I have an issue with suck;es
20:44.04miskatonicgnome only works with evolution? It becomes more fascist from day to day
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20:44.25P4sorry, accidental ENTER push in the middle of introduction... just a sec for finishing a sentence
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20:47.40P4I have an issue with my script that basically does "cat /irc/to-servers/input > /irc/localhost/\#mychanel/in" where "in" ii from suckless. It seems that every
20:47.52P4damn ENTER key!!!
20:47.58P4hides underground
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20:52.13P4"in" is a pipe that ii is listening to and every time it disconnect from irc network ii just exits leaving the pipe inplace. in that situation my cronjob that talks to the pipe is not exiting correctly likely being waiting for the data receiver on the other end of the pipe rather than quitting immediately after redirecting cat's output just like in case "in" is a normal file
20:52.49P4somebody mentioned it is a problem with system queues related to pipes in filesystem.
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20:53.03wallbrokenthe only way to get a bar where the window menu is transferred over the bar when maximized, like in gnome, macosx, is, only with them?
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20:53.44r6kuhuh?
20:53.46P4if this is correct channel to ask that then how to handle pipes correctly in my script so it stops its execution after throwing some data to a pipe
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20:54.34wallbrokenr6ku, do you know that in gnome, when you have an active window, the top menu, (edit, view and so on...) is tipically on the top bar?
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20:56.25julius_hi
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20:56.59julius_i guess somebody fucked up the software package called "radicale"  - a caldav server. the config /etc/radicale/config is never read in /etc/init.d/radicale
20:57.26r6kuwallbroken: like this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/6WAsB.png
20:57.37wallbrokenyes
20:57.48wallbrokeni'd like to get the sam
20:57.49wallbrokene
20:58.06r6kuI don't think lxde has that, it's a pretty minimal desktop environment
20:58.25sigurhello! how can i setup better font smoothing in google chrome? i use antialiasing and subpixel rendering, works fine in iceweasel
20:58.30P4hi julius_ I believe it would be better to mention it to radicale authors for possible fixation :P are you familiar with pipes in linux filesystem and writing to them maybe?
20:58.39wallbrokenis too much lighter than gnome?
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20:59.16r6kuit's lightest desktop environment available atm
20:59.25miskatoniclxde is nowhere near lightweight
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20:59.58wallbrokenr6ku, and to make smaller icon on the desktop^
21:00.12bastonesI've found LXDE to be fairly lightweight in my time using it.
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21:01.33r6kuwallbroken: I don't remember, if right clicking your desktop doesn't work then maybe check pcmanfm settings?
21:02.06r6kuwallbroken: there you go http://askubuntu.com/questions/103807/how-can-i-change-the-icon-size-on-lubuntus-desktop
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21:03.18wallbrokenok thank you
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21:04.40wallbrokencan i install all the sotware i want on lxde?
21:04.53wallbrokenamule, firefox, chromium and so on...
21:05.05SyncYourDogmasYeah
21:05.09r6kuwallbroken: sure, open up synaptic and look around
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21:05.46wallbrokennow i need to find a fast way to remove all the unuseful stuff
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21:07.27TwinkletoesI have two Debian 8 machines, one an NFS server, and the other mounting /home from the NFS server, using autofs.  For some strange reason, on the client, if I su to the www-data user (i've temproarily changed the shell), I can access *some* homedirs of users but not others, even though the permissions are the same.
21:07.48r6kuwallbroken: only you can decide what's useful or not, so that might take some effort
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21:08.29wallbrokeni just want the base system, an editor, an ssh server/client, and desktop enviroment
21:08.36wallbrokennothing more
21:09.12julius_P4, of course that would be better, was just to lazy
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21:09.30julius_P4, i know what a pipe can do....where is it used in this case?
21:09.30babilendpkg: install gnome
21:09.30dpkgTo install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended).  You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.  https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
21:09.47babilenwallbroken: ^^^ there are different metapackages for gnome (and other DEs)
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21:10.29wallbrokenbabilen, what do you mean?
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21:12.13babilenwallbroken: That it is up to you what you install and that I wouldn't necessarily install the desktop task (as that pulls in everythin and the kitchen sink)
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21:12.59wallbrokenbut gnome is slow in my case
21:13.04wallbrokenit's a VM
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21:14.21MeatPopsicleanyone know how to get a tutanota email work in Icedove/Thunderbird?
21:14.27babilenSo install another DE or even a light window manager (fluxbox, i3, ...) -- The advice to check for different metapackages and do not install the task still holds
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21:17.25wallbrokenbabilen, maybe you haven't followed the discussion since the beginning, but the point is that i'm using lxde, and i'm trying to customize it in the way i like
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21:23.00P4julius_: my script that basically does "cat /irc/to-servers/input > /irc/localhost/\#mychanel/in" every 5 minutes. /irc/localhost/#mychanel/in is a pipe created by ii from suckless.org. it seems that my script requires a listener on the other end of /irc/localhost/#mychanel/in - the ii program to exit at all. each time ii disconnects from irc network it simply exits and leaving the pipe in place, then my
21:23.02P4script waits as long as ii get started and connected again for further listening on that pipe. i would like to write to this pipe just like to a plain file buffering so it exits whatever the write was successful or not and not wait for the pipe listener to become available again.
21:23.04P4i could set a watchdog on ii and fix things when detected but I would rather better control writes in my scripts. the best i would appreciate ideas on how to decide whether to exit after successfull write only or after just sending some data to some place whatever an error code would be returned
21:24.19P4s/buffering not
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21:34.25n008hi, I'm trying to find a good thumbdrive distro but it's intimidating
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21:34.34n008suggestion(s)?
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21:36.13SyncYourDogmasPuppy linux
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21:36.37SyncYourDogmasRuns in memory so works on anything
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21:38.08n008thanks sync, http://puppylinux.org/ was in a tab already, really appreciate the confirmation that it's a good choice
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21:38.25n008last time I installed debian it was on a handful of floppies, times have changed
21:38.36jhutchinsn008: http://pendrivelinux.com - how to do your own with several distros.
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21:39.13SyncYourDogmasYou might wanna try  ##linux :) puppy works great for me, even if it is a bit ugly
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21:39.35SyncYourDogmasShould probably change that
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21:41.51n008thanks jhutchins
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21:42.30n008thanks also sync, I'll try that - #debian was pointed to, didn't know #linux would exist - seems obvious in hindsight!
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21:59.03wallbrokenr6ku, standard utility system must be installed?
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22:00.53r6kuwallbroken: install it
22:01.27wallbrokenr6ku, what is it?
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22:02.02SyncYourDogmasP4: still here?
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22:02.11P4yes I am
22:02.13r6kuwallbroken: stuff you can't live without, see https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task
22:03.01wallbrokenr6ku, ok, there is a problem: lxde does not support guest additions of vbox, and in the support channel they said me to try MATE
22:03.08wallbrokenit works with guest additions
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22:03.13wallbrokendo you know it?
22:03.20r6kunope :/
22:04.05P4playing with if [ `pgrep -c ii` -ne 1 ] ; then /irc/start_ii.sh fi and testing. seems it should be started in separate shell
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22:05.28SyncYourDogmasP4: it sounds interesting, whats thd problem exactly, you only want to  write to the pipe if the listener is running?
22:06.28c0fe_machineman some people really hate nano
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22:06.39c0fe_machineone said it was "clunky" :D
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22:08.08P4no, i simply don't want to have a plenty of cron jobs started every 5 minutes and waiting until I manually start ii the next time i log in e.g. after a week or more. i know i could make it a service, use a watchdog or possibly other solution but the pipes issue is pretty interesting indeed so I would focus on that topic. I have no bg about pipes and no deep filesystem understanding
22:09.01P4i run ext4 on that mountpoint if it matters
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22:10.18P4so the actual problem is different but the question is indeed to  write to the pipe if the listener is running
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22:14.01SyncYourDogmasSorry just to clarify you only want your script to write to the pipe if the listener is running, but dont want to constantly poll for its existance, rather use a buffered pipe instead?
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22:15.34kristijonasJessie. Pulseaudio issues: my laptop has that mic+headset port. just one. i know I can use splitter but at this time i don't want to do it. when nothing is attached, i see two input ports in pavucontrol: microphone (unplugged) and Internal microphone. But my internal mic is used no matter which one I select. But if I plug in headphones with no mic, internal mic gets the unplugged status and I can't use it, WHICH I WANT.
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22:16.25P4no problem, sorry about my english and chaos but that is precisely what I want my script to do. I don't really care about the buffer data but it would be a nice addition on the server performance issues, SyncYourDogmas
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22:17.50kristijonasIs there a way to configure pulseaudio so that it doesn't unplug my internal microphone when I plug in the headset with no microphone?
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22:20.49phixkristijonas: Are you sure it isn't your soundcard / BIOS doing this?
22:21.31petzkuany ideas what could causing my server's apt getting -111 connection refused when the server is working as a router
22:21.46petzkubut when the server is connected to external wifi directly apt works just nicely
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22:22.29phixpetzku: DNS issues?
22:22.54SyncYourDogmasP4: I would personally just append to a file and have cat listener;rm file to wipe it once read. Seems you can buffer a pipe though
22:22.58SyncYourDogmashttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25372/turn-off-buffering-in-pipe
22:23.15petzkuphix, maybe but i'm at a loss on how to troubleshoot this
22:23.17SyncYourDogmasMind sharing yournscript, it sounds interesting
22:23.30phixpetzku: host google.com
22:23.34phixdoes it resolve or not?
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22:23.46phixIf not look at /etc/resolve.conf
22:23.53petzkuit does
22:23.57phixIf not look at /etc/resolv.conf even
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22:24.36phixnow do a DNS lookup of your APT repository (cat /etc/apt/sources.list)
22:24.49phixWhen your server is running as a router and when it is not
22:25.32kristijonasphix, no i am not sure. is it soundcard / bios doing this?
22:25.37petzkui'll do those things when i can take router offline
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22:26.13petzkufunny thing also is that when i'm using this as a router apt tries to connect to some of the repositories with ipv6 addresses
22:26.31petzkueven though i have no ipv6 access
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22:28.29phixkristijonas: You tell me :)
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22:28.47phixpetzku: ah, disable IPv6 perhaps
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22:44.07petzkuphix, yes and if i do disable it the repos give me the same -111 connection refused
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22:46.54whiterabbitHi guys, I have a machine hooked up to two montiors running i3 without a desktop manager, but the direction I move my mouse to switch monitors is wrong. How can I alter my config to change the "swipe direction"?
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22:50.08orlockWe are installing a new DNS server, and the person setting it up has gone with Debian
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22:50.15phy1729also desktop environment fwiw
22:50.23orlockIt seems like the debian bind package doesnt have statistics enabled?
22:50.28whiterabbitthanks, i figured it out
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22:52.09orlockIf so, whats the "correct" way to obtain one?
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22:54.10head8debianwhiterabbit: Ok,, otherwise you can try arandr. Its a handy program for that. i use dual monitors with i3 also.
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22:55.59phy1729arandr is just a gui interface to xrandr
22:57.03phy1729and all xrandr usually needs is   xrandr --output foo --auto --right-of bar
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23:13.33veccioraJust posted this on the forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=123954.
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23:14.30veccioraI hope the problem will be solved.
23:14.52phixpetzku: and can you resolve the repo?
23:15.00phixwhat is your gateway?
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23:22.19AttractiveFemalehow does one best configure USB flash drives to auto mount with specific mount options like nosuid, noexec, etc?
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23:25.22AttractiveFemalewhy is it "dangerous" to compile a kernel with btrfs integrity check compiled in?
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23:28.28squintyAttractiveFemale,  might want to check out the "Disk" program.  plug in usb -> click on double cog icon -> edit mount options
23:28.42squintysorry that should have been  Disks
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23:30.55AttractiveFemalealright.... i'm running xfce... will look for Disks... i am compiling a GRSecurity kernel right now - if that adds any options
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23:36.56wallbrokenlibreoffice comes installed also without "DE" installed :\
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23:38.33AttractiveFemalewhen compiling a kernel, sudo fakeroot make deb-pkg
23:39.14AttractiveFemalegives me an error ".config" not found. I already went through the make menuconfig -- so where do I put the .config file?
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23:39.48AttractiveFemaleit mentions "silentoldconfig" related error and "no rule to make target include/config/auto.conf"
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23:41.18AttractiveFemaleusing this guide https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/Configuring_and_Installing_grsecurity
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23:43.22AttractiveFemaleso... do i rename my .config file to auto.conf?
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23:54.52Skyekk22Hey guys, mind if i ask an openvpn question, or will you summon me to #networking ;x
23:55.32at0m!ask
23:55.32dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:56.42Skyekk22so, i'm working on an openvpn server i'm hosting on a vps. During my initial creating of the ca with easy-rsa, i run ./clean-all - source vars - then ./build-ca  | the issue comes in when the ca was built with a 1024.pem key
23:56.45AttractiveFemaleat0m, surely you have compiled a kernel. what directory do I put the .config file in?
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23:57.08Skyekk22I understand it defaults to this, however, is there a way i can make this a 2048 bit key? Would i change this in vars?
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23:58.34abrotmanSkyekk22: there is a #openvpn ..
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23:58.47Skyekk22abrotman: I think I have to sign up or something to get into #openvpn
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23:59.07abrotmanSkyekk22: Perhaps, but it's probably the best place to ask, /msg nickserv help
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23:59.53Skyekk22thanks
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23:59.59AttractiveFemaleopenvpn is dead and yes you need to register

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