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00:05.17tomboy65i think i messed up my /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:05.46dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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00:06.45tomboy65it's an (ancient) wheezy install. i'm trying to install iucode-tool; when that didn't work i tried with intel-microcode. for the latter it said it was already installed. so i uninstalled it (apt-get remove...) and now neither can get installed again
00:07.05tomboy65it says those packages aren't available, but they are referenced by other packages.
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00:07.46tomboy65the url in my sources.list is: deb-src http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
00:08.10tomboy65as well as deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
00:08.16dvs!wheezy sources.list
00:08.16dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
00:08.22srgtomboy65: only deb-src?
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00:08.36tomboy65oh
00:08.45tomboy65deb as well, missing contrib and non-free there
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00:09.49tomboy65hah! that was it. thanks srg.
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00:40.01KihokkiHello, I accidentally deleted auth.log and recreated it but nothing is getting written to it. Which are the correct owners for this file and permissions?
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00:40.56EquaKihokki: root:adm
00:41.15HydroxideKihokki: mode 0640 together with what Equa said
00:41.25HydroxideKihokki: however rsyslogd is probably writing to the version of the file you deleted
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00:41.41HydroxideKihokki: try service rsyslogd reload
00:42.14KihokkiHydroxide: Actually the owners were correct and mode 0644 was set, now 0644. Trying rsyslog reload now.
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00:42.33HydroxideKihokki: I said mode 0640 not 0644 but that difference shouldn't prevent data from being written
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00:43.53HydroxideKihokki: apparently the exact command which logrotate issues when it rotates the file is: invoke-rc.d rsyslog rotate > /dev/null
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00:44.07KihokkiHydroxide: I seem to have syslog-ng
00:44.08HydroxideKihokki: (invoke-rc.d is an abstraction meant for use by Debian packaging)
00:44.35KihokkiReloaded it and now file is being written!
00:44.35HydroxideKihokki: anyway, sure, make that reload itself if you're using that
00:44.38Hydroxidebut cool
00:44.54KihokkiThanks, never thought about reloading it
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00:45.29Hydroxideon Linux (and most UNIXes) deleting a file doesn't remove access to it from programs which still have the old file still open
00:45.38Hydroxideit just removes that name for that file from that directory.
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00:46.14Hydroxideonly when nothing is referencing the file will the disk space actually be marked as free.
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00:50.54Seattle_Mikeneed to migrate wheezy KDE desktop icons to Jessie KDE? ... Is there a KDE Debian channel?
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00:54.22abrotmanSeattle_Mike: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net
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00:55.19Seattle_Mikeabroteam: Thanks I'll go there.
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01:19.31mancomunadoI've deleted "flash" titled itens on apper since lightspark bugged my browser, and now youtube is crashing. Seems obvious something has been suitable to the dependencies there. So could you please help my ask to quote necessary flash dependencies to make firefox (iceweasel) work again natively? regards
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01:35.48r6kudoesn't the youtube html5 player work? which version of iceweasel do you have?
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01:58.37marioxccHello.
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01:58.43marioxccI tried to install Memtest86+ using synaptic but it hanged.
01:58.50marioxccHere is what it says:https://paste.debian.net/288852/
01:59.04marioxcc/dev/mapper/grupo-debian_alt is an alternative Debian installation (hence the name), it is mostly unused and it can be discarded. However, synaptic is still stuck on that, what should I do?.
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02:03.47marioxccHello. I tried to install memtest86+ using synaptic but it got stuck, here is what the "Details" section says: https://paste.debian.net/288852/
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02:17.38marioxccI tried to install Memtest86+ using synaptic but it hanged. Here is what it says:https://paste.debian.net/288852/. I had to kill it, then I ran "dpkg --configure -a". What should I do in order to make sure my system is bootable?.
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02:26.24si_kabayanHi, I'm using Sid. And currently 31 packages won't updated. 'Current status: 31 updates [-6]'
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02:28.06abrotmansi_kabayan: using what command?
02:28.12themillsi_kabayan: you should not expect packages in sid to be installable for the foreseeable future
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02:28.45si_kabayanSynaptic show me cpp, cpp-5, g++, g++-5, gcc, gcc-5 and gcc-5-base dan holding this update. Because it want to remove alot of packages like gdm3, gnome-shell and libre-office
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02:29.06si_kabayanabrotman: I'm using aptitude
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02:29.50themill!gcc transition
02:29.50dpkgOne of the biggest transitions ever undertaken in Debian: new versions of libstdc++/gcc require over 3000 source packages to be recompiled. Don't expect packages in sid to be installable; use testing instead. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html (and if you didn't already know this, ask yourself if you should be using sid).
02:29.58si_kabayanthemill: Yes. I want to know if its normal because of package flooding after Jessie relesed.
02:30.49si_kabayanthemill: Think I need to wait gcc to settled then ...
02:30.59marioxccI tried to install Memtest86+ using synaptic but it hanged. Here is what it says:https://paste.debian.net/288852/. I had to kill it, then I ran "dpkg --configure -a". What should I do in order to make sure my system is bootable?.
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02:37.09marioxccI tried to install Memtest86+ using synaptic but it hanged. Here is what it says:https://paste.debian.net/288852/. I had to kill it, then I ran "dpkg --configure -a". What should I do in order to make sure my system is bootable?.
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02:42.50marioxccAssume my GRUB installation is broken due to a misbehaving Debian installation script, what should I do *in order to fix it* (reporting the bug doesn't fixes it)?
02:43.46Shentinotry reinstalling grub
02:43.52Shentinouninstall, then reinstall
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02:44.03Shentinoif that doesn't work, try backdating to a previous version
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03:10.27SchillingGood evening, all. I just attempted to put debian on VMPlayer to begin learning. Unfortunately, VM Player doesn't seem to recognize v8.1. Looking for advise on alternative measures (different VMs, reverting to 7.x, workarounds, etc.) I checked google and came up empty on solutions.
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03:49.48johnfghi folks
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03:50.20johnfgJust installed debian jessie with xfce as my DE.
03:50.38johnfgxfce probably has nothing to do with this problem, but just saying.
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03:50.59johnfgGrub seems to be installed fine, except I can't see any entries!
03:51.47johnfgI get this: CAnnot Display This Video Mode.  Optimum Resolution 1280x1024 60 hz, from the monitor, I guess.
03:51.54johnfgHow to remedy?
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03:56.03nurupoDebian Jessie with amd64 and i386 multiarch
03:56.18FelixFire619i can not get Debian (or any other os for that matter) to install to my drive, Mind you everything im trying to work with has been installed before, i think my drive has a non os related write protect, ELP!
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03:56.57nurupowhen trying to install libpulse-dev, i get the next: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpulse-dev : Depends: libglib2.0-dev but it is not going to be installed"
03:57.25nurupowith aptitude "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libglib2.0-dev : Conflicts: libglib2.0-dev:i386 but 2.42.1-1 is installed."
03:57.42nurupoit looks like libglib2:amd64 just can't be installed at the same time as libglib2:i386
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03:59.14johnfgSorry, had to switch terminals.  How can I get grub not to try a video mode that I don't have?
03:59.45BenNZjohnfg: you can specify what video mode you want in /etc/default/grub , just run update-grub afterwards
04:00.16johnfgBenNZ: What mode should I use to get that optimum resolution?
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04:00.43BenNZnurupo: i assume you started with amd64 system and installed the i386 version of that package ? after running dpkg --add-architecture i386 ?
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04:01.49BenNZjohnfg: whatever your monitor can handle , looks like it want 1280x1024 so GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024 or even just GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600 should work
04:02.18johnfgBenNZ: thanks?
04:02.29johnfgs/?/!/
04:02.34nurupoBenNZ: yep, i think so
04:03.19nurupoit is a amd64 with added i386 multiarch, but i don't remember exactly the command used to add i386
04:04.17BenNZnurupo: whats the output of apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev
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04:06.39Junkais there an update notifier for DEs other than gnome and kde?
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04:08.31nurupoBenNZ: just one candidate with 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable/main amd64 Packages
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04:08.54nurupoBenNZ: here is the full output https://build.tox.chat/job/nurupo-test_src/14/console
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04:09.41BenNZnurupo: did you refresh the package cache when you multiarch'd
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04:09.57nurupozero-one: <BenNZ> nurupo: did you refresh the package cache when you multiarch'd
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04:10.25zero-onei followed the guide on the debian site
04:10.35zero-oneiirc, i did an apt-get update
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04:11.07nurupoBenNZ: zero-one is actually the one having the issue
04:11.55nurupozero-one: it seems like the correct output of "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev" would contain also the i386 arch
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04:12.29nurupomaybe try re-running "apt-get update" again?
04:12.31BenNZzero-one: ok i see , as far as im aware it should do , pastebin your sources.list
04:13.36zero-oneBenNZ: http://pastebin.com/9e6u5mvv
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04:15.05nurupozero-one: did you remove the jenkins from there after you installed it?
04:15.33nurupoor you made a separate file in sources.list.d -_-
04:15.33zero-onenurupo: i purged jenkins after i realized i didn't need it
04:15.48nurupooh
04:15.57nuruporight, that's a build machine
04:16.07nuruponot the jenkins UI machine
04:16.37FelixFire619Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
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04:19.48BenNZzero-one: whats the output of sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev:amd64
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04:21.51zero-oneBenNZ: http://pastebin.com/Peze7us8
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04:22.44BenNZzero-one: do you need those packages for anything ?
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04:23.24zero-oneBenNZ: 32-bit builds with libnotify and gdk-pixbuf
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04:24.21nurupowe build 32 and 64 bit versions of the same software on that machine
04:24.34nurupoand they require 32 and 64 bit versions of the same packages
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04:25.06nuruposo we kind of need both of 32 and 64 bit versions of those packages to be present
04:26.32BenNZzero-one: it looks like there is a conflict between the 32 and 64bit , altho im not sure why to be honest
04:27.16zero-oneBenNZ: aaaand now you're where i am
04:27.46zero-onethx for having a look anyway
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04:30.29FelixFire619An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Install the system
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04:32.43nurupoBenNZ: thanks for the help :)
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04:36.29mancomunadoSo, everytime I try to install a source code make stuck me for dependencies. It's quite insane they don't teach you how to install the dependencies on the compiler readme. How to perform it?
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04:46.39peterrooneymancomunado: Yeah, that seems like a funny oversight - apt-get build-dep iceweasel
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05:11.25veccioraI'm confused seeing this https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list_for_Debian_8_.22Jessie.22.
05:11.45dhaval2712Help, samba shares refuse to mount as regular user, even if I add the -o user=$user option
05:11.50veccioraWhat's the difference between jessie/updates and jessie-updates?
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05:12.18dhaval2712Exact command; `sudo mount //10.1.1.2/Shares ~/Public -o rw,username=dhaval`
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05:12.55rozievecciora: host is also different
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05:13.10dhaval2712Oh. Nevermind. Added uid arguments and it worked...
05:13.32dhaval2712Anyway, so do what is the KDE situation in testing. Right now it seems horrifically broken.
05:14.26orlockDoes anybody know of a bind .deb for jessie with statistics support compiled in?
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05:17.15veccioraI want to see the directories.
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05:18.39veccioraAfter reading this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4255/why-is-there-a-separate-package-repository-for-debian-security-updates I understand.
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05:20.18veccioraI think jessie/updates means that the updates folder is under the jessie folder in the repo.
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05:21.36veccioraOr not.
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05:21.50veccioraI'll just think that security repo is special.
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05:42.20xrealsystemd really s**x. When using "
05:42.20xrealsystemctl start postgresql.service", I don't get any information, if it has been started or not...
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05:45.41Equaxreal: use systemctl status <service>
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05:46.01xrealEqua: Isn't there any way to add "verbose" to start ?
05:46.17Equamost linux command ... silent mean it's working
05:46.44SirLagzexcept the service start commands are one of the few that I would actually like output from lol
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05:47.05xrealEqua: even with exception, it doesn't output anything.
05:47.11xrealEqua: "Active: active (exited) since Di 2015-08-04 03:34:44 UTC; 2h 14min ago" ...
05:47.21xrealactive or exited? :)
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05:47.27Equayeah, need to read journctl for it
05:47.51orlockdoes it give a return code even?
05:47.57ShentinoI hate systemd
05:48.00xrealEqua: so 2 different commands for something, init did before on stdout/stderr?
05:48.06xrealShentino: same here, it's a step back.
05:48.16ShentinoWhy is debian depending on systemd anyway?
05:48.24xrealShentino: I think, they paid money.
05:48.30Equa*journalctl
05:48.38Shentino...you mean a payoff/corruption?
05:48.51Arahael_The debian live iso images are broken - they don't support uefi. :(
05:48.52Equaxreal: you can still use sysvinit
05:48.54xrealShentino: suddenly even Ubuntu switches to systemd. They had their own init.
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05:49.09xrealEqua: but for how long?
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05:49.40Arahael_xreal: Probably indefinitely, unless you mean the original sysv-init?
05:49.44xrealEqua: Debian's work-around and wrapper scripts for nearly everything gets more complex every week.
05:49.59Equaxreal: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html
05:50.00ShentinoSo basically everything else was starting to depend on systemd so debian had to cave
05:50.06xrealEqua: Is this the correct thing? journalctl -xn
05:50.14dgriffilazy maintainers believed the siren-song emitted by Poettering
05:50.22Equado a man on it for other commands
05:50.28Shentinoand they dragged the entire userbase with them
05:51.00dgriffiif they're going to play games with requiring Gnome3 to depend on systemd, then that's a signal to jettison Gnome3
05:51.15themillMaybe we could stick to answering technical support questions
05:51.57Shentinoand maybe we should all back off and let the codemonkeys do what they want
05:52.13Shentinoit was said tha tthe actual coders are the ones choosing systemd
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05:52.38Arahael_Frankly, I _like_ systemd.
05:53.00dgriffiyeah, and Leonart Poettering likes it too.
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05:53.06Arahael_The issue, really, is that using linux on laptops, desktops, and the like, are a different use case to servers, with different priorities, hence the controversies.
05:53.40dgriffiI haven't yet seen any convincing argument that the kitchen-sink approach of systemd is a good idea.
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05:54.14themillIf you've got the mind set that nothing you read is convincing, then you're not suddenly going to find one here. Let's move on.
05:54.16Arahael_dgriffi: It's good for desktop/laptop users.  That's probably about it.
05:55.07Arahael_What I hate, though, is this move to uefi, and how it's broken _everything_. :(
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05:56.38dgriffiArahael_: so, then why is something so complex required?
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06:05.35Shentinodgriffi:  there's not much we can do about it.  The ones making systemd "spread like a cancer" are the ones at the top of the source code food chain adding dependencies to it
06:05.45r6kuthe final evolution of GNU/Linux: GNOME OS, computing for retards
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06:06.00Shentinoi.e., gnome, for one
06:06.12themillperhaps you were looking for some other channel? ##chat perhaps?
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06:08.14Arahael_dgriffi: Because some use cases call for it.
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06:08.37Arahael_themill: Love your ##. :)
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06:10.49mancomunadoIs difficul to set 'grep' or another tool, to insert sequential letter (a, b, c) at each beginning of line? line1=a word/line2=b word/line3=c word
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06:11.41Arahael_mancomunado: Impossible, actually.
06:11.52Arahael_mancomunado: You probably want sed, or other tool.
06:11.53Equaeasily with a python program
06:12.00mancomunadoanything.
06:12.05roziemancomunado: what's after z?
06:12.26Arahael_What is full system encryption like in Debian, how easy and how good is it?
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06:12.43mancomunadorozie, good question. there's a software that requires each line beginning with a word and that actually is pretty retarded to "pair"
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06:13.41mancomunadoI tried using 'a' at each line, but it doesn't work
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06:14.00Shentinothemill:  now that I know you're staff here, yes I'm looking for whatever channel you tell me to take it to. ^.^
06:14.01roziemancomunado: perl -e '$l="a"; while (<>) {print "$l $_"; $l++}'
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06:15.20Arahael_Shentino: The various offtopic channels are ideal.  #debian-offtopic may be one, I believe.
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06:16.34mancomunadorozie, where is the text on " perl -e '$l="a"; while (<>) {print "$l $_"; $l++}'"?
06:16.39mancomunado.txt i mean
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06:17.14roziepipe you file through this perl
06:17.24roziecat file.txt | perl -e ...
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06:17.39zosoHi, I am running debian wheezy on one of my servers. I want to create a sftp jail? How can I go about it? I have been able to restrict the user to login into a chroot directory using sshd_config, but after that the user has no write or read permissions whatsoever. Anyway to get around this limitation?
06:18.01Shentinoso I'm guessing this channel is reserved for tech support and not actual debian-related chit chat
06:18.42Shentinoarahael:  Systemd is explicitly banned in #debian-offtopic
06:19.32ShentinoI guess I'll just have to accept that discussion isn't welcome, well, anywhere at all
06:19.50Arahael_Shentino: :D
06:19.51Equatry ##linux
06:20.19ShentinoOr maybe ##politics XD
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06:21.19orlockDoes anybody know where i might be able to find a bind .deb with xml support?
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06:25.50AttractiveFemalealright so I have a new problem. I went to log into my system, through xfce standard login, and it goes to black, gives me a pointer, then immediately returns to the login screen
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06:26.15AttractiveFemalessh is not an option
06:26.22Equaalt + ctrl + F1 - F6
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06:28.07AttractiveFemaleyay
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06:36.09darxmurfI have a question with logrotate conf
06:36.19darxmurfhere is my files and the conf http://pastebin.com/bGwFYrJ8
06:36.21darxmurfpretty simple
06:36.42darxmurfbut when I run logrotate it says there is no rotation needed
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06:37.24darxmurfI tried to change the date of the rsync_xray.log file 24h ago but same result
06:39.17Equatry logrotate /your/config/file
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06:39.59darxmurfit's what I did
06:40.09darxmurfconsidering log /var/log/xray-scripts/rsync_xray.log log does not need rotating
06:40.11Arahael_I have an SD Card, how can I confirm that the SDCard is recognised?
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06:40.31darxmurfArahael_: try to mount it
06:40.43Arahael_darxmurf: I don't know which device it is.
06:41.26Equafdisk -l
06:41.49JohnnyonFArahael_, check dmesg?
06:41.51AttractiveFemalehow can I use the keyboard to scroll through logs while not in X?
06:41.59swift110-phoneHey
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06:43.04EquaAttractiveFemale: shift + pageup/down
06:43.16Equaor you can just do your command | less
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06:44.22Arahael_JohnnyonF: I seem to have mmcblk0boot01, and mmcblkoboot1. Are these the same, or different devices?
06:44.45Arahael_JohnnyonF: I also have an sda1 device, which seems to be my external usb stick.
06:44.49JohnnyonFmmcblk0boot* imply a SDCard with two partitions
06:45.10JohnnyonFmmcblk0boot[0,1]*
06:45.37Arahael_JohnnyonF: The partitions seem to be mmcblk0pX, where X is 1, 2, 3, and 4 on my system. The only device that has 4 partitions is an internal eMMC drive, which is not my sdcard.
06:45.45JohnnyonFArahael_, I can't assume much however, I have no idea of your setup
06:46.01Arahael_JohnnyonF: I have no idea either. Exploring this Asus X205 system.
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06:46.13JohnnyonFArahael_, remove and insert the sdcard
06:46.16JohnnyonFand check dmesg
06:46.23JohnnyonFsee what happens
06:46.52Arahael_Hmm.  No change to dmesg...  It must not be supported by this kernel?
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06:48.08Arahael_I think I'll run with that interpretation. :)
06:48.46JohnnyonFArahael_, https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA
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06:49.03JohnnyonFread "microSD Card Reader"
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06:49.50Arahael_JohnnyonF: That page is a bit unclear - it implies using kernel 4.1 from the get-go, without explaining how.
06:50.06Arahael_JohnnyonF: I seem to be able to install, hopefully, using jessie.  Then I'll later update when it's done.
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06:50.33Arahael_JohnnyonF: I'm also in the rescue mode shell.
06:50.37rubenbHi. I've just installed Debian 8 on my workstation, yet it only sees one graphics card (I have two). Any suggestions on where to fix this?
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06:50.57JohnnyonFArahael_, since this is a work-in-progress, I'd assume updating the kernel could be a good idea
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06:51.12JohnnyonFseems like even wireless requires 4.x+
06:51.13Arahael_JohnnyonF: The question is when.
06:51.16Arahael_Indeed.
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06:57.34darxmurfnobody for this logrotate question ? :)
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07:05.22xrealCan I find out, which application is swapping ?
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07:05.52aidan160anybody have experiance with installing hyper-v intagration servaces
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07:13.19Arahael_xreal: swap isn't something applicatiosn care about or do.
07:13.43xrealArahael_: I can't understand why it swaps. 12 GB of 16 GB are free.
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07:15.00darxmurfxreal: swapoff -a
07:15.08darxmurfswapon -a
07:15.11xrealdarxmurf: hehe :))
07:15.14Arahael_xreal: The kernel is probably swapping because it can.
07:15.16darxmurf:)
07:15.40Arahael_xreal: It may have determined that it's unlikely to need that RAM.
07:15.43xrealArahael_: I thought, swapping is like... eating 10 Big Macs in 10 Minutes? (bad)
07:15.49darxmurffor this logrotate stuff, I just ran it with -f and it's fine now. It was just because I changed files and conf  today
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07:16.50Arahael_xreal: That is an awful simplification.
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07:18.42xrealArahael_: I've placed a 20 GB swapfile on my RAID-5. Oh, perhpaps I shoud lower swappiness in kernel ??
07:18.49trewasxreal: if you have enough RAM to be unlikely to run out in normal use, it is best to not have swap at all
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07:19.11roziexreal: or use zram
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07:19.19xrealzram? gooooooooogle
07:20.10ryoumaswappiness, even at 1, does not work for me.  seems no swap is quite different.
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07:25.09ChrisHI know this is the old fashion approach, but I still use the same amount of swap as RAM is installed. I know Linux Kernel is a but different but on eg. Solaris you see using swap -s the difference between swap and no-swap on on hoiw much memeory would be handed out from kernel to requesting processes.
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07:26.16darxmurfI have machines with 64Gb of RAM, I would not create 64Gb of swap :D
07:26.27SirLagzChrisH: I'm the same. I only have 4GB of RAM lol
07:26.29ChrisHdarxmurf: _I_ would :)
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07:26.45xrealI've created my mdadm as /dev/md/xreal and I was able to access it by this name ... after reboot it's named /dev/md/127 or /dev/md/server:xreal ("server" was the label, I gave to the main raid array). What has happened it /dev/md/xreal? :-(
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07:30.39darxmurfis there somebody here using an Intel 7260ac card here ?
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07:33.30Arahael_xreal: Your udev rules are the culprit here.
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07:34.13xrealArahael_: I haven't set up any rules :(
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07:34.33SirLagzxreal: there are rules setup by default though
07:34.35Arahael_Als, if I recall...  The idea that "swap should be the same size as RAM", was related to a time when linux wasn't scheduling the RAM usages properly unless this ratio was used?
07:34.49xrealSirLagz: Okay, have to check this.
07:35.01Arahael_xreal: There lies madness. Be warned.
07:35.17xrealArahael_: It's debian... nothing new :)
07:35.33Arahael_disputes that.
07:35.48Arahael_xreal: I'm a windows dev.  Debian is sanity.
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07:37.22xrealArahael_: same here. 90% Windows, 10% Linux.
07:37.34xrealArahael_: Since there's cygwin, I'm moving more and more away from Linux.
07:37.48xrealArahael_: Haven't had a bluescreen for 4 weeks now.
07:37.52Arahael_xreal: cygwin has issues.
07:37.58xrealArahael_: but it's useful.
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07:38.09xrealArahael_: bash is _very_ powerful on Windows.
07:38.10Arahael_xreal: Yes, but it's still a differnet subsystem.
07:38.13xrealsure.
07:38.35Arahael_xreal: Sometimes, teh windows api has different results depending on the application or subsystem that calls it.
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07:47.20jellyxreal: do you have an appropriate ARRAY line for it in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
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07:49.40xrealjelly: yep, 1 sec
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07:50.25darxmurfI'm unable tu use this intel 7260AC at full speed under my debian testing, is there something to do for that ?
07:50.28xrealjelly: ARRAY /dev/md/0  metadata=1.2 UUID=fde0531a:8b5ee000:15ce9df2:be2356ea name=server:0
07:50.28xrealARRAY /dev/md/xreal  metadata=1.2 UUID=1ce4ad2b:2c8dd016:6f8d0d0b:598b01d3 name=server:xreal
07:50.34darxmurfMode:Managed  Frequency:5.24 GHz
07:50.44darxmurfit's connected at the right frequency
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07:51.10darxmurfbut the max speed I can have is 8.5Mb/sec by FTP
07:51.30darxmurfwhich is not even 802.11n :-/
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07:53.04darxmurfI have 2 good antenas and I'm less than 10m from the access point
07:53.19Arahael_darxmurf: Turn your lights and fridge off.
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07:53.54darxmurfshould I also buy this wifi spray and put a red t-shirt on ?
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07:54.05Arahael_Hmm...  Just had a thought: How can I replace a kernel prior to installing debian?
07:54.12Arahael_Such that I install debian with kernel 4.2
07:54.31Arahael_darxmurf: I'm not kidding.
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07:54.53darxmurfAh
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07:55.54darxmurfbut my windows machine is working fine at full speed
07:56.08Arahael_darxmurf: Ah, then maybe sucky drivers/firmware/settings.
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07:56.27Arahael_darxmurf: Raise a bug with the manufacturer.
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07:58.45Arahael_darxmurf: (Sorry, I'm a bit rattled today - seriously do check to see if there is a newer driver, firmware, or kernel - try googling)
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07:59.42FemaleBotbtrfs ---- can I use it for /boot? 3.16 kernel but could update to 4.1.3 if necessary
07:59.49atroposyou cant to for $2 a day
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08:00.16ChrisH!op atropos spamming weird stuff
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08:00.22atroposWell do its fuckin of hurradura tequila day. $1
08:00.28ChrisH!ops atropos spamming weird stuff
08:00.29dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: chrish complains about: atropos spamming weird stuff
08:00.30FemaleBotatropos, umm.....#debian-offtopic
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08:00.52marienzChrisH: ty
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08:01.50SWATdarn, why can't partman (preseed) just create /dev/sda1 for /boot and /dev/sda2 as a LVM PV (with VG) and put the rest of the LV's onto that. If anybody ever got this working, please let me know
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08:04.00FemaleBotin expert install --- can I just install /boot on a btrfs filesystem or will that fail to boot?
08:04.12FemaleBotjessie 8.1
08:04.20darxmurfArahael_: I tried the last driver from intel but it's worst
08:04.29darxmurfnot connecting at the right freq
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08:04.59acn128hi! what's the equivalent to "dpkg-reconfigure -a" in jessie? this option is not available any longer :-(
08:05.01SWATFemaleBot: depends if GRUB2 supports it
08:05.34babilenacn128: That should still work
08:05.47Arahael_darxmurf: Good luck. :(
08:06.14SWATacn128: the question is, what are you trying to achieve
08:06.36acn128babilen: no, this option has been removed.
08:06.56SWATbabilen: that option is gone
08:06.59acn128SWAT: i want to run the configuration scripts of all packages again
08:07.05babilenacn128: That command, in itself, is pointless though and you are probably looking for "dpkg --configure -a" -- A "dpkg-reconfigure -a" is, despite my statement, incorrect :)
08:07.11babilen(stupid mental autocorrect)
08:07.13darxmurfarahael: thanks
08:07.14darxmurf:D
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08:07.57acn128babilen: I'll try that
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08:09.02acn128babilen: "dpkg --configure -a" does not what i want, in fact it does nothing on the specific system
08:09.15babilenacn128: What *do* you want?
08:09.18EdwardSnowbenanyone anyone have a list of preferable/recommended mount options for things like /boot /proc /tmp etc.... doing a fresh debian install
08:09.46acn128I want to run all configuration scripts *again* to check if everything is configured correctly (i.e. the way I want it)
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08:10.18acn128and the best way is to run all of them again insted of picking several packages and forgetting some others...
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08:10.34acn128"dpkg-reconfigure -a" did that exactly as i wanted it :)
08:10.37babilenacn128: It is true that "dpkg-reconfigure" no longer takes the "-a" option (reconfigure everything)
08:10.43acn128yep
08:12.07acn128so, how can I achieve the same goal now?
08:12.19SWATthe '-a' option is not mentioned in the current manpage
08:12.25SWATacn128: please also read the man page
08:12.38SWATfor loop -> feed that to dpkg-reconfigure -> profit
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08:13.42acn128so i need to enter >> for i in `dpkg -l|awk '{print $2;}'`; do dpkg-reconfigure $i; done << now? seriously?
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08:15.22babilenacn128: fwiw, I never had to do that. In what kind of a pickle did you get yourself so that that course of action seems sensible?
08:15.30epsilonwhy hell you want reconfigure all packages?
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08:16.19acn128I want to be sure that all packages are in a well-defined state after installing the system and that I have seen and been able to set all options.
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08:16.47acn128e.g. I have installed exim4 but it never showed the configuration options to me.
08:16.59SWATacn128: I'd use "dpkg -l|awk '{print $2;}'|grep ^[a-z]". But honestly, this sounds a bit masochist to me
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08:17.38acn128I could now search for all packages that maybe(!) have options, but I always thought that "dpkg-reconfigure -a" just did that the failsafe and best way...
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08:17.56SWATI'd just reconfigure exim4 then, but hey, it's your party
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08:18.42acn128SWAT: that is true for *this* one package. but sometimes one cannot know if a package has options via debconf or not. so I cannot know if I have to run "dpkg-reconfigure some-weird-package" or not...
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08:20.19EdwardSnowbenquestion regarding expert install
08:20.48EdwardSnowbenwill the "default mount options" vary by directory if they are on differing partitions? /proc, etc
08:21.25hid3Hello everyone. Is there any utility (command line) to convert *.dav video files to .avi format?
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08:24.17Steven_hello folks, make-kpkg used to have a flag --added-patches to apply a set of patches to the kernel source. This seems to have vanished. What is the recommended way to apply patches to a kernel tree before packaging with make-kpkg?
08:25.51darxmurfhid3: maybe HandBrake
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08:26.38hid3from what I've read, it requires graphical interface... :(
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08:29.23darxmurfthere is also a command line
08:29.35darxmurfbut it commes with a GUI yes
08:30.08peterrooneySteven_: I thought the kernel had "make deb-pkg" now
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08:30.51Steven_peterrooney: that sounds good too, is that what debian uses to build its kernels?
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08:42.34kristijonashello, I am experiencing bluetooth  audio latency problem, was trying to solve it by using pulseaudio latency offset functionality, but it looks like every single time latency is different. Any other solutions? My sound system works fine without noticable latency when I output audio via bluetooth from my Android phone.
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08:45.22EdwardSnowbencan i put /boot on a software raid?
08:46.11EdwardSnowbenie, does the kernel need to start the software raid or does grub2 do it? debian
08:48.05ChrisHEdwardSnowben: I did it quite often... honestly not even considered it would not work :)  Debian installer handles it correct. Even /boot on mirrored LVM Lvol worked for me
08:49.16EdwardSnowbenso... once I create a raid volume, if I need to make more than one partition, I have to set up an LVM
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08:50.50darxmurfdrwxr-x---.  2 root isic-div   4096 Oct  9  2009 ╨ ╜¿     ╨
08:50.53darxmurfthat folder name :D
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08:52.10ChrisHEdwardSnowben: excerpt of a working setup http://paste.debian.net/288936/
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09:20.40EdwardSnowbenso.. say you want to put two partitions in an encrypted lvm on a raid 1
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09:24.29EdwardSnowbenso, first, you create the raid 1, then you create an LVM with /boot and a physical volume for encryption, then you create yet ANOTHER LVM in the encrypted volume for your mounts
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09:24.35EdwardSnowbencorrect?
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09:27.42jim87hello! I've got two PGP keys I don't know where to grab them from: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 - I've tried searching them from here: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu/ but there are no results (they are the wheezy-backports apt source)
09:28.03jim87how can I fix it?
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09:31.22babilenjim87: Is debian-archive-keyring installed and up-to-date ?
09:31.43jim87babilen: yep, but I suppose it's not getting them due to port blocking
09:32.04babilenWhat are you doing exactly?
09:32.21jim87adding the wheezy-backports repo to the apt list
09:32.30jim87(I need to install a particular lib)
09:32.52babilenCould you paste your sources.list, the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" and that of "apt update" to http://paste.debian.net ?
09:33.07babilenAh, include "apt-key list" as well.
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09:33.48jellyEdwardSnowben: you don't need the first lvm.  make two partitions, and separate md raid arrays for each, use the small array for boot and large as dm-crypt/luks backend
09:34.11EdwardSnowbenjelly oh
09:34.12babilenjim87: Any particular reason why you use wheezy-backports as opposed to upgrading to jessie? (the current stable release)
09:34.18petn-randallEdwardSnowben: The usual stack is RAID|LUKS|LVM. RAID|LVM|LUKS also works, but has the disadvantage of still leaking tons of information on the unencrypted disks.
09:34.27jim87babilen: raspbian I suppose
09:34.59jim87I could indeed... just reading raspbian has a jessie version too
09:35.19babilendpkg: raspbian
09:35.19dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
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09:35.54jim87thanks babilen :)
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09:36.50WolfieHello, Somewhat of a random question, but what is ^@
09:37.15WolfieIt keeps appearing when I type in terminal
09:37.15jellyWolfie: a representation of nul-byte '\0'
09:37.18darxmurfBit Rate=650 Mb/s
09:37.22darxmurf\o/
09:37.27Wolfieand keeps fing my login
09:37.35jellyWolfie: console login?
09:37.36darxmurfbut suck 50% of CPU during transfert :D
09:37.38Wolfieyeah
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09:38.39jellyWolfie: might be that console got stuck in raw mode, that can happen if eg. something forcibly kills X server process
09:39.02jellyWolfie: use Alt-SysRq-r to unRaw it
09:39.24WolfieI switched to the console with ctrl+alt
09:39.31WolfieI only have a keyboard -_-
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09:39.58Wolfieand while I know how to use the gui without I rather not
09:40.09Wolfiebesides, I am turning into a headless
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09:45.36ChrisHEdwardSnowben: no. partion1 -> Raid1 -> /boot Partition 2 -> Raid1 -> crypt (possible, not on that box) -> Pv -> LVM -> LVs (looks strange, but is pretty straight forward in Debian expert installer)
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09:50.12Wolfiejelly, What encoding do I want the console to be interpeting?
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09:50.55WolfieRaw, MediumRaw, Xlate, Unicode
09:51.24jellyWolfie: xlate or unicode, probably
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09:53.10EdwardSnowbenChrisH, Pv? what is that step?
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09:56.40ChrisHEdwardSnowben: PV -> Physical Volume. Thats what you put into a VG (Volume Group) in LVM.
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09:57.33EdwardSnowbenoh physical volume for encryption. anyway, my 5tb raid 1 is now being written with random data... this shall take a while
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09:58.23jellydpkg, tell Wolfie about keymap
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10:05.41vroomfondel|2are there book recommendation for the topic (in my own words) "groking the Linux kernel and program execution (and file system connection)"?
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10:18.14FelixFire619ok, do got some reason my hdd wont let me install debian, windows ubuntu etc
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10:27.22vroomfondel|2are there book recommendation for the topic (in my own words) "groking the Linux kernel and program execution (and file system connection)"?
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10:33.29mc68030vroomfondel|2: there's a book by uh .. greg kroah?
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10:34.20mc68030Linux Kernel in a Nutshell by Greg Kroah-Hartman
10:34.27mc68030it may be useful to you
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10:38.52omid8bimohelp please. my rabbitmq server File descriptors & Socket descriptors keeps growing until it get saturated and stops accepting new connections. so i have to kill the rabbitmq process and start it again. any ideas why this is happening?
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10:45.32ChrisHomid8bimo: rabbitmq has a filedescriptor leak. Have it fixed. Untill then, monitor it and restart before it hangs at a convient time.
10:45.49omid8bimoChrisH: really? its a bug?
10:48.01ChrisHomid8bimo: sounds like one. How many FDs are allowed and now many are used? Do you monitor that?
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10:48.57omid8bimoChrisH: yeah i monitor it. i've enabled web management plugin. i set the limit to 200000 and after 2 days of usage, it reaches around 170000
10:49.27ChrisHomid8bimo: How many clients are connected to the MQ Box? 2 millions?
10:49.52omid8bimoChrisH: nope. Connections: 19156 Channels: 19156 Exchanges: 8 Queues: 69736 Consumers: 19081
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10:51.24omid8bimoChrisH: so, what do you think?
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10:53.42ChrisHomid8bimo: I would check using procfs  why so many FDs are used. cd /proc/PID/fd  ; ls -l   and then get in touch with rabitmq.  one of our ActiveMQs with abt. 400 Queues, 8 Servers sending and receiving has <800 FDs open
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10:56.03omid8bimoChrisH: i've reported the issue and they didnt know either!
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10:56.36omid8bimoi was thinking maybe i should tune debian kernel a little to close tcp connections or something. or close sockets somehow
10:56.40Guest13365hi, how can I set up a modem (internet key) in linux?
10:56.58ChrisHomid8bimo: looks like a java application. If possible create a heap dump and have it analysed with mat.
10:57.04Guest13365wvdial says:  "Cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory"
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10:57.37ChrisHomid8bimo: its the applications duty to close TCP Sockets... check netstat -an | grep local-app-port
10:57.57ChrisHGuest13365: via mobile network? Network Maanger involved?
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11:00.08omid8bimoChrisH: using "netstat -tuan | grep ':1883 ' | awk '{print $6}' | sort | uniq -c" i get "101963 ESTABLISHED"
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11:00.37Guest13365ChrisH, I'm using wvdial on command line. The problem is: somewhen get the connection lost, and then I need to reboot , so that the modem is recognized by the system
11:00.50omid8bimoChrisH: it shouldnt be that much ESTABLISHED since i have only 19156 connections. right?
11:01.28ChrisHGuest13365: as you did not answer my questions completly, I can only recommend to make sure usb-modeswitch is installed.
11:01.57Guest13365ChrisH, somehow the devide ttyACM0 disappears and the only way to make it appear again is reboot
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11:03.01ChrisHomid8bimo: thats what I would assume... it more then 5 connections per client. have a closer look at the ESTABLISHED and the not-ESTABLISHED connections.
11:03.33Guest13365ChrisH, usb_modeswitch is installed, I'm on a notebook and the modem is an internet key
11:03.33Guest13365ChrisH, I don't know what network manager is
11:03.58ChrisHGuest13365: does  unplug/replug the USB Stick change anything?  What is in dmesg when it fails?
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11:17.56fcp15hello, anyone help with install of virtualbox :S
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11:18.13fcp15i'm tryng a few days runnig virtualbox with vagrant up and appears an msg
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11:24.49at0mfcp15: are you installing from debian repo's using apt* ?
11:25.29fcp15i try from repos and from virtualbox site
11:25.33fcp15the last version
11:25.37fcp15virtualbox 5
11:25.56fcp15VBoxManage --version
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11:26.09fcp15appears /dev/vboxdrv doesn't exist
11:26.17ChrisH,v virtualbox
11:26.18juddPackage: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u2; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; stretch/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1; sid/contrib:
11:26.19judd4.3.30-dfsg-1; experimental/contrib: 5.0.0-dfsg-1
11:26.56ChrisHVirtualbox 5 is not in the stable repos. Why not use virtualbox from debian repos?
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11:27.32fcp15ok and how can i downgrade
11:27.33fcp15?
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11:28.09fcp15when i try to modprobe vboxdrv -> module vboxdrv not found
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11:28.19ChrisHremove what ever you installed from untusted sources and run apt-get install
11:28.36fcp15ok i gona try again brb
11:28.38ToffeHi, i have a file which contains a special character, is there anyway to get the numeric value of that character so i can look up what it is?
11:29.11Toffels -lah shows me it as "?" on my mac its just an invisible no-length character
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11:32.34darxmurffor ppl interested in 802.11ac, here is what I change to force a bit the speed of the link on my machine
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11:32.40darxmurfadded : RUN+="/usr/bin/iw dev %k set power_save off" in udev rules for the wifi card
11:32.47darxmurfadded "options iwlmvm power_scheme=1" and "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=0" un a modprobe conf file
11:32.52darxmurfforced the freq in wpa_supplicant conf file with
11:32.56darxmurffrequency=5240
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11:33.10darxmurfand it's a bit better now
11:33.41darxmurfstill not the speed of light but not too bad
11:33.50darxmurfBit Rate=650 Mb/s
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11:34.24darxmurfas the machine is a poor Atom mini-itx board, I can not expect the performances of an 12 cores server :D
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11:41.37pragomer1according to this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2189855  (that one from davidlukas.m)  I urgently need a linux with 32bit-efi... anyone know where to get? because my skills arent good enought to do this
11:42.17susancraginThere is no copy of libwine-development:i386 in the repo. (I've activated unstable and experimental). There is a copy of wine32-development-preloader:i386 but of course not installable. Is this due to the gcc upgrade announced recently?
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12:00.00Steven_why does make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image not include an initrd in the package?
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12:02.07rozieSteven_: isn't it created during installation?
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12:02.46Steven_dunno
12:03.04Steven_that might explain it
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12:05.12petn-randallSteven_: It's created on postinst, since it depends on your initramfs settings.
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12:06.15Steven_petn-randall: ok thx
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12:06.17Steven_I'll try it
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12:11.12Steven_initrd is indeed created on install
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12:16.01JohnnyonFHey, what package populates [language_code] in lightdm? I'm using --no-install-recommends/suggests and the menu is empty for me
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12:19.55arahaelso...  how does one compress files using rescue mode?
12:20.33arahaelor split files into 4GB chunks so they can go onto a fat32 drive.
12:21.14Steven_"split" command?
12:21.18arahaeland debian live is broken ;( (No uefi suppport)
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12:21.27arahaelSteven_: not on rescue mode.
12:21.35Steven_oh
12:21.44Steven_using dd then?
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12:21.48arunpyasiGuys, how to allow a normal user having root access to no need to enter sudo to get root access ?
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12:22.02centrxarunpyasi, What would they enter instead?
12:22.10arahaelSteven_: buybox's dd allows compression?
12:22.26arunpyasicentrx: like a username root
12:22.29Steven_arahael: I don't know any version of dd that allows compression
12:22.37arunpyasiwhere no need to enter sudo to get root access
12:22.41abrotmanarunpyasi: have them login as root
12:22.48choiceHello! On my debian 8 server, checkrestart always tells me "Found 1 processes using old versions of upgraded files: /usr/sbin/mysqld". Even after apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; any ideas why?
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12:23.10ChrisHchoice: restart mysql should fix it
12:23.24arahaelarunpyasi: give uid 0 a different name?  but root doesn't mean administrative privs. it means unfettered privs.
12:23.40choiceChrisH: i did. i even rebooted. it checkrestart keeps telling me mysqld is outdated.
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12:23.50arahaelSteven_: you suggested dd.  i rarely use dd these days.
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12:24.13arunpyasiI am unable to login as root user from the login screen\
12:24.16Steven_arahael: I thought you just wanted to split a big file
12:24.44arahaelSteven_: i want to split the windows partition into smaller files as a backup.
12:25.15Steven_yes
12:25.32Steven_you can use dd skip=1234 or so to skip some bytes
12:25.40arahaelSteven_: actually that's a great idea. i could count the blocks and skip.
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12:26.20ChrisHarahael: on what medid do you want to write to?
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12:26.36arahaelChrisH: he installation usb stick. :/
12:26.47arahaelChrisH: so i remount that.
12:27.24ChrisHarahael: didn't you talk about backup? USB Stick is no really reliable media
12:27.27choicewow, it might be a known bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748055
12:27.28juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/748055 in debian-goodies (closed, unreproducible): «debian-goodies: checkrestart false positive for MySQL»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-13; last modified: 2015-05-25.
12:28.06arahaelChrisH: i'll then put it onto magnetic media, but i need to get it out first.
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12:28.31arunpyasiGuys, how to loin to username root ?
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12:29.46bezabanarunpyasi: su -
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12:30.18arahaelarunpyasi: why do you need root so often anyway?
12:30.31centrxarunpyasi, Sounds like bad security practice
12:30.38arahaelarunpyasi: millions of windows and mac users are happy wihout.
12:30.41arunpyasiI need to login as root user !!
12:30.48ChrisHarahael: is network an option? stuff like dd if=/windows | gzip -c | ( ssh user@system cat > windowsbackup.img.gz)
12:30.56arunpyasiusing root mode.
12:30.59arunpyasiSOrry
12:31.04arunpyasifrom login screen
12:31.08arahaelChrisH: not until i update the kernel to 4,1, and add firmware.
12:31.11jellyarunpyasi: at the console?
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12:31.46arahaelChrisH: also, no ssh in rescue mode, weirdly.
12:31.53arunpyasinaa, in the gnome desktop
12:31.55arunpyasiGUI
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12:32.41ChrisHarahael: You are using a debian rescue image? OK, sometime other things fit better, like grml https://grml.org/
12:32.51jellyarunpyasi: gnome isn't meant to be run as root, as normal usre open a terminal and "su -" instead
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12:33.12arahaelChrisH: does that support 32-bit uefi boot?
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12:34.17arunpyasijelly: TBH, I am in KALI
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12:34.24arahaelChrisH: i already tried debian live but that doesn't even get to first stage boot.
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12:35.12luisbgI just installed debian, I have added "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" to my sources.list, and when I run 'apt-get update' I get 404 Not Found
12:35.20jelly!kali
12:35.20dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>.
12:35.21petn-randalldpkg: tell arunpyasi -about kali
12:35.25petn-randallmeh
12:35.50arunpyasilol
12:36.14luisbgbut http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz exists :(
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12:36.41arahaelChrisH: i'll check out alternatices.  g'night. :)
12:37.11petn-randallluisbg: Can you give us the *full* output? → http://paste.debian.net
12:37.45luisbgpetn-randall: sure, one second
12:37.51babilen(along with your sources.list)
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12:39.07luisbgpetn-randall: babilen: wait, it might be a networking issue
12:39.17babilenwaits
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12:44.16martinramehi, I cannot define a route to a 2nd ubuntu PC with two nics. My PC is in network 192.65.214.x, server's 1nst nic is 192.65.214.x, 2nd 192.168.0.x. I need to set the gw of my PC to 192.168.0.x, but I get SIOCADDRT. Is there a way to force internet traffic from my pc through the server?
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12:45.20martinrameBTW, I can ping from 192.65.214.x (my PC) to 192.168.0.20 (the server's 2nd nic)
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12:49.50ChrisHmartinrame: show us the netstat -rn  and the commands you tried incl. the error messages on paste.debian.net. Please all lsb_release -a
12:50.19hectortropeHello any one here uses cpu limit?
12:50.28petn-randall!anyone
12:50.28dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.  Instead, ask your real question.  (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)  See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:51.20martinrameChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/289013/
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12:51.53hectortropepetn-randall:  I am using cpulimit to limit the cpu % of a process and I am using cpulimit -e java -l 30
12:51.58hectortropecpulimit -e java -l 30
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12:52.30hectortropeto limit java command as in this paste http://pastebin.com/WFXws2ve
12:53.00hectortropebut unfortunatley its  limiting onlt one java process and others still crossing the limit
12:53.00ChrisHmartinrame: 1. LC_ALL=C and please send all details in one paste
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12:53.50Guest64076pls, help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11999869/
12:53.53centrxQOTD: <blistov> Debian 2.2.  Telnet to Debian machine.  I am connected to telnet, but am never presented a login prompt.  Anyone know why?  <jelly-home> telnetting to 1999 doesn't work
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12:54.29martinrameChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/289015/
12:55.14martinrameChrisH: I did a cat on /etc/network/interfaces to show the nic config of my PC, then a netstat -rn on it.
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12:56.25petn-randallhectortrope: That's expected. cpulimit doesn't control any forked child processes.
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12:56.58petn-randallhectortrope: Why don't you use nice to give it a lower priority as I suggested a few days ago?
12:57.29martinrameChrisH: Sorry, I added the server config: http://paste.debian.net/289018/
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12:58.04martinrameChrisH: what I want to do is to go outside from eth1 of the server.
12:58.51ChrisHmartinrame: lsb_release -a is missing and what kind of interface is p2p1 ?
12:58.59hectortropepetn-randall:  nice not at all working
12:59.07petn-randall!doesnt work
12:59.07dpkg"Doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
12:59.08Guest64076I have a problem with my internet key: here sind the details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11999869/ any hint?
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13:00.07hectortropeI use nice java 30
13:00.19martinrameChrisH: Is a Lan-On-Motherboard nic (I'm on Ubuntu 15.04).
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13:00.55petn-randallhectortrope: Did you look at the syntax of nice yet? It has a very short man page that describes it.
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13:01.13trewashectortrope: cgroups might be better choice for limiting thread-heavy programs, but that is bit more involved to configure
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13:01.51hectortropepetn-randall:  Yes but for me it gives
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13:02.10hectortropeMan: find all matching manual pages
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13:02.20hectortropeMan: What manua
13:02.39hectortropetrewas:  cgroups so confusing for me
13:03.20ChrisHmartinrame: I am sorry, but Ubuntu is not supported here.
13:03.22ChrisH!ubuntu
13:03.23dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian.  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:03.32c0fedoes Debian come with the Gecko engine already installed?
13:03.48Guest64076I have a problem with my internet key: here are the details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11999869/ any hint?
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13:03.54c0feif say I remove Firefox, will it still remain there or is there a package I have to download?
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13:04.11petn-randallhectortrope: 'man nice'
13:04.20martinrameChrisH: I know, but the network configuration is pretty similar, can't you give me a hint at least?
13:04.24hectortropepetn-randall: I got above results
13:04.36petn-randallhectortrope: Are you running Debian?
13:04.57martinrameChrisH: btw, I asked the same on the Ubuntu room, but is full of newbies...
13:04.58hectortropepetn-randall: Yes but in some servers different
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13:05.41petn-randallmartinrame: We don't support anything but Debian in this channel, even if your OS's channel is full of newbies.
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13:06.09martinrameOk, see you.
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13:06.24hectortropepetn-randall:  please tell me nice command to limit cpu limit
13:06.28petn-randallhectortrope: Try it on a Debian machine then.
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13:06.35hohlI'm using Debian for nearly any server, but some days ago I launched my first Debian 8 server (based on Digitalocean Debian Image). Quite happy with the new start scripts, even if most applications still use SystemV. However it seems like "iptables" package has some problems.
13:06.52hectortropehttp://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2014/11/04/restricting-process-cpu-usage-using-nice-cpulimit-and-cgroups  I am using it  and not working
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13:06.58hectortropepetn-randall:  I have debian also
13:07.11hectortropemy desktop is debian
13:07.14luisbgpetn-randall: babilen: It was a network issue indeed. Sorry
13:07.28hectortropebut I work on company servers those I can;t change
13:07.29hohlIt's about iptables 1.4.21 and it crashes with a modprobe error, I tried restarting and so on, however no success. (No config, just wanted to configure it and it was already broken.) Are there any known issues?
13:07.34luisbgbut not after a dist-upgrade (testing), I don't have GNOME starting after I boot
13:07.42luisbgis it related to the switch to gcc-5.0?
13:07.58petn-randallhectortrope: Sorry, I can't spoon feed you how to open a man page, let alone how to configure your server. If you don't know how to open a man page, you shouldn't be administering those servers.
13:08.23hectortropepetn-randall:  no
13:08.28hohlError message is: https://gist.github.com/hohl/579304a9b997e8e9f31a -- would really appreciate help
13:08.43hectortropepetn-randall:  may be you are correct ok
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13:10.30hectortropeonce I open manual its says nice option command arg
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13:12.59hectortropepetn-randall:  I opened the manual and not understanding anything
13:13.19luisbgoh! I see what happened, after 'apt-get dist-upgrade' it asked me to do 'auto-remove' and this had gdm3 in the list
13:13.28luisbgdpkg -l shows gdm3 as 'rc' :S
13:13.28dpkgii  shows gdm3 as 'rc' :S                 3.8-3.2           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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13:14.06luisbgno idea why apt wanted to remove gdm3 and other gnome things, is there a way to see the log of dpkg/apt to reinstall the removed packages?
13:14.15Guest64076I have a problem with my internet key: here sind the details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11999869/ any hint?
13:14.34petn-randallhectortrope: What part don't you understand?
13:14.43petn-randallhectortrope: Have you read the *complete* man page?
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13:15.33themillhectortrope: we've already been through this.
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13:16.11ChrisHGuest64076: did yopu install the usbmode-switch as I asked for?
13:16.16hectortropeit is saying changing files etc etc
13:16.41petn-randall*plonk*
13:16.52hectortropee ^E moving lines etc
13:17.05Guest64076ChrisH, yes, it was already installed
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13:18.12Guest64076ChrisH, as I said, usb_modeswitch is already installed but I don't know how to use it
13:18.42hectortropehttp://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/nice-invocation.html   this link I got in man
13:18.43petn-randallGuest64076: Which release are you running?
13:18.47ChrisHGuest64076: Then its expected to work. The stick does change the usb ids. lsusb wull show the difference. If the USB0 device is not there, use-mode switch did not mnodify the stick. The "magic" is done by udev while plugingin.
13:19.03Guest64076ChrisH, I'm running ubuntu
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13:19.06Guest64076ChrisH, 14
13:19.26ChrisHdpkg: tell Guest64076 about ubuntu
13:19.33Guest64076ok, sorry
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13:20.11ChrisHGuest64076: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/  is _the_ source for switching devices
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13:21.06ChrisHGuest64076: last statement, if you are running any graphical UI install Network Maanager (NM) and let NM handle the Stick.
13:21.08abrotmanhectortrope: are you asking about SuSE again?
13:21.15hectortropeoops nice doesn't allow me to set what ever cpu linit I allow instaed it will decreaase 10% ??
13:21.21hectortropeabrotman:  No
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13:21.30abrotmansure seems that way
13:21.56Guest64076ChrisH, of course I'd let NM handle the sick but it doesn't work
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13:22.44Guest64076ChrisH, how am I supposed to use usb_modeswitch? what is the syntax?
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13:35.52superstrawis there a way to ensure all users' ssh keys are passphrase protected?
13:36.10superstrawto enforce them using a passphrase?
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13:38.07phy1729nope
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13:40.42petn-randallsuperstraw: That's something that's entirely done on the client side. There's no way for the server to check how the ssh key itself is stored.
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13:41.52wallbrokenhow to install linux headers?
13:42.16superstrawthat's what I was suspecting.  Our security guy keeps saying we need to enforce users having passphrases on their keys, but my experience says that's not quite possible since they control it.
13:42.27superstrawhe is not a linux guy.
13:43.02wallbrokeni tried apt-get install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586
13:43.07wallbrokenbut i get an error
13:43.23wallbrokendependencies: linux-kbuild-3.16 but unable to install
13:43.28wallbrokenpackage damaged
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13:43.34format_cDonno if there is a way to combine or daisy chain password and key authentication
13:43.40roziewallbroken: testing/unstable?
13:43.49wallbrokenrozie, debian 8
13:44.29wallbrokenyou want to know which repositories are enabled?
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13:44.52rozienot really. instead I suggest using httpredir.debian.org
13:45.10roziechange sources list, then apt-get update, then try to install again
13:45.51wallbrokendeb gttp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian sid main
13:45.53wallbrokenis ok?
13:46.00rozieno
13:46.13themillwallbroken: not if you're wanting to run Debian 8
13:46.24rozieand there's type in http
13:46.39wallbrokenhow should i edit that line?
13:46.48rozieas I said, I recommend using httpredir.debian.org wherever possible
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13:47.19roziewallbroken: visit http://httpredir.debian.org/ read instruction
13:47.19themilldpkg: tell wallbroken about jessie sources.list
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13:49.04DinduksHi. I'm trying to install some .pcf fonts. I added them to ~/.fonts, ran fc-cache -fv (I see them in the list), but they're not listed in fc-list. How can I see where the problem comes from?
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13:52.42DinduksAlso tried making ~/.fonts a fontdir.
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13:58.33wallbrokenrozie, ok, solved, thank you
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14:01.55plovsrozie: httpredir - very nice! haven't used debian for a couple of years, this is really handy (especially whn travelling)
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14:06.48roziewallbroken: glad to hear that.
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14:07.15rozieplovs: it's possible to choose it on Jessie installer. IMVHO should be default choice
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14:19.36Dindukstutolato: maybe this can help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X230#Touchpad
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14:20.50tutolatoDinduks thanks, i will look into it
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14:21.15DinduksBut why use the trackpad when you have something as awesome as the TrackPoint? :)
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14:24.33tutolatohaha :p
14:25.01tutolatonot enough muscle memory that the trackpoint seems good xp
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14:26.36tutolatoDinduks i dont have the conf file
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14:28.55jim87hello! Is there a way to know the list of packages installed from a particular repository?
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14:33.48Dindukstutolato: create it
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15:04.35wallbrokendo you know MATE DE ?
15:04.39wallbrokenis fast as LXDE?
15:04.44wallbrokeni need it on a VM
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15:05.19centrxwallbroken, I don't know how it compares to LXDE, but mate should be faster than current Gnome and KDE
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15:06.33wallbrokenand is it customizable?
15:06.34wallbrokenfor example
15:06.35wallbrokeni don't like categories in "application"
15:06.35wallbrokeni want one only meny with all the stuff
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15:07.43wallbrokenwhy of kick?
15:07.57centrxwallbroken, automatic kick by the bot
15:08.03wallbrokeni haven't posted anything flooding
15:08.07centrxwallbroken, for sending too many lines quickly
15:08.26wallbrokenok, you answered to something while i was gone?
15:08.26centrxwallbroken, don't worry about it, but you can say more on one line without pressing enter
15:08.30centrx!enter
15:08.30kskjust install mate or google it, in linux kinda everything can be customized to your needs
15:08.30dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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15:08.50wallbrokenksk, i installed it
15:08.51centrxwallbroken, You can customize mate or any of the DE's to have different menus
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15:09.52wallbrokenis there some editor to do it?
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15:10.32centrxwallbroken, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19474421/mate-menu-is-not-configurable
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15:38.06no_gravitySometimes when I work on files on a directory mounted via sshfs, my debian machine goes into a state where no gnome program can open files from that directory anymore. Any ideas how to debug this? From the command line, I can still access those files.
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15:39.10no_gravityAlso accessing them via gnome program started as another user works fine.
15:39.19no_gravityJust my regular user cannot open them anymore.
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15:44.05greenmanHas anyone had problems with tomcat breaking after a dist-upgrade?
15:44.27greenmanI chose 'N' for replacing configs, but tomcat won't start
15:44.40greenmanjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest
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15:47.14veccioraI've installed my Debian from KDE live CD.
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15:47.35veccioraAnd I just noticed that lvm2 package is not included.
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15:49.04veccioraI have to install lvm2 from repo.
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15:50.11wallbrokenhow to give permissions to an user to access into a directory?
15:50.23wallbrokeni used from root: chmod +x /dir/
15:50.26wallbrokenbut not worked
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15:51.17xandwallbroken: that is correct, but they need +r to see the contents
15:51.23thepatze1@wallbroke sudo chown -R username:usergroup /path/to/directory
15:51.43veccioraIsn't lvm2 package is important?
15:51.47wallbrokenusergroup i don't know it
15:52.09thepatze1sudo groups username
15:52.22thepatze1should be users or sudo
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15:52.44valdynvecciora: its only important if you use lvm
15:53.02jhutchinsvecciora: I believe you can choose lvm in the installer if you want it, but at this point you would have to reformat your disk and reinstall to use it.
15:54.29veccioraI don't understand how could I choose lvm in the installer while there is no lvm2 package included?
15:54.33wallbrokenthepatze1, that command does not work
15:55.31veccioraI've installed Debian from live KDE and initially there wasn't lvm2 package.
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15:56.53veccioraBy the way I'm not using LVM.
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15:57.35veccioraNever tested the Debian live for LVM.
15:57.44veccioraI mean Debian live installer.
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15:59.17thepatze1@ wallbroken try usermod -a -G sudo <username>
15:59.52thepatze1@wallbroken then sudo chown -R <username>:sudo /path/to/directory
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16:02.13greenmanHas anyone had problems with tomcat breaking after a dist-upgrade?
16:02.16greenmanI chose 'N' for replacing configs, but tomcat won't start
16:02.19greenmanjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest
16:02.40centrxgreenman, testing/unstable?
16:02.42jhutchinsvecciora: My advice would be "don't worry about it".
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16:03.50ChrisHvecciora: you do not use LVM and complain it was not installed?
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16:04.19veccioraI'm not complaining. I'm just curious.
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16:04.34wallbrokenthepatze1, it does not work either
16:04.38wallbrokennevermind
16:04.57thepatze1@ wallbroke logout and back in
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16:06.30veccioraBecause I wanted to create a volume group for testing before, but then I found that there wasn't vgcreate command.
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16:07.34veccioraOkay. I'll test it now (want to see whether there is LVM option in the Debian live installer or not).
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16:22.39wallbrokeni restarted
16:22.45wallbrokenand nothing changed
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16:27.27jhutchinswallbroken: The only reason to restart Linux is to load a new kernel.
16:27.56Ast001Hello, I just installed Debian Jessie and google chrome but when I run google chrome window is not showing. Is there any solution for this ? It worked ok in Wheezy.
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16:28.11wallbrokenjhutchins, i have a problem
16:28.23wallbrokeni have a directory, and can't join in with the normal user
16:28.28wallbrokenit only works with root
16:29.09mtnwallbroken, what directory?
16:29.11jhutchins!de
16:29.11dpkgDeutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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16:29.55jhutchinswallbroken: Try this: ls -l <path>.  Paste the ONE LINE output and we'll explain it to you.
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16:31.19Ast001I can see google chrom right to activities in Jessie, when I click it I can just quit. there is no window of google chrome 44 in jessie with gnome.
16:31.45mtnAst001, you know you can install chromium from the repos, right?
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16:31.55Ast001i did it and had same problem
16:32.07Ast001when I start chromium there is no window
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16:32.10mtnAst001, remove your config directory for chromium.
16:32.12wallbrokenjhutchins: -rwxrwx--- 1 root vboxsf  3263 lug 20 18:56 dd.PNG
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16:32.24AbuKhadijaNorwejHola!
16:32.48Ast001rm -rf .config/chromium/  ?
16:33.10mtnAst001, that is what I would do. you can rename instead, if you wish
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16:33.25Ast001I did it but after start chromium won't show up just like google chrome
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16:33.45Ast001in console I can see: [2131:2131:0804/183311:ERROR:navigation_entry_screenshot_manager.cc(151)] Invalid entry with unique id: 1
16:33.47mtnAst001, make a new user and see how it is for that user
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16:34.34Ast001mts I have fresh installation of Jessie, I didn't mess up anything on system I can try that later.
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16:34.59jhutchinswallbroken: You should be able to access that directory if you are a member of vboxsf
16:35.05mtnAst001, I am pretty sure it is something in your config. I don't think chromium is broken
16:35.21Ast001ok I will try with new user.
16:35.23jhutchinswallbroken: As your regular user, use the "groups" command in a terminal to see if you are.
16:35.52jhutchinswallbroken: The owner is root, the group is vboxsf, and both owner and group members have full access, while other users have none.
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16:36.13wallbrokenso i need to add my user to vboxsf ?
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16:36.39thesebwhat is the diff between $A and ${A} ?
16:36.46thesebis it shell dependent?
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16:37.45profortheseb: the second one has protection against connection with next string
16:38.05thesebprofor:what do you mean?
16:38.20thesebprofor:do you mean
16:38.30thesebprofor:the *name* won't get mixed up with other chars?
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16:38.38thesebprofor:so besides that they mean the same?
16:38.39profortheseb: yes
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16:39.32profortheseb: try: A=abc; echo ${A}df; echo $adf
16:39.34AbuKhadijaNorwejI been away from Debian for a while. Need some advice on what Nvidia-drivers to use for my GTX660TI. I know google yes, it what thought me debian in the first place, but nothing beats the experience of IRC-users :)
16:39.53proforoops
16:40.08profortheseb: try: A=abc; echo ${A}df; echo $Adf
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16:40.24AbuKhadijaNorwejNow coming back 100% to linux hopefully due to DX11 support in CrossoverOffice and Wine :)
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16:40.48garyDavidHi!
16:41.25BrigoAbuKhadijaNorwej, did you try the jessie's one?
16:41.26jhutchinswallbroken: That would work.
16:41.30thesebprofor:yikes i see what you mean thanks
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16:41.37Brigo,v nvidia-driver
16:41.37juddPackage: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; stretch/non-free: 340.76-2; sid/non-free: 340.76-3; experimental/non-free: 352.21-2
16:41.44jhutchinswallbroken: I do that by sudo usermod -a -G vboxsf <user>
16:42.00jhutchinswallbroken: Actually, since I'm on debian, I just su - root, then do the usermod.
16:42.07jhutchinswallbroken: sudo is not set up by default.
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16:43.49wallbrokenjhutchins, done
16:44.04wallbrokennow can i copy files into it?
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16:44.11wallbrokenor i need additional permissions?
16:45.19wallbrokenfrom terminal it works
16:45.23wallbrokenfrom MATE DE
16:45.25wallbrokenit does not
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16:45.34wallbrokenand in MATE i'm logged with the same user
16:45.35wallbroken:\
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16:46.30dokmais mv safe for moving a filesystem to another machine via a usb stick that is too small to fit an entire filesystem?
16:47.01dokmaI'm moving an ntfs fs from a dead winxp laptop to win7 laptop with a live usb stick
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16:47.26Ast001I tried chromium as other user, but same thing happen, window is not showing after start.
16:47.28dokmaso I just planned to do a mv oldfs /stick and wait till it hits the capacity brickwall
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16:48.02Ast001It shows up near activites with just quit button and left among shortcuts, but no window at all.
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16:52.35AbuKhadijaNorwejtrying the non-free one now for Jessie. Thx
16:53.13mtnAst001, does it show using alt-tab?
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16:54.33Ast001mtn yes it shows but when I click it no window
16:54.58Ast001I can see pidgin, chromium and terminal and when I go to chromium and click nothing happens no window
16:55.04mtnAst001, very strange. maybe something to do with video drivers? all other apps work fine?
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16:55.20Ast001yes iceweasel works, other apps I tried work too
16:55.34Ast001just chrome and chromium are not working
16:55.41mtnAst001, sorry, no idea
16:56.40AbuKhadijaNorwejsee you guys in a few. reboot time :)
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17:00.37greenmanHas anyone had problems with tomcat breaking after a dist-upgrade?
17:00.40greenmanI chose 'N' for replacing configs, but tomcat won't start
17:00.43greenmanjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest
17:01.00wallbrokenMATE not alerted about permission changing, i needed to restart MATE to make it work
17:01.03mtngreenman, dist upgrade to what, from what?
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17:03.18greenmanoh yeah, um let me check a similar system to see what it's on.  I went from it to latest
17:03.33mtngreenman, what is "lastest"?
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17:07.14greenmanmtn: squeeze to jessie
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17:16.19jhutchinswallbroken: After you change the user, you need to log out and log back in.
17:16.33wallbrokenok
17:16.40jhutchinswallbroken: Sorry not be be respondign regularly, real world work.
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17:16.48jhutchins!mate
17:16.48dpkgThe MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports).  To install, ask me about <install mate>.  https://wiki.debian.org/Mate  http://mate-desktop.org/  #mate on chat.freenode.net.
17:16.50greenmanjhutchins: how dare you?!
17:16.56wallbrokenno problem
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17:17.00greenmanstay in here and help us, screw the real world!  ;)
17:17.09jhutchinsgreenman: Gotta pay for the bandwidth somehow.
17:17.24greenmanbandwidth shmandwidth
17:17.26greenman:D
17:17.31wallbrokenhttp://postimg.org/image/f67tlkxcx/
17:17.34wallbrokenwhy of this message?
17:17.43wallbrokeni can translate it
17:18.04greenmanI think your language is broken wallbroken that's the problem.  ;)
17:18.31wallbrokenclose this terminal? a process is still in running, Closing the terminal, the process will be dropped
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17:18.54Circuitsoftwallbroken: You have a shell inside a shell.
17:19.13CircuitsoftYou changed user to root (new shell) then changed user to wallbroken (another new shell). Type "exit" twice.
17:19.16greenmanyup
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17:19.30greenmanor you could just close the window if you're done with what you're doing.
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17:20.23wallbrokenok, maybe is better to use sudo?
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17:20.55CircuitsoftGenerally, yes.
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17:23.21Exagone313Hello, is there a dns server that uses root servers which allow fixed address for a specific subnet? I want my users through my VPN (192.168.42/24) to have my domain names resolved to 192.168.42.1 and the connections out of the VPN to have the correct IP address. Also I have thousands of domains to set to 0.0.0.0 for all users. Actually I use dnsmasq, no root server, and only for the VPN (and the server itself). Thanks for helping.
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17:23.57jhutchins!it
17:23.57dpkgCiao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano.  Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:24.16CircuitsoftExagone313: I'm pretty sure dnsmasq can do that.
17:24.57jhutchinswallbroken: Be very careful when you su to a regular user.  The correct syntax is su - <user>  If you don't use -, you will preserve the current user's (root's) path and environment.
17:25.10jhutchinswallbroken: su for root is special, they force the new environment.
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17:25.14Exagone313first, I don't find how to configure dnsmasq to use root servers
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17:25.41jhutchinswallbroken: You did something that tried to close the terminal window without logging out.  Exit or ctrl-D to log out.
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17:26.15jhutchinswallbroken: For that session, you would need to log out three times - as claudio, as root, and again as claudio (you're three shells deep).
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17:27.31CircuitsoftExagone313: server=8.8.8.8, server=8.8.4.4
17:27.44Exagone313this is not the root servers
17:27.49Exagone313as i am looking for
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17:27.56CircuitsoftNo, but you really don't want that. Trust me.
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17:28.08Exagone313yes I want to
17:28.11Exagone313...
17:28.12wallbrokenjhutchins, ok
17:28.16greycatExagone313: google for "DNS root servers" or ask in #dns
17:28.35CircuitsoftI can't imagine what you expect from running your own cacheing resolver. You'll get much faster access by using google dns (8.8.8.8)
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17:28.56Exagone313but i am looking for someone who did this with maybe bind, unbound, dnsmasq, I don't know
17:28.59jhutchinsExagone313: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596100575.do
17:29.00Circuitsoftping a.root-servers.net, b.root-servers.net, etc to get the root servers
17:29.10greycatExagone313: I've done it for djbdns.
17:29.18CircuitsoftI've done it with djbdns. It did not give me any advantages.
17:29.30jhutchinsExagone313: I think you are not designing this correctly because you don't understand how it works.
17:29.34Exagone313but try dig example.com @199.7.83.42
17:29.48jhutchinsExagone313: How do you have "thousands" of web sites if you don't have an experienced administrator?
17:30.09Exagone313I am curretnly the only one user in my VPN and my server
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17:31.04jhutchinsExagone313: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html
17:31.04CircuitsoftExagone313: I have personally run a cacheing resolver (which is what you need if you're using root DNS servers) and I got absolutely no benefit from doing so.
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17:31.38jhutchinsCircuitsoft: The good thing about a caching server is you can address your local hosts.
17:31.41CircuitsoftIf you can't clearly and concisely explain why you need a local cacheing/recursive resolver, then you don't need one.
17:31.48Circuitsoftyou don't need to.
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17:32.02Exagone313I found a tutorial for unbound, to use root servers and dns caching, but I want to have false fixed address for a specific subnet
17:32.13Exagone313I just mis that part
17:32.17Circuitsoftdnsmasq can respond to some hosts on its own and forward the rest of requests to google dns very easily.
17:32.30Exagone313I do it actually
17:32.31jhutchinswallbroken: You can also just close the window - the running process it's telling you about is the multiple bash shells.
17:32.38Exagone313Only for my VPN
17:32.44Exagone313like I wrote
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17:33.10jhutchinsExagone313: Use bind.  Follow the howto at tldp.  Bind is much better documented than unbound or even dnsmasq.
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17:33.56Exagone313jhutchins: is it possible to have some configurations for a specific subnet?
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17:35.21jhutchinsExagone313: That is not a valid question.
17:35.23CircuitsoftIt's much easier (in my opinion) to run another DNS server on a different port, and use iptables rules to forward DNS requests from a subnet to a different port from the other DNS server.
17:35.46Exagone313ok
17:35.59Circuitsoftjhutchins: He wants different answers to vpn queries than to regular user queries.
17:36.11CircuitsoftHowever, the only reason I can think of for that involves VPN misconfiguration.
17:36.25Exagone313maybe I don't know something
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17:38.13CircuitsoftI would expect DNS to resolve your hostname to your server's Internal IP address, so as to shorten routing paths for everyone inside the network.
17:38.43CircuitsoftThe VPN should be setting routes such that the regular internal IP address for anything should route over the VPN for each client, such that they don't need a different destination IP for that name.
17:38.54Exagone313Yes, I don't need the part to have different DNS replies for my VPN
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17:38.58Exagone313sorry
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17:39.42DexterFhi
17:40.02DexterFanyone knwo why this disk won't reallocate unreadable sectors on its own? http://pastebin.com/Q93r1NcE
17:40.16CircuitsoftSo, your DNS server should always respond with the internal IP address of your server, because you shouldn't be getting DNS requests for the outside address.
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17:40.26DexterF24/7 samsung sata disk, has done 34000h
17:40.43CircuitsoftDexterF: It could have run out of spare sectors...
17:41.20DexterFCircuitsoft: smartctl -a says it did not realloc at all. I don't know how to interpret the readings
17:41.33CircuitsoftPost the output to another paste.
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17:42.57trewasDexterF: drive cannot silently reallocate a sector if there is a read error, because that would cause silent dataloss... sectors are reallocated only when the drive notices a problem when writing
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17:43.41CircuitsoftHave you been noticing performance problems? Read errors generally stall while the drive tries really hard to recover the data.
17:43.45DexterFtrewas: so backup everything, run a write test on the drive, see what happens?
17:43.48Exagone313Circuitsoft: The connections to the server's public IP address through the VPN do not get out the server?
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17:44.19CircuitsoftExagone313: You should always return the private address of the server.
17:44.27Exagone313?
17:44.49CircuitsoftBecause anyone who accesses your DNS server will be coming from the inside.
17:44.53DexterFCircuitsoft: can't really tell: it's the OS disk of my media center and on top DVR storage, so it never really has to write a lot MB/s. DVB video trickles in at 12Mbit/s tops
17:45.00Exagone313Circuitsoft: no
17:45.05CircuitsoftYou should have a separate DNS server (if one at all) for external requests.
17:46.12Exagone313why?
17:46.16trewasDexterF: if you know which file causes that read error then overwriting only it might be a quick "solution", but backup and replacing the drive is the best solution
17:46.17jhutchinsExagone313: You're trying to have your web sites resolve to your server from outside?
17:46.27Exagone313both inside and outside
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17:47.07CircuitsoftFirst: Why are you running your own DNS?
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17:47.17Exagone313why not?
17:47.20CircuitsoftSecond: Why would you even think of combining them into one?
17:47.27jhutchinsExagone313: For inside you have your dnsmasq.  For outside, the root DNS servers have to point the domains at your DNS server.  Usually it's easier to use the DNS servers of your registrar.
17:47.39Exagone313this second I don't know exactly the pros and cons ^^
17:47.39DexterFtrewas: I'm afraid it's the virtual disk container.. that's the one other thin it does, store a VM. which kept crashing over the last couple days. backup/replace time.
17:47.47CircuitsoftWhy not? Because DNS fully expects you to be reliably accessible, ieven if your sebsite is not.
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17:48.03DexterFcan someone recommend a 24/7 enterprise sata drive?
17:48.07Circuitsoft*website
17:48.17CircuitsoftIf the drive has Enterprise in the name, it's probably fine.
17:48.46jhutchinsExagone313: For serious networks you need two DNS servers on different physical networks.
17:49.33CircuitsoftI just got a bunch of WD6001FSYZ - They're good so far.
17:49.44Exagone313actually I don't think lot's of clients will come listen to my dns server (how they can trust me)
17:49.55greycat... what.
17:50.02Exagone313it's for my own use
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17:50.20CircuitsoftExagone313: Exactly. Don't use your own DNS for outside. Use your registrar's DNS service. The worst registrar will still have better DNS than you can provide.
17:51.07jhutchinsExagone313: People would be referred to your DNS server(s) by the root servers.
17:51.09Exagone313how can I know what are the default DNS servers for my conenction?
17:51.21_spt_Hi, whats the best way to install code::blocks on Debian 8. I would like to learn some C/C++
17:51.22CircuitsoftDHCP.
17:51.31Exagone313I don't want to use this DNS servers for my domains
17:51.35Exagone313server*
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17:52.12greycatExagone313: stick a dumb DHCP client on your provider's network and see what nameservers your provider's DHCP server tells it to use.
17:52.23jhutchinsExagone313: Here, try this: http://www.verisigninc.com/en_US/domain-names/online/how-dns-works/index.xhtml
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17:53.13Circuitsoft_spt_: Try codelite - It's in debian repos already, and is very similar to codeblocks, but with a better source browser/lexer.
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17:53.42jhutchinsExagone313: For domains you have registered, the default DNS servers are either blank or the company who you registered with.
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17:54.01jhutchinsExagone313: It's by domain name, not by connection.
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17:54.10BW^-I want to make an encrypted boot, also of the /boot partition. any advice?
17:54.20greycatI gave an answer to his literal question, which may not be his real question.
17:54.30greycatHis questions are kinda... all over the place.
17:54.48Exagone313actually I use dns.he.net for my dns domaine name server
17:54.50jhutchinsExagone313: DNS asks the .com server "who knows where <domain>.com is", the .com server points to the correct DNS server.
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17:54.54Exagone313domain*
17:54.55greycatBW^-: the firmware has to be able to read the unencrypted kernel.
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17:55.13Exagone313I know how dns work, not all of it, maybe, but...
17:55.27CircuitsoftBW^-: If you want to be able to boot, you can't do that.
17:55.27_spt_Circuitsoft: thanks
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17:55.46Exagone313I used dig many days, I know how to contact root servers (and follow LS requests)
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17:55.47greycatExagone313: are you talking about an authoritative server to tell the world the addresses of the hosts in a domain that you registered, or are you talking about a recursive resolver for your hosts to use to find out the rest of the world?
17:55.48Exagone313NS
17:55.52CircuitsoftBW^-: Unless you have a TPM module, and can use that to decrypt your boot partition for whatever bootloader you use.
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17:56.07BW^-greycat: but the boot program.. LILO or what its name is, supports encryption on ??
17:56.14Exagone313the second
17:56.20BW^-circuitsoft,greycat: no TPM!
17:56.36jhutchinsExagone313: For most users behind a NAT firewall, you will receive a request on the firewall and forward it to your internal webserver.
17:56.41CircuitsoftBW^-: Then you can't encrypt your boot partition.
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17:57.12Exagone313my server is a dedicated server, when i do ifconfig, inet addr is my public IP address
17:57.18Exagone313(by DHCP)
17:57.26jhutchinsExagone313: If you need to forward to different internal servers, you usually do it by usng different ports on the external connection of the firewall.  (Doing it by hostname is harder.)
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17:57.59Exagone313by hostname is I think not possible, or at least by reverse dns
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17:58.09BW^-aha
17:58.10BW^-ok
17:58.23CircuitsoftExagone313: That's fine, but you should still use your provider's DNS, and you can do forwarding by hostname, by using something like Pound.
17:58.26BW^-circuitsoft: mounting /boot as readonly is fine right?
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17:58.31BW^-so at least i can check the MD5 remains constant
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17:58.47CircuitsoftBW^-: Yes, you just need to remount read-write when updating kernel or initramfs.
17:58.53BW^-ok
17:58.55Exagone313I can't use another server in the same network of my server to get the default DNS server
17:59.09Exagone313I disable dnsmasq and I reboot?
17:59.26Exagone313(stop networking fails on my server)
17:59.51Exagone313Or I can use the rescue mode
18:00.06jhutchinsExagone313: Your provider should be including their DNS servers in the DHCP response, the resolvconf program should be updating /etc/resolv.conf with those servers.  If not, they should have documentation on line that says what their servers are, or you can use public servers like google's 8.8.8.8
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18:00.36jhutchinsExagone313: You can stop just the dnsmasq service.
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18:01.25Exagone313ok it appareared
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18:37.49MossyfunkIs aspell the default package used for dictionary word lists used in spell checking such as while using libreoffice? I'm going out of my mind trying to get it to work for English other than American english, specifically Australian but British would do. There appears to be only one aspell-en package and I have that installed.
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18:39.54centrxMossyfunk, Yeah aspell is the default
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18:44.01jhutchinsMossyfunk: Setting your locale should take care of that.
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18:44.46KarlAnalHey guys! Could anyone help me installing drivers for my GPU? =)
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18:46.35Mossyfunkjhutchins, thanks. I just realised that i needed to install myspell dictionary which is used by libreoffice. Feel silly now haha. That's what you get trying to write an essay at 4:46am
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18:49.33BW^-do you know of any graphics acceleration for KVM, *apart* from PCI-passthrough? (I need multiple guests simultaneously, while having good video and web acceleration in them)
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18:49.57greycatKarlAnal: which graphics device is it?  lspci -nn | grep VGA
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18:53.44BW^-guys, VirtualBox is *stable* on Debian and on Linux overall, right?
18:53.48greenmanHas anyone had problems with tomcat breaking after a dist-upgrade?
18:53.50centrxBW^-, Yes, definitely
18:53.51BW^-including graphics acceleration of a Windows guest
18:53.53greenmanI chose 'N' for replacing configs, but tomcat won't start
18:53.56BW^-centrx: sure-sure?
18:53.59greenmanjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/servlet/http/HttpServletRequest
18:54.06centrxBW^-, Well I don't know about graphics acceleration, but Windows guests, yes
18:54.13centrxBW^-, Why do you ask?
18:54.24BW^-centrx:  I want to have a Windows guest on my Linux host on a lapto
18:54.25BW^-centrx: p
18:54.29BW^-centrx: and I want good video from the guest
18:54.32BW^-centrx: and fine performance
18:54.38BW^-centrx: so that's what I will get+
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18:55.12centrxBW^-, Yes. You can adjust the CPUs and RAM dedicated to the VM as well
18:55.17centrxCPUs/cores
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18:58.14larksI want to set up a NAT with dhcp,  in /etc/network/interfaces where   eth0 (dchp) == eth1 (NAT dhcp server) == switch,  so if the eth1 interface is at 172.16.1.1, then teh gatewate woulld be 172.16.1.1 for that interface... right?
18:58.46greycatYou lost me at eth0 == eth1.
18:59.11BW^-centrx: how's the graphics consumption
18:59.12BW^-?
18:59.13BW^-sorry
18:59.14BW^-battery
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18:59.24BW^-centrx: how's the battery consumption?
18:59.36larkseth0 dhcp outside <-> eth1 dhcp server inside <-> switch
18:59.42centrxBW^-, I don't know, my laptop is always plugged in
18:59.54larksshouldn't have used ==
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19:00.02BW^-mhm..
19:00.04BW^-well I can try at least.
19:00.15centrxBW^-, I think if you have the Windows installation following its power saving principles, it will use less CPU and so save power
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19:09.10BW^-is there any max-8GB-size installer ISO that is such that it installs enough of the system for me to reboot and get the firmware? =)
19:09.14BW^-the wifi firmware
19:09.23BW^-it's a hassle to make the wifi firmware run in the installer i think
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19:21.15Skyekk22sooo i'm doing some of my first experimentations with sysv-rc-conf (oh noess). So i get the basics of all the numbers (I think of them as layers or levels?) And i get that 5 is the very top level. What i don't get is the S flag
19:21.30Skyekk22;d hoping one of you guys can explain in rookie language :D
19:21.33greycatSkyekk22: you're about 5 years too late.
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19:21.43Skyekk22greycat: Awe :(
19:21.57greycatI would rather spend my time learning systemd than that old nonsense.
19:22.21greycatUnless you plan to administer a bunch of commercial Unix servers.
19:22.34Skyekk22greycat: Oh? I'm relatively new to Linux, so I'd really like to save some future time
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19:22.45Skyekk22greycat: Nooo, I'll most likely be stuck in my sad windows environment as far as work goes
19:22.58Skyekk22greycat: I just use linux for my personal machines/servers
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19:23.45abrotmanSkyekk22: learn how systemd works
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19:24.18Skyekk22abrotman: Is sysv-rc-conf a front-end to systemd or something?
19:24.30TheCreepergreycat: sysvinit is old nonsense? lel
19:24.36greycatTheCreeper: yes.
19:24.39abrotmandpkg: tell Skyekk22 about systemd
19:24.40Skyekk22abrotman: I just figured sysv-rc-conf was a good was to manage services
19:25.13greycat"manage services"?  gack, no.  you just run "systemctl this or that" or even "/etc/init.d/foo this or that" or "svc foo this or that"
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19:25.33greycatinsert a foo somewhere in there
19:25.50Skyekk22greycat: i know about the init.d/ scripts. I didn't mean literally managing as in restart/stop/starting
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19:26.21Skyekk22greycat: I meant more in terms of perm disabling until further notice kinda thing and just giving you a list of all services.
19:26.29greycatYou mean creating new services?  Learn systemd instead of making obsolete crap that will stop working eventually.
19:26.29plovsSkyekk22: a nice overview of systemd: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal
19:26.44greycatSkyekk22: Oh, you DID mean managing.
19:26.47greycatSkyekk22: man systemctl
19:26.50Skyekk22plovs: Thank you
19:27.05Skyekk22greycat: omg
19:27.21Skyekk22greycat: *facepalm #confusion #didIreallyjusthashtag
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19:30.23Skyekk22Okay, so everyone agrees that sysv-rc-conf should be uninstalled since it's outdated softwarez that will eventually do more harm than good :D
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19:31.14plovsSkyekk22: yes! (helpful command: sudo rm -rf /)
19:31.32RoyKplovs: do NOT post those things
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19:32.24abrotmanplovs: Please don't do that here, even in jest.  Take a timeout
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19:32.34Skyekk22plovs: I just ran that command wtf is happening
19:32.40Skyekk22plovs: joking
19:32.44Skyekk22kidding guys :D
19:32.58abrotmandoesn't matter, it's not a joke
19:33.01Skyekk22Thank you guys <3 really appreciate it
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19:33.17ChunkzZAre we allowed to talk about the pi 2 here?
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19:36.28petn-randallChunkzZ: If it's running raspbian, there's a different channel for that.
19:36.33petn-randall!raspbian
19:36.33dpkgRaspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>.  Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.  Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.   http://www.raspbian.org/
19:36.54ChunkzZThanks.
19:37.08ChunkzZI'm running osmc though.
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19:52.05Sras_dI'm trying to mount a sata hard disk through a USB but I get the following error:
19:52.08Sras_dusb 2-1: reset high-speed USB device number 20 using xhci_hcd
19:52.13Sras_dxhci_hcd 0000:04:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep
19:52.30Sras_dIf I do a lsusb I see that the usb is recognized: Bus 002 Device 020: ID 059f:1010 LaCie, Ltd Desktop Hard Drive
19:52.37Sras_dany ideas to mount it ?
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19:54.02squintymaybe try using the program Disks -> mounting options
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19:55.28Sras_dok I'm gonna try it
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20:23.09squintyhttps://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal   states systemctl contains an editing function, yet "Unknown operation 'edit'" is displayed when trying to use it.  grepping man systmctl doesn't show it either.  has debian removed this function?
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20:38.02BW^-uh oh, "firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso" fails boot with "initramfs unpacking failed uncompression error". hm.
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20:38.25AfterDarkBW^- It sounds like there's an uncompression error. You should fix that.
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20:39.50BW^-hm
20:39.59babilenHow'd you write it?
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20:46.44BW^-babilien,afterdark: I used "win32 disk imager" as recommended by Debian. It didn't solve it!
20:46.47BW^-also tried second time
20:46.47BW^-hmmm
20:46.55Phyksdoes anyone know where I can find the default php.ini file?
20:46.56BW^-so it loads the kernel but fails loading teh USB ..
20:46.57BW^-hmm
20:47.05BW^-phyks: "find / | grep php.ini" ?
20:47.14Phyksno, in packages
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20:47.19Phyksnot able to find it in any package
20:47.23Phyksand I deleted it by mistake
20:47.32BW^-phyks: purge and reinstall php?
20:47.39BW^-or just extract it from the php package tarball
20:47.40Phyksand seems that the standard solution is a --purge + reinstall which basically means reinstalling *everything* on this machine
20:47.48BW^-no
20:47.59Phyks(everything depends on php5 on my machine)
20:48.02greycatpurge + reinstall just the php package, not the whole OS
20:48.14greycatpurge with --force-depends so everything else stays
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20:49.09babilendpkg: tell Phyks about confmiss
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20:49.24Phyksbabilen: already tryed it without success
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20:50.19Phyksbabilen: “Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/fpm/php.ini”
20:50.33babilenPhyks: When you do what?
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20:50.46Phyksgreycat: just at the moment
20:50.49Phyksoups
20:50.52Phykswrong hl
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20:51.29Phyksgreycat: does not seem to recognize --force-depends, I think I missed something
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20:51.45babilenWhich command are you running?
20:51.54BW^-pbabilien,afterdark: any idea how prepare the USB device properly?
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20:52.20Phyksbabilen: the one from dpkg help for the confmiss, and apt-get purge --force-depends php5-fpm for the force-depends
20:52.28babilenBW^-: That should have worked, you might want to check that your download isn't corrupted
20:52.41babilenPhyks: Where does it mention --force-depends ?
20:52.45babilendpkg: confmiss
20:52.45dpkgYou have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted.  "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details).  If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
20:52.58Phyksbabilen: not here, see comment from greycat above
20:53.15greycat--force-depends is for the "purge one package so you can reinstall it" approach
20:53.18babilenWell, I'm obviously not greycat  :)
20:53.26greycathe complained that if he purged php5, it would remove other things
20:53.34Phyksbabilen: I did aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall php5-fpm
20:53.41babilengood
20:53.48Phyks(without success)
20:53.55babilenless so
20:54.13babilenDoes "ucfq php5-fpm" list the configuration file?
20:54.26Phyksyep
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20:55.48babilendpkg: ucf confmiss
20:55.48dpkgIf you need to restore a deleted config file in a package that is using <ucf> to manage its configuration files, use "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall $packagename".  List the configuration files managed by ucf with "ucfq $packagename".  If the package doesn't use ucf then ask me about <confmiss>.
20:55.58babilenpesky little bugger
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20:56.28Phyksthanks
20:56.36Phyksit worked
20:56.38Phykswhat is ucf?
20:56.54babilenuncontrollable coughing fit
20:56.56greycat/msg dpkg ucf
20:57.07greycatThis is all new to me.
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20:58.15ryoumais it the case that cff controls some packages but not others?  there seems to be an inconsistency.
20:58.18ryoumaucf*
20:58.50babilenThat is indeed the case
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20:59.57ryoumais there an intention to make that consistent?
21:00.21BW^-ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:00.34BW^-babilien,afterdark: okay I got it: You need to boot the USB off in UEFI mode!
21:00.47BW^-if the system BIOS tries to boot off the legacy/bios MBR , it fails.
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21:01.12greycatI've had *so* many installation issues with UEFI vs BIOS mode booting.
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21:02.42babilenWe should finally come up with computers that just work
21:02.57greycatThe bad part is, usually my issues come at the very END of a long installation, when everything has been written to the hard disk, and it's time to reboot, and... it just won't boot from the hard disk.  There's no recovery at that point.  I have to start all over.
21:03.17ryoumajust wondering if there is a reason for it or if it is a work in progress
21:03.40babilenryouma: The reason is $legacy
21:04.07greycatAny change that requires every Debian developer to change every package is going to take ages.
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21:04.40babilenryouma: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/RoadMap might be of interest
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21:15.49thufirhi, is all I need to do to secure the default apache install in debian 8.1 nothing? ie, ~userdirs and such are disabled, only the /var/www/html directory is served?
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21:17.36BW^-greycat: no joke?
21:19.12thufirDoes this setup look secure? I am familiar with apache, but kinda new to debian, so just wondering if there is any gotchas with the default install: http://162.252.242.77:8000/morphis.git
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21:26.03thufirmaybe i should ask that in #hackers and guage the response by how long the box stays up
21:26.19thufir:)
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21:35.39BW^-to encrypt disk, you use the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM", or the "Manual", installer option?
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21:37.56wallbrokenalso using "sudo su", when closing the terminal windows, it is asking me for confirmation :\
21:38.47somiajwallbroken: I don't follow what you mean. are you closing a window but typing 'sudo su' ?
21:39.08wallbrokenopen the terminal windows
21:39.16wallbrokentype "sudo su"
21:39.21wallbrokento get root access
21:39.28wallbrokenthen, after finishing all my stuff
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21:39.36wallbrokeni simply click close on terminal window
21:39.43wallbrokenbut it asks me for confirmation
21:39.46wallbrokenis very boring
21:40.30somiajwallbroken: this is going to be a factor of the actual close button in the window manger/de it uses. Does it do the same thing if you close a terminal window that you haven't ran sudo su in?
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21:40.42somiajI personally use Ctrl-D or 'exit' to close my terminal windows
21:40.49wallbrokenno
21:40.54somiajbut if you did a sudo su, you'll have to hit ctrl-D twice.
21:40.59somiajwhat terminal window are you using?
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21:41.07wallbrokenif haven't run su, it closes directly
21:41.16wallbrokenterminale used in MATE
21:41.20somiaji.e. gnome-terminal, xterm, etc
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21:41.42somiajit is probably something to do with how gnome-terminal interacts with gnome.
21:41.42wallbrokenhow to know it?
21:41.58somiajI think the default terminal in mate would be gnome-terminal.
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21:42.25valdynwallbroken: run "dconf-editor"
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21:42.44wallbrokenDONE
21:42.52wallbrokensomiaj:
21:42.54wallbroken[19:18] <Circuitsoft> wallbroken: You have a shell inside a shell.
21:42.54wallbroken[19:19] <Circuitsoft> You changed user to root (new shell) then changed user to wallbroken (another new shell). Type "exit" twice.
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21:43.41valdynwallbroken: in org/gnome/terminal/legacy theres a "confirm-close" toggle
21:44.08wallbrokenvaldyn, i don't use gnome
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21:44.11wallbrokeni use MATE
21:44.14somiajcorrect, if you want to exit the shell (or just hit Ctrl-D) you would have to exit two shells (i.e. enter exit twice or ctrl-D twice). But when closing a window there is a nice way and a distructive way to close a window. Nice is the default, and as valdyn is pointing out there is an option to tell gnome-terminal to ask for conformation or not.
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21:44.20somiajwallbroken: mate is gnome
21:44.35somiajwallbroken: just an older version of gnome that is a fork, but it really is gnome
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21:44.38wallbrokenbut in dconf-menu they are separate
21:44.55wallbrokenthere is gnome, and there is mate
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21:45.46somiajwallbroken: mate is a fork of gnome with very little changes. So it is a snapshot of gnome from the past. Most of the config options and such are probably still under gnome locations.
21:46.05valdynwallbroken: i dont really care that you dont understand the technical details - just do what i said to solve your "problem"
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21:46.26wallbrokeni found the field
21:46.35wallbrokenand it was in org/mate/termina/global
21:46.44valdynwallbroken: that may be
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21:47.09valdynwallbroken: i had to restart the terminal (and in case of gnome-terminal thats is the "gnome-terminal-server") for the setting to take effect
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21:48.13wallbrokenis there some way to get a very basic installation of ubuntu? only kernel, gnu tool, boot loader, make, gcc, and a window manager with a file manager?
21:48.39wallbrokeni don't need extra stuff like "Galculator" "XTerm"
21:48.58wallbrokenoh, i forgot a package manager, atp
21:49.02wallbroken*apt
21:49.39somiajwallbroken: this is #debian, if you want to ask about ubuntu, use their support.
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21:50.04wallbrokenubuntu? who cares about ubuntu?
21:50.13wallbrokenops
21:50.20wallbrokenthat was an error
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21:50.26wallbrokenit was *debian
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21:51.24somiajwallbroken: the way to get a basic install of debian is to install a minimial or base system (this is run the installer and don't install any additional pacakges using tasksel at the end, this means don't install any desktop enviorment)
21:52.00somiajwallbroken: once you have a very minimial base install then only install the software you want to use. Note that this will pull in any dependencies which must be installed and recomended packages which should be installed
21:52.24wallbrokensomiaj, is what i've done
21:52.35somiajwallbroken: once you choose to install a full desktop (such as mate) you get all the stuff that is included in a full desktop. Usually if you want to do a minimial install people go the route of a simple window manager and configure their own desktop installing only the software they want to use.
21:52.47wallbrokeni used netinstaller, and selected only base system utility, plus MATE
21:52.55somiajwallbroken: the issue is installing a desktop, a desktop is a 'large collection of packages'.
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21:53.08wallbrokenoh ok
21:53.08somiajyea mate will install a lot of stuff, including stuff you may not want because that is what a full desktop is
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21:53.30somiajyou can remove the packages you don't want (may have to mess with some manual install flags) and not have the full mate desktop, but still enough of mate to use to your liking.
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21:54.19somiajalso note the mate task is different than the mate dekstop meta packages. The mate task will install other things people may commenly want in a desktop such as libreoffice, etc.
21:54.21wallbrokento do this, i need to install MATE not with netinstaller ?
21:54.53somiajwallbroken: I'm unsure about mate specificly, but there is a core meta-package for mate that will get mate working that won't install the extra stuff that comes with the mate task.
21:54.58wallbrokenyes i know, i removed them all
21:55.43somiajso yea you will get less stuff isntalled if you use core meta-packages and install with apt after the install instead of using the task. Note tasks are designed to include software that most people would want, which of course means it won't fit any one persons idea of what is needed.
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21:56.16wallbrokensomebody told me that a DE is a composition of a window manager, and some other stuff, i could install directly only the window manager
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21:57.50somiajwallbroken: the window manager and configuration tools are more integrated in a desktop so you won't be able to just install the 'mate windowmager' as you need the whole desktop
21:58.12somiajwallbroken: but that was my suggestion is that many would just use a minimial window manager (such as openbox, fvwm, fluxbox, etc) and then install only the software they want on top of the window manager.
21:58.36somiajin this case you are configuring your own desktop, but also loose a lot of common configuration tools and integration that would be included in a full desktop
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21:59.01wallbrokenso, you suggest me to reinstall debian with only base utility system
21:59.07wallbrokenthen install a window manager
21:59.41somiajwallbroken: I am only explaining how to get a more minimial system. I am unsure of your use case so unsure if a full desktop that everythign is already integrated or bulding up and installing the tools you want is the what you would prefer.
21:59.44wallbrokenthen install the file manager, the terminal and some other things...
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22:00.25somiajwallbroken: I suggest you use what ever you find best. Usually hard drive space is cheap and easy to get so I would not worry if you have 'extra stuff installed that you are not using'
22:00.45kaliyw/in 8
22:01.12wallbrokeni want something very very light, just because is a Virtual Machine without Vx-T, and i just want a DE due to use mutliple terminal windows, wireshark GUI, and a file manager
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22:01.54somiajwallbroken: note you will probabaly want to use xterm over gnome-terminal in the light setup as gnome-terminal will also need a lot of gnome (or mate) stuff to work
22:02.14somiajwallbroken: but yes, a simple window manager + xterm + wireshark + some file manager would work nice
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22:02.35wallbrokenwhich window manager could be the best in my case?
22:02.36somiajagain here you would probabaly want to pick a file manager that is not part of a desktop and would thus include a lot of the desktop tools just to run
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22:06.53wallbrokensomiaj
22:06.59wallbrokenhttp://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
22:07.04somiajwallbroken: I use fvwm, but it requres a lot of time to configure. openbox is very popular so I would suggest that as a starting point. fluxbox is another one that some people like.
22:07.05wallbrokenif you look into "debian" section
22:07.12grineedo I need to install drivers to get the MultiBlue dongle to be recognized?
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22:07.18wallbrokenThis will install the base packages required for a minimal MATE desktop
22:07.18wallbrokensudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core
22:07.22fcp15and virtualbox installed :P
22:07.26fcp15hia
22:07.27wallbrokenthis could be for my case?
22:07.37somiajwallbroken: correct, but a desktop will be less lightweight than a window manager
22:07.37r6kufluxbox comes with its own panel, just found out about it the other day :)
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22:08.01somiajwallbroken: but if that is what you want (i.e. less configuration time and more gui tools) installing the core meta package would install less stuff than the mate task in the installer.
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22:08.23wallbrokenok
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22:08.47wallbrokensomiaj, but now, i forcely need to reinstall the OS?
22:09.03somiajgrinee: you will have to give us more info to look it up. What type of device is this (pci or usb), lets find the chipset. Drivers are usually included in the kernel, so if something is supported you rarely have to install a driver.
22:09.05wallbrokenor i can remove the actual MATE and install the new minimal package
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22:09.33somiajwallbroken: in your case since you are running mate I doubt you can get it much lighter if you reinstall the os using that core package or keep what you have installed
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22:09.59somiajwallbroken: mate due to being gnome (an integrated desktop) will just take more resources than a light wight wm.
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22:10.31somiajwallbroken: I would just remove the tools you don't need. Though as I said I doubt it is the hd space that is the problem, but the memeory foot print and cpu ussage which I doubt will change much if you use the core meta package over the task.
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22:10.58somiajwallbroken: I bet if you look you will see you have the minimial core package already installed (pluss other stuff)
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22:11.00wallbrokensomiaj, i firstly tried LXDE, but it was not too much fast, and i didn't like the graphic
22:11.21grineesomiaj usb
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22:11.25grinee"MultiBlue Dongle"
22:11.33somiajyea if you didn't like lxde you may not like a simple window manager (note many are very configurable but there is a large time commentment to configure it to your liking)
22:11.33grineeit shows up in lsusb but there is no description
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22:12.07somiajgrinee: I would go with it is not supported, but lets go a google search. Can you get the usb ID of the device from lsusb (might need o include a -v flag)
22:13.04grineevendorid or productid?
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22:13.23grineeit is also listed as a "Smart BKM Switch"
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22:13.47allurehey guys.. what are you guys using as a substitute for those samba servers for small companies (+-15 people)?
22:13.59somiajgrinee: usually you want both vendorid:productID, look up support for linux for the device. If linux supports it, figure out what kernel version has the drivers you need.
22:14.02allureThey have about 250GB of files in there...
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22:14.22somiajallure: are you wanting another way to share files that isn't samba?
22:14.33grineeok
22:14.34somiajallure: are you sharign with windows machines? Why is samba not working for you?
22:14.38wallbrokensomiaj, now i try mate basic package, and i will tell you if is faster
22:14.57alluresomiaj: yes, samba is on premises right now and they want to migrate for a rented dedicated server on a cloud provider
22:15.29grinee1d54:b002 somiaj
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22:15.41grineeits listed as mass storage, I suppose because it has drivers on the stick for windows/mac
22:15.46grineenot drivers, but software rather
22:15.47somiajwallbroken: my guess is you wont' notice much of a difference, since the issue is more memory footprint/cpu ussage over hd space, in which case mate is mate depending on if you use the minimial compents needed vs the full task.
22:15.50grineeor both
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22:16.14somiajallure: so something like dropbox where the data is remote and shared vs using a local server?
22:16.23alluresomiaj: Yes, windows machines. Samba IS working, but the server is too old and they want to retire the server
22:16.40alluresomiaj: yes... I think that remote samba is kinda risky, so..
22:16.59allureI've taken a look on OwnCloud, Seafile and Pydio
22:17.01wallbrokensomiaj, just because you told me that openbox configuration is very time consuming
22:17.28allurestill not decided, since there are reports that they get somewhat lost after 30k+ files
22:17.47allureand with 250GB of files (and growing), there are easily more than 30k files :-)
22:17.53somiajallure: I don't have experince here, and would think there would be a better channel to ask about pros/cons of various offsite data storage. Really what you are talking about is borderline off-topic for #debian. Sorry I can't provide any more suggestions than the ones you have listed.
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22:18.17alluresomiaj: sure, no problem :-)
22:18.22somiajallure: at that size I would almost prefer local (faster speeds) than a remote server. But that is just mean and I don't understand your full use case.
22:18.54alluresomiaj: me too, but the company does not want to have a server at their office anymore :)
22:19.20grineenot sure where to go next
22:19.24somiajThere are also various hardware solutions. You can get a small device you can attach to your network and just plug in usbdrives to and not need a full server (or maybe use something simple like a raspberry pi to run samba and host the files)
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22:19.55alluresomiaj: that would still be on premises, so they would not accept :(
22:20.08allureI wish I could use something on premises, but they won't allow it anymore
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22:20.25somiajgrinee: I don't have any more suggestions. You could try ##linux maybe someone there would have some help with linux support fot he device. If it can be supported in the linux kernel it can usually be supported in debian (provided the kernel or backported kernel is new neough)
22:20.31grineealright
22:20.32grineethanks
22:21.16somiajallure: ahh yea, wasn't sure if they were just not wanting a full server (computer for this), as opposed to a embeded small pice of hardware that has a low energy usage and just serves files and isn't a full os.
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22:22.16alluresomiaj: they want to "get rid of everything no essencial or not core to their business"
22:23.02somiajallure: well then you'll just have to invesigate the various options, and dropbox is the only one that I have seen in use (note I"m a desktop hobbiest so very little experience in to what alternatives there are)
22:23.27alluresomiaj: alright, thank you :)
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22:23.37allureany suggestion on where to look for this? maybe another #?
22:23.53squinty!alis
22:23.53dpkg♬♫ ALIS? WHO THE F IS ALIS?  alis is a services bot that can help you find channels on the <freenode> irc network.  "/msg alis help list" for usage information or ask about alis in #freenode.  Example: «/msg alis list #debian*» or «/msg alis list *linux*»
22:24.18somiajallure: I'm unsure as a suggestion. ##linux might be a place to ask for a list of ones that are compadable with linux
22:24.30allurecool... thanks :)
22:24.33somiajallure: there is also ##windows, but still both really aren't specific to your need
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22:24.44alluretrue =D
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22:26.12somiajallure: seems squinty suggestes using alis to find a good channel
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22:48.12wallbrokensomiaj, httpredir.debian.org is better?
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22:48.52somiajwallbroken: better than what? That is the best suggestion for a mirror as it will find a close geoip mirror. But using a specific mirror is also accetable.
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22:49.41somiaj(note ftp.countrycode.debian.net are not offical mirrors they are just old redirectors, so if you are going to use a name that redirects you use httpredir.debian.org or http.debian.net (they are the same I belive, the name just changed but both work)
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22:56.02len_FFFFFFhello guys
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22:58.20wallbrokensomiaj, maybe is there some way to start DE only when i need it?
22:58.44wallbrokeni often could use diretly ghe command line user interface
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22:58.59wallbroken*directly the
22:59.25rainfyrewallbroken: what DE are you using?
22:59.38wallbrokenMATE
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22:59.56fishcookerhow to negate routing in case on vpn i want all connection to certain network will use this routing rule, others will use default route/gateway?
23:00.00rainfyrewallbroken: sorry, never used mate in debian.
23:00.22rainfyrewallbroken: in the past i've removed the login manager, lightdm in my case, and just run startx to start my DE
23:00.35cxd13wallbroken: just startx whenever you want to work in your DE, and don't otherwise
23:00.46rainfyrewallbroken: ^^ exactly
23:00.48somiajwallbroken: sure disable/uninstall the display manager (gdm3 I think) and then you can just run 'startx' when you want to load a graphical enviroment.
23:01.02rainfyreyay I was doing it right!
23:01.02somiaj!nodm
23:01.03dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default.  Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim".  "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console.  nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
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23:01.17wallbrokengdm let make it start automatically at bootup?
23:01.17somiajyou could also just follow that suggestion to put 'false' in the file there
23:02.12somiajwallbroken: gdm3 is a display manager, it is a graphical login as opposed to a terminal login
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23:04.50greynessbut everyone else is working fine
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23:16.56derstromHi. I'm really having difficulty getting postfix working. I want to have email sent to example@mydomain forwarded to my local user account. I have created /etc/postfix/virtual with "email@email useraccount" and added a virtual alias map to /etc/postfix/virtual in main.cf. Still, nothing in /var/mail/user... (I've postmap'd the virtual file and reloaded postfix as well).
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23:22.53civillianderstrom: make sure your hostname is setup in /etc/hosts, ensure myhostname is set to that name and mydestination set to that name and localhost
23:23.20derstromthanks, I'll check that out
23:24.53derstromcivilian: yes, /etc/hosts displays the hostname fine and I can see mydestination in main.cf displays both the hostname and the domain name as a comma separated list.
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23:25.20derstrommyhostname is also set the same as /etc/hosts
23:25.42derstromMX record set etc
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23:41.25JohnnyonFI'm having a problem with my boot script and I'm unsure about how to resolve. USB Devices are only detected too late into the boot stage for my script to be able to determine the boot media
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23:41.35JohnnyonFI tried using "wait_for_udev 60" to no avail
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23:44.22ZzeissOn Debian Wheezy, I made the mistake of wiping out the printing system by trying to install gutenprint.   How can I get back to a working printer setup?
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23:46.27BW^-ugh, the partitioning part of the installer is making issues for me
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23:46.32r6kuZzeiss: try installing the metapackage task-print-server
23:46.40BW^-it asks, "Guided - use entire disk", "Guided user entire disk and set up encrypted LVM", etc
23:46.44BW^-I choose "Guided .. encrypted LVM".
23:46.52BW^-then, it gives me a 10GB swap partition
23:46.57BW^-and I just don't see how I can make it smaller?
23:47.51Zzeissr6ku: Giving that a try right now...
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23:48.27Zzeissr6ku: No joy... I can't even get past the "unlock authentication"
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23:49.57r6kuZzeiss: you need root to install/remove packages
23:50.22Zzeissr6ku: Oh, I installed it as root no problem.   But still can't configure it.
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23:50.44Zzeissr6ku: (at least not via the graphic interface0
23:50.51BW^-anyone?
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23:54.09Zzeissoh, localhost:631.... ok, what username/password does it want?
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23:55.10r6kuI haven't used a printer for a long time, maybe the wiki has something that can help: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting
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23:56.31BW^-"partman-lvm: Can't open /dev/mapper/sdaN_crypt exclusively. Mounted fiesystem?"
23:56.37BW^-so the Debian installer has an issue with me.
23:56.52wallbrokensomiaj, xorg is included in mate package?
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