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00:00.50lenswipehey guys
00:00.59lenswipei have a box here im about to put debian on
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00:01.09lenswipeive configured 2 HDDs in RAID1 - Mirror
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00:01.25lenswipedo i need a RAID driver for debian, or will my mobo handle that transparently?
00:02.46abrotmanis it real raid or fakeraid?
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00:04.50RickHullHi, i am trying to find out how to disable gnome-keyring-ssh on Jessie
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00:05.33RickHulli don't seem to have this program on my system
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00:11.02RickHullcan anyone help me 1. determine the alternative     and 2.   file a doc bug?     Jessie's Gnome version (3.14) has dropped support for gnome-session-properties
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00:14.52RickHullis this the right approach for Debian? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME_Keyring#Disable_keyring_daemon
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00:20.56CeIeIibiMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YEAHHHH
00:20.59CeIeIibiFUCK MY ASSSSS
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00:21.06CeIeIibiOH BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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00:23.20CeIeIibi!ops WAKE UP FAGGOTS
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00:34.58RickHullHi, it looks like the files in /etc/profile.d/ are not having an effect on my gnome-terminal session
00:35.11RickHulle.g. export FOO=bar within /etc/profile.d/foo
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00:35.33drocsidHi debian people. If I want to do an automated install of a package, how do I make apt choose defaults?
00:35.38pycoderfhello all. what is the trick to mounting luks encrypted drives from another system without formating them
00:35.39RickHullexport FOO=baz within /etc/profile does take effect in gnome-terminal
00:35.54pycoderfi setup crypttab and fstab but it doesnt actually create the /dev/mapper devices
00:36.15drocsidI saw something about devconf preseeding
00:36.22drocsid*debconf
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00:36.40drocsidbut I think I'll be fine with the defaults
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00:44.41drocsidfor example if I install the mailutils package, it comes up with a debian installer menu. If I trust the selections that are generated by default, how can I tell apt-get to choose the default menu selections, so I can automate an install?
00:45.32pycoderfanyone using luks with systemd?
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00:46.27abrotmandrocsid: you can tell it to only ask you high priority questoins
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00:51.19drocsidright now using apt-get install -y, but that isn't working out for me.. maybe --force-yes? Seems to want to bring up a console, but due to a build process, I cannot connect to it to choose through the menu
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00:51.33drocsidabrotman: what flags are you suggesting
00:51.52pycoderfcan anyone tell me why i cannot seem to mount luks volumes on jessie?
00:52.36pycoderfi get the following
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00:53.14TJ-pycoderf: did you recently make changes to /etc/crypttab ?
00:53.35abrotmandrocsid: is this a one-time thing?
00:53.37pycoderfi copied it from another system. basically i am moving an encrypted drive from one box to another
00:54.09pycoderfi see cryptdisks.service is masked but running unmask doesn't help
00:54.16pycoderfand dm-crypt modules dont load at boot
00:54.21drocsidor is there a quick way to work with debconf preseeding then, if it's the only option?
00:54.50pycoderfthe above was for TJ-
00:55.10TJ-pycoderf: check the logs - " Loading of cryptographic parameters failed: Invalid argument" suggests some argument to cryptsetup was bad
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00:55.25pycoderfwhich is odd as i copied my setup fromt h e other box
00:55.31pycoderfhowever it wasn't systemd
00:55.46TJ-pycoderf: maybe the kernel doesn't have the crypto modules loaded/built-in on this system, but they were on the original?
00:56.23pycoderfso i apt-get install cryptsetup
00:56.26pycoderfi can modprobe dm-crypt
00:56.52pycoderfhow can i ensure it starts at boot
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00:58.32TJ-pycoderf: ensure modules are listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild the initrd.img
00:59.07pycoderfwhen i installed cryptsetup it looked like it di that
00:59.25TJ-pycoderf: it might not include the crypto modules required though
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01:00.22pycoderfok so i edited /etc/initramfs/modules to include dm-crypt along with /etc/modules
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01:01.03pycoderfstill failed to start the crypto services
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01:01.25pycoderfi think systemd is getting in the way
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01:02.50UtilsDoes anyone know why wget (and also curl) tries to download to root folder despite not being in the root folder, or root? http://pastie.org/private/0g1fqh66tyetcxkjiwfqfa
01:03.00UtilsIt's giving me a little headache.
01:03.34pycoderfTJ-:  any ideas on this: systemd[1]: Failed to start Cryptography Setup for shared.
01:03.50pycoderfoh i found it i think
01:06.08drocsidgetting debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
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01:07.54pycoderfTJ-: i just copied the keys over from the old system and still nothing
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01:09.15TJ-pycoderf: the LUKS container isn't using a detached header is it?
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01:09.31pycoderfunsure what that is
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01:10.03TJ-pycoderf: probably not, then :)
01:10.51pycoderfthis is very strange
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01:11.10pycoderfi still have the invalid crguments but also systemd[1]: Dependency failed for dev-mapper-shared.device.
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01:13.00TJ-pycoderf: well, cryptsetup needs device-mapper to create a device node for the plaintext device
01:13.32pycoderfwell i dont understand why it isnt doing so
01:13.35pycoderfcrypttab is setup right
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01:15.18TJ-pycoderf: Do the systemd logs cast any light on the failing services?
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01:15.37pycoderfTJ-: I finally found it.
01:15.53pycoderfcrypttab had the devices as /dev/sda1 when this system it is b
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01:16.49TJ-pycoderf: That's what I thought originally
01:17.05TJ-the error message really had no other interpretation
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01:21.55pycoderfTJ-: does that mean i dont need dm-cypt listed in those module files?
01:22.01pycoderfsinc eit isnt on the other box
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01:22.47TJ-pycoderf: well LUKS is a wrapper for dm_crypt so it is needed. Maybe it's already being included without needing to be added manually though
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01:33.37AethenelleI'm trying to run deboostrap on a x84_64 testing machine (on vmware) to get a ppc64el VM built for qemu. I get through the first stage fine, copy in the qemu static binary and try the second stage only to get: /sbin/ldconfig.real: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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01:34.46Aethenelleas an added bonus running ldconfig with qemu-ppc64le-static in the chroot works. I looked for library links but found only binaries and soft links. any ideas?
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01:36.52TJ-Aethenelle: you're runnning the second-stage from inside the chroot?
01:37.01Aethenellegoogle came up with one issue on docker-brew-debian at github that's currently unresolved.
01:37.21pycoderfoh sweet and now my samba service is missing
01:37.25AethenelleTJ-: yes, also vmdeboostrap and qemu-debootstrap die in the same place/manner
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01:38.39TJ-Aethenelle: the error looks to be shell script based. Have you tried "set -x" then running the second stage?
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01:39.07Aethenellenope
01:39.30greynessHaving issues with quotas, its showing more space USED then its supposed too
01:39.40greynessi already did a quotacheck.. but that doesnt fix it. any ideas?
01:39.48TJ-Aethenelle: it might help reveal the location of the error report, and suggest what the fix might be
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01:40.42TJ-greyness: how do you mean, more space than it's supposed to?
01:40.47Aethenelleset a builtin?
01:40.53greynessharriko   +- 101096548 52428800 52428800  6days    8093     0     0
01:41.39Aethenellenvm.. whole bunch of unsupported ioctl errors flying in here....
01:41.51TJ-Aethenelle: it's a shell control, and 'x' controls echoing of shell commands before they are executed, so you can trace the flow
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01:42.14pycoderfTJ-: any idea why samba would just sit connecting on a windows box
01:42.38AethenelleTJ-: surprisingly, it's not getting me anything new
01:43.02Aethenellewait... lemme doublecheck debootstrap.log on that run
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01:43.49Aethenelleyup, nothing new
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01:45.58pycoderfso it thinks password is not valid when that is false
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01:46.45kenchow,l
01:46.51kenchowhello
01:47.02TJ-Aethenelle: Here: "grep -n ldconfig /usr/share/debootstrap/*" => "/usr/share/debootstrap/functions:1398:/sbin/ldconfig.REAL"  ... suggests the error may be in that script
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01:47.57Aethenelleif the error's in the debootstrap script, wouldn't the installer for all platforms be broken currently?
01:48.26Aethenellethe full error from the deboostrap log is: /sbin/ldconfig.real: 1: /sbin/ldconfig.real: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
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01:50.06TJ-Aethenelle: which suggests it is something that ldconfig is reading. Check "/etc/ld.so.conf" and "/etc/ld.so.conf.d/" for any "("
01:50.39Aethenellenone... I'll run grep against it just in case though...
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01:51.28Aethenelleyup, nothing
01:51.31TJ-Aethenelle: which deboostrap variant are you using?
01:51.58Aethenellevmdebootstrap, debootstrap and qemu-debootstrap all from testing release
01:52.34pycoderfanyone here now able to help with samba? windows is saying invalid password when in fact it is not
01:52.41pycoderflogging in as server\user
01:52.47pycoderfand copy/paste the password
01:53.01TJ-Aethenelle: I wonder if you can run strace somehow, to trace the file accesses and then isolate the reads just before that error
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01:54.40AethenelleTJ-: is it in the buildd variant?
01:55.16Aethenellethere a way to force apt to pull a statically linked version?
01:55.31TJ-Aethenelle: I doubt it, and not sure it's easy to do for a foreign arch
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01:55.53Aethenellethen strace is out...
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01:56.12kenchowdebian is a great system
01:56.20Aethenelleno lsof either...
01:56.56TJ-Aethenelle: oooo... does the chroot have a /sbin/ldconfig which is a shell script?
01:57.05Aethenelleyes
01:57.14kenchowbut i just know that, i used to use ubuntu
01:57.22Aethenellerun directly w/ set -x?
01:57.23TJ-Aethenelle: it's last line is "exec /sbin/ldconfig.real "$@"  "
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01:57.43TJ-Aethenelle: Yes, add "set -x" to it and see what that $@ is inserting, if anything
01:57.59Aethenelleexec set -x ?
01:58.11TJ-Aethenelle: no, as the 2nd line after the shebang
01:58.20TJ-then call the 2nd stage deboostrap as usual
01:59.13pycoderfhis was far less an issue on the other box
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01:59.18Aethenelleno luck: exec /sbin/ldconfig.real
01:59.42Aethenelle?!? /debootstrap/debootstrap: 83: /debootstrap/debootstrap: wget: not found
01:59.46TJ-Aethenelle: That's good though; it tells us the issue isn't with a command-line parameter changing ldconfig default behaviour
01:59.57TJ-Aethenelle: oooo
02:00.23TJ-Aethenelle: that's to be installed in the 2nd stage isn't it?
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02:01.05Aethenelleat the start of the second stage, the packages are unpacked where they should be they just haven't been configured and ldconfig hasn't been run
02:01.35Skyekk22Hey guys... if debian isn't able to see my new usb drive.. would it have anything to do with my disabled upnp?
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02:03.18SirLagzSkyekk22: does dmesg show the new drive being plugged in?
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02:03.28Aethenelleit's actually in /debootstrap/functions:83 ... lemme do some reading...
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02:03.40greynessno help on the quota bug?
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02:04.51Skyekk22SirLagz: I just get a bunch of these over and over: "[ 2653.543315] usb 1-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 114 using ehci-pci
02:04.52Skyekk22[ 2654.311036] usb 1-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 115 using ehci-pci
02:04.52Skyekk22"
02:05.26SirLagzSkyekk22: does the usb stick work on a different computer?
02:05.32Skyekk22SirLagz: Yepo
02:05.38SirLagzSkyekk22: tried different usb ports?
02:05.39Aethenellehrm... wget is used all over the install process...
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02:05.53SirLagzSkyekk22: is it a usb flash drive or usb hard drive?
02:05.59Skyekk22SirLagz: Yep, neither work. It's a usb flash drive
02:06.15TJ-Aethenelle: I see that error for someone using a PPC system and accidentally installing ARM packages... so I'm wondering if debootstrap has incorrectly copied in some x86 files that causes the PPC ldconfig to choke
02:06.18SirLagzcan you pastebin some more of the dmesg log when you plug it in?
02:06.36Skyekk22SirLagz: Absolutely, one moment :)
02:06.48Aethenelleeasy enough to find out....
02:09.02TJ-Aethenelle: can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*"
02:09.24Aethenellesure
02:10.03Skyekk22SirLagz: http://pastebin.com/xRwdD87b
02:10.30Aethenellehttp://pastebin.com/HwyydARz
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02:11.48SirLagzSkyekk22: erk, work proxy is stopping pastebin. Can you paste it onto the debian pastebin?
02:12.21abrotmanpaste.debian.net
02:12.36SirLagzabrotman: thanks
02:13.09Skyekk22SirLagz: Sir, one moment
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02:13.12Skyekk22Sure*
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02:14.11Skyekk22SirLagz: http://paste.debian.net/289595/
02:14.20TJ-Aethenelle: I think this is getting to the core of the issue: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/45781/shell-script-fails-syntax-error-unexpected
02:14.27Aethenelledoesn't look like there's a x86 binary in the chroot at all...
02:15.07SirLagzSkyekk22: does lsusb show it at all ? I don't think that usb stick likes your computer
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02:15.27Skyekk22SirLagz: But.. but.. it's my favorite one :*(
02:15.33Skyekk22SirLagz: Noppers, it doesn't
02:15.42Aethenellefor what? the ld.so.conf.d/* files?
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02:15.46SirLagzSkyekk22: is it an old computer and new usb stick?
02:15.56Skyekk22SirLagz: both are newer
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02:16.14SirLagzSkyekk22: got me stumped then.
02:16.29SirLagzSkyekk22: is this a laptop ? desktop ? How big is the USB stick?
02:16.45Skyekk22SirLagz: It's a laptop, the usb is 32 gigs
02:17.03SirLagzSkyekk22: maybe try putting a powered hub in and see if that helps?
02:17.11SirLagzSkyekk22: that's about the only thing I can think of. Seems to be hardware related
02:17.32Skyekk22SirLagz: okies ;3
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02:19.00Skyekk22SirLagz: hmmm and i just split my bottle of nail polish on it.. not sure that helps xD
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02:19.23SirLagzSkyekk22: at least it'll make it nice and pretty
02:19.52TJ-Aethenelle: It looks like ldconfig is reading a non-binary
02:19.53Skyekk22SirLagz: Well, i guess that's about all it is at this point!
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02:21.09TJ-Aethenelle: what does "file /chroot/bin/bash" report --- particularly, does it include any text mentioning the architecture, such as ppc64el ?
02:21.49TJ-Aethenelle: if 'file' can tell is the file type we can quickly look for any files that are not binaries.
02:22.30Aethenellehttp://pastebin.com/rMZfNYgd
02:23.18Aethenellethat's w/ the -v flag for ldconfig
02:24.26TJ-Aethenelle: maybe this will help see if there are some none-binary files:   while read DIR; do [ -n "${DIR%%#*}" ] && find ${DIR} -type f -exec file {} \; | grep -v 'PowerPC' ; done < <(cat /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*)
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02:26.34Aethenelle?!? bash: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
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02:27.47abrotmanthat's fine
02:27.54TJ-Aethenelle: Is that from within the chroot? Might be better to run it from the host and adjust the path to point into the chroot
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02:28.54Aethenellenot quite refined enough.... getting too many directories
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02:30.57Aethenellegot it... one sec
02:31.38Aethenellehttp://pastebin.com/kC5A4wie
02:33.05Aethenellebunch of perl scripts
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02:36.28Aethenelleset -e the opposite of -x ?
02:36.39Aethenellenvm
02:36.43TJ-Aethenelle: Nothing there stands out. ... no "set -e' means stop script on any error
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02:37.52TJ-Aethenelle: do you launch the 2nd stage with a command like "chroot /mnt/foreign /debootstrap/deboostrap" ? ... I'm thinking of a way to use the host's strace to log all file accesses to figure out the exact location of the error.
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02:38.05Aethenelleset -x in debootstrap: http://pastebin.com/KdxZ7PY6
02:38.57Aethenelleyes: chroot /mnt/foreign/ /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
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02:40.21TJ-Aethenelle: thanks... how about this:  " strace -f -e trace=file chroot /mnt/foreign/ /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage |& tee /tmp/debootstrap-strace.log"
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02:44.19Aethenelletrying to figure out how to get that file to you...
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02:45.45TJ-Aethenelle: we probably only need the last 500 lines
02:46.05TJ-Aethenelle: the error conditions should be in the final few lines
02:47.40Aethenellehttp://pastebin.com/NiuiA5RX
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02:53.49TJ-Aethenelle: That raises several questions in my mind, but not sure which are relevant. This: "openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/qemu-binfmt/ppc64le", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"  is related to identifying file-types
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02:56.52Aethenellethe whole dump: http://pastebin.com/m8q13drM
02:57.27TJ-Aethenelle: probably easier if I reproduce here. What is the exact command you use to create the chroot?
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02:59.53Aethenellehttp://pastebin.com/8GnAZN8p
03:00.34Aethenelleyou can also replace most of that if you use vmdebootstrap
03:01.27Aethenellevmdebootstrap --verbose --image=debian-ppc64le.qcow2 --size=10737418240 --arch=powerpc64le --enable-dhcp --enable-networking --sudo --user=eroot/eroot --owner eroot --configure-apt --distribution testing
03:01.54Aethenellenot qcow2 but ext4 on that --image argument
03:02.13Aethenelledoesn't really matter... it'll be a raw etx4 image either way...
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03:08.19koz_I installed the rfkill package, but the rfkill *command* still doesn't show up. Am I missing something?
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03:08.46greynessit should
03:08.49greynesstry: which rfkill
03:09.03koz_greyness: Figured it out - only responds to sudo rfkill.
03:09.15greynessthats how it should work.. :P
03:09.24chainsaw10rfkill is in /usr/sbin, which isn't usually in a normal user's path.
03:09.53koz_Now I have a bigger problem - how to get past a hardware block of the wifi when there's no switch for it...
03:10.17koz_The only way seems to be by use of a function key, but obviously Debian doesn't respond to this...
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03:12.39TJ-Aethenelle: you manually copy in qemu-ppc64le-static ?
03:12.56Aethenelleif I'm not using vmdebootstrap
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03:21.16koz_How would I set up the function keys to do what they're meant to do for my wifi chip?
03:21.28koz_It seems like the only way to enable wifi...
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03:22.58chainsaw10koz_: no idea if this will work, but have you checked your BIOS settings? Just a longshot guess. Personally, I doubt it.
03:23.10koz_Nothing there that can help me.
03:23.18koz_I have a shit BIOS which doesn't even have legacy boot.
03:23.40amoiseSo I'm trying to trim and concatenate mp3 files without reencoding... the only tip I can find is to use ffmpeg to redo the container as .mpg, trim the files, concatenate the files, and then redo the container as .mp3
03:24.03amoiseWhen I do that I get odd audio artifacts. Is there some easy way to do this that I'm missing?
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03:24.35chainsaw10koz_: hate to suggest it, but if it's a dual boot, have you tried enabling it under Windows?
03:24.47koz_chainsaw10: No dual-boot, but I guess I could try.
03:25.29chainsaw10koz_: Never had the problem myself, but in something I read a while ago, that was a suggestion.
03:26.14koz_chainsaw10: I'll give it a go.
03:26.24koz_If I can get this thing working, I'll be quite relieved.
03:26.32koz_Since this laptop has been nothing but issues day and night.
03:26.41koz_1) Shit BIOS with no legacy boot option.
03:26.47koz_2) This Wifi thing.
03:27.10koz_3) Loss of keyboard with more recent kernels unless I do the earlymodules=atkbd thing.
03:27.14chainsaw10koz_: I assume you've tried the wifi button both with and without the FN key? Don't mean to insult you, just saying to double check it before trying something complicated like a dual boot
03:27.20koz_Possibly more fun stuff I've yet to encounter.
03:27.23koz_chainsaw10: Yeah, I did.
03:28.01koz_Also, weirdly, it periodically fails to boot because it freezes at the bootloader.
03:28.06koz_Still have no idea wtf is up with that one.
03:28.22chainsaw10koz_: Which laptop, if you don't mind, I'm curious?
03:28.30koz_Acer Aspire 5560G.
03:28.37amoisekoz_: FWIW Chromebook + crouton has worked well for me. Hardware works 100% flawlessly, which is a first for me with Linux laptops, but then maintaining my installation in a chroot is a big PITA. Pick your poison.
03:28.40koz_I can get you the exact model number if you're that curious.
03:30.15koz_Interestingly, this is not the first time AMD stuff has been a nuisance for me. Recently, I had a laptop which *flat-out* refused to come off suspend with its keyboard and sound working on *any* version of the Linux kernel and *any* distro I tested.
03:30.21koz_I later discovered this was a microcode issue.
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03:31.23chainsaw10koz_: Not that curious. I'm not knowledgeable enough to have a clue for the keyboard & boot thing. Have you checked to make sure whatever wifi card you have has a linux driver?
03:31.37koz_amoise: I have *only* had troubles of this nature either with Broadcom (because they suck) or AMD stuff.
03:31.49koz_Every other machine I tried to install GNU/Linux on went without a hitch.
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03:32.48koz_chainsaw10: The keyboard issue is solved - the boot one is still a nuisance though. It's an Atheros of some kind - if you're still around post-dual-boot, I can tell you the exact model.
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03:34.53chainsaw10koz_: probably won't be. I'm not here much. Just figured I'd offer my $0.02.
03:36.25koz_Well, it's appreciated all the same. :)
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03:37.18chainsaw10no problem, hope you get it working. On my current laptop, the wifi infuriated me so much I'm using a USB one :D
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03:38.02koz_chainsaw10: I hope so too.
03:38.14koz_It's rather frustrating, and this laptop's been fighting me at every turn.
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03:40.42amoiseFollowup on my audio: Now that I complained and asked for help, it works without artifacts. Behold the power of #debian.
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03:51.14anaohi@all did anyone find solution btrfs-scan hangs on boot with sid?
03:51.27AethenelleTJ-: incedentally, some of that can be found on the wiki. https://wiki.debian.org/ppc64el/Installation#debootstrap_for_QEMU.2FKVM
03:51.38anaocurrent i mount the raid with rc.local
03:51.58AethenelleI couldn't get that full flow to work at all though...
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04:43.43iateadonuti have a sshd process that has been running for a long time.  i have the PID - how do i find out the connection information (what IP is the connection coming from) ?
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04:44.26PryMar56iateadonut, netstat
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04:49.36ochiottesiateadonut: "netstat -t" for example shows all current TCP connections
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04:50.16ochiotteswhich would apply to ssh
04:52.00iateadonutthanks.  it's actually not showing me a tcp connection:
04:52.01iateadonutunix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     932297802 881418/sshd
04:53.13ochiottesiateadonut: that's not the output of netstat -t
04:53.40iateadonutochiottes: that's right.  i didn't find the PID in netstat -t
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04:53.42polyphagiaok
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04:55.26locrian9Using the command line, how do you remotely change the IP address of an interface while connected through ssh?
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04:56.55ochiottesiateadonut: There's also another way. You could install lsof, ad as root do "lsof -i :22"
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04:57.39ochiottesiateadonut: that is, if your sshd listens on port 22
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05:03.13devslashhow do I install nvidia drivers in debian?
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05:03.52r6ku!nvidia
05:03.52dpkgWhere possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default.  To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
05:03.52devslashi tried apt-get nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms but it doesnt find those packages
05:04.16devslashthat doesnt work. it doesnt find the drivers
05:04.25r6kudevslash: update your sources.list to include contrib and non-free sections
05:04.29devslashi did
05:04.48iateadonutochiottes, thanks.
05:04.51r6kudid you remember to update your sources afterwards?
05:05.18devslashyea
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05:06.24devslashwhich lin source do I add that to
05:06.33Equadevslash: cat /etc/apt/sources.list -> paste.debian.net
05:06.41devslashI cant paste it
05:06.51devslashmy graphics are messed up
05:07.04devslashI just installed debian last night so the sources is the stock sources
05:07.20devslashthe only thing I did is added contrib non-free to the first deb line
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05:07.54Equadevslash: you used the netinst image?
05:08.01devslashno the iso
05:08.18Equadevslash: yeah, sometimes those dont' have the online one. they just use the dvd / cd
05:08.30devslashso how can i fix this
05:08.39Equa!sources.list
05:08.39dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
05:09.10devslashwhich line do i add contrib non-free to?
05:09.14Equadevslash: do that and just add contrib non-free to all 3
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05:10.33devslashno its asking for the nvidia binary
05:10.50devslashI have the first iso burned to a usb drive mount as /media/cdrom
05:11.12devslashbut its not accepting it
05:11.17Equacomment out your cd rom as a source
05:11.24Equajust add # in front of that cd rom line
05:11.46devslashok
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05:12.09devslashok so far so good seems to be running thanks
05:12.14Equayw
05:13.07devslashnow I have to edit xorg.conf right ?
05:13.19r6kudevslash: just so you know, if you don
05:13.23Equayes, or install and run the nvidia-xconfig
05:13.43r6ku't configure xorg correctly, you'll boot to terminal
05:13.45devslashi dont have that command
05:13.58Equayou need to install it first
05:14.11devslashok. let me reboot
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05:14.32Equayou should make the xorg conf first
05:14.42devslashgot a white screen of death
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05:15.46devslashnice its working now.... and with both monitors
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05:16.59devslashhow do i swap the primary and secondary monitors in display settings
05:18.42iateadonutfound some interesting connections from China.  has anyone seen this kind of thing (sps-tunnel, vseconnector)?
05:18.42iateadonuttcp        0     84 myip:22022      222.186.56.51:sps-tunnel    ESTABLISHED 736971/sshd
05:18.42iateadonuttcp        0     84 myip:22022 222.186.56.51:vseconnector  ESTABLISHED 736976/sshd
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05:20.17iateadonutlsof shows that this is a root process.
05:20.59devslashhow do i swap primary and secondary monitors?
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05:22.52asterismohi ppl
05:23.03NetscaHello.
05:23.07asterismois there any debian CMS blog content package? mostly for comment handling in a blog
05:23.38NetscaI don't know what cms is
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05:23.56SirLagzasterismo: you mean like wordpress?
05:24.00asterismoyeah
05:24.05asterismosorta
05:24.12SirLagzyes...wordpress.
05:24.33asterismoeasy-to-configure wordpress like engine available in debian repos
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05:25.00SirLagzasterismo: whats not easy to configure on wordpress?
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05:25.43squintydevslash,  https://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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05:31.36asterismosorry, blackout
05:31.44asterismowordpress
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05:34.51ochiottesiateadonut: To find out more about this, do "netstat -tn" <- this gives you the port number. with "lsof -i :<portnumber>" you'll find out more. And "lsof -p <PID>" shows all files used by this process.
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05:39.39asterismoany wordpress alternative in debian repos¿
05:39.41asterismo?
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05:41.29ochiottesasterismo: drupal, joomlah, django-cms, plone. Any wiki like moinmoin wiki, dokuwiki, mediawiki and so on
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05:42.57asterismoochiottes: great
05:43.14asterismoochiottes: what would you reccomend for a simple blog and comment managment
05:43.15asterismo?
05:43.41ochiottesIf you like PHP, grab drupal
05:43.49asterismoi see wordpress is there too, did not know
05:44.13ochiotteswordpress is a security nightmare
05:44.21UllarahWeird question, but is there an ssh client I can use that enables me to type in a separate window and sent it to the ssh terminal?
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05:47.10ochiottesUllarah: That doesn't make much sense
05:47.49UllarahLet me a get a screenshot of a windows equivalent of what I'm trying to say.
05:47.56bobeUllarah, open some editor, type line, copy&paste into terminal :p
05:48.05NetscaDoes anyone know if it's possible to view .pdfs in tty?
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05:49.15asterismoochiottes: really? what other recommends other than drupal?
05:49.50asterismoochiottes: maybe joomlah i think
05:50.23asterismodoes wordpress has security issues?
05:51.28NetscaI know you can use fbgs but is there a better option maybe something that works in tmux?
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05:51.36UllarahThis is what I'm sorta after, http://puu.sh/jrc7k/e773d929c4.png
05:52.01UllarahQuickly type some commands, hit F12, and it goes ahead and runs through the script.
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05:54.42iateadonutis there a way to show the command history of an ssh connection by PID?
05:54.44squintyNetsca,   maybe take a look at  aptitude show mupdf-tools
05:54.46ochiottesNetsca: You could try simple "less <pdf-file>
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06:06.34ochiottesUllarah: Looks good. Looks also a lot like you want to write scripts in another editor. Why don't you write these scripts in your shell and run them there?
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06:09.12ochiottesUllarah: You'll find the last commands you types in .bash_history
06:09.18ochiottes*you typed
06:09.40darxmurfhi all
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06:09.57swift110-phoneHey darxmurf
06:11.02darxmurflast day of the week \o/
06:12.08darxmurfFlogging Molly concert tonight, with roasted pig and beer \o/
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06:12.24fabzor3_its Thursday in AUstralia
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06:14.40locrian9Will the following bash script work to change an IP Address on a remote server as I'm logged into the server via ssh (#!/bin/bash, ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0, sleep 180, /etc/init.d/network restart, sleep 180, /etc/init.d/network restart, sleep 60, /sbin/reboot
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06:19.08inchlocrian9: It changes the address, but the address will change back after the reboot.
06:20.06inchbtw, I don't have /etc/init.d/network (jessie)
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06:23.52locrian9inch: Yeah, I'm going to try this on a Debian machine. With the bash script I just posted, I'm thinking to let the bash script run, run a ping to the new IP from a networked machine, and see if the first command in the bash script changes the IP successfully.  If the IP doesn't change (unsucessful), then I can break out of the bash script before the machine restarts.
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06:24.34peterrooneyUllarah: you might also invoke a terminal editor from bash with ^X ^E key combination ( man bash and search for edit-and-execute-command
06:25.58wingman2peterrooney: holy molly
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06:27.03darxmurffabzor3_: it's is too here :D
06:27.59darxmurflocrian9: I would use /etc/init.d/network stop; /etc/init.d/network start instead of restart
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06:28.52locrian9darxmurf: Thanks.  I'll give that a try.
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06:29.51darxmurfI had some problems with "restart" a couple of times
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06:30.11darxmurfand when your network stays down remotely it's a pain in the ass :D
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06:48.50mactimesCould someone recommend me some software to read/unblock a USB e-Token on Jessie?  Vendor software supports MS and Apple only.
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06:50.08ArahaelWmactimes: All I can say there is that given that the vendor support that on the mac and windows, it must be possible.
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06:50.31ArahaelWmactimes: On the last one I used, the moment it got blocked, that's it. You have to buy a new one.
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06:54.06mactimesArahaelW No, no, no.  It's not "blocked", really.  I need to enter a PIN under the Windows application to "unlock" it.  I'm keeping the damn Windows machine only because of this e-token (which is used for government business), but I want to get rid of that as it makes no sense to me keeping a single Windows machine on the network just because of a single program/task.
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06:55.33peterrooneymactimes: bill them for that machine's electricity?
06:55.38ArahaelWmactimes: Good luck. :(  Raise a feature request, but I suspect you're out of luck.  Consider running a VM.
06:55.49ArahaelWmactimes: VM's, at least, are scriptable.
06:56.11mactimespeterrooney Not an option, right now.
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06:58.05mactimesArahaelW Yeah, I'm looking forward to replace that with a card reader, which seems to be pretty simpler to deal with, for now.  But the customer has already paid for 3 years non-reimbursable certificate on that e-token and the vendor wants to charge a lot more in order to provide it another way.
06:58.14darxmurfmactimes: did you try to run the software under wine ?
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06:58.53ArahaelW_mactimes: Your hands are tied, sadly.
06:59.03mactimesdarxmurf Not yet, no.
06:59.11mactimesArahaelW Yeah, it seems so.
06:59.18ArahaelW_mactimes: Even on windows, these companies go out of their way to prevent automation.
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06:59.52mactimesArahaelW Well, I'm not really looking for automation, but just making it work under Jessie.
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07:00.22ArahaelW_mactimes: Good luck. :)
07:00.39mactimesArahaelW_ Thank you.  I guess I'll need it... A lot.
07:00.54ArahaelW_mactimes: But seriously, consider a tiny, crappy netbook or something just for this task.
07:00.56mactimesAnyways... Thank you everyone for the suggestions and replies.
07:01.13ArahaelW_mactimes: Or a VM
07:01.22ArahaelW_(Or both, even(!))
07:01.31darxmurfor change your job
07:01.32darxmurf:D
07:01.53darxmurfor move to windows 10
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07:02.59mactimesArahaelW_ Yeah, I guess that I'll have to do that... I just wanted to avoid the pain in the !@$ of keeping a Windows machine, which requires such a huge maintenance effort just to keep the damn thing running (safely).
07:03.35ArahaelW_mactimes: Who said you had to expose it to the internet? ;)
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07:04.01ArahaelW_mactimes: And infact, it may be better not to, to better control the certificates.
07:04.01mactimesArahaelW_ The damn e-token use IS accessing a government web system...
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07:04.30ArahaelW_mactimes: Heh.  Firewall it.
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07:05.34mactimesArahaelW_ It's been done already.  But you know Windows... Users... Windows Users...
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07:06.12ArahaelW_mactimes: Script it, stick it in a cubboard.
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07:06.37ArahaelW_mactimes: (There's always a way)
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07:07.22darxmurfmactimes: there is not that much stuff to do on windows machines ... the Win98 time is over you know :)
07:07.34darxmurfWindows 10 is actually running quite well
07:07.44mactimesArahaelW_ Yup.  I guess I'll just set up an old notebook.
07:07.59ArahaelW_mactimes: Seriously though, I suggest a VM.
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07:08.16ArahaelW_mactimes: Unless it detects the VM and stops working.
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07:08.37ArahaelW_darxmurf: Agreed there.  Windows 8 was when it started getting really good in this regard.
07:09.08mactimesdarxmurf Oh, boy, even automatic updates for Windows cause problems...  Last week, for another customer, I had a lot of trouble because Microsoft thinks they know the hardware better than its maker and replaced NIC and video drivers...
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07:09.39ArahaelW_mactimes: Not MS's problem.
07:09.59ArahaelW_Emactimes: Rather, the NIC and video vendor was probably at fault there.
07:11.06darxmurfand in the end, no more network, no more problem :D
07:11.20mactimesArahaelW_ Well, it's provided by Microsoft, with Microsoft informed as software developer/publisher in the driver information...
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07:11.51ArahaelW_mactimes: So the vender did it wrong, then.
07:12.50mactimesArahaelW_ Reverting to the driver previously provided directly by the manufacturer solved the issue.
07:13.08mactimesArahaelW_ Not the first time it happened with NIC's, BTW.
07:13.22ArahaelW_mactimes: Oh, I believe you. I'm just telling you that the vendor stuffed it up.
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07:16.11ArahaelW_mactimes: As evidenced by the need for them to bypass the windows update  after previously using it.
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07:16.39ArahaelW_mactimes: They should have submitted the newer drivers through windows update.
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07:17.05mactimesArahaelW_ I remember an episode with Windows 2000 and another with Windows XP.
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07:19.40ArahaelW_mactimes:  Irrelevant, though both of those had more issues here.
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07:26.44aPerfectFemaleregarding installing things.... say I want to "apt-get install iceweasel"... is there a way to install that as a specific user, other than root?
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07:27.21aPerfectFemalewithout giving them root privileges.... like sudo.... but the file ownership would be the other user
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07:28.07ArahaelW_aPerfectFemale: Maybe, but you're probably better off compiling it yourself with a prefix of /home/aPerfectFemale, though it'll probably fail E_DIR_NOT_EXIST
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07:34.20devslashI installed debian with the default windows manager. does the background not function as your desktop in this windows manager ?
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07:34.42devslashI;m asking because I copied a file to my desktop folder in the file explorer but it doesnt appear on my desktop
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07:37.08ArahaelW_devslash: There is no default window manager.
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07:37.22devslashyea there is. the default option
07:37.55ArahaelW_devslash: Isn't the window system opt-in?
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07:38.38ArahaelW_devslash: ie, you have to select "x window system" or similar when installing debian, which may or may not be available depending on how you install debian.
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07:50.50r6kuby default window manager you mean the one you get by mashing enter during install, gnome?
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07:52.15CluelessPersonCan you install debian on chromebooks?
07:52.21CluelessPersonlike are they fundamentally just like PCs?
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07:53.03wingman2CluelessPerson: yes but i don't know how
07:53.07koollmanCluelessPerson: yes. their bios is a bit different. But there are various projets helping to do that
07:53.16r6kuwhich chromebook?
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07:53.36koollmanCluelessPerson: I think the most known one is crouton, which helps installing an ubuntu system while keeping chromeos
07:53.51koollmanbut most linux distributions should work with more or less work
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07:55.20CluelessPersonkoollman, I'm wanting to go full linux on whatever pc I get.
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07:55.30CluelessPersonkoollman, Seriously encrypted/locked down
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07:56.08koollmanthat would probably be more difficult. but possible. but I do not know how. You would need to get a few drivers and binaries from the base chromeos install
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07:57.10Aprendiz1234I have a problem installing dracut in debian jessie due to a conflict problem with linux-initramfs-tool. anyone knows how can I solve the problem?
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07:59.15devslashhow do i manage file associations in gnome
07:59.52aPerfectFemaleCluelessPerson, it's like really really hard to fully luck down linux lol
07:59.52devslashhow do i say open a file with this extension with xterm
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08:02.25CluelessPersonaPerfectFemale, What are you talking about?
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08:04.16aPerfectFemaleCluelessPerson, because you have to compile things yourself, then join mailing lists and get on top of all the latest CVS and updates, and if you are running a web browser then ... there is lots to do to lock that down, and kernels to deal with, selinux, other access controls, rogue suid bits...
08:04.50aPerfectFemaleCluelessPerson, as long as you don't connect it to a network, and encrypt it, then it should be pretty solid, as long as you never let anyone touch your /boot
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08:16.52ZeskHello, when I write dpkg --list I get a package with "iHR" flags, what doest it mean?
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08:17.35Zeskokay, the H is for half installed
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08:18.50Aprendiz1234I have problems booting next renaming a volume group. I have did vgrename, edit fstab and grub.cfg but fails to start. I don't know if I have to don something more. I have read bout using dracut but this package has conflict with initramfs-tools
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08:19.47ChrisHAprendiz1234: did you update initram? I never renamed a boot/root VG
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08:22.13Zeskbut I still don't get the "R", yet.
08:23.00Aprendiz1234ChrisH: For updating initram I have read about dracut but this package has conflict with initramfs-tools.
08:24.22Aprendiz1234ChrisH: I have created a template in Vmware but I need to change the volume group for the different virtual machines. do you know update initram?
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08:25.50Aprendiz1234ChrisH: dpkg-reconfigure?
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08:28.13ChrisHAprendiz1234: update-initramfs    BTW, I name the root vg allway vg00 (as it was needed in HP/UX, where Linux LVM was inspired from)
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08:29.11Aprendiz1234ChrisH: the default name for vg is the name of the machine in a basic debian installation, isn't it?
08:29.39ChrisHthat what the installer suggests, but you are free to provide a different name
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08:32.31Aprendiz1234ChrisH: Thanks
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08:45.13darxmurfhum I can't combine a command in a if []  ?
08:45.22darxmurflike : if [ mount | grep -cE "/data/backup/xray-archives|/netapp/xray" -ne 2 ]
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08:48.08darxmurfif [ $(mount | grep -cE "/data/backup/xray-archives|/netapp/xray") -eq 2 ]
08:48.09darxmurfdone
08:48.11darxmurfsorry :D
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08:55.09ChrisHdarxmurf: if that script get often executed it might be worth using grep XXX /proc/mounts  uses less fork()
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09:01.20rasplhey there
09:02.23rasplsb here who can help me with a problem i have with my samba server?
09:02.35katyuchadon't ask to ask .. just ask :)
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09:04.44rasplnice :D I run a samba server on raspbian. The pi itself runs as i use its irc client right now via ssh. the samba server worked well yesterday but my windows machine cant find it anymore. i restarted samba and the pi but same result. i guess its windows as i did not change anything. is such problem familiar?
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09:09.19katyuchado you try with a smbclient on linux ?
09:09.37katyuchajust to be sure that problem is from windows ?
09:10.25darxmurfChrisH: thanks !
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09:11.25darxmurfthe script is exec once a week maximum :)
09:11.37darxmurfbut I'll use your version anyway
09:11.38darxmurf:)
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09:14.26rasplkatyucha: thanks for the reply. Yes. I also can connect wia sftp. It has to be samba itself. Just Checked its config but thats fine to. It has to be windows i guess. Now the search begins :(
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09:26.39giuseppe_hello everyone.. can somebody advice me some good software to do schemes which is free ? I tried dia... but it sucks...
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09:32.06darxmurfwww.draw.io ?
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09:34.57CissWitwell, www.draw.io is not free in the debian definition: https://www.debian.org/intro/free
09:35.12CissWitgiuseppe_: i simply mostly use inkscape
09:35.44CissWitit's kinda hard to use at the first time and the learning curve is steep, but you end up doing a nice job most of the time and once you have a couple of nice schemes you can reuse part of them easily
09:35.53CissWitit's at least true for me
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09:37.13giuseppe_Cisswit...is there an offline version of draw.io ?
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09:37.47CissWiti don't think so
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09:39.28CissWitmaybe there is actually : https://www.jgraph.com/javascript-graph-visualization-library.html
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09:52.27msnhey a question of opinion, without starting a flamewar, I have to decide on a deployment tool for jessie, xcat or fai
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10:00.17badbodhhello. i'm having audio seeking issues in gstreamer-based-players (rhythmbox, clementine,banshee) , most of the songs, barring a rare few, stop playing when i use the seekbar. had this problem in jessie, and on stretch currently.
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10:00.55badbodhderivatives ubuntu and mint don't have this issue. got any fix ?
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10:02.50aPerfectFemalewhat is the best way to have distributable update system - where my systems, which do not use network boot, can recieve automated updates that i want to pass along to them? differential updates, preferably as low level as the kernel. Be open source. Not sure if rsync meets my requests or if something else could do it better
10:03.23katyuchaaPerfectFemale: a local mirror ?
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10:04.20aPerfectFemalekatyucha, you mean a RAID 1 or .. a local mirror like RSYNC? what's the best way to have a local network mirror?
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10:06.20katyuchaaPerfectFemale: I mean, just create a localmirror on a server. All others have this source in apt/sources.list and come in to update. If you have different localisation, you make different local server
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10:07.17katyuchahttp://www.aptly.info/ <- is a good tool to manage repositories for update
10:07.47aPerfectFemaleoh that is an interesting way to go about this ... that would be a good way to push security updates and scripts...
10:08.24katyuchaYou can make your own repository. Interresting if you make your own deb too
10:10.46ChrisHaPerfectFemale: how many clients are there? apt-cacher-ng might be a simple option
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10:17.34aPerfectFemale2-5 clients
10:18.32aPerfectFemalei think i am going to go with a combination of custom repository and rsync for specific user related files
10:18.46aPerfectFemalersync over ssh
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10:31.20mancomunadocat is breaking texts by merging them all in a unique .txt is there any alternative to unify several txts?
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10:35.22Mathisenmancomunado maybe a an online converter.. cant say if the result gets worse but maybe worth a shot.. example  > http://merge-files-online.com/
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10:37.51gox39hi people, I have retropi installed on my raspberry pi 2 and I'm trying to pair a bluetooth gamepad, here is the link of the controller http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008B9B1HI/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1MEB2X5XE4TSC3766C7H&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=585296347&pf_rd_i=desktop my problem is that I'm having difficulties with autoconnecting it to my...
10:37.52gox39...raspberry pi 2 can someone help?
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10:47.46gox39http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008B9B1HI/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1MEB2X5XE4TSC3766C7H&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=585296347&pf_rd_i=desktop raspberry pi 2 can someone help?
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10:50.07Brigogox39, ask in #debian-de
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10:50.41gox39Brigo: y is that?
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10:50.58Brigogox39, sorry, i don't undestand you.
10:51.13gox39Brigo: y do you want me to change the channel
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10:51.52Brigogox39, that link is from amazon.de, i can undertand it.
10:52.03gox39oh ok
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10:53.11gox39Brigo: it is a bluetooth based gaming controller that can be used with PCs and smartphones. that is all
10:53.30Brigogox39, and the question?
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10:53.58gox39Brigo: I have problems with paring it with my retropi (raspberry pi2)
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10:54.25Brigoare you using jessie?
10:55.34gox39Brigo: kernel version is 3.18.11-v7+
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10:56.31Brigogox39, then the best a can tell you is to try a new kernel with better support for your hardware. Sorry, i must go now.
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10:56.46gox39Brigo: thank you for the help anyway
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11:12.44ChrisHI am seeing problems using kid3 on FS mounted via SMB. kid3 simply stop working while writing, process in stuck in state D in ps. tar cvf /dev/null . in that mountpoint still works. Any ideas on how to continue troubleshooting?
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11:22.34TvL2386hi guys, what 10G cards are preferred for high performance, which would allow for vlans and 802.1q with lacp?
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11:35.45jellyTvL2386: isn't "vlans" and "802.1q" the same thing
11:36.14TvL2386jelly, oh darn... you're right
11:36.57TvL2386I meant bonding instead
11:37.24TvL2386I had problems in the past with Intel cards that would do 10G perfectly until bonding+vlans were introduced
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11:38.29jellymm.  We don't have physical machines with debian and LACP and 10G at the moment, I think, so I can't really give a useful comment
11:38.50TvL2386no worries :-)
11:39.02TvL2386just wondering what other people buy
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11:42.47rootd00di feel like there's a big update coming down the pike.... what is this gcc-5 thing. :)
11:43.20samparUpgraded to Jessie: "No bootloader integration code anymore" Upon dist-upgrade I received a few errors, followed by a blue screen (in the terminal). EXTLINUX. No bootloader integration code anymore. The extlinux package does not ship bootloader integration anymore. If you are upgrading to this version of EXTLINUX your system will not boot any longer if EXTLINUX was the only configured bootloader.. Please install GRUB..
11:44.03samparThe problem is, I'm using EXTLINUX (SYSLINUX) bootloader. Can I expect my system to survive a reboot?
11:44.39danielisamizdat: upgraded from what, exactly?
11:44.52samparwheezy to jessie
11:45.01danieliwhy not switch to grub?
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11:45.35jellysampar: I didn't have a lot of luck with extlinux on jessie, went back to grub-pc
11:45.49samparI'm using USB and my machine cannot boot to GRUB.
11:46.20jellysampar: use syslinux, then.  Do grml.org images boot for you?
11:46.31samparjelly: Ok, thanks. I'm not going to upgrade then.
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11:46.55jellyyeah, it's definitely not a safe thing to do without further testing
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11:48.44samparWaiting this since few months ago.. but still no got same error.
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11:49.51samparThank you guys..
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12:06.06rootd00dhow come sid wants to remove gnome-session? :)
12:06.46jellyrootd00d: it's sid, breakage is expected
12:06.59jelly!debian-next
12:07.00dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net).
12:07.13rootd00djelly: well, it seems planned, is all.
12:07.17abrotmanSo much easier in the days of 'If you're running sid, you figure it out" :)
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12:07.50darxmurfjust found this in apache logs :D
12:07.51darxmurf92.72.163.67 - - [05/Aug/2015:08:57:18 +0200] "GET /Ringing.at.your.dorbell! HTTP/1.0" 403 226 "http://google.com/search?q=2+guys+1+horse" "x00_-gawa.sa.pilipinas.2015"
12:07.53jellythose days are still here!
12:07.54rootd00djelly: like, a staged roll-out of sorts. so i'm trying to assess the impact here.
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12:08.04darxmurfWTF the google referer
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12:08.13abrotmanrootd00d: have you checked the gnome status page?
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12:08.26rootd00dabrotman: well it seems related to gcc perhaps.
12:08.44abrotmanthat's another good possibility
12:08.56jellyrootd00d: just saying, #debian-next over on OFTC would be a better place.  At the very least, there are clues about ongoing transitions in their topic
12:09.16jellyincluding the gcc5 one
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12:10.22rootd00djelly: cool i'll ask there.
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12:31.31SWAThow does the d-i installer use the preseed file? Are the order of the steps in the preseed file important or not at all?
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13:02.42lenswipehey guys
13:02.48lenswipewonder if someone could help me with a RAID question
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13:03.11lenswipeI have two disks in RAID1 (my mobo has RAID0 and RAID1 built in), they are showing up as seperate disks in the installer, should they be>
13:03.12lenswipe?*
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13:04.36TJ-lenswipe: without hardware RAID, yes. BIOS FakeRAID (e.g. Promise FasTrak) or OS software RAID (mdadm) combine multiple physical disks into a virtual device but the OS sees both
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13:05.04lenswipeTJ-, I'm not sure what you mean
13:05.17lenswipeI believe I have hardware RAID
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13:05.26Phil-Worksounds like fake raid
13:05.35lenswipePhil-Work, how do you figure?
13:05.41inchIf you se 2 disks, then the hardware raid is turned off or it's fake.
13:05.46TJ-lenswipe: hardware RAID will not show the underlying devices. Most motherboard 'RAID' is fake
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13:06.06lenswipeTJ-, ah, i see
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13:06.11Phil-Workwhat TJ- said, usually fake if it's on the motherboard
13:06.16lenswipeah, i see
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13:06.53lenswipewell, I'm aiming for a system where I have /home on the RAID1 array and everything else on an SSD(for speed)
13:06.57TJ-lenswipe: real hardware RAID is expensive, generally. Usually has facilities such as battery-backed RAM cache and ability to hot-swap controllers
13:06.58Phil-Workpersonally I'd use mdadm over hardware fake RAID
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13:07.02lenswipethis is possible with debian, right?#
13:07.31Phil-Worksame performance advantage and less tie to the hardware - you can move the disks to another server without too much hassle
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13:08.00TJ-agrees with Phil-Work ... however if the requirement is to support dual-boot with Windows, then using FakeRAID is often the only way to achieve it since both Windows and Linux have drivers for most FakeRaid metadata
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13:08.05lenswipePhil-Work, ah right - so with fake raid it wouldn't work if i moved to another machine?
13:08.11lenswipebtw, it's not a server, it's just my desktop PC, but yeah
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13:08.38Phil-Worklenswipe, not unless it's the same-ish motherboard
13:08.47lenswipeah, i see
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13:08.55lenswipewell I'm considering swapping the mobo at some point, so yeah
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13:09.58lenswipePhil-Work, so how should i go about setting this up? Should I Just install the base system on my SSD for now and then go from there with mdadm?
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13:12.09darxmurfsee you guys !
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13:13.17TJ-lenswipe: I'm reasonably sure the installer supports creating MD arrays but have to admit its a long time since I used an installer - I do it manually nowadays
13:13.18SWATabrotman: okay
13:13.32abrotmanTJ-: yes
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13:14.22lenswipeabrotman, was that a "yes the installer supports creating MD arrays"?
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13:14.27lenswipeor yes to something else
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13:14.52fireba11lenswipe: jup, hte installer supports md arrays :-)
13:15.23lenswipefireba11, ah, okay - thanks! :D
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13:16.44DnXhi all
13:16.58DnXcan i ask about the avserver ?
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13:17.58fireba11lenswipe: currently installer supports md arrays, luks encryption and LVM ... and combinations
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13:18.17SPF!ask
13:18.18dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:20.04DnXwhat packet hold currently the avserver
13:22.34RoyKDnX: libav-tools IIRC
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13:22.44DnXno
13:22.46DnX:(
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13:23.09Brigoavsever?
13:23.17DnXavserver
13:23.34Brigoyes, i meant avserver? :D
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13:23.45DnXyes
13:23.53DnXnot in the libav-tools
13:23.54RoyKDnX: seems it's been kicked out - unmaintained
13:24.08DnX:(
13:24.13lenswipefireba11, presumably i turn RAID off on my motherboard
13:24.20RoyKDnX: use vlc :)
13:24.24Brigohttps://libav.org/documentation/avserver.html ->>WARNING: avserver is unmaintained, largely broken and in need of a complete rewrite. It probably won’t work for you. Use at your own risk.
13:24.35DnXcan i have any alternative methode ?
13:24.42DnXor way ?
13:24.52RoyKDnX: what do you want to do? stream?
13:24.56RoyKvlc can stream nicely
13:25.02DnXyes cam stream
13:25.08RoyK!vlc
13:25.08dpkgVLC media player is a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project.  For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>.  http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html  #videolan on irc.videolan.org.
13:25.18DnXover http
13:25.21RoyKit's not a player - it's a streamer as well
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13:25.29RoyKnot sure if vlc does http streaming
13:25.30DnXi have to use http
13:25.49RoyKit does
13:25.53RoyKgoogle it
13:26.04DnXffserver kicked out to
13:26.11DnXso that not my day
13:26.26RoyKDnX: did you read what I wrote?
13:26.33DnXi try to find something but
13:26.41DnXyes i did
13:26.50RoyKV L C
13:26.59DnXi streamming my security cameras
13:27.09DnXbut the vlc is to slow
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13:27.13DnX:(
13:27.28DnXand can not support the http
13:27.48FemaleGoddesshow do i use sysctl to modify kernel options? grsecurity documentation said i can do this, without having to recompile the kernel, as long as i enabled it, which I did
13:28.12DnXi have 200 client
13:28.33RoyKvlc supports http
13:28.37RoyKas I said
13:28.41RoyKand as itself says
13:28.50RoyKgoes to find something better to do
13:28.51Brigoman sysctl may help, FemaleGoddess
13:29.13RoyKFemaleGoddess: what are you trying to change?
13:29.30DnXok i try
13:29.36FemaleGoddessalso, i am encountering a fatal error when installing grub on a server (my first) with 2 hard drives in a RAID. There are two raids, one for the bootloader, and one for the encrypted LVM. how can I properly install grub in this situation?
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13:30.02RoyKFemaleGoddess: just make sure grub is installed on both drives
13:30.17BrigoFemaleGoddess, uefi or bios?
13:30.18RoyKin the MBR
13:30.24FemaleGoddessRoyK, "Deny access to abstract AF_UNIX sockets out of chroot"
13:30.25RoyK(good point)
13:30.37FemaleGoddessbrigo, the installer keeps telling me uefi, but it should be bios
13:30.48RoyKFemaleGoddess: not sure if that's possible without some serious kernel hacks
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13:30.56FemaleGoddessi tried with the "force" option and without
13:31.32BrigoFemaleGoddess, the force bios mode option?
13:31.36FemaleGoddessyes
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13:32.17Brigothen i guess you have a problem with your bios. Wha MB is that?
13:32.21Brigowhat*
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13:34.21FemaleGoddessoh no... I went from the "install grub" section of the expert install to the Partition Disks section.... now it is telling me to finish or install grub I need to partition disk.... I presume it will ask me to reinstall the base system after that
13:35.14FemaleGoddessno... i did not change any paritions...
13:35.16FemaleGoddesspartitions
13:35.16DnXnot work :(
13:35.22AethenelleAnyone in here good w/ ppc64el and qemu? Deboostrap is failing in the second stage. Originally w/ a syntax error that was fixed by switching ldconfig to use bash but it's still dieing... http://pastebin.com/KdxZ7PY6
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13:36.14FemaleGoddessBrigo, maybe it is because I put my /boot as btrfs instead of ext2?
13:36.16Aethenellenot sure this doesn't have something to do with qemu's emulation of ppc64el. I do know the same process works fine for armhf
13:37.07TJ-Aethenelle: I fixed it last night; see your memoserv messages and the linked bug report
13:37.08BrigoFemaleGoddess, i doubt it. I think grub supports brtfs, anyway it should not change the bios/efi detection.
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13:37.22TJ-Aethenelle: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794737
13:37.24juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/794737 in qemu-user-binfmt (open): «Incorrect (ppc64le) binfmt prevents execution of statically linked executables»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-08-06; last modified: 2015-08-06.
13:37.24AethenelleScore!
13:37.42AethenelleThanks!
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13:38.21DnXthe problem with the vlc its just 1 client only. i need a stream server over the vlc ... (currently the stream server what i only need anyway)
13:38.35RoyKDnX: then find some proper software
13:38.37FemaleGoddessoh come on debian... why can it not detect that i changed no partitions?!?!
13:38.43TJ-Aethenelle: strace helped me spot it, I knew it would eventually :)
13:38.55DnXi have 3 hours
13:39.18RoyKFemaleGoddess: usually linux can't re-read changed partitions if its disk has mounted filesystems
13:39.21DnXand the not opensource alway sucks
13:39.25Aethenellethanks. I've had to do tracing like that before (ruby from a java debugger), i know it's less than pleasant
13:39.52Aethenellethat workaround in the chroot?
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13:40.24FemaleGoddessRoyK, I had a look at my partitions when grub wouldn't install using partition manager and now i need to re-wipe my root partition and reinstall the base system :-(
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13:40.59Aethenellenow all I have to do is figure out why/how my other VMs (x86_64 hosted on vmware) aren't getting network configurations in initramfs
13:41.02FemaleGoddessusing "Partition disks"
13:41.15Aethenellestill have a bunch of stuff to try before i come back for that
13:41.24RoyKFemaleGoddess: tried "grub-install"?
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13:42.39TJ-Aethenelle: no, the binfmt edit is done on the host
13:42.50Aethenellek. thanks again
13:42.58TJ-Aethenelle: but obviously /usr/bin/qemu-ppc64le-static in the chroot
13:43.14Aethenelle:P
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13:43.55TJ-Aethenelle: I'm working on an Ubuntu host so I had to work through some manual hoops to even get the qemu ppc64le to work :)
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13:44.17AethenelleTJ-: that's why i switched to my debian vm
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13:44.55AethenelleI can only image how many people come in here looking for help only to have forgotten to plug it in, so to speak...
13:45.34TJ-Aethenelle: biggest issue for me was figuring what to expect. took me ages to realise I had to create a binfmt manually since that wasn't there at all... If I hadn't had to manually create one to begin with, I'd not have known about the binfmt magic pattern and not spotted the bug
13:46.01Aethenelle....
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13:46.02Aethenelle....
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13:46.40AethenelleThat should have been a clue... I was able to run ldconfig.real directly using qemu-ppc64el-static in the chroot...
13:46.52Aethenellei'll remember that for next time
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13:46.57Aethenellethanks again
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13:48.33FemaleGoddessgrub-install /dev/mda0 failed ------ grub-install /dev/sda failed
13:49.30FemaleGoddessi'd put it on a floppy but i removed the floppy drive thinking i'd never need it
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13:53.17BrigoFemaleGoddess, is Secure boot or fast boot enable?
13:53.34FemaleGoddessin the bios?
13:53.52BrigoFemaleGoddess, yes
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13:54.33Brigosomething is preventing writing to disk
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13:55.28FemaleGoddessso... you're saying the bios is preventing me from writing to the mbr
13:55.52BrigoFemaleGoddess, i am guessing that.
13:56.03FemaleGoddessassuming that is the case, the only way to fix this is to finish the installation without the bootloader, fix the bios settings, then install grub
13:56.19FemaleGoddessalright, sounds straight forward enough
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14:17.21rdzhey all. i am running Jessie on an OpenVZ container and since recently, i get immediately disconnected when ssh'ing to that host. usually, i can log in again a few moments later. i can't see anything in auth.log or syslog and I don't know where to look
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14:17.44rdzi tried both, logging in with public key or with password, the issue is the same (when it happens)
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14:28.46John[Lisbeth]alright I have got a raspbian filesystem flashed to an sd card under /dev/sdb
14:28.50John[Lisbeth]I want to chroot into the root of that
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14:30.14John[Lisbeth]I'm just unsure what path to feed into chroot
14:32.31mtnJohn[Lisbeth], what partition is the root partition on sdb?
14:32.59John[Lisbeth]Not sure since /dev/sdb isn't a "folder"
14:33.23John[Lisbeth]Googling a way to list the partitions in /dev/sdb at the moment
14:33.30mtnJohn[Lisbeth], what does lsblk tell you about partitons?
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14:34.37John[Lisbeth]http://sprunge.us/UJKP
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14:35.05John[Lisbeth]I think /dev/sdb2 is root
14:35.07mtnJohn[Lisbeth], so it looks like sdb2
14:35.30John[Lisbeth]Yeah. it's weird though cause the device is supposed to be 32 gig. That's an issue for a different room though.
14:36.01John[Lisbeth]so I'd go mount /dev/sdb /mnt/raspbian ?
14:36.24mtnJohn[Lisbeth], or just to /mnt, I think
14:36.48mtnJohn[Lisbeth], and you would want sdb2, not sdb
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14:42.10FemaleGoddessalright i'm pretty close to stabbing my computer in the face
14:42.40John[Lisbeth]Ok I have it mounted properly
14:42.53John[Lisbeth]Now I am trying to chroot into /mnt with the program /mnt/bin/bash
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14:43.18John[Lisbeth]so I am trying sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
14:43.27John[Lisbeth]it says: chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format error
14:43.28FemaleGoddessso i used gpt instead of msdos.... so that is why I can't install grub. no mbr partition apparently
14:44.07FemaleGoddesshow can i.. create an mbr partition in fdisk?
14:44.33John[Lisbeth]FemaleGoddess The first thing you are going to want to do if you have the time and the storage is to flash an image of your disk in case anything goes wrong.
14:44.38petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: Are you running a 32bit kernel, and the user space is 64 bit?
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14:44.53John[Lisbeth]FemaleGoddess: but that's only if you have sensitive files you care about if they get deleted on the disc
14:44.54knivstahi
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14:45.09FemaleGoddessJohn[Lisbeth], this is a clean install
14:45.10John[Lisbeth]petn-randall: I am running a 64 bit kernel, but I think the filesystem I am chrooting into is 32 bit
14:45.27John[Lisbeth]FemaleGoddess: And are you trying to install debian and windows side by side?
14:45.36FemaleGoddessJohn[Lisbeth], no
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14:46.18John[Lisbeth]FemaleGoddess: could you refresh me on the issue from the beginning?
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14:47.10mtnFemaleGoddess, is your bios set legacy or uefi?
14:47.43FemaleGoddessmtn, legecy but debian install detects it as uefi
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14:48.14FemaleGoddessnot that installing it with --no-install-uefi makes a difference
14:48.16mtnFemaleGoddess, if it is legacy, the mbr is there and should be easy to install using the defaults
14:48.47John[Lisbeth]I'm gonna have to back out of this one. I have no experience with the newer bios styles.
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14:49.27mtnFemaleGoddess, how are you doing your install? which installer/iso?
14:49.30John[Lisbeth]So if I am on a 64 bit filesystem and I am chrooting into bash on a 32 bit filesystem, that's a problem, yes?
14:49.42FemaleGoddessmtn, would writing     cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdb     to the drive destroy the mbr? because if it would, it did
14:50.07zinxJohn[Lisbeth]: not if you have things set up right - i even chroot from an amd64 system in to a 32-bit arm system!
14:50.11mtnFemaleGoddess, no idea, I have never done anything like that
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14:50.38petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: It shouldn't be, no.
14:50.50petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: What is the output of 'uname -a'?
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14:52.19John[Lisbeth]unhttp://sprunge.us/dLOY
14:52.24mtnFemaleGoddess, the default settings have always worked for me installing on any kind of system
14:52.48John[Lisbeth]Sorry the un does not belong before http
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15:02.13MeatPopsicleSo anyone have any prefrences for MATE vs LXDE vs XFCE? trying to decide(again)
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15:02.49petn-randall!survey
15:02.49dpkgsurvey is, like, Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey.  Ask the question that you want to ask.
15:03.11petn-randallMeatPopsicle: You can install all of them side-by-side, try them all out and decide for yourself.
15:03.17John[Lisbeth]I am pretty sure the error is indeed caused because the sd card has got 32 bit binaries and I am on a 64 bit system
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15:03.52MeatPopsiclepetn-randall That I did not know
15:04.34petn-randallMeatPopsicle: As long as you have a login manager, you can pick the DE from that before logging in.
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15:05.23MeatPopsiclemaybe ill try that
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15:06.13John[Lisbeth]Well you guys I am going to boot into a 32 bit live environment and try from there
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15:06.18John[Lisbeth]If I don't come back it worked
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15:08.37bedahhi, deboostrap error here, "failed to determine the codename for the release". i dd'ed an usb stick with netinst i386, any tips?
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15:10.21bedahgonna try debian live next.
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15:11.14Brigobedah, you have to tell debootstrap what release you want
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15:11.50bedahi clicked through standard installation
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15:12.14lenswipehey guys
15:12.18bedahthere was no dialogue which asked for a release
15:12.23lenswipePhil-Work, yo, you still around?
15:12.49Phil-Workyeh
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15:13.35lenswipePhil-Work, so, i've setup my software RAID in the debian instaler, the only question I have now is that I want to put /home on the RAID1 devices and everything else on an SSD (for performance reasons)
15:14.19Phil-Workok
15:14.36Phil-Workyou can do that in the installer
15:14.37lenswipePhil-Work, from now on, in the installer should i partition the RAID1 device and just ignore the individual disks?
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15:14.59lenswiperight now the RAID1 device is set to "Do not use", presumably i want to parition that as an ext4 journaling file system
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15:18.03lenswipePhil-Work, and presumably i want the / parition on my SSD and bootable?
15:18.30Phil-Workyeh
15:18.38Phil-Workthe RAID setup in the Debian installer is a bit fiddly
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15:18.52Phil-Workyou need to create a bunch of partitions on each disk and mark them for use as RAID
15:19.01Phil-Workthen create the relevant RAID volumes
15:19.09lenswipeyeah i sorted all the RAID stuff out, I think
15:19.11Phil-Workthen assign uses to the RAID volumes
15:19.21lenswipei have /home on my RAID volume, / and swap on the SSD
15:19.26lenswipeand then free space on the SSD
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15:19.52lenswipei feel like having swap on the SSD is a good thing
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15:20.33Phil-Workit is, yes
15:20.54lenswipeso, I'm all set?
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15:23.11John[Lisbeth]I think I figured it out guys
15:23.21John[Lisbeth]I finally realized that the debian that raspbian uses is arm, not 32 bit
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15:23.29petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: ...
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15:23.45danieli.__.
15:23.46petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: Good catch.
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15:24.10petn-randallJohn[Lisbeth]: Raspbian isn't Debian, though.
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15:32.05Skyekk22So i'm using a debian based hybrid-iso to live boot on a usb. Unfortunately, the distro on the usb isn't able to see my wifi drivers by default so i must install them manually each time i bootup. Is there a way to prevent this?
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15:32.50mtn!based on debian
15:32.50dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:33.27AethenelleTJ-: did you also file a bug for ldconfig itself using bash syntax?
15:33.38Skyekk22Thank you
15:33.57Skyekk22So let me rephrase the question
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15:34.06TJ-Aethenelle: No; it shouldn't need it should it?
15:34.11Skyekk22is there a way to inject drivers of some sort into my iso?
15:34.18TJ-Aethenelle: I didn't see any errors in that regard
15:34.19Skyekk22I know it's a live cd, so there isn't any persistence
15:34.24Skyekk22erm a live usb rather
15:35.10Aethenelleisn't the original error due to that? Syntax error: "(" unexpected
15:35.36John[Lisbeth]Raspian isn't a true distribution of debian, true
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15:35.57John[Lisbeth]But the only real difference is that it's adapted for arm, and it has a custom desktop environment
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15:36.24John[Lisbeth]I understand if you don't want to support raspbian
15:36.26abrotmanit's not Debian, end of story
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15:36.51centrxJohn[Lisbeth], It can be a rabbit hole supporting other distros. It's similar until it's not
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15:37.08John[Lisbeth]Heh yeah
15:37.19John[Lisbeth]If I had realized the arm filesystem would have been an issue I wouldn't have asked you guys
15:37.40TJ-Aethenelle: no... it's because the ppc64le executable isn't recognised as a binary, so the shell tries to execute it and gets hopelessly confused
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15:37.53John[Lisbeth]thanks
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15:37.57Aethenelleahh... k
15:38.18TJ-Aethenelle: that's what caused me to get so mislead over the cause
15:38.26Aethenelleditto
15:38.29Aethenellethanks again
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16:07.20centrx!ask
16:07.21dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:08.50Bombois it possible to upgrade libgl1-mesa-glx to 10.6 using jessie? it may fix a bug i have with default 10.3
16:09.38centrxBombo, No, probably wouldn't work because Mesa is enmeshed in the whole X ecosystem
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16:16.48Bombois there a command that shows the current libgl1-mesa version in use?
16:17.17Bombo(not dpkg -l|grep libgl1-mesa)
16:18.03nkuttlerBombo: what's wrong with that command?
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16:18.50nkuttler,v libgl1-mesa
16:18.51juddNo package named 'libgl1-mesa' was found in amd64.
16:19.17Bombonkuttler: that shows the installed version, not the one a prg is using, which may differ if one messed something up ;)
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16:19.51nkuttlerreboot
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16:23.05Bombois there a command that shows the path on the deb repo of the libgl1-mesa-glx package?
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16:23.45Bomboi'm connected to the ftp, but i don't see it in main/libg*
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16:29.01Bombook its in main/m/mesa according to https://packages.debian.org/de/sid/libgl1-mesa-glx
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16:30.16Bomboisn't there a dpkg command that shows the path?
16:30.43ztanehow can I configure in /etc/network/interfaces so that eth0 will have *both* static IP *and* an IP from DHCP (latter if only a DHCP server answers)? Using jessie
16:30.49jhutchinsHow else can you determine a Debian release if lsb_release isn't installed.
16:31.00centrxBombo, It would be under "pool"
16:31.09BrigoBombo, apt-cache show shows it.
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16:31.34jhutchinsOoh, /etc/debian_version - 3.1
16:32.29Bomboah Filename: pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-glx_10.3.2-1_amd64.deb
16:32.43Bombothx Brigo
16:32.50BrigoBombo, np :)
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16:33.40BrigoBombo, just remember different versions of the package can be in differents path
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16:33.50RoyKjhutchins: sarge? :D
16:34.10Bombook bug fixed, i just downloaded libgl1-mesa-glx_10.6.3-1_amd64.deb and it just also wants libglapi-mesa_10.6.3-1_amd64.deb, but these two fixed the problem ;)
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16:34.51RoyKBombo: using Sid packages in stable can lead to a real mess
16:34.52BomboBrigo: what? looks like all versions are in one dir, just different filenames
16:34.53mdimhi everyone!
16:35.08BomboRoyK: doesn't look messed up ... yet ;)
16:35.23BomboRoyK: messed down, because it fixed a bug
16:35.26RoyKBombo: good luck :)
16:35.31mdimdoes anyone know how to update an email account password in Evolution?
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16:36.07mdimI deleted it from the keyring, but Evolution isn't really responding in the expected way by asking me to provide a password
16:36.21BrigoBombo, security updates are in other server, for instance.
16:36.31mdiminstead, it displays a status icon indicating it cannot synchronize the account
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16:37.11BomboBrigo: oh right...
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16:40.06droopyHi
16:40.28droopyI am trying to download apache 2.2.16, but 'apt-get install httpd=2.2.16' returns 'Version not found'
16:40.36droopycan anyone help me pls
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16:41.56centrxdroopy, The package name is 'apache2'
16:42.02TJ-droopy: check what is available using "apt-cache policy <package>"
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16:43.13Brigo,v apache2
16:43.15juddPackage: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.22-13+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; stretch: 2.4.12-2; sid: 2.4.16-1
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16:43.28droopyTJ-: Thank you
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16:43.58Brigodroopy, it is available only from squeeze repositories.
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16:46.38churndi'm trying to set up unbound on debian 8 & i'm noticing that stop or restart doesn't actually stop or restart the process
16:48.39churndit leaves the prior process running
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16:49.11centrxchurnd, How did you set it up?
16:49.21churndapt-get install unbound
16:49.50cwong_on_ircany pdsh users here? i am trying to run pdsh -g webserver uptime (but because these are ec2 hosts, we have diff user/key setup in our .ssh/config file. and pdsh doesnt seem to understand that.
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16:50.43centrxchurnd, the services stop/restart should work...
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16:51.00tootheI am trying to setup a VNC server, currently trying tightvnc. I keep getting a gray screen.
16:51.02churndcentrx yea but they don't seem to... process remains running
16:51.03tootheany ideas?
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16:51.16droopyI want to download PHP 5.2.17, but 'apt-cache policy php5' only shows 5.3.3-7. Does this mean I can't download PHP 5.2?
16:52.18centrxtoothe, tightvncserver?
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16:53.10nullthegreyHi all, I'm having a hell of a time getting openvpn client to work in Debian 8.1. I just installed this box, installed openvpn, am now trying to connect to my Access Server using `sudo openvpn --client client.ovpn` and it says Init Sequence completed, but after that it's like I'm not connected to a network. No pings, no browser, nothing.
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16:53.21nullthegreyanyone have luck with openvpn in debian?
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16:53.49toothecentrx: yes.
16:54.09toothecentrx: per my googling, it might be because I'm using KDE ?
16:54.11nullthegreythe openvpn config file I'm using works on phones and windows clients, but not in debian, not sure what I've done wrong.
16:54.18centrxtoothe, using xtightvncviewer as client?
16:54.21centrxtoothe, I don't know, it should still work
16:54.27tootheyeah...i tried a few clients.
16:54.34tootheit basicallyc onnects, but displays as a gray window
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16:54.36centrxtoothe, You can also try vnc4server as the server instead of tight
16:54.39toothei'm currently on a mac, but the machine is running debian.
16:54.52toothehonestly, i don't really care which I run...
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16:56.20toothelet me try apt-get install vnc4server
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16:57.03toothealright, installed....
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16:58.06tootheyeah so vnc4server has the same issue
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16:59.15toothegah, same issue
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17:01.05Bombotoothe: but you have a mouse cursor?
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17:01.32tootheyeah, an X
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17:02.04Bombotoothe: if you start an xserver you'll have to run a window manager too ... and stuff ;)
17:02.23Bombotoothe: you just see the plain x server
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17:03.24Bombotoothe: do you really want a vnc server? seperate X server? or do you want to connect to the current running X server at :0
17:03.48tootheBombo: maybe the latter?
17:03.54toothei just want to screen the full screen, not a single app.
17:03.58Bombotoothe: use x11vnc
17:04.27toothehm...before I switch solutions, I see 3 checkboxes
17:04.41toothe"Accept clipboard from viewers" "Send clipboard to viewers" and "Send primary selection to viewers"
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17:05.16dugglesumm, the PDF version of the release notes for jessie seem to have had some sort of encoding error https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes.en.pdf
17:05.25dugglesanybody know where i can get a clean version?
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17:06.26Bombotoothe: cool ;)
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17:09.14toothewhat's the difference between a vnc server and x11vnc?
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17:10.01Bombotoothe: x11vnc is a vnc server, but it runs for the current X server, try it out, just run x11vnc on the X server, or even via ssh (with -auth) to start a server for the current running X server
17:10.29tootheyeah, it runs just fine...
17:11.55toothei guess I don't understand the difference between what you just said...and "regular" vnc
17:12.05Bombotoothe: other vnc servers start their own X server, like :1
17:12.33tootheohhhhhhhhh
17:12.36toothethat would explain it!
17:12.51Bombotoothe: so you would need to configure that first, to start openbox and stuff to display windows
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17:13.25Bombotoothe: you can have completely independent X servers running on one machine...
17:13.32tootheright...that woudl explain why it looked like an unconfigured X session.
17:13.35tootheX server.
17:13.40toothethe X mouse...that makes sense.
17:13.43tootheokay well..this works now.
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17:13.56Bombogreat.
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18:09.02ZeuZCould someone link me to a tutorial on how to configure postfix to send from my domain to another?
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18:09.17ZeuZI'm starting from scratch because something seems to be wrong
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18:14.41x86iachave you looked at the main.cf and master.cf
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18:16.26ochiottesZeuZ: What exactly do you mean? Postfix as a relay server and another server sends the mail instead?
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18:18.10ochiottesZeuZ: Or just the ordinary smtp server?
18:18.44ZeuZI just found out my problem.. somehow when I restarted the VPS last time, resolv.conf was emptied
18:18.56ZeuZso I just added google's nameservers and it started sending
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18:29.13x86iacdon't use googles nameservers
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18:30.15x86iacmight as well have spare house keys made at 'google key making kiosk'
18:30.48x86iacand when the guy says we need a copy of your key for our file - just say okay
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18:32.10RockjQ: using debian sid, how do I deal with libstdc++6 breaking libboost-date-time1.55.0 which  breaks my system? :')  Is it possible to downgrade libstdc++6 so I can install gnome-shell, libreoffice etc again?
18:32.55RockjIt seems to be in a transitioning phase where it will take some weeks to build 3000 packages.. if I understand https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00044.html correctly.
18:33.47x86iacRockj: what specific error are you getting?
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18:35.48Rockjx86iac: libstdc++6 : Breaks: libboost-date-time1.55.0 but 1.55.0+dfsg-4 is to be installed
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18:36.55Rockjso basically I cannot install any packages which ends up with a transitive dependency towards libboost-date-time1.55.0 which refuses to install due to libstdc++6
18:37.04docmurIs there away to pass a login shell to use over ssh?  I did something rather bone headed and put screen & at the end of my .zshrc so now I can't login
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18:37.46greycatRockj: sounds like an unstable/testing thing.
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18:38.19Rockjgreycat: it is - as mentioning in my question; I'm using debian sid.
18:38.50greycatRockj: then you should be able to solve it yourself, or ask in #debian-next on OFTC
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18:41.39TheCreeperdocmur: You could send a command over ssh without starting a shell. ssh user@host "mv .zshrc .zshrc.bck"
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18:42.34Rockjgreycat: ah, thanks. I'll try #debian-next on OFTC, and I know my issue is a long shot :/
18:42.35droopyHey guys when using vim, I press the esc key to get out of inserting text, but instead it copies what I wrote about 100 times instead
18:42.40droopywhy does this happen?
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18:44.16Rockjdocmur: do anyone else have access to the box with root? if so they could change your login shell to bash so you can login in and fix your .zshrc . (not the answer you were looking for tho)
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18:45.06Rockjdocmur: does shh foo@bar 'tail ~/.zshrc' work ?
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18:45.52Rockjdocmur: ssh -t hostname "bash"   ?
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18:48.14x86iacdroopy: stop doing y100y
18:48.31droopyx86iac: What's y100y
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18:50.07RoyKdroopy: <esc> doesn't do much - y or Y yanks lines, p pastes them
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18:50.16Lopehttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/31860665/lxc-eating-100-cpu-on-all-cores-with-debian-wheezy-guest-on-wheezy-host
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18:50.28RoyKdroopy: :wq or :q! (the latter for not storing)
18:50.29Lopecan anyone help me with this?
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18:51.20droopyRoyK: If I am editing a document via the 'i' command, then 'esc' should be the key to escape entering more text
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18:51.42droopyRoyK: Instead it takes the text I have just entered and repeats it... I'm going to say 50 times
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18:52.29RoyKdroopy: it doesn't
18:52.30x86iacLope: 100 cpus? wow ,,, nice
18:53.01x86iacdo ps -efw   to see what is running ... or top
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18:53.03RoyKdroopy: pressing esc goes back to command mode from where you can do command mode stuff
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18:54.26Lopex86 in my question I've shown that sbin getty is eating all the CPU on the host
18:55.34droopyRoyK: I can confirm this is not the case. In addtion, the up key results in output 'A', down is 'B', right is 'C', and left is 'D'
18:55.39droopyWhat could this mean?
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18:56.03RoyKdroopy: did you run vimtutor?
18:56.20droopyHave I run "vimtutor" in the cli? No
18:56.25detergnetdroopy: make you you hit <esc> before entering insert mode; most likely you've hit some digit keys before entering insert; 3iha<esc> results in hahaha
18:56.49RoyKdroopy: start with that
18:56.49droopyI see
18:57.10RoyKdroopy: arrow keys don't work on all terminals
18:57.30RoyKdroopy: vimtutor takes half an hour or so to go through, but it's worth it
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18:59.38x86iacsbin getty?  someone trying to automate hack/login into your machine? how many logins are open?
19:00.48x86iacdroppy apt-get install vim vim-gtk
19:00.56Lopex86 if you just read the link you wouldn't need to ask so many questions that are a bit off.
19:01.11Lopethere are only 4 processes, each eating a whole core.
19:01.11x86iacLope: fix your own nonsense then
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19:01.24droopyThanks RoyK
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19:01.43RoyKdroopy: np
19:01.45LopeIt's a known bug for Jessie, with a workaround that works for Jessie. But I'm running debian and the Jessie workaround doesn't work.
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19:04.52tworkhowdy all. have just installed the bind9 update; dpkg reports the patched version; but because named itself still reports the upstream version, $boss wants to see an exercise of the bug fail for sure. i've looked for demo code and so far haven't found any. anybody know where to look?
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19:06.51droopyHow do install php 5.2.17?
19:07.15droopyThe earliest available version visible via 'apt-cache policy php5' is 5.3.3
19:07.30droopyI need to simulate an upgrade on my production server
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19:10.17phoggdroopy: do you need that exact version? I see on archive a 5.2.6
19:10.29droopyIt needs to be exactly that
19:10.41droopySo I can tell if a website blows up when I upgrade it to 5.3.2
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19:12.30RoyKdroopy: is the server physical?
19:12.58droopyNot my test environment where I plan on installing PHP 5.2.16
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19:13.04RoyKdroopy: if it's a VM, just clone it and upgrade and test
19:13.05droopyJust a VM
19:13.27droopyThe website is not a VM but on a physical server
19:13.36droopyCan you clone it under those circumstances?
19:13.58RoyKrsync works
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19:14.24RoyKor vmware converter is what I use
19:14.36RoyKbut that's vmware specific AFAIK
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19:15.37teamcoltraSo I have like 300 folders that are arranged authorname/booktitle/ebook.epub I would like to eliminate all the author name folders and just bump the book titles up one level... is there an easy way to do that?
19:16.35RoyKteamcoltra: the rougue way would be "mv */* ."
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19:17.12teamcoltraRoyK wouldn't that move the contents of the subfolder into my current folder?
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19:17.31greycatYes.  That wouldn't remove the empty "authorname" folders.
19:17.32RoyKteamcoltra: it would
19:18.02RoyKteamcoltra: just cd /were/the/books/are and run that
19:18.09teamcoltraRoyK or rather my question is lets say I am in ~/ wouldn't that mean I would have a bunch of ~/book.epubs
19:18.15teamcoltrainstead of ~/title/book.epub
19:18.25greycatNo.
19:18.46greycatIt will move booktitle1/ and booktitle2/ and so on.
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19:19.29RoyKgreycat: removing empty folders is rather easy
19:19.46teamcoltrasomething like "find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \;" ?
19:19.52teamcoltra(a top google result)
19:20.00greycat"rmdir *" would suffice since it will fail for any nonempty ones
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19:21.26teamcoltralol new issue: mv */* . -bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long
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19:26.04NikeshMy team mate told me to run this, but it seems to be misformatted, can anyone see where? $ sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite” install go-golang
19:27.20jellyNikesh: one of your quote characters isn't ASCII
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19:27.49jellythe shell can't parse ” as double quote, only "
19:28.00Nikeshjelly: Ah, I didn't see! :D Thank you
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19:53.12rockfruitI have a server running wheezy.  Wheezy uses libxslt-1.1.22.  I need to update to libxslt-1.1.26 or 1.1.28... but if I pull the libxslt from, eg, jessie, apt-get wants to upgrade libc, postgres, and some other things that make me nervous.  How can I get a newer version of libxslt to be installed on the server?  Should I step outside of apt?
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19:53.50greycat,v libxslt1.1
19:53.51juddPackage: libxslt1.1 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.26-6+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 1.1.26-6+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.1.26-14.1; stretch: 1.1.28-2+b2; sid: 1.1.28-2+b2; jessie: 1.1.28-2+b2
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19:53.57centrx!ssb
19:53.57dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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19:54.23rockfruitoh hi.  if I thought I was confused before, well now I'm confused.  let me go get my ducks in the right order.
19:54.31greycatIn this particular case, wheezy *does* have 1.1.26 which he says is sufficient
19:54.36rockfruitindeed.
19:54.49rockfruitI should always call it "my wheezy".
19:55.07SPF,versions rtorrent
19:55.09juddPackage: rtorrent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.6-1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.9-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 0.9.2-1; sid: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.2-1; experimental: 0.9.4-1
19:55.16greycatIf wheezy's version were too old, then the next thing to check for in judd's output would have been a wheezy-backports version.  If that didn't exist either, then the !ssb factoid would be relevant.
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19:55.32rockfruitthanks, greycat.
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19:56.04no_gravityCan wget or curl or some other tool in the debian repos break down the time of an http request into dns/connect/data?
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20:00.11x86iacrockfruit: what is your apt-get update cli?
20:00.28rockfruiteither apt-get, or aptitude.
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20:02.20no_gravitylooks like firefox has a nice tool for it. it comes up when you press ctrl+shift+q
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20:02.27tehrabbi1tanyone here famliar with ISPConfig?
20:02.40tehrabbi1tor why it suddenly stopped working after rebooting my server?
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20:08.47cap3llais there any tool available that I could install on Jessie and Gnome3 (gnome-shell + nemo file browser) that allows me to "rotate" a photo quickly within right-click + context menu ?
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20:10.05abrotmancap3lla: eog I think?
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20:10.41cap3llaabrotman: through context menu ?
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20:11.00abrotmanI don't have it in front of me
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20:11.07abrotmanwould prefer keyboard commands .. but to each their own
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20:11.14cap3llawithout opening ANY tool? I mean, I am within nemo file browser and see the thumbnails of my folder. Then I choose one or several pictures, right-click on them and choose "rotate to left/right"
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20:11.40abrotmancap3lla: oh, you want it in the file browser?
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20:12.35cap3llaabrotman: I want it as described. I know several ways to rotate pictures :) that's not the issue. I want the user to be able to rotate quick and easy through right-click onto the photo within the nemo file browser and there in the pop-up context-menu choose "Rotate" command
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20:22.24MeatPopsicleanyone ever have DD mess up the file it was copying? trying to make an ubuntu bootable drive and I run dd of=/path to iso if=/dev/sdb and when its done the original iso is 7.8gb(from ~1gb), anyone know how to fix this or if im doing something wrong
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20:22.59greycatif is "input file", and of is "output file"
20:23.04rselonMeatPopsicle: if=input file of=output file
20:23.12MeatPopsicle-__________-
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20:23.17rselondarnit greycat -_-
20:23.18MeatPopsicleseriously...
20:23.26MeatPopsiclechrist im not a smart man
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20:23.58MeatPopsiclethought dd of meant copy of for some reason
20:23.58greycatUnix can be cryptic, but this one's actually easy to remember.
20:23.58rselonMeatPopsicle: could be worse, dd is nicknamed diskdestroyer for a reason
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20:24.34MeatPopsicleI used it fine a week ago but i guess something got switched in my head
20:25.48MeatPopsicleshort term memory ftw
20:26.03at0mman ftw
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20:26.37x86iacat0m: info ftw
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20:27.04at0mcrazy. all OS self-documented!
20:27.07MeatPopsiclehow in the hell did I forget that in a few days time?
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20:31.16kolomboyou can always download that original iso again, don't you?
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20:32.18x86iacproblem is not with iso
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20:38.01kolombois it not? I think he copied sdb to iso, which caused the iso become a larger file
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20:39.26greycatAnother thing that many people don't know about dd is that if= and of= are *optional*.  dd will copy stdin to stdout if you omit them.  You can just use dd < foobar.iso > /dev/sdb
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20:39.44greycatBut it's traditional to do it the other way.
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20:51.51c-101Hello there
20:52.02centrx!hi
20:52.03dpkghello, centrx
20:52.09c-101Where is the documentation related to systemd and polkit in the latest debian stable ?
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20:53.51greycatthere's some in /usr/share/doc/systemd/ of course... and "man systemd" plus all of its "SEE ALSO"s
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20:55.04centrxc-101, ^
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20:56.16x86iacwhen will they remove systemd?
20:56.32centrxx86iac, What have you heard?
20:56.39greycatWhy would they remove it?
20:56.52c-101well... i have to say the documentation is pretty poor
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20:56.57c-101specially regarding polkit
20:57.31Hydroxidex86iac: Debian 8 still supports using sysvinit rather than systemd as the init system if you prefer, but the default for Debian 8 is final. Nothing has been decided for Debian 9 yet though I see no reason right now for Debian to revise its decision
20:57.34greycatI don't even know what polkit is.
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20:57.57Hydroxidepolkit is rather underdocumented I agree - though systemd's documentation is actually one of its strong points
20:58.08c-101it's an authorization API
20:58.23c-101i want to disable non-root users to shutdown the system and it is hell to archieve
20:58.37c-101no matter what i attemp, gnome still is able to shutdown the system :/
20:58.54greycatDo you mean gdm3, or a logged-in gnome session?
20:59.00c-101logged-in
20:59.08HydroxideI don't think systemd requires polkit, but it's probable that gnome does, yeah. I expect the answer you want is something obscure and xml-y
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20:59.48c-101systemd... i can manage... but polkit..... :/
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21:03.37Paterusshould I install i386 or amd64 version of debian?
21:03.40x86iacis there a pam entry for polkit?
21:03.47centrxPaterus, What CPU do you have?
21:03.49x86iacor systemd?
21:04.01c-101a pam entry ? what do you mean x86iac ?
21:04.01Paterusicore7 and phenom ii x4
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21:04.35greycatI would use amd64 for those; you can always run i386 programs on an amd64 installation, but you cannot run amd64 programs on an i386 installation.
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21:05.21Paterusgreycat: good knowledge
21:05.51Paterusgreycat: should I donwload the iso or the bbt hybrid
21:06.06greycatIt depends.  I use the net install ISO images.
21:06.23jellygreycat: you can, however, install an amd64 kernel on i386, and run mostly i386 userspace with chosen amd64 bits if you wished to
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21:06.50jellyso the "you cannot run amd64 programs on an i386 installation" isn't correct
21:06.52centrxPaterus, You probably want amd64 unless you have limited RAM for some reason
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21:07.39Pateruscentrx:
21:07.53jellyjudd: version linux-image-amd64 --arch i386
21:07.54juddPackage: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63
21:07.57Pateruswhich desktop enviroment would you recommend me I like the ubuntu 10.04 like
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21:08.15x86iacc-101: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/pam_systemd.html
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21:09.03centrxPaterus, Looks like Ubuntu 10.04 default desktop environment was Gnome, which is also the default desktop environment in Debian
21:09.23centrxPaterus, You can also use KDE, XFCE, LXDE, cinnamon, mate, openbox,...
21:09.26petern_damn, monodevelop in jessie is so full of bugs :(
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21:09.27greycatI'm not sure you can honestly say Debian has a "default desktop environment".
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21:09.44Walex2Paterus: MATE? Cinnamon?
21:09.46greycatGNOME does seem to be a common choice, but it's all a matter of personal opinion.
21:09.59Walex2Paterus: they are the nearest to the Ubuntu 10 default
21:10.18PaterusWalex2: k I'll see a video and decide
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21:11.15x86iacfluxbox works good with debian
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21:12.57cxd13are there any package update notifiers in debian aside from gnome's update-notifier?
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21:13.02cxd13i don't want the gnome dependencies
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21:13.42greycatYou can subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list.
21:13.54centrxyeah that's the serious method
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21:14.39cxd13that's more work than just checking manually
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21:15.04cxd13well, maybe not
21:15.16greycatIt wouldn't be terribly hard to subscribe with a dedicated email address that receives nothing else, and have it pop up a GUI notification whenever you get an email in that inbox.
21:15.21centrxyeah it's more like a global notification
21:15.40centrxcxd13, What desktop environment do you use then?
21:15.42cxd13i guess that's not a bad idea
21:15.43cxd13thanks
21:15.49cxd13centrx: kde
21:15.51centrxe.g. KDE might have its own update notifier, I presume
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21:16.05centrxbut e-mail is for serious sysadmins
21:16.21centrxhttps://www.google.com/search?q=kde+update+notifier+debian
21:16.31cxd13i don't see one for kde in debian repos. there's muon which is what kubuntu uses but debian doesn't package it
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21:17.57centrx:)
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21:18.43x86iaccentrx: gopher for serious++++ sysadmins
21:18.45cxd13update-notifier-kde , cool, but it looks like it's in wheezy and sid but not jessie
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21:19.11centrxoh bummer
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21:20.25cxd13sid and wheezy both have the same version of it too, 1.2.4
21:20.30cxd13wonder why jessie doesn't have it
21:20.41mesdoes someone understand the network init functions? I need to know where "$IFACE" is set
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21:20.52centrxcxd13, packages.qa.debian.org/update-notifier-kde
21:21.35centrxcxd13, it's not actually in unstable, what's listed is only for m68k, ancient dead architecture
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21:22.21centrxcxd13, something wierd with the package lists / ftp repository
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21:23.35cxd13oh ok
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21:28.50JikanHi! That's the first time I want to use ptrace on debian (jessie) and… I get a "bash: ptrace : command not found" error o_o I infer that it's not installed (!) but then, in which package do I find it?
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21:30.21cxd13found one called apper that may work for me
21:30.45jellyJikan: isn't ptrace just a syscall?
21:30.47centrxJikan, ptrace is a C system call, not an executable, right?
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21:30.54petern_how do people use snort in debian these days? :S
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21:33.29tikundI'm skim a lot of what I read... and I just read that as how do people snort debian, the missed the big part of the question, how is it used
21:33.30tikundlol
21:33.55petern_:p
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21:35.41tikundI need to reinstall debian on my server, Windows 2k12 is driving me nuts
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21:35.54tikundso much data to transfer.... ugh
21:36.00centrxpetern_, oh looks like snort was removed from jessie - https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2014/11/msg00406.html
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21:37.13petern_centrx, quite
21:37.46centrxpetern_, You can do a source backport, or get it from upstream
21:37.52centrxdpkg, tell petern_ about ssb
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21:39.15petern_sure, building it now anyway
21:39.36petern_lack of debian security updates is a problem
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21:40.22Jikanjelly, centrx: you're right. My mistake, what I was looking for is strace -p -_-
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21:42.52Doxinso I'm trying to get my gpu to work with opencl, so I installed amd-opencl-icd and fglrx, but the clinfo tool still doesn't show my gpu. it should be supported, it;s a Radeon HD 6800. what is going wrong here?
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21:43.59c-101i finally found the problem,... a pkla file i wrote had a syntax error and was reported nowhere
21:44.01c-101:/
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22:03.26Paterushey guys
22:03.49Pateruswhat is the program installed on this video that shows the climate temps on the desktop
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22:06.51centrxWhat video
22:07.48centrxPaterus, Might be called a "Gnome applet"
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22:09.06TwoFemaleFishalright, I just used a usb drive to install debian with an encrypted RAID1 LVM on a computer
22:09.43TwoFemaleFishwhen I get to the point where I enter my decryption password, my USB keyboard stops being detected
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22:10.06TwoFemaleFishis this because I used a targeted driver install for the kernel?
22:11.31Paterusthis video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7tInU3fgcM
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22:11.45Paterusand it also shows the temperature of the cpu
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22:26.10mergeI started using xterm and I want to change the color, but everytime I reboot my machine the colors go back to default. How do I fix this?
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22:27.30format_cmerge how did you change the colors of xterm?
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22:29.07somiajmerge: two basic methods: 1) Modify the command you use to launch xterm to include the color options on the command line. You can also use .Xresources or xrdb and set up defaults for xterm, which are all listed in the manpage
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22:29.52mergeformat_c: I created a file .Xdefaults in my home directory and typed in there "XTerm*Background: black XTerm*Foreground: blueviolet and XTerm*font: 9x15"
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22:31.40format_ctry xrdb -merge .Xdefaults
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22:32.20mergeformat_c: I did but it still goes back to white text on black background
22:33.01format_cMhh I'm searching on my machine  as I have done it the same way and it retains the settings
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22:33.20tikundI haven't messed around with many of the new computers w/ EFI, I just created a usb thumbdrive to boot using EFI, but I am getting an error "The selected boot image did not Authenticate" what exactly does that mean
22:33.42Skyekk22hmm question out of curiosity, so I was reading though the debian handbook and say that echo is apart of inetd and should be disabled for security purposes. It's not talking about echo in bash right? xD
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22:34.15format_cSkyekk22, Who uses echo these days?
22:34.17mergeformat_c: My machine is a virtual machine, could that be why?
22:34.34format_cI'm just firing one up to test.
22:34.58Skyekk22format_c: echo $helloworld
22:35.11x86iacthe question should be who uses inetd these days
22:35.12Skyekk22format_c: seriously? I use it all the time in my rookie bash scripts...am i missing something ;o
22:35.22x86iacdifferent echo
22:35.27Skyekk22x86iac: Ohhh thank god
22:36.02c-101Skyekk22,  echo is a network service that just repeats what receives for debugging purpouses
22:36.05Skyekk22x86iac: Yeah, they recommend disabling it and that it was only initially created to compensate for old kernel decifiencies
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22:36.20Skyekk22Okay thanks for clearing that up guys :)
22:37.19c-101it is a _really_ old thing
22:37.55c-101May 1983, it seems
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22:38.23format_cmerge, I can reproduce on my VM
22:38.37x86iacSkyekk22: if you must use some service from the inetd days there is a more 'modern' xinetd substitute
22:38.38format_ctrying to find the trick on my normal machine
22:38.54mergeformat_c: I guess my VM hates me
22:39.12format_cNono my VM hates you too
22:39.13format_c:-D
22:40.35c-101even my VMs hate a  merge .... :D
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22:41.10x86iacfingers format_c
22:41.42mergeI am sad now all the VMs hate me
22:41.46arahaeltikund: Your BIOS needs to have the security relaxed.
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22:41.57arahaeltikund: Go into the BIOS and try to turn off everything related to security.
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22:42.40arahaeltikund: While you're there, you'll notice that the manufacturer has already put in certain keys.  Your image needs to be signed aganist those, I believe. (Which is next to impossible)
22:42.56arahaeltikund: So, you have to disable the security instead.
22:43.03tikundarajael: I just did that actually
22:43.11c-101or use the signed grub thing that redhat made
22:43.15format_cmerge, which WM do you use?
22:43.23mergeformat_c: Vm player
22:43.29arahaelc-101: Wasn't aware they made one.  Are they the same keys?
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22:43.35format_cmerge, Window Manager
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22:43.51c-101aparently, they got microsoft to sign a very basic grub loader
22:43.55mergeformat_c: I use openbox
22:44.00c-101it just acts as a bypass for the EFI security
22:44.04tikundarahael, thanks for explaining some of how it works I was curious what keys were stored in the EFI/BIOS and whatnot
22:44.32arahaelc-101: Nice.  I do wish it was easier/documented how to use the MS bootloader for this.  I have the feeling that it should be sufficciently capable by now.
22:44.39format_cmerge so you have a ~/.xinitrc?
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22:44.49c-101meh... i don't trust microsoft for anything
22:44.51c-101:/
22:45.08mergeformat_c: No I do not
22:45.45arahaelc-101: I reckon they're about the same as the other systems - including the BIOS.
22:45.55c-101in fact, it's the people of ubuntu who got the first stage loader signed by microsoft
22:46.12arahaelc-101: How would you know if Intel got a backdoor for their CPU's or bridges?
22:46.26arahaelNice
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22:46.32c-101i don't trust intel either
22:46.33c-101:D
22:46.47arahaelpat-pats c-101
22:46.57c-101unfortunately, at some point, you just have to be pragmatical
22:46.58c-101:/
22:47.18c-101is pragmatical an english word ? (not english speaker here)
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22:47.33format_cmerge, OK now I know why. I use XFCE. It has a systemwide xinitrc file that is being interpreted every time the sessions starts. There it checks for a $HOME/.Xdefaults file and merges it using xrdb -merge right then the xsession starts.
22:47.38format_copenbox doesn't
22:47.43format_calso lxde doesn't
22:47.58arahaelc-101: It's just 'pragmatic'.
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22:48.07c-101aha, pragmatic, thanks :D
22:48.09mergeformat_c: Could I make that file
22:48.13arahaelc-101: Though I don't understand why that word doesn't end in 'al', that would make sense.
22:48.32c-101apparently, it also does :D
22:48.33arahaelc-101: As we do have 'praticality', 'pratically', and the like.
22:48.42format_cI don't know much about openbox. ~/.xinitrc is typically only interpreted if you use startx AFAIK
22:48.45c-101according to a dictionary i an reading right now
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22:48.55pycoderfanyone here familiar with setting up moinmoin
22:49.02format_cusing a login manager s.a. GDM or Slim doesn't utilize this file
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22:49.25c-101apparently both spellings are correct
22:49.31mergeformat_c: Does Gnome have ~/.xinitrc
22:49.31c-101english is a hell of a language :D
22:49.41arahaelc-101: It may be region-specific, or you may be using an archiac form.
22:49.59arahaelc-101: It has been said that the majority of english speakers are in india. ;)
22:50.06x86iacenglish is just modern german
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22:50.22pycoderfi cant seem to find one solid document to installing this. most are for ubuntu which is different
22:50.24arahaelx86iac: With a bit of anglo-saxon mixed in. :) Don't forget that.
22:50.30Paterushello
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22:51.27PaterusI want to know if in order to use dd the sdc partition has to be in ext4 fs or fat32
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22:51.30Paterusquick
22:51.44arahaelformat_c: I've had a bitch of a time trying to figure out the ~/.xsession, ~/.xinitrc, and the like, while lightdm + e17 never touched them.
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22:52.07arahaelPaterus: dd is agnostic, as is cp.  Actually, just use cp.
22:52.20format_carahael, so you can enlighten us?
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22:52.26Paterusarahael: butt
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22:52.32arahaelPaterus: Use dd if you need to use a specific block size, count, skip, or the like.  Otherwise cp is likely to be better.
22:52.49arahaelformat_c: I ended up registering my script as an 'app' and puttin git into e17's startup.
22:52.55Paterusarahael: but using dd will extract my image to theusb wouldn't it
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22:53.06arahaelPaterus: So would cp.
22:53.08Paterushow will debian load from the usb just copying the imae
22:53.27Paterusso type cp=and image file
22:53.31format_cmerge, how do you start openbox? Which Desktop Manager (GDM, XDM, Slim, KDM, ???) do you use?
22:53.44arahaelPaterus: dd, like cp, copies an input file to an output file. That's it, really.
22:54.04x86iacarahael: and important swedish words like smorgasbord  ;)
22:54.05arahaelPaterus: There's nothing else that's really special about them. We're using unix here. Everything is a bag of bytes.
22:54.23arahaelx86iac: :)
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22:55.05mergeformat_c: I have it set as my my default when login, I have it set up at openbox only
22:55.17arahaelPaterus: This is unix's greatest strength. (And one of it's failings), btw.
22:55.50mergeformat_c: Is there anyway I could have .bashrc run .Xdefaults on start up
22:56.17format_c.bashrc doesn't help as it is only executed everytime bash is being launched
22:56.24format_cyou need it at session startup
22:56.27format_cxsession
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22:56.55mergeformat_c: How would I do that
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22:57.49somiajif you use a display manager you should be able to select eh openbox session.
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22:59.03format_cmerge, append it into the ~/.config/openbox/autostart file: "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults"
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23:00.32mergeformat_c: So I insert xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults inside ~/.config/openbox/autostart
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23:01.06format_cyes
23:01.16mergeAwesome
23:01.23format_cDon't know if it works
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23:02.28mergeformat_c: I have one problem I don't have autostart
23:02.36x86iacmerge: what is in yor .Xdefailts?
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23:03.06mergex86iac: "XTerm*Background: black XTerm*Foreground: blueviolet and XTerm*font: 9x15"
23:03.10format_cmerge, created it
23:03.17format_cI just tested it. It worked for me
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23:03.58format_cx86iac, ".Xdefailts" doesn't exist (yet) :-) . .Xdefaults: plenty of stuff. u're really interessted?
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23:04.20x86iacmerge: you want the xterm colored?  just make an bash alias 'xterm' that calls /usr/bin/xterm xterm -sl 3000 -sb -rightbar -fn 7x13 -b 3 -bg black -fg white
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23:05.24x86iacdo it in your .bashrc
23:05.30mergex86iac: I have it colored I just need it to stay colored on reboot
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23:05.58mergeI will be right back Have to restart my vm to see if it works
23:05.58x86iachow are you starting your xterm on 'reboot'
23:05.59format_cx86iac, as I said. the drawback of this approach is that bash need to be run for at least one time by your user.
23:06.10format_cbefore you launch xterm
23:06.20format_cwhich is kind of a chicken / egg issue
23:06.43x86iaclogging in runs bash
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23:10.19mergeformat_c: It did not work
23:10.20x86iacyou could also put the xterm color code on a function key
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23:12.43format_cmerge please nopaste "cat ~/.config/openbox/autostart"?
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23:14.33mergeformat_c: It says ~/.Xdefaults
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23:15.37format_cPlease append "xrdb -merge "
23:15.53format_cso that it forms to  "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults"
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23:16.17mergeformat_c: Okay
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23:17.12mergeI shall be back
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23:17.45T0P_Hello
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23:18.03MyrlErr... where do I get terminfo entries
23:18.35MyrlI'm SSHing to my server, and I get terminfo problems
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23:18.56MyrlShould I just `put` it from my host machine?
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23:20.22format_cTOP_: hi
23:20.30x86iac/usr/share/terminfo/*
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23:21.01x86iacwhat exactly is your error?
23:21.08mergeformat_c: IT WORKS
23:21.43mergeformat_c: Thank you so much format_c
23:21.51format_cmerge, congratulations
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23:25.29Myrlx86iac: That's the problem, it's lacking some things.
23:25.29Myrlx86iac: I don't have entry for rxvt-unicode-256color and my other terminals.
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23:26.10detergnetMyrl: apt-get install ncurses-term
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23:26.38Myrldetergnet: Thanks!
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23:31.38arahaelHow do I do copy&paste in the debian UI?
23:31.45arahael^c and ^v aren't working in e17.
23:31.56abrotmanhighlight, middle click
23:32.17shay_shayhuhu
23:32.21x86iacdoesn't just 'scooping' with left mouse then pasting with middle mouse work?
23:32.24arahaelabrotman: Without having to enable three-button emulation, which I've always found sucky. :/
23:32.37arahaelAs I've only got a crappy 2-button touchpad.
23:32.38zykotick9arahael: alternative to above.  highlight, then shift+INS
23:32.54arahaelzykotick9: You're a champ!
23:33.14x86iacpressing both at same time is middle mouse
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23:33.48arahaelx86iac: Is three button emulation on by default?
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23:34.12abrotmanyes
23:34.12arahaelx86iac: Because if so, then the touchpad doesn't seem to support multitouch!
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23:34.48arahaelSo, I guess it's shift+ins for me, then, which is cool.
23:34.50menacehow can i see build-dependencies of a package?
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23:35.34x86iacshould be - you need to add to xorg.conf for buttons 4 and 5
23:36.01arahaelx86iac: I have a crappy touchpad. There's no way I have buttons 4&5.
23:36.24arahaelInfact, I'm tempted to make a keybinding to enable/disable the touchpad. It's that bad.
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23:36.48x86iac4 and 5 are scroll wheel - i think that is moving finger on touchpad?
23:37.17arahaelx86iac: I seem to have run out of words to explain just how crappy the touchpad is? ;)  No scrolling.
23:37.26x86iacyou can add it on the right side
23:37.52x86iacisnt it a synaptics? what does lshw show?
23:37.53arahaelx86iac: If I had a halfway decent touchpad, perhaps, yes.
23:38.01arahaelx86iac: It's most definitely not synaptics.
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23:38.11x86iactony's touchpad then? ;)
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23:39.05arahaelx86iac: It's the touchpad of an Asus x205 laptop.  No idea what tony's touchpad is.  Perhaps it's Chichony?
23:39.17arahaelChicony, rather.
23:39.37x86iactonys was a joke - chicony it is
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23:40.22arahaelWhich apparently supports multitouch, but not with x11's drivers.
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23:40.46arahaelMy biggest issie with it is it's so darn sensitive.
23:41.28x86iacthere is an xorg.conf option     Option "AccelFactor" "0.045"
23:41.46x86iacthat should slow the sensitivity
23:41.47arahaelNo, I mean, I feel like I don't have to even touch itfor it to register a click.
23:42.16x86iacoh that is for movement of mouse pointer with moving finger
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23:43.17x86iacif you have a ps/2 port used computer stores have $1 mice - (or $3 for usb mice)
23:44.39arahaelMaybe in america.  But I did once get a $5 mouse for us, whcih was cheap.
23:44.43arahaelFor *usb
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23:45.30arahaelBut the objective of this system was portability, and I really don't use the mouse all that much.  Pretty much limited to copy&paste, or in this case, just copy, it seems.
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23:46.28arahaelMore serious issue is disabling standby.  Which, as best as I can see, is really difficult.
23:46.45x86iacunload the kernel modules?
23:46.53x86iaclid button?
23:47.09arahaelx86iac: The acpi modules?  But I want the battery reporting and other PM stuff. Just not standy or hibernation.
23:47.10x86iacor are you talking bios?
23:47.25arahaelDon't think I have a lid button.
23:47.46arahaelThough the hardware thinks it has a lid button, but doesn't seem to exist in reality
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23:48.00x86iacjust the closing of the lid
23:48.07arahaelDoes nothing. :)
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23:48.47arahaelBut if you click on the button "standby", or otherwise explicitly  initiate standby, then the system deadlocks.  You have to press and hold the power button for about half a minute.
23:48.52chris_goeHi. I'm using 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke...' to re-mount /tmp as 'exec', which works fine. But I also want to use it to re-mount /boot as 'rw' - but only if I install a packaged named 'linux-image*' - so that the mountcount of /boot doesn't increase unnecessarily. Is such a conditional use of DPkg::Pre-Invoke possible?
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23:53.42chris_goeI could not find it documented in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz - but I was wondering had found a way to do it.
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23:58.42arahaelHmm.  Where should I grab the dropbox deb from?
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23:59.59chris_goearahael: https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx   ?

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