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| 00:00.07 | RoyK | xvilka_: but certain countries like the US and Russia and China tend to have their own meanings about licenses. |
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| 00:01.38 | xvilka_ | RoyK: yup, not in this case though. They are declining the fact their FlyDM is based on KDE 3, pretending it is their completely proprietary product, written from scratch |
| 00:02.22 | xvilka_ | RoyK: worst case scenario, and local laws doesn't protecting such kind of violation |
| 00:02.29 | RoyK | xvilka_: hehe - reminds me of when windows 2000 was released "90% rewritten code" |
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| 00:02.55 | RoyK | and then all the bug reports came out |
| 00:03.13 | xvilka_ | RoyK: technically, renaming variables and functions can help :D sed ftw |
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| 00:04.51 | blackflow | hinet... now that's a spammer right there :) |
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| 00:05.38 | at0m | pycoderf1: stretch is |
| 00:05.47 | at0m | oops was PgUp'd |
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| 00:07.11 | docmur | Does anyone know what package contains the role definitions for seLinux, I'm looking for sysadm_r |
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| 00:08.06 | xvilka_ | btw, since I'm here, are there any updates on looking dead Hardened Debian project? |
| 00:08.46 | xvilka_ | that one http://www.debian-hardened.org/ |
| 00:08.51 | pycoderf1 | i wonder how much i will break listing my repos as testing |
| 00:09.34 | at0m | !tell pycoderf1 about testing |
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| 00:11.55 | chainsaw10 | can someone recommend a good notetaking app that's in the Debian repository? (Intended use is for college courses) |
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| 00:15.38 | ryouma | chainsaw10: hnb (i am assuming you want a dedicated one) |
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| 00:19.05 | arahael | chainsaw10: I just use markdown, and your preferred editor. |
| 00:19.16 | arahael | chainsaw10: And on android, markdrop with dropbox. |
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| 00:19.40 | chainsaw10 | ryouma: thanks for the reply, much appreciated. Just took a look at it, and I'm a tad concerned that it hasn't been updated since 2003. Thanks anyway. |
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| 00:20.51 | arahael | chainsaw10: Mature software need not be updated regularly. This isn't windows. :) |
| 00:20.57 | arahael | (Or mac, for that matter) |
| 00:21.05 | chainsaw10 | arahael: I've thought about it. I'm thinking I might need to insert images or something at some point. I guess I might end up with a Markdown editor. |
| 00:21.28 | arahael | chainsaw10: markdown sucks with tables, though. When I was at uni I used lyx. |
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| 00:21.42 | chainsaw10 | for notes? |
| 00:22.05 | arahael | chainsaw10: My notes during first-year were... comprehensive. |
| 00:22.45 | chainsaw10 | I've thought about using IPython or Sage for notes in calculus. Last time I used LaTeX, I used Vim... I should probably give lyx a try. |
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| 00:24.25 | CharlotteFields | any one know of a lowerlevel edit of parition tables than fdisk? |
| 00:24.51 | chainsaw10 | arahael: thanks for the suggestions |
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| 00:25.30 | beowu1f | what is the best method of creating a debian 8.1 usb boot disk that support UEFI? |
| 00:25.57 | arahael | beowu1f: unetbootin. |
| 00:26.09 | arahael | beowu1f: Used it myself. |
| 00:26.28 | r6ku | no |
| 00:26.31 | r6ku | !unetbootin |
| 00:26.32 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 00:26.32 | ryouma | chainsaw10: some people use text editors |
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| 00:27.20 | chainsaw10 | ryouma: that's probably what I'll end up with |
| 00:27.47 | beowu1f | arahael, I tried using unetbootin but i cannot get into the default usb grub boot section? |
| 00:27.56 | beowu1f | !usb install |
| 00:27.57 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 00:29.20 | arahael | beowu1f: On my system I had to press esc approximately 3 milliseconds after the device booted, before the windows bootloader started |
| 00:29.25 | beowu1f | arahael, ok i just tried good dd and i'm now further ahead. woohoo |
| 00:29.59 | beowu1f | arahael, wow.. 3 ms... your good! |
| 00:30.12 | arahael | Seems you're not using UEFI, then? |
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| 00:30.43 | arahael | Heh. I actually pressed esc while booting, to be honest. :) |
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| 00:33.24 | beowu1f | arahael, how do you deduce from using dd that im not using UEFI? |
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| 00:36.43 | beowu1f | would you guys recommend attempting a debian install with an existing win8 system? what are the chances of total failure? |
| 00:37.26 | at0m | beowu1f: can you free up disk space for debian? got a spare partition? |
| 00:37.39 | Equa | low. always backup before an upgrade / installation though |
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| 00:38.42 | beowu1f | Equa, true |
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| 00:39.40 | beowu1f | you guys must see my new laptop i just purchased. SAGER 9773-S from XOTIC PC |
| 00:39.44 | beowu1f | epic stuff |
| 00:40.02 | beowu1f | $2000, but i would of paid 3.. |
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| 00:41.17 | beowu1f | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT4tZZSWems |
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| 00:45.01 | allure | hey guys... by trying to install pigz, got a message that said I had to upgrade udev... udev needs the kernel upgraded... but apt is now stuck on this message (http://paste.debian.net/290189/) and won't let me upgrade. how do I fix this? Thank you |
| 00:45.14 | guest53392 | I'm stumped and google isn't helping. I keep getting a "./scripts/gcc-version.sh:line 25: -gcc: command not found" but build-essential/gcc is installed. |
| 00:45.28 | guest53392 | trying to build a linux 4.1.4 kernel, get that from using the make command |
| 00:46.32 | guest53392 | allure: try apt-get -f install |
| 00:46.38 | allure | I did... same thing |
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| 00:47.01 | allure | and you could try dpkg-reconfigure build-essentials |
| 00:47.03 | allure | :D |
| 00:47.11 | allure | not sure it'll work, tho |
| 00:47.18 | guest53392 | oh thanks, good idea :) |
| 00:47.22 | allure | p |
| 00:47.23 | allure | np |
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| 00:47.57 | guest53392 | same thing too, no change :D |
| 00:48.07 | allure | :( |
| 00:48.16 | allure | apt-get install --reinstall build-essentials ? |
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| 00:48.23 | allure | maybe ? :) |
| 00:48.30 | guest53392 | allure: try installing an updated kernel? |
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| 00:48.55 | allure | yeah, but I need apt for that, since apt-get upgrade would solve the issue |
| 00:49.07 | allure | and I cant use apt-get install since it asks me to use -f install once again |
| 00:49.14 | guest53392 | i don't think apt-get upgrade updates a kernel on it's own |
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| 00:49.58 | CarlGel | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
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| 00:50.23 | guest53392 | this is my error message. reinstalled gcc, installed build-essential: https://paste.debian.net/290190/ |
| 00:50.31 | Brigo | allure, how do you upgrade udev? |
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| 00:50.37 | SolarNRG | hi |
| 00:50.58 | allure | Brigo, I'd upgrade it with apt |
| 00:50.59 | CarlGel | um, Guest18959, could you give me the script? |
| 00:51.09 | CarlGel | I think I know the issue, but I want to take a look |
| 00:51.11 | Brigo | allure, from where? |
| 00:51.24 | Brigo | allure, are you using jessie, testing, sid or what? |
| 00:51.40 | SolarNRG | i wanna ditch windows is debian any good? |
| 00:51.53 | SolarNRG | so many linux flavors, sell me debian |
| 00:51.54 | allure | Brigo, Debian 8.. jessie, right? |
| 00:52.03 | CarlGel | SolarNRG do your research |
| 00:52.07 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: https://paste.debian.net/290191/ |
| 00:52.08 | CarlGel | there, sold. |
| 00:52.36 | Brigo | allure, ok, then how do you update udev, there is only one udev version in jessie. |
| 00:52.57 | kernelconfused | SolarNRG: if you're going directly from windows, i'd probably not jump directly to debian, unless you don't mind a learning curve |
| 00:53.05 | allure | system was upgraded from debian 7 with apt-get dist-upgrade, so I guess it still has the old udev for some reason |
| 00:53.18 | Brigo | SolarNRG, that is a support channel, ask google. |
| 00:53.27 | allure | Brigo, udev's version is at 175-7.2 right now |
| 00:53.29 | CarlGel | hm, odd |
| 00:53.35 | SolarNRG | it's almost as old as slackware, first released 94, still being updated 8.1's the latest distro only 2 months old, got a good support base why should I use your os instead of ubuntu, mint or arch? |
| 00:53.36 | Brigo | ,v udev |
| 00:53.37 | judd | Package: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u1; stretch: 222-2; sid: 224-1 |
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| 00:54.07 | Brigo | allure, then you are not using jessie, i guess. |
| 00:54.07 | CarlGel | kernelconfused, what exactly are you trying to compile? |
| 00:54.15 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: linux 4.1.4 (kernel) |
| 00:54.22 | Brigo | allure what kernel version does your system have? |
| 00:54.23 | CarlGel | right, okay. |
| 00:54.52 | allure | Brigo, well, /etc/issue says Debian 8.. :-) the kernel was on hold for some reason.. I was not the admin of this machine before... kernel is 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:55.13 | Brigo | ,v kernels |
| 00:55.15 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64. |
| 00:55.20 | kernelconfused | ,v linux-image |
| 00:55.20 | Brigo | ,kernels |
| 00:55.20 | CarlGel | kernelconfused you're compiling the x86 arch ? |
| 00:55.21 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 00:55.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
| 00:55.31 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: yes, i686 system (pentium 2) |
| 00:55.35 | CarlGel | ah, I see |
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| 00:56.03 | Brigo | allure, as you can see there is no such old kernel in debian wheezy. |
| 00:56.24 | allure | Brigo, yeah... will I have to upgrade it manually instead of apt? |
| 00:56.54 | Brigo | allure, i only can see a mess, i cannot tell you how to solve that. |
| 00:57.08 | allure | Brigo, that makes two of us :-) |
| 00:57.09 | Brigo | what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 00:57.44 | allure | most of it is deb http://debian.pop-sc.rnp.br/debian/ stable main |
| 00:58.03 | CarlGel | I'm not sure, kernelconfused, sorry. Perhaps ##linux could be of help? |
| 00:58.05 | allure | also deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 00:58.21 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: np, thank you for trying o help :) |
| 00:58.27 | allure | Brigo, squeeze-backports! |
| 00:58.32 | allure | hehe |
| 00:58.41 | CarlGel | actually, kernelconfused, are you compiling in a chroot? |
| 00:58.49 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: nope, as root, no fakeroot even |
| 00:58.58 | Brigo | allure, yes, a saw, i am just wordless. |
| 00:59.13 | CarlGel | right, I'd recommend trying to use a chroot to compile it. I always go to a chroot if something is giving me issues |
| 00:59.16 | allure | Brigo, I guess that now I know the reason the last admin quitted :-) |
| 00:59.18 | srvk | Hi guys, does anyone know a way of turning off my dedicated gpu for when I'm running on integrated? |
| 00:59.29 | CarlGel | weird tings can happen sometimes, kernelconfused |
| 00:59.31 | kernelconfused | CarlGel: how would I do that? |
| 00:59.45 | Brigo | allure, it could perfectly be :) |
| 01:00.30 | kernelconfused | allure: what do you get when you type in apt-get install linux-image? |
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| 01:00.38 | Brigo | i think your system is a some point between squeezy and jessie, and you cannot upgrade from squeezy to jessie. |
| 01:00.49 | Brigo | it will not work. |
| 01:01.05 | Brigo | i would try to upgrade to wheezy and then to jessie. |
| 01:01.07 | allure | kernelconfused, the same error for udev |
| 01:01.10 | CarlGel | kernelconfused, I have not compiled a kernel under chroot, I think there are some different rules when doing that, sorry. |
| 01:01.17 | Brigo | with backups, of course :) |
| 01:01.27 | kernelconfused | yeah, I tried upgrading from debian 4.0. in the end it didn't work and I reinstalled :) |
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| 01:04.38 | allure | Brigo, yeah, to phisically get to the machine |
| 01:05.00 | Brigo | allure, well, upgrade is very funny too :) |
| 01:05.11 | maxdml | o/ |
| 01:05.30 | maxdml | please, is there a way to reconfigure the BIOS after a pxeinstall, to boot on the hard drive? |
| 01:05.47 | maxdml | otherwise it seems that I'm going to see an endless pxe install cycle :p |
| 01:05.50 | Brigo | maxdml, of course, you can access it on boot. |
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| 01:06.17 | Brigo | i meant fisically, not by network. |
| 01:06.27 | maxdml | Brigo, I'd like to have his automated for the hundreds of nodes I have :/ |
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| 01:06.41 | kernelconfused | allure: wget http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae_3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3_i386.deb && dpkg -i linux-image-3.16.0*.deb |
| 01:07.12 | allure | kernelconfused, are you sure this will work? :-) |
| 01:07.32 | Brigo | maxdml, stop the tftp server? |
| 01:07.35 | kernelconfused | it does for me, no guarantee it will for you though :) |
| 01:07.51 | Brigo | allure, i am sure it will not work |
| 01:07.53 | kernelconfused | do you have physical access to the machine (if it doesn't reboot properly, can you select the old kernel?) |
| 01:08.02 | allure | well... now I am confused haha |
| 01:08.19 | Brigo | allure, you will need to install all jessie, systemd, libc6, etc. |
| 01:08.53 | maxdml | Brigo, that's an idea...but the issue is that all the nodes are not going to end their install at the same time... so by the time the last one would be done, maybe some already installed node would be in the process of installing (again), and thus shutting down the tftp server would leave one or several nodes in an inconcistent state? |
| 01:09.27 | allure | yeah... I guess I will sed stable for wheezy and upgrade from there |
| 01:09.38 | Brigo | maxdml, may be you can block ports? |
| 01:09.41 | allure | if that doesnt work, I'm downloading debian :-) |
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| 01:09.54 | allure | to reinstall |
| 01:10.24 | maxdml | Brigo, like, once the post install scripts have been downloaded, just ban the node's ip? |
| 01:10.25 | Brigo | allure, i could help if you uninstall all that you dont really need and reinstall it later. |
| 01:10.41 | maxdml | that's an idea, but the issue is that I'd still have the node trying to pxeboot endlessly |
| 01:10.46 | Brigo | maxdml, or the port itself, but you cannot do it at boot. |
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| 01:11.02 | allure | Brigo, I think I can handle it, but .. let's see...Thanks for the offer, though :) |
| 01:11.13 | Brigo | allure, good luck, then :) |
| 01:11.19 | maxdml | another idea could be to explicitly don't ask for reboot, and just shutdown the node, then do a wake on lan on the cluster |
| 01:11.19 | allure | Brigo, thanks mate ;) |
| 01:11.26 | sussudio | https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/37724/ does this cause OOM or something? |
| 01:11.43 | Brigo | allure, you are wellcome :) |
| 01:11.48 | allure | ;) |
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| 01:12.12 | Brigo | maxdml, yes. |
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| 01:13.13 | sussudio | i see i'm getting a new kernel with apt-get update... does this mean it's already fixed? |
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| 01:13.58 | maxdml | nerf but the WoL doesn't reconfigure the BIOS ^^ |
| 01:14.04 | x86iac | will the debian timezone package update to the new north korean time zone? |
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| 01:15.36 | Brigo | sussudio, check the changelog |
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| 01:15.59 | ryouma | x86iac: isn't that usually done with deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib? |
| 01:16.12 | ryouma | (for all of our nk debian user :) |
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| 01:18.27 | sussudio | i'm guessing that's a no. |
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| 01:19.59 | x86iac | ryouma: would be a good way to 'know' who they are so they can more easily be blocked ;) |
| 01:20.46 | ryouma | x86iac: oh, didn't realize they were an issue |
| 01:20.49 | x86iac | that is if they actually know how to change their clocks .... man date is kinda complicated ;) |
| 01:21.27 | x86iac | in the top 6 of ssh brute attempts |
| 01:21.33 | ryouma | ok |
| 01:22.18 | ryouma | i doubt they'd do stuff without changing tz back though ;) |
| 01:22.37 | x86iac | ssshhh they don't need any help |
| 01:23.01 | x86iac | ryouma: have you ever set up a honeyd? |
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| 01:23.32 | x86iac | it is really amazing what is going on |
| 01:23.35 | beowu1f | does anyone know if the Debian 8.1 DVD1 has the possibility of installing KDE or GNOME from just this dvd only? |
| 01:24.01 | x86iac | beowu1f: if it doesn't it isn't had to do it from sources.list |
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| 01:24.09 | x86iac | doesn't take to long |
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| 01:25.49 | beowu1f | x86iac, my other issue is that the CD1 that i've used does not load drivers for my wifi card. im hoping the dvd1 will contain these |
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| 01:26.43 | themill | beowu1f: they will be the same |
| 01:27.29 | allure | if I have 2.6.32-5-686 as a kernel but the machine is x64 (tested with grep -o -w 'lm' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u and got lm back), can I upgrade the kernel to linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 ? |
| 01:27.50 | beowu1f | themill, surely linux comes with std wifi drivers these days? |
| 01:27.54 | x86iac | what is the wifi? get them with the computer you are on now and put them on a floppy (i sell 5 1/4" floppies if needed) or usb and then you will be set to go |
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| 01:28.30 | x86iac | still no such thing as std wifi drivers |
| 01:28.43 | at0m | beowu1f: debian does not ship non-free firmware. |
| 01:28.57 | at0m | it would render the whole DVD non-free |
| 01:29.12 | x86iac | it is easy to get the non-free firmware from debian site |
| 01:29.19 | at0m | but not on DVD |
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| 01:29.47 | at0m | you need to enably non-free in sources.list |
| 01:29.51 | at0m | enable even |
| 01:29.52 | x86iac | not on dvd or DVD? |
| 01:30.01 | SolarNRG | just to let you guys know I tried to install debian 8.1 and during the installation I had no response from either the mouse or the keyboard, I am disgusted at your latest release and I shall not be using your operating system |
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| 01:30.24 | allure | if I have 2.6.32-5-686 as a kernel but the machine is x64 (tested with grep -o -w 'lm' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u and got lm back), can I upgrade the kernel to 3.16.0-4-amd64 ? |
| 01:31.44 | beowu1f | x86iac, at0m, themill, ok great guys thanks a lot i will take a look at the site and get the non-free drivers and endevour further |
| 01:32.47 | x86iac | allure: you will probably be better off doing a full installtion? |
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| 01:33.12 | allure | x86iac, this is the plan for after the weekend... for now, I need to leave things running, that's all :-) |
| 01:33.31 | themill | dpkg: tell beowu1f about firmware image |
| 01:33.34 | x86iac | the weekend begins in 2 hours? ;) |
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| 01:33.51 | beowu1f | i'm hoping that the DVD1 install image is UEFI capable just like the CD1 image was |
| 01:34.12 | beowu1f | I see the LiveUSB version of debian is not UEFI bootable... wierd |
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| 01:34.31 | beowu1f | you'd think that would be the most UEFI supported |
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| 01:37.00 | Patero-ng | can someone tell me how to load debian from a virtualizacion on windows 7 so I can install it to a usb stick |
| 01:37.13 | at0m | beowu1f: there's no use downloading the DVD after the CD .iso. do you have a network connection? |
| 01:37.20 | at0m | (on that machine) |
| 01:37.28 | x86iac | beowu1f: isn't uefi a dead thing ? |
| 01:37.51 | beowu1f | themill, i'm looking at the non free CD netinstall image info now.. |
| 01:38.04 | beowu1f | themill, so can i catually boot of this image? |
| 01:38.21 | themill | it should be uefi capable |
| 01:38.24 | at0m | beowu1f: if you have network, just install from repositories. if you don't, just put the .deb's or firmware you need on a stick |
| 01:39.05 | beowu1f | at0m, ok cool lets take a look! |
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| 01:44.11 | x86iac | brave guy |
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| 01:46.10 | beowu1f | x86iac, what do you mean dead thing? its on every pc since 2012.. not? |
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| 05:02.18 | sussudio | http://superuser.com/questions/287371/obtain-kernel-config-from-currently-running-linux-system |
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| 05:15.43 | Patero-ng | why in a a hell does it takes so long to install debian |
| 05:15.51 | alanjf | How the hell does one just lose over 400 tons of cheese? |
| 05:15.58 | Patero-ng | is only 1.3gb but it takes an hour why! tell me why! |
| 05:16.33 | Patero-ng | depends on the cheese |
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| 05:16.37 | alanjf | Patero-ng: Last time I installed Debian (7/Wheezy) it took like 15-20 minutes. |
| 05:16.52 | alanjf | Sorry didn't notice my windows didn't scroll. |
| 05:16.54 | Patero-ng | I'm installing it off the dvd but it takes the same off a usb 2 |
| 05:17.23 | alanjf | USB should be a lot faster than most DVD drives. |
| 05:17.53 | alanjf | Err, wait, was this a full HDD in a USB enclosure or a simple little USB flash/thumb drive? |
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| 05:18.09 | alanjf | Thumb drives can be a low slow, they vary a lot. |
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| 05:18.26 | alanjf | s/can be a low slow/can be rather slow/ |
| 05:19.02 | r6ku | downloading updated packages while installing? slow computer? |
| 05:19.09 | Patero-ng | none of that |
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| 05:19.18 | Patero-ng | I don't know if is downloading packages |
| 05:19.23 | Patero-ng | I think is just buggy |
| 05:19.29 | Patero-ng | debian is buggy at instlal |
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| 05:19.44 | Bashmetim | I need some guidance on the debian preseed usage |
| 05:19.52 | r6ku | which iso are you using? |
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| 05:20.02 | Bashmetim | Can I run an arbitrary script for the partman/early_command? |
| 05:20.18 | sussudio | Patero-ng: you can go to the second console and see what it's doing |
| 05:20.21 | Forsetes | olá |
| 05:20.42 | Patero-ng | sussudio how? tell me |
| 05:20.49 | Patero-ng | 2nd console that's new |
| 05:20.50 | sussudio | alt-f2? |
| 05:21.30 | Patero-ng | rly |
| 05:21.33 | Patero-ng | that's cool |
| 05:21.38 | Bashmetim | Trying "d-i partman/early_command save.sh backup" causes the installer to spit out "sh: backup: not found" |
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| 05:22.24 | Patero-ng | I think I knew that from ubuntu |
| 05:22.26 | Bashmetim | I put save.sh in / next to the preseed.cfg file, but it won't run... What do I do? |
| 05:22.34 | Patero-ng | but anyway is just a boot prompt no data statisttics |
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| 05:23.03 | sussudio | run top or ps? |
| 05:23.51 | Patero-ng | I learned all these days that ext3 takes a long time to format |
| 05:25.19 | Bashmetim | The documentation for the preseeding usage is really rich in examples... Is there anywhere I can just look at a complete list of options though? |
| 05:25.40 | Bashmetim | I need to run a script to backup files before the partitioner runs |
| 05:26.17 | arahael | So, I want to backup my files to a particular directory on my server, via ssh. I essentially want something similar to TimeMachine, but I don't want to write yet another rsync script. Is there good, simple, command line script that runs whenever I login? (My home dir uses ecryptfs, so it must only be when I login) |
| 05:27.51 | themill | arahael: rsnapshot is the popular rsync wrapper for this sort of thing. I guess you could run it from cron so that it starts only when your $HOME is available. |
| 05:28.18 | arahael | themill: Is cron smart enough for that? |
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| 05:29.01 | themill | cron doesn't need to be smart for this |
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| 05:30.58 | arahael | themill: The process of logging in sets up my /home/arahael |
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| 05:31.28 | arahael | themill: If cron is running my task every hour, what happens if I'm not logged in? |
| 05:32.14 | sussudio | i'm pretty sure cron doesn't care if you're logged in or not. |
| 05:32.46 | arahael | So, cron starts the job, and the backup sees that the directory doesn't exist? |
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| 05:35.54 | arahael | sussudio: Can you see why I'm concerned? |
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| 05:45.55 | themill | arahael: so you test to see if the directory exists before running the backup |
| 05:47.01 | arahael | I'm confused about rsnapshot. The configuratino file seems to suggest that only backs up to snapshot_root? |
| 05:47.01 | arahael | Which must be a physical directory on the local system (possibly mounted) |
| 05:47.30 | themill | yes |
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| 05:48.19 | arahael | themill: Hmm, so rsyncbackup isn't suitable, then. I want to backup _to_ a server, not backup to a local directory. |
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| 05:49.31 | themill | I'd run rsnapshot on the server; obnam is another good choice for this sort of thin |
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| 05:50.25 | arahael | themill: It does seem to be server-based. But the server doesn't know when the laptop is on, nor where it's connecting from. |
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| 05:50.43 | themill | I solve that with tinc or openvpn |
| 05:50.52 | Guest81665 | I started using openbox and I want to change the color of the wallpaper |
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| 05:51.38 | Bashmetim | can I find a list somewhere of parameters that can be passed to "d-i partman/early_command" in the debian installer? debian.org just has one example... |
| 05:52.04 | arahael | themill: I'm trying to keep the sysadmin low. tinc, openvpn, etcetera,, are added complications. |
| 05:52.15 | Bashmetim | I need to automatically run a script before partitioning the hard drive during installation |
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| 05:53.12 | themill | arahael: sure. depends on your priorities. |
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| 05:54.11 | arahael | themill: And desires. Windows "File History" and Mac "Time Machine" are amazingly simple setups, though the former is limited to local (the same issue I have with rsyncbackup), and the later is limited to apple's servers. |
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| 05:58.58 | arahael | themill: obnam looks like it may be the ticket. |
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| 06:01.14 | themill | I'd trust obnam's developer with my data more than any other backup software. |
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| 06:03.16 | arahael | Good to know. :) |
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| 06:06.58 | arahael | themill: Seems to be working. Minor problem being that it's difficult to read the backups with just the command line (ie, you need obnam for it), but obnam looks sufficiently simple enough that I'm going to overlook that. :) |
| 06:07.28 | arahael | It is surprisingly quick. :) |
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| 06:09.57 | arahael | spoke too soon. obnam is very well designed. |
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| 06:12.04 | arahael | Yep, it's completely perfect. |
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| 06:17.45 | mrrhq | Is anyone else not able to install stuff like blender, smc or wesnoth on Sid ebcause of libstdc++6 incompatabilities? |
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| 06:17.58 | mrrhq | This is so annoying. |
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| 06:19.28 | arahael | mrrhq: That happens from tiem to time on sid. |
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| 06:20.45 | arahael | mrrhq: It has to - the libstdc++6 must've gotten incompatible. :) |
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| 06:21.09 | mrrhq | I thought it was because I tried installing Steam from non-free. Then I decided to remove it and upgrade. I fear that I almost about FUBAR'd my system. |
| 06:21.35 | arahael | mrrhq: Running Sid "The boy next door who breaks toys", was probably not the best idea, then. |
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| 06:21.55 | arahael | mrrhq: Sid never becomes stable. (It never becomes testing, either) |
| 06:21.56 | mrrhq | Well steamdeps enabled 32-bit arch without even saying it, lol. |
| 06:22.19 | arahael | It's a nearly experimental playground, full of packages which may individually become part of testing. |
| 06:22.25 | mrrhq | I didn't ask for consolation, btw. |
| 06:22.28 | mrrhq | Stop. |
| 06:22.30 | r6ku | heh, ended up back on sid because of security issues, stable+testing is starting to look mildly attractive |
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| 06:22.42 | mrrhq | Lol, I kno what I'm doing sometimes. |
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| 06:25.02 | mrrhq | I'll just wait for the Debian Weather to get better. I can't believe that Website exists. |
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| 06:26.17 | arahael | themill: As a software dev myself, I'm amazed at the level of detail obnam has! Truely outstanding - thanks for the recommendation :) |
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| 06:26.52 | mrrhq | Oh, found it: https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/unstable_main/index.html |
| 06:27.16 | p_nathan | Hullo, does the current Sid/Stretch kernel (4.0.0) include overlayfs in its compile options? I can't find /proc/config.gz and experimental foolery does not seem to work. |
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| 06:27.45 | p_nathan | (I am trying to run Docker, to give a wee bit of context around the question) |
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| 06:28.22 | themill | mrrhq: welcome to sid |
| 06:28.26 | mrrhq | Actually I said yes to Steam upgrading my system, why did I do that. |
| 06:28.27 | themill | dpkg: tell mrrhq about gcc transition |
| 06:28.31 | mrrhq | So dumb. |
| 06:30.00 | XeonSquared | So if I wanted a card that gives me more SATA ports and fits into a PCIe x1 slot, what would I want to go with? |
| 06:30.06 | mrrhq | themill: It's okay, I still got a 32-bit chroot I'm playing around with. |
| 06:30.11 | XeonSquared | Ideally that would work well with mdadm |
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| 06:31.06 | mrrhq | Now I just see the letters "dad" doing a fistbump. |
| 06:31.17 | mrrhq | Cannot un-see. |
| 06:32.04 | mrrhq | XeonSquared: Most of them sound like they'd be compatible with GNU/Linux. |
| 06:32.40 | mrrhq | At least it's PCIe and not PCI. Speeds could be faster. Depends on the bus speeds. |
| 06:33.45 | XeonSquared | It's for my fancy new Xeon box http://i.imgur.com/ZM5tHFZ.png |
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| 06:35.25 | XeonSquared | I have 5 HDDs but can only hook up 3 |
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| 06:36.58 | stevendale | on a system from 2008, with 4 GB RAM, a 3TB SATA HDD, how big should the swapfile be? |
| 06:37.35 | ryouma | XeonSquared: do those things supply the highest speed sata? |
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| 06:38.22 | XeonSquared | Well, 7200RPM HDDs can't really max SATA |
| 06:38.46 | ryouma | stevendale: you are not likely to swap more than mem amount i think; you want full mem amount if you hibernate |
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| 06:38.58 | Wulf | Good Morning! |
| 06:39.00 | ryouma | tradition said 2xmem, but that seems large |
| 06:39.18 | mrrhq | stevendale: I'm not sure, but if you want to suspend properly, I usually make the swap as big as the RAM is. If you use Btrfs, you'll have to use a swap partition instead of a swap file. Found out the hard way. |
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| 06:39.53 | stevendale | ryouma: Thanks, at least I got support in here, unlike in #ubuntu, were there is just trolls |
| 06:39.57 | mrrhq | Well doing that will just ensure suspend will always word. I dunno. |
| 06:40.03 | mrrhq | **work |
| 06:40.39 | mrrhq | Maybe that's only for suspend to RAM... |
| 06:41.07 | Wulf | apt-get complains "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.". Where can I see what these "held broken packages" are? |
| 06:41.41 | mrrhq | Try apt-get dist-upgrade, and read before you hit yes. |
| 06:41.50 | mrrhq | And use the -f flag, too. |
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| 06:42.39 | Wulf | mrrhq: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:42.56 | mrrhq | what about apt-get -f install ? |
| 06:43.20 | Wulf | mrrhq: I get e.g.: gnome-shell : Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 3.7.90) but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:43.35 | mrrhq | Are you using Sid? |
| 06:43.39 | mrrhq | You probably are. |
| 06:43.42 | Wulf | mrrhq: sure |
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| 06:44.08 | mrrhq | If you install anything from evolution, it will eventually complaina bout libstdc++6 |
| 06:44.21 | mrrhq | So try apt-get install evolution-data-server and see. |
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| 06:45.37 | mrrhq | It'll have to be waited out for now. |
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| 06:48.23 | Wulf | mrrhq: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794774 ? thanks |
| 06:48.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794774 in libstdc++6 (open): «libstdc++6: Breaks: libboost-date-time1.55.0, but isn't that package fixed now?»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-08-06; last modified: 2015-08-06. |
| 06:49.00 | Wulf | mrrhq: yeah, not first time my sid installation was broken. I'm not complaining, just wanted to know if it's a known problem |
| 06:49.31 | mrrhq | Wulf: Yeah, that's what's happening now. People are so eager to use the new C++ standards that they had to go and break every C++ application. |
| 06:50.16 | themill | That's not quite true, but this sort of mess is what sid is actually for. The fact that it's sometimes usable and people can try running sid is entirely accidental. |
| 06:50.56 | mrrhq | Well I'll read the bug report. :) |
| 06:51.18 | Wulf | themill: it's usable almost always |
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| 06:52.53 | themill | Wulf: no, it's just that the unusable set is normally small enough that you don't notice |
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| 06:55.18 | mrrhq | I still love Derpian. |
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| 06:55.33 | mrrhq | The derpiest distro. |
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| 06:58.37 | ChinaGirl | derp |
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| 07:12.05 | XeonSquared | would intel RAID cards be the best for driver compatibility on Linux? |
| 07:12.16 | XeonSquared | Their graphics have damn nice drivers, even if they're not the most powerful |
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| 07:13.27 | themill | Can chromium work with the java plugin in jessie? |
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| 07:13.59 | mrrhq | XeonSquared: I'd say look it up on h-node first if you want to use FOSS drivers. But yeah, Intel is pretty darn good with Linux compatability. |
| 07:14.43 | mrrhq | themill: I may have done it before. Can't remember how. |
| 07:16.31 | XeonSquared | looks like intel or bust on h-node |
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| 07:16.47 | mrrhq | themill: Try to use the package icedtea-x-plugin |
| 07:17.00 | mrrhq | Where x is the highest version number you can use. |
| 07:17.18 | mrrhq | XeonSquared: Yeah, you looking at RAID controllers? |
| 07:17.37 | XeonSquared | I'm not looking to use hardware RAID, but I need more SATA ports. |
| 07:17.48 | XeonSquared | RAID cards seem like the most common option |
| 07:18.03 | mrrhq | Just dunno what section that would be under. |
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| 07:18.53 | themill | mrrhq: that doesn't actually enable the java plugin in chromium |
| 07:19.14 | Patero-ng | debian installer can be a pain |
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| 07:19.19 | mrrhq | XeonSquared: Yeah, they don't ahve everythign in the world listed either. You might get lucky, or most likely have to use non-free drivers. |
| 07:19.35 | XeonSquared | argh |
| 07:19.38 | mrrhq | themill: Try browsing to chrome://plugins |
| 07:19.41 | XeonSquared | sighs |
| 07:19.49 | XeonSquared | Maybe I'll swap my desktop's motherboard with the new server |
| 07:19.58 | XeonSquared | It has 6 SATA ports |
| 07:19.59 | Patero-ng | the installer stayed on running remove live packages script and is been sitting there on 61% for like 5mins now |
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| 07:20.19 | XeonSquared | or alternatively, when I buy the Xeon/motherboard bundle I can use the motherboard in there for the server |
| 07:20.59 | XeonSquared | I found some cheap rocketraid cards though |
| 07:21.03 | themill | Patero-ng: if you want to install debian, then using the install images is better than the live images. |
| 07:21.08 | XeonSquared | it has a nonfree driver that apparently builds |
| 07:21.18 | XeonSquared | https://github.com/HQJaTu/rr62x |
| 07:22.08 | mrrhq | Whatever works. |
| 07:22.34 | mrrhq | Of course for me personally, I'd only use a motherboard that could at least run Coreboot. :) |
| 07:23.10 | XeonSquared | Price was a major consideration with this build, and as such, we went for a cheap motherboard and the cheapest RAM we could get |
| 07:23.49 | XeonSquared | right, build-essential, git... |
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| 07:25.40 | ryouma | i thought the only motherboards that ran coreboot were a laptop and a 400usd server board, or something like that? |
| 07:26.18 | mrrhq | Yeah, the most expensive RAM would be ECC RAM, which is usually never worth it, because you can just enable Linux's badram modules anyway. |
| 07:26.45 | mrrhq | And of course you can and should replace the RAM. |
| 07:26.52 | mrrhq | If that happens. |
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| 07:27.00 | Paterus | hello |
| 07:27.08 | Paterus | can someone help me fix my debian installation |
| 07:27.19 | knivsta | hi |
| 07:27.27 | mrrhq | Paterus: Maybe. |
| 07:27.29 | r6ku | Paterus: sid? |
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| 07:28.02 | Paterus | mrrhq: upon loading a freshly install of debiain on my usb stick it gave me an error saying isolinux.bin corrupt or missing why |
| 07:28.10 | Paterus | r6ku: what's sid |
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| 07:28.16 | r6ku | is happy |
| 07:28.54 | valdyn | ecc ram purpose is to detect runtime errors, the linux badram module servces an entirely different purpose |
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| 07:29.11 | mrrhq | Paterus: Oh cool, you made a USB installation? Hm... You might be able to install GRUB on it, that would be a lot easier than dealing with Syslinux stuff. |
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| 07:29.15 | valdyn | and ecc ram of course is worth it where you need it |
| 07:29.56 | mrrhq | Yeah, I guess if people want to pay premium for it, it'll probably last a lot longer than non-ecc. |
| 07:30.06 | Paterus | mrrhq: I think grub installed on it alreadt by tge debian installer, I even selected the device |
| 07:30.07 | valdyn | no, it just detects errors |
| 07:30.09 | Paterus | manually |
| 07:30.30 | XeonSquared | well, if you really need the memory to stay correct |
| 07:30.39 | valdyn | you dont really want to not detect a bitflip in accounting |
| 07:30.45 | mrrhq | Yeah, so it will probably last longer. You won't ahve ot throw it away if one error was detected (and corrected). |
| 07:30.50 | XeonSquared | but I'm just doing virtual machines, Minecraft, and a webserver |
| 07:30.51 | valdyn | where thats totally irrelevant in gaming |
| 07:31.02 | mrrhq | Still doesn't save it from bit-rot. |
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| 07:32.02 | valdyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory |
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| 07:33.04 | XeonSquared | ../../../inc/linux/Makefile.def:95: *** Only kernel 2.4/2.6/3.x/4.x is supported but you use make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.16 3.16. Stop. |
| 07:33.09 | mrrhq | Paterus: Are you able to at least get a login screen or anything? What's the furthest you have gotten it to boot? |
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| 07:33.50 | Paterus | mrrhq: nothing as soon as it boots it gives me a isolinux.bin corrupt message it doesn't get to the logo screen |
| 07:34.54 | mrrhq | Do you have debian on the computer that you're interting the USB thumb drive in? |
| 07:35.16 | Paterus | mrrhq: no it haswindows 7 |
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| 07:36.02 | mrrhq | I was thinking, maybe you can reinstall it on there. That's all I got so far until I can think of a method. |
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| 07:36.53 | Paterus | the same thing happened to me on ubuntu |
| 07:36.59 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... where are kept the source codes of the programs i've installed on debian ? |
| 07:37.00 | Paterus | it gave me a initfsrm promot |
| 07:37.12 | mrrhq | initramfs? |
| 07:37.25 | giuseppe_ | i mean if i enabled sources in the repo... shouldn' it save me even the source code package ? |
| 07:37.27 | giuseppe_ | where are those ? |
| 07:37.59 | r6ku | Paterus: which program and debian image did you use to make the install usb? |
| 07:38.03 | mrrhq | Alright, well I'm not an expert on that. You might have to do a little grub config editing from the GRUB bootup screen to get it to run again. |
| 07:38.05 | phix | glebihan_: sudo apt-get source <packgenamr> |
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| 07:38.43 | giuseppe_ | phix... but doesn't that instruction to download the package ? |
| 07:38.53 | phix | yea |
| 07:38.55 | Paterus | mrrhq: I don't get to grub even I dont' see it |
| 07:38.55 | giuseppe_ | i was thinking it was downloading it automatically everytime i install a package |
| 07:39.01 | phix | the source |
| 07:39.05 | phix | no |
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| 07:39.19 | Paterus | r6ku: I used the debian installer itself and i used the hybrid debian gnome live install image |
| 07:39.19 | phix | by default it installs from repo |
| 07:39.22 | phix | thr binary |
| 07:39.33 | giuseppe_ | phix... ok but doesn't it download even the source ? |
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| 07:39.55 | phix | giuseppe_: the man page and other apt-get docs clearly state that |
| 07:40.03 | mrrhq | Paterus: I bet there's a way you can reinstall debian, but you can keep your home directory and importand files, maybe even install it over it. Did you use something like UNetBootin to make it? |
| 07:40.10 | phix | giuseppe_: it does if you tell it to |
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| 07:41.09 | Paterus | I downloaded the image and put it on a dvd then ran the dvd and installed debian on a usb stick |
| 07:41.16 | Paterus | mrrhq: there |
| 07:41.26 | phix | giuseppe_: Are the apt-get man pages or docs available in your native langaugr? if not i recommend learning English |
| 07:42.01 | r6ku | Paterus: you installed debian on your usb stick? |
| 07:42.46 | mrrhq | Paterus: Oh, well that's a little odd. If your computer supports booting from USB thumb drives, you can try UNetBooting instead, which is pretty easy, or just reinstall debian on the thumb drive from the installer, though it will probably delete everything. |
| 07:42.59 | Paterus | r6ku: yes a full install |
| 07:43.00 | phix | giuseppe_: Then reading the docs :) |
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| 07:43.57 | Paterus | mrrhq: netbootin and things like that don't install debian just run it live and I want persistence |
| 07:44.34 | r6ku | I don't even know if that's supported, try puppy linux? |
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| 07:44.49 | mrrhq | Oh, right... Oops. |
| 07:45.06 | Paterus | r6ku: puppy linux haha that sounds funny |
| 07:45.12 | Paterus | I wanted debian |
| 07:46.01 | Paterus | cause it is stable and fast |
| 07:46.09 | mrrhq | Paterus: I'm sure you'll figure something out if you don't want to reinstall. :) |
| 07:46.31 | Paterus | mrrhq: I hope |
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| 07:46.47 | mrrhq | I was gonna say deboostrap and chroot and install GRUB, but you need another debian system to do that. |
| 07:47.11 | mrrhq | So mayble launch the live DVD, chroot into the debian USB stick, get rid of syslinux and install grub. |
| 07:47.17 | mrrhq | Easier said than done.. |
| 07:48.09 | mrrhq | Or if you really like syslinux/isolinux, reinstall it. |
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| 07:48.57 | Paterus | mrrhq: no I don't like them |
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| 07:49.05 | Paterus | mrrhq: how can I chroot into it |
| 07:49.21 | mrrhq | Yeah, me neither. GRUB configs are so nice. |
| 07:49.36 | Paterus | mrrhq: I found a site that does that for installing debian but is already installed I just want to mess round wiht the grub that's all |
| 07:49.45 | mrrhq | There's a tutorial for chrooting on Debian's wiki I think. |
| 07:50.18 | mrrhq | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 07:50.25 | mrrhq | I think you can skip most of step 1. |
| 07:50.38 | Paterus | mrrhq: I'll look into it |
| 07:50.57 | mrrhq | Great. :) |
| 07:51.06 | mrrhq | chrooting is fun! |
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| 07:55.19 | in1t3r | mrrhq, why is so hard to remove syslinux and install grub? especially if you do it on a rw system like a usb |
| 07:55.44 | in1t3r | <mrrhq> chrooting is fun! < yeah always was :) |
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| 07:56.48 | in1t3r | Yeah grub config is nice if you use a GRUB2 but if you use old version of grub like 1 than its not that easy nor intuitive |
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| 07:59.43 | mrrhq | Well almost everyone uses GRUB2 now, doesn't stable use it, and even oldstable? |
| 08:00.28 | mrrhq | >Slackware people still use LILO. |
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| 08:06.16 | giuseppe_ | slackware people... :( bad people |
| 08:06.42 | knivsta | giuseppe_, hehe |
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| 08:08.19 | giuseppe_ | knivsta do you know any method in hexchat (such as shortcut) to recall the nickname of a user in a channel without having it to write entirely? |
| 08:09.19 | knivsta | giuseppe_, what do you mean recall? |
| 08:09.23 | knivsta | use tabs? |
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| 08:17.07 | giuseppe_ | knivsta, ok thanks |
| 08:17.16 | knivsta | giuseppe_, yep |
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| 08:18.47 | ChinaGirl | i'm using pluma and it refuses to open a file (IRC log) due to improper character encoding - it flashes open then dies. is there a way to force it to stay open and display what it can? |
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| 08:20.28 | giuseppe_ | pluma ? |
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| 08:23.33 | giuseppe_ | ChinaGirl, pluma ? |
| 08:23.39 | giuseppe_ | shen ma shi ? |
| 08:24.06 | r6ku | mate text editor |
| 08:24.09 | ChinaGirl | sorry, MATE's text editor |
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| 08:24.46 | gerforce | giuseppe_: so native. |
| 08:25.07 | gerforce | giuseppe_: using "shen ma" instead of "shen me" |
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| 08:31.00 | giuseppe_ | gerforce ? native ? |
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| 08:31.07 | giuseppe_ | what do you mean ? |
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| 08:32.40 | gerforce | giuseppe_: i mean that you seem to be a chinese. |
| 08:33.36 | gerforce | giuseppe_: "shen ma" is more popular than "shen me" in china. |
| 08:33.37 | mrrhq | ChinaGirl: Try opening it with nano for now. Not sure what improper encoding means. Sounds like an issue with Pluma |
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| 08:34.50 | giuseppe_ | gerforce are you chinese ? |
| 08:34.52 | gerforce | never mind. let's forcus on the question. |
| 08:35.00 | mrrhq | Or maybe use the "cat" utility |
| 08:35.21 | ChinaGirl | the file is too large for cat |
| 08:35.47 | ChinaGirl | also too large for nano |
| 08:35.49 | knivsta | ChinaGirl, Are you a girl and from China? |
| 08:35.49 | giuseppe_ | ChinaGirl did you try "cat fileName | more" |
| 08:36.07 | giuseppe_ | knivsta... no he's an old man from Kyrghyzstan |
| 08:36.10 | giuseppe_ | :D |
| 08:36.46 | Patero-ng | hello |
| 08:36.46 | mrrhq | Or if you have less installed, just do less <filename> |
| 08:36.59 | giuseppe_ | ChinaGirl... did you try with more ? |
| 08:37.11 | knivsta | giuseppe_, hehe ok |
| 08:37.20 | ChinaGirl | giuseppe_, it's... loading... maybe... |
| 08:37.27 | giuseppe_ | mrrhq... ok your solution is simpler... |
| 08:37.41 | giuseppe_ | ChinaGirl... mrrhq solution is still cleaner and simpler than mine... |
| 08:38.05 | Patero-ng | I'm tryiung to install grub to my sdc however it fails saying "failed to get canonical path of `aus' and before that it said installing for i386-pc platforms but my 2 comomputers are 64bit so can someone tell me if that one is right, and why I'm unable to install grub to the device |
| 08:38.38 | mrrhq | I have no idea how a file would be too large for nano, unless it buffers the whole file into memory, and you have little RAM left. Wowie. |
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| 08:39.07 | ChinaGirl | maybe the problem is that the filename starts with a # |
| 08:39.27 | ChinaGirl | oh yeah that was the problem |
| 08:39.30 | giuseppe_ | ChinaGirl... does it open now with "less" or "more" ? |
| 08:39.36 | giuseppe_ | a starting # ? |
| 08:39.37 | giuseppe_ | lol |
| 08:39.47 | mrrhq | Yeah, you may need to escape it, \# |
| 08:39.58 | mrrhq | So \# = literal # |
| 08:40.15 | mrrhq | bash shell will just interpret it as something. |
| 08:40.31 | ChinaGirl | ok |
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| 08:42.42 | Patero-ng | mrrhq do you know why grub2 is failing to install grub to my sdc from a live debian |
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| 08:46.42 | gerforce | Patero-ng: Please be more specific about what you do and what error messages you get. |
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| 08:50.37 | Patero-ng | gerforce I'm running a live debian 8.1 and I'm trying to repair my grub on sdc, I recently installed grub2 using apt-get and I got the utils used on this manual https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/reinstalling-grub-on-unbootable-debian/ however I can't pass command grub-install because it gives me error "grub-install error failed to get canonical path for aufs" |
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| 08:56.11 | valdyn | Patero-ng: you are trying to install grub to sdc where that grub is referencing stuff on your cdrom |
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| 08:56.54 | Patero-ng | valdyn so what do I do? I want to boot from the usb next time... the usb already has debian installed |
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| 08:58.05 | valdyn | Patero-ng: chroot to the usb system, *then* run grub-install |
| 08:58.17 | valdyn | !chroot |
| 08:58.17 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
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| 09:00.31 | Patero-ng | does the debian root fs has to be with ext2 |
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| 09:00.47 | valdyn | Patero-ng: no, thats just an example |
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| 09:01.13 | valdyn | Patero-ng: usually you can skip the -t whatever entirely |
| 09:03.29 | Patero-ng | you mean not mount proc |
| 09:04.30 | valdyn | Patero-ng: no i mean you can skip the "-t" option |
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| 09:05.10 | Patero-ng | I don't know what's it for |
| 09:05.14 | Patero-ng | I'll look later |
| 09:05.17 | Patero-ng | ifI'm succesufl |
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| 09:13.32 | Patero-ng | valdyn you're a genius |
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| 09:18.25 | littlebit | hi people, i have raspberry pi b+ with raspbian installed on it. And i wanted to make a wlan to ethernet bridge finding the instrutions and tutorials of how to do it was no problem, and it works for a while. I get in my syslog the following log entry: "br0: port1(wlan0) entered disabled state" and in my dmesg log I have the following logs:http://pastebin.com/MzMv24yk |
| 09:18.35 | littlebit | can someone tell me what is going wrong? |
| 09:19.58 | giuseppe__ | littlebit does it disconnects after a while ? |
| 09:20.27 | pflanze | Is anyone here running Debian on a Soekris router (or other kind of smallish router)? |
| 09:21.01 | valdyn | pflanze: ask your real question |
| 09:21.12 | littlebit | giuseppe__: yes, I was testing the connection by making pings from hosts that are connected to the eth0 of the pi (via switch) and from the pi directly a ping to www.google.dcom |
| 09:21.54 | valdyn | littlebit: the rpi+ does not, by default support many typical wlan adapters properly |
| 09:21.56 | pflanze | "Is Debian a feasible system for routers? What about an UI for not-too-tech savvy users?" |
| 09:22.08 | pflanze | routers being those with 128 MB RAM and such. |
| 09:22.15 | valdyn | littlebit: because the usb power output is low |
| 09:22.22 | littlebit | pflanze: I had a soekris router, and I ran on it openbsd on it. |
| 09:22.30 | valdyn | pflanze: i think its really bad for such systems |
| 09:22.43 | valdyn | pflanze: the package management takes alot of ram |
| 09:23.00 | pflanze | Currently running OpenWRT on it but it's just not such a great system from security upgrades etc.etc. point of view. |
| 09:23.20 | pflanze | Although it at least does have LuCI, which is missing on Debian. |
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| 09:23.47 | littlebit | valdyn: I use the edimax wlan thumbstick which is the default usb wlan recommended by the raspberry pi community. my powersupply is at 2 A |
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| 09:23.48 | pflanze | And yes, RAM. But I guess I could be persuaded to buy routers with more RAM to accomodate for Debian, |
| 09:24.10 | pflanze | but raspi and alike are not routers. It needs to be solid physically, and extensible with mini-PCI cards. |
| 09:24.16 | valdyn | littlebit: its not about the psu, but that recommended stick should be ok |
| 09:24.38 | littlebit | pflanze: I would recommend to run openbsd on it rather than debian, I had a better experience on the soekris boards. |
| 09:24.51 | valdyn | pflanze: 1G is perfectly fine, i cant tell how much ram you should have |
| 09:25.02 | pflanze | Ok, maybe I should give it a try, littlebit, did your run a Web UI on it? |
| 09:25.19 | valdyn | littlebit: so you are using the edimax and trying to create an ap? |
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| 09:25.30 | valdyn | littlebit: with that modified hostapd etc |
| 09:25.41 | pflanze | valdyn, yes I'm sure I can live with 1G, even 512 MB would probably do it, but I haven't researched affordable routers with that much ram. |
| 09:26.53 | littlebit | valdyn: not an ap the pi creates a wlan connection, via wlan0 over a bridge interface br0, and supplies a switch with internet via eth0, which is also a member of the br0 interface. |
| 09:27.25 | littlebit | pflanze: if you want to be on the comfortable side look for miniITX boards for debian firewalling |
| 09:27.36 | littlebit | if you want I can name you some models |
| 09:28.57 | pflanze | I've used miniITX. Feels a bit flaky for router purposes (had some failures). |
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| 09:29.25 | valdyn | miniitx is just a board size, why would that make it flaky? |
| 09:29.32 | littlebit | pflanze: then the soekris should be more flakier since it has the old amd geodude cpu |
| 09:29.47 | pflanze | Physically flaky. |
| 09:30.10 | littlebit | valdyn: checkout the asus j1800i-a it has a Celeron cpu even |
| 09:30.18 | valdyn | littlebit: i use that |
| 09:30.18 | littlebit | just as an example |
| 09:30.25 | pflanze | They have more components, and are meant for consumer usage. |
| 09:30.43 | valdyn | littlebit: or actually something like it... |
| 09:30.54 | littlebit | pflanze: which soekris model do you have? |
| 09:31.01 | littlebit | the 65xx? |
| 09:31.05 | pflanze | Anyway, I've hat a mini-ITX board fail (didn't boot anymore), and issues with other PCs. |
| 09:31.22 | valdyn | theres industrial mini itx and consumer mini itx hardware. Its just a board size.... |
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| 09:31.28 | pflanze | littlebit, net4801 right now |
| 09:31.56 | pflanze | valdyn, where do you get industrial mini itx boards from? |
| 09:31.58 | littlebit | pflanze: then check out the intel boards with an atom cpu on it. they even have dual gbit ethernet |
| 09:32.59 | littlebit | this one here is a little old but it is stuffed with io http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mini-ITX-IBASE-Industrial-MB896IL-Pentium-M740-1-73GHz-27Watt-/301702482383?hash=item463ede89cf |
| 09:33.21 | valdyn | pflanze: i use consumer mini itx systems for a few years, i never bought industrial stuff - just google it |
| 09:33.55 | pflanze | In any case, this still leaves open the question with Debian and OpenBSD/etc., how is a client going to tweak the configuration? Can't expect him to use the command line. |
| 09:35.02 | pflanze | (Also, X doesn't cut it as asking to attach a monitor on the site is also not going to be practical.) |
| 09:35.45 | littlebit | pflanze: that is true, have you considered of installing pfsense on the soekris. that makes the soekris a webconfigurable router |
| 09:36.27 | pflanze | I was thinking about it but chose OpenWRT because I know Linux traffic shaping is up to the task against bufferbloat. |
| 09:37.01 | pflanze | FreeBSD is behind in that area, from what I read. |
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| 09:37.47 | littlebit | yeah openwrt is also a good and very light choice for soekris |
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| 09:37.53 | littlebit | also very easy to install |
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| 09:39.06 | pflanze | "Someone should port pfSense or LuCI to Debian." |
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| 09:41.56 | webuser | Hi, just wanted to say that creating encrypted volume with latest debian installer is not possible. |
| 09:42.10 | webuser | partman-crypto: create: invalid numeric value |
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| 09:42.44 | noaer | hello guys, I'm using playonlinux to play some games and I have optimus technology and to use nvidia card I must always run games with 'LC_ALL=ru_RU-UTF-8 primusrun wine foogame' command from the needed wine prefix in playonlinux I use 'Open shell' function, and the question is how to make run needed games with this command? |
| 09:44.21 | noaer | Tried to create an alias in my .bashrc but it seems like it doesn't work in pol shell |
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| 09:45.25 | michae | hey I just wanted to say I love debian, been using it almost 10 years now, you guys are great |
| 09:45.27 | arahael | webuser: Curious. I had no issue with dm-crypt, though due to a weird keyboard issue on what si the cheapest laptop available in the country, I had issues with the passphrase. |
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| 09:47.41 | webuser | arahael, I noticed this about a month ago and today I tried again with latest daily installer but the bug still exists. I'm doing guided partitioning. |
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| 09:48.05 | webuser | this doesn't happen with 2-3 old installer |
| 09:48.12 | webuser | 2-3 months old |
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| 09:53.51 | Patero-ng | geeks |
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| 09:54.13 | Patero-ng | I have given 12GB for the file system of root is that too much? and about 15gb for home |
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| 09:55.27 | jelly | Patero-ng: if you have that little space, it might be better to use just one filesystem |
| 09:55.44 | Patero-ng | ow |
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| 09:56.02 | Patero-ng | but I might want to install another os later and use the home partition |
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| 09:58.06 | jelly | or use LVM and grow filesystems when needed |
| 09:59.08 | Patero-ng | k |
| 09:59.43 | Patero-ng | is it faster then resizing partitioons with gparted |
| 10:01.27 | jelly | it can be done online, without downtime |
| 10:01.29 | Patero-ng | oh is virtual partitions noooo I want to have interoperability |
| 10:01.39 | Patero-ng | that will freak me out |
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| 10:02.23 | jelly | if by "interoperability" you mean "able to mount /home from some other Linux installation", any Linux distro supports LVM |
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| 10:03.12 | Patero-ng | oh cool |
| 10:03.37 | Haxxa | Hi guys I would like to use rsync on a damged filesystem and I don't want it to stop if it cannont copy a file - simply ignore and continue copying - what syntax is needed for this? |
| 10:04.33 | webuser | Haxxa, --ignore-errors :) |
| 10:05.10 | Haxxa | webuser, now does rsync stop orcan I pick and choose to handle errors as they appear? |
| 10:05.44 | jelly | webuser: the manual says --ignore-errors is specifically about IO errors that happen with --delete, not all IO errors |
| 10:06.05 | jelly | webuser: does yours say different? |
| 10:06.11 | webuser | jelly, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181805 |
| 10:06.48 | jelly | lol, 2003 |
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| 10:07.32 | jelly | thanks |
| 10:08.41 | webuser | Haxxa, I don't know, test it |
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| 10:09.25 | webuser | Haxxa, my guess is it doesn't let you choose and pick |
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| 10:10.38 | RoyK | Haxxa: if you have a bad drive, I'd strongly suggest using GNU ddrescue to make as good a copy of the whole thing you can before rsyncing anything off that copy |
| 10:11.12 | RoyK | Haxxa: never touch something damaged directly - make a copy - then work on the copy |
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| 10:13.28 | Zoe_ | my computer is not booting anymore ; when i try to boot windows 8 i get the loading screen indefinitely ; when i try to boot debian, i get "cant access tty job control turned off" |
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| 10:14.14 | Zoe_ | the root filesystem requires a manual fsck ; i have an initramfs shell busybox |
| 10:14.53 | Zoe_ | i turned off my computer during a windows chkdsk scan so that's probably the issue |
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| 10:17.26 | Zoe_ | when i run fsck /dev/sda9 i get lots of error such as "failed command write dma ext" and at the end blk update request io error sector 1387917312, filesystem still has errors |
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| 10:19.27 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: Sounds like a hard drive issue. Does the initramfs contain smartctl by any chance, since I don't remember? I'd hurry to duplicate the drive with ddrescue before doing anything else |
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| 10:21.13 | Zoe_ | hexnewbie no smartctl :( |
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| 10:22.56 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: I would shut down the computer, find an empty hard drive with the same size (or bigger), as well as a rescue disk with ddrescue on it, and copy all the data. It is not necessarily a bad drive, could be cables or SATA controller, but better safe than sorry |
| 10:23.09 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: smartctl would help to check on the drive's health |
| 10:24.01 | Patero-ng | I once had a bad ide controller |
| 10:25.24 | Zoe_ | i'm in holidays and have nothing available ; is there anything i can try? i don't mind losing data everything is backed up |
| 10:25.49 | Zoe_ | hexnewbie ^ |
| 10:26.04 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: By nothing you mean not even a potential rescue flash drive? |
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| 10:27.03 | Zoe_ | hexnewbie no |
| 10:27.29 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: You could try to mount the root with -o ro,norecovery |
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| 10:28.37 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: Then if it works, you could mount /dev inside and try to use smartctl on /dev/sda |
| 10:29.49 | jimcooncat | is there a way to check a cd for defective spots using utilities in debian? |
| 10:29.49 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: I am afraid that will only help you with finding out what's wrong - your options for fixing it seem limited |
| 10:29.50 | Zoe_ | mount /dev/sda9 -o ro,norecovery / ? |
| 10:30.14 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: Not to /, to an empty directory. |
| 10:30.30 | Zoe_ | hexnewbie i have to go now, but thanks i'll try |
| 10:30.45 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: I don't recall where initramfs mounts the real root, could be /root or /mnt, but mkdir /myroot and mount there |
| 10:30.52 | Zoe_ | ok i see |
| 10:31.04 | Zoe_ | thanks |
| 10:31.13 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: You're welcome. Good luck fixing it |
| 10:31.21 | Zoe_ | :) |
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| 10:32.44 | jimcooncat | Sorry, think I found it in dvdisaster |
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| 10:57.14 | Patero-ng | heko |
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| 10:58.02 | Patero-ng | I installed debian on 1 partition with a specific label name, when I rebooted into another live debian I changed the label to another name, now the os won't load |
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| 10:59.05 | at0m|c | Patero-ng: boot to the other live debian, mount the partition and update /etc/fstab to reflect the change |
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| 11:06.35 | linuxthefish | hi, where can i get /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pae/build/include/linux/autoconf.h ? |
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| 11:19.07 | voraistos | Is it just me or has debian become absolute garbage? I can't believe how many problems I'm having with jessie |
| 11:19.45 | petn-randall | voraistos: ranting goes to /dev/null please. If you have a support question, just ask it. |
| 11:19.47 | voraistos | it has a soul of its own |
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| 11:21.15 | voraistos | Ok. is debian 7 still supported? |
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| 11:22.32 | voraistos | I liked the feature which allowed removed daemons not to be randomly started again. |
| 11:22.48 | voraistos | And the ones where the services which are meant to be running keep on running |
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| 11:23.04 | voraistos | does it stiil get security updates? |
| 11:23.23 | petn-randall | voraistos: Yes, it still does. |
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| 11:38.47 | rip | lets say i want to remove chunk of related softwares (x11, but im interested in generic solution as well). is there way to find name of 'main' package which i can aptitude remove -name- to uninstall program itself, libraries and rest? |
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| 11:39.11 | Zoe_ | hexnewbie: hi i'm back, i was able to mount readonly and see my files but i couldn't find smartctl; however i found a flash drive so that might help? |
| 11:39.11 | voraistos | what can I expect of this new debian LTS project ? |
| 11:39.43 | petn-randall | voraistos: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 11:40.56 | hexnewbie | Zoe_: Hm. I am not sure. If I were you, I would install Debian on the flash drive and use my computer from there (as well as try to diagnose from there) |
| 11:41.38 | petn-randall | rip: You can use `aptitude search '~i !~M'` to search for all manually installed packages. You can also use that filter in interactive mode (press 'l'). |
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| 11:43.07 | Zoe__ | sorry i got disconnected hexnewbie |
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| 11:43.40 | sigmatic_minor | is there any xen gurus on who can help me with something? |
| 11:43.45 | hexnewbie | Zoe__: Unfortunately, I can't think of anything you could do other than install Debian on the flash drive (both to use, and to diagnose your problem). |
| 11:44.18 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 11:44.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:44.22 | petn-randall | sigmatic_minor: ^^^ |
| 11:44.46 | hexnewbie | Zoe__: The error sounded like you have unreadable sectors on your hard drive, which smartctl would have helped confirmed. |
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| 11:46.16 | sigmatic_minor | Cheers, sorry am new here :) have a xen hypervisor which failed to start a VM due to rootfs 100% full (didn't realise at the time), trying to find the culprit of the disk space but in the mean time, found a .blocks file in /tmp, would that be from the failed VM startup and can I get rid of it? |
| 11:46.31 | hexnewbie | Zoe__: If you have debootstrap installed on your read-only root, and your flash drive is big enough, you could be able to get Debian there, with some difficulty. |
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| 11:49.41 | Brian- | sigmatic_minor: if its in /tmp its usually safe to rm |
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| 11:50.33 | sigmatic_minor | Cheers Brian, just wanted to check.. unfortunately this is a production server, and our usual linux guy is off.. fun way to spend a saturday night haha |
| 11:50.53 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Just check that the file isn't used by something through lsof. |
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| 11:51.36 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Debian cleans /tmp on boot, so there shouldn't be any critical files there. But something running might be using it |
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| 11:52.39 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: The file name doesn't ring a bell though, could also be a file created by a human, not a program. |
| 11:52.53 | sigmatic_minor | thats why i'm guessing it's from the VM which failed to start.. hmmm.. would the correct usage be lsof cwd if i'm in /tmp? |
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| 11:53.42 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: lsof /tmp/.blocks # or however the exact path is |
| 11:53.53 | sigmatic_minor | thanks hex :) |
| 11:54.14 | hexnewbie | Xen tends to leave machine save state files behind, but I don't remember them being called .blocks. |
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| 11:54.52 | hexnewbie | But I learned the hard way to not halt my Debian machine before halting all Xen virtual machines. |
| 11:55.00 | sigmatic_minor | full filename is delta_<vmname>.blocks |
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| 11:56.02 | petn-randall | hexnewbie: Xen /should/ take care of that, but it kills them after some grace time (5 minutes?) if they don't stop by themselves. |
| 11:56.10 | sigmatic_minor | can i paste the lsof output here? doesnt make a lot of sense to me.. still a lot to learn |
| 11:56.38 | petn-randall | sigmatic_minor: Use http://paste.debian.net for that, no pastes into the channel (the channel bot will kick you for flooding otherwise). |
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| 11:56.57 | ChunkzZ | 12:56 <ChunkzZ> Can anyone help me setup my wifi? I have done lsusb and it says I have ralink technology, corp and before that it says ID 148f:7601 - it's driving me mad? |
| 11:57.49 | sigmatic_minor | sweet thanks for the tip |
| 11:57.50 | sigmatic_minor | http://paste.debian.net/290296/ |
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| 11:58.26 | petn-randall | sigmatic_minor: ps auxw | grep 24115 will tell you which process that is. |
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| 12:00.48 | sigmatic_minor | ok, looking more like a leftover from a vm.. i think.. http://paste.debian.net/290298/ |
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| 12:01.42 | sigmatic_minor | or pretty sure a failed backup couldve caused that too.. |
| 12:02.09 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: ps uaxww --forest |
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| 12:02.42 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Find the line with lvdds in it (pid 24115), and pastebin it with context. It will show which process started it. |
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| 12:03.40 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: It looks like something or someone is attempting to record the changes to a logical volume of a VM. It is possible that it is an incremental backup of some kind (or even restore attempt?) |
| 12:03.44 | ChunkzZ | Anyone? |
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| 12:04.25 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: My guess is that too much changes accumulated and they couldn't be stored in /tmp anymore |
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| 12:05.30 | sigmatic_minor | ps uaxww -forest |
| 12:05.30 | sigmatic_minor | not a restore attempt, possibly a backup.. usually on our debian servers if a backup fails, we can just rm the .iso from /mnt/usb (which fills up rootfs) but for some reason this server is different (i havent seen the script for this one yet) |
| 12:05.50 | sigmatic_minor | oops that was my problem, - not -- |
| 12:06.46 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Yeah, so the file is probably the contents of a backup attempt in progress. Not exactly throwaway, but since it has failed due to filled hard drive, keeping it probably won't help either |
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| 12:08.16 | sigmatic_minor | ok that makes sense |
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| 12:08.31 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: You can't delete it without killing the processs, though (i.e. you can, but the space will remain used) |
| 12:08.32 | sigmatic_minor | http://paste.debian.net/290300/ - for good measure |
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| 12:09.08 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Yeah, but what's the previous line? That is, what is the parent process? |
| 12:09.23 | XeonSquared | So if I'm going to run game servers, would the idea be to run them under the games account? |
| 12:10.04 | ttyS0 | You can run them under whichever user you'd like |
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| 12:10.17 | sigmatic_minor | oops sorry, http://paste.debian.net/290302/ |
| 12:10.22 | hexnewbie | XeonSquared: I would be surprised if game server packages don't create a specific user for that server. If they don't, i would create my own |
| 12:10.31 | XeonSquared | Is there any issue with running them under the games account? |
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| 12:10.42 | XeonSquared | hexnewbie, it's stuff like Garry's Mod and Minecraft which aren't packages |
| 12:10.43 | ttyS0 | No |
| 12:10.47 | sigmatic_minor | so leftover from a backup on the 3rd by the looks, thats basically all we use cron for |
| 12:11.28 | sigmatic_minor | lol awesome.. so much for the person whos supposed to be checking those.. |
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| 12:12.42 | sigmatic_minor | hex, how would I go about killing that process before removing the file? |
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| 12:12.59 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Looks like the lvmirror incremental backup scripts. I would try stopping it by killing 24024 |
| 12:13.38 | XeonSquared | <3 btrfs subvolumes |
| 12:14.06 | hexnewbie | XeonSquared: The best thing about them is that when the filesystem goes FUBAR, so do the snapshotted subvolumes |
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| 12:15.24 | sigmatic_minor | just # kill 24024, correct? |
| 12:15.39 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Yeah. Then check if those guys stop running |
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| 12:18.04 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: And notify whoever's in charge of this that their backups (of the sql machine at least) are not done |
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| 12:19.16 | magnifikus | maybe wrong here, but someone suceed on nvidia optimus mobile cards and vga passthough to virtualized guests? |
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| 12:20.26 | sigmatic_minor | thanks hex, couldnt see the process running so I rm'd the file, rootfs still 100% so I'll have to keep hunting lol, at least that massive file is gone, thank you!! :) :) |
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| 12:21.23 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Note that rm might take some time to free up space. If the rootfs is still full after a /little/ while, the file is probably still open by something |
| 12:21.38 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: One thing that might reveal it is: lsof -n -P | fgrep deleted |
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| 12:22.03 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Another is ps auxww | egrep 'lvmirror|lvdds' |
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| 12:24.28 | sigmatic_minor | http://paste.debian.net/290305/ |
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| 12:26.45 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: kill 24115 24114 24029 24027 24025 |
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| 12:28.18 | sigmatic_minor | ok done |
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| 12:28.38 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: lvdds might refuse to die (if it refuses to stop because of ENOSPC) |
| 12:28.53 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: is any of those still running? |
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| 12:29.59 | sigmatic_minor | no errors, should i try the previous ps cmd again to check if they're still running? |
| 12:30.16 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Yes |
| 12:30.57 | sigmatic_minor | http://paste.debian.net/290306/ |
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| 12:31.16 | hexnewbie | sigmatic_minor: Great. The space should be free now |
| 12:31.20 | sigmatic_minor | (thank you so much for your help btw, if you have paypal or whatever I'd be happy to send you a tip for a couple of beers lol) |
| 12:31.40 | hexnewbie | Hehe, you're welcome |
| 12:31.51 | sigmatic_minor | YAY!!!! it's fixed!!! |
| 12:32.07 | sigmatic_minor | Thank you Hex, you saved my saturday.. you're a legend :) |
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| 12:32.47 | hexnewbie | :) |
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| 12:33.30 | kimu88 | ciao |
| 12:33.34 | kimu88 | !list |
| 12:33.35 | dpkg | kimu88: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 12:35.00 | darkz3ro | hala |
| 12:35.02 | Dagamseh_ | <3 |
| 12:36.15 | darkz3ro | go private |
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| 12:43.52 | Uchar | how to change keyboard layouts in console without affecting X ? |
| 12:44.10 | Uchar | /etc/default/keyboard is affecting layouts in X |
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| 12:44.58 | mezo | hi, someone here with nvidia and proprietary driver? when im running the proprietary nvidia driver my gnome gets a bit jerky while moving a windows and for example chromium runs in the background. also the xorg cpu load goes to over 80% on core 1. this doesnt happen when chriomium is closed or im using the opensource driver. |
| 12:45.10 | mezo | also steam or a game in background cause this problems. |
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| 12:45.47 | mezo | im curious if this happen for everyone or just me. |
| 12:45.49 | r6ku | are you sure you installed the nvidia driver correctly? |
| 12:45.51 | r6ku | !nvidia |
| 12:45.51 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:46.01 | mezo | r6ku: yes im sure |
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| 12:46.39 | r6ku | you checked that the driver really is working with glxinfo? |
| 12:46.49 | mezo | yes, and 3d gaming works also fine. |
| 12:47.52 | mezo | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 12:49.19 | mezo | i also tried the latest stable/beta driver from nvidia |
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| 12:50.54 | valdyn | mezo: opengl and multitasking works bad in some cases |
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| 12:52.22 | valdyn | mezo: this means it may just be that way till nvidia fix their driver or you get better hardware |
| 12:53.16 | r6ku | it could be just a gnome issue |
| 12:53.32 | mezo | the hardware should not be the problem. but yes, it makes no fun to run proprietary driver when everything feels jerky while runing chrome ore stuff like that. |
| 12:53.56 | valdyn | mezo: chrome and flash in chrome use your gfx card heavily |
| 12:54.25 | valdyn | mezo: and gnome does too, thats like 3 independent users of that nvidia chip |
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| 12:54.54 | mezo | its not only chrome, also steam or a opengl game which is minimized cause this problems |
| 12:55.22 | valdyn | of course, im talking about any time where you have multiple concurrent users of opengl |
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| 12:56.52 | rip | is it possible to create bootable iso with excluded free space of existing partitions? |
| 12:56.54 | valdyn | mezo: i cant really say anything about any or your special case. Just know from experience that having 2 concurrent opengl users may yield alot worse than 50% performance on each |
| 12:57.21 | mezo | which gpu and driver do you use valdyn? |
| 12:57.29 | valdyn | mezo: nvidia |
| 12:57.39 | mezo | and which driver? |
| 12:57.46 | valdyn | mezo: nvidias |
| 12:58.04 | valdyn | mezo: my current setup is quite irrelevant though |
| 12:58.14 | mezo | so can u maybe test it really quick on your setup? running steam or chromium and moving a windows while watching htop? |
| 12:58.26 | valdyn | mezo: im not running gnome |
| 12:58.29 | mezo | im just curious ;) |
| 12:58.38 | valdyn | mezo: i cant test your specific setup |
| 12:58.47 | ChunkzZ | 12:56 <ChunkzZ> Can anyone help me setup my wifi? I have done lsusb and it says I have ralink technology, corp and before that it says ID 148f:7601 - it's driving me mad? |
| 12:58.58 | valdyn | !ralink |
| 12:58.58 | dpkg | Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for many Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2800>. |
| 12:59.37 | valdyn | ChunkzZ: you may want to run "update-usbids" |
| 12:59.38 | ChunkzZ | I'm on a pi 2 based on wheeze though |
| 13:00.03 | ChunkzZ | Well that work valdyn ? |
| 13:01.01 | mezo | just google for the chipset ur wifi stick use. |
| 13:02.58 | ChunkzZ | mezo: I've tried. |
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| 13:04.34 | hid3 | Hello. Could enyone running Debian 8 check their kernel config and see if 'CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER' is defined? |
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| 13:05.21 | phale | hello, i've been here a few times before regarding issues about my wi-fi connectivity (sudden lag and random disconnects) |
| 13:05.29 | phale | i'm still in need of assistance |
| 13:05.40 | ttyS0 | Anyone remember the days of serial modems? I remember using serial modems due to the fact that winmodems had no drivers. |
| 13:07.15 | phale | i'm using debian 8 jessie, I have switched from wifi card to wifi dongle and im still having these issues |
| 13:07.17 | ChunkzZ | phale: I need help too. |
| 13:07.35 | phale | ChunkzZ: about your wifi? |
| 13:07.59 | ChunkzZ | Yes. |
| 13:08.12 | ChunkzZ | What's the command to check my kernel? |
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| 13:09.15 | phale | what do you mean by kernel, kernel version? |
| 13:09.41 | phale | it's `uname -r` i believe |
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| 13:10.46 | justdoitand | Hi all! |
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| 13:17.06 | OwlG | I have a quick question about debian if anyone is around |
| 13:17.18 | at0m|c | !tell OwlG about ask |
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| 13:19.16 | OwlG | Does Debian upgrade by just changing the package repos? Say if I have a wheezy install and change the sources.list to jessie will that destroy stuff? |
| 13:19.35 | OwlG | I guess what I am looking for is where can I read up on this rolling distro stuff |
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| 13:21.01 | at0m|c | !tell OwlG about wheezy->jessie |
| 13:21.03 | at0m|c | debian is not a rolling distro like, say, arch |
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| 13:21.54 | ChunkzZ | How ow can I downgrade my kernel? |
| 13:21.57 | ChunkzZ | Can |
| 13:21.59 | OwlG | Thank you at0m|c there is nothing like a good IRC channel! |
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| 13:22.23 | ChunkzZ | Again, sorry. How can I downgrade my kernel? |
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| 13:23.14 | c0fe | you can't downgrade ever |
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| 13:24.16 | lenswipe | Hey guys |
| 13:24.46 | r6ku | OwlG: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading or just backup and reinstall |
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| 13:25.06 | lenswipe | I followed the directions here:https://wiki.debian.org/Steam to get steam running on Jessie. After installing the graphics divers, my system now boots to a black screen with a flagging cursor (no prompt though) |
| 13:25.21 | lenswipe | Could someone help me get my ui back? |
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| 13:25.33 | Penix | reinstalling in order to install a different kernel package is insane |
| 13:26.21 | Penix | ChunkzZ: you install the version you want. or, if it's already installed you select that one from your bootloader |
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| 13:26.52 | lenswipe | In considering reinstalling |
| 13:27.47 | CtrlC | Hi guys, trying to run some 32bit binary on 64bit debian. What libs should I install exactly?(the binary only depends on the standard cpp stuff) |
| 13:27.57 | CtrlC | the other one is eclipse. |
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| 13:29.38 | Penix | CtrlC: multiarch. read the msg dpkg sent you |
| 13:30.32 | unborn | CtrlC, I would suggest multiarch that works |
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| 13:30.54 | lenswipe | Could someone help? |
| 13:31.10 | lenswipe | (lenswipe) I followed the directions here:https://wiki.debian.org/Steam to get steam running on Jessie. After installing the graphics divers, my system now boots to a black screen with a flagging cursor (no prompt though) |
| 13:31.11 | armin | so libvirt seems to require dnsmasq, how do i disable this? |
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| 13:31.35 | CtrlC | thank you guys. |
| 13:31.36 | Penix | lenswipe: what does "flagging cursor" mean? is X starting/running? |
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| 13:33.44 | r6ku | he probably means the blank screen you get when you failed at configuring nvidia drivers |
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| 13:33.57 | lenswipe | So, I followed the directions here:https://wiki.debian.org/Steam to get steam running on Jessie. After installing the graphics divers, my system now boots to a black screen with a flagging cursor (no prompt though) |
| 13:34.08 | lenswipe | flashing* |
| 13:34.24 | lenswipe | Could someone help me restore my graphics back to his they were? |
| 13:34.31 | unborn | meh nvidia lenswipe try to type in xstartx? |
| 13:34.36 | unborn | see whats happen |
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| 13:35.03 | Penix | armin: I can't see any dnsmasq dependencies with any of the libvirt packages. which one are you talking about? |
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| 13:35.32 | lenswipe | unborn type it where? There is no prompt, only a flashing black cursor |
| 13:35.47 | lenswipe | Oh and loads of missing firmware messages |
| 13:35.51 | Penix | lenswipe: switch to another vt then |
| 13:35.56 | lenswipe | Firmware failed to load |
| 13:36.34 | lenswipe | Penix, unborn, server terminated with error (1) |
| 13:36.38 | armin | debian-8.1.0-amd64- 100%[=====================>] 247.00M 63.6MB/s in 5.9s |
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| 13:36.39 | armin | <3 |
| 13:36.57 | lenswipe | Unable to connect to x server: connection refused |
| 13:37.10 | unborn | lenswipe, aha - well you need to know what gfx card you use to install correct drivers however re-install should be in a place.. it would be quicker.. then look on your hw and find correct driver for it.. then install insane steam |
| 13:38.43 | lenswipe | unborn, i no longer care about steam. I just want my graphics divers back. I was using the stock one (nuveux) i think |
| 13:39.09 | lenswipe | I have an nvidia card, but i was using neuveux |
| 13:39.30 | quantic | lenswipe: Reboot. In grub, add "nouveau.modeset=0" without the quotes to the kernel line in GRUB. |
| 13:39.49 | quantic | quantic: Assuming it's not already there. If it is, reinstall. |
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| 13:40.47 | unborn | lenswipe, ^^^ |
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| 13:41.49 | no_gravity | Hello! My laptop battery only charges up to 48%. Is that due to some setting in Debian? |
| 13:41.56 | quantic | lenswipe: If that gets you to a usable system of any kind, the next steps are to add that to /etc/default/grub, regenerate grub conf, verify that nouveau is blacklisted in modprobe.d, and rebuild initrd. |
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| 13:42.21 | lenswipe | Why am i blacklisting nouveux? |
| 13:42.53 | lenswipe | I reinstakked nouveux ans things are back now |
| 13:42.57 | lenswipe | Thanks fuys |
| 13:43.16 | quantic | I want to tell him that nouveau sucks, but oh well. |
| 13:44.59 | unborn | quantic, well sometimes you cannot help.. we can change only the path users should look at.. :) |
| 13:46.14 | quantic | unborn: Hard to do when they jump in, beg for help, and then split. Community, mofo! Join it! :P |
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| 13:46.50 | Neol | I'm looking for a simple media player that supports .srt files. VLC is really a pain is the ass to compile on Wheezy. |
| 13:46.58 | Neol | Could someone recommend me one, please ? |
| 13:47.45 | unborn | Neol, dont know anything better then vlc.. you should not have a problem with version supplied in deb repos |
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| 13:47.55 | quantic | Neol: I think SMPlayer will do it. |
| 13:48.02 | quantic | but yeah, VLC is my go to. |
| 13:48.37 | Neol | unborn: Using wheezy-backports, the version I get is 2.1.5. Which is vulnerable |
| 13:48.48 | unborn | would not recommend anything else then vlc (been using it for few years now with advanced options for recording desktop and converting dvds as well and cannot say anything bad about it) |
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| 13:49.07 | unborn | Neol, vulnerable to ? |
| 13:49.14 | unborn | or I am missing something? |
| 13:49.35 | Neol | unborn : https://www.videolan.org/security/sa1501.html |
| 13:49.41 | vlt | Neol: `aptitude changelog vlc` should show you the changelog and all the security fixes included., |
| 13:49.54 | unborn | @ Neol nods |
| 13:50.17 | quantic | Neol: Just because the version number is the same doesn't mean it hasn't had patches backported to it. |
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| 13:51.44 | Neol | quantic : Yeah, that's true... At least I hope. |
| 13:51.58 | quantic | Neol: From that link: VLC media player 2.1.6 addresses all those issues. Patches for older versions are available from the official VLC source code repository 2.1. |
| 13:52.15 | unborn | Neol, that could be patched.. if it was not already.. |
| 13:52.33 | themill | Neol: backports does not get as good security support as a stable release. It might be time to upgrade to jessie. |
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| 13:53.23 | quantic | Neol: ^^^ |
| 13:53.29 | unborn | :) |
| 13:53.41 | Neol | unborn: I was using wheezy-backports because it was recommended on https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
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| 13:54.05 | Neol | The version coming from the stable repository is even older |
| 13:54.07 | themill | Neol: the information on that page is clearly out of date |
| 13:54.07 | quantic | Neol: Uhhh... That's way out of date. |
| 13:54.21 | quantic | Neol: wheezy == oldstable, jessie == stable |
| 13:54.21 | unborn | Neol, im no longer on wheezy so I cannot inspect directly meh Im sorry, you should consider an update |
| 13:54.50 | Neol | Yep. That's what I was thinking about... |
| 13:54.55 | quantic | Neol: The version on jessie (stable) is 2.2.0. |
| 13:56.21 | quantic | Neol: vlc (2.2.0~rc2-2) to be precise. |
| 13:57.15 | themill | (not precise, jessie!) |
| 13:57.22 | Neol | Alright. Thanks for your help all ! |
| 13:57.24 | unborn | :D |
| 13:57.27 | quantic | themill: HYUK HYUK |
| 13:58.07 | jjholt | I'm running squeeze on my iBook-G3 since its the last one to support DRI on the r128, should I add squeeze-backports and squeeze-lts to my source.list |
| 13:59.18 | zln | Hi guys. I'm wondering how it comes that sudo expands my path to /sbin and /usr/sbin and tab completition works with sudo? How is this configured in debian? I'am running another dist, and on that distro, I have to write the full name of the command, tab completition doesn't work. And I have to change my PATH manually to include /sbin and /usr/sbin, otherwhise it says command not found |
| 13:59.42 | zln | I would like to implement same feature on my other distro too |
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| 14:02.35 | themill | zln: the _sudo() function from /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/sudo |
| 14:02.58 | zln | themill: thx man. I'll dig into it :) |
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| 14:11.12 | zln | I copied the file to the same dir on my other distro. Hope it works |
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| 14:12.08 | zln | na, it didn't. Think it has to be some more config somewhere else that handles it as well |
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| 14:22.43 | medicalwei | !keyboard |
| 14:22.43 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware, or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ . For help configuring up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>, <capslock>. See also <cherry>. |
| 14:22.44 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:22.49 | medicalwei | !keymap |
| 14:22.49 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 14:23.58 | medicalwei | i have a problem typing umlauts using mac layout. Alt-u -> o does gives me ö instead of o. |
| 14:24.01 | medicalwei | .........oops |
| 14:24.17 | medicalwei | Alt-u -> o gives me o instead of ö. |
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| 14:24.48 | medicalwei | i set this: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -variant mac -option ctrl:nocaps |
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| 14:59.56 | ChunkzZ | Fixed it. |
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| 15:00.41 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 15:01.07 | johnfg | I've got an external 500gb hard drive that needs some repair. |
| 15:01.34 | johnfg | I was running badblocks, but after almost all night, it was only 2% done. |
| 15:01.54 | johnfg | Is there a way to make badblocks work faster? |
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| 15:16.30 | syntroPi | where is defined when unattended upgrade (as described in https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades) using method I) /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades is beeing run? is it a cronjob? |
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| 15:17.06 | SolarNRG | how do i install the ati drivers on debian 8.1 last time I followed the instructions then rebooted I lost my gui and was stuck with command line only so I reinstalled |
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| 15:19.21 | SolarNRG | there seems to be a catalyst linux driver on ati's website shall i try that? |
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| 15:35.36 | SolarNRG | i got sid, unstable, etch, stable, lenny, testing and experimental which package is best to install? |
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| 15:37.34 | jeffno | I haven't seen any security announcement about the latest Iceweasel/Firefox hole, what gives? |
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| 15:40.29 | c0fe_machine | jeffno: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/0-day-attack-on-firefox-users-stole-password-and-key-data-patch-now/ |
| 15:40.33 | c0fe_machine | bird is the word |
| 15:41.05 | jeffno | I meant announcement coming out of Debian |
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| 15:41.57 | jeffno | https://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS |
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| 15:46.56 | jeffno | so I guess it doesn't affect stable, so no announcement? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-4495 |
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| 15:53.23 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, I have a question and I hope some guru here could help me :D I am running Debian Jessie. Running $gcc --version gives me gcc4.9. My kernel is 3.16(from repo), compiled with gcc4.8. I also have gcc4.8 in /usr/bin/gcc4.8. My question is why the need for gcc4.9? gcc4.8 seems to be enough though, I think. |
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| 15:55.30 | SolarNRG | you can't install ati drivers on debian 8.1 can you? |
| 15:55.33 | SolarNRG | great |
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| 15:55.56 | xreal | I might have found a bug. "getfacl -R -n" removes the leading slash (/), which makes "setfacl --restore=" stop working (file or path not found). When adding the slash manually, everything works as expected. |
| 15:56.00 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG: No,actually. I just have that question, though. |
| 15:56.20 | SolarNRG | it either can't be done or it's a lot of work |
| 15:56.45 | SolarNRG | And I am THIS " " close to downloading and installing ubuntu |
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| 15:57.10 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : I am sorry. I don't get your point. |
| 15:57.33 | bazhang | SolarNRG, paterus from earlier? |
| 15:57.37 | SolarNRG | look I want my graphics card to work properly and it's not debian's fault neither ati/amd won't support them |
| 15:57.50 | SolarNRG | no i installed debian 8.1 took all night |
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| 15:58.08 | SolarNRG | because I tried to install the ati drivers following some guide pasting in commands as super user and i buggered it up so i reinstalled |
| 15:58.23 | SolarNRG | the 2nd reinstall i forgot to add a user this is now my 3rd debian in the past 24hrs |
| 15:58.33 | bazhang | what guide was this SolarNRG |
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| 15:58.56 | SolarNRG | i don't have the link someone pasted it to me over in arduino |
| 15:59.05 | SolarNRG | turns out it'll only work debian 5.0 latest |
| 15:59.27 | SolarNRG | but i ended up only being able to log into command line no gui for debian after i did it the first time |
| 15:59.39 | SolarNRG | i downloaded the ati drivers and they say "unsupported architecture" |
| 15:59.50 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Debian 5.0? Seriously? |
| 15:59.53 | SolarNRG | I mean aren't ubuntu and debian basically the same thing? |
| 15:59.54 | SolarNRG | yeah |
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| 16:00.26 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : I have no exp on AMD devices, but NVIDIA. |
| 16:01.28 | hid3 | Hello. After `dist-upgrade` from wheezy to jessie, the upgrade fails with this message: [warn] Starting FTP server: vsftpd[....] vsftpd failed - probably invalid config. ... (warning). However, in the process list I can see vsftpd is running. What might be the problem? |
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| 16:01.58 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Anyway, there's the official guide on how to install AMD/ATI driver on Debian Jessie. How could you end up using some guide for Debian 5.0 ??? |
| 16:02.09 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 16:02.12 | SolarNRG | got a link? |
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| 16:02.30 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Come on. Google is free. |
| 16:02.39 | SolarNRG | I downloaded catalyst 15.2 |
| 16:02.48 | SolarNRG | this guide is for catalyst 14.9 |
| 16:04.20 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : NVIDIA driver in Debian repo kind of lagged behind NVIDIA's latest driver. I think it's the same thing to AMD. YOu gotta accept that (old) driver. |
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| 16:04.42 | SolarNRG | no this is the guide that killed my system |
| 16:04.43 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Or try find some guide on how to install AMD propietary driver |
| 16:04.53 | tmh1999 | GNOME ? |
| 16:04.54 | SolarNRG | when I went su and did the line on 2. update teh: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 16:05.01 | toshiba2770xdvd | i am running jessie on a pentium III 256 mb ram. The memory can NOT be upgraded. can anyone give me any tips on saving precious memory by disabling things i may not need? btw, i run icewm and yes every mb counts! |
| 16:05.03 | SolarNRG | i rebooted that's what killed my ssytem |
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| 16:05.28 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Maybe you should have a look in Xorg's log. |
| 16:05.48 | bazhang | using sed to install drivers? |
| 16:06.07 | bazhang | no way thats in the debian wiki |
| 16:06.42 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Did you do the step 3, creeate an Xorg server config file ? |
| 16:06.51 | SolarNRG | yep i did all that |
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| 16:07.09 | tmh1999 | Then have a look in /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 16:07.14 | SolarNRG | but don't I need to tailor all this to my specific ati card? |
| 16:08.26 | SolarNRG | this was on my first debian that i screwed up i kept getting some error message saying something about missing bla linux-pcxg-notfree |
| 16:09.12 | SolarNRG | this is a fresh install |
| 16:09.37 | SolarNRG | only thing ive done is installed xchat and had a go at the ati website drivers only to be told they don't support my architecture |
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| 16:09.49 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : In my exp with NVIDIA devices, no. I am not sure about yours. I recommend you find error in /var/log/Xorg.log, then google around. |
| 16:09.50 | SolarNRG | the drivers are intended i think for x86 im using x64 |
| 16:10.11 | tmh1999 | Sorry |
| 16:10.44 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Radeon cards need firmware-linux-nonfree from the non-free repository. I am not sure if it is all of them, but the ones I've had so far needed that |
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| 16:12.41 | SolarNRG | Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:13.19 | tmh1999 | SolarNRG : Need to add nonfree repo. |
| 16:13.24 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Do you have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:13.28 | Nik05 | SolarNRG you need to add contib and nonfree repositorties |
| 16:13.32 | Nik05 | repositories* |
| 16:14.10 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: You probably only have main. Add non-free (and possibly contrib) after main, and run apt-get update |
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| 16:15.34 | wallbroken | is there some limitation using debian from ssh instead of using directly it? |
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| 16:15.44 | wallbroken | (i'm sorry for the strange question) |
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| 16:16.33 | Nik05 | well wallbroken you need an internet connection... |
| 16:16.59 | wallbroken | dbian is a VM on a local machine |
| 16:17.04 | Nik05 | and only gives you a shell, altough you can also forward X (i dont know how that works) |
| 16:17.06 | wallbroken | so i can use loopback interface |
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| 16:17.53 | wallbroken | and is not possible to use framebuffer or audio trought ssh? |
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| 16:19.52 | Nik05 | wallbroken it probably is |
| 16:19.53 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: With Jessie's SSH and PulseAudio it should be somewhat easy to forward audio to the server |
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| 16:20.31 | wallbroken | and to hear it on the ssh client? i need to use some external software? |
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| 16:20.46 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: External software? |
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| 16:21.09 | wallbroken | ssh itserlf is not able to playback audio |
| 16:21.15 | SolarNRG | ok I'm superuser'd into sources.list no i don't have contib and nonfree the last lines are #jessie-updates bla 'volatile' then two deb lines under that |
| 16:21.23 | SolarNRG | what do I need to add? |
| 16:21.33 | Nik05 | get superuser or ask admin |
| 16:21.38 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Of course not. But it can forward sockets. And for PA clients, audio goes over sockets. |
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| 16:21.52 | Nik05 | oh wait you are, well just edit the file |
| 16:21.59 | SolarNRG | I'm able to edit it |
| 16:22.01 | SolarNRG | what do I add? |
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| 16:22.09 | Nik05 | contrib non-free after main |
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| 16:22.35 | SolarNRG | I don't understand |
| 16:22.44 | Nik05 | put that after main |
| 16:22.50 | Nik05 | 'contrib non-free' |
| 16:22.55 | SolarNRG | there are 6 instances of main |
| 16:22.58 | SolarNRG | 7 |
| 16:23.02 | SolarNRG | 8 sorry |
| 16:23.05 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Then put it 8 times |
| 16:23.17 | Nik05 | can you paste your sources.list on paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:23.17 | toshiba2770xdvd | i am running jessie on a pentium III 256 mb ram laptop. The memory can NOT be upgraded. can anyone give me any tips on saving precious memory by disabling things i may not need? btw, i run icewm and yes every mb counts! |
| 16:23.41 | valdyn | toshiba2770xdvd: what are you trying to run? |
| 16:24.17 | wallbroken | hexnewbie so, i also need a pulseaudio client |
| 16:24.23 | SolarNRG | ok i tried apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree again but I still get unable to locate package |
| 16:24.40 | Nik05 | SolarNRG please paste your sources.list on paste.debian.net |
| 16:24.46 | toshiba2770xdvd | valdyn, the laptop is going be used for web browsing, music listening and watching videos in low resolution |
| 16:24.59 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Not really. All software in Debian either supports PulseAudio, or ALSA which can use the PulseAudio plugin (even does by default, AFAICT) |
| 16:25.31 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, the client is not debian, but windows |
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| 16:25.39 | SolarNRG | http://pastebin.com/SCXkhhtG |
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| 16:25.54 | Neol | unborn: I'm on Jessie now :-) |
| 16:25.57 | Nik05 | that is not paste.debian.net but oke... |
| 16:26.04 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Then not even X forwarding would work, most likely. Unless it's a cygwin SSH server? |
| 16:26.10 | valdyn | toshiba2770xdvd: dont use a graphical browser |
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| 16:26.55 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Errr, sorry. I mixed the client and the server here. |
| 16:26.55 | Nik05 | SolarNRG it should work. Do an apt update before the install. Also you can remove the cd-rom lines from your sources.list |
| 16:26.56 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, it's a Virtualbox VM, which is running debian 8, the host is windows xp. so i need to connect to vm trought ssh |
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| 16:27.32 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: OK, you don't need PulseAudio forwarding (since VirtualBox uses your host audio), and X forwarding is also unnecessary (since there's seamless mode) |
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| 16:28.02 | toshiba2770xdvd | valdyn, i am already using dillo which is very fast but extremelly basic. netsurf is very nice but a bit slow. i am loooking for a web browser that sits in between those 2 mentioned. there is a web browser called surf but i do not like it at all |
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| 16:28.16 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: And sorry for carrying on a side-discussion about forwarding, which is apparently disconnected from your issue |
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| 16:28.34 | wallbroken | i use debian in tty mode, so it does not have clipboard trought host and guest working, so, i need to use it with a ssh client |
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| 16:29.03 | SolarNRG | thank you its working now |
| 16:29.09 | SolarNRG | the install is working |
| 16:29.09 | hid3 | Any ideas about 'vsftpd' failing to start after wheezy->jessie migration? |
| 16:30.19 | SolarNRG | can you explain to me what this line here does? aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 16:30.22 | Whitesquall | hid3: watch logs, try strace |
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| 16:32.00 | jordanm | SolarNRG: installs the the linux-headers package for your currently running kernel and the fglrx-driver package |
| 16:32.31 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Oh, so your original question was for limitations. There's no difference for text apps running in a SSH PTY or local PTY, and also many GUI/sound apps as X and sound can be forwarded (unnecessary for sound, VirtualBox does it for you). The problem is that the client is Windows, so the terminal emulator might work differently, and installing X is difficult ( |
| 16:32.33 | jordanm | SolarNRG: it was the old way to do things before dkms (fglrx-modules-dkms package) |
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| 16:33.24 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: But sans minor issues, terminal apps will work all the same, and GUI apps can be gotten to work (without 3D acceleration and such) |
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| 16:33.43 | SolarNRG | what is the deal with the xorg configuration file |
| 16:33.53 | SolarNRG | do I have to change "my gpu" to anything specific? |
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| 16:34.27 | __momak35NS | youtube movie that will change your life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcl6tl2FC98 |
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| 16:34.49 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Are you installing custom radeon drivers, instead of using Debian's? |
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| 16:36.21 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Getting full support for radeon usually means installing the linux-firmware-nonfree and rebooting, haven't had to touch xorg.conf in a decade. |
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| 16:36.36 | hid3 | Whitesquall: the /etc/init.d/vsftpd start says it failed to start, possible config issue. however, the daemon itself starts and work OK, nothing in logs... |
| 16:37.03 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, sound will go trought the vm host even if i play trought ssh session? |
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| 16:37.53 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Yeah |
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| 16:38.26 | ikus060 | Hello, previously in debian wheezy, I was using software-center to install apps. I cannot find it in debian Jessie. Was it removed ?? |
| 16:38.59 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: The SSH session makes no difference whatsoever, except for one thing: Daemons like consolekit "know" you aren't on the computer, and access to the sound card might be denied by default (fixed by adding your user to the audio group) |
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| 16:43.41 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, so the only problem is video |
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| 16:43.57 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: That's not an SSH problem. |
| 16:44.21 | wallbroken | i installed on the vm "openbox" |
| 16:44.26 | wallbroken | i play videos with vlc |
| 16:44.32 | wallbroken | but they playback slowly |
| 16:44.49 | wallbroken | it could be an hardware acceleration problem? |
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| 16:46.13 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: VirtualBox has some support for 2D and 3D acceleration, which requires the VirtualBox guest drivers. |
| 16:46.21 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: I would be surprised if that works well |
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| 16:48.11 | wallbroken | i already installed guest additions |
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| 16:48.15 | wallbroken | but not solved the problem |
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| 16:51.13 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: That's to be expected. Have you enabled 2D and 3D acceleration in the settings of the VM, and is Xorg.0.log showing its using the virtualbox drivers? |
| 16:51.37 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Also you might try mplayer -vo gl2 or something |
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| 16:53.22 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, let me paste you the log |
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| 16:56.53 | nolsen | Debian minimal doesn't have the sudo comand? or the mkpasswd command? |
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| 16:57.50 | asm35 | no, you have to install the sudo command |
| 16:58.12 | Whitesquall | nolsen: only su |
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| 16:59.17 | nolsen | How do I install the sudo command? |
| 16:59.20 | nolsen | What package? |
| 16:59.29 | hid3 | 'sudo' |
| 16:59.37 | nolsen | oh |
| 16:59.38 | Whitesquall | apt-get install sudo |
| 16:59.38 | nolsen | nvm |
| 16:59.43 | nolsen | but what about mkpasswd? |
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| 17:00.14 | TheCreeper | apt-get install mkpasswd |
| 17:00.24 | asm35 | after having installed sudo, enter the command "visudo" (root) to edit the sudoers file |
| 17:01.08 | nolsen | E: Unable to locate package mkpasswd |
| 17:01.18 | hexnewbie | nolsen: For some weird reason, mkpasswd is part of the `whois' package |
| 17:01.20 | nolsen | asm35: I know how to edit the sudoers file. |
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| 17:01.38 | nolsen | whois is already the newest version. |
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| 17:02.03 | hexnewbie | nolsen: You can install apt-file, and use `apt-file search mkpasswd', for example, to find where files are located. |
| 17:02.14 | hexnewbie | nolsen: Needs apt-file update first. |
| 17:02.17 | asm35 | 'apt-cache search mkpasswd' returns what ? |
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| 17:02.36 | nolsen | libstring-mkpasswd-perl - Perl module implementing a random password generator |
| 17:02.37 | nolsen | whois - intelligent WHOIS client |
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| 17:02.50 | asm35 | that's what I get on my system too |
| 17:04.34 | nolsen | oh, well, it looks like mkpasswd is installed. |
| 17:04.38 | nolsen | but not alias'd. |
| 17:04.41 | nolsen | like ifconfig |
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| 17:04.52 | hexnewbie | Aliased? |
| 17:05.15 | nolsen | hexnewbie: I would have to do /usr/bin/mkpasswd instead of simply entering mkpasswd |
| 17:05.22 | Whitesquall | what tells locate mkpasswd? |
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| 17:05.41 | hexnewbie | nolsen: Why? /usr/bin should be in PATH |
| 17:06.12 | nolsen | hexnewbie: I guess it's not. |
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| 17:06.29 | hexnewbie | nolsen: That's borderline crazy :) |
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| 17:09.27 | asm35 | echo $PATH |
| 17:09.34 | asm35 | what does it return? |
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| 17:13.12 | hid3 | Does systemd use /etc/inittab's configuration? I have console access set up via TTYS0, wonder if it will still work after the reboot... |
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| 17:13.51 | John[Lisbeth] | aptitude is written in ncurses, correct? |
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| 17:14.37 | frostschutz | hid3, <systemd> consoles? where we're going, we don't need consoles... *fwooosh* |
| 17:14.39 | hexnewbie | John[Lisbeth]: I think it uses its own text UI lib (which might use ncurses) |
| 17:15.16 | hexnewbie | hid3: I think inittab gets ignored, but I had gettys running in unexpected ttys (which I wanted) after the reboot |
| 17:15.29 | hexnewbie | hid3: Could never figure out how to change them |
| 17:15.49 | hid3 | so okay.. How do I make sure then that my console-over-serial setup still works? |
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| 17:16.12 | hid3 | also, could anyone running Debian 8 paste the output of command 'cat /etc/cron.d/php5'? I have deleted that file by accident.. |
| 17:17.03 | hexnewbie | emergency getty command in rc.local? |
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| 17:18.31 | Fjorgynn | hej söt |
| 17:18.36 | hexnewbie | might be something as easy as: systemctl getty@ttyS0 enable |
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| 17:18.43 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:18.56 | hid3 | hexnewbie: Okay. Then how do I set up the interface speed? |
| 17:19.00 | hexnewbie | hid3: Search internet for something similar and see what people say |
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| 17:19.18 | hid3 | OK. Will try to reboot to systemd first |
| 17:19.25 | DexterF | in an mdadm raid1 with 2 sata disks, can I hotplug them somehow? not sure but I think sata officially does not allow hotplugging |
| 17:19.27 | hexnewbie | Do you have other ttys? |
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| 17:19.42 | hid3 | in inittab defined, yes, a few. Plys the TTYS0 |
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| 17:19.46 | frostschutz | DexterF, sata is fine with hotplug, if it's running in ahci mode rather than ide emulation mode |
| 17:19.48 | hid3 | *plus |
| 17:20.29 | hexnewbie | I mean, you aren't upgrading over the serial one, right? |
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| 17:21.14 | hid3 | No, but I need the serial access |
| 17:21.17 | hexnewbie | Then reboot and check if getty@ttyS0 is running, and attempt to get it running (automatically, hopefully) with systemctl |
| 17:21.32 | hexnewbie | Worst case you'd switch back to sysvinit |
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| 17:22.02 | hexnewbie | Well, technically, worst case is something else breaks and system doesn't boot (half of my Jessie upgrades so far) |
| 17:22.05 | atomnuker | Is anyone else's Plasma 5 session just freeze when starting up? |
| 17:22.36 | atomnuker | I've narrowed the bug down to kwin crashing, but I don't see a bug report for something so serious so I think it could just be me |
| 17:23.00 | frostschutz | hid3, in the end there is only one way to find out. I sometimes like to kick a running system into read-only mode and then boot it (also read-only) in a qemu-kvm instance and see if it comes up... qemu also supports serial console. even so, still no guarantee it will work on the metal |
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| 17:23.51 | hid3 | well I found a few examples on the net |
| 17:23.56 | frostschutz | hid3, if you have serial access to your bootloader menu, add a recovery image if you don't already have one |
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| 17:24.21 | hid3 | Indeed I have. No need for recovery image I think |
| 17:24.28 | AppAraat | hi, I'm trying to pin this package called firejail, but for some reason it's not working. These are the apt configurations I'm using - http://pin.kpaste.net/ca2b0189f |
| 17:24.53 | AppAraat | I've tried #linuxmint-help first, but they told me this wasn't a Mint specific question to start with. |
| 17:24.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I got a ? i am using the tar -X swtich --exclude-from FILE |
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| 17:25.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | and have some paths /my/path/a and /my/path/b and the -X seems to not care i am trying to exclude and backups those paths? do i need to pu an * on the end or somehting? |
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| 17:27.36 | DexterF | frostschutz: good to know, thanks |
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| 17:29.37 | DexterF | can I switch a controller from ide to ahci without data loss? |
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| 17:31.07 | hexnewbie | DexterF: Data loss is the last thing I would expect from this operation. Hard drives might no longer work and all, but data loss is unlikely. |
| 17:31.27 | hexnewbie | DexterF: Unless you're somehow switching it on the fly |
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| 17:36.08 | DexterF | hexnewbie: nah, but lspci reports the controller in ide mode. I'll have to backup the disk anyway, so no problem |
| 17:36.31 | hexnewbie | Switching the mode of the controller won't break anything by itself, no |
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| 17:46.01 | peanuter | i am having difficulty setting up my new server raid 1. I have a pastebin showing what I have set and am looking for any insight on correcting the partition tables. |
| 17:46.04 | peanuter | http://pastebin.ca/3094404 |
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| 17:52.14 | MeatPopsicle | anyone know how to fix a USB drive thats showing 10MB capacity? it should be 8gb. im on debian but diskpart wont recognize the capacity either |
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| 17:54.11 | peanuter | have you tried gparted? |
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| 17:55.28 | cra1g321 | there is a HP tool i use that often would fix that problem for me, but its windows only |
| 17:56.25 | MeatPopsicle | yeah i have no windows |
| 17:56.31 | MeatPopsicle | trying fdisk now |
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| 18:00.42 | MeatPopsicle | listed partitions with fdisk and it looks like fdisk sees it as 10mb as well |
| 18:02.43 | hid3 | Okay. Now it seems that systemd was smart enough and from GRUB configuration it caught that I have a serial console... No fine-tuning needed |
| 18:03.14 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: How big is the partition, and how big is the drive? Isn't at least one of the two 8GB? |
| 18:04.33 | MeatPopsicle | the drive is reading as 10mb, im guessing its only seeing the 10mb partition, drive is 8gb |
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| 18:05.07 | hexnewbie | I was kinda expecting the opposite, 8 GB partition on 10 MB drive (as some fakes are sold) |
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| 18:06.47 | MeatPopsicle | no its a real drive i have been using it something happened and now it wont show full capacity |
| 18:07.14 | hexnewbie | Maybe it is just failing. |
| 18:07.39 | x86iac | MeatPopsicle: what does fdisk -l show the 10MB is probably just 1 partition (diagnotic?) |
| 18:07.41 | hexnewbie | Putting the actual fdisk output on paste.debian.net might help determine if that's the case |
| 18:07.44 | MeatPopsicle | idk, did -p in fdisk and got http://pastebin.com/sCbEWZtZ |
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| 18:08.08 | hexnewbie | Yeah, the device is no (longer) 8 GB. |
| 18:09.11 | MeatPopsicle | x86iac http://pastebin.com/AHbA2Q9B |
| 18:09.35 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie so its not recoverable? |
| 18:10.10 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Possibly no, but even if it was - I wouldn't try. I wouldn't rely on a drive that does that |
| 18:10.46 | MeatPopsicle | damn wanted a drive for distros and one for gparted |
| 18:10.51 | x86iac | you got dos on it? |
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| 18:11.35 | hid3 | How do I spin down the SCSI drives I do not use with `sdparm`? I used to use 'sdparm --command=stod /dev/sdX' but now instantly after doing that I see in dmesg '[ 551.701690] sd 2:0:1:0: [sdb] Spinning up disk...'. Probably it's systemd monitoring it and preventing from sleeping.. Any ideas? |
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| 18:11.46 | hexnewbie | x86iac: That's the partition table type (most common partition table type before GPT) |
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| 18:13.51 | x86iac | how come no partitions on it? |
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| 18:14.38 | frostschutz | hid3, usually it's ext2/3/4 polling its journal or something. I had to switch to XFS to make my disks sleep |
| 18:14.57 | x86iac | must be pretty old ... my oldest is 256MB ;) |
| 18:15.45 | hexnewbie | x86iac: Flash drives don't usually have partitions on them :) |
| 18:15.46 | hid3 | frostschutz: they all are XFS'es (years ago..). And they all are not being used, nor even mounted... |
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| 18:15.53 | hid3 | prior to the upgrade, all was good |
| 18:15.59 | hid3 | but after the reboot, not anymore |
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| 18:16.09 | hid3 | I highly suspect systemd is monitoring them and awaking |
| 18:17.14 | frostschutz | hid3, ah. there was a debug tool that would tell you which process was responsible... maybe just /proc/sys/vm/block_dump or maybe powertop or something like that, I don't remember |
| 18:17.55 | x86iac | hexnewbie: of course they do |
| 18:18.09 | hid3 | dam... I need to somehow make them sleep.. To save power and reduce noise... |
| 18:18.19 | x86iac | you can't use it without a partition and fs on it |
| 18:18.36 | hexnewbie | x86iac: A partition is totally unnecessary. |
| 18:19.06 | x86iac | i'm guessing the newbie in your nick is not a joke |
| 18:19.19 | hexnewbie | x86iac: What do you need the partition for? :) |
| 18:19.43 | frostschutz | partition table is the most commonly understood way to declare that a device is in use & for what. without partition table there can be misunderstandings |
| 18:20.26 | frostschutz | you may not need one but I would use one anyway |
| 18:20.45 | hexnewbie | frostschutz: I would simply use the flash drive as it was formatted when I bought it - without one. :) |
| 18:21.07 | hexnewbie | Also I never had issue figuring out what a floppy is used, although I rarely created partitions on a floppy |
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| 18:23.45 | hexnewbie | x86iac: That's how an average, off-the-shelf drive looks like: https://paste.debian.net/290376/ |
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| 18:25.09 | x86iac | where are you getting 14GB drives? |
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| 18:27.08 | hexnewbie | x86iac: That's 15.6 GB, not 14 GB. |
| 18:27.09 | dodo_ | Hi. I'm on Debian 8 (Jessie), I want to install wordpress in my server. Debian's repository currently have wordpress version 4.1.2, but latest release from wordpress.org is 4.2.4. Which one should I select?ch one should I select? |
| 18:27.26 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie any idea on how to recover the drive? |
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| 18:27.59 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: The data or the drive? |
| 18:28.12 | AvatarA | dodo_, why not just download from wordpress.org? |
| 18:28.25 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: I don't hink you'd be able to recover the data alone, you might need to seek the help of a data retrieval service or something. |
| 18:28.51 | MeatPopsicle | the drive, the data means nothing it was an ISO |
| 18:29.11 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Buy a new one. It costs less than the time you're thinking what to do about it :) |
| 18:29.29 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Besides, if you somehow fixed it, it is a sure way to destroy whatever data you write to it |
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| 18:31.58 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie I wanted to try some data recover but oh well ill do that in my spare time lol |
| 18:32.03 | bhutjolokia | What could cause fdisk -l to take several (10 to 15) seconds to respond? |
| 18:32.12 | MeatPopsicle | just run and grab another one |
| 18:32.28 | x86iac | is today fdisk day ? |
| 18:32.39 | bhutjolokia | x86iac: why? |
| 18:32.52 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: I/O overusage, controller or disk problem. Check `iostat -mxz 3', `iotop' and `smartctl --all /dev/device' |
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| 18:33.03 | x86iac | MeatPopsicle: see what testdisk/photorec shows |
| 18:33.44 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: the machine is pretty idle, fresh install. |
| 18:34.20 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: That's what it wants you to believe :) |
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| 18:36.02 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie let me grab it |
| 18:36.28 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Another thing that might be useful would be: Is the drive slow doing anything else? Such as, running stat on files, listing directories you haven't listed before, etc? |
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| 18:37.48 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: I just realized it's slow. It's two 500gb drives with md partitions. I wanted to mount them after the fresh install, so I fdisk'd and it took forever to respond. |
| 18:38.02 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: in short, I haven't tried anything, they're not even mounted... |
| 18:38.07 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Is it slow on one or both drives? |
| 18:38.22 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: pastebin cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 18:38.31 | garyDavid | Hi! |
| 18:38.33 | wallbroken | hexnewbie: http://sprunge.us/gZNY |
| 18:38.36 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: I don't know. fdisk -l takes too long to respond, I don't know *what* is causing the delay. |
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| 18:38.46 | garyDavid | How do I get the search engine in the toolbar back? |
| 18:38.48 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: My guess is mdstat shows the reason :) |
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| 18:38.58 | garyDavid | I moved it in the menu then I removed it in the menu. |
| 18:39.07 | garyDavid | That's in Iceweasel by the way. |
| 18:39.16 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbies testdisk is showing 10mb as well |
| 18:39.35 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Of couse, the drive has gone nuts. :) I doubt anything can be recovered |
| 18:39.54 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: So it's using the right one, DRI support and all. Try mplayer with -vo gl2 or -vo gl |
| 18:40.16 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: All normal except it says (auto-read-only) which I've never seen. |
| 18:40.17 | x86iac | MeatPopsicle: put it on a windows machine and run fdisk on it |
| 18:40.25 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: none of my other arrays say t hat. |
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| 18:40.36 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Is there a progress bar? |
| 18:40.53 | bhutjolokia | bhutjolokia: a progress bar? |
| 18:41.03 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Yeah. Is the MD device syncing at the moment? |
| 18:41.10 | bhutjolokia | bhutjolokia: no... |
| 18:41.20 | aswin | Hi I am trying to interact HC06 bluetooth module with my PC. |
| 18:41.33 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: the array says active (auto-read-only) raid1 sdc1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 18:41.37 | aswin | I am geeting some error while using rfcomm |
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| 18:41.42 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Well, and you've checked iostat that there is no io? And both devices in the RAID are showing the problem? |
| 18:41.44 | MeatPopsicle | damn, well im just going to get the 3 pack of lexar flash drives for 16$ lol |
| 18:42.01 | wallbroken | hexnewbie: http://sprunge.us/QQLh |
| 18:42.10 | MeatPopsicle | x86iac I have no windows machines, 2 laptops running linux only |
| 18:42.24 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: mplayer -vo gl2 /home/whatever/film.webm |
| 18:42.38 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: or...: mplayer -vo gl /home/whatever/film.webm |
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| 18:42.49 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: no, haven't checked iostat. Is that a command? |
| 18:43.03 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: what package is it in? |
| 18:43.06 | aswin | when I tried to open bluetooth device using "rfcomm connect 0" i am getting an error "Missing Dev parameters" |
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| 18:43.26 | aswin | can anyone help me please! |
| 18:43.31 | menace | did anyone successfully mirror the debian jessie repository with aptly? |
| 18:43.55 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Yes, it shows the utilisation of the drive, it's in the sysstat package: iostat -mxz 3 sdc sdb |
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| 18:44.11 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: But more importantly, is fdisk slow on both sdb and sdc? |
| 18:44.24 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Is it slow on any other drives in the machine? |
| 18:44.31 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: How can I tell? I just run fdisk -l... |
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| 18:44.57 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: You said it takes 15 seconds. You should be able to tell if it takes 15 seconds on just one device, or all of them :) |
| 18:45.24 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: nope, it blurps out the entire output after 15 secs. |
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| 18:45.34 | bhutjolokia | Unless that means it's taking forever on the first device.... |
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| 18:46.11 | Tedel | hello, is this a suitable place to ask a few questions about a Debian server configuration? |
| 18:46.13 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Do `fdisk -l /dev/sdb', then the same for sdc, and for the other devices :) |
| 18:46.24 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: It' |
| 18:46.34 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: Sorry. It's probably only the first device by your description, yes |
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| 18:46.58 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: no, I didn't realize I could fdisk -l per disk. They're all fine, all respond fast. |
| 18:47.15 | wallbroken | hexnewbie: http://paste.debian.net/290379/ |
| 18:47.16 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: So it's slow at discovering disks, nothing to worry about IMHO. :) |
| 18:47.21 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: individually... But fdisk -l with no disk takes long. |
| 18:47.48 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: You're running it over SSH, and not in the X server you started inside? |
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| 18:48.02 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: could be. The raid array /dev/md0 has Disk Identifier 0x00000000. Is this normal? |
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| 18:49.31 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: I don't think you have any issue. Just one thing: What does `fdisk --version' say? |
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| 18:50.13 | bhutjolokia | 2.26.2 |
| 18:50.23 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: ^^ |
| 18:50.26 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: util-linux 2.26.2? |
| 18:50.35 | bhutjolokia | hexnewbie: yeah, sid... |
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| 18:50.58 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, no. i'm running it directly in vbox with openbox started |
| 18:51.04 | hexnewbie | bhutjolokia: I wouldn't worry about it being slow, or about weird output for RAID arrays. It's probably slow because it's trying to list things it shouldn't |
| 18:51.24 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Pastebin: glxinfo |
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| 18:52.33 | wallbroken | command not found |
| 18:52.35 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Also: mplayer -vo help |
| 18:52.36 | MeatPopsicle | so hexnewbie I restarted my system and now the drive is reading proper size again |
| 18:52.55 | MeatPopsicle | well more proper, its showing a 29gb drive |
| 18:52.57 | baum | managed to kill his system....=/ |
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| 18:53.04 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Did you try taking it out and in again before rebooting? :) |
| 18:53.09 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, how to install glxinfo? |
| 18:53.26 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 18:53.41 | MeatPopsicle | yep and refreshing devices in gparted, I noticed something was wrong when my other drive was being read as 10mb as well |
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| 18:54.42 | MeatPopsicle | now i have to fix it from 29gb back to 8, the drive is saying sizes are 2048mb but linux is saying 512 |
| 18:55.15 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: sizes? |
| 18:55.28 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie its saying The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes. in gparted |
| 18:55.47 | MeatPopsicle | it happens occasionally with both drives |
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| 18:56.05 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: That's OK. The logical sector size is 512 bytes. That part is OK. Showing 29 GB is not OK, though... |
| 18:56.54 | MeatPopsicle | that happens, i think the drive is saying its that size |
| 18:57.43 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Actually, it makes sense. 8 GB is 15625000 512B sectors, and 15625000 2048Bsectors are 32 GB (29 GiB) |
| 18:57.46 | MeatPopsicle | usually i format it in a LiveUSB install but it wont recognize drives in debian |
| 18:57.51 | wallbroken | hexnewbie: http://sprunge.us/UEWi |
| 18:58.00 | wallbroken | plus: |
| 18:58.02 | wallbroken | libGL error: pci id for fd 4: 80ee:beef, driver (null) |
| 18:58.03 | wallbroken | libGL error: core dri or dri2 extension not found |
| 18:58.03 | wallbroken | libGL error: failed to load driver: vboxvideo |
| 18:58.05 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie its a pain but it happens |
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| 18:58.31 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Yeah, something is making it go crazy over the sector size |
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| 18:59.22 | MeatPopsicle | it happens sometimes |
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| 18:59.49 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Did you install virtualbox-guest-x11? |
| 19:00.13 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, i installed virtualbox guest additions |
| 19:00.23 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Also, how did you install the rest of VirtualBox guest drivers? From the debian package (virtualbox-guest-dkms) or in any other way? |
| 19:00.24 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie I just create a new dos partition table and it fixes it |
| 19:00.48 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: Are you sure it's not a parted bug? |
| 19:00.58 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: And fdisk -s /dev/sdX isn't reporting it correctly? |
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| 19:01.14 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie idk, it might be a gparted bug |
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| 19:01.46 | hexnewbie | MeatPopsicle: It sounds like gparted is using the wrong sector size and/or number to calculate the total size |
| 19:01.53 | MeatPopsicle | hexnewbie come to think of it the ISO writing programs recognize the proper size when gparted does not |
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| 19:03.03 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: The file it says is missing is in this package: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/virtualbox-guest-x11/filelist |
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| 19:07.34 | wallbroken | hexnewbie, acceleration hardware was deisabled |
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| 19:07.39 | wallbroken | now let me enable it |
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| 19:12.32 | wallbroken | hexnewbie: http://sprunge.us/VRfG |
| 19:12.36 | wallbroken | now is enabled? |
| 19:13.06 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: Well, on the guest-side it seemed enabled even bfore |
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| 19:14.05 | wallbroken | how to know if it's enabled or not? |
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| 19:14.12 | hid3 | When using systemd, where is the system boot log output stored? /var/log/dmesg file does not seem to be updated anymore.... |
| 19:14.23 | hexnewbie | wallbroken: I have no idea |
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| 19:15.40 | baum | uhm my system gets stuck during start-up after "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel changes." That means the error is probably due to the kernal loading a wrong module right? |
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| 19:16.46 | hexnewbie | hid3: Run journalctl |
| 19:17.29 | hexnewbie | hid3: Or rather: journalctl --dmesg |
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| 19:19.28 | hid3 | Okay... I need to learn the new commands... Thanks |
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| 19:21.04 | MeatPopsicle | with 4gb of ram could I smoothly run GNOME? |
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| 19:22.53 | SPF | MeatPopsicle: if you have a 486 computer, then no |
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| 19:24.32 | SolarNRG | i spent the last 3 hours reinstalling debian, last time i had a go installing the radeon drivers i now got BLANK SCREEN on boot |
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| 19:24.51 | SolarNRG | and I have no idea how you do the equivalent of a "system restore" on debian |
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| 19:25.30 | SPF | !tell SolarNRG about rescue |
| 19:25.42 | SolarNRG | what using the install disk? |
| 19:25.51 | SolarNRG | yep tried that 2nd install, reinstalled with no login |
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| 19:25.59 | SolarNRG | so my 3rd go was 3 hours ago |
| 19:26.06 | SolarNRG | this is now my 4th debian in the past 24hrs |
| 19:26.32 | MeatPopsicle | SolarRNG are you using the live images? |
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| 19:27.17 | pycoderf | hello debian people. has anyone here installed moinmoin before? |
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| 19:27.34 | Filystyn | help me |
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| 19:27.46 | Filystyn | im trying to use fancontrol but |
| 19:27.50 | SolarNRG | no its a proper install i formatted windows off my c drive for good, pah bastards hacked win7 and I couldn't even get into regedit I refuse to use windows 10 with all its spyware built in so I'm now at long last making a commitment to a primary linux os |
| 19:27.50 | Filystyn | i ned to run |
| 19:27.55 | Filystyn | pwnconfig |
| 19:28.02 | Filystyn | and ofc that shit does not run i gey |
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| 19:28.05 | Filystyn | get* |
| 19:28.05 | SPF | !tell SolarNRG abour rescue mode |
| 19:28.16 | SPF | !tell SolarNRG about rescue mode |
| 19:28.21 | SolarNRG | do you mean rescue mode from the boot cd? |
| 19:28.25 | SolarNRG | if so I tried that already |
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| 19:29.06 | SolarNRG | anyway every time I've attempted to configure my ATI 2GB radeon I've either been unable to boot the gui or black screen on boot |
| 19:29.06 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: I would *again* caution against installing the third-party drivers, and sticking to what comes with Debian :) |
| 19:29.07 | MeatPopsicle | Win10 doesnt contain spyware, Win10 is spyware lol |
| 19:29.19 | SolarNRG | MeatPopsicle, lol |
| 19:29.38 | Filystyn | stop it werks;-) |
| 19:29.53 | SPF | SolarNRG: you can install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 19:30.15 | SolarNRG | hexnewbie, you're probably right but what's the point in having an awesome graphics card if I'm essentially running everything in sofware render mode? |
| 19:30.35 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: The drivers that come with Debian offer full 3D hardware acceleration on the Radeon cards I've had so far |
| 19:30.35 | SolarNRG | it's not debians fault I empathize, it's ati's fault for ONLY supporting redhat, suse, opensuse and ubuntu |
| 19:30.54 | SolarNRG | so why can't I change my res into full 1080p hd? |
| 19:31.02 | MeatPopsicle | anyone use debian GNOME |
| 19:31.39 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Probably didn't work because of the missing firmware? |
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| 19:32.25 | SolarNRG | no this time round I changed my apt so it would get notfree and I got linux-firmware-notfree |
| 19:32.39 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: You can pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:32.47 | SolarNRG | hang on im on it |
| 19:32.48 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Also, even when it comes to non-free Radeon drivers, Debian has a package for them. |
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| 19:33.04 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Like, you can install them with apt-get, no need to download them from ati's website. |
| 19:33.26 | pycoderf | anyone know of a blog software that doesnt use php and is not wordpress |
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| 19:34.22 | SolarNRG | hexnewbie: http://pastebin.com/G4WakjxD |
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| 19:35.17 | SolarNRG | hexnewbie, explain to me step by step how i install the radeon drivers? |
| 19:35.31 | SolarNRG | this is a fresh install so i got to change the apt right? |
| 19:35.37 | SolarNRG | repositories |
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| 19:36.22 | hid3 | frostschutz: I've managed to spin down the SCSIs... |
| 19:36.34 | SolarNRG | I've gedit superuser opened up sources what have I got to put after main? |
| 19:36.52 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed now, and have you rebooted after installing it? |
| 19:37.05 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: contrib non-free |
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| 19:37.17 | SolarNRG | no I don't that was the last install, it blackscreened i reinstalled afresh this is a fresh install of debian 8.1 |
| 19:37.36 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: OK, so wait a second then. |
| 19:37.48 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Did you install anything after the firmware before it got blackscreened? |
| 19:37.52 | hid3 | Could anyone please paste the contents of '/etc/cron.d/php5' file in Debian 8? I have accidently deleted it and I believe it is required to regulary remove php temporary session files.... |
| 19:38.02 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: To make sure the firmware wasn't the cause... :) |
| 19:38.07 | SolarNRG | yes I super user changed the xorg library |
| 19:38.28 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: OK, so add non-free to sources.list, install the firmware and reboot :) |
| 19:38.31 | SolarNRG | I did the echo -e blablabla |
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| 19:38.53 | SolarNRG | what's the command, apt-get install linux-firmware-notfree ? |
| 19:39.10 | SolarNRG | yep |
| 19:39.16 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:39.37 | SolarNRG | unableunable to locate |
| 19:40.17 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: edit /etc/apt/sources.list; add non-free to all sources; run apt-get update |
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| 19:40.20 | SolarNRG | hang on im doing an aptitude update first |
| 19:40.21 | hid3 | Anyone to share the simple cron file> |
| 19:40.22 | SolarNRG | done that |
| 19:40.55 | SolarNRG | is aptitude update the same thing? |
| 19:41.03 | SolarNRG | as apt-get update? |
| 19:41.22 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Yes. You can use aptitude or apt-get, depending which you like more. They do almost the same thing |
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| 19:41.36 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: And their main commands are similar to almost identical |
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| 19:42.04 | SolarNRG | ok it's updated and it still cant locate firmware-linux-notfree |
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| 19:42.29 | SolarNRG | oh nonfree |
| 19:42.53 | SolarNRG | it's installing now |
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| 19:43.12 | SolarNRG | cor windows autospell has rotted my brain to the core |
| 19:43.19 | hegemoOn | is cjwatson@debian.org around ? |
| 19:43.30 | SolarNRG | ok it's installed but I got a load of possible missing firmware warnings |
| 19:43.33 | SolarNRG | reboot? |
| 19:43.52 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Reboot is the easiest way to test |
| 19:44.10 | udp-packet | Why don't you just send an email? I know its not instantaneous |
| 19:44.31 | hegemoOn | well it's been most than 10hours i started lfs |
| 19:44.35 | hegemoOn | and almost finished |
| 19:44.47 | hegemoOn | just libpipeline make check failing on inspect test |
| 19:44.47 | n-st | is there a faster way of getting random bytes than /dev/urandom (for overwriting a disk before encrypting it)? |
| 19:44.51 | udp-packet | You're doing LFS? |
| 19:45.03 | hegemoOn | wanting to chat with the owner of libpipeline |
| 19:45.20 | hegemoOn | as it says Please report to cjwatson@debian.org |
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| 19:45.31 | hegemoOn | so i was thinking may be he is online on irc |
| 19:45.33 | udp-packet | Upstream? |
| 19:45.35 | hegemoOn | udp-packet: yes i do |
| 19:45.36 | SolarNRG | ok back, reboot worked fine |
| 19:45.37 | hegemoOn | :) |
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| 19:46.01 | SolarNRG | and now wayhay I can do hd thanx v much! |
| 19:46.17 | SolarNRG | now i wanna try out the 3d engine in linux, got any good linux 3d games? |
| 19:46.27 | hegemoOn | steam |
| 19:46.31 | udp-packet | Nice. I've wanted to do LFS for over ten years. Never did though. |
| 19:46.50 | SolarNRG | i have a grudge against steam ever since hl2 |
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| 19:46.58 | hegemoOn | udp-packet: :) if you want to start i really advice you to do alfs |
| 19:47.00 | hegemoOn | and not lfs |
| 19:47.13 | udp-packet | SolarNRG: I've always been partial to the Quake series. |
| 19:47.17 | hegemoOn | cause its fucking boring to ./configure; make; make test; make install the whole day |
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| 19:47.39 | hexnewbie | Some of your Windows games might play under Wine. Especially the OpenGL ones. |
| 19:47.51 | udp-packet | Can't be much more boring than what I am doing right now. |
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| 19:53.20 | hegemoOn | what are you doing ? |
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| 19:53.29 | hegemoOn | being rejected by firewall ? |
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| 19:56.49 | SolarNRG | give me an example of a good opengl game that probably will run under wine |
| 19:57.10 | udp-packet | Nothing, been broke due to bills the last few weeks and its my weekend off so it isn't very exciting |
| 19:57.20 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: Search for what you have in https://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 19:57.50 | SolarNRG | will i have to install them in windows or can i install them in linux? |
| 19:57.59 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: The latter |
| 19:58.06 | udp-packet | Anyone remember WineX and Cedaga? I think Cedaga was a rename of WineX. |
| 19:58.28 | hid3 | After migration to Debian 8, my login motd is no longer updated - it does not contain the "uname -a" output on its first line, which was being displayed upn login. Is there any possibility to restore that? |
| 19:58.55 | hegemoOn | yeah |
| 19:59.02 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: appdb also contains instructions for how to run the games, and possibly optimize them (e.g. how to use wine regedit to switch a game to OpenGL and similar) |
| 19:59.16 | hegemoOn | we all broke from bills |
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| 20:01.11 | varaindemian | what's the differece between cd and dvd iso images? |
| 20:01.21 | varaindemian | for debian istallers |
| 20:01.27 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: The size |
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| 20:01.41 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: The netinstall CD is enough in most cases |
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| 20:03.24 | varaindemian | hexnewbie: so debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso should be good |
| 20:03.27 | hid3 | Answering my own question: /etc/init.d/motd start needs to be lauched... |
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| 20:04.11 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: Yeah, you'd have the needed packages downloaded during install. |
| 20:04.52 | SolarNRG | like i got a minor problem my monitor isn't displaying correctly the activities bar is invisible but I seem to be running at 1080p |
| 20:05.04 | varaindemian | hexnewbie: Will it download only free packages or both free and proprietary? |
| 20:05.07 | x86iac | SolarNRG: glxgears is just mesmerizing |
| 20:05.17 | SolarNRG | what is glxgears? |
| 20:05.41 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: It asks. However, it might be an issue if your wireless (or even network) card requires non-free firmware |
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| 20:06.24 | SolarNRG | how do i make my screen fit? |
| 20:06.34 | varaindemian | hexnewbie: thx |
| 20:06.50 | x86iac | w/ca |
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| 20:22.12 | hid3 | my motd does not get updated on system boot. 'systemctl -a | grep -i motd' does not return anything. Is there any way to take ccare of that so my motd would be updated each system reboot? |
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| 20:25.03 | hid3 | 'systemctl status motd' shows it's "Loaded: masked (/dev/null)". I think that's not very good... |
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| 20:26.42 | hexnewbie | hid3: On my system, /lib/systemd/system/motd.service is a symlink to /dev/null. I suspect that's the reason. |
| 20:26.50 | beowu1f | im having an issue where my keyboard and trackpad often freeze randomly (no matter which distro i use) |
| 20:27.01 | beowu1f | anyone heard of this before? |
| 20:27.32 | hexnewbie | beowu1f: Have you tried changing the USB ports? |
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| 20:28.05 | beowu1f | hexnewbie, i am using a laptop |
| 20:28.40 | hexnewbie | beowu1f: Does an external mouse freeze as well? |
| 20:29.17 | hexnewbie | beowu1f: And are you sure it's the keyboard/mouse? I get freezes of whole KDE sometimes, also might be video issues... :) |
| 20:29.41 | hid3 | hexnewbie: do you get kernel version output at 1st line after logging in to the system via ssh? |
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| 20:29.58 | hexnewbie | hid3: I don't think so |
| 20:30.10 | hid3 | eh.. I want that functionality back somehow... |
| 20:30.36 | hexnewbie | The question is why do you need it? Of course you can call /etc/init.d/motd start from rc.local... |
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| 20:31.57 | x86iac | rc.local is for system - he wants it probably in a .bashrc |
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| 20:32.31 | x86iac | uname -a in .bashrc? |
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| 20:32.50 | hid3 | no |
| 20:32.54 | hid3 | I want it for system wide |
| 20:32.55 | SolarNRG | ok the next problem i have is a) my speakers noise comes through all crackly and my microphone is real quiet |
| 20:32.56 | SolarNRG | any ideaS? |
| 20:33.00 | hid3 | I am used to that functionality |
| 20:33.18 | hid3 | I want to know the kernel verion, etc... Why this functionality was removed?? |
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| 20:34.08 | hexnewbie | hid3: This explains why it was done: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764841 |
| 20:34.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/764841 in openssh-server (open): «please use pam_exec to display "dynamic" motd»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-10-11; last modified: 2014-12-31. |
| 20:34.39 | hexnewbie | hid3: The dynamic motd functionality was moved to pam, but the openssh package wasn't updated accordingly |
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| 20:35.27 | hexnewbie | hid3: The comments there might give you some idea |
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| 20:36.16 | hid3 | okay, thanks |
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| 20:38.03 | hexnewbie | hid3: You probably just need to edit /etc/pam.d/sshd and add the uname line to it (taking it from /etc/pam.d/login) |
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| 20:39.40 | x86iac | that ain't how pam works |
| 20:40.11 | hexnewbie | x86iac: How so? |
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| 20:40.46 | x86iac | pam loads modules |
| 20:40.51 | hid3 | well |
| 20:41.00 | hexnewbie | x86iac: Precisely. So? |
| 20:41.02 | hid3 | I'll probably better add /etc/init.d/motd start to /etc/rc.local |
| 20:41.16 | hexnewbie | hid3: That way you'd get double uname in regular logins :) |
| 20:41.19 | hid3 | this is the old way - being done once per system boot, and not each time ssh session opens |
| 20:41.24 | x86iac | that is the way for system but not for each login |
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| 20:41.53 | SolarNRG | any links to sorting out sound driver issues? |
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| 20:42.18 | hexnewbie | hid3: Oh, my bad. The login pam doesn't read the dynamic motd, only calls uname |
| 20:42.28 | x86iac | this is module that can run uname http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_exec.html |
| 20:42.32 | hid3 | nevermind, I think I can live with that.. Considering that 'regular logins" almos tnever happens here. root was last logged in in 2011.. Must have emigrated to UK to work at factory, lol... |
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| 20:42.51 | chrislp | Hi. I have my Debian laptop docked up to external displays. Using xrandr, I can't turn off the laptops own monitor. E.g "xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off" makes the screen go black, but xrandr -q still shows LVDS-0 as active at 1920x1080. This disrupts my WM. Can anyone help? |
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| 20:45.17 | x86iac | hid3: 2011 that is gonna be one insecure system |
| 20:45.45 | hid3 | why? |
| 20:45.45 | hexnewbie | hid3: Adding /etc/init.d/motd start to rc.local has the advantage that once they fix the OpenSSH package, the new functionality will overwrite the pam file without interfering with anything :) |
| 20:45.48 | x86iac | kernel 2.6.33 or something? |
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| 20:46.05 | hid3 | 4.1.4 actually now... |
| 20:46.12 | hid3 | was 3.7.6 |
| 20:46.22 | hid3 | and before that it was 2.6.39.4 |
| 20:46.38 | hexnewbie | x86iac: Considering 2.6.32.67 was released two months ago, not in 2011 ;) |
| 20:46.39 | hid3 | I've meant that 'root' was last 'regulary logged in' in 2011 |
| 20:46.55 | hid3 | doesn't mean sudo wasn't used |
| 20:47.02 | hid3 | and system not maintained |
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| 20:47.30 | hexnewbie | Poor root. Victim to so much sudo identity theft. |
| 20:47.34 | hid3 | this system runs newer kernel than everyone on this channel has, lol :) |
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| 20:48.25 | hexnewbie | hid3: Mine's newer, I am with 3.18.20. :P (just kidding) |
| 20:48.34 | hid3 | yep.. poor root... I got an email from him today (smotheing to smartd related) and it had "Charlie root" set as his realname... FreeBSD'ish style. I've changed it to be that in ~2004 I think |
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| 20:48.50 | madprops | hi |
| 20:48.59 | madprops | where is APACHE_LOG_DIR typically found? |
| 20:49.27 | hid3 | oh, and FWIW this system is an upgrade from Potato. (from potato to jessie without skipping any release, not just a straight forward jump) |
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| 20:49.54 | intelikey | hello |
| 20:50.46 | hexnewbie | I think it was potato that destroyed the hard disk with my book collection. Or was it slink? |
| 20:51.19 | intelikey | trying to exicute a shell wraper named /usr/local/bin/mc which should exicute /usr/bin/mc_real i get this message >>> -bash: /usr/bin/mc: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.22 | hid3 | I wish I knew... How did that happen? |
| 20:51.31 | hid3 | probably you've used ext2 file system.. |
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| 20:52.41 | hexnewbie | hid3: I used fdisk wrong. It was the first time I had used it. Weirdly, I used it twice, the first time I did manage to use it right, but then I failed to install Debian, and on the second try... I deleted the wrong partition |
| 20:52.51 | intelikey | anyone know why the command "mc" would do that to me ? i just logged in so it's not like i changed something |
| 20:53.03 | hexnewbie | hid3: Or maybe that was hamm, because I remember having fun with dselect during the install |
| 20:53.04 | varaindemian | What packages does standard system utilities install? During installation I am asked about software selection |
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| 20:54.05 | hexnewbie | hid3: Anyway, I didn't have a problem with ext2. I had edited my boot scripts to run `e2fsck -y /dev/hda1'. That worked like a charm, lol. |
| 20:54.17 | hid3 | oh yeah.. dselect... |
| 20:54.26 | hid3 | I always tried to use cfdisk instead... |
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| 20:54.43 | hid3 | -y seemed to be bad |
| 20:54.48 | hid3 | -p should be used I think |
| 20:55.10 | hexnewbie | hid3: That was 1999-2000 - anything flew. :) |
| 20:55.12 | hid3 | also, ext<anything> is no good at all, it's sad I found that out that lately |
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| 20:55.46 | hid3 | switched to XFS like 5 years ago everywhere |
| 20:55.47 | phy1729 | the linux world ran on ext# for decades |
| 20:56.03 | hid3 | now I picked up a corporate job |
| 20:56.09 | hid3 | and guess what |
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| 20:56.24 | hid3 | they are using red hat 5 with kernel 2.6.18 and ext3 |
| 20:56.41 | hid3 | 10 years back... |
| 20:56.52 | hid3 | yes, it ran |
| 20:57.00 | hexnewbie | hid3: I like XFS for corporate use (in fact ext4 doesn't even work for us), but for personal desktop stuff I stick to ext4, and occassionally zfsonlinux |
| 20:57.07 | hid3 | in 2010 I spponsored Debian a mirror (LT) |
| 20:57.17 | hid3 | and used ext2 or ext3, i don't remember |
| 20:57.23 | hid3 | once night we had a power outage |
| 20:57.38 | hid3 | and FSCK was running for like 2 complete days (before it failed) |
| 20:57.46 | hid3 | then I understood that this isn't good |
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| 20:57.57 | hid3 | and started dropping it and looking for alternatives |
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| 20:58.18 | hexnewbie | it's true that XFS breaks less, but xfs_repair can fill gigabytes of RAM, take very long and leave the system FUBAR after the repair. |
| 20:58.34 | varaindemian | anyone? |
| 20:58.42 | hid3 | rsync of debian archive without any changes with ext2 (I think) lasted roughly 40 minutes. When switched to XFS on the same machine (Sun Enterprise 450 BTW), it took about 75 seconds to do the same |
| 20:59.03 | mtn | varaindemian, you want to know which ones, exactly? |
| 20:59.25 | hid3 | when xfs_repair should be ran? I've never had to deal with checking/repairing XFS, I thought it was automatic... |
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| 20:59.50 | hexnewbie | hid3: Only when the filesystem is in very bad shape and refused to mount |
| 20:59.59 | hexnewbie | hid3: That's very rare |
| 21:00.34 | hexnewbie | hid3: It's also triggered by hardware issues, such as buckling RAID arrays. |
| 21:00.35 | hid3 | oh, good then |
| 21:00.46 | hid3 | hardware raid is junk |
| 21:00.59 | hexnewbie | hid3: My case was worse - MD RAID ;) |
| 21:01.09 | hid3 | it's better actually |
| 21:01.16 | varaindemian | ntn: exactly |
| 21:01.36 | hid3 | if you have raid controller battery go wrong, you will get corrupted data on both disks. Disks unusable (raid 1 having in mind) |
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| 21:02.00 | varaindemian | mtn: exactly |
| 21:02.01 | hid3 | I never use hardware raid again. I try not to use raid at all |
| 21:02.24 | hexnewbie | hid3: The lesson is never to use MD RAID other than 1 - 5,6,10 can break any filesystem on them, but XFS worst. I've had data on two disks corrupted on 5 and 10, the filesystems were torn apart. |
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| 21:02.59 | cra1g321 | MD RAID ? |
| 21:03.00 | hid3 | so you mean MD RAID + XFS might sound not so good? |
| 21:03.18 | undisclosed | can you recommend a command line way of setting the time and timezone on wheezy please? |
| 21:03.20 | hexnewbie | hid3: ext4 had few files in lost+found, xfs had the contents of /etc/fstab as /bin/ls |
| 21:03.28 | rdz | hey all. when creating a debian package, should I add a depends: for coreutils? |
| 21:03.39 | rdz | or is this assumed to be installed anyway? |
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| 21:03.46 | hid3 | oh... |
| 21:03.48 | mtn | varaindemian, I am sure you can find a list somewhere |
| 21:04.02 | hid3 | so what would be the best choice for hardware for MD RAID then? |
| 21:04.08 | hexnewbie | hid3: Not really, the RAID array was itself going crazy, so it wasn't XFS fault. Ext3 also got broken in the same scenario. |
| 21:04.12 | hid3 | best = safest and calm sleep at night |
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| 21:05.01 | hid3 | I recall my /backups partition having XFS and something bad went with raid (10). Lots of errors were displayed there but I got rid of that server anyway |
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| 21:05.40 | SolarNRG | how do i install flash? |
| 21:05.45 | hexnewbie | hid3: Basically, one the disks in the RAID was failing and extremely slow. System couldn't boot, but Debian refused to accept SysRq E and I to kill the initramfs processes, so the RAID got dirty, and the disk went out in a dirty RAID, and the rebuild messed it up |
| 21:05.46 | SolarNRG | i got a yum file |
| 21:06.18 | hexnewbie | hid3: Moral of the story: Never use stock Debian kernel, because Magic SysRq is broken there |
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| 21:07.44 | SolarNRG | where is the browsers plugin directory? |
| 21:07.55 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:08.02 | SolarNRG | thankx |
| 21:08.20 | hexnewbie | SolarNRG: That's for Iceweasel/Seamonkey and Chromium. You could skip the latter if you don't have Chromium. |
| 21:08.32 | varaindemian | mtn: is it like a 'must-have'? |
| 21:09.13 | zippo^ | Hello, I have a problem with the Menu Main (alacarte). I cannot move a item to another menu / If I add icon , next is he be removed after OK |
| 21:09.16 | zippo^ | what can I do now? |
| 21:09.19 | zippo^ | must |
| 21:09.26 | mtn | varaindemian, standard system utilities? sure it is, at least you will miss them if not installed. |
| 21:09.29 | SolarNRG | install both yeah? |
| 21:09.35 | hid3 | hexnewbie: I never do! Besides, is Alt + SysRq + b still functional with systemd? |
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| 21:10.48 | hexnewbie | hid3: Magic SysRq is entirely handled by the kernel. S,U,B, and O are supported even in the stock kernel. E,I aren't, which in my case contributed to destroying my root FS. |
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| 21:11.09 | SolarNRG | thanks its working now |
| 21:11.24 | hid3 | I only use B (very rarely, though) |
| 21:11.25 | varaindemian | mtn: I guess I'll stick with the first one and last one. http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel |
| 21:11.36 | zippo^ | can someone helpe me please? |
| 21:11.37 | zippo^ | :/ |
| 21:11.43 | zippo^ | i know that you are busy |
| 21:11.48 | hexnewbie | hid3: I generally prefer O to B - it seems to me that B doesn't flush/sync/shut down the MD RAID arrays, and I feared it might leave them dirty. |
| 21:11.52 | hid3 | wonder if that magic is being transfered via SSH session (Windows -> Linux) or via serial console... |
| 21:11.53 | mtn | varaindemian, sounds good |
| 21:12.24 | hexnewbie | hid3: There's /proc/sysrq-trigger. You can write letters to it though the SSH session |
| 21:13.23 | hid3 | if the system is still usable, then yes |
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| 21:13.37 | hid3 | and if you are in a kernel panic without autoreboot, then you can't |
| 21:13.43 | hid3 | I mean, over serial console |
| 21:14.20 | hid3 | of course ssh will not be working in panic mode |
| 21:14.27 | hid3 | that's why I like to have serial consoles |
| 21:14.33 | hid3 | at least to see what's happening there |
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| 21:15.41 | hexnewbie | hid3: I've successfully written b to /proc/sysrq-trigger on a totally unusable system over ssh. The disks were dead, the shell wasn't. |
| 21:16.02 | hid3 | and yes, my personal server is quite old... HP Netserver E60. dual 700 MHz CPUs, 4x SCSIs (2x 18 Gb, 2x 36 GB, 1x60 GB IDE HDD< 1x 80 GB IDE HDD <--- This system claims not to support IDE devices at all!!!), 1 GB of ram, a couple of gigabit NICs and a couple of 100mbps ones, all of them Intel. Fancy system. It's fast... |
| 21:16.15 | hexnewbie | hid3: Serial console wouldn't differ, it's not a keyboard, kernel won't pick up SysRq key combos there. |
| 21:16.17 | hid3 | I saw someone was selling similar station: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-NetServer-E60-D7149A-ABA-Pentium-3-550-Mhz-64-MB-RAM-1-ISA-Slot-Posts-/370857333025?nma=true&si=tdDQw3u9dSJgcWyp5wXyuoysS%252Bc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 |
| 21:16.50 | hid3 | OK. Will have that in common... |
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| 21:18.29 | hid3 | BTW, in one of the photos you can see jumper configuration sticker on the mainboard... It never officially supported 700 MHz CPUs, let alone be them Coppermine. Forgot to mention the custom BIOS :) |
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| 21:23.15 | hid3 | One thing annoys me about that server - since I added a faster SCSI controller (U160) to PCI slot and moved all the SCSI drives there, I no longer get the SCSI activity led... Some wires will need to be rewired soon, I think. At least it blonks in IDE HDD activity |
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| 22:14.06 | Utils | I'm actually a little bit of a noob here. but I have this at the top of my bash script: ". /lib/lsb/init-functions" and I can confirm init-functions contains log_failure_message however it will say: ./Bot: log_failure_message: not found |
| 22:14.19 | Utils | The bash script I'm trying to run is owned by the user jlt, and of course init-functions is by root. |
| 22:14.32 | Utils | but I would like to run this as jlt instead of going into root all the time |
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| 22:15.22 | Utils | there is also runuser, although that's not in init-functions. not sure if it exists on debian. I followed this paste: https://gist.github.com/nariyu/1211413 |
| 22:15.44 | Utils | but when I noticed that line 8 is incorrect, and the echo_success / failure's dont exist, i corrected that the above mentioned. |
| 22:15.55 | Utils | any pointers please? |
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| 22:19.07 | x86iac | change the permissions on the file or make a group that can use it |
| 22:19.31 | x86iac | are you wanting to source the file? |
| 22:19.51 | x86iac | use 'source file' or '. file' |
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| 22:23.31 | Utils | source? not sure, it's basically functions that I wish to use in my bash script. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=158183 i found this. not entirely sure if this is related yet, but I'm using #!/bin/sh as suggested down the very bottom. |
| 22:23.40 | Utils | ill change permissions and see. |
| 22:24.23 | x86iac | yea you want to source that file |
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| 22:24.50 | x86iac | so once that file is 'executed' the parent script can use the stuffsssss |
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| 22:32.12 | Utils | Actually, I am using ". file" see here -> http://paste.debian.net/290436/ on jlt, it just errors instantly saying runuser and log_failure_message not found. As root, it doesn't error and the echo on line 18 does output as expected. nothing actually happens after that. |
| 22:32.37 | Utils | Strangely enough, if I try to stop the script as root, it will not say the echo on line 31 and will instead go straight to erroring saying log_failure_message not found |
| 22:32.43 | Utils | oh... |
| 22:32.48 | Utils | actually i know where i went wrong with that |
| 22:32.50 | Utils | message should be msg |
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| 22:35.11 | Utils | ok im getting somewhere now. i guess it needs to be ran as root, or the permissiosn of init-functions needs to allow for my user. |
| 22:35.25 | Utils | or for a group my user is in anyway |
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| 22:38.30 | Utils | is it a good idea to add my user (jlt) to the group root? |
| 22:38.43 | Utils | or well |
| 22:39.15 | Utils | wait i'm not even sure. init-functions has read permission for all, but write permission for only root. |
| 22:39.24 | Utils | so if that's the case, why wouldn't it work for jlt? hm |
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| 22:39.42 | Utils | oh i guess its because runuser is to be ran by root. |
| 22:39.43 | Utils | duh |
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| 22:42.08 | Utils | runuser -l "$USER" -c "$DAEMON $SCRIPT >> $LOG_FILE &" && log_success_msg || log_failure_message |
| 22:42.24 | Utils | I don't need to run it as any other user other than the current logged in user... what would I use instead? |
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| 22:43.41 | x86iac | what do you mean? |
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| 22:44.43 | ChinaGirl | so I need a server, and I have 4 3.5" hard drives with SATA connections. now, the $100 server I am looking at has connections for hot swappable 2.5" hard drives or hot swappable SAS 2.5" drives --- can I get some sort of conversion cord? |
| 22:45.06 | Utils | like I guess that line basically runs a command in a string, as another user? |
| 22:45.14 | Utils | what about if I just want to run the command? |
| 22:45.19 | Utils | without messing around with users lol |
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| 22:46.35 | x86iac | ChinaGirl: there are indeed connectors - go to mwave.com or newegg.com etc |
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| 22:52.30 | frostschutz | ChinaGirl, 2,5" could still have regular sata connectors but I guess that's a question for a hardware channel |
| 22:52.36 | Utils | Wow nice i got it working with eval. |
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| 22:57.52 | thomas5 | hello |
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| 22:58.27 | thomas5 | i installed the experimental firefox yesterday and it propably installed some other packages too |
| 22:58.37 | thomas5 | and now i can boot gnome |
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| 22:58.46 | thomas5 | cant |
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| 23:02.37 | ChinaGirl | regarding ssh/sshd... i ran dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server and it generated the public/private keys... then I ran ssh-genkey on my client and generated the public/private keys.... now I believe that I am to put the public key from my client onto the server... currently I put it in /etc/ssh.... but I think that is the wrong directory. Is it? |
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| 23:04.52 | x86iac | in the ~/.ssh dir |
| 23:05.24 | ChinaGirl | k |
| 23:05.40 | x86iac | and make sure it is 700 permissions owned by user |
| 23:06.32 | x86iac | you'll end up with a known_hosts file there also |
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| 23:09.06 | kline | when mounting a samba mount on another system, i end up with mismatched uids and gids. ive had a look around and the answers range from "use a fuse bindfs with mappings and remount it" to "just make all the systems have the same uids" - whats the best, modern way? |
| 23:11.10 | ChinaGirl | final question for the day --- if I install a headless system without x / gui, is it a fairly straight forward process to install, for example, xfce, in the future? apt-get a few packages and it's ready to go, or would it be a headache? |
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| 23:13.49 | IdleGandalf | ChinaGirl, it shouldn't be a problem. Just install the environment you want and you're good to go |
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| 23:15.23 | Waxhead | Hi, I am on stretch - loading blender takes over 10-15 minuttes. E.g. blender is started - remains idle (no cpu usage) but waits for a long time before starting. Is there anything I can do to trace/debug blender to try to understand what it is waiting for? |
| 23:16.08 | x86iac | ChinaGirl: just don't start the x - stay in 'terminal' |
| 23:16.54 | IdleGandalf | Waxhead, have you checked for iowait? maybe blender is waiting for io |
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| 23:18.03 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: for 15-20 minuttes ?! really? there is nothing chewing on my disks as far as I can tell |
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| 23:19.15 | ChinaGirl | x86iac, where is ~/.ssh ? I can't find it in /root/.ssh or /home/<user>/.ssh |
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| 23:21.19 | IdleGandalf | Waxhead, I have seen a lot in kinds of disk failures, 15-20 min is nothing on that regard. have you checked iostat? |
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| 23:21.34 | Deex_Ger | Hi |
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| 23:22.29 | Deex_Ger | May i ask a noobie questions about backports? |
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| 23:23.03 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: nope, I just figured out i could run strace .... appears blender hans on reading from /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb2/descriptors |
| 23:23.08 | Waxhead | *hangs |
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| 23:24.50 | IdleGandalf | Waxhead, are you on jessie or? |
| 23:24.50 | beowu1f | im having a difficult time determining what is causing my laptop keyboard and trackpad to randomly stop functioing. would the kernel log contain info maybe? |
| 23:25.05 | Deex_Ger | Debian and Nginx were often crashing while uploading some css, the google dev team gave me the hint that the version i use could only be in a developer test version. So i took a look into my sources and found this line here deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian importdeb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 23:25.13 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: as I wrote - I am on stretch |
| 23:25.13 | Patero-ng | does anyone know why my initial install of debian gives me an initfsram prompt instead then the desktop |
| 23:25.24 | Deex_Ger | So is it possible that i installed test versions because of the line for nginx? |
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| 23:27.00 | Patero-ng | will someone help me troubleshoot my recently installed debian |
| 23:27.02 | IdleGandalf | Waxhead, huh, sry I have miss that. did you try to open a file with blender? |
| 23:27.28 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: hehe again as I wrote - when I start blender nothing happens (no gui) I am just waiting for it to start... takes forever |
| 23:28.17 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: So the best thing I can do is probably strace as it shows where it hangs quite nice :) I also have issues powering off since systemd is waiting (for ages) for something that does not happen after kernel 4.0 upgrade |
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| 23:29.08 | x86iac | Patero-ng: did the install go well? |
| 23:29.14 | Patero-ng | x86iac yes |
| 23:29.32 | Patero-ng | x86iac I had to reinstall grub2 because I needed to chroot first |
| 23:29.33 | x86iac | why is it goint to initramfs prompt ? |
| 23:29.48 | x86iac | your chroot didn't do well |
| 23:29.58 | Patero-ng | on my laptop the usb goes to initfsram on my desktop it loads fine |
| 23:30.13 | Patero-ng | should I chroot it again? |
| 23:30.28 | x86iac | why are you chroot anyway? |
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| 23:31.13 | Deex_Ger | so no one could answer me this? |
| 23:31.14 | x86iac | edit the grub menu/conf something isn't pointing to correct place |
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| 23:32.27 | Patero-ng | x86iac on the debian irc chat it says to -t sysfs on another site it says to chroot I have to --bind /sys |
| 23:32.32 | Patero-ng | which one is correct |
| 23:32.49 | Waxhead | IdleGandalf: actually it appears it is not a blender problem. Trying to cat /sys/usb/bus/devices/usb2/descriptors will hang as well.... probably for a looong time :) |
| 23:33.13 | x86iac | Patero-ng: you are using the usb to boot both notebook and desktop? |
| 23:33.25 | Patero-ng | x86iac yea |
| 23:33.33 | Patero-ng | cool? |
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| 23:34.58 | ChinaGirl | Patero-ng, yes |
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| 23:37.05 | x86iac | are the drives on both desktop and notebook the same /dev/sd# |
| 23:37.48 | x86iac | did you install grub the same on both notebook and desktop? did you chroot install on both? |
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| 23:39.51 | Patero-ng | x86iac why do I need to do it on both |
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| 23:40.05 | Patero-ng | this is suppose to boot from multiple pcs not just on the pcs I configure it to work with |
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| 23:40.52 | x86iac | do on both what you did on the one that works |
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| 23:43.37 | Patero-ng | x86iac I didn't chroot on the desktop yet it works there, and I did chroot on the laptop but it doesn't load debian there |
| 23:43.45 | Patero-ng | it gives me some uuid not found |
| 23:43.56 | Patero-ng | some /disk thing |
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| 23:44.00 | x86iac | don't chroot on the laptop |
| 23:44.13 | x86iac | is /etc/fstab the same on both? |
| 23:44.24 | Patero-ng | good question |
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| 23:44.55 | x86iac | you are using uuid - they will be different on both systems - |
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| 23:45.10 | Patero-ng | how do I make it dynamic |
| 23:45.29 | x86iac | use the drives /dev/sd# |
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| 23:45.52 | Patero-ng | so where it says uuid=kjdk I put /dev/sdc |
| 23:45.54 | x86iac | i assume you did same 'install' partitions wise on both |
| 23:46.34 | Patero-ng | I didn't on both I installed the usb on the laptop not the desktop, the desktop doesnt' have a dvd drive |
| 23:46.43 | x86iac | yes but use the correct partition number |
| 23:46.44 | Patero-ng | I use a live debian from the notebook |
| 23:46.57 | Patero-ng | it is sdx2 |
| 23:47.03 | Patero-ng | and 3 for home |
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| 23:47.28 | x86iac | question: why aren't you boot off each and then mounting the usb? |
| 23:47.36 | Patero-ng | ok so I have to rename all uuid instances to /dev/sdx? |
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| 23:48.00 | Patero-ng | boot off from a live dvd? |
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| 23:48.05 | x86iac | to the correct /dev/sdx1 |
| 23:48.17 | Patero-ng | sdx1 has a swap partition |
| 23:48.19 | x86iac | have the machines boot themselves |
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| 23:48.37 | x86iac | you will need to do this for the swap too |
| 23:49.37 | Patero-ng | I need to reocnfigure boot parameters |
| 23:49.42 | x86iac | i hope you don't have anything important on these yet |
| 23:49.50 | Patero-ng | no |
| 23:49.53 | Patero-ng | just photos of unix |
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| 23:50.20 | x86iac | is unix your llama or lion? |
| 23:50.37 | Patero-ng | haha I donm't konw what you mean |
| 23:50.52 | Patero-ng | does it have anything to do with canonical |
| 23:50.56 | x86iac | i was goona ask what unix was wearing but ... |
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| 23:51.34 | x86iac | nvm - be careful this is tricky but you do have your live cd |
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