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| 00:00.14 | Miesco | Vasistha: Oh I mean nVLC. Can't find it. |
| 00:00.26 | Vasistha | Miesco: it's included in the vlc package |
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| 00:00.37 | ps_ | thanks arahael - I'm using cinnamon. To reduce computer resources I could use a window manager like i3? I assume the comman would be Xnest :1 & DISPLAY=:1 i3 & |
| 00:00.44 | Vasistha | Miesco: oh excuse me - vlc-nox |
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| 00:01.19 | arahael | ps_: Yes, assuming that's how you start i3. |
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| 00:02.23 | arahael | ps_: If xnest doesn't work properly, xephyr should - xnest is much older. xephyr is a full x11 server, I've only used xnest and it works well for me. |
| 00:02.39 | ps_ | When you run Xnest can you resize the window? Or is it fixed to a particular resolution |
| 00:03.03 | arahael | ps_: It's fixed at launch time. You can control it - see the man page for Xnest |
| 00:03.04 | abrotman | ps_: when you run it, you can specify a size,not sure about after the fact |
| 00:03.09 | garyDavid | cafuego: Dude I've tried even on the first dir - https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2023/DEF%20CON%2023%20presentations/Speaker%20&%20Workshop%20Materials/ - did not work still. |
| 00:03.16 | ps_ | Yeah, googling a bit suggests xephyr may be better |
| 00:03.24 | arahael | abrotman: Lets keep it simple. :) |
| 00:03.50 | ps_ | Is there any secuirty risks using Xnest? |
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| 00:03.53 | ps_ | are* |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | arahael: like .. reading? |
| 00:04.17 | arahael | abrotman: Heh. Good point. |
| 00:04.21 | ps_ | compared to xephyr* |
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| 00:05.02 | arahael | ps_: I doubt it. Remember you are ultimately planning on using hangouts. I think your manager was smart to mandate using hangouts, as it reduces the "tyranny of choice". |
| 00:05.22 | ps_ | ok i'll just install xnest and see if it works |
| 00:05.26 | garyDavid | cafuego: I think wget is unallowed or some sort. |
| 00:05.30 | arahael | ps_: You don't need the best solution. You need _any_ solution that _works_. |
| 00:05.52 | ps_ | yes, you're right |
| 00:05.53 | arahael | ps_: Once you have something that works, and you hvae the tiem, consider finding a better solution. But first, find a solution that works |
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| 00:06.55 | Otyugh | hey there |
| 00:07.10 | Otyugh | I'm looking for a way to create a magnet for a file |
| 00:07.19 | Otyugh | I only find ways to create torrents |
| 00:07.36 | Otyugh | Do you know about a procedure to creat directly a magnet ? |
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| 00:09.29 | Brigo | Otyugh, you can create them from transmission, the torrents client. |
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| 00:10.43 | Otyugh | Brigo: could deluge do that ? |
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| 00:10.55 | Brigo | Otyugh, i have never used it. |
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| 00:12.21 | Brigo | Otyugh, apt-cache show rhash, do it from command line (it claims) |
| 00:12.41 | Otyugh | would be awesome |
| 00:13.08 | Otyugh | Utility for verifying hash sums of files Oo |
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| 00:16.26 | ps_ | works great arahael - thanks |
| 00:16.48 | ps_ | just need to increase resolution a bit |
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| 00:18.12 | Tynach | Hi. How do I simultaneously remove a package, and install a new package from a .deb file? I know that dpkg does not handle dependencies, and I have to remove a few packages to install some .deb files. I was hoping there was a way to do this all at once. |
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| 00:20.12 | abrotman | Tynach: aptitude can do this. |
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| 00:20.38 | Tynach | abrotman, it can install packages from arbitrary .deb files? |
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| 00:21.09 | abrotman | oh, no .. can't do that |
| 00:21.19 | Tynach | That's what I'm wanting to do. |
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| 00:24.15 | themill | Tynach: you use a --force-depends shaped hammer and several dpkg calls. (which is what apt would do too) |
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| 00:25.13 | Tynach | themill, ok. |
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| 00:29.22 | malnek | Hey, I've been working on getting my old netbook up and running and I've got most things figured out (more or less). I'm stuck at getting my broadcom wifi working. Downloaded their driver and unpacked it, but it messes up on the make and I can'r make understand where it is going wrong. Anyone mind taking a look? http://pastebin.com/rUrrJL6A |
| 00:30.12 | maazu | malnek: get the official firmware |
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| 00:32.33 | malnek | thing is i installed their 80211 firmware, granted it was for weezy |
| 00:32.44 | maazu | !firmware |
| 00:32.45 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 00:35.02 | abrotman | malnek: which bcm device? |
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| 00:36.41 | malnek | abrotman: just to avoid giving faulty information, is there any way to probe that? |
| 00:36.54 | ps_ | arahael: i got xephyr and it is perfect. this link helped a lot http://www.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/2j793t/nest_i3wm_inside_unityubuntu_gnomesession/ |
| 00:37.49 | maazu | gotta |
| 00:37.52 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 00:40.17 | abrotman | malnek: lspci -nn |
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| 00:41.49 | malnek | abrotman: thanks. bcm4313 |
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| 00:42.32 | malnek | abrotman, i did apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
| 00:42.50 | malnek | and it ran without errors |
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| 00:44.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell malnek about bcm4313 |
| 00:47.10 | malnek | abrotman, thanks :) will attempt that |
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| 00:53.20 | malnek | abrotman: great help! It is now up and running - thanks! |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 01:00.51 | Otyugh | mhm ok, rehash is fine to creat a magnet, I could just add it |
| 01:00.58 | Otyugh | still the problem is seed the file first :s |
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| 01:01.25 | Otyugh | Arg :( |
| 01:01.54 | asterismo | hi |
| 01:01.59 | Otyugh | I thought moving the location and using force rehash was enought |
| 01:02.11 | asterismo | is there any otr encryption support for XChat IRC client? |
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| 01:13.50 | abrotman | asterismo: yes, ask #xchat |
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| 01:16.27 | cafuego | tickles abrotman under the chin |
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| 01:16.42 | abrotman | sneezes |
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| 01:17.14 | cafuego | bless |
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| 01:21.41 | tpw_rules | anybody done bridging and used systemd-networkd to configure it? |
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| 01:22.18 | jaggzee | regarding the ssh 10000 logins bug... ssh -lusername -oKbdInteractiveDevices=`perl -e 'print "pam," x 10000'` targethost <-- this doesn't work for me. I get 3 password attempts, with delays between them, and it aborts |
| 01:22.35 | jaggzee | re http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/bug-in-widely-used-openssh-opens-servers-to-password-cracking/ |
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| 01:24.30 | phy1729 | jaggzee: only FreeBSD is vulnrable by default |
| 01:24.54 | jaggzee | ohh.. |
| 01:25.04 | jaggzee | phy1729: what's different in debian? |
| 01:25.21 | phy1729 | UsePAM is no be default iirc |
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| 01:27.10 | jaggzee | I just installed libpam-shield.. I wonder if that enabled pam |
| 01:27.34 | jaggzee | where's the usepam setting? ahh.. there in sshd_config |
| 01:27.52 | jaggzee | mine's on |
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| 01:28.45 | jaggzee | phy1729: even on that system, ssh'ing to localhost with that command still fails after 3 logins |
| 01:29.39 | jaggzee | I'm not sure if I'm testing for the vulnerability correctly. if the system is insecure, I should get no delay, and as many requests as I can enter within my LoginGraceTime? |
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| 01:36.19 | rancyd | wouldn't something like fail2ban eliminate this threat? |
| 01:36.49 | rancyd | or just simply disbling password based logins |
| 01:36.58 | jaggzee | yeah but I don't have fail2ban nor libpam-shield installed and I can't reproduce the weakness |
| 01:40.44 | Brigo | jaggzee, may be there is no such weakness. |
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| 01:44.21 | abrotman | wonders where the bot went |
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| 01:44.47 | cra1g321 | send a bot to look for it |
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| 01:47.24 | abrotman | apt: find dpkg |
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| 01:48.14 | abrotman | apt: wake up |
| 01:48.23 | apt | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 01:48.23 | svetlana | ^_^ |
| 01:48.32 | peterrooney | dpkg: come back, we'll double your pay! |
| 01:48.58 | Brigo | peterrooney, 2x0 ... |
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| 01:50.42 | CooloutAC | hello all |
| 01:50.53 | CooloutAC | how can I verify this package before installing it? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/13.003/+build/5980712/+files/kernel-package_13.003_all.deb |
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| 01:51.40 | abrotman | CooloutAC: That's an Ubuntu package, not meant for Debian |
| 01:51.52 | CooloutAC | oh ok |
| 01:52.03 | CooloutAC | well I am on ubuntu guess i'd have to ask them |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | odd, ubuntu in the URL might have been a clue |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | CooloutAC: yeah, they even have their own, channel, #ubuntu |
| 01:52.23 | CooloutAC | lol |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | Yes, amusing |
| 01:53.31 | rancyd | eek, ive heard horror stories people adding ubuntu repos to thier debian |
| 01:53.44 | CooloutAC | ppa to debian will break things |
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| 01:54.06 | rancyd | it just feels dirty too |
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| 01:55.11 | cra1g321 | ppa to ubuntu may also break things ;) |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | and not related to #debian |
| 01:57.09 | CooloutAC | I use trisquel actually |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | CooloutAC: This isn't relevant to #debian, please get support elsewhere |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | looks at apt ... |
| 01:57.38 | CooloutAC | abrotman: trisquel is the best distro I've ever used |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | CooloutAC: Do you need help with Debian? Perhaps you want a general chat channel, this isn't it |
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| 01:58.08 | CooloutAC | abrotman: i use trisquel |
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| 01:58.52 | abrotman | CooloutAC: this is a support channel for Debian |
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| 01:59.38 | cafuego | actually, it's about ethics in Debian support |
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| 02:01.24 | cafuego | Yes, i was really waiting for a PM |
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| 02:02.04 | abrotman | were you blessed tonight? |
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| 02:03.14 | cafuego | this morning, you mean? no. |
| 02:03.19 | cafuego | I'm not ever blessed. |
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| 02:04.19 | abrotman | oh, right .. timezones suck |
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| 02:15.46 | antiatom | Can anyone explain this broken KDE5 package in sid which prevents many many packages from upgrading> |
| 02:16.57 | antiatom | plasma-desktop conflicts with kde-workspace-bin |
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| 02:18.39 | abrotman | antiatom: there is a transition going on |
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| 02:38.52 | SilverWhitefish | does anyone here know if there is a debian package that provides color in mono console? |
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| 02:40.30 | cafuego | SilverWhitefish: mono by definition isn't colour |
| 02:40.37 | SilverWhitefish | hahah |
| 02:40.41 | SilverWhitefish | thats funny |
| 02:40.46 | SilverWhitefish | good point |
| 02:40.57 | cafuego | SilverWhitefish: Are you after something that adds ascii colour codes to a terminal? |
| 02:41.04 | SilverWhitefish | yes |
| 02:41.26 | cafuego | for any specific apps? |
| 02:41.42 | SilverWhitefish | mono runtime |
| 02:41.47 | cafuego | If an app can do it, usually if the $TERM env is one that supports colours, the app will do it. |
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| 02:41.55 | cafuego | Oh, *that* mono :-) |
| 02:42.19 | cafuego | SilverWhitefish: Dunno... |
| 02:42.37 | SilverWhitefish | i checked out mono nightly and it worked but the application that runs under mono wouldnt excute because of sting format erros |
| 02:42.44 | SilverWhitefish | ya that mono :( |
| 02:43.13 | SilverWhitefish | if it were up to me id rewrite all the code in C/C++ but it seems thats an ongoing argument |
| 02:44.22 | SilverWhitefish | well i think you pointed me in the right direction |
| 02:44.25 | SilverWhitefish | thank you |
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| 02:45.55 | abrotman | SilverWhitefish: IIRC, there's a #debian-mono on OFTC |
| 02:47.02 | SilverWhitefish | abrotman, ok i'll ask there also |
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| 02:50.41 | greyness | anyone good with quota? |
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| 02:57.38 | cafuego | I decided disk space is cheaper than the time I spend messing with quota. |
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| 03:04.37 | greyness | i set a user to 100GB, yet it shows 249GB used, when the actual space is 4.0K |
| 03:04.39 | greyness | i dont get it |
| 03:05.05 | greyness | ive rebuilt the aquota.user file prob 500 times, it always changes back |
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| 03:29.41 | jovelianarc | hi, how can I tell if a package is installed by me or by apt? The package in question is nvidia driver, and call me stupid but I do not remember if I compiled it myself some time ago or using the distro version |
| 03:30.32 | somiaj | jovelianarc: if apt installs a package as an automatic dependency to some other package you requested it will have the auto flag turned on. You can see this easily with aptitude search ~i (for all isntalled packages) |
| 03:30.43 | somiaj | the Auto flag is the A with some of hte packages |
| 03:30.51 | jovelianarc | the driver works and I do not want to upgrade it accidentally because I have an old nvidia (470) |
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| 03:31.09 | jovelianarc | somiaj: thanks let me see |
| 03:31.47 | somiaj | jovelianarc: debian provides nvidia legacy packages, you should use that and any upgrade to it (which there will probabaly be none) are important (usually a bug fix or making it compadable witha newer kernel or xorg abi |
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| 03:32.34 | jovelianarc | somiaj: it is A next to it so it is debian, the driver in place is 340.76 |
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| 03:32.39 | somiaj | you shoudln't have to compile/install your own custom nvidia driver for an older card. If the legacy driver does not support your card, you should use nouveau (some of the old legacy drivers nvidia disconunited support for and they no longer work with the xorg in jessie) |
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| 03:33.04 | somiaj | oh that isn't even a legacy driver, sounds like you have a recent enough card. What version of debian are you running? |
| 03:33.38 | jovelianarc | jessie with custom kernel 4.1.3 |
| 03:33.59 | Bashmetim | Is there a preseed/late_command I can give to STOP the installer from rebooting? I need to manually do something before the machine reboots, but I can't find a way to stop it from rebooting |
| 03:34.00 | jovelianarc | it is nvidia gtx470 quite abit old but not that old |
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| 03:34.34 | jovelianarc | I had to get the custom kernel because of a bug in btrfs freezing |
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| 03:34.54 | somiaj | jovelianarc: that isn't old, old are before the renumbering (5000, 6000, 7000, to 9000 series) |
| 03:34.57 | yoloats | YO. any ideas why I'd be getting a connection refushed when I try to connect to tomcat? |
| 03:35.06 | yoloats | it looks like it's running |
| 03:35.21 | jovelianarc | somiaj: yeah maybe, i thought it is old by current standards, thanks for your help in any case |
| 03:35.27 | yoloats | even on local host |
| 03:35.29 | somiaj | jovelianarc: I would just use the debian dkms driver so it makes the module for the new kernels, and when you compile a kernel use make deb-pkg so you get both an image and headers package and install both. This means each time you upgrade the kernel it should compile a module for that kernle |
| 03:35.53 | jovelianarc | somiaj: that is what i had i believe |
| 03:35.58 | somiaj | jovelianarc: note there may be issues with newer kernels but usually it works, if not you may have to wait for backports or backport the driver from testing. |
| 03:36.18 | jovelianarc | ok thanks |
| 03:36.38 | yoloats | hm |
| 03:36.46 | yoloats | it looks like tomcat didn't start |
| 03:37.08 | somiaj | yoloats: if your internet it is up it is most like is 1) tomcat is not running on the server, 2) you have no route to the server (try trace route), 3) there is a firewall blocking the port you are trying to connect to. |
| 03:37.21 | jovelianarc | yoloats: check /var/logs for tomcat log? |
| 03:37.29 | somiaj | yoloats: jessie and systemd? |
| 03:37.45 | yoloats | huh |
| 03:37.51 | jovelianarc | maybe the port is occupied |
| 03:38.19 | somiaj | yoloats: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:38.21 | yoloats | which is the preferred java version for debian? |
| 03:38.26 | yoloats | SQUEEZE, sun |
| 03:39.23 | yoloats | does squeeze not support java 7? |
| 03:39.26 | yoloats | *apt-get |
| 03:39.34 | yoloats | wow that doesn't make sense |
| 03:39.50 | yoloats | is there a java7 package in the squeeze repos? |
| 03:40.15 | somiaj | Bashmetim: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-finish -- those are the only options I found. |
| 03:40.59 | somiaj | yoloats: oh so you are on squeeze, hopefully you are using the squeeze-lts repos and I forget if squeeze was the first version that does not include oracal's java (debian can't distribute it anymore) |
| 03:40.59 | Bashmetim | somiaj ooh, thanks! |
| 03:41.24 | somiaj | Bashmetim: I only saw options to make it power oof (not reboot) didn't see a way to avoid it |
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| 03:42.02 | somiaj | yoloats: if openjdk will not suit your needs (this is in the repos forsure) I would use java-package and genearte your own package from oracles binaries |
| 03:42.02 | yoloats | ok |
| 03:42.13 | yoloats | i'll just use ubuntu's reops for this |
| 03:42.21 | somiaj | yoloats: even if you found a sun java inside of non-free in squeeze, it will have no security fixes and being java is probabaly fairly vunlable. |
| 03:42.42 | somiaj | yoloats: don't mix ubunut's repos with debian, that will only cause problems. Use java package and make sure you get a secure version of orcales version of java 7 |
| 03:42.43 | Bashmetim | I'm going to try to make it give me the reboot_in_progress message. If it waits for me to click okay, I can just go to tty2 and run a quick script |
| 03:42.51 | Bashmetim | somiaj, worth a shot anyway :/ |
| 03:42.52 | yoloats | ok |
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| 03:43.28 | somiaj | Bashmetim: Maybe, my memory (is use the install very rarely) is that by the time you see that message the halt is almost complete and the cd is ejected, it is just wanting you to hit a key to acutally reboot. So no tty at that time |
| 03:43.53 | burmjohn | Hi all, I'm having some trouble mounting a logical volume (raid 5) on a new install (old raid 5 moved over). It detects the LV, however if I try to mount it I get the following error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' - any idea's? |
| 03:44.26 | cafuego | whatcha mounting specifically? |
| 03:44.29 | cafuego | which device? |
| 03:44.34 | yoloats | this is really stragne |
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| 03:44.44 | somiaj | burmjohn: that is a strange filesystem type. Sounds like you aren't mounting the actual partition/filesystem as that should detect the filesystem type |
| 03:44.48 | burmjohn | cafuego: mount /dev/storage/storage_lv /storage/ |
| 03:44.51 | yoloats | tomcat is definitely running, but ps -aux --lnp doesn't show it using any ports |
| 03:44.57 | Bashmetim | Huh. I found that calling 'false' in the partman/early_command paused the install by giving you an error message, but no such luck for the late command. I need to do something interactive at the last step though... |
| 03:45.05 | somiaj | yoloats: use netstat -a to see which ports are open |
| 03:45.18 | burmjohn | somiaj: yeah I have no idea why its saying that |
| 03:45.34 | cafuego | burmjohn: peculiar, I suppose maybe try specifying the fs type and see if it'll mount then. |
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| 03:45.56 | cafuego | burmjohn: odd that the md metadata would live where the fs expects the type to be |
| 03:46.08 | burmjohn | cafuego: I did, and I get this error: mount: /dev/mapper/storage-storage_lv is already mounted or /storage busy |
| 03:46.28 | yoloats | hm |
| 03:46.29 | cafuego | burmjohn: cat /proc/mdstat doesn't list any array issues does it? |
| 03:46.31 | yoloats | it's listening on 8983 |
| 03:48.09 | burmjohn | cafuego: State : active, resyncing |
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| 03:48.24 | cafuego | all elements present? |
| 03:48.48 | burmjohn | cafuego: all the drives? |
| 03:48.55 | cafuego | yeh |
| 03:49.01 | burmjohn | cafuego: yes, and tize seems right |
| 03:49.08 | burmjohn | cafuego: size |
| 03:49.13 | cafuego | burmjohn: Can you umount (-f) the lv? |
| 03:49.37 | cafuego | orrrr.... your current `pwd` isn't /storage is it? |
| 03:49.52 | burmjohn | cafuego: no its not |
| 03:50.07 | cafuego | any file server sharing /storage with the world? samba? nfs? |
| 03:50.33 | burmjohn | cafuego: nope this is a fresh install |
| 03:51.26 | cafuego | lsof? |
| 03:52.27 | burmjohn | cafuego: ? |
| 03:52.37 | cafuego | lsof /storage |
| 03:52.52 | cafuego | if it's really busy, that'll tell you what's using it |
| 03:53.17 | burmjohn | cafuego: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs Output information may be incomplete. |
| 03:53.21 | Bashmetim | I can let you know how that goes in just a minute... 70% done on a test insallation |
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| 03:54.33 | Bashmetim | It'd be really nice if I could conditionally halt the installation, only if a script doesn't return 0 in the late_command... I think I ask too much though |
| 03:56.55 | cafuego | Bashmetim: it's an open source project, submit a patch :-) |
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| 03:58.18 | Bashmetim | My patch would be 'use anaconda' - I don't think the debian team would like it (or me) very much, lol |
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| 04:10.28 | Bashmetim | For posterity's sake, setting keep-consoles and unsetting reboot_in_progress did what I needed! |
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| 04:14.10 | yoloats | where do error logs go in debian squeeze? |
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| 04:16.24 | cafuego | errors for what? |
| 04:16.52 | yoloats | nevermind. i fixed it |
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| 04:31.44 | yoloats | yo. how would I figure out why tomcat isn't coming up? |
| 04:32.02 | cafuego | usually logs files :-P |
| 04:32.10 | yoloats | which ones |
| 04:32.22 | yoloats | catalina.out doesn't have anything interesting |
| 04:34.01 | yoloats | ugh |
| 04:34.05 | yoloats | it was a permissions issue |
| 04:35.29 | cafuego | tadaaaah! |
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| 04:39.37 | yoloats | man |
| 04:39.43 | yoloats | solr installs aren't very fun |
| 04:40.15 | cafuego | I wouldn't know, I add 'solr' to the classes in hiera and it's done |
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| 04:59.19 | SolarNRG | how do I disable the stupid screensaver that locks me out? |
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| 05:00.04 | Equa | gnome? |
| 05:00.19 | SolarNRG | i have absolutely no idea |
| 05:00.31 | Equa | what DE are you using... find that out first |
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| 05:07.24 | SolarNRG | its gnome 3 |
| 05:07.33 | SolarNRG | how do i stop it logging out every 5 secs? |
| 05:09.33 | Equa | gnome screen saver or under privacy settings |
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| 05:15.02 | somiaj | SolarNRG: yea look around the display settings or else where for screen saver settings. |
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| 05:46.57 | SolarNRG | thanks somiaj |
| 05:47.05 | SolarNRG | i got it |
| 05:47.29 | SolarNRG | cos i was playing mother goose club or my little girl and she kept crying when the screen went black while i was trying to cook breakfast |
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| 06:13.25 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:13.36 | SolarNRG | sup |
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| 06:30.54 | Paterus | I'm having a performance problem with wine |
| 06:31.01 | Paterus | can anyone help me |
| 06:31.03 | Paterus | is worms |
| 06:32.34 | jmcnaught | linuxthefish: it sounds like the package you're trying to install depends on the exact version in wheezy while a newer one is the candidate (from wheezy-updates) |
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| 06:53.24 | linuxthefish | jmcnaught, debian security is the only updates one i have and even with it commented out i get this :( |
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| 07:18.02 | Paterus | I'm having performance with one game in debian using wine can someone help me, also why can't the game detect the keyboard in fullscreen |
| 07:18.09 | Paterus | I'm using gnome |
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| 07:21.48 | vincent_xcg | Hi everyone. I use the second answer from http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing when installing packages from testing. It seems better than the first one. Am I mistaken� |
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| 07:27.41 | ChrisH | vincent_xcg: the question is allways why do you want to install stuff from testing? To loose security support? Just for SNS? |
| 07:28.19 | vincent_xcg | Whatâs SNS? |
| 07:28.27 | ChrisH | !SNS |
| 07:28.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 07:29.18 | vincent_xcg | Anyway ChrisH, itâs because I needed something more recent. Itâs better to self backport, right? |
| 07:29.43 | vincent_xcg | Ok |
| 07:29.50 | fireba11 | rofl @sns |
| 07:30.14 | vincent_xcg | shouldnât be snss? |
| 07:30.45 | fireba11 | there is sns and then there is sns syndrome :-D |
| 07:31.29 | vincent_xcg | anyway I can detect what was installed from testing (on stable)? |
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| 07:32.43 | vincent_xcg | I think I wanted to install a newer iceweasel because something did not work with it⦠thereâs no stable backport is it? |
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| 07:34.30 | vincent_xcg | I remember now, gmail complained about it. |
| 07:36.40 | Patero | I have a question for you |
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| 07:37.38 | Patero | I installed debian on my usb stick using my laptop however I can only boot it from my desktop computer, my laptop shows a initfsram prompt error, can someone tell me why and how to solve it so I can run it on boths pcs |
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| 07:41.50 | Ouroboros | any idea why 'hdparm -N' might give an I/O error? is it the bios disallowing it? |
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| 07:41.50 | themill | vincent_xcg: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 07:42.54 | asteriskATmarmuD | I'm looking for a service to list the contents of a directory at least with mtime (size would be nice) - any hints, I'd like to safe some time and not start from scratch |
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| 07:44.29 | jelly | asteriskATmarmuD: a service? |
| 07:44.31 | vincent_xcg | Oh! thanks themill I never knew this one. I found out why I wanted a newer iceweasel, for the gnome 3 extension⦠I reverted to not testing. |
| 07:44.55 | asteriskATmarmuD | jelly: I need a service (server process) listening for connections, perhaps on a local socket. need to trigger that via a webservice (shich has not the sufficient rights to ll anything) |
| 07:46.50 | jelly | a web server with index autogeneration would probably be overkill |
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| 07:48.34 | vincent_xcg | In the past, debian recommended to use aptitude instead of apt-get, is that still true? |
| 07:48.53 | asteriskATmarmuD | jelly: I just want to implement a small programm which lists the contents a a dir passed to it via a parameter. thought about writing a bit of code listening for connections on local socket. |
| 07:49.45 | jelly | asteriskATmarmuD: let systemd or identd do that for you instead of reinventing the wheel |
| 07:50.04 | jelly | sorry, inetd |
| 07:50.55 | jelly | it's unclear whether you mean unix or tcp sockets, but I think systemd can initialize both |
| 07:51.59 | asteriskATmarmuD | jelly: ok, will read up on that. guess I could just have some bash script or perl behind that to do the work? |
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| 07:55.08 | jelly | wouldn't pick bash as first choice for a network service, but yes |
| 07:55.27 | cafuego | asteriskATmarmuD: Yes, but ESCAPE YOUR SHELL VARS |
| 07:56.17 | cafuego | also, an ftp server or rsyncd can do this |
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| 07:57.23 | jelly | gopher |
| 07:57.25 | jelly | hides |
| 07:57.31 | cafuego | eh-heh |
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| 07:58.03 | cafuego | aww, chrome doesn't support gohper:// |
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| 07:58.55 | Ouroboros | gopher? lmao |
| 07:59.24 | asteriskATmarmuD | for now I think Inetd is the way to go. but gotta clarify that it is available on the target system |
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| 08:00.54 | jelly | if you were insane you'd just run "ls -la /path" from inetd, but then you'd have to ParseLs |
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| 08:01.12 | ElTimo | If I were to share an ext4 volume with samba, would it still be readable by Windows? |
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| 08:01.33 | jelly | ElTimo: yes |
| 08:01.41 | ElTimo | Oh fantastic. |
| 08:01.48 | jelly | !parsing ls |
| 08:01.48 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.48 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 08:02.00 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:02.16 | ElTimo | Hmm. Now I have to hope my router supports EXT4. |
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| 08:03.57 | jelly | funny how a "router" can be a file or dlna server and usb host now |
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| 08:04.10 | ElTimo | Isn't it? |
| 08:04.16 | ElTimo | Mine has a dual core processor. |
| 08:04.25 | ElTimo | It's more powerful than my first desktop by leaps and bounds. |
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| 08:05.05 | hid3 | Hello. This morning I have rebooted one of my servers and it did not boot. I only got "grub>" prompt. I had to type everything manually to boot the system. When booted, I tried 'update-grup'. It finds all the kernels but at the end displays this message: "umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted". Any ideas what might be causing such behaviour and how do I fix my system so it's bootable again? |
| 08:06.31 | hid3 | `echo $?` after `update-grub` returns 0 |
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| 08:17.36 | asteriskATmarmuD | back to my process to list a directory. I need to pass parameters to it, like which dir, sortAttribute and sortDirection. this isn't possible with xinetd and could only be part of the communication between (client and server). isn't there a simple solution to my problem? :) |
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| 08:20.41 | neXyon | hi! can someone tell me what debian is printing when you run this line in a python 3 shell: print(__import__("distutils.sysconfig").sysconfig.get_config_var('Py_ENABLE_SHARED')) ? |
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| 08:40.05 | shiin | I'm installing jessie on an external drive on my iMac. It's asking me to install the boot loader to the MBR, since "it seems that this new installation is the only OS on this computer (...) should be safe to install the boot loader to the first hard drive". The external drive is recognized as sdd, which does not sound like the first. I want the boot loader to be installed on the external drive. What do I choose? Yes or no? |
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| 08:41.20 | babilen | I guess that you want "no" in that case. |
| 08:41.33 | babilen | (bit hard to say without knowing the exact question) |
| 08:41.52 | shiin | "Install the boot loader to the MBR?" |
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| 08:42.49 | shiin | I do want the MBR to be on the external drive. Otherwise it would be impossible to boot from it using the OS X Startup Manager. |
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| 08:43.25 | babilen | Did it not offer you a disk? |
| 08:43.54 | shiin | Uh, I think my problem just solved itself. I chose "yes" out of spite and now it's presenting me with a choice on which device. |
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| 08:44.40 | shiin | Should have known! |
| 08:44.51 | shiin | Thanks for your mental support though. |
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| 08:45.13 | babilen | You are welcome :) |
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| 08:46.53 | Maikel | anyone: where's the command pee in the debian repositorie of Jessy? |
| 08:47.08 | Maikel | jessie* |
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| 08:47.48 | jelly | Maikel: search for package contents on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:47.53 | jelly | or |
| 08:47.59 | jelly | dpkgm tell Maikel about apt-file |
| 08:48.03 | jelly | dpkg, tell Maikel about apt-file |
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| 08:48.53 | Maikel | ah thnx |
| 08:48.55 | Maikel | it's moreutils |
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| 09:01.37 | anddam | Knife IRC Channel |
| 09:01.39 | anddam | So I've started an IRC for all to come and chat about knife making and collecting. It's located on the irc.freenode.net server, and the channel is #knife_makers_collectors. Come join ! |
| 09:01.41 | anddam | Reply With Quote |
| 09:01.49 | anddam | ok, that was odd |
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| 09:02.08 | anddam | paste from random page while searching freenode related stuff |
| 09:02.24 | anddam | sorry for the accidental noise |
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| 09:03.47 | petn-randall | anddam: It happens. Didn't your IRC client stop you from posting multi-line content? |
| 09:04.38 | anddam | nope, I think it actually pushed me to do it |
| 09:05.02 | anddam | and btw I just checked, that channel is empty |
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| 09:19.13 | DarsVaeda | is keyboard layouts/input a debian or gnome thing? |
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| 09:21.56 | jelly | DarsVaeda: both, but gnome probably overrides system settings |
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| 09:23.15 | DarsVaeda | I want to be able to input hiragana/katakana with roman letters |
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| 09:23.24 | DarsVaeda | I found this page https://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE |
| 09:23.37 | DarsVaeda | but the constant noting of "Ubuntu" seems...well... |
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| 09:26.09 | petn-randall | anddam: Check the settings, most clients are able to show a confirmation dialog before pasting multi-line. |
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| 09:26.55 | petn-randall | anddam: irssi does this 'Pasting 10 lines to #debian. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel.' |
| 09:27.24 | SynrGy | DarsVaeda: consistent with it being a wiki where anyone can put anything they want in it? |
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| 09:28.37 | DarsVaeda | SynrGy, yes probably but makes you wonder about the validity, also all those questions |
| 09:28.54 | babilen | DarsVaeda: I simply use ibus-mozc and am very happty |
| 09:28.54 | DarsVaeda | I thought I better ask before installing something blindly |
| 09:29.35 | SynrGy | bisecting the changelog to see who put that there ... |
| 09:29.38 | babilen | (and ibus-pinyin for Chinese) |
| 09:29.46 | DarsVaeda | babilen, okay thanks I'll give it a try then :) |
| 09:30.12 | SynrGy | JackBates, not a primary contributor to the page |
| 09:30.36 | icjs | DarsVaeda, if you mean you have a japanese keyboard then i am not sure - otherwise, if you change the default character set to be unicode then you can input those characters using a tool like charmap |
| 09:30.50 | SynrGy | i think we can happily ignore this entire change: https://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE?action=diff&rev2=17&rev1=16 |
| 09:31.09 | babilen | mozc is the Japanese input system that developed out of Google's input method designed for Android/Chrome OS. It is quite good and probably better than anthy. You might want to compare the two of them though and pick whatever you deem more appropriate for your needs |
| 09:31.14 | SynrGy | babilen, DarsVaeda: think we should remove that entire section? or is there something useful in there? |
| 09:31.16 | babilen | Either way, ibus is the way to go |
| 09:31.28 | SynrGy | it seems to advise to use Ubuntu packages ... |
| 09:31.35 | SynrGy | or else edit it to make it right for Debian |
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| 09:32.00 | DarsVaeda | I'm trying ibus now but if babilen says it works I guess it will :) |
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| 09:32.15 | babilen | SynrGy: I'd definitely remove the references to those Ubuntu packages, but mentioning ibus-anthy and ibus-mozc wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 09:32.30 | babilen | I'll do it, one second |
| 09:32.33 | SynrGy | babilen: well, someone who uses this stuff and knows what's what should fix it ... hint, hint ;) |
| 09:32.37 | SynrGy | yep. thanks |
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| 09:33.41 | SynrGy | babilen: also, consider if "Recently" is the best way to start the section, given that it was written in 2011 and it's now 2015 ... |
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| 09:33.59 | SynrGy | better to say "ever since <name of Debian release>" |
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| 09:35.01 | DarsVaeda | ibus also has a github with info: https://github.com/ibus/ibus/wiki/Debian |
| 09:35.25 | SynrGy | (if that's a useful distinction anymore ... i mean, if squeeze doesn't have it, then i guess it's useful for some LTS users to know they don't have support for it) |
| 09:35.48 | SynrGy | nice. once babilen's done with it you can beef it up with any relevant xrefs |
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| 09:36.23 | SynrGy | DarsVaeda: anyway, in general, bisect the Info for a wiki page if you question the validity of anything in it |
| 09:37.28 | CharlotteFields | i've gotten debian install cd 1 (offline basic install) |
| 09:37.32 | DarsVaeda | nods |
| 09:37.50 | CharlotteFields | dd if=iso of=usb bs=8M, seems not to result in a bootable usb |
| 09:37.56 | CharlotteFields | checked for bootable flag |
| 09:38.04 | CharlotteFields | and iso boots in qemu |
| 09:38.12 | SynrGy | i wish there were 'blame' or 'annotate' for the history |
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| 09:38.19 | SynrGy | would make this sort of analysis less painful |
| 09:38.20 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: What is literally the command you used? Especially the of=X part. |
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| 09:38.48 | CharlotteFields | `dd if=deb.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=8M` |
| 09:38.58 | CharlotteFields | deb.iso was different but not wrong |
| 09:39.04 | CharlotteFields | forget the full name |
| 09:39.04 | jelly | CharlotteFields: the install guide suggests using "cp deb.iso /dev/sdb" instead |
| 09:39.16 | CharlotteFields | what is the difference... |
| 09:39.23 | jelly | it works better |
| 09:39.25 | CharlotteFields | most places suggest dd over cp |
| 09:39.33 | CharlotteFields | okay ty |
| 09:39.35 | jelly | most places are not official install guide |
| 09:39.57 | CharlotteFields | thats true but why is this iso any different to say linux mint or ubuntu isos ? |
| 09:40.09 | jelly | (I don't know why it works better in some cases) |
| 09:40.11 | SynrGy | it isn't. cp would work there too |
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| 09:40.31 | CharlotteFields | so dd should work...i'll try cp when i get home |
| 09:40.44 | SynrGy | dd should work. it's just not as efficient |
| 09:41.09 | SynrGy | and needlessly makes the user type extra stuff. and make guesses at optimal blocksize ... |
| 09:41.12 | SynrGy | which are probably wrong |
| 09:41.15 | SynrGy | hence less efficient |
| 09:41.23 | CharlotteFields | this opposes everything else i have learnt |
| 09:41.33 | CharlotteFields | SynrGy, it doesnt guess by default bs=1 |
| 09:41.38 | SynrGy | just because a thing has been handed down as lore for decades doesn't make it right |
| 09:41.54 | CharlotteFields | SynrGy, never said that was the case or that it was right |
| 09:42.00 | CharlotteFields | just opposes everything i know |
| 09:42.05 | petn-randall | This discussion is a little meta right now. dd with the right byte size should work roughly just as good. |
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| 09:42.15 | CharlotteFields | a but confronting but if it works for me i'll accept it. |
| 09:42.22 | CharlotteFields | sorry ty petn-randall |
| 09:42.38 | petn-randall | Also, we're trying to fix an unbootable USB image, not doing performance trials for writing USB images. |
| 09:43.19 | CharlotteFields | petn-randall, the only thing that seems to work is puppy linux |
| 09:43.24 | CharlotteFields | all iso's boot in qemu |
| 09:43.32 | CharlotteFields | debian doesnt work |
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| 09:43.37 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: Does the USB stick boot in qemu? |
| 09:43.39 | CharlotteFields | using the same dd write method |
| 09:43.57 | CharlotteFields | petn-randall, dunno how to do that but i used it to boot and install linux mint before |
| 09:43.58 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: You checked the hash + signature of the image? |
| 09:44.01 | CharlotteFields | now it wont even boot that |
| 09:44.16 | CharlotteFields | petn-randall, no but the fact it boots in qemu |
| 09:44.28 | CharlotteFields | it should at least show the options boot screen |
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| 09:44.32 | SynrGy | "it" = what? the image, or the image written to the USB? |
| 09:44.40 | CharlotteFields | the image |
| 09:44.44 | SynrGy | it's possible the USB is bad |
| 09:44.47 | CharlotteFields | i dunno how to boot usb in qemu as i just said |
| 09:44.55 | SynrGy | sorry, didn't catch up the whole thing |
| 09:45.07 | CharlotteFields | well... i did mess with it last week.. but it was only partiton table |
| 09:45.22 | CharlotteFields | i've done a full zero write since |
| 09:45.23 | SynrGy | well, that would be overwritten by the dd (or cp) |
| 09:45.27 | CharlotteFields | and reformatted |
| 09:45.34 | CharlotteFields | yeah exactly |
| 09:45.38 | CharlotteFields | so i doubt thats the issue |
| 09:45.39 | SynrGy | formatting would be irrelevant after the dd or cp anyway |
| 09:45.39 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: If the downloaded image boots, but the USB stick doesn't, I'd check if you correctly wrote it on disk, and verify that it's not corrupted. |
| 09:45.40 | SynrGy | yep |
| 09:46.01 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: Could be that you accidentally tab-completed to of=/dev/sdb1 instead of sdb, that would make it unbootable. |
| 09:46.02 | CharlotteFields | how would i verify it petn-randall |
| 09:46.11 | SynrGy | CharlotteFields: did you 'sync' after writing prior to physical removal? |
| 09:46.26 | petn-randall | CharlotteFields: I think the Debian manual has a section on that. |
| 09:46.57 | SynrGy | i'm thinking some of the image didn't get flushed to the USB |
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| 09:47.06 | CharlotteFields | SynrGy, alsol dunno how to do that |
| 09:47.11 | SynrGy | type the command: |
| 09:47.12 | CharlotteFields | sync? |
| 09:47.12 | SynrGy | sync |
| 09:47.21 | CharlotteFields | just that, okay |
| 09:47.22 | CharlotteFields | ty |
| 09:47.25 | CharlotteFields | i'll go home |
| 09:47.26 | CharlotteFields | try |
| 09:47.32 | CharlotteFields | and be back in 12hrs ish |
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| 09:47.38 | SynrGy | k. good luck |
| 09:47.42 | TDSoul | is installing another Jessie |
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| 10:32.44 | rancyd | clion is windows only.. i thought jetbrains always supported linux |
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| 10:33.24 | rgr | clion isn't windows only. |
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| 10:38.38 | rancyd | omg, overlooked tabs on dl page |
| 10:38.55 | rancyd | only on 2nd cup of coffee this morning, my bad |
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| 10:39.36 | rancyd | anyone here have any experience with clion? |
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| 10:40.50 | rancyd | seems like it still has some issues which wouldnt be too big a deal if it wasnt 30 dollars |
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| 11:03.53 | emmywinks | hi everyone, i have no clue what it means but: CharlotteFields says thanks cp followed by sync worked for her. it's like magic 'cp deb.iso /dev/sdb && sync' |
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| 11:05.19 | SynrG | heh |
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| 11:08.13 | SynrG | for the curious, whether dd or cp is used, blocks that are written to the device aren't flushed until the OS decides it's a good time to flush them (after a period of time elapses) or else 'sync' or 'umount' are executed |
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| 11:09.00 | SynrG | hence when a mounted USB is involved, you just need to umount or 'eject', but in the special case of writing a whole image to it, you need to always sync (but some people get lucky because they wait a long enough time before pulling it) |
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| 11:18.02 | woshty | Are there newer kernels than 3.16 for jessie in backports? |
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| 11:19.18 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 11:19.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3); experimental: 4.1.0-trunk-686-pae (4.1.2-1~exp1) |
| 11:19.35 | SynrG | it appears the answer is 'no', though that could be incorrect ... |
| 11:19.42 | SynrG | packages.debian.org should be authoritative |
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| 11:36.57 | hid3 | Hello. This morning I have rebooted one of my servers and it did not boot. I only got "grub>" prompt. I had to type everything manually to boot the system. When booted, I tried 'update-grup'. It finds all the kernels but at the end displays this message: "umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted". Any ideas what might be causing such behaviour and how do I fix my system so it's bootable again? |
| 11:37.01 | hid3 | `echo $?` after `update-grub` returns 0 |
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| 11:38.34 | epsilon | did you run grub-install <device>? |
| 11:39.01 | epsilon | and check if your raid / discs are OK |
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| 11:39.20 | hid3 | raid disks are okay |
| 11:39.44 | hid3 | I think update-grub also invokes grub-install and rewrites the MBR, doesn't it? |
| 11:40.49 | epsilon | afaik no |
| 11:41.31 | hid3 | hm... |
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| 11:41.38 | hid3 | but okay |
| 11:41.53 | hid3 | if I get "grub>" prompt, doesn't that mean that MBR is OK? |
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| 11:47.20 | frostschutz | hid3, if you booted with grub (typing manually or no) then grub is okay, but the grub.cfg is probably shot |
| 11:49.22 | hid3 | well, not sure what might be wrong with it... No one messed around with it, no one except me has got access to thi system |
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| 11:57.41 | petn-randall | hid3: What error does grub show then? Do you have other devices (USB?) attached that might be booted off of, instead? |
| 11:59.29 | epsilon | if unsure just run standard rescue procedure, boot a live linux, mount and reinstall grub |
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| 12:12.38 | DarsVaeda | babilen, what debian version are you using? |
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| 12:18.04 | babilen | DarsVaeda: I'm currently tracking testing + unstable with testing as default |
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| 12:19.24 | DarsVaeda | ah just as you answer I figured how to use mozc ^^ ãããã¨ã |
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| 12:23.21 | rook2pawn | i have a AMD Kabini [Radeon HD 8210] vga controller, but need some help in installing its driver |
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| 12:38.22 | Fr3d3r1c | hello |
| 12:38.38 | ocb | hi |
| 12:39.10 | Fr3d3r1c | i need good and easy smtp system for my debian vps because my postfix installation doesn't work well |
| 12:39.29 | Deiwsots | hi, what do i need to receive files over bluetooth? Which packets i need to install? |
| 12:39.31 | Fr3d3r1c | do you knonw one ? |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | what's wrong with your postfix? |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | postfix is pretty easy |
| 12:40.56 | Fr3d3r1c | wait a moment, i will past my line error code |
| 12:41.04 | abrotman | paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:41.35 | svetlana | Deiwsots: install the `bluetooth' package. Then a gui tool from the list (pick one for your desktop): https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser#Pairing_using_a_GUI_tool |
| 12:42.54 | Deiwsots | svetlana: I installed but i can't receive files from smartphone to pc |
| 12:42.57 | Fr3d3r1c | http://paste.debian.net/291301/ |
| 12:43.44 | Fr3d3r1c | i used the google confirmation page but it changes nothing |
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| 12:44.18 | abrotman | so, you're just having problems using Gmail as a smart host? |
| 12:44.52 | Deiwsots | svetlana: I was reading about bluez-obexd and obex-data-server, do are they really necessary to make it works? |
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| 12:45.56 | Fr3d3r1c | the error seems nothing |
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| 12:46.29 | Fr3d3r1c | but it's not important, i will remove my installation and try another solution |
| 12:46.44 | abrotman | uhm, okay .. that seems a bit drastic |
| 12:46.45 | hid3 | petn-randall: sorry for late response, been AFK. The problem that no error is being displayed, it boots straight into the grub's command prompt. I do not have any other devices attahced - it is a server |
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| 12:47.23 | abrotman | Fr3d3r1c: it's telling you that your username/password aren't correct |
| 12:47.23 | Fr3d3r1c | nobody, not even google has the solution |
| 12:47.38 | Fr3d3r1c | my username and password are correct |
| 12:47.48 | abrotman | not according to Google |
| 12:48.18 | abrotman | Fr3d3r1c: what is the OS on your VPS? |
| 12:48.29 | Fr3d3r1c | either it's postifx that is the problem, or it's google but nothing can tell me what is the problem |
| 12:48.55 | Fr3d3r1c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.24 | abrotman | you're going to have to share your configs .. because at this point, it seems to be user error |
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| 12:49.44 | abrotman | Aug 10 21:04:51 vps92914 postfix/smtp[30245]: warning: database /etc/postfix/sasl/sasl_passwd.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/sasl/sasl_passwd |
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| 12:49.49 | abrotman | might have something to do with it? |
| 12:49.51 | r6ku | Deiwsots: are you sure you're not just missing some firmware? |
| 12:50.14 | Fr3d3r1c | no sorry |
| 12:50.19 | Fr3d3r1c | i stop there |
| 12:50.20 | dan__w | should rpc.idmapd be running continuously as a daemon ? |
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| 12:50.26 | abrotman | Okay, sounds like a plan |
| 12:50.50 | Fr3d3r1c | postfix is the big shit, i will try another solution |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | Okay, good luck |
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| 12:51.09 | abrotman | that was productive |
| 12:51.12 | dan__w | Iâm connecting to an NFSv4 server, FreeBSD. Their version of the idmapper is called ânfsuserdâ and seems to run as a daemon |
| 12:51.34 | Deiwsots | no buddy, I've installed firmware-atheros |
| 12:51.47 | dan__w | but my Debian jessie machine doesnât |
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| 13:02.00 | ChrisH | dan__w: from my understanding that daemon is expected to be there allwyas if NFS V4 is activated. (not wanting to start a flamewar) Does NFS V4 works between Debian and FreeBSD? Did you test with high load and big file transfers? |
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| 13:03.13 | dan__w | NFS working fine, mounts and can transfer files. itâs just ID mapping thatâs all wrong - ânobody:nobodyâ or uid & gid of 4294967294 |
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| 13:03.56 | dan__w | Iâm starting rpc.idmapd manually and Iâm getting - |
| 13:03.57 | dan__w | rpc.idmapd: nfsdopenone: Opening /proc/net/rpc/nfs4.nametoid/channel failed: errno 2 (No such file or directory) |
| 13:03.58 | dan__w | rpc.idmapd: main: open(/run/rpc_pipefs/nfs): No such file or directory |
| 13:04.04 | dan__w | excuse the two line paste⦠|
| 13:04.14 | ChrisH | dan__w: do you need ID mapping? |
| 13:04.28 | dan__w | yeah unfortunately I do |
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| 13:05.14 | dan__w | anyhow, google seems to be helpful with that error so Iâm trying a few things now... |
| 13:05.47 | ChrisH | dan__w: OK, then have fun. I was lucky and could kick V4 everywhere as it allways failed... but I have one place where I need ID mapping and tried to use CIFS/SMB instead but that makes more trouble then NFS v4 did in the past |
| 13:06.08 | dan__w | thanks Chris :) |
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| 13:33.40 | keekz | can we please remove the bad repo: Err http://http.debian.net/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports/main linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 amd64 3.2.68-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1 >> 503 Service Unavailable [IP: 128.31.0.66 80] |
| 13:34.18 | hid3 | drop an email to mirror admins |
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| 13:34.24 | phale | does anyone hjere know what this means |
| 13:34.26 | phale | Aug 11 15:40:30 glimmer wpa_supplicant[847]: wlan1: CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=a0:f3:c1:a2:67:f2 reason=4 locally_generated=1 |
| 13:34.27 | phale | Aug 11 15:40:30 glimmer NetworkManager[522]: <warn> Connection disconnected (reason -4) |
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| 13:34.45 | keekz | hid3: where can i find their contact info? |
| 13:36.02 | hid3 | hm.. good question |
| 13:36.17 | phale | these obscure reason codes are annoying |
| 13:37.37 | hid3 | keekz: debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org |
| 13:38.01 | keekz | hid3: thanks.. how did you find that? i've been googling around and reading debian.org mirror pages with no luck |
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| 13:38.36 | themill | keekz: that's unlikely to be the right information given that's the mirror redirector's IP |
| 13:38.39 | hid3 | keekz: I am one mirror owner, so I looked up the emails... |
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| 13:38.45 | phale | so can anyone help me with what this means |
| 13:38.46 | themill | !which hdn |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
| 13:39.00 | keekz | hid3: ah =] |
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| 13:39.40 | ioudas | phale, there are existing reason codes for wireless https://supportforums.cisco.com/document/141136/80211-association-status-80211-deauth-reason-codes |
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| 13:41.26 | phale | ioudas: so im disconnecting due to inactivity? |
| 13:41.41 | ioudas | yes possibly, try running an icmp ping non stop |
| 13:41.42 | hid3 | How do I test if file locking works properly on my system? I suspect there might be some issues after kernel upgrade... |
| 13:41.45 | ioudas | or some traffic. |
| 13:41.54 | ioudas | each manufacturer can code their own reason codes |
| 13:42.01 | phale | ioudas: okay |
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| 13:42.20 | ioudas | im not sure what exactly its doing... but if youre getting dropped |
| 13:42.37 | ioudas | or what exactly your problem is... but thats a good first step is those codes + ap testing |
| 13:42.43 | phale | it disconnects me, starts scanning again |
| 13:42.45 | phale | and then reconnects me |
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| 13:44.29 | ioudas | yep, youre on the right track then |
| 13:44.32 | ioudas | ;-) |
| 13:44.36 | phale | i've done this before |
| 13:44.39 | phale | and i received the same error code |
| 13:44.45 | phale | i did: ping google.com & |
| 13:44.55 | ioudas | and did pinging stop? |
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| 13:45.25 | phale | yes |
| 13:45.29 | phale | after it disconnected |
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| 13:45.48 | ioudas | yeah, youre dropping. Question is why. You need to play with AP/card settings. Normally when this happens the most common issue is chipset between the controller and device. |
| 13:45.57 | ioudas | could be channel settings... |
| 13:46.14 | ioudas | start diaging the AP. then move down to the device.. try different chipsets. |
| 13:46.20 | ioudas | etc. |
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| 13:46.35 | phale | ioudas: an interesting thing to know |
| 13:46.43 | phale | when I put my laptop near the AP, and then put it back to its original location |
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| 13:46.49 | phale | its faster and more reliable |
| 13:46.51 | phale | for some reason |
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| 13:48.25 | ioudas | ap signal and drop outs can be very hard to diag. You can look at interface stats. but each manufacturer puts their own interface stats out. You need to be able to trouble shoot the device and its settings and the AP. some combo will reduce the drops... if the ap is not getting communication because of an interference issue, the drop will come from either side. You have to figure what side, and what makes it drop. AP settings are the first place to start |
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| 13:49.01 | ioudas | Walk around doing icmp testing to see if latency moves... and a laptop.. also stress test network throuput walking around to find dead spots/drop spots |
| 13:49.36 | jelly | phale: maybe you convince the driver to use less txpower or different multiple-antenna geometry and then things work better, who knows... wifi algos are complex |
| 13:49.49 | phale | ioudas: I tried changing channels, one at a time. This did not change the speed or affect anything with the wi-fi connectivity. According to someone at #networking, I appear to be experiencing DNS issues, since this dropping appears to occur mostly when im loading a http/https website. |
| 13:49.51 | ioudas | you wanna play with sleep mode on the client |
| 13:50.03 | ioudas | AP settings for timeout, channel and power. |
| 13:50.40 | ioudas | then ping an IP. and see if it deauths. dns fails for a deauth for obvious reason. |
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| 13:50.47 | ioudas | you can easily script nslookup every second to a file as well |
| 13:50.52 | ioudas | its not gonna be dns for you |
| 13:51.08 | ioudas | not with that error code and a single wifi interface atleast |
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| 13:51.16 | phale | ioudas: i also skip some icmp sequences |
| 13:51.19 | phale | is that normal as well |
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| 13:51.23 | ioudas | no |
| 13:51.38 | phale | it mostly increments the sequence counter by 1 or 2 |
| 13:51.40 | phale | not sure why |
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| 13:52.01 | ioudas | because the previous one is stalled... you should be able to isolate problem parts with wifi and the devices and testing. |
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| 13:52.34 | ioudas | we have a metal ware house.... i run into that all the time... with random dead spots.. you will have them on any AP. regardless. |
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| 13:52.50 | ioudas | if you deauth.... thats a sign of comm |
| 13:52.56 | phale | comm? |
| 13:53.00 | ioudas | communication |
| 13:53.24 | ioudas | deauths you will find primarily start on client side as well |
| 13:53.37 | greyness | anyway to force quota to update? ive tried quotacheck -uvmf /, but its still showing incorrect disk usage for some users |
| 13:53.45 | phale | so this deauth |
| 13:53.49 | greyness | one user is actually using 85GB, but quota shows 110GB |
| 13:53.50 | phale | this happens normally? |
| 13:53.51 | phale | or |
| 13:53.52 | ioudas | so try different wifi cards... atheros. is a great to test. |
| 13:53.59 | phale | I've already switched wifi cards |
| 13:54.02 | phale | two, to be exact |
| 13:54.06 | ioudas | what chipsets? |
| 13:54.21 | ioudas | what ap? |
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| 13:54.25 | phale | well, the first one that came with this computer was a rtl8192ce realtek semi conductor |
| 13:54.31 | phale | the second one is a wifi dongle, ralink rt5730 |
| 13:54.34 | ioudas | ah a realtek... you dont say |
| 13:54.36 | phale | AP, TP-LINK |
| 13:54.38 | beastwick987 | Hi everyone, when I resume from sleep, my network interface remains down and I have to manually restart the service. |
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| 13:55.51 | knivsta | hi |
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| 13:57.01 | phale | ioudas: now, im not sure if that adapter was experiencing issues in the first place since this dongle appears to be experiencing them too |
| 13:57.12 | ioudas | if multie dongles have the issue |
| 13:57.15 | ioudas | it points to AP |
| 13:57.17 | phale | i dont have other dongles |
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| 13:57.38 | ioudas | well you have 2 wifi cards.. with presumably different modules |
| 13:57.42 | ioudas | if they exibit the same signs |
| 13:57.42 | phale | yes |
| 13:57.45 | ioudas | that points to AP |
| 13:58.01 | ioudas | thats part of your diag process.... |
| 13:58.07 | phale | why would the AP be problematic if other devices use it fine |
| 13:58.24 | ioudas | wifi specification issues between the vendors |
| 13:58.32 | phale | ah |
| 13:58.38 | ioudas | realteks.... suck |
| 13:58.40 | ioudas | wifi wise |
| 13:58.41 | phale | well, my channel is at 1, mode is 11n only and channel width is auto |
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| 14:01.41 | phale | im not sure what im supposed to tweak here |
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| 14:03.03 | ioudas | start ap wise, change channels.. look at host log... look at client logs. look at all the settigngs on both side.. clients its tx power and wake on lan... AP. its channel mode, etc. i am not familar with tp link |
| 14:03.21 | ioudas | but you may have device timeout settings/etc. |
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| 14:04.09 | ioudas | you can also look at the stats on both sides, of the wifi card and AP |
| 14:04.12 | phale | all the logs show is just some ACK and other requests |
| 14:04.14 | ioudas | assuming your tp link has them |
| 14:04.37 | phale | "1E8-4E-06-0D-9A-22STA-ASSOC569587 |
| 14:04.37 | phale | " |
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| 14:04.43 | phale | wifi statistics from 192.168.1.1 |
| 14:04.47 | ioudas | those logs are inportant right there |
| 14:05.10 | ioudas | if those logs are on the AP.... for a device you can match them with the client |
| 14:05.16 | ioudas | and see what the AP thinks happend |
| 14:05.22 | ioudas | and what the client device thinks happend |
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| 14:05.37 | phale | you mean like tcpdump? |
| 14:05.52 | ioudas | kinda, that log you posted is a mac address and association in the AP |
| 14:06.00 | ioudas | it says hey.. associate this station to the AP |
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| 14:06.29 | ioudas | if you see no disconnects for the device on the AP.. you will see them if you do have that kinda log above.... |
| 14:06.33 | ioudas | then the client is disconnecting |
| 14:06.37 | ioudas | or vice versa |
| 14:07.03 | phale | yeah |
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| 14:07.55 | phale | ioudas: sorry, im not sure what you're talking about since im not experienced in networking |
| 14:08.03 | ioudas | i gathered that ;-) |
| 14:08.41 | phale | "[ 4919.959710] wlan1: authentication with a0:f3:c1:a2:67:f2 timed out |
| 14:08.41 | phale | " |
| 14:08.50 | ioudas | yeah, your logs are there |
| 14:08.54 | ioudas | you need to learn how to read them |
| 14:08.56 | phale | this is on my client |
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| 14:09.45 | cyril3d | hi |
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| 14:10.30 | cyril3d | Is there someone here who could tell me why expires statement in the .htaccess is not taken into account please? |
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| 14:10.49 | cyril3d | I'm on a Debian / Apache 2 server |
| 14:11.04 | phale | ioudas: so im timing out? |
| 14:11.30 | cyril3d | and I add the following lines in the .htaccess: |
| 14:11.35 | cyril3d | <IfModule mod_expires.c> |
| 14:11.36 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.38 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.39 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.41 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.42 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.57 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.00 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.01 | phale | lol |
| 14:12.02 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.03 | ioudas | phale, possibly on a client.. you need more logs.. and you need more knowledge to read them.. i can try to help. |
| 14:12.03 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.05 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.06 | ioudas | if you post both logs |
| 14:12.06 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.08 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.09 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.11 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.12 | ioudas | i think you need to read this |
| 14:12.12 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.14 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.15 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.17 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.17 | greyness | wow |
| 14:12.18 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.19 | phale | ioudas: from the TP-Link and the client? |
| 14:12.20 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.21 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.23 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.23 | greyness | this guy never heard of a paste bin? |
| 14:12.24 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.26 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.26 | ioudas | yep |
| 14:12.27 | matthiaskrgr | someone found a way to work around the auto-spam-kick, nice |
| 14:12.27 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.29 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.30 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.32 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.33 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.34 | phale | lol |
| 14:12.35 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.42 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.44 | ioudas | http://csrc.nist.gov/archive/wireless/S10_802.11i%20Overview-jw1.pdf page 22 |
| 14:12.44 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.46 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.47 | cyril3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.47 | greyness | and now hes ignored |
| 14:12.49 | cyril3d | </IfModule> |
| 14:12.49 | greyness | :) |
| 14:12.50 | cyril3d | but in firebug the JPG files are marked with a EXPIRES set to plus one week (instead of 1 month as written in the .htaccess) |
| 14:12.51 | ioudas | thats how authing and conneciton works |
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| 14:13.10 | matthiaskrgr | greyness: nobody but you cares if you ignore them or not, just saying |
| 14:13.32 | greyness | points to the right, see the fucks i give? |
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| 14:14.20 | matthiaskrgr | well, it didn't seem you knew that already ;) |
| 14:14.33 | phale | ioudas: okay, and how will this help? |
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| 14:14.42 | ioudas | by you understanding how it auths |
| 14:14.45 | ioudas | and looking at the log |
| 14:14.54 | ioudas | to see if it is doing as intended |
| 14:15.02 | cyril3d | #flood |
| 14:15.18 | phale | which log |
| 14:15.19 | phale | the AP log? |
| 14:15.22 | ioudas | both |
| 14:15.25 | ioudas | as both implement the spec |
| 14:15.28 | ioudas | ;-) |
| 14:15.29 | phale | the AP log doesnt talk about the deauth |
| 14:15.32 | phale | its just ACKs |
| 14:15.53 | cyril3d | So nobody knows the Apache/Expires settings ? |
| 14:16.09 | phale | so yeah, my connection auths/associates like in this diagram |
| 14:16.11 | ioudas | you dont see any deauths? if you give me some logs... ill look. take just 1 device and ap. get it to screw up |
| 14:16.14 | phale | except for the timeout |
| 14:16.14 | ioudas | paste both logs. |
| 14:16.17 | phale | okay |
| 14:16.21 | phale | dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 14:16.23 | ioudas | well pastebin both logs |
| 14:16.34 | ioudas | dmesg is good for client side in debian i believe. |
| 14:16.39 | phale | okay |
| 14:16.53 | ioudas | Hit me back when you got those. |
| 14:16.58 | ioudas | ill be messin with some plc's |
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| 14:18.53 | phale | ioudas: dmesg http://codepad.org/6P3BdXXf |
| 14:19.42 | phale | syslog from AP http://codepad.org/hCi4mhfg |
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| 14:22.33 | ioudas | yeah that doesnt have much |
| 14:22.36 | ioudas | not sure i can help there |
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| 14:23.00 | phale | oh |
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| 14:41.47 | cyril3d | HI |
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| 14:42.23 | cyril3d | I was disconnected, sorry. Still someone here who could help me with my apache2 / expires configuration please? |
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| 14:52.00 | OerHeks | cyril3d, paste that output on paste.debian.net , as you were spamming too many lines. |
| 14:52.17 | zinx | <3 aptitude. resolution to problem: remove the following packages: aptitude, ... |
| 14:53.25 | cyril3d | OK OerHeks |
| 14:53.26 | cyril3d | HEre are the lines I added in the .htaccess : http://paste.debian.net/291336/ |
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| 14:54.26 | cyril3d | The problem is : when I test with firebug or curl -I I see the EXPIRES is set one week ahead of now, not one month as written in the .htaccess file |
| 14:54.57 | zinx | cyril3d: php scripts can override the expires |
| 14:55.06 | zinx | (well, any scripts really) |
| 14:55.39 | cyril3d | Thanks zinx, is there a way to trace it please? |
| 14:56.10 | cyril3d | I saw no other Expires header in apache conf files |
| 14:56.12 | zinx | cyril3d: if your files aren't served by scripts, you can ignore that bit. |
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| 14:57.44 | cyril3d | it's a Joomla 3 site but very basic and my test is on a single jpg file |
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| 14:58.02 | zinx | cyril3d: other than that, overriding mod_expires in .htaccess probably requires Options allows you to do so |
| 14:58.19 | cyril3d | I can send you the vhost |
| 14:58.35 | zinx | cyril3d: oh, Joomla 3 may serve images itsel - add a .jpg in the root directory that exists, and try getting the headers for that |
| 14:59.39 | cyril3d | http://paste.debian.net/291338/ |
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| 15:02.30 | zinx | cyril3d: i think you need AllowOverride FileInfo |
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| 15:02.52 | zinx | or is it in httpdocs, in which case you already have that :/ |
| 15:02.55 | cyril3d | zinx, you're right, putting a jpg in the root directory of the site and getting the headers for it gives another result. This time the EXPIRES is at the very date of the DATE |
| 15:03.04 | zinx | meh |
| 15:03.10 | cyril3d | root = httpdocs, yes |
| 15:03.29 | zinx | cyril3d: interesting - well, that means Joomla's controlling the expires at the very least |
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| 15:03.54 | zinx | cyril3d: there is potentially an option inside joomla itself for that, but maybe not, i am not very familiar with joomla |
| 15:03.56 | cyril3d | where do I need to put the AllowOverride FileInfo please ? |
| 15:04.06 | zinx | cyril3d: don't worry about it; you have AllowOverride All |
| 15:04.11 | zinx | cyril3d: which includes FileInfo |
| 15:04.28 | cyril3d | I don't understand this AllowOverride FileInfo stuff |
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| 15:04.56 | zinx | cyril3d: it just enables you to override the expire time, but you have already enabled it by using AllowOverride All |
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| 15:05.10 | cyril3d | Ok, I see |
| 15:05.22 | cyril3d | SO the solution seems to be inside the CMS |
| 15:05.31 | zinx | seems so, at least to me |
| 15:05.43 | cyril3d | thanks a lot |
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| 15:07.46 | cyril3d | no Zinx, I was wrong |
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| 15:08.18 | cyril3d | trying to get the header of the jpg in the httpdocs folder didn't work |
| 15:08.24 | cyril3d | I got a 404 |
| 15:08.38 | cyril3d | but I didn't noticed it because I was ussing curl |
| 15:09.01 | cyril3d | I can't get a file without using the index.php of the CMS |
| 15:09.22 | cyril3d | so my test was wrong |
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| 15:15.49 | dan__w | right, so my problem with idmapd on a stock Jessie install is âfixedâ |
| 15:15.57 | dan__w | two things were missing - |
| 15:16.08 | ghormoon | hi, any idea for a browser with least dependencies that can handle some basic javascript? I've stumbled upon a case where links is not enough :( |
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| 15:16.26 | dan__w | 1) module nfsd wasnât loaded, so /proc/net/rpc/nfs4.nametoid/channel didnât exist |
| 15:16.50 | dan__w | 2) rpc_pipefs wasnât mounted |
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| 15:18.42 | dan__w | after fixing these both and running ârpc.idmapd -f -vvvâ I can see names being mapped to IDs correctly |
| 15:20.03 | beastwick987 | I am not at my home box right now, but I do have a problem with chroots and things like PulseAudio. I use schroot to enter my jail, but it looks as tho it ignores the mount directories i've setup in the default config directory. Stuff that pulseaudio documentation says should be bound so you can start a new pulse server inside the chroot. Any idea |
| 15:20.03 | beastwick987 | s? |
| 15:20.05 | dan__w | so, is this a bug in jessie or a missing package or something ? |
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| 15:22.42 | DelphiWorld | yo all |
| 15:23.09 | DelphiWorld | someone may post me a wpa wireless example from the wiki please? can't see the wiki here... timing out |
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| 15:26.11 | dan__w | oh, and also |
| 15:26.23 | dan__w | 3) rpc.idmapd isnât being run with nfs-common |
| 15:26.30 | dan__w | should it be ? this is a total messâ¦. |
| 15:26.47 | dan__w | maybe Iâm the only one using NFSv4 id mapping in Jessie ? |
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| 15:27.08 | dan__w | I must be missing something.... |
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| 15:40.32 | msn | how do I export a apt-key in asc format |
| 15:41.23 | DelphiWorld | how to execute a script when a iface is up or down? |
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| 15:41.29 | tugvuna | hi everybody |
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| 15:41.44 | tugvuna | in my desktop panel widget I show all my desktop documents, if I edit and save them clicking the file from there it's not possible to save them. It is possible instead if I open them with the normal file system window |
| 15:41.53 | tugvuna | is it normal? I don't think so :D |
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| 15:45.13 | tugvuna | nobody? |
| 15:45.56 | r6ku | tugvuna: which desktop environment? |
| 15:46.05 | tugvuna | kde |
| 15:46.25 | tugvuna | I've done a dist-upgrade and made a mess |
| 15:46.37 | tugvuna | now I'm trying to fix everything and this is driving me crazy :( |
| 15:46.52 | tugvuna | I've fixed almost everything |
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| 15:48.15 | msn | tugvuna: stable or testing? |
| 15:48.25 | tugvuna | testing |
| 15:48.30 | tugvuna | scratch |
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| 15:49.26 | msn | kde is kinda broken in testing right now some parts are in kde5 and some in kde4 |
| 15:49.38 | msn | well that's what i have experienced on my desktop |
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| 15:49.44 | msn | had to switch to gnome for a bit |
| 15:49.58 | tugvuna | :((( |
| 15:50.02 | knivsta | Does Full disk encryption slow down HDD? |
| 15:50.03 | tugvuna | really? |
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| 15:50.15 | msn | well i couldnt get systemsettings to show applets |
| 15:50.16 | tugvuna | that's the point of being in testing I guess :( |
| 15:50.24 | knivsta | So basically it is useless in case of old SATA HDD - like 8 yr old laptop HDD? |
| 15:50.27 | knivsta | today? |
| 15:50.28 | msn | yes sometimes you have to just live with it |
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| 15:50.37 | tugvuna | damn :( |
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| 15:50.49 | tugvuna | msn: thank you anyway :) |
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| 15:50.56 | msn | generally happens when kde upgrades a major version |
| 15:51.11 | msn | happened for me kde3->4 |
| 15:51.19 | msn | so when it broke this time i knew what happened |
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| 15:51.26 | msn | but you can update again and try |
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| 15:51.32 | msn | coz I last tried a week ago |
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| 15:52.41 | tugvuna | msn: got it |
| 15:52.51 | tugvuna | how much time do you think they need to update it? |
| 15:52.55 | tugvuna | fix* it |
| 15:53.06 | asterismo | is there OTR support for at least one IRC client, particularly not a cli one? |
| 15:53.23 | minitrue | asterismo: irssi |
| 15:53.29 | r6ku | asterismo: irssi |
| 15:53.52 | beastwick987 | particularly not a cli one? |
| 15:53.56 | beastwick987 | :X |
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| 15:54.11 | asterismo | yes |
| 15:54.27 | Andre483 | Is there a way to by pass a web proxy to use ssh? |
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| 15:58.37 | Delf | Is there a way to install Debian on usb, boot from usb, copy all of usb content to ram and remove usb and start os? |
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| 15:59.13 | r6ku | cypherman: pidgin apparently https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ |
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| 15:59.48 | cypherman | i was hoping it would be supported in some decent IRC client |
| 15:59.53 | rozie | Delf: probably yes, but what for? |
| 15:59.54 | cypherman | nos just IM client |
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| 16:01.15 | Delf | rozie: I don't have harddrive or ssd for my laptop and the usb is insanely slow, too slow to run the way I am running it right now. Without disconnecting the usb. |
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| 16:04.20 | rozie | Delf: but it's slow only on boot? 1. proper partition align 2. noatime |
| 16:04.26 | rozie | 3. ext4 |
| 16:04.47 | rozie | 4. nojournal 5. /tmp as tmpfs |
| 16:05.10 | rozie | 6. double check if you USB key doesn't work in 1.1 mode |
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| 16:08.17 | Delf | rozie: Not just on boot. I'm going to check the noatime in fstab right now. |
| 16:10.24 | rozie | Delf: http://rozie.blox.pl/2012/12/Pamieci-flash-czyli-pendrive-microSD-itd.html (use translate, follow the links, which are in English) |
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| 16:22.00 | Delf | rozie: Does it include removing the usb? |
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| 16:27.56 | Aethenelle | is there a magic preseed incantation for partman-crypto to skip overwriting the disk? |
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| 16:29.39 | greycat | Continuing yesterday's systemd problem (hangs during shutdown): using the debug-shell I tracked it down to "/dev/sda2 (swap) is still in use". When I typed "swapoff /dev/sda2" in the debug-shell it finished rebooting. |
| 16:30.20 | greycat | Any known tricks for making systemd realize it should turn off the swap if the swap is in the way of shutting down? |
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| 16:31.10 | Delf | Make a .service for it maybe |
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| 16:32.20 | jordanm | systemd has .swap files, so that would make more sense than a service unit |
| 16:32.28 | jordanm | but configuring in /etc/fstab should have the same result |
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| 16:33.00 | greycat | What should fstab look like for a proper swap setup on a bog standard primary BIOS disk partition in jessie? (This system was upgraded.) |
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| 16:33.50 | greycat | Mine has: UUID=29061e22-60fa-449a-a1c6-41e352b4f3d8 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 16:34.01 | saptech | hello all |
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| 16:36.17 | Delf | greycat: The only difference for the line I have is the UUID. Also, I'm on Stretch (testing) |
| 16:36.41 | greycat | Yeah, I have other jessie systems that have the same format (UUID=... none swap sw 0 0) |
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| 16:37.24 | saptech | I have a PPC Mini Mac with Debian Jessie installed, using a wired network. I'm using this in another area and forgot to include the Broadcom's B43 firmware driver, which I need to have wifi access. I tried to download the firmware and install it on the Mac but then it said the /lib/firmware driver wouldn't work. What do I need to do to get wifi working? |
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| 16:38.05 | saptech | I tried installing the firmware without internet access |
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| 16:39.18 | adabo | o/ |
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| 16:40.31 | greycat | http://bugs.debian.org/788303 looks very similar |
| 16:40.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788303 in systemd (open): «systemd: Hangs indefinitely on >90% of reboot attempts»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-10; last modified: 2015-06-10. |
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| 16:51.58 | Aethenelle | Is there a way to kill off the secure erase used by partman-crypto in preseed.cfg? I'm trying to automate VM creation and this erase is not a good thing; it takes too long, it causes the full disk to be allocated needlessly, and it's unnecessary since the VM has a sparse disk. |
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| 16:52.20 | asda | Hello Does anyone know how windows compare to GNU/Linux on a mbp? Driver issues? |
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| 16:56.11 | r6ku | don't know, try using a live cd/usb and find out |
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| 16:57.38 | x86iac | Aethenelle: why not just reformat the particiton? |
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| 16:58.32 | Aethenelle | That's what it's doing in the first place. I want the FDE enabled. I just don't want the installer to wipe the drive as part of setting it up. |
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| 16:59.43 | asda | r6ku: how can i make it boot the usb drive? |
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| 17:02.20 | greycat | Added my info to bug 788303 |
| 17:02.34 | r6ku | asda: download the live image from here: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ and then put it on an usb, there's a link to a FAQ on the bottom of the page that tells you how to do that |
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| 17:05.25 | asda | r6ku: Yes but how can i boot it with my mbp? |
| 17:05.26 | jhutchins | saptech: Did you just download a firmware file, or did you download the Debian firmware deb? |
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| 17:06.00 | r6ku | asda: you go to your BIOS settings and set it to boot from the usb instead of your hard drive |
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| 17:07.06 | asda | r6ku: HAVE YOU TRIED IT? ALso how is the performance compared to windows in mac? |
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| 17:09.02 | ioudas | looks |
| 17:09.06 | r6ku | asda: booting from usb? all the time. I've never had a mac but I'd say that windows uses the most resources out of all of them |
| 17:09.21 | saptech | jhutchins, the Debian firmware deb |
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| 17:15.55 | saptech | jhutchins, after dpkg -i b43-fwcutter, I got a message saying the /lib/firmware/filename.ko md5sum was wrong and would not install |
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| 17:17.08 | saptech | that was after running fw-cutter command |
| 17:17.35 | saptech | *b43-fwcutter |
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| 17:20.31 | Jaleks | when trying a 'X -configure' it fails with "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." (http://paste.debian.net/291391/) and neither me nor google get the clue what happens... |
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| 17:20.46 | Jaleks | any idea how to get mor useful info for solving this? |
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| 17:21.44 | msn | Jaleks: if you have all the xorg-server debs installed removing xorg.conf works pretty well |
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| 17:24.02 | Jaleks | msn: thats how I managed to get here, but unfortunately my Xinerama is not working in the current (no-) config, and arandr does not notice the second screen at all, so some more config would be needed |
| 17:24.31 | msn | what graphics card are you using? |
| 17:25.31 | Jaleks | it's a built in |
| 17:25.31 | Jaleks | "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)" |
| 17:26.06 | Jaleks | currently running on fbdev driver, as the intel does not seem to work |
| 17:26.23 | Jaleks | (= X does not start when using it) |
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| 17:28.20 | Deiwsots | hi someone knows something how to solve this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=bluez;dist=unstable |
| 17:28.29 | Deiwsots | i'm using debian 8.1 |
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| 17:31.16 | dontknow | Jaleks, you shouldn't have needed to configure x on intel gpu |
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| 17:34.31 | Jaleks | dontknow: and i did not, because it did not work, and started without xorg.conf. but then i have the problem, that i can only use one screen, more precise: the second screen shows always the same. so i tried to use the xorg.conf to use one screen RightOf the other one. |
| 17:34.32 | Jaleks | if i could get that working without configuring X it would also be fine, but arandr does not notice the second screen, and i do not know of a 3. possibility |
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| 17:36.41 | tamuren | Why does debian squeeze only allow me to download php 5.3.3? |
| 17:36.55 | tamuren | I want the latest php on debian 6.0.6 |
| 17:37.03 | greycat | ,v php5-fpm |
| 17:37.04 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.11+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.11+dfsg-1 |
| 17:37.10 | greycat | Squeeze is Very Old. |
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| 17:37.36 | greycat | If you want a PHP that's even newer than what SID has, then you must compile it yourself. |
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| 17:38.02 | greycat | I wouldn't bother putting a bleeding edge PHP on a Squeeze box. |
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| 17:41.20 | DammitJim | what usually goes in the debug log? |
| 17:41.30 | DammitJim | For some reason this one server has 44GB of data in that folder! |
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| 17:45.38 | asda | r6ku: thanks |
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| 17:47.04 | jhutchins | It looks to me like php.net updated 5.4 on August 6. |
| 17:47.32 | x86iac | DammitJim: could you tar.xz it all up and send it to DammitJim-chine-data-collection.com |
| 17:48.19 | jhutchins | If wheezy's at 5.4.41 and php.net is at 5.4.44, I'd say we're doing pretty well at keeping current. |
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| 17:55.26 | DammitJim | I could ;) |
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| 17:57.46 | jhutchins | DammitJim: grep debug /etc/rsyslog.conf, /etc/rsyslog.d/* |
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| 17:58.46 | DammitJim | what is that for, jhutchins ? |
| 17:59.03 | adabo | Anyone have success getting steam installed on 64 bit? |
| 17:59.12 | cxd13 | where is the correct place to change DNS servers used? changes to /etc/resolv.conf are overwritten on reboot |
| 17:59.26 | jhutchins | DammitJim: To tell you what's pointing at /var/log/debug |
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| 17:59.39 | DammitJim | oh, thanks |
| 17:59.46 | DammitJim | man, I had never used tee until today |
| 17:59.53 | greycat | cxd13: If your computer uses DHCP to get an address, by default it overwrites resolv.conf with the DHCP server's idea of what your nameservers should be. |
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| 18:00.04 | DammitJim | I must have heard about that command at least 3 times a day in the last week, but never before |
| 18:00.05 | greycat | cxd13: I avoid that by removing the magic line from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 18:00.10 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Things write to /var/log directly sometimes without going through the syslog, but that's the first place to check. |
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| 18:01.02 | greycat | cxd13: (also note that if you modify dhclient.conf you have to bring the interface down and back up, or else the running DHCP client daemon has the old one in memory and will continually overwrite resolv.conf as it updates the leas) |
| 18:01.45 | DammitJim | news.none;mail.none |
| 18:01.46 | DammitJim | weird |
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| 18:03.09 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Look at the lines in the log, see what's sending them. |
| 18:03.13 | cxd13 | greycat: thank you |
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| 18:04.38 | DammitJim | weird... it's almost like a local2.log was being written to debug |
| 18:04.55 | DammitJim | mind you, the partition where /var/log resides was 100% full |
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| 18:05.04 | DammitJim | and this is the log server for cisco equipment |
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| 18:24.19 | DammitJim | do you guys know why I would be getting messages in local3.log and also debug? |
| 18:24.33 | DammitJim | the debug log seems to be filling up with stuff from local2 and local3 |
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| 18:31.36 | Brigo | DammitJim, local2 and local3.log are files? |
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| 18:34.58 | x86iac | brigo they are 'sources' of information from kernel? that can be sent to the log files |
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| 18:35.11 | x86iac | local[1-7] |
| 18:35.24 | Brigo | x86iac, from syslog configuration file? |
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| 18:35.35 | x86iac | ues |
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| 18:36.44 | x86iac | local0.*/var/log/dhcpcd.log |
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| 18:37.49 | x86iac | local1 is 'explanations' local7 is boot.log etc |
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| 18:47.14 | DammitJim | Brigo, in my case they are since my cisco equipment logs to those |
| 18:47.20 | DammitJim | local3 is my CSC |
| 18:47.25 | DammitJim | local2 is my ASA |
| 18:47.25 | DammitJim | etc |
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| 18:48.32 | CooloutAC | what does dpkg-deb: error: unable to stat file name mean? |
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| 18:49.44 | x86iac | CooloutAC: it doesn't exist? |
| 18:50.00 | CooloutAC | x86iac: i'm trying to compile kernel |
| 18:50.03 | CooloutAC | ran into that problem at the end |
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| 18:50.11 | x86iac | what was the actual error? |
| 18:50.14 | CooloutAC | could it be i already have kernel with same name installed? |
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| 18:51.54 | CooloutAC | oh ya it says no such file or directory hmm |
| 18:52.06 | CooloutAC | /linux-4.1.4/debian/linux-headers-4.1.4-gnu-customkernel-grsec/./usr/src/linux-headers-4.1.4-gnu-customkernel-grsec/sound/pci/ymfpci/.': No such file or directory |
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| 18:53.55 | CooloutAC | i'm not understanding why i got this error, i compiled the kernel previously, but am making it again to add a module option |
| 18:54.06 | CooloutAC | and this time i get this error I don't know why |
| 18:54.24 | CooloutAC | ls |
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| 18:54.50 | CooloutAC | hmm it looks like it still created the dep files though |
| 18:54.54 | CooloutAC | *deb |
| 18:54.57 | CooloutAC | let me try to install them |
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| 19:00.10 | CooloutAC | dam errors were encountered when processing linux-headers-4.1.4-gnu-customkernel-grsec_2_amd64.deb |
| 19:00.12 | CooloutAC | wtf |
| 19:00.16 | CooloutAC | why am I getting that error? lol |
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| 19:03.40 | x86iac | disable grsec in your make menuconfig |
| 19:04.04 | CooloutAC | x86iac: that defeats the purpose |
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| 19:04.56 | hid3 | Hello. How do I disable additional getty's (using systemd)? |
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| 19:07.02 | hid3 | it seems I got a lot of TTYs generated. I don't need them, this is a server without any local access... 1-2 is enough |
| 19:07.32 | greycat | The getty processes don't spawn until you actually press Ctrl-Alt-F2 and so on. |
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| 19:09.54 | CooloutAC | x86iac: wtf? |
| 19:09.59 | hid3 | greycat: |
| 19:09.59 | hid3 | root@x345:/usr# ps aux | grep '/sbin/agetty --noclear ' | wc -l |
| 19:10.00 | hid3 | 7 |
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| 19:10.07 | hid3 | they are present... |
| 19:10.21 | hid3 | tty1 to tty6 |
| 19:10.27 | greycat | Because you pressed those keys. |
| 19:10.31 | hid3 | no!! |
| 19:10.35 | hid3 | my server just booted |
| 19:10.40 | greycat | Before I pressed them on my jessie PC, I had only one getty. |
| 19:11.00 | hid3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.00 | hid3 | [ OK ] Started Getty on tty1. |
| 19:11.10 | hid3 | I can see those kind of messages in boot screen |
| 19:11.14 | hid3 | tty1 to tty 6 |
| 19:11.28 | greycat | hid3: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:11.33 | CooloutAC | x86iac: what!?!?! |
| 19:11.35 | hid3 | it's the latest one |
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| 19:11.47 | greycat | Uh huh. Pull the other one. I has bells on. |
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| 19:11.55 | hid3 | root@x345:/usr# alias dog=cat |
| 19:11.55 | hid3 | root@x345:/usr# dog /etc/debian_version |
| 19:11.55 | hid3 | 8.1 |
| 19:12.27 | greycat | hid3: and you didn't modify any of the *getty* files in /lib/systemd/system/? |
| 19:12.54 | hid3 | nope |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | And you didn't enable "getty-static.service"? |
| 19:13.01 | hid3 | it's the first time I rebooted after the upgrade |
| 19:13.13 | hid3 | no, I don't even know how to do that! |
| 19:13.25 | hid3 | I used to disable them in /etc/inittab like 7 years ago on this system |
| 19:13.28 | greycat | Don't. It does the thing you say it is doing, which you do not want. |
| 19:13.50 | greycat | If getty-static is DISABLED (which it is on mine) then they are NOT started up by default. |
| 19:14.18 | hid3 | google says I don't have dbus. Can it be because of that? |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | Hmm. I don't quite understand the description of this service. |
| 19:14.27 | greycat | Yes. That is mentioned. |
| 19:14.37 | hid3 | is it bad? |
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| 19:14.38 | greycat | Take a look at "systemctl status getty-static" |
| 19:15.04 | hid3 | Aug 11 22:00:49 x345 systemd[1]: Started getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available. |
| 19:15.06 | greycat | Mine fails because I do have dbus (it's a workstation with X and stuff) |
| 19:15.21 | greycat | So maybe all you want to do is disable that service. |
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| 19:15.41 | lszyba1 | Hello, one of my coworkers installed a new debian after a new drive was installed. For some reason it looks like its a minimum..I intalled gdm3 but there is no browser, no pidgin, no terminal...is there a command that is similar when you install from a CD where you can say, install printer server, desktop, laptop? You checkit and installs it all? |
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| 19:16.23 | jhutchins | hid3: I happen to agree with your philosophy. I can't see needing more than one console on a box I never access physically, but I useually leave two enabled. |
| 19:16.25 | greycat | So if you feel like experimenting, you can try "systemctl disable getty-static.service" and reboot and see what happens... but make sure you can ssh in if ALL the console gettys go away. |
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| 19:16.31 | r6ku | lszyba1: tasksel |
| 19:16.32 | dontknow | lszyba1, sudo tasksel |
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| 19:16.41 | r6ku | highfives dontknow |
| 19:16.54 | dontknow | lol |
| 19:16.56 | jhutchins | hid3: I know how to do it in init, I know how to do it in upstart although I don't know how to kill the extra sessions, and I have no idea for systemd. |
| 19:16.58 | hid3 | jhutchins: that's what I try to do! |
| 19:17.09 | jhutchins | hid3: I would NOT disable the service, just reduce the number of ttys. |
| 19:17.19 | hid3 | well, on init you just edit the /etc/inittab and do `kill -1 1`; done |
| 19:17.23 | hid3 | I'm very new to systemd |
| 19:17.28 | greycat | jhutchins: there are like 6 different getty services! |
| 19:17.34 | dontknow | lszyba1, if you want minimal gnome just install gnome-core |
| 19:17.34 | hid3 | jhutchins: 100% agree with you! |
| 19:17.42 | greycat | jhutchins: getty-static FAILS on my workstations and I still have the dynamic ones. |
| 19:17.55 | jhutchins | Interesting, on the upgrade to jessee I seem to have ONE tty + X. |
| 19:17.56 | greycat | getty-static only starts tty2 through tty6. tty1 is started by something else. |
| 19:17.59 | lszyba1 | thank you.. .495 packages to install...41s remaining. |
| 19:18.04 | hid3 | well, getty-static works on mine. I need to dig how to alter its configuration |
| 19:18.08 | greycat | So I am about 90% certain it's safe to disable getty-static. |
| 19:18.14 | jhutchins | hid3: Is this an upgraded system? |
| 19:18.24 | hid3 | jhutchins: yes. It does not have dbus |
| 19:18.34 | hid3 | that's why all ttys are present (probably) |
| 19:19.29 | hid3 | ExecStart=/bin/systemctl --no-block start getty@tty2.service getty@tty3.service getty@tty4.service getty@tty5.service getty@tty6.service |
| 19:19.41 | greycat | Right. That's the one I am suggesting he disable. |
| 19:19.45 | hid3 | am I assuming right that I just remove everything tty3 and onwards? |
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| 19:19.55 | hid3 | if I disable, I won't have any ttys |
| 19:19.57 | greycat | No, just "systemctl disable getty-static.service". Don't edit it. |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:20.05 | hid3 | greycat.. WHY?! |
| 19:20.10 | greycat | Which part of that line has tty1 on it? |
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| 19:20.20 | hid3 | uh.. |
| 19:20.23 | hid3 | you're right |
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| 19:22.22 | greycat | And if I'm wrong, you can ssh in, re-enable the service, and be back to where you started. |
| 19:22.42 | lszyba1 | sorry, one more...do I need to be in special group to change display properties..I want to change dual screen from mirror to 2nd screen but apply button is grayed out. |
| 19:22.46 | greycat | (If ssh is not an option, there is a "debug shell" you can enable on tty9.) |
| 19:23.26 | hid3 | greycat: I have a serial console worst case scenario. Strange, but systemd transfered it's configuration from /etc/inittab itself |
| 19:23.56 | greycat | There's a lot more things I don't know about systemd than things I do know, so... *shrug* |
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| 19:37.50 | hid3 | root@x345:/var/log# dpkg -l | grep ii| wc -l |
| 19:37.50 | hid3 | 284 |
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| 19:37.56 | hid3 | ^-- anyone running leaner? |
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| 19:41.15 | cxd13 | is it better to set up wireshark to allow non-superusers to capture packets by adding them to a separate group, or make it required to run the program as sudo instead? |
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| 19:42.10 | Brigo | cxd13, who will use wireshark? |
| 19:42.23 | valdyn | cxd13: if one was just better you would not get the choice |
| 19:42.24 | cxd13 | just me |
| 19:42.46 | Brigo | i would use is just as root. |
| 19:42.56 | cxd13 | valdyn: well it says " Enabling this feature may be a security risk, so it is disabled by default. If in doubt, it is suggested to leave it disabled." |
| 19:43.07 | cxd13 | and by this feature it means creating a wireshark group for non-sudo use |
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| 19:43.58 | valdyn | cxd13: sure i agree that this is hard to understand fully |
| 19:44.02 | cxd13 | but it's confusing because it kind of contradicts itself when it says "This is recommended over the alternative of running Wireshark/Tshark directly as root, because less of the code will run with elevated privileges. " |
| 19:44.06 | Aethenelle | you shouldn't be launching the gui as root. only the capture tool needs to be root. This can also be done w/ permissions on the capture device iirc. |
| 19:44.48 | valdyn | Aethenelle: tell us how you want to change permissions on the "capture device" |
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| 19:45.23 | Aethenelle | i'll have to look up the name of the device... one sec... |
| 19:45.25 | jelly | cxd13: if it's just you and this it just your system, it's not really important |
| 19:46.01 | valdyn | cxd13: allowing someone to run wireshark is a security risk, no matter how |
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| 19:46.15 | valdyn | cxd13: but running a computer is a security risk too |
| 19:46.37 | Aethenelle | check /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian |
| 19:47.04 | Aethenelle | you really don't want wireshark's parsers running as root... |
| 19:47.25 | Aethenelle | you use the package install? |
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| 19:47.36 | dimitry7 | hi guys |
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| 19:47.52 | dimitry7 | would you recommend doing dist-upgrade from squeeze to jessie or clean install ? |
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| 19:48.28 | valdyn | dimitry7: whatever you prefer |
| 19:48.43 | greycat | If you upgrade, it'll be two steps. Squeeze to wheezy, wheezy to jessie. |
| 19:48.44 | jelly | dimitry7: both are good options. Remember you cannot skip releases, so the first option is squeeze->wheezy, then wheezy->jessie |
| 19:48.45 | valdyn | dimitry7: though - dont do that upgrade directly, if you chose to upgrade |
| 19:49.16 | cxd13 | Aethenelle: it's funny it tells me to read that file, but it doesn't exist on my system |
| 19:50.19 | jelly | dimitry7: it really depends on how much stuff you already have set up, applications and services. Some/many of those may need changes in config after release upgrades, some won't |
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| 19:50.50 | dimitry7 | valdyn, okay, I'd check if doing it to wheezy first would work fine |
| 19:50.59 | dimitry7 | thanks a lot!! |
| 19:51.12 | dimitry7 | jelly, yeah I got squid, postgres, mysql, firebird |
| 19:51.35 | jelly | some of my systems have not been reinstalled since debian 3.0. My home workstation since 2.1 or 2.2. |
| 19:51.47 | x86iac | CooloutAC: stop msg me ... now what do you think you get out of grsec anyway |
| 19:51.59 | CooloutAC | excuse me? |
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| 19:52.08 | CooloutAC | i messaged you once |
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| 19:52.11 | CooloutAC | why you jelly for? |
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| 19:52.19 | x86iac | 4 times |
| 19:52.19 | CooloutAC | that was like an hour ago |
| 19:52.27 | jelly | oh dear, are we doing that again Grinchier? |
| 19:52.29 | CooloutAC | umm |
| 19:52.41 | CooloutAC | jelly: this guy is jelly for some reason man |
| 19:52.42 | hid3 | I never reinstall my systems. My favourite one is upgraded from 2.2 |
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| 19:53.16 | dimitry7 | jelly, really? wow, I usually reinstall when support is finished to one release |
| 19:53.28 | jelly | dimitry7: you sound like a redhat person! |
| 19:53.32 | dimitry7 | but yeah if we have like debian 50 servers |
| 19:53.36 | greycat | I almost never reinstall an OS, unless it's Windows. |
| 19:53.37 | dimitry7 | no I don't use redhat |
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| 19:53.55 | dimitry7 | jelly, do you know why I reinstall debian? |
| 19:54.08 | hid3 | greycat: you'r usin' windows??? |
| 19:54.13 | greycat | Because sitting through the installation is such fun? |
| 19:54.23 | jelly | dimitry7: well, in-place release upgrades are one of Debian's strong points. Both a clean slate has its benefits as well. |
| 19:54.25 | dimitry7 | because someday an upgrade broke the system |
| 19:54.31 | dimitry7 | I probably did something wrong |
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| 19:54.38 | hid3 | it's you who broke the system, not an upgrade |
| 19:54.39 | dimitry7 | you know what? I know I can upgrade |
| 19:54.41 | hid3 | (probably) |
| 19:54.53 | greycat | There *are* upgrade bugs, sometimes. |
| 19:54.54 | dimitry7 | I'll do it. |
| 19:55.08 | jelly | dimitry7: I can confidently say I can fix any breakage caused by upgrades in Debian. :-) |
| 19:55.09 | greycat | It's fairly well tested with the most common setups, but not everyone has one of the most common setups. |
| 19:55.17 | hid3 | seriously, folks, why so many people like that red-hat'ish style of non-upgrading system? Is that really "enterprise"? |
| 19:55.19 | valdyn | the more familiar with debian you are the more an upgrade becomes the easier option |
| 19:55.24 | valdyn | (and vice versa) |
| 19:55.33 | greycat | This is why you upgrade one non-critical box first, see how it does, before you do the others. |
| 19:55.36 | dimitry7 | jelly, wow, that's good to know, so in case that weird thing happens again I'll get back to you haha |
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| 19:55.54 | jelly | dimitry7: my hourly rates are affordable, too! :-D |
| 19:56.19 | dimitry7 | jelly, hahaha, okay no problem :p |
| 19:56.25 | greycat | hid3: When the vendor doesn't have to support upgrades, they save money. |
| 19:57.03 | greycat | Enterprise(R)(TM) is all about the money. |
| 19:57.06 | hid3 | greycat: it's vendor's position, yeah, you're right. But why users like that Redhat alot (because of the fact it does not need upgrades)? |
| 19:57.17 | greycat | hid3: No idea. |
| 19:57.26 | hid3 | no idea here too, that's why I'm asking |
| 19:57.34 | dimitry7 | hid3, red hat does not need upgrades? |
| 19:57.38 | hid3 | I can't imagine bringing down my system for a reinstall |
| 19:57.45 | greycat | One might suppose that for at least some users, the appeal is that they have someone else to blame when things break. |
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| 19:57.59 | hid3 | dimitry7: upgrades between distros there are NOT possible in theory at all |
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| 19:58.57 | hid3 | I waited for a moment to reboot my debian upgraded system to start using systemd. The moment was picked up carefully and it just took 45 seconds.... Yeah, my service is usually getting ~5000 hits/s if no DDOS is launched :D |
| 19:59.17 | hid3 | udp connections, though |
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| 19:59.54 | hid3 | I've heard that some dar Redhat might offer upgrades between versions too |
| 20:00.05 | hid3 | there were rumours when they were planning RHEL7 release |
| 20:00.28 | hid3 | and they promised RHEL7 will be Revolutionary (yeah, now it's possible to set XFS as root partition type) |
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| 20:01.20 | hid3 | wonder how those servers lived with ext* partitions and every 180 days mandatory fsck's (usually after a reboot and at worst moment possible and probably failing because "give root pass for maintenance" windows has stopped the boot process) |
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| 20:02.03 | valdyn | maybe they just configure ext check times to their needs |
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| 20:02.47 | greycat | Forced reboots every X days with human standing by. |
| 20:02.49 | hid3 | and set it to infinite? |
| 20:03.05 | valdyn | of course |
| 20:03.09 | hid3 | delaying something what was made by design isn't a good idea |
| 20:03.11 | valdyn | (same as any other fs) |
| 20:03.51 | valdyn | theres no reason why ext needs this fsck timer more than any other fs, the difference is only that ext has one |
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| 20:05.39 | hid3 | but ext's check is really annoying |
| 20:05.51 | hid3 | it likes to ask root pass really often |
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| 20:06.00 | hid3 | they should have implemented a cache mechanism to it |
| 20:06.04 | greycat | That's not fsck asking for a password. |
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| 20:06.22 | valdyn | i dont even recall fsck needing a root pw |
| 20:06.29 | greycat | That's fsck failing with nonzero status and the OS's boot scripts asking for a password instead of just giving a shell to anyone who walks by. |
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| 20:07.19 | hid3 | yeah, I know :) |
| 20:07.31 | hid3 | but it likes to fail really often |
| 20:07.44 | hid3 | you need to drive like 10-15 miles to get physical access |
| 20:08.04 | hid3 | imagine you're drunk, at an exam or f'ucking your GF at that time... :( |
| 20:08.14 | hid3 | been there, had all of that |
| 20:08.35 | greycat | Why are you on call for sysadmin duties if you're taking exams? |
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| 20:08.41 | drywheat | now that debian 8 uses systemd, does anyone know how to replace the /etc/default/<svc_name> files? |
| 20:08.48 | koollman | hid3: you do know that it's configurable right ? |
| 20:08.49 | drywheat | i've looked online and can't find a suggestion |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | drywheat: what? |
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| 20:09.20 | valdyn | drywheat: why do you think systemd changes the usefulness of /etc/default/ in general? |
| 20:09.24 | drywheat | greycat: service default files that are typically sourced by sysvinit scripts |
| 20:09.30 | greycat | drywheat: and? |
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| 20:09.34 | koollman | hid3: besides, why do you reboot your machines when you are drunk. or doing any other activities you mentionned ? (how would you do that from an exam? And what did you gf say? :) ) |
| 20:09.52 | drywheat | valdyn: i do not, i'm asking how to use them along with systemd |
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| 20:10.23 | crocoduck | hello |
| 20:10.24 | greycat | ssh.service:EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/ssh |
| 20:10.34 | greycat | cron.service:EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/cron |
| 20:10.41 | drywheat | i don't know systemd very well |
| 20:10.44 | drywheat | ah |
| 20:10.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | systemd is much, MUCH easier to learn than sysvinit, or even upstart imho. |
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| 20:11.01 | Aethenelle | dpkg-reconfigure wireshark |
| 20:11.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i'm new to the packaging game and have no horse in this race. |
| 20:11.25 | hid3 | koollman: I no longer use ext* anywhere. And yes, later I realised that you can add FSCK_Y option, something like that. I did not reboot my machines during those uncomfortable times... It was either power outage, or kernel panic, or someone accidently messing up a server.... and GF said I "was a really strange person" |
| 20:11.27 | jelly | gives NoImNotNineVolt a plastic pony |
| 20:11.27 | Aethenelle | then add users to wireshark group |
| 20:12.19 | koollman | hid3: you can use tune2fs to change the time between forced fsck. including the option of '-1', never :) |
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| 20:13.37 | hid3 | yrah, I used tune2fs widely. Was setting reserver percentage of space too |
| 20:13.38 | hid3 | but.. |
| 20:13.44 | greycat | systemd is much harder to learn than sysvinit, but it's NOT harder to learn than the "sysvinit + start-stop-daemon + update-rc.d + LSB comments + ..." crap that wheezy used. |
| 20:13.48 | hid3 | ext* used to check a hell long |
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| 20:14.58 | hid3 | I am running LT country Debian mirror. Like 5 years ago it was running on ext3 I think... And there was a power outage. The mirror was down for more than 1 complete day "due to fsck". On the 2nd day I got fed up and realised this is not normal and can't continue... Started searching for alternatives and discovered the XFS... |
| 20:15.05 | greycat | ext2 and related file systems were developed back when disks were measured in MB (Megabytes, what you kids now call MiB) instead of TB. |
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| 20:15.06 | koollman | hid3: tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 . if you ever encounter another ext* using server and want to avoid potential uncomfortable time :) |
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| 20:15.55 | no_gravity | Lately, logging into one of my debian boxes via ssh became very slow. Any ideas how to debug this? |
| 20:16.15 | hid3 | koollman: setting those options wouldn't prevent it from being checked after a bad shutdown, still.. |
| 20:16.24 | hid3 | anyway, ext* is gone and forgotten for me |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | Since today's disks are 5 to 6 orders of magnitude larger, file systems are correspondingly larger, and the heuristics of the old days don't necessarily work so well.... |
| 20:16.33 | nilx | no_gravity: have you tried ssh -vvv yet |
| 20:16.43 | koollman | hid3: check after a bad shutdown isn't specific to ext*. |
| 20:16.47 | hid3 | now I don't use ext*, I don't drink, I' no longer in school/university and I have another GF |
| 20:17.12 | greycat | (Again, why were you on call for sysadmin duties if you were still in school?) |
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| 20:17.21 | at0m|c | no_gravity: ssh -vvv for max verbosity? |
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| 20:17.47 | hid3 | I was not "on call". It was my service, my servers and my money which I earned that way... |
| 20:17.54 | greycat | no_gravity: if the server end is doing DNS resolution of the client IP, tell it to stop. |
| 20:18.14 | greycat | hid3: self-employed with no staff counts as on call |
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| 20:18.24 | hid3 | koollman: I know. But I realised ext* checks last really long on big/crowded volumes... |
| 20:18.25 | no_gravity | greycat: good idea! |
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| 20:18.36 | hid3 | greycat: yep. |
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| 20:18.38 | no_gravity | it hangs at several stages though. |
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| 20:19.04 | Circuitsoft | Hello - I'm getting a lot of kernel backtraces from skb_warn_bad_offload. Examples: https://clbin.com/YbZBK |
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| 20:19.14 | Circuitsoft | Where should I start trying to debug this? |
| 20:19.50 | Circuitsoft | This machine has one QEMU/KVM VM running pfSense (FreeBSD 10.1) |
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| 20:24.24 | jhutchins | Circuitsoft: Are the messages on the host or the guest? |
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| 20:24.46 | jhutchins | Circuitsoft: I'm guessing host since the guest is freebsd... |
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| 20:28.45 | jhutchins | Circuitsoft: Does it only happen when the VM is running? |
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| 20:32.13 | tyrion-mx | Hello, is it possible to install debian on a BIOS system (not UEFI) with Full Disk Encryption, using only a single encrypted partition and using LVM on top to make /,/home and even /boot inside it? |
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| 20:32.53 | tyrion-mx | I have read that grub now supports GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y that maybe should help in this situation |
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| 20:34.11 | jelly | tyrion-mx: what's wrong with the usual approach of a separate /boot? If the above worked, you'd probably have to enter the crypto phrase twice... |
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| 20:35.04 | tyrion-mx | this guy is doing it, entering the password only once: http://missinglink.xyz/security/tutorial-debianubuntu-full-disk-encryption-luks-fde-including-encrypted-boot/ |
| 20:35.19 | tyrion-mx | but it has a separate (encrypted) boot partition |
| 20:35.22 | greycat | There is a .xyz TLD? |
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| 20:35.39 | tyrion-mx | greycat, yep, see also abc.xyz :P |
| 20:36.50 | tyrion-mx | jelly, anyway I don't know why I want to do that. What I know is that I was trying to it in the normal way, but the graphical installer gave me an error when I was confirming the creation of the encrypted volumes ... |
| 20:37.00 | tyrion-mx | so now I am using a live distro to understand what to do |
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| 20:38.40 | jelly | tyrion-mx: two partitions, a small (200MB-ish?) /boot, a second one as crypto, then pv for lvm and all the other LVs in it (root, swap, what have you) |
| 20:38.58 | jelly | I... confess I have no idea how that's set up from debian-installer |
| 20:39.17 | greycat | Manually. |
| 20:39.25 | tyrion-mx | I have three primary partitions for windows that unfortunately I cannot touch |
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| 20:39.46 | jelly | greycat: Shirley the installer can help with classis linux FDE by now? |
| 20:39.50 | tyrion-mx | so I made two logical ext4 partitions the second one being /boot (1GiB) |
| 20:39.56 | jelly | "F"DE |
| 20:40.04 | greycat | I have no idea how disk/partition level encryption works. Never played with it. |
| 20:40.19 | tyrion-mx | then I tried to encrypt the first one, confirm, confirm, and then "error" |
| 20:40.47 | greycat | what's FDE? dpkg doesn't know either... |
| 20:40.56 | greycat | Oh, full disk encryption? |
| 20:41.03 | tyrion-mx | "An error occurred while configuring encrypted volumes." |
| 20:41.07 | tyrion-mx | greycat, yep |
| 20:41.16 | greycat | In no universe is that "classic". |
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| 20:41.46 | Circuitsoft | jhutchins: Yes, I thin kit's only when the VM is running. |
| 20:41.54 | tyrion-mx | switching to the tty to see what happened I had something like: "partman-crypto: create: invalid numeric value." |
| 20:42.04 | Circuitsoft | Can't really check though, as that VM is a bit critical to our infrastructure. |
| 20:42.17 | Circuitsoft | VM is using virtio net drivers. Maybe I should switch to something else? |
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| 20:46.37 | tyrion-mx | so do you think I can setup the disks manually and then make the installer use them? |
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| 20:47.41 | Circuitsoft | Am I the only one here who has never used debian installer? |
| 20:47.52 | Circuitsoft | Every system I've set up has used debootstrap. |
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| 20:48.06 | greycat | With 1600 people here, you're probably not the *only* one but... |
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| 20:49.28 | tyrion-mx | or even better since now I am running from a live system I could install the system using deboostrap |
| 20:49.30 | tyrion-mx | ye |
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| 20:50.44 | Circuitsoft | Maybe that's just because I came from Gentoo. |
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| 20:52.15 | hid3 | sometimes I wonder if Debian user community is increasing or not... |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | probably depends on the time of day |
| 20:53.00 | hid3 | or time of the year? |
| 20:53.02 | Jaleks | FTR: having had a problem with an error message "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." while trying to get my intel built in card back to using dual screen: it got solved by installing intel-microcode |
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| 21:00.36 | satellite2770xdv | does anyone here use mondorescue on jessie? |
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| 21:01.47 | wushin | Oi, anyone tell me which qt5 package populates mkspecs in /usr/share/qt5/ or where it moved too? |
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| 21:16.35 | somiaj | wushin: you can use apt-file to look for which package includes a paticular file/path. You can also use the search engine on packages.debian.org |
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| 21:23.45 | wushin | somiaj thanks, got it working. |
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| 21:27.08 | Marezz | Where can I download Debian 7.0 from? |
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| 21:48.02 | Wegg | Why does my Debian Sid install keep un-installing things when I do updates? I just had to re-install Krita. . . and before that I had to re-install apptitude. |
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| 21:49.43 | Brigo | Wegg, for not stable support questions, ask in #debian-next channel in oftc irc network. |
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| 21:51.34 | Wegg | isn't that channel invite only? |
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| 21:55.34 | jhutchins | Wegg: Not on oftc.net |
| 21:56.03 | tyrion-mx | debootstrap is saying "Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg" Any suggestion in how to obtain the keyring? |
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| 21:56.32 | Wegg | K thanks jhutchins |
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| 21:59.37 | jhutchins | tyrion-mx: Hvaev you looked on the debian archive website? |
| 21:59.41 | Circuitsoft | tyrion-mx: Install debian-archive-keyring. |
| 21:59.58 | Circuitsoft | It will complain about being unauthenticated, but do it anyway. Then, apt-get update. |
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| 22:01.01 | tyrion-mx | Circuitsoft, thanks, so I should interrupt debootstrap and run it again, right? Do I also have to remove all the stuff it placed on /target ? |
| 22:01.12 | Circuitsoft | No. |
| 22:01.23 | Circuitsoft | debootstrap worked, despite complaining. |
| 22:01.34 | Circuitsoft | chroot /mnt/install/point |
| 22:01.42 | Circuitsoft | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 22:01.45 | Circuitsoft | apt-get update |
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| 22:02.31 | tyrion-mx | umh, ok :) |
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| 22:03.22 | tyrion-mx | anyway deboostrap just failed with: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 22:03.51 | tyrion-mx | the log just says: chroot: failed to run command 'mount': Exec format error |
| 22:04.19 | Circuitsoft | Uh, did you do a 64-bit install from a 32-bit host? |
| 22:04.27 | tyrion-mx | yep :S |
| 22:04.40 | Circuitsoft | So, your 32-bit kernel can't handle a 64-bit executable. |
| 22:04.47 | tyrion-mx | maybe |
| 22:04.49 | tyrion-mx | wait |
| 22:04.58 | Circuitsoft | uname -a |
| 22:05.11 | tyrion-mx | i686 |
| 22:05.51 | tyrion-mx | I have to start over :/ |
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| 22:06.31 | Circuitsoft | Not quite. |
| 22:06.35 | Circuitsoft | Don't blow away the folder. |
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| 22:06.56 | Circuitsoft | Boot x86_64, and run debootstrap again. It'll make use of your already-downloaded stuff. |
| 22:07.05 | tyrion-mx | nice |
| 22:07.08 | tyrion-mx | thank you |
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| 22:08.49 | Circuitsoft | If it complains, save /var/cache/apt/archives before deleting everything else. |
| 22:09.12 | Circuitsoft | Depending on the machine, you may be able to fit that all into tmpfs, mkfs the disk, and copy it back. |
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| 22:13.24 | tyrion-mx | see you in two min |
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| 22:32.43 | drwbc | Hello everybody |
| 22:32.51 | drwbc | I have a problem with my mail server |
| 22:33.11 | drwbc | Someone can help me... please |
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| 22:33.33 | drwbc | I'm working with postfix, dovecot, ldap, sasl |
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| 22:33.53 | Brigo | !ask |
| 22:33.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:54.13 | testus | hi |
| 22:55.11 | testus | kpowersave is still available? |
| 22:55.32 | testus | when i type apt-get install kpowersave |
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| 22:56.04 | testus | it says that there is no such package |
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| 22:57.05 | testus | kpowersave is still available? |
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| 23:00.08 | Brigo | ,v kpowersave |
| 23:00.09 | judd | No package named 'kpowersave' was found in amd64. |
| 23:01.01 | testus | brigo? |
| 23:01.37 | mrrhq | I wonder if Sid has fixed their shiz yet. |
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| 23:02.28 | Brigo | mrrhq, no |
| 23:02.51 | Brigo | testus, there is no such package in debian database. |
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| 23:03.28 | testus | closing the laptop lid action ... how i do this? |
| 23:03.49 | testus | after closing the laptop lid |
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| 23:03.58 | testus | Do nothing |
| 23:04.08 | mrrhq | Well I'm still on Ubuntu Mate for now, installing and trying out Steam games out of boredom. |
| 23:04.12 | Brigo | testus, if you are using kde -i have never used it- it should have a configuration option, somewhere. |
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| 23:04.55 | PGNd | Could anyone up on latest Debain latest kernel pls check their value for `grep -i 6RD /boot/config-$(uname -r) && uname -r` (or the equivalent location ...) ? Looking for distro support for 6RD ... |
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| 23:05.17 | testus | kde? |
| 23:05.42 | testus | kpowersave i find in the internet |
| 23:06.10 | testus | I've never used it |
| 23:06.39 | testus | how to change action after closing laptop lid? |
| 23:07.02 | Brigo | testus, man logind.conf |
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| 23:07.12 | mrrhq | Well at least they got Libreoffice installable in Sid again. I wonder how I can help out getting Blender to be compiled/installed with libstdc++6. |
| 23:07.38 | testus | brigo: not found |
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| 23:29.15 | Guest51389 | why |
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| 23:32.55 | sussudio | seems like linux doesn't like more than 50.000 files in a directory. |
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| 23:34.08 | mrrhq | sussudio, What file system are you using? Not Btrfs? <:^) |
| 23:34.26 | sussudio | whatever is default in jessie... ext4, i think. |
| 23:34.43 | sussudio | both ls and rm refused to function, something about the list being too big. |
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| 23:35.36 | vandox | Inodes? |
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| 23:36.10 | themill | sussudio: just "ls" or something other than that? |
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| 23:36.55 | themill | predicts "ls foo*" |
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| 23:38.23 | sussudio | ls -l |
| 23:39.51 | themill | wfm |
| 23:39.53 | x86iac | sussudio: try something like .. for i in *; do ls "$i" |
| 23:39.57 | sussudio | i let a webcam ran for a few days with a 5 second update. there were about 53.000 files in there |
| 23:40.01 | x86iac | done |
| 23:40.18 | sussudio | it would let me rm by specific mask, just not * |
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| 23:41.03 | themill | any chance you can show us the actual commands and output... |
| 23:41.10 | themill | the details are important |
| 23:41.26 | sussudio | ls -l *.jpg | wc -l |
| 23:41.29 | sussudio | and rm *.jpg |
| 23:41.40 | sussudio | i've already deleted the files in the dir |
| 23:41.40 | mrrhq | That's strange. |
| 23:41.46 | themill | right, so it's not just "ls -l".... the details are important |
| 23:41.54 | mrrhq | Maybe try busybox ls/rm or try Midnight Commander. |
| 23:42.08 | themill | there's a limit to the number of arguments you can pass in argc. Always has been. Nothing to do with filesystems |
| 23:42.11 | mrrhq | because you can list and remove files from there, too. |
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| 23:42.46 | sussudio | ls -l by itself did the same. |
| 23:43.14 | themill | unlikely since that's an error generated by bash |
| 23:43.19 | themill | but pastebin or it didn't happen |
| 23:44.16 | sussudio | the files are all named like 006E060A3334(BADGER)_0_20150811074300_406816.jpg |
| 23:44.54 | mrrhq | themill, I'm not sure ls and rm are built into bash on all systems. |
| 23:45.04 | themill | mrrhq: they're not at all |
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| 23:47.22 | mrrhq | I actually don't know what the limit for ARGC and ARGV is. |
| 23:47.38 | mrrhq | Well, ARGC is just the count of arguments. |
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| 23:49.16 | mrrhq | Oh yeah, says it's 4096, and since it's bigger than that. Well, if ls and rm weren't written in C, then maybe it wouldn't have to be that way. |
| 23:49.35 | themill | it's a kernel limit |
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| 23:50.18 | mrrhq | Defined in limits.h |
| 23:50.27 | mrrhq | Alright. |
| 23:53.34 | Brigo | ls and rm weren't writen in C?? |
| 23:53.40 | Brigo | then what? perl?? |
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| 23:54.07 | wufufufu | when i login to debian 8 it rejects my login and then the screen starts scrolling and glitching |
| 23:54.16 | wufufufu | it doesn't happen when i login as root |
| 23:54.19 | wufufufu | wtf? |
| 23:54.21 | themill | mrrhq: there are two different limits -- number of arguments and string length |
| 23:54.22 | wufufufu | inb4 reinstall |
| 23:54.32 | sussudio | wufufufu: better burn your pc to be sure. |
| 23:55.27 | themill | sussudio: as I said, details are important and it's nothing to do with filesystems or which release of debian: http://paste.debian.net/291481/ |
| 23:55.39 | Ullarah | "It doesn't happen when I login as root"... I love that quote. |
| 23:55.57 | wufufufu | srs guys |
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| 23:56.08 | wufufufu | i thought this would be #stable |
| 23:56.10 | Ullarah | wufufufu, create a new user, see what happens. |
| 23:56.18 | wufufufu | hmm |
| 23:56.52 | Ullarah | wufufufu, it sounds like the user you are logging into has an invalid shell, or the shell it's using has somehow corrupted. |
| 23:57.44 | wufufufu | maybe cause i just changed it to zsh |
| 23:57.52 | Ullarah | I know that I came across an issue when I tried using tcsh as my shell (and root as well), had to login with SU mode and change my shell. |
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| 23:58.14 | Ullarah | I use zsh, haven't come across an issue with it, did you point it to the correct executable? |
| 23:58.24 | Ullarah | /bin/zsh ? |
| 23:58.33 | wufufufu | yes |
| 23:59.05 | wufufufu | ok i was able to startx in my original user successfully |
| 23:59.09 | wufufufu | this is insane. |
| 23:59.15 | wufufufu | let's see if i can login to the user on start |
| 23:59.19 | Ullarah | ._. |
| 23:59.32 | wufufufu | oh yea it's also doing the glitchy horizontal scrolly thing whenever i "sudo reboot" |
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| 23:59.51 | wufufufu | ok it's working! |
| 23:59.51 | wufufufu | huh |
| 23:59.55 | wufufufu | so the symptoms don't really make sense |