| 00:00.17 | wufufufu | there was an instance where i had a mirrored external monitor and that screen was different from my laptop screen |
| 00:00.21 | wufufufu | which was glitching out |
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| 00:01.23 | wufufufu | Ullarah: what were your symptoms? |
| 00:02.05 | Ullarah | wufufufu, sounds like you have a graphics card error more than a system error. |
| 00:02.27 | wufufufu | yea that's what i thought... but now it's working |
| 00:02.34 | wufufufu | soooo wtf |
| 00:02.52 | Brigo | wufufufu, it could be the graphic card anyway. |
| 00:02.52 | Ullarah | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:03.20 | Brigo | wufufufu, just temperature variations or any other thing can change the card behaviour. |
| 00:04.21 | Ullarah | Hop inside your nearest refrigerator and see what happens. |
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| 00:04.55 | sussudio | i imagine the laptop would get very humid. |
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| 00:09.38 | beowu1f | anyone here struggled with getting tty1 to work appear after NVIDIA drivers have been installed. installing the drivers seems to make the screen go black when you ALT+CTRL+F1.. ? |
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| 00:11.32 | wufufufu | Ullarah: I noticed my zsh didn't have /bin in its path by default |
| 00:11.50 | wufufufu | wonder if that's related |
| 00:12.04 | Ullarah | How did you install zsh? |
| 00:12.10 | wufufufu | sudo apt-get install zsh |
| 00:12.30 | Ullarah | Maybe it's /usr/bin/zsh |
| 00:12.47 | Ullarah | I can't remember off the top of my head, run 'locate zsh' |
| 00:12.53 | wufufufu | which zsh |
| 00:13.00 | wufufufu | and yea it's /usr/bin/zsh |
| 00:13.07 | wufufufu | Yea maybe cause I did chsh -s /bin/zsh |
| 00:13.16 | Ullarah | That might be why :P |
| 00:13.42 | wufufufu | graceful degradation to the max |
| 00:14.29 | x86iac | no bin path -> broken |
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| 00:14.40 | wufufufu | /bin/zsh exists |
| 00:14.47 | wufufufu | it even tually points to /bin/zsh5 |
| 00:14.50 | wufufufu | eventually* |
| 00:15.00 | wufufufu | which is an executable |
| 00:15.11 | wufufufu | it works also |
| 00:17.55 | Chocolate_Chip | I have an Intel 82945G Express chipset |
| 00:18.08 | Chocolate_Chip | Does that mean I have a i945 System? |
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| 00:22.15 | mrrhq | Chocolate_Chip, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets |
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| 00:24.56 | ivan_on_trac | How far will the functionality of a debian package? What so I can pack into a debian package ?! For example, scripts, crontab, job, ... |
| 00:25.10 | teclo- | very far |
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| 00:27.40 | mrrhq | I think .deb is akin to .zip, you can pack anything you want to in one, even a whole file system. It's just meant to be used with dpkg and APT. |
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| 00:37.53 | ivan_on_trac | An application! Contains programs, scripts, crontab, interpreters, shared libraries, private directories, contains the OS users, etc .. |
| 00:37.58 | ivan_on_trac | I can pack it all into a debian package? |
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| 00:40.07 | Brigo | ivan_on_trac, os users? i don't think that thing is posible. |
| 00:40.20 | johnnyfortune | Hola super geeks. I am a UI dev, looking to make a small touch screen GUI controller (read list, dpkg update) for a debian repository. Does anyone know if there is a nice wrapper for Python or PHP or something to help with this? I can write bash scripts but I wanted to check. |
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| 00:41.32 | johnnyfortune | Like, cydia is, where you list the packages and can install them with your fingers. I get there are already super cool GUIs for this, but I have a small raspberry pi touchscreen im outputting to. |
| 00:42.10 | Brigo | johnnyfortune, what about the gnome package manager? |
| 00:42.35 | Brigo | gnome-packagekit |
| 00:43.11 | johnnyfortune | ooh yes. |
| 00:43.17 | themill | johnnyfortune: there's python-apt or higher level dbus using methods that are probably better to build on. You don't want this thing to have to run as root. |
| 00:43.22 | adabo | Where is the documentation for keyboard functions in command-line? eg. In windows ^Backspace deletes the previous word. Shift+Home highlights all the text from the cursor to the home position. Where can I read about equivilents for linux? |
| 00:43.45 | adabo | I think one that I stumbled on is ^w to delete a previous word |
| 00:43.47 | johnnyfortune | themill: okay cool. I will google python-apt too. |
| 00:44.19 | themill | johnnyfortune: packagekit probably makes a better choice |
| 00:44.39 | johnnyfortune | so, if I wanted to say run just this packagekit http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/gnome-packagekit_1.png w/o a full like, XFCE or whatever. is that possible? |
| 00:45.53 | johnnyfortune | Id rather not load a full desktop environment. cause Raspberry pi and all. |
| 00:46.04 | themill | adabo: in man bash, look for Readline Command Names |
| 00:46.24 | adabo | themill: Thank you :) |
| 00:46.40 | themill | johnnyfortune: packagekit is a library. There are several frontends built on top of it already. |
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| 00:46.59 | johnnyfortune | ahhh! so that pic is just the gnome version. |
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| 00:47.40 | johnnyfortune | This makes more sense now. okay cool. thanks everyone. I think this is enough to get me started. |
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| 01:26.57 | aruna | is there a #icedove channel ? |
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| 01:27.35 | aruna | apologies for the off-topic question I searched all over and came with zilch.. |
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| 01:29.14 | bazhang | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.20 | aruna | bazhang: Thanks it shows zero :( |
| 01:30.43 | bazhang | ,v icedove |
| 01:30.44 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.7.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 31.7.0-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.1.0-1 |
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| 01:50.03 | beastwick | Hey, what would be the easiest way to recompile the Debian kernel to set some new options? |
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| 01:53.15 | beastwick | Like I want to compile using 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 01:53.43 | beastwick | I tried downloading linux-source-3.16 |
| 01:53.46 | beastwick | but it faisl |
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| 01:54.53 | beastwick | nevermind got it downloading |
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| 01:57.34 | beastwick | I think I got it working. |
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| 01:58.40 | midacts | Hey guys, I ran a dist-upgrade on a Debian 7 box and now my Nagios 4.0.5 install doesnt work. The problem is I cant get the web console to work |
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| 02:00.25 | fightthewalrus | hello, I've installed jessie on a Dell D20 and I'm trying to get wifi to work. lspci gives my card as 3945ABG, which google gives me firmware-iwlwifi. I install the deb but it won't let me modprobe it |
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| 02:01.19 | fightthewalrus | so that I can't follow the instructions in the wiki any further. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 02:08.12 | centrx | fightthewalrus, "won't let me modprobe it" ? |
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| 02:17.01 | fightthewalrus | centrx: yes, modprobe fails because it doesn't find the module |
| 02:17.25 | fightthewalrus | which, according to the wiki, should have come with the package |
| 02:17.37 | x86iac | you have to be root to modprobe |
| 02:17.49 | fightthewalrus | I am. |
| 02:18.10 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: are you doing "modprobe iwlwifi" ? |
| 02:18.34 | fightthewalrus | no, `modprobe iw3945` |
| 02:18.58 | x86iac | what about the firmware? |
| 02:19.02 | fightthewalrus | oh shit, it worked, modprobe iwlwifi |
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| 02:19.31 | x86iac | stiffles a lol |
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| 02:21.42 | fightthewalrus | but it still doesn't show the wireless interface, though |
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| 02:22.34 | fightthewalrus | according to the wiki I would be able to configure the interface after modprobe -r and modprobe |
| 02:22.40 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: oh i guess that model does need to use the iwl3945 module. maybe you could share with us the exact error that you get? |
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| 02:24.05 | fightthewalrus | jmcnaught: modprobe: FATAL: Module iw3945 not found. |
| 02:24.22 | fightthewalrus | this is the wiki I refer to, btw |
| 02:24.24 | fightthewalrus | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy |
| 02:24.49 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: thanks i just checked that myself. i used to have one of those cards, but not anymore. Are you using a stock Debian kernel? |
| 02:25.30 | fightthewalrus | jmcnaught: yes, downloaded an ISO for Jessie and did no additional config |
| 02:25.45 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: it's iwl3945 not iw3945 |
| 02:26.03 | fightthewalrus | shit... you're so right |
| 02:26.10 | fightthewalrus | :S |
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| 02:27.37 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: cool :) also next time you install, there is an unofficial netinst image that includes most of the non-free firmwares so it works out of the box. The dpkg bot has the details: /msg dpkg firmware images |
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| 02:28.33 | fightthewalrus | thanks jmcnaught, but apparently I still can't see the interface after running the commands correctly |
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| 02:29.07 | fightthewalrus | is there another command I need to run after modprove, or reboot? |
| 02:29.58 | squinty | fightthewalrus, dmesg | grep firmware to see if the firmware was actually loaded ok |
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| 02:31.02 | fightthewalrus | squinty: dmesg shows it was loaded |
| 02:31.05 | squinty | fightthewalrus, fwiw, i have the 3945 here too. once the firmware was installed, the wireless unit works great |
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| 02:31.56 | fightthewalrus | perhaps then it's down to configuring? I'm in Xfce and the network connection app doesn't show the wireless one |
| 02:32.13 | squinty | fightthewalrus, fwiw, after installing the firmware i just rebooted my computer and everything worked fine after that |
| 02:32.31 | jmcnaught | fightthewalrus: does it show up with "ip a" ? maybe you need to restart the network manager thing you are using |
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| 02:33.34 | fightthewalrus | oh my god |
| 02:33.38 | fightthewalrus | it works |
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| 02:34.04 | fightthewalrus | thank you jmcnaught and squinty and x86iac and everyone else |
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| 02:34.15 | fightthewalrus | y |
| 02:34.25 | fightthewalrus | yall saved the night! |
| 02:34.41 | squinty | :) |
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| 02:35.58 | SolarNRG | I found one called gameconqueror |
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| 02:38.58 | x86iac | bitethewalrus: you need the firmware before the interface shows |
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| 02:39.45 | x86iac | if loaded the ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 02:40.00 | x86iac | it will show with iwconfig before in ifconfig |
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| 02:54.18 | Peppi | I'm trying to mount my NAS onto my PI |
| 02:54.55 | cra1g321 | could mount it as a NFS share |
| 02:55.17 | Peppi | this is the command: sudo mount -t nfs -o vers=3 192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap/ |
| 02:55.33 | Peppi | it looks to be working |
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| 02:56.47 | Peppi | the issue I have is a couple things. 1: what do I put in fstab. and 2: how do I set permissions so somone other then root can access (RW) to the drive? |
| 02:57.26 | SolarNRG | how do I manually shut down a crashed game? |
| 02:57.53 | SolarNRG | wait i closed it |
| 02:57.54 | Peppi | cra1g321: any ideas? |
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| 03:11.40 | Peppi | 1500+... very quiet |
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| 03:16.53 | rue_school | need help chaning my window manager, I have no session manager, I'm just using startx, I want to change the window manager to metacity and the x shell to gnome-panel can anyone help? |
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| 03:17.28 | somiaj | rue_school: you can put the programs that get launched by startx by editing .xsession |
| 03:17.56 | somiaj | create that file if it doesn't exist |
| 03:17.57 | BenNZ | rue_school: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 03:18.50 | eadthem | im installing debian on a old laptop, and i got to the bootloader installation part, and had to reboot. can i go in to rescue mode and resume the installation? |
| 03:18.51 | Peppi | hmmm does anyone see what I'm doing wrong in fstab: //192.168.1.101:/Disk1 /mnt/qnap/ nfs,hard,intr 0 0 |
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| 03:19.06 | eadthem | due to a graphics driver issue i will always have to reboot at that point i think |
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| 03:21.31 | rue_school | BenNZ, ah! |
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| 03:22.17 | rue_school | somiaj, there is no .xsession in my home dir |
| 03:22.48 | somiaj | rue_school: then create one, should just need one line 'exec /path/to/binary/to/start/wm |
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| 03:23.48 | rue_school | and what about the x shell/ |
| 03:23.49 | rue_school | ? |
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| 03:25.28 | rue_school | it says the only window manager installed is metacity, but I know what I'm looking at isn't metacity |
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| 03:27.32 | rue_school | hmm, still not co-operating |
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| 03:28.08 | rue_school | I used --replace with metacity, the shell dissapeared and now I cant start gnome-panel |
| 03:28.10 | rue_school | hmmmm |
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| 03:37.06 | aruna | rue_school: Try ctrl+alt+f1 and drop into a virtual console ? Then reboot |
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| 03:38.52 | rue_school | why would I do that? |
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| 03:39.58 | aruna | rue_school: if --replace has caused you to lose the shell and gnome panel is not working... well ? |
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| 03:47.08 | rue_school | I have xterms running, I'll survive |
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| 03:50.04 | aruna | rue_school: what does it show when u type grep "^Exec" /usr/share/xsessions/* into xterms ? |
| 03:52.18 | rue_school | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop:Exec=gnome-session |
| 03:52.18 | rue_school | /usr/share/xsessions/gnome-fallback.desktop:Exec=gnome-session-fallback |
| 03:52.29 | rue_school | hmm |
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| 03:56.02 | aruna | rue_school: soo.. dat shows you have gnome and fallback both installed, fallback is usually gnome-classic |
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| 03:57.50 | aruna | rue_school: after you get things sorted out I would give compiz a try, the grid feature alone is worth the overhead |
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| 03:58.55 | rue_school | I just want a nice simple 98isk window manager with NO magic corners |
| 03:59.07 | rue_school | and minimize buttons |
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| 04:01.53 | aruna | rue_school: in that case *awesome* comes to mind :-) |
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| 04:02.43 | aruna | rue_school: has a wee bit of a learning curve but it's a minimal as you can get and it is solid ! |
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| 04:03.25 | aruna | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
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| 04:04.38 | aruna | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyJ1ZBhLnwk |
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| 04:14.32 | travieee | hey |
| 04:14.47 | rabbitear | hey |
| 04:14.51 | Patero | hello I can't use alt+f4 anymore to close a terminal window I did some changes with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and I can't do that anymore also can't use alt+f1 to select a window on the desktop, I tried to put it back the way it was or better but it still doesn't work, which key does alt+f1 belong to altgr or compose key? and how to put it back |
| 04:15.08 | travieee | I am installing debian through 64 bit dvd images, I made a bootable usb stick with dvd1, how do i install the other 2 dvd isos? |
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| 04:15.29 | rabbitear | Patero: man xkill |
| 04:16.51 | travieee | help pls |
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| 04:19.26 | Patero | rabbitear: xkill? is a keyboard configuration setting man not the x server issue |
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| 04:23.50 | AlexLikeRock | nigth :) |
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| 04:26.04 | Patero | alex I know you |
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| 04:26.07 | Patero | night |
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| 04:29.06 | adabo | Not sure if this is a vim or debian issue, but I lost the ability to output c++ iostream inside vim. At one point I could make/run the project and the output would show in vim's console. Now it just 'closes' vim and outputs to terminal. |
| 04:29.38 | adabo | Difference was I was using tty to run vim. Now I'm in xterminal. |
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| 04:40.37 | Patero | adabo: lol |
| 04:40.45 | Patero | man xkill |
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| 04:45.18 | adabo | Patero: ok |
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| 04:45.32 | adabo | Hmm not familiar with that one |
| 04:46.07 | wallbroken | during apt-get install, why, sometimes was asked to me a confirmation? |
| 04:46.38 | adabo | Patero: Actually, my problem isn't that vim is gone, becuase it comes back after the program finishes. |
| 04:47.34 | adabo | wallbroken: Some files are larger and just wants you to know what you're about to download. |
| 04:48.55 | wallbroken | ok many thanks |
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| 05:12.55 | eadthem | when i boot normaly the video stops working just after the terminal appears |
| 05:13.05 | eadthem | i dont have xorg enabled yet |
| 05:13.28 | eadthem | In opensuse i would edit the boot loaders settings in yast2, what do you use in debian to do that? |
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| 05:18.49 | strata | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages Unable to connect to :http: |
| 05:19.11 | strata | when i installed, i had no network. so i didn't get a chance to setup mirrors. how do i do this? |
| 05:19.27 | strata | apparently just editing sources.list isn't enough |
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| 05:21.06 | wingman2 | strata: did you run "apt-get update"? |
| 05:21.14 | rgr | he doesnt have a network connection. |
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| 05:22.08 | rgr | strata: pastebin your sources.list. That pc IS online right? |
| 05:22.31 | wingman2 | ahh I thought he didn't and does now |
| 05:22.38 | strata | rgr: the installer wouldn't let me specify a static route to my default gateway, so i had to bring up the network after install (i have vnc) |
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| 05:23.13 | strata | after i brought up the network, i added a mirror to sources.list and ran apt-get update. and i keep getting the "Unable to connect to :http:" error. |
| 05:23.24 | rgr | but you are online? |
| 05:23.27 | strata | i also tried removing everything in /var/lib/apt/lists, apt-get clean, apt-get update. |
| 05:23.35 | rgr | why would you do that?? |
| 05:23.37 | strata | yes i'm online. i can hit the mirror on port 80 just fine |
| 05:23.55 | Patero | adabo: you're right |
| 05:24.07 | rgr | pasetbin your sources.list |
| 05:24.36 | strata | rgr: i'll have to screenshot it :) (no sshd if i can't install packages) |
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| 05:25.38 | strata | http://i.imgur.com/rzMJfJB.png |
| 05:25.42 | rgr | whats sshd got to do with it? you have no gui on that box? |
| 05:25.50 | strata | oh WOW! |
| 05:25.54 | strata | http:/ ?! |
| 05:25.59 | strata | sorry about that. i'm retarded :P |
| 05:26.16 | rgr | our sources.list is empty? |
| 05:26.19 | rgr | your |
| 05:26.27 | rgr | (corrupt) |
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| 05:26.43 | strata | rgr: i typo'd the url. only had 1 slash |
| 05:26.56 | rgr | yes you are..... |
| 05:26.58 | rgr | ;) |
| 05:27.19 | strata | been up for 30+ hours. was sitting here banging my head against the wall wondering why this was so broken. |
| 05:27.35 | strata | when you have sleep dep, you see double. so i thought it was 2 /'s |
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| 05:28.16 | rgr | and why your first thought should be "pastebin the source". |
| 05:28.24 | Patero | hello I can't use alt+f4 anymore to close a terminal window I did some changes with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and I can't do that anymore also can't use alt+f1 to select a window on the desktop, I tried to put it back the way it was or better but it still doesn't work, which key does alt+f1 belong to altgr or compose key? and how to put it back |
| 05:28.49 | strata | rgr: i can't copy&paste from my vnc client. and i couldn't install sshd to ssh in and copy&paste |
| 05:29.28 | rgr | how are you reading the sources.list? |
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| 05:29.42 | strata | took a screenshot of my vnc window |
| 05:29.50 | rgr | how are you editing it? |
| 05:29.56 | strata | in vnc? |
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| 05:30.26 | rgr | so you are logged in and editing the sources.list? |
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| 05:30.34 | strata | yea |
| 05:30.42 | rgr | and the reason you cant copy it is? |
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| 05:31.29 | strata | ... because vnc is like moving pictures. |
| 05:33.52 | rgr | moving pictures? but you can edit in vnc? I have to believe you when you say you are unable to copy text. But normally the X-selection would be valid to use. |
| 05:34.29 | rgr | There certainly should be an option to allow a shared clipboard. |
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| 05:53.39 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:03.27 | choice | Is there a distraction free writing tool in the Debian repos? |
| 06:04.07 | Ullarah | Vim is distraction free. |
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| 06:05.05 | rgr | if you want to live in the 80s yeah. |
| 06:05.09 | Ullarah | choice, simple google search, https://www.maketecheasier.com/distraction-free-writing-linux/ |
| 06:05.33 | choice | Ullarah: not easy to say if any of those is in the debian repos. |
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| 06:06.09 | Ullarah | If they aren't available, then compile them. |
| 06:07.02 | choice | then how can i be sure there ain't malicious stuff in the code? |
| 06:07.18 | rgr | yeah it is easy. try and apt-get them. Alternatively use full screen emacs and turn the menus off. Im not sure I saw a more fickle or ridiculous "hack". Everything to distract is a mouse move away anyway. |
| 06:07.23 | rgr | choice: you cant. |
| 06:07.40 | choice | rgr: that's why i only use software that is in the debian repos. |
| 06:07.44 | jmcnaught | choice: two ways to search for packages "apt-cache search distraction" or "aptitude search distraction" |
| 06:08.13 | inch | kwrite is also easily distraction free |
| 06:08.28 | rgr | choice: and I dont blame you. Love how they sell this stuff "reminiscent of 80s terminals". lol. COuld just use nano in a full screen session! |
| 06:08.30 | inch | Just hide all toolbars and put it in fullscreen. |
| 06:08.36 | rgr | +1 |
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| 06:08.51 | choice | rgr: i dont want fullscreen. |
| 06:08.57 | choice | inch: i dont want fullscreen. |
| 06:09.09 | inch | Then dont. |
| 06:09.15 | rgr | so you only want mildly un distracting. ok ;) |
| 06:09.25 | choice | i want a window that has nothing but the text with a big margin around it. |
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| 06:22.46 | Ullarah | I know a fix. Stop being distracted. |
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| 06:25.49 | choice | using focuswriter now. looks like it gets the job done. |
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| 06:27.02 | Ullarah | Which, funnily enough, was the first one on the link I provided. |
| 06:27.21 | choice | true :) |
| 06:27.30 | choice | thats how i found it. thank you. |
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| 06:46.10 | n00b | HI, I need some help with debian networking |
| 06:46.29 | Guest14779 | Its seems I just messed up with some settings on my VM and am unable to get it to work |
| 06:46.40 | Guest14779 | any help in this regard would be much appreciated |
| 06:47.16 | Guest14779 | Hi Anyone on? |
| 06:47.27 | Guest14779 | folks any help would be really appreciated |
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| 06:48.38 | Guest14779 | anyone friends? |
| 06:48.45 | Guest14779 | kindly help me... am stuck |
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| 06:49.17 | rozie | Guest14779: ask a real question |
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| 06:49.44 | rozie | so far we know nothing about setup/topology/debian version |
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| 06:50.02 | Guest14779 | rozie... i am unable to get an IP address... I've tried everything from checking my /etc/network/interfaces to dhclienth eth0 to get a dhcp lease |
| 06:50.10 | Guest14779 | but somehow I am just not getting an IP address |
| 06:50.58 | Guest14779 | tried restarting the vm multiple times and host computer too in hopes of getting this addressed |
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| 06:51.49 | Guest14779 | not sure what else I can do... it used to work before... just that its not working now... I switched from host mode to bridged mode and restarted the network service using /etc/init.d/network restart post which it seems this issue is arising |
| 06:51.50 | rozie | probably wrong type of network chosen in hypervisor |
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| 06:51.57 | rozie | or no dhcp server running |
| 06:52.01 | Guest14779 | bridge mode is what used to work |
| 06:52.07 | Guest14779 | i am corp env... it used to work before |
| 06:52.14 | Guest14779 | and if i switch to NAT mode, it still does |
| 06:52.20 | Guest14779 | but not on bridged or host mode |
| 06:52.24 | Guest14779 | just dont get an IP |
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| 06:52.35 | rozie | talk to network administrator of your network |
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| 06:53.05 | rozie | used to work, stopped to work - looks like not a Debian problem |
| 06:53.17 | Guest14779 | it still works with NAT mode |
| 06:53.23 | Guest14779 | but not in bridged mode |
| 06:53.34 | Guest14779 | which makes me believe i messed up somewhere in local system |
| 06:53.55 | Guest14779 | and my host machine still has network perfectly working, which strengthens my belief |
| 06:54.16 | rozie | 1. use NAT mode |
| 06:54.31 | rozie | 2. talk to network administrator so he can help you debug problem |
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| 06:55.05 | rozie | you can also check with sniffer how does communication (DHCP negotiation) looks like |
| 06:55.19 | Guest14779 | rozie i am trying to learn to debug it myself too.... going the easy route can always solve my problem, but i won't learn how to fix an issue next time this happens |
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| 06:55.56 | Guest14779 | u mean i should run wireshark to check the packets? |
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| 07:07.45 | Aprendiz1234 | hi all |
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| 07:08.22 | maol4 | HELLO |
| 07:08.26 | maol4 | I NEED help |
| 07:08.59 | Aprendiz1234 | I have a problem creating a new LVM partition. I create a primary partition, use default values and change partition for LVM but the size is 1 MB instead of 20 G. what is the problem? |
| 07:08.59 | maol4 | in debian i found 2GB file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 07:09.02 | maol4 | how to delete that file? |
| 07:09.06 | maol4 | i need SPACE |
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| 07:10.25 | SPF | maol4: aptitude clean |
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| 07:12.14 | maol4 | SPF: i got several errors |
| 07:12.40 | Aprendiz1234 | I did again the steps and in the second round I get the partition with the right size. why fdisk create 1023K partition first? |
| 07:12.48 | maol4 | SPF /user/vin/uwt: line 204: echo: write error: No space left on device |
| 07:13.23 | maol4 | HELP |
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| 07:15.30 | timmu | maol4: why not move to arizona? |
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| 07:16.05 | maol4 | timmu a state Arizona? its crap state |
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| 07:16.15 | timmu | maol4: there's lot's of space though |
| 07:16.26 | maol4 | but SPACE is not my only need |
| 07:16.53 | maol4 | I NEED TO DELETE FILES on stupid debian fast |
| 07:17.01 | maol4 | on windows, windows allows me to |
| 07:17.10 | timmu | maol4: in the bofh tradition the first recommendation would be "rm -rf /" i guess |
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| 07:17.26 | maol4 | timmu they said to use aptitude clean |
| 07:17.34 | maol4 | i try but shit doesnt work |
| 07:17.41 | timmu | maol4: in the more gentle ways, df -h, du -sh and subtle use of "rm" should get you there |
| 07:17.53 | maol4 | timmu but i dont know which stupid files i can delete |
| 07:18.00 | timmu | maol4: apt-get autoclean |
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| 07:18.25 | maol4 | timmu SAME ERROR |
| 07:18.28 | maol4 | NO SPACE ON DEVICE |
| 07:18.29 | timmu | maol4: you emit subtle signals, that you don't have much experience with this? |
| 07:18.33 | maol4 | where to get this stupid space? |
| 07:18.43 | maol4 | timmu with what |
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| 07:19.03 | jelly | maol4: show output of "df; echo; df -i" in a pastebin. |
| 07:19.16 | maol4 | so in other words, this STUPID IDIOT DEBIAn is telling me that I NEED MORE SPACE TO GET SPACE |
| 07:19.23 | maol4 | if i had space i wouldnt need to clean stupid files |
| 07:19.52 | timmu | oh, life the universe and so on.. |
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| 07:20.39 | maol4 | jelly /dev/sda1 7503320 7118340 0 100% / |
| 07:21.02 | timmu | du -sh /* |
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| 07:21.23 | Aprendiz1234 | timmu: can you help me about LVM? I have created a new partition but in the first round fdisk create a 1023k partition and in the second round the right size. do you know why is acting in that way? |
| 07:21.55 | maol4 | timmu how to stop it? it locked MY COMPUTER |
| 07:21.56 | jelly | maol4: which command is that from, "df" or "df -i"? paste.debian.net or a different pastebin, please, and the whole output. |
| 07:21.57 | maol4 | its exploded |
| 07:22.08 | maol4 | jelly df |
| 07:22.22 | maol4 | timmu it destroyed my PC how to stop this |
| 07:22.35 | maol4 | jelly timmu destroyed my PC |
| 07:22.39 | jelly | maol4: please do precisely as asked: put the complete output of "df; echo; df -i" into a pastebin |
| 07:22.44 | maol4 | ok it stopped |
| 07:22.49 | maol4 | jelly ol |
| 07:22.50 | maol4 | ok |
| 07:22.56 | jelly | maol4: and I told you to ask in #debian-pl the other day, did you do that? |
| 07:23.00 | timmu | maol4: i don't think I want to help you. It's just too painful to watch. |
| 07:23.04 | maol4 | jelly i forgot to |
| 07:23.14 | maol4 | timmu the command stopped it just spammed some 1000 messages |
| 07:23.25 | jelly | do it now, please, your English is extremely bad |
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| 07:28.10 | Aprendiz1234 | why when I create a LVM partition it creates with a 1023k size in the first round and if I repeat the steps in the second round it creates with the right size? |
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| 07:30.31 | timmu | Aprendiz1234: what is the exact command that you use? |
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| 07:31.13 | Aprendiz1234 | timmu: I use this => http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&externalId=1006371 the point 5 exactly for partitions |
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| 08:22.36 | JuiceBeetle | Is a "kernel module" the same thing as a "device driver"? |
| 08:23.34 | marsjaninzmarsa | yes and no. |
| 08:23.50 | JuiceBeetle | i give up |
| 08:24.04 | marsjaninzmarsa | not all kernel modules are device drivers. |
| 08:24.57 | JuiceBeetle | ok, no prob. |
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| 08:26.35 | JuiceBeetle | I want to verify, to see with mine own eyes, that the kernel module for my graphics chip is present in my Live-USB stick. How do I do such? |
| 08:27.06 | nkuttler | JuiceBeetle: lsmod |
| 08:27.09 | maik | JuiceBeetle: lsmod |
| 08:27.10 | maik | gah |
| 08:27.31 | maik | actually, lspci -vv | less |
| 08:27.55 | maik | get down to your graphics card and it should have a line for the loaded kernel module |
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| 08:29.34 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: Do you want to check if it is loaded and used when running from the live USB stick or if it is present on the stick before you actually boot it? |
| 08:30.06 | JuiceBeetle | vlt: the latter option you mentioned. |
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| 08:30.40 | maik | doh |
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| 08:31.08 | JuiceBeetle | Before I begin the install activity, I want to know whether my kernel module has been shipped in the ISO i have. |
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| 08:31.43 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: You could either chroot and then run modinfo <your_module> there or just search for the file in lib/modules. |
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| 08:33.28 | JuiceBeetle | vlt: in my USB stick, I only see this dirs: /dists, /install, /isolinux, /live, /pool, /tools, /.disk. No "/lib" :( |
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| 08:34.14 | maik | i believe it's all in the init image |
| 08:35.09 | JuiceBeetle | where be init image? |
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| 08:35.40 | maik | hmm |
| 08:35.52 | maik | has different names sometimes but it usually starts with "init" |
| 08:36.16 | maik | sometimes initrd.gz |
| 08:37.35 | JuiceBeetle | in the "/" directory of the ISO? |
| 08:38.06 | JuiceBeetle | oh. found it. |
| 08:38.24 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: Ah sorry, I didn't realize you are using an image in ISO format instead of just putting GRUB and a file system on the stick. |
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| 08:39.04 | JuiceBeetle | vlt: this is the Live-CD on a USB stick. :P |
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| 08:39.41 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: You'd have to mount the iso image and then proceed like described before. |
| 08:40.29 | JuiceBeetle | vlt: i'm looking at the dir tree in the ISO, right now. |
| 08:40.58 | JuiceBeetle | I see these dirs: /dists, /install, /isolinux, /live, /pool, /tools, /.disk. No "/lib" |
| 08:41.45 | maik | hold on let me download an iso and look |
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| 08:42.48 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: Can you just run `du -ma /your/mounted/iso | sort -n | tail`, please, to find the largest files? |
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| 08:43.50 | vlt | JuiceBeetle: Maybe there'S another image in the image :-D |
| 08:43.55 | JuiceBeetle | In the initd.gz I see: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-586/kernel/ ... and ./drivers, and ./lib hanging off from there. |
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| 08:44.52 | JuiceBeetle | ama try ./drivers . . . |
| 08:45.23 | maik | JuiceBeetle: that's under /install/ right? |
| 08:45.47 | maik | i believe if you want to know if if the live OS has your driver you want to look at /live/initrd.img |
| 08:46.06 | JuiceBeetle | yes, this is under /install/ |
| 08:46.09 | maik | and possibly in /live/filesystem.squashfs |
| 08:47.54 | JuiceBeetle | hum ... i have /live/initrd1.img, and /live/initrd2.img |
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| 08:49.16 | JuiceBeetle | i see a "vgastate.ko" . . . looks very generic |
| 08:49.30 | maik | probably not what you're looking for |
| 08:49.35 | maik | what is your graphics chipset? |
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| 08:50.29 | JuiceBeetle | GeForce |
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| 08:50.51 | maik | so off the top of my head it should be nvidia.ko or nv.ko |
| 08:51.37 | JuiceBeetle | maik: ok |
| 08:51.53 | maik | i don't suppose you can just try booting it? :) |
| 08:52.14 | JuiceBeetle | Gnome File Roller error: "Could not open "initrd2.img" ; Archive type not supported." |
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| 08:52.24 | maik | ah |
| 08:52.31 | maik | OS X was giving me the same problems |
| 08:52.56 | JuiceBeetle | which app opens *.img files? |
| 08:53.48 | JuiceBeetle | they should just use .zip |
| 08:53.53 | JuiceBeetle | universal |
| 08:53.59 | maik | lol |
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| 08:54.28 | maik | there is more to compressed files than what's universal |
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| 08:55.30 | JuiceBeetle | what's the use if everybody and their nephew cannot decompress them? |
| 08:56.20 | maik | everyone and their nephew shouldn't need to decompress them. it's more important for the kernel to remain light to do its job during boot |
| 08:56.37 | maik | that means a fast, efficient stream of the data |
| 08:56.38 | maik | zip is not that |
| 08:56.56 | maik | if you're curious what type of file it is, run 'file initrd.img' |
| 08:57.06 | arahael | So, what's a great "automatic" database tool? I want something simpler than MS Access, so Libreoffice base is too complicated. |
| 08:57.23 | maik | arahael: what do you mean "automatic" ? |
| 08:57.34 | arahael | I want to specify a table, and fields. I don't want to bother with designing forms, reports, and all that stuff. |
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| 08:57.54 | maik | sqlite? |
| 08:58.26 | maik | simple db backend that is supported lots of places, everything is contained in one file |
| 08:58.28 | arahael | maik: Don't I have to write raw SQL for that, plus, it's still fairly raw in general. I essentially want something that automatically generates convenient forms. |
| 08:58.47 | maik | oh so you want forms. i misunderstood |
| 08:58.47 | arahael | maik: Note, I'm a developer, and someone who knows databases. But I'm looking for a low-tech solution. |
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| 08:58.59 | maik | gotcha. i'm no help then |
| 09:00.35 | arahael | maik: I've no desire to do yet another CRUD application. :) |
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| 09:02.39 | deepy | arahael: where do you intend to use it? |
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| 09:03.09 | JuiceBeetle | arahael: use a spreadsheet? |
| 09:03.19 | arahael | deepy: Just general databases. :) I want a general solution. Maybe I want to put my book catalogue in it, without using something specific such as DeliciousLibrary. (though, that's not on debian) |
| 09:03.32 | Patero | Hello! o/ DOes anyone knows where Can I get firmware files for my Ati hd5770 so the kernel stops bitching about something about modsetting and stuff |
| 09:03.43 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: That's an awkward, but yes, pragmatic solution. |
| 09:03.51 | deepy | arahael: if you know databases then you should know that there's no general solution, what you're talking about is unfortunately, a spreadsheet :-) |
| 09:04.08 | arahael | deepy: I refuse to believe that. :) |
| 09:04.43 | deepy | It's the truth, you might be able to get some small parts of it by using a key-value store, but that's not a database |
| 09:04.51 | JuiceBeetle | arahael: one of these newfangled "no-SQL" databases, perhaps? |
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| 09:05.16 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: Blegh. Actually Postgresql already has most of that functionality with it's bson and xml suport. |
| 09:05.18 | arahael | *support |
| 09:05.37 | deepy | Your best bet is probably to pick a language and find an ORM for it, there you're going to have a very general low-effort solution |
| 09:06.00 | arahael | True. Django gets most of the way there. |
| 09:06.15 | deepy | SQLAlchemy is a nicer ORM than Django |
| 09:06.17 | maik | i was just thinkign about django. wasn't sure if you were looking for web though |
| 09:06.31 | arahael | maik: Hadn't you heard? The web is the universal client. |
| 09:06.43 | maik | cloud!? |
| 09:06.48 | arahael | deepy: As an ORM, sure, but django has automatical forms for it. |
| 09:06.57 | arahael | Something about django rubs me the wrong way though. |
| 09:07.13 | maik | look it's _too_ helpful? |
| 09:07.13 | deepy | Well then you better turn around, becuase you're rubbing the magic lamp the wrong way |
| 09:07.30 | arahael | Meh. |
| 09:07.34 | maik | what about... jinja? |
| 09:07.43 | arahael | That's... A templating engine. |
| 09:07.44 | maik | no not that |
| 09:07.45 | maik | derp |
| 09:07.49 | arahael | derp? |
| 09:07.51 | JuiceBeetle | i thought Django was to make websites, not dbases ... but i don't know. |
| 09:08.00 | deepy | JuiceBeetle: Django comes with an ORM built-in |
| 09:08.02 | maik | no that was me commenting on my stupidity |
| 09:08.47 | maik | for some reason i thought the pocoo guys had a ORM but i must be wrong |
| 09:08.51 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: You're right. |
| 09:09.00 | deepy | maik: they tend to use sqlalchemy |
| 09:09.02 | maik | i played with flask/jinja after django so must just be confused |
| 09:09.04 | maik | ah |
| 09:09.19 | arahael | maik: jinja is very similar to django's templating. |
| 09:09.48 | maik | ah |
| 09:10.29 | arahael | Well, I'll keep looking. |
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| 09:15.08 | JuiceBeetle | Aight . . . I boot this Live-USB for tryoutâit boots. HOWEVER, it says it has some problem with my GPU, and that it will do graphics via software ... or something to that effect. I suspect the kernel module for my GPU is not in the "LIVE" boot. But what I wondered was whether the INSTALL part of the USB contents might have it in there. See? |
| 09:15.43 | JuiceBeetle | by the way, this "software" graphics runs as slow as turds. |
| 09:16.00 | TomyWork | Does dpkg overwrite permissions of existing directories during unpacking? https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html says nothing about it |
| 09:16.38 | themill | TomyWork: you need dpkg-statoverride |
| 09:17.31 | maik | JuiceBeetle: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:17.39 | maik | and goodnight |
| 09:17.51 | JuiceBeetle | maik: thanks |
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| 09:20.04 | arahael | maik: Where did he say he wanted NVidia? |
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| 09:20.25 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: .zip, btw, is far from universal. |
| 09:20.27 | blackyboy | Hi all |
| 09:20.31 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: It's just a container format. |
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| 09:20.43 | arahael | JuiceBeetle: The actual compression algorithm varies considerably. |
| 09:21.24 | JuiceBeetle | arahael: i mentioned before my chip was a GeForce |
| 09:21.48 | arahael | Ah, that's nvidia I believe, after all. :) |
| 09:21.58 | JuiceBeetle | yeppers |
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| 09:24.55 | JuiceBeetle | Thang is that if I do the installation, without the driver, hoping to install it afterwards ... I'll be royally fukt. Because my 'puter is unusable with this "graphics via software" kludge. |
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| 09:28.47 | blackyboy | Will the Oracle Server X5-2 support Debian 7.8 wheezy ? |
| 09:29.32 | blackyboy | Installed fine but network not working properly showing as depricated and i can't ping outside of the box |
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| 09:30.10 | blackyboy | May be there some driver issue or something ? I can't find any abnormal logs too . |
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| 09:32.05 | Patero | does anyone thinks my usb debian installed system only works in my desktop that has usb2 ports and not on my laotop that has usb 3 ports only since debian doesn't support usb3 didn't boot up it cant' load the OS cause of the usb storage module limitation am i right? |
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| 09:33.07 | Patero | my debian is on my usb stick |
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| 09:33.49 | jelly | blackyboy: what specifically is showing as deprecated? |
| 09:34.33 | TomyWork | themill what is the default? |
| 09:34.44 | jelly | blackyboy: can you show the output of: lspci -nn |grep -iE 'Ethernet|Network' |
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| 09:36.17 | XeonSquared | Patero, what OS does your laptop run and is it UEFI? |
| 09:37.27 | no_gravity | So I installed focuswriter. It's awesome but it has an ugly splash screen. According to the repository on GitHub it is called "load.png" but "find / -iname load.png" does not find anything. Can find miss it somehow? |
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| 09:38.40 | no_gravity | Or is it compiled into the executable? |
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| 09:40.17 | JuiceBeetle | Patero: i'm guessing kernel module to drive the USB 3 hub in your laptop are needed. |
| 09:40.44 | JuiceBeetle | , /are/is/ |
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| 09:54.30 | drzed | i've got a strange nfs problem: after mounting the nfs directory it is empty |
| 09:54.46 | drzed | and owned by a very strange uid (4294967294) |
| 09:55.09 | drzed | http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?673778 <-- details |
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| 09:56.03 | drzed | i suspect that it has something to do with idmap or nss/ldap |
| 09:56.17 | drzed | however i've no idea how to debug this further |
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| 09:56.34 | drzed | any recommendations? |
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| 10:00.15 | no_gravity | How do I patch a program that is in the debian repos? |
| 10:00.31 | rgr | by asking then by default you cant... ;) |
| 10:00.59 | no_gravity | i mean only for my own usage |
| 10:01.10 | no_gravity | i want to get rid of the splash screen in focuswriter. |
| 10:01.13 | rgr | hang on, you want a non distracting authoring tool and now you want to recompile it and fix the splash screen? Something wrong here :) |
| 10:01.32 | rgr | no_gravity: then you need to get the source and edit it out. |
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| 10:02.11 | no_gravity | rgr: the "focuswriter_1.5.4.1.orig.tar.gz" from this page? https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/focuswriter |
| 10:04.14 | no_gravity | strange, when i click on "jessie" and then download, it, i get focuswriter 1.5.3. but on my machine it is 1.4.5 |
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| 10:04.26 | gox39 | hi people, I have a bluetooth based gaming controller (has the capability to connect as a keyboard and mouse device) that I have absolutely no problem with pairing it with my xubuntu host. but does anyone know how to pair and use the controller via the terminal ? |
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| 10:05.35 | rgr | I have a bit of a hotchpotch debian (xfce parts with xmonad). Alsa provides the sound. Is it a load of hassle to get a bluetooth headphone working) And be honest : Im using Jessie (stable) and dont want to be patching kernels etc :) |
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| 10:06.12 | rgr | no_gravity: youre downloading from sid. Work it out. |
| 10:06.20 | themill | dpkg: tell no_gravity about package recompile |
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| 10:06.56 | no_gravity | rgr: i clicked on jessie. try it. it says 1.5.3 |
| 10:07.08 | eajhtnak | no_gravity: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
| 10:07.21 | rgr | the link you gave is sid. |
| 10:07.32 | no_gravity | rgr: i know. |
| 10:07.41 | no_gravity | rgr: thats why i said "i clicked on jessie" |
| 10:07.48 | rgr | you'd have half your book written now.... ;) |
| 10:07.51 | no_gravity | rgr: that then takes you to https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/focuswriter |
| 10:08.12 | rgr | im not clicking on anything. Google up "debian build apt-get dependencies sources". |
| 10:08.24 | rgr | you can normally get the source for your installed version. |
| 10:08.31 | rgr | (using apt) |
| 10:08.52 | no_gravity | apt-get source focuswriter? |
| 10:08.58 | tfrpz | hi, i'm using debian testing x86_64 and it seems there is a problem between the last linux kernel update (4.1) and fglrx (15.7)... This is the log: http://pastebin.com/dq4GDN22 |
| 10:09.18 | tfrpz | can you help me? |
| 10:09.19 | no_gravity | > Unable to find a source package for focuswriter |
| 10:09.28 | jelly | no_gravity: did you get a /msg from dpkg bot? It concisely lays out the steps required. |
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| 10:10.24 | rgr | no_gravity: random attempts wont be right. There is a fixed method for getting the required sources and dependencies. Im on my small laptop now and cant bring up google but you can find it using a little bit of noddle. |
| 10:10.33 | rgr | or use jelly's msg ;) |
| 10:10.52 | jelly | not mine, bot's (and themill's) |
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| 10:10.55 | no_gravity | jelly: yes. it says "add a sources deb to your sources list" but i dont know what that means. |
| 10:11.00 | jelly | !deb-src |
| 10:11.00 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
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| 10:11.19 | no_gravity | ok |
| 10:11.29 | no_gravity | i think this is too complicated for now. maybe i will try one day. |
| 10:11.35 | no_gravity | thanks for all your help! |
| 10:11.45 | rgr | google up an example. Its only too complicated because you're not actually looking anything up yourself. |
| 10:11.55 | rgr | with that msg and the hints you'll get there. |
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| 10:12.24 | NPE | I've been using clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC , but when I upgraded to new distro with glibc 2.19 it is affected by manual clock changes like date -s ... What is going on? |
| 10:12.32 | rgr | https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
| 10:12.49 | rgr | no_gravity: ^^ |
| 10:12.50 | no_gravity | rgr: maybe. i just though killing the splash screen might be a 5 minute thing. so i got into this. but its probably more like a 2 hour thing. |
| 10:13.11 | rgr | how can you think that if yo cant even compile a package?Anyway. Youve got the link. |
| 10:13.42 | no_gravity | well, thats what i mean with 2 hours. learning about source sources. learning about compiling packages. learning c++... |
| 10:14.04 | deepy | are you sure you need to learn c++? |
| 10:14.13 | NPE | Does date -s use adjtime when changing time? |
| 10:14.19 | deepy | compiling is easy, just remember to learn about PREFIX |
| 10:14.23 | no_gravity | deepy: alternatively, create an empty image and see if it looks good... |
| 10:14.52 | no_gravity | this is fun, but takes too much time. im out. thanks again! |
| 10:15.03 | jelly | deepy: no need to mess with PREFIX when rebuilding a debian package |
| 10:15.29 | jelly | NPE: it doesn't touch the hardware clock at all |
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| 10:16.59 | rgr | blimey. if he thought he was going to leanr building from source and c++ and a strange code base in 2 hours he's severely optimistic. Its a bit like the android gaming sw group where people want to "write their own game" in an afternoon because they found a flappy bird sprite..... |
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| 10:17.28 | TomyWork | Does dpkg overwrite permissions of existing directories during unpacking? https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html says nothing about it. themill says I need dpkg-statoverride, but i was wondering what the default was |
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| 10:22.39 | Patero | guys the dosfslabel command is not existent in debian or apt-get yet a manual says it can be used to change a label of a fat32 partition what is wrong |
| 10:23.16 | JyZyXEL | Patero: maybe that tool is contained in the "dosfstools" package? |
| 10:23.41 | Patero | JyZyXEL: could be |
| 10:23.55 | themill | dpkg: tell Patero about apt-file |
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| 10:24.27 | Patero | JyZyXEL: I have dosfstools but I can't execute any tool |
| 10:24.35 | Patero | maybe sudo will show it |
| 10:24.52 | Patero | oh that's what it was |
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| 10:26.06 | themill | TomyWork: policy §10.9.1: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.9.1 |
| 10:26.41 | Patero | I understand themill |
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| 10:28.44 | tfrpz | i'm using debian testing x86_64 and it seems there is a problem between the last linux kernel update (4.1) and fglrx (15.7)... This is the log: http://pastebin.com/dq4GDN22 |
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| 10:34.15 | TomyWork | themill that describes the use of dpkg-statoverride for system administrators. i read somewhere else that dpkg-statoverride shouldnt be used in a package. and regardless, I still don't know what the default behaviour of dpkg is when unpacking a package that contains a path that already exists |
| 10:34.39 | themill | That section of policy covers that too |
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| 10:35.12 | TomyWork | i just want to know whether i should report as a bug that a package has /etc/init.d with 700 permissions in it |
| 10:35.43 | armin | ohai #cccamp15 |
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| 10:41.38 | TomyWork | or rather, if it causes problems. |
| 10:41.44 | NPE | jelly: it seems it does on systems with glibc 2.19 and upwards |
| 10:42.48 | NPE | jelly: as the change it does affects clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC... |
| 10:43.16 | jelly | NPE: oh dear, I probably don't want to know why |
| 10:43.28 | themill | TomyWork: which package? |
| 10:43.55 | TomyWork | it's not public |
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| 10:49.21 | garyDavid | Hi! |
| 10:49.46 | garyDavid | How do I use my nonfree graphics card? |
| 10:50.00 | garyDavid | AFAIK, my Debian (8) doesn't use it. |
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| 10:50.23 | garyDavid | I know that my graphics card does not support free software - yet (hopefully). |
| 10:50.32 | garyDavid | I have a Radeon graphics card. |
| 10:50.53 | garyDavid | What's the worst thing that can happen if I use my non free software supporting graphics card? |
| 10:50.59 | garyDavid | A backdoor or some sort? |
| 10:51.39 | Chocolate_Chip | With non-free software that can be a concern |
| 10:51.56 | Chocolate_Chip | But the primary concerrn is that people are taking code and monopolizing it |
| 10:52.10 | Chocolate_Chip | That's a real reason to not use non-free code |
| 10:52.23 | Chocolate_Chip | But if you ABSOLUTLY MUIST, then use the non-free drivers |
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| 10:52.49 | Chocolate_Chip | Security threats do exist in non-free software, but it's a low-level concern tbh |
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| 10:55.24 | Chocolate_Chip | garyDavid, you could always learn C and make the drivers yourself |
| 10:55.45 | TomyWork | i'm fed up with guessing. you're making claims about what the policy manual says, I read the entire chapters 9 and 10 now and there is *nothing* about how dpkg handles pre-existing directories. |
| 10:56.05 | TomyWork | but it's ok, I found the problem already |
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| 10:57.12 | Chocolate_Chip | garyDavid, in /etc/apt/sources.list add contrib non-free to the end of all lines |
| 10:57.29 | garyDavid | Ah |
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| 10:57.37 | Chocolate_Chip | Run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:57.43 | garyDavid | Is Free Software the most secure kind of software? |
| 10:57.52 | garyDavid | I'm really confused. |
| 10:57.57 | themill | TomyWork: oh.. directories not files? Sorry, I missed that detail. |
| 10:58.01 | garyDavid | Chocolate_Chip: Thanks |
| 10:58.07 | Chocolate_Chip | Then search the debian website for drivers pertaining to your card, find the package name, and do sudo apt-get install packagename |
| 10:58.08 | welling | secure softwares don't exist |
| 10:58.18 | garyDavid | Chocolate_Chip: Though, is Free Software the best kind of software? |
| 10:58.30 | garyDavid | welling: Why is that? |
| 10:58.37 | cast | it is the best kind. in official debian, it is the only kind |
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| 10:58.46 | Chocolate_Chip | garyDavid, free software is software that people are allowed to modify themselves, reuse, change for the better, etc |
| 10:58.54 | garyDavid | Chocolate_Chip: Damn |
| 10:58.59 | Chocolate_Chip | Free software is better. No software is secure |
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| 10:59.12 | garyDavid | But there are security software right? |
| 10:59.21 | TomyWork | garyDavid only if the source is publicly available the public can assess the security, and free software usually means the source is available, so there's that |
| 10:59.28 | Chocolate_Chip | With free software, however, the people using it can review the code and report any errors faster than you can with propiority software |
| 10:59.37 | garyDavid | Hmmm |
| 11:00.03 | garyDavid | Also there's this person in some channel that with open source features can be added much faster as opposed to free software. |
| 11:00.04 | TomyWork | with closed-source software, there can always be a backdoor |
| 11:00.08 | Chocolate_Chip | With pripority software, you have a bunch of courprate people making a monopoly off code, bugtesting it themselves very slowly |
| 11:00.09 | garyDavid | With free software, if you want a feature, make it yourself. |
| 11:00.14 | Chocolate_Chip | yes |
| 11:00.16 | garyDavid | He/she said it like that. |
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| 11:00.39 | garyDavid | How does that monopoly work? |
| 11:01.09 | TomyWork | you take turns rolling dice, you get 4000$ each round and if you go to jail, you dont pass go |
| 11:01.57 | garyDavid | You don't pass go? |
| 11:02.27 | welling | garyDavid, what are we talking about? free softwares? |
| 11:02.44 | garyDavid | welling: Yes, and if it is the best kind of software. |
| 11:02.44 | welling | a free software can reach a decent level of security if the community contributes to its safeness |
| 11:03.03 | garyDavid | welling: Hmmm |
| 11:03.04 | deepy | Chocolate_Chip: that's a generalization |
| 11:03.07 | garyDavid | See |
| 11:03.12 | garyDavid | I think Free Software is really great. |
| 11:03.19 | garyDavid | And I think I would work on it. |
| 11:03.19 | welling | yeah, it is |
| 11:03.21 | deepy | I've seen a lot of proprietary projects with better processes than a lot of open-source projects |
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| 11:03.23 | garyDavid | But my family depends on me. |
| 11:03.26 | garyDavid | We need money |
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| 11:03.35 | garyDavid | I don't know if we're middle class or poor |
| 11:03.37 | darxmurf | anybody knows CakePHP here ? |
| 11:03.44 | darxmurf | (sorry :x ) |
| 11:03.46 | garyDavid | But right now especially I'm on my last year of college |
| 11:03.51 | deepy | darxmurf: ask ##php but you really should consider another language |
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| 11:03.54 | garyDavid | We spent so much |
| 11:03.57 | garyDavid | On me |
| 11:04.15 | darxmurf | deepy: I know... just have to edit a old project :x |
| 11:04.23 | deepy | kill it with fire |
| 11:04.25 | garyDavid | I look forward to using explicitly Free Software, and help making Free Software, but would it be hard for me to make a living with it? As said also by a lot of people? |
| 11:04.29 | darxmurf | we will replace that but have to fix something first |
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| 11:04.49 | garyDavid | Wordpress is the only company I know that has been successful with explicitly working with Free Software. |
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| 11:04.56 | deepy | garyDavid: that's bullshit, there's nothing preventing you from having a working business model on Free software |
| 11:04.59 | welling | not the only one |
| 11:05.02 | deepy | You just sell it in a different way |
| 11:05.06 | garyDavid | How? |
| 11:05.11 | garyDavid | Legit references? |
| 11:05.16 | deepy | support contracts |
| 11:05.23 | cast | i get paid to work with mostly free software [gnu/linux] |
| 11:05.30 | deepy | And if you're able you can sell it under a different license |
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| 11:05.33 | garyDavid | cast: What's your work? |
| 11:05.50 | garyDavid | deepy: If I'm able? You mean if I'm literate enough? |
| 11:05.53 | cast | i look after gnu/linux systems |
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| 11:06.03 | deepy | Like, if you release it under the AGPL that is obviously not going to work for everyone (becuase the AGPL is the most evilest extension of the most evilest license) so some might buy it under another license |
| 11:06.19 | deepy | garyDavid: no, I mean if you own the code yourself |
| 11:06.29 | garyDavid | deepy: Ah |
| 11:06.36 | deepy | If you've accepted patches submitted under the AGPL you can't take them and sell them under a sane license |
| 11:06.53 | garyDavid | Well that sucks |
| 11:07.06 | deepy | Well that's what you get for using AGPL |
| 11:07.11 | cast | here and there non-free stuff might creep in, depending where you work, things like splunk are popular. but for the most part, life in the free software world is quite nice. no worrying about user licences, or buying the version with the features you need, and it saves a large stack of money for other things |
| 11:07.19 | knivsta | hi |
| 11:07.26 | deepy | But it's not so relevant, when you reach that point you should have a sufficient code base |
| 11:07.33 | garyDavid | Honestly, the Ivybridge graphics or whatever you call it - and I assume that's what Debian improvises for drivers not being able to work with Free Software by default - sucks. |
| 11:07.41 | garyDavid | My eyes kinda hurt. |
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| 11:07.45 | deepy | And at that point you might ask people to submit their patches to you under a different license |
| 11:07.51 | cast | and when things are broke, you're not sitting waiting for a big vendor to fix things for you. you can fix it yourself, or pay some arbitrary person to fix it |
| 11:08.22 | deepy | cast: that doesn't really happen in reality, in reality you sit and wait for the vendor to fix it |
| 11:08.34 | garyDavid | cast: Yeah but as we know, there are much more people who aren't interested to fix things. |
| 11:08.48 | garyDavid | I see Free Software as Utopian. |
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| 11:08.58 | garyDavid | But I look forward to it happening. |
| 11:09.14 | garyDavid | Hopefully I'm still alive to see the wonder it promises. |
| 11:09.21 | deepy | It's not an utopia, but it suffers from most problems proprietary software suffers from |
| 11:09.26 | cast | deepy: speak for yourself ;) |
| 11:09.43 | deepy | cast: we monetize on workarounds :> |
| 11:09.45 | garyDavid | You guys know DEFCON right? |
| 11:09.48 | garyDavid | How was it? |
| 11:09.56 | knivsta | Is Debian finally updating the Iceweasel? |
| 11:09.59 | knivsta | What the Heck? |
| 11:10.01 | knivsta | I love it |
| 11:10.02 | garyDavid | knivsta: Yes |
| 11:10.03 | knivsta | thanks |
| 11:10.06 | knivsta | 38.2? |
| 11:10.10 | knivsta | so much better |
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| 11:10.30 | knivsta | garyDavid, do you use KDE edition? |
| 11:10.30 | gox39 | Hi people, can someone assist me with pairing my bluetooth controller with the help of the bluez- command tools ? I did a "$ sudo bluez-test-input connect xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx " but the problem is that there is no js0 device created in the /dev/input folder |
| 11:10.31 | knivsta | or gnome? |
| 11:10.33 | gox39 | can someone help |
| 11:10.38 | garyDavid | knivsta: Nope, GNOME |
| 11:10.45 | garyDavid | knivsta: Yes GNOME |
| 11:10.50 | garyDavid | knivsta: Why? |
| 11:11.01 | knivsta | actually my DAD wants to try out my Debian thing as he calls it, he is coming from Windows 7 / 8 / 10 now |
| 11:11.05 | garyDavid | What is it you're excited about with 38.2? |
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| 11:11.13 | knivsta | so I am thinking about giving him KDE experience |
| 11:11.16 | garyDavid | knivsta: Ah that's cool. |
| 11:11.22 | garyDavid | Hmmm |
| 11:11.26 | garyDavid | Up to you |
| 11:11.37 | Chocolate_Chip | >KDE |
| 11:11.38 | Chocolate_Chip | No |
| 11:11.40 | deepy | Personally I'm a big fan of XFCE |
| 11:11.47 | Chocolate_Chip | KDE is the worst thing I ever used. |
| 11:11.58 | Chocolate_Chip | use LXDE if ou want to keep the Windows-esque elements |
| 11:12.16 | knivsta | garyDavid, Can 7 yr old SATA Laptop disk freeze a little bit on latest desktop mobo esp. when with Full disk encryption on Debian Jessie Stable Gnome? |
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| 11:12.29 | knivsta | Chocolate_Chip, why is it worse? |
| 11:12.34 | knivsta | People call it powerful and better |
| 11:12.39 | garyDavid | When the fuck is it safe again to use Tor Browser on full screen size? |
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| 11:12.48 | Chocolate_Chip | It was worse for me |
| 11:12.57 | knivsta | garyDavid, no but they forgot to mention it this time |
| 11:12.57 | knivsta | :) |
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| 11:13.00 | knivsta | Chocolate_Chip, how? |
| 11:13.07 | garyDavid | knivsta: ? |
| 11:13.15 | knivsta | garyDavid, don't you get frustrated that you cannot do nothing in Open/Save dialog in Gnome? |
| 11:13.19 | arahael | garyDavid: Ultimately, you need to decide what is worth value. The Free Software Economy suggests that it's better to provide _services_, for a fee. |
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| 11:13.27 | knivsta | like Rename files/cut/cp/mv/new folder etc? |
| 11:13.36 | garyDavid | knivsta: You mean the modal dialogue windows? |
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| 11:13.48 | garyDavid | You can actually do something about that in Gnome Tweak Tools. |
| 11:13.49 | knivsta | garyDavid, yep like Libreoffice - Open |
| 11:13.57 | garyDavid | You mean the window gets stuck? |
| 11:13.59 | Chocolate_Chip | You couldn't save things to the desktop normally, the "start menu" thing was bloated, it ran slow, the default color scheme was ugly, the KDE applications were crap |
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| 11:14.23 | knivsta | garyDavid, no I mean the whole system freezes on me, I think the Laptop HDD is dying its 8 yr old now |
| 11:14.32 | arahael | knivsta: Get a new HDD! |
| 11:14.35 | garyDavid | knivsta: Yeah those things die too man |
| 11:14.39 | garyDavid | Yeah get a new HDD |
| 11:14.55 | garyDavid | I think desktop is still better |
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| 11:15.08 | knivsta | arahael, garyDavid how do I check if my old laptop SATA disk is dying? |
| 11:15.15 | knivsta | it does freeze a lot these days |
| 11:15.15 | garyDavid | knivsta: I don't know |
| 11:15.23 | deepy | knivsta: check the disk and see if there's bad sectors |
| 11:15.27 | knivsta | Could it be because I put it inside a SATA-3 connector? |
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| 11:15.50 | deepy | knivsta: actually first things first, check the smart status |
| 11:16.54 | knivsta | deepy, overall test = Disk is OK, 8 bad sector found |
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| 11:18.14 | knivsta | deepy, What does Powered on status mean? |
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| 11:18.35 | deepy | Perhaps it is how long it has been turned on? |
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| 11:19.01 | knivsta | deepy, it says 1 year 3 months and 11 days? |
| 11:19.06 | knivsta | it is the total time? |
| 11:19.34 | knivsta | deepy, the self test is failing |
| 11:19.41 | knivsta | when I do an extended test |
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| 12:01.38 | Patero | hi in a debian guide for ati cards it says I need the firmware for radeon to obtain 3d aceleration is this true? |
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| 12:02.14 | Chocolate_Chip | You need the proper firmware to use 3D acceleration, yes |
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| 12:02.46 | Patero | Chocolate_Chip: ok but typing glxinfo | grep direct it says I do have 3d acceleration how is this possible |
| 12:02.59 | Patero | Chocolate_Chip: my kernel says I don't have the firmware |
| 12:03.00 | Chocolate_Chip | Glitch? |
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| 12:04.08 | Patero | Chocolate_Chip: how come |
| 12:04.30 | Chocolate_Chip | I don't know. If the kernel says you don't have the firmware installed, you probably don't |
| 12:04.55 | Chocolate_Chip | it could be utilizing a driver that is incorrect for your card, which is why it states you have the 3D acceleration |
| 12:05.00 | Chocolate_Chip | i'd just install the firmware |
| 12:05.16 | Patero | so how do I obtain the proper firmware |
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| 12:05.49 | Chocolate_Chip | search the web for the proper dirvers. See if they are in the debian repository. |
| 12:06.31 | Chocolate_Chip | if they are nonfree, do sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib nonfree to the end of the links |
| 12:06.32 | Patero | Chocolate_Chip: so I have to download the drivers too? I have the drivers that came with debian installed |
| 12:07.04 | Patero | Chocolate_Chip: I think I just need the firmare foles |
| 12:07.08 | Chocolate_Chip | Preform sudo apt-get update, and then do sudo apt-get install [package name] for the firmware package that you need |
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| 12:07.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Patero about radeon firmware |
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| 12:07.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Patero about non-free |
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| 12:14.40 | Patero | abrotman: hello |
| 12:14.49 | abrotman | Hi |
| 12:14.52 | rewired | Hi all |
| 12:14.56 | Patero | abrotman: how do I enable to nonfree component to download the firmware |
| 12:15.04 | abrotman | the bot told you |
| 12:15.05 | alkisg | Hi, I'm trying debian live and it showed a screensaver, how can I unlock it? It doesn't accept an empty password |
| 12:15.24 | tinyhippo | alkisg: 'live' |
| 12:15.24 | Patero | abrotman: let me check again |
| 12:15.32 | alkisg | thanks tinyhippo |
| 12:15.38 | tinyhippo | alkisg: presumably you're using openbox? |
| 12:15.44 | alkisg | tinyhippo: mate |
| 12:15.46 | rewired | guys i need help, is anyone knows the error tg3_stop_block timed out? |
| 12:15.57 | tinyhippo | alkisg: ok, I had the same thing on openbox, I'll open a bug |
| 12:16.20 | Patero | abrotman: found it |
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| 12:17.37 | petn-randall | rewired: The full log output and some context might help. |
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| 12:18.33 | rewired | sorry, i've been disconected, could you reapet please? |
| 12:18.46 | petn-randall | rewired: The full log output and some context might help. |
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| 12:19.26 | rewired | petn-randall |
| 12:19.26 | rewired | petn-randall: and where can i find this log? |
| 12:19.56 | petn-randall | anubis: Where did you find the error in the first place? |
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| 12:21.03 | petn-randall | Guest13539: Please stick to one nick so people can follow. |
| 12:21.29 | abrotman | or just quit ... |
| 12:21.35 | rz300 | petn-randall: sorry, i've been disconected again |
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| 12:23.56 | Patero | abrotman: |
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| 12:24.27 | lmaoayy | Is there any usable alternative to flashplayer for firefox? |
| 12:25.05 | Patero | abrotman: I was able to install firmware-linux-nonfree package however I got something curior at the end of the install I got like 20 lines saying the same thing this is what it said: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 12:25.44 | petn-randall | lmaoayy: You could try gnash, it works for most popular cases of Flash. |
| 12:25.48 | rz300 | guys i need help, is anyone knows the error tg3_stop_block timed out? |
| 12:25.51 | darxmurf | Patero: try apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 12:26.23 | petn-randall | rz300: Are you going to stay connected? |
| 12:26.26 | Patero | darxmurf: is it non free too? |
| 12:26.47 | darxmurf | yep |
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| 12:27.08 | rz300 | i think yes |
| 12:27.17 | Patero | darxmurf: thanks I'm gonna restartr |
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| 12:28.20 | rz300 | petn-randall: i think yes |
| 12:28.20 | lmaoayy | thanks petn-randall |
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| 12:32.05 | iveevue | Why is iceweasel kept back from upgrade? |
| 12:32.24 | Sorch | iveevue, try apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 12:36.12 | darxmurf | god, mixing symfony and CakePHP sucks |
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| 12:41.08 | petn-randall | rz300: Where did you find the error in the first place? |
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| 12:51.24 | knivsta | hey |
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| 12:51.34 | knivsta | I am getting black spots with the new Iceweasel |
| 12:51.40 | knivsta | when I hover the mouse over it? |
| 12:51.46 | knivsta | Anyone else having this issue? |
| 12:52.01 | Brigo | knivsta, what new iceweasel, what version? |
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| 12:52.19 | knivsta | 38.2? |
| 12:52.24 | knivsta | the new Iceweasel |
| 12:52.27 | knivsta | which is updated today |
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| 12:52.54 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
| 12:52.55 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-3; sid: 38.1.1esr-1; |
| 12:52.56 | judd | jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0.3-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 39.0.3-1 |
| 12:53.00 | Brigo | knivsta, oh, i am installing it now, let me check :) |
| 12:53.19 | petn-randall | knivsta: That's not the one shipped in stable. |
| 12:53.33 | knivsta | petn-randall, I am using Stable only |
| 12:53.50 | Brigo | is there a 39 in jessie backports? |
| 12:54.04 | knivsta | i don't know how it got installed |
| 12:54.04 | knivsta | When I did apt-get update |
| 12:54.04 | knivsta | apt-get upgrade |
| 12:54.05 | knivsta | it was just there |
| 12:54.05 | knivsta | someone else confirmed it |
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| 12:54.15 | Brigo | petn-randall, he is right i am downloading it just now. |
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| 12:54.41 | Brigo | Des:6 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main iceweasel amd64 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 [39,3 MB] |
| 12:54.48 | petn-randall | Brigo: From where? It's not in ... oh |
| 12:55.29 | knivsta | Youtube.com = Black spots but only in particular pages |
| 12:55.32 | knivsta | could be add ons |
| 12:55.44 | knivsta | I am using ublock and https everywhere |
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| 12:56.57 | Brigo | knivsta, paste some links, i will try. |
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| 12:57.17 | Dinosaurio | Hi. Is there a way to install KDE without mixing all applications between both gnome and KDE? |
| 12:57.35 | knivsta | Brigo, youtube.com open 2-3 videos and you might see it |
| 12:58.00 | knivsta | Brigo, See PM |
| 12:58.31 | knivsta | Open it and hover your mouse on the right hand size of the video player and up/down and see |
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| 13:00.00 | Brigo | knivsta, i see an add when i pass the mouse over the logo. |
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| 13:00.23 | knivsta | Brigo, you see an ad where? |
| 13:00.52 | knivsta | Brigo, hover your mouse on the right side of the video player, up/down and see it! |
| 13:00.59 | knivsta | if it don't happen then Addons is causing it |
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| 13:02.03 | Brigo | knivsta, it cuold be. I am using adblock and noscript. |
| 13:02.42 | SuperTramp83 | hi knivsta |
| 13:03.03 | knivsta | Brigo, so no black spots? you don't need HTML5 Videoe verywhere? |
| 13:03.56 | knivsta | Brigo, could you please try HTML5 Video everywhere? |
| 13:04.02 | knivsta | and see the same link; SuperTramp83 sup |
| 13:04.14 | Brigo | yes |
| 13:06.04 | knivsta | Brigo, PM? thanks |
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| 13:10.30 | maol4 | jelly you |
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| 13:13.25 | maol4 | jelly |
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| 13:15.57 | knivsta | Anyone here using KDE version of Jessie? |
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| 13:16.42 | Junka | which do you recommend using, apparmor or selinux? |
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| 13:17.14 | Dinosaurio | apparmor is easier to maintain, but selinux is safer |
| 13:17.16 | Patero | while trying to reconfigure my keyboard with dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configure something went wrong and I can't altf1 for window managment or altf4 to close windows works anymore what should I do? |
| 13:17.48 | Junka | Dinosaurio: safer in what aspect |
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| 13:19.06 | Dinosaurio | Junka: selinux rules are very complex, which allows you to have more control about processes |
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| 13:19.35 | Fyr | guys, one of the packages is too old. how do I kick the maintainer to make him compile the program? |
| 13:20.18 | Junka | Dinosaurio: if I use both of them, will they break my system? |
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| 13:20.32 | Dinosaurio | Junka: why would you need both? |
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| 13:21.07 | Dinosaurio | use apparmor in your pc, use selinux if you're configuring a server of an important bank or so |
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| 13:22.43 | Junka | Dinosaurio: as of Debian 8 none of them is default, which would Debian use |
| 13:23.37 | Brigo | Junka, Dinosaurio has already answered you. |
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| 13:24.37 | Junka | OK ty |
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| 13:25.48 | arushi_ | Hey guys! I am new to open source and would love to contribute. Can anyone guide me on how to start contributing? |
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| 13:26.10 | Fyr | =) |
| 13:26.12 | Junka | does installing the grsecurity patch mean that it patches the kernel automatically? I think I read somewhere that it doesn't do anything |
| 13:26.25 | maol4 | arushi_ why? |
| 13:26.36 | maol4 | arushi_ why want to contribute |
| 13:27.16 | Brigo | arushi_, https://www.debian.org/intro/help, https://wiki.debian.org/how-can-i-help |
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| 13:27.52 | arushi_ | Thank You :D |
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| 13:28.32 | garyDavid | How do I perform a root action for only specified apps then logout after in one line? |
| 13:28.35 | arushi_ | mao14_ I think that the best way to learn is by actually doing stuff. |
| 13:29.16 | maol4 | arushi_ you can 'do' personal projects |
| 13:30.30 | Tsutsukakushi | ï@_David: su -c ? |
| 13:30.39 | garyDavid | Tsutsukakushi: ? |
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| 13:31.51 | Tsutsukakushi | su -c "command" |
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| 13:34.28 | knivsta | Tsutsukakushi, sup |
| 13:34.39 | knivsta | Anyone here using KDE? |
| 13:34.41 | Tsutsukakushi | knivsta: :o do we know each other? |
| 13:34.56 | knivsta | Tsutsukakushi, hehe no unless we both are into pretty girls :) |
| 13:34.57 | knivsta | I kid |
| 13:35.17 | Tsutsukakushi | :o |
| 13:35.23 | Tsutsukakushi | you prettygirls? |
| 13:35.28 | knivsta | What? |
| 13:35.31 | knivsta | Don't be a sexist |
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| 13:36.50 | Tsutsukakushi | knivsta: no, only into prett |
| 13:36.57 | Tsutsukakushi | pretty **little** girls |
| 13:37.17 | knivsta | Tsutsukakushi, lol |
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| 13:42.23 | JyZyXEL | what is the difference between "stable-proposed-updates", "stable-updates" from ftp.debian.org and "stable/updates" from security.debian.org? |
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| 13:46.04 | Raknarok | hi, i want to build my own little router, with debian. is 2 gb flash, 256 mb ram and 400 mhz enough for a simple routing with 2x rj45 ? |
| 13:46.07 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:46.24 | Posterdati | is there any hope to have clisp in the jessie repository one day? |
| 13:46.42 | themill | JyZyXEL: you can ask dpkg about each of those suites |
| 13:47.46 | JyZyXEL | Raknarok: even wrist watches are more powerful than that thing |
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| 13:51.50 | garyDavid | What does system-wide installation mean? |
| 13:52.56 | OerHeks | garyDavid, for all users and services |
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| 13:53.22 | garyDavid | Ah |
| 13:53.34 | garyDavid | I think it's like being installed like a Windows program right? |
| 13:53.45 | garyDavid | Where it feels like it's one with the system. |
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| 13:56.58 | garyDavid | Is a system-wide installation's advantage is to be updated too when the system does an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
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| 13:57.41 | garyDavid | OerHeks: Hey you there? |
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| 14:01.18 | OerHeks | garyDavid, if a package/service is available for all users, systemwide, yes, it gets updated for all users too |
| 14:01.32 | garyDavid | Ah |
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| 14:01.53 | garyDavid | I think it's a good idea to have this app system-wide installed then :) |
| 14:02.01 | garyDavid | So it get's update with the host system. |
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| 14:06.55 | Patero | this is a copyof my keyboard config at /etc/default/keyboard http://paste.debian.net/291650/ |
| 14:07.06 | Patero | I can't altf1 or altf4 anymore it doesn't work |
| 14:07.21 | Patero | or such combinations |
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| 14:26.18 | cusco | hi folks |
| 14:26.28 | cusco | we have 2 different machines with bind9 |
| 14:26.44 | cusco | and a couple of debian servers, using these machines as dns nameservers |
| 14:27.05 | cusco | now if for some reason bind starts to work fnky in 1st dns server |
| 14:27.21 | cusco | debian will hang in there before changing to the second and attempt resolution |
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| 14:27.33 | cusco | how dows one shorts this changing time? |
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| 14:28.06 | ChrisH | cusco: make sure DNS is stopped on server1 |
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| 14:28.34 | cusco | ChrisH: but what if I can't make sure |
| 14:28.50 | cusco | windows dns clients will use the 2nd DNS really fast |
| 14:28.57 | cusco | I wished that debian would do that too |
| 14:29.20 | jelly | cusco: do you use these bind9 installs as authoritative DNSes, or as recursors, or both? |
| 14:29.27 | cusco | both |
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| 14:29.33 | eeoo | cusco: right, the alternative dns servers are used after several tries to reach the primary dns server |
| 14:29.48 | cusco | eeoo: is there somehow to set a timeout? |
| 14:29.56 | cusco | so it changes quickly to the second one? |
| 14:30.02 | jelly | cusco: man resolv.conf, read about timeout and rotate and other (non-default) options |
| 14:30.10 | cusco | k thanks |
| 14:30.54 | jelly | timeout, attempts and maybe rotate is what seems useful |
| 14:30.56 | ChrisH | cusco: you might want to check these bind9 systems, too |
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| 14:36.28 | maol4 | jelly you |
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| 14:40.58 | eeoo | a dhcp server may set the dhcp server anew after health checks? |
| 14:40.59 | eeoo | hmm |
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| 14:44.14 | karlpinc | I'm thinking of switching from bind to unbound and nsd. Any thoughts regards this? |
| 14:44.47 | phy1729 | karlpinc: the configs are very similar so it's not like learning two new daemons |
| 14:45.22 | phy1729 | I've liked unbound and nsd, and the guy I know who worked at route53 raved about unbound and nsd |
| 14:45.33 | karlpinc | Unbound and nsd seem a little more straight forward to setup key authentication stuff. |
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| 14:47.32 | babilen | unbound++ |
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| 14:47.46 | jelly | pdns-recursor ftw |
| 14:47.47 | karlpinc | One of these days I'm going to leap into that and it seemed a good idea to reconsider the daemon when I do. |
| 14:48.06 | jelly | wait, is unbound auth or recursor |
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| 14:48.23 | darxmurf | beer time ! see you ! |
| 14:48.41 | phy1729 | nsd is auth, unbound recurse |
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| 14:55.49 | TomyWork | throws StackOverflowException |
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| 14:59.44 | jelly | is there an easy way to noninteractively create a couple normal unix accounts, with passwords, noninteractively? |
| 15:00.34 | jelly | on... jessie. chpasswd can be used to set passwords but I'm also looking for user creation. |
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| 15:00.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was going to suggest something idiotic like writing to /etc/passwd yourself :P |
| 15:01.20 | mullein | jelly: adduser will get you most of the way but it prompts for stuff |
| 15:01.24 | centrx | yeah, ed is non-interactive |
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| 15:01.32 | jelly | !slap centrx |
| 15:01.33 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across centrx's face |
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| 15:01.43 | mullein | you could script it using expect to feed it the answers (gecos fields, password) |
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| 15:02.14 | jelly | I'm not asking for an ad-hoc expect horribleness, but something that exists already. |
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| 15:03.15 | mullein | jelly: man newusers |
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| 15:03.55 | jelly | mullein: that seems nice, thanks |
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| 15:05.00 | beastwick987 | Is the WOL functionality still not in the ALX driver in the current Jessie kernel? |
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| 15:06.50 | mullein | has anyone here installed the debian package of phpbb3 on jessie? i can't tell if my install problems are pebkac or in the package |
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| 15:06.58 | phy1729 | I thought adduser was just a prompting frontent for useradd (may have swapped those) and useradd is plenty scriptable |
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| 15:08.41 | mullein | phy1729: adduser is a frontend to useradd, but there are concerns in useradd man page about passing password in as a cmd line arg; hopefully newusers would secure that |
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| 15:09.16 | mullein | if jelly only wanted to prefill the gecos fields i think it would be trivial with useradd |
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| 15:10.03 | jelly | that was plan b |
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| 15:16.08 | sillysausage | i have a question, regarding networking, it's not specific to debian though, is it okay to ask in here? |
| 15:16.38 | sillysausage | there isn't exactly an iproute irc channel :P |
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| 15:17.19 | sillysausage | I'm trying to create a LAN-only subnet (null routed to internet), but accessable from either 192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.2.0/24 or 192.168.3.0/24. I created a third table called LAN in rt_tables and added these routes to that table https://dpaste.de/kB9n as this LAN table doesn't route out to the internet in any way. |
| 15:17.39 | sillysausage | I am unsure what I'd use for a default route in that situation in the past (ISP and VPN table) it was my ppp0 or tun0 address. fwmark 0x3 is certainly working (chain 2-3) https://dpaste.de/pzjq those are my rules basically FORWARD for that range is allowed, but no MASQUERADE to any interface. |
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| 15:18.03 | sillysausage | when I tried to pick 192.168.2.20 from 192.168.3.25 i saw this: From 192.168.3.1: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 192.168.2.20) |
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| 15:19.47 | sillysausage | the reason i thought i might ask in here is it's likely some debian users run debian-based routers :) |
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| 15:20.59 | Patero | what is the debian paste bin website again? |
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| 15:21.06 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:21.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:22.44 | sillysausage | someone is using paste.debian.net for spam |
| 15:22.53 | sillysausage | if you look at the recent posts |
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| 15:24.25 | Patero | HEllo I have a problem depicted in the following post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124096 |
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| 15:29.58 | arahael | sillysausage: Then don't look at the spam. :) |
| 15:30.22 | sillysausage | it was more for interest sake :P |
| 15:30.35 | arahael | sillysausage: Paste sites are literally just something you paste into, and then send the url. Spammers using pastebins are wasting their time. |
| 15:30.54 | sillysausage | yeah i just thought it interesting they all had "human names" |
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| 15:31.05 | arahael | sillysausage: Easy to make. :) |
| 15:31.12 | sillysausage | then i noticed it was the same string, like a bot is using it for some purpose |
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| 15:36.09 | welikedebian | How long has it been since Debian was last updated? |
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| 15:37.19 | arahael | welikedebian: What kid of question is that? The most basic of research can answer that. |
| 15:37.22 | lilwiz | Hi, is it possible to install Debian on a USB-stick and make it bootable and persistent (basically acting as your main hard drive)? |
| 15:37.41 | centrx | welikedebian, Depending on what you mean, today |
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| 15:37.54 | welikedebian | Live CD's cannot be persistent hard drives |
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| 15:38.24 | aruna | welikedebian: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 15:38.28 | arahael | welikedebian: Possibly why he's considering a usbstick. |
| 15:38.47 | arahael | lilwiz: Yes, depending on the BIOS support. |
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| 15:39.01 | lilwiz | Yeah, I'd like to "convert" a USB-stick into the main drive of debian as the laptops HDD has crashed. I runs live-cds and USB just fine. |
| 15:39.11 | lilwiz | arahael, alright, what do I need to look for? |
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| 15:39.45 | welikedebian | Possibly some HDD clining software |
| 15:39.54 | welikedebian | cloning |
| 15:39.56 | aruna | welikedebian: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:39.57 | arahael | lilwiz: Well, the bios support. :) You'll have better luck with an external HDD, but some systems can treat the usb as a hdd. |
| 15:40.12 | arahael | lilwiz: Though frankly, I'd just replace the laptop hdd. |
| 15:40.17 | welikedebian | He shall get an external HDD |
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| 15:40.41 | welikedebian | Are you guys aware of this:http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/debian-8-linuxs-most-reliable-distro-makes-its-biggest-change-since-1993/ |
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| 15:40.53 | lilwiz | arahael, I wish it was that easy. The SSD is an ASUS SSD meaning it's not standard and expensive. I'd need a converter just to install a regular M.2 SSD. |
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| 15:41.13 | SolarNRG | lilwiz, things you can use dead hard drives for: fridge magnets, magnetic stirrers, robot wheels, |
| 15:41.16 | SolarNRG | oh its a ssd |
| 15:41.17 | SolarNRG | :( |
| 15:41.20 | lilwiz | :( |
| 15:41.33 | arahael | lilwiz: An eMMC, or an SSD? |
| 15:41.34 | SolarNRG | they tend to die quicker than magnetic |
| 15:41.47 | SolarNRG | but they do have faster read-write than all but the top end scsi |
| 15:41.57 | welikedebian | Why would you need sn SSD in Linux if it does not need to be defragmented? |
| 15:41.58 | lilwiz | Can I post a link here? |
| 15:42.04 | zinx | quicker? maybe, maybe not. more spectacularly and completely? absolutely. |
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| 15:42.51 | lilwiz | The SSD is not a normal "format" but similar to Macbooks, but made for ASUS Laptops, looks like this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/sandisk-in-case-jpg.96574/ |
| 15:42.58 | banjo | iceweasel 38 is not compatible with pentadactyl 1.1... #785300, now what. have i to wait 1,5 years to use pentadactyl again!? |
| 15:43.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785300 in xul-ext-pentadactyl (closed, confirmed): «xul-ext-pentadactyl: pentadactyl not compatible with iceweasel 38.0-1»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-05-14; last modified: 2015-05-19. |
| 15:43.34 | arahael | lilwiz: So, a regular SSD but with non-standard firmware? :( |
| 15:43.52 | lilwiz | arahael, I'd say the connectors are different, but other than that, yes |
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| 15:43.58 | arahael | lilwiz: Ah, right. |
| 15:44.06 | zinx | lilwiz: can't view but there's mSATA that looks vaguely like ram, and it's a standard form factor |
| 15:44.08 | welikedebian | No, you should use an SSD that came directly from the manufactuer |
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| 15:44.29 | lilwiz | zinx, yeah they are M.2's right? This has a different connector. |
| 15:44.49 | welikedebian | Debian 8:http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/debian-8-linuxs-most-reliable-distro-makes-its-biggest-change-since-1993/ |
| 15:44.52 | shay_shay | banjo: you can upgrade iceweasel... |
| 15:44.59 | shay_shay | !iceweasel backports |
| 15:45.00 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 15:45.05 | kalebo | banjo: can you use the nightly version of 'dacytal? |
| 15:45.15 | welikedebian | sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
| 15:45.23 | lilwiz | Anyway, the SSD is busted. So if possible I'd like to install Debian on a USB-stick and make it into a bootable storage device, but I take it from you guys that it's not possible? |
| 15:45.39 | welikedebian | Correct |
| 15:45.42 | banjo | shay_shay: thats the problem. ive upgraded now from 31 to 38 |
| 15:45.43 | arahael | lilwiz: Is definitely possible, I ran my system on a USB like that. |
| 15:46.02 | samiux | as kali 2.0 is based on debian 8 and it produces "systemctl: double free or corruption (fasttop)" error when installing/uninstalling guest additions cd. |
| 15:46.03 | samiux | dmesg message ---> systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit vboxadd-service.service, ignoring: Unit vboxadd-service.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 15:46.03 | samiux | #vbox-dev asks me to report to here. |
| 15:46.13 | shay_shay | ,v iceweasel |
| 15:46.14 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.1.0esr-3; sid: 38.1.1esr-1; |
| 15:46.14 | lilwiz | Hmm.. Mixed answers. arahael, mind telling me how you did it? |
| 15:46.16 | judd | jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 39.0.3-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 39.0.3-1 |
| 15:46.21 | arahael | lilwiz: But, you're at the mercy of BIOS support. For instance, I was unable to boot off the USB if I had a USB HDD plugged in as well. |
| 15:46.31 | banjo | kalebo: i want to avoid this. the debian package was always stable in reference to the comments in nightly version |
| 15:46.38 | arahael | lilwiz: I literally just installed it to /dev/sda, which was the usb stick in my case. |
| 15:46.38 | welikedebian | This channel has nothing to do with virtualbox |
| 15:47.18 | arahael | banjo: Stable often means "does not change" |
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| 15:47.27 | lilwiz | arahael, if I get a live-cd going with Debian, can I from the live-cd, plug in another USB-stick, format it and partition it, then choose it as the place I want to install Debian on? |
| 15:47.30 | samiux | welikedebian, but it is systemd error |
| 15:47.49 | lilwiz | arahael, Yeah I think I'll try that :) |
| 15:47.52 | welikedebian | Then reinstall it |
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| 15:48.02 | lilwiz | Worst case I've spent a few hours learning something ;) |
| 15:48.02 | samiux | welikedebian, "systemctl: double free or corruption (fasttop)" |
| 15:48.12 | arahael | lilwiz: Should be doable, yes. Just give it a go, install the most minimal debian, check if it boots... If it does, then go set it up! |
| 15:48.42 | welikedebian | Debian is mnimal |
| 15:48.44 | zinx | lilwiz: mSATA and M.2 are different things |
| 15:48.46 | welikedebian | minimal |
| 15:48.47 | arahael | lilwiz: I hope it's USB3 though, otherwise it's a bit slow. :) |
| 15:48.51 | banjo | shay_shay: judd is behind. rmadisons output : iceweasel | 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1 | jessie-security | source, amd64, i386 |
| 15:48.55 | lilwiz | arahael, Yes USB 3.0 :) |
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| 15:49.19 | arahael | lilwiz: :) |
| 15:49.21 | lilwiz | Also, investing in a faster USB-stick, PQI i-mini 32GB, 90MB/s read and 60MB/s write. |
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| 15:49.26 | samiux | it is very interesting that #debian is not very helpful in bug tracking |
| 15:49.29 | arahael | Nice. |
| 15:49.29 | lilwiz | Should be decent enough I think |
| 15:49.34 | banjo | arahael: right. but iceweasel is changeing because of mozillas upgrade policy |
| 15:49.45 | arahael | banjo: There you go. :) |
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| 15:51.33 | banjo | but now what? xul-ext-pentadactyl 1.2 is in testing. 1.1 in stable. iceweasel 38 now in stable too. what with pentadactyl 1.2. because of debians upgrade policy it will not come to stable....maybe, just maybe to backports |
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| 15:53.34 | arahael | banjo: You might be able to backport it yourself, though I haven't tried with anything related to mozilla. |
| 15:54.00 | Pinchiukas | Why does xorg-server depend on libwayland-server0? Does xorg include wayland now? |
| 15:54.12 | banjo | arahael: might be...;) i like to use official packages |
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| 15:55.17 | banjo | the web side of life of debian is now broken for me |
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| 15:57.39 | arahael | banjo: I'm just sad that websites are slow. :( It's insane how many resources the pages pull in, including MB's of javascript. |
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| 15:58.59 | banjo | arahael: ok but thats a thing you cant do much bout this. but the usability of my browser is for me now gone |
| 15:59.43 | banjo | i use noscript and request-policy and my hosts file to block much shit |
| 15:59.59 | arahael | banjo: It's a constant battle. :/ |
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| 16:00.13 | montreal | Hi, guys! |
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| 16:01.33 | banjo | arahael: pentadactyl is the only thing why im still with iceweasel+the point that other browsers have shit bookmarks-system |
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| 16:02.13 | montreal | somewhy can't install a package on Debian/Stable |
| 16:02.14 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/db6ce745d6955b97fa5f |
| 16:02.56 | ChrisH | ,v Pmw |
| 16:02.57 | judd | No package named 'Pmw' was found in amd64. |
| 16:03.00 | arahael | banjo: I gave up on bookmarks a long time ago. :/ |
| 16:03.05 | garyDavid | https://blog.torproject.org/blog/hidden-service-hackfest-arlington-accords |
| 16:03.11 | ChrisH | ,v python-pmw |
| 16:03.12 | judd | Package: python-pmw on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.2-5; jessie: 1.3.2-6; sid: 1.3.2-6; wheezy: 1.3.2-6; stretch: 1.3.2-6 |
| 16:03.13 | garyDavid | How did you guys find Ricochet? |
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| 16:03.23 | banjo | arahael: why? |
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| 16:04.28 | arahael | banjo: I just keep the tabs open, and don't close them. ;) Then if I need them back, I google for it again. |
| 16:04.52 | ChrisH | montreal: did you run apt-get update ; apt-get install python-pmw ; if it still fails show us the full output incl. the commands |
| 16:06.50 | banjo | arahael: ok if you have enouph resources.....but let me say its stupid if you have the option to structure your bookmarksystem by your own...or dont sctructure it. save everything in the main folder. its the same like having tabs open. but iceweasel goes faster |
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| 16:08.12 | montreal | ChrisH, same |
| 16:08.13 | arahael | banjo: Fair enough. :) |
| 16:08.14 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/7cd23fe650928eee09e2 |
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| 16:09.57 | __adam__ | Hi! |
| 16:10.22 | __adam__ | May i ask, how could i install KDE-Plasma on a flawless way to debian 8? |
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| 16:12.06 | __adam__ | I ment to the 5.+ |
| 16:12.28 | __adam__ | And sid messed up my system |
| 16:12.40 | __adam__ | So if any suggestions |
| 16:12.46 | ChrisH | !enter |
| 16:12.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:13.02 | Brigo | ,v kde-full |
| 16:13.03 | judd | Package: kde-full on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:88; sid: 5:88 |
| 16:13.18 | ChrisH | montreal: packages.linuxmint.com <-- does not look like Debian |
| 16:13.45 | montreal | ChrisH, that's for firefox only |
| 16:13.46 | Brigo | __adam__, install kde-full or kde-plasma-desktop |
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| 16:14.05 | ChrisH | montreal: what does apt-get install -f show? |
| 16:14.13 | Brigo | montreal, it can be enought. |
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| 16:16.18 | montreal | ChrisH, looks like success |
| 16:16.19 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/890eeb5f7c23fdd0c5e1 |
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| 16:18.45 | ChrisH | montreal: and that was recommended in your inital paste (and the second!) |
| 16:20.07 | __adam__ | judd, these are installing 4.14 (4:4.14.2-1) packages, and i would like the 4:5.3.2-2 |
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| 16:23.24 | __adam__ | or any above 4:5.+ |
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| 16:24.11 | montreal | ChrisH, thanks for help |
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| 16:26.50 | snowkidind | Has anyone had experience with debian sendmail verizon |
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| 16:27.03 | snowkidind | using stunnel |
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| 16:38.52 | snowkidind | Has anyone had experience with debian sendmail -> stunnel -> smtp.verizon.net (port 25 blocked) |
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| 16:41.14 | ChrisH | snowkidind: I moved from sendmail to exim 2 debian releases ago. and AFAIK is sendmail TLS capable |
| 16:41.33 | snowkidind | exim eh |
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| 16:41.58 | PcMasterRace | sup room? |
| 16:42.07 | snowkidind | would you tunnel that the same way as sendmail? |
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| 16:43.00 | ChrisH | snowkidind: just tell exim to use TLS port. On what port is your provider's MTA listening? |
| 16:43.20 | petn-randall | snowkidind: You should only use stunnel if you must use obsolete software that doesn't provide SSL/TLS. exim4 can do that, use the native version. |
| 16:43.38 | snowkidind | 465 |
| 16:43.43 | snowkidind | this sounds promising |
| 16:43.58 | snowkidind | is it on jessie? |
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| 16:44.55 | snowkidind | nm |
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| 16:48.02 | ChrisH | snowkidind: sure |
| 16:48.24 | ChrisH | snowkidind: config hint: Most probably you need type satelite |
| 16:48.36 | snowkidind | been there |
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| 16:53.08 | banjo | the best solution i can come up with is to download the testing deb of pentadactyl and install it manually with dpkg. because it just has iceveasel>31 as dependency it should work fine i think. but should i remove first pentadactyl with apt before installing with dpkg or not? |
| 16:53.15 | petn-randall | snowkidind: What kind of mail are you sending to smtp.verizon.net? There is port 587 for submission, granted you have an account there. |
| 16:53.23 | WormFood | Why does the debian bug tracker expose people's email addresses? Wouldn't that discourage people from reporting bugs? |
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| 16:53.41 | petn-randall | snowkidind: Sending e-mail there for forwarding will simply be blocked, due to so much spam coming from private address ranges. |
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| 16:53.56 | snowkidind | been unable to connect on 587, 465 works |
| 16:54.53 | snowkidind | open source culture wormy |
| 16:55.11 | Dan34 | hi I am trying to upgrade flash om jessie with Konsole Terminal with the cpommand: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install but doesn't work someone knows how to do? |
| 16:55.44 | WormFood | open source culture caters to spam harvesters? |
| 16:56.11 | snowkidind | haha sorry i was being facetious |
| 16:56.23 | WormFood | ah. |
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| 16:56.56 | snowkidind | yea with exim i am not even getting past apt-get |
| 16:57.28 | WormFood | I figured out how to not expose my email with github, but was really surprised to see email address on pages, without any type of anti-spam protection. |
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| 16:59.33 | arahael | maik: The only product I seem to be able to find, regarding the DB question I had earlier, seems to be filemaker. |
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| 17:04.23 | Dan34 | update-flashplugin-nonfree --install HOW TO UPDATE THIS??????????? thanks! |
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| 17:05.02 | arahael | Dan34: Last I heard, you had to somehow grab it from chrome. |
| 17:05.14 | Dan34 | doesnt work on this jessie |
| 17:05.22 | arahael | Dan34: As that's the only maintained version of flash outside of windows. |
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| 17:06.01 | arahael | Dan34: it's fantastic, hopefully it means that the product dies sooner. :) Unless it establishes chrome as a monopoly browser. |
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| 17:07.25 | premoboss | hi dudes, i need to donwload the 1st cd iso ow wheezy i386, but on debina.org i find only iso/torrent for 8.x... wher can i find? |
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| 17:07.50 | Dan34 | but till few days ago i always have updates that with that command. now it doesn't work anymore? on adobe I have read is available the 11.2.202.508 and I have the 11,2,202,491 installed |
| 17:07.50 | arahael | premoboss: Use the mirrors. |
| 17:08.14 | arahael | Dan34: For windows, perhaps, and/or chrome. |
| 17:08.28 | Dan34 | nope it is for Linux |
| 17:08.44 | Dan34 | Linux Mozilla, Firefox - NPAPI (Extended Support Release) 11.2.202.508 |
| 17:09.19 | arahael | Dan34: Sorry I take it back, what I've been saying has clearly been wrong. :) |
| 17:09.35 | premoboss | arahael, do you mena these? http://mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au/debian-cd/ only 8.1 there is inside. |
| 17:09.45 | Dan34 | ok |
| 17:10.14 | arahael | premoboss: Try a different mirror, then? |
| 17:10.34 | premoboss | fir donzen nothing.. |
| 17:10.42 | premoboss | ah i fount her http://debian.carnet.hr/debian-cd/7.8.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:10.45 | premoboss | good |
| 17:10.46 | premoboss | thanks |
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| 17:10.51 | Dan34 | is it possible that Konsole Terminal does not update the pakage as normally gnome terminal does? |
| 17:10.51 | holiday | I'm about to install Debian on a Dell XPS 13 with the standard.iso. I've read that I need a proprietary wifi driver, but how can I install it without an internet connection? What files will I have to manually move via USB? |
| 17:11.16 | Dan34 | because now I am using KDE from few days |
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| 17:18.08 | moss | Hello. Is there any documentation written on how to install vpopmail on debian? |
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| 17:18.36 | moss | To work with dovecot, I should add. |
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| 17:20.16 | holiday | Does anyone know how much data will be used if I tether my phone to my laptop via USB while installing Debian with the standard.iso? |
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| 17:20.43 | greycat | That depends entirely on which packages you install that are not on that image. |
| 17:21.43 | adabo | Where can I find syntax for hotkeys in .conf files? For example, I learned C-a = Ctrl+a. Where can I find the rest of the special keys and modifiers? |
| 17:21.49 | greycat | (And also on how far behind that image is compared to the current security updates.) |
| 17:21.57 | r6ku | holiday: there are images that come with non-free firmware included http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 17:22.03 | greycat | adabo: it depends on the application and the config file. |
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| 17:22.37 | adabo | Ok, tmux, for example. I just assumed it was the same as others since I saw C-a, similar to vim and others. |
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| 17:22.51 | greycat | No, there is no consistency across applications. |
| 17:23.02 | adabo | Ok. |
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| 17:23.33 | greycat | If anything, I think the ^A notation for ctrl keys is more common than the C-a notation. |
| 17:24.14 | phy1729 | C-a is mostly a vim thing |
| 17:24.25 | greycat | readline uses that also |
| 17:24.44 | greycat | well, actually readline uses things like "\C-f" |
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| 17:26.14 | holiday | r6ku: It seems that they are all "netinst." I don't have an internet connection, and I thought you needed one for netinst. |
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| 17:30.12 | holiday | r6ku: nevermind I found out, thank you |
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| 17:34.59 | adabo | I used xmodmap to swap capslock & Esc. The setting is lost upon reboot. Is there a permanent solution to this in debian? |
| 17:35.44 | greycat | Arrange for that xmodmap command to be executed when you login or stsart X. |
| 17:36.11 | greycat | I use console login and startx, and I put my session commands in ~/.xsession and I'm happy. |
| 17:36.42 | adabo | greycat: Is .xsession a file or dir? |
| 17:36.57 | greycat | It is a file that startx uses. |
| 17:37.08 | greycat | If you don't run startx, you don't get to use it. *dm is a world of hurt. |
| 17:37.23 | adabo | Ok, looks like I have to creat it. I only have .xsession-errors and .xsession-errors.old |
| 17:37.56 | adabo | When I start debian from grub, it goes straight to login prompt |
| 17:37.56 | greycat | We can short-circuit a lot of back and forth guessing if you just tell us how you login and how you start X. |
| 17:38.06 | adabo | for desktop environment |
| 17:38.10 | greycat | Console login or one of the dm? Which one? |
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| 17:38.40 | adabo | I'm not sure what dm is. But Its not console. It's a window. |
| 17:38.50 | greycat | GNOME? KDE? XFCE? LXDE? |
| 17:38.54 | adabo | The wm is cinnamon. |
| 17:39.13 | adabo | I don't know what login it's using. I honestly don't. |
| 17:39.50 | adabo | I guess, I could take a picture with my phone. |
| 17:39.51 | Brigo | adabo, lightdm, i guess, as i told you to install it :) |
| 17:40.06 | adabo | Brigo: Maybe! :D |
| 17:40.09 | adabo | o/ Brigo |
| 17:40.16 | Brigo | sorry, i have to go :) |
| 17:40.17 | greycat | "systemctl status lightdm" maybe? |
| 17:40.23 | adabo | Cya, Brigo |
| 17:40.31 | Brigo | adabo, byes. |
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| 17:41.15 | adabo | greycat: Yeah, I see it's green active (running) |
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| 17:41.53 | greycat | Then we just have to figure out how to configure a login session launched through lightdm. |
| 17:42.21 | adabo | I see. Is it more trouble than it's worth or is it the only way to permanently swap the keys? |
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| 17:44.52 | greycat | http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins says the file is ~/.dmrc |
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| 17:45.00 | greycat | that was the third page I read to try to find it, so... |
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| 17:46.18 | adabo | greycat: Though I appreciate the work, I regret that I should have done it. Then again, I wouldn't know what to look for, so thank you :) |
| 17:46.55 | x86iac | how can viewing a pdf affect the 'look' fonts of other apps? |
| 17:47.17 | greycat | I just googled things until I got a fucking straight answer, or at least part of one. It's maddening. |
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| 17:48.11 | adabo | greycat: Maddening is quite the apt decscription. Bless your heart ._. |
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| 17:48.26 | greycat | First two pages I got were all full of /usr/share/this and /etc/that and I'm like *no*, where is the PER-USER config? |
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| 17:52.10 | holiday | Memory wise. Is installing Debian with the standard.iso and installing a non-free wireless drvier via USB the same as installing with the non-free image? |
| 17:52.35 | greycat | If the end set of packages is the same, yes. |
| 17:52.55 | greycat | It's like asking whether 2+3 is the same as 3+2. |
| 17:54.22 | holiday | greycat: I want to make sure because I'm not sure if the non-free image installs other non-free packages that I don't need. The only non-free package I need is the wireless driver, so would the non-free image work out of the box? |
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| 17:55.10 | greycat | In order to answer that, someone would have to install with both of those images and compare the resulting package lists. |
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| 17:59.38 | holiday | I've read that people have trouble when installing with a netinst.iso. They say the netinst is barebone Debian and you end up having to manually install a lot of dependencies and other packages to get other programs to work. Is this true? Isn't standard.iso the same as netinst? |
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| 18:00.02 | Wulf | hi |
| 18:00.07 | greycat | I literally have no idea what "standard.iso" is. I always do netinst. |
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| 18:00.41 | holiday | greycat: Do you have any problems with netinst? |
| 18:00.49 | Wulf | Is it possible to tell apt-get to install all dependencies of a given .deb file, without first trying to install the .deb file? |
| 18:00.58 | greycat | Obviously not, or I wouldn't continue doing it. But I don't do laptops, I don't do wifi. |
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| 18:01.20 | greycat | Wulf: apt-get --download-only install foobar |
| 18:01.42 | greycat | Wulf: though you may need additional steps to actually install the dependency debs |
| 18:01.50 | r6ku | holiday: no, netinst lets you pick what to install and downloads updated packages, standard is barebones |
| 18:01.53 | mtn | holiday, that is not true. the netinstall works fine |
| 18:01.58 | Wulf | greycat: I believe you misunderstood me |
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| 18:02.24 | centrx | Wulf, What are you really trying to do? |
| 18:02.27 | greycat | Wulf: oh, you already *HAVE* the .deb file? Just "dpkg -i" it, and then "apt-get -f install" to fix the missing deps. |
| 18:02.34 | Wulf | greycat: the "normal" way is: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install". I want to do it the other way round |
| 18:02.41 | greycat | Why? |
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| 18:03.03 | Wulf | dpkg -i fails, the program that runs it expects a 0 exit code |
| 18:03.03 | dpkg | installs fails, the program that runs it expects a 0 exit code into wulf's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 18:03.06 | Wulf | I could workaround, sure |
| 18:03.10 | greycat | So? |
| 18:03.27 | greycat | The program running it should be bash, and it should be you typing it on a keyboard. |
| 18:03.52 | Wulf | greycat: It's a docker script |
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| 18:03.55 | greycat | If you're writing a shell script to do it, your script can ignore the dpkg error. |
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| 18:04.01 | greycat | *facedesk* |
| 18:04.11 | holiday | r6ku: But the netinst non-free comes with the wire-less I need WITHOUT wifi right? |
| 18:04.13 | greycat | /msg greybot b29 |
| 18:04.42 | Wulf | greycat: don't damage your desk, suggest a better solution instead ;) |
| 18:04.52 | greycat | STOP DOING WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING |
| 18:04.55 | greycat | There. That's my solution. |
| 18:05.04 | Wulf | okay. Leaving IRC now. |
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| 18:05.30 | greenman | So, when you do an apt-get update and get Connection refused, how do you fix that? |
| 18:05.36 | holiday | r6ku: wireless driver* not wire-less |
| 18:05.37 | r6ku | holiday: it comes with firmware for wireless cards, there's also a live desktop image with non-free firmware |
| 18:05.40 | greenman | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (128.61.240.89). - connect (111: Connection refused) [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
| 18:05.53 | greycat | greenman: wait a moment and try again, or select a different mirror |
| 18:06.44 | drzed | i've got a strange nfs problem: after mounting the nfs directory it is empty and owned by a very strange uid (4294967294) |
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| 18:07.14 | drzed | i get no error messages at all, any suggestions how to debug this? |
| 18:07.28 | mullein | drzed: http://serverfault.com/questions/98741/files-mounted-over-nfsv4-are-owned-by-4294967294-uids-and-gids-match |
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| 18:08.35 | holiday | r6ku: Alright, I will install Debian with that non-free.iso. I have a problem though, after a reboot I should be met with a CLI, but how would I be able to connect to the wifi afterwards? |
| 18:08.43 | drzed | mullein: thx, i already manually set Domain = $MYDOMAIN in idmap.conf on the server and the client |
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| 18:08.45 | RoyK | mullein: works with vers=3 too |
| 18:09.04 | RoyK | albeit a bit redneck method |
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| 18:09.13 | greenman | greycat: different mirror, still connection refused |
| 18:09.19 | drzed | and also increased the verbosity |
| 18:09.28 | greenman | the wierd thing is security.debian.org works just fine... |
| 18:09.43 | drzed | the log syslog then states the correct domain but still no sucess |
| 18:10.08 | greycat | greenman: 128.61.240.89 port 80 accepts connections from me. |
| 18:10.10 | dontknow | iceweasel updated to 38. don't forget to set about:config for privacy |
| 18:10.18 | mullein | RoyK: i was thinking -o vers=3 from the top answer on the linked page, basically same as you |
| 18:10.35 | drzed | mullein: also setting NEED_IDMAP to yes does not help |
| 18:11.17 | drzed | NFS3 is unfortunately not an option for me |
| 18:11.23 | RoyK | why is that? |
| 18:11.39 | ChrisH | drzed: unless you need idmapping, use NFS v3 and save lots of pain |
| 18:11.58 | RoyK | nfs3 sucks on high-latency links, though |
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| 18:12.21 | ChrisH | RoyK: NFS is a protocol for LAN not WAN |
| 18:12.28 | greenman | greycat: yeah, it doesn't make any sense |
| 18:12.35 | RoyK | ChrisH: nfs4 works well over wan |
| 18:12.42 | greenman | when I telnet to port 80 on that address I get connection refused |
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| 18:12.54 | RoyK | greenman: some firewall in the way? |
| 18:12.56 | greenman | When I ssh to port 80 on security.debian.org, it works |
| 18:12.57 | greycat | greenman: sounds like you're behind some kind of firewall that's blocking you |
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| 18:13.03 | drzed | ChrisH: ACLs |
| 18:13.14 | ChrisH | RoyK: I personally did never see NFS V4 work well anywhere. |
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| 18:13.20 | dontknow | iceweasel 38 comes with firefox hello. don't forget to disable it |
| 18:13.35 | dontknow | alert |
| 18:13.40 | greenman | I can check, but I'm not sure outbound port 80 traffic is stopped... |
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| 18:14.04 | RoyK | ChrisH: I used it on a rather slow link and had a big jump in bandwidth over nfs3 and smb2 |
| 18:14.38 | RoyK | SMB over wan is rather terrible |
| 18:15.01 | drzed | the very strange thing is that the same setup works on a another machiene perfectly fine |
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| 18:15.39 | RoyK | drzed: NFS3 supports ACLs - just not NFS4 ACLs ;) |
| 18:16.17 | hexnewbie | RoyK: Isn't that a Linux-only extension, or otherwise non-standard? |
| 18:16.47 | drzed | so do you suggest that NFS4 is generally unstable? |
| 18:17.26 | llemma | Is the netinst i386 kernel suitable for a 12gb ram 686 system? Fresh install. Not a server. |
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| 18:17.52 | greycat | How on earth do you get that much RAM in a 686? |
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| 18:18.14 | greycat | I didn't think any 686-compatible motherboards could handle that. |
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| 18:18.51 | RoyK | hexnewbie: no, it's standard posix - it's worked for year |
| 18:18.52 | RoyK | hexnewbie: no, it's standard posix - it's worked for years |
| 18:18.54 | llemma | greycat: triple channel memory in six slots + discounted packs of 2gb sticks |
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| 18:19.39 | erry01 | hi, tried kali 2? |
| 18:19.51 | RoyK | !kali |
| 18:19.51 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 18:21.19 | erry01 | hallo2 |
| 18:21.24 | erry01 | @hallo3 |
| 18:21.51 | hexnewbie | RoyK: Hm. Just checked the man page. It says it's a proprietary Solaris extension. "POSIX" ACL are not POSIX though. |
| 18:21.52 | gebjgd | erry01, sorry |
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| 18:22.31 | erry01 | @gebjgd n prb |
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| 18:23.56 | erry01 | #kali |
| 18:24.09 | erry01 | how to change # |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | Depends on your client. It's normally /join #channame |
| 18:24.39 | gebjgd | erry01, /help join |
| 18:24.49 | RoyK | and that's #kali-linux |
| 18:24.54 | erry01 | thanks guys |
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| 18:27.27 | drzed | any further suggestion how i can debug this NFS4 issue? |
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| 18:28.57 | c0fe_machine | Need For Speed 4? |
| 18:29.02 | enkidu | hello. Anyone playing with sid and kde5 around here? |
| 18:29.18 | drzed | i also really do not understand why the folder is empty, at least it should show the content |
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| 18:29.49 | greycat | You may not have the right "permissions" to see the content, if the UID mapping is broken. |
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| 18:31.14 | taian | Hi, is Powertop service enabled by default in Debian Jessie? |
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| 18:31.29 | drzed | greycat: the permissions of the folder are 0777 |
| 18:31.39 | greycat | I have no powertop in my systemctl output, so I'm gonna say "no". |
| 18:31.44 | Skyekk22 | Hey guys, just ran chkrootkit and saw this: ! RUID PID TTY CMD |
| 18:31.44 | Skyekk22 | ! root 1008 tty7 /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-Aq5qNb |
| 18:32.19 | greycat | Skyekk22: I don't see a problem there. |
| 18:32.24 | greycat | Am I missing something? |
| 18:32.35 | taian | greycat: how do you get that systemctl output? |
| 18:32.42 | greycat | taian: I ran the command "systemctl" |
| 18:33.10 | greycat | ,info powertop |
| 18:33.11 | judd | Package powertop (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: diagnose issues with power consumption and management. Version: 2.6.1-1; Size: 172.0k; Installed: 529k; Homepage: https://01.org/powertop/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/powertop |
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| 18:33.21 | greycat | It's not a default package. |
| 18:33.31 | Skyekk22 | any idea :O |
| 18:33.31 | Skyekk22 | just slightly over my head :) |
| 18:33.55 | greycat | Skyekk22: If you're asking "why is chkrootkit giving me this obviously false positive" then I don't know. |
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| 18:34.16 | Skyekk22 | greycat: Ah okay.. any idea of what that process could be? |
| 18:34.22 | greycat | It is your X server. |
| 18:34.30 | Skyekk22 | greycat: More curious as to what it is rather than why it's a false positive |
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| 18:34.52 | greycat | man X |
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| 18:35.10 | Skyekk22 | greycat: Thank you sir :) |
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| 18:39.00 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: I would suspect chkrootkit chokes on the random Xauth name. Restarting X might fix it. Or maybe not if it is a heuristic. |
| 18:39.16 | greenman | if you do a dist-upgrade and your sources are only for current version, it won't go higher, right? |
| 18:40.29 | Skyekk22 | hexnewbie: thank you |
| 18:41.25 | greycat | More likely you need to report the issue to the authors of chkrootkit, or see if they've already fixed it. |
| 18:42.11 | greycat | greenman: your sources.list *SHOULD* always point to a specific Debian release by name, like "wheezy" or "jessie". |
| 18:42.28 | greenman | Yeah, I made sure of that. :) |
| 18:42.37 | greenman | after the last shenanigans |
| 18:42.51 | hexnewbie | I am not completely familiar with the crazy stuff rootkits do these days. Is there any use in triple-checking this is a false positive? For example, that there is only one process looking like X, and that it is the one chkrootkit shows? |
| 18:43.36 | greenman | what is currently stable? The one after wheezy? |
| 18:43.43 | greycat | jessie |
| 18:43.49 | greycat | which, indeed, is the one following wheezy |
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| 18:44.17 | Skyekk22 | hexnewbie: Honestly, I'm unsure. I'm fairly new to linux. Actually I'm fairly new to computer in general and work in a windows domain if that says anything ;d |
| 18:44.47 | greenman | greycat: that's what I thought. Thanks |
| 18:45.19 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: As very paranoid, I would run `ps auxww | grep bin/X' and ensure the X process is the one chkrootkit shows. And that there is only one (although if you used user switching, it might fire up two X servers) |
| 18:45.44 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: But it's unnecessary :) |
| 18:45.57 | Skyekk22 | hexnewbie: nah, i don't think so. I'll do it right now, sec |
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| 18:46.46 | Skyekk22 | sudo ps auxww | grep bin/X |
| 18:46.47 | Skyekk22 | root 1008 0.4 0.5 192256 46108 tty7 Ss+ Aug11 4:42 /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-Aq5qNb |
| 18:47.03 | greycat | Still looks completely normal to me. |
| 18:47.17 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: Well, so there's nothing to worry about, even if you are paranoid. |
| 18:47.28 | Skyekk22 | yay :) |
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| 18:47.58 | Skyekk22 | Okay, not to take it a step further... but chkrootkit also found this: wlan0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/wpa_supplicant[1141], /sbin/wpa_supplicant[1141], /sbin/dhclient[5899]) |
| 18:47.58 | greycat | (Mine are all /tmp/serverauth.randomstuff but I assume that's because I'm using startx from console and not a *dm.) |
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| 18:48.16 | Skyekk22 | Upon looking up that error, I saw many users with that... so I'm guessing that's a false positive too? |
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| 18:52.00 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: That also looks like a false positive, possibly because DHCP and wpa_supplicant need raw network access. |
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| 18:53.19 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: I would start to question the reliability of chkrootkit at that point. :) You do use wireless with automatic address configuration (DHCP), right? |
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| 18:56.20 | Skyekk22 | hexnewbie: yes :P |
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| 18:58.03 | hexnewbie | Skyekk22: So... Yeah. It "caught" the the program that handles your wireless encryption/auth, and the program that asks for an IP address. Those things, naturally, need to do suspicious stuff to function. |
| 18:58.25 | Skyekk22 | hexnewbie: hehe, that's what I figured.. just wanted to run it past you guys just incase |
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| 19:25.42 | shaun413 | hello |
| 19:25.51 | shaun413 | i have a .x86_64 file |
| 19:25.55 | shaun413 | id like to install. how? |
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| 19:26.36 | centrx | shaun413, What is it? |
| 19:26.36 | cxd13 | do you also have a 64 bit CPU |
| 19:26.47 | shaun413 | its a game |
| 19:26.52 | shaun413 | yes I have 64 |
| 19:26.53 | shaun413 | bit |
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| 19:29.07 | shaun413 | ? |
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| 19:30.34 | cxd13 | amd64 OS? |
| 19:30.44 | shaun413 | yes |
| 19:30.48 | quodvis | shaun413: dpkg -i lalala.deb |
| 19:30.50 | shaun413 | intel |
| 19:30.50 | cxd13 | then why phrase your question in such a weird way |
| 19:30.53 | shaun413 | its intel |
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| 19:31.22 | shaun413 | its not a ,deb |
| 19:31.24 | shaun413 | .deb |
| 19:31.37 | jhutchins | shaun413: If the file ends in that extension then we don't know what it is. |
| 19:31.50 | jhutchins | shaun413: Find the instructions where you found the file. |
| 19:31.59 | greycat | shaun413: start file "file *.x86_64" and see what that says |
| 19:32.03 | greycat | start with* |
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| 19:33.03 | shaun413 | there is no application installed for excecutable file |
| 19:33.13 | greycat | shaun413: start with "file *.x86_64" and see what that says |
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| 19:34.35 | holiday | How would you recommend getting wifi or access to internet after a barebone Debian net install? |
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| 19:34.54 | greycat | stick the nonfree firmware drivers on a USB stick? |
| 19:35.09 | greycat | plug in an ethernet cable to a wired port? |
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| 19:36.07 | holiday | greycat: no ethernet, the non-free image comes with the wireless driver, I mean actually connecting to the wifi in order to install other necessary apps |
| 19:36.35 | teclo- | hi what's the most elegant way to change the IP address of a Debian 8.x wired server ? change /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:36.38 | teclo- | ? |
| 19:36.39 | shaun413 | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 19:36.41 | greycat | teclo-: yes |
| 19:36.47 | greycat | shaun413: it is a command. Run it. |
| 19:36.52 | greycat | shaun413: From a terminal. |
| 19:36.58 | shaun413 | whats the command |
| 19:37.03 | teclo- | greycat: ok thank you :) |
| 19:37.06 | greycat | shaun413: file *.x86_64 |
| 19:37.17 | shaun413 | whats the * |
| 19:37.34 | holiday | shaun413: whatever the name of the file is |
| 19:37.38 | shaun413 | oh |
| 19:37.45 | greycat | Since you DID NOT TELL US THE EXACT FILE NAME, I had to construct a shell glob (wildcard) that would match all of the .x86_64 files. |
| 19:37.56 | greycat | If you have more than one, it will read them all. |
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| 19:38.11 | greycat | You can just LITERALLY TYPE WHAT I TYPED. |
| 19:38.19 | greycat | It should work, unless you were also lying about the file extension. |
| 19:38.19 | shaun413 | LSB excexutable |
| 19:38.24 | greycat | My god. |
| 19:38.26 | shaun413 | ? |
| 19:38.28 | greycat | Come on. |
| 19:38.31 | shaun413 | what |
| 19:38.34 | greycat | Paste the actual output. |
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| 19:39.10 | shaun413 | http://pastebin.com/XnmG2T4J |
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| 19:39.18 | greycat | it should have been one line... |
| 19:39.42 | shaun413 | it is |
| 19:39.54 | greycat | Right. OK. It is not a tarball or anything like that. It's a bare executable file, ready to run. Move it to /usr/local/bin/FPVFreerider |
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| 19:40.29 | greycat | (Or move it to /usr/local/bin/ with its current name and make a symlink if you prefer.) |
| 19:40.52 | greycat | And make very sure that you trust wherever you got this from. |
| 19:41.07 | shaun413 | i cant |
| 19:41.11 | shaun413 | make a new folder there |
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| 19:41.24 | greycat | Do you not have root authority on this Debian system? |
| 19:41.29 | shaun413 | Oh i do |
| 19:41.34 | shaun413 | how do i get it for that? |
| 19:41.40 | greycat | sudo mv FPVFreerider.x86_64 /usr/local/bin/FPVFreerider |
| 19:41.52 | greycat | or become root, then type that without the sudo |
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| 19:42.46 | shaun413 | ok now what |
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| 19:44.58 | shaun413 | greycat: ? |
| 19:45.15 | greycat | Type FPVFreerider to run it. |
| 19:45.16 | wlan2 | Anyone know some way to get mate with compiz fusion on testing? |
| 19:45.22 | greycat | Or whatever name you gave it. |
| 19:45.33 | shaun413 | permission denied |
| 19:45.42 | greycat | ls -l /usr/local/bin/FPVFreerider |
| 19:46.04 | greycat | you might just need to chmod it... |
| 19:46.05 | drumr | is jessie considered stable now? |
| 19:46.07 | greycat | yes |
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| 19:46.13 | shaun413 | -rw-r--r-- 1 shaun shaun 23535480 Feb 24 11:33 /usr/local/bin/FPVFreerider |
| 19:46.13 | shaun413 | shaun@debian:~$ |
| 19:46.21 | greycat | sudo chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/FPVFreerider |
| 19:46.59 | greycat | (A 23 MB bare executable with no instructions... "fun".) |
| 19:47.15 | drumr | thanks |
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| 19:47.29 | shaun413 | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by FPVFreerider) |
| 19:47.37 | greycat | ,v libc6 |
| 19:47.38 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u6; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-19; sid: 2.19-19; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
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| 19:47.50 | greycat | shaun413: you'll need to be on jessie (Debian 8) or later for this. |
| 19:48.02 | shaun413 | what ? |
| 19:48.07 | mo1991reg | wlan2 - there are some experimental version of compiz that have been uploaded to alioth debian but have not made there way into official debian repositories yet |
| 19:48.07 | shaun413 | is that a new version of debain? |
| 19:48.17 | greycat | shaun413: the thing you downloaded was built for a newer version of GNU libc than you currently have. |
| 19:48.23 | shaun413 | oh |
| 19:48.37 | shaun413 | how do I update? |
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| 19:48.48 | greycat | shaun413: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie assuming you are currently on wheezy |
| 19:48.53 | knivsta | hi |
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| 19:49.48 | shaun413 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.05 | wlan2 | mo1991reg, well if they are experimental probably quite some wait has to be before having them in testing. |
| 19:50.14 | mo1991reg | subscribe to Bug#722451 on alioth.debian.org |
| 19:50.17 | mo1991reg | wlan2 above |
| 19:50.26 | greycat | !tell shaun413 about wheezy->jessie |
| 19:50.33 | greycat | /msg is an IRC command not a Linux command |
| 19:50.37 | raspl | hey there |
| 19:50.55 | holiday | How can you connect to wifi on Debian (via CLI) after a barebone installation? |
| 19:51.14 | shaun413 | thx |
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| 19:51.27 | mo1991reg | wlan2 - # deb http://debian.hypra.fr/debian/ jessie main and # deb http://debian.hypra.fr/debian/ sid main |
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| 19:51.50 | mo1991reg | wlan2 - I use these builds with debian stable and all works very well. Hopefully this repo is still up. |
| 19:52.33 | raspl | can sb explain me how i change the default display manager to start with startx? already changed /etc/x11/default-display-manager but the old loads |
| 19:52.40 | mo1991reg | wlan2 I believe I needed to install one package from wheezy to get them working, but they may have included that in the repo now. |
| 19:53.08 | wlan2 | mo1991reg, I'm on testing, not stable. Will take a llok based on that. |
| 19:53.13 | raspl | only startx /pathofthenewWm helps but id like to just type startx |
| 19:53.56 | mo1991reg | wlan2 - ya, they should work fine with testing. Other than you may need to install a package from wheezy that is no longer included in debian stable or testing I think |
| 19:54.02 | greycat | raspl: startx doesn't start a display manager. It starts a session, or a window manager. |
| 19:54.26 | greycat | raspl: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 19:54.53 | raspl | greycat: ty i already have done that aswell but still it loads the old wm thats crazy |
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| 19:56.43 | greycat | raspl: /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager is just what gets used if you don't specify anything on the startx command line, and don't have a ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc file. I think. |
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| 19:57.18 | raspl | greycat: ill check that thanks! |
| 19:57.39 | shaun413 | this update take a long time |
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| 19:58.37 | greycat | Yeah, wheezy to jessie is HUGE if you have a lot of stuff installed. |
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| 20:00.18 | raspl | greycat: i think i fixed it ty! i3 is such an awesome tiling manager |
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| 20:01.16 | shaun413 | nah |
| 20:01.20 | shaun413 | greycat: it still doesnt work |
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| 20:01.29 | shaun413 | same error about GLIBC |
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| 20:03.02 | greycat | shaun413: you're sure you did the ENTIRE jessie dist-upgrade? |
| 20:03.19 | wlan2 | mo1991reg, might you link me that bug #722451? |
| 20:03.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/722451 in wnpp (open): «ITP: compiz -- Compositing "3D" window manager»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-09-11; last modified: 2015-07-30. |
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| 20:03.33 | shaun413 | yessir greycat |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | shaun413: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 20:04.11 | riot | hiho. why could "fakeroot make-jpkg <somedarnedjavapackage>" run out of space? If i take the log serious, the stuff extracts to /tmp/../?!? |
| 20:04.12 | shaun413 | ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u8 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:04.27 | greycat | that's still wheezy |
| 20:04.32 | shaun413 | wut |
| 20:04.45 | greycat | shaun413: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file somewhere |
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| 20:06.34 | shaun413 | ok |
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| 20:07.40 | shaun413 | http://pastebin.com/BHQuGd0C |
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| 20:08.55 | greycat | shaun413: those lines still say wheezy. You didn't change them to jessie. |
| 20:09.03 | shaun413 | How do i chagne to weezy? |
| 20:09.09 | shaun413 | jessir |
| 20:09.19 | greycat | shaun413: you're on wheezy right. Open that file in an editor, and change EVERY wheezy to jessie, and then save it. |
| 20:09.27 | shaun413 | oh |
| 20:09.59 | shaun413 | thats SO much thi |
| 20:10.01 | shaun413 | tho |
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| 20:11.02 | bibear | hi guys. i just upgraded to jessie. usin lenovo x201 tablet, the one with wacom stylus. the stylus works, but everytime i login or turn around the screen there comes a message "recalibrate your pen". trying to calibrate it messages "misclick detected" and the calibration restarts. |
| 20:11.31 | greycat | shaun413: most text editors can replace all occurrences of one string with another string in a single command. |
| 20:11.55 | bibear | any way to see the logs to the software that calibrates to find out whats the problem? or maybe somebody just knows a solution ? |
| 20:12.35 | shaun413 | i dont have permission to |
| 20:12.35 | shaun413 | save it |
| 20:12.46 | greycat | You need to be root. |
| 20:12.54 | shaun413 | but its a text editor |
| 20:13.14 | shaun413 | sigh |
| 20:13.58 | shaun413 | i have no idea what im doing |
| 20:14.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | sudo. |
| 20:14.31 | shaun413 | but its |
| 20:14.34 | shaun413 | a text editor app |
| 20:14.36 | greycat | shaun413: try this one: sudo sed -i s/wheezy/jessie/g /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:14.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | you don't need to be root to use a text editor. you do need to be root to write to that file. |
| 20:15.28 | greycat | I'm guessing the issue is that he only knows how to run graphical text editors. |
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| 20:15.32 | greycat | But the sed command should do. |
| 20:15.35 | shaun413 | unknonw option to S |
| 20:15.44 | greycat | shaun413: you have to paste it exactly as I wrote it. |
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| 20:16.36 | shaun413 | sed: no input files |
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| 20:17.28 | greycat | shaun413: try this one: sudo sed -i s/wheezy/jessie/g /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:17.53 | greycat | You have to paste the ENTIRE command including the filename... |
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| 20:18.12 | shaun413 | unkown otpion to s |
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| 20:18.46 | greycat | If you paste the command right out of IRC into your terminal, it should work. |
| 20:19.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | it works for me. |
| 20:19.14 | shaun413 | well it doesnt |
| 20:19.34 | shaun413 | oh it worked |
| 20:19.46 | shaun413 | but the program still gives eror |
| 20:19.50 | shaun413 | about glibc |
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| 20:20.12 | greycat | Now that you have changed sources.list, you can do "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" etc. |
| 20:20.29 | shaun413 | OH hey it says jessie now |
| 20:20.37 | greycat | Yes, all that command did was edit the file for you. |
| 20:20.42 | shaun413 | wow |
| 20:20.49 | PcMasterRace | lol |
| 20:21.10 | shaun413 | ok upgrading nao! |
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| 20:30.46 | masonik | Can anyone impart their linux wisdom to help me solve a problem i am trying to crack outlined here: http://paste.debian.net/291763 |
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| 20:32.13 | uwjesq | When I install a x-dev:i386 library on my system, debian thinks it is a good idea to remove the 64 bit version. |
| 20:32.33 | uwjesq | But I want to compile my application for both 64 and 32 bit. |
| 20:32.36 | greycat | uwjesq: /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 20:32.37 | greenman | I don't understand how when you update packages and you choose no, it still overwrites your config |
| 20:32.43 | uwjesq | So I need both of them. |
| 20:32.50 | greenman | my apache is all jacked now and I have to recreate it from scratch |
| 20:33.48 | jhutchins | greenman: I've never had an update change my apache config. |
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| 20:33.56 | jhutchins | greenman: What release are you running? |
| 20:34.08 | wlan2 | Aptitude gives sometimes funny dependency "solutions" like, instead of upgradig, removing and installing 32-bit versions. |
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| 20:34.16 | babilen | greenman: It doesn't, the default is to keep the user's config. Could you be a bit more specific about the things you did and what happened? |
| 20:34.48 | shaun413 | still updating.. |
| 20:35.08 | greenman | jhutchins: I'm on jessie now |
| 20:35.44 | uwjesq | greycat: Yes, that is how to reproduce the issue. |
| 20:35.48 | greenman | babilen: Before I updated I could get to the website. Now I'm getting connection refused. All I see is the default site so our site's configurations are gone |
| 20:36.29 | greenman | one of these times an update is going to go smoothly. :/ |
| 20:38.04 | greycat | uwjesq: um... no, configuring dpkg for multiarch should allow you to install both packages simultaneously. |
| 20:38.24 | greycat | ii libc6-i686:i386 2.19-18 i386 GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized] |
| 20:38.27 | greycat | ii libc6-x32 2.19-18 amd64 GNU C Library: X32 ABI Shared libraries for AMD64 |
| 20:38.58 | jhutchins | greenman: You're not giving us much to go on, but a recent change in how apache handles the <Directory> allow, deny syntax may have caught you. |
| 20:39.05 | greycat | err, not the right two, but you get the point I hope |
| 20:39.23 | uwjesq | greycat: It does not apt-get install libepoxy-dev:i386 wants to remove libepoxy-dev |
| 20:39.25 | jhutchins | greenman: I know of nothing that would have affected your config files, unless maybe you're using some terribly non-standard configuration structure. |
| 20:40.10 | greenman | jhutchins: nope, this was a pretty default install. Only thing we did was install piwik |
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| 20:41.39 | shaun413 | greycat: SAME ISSUE |
| 20:41.40 | shaun413 | still |
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| 20:42.02 | greycat | shaun413: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 20:42.31 | shaun413 | ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7u8 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:42.40 | greycat | shaun413: that's still wheezy's. |
| 20:42.44 | shaun413 | WUT |
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| 20:42.58 | n-st | hi, where should i store my gitolite repos to comply with the filesystem hierarchy standard? /var/git? /var/lib/git? one of those with gitolite instead of git? |
| 20:43.14 | shaun413 | why still wheezing? |
| 20:43.38 | greycat | shaun413: did you follow the steps in the Release Notes? http://deb.li/ldcj |
| 20:43.50 | shaun413 | yeah man |
| 20:44.00 | c0fe | no need for weezing, go koffing |
| 20:44.31 | shaun413 | man i wished this worked on windows |
| 20:44.37 | shaun413 | cant get it to work though |
| 20:44.53 | greycat | shaun413: Were there errors? Have you tried repeating the "apt-get dist-upgrade" step? |
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| 20:45.08 | shaun413 | yeah there was errors |
| 20:45.27 | c0fe | shaun413: what you trying to get to work on Windows? |
| 20:45.34 | shaun413 | a program |
| 20:45.55 | shaun413 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.56 | shaun413 | root@debian:/home/shaun# |
| 20:46.10 | greycat | You have to be root, and there must not be another apt-get program running already. |
| 20:46.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | a program? like, at the opera? |
| 20:46.35 | shaun413 | i had to close the cmd prompt greycat |
| 20:46.37 | shaun413 | it was frozen |
| 20:46.39 | greenman | Any idea why updating from wheezy to jessie would break the way the f5 sends traffic? |
| 20:46.49 | greenman | it seems that traffic isn't getting through the vip |
| 20:47.04 | greenman | I can connect and see the access in the logs when I use ip address |
| 20:47.23 | greenman | but when I got through the vip (F5) I get connection timed out |
| 20:47.34 | babilen | greenman: Which version of apache did you upgrade from and to? |
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| 20:48.09 | greenman | babilen: I don't know, I wasn't paying attention. Whichever the latest wheezy had to whatever jessie has |
| 20:48.24 | babilen | greenman: Oh, so you upgraded from wheezy to jessie? |
| 20:48.40 | shaun413 | sigh |
| 20:48.44 | shaun413 | ill never update this |
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| 20:48.46 | shaun413 | I give up |
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| 20:49.17 | greenman | babilen: yeah |
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| 20:49.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that closing your terminal while apt-get was still running was a bad idea. |
| 20:49.33 | babilen | greenman: That pulled in an upgrade from apache 2.2 to apache 2.4 which is really quite different. Have you read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat in the release notes already? |
| 20:49.36 | shaun413 | it froze |
| 20:49.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | how do you know that? |
| 20:49.52 | shaun413 | cuz it did |
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| 20:50.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you just assumed it did because it wasn't running as fast as you would have expected? |
| 20:50.14 | babilen | greenman: In particular http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html is a document you should read carefully and adapt your old configuration to the one being used by apache 2.4 |
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| 20:50.41 | cxd13 | i forgot, which file do i edit to keep resolv.conf from being overwritten when i want to use custom DNS? |
| 20:50.56 | greenman | babilen: thanks, I'll read up on that |
| 20:51.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | in one sense, that's not much different than going to upgrade to a new version of windows, getting tired of waiting for it, and rebooting half way through :P |
| 20:51.33 | shaun413 | can soeone help me |
| 20:51.36 | shaun413 | greycat: ? |
| 20:51.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | [except in this case, everything should be relatively easily recoverable] |
| 20:51.44 | greenman | babilen: I just assumed if I was using pretty much a default config, that it would after update |
| 20:51.51 | greycat | shaun413: fix whatever the errors were. |
| 20:51.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | you probably have some lock files in place since apt-get didn't exit cleanly. that's probably what it's complaining about. |
| 20:52.08 | greenman | I guess because the config is so different, that's why it blew away what I had? |
| 20:52.24 | shaun413 | i didnt see the error |
| 20:52.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | rule of thumb: don't close things because you think they're "frozen". apt-get doesn't "freeze". |
| 20:52.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | try rebooting and resume where you left off. |
| 20:53.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | although you'll likely have to clean out some lock files manually. |
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| 20:53.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | and nobody here will want to help you do that, because it's an annoying thing to walk someone through remotely, despite being a trivial task. |
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| 20:54.04 | greycat | shaun413: then run it again and this time don't lose it |
| 20:54.09 | shaun413 | IT WONT |
| 20:54.19 | shaun413 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.20 | shaun413 | ^^ |
| 20:54.36 | adabo_ | How do make the xterm colors match the tty colors? http://i.imgur.com/llbGKI2.png The vm on the right is what I want. The terminal on the left is xterm. You can see they are not the same. |
| 20:54.48 | greycat | shaun413: You must be root, and there must not be another apt-get already running somewhere. |
| 20:54.58 | greenman | babilen: I still don't understand how nothing is going into the logs when I get connection timed out... |
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| 20:55.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1911838 |
| 20:56.07 | shaun413 | greycat: well how do i stop the other atpget |
| 20:56.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | shaun413: please at least _try_ to search the web. the link i just pasted was the first hit on google when i pasted your error message. |
| 20:56.40 | greenman | yup, it blew away my existing configuration |
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| 20:56.56 | greenman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.21 | greenman | so now I have to figure out what I need to do to get this site working again |
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| 21:14.19 | aerth | hello i have a deboostrap debian jail in /usr/local/userjail with my game server running in it. but i opened the schrooted application with a priveledged user, using /etc/init.d . am i correct to assume this is not secure because one could ctrl+c out of the chroot and once again be a privledged user? |
| 21:16.43 | wlan2 | aerth, to exit a chroot, one would ctrl+d |
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| 21:18.08 | wlan2 | schroot is meant to drop privileges, not to launch it from privileged accounts. |
| 21:18.30 | aerth | but how does one start the schroot correctly then? |
| 21:19.25 | aerth | for example, for a game server that starts on boot with sudo /etc/init.d/startgame (on the real machine) ? |
| 21:20.13 | wlan2 | aerth, the initscript should drop privileges and invoke stuff as user. |
| 21:20.18 | hexnewbie | aerth: What do you mean by "privileged user" here? A process running as root in a chroot can always exit the chroot, because root can do chroot. |
| 21:21.12 | wlan2 | hexnewbie, it seems like not needing to be root since it's using schroot |
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| 21:21.57 | aerth | in this context, privileged user means a user in the group wheel that can use sudo |
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| 21:23.01 | aerth | in the chroot, theres a username gameuser (it doesn't exist on the real system) and i'd like the game server to be owned and ran by that user |
| 21:24.22 | hexnewbie | aerth: "Ctrl+C" is not a way to escape a chroot in any scenario I can think of where chrooting makes sense. What is it about scenario that you think makes it possible? |
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| 21:25.56 | hexnewbie | aerth: In particular, for one to be able to "Ctrl+C" out of anything, it means *they* started/chrooted into that anything. It means they had access to the outside all along. :) |
| 21:26.07 | aerth | ^ that. thanks |
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| 21:26.58 | aerth | so when in a chroot as root, and install ssh server, and open on different port than real machine's ssh port... users that log in to the chroot CANT LEAVE , correct? |
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| 21:28.07 | hexnewbie | aerth: Ideally, yes. Normal users can't escape the chroot. But if they find a root exploit, or there are "outside" fds dangling inside their processes (there won't be in your example), they will or might, respectively. |
| 21:28.13 | Brigo | aerth, they can't leave with Crtl+C, chroot is not 100% secure. |
| 21:28.42 | aerth | k thanks |
| 21:28.43 | Brigo | aerth, it will be better, and easy to use something like lxc. |
| 21:29.26 | aerth | thank you Brigo. never heard of lxc !! |
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| 21:29.31 | hexnewbie | aerth: As such, a chroot doesn't provide a real layer of security, although it can help. Be sure not to have a lax security inside (I've seen admins leaving all kinds of pathways to root, just because it's in a "secure" chroot) |
| 21:29.34 | Brigo | even systemd can launch a process into a container with systemd-nspawn |
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| 21:31.40 | aerth | thank you all! |
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| 21:42.18 | adam` | I'm having a problem with fullscreen video frame tearing |
| 21:42.23 | adam` | It's from all video sources |
| 21:42.25 | adam` | Am using KDE |
| 21:43.09 | adabo_ | raises an eyebrow |
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| 21:43.46 | adam` | What terminal command do I use to find out what video driver I'm using? |
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| 21:45.38 | adam` | Please help |
| 21:45.58 | Equa | adam`: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 21:46.21 | adam` | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Richland [Radeon HD 8610G] [1002:990f] |
| 21:46.21 | adam` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.26 | Equa | adam`: you should be using kernel mod radeon |
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| 21:49.46 | adam` | What's that Equa? |
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| 21:53.45 | jhutchins | adam`: You can parse what driver X is using from /var/log/Xorg.0.log - but there's a LOT of noise. |
| 21:54.32 | adam` | jhutchins: could you explain how I would do that? |
| 21:54.36 | mtn | inxi -Gx is a handy tool for that |
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| 21:58.45 | Brigo | is installing inxi :) |
| 21:59.04 | adam` | *installing inxi* |
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| 21:59.33 | Brigo | adam`, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net and we will do it for you :) |
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| 22:01.39 | adam` | http://paste.debian.net/291788/ Here it is |
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| 22:01.42 | adam` | Thanks |
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| 22:02.03 | Brigo | adam`, once intalled you can run it with /exec inxi -G to show your graphic card data. |
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| 22:02.45 | Dan34 | someone of you is having probleming upgrading flash-plugin-nonfree? it doesn't upgrade animore with update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 22:04.10 | Brigo | Dan34, you are right it silently fails. |
| 22:04.25 | adam` | Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Richland [Radeon HD 8610G] |
| 22:04.26 | adam` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.26 | adam` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.26 | adam` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.36 | Brigo | adam`, you are using radeon (from Xorg log) |
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| 22:04.52 | Dan34 | yes it fails |
| 22:05.07 | adam` | Oops, accidentally got kicked for flooding |
| 22:05.14 | Brigo | damm it, my fault. |
| 22:05.21 | adam` | Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Richland [Radeon HD 8610G] |
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| 22:05.38 | Brigo | adam`, enought. |
| 22:05.43 | Dan34 | without giving any error nor confirm of update |
| 22:05.50 | Brigo | can you check the logs about firmware problem? |
| 22:06.00 | adam` | How would I do that? |
| 22:06.05 | Brigo | Dan34, it doesn't updates, you can confirm it wiht --status. |
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| 22:06.43 | Brigo | adam`, run journactl -b and search for the firmware word. |
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| 22:07.27 | adam` | journactl? I can't find that command |
| 22:07.47 | Brigo | Dan34, with --verbose: 2015-08-13 00:07:04 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 22:07.58 | Brigo | journalctl, sorry. |
| 22:08.02 | Dan34 | yes I have the .491 and it is available the .508 but it fails to update |
| 22:08.16 | Brigo | it is unavailable. |
| 22:08.29 | Dan34 | I understand |
| 22:08.40 | adam` | Brigo: "No journal files were found" |
| 22:08.55 | Brigo | adam`, then check /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:11.25 | adam` | There was no usage of "firmware" in syslog |
| 22:11.31 | Dan34 | I always have this problem with flashplugin about update, it doesn't update - upgrade with normal apt-get update and upgrade. Someone told me that is possible to create some command to include in my normal updates flashplugin non free as well. Ho to do it? |
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| 22:13.02 | Dan34 | I mean everytime i always must do it manually and just for it. i want it update like every other packages |
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| 22:13.32 | Brigo | Dan34, it looks like debian maintainers don't like it. |
| 22:13.56 | Brigo | adam`, any radeon related error? |
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| 22:14.45 | Dan34 | that's for sure |
| 22:15.13 | jmcnaught | Dan34: hello. the way the flash plugin package works in Debian is it basically just included the update-flashplugin-nonfree to download the plugin from Adobe's servers (because Debian doesn't have the rights to distribute it) |
| 22:15.56 | jmcnaught | Dan34: i'm not sure what the current issue, but it has happened before where the script breaks because Adobe changes something on their side (like the location of the plugin). Have you checked to see if there is a bug report about it? |
| 22:15.59 | adam` | No instance of "radeon" in syslog either |
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| 22:17.03 | Dan34 | jmcnaught, no bugs, and this manual update is always happened to me and some of my friends so I guess is a common 'issue' |
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| 22:19.37 | Brigo | adam`, then check google for errors regarding your card and the radeon driver. |
| 22:19.37 | adam` | I don't know what to do |
| 22:20.10 | Dan34 | jmcnaught, and it happen just on debian, other linux distros don't have this problem and with just a CLICK they update and upgrade everything. |
| 22:20.16 | jmcnaught | Dan34: needing to run update-flashplugin-nonfree is normal, it's been like that for a while. I don't know why it isn't working right now. Maybe if you submit a bug report someone who can fix it will be able to take a look. |
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| 22:21.46 | Dan34 | jmcnaught, the problem is that I don't see any bug nor error message, it silently fail |
| 22:22.32 | jmcnaught | Dan34: i understand. if you report that and a maintainer needs more info or testing they will ask you |
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| 22:22.54 | Brigo | Dan34, run it with --verbose; update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose and you will see :) |
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| 22:28.21 | Dan34 | sending a report will send some of my personal info? |
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| 22:30.06 | Dan34 | ok i gave that command .... --verbose |
| 22:30.43 | Dan34 | i have the result to who I have to send it? |
| 22:31.09 | asper | can anyone tell me where to find the default partman recipe string for an btrfs installation? i want to create different subvolumes but can't find something on the internetz. |
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| 22:32.17 | RoyK | asper: I guess #btrfs would be the place to ask |
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| 22:33.26 | holiday | Will I be able to install Debian without an internet connection using the non-free "netinst" iso found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:35.37 | mtn | holiday, the netinstall only has a very minimal install, it is intended to be used with an internet connection |
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| 22:36.22 | holiday | mtn: but it has barebone Debian with it right? Like the "laptop" task and the basic system utilies? |
| 22:36.54 | mtn | holiday, I don't think so. those are downloaded as far as I know. at least the laptop part |
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| 22:37.09 | mtn | holiday, not sure, though |
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| 22:37.44 | holiday | mtn: do you know if the installation will use less than 2GBs? |
| 22:38.06 | mtn | holiday, without downloading anything it will |
| 22:38.10 | Equa | barebone debian was around 1.3g for me |
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| 22:38.52 | holiday | But this netinst is the non-free version, do you think it will be larger? |
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| 22:39.13 | Equa | a firmware shouldn't be that large. are you trying to install everything? |
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| 22:39.42 | Bashmetim | Is grub-efi available if I'm doing a netinstall? |
| 22:39.59 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, yes you can install from that |
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| 22:40.12 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: without wifi? |
| 22:40.19 | Bashmetim | I can't find a menu option to use a fat32 efi system partiton as an efi boot partition |
| 22:40.35 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, yes, i did it a couple of weeks back |
| 22:40.38 | Bashmetim | The internet claims its there, but it's not :/ |
| 22:41.10 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: did you install it on a laptop? |
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| 22:41.36 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, install to my thinkpad, but the netinst didnt detect my realtek wifi even though it does once installed |
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| 22:43.15 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: So after you installed Debian barebone, you boot into a CLI right? How did you connect to wifi after that? Did you just use the cli commands? |
| 22:43.39 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, so had to install offline with net connection - just means that any current updates will be missing and also things like apt sources.list will need to be manually configure and timezone too |
| 22:44.04 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, just used wpa supplicant |
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| 22:44.31 | eclectichedgehog | or, configure /etc/network/interfaces and reboot |
| 22:44.55 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: wpa supplicant comes with the non-free iso? |
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| 22:45.19 | eclectichedgehog | yes, how would wifi connect otherwaise? |
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| 22:47.16 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: you mentioned that you had to manually change the sources.list, what for? |
| 22:47.34 | eclectichedgehog | for debian software repos |
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| 22:48.05 | eclectichedgehog | as it leaves it blank or just with the entry for your installation media eg CDROM |
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| 22:49.46 | eclectichedgehog | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 22:50.18 | eclectichedgehog | that will get you on the right track for sources.list after install |
| 22:51.02 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: can you fact check me before I install? I will install Debian with the non-free net install. Afterwards, I'll set up wifi with wpa supplicant. I'll fix my source.list. Then, I will run "apt-get upgrade, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade." Then I will update the kernel. Then change the time. Did I miss anything? |
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| 22:52.19 | eclectichedgehog | holiday, yeah thats about it |
| 22:53.00 | Brigo | holiday, apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:54.10 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: about wpa supplicant. Can't I just run "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" then use iwconfig for wifi? How did you connect using just wpa supplicant? |
| 22:54.16 | eclectichedgehog | there probably wont be much to update/upgrade anyway |
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| 22:55.12 | eclectichedgehog | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 22:55.26 | eclectichedgehog | follow this guide |
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| 22:57.57 | recharged | Who maintains the Radeon HD microcode firmware in firmware-linux-nonfree and under what license are they? |
| 22:58.15 | recharged | *license(s) |
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| 23:01.41 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: right, but there's also a part that says "command line" that seems much easier, is that also another method I can use? |
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| 23:02.28 | eclectichedgehog | yeah you should be able to do that |
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| 23:04.34 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: actually nevermind, at the end it says to "bring your interface up." How can I do that without having an interface in the first place? |
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| 23:05.38 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: after running "ifup wlan0" after editing /etc/network/interfaces should bring up the wifi right? |
| 23:06.04 | eclectichedgehog | it should do in theory |
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| 23:06.19 | holiday | eclectichedgehog: alright, thanks for all the help man. |
| 23:06.28 | Equa | use ip a to check the state |
| 23:06.28 | eclectichedgehog | no worries, good luck |
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| 23:18.52 | beastwick | I am trying to figure out if I have IOMMU enabled. As far as I know my motherboard supports vt-d. I am recompiling my kernel again for extra support, but dmesg output looks weird. |
| 23:19.04 | beastwick | http://pastebin.com/U8iaU6pd |
| 23:19.14 | beastwick | It looks like it is? |
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| 23:19.25 | beastwick | I have an intel chip/board |
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| 23:21.55 | thenewone | Hi |
| 23:22.02 | thenewone | why i cant install urxvt ? |
| 23:22.25 | zykotick9 | thenewone: rxvt-unicode you mean? |
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| 23:22.37 | thenewone | i tryed to install urxvt |
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| 23:22.43 | thenewone | not rxvt-unicode |
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| 23:23.00 | thenewone | sudo apt-get install urxvt |
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| 23:23.04 | thenewone | but this not working |
| 23:23.06 | zykotick9 | notes there is also rxvt-unicode-256color if you're into that sorta thing |
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| 23:24.12 | thenewone | i can configure it with the same way as urxvt ? |
| 23:24.23 | zykotick9 | it _is_ urxvt! |
| 23:24.29 | thenewone | ya urxvt |
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| 23:24.35 | DMJC | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.44 | DMJC | sorry |
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| 23:27.14 | thenewone | so there is no urxvt for debian ? |
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| 23:28.43 | arahael | thenewone: rxvt-unicode? |
| 23:28.43 | zykotick9 | thenewone: last try. urxvt = rxvt-unicode. rxvt-unicode will give you an executable called urxvt. BUT the package is called rvxt-unicode. |
| 23:28.58 | thenewone | zykotick9, ok thanks |
| 23:30.07 | thenewone | arahael, i think ya thanks |
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| 23:30.28 | zykotick9 | notes the typo in what that package is called... s/rvxt-unicode/rxvt-unicode/ |
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| 23:40.53 | Azazell | what's so bad about using flashplayer? |
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| 23:41.51 | x86iac | oracle |
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| 23:42.04 | x86iac | s/oracle/adobe/ |
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| 23:42.11 | zykotick9 | hehe |
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| 23:42.47 | x86iac | steve jobs last tweet was #adobedoesntmatter |
| 23:43.16 | x86iac | Azazell: gnash is pretty good .. these days |
| 23:43.49 | zykotick9 | x86iac: gnash is ok for video, still pretty poor with games/interactive-stuff... |
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| 23:44.18 | Azazell | hmm but adobe is not acceptable? |
| 23:44.42 | mtn | Azazell, use flash if you want to. who cares? |
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| 23:45.31 | Azazell | mtn, just wondering why everybody says it's bad |
| 23:45.39 | mtn | Azazell, millions of people use it |
| 23:46.05 | zykotick9 | mtn: millions of people listen to Britney Spears... just sayin ;) |
| 23:46.22 | mtn | zykotick9, sure, but who cares? it's not my ears ;) |
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| 23:58.50 | x86iac | Azazell: probably because this is security bulletin 4,232,244 for flash https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html |
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