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| 00:03.55 | Brigo | misterio, how did you send the bugreport? do you know there is a program for that? reportbug |
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| 00:04.12 | misterio | Brigo, I used that very program :) |
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| 00:05.00 | sorbolene | hey guys, can someone direct me to a # for iptables? |
| 00:05.32 | karlpinc | dimitry7: I think it's already disabled in jessie. See the readme.debian. For the general purpose config, see: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslciphersuite |
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| 00:05.39 | Brigo | misterio, ok :) |
| 00:05.42 | misterio | I read on the Debian installation notes that one should send an installation report even if no problem happened, in order to collect information, Brigo. |
| 00:05.43 | karlpinc | !tell dimitry7 about readme.debian |
| 00:05.50 | misterio | by the way, I'm metallic |
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| 00:05.53 | Brigo | sorbolene, #networking maybe. |
| 00:06.13 | sorbolene | will give it a shot, thanks Brigo |
| 00:06.18 | Brigo | misterio, ah, i didn't know. |
| 00:06.23 | misterio | ahora sà |
| 00:06.31 | karlpinc | sorbolene: You could ask here if you're running debian. |
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| 00:06.42 | dimitry7 | ok guys, thank you!! |
| 00:06.44 | misterio | Well, 2 AM here, goodbye |
| 00:07.24 | karlpinc | sorbolene: I prefer ferm to raw iptables, but you need to understand what you're doing and be able to read iptables regardless. |
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| 00:09.21 | sorbolene | karlpinc: basically i've attempted to forward port 3000 to 80 on a specific ip (my server is allowed 5) but i must be missing something. will paste what i have. what service do you use for pastes these days - its been a while.. |
| 00:09.43 | sorbolene | pastebin? |
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| 00:16.43 | pasky | Hi! Does Debian include some cron variant that allows non-system timezone to be used for a crontab (or its portion)? |
| 00:16.59 | uio | Hello - I am using a debian derivative and cannot seem to get the system beep (such as when removing the power-cord) to be muted. I tried, with no avail to modify blacklist.conf. Any suggestions ? |
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| 00:18.46 | qman__ | uio: if you have redundant power supplies, that beep is handles by the hardware and may not even be possible to turn off, refer to the manufacturer's documentation |
| 00:19.28 | qman__ | uio: the pcspkr module only handles beeps initiated by software, like the terminal bell |
| 00:19.45 | srg | Hi. I'm trying to install Debian Stable on a laptop. I'm booting from USB, the net installer image. I'm getting through the installer, but it says I need some non-free drivers. I searched the driver names on packages.debian.org and downloaded the firmware-realtek .deb file and one for broadcom. I put them on a separate USB drive (FAT32) and plugged it in, then hit "yes" on the installer to load them. However, |
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| 00:19.47 | uio | qman. Oh.. I see... |
| 00:19.48 | srg | it just keeps popping up again. It's not detecting them? |
| 00:20.28 | adabo-fail | Hey guys. I blew it... Big-time :( |
| 00:20.49 | PingBad | ? |
| 00:21.14 | maazu | srg: what laptop? do you know the model # of your card? |
| 00:21.32 | adabo-fail | anybody have the patience to help me fix my grub loader to see windows and debian again? |
| 00:21.36 | qman__ | Srg: it's looking for the firmware files, not the deb package |
| 00:21.59 | srg | qman__: So I have to extract the .deb on the USB drive? |
| 00:22.07 | qman__ | Yes |
| 00:22.08 | srg | maazu: It's a HP Probook 4545s |
| 00:22.11 | srg | Ok, thanks |
| 00:22.14 | maazu | qman__: it may be the hardware is soo new that it is not supported yet |
| 00:22.18 | sorbolene | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/Yf790bnt |
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| 00:22.41 | maazu | srg: i am using a HP Pavillion 15 and i have wifi and network card functional |
| 00:22.58 | maazu | srg: how new is this notebook? |
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| 00:23.57 | srg | maazu: about 3 years old |
| 00:24.08 | maazu | srg: should be ok |
| 00:24.23 | maazu | srg: my HP pavillion is only 2 years old |
| 00:25.02 | x86iac | uio: rmmod pcspkr |
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| 00:26.53 | srg | I'll try extracting the .deb and getting the specific ".fw" file it asks for |
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| 00:31.33 | adabo-fail | Is it possible to reconfigure grub so I can boot into windows and debian again? |
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| 00:33.17 | adabo-fail | While installing arch I installed grub on sda and lost windows and debian |
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| 00:33.43 | Brigo | adabo-fail, and where should you have installed it? |
| 00:34.37 | adabo-fail | Brigo I'm not sure. |
| 00:34.59 | Brigo | adabo-fail, what diks is the boot disk? |
| 00:35.10 | Brigo | you configure it in bios. |
| 00:35.47 | adabo-fail | The boot disk is sda. Where I have windows |
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| 00:36.05 | x86iac | brave |
| 00:36.07 | adabo-fail | Debian on sdb |
| 00:36.59 | adabo-fail | when I installed deb it put dual boot grub on sda |
| 00:37.29 | Brigo | adabo-fail, then you have to install grub in sda. |
| 00:37.50 | adabo-fail | I tried. Now only arch is on grub |
| 00:38.12 | Brigo | adabo-fail, well, that could be a misconfigured grub. |
| 00:38.36 | adabo-fail | sorry, I'm on mobile. Arch isn't working yet. |
| 00:39.41 | adabo-fail | Brigo but arch is accessible. I just can't get internet yet |
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| 00:40.15 | Brigo | adabo-fail, i can't tell you how to configure grub from arch, check the arch wiki, it is very good. |
| 00:40.17 | jelly | adabo-fail: you can boot debian manually from that grub's command line |
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| 00:40.41 | adabo-fail | Oh. Ok. That would help alot |
| 00:40.55 | adabo-fail | What do I tell it? |
| 00:41.14 | Brigo | adabo-fail, or use the install disk as rescue disk, chroot into debian partition and install grub from there. |
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| 00:42.01 | Brigo | adabo-fail, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/776643-how-to-rescue-a-non-booting-grub-2-on-linux/ |
| 00:42.07 | jelly | adabo-fail: set root=(hd1,0) if your debian is on /dev/sdb1, linux /boot/vmlinuz<TAB> root=/dev/sdb1, initrd /boot/initr<TAB>, boot |
| 00:42.15 | adabo-fail | Brigo which is easier? |
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| 00:42.47 | Brigo | adabo-fail, here you have a change to learn something installing arch :) |
| 00:42.56 | adabo-fail | Brigo ok. I can handle that. You're a saviour |
| 00:43.10 | jelly | adabo-fail: getting yourself acquainted with grub shell is useful, and next time you may not have to search for an install or rescue or live image |
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| 00:43.41 | adabo-fail | One moment. |
| 00:44.36 | Brigo | even grub command line with autocompletion, amazing! :) |
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| 00:45.16 | adabo-fail | Brigo editing grub is permanent? |
| 00:45.29 | Brigo | from the menu? |
| 00:45.33 | adabo-fail | yes |
| 00:45.34 | Brigo | no |
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| 00:45.52 | Brigo | adabo-fail, you have to use install-grub to modify it. |
| 00:45.53 | adabo-fail | Good. No fear of brickimg |
| 00:45.58 | adabo-fail | ok |
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| 00:47.19 | x86iac | i can see the logic .. if iphone had cdrom/dvd then it couldn't be bricked |
| 00:48.20 | adabo-fail | Brigo I replace the linux lime exactly like you put? |
| 00:48.28 | adabo-fail | line* |
| 00:49.00 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.39 | Brigo | adabo-fail, tab is for autocompletion feature. |
| 00:49.41 | jelly | setting the correct root filesystem for the debian installation first is important |
| 00:49.51 | adabo-fail | rw quiet? |
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| 00:50.13 | jelly | both "rw" and "quiet" are optional, not really needed |
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| 00:50.19 | adabo-fail | ok |
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| 00:53.58 | adabo-fail | "Root device mounted successfully, but /sbin/init does not exist. Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck." |
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| 00:54.30 | adabo-fail | is ashamed |
| 00:54.47 | adabo-fail | -_- |
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| 00:57.34 | Brigo | adabo-fail, do you get a command line? |
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| 00:58.17 | adabo-fail | Brigo yeah. It's a little different |
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| 00:59.12 | adabo-fail | [rootfs /]# |
| 00:59.25 | Brigo | adabo-fail, that is the initramfs. |
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| 01:00.21 | Brigo | is the root partition mounted? |
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| 01:00.41 | adabo-fail | how can I see? |
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| 01:01.56 | Brigo | adabo-fail, mount |
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| 01:02.33 | adabo-fail | yes |
| 01:02.52 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.15 | adabo-fail | Brigo yes it does |
| 01:04.41 | Brigo | is /proc mounted? |
| 01:05.16 | adabo-fail | proc on /proc type proc |
| 01:05.43 | Brigo | what is the output of cat /proc/1/comm |
| 01:06.13 | adabo-fail | Brigo sh |
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| 01:07.34 | Brigo | i can't see why /sbin/init was not found. |
| 01:07.46 | Brigo | anyway, you can try to install grub now. |
| 01:09.15 | adabo-fail | Brigo I said /sbin/init exists |
| 01:10.05 | Brigo | adabo-fail, and i said i can't see why the system could not find it as it said "Root device mounted successfully, but /sbin/init does not exist. Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck." |
| 01:10.20 | adabo-fail | Ohh |
| 01:10.48 | adabo-fail | Brigo so now I go to arch linux wiki to fix grub? |
| 01:11.25 | Brigo | adabo-fail, no, you are now in debian, you can configure grub with debina tools. If they works out in this environment. |
| 01:11.31 | Brigo | try update-grub |
| 01:11.36 | adabo-fail | ok |
| 01:12.18 | adabo-fail | Brigo update-grub: not found |
| 01:12.39 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.55 | Brigo | you have not PATH environmet variables set. |
| 01:13.42 | adabo-fail | 0_0 |
| 01:14.41 | adabo-fail | Brigo i hope you have a pot of coffee ready :s |
| 01:14.56 | adabo-fail | for long night o_O |
| 01:14.58 | Brigo | adabo-fail, no, i don't :) |
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| 01:15.33 | adabo-fail | gives Brigo cup of coffee |
| 01:15.42 | Brigo | XD |
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| 01:15.57 | Brigo | adabo-fail, i guess it fails. |
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| 01:23.53 | adabo-fail | Brigo I don't know what to do about path |
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| 01:24.18 | Brigo | adabo-fail, it is not really important, just run /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 01:24.40 | llemma | whose blood is correct for inscribing the pentagram to get steam working in amd64 |
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| 01:26.08 | adabo-fail | Brigo sh: /usr/sbin/update-grub: not found |
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| 01:26.35 | Brigo | adabo-fail, do you have /usr in other partition? |
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| 01:26.59 | adabo-fail | checking |
| 01:27.27 | adabo-fail | you mean new arch partition? |
| 01:27.52 | adabo-fail | I need to reboot to find out |
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| 01:31.48 | Brigo | adabo-fail, no, i meant debian. |
| 01:31.58 | Brigo | you install all the system in one partition? |
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| 01:32.32 | llemma | debian's total solid as long as you want 2 years ago's system standards |
| 01:33.08 | llemma | for all its alleged benefits ive never seen it in use in a commercial context |
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| 01:35.32 | adabo-fail | Brigo denial on one partion. And one swap partition |
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| 01:35.47 | adabo-fail | debian* |
| 01:35.57 | Brigo | adabo-fail, then why isn't update-grub there? |
| 01:36.28 | adabo-fail | Brigo I don't know. |
| 01:36.44 | Brigo | dpkg -l grub2-common, for checking if the package is installed. |
| 01:36.45 | dpkg | ii grub2-common, for checking if the package is installed. 2.4-12.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 01:39.43 | adabo-fail | Brigo no dpkg |
| 01:40.05 | Brigo | adabo-fail, /usr/bin/dpkg -l grub2-common |
| 01:40.18 | adabo-fail | ohhh I'm in sbin |
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| 01:41.40 | adabo-fail | Brigo still no dpkg |
| 01:42.02 | Brigo | adabo-fail, is there something at all in /usr ? |
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| 01:42.59 | adabo-fail | bin lib lib64 local sbin |
| 01:43.18 | adabo-fail | bin/ has many many things |
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| 01:43.39 | Brigo | but not dpkg nor update-grub, weird. |
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| 01:43.47 | adabo-fail | Hmm. |
| 01:45.17 | llemma | Is e17 (the window manager) generally considered to be solid? |
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| 01:48.10 | Brigo | adabo-fail, i would like to check logs and find what happends with that system, but not today, it is a bit later for me. |
| 01:48.17 | Brigo | late* |
| 01:48.39 | adabo-fail | Brigo understood |
| 01:48.55 | adabo-fail | Brigo thank you very much. Once again. |
| 01:49.06 | adabo-fail | I really messed up this time |
| 01:49.25 | Brigo | adabo-fail, well it a way to learn :) |
| 01:49.44 | llemma | General actual question: Is it better to get everything working under stable, then go to testing, or better to dodge the likely redundancy and go strait for testing on a minimal new system, then add things from there? |
| 01:50.00 | allure | hey guys... when rsync is used with -P (--progress), what does this things mean: 922.00K 100% 84.42kB/s 0:00:10 (xfr#317, ir-chk=1014/430302) |
| 01:50.01 | adabo-fail | true. Do you think I have a hope to get windows and debian back? |
| 01:50.19 | allure | I mean, what does ir-chk=1014/430302 means? |
| 01:52.27 | Brigo | adabo-fail, yes, you just have to reinstall grub, it was weird that arch grub does not detected and configured windows and debian. |
| 01:52.28 | tekzilla | llemma: if you want to go for testing anyway, why go through the potential trouble of upgrading packages |
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| 01:53.16 | adabo-fail | Brigo. Hmm reinstall sounds easy. I will try |
| 01:53.36 | Brigo | adabo-fail, reinstall grub i meant. |
| 01:54.03 | Brigo | you can try the debian install disk and go to advances option --> rescue mode. |
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| 01:54.47 | llemma | tekzilla: because i haven't figured out how to fix the broken packages i run into when i go straight from minimal stable to testing |
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| 01:55.01 | adabo-fail | Brigo install disk gone. Was usb. Formatted for arch |
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| 01:55.39 | Brigo | make it again wihtin arch. |
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| 01:55.49 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 01:55.57 | AlexLikeRock | tengop un conflickto de red |
| 01:55.58 | tekzilla | llemma: testing really isnt that bad, and you'll have to decide anyway :) |
| 01:56.02 | llemma | . o O ( if it's not making you angry you're not learning ) |
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| 01:56.15 | tekzilla | maybe a good idea to keep a stable iso/system around somewhere |
| 01:56.46 | allure | any1 knows what does ir-chk=1014/430302 on rsync -P means? I cant find anything about it on google |
| 01:56.47 | AlexLikeRock | help a conflick of land |
| 01:56.47 | Brigo | adabo-fail, you can try to ask arch too, may be they can help |
| 01:56.51 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 01:56.53 | llemma | I'm coming back after years off domestic use of linux. I never used to bother trying to make graphics and sound perform etc |
| 01:57.34 | llemma | stracing servers is much easier than this lol |
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| 01:58.17 | adabo-fail | Brigo can't. Irc login credentials encrypeted in database. |
| 01:58.40 | tekzilla | hehe yeah thats true, running servers on stable with small steady upgrades is nicer |
| 01:58.45 | adabo-fail | #archlinux only accept registered |
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| 01:59.26 | svetlana | if it is an archlinux question then you have to register or use their mailing list/forum |
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| 01:59.48 | allure | okay, I managed to find an answer: The output of the --progress option has changed: the string "xfer" was shortened to "xfr", and the string "to-check" was shortened to "to-chk", both designed to make room for the (by default) wider display of file size numbers without making the total line-length longer. Also, when incremental recursion is enabled, the string "ir-chk" will be used instead of "to-chk" up un |
| 01:59.53 | tekzilla | there might be issues with the proprietary ATI drivers etc on testing from time to time |
| 01:59.54 | allure | til the incremental-recursion scan is done, letting you know that the value to check and the total value will still be increasing as new files are found. |
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| 02:00.03 | tekzilla | but overall it should work very well as a desktop/home machine |
| 02:00.25 | llemma | tekzilla: heh that was redhat at a previous job |
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| 02:03.53 | uio | Hi - just wondering if security updates can still be made for crunchbang ? I tried apt-get udpate and couldn't connect to packages.crunchbang.org.... I guess I was wondering what is obtained directly from debian and what is not... |
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| 02:04.32 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 02:04.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:05.16 | tekzilla | llemma: never used it, but seems they are contributing lots of important stuff |
| 02:06.07 | llemma | it seems pretty irrational if you're used to deb |
| 02:06.49 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 02:06.53 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 02:07.16 | AlexLikeRock | transfer Internet from WIFI to Eth |
| 02:07.18 | uio | peterrooney: Okay... you don't know either. Thanks anyways. |
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| 02:07.50 | AlexLikeRock | help |
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| 02:09.13 | uio | AlexLikeRock: I don't know anything... but I suspect that more details would be required by anyone who could help you. |
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| 02:11.28 | AlexLikeRock | i share INTERNET from WIFI to Eth , by this tuto http://www.espaciolinux.com/foros/redes-servidores/como-compartir-internet-wireless-por-ethernet-tutorial-t49914.html uio |
| 02:12.16 | AlexLikeRock | then after months i tray make may PC SERVER DHCP , by many trys |
| 02:12.54 | AlexLikeRock | now i tri again to share internet from WIFI to eth |
| 02:12.58 | uio | AlexLikeRock: Sorry, but I know nothing about all that... hopefully someone here does. |
| 02:13.09 | AlexLikeRock | say one name |
| 02:13.12 | AlexLikeRock | uio, |
| 02:13.30 | uio | AlexLikeRock: ? |
| 02:13.36 | mitlik | uio: I thought crunchbang was abandonded and distilled down into an install/config script sort of thing. |
| 02:13.40 | AlexLikeRock | anyone to helpme |
| 02:14.31 | x86iac | AlexLikeRock: you want to nat your wifi? |
| 02:14.38 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 02:14.52 | uio | mitlik: Well, I know it was abandoned, but one can still download it. Just worried about the security updates. Are there any other Debian derivatives like it ? |
| 02:15.09 | tekzilla | karlpinc: just for completeness, about the ISO booting issue earlier, where it would boot on the VM mounted as a CDROM and not on hardware from USB.. i didnt realize that plain iso9660 images (which genisoimage generates) dont have an MBR, the BIOS looks for the bootfiles in a known location on its own, i needed to create a hybrid ISO with xorriso (using an MBR template file which is part of the isolinux- |
| 02:15.15 | tekzilla | package) |
| 02:15.19 | AlexLikeRock | x86iac, helpme |
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| 02:17.06 | x86iac | do you have echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 02:18.19 | x86iac | if your lan network is 192.168.10.0 then the following nat for iptables is what i use |
| 02:18.22 | x86iac | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.10.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 02:18.25 | x86iac | iptables -A FORWARD -t filter -o eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 02:18.29 | x86iac | iptables -A FORWARD -t filter -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 02:20.35 | x86iac | you need to be able to ping from and to all machines in the network |
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| 02:21.01 | AlexLikeRock | my ip for my debian its 192.168.1.X |
| 02:21.21 | AlexLikeRock | remplace 192.168.10.0 for 192.168.1.0 ? |
| 02:21.21 | x86iac | so change what i did to 192.168.1.0 |
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| 02:21.27 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 02:21.35 | r00tobo | it must be on the same range too |
| 02:21.46 | r00tobo | if you are using /24 |
| 02:21.50 | r00tobo | or /8 etc... |
| 02:21.58 | x86iac | right |
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| 02:24.42 | AlexLikeRock | not work |
| 02:25.08 | mitlik | SOrry uio, all I can recall is hearing a story or two on LinuxLuddites. A couple of searches have left me thinking I remembered something different than what was actually discussed. |
| 02:25.17 | AlexLikeRock | abtainig an IP address |
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| 02:28.43 | AlexLikeRock | x86iac, and r00t-err0r http://paste.debian.net/292077/ |
| 02:28.54 | AlexLikeRock | lock like working |
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| 02:29.11 | AlexLikeRock | i can not get IP |
| 02:29.20 | x86iac | AlexLikeRock: use eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 02:29.29 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 02:29.42 | AlexLikeRock | this name have my device |
| 02:29.57 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.14 | x86iac | what is wlx6466b31d154e |
| 02:30.15 | AlexLikeRock | x86iac, this no a problem |
| 02:30.20 | AlexLikeRock | my WIF |
| 02:30.31 | AlexLikeRock | wlx6466b31d154e = WIFI device |
| 02:31.06 | x86iac | then you want that name instead of my ra0 |
| 02:32.00 | AlexLikeRock | what its "ra0" ? |
| 02:32.24 | x86iac | it was my wireless |
| 02:32.34 | x86iac | instead of my eth0 |
| 02:32.56 | AlexLikeRock | im confuce |
| 02:33.01 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.21 | AlexLikeRock | r00t-err0r, |
| 02:33.25 | AlexLikeRock | whta you tinck ? |
| 02:33.48 | x86iac | i have to leave in a few minuteiptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ra0 -s 192.168.10.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 02:33.51 | x86iac | iptables -A FORWARD -t filter -o ra0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 02:33.54 | x86iac | iptables -A FORWARD -t filter -i ra0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 02:33.56 | r00tobo | I dunno! |
| 02:33.57 | x86iac | # |
| 02:34.06 | x86iac | replace your wlx..... to my ra0 |
| 02:34.08 | r00tobo | wl01 or anything you would like |
| 02:34.10 | maxdml | Hi there. I have a script calling, somewhere, the nice command, but even if I add a line in the sudoers to allow them the /bin/nice command, as they're not calling it directory, they are spit a "permission denied" |
| 02:34.24 | maxdml | would anyone know a way to solve that please? :) |
| 02:34.39 | maxdml | s/directory/directly |
| 02:35.24 | x86iac | don't forget on all computers echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:37.13 | AlexLikeRock | reboot networkin ? x86iac |
| 02:37.21 | AlexLikeRock | or network manager ? |
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| 02:37.24 | x86iac | no need to reboot |
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| 02:38.00 | x86iac | you can clear to iptables with iptables -F |
| 02:38.00 | x86iac | iptables -Z |
| 02:38.00 | x86iac | iptables -t nat -F |
| 02:38.00 | x86iac | iptables -t nat -Z |
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| 02:38.38 | x86iac | did you get that all |
| 02:38.48 | maxdml | <x86iac> you can clear to iptables with iptables -F |
| 02:38.48 | maxdml | <x86iac> iptables -Z |
| 02:38.48 | maxdml | <x86iac> iptables -t nat -F |
| 02:38.48 | maxdml | <x86iac> iptables -t nat -Z |
| 02:38.48 | *** kick/#debian [maxdml!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.) |
| 02:38.49 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 02:38.55 | mitlik | lol |
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| 02:39.05 | AlexLikeRock | o boy |
| 02:39.12 | maxdml | \o/ |
| 02:39.14 | AlexLikeRock | do not paste all txt |
| 02:39.29 | x86iac | you need your wifi instead of my ra0 |
| 02:39.51 | AlexLikeRock | use http://paste.debian.net x86iac mitlik maxdml |
| 02:40.06 | x86iac | those 4 lines are all you need to flush the nat from iptables |
| 02:40.29 | x86iac | lol begin told about pastebin |
| 02:41.32 | x86iac | put the 4 flush lines in a script followed by the echo line and then the 3 nat iptables - so you can play with it |
| 02:41.37 | x86iac | and chmod 700 it |
| 02:41.47 | x86iac | it needs to be run as root |
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| 02:41.58 | AlexLikeRock | not work :-( |
| 02:42.10 | AlexLikeRock | i have somting worng :-( |
| 02:43.40 | x86iac | goot luck |
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| 02:48.39 | AlexLikeRock | any one ? |
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| 03:06.15 | srg | I installed `gnome` and `gdm` and `xserver-xorg-radeon` but when I `startx` it says no screens found |
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| 03:08.13 | srg | the video card is a AMD Radeon HD 7520G |
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| 03:09.15 | dvs | srg: firmware-linux-nonfree package installed? |
| 03:10.10 | srg | let me check |
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| 03:12.21 | srg | yep it is dvs |
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| 03:13.36 | dvs | srg: Look for "(EE)" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:17.08 | srg | I got it dvs, I installed xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 03:17.29 | srg | gdm starts and I can log in, but the mouse doesn't show up O_o |
| 03:17.38 | srg | I'll have to do more googling to get this all working |
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| 03:27.40 | pawz_ | Hi, I'm trying to avoid a proxmox package from conflicting with watchdog on my system. i made a dummy package of watchdog and installed it, but now every time I run apt it falls over due to the proxmox package still conflicting. |
| 03:28.19 | pawz_ | I don't want to dummy the proxmox package or i'll break updates. so I am wondering.. is there some global way to override the control file in that package without editing it ? |
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| 03:29.47 | pawz_ | i can use equivs to create a new control for watchdog.. but that's not the one I want to override. I'm sure this must be possible but I seem to be coming at it the wrong way all the time. I'm stumbling around with equivs-control with no luck |
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| 03:36.40 | panzeroceania | is there a specific channel for help / troubleshooting? |
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| 03:37.34 | jmcnaught | panzeroceania: this is a Debian support channel. If you need help feel free to ask, if someone can help they will :) |
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| 03:42.12 | llemma | during the remove |
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| 04:14.20 | fifi-v | hi all, I'm trying to clean up my postgresql installation. `sudo apt-get remove postgresql-9.3` returns `The following packages have unmet dependencies` (full info: http://dpaste.com/2PHMABC), any idea? |
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| 04:17.20 | fifi-v | now I'd like just remove everything psql related things and start from scratch |
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| 04:49.55 | zakk_ | Holy botserv. |
| 04:49.59 | zakk_ | Hi |
| 04:50.36 | zakk_ | I was wondering if you could tell me how to install this off-line http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/qt4-x11_4.8.7+dfsg-3.debian.tar.xz |
| 04:51.06 | zakk_ | I can't find a comprehensive tut anywhere |
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| 04:57.15 | svetlana | zakk_, is qt4-x11 not in the repositories? |
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| 04:58.08 | zakk_ | I have no idea I'm actually using another platform:D:D:D |
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| 05:02.35 | jmcnaught | zakk_: the URL you provided links to the changes/additions made by Debian to produce the qt4 package, it is meant to go along with a corresponding .orig.tar.xz file. You probably want to install the .deb package. Normally you would use apt-get or one of its friends. If you need to install offline, you can use the dpkg command, but you'll probably also need to install dependencies manually first. |
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| 05:05.23 | zakk_ | Right would you happen to know any guide to installing dependencies |
| 05:05.39 | zakk_ | I have no idea how to do this lol! |
| 05:05.49 | zakk_ | Sorry :/ |
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| 05:07.24 | zakk_ | Because I actually need the dependencies to compile unetbootin offline:/ |
| 05:08.52 | jmcnaught | zakk_: apt-get installs dependencies automatically. https://debian-handbook.info/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html both have chapters about installing packages in Debian. |
| 05:09.08 | jmcnaught | zakk_: why do you need to compile unetbootin? What are you trying to do? |
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| 05:10.31 | zakk_ | Offline? |
| 05:10.44 | zakk_ | I'm offline here. |
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| 05:12.41 | jmcnaught | zakk_: you seem online to me. If you're trying to compile unetbooin on a computer without an internet connection, maybe do it on a computer with a connection instead? I'm still not sure what you're trying to accomplish, if you provide more details i might be able to help |
| 05:13.47 | karlpinc | zakk_: If you're offline the first step is to get at least some of the debian dvds. Then you use apt-get (or aptitude) to install from that by adjusting your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:18.47 | Chocolate_Chip | I uninstalled KDE so now I only have LXDE. Now my GUI login screen is gone. What package replaces this? Can I apt-get it back? |
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| 05:20.23 | svetlana | it probably was lightdm or gdm. check your /var/log/apt/history.log or try to 'sudo service ****** restart', replacing the ***** with the name of the dm. |
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| 05:20.52 | zakk_ | Ty karlpinc I will try that shortly |
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| 05:24.22 | Chocolate_Chip | Does LXDE have a dm of its own? |
| 05:25.03 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm using X11. |
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| 05:26.25 | TJ- | Chocolate_Chip: see http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDM |
| 05:27.23 | Chocolate_Chip | Thanks. Can I get this from the debian repository, or do I have to use a tarball? |
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| 05:32.10 | TJ- | dpkg: tell Chocolate_Chip about lxdm |
| 05:32.42 | Chocolate_Chip | Nothing happened, so I assume no |
| 05:33.05 | TJ- | Chocolate_Chip: More likely I have the command syntax for dpkg wrong :) |
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| 05:34.10 | TJ- | Chocolate_Chip: see https://packages.debian.org/sid/lxdm |
| 05:34.27 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm in jesse though. So I can't use it? |
| 05:35.44 | Chocolate_Chip | this tarball says I need glib |
| 05:36.12 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: lightdm is a popular choice. lxdm is not in jessie. i would install it from the debian repos, not a tarball |
| 05:36.21 | Chocolate_Chip | K |
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| 05:41.34 | katyucha | Hi |
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| 05:41.44 | Chocolate_Chip | I installed lightdm. Gonna restart and see if it works right |
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| 05:45.10 | namoamitabuddha | How can I search out all non-free/contrib packages installed on a debian sys? |
| 05:45.20 | namoamitabuddha | via aptitude, etc |
| 05:45.29 | zakk_ | Still couldn't get it to work |
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| 05:46.00 | zakk_ | Shame there is no actual man for off-line installation of source dependency packages |
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| 05:46.11 | zakk_ | I'm pretty much looking everywhere for the information |
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| 05:48.30 | wufufufu | when i'm setting urxvt font for terminus |
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| 05:49.03 | wufufufu | it doesn't let me set size 8x14 or 8x16 or 6x12 separately. it just has one font for anything below xft:terminus:size=9 |
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| 05:55.29 | Chocolate_Chip | My non-znc Ip was banned for some reason |
| 05:55.41 | Chocolate_Chip | I installed Lightdm, and now I can only log in as root |
| 05:55.43 | Chocolate_Chip | Please help |
| 05:56.22 | GnikLlort | lol |
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| 06:04.46 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: can you log in as a regular user on a virtual console? |
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| 06:09.48 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, remind me how to do that |
| 06:10.30 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: Ctrl+Alt+F1 (Alt+F7 to get bach to GUI) |
| 06:10.56 | Chocolate_Chip | Yes, I can |
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| 06:11.55 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, yes I can |
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| 06:13.09 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: do you get an error message when you try to log in as a regular user in lightdm? |
| 06:13.14 | Chocolate_Chip | nO |
| 06:13.41 | Chocolate_Chip | The screen turned balck and it appeared as if the manager restarted |
| 06:14.21 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: you could look at /var/log/auth.log, or try checking the journal ("journalctl -u gdm --since -2m" maybe right after a log in attempt?) |
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| 06:14.49 | Chocolate_Chip | journalctl -u gdm --since -2m gives back a single line |
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| 06:14.57 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: that actually sounds like your desktop environment simply failing to start and logging you out immediately |
| 06:15.06 | Chocolate_Chip | But root works |
| 06:15.29 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: the -2m part means "last two minutes" so make sure you run that command immediately after a log in attempt, or increase the number |
| 06:15.30 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm using LXDE and LightDM |
| 06:15.38 | Chocolate_Chip | Oh. Ok |
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| 06:17.00 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: i don't use lightdm, but most display managers let you select a session type, are there any other choices besides lxde? |
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| 06:17.20 | Chocolate_Chip | I did it |
| 06:17.30 | Chocolate_Chip | There was no output in the log |
| 06:18.09 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: can you try a different type of session, do you have any other window managers or desktop environments installed? |
| 06:18.24 | Chocolate_Chip | Wait. I got it |
| 06:18.33 | Chocolate_Chip | in the auth.log, it has output |
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| 06:18.39 | Chocolate_Chip | It says I entered my password wrong |
| 06:18.42 | Chocolate_Chip | That isn't true |
| 06:18.52 | Chocolate_Chip | I couldn't have entered it wrong 14 time |
| 06:19.16 | jmcnaught | Are you using more than one keyboard layout on the computer? capslock maybe? |
| 06:20.01 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: does auth.log have the wrong password error 14 times? |
| 06:20.25 | Chocolate_Chip | Nope. One keyboaRD LAYOUT |
| 06:20.27 | Chocolate_Chip | nO CAPS |
| 06:20.35 | Chocolate_Chip | wAIT. i WAS READING THE WRONG PART OG THE LOG |
| 06:20.36 | Chocolate_Chip | dAMN IT |
| 06:20.47 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: are you sure about the capslock? :P |
| 06:21.35 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: the next thing i would try is making another user and seeing if that works. in a shell as root you can use the command "adduser newuser" |
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| 06:21.58 | Chocolate_Chip | http://pastebin.com/naLYppEK |
| 06:22.13 | x86_64 | how can i install ´sha512´ to work |
| 06:22.22 | x86_64 | right now: sha512 gives command not found |
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| 06:23.12 | jmcnaught | x86_64: do you mean sha512sum? |
| 06:23.18 | x86_64 | yes |
| 06:23.32 | x86_64 | ah |
| 06:23.34 | x86_64 | thanks |
| 06:24.41 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, http://pastebin.com/naLYppEK |
| 06:25.13 | Chocolate_Chip | Wow. I pasted it here, 171 views already |
| 06:25.16 | Chocolate_Chip | How odd |
| 06:25.31 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: yes i saw that, it looks like the choco user logs in, then gets logged out immediately. did you try another user? |
| 06:25.43 | Chocolate_Chip | I'll try that now |
| 06:26.41 | Chocolate_Chip | Making a new user logs in |
| 06:26.48 | Chocolate_Chip | How do I delete a user? |
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| 06:27.20 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, it logs in |
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| 06:28.30 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: cool. so your original user has some config that is screwed up, makes it log out right away. The deluser command can delete accounts, you should check the man page for it if you want to know how to get it to remove the home directory and files |
| 06:28.50 | Chocolate_Chip | Ok. I'll do that in a bit |
| 06:29.06 | Chocolate_Chip | But what about hte main problem. How do I fix whatever config is broken |
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| 06:30.32 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: LXDE most likely keeps its per-user config in ~/.config so you could look for an lxde directory in there, and move it somewhere else so next time you log in it gets created fresh |
| 06:31.26 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: that said LXDE per-user config might be somewhere else, i don't know it |
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| 07:00.24 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, i found the error. /home/choco/.Xathority times out when locking |
| 07:00.28 | Chocolate_Chip | Is what it told me |
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| 07:02.51 | Chocolate_Chip | I can no longer do Startx with my user account\ |
| 07:02.56 | Chocolate_Chip | I could at first |
| 07:03.15 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: try renaming that file ("mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.old") |
| 07:03.58 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: if you've still got lightdm running don't use startx |
| 07:04.11 | Chocolate_Chip | I just removed it\ |
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| 07:04.59 | Chocolate_Chip | changing it to .old alllowed me to startx |
| 07:05.13 | Chocolate_Chip | I'll try reinstalling lightdm |
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| 07:07.36 | Chocolate_Chip | It worked |
| 07:07.39 | Chocolate_Chip | What a simple fix |
| 07:07.42 | Chocolate_Chip | Thank you |
| 07:07.53 | Chocolate_Chip | I'll switch back to my main account now |
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| 07:10.34 | valera_rozuvan | Hi all. |
| 07:11.36 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: How are you calling startx and what kind of configuration do you use? Any particular reason why you don't use a login manager? |
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| 07:16.01 | Chocolate_Chip | babilen, only reason I was using startx was because I was having errors with the login manager I reinstalled after removing KDE |
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| 07:16.05 | Chocolate_Chip | I fixed it now |
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| 07:17.40 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: Okay, so you are no longer using startx? |
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| 07:19.07 | break3r | hey guys, wasn't there a website where you could see on which hardware debian is running smooth? |
| 07:19.18 | break3r | does anyone remember and give me the url? |
| 07:19.30 | babilen | I ask because a lot of people simply run "startx" which does not retain session permissions and would cause problems with software such as, but not limited to, NetworkManager. Would be important to call it as "startx -- vt$XDG_VTNR" and to make sure that dbus and logind are correctly initialised. |
| 07:20.06 | babilen | break3r: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ ? |
| 07:20.36 | break3r | thats it, thanks babilen |
| 07:20.40 | babilen | np |
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| 07:26.03 | Chocolate_Chip | babilen, not anymore, no. |
| 07:26.03 | Chocolate_Chip | It seems that when I do apt-get remove --purge it doesn't eork |
| 07:26.03 | Chocolate_Chip | Is that improper syntax? |
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| 07:26.10 | Chocolate_Chip | While I'm here, maybe you could help me with my wireless. Every 15 minutes or so, my wireless drops. I have to go to wicd, disconnect the connection, reconnect the connection, and then wait for the interent to resume |
| 07:26.34 | Chocolate_Chip | My dongle drivers are from realtek-firmware (nonfree) |
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| 07:27.16 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: Define "doesn't work" please. What are you trying to do, what did you do and what happens instead? |
| 07:27.38 | Chocolate_Chip | It uninstalls the packages, but the config files remain |
| 07:27.54 | babilen | Oh, wicd is nothing I've used ever since the project died some years ago. (it has since then been resurrected) |
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| 07:28.14 | Chocolate_Chip | like, sudo apt-get remove --purge lxde && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install lxde |
| 07:28.33 | Chocolate_Chip | All the lxde confiog files remain after I reinstall, and it's obvious |
| 07:28.37 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: Could you paste your commands and other relevant information about your purging problem to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 07:28.44 | Chocolate_Chip | Now I have an apt-get error |
| 07:29.09 | babilen | Well, when you run "apt-get autoremove" it doesn't purge the packages. You would have to run "apt-get --purge autoremove" for that to happen. |
| 07:29.20 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
| 07:29.26 | Chocolate_Chip | I think I broke my distribution |
| 07:29.31 | babilen | Well done. |
| 07:29.38 | Chocolate_Chip | http://paste.debian.net/292102/ |
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| 07:29.42 | Chocolate_Chip | What does this mean |
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| 07:31.29 | Chocolate_Chip | it fixed itself |
| 07:31.38 | Chocolate_Chip | Ugh. IUt was cuz the wireless droped |
| 07:31.42 | Chocolate_Chip | So many errors |
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| 07:31.45 | babilen | It means that your system has problems resolving "pkg.tox.chat" -- What does "host pkg.tox.chat" give you? (btw, that isn't a Debian repository and therefore not supported in here) |
| 07:31.57 | babilen | I *really* wouldn't use wicd. |
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| 07:33.48 | jelly | oh dear, .chat is a valid TLD now? |
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| 07:34.34 | babilen | It is indeed, yeah. Along with a bazillion other gTLDs |
| 07:34.40 | break3r | thx for information, jelly |
| 07:34.53 | GNU\colossus | yay for licenses for printing money, right? :) |
| 07:35.06 | GNU\colossus | .sucks is the best one. |
| 07:35.07 | babilen | (more in #debian-offtopic please) |
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| 07:37.21 | Chocolate_Chip | What would you suggest besides wicd |
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| 07:37.43 | CtrlC | Hi guys in which package exactly can I find boost shared_ptr library? I don't want to install the whole boost libs. |
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| 07:41.55 | TJ8 | I ran apt-get update and it downloaded 26files it said, where are these located? |
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| 07:43.56 | GnikLlort | TJ8, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:44.06 | TJ8 | I looked there but its empty |
| 07:44.32 | TJ8 | i get stuff there if i use apt-get upgrade or install, but I need the location for update |
| 07:45.21 | GnikLlort | that I dont know tbh |
| 07:45.25 | b-tag | guys, can you think of any handy manual how to install devstack (openstack development) on a debian virtualbox guest? |
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| 07:57.13 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm runing LXDE, so network manager is out |
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| 08:09.29 | TJ8 | anyone know where the package for apt-get update go? im not talking about the normal location of apt/archive? |
| 08:09.39 | TJ8 | packages* |
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| 08:30.10 | gox39 | hi people, how do you store the output of a command into a variable in bash? the out of my command of interest is "hcitool scan" |
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| 08:32.18 | bezaban | gox39: VAR=`command` |
| 08:32.33 | bezaban | if it goes to stdout |
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| 08:46.26 | ChrisH | gox39: or: VAR=$(command) |
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| 08:46.59 | gox39 | ChrisH: thank you |
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| 09:19.40 | filenox | fuck logic, who can solve this mount issue? http://pastebin.com/9gvWSaXs |
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| 09:20.35 | jelly | filenox: which debian release is this, and is it really debian or raspbian? |
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| 09:21.00 | filenox | jelly, jessie & raspbian |
| 09:21.05 | jelly | filenox: with remount, you do not need to provide the device node again, just the mountpoint should be enough |
| 09:21.09 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 09:21.09 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 09:21.51 | filenox | Mmm alright :) |
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| 09:24.21 | mamins1376 | Hi |
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| 09:25.31 | mamins1376 | i set up postfix, but gmail blocks my mails as spam. is there any way to fix that? |
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| 09:26.30 | SynrGy | not sure what that has to do with postfix. usually it means your IP has landed on an RBL |
| 09:26.51 | mamins1376 | i wanna use it to mail ip of my system to me |
| 09:26.58 | mamins1376 | what can i do? |
| 09:26.58 | SynrGy | if you're on a dynamic IP#, your IP block may be listed |
| 09:27.19 | SynrGy | usually you use your ISP's mail host as a smarthost to get around this issue |
| 09:28.08 | mamins1376 | i could not understand what actually smarthost is! |
| 09:28.36 | mamins1376 | what it does? |
| 09:29.00 | jelly | mamins1376: a number of things. Set up FcrDNS. Make sure only authenticated users can send using your system. Set up DMARC if possible. You have a lot to learn if you plan on managing your own mail server. |
| 09:29.26 | SynrGy | see transport. |
| 09:29.32 | SynrGy | e.g. i have * smtp:[smtp.eastlink.ca] |
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| 09:29.55 | SynrGy | and yes, read up :) |
| 09:30.03 | jelly | (and yes, you need a static IP assignment if you send mail directly instead of passing it all to a smarthost) |
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| 09:30.46 | mamins1376 | thanks friends, i'll read it. |
| 09:31.21 | jelly | mamins1376: if you just need to pass messages to a smarthost, postfix is overkill. Consider using a null client like msmtp-mta or nullmailer or ssmtp. |
| 09:31.59 | SynrGy | mamins1376: see examples in transport(5) |
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| 09:33.16 | mamins1376 | i use these: wget for finding my external ip out, mail from mailutils package for communicating with MTA, and Postfix as MTA |
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| 09:41.35 | mamins1376 | nullmailer seems to be useful, thanks +jelly. |
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| 09:42.06 | jelly | mamins1376: if you have a dynamic IP address, it's not worth bothering with direct delivery -- your success rate _will_ be low |
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| 09:43.00 | phix | direct delivery? |
| 09:43.08 | phix | sorry I just joined :) |
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| 09:44.02 | mamins1376 | i am new here too ⺠|
| 09:44.26 | phix | ⺠|
| 09:44.52 | mamins1376 | why there is a plus before every message? |
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| 09:45.58 | aphid4 | I have a virtual network interface on a server connected via a trunking switch to a real interface which connects via several fiber switches to several routers, each router having its own separate virtual network. Three of the networks function, four more do not, not receiving anything. |
| 09:47.07 | aphid4 | Is there any possible way the debian server could cause an issue? (TC is set up, with filters matching the IP ranges of the networks) |
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| 09:47.28 | jelly | aphid4: what precisely does "virtual network interface" mean? |
| 09:47.33 | aphid4 | VLAN |
| 09:47.39 | jelly | 802.1q VLANs? |
| 09:47.55 | aphid4 | Yes. Debian also runs inside a VMware machine |
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| 09:48.30 | jelly | if some of the VLANs in the trunk work but others do not, it's probably not Debian. |
| 09:49.07 | aphid4 | I'm trying to verify that the connection issue has to be downstream, I've checked the routing tables, firewalls, net stats, and ethtool, all come up okay. |
| 09:49.37 | jelly | aphid4: are you providing the debian VM with a trunk, or are you separating VLANs at hypervisor level and providing a single interface for the VM guest for each vlan? |
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| 09:51.33 | aphid4 | My hypervisor isn't doing anything, the network interface is directly on a switch which is at '4095' setting, basically following the 'VGT mode' default configuration, also see http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1003806 |
| 09:51.44 | aphid4 | E.g. tagging is done by debian |
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| 09:52.59 | rozie | aphid4: if some networks work, and some, with the same setup on server don't work, I'd blame network configuration |
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| 09:53.27 | rozie | not added vlan on switch or not allowed vlan on some port is common thing |
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| 09:53.41 | phix | I like VLANs |
| 09:54.05 | rozie | I like them too. been a netadmin for most of life ;) |
| 09:54.24 | phix | ditto, except I have no CCNA |
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| 09:54.45 | rozie | don't know vmware, but I doubt it has some strange limitation of this kind |
| 09:54.50 | rozie | phix: neither have I |
| 09:55.02 | phix | Then again I hate cisco products, the affordable equipment is junk and the expensive stuff can be done with a linux router |
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| 09:55.39 | phix | rozie: Depends, vmware has different versions, all have artifical limitations for marketing and branding purposes |
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| 09:56.35 | rozie | well, as it's told, nobody got fired for buying cisco ;) |
| 09:56.50 | rozie | but don't have much experience with cisco hardware too |
| 09:57.30 | aphid4 | Well, there's the thing, when you've been 'told' the other switches are in trunking mode it gets difficult to find a point of failure. At https://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_301_201_config_max.pdf, page 4 tells me it's limited to 4069 unique VLANs of the 4094 available. Using only 7 seems ok. |
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| 09:58.13 | rozie | aphid4: dobule check. just connect with laptop and tagged interface and check if this works |
| 09:58.35 | rozie | if it doesn't - blame networking team |
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| 09:59.25 | rozie | I've seen this kind of mistake many times. did those mistakes too |
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| 09:59.51 | rozie | it's basicly a bissection of problem |
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| 10:00.10 | rozie | you won't fix it on server if problem is elsewhere, no matter what you do |
| 10:00.53 | aphid4 | That... I guess is something I'll do in the afternoon. But there's no real way besides what I've configured the box to do that (the server) can cause this kind of problem (no more than x interfaces, etc.), which is what I wanted to know. Thanks for the help. |
| 10:01.10 | rozie | on the other hand if you check network equipment, you are sure that this is server fault |
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| 10:14.27 | lasdam | how do I make seahorse or whatever run and unlock my "Login" keyring automatically on boot? it currently has no password. (I'm on a self-encrypted SSD and I will need to almost always unlock this keyring anyway, so I don't see why I shouldn't) |
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| 10:19.25 | rgr | remove your login keyring probably. |
| 10:20.08 | rgr | first google (ubuntu but probably same) : http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/18/enter-password-to-unlock-your-keyring-prompt-in-ubuntu/ |
| 10:20.18 | rgr | assuming you're using gnome |
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| 10:24.12 | malade_mental | Hi, I got a redirection problem, may I ask it here? |
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| 10:27.59 | rgr | just ask. dont ask to ask. and "redirection" could mean anything. |
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| 10:28.07 | malade_mental | :D |
| 10:28.28 | rgr | if its not relevant to the channel you can be sure someone will be eager to tell you ;) |
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| 10:30.08 | malade_mental | my problem is that I transfered a mail server from one to another, and the domain redirection is set by my company's DNS. The problem is the following : All of the users using my company's mail server have not set up their DNS to ours, so when the ask to access "mymailserver.com", they access to the old mail server (DNS update problem) |
| 10:30.47 | malade_mental | What I would like is to redirect incoming connection aiming to mailserver.com from the old server to the new |
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| 10:36.19 | rgr | "set up their dns to ours" why would anyone do that? users dont want to use your company's dns. |
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| 10:37.42 | rgr | is the actual domain name for the mail server still the same? |
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| 10:38.48 | rgr | in which case you just need to update the ip address in the DNS. |
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| 10:39.18 | phix | DNS <3 |
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| 10:41.22 | malade_mental | rgr, that's what I did |
| 10:41.23 | malade_mental | :) |
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| 10:42.10 | malade_mental | but yes that's totally not nicely done and I leave the company at the end of the month because it's too shitty |
| 10:42.24 | malade_mental | their primary mail server got blacklist |
| 10:42.40 | malade_mental | because one of the SMTP users' pass wass "test" |
| 10:42.42 | rgr | because its too shitty? |
| 10:42.51 | rgr | sounds more like you dont know what you're doing. |
| 10:43.10 | malade_mental | I'm a developer not a sys admin |
| 10:43.14 | malade_mental | but I have basic skill |
| 10:43.33 | malade_mental | and I can just arrange a little bit the shitty situation they were in |
| 10:44.15 | malade_mental | with a self-configured DNS, Mail Server, Apache (2.2 haha) and no firewall |
| 10:44.29 | malade_mental | the least security possible |
| 10:45.14 | malade_mental | so I just don't want to be overwhelmed by things that are already fuked-up |
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| 10:47.34 | ChrisH | malade_mental: the normal approach would be to have the TTL of the MX record short and simply change the DNS entry (do noit forget to modify the serial) and thats is. |
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| 10:52.05 | lasdam | rgr: I have no keyrings folder under ~/gnome2/ and there's no "passwords" tab for seahorse under Debian 8 |
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| 10:52.39 | lasdam | rgr: and I am using gnome. pretty much standard/default Debian 8 installation |
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| 10:54.30 | lasdam | rgr: also btw, I don't even get a prompt at boot/login. I have to manually open seahorse and then right-click the Login keyring and then Unlock. I've also tried setting the password to my user login password, but have it as blank atm |
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| 10:58.13 | lasdam | also I've gotta go, but I'll set my computer to turn off in 15min (for security) or so in case you'll respond in this time and I'll get to read the log later |
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| 10:59.08 | sgflt | which channel handles questions about debian packaging? this one or debian-devel? |
| 10:59.41 | petn-randall | sgflt: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:00.12 | sgflt | thank you |
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| 11:23.38 | markvandenborre | anyone knows a good graphical image flashing tool? |
| 11:23.44 | markvandenborre | like dd, but for my grandmother? |
| 11:24.06 | markvandenborre | I have a rather not so technical colleague, and I want him to be able to flash devices |
| 11:24.18 | markvandenborre | and the underlying image changes quite often.... |
| 11:24.40 | tremon | Why would a non-technical user want to flash devices? |
| 11:24.46 | malade_mental | xD |
| 11:25.15 | malade_mental | markvandenborre, Gdiskdump |
| 11:25.21 | malade_mental | here it is my frienty |
| 11:27.25 | frostschutz | markvandenborre, if it's for a specific use case, you could write them something with zenity. I did something like this for my Uncle, for pulling cd/dvd iso when his brasero refused to do the same http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/416907/ |
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| 11:27.48 | markvandenborre | frostschutz: thx for the hint, did something similar in the past |
| 11:27.56 | markvandenborre | but I'll have a look at gdiskdump first |
| 11:28.09 | markvandenborre | malade_mental: thx |
| 11:28.31 | malade_mental | next time google that |
| 11:28.40 | malade_mental | GUI DISK DUMP |
| 11:28.41 | malade_mental | ... |
| 11:29.13 | malade_mental | ChrisH, Thanks for the hint, that's what I was looking for. Should have done this before changing the IP |
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| 11:30.34 | markvandenborre | malade_mental: I was hoping for something packaged in debian actually, which is why I didn't find it :-( |
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| 11:31.45 | ChrisH | malade_mental: yes, taht makes things easier :) |
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| 11:32.18 | malade_mental | Had one day studied DNS but totally forgot on how they work |
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| 11:34.19 | markvandenborre | malade_mental: turns out gnome-multi-writer has just been accepted into testing |
| 11:34.24 | markvandenborre | also worth a look |
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| 11:55.07 | grg22 | I'm using debian/unstable and lightdm. I want to run some xinput commands in my ~/.xsessionrc, but the file does not get sourced by lightdm. |
| 11:55.26 | grg22 | I'm using enlightenment/e19 built from git, if that matters. |
| 11:56.07 | grg22 | Is there a better place to put xinput commands? Or a way to have lightdm source the ~/.xsessionrc ? |
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| 11:57.36 | rgr | just google what files it does source |
| 11:58.24 | grg22 | you think i didn't already try to solve this myself? |
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| 12:04.29 | Brigo | grg22, try ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:05.45 | grg22 | Brigo: i don't want to replace the session with a custom script, i have my desktop environment starting just fine. I want ~/.xsessionrc to be run, like pretty much all other display managers do, but lightdm is not doing. |
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| 12:06.12 | Brigo | grg22, then send a bug report. |
| 12:06.27 | grg22 | something to do with the "session-wrapper=" option in the lightdm.conf maybe? |
| 12:08.05 | grg22 | but there's the file /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf which has session-wrapper=/etc/X11/Xsession already, which should indirectly source ~/.xsessionrc |
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| 12:10.49 | Brigo | grg22, you can try Adding System Hooks, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LightDM/CommonConfiguration/ |
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| 12:14.29 | grg22 | Brigo, isn't that what /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf already does? |
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| 12:16.09 | Brigo | grg22, more or less. I have to go, bye. |
| 12:16.20 | grg22 | bye |
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| 12:30.40 | grg22 | now my ~/.xsessionrc is source as it should be |
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| 12:31.07 | grg22 | s/source/sourced/ |
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| 12:48.51 | deepy | lupdate: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/lupdate': No such file or directory |
| 12:49.02 | deepy | How do I solve this? the ml has some people saying you need qt4-qtconfig, but I already got that |
| 12:50.25 | grg22 | deepy: running 'apt-file search /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/lupdate' indicates that you're missing qt4-linguist-tools |
| 12:50.47 | rozie | deepy: check if you have qtchooser installed |
| 12:51.30 | rozie | grg22: not found here (Jessie) |
| 12:52.08 | grg22 | well, i guess its in a different package. apt-file search could be used to find it though, assuming apt-file is installed. |
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| 13:04.55 | A1BaTrOs | hi |
| 13:05.12 | A1BaTrOs | something funny happened on my debian machine overnight |
| 13:05.26 | A1BaTrOs | there's no more ssh to it...dunno what happened |
| 13:06.46 | SynrGy | can you ping it? |
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| 13:07.04 | Mr_Pan | !ping SynrGy |
| 13:07.05 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over SynrGy's head |
| 13:07.12 | Sendoushi | stupid question but... have you checked if the ip is right? |
| 13:07.12 | SynrGy | assuming you can, what is output if you 'ssh -v' to it? |
| 13:07.21 | SynrGy | that, too |
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| 13:09.03 | A1BaTrOs | ssh -v? |
| 13:09.13 | SynrGy | Mr_Pan: my latency for humour is high this morning. also with some packet loss. |
| 13:09.27 | A1BaTrOs | localy saiys input/output error |
| 13:09.30 | SynrGy | A1BaTrOs: yes, verbose. |
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| 13:09.42 | A1BaTrOs | the ip is right for sure cuz it's static |
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| 13:10.15 | SynrGy | A1BaTrOs: input/output error when you try to 'ssh -v'? |
| 13:10.26 | A1BaTrOs | yup |
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| 13:10.52 | SynrGy | are you sure it's the Debian box that's at fault, here? can you ssh to it from a different host? |
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| 13:12.49 | SynrGy | A1BaTrOs: with an input/output error, i would suspect first a failing disk |
| 13:12.58 | rgr | with ssh? |
| 13:13.05 | SynrGy | whether it's your client system or server system, i dunno |
| 13:13.11 | SynrGy | i'm thinking the client, though |
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| 13:13.16 | moldy | hi |
| 13:13.29 | A1BaTrOs | well thing is nobody access the system last night |
| 13:13.30 | SynrGy | rgr: ssh reads files, doesn't it? |
| 13:13.51 | A1BaTrOs | but the settings files for sshd aren't there |
| 13:13.56 | SynrGy | A1BaTrOs: ok, that answers my other question, "can you ssh to it from a different host?" |
| 13:14.00 | A1BaTrOs | means that i should remove it |
| 13:14.02 | moldy | https://dpaste.de/i4tH so there are "broken dependencies". how do i display/fix them? |
| 13:14.12 | A1BaTrOs | mm nope |
| 13:14.27 | SynrGy | yes, that's what i was saying. you answered that (in a roundabout way :) |
| 13:14.31 | jelly | A1BaTrOs: avoid removing or installing things until you've found the cause of I/O errors |
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| 13:14.57 | SynrGy | look through your logs. see if you can find hard disk death rattle |
| 13:15.07 | A1BaTrOs | how do i do that? |
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| 13:15.38 | jelly | A1BaTrOs: look at "dmesg" command output, or /var/log/kern.log file if it happens to still contain that data |
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| 13:16.12 | jelly | both show kernel messages, and the kernel will show if there were errors with disks |
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| 13:20.06 | A1BaTrOs | nothing in the log... |
| 13:20.20 | rgr | yes but going from "cant ssh" to "disk error" is a huge leap. |
| 13:20.23 | A1BaTrOs | it's on raid 1 machine |
| 13:21.12 | SynrGy | rgr: got any other theories as to how you would get an input/output error on an ssh? it's a rather non-specific symptom ... |
| 13:21.24 | SynrGy | a lot of the time, I/O errors are hdd failures |
| 13:21.44 | SynrGy | so, just playing the probabilities |
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| 13:23.44 | A1BaTrOs | yeah well is the some action i should do now and then to cleanup the machine or update or things like that? |
| 13:23.52 | A1BaTrOs | yesterday ssh was working fine |
| 13:24.11 | A1BaTrOs | this morning i wanted to connect and wasn't working |
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| 13:24.24 | A1BaTrOs | i unplugged the machine to clean it and now i'm local on it |
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| 13:26.06 | SynrGy | i wouldn't do anything random (like updates) until you understand more about the nature of the problem. random application of solutions just conceals underlying causes and leaves you open to the risk of recurrence, or worse. |
| 13:26.52 | SynrGy | first, try to make it more visible. i had hoped 'ssh -v' would tell us something. is it just one line of output, the "input/output error" one or was there more? please put the complete output at paste.debian.net |
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| 13:37.03 | thenewone | Hi guys |
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| 13:38.01 | thenewone | Guys i have question i add some lines in .Xresources and every time i should reboot the machine to apply what i add any solution to avoid that ? |
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| 13:39.14 | Stummi | you should? who says this |
| 13:39.21 | Stummi | at least you could just restart your xserver |
| 13:39.32 | Stummi | or type xrdb < ~/.Xresources |
| 13:39.38 | thenewone | aha |
| 13:39.43 | Stummi | but not sure if and how it affects running processes |
| 13:40.07 | thenewone | ok thanks man |
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| 13:51.30 | uio | Hello - I tried installing LXDE, then when I logged out and logged back it, it was the default (I was using openbox) so I tried to apt-get remove lxde. Rebooted... into lxde. Then I tried a list of commands, which I didn't read well enough, and now the gui is messed up, no openbox, no internet... how could I undo all this ? I just want to remove all lxde things and use openbox. Thanks ! |
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| 13:53.34 | A1BaTrOs | well something happened to the hdds clearly |
| 13:53.41 | A1BaTrOs | i fixed that |
| 13:53.50 | A1BaTrOs | and still ssh has miagically disappeared |
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| 13:56.08 | mtn | uio, you would have to troubleshoot each item, one at a time. or, just reinstall debian which will be much faster |
| 13:57.09 | uio | mtn: So there is no restore to a previous state ?? And could you explain why apt-get remove does not just undo apt-get install ? |
| 13:57.43 | r6ku | it probably didn't remove all the dependencies? |
| 13:57.47 | mtn | uio, no to the first question. and I don't understand your second question |
| 13:58.20 | uio | mtn: For example, I installed LXDE with install, and then remove did not uninstall it ... |
| 13:58.49 | uio | mtn: could I just use ethernet to apt-get udpate ? |
| 13:58.55 | uio | *update |
| 13:59.03 | mtn | uio, it will if you use the correct command or the package manager. |
| 13:59.29 | mtn | uio, yes, you can use your ethernet to reinstall your packages, if you know which ones to reinstall |
| 14:00.10 | ezra-s | using ethernet to reinstall sounds the same as saying you can use your mouse or the screen to reinstall |
| 14:00.12 | r6ku | remove task-lxde-desktop then run apt-get autoremove, I think that should work? although you probably want to keep lightdm and openbox |
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| 14:01.59 | uio | ezra-s: Saying that something on a screen could sound is like something is like saying that music tastes good. |
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| 14:05.17 | SynrGy | A1BaTrOs: eh? not entirely clear what you've done. "something happened to the hdds clearly ... i fixed that" <- what, and how? "still ssh has magically disappeared" <- what evidence? you mean the /etc/ssh files are gone? |
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| 14:05.54 | A1BaTrOs | there was some unknown error on the hdd that bios fixed |
| 14:06.02 | A1BaTrOs | brb |
| 14:06.30 | c0fe_machine | SynrG: it is times like these you call in the ghost busters |
| 14:06.56 | SynrGy | i have serious doubts that if your hdd is throwing errors, the bios is going to be able to fix that ... |
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| 14:07.02 | SynrGy | at best, it could make the messages go away |
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| 14:07.38 | SynrGy | at this point, i would run smartctl on it, first at least the short test, and then the long if the short turns up nothing |
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| 14:08.00 | SynrGy | also, if the disk is suspect, boot from other media (USB or so) with smartctl on it in order to do this testing |
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| 14:17.00 | raoulvdberge | Does the win32-loader work on Windows 10? |
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| 14:19.41 | ezra-s | raoulvdberge: you chose the perfect place to ask that! |
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| 14:20.52 | raoulvdberge | Yes? |
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| 14:23.14 | ezra-s | raoulvdberge: of course |
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| 14:24.42 | beastwick | This is driving me nuts. My CPU supports VT-D, my motherboard supports VT-D, but intel_iommu=on causes Linux not to boot. It hangs on DMAR faults. I'm using Debian Jessie. |
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| 14:24.57 | beastwick | I have a 4790K and a GA-Z97X Gaming 7 mother board. |
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| 14:25.47 | jelly | beastwick: but do you have the latest bios firmware with fixed bugs about VT-d? :-) |
| 14:25.57 | beastwick | Jelly are you for real? |
| 14:26.06 | beastwick | Is that a Gigabyte thing? |
| 14:26.16 | jelly | it's an "often happened" thing |
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| 14:26.36 | beastwick | Jelly I checked GA's support site and in their changes list it doesn't list anything about IOMMU. |
| 14:26.37 | jelly | not on gigabyte, just on VT-d support |
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| 14:26.56 | jelly | that's not too promising |
| 14:27.27 | beastwick | http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4959#bios |
| 14:27.42 | beastwick | Granted the Description doesn't list much. |
| 14:28.02 | beastwick | Do you think I should give it a try? |
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| 14:28.58 | Skyekk22 | Hi all |
| 14:29.18 | Skyekk22 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 14:29.18 | Skyekk22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.18 | Skyekk22 | ... any idea why this could be? Is there any area where these kinds of events are logged? |
| 14:29.22 | Skyekk22 | Missing dependencies perhaps? |
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| 14:30.51 | zykotick9 | Skyekk22: does dist-upgrade install it perhaps? |
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| 14:31.04 | Brigo | Skyekk22, try to install it and you will see. |
| 14:31.05 | abrotman | Skyekk22: aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 14:31.24 | Skyekk22 | abrotman: K... wasn't sure if it was being held back for a good reason |
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| 14:31.44 | Skyekk22 | abrotman: Yep.. that installed it... weird O_o |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | it is |
| 14:32.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Skyekk22 about held back |
| 14:32.33 | A1BaTrOs | ok i reinstalled openssh-server |
| 14:32.39 | A1BaTrOs | how do i restart the service? |
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| 14:32.50 | A1BaTrOs | i now know what the problem was |
| 14:33.00 | A1BaTrOs | but i need to restart the service and i can't remember how |
| 14:33.03 | Skyekk22 | abrotman: Wait... so i should be using apt-get full-upgrade after apt-get update? |
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| 14:33.16 | abrotman | you don't have to, you can explicitly install the package |
| 14:33.30 | Skyekk22 | abrotman: dpkg say's that full-upgrade removes non-needed dependencies |
| 14:33.55 | Brigo | A1BaTrOs, systemctl restart ssh |
| 14:34.00 | Skyekk22 | abrotman: nvm |
| 14:34.11 | Skyekk22 | thanks guys |
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| 14:37.23 | atannus | Why would my ssh client try all ids but one? File permissions are the same accross ids. This started this morning, and was working yesterday. It works if I pass the id with ssh -i id_file. Ideas? |
| 14:39.12 | lasdam | how do I make Debian (8) unlock or even attempt to unlock my Login keyring on boot/login? |
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| 14:41.27 | lasdam | Googling anything about unlocking keyrings or seahorse or anything seem to result in massive hits about "preventing the prompt to appear", but my problem is the opposite - there's no prompt and seemingly no attempt at automatically unlocking it at all |
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| 14:42.30 | Brigo | lasdam, check those links and do the opposite :) |
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| 14:47.48 | Absalom | nick Azazell |
| 14:47.54 | Absalom | whoops |
| 14:49.26 | lasdam | Brigo: ;) they say change password to blank. I've already tried having a password and having a blank password as well :p |
| 14:50.01 | Brigo | lasdam, well, it looks like a good bet :) |
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| 14:58.21 | darxmurf | folks, I think it's time for a beer \o/ |
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| 14:58.41 | Brigo | darxmurf, as allways :) |
| 14:58.50 | darxmurf | well ... :] |
| 14:58.51 | Brigo | always* |
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| 15:00.24 | moss | Hello. I have Debian 8 - Jessie. I need to install PHP 5.5 but 5.6 installs by default. How can I install php5.5 and all necessary apache2 modules? Please help! |
| 15:00.28 | darxmurf | in switzerland we say you can start to drink alcohol when the hour got 2 digits |
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| 15:00.42 | darxmurf | I should have start at 10 this morning :D |
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| 15:00.54 | squinty | 06 |
| 15:01.29 | darxmurf | don't cheat ! |
| 15:01.30 | darxmurf | :D |
| 15:01.41 | squinty | :) |
| 15:01.47 | moss | Anyone? |
| 15:01.56 | Brigo | ,v php5 |
| 15:01.58 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze26; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-security: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed- |
| 15:01.59 | judd | updates: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.11+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.11+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:02.38 | Brigo | moss, i am afraid there is no php5 in debian just know. You can try snapshots.debian.org |
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| 15:03.00 | Brigo | snapshot.debian.org (without the s) |
| 15:03.17 | moss | Brigo: what? |
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| 15:04.04 | darxmurf | have a good week-end ! |
| 15:04.20 | jelly | moss: what do you need it for, an internal or a public-facing service? You will have to build it yourself, probably. It's not a great idea to pick old versions of software from snapshots, they're often buggy and they're definitely not supported. |
| 15:04.26 | Brigo | moss, what didn't you undestand? there is no php 5.5 in debian or about snapshot? |
| 15:04.48 | moss | jelly: yeah it's for pub-facing server |
| 15:04.59 | moss | Brigo: How do I downgrade to 5.3 or 5.4 then |
| 15:05.10 | moss | The problem is ioncube loader does not work with 5.6 yet. |
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| 15:06.00 | Brigo | moss, you have to remove the 5.6 packages, grab the 5.5 from snapshot.debian.net and install them. |
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| 15:06.11 | moss | okay |
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| 15:07.06 | jelly | moss: your easiest option at this point is probably to use Debian 7 (wheezy), it still has 5.4 |
| 15:07.09 | Brigo | moss, but due to dependencies problems, it could be you have to compile it yourself. |
| 15:07.22 | moss | hmmm |
| 15:08.04 | moss | that isnt an option at this point |
| 15:08.13 | jelly | maybe as a full install, maybe as a chroot |
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| 15:09.10 | Brigo | lxc :) |
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| 15:16.09 | jhutchins | Docker! |
| 15:16.38 | lasdam | Brigo: seriously though, there's no documentation for seahorse anywhere |
| 15:16.56 | Brigo | ,v docker.io |
| 15:16.58 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.2~dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.6.2~dfsg1-2 |
| 15:17.14 | Brigo | jhutchins, not in jessie :) |
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| 15:17.46 | lasdam | Brigo: here's Seahorse's Wiki page http://wiki.gnome.org/Seahorse |
| 15:17.49 | lasdam | quite impressive |
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| 15:18.51 | Brigo | lasdam, well, there is a irc channel :) |
| 15:19.11 | lasdam | Brigo: for Gnome I guess? |
| 15:19.36 | lasdam | since I'm not getting any help here with this issue :p |
| 15:19.40 | Brigo | lasdam, you aren't using it with gnome? |
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| 15:20.04 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.20 | KSX | gnome hackers? |
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| 15:26.47 | doubletwist | Okay, this is officially driving me up the wall. I'm on Debian 8, and I can not seem to get xfce terminal to open urls with chrome. No matter what I do [aside from uninstalling iceweasl] it opens link with iceweasl. |
| 15:26.57 | doubletwist | Everything else in XFCE properly uses chrome. |
| 15:27.58 | r6ku | you set the web browser to chrome in preferred applications? |
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| 15:28.04 | doubletwist | I've set update-alternatives, I've tried creating/modifying the various mimeapps.list and mimeinfo.cache |
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| 15:28.08 | doubletwist | r6ku: yes |
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| 15:29.20 | c0fe_machine | doubletwist: i had the same problem but i just gave up i think that XFCE may just have this hardcoded in |
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| 15:30.05 | doubletwist | c0fe_machine: if I uninstall iceweasl [as a test, I do need it installed so I can run it for a few web apps] the terminal opens chrome just fine. |
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| 15:30.49 | c0fe_machine | doubletwist: this is why i think it is hardcoded in, unless no alternative exists apparently it will refer to iceweasel |
| 15:31.00 | doubletwist | That's horrible |
| 15:31.02 | doubletwist | if true |
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| 15:32.01 | lasdam | "Drives you up the wall" should be the official *nix slogan... not to demean *nix, many awesome things about it, but it sure likes to make things complicated, break pretty easily, and requiring manual fixing often using relatively complicated solutions where if you don't know what you doing you can easily make the OS "unbootable" x_x sorry, just had to share this somewhere, and I blame doubletwist for triggering me :P anyway I think I figured out how to |
| 15:32.01 | lasdam | solve my seahorse-problem |
| 15:32.39 | cap3lla | hi to all. The first column in Nemo file browser is always too small, the content of this viewable column is too narrow. I always have to click on the right end of this column "Name" and drag it further to the right. In Windows there is a smart feature: when you doubleclick on that extensions area, the column is automagically stretched to fit the maximum visible name. How can I have this in Nemo, too ? |
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| 15:35.18 | Artox | Greetings everybody |
| 15:35.28 | Artox | I got a question to wheezy / pkcs11 / gnome-keyring |
| 15:35.43 | Artox | I noticed there is this file: /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module |
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| 15:35.50 | Artox | shouldnt it be called /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring.module ? |
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| 15:37.02 | Brigo | cap3lla, you can ask the nemo developers. |
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| 15:38.18 | Artox | can anyone confirm that his file has the same name on wheezy? (because I fear some backport may be involved) |
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| 15:40.30 | jhutchins | Artox: Why wouldn't you use the same seperators in the whole filename? |
| 15:41.06 | Artox | I have been reported this as a bug, somebody saing it should be called ".module" |
| 15:41.09 | Artox | so I want to get behind it |
| 15:41.21 | jhutchins | Artox: Are you in Microsoft land where files always have extensions? |
| 15:41.22 | Artox | I am not using debian on a regular basis, so I needed to check here |
| 15:41.48 | Artox | and apt was complaining to me today, sadly Idont remember *which* package complained |
| 15:41.54 | Artox | (terminal buffer too small) |
| 15:42.08 | Artox | but this is not about extensions vs no extensions |
| 15:42.16 | Artox | I'd like to know if otehr people on wheezy have the same filename |
| 15:42.26 | Artox | and, if it is meant to be named that way |
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| 15:44.19 | jmcnaught | Artox: i don't have a wheezy system handy to test, but https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents might be useful for you |
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| 15:46.19 | Artox | looks like I found something, jmcnaught |
| 15:46.31 | Artox | the jessie package has usr/share/p11-kit/modules/gnome-keyring.module |
| 15:46.54 | Artox | the wheezy one however has /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module |
| 15:47.18 | Artox | is more confused now |
| 15:47.19 | Artox | great |
| 15:47.44 | Artox | but it means, my systems conform with upstream wheezy regarding this specific file |
| 15:48.10 | Artox | gonna ask my colleague what the problem is/was |
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| 15:50.01 | beastwick | So I tracked down my iommu_intel on problem to a SATA Marvell Technology Controller using AHCI. |
| 15:50.06 | beastwick | Is there anything I can do about this? |
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| 15:51.57 | drakfire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.36 | beastwick | Can I disable a RAID controller on my motherboard and still access my hard drives? |
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| 15:54.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | depends if they were part of a raid array. |
| 15:54.17 | beastwick | They are not part of a RAID array |
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| 15:54.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | then you should be able to, as long as you hook them up to something else :P |
| 15:55.01 | beastwick | uhhhh so, how does that work |
| 15:55.17 | beastwick | there is a SATA hub thing on the board |
| 15:55.21 | beastwick | isn't that all part of the RAID array? |
| 15:55.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | oh. |
| 15:55.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | i haven't used raid hardware in well over a decade. |
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| 15:55.54 | beastwick | basically IOMMU is choking on my SATA controller. |
| 15:56.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, i missed the 'on my motherboard' part. |
| 15:56.37 | beastwick | I guess there isn't anything I can do except get a different motherboard? |
| 15:57.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | or get a sata controller. |
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| 15:57.52 | SolarNRG | can somebody please explain to me the crucial differences between a linux ext 4 filesystem and a windows ntfs file system, what's better? |
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| 15:58.02 | SolarNRG | is it just horses for courses or is there a bit more to it? |
| 15:58.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | "better" is subjective. highly dependent on your use case. |
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| 16:04.46 | bejelith | SolarNRG at least for extended u don't need proprietary shit, that's the main big difference :) |
| 16:04.58 | SolarNRG | By the way I figured out the ati drivers on debian but only because I did it on ubuntu first, you will need additional apt-gets i.e fglrx-updates, dh-modaliases, execstack and lib32gcc1, also you have to be very careful with your xorg configuration, but once I got the ati drivers working I got the missing pixels sorted through aticonfig and underscanned the image now I run at 1080p beautifully in debian :) |
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| 16:05.29 | SolarNRG | bejelith, so its an open source filing system wheras ntfs is a microsoft file system? |
| 16:05.31 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:06.00 | SolarNRG | one thing I don't like about the ati drivers is they are closed source, you have to run this file and it does what it wants to your system ATI won't let you simply have the source and compile it yourself |
| 16:06.09 | SolarNRG | so I have no idea what it's doing on my system |
| 16:06.33 | SolarNRG | Can I trust AMD/ATI ? |
| 16:06.49 | AvocetVIS | can we trust any huge corporation? Not really. |
| 16:07.05 | DexterF | I want to raid1 an existing drive. said drive holds debian root and home and two data partitions. can I just dd it to an identical drive and tell mdadm to run them as raid1 then? |
| 16:07.15 | bejelith | well thing if u need to do data recovery on NTFS, where do go? Pay lots $$ and cross fingers |
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| 16:07.40 | SolarNRG | AvocetVIS, yeah no shit, firing employees, crushing unions, outsourcing labour overseas, producing planned obselescent crap that dies after x-time, you're not wrong, down with the corporation man, smoke some herbs yeah peace out |
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| 16:08.54 | DexterF | AvocetVIS, SolarNRG : amd cannot risk shenanigans with their clientel. plus, SolarNRG, there are free radeon drivers that are said to work quite well, if you are not after top fps 3D gaming perf |
| 16:09.15 | DexterF | bejelith: where do you go for btrfs/ext data recovery? |
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| 16:10.03 | cap3lla | Brigo: where do I find them? |
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| 16:10.38 | r6ku | so I just found that out there's a metapackage called games-finest that has all the high quality games *headdesk* |
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| 16:12.41 | c0fe_machine | headdesk? |
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| 16:13.50 | jhutchins | r6ku: It's new. |
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| 16:17.22 | wm4 | so I want to install a new system (32->64 bit change), and I want debian unstable |
| 16:17.51 | wm4 | but current unstable is unusable, because the current gcc5 ABI transition makes installing some packages impossible |
| 16:18.06 | wm4 | is there a way to install a slightly older debian unstable with debootstrap? |
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| 16:20.35 | socomm | *All* the quality games? |
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| 16:21.46 | eject_ck | I have server with no local disks, but FC disk with 4 multipath(es) to this disk. It have Qlogic 2562 FC HBA and DELL MD3820f storage. Trying to install to disk with multipath enabled during d-i as per https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/MultipathSupport, but I end up with 4 disks (non multipath-ed). Anybody have experience ? |
| 16:22.11 | SolarNRG | I still think you might be better off getting dosbox and a snes emulator so you can play chronotrigger and star control 2 on linux |
| 16:22.35 | eject_ck | btw, jessie on amd64 |
| 16:23.03 | c0fe_machine | can someone explain the hate for nano? |
| 16:23.14 | SolarNRG | eject_ck, what are you trying to do exactly do you want your hdd to just be one partition? |
| 16:25.02 | SolarNRG | if you don't mind what's on the other partitions you can just delete the partitions and then resize the one with debian on |
| 16:25.04 | SolarNRG | but if you have multiple os's on multiple partitions, you would need a highly specialized partition merger tool one the boot disk can't handle |
| 16:25.04 | SolarNRG | or you could just copy paste the data onto the partition yo uwanna keep then delete then resize that would work! |
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| 16:27.23 | eject_ck | SolarNRG: I want to install Debian on mpath device |
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| 16:27.45 | eject_ck | instead I see 4 devices sda/sdb/sdc/sdd |
| 16:28.03 | SolarNRG | c0fe_machine, the ipod nano? |
| 16:28.03 | SolarNRG | yeah it was a biach to jailbreak |
| 16:28.03 | SolarNRG | wouldn't let me put my mp3s I got off soulseek on it, crap device |
| 16:28.03 | SolarNRG | riddled with DRM |
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| 16:28.07 | eject_ck | If multipath devices are found these will show up as /dev/mapper/mpath<X> during installation. |
| 16:28.27 | eject_ck | I dont see /dev/mapper/mpath during setup |
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| 16:29.05 | SolarNRG | sorry |
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| 16:29.15 | c0fe_machine | SolarNRG: no nano as in text editor for linux terminal |
| 16:29.38 | SolarNRG | hmm i usually use gedit not familliar with nano |
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| 16:30.58 | r6ku | I tend to use nano for editing config files, you can always use vi so what's there to hate? |
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| 16:36.51 | SolarNRG | yeah vi can handle big files a lot better |
| 16:37.06 | eject_ck | this is what I'm getting (I suspect issue) http://oi60.tinypic.com/2nbhgeo.jpg |
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| 16:42.55 | zh1 | eject_ck, that tinypic is a very bad image sharer try img.bi imgur imgbox |
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| 16:48.43 | jair | hello all, I have been trying to understand how can I read binary files in linux for example "cd" or "rm" and then change their beheavior for example, in some linux distributions when running then "rm" regular user will get a prompt ? to confirm deletion of the file |
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| 16:50.25 | vamps | jair: alias rm="rm -i" |
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| 16:53.18 | jair | hello vamps thank you for answering me. So the rm="rm -i" will have to be placed on the bash or sh or terminal for each individual user correct? |
| 16:54.02 | ezra-s | jair: what vamps says, if you place those aliases in your ~/.bashrc next time you login they will be loaded again |
| 16:54.22 | jair | ahh here: .bashrc |
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| 16:54.39 | vamps | jair: you can also configure this in /etc/profile.d/ |
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| 16:54.47 | vamps | to make it global |
| 16:54.59 | jair | ahhh very good to know |
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| 16:55.06 | Miesco | Hi. I was running x11vnc, and now I can not open any X applications: feh ERROR: Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah? |
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| 16:56.50 | jair | now if I want to modify the behavior of the command cd? to have a similar interaction for example, if I type the command 'cd /home' I want the terminal to propmt for every time a user will cd to a directory a confirmation similar to rm -i |
| 16:57.16 | ezra-s | jair: you change the behaviour of any command through aliases |
| 16:57.42 | ezra-s | jair: define them all in the same fashion you saw |
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| 16:58.02 | jair | yes but this is kind of different |
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| 16:58.13 | ezra-s | alias jair='echo hello jair' |
| 16:58.19 | jair | here is the example of what I want to accomplish |
| 16:58.21 | Miesco | How do I check if X display is running? |
| 16:58.25 | ezra-s | alias are all defined the same way |
| 16:58.44 | jair | I don't think I am defining an alias |
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| 16:59.14 | jair | for example: cd /home (home)? |
| 16:59.49 | jair | something like that where everytime someone run the command cd, they will get a prompt like this (directory)? |
| 16:59.57 | ezra-s | see help cd for its possible options |
| 17:00.10 | ezra-s | or make a script to do what you want |
| 17:00.16 | jair | then when the person press the letter "Y" or just enter will proceed to run cd |
| 17:00.27 | vamps | jair: you will have to write a script, something like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/226703/how-do-i-prompt-for-input-in-a-linux-shell-script |
| 17:00.51 | jair | that is very general information and does not help me much ezra-s however I appreciate your comments |
| 17:01.17 | jair | vamps: I see, but I heard there is a way to modify the bianry? |
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| 17:01.37 | vamps | jair: this is not a good idea |
| 17:02.43 | vamps | very hard to maintain and error prone |
| 17:03.18 | vamps | also cd is a builtin shell command |
| 17:03.45 | jair | right |
| 17:03.59 | jair | but I am just trying to understand if it is possible |
| 17:04.11 | jair | and if it is how can be accomplished |
| 17:04.43 | jair | so it is possible to open a binary file in linux? hexdump or od? |
| 17:04.51 | jair | with those type of tools? |
| 17:04.56 | vamps | for sure, find the package on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages then download the source from the link and recompile it with your edit |
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| 17:05.15 | vamps | why do you want to edit the binary if you have the source code ? |
| 17:05.16 | jair | vamps: I see |
| 17:05.53 | jair | ahhh no I don't need to edit the binary, I am just trying to understand if it is even possible? |
| 17:06.11 | vamps | jair: yeah, with somethink like http://www.bokken.re/ |
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| 17:07.18 | jair | vamps: I see "reverse conde engineering" |
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| 17:07.42 | vamps | jair: basicaly to do this you will need a dissasembler |
| 17:08.07 | Sendoushi | hey guys. installing dropbox in my debian + fluxbox |
| 17:08.09 | Sendoushi | just ran dropbox-dis/dropboxd and the process is running but not asking anything... nothing |
| 17:08.11 | Sendoushi | ideas? |
| 17:08.11 | jair | vamps: ahhh |
| 17:08.16 | vamps | (or not if you can translate hexa to opcode in your head) |
| 17:08.42 | jair | vamps: hmm I see |
| 17:09.06 | wm4 | how can I compile a x86 64 bit kernel for 32 bit userspace? (the tricky part is creating a debian package that will generate a correct initrd) |
| 17:09.20 | jair | I will read more about binary files in Linux, od and hex dump tool |
| 17:09.37 | jair | thank you so much for the help! |
| 17:09.47 | vamps | jair: start heare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format :) |
| 17:09.51 | vamps | here* |
| 17:10.14 | vamps | glad I could help you :) |
| 17:10.48 | jair | vamps: sounds good I will read that |
| 17:12.25 | vamps | jair: last tip if you want to read binary (of any type) : https://bitbucket.org/haypo/hachoir/wiki/Home |
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| 17:15.05 | jair | vamps: thank you so much |
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| 17:18.28 | nymous | hey folks |
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| 17:19.17 | nymous | i'm on wheezy and willing to recompile backports kernel with several modules enabled (CGROUP settings actually) |
| 17:19.41 | nymous | no custom patches to kernel or whatever, just config changes |
| 17:19.54 | nymous | but i keep getting ABI has changed! Refusing to continue. |
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| 17:20.12 | nymous | i can rebuild stock wheezy kernel with this options without any problems |
| 17:20.35 | nymous | what am i missing? |
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| 17:28.50 | Sendoushi | guys... other question. installed thunar on top of the fluxbox + debian. installed lxappearence to get the icons. on lxappearance the icons appear all ok but i open thunar and there are no icons or at least most of them |
| 17:29.27 | Sendoushi | folder icons for example |
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| 17:39.35 | xof1s | hello. How can I show upgrade changes before upgrade? /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/changesDebian.gz (or something like that) hasn't future changes :] Thank you |
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| 17:59.46 | ttyS1 | how do I use the daemon command for a command like " while sleep 1; do ls; done" |
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| 18:01.47 | petemc | while : ; do ls ; sleep 1 ; done |
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| 18:04.41 | cosmo | i've noticed, when i have my wifi set to autoconnect to a VPN, it seems to instantly connect to the VPN before allowing the user access to the net. just wondering if it's been designed to minimize latency between connecting to the internet and reaching a proxy? |
| 18:04.42 | ttyS1 | petemc: wouldn't that be something like "daemon while : ; do ls ; sleep 1 ; done" |
| 18:05.11 | petemc | i dont know the daemon command |
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| 18:05.36 | epsilon | ttyS1: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:05.58 | epsilon | run a command on connection from network? |
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| 18:06.32 | ttyS1 | epsilon: basically I'm trying to have a command run as a daemon. (run in the background witout it terminating if I logoff and maybe restart if rebooted) |
| 18:07.03 | greycat | ttyS1: restarting on reboot is totally different -- you can use crontab for that, or maybe systemd |
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| 18:07.35 | epsilon | a shellscript, started by systemd |
| 18:07.38 | greycat | "man 5 crontab" and see the @reboot part |
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| 18:08.02 | greycat | Is this a *real* daemon or just a thing you want to run personally? |
| 18:08.50 | greycat | If it's someting like a game server, would you want to reattach to it periodically? |
| 18:09.01 | ttyS1 | greycat: I need this to be running all the time as aprt of as important log I'm creating |
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| 18:09.32 | ttyS1 | so far I looked at nohup and daemon. daemon appears to do what I want but I have no idea how to use it |
| 18:09.55 | greycat | Is it a shell script that you wrote? Or what? |
| 18:10.06 | ttyS1 | greycat: yes |
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| 18:10.25 | greycat | I don't see a daemon(1) or daemon(8) on Debian so I don't know what you're talking about there. |
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| 18:11.12 | greycat | If you just want to do it as your normal user, put an @reboot entry in your personal crontab, and then start the script one time manually with "nohup ./myscript & disown" |
| 18:11.41 | greycat | If you want it to be all official and server-y, look at writing a systemd unit file for it. |
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| 18:12.42 | ttyS1 | greycat: thanks I'll try it with crontab |
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| 18:30.03 | jhutchins | ttyS1: Let me guess, game server? |
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| 18:35.37 | mo1991reg | when I run mutt from root account, I get the /var/mail/root no such file or directory error. should't this be set up by default? Is this not where system mail should be sent? Using fresh install of Debian Jessie |
| 18:36.17 | greycat | check /etc/aliases to see where root's mail is being sent |
| 18:39.27 | mo1991reg | all say root |
| 18:39.41 | mo1991reg | postmaster root |
| 18:40.07 | greycat | and the last line isn't something like "root: john"? |
| 18:40.35 | mo1991reg | ah, yes it is set to the default user. That I deleted some time ago. What do I change it to ?? |
| 18:40.55 | greycat | Whichever user you want it sent to. Then run "newaliases" to make it go into effect. |
| 18:40.58 | mo1991reg | root : root |
| 18:41.55 | greycat | That sounds unwise. Maybe you can just comment that line out? I don't know. There's no god damned MAN PAGE for it in exim4. |
| 18:43.04 | mo1991reg | greycat - didn't previous version of debian just setup system mail to go to root? I guess new installer sets it to the first user you add during setup, and creates the mail directory /var/mail/username |
| 18:43.13 | mo1991reg | but this seems different than I remember |
| 18:43.21 | greycat | http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=5&topic=etc-aliases |
| 18:43.27 | petemc | exim doesnt use newaliases |
| 18:43.43 | greycat | petemc: it doesn't? then why does that command exist? |
| 18:44.11 | petemc | postfix or sendmail? not sure |
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| 18:45.00 | greycat | "man newaliases" on my jessie box brings up exim4(8) |
| 18:45.13 | greycat | there is a paragraph for newaliases but it's confusing to me. I don't understand what it says. |
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| 18:45.44 | petemc | in essence it should say exim doesnt need it |
| 18:45.47 | jhutchins | greycat: I know one of the mailers checks the timestamp on the aliases file and automatically updates if it changes. |
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| 18:45.52 | greycat | whoever came up with "man exim4-config_files" and forgot to link aliases to that needs a slapping |
| 18:46.13 | greycat | petemc: well, it doesn't say that. |
| 18:46.20 | jhutchins | greycat: You can submit a bugreport on the man pages at the exim site. |
| 18:47.26 | mo1991reg | hmm, even setting the alias to root - there is no mailbox file in /var/mail/root - seems this used to be created automatically. looks like it is created automatically when using adduser for new users |
| 18:47.47 | mo1991reg | any idea how to set it up for root, or is this just a bad idea and i should be sending to one of my users the system mail? |
| 18:47.55 | greycat | mo1991reg: did you comment it out as I suggested? root:root sounds like an infinite loop and a VERY bad idea. |
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| 18:48.09 | greycat | mo1991reg: I am still trying to find a single place where the format of this file is documented |
| 18:48.17 | petemc | Sendmail interprets the -bi option as a request to rebuild its alias file. Exim does not have the concept of a single alias file, and so it cannot mimic this behaviour. However, calls to /usr/lib/sendmail with the -bi option tend to appear in various scripts such as NIS make files, so the option must be recognized. |
| 18:48.27 | greycat | The man page with a hyphen AND an underscore says two things that are NOT allowed, but it does not say what IS allowed. |
| 18:48.49 | mo1991reg | greycat - ill give it a try just commenting out and restarting exim. I agree that exim4 documentation seems hard to find / understand |
| 18:49.13 | petemc | exim docs are some of the best |
| 18:49.27 | greycat | petemc: Then where is the syntax of /etc/aliases described? |
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| 18:49.59 | mo1991reg | greycat - I have commented out the root : part of the file, still there is no /var/mail/root mailbox |
| 18:50.00 | petemc | within redirect router docs |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | All I've found so far is a bunch of hand-waving that assumes you know sendmail's format and that you don't want to do anything more complex than "a: b" |
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| 18:50.14 | greycat | mo1991reg: well, did you SEND SOME MAIL? |
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| 18:50.34 | petemc | greycat: thats pretty much it, if you want more exim filter can do that |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins | mo1991reg: mail spool files are only created when mail is received. |
| 18:50.58 | jhutchins | mo1991reg: On most systems any way. |
| 18:52.33 | mo1991reg | hmmm, still no mail file, it is still pointing to the old alias of an old user that doesn't exist anymore |
| 18:52.52 | mo1991reg | lets try the command newaliases |
| 18:53.00 | greycat | What is still pointing? How do you know? Did you send mail? |
| 18:53.08 | petemc | exim -bt root |
| 18:54.58 | ttyS1 | jhutchins: nope, not a game server |
| 18:55.59 | mo1991reg | root@debian -> /var/mail/mail |
| 18:56.02 | mo1991reg | petemc above |
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| 18:56.23 | mo1991reg | but mutt is looking for /var/mail/root |
| 18:56.54 | greycat | mo1991reg: then run "mutt -f /var/mail/mail" |
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| 18:56.57 | petemc | i dont think exim will deliver to root without some coaxing, so it may default to mail user |
| 18:57.05 | greycat | Yes, that's what it sounds like. |
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| 18:57.15 | greycat | qmail will not deliver to a superuser account either. |
| 18:58.32 | mo1991reg | hmm, it seems like older version of debian did deliver to root, but not a big deal. Lets see if it works ok if I change alias to my normal user |
| 18:58.53 | mo1991reg | although this does seem strange to me as I would think system messages would go to root mail |
| 18:59.00 | mo1991reg | as did previous version i believe |
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| 19:00.50 | mo1991reg | ok, it now sends to my regular user |
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| 19:00.53 | mo1991reg | thanks for the help |
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| 19:04.06 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 19:04.11 | asterismo | i have a couple of questions |
| 19:04.16 | asterismo | regarding cron |
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| 19:08.01 | Doyle | Would there be any harm in deleting file descriptors as shown with sudo lsof | grep deleted? |
| 19:08.13 | Doyle | sudo lsof | grep "(deleted)$" | sed -re 's/^\S+\s+(\S+)\s+\S+\s+([0-9]+).*/\1\/fd\/\2/' | while read file; do sudo bash -c ": > /proc/$file"; done |
| 19:08.31 | greycat | dear god |
| 19:09.07 | greycat | I sure as hell would not run that code. |
| 19:09.41 | greycat | If you or someone working for you deleted (unlinked) an open log file and it's causing issues, then you *might* conceivable get away with doing what your lsof thing is trying to do, but I'd do it BY HAND. |
| 19:09.53 | greycat | The correct answer is to restart the daemon or whatever is writing to the file. |
| 19:10.07 | SolarNRG | I'm willing to try it on an isolated vm'd lite install |
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| 19:10.36 | SolarNRG | oh btw are linux boxes also vulnerable to the hypervisor exploit? |
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| 19:11.14 | Doyle | My situation is that nginx write to error.log, logrotate does its thing, but the file descriptor is left taking up space on the drive until the nginx process is restarted |
| 19:11.39 | Doyle | SolarNRG, the escape exploit? |
| 19:11.56 | greycat | Doyle: Then your logrotate configuration is fucked up. Fix it. |
| 19:12.48 | Doyle | I've never seen logrotate do that, but then again I didn't configure this one.. |
| 19:13.05 | SolarNRG | hang on let me dig up the article |
| 19:13.05 | Doyle | I'll investigate it. Thanks greycat |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | http://wiki.nginx.org/CommandLine says you can send SIGUSR1 to the master nginx process to reopen the log files. |
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| 19:14.27 | SolarNRG | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/memory_hole_roots_intel_processors/ |
| 19:14.54 | SolarNRG | says this exploit's been going on since pentium pro, a layer between the bios and the os |
| 19:15.01 | Doyle | yikes |
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| 19:15.08 | Doyle | that's a funny story |
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| 19:25.37 | p0rt | hello! |
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| 19:26.01 | p0rt | Anybody has experience with installing debian over ssh? |
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| 19:26.32 | p0rt | I have server but I don't have physical acces to it |
| 19:27.12 | p0rt | and it's running live cd gentoo at the moment. I can dd debian image to other pendrive connected to it |
| 19:27.24 | p0rt | and then reboot system. |
| 19:27.42 | p0rt | but it won't automatically start ssh, will it? |
| 19:27.50 | jelly | p0rt: if you already have some sort of linux running, you can install using the debootstrap method |
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| 19:28.07 | p0rt | jelly: what is it? |
| 19:28.11 | jelly | !debotostrap |
| 19:28.14 | jelly | !debootstrap |
| 19:28.15 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 19:28.31 | greycat | The whole thing sounds scary to me. Make a new partition, debootstrap into it, then do ~~something magical~~ with grub and hope it reboots? What if it doesn't? |
| 19:28.54 | petemc | grub failback |
| 19:28.59 | p0rt | greycat: Then I won't have acces to it for about 2 weeks |
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| 19:29.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell p0rt about install guide |
| 19:29.01 | veggi3s | hi |
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| 19:29.08 | jelly | p0rt: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en <- debootstrap |
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| 19:29.26 | p0rt | jelly: thank you |
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| 19:30.07 | veggi3s | for pidgin, to change the default sound, i need a wav file or would a mp3 file or what would work? |
| 19:30.32 | jelly | p0rt: you're assumed to have significant admin experience, and can manually partition, format and mount filesystems and configure the boot loader in the first try :-) |
| 19:31.54 | p0rt | jelly: I've installed gentoo two days ago ^^ |
| 19:32.42 | p0rt | jelly: so debootstrap will simply download distro files to a specified partition |
| 19:33.00 | jelly | p0rt: poeple who can afford them use servers with out-of-band management (that usually offers access to console, power, reset button, and a way to boot from remote .iso image among other things) |
| 19:33.16 | wm4 | is migrating a 32 bit system to a 64 bit one still unsupported? |
| 19:33.21 | jelly | wm4: yes |
| 19:33.49 | wm4 | ok... then does anyone have an idea how to build a 64 bit nvidia kernel module, with 32 bit userspace libs? |
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| 19:34.04 | p0rt | jelly: yeah, but it's just an old server from my friend's company, and it's in my house |
| 19:34.49 | jelly | p0rt: which brand and model? |
| 19:34.53 | p0rt | jelly: so there is no support, except my parents, but they don't even know what sshd is :D |
| 19:34.54 | jhutchins | wm4: Yes, install 64 bit userspace libs. |
| 19:35.21 | p0rt | jelly: HP ProLiant ML110 |
| 19:35.32 | wm4 | jhutchins: sure, I already installed some... but I still can't get it to work... what m-a command should I use? |
| 19:35.34 | jelly | oh, ML110 might not have iLO |
| 19:35.41 | p0rt | jelly: I'm not sure, but it's something like this |
| 19:35.56 | p0rt | !iLO |
| 19:35.57 | dpkg | from memory, ilo is short for an Internet Linked Object. The current ILO registry can be found at http://www.openstandards.org/ilo/ |
| 19:35.58 | jelly | p0rt: which generation ML110 ? |
| 19:36.26 | p0rt | jelly: would it be great shame if i said I don't know? |
| 19:36.43 | wm4 | oh, I booted the wrong kernel |
| 19:36.49 | jelly | p0rt: usually says "ML110 G6" or something on the front |
| 19:37.03 | format_c | iLO stands for "Integrated Lights Out" |
| 19:37.08 | jelly | if there's no G anything, then it's first generation and really old :-) |
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| 19:37.10 | p0rt | jelly: but I'm 300km away |
| 19:37.29 | p0rt | jelly: probably :D It's at least 5 years ols |
| 19:37.33 | p0rt | old* |
| 19:37.35 | jelly | p0rt: ohm in that case you won't be able to use iLO even if it exists |
| 19:37.47 | p0rt | jelly: but chocolate-server and httpd work |
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| 19:38.08 | p0rt | jelly: I don't even know what iLO is :D |
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| 19:38.50 | format_c | You should ask your server hoster support how to cope with this situation. |
| 19:39.22 | jelly | p0rt: it's HP's brand of out-of-band management (remote console, keyboard and mouse, remote reset button, booting from .iso image via browser applet) |
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| 19:39.46 | jelly | format_c: server hoster is his parents, see backlog |
| 19:40.09 | format_c | oups |
| 19:40.19 | p0rt | jelly: sounds interesting :-) |
| 19:40.20 | format_c | bad choice in terms of expertise |
| 19:40.34 | jelly | format_c: but free electricity |
| 19:40.38 | p0rt | format_c: But the cheapest :D |
| 19:40.47 | p0rt | format_c: for me ;) |
| 19:40.51 | format_c | sure |
| 19:41.05 | format_c | I think the power consumption is even not charged |
| 19:41.58 | p0rt | format_c: yup |
| 19:42.57 | moss | anyone have any good documentation for qmail and debian with tls ? |
| 19:43.23 | p0rt | jelly: hey, when installing arch, you use tool called pacstrap |
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| 19:43.36 | __momak35NS | hi. please help me. i have some debt and I need to earn some money or the bank will took my house. so i am trying to earn something with youtube. i made interesting educational video about laws of the islamic state, so, please just click it and watch it so that I can earn some small amount of money. thank you. here is video, i hope you like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df4KB30K0UU&feature=youtu.be |
| 19:43.38 | p0rt | jelly: is it bootstraping tool? |
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| 19:44.17 | wm4 | so why can't I install module-assistant:amd64? |
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| 19:46.15 | p0rt | jelly: and unpacking stage3 is some kind of bootstraping too, am I right? |
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| 19:47.39 | allure | is there a memoserv here at freenode? |
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| 19:48.42 | TDSoul | allure, yes |
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| 19:49.19 | jelly | p0rt: I have no idea what "stage3" means or what arch's tools do, sorry |
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| 19:50.30 | srg2 | Hi. I updated my kernel and somehow broke grub. This is on an encrypted lvm system. When I boot now, I get "error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" and it brings me to the grub rescue mode. |
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| 19:51.36 | Doyle | srg2, boot-repair shoudl ask for your passphrase |
| 19:52.42 | srg2 | Doyle: from the grub rescue command line? It says unknown command boot-repair |
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| 19:54.28 | p0rt | jelly: ok ;-) |
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| 19:55.52 | wm4 | why doesn't let debian's m-a script let me cross compile the nvidia kernel module? |
| 19:56.05 | wm4 | technically it's well possible |
| 19:56.17 | c0fe_machine | cause this is linux |
| 19:56.39 | c0fe_machine | :} |
| 19:57.16 | veggi3s | once pidgin plays a wav file, it doesn't stop until it is over, and i tried muting the sound but it does't work, is there a way to stop it without exiting the whole program? |
| 19:57.24 | mo1991reg | anyone know a good howto setting up exim to listen on port 993 or 995? |
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| 19:59.16 | allure | TDSoul: thank you |
| 19:59.42 | veggi3s | how do i stop the sound dev on debian? |
| 20:00.09 | format_c | mo1991reg, exim handles SMTP. not IMAPS nor POP3S |
| 20:01.05 | mo1991reg | format_c - so what do I need to use to get imap or pop3 setup? |
| 20:01.42 | jelly | mo1991reg: an imap/pop3 service, like dovecot |
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| 20:01.54 | format_c | choose a service ( server ) that is designed for such services. e.g. courier or cyrus or dovecot |
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| 20:02.27 | mo1991reg | so dovecot will replace exim4? or will exim4 still be used for local mail? |
| 20:02.45 | mo1991reg | I am trying to just get a simple mail server setup but comcast blocks port 25 |
| 20:03.16 | jelly | wm4: because nobody taught it how to do that, yet? Cross-compile from which arch to which arch? |
| 20:03.29 | wm4 | ok I found out why it failed |
| 20:03.30 | mo1991reg | Ive done it before when comcast supported port 25 with exim4, but now need to use 993 |
| 20:03.47 | wm4 | someone was too greedy to use the same source tarball for 32 bit and 64 bit nvidia-kernel-source packages |
| 20:03.56 | jelly | wm4: it's not like nvidia-blob works on anything but i386 and amd64, or is it? |
| 20:04.01 | wm4 | so they contained the arch-specific nvidia binarty blob in both |
| 20:04.17 | wm4 | s/in both/not in both/ |
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| 20:05.15 | p0rt | jelly: is there a debootstrap method from .tar.gz or something similiar? |
| 20:05.33 | jelly | mo1991reg: exim does one thing, SMTP protocol. Dovecot does IMAP (and POP3 if you really need to have it), they're independent. |
| 20:05.44 | p0rt | jelly: I don't habe debootstrap on gentoo livecd |
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| 20:05.55 | p0rt | have* |
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| 20:06.19 | jelly | p0rt: there's no need to do it from a tar.gz, the script goes online and fetches everything from the debian mirror you specify. |
| 20:06.30 | jelly | p0rt: it's a shell script. Get it. |
| 20:06.35 | mo1991reg | jelly, i see. and typically sendmail would be used for outgoing mail correct? |
| 20:06.51 | jelly | mo1991reg: exim replaces and provides everything that sendmail used to do. |
| 20:06.59 | p0rt | jelly: ok, found guide for it ;) |
| 20:07.14 | mo1991reg | jelly, so if my isp blocks port 25, what do I use to send outgoing mail? |
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| 20:07.43 | veggi3s | For pidgin, i have a 3 min wav music file as a buddy pounce, now once i am alerted and awake, is there a way to turn off that music without exiting the whole program? even the mute and lower volumn buttons on my laptop dont work nor do anything |
| 20:08.04 | jelly | mo1991reg: you configure your SMTP software (which can be exim) to use your ISP's smarthost |
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| 20:08.34 | greycat | Or another host that you control on the outside capable of sending mail without restrictions. |
| 20:09.01 | mo1991reg | huh, that's annoying. Hate it when ISP's block ports |
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| 20:09.45 | jelly | mo1991reg: blocking outbound port 25 from dynamically assigned ranges has more benefits than issues. |
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| 20:10.17 | mo1991reg | jelly - just curious why that is? My guess is spam but is there any other reasons? |
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| 20:11.00 | jelly | mo1991reg: spam causes workload on your ISP's abuse staff, their callcenter, and their customers. |
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| 20:11.55 | jelly | (I work for an ISP. The volume of abuse work went down by an order of magnitude after implementing that crap) |
| 20:12.08 | mo1991reg | jelly - makes sense, but it used to be blocked but you could ask for it to be unblocked. I do have another server with it unblocked. Guess I'll have to set that up and use it as a smarthost |
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| 20:13.22 | jelly | mo1991reg: your delivery % would be extremely low anyway, unless you had a static IP address, FcrDNS, and some other stuff. |
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| 20:14.26 | jelly | and what use is sending mail if gmail and yahoo and outlook.com are just going to throw it in Junk |
| 20:14.32 | mo1991reg | jelly, I realize that, I'm more doing this as a learning exercise, and once i test it for a bit I may get a static IP |
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| 20:15.03 | SolarNRG | mo1991reg, maybe move to a country that isn't a dictatorship and respects freedom of information? |
| 20:15.07 | mo1991reg | jelly - i know most email providers will spam it. |
| 20:15.21 | jelly | mo1991reg: you'll be learning wrong things, then. Get a $3 VPS with a static IP and set _that_ up as a smtp server. |
| 20:16.04 | mo1991reg | jelly, if I have a server that has unblocked port 25 and can set it up as static wouldn't that work fine? |
| 20:16.20 | jelly | then let your local machine send via your VPS, using submission (SMTP AUTH, port 587) |
| 20:16.21 | kruug | Why is it every time that I use wget or curl, I get SSL Certificate errors? |
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| 20:17.09 | jelly | mo1991reg: that is functionally equivalent, _if_ you're also able to set up FcrDNS and stuff :-) |
| 20:17.17 | DexterF | debian on single disk. wnat to migrate to raid1. a) use mdadm or the controller's raid1 feature? b) if mdadm: anyway to raid-ify the existing disk or need to copy all to a new md device? |
| 20:17.55 | jelly | DexterF: mdadm unless you have a true hw raid controller (ie. not the motherboard thing) |
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| 20:18.26 | mo1991reg | SolarNRG - Sadly, things are moving in the wrong direction here : |
| 20:18.26 | DexterF | jelly: 15 bucks pcie1x controller |
| 20:19.02 | DexterF | JMB363 chipset, if that helps |
| 20:19.11 | mo1991reg | jelly, thanks for the help - I have not used a VPS before. My understanding is its basically a virtual machine set up in a cloud. Is that correct? |
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| 20:20.18 | greycat | yes |
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| 20:21.51 | jelly | DexterF: jmicron sounds as if you shouldn't bother, just use mdadm |
| 20:22.31 | DexterF | jelly: which was my plan A anyway. alright. but I need to copy the existing drive's data to a new mdadm array, correct? |
| 20:22.55 | jelly | DexterF: in some way, yes |
| 20:23.18 | mo1991reg | greycat, isn't in more secure to run a mailserver on metal if possible? to me having files sit on a cloud somewhere with unknown access seems much less secure. For all things not just email server. Do you agree?? |
| 20:23.38 | greycat | How vital is your email? |
| 20:23.58 | jelly | mo1991reg: no, metal does not make things inherently more secure. |
| 20:23.59 | SolarNRG | mo1991reg, that's only because most nation's populations are apathetic towards attitude |
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| 20:24.18 | mo1991reg | greycat - it's not, I'm just asking from a theoretical point of view. Cloud to me seems insecure |
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| 20:24.43 | mo1991reg | As the control of the data is in someone elses hands |
| 20:25.33 | greycat | You have to perform your own risk assessment, using your own criteria for determining what you are protecting, from whom, why. |
| 20:26.07 | greycat | I know that's vague, but c'mon, my personal email is 99.9% spam. I get something from a family member like once a amonth. |
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| 20:27.26 | SolarNRG | there's this evil gang called the UN, 193 governments meet and discuss how better to enslave humanity, humanity can only truly be free if all 193 of these governments at the exact same time cease to be |
| 20:27.31 | mo1991reg | greycat - makes sense. I certainly am not concerned that someone is reading my email from a something is illegal etc. but I don't believe that anyone should be able to read my email from a human rights point of view |
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| 20:28.35 | SolarNRG | anarchy rulez! |
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| 20:30.41 | greycat | mo1991reg: You would have to decide how much you trust your VPS provider and whatever contract you have with them. |
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| 20:32.13 | mo1991reg | right. I just figure I don't like gmail , my isp, or anyone else being able to read my email if I can set it up so they can't. |
| 20:32.50 | greycat | Then at that point you need to look into encryption at the file system level. |
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| 20:33.27 | greycat | (Which helps only for mail that's sitting still. The email will still arrive over an unencrypted SMTP link. If that link is sniffed, the email is already leaked.) |
| 20:33.28 | SolarNRG | ultimately isn't it the courts ordering the isps to block certain ports, the isps are only doing as they are told, the courts are being ordered by the government, the government is meant to represent our interests, I say we want those ports unblocked but every time you pertition the government they just fob u off and say ur wrong, then you say u are meant to represent us and u clearly don't u represent the interests of a small minority of a central ba |
| 20:33.28 | SolarNRG | nker cabal |
| 20:34.30 | mo1991reg | greycat - if the filesystem is encrypted that should take care of the email sitting still, but can't smtp be encrypted? |
| 20:34.32 | SolarNRG | at the next election we should all just vote for "none of the above" |
| 20:34.34 | greycat | SolarNRG: I realize you are trolling, but no, it is not the courts mandating ISPs block ports. The ISPs do that of their own free will to reduce the impact of malware on their customers' Windows PCs. |
| 20:35.02 | SolarNRG | greycat? seriously I left Britain 3 years ago cos they blocked all the torrent sites under court order |
| 20:35.16 | greycat | SolarNRG: oh, you are not talking about SMTP. |
| 20:35.19 | greycat | The rest of us are. |
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| 20:36.26 | SolarNRG | in that case greycat can't u just write a letter of complaint to the tech department of your isp and formally ask them to unblock the ports? if that doesn't work try getting lawyers on the case to demand it |
| 20:36.43 | greycat | mo1991reg: email sent from bobsdiscountllamahouse.com to yourdomain.org is not going to be encrypted, no. |
| 20:37.30 | mo1991reg | greycat, isn't smtp with ssl/tls going to be encrypted when I send it out? |
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| 20:37.56 | greycat | mo1991reg: Why would bob's discount llama house bother encrypting the spam it is sending you? |
| 20:38.29 | tremon | mo1991reg: no. The connection between the two mail servers will be encrypted, but your message isn't, and there's no guarantee every hop will be encrypted either |
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| 20:38.54 | mo1991reg | greycat, understood. But I can at least use ssl/tls to send out the email correct |
| 20:39.30 | greycat | Encryption usually open happens between your MUA (mail client, like Outlook or Icesomething) to your personal mail server. Not between domains. |
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| 20:40.27 | mo1991reg | tremon, I see what your saying, so the only way to really encrypt the email is to use pGp encryption??/ |
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| 20:40.37 | greycat | Yes, end to end. |
| 20:41.00 | greycat | If the message is encrypted before it ever leaves your MUA, then it can't easily be sniffed. (They can sniff the ciphertext, but good luck breaking it.) |
| 20:41.17 | mo1991reg | greycat - which most only would work for the .1% of people receiving the email |
| 20:41.51 | tremon | and for obvious reasons, the message "metadata" (i.e. from, to, when) cannot be encrypted |
| 20:41.53 | greycat | And even fewer than 0.1% *care*. |
| 20:42.21 | mo1991reg | no doubt about the not caring of most people :) |
| 20:43.19 | mo1991reg | interesting conversation. |
| 20:44.40 | mo1991reg | for someone to read an email that is sent / stored locally, they would have to be actively sniffing the emails however, correct? As opposed to if its sitting on a gmail server someone from google can just read all of them sitting on the server? |
| 20:45.49 | SolarNRG | why don't we all just stop using email and start using gpg encrypted 1024 bit keys through torchat? wouldn't that make us a lot more secure and anonymous? |
| 20:45.51 | greycat | If Alice (at a.com) sends email to Bob (at b.com), then the email exists in several different states over time. Initially it is only in memory on Alice's client. Then Alice hits "send" and it goes to the a.com mail server (internal interface). |
| 20:46.07 | greycat | Then a.com sends the mail to b.com over some unknown set of unencrypted relays. |
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| 20:46.34 | greycat | b.com stores it somewhere, somehow, and notifies Bob (or Bob asks) that there is new mail to be read. Then Bob's client receives a copy, and Bob can read it. |
| 20:46.55 | tremon | *possibly unencrypted*, I'd say. And Bob's client and/or server may have forwarding rules to process |
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| 20:47.23 | tremon | so it may end up in any number of mailboxes other than Bob's as well |
| 20:47.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | SolarNRG, mind 1024 bit RSA isn't quite secure for today |
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| 20:48.54 | SolarNRG | Eduard_Munteanu, whaaat? they broke 1024 bit? HOW? I was told it would take all the computers in the world combined until beyond the end of the universe to crack a 1024 bit code!? |
| 20:49.11 | mo1991reg | tremon & greycat - this makes sense. This shouldn't happen if Alice is running her own exim server and so is Bob though, correct? ( I realize again this would be the .1 percent of emails) |
| 20:49.30 | greycat | What do you mean, "shouldn't happen"? |
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| 20:49.35 | mo1991reg | it would then only sit on each exim server, or am I correct |
| 20:49.38 | greycat | Alice has no control over how b.com's mail servers work. |
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| 20:50.09 | nymous | SolarNRG: because of this https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 20:50.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | SolarNRG, minimum recommendation are for at least 2048 bit keys for RSA, because 1024 bit keys are thought to be breakable shortly if not now |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | And Bob has no control over how a.com sends outgoing mail. |
| 20:50.15 | DexterF | ddrescue-copying an iso to a usb stick ddrescue sucks the entire iso into buffers, then claims transfer is 1.3GB/s and stalls its output. can't tell if it is doing anything anymore at all. how do I prevent that? |
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| 20:50.35 | mo1991reg | greycat, I know what you mean. I guess my point was if you had an email server set just for you, and I had one set up just for me, I could sent you an email and it would only sit on our two machines correct? |
| 20:50.52 | greycat | mo1991reg: it would at some point pass through various ISP routers along the way. |
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| 20:51.16 | DexterF | Eduard_Munteanu: breakable as in "crackable in reasonable time" or as in "there is a theoretical collision at 2^60"? |
| 20:51.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | DexterF, the former |
| 20:51.42 | DexterF | hmmm. |
| 20:51.46 | mo1991reg | greycat - yes, so they could sniff it, but it shouldn't sit on the ISP servers should it? |
| 20:51.52 | tremon | mo1991reg: assuming Bob is in full control of all MX servers for his domain, yes. Many businesses have a secondary (fallback) mailserver outside of their network (e.g. isp mail store-and-forward service) |
| 20:52.08 | jelly | DexterF: within expected range of nation-states and (other) rich criminals |
| 20:52.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | DexterF, for a large, government-like entity with a lot of money on their hands, and it depends on TWIRL's availability I think |
| 20:52.26 | DexterF | "twirl"? |
| 20:52.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | DexterF, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWIRL |
| 20:53.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | 'if TWIRL were built, it would be able to factor 1024-bit numbers in one year at the cost of "a few dozen million US dollars".' |
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| 20:54.16 | greycat | mo1991reg: In the most naive setup, no, the ISP routers would not store any information for more than however many microseconds it takes to get the packets onto the wire. But you don't know whether XYZ ISP has taken an interest in your email and may be logging it all. |
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| 20:54.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | BTW, also see http://www.keylength.com/ |
| 20:55.56 | cxd13 | greycat: hey i never was able to get my system to use custom dns servers. i tried a couple methods i read online that didn't work |
| 20:55.57 | phogg | I've been doing 2048 for years. If you want reasonable safety for some data for ~20 years I'd start with double that. |
| 20:56.23 | mo1991reg | greycat - which I guess gets us back to SolarNRG, and wondering if they are just datalogging everyones emails :) Because thats the only way they would have any interest in mine :) |
| 20:56.47 | greycat | Which in turn boils down to "how vital is your email". |
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| 20:57.23 | SolarNRG | mo1991reg, snowden claims they aren't targetting terrorists, they are in fact turning a blind eye to them to justify increased funding they are actually doing blanket survellience |
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| 20:58.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, blanket surveillance is ilikely to be very expensive and not worth much. |
| 20:58.35 | greycat | Expense doesn't matter when the people you're spying on are paying for it with their taxes. |
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| 20:59.23 | mo1991reg | greycat - the answer is - not very vital - still kinda scary though, I knew gmail and stuff was not secure but didn't really think about how no email is secure unless using encryption / anonymizing methods |
| 20:59.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, but theoretically-tractable problems such as breaking some keys suddenly get completely impractical when doing blanket surveillance, i.e. you don't have a target. |
| 21:00.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | It is feasible to crunch at a highly-suspicious message if there's bang for the buck, not so much for tapping any conversation. |
| 21:00.48 | phogg | Eduard_Munteanu: that's why they like to have pre-created backdoors |
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| 21:01.36 | jhutchins | Gentlemen, I don't see much in the scrollbuffer here tat's related to Debian support. |
| 21:01.41 | phogg | Eduard_Munteanu: the easiest way to decrypt is still social engineering and not brute force cracking |
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| 21:01.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah. |
| 21:02.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | They still rely on good ol' methods. |
| 21:02.17 | jhutchins | Perhaps a move to #security is in order? |
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| 21:02.25 | jhutchins | There ya go. |
| 21:02.42 | mo1991reg | jhutchins, I do believe we got a little off topic - we did start with smtp servers :) |
| 21:02.43 | SolarNRG | Eduard_Munteanu, well maybe it's time to pull the plug on the NSA seeing as it eats up billions upon billions of dollars per year of taxpayer money and it works with other governments doign the same thing in parallel ie Britain's GCHQ and Canada, NZ and Aussie, the "5 eyes network" |
| 21:02.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | For a moment I thought this was ##crypto, heh. |
| 21:03.27 | SolarNRG | I really don't like the way cyberspace is headed, hence my shift away from windows 2 week ago, I am now WINDOWS FREE |
| 21:03.48 | jhutchins | Does anybody know if the bug where apache didn't honor ServerAlias was in the last version for Lenny? |
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| 21:03.58 | greycat | *lenny* ?! |
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| 21:04.46 | jhutchins | greycat: Hey, it got upgraded from etch! |
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| 21:07.14 | greycat | The only lenny apache box I've got available is using ServerName and not ServerAlias, so no idea. |
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| 21:07.39 | greycat | TIAS? |
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| 21:20.26 | tester | Hello, how do I install a pkg that is available by default in ubuntu |
| 21:20.48 | tremon | tester: first, install ubuntu... |
| 21:21.24 | tester | do you mean debian users aren't supposed to use ubuntu pkgs? |
| 21:21.34 | tremon | yes |
| 21:21.44 | tester | seriously? |
| 21:22.03 | tremon | ubuntu packages are built for ubuntu's library versions, and it's a seriously bad idea to mix them |
| 21:22.11 | peterrooney | tester: absolutely serious. /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 21:22.36 | Tom01 | Is someone familiar with ffmpeg. Is there an option to ignore vob files? |
| 21:22.52 | tester | I mean, not the Ubuntu pkg but the program. I want to install a program that is available in ubuntu. Since ubuntu is based on debian I thought I could install it on debian as well? e.g. a debian version |
| 21:23.32 | phogg | tester: ubuntu is more inspired by than based on. It is not Debian repos + stuff, it's an entire rebuild from source and with changes. |
| 21:23.56 | tremon | tester: which program? many ubuntu packages are available in debian as well, but not all of them |
| 21:24.45 | tester | ok how do I check if a pkg that is available in Ubuntu is also available in debian? the program is florence but I want to learn, how do I find out it's availability on the web? |
| 21:25.04 | tester | do you use ppas in debian? |
| 21:25.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | tester, see the search form at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 21:25.45 | tremon | on the web you would search packages.debian.org. But I prefer to search locally, "apt-cache search florence" |
| 21:26.00 | tester | I tried that |
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| 21:26.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | tester, the package names needn't be the same though |
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| 21:26.26 | phogg | tester: If apt-cache search doesn't find it then the repos in your sources.list don't include it. That's okay, some might (and in this case do) |
| 21:26.58 | tester | if that's ok then how do I get it? |
| 21:27.20 | phogg | tester: what release of debian are you running? And what repo(s) do you have configured? |
| 21:27.50 | phogg | I see a florence as far back as wheezy and in squeeze-backports, too |
| 21:27.59 | tester | does uname -a give me that info? |
| 21:28.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | tester, cat /etc/issue |
| 21:28.31 | phogg | tester: no, use lsb_release -a (if installed) |
| 21:28.43 | jhutchins | tester: It's possible that the project packages it for debian but debian hasn't incorporated it for some reason. |
| 21:29.00 | tester | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 21:29.03 | jhutchins | tester: Generally we don't use and don't support ppas. |
| 21:29.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or see your apt sources. |
| 21:29.22 | jelly | tester: that's squeeze, really quite old |
| 21:29.24 | jhutchins | tester: lsb_release -a |
| 21:29.34 | jelly | ,v florence |
| 21:29.35 | judd | Package: florence on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.5.0-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.5.1-1; wheezy-backports: 0.6.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.6.3-1; stretch: 0.6.3-1 |
| 21:29.40 | tester | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.10 (squeeze) |
| 21:30.05 | tester | is squeezy older or newer than wheezy? |
| 21:30.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell tester about squeeze-backports |
| 21:30.13 | jelly | older. |
| 21:30.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's Squeeze. :) |
| 21:30.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell tester about squeeze-lts |
| 21:30.28 | phogg | tester: see https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 21:30.33 | jelly | !release history |
| 21:30.34 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 21:30.46 | tester | what? lolol |
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| 21:31.36 | tester | very nice |
| 21:32.08 | tester | so how did you find out florence ain't available for squeeze? |
| 21:32.44 | jelly | they looked at packages.debian.org, or read the output of judd above |
| 21:33.30 | tester | I search for it on that website and find nothing |
| 21:33.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=florence&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 21:34.05 | tester | I was looking on the wrong sectoin |
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| 21:34.48 | tester | so in order to get florence I need to be using Jessie, correct? |
| 21:35.20 | jelly | or wheezy, or add squeeze-backports repos |
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| 21:35.41 | jelly | tester: but the current release is preferred if possible |
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| 21:36.16 | tester | I'm assuming Jesssie because I see "Jessie" and also highlighted on the top. jelly how do you know it's also possible to install it on wheezy. In what part of the page does it say that? |
| 21:36.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | wheezy (oldstable) (web): extensible and scalable virtual keyboard for GNOME |
| 21:36.55 | jelly | tester: are we looking at the same page? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=florence&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 21:37.24 | tester | ah, we weren't. Now I see |
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| 21:37.39 | stallmen | guys |
| 21:37.44 | stallmen | i thin i might install this |
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| 21:38.32 | tester | or do you know of a good on-screen keyboard? |
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| 21:38.46 | stallmen | whats the difference between debian and ubuntu |
| 21:39.02 | zh1 | if i install xfce on debian will i need to select too desktop environment option? |
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| 21:39.51 | mo1991reg | zhl - personally I prefer to install gnome aka desktop environment so it pulls all the gnome apps, then install xfce |
| 21:39.53 | jelly | stallmen: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian |
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| 21:41.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | zh1, you can install the task or use tasksel to select it |
| 21:41.23 | tester | I'm looking at the florence squeese backports page. I see a lot of "dep" pkggs below. Are those all dependencies? do I have to install all of that manueally before downloading florence? |
| 21:41.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | tester, no, you just need the backports repo in your sources list. |
| 21:41.54 | jelly | tester: no, that's what apt is for. |
| 21:42.07 | tester | ok how do I add the repo? |
| 21:42.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | No manual downloading of anything. |
| 21:42.26 | cxd13 | how do i tell debian what dns servers to use? |
| 21:42.36 | jelly | tester: read what the dpkg bot told you, in a private message, about squeeze-backports. |
| 21:42.46 | tester | what was the command? |
| 21:43.00 | tester | oh |
| 21:43.06 | jelly | tester: to get the info again? /msg dpkg squeeze-backports |
| 21:43.21 | zh1 | Eduard_Munteanu, i mean here http://www.server-world.info/en/Debian_8/x/img/1.png |
| 21:43.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | cxd13, how is your network configured? NetworkManager or /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:44.04 | cxd13 | it was autoconfigured during install, i use wicd network manager so i haven't touched /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:44.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell cxd13 about override dns |
| 21:44.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | zh1, yeah, select xfce... I'm not sure it makes any sense to deselect the desktop environment option itself |
| 21:44.40 | zh1 | Eduard_Munteanu, but will i need first option too, thats my doubt |
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| 21:44.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | zh1, I think so |
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| 21:45.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | zh1, it shouldn't let you deselect it |
| 21:45.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | If you already have xfce selected |
| 21:45.23 | zh1 | i think it does, but ill check |
| 21:45.36 | cxd13 | jelly: thanks. will that replace the old dns servers or just put the new ones in front of them? |
| 21:46.18 | jhutchins | cxd13: Depends on how you configure it. |
| 21:46.28 | jelly | cxd13: read the bot's instructions CAREFULLY |
| 21:46.38 | jelly | it answers that question, too |
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| 21:47.09 | jelly | cxd13: "supersede" basically means "replace" |
| 21:47.49 | cxd13 | i entered that command with sudo echo.. and it still says permission denied |
| 21:48.35 | cxd13 | sudo echo "supersede domain-name-servers x.x.x.x;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 21:48.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | >> is outside the sudo |
| 21:49.12 | jelly | cxd13: shell redirection is evaluated before the command is run, so "sudo echo >> foo" tries to append to foo as you, and _then_ runs sudo with redirected output |
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| 21:49.42 | jelly | cxd13: simple thing is to open a proper root shell (using eg. sudo -i), then run it |
| 21:50.17 | cxd13 | jelly: i don't have an actual root account |
| 21:50.26 | jelly | sure you do. |
| 21:50.33 | tremon | ,file bin/chef-apply |
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| 21:50.38 | judd | Search for bin/chef-apply in jessie/amd64: chef: usr/bin/chef-apply |
| 21:50.44 | cxd13 | oh |
| 21:50.47 | tester | I'm having trouble adding the repository from terminal. |
| 21:51.00 | tremon | urgh. don't mind me :) |
| 21:51.31 | jelly | gives tremon a "/msg judd" |
| 21:51.47 | tester | add-apt-repository is not "found" |
| 21:52.34 | jelly | tester: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:53.06 | tester | I'm trying to add-apt-repository 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/shimmerproject/ppa/ubuntu quantal main' |
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| 21:53.56 | jelly | tester: well, have fun breaking your debian system, probably by just editing sources.list manually |
| 21:54.19 | tester | ok, is it not possible to add repositries in debian from terminal? |
| 21:54.46 | jelly | tester: sure it is, by editing or appending to /etc/apt/sources.list manually |
| 21:55.27 | tester | so the file is edited always, either graphically or via terminal? |
| 21:55.30 | jelly | tester: in fact, that's what you just did adding squeeze-backports, didn't you? |
| 21:55.49 | tester | that's what I was trying to do and didn't work |
| 21:55.55 | jelly | how did it fail? |
| 21:56.22 | tester | I was trying to use add-apt-repositry. I'll now try editing the file |
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| 21:57.16 | jelly | tester: okay, but 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/shimmerproject/ppa/ubuntu quantal main' isn't squeeze-backports. We don't know what mixing a repo made for Ubuntu may do to your system. |
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| 21:57.49 | tester | oh, I think the wrong repo was giving to me. What is it again? |
| 21:58.05 | jelly | tester: /msg dpkg squeeze-backports |
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| 21:58.23 | tester | please ignore my prrevious comment |
| 21:58.42 | stallmen | whats better for a server? ubuntu or debian |
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| 21:59.00 | jelly | stallmen: try both, then come back tell us which worked better |
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| 21:59.20 | stallmen | no |
| 21:59.56 | jelly | stallmen: but really, you're in #debian, what kind of answer do you expect to get? |
| 22:00.10 | stallmen | well somebody has to have tried both |
| 22:00.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | stallmen, a closer comparison is Ubuntu LTS to Debian stable |
| 22:00.26 | jelly | stallmen: I've tried both. |
| 22:00.40 | stallmen | yeah but i dont want debian stable |
| 22:00.43 | stallmen | cuz i want the newest stuff |
| 22:00.51 | stallmen | or is that a bad idea |
| 22:00.55 | jelly | for a server, you don't want "newest stuff" |
| 22:01.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Depends on the server. |
| 22:01.05 | bejelith | so u should run prod servers stallmen :P |
| 22:01.11 | bejelith | shouldnt** |
| 22:01.13 | jelly | stallmen: you want "has security fixes and has known bugs" |
| 22:01.14 | cra1g321 | if debian doesnt offer what you need, its simple , use something else |
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| 22:01.57 | stallmen | jelly: since you've tried both tell me your experience with both |
| 22:02.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | If it's a traditional server doing one job, you want stable. If you need to mix multiple technologies in a non-obvious way, maybe you do need bleeding-edge stuff. |
| 22:02.03 | stallmen | what are the pros and cons of each |
| 22:02.06 | jelly | cra1g321: in my case it's "use debian anyway because it's a damn good platform, and pick the remaining few bits from somewhere else" |
| 22:02.13 | jelly | stallmen: no |
| 22:02.40 | stallmen | ok |
| 22:02.47 | stallmen | im going to #ubuntu then |
| 22:02.54 | jelly | stallmen: you're a longtime troll asking vague questions in many channels, I won't waste time explaining my reasons in detail. Ask specific questions. |
| 22:03.09 | tester | Breaking debian system for an ubuntu seems rather easy. Is there a way to back-up/restore the system before making changes so that if you screw something up you can revert back? |
| 22:03.17 | tester | *ubuntu user |
| 22:03.38 | jelly | tester: nope, make sure your previously-set-up backups are working. :-) |
| 22:03.50 | bejelith | jelly +1 for u |
| 22:03.54 | tester | and how do I set up new backups? |
| 22:03.59 | jelly | heh |
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| 22:05.07 | phogg | tester: breaking things is hard with correct packages (Debian has this) if you (1) run only stable and don't mix releases, (2) don't rm things as root, (3) never --force things with dpkg. |
| 22:05.15 | jelly | tester: there are dozens of backup tools, you might just make a tarball of the whole system. You might make a snapshot of the VM in question. You might set up rsnapshot to a remote machine, or bacula, or backuppc, or obnam or ... |
| 22:05.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | That being said, I have run servers which Debian stable couldn't handle because of the lack of packages. |
| 22:05.51 | jelly | tester: if it's a VM, it's usually fairly easy to make a snapshot and conditionally revert back if things go wrong |
| 22:05.59 | tester | does zipping the system really work? |
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| 22:06.04 | deepy | Eduard_Munteanu: make your own packages? |
| 22:06.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | deepy, too much of a hassle in some cases |
| 22:06.26 | bejelith | Eduard_Munteanu i wouldn't go for debian if i weren't able to maintain the distort myself |
| 22:06.31 | jelly | tester: I've migrated systems via tar, so yes. |
| 22:06.32 | bejelith | distro* |
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| 22:06.51 | bejelith | but's that's true for every distro |
| 22:07.00 | Amnesia | question, is there anyone over here using vim-python-jedi? |
| 22:07.04 | Amnesia | I can't get it to work |
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| 22:07.54 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: a smart admin will use the tool most appropriate for the job. Sometimes Debian isn't the most appropriate platform. IME that's not too often! |
| 22:08.09 | cra1g321 | ^ that |
| 22:08.21 | tester | and which folders need to be included in the tarball? the whole /? I ask because if I have a lot of things in /home then it would take very long, wouldn't it? |
| 22:08.35 | jelly | plays is safe and backs up everything |
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| 22:09.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | tester, don't try backing up pseudo filesystems like /proc or /sys |
| 22:09.24 | tester | should I exclude those folders from the tarball? |
| 22:09.30 | jelly | GNU tar has --one-file-system |
| 22:09.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes. |
| 22:09.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Well, that works if your stuff is all on the same filesystem. |
| 22:09.55 | jelly | (rsync has -x / --one-file-system too) |
| 22:10.13 | tester | by "the same filesystem" do you mean the same partition? |
| 22:10.25 | bejelith | mount point |
| 22:10.34 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: I guess it's not too hard to enumerate all the real mountpoints as parameters for tar? |
| 22:10.45 | tester | and when I'm restoring I must do it from a livecd right? |
| 22:11.04 | jelly | rescue mode will do as well |
| 22:11.13 | jelly | but a livecd is slightly safer |
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| 22:11.55 | tester | ok I've sucessfully added the backports repo but then I get "florence ain't gonna be installed". This means I've broken my system already, right? |
| 22:12.02 | jelly | no |
| 22:12.11 | jelly | !bat |
| 22:12.11 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:12.18 | jelly | tester: ^^ follow that. |
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| 22:13.24 | jelly | tester: if possible, put the output of all three commands in the same pastebin |
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| 22:15.44 | cxd13 | sometimes i plug in a usb hard drive and it's detected, but most of the time it isn't. what could cause that? it's a brand new device and i have two of them |
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| 22:16.04 | cxd13 | i checked dmesg when it doesn't work and it doesn't detect it connected. but when i plug it in, it powers on the device |
| 22:16.06 | tester | like this? http://paste.debian.net/292317/ |
| 22:16.10 | pycoderf | hello debian people. anyone here familiar with moinmoin |
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| 22:17.26 | tester | is trying again |
| 22:18.33 | tester | http://paste.debian.net/292318/ |
| 22:18.51 | tester | IDK what's happening. I swear I pasted everything |
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| 22:19.46 | tester | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12083769/ |
| 22:21.06 | Brigo | cxd13, it could be a hardware problem. What kind of disk is? |
| 22:21.43 | jelly | tester: what happens if you "apt-get -s -f install" ? (-s makes it a no-op) |
| 22:22.34 | cxd13 | Brigo: it's a hard drive docking station |
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| 22:22.54 | tester | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12083792/ |
| 22:23.02 | cxd13 | Brigo: HDD |
| 22:23.15 | Brigo | cxd13, is it powered or get the power from the usb? |
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| 22:23.51 | tester | BTW, I can't install anything else apparently. I'm trying to install pastebinit but it tells me there are unmet dependencies without even telling me if pastebinit is available or not |
| 22:23.55 | jelly | tester: looks good, do it without -s now to make apt's state consistent, then try installing florence again |
| 22:24.54 | cxd13 | Brigo: it is powered. when i plug the usb in, the drive spins so it detects something. but the computer doesn't detect it 70% of the time. if i unplug and plug the USB several times it will eventually pick it up |
| 22:25.06 | pycoderf | anyone willing to help with a wiki install? |
| 22:25.18 | tester | jelly did it and got same error |
| 22:25.42 | Brigo | cxd13, did you try several usb ports? any port from the back of the computer? |
| 22:25.54 | tester | does debian prevent you from installing software until everything is in order? |
| 22:26.01 | jelly | tester: apt does. |
| 22:26.38 | jelly | (and it's not "everything", but "everything that deals with package manager state") |
| 22:26.56 | tester | then why doesn't it happen in ubuntu? e.g. it installs and tells you about conflicts afterwareds |
| 22:27.16 | phogg | tester: it doesn't, it's the same in ubuntu |
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| 22:27.21 | jelly | tester: that's... unlikely |
| 22:27.41 | tester | but if I want to install a package and solve conflicts later can't I do it? |
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| 22:27.56 | jelly | tester: you can't, not with apt |
| 22:28.27 | jelly | tester: pastebin also: apt-cache policy libatspi1.0-0 libpanel-applet2-0 |
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| 22:28.34 | cxd13 | Brigo: i switched between two different usb ports. it seems to not make a difference. |
| 22:28.45 | cxd13 | it's a laptop so none in back |
| 22:28.53 | cxd13 | but i could try the other side of the laptop |
| 22:29.13 | Brigo | cxd13, i quotation from a link i am checked: " |
| 22:29.13 | Brigo | |
| 22:29.13 | Brigo | I have seen this before as well and some BIOS have an option to wait a moment before trying to detect the hard drive in order to allow for this slow drive power-up issue. â Insomnic" |
| 22:30.04 | tester | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12083839/ |
| 22:30.06 | Brigo | another quotation: "4 possible answers: 1) dying hard drive 2) your PSU is dying/too small for the system 3) your motherboard is dying 4) the cable is faulty.Take your pick |
| 22:30.07 | cxd13 | Brigo: ohh, maybe that's the problem. it's too slow to power up |
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| 22:30.32 | tester | You guys are friendly but debian itself seems tough |
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| 22:32.40 | pycoderf | tester i have not had luck with people here |
| 22:33.06 | tester | BTW, I don't have sound. The only sound I get is the computer beep and apps such as totem have the volume icon greyed out. |
| 22:33.14 | tester | pycoderf really? |
| 22:33.29 | pycoderf | tester: yes |
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| 22:34.52 | jelly | tester: it'd probably be slightly less tough if you'd picked to go with an installation of debian 8, instead of an old squeeze... but hey. Does "aptitude install florence" say anything different than apt? |
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| 22:35.21 | tester | Maybe all my problems are due to my old debian version? could I do some sort of "apt upgrade" and get a newer version just like I had installed it? I'm on a distro called AVLinux. This is the latest release |
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| 22:35.45 | jelly | tester: I thought it was Debian? |
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| 22:36.01 | tester | it's based on debian |
| 22:36.02 | jelly | avlinux sounds like a derivative |
| 22:36.20 | tester | aptitude command not found |
| 22:36.37 | jelly | install it, then try it |
| 22:36.46 | jelly | !avlinux |
| 22:36.46 | dpkg | AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a 32-bit Live DVD distribution based on Debian <squeeze> (as of version 6). It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://remastersys.com/forums/?board=20 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:37.53 | tester | "install it then try it" I can't install until I fix conflicts you said so jelly |
| 22:38.07 | jelly | tester: install aptitude. |
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| 22:38.37 | tester | if I wasn't able to install "pastebinit" and "htop" how will I be able to install aptitude? |
| 22:38.51 | mo1991reg | tester, I think you'll have a lot better luck installing debian 8. The linux you are using is based on debian 6 and quite outdated. |
| 22:39.00 | mo1991reg | apt-get install aptitude |
| 22:39.12 | jelly | tester: you weren't able to install _anything_ before "apt-get -f install" |
| 22:39.36 | tester | so "apt-get -f install aptitude?" |
| 22:39.44 | jelly | tester: no, just "apt-get install aptitude" |
| 22:39.49 | tester | that doesn't work |
| 22:39.56 | jelly | interesting. |
| 22:40.01 | jelly | how does it fail? |
| 22:40.04 | tester | ... |
| 22:40.31 | tester | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12083910/ |
| 22:41.03 | jelly | tester: that looks as if "apt-get -f install" didn't do anything |
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| 22:41.10 | c0fe_machine | tester: why not use debian 8? |
| 22:41.27 | tester | because avlinux has a program not present in any other distro |
| 22:41.34 | jelly | tester: can you show the output of "apt-get -f install" ? |
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| 22:42.46 | c0fe_machine | this is why i dislike the specialized distros |
| 22:42.56 | tester | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12083933/ |
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| 22:43.07 | jelly | they add goodies in ugly ways, and break other things |
| 22:44.03 | srg2 | I have a single-boot debian testing system installed on an encrypted LVM. Grub is broken. Can someone point me in the right direction to fix it? |
| 22:44.13 | tester | c0fe_machine, it's actually the program developer's "fault". They don't allow you to download demos. They want you to buy the program and make sure you learn how to use it |
| 22:44.18 | jelly | tester: ah. Your installation has custom xfce from avlinux that is not present in any repo. Ask the avlinux people for support. |
| 22:45.03 | tester | and if that fails where should I go next? |
| 22:45.12 | c0fe_machine | you go to windows |
| 22:45.32 | tester | no, that's the very last resort |
| 22:45.38 | jelly | tester: there's no "next" that I know, that's free. You can hire someone to fix things. |
| 22:45.52 | c0fe_machine | well that is going to be the last resort since there is no next |
| 22:45.53 | squinty | tester, or check out ubuntu-studio it may have the program you need |
| 22:46.06 | tester | Honestly, I wish I knew someone who used linux as well |
| 22:46.23 | tester | squinty, it doesn't. I've installed it as well |
| 22:46.53 | tester | Can you help me with the sound problem? |
| 22:47.41 | tester | BTW, what desktop environment does debian use by default? |
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| 22:48.15 | jelly | tester: you're not using actual Debian. Who knows what else might be broken or different from the way Debian does things. This is -precisely- why we don't support derivatives in here -- we just can't know what someone else has done to your system |
| 22:48.51 | tester | maybe the sound problem would also be present in squeeze itself |
| 22:48.54 | jelly | tester: debian-installer defaults to Gnome |
| 22:49.18 | tester | can I choose xfce? or mate? |
| 22:49.22 | jelly | yes. |
| 22:49.26 | tester | phew |
| 22:49.26 | c0fe_machine | tester: seems like windows would be your only solution here |
| 22:49.46 | tester | c0fe_machine, windows doesn't have that program |
| 22:49.54 | jelly | c0fe_machine: if you can't say anything useful, keep quiet |
| 22:50.51 | tester | isn't there a way to sort of extract the program and then install it in the latest debian? |
| 22:50.58 | squinty | tester, out of curiosity which program is it? |
| 22:50.59 | c0fe_machine | tester: what program is that? |
| 22:51.06 | tester | it's called mixbus |
| 22:51.18 | jelly | tester: if it's packaged and has a well defined set of dependencies, sure |
| 22:51.22 | jelly | !dpkg-repack |
| 22:51.22 | dpkg | Utility to put an unpacked .deb file back together. Usage: dpkg-repack [file.deb] <package> |
| 22:51.39 | tester | I don't have the deb |
| 22:51.48 | c0fe_machine | tester: http://harrisonconsoles.com/site/index.html |
| 22:51.49 | c0fe_machine | ? |
| 22:52.23 | jelly | tester: dpkg-repack picks up bits and pieces of a package already installed on the system, and puts it back into a .deb |
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| 22:55.23 | tester | c0fe_machine, yes, that one |
| 22:55.47 | c0fe_machine | tester: it looks like it run on windows if av linux does not work out |
| 22:56.29 | tester | well actually it's two related programs: Mixbus which runs on Linux Mac and Windows and Ardour which runs on Mac and Linux |
| 22:57.27 | jelly | ardour is free and open source and available in debian, tho |
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| 22:58.08 | jelly | in an old version, but still available... |
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| 22:59.49 | tester | in Ubuntu I can get the latest versoin of Ardour (4) by adding a repo called KXStudio. I guess the only way to get it in Debian is compiling, correct? |
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| 23:00.05 | jelly | ,v ardour |
| 23:00.06 | judd | Package: ardour on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.8.11-3; wheezy: 1:2.8.14-2; jessie: 1:2.8.16+git20131003-4; stretch: 1:2.8.16+git20131003-4; sid: 1:2.8.16+git20131003-4+b1 |
| 23:00.20 | squinty | quick google shows people running on ubuntu debian etc http://mixbus.harrisonconsoles.com/forum/thread-1385.html |
| 23:00.20 | tester | that's the (very) old version |
| 23:00.39 | jelly | thought so |
| 23:00.40 | tester | squinty, yes because they bought it |
| 23:00.53 | tester | AVLinux is the only distro that comes with the demo |
| 23:01.01 | squinty | tester: the one on avlinux is only a demo |
| 23:01.13 | tester | yes, but it's the only way to get the demo |
| 23:01.48 | jelly | did you try asking the authors for a demo license? |
| 23:02.35 | squinty | tester, have you posted an enquiry to the mixbus forums about demo availibilty outside of avlinux? seems that is the place you should be asking for support and not here |
| 23:02.47 | tester | "No, we do not currently provide a demo of Mixbus. It is our experience that learning a new DAW is a significant investment in a professional's time. We require that users purchase Mixbus, and we provide fast email support to help our customers install Mixbus and learn to use it effectively." |
| 23:03.26 | tester | squinty, I don't need support with mixbus |
| 23:03.33 | jelly | seems reasonable, esp. considering its sub-$100 price |
| 23:03.41 | squinty | well there ya go. that is their recommended course of action. seems avlinux may be in violation of their agreements then |
| 23:03.43 | tester | yes it's affordable |
| 23:04.18 | tester | I don't know how AVLinux managed, but the latest Mixbus version is 3.x and the version in AVL is 2 |
| 23:04.30 | tester | so maybe it was possible before to get the demo |
| 23:04.52 | jelly | I'd probably get latest ubuntu lts or whichever is supported by kxstudio, ardour from there, and then use mixbus with that |
| 23:05.02 | squinty | tester, either way, avlinux and or mixbus are the rascals you should be seeking support from |
| 23:05.40 | jelly | debian can't fix avlinux' package breakage |
| 23:05.51 | tester | squinty you're right about avlinux, but I only mentioned Mixbus because you asked about the reason I'm on Squeeze |
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| 23:06.09 | tester | (someone among you) |
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| 23:07.07 | jelly | good luck with your musical endeavors, I'll be off now |
| 23:07.09 | squinty | goes back to watching a win7 virus scan which is only a bit more exciting than watching paint dry :-) |
| 23:07.33 | tester | jelly thanks for you help |
| 23:07.40 | tester | I learned a bit |
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| 23:08.02 | jelly | consolation prize |
| 23:08.19 | tester | And this bot is the smartest I've seen |
| 23:08.49 | jelly | dpkg: botsnack |
| 23:08.49 | dpkg | jelly: thanks |
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| 23:08.55 | tester | haha |
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| 23:15.20 | presonic | oh shit nevermind |
| 23:15.23 | presonic | i see the problem |
| 23:15.25 | presonic | i think |
| 23:16.43 | presonic | hrm ya thats the problem |
| 23:17.03 | presonic | weird how only 'security.debian.org' servers are in sources.list |
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| 23:25.32 | jhonmark | !ask |
| 23:25.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:50.12 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I am looking for an epub/mobi reader which integrates with the xfce environment and that is in the debian repos, I am using ow fbreader and it doe snot integrate at all |
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| 23:59.25 | x86iac | slow down Resilience - you got a lot of requirements |
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