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| 00:00.27 | Resilience | x86_64, integration with xfce as the "document viewer" prograam, and being in the official repos |
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| 00:05.12 | jmcnaught | Resilience: you could check out Calibre, it's available in the Debian repos. Not sure what you mean by integration, but if it's "open epubs in this application by double clicking" you can probably configure that in the filemanager you are using |
| 00:06.35 | Resilience | jmcnaught, I mean exactly that, becuase it seems like every gtk app works right and that qt app (fbreader) doe sno work well |
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| 00:08.09 | jmcnaught | Resilience: there's no reason you cannot use a Qt app in a GTK desktop environment, or vice-versa. Still, Calibre seems pretty decent from the couple of times i've tried it. |
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| 00:09.03 | Resilience | jmcnaught, what it worry about calibre it is that it is developed around the idea of a "library manager" andnot file manager |
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| 00:09.20 | x86iac | to many misstatements . |
| 00:09.50 | jmcnaught | Resilience: it also has a built-in viewer. Give it a try maybe? You could also check the list you get from "apt-cache search epub" to look for others |
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| 00:10.51 | Resilience | jmcnaught, not mnay |
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| 00:12.12 | jmcnaught | Resilience: Calibre can also convert, and i noticed a few other conversion programs listed. Maybe you can convert the epubs to PDF is you prefer your PDF viewer. |
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| 00:13.05 | Resilience | jmcnaught, I eould prefer using them direty, as with pdf's, withpur covnerting them |
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| 00:16.15 | jmcnaught | Resilience: evince might be able to open some ebook formats too, also okular if you don't mind using a Qt app. |
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| 00:16.54 | Resilience | jmcnaught, I don't mind uisng them, it is only that fbreader does not wotk as I expected |
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| 00:23.35 | x86iac | suggests Resilience start his ebook adventure with 'dick and jane reader' |
| 00:23.57 | Resilience | x86iac, , with what? |
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| 00:25.31 | seoner | hi. how do i make my terminal with transparent background? |
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| 00:27.20 | x86iac | calibre |
| 00:28.11 | x86iac | spooner - i think that is a function of the wm ... check flembox |
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| 00:53.54 | augustomorais | Hi. |
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| 00:56.02 | augustomorais | I'm having a problem with google hangouts on debian/ubuntu live/installed. I try to send a message but doesn't work. This happens on all browsers (chromium, chrome, firefox). Detail: On windows all works well. Some idea ? |
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| 00:59.59 | Jikan | Hum. compton tells me "No render extension" and refuses to start. Nvidia drivers are properly installed and direct rendering is working. Any clue? |
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| 01:10.05 | pycoderf | hello all. where does debian usually hold .sock files |
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| 01:11.30 | aswin | can anyone tell me the correct steps to get the terminal access for bluetooth devices |
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| 01:12.11 | Brigo | augustomorais, firewall, maybe? |
| 01:12.16 | aswin | with rfcomm |
| 01:12.19 | PryMar56 | pycoderf, grep sock /usr/lib/systemd/system/*.socket |
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| 01:12.45 | Brigo | we are a good team :) |
| 01:14.55 | karlpinc | augustomorais: You'll have to tell us more. |
| 01:15.03 | karlpinc | !tell augustomorais about doesn't work |
| 01:15.29 | DexterF | if I shut down a machine while mdadm sync is in progress, will it pick up where it left at next boot time? |
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| 01:18.55 | karlpinc | DexterF: The Internet says ... Yes! http://bertrandbenoit.blogspot.com/2012/08/reboot-is-allowed-even-if-mdadm-is.html Take it for what you will. |
| 01:19.37 | DexterF | karlpinc: rule 1: believe everything the internet says! |
| 01:20.28 | karlpinc | DexterF: It makes a certain amount of sense that it's kept track of what it's doing. But I don't really know enough about it to have more than a feeling that it makes sense. |
| 01:21.09 | DexterF | karlpinc: I guess it will stop the array and thus not update the event counters, so as along as the OS properly stops md it should work out |
| 01:21.11 | karlpinc | pycoderf, PryMar56 : Or: locate '*.sock' |
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| 01:23.19 | x86iac | pycoderf: old socks? |
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| 01:28.17 | jmcnaught | pycoderf: on debian the system installed unit files are in /lib/systemd (instead of /usr/lib/systemd). These are the ones that are installed from packages. Dynamically generated ones are in /var/run/systemd. Site/local unit files go in /etc/systemd |
| 01:29.29 | pycoderf | jmcnaught: so i set runtimedirectory in my service file but it doesnt seem to create the directory for my application in /run so it fails because the app expects to place a file there |
| 01:29.32 | pycoderf | catch 22 |
| 01:29.35 | pycoderf | ideas how to fix? |
| 01:30.06 | jmcnaught | pycoderf: did you try creating the directory yourself? |
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| 01:30.30 | x86iac | jmcnaught: wow what a concept |
| 01:30.40 | pycoderf | i did and it gets removed at reboot |
| 01:30.43 | pycoderf | jmcnaught: ^ |
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| 01:32.52 | Brigo | that units files in /var/run/systemd are created for a systemd generator at boot time from systemvinit script. |
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| 01:34.32 | n40t | Is it possible to install Debian (netinst) with a wifi connection instead of ethernet. |
| 01:34.49 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 01:35.28 | n40t | dvs: I'm actually using that right now and the installer is saying that I need to install a ethernet card. |
| 01:35.42 | jmcnaught | pycoderf: oh i see. well /var/run is a tmpfs that is created new each time. How are you setting the runtime directory in the service unit? |
| 01:36.00 | Brigo | n40t, is the wifi detected? |
| 01:37.15 | n40t | Brigo: the wifi is not detected |
| 01:37.32 | Brigo | pycoderf, if you want to create a socket at boot time you can create a .socket unit. |
| 01:37.58 | Brigo | n40t, that's the problem. Are you in the installer just now? |
| 01:38.05 | n40t | Brigo: yes |
| 01:38.27 | Brigo | can you access a console and run lspci -nn ? |
| 01:38.36 | n40t | not sure how |
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| 01:38.58 | wufufufu | looking for a screensaver that has a callback when there is no user input for X seconds |
| 01:39.06 | Brigo | i think Cntl+F4 |
| 01:39.09 | wufufufu | because i want it to suspend-sedate afterwards |
| 01:39.15 | Brigo | or F3 |
| 01:39.15 | n40t | I just found out, it's left alt f4 |
| 01:39.29 | Brigo | n40t, nice :) |
| 01:40.06 | n40t | Brigo: nevermind, I guess the documentation is out of date |
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| 01:40.57 | Brigo | n40t, quite possible. |
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| 01:41.13 | n40t | Hold on let me try to figure it out |
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| 01:46.35 | n40t | Brigo: for some reason I can only get into console using Alt f1 |
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| 01:46.42 | n40t | Brigo: but it kicks me out after 1 second |
| 01:47.14 | Brigo | n40t, that's weird. |
| 01:47.32 | Brigo | in some consoles you can see the logs. Can you see any errors? |
| 01:47.49 | n40t | no |
| 01:47.59 | n40t | I'm trying really fast to type |
| 01:49.02 | x86iac | Brigo: and probably not true |
| 01:49.32 | Brigo | x86iac, ? |
| 01:49.49 | x86iac | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.36 | Brigo | x86iac, from the console, i suppouse. |
| 01:50.59 | Brigo | suppose* |
| 01:52.27 | n40t | Brigo: what happens is, I press alt f1 (both work I don't know why the doc says to use the left) then a little gray bar appears on the bottom of the screen, then some message pops up very quickly and then it disapears and it takes me back to the menu |
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| 01:53.11 | Brigo | n40t, that's is the installer menu. Try alt+F2, F3 and so. |
| 01:54.57 | n40t | Brigo: alt f2 and alt f8 do the same thing, I tried typing to something but there is no output |
| 01:55.33 | n40t | Brigo: is it safe to abort the installation (option from menu) |
| 01:55.50 | Brigo | n40t, in what stage are you? |
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| 01:57.13 | n40t | I chose the language, keyboard, time, loaded installer components from cd, now i'm in detect network hardware |
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| 01:58.32 | Brigo | n40t, yes, yo can, no changes made. |
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| 01:58.51 | Brigo | n40t, i have to go, bye. |
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| 01:59.17 | n40t | Brigo: bye |
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| 01:59.29 | Brigo | n40t, bye and good luck :) |
| 01:59.39 | n40t | Brigo: thank you for the help |
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| 01:59.49 | Brigo | n40t, you are wellcome :) |
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| 02:00.15 | glassresistor | so im trying to change my local username because i've changed my first name |
| 02:00.41 | glassresistor | but there is only one account on my system and when i run usermod -l new old it complain the user owns a process |
| 02:00.49 | x86iac | another #debian love match |
| 02:01.05 | x86iac | we rulezzz - beter then match.com |
| 02:01.26 | glassresistor | is there a way to change the username of user running the command? i tried running as root same problem |
| 02:02.22 | x86iac | what is the error |
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| 02:04.05 | jmcnaught | glassresistor: if this user still logged in when you tried the usermod command as root? |
| 02:05.02 | jmcnaught | glassresistor: you can check for processes running under that user with a command like "ps aux | grep username" |
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| 02:09.35 | midacts | Anyone have time to troubleshoot a nagios web console problem? After upgrading from Debian vbersion 7 to 8, nagios works, but i cant get the web console to work |
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| 02:09.59 | glassresistor | jmcnaught: im logged into gnome etc. with the user whose name im trying to change |
| 02:10.19 | glassresistor | i don't want to have to add a new user to change this |
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| 02:11.13 | glassresistor | root doesn't havea password so even if i log out of gnome and login then sudo su it will not work correct? |
| 02:11.23 | DexterF | does grub boot raid1 like this or do I have to tell it somehow? |
| 02:12.01 | mutante | midacts: run "nagios -v /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg" |
| 02:12.17 | mutante | it should tell you about errors in the config |
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| 02:12.58 | mutante | midacts: define "works", which part does |
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| 02:13.52 | midacts | works as it was working before, and i dont get any error swhen restarting the nagios service |
| 02:13.55 | midacts | Things look okay - No serious problems were detected during the pre-flight check |
| 02:14.16 | jmcnaught | glassresistor: the user you are trying to change cannot have any running processes while you make the change, so that user will have to be logged out. You could temporarily give root a password, or create a second account that you delete after |
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| 02:24.28 | JustBerry | Does anyone know what would be the best way to create a Flash game bot? Just ping my name if you have a piece of advice, suggestion, etc. |
| 02:25.01 | midacts | mutante: what do you suggestafter running nagios -v |
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| 02:26.15 | glassresistor | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 02:27.23 | mutante | midacts: then i would check Apache log next, assuming you use that as webserver |
| 02:27.45 | mutante | midacts: tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log and try to open a page |
| 02:27.55 | JustBerry | Does anyone know what would be the best way to create a Flash game bot? Even though this might not be the most relevant channel, could you point me in the right direction? It's for use on a Mac. Just ping my name if you have a piece of advice, suggestion, etc. |
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| 02:28.01 | jmcnaught | glassresistor: no problem, did you get it figured out? |
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| 02:28.13 | midacts | mutante: it is apache. ill give that a try |
| 02:28.45 | x86iac | JustBerry: flash is dead |
| 02:29.29 | JustBerry | x86iac: so? That wasn't my question lol |
| 02:29.37 | midacts | mutante: no errors came up, just 'The requested URL /nagios was not found on this server.'. i browsed to https://hostname/nagios |
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| 02:30.19 | jmcnaught | JustBerry: i guess you could start with finding a more relevant channel to ask in |
| 02:30.31 | JustBerry | jmcnaught: trying to do so... any ideas? |
| 02:30.46 | mutante | midacts: well, that's kind of an error. so someting changed about the Apache config and a Redirect/Rewrite rule |
| 02:31.09 | mutante | midacts: what got upgraded? |
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| 02:31.51 | mutante | midacts: is it Apache 2.2 before and Apache 2.4 now? |
| 02:31.59 | midacts | mutante: yes I agree. i ran a `apt-get upgrade` and `apt-get dist-upgrade`. i built nagios from source, version 4.0.5 nagios core, but i know apache2 was upgraded |
| 02:32.21 | midacts | it is apache2 2.4.10-10 now |
| 02:32.26 | midacts | (i bet it was 2.2 before) |
| 02:34.24 | mutante | midacts: look at /etc/apache2/sites/enabled/ . does it have a config file there for nagios? |
| 02:34.59 | JustBerry | jmcnaught: no? |
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| 02:37.15 | midacts | mutante: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12085268/ |
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| 02:39.50 | mutante | midacts: i think that whole config section you added should go inside the <VirtualHost> |
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| 02:40.23 | mutante | also, it would be nicer to make a separate config file and not just 000-default.conf |
| 02:40.54 | midacts | mutante: BOOM! |
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| 02:40.55 | mutante | midacts: move the config stuff up, _before_ </VirtualHost>, restart Apache, try again |
| 02:41.22 | midacts | mutante: that did it. im not sure what cause it to stop working or get changed. I really appprecaite you working with me on that |
| 02:41.24 | mutante | midacts: you sure you dont want to listen on 80 ? |
| 02:41.39 | midacts | i do 443 so its encrypted |
| 02:42.03 | mutante | midacts: encrypted is good, but you might still want to listen on 80, only to always redirect it to 443 |
| 02:42.17 | mutante | midacts: just so it works without having to manually enter the port and protocol |
| 02:43.05 | midacts | i so so i could just browse to: http://hostname instaed of https://hostname/nagios |
| 02:43.17 | midacts | is that what you are referring to? kind of redirect? |
| 02:43.22 | mutante | midacts: yes, and then get automatically redirect to https |
| 02:43.24 | mutante | yes |
| 02:44.07 | midacts | I think that is a great idea. Do you know how to do that. i cant understand what apache2 does and how to use it, but i am by no means a master |
| 02:44.25 | mutante | midacts: i can't help with the details right now, gotta run, but you'll find examples if you search for "enforce https" and stuff , here: https://wiki.apache.org/httpd/RewriteHTTPToHTTPS |
| 02:44.45 | mutante | you can also ask #httpd |
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| 02:45.04 | mancomunado | Which text reader simultaneously scroll both texts? |
| 02:45.10 | midacts | mutante: awesome, you have me well on my way. thanks for brainstorming with me and getting it back up |
| 02:45.36 | mutante | midacts: welcome, saw some of the stuff on #linux :p happy to help. bye |
| 02:46.03 | midacts | mutante: yah, sorry about that :/ |
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| 03:31.41 | gardllok | stretch/sid here. First I want to say Im not really bitching about iceweasel, used it for a long time. But there are something I don't understand about it. Getting a flashplayer to work properly has always been a failing challenge for me, currently mine "works" without sound. Tried a few different ones. Tried both alsa and pulse. I guess it never has too big a deal so I never worried about it. For media I use |
| 03:31.43 | gardllok | chrome. But if iceweasel should be basically the same, why is that different? |
| 03:32.27 | gardllok | Personally I'd rather use iceweasel to support it. but When it comes to certain things and security is an issue, seems I have better luck to use chrome |
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| 03:32.49 | gardllok | example, banking sites (etc) tell me my flash is outdated |
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| 03:33.27 | gardllok | currently rolling the pepperflashplugin |
| 03:34.00 | gardllok | Wife brought up a point when I mentioned such to her, just go real firefox and be done with it |
| 03:34.02 | gardllok | idk |
| 03:34.04 | gardllok | thoughts? |
| 03:34.19 | jmcnaught | gardllok: part of this is because chrome includes its own copy of flash, in a plugin format (PAPI?) that is new and not compatible with iceweasel/firefox. that pepperflashplugin package basically downloads chrome, extraxts this plugin, and makes it available for chromium |
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| 03:35.06 | gardllok | jmcnaught: so pepperflash is more/less for chromium instead? |
| 03:35.11 | jmcnaught | gardllok: iceweasel/firefox still using NPAPI plugins, which is what gets installed with the flashplugin-nonfree package. Adobe doesn't make new versions of the NPAPI flash for linux, so it's stuck at 11 |
| 03:35.24 | jmcnaught | gardllok: yeah it's for chromium |
| 03:35.28 | gardllok | ahhh |
| 03:35.41 | jmcnaught | gardllok: personally i just don't have flash installed at all, and i love it |
| 03:35.53 | gardllok | well I also have flashplugin-nonfree installed but I thought iceweseal was using the pepper |
| 03:36.02 | gardllok | I could go without |
| 03:36.09 | gardllok | safer imo |
| 03:36.46 | gardllok | my iceweasel is used more for work purposes, hacking up web pages and developing... |
| 03:36.55 | gardllok | cant beat those addons lol |
| 03:37.36 | gardllok | I should just uninstall pepper and the flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:37.49 | jmcnaught | gardllok: as for the sound issue with flash in iceweasel, i'm not sure but i suspect it's trying to use an alsa device that is already occupied by pulse |
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| 03:38.17 | gardllok | Is there any other differences anyone would like to add? between iceweasel and ff... |
| 03:38.51 | gardllok | again, I'd rather use iceweasel to support debian branded |
| 03:39.00 | gardllok | trying to justify it I guess |
| 03:39.18 | gardllok | When I google this I see a lot of debian supporters get offended by such questions |
| 03:39.31 | jmcnaught | gardllok: it's basically just renamed, and it's completely compatible. better to use iceweasel so it's managed by apt |
| 03:39.51 | gardllok | great point |
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| 03:40.20 | gardllok | jmcnaught: thanks for the insights |
| 03:40.32 | jmcnaught | gardllok: no problem :) |
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| 04:10.19 | recharged | Whenever I click the far left side of my screen on Iceweasel, it crashes everything and logs me out. At first, it only restarts things, then if you do it again it crashes the de (gnome). Is this a known bug or anything? |
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| 04:32.33 | stallmen | a |
| 04:32.45 | stallmen | a |
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| 04:33.39 | Chocolate_Chip | Is /etc supposed to be chmod 0400 or 400 |
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| 04:33.59 | n40t | My sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" I've ran "apt-get update" but I still can't get my non-free wifi driver "broadcom-sta-dkms", anyone know of a fix? |
| 04:34.20 | stallmen | is debian easy to install |
| 04:34.33 | Chocolate_Chip | stallmen, relatively |
| 04:34.43 | phy1729 | Chocolate_Chip: no |
| 04:34.53 | stallmen | is it easy like ubuntu |
| 04:35.02 | stallmen | to install |
| 04:35.03 | Chocolate_Chip | phy1729, what chmod is it suppoded to be. I messed it up |
| 04:35.09 | phy1729 | Chocolate_Chip: 755 root:root |
| 04:35.14 | Chocolate_Chip | stallmen, a bit more advance |
| 04:35.18 | Chocolate_Chip | phy1729, ok |
| 04:35.29 | Chocolate_Chip | I was told both 0400 and 400 |
| 04:35.42 | stallmen | does it have a lot of bloatware |
| 04:35.46 | phy1729 | by whom? |
| 04:35.58 | stallmen | is it a fast and lightweight linux distribution |
| 04:35.59 | phy1729 | normal users need to be able to read files in there |
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| 04:36.13 | phy1729 | but not write hence 755 |
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| 04:37.19 | Chocolate_Chip | phy1729, ubnutu forums and #rasbian |
| 04:37.56 | asterismo | wow |
| 04:38.05 | asterismo | rkhunter throws me a possible rootkit |
| 04:38.08 | asterismo | what should i do? |
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| 04:40.22 | Chocolate_Chip | Is there a way around using sudo or su |
| 04:40.54 | phy1729 | a way around? |
| 04:41.43 | Chocolate_Chip | Cuz my sudoers file can't function as it says it has "world" permissions |
| 04:43.37 | Chocolate_Chip | is there a way to change the chmod of / to defaults? |
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| 04:44.18 | TacoGS | ouch |
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| 04:45.24 | phy1729 | Chocolate_Chip: I think it's time you rebooted into single user mode |
| 04:45.35 | Chocolate_Chip | I can't in raspbian |
| 04:45.55 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm only asking here because the raspbian chat isn't responding to my questions, and this is an urgent problem |
| 04:47.11 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: it sounds like did something like "chmod -R 755 /" to recursively change permissions. that's going to be tough to recover from. but if you're using raspian you should ask in the correct channel, because it is not supported here. |
| 04:47.23 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
| 04:47.32 | mo1991reg | stallman - have you been asking these questions all day? |
| 04:47.34 | mo1991reg | why? |
| 04:48.25 | mo1991reg | ubuntu is debian with an installer that installs non free drivers by default. It also installs bloatware. Non free drivers can easily be installed in debian. please stop asking |
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| 04:50.45 | mo1991reg | except ubuntu typically uses newer, less stable, less tested, but newer packages. |
| 04:51.25 | gardllok | release cycles are also different with ubuntu and deb, where as ubuntu will also have the lts release |
| 04:51.42 | n40t | I installed the wicd and the necessary wireless drivers, but wicd says "no wireless networks found" would anyone know why? |
| 04:51.52 | phix | hi, when is Wheezy end of service / support? |
| 04:52.19 | gardllok | n40t: run lshw -c network, see what it says about the driver |
| 04:52.33 | gardllok | I hope that's right command hah...been awhile |
| 04:53.03 | n40t | gardllok: "lshw: command not found" |
| 04:53.15 | gardllok | ack, that's one you have to install |
| 04:53.24 | gardllok | which I recommend doing so |
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| 04:53.29 | gardllok | aptitude install lshw |
| 04:53.35 | gardllok | its handy |
| 04:53.55 | gardllok | There are other ways to get the same information though |
| 04:54.04 | Equa | n40t: what driver/firmware have you installed for your wifi? |
| 04:54.47 | n40t | Equa: I installed broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 04:55.16 | Equa | n40t: have you reboot since the installation? |
| 04:55.22 | gardllok | n40t: how did you know that was the right driver? did you check what kind of device you have? Which lshw can do ;) |
| 04:55.33 | n40t | Equa: yes |
| 04:55.51 | n40t | gardllok: something is wrong with my sources.list I couldn't install it |
| 04:55.52 | Equa | n40t: output of ip a |
| 04:56.16 | Equa | dpkg: tell n40t about sources.list |
| 04:56.23 | n40t | gardllok: ... I don't have wifi that's why.... |
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| 04:56.59 | gardllok | ahh, yeah...good idea to plug up via ethernet to set yourself up |
| 04:57.00 | n40t | Equa: which part of ip -a do you need? |
| 04:57.02 | gardllok | n40t: |
| 04:57.14 | Equa | follow the bot's instruction to add the repo first |
| 04:57.23 | Equa | then i'll help you instal lthe wifi |
| 04:57.30 | n40t | gardllok: there are no ethernet ports on my laptop |
| 04:57.44 | n40t | Equa: wait what? bot? |
| 04:57.56 | Equa | n40t: read your pm |
| 04:58.21 | n40t | Equa: oh. Actually nothing was wrong with my sources.list |
| 04:58.30 | gardllok | He has no network so he can't use aptitude |
| 04:58.40 | phix | hi, should I use systemd or rc / sysintvwhatever? |
| 04:58.50 | gardllok | anychance you can tether usb from mobile n40t ? |
| 04:58.51 | Equa | n40t: you can download the deb and use a usb |
| 04:59.21 | n40t | gardllok: yeah I can tether, but not for much anymore. I'd like to know exactly what to install so I don't have to keep paying extra. |
| 04:59.21 | Equa | n40t: it's a usb or pci wireless? |
| 04:59.24 | gardllok | I'm assuming that's how he got the other broadcom driver |
| 04:59.53 | n40t | Equa: how can I check? |
| 05:00.11 | Equa | usb dongle ... if it's internal than most likely pci |
| 05:00.29 | n40t | pci then |
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| 05:00.41 | Equa | n40t: lspci -nn. paste your output for the wifi on paste.debian.net |
| 05:00.59 | n40t | Equa: all the outputs are here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209343 |
| 05:01.15 | gardllok | on the wiki? |
| 05:01.21 | n40t | yeah bottom of it |
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| 05:02.03 | gardllok | the model information is the exact same? |
| 05:02.20 | n40t | yeah |
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| 05:03.09 | n40t | gardllok: before I got the driver I couldn't even turn wifi on in wicd. But after I reboot I can turn it off or on but it doesn't detect any networks. |
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| 05:03.52 | gardllok | hmm |
| 05:04.42 | Equa | n40t: have you installed it or not ? what's the output of ip a |
| 05:04.44 | gardllok | If I remember right I had problems with wicd, I didn't debug to deep instead went with wpasupplicant |
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| 05:05.01 | gardllok | too deep** |
| 05:05.09 | n40t | Equa: I'd have to type the entire output by hand, give me a sec |
| 05:06.19 | gardllok | n40t: with ip a, there should be a line specifically talking about the nic, whats the first line of that section say? |
| 05:06.45 | n40t | gardllok: I don't see a line sayi8ng nic anywhere |
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| 05:07.00 | gardllok | I'm not sure, does anyone know if wlan0 is ifdown that wicd will even try? |
| 05:07.00 | Equa | look for the interface wlanX |
| 05:07.03 | n40t | there's two sections 1: lo and 2: wlan |
| 05:07.11 | gardllok | wlan is the line for your nic |
| 05:07.13 | Equa | what wlan is it ? |
| 05:07.19 | gardllok | wlan0 or some number |
| 05:07.21 | n40t | wlan0 |
| 05:07.33 | Equa | do iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 05:07.53 | n40t | "iwlist: command not found" |
| 05:08.05 | Equa | are you running it as root? |
| 05:08.34 | n40t | wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning : network is down |
| 05:08.42 | gardllok | also you could bring it down and then back up, sometimes there could be a nice error to work with, if there is a problem that is: ifconfig wlan0 down, ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:08.51 | gardllok | there you go |
| 05:09.07 | gardllok | ifup wlan0 |
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| 05:10.06 | Equa | do ip a and check the state of wlan0: should be UP or DOWN |
| 05:10.08 | n40t | "ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" |
| 05:10.26 | gardllok | I wouldn't of though wicd would even try if the nic was down but idk |
| 05:10.33 | n40t | Equa: I think it's down. |
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| 05:11.02 | n40t | the second to last line says "...qdisc noop state DOWN..." |
| 05:11.14 | mjkr | when I use start-stop-daemon to wrap up my shell script, does stop kill the entire process tree or just my process? |
| 05:11.19 | Equa | n40t: ip link set wlan0 up |
| 05:11.27 | mjkr | s/my/mother/2 |
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| 05:11.56 | n40t | Equa: I ran that |
| 05:12.11 | Equa | n40t: do ip a and check if it's up |
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| 05:12.26 | n40t | Equa: it's changed a little the "down" part is gone |
| 05:12.33 | n40t | but I still cannot connect |
| 05:12.38 | gardllok | try scanning again then n40t |
| 05:12.50 | Equa | do iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 05:12.50 | n40t | same error message |
| 05:12.58 | n40t | ^same as before |
| 05:13.03 | Equa | n40t: need to check log now. dmesg |
| 05:13.36 | gardllok | well if it's not a driver issue then maybe something incorrect in your /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 05:13.49 | n40t | that's a lot of stuff, also, I don't have a page up key so I can't even scroll up in cli |
| 05:14.19 | gardllok | Nothing like a good challenge |
| 05:14.50 | Equa | n40t: hold shift + page up |
| 05:15.02 | n40t | gardllok: /etc/network/interfaces is as it should be according to the debian wiki |
| 05:15.04 | n40t | it's two lines |
| 05:15.05 | gardllok | but if there is an error it would be at the end of dmesg. you can also tail /var/log/dmesg.log |
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| 05:15.13 | silent_knight_ | hello |
| 05:15.16 | n40t | "auto lo" and "iface lo i net loopback" |
| 05:15.40 | jmcnaught | n40t: does this laptop have a hardware switch to disable wifi? if it's a key combo in windows to toggle wifi it's possible that you need to turn it on |
| 05:15.53 | gardllok | ^ |
| 05:15.58 | gardllok | damn was just about to say that |
| 05:16.08 | jmcnaught | n40t: rfkill can do this, but i don't know how to use it. there's probably some other tools for this too |
| 05:16.32 | gardllok | rfkill list |
| 05:16.33 | gardllok | to see |
| 05:16.39 | n40t | jmcnaught: I don't think there's a hardware switch, but there is a keyboard combo |
| 05:16.51 | gardllok | it will mention about soft and hard switched |
| 05:17.13 | n40t | gardllok: it says hardblock and softblock : no |
| 05:17.17 | n40t | for all entries |
| 05:17.21 | n40t | bluetooth and wireless lan |
| 05:17.31 | gardllok | hmm |
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| 05:18.30 | gardllok | might need to get back into the dmesg. instead running dmesg command, try tail -f /var/log/dmesg in one terminal and then in another terminal try scanning with wlan0 again |
| 05:18.41 | gardllok | since you have no pg up/down |
| 05:19.22 | gardllok | also while watching dmesg log I would try shutting wlan0 down and then back on again...again looking for error msgs |
| 05:19.31 | n40t | how do you shut it down |
| 05:19.38 | gardllok | ifdown wlan0 |
| 05:19.55 | n40t | interface wlan0 not configured |
| 05:20.56 | gardllok | is there an entry for wlan0 in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 05:21.04 | gardllok | not sure if you mentioned that or not already |
| 05:21.33 | gardllok | something like 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp' |
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| 05:22.43 | n40t | yeah you asked that before, it's two lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 05:23.01 | gardllok | kk then the wlan0 entry needs to be added |
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| 05:23.18 | n40t | iface command not found |
| 05:23.30 | jmcnaught | n40t: re:no page-up, if you're familiar with screen you can enter copy mode with Ctrl+A [, then use arrow keys to review scroll buffer |
| 05:23.44 | gardllok | you'll have to open that config file with a text editor and add the line itself |
| 05:24.09 | n40t | gardllok: ? I already edited that file, it was different before |
| 05:24.42 | gardllok | that might be the problem, did you remove the wlan0 entry? |
| 05:24.45 | gardllok | you need one there |
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| 05:25.24 | jmcnaught | n40t: i'm not that familiar with wicd, but networkmanager on debian ignores interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:25.45 | Equa | do not use interface if you plan on using wicd. look at your dmesg for errors for the wifi |
| 05:25.52 | gardllok | n40t: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse under the command line section where it edits the interfaces file |
| 05:25.59 | gardllok | oh my bad |
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| 05:26.29 | Equa | you can use dmesg | less |
| 05:26.38 | n40t | I don't think network manager will be any different, I think there should be a way for this to work I just don't know why |
| 05:26.39 | gardllok | n40t: then disgard what I mentioned if what they say is true, might be...again i never used wicd |
| 05:27.12 | gardllok | you need to find an error, but I think at this point it may be a driver thing |
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| 05:36.51 | gardllok | n40t: Ive been curious, anything from dmesg help? |
| 05:37.02 | n40t | no |
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| 05:38.29 | lhx | Anyone here work on the debian wiki at all? I'm trying to figure out where the official 'discussion' about the wiki occurs... there doesn't seem to be 'talk' pages on the wiki |
| 05:40.03 | jmcnaught | lhx: there's a debian wiki team: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianWiki |
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| 05:40.30 | jmcnaught | lhx: the debian wiki uses MoinMoin, which does not have the discuss/talk pages like mediawiki does |
| 05:40.37 | Equa | n40t: dmesg the output to a file. take the file over to a computer that you can copy and paste on paste.debian.net |
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| 05:46.25 | lhx | jmcnaught: well that's unfortunate... There's so much wrong with the wiki that could be fairly easily fixed |
| 05:46.34 | lhx | jmcnaught: I'll check out your link |
| 05:48.14 | n40t | Equa: it's on it's way |
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| 05:52.27 | n40t | Equa: is a specific line you need? |
| 05:52.38 | n40t | Equa: I can scroll up and down now |
| 05:52.45 | Equa | n40t: anything related to your driver / wifi |
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| 05:52.58 | Equa | sometimes you need to update firmware and etc... or why it's not loading correctly |
| 05:53.16 | n40t | you want the output of just "dmesg" right? |
| 05:53.35 | Equa | n40t: if you can do it yourself and do it carefully, then i don't need it |
| 05:53.56 | hstl | Hi all! The fork of 'Remastersys' was released in July ' Linux Respin'. It works with Debian 64. Should it work with Debian 32? |
| 05:54.15 | hstl | http://www.remastersys.org/ |
| 05:55.00 | n40t | Equa: "wlan 0 broadcom BCM43b1 802.11 hybrid wireless controlled 6.30.223.248 (r487574) |
| 05:55.13 | Equa | hstl: i doubt it. check out their channel #linuxrespin |
| 05:55.31 | hstl | Equa, i am there |
| 05:55.39 | hstl | there is only 1 nick except me |
| 05:56.10 | jmcnaught | hstl: if there is a remastersys channel somewhere they would be more likely to know |
| 05:56.10 | Equa | XD. try their forum then http://www.remastersys.org/forums/ |
| 05:56.25 | Equa | jmcnaught: it's from their website |
| 05:56.29 | jmcnaught | oops lag |
| 05:57.33 | gardllok | n40t: and what driver did you say you are trying to use? |
| 05:57.41 | Equa | n40t: read for errors for it, we already know the model |
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| 05:58.02 | n40t | gardllok: it's called broadcom-sta-dkms or something |
| 05:58.16 | n40t | Equa: there are no errors everything is green and yellow |
| 05:59.00 | Equa | have you installed any other conflicting modules such as b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac? |
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| 05:59.41 | n40t | no, I just installed using netinst, which is funny because I specifically installed it with the nonfree iso hoping the wireless driver would work but it didnt |
| 05:59.57 | gardllok | n40t: what outputs from dpkg -l | grep b43 |
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| 06:00.22 | n40t | gardllok: nothing |
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| 06:01.05 | Equa | n40t: you installed the linux-header for your system correct? |
| 06:01.26 | n40t | Equa: yeah I installed it the same exact way it says to on the wiki for the broadcom driver |
| 06:01.35 | n40t | Equa: but how can I check to make sure? |
| 06:01.55 | Equa | dpkg -l | grep <yourpackage> |
| 06:01.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep <yourpackage> |
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| 06:02.25 | n40t | Equa: yeah I just check it, they're installed |
| 06:02.43 | n40t | Equa: do you think it's my kernel? It's 3.16 |
| 06:02.43 | Equa | n40t: do lsmod | grep wl |
| 06:03.26 | n40t | wl (a bunch of numbers) 0 ; second line is, cfg (a bunch of numbers) 1 wl |
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| 06:04.18 | Equa | n40t: any toggle on the laptop to turn the wifi on or off? usually a blue / green light when the wifi is on |
| 06:04.28 | gardllok | We tried that |
| 06:04.38 | gardllok | its all turned on according to rfkill |
| 06:04.38 | n40t | Equa: yeah I already tried |
| 06:04.51 | Equa | n40t: yeah i need dmesg at this point. |
| 06:04.54 | gardllok | MAYBE there's a chance rfkill was wrong? |
| 06:05.00 | Equa | doubtful |
| 06:05.14 | n40t | ok I can post dmesg, just run "dmesg" right? |
| 06:05.25 | Equa | paste it on paste.debian.net |
| 06:05.34 | Equa | dmesg > dmesg.txt |
| 06:05.39 | Equa | that way the output goes into that file |
| 06:06.01 | Equa | you can use software to paste too |
| 06:06.02 | Equa | !paste |
| 06:06.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:07.25 | gardllok | n40t: 32b or 64? which release of debian? |
| 06:07.34 | n40t | 64 jessie |
| 06:08.36 | gardllok | n40t: Others may disagree but I still recommend installing lshw, you can get here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lshw/lshw_02.17-1.1_amd64.deb and transfer it via usb |
| 06:08.38 | gardllok | maybe |
| 06:09.17 | n40t | How does the browse feautre on debian paste work? |
| 06:09.24 | gardllok | Hey does the #debian bot explain how to install .deb for those who don't know? |
| 06:09.28 | gardllok | !help |
| 06:09.50 | Equa | to install .deb files do dpkg -i <yourpackage> |
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| 06:10.21 | gardllok | Guess not |
| 06:10.26 | jmcnaught | gardllok: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ to search the factoids in the dpkg bot |
| 06:10.40 | gardllok | jmcnaught: thanks for helpful link :D |
| 06:11.16 | jmcnaught | gardllok: you can also /msg the bot to explore and find factoids |
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| 06:12.56 | n40t | I don't think the Debian paste is working for me. I typed in "test" in the field and the output were just numbers. |
| 06:13.17 | Chocolate_Chip | What is a good replacment for wicd that works with the LXDE DE/ |
| 06:13.38 | Equa | Chocolate_Chip: network-manager or just edit interfaces manually |
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| 06:14.28 | n40t | Equa: pastebin.com/p5mrvnek |
| 06:18.29 | gardllok | I'm not seeing errors |
| 06:18.54 | Equa | n40t: wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel. |
| 06:19.10 | n40t | I don't even |
| 06:19.34 | n40t | Is that even a problem? |
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| 06:19.46 | gardllok | taints kernel....maybe |
| 06:20.05 | Chocolate_Chip | I tried editing the interfaces. It kept messing up. There isn't a GUI manager on Network-manager for LXDE, and I found that there is a texr console but it is broken |
| 06:20.05 | Chocolate_Chip | Or incomplete |
| 06:20.05 | Chocolate_Chip | Or something |
| 06:20.20 | n40t | how the heck did that other guy in the wiki that has the same laptop as me install the same thing and get different results? |
| 06:20.52 | gardllok | n40t: did you get lshw? |
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| 06:21.06 | n40t | lol I will get lshw |
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| 06:21.51 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: are you on debian now, or still raspian? nmtui works for me on debian, and you might be able to use nm-applet in lxde |
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| 06:23.48 | gardllok | googling still suggesting a problem with driver to kernel...with 'taints kernel'....but haven't seen a match with same nic (BCNM43b1) |
| 06:24.48 | n40t | i have lshw |
| 06:25.15 | jmcnaught | n40t: that dmesg output didn't look complete to me, maybe i'm wrong. there was an error about a broadcom bluetooth firmware not found. maybe you still don't have the broadcom firmware installed properly? |
| 06:25.24 | gardllok | Could do a hail mary and get it on the net somehow with tether and add 'main contrib non-free' to the sources and install the b43 drivers like that |
| 06:25.32 | n40t | jmcnaught: I copied and pasted the whole thing |
| 06:25.44 | gardllok | n40t: okay, pastbin 'lshw -c network' please |
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| 06:29.01 | n40t | gardllok: pastebin.com/fyyx3uyv |
| 06:30.00 | gardllok | hmmmm disabled |
| 06:30.13 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, main debian |
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| 06:30.18 | Chocolate_Chip | I realized that I could |
| 06:30.19 | Chocolate_Chip | I am now using it |
| 06:30.27 | Chocolate_Chip | I thought it was a seprate frontend package |
| 06:30.35 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: cool. did you give nm-applet a try? |
| 06:30.41 | Chocolate_Chip | Shoudln't use wikipedia without double checking |
| 06:30.47 | Chocolate_Chip | nm-applet? |
| 06:31.28 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: it's in the package network-manager-gnome, but it might work (i don't use lxde) |
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| 06:31.45 | labrune75 | hi |
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| 06:32.06 | GIGARAMA | hi i have problem |
| 06:32.11 | GIGARAMA | with one package |
| 06:32.20 | GIGARAMA | is there any adivice |
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| 06:32.57 | jmcnaught | n40t: if you do "dmesg | grep firmware" is there more than one line? |
| 06:33.07 | GIGARAMA | package need python wxgtk 2.8 |
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| 06:33.17 | GIGARAMA | i have istalled version 3 |
| 06:33.34 | jmcnaught | GIGARAMA: ask a question, use detail, don't use enter as punctuation is my advice :) |
| 06:33.38 | GIGARAMA | but programe won't to work with that package |
| 06:33.54 | GIGARAMA | ok |
| 06:34.59 | jmcnaught | GIGARAMA: python-wxgtk3.0 is in jessie, is that what you're using? |
| 06:35.22 | n40t | jmcnaught: yes |
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| 06:36.02 | jmcnaught | n40t: a paste of that would be helpful, but do you see any errors there, or anything about your wlan? |
| 06:36.07 | GIGARAMA | problem is trelby, this package is not in list in synaptic if you download it as deb with gdebi you cannot install it because it needs python wxgtk 2.8 i have installed version 3.0 if you dpkg force trelby doesn't work |
| 06:36.20 | n40t | jmcnaught: there are 3 lines for sst-acpi saying it cannot load firmware, the next 2 lines are for the bluetooth saying the same thing |
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| 06:36.41 | n40t | jmcnaught: nothing about wlan though |
| 06:36.44 | jmcnaught | GIGARAMA: which release of debian are you using? |
| 06:36.58 | GIGARAMA | i use sparky linux |
| 06:37.48 | GIGARAMA | sparkz 4.0 |
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| 06:38.01 | n40t | jmcnaught, Equa, gardllok, thanks for trying guys, I have to go now |
| 06:38.09 | jmcnaught | GIGARAMA: unfortunately sparky linux is not supported here, but they probably have their own channel. if you're interested in using debian this is the place for help |
| 06:38.37 | jmcnaught | n40t: good night, i hope you get it working. i assume you followed https://wiki.debian.org/wl ? if not check there tomorrow i guess |
| 06:38.57 | n40t | jmcnaught: i did follow that guide |
| 06:39.25 | GIGARAMA | yeah but is there any posibility to build some virtualisation with autopackage runz 0install |
| 06:39.53 | GIGARAMA | or i have to remove version 3 and install version 2.8 |
| 06:40.18 | GIGARAMA | i really don't know why trelby is not in repo |
| 06:40.22 | jmcnaught | GIGARAMA: that's way over my head. for what it's worth the verion of python-wxgtk that you need is in debian. for sparky linux you're in the wrong place |
| 06:40.23 | GIGARAMA | in debian |
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| 06:41.15 | GIGARAMA | #sparky |
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| 06:42.04 | GIGARAMA | in sparky channel there is only devil |
| 06:42.18 | GIGARAMA | you know what means to ask devil |
| 06:42.23 | GIGARAMA | for advice |
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| 06:43.19 | GIGARAMA | my question is is there a way to build portable app such as autopackage 0install runz |
| 06:43.30 | GIGARAMA | which way i should go |
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| 06:44.10 | GIGARAMA | question is for general use sparky is build on debian too |
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| 06:51.47 | khaleel5000 | Hi, I am trying to swtich back to linux after a long time. I have an intel i7 . looking at the website, there doesn't seem to be an iso for 64bit intel? it's i386 , amd64 |
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| 06:52.14 | gardllok | pretty sure amd64 will get you there |
| 06:52.18 | gardllok | khaleel5000: |
| 06:53.21 | gardllok | khaleel5000: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq first question |
| 06:53.26 | khaleel5000 | thanks gardllok |
| 06:53.30 | Fyr | guys, please give me a link to the manual on how to install an Ubuntu src package to Debian. (Debian has too old package when Ubuntu has the latest software, I need to transer it from Ubuntu PPA to my Debian server) |
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| 06:53.55 | khaleel5000 | sorry, gardllok as I said, I am resuming after a while. forgot to RTFM |
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| 06:55.27 | hstl | Hi all again! I want to create my own Live DVD with Linux Respin - Remastersys. My system is encrypted by LUKS, will this encryption work on LiveDVD? Will passwords word etc? |
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| 06:57.44 | Fyr | man, if I were asking this kind of question, I wouldn't try to create my own Live. =) |
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| 07:00.34 | hstl | Fyr, what's wrong? |
| 07:01.30 | Fyr | LUKS works everywhere. |
| 07:01.34 | hstl | ok |
| 07:01.49 | Fyr | god bless its developers. |
| 07:01.54 | hstl | that is good answer, unlike your previous one |
| 07:02.08 | hstl | a* |
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| 07:48.02 | Neobenedict | can anyone tell me how to mount /dev/sdb (a new disk) to /storage |
| 07:48.05 | Neobenedict | has forgotten |
| 07:49.11 | dbast | assuming sdb is formatted and the directory storage does exist: mount /dev/sdb /storage |
| 07:49.39 | Fyr | dbast, are you a robot? |
| 07:49.57 | Neobenedict | dbast: dont think it is, how can I format it with ext4? |
| 07:50.00 | Neobenedict | to be |
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| 07:50.02 | Neobenedict | * |
| 07:50.17 | dbast | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb |
| 07:50.24 | Neobenedict | is there a way to check first |
| 07:50.38 | Neobenedict | here's the fdisk -l |
| 07:50.48 | Neobenedict | http://pastebin.com/6kDHA2su |
| 07:51.22 | Fyr | Neobenedict, it will require cfdisk to creat a partition table first. |
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| 07:52.20 | Neobenedict | there are three disks here so I assume repeat the steps for all 3 |
| 07:52.32 | Fyr | agreed |
| 07:52.41 | Neobenedict | can you guide me through the cfdisk process |
| 07:52.46 | Neobenedict | doesn't want to break anything |
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| 07:52.57 | Fyr | Neobenedict, isn't it better to have a 3 TB hard drive instead of 3 drives of 1Tb ? |
| 07:53.09 | Neobenedict | they are SSDs |
| 07:53.11 | Neobenedict | i want them separate |
| 07:53.19 | Fyr | Neobenedict, cfdisk has menu config. |
| 07:53.25 | Neobenedict | oh I see |
| 07:53.48 | Neobenedict | so, how do I load up /dev/sdb? |
| 07:53.53 | Neobenedict | and then what do I do? |
| 07:54.17 | Neobenedict | i assume I want to 'Create new partition from free space' |
| 07:54.18 | Fyr | $ cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 07:54.18 | Fyr | $ mktfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 |
| 07:54.21 | Neobenedict | right |
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| 07:54.41 | Neobenedict | http://puu.sh/jCf1h/5d1043ad11.png |
| 07:54.53 | Fyr | new |
| 07:54.59 | Neobenedict | primary or logical |
| 07:55.04 | Fyr | Primary |
| 07:55.05 | Neobenedict | for a storage disk |
| 07:55.10 | Neobenedict | 100% of the size |
| 07:55.11 | Neobenedict | i assume |
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| 07:59.34 | Neobenedict | Fyr: now I have this, is that fine? http://puu.sh/jCfbS/12ac3d90ab.png |
| 07:59.56 | Fyr | swap? |
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| 08:01.33 | Fyr | it doesn't matter, you can format it into ext4fs anytime. |
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| 08:25.12 | Neobenedict | what's the command used to increase the usable size of disks... I thought 5% or something was reserved for something, and it can be decreased |
| 08:27.08 | Neobenedict | found it |
| 08:27.10 | Neobenedict | tune2fs -m |
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| 08:38.38 | hstl | Do x64 programs work with both 64 and 32 or not ? |
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| 09:23.04 | F6F7 | i want to log my iptables to a separate .log file instead of syslog. So I appended "kern.warning /var/log/iptables.log" to my sysctl.conf. However the file iptables.log is not even created after reboot |
| 09:23.13 | F6F7 | log-level is correct and the syntax is too, I am certain. So what could be the reason? |
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| 09:28.02 | katyucha | I host my own dokuwiki with ssl authentification client, on 443. I want to add ssh service but I must use 443 ( to pass behind work proxy). is it possible and how ? |
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| 09:40.59 | valdyn | F6F7: you are editing the wrong file |
| 09:41.44 | user1234 | Does Debian have backdoors for government? |
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| 09:41.59 | F6F7 | valdyn: which one do I need to edit then? |
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| 09:42.16 | svetlana | user1234: some of the non-free repo is, but other parts are not known to |
| 09:42.43 | valdyn | F6F7: whatever log file is used by whatever syslog daemon you are using |
| 09:42.56 | valdyn | F6F7: whatever *conf* file is used by whatever syslog daemon you are using |
| 09:43.33 | F6F7 | well, in sysctl.d there are only two conf files: 30-tracker and 99-sysctl |
| 09:43.48 | valdyn | F6F7: sysctl is not syslog |
| 09:43.57 | valdyn | F6F7: sysctl is not the right place at all |
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| 09:44.58 | F6F7 | Which one do I need then, how do I find out? |
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| 09:45.24 | valdyn | F6F7: config files are often named like the daemon that reads them |
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| 09:45.51 | valdyn | F6F7: so, that gives "rsyslog.conf" or something like that for the debian default rsyslogd |
| 09:46.27 | valdyn | F6F7: or just google it |
| 09:46.30 | Junka | the installer did not prompt me for enabling the backports repo, did i do something wrong? |
| 09:46.40 | valdyn | Junka: i dont think it prompts you |
| 09:47.06 | teclo- | Junka: the Debian installer will never suggest you to install non-free repositories |
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| 09:48.13 | Junka | wat, the backports are non-free? |
| 09:48.34 | valdyn | no |
| 09:48.36 | teclo- | no |
| 09:48.51 | teclo- | the are backports of stuff which is already in Debian |
| 09:49.05 | teclo- | and there's non-free stuff, and backports of non-free stuff |
| 09:49.45 | teclo- | you can use backports of stuff already in Debian for instance if you're running stable but you want to run newer versions of some software |
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| 09:50.42 | Junka | dont i have to enable the 'non-free' section in my sources in order to have access to the nonfree pkgs of that repo? |
| 09:51.06 | xand | umm depends on the repo |
| 09:51.15 | Junka | backports |
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| 10:34.16 | littlebit | hi people, I have been trying to mirror with wget a specific part of wikibooks (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX) but I apparently fail at mirroring right from the start. the only thing that I was able to download was a robots.txt file. |
| 10:34.30 | littlebit | must be some kind of safety measure. |
| 10:34.46 | littlebit | can someone help me how to mirror that site please? |
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| 10:40.18 | BuFF | hi, is there repository for iceweasel? |
| 10:40.32 | BuFF | i'd like to add it to my sources.list |
| 10:40.33 | littlebit | ok I solved it. |
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| 10:56.14 | Kanpirila | What desktop does the "debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso.torrent" live image come with? |
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| 10:57.18 | SynrGy | it doesn't |
| 10:57.36 | SynrGy | read about the images at https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 10:57.51 | Kanpirila | ah it boots into a terminal? |
| 10:57.55 | SynrGy | "... and one text console flavor: standard" |
| 10:57.57 | SynrGy | yep |
| 10:58.07 | Kanpirila | thankx |
| 10:58.11 | SynrGy | as in the "standard" task available in the installer. |
| 10:59.16 | Kanpirila | and the one that comes with gnome is gnome 3? |
| 11:00.33 | BuFF | i'm tryin to upgrade iceweasel with "sudo apt-get -t jessie/updates/ install iceweasel" and get "E: The value 'jessie/updates/' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" |
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| 11:00.42 | BuFF | any ideas on how to solve this? |
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| 11:04.24 | zh1 | have a netbook here a samsung nb30 will i notice any significative difference from running debian in a live iso on netbook from native harddisk installed? from 0 to 100%, what would be ram difference if any? |
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| 11:06.41 | BuFF | already solved, there should be "-" instead of "/" lol |
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| 11:31.53 | Goonzu | any docs on custom kernel on debian? |
| 11:32.39 | SynrGy | !kernel-handbook |
| 11:32.39 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 11:52.17 | CtrlC | Hi, I've installed libbox2d2.3.0-dbg but g++ can't find -lBox2D-d. How can I compile may program in debug mode? The same issue for SFML. |
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| 12:06.29 | CtrlC | Any idea? |
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| 12:16.40 | wm4 | does anyone know if kde works in debian testing? |
| 12:16.47 | wm4 | I know it's completely broken in unstable |
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| 12:21.36 | HeXiLeD | perhaps some one has a clue of what is happening here. i have a vps that all of the sudden stopped responding to ping or ssh. i can access it through the web management in rescue mode and chroot to it but i seem not to be able to get it back to work in normal mode. everything was working until a couple days ago. Frist sshd stopped and then ping and then no more connectivity. I am thinking that a systemd |
| 12:21.38 | HeXiLeD | update may have caused this. i was able to get ssh to work but not the network. Anyone have an idea about hat may caused this ? |
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| 12:22.09 | trotro | hi |
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| 12:22.48 | trotro | i use dnsmasq to handle my local subdomain nslookup is able to resolv ip but that not found when i ping it from command line |
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| 12:23.10 | trotro | i added nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf |
| 12:23.13 | trotro | someone can help me ? |
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| 12:26.40 | MWelchUK | trotro: Are you able to determine the IP of the device to check that it is resolving to the correct address? |
| 12:27.43 | trotro | i use dnsmasq to resolv all subdomain of local domain to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:28.00 | trotro | when i nslookup a subdomain i receiv the expected answer (127.0.0.1) |
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| 12:28.03 | trotro | but i can't ping it |
| 12:28.15 | trotro | ".local" domain |
| 12:28.44 | trotro | i think the problem turn around resolv.conf |
| 12:28.46 | trotro | but i don't find answer |
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| 12:29.36 | MWelchUK | Can you directly ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 12:29.55 | trotro | yes |
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| 12:32.54 | MWelchUK | Hm, when you attempt a ping, does it give you the line: |
| 12:33.28 | trotro | root@dev:/home/sites/com# ping toto.local |
| 12:33.28 | trotro | ping: unknown host toto.local |
| 12:33.29 | MWelchUK | PING foo.local (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 12:35.23 | MWelchUK | If nslookup is working, but ping can't resolve, then I'm not sure. Sorry. |
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| 12:35.58 | trotro | here the result of #nslookup toto.local |
| 12:35.58 | trotro | http://pastebin.fr/40787 |
| 12:36.07 | Simplar | Hello. Which driver is needed to fully enable the possibilities of my nVidia GeForce Go 8000M graphics card on Debian 8 Jessie? Thanks. |
| 12:36.11 | trotro | ok thanks for your time, i willc ontinue to search |
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| 12:39.29 | wallbroken | somebody uses docky? |
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| 12:40.07 | svetlana | Someone of the 1623 users? Sure. Someone willing to volunteer to answer *any* question you have? No. Ask away please rather than waiting for people to raise their hand. |
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| 12:41.01 | garyDavid | Hi! |
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| 12:41.28 | svetlana | Hi. |
| 12:41.33 | garyDavid | How do I get to only display a specific arg or args of a command in `man`? |
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| 12:41.41 | garyDavid | When do I actually use ` ? |
| 12:41.43 | garyDavid | Lol |
| 12:41.50 | garyDavid | I see it as something to emphasize. |
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| 12:46.28 | beanbag | hmmm, |
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| 12:51.00 | garyDavid | How do I get to only display literally the only package I type via apt-cache search? |
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| 12:53.46 | beanbag | apt-cache show ... |
| 12:56.43 | garyDavid | beanbag: Thanks a lot man! |
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| 13:00.09 | beanbag | you can search inside man pages using / just like in firefox |
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| 13:06.22 | zoieo | my hdd is having trouble; i was able to boot on a usb disk, and mount it as read-only to save some documents, and now i want to try to format it completely, but i'm getting "input/output error during write on /dev/sda" looks like i cannot write to my hdd anymore; is there something i can try? |
| 13:06.46 | zoieo | i'm getting this error when trying to partition it from the debian usb live iso |
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| 13:07.37 | hid3 | smartctl -A /dev/sda |
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| 13:07.53 | hid3 | paste the output of that command in some paste tool |
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| 13:09.11 | zoieo | hid3: ok one sec, let me boot on the iso |
| 13:09.12 | garyDavid | beanbag: I did not know of that method :D |
| 13:09.16 | garyDavid | beanbag: Thanks a lot! |
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| 13:12.20 | CtrlC | Hi, I've installed libbox2d2.3.0-dbg but g++ can't find -lBox2D-d. How can I compile may program in debug mode? The same issue for SFML. |
| 13:12.58 | CtrlC | It seems like debian doesn't provide such -d stuff. But how can I use the debug libs? |
| 13:13.11 | zoieo | hid3: http://paste.debian.net/292488 |
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| 13:16.36 | hid3 | oh.. the output looks screwed up. Could you paste it in original format, as it was displayed on the screen? |
| 13:17.40 | CtrlC | Any idea anyone? |
| 13:17.58 | zoieo | hid3: http://paste.debian.net/292490 sorry didn't check it :) |
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| 13:19.44 | gefdecue | how do i open network-manager-gnome from a terminal? |
| 13:21.17 | n40t | I installed broadcom-sta-dkms. I cannot get wifi to work. The output of "lspci -vnn -d 14e4:" shows I have installed the "wl" driver. Anyone know a fix? |
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| 13:25.56 | gefdecue | how do i open network-manager-gnome from a terminal? |
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| 13:37.01 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:37.11 | Goonzu | can anyone make sense of this: http://dpaste.com/3BP8B6R |
| 13:37.26 | n40t | I installed broadcom-sta-dkms. For some reason, I can only connect to the internet via USB. I turned my wifi on and off again and it says "usb 2-3: device not accepting address 3, error -71" I think the problem is that the driver is only reading the USB and not the actual broadcom card. |
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| 13:38.08 | DexterF | when I want to boot off an mdadm raid1, what is that raid's name in grub? grub falls to rescue mode, when I issue ls it shows me hd0, hd1, hd0,msdos1 and msdos2 and hd1,msdos1 and msdos2 |
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| 13:38.41 | DexterF | hd0 and hd1 are the raid1 drives, msdos1 are the raid partitions, msdos2 linux-swap |
| 13:39.27 | DexterF | so the real / partition is on the msdos1 as a sub partition (I did not use lvm but partitioned the md itself) |
| 13:41.19 | rgr | us SO glad he got rid of the mess that is grub and mbr and moved to UEFI via reFit. |
| 13:42.23 | Corey84 | have a friend not able to validate the pgp key for debian 6294BE9B <== keyring.debian.org comes back no such for it ideas? |
| 13:43.26 | rgr | how is he validating it? |
| 13:44.08 | Corey84 | gpg --verify and the sha512 bit |
| 13:44.23 | Corey84 | the hashes seem to match but fp dont |
| 13:44.36 | Corey84 | as he can't import the pgp to validate it |
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| 13:46.28 | Corey84 | nvm he forgot to mention use of tails on OS he was d/ling the dvd from |
| 13:46.37 | Corey84 | he used direct url and got it |
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| 13:47.49 | n40t | I get an error saying "wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning, even though I have all the necessary wireless drivers" anyone know of a fix? |
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| 13:48.34 | TheCreeper | oh shit I accidently pressed keys on keyboard without noticing. Whoops. |
| 13:48.41 | TheCreeper | Sorry guys. |
| 13:48.54 | hid3 | The God will forgive you. But we - won't. |
| 13:49.44 | CtrlC | No idea about my problem guys?:\ |
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| 13:50.38 | DexterF | rgr: 2013-03-29: As you may have noticed, rEFIt is no longer actively maintained. Please check out rEFInd, a fork that is maintaned and under active development. |
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| 13:50.56 | DexterF | frist thing it says. nonetheless I agree, it's a horrible mess. |
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| 13:53.20 | DexterF | rgr: how does it integrate with debian, then? I mean, when I update the kernel, how does it update its menus. |
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| 13:59.23 | rgr | sorry I meant refind. |
| 13:59.42 | rgr | it searches |
| 13:59.57 | rgr | (iirc) |
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| 14:14.45 | Kalko | Hello ! I already know the "wipe" command but I need a secure file deletion function in Python. Could someone tell me if my code will securely delete a file like wipe does ? https://pastee.org/yxqp7 I didn't post this in #python because secure file deletion is more Linux-related and I think that a lot of persons here use Python anyway.. Thanks in advance |
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| 14:17.39 | DexterF | what is a UUID_SUB? |
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| 14:19.09 | knivsta | hi |
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| 14:25.12 | scrud | hello |
| 14:25.30 | Sorch | Hey |
| 14:25.54 | scrud | I would like to disable laptop sleep when the lid is closed. Someone knows how to do so? |
| 14:26.25 | mtn | scrud, which de are you using? |
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| 14:28.22 | scrud | @mnt: debian 7.6 |
| 14:28.48 | mtn | scrud, de=desktop environment. so, gnome? |
| 14:29.11 | n40t | should I try reinstalling Debian because my wireless driver doesn't work? |
| 14:29.30 | scrud | gnome |
| 14:29.40 | mtn | n40t, that seems pointless. why not fix it? |
| 14:29.53 | mtn | scrud, I think tweak tool has a setting for what you want |
| 14:30.05 | n40t | mtn: it won't. I tried 3 different wireless drivers and none of them worked. |
| 14:30.34 | scrud | @mtn: what tweak tool? |
| 14:30.42 | mtn | n40t, well, reinstalling is not likely to fix a non-working driver. which network card? |
| 14:30.57 | n40t | mtn: BCM4352 |
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| 14:31.15 | mtn | scrud, yes, that is the name of a program. gnome-tweak-tool. every gnome use should be familiar with it ;) |
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| 14:31.39 | mtn | n40t, of course it is a broadcom ;) have you followed the debian wiki? |
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| 14:31.59 | n40t | mtn: yeah exactly, I followed maybe 4-5 guides |
| 14:32.14 | rgr | Kalko: use srm or something and call via os.system() |
| 14:32.16 | mtn | n40t, no, not random guides, the debian wiki. yes or no? |
| 14:32.23 | n40t | mtn: yes wiki guides |
| 14:32.34 | mtn | n40t, debian wiki guides? |
| 14:32.38 | Kalko | rgr: It has to work on Windows too... |
| 14:32.40 | n40t | mtn: yes... |
| 14:32.53 | mtn | n40t, which version of debian? |
| 14:32.59 | n40t | mtn: jessie |
| 14:33.06 | scrud | mtn: that worked thanks :) |
| 14:33.29 | mtn | n40t, hmm. ok. I am not really good with broadcom. have you also tried the forums? |
| 14:33.44 | n40t | mtn: yes, I've read a ton of forum guides, none of them worked |
| 14:33.51 | rgr | then put a switch in the code to do the right thing. |
| 14:34.02 | rgr | but secure delete is realms of OS specific. |
| 14:34.19 | mtn | n40t, my advice would be to get a well supported usb dongle. they are cheap and easy to use |
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| 14:35.42 | r6ku | n40t: you've already tried this? https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 14:35.50 | n40t | r6ku: Yes |
| 14:36.16 | Brigo | n40t, what is the output of lspci -nn for your broadcom wirelss card? |
| 14:36.17 | n40t | r6ku: I followed all the steps and even tried several different drivers |
| 14:36.34 | n40t | Brigo: don't you mean -vnn? |
| 14:36.50 | Brigo | no, just -nn one line. |
| 14:37.18 | Brigo | i just want the pciid. |
| 14:37.21 | n40t | network controlled (etc etc etc etc) BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless network adapter [14e4:34b1] |
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| 14:37.56 | Brigo | ,pciid 14e4:34b |
| 14:38.28 | n40t | Brigo: ? |
| 14:38.32 | DexterF | looking for a RAID controller for 8 devices that can do raid 1,5,6 and is properly supported in linux. what's a good choice? pcie1x or 4x |
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| 14:39.07 | Brigo | ,pciid 14e4:34b1 |
| 14:39.08 | judd | [14e4:34b1] is 'Unknown device' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:34b1 |
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| 14:39.49 | JyZyXEL | is it normal for knotify4 to always seg fault on jessie? |
| 14:39.57 | n40t | Brigo: is that a command? I don't follow |
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| 14:41.03 | Brigo | n40t, is a bot. You can summon it with the lead ','. pciid is a command for identify the hardware from its pciid [14e4:34b1] |
| 14:41.22 | Brigo | n40t, and it says that is not supported in jessie. |
| 14:41.24 | r6ku | meh, the last time I was using a laptop with a broadcom card I was testing linux mint, that driver manager gui tool is really handy |
| 14:41.34 | DexterF | n40t: got the firmware in place? I thibk bcms needs some closed fw and debian is a bit uptight when it comes to closed src firmware |
| 14:41.45 | n40t | wat |
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| 14:42.20 | n40t | Brigo: in the Debian wiki, someone has the same exact laptop as me and got it to work, so I don't know why it wouldn't be supported |
| 14:42.41 | n40t | DexterF: I'm not even sure at this point. How can I check? |
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| 14:42.58 | Brigo | n40t, don't know if the judd information is accurate |
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| 14:45.17 | DexterF | n40t: aptitude search bcm , see if it yields somethign that looks like you might need it |
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| 14:45.41 | DexterF | n40t: check in /et/apt/sources if the debian lines contain nonfree |
| 14:45.45 | n40t | DexterF: I did that before and went through all the drivers, even if BCM4352 isn't directyls supported |
| 14:46.00 | n40t | DexterF: they do contain nonfree and contrib |
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| 14:47.20 | rgr | take mtn's advice. just buy one that works. I had this years ago and it just wasnt worth the hassle ;) |
| 14:47.41 | r6ku | n40t: how about this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=107856&p=531143&hilit=bcm4352&sid=83e9973b65d1050626596f1389d964fc#p531143 |
| 14:47.48 | rgr | "Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter" : cost me 10 euro or something. |
| 14:48.26 | n40t | r6ku: I've haven't come across that yet, but I've done something similar. bcmwl-kernel-source doesn't exist anymore. |
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| 14:50.41 | DexterF | something completely different: how do I tell debian7 to re-generate its initramfs and make it raid-aware? I moved data from a single disk to a raid1 md and it wont boot, kernel yes, but then says it cannot find the root partition uuid, but the uuid is correct |
| 14:51.07 | jelly | DexterF: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 14:51.38 | jelly | DexterF: before that, make sure mdadm.conf contains ARRAY lines for the relevant md raid arrays |
| 14:51.59 | Brigo | n40t, i would like to check the logs of those tests you did. |
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| 14:52.19 | n40t | Brigo: dmseg? What do you need? |
| 14:52.56 | DexterF | jelly: can I do that from a chroot with bound dev proc sys in a live linux like knoppix? |
| 14:53.00 | n40t | I'm actually going to try and reinstall everything. |
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| 14:54.21 | Brigo | n40t, syslog better, and better even, journalctl -b (from each one) |
| 14:55.01 | rgr | n40t: everything? |
| 14:55.21 | n40t | rgr: yeah I'm going to delete Debian |
| 14:55.37 | jelly | DexterF: yes, but I'm unsure about the results ;-) |
| 14:55.47 | dgeary2_Atomic | running debian wheezy on a samsung np350v5c. touchpad including buttons don't work. how to investigate? |
| 14:56.06 | DexterF | jelly: mee, too, but I would not know how else, I mean, there is no debian live. |
| 14:56.07 | r6ku | n40t: if you're going to go through the trouble of reinstalling, maybe try the non-free firmware install image? |
| 14:56.20 | jelly | !live |
| 14:56.20 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. |
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| 14:57.47 | r6ku | n40t: there you go: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 15:00.12 | DexterF | jelly: whoa. 2015. |
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| 15:02.16 | fightthewalrus | hi, I'm trying to install ffmpeg but it isn't in the main repo of Jessie. What repository must I add to sources.list to install it? |
| 15:02.26 | fightthewalrus | is it non-free? |
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| 15:02.56 | r6ku | ffmpeg is not in jessie |
| 15:03.06 | yowoTO | https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/libav |
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| 15:04.17 | fightthewalrus | thanks, r6ku, did it change to libav, avconv? |
| 15:05.35 | r6ku | fightthewalrus: ffmpeg was forked, stuff happened and ffmpeg's fork libav ended up in jessie, if you want *ffmpeg* specifically for whatever reason then it's in testing/unstable |
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| 15:06.51 | DexterF | jelly: hmmm. reconf mdadm : it updated the initramfs for one 3.8.5 kernel I once compile myself, but no word about the dist's 3.2. kernel. |
| 15:07.05 | fightthewalrus | r6ku, thanks, I see. Nevermind ffmpeg then, I saw that libav-tools contains avconv, which pretty much is the same thing... |
| 15:07.30 | jelly | DexterF: oh, you can run update-initramfs yourself then |
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| 15:09.01 | yowoTO | I'm switching from crunchbang- I want to netinstall debian (latest), I guess the simplest is LXDE and it already has openbox- can I just remove LXDE? I dont need a desktop environment. |
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| 15:10.20 | madrik | fightthewalrus: FWIW, I've been compiling ffmpeg for a while now. |
| 15:10.34 | DexterF | jelly: ah, update-initramfs -u -k all saw it. still reconf mdadm once more or should that do now? |
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| 15:11.07 | Amun_Ra | yowoTO: yes |
| 15:12.02 | r6ku | yowoTO: just make sure you untick "desktop" in tasksel so you don't end up with gnome :p |
| 15:12.12 | mtn | yowoTO, you can also use the netinstall and install only what you want. no need to remove anything |
| 15:12.38 | mtn | yowoTO, when you say latest, what do you really mean? sid? |
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| 15:14.04 | fightthewalrus | madrik: really? |
| 15:14.17 | fightthewalrus | what is your motivation behind it? |
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| 15:14.51 | DexterF | jelly: I owe you a beer |
| 15:14.51 | fightthewalrus | I've always used ffmpeg as well, until Ubuntu changed it to avconv in their repos |
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| 15:18.41 | jelly | DexterF: you're welcome! |
| 15:20.25 | GenteelBen | fightthewalrus the U-word is voerboten here. |
| 15:21.28 | beco | Hello debians |
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| 15:22.20 | fightthewalrus | GenteelBen, wow :O |
| 15:22.50 | fightthewalrus | glad I haven't used it for a few years now |
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| 15:42.50 | komaanzeg | Could anyone point me to the 8.1 netinstall file? |
| 15:42.56 | komaanzeg | the iso* |
| 15:43.08 | komaanzeg | I'm browsing the ftp, but can't find the netinstall |
| 15:43.17 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 15:43.18 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 15:43.49 | komaanzeg | thanks |
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| 15:44.48 | razr | Yeah, it is the small cd image |
| 15:44.56 | komaanzeg | aha, that explains |
| 15:45.05 | komaanzeg | thank you :-) |
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| 15:46.28 | razr | 150-280 MB |
| 15:46.48 | c0fe_machine | i like that the wording "it has been said" as debian is some mythical creature :D |
| 15:47.04 | komaanzeg | yeah, it's original |
| 15:47.18 | komaanzeg | breaks with the dry help messages :-) |
| 15:47.40 | razr | Debian is a mythical creature ;D |
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| 15:48.13 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 15:48.13 | dpkg | well, debianlove is the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 15:48.29 | c0fe_machine | i am curious to see how difficult it would be to implement yast onto debian |
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| 15:50.26 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, why not use aptitude interactively? |
| 15:50.54 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, its not yast tho |
| 15:51.12 | c0fe_machine | dutchfish: is that based on ncurses? |
| 15:51.27 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, i believe so, yes |
| 15:51.34 | c0fe_machine | hmm ok lets see |
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| 15:52.11 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, its along time ago i touched yast btw ;) |
| 15:52.48 | c0fe_machine | im looking at it but does not seem to be as much documentation on it as yast has |
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| 15:54.01 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 15:55.39 | c0fe_machine | dutchfish: i see |
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| 15:56.09 | c0fe_machine | i don't know |
| 15:56.17 | c0fe_machine | i have to talk to other programmers about it then i guess |
| 15:56.23 | c0fe_machine | was not aware that it was ncruses based |
| 15:57.07 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, well, its not yast, but it could be extended |
| 15:57.32 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, most sysops use the console however |
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| 15:59.40 | c0fe_machine | dutchfish: console? |
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| 16:00.59 | dutchfish | c0fe_machine, instead of a menulike structure as in ncurses, they prefer the console to configure the system |
| 16:01.33 | c0fe_machine | oh i see what you mean CLI, i can work on it just fine but i have seen other admins work on CLI for much longer than it would just take to go through the menus |
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| 16:07.07 | garyDavid | Hi! |
| 16:07.13 | garyDavid | Ah nvm :p |
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| 16:16.31 | lesta | can anyone point me to a tutorial about share the internet connection from one machine to other? |
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| 16:21.36 | Brigo | lesta, you just need masquerading. |
| 16:21.57 | lesta | NAT? |
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| 16:23.42 | Brigo | lesta, yes. |
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| 16:25.11 | zoie | i have a hdd issue, it seems to be failing; the smart values seems to be fine, and "dd" works fine for writing; moreover i can mount both windows and linux partitions as read-only but i cannot mount them normally; i'm trying to wipe/format the hdd with gparted but i'm getting Input/Output error during write on sdb when trying to delete a partition (i'm booted on a debian live iso) |
| 16:26.04 | lesta | Brigo: thanks, I got a debian admin tutorial |
| 16:27.24 | Brigo | lesta, fine. |
| 16:27.53 | Brigo | lesta, carefull, it could be old information, for example jessie use systemd, not systemvinit. |
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| 16:28.40 | Brigo | zoie, do you get errors in log? dmesg or jounalctl. |
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| 16:29.34 | zoie | Brigo: yes: http://paste.debian.net/292563/ |
| 16:30.22 | Brigo | zoie, the disk is ok? can you test it in another machine? |
| 16:30.53 | Brigo | zoie, the problem could be the computer, the data wire, the power wire, or the sata controller. |
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| 16:31.28 | zoie | Brigo: no this would void the warranty as it's a laptop; it seems the hdd is failing but i don't know for sure before giving up |
| 16:32.06 | Brigo | zoie, if the smart test is ok, then i would assume it is the computer itself. |
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| 16:33.33 | zoie | Brigo: but the computer is running fine on the live debian iso |
| 16:33.56 | Brigo | zoie, because you are not using the sata controller nor the wires. |
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| 16:34.23 | lesta | Brigo: Wed 6 Oct 2004 |
| 16:35.09 | Brigo | lesta, the technic itself is almost the same, you have to add some nat or masquerading rules and allow ip forwarding, that is. |
| 16:35.14 | Brigo | and configure dns. |
| 16:35.19 | zoie | Brigo: the command dd to write things seem to be writing fine too |
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| 16:36.00 | Brigo | zoie, when you have hardware problems, the simpthoms could be quite random. |
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| 16:36.17 | Brigo | symptoms* |
| 16:37.20 | mtn | zoie, do you have one or two hard drives? |
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| 16:38.52 | zoie_ | Brigo: is there anything i can do as a temporary solution before bringing it to the shop? |
| 16:39.14 | mtn | zoie_, do you have one or two hard drives? |
| 16:39.50 | Brigo | zoie_, without lose the garanty, i don't think so. |
| 16:40.07 | mtn | I must be invisible again |
| 16:40.15 | Brigo | mtn, XD |
| 16:40.27 | mtn | now I feel better :P |
| 16:41.01 | zoie_ | mtn: just one with two partitions, but i cannot replace is without losing the garanty |
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| 16:41.23 | mtn | zoie_, ok, the errors I saw were for sdb, which is your usb stick, not the hard drive |
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| 16:42.27 | zayn | I have a question if any one can answer it |
| 16:42.32 | mtn | zoie_, you can't format the ubs stick while using it |
| 16:42.38 | mtn | ubs/usb |
| 16:42.49 | mtn | zayn, maybe |
| 16:43.22 | zayn | SO i installed kali linux 2.0, and while it's debian based i figured i could come her to get an idea of what to do next as far as fixing my video card drivers |
| 16:43.32 | mtn | !kali |
| 16:43.33 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 16:43.49 | zayn | WHELP ok then |
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| 16:44.28 | x86iac | simpthoms is a random grouping of letters or memes? |
| 16:44.45 | zoie | sorry i got disconnected again, was there anything for me? |
| 16:44.45 | mtn | zoie_, were you trying to mount the hard drive partitions using the live disk? |
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| 16:45.04 | mtn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.14 | mtn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.43 | x86iac | zoie: you would have won the channels daily $1M give away if you hadn't gotten lost |
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| 16:46.57 | zoie | mtn: the hard drive is sdb and the usb stick on which i'm booted is sda |
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| 16:47.31 | mtn | zoie, not likely ;) the hard drive is always the first drive. do lsblk and paste the results to dpaste.com |
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| 16:48.13 | zoie | mtn: http://paste.debian.net/292569/ |
| 16:48.46 | zoie | mtn: sda is the live usb key, sdc is a random usb key i'm using to back up files, and sdb is the 1 TB hdd split into ~10 partitions |
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| 16:49.13 | mtn | zoie, ok, I stand corrected. are you trying to mount your hd partitions using the live disk? |
| 16:49.59 | zoie | mtn: i tried to mount but that doesn't work, i was able to mount them as read-only though to backup my files; now i'm just trying to format everything to start with a fresh installation, but even that is failing (when trying to delete partitions with gparted, i get an Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb) |
| 16:51.07 | mtn | zoie, well, mounting from a live disk will be read only. the I/O errors are not good. does gparted delete the partitions successfully? |
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| 16:52.04 | zoie | zoie: why is it not possible to mount as read/write? no it's not able to delete the partitions |
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| 16:52.23 | zoie | mtn: ^ |
| 16:52.48 | Volatix | Anyone can recommend a PDF reader that allows for highlighting and bookmarks (that's NOT KDE Okulur)? I'm running Gnome. |
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| 16:53.37 | mtn | zoie, that is how it does it by default. not sure about "why". do you have windows installed on the hd? |
| 16:54.18 | zoie | mtn: i have one partition with debian, and one with windows; both fail to mount by default, i have to provide the read-only option |
| 16:54.42 | zoie | (partition with debian is ext4 and partition with windows is ntfs) |
| 16:54.57 | mtn | zoie, you can't boot into windows or linux anymore? |
| 16:55.06 | zoie | mtn: no, both fail |
| 16:55.31 | zoie | mtn: windows load indefinitely, while debian fail while displaying errors such as: http://paste.debian.net/292563/ |
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| 16:56.18 | mtn | zoie, sounds like hardware problems alright |
| 16:56.35 | zoie | mtn: yes but where? hard drive? |
| 16:56.42 | mtn | zoie, yes |
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| 16:57.18 | zoie | mtn: how to know for sure? all the tests i'm doing seem to pass |
| 16:57.50 | mtn | zoie, all the errors point that way. you could also google your error messages for more details about what they mean |
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| 17:01.00 | head8debian | zoie: Do you have a backup of your data on that drive? |
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| 17:01.17 | zoie | head8debian: yes |
| 17:01.26 | head8debian | Phewph. ;-) |
| 17:01.26 | no_gravity | How do I set the default text editor in Gnome? |
| 17:01.33 | zoie | head8debian: i'm ready to wipe it/delete the partitions but even that is failing |
| 17:01.45 | head8debian | zoie: A live CD works fine then? |
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| 17:02.21 | zoie | head8debian: yes i'm currently booted on a live usb stick (debian) |
| 17:02.31 | head8debian | Ah, ok, sounds like HDD failure... |
| 17:02.51 | head8debian | zoie: You could use smartctl or gnome-disks to troubleshoot the issue. |
| 17:03.00 | head8debian | See if the drive is actually failing. |
| 17:03.14 | zoie | head8debian: i ran smart tests and they were fine |
| 17:03.42 | zoie | head8debian: http://paste.debian.net/292571/ |
| 17:05.04 | head8debian | Hmm, that is odd. |
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| 17:06.47 | head8debian | I guess i don't know what else to say. ;) |
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| 17:08.06 | x86iac | make something up? |
| 17:09.03 | zoie | no worries :( |
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| 17:12.31 | HeXiLeD | as ia32-libs been replaced ? |
| 17:12.54 | Brigo | HeXiLeD, it is not needed any more. You have to use multiarch support. |
| 17:13.22 | HeXiLeD | i only need to run one 32 bit package |
| 17:13.28 | HeXiLeD | want to make it simple |
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| 17:14.17 | Brigo | HeXiLeD, it is simple just dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update |
| 17:14.21 | Brigo | and install the package. |
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| 17:15.07 | zoie | i'm currently mounted on a live debian usb stick, how can i get more space on /? (for instance by using the free space on the usb stick) |
| 17:15.08 | Brigo | if the package have both amd64 and i386 versions you can set the arch adding :i386 or :amd64 to the package name, for example apt-get install bash:i386 |
| 17:15.22 | HeXiLeD | thank you |
| 17:15.41 | Brigo | zoie, you can't it is a readonly file system or if it is in ram is a ram filesystem. |
| 17:15.45 | iio7 | I have just installed Debian Testing amd64 netinst (weekly snapshot 2015-08-10) and have tried booting on two different boxes, both with uefi, but the disk wont boot. Is there no way to boot testing in efi based boxes? |
| 17:15.48 | Brigo | HeXiLeD, np :) |
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| 17:16.22 | iio7 | installed -> burned |
| 17:16.30 | zoie | Brigo: no workaround? i need to download many packages (latex) |
| 17:17.01 | Brigo | iio7, testing boot images are intended only for test things. Don't use it for installing. Intall the base stable and then upgrade. |
| 17:17.27 | iio7 | Brigo, that's not the issue, can testing boot on efi or not? |
| 17:17.33 | Brigo | zoie, mount something in /var/cache/apt/archives, then you get the space there. |
| 17:17.51 | Brigo | iio7, even wheezy -old-stable- can |
| 17:18.10 | iio7 | Brigo, source? |
| 17:18.19 | Brigo | source of what? |
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| 17:18.50 | iio7 | Your statement, I cannot locate information on UEFI support for wheezy. |
| 17:18.54 | Brigo | !efi |
| 17:18.55 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 17:19.31 | iio7 | Thanks, I don't get why the ISO then don't boot on those boxes. |
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| 17:21.22 | Brigo | iio7, as i told you they are not suppose to do it. They are just testing images builded automaticaly from the availabe packages in tesging. |
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| 17:22.14 | iio7 | Brigo, what do you mean that they are not supposed to do it? Either uefi is supported or not. Do you mean to say that "testing" version doesn't support uefi, but stable does? That makes no sense. |
| 17:22.54 | Brigo | iio7, i meat may be the packages are broken just now (just an example) |
| 17:23.24 | iio7 | Brigo, ah, ok, now I follow. I know that. |
| 17:24.06 | Brigo | iio7, i do my best despite my bad english :) |
| 17:24.36 | iio7 | Brigo, no problem ;) Thanks! |
| 17:24.41 | x86iac | zoie: you can link over a dir on the stick from a partition on the usb stick |
| 17:24.49 | Brigo | iio7, you are wellcome :) |
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| 17:25.34 | zoie | x86iac: i'm not sure i understand, for instance if i need space on /usr/share, how does that work? |
| 17:25.39 | x86iac | or mount over |
| 17:25.58 | x86iac | what dir in /usr/share do you want space for |
| 17:26.49 | zoie | x86iac: " cannot copy extracted data for './usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/generic/pst-grad/pst-grad-doc.pdf' to '/usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/generic/pst-grad/pst-grad-doc.pdf.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)" |
| 17:27.34 | x86iac | that is one deep dir structure - what do you have on /usr/share doc? |
| 17:28.38 | x86iac | mount /dev/sdb1 /usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/generic/pst-grad |
| 17:29.10 | zoie | ok i understand thanks |
| 17:29.32 | zoie | x86iac: can i not gain space on the whole / root structure? i'm not sure where i need the space the most |
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| 17:30.26 | x86iac | yea but when you overmount you will lose what was there on / already - i'd just go for what you really need |
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| 17:31.21 | zoie | x86iac: is it not possible to simply mount some usb stick, and work from there? |
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| 17:32.07 | x86iac | you can change $PATH to what ever you want |
| 17:32.36 | zoie | x86iac: yes but apt-get install will still install in /usr |
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| 17:42.15 | komaanzeg | Hello, I just installed debian-netinstall. Logging in as root directly on the systeem works. Logging in as root via SSH gets me the message: "Access denied" (as if the password is wrong). Am I overlooking something? |
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| 17:43.08 | zoie | sorry i got disconnected; i'm currently booted on a live usb stick, and i need to install a full latex distribution on another (mounted) usb stick; what's the simplest way to do that? i cannot use apt-get as i do not have enough free space on / |
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| 17:44.46 | Brigo | komaanzeg, i think root login are forbiden by default in sshd configuration |
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| 17:46.58 | komaanzeg | aha that explains Brigo. that wasn't the case on my old debian 6 installation though :-) |
| 17:47.20 | Brigo | komaanzeg, that's new, yes :) |
| 17:48.01 | jmcnaught | root can log into ssh on jessie, but not with a password (have to use a key) |
| 17:48.36 | jmcnaught | or you can change the value of PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:49.03 | peterrooney | What's interesting about that is that apt-file doesn |
| 17:49.14 | peterrooney | 't report what package sshd_config belongs to |
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| 17:52.34 | komaanzeg | jmcnaught: thanks! |
| 17:53.15 | jmcnaught | peterrooney: i think it's because that file is created by openssh-server's postinst script instead of being one of the included files |
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| 18:02.13 | blast_hardcheese | I've got two power-related issues (laptop) that I'm trying to debug, any help would be appreciated. I'm on Jessie, with systemd as my init system |
| 18:02.31 | blast_hardcheese | First is that the power button on my laptop immediately shuts down the machine when pressed |
| 18:03.04 | blast_hardcheese | I've added `HandleLidSwitch=ignore` to logind.conf.d/$(hostname -s).conf |
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| 18:03.37 | blast_hardcheese | unfortunately pressing it still kills my laptop |
| 18:04.55 | x86iac | zoie: i've said it a few times now - over mount your new usb onto where the apt-get will put it - and there is probably a apt-get or dkpg switch that controlls where installation is ... or do source and you can use --prefix to put it where you want |
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| 18:05.32 | blast_hardcheese | Second is that systemctl suspend puts my laptop into a state where the power light blinks every second or so, which suggests the machine is sleeping, but after some unspecified amount of time the laptop will be super overheated and nonresponsive |
| 18:05.45 | blast_hardcheese | I've got an Asus UX303LN |
| 18:06.14 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: HandleLidSwitch=ignore is what i use to stop my laptop from suspending if i close the lid. There is also HandlePowerKey, or if you use gnome you can configure the power button action in gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 18:06.57 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, HandleLidSwitch handles the lid, when you clouse it, not the button. |
| 18:07.04 | A1BaTrOs | hey |
| 18:07.10 | blast_hardcheese | I'm running slim directly into i3, but I am using a consolekit wrapper |
| 18:07.16 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, sorry, I pasted the wrong one |
| 18:07.30 | blast_hardcheese | I've got HandlePowerKey=ignore in there as well |
| 18:07.33 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, is logingd managing your session? |
| 18:07.44 | Brigo | logind* |
| 18:08.02 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo, now that you mention it, I'm not sure. How can I check? |
| 18:08.18 | Brigo | logind --list-sessions, i think |
| 18:08.21 | blast_hardcheese | systemd-logind is running |
| 18:08.28 | A1BaTrOs | i really need some help getting a list of installed packages and a method to remove some including dependencies and shit |
| 18:08.30 | blast_hardcheese | logind isn't on my path |
| 18:08.55 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, sorry: loginctl list-sessions |
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| 18:09.29 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo, That lists my session |
| 18:09.55 | blast_hardcheese | well, it lists two sessions; my session and lightdm (I said slim earlier, forgot I had switched) |
| 18:10.08 | Brigo | that's ok |
| 18:10.45 | Brigo | check logs about that button, search for acpi problems. |
| 18:10.48 | blast_hardcheese | oh, but loginctl show-user shows HandlePowerKey=poweroff |
| 18:11.13 | blast_hardcheese | Maybe my config isn't being read, or my local user config is overriding it |
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| 18:12.03 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, did you restart logind service? |
| 18:12.29 | blast_hardcheese | I've restarted my machine multiple times since this all stared :) |
| 18:12.32 | blast_hardcheese | *started |
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| 18:12.56 | blast_hardcheese | mainly because I had no way to see what was going to happen when I pushed that key, so I'd push it to test |
| 18:13.25 | blast_hardcheese | currently have luks set up with a simple passphrase because I was getting RSI from typing so much ;) |
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| 18:15.04 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: the logind.conf(5) i see online lists /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/* but the same man page on my jessie system here does not. maybe support for .d was added after 215 included with jessie? |
| 18:15.40 | blast_hardcheese | jmcnaught: That directory was shipped with the package, so I assumed it was kosher, but I'll try the main config |
| 18:16.12 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: you might also be using a newer version than me if you're not on jessie/stable |
| 18:16.30 | blast_hardcheese | ugh, sure enough, that was it |
| 18:16.55 | blast_hardcheese | shouldn't have assumed |
| 18:17.53 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: for what it's worth, i do not have /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d on my system |
| 18:19.34 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, well if man page says it, i would assume it. It worth a bug report. |
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| 18:20.46 | blast_hardcheese | whoops |
| 18:21.11 | blast_hardcheese | jmcnaught, grep -R logind.conf.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/ doesn't find anything, and Brigo, the manpage doesn't mention anything either |
| 18:21.20 | blast_hardcheese | I suspect pebkac in this case |
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| 18:21.56 | Brigo | ah, jmcnaught was talking about the online version, right. |
| 18:21.59 | blast_hardcheese | well, one problem is probably solved, which is exciting |
| 18:22.15 | blast_hardcheese | Any suggestions/guesses about suspend killing my laptop? |
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| 18:22.50 | Igel | suspend to ram? |
| 18:22.54 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 18:23.05 | Igel | when it comes back.. what happens? |
| 18:23.05 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, you can try to change in the bios the suspend mode. |
| 18:23.13 | Igel | black screen or.? |
| 18:23.27 | blast_hardcheese | I should mention, before we get too much further, I'm running the liquorix kernel in an attempt to troubleshoot a wireless issue as well |
| 18:23.46 | Igel | its still the linux kernel right, so..just some mods to wifi? |
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| 18:24.12 | blast_hardcheese | Igel, and a newer version than ships with Debian |
| 18:24.30 | Igel | so.. nothing too crazy heh.. |
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| 18:24.45 | blast_hardcheese | Igel, When I take the laptop out of my bag (or when I open it in the morning, as I did just now) the hinge where the vent is is super hot and the screen doesn't come back when I open the lid |
| 18:24.55 | Igel | so it doesnt sleep |
| 18:24.58 | allure | is auto-apt safe? |
| 18:25.01 | blast_hardcheese | Not necessarily |
| 18:25.08 | Igel | something is waking it? |
| 18:25.15 | blast_hardcheese | since I can systemctl suspend then hit a key to wake it back up again |
| 18:25.43 | blast_hardcheese | right, maybe what Brigo is suggesting (although I scoured the interface looking for something, there are very few options to change) |
| 18:26.15 | Igel | if its hot, it was running in your bag |
| 18:26.25 | blast_hardcheese | Last night the laptop was just sitting on the table with the lid closed, plugged in, no shaking or trauma or anything |
| 18:27.11 | Igel | well |
| 18:27.17 | Igel | burn a live usb |
| 18:27.19 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, you can change it from the acpi support somehow |
| 18:27.27 | Igel | boot that, see if it works |
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| 18:28.07 | Igel | theres different levels in sleep or wakeups in bios, good luck finding it for laptop |
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| 18:28.17 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo, I uninstalled acpid in an attempt to troubleshoot this power button issue, in the event that it was a race condition |
| 18:29.02 | blast_hardcheese | systemd package doesn't depend on acpid, so that should be fine, right? |
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| 18:29.56 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, yes, but now who manages that button? |
| 18:30.12 | Brigo | you can use the apm system, but it is very old. |
| 18:30.19 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry, which button? |
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| 18:30.33 | stallmen | should i use debian testing or unstable |
| 18:30.35 | Brigo | the poweroff button. |
| 18:30.36 | stallmen | which do you guys use |
| 18:30.41 | blast_hardcheese | I'm talking about running the suspend command directly |
| 18:30.42 | Brigo | stallmen, stable. |
| 18:31.01 | blast_hardcheese | the laptop seems to enter a sleep state |
| 18:31.08 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, i know, but i am worried about that button now :) |
| 18:31.23 | blast_hardcheese | hah, why? |
| 18:31.30 | blast_hardcheese | I'd be fine if it was permanently disabled |
| 18:32.06 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, i am wondering who manages that button now. If logind or acpid don't do it. |
| 18:32.09 | blast_hardcheese | easy enough for me to systemctl halt if I actually want to shut down my machine, which is never |
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| 18:32.31 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo, What happens if nobody manages it? |
| 18:32.41 | blast_hardcheese | I would think the even was just dropped on the floor, right? |
| 18:32.47 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, systemcl poweroff, better. |
| 18:32.53 | blast_hardcheese | oh, true |
| 18:33.01 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, i really don't know may be the bios manages it? |
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| 18:33.15 | blast_hardcheese | Well that's the thing; I haven't pushed it after changing the config |
| 18:33.27 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, :D |
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| 18:33.34 | blast_hardcheese | It might just be a blank button now |
| 18:33.59 | blast_hardcheese | I know that X11 isn't handling it, since I xmodmap'd it away from X86PowerOff |
| 18:34.23 | blast_hardcheese | sorry, XF86PowerOff |
| 18:34.54 | blast_hardcheese | and if acpid isn't even installed, I don't know why we're still concerned with it :) |
| 18:35.18 | blast_hardcheese | Brigo, About the suspend issue and acpi events, I forgot I boot with "acpi_osi=" in the kernel parameters |
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| 18:35.57 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, what's that? |
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| 18:37.02 | blast_hardcheese | Probably irrelevant now, since I'm on kernel 4, but a year ago that was needed to get the backlight buttons to work |
| 18:37.47 | blast_hardcheese | Let me remove them and try to suspend while I go to a coffeeshop and see what happens |
| 18:37.56 | blast_hardcheese | I'll also look for acpi settings in efi as well |
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| 18:38.36 | blast_hardcheese | If I don't see you guys again, thanks Brigo, jmcnaught, and Igel |
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| 18:38.50 | Brigo | blast_hardcheese, np :) |
| 18:38.50 | blast_hardcheese | Pushing power button now, let's hope it does nothing! |
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| 18:39.23 | Igel | cheers |
| 18:39.40 | blast_hardcheese | Woohoo! Power button doesn't do anything anymore! |
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| 18:39.55 | blast_hardcheese | systemctl restart, here I come |
| 18:40.04 | blast_hardcheese | err, reboot |
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| 18:54.41 | Eatuck | Hi everyone. I am having package dependency issues trying to install pipelight-multi from their debian repository. Synaptic wants to uninstall a ton of packages, including my nvidia drivers which seems odd. Trying to install from the terminal gives this output <http://pastebin.com/rn1CUGgt>. Has anyone come across this issue? If so, what did you do to fix it? Thank you for your help |
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| 18:55.00 | Eatuck | pipelight chat said to ask here by the way |
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| 18:57.06 | Brigo | Eatuck, are you using jessie? |
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| 18:57.42 | Brigo | ,v wine-staging |
| 18:57.44 | judd | No package named 'wine-staging' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:57.53 | stallmen | guys whatsthe difference between stable and testing |
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| 18:58.25 | Eatuck | I am using testing |
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| 19:00.05 | stallmen | is there a testing livecd |
| 19:00.09 | r6ku | Eatuck: could you paste your sources.list? |
| 19:00.20 | Eatuck | sure. just a sec |
| 19:00.22 | Brigo | stallmen, the names are quite descriptive. |
| 19:01.00 | Brigo | Eatuck, that packages should be intended for debian stable, not testing. |
| 19:01.19 | Eatuck | I am using their testing repository |
| 19:01.59 | Brigo | packages in testing are always changing, so the dependencies can always fail. |
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| 19:03.47 | stallmen | would rolling release distros be considered testing |
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| 19:04.45 | stallmen | nvm |
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| 19:05.44 | Brigo | stallmen, i don't know how rolling releases work, i don't see how can the avoid problems with poor tested packages. |
| 19:06.00 | Eatuck | sources.list <http://pastebin.com/d1BzzVjU> |
| 19:06.03 | Brigo | they* |
| 19:06.32 | Eatuck | you will see unstable in there but I pinned it so testing comes first |
| 19:08.16 | Eatuck | sounds like my biggest problem is using testing to begin with |
| 19:08.35 | r6ku | Eatuck: you did remember to add i386 with dpkg? |
| 19:08.40 | Eatuck | I did |
| 19:08.45 | stallmen | whats more likely to break? unstable or testing |
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| 19:10.05 | stallmen | unstable |
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| 19:11.31 | stallmen | how outdated will stable be |
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| 19:12.12 | stallmen | i think ill just go back to arch |
| 19:12.17 | stallmen | i dont want something outdated |
| 19:12.25 | r6ku | lol? |
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| 19:13.06 | Eatuck | wow |
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| 19:13.20 | dgeary2_Atomic | how to install firmware from command line? firmware package is already installed. reboot is not an option. running debian wheezy. |
| 19:13.42 | wsky | dgeary2_Atomic: reload the needed module |
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| 19:14.10 | r6ku | Eatuck: I can get the dependencies resolved in sid for pipelight-multi, it might be something on your end or you didn't try to resolve them right |
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| 19:15.00 | Eatuck | maybe I should try to install the package from sid |
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| 19:16.14 | Eatuck | nope didn't work |
| 19:16.17 | Eatuck | same output |
| 19:16.24 | wsky | Eatuck: better build a package by yourself |
| 19:16.39 | wsky | Eatuck: what software are we speaking of? |
| 19:16.39 | stallmen | guys tell me |
| 19:16.42 | stallmen | which debian should i get |
| 19:16.43 | r6ku | Eatuck: open up aptitude and look at what it suggests |
| 19:16.49 | wsky | stallmen: depends on your needs |
| 19:16.59 | Eatuck | pipelight-multi |
| 19:17.05 | stallmen | i just want up to date stuff that wont break |
| 19:17.15 | wsky | stallmen: then stable is way to go |
| 19:17.22 | stallmen | but thatsn ot up to date |
| 19:17.32 | wsky | you can use backports |
| 19:17.38 | stallmen | sounds complicated |
| 19:17.48 | stallmen | im thinking of getting either unstable or testing |
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| 19:17.58 | stallmen | but how bad would it be when it breaks |
| 19:17.58 | r6ku | stallmen: unless you absolutely need newer packages, just stick to stable |
| 19:17.58 | wsky | backports is just a repository with updated packages compiled for stable |
| 19:18.45 | stallmen | what types of things happen when debian breaks |
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| 19:18.48 | stallmen | is it easy to fix |
| 19:19.15 | stallmen | well i guess if it has backports |
| 19:19.18 | stallmen | im going to trust you |
| 19:19.36 | Eatuck | I would run stable if there was a backport for the driver for my card. GTX 970 only has a driver in experimental |
| 19:19.46 | Eatuck | *videocard |
| 19:19.53 | wsky | stallmen: people report minor breakage that can be fixed just by reconfiguring the system one way or another |
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| 19:20.15 | wsky | stallmen: for serious breakage - bugzilla and pray to the devs |
| 19:20.28 | stallmen | what are the chances of unstable breaking |
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| 19:20.32 | r6ku | 100% |
| 19:20.40 | stallmen | what about testing |
| 19:21.18 | wsky | and what do you think |
| 19:21.23 | peterrooney | stallmen: 100% |
| 19:21.24 | stallmen | 100%? |
| 19:21.25 | wsky | untill it's not frozen - expect issues |
| 19:21.29 | stallmen | i mean |
| 19:21.31 | peterrooney | !testing |
| 19:21.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 19:21.32 | stallmen | how many days out of the year |
| 19:21.35 | stallmen | will it break |
| 19:21.36 | wsky | untill it's frozen* |
| 19:21.37 | stallmen | or out of a month |
| 19:22.26 | wsky | tbh i remember using sid for few months and having no issues |
| 19:22.33 | wsky | but i guess i was lucky |
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| 19:23.14 | wsky | people say here that sid is more stable than any ubuntu release |
| 19:23.22 | stallmen | i guess im going to get stable |
| 19:23.27 | r6ku | sid is currently on flames depending on what you have installed |
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| 19:24.15 | Eatuck | thanks guys for your help. sounds like I need to use stable to make sure packages rarely break |
| 19:24.17 | teclo- | sid broken ? depends a lot what package you have installed / are using |
| 19:24.32 | wsky | stallmen: stable is great and if you need something more up to day you can check backports out |
| 19:24.37 | teclo- | once in a while a package breaks, yes |
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| 19:25.23 | stallmen | teclo-: is it jusst a package breaking? or the whole os breaking |
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| 19:25.39 | wsky | stallmen: unsolved dependencies |
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| 19:25.46 | wsky | unsolvable even |
| 19:25.47 | stallmen | i could live with a package breaking |
| 19:25.48 | teclo- | stallmen: usually it is one package breaking, but it might affect the whole os |
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| 19:25.58 | stallmen | but ill get stable |
| 19:26.25 | teclo- | stallmen: if for instance, all networking is broken, once there's a fix, you need to install new package but, not using the network |
| 19:26.40 | teclo- | stallmen: many years ago keyboard support broke |
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| 19:26.54 | stallmen | yeah im def going to stable then |
| 19:26.55 | teclo- | because of Branden Robinson if I remember correctly |
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| 19:27.07 | teclo- | stallmen: testing might be useful, too |
| 19:27.26 | stallmen | what flavor of debian should I get |
| 19:27.28 | teclo- | stallmen: I'd say on a server, use stable, on desktops, use testing |
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| 19:28.00 | stallmen | why does debian break with new software |
| 19:28.05 | jmcnaught | i use stable on desktops, especially if i rely on that desktop working day to day |
| 19:28.07 | stallmen | but not windows or other distros |
| 19:28.27 | teclo- | heh |
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| 19:28.38 | teclo- | it doesn't break that often stallmen |
| 19:28.42 | jmcnaught | stallmen: testing and unstable are for development, stable does not break and is the release that is intended for end users or production |
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| 19:28.46 | teclo- | once in a while *one* package is broken |
| 19:29.00 | teclo- | and it's usually a few hours until there's a new version that fixes it |
| 19:29.01 | stallmen | is that the case with testing |
| 19:29.11 | stallmen | im getting testing then |
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| 19:29.15 | stallmen | is there a testing livecd |
| 19:29.31 | r6ku | stallmen: whatever you do, first install stable then upgrade to testing if you want to, that's the proper way to do it |
| 19:29.45 | stallmen | sounds painful |
| 19:29.52 | stallmen | how long would that take |
| 19:30.04 | x86iac | 45 days |
| 19:30.05 | jmcnaught | stallmen: testing breaks too.. the priority for testing is to have a platform for testing. also testing is the last to get security updates |
| 19:30.24 | x86iac | but still less then updating to windows `10 |
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| 19:31.55 | jmcnaught | stallmen: if you're new to debian it's best i think to start with stable. it's easier to learn when you're not on a moving platform. if something doesn't work on stable, it's less likely a bug or broken package than with testing or unstable |
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| 19:33.13 | teclo- | yeah I think jmcnaught is right |
| 19:33.30 | stallmen | thats complicated |
| 19:33.36 | teclo- | stick with stable |
| 19:34.06 | teclo- | when you can't get something to work in stable, most of the times it's *your* fault ;) |
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| 19:34.21 | stallmen | im going on testing then |
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| 19:34.26 | stallmen | nothing bad ever happens to me |
| 19:34.29 | jmcnaught | stallmen: just use stable, it's pretty awesome as it is and debian has a backports repo for newer versions of some packages. Once you get more comfortable with Debian you could consider testing/unstable if you really need that new shiny |
| 19:34.46 | stallmen | how do i need to get comfortable with it |
| 19:35.43 | stallmen | so if i get the stable one |
| 19:35.47 | stallmen | i can upgrade to testing? |
| 19:36.03 | stallmen | im going to do that |
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| 19:38.31 | jmcnaught | stallmen: upgrading from stable is the recommended way to get a testing system. I recommend you "get comfortable with" (learn) how debian works, especially the package system, before using testing so that you have a better chance of preventing/recovering from problems that will inevitably come up |
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| 19:39.06 | stallmen | why do i need to learn the package system |
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| 19:39.12 | stallmen | its just sudo apt-get package isnt it |
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| 19:39.26 | stallmen | and i can just man or google anything i need |
| 19:39.32 | jmcnaught | stallmen: https://debian-handbook.info/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html (along with man pages and /usr/share/doc/) |
| 19:40.05 | stallmen | thats more of a linux intro |
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| 19:40.33 | jmcnaught | stallmen: well it's up to you. if you don't want to learn the details of the package system i suppose you could rely on random advice from google and hope it's correct |
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| 19:41.44 | stallmen | why is debian so complicated |
| 19:42.10 | stallmen | whats so hard about the package system |
| 19:42.14 | jmcnaught | stallmen: i don't think it's complicated relative to other operating systems. operating systems are complex. |
| 19:42.25 | r6ku | Eatuck: any luck with pipelight? |
| 19:42.43 | stallmen | i think you're just trying to make it seem complicated |
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| 19:43.44 | jmcnaught | stallmen: no i'm trying to recommend you don't start with "hard mode", learn on the stable release that is actually intended for end-users, not the development releases that are prone to breaking (at least until you learn the OS a bit) |
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| 19:46.11 | stallmen | arent all distros the same |
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| 19:47.19 | jmcnaught | stallmen: heh there wouldn't be so many of them if they were all the same |
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| 19:49.14 | hstl | hi all! i installed completely pure debian starting with base system without desktop environment. To watch a video what should i install (already installed alsa-base, alsa-tools, alsa-utils, vlc)? |
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| 19:49.33 | hstl | vlc is installing now. should i install some codecs like in windows? |
| 19:49.41 | Eatuck | r6ku: nope |
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| 19:50.51 | Eatuck | broken dependencies in testing and unstable |
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| 19:54.18 | hexnewbie | hstl: mplayer can play videos without X. Perhaps mpv also can (since mplayer chokes on full HD on older PCs), or mplayer2 but I am not sure that's in Debian |
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| 19:56.19 | Eatuck | I think it has something to do with my nvidia drivers coming from experimental. Those were the only ones that work for my card. |
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| 19:57.52 | r6ku | Eatuck: that doesn't make any sense, were you able to pin down which packages were causing problems? |
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| 19:58.06 | Eatuck | wine-staging |
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| 19:58.41 | Eatuck | I know it doesn't make any sense but synaptic wants to install them to try to get pipe-light installed |
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| 19:58.54 | Eatuck | synaptic want to uninstall |
| 19:59.01 | Eatuck | *wants |
| 20:00.11 | Eatuck | pipelight-multi uses its own repository. that is probably the issue |
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| 20:02.09 | r6ku | have you updated your sources so you get i386 packages from debian repo? |
| 20:02.27 | stallmen | no |
| 20:02.32 | stallmen | why would i want i386 sources |
| 20:03.12 | Eatuck | thought we just use dpkg to add an architecture? |
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| 20:03.44 | Eatuck | was I suppose to do something to my sources list as well? |
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| 20:04.04 | r6ku | Eatuck: nono, just press reload in synaptic |
| 20:04.36 | hexnewbie | I have some recollection someone coming here a week ago and reporting inability to install wine-staging on 64 bit Debian due to it pulling 32 bit packages that caused mass-uninstallation. |
| 20:04.37 | Eatuck | ohh I did that after adding the architecture several months ago |
| 20:05.23 | Eatuck | I had that happen hexnewbie! |
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| 20:06.02 | Eatuck | well I didn't do it but it wants to uninstall weird packages |
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| 20:06.37 | Eatuck | such as uninstall my nvidia drivers and install the amd ones when I have an nvidia card |
| 20:06.52 | hexnewbie | OK, I found it, s/he traced it to this bug in Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787310 |
| 20:06.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787310 in perl-base (open): «perl-base: Dependency conflict on multiarch»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-31; last modified: 2015-07-10. |
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| 20:08.46 | Eatuck | so I guess we are waiting for a fix |
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| 20:17.27 | Eatuck | thank you all. got to log off |
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| 20:27.17 | zoidberg__ | aye |
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| 20:29.29 | DUKENUKEM | did GNOME really take out transparency for gnome-terminal?? thats the last piece to my badass setup! |
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| 20:32.27 | cra1g321 | plenty of other terminals :) |
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| 20:37.52 | hexnewbie | Is there some lightweight alternative to pavucontrol that I can use in addition to KMix? |
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| 20:38.24 | x86iac | no |
| 20:38.45 | x86iac | code it yourself? |
| 20:38.55 | x86iac | with just what you want |
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| 20:41.31 | hexnewbie | I would have better things to write. One would hope that a mixer would already exist... |
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| 21:55.51 | sact | hey, i'm trying to install debian from usb to laptop without optical drive but the install fails when the installer wants to detect and mount cd-rom / load installer components from cd. can i bypass that anyway? |
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| 22:01.21 | r6ku | no, you can't skip loading installer components |
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| 22:02.38 | r6ku | sact: which iso and program did you use to make the usb? |
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| 22:02.52 | wm4 | Removing systemd (224-1) ... |
| 22:02.54 | wm4 | systemd is the active init system, please switch to another before removing systemd. |
| 22:02.56 | wm4 | why does this not work? |
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| 22:04.28 | aswin | how to get terminal access of a bluetooth device in debian? |
| 22:04.34 | aswin | can anyone help me? |
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| 22:05.55 | sact | r6ku: i've tried various isos, 64 bit netinst, lxde , livelinux usb creator was used and it reported no issues |
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| 22:09.07 | r6ku | sact: are you trying to install debian on your computer or a usb stick? |
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| 22:12.35 | lurker | greetings all |
| 22:13.10 | r6ku | sact: use a torrent to download the netisnt image and verify the file to make sure it's okay, use this to write the iso on the usb stick instead https://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
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| 22:13.41 | r6ku | sact: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
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| 22:17.03 | aswin | how to get terminal access of a bluetooth device in debian? |
| 22:17.25 | ilken | Who Am I ? http://whoami.ytmnd.com/ ( SFW ) |
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| 22:20.22 | jmcnaught | sact: if that rufus program doesn't work for preparing the USB stick, win32diskimager is the one usually recommended here if you're on windows. unetbootin (a similar tool) is known to cause problems. |
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| 22:26.51 | dvs | giggles at jmcnaught and says "rufus" |
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| 22:33.01 | jmcnaught | dvs: heh it is a funny word. i've never heard of that program, not sure if it would have the same subtle problems that unetbootin does |
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| 22:34.41 | negator_prime | o/ |
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| 22:45.48 | devslash | I have 2 drives in a raid0 with Windows 8 and another dive with Debian. I want to add windows to the grub boot loader. How do I add it |
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| 22:57.03 | aswin | hi while trying to get terminal access of bluetooth I am getting an error |
| 22:57.23 | aswin | rfcomm gives missing dev parameters error |
| 22:57.40 | aswin | I am asking the same question for 3 days |
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| 22:57.55 | aswin | no answer from anyone |
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| 22:58.05 | aswin | please help me |
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| 23:00.04 | jelly | aswin: try asking in the debian-user mailing list as well, if you haven't already |
| 23:00.17 | jelly | !ask |
| 23:00.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:00.34 | jelly | ^^ the address above |
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| 23:01.59 | nullito | hia, i can't startx i have only shell and at moment using emacs erc to irc #debian |
| 23:02.04 | nullito | anyone can help :S |
| 23:02.58 | r6ku | nullito: install xorg |
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| 23:03.41 | nullito | i think i broke that on dist-upgrade |
| 23:04.01 | c0fe | what is a good web based GUI to look at the resource usage? |
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| 23:04.18 | r6ku | nullito: you're on sid? |
| 23:04.30 | nullito | jessie |
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| 23:04.52 | hal14450 | grep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:05.28 | aswin | I am trying to get the terminal access of a bluetooth device(HC-06). I have pybluez installed on my system. by running scitool scan I can find the device. Then I paired the device. But after the paring connection last only for 2 sec. I tried to access the device through rfcomm. but rfcomm gives an error "Missing dev parameter". |
| 23:06.01 | aswin | Then I tried udo rfcomm connect hci0 20:15:02:27:08:29 |
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| 23:06.35 | aswin | it gives an error "Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused" |
| 23:06.43 | aswin | I am stuck with this |
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| 23:07.18 | nullito | error (NI)not implemented |
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| 23:20.33 | tXambe | #Gr2Dest |
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| 23:42.32 | sact | r6ku: thank you, rufus and that netinst-version seemed to do the trick |
| 23:43.10 | r6ku | sact: I'm glad it worked out for you |
| 23:43.31 | holiday | I installed Debian with the net install image, and it appears that I don't have alsa. How do I change the volume? |
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| 23:45.09 | rabbitear | Happy Debian Day!! |
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| 23:48.26 | SolarNRG | happy debian day to you too! |
| 23:48.33 | SolarNRG | death to microsoft |
| 23:49.01 | rabbitear | I agree! |
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| 23:51.27 | rselon | wait, debian day? |
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| 23:57.20 | ilken | Windows 10 will ruin Microsoft in the court of public opinion |
| 23:57.33 | ilken | Dell ships Ubuntu now |
| 23:57.37 | ilken | Android ftw |
| 23:57.48 | ilken | Death To Microsoft |
| 23:58.08 | ilken | installs gentoo |
| 23:58.25 | ilken | compile fails |
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| 23:58.34 | ilken | "known bug" |
| 23:58.37 | ilken | Thanks Obama |
| 23:58.44 | v | lol |
| 23:59.12 | v | debian is better than windows |
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| 23:59.30 | v | but we still need autocad matlab etc |
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