| 00:00.30 | srvk | How can I configure apt to never prompt me if I want to continue an install/update when a package's signature cannot be verified, and instead just warn me and abort? |
| 00:00.40 | ilken | my gf just got an old win 7 acer aspire....i spent TWO DAYS, "2" ENTIRE days trying to get Windows 7 to work, ....Windows Update failed, errors, fighting with Macafee, .... Oh My God |
| 00:00.54 | ilken | its on Wheezy now |
| 00:01.05 | internat | good choice |
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| 00:02.57 | srvk | And I also want to know why these warnings show up form time to time on my systems, is it mitm always? |
| 00:03.33 | wsky | srvk: IMPORT REPOSITORY KEYS |
| 00:03.38 | wsky | oops caps |
| 00:03.59 | srvk | don;t those come preinstalled? |
| 00:04.10 | wsky | not for non-default repos |
| 00:04.21 | srvk | oh I just use default repos |
| 00:04.30 | srvk | these are warnings that I get maybe once every couple of months |
| 00:04.34 | wsky | then it's odd, try changing your repo servers |
| 00:04.42 | srvk | and I've seen them happen on the university campus too |
| 00:04.55 | srvk | nd that's what I do when they show up, I change the repo |
| 00:05.15 | srvk | but I don;t likw that if I accidentally ytpe 'y' into the terminal I might install malware |
| 00:05.18 | wsky | then you should not install the packages when it shows up |
| 00:05.29 | wsky | yoou;re putting yourself at risk |
| 00:05.31 | wsky | bbl |
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| 00:17.58 | warsoul | hi |
| 00:18.05 | warsoul | im trying to donwload debian image |
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| 00:18.20 | warsoul | but i see amd64 arm64 etc. |
| 00:18.26 | warsoul | wich i should download |
| 00:18.52 | srvk | What kind of computer do you have warsoul? |
| 00:18.58 | cologate | if your computer is 64-bits, and is a laptop or a desktop, probably amd64 |
| 00:19.00 | srvk | Most are amd64. |
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| 00:19.16 | cologate | if it's a laptop or a desktop but is before about 2005, try i386 |
| 00:19.46 | warsoul | cologate is a macbookpro i will run it with virtualbox |
| 00:19.55 | cologate | you'll probably want 64-bit |
| 00:21.55 | warsoul | cologate i see netinst full cd sets cd etc. |
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| 00:24.50 | hoosteen | Hey everyone, hows it going? |
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| 00:26.22 | hoosteen | is anyone here familiar with setting up a L2TP/IPSec VPN in debian? |
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| 00:27.16 | cologate | warsoul, netinst requires internet connection, and is sort of sluggish |
| 00:27.34 | cologate | if you have slow internet that is, but it's smaller than downloading DVD sets |
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| 00:28.20 | maazu | hoosteen: hi |
| 00:28.43 | hoosteen | maazu: hey |
| 00:28.55 | maazu | how is today? |
| 00:29.06 | hoosteen | Pretty good, and you? |
| 00:29.30 | maazu | today is good day |
| 00:29.32 | cologate | if your VM won't have internet access, you'll probably want the CD set, warsoul |
| 00:29.49 | warsoul | cologate i have 100mbps connection |
| 00:30.21 | cologate | then I would use the netisnt ones |
| 00:30.32 | warsoul | i see it has like 7 cds |
| 00:30.37 | warsoul | on full cd sets |
| 00:30.46 | hoosteen | maazu: Would you happen to have any experience setting up a VPN server in linux? I'm trying to set up a server and I can't seem to connect to it |
| 00:30.56 | cologate | if you want to install debian stable, try https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:31.17 | maazu | hoosteen: i use the-onion-router network for my p0rn |
| 00:31.35 | maazu | hoosteen: yes, i am experienced ;) |
| 00:32.31 | warsoul | cologate if i donwload via netinst i will be able to run it via virtual box |
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| 00:33.03 | cologate | yes, if virtualbox has networking |
| 00:34.10 | hoosteen | maazu: I've been following a couple of guides and I think i've set it up correctly but I can't connect to the server. I installed xl2tpd and openswan and I forwarded UDP ports 500 and 4500, and TCP 1701 but my windows machine won't connect. When check if the ports are open with an online tool, it says they're closed so there seems to be an issue getting through to the server. |
| 00:34.39 | hoosteen | Do I have to manually allow those ports through the firewall with iptables or does that happen automaticlly |
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| 00:35.13 | maazu | hoosteen: not sure about windows, i do my browsing via Jessie |
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| 00:35.47 | hoosteen | maazu: I could try to connect with my android phone and see what type of error I get |
| 00:35.59 | maazu | hoosteen: and i use KDE 4, setup networking proxy to port 9050 which is where TOR is expecting |
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| 00:36.50 | maazu | hoosteen: can try tcpdump -i eth0 on your server side and then have android phone to ping that ip |
| 00:36.53 | iWaldo | any suggestions for a display manager to use with i3? |
| 00:37.24 | iWaldo | lightdm/slim preference or any other ideas? |
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| 00:41.30 | hoosteen | maazu: okay, it seems like I can't even access the internet on this machine |
| 00:41.51 | hoosteen | maazu: I'm still getting to know my way around linux |
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| 00:43.44 | maazu | hoosteen: i'll be here if you need me :) |
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| 00:44.55 | hoosteen | maazu: I was messing with iptables so Im gonna see if I can restart and see what happens |
| 00:45.38 | maazu | hoosteen: cool |
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| 00:49.14 | detergnet | iWaldo: nodm |
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| 00:57.42 | hoosteen | maazu: Okay, I've got internet connection back up. What should I be looking for in tcpdump? Is there a way to limit it to certian ports? It's updating way too fast with traffic from other devices on my network |
| 00:58.28 | maazu | start with other pinging this machine |
| 00:58.41 | maazu | this machine have tcpdump -i eth0 |
| 00:59.04 | maazu | see anything? |
| 00:59.29 | hoosteen | maazu: I pinged with a machine on the local network and I can see the ping response on tcpdump |
| 00:59.43 | maazu | good |
| 00:59.55 | maazu | you have connection |
| 01:00.14 | maazu | can you nmap this machine to see open ports |
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| 01:00.54 | warsoul | cologate what desktop enviroment should i install |
| 01:00.56 | warsoul | gnome? |
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| 01:02.57 | cologate | warsoul, try out xfce |
| 01:03.55 | hoosteen | maazu: I just cheked netstat and I see listings that have port 500 and 4500 |
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| 01:04.52 | maazu | hoosteen: can i nmap your machine? |
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| 01:06.17 | llemma | I'm curious why Debian's still on e17. Is something in newer version blocking? |
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| 01:06.54 | llemma | even sid's the same |
| 01:07.02 | warsoul | cologate what desktop enviroment should i install |
| 01:07.03 | warsoul | gnome? |
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| 01:11.25 | cologate | warsoul, I said xfce |
| 01:12.19 | llemma | ...speaking of de's? |
| 01:12.34 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 01:13.00 | cologate | llemma, yes |
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| 01:14.36 | warsoul | cologate select and install software has a failure |
| 01:15.36 | cologate | I'm not sure what that means, warsoul |
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| 01:16.37 | warsoul | installation step failed |
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| 01:18.56 | cologate | you'll have to try it again, I suppose |
| 01:19.03 | beco | warsoul, with a 100mbps and a mac pro, i think you can chose a nice desktop, like KDE. I mean: you are not restricted by hardware. Its a matter of taste, really. Give them all a try. |
| 01:19.08 | cologate | it's been a while since I've actually installed debian, sorry |
| 01:19.26 | cologate | beco, I recommended him xfce because he's running it in a VM |
| 01:19.50 | beco | cologate, I see. XFCE would be faster. |
| 01:20.07 | beco | warsoul, what processor / memory ? |
| 01:20.24 | warsoul | i finished my installation |
| 01:20.39 | warsoul | but it opens in a shell |
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| 01:20.46 | warsoul | how can i open the desktop |
| 01:20.47 | holiday | How do I get alsa to work? It didn't come installed with the net image, so I manually installed it. Rebooted. However sound is still not avaliable. |
| 01:22.54 | beco | warsoul, I ask because even that I run debian here in a DELL 8GB RAM, proc. i5, I have also some VMs and I run slackware with KDE very easily as VM. |
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| 01:23.43 | beco | warsoul, type startx to start desktop |
| 01:23.47 | warsoul | beco i have a macbookpro i7 8gb ram |
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| 01:24.50 | beco | warsoul, you are good to go. You can run 3 simultaneous KDE plus 1 gnome in this machine. |
| 01:24.51 | llemma | steam is defo off and on :-/ |
| 01:25.34 | llemma | I have an i7 with 12gb ram. Just how many people can this machine serve? :-) |
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| 01:25.59 | beco | llemma, off the charts |
| 01:26.30 | llemma | the only systems ive dealt with this big before were part of prod fleets |
| 01:27.06 | llemma | ram kits don't come in modestly sized triple channel portions any more |
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| 01:28.18 | beco | llemma, triple channel is something I still want to have. But not in the near future. |
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| 01:28.52 | llemma | It was a hot gaming mobo 5 years ago |
| 01:29.19 | llemma | But the funny thing is, it's still a great machine now. Kinda like how old sports cars are still great cars, |
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| 01:30.26 | warsoul | beco startx command not found |
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| 01:30.40 | beco | My DELL is dying soon. I was looking for notebooks this week. Prices here went too much up. I'll be glad to have a i7 8G. But for now, I just want my nb to keep alive a little bit more time. |
| 01:31.44 | beco | warsoul, did you chose a DE during instalation? Was it XFCE as cologate advised, or something else? |
| 01:31.55 | warsoul | beco no i didnt |
| 01:32.08 | warsoul | how can i install it |
| 01:32.21 | beco | warsoul, now there you go. :) Just try apt-get |
| 01:32.31 | warsoul | ? |
| 01:32.36 | warsoul | apt-get * |
| 01:32.41 | warsoul | ? |
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| 01:33.01 | beco | warsoul, sudo apt-get install <something> |
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| 01:33.16 | warsoul | beco yeah but what i should install |
| 01:33.37 | beco | what do you like to install? I would suggest: sudo apt-get install kde |
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| 01:33.51 | babilen | dpkg: install gnome |
| 01:33.51 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 01:34.29 | babilen | warsoul: You might want to consider other desktop environments than the default (gnome) such as xfce, kde or lxde. Ask the bot about it with "/msg dpkg xfce" (for example) |
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| 01:34.44 | stallmen | guys |
| 01:34.48 | stallmen | debian broke everything |
| 01:34.49 | babilen | If you go for gnome, I'd use "gnome-core" |
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| 01:34.57 | stallmen | i installed it |
| 01:35.04 | llemma | apt-get install wm2; my-life-is-now-complete |
| 01:35.05 | stallmen | and it made its own bootloader(WTH) |
| 01:35.14 | stallmen | and it put my other distro on the list |
| 01:35.14 | warsoul | sudo command not found |
| 01:35.16 | stallmen | but it wont work |
| 01:35.20 | stallmen | so its broken |
| 01:35.27 | babilen | warsoul: Did you install and configure sudo? |
| 01:35.30 | stallmen | how am i supposed to do this |
| 01:35.36 | beco | warsoul, try su instead of sudo |
| 01:35.42 | stallmen | babilen: yes i used the xfce live cd usb installer |
| 01:35.42 | warsoul | babilen nope |
| 01:36.11 | stallmen | can anybody help me |
| 01:36.21 | stallmen | how am i suppsosed to fix this |
| 01:36.27 | stallmen | it wont boot my other distro |
| 01:36.33 | stallmen | it broke it |
| 01:36.34 | beco | warsoul, just "su" and hit enter key. Password, and now you would be root. install the desktop environment of your choice. also install sudo. |
| 01:36.40 | babilen | warsoul: Okay, you probably want to become root with "su", then install sudo and add your user to the sudo group with "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo". Relogin after that and you can use sudo. |
| 01:36.55 | stallmen | babilen: but my problem is my other distro wont boot |
| 01:37.24 | stallmen | nobody is helping me |
| 01:37.49 | themill | stallmen: sounds like a problem for your other distro to help with |
| 01:38.14 | rabbitear | stallmen: asking the wrong questions? |
| 01:38.18 | babilen | warsoul: You can, naturally, work as root until then and simply install packages from there. |
| 01:38.38 | stallmen | themill: how |
| 01:38.45 | stallmen | my distro worked 100000% fine |
| 01:38.47 | themill | stallmen: you'd ask them... |
| 01:38.56 | stallmen | then i installed debian |
| 01:38.57 | llemma | hey stallmen did you get your install working |
| 01:39.01 | stallmen | it made its own friggin bootloader |
| 01:39.05 | beco | stallmen, I tryed to read your question, but its split in so many lines I lost the context during other talks. |
| 01:39.07 | stallmen | instead of using the one i already had |
| 01:39.11 | themill | stallmen: only because you told it to |
| 01:39.39 | stallmen | beco: I intsalled debian. My old distro is in the menu list, but it wont work!!! |
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| 01:39.57 | warsoul | after i install kde or gnome |
| 01:40.01 | internat | define wont wokr |
| 01:40.02 | warsoul | who i start de desktop |
| 01:40.03 | internat | gives an error? |
| 01:40.07 | internat | says all your data is destoryed |
| 01:40.10 | internat | plays kitten songs? |
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| 01:40.20 | beco | stallmen, whats the message error? |
| 01:40.22 | stallmen | internat: I don't know. It just stops loading all the stuff. |
| 01:40.27 | stallmen | It says something about a kthread |
| 01:40.33 | stallmen | but thats not the last thing it says |
| 01:40.40 | stallmen | but actually |
| 01:40.50 | themill | stallmen: less with the enter key, more with the details. |
| 01:40.54 | stallmen | In the menulist it has a really version of my distro |
| 01:40.56 | internat | well.. the key to fixing it, is going to be knowing exactly what the messages are |
| 01:41.02 | stallmen | so it doesnt have my latest one |
| 01:41.07 | babilen | warsoul: You would, typically, do that by starting the display manager. In the case of gnome it would be gdm3 and started with "systemctl start gdm.service" |
| 01:41.48 | warsoul | babilen i have to type that on the shell |
| 01:41.59 | warsoul | systemctl startgdm.service |
| 01:42.12 | beco | stallmen, is debian booting ok? do you have more distros/OS or just this 2? |
| 01:42.24 | stallmen | only these 2 distros |
| 01:42.27 | stallmen | Ok it says distro 2.0 when it should say 4.0 in the menulist |
| 01:42.30 | babilen | warsoul: The display manager would also be started automagically when the system starts, but yeah, that command would be entered on the console. |
| 01:42.50 | stallmen | Debian is booting ok but it has an error about fsck |
| 01:42.51 | babilen | warsoul: Please note the space between "start" and "gdm.service" |
| 01:43.35 | llemma | Do GDM or KDM have any special advantages if you're not using those env's? |
| 01:44.22 | beco | stallmen, what is the other distro? Can you boot to it using old boot configuration? (grub/lilo/whatever you have as backup) |
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| 01:44.50 | stallmen | I dont know if I can boot it using the old boot configuration |
| 01:45.22 | stallmen | Debian installed its own separate bootloader |
| 01:45.48 | stallmen | I think it would boot though |
| 01:45.59 | beco | stallmen, if I was in your shoes now, I would try to mount the other partition try to figure out what the boot command is, configure my new bootloader (grub/lilo/whatever you have) and try again. |
| 01:46.39 | llemma | Is this a work system or something? Just install whatever and screw around with it and then try something else if you don't enjoy it.l |
| 01:47.01 | stallmen | yeah but i cant get into my old distro |
| 01:47.12 | llemma | Keep doing that and you'll end up knowing what's what for YOUR needs |
| 01:47.16 | stallmen | i already installed what i enjoyed(my old distro) |
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| 01:47.55 | beco | stallmen, boot debian, try to mount it |
| 01:48.10 | stallmen | i think it would work |
| 01:48.20 | stallmen | its just a bootloader problem |
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| 01:48.52 | stallmen | how would i take out debians bootloader |
| 01:49.08 | beco | what bootloader are you using with debian? |
| 01:49.15 | stallmen | grub |
| 01:49.20 | stallmen | grub on the other distro too |
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| 01:49.42 | beco | you cant take out a bootloader. What you can is substitute it for other |
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| 01:50.00 | beco | both being grub, I don't see the point of trying to get rid of it |
| 01:50.21 | babilen | stallmen: Install the bootloader from the other distribution. Either way, read "/msg dpkg fixmbr" and work on the problem. Start by actually asking detailed and precise questions in which you provide as many details about the issue as possible. |
| 01:50.42 | beco | just configure it... search a bit for grub commands to reinstall and autodetect |
| 01:50.51 | stallmen | How do i substite a bootloader |
| 01:51.29 | stallmen | would fixing this be as simple as copying and pasting a menuentry from one grub.cfg to another |
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| 01:53.28 | beco | update-grub is better option, but you can use old menuentry if you follow some steps and understand what is behind editing manually a config file (which I believe is not your case) |
| 01:54.12 | stallmen | That is not my case |
| 01:54.23 | babilen | ... |
| 01:55.59 | beco | I would avoid editing files manually.Try update-grub and see what happens, and report here with useful details |
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| 01:56.21 | Equa | stallmen: use a boot disk utility and boot into your old os. then reinstall grub from there |
| 01:57.10 | stallmen | sounds painful |
| 01:57.20 | Equa | hire someone else to do it for you i guess |
| 01:57.22 | beco | or that what Equa told. If you don't have a disk utility or a disk boot, try the CD you used to install your other distro |
| 01:58.32 | stallmen | This might sound dumb |
| 01:58.48 | stallmen | an update-grub and it said it found my other distro release 2.2 |
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| 01:59.16 | stallmen | and thats not right |
| 01:59.34 | Equa | reboot and try it. it might be teh wrong label but correct os |
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| 01:59.47 | stallmen | its the same label as last time |
| 01:59.57 | stallmen | It's the wrong version |
| 02:00.06 | beco | I bet your problem is solved already. |
| 02:00.14 | stallmen | ok ill try |
| 02:00.19 | Equa | he rather rant than try to fix it |
| 02:00.46 | rabbitear | happens all the time |
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| 02:02.41 | stallmen | guys it worked |
| 02:02.49 | Equa | congrats |
| 02:02.51 | rabbitear | \o/ |
| 02:02.51 | stallmen | I clicked the advanced distro submenu and it had the right version |
| 02:02.53 | beco | Another happy costumer. |
| 02:03.08 | rabbitear | has a beer. |
| 02:03.20 | babilen | .. this was so unnecessary |
| 02:03.20 | negator_prime | (°_°) |
| 02:03.35 | negator_prime | an irc actually helped someone ? |
| 02:03.44 | negator_prime | im out of touch >.> |
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| 02:03.47 | beco | lol, negator_prime |
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| 02:05.30 | beco | \o/ beer, cheers: UD |
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| 02:06.32 | stallmen | If I uninstall debian will this distro's bootloader work |
| 02:06.57 | rabbitear | stallmen: most likely |
| 02:07.04 | beco | Sure. But you lose the right to ask things here. :) |
| 02:07.11 | stallmen | I might reinstall it |
| 02:07.14 | stallmen | but a minimal version |
| 02:07.40 | beco | Just be aware if it says something like "uninstall grub". You don't want to do that. |
| 02:07.54 | stallmen | why |
| 02:07.57 | stallmen | where would it say that |
| 02:08.05 | stallmen | oh |
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| 02:08.21 | beco | Its some time I uninstall it, so I can't really recall if it will ask that or not |
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| 02:14.28 | llemma | stallmen: You kinda seem like a troll... |
| 02:15.03 | llemma | dumps some vodka into a glass and hands it to "stallmen: |
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| 02:16.31 | stallmen | I've always been called a troll |
| 02:16.36 | stallmen | even when I first started irc |
| 02:17.04 | llemma | well you've got some "gentoo" thing on you |
| 02:17.14 | stallmen | yeah |
| 02:17.16 | stallmen | thats my distro |
| 02:17.23 | stallmen | if you did that earlier |
| 02:17.25 | llemma | have you ever met stallman in person? |
| 02:17.27 | stallmen | it would've been debian |
| 02:17.42 | stallmen | no |
| 02:18.03 | llemma | debian is awesome but it's pretty frustrating in a lot of use cases |
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| 02:19.08 | llemma | debian is an excellent base for standards. get used to debian, and it's hard to tolerate a lot of other garbage |
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| 02:28.56 | thomasross | My audio is broken |
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| 02:29.37 | thomasross | I have no idea why, whenever I hit the mute button on my keyboard it would do something to alsa and i would have to manually fix it with `sudo alsactl init`, but now that doesn't work. |
| 02:29.47 | thomasross | I've tried restarting pulseaudio, didn't work |
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| 02:32.20 | thomasross | ok i figured it out |
| 02:32.30 | thomasross | it was using my hdmi out (which isnt plugged in) |
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| 02:37.14 | mitlik | Is there a way to define removable block devices in fstab that doesn't cause systemd to freak out? |
| 02:39.33 | themill | mitlik: why would having removable devices in fstab make systemd freak out? |
| 02:40.43 | babilen | Might have to specify "nofail", but apart from that ... |
| 02:40.51 | themill | or noauto |
| 02:41.04 | babilen | yeah |
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| 02:41.40 | mitlik | OK, maybe that was my problem. |
| 02:42.03 | mitlik | I recall removing the entries because systemd was complaining. It was a while ago though. |
| 02:42.17 | mitlik | And here I was, going back to re-add the lines to make mount faster >_> |
| 02:42.29 | babilen | mitlik: Read up on noauto/nofail in systemd.mount(5) |
| 02:43.04 | babilen | There might be other options that are relevant, but those are the ones that come to mind |
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| 02:43.06 | themill | or in fstab(5) (all that has happened is that the error gets reported as an error rather than a warning) |
| 02:43.30 | mitlik | Will do. Thank you both. |
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| 02:44.48 | mitlik | Hah, yeah, auto was set in fstab. man systemd.mount makes clear the folly of that. |
| 02:45.05 | babilen | +1 |
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| 03:02.27 | telmac | I'm on a laptop, currently at boot it tries to connect to my home network and if it cannot it will sit there indefinitely |
| 03:02.57 | telmac | how can I change it so that it only tries to connect to that network if it's available |
| 03:03.06 | telmac | or above a certain % of strength or some such |
| 03:03.38 | telmac | and anyway to have connecting to a wireless network not stop boot |
| 03:05.44 | negator_prime | systemd ? |
| 03:06.28 | telmac | not sure what the question is |
| 03:06.41 | telmac | am I using it? as far as I know |
| 03:06.52 | telmac | it's the default for debian stable now, isn't it? |
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| 03:08.02 | negator_prime | My apologies, i was not paying attention. |
| 03:09.32 | telmac | so uh |
| 03:09.33 | thomasross | You're supposed to use systemctl instead of service now, right? |
| 03:09.36 | telmac | what can I do about this |
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| 03:17.17 | jmcnaught | telmac: did you configure your wifi in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 03:18.04 | telmac | yes |
| 03:18.04 | jmcnaught | thomasross: i think the old service command still works, but the systemctl is the "native" systemd command |
| 03:18.12 | warsoul | witch is the best irc client for debian? |
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| 03:18.52 | jmcnaught | telmac: that would be why it is doing this. you could remove the stanza for your wifi from interfaces and use network-manager so you can select different networks in your DE more easily |
| 03:19.10 | telmac | what is network-manager |
| 03:19.27 | telmac | and is it used for the same purpose as, or concurrently with wicd? |
| 03:19.43 | jmcnaught | telmac: yeah it's like wicd |
| 03:20.15 | telmac | but for example if I commented out or removed that portion of /etc/network/interfaces I could use wicd alone? |
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| 03:20.44 | jmcnaught | telmac: that sounds correct to me, however i'm not that familiar with wicd because i use network-manager |
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| 03:21.59 | telmac | how can I get it to connect automatically if it's available etc? |
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| 03:23.09 | jmcnaught | telmac: networkmanager takes care of that for me, presumably wicd can do the same. networkmanager will only manage interfaces not listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:23.38 | warsoul | witch is the best irc client for debian? |
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| 03:25.14 | jmcnaught | warsoul: there are several available, irssi is my favourite. xchat, hexchat are two popular choices. it depends on what you're looking for, if you want it to be integrated with a specific desktop environment etc |
| 03:25.44 | himiko_ | hi everyone |
| 03:26.31 | monkwitdafunk | i plan on installing all packages on dvd 1, 2, and three. which irc clients will i have? |
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| 03:26.46 | telmac | why |
| 03:26.56 | monkwitdafunk | i also want to use debian as an alarm |
| 03:27.51 | telmac | jmcnaught: but like on boot or if it were asleep and just woke up, it connect automatically? |
| 03:28.31 | telmac | *connects |
| 03:28.59 | himiko_ | I installed the nvidia drivers, and now no sound device is being recognised. I am on debian jessie, installed the nvidia drivers through smxi, and I believe that uses the .run from nvidia since it was downloading it from what I read in TTY1. I can't change volume, no sound devices in settings, and applications don't recognise any audio device either. I looked around and apparently I need to update sound drivers, but my mobo manufacturer |
| 03:29.00 | himiko_ | doesn't have linux drivers on the DL page. is there something I can do before removing nvidia drivers? |
| 03:29.36 | jmcnaught | telmac: for me with networkmanager, it connects automatically at boot, resume etc, to any network i have previously connected to. if it's not easy to get that going in wicd, i would consider switching. |
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| 03:30.36 | jmcnaught | himiko_: installing drivers using the script from nvidia's website can cause problems. was sound working before you did this? |
| 03:30.57 | himiko_ | yes sound was working perfectly fine before this |
| 03:31.21 | telmac | jmcnaught: well what configuration did you do to get that going |
| 03:31.30 | himiko_ | also, I had tried installing nvidia-current from repos, and it didn't work. also tried nvidia-310 and 313 I believe, neither worked |
| 03:31.52 | jmcnaught | himiko_: Debian has packages that can install the proprietary nvidia drivers so they're integrated properly with the package system. The instructions are here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:32.34 | himiko_ | I tried that and it did not work |
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| 03:32.59 | himiko_ | should I purge nvidia and try again jmcnaught? |
| 03:33.05 | jmcnaught | himiko_: generally after installing the packages you also need to update xorg.conf, but it's all there on that wiki page. there is also a nvidia-installer-cleanup package that can help you remove the mess made by the nvidia script |
| 03:33.36 | jmcnaught | himiko_: if you installed nvidia drivers using smxi or the installer script, apt is not able to remove them. this is why the debian packages are preferred |
| 03:33.49 | himiko_ | okay, thanks |
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| 03:34.17 | jmcnaught | telmac: nothing special, i just installed debian with the default gnome. it works out of the box as long as your wifi driver doesn't need any special attention |
| 03:34.55 | jmcnaught | telmac: your wifi seems to be working, so to get a setup like mine you just need to 1. remove wifi from interfaces file 2. use network-manager |
| 03:36.01 | SolarNRG | why not just be happy with ethernet? |
| 03:36.47 | telmac | jmcnaught: I don't use gnome and have limited specs etc |
| 03:36.52 | telmac | cheap laptot |
| 03:38.11 | telmac | so wicd has a thing for "automatically connect", I'll reboot in a bit to see if that works |
| 03:38.27 | jmcnaught | telmac: you might be able to use nm-applet in another on a different DE (it's in the network-manager-gnome package). Or if you want to keep using wicd, you could try commenting out wlan0 in interfaces and refer to wicd documentation |
| 03:39.02 | telmac | I just removed it in etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:39.11 | telmac | I'm going to reboot right now |
| 03:39.20 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, so that nvidia-installer-cleanup package will remove the stuff I have? or will I have to reinstall. because I was told smxi is the way to go for debian |
| 03:39.31 | himiko_ | i mean reinstall debian* |
| 03:41.44 | jmcnaught | himiko_: If smxi was the way to go for debian, it would be included. I don't know very much about nvidia-installer-cleanup besides that it exists, you may need to check its docs or wait for someone who knows more about it. |
| 03:41.52 | himiko_ | ok |
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| 03:43.14 | jmcnaught | himiko_: note that debian won't have the most recent version of the nvidia drivers. If you have a card that just came out that isn't supported by any debian packages available you might actually need to use the script (although i'd recommend using the nouveau drivers installed by default in that case) |
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| 03:43.58 | himiko_ | I have a gtx 760 so I think they'd have it |
| 03:44.00 | SolarNRG | I think there should be a dedicated room for debian graphics card issues |
| 03:44.19 | telmac | jmcnaught: so on reboot it got to the point where before it was connecting to the network before and sat there |
| 03:44.30 | SolarNRG | call it #debian-gpu or something |
| 03:44.31 | jmcnaught | this channel is almost 50% proprietary gpu driver issues |
| 03:44.34 | telmac | it seems that it completed boot because when I hit enter I just got a login prompt |
| 03:45.23 | himiko_ | I don't understand why there are so many problems with it. it scrwed up a couple of linux installs in the past on this pc. i gave up pretty much |
| 03:45.24 | jmcnaught | telmac: is it wicd configuring the network at boot? or is your wifi still defined in interfaces? |
| 03:45.43 | telmac | it is no longer in interfaces |
| 03:45.53 | telmac | like, it got to the point /before/ it |
| 03:46.06 | himiko_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/207484/remove-proprietary-nvidia-drivers will try this now. |
| 03:46.20 | telmac | and then printed nothing more and did not complete the regular boot thing |
| 03:47.05 | jmcnaught | himiko_: it's complicated becaue nvidia doesn't release the source to their drivers, unlike pretty much all the other software in debian. still the instructions on the wiki page i linked to do work |
| 03:47.21 | jmcnaught | telmac: normally does it launch a graphical login? |
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| 03:47.35 | jmcnaught | telmac: you could check the logs. are you on wheezy, jessie, something else? |
| 03:47.48 | telmac | no, it normally finishes the boot thing and then a text login |
| 03:47.50 | telmac | I |
| 03:47.55 | telmac | 'm on jessie |
| 03:48.37 | telmac | which logs would I check? |
| 03:48.58 | jmcnaught | telmac: "journalctl -b 0" to see the logs for the current boot |
| 03:50.21 | telmac | where in it |
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| 03:53.27 | jmcnaught | telmac: actually an easier way is "systemd-analyze blame" |
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| 03:54.00 | jmcnaught | telmac: that'll show you a list of all the systemd units that were started at boot sorted by how long they took, so the long one should be at the top |
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| 03:54.59 | telmac | I don't know it's that it took too long or that it disturbed the boot process |
| 03:55.25 | monkwitdafunk | is secure boot well documented by debian gnu linux? |
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| 03:56.17 | jmcnaught | telmac: did you try that command? did you change anything other than /etc/network/interfaces since the last boot? |
| 03:57.46 | telmac | I commented out the section for wifi |
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| 03:58.37 | jmcnaught | monkwitdafunk: it's mentioned in the install docs here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s06.html.en#UEFI |
| 03:58.40 | Rusty1 | monkwitdafunk: what if it was not? |
| 03:58.46 | telmac | anyway nothing there looks like it could be responsible for what happened |
| 03:58.56 | telmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.56 | telmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.56 | telmac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.10 | telmac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.07 | jmcnaught | telmac: so you had to hit enter before you got a login prompt on the virtual console? Are you not using a graphical display manager? |
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| 04:06.34 | telmac | I got boot messages up to 8 seconds, then it stalled |
| 04:06.47 | himiko__ | lol I have no idea jmcnaught. I'm just going to wipe this partition and start all over. bummer |
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| 04:06.50 | telmac | I waited a while, tried ^C, then hit enter |
| 04:06.57 | telmac | and got a login prompt |
| 04:07.25 | telmac | on a normal login I get a text login prompt, if that's what you're asking |
| 04:09.20 | jmcnaught | himiko_: that sucks. that nvidia-installer-cleanup package didn't work for you? |
| 04:09.43 | himiko_ | i tried installing it but there was no package found |
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| 04:10.09 | himiko_ | so I used that link I sent, http://askubuntu.com/questions/219942/how-to-uninstall-manually-installed-nvidia-drivers , and then sgfxi -n, no avail |
| 04:10.20 | jmcnaught | telmac: yeah that's what i meant. so do you normally use "startx" to run X? |
| 04:10.27 | himiko_ | now desktop isn't loading lol, just has the _ flashing in the top right corner |
| 04:10.52 | himiko_ | TTY1 works though |
| 04:11.31 | jmcnaught | himiko_: is there anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 04:12.24 | himiko_ | I did nano xorg.conf and yes there is a bunch of stuff there |
| 04:13.32 | himiko_ | nano xorg.conf.d brings up nothing though, "New File" |
| 04:14.05 | telmac | yes |
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| 04:14.46 | jmcnaught | himiko_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is a directory where you can put fragments that get added to xorg.conf, so you just need to check if the directory is empty |
| 04:16.03 | jmcnaught | himiko_: you can also check to see if any modules are blacklisted, look for files in /etc/modprobe.d/ containing "blacklist" lines that might be nvidia related |
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| 04:18.41 | jmcnaught | himiko_: "blacklist nouveau" is what to look for |
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| 04:19.58 | arahael | How I copy text from xterm, without a mouse? |
| 04:20.12 | arahael | I happen to be using tmux as well, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. |
| 04:20.34 | arahael | I've managed to copy it... But only into whatever cliboard tmux has. I want it in X's clipboard. |
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| 04:22.29 | telmac | how would xterm allow you to select a field without a mouse? |
| 04:23.11 | arahael | telmac: I have a mouse, but 3-button emul doesn't work, and for some reason, selecting text and hitting shift+ins doesn't work in firefox. |
| 04:23.38 | arahael | Selected text is apparently not being copied, or iceweasel is being stupid. |
| 04:23.43 | arahael | 14:14:23 himiko_ | now desktop isn't loading lol, just has the _ flashing in the top right corner â abrotman |
| 04:24.07 | arahael | Darn - sorry - looks like it worked here (Should've done that test elsewhere) - iceweasel must be doing soething stupid. |
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| 04:24.21 | arahael | How do I tell iceweasel to paste from the selected text? |
| 04:24.22 | jmcnaught | arahael: maybe you could use xsel? |
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| 04:25.09 | arahael | jmcnaught: Hmm, and type 'xsel --exchange' before pasting into iceweasel? |
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| 04:25.59 | jmcnaught | arahael: something like this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16111548/how-to-copy-the-gnu-screen-copy-buffer-to-clipboard |
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| 04:26.09 | arahael | Doesn't seem to anything. shift+ins _still_ uses iceweasel's original text. But not any newer text I selected. |
| 04:26.25 | arahael | jmcnaught: I can't believe that the clipboard still essentially requires writing a script to use. |
| 04:27.27 | jmcnaught | arahael: maybe there's a tmux channel you could ask in? |
| 04:27.30 | arahael | jmcnaught: manually typing that out is too tedious - it's essentially setting up a complex unix command line string to pipe the selection through to X, somehow? |
| 04:27.41 | arahael | jmcnaught: There are equivaelent 100-character command line string sfor tmux. |
| 04:27.50 | aerth | http://pastebin.com/GCSZQ0sH |
| 04:28.07 | arahael | jmcnaught: But I'm using xterm. Shouldn't xorg's own xterm be able to select text? |
| 04:28.13 | aerth | woops |
| 04:28.21 | arahael | jmcnaught: Which it seems to do, except I can't paste it into iceweasel. |
| 04:29.53 | jmcnaught | arahael: i use gnome-terminal, and it doesn't seem to have any way to select text with the keyboard that i can see. selecting text in tmux, screen, vim etc. running inside a terminal is obviously not the same as selecting the characters with your mouse (which is operating on the terminal application, not the program running within it if that makes sense) |
| 04:30.23 | DeaDSouL | Hi, what's the main thing that the speed of writting to/from my debian depends on, as a NAS box ? other than the speed of network connection |
| 04:30.29 | arahael | jmcnaught: Ok, how would you do this with the mouse then, when you have no middle button or workin 3-btn emu. |
| 04:31.05 | aerth | arahael: try the small script haste for hastebin: http://hastebin.com/raw/kilogonoha |
| 04:31.39 | Rusty1 | DeaDSouL: the app you use for doing so |
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| 04:32.15 | jmcnaught | telmac: hey so i can't think of a reason that booting would wait for you to press enter before it shows a login on the console. have you considered using a display manager like lightdm or gdm for a graphical login by the way? |
| 04:32.22 | aerth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umQL37AC_YM Richard Stallman "I've never installed gnu/linux" |
| 04:32.39 | arahael | aerth: How does that help me put the selection into the url bar? |
| 04:33.45 | jmcnaught | arahael: gnome-terminal lets me right click on URLs and open them if that's what you're trying to do maybe a different terminal? |
| 04:34.15 | arahael | jmcnaught: I plan to change terminal, but it's driving me nuts why the *most basic stuff* isn't working. |
| 04:34.37 | arahael | jmcnaught: In my opinion, the x-selection buffer is the most basic clipboard. And shift+ins inserts it. |
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| 04:34.45 | arahael | But not in other apps sucha s iceweasel. |
| 04:35.14 | jmcnaught | arahael: shift-ins does the clipboard not the selection buffer for me |
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| 04:35.27 | arahael | jmcnaught: It should be doing the selection. |
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| 04:37.02 | arahael | jmcnaught: It's free to use ctrl+v for the other clipboards, if desired. But shift+ins should be using the selection. |
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| 04:37.26 | jmcnaught | arahael: not for me on gnome in jessie, i haven't changed anything |
| 04:37.29 | telmac | jmcnaught: I thought that most graghical login managers end up with a lot of bloat |
| 04:37.43 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, sorry I was afk. so I cd'd /etc/modprobe.d/ and there are 2 files with blacklist in them, "fbdev-blacklist.conf" and "kms-sg-blacklist.conf" |
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| 04:38.04 | telmac | anyway there's a more pressing problem |
| 04:38.07 | arahael | jmcnaught: Ok. |
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| 04:38.39 | telmac | currently when I close the lid my computer shuts down |
| 04:38.44 | aerth | lol |
| 04:38.48 | jmcnaught | telmac: gdm3 for me is using 3.1 MiB of memory, i wouldn't worry about it if you have more than 512 MB of RAM |
| 04:39.04 | arahael | jmcnaught: For me, shift+ins is inserting from a _different_ clipboard depending on app. :/ |
| 04:39.04 | telmac | I may switch to that |
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| 04:39.17 | aerth | just found about cdm! |
| 04:39.24 | telmac | arahael: that happent for me too |
| 04:39.30 | TheTime | |||||| Do you know what your DOMAIN IS WORTH??? Vist >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< for a FREE DOMAIN VALUATION! or Google >>> VALBOT.com <<< |||||| |
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| 04:39.50 | arahael | telmac: It's very irritating. :( |
| 04:40.23 | arahael | Found it |
| 04:40.30 | arahael | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/178070/why-does-shiftinsert-paste-from-clipboard-in-some-applications-and-primary-in-o |
| 04:40.45 | arahael | Incidentially, it's trivial to insert _from_ iceweasel into xterm, but not the other way. |
| 04:41.03 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, so those aren't anything bad aye? |
| 04:41.08 | jmcnaught | arahael: shift+ins is actually new to me, i've only ever used middle click for the seleciton buffer |
| 04:41.17 | telmac | middle click paste and paste from actually copying in any thing are separate |
| 04:41.22 | arahael | jmcnaught: I don't have middle-click, sadly. |
| 04:42.13 | jmcnaught | himiko_: looks okay to me. are you going to try the nvidia instructions from the debian wiki? |
| 04:42.45 | himiko_ | yep |
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| 04:43.07 | arahael | telmac: Looks like I might be able to set a shortcut to xdotool. :) |
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| 04:43.20 | himiko_ | i mean if the nvidia script has been removed, then yes jmcnaught |
| 04:43.20 | jmcnaught | arahael: configuring Emulate3Buttons in xorg.conf didn't work? |
| 04:43.32 | arahael | jmcnaught: I don't ave an xorg.conf. |
| 04:43.49 | jmcnaught | himiko_: don't forget the configuration part of the instructions |
| 04:43.54 | arahael | jmcnaught: I don't have a synaptics touchpad though - I have some generic crap touchpad driver instead. |
| 04:44.17 | himiko_ | yep :) |
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| 04:45.12 | jmcnaught | arahael: you could try adding a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with an InputDevice section for your mouse to enable Emulate3Buttons |
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| 04:45.20 | arahael | jmcnaught: Isn't that the default? |
| 04:46.05 | jmcnaught | arahael: not for me at least |
| 04:46.26 | arahael | jmcnaught: Hmm, curious. That's an idea, then |
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| 04:50.08 | arahael | Hmm, yeah - 3btn is definitely not the default. That answers a few questions. |
| 04:51.07 | telmac | so any suggestions regarding lid close shutting my laptop down |
| 04:51.31 | arahael | telmac: Lucky you. :) |
| 04:51.50 | arahael | telmac: My laptop doesn't even seem to detect lid close. And standby, if initiated, hard-locks the machine. |
| 04:52.11 | jmcnaught | telmac: checkout HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
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| 04:52.47 | blast_hardcheese | alright, super frustrated |
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| 04:52.57 | blast_hardcheese | laptop nearly killed itself in my bag just now |
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| 04:53.18 | telmac | #HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 04:53.26 | blast_hardcheese | I've been hiking around for the past 5 hours or so, laptop was `suspended` in my bag |
| 04:53.30 | jmcnaught | telmac: you can set it to ignore, and then "systemctl restart systemd-logind" |
| 04:53.33 | telmac | it may be that it's trying to suspend but messing up |
| 04:53.36 | arahael | I never know if the commented line is an example - or the default. |
| 04:53.46 | telmac | I mean I would like it to suspend correctly |
| 04:53.47 | arahael | telmac: Or that it's not seeing the lid switch in the first place. |
| 04:54.00 | blast_hardcheese | I just pulled it out, smells like burning, took 2 minutes to cool down to the point that I could touch it |
| 04:54.00 | arahael | (Oh, it obviously is... Because it's doign /something/) |
| 04:54.23 | blast_hardcheese | fans were on full blast, the power button was blinking 'cause it thought it was in suspend |
| 04:54.45 | blast_hardcheese | when it cooled down, I tried to resume, power button went full and then did nothing. |
| 04:54.54 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Dodgy hardware, I suspect, but meh, still need a software solution. :( Maybe try using hibernation instead of shutdown, if hibernation works? |
| 04:55.09 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, Yeah, that's what I just switched to |
| 04:55.30 | blast_hardcheese | the weird thing was that this didn't happen before I started to tune systemd |
| 04:55.34 | blast_hardcheese | "tune" |
| 04:55.43 | arahael | Heh, so you kind of have an answer there. :/ |
| 04:55.51 | blast_hardcheese | I uninstalled acpid and friends and went with a full systemd solution |
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| 04:56.17 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: systemd probably still needs the signal. systemd makes use of other userland daemons, iir. |
| 04:56.19 | arahael | *iirc |
| 04:56.54 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, but that would mean HandleLidSwitch would be useless |
| 04:57.27 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: How so? systemd gets the event trigger, apparently from acpid. |
| 04:57.51 | blast_hardcheese | The only reason I didn't lose my work was because I had it set to hybrid-sleep |
| 04:58.21 | arahael | Stupid, stupid gnome: |
| 04:58.29 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, Oh, I see your point; If that were the case though, the laptop wouldn't have suspended when I closed the lid |
| 04:58.38 | arahael | jmcnaught, telmac: Apparently gnome disables 3btn emulation. |
| 04:58.58 | arahael | (though I'm not using gnome,s o maybe I'm unfairly blaming it) |
| 04:58.58 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, no luck. I'll just reinstall deb, and first thing I'll do will be nvidia drivers :P |
| 04:59.24 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: It seems that something may have responded to the event, but the full process wasn't done. |
| 04:59.38 | jmcnaught | arahael: oh yeah? isn't that lovely. i still use gnome and love it, but i know there will be a day where it removes something that i need and can't get back |
| 04:59.48 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, very strange. |
| 04:59.49 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Maybe something responds to it to turn the screen off, activate LED's, etc. And then allows the other handlers to initiate full suspend. |
| 04:59.50 | jmcnaught | himiko_: what happened? |
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| 05:00.19 | arahael | jmcnaught: For me, that day already came. I wanted to be able to move a window up, so that the top half was off the screen. |
| 05:00.21 | blast_hardcheese | I'll try systemctl suspend before I close my laptop and see if I get the same effect |
| 05:00.33 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, it was just screwing up, not starting x, commands not found, etc. giant mess, I think a clean install will be better |
| 05:00.43 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: That's a good idea. If the fans are going, that'd be a good way to test. |
| 05:00.55 | jmcnaught | himiko_: no harm in reinstalling from scratch i guess, it can be hard to clean up after using the nvidia scripts which basically sprays its files everywhere |
| 05:01.00 | blast_hardcheese | it is frustrating that this is the future of init systems, at least for the time being. |
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| 05:01.15 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Nah - I actually _like_ systemd. |
| 05:01.24 | jmcnaught | systemd is awesome |
| 05:01.32 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, I didn't say that people can't be wrong :) |
| 05:01.38 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Though it's definitely doing (much) more than it's predecessors did in some ways. |
| 05:01.42 | himiko_ | pretty much jmcnaught. lesson well learnt I guess. also note to self: nvidia never again |
| 05:01.45 | jmcnaught | suspend works just fine for me with systemd, out of the box no special tweaking |
| 05:02.01 | arahael | And here, "special tweaking" was done. |
| 05:02.01 | jmcnaught | himiko_: personally i think the default nouveau drivers are worth a shot |
| 05:02.05 | blast_hardcheese | jmcnaught, that's not the problem; the problem is what arahael just said |
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| 05:02.36 | blast_hardcheese | but I'm not adding anything new to the discussion, nothing that hasn't been said before billions of times |
| 05:02.36 | arahael | himiko_: The default nouvaeu drivers are pretty good. |
| 05:02.41 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, the ones from the repo? |
| 05:02.55 | himiko_ | oh I tried those. they didn't install |
| 05:03.05 | himiko_ | package not found or something, even after adding repo |
| 05:03.13 | arahael | himiko_: They should already be part of Xorg. |
| 05:03.17 | jmcnaught | himiko_: the ones that are installed by default, the open source ones. if you got a graphical environment after installing debian, it was using nouveau |
| 05:03.22 | himiko_ | oh |
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| 05:03.44 | blast_hardcheese | just wish there was an incremental solution or partial solution instead of "Let's integrate all these complex systems together to replace the most important system in Linux next to the kernel" |
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| 05:03.45 | arahael | himiko_: There was a time when nouveau wasn'tn supported, but not anymore. :) |
| 05:03.48 | himiko_ | steam wasn't installing though. kept telling me to install nvidia drivers, after I managed to install 32bit libs |
| 05:03.50 | jmcnaught | himiko_: i mean, if that works why break your system with proprietary junk? |
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| 05:04.13 | himiko_ | I guess yeah |
| 05:04.36 | himiko_ | so I first try nouveau? is there a way to make steam work with it? |
| 05:04.38 | jmcnaught | himiko_: oh, other proprietary junk requires it :) give the wiki instructions another shot on a fresh system, they do work. if you have any trouble or questions feel free to ask |
| 05:04.44 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: I want to play with systemd-nspawn when i get a chance. :) |
| 05:04.48 | himiko_ | ah right ok jmcnaught :) |
| 05:04.57 | himiko_ | thanks guys :D |
| 05:05.19 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, That's super cool! |
| 05:05.33 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: you can still use sysvinit on jessie instead of systemd can't you? the new features systemd and journald provide are pretty sweet though |
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| 05:05.41 | srvk | Is radeon 7850 a good gpu choice with debian? |
| 05:05.52 | blast_hardcheese | Why isn't that its own package with its own documentation and development group and limited dependencies? |
| 05:06.00 | blast_hardcheese | @arahael |
| 05:06.14 | arahael | srvk: I'm partial to intel graphics these days, though I'm not a gamer. |
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| 05:06.46 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: What benefit would that be, except for concepetual isolation? |
| 05:06.48 | srvk | I'm running intel atm and it works great, but I also got an R9 270x and it's terrible |
| 05:07.02 | srvk | so I;m guessing older cards will be supported better? |
| 05:07.12 | srvk | or maybe go with nvidia |
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| 05:07.16 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, as a software developer, isolated projects are _much_ easier to develop and understand |
| 05:07.33 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Arguably |
| 05:07.38 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: I am also a software dev. |
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| 05:07.46 | jmcnaught | srvk: according to the radeon(4) man page the radeon 7800 hd series is supported. the open source drivers might require a non-free firmware |
| 05:07.54 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Isolated, small-scope projects have major advantages as you've pointed out. |
| 05:08.17 | blast_hardcheese | expose as small an API as possible, contain complexity as much as possible. Smaller codebase, limited deps, greater possibility of interoperability with other projects... |
| 05:08.19 | srvk | jmcnaught, are those provided in the non-free repo? |
| 05:08.31 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Yet, larger projects that, due to it's size, is able to implement it's own functionality (without using deps), has it's own advantages. You have fewer interactinos to worry about. |
| 05:08.41 | jmcnaught | blast_hardcheese: are you asking why systemd-nspawn isn't in its own package? presumably it's because the debian packagers felt that it belonged in the systemd package |
| 05:09.00 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: The "api" you've exposed is what systme-d exposes. If you used separate, smaller projects, the "api" you'd have to deal with would be the whole system. |
| 05:09.05 | jmcnaught | srvk: yes, in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 05:09.41 | srvk | I am mostly going to use my GPU in a kvm with windows, but I also would like to have it for parallel processing stuffs in my debian host. |
| 05:09.50 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: By doing it in systemd, you don't need to factor in an nspwn edge case where it doesn't work if you're using bsd-style init, or selinux, or whatever. |
| 05:09.56 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, definitely. Having to test to see which of the 5 packages that do the same thing exist on any given platform is a PITA, that point is extremely valid |
| 05:10.20 | jmcnaught | srvk: and the radeon driver is pretty good, so you should give it a try for a bit before considering the proprietary fglrx drivers |
| 05:10.27 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: I must admit I still favour small-scope packages, but at the system level, bigger is nice too. |
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| 05:10.41 | srvk | jmcnaught: I am aiming for 100% free host |
| 05:10.48 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, ah yes, but by doing it in systemd now you're violating the authority of these dedicated tools that you've explicitly configured to do their jobs (bsd-style init scripts, selinux, or whatever) |
| 05:10.55 | srvk | motherboard will go with coreboot even |
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| 05:11.36 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, the fact that /something/ is _partially_ configuring my laptop for suspend is pretty nuts |
| 05:11.42 | srvk | but I guess there's no getting around those proprietary GPU firmwares, right? |
| 05:11.43 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: The only dedicated tools that can do nspawn, are either chroot, or real virt approaches. |
| 05:11.57 | jmcnaught | srvk: that's cool! have you seen http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom ? |
| 05:11.58 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: A lot of DE's do a lot of partial crap. :( |
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| 05:12.46 | srvk | jmcnaught: haven;t checked the list altel,y but I sure have seen it before |
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| 05:13.04 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, Yeah, and that's why I'm not speaking towards nspawn; If systemd can do it, something else could conceivably do it using the process, memory, and network isolation stuff in the kernel these days |
| 05:13.19 | jmcnaught | srvk: there's not much on it, but it might be a starting point for selecting hardware that doesn't require binary blobs |
| 05:13.22 | srvk | well I have a vanilla prusa i3 3D printer which AFAIK is 100% free |
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| 05:13.41 | srvk | and tp-link tl-wr741nd, which supports librecmc |
| 05:13.55 | blast_hardcheese | the advantage being that then you're not locked into a single monolithic init-plus-everything system to do that thing, the group of people working on the project at large don't also have to know/support that project, etc |
| 05:14.17 | srvk | and also currently looking at a thinkpad x230 to replace my laptop |
| 05:14.44 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: That's indeed true. |
| 05:14.50 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: But... |
| 05:15.06 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: nspawn can snapshot the host system and essentially fork the entire computer. |
| 05:15.32 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Where both forks can read-write without affecting the other. |
| 05:15.33 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, but the second reason I don't want to use sysvinit is because this is the direction my community has chosen to go, and even though I disagree, I value the extremely smart people putting their efforts into the Debian project |
| 05:15.35 | jmcnaught | srvk: do you want to chat about laptop options in #debian-offtopic with me? |
| 05:15.40 | srvk | sure |
| 05:16.27 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Though sadly, that is filesystem dependant, but it's a pretty awesome idea. |
| 05:16.42 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, sounds like something from nixos |
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| 05:17.50 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: nixos uses systemd, according to they-that-are-google. |
| 05:18.26 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
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| 05:18.50 | blast_hardcheese | there's no escaping it, just hoping for a better tomorrow. |
| 05:18.57 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: So, from systemd, then, not nixos. :) |
| 05:19.06 | telmac | so sometimes, especially after a reboot, my nipple mouse and its buttons don't work |
| 05:19.43 | arahael | telmac: I have similar issues - not with my nipple, but with the network adapter. :( |
| 05:19.54 | blast_hardcheese | Another advantage of systemd is that the giant-monolithic-OS-users have fewer things to complain about because now so much of the core system is integrated (for better or worse) |
| 05:20.48 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: And sysv script work is much reduced, because that's what the upstream authors use. I think that was a _major_ advantage. |
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| 05:22.32 | arahael | Hmm. Why are coordinate systems frequently between 0, and 1. |
| 05:22.46 | arahael | I mean, why normalize to 0..1 |
| 05:23.49 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, That's one thing, I wish start-stop-daemon had been more widely used outside of debian |
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| 05:24.22 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: Same, but a bash function for that is quirky. |
| 05:24.26 | blast_hardcheese | I built it on OSX to manage my development environment at a company I worked at, it was beautiful |
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| 05:24.57 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: start-stoop-daemon? |
| 05:24.59 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 05:25.14 | blast_hardcheese | downloaded the source for dpkg, went into that directory, ./configure'd and make'd |
| 05:25.31 | arahael | Each to their own. :) |
| 05:25.33 | blast_hardcheese | or autoconf'd, whichever |
| 05:26.14 | blast_hardcheese | really? |
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| 05:26.39 | blast_hardcheese | You wouldn't choose to use start-stop-daemon if what you need is exactly what start-stop-daemon provides? |
| 05:27.05 | blast_hardcheese | I guess now you'd write a unit or service or whatever for it and manage it with your user systemd config directory or whatever |
| 05:27.15 | blast_hardcheese | but I was on a _Mac_, and it still worked. |
| 05:27.37 | blast_hardcheese | THAT is why I'm not the biggest fan of systemd. |
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| 05:28.28 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: I don't like the way services work on the mac, but I'd tend to prefer using the mac services. |
| 05:30.23 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: When doing stuff on a mac, it tends to be sipmler to use typical mac approaches. |
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| 05:31.11 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: It's comparable to doing all your win32 dev within cygwin on windows. The unix devs are somewhat more comfortable but will be frustrated with all the windowisms they see, while the windows devs find cygwin just plain wierd. |
| 05:31.25 | arahael | blast_hardcheese: It's the worst of both ways. |
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| 05:33.39 | blast_hardcheese | agreed, cygwin is a crutch |
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| 05:34.39 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, but I'd rather not use launchctl when I really want `while true; do ./thing; done` |
| 05:34.59 | negator_prime | side note ; The easiest way on windows would be a codeblocks project... and the codeblocks with mingw bundle. |
| 05:35.03 | arahael | Why not? The system is _already_ using launchctl. |
| 05:35.36 | arahael | negator_prime: Nah. easiest way on windows is to use visual studio, or one of the variosu excellent scripting languages such as python/ruby. |
| 05:35.57 | arahael | Incidentially, ruby tends to use mingw. |
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| 05:38.18 | negator_prime | araheal ; ah, actually the easiest way is a personal preference XD |
| 05:38.57 | blast_hardcheese | arahael, I don't really have a good reason for not using launchctl other than what negator_prime just mentioned ;) |
| 05:39.15 | arahael | Heh. :) |
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| 05:41.22 | warsoul | hello |
| 05:41.29 | warsoul | how do i run gnome on the shell |
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| 05:42.05 | blast_hardcheese | warsoul, Running gnome without a display manager? |
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| 05:42.25 | warsoul | it was running before |
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| 05:42.48 | warsoul | but now when i start its not starting auto |
| 05:43.23 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, your display manager might be having some problems. Did you do a software update recently? |
| 05:43.53 | warsoul | yes |
| 05:44.13 | warsoul | i have tu run it in recovery |
| 05:44.22 | warsoul | to be able to access shell command line |
| 05:44.22 | blast_hardcheese | Was the software update interrupted? |
| 05:44.27 | warsoul | nope |
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| 05:44.50 | srvk | oh I see, warsoul, your system won't boot on normal mode? |
| 05:44.56 | warsoul | nope |
| 05:45.00 | warsoul | recovery mode |
| 05:45.13 | warsoul | normal mode it stays on black screen |
| 05:45.25 | blast_hardcheese | You might want to run dpkg-reconfigure --all just to be sure; that won't have any negative effects, but it makes sure the update was complete |
| 05:46.18 | warsoul | it says |
| 05:46.26 | warsoul | please select a package to reconfigure |
| 05:47.26 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, I'm sorry; I meant dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:48.41 | himiko_ | so I'm reinstalling, do I need to have a swap partition? |
| 05:49.02 | warsoul | after that |
| 05:49.05 | warsoul | what should i do |
| 05:49.10 | srvk | himiko_: get a swap partition |
| 05:49.21 | himiko_ | srvk, how large? |
| 05:49.34 | srvk | when you hibernate, ram gets stored on swap |
| 05:49.37 | blast_hardcheese | warsoul, Did it show you anything when running that? |
| 05:49.40 | srvk | so at least as big as your ram |
| 05:49.46 | warsoul | nope |
| 05:50.00 | himiko_ | srvk, can it be on my hdd? |
| 05:50.01 | rabbitear | nope |
| 05:50.08 | blast_hardcheese | warsoul, I see. Can you describe why you can't boot normally? What happens? |
| 05:50.11 | srvk | himiko_: yes |
| 05:50.16 | himiko_ | because the / and /home partitions are on ssd |
| 05:50.17 | himiko_ | ok |
| 05:50.23 | rabbitear | no |
| 05:50.36 | rabbitear | just kidding, didn't scroll up |
| 05:50.40 | arahael | That makes no sense. |
| 05:50.43 | jmcnaught | himiko_: if you plan on using encryption on your disk, make sure swap is encrypted too |
| 05:50.53 | himiko_ | i don't plan to |
| 05:50.56 | warsoul | blast_hardcheese when i try to boot normally it start normally then in the part that appears root login: normally it changes to the desktop |
| 05:50.57 | jmcnaught | himiko_: also i would put the swap on the SSD |
| 05:51.00 | rabbitear | coreboot |
| 05:51.08 | rabbitear | #coreboot |
| 05:51.09 | warsoul | but now is just a black screen |
| 05:51.22 | negator_prime | can you get to another tty ? |
| 05:51.25 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, haven't got any more space on it. would hdd be worse than not having a swap part at all? |
| 05:51.30 | arahael | jmcnaught: I use ecryptfs - for some reason dmcrypt had issues on my system. |
| 05:51.44 | arahael | doesn't use swap at all. |
| 05:52.22 | negator_prime | warsoul: can you get to another tty with a ctrl + alt + nr-key like ctrl + alt + 3 |
| 05:52.27 | blast_hardcheese | warsoul, What negator_prime said; Can you Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a login prompt? |
| 05:52.44 | negator_prime | functio nr key* sorry |
| 05:52.51 | jmcnaught | himiko_: if it's not too late to repartition, i would put swap on the SSD. otherwise better to have it on HDD than not at all i guess |
| 05:52.55 | warsoul | let me see |
| 05:53.13 | blast_hardcheese | When you're booted normally, can you `service gdm start` as root? |
| 05:53.51 | warsoul | blast_hardcheese when a boot normally |
| 05:53.54 | warsoul | cant do nothing |
| 05:53.55 | jmcnaught | himiko_: another option to consider at this point is using LVM which the debian installer can set up for you. using lvm gives you more flexibility, lets you do things like snapshots or resizing volumes |
| 05:53.57 | warsoul | black screen |
| 05:54.10 | negator_prime | on a fresh tty with a normal boot he should just try a startx. |
| 05:54.11 | blast_hardcheese | warsoul, Right, Ctrl+Alt+F2 does nothing? |
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| 05:54.39 | warsoul | nothing |
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| 05:54.50 | warsoul | with ctrl + alt + f1 or f2 |
| 05:54.50 | srvk | can you startx from recovery mode? |
| 05:55.02 | warsoul | startx command not found |
| 05:55.05 | blast_hardcheese | That's strange |
| 05:55.12 | blast_hardcheese | That's even more strange, actually. |
| 05:55.29 | srvk | maybe you uninstalled an important metapackage? |
| 05:55.37 | jmcnaught | arahael: what kind of issues? i used the debian installer to configure dmcrypt and haven't had any problems |
| 05:55.50 | warsoul | in recovery mode at least i can see the shell command line |
| 05:56.01 | arahael | jmcnaught: It wouldn't let me enter in the passkey upon boot. |
| 05:57.16 | jmcnaught | arahael: weird |
| 05:57.21 | warsoul | :s |
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| 05:58.54 | arahael | jmcnaught: Indeed. This laptop is not completely supported yet. :( |
| 05:59.09 | warsoul | what can i do |
| 05:59.12 | arahael | So something must be misconfigured. So I'm using ecryptfs instead. |
| 05:59.19 | srvk | warsoul: apt-get install gnome |
| 05:59.21 | arahael | Which is Good Enough for me, for the moment. |
| 05:59.24 | srvk | on recory mode |
| 05:59.51 | warsoul | srvk after that? |
| 05:59.58 | srvk | what does it say? |
| 06:00.06 | warsoul | installing |
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| 06:00.13 | warsoul | is finished |
| 06:00.15 | jmcnaught | arahael: i guess if you don't have swap there's no risk of data leak on unencrypted swap then eh? |
| 06:00.29 | srvk | try booting in normal mode after installing |
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| 06:01.08 | arahael | jmcnaught: Well, yes and no. ecryptfs has heaps of potential for leaks. I doubt /tmp is covered, either. |
| 06:01.13 | jmcnaught | arahael: was there a prompt displayed but you just could not type anything? |
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| 06:01.49 | arahael | jmcnaught: Indeed. |
| 06:01.54 | warsoul | srvk not working |
| 06:02.02 | arahael | jmcnaught: And enter and ^c were both ineffective. |
| 06:02.32 | srvk | warsoul: Which release are you using? Is it a new install? |
| 06:02.38 | jmcnaught | arahael: enter did nothing, or gave you an error? |
| 06:03.18 | arahael | jmcnaught: My /dev/mmcblk0p1 was encrypted, and enter did nothing whatsoever. It was as if the keyboard wasn't enabled yet. |
| 06:03.42 | warsoul | srvk is debian 8 |
| 06:03.48 | warsoul | and yes i just installed |
| 06:04.08 | warsoul | that was working perfect before |
| 06:04.23 | warsoul | i remember installing linux headers and rebooting |
| 06:04.24 | srvk | do you remember doing anything that might have misconfigured your system before it broke? |
| 06:04.33 | warsoul | and thats when everything started to happen |
| 06:04.44 | xedot | hi, i need some help with a debian pkg file, and i'm new to linux so please be patient with me lol :( |
| 06:04.46 | srvk | oh, you might want to try booting another kernel |
| 06:05.01 | xedot | but ill wait till everyone else is done. |
| 06:05.03 | srvk | but I don't really know how to do that, you're gonna have to google it. |
| 06:05.24 | jmcnaught | arahael: huh i don't know how to fix that, it sounds like an initrd problem |
| 06:05.24 | srvk | @ warsoul |
| 06:05.35 | arahael | xedot: You might be waiting a while. I think people usually ask when they can... And then perhaps ask maybe a second time once it's quiet again. |
| 06:05.37 | xedot | just to be courteous |
| 06:05.45 | rabbitear | Happy Debian Day. |
| 06:05.46 | arahael | jmcnaught: Yeah, it's odd. But it's an odd laptop. |
| 06:05.50 | arahael | jmcnaught: Asus X205TA |
| 06:06.06 | srvk | xedot: just ask :) |
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| 06:06.39 | xedot | oh....ok sry, i just figured it was a first come/serve protocol and would be rude to speak out of turn :D |
| 06:06.51 | xedot | alright, its a fairly simple one. |
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| 06:07.17 | arahael | xedot: You have no idea. :( Rudeness is, by neccessity, a very low standard here. |
| 06:08.00 | xedot | and i'm sure hoping it'll be quick to be resolved. i downloaded irssi for my dedi server that runs debian.....and i wnated to download the scripts package file and install/unpack/whatever it to the proper scripts dir in the bin/.irssi folder |
| 06:08.09 | rabbitear | I'm not rude |
| 06:08.17 | rabbitear | most people are not rude |
| 06:08.20 | xedot | so i'm not exactly sure how to do that. |
| 06:08.49 | arahael | xedot: How did you download irssi? Did you use apt-get or synaptic for that? |
| 06:08.58 | rabbitear | we don't know this rudeness that you try and talk about |
| 06:09.09 | xedot | apt-get |
| 06:09.31 | arahael | xedot: Good, you did it the easiest possible way. Good. |
| 06:09.33 | xedot | one of my friends told me ic ould just use apt-get but i just am suprised that you could pretty much get anything from using that command |
| 06:09.38 | srvk | apt-get the irssi-scripts package |
| 06:09.45 | rabbitear | if they are so rude, you should give them to me |
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| 06:10.07 | xedot | yea, i have that. |
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| 06:10.15 | jmcnaught | xedot: once you have the irssi-scripts package installed, you can create symlinks to them in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun |
| 06:10.23 | rabbitear | its what I do for a living in text |
| 06:11.09 | xedot | oh ok, well after i downloaded the pkg file i xcopy'd to the scripts folder in the .irssi bin files |
| 06:11.18 | warsoul | could somebody help me with black screen problems after rebooting |
| 06:11.21 | warsoul | please |
| 06:11.40 | jmcnaught | xedot: what do you mean to the .irssi bin files? what command did you use? |
| 06:12.18 | negator_prime | Warsoul: do yobu see your bootloader producing messages before you get to that black screen ? |
| 06:12.31 | srvk | warsoul: try searching on the internet how to boot from a different kernel on debian when your kernel is broken |
| 06:12.32 | xedot | so, you can get pretty much anything using apt-get? i would've had thought you had to remember exact names and stuff....like ie. apt-get yadda.yadda.v2.2 stuff like that |
| 06:12.49 | xedot | but if the library really is that extensive, then its astonishing |
| 06:12.56 | negator_prime | do you see your* produce any massages * |
| 06:12.57 | xedot | heh know what i mean |
| 06:13.25 | srvk | xedot, I don't even know what irssi is, I just typed 'apt-cache search irrsi scripts' into bash |
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| 06:13.28 | xedot | i used xcopy command |
| 06:13.49 | arahael | xedot: xcopy is not a normal command in linux. |
| 06:14.04 | rabbitear | its from the amiga days |
| 06:14.09 | arahael | xedot: iirc, windows has xcopy because their regular 'copy' command is pretty stupid. |
| 06:14.10 | xedot | hmm, maybe i'm mis-remembering then |
| 06:14.30 | jmcnaught | xedot: where did you copy the scripts to? |
| 06:14.44 | xedot | but it was a command i issued to transfer from my current downloads folder to the .irssi/scripts folder |
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| 06:15.02 | arahael | xedot: jmcnaught wants to know _which_ .irssi folder you used. |
| 06:15.06 | xedot | and now i need to unpack (dunno if that terminology is correct?) it |
| 06:15.15 | xedot | oh |
| 06:15.27 | xedot | ~/bin/.irssi/scripts |
| 06:15.42 | rabbitear | xedot: read the man page of tar |
| 06:15.53 | rabbitear | xedot: it'll help your mind |
| 06:16.01 | xedot | i dont think its a tarball tho |
| 06:16.05 | xedot | let me double-check |
| 06:16.23 | arahael | rabbitear: Why is tar relevant? |
| 06:17.02 | jmcnaught | xedot: that's not the right place. i would install the irssi-scripts package, and copy or symlink individual scripts that you want to enable into ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun |
| 06:17.08 | rabbitear | for copying things |
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| 06:17.33 | rabbitear | man cp? |
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| 06:18.53 | jmcnaught | xedot: if you use the irssi-scripts package it will get updates from Debian. Use a command like: "ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/hideauth.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/" for each individual script you want to enable |
| 06:25.24 | warsoul | negator_prime yes i do |
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| 06:29.32 | Csibesz | hi |
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| 06:38.51 | himiko_ | ok, reinstalled |
| 06:38.54 | himiko_ | :) |
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| 06:47.36 | Chocolate_Chip | Are conexant drivers in the repository? |
| 06:47.45 | Chocolate_Chip | I have a dial-up modem and it is listed as |
| 06:47.46 | Chocolate_Chip | 03:03.0 Communication controller [0780]: Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem [14f1:2f20] |
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| 06:56.20 | arahael | People still use dial-up modems? |
| 06:56.43 | arahael | Chocolate_Chip: Which country are you in? Dial-up modems in australia (especially in the capital cities) are obsolete. |
| 06:57.04 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm in America but I still use faxes and sometimes log into a BBS in Seattle |
| 06:57.16 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, so I'm walking through the debian wiki page. I scanned the system and have the gpu that needs the 340.65 driver for jessie, so the first method on the list for "Installation". I read that I shouldn't be using aptitude, and use apt-get insead, but this is saying use aptitude |
| 06:57.34 | himiko_ | arahael, we still get dial up speeds tho :P |
| 06:57.49 | himiko_ | also do I just use aptitude? |
| 06:57.51 | arahael | himiko_: Regardless. :( |
| 06:58.03 | jmcnaught | himiko_: nothing wrong with using aptitude or apt-get or apt |
| 06:58.06 | arahael | Chocolate_Chip: People still use BBS'es? :) |
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| 06:58.14 | Chocolate_Chip | I found an installer script that attempts to wget a website that returns error 403 |
| 06:58.20 | Chocolate_Chip | arahael, yeah |
| 06:58.22 | himiko_ | ok thanks jmcnaught |
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| 06:58.31 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm on The Diamond Mine BBS weekly |
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| 06:58.43 | arahael | himiko_: In the past, aptitude was loudly suggested as better than apt-get, but now the two tools are merely equivalent, differnt in some small ways. |
| 06:58.56 | arahael | Chocolate_Chip: I have actually never used a BBS. |
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| 06:59.13 | Chocolate_Chip | 4chan and message boards could be considered modern BBS' |
| 06:59.25 | himiko_ | interesting, arahael |
| 06:59.25 | Chocolate_Chip | So you can say you've used a modern BBS at least |
| 06:59.35 | Chocolate_Chip | here, telnet://bbs.dmine.net |
| 06:59.43 | Chocolate_Chip | That's the diamond mine. Try it out |
| 06:59.58 | arahael | Chocolate_Chip: I have used forums from time to time, though I generally feel that the quality is terrible. |
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| 07:00.23 | Chocolate_Chip | The diamond mine has a wonderful door game that is a parody of Barney and Friedns |
| 07:00.33 | Chocolate_Chip | Complete with ASCII colors and sounds! |
| 07:00.53 | Chocolate_Chip | "Let's deface Barney" yells one of the children you drugged |
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| 07:04.54 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: you might be able to use minicom or something similar to dial into that BBS if they still have it hooked up to POTS |
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| 07:07.19 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, PTOS? |
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| 07:07.56 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: Plain Old Telephone System (or maybe it's telephony) |
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| 07:08.14 | Chocolate_Chip | Well, it's plugged into a phone jack |
| 07:08.19 | Chocolate_Chip | And it's a PCI card |
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| 07:10.11 | Chocolate_Chip | Minicom will provide the drivers? |
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| 07:11.07 | Chocolate_Chip | What about faxes |
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| 07:12.35 | Chocolate_Chip | minicom: cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory |
| 07:12.37 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught, |
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| 07:13.17 | Chocolate_Chip | Ugh. I'm having such hard problems with my outdated hardware |
| 07:14.38 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, so I'm at the configuration stage now. # mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 07:14.38 | himiko_ | # echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf . I feel so stupid, I have no idea what to replaace from this command |
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| 07:16.05 | himiko_ | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
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| 07:27.32 | himiko_ | jmcnaught, I left it as it was, added it, rebooted, and it seems to be working :) audio works too |
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| 07:27.48 | himiko_ | thank you jmcnaught and arahael :) |
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| 07:28.11 | arahael | wonders what he did. |
| 07:28.43 | himiko_ | moral support? nah you were here for me mate |
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| 07:29.31 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: himiko_ sorry my internet was down for a bit |
| 07:30.23 | himiko_ | no worries jmcnaught :) |
| 07:30.31 | himiko_ | all is well, so far |
| 07:30.40 | himiko_ | I have to try installing steam though, see if that works |
| 07:30.57 | arahael | :) |
| 07:31.22 | himiko_ | takes smxi out of his bookmarks and adds debian wiki instead |
| 07:31.30 | himiko_ | also wow why am I himiko_ |
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| 07:31.41 | himiko_ | I think my znc is connected to freenode? |
| 07:31.46 | himiko_ | under himiko |
| 07:34.00 | arahael | himiko_: If you've registered your name, you can ghost the other one and then /nick again. |
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| 07:34.44 | himiko_ | ghost through nickserv or chanserv? I haven't ghosted since I got my znc set up so I've forgotted |
| 07:34.45 | Chocolate_Chip | Is the package hsfmodem in a backported repository? |
| 07:35.58 | arahael | himiko_: nickserv. |
| 07:36.18 | himiko_ | danke |
| 07:36.18 | JyZyXEL | how do you send function key presses with xbindkeys? |
| 07:36.26 | JyZyXEL | i mean xvkbd |
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| 07:38.53 | himiko_ | hmm steam is missing 32 bit libraries. gotta get that again |
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| 07:52.11 | FemAnon | I just changed hardware every time I want try to use sudo, I get this: sudo: unable to resolve host computer what is broken? It seems to be trying to resolve something, and I do not know why. the command is being run on localhost. it DOES work and there is nothing wrong with the hosts file. this problem started when I pulled my hard drive from one computer and stuck it in another. |
| 07:52.54 | rozie | FemAnon: check if /etc/hosts is the same |
| 07:53.03 | rozie | and hostname |
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| 07:56.18 | FemAnon | hosts has 127.0.0.1 computer hostname has computer |
| 07:56.34 | FemAnon | wait no, hosts has 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 07:56.57 | FemAnon | I put a # before 127.0.1.1 computer is that my issue? |
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| 07:58.22 | jmcnaught | FemAnon: /etc/hosts should have the hostname in it |
| 07:58.29 | FemAnon | k fixed it |
| 07:58.33 | FemAnon | much appreciated |
| 07:59.25 | rozie | if you change hostname, you need to take care of /etc/hosts too |
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| 08:03.19 | jmcnaught | another place to change hostname is /etc/mailname (which exim4 and postfix use by default to know their server name) |
| 08:04.35 | JyZyXEL | "xdotool key "alt+F1"" m:0x10 + c:68 Mod2 + F1 |
| 08:04.38 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't that work? |
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| 08:13.28 | FemAnon | #transmission isn't helping me... so lets see if #debian can help ---- I have let connections in from my local network on tcp 9091 through iptables, but connections still aren't getting in. They are logging in my firewall, so I see no indication that they are being blocked by iptables, but they aren't loading the web page on 9091 |
| 08:13.57 | FemAnon | i have confirmed that transmission is listening on 9091 using lsof -nPi | grep /:9091 |
| 08:14.10 | FemAnon | and I can load the page in my browser on localhost:9091 |
| 08:14.28 | FemAnon | transmiss 2559 debian-transmission 13u IPv4 31111 0t0 TCP *:9091 (LISTEN) |
| 08:15.43 | FemAnon | any ideas? I do block incoming connections on port 137/138 and I see those in my block logs, but I think that has nothing to do with it |
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| 08:16.30 | valdyn | FemAnon: "netstat -plunt | grep 9091" |
| 08:18.10 | FemAnon | valdyn, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9091 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2559/transmission-d |
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| 08:22.00 | FemAnon | oh damn I was allowing the connections in on eth0 instead of wlan0 |
| 08:22.04 | FemAnon | lols |
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| 09:42.04 | Patero | hello I want to know what utility is used for power managment of the harddrives or how to turn them off so they don't get hot |
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| 09:44.09 | hid3 | Patero: google's research revealed that hdd temperature does not have effect on their life |
| 09:44.17 | hid3 | in fact, higher temperature is better |
| 09:44.32 | FemAnon | orly? |
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| 09:44.33 | hid3 | so HDDs don't need the "coolers" as it was popular earlier |
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| 09:44.44 | valdyn | hid3: up to which temp is better? |
| 09:44.56 | hid3 | well, not to the boiling point of course |
| 09:45.14 | valdyn | so 90° is ideal? i dont think so |
| 09:45.22 | jbonnett | http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 09:45.29 | hid3 | I don't remember the details but the fact I remember for sure that no coolers are required and one should not worry about the temperature |
| 09:45.35 | jbonnett | (the research paper) |
| 09:45.41 | hid3 | valdyn: common sense, please... |
| 09:45.59 | hid3 | how many times a year your hdd was 90 *C? |
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| 09:46.18 | Patero | hid3: that's ok I just want them quiet as well |
| 09:46.24 | Patero | so I still need to turn them off how can i |
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| 09:46.58 | valdyn | hid3: googles data only goes up to 45° |
| 09:47.52 | hid3 | my HDDs never go over 40, so its fine for me |
| 09:48.03 | hid3 | Patero: what kind of HDDs? SCSI, S/ATA? |
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| 09:48.22 | Patero | sata1 |
| 09:48.26 | Patero | 4 hds |
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| 09:49.13 | valdyn | the ideal temperature according to googles data is 40-45. Higher is worse, lower is worse (if im reading this correctly) |
| 09:49.46 | hid3 | valdyn: yes, thats right I think |
| 09:49.58 | hid3 | Patero: maybe hdparm will work for you then? |
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| 09:51.11 | nodus | 40-45C is pretty warm in MERICA units. something like 113F |
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| 09:51.35 | hid3 | yep, it is. That discovered thing made me scratch my head |
| 09:51.50 | hid3 | I remember MAXTOR drives with 100% failure rate per year |
| 09:52.00 | hid3 | >200 <1000 GB |
| 09:52.40 | valdyn | it means that vendors optimise the disks for the average customer I guess |
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| 09:55.04 | nodus | well, and this is 2008 data, so keep in mind that drives are ever more reliant on software correction as they have pushed up density |
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| 10:00.33 | JyZyXEL | is apparmor automatically enabled for applications that have a profile? |
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| 10:02.44 | Greedom | I go to type LS and I get A9EE0864C9293118D567 - please authenticate |
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| 10:12.06 | Patero | ok I was able to make my hardrives enter into standby mode waiting only 5 seconds before shutting off |
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| 10:12.10 | Patero | thank you people |
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| 10:16.59 | hexnewbie | It's been two years, and I still can't figure out how to open a page from the addressbar history of Iceweasel. Huh. |
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| 10:17.27 | hexnewbie | Shift+Click opens it in a new window. Shift+Enter opens what I have written... |
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| 10:19.44 | Patero | hexnewbie: you want to open a new tab? |
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| 10:20.41 | hexnewbie | Patero: Current tab. |
| 10:20.55 | Patero | hexnewbie: just click on it |
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| 10:21.16 | hexnewbie | Patero: That sends me to another tab in another window on another screen and desktop where the same link happens to be open for a different reason |
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| 10:22.19 | Patero | hexnewbie: oh, there must be something that changed, on mine it opens on the same tab |
| 10:22.27 | Patero | maybe you wanna take a look at my config file |
| 10:22.36 | hexnewbie | Patero: If it isn't already open, yeah. :) |
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| 10:23.11 | hexnewbie | Patero: Looking for open tabs is a nice feature, but it's not nice that the ability to open the actual link is gone. |
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| 10:27.31 | hexnewbie | Patero: What's the value of your browser.urlbar.suggest.openpage? I think that's the culprit |
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| 10:29.20 | baghera | Hello, is it redundant to use laptop-mode-tools and powertop at the same time to get better battery? |
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| 10:29.29 | monsune | hello folks, may i please ask you for some help? does anyone know what happens to the filesystem when you manually delete a 300GB sparse file of some vm? no extra free space appeared after that and i'm somehow worried |
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| 10:29.53 | nodus | baghera: power top is a tool that measures and suggests tweaks |
| 10:30.00 | hexnewbie | (on a side-note, I am not sure how I feel about Iceweasel 38.2.0 - search bar no longer works (at all), Ctrl+Shift+P opens bookmarks(!), moving tabs from one window to another is half-broken (sometimes they don't move, sometimes they move without the title), page loading occassionally hangs) |
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| 10:30.19 | nodus | baghera: to my knowelge there is no mode in which you leave it running like laptop mode |
| 10:30.23 | hexnewbie | baghera: I think they are kinda orthogonal - back in the day, laptop-mode-tools only enabled laptop mode IIRC |
| 10:30.41 | baghera | I see |
| 10:31.04 | hexnewbie | baghera: powertop informs you about all tunables that you can touch, possibly including laptop mode, but it doesn't allow you to make them persistent |
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| 10:31.35 | baghera | the thing is I'm already using Powertop with tunables tweak turned ON at startup. I was wondering if there was any more benefits I could get from laptop-mode-tools? |
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| 10:31.59 | baghera | hexnewbie: yea I put them persistent using /etc/rc.local |
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| 10:32.35 | hexnewbie | baghera: Well, IIRC, laptop-mode-tools enables laptop mode when you go to battery, and goes back out of laptop mode when you plug your laptop in |
| 10:33.13 | hexnewbie | baghera: That probably means you shouldn't enable laptop mode in rc.local (but maybe you should enable the other tunables), and laptop-mode-tools still helps |
| 10:34.22 | hexnewbie | baghera: I would double-check if what I am saying is true, but I would (and do) keep laptop-mode-tools installed. |
| 10:34.56 | baghera | hexnewbie: thank you, do you use Powertop also? |
| 10:35.37 | hexnewbie | baghera: Only to check stuff. The only useful thing in it is enabling the power saving of my mouse receiver, but that makes the mouse laggy, so I don't usei t |
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| 10:36.28 | baghera | hexnewbie: don't you use powertop to tweak tunables? |
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| 10:37.11 | hexnewbie | baghera: Yeah, but as I said, I didn't found most of them useful, or desirable. :) |
| 10:37.45 | baghera | I see |
| 10:37.56 | JyZyXEL | why am i getting a "Failure: Connection refures" when i press "Connect" in "PulseAudio Mnager" ? |
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| 10:38.25 | baghera | hexnewbie: have you configured a lot of stuff with laptop-mode-tools? or just installed and its good to go? |
| 10:38.25 | Patero | hexnewbie: where can I find that |
| 10:38.41 | Patero | the address you gave me |
| 10:39.05 | hexnewbie | Patero: Oh, it's in about:config. I thought that's what you meant by preferences. No need to check it. I tested it and it works fine now. |
| 10:39.14 | hexnewbie | Patero: Thank you |
| 10:39.24 | Patero | great |
| 10:40.26 | hexnewbie | baghera: It's good to go. But read what laptop mode does and if it is good for you. Spinning down disks might not be that great an idea, and disk write delays might be... undesirable |
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| 10:40.59 | baghera | got you! |
| 10:41.00 | baghera | thx |
| 10:41.44 | JyZyXEL | % pulseaudio --start |
| 10:41.46 | JyZyXEL | E: [autospawn] core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied |
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| 10:43.35 | hexnewbie | baghera: By the way, there are ways to use udev to trigger actions on AC/Battery events, so you can only enable the tunables when you're on battery. You might check that. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#Using_a_script_and_an_udev_rule |
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| 10:46.17 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: use sudo |
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| 10:47.12 | JyZyXEL | davidKatara: W: [pulseaudio] main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified). |
| 10:47.19 | monsune | how do you find out if certain file is open by any process? |
| 10:47.32 | JyZyXEL | this is supposed to work out of the box in jessie anyways |
| 10:47.48 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: yeah, but what --system does? |
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| 10:48.04 | JyZyXEL | destroys security? |
| 10:48.20 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: I personally remove pulseaudio right away because I don't see the point of it when you have ALSA |
| 10:48.22 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: oh ok |
| 10:48.48 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: maybe you can use ALSA instead for what you're doing |
| 10:48.59 | placko | I have installed w3m-el package to browse internet witin emacs. |
| 10:48.59 | placko | But I am unable to start browsing. |
| 10:48.59 | placko | If I type: M-x w3m |
| 10:48.59 | placko | emacs reply with [No match] |
| 10:48.59 | placko | If I try to evaluate expression in *scratch* (or in .emacs): |
| 10:49.00 | placko | (require 'w3m-load) |
| 10:49.00 | placko | I got error: |
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| 10:49.03 | JyZyXEL | what sound implementation does kde have? |
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| 10:49.53 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: or do a `sudo chown <YourUserName> /run/user/1000` or whatever |
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| 10:50.28 | placko | I installed w3m-el package. How do I use it? |
| 10:51.22 | JyZyXEL | davidKatara: well that actually worked :D |
| 10:51.44 | davidKatara | JyZyXEL: awesome! |
| 10:53.24 | davidKatara | placko: check out #emacs, they should be able to help you, #debian isn't very related to emacs |
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| 10:57.01 | hexnewbie | /run is created on boot, and the creation of /run/user/1000 should be done properly by Debian. It might be a bug of sorts? |
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| 10:57.56 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: yeah, it shouldn't have been root:root |
| 10:58.31 | JyZyXEL | im sure i didn't chown it myself |
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| 10:58.54 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Run mount and see if anything is mounted on /run/user/1000 |
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| 10:59.30 | JyZyXEL | tmpfs on /run/user/1000 type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,size=1541880k,mode=700,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 10:59.35 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: systemd handles the creation of the folder (I think), and mounts a tmpfs over it. If it isn't mounted, that might be the reason for the wrong permissions - they are passed through... |
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| 10:59.44 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Yeah, you see where they are passed. :) |
| 11:00.11 | JyZyXEL | really weird that somehow pulse was owned by root |
| 11:00.20 | JyZyXEL | maybe a reboot would've fixed it |
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| 11:00.27 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: It is profoundly bizarre that a tmpfs mounted with uid=1000 and gid=1000 isn't actually owned by those |
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| 11:01.41 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: A rogue process of sorts chowned it back to root or something? Another possibility, did you use sudo for something that uses sound - that might trigger the creation of things in there |
| 11:02.19 | JyZyXEL | yeah i probably used sudo for something i didn't need to |
| 11:02.43 | JyZyXEL | kind of a nasty pitfall right there |
| 11:03.04 | JyZyXEL | KDE certainly does not tell you what is wrong in that situation |
| 11:03.18 | JyZyXEL | sound just appears not to work for anything using pulse |
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| 11:08.19 | JyZyXEL | is the .asoundrc file still necessary when using pulse? |
| 11:08.39 | JyZyXEL | to make pulse the default alsa device |
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| 11:11.46 | davidKatara | why everyone uses pulseaudio over ALSA, I don't get it |
| 11:13.02 | hexnewbie | davidKatara: Because it's betteR? |
| 11:14.05 | hexnewbie | Besides, it brings some relief after the half-baked mess that was ALSA replaced OSS. |
| 11:14.19 | davidKatara | but it goes thru ALSA anyways, doesn't it? and what do you exactly mean by better haha |
| 11:14.31 | JyZyXEL | and now we have a even bigger mess \o/ |
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| 11:14.46 | davidKatara | i guess i'm missing something because ALSA works flawlessly for me |
| 11:15.03 | davidKatara | and pusle is the one that caused me issues always, so I always remove it |
| 11:15.15 | hexnewbie | Sure, but at least with PulseAudio you can do the things that ALSA's design doesn't allow or makes too difficult, even though it's already too complex |
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| 11:16.44 | davidKatara | hmm, whatever you prefer I guess, I just find it interesting that Pulse never worked well for me and everyone prefers it |
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| 11:17.00 | davidKatara | I actually use JACK thru ALSA for everything, but yeah |
| 11:17.28 | hexnewbie | You *could* achieve soundcard switching, volume overdrive, per-application volume controls, bluetooth headphones with ALSA's plugin architecture, but then you'd want to kill yourself :) |
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| 11:18.14 | davidKatara | oh, now I see why |
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| 11:18.27 | davidKatara | thanks |
| 11:18.38 | wbk | somebody use debian 8 on virtualbox as guest? |
| 11:19.07 | davidKatara | wbk: not me, but we might still help, what's the problem |
| 11:19.10 | hexnewbie | There's also the nice moment that the OpenSSH in Jessie can forward sockets, so you could achieve SSH forwarding of sound with Pulse. I haven't tried that yet, but I have missed this in the past |
| 11:19.38 | wbk | glxgears | grep opengl gives some error |
| 11:19.56 | wbk | libGL error: core dri or dri2 extension not found |
| 11:19.56 | wbk | libGL error: failed to load driver: vboxvideo |
| 11:20.04 | wbk | but guestadditions are installed |
| 11:20.24 | davidKatara | hexnewbie: that sounds fun, but couldn't the same be done with `arecord -f cd`. it outputs an audio stream to stdout which you could pipe into SSH technically, i guess :) |
| 11:20.34 | hexnewbie | wbk: By guest addons you mean, the virtualbox-ose-* packages *from Debian*, correct? |
| 11:20.53 | davidKatara | wbk: have you tried loading the kernel modules for guest addons with modprobe |
| 11:21.09 | davidKatara | wbk: that should work automatically AFAIK |
| 11:21.13 | wbk | hexnewbie, i installed guest additions by mounting the iso and running LinuxGuestAdditions.sh |
| 11:21.16 | hexnewbie | davidKatara: Oh, I have done that, but you couldn't forward the sound in Iceweasel that way :) |
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| 11:21.43 | hexnewbie | wbk: There are Debian packages, which is supported and preferred way to do this. :) |
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| 11:22.14 | wbk | hexnewbie, instead of installing guestadditions by the iso? |
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| 11:22.20 | hexnewbie | wbk: Of course |
| 11:23.08 | davidKatara | wbk: try doing `lsmod` and see are there any vbox or virtualbox modules mentioned |
| 11:23.20 | davidKatara | wbk: there should be if it's all good |
| 11:23.33 | wbk | http://sprunge.us/IEBB |
| 11:23.37 | wbk | this is the output |
| 11:25.13 | wbk | hexnewbie: claudio@debian:~$ sudo apt-cache search virtualbox-ose-* |
| 11:25.17 | wbk | no results on this |
| 11:26.24 | hexnewbie | wbk: Sorry, my bad, the packages are virtualbox-guest-x11 and virtualbox-guest-dkms (there are also virtualbox-guest-utils) |
| 11:26.33 | davidKatara | wbk: for some reason, my browser shows a blank page of that link of yours |
| 11:26.41 | hexnewbie | wbk: But try loading the modules first. By the way, your paste has no output in it |
| 11:26.47 | wbk | davidKatara, sorry, it's my problem |
| 11:26.58 | davidKatara | wbk: do `aptitude search virtualbox` and see what's offered |
| 11:27.48 | wbk | davidKatara: http://sprunge.us/DfOH |
| 11:28.26 | davidKatara | wbk: well, they appear to be loaded correctly, including vboxvideo |
| 11:28.33 | hexnewbie | wbk: So if the modules are loaded, you might be missing the X11 libraries required for DRI. |
| 11:28.41 | davidKatara | wbk: have you tried rebooting maybe |
| 11:28.51 | hexnewbie | wbk: Did you restart X (or reboot) after installing the additions? |
| 11:28.53 | wbk | hexnewbie: |
| 11:28.54 | wbk | claudio@debian:~$ sudo apt-cache search virtualbox-guest-x11 |
| 11:28.54 | wbk | claudio@debian:~$ |
| 11:29.11 | wbk | davidKatara, i tried all |
| 11:29.18 | davidKatara | wbk: yeah, you really need to at least restart X for addons to work, I know from experience |
| 11:29.24 | davidKatara | wbk: well, I dunno then |
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| 11:29.42 | hexnewbie | wbk: Those might be in non-free or contrib, I don't remembr |
| 11:30.19 | wbk | hexnewbie, basic function of vbox like mouse integration or shared folders are working |
| 11:30.30 | wbk | looks like only a video problem |
| 11:30.48 | wbk | infact i installed docky, and i have no animations for this problem |
| 11:30.55 | hexnewbie | wbk: That suggests you're using the proper driver, but either DRI libraries are missing, or you haven't enabled acceleration in the VMs config |
| 11:31.26 | wbk | hardware acceleration is enabled |
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| 11:31.35 | wbk | but somebody told me that not works with opengl 3 |
| 11:31.49 | wbk | what about dri libraries? |
| 11:31.55 | wbk | how to check if they are or not? |
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| 11:32.26 | hexnewbie | wbk: vboxvideo_dri.so |
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| 11:32.40 | wbk | hexnewbie, is a module? |
| 11:32.44 | hexnewbie | wbk: ls /usr/lib/*/dri/vboxvideo_dri.so |
| 11:32.52 | hexnewbie | Or echo for that matter. :) |
| 11:33.05 | wbk | claudio@debian:~$ ls /usr/lib/*/dri/vboxvideo_dri.so |
| 11:33.18 | wbk | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/vboxvideo_dri.so |
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| 11:33.36 | wbk | so, it is |
| 11:33.37 | hexnewbie | wbk: So that's not the issue... :) |
| 11:33.37 | wbk | :\ |
| 11:36.11 | hexnewbie | wbk: What about /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vboxvideo_drv.so ? |
| 11:37.11 | wbk | hexnewbie, it is |
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| 11:54.34 | davidKatara | hey, anyone knows how do I get the little Volume control icon in XFCE panel |
| 11:54.59 | davidKatara | I'm on Jessie 32bit with XFCE, and it's not in the list of items I can add to the panel |
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| 11:55.16 | davidKatara | but I had in in both Xubuntu and Arch when I used them before |
| 11:55.27 | DalekSec | davidKatara: You can use volumeicon for one solution. |
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| 11:55.50 | DalekSec | (Xubuntu uses indicator-sound, but that's more of an Ubuntu thing. Not sure what Manjaro uses.) |
| 11:56.01 | davidKatara | oh, I am really dumb, just found it, it's called audio mixer |
| 11:56.22 | DalekSec | Isn't that the gstreamer based one? |
| 11:56.28 | davidKatara | I kept looking for ones named volume and sound, that's why i missed it |
| 11:56.47 | davidKatara | hmm, i don't think so |
| 11:57.09 | davidKatara | It affects the master in alsamixer, i even get the notification just like I did in Xubuntu |
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| 11:57.38 | davidKatara | problem solved haha, thanks anyways :D |
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| 11:58.20 | DalekSec | xfce4-mixer is the gstreamer one, and as it only works with gstreamer0.10 and not 1.0, won't be too long until it disappears. |
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| 11:59.13 | DalekSec | (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785846 FWIW) |
| 11:59.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785846 in src:xfce4-mixer (open): «xfce4-mixer: Please update to GStreamer 1.x»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-20; last modified: 2015-05-20. |
| 11:59.21 | davidKatara | I don't use gstreamer but this does work perfectly. like I said, it's the same thing as alsamixer |
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| 11:59.39 | davidKatara | i don't see gstreamer mentioned anywhere, and I don't even have it installed |
| 12:00.11 | garyDavid | Hi! |
| 12:00.25 | davidKatara | hi garyDavid |
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| 12:12.17 | JyZyXEL | how do i list all the packages installed from deb-multimedia? |
| 12:12.22 | knivsta | hi |
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| 12:14.03 | rozie | JyZyXEL: not sure if this will work, but wajig versions may be helpful |
| 12:14.05 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: I hope `dpkg -l | fgrep dmo | egrep ^ii' is correct, although I am not sure. |
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| 12:15.45 | JyZyXEL | ugh, 100 packages from there :) |
| 12:15.59 | JyZyXEL | no wonder i have weird media problems |
| 12:16.58 | hexnewbie | Yes, one of the problem with deb-multimedia is the fact that it includes 100000 unnecessary packages that will get installed even if you don't want them |
| 12:17.35 | hexnewbie | Now that Debian includes mplayer2 I might need to give up my addiction to it. |
| 12:17.52 | JyZyXEL | i don't actually know if i even need deb-multimedia |
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| 12:21.14 | JyZyXEL | im gonna try and downgrade to jessie versions |
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| 12:21.56 | davidKatara | yeah, I only installed ffmpeg from there and realized it's getting messy already |
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| 12:22.08 | davidKatara | i like my sources.list to be nothing but official jessie stuff |
| 12:23.28 | JyZyXEL | i pinned Pin: origin *.deb-multimedia.org with 1 |
| 12:23.38 | JyZyXEL | and have *.debian.org 1001 |
| 12:23.50 | JyZyXEL | but apt doesn't offer downgrade |
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| 12:24.11 | JyZyXEL | why not? |
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| 12:24.56 | davidKatara | have no idea, i just removed everything and installed it again from the official sources |
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| 12:25.07 | davidKatara | removed everything I had from deb-multimedia |
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| 12:25.52 | JyZyXEL | its supposed to be possible to downgrade |
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| 12:26.46 | davidKatara | if you just run `apt-get`, it doesn't mention downgrading anywhere |
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| 12:27.41 | davidKatara | apparently, you're supposed to do `dpkg -i` from the local package cache IIRC |
| 12:28.02 | davidKatara | that's how you get older versions, but I'm not sure about it though, research it |
| 12:28.42 | JyZyXEL | no. |
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| 12:29.13 | JyZyXEL | both apt-get and aptitude handle downgrades via the pinning priority system thingy |
| 12:29.31 | davidKatara | oh, I don't know anything about that though |
| 12:29.42 | JyZyXEL | almost nobody does |
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| 12:29.56 | davidKatara | google does :) |
| 12:30.25 | davidKatara | yeah, 'cause no one really does anything more than install, remove, update, upgrade, autoremove and that's it |
| 12:30.49 | davidKatara | ocassionally `aptitude search something` |
| 12:31.29 | valdyn | davidKatara: downgrading is not supported by the packages, the tools (apt-get or aptitude) do it just fine |
| 12:33.15 | davidKatara | valdyn: ok, I was mistaken then, thanks |
| 12:33.55 | valdyn | davidKatara: so downgrading works in most cases, but when the package would need to run some kind of reversion script, then that script does not exist. |
| 12:34.25 | davidKatara | valdyn: oh yeah, good point |
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| 12:39.32 | JyZyXEL | oh yeah, i have a default release set |
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| 12:44.53 | madrik | Is there a way to rollback an apt install? Say I install task-gnome-desktop, but don't like GNOME. Is there a way to remove every package that line installed? |
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| 12:46.11 | davidKatara | do `apt-get remove task-gnome-desktop` and after that, do `apt-get autoremove` |
| 12:46.16 | davidKatara | that should do it |
| 12:46.59 | JyZyXEL | are apt preferences first or last match based? |
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| 12:48.46 | madrik | davidKatara: Thanks. |
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| 12:49.39 | madrik | Some guy on reddit said that one point yum/dnf beat apt was the history and rollback mechanism. I had almost bought it. |
| 12:50.05 | SuperTramp83 | I had no problem with this on xfce but on mate I can't get conky to autostart. how do I get it to autostart on boot? |
| 12:50.42 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: what kind of a problem? you just add `conky` command in XFCE's startup list |
| 12:51.05 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: oh, you're using MATE now, sorry, not familiar with it |
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| 12:52.09 | SuperTramp83 | I used Xfce for a long time and had no issue at all. Wanted to give MATE a second try and it runs great but no matter what I do the conky doesn't autostart |
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| 12:53.05 | SuperTramp83 | And also shutdown takes 30 seconds. If I shutdown from terminal it takes 5.. |
| 12:53.11 | Brigo | SuperTramp83, startup application from system |
| 12:53.16 | SuperTramp83 | but other than that it is great |
| 12:53.35 | SuperTramp83 | Brigo: yeah I set it there but nope.. |
| 12:53.39 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: well of course, if you do `sudo halt -pf` from a terminal it takes half a second :D |
| 12:53.40 | Brigo | from system menu |
| 12:53.55 | Brigo | SuperTramp83, i use it all the time without problems. |
| 12:54.24 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: maybe try typing in `conky &` instead of just `conky` |
| 12:54.49 | SuperTramp83 | I see davidKatara. will give it a try |
| 12:54.49 | davidKatara | actually, that won't do much either |
| 12:55.13 | SuperTramp83 | .. |
| 12:55.16 | wbk | somebody of you uses debian in a virtualbox guest with gnome/kde ? |
| 12:55.19 | wbk | it works fast? |
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| 12:56.33 | Shadow` | wbk I have, works quite well |
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| 12:56.58 | wbk | Shadow`, and opengl? |
| 12:57.07 | wbk | is working? |
| 12:57.13 | wbk | you have 3d acceleration on? |
| 12:57.16 | Shadow` | ye, hardware acceleration is a pain on virtualbox |
| 12:57.28 | Shadow` | it says its working, never really seen it do much |
| 12:57.41 | SuperTramp83 | davidKatara: I have /usr/bin/conky in startup applications just as I have /usr/bin/plank and plank works perfectly fine (autostarts on boot) bu conky doesn't .. |
| 12:57.51 | wbk | can you show me the output of "glxgears | grep open" please? |
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| 12:58.15 | Shadow` | wbk sure one moment |
| 12:58.46 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: maybe permissions issue or something. can you open a terminal right now and just type in `killall conky; sleep 2; conky` and tell me what happens |
| 12:59.15 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: does conky start fine or you get some errors |
| 12:59.45 | Shadow` | wbk: ton of errors but i see 3 gears |
| 12:59.52 | Shadow` | errors=warnings |
| 13:00.10 | wbk | Shadow`, last lines, are errors? |
| 13:00.15 | wbk | last 2 - 3 lines |
| 13:00.26 | Shadow` | opengl warning: gltestfencenv not found in mesa table |
| 13:00.27 | Shadow` | last one |
| 13:00.36 | Shadow` | above glsetfencenv, glisfencenv |
| 13:00.46 | wbk | nothing about "dri" ? |
| 13:00.56 | Shadow` | nope |
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| 13:01.14 | Shadow` | its a debian mint tho |
| 13:01.15 | wbk | ok thank you |
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| 13:01.22 | wbk | debian mint ? |
| 13:01.22 | SuperTramp83 | davidKatara: it kills the process and restarts it. I do get this output though: Conky: /home/gnu/.conkyrc: 15: config file error |
| 13:01.22 | SuperTramp83 | Conky: one or more $endif's are missing Conky: forked to background, pid is 2348 |
| 13:01.26 | Shadow` | the main debian vm is on vmware |
| 13:01.36 | Shadow` | the debian version of ubuntu mint |
| 13:01.44 | Shadow` | inception |
| 13:02.07 | davidKatara | SuperTramp83: your .conkyrc is messed up, but conky is now running despite the errors, right? |
| 13:02.15 | SuperTramp83 | yes |
| 13:02.23 | davidKatara | hmm, weird |
| 13:02.33 | davidKatara | it should work from the startup then |
| 13:02.45 | SuperTramp83 | It's the same conkyrc I used without any issue on xfce |
| 13:03.13 | SuperTramp83 | will try and see with another conkyrc |
| 13:04.27 | davidKatara | nah, i don't think that will do much, if conky doesn't show up at all but works fine from the terminal, it's a different issue then |
| 13:04.31 | davidKatara | something weird |
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| 13:06.23 | davidKatara | maybe it's a permission thing, or MATE is running things in startup as a different user |
| 13:07.05 | SuperTramp83 | well I fixed the conkyrc and the output of the command doesn't give that error anymore |
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| 13:07.17 | SuperTramp83 | will try and reboot. anyway thx |
| 13:07.33 | davidKatara | you could add `xterm -e whoami\;read` to startup in MATE and see if it prints out your username or something else |
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| 13:08.05 | davidKatara | assuming you have xterm, but you should |
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| 13:09.14 | davidKatara | if it prints out some other username, than you need to give it permissions to execute /usr/bin/conky or do a `chown` |
| 13:09.30 | davidKatara | but then again, how is it reading your ~/.conkyrc then.. really weird issue |
| 13:10.48 | wbk | Shadow`, which guest additions have you used? |
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| 13:24.12 | monsune | does it make any sense to zip and store a sparse file? i mean what will happen if i put it on another filesystem and unzip? |
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| 13:26.13 | hexnewbie | monsune: Many utils handle sparse files correctly. I am not sure if zip is one of them - you should test it. It won't work if someone unzips it on an OS/FS without sparse file support |
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| 13:26.43 | hexnewbie | Oh, well |
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| 14:10.42 | AvatarA | Anybody on Debian Stretch that can play mp4 files in Totem? |
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| 14:50.45 | dot | hello, I have one quick question, is raid driver cciss included in iso download image ? |
| 14:55.30 | AvatarA | I see I have it: linux-image-4.1.0-1-686-pae: /lib/modules/4.1.0-1-686-pae/kernel/drivers/block/cciss.ko |
| 14:55.54 | AvatarA | so it's probably the same for whatever iso you're trying to download |
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| 14:58.11 | dot | AvatarA: ok perfect |
| 14:58.22 | dot | but is this in dvd image or also in netinst image ? |
| 14:58.40 | AvatarA | I installed with netinst |
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| 14:59.18 | AvatarA | but I see it's included in the linux kernel |
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| 14:59.45 | AvatarA | so no way you'll miss it |
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| 15:02.31 | dot | AvatarA: ok perfect, what about hpsa ? |
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| 15:06.21 | AvatarA | also in the linux-image package, in modules directory but this is post-install I have no idea what is available on iso boot |
| 15:07.26 | dot | ok thank you |
| 15:07.39 | AvatarA | go with a live image iso if uncertain |
| 15:07.49 | dot | i think with this included drivers raid controler should be detected for the HP ProLiant Dl380 G5 |
| 15:09.46 | AvatarA | I remember there is a step somewhere during install where you can configure your raid devices |
| 15:09.48 | garyDavid | Holy fuck! |
| 15:09.55 | AvatarA | before partitioning |
| 15:09.56 | garyDavid | I think I may have been just hacked |
| 15:10.09 | garyDavid | And I think I still am - as I speak. |
| 15:10.20 | garyDavid | I was just scanning files and then I saw my camera light lit. |
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| 15:10.40 | garyDavid | I tried scanning new docs but instead showed me snapshots taken from my built in laptop camera |
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| 15:10.53 | garyDavid | I ran rkhunter and now now I have 2 suspected files. |
| 15:11.01 | garyDavid | Am I being hacked? |
| 15:11.13 | eb0t | no |
| 15:11.25 | garyDavid | The Simple Scan program still takes snapshots of me when I try to scan anew. |
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| 15:11.40 | garyDavid | What could be 'causing the snapshots then? |
| 15:12.06 | garyDavid | I expect to be very secure with Debian, I know that no distro is but I expect more than this. |
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| 15:12.21 | garyDavid | If this is really a malicious hack, that is to say. |
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| 15:13.23 | mtn | smells a troll must be the weekend |
| 15:13.35 | AvatarA | it's not like your camera started taking snapshots when your computer was idle |
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| 15:15.40 | AvatarA | and Debian is not secure at all if you run a ssh server, allow root logins and your password is password |
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| 15:33.32 | f-a | hello, I am trying to find wether a process is running, I wrote this: |
| 15:33.33 | f-a | if [ pifod xombrero == "" ]; then echo "a"; else echo "b"; fi; |
| 15:33.49 | f-a | but I get a `-bash: [: too many arguments` |
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| 15:35.26 | TJ- | f-a: "pidof xombrero && echo a || echo b" |
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| 15:36.00 | f-a | thanks TJ- |
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| 15:36.27 | samlero | or change your logic to use != |
| 15:36.43 | c0fe | anyone here familiar with openvz debian precreated template? |
| 15:36.48 | c0fe | i know they have a channel on here but it is quiet |
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| 15:37.25 | samlero | c0fe: they use telepathy - so ask your question and check in every so often |
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| 15:38.13 | c0fe | well i wanted to know if the openvz debian precreated templates have the firewall removed |
| 15:41.11 | davidKatara | f-a: you could also use `pgrep` |
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| 15:46.17 | samlero | c0fe: nothing should mess with the firewall |
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| 15:46.42 | samlero | but if it does that is not the lonix way |
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| 15:51.38 | davidKatara | on the topic of firewalls, is iptables a firewall, or can I use it to prevent my machine from sending packets everywhere except on a single port |
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| 15:52.47 | Equa | davidKatara: iptables is a firewall |
| 15:53.17 | samlero | davidKatara: yes and yes |
| 15:53.34 | davidKatara | thanks guys, I'll read up on how to use it |
| 15:53.52 | samlero | but why would you want to only send out on a single port? |
| 15:54.08 | samlero | 80? |
| 15:54.11 | davidKatara | I've had some experiences with it, but didn't really thought it was a full firewall |
| 15:54.31 | davidKatara | my machine leaks some stuff due to some servers I was messing with |
| 15:54.33 | samlero | it is good for everything by dhcp |
| 15:54.42 | davidKatara | leaks random packets that I don't really need |
| 15:54.45 | samlero | by/but |
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| 15:54.59 | samlero | no such thing as leaking random packets |
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| 15:55.10 | samlero | something is sending them on purpose |
| 15:55.30 | davidKatara | yeah, what I mean is, I have some services on that I need to keep on but prevent them from sending stuff out |
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| 15:56.08 | davidKatara | anyways, thanks, I'm checking the manpage out |
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| 16:05.13 | davidKatara | how do I rename a disk from a terminal? in thunar I have just like "80 GB Volume" etc |
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| 16:05.33 | davidKatara | doens't offer a rename option though |
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| 16:07.24 | frostschutz | davidKatara, depends on the filesystem, e.g. e2label for ext2/3/4 |
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| 16:08.47 | davidKatara | oh thanks frostschutz |
| 16:09.03 | OldParr | my instalation of pspp is completely in spanish but i want to change it to english, how do i do it ? |
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| 16:12.46 | samlero | did you install the pspp version? |
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| 16:14.18 | OldParr | samlero: 0.7.9 |
| 16:14.32 | samlero | locale ? |
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| 16:14.48 | samlero | anything else in spanish? |
| 16:15.16 | OldParr | samlero: i think is locale because is a normal computer, my complete debian is in spanish |
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| 16:15.23 | CandyGumdrop | What's the best way to install Debian mips64el? |
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| 16:16.45 | Luminary | i have a vanilla kernel and dracut and during boot I get this message: cfg80211: calling CRDA to update world regulatory. any ideas how to solve this? |
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| 16:17.59 | c0fe | debian 8 uses firewalld or iptables? |
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| 16:18.42 | Equa | c0fe: no firewall setup. iptables comes with the kernel |
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| 16:18.56 | c0fe | Equa: i see ok |
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| 16:20.43 | samlero | Luminary: update world regulatory ? apt-get purge new-world-order |
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| 16:21.19 | c0fe | apt-get new-world-order ftw |
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| 16:21.40 | Luminary | so i need to run that? |
| 16:21.51 | c0fe | Luminary: very much |
| 16:21.54 | Luminary | new-world-order? what does that do? |
| 16:22.56 | c0fe | makes you a cog in the machine |
| 16:23.30 | AvatarA | like it isn't already so... |
| 16:23.51 | AvatarA | old-world-order sucks and no update can solve it |
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| 16:25.04 | AvatarA | Luminary, apt-get install crda |
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| 16:25.39 | Luminary | AvatarA, its already upto date |
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| 16:26.04 | AvatarA | if it only appears once, don't worry about it. it's alright |
| 16:26.41 | Luminary | AvatarA, its every boot and it doesnt boot so i cannot use my laptop :D |
| 16:27.52 | AvatarA | crda has nothing to do with the ability to boot |
| 16:27.57 | AvatarA | something else is causing the problem |
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| 16:34.12 | samlero | give it time - it might be trying to create your /dev - |
| 16:34.37 | samlero | Luminary: did it ever boot after the install? |
| 16:34.55 | Luminary | samlero, never |
| 16:35.05 | davidKatara | does iptables remember the rules after a reboot? |
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| 16:35.47 | Luminary | this is a log from dracut if its any useful: http://dpaste.com/339FPRP |
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| 16:35.58 | Equa | davidKatara: no. you need to create a script to do that. https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 16:36.27 | davidKatara | ok, thanks Equa :) |
| 16:36.38 | chachan | hey guys, I have a install.sh scripts which I want to execute with sudo, but there're certain commands inside that I don't want to be executed as root. Is there a way to ignore sudo behavior even if I run the command with sudo? |
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| 16:36.45 | Equa | np |
| 16:36.55 | chachan | I wouldn't like to split this file |
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| 16:37.14 | SolarNRG | what's the deal with printers |
| 16:37.18 | SolarNRG | can i print in debian? |
| 16:37.34 | chachan | SolarNRG: yes |
| 16:37.41 | SolarNRG | do i need to install drivers? |
| 16:38.00 | chachan | SolarNRG: probably |
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| 16:38.26 | davidKatara | chachan: use `sudo -u yourUserName` to sudo as a different user instead of root |
| 16:38.39 | chachan | davidKatara: perfect! |
| 16:38.43 | SolarNRG | canon says they don't support my model of printer, does that mean I need another printer that Debian will support? |
| 16:39.05 | davidKatara | chachan: make sure to test it, though |
| 16:39.11 | chachan | SolarNRG: not necessarily |
| 16:39.33 | chachan | davidKatara: yes, I'm running a lot of tests to make sure of it. Thanks! |
| 16:39.49 | davidKatara | chachan: np |
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| 16:40.41 | SolarNRG | Do you think it's possible Microsoft have lobbied printer manufacturers to not provide linux drivers in effort to force more people onto windows thus boosting microsoft profits? |
| 16:41.32 | valdyn | SolarNRG: manufacturers dont need to be lobbied to have bad support |
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| 16:41.46 | samlero | Luminary: then redo the installation - it either isn't finished or ... |
| 16:42.30 | Luminary | samlero, sorry what do you mean? |
| 16:42.32 | SolarNRG | valdyn are they just lazy? |
| 16:42.54 | samlero | no to busy on facebook |
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| 16:46.32 | thepeter | Hi I know it is probably not the best idea but I would like to use ubuntu-sdk under debian |
| 16:46.52 | thepeter | is it possible? |
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| 16:57.23 | SolarNRG | will linux 32 bit drivers work on a linux 64 bit system? |
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| 16:58.14 | davidKatara | SolarNRG: of course not |
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| 16:59.19 | SolarNRG | what's debians equiv of mspaint? |
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| 16:59.48 | Shadow` | gimp |
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| 17:05.03 | SolarNRG | arrgh prinstcreen doesn't save to clipboard on this os |
| 17:05.13 | SolarNRG | how do I do the equiv of printscreen in debian? |
| 17:05.27 | davidKatara | download "scrot" and bind it to printscreen |
| 17:06.10 | davidKatara | `apt-get install scrot` |
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| 17:06.41 | t4bme | I would like to have additional private subdomains (for a domain I own) in my LAN. I guess I could probably set up the bind9 I already have serving only this LAN to do this? Or is that un unpractical idea? Should I just use some made up domain name, ".home" or something? |
| 17:06.44 | r6ku | xfce comes with a screenshot utility, not sure about other DEs, also gimp finally has a single window mode :) |
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| 17:08.18 | samlero | wine mspaint |
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| 17:09.48 | r6ku | the closest thing to mspaint is probably pinta |
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| 17:23.29 | brontosaurusrex | t4bme: you can have any domain name inside the lan |
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| 17:27.35 | nilx | gpaint is closer to mspaint imo, but pinta has simple photo editing stuff like crop etc |
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| 17:30.15 | t4bme | brontosaurusrex: But will it break my domain if I use it? Say I have a master dns server in my LAN for my domain t4b.me with the subdomains a.local b.local c.local. Will the subdomain www which is configured on the "real" internet facing dns server still be reachable from my LAN? |
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| 17:31.25 | brontosaurusrex | t4bme: actually all do is edit my hosts file (only two machines) |
| 17:31.42 | brontosaurusrex | but the procedure should be the same |
| 17:32.15 | t4bme | brontosaurusrex: But the dhcp server can auto-update bind. I don't know how it would auto-update my hosts file |
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| 17:33.15 | t4bme | brontosaurusrex: The procedure is probably the same technically, I just can't find docs on how to set it up. I guess trial and error it'll be |
| 17:33.18 | mcgreg | hi |
| 17:33.47 | mcgreg | please tell me how to disable the "top left hot corner"-feature from gnome classic |
| 17:33.54 | mcgreg | it is so terribly annoying |
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| 17:34.28 | t4bme | mcgreg: It's somewhere in the settings, you can disable it by clicking around the menus. Can't help you with the exact place. |
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| 17:35.32 | samlero | i want a hot top left corner |
| 17:35.33 | fil01 | Need little help - can not make debian Live on my usb, I try with UNetbootin and with Startup Disk Creator (cause now I use Ubuntu OS). Anyone to help? |
| 17:36.11 | srvk | fil01: unetbootin is not reliable for making bootable debian livecds, I don;t know why |
| 17:36.12 | srvk | you can make one with the dd command |
| 17:36.31 | samlero | brontosaurusrex: hosts is 'poor' mans dns - populate it galore |
| 17:37.02 | fil01 | srvk: How to use dd command, where to find tutorial about this, maybe on Google, Youtube etc? |
| 17:37.27 | srvk | dd will make a bit to bit copy of a file to a directory, and in linux your devices are also files. First you must find out the name of your device, open the disk manager or gparted and check the name of the usb, it hsould be /dev/sdX where X is a letter like a,b,c... |
| 17:37.46 | nilx | fil01: you could do just that.. do a google search. or read the dd manual page: `man dd` |
| 17:38.09 | srvk | be careful with dd, because you can accidentally overwrite your hard drive instead of the usb |
| 17:38.31 | nilx | common usage: `sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX && sync` |
| 17:38.35 | davidKatara | fil01: do this `dd if=path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/yourUSB bs=32M` |
| 17:38.57 | fil01 | Ok guys, thank you very much. I will be careful srvk. To do this? Wait, I must copy paste this command :) |
| 17:39.05 | davidKatara | fil01: yeah |
| 17:39.18 | davidKatara | fil01: obviously edit the paths |
| 17:39.29 | nilx | fil01: `lsblk` can give you a quick list of your devices and their sd* names |
| 17:39.31 | srvk | on that command 'if' means input file and 'of' means output file |
| 17:39.43 | davidKatara | fil01: open another terminal and type in `killall -USR1 dd` to have dd print out the progress |
| 17:39.47 | samlero | dd is too powerful for how easy it is to use |
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| 17:39.58 | davidKatara | dd is awesome |
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| 17:40.10 | Hazel_eyes | Hello! Would anyone like to chat with me? |
| 17:40.14 | nilx | I agree samlero and davidKatara |
| 17:40.25 | fil01 | have a question: Debian Iso must be on home, right? |
| 17:40.26 | srvk | that killall tip is mana from heaven to me right now |
| 17:40.27 | davidKatara | in the right hands, it's magical, in the wrong hands, it's death |
| 17:40.34 | fil01 | Or in Downloads folder? |
| 17:40.36 | davidKatara | fil01: wherever |
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| 17:40.53 | nilx | fil01: it can be anywhere really, just somewhere in your home directory for convenience |
| 17:41.02 | davidKatara | fil01: just point to it if=/home/username/debian8.iso for example, it's irrelevant |
| 17:41.19 | srvk | Hazel_eyes: if you have a question about debian, this is the place to ask, for offtopic chat you can go to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:41.19 | fil01 | Thank you all guys, now I will try to do. Wish me luck :) |
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| 17:41.30 | davidKatara | fil01: do NOT put in the wrong /dev/sdX |
| 17:41.36 | davidKatara | and run it with sudo |
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| 17:42.04 | davidKatara | run `lsblk` to double check your dev name |
| 17:42.14 | fil01 | Ok davidKatara I will, but my device is /dev/sdb1. Should I put no.1 on the end? |
| 17:42.27 | srvk | if it's dev/sdb1 it's probably wrong |
| 17:42.41 | srvk | sdb1 is a partition in sdb |
| 17:42.56 | davidKatara | fil01: no |
| 17:42.58 | fil01 | Wrong? Why? Then what I shuold do? |
| 17:43.08 | srvk | you want to write it to the device itself, can you tell us what you see with lsblk? |
| 17:43.11 | fil01 | Ok, I will try and hope all be good :) |
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| 17:43.29 | davidKatara | don't hope, you'll make a serious mess |
| 17:43.38 | davidKatara | if you do it wrong, dd is ruthless |
| 17:43.41 | samlero | or tun fdisk -l |
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| 17:44.13 | davidKatara | if you are 100% sure your device is /dev/sdb, do it |
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| 17:44.49 | fil01 | This is command lsblk |
| 17:44.55 | fil01 | sda 8:0 0 465,8G 0 disk ââsda1 8:1 0 1K 0 part ââsda2 8:2 0 5,1G 0 part [SWAP] ââsda5 8:5 0 169,9G 0 part /media/pc/01CEB76EAD2CC100 ââsda6 8:6 0 245G 0 part /media/pc/01CEB76EC9C8F900 ââsda7 8:7 0 15G 0 part /home ââsda8 8:8 0 10,2G 0 part / sdb 8:16 1 15G 0 disk ââsdb1 8:17 1 15G 0 part /media/pc/9D80-E065 sr0 11:0 1 102 |
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| 17:44.59 | nilx | yeah, `fdisk -l` will probably provide a more readable output for you, fil01 |
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| 17:46.02 | davidKatara | fil01: we don't know what your device is, and use http://paste.debian.org for that |
| 17:46.25 | davidKatara | look at the sizes |
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| 17:50.16 | c0fe | how can i install crontab if cronie is not available as a package in debian 8? |
| 17:51.00 | nilx | uh oh, let's hope fil101 didn't choose /dev/sda |
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| 17:55.03 | samlero | you know he did ;) |
| 17:55.44 | samlero | c0fe: i installed vixie-cron from source |
| 17:56.10 | ZIPY | can jhead shift timestamps of fotos by a specific time? (for example 3days, 2hours) |
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| 17:56.28 | samlero | ... but touch can |
| 17:56.29 | ZIPY | i have a batch of photos which are all dated wrong |
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| 17:57.23 | samlero | ZIPY: the photos are dated after they were suppose to show ...... :) |
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| 17:57.46 | samlero | if you need to photoshop the date on the newspaper - use gimp |
| 17:58.07 | ZIPY | 1700 pics |
| 17:58.11 | ZIPY | with gimp? |
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| 18:00.22 | Noah0504 | I know how to compile and build the kernel the "Debian" way, but how would I go about winding up source packages as well if I wanted host them in a repo? |
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| 18:06.12 | c0fe | i got a strange problem where if i check for the status of iptables i get this error message: Failed to restart iptables.service: Unit iptables.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
| 18:06.17 | c0fe | but iptables is installed |
| 18:07.08 | fil01 | Again me guys. When I run this command sudo dd if=path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=32 , I´ve got this error - dd: failed to open âpath/to/debian.isoâ: No such file or directory |
| 18:07.34 | fil01 | I copy iso file to the Home, and rename to debian.iso |
| 18:07.54 | jmcnaught | c0fe: how are you checking the status of iptables? |
| 18:07.58 | samlero | /path/to/debian.iso |
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| 18:08.21 | c0fe | jmcnaught: service iptables status |
| 18:08.48 | jmcnaught | fil01: you can just you cp instead of dd. "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" |
| 18:09.33 | jmcnaught | c0fe: oh i see. iptables isn't a service that runs in the background. it's a command that configures the netfilter firewall built into the kernel |
| 18:09.42 | aedinius | fil01: sudo dd if=~/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4K |
| 18:09.42 | samlero | indeed - i think this is the first time he mentioned a file (debian.iso) as what he wanted to copy |
| 18:09.56 | c0fe | jmcnaught: i see |
| 18:10.46 | jmcnaught | c0fe: use a command like "iptables -L -n -v" to see the list of rules you have configured |
| 18:10.59 | c0fe | ok thanks jmcnaught |
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| 18:11.23 | nilx | fil01: "/path/to/" was just an example, because we didn't know the path to your iso file. if it is sitting in ~ (your home directory), its path should be ~/debian.iso |
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| 18:17.08 | samlero | c0fe: be physically on the machine you are playing iptables firewaller on ... |
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| 18:17.50 | tomnor | My touchpad started to freeze suddenly on my laptop. A Samsung RV515. Anyone with a similar experience. |
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| 18:18.03 | c0fe | samlero: i am |
| 18:18.11 | tomnor | My only work-around so far has been reboot. |
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| 18:21.11 | tomnor | Now I have rebooted and mouse is still working fine. One difference is that I have not started my browser -- Iceweasel -- is there any chance in hell that that has to do with it? |
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| 18:22.26 | jelly | tomnor: look at dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log when it happens the next time. Also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. See if there are any clues. |
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| 18:22.50 | jelly | (does something happen in the logs when the input device starts misbehaving) |
| 18:23.47 | tomnor | @jelly: I did look at dmesg, it said something about "missed byte 6" or similar, and then "resynching" |
| 18:25.00 | tomnor | jelly: did not check otheer logs. Will check next time. |
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| 18:25.26 | jelly | right, that already points to a possibly driver issue |
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| 18:26.29 | tomnor | jelly: But it kind of should not freeze due to some missed synch, or? |
| 18:26.56 | tomnor | How to examine driver issues |
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| 18:27.38 | tomnor | Driver by the way -- so I should update something? |
| 18:28.08 | tomnor | Guide me how to know what driver I have so I can update it. |
| 18:30.34 | jelly | tomnor: you can't do much except hope it's fixed in some later kernel (most drivers come with the kernel) |
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| 18:31.25 | Smither | Hey, I'm trying to install Debian on my acer laptop but it keeps freezing during the "select and install software stage" if i am in terminal 4 then it crashes on the line "processing triggers for libc-bin" and I can't change from terminal 4 back to terminal 1 or from 1 to four. I have to take the power out to shut it down and restart. I have tried several times, and I have no idea what is going wrong. I have tried google |
| 18:31.25 | Smither | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.21 | tomnor | jelly: But there was never any problem up to today. And I have had Jessie for I think two months. |
| 18:33.36 | jelly | interesting |
| 18:33.53 | tomnor | Although I dont know how many kernel updates I have had since then |
| 18:34.01 | tomnor | Not so many I guess. |
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| 18:34.51 | tomnor | Now I have been up 49 minutes -- no problem |
| 18:35.14 | tomnor | Now I will start my browser and see if something happens. |
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| 18:38.01 | samlero | tomnor: whenyou can access the machine right after boot lsmod > lsmod.txt and then rmmod/modprobe each in turn to see if it loads??? |
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| 18:44.36 | tomnor | samlero: I copy your suggestion and will try it next time it happens. Now still it's working fine. |
| 18:46.10 | shay_shay | anyone still use procmail as a MDA? |
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| 18:47.55 | valdyn | shay_shay: yes |
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| 18:48.05 | shay_shay | i guess if i'm not using a MTA which comes with a MDA i have to use a standalone MDA, and procmail is the most ubiquitous? |
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| 18:49.24 | shay_shay | e.g. fetchmail > procmail > dovecot to mirror an email |
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| 18:50.25 | samlero | tomnor: check the /var/log/messages or kernel logs in /var/log - they should have some info about wayward kernel modules |
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| 18:51.03 | valdyn | !maildrop |
| 18:51.04 | dpkg | maildrop is a mail delivery agent with filtering abilities similar to <procmail>, often used with the Courier mail server. See /usr/share/doc/maildrop/README.Debian, the maildropfilter man page and http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/maildropex.html . http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ |
| 18:51.25 | samlero | wonders why dovecot is being hated |
| 18:51.33 | valdyn | samlero: it isnt |
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| 18:52.29 | valdyn | shay_shay: i have no idea what's popular today, but procmail works fine. |
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| 18:53.36 | valdyn | !mailfilter |
| 18:53.36 | dpkg | methinks mailfilter is a tool to filter spam away from your mailbox contrary to the filtering with promail, mailfilter filters the mail ONLINE which means that it can delete unwanted spam directly from your pop3 account before fetchmail (or your favorite pop3 client) even sees it which can be found at http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:58.18 | samlero | valdyn: does procmail have a /etc/aliases type file? |
| 18:59.51 | shay_shay | valdyn: hmm, thanks. i guess i'll stick with procmail because i'm already somewhat familiar with procmailrc |
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| 19:00.25 | mamins1376 | i configured nullmailer to connect to gmail. here is smarthost settings: |
| 19:00.27 | mamins1376 | smtp.gmail.com smtp --port=465 --user=<my user> --pass=<my pass> |
| 19:00.29 | mamins1376 | but it does not work. log: http://paste.debian.net/293861 |
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| 19:04.15 | samlero | curl -k -v smtps://smtp.gmail.com |
| 19:04.28 | samlero | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.35 | Amun_Ra | 465 should work, too |
| 19:04.41 | Amun_Ra | ah |
| 19:04.57 | Amun_Ra | I missed one 's' in smtps |
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| 19:06.34 | mamins1376 | should i use "gsmtp" instead of "smtp"? |
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| 19:15.36 | mamins1376 | smtp: Failed: Server does not advertise any supported authentication methods |
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| 19:15.39 | mamins1376 | Aug 16 23:45:21 maminsid nullmailer[9005]: Sending failed: Temporary error in sending the message |
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| 19:16.01 | adaro | I am trying to create a .deb file that installs a plugin, the way you do that is to invoke ./plugin with the path to a zip file, and then the server takes care of the rest. I guess i should use the post install script to install the zip file, but how should i package that zip file. since after that command has run, it becomes useless ? |
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| 19:17.31 | Brigo | adaro, you should ask in #debian-mentors in oftc network. |
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| 19:18.14 | adaro | Brigo: ok iâll give that a shot |
| 19:18.28 | Brigo | adaro, good luck :) |
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| 19:21.35 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 19:21.55 | Brigo | jenipapo, any question? |
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| 19:22.19 | jenipapo | Brain, yes. I currently use Jessie. |
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| 19:22.43 | jenipapo | recently the system has broken and KDE did'nt work anymore. |
| 19:23.54 | jenipapo | I reinstall using tasksel but my workspace environment look vey simplier. |
| 19:24.21 | jenipapo | For exemple I had a nice earth globe moving. Now I can't set it |
| 19:24.46 | jenipapo | So I wonder what package I have to install to recover a "rich" space? |
| 19:25.44 | jenipapo | Brigo, sorry I type Brain instead of Brigo |
| 19:25.46 | Brigo | jenipapo, afaik tasksel is the best way to install kde. |
| 19:25.55 | Brigo | jenipapo, np :) |
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| 19:26.57 | jenipapo | Brigo, so why I have no more moving things to choose? |
| 19:27.00 | Brigo | jenipapo, try kde-full |
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| 19:27.27 | jenipapo | Brigo, I tried. In fact, its the 1st thing I tried |
| 19:27.37 | Brigo | and? |
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| 19:29.24 | jenipapo | When I tried, it was impossible because of dependances problems(?) Thats the reason why I choose tasksel. I am going to try again, but I thing I have to reboot to make the changes working? |
| 19:30.10 | jenipapo | brigo, I just tried to install kde-full, no errors |
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| 19:31.23 | jenipapo | Brigo, I try to reboot |
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| 19:35.13 | sotto | I have a problem with lightdm. After I put in my credentials, the screen goes black and goes back to lightdm. I've tried deleteing .Xauthority. Reinstalling lightdm, but it's the same thing eveytime. |
| 19:35.38 | thepeter | Can I use ubuntu-sdk on debian? |
| 19:35.42 | Brigo | sotto, what graphic environment are you using? |
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| 19:35.50 | sotto | Brigo: I have i3 |
| 19:36.07 | jenipapo | Brigo, no more... |
| 19:36.12 | Brigo | sotto, did you check logs? |
| 19:36.43 | jmcnaught | sotto: can other users log in? |
| 19:36.59 | sotto | Brigo: no, jmcnaught: no |
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| 19:37.25 | sotto | I could get onto i3 perfectly, but after I added a xfce desktop to /usr/share/xessions everything broke. |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | sotto: show us your ~/.xsession |
| 19:37.48 | Brigo | and why did yo udo that? |
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| 19:38.09 | sotto | Brigo: there's a wifi applet on xfce that I needed |
| 19:38.32 | Brigo | sotto, sorry, i have to go. |
| 19:38.34 | sotto | valdyn: I don't have an ~/.xsessions directory |
| 19:38.38 | sotto | Brigo: it's fine |
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| 19:42.36 | jmcnaught | sotto: if you're on jessie with systemd, you could try looking at the journals for lightdm or your user slice with something like "journalctl -u user-1000.slice" to look for errors |
| 19:42.46 | sotto | jmcnaught: I'm on wheezy |
| 19:43.53 | jmcnaught | sotto: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? do you have a ~/.xsession-errors file? |
| 19:43.57 | sotto | could anyone paste their /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file? |
| 19:44.28 | sotto | jmcnaught: I don't have xession FILE |
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| 19:47.35 | jmcnaught | !confnew |
| 19:47.35 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 19:47.55 | jmcnaught | i love it when people quit a few minutes after asking for help |
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| 19:52.35 | A|an | What can be done if after installing a (quickie-rescue) new motherboard, it doesn't indicate that it detects the monitor (in System Settings -> Display it lists "unknown" and the resolution is fixed (and wrong))? |
| 19:53.24 | A|an | It's a mini-ITX Intel D2550MUD2 mobo. |
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| 19:54.16 | A|an | (As bizarre as it strikes me...I'm wondering if it supports linux...at such a trivial level!) |
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| 19:56.23 | A|an | It obviously *does* generate a useable display...but it's really fucked...the bottom third is a color static pattern, for wont of a better description. |
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| 20:19.58 | roflbot | hi guys. I need to get my hands on a specific package to test something. Package is no longer in the repos. libdrm-amdgpu1_2.4.53-1_amd64.deb Where should I go to find this? |
| 20:20.52 | roflbot | its not in my /var/cache/apt/archives :| |
| 20:21.27 | sotto | I'm looking through the "InstallingDebianOn" wiki page. Is there any laptop (on the wiki or not) that works with Debian out of the box? No need to install wifi drivers, video drivers, or anything? |
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| 20:25.16 | valdyn | sotto: intel gfx and intel wifi and old |
| 20:25.31 | valdyn | sotto: everything recent needs firmware, which is not installed by default |
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| 20:25.42 | andrew1 | huh |
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| 20:26.37 | valdyn | sotto: or nevermind that, rather than old and intel wifi you would want old and atheros wifi (which uses no external firmware and works out of the box) |
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| 20:28.05 | sotto | valdyn: I don't know |
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| 20:28.29 | valdyn | sotto: you dont know what? |
| 20:28.40 | sotto | valdyn: I don't know |
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| 20:34.27 | A|an | @search history of the american people |
| 20:34.47 | A|an | oops |
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| 20:37.13 | t4bme | bind9 and isc-dhcpd combo, trying to set up ddns. "dhcpd: Unable to add forward map from bla to bla: timed out". Doing it manually with nsupdate works fine. This proofs it must be dhcpd which is misconfigured, yes? |
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| 20:39.37 | jmcnaught | sotto: earlier you were asking about restoring default lightdm.conf, and i was going to suggest asking the dpkg bot about "confmiss" for a way to do that. Also check out the gluglug, a refurbed lenovo x200 that uses only free software, endorsed by the FSF |
| 20:41.55 | sotto | jmcnaught: I've seen the gluglug before. Kind of pricey for the hardware. |
| 20:43.39 | t4bme | sotto: you're paying for the ideals, not for the hardware, mostly... |
| 20:44.20 | sotto | t4bme: plus you can flash libreboot yourself, so the markup is quite high |
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| 20:45.32 | r6ku | sotto: you're gonna have to do some soldering too |
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| 20:49.36 | r6ku | don't pay for ideals, even the fsf backs out on their ideals when it's convenient for them, see lgpl & agpl |
| 20:49.55 | rabbitear | you don't have to do any soldering with the x60 or x200 to put libreboot on it |
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| 20:50.17 | rabbitear | just put coreboot/libreboot on my x60 .. don't even have to take apart the laptop |
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| 20:51.11 | rabbitear | next time I flash, I'm putting a kernel inside the firmware |
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| 20:53.06 | DexterF | when ddrescue reduces read speed after it encountered problems, shouldn't it speed up again once it steered clear of the rapids? |
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| 21:01.38 | t4bme | rabbitear: soldering to replace the WLAN module with one which has a free driver, I think. Something like that. |
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| 21:44.32 | A|an | Is the Intel "Cedar Trail" processor supported in Lenny? |
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| 21:48.28 | epsilon | A|an: intel atom CPU? yes |
| 21:48.41 | epsilon | use amd64 version |
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| 21:53.55 | The_Photographer | hi |
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| 21:54.46 | The_Photographer | How I could fix a NTF windows partiton (/dev/sda8). chkdsk /f from windows boot disk not solve the problem, ntfsfix and testdisk the same |
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| 21:56.10 | The_Photographer | I dont know what to do, the partition is there, however, I cant access |
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| 21:59.13 | The_Photographer | I really want change this ntfs filetype, however, i cant access to it |
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| 21:59.45 | The_Photographer | I have my wending pictures there |
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| 22:00.44 | squinty | !testdisk |
| 22:00.44 | dpkg | TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk See also <photorec>. |
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| 22:04.20 | squinty | The_Photographer, in a terminal apt show testdisk to see what kinds of stuff testdisk and photorec can recover |
| 22:04.42 | The_Photographer | ok, let me do it |
| 22:05.45 | The_Photographer | squinty: http://pastebin.com/XQpSxrX7 |
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| 22:07.10 | squinty | The_Photographer, that information was for you. I already know what it does. :-) |
| 22:07.32 | The_Photographer | squinty: oh ok, I am sorry |
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| 22:08.20 | squinty | The_Photographer, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step |
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| 22:08.44 | udp-packet | So you want to convert NTFS to ext4? |
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| 22:09.15 | squinty | The_Photographer, testdisk and photorec are both available via the repo's |
| 22:09.17 | udp-packet | Nevermind :( I misread |
| 22:09.30 | OerHeks | The_Photographer, are you sure it is ntfs, not ExFat ? |
| 22:09.56 | The_Photographer | OerHeks: its NTFS, I have files there more than 4 GB |
| 22:10.09 | kboratynski | Could anyone of you suggest any open source wiki? |
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| 22:10.19 | The_Photographer | kboratynski: mediawiki |
| 22:10.49 | kboratynski | The_Photographer: Does it support LDAP authentication and authorization? |
| 22:10.51 | The_Photographer | squinty: yes |
| 22:11.18 | The_Photographer | kboratynski: I remember that this partiton was mounted in "read only" |
| 22:11.29 | The_Photographer | however, today simply i cant access |
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| 22:11.57 | The_Photographer | kboratynski: no, it not need any authorization |
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| 22:13.36 | FrancescoLorz | hi, am I right if I say cpufrequtils is a front-end for intel p_state? |
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| 22:29.53 | ScottSteiner | Is it possible to configure tightvncserver to use my screen as if it's a local login rather than creating a seperate display? |
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| 22:31.51 | wk | does debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso.torrent include several desktop environment? |
| 22:32.07 | The_Photographer | well thanks guys, I will try rescatux |
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| 22:33.25 | socomm | wk: Several? No. |
| 22:33.33 | srvk | wk: I don't think so, but if it doesn't you can install other environments with apt |
| 22:33.35 | socomm | wk: I believe it only comes with GNOME 3.x. |
| 22:33.45 | wk | ok |
| 22:34.04 | socomm | ScottSteiner: Yes. |
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| 22:34.13 | socomm | ScottSteiner: Just don't ask me how. |
| 22:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ScottSteiner, x11vnc connects to an existing login by the same user by default... iirc it can also connect to a login-screen... but that's much harder, because the login-screen is owned by root and, and, and... |
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| 22:38.59 | SmileMZ | Hi debian people. |
| 22:39.05 | thomasross | Hi |
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| 22:39.23 | SmileMZ | I have debian stretch running... and I am quiet happy so far. |
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| 22:39.58 | FrancescoLorz | wk: at the end of install you can choose which DE you want between Gnome, XFCE, Mate and Cinnamon IIRC. Then tasksel install it for you. |
| 22:40.32 | wk | FrancescoLorz, on live cd? |
| 22:40.46 | srvk | me too SmileMZ, just upgraded a week ago. |
| 22:41.07 | SmileMZ | I got this problem: bbb-record-core : Depends: ruby1.9.1-dev which is a virtual package. |
| 22:41.16 | FrancescoLorz | oh sorry I don't know about the live cd |
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| 22:41.24 | SmileMZ | i got the main package, but the development package for me not to find :( |
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| 22:42.05 | FrancescoLorz | wk: will you get internet connection on the machine you're gonna use the live cd? |
| 22:42.18 | srvk | SmileMZ: try installing ruby2.2-dev |
| 22:42.21 | wk | FrancescoLorz, yes live |
| 22:42.25 | SmileMZ | don't know where to get the development package :( |
| 22:42.42 | SmileMZ | i am doing right now a dist-upgrade... |
| 22:43.00 | FrancescoLorz | wk: then if its not available by default, just use apt-get |
| 22:43.39 | srvk | what's the best desktop session recorder? The one included in gnome is convenient, but the framerate gets choppy |
| 22:44.46 | SmileMZ | since when have the debian group switched to systemd ?! |
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| 22:45.05 | SmileMZ | is it something recently ?! |
| 22:45.11 | SmileMZ | sorry, ment recent |
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| 22:47.53 | dvs | SmileMZ: Since Debian 8. systemd is the default but not mandatory. |
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| 22:48.28 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 22:48.54 | c0fe | hello johnfg |
| 22:49.35 | johnfg | on my remmina remote desktop client, my icons at the top of a connection are gone, like for fullscreen, scaled mode, etc. How to get it back? |
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| 22:49.58 | SmileMZ | srvk: I still get the same error: bbb-record-core : Depends: ruby1.9.1-dev which is a virtual package. |
| 22:50.08 | SmileMZ | srvk: I don't know how to solve that :( |
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| 22:57.50 | c0fe | who's around? |
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| 22:58.09 | squinty | SmileMZ, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ruby seems they might have changed the package name in jessie maybe it's the ruby-dev package now |
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| 22:59.14 | squinty | no-one besides the chosen 1600 already here |
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| 22:59.39 | squinty | sorry 1602 that is :P |
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| 23:02.53 | SmileMZ | squinty: no... sadly not. |
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| 23:04.31 | stormysea | Hi, I'm looking at buying one of those credit card sized ARM computers, the Banana Pi. Wikipedia says it supports the arm |
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| 23:04.53 | Nik05 | can anyone recommend me an financial adminstration program for personal use? Is gnucash good or are there better solutions? |
| 23:04.55 | SmileMZ | squinty: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aRD6a5sD |
| 23:04.58 | stormysea | armhf port of debian. What's this like compares to running debian on a regular system? |
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| 23:21.01 | NightyMiggers | how do you start the gui in debian? |
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| 23:21.51 | shay_shay | NightyMiggers: you just installed? |
| 23:21.59 | NightyMiggers | no it's a live cd |
| 23:22.05 | NightyMiggers | startx isn't working :( |
| 23:22.44 | shay_shay | livecd ? standard livecd? |
| 23:22.48 | NightyMiggers | it's an iso |
| 23:22.57 | shay_shay | "standard" has no desktop environment |
| 23:23.15 | shay_shay | yeah it's implied it's an ISO. what is the file name |
| 23:23.16 | NightyMiggers | i'm running it in vmware but i don't think that makes a difference |
| 23:23.25 | NightyMiggers | i'll find out right now |
| 23:24.22 | NightyMiggers | it's debian squeeze 2 |
| 23:24.42 | shay_shay | thats interesting, but also not the file name. |
| 23:24.49 | shay_shay | D: |
| 23:25.11 | NightyMiggers | what filename am i looking for? |
| 23:25.35 | NightyMiggers | from_sqli_to_shell_i386.iso |
| 23:25.47 | NightyMiggers | is that it? |
| 23:26.35 | shay_shay | you're supposed to be telling me, not asking me |
| 23:26.46 | NightyMiggers | that's the file name |
| 23:26.48 | shay_shay | what is the name of the .iso that you are trying to boot |
| 23:26.49 | NightyMiggers | i think |
| 23:26.55 | NightyMiggers | from_sqli_to_shell_i386.iso |
| 23:27.00 | NightyMiggers | that's the name of it |
| 23:27.15 | NightyMiggers | i got it here https://pentesterlab.com/exercises/from_sqli_to_shell |
| 23:27.35 | shay_shay | well it obviously has no gui on it |
| 23:27.40 | bazhang | looks like something from kali |
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| 23:27.55 | bazhang | kali just v2, and is now based on debian |
| 23:28.49 | bazhang | #kali-linux for kali support |
| 23:28.52 | shay_shay | even if it's not kali, whatever it is is "based on debian" |
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| 23:29.07 | SolarNRG | lots of linux are based on debian |
| 23:29.21 | bazhang | he said squueze 2, which sounds like kali |
| 23:29.22 | shay_shay | !kali linux |
| 23:29.22 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 23:29.41 | NightyMiggers | it's not kali |
| 23:29.46 | SolarNRG | slackware's pretty much dead these days |
| 23:29.53 | bazhang | that iso is not debian |
| 23:29.55 | c0fe | !kali linux |
| 23:29.56 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 23:30.11 | shay_shay | thanks c0fe :D |
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| 23:30.13 | NightyMiggers | i didn't get it from kali.org and this is what it is here's a screenshot |
| 23:30.15 | c0fe | yup :@) |
| 23:30.22 | SolarNRG | arch/apricity are totally not debian whatsoever, built from scratch |
| 23:30.48 | c0fe | apricity is an old name for arch? |
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| 23:30.59 | SolarNRG | apricity is a gui frontend for arch |
| 23:31.02 | c0fe | i see |
| 23:31.22 | shay_shay | i am booting from_sqli_to_shell_i386.iso now, lol |
| 23:31.35 | SolarNRG | so you can use arch now and it doesn't look like an 80's os |
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| 23:32.19 | shay_shay | so in effect, arch's only redeeming qualities, nullified |
| 23:32.19 | SolarNRG | Oh this password thing is really annoying |
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| 23:32.20 | c0fe | SolarNRG: i went into their channel once and ask them what is the benefits of arch over other distros and got told to "fuck off" :/ |
| 23:32.32 | SolarNRG | I tried to put in MYPENIS as my password and it said error: not long enough |
| 23:32.54 | NightyMiggers | http://imgur.com/a/7ALnS |
| 23:33.02 | NightyMiggers | here is the operating system |
| 23:33.11 | NightyMiggers | it's not kali |
| 23:33.19 | SolarNRG | c0fe arch is still very much in development if you're actually using arch and you've bothered to install it and go uh, what am I supposed to do here they might help you |
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| 23:33.51 | SolarNRG | I've been told it's a very powerful OS with great potential howeve |
| 23:33.52 | SolarNRG | r |
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| 23:34.44 | c0fe | SolarNRG: don't they say that about every distro? :P |
| 23:34.51 | c0fe | im sticking with debian for the stability |
| 23:35.00 | c0fe | centos i know is stable but i managed to screw it up before |
| 23:35.08 | c0fe | once i found a way to delete itself from gnome :D |
| 23:35.13 | SolarNRG | centos 7 is top of the kat apps torrents atm |
| 23:35.17 | c0fe | not even sure how i did that :/ |
| 23:35.25 | c0fe | kat apps? |
| 23:35.29 | c0fe | cat apps? |
| 23:35.38 | SolarNRG | kickass torrents it's a site where u can get free stuff |
| 23:35.43 | shay_shay | NightyMiggers: i just booted it, it looks like a custom debian squeeze livecd, still doesnt get supported by this channel. the reason is nobody can know what the extent of the modifications are. if you need support contact the author |
| 23:36.01 | c0fe | SolarNRG: like blow and hookers? |
| 23:36.10 | NightyMiggers | thank you so much for your help shay_shay |
| 23:36.20 | NightyMiggers | how could i find out who the custom authors are? |
| 23:36.38 | SolarNRG | word of warning, be careful if they ask u ur email or ur credit card no |
| 23:36.38 | c0fe | NightyMiggers: any reason you want to use the custom distro and not the official one? |
| 23:37.10 | shay_shay | NightyMiggers: without digging in i have a feeling you can just install debian 7 and simply follow the tutorial, installing anything you need for the tutorial with dpkg |
| 23:37.12 | NightyMiggers | it's a sql injection tutorial from some site |
| 23:37.28 | NightyMiggers | shay_shay:i thought that the vm had all the files on it |
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| 23:38.12 | c0fe | yeah NightyMiggers probably just download debian and use the tutorial to get the files and work done |
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| 23:38.47 | NightyMiggers | .968+- |
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| 23:39.22 | NightyMiggers | 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333-+++++++*********************+66 |
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| 23:44.23 | shay_shay | :P |
| 23:44.36 | bazhang | that shasum cannot be correct |
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| 23:48.28 | c0fe | http://i.imgur.com/guGGhuH.png |
| 23:48.29 | c0fe | lol |
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| 23:56.23 | beco | lol |
| 23:56.34 | beco | "i guess its kind of sexy" ahahaha |
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