| 00:00.51 | zakk_ | Lol c0fe |
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| 00:09.15 | sreggingnikcuf | are black people allowed to use Debian? |
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| 00:09.44 | SolarNRG | anyone can use debian, whether or not they choose to is another matter |
| 00:09.54 | SolarNRG | If you want more blacks to use Debian I suggest making a rap song about it |
| 00:10.14 | squinty | it's the favourite os for coal miners you bigot |
| 00:10.22 | rabbitear | sreggingnikcuf: even if your a true nerd, you can use debian |
| 00:10.40 | SolarNRG | actually I got a rap joke: |
| 00:10.40 | rabbitear | sreggingnikcuf: if your gay too |
| 00:10.52 | SolarNRG | Why have you got 2 quarters in ur ear? Because I'm listening to 50 cent |
| 00:11.36 | bazhang | !ops | sreggingnikcuf |
| 00:11.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | sreggingnikcuf |
| 00:11.57 | sreggingnikcuf | why are you calling ops on me? |
| 00:12.25 | SolarNRG | because we now live in a time where black people are allowed to use nuclear weapons now |
| 00:12.43 | rabbitear | sreggingnikcuf: not suppose to play stupid |
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| 00:13.07 | squinty | wonders why coal miners would need nuclear weapons |
| 00:14.00 | squinty | he's not playing he just is |
| 00:14.03 | sreggingnikcuf | what did I do wron? |
| 00:14.21 | squinty | left of the letter g |
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| 00:14.30 | squinty | go stand in a corner |
| 00:14.37 | rabbitear | i disagree squinty, he's playing |
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| 00:15.17 | squinty | anyone who has to play at being an idiot is an idiot to start off with... my statement stands ;-) |
| 00:15.39 | peterrooney | sreggingnikcuf: you'll figure it out; "two minutes should be enough, but thinking is hard, and two minutes a long time." |
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| 00:16.04 | SolarNRG | come on, there was a time when we didn't know how to sudo apt-get and looking back on our younger naiver selves we were pretty dumb not long ago |
| 00:16.12 | sreggingnikcuf | I'm black and I heard that black people cant use Linux |
| 00:16.17 | sreggingnikcuf | stop being racist |
| 00:16.42 | rabbitear | sreggingnikcuf: does that make sense to you? |
| 00:17.23 | mtn | thinks today is trollday |
| 00:17.24 | squinty | sreggingnikcuf, hmmm... why don't you just find out for yourself if your skin colour makes a difference in one's ability to related to and operate a linux os |
| 00:17.28 | SolarNRG | nothing is stopping you from using linux, hell even a cat can install linux if it knows how, this isn't a case of skin color its a case of ability |
| 00:17.59 | shay_shay | if fetchmail daemon is run by system user "fetchmail", then does user fetchmail need to be added to group mail? |
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| 00:18.18 | shay_shay | my mail spools are owned by $user:mail |
| 00:18.40 | SolarNRG | However I would argue that a lot of game and software developers are racist against linux users |
| 00:18.47 | rabbitear | sreggingnikcuf: may be its drain bramage |
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| 00:19.17 | a_beautiful_mime | hi |
| 00:19.27 | SolarNRG | sup a_beautiful_mime |
| 00:19.29 | a_beautiful_mime | I've just tried 5 or 6 packages from the debian repository |
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| 00:19.32 | a_beautiful_mime | different ones |
| 00:19.33 | koollman | mtn: internet ... every day is trollday :) |
| 00:19.38 | a_beautiful_mime | and none of the shah's match up |
| 00:19.48 | a_beautiful_mime | am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:20.02 | mtn | koollman, the weekends seem to be even "better" than normal :P |
| 00:20.08 | a_beautiful_mime | i'm using gtkhash but the code produced here is always different |
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| 00:22.08 | a_beautiful_mime | huh |
| 00:22.15 | a_beautiful_mime | sha256 works from the command line |
| 00:22.24 | a_beautiful_mime | but it's a different output in gtkhash |
| 00:22.26 | a_beautiful_mime | weird |
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| 00:26.00 | ScottSteiner | how can i list the displays on my system? (:0, :1, etc) I need it for ffmpeg. Thanks |
| 00:27.03 | rabbitear | xrandr ? |
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| 00:40.04 | dot | there was brutforece attack on my server and now I am not able to login as well. Is there a way how to reset this feature ? |
| 00:40.45 | th0r | you can log in as single user at boot |
| 00:42.09 | rabbitear | dot: with sshd? |
| 00:42.59 | rabbitear | dot: you can goto sshd_config .. if that attacked stopped .. raise MaxRetries by 1 |
| 00:43.16 | rabbitear | dot: oh but you can't login, doh! |
| 00:43.42 | dot | I am with logged in |
| 00:43.47 | dot | with another terminal |
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| 00:44.22 | dot | rabbitear: is there a way to reset this now ? |
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| 00:47.08 | mrrhq-mobile | Curious, what server are you using, and is it a VPS? |
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| 00:49.21 | FemAnon | how do I stop my firewall from logging to syslog? someone is pinging me and it is raping my hard drive |
| 00:49.53 | mrrhq-mobile | They could have changed the password against you, in that case, might be worth contacting support. |
| 00:51.34 | rabbitear | dot: after you change MaxRetries, you 'restart' sshd |
| 00:52.14 | rabbitear | dot: then login real quick, but if they are still hammering at it, then you have to be faster than them |
| 00:52.55 | rabbitear | dot: or make Maxtries really big ..... there actually should be a better way, but this is the way I know |
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| 00:59.20 | Equa | use fail2ban or some filter to block out ips with too many failed attempts |
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| 01:01.13 | FemAnon | my firewall is logging to syslog even though I uncommented the relevant line in rsyslog.d |
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| 01:02.00 | Equa | FemAnon: what firewall are you using? tell it to stop logging from it or from iptables |
| 01:02.38 | FemAnon | Equa, i want it to log, but i want it to only log to where I have it set to log in rsyslog.d |
| 01:02.54 | rabbitear | dot: you should block those ips anyway |
| 01:02.56 | Equa | FemAnon: you can set the limit rate too |
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| 01:03.31 | rabbitear | dot: I can't remember if in debian sshd uses hosts.deny or not |
| 01:03.53 | Equa | rabbitear: it can |
| 01:04.08 | rabbitear | Equa: can or does? |
| 01:04.09 | aedinius | I belive it does. I had denyhosts setup a while ago, |
| 01:04.37 | Equa | rabbitear: you can use it to deny access. doesn't do it by default |
| 01:04.42 | rabbitear | you can compile sshd to be without the tcp_wrapper too |
| 01:05.03 | rabbitear | k |
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| 01:15.57 | ScottSteiner | While trying to record the screen from within a vnc connection using ffmpeg, I keep getting a black screen. What could be causing this? |
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| 01:19.28 | rabbitear | ScottSteiner: probably you need to make the vnc use the x11 driver, as oppossed to sdl,opengl etc |
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| 01:20.29 | rabbitear | and not xv either |
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| 01:23.10 | dimitry7 | how do you escape single quotes with sed? |
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| 01:23.34 | rabbitear | dimitry7: \' |
| 01:23.35 | dot_ | rabbitear: it didnt work |
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| 01:24.02 | dimitry7 | yeah doest work |
| 01:24.07 | rabbitear | dot_: whats the message you get when you login? |
| 01:24.13 | rabbitear | lol |
| 01:24.48 | dimitry7 | sed -i 's/'hello'/bye/g' testi.sh |
| 01:25.08 | dimitry7 | im doing that test, I want to remove the single quotes in the text file |
| 01:25.41 | dimitry7 | the text file contains: 'hello' |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | dimitry7: there is a #sed |
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| 01:26.27 | dimitry7 | ok |
| 01:27.07 | dot_ | rabbitear: now when I tried to change from text password login to pubkey |
| 01:27.08 | dot_ | i get this |
| 01:27.09 | dot_ | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 01:27.17 | dot_ | and it works on other servers without problem |
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| 01:37.15 | ScottSteiner | thanks rabbitear. where can i set which driver will be used? |
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| 02:16.39 | shay_shay | i failed at setting dovecot up with ssl :( |
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| 02:31.07 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: what went wrong? |
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| 02:32.48 | shay_shay | I have no idea but I'm starting over from scratch... I usually start over from scratch at least once when doing something relatively complex... besides at a certain point I start trying random settings which I don't keep track of :D |
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| 02:33.46 | SolarNRG | shay_shay, I learned the hard way a pen and paper REALLY comes in handy for when you bugger up debian back to command line |
| 02:34.07 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: do you get an error from the mail client when you try to connect? is there anything in mail.log or mail.err ? |
| 02:34.15 | SolarNRG | one guy in here was really determined, he figured out how to irc from command line when he buggered up his gpu drivers |
| 02:34.31 | SolarNRG | smart guy but not smart enough to fix his gui |
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| 02:37.05 | c0fe | SolarNRG: why did he even tamper with his drivers in the first place? |
| 02:37.39 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: I've already reinstalled the VPS ... I'm going to try again, read the documentation again, then if I still can't do it I will beg for HALP |
| 02:37.54 | SolarNRG | c0fe probably similar reasons to me, I was on gallium 0.4 needed to install my ati drivers he was on nvidia tho. obs, skype wanted ffmpeg and it really needed hardware render mode to do this |
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| 02:38.19 | c0fe | i see |
| 02:38.25 | SolarNRG | when I got boot to command line I was clueless without a gui internet how to ask for help |
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| 02:38.57 | SolarNRG | I was like a kid staring at a Dos screen, "what's the code to run chessmaster 2000?" I knew, it was cd games/cm2000 then cm2000.exe |
| 02:39.04 | SolarNRG | but that was msdos |
| 02:39.29 | SolarNRG | I only know commands other ppl post on forums and I can kinda taylor them to what I need by looking at references to other people's guides |
| 02:39.30 | c0fe | noob question, but if i want to host multiple domains on a server what file do i need to edit to setup the domains? just hosts? |
| 02:40.06 | SolarNRG | c0fe domains on public internet? |
| 02:40.10 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: do you have TLS working on your MTA? |
| 02:40.16 | c0fe | SolarNRG: yes |
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| 02:40.46 | SolarNRG | hmm, my understanding of DNS is one ip one domain, I might be wrong |
| 02:40.46 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: i use postfix and dovecot, and they're both using the same certificate and key files |
| 02:41.19 | SolarNRG | but you can have thousands of different ports however! |
| 02:41.55 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: I don't have a mta. I am doing an email mirror with fetchmail>procmail>dovecot. dovecot has a script called mkcert.sh which I used |
| 02:41.55 | c0fe | SolarNRG: well you can have shared hosting which have one IP and multiple domains |
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| 02:43.17 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: okay cool. and what error are you getting? |
| 02:44.23 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: it will take me a while to produce them again, I formatted it :P |
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| 02:44.51 | SolarNRG | c0fe looking at the wiki, name based virtual hosts seem to be the right answer to your question, it's still a subject I'm very new to but I hope I've pushed you in the right direction |
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| 02:45.24 | woh3 | Hello All |
| 02:45.31 | SolarNRG | hello woh3 |
| 02:45.36 | SolarNRG | how are you? |
| 02:45.43 | woh3 | marvelous |
| 02:45.48 | woh3 | I just love Debian Jessie |
| 02:45.56 | SolarNRG | It's a nice os isn't it! |
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| 02:46.10 | SolarNRG | once you sort out the gpu driver issues :| |
| 02:46.14 | rabbitear | Happy Debian Day |
| 02:46.19 | rabbitear | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiHHCvmMD64 |
| 02:46.29 | woh3 | I have a history of having rapid flings with linux distros, sometimes I install 5-6 distros a week, but I really like debian, I think it will be me main distro from now on |
| 02:46.35 | jmcnaught | c0fe: first you would have to set up DNS records for each domain to point to the IP address of your server. Then you would configure virtual hosting in a web server like apache2 or nginx like SolarNRG suggests above |
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| 02:47.07 | abrotman | rabbitear: you've been warned so many times about pasting crap in here |
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| 02:51.43 | SolarNRG | jmcnaught, thanks for confirming my hunch :) |
| 02:52.38 | c0fe | jmcnaught: thing is i am using containers per website |
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| 02:54.05 | SolarNRG | what website are you working on? |
| 02:54.13 | SolarNRG | are you planning on hosting from your own machine? |
| 02:54.28 | jmcnaught | c0fe: something like each container runs in its own container, but the server only has a single IP address? You could run a web server on the host that for each virtual server proxies to the appropriate container |
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| 02:54.49 | c0fe | jmcnaught: exactly |
| 02:54.51 | c0fe | intersting |
| 02:55.04 | c0fe | any way to avoid running a web server on the host? |
| 02:55.17 | SolarNRG | so what happens if you bung in the server's ip address manually how does it know which website to redirect you to? |
| 02:55.34 | jmcnaught | c0fe: get more IPs |
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| 02:55.46 | c0fe | i see |
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| 02:57.00 | jmcnaught | c0fe: or maybe have the front end webserver in its own container, proxying to the others |
| 02:57.26 | c0fe | jmcnaught: i might do that thanks |
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| 02:58.42 | SolarNRG | If I were setting up a serious web site for a serious company, I'd have a dedicated building not at my home with multiple fiber optic cables going into it with multiple IPs and a way of logging into my own server with a really long encryption key followed by two passwords and biometric security |
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| 02:59.18 | SolarNRG | I'd have the servers air conditioned, the building burglar alarmed and I'd have the place under cctv |
| 02:59.20 | SolarNRG | that's what I'd do |
| 02:59.46 | SolarNRG | In fact I probably wouldn't even be using x84 or x64 architecture, I'd probably have a TYAN motherboard with 4 cpus on it |
| 03:00.07 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: there are already places like this called data centres, but this is a little off topic for #debian |
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| 03:01.36 | SolarNRG | jmcnaught, I think you're right but if you were making a data center would you use debian or would you use a professional unix system? |
| 03:02.29 | SolarNRG | I think the real issue with hosting websites from home is the crap upload speed most ADSL providers give you |
| 03:02.43 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: however if you're interested in what's involved with hosting websites, a great way to get started is with the apache2 packages on Debian. you could set up a debian VM and play around with. everything you need for hosting websites is available in debian |
| 03:03.13 | SolarNRG | jmc, what so I can host my own contraversial ksp mods on it and not get banned by the forum moderators? |
| 03:03.29 | SolarNRG | cool |
| 03:03.59 | SolarNRG | A lot of people pay providers like godaddy to do the hosting for them |
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| 03:07.37 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: well you *can* host a website on an ADSL connection, but it'll be slow and you will probably have a dynamic IP address. |
| 03:07.58 | SolarNRG | I thought most adsl users had static ips these days |
| 03:08.22 | SolarNRG | in fact last time I got IP banned from a minecraft server I had to ring up my ISP so I could get a new IP |
| 03:08.27 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: i was more suggesting that you can experiment on a web server that is only accessible on your local network as a way to learn. you could use an old pc, or set up virtualization on a computer, or containers |
| 03:08.38 | SolarNRG | Oh over a LAN, that would be real fast |
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| 03:09.01 | SolarNRG | Yeah I got an old xp netbook I can tinker with |
| 03:09.05 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: yeah and free, and you can make mistakes without causing harm anywhere |
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| 03:09.24 | SolarNRG | Or risking my network security with an alpha website I haven't yet figured out how to secure |
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| 03:10.43 | SolarNRG | Do you think my router has it's own apache thing on, like when I type in my router's lan ip in it loads up a web page where there are options I can change |
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| 03:12.32 | SolarNRG | Is that a good example of what ur on about? |
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| 03:13.58 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: no i mean if you want to learn about web hosting, everything you need is in debian. you can set up a debian machine in your home, install apache2 or nginx and experimenting to learn. the webserver would only be accessible to you |
| 03:15.10 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: you could even do it on your laptop/desktop that you use, but my advice is to put it on a separate machine (even a virtual one) so that your computer doesn't get messy/bloaty |
| 03:15.37 | SolarNRG | make the xp netbook the host? like format xp off it, install debian and do the hosting there? |
| 03:15.56 | SolarNRG | it's a crappy single core with a tiny screen |
| 03:16.10 | SolarNRG | and my daughter's eaten the entire keyboard on it, would it make a good testbed? |
| 03:16.23 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: except i'm not talking about hosting a website accessible to the world. i'm talking about running a webserver at home for you to play with, a private one. |
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| 03:16.58 | SolarNRG | yeah a website only accessible to ppl on my LAN, and the question I suggested earlier was: "is the website on my router effectively an apache server?" |
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| 03:19.50 | jmcnaught | SolarNRG: routers with web GUIs have built-in mini web servers that are probably not apache |
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| 03:20.25 | SolarNRG | do you think there's any way to debug that mini web server on my router? |
| 03:20.33 | meder | i did the /etc/apt/sources.list update from wheezy to jessie and upgraded, how come packages like php aren't updated from 5.4 to 5.6? do i have to apt-get update again? |
| 03:20.49 | meder | after upgrading my os? |
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| 03:23.22 | jmcnaught | meder: can you put the output from "dpkg -l | grep php" in a paste? |
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| 03:25.04 | meder | jmcnaught: http://dpaste.com/39KG728.txt |
| 03:26.00 | jmcnaught | meder: thanks. did you configure any holds or pinning? |
| 03:26.11 | meder | what? |
| 03:26.16 | meder | dont even know what that is |
| 03:26.33 | meder | not explicitly , maybe accidentally |
| 03:26.38 | meder | during the install or before? |
| 03:26.55 | meder | also, in aptitude , upgradable packages -> 847 |
| 03:27.02 | jmcnaught | meder: like maybe you pinned your php packages at some earlier time? |
| 03:27.04 | meder | i noticed some packages like libnss upgraded |
| 03:27.17 | meder | libnss went from 2.14 or whatever to 2.17, the jessie one |
| 03:27.23 | meder | but the ones like php didnt upgrade |
| 03:27.25 | jmcnaught | meder: oh, did you do "apt-get dist-upgrade" after the "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 03:27.28 | meder | yes |
| 03:27.32 | meder | but |
| 03:27.37 | meder | i think it didn't do anything, sec |
| 03:28.57 | meder | jmcnaught: /cat/os-release says jessie |
| 03:29.03 | meder | does that mean i did dist-upgrade or not necessarily? |
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| 03:29.56 | meder | crap |
| 03:29.59 | meder | i guess i didn't do that part |
| 03:30.01 | meder | thanks jmcnaught |
| 03:30.10 | jmcnaught | meder: not necessarily. upgrade is like a simple upgrade, it bumps every package that does not require other changes like installing new dependencies or removing conflicts. dist-upgrade does the complex stuff |
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| 03:30.28 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: it worked. i was trying to put the maildir under /var somewhere and i guess i got the permissions wrong. i went with ~/Maildir and everything was peachy |
| 03:30.43 | jmcnaught | meder: did you check the release notes? it seems there are some PHP 5.4->5.6 issues to be aware of |
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| 03:31.14 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: cool! |
| 03:31.17 | shay_shay | :D |
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| 04:30.15 | Utils | I've been trying to set up firewall rules to allow only two ips, access to a port. http://paste.debian.net/294724/ line 12 and 13 (I did make a typo, 5 for 6 but that's been fixed) for some reason, /everyone/ can still access. Howcome those two rules are not restricting to those two ips? |
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| 04:33.34 | Equa | Utils: take a look at line 17, you're allowing everything to connect from port 1024 - 65535 |
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| 04:34.26 | Utils | Oh yes. There was a reason for that though... lemme find out what that was |
| 04:36.40 | Utils | Equa: Does that mean port 20 is blocked? I read that port 20 is for data transferring... but I can transfer? |
| 04:37.08 | Utils | but that rule was something to do with ftp though... can't pinpoint what. |
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| 04:37.51 | Equa | Utils: you have port 21/22 opened. i see nothing for port 20 |
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| 04:41.59 | Utils | Strange, then. Maybe it transfers over 21 for proftpd, and 20 for maybe some others. Anyway that one rule is to allow passive ports, by default I believe it's a huge range but I can set my own range. |
| 04:42.08 | Utils | so I'll get that sorted out, thanks :) |
| 04:42.13 | Equa | ftp default is port 21 |
| 04:42.39 | Equa | np. just look at line 17 though. you have that line so it's allowing all to connect from port 1024 - 65535 |
| 04:44.04 | Utils | Yeah, not being fluent with iptables, I foolishly thought that would allow only ftp. My fault. |
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| 05:36.14 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:47.51 | fil01 | What is support to Debian 8.1 standard? Maybe one year? |
| 05:48.02 | fil01 | Or is it LTS? |
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| 05:50.58 | fil01 | Anyone knows? |
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| 05:55.41 | vitzli | Morning all, https://cxsecurity.com/issue/WLB-2015080072 - is this a bad one? (OpenSSH 6.9p1 Authentication Bypass / Use-After-Free) |
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| 06:06.07 | vrkansagara | when I press right shift on my lapton it work as 62 Shift_R + 65 space both at a time why? |
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| 06:07.21 | vrkansagara | anybody is here to ans my que. |
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| 06:10.53 | vrkansagara | mnrmnaugh: and ferret_ you know why ? when I press right shift on my lapton it work as 62 Shift_R + 65 space both at a time why? |
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| 06:17.26 | mnrmnaugh | vrkansagara, not sure, but perhaps xmodmap can help you track it down? xmodmap -pke for example. but it shouldnt be screwy like that unless you were playing with something |
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| 06:18.36 | vrkansagara | mnrmnaugh: it was working properly before but suddenly some how it doing nonsense on selected keys only |
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| 06:18.53 | themill | are you using something like synergy or x2x? |
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| 06:21.43 | vrkansagara | themill: no |
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| 06:25.07 | mnrmnaugh | vrkansagara, hmm, im only getting 62 Shift_R 65 space etc. what does $ xmodmap -pke | grep 62 # say? my output has 'keycode 62 = Shift_R NoSymbol Shift_R' |
| 06:25.45 | mnrmnaugh | and 65 = space NoSymbol space |
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| 06:25.54 | vrkansagara | mnrmnaugh: keycode 62 = Shift_R NoSymbol Shift_R |
| 06:25.54 | vrkansagara | keycode 162 = XF86RotateWindows NoSymbol XF86RotateWindows |
| 06:26.59 | mnrmnaugh | hrm. looks correct... |
| 06:27.23 | vrkansagara | it was Because i am using the usb keyboard so |
| 06:27.28 | vrkansagara | let me try again |
| 06:27.53 | vrkansagara | keycode 62 = Shift_R NoSymbol Shift_ |
| 06:28.18 | vrkansagara | ya itÅ look correct |
| 06:28.25 | vrkansagara | but not functioning well |
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| 06:29.22 | vrkansagara | as i used xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' \ |
| 06:29.22 | vrkansagara | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.26 | mnrmnaugh | mrrrrr. thats all i got fer ideas... sorry i cant help :( idk why xev picks it up but not xmodmap.... |
| 06:30.20 | vrkansagara | but is there any way to solve this issue |
| 06:30.41 | mnrmnaugh | ya i ran your xev sed bit, and i only get 62 Shift_R or 65 space :\ |
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| 06:31.10 | mnrmnaugh | oh there IS a solution. i jsut dont know enough to figure it.... |
| 06:31.30 | mnrmnaugh | maybe try the regular #linux channel |
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| 06:32.10 | vrkansagara | how can i solve with xmodmap? |
| 06:33.12 | mnrmnaugh | im not sure. xmodmap says everything is fine, and ive havent really played with xev much at all |
| 06:33.42 | vrkansagara | ok thanks mnrmnaugh |
| 06:34.37 | mnrmnaugh | yw, sorry im useless :\ |
| 06:34.52 | vrkansagara | one Thing i want to ask more On this mnrmnaugh how can reconfigure whole keyboard with xmodmap |
| 06:35.05 | vrkansagara | i mean forcefully key strock map with each one |
| 06:35.10 | vrkansagara | is it posssible ? |
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| 06:39.37 | eanyx | Hi does anyone know how to check remote network duplex (half or full) without using autonegotiation? |
| 06:40.38 | mnrmnaugh | balls, he left before i finished typing..... |
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| 06:42.16 | Toff_Markin | Can you remove polkit on debian while still having something like KDE or Gnome installed through the package manager/ |
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| 07:22.41 | nurupo | is there a list of all debian architectures with short descriptions? |
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| 07:23.18 | nurupo | i found some list in some debian guide, but it's far from complete |
| 07:23.27 | nurupo | for example, i mises ppc64el |
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| 07:24.11 | nurupo | i also don't understand the difference between just "arm" and "armel" "armhf" |
| 07:24.29 | nurupo | i know the difference between "armel" "armhf" though |
| 07:24.36 | nurupo | but what is that "arm"? |
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| 07:25.04 | themill | arm doesn't exist any more |
| 07:26.11 | nurupo | that's the list i found https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch02s01.html.en |
| 07:26.18 | nurupo | the one with incomplete |
| 07:26.43 | Internat | Hi guys.. can anyone tell me what happened to openswan in debian? it appears i cant install it on the latest debian version |
| 07:26.53 | themill | https://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 07:27.24 | bazhang | ,v openswan |
| 07:27.25 | judd | Package: openswan on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:2.6.28+dfsg-5+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 |
| 07:28.29 | jelly | ,bug rm openswan |
| 07:28.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/736557 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: openswan -- RoQA; unmaintained, RC-buggy»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-01-24; last modified: 2014-07-30. |
| 07:28.35 | themill | nurupo: the list of archs in the release notes is exhaustive -- that's all the archs that are in jessie. |
| 07:28.47 | Internat | well that looks unfortunate |
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| 07:29.56 | themill | ,i strongswan |
| 07:29.57 | judd | Package strongswan (net, optional) in jessie/amd64: IPsec VPN solution metapackage. Version: 5.2.1-6; Size: 85.4k; Installed: 161k; Homepage: http://www.strongswan.org |
| 07:30.13 | themill | (that's what is considered to be the alternative that exists) |
| 07:30.39 | Internat | thanks. ill look into it |
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| 07:34.56 | nurupo | themill: thanks |
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| 07:41.32 | darxmurf | just a stupid question but |
| 07:42.04 | darxmurf | [ -z "$myvar" ] && { code... } |
| 07:42.11 | darxmurf | is not very clean no ?? |
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| 07:43.46 | mnrmnaugh | darxmurf, i see nothing wrong, but it depends. sometimes you need the delay/evaluation from if; then; else |
| 07:44.39 | darxmurf | for me it's much more clean to put if [ TEST ]; then... |
| 07:44.58 | darxmurf | this [ TEST ] && { blablabla } looks cheap :D |
| 07:45.20 | darxmurf | and the indent in VIM is a bit lost with it |
| 07:45.21 | darxmurf | :) |
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| 07:48.16 | mnrmnaugh | [ TEST ] && {code} will run faster, but if [ TEST ]; then {blah} is evaluated differently. #bash could explain better than me, my shellscripting is a lil rusty |
| 07:48.35 | darxmurf | :) |
| 07:48.37 | darxmurf | okay |
| 07:48.47 | darxmurf | oh and by the way |
| 07:49.09 | darxmurf | is MYVAR=$(code) cleaner than MYVAR=`code` ? |
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| 07:49.35 | mnrmnaugh | like inside if, for, while etc. you can use ( first this ) && ( then this ) for extra flow control |
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| 07:50.08 | mnrmnaugh | oh yes. please dont use backticks. the blend with qoutes and become illegible |
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| 07:51.40 | mnrmnaugh | $(code) is the better one. but the proper way is to make a function that is the contents of $(code) and then call that function later. variables are for storing strings really |
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| 07:55.48 | deepy | Hi, I've got a multiple monitor setup and I forgot how to add a new screen |
| 07:56.13 | babilen | Plug it in? |
| 07:56.25 | deepy | Beyond that, it is plugged in but I don't remember how to configure it |
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| 07:57.09 | babilen | I typically use xrandr with an incantation along the lines of " xrandr --output eDP1 --off --output DP2-1 --auto --output DP2-2 --auto --right-of DP2-1" (which would configure three screen, one of which is off, and two next to each other) |
| 07:57.33 | deepy | That's the one! |
| 07:57.39 | babilen | Other people prefer to use a graphical tool to configure this, arandr comes to mind, but desktop environments ship their own tools |
| 07:57.43 | Toff_Markin | Is it possible on debian to remove policykit through the package manager without all the things that depend on it? |
| 07:58.03 | babilen | Toff_Markin: No, they *depend* on it. |
| 07:58.38 | Toff_Markin | babilen, it seems kind of weird for a text editor to ultimately depend on policykit though. |
| 07:58.59 | babilen | Which text editor is that? |
| 07:59.24 | deepy | hmm, my HDMI-1 is not connecting |
| 08:00.03 | babilen | deepy: What is listed when you run "xrandr -q" (or just "xrandr", doesn't make a difference) |
| 08:00.54 | Toff_Markin | babilen, Kate I think. |
| 08:01.56 | deepy | DVI-I-1 connected, HDMI-1 connected, VGA-1 connected |
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| 08:03.12 | deepy | interesting, if I switch tty it shows up mirrored |
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| 08:03.48 | babilen | judd: why kate policykit-1 |
| 08:04.00 | judd | Packages kate and policykit-1 in jessie/amd64 are linked by 3 chains: kate ⶠkatepart ⶠlibkatepartinterfaces4 ⶠlibkio5 ⶠlibsolid4 ⷠudisks2 ⷠpolicykit-1; kate ⶠkatepart ⶠlibkatepartinterfaces4 ⶠlibkio5 ⶠlibsolid4 ⷠupower ⷠpolicykit-1; kate ⶠkatepart ⶠlibkatepartinterfaces4 ⶠlibkio5 ⷠkdelibs5-plugins ⷠkde-runtime ⶠphonon ⶠphonon-backend-vlc ⶠ|
| 08:04.01 | judd | vlc-plugin-pulse ⶠvlc ⷠvlc-plugin-notify ⶠlibnotify4 ⷠnotification-daemon ⶠlibcanberra-gtk3-0 ⶠlibgtk-3-0 ⶠlibcolord2 ⷠcolord ⶠpolicykit-1 |
| 08:04.47 | babilen | Toff_Markin: That isn't a Depends but a Recommends in each of those chains |
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| 08:05.32 | babilen | ("libsolid4 ⷠudisks2 ⷠpolicykit-1", "libsolid4 ⷠupower ⷠpolicykit-1" and "libcolord2 ⷠcolord ⶠpolicykit-1") |
| 08:05.51 | babilen | The ⷠare recommends and the ⶠdepends |
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| 08:06.06 | themill | (which is entirely intuitive if you wrote the code) |
| 08:06.15 | babilen | chuckles |
| 08:06.36 | Toff_Markin | babilen, isn't it a case that Kate depends on kdelib or something like that and that depends on policykit or something like that? |
| 08:06.46 | Toff_Markin | I'm not using debian by the way and I'm doing this from memory. |
| 08:06.56 | Toff_Markin | The queastion I am asking is of mostly theoretical concern. |
| 08:07.22 | themill | this isn't a question that can be answered in theory |
| 08:07.23 | babilen | Toff_Markin: I guess it would be much easier if you could tell us what you are trying to achieve *exactly*. Use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net to show us your commands and their output ... |
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| 08:07.47 | Toff_Markin | babilen, it's mostly theoretical,I just want to know how much of your system you have to pull out if you remove polkit on a binary distro. |
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| 08:08.07 | Toff_Markin | Since I just pulled it out on a source-based distro which required a lot of recompilation so I wonder how it works without USE flags. |
| 08:08.40 | Toff_Markin | And I recall like 7 months back seeing what apt-get remove policykit-1 would bring on debian which was a rather large list of packages as I recall. |
| 08:09.31 | babilen | On my system it would remove 13 packages (two of which are policykit*) |
| 08:10.13 | babilen | Toff_Markin: Why do you want to remove polkit? |
| 08:11.14 | Toff_Markin | babilen, well, I already have on my own system, and Ijust wanted to because I didn't use anything of it so why have all those daemons running? I just becamae curious how it would work on a binary distro since the process was cumbersome at best. |
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| 08:11.52 | babilen | You remove the package and that triggers removal of everything that depends (not recommends!) on it. |
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| 08:12.33 | Toff_Markin | Well, let me be more clear, i my case it involved recompiling several packages with different useflags so that they no longer offer support for polkit and thus no longer depend on it. |
| 08:12.37 | dmilith2 | "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.task.gda.pl/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/Release (invalid since 4h 59min 23s)" |
| 08:12.49 | Toff_Markin | I was wondering if debian would require you to then forgo to the entire package that depended on it or if it had a similar thing. |
| 08:13.04 | Toff_Markin | Like one of the things I had to recompile was upower to no longer offer support for polkit and thus no longer require it. |
| 08:15.04 | hexnewbie | If I were to try to boot Debian Jessie with kernel 2.6.32, what could possibly go wrong, other than systemd not working? Is there a reasonable chance the machine might boot? |
| 08:15.12 | babilen | Toff_Markin: Packages that have been compiled with support for and that also depend on polkit being present will be removed. |
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| 08:15.30 | babilen | hexnewbie: udev might be rather unhappy too |
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| 08:15.46 | babilen | wouldn't expect good things to happen |
| 08:15.50 | babilen | But TIAS |
| 08:15.57 | hexnewbie | OK, thanks for the pointer, I will look into that too. |
| 08:16.21 | themill | ,why upower policykit-1 |
| 08:16.23 | judd | Packages upower and policykit-1 in jessie/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: upower â· policykit-1 |
| 08:16.27 | themill | (no recompilation required) |
| 08:16.38 | babilen | Either way ... 2.6.32 is *ancient* and you really shouldn't use it. At all. No, not even on that old hoster that should have upgraded ages ago. Yes, it doesn't matter that it is cheap. |
| 08:17.19 | hexnewbie | Unfortunately, I have only remote access and I don't think grub-reboot works with RAID-1, so TIAS is a little bit of a dangerous path there... :) Newer kernels don't work, though |
| 08:17.36 | hexnewbie | The machine hasn't stopped crashing since I switched to 3.16 |
| 08:17.40 | babilen | Move to a different hoster. |
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| 08:23.05 | Toff_Markin | babilen, so there is no way to through the package manager say do not have polkit but have upower even though upower can exist wthout it? |
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| 08:24.56 | babilen | Toff_Markin: It's a Recommends (as themill just checked) and you can therefore remove policykit-1 and keep upower |
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| 08:33.27 | Toff_Markin | babilen, hmm |
| 08:33.43 | Toff_Markin | So if you remove polylicykit-1 on your system, what does the system want to remove? |
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| 08:36.39 | babilen | Toff_Markin: Why does it matter what it does on my system? |
| 08:38.01 | babilen | (essentially gdm3, NM, packagekit and libvirt) |
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| 08:40.22 | bartzy | And, can I somehow query dpkg/apt if a package is pinned and to what version? |
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| 08:46.56 | Toff_Markin | babilen, I'm merely curious what exactly depends on polkit on a source-based distro and debian is the only source-based distro I have remote experience with. |
| 08:47.12 | Toff_Markin | polkit is just an example, I could've used any of those low level systems. |
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| 09:00.35 | sebb_ | hi ! I'm using Debian jessie x64. I've got installed libjpeg62-turbo. But I need libjpeg8. Is that possible ? Where can I get this package ? Because it is not available from sudo apt-get |
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| 09:07.29 | bartzy | what changed...? |
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| 09:15.03 | JyZyXEL | File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apparmor/aa.py", line 3289, in store_list_var |
| 09:15.05 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | so apparmor management is written in python and it has unhandled exceptions |
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| 09:17.49 | sebb_ | hi ! I'm using Debian jessie x64. I've got installed libjpeg62-turbo. But I need libjpeg8. Is that possible ? Where can I get this package ? Because it is not available from sudo apt-get |
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| 09:35.50 | Chocolate_Chip | Is there a GNU/Linux equivalent to the software listed in this thread? |
| 09:35.52 | Chocolate_Chip | https://8ch.net/x/res/16926.html#17152 |
| 09:35.54 | Chocolate_Chip | https://8ch.net/x/res/16926.html |
| 09:36.04 | Chocolate_Chip | Didn't mean to link a specific post |
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| 09:41.19 | darxmurf | ,v libjpeg8-dev |
| 09:41.20 | judd | Package: libjpeg8-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 8b-1; wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1; sid: 8d1-2; stretch: 8d1-2 |
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| 09:41.38 | darxmurf | sebb_: libjpeg8-dev |
| 09:41.39 | darxmurf | ? |
| 09:42.26 | darxmurf | hum sorry, not in jessie you are right |
| 09:42.32 | darxmurf | strange |
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| 09:43.41 | darxmurf | Conflicts: libjpeg62-dev, libjpeg7-dev |
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| 09:47.51 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
| 09:48.50 | Chocolate_Chip | Apparently those files already exist |
| 09:48.59 | Chocolate_Chip | So how DO I use them to convert images to sound code? |
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| 09:55.38 | Chocolate_Chip | darxmurf, judd |
| 09:56.43 | raSter^ | is urban terror game available on debian 7? |
| 09:56.59 | Chocolate_Chip | Link and we can see |
| 09:57.23 | raSter^ | http://www.urbanterror.info/downloads/ |
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| 09:58.13 | Chocolate_Chip | This links a tarball, so yess |
| 09:58.29 | Chocolate_Chip | Yo uwill need to compile it yourself from the tarball if you can't find it in the repo |
| 09:59.18 | sebb_ | darxmurf, So how do I get libjpeg8 ? I mean my pillow is crashing when i try to convert my image. It needs libjpeg 8 and i dont know where to get it from |
| 09:59.56 | raSter^ | Chocolate_Chip, but if its in tarball, will it also include the dependencies it needed, like on the repo install? |
| 10:00.47 | Chocolate_Chip | I do not know what dependencies it needs. Usually, the developer will list any needed in the INSTALL file, which is instructions on how to install the software |
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| 10:01.22 | raSter^ | Chocolate_Chip, on the linux link it shows, its an executable |
| 10:01.28 | raSter^ | does it mean, i just run the binary? |
| 10:01.33 | Chocolate_Chip | Then I do not know |
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| 10:01.38 | Chocolate_Chip | Yes, run the binary |
| 10:01.53 | Chocolate_Chip | Try running the binary in a terminal and see the output |
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| 10:12.45 | raSter^ | hello Chocolate_Chip |
| 10:12.53 | raSter^ | i tried to execute it. but theres no reaction |
| 10:13.20 | raSter^ | i mean i did not see anything happen. and in terminal, it says unknown command if i type its file name |
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| 10:13.57 | raSter^ | i tried using the file manager, and i right click the file, and execute |
| 10:13.59 | raSter^ | it did nothing |
| 10:14.13 | raSter^ | should it be that i use the root on file manager and execute? |
| 10:14.39 | raSter^ | though in thunar it displays as its an executable file |
| 10:14.46 | raSter^ | and has an icon |
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| 10:28.18 | Chocolate_Chip | raSter^, I donno |
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| 10:28.48 | Chocolate_Chip | Is there a GNU/Linux equivalent to the software listed in this thread? |
| 10:28.54 | Chocolate_Chip | https://8ch.net/x/res/16926.html |
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| 10:37.14 | jenipapo | Hi all |
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| 10:41.51 | bstarek | hi |
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| 10:43.10 | BadCodSmell | I can't find a dbg package for liblzma, is that normal? Where can I find debug symbols as there is a memory leak :(? |
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| 10:55.54 | knivsta | there is there laptop that works out of the box with Trisquel gnu/linux which is free/libre OS |
| 10:56.03 | knivsta | but its touchpad won't work with Debian installation |
| 10:56.09 | knivsta | what could be the problem? |
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| 10:56.17 | knivsta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.16 | r6ku | text install |
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| 10:58.43 | knivsta | r6ku, Do you think it would work after installation? |
| 10:58.53 | knivsta | since it does support Free/libre Drivers out of the box? |
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| 11:03.06 | r6ku | doesn't matter, use a mouse instead |
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| 11:06.43 | DoctorD90 | hello! im trying to creating my own customized debian iso. im following 'willhaley create your own customized debian' guide, but at the end it doesnt work. It is also a little outofdate, because some package has been moved. But it wont work. May I ask support to anyone? |
| 11:07.01 | knivsta | r6ku, what? It works with Fully free OS certified by FSF called Trisquel, my question if why won't it work with Debian (Main repo) only? |
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| 11:10.55 | r6ku | knivsta: who knows, maybe it'll work after installation |
| 11:11.37 | knivsta | r6ku, no one knows? |
| 11:11.38 | knivsta | :) |
| 11:11.38 | knivsta | hehe |
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| 11:12.43 | r6ku | knivsta: clearly I have a list of every single laptop made and how compatible they are with debian |
| 11:13.03 | knivsta | r6ku, You do? |
| 11:13.07 | knivsta | uploaded it online? |
| 11:13.09 | r6ku | knivsta: use a mouse |
| 11:13.15 | knivsta | noooooo |
| 11:13.16 | knivsta | :/ |
| 11:13.20 | DoctorD90 | no one may help me? :) |
| 11:13.28 | knivsta | What do you want? |
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| 11:13.49 | DoctorD90 | knivsta: me? |
| 11:13.57 | knivsta | DoctorD90, I cannot help you that is real hi-tech stuff |
| 11:14.16 | DoctorD90 | ah ok :) never mind :) but thx :) |
| 11:14.21 | knivsta | Yep |
| 11:14.22 | knivsta | :) |
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| 11:20.44 | knivsta | r6ku, it works :) |
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| 11:21.34 | Guest49918 | how large should be the swap partition for 8 gb of ram? I have a 256 ssd |
| 11:21.57 | Guest49918 | 16 or 8? |
| 11:22.06 | rozie | 0 |
| 11:22.26 | r6ku | ^ unless you want hibernate |
| 11:22.44 | rozie | I think hibernation works with swap in file? |
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| 11:23.56 | rozie | and suspend to ram is usually enough |
| 11:24.47 | Guest49918 | rozie: I tried the "automatically partition mode" and it created a 9.8 GB swap partition |
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| 11:25.40 | rozie | what can I say? it's automagic ;-) |
| 11:25.51 | rozie | but you won't probably use it |
| 11:26.00 | rozie | (unless you want to hibernate) |
| 11:26.13 | Guest49918 | is it something wrong if give it a "strange" size like 10 GB or 11.2? |
| 11:26.43 | rozie | no. but if you have ssd, check if partition is alligned properly |
| 11:27.13 | Guest49918 | what do you mean by "alligned properly"? |
| 11:27.16 | Guest49918 | rozie: ^ |
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| 11:28.45 | rozie | http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2012/01/11/linux-ssd-partition-alignment-tips/ |
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| 11:29.20 | rozie | https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization?action=show&redirect=SSDoptimization#Partitions_and_Alignment |
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| 11:30.20 | DoctorD90 | Guest49918: if i may give you a suggest, i invite you to not use swap on ssd disk....because they 'consume' faster their life cicle, or this is what has happened to me. |
| 11:30.38 | DoctorD90 | with 8giga, live simple.... |
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| 11:33.56 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: you can just set vm.swappiness in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 11:34.27 | Guest49918 | DoctorD90: I have only a ssd no hdd |
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| 11:35.40 | Guest49918 | DoctorD90: also, what is the life cycle of an ssd? |
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| 11:36.31 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness |
| 11:37.02 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: when i meet ssd, i like to not create swap :P instead of edit randomly files, but thank! i will read about. oh, thx for link :) |
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| 11:38.06 | DoctorD90 | Guest49918: depend from ssd. I can only say that once it stops to work 1 sector, all ssd became.useless. this is what happened to me :P |
| 11:38.44 | shay_shay | but if you dont want the swap file hammering your ssd, adjust swappiness.. not having a swap is a solution to a problem which is already better solved by this swappiness setting |
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| 11:38.49 | phix | I like SSD |
| 11:38.56 | shay_shay | i like lamp |
| 11:39.01 | phix | I love lamp |
| 11:39.12 | phix | I love chair |
| 11:40.15 | DoctorD90 | i love linux |
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| 11:40.52 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: as said. due to unknoledge,i simply create 0 swap. i will read about swappiness settings :) |
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| 11:41.04 | fireba11 | question: my selfmade-NAS is running debian, and copying files via SMB stalls after about 100mb untill the disk write catches up, the system got 4GB ram ... where can i increase the cache used in this case? doesn't make sense not to use up all the available ram :-) |
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| 11:43.57 | shay_shay | fireba11: what does this return: sysctl -a | grep dirty |
| 11:44.06 | shay_shay | use pastebin |
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| 11:45.05 | Guest49918 | shay_shay: so adding vm.swappiness = 10 |
| 11:45.14 | Guest49918 | should be enough |
| 11:45.19 | Guest49918 | right? |
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| 11:46.40 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: thx. so from what i have read, just create it,andset swappiness to 0, so it will be used only when strictly necessary :) thx! |
| 11:46.52 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: dont use swappiness 0 |
| 11:47.01 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: make it like 10-15 |
| 11:47.19 | shay_shay | you want it to kick in before out of memory condition happens |
| 11:47.49 | shay_shay | swappiness 10 means your ram will have to be 90% full, which isnt very often |
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| 11:48.34 | DoctorD90 | ?? why? :/ ....my think is: i dont want use swap. but if it is necessary ok. in that way, 0 isnt the rigth one? 0o |
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| 11:49.07 | shay_shay | you want the system to use swap if there is absolutely no other choice |
| 11:49.08 | Guest49918 | DoctorD90: setting it to 0 is like not havving a swap partition |
| 11:49.38 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: exactly |
| 11:49.45 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: so set it at 10 or 15 |
| 11:49.55 | shay_shay | setting at 0 is overkill |
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| 11:50.07 | DoctorD90 | oh...ok! i belong on you :) |
| 11:50.12 | shay_shay | think of pouring oil out of a bottle |
| 11:50.15 | DoctorD90 | belive |
| 11:50.22 | shay_shay | you pour too fast, it actually goes slower |
| 11:50.32 | varaindemian | One can place a swap partition on an SSD. A recommended tweak for SSDs using a swap partition is to reduce the swappiness of the system to some very low value (for example 1), and thus avoiding writes to swap. |
| 11:50.34 | bartzy | How can I remove a package marked ârcâ by `dpkg -l`, but without deleting the configuration files (they are used by another package..) ? |
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| 11:51.38 | DoctorD90 | btw. i have understand. swappiness to.10 ^^ |
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| 11:52.14 | DoctorD90 | now i have to find transfer speed for ram and disks :P |
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| 11:52.55 | shay_shay | if you set swappiness to 10 and you have 8gb of ram, then you wont swap unless you have 7372.8MB worth of pages in ram |
| 11:53.03 | shay_shay | that does not include cache |
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| 11:53.24 | shay_shay | youll swap very rarely if your usage is anything like mine |
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| 11:54.13 | shay_shay | http://paste.debian.net/295378/ |
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| 11:54.56 | shay_shay | see i have 13g free |
| 11:55.17 | DoctorD90 | xD i want your ram xD ahahah |
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| 11:55.49 | Chocolate_Chip | I need help with a tarball. The package used to be in the apt-get repo, but no longer exists |
| 11:55.59 | Chocolate_Chip | So I'm using a tar ball, and it keeps giving me an error |
| 11:56.06 | babilen | Sounds as if you don't want that software either |
| 11:56.36 | DoctorD90 | swapiness is ( Chocolate_Chip try to update with apt-get update) |
| 11:57.12 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: swapiness is % of remain memory of when start to use swap space? rigth? |
| 11:57.28 | shay_shay | yes |
| 11:57.44 | DoctorD90 | totalRam*(100-swappines) |
| 11:57.51 | DoctorD90 | ok, understand better |
| 11:58.00 | Chocolate_Chip | DoctorD90, I searched the web repo as well |
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| 11:58.11 | DoctorD90 | uhm...not exactly that, but yes |
| 11:58.17 | Chocolate_Chip | https://paste.debian.net/295390/ |
| 11:58.32 | Chocolate_Chip | I think the kernel is too new |
| 11:58.38 | Chocolate_Chip | The driver is from 2006 |
| 11:58.44 | DoctorD90 | Chocolate_Chip: ah ok. sometimes i cant find. i update and i find it :P |
| 11:58.55 | Chocolate_Chip | What can I do |
| 11:59.00 | Chocolate_Chip | It isn't properly compiling |
| 11:59.26 | Chocolate_Chip | https://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hcf/full/downloads.php |
| 11:59.35 | DoctorD90 | i dont know :P sorry |
| 11:59.36 | Chocolate_Chip | Tried the deb |
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| 11:59.38 | Chocolate_Chip | Didn't work |
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| 12:00.28 | DoctorD90 | shay_shay: swappiness is today embedded in all debian version? or it is a package to be added? |
| 12:00.43 | DoctorD90 | it is in the core of system? |
| 12:00.47 | shay_shay | DoctorD90: built into linux kernel. all linux has it |
| 12:00.59 | Chocolate_Chip | Or gcc is too new |
| 12:01.28 | DoctorD90 | ok great. thx :) learn a new stuff today ^^ even my customized debian wont boot xD |
| 12:01.33 | Xaphan | #icq-australia ffs |
| 12:01.36 | Chocolate_Chip | https://paste.debian.net/295392/ |
| 12:01.40 | Xaphan | #icq-australia ffs |
| 12:01.43 | Chocolate_Chip | Here's the output of the .deb install |
| 12:01.43 | bezaban | !ops |
| 12:01.44 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 12:01.45 | Xaphan | #icq-australia ffs |
| 12:01.51 | DoctorD90 | thx shay_shay and all other |
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| 12:03.17 | bezaban | tips hat |
| 12:03.19 | Chocolate_Chip | an anyone help me? I really want to use my modm |
| 12:03.53 | Chocolate_Chip | My kernel is too new and is missing things that the driver requires, aparently |
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| 12:04.17 | Chocolate_Chip | I have the latest version of GCC, and the latest kernel that Debian provides |
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| 12:05.47 | ChrisH | Chocolate_Chip: 2 comments... 1. This channel suppprts Debian stable. 2. what is a modm? |
| 12:05.53 | Chocolate_Chip | Modem |
| 12:05.58 | Chocolate_Chip | I am in Jessie |
| 12:06.08 | Chocolate_Chip | The driver is from 2006 |
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| 12:06.12 | ChrisH | Chocolate_Chip: and what kind of modem is it? |
| 12:06.23 | Chocolate_Chip | Conexant 56k PCI HSF |
| 12:06.42 | varaindemian | shay_shay: so much pain with maintaining a ssd "healthy". I thought it was more simple |
| 12:06.47 | varaindemian | https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
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| 12:08.24 | Chocolate_Chip | Aparently the driver is designed for version 2.6 |
| 12:08.30 | Chocolate_Chip | Kernel, that is |
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| 12:09.59 | varaindemian | I found these simple steps for those interested in ssd optimizations: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd |
| 12:10.29 | ChrisH | Internal Modem... that was ugly eeven when modem were state-of-the-art. I do not assume this will work at all within resonable time. |
| 12:10.39 | shay_shay | varaindemian: beware, theres a lot of information out there which is no longer relevant to recent SSDs |
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| 12:14.56 | varaindemian | shay_shay: on wiki.debian.org or on sites.google.com? sites.google.com refers to Linux Mint 17.2 which is new... |
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| 12:16.14 | shay_shay | varaindemian: example: ""Optional: reserve seven percent for overprovisioning"" |
| 12:16.31 | shay_shay | on my SSDs that is only controlled by flashing the firmware |
| 12:16.54 | shay_shay | the os cannot see the overprovisioning space as unallocated space |
| 12:17.47 | shay_shay | so in a way it's misinformation, even if it's true for his, its not true for any of mine |
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| 12:19.19 | shay_shay | i can agree with: swappiness, noatime, and cron job fstrim |
| 12:19.47 | ChrisH | Chocolate_Chip: If you really needed modem support, get a serial attached modem and if needed a serial-usb converter... will save time |
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| 12:20.04 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
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| 12:20.30 | varaindemian | shay_shay: they recomand swappiness set to 1 |
| 12:20.35 | antlarr | anybody noticed libkolabxml1 is making lots of problems to upgrade a kde based debian system? |
| 12:20.38 | antlarr | it seems libstdc++6 5.2.1-15 breaks libkolabxml1 1.1.0-3 and there's no alternative to install, so libkolab0 has a broken dependency, thus kdepim-runtime has a broken dependency, and thus lots of kde packages have broken dependencies (including plasma) |
| 12:20.44 | shay_shay | varaindemian: paper doesnt refuse ink |
| 12:20.50 | antlarr | this collides with lots of new package upgrades (most noticeably, libreoffice) which needs libstdc++6 5.2.1 |
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| 12:22.43 | shay_shay | varaindemian: example of how too low of swappiness could be harmful : https://www.percona.com/blog/2014/04/28/oom-relation-vm-swappiness0-new-kernel/ |
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| 12:24.12 | docmur | tftpd-hpa was working a up until last night when I modifed some PHP files on my system. Then for no reason at all ( at least that I can see ), it turned off. Now I've restored the old PHP files but when I run service tftpd-hpa start, I get |
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| 12:24.16 | docmur | 08:22 -!- - freenode runs an open proxy scanner. Please join #freen |
| 12:24.25 | docmur | [....] Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd |
| 12:24.33 | docmur | \and then running status show's it still stopped |
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| 12:26.52 | quantic | shay_shay: that change bit one of my largest clients, necessitated a lot of configuration changes. |
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| 12:28.10 | varaindemian | shay_shay: thx for informating us. do you know a good guide with tips for maintaing a healthy ssd for beginners? |
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| 12:29.33 | hakarune | anyone online that's good with iptables? |
| 12:30.00 | quantic | varaindemian: courtesy of Google, "Linux SSD Guide,": https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Swap_Space_on_SSDs |
| 12:30.44 | quantic | varaindemian: remove the # and everything after, sorry about that. |
| 12:31.07 | quantic | hakarune: i can be, whats up? |
| 12:31.41 | varaindemian | quantic: arch also recommands setting swappiness to 1... |
| 12:32.05 | quantic | varaindemian: swappiness = 1 is fine, just not 0. |
| 12:32.19 | hakarune | quantic: I'm trying to connect to my server remotely (testing with vpn) but can't seem to. I have the port forwarding on my router setup and know it's set right, but still can't connect |
| 12:33.27 | hakarune | here's the current iptables setup: http://pastebin.com/f9ChMWYN |
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| 12:34.22 | quantic | hakarune: Could you give a few more details on the setup? What type of VPN, network topology between the endpoints, etc? |
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| 12:36.09 | hakarune | Oh, the vpn is on my tablet. I'm trying to connect to sickbeard & transmission from it to test out my blocking and access |
| 12:36.31 | varaindemian | quantic: well, I found this guide: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd#TOC-Optional:-reserve-seven-percent-for-overprovisioning |
| 12:37.12 | varaindemian | what do you think, except for "5 Optional: reserve seven percent for overprovisioning"? |
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| 12:37.17 | quantic | varaindemian: That right there makes me completely disregard that entire guide. That's controlled by the drive's firmware, not by you. |
| 12:37.31 | hakarune | it's just a standard OMV/Debian server setup on a private network. LAN has no problem accessing any part of it, but I was wanting to allow just a few connect ports for transmission so my phone on the go can connect |
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| 12:38.39 | Devlux | Anyone know what version of mono is in mono-runtime for wheezy? |
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| 12:39.23 | ChrisH | Devlux: apt-cache show mono-runtime |
| 12:39.25 | varaindemian | quantic: you mean "5 Optional: reserve seven percent for overprovisioning"? |
| 12:39.43 | Devlux | Thanks! |
| 12:40.07 | Devlux | Is systemd in wheezy too or just jessie? |
| 12:40.17 | quantic | varaindemian: That guide is crap. In NO way is it a good idea to control SSD Trim via rc.local. |
| 12:40.25 | quantic | Devlux: Just jessie. I think. |
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| 12:41.27 | abrotman | Devlux: it's in wheezy, but wasn't the default |
| 12:42.40 | Devlux | Ok thanks. |
| 12:42.51 | abrotman | Devlux: packages.debian.org/systemd |
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| 12:43.47 | Devlux | I've got wheezy going on a VPS with 1GB of ram and 1 CPU command line only and it's slow as molasses. Are there any tools I can use to troubleshoot? I literally have nothing on here but the defaults, no extra services and CPU doesn't appear to be pegged at all. |
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| 12:44.25 | bezaban | Devlux: connection perhaps? :/ |
| 12:44.35 | quantic | Devlux: Specifically what is slow? And who is your VPS provider, if I can ask? |
| 12:45.15 | Devlux | Well latency isn't bad at all. But for instance I just did a apt-get install on mono-runtime and it's been unpacking for well over 5 mins. |
| 12:45.46 | Devlux | Only 20.6 MB and I have 250GB of HD space. |
| 12:45.51 | Devlux | Host is vultr.com |
| 12:46.00 | quantic | Devlux: wait, this sounds familiar. |
| 12:46.21 | Devlux | Same thing occured when installing screen, htop and less |
| 12:46.27 | TJ- | Devlux: what kind of virtualisation does the host use? |
| 12:46.39 | quantic | Vultr uses KVM. |
| 12:46.49 | Devlux | Yeah ok that sounds right. |
| 12:47.12 | quantic | But I've seen this behavior before between very specific kernel versions and very specific SSDs, and I know that vultr uses SSD for everything, where storage I/O would drop through the floor. |
| 12:47.46 | Devlux | I'm not on an SSD instance though, I'm on a storage instance should be magnets :) |
| 12:47.53 | ChrisH | Devlux: atop to start |
| 12:47.58 | Devlux | Ok one min |
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| 12:48.32 | quantic | Devlux: their storage instances are SSD cached |
| 12:49.00 | Devlux | Ahh ok makes sense. Gonna be a moment on atop, it's not installed and mono is still unpacking. |
| 12:49.27 | Devlux | I already performed apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y there was nothing to update. |
| 12:50.15 | quantic | Devlux: Now, that's probably NOT the culprit, but it seems to fit. |
| 12:50.19 | Devlux | Does seem to be anything that touches storage though. |
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| 12:50.51 | Devlux | wonders why mono needs perl |
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| 12:51.19 | quantic | Devlux: The Great .Net Conspiracy. It's secretly just Perl on the backend. |
| 12:51.35 | MeatPopsicle | so how do i get icon packs in Debian? |
| 12:51.43 | MeatPopsicle | Jessie |
| 12:52.00 | Devlux | Figures |
| 12:52.20 | Devlux | Alright installing atop now |
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| 12:53.16 | Devlux | Since atop is something I've never actually used before, someone want to tell me what I should be looking for? I have 2 consoles open |
| 12:53.44 | wallbroken | update-grub unable to read superblock |
| 12:53.45 | wallbroken | why? |
| 12:53.50 | wallbroken | i get this error |
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| 12:54.06 | Ynot | hi there |
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| 12:54.50 | wallbroken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/vh0yo8v8ttutl87/grub.png?dl=0 |
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| 12:56.11 | knivsta | Is FDE offered by Debian truly uncrackable? |
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| 12:56.19 | knivsta | given I have a really strong random passphrase? |
| 12:56.30 | quantic | knivsta: Nothing is uncrackable. |
| 12:56.42 | quantic | knivsta: Just takes a really, really long time, dependent on your passphrase. |
| 12:57.07 | knivsta | quantic, but long long = 1 million year? |
| 12:57.16 | knivsta | or 100 yr = Truly Uncrackable |
| 12:57.33 | Devlux | Decided to do a git pull and now disk is lit up red in atop pegging 100%. What can I do about it though? |
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| 12:58.18 | varaindemian | quantic: so setting swappiness to 1 is definitely a must for an ssd. what else is important? |
| 12:59.01 | quantic | Devlux: Complain to vultr. How the hell is a git pull maxing io? |
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| 12:59.33 | Devlux | Yeah I dunno, it was though. |
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| 13:00.32 | ChrisH | Devlux: check for colored lines to start at |
| 13:00.32 | quantic | varaindemian: regular trim, ASSUMING that your SSD isn't one of the idiot ones that mishandles trim |
| 13:00.45 | TJ- | Devlux: your VPS may be on a severely over-committed host |
| 13:00.48 | quantic | varaindemian: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives |
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| 13:01.41 | ChrisH | Devlux: you saw the red line already :) have the VPS provider check the disk and check you contract on SLAs about Disk throughput |
| 13:01.46 | Devlux | Alright thanks I'll yell at them. Is there some way to prove it though? Like a stat or something I can ask them to run? |
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| 13:06.48 | BadCodSmell | Does debian provide any lightweight packages for simple command line image manipulation? |
| 13:06.55 | BadCodSmell | iamgemagick is overkill for pure resize |
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| 13:09.53 | Devlux | Uhh remember when you said specific kernel versions had issues with SSD? Is there a way to find out which kernels those were and then upgrade/downgrade around it before I try to bring in customer support from my host? |
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| 13:11.50 | quantic | Devlux: You're on a VPS, it's not YOUR kernel version that matters. The host is arbitrating disk access requests, it's the host's kernel that matters. Let me see if I can find a kernel version for you. |
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| 13:13.53 | quantic | Devlux: Actually, further reading makes me think this definitely isn't your issue. |
| 13:14.28 | quantic | Devlux: You do have what appears to be a storage I/O or contention problem, based on your abysmal performance. |
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| 13:15.35 | quantic | Devlux: I'd try benchmarking it with something like iozone and giving the results to Vultr support. |
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| 13:17.27 | Devlux | What package is iozone in? |
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| 13:17.30 | loin | hi guys, i have a nas and one hard drive (1TB) from it is marked as linux_raid_member but can be mounted as ext4 if i extract it and insert it into my laptop, the second one (4TB) is also marked as linux_raid_member but cannot be mounted as ext4, i get this error: EXT4-fs (sdc2): group descriptors corrupted!, if i use gparted and use 'repair' on it, then the nas won't recognize it anymore |
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| 13:18.25 | brontosaurusrex | BackEndCoder: PIL (Phatch seems to use that) |
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| 13:19.53 | ChrisH | loin: what kind of raid was on the disks? Raid0? |
| 13:19.56 | meder | so |
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| 13:20.19 | quantic | Devlux: http://www.iozone.org/ |
| 13:20.20 | meder | i upgraded to jessie and now i can't boot up without an error. i did a dist-upgrade after the apt-get update and one other command.. |
| 13:20.29 | meder | it said checkout journactl, here's the output from that: |
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| 13:20.35 | meder | http://defiant.arounds.org/debug.txt, far bottom |
| 13:20.45 | meder | seems like plymouth isn't installed? why would that be? |
| 13:20.59 | meder | it boots into recovery mode |
| 13:20.59 | loin | ChrisH, i can't say, when i set it up in the nas, i only get the option to format is as jbod |
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| 13:21.56 | themill | meder: looks like you need to add "noauto" or "nofail" to the fstab lines for removable devices that aren't present at book |
| 13:21.58 | themill | boot |
| 13:22.04 | ChrisH | loin: I assume these two disk are a RAID0 device and you need both to get all data. |
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| 13:22.21 | meder | themill: at the end? |
| 13:22.24 | meder | of the line? |
| 13:22.26 | loin | ChrisH, they both function separately |
| 13:22.27 | themill | meder: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-auto-mounts-incompat |
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| 13:22.39 | meder | themill: im in shell |
| 13:22.40 | loin | ChrisH, i can mount the second one without issues no problem |
| 13:22.41 | quantic | meder: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=119211 |
| 13:22.46 | meder | i cant view that |
| 13:23.05 | meder | let me read w/ phone |
| 13:23.05 | themill | meder: in the option field (4th field) |
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| 13:23.36 | ChrisH | loin: run blkid and show the output on paste.debian.net for all disks |
| 13:23.49 | meder | themill: so the plymouth thing isn't the major reason? |
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| 13:23.58 | meder | ill try |
| 13:24.07 | wdouglass | is there a way to write files to an ext2 filesystem without mounting it? |
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| 13:25.19 | themill | meder: you shouldn't need plymouth for terminal multiplexing. It looks like it's trying to start it but there are other earlier errors... one thing at a time |
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| 13:25.42 | loin | ChrisH, this is the one that doesn't mount, i'll go take the one that mounts out in a bit http://paste.debian.net/295553/ |
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| 13:27.21 | loin | ChrisH, here's the second one http://paste.debian.net/plain/295555 |
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| 13:28.52 | Devlux | Hmm hey guys, so on a lark I decided to just blow the OS away and drop ubuntu on there. It's running quick, but seriously Ubuntu is just debian isn't it? Why would ubuntu fix disk i/o contention? |
| 13:29.36 | TJ- | loin: what does "mdadm --query /dev/XXXX" report for each partition that is a RAID member |
| 13:29.42 | quantic | Devlux: Different kernel version? |
| 13:30.07 | wdouglass | Devlux: maybe some naughty program was on your old os image and got blown away? |
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| 13:30.21 | Devlux | Well it was just default base install on both |
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| 13:31.04 | Devlux | Kernel was 3.0.2 IIRC I'll look at ubuntu and see what it's running in a few mins. Right now it's doing a system update. |
| 13:32.49 | loin | TJ-, http://paste.debian.net/plain/295557 |
| 13:32.55 | Devlux | 3.19.0-25-generic |
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| 13:33.08 | Devlux | Ok so different kernel, but OMG wow what a difference. |
| 13:33.36 | meder | themill: ok i tried adding ",noauto" but , assuming i even used the right kernel version to boot into, it went into that system error and not even recovery mode on default |
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| 13:33.43 | meder | i should be using 3.2, right? not systemv? |
| 13:33.56 | meder | not 3.16.x.. since 3.2 is newer? |
| 13:34.20 | loin | TJ-, http://paste.debian.net/plain/295558 |
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| 13:34.36 | annbow | Devlux: or different compiling options, compare the /boot/config-* |
| 13:35.13 | TJ- | loin: ouch. you've got 2 different MD devices there, with different metadata levels (1.2 and 0.9) |
| 13:35.14 | themill | meder: 16 > 2 |
| 13:35.28 | Devlux | Too late now, I already blew it away. Sorry about that |
| 13:35.30 | meder | themill: ok |
| 13:35.44 | meder | it goes into "oops, an error has occurred." and theres like one button in the middle |
| 13:35.47 | meder | weird |
| 13:35.52 | phix | meder: nice |
| 13:36.02 | annbow | Devlux: nvm then. as a side note, you can install ubuntu's kernel on debian without debian-specific tweaking |
| 13:36.09 | meder | that goes for both booting into systemv and i guess systemd |
| 13:36.11 | quantic | Devlux: Let me know if you want to try it again. :P |
| 13:36.12 | meder | or whatever the new one is |
| 13:36.26 | meder | this was after adding ",noauto" and installing plymouth |
| 13:36.44 | meder | i undid noauto though, and it still did that. ill try uninstalling plymouth? |
| 13:36.52 | meder | could i also safely downgrade back to wheezy? |
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| 13:37.13 | Devlux | I'll probably do that in the future right now the requirement is just to have a functioning server going in the next couple of hours and I have 3hrs of building ahead to make that happen. |
| 13:37.28 | varaindemian | quantic: this is the ssd I have: https://www.wave.com/mz7ln256hchp-000l7 |
| 13:38.01 | quantic | Devlux: good luck! |
| 13:38.03 | spaceone | i have a debian source package. how can i apply all patches in it? |
| 13:38.19 | TJ- | loin: I'd manually start each as a separate array with --readonly, then examine the /dev/mapper/<node> for each to check for partition table/file-system signatures |
| 13:38.33 | themill | spaceone: which package and how are you unpacking it? |
| 13:38.46 | spaceone | themill: i just did apt-get source openldap |
| 13:38.51 | themill | meder: there's no way of downgrading. Perhaps you could pastebin the output |
| 13:39.23 | Chocolate_Chip | What is good SSTV software |
| 13:39.27 | loin | TJ-, the 4tb one (1.2) is completely empty, these devices are not in any type of raid so they should work individually |
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| 13:39.45 | loin | as far as i know of |
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| 13:40.07 | varaindemian | quantic: it is PM871. does it mean it on the black list? |
| 13:40.24 | TJ- | loin: according to the metadata they are both RAID-0, probably only using single backing disk |
| 13:40.29 | Devlux | OMG I hate myself right now. Just realized I blew away the wrong server. No wonder it's so much faster :( |
| 13:40.34 | themill | spaceone: for that particular source package, "quilt push -a" by the looks of it |
| 13:40.38 | MeatPopsicle | what repository do I need to add to get firefox? |
| 13:40.54 | Devlux | Brb need to find a rosary and possibly a priest to give me last rights. |
| 13:41.02 | MeatPopsicle | trying to install it but the jessie main contrib non-free doesnt have it |
| 13:41.08 | themill | MeatPopsicle: it's called "iceweasel". You might like to look at mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:41.31 | MeatPopsicle | themill does it have plugin support? |
| 13:41.41 | loin | TJ-, checking fdisk it seems like the f1 is a dos partition table while the 4tb one is gpt, should that matter? |
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| 13:41.51 | themill | MeatPopsicle: the only difference is the logo |
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| 13:42.25 | TJ- | loin: it's possible there is LVM or some such within the 'problem' one that won't directly mount. It has 0.90 metadata which means its stored at the end of the device. 1.2 metadata is 4K from the start of the device |
| 13:42.27 | MeatPopsicle | ah ok thank you, I had read that iceweasel does not support plugins but that may have been an older version |
| 13:42.42 | spaceone | themill: it tells me "No series file found" but debian/patches/series exists |
| 13:42.47 | themill | MeatPopsicle: iceweasel has always supported plugins. Don't believe everything you read. |
| 13:42.55 | TJ- | loin: I doubt it, they're both valid disk labels |
| 13:43.09 | themill | spaceone: you might need to «export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches» |
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| 13:43.23 | loin | TJ-, can you please help me "start the array with --readonly to examine /dev/mapper" ? |
| 13:43.37 | MeatPopsicle | themill probably should have tested it, it supports the pepperflash plugin? |
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| 13:44.05 | themill | MeatPopsicle: no, nothing other than chrome/chromium supports that API |
| 13:44.11 | spaceone | themill: nice, works. Thank you |
| 13:44.38 | TJ- | loin: I got my comments the wrong way around. It is the 1.2 metadata 4TB device that you're having the problem with. That's the one that might have LVM or whatever, but you need to open that MD device and access its /dev/mapper/<node> in order to find valid contents. |
| 13:44.52 | themill | dpkg: tell MeatPopsicle about adobe flash |
| 13:45.05 | meder | themill: of the journal log? |
| 13:45.09 | meder | what was the command again of it? |
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| 13:45.29 | TJ- | loin: for the 0.90 metadata 1TB disk, the contained data starts at sector 0 so you can mount that directly as a file-system too, as well as creating a /dev/mapper/<node> and accessing as an MD device |
| 13:45.34 | meder | its weird, it was booting without that 1-button system failed error before |
| 13:45.56 | meder | why would it be doing that now even after i undid the plymouth + fstab entries.. |
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| 13:46.09 | meder | unless im booting into the wrong version, i went into 3.16 as you said |
| 13:46.19 | loin | TJ-, can i downgrade the 1.2 to .9 so that i can mount it as fs? |
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| 13:47.39 | TJ- | loin: something like "mdadm --readonly --assemble /dev/md99 /dev/sdcX" *should* do it |
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| 13:48.21 | TJ- | loin: then you can examine /dev/mapper/md99 for other structures with "blkid /dev/mapper/md99" |
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| 13:48.42 | MeatPopsicle | themill is there a netflix plugin for iceweasel |
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| 13:48.51 | themill | MeatPopsicle: nfc |
| 13:49.28 | tinyhippo | MeatPopsicle: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=netflix+plugin+iceweasel |
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| 13:50.06 | loin | TJ-, /dev/md/NSA320:1: UUID="dbb9c8a6-89b0-4293-825d-71015ea7b89f" TYPE="ext4" |
| 13:50.53 | TJ- | loin: OK, so if you fsck /dev/md/NSA320:1 it should show a valid ext file-system |
| 13:51.50 | Slashman | hello, I'm looking for an apt/aptitude command to force the installation of a package in the same version, eg: package example version 7.1.1, my goal is to replace some locally modified files, I don't want to use remove because I'm not sure of what it may remove |
| 13:52.24 | meder | themill: what should i paste from my errors? which error log? |
| 13:52.33 | annbow | Slashman: apt-get install --reinstall ? |
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| 13:54.01 | Slashman | annbow: thanks |
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| 13:55.54 | loin | thank you very much TJ- |
| 13:55.57 | loin | you've been very helpful |
| 13:55.58 | TJ- | Slashman: if I remember correctly apt-get won't usually replace sysadmin conf files that have been removed without also "-o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" |
| 13:56.01 | loin | i can see the files now |
| 13:56.11 | loin | i was going to smash the 4tb drive |
| 13:56.14 | loin | but now i won't |
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| 13:56.17 | TJ- | loin: the layers of indirection can get very confusing! |
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| 13:56.30 | loin | TJ-, i'm pretty sure that i've been doing it wrong my entire life |
| 13:56.35 | loin | mounting the raid0 drive directly as ext4 |
| 13:56.40 | Slashman | I used "aptitude reinstall" in the end, it did the trick |
| 13:56.51 | JyZyXEL | what Apt Preference is used if multiple pinnings match a package? |
| 13:56.54 | TJ- | loin: possibly... that is one problem with 0.90 metadata |
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| 13:59.46 | loin | TJ-, any steps required after i umount the /dev/md/... ? |
| 13:59.53 | loin | like mdadm --disassemble or anything |
| 13:59.57 | loin | or i just power the drive off? |
| 14:00.22 | frostschutz | loin, mdadm --stop /dev/mdX |
| 14:00.23 | TJ- | loin: "mdadm --stop /dev/md/XXX" |
| 14:00.51 | TJ- | loin: "mdadm --stop /dev/mapper/mdXXX" even :) |
| 14:01.13 | loin | nice, thanks very much frostschutz and TJ- |
| 14:01.18 | loin | I'm off to migrate the data |
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| 14:03.44 | g00se | Is it just me or is tab moving in Iceweasel 38.2.0 broken? |
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| 14:16.58 | ebarrett | hey guy and gals, I'm really struggling to disable perf on debian 8. Does anyone know if it's possible? http://serverfault.com/questions/714648/how-to-disable-perf-subsystem-in-linux-kernel |
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| 14:19.10 | rozie | ebarrett: take a look on kernel sources. it should be handled there |
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| 14:19.18 | meder | posted the latest journactl log @ http://defiant.arounds.org/debug2.txt. anyone able to help me out? i get "Oh no, something has gone wrong" on startup. |
| 14:19.41 | meder | i have to boot into recovery mode |
| 14:19.41 | ebarrett | rozie: alas, the option is hardcoded on as far as i can see, as the screenshot in the link shows |
| 14:19.58 | ebarrett | i might be wrong, as I'm no linux expert |
| 14:20.54 | phix | I am a linux expert, what's the question? |
| 14:21.16 | ebarrett | phix: see the backlog |
| 14:21.21 | phix | I am lazy |
| 14:21.22 | rozie | ebarrett: this is barely config tool. even if values are hardcoded, you can change them in source |
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| 14:22.14 | AndreeeCZ | hi. Im trying to install wheezy 7.8.0 on a headless server via vnc and get this after trying to partition the entire drive using LVM |
| 14:22.15 | AndreeeCZ | http://i.imgur.com/qvpNOHf.png |
| 14:22.23 | AndreeeCZ | does this denote a hardware problem? |
| 14:22.31 | phix | AndreeeCZ: VNC? use SSH |
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| 14:23.17 | ebarrett | rozie: ok, so I should try just undefining the relveant variable in the config file |
| 14:23.42 | ebarrett | will I know if I succeeded somehow? Will the perf sysctls have disappeared? |
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| 14:24.55 | ebarrett | rozie: in init/Kconfig right? |
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| 14:25.11 | rozie | I'd search in kernel soruces, not config |
| 14:26.16 | ebarrett | eh, this is a deeper rabbit hole than I would have liked |
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| 14:27.18 | c0-0d | hello, i hava a failed sha512 signature |
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| 14:28.06 | AndreeeCZ | phix, there is no system on that machine |
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| 14:30.32 | c0-0d | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/255873/14398218/ |
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| 14:30.54 | c0-0d | failed sha512 sig |
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| 14:31.42 | meder | http://defiant.arounds.org/xorg.txt - this is the output from xorg.0.txt - i have a "Oh no, something has gone wrong" when i do 'startx' |
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| 14:32.02 | meder | anyone know what I can do? I think i had nvidia drivers on wheezy before i upgraded to jessie and its incompatible now maybe |
| 14:32.34 | meder | pretty sure my gfx card is nvidia optimus or something, but i also saw intel hd 4000 as well |
| 14:32.59 | mtn | meder, so install nvidia again? or maybe you need bumblebee, if this a laptop |
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| 14:33.23 | mtn | meder, you can research both at the debian wiki |
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| 14:34.03 | c0-0d | hi mtn |
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| 14:34.20 | mtn | c0-0d, hi |
| 14:35.13 | c0-0d | I have a mis-sig on my debian 8.1.0 |
| 14:35.16 | c0-0d | https://paste.fedoraproject.org/255873/14398218/ |
| 14:35.35 | c0-0d | i can send you the iso if you want to |
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| 14:36.25 | mtn | c0-0d, if you are talking to me, I have no thoughts on that problem. |
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| 14:39.28 | meder | mtn: well i dont have a gui, hard to look at the wiki i guess |
| 14:39.39 | meder | dont have a second laptop |
| 14:39.43 | c0-0d | someone who knows about failur in sha512 sig |
| 14:40.01 | mtn | meder, use a live disk. use a terminal browser. one way or the other you will need to do some research |
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| 14:42.15 | c0-0d | any support for failed sha512 |
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| 14:43.39 | phix | happy-dude: How happy are you? Do you need your stomach pumped? |
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| 14:44.28 | OerHeks | c0-0d, download it again. |
| 14:44.56 | c0-0d | 8 |
| 14:44.58 | c0-0d | ok |
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| 14:45.10 | c0-0d | but do you think i got "Hacked"? |
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| 14:46.10 | c0-0d | OerHeks ? |
| 14:46.24 | mtn | c0-0d, no, not a hack |
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| 14:46.43 | c0-0d | mit hack? |
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| 14:46.51 | mtn | c0-0d, not likely |
| 14:47.03 | c0-0d | what then ? |
| 14:47.05 | Rudde | Hello, what is the difference between stream and block encryption of filenames in EncFS? |
| 14:47.06 | OerHeks | bad download does not mean you are hacked, flaky network more likely |
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| 14:47.58 | varaindemian | is this a correct way to enable Trim for an ssd? It's 3 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kl0bYLFXSg |
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| 14:48.50 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 14:49.23 | cousin_luigi | Is there a way to find out what process killed another? |
| 14:49.30 | meder | mtn: bumblebee did it. thank you |
| 14:49.40 | mtn | meder, nice and you are welcome |
| 14:50.16 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: check dmesg, in case it might have been OOM (but the chance is near 0 to get the wanted information) |
| 14:50.18 | cousin_luigi | Screen keeps dying on me with retcode 137, seemingly at random, but I do wonder if some cronjob or daemon could be involved. |
| 14:50.51 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: Thing is I have no access to dmesg or other logging facilities, being a mere mortal on that machine. Is there anything I can do? |
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| 14:53.10 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: You have a screen running? Then you shopuld be able to run dmesg the same way. |
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| 14:53.28 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: oh right. |
| 14:53.54 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: how would you log whatever happened? |
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| 14:54.34 | cousin_luigi | Like dmesg > dmesg.$(date) or something? |
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| 14:55.12 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: run dmesg and have a lock... OOM is Out Of Memeory Killer and it fills dmesg pretty much. |
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| 14:56.41 | starbuck | hello, I'm a bit confused, iptables is no netfilter. there also is a packet netfilter-persistent. Were are the configuration files (rules.v4, rules.v6) stored now, respectively what are the new rules files called? |
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| 14:56.57 | starbuck | do I still need iptables-persistent as a module? |
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| 15:00.15 | varaindemian | anyone? |
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| 15:01.02 | mtn | varaindemian, I doubt anyone will watch a youtube video just to know what your question is ;) |
| 15:01.41 | varaindemian | mtn: :D |
| 15:01.56 | jelly | starbuck: I think you just install iptables-persistent put them in the same place, /etc/iptables ? |
| 15:02.06 | varaindemian | mtn: 1. Edit /etc/fstab |
| 15:02.06 | varaindemian | Add "discard,noatime" to the mount options |
| 15:02.08 | varaindemian | 2. Manually run "fstrim / -v" |
| 15:02.09 | bazhang | he wants trim support, hdparm etc |
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| 15:03.49 | starbuck | jelly, what about netfilter-persistent? |
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| 15:05.03 | jelly | starbuck: what about it? |
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| 15:06.56 | Devlux | Ok I'm very confused I did a screen -r and it says no screen to be resumed, yet... |
| 15:07.00 | Devlux | root@vultr:~# screen -r 1430 |
| 15:07.02 | Devlux | There is a screen on: |
| 15:07.02 | starbuck | jelly, why dies it exist? |
| 15:07.03 | Devlux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.05 | Devlux | There is no screen to be resumed matching 1430. |
| 15:07.05 | starbuck | does |
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| 15:09.55 | jelly | starbuck: description of iptables-persistent packages explains one is implemented as plugin for the other, "apt-cache show iptables-persistent" |
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| 15:10.44 | starbuck | jelly, ok, this is fucking stupid |
| 15:10.47 | colo-work | Devlux, try `screen -dr 1430.pts-1.vultr` |
| 15:11.04 | Devlux | Thanks |
| 15:11.05 | jelly | Devlux: it's already attached to some other tty, add either -x to connect it to the second tty, or -d to detach it first |
| 15:11.27 | jelly | Devlux: something like "screen -rx vultr" ought to work |
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| 15:12.32 | jelly | starbuck: not sure why you consider backwards compatibility "fucking stupid", but that's not a tech support issue is it |
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| 15:13.25 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: how can I do that when I'm absent? |
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| 15:14.19 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: start your screen with -L and run dmesg afterwards... there should not too much stuff in dmesg output. DID you check dmesg at all? Did you have a look at the timestamps? |
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| 15:15.32 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: it's full of network-related stuff |
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| 15:16.03 | cousin_luigi | ChrisH: I'm not sure how to convert the timestamps to human-readable:/ |
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| 15:18.54 | ChrisH | cousin_luigi: dmesg -T and show me one or more lines on paste.debian.net please |
| 15:19.05 | starbuck | jelly, debian calls the new process netfilter-persistent.service. the package which provides the functionality is called iptables-persistent which is a 'module' for netfilter-persistent which is a requirement. the base package is still called iptables. what would make sense: a package called netfilter-modules wit a base package netfilter. but you are right, no topic for tech support, still stupid imho. thnx anyway |
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| 15:23.10 | InspectorCluseau | ChrisH, > http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/converting_unixtimestamp.htm |
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| 15:26.10 | ChrisH | InspectorCluseau: ICMP redirect cousin_luigi |
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| 15:28.58 | c0fe_machine | is there a difference in the firewalls between debian and centos besides centos coming with selinux? |
| 15:29.06 | RoyK | no |
| 15:29.13 | RoyK | both use iptables |
| 15:29.28 | c0fe_machine | so then centos runs iptables as a service? |
| 15:29.33 | c0fe_machine | cause i can run a command service iptables stop |
| 15:29.37 | c0fe_machine | but debian 8 cannot |
| 15:29.40 | RoyK | centos has its fwconfig wrapper and ubuntu/debian has ufw |
| 15:29.49 | c0fe_machine | oh i see |
| 15:29.59 | RoyK | ufw works for most things |
| 15:30.26 | tinyhippo | /31/21 |
| 15:30.29 | RoyK | fwconfig, which came into centos/rhel7 can do a bit more, but *cannot* do logging |
| 15:30.31 | c0fe_machine | i have heard a lot of people disliking ufw is there any reason for that? |
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| 15:30.49 | RoyK | c0fe_machine: there are people disliking a lot of things - find out for yourself |
| 15:31.01 | bazhang | ,v gufw |
| 15:31.02 | judd | Package: gufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; stretch: 12.10.0-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1 |
| 15:31.18 | bazhang | use the gui c0fe_machine ^ |
| 15:31.22 | RoyK | ,v ufw |
| 15:31.23 | judd | Package: ufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.29.3-1; wheezy: 0.31.1-2; sid: 0.33-2; jessie: 0.33-2; stretch: 0.33-2 |
| 15:31.51 | c0fe_machine | bazhang: i am running debian 8 in an openvz container |
| 15:32.00 | RoyK | then just use ufw |
| 15:32.18 | bazhang | nothing to dislike then |
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| 15:33.23 | sillysausage | what desktop environment does debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard.iso have? |
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| 15:33.55 | c0fe_machine | sillysausage: i believe gnome 3 by default |
| 15:33.59 | RoyK | hm... just tried gufw and it told me firewall was disabled. lots of rules in ufw and it certainly works. what did gufw do to oversee this? |
| 15:34.11 | sillysausage | then what is debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 15:34.46 | sillysausage | someone should make a debian spin with i3wm :) |
| 15:34.52 | sillysausage | who needs desktop environments heh |
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| 15:34.57 | jelly | ,v i3wm |
| 15:34.58 | judd | No package named 'i3wm' was found in amd64. |
| 15:35.06 | sillysausage | it's probably i3 |
| 15:35.08 | sillysausage | ,v i3 |
| 15:35.09 | judd | Package: i3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.10.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.10.3-1; sid: 4.10.3-1 |
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| 15:36.24 | sillysausage | also |
| 15:36.27 | sillysausage | ,v i3-wm |
| 15:36.28 | judd | Package: i3-wm on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.10.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.10.3-1; sid: 4.10.3-1 |
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| 15:38.09 | sillysausage | i saw one sort of livecd with it called wattOS-Microwatt |
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| 15:38.53 | sillysausage | oh wait that is debian based |
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| 15:39.38 | c0fe_machine | just looked up wattos and don't see what exactly is the point of it |
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| 15:40.38 | sillysausage | neither do i |
| 15:40.55 | sillysausage | other than the micro version was the only distro i know of that comes with i3-wm live |
| 15:41.25 | c0fe_machine | i was thinking it was a distro for home wiring or something and thought "neat" and then got disappointed |
| 15:41.29 | sillysausage | up until now ive just used alpinelinux for that |
| 15:41.34 | sillysausage | c0fe_machine: heh |
| 15:41.41 | sillysausage | i think that guy just likes electricity |
| 15:41.46 | sillysausage | and back to the future |
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| 15:42.34 | c0fe_machine | sillysausage: maybe |
| 15:42.42 | sillysausage | watt makes me think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Brown |
| 15:42.45 | c0fe_machine | ok so dunkin donuts flavored coffee is disgusting |
| 15:42.56 | sillysausage | and the guy that runs it is called "biff" and i remember that was one of the characters lol |
| 15:43.22 | sillysausage | c0fe_machine: true i like to make my own |
| 15:44.31 | c0fe_machine | I do like McCafe's coffee |
| 15:44.37 | c0fe_machine | well their ground coffee |
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| 15:49.19 | AndreeeCZ | can this durring install be anything else than a HW error? i.imgur.com/TmolJAL.png |
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| 15:50.31 | jelly | AndreeeCZ: probably not. Which proliant model is this, are there sas or sata disks inside? |
| 15:50.58 | AndreeeCZ | its proliant se series |
| 15:51.03 | AndreeeCZ | im told its ~5y/o |
| 15:51.36 | AndreeeCZ | there is a hw raid controller p410, regarding the disks themselves, i'm not sure |
| 15:51.37 | jelly | still... sas or sata? |
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| 15:51.46 | AndreeeCZ | sec |
| 15:52.08 | jelly | I'd boot a livecd and run hpacucli |
| 15:52.35 | aeg | Hi trying to access a Jessie->ssh->mysql using Mysql Workbench form debian7.8 with 3.16.0-0.bpo.4; i get a Incompatible ssh peer (no acceptable kex algorithm). error |
| 15:52.35 | c0fe_machine | so IBM is going to use Ubuntu for mainframes |
| 15:52.36 | c0fe_machine | :X |
| 15:52.45 | c0fe_machine | yikes |
| 15:52.50 | jelly | c0fe_machine: #debian-offtopic is over there -> |
| 15:53.14 | AndreeeCZ | c0ded, not macs? Haven't they been flirting with apple regarding the enterprise stuff? :-P |
| 15:53.22 | AndreeeCZ | ah sorry |
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| 15:53.59 | c0fe_machine | how good of support does debian 8 give towards SANs storage? |
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| 15:55.25 | jelly | c0fe_machine: 6-7 used to have very suboptimal kernel scsi and fc hba config. Never tried 8, ours are all virtualized now |
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| 15:56.30 | aib | is there a way to specify an /etc/network/interfaces:"iface name inet dhcp" to not to update resolv.conf? |
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| 15:56.44 | aib | s/specify/instruct |
| 15:56.56 | jelly | aib: no, but |
| 15:57.03 | jelly | !tell aib about override dns |
| 15:57.33 | aib | Alright, I guess I can do with 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:58.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's also opendns, or the level3 nameservers. |
| 15:58.32 | factor | Anyone interested #LinuxCon keynotes kick off at 9 am PT! Tune into to view the livestream for real-time updates http://bit.ly/17O9BOEÂ |
| 15:58.42 | factor | You have to sign up but easy |
| 15:58.48 | factor | starting now. |
| 15:59.07 | aib | This one is a bit harder: I have a Raspberry Pi which I want to connect to a specific WiFi network. Always. Always retrying. Removing/adding WiFi dongles and the AP disappearing or reappearing or timing out should not stop the device from retrying. It's crucial. How can I set this up? I current have a wpa-roam config which works... halfway. |
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| 16:01.19 | jelly | AndreeeCZ: P410 is something like DL 380 G5-G6 age, 6 years back. since the errors are unusual, I'd first check the state with hpacucli/hpssacli. How did you initialize the array, from BIOS? |
| 16:01.34 | jelly | aib: are you sure you're running Debian and not Raspbian? |
| 16:01.47 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 16:01.47 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 16:02.55 | AndreeeCZ | jelly, the array was initialized with its own small utility (which is offered to be ran before booting procedures) |
| 16:02.59 | AndreeeCZ | i'll run hpacucli |
| 16:03.16 | c0fe_machine | jelly: you can virtualize remote storage? |
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| 16:04.25 | aib | I'm running raspbian. The Debian answer would help me immensely, though. I never got the whole ifup/ifdown thing and now coupled with iw* and wpa_supplicant and network-manager and the documentation lying in pieces (wpa-roam and wpa-conf were in /usr/doc and not on a manual page, for example) left me dazed and confused |
| 16:05.30 | aib | Just tell me this; is there a way to set up wpa_supplicant to keep searching for higher-priority networks in the background (and switch) even as it is connected to a network? |
| 16:05.55 | aib | s/;/: |
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| 16:06.47 | rozie | there is "automatically connect to this network" option in wicd |
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| 16:07.19 | jelly | aib: dunno, I'd start by RTFM wpa_supplicant.conf and wpa_supplicant. It's more of a lower level tool tho, something like wicd might be a better option |
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| 16:07.41 | rozie | but I'm pretty sure it's not what you would like |
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| 16:07.55 | aib | does wicd have GUI dependencies? |
| 16:08.09 | aib | "Wicd is written in Python and GTK+. Alternatively, a version of Wicd for KDE..." |
| 16:08.14 | rozie | OTOH simple daemon could do what you want (scan, compare avaliable network priorities, connect) |
| 16:08.20 | jelly | c0fe_machine: yes, fsvo remote (not using linux tho) |
| 16:08.22 | rozie | aib: it has cli interface too |
| 16:08.52 | c0fe_machine | jelly: what do you use then? |
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| 16:09.12 | jelly | c0fe_machine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_SAN_Volume_Controller |
| 16:09.26 | rozie | aib: wicd-curses is fine |
| 16:09.40 | aib | I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 16:14.10 | _gryf | hi |
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| 16:15.06 | _gryf | is there any server where I can download a really old debian cd or dvd images? |
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| 16:16.00 | jelly | dpkg, tell _gryf -about cd archive |
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| 16:16.56 | _gryf | jelly, thanks |
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| 16:28.31 | scrotum | Kazam!! |
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| 16:29.13 | subz3r0 | hi folks |
| 16:29.31 | scrotum | hey |
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| 16:29.39 | subz3r0 | which package must i install to just get gnome shell? |
| 16:29.49 | subz3r0 | means witout any extras. no libre office no nothing |
| 16:30.10 | jelly | !install gnome |
| 16:30.10 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 16:30.42 | scrotum | Why gnome? |
| 16:30.46 | jelly | subz3r0: pick your poison, just not "1." |
| 16:31.08 | subz3r0 | scrotum: could you precise ypur question more? |
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| 16:31.20 | subz3r0 | 1.? |
| 16:31.30 | subz3r0 | ahh... |
| 16:31.36 | jelly | subz3r0: don't pick the 1. option |
| 16:31.56 | subz3r0 | jelly: got it |
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| 16:32.30 | subz3r0 | jelly: what means "upstream gnome"? |
| 16:32.47 | subz3r0 | actual? |
| 16:32.51 | jelly | subz3r0: every component that Gnome developers call a part of Gnome |
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| 16:35.50 | subz3r0 | jelly: why is #5 not recommended? |
| 16:36.04 | subz3r0 | and who says/thinks its to recommended |
| 16:36.27 | Guest40321 | got an error at installation about installing non-free firmware (iwlwifi-7265-9.ucode and iwlwifi-7265-8.ucode). Is it ok if I continue installation and then take the driver using this: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation ? |
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| 16:36.50 | Guest40321 | not an error, a message** |
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| 16:37.16 | jelly | subz3r0: I don't use Gnome at all, can't comment on specifics |
| 16:38.01 | subz3r0 | Guest40321: only you can decide if you want to install something or not |
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| 16:38.17 | subz3r0 | maybe you shoulk ask yourself justr one queston |
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| 16:38.25 | subz3r0 | "DO I NEED THIS" |
| 16:38.30 | subz3r0 | if its no -> skip it |
| 16:39.15 | subz3r0 | maybe you want to google for "KISS" principal |
| 16:39.28 | subz3r0 | in short. keep it small and simple |
| 16:39.31 | scrotum | I did compile and install awesome wm version 3.5 |
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| 16:39.47 | scrotum | And it looks like does not come with the default conf |
| 16:39.50 | mtn | Guest40321, yes, go ahead. I get similar messages and it works fine |
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| 16:40.19 | mtn | Guest40321, of course, you will have to try and see how it works for your hardware |
| 16:41.18 | scrotum | Anyone have the awesome wm rc files for debian? |
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| 16:41.44 | subz3r0 | wm rc? |
| 16:41.47 | jelly | Guest40321: can you show the exact message? |
| 16:42.19 | subz3r0 | mtn: sure its a good advice to tell ppl what they shoulda do? |
| 16:42.27 | Guest40321 | mtn: I'm just wondering if that method will work for my wireless card |
| 16:42.38 | scrotum | subz3r0, Yes, debian package only provide for awesomewm v3.4 |
| 16:42.51 | subz3r0 | awesomewm? |
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| 16:42.56 | subz3r0 | no idea what you talking about |
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| 16:43.27 | Guest40321 | jelly: it was telling me that those files were missing |
| 16:43.29 | subz3r0 | cig time... brb |
| 16:43.47 | subz3r0 | its called "dependencies" not just files ;) |
| 16:44.10 | scrotum | Never heard about awesomewm? |
| 16:44.37 | Guest40321 | scrotum: awesome enough ;) |
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| 16:46.48 | Keijo` | Hello~ |
| 16:46.56 | scrotum | Haha well okay then |
| 16:46.59 | Keijo` | I just got Thinkpad X220 Tablet. |
| 16:47.17 | Keijo` | Is there any possibility of making rotation button work? |
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| 16:47.59 | scrotum | Keijo`, What is that rotation button for? |
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| 16:48.24 | Keijo` | Rotating screen. Tablet version has digitizer on top of IPS Panel |
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| 16:48.31 | Filystyn | guys guys |
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| 16:48.52 | Keijo` | don't wanna type xrandr commands everytime i want to use digitizer so imma here to ask for it. |
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| 16:49.29 | jelly | Keijo`: does xev see it when you press that button? |
| 16:50.01 | Keijo` | Don't have it yet installed. Need to backup drive with recovery partition and all OEM shit first |
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| 16:50.11 | Keijo` | Thought someone here might have solved that already |
| 16:50.13 | Terminus- | hello. i'm about to file a bug report regarding using pip install --user breaking gnome logins. do i mark it critical or important? |
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| 16:51.03 | Terminus- | it does satisfy the first example for critical which is "makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break" |
| 16:51.06 | jelly | Terminus-: did you run pip as root? |
| 16:51.23 | Terminus- | jelly: no. i'm just using it to install in $HOME |
| 16:51.45 | jelly | Terminus-: and it breaks gnome login for that user, but not others? |
| 16:52.00 | Terminus- | jelly: yep. just for the user that uses pip to install to $HOME |
| 16:52.24 | jelly | then it's weird but probably not RC level weird |
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| 16:52.37 | Terminus- | jelly: gotcha. just important then. thanks. |
| 16:52.47 | Filystyn | someone told me debian set's screen refershing on 75 and it should be 60 in his opinion that causes his monitor to vibrate. |
| 16:53.18 | Terminus- | jelly: do you think it's an upstream bug? should i mark it as such? |
| 16:53.25 | Filystyn | any ideas what is wrong? |
| 16:53.31 | jelly | Filystyn: they probably ought to use xrandr to set the desired refresh rate |
| 16:53.42 | Terminus- | meh, i'll just set it to none since i'm not sure if upstream is at fault. |
| 16:53.46 | Filystyn | so qpt-get xrandr |
| 16:53.49 | jelly | Terminus-: it's hard to say |
| 16:53.53 | Filystyn | apt-get** |
| 16:53.54 | hexnewbie | Filystyn: Vibrate or flicker? :) |
| 16:54.05 | Filystyn | i did not see it by my self he only told me that |
| 16:54.18 | Terminus- | jelly: yep. i just went with the safe option. |
| 16:54.19 | Filystyn | and that it's 75 not 60 dunno how he checked it. |
| 16:54.21 | JyZyXEL | "Pin: release o=Debian" <- does that mean: origin debian.org? |
| 16:54.33 | Keijo` | BTW how much can transition to new cpp abi last? wanting to use sid, but it is broken by that |
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| 16:55.32 | jelly | Keijo`: who knows? ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net Breakage is normal for sid anyway. |
| 16:55.58 | hexnewbie | Filystyn: Your friend's DE might have a tool for switching the refresh rate. KDE does, perhaps Gnome does too. |
| 16:55.58 | jelly | something is _always_ broken -- if it wasn't broken, it'd float down to testing |
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| 16:56.12 | hexnewbie | Filystyn: That's usually easier than xrandr |
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| 16:56.13 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:56.19 | Keijo` | On my desktop there is testing with openbox already |
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| 16:56.48 | Filystyn | i think xrandr is still good choice hue. |
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| 16:57.48 | hexnewbie | Filystyn: Yeah. However, the DE might make it persistent (or not). :) |
| 16:57.49 | DexterF | I ddrescued a debian8 installation, it boots but the 500k lost in the rescue at least had some effects, for example xfce is broken. I'm thinking of doing a --reinstall of all installed packages. overkill? any more elegant way? |
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| 16:57.57 | Filystyn | DE? |
| 16:58.05 | Filystyn | deskopt enviroment? |
| 16:58.11 | hexnewbie | Filystyn: Yes |
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| 16:59.15 | Filystyn | well i still give him this advice. |
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| 16:59.25 | Filystyn | since it's strigt. |
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| 17:00.33 | monsune | how hard would it be to configure my box as iscsi target? |
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| 17:01.32 | monsune | ok no one here as usual |
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| 17:02.34 | Filystyn | lol that rq |
| 17:02.37 | SynrG | or you ask too general questions? |
| 17:02.39 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 17:02.54 | Filystyn | he gave you a minute guys;-) |
| 17:02.59 | hexnewbie | Well, last time I tried to answer his question, but he was already out... |
| 17:03.08 | SynrG | during which i looked up dpkg's factoid on the topic |
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| 17:03.13 | SynrG | and spent the full minute reading it |
| 17:03.24 | SynrG | so, that was a minute of my life i'll never get back :p |
| 17:04.00 | SynrG | the wiki doc seems incomplete wrt. two possible ways to go about it |
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| 17:04.22 | SynrG | the first has a page. the second just has links to external resources. i couldn't say why, though |
| 17:04.39 | c0fe_machine | cause its FOSS community that's why :P |
| 17:04.56 | SynrG | no, i mean, i couldn't tell if that reflects one is less-supported / less-desired or not |
| 17:05.13 | SynrG | i concluded "further reading necessary to be able to intelligently answer monsume's question" |
| 17:05.22 | SynrG | monsune* |
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| 17:06.23 | SynrG | anyway, this is all meta since monsune's gone. but iscsi looks like interesting technology i might want to play with ... in my copious spare time |
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| 17:07.07 | c0fe_machine | or SAN |
| 17:07.50 | hexnewbie | Sadly, the target software that Debian includes lacks features such as resizing of the target on the fly, which is a PITA.. So I'd skip both the docs, and the software, and download something else :) |
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| 17:08.13 | SynrG | hah |
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| 17:08.38 | SynrG | feel like improving the factoid and/or wiki doc to point people at a better solution? |
| 17:08.54 | SynrG | (or at least state the limitations) |
| 17:09.19 | hexnewbie | I am not sure, is suggesting software outside of Debian on the Wiki a good idea? Especially when your only experience with potential issues is "Works for me"? |
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| 17:09.43 | SynrG | hexnewbie: well, you could point at an ITP or RFP ... |
| 17:10.00 | SynrG | or is it wholly unsuitable for inclusion, not even in non-free? |
| 17:10.44 | hexnewbie | I use SCST, which is GPL. |
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| 17:11.03 | SynrG | stands to reason if it's free, and better, there would be at least an RFP? |
| 17:11.17 | knivsta | hi |
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| 17:11.30 | SynrG | hexnewbie: if not, how about filing one? |
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| 17:12.02 | hexnewbie | OK, that sounds like a good idea. |
| 17:12.16 | SynrG | reoportbug wnpp |
| 17:12.19 | SynrG | grr |
| 17:12.22 | SynrG | reportbug wnpp |
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| 17:12.49 | SynrG | make sure you have all the info at hand: license, web site, etc. to fill out the RFP template |
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| 17:13.20 | SynrG | and include rationale (advantages over existing packages in debian) |
| 17:14.54 | c0fe_machine | does anyone have a recommendation for a software that can give alerts? that works in debian and in windows? |
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| 17:18.14 | jelly | hexnewbie: if you've tried other targets, including the in-kernel stuff, and you still have good reasons to prefer SCST, then yes it's a good idea |
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| 17:19.02 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to manually install packages that have a priority of -1? |
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| 17:19.52 | jelly | SynrG: SCST is yet another one of those alternative out-of-kernel implementations that never got mainlined because of social issues more than technological competence (like BFS, tux-on-ice, grsecurity...) |
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| 17:21.58 | DexterF | how can I tell apt to upgrade deprecated versions? example: gdm has been replaced with gdm3, however, upgrade keeps gdm |
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| 17:22.58 | drcode | hi all |
| 17:23.21 | drcode | I want to buy Tegra TK1 , Is it possible to install Debian 8? |
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| 17:24.14 | SynrG | jelly: sure. but it's not like out-of-kernel stuff hasn't been supported in Debian before, so an RFP is appropriate, yes? |
| 17:25.55 | SynrG | JyZyXEL: so far as I know, yes. or if you explicitly ask for a package to be installed that has a Depends: on the -1 package, too |
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| 17:26.04 | drcode | If I can install u-boot, how can I install Debian? |
| 17:26.37 | JyZyXEL | SynrG: i thought that last case would not cause it to install |
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| 17:27.48 | JyZyXEL | it is extremely risky and hard to have any other sources than jessie in sources.list |
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| 17:28.12 | SynrG | JyZyXEL: i mean where the -1 pinned package is the *sole* package that would satisfy a "Depends:" relationship |
| 17:28.25 | SynrG | (note, not Recommends: or anything else) |
| 17:28.31 | JyZyXEL | oh |
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| 17:28.47 | JyZyXEL | ok perhaps -1 is safe enough |
| 17:28.50 | SynrG | yes |
| 17:29.04 | SynrG | if there are alternatives, they will always be used instead. |
| 17:29.12 | scrotum | Yawn... |
| 17:29.14 | SynrG | drcode: which architecture? |
| 17:29.28 | petn-randall | drcode: Looks like no one before has attempted this. If you find out how, make sure to document it for others to come. |
| 17:29.31 | SynrG | drcode: i think the debian installation guide for your architecture should cover this. |
| 17:29.38 | SynrG | really? |
| 17:29.43 | drcode | I didn't find any info |
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| 17:30.04 | drcode | I want to use debian 8 has primry boot on Jeston TK1 |
| 17:30.04 | SynrG | for example, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/ch05s01.html.en ... is this not helpful? (for that architecture) |
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| 17:30.23 | SynrG | i don't know what "jeston tk1" is. which architecture, in Debian terms? |
| 17:30.49 | drcode | I found in debian dtb |
| 17:30.50 | jelly | SynrG: I think this one requires patching the kernel's (scsi and block) innards IIRC, probably requiring at least a separate kernel flavor, not a mere trivial 3rd party driver module |
| 17:30.55 | drcode | support for this device |
| 17:31.20 | drcode | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788689 |
| 17:31.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788689 in src:u-boot (closed, patch): «u-boot: Please add support for Tegra (Jetson TK1)»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-06-14; last modified: 2015-08-02. |
| 17:31.37 | SynrG | hexnewbie: is this true, what jelly said? do you use a stock Debian kernel or custom? |
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| 17:31.40 | drcode | there is patch there |
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| 17:31.47 | drcode | is it working? |
| 17:32.17 | drcode | do I need to patch debian kernel? |
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| 17:32.52 | SynrG | drcode: jelly and I were discussing the previous person's problem. |
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| 17:33.06 | drcode | Robert |
| 17:33.08 | jelly | drcode: uboot is a separate piece of software from the kernel |
| 17:33.13 | drcode | ok |
| 17:33.29 | c0fe_machine | does debian 8 have kernel 4.0? |
| 17:33.30 | drcode | jelly: Is it working? |
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| 17:33.33 | c0fe_machine | or Ksplice tech? |
| 17:33.43 | drcode | and how can I install it? |
| 17:33.48 | drcode | I am new |
| 17:34.04 | mtn | c0fe_machine, newer kernels are in backports |
| 17:34.04 | jelly | drcode: I have no idea -- send hardware and I'll try it! :-D |
| 17:34.08 | SynrG | i think it's still in development. so no, there is no stable release with it |
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| 17:34.23 | drcode | I can open ssh |
| 17:34.27 | SynrG | if you want to get involved with the development effort, you need to talk to them |
| 17:34.35 | SynrG | otherwise, wait for the next release. |
| 17:34.47 | drcode | I am thinking to buy it |
| 17:34.59 | c0fe_machine | ah ok |
| 17:35.04 | jelly | drcode: how much experience do you have running linux or arm? |
| 17:35.20 | drcode | I have install odroid |
| 17:35.27 | drcode | debian on odroid |
| 17:35.40 | drcode | it work awsome , till my device broke |
| 17:35.52 | jelly | on* arm. right, so at least you have an idea it might not be easy at all |
| 17:36.00 | SynrG | wasn't there just recently a debian-installer stretch alpha2 release this week? if so, the closure date of this bug suggests it might be included. |
| 17:36.04 | drcode | I know |
| 17:36.11 | drcode | but I am willing to tyr |
| 17:36.13 | drcode | try |
| 17:36.27 | SynrG | so you could see if there's a d-i alpha2 for your architecture |
| 17:36.30 | SynrG | either it works or it doesn't |
| 17:36.53 | drcode | I will buy it , test it , and write info about installing debian on tegra |
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| 17:37.16 | jelly | drcode: people in #debian-arm over on irc.oftc.net mahy provide more clues than we can |
| 17:37.17 | SynrG | drcode: as long as you're happy taking that risk |
| 17:37.27 | fellayaboy | are there any tools are guidelines for migrating from red hat to debian? |
| 17:37.27 | drcode | great |
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| 17:37.42 | drcode | I like to take risk |
| 17:37.50 | drcode | and help other |
| 17:38.05 | SynrG | drcode: as jelly suggests, go see #debian-arm @ irc.oftc.net |
| 17:38.14 | drcode | thank you |
| 17:38.23 | SynrG | good luck |
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| 17:40.52 | Terminus- | grrr... sending a debian bug report took more time than it should have. |
| 17:41.16 | jhutchins | Terminus-: Thank you for the effort. |
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| 17:41.43 | fellayaboy | migrating from redhat to debian...anyone know the best route? |
| 17:41.48 | fellayaboy | any guidelines? |
| 17:41.58 | SynrG | fellayaboy: can't say. last time i did that was RH 5.2 -> Debian (whatever was current at the time, potato? i forget) |
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| 17:42.17 | Terminus- | jhutchins: i had a bunch of MTA issues that meant i had to retry several times. i had to rewrite the report as well because reportbug didn't save it the first time. =| |
| 17:42.20 | fellayaboy | you remember if you used any tools or was it simple commandlines |
| 17:42.31 | mtn | fellayaboy, install and use ;) the debian wiki could be very helpful |
| 17:42.44 | SynrG | it was a standard install, then i migrated over one service at a time ... |
| 17:42.45 | fellayaboy | i know debian very well |
| 17:42.47 | SynrG | used a chroot to test things |
| 17:42.50 | Terminus- | for the record, gmail rejects attempts to send mail from reportbug. i thought everything would be alright with TLS enabled. |
| 17:43.02 | SynrG | when we were ready to go live, i switched it over, abandoning the old site |
| 17:43.23 | SynrG | it was entirely ad hoc |
| 17:43.29 | fellayaboy | SynrG, what types of service did you migrate |
| 17:43.52 | SynrG | web, dns, email |
| 17:44.11 | hexnewbie | SynrGy: Yes, and I am trying to remember if there were complications with the kernel. But for what is worth, iscsitarget is also âiscsitarget-dkmsâ. |
| 17:44.19 | fellayaboy | right right, excellent SynrG |
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| 17:44.42 | fellayaboy | i bet you simply copied a bunch of configuration files over SynrG right |
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| 17:45.00 | SynrG | no. i reviewed each config, one at a time, and edited debian's configs to match |
| 17:45.17 | SynrG | i considered just copying configs to be risky when doing it between differing versions provided by differing distros |
| 17:45.19 | fellayaboy | right right makes sense |
| 17:45.29 | fellayaboy | exactly SynrG |
| 17:45.49 | fellayaboy | of course you can copy over a program over |
| 17:45.54 | fellayaboy | you cant*+ |
| 17:46.45 | SynrG | might want to do a clean room approach. derive your requirements from your current config, install debian, and then implement those requirements the debian way |
| 17:46.55 | SynrG | instead of a too-narrowly-focused config-centric approach |
| 17:47.03 | DexterF | can I reboot debian to a specific grub2 entry? |
| 17:47.07 | SynrG | some distro-specific configs will be entirely irrelevant |
| 17:47.34 | SynrG | DexterF: one time, or permanently? |
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| 17:47.54 | DexterF | SynrG: one time |
| 17:47.59 | SynrG | DexterF: for one time, see the grub-reboot man page. |
| 17:48.09 | DexterF | ah, thanks |
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| 17:49.27 | hexnewbie | DexterF: grub-reboot requires that GRUB_DEFAULT is "saved" in /etc/default/grub, and that /boot/grub is not on RAID, LVM, ZFS, and perhaps Btrfs is also out of question. |
| 17:49.59 | DexterF | all given, but good info |
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| 17:51.46 | montreal | hi guys, I am new to debian, so my questions can be totally stupid. I have problems with my graphics card |
| 17:51.48 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/090cfbf49775072de85c |
| 17:52.43 | DexterF | montreal: debian version and card model? |
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| 17:54.10 | hexnewbie | montreal: The dmesg command may help you find errors regarding missing firmware, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log can give you other errors, and information about which driver is used. Those may be essential for resolving this. |
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| 17:55.18 | montreal | debian jesse VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 415M] [10de:0dee] (rev a1) |
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| 17:56.28 | montreal | dmesg printed wall of text |
| 17:56.35 | DexterF | montreal: lsmod | grep nouveau say anything? |
| 17:57.00 | montreal | DexterF, nope |
| 17:57.13 | DexterF | hmmm. lsmod | grep nvidia? |
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| 17:58.23 | DexterF | how do I force an fs check at boot time? I'd like to have /dev/sda1 checked (root) with force |
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| 17:59.10 | montreal | DexterF, silent too |
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| 18:00.32 | DexterF | weird. I would have expected either the open driver (nouveau) or the closed binary (nvidia) to be installed and loaded. 415M, so that's a mobile chip. could be that nouveau could not deal with that chip (mobile can be odd) and debian fell back to vesa |
| 18:00.53 | cyborg_revenge | montreal: hello! See this https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI |
| 18:01.01 | DexterF | montreal: dmesg | nouveau <- anything here? |
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| 18:01.40 | hexnewbie | montreal: Run `dmesg -w' in one terminal, and run `modprobe nouveau' in another, and tell us what new messages appear there :) |
| 18:01.49 | cyborg_revenge | montreal: The PCI ID can be used to verify device support. |
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| 18:02.08 | hexnewbie | Actually, can nouveau load when vesa driver is used in X? |
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| 18:02.33 | hexnewbie | Or did I just sent montreal to do something unwise :) |
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| 18:04.25 | montreal | Well, I forgot to say that I've used nvidia-detect and then installed recommended nvidia-driver |
| 18:04.47 | varaindemian | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 18:04.47 | varaindemian | octavian@lenovo:~$ |
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| 18:05.23 | xand | varaindemian: you're not root. |
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| 18:05.44 | DexterF | montreal: then it did not load the nvidia driver. /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be interesting, if you can paste it somewhere |
| 18:05.46 | varaindemian | after trying apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:06.02 | cyborg_revenge | montreal: i think, problem is in proprietary nvidia driver... |
| 18:06.34 | xand | varaindemian: you're not root. |
| 18:07.07 | varaindemian | xand: I used sudo... |
| 18:07.17 | DexterF | varaindemian: try su |
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| 18:07.36 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: Did you use sudo for *both* those commands? |
| 18:07.39 | DexterF | debian does sudo now like ubuntu now..? |
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| 18:08.04 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: Or is your sudo unconfigured, and the first one failed? :) |
| 18:08.07 | xand | varaindemian: you need sudo for both, not just at the start |
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| 18:08.34 | montreal | DexterF, cyborg_revenge there is Xorg.0.log |
| 18:08.34 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/2cb6e770f3597075bc74 |
| 18:08.54 | hexnewbie | varaindemian: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:09.05 | varaindemian | fixed. thx guys |
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| 18:09.19 | DexterF | [ 26.417] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 18:09.41 | DexterF | montreal: in Xorg.0.log the lines with (EE) are most intersting when troubleshooting. |
| 18:09.46 | hexnewbie | sudo is like intercal's please. You need to say it often enough. ;P |
| 18:10.34 | hexnewbie | montreal: dmesg | grep -i nvidia -C 5 |
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| 18:11.25 | DexterF | montreal: compatible driver, the 400 mobile series is not too new, so it might be a little old and require an older version of nvidia. although I think current should support the 415m. what does dpkg -l | grep nvidia say which version is installedß |
| 18:11.32 | Equa | montreal: you have an optimus card. follow this instruction instead https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 18:11.49 | montreal | hexnewbie, its silent |
| 18:12.10 | DexterF | montreal: or listen to Equa :) |
| 18:12.20 | hexnewbie | Oh, yeah. It's not using the nvidia adapter at all. |
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| 18:13.52 | montreal | https://gist.github.com/montreal91/5713ce18860b7ad10e70 |
| 18:14.05 | montreal | Equa, should I remove nvidia-driver? |
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| 18:14.08 | Algebr | Why does debian sometimes show updates via a gui prompt when I already did all updates via apt-get. |
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| 18:14.28 | Equa | montreal: you can keep the drivers, just on your xorg.conf... remove it |
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| 18:14.50 | abrotman | Algebr: it may have a different database that was already in process when you started, I've seen that also |
| 18:15.02 | abrotman | never looked any deeper, because well .. aptitude says there's nothing else |
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| 18:20.02 | DexterF | does # touch /forcefsck work in debian? |
| 18:22.00 | x86iac | i have /.autofsck |
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| 18:22.18 | montreal | also I am curious, why there is no firefox in debian, even in non-free branch |
| 18:22.36 | DexterF | montreal: called iceweasel. licence issue. all political. |
| 18:22.40 | valdyn | montreal: its rebranded to iceweasel |
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| 18:23.24 | valdyn | montreal: it would not even be distributable in non-free |
| 18:23.43 | montreal | DexterF, valdyn I know, but there are totally proprietary nvidia drivers and no mit-licensed firefox |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn | montreal: contrary to firefox, the nvidia drivers *are* distributable |
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| 18:24.28 | DexterF | valdyn: can one say in short how FF is not? |
| 18:24.38 | valdyn | montreal: its not a non-free vs free issue, FF is not distributable by debian |
| 18:24.38 | r6ku | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 18:25.25 | valdyn | DexterF: FF is not distributable because the branding is not freely distributable |
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| 18:26.25 | valdyn | DexterF: and that is because FF is a trademark and the trademark owners can say what they want, and they say "no" |
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| 18:27.42 | x86iac | they actually said 'no f*in way' |
| 18:27.59 | unreal1999 | hello can someone pls help me? i try to mount an iso in debian, i asked in ubuntu but but during the way helping me they say to me to ask here for help, they s asked why i was logged in as root so i treye the normal terminal but it says im not a sudoer |
| 18:28.01 | x86iac | and then get off my lawn |
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| 18:28.36 | valdyn | unreal1999: modprobe loop; mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/whatever |
| 18:28.54 | x86iac | unreal1999: you really having a problem day huh? which is more important the ... nevermind valdyn if s fast typist |
| 18:29.07 | valdyn | unreal1999: install sudo, add your user to the sudo group |
| 18:29.19 | brontosaurusrex | to whomever was asking about simple timers, dunno about windows, but on debian: at now +1 min <<< "beep -r 3" |
| 18:29.27 | DexterF | so then all it took to debian-ify ff was to remove the branding? apart from that it's identical plus some debian mods? |
| 18:29.35 | Commando | hello |
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| 18:29.46 | valdyn | DexterF: the "mods" is only branding |
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| 18:30.47 | brontosaurusrex | or: at 20:30 <<< "beep -r 3" |
| 18:30.47 | valdyn | DexterF: + maybe the contained updater, if that exists |
| 18:30.47 | hexnewbie | Official Firefox build asks me to send reports to Mozilla when it crashes. Iceweasel doesn't. |
| 18:30.47 | DexterF | valdyn: confused. what could debian not do according to mozilla? |
| 18:30.47 | Commando | i'm going to hacking heheheheh |
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| 18:30.47 | valdyn | DexterF: they could not distribute the firefox trademarked name and icons |
| 18:30.54 | montreal | Oh, not again, broken packages |
| 18:31.02 | hexnewbie | DexterF: Include a version of Firefox modified in any way shape or form, which I believe includes building it. If they include it unmodified, they can distribute it. |
| 18:31.03 | bibear | is it possible to disable the part of the lockscreen before the passwordinput? so that i dont have to press enter |
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| 18:31.46 | hexnewbie | DexterF: That means that Debian couldn't apply security updates to older versions and such. |
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| 18:31.51 | DexterF | hexnewbie: so you have to redistribute packages built by mozilla or bust? |
| 18:31.58 | valdyn | DexterF: the cause is debian shipping old versions with debian security backports and mozilla worrying that that might reflect badly on the firefox brand |
| 18:32.17 | unreal1999 | i dont understand, how is it possible that i can use the rootterminal but not be able to do sudo? |
| 18:32.45 | valdyn | DexterF: i think this could have been solved with some diplomacy, but debian (or the responsible people in debian) doesnt care, and i dont either |
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| 18:32.48 | hexnewbie | DexterF: Even if you could build it (I am unclear on the trademark policy), you can't apply security patches to it. Which Debian needs. |
| 18:33.30 | JyZyXEL | is it normal that the whole Xorg freezes for a solid 3 seconds when ever i open a video with mpv? |
| 18:33.31 | DexterF | never knew that. |
| 18:33.46 | r6ku | unreal1999: because you don't have sudo installed? |
| 18:33.51 | JyZyXEL | this happens by default on Intel hardware |
| 18:34.21 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Doesn't happen on my Intel card, and it is definitely not normal. Are you using -vo vaapi? |
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| 18:34.37 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: i haven't touched the settings |
| 18:34.49 | JyZyXEL | just launching mpv from kde dolphin |
| 18:35.08 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Do other media players do this? |
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| 18:35.22 | JyZyXEL | nope |
| 18:35.24 | unreal1999 | valdyn i dont understand itt seemss i get farther away from solving my problem, i just wanted to install unreal tournament 99 native |
| 18:35.27 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: I only use mpv because it can use vaapi on Intel hardware. |
| 18:35.45 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Run mpv in a terminal, and see what video output it's using |
| 18:36.05 | JyZyXEL | its pretty crazy that a single process can freeze the whole Xorg |
| 18:36.08 | unreal1999 | can i not use the root terminal to mount something? |
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| 18:36.17 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: The line that starts with VO |
| 18:36.23 | unreal1999 | pls someone help |
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| 18:36.44 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: VO: [opengl] 640x360 => 640x360 yuv420p |
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| 18:36.55 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: X is very prone to freeze. Starting a X process over a slow network connection tends to freeze the whole thing. |
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| 18:37.20 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Try it with -vo xv and maybe -vo vaapi |
| 18:37.33 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: mpv -vo xv videofile |
| 18:38.00 | Guest89996 | I can't find dirs in .../kernel/... path in the installation DVD .iso. Is it because files in the .iso are compressed in some way? |
| 18:38.18 | Guest89996 | files/dirs |
| 18:38.25 | Guest89996 | files and/or dirs |
| 18:38.27 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: does the same freeze with both of those |
| 18:38.37 | unreal1999 | can someone please help me |
| 18:38.43 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: That's very strange. Did they work though? |
| 18:38.47 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 18:38.56 | Guest89996 | unreal1999: what with? |
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| 18:39.38 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Could be the mpv process freezing at an unfortunate time, unrelated to video. What is AO? |
| 18:39.48 | JyZyXEL | pulse |
| 18:39.50 | unreal1999 | i want to mount ans iso, i use the root terminal, they ask me why us the root terminal if i mount i get the help tex thing, im new to linux adn not natively speaking enl°glish |
| 18:40.10 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: same freezing with -ao none |
| 18:40.12 | unreal1999 | can i just us the root terminal? |
| 18:40.20 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: I think it's -ao null |
| 18:40.23 | DexterF | unreal1999: what is your native language? |
| 18:40.33 | unreal1999 | dutch |
| 18:40.37 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: same result |
| 18:40.50 | DexterF | unreal1999: yes, as root do mount -o loop <iso> <mountpoint> |
| 18:40.53 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: That would be very bizaree, but does it freeze with -vo null |
| 18:41.11 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: no! |
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| 18:41.34 | JyZyXEL | so its about the video |
| 18:41.40 | DexterF | unreal1999: maybe you have to create a mount point: mkdir /mnt/loop for example. |
| 18:41.51 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Yeah. However, I can't help further. You may try -vo x11, perhaps... |
| 18:42.03 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: Of course that's not actually usable. :) |
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| 18:42.20 | unreal1999 | i get the help manual thing again |
| 18:42.25 | JyZyXEL | it freezes just the same with every video api |
| 18:42.25 | DexterF | unreal1999: then as the regular user you have to run the installer. in my example /mnt/loop/utsetup.sh or whatever it is called. |
| 18:42.27 | unreal1999 | i typed mount -o loop /home/mike/Downloads/Unreal Tournament - GOTY Edition/UT_GOTY_CD1.iso /mnt/iso/ |
| 18:43.02 | x86iac | you gonna need " " around the spaces |
| 18:43.09 | DexterF | unreal1999: you have blanks in the filename. try mount -o loop /home/mike/"Downloads/Unreal Tournament - GOTY Edition"/UT_GOTY_CD1.iso /mnt/iso/ |
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| 18:43.49 | unreal1999 | i think i already did that because there is a mnt/iso/ folder i dont know im new |
| 18:43.52 | DexterF | unreal1999: or use tab completion, like type mount -o loop /home/mike/Downloads/Un <- and then press tab |
| 18:45.13 | jhutchins | unreal1999: The mount point must exist before you can mount to it. |
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| 18:45.32 | Guest89996 | I'm looking for a .ko file in "debian-live-8.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso.contents". But there is no .../kernel/... directory there. Is it because Debian doesn't use that directory, or because files and/or dirs in the .iso are compressed? |
| 18:45.41 | unreal1999 | but how do i knnow i have created a mount point? |
| 18:45.51 | hexnewbie | JyZyXEL: That won't help either, but does mplayer cause a freeze? After all, mpv and mplayer are related. |
| 18:45.53 | unreal1999 | jhutchins |
| 18:46.17 | JyZyXEL | hexnewbie: nope |
| 18:46.30 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: how do i know if i created the mount point= |
| 18:46.44 | DexterF | unreal1999: ls -ld /mnt/iso |
| 18:47.08 | JyZyXEL | video performance on Xorg is just pure crap |
| 18:47.30 | JyZyXEL | its tear-city and bad performance |
| 18:47.49 | unreal1999 | DexterF: thanks the terminal gives this line drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 aug 17 11:18 /mnt/iso |
| 18:48.06 | Guest89996 | unreal1999: a "mount point" is just a directory. Just make a directory in a directory where you want to mount the .iso. Like: "mkdir /home/MyDirectory". "Mount" means "associate". Then just mount (associate) your .iso to that directory. |
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| 18:48.53 | DexterF | unreal1999: good, the mount point exists. your terminal, does it say "$" or "#" before the cursor? |
| 18:49.38 | unreal1999 | DextarF: it says # before the cursor |
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| 18:50.58 | Guest89996 | unreal1999: good. That means you're operating as "root". |
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| 18:51.50 | DexterF | unreal1999: good, so it is a root terminal. then mount -o loop /ho<press tab>mi<press tab again>Un<another tab>UT<tab or maybe finish line manually> /mnt/iso should do |
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| 18:52.34 | DexterF | (i spent three afternoons in 1999 before my alpha geek told me about tab completion) |
| 18:53.22 | madrik | I spent some time in plain sh on FreeBSD before I came to know about chsh. |
| 18:53.42 | x86iac | unreal1999: a mount point is just an empty dir |
| 18:53.55 | DexterF | freebsd on top. you didn't walk the easy path. |
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| 18:54.24 | unreal1999 | okay i understand that it just i directory now |
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| 18:54.45 | unreal1999 | but i am very slow |
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| 18:55.24 | madrik | I eventually came to my senses and decided my life is quite short to be compiling ports. |
| 18:55.55 | unreal1999 | mount: can't find /ho in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 18:56.03 | deepy | I ran netbsd, I set up a cluster for compiling |
| 18:56.06 | deepy | vroom |
| 18:56.14 | DexterF | NERD! |
| 18:56.21 | unreal1999 | i gets more confusing |
| 18:56.37 | unreal1999 | i just wanted to mount an ISO file |
| 18:56.56 | DexterF | unreal1999: describe what you did, what you expected, what happened instead |
| 18:57.40 | nkuttler | unreal1999: search man mount for loop |
| 18:57.50 | jhutchins | unreal1999: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html |
| 18:57.56 | madrik | I had a Core 2 Duo and 1 GB RAM in a desktop along with an EEEPC dual core Intel Atom with 1 GB RAM. I found the collective power not enough for the ports (nor, later, for Gentoo). |
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| 18:58.02 | unreal1999 | DexterF: thanks for helping me but i am very slow in undesrtanding i really appreciated you helping me i got con |
| 18:58.11 | unreal1999 | good, so it is a root terminal. then mount -o loop /ho<press tab>mi<press tab again>Un<another tab>UT<tab or maybe finish line manually> /mnt/iso should do |
| 18:58.39 | unreal1999 | if i press tab after typing Un it doesnt react |
| 18:58.40 | jhutchins | unreal1999: Right, but do make sure the tab completion works. |
| 18:59.02 | jhutchins | unreal1999: Unless it fills in the rest of the word it's not working. |
| 18:59.13 | DexterF | unreal1999: when you press tab again, it should show you all options |
| 18:59.52 | madrik | I have since reformed and run Debian. So many things clicked near immediately. |
| 19:00.16 | unreal1999 | i really dont know what i am doing right now but it says Display all 2262 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 19:00.19 | DexterF | unreal1999: for example: when there is Unrealwhatever and UnicornCrapIIamMakingThisUp tab completion gets stuck at "Un" becuas there are 2 files it could mean, so it stops. you might have to type a few more characters then and retry tab |
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| 19:01.05 | DexterF | unreal1999: 2262 sounds wrong. did autocomplete go to /home/mike/Un yet? |
| 19:01.06 | jhutchins | I suspect one of the earlier tabs didn't complete and he's trying to complete an open command (blank line). |
| 19:01.19 | DexterF | jhutchins: yes, my thought, too |
| 19:01.52 | unreal1999 | my brain is cooking right now |
| 19:02.11 | montreal | so, if I don't want to brake Debian clockwork system and want use real FF, I should build it from source. |
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| 19:02.38 | unreal1999 | root@irritantemike:/home/mike# |
| 19:02.45 | madrik | montreal: You could just get the binary from mozilla |
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| 19:03.06 | jhutchins | montreal: You should build a .deb package from source - but why? Newer version? |
| 19:03.08 | jhutchins | !mdn |
| 19:03.09 | dpkg | For stable releases, newer versions of Iceweasel, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "release" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. |
| 19:03.37 | jhutchins | montreal: I recommend against the mozilla binary. It's installs tend to be inconsistent and messy. |
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| 19:03.46 | DexterF | unreal1999: ok, step by step: mount -o loop /ho (dont forget the / at the beginning!) |
| 19:03.53 | montreal | madrik, haven't thought about that |
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| 19:04.14 | jhutchins | ,v iceweasel |
| 19:04.15 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.0esr-1~stretch; sid: |
| 19:04.16 | judd | 38.2.0esr-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0-1 |
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| 19:04.51 | DexterF | unreal1999: if you tab from there, it should complete to /home/. then you continue mi<tab>, that should complete to /home/mike/ |
| 19:05.15 | madrik | I ran the real deal for a while a while ago. Perfectly usable. |
| 19:05.27 | DexterF | unreal1999: then type until it says /home/mike/Un and press tab. should complete to the unreal dir. |
| 19:05.53 | DexterF | we need #console101 :) |
| 19:06.02 | unreal1999 | DexterF: i geuss you are asking me to change to the directory where the ISO file is located? |
| 19:06.20 | DexterF | unreal1999: no. mount needs to know: mount *what* to *where* |
| 19:06.53 | DexterF | unreal1999: we are saying "mount <full path to the iso file> to <that mount point> " |
| 19:07.14 | jhutchins | montreal: iceweasel is 40.0-1, mozilla is 40.0.2 - not worth the effort. |
| 19:07.15 | unreal1999 | DexterF: then i dont know what you ment when you said dont forget the / at the beginning |
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| 19:07.58 | unreal1999 | if i type mount -o loop /ho i get mount: can't find /ho in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 19:08.02 | DexterF | unreal1999: / is the root of the entire file structure in linux. / is where everythignn else is filed under. we tell mount the full path. |
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| 19:08.25 | DexterF | unreal1999: gah, now I know what you do: |
| 19:08.45 | DexterF | unreal1999: do _NOT_ press return until the entire line is written. |
| 19:08.59 | jhutchins | !de |
| 19:08.59 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 19:09.14 | DexterF | unreal1999: mount -o loop /ho...mi...Un<RETURN> |
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| 19:09.48 | unreal1999 | mount: can't find /ho...mi...Un in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 19:10.27 | DexterF | unreal1999: you need to tab-complete where I said ... I did not want to write it all out agein |
| 19:10.44 | x86iac | DexterF: use up-arrow |
| 19:10.46 | DexterF | whistles "Patience" |
| 19:11.38 | unreal1999 | DexterF: thanks for helping me and sorry that i am wasting your time it all gets more confusing |
| 19:12.00 | unreal1999 | i dont understand anythin og it and the tab think |
| 19:12.13 | unreal1999 | maybe because i am not native english speaking |
| 19:12.39 | unreal1999 | i have done everyhtin exactly as written on guides from the internet |
| 19:12.40 | DexterF | unreal1999: no problem, I've been there. are we clear what the tab key is? the one at the left side of the keyboard second row? |
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| 19:13.16 | unreal1999 | yes the tab key i know it something worked but then with the Un thing |
| 19:13.21 | unreal1999 | but i know the tab key |
| 19:13.40 | unreal1999 | only donw understand what i is doing i this situation |
| 19:13.54 | DexterF | good, just checking. hmm, this is not #debian specific really, I'll open a dialog if you dont mind |
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| 19:29.16 | RobertDupont | quick question: does Debian 6 LTS include security updates? |
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| 19:45.10 | zatura | hi, how can I see current state of i915 RC6? |
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| 19:48.04 | zatura | just found out by myself... for those who are wondering: "cat /sys/module/i915/parameters/enable_rc6" as root |
| 19:48.34 | Guest35540 | i tried to add a new user and it asked for room number. "Any help? Room Number []:" |
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| 19:48.52 | Guest35540 | Any help? "Room Number []:" |
| 19:49.01 | jhutchins | Guest35540: If it's not relevant to your configuration just press enter. |
| 19:49.19 | jhutchins | Guest35540: It's an artifact from when Unix systems were shared over an entire campus. |
| 19:49.43 | jhutchins | Guest35540: There was a program called "finger" which would return contact information for other users. |
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| 19:50.20 | Guest35540 | jhutchins: I see |
| 19:50.36 | jhutchins | Guest35540: I still use the Full Name in that field, and sometimes the phone number, or an email address. |
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| 19:50.57 | Guest35540 | and to give su to the new user, adduser newuser sudo? |
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| 19:51.25 | jhutchins | Guest35540: I think that's right, the one I use is usermod -a -G sudo newuser |
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| 19:52.01 | Guest35540 | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 19:52.17 | Equa | useradd |
| 19:53.04 | Guest35540 | Equa: bash: useradd: command not found |
| 19:53.17 | Equa | are you doing it as root? |
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| 19:53.48 | Equa | non root being able to add user to sudo is a scary thought |
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| 19:54.20 | Guest35540 | Equa: hehe, that's right |
| 19:54.22 | Guest35540 | danke |
| 19:54.26 | Equa | np :D |
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| 19:55.38 | mutante | Guest61066: "room number" - think of a university context that this came from |
| 19:55.44 | jenipapo | Hi all |
| 19:56.12 | jenipapo | How to execute installer after the installation end ? |
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| 19:58.03 | jhutchins | jenipapo: What installer? There are really no standards for third-party packages. |
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| 19:58.36 | jhutchins | jenipapo: If the installation ended, why do you want to execute the installer again? |
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| 20:05.49 | RobertDupont | does LTS includes security updates? |
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| 20:08.58 | mullein_ | RobertDupont: yes,it does. though sometimes they take a few days longer than oldstable through testing |
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| 20:11.58 | RobertDupont | thanks |
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| 20:14.17 | karlpinc` | mullein_: It's not clear to me that LTS includes security updates for all packages. Is this the case? |
| 20:14.47 | x86iac | that would be a lot of work indeed |
| 20:15.51 | unreal1999 | does anyone know how to close a window that does not react? like ctrl alt delete in windows? i click the close button but it stays there |
| 20:16.16 | JyZyXEL | i use xkill for that |
| 20:16.22 | minitrue | alt+f2 xkill |
| 20:16.41 | unreal1999 | it will minimize and maximiz but not close |
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| 20:18.30 | unreal1999 | thanks that worked |
| 20:18.34 | mullein_ | karlpinc`: i don't think it's for all packages any more than oldstable gets security updates for all pacakges |
| 20:18.59 | mullein_ | but my perspective is that lts security updates pretty closely track oldstable |
| 20:19.00 | unreal1999 | minitrue: thank you |
| 20:19.52 | minitrue | unreal1999: :) |
| 20:20.01 | mullein_ | afaict, the only reason -lts exists is for security updates for main packages |
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| 20:21.25 | unreal1999 | im trying to instal unreal tournament 1999 but it seems i am to stupid and or my pc is working against me, maybe its because my mother drunk alot of alcohol when i was in the womb no joke |
| 20:21.46 | unreal1999 | i was born with alcohol in my blood |
| 20:22.10 | unreal1999 | i have problems concentrating |
| 20:22.32 | karlpinc` | mullein_: So, where are "main packages" defined? And is it the case that oldstable gets only "main packages" patched the moment a new stable is released? |
| 20:22.34 | montreal | After following this article https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee (installed free driver) still getting this output on glxinfo https://gist.github.com/montreal91/090cfbf49775072de85c |
| 20:23.51 | montreal | also $ optirun glxgears -info fails |
| 20:24.08 | montreal | with this error |
| 20:24.09 | montreal | [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied |
| 20:24.25 | mullein_ | karlpinc`: i don't know how to define the list of packages that do or don't get updated. i'm not a member of the lts team. https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using is probably helpful |
| 20:24.35 | jhutchins | montreal: It's a highly imperfect system. Each manufacturer implements it in their own way, and usually supplies the Windows drivers. |
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| 20:24.44 | mullein_ | it mentions a package you can install to see what packages *will not* be candidates for updates in lts |
| 20:24.48 | Shadow_7 | mullein_: is the user in the video group? |
| 20:24.52 | karlpinc` | mullein_: I'm a whole lot less interested in LTS than I am in oldstable. |
| 20:25.09 | jhutchins | montreal: How about just settling on one card for now and learning more about the system? |
| 20:25.57 | karlpinc` | Shadow_7: I think you mean montreal, not mullein_. |
| 20:26.23 | montreal | jhutchins, how to do this setting and learn more? |
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| 20:27.01 | Brewster | Hey I'm having a weird issue on the latest debian with cinnamon but I'm having trouble finding anything about it on google. After a while new windows will show up "clear" along with new popups like the right click menu. They seem to respond as if everything was there but you kinda have to guess where everything is. Does anyone know about a fix to this? |
| 20:27.07 | jhutchins | montreal: I'm guessing you haev a working display of some kind? |
| 20:27.20 | montreal | jhutchins, yes |
| 20:27.28 | jhutchins | montreal: Go with that for now. |
| 20:27.52 | jhutchins | montreal: I'm not sure where the mailing lists for bumblebee are, but they would be a good source of background on it. |
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| 20:29.28 | montreal | Well, I really need to make this thing work to program some graphics-related stuff |
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| 20:33.34 | DexterF | montreal: re-install an option? Linux Mint is said to be userfriendly, there's 2 flavours, ubuntu and debian based |
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| 20:35.24 | jhutchins | DexterF: Isn't that like the universal Windows fix? |
| 20:35.53 | jhutchins | DexterF: He just needs deeper knowledge of bumblebee and how it's supposed to work. Probably won't be any different on another distro. |
| 20:35.55 | Shadow_7 | Brewster: you could try to minimize and restore the application. |
| 20:36.14 | Brewster | doesn't work |
| 20:36.25 | Shadow_7 | karlpinc`: probably do |
| 20:36.27 | Brewster | anything new shows up with just the window outline |
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| 20:36.52 | montreal | DexterF, maybe it is an option, but I prefer to stick with Debian and dig into that system |
| 20:37.03 | jhutchins | Brewster: Try one of the other desktops, see if it persists? |
| 20:37.03 | Shadow_7 | Brewster: all apps or just a select few? |
| 20:37.19 | Brewster | seems like all of them |
| 20:37.35 | Shadow_7 | Even an xterm? |
| 20:38.19 | Brewster | Lemme try to reproduce it and I'll get back. My temporary solution has been to ssh. |
| 20:38.23 | Shadow_7 | Brewster: how did you start it? gdm? startx? |
| 20:38.37 | DexterF | jhutchins: debian isn't the easiest when it comes to things like "special binary drivers and firmwares for special hardware". appreciate debians efforts but in the user friendly department others score higher. just sayin'. |
| 20:38.39 | Brewster | it's started when I log in |
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| 20:41.02 | jhutchins | Brewster: Anything unusual about the login screen? |
| 20:41.21 | jhutchins | Brewster: Have you tried the old trick of creating a new user and seeing of that user has the same problem? |
| 20:41.21 | Brewster | yeah I just found out that I'm in a login loop |
| 20:41.32 | Brewster | which is weird because that didn't happen before |
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| 20:46.56 | jhutchins | Brewster: Not sure what you mean by login loop, but if you run GUI programs as root you run the risk of locking some essential files in your home directory and breaking login. |
| 20:47.14 | Brewster | I login and it leads me back to the login screen |
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| 20:48.40 | beco | Hello Debian community. |
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| 20:50.31 | Brewster | ok I just uninstalled lightdm and installed gdm3 |
| 20:50.48 | Brewster | I'll play around for a while see if it still happens |
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| 20:56.20 | gebjgd | Brewster, that is nothing to do with your display manager |
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| 20:56.43 | Brewster | â('ï½`ï¼)â |
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| 20:57.25 | gebjgd | Brewster, just read .xsession-errors |
| 20:57.35 | Brewster | idk I've been using linux since high school and I've learned a lot but I think there will always be a time when I try something completely random and hope for the best |
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| 21:02.06 | unreal1999 | does anybody knows how i can mount a iso? i keep getting the error must specify filesystemtype i am trying to mount an ISO image of 770mb becasue me cds are only 700 mb so i can install unreal tournament goty on linux nativly |
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| 21:02.32 | Shadur | mount /path/to/file.iso -o loop |
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| 21:04.28 | Shadow_7 | mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/isomount |
| 21:04.48 | unreal1999 | Shadur: if i do that i get the help manual thing text |
| 21:04.55 | unreal1999 | im new to linux |
| 21:05.32 | unreal1999 | mount /home/mike/Downloads/UT_GOTY_CD1.iso - o loop |
| 21:05.42 | PMT | unreal1999: -o, no space |
| 21:06.06 | jhutchins | unreal1999: Did you verify the md5sum of the iso? |
| 21:06.09 | jhutchins | unreal1999: http://wiki.unrealadmin.org/Server_Install_linux |
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| 21:06.37 | jhutchins | unreal1999: I believe I sent you a reference on mounting isos earlier. |
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| 21:07.25 | jhutchins | 13:57 < jhutchins> unreal1999: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html |
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| 21:08.31 | SolarNRG | what command do I type into terminal to NEVER turn off the screen when inactive no matter what? |
| 21:08.49 | unreal1999 | jhutchin: thanks for the link i may have mist that earlier thanks i am goin to read it |
| 21:09.15 | Brewster | SolarNRG: go to power options and just set everything to never |
| 21:09.21 | Shadow_7 | SolarNRG: In X $ xset -dpms s noblank s noexpose |
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| 21:09.41 | OerHeks | SolarNRG, just go into systemsettings > brightness & lock |
| 21:10.30 | Shadow_7 | SolarNRG: in console without X, some option to setterm. --powersave off |
| 21:10.41 | SolarNRG | Brewester, OerHeks tried all that didn't work since I bodged these makeshift ati drivers together, Shadow_7 thanks |
| 21:11.29 | Brewster | SolarNRG: if that doesn't work there's a program called caffeine that you should look into |
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| 21:13.18 | SolarNRG | brewster what repo is caffeiene in? |
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| 21:13.38 | Shadow_7 | SolarNRG: kaffeine +/- spelling |
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| 21:13.55 | Brewster | I am 100% sure it's spelled caffeine |
| 21:14.18 | marsjaninzmarsa | http://paste.mac.info.pl/?2b6c19bc02c1ddb7#OZi3COBe34pdKWGcV1EQvEBmdrVSimfTJ7BElajpE24= |
| 21:14.22 | Brewster | it has it's own ppa if debian does those |
| 21:14.25 | Shadow_7 | kaffeine or it's not in the packages for jessie |
| 21:14.34 | unreal1999 | i get this notice you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:14.40 | marsjaninzmarsa | any ideas, why not rotating and what is wrong with /var/log/syslog.1.gz ? |
| 21:14.42 | Brewster | they might have changed it |
| 21:14.53 | jhutchins | https://www.kde.org/applications/multimedia/kaffeine/ |
| 21:14.53 | Shadow_7 | unreal1999: .iso is -t iso9660 |
| 21:14.56 | marsjaninzmarsa | ("file exists", but it's wrong?) |
| 21:15.02 | Brewster | I haven't used it in a while |
| 21:15.14 | Shadow_7 | unreal1999: could be an incomplete download / bad iso |
| 21:15.14 | jhutchins | ,v kaffeine |
| 21:15.15 | judd | Package: kaffeine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0-2; wheezy: 1.2.2-2; sid: 1.2.2-3+b1; jessie: 1.2.2-3+b1; stretch: 1.2.2-3+b1 |
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| 21:15.49 | unreal1999 | Shadow_7 thanks for answer |
| 21:15.55 | SolarNRG | instaling kaffeine now thanks u guys for ur help |
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| 21:16.15 | Shadow_7 | marsjaninzmarsa: apt-get install logrotate |
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| 21:16.39 | jhutchins | unreal1999: That's why I suggested checking the md5sum earlier - that should always be the first step after downloading an iso. |
| 21:17.13 | Brewster | ok so my clear window issue seems to have been resolved |
| 21:17.14 | marsjaninzmarsa | Shadow_7: I think that this is not the solution |
| 21:17.20 | jhutchins | unreal1999: It takes a little extra time, but it saves a LOT of time if it's bad. |
| 21:17.21 | Brewster | I would have seen something by now |
| 21:17.22 | marsjaninzmarsa | cause I have logrotate installed. |
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| 21:17.50 | jhutchins | marsjaninzmarsa: Is the cron job for logrotate running? |
| 21:17.58 | Shadow_7 | marsjaninzmarsa: logrotate gets called daily from a cron job. 6:25am? if cron doesn't run, it doesn't rotate. |
| 21:18.09 | jhutchins | marsjaninzmarsa: what happens if you do logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf? |
| 21:18.14 | marsjaninzmarsa | jhutchins: yep, I got email every day. |
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| 21:18.59 | jhutchins | marsjaninzmarsa: You should NOT get mail from logrotate every day, look to see if it has errors. |
| 21:19.27 | marsjaninzmarsa | jhutchins: yeah, I know, that's why I'm asking you here, why the errors from link. :D |
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| 21:19.56 | marsjaninzmarsa | http://paste.mac.info.pl/?11b37596a1e430e0#FjKPiChE8TY5IOkSpFRAE5cc/ECPFQQlKjKkVZ/qMa0= |
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| 21:26.01 | unreal1999 | i got this after trying different input root@irritantemike:/home/mike/Downloads# mount -t iso9660 -o loop UT_GOTY_CD1.iso /mnt/disk mount: block device /home/mike/Downloads/UT_GOTY_CD1.iso is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or |
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| 21:26.24 | unreal1999 | is it now mounted? |
| 21:27.01 | jhutchins | ls |
| 21:27.09 | jhutchins | unreal1999: Probably not. |
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| 21:28.45 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: the iso probably is not corupt because i have it fro a very reliable source the pirate bay |
| 21:29.39 | roflbot | I got steam on two different computers, one with sid, and one with stretch. one with intel integrated gpu, and one with radeon. Suddenly both stopped working with steam. Graphics work well on other things though, both 3d and 2d. Anyone aware of some changes that happened recently that could have caused this? |
| 21:29.42 | jhutchins | unreal1999: How do you even know it's the Linux image? It could have copy protection on it. |
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| 21:31.32 | unreal1999 | jhutchins its an iso image unreal tournament has only 1 cd thst is instalable to windows and linux |
| 21:31.49 | c0fe | so i am trying to setup prerouting and this is the command I am entering: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p TCP -d [MY EXTERNAL IP] --dport 80 $dnat [INTERNAL IP I WANT TO RECEIVE ALL PORT 80 REQUESTS] but says bad argument, what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:31.52 | c0fe | debian 8 machine btw |
| 21:32.18 | jhutchins | unreal1999: http://wiki.unrealadmin.org/Server_Install_linux <- this doesn't mention an iso at all. |
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| 21:32.55 | unreal1999 | i am not trying to install a server |
| 21:33.03 | valdyn | c0fe: -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8001 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.200:8080 |
| 21:33.21 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: i want to install and play the game from linux |
| 21:33.39 | c0fe | valdyn: why 8001? |
| 21:33.54 | c0fe | or is that just an example? |
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| 21:33.57 | valdyn | c0fe: because i didnt rewrite the example i just googled |
| 21:34.11 | c0fe | oh ok |
| 21:34.22 | jhutchins | unreal1999: This seems to indicate that you can download it from the source: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/unreal-tournament-has-public-builds-available-for-all-platforms-now.4489 |
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| 21:35.36 | unreal1999 | that is unreal tournament 4 i need the original oldest unreal tournament also known as UT goty or ut99 |
| 21:35.40 | valdyn | c0fe: basically you just -j DNAT and -t nat is either redundant or wrong, i dont know |
| 21:35.47 | unreal1999 | hence my name unreal 1999 |
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| 21:36.40 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: that is a next gen game i have an old machine |
| 21:36.40 | c0fe | valdyn: let's see if that solved it |
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| 21:37.20 | jhutchins | unreal1999: I think you're going to have to search for game-related mailing lists where somebody else has done this. |
| 21:37.30 | c0fe | this testing reminds me why comcrap is called comcrap |
| 21:37.44 | jhutchins | unreal1999: PirateBay is definitely NOT a reliable source for software. |
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| 21:38.05 | c0fe | not anymore |
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| 21:38.27 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: the piratebay is very reliable. no that was a joke :p |
| 21:38.44 | jhutchins | unreal1999: The error messages you got suggest it's not a valid iso file. It may be some other format, there are several that are commonly used by pirates for iso files. |
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| 21:39.04 | CyberTails | Hello Folks, I'm about to netinstall Jessie, but before I do, I wanted to know how much bandwidth does it take for an XFCE install of Jessie? |
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| 21:39.38 | jhutchins | CyberTails: The servers usually top out around 250K. |
| 21:39.55 | strata | good ole US 3rd world internet bandwidth caps. |
| 21:40.09 | CyberTails | Sorry, I meant how much in MBs does it use for the install |
| 21:40.26 | cwong_on_irc | hey. whats the extra field in the ls -l output mean? "-rw-rw-râ." the stupid . or @ |
| 21:40.31 | strata | CyberTails: probably a few 100MB |
| 21:40.38 | CyberTails | kk, thanks for that |
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| 21:41.01 | CyberTails | I should have plenty then, I'll be using some of my hotspot data to help install Debian |
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| 21:41.35 | subz3r0 | !install mate |
| 21:41.36 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 21:41.53 | subz3r0 | !install MATE |
| 21:41.53 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 21:42.09 | subz3r0 | !install xfce |
| 21:42.09 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 21:42.18 | c0fe | valdyn: nope not routing still :/ |
| 21:42.32 | subz3r0 | !install gnome |
| 21:42.32 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 21:42.49 | Equa | subz3r0: you can msg the bot /msg dpkg |
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| 21:43.38 | unreal1999 | i really love the popups i get when downloading torrent files. i thought popups where a thing of the past, i wonder how this is possible? |
| 21:43.55 | Travie | Adblock |
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| 21:44.06 | Travie | Or use a better BitTorrent client |
| 21:44.38 | c0fe | valdyn: -bash: --to-destination: command not found |
| 21:44.38 | c0fe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.02 | unreal1999 | i just wonder how they do it |
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| 21:45.27 | c0fe | unreal1999: it is based on a click trigger |
| 21:45.42 | Travie | When are the ads coming up? On the website where you're downloading or through (I assume you use this) u torrent? |
| 21:45.47 | c0fe | basically when you click to download the file, there is an invisible div tag that you really click on |
| 21:46.20 | Travie | Yeah most websites do that now it's super annoying |
| 21:46.22 | c0fe | anyone else can help me out with the iptables issue please? |
| 21:46.35 | Travie | C0fe what's your issue? |
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| 21:46.43 | SolarNRG | thanks shadow_7 that command worked sweet |
| 21:46.58 | unreal1999 | but it opens like tree seperate windows i would expacte the could only open a link in the current window |
| 21:46.59 | c0fe | Travie: i may just solved it one sec |
| 21:47.07 | unreal1999 | but my knowledge is not so good |
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| 21:47.37 | unreal1999 | for me it feels like they have control over your pc |
| 21:47.46 | unreal1999 | opening 3 windows |
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| 21:48.29 | c0fe | unreal1999: they do not have control over your computer unless you download something |
| 21:48.31 | c0fe | and/or run it |
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| 21:49.29 | Travie | Well they are controlling it somewhat by forcing applications to run |
| 21:49.46 | Travie | Even though you're the one opening it it's still |
| 21:49.47 | unreal1999 | c0fe: in a sence i mean, because they do open 3 windows |
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| 21:52.40 | c0fe | well this experiment isn't working out as i want to |
| 21:52.47 | c0fe | or at least i can't find the tutorial that would be helpful |
| 21:52.49 | c0fe | damn :( |
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| 21:53.59 | jhutchins | unreal1999: A program can fork and the new process can open a window. It's not uncommon, you can actualy do it from the command line. |
| 21:54.18 | zinx | hate gui apps that do that |
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| 22:12.43 | unreal1999 | jhutchins: do you know the game unreal tournament? |
| 22:13.03 | bikeshedder | What's with all those new "v5" packages in Debian SID? Since then a lot of packages are broken as the v5 ones break the "old" ones and a lot of packages still depend on the non-v5 ones so when updating I would end up without packages like gnome, blender or gimp. Anyone knows what the v5 packages are all about? |
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| 22:13.23 | unreal1999 | jhutchins:i° its an awsome game |
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| 22:25.35 | unreal1999 | anyone know whta i should do if brasero cd burner wont start? i get this sandclock and after 8 seconds it dissapears and nothing happens. no program opening |
| 22:25.50 | unreal1999 | just like windows |
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| 22:29.46 | A|an | Is it a bad (possibly very bad) idea to install proprietary graphics drivers on Debian? |
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| 22:30.37 | A|an | I've bought and installed an Intel Atom-like board, but the graphics isn't supported by Debian. |
| 22:30.50 | A|an | (the joke's on me, i know) |
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| 22:31.36 | A|an | I've found the driver, but it's proprietary...I'm wondering if something untoward would happen if I installed it. |
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| 22:31.49 | g00se | Is it just me or is tab moving in Iceweasel 38.2.0 broken? |
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| 22:32.12 | unreal1999 | what do you mean tab moving? |
| 22:32.57 | g00se | You're meant to be able to drag tabs to move them from one place to another |
| 22:33.09 | mtn | A|an, it probably would not hurt anything, but it pays to watch what it wants to do or where you put things. if you have to have the driver, it is your only choice |
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| 22:34.11 | A|an | mtn: Well...you should see my display...I really do need it, or get rid of this board (it was only $39 new! not counting memory)... |
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| 22:34.41 | satdav | are you using here or oftc |
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| 22:35.13 | A|an | What's a good approach for installing something proprietary? Just untar it and let it go? |
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| 22:36.35 | A|an | Oh, yes, a detail: it's a CedarTrail processor |
| 22:36.49 | A|an | THAT'S the problem, it turns out. |
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| 22:37.45 | g00se | A|an: 'let it go'? If it's source, it needs to be compiled |
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| 22:38.06 | A|an | I doubt that it's source...that's what spooks me |
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| 22:38.29 | A|an | i don't know, though...i guess i need to dl it and unpack it and look |
| 22:38.50 | cxd13 | g00se: try the latest iceweasel 40 from mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:39.24 | at0m|c | A|an: what gfx card? lspci | grep VGA |
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| 22:40.04 | A|an | no card...it's an all-in-one board, like the Atom boards...processor and board are mated...graphics onboard |
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| 22:40.16 | A|an | just a sec |
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| 22:40.39 | SolarNRG | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? |
| 22:41.00 | SolarNRG | you mean u can't take the cpu out and put in a better one? Where's the room for upgrades then? |
| 22:41.24 | at0m|c | SolarNRG: try a pi |
| 22:41.27 | g00se | cxd13: I'm using wheezy |
| 22:41.33 | A|an | This is the board: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-d2550mud2.html |
| 22:41.42 | at0m|c | A|an: lspci | grep VGA |
| 22:41.43 | quantic | SolarNRG: Depending on the form factor, it's cheaper to replace the entire system than upgrade components. |
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| 22:41.56 | A|an | ok |
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| 22:42.16 | A|an | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D2xxx/N2xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) |
| 22:43.00 | quantic | A|an: dude, that's a sweet little board. |
| 22:43.15 | A|an | Well, that's what I thought! |
| 22:43.29 | A|an | However, there's a fly in the ointment, with the graphics |
| 22:43.39 | A|an | just a sec |
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| 22:44.12 | unreal1999 | anybody knows what i should with this error wrong fs type after mounting |
| 22:44.40 | unreal1999 | is it possible the iso is not a real iso file? |
| 22:44.49 | A|an | yes, it has PowerVR SGX graphics, which is not Intel |
| 22:44.57 | quantic | unreal1999: start with specifics: what did you try to mount, where, and how? |
| 22:44.58 | cafuego | could be an UDF image |
| 22:45.11 | A|an | Used to be, an Atom board could be depended upon to *work* |
| 22:45.15 | A|an | period! |
| 22:45.17 | at0m|c | A|an: ew https://gist.github.com/Aissen/2925633 |
| 22:45.24 | A|an | ok |
| 22:45.25 | OerHeks | unreal1999, because your source is piratebay, it can be anything |
| 22:45.34 | [Saint] | Hi channel. |
| 22:45.35 | [Saint] | What is required to broadcast the proper state to a remote terminal at halt/reboot/etc.? I have a very minimal install and if I do a reboot or halt from an ssh session the terminal on my end just hangs because it doesn't know what happened. |
| 22:45.52 | unreal1999 | i try to open a iso file but how do i know what filetyp it really is? |
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| 22:46.17 | A|an | yeah, yeah, already come across that...belatedly, naturally |
| 22:46.20 | at0m|c | A|an: sorry that's 2012, don't know if still valid |
| 22:46.21 | quantic | [Saint]: I've noticed the same behavior in Debian 8. Not sure. |
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| 22:46.47 | A|an | This is an older board |
| 22:46.54 | [Saint] | quantic: Thanks for your response. It's a puzzlement on my end for sure. |
| 22:46.55 | A|an | even though it's new |
| 22:47.12 | g00se | unreal1999: file -s the.iso |
| 22:47.29 | A|an | Cedar Trail is bad juju, with regard to linux |
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| 22:48.02 | A|an | I'm going to try to get this thing to work...there IS a graphics driver |
| 22:48.16 | A|an | I guess I'll dl it and take a closer look |
| 22:48.19 | g00se | Or just file the.iso |
| 22:48.30 | unreal1999 | g00se it says data |
| 22:48.55 | A|an | I'd say it's binary and ready to go...I just don't want it to screw up anything very majorly |
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| 22:50.01 | g00se | unreal1999: NOT a good sign |
| 22:51.28 | A|an | at0m|c: "An unsupported graphic card on Linux distributions, and which can't properly support a basic desktop environnment like Unity or Gnome 3" Now that spooks up off of the concept. |
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| 22:51.40 | A|an | i guess the jokes on me |
| 22:51.46 | g00se | A|an: Keep the archive then at least you'll be able to delete the files after untarring it |
| 22:51.55 | A|an | why in the hell did they do that?! |
| 22:53.00 | A|an | yeah, i usually do |
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| 22:53.44 | A|an | remind me how you use the archive to track down every last thing, if you want to delete every last trace. |
| 22:53.47 | g00se | discovers that tab moving by drag is now working again in Iceweasel - go figure |
| 22:54.05 | g00se | List it - remember it |
| 22:54.08 | telmac | under jessie when I close the lid on my laptop it shuts down |
| 22:54.19 | telmac | or at least it's rebooting when I open it |
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| 22:55.15 | A|an | i'm thinking of using makefile to uninstall, anyway...okay |
| 22:55.45 | A|an | (this is what i get for not paying close attention) |
| 22:55.49 | telmac | I tried changing the lidswitch thing in wherever it is to hibernate instead of suspend, perhaps it was a memory/bios problem but that did not help and even after setting it to ignore it's still doing this |
| 22:56.09 | telmac | this is on a lenovo x131e chromebook running seabios |
| 22:56.14 | mtn | telmac, well, hibernate does what you describe. it shuts down |
| 22:56.40 | telmac | perhaps it's a bios problem but if it's set to ignore it should just continue running, no??? |
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| 22:57.02 | telmac | I mean it was doing this when it was set to suspend as well |
| 22:57.31 | at0m|c | can you set it to 'do nothing'? |
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| 22:59.40 | telmac | is "ignore" the wrong thing then |
| 23:00.02 | telmac | someone told me that was the thing for doing that |
| 23:00.35 | at0m|c | sorry, i misread |
| 23:02.01 | telmac | http://pastebin.com/0hBJmASD this is my current /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 23:02.35 | telmac | it would be okay if it just kept running when the lid was closed, though this obviously isn't preferable |
| 23:03.09 | mtn | telmac, are you using a de, like gnome? |
| 23:03.17 | telmac | I'm running i3 alone |
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| 23:04.20 | unreal1999 | does anone have any idea what this error might mean (locale=nl_NL.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,2 CPUs) |
| 23:04.27 | telmac | mtn: I mean this is controlled by systemd, not a de, I thought? |
| 23:04.39 | c0fe | looks like i figured it out |
| 23:06.26 | c0fe | apache fights with ajenti |
| 23:06.30 | c0fe | eh |
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| 23:06.41 | mtn | telmac, des can and do control it |
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| 23:08.01 | c0fe | if installing apache by apt-get install apache2 what version of apache am i installing? this is debian 8 |
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| 23:08.30 | at0m|c | ,v apache2 |
| 23:08.32 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze15; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.22-13+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; sid: 2.4.16-2; stretch: 2.4.16-2 |
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| 23:08.47 | [Saint] | quantic: this appears to be a systemd thing in a loose sense, I'm poking around a bit and it looks like the network gets shut down before the ssh service is. >.> |
| 23:08.59 | telmac | well I'd like to avoid running a de and regardless it should not be functioning this way |
| 23:09.23 | [Saint] | I guess I could make my own hacky watchdog service. |
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| 23:19.15 | [Saint] | quantic: kinda hacky but: http://pastebin.com/ejdEKAra |
| 23:20.38 | [Saint] | s/kinda/quite/ |
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| 23:22.37 | g00se | [Saint]: Quite odd that it's not like that already ... |
| 23:23.50 | [Saint] | I'm not entirely sure my system is representative of the intended use case |
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| 23:24.12 | [Saint] | It's extremely minimal so in all likelihood it's my fault. |
| 23:24.32 | telmac | so no suggestions? |
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| 23:26.33 | lokke | hello world - i have some trouble while stting up my hostname on an debian based device |
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| 23:28.15 | lokke | hello world - i have some trouble while stting up my hostname on an debian based device - i set up my hostname on /etc/hostname - in sysctl and with hostname "my new hostname" |
| 23:28.27 | lokke | but i cant ping on that new set name |
| 23:29.23 | lokke | i noticed that all other devices in this network have hostnames called "devicename.local.clubnamehere.tld" |
| 23:30.28 | minitrue | lokke: try with myNewHostName |
| 23:31.24 | unreal1999 | OMGod i am installing unreal tournament on linus natively right now |
| 23:31.39 | minitrue | unreal1999: \o/ |
| 23:31.44 | unreal1999 | omg you dont know how awsome this is foor a linux newb |
| 23:31.50 | at0m|c | lokke: hostname sets hostname locally, check out /etc/hosts or dns |
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| 23:32.06 | unreal1999 | minitrue: indeed |
| 23:32.17 | unreal1999 | this is really awsome |
| 23:32.19 | GeertJohan | unreal1999: is that a new release? |
| 23:32.34 | unreal1999 | no its the oldest unreal tournament |
| 23:32.38 | GeertJohan | ahh |
| 23:32.40 | GeertJohan | hehe lol |
| 23:32.43 | GeertJohan | nice |
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| 23:33.16 | unreal1999 | im just doing this for learning purpose, i love the game and i have not enough money for the newest machin system and game |
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| 23:35.10 | GeertJohan | It's a great game! |
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| 23:36.49 | unreal1999 | yes it is im now reading how to run it because read before that you have to do somethings i have a lot to learn |
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| 23:46.23 | cxd13 | is there a program which can list network connections being made by certain applications? |
| 23:46.40 | cxd13 | wireshark and tcpdump are messy and all over the place |
| 23:46.52 | SolarNRG | ifconfig |
| 23:47.20 | cafuego | netstat |
| 23:47.22 | cxd13 | ifconfig can't do that.. how? |
| 23:47.31 | koollman | cxd13: netstat -np |
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| 23:49.01 | cxd13 | koollman: thanks but netstat is kind of a snapshot in time, isn't it? |
| 23:49.09 | cxd13 | there's no dynamic option |
| 23:49.13 | x86iac | tsk tsk only lsof |
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| 23:49.49 | cafuego | cxd13: You could use iptables to add log rules for NEW ctstate packets |
| 23:50.05 | cafuego | Note that may get pretty spammy |
| 23:50.07 | koollman | cxd13: it's a bit harder, then. there are many ways. What are you really trying to do ? what's the problem you want to solve ? |
| 23:50.13 | mutante | cxd13: watch --interval 0 'netstat' :p |
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| 23:51.25 | cxd13 | koollman: i'm trying to see any connections being made from my computer to other network servers, when i use wireshark or tcpdump it's really spammy and confusing |
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| 23:52.05 | cxd13 | mutante: lol |
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| 23:53.18 | koollman | cxd13: iptables may be a decent way, then. something like: iptables -I OUTPUT -m state --state NEW -j LOG --log-prefix "new cnx:" |
| 23:53.33 | koollman | then watch /var/log/kern.log for matching messages. |
| 23:54.11 | cxd13 | mutante: that actually works, except the connections disappear after they are established so you have to catch them in the few seconds theyare being made |
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| 23:54.19 | koollman | but it's going to be rather spammy anyway, it's the way the network works |
| 23:54.47 | cxd13 | koollman: ya, thanks. maybe i'll just look into some tcpdump options to exclude certain packets |
| 23:54.50 | mutante | cxd13: tcpdump to a file then |
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| 23:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you want to know the network connections for? |
| 23:55.49 | cxd13 | ya i'll do that |
| 23:56.16 | koollman | cxd13: a filter for tcpdump or wireshark : tcp[13] == 2 and src host your.ip.here |
| 23:56.34 | koollman | (only outgoing packets opening a tcp connection) |
| 23:56.53 | koollman | a bit sad that there's no explicit way to just say 'syn packet' :) |
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