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| 00:26.33 | MeatPopsicle | is there a repo URL list for Debian? |
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| 00:27.57 | rselon | MeatPopsicle: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list tho I usually use httpredir.debian.org and let it decide the best mirror |
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| 00:29.19 | MeatPopsicle | rselon thats not for synaptic is it? |
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| 00:29.59 | rainfyre | MeatPopsicle: yes it is |
| 00:30.08 | rselon | MeatPopsicle: thats the apt mirrors, synaptic is a frontend to apt isnt it? |
| 00:30.22 | rainfyre | yes |
| 00:30.30 | rainfyre | synAPTic |
| 00:30.37 | MeatPopsicle | yes, just making sure rselon, thank you |
| 00:30.52 | rainfyre | so you have to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the mirror of your choosing |
| 00:31.04 | rainfyre | and then that's where synaptic grabs packages from |
| 00:31.05 | calher | Mm... MeatPopsicle ;-) |
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| 00:32.34 | MeatPopsicle | rselon can I add it under Synaptic with Jessie Main Contrib Non-free ? |
| 00:32.44 | MeatPopsicle | also calher lol |
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| 00:33.24 | rselon | MeatPopsicle: no idea I dont use synaptic, the usual place to put them is /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update |
| 00:33.41 | calher | licks MeatPopsicle |
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| 00:37.28 | MeatPopsicle | rselon how can I edit the sources list? |
| 00:37.35 | rselon | MeatPopsicle: vim? |
| 00:37.47 | calher | MeatPopsicle: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:37.50 | rselon | or, any text editor |
| 00:38.03 | calher | $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:38.19 | squinty | MeatPopsicle, you can use synaptics to add extra repo's or edit your server |
| 00:38.25 | rainfyre | MeatPopsicle: all of those need to be run as root of course |
| 00:38.56 | squinty | synaptics -> settings -> repositories |
| 00:39.12 | squinty | MeatPopsicle, ^^ |
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| 00:40.09 | rselon | I just broke a 300 line spaghetti code script and have no backup >:( |
| 00:40.35 | Brigo | rselon, clever :) |
| 00:42.34 | calher | rselon: Should have kept it on a git repo. |
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| 00:45.51 | rselon | calher: I really should, to lazy to commit stuff tho |
| 00:46.08 | rselon | I usually just copy the directory when I am about to make a bit change |
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| 00:54.32 | MeatPopsicle | so I added http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ in the sources for synaptic with jessie main contrib non-free and no errors |
| 00:55.50 | MeatPopsicle | idk if this will work |
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| 00:56.50 | FastCode | rselon: apt-get install git |
| 00:57.10 | FastCode | it takes some learning, but for a single user you just need like 5 commands |
| 00:57.27 | rselon | FastCode: I know git -_- just too lazy/forget to git commit |
| 00:57.50 | FastCode | just stash them? |
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| 00:58.06 | rselon | and most of my commit messages when I do use it are "AAAAAAAA", "stuff", "things were done" |
| 00:58.16 | FastCode | or, btrfs with snapshots of subvolumes? |
| 00:58.33 | FastCode | tthat's bad |
| 00:58.38 | rselon | meh after this fail ill start using git... at least for this project |
| 00:58.43 | FastCode | work on a project for some years and you'll know it |
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| 00:59.09 | FastCode | commiting with foo bar buz messages doesn't hurt the moment you do it |
| 00:59.16 | FastCode | they hurt after a few months |
| 00:59.17 | rselon | FastCode: I though noone wrote serious commit descriptions for hobby projects |
| 00:59.52 | jpalmer | rselon: I write real commit messages, for everything. even if the code itself is self documenting, or if i have comments in the code. |
| 00:59.53 | FastCode | well, I do write serious commit messages and they tend to help a lot later |
| 01:00.10 | FastCode | you can search commit messages |
| 01:00.14 | ryouma | or just use search |
| 01:00.19 | ryouma | in code |
| 01:00.44 | ryouma | but then i am the type that does not use branches |
| 01:00.48 | jpalmer | code doesn't always tell you what your past self was thinking. |
| 01:00.50 | FastCode | maintaining good code is not an easy task |
| 01:01.27 | jpalmer | ryouma: branching in git, is trivial. not like some vcs's of yesteryear. |
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| 01:01.48 | FastCode | it's the merging that kills you:P |
| 01:02.11 | ryouma | that's not the issue with software, most of hte time. in this case, the issue is that i find stuff better if it is commented in the codet han if it is in another piece of software, git. |
| 01:02.16 | jpalmer | merging isn't too horrible either, as long as there is some level of communication with the commiters. |
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| 01:02.35 | jpalmer | ryouma: ahh, I'd argue it should be in both. |
| 01:02.53 | FastCode | ryouma: You really need to get your hands more dirty |
| 01:03.10 | jpalmer | I'm a fan of DRY, but in this case, I have the comments in code, and then in commit messages, I add more info. future plans, what I was thinking, etc. |
| 01:03.15 | FastCode | it's not all just churning code |
| 01:03.47 | ryouma | for personal code i almost never need branches |
| 01:04.28 | FastCode | I usually keep a master and an idea-xyz branch for personal stuff |
| 01:04.29 | FastCode | YMMV |
| 01:04.59 | FastCode | is afk, gn |
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| 01:15.02 | bugaloo | hi all! I want to recover a folder from a external ntfs hd. one specific folder is returning the error "I/O error". al the other folders seem to be ok, except the one I need >\ any ideas what can I use to recover it? |
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| 01:15.57 | bugaloo | In time, is there a way to know in which sectors of the harddisk is the folder? I'm trying a recover software, but I dont want to recover the entire HD because it would take a lot of time |
| 01:17.07 | x86iac | how big is the partition the folder is on? |
| 01:17.24 | bugaloo | it's a external harddisk with 1tb |
| 01:17.32 | bugaloo | only 1 partition in ntfs format |
| 01:17.53 | x86iac | what is ending of the software? |
| 01:18.04 | x86iac | .cobol ? |
| 01:18.20 | bugaloo | sorry? |
| 01:19.12 | Brigo | bugaloo, try testdisk |
| 01:19.29 | Brigo | it will search for removed files and let you restore them. |
| 01:20.00 | bugaloo | installing. but the folder was not removed. the folder is there, but I cant access with a I/O error |
| 01:20.27 | Brigo | there is a fine documentantion in their web. |
| 01:20.35 | x86iac | it is photorec not testdisk and 1tb would take 32 years even if he went for specific file endins - like i asked him fore |
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| 01:21.09 | Brigo | x86iac, it is photorec not testdisk? what do you mean? |
| 01:21.28 | x86iac | testdisk is for partitions - photorec recovers files |
| 01:21.35 | Brigo | bugaloo, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 01:22.13 | x86iac | i/o error is usually hardware error |
| 01:22.18 | Brigo | x86iac, testdisk recover both, tesdisk is base in photorec. |
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| 01:22.29 | Brigo | photorec is in testdisk package. |
| 01:22.41 | x86iac | right but you said to use testdisk |
| 01:23.09 | Brigo | x86iac, and i keep saying :) |
| 01:23.22 | Brigo | bugaloo, check this tutorial: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Undelete_files_from_NTFS_with_TestDisk |
| 01:23.26 | x86iac | that is like saying use coreutils when you want to say use ls |
| 01:23.47 | Brigo | x86iac, is a package name and a executable. |
| 01:24.16 | bugaloo | Brigo, the file was not deleted. it seems to be a hardware problem or in the partition table |
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| 01:24.33 | dark__ | hi |
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| 01:25.03 | Brigo | bugaloo, then the problem is a hardware failure? |
| 01:25.08 | x86iac | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.49 | x86iac | bugaloo: see if dd can scoop something up |
| 01:26.16 | bugaloo | Brigo, might be. or partition table, I'm guessing |
| 01:26.38 | bugaloo | x86iac, using dd I would have to recover the entire hd, right? |
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| 01:26.48 | x86iac | you can do files |
| 01:26.57 | Brigo | bugaloo, if partiton table problem, use testdisk if disk problem use dd to copy as much as you can from the disk. |
| 01:27.00 | x86iac | dd - convert and copy a file |
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| 01:29.32 | Brigo | bugaloo, another tool you can use: rdd |
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| 01:30.05 | Brigo | and dc3dd - patched version of GNU dd with forensic features |
| 01:30.05 | Brigo | dcfldd - enhanced version of dd for forensics and security |
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| 01:31.45 | x86iac | bugaloo: you brave? see what ntfsfix says |
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| 01:32.01 | tpanmajia | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:32.02 | tpanmajia | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 01:32.30 | x86iac | yahoooooo tpanmajia has mastered /away |
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| 01:33.15 | Brigo | XD |
| 01:33.38 | Brigo | x86iac, or even what logs says, about that disk. |
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| 01:35.20 | bugaloo | x86iac, ntfsfix says nothing. sdb1 was processed successully |
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| 01:39.15 | x86iac | you using ntfs-3g to mount it? |
| 01:39.31 | bugaloo | already tried |
| 01:40.49 | bugaloo | is there a way to use ntfscp to copy a entire folder instead one file? |
| 01:40.55 | bugaloo | or a similar command |
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| 02:00.42 | karlpinc` | There's also ddrescue to try getting as much as possible off failing media. |
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| 02:01.52 | baxx | whats the debian install script thing called? |
| 02:02.09 | karlpinc` | (First copy to a stable media. Then recover.) |
| 02:02.15 | karlpinc` | baxx: tasksel? |
| 02:03.21 | baxx | karlpinc`: hmm don't think so, i wasn't very clear though; it's a script or something to install debian from scratch and it'll set the system up how one wants without checking any options etc |
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| 02:03.53 | baxx | maybe it is taskel, i remember it sounding different, i'll have a look into taskel though thanks |
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| 02:04.56 | at0m|c | baxx: debootstrap? |
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| 02:06.13 | baxx | at0m|c: karlpinc is it preseeding? |
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| 02:09.39 | karlpinc | baxx: Preseeding will do it. |
| 02:09.42 | karlpinc | (I think) |
| 02:09.58 | karlpinc | baxx: See the install guide. |
| 02:10.14 | baxx | karlpinc: yeah just having a read, seems like the one I was thinking of, cheers |
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| 02:16.44 | Evidlo | I upgraded to jessie a while ago and it looks like my apt sources are still on wheezy. Is it OK to change these all to jessie? |
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| 02:21.34 | x86iac | Evidlo: the reason you have had no immediate response is that you have stunned the audience |
| 02:22.01 | Evidlo | Oh no! Distro upgrade?! |
| 02:22.57 | Evidlo | Oh please x86 enthusiast, enlighten me with your superior knowledge. |
| 02:23.23 | x86iac | that ain't what the iac means |
| 02:23.34 | phix | haha |
| 02:24.01 | Equa | dpkg: tell Evidlo about wheezy->jessie |
| 02:25.10 | phix | Evidlo: The issue I had with upgrading wheey to jessie is systemd. There is a fix for that though, you can use the old rc boot stuff (or something more compatible ) |
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| 02:54.46 | shay_shay | hallo |
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| 02:56.32 | [1]Dark | hi |
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| 03:18.07 | phix | j #git |
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| 03:20.15 | knivsta | hi |
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| 03:22.14 | warsoul | just download debian 8 |
| 03:22.18 | warsoul | is there any update? |
| 03:22.53 | dvs | warsoul: If you have an Internet connection, you can update over the Internet. |
| 03:23.07 | warsoul | dvs how can i update in the terminal |
| 03:23.33 | dvs | warsoul: apt-get update; apt-get safe-upgrade |
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| 03:23.41 | warsoul | dvs both? |
| 03:23.45 | dvs | yes |
| 03:24.55 | warsoul | dvs safe-upgrade invalid operation |
| 03:25.19 | dvs | warsoul: sorry, apt-get upgrade |
| 03:25.37 | warsoul | thanks |
| 03:25.44 | warsoul | dvs with desktop should i use |
| 03:25.53 | warsoul | i choose the light one |
| 03:26.15 | dvs | you can upgrade without a desktop |
| 03:26.22 | jmcnaught | safe-upgrade is a aptitude command. on debian 8 there is also apt, which is pretty cool |
| 03:26.43 | warsoul | dvs i know |
| 03:26.50 | warsoul | but i want to use a desktop manager |
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| 03:27.18 | dvs | warsoul: Then pick one you like. I like xfce for a light one. |
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| 03:27.35 | warsoul | dvs i choose that one |
| 03:27.39 | warsoul | looks cool |
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| 03:28.17 | warsoul | dvs what irc client u use? |
| 03:28.26 | dvs | warsoul: xchat |
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| 03:28.35 | warsoul | im using irssi |
| 03:28.35 | dvs | but that's not supported anymore |
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| 03:30.33 | AndChat|524400 | Hey, I'm using an old Intel atom Multimedia desktop With Nvidia Video card . I'm just gonna fresh install of Jessie and had to boot with nomodeset, Which driver should I be looking for? |
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| 03:30.43 | warsoul | is there any script for irssi that you can see the nicks on your right in order? |
| 03:30.52 | AndChat|524400 | Cause I heard I shouldn't be using the one from Nvidia site? |
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| 03:31.33 | Equa | AndChat|524400: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 03:31.46 | t4nk698 | Hey can I ask is this the official irc network for debian or is it on oftc |
| 03:31.58 | dvs | t4nk698: oftc |
| 03:32.16 | t4nk698 | k thanks |
| 03:32.17 | jmcnaught | AndChat|524400: if the computer doesn't work with the default open source nouveau driver, there are packaged versions of the proprietary drivers. the install instructions are here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:33.07 | jmcnaught | dvs: what do you mean irssi is not supported anymore? it isn't listed by check-support-status for me |
| 03:33.23 | dvs | jmcnaught: xchat is not supported anymore |
| 03:33.32 | mi11k1 | Equa: http://pastebin.com/LD6S2bFB |
| 03:33.42 | jmcnaught | dvs: sorry i misunderstood |
| 03:33.55 | mi11k1 | Equa: im Andchat |
| 03:34.14 | dvs | jmcnaught: oh, now I see why you might. I shouldn't be so brief. |
| 03:34.27 | warsoul | dvs how can i get the resouliton bigger than 1024x728 |
| 03:34.43 | dvs | warsoul: not sure. |
| 03:35.04 | mi11k1 | I broke my system earlier with some driver for VMware or something |
| 03:35.11 | mi11k1 | in mu kodi |
| 03:35.18 | mi11k1 | some GLX bs |
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| 03:38.22 | Huck777 | hi, I just installed debian on my pc but it's stuck while booting. i switched in grub to rescue mode and the last line while booting is "fb: switching to nouveaufb from simple" |
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| 03:38.54 | mi11k1 | Huck777: |
| 03:39.09 | mi11k1 | Huck777: after you see quiet add nomodeset |
| 03:39.16 | mi11k1 | or quiet splash |
| 03:39.23 | mi11k1 | push e at grub |
| 03:39.52 | mi11k1 | im dealing with the same thing now |
| 03:41.14 | Huck777 | thank you, it worked |
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| 03:41.26 | mi11k1 | Huck777: now we need permenant |
| 03:41.33 | mi11k1 | you nvidia? |
| 03:41.40 | Huck777 | what is the real solution to fix this problem? install the noveau driver from backports? (gtx 980) |
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| 03:42.13 | mi11k1 | Huck777: do lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 03:43.05 | mi11k1 | Huck777: last time i had to blacklist noveau and i installed drivers from nvidia, but trying to figure out best solution now |
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| 03:45.10 | Huck777 | you are probably interested in this 10de:13c0 |
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| 03:45.47 | mi11k1 | Huck777: I just found the binary that worked for me last time in my dropbox for nvidia |
| 03:45.53 | mi11k1 | you want it? |
| 03:46.10 | mi11k1 | its for nvidia 40xx i think |
| 03:46.23 | Huck777 | i'll try the nvidia from backports first, but thank you :) |
| 03:46.43 | Huck777 | otherwise i'll pin them from testing/experimental |
| 03:46.58 | mi11k1 | yah, im not breakin my install now |
| 03:47.08 | mi11k1 | lol, had enough of messing with apt |
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| 03:54.26 | roboman2444 | is it possible to change the password that SSH accepts, but not the user password? |
| 03:55.10 | Equa | mi11k1: your video card shows up support for both 304.x and 340.x. i would suggest you try the newer one first. 340.x |
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| 04:08.31 | karlpinc | roboman2444: Sure. If by no other way than configuring pam. But there's also stuff like using skey that can be configured directly in sshd_config. |
| 04:08.45 | roboman2444 | oh, cool |
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| 04:22.41 | mi11k1 | Equa: thanks |
| 04:22.56 | mi11k1 | Huck777: any luck huck? |
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| 04:25.58 | Huck777 | yes, running the nvidia-driver from experimental. everything works now |
| 04:26.21 | Huck777 | thank you for the "nomodeset" :) |
| 04:27.16 | mi11k1 | can you show me your sources.list and prferences? |
| 04:27.22 | mi11k1 | pinning? |
| 04:29.13 | Huck777 | i added the experimental repository, apt update and then only installed apt-get install -t experimental nvidia-kernel-amd64 after this i created a nvidia.conf in xorg.xonf.d to load the nvidia module and rebooted |
| 04:29.29 | Huck777 | and after this i disabled the experimental repo |
| 04:29.39 | mi11k1 | ohh ok |
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| 04:33.35 | mi11k1 | Huck777: hmm, im getting this , nvidia-kernel-amd64 : Depends: nvidia-kernel-3.16.0-4-amd64 (>= 340.65) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 04:36.12 | Huck777 | i wouldn't touch your system, if the current configuration and package from your dropbox runs |
| 04:36.28 | mi11k1 | i havent installed it yet |
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| 04:36.52 | mi11k1 | it wont let me with X running, and started wondering |
| 04:37.15 | Huck777 | did you blacklist the nouveau? |
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| 04:37.30 | mi11k1 | i read a post relating to ubuntu, but it said dont use from nvidia site |
| 04:37.33 | mi11k1 | not yet |
| 04:38.29 | mi11k1 | getting other services running first |
| 04:38.57 | Huck777 | just to make sure... are you running jessie? |
| 04:39.02 | mi11k1 | yepp |
| 04:39.11 | mi11k1 | with mate |
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| 04:41.46 | Huck777 | can you paste(bin) the complete last command with the output error? |
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| 04:42.44 | mi11k1 | Huck777: http://pastebin.com/rAvxkw3L |
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| 04:43.43 | mi11k1 | Huck777: i think i might sleep on it |
| 04:44.06 | mi11k1 | Huck777: been long day, getting in that careless rushing mood |
| 04:44.08 | Huck777 | have you run this command "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms" from https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 04:44.14 | Huck777 | experimental disabled |
| 04:44.21 | mi11k1 | umm no |
| 04:44.28 | Huck777 | ok, good night :) |
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| 04:44.55 | mi11k1 | what is that? |
| 04:45.04 | cjen129 | i can't adjust my screen's backlight. xbacklight says "No outputs have backlight property". i use radeon open source drivers in firmware-linux-nonfreee |
| 04:45.04 | mi11k1 | okay ic |
| 04:45.35 | mi11k1 | cjen129: use the buttons in the screen, lol |
| 04:46.10 | cjen129 | mi11k1, that doesn't work.. come on i'm not stupid |
| 04:46.20 | mi11k1 | haha |
| 04:46.49 | Huck777 | mi11k1: something to read if you are interested https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787582#10 |
| 04:46.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787582 in nvidia-driver (open): «nvidia-driver: No support for new Geforce chips in Jessie»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-03; last modified: 2015-08-04. |
| 04:47.10 | Huck777 | cjen129: which notebook and desktop env are you running? |
| 04:47.31 | mi11k1 | judd: thanks, bugreports are too frequent for me lately |
| 04:47.40 | cjen129 | asus laptop with ati radeon card and kde |
| 04:47.50 | cjen129 | when i used closed source fglrx driver it works , but not with open source driver |
| 04:48.07 | mi11k1 | cjen129: the hardbuttons were reversed on a lappy i did recently |
| 04:48.07 | vrkalak | System: Host sid-flux-edge Kernel 4.1.5-040105-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Openbox 3.5.2 |
| 04:48.07 | vrkalak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.22 | mi11k1 | cjen129: up was dimmer and down was brighter |
| 04:48.31 | Huck777 | cjen129: which laptop exactly? |
| 04:48.53 | cjen129 | Huck777, why? |
| 04:49.07 | mi11k1 | becayse hes trying to help you |
| 04:49.10 | cjen129 | not sure waht model this is |
| 04:49.42 | Huck777 | cjen129: it's like when your car broke and you tell me you need a new engine... truck or jet engine? :) |
| 04:49.53 | vrkalak | normally, the model is on the bottom |
| 04:50.04 | cjen129 | laptop model has nothing to do with it. if anything you should be asking which particular graphics card |
| 04:50.16 | vrkalak | bottom of the laptop |
| 04:50.17 | cjen129 | what would the laptop model have to do with anything |
| 04:50.23 | mi11k1 | well than solve it |
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| 04:50.47 | cjen129 | mi11k1, just shut up |
| 04:50.51 | mi11k1 | because a google search might dig up a bug with that model |
| 04:50.53 | cjen129 | i'll solve it by just installing fglrx , the hell with it |
| 04:51.02 | mi11k1 | haha |
| 04:51.07 | mi11k1 | flight gear? |
| 04:51.10 | cjen129 | mi11k1, again, that has nothing to do with the model |
| 04:51.20 | mi11k1 | youre the boss |
| 04:51.26 | cjen129 | bug would be with the grapics card idiot |
| 04:51.33 | mi11k1 | or you |
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| 04:51.54 | Huck777 | mi11k1: don't tease him and cjen129 stop swearing please |
| 04:51.55 | mi11k1 | and the card is in the laptop? or no? |
| 04:52.17 | mi11k1 | i swear? |
| 04:52.18 | cjen129 | mi11k1, fuck off asshole |
| 04:52.20 | mi11k1 | oh |
| 04:52.31 | cjen129 | just installing fglrx |
| 04:52.34 | cjen129 | later |
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| 04:52.44 | mi11k1 | haha |
| 04:52.47 | shingouz | impressive... |
| 04:52.55 | Huck777 | yes. |
| 04:53.09 | mi11k1 | hes probably swearing at his mom by now |
| 04:53.55 | mi11k1 | im happy he came up with a resolution though |
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| 04:57.44 | mi11k1 | Huck777: this is what i got with that command, http://pastebin.com/3px7Y9EU |
| 04:57.54 | mi11k1 | experimental disabled |
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| 04:59.38 | Huck777 | which command did you run? |
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| 05:00.18 | mi11k1 | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:01.55 | Huck777 | that command should run fine if everything is stable/jessie... did you install something from different repositories? |
| 05:02.09 | mi11k1 | ohh, i have repos for kodi |
| 05:02.25 | mi11k1 | sorry, when it comes to this, im no good |
| 05:02.41 | mi11k1 | deb-multimedia repo i should say |
| 05:02.44 | Huck777 | which kodi repo are you running? |
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| 05:03.22 | mi11k1 | Huck777: http://pastebin.com/6TqWWzR6 |
| 05:03.23 | Huck777 | oh... did you notice that these 3rd repos install anything from kernel or nvidia? |
| 05:03.44 | mi11k1 | well, i just looked, all i see is an xserver nvidia package |
| 05:04.23 | mi11k1 | Huck777: its ok buddy, if i get some sleep, it will click in the morn |
| 05:04.34 | mi11k1 | Huck777: appreciate the help though, lots |
| 05:04.35 | Huck777 | ok, see you :) |
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| 05:04.46 | mi11k1 | niite debian |
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| 05:07.34 | viscera | So I installed atftpd which installed a bunch of dependencies. When I used apt-get to remove atftpd and then apt-get autoremove, I noticed that the autoremove didn't remove everything. Why? |
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| 05:08.36 | viscera | It missed about 30 deps |
| 05:10.29 | mi11k1 | viscera: try using --purge as well |
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| 05:10.48 | mi11k1 | viscera: sometimes it will get them on the next upgrade |
| 05:10.52 | mi11k1 | i think |
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| 05:11.40 | viscera | mi11k1: http://www.pastebin.ca/3116749 |
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| 05:12.43 | viscera | mi11k1: that's a freshly installed debian 8.1 from netinst, with no tasksel stuff, and no config besides static IPv4 networking and openssh-server |
| 05:12.44 | mi11k1 | viscera: i never quite understood that either |
| 05:12.51 | mi11k1 | maybe restart |
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| 05:13.28 | mi11k1 | viscera: i started using aptitude too, it seems to work better |
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| 05:13.41 | viscera | mi11k1: restarting doesn't help |
| 05:13.47 | viscera | mi11k1: aren't they the same backend db these days? |
| 05:13.49 | mi11k1 | viscera: its got curses interface to cl |
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| 05:14.19 | viscera | mi11k1: i don't see how that would help. i don't even have it installed... |
| 05:14.20 | mi11k1 | viscera: i dunno, but it seems to be more detailed |
| 05:14.31 | viscera | the base package manager should do it |
| 05:14.33 | mi11k1 | viscera: yah, its there |
| 05:14.46 | viscera | it's not on this system |
| 05:14.59 | mi11k1 | really, ialways use netinst and i have it |
| 05:15.12 | mi11k1 | ohh, maybe i got it with synaptic |
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| 05:16.45 | viscera | okay, it's installed... how will it help remove the weird deps? |
| 05:17.05 | mi11k1 | so if you use just aptitude it has a gui |
| 05:17.11 | viscera | sigh |
| 05:17.15 | mi11k1 | or do aptitude --help |
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| 05:18.03 | viscera | i don't see an option there that would help |
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| 05:18.14 | viscera | and gui isn't an option as this system doesn't have x11 |
| 05:18.29 | viscera | let's see if apt-get can remove aptitude cleanly, lol |
| 05:18.53 | mi11k1 | yah its gui is terminal |
| 05:18.59 | mi11k1 | just keep it |
| 05:19.19 | mi11k1 | try aptitude update |
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| 05:19.25 | Equa | viscera: you need to remove the other packages manually |
| 05:19.31 | viscera | hey, apt-get can remove aptitude cleanly |
| 05:19.38 | viscera | Equa: what's the reason for autoremove not working, though? |
| 05:20.07 | Equa | viscera: do apt-get remove copy and paste all the packages installed and skip the ones you removed |
| 05:20.19 | viscera | mi11k1: i've used aptitude before. afaik it used to have separate autoremove functionality but it was since merged into some lib so that all apt programs could use it |
| 05:20.26 | Equa | viscera: the metadata for the package didn't include the others |
| 05:20.59 | viscera | Equa: i don't understand... there was enough metadata to pull the dependencies in but not enough to remove them later? how is that possible? |
| 05:21.22 | Equa | viscera: removal has never worked well.... you always get things left behind |
| 05:21.31 | viscera | Equa: i get that... i'm trying to understand why |
| 05:21.51 | viscera | like maybe there's some rule to remember |
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| 05:22.23 | Equa | #1 don't install anything you don't need. if you want a clean removal, look at the apt-get log and remove the other packages |
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| 05:23.01 | viscera | hmm. |
| 05:23.19 | mi11k1 | viscera: i use a vm to try something first now |
| 05:23.21 | viscera | that's what i've historically done. you can see how it's frustrating though |
| 05:23.30 | viscera | i.e. doesn't work as advertised |
| 05:23.43 | viscera | compare with pacman which does autoremove consistently |
| 05:23.51 | Equa | viscera: i know the feeling. hence i do minimal installs lately and only add things as needed |
| 05:24.35 | viscera | Equa: but then you install something big, and use the system for a while, and unless you track things meticulously, you end up with bloat. all because what i presume are package manager (or metadata) bugs |
| 05:24.53 | viscera | or maybe i'm ignorant of autoremove's limitations |
| 05:24.58 | viscera | (if so, what are they) |
| 05:25.30 | mi11k1 | viscera: theres an app that finds those not being used i think, white something |
| 05:25.34 | Equa | viscera: look at /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 05:25.49 | mi11k1 | bleachbit maybe |
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| 05:26.39 | viscera | hmmmmm. |
| 05:26.48 | viscera | Equa: i know about manually doing it. |
| 05:26.53 | viscera | thanks anyway guys |
| 05:27.04 | valdyn | viscera: more likely than bugs you are hitting the fact that aptitude and apt still dont share the whole database, but have split databases about package states |
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| 05:27.31 | viscera | valdyn: i didn't even have aptitude installed at the time of the atftpd install/autoremove issue |
| 05:27.45 | viscera | anyway |
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| 05:28.08 | mi11k1 | viscera: i seem to notice that down the road apt finds them |
| 05:28.15 | mi11k1 | viscera: out of the blue |
| 05:28.42 | mi11k1 | could be my imagination though |
| 05:28.44 | Equa | stop giving mis info milks xd |
| 05:29.03 | viscera | i'm over it. |
| 05:29.33 | mi11k1 | i swear though, ill do an update and it will want to remove packages from stuff long gone |
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| 05:30.08 | mi11k1 | i dont let it bother me too much, its usually minimum space used |
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| 05:31.04 | mi11k1 | like buddy said, only install what u need |
| 05:31.25 | mi11k1 | i use vm for any experiments |
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| 05:31.45 | viscera | mi11k1: it's a bit sad |
| 05:31.50 | viscera | goes to install printers |
| 05:32.01 | mi11k1 | haha |
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| 05:35.16 | Equa | i haven't seen any system that does a complete removals of all files. always registry, conf, or something left behind. unless it's a nice program all under one directory then i can clean it all up by removing it |
| 05:35.44 | mi11k1 | Equa: my blackberry maybe |
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| 05:36.32 | Equa | mi11k1: if you had a file browser and go thru it carefully, you'll be surprise what's on it still. anywho it's all off topic |
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| 05:37.36 | mi11k1 | i know, its like how those foresics guys can recover stuff after format, lol |
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| 05:39.08 | mi11k1 | Equa: of course i have a file browser, bb runs android 4.3 runtime now |
| 05:39.49 | [1]Dark | hi guys, I just installed debian the other day and am noob, I love you, bye |
| 05:39.57 | mi11k1 | love u too |
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| 08:47.13 | hstl | <hstl> hi all! my debian system is encrypted by LUKS. I created a live DVD of my system by 'systemback'. And when i turn on my computer with live DVD it says: "cryptsetup: lvm is not available" for dozens of times and then " ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/[digits and letters] does not exist" (and many other things, i will post a photo if needed), when i boot my system by ordinary way it says "cryptsetup: lvm is no available" 2 times and then asking a password. What |
| 08:47.13 | hstl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.14 | hstl | <hstl> do to make it work from live DVD? |
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| 08:48.54 | DoctorD90 | hstl: it is a little difficult for me but: |
| 08:51.59 | DoctorD90 | cryptsetup encrypt a cluster of disk, like the fat cluster. To read the disk, you need that cluster, that it is encrypted. to work on dvd you should 'copy' that cluster to dvd, but this is a little hard, and maybe impossible, because that program, "more or less) change some stuff in 'its' fat, so encrypted hdd fat=/=dvd fat....so even if you rewrite that sector, i dont think it will.work....btw, your sotware should support the lvm partition bel |
| 08:52.27 | DoctorD90 | hstl: this is all.i can say to you :) |
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| 08:54.23 | hstl | DoctorD90, yes, i was thinking about it (that soft might be not supporting encryption and was asking about it, but nobody knew, so i tried. Can i decrypt my system? |
| 08:55.25 | DoctorD90 | uhm.....beautifull question :P this is an 'easiest' question, that i think google has yet :P try to google it :D |
| 08:55.26 | tralala | hstl, it looks like you don't have LVM modules or tools - build another DVD that includes LVM |
| 08:55.47 | hstl | it has 3 partitions: luks encrypted by phrase key, luks encrypted by random key and not encrypted |
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| 08:58.50 | hstl | tralala, i will post full message now |
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| 09:12.58 | hstl | tralala, DoctorD90, http://s17.postimg.org/hirg3zk27/SSL20003.jpg , http://s30.postimg.org/lzi8uhsrl/SSL20004.jpg |
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| 09:15.56 | hstl | tralala, DoctorD90, http://s18.postimg.org/56cscl1p5/SSL20005.jpg |
| 09:16.13 | DoctorD90 | hstl: sorry, my knowledge ends wherebi wrote you :P so sorry, but i dont know :P ps. probably doenst supported by software |
| 09:17.08 | DoctorD90 | hstl: LOL scoth on web cam xD you have won for me xD |
| 09:19.37 | hstl | insulating tape |
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| 09:33.20 | hstl | Guys, my system is encrypted by LUKS. Can i decrypt it without reinstallation like in truecrypt? |
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| 09:40.27 | fireba11 | hstl: you can mount it in any live media that supports luks |
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| 09:41.27 | DoctorD90 | hstl: i just suggest you to create a live media usb, and puts data files in an encrypted partition;) |
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| 09:42.22 | hstl | fireball, DoctorD90, i mean to fully decrypt it, make LUKS gone |
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| 09:43.08 | hstl | disable the encryption of disk forever |
| 09:43.43 | DoctorD90 | hstl this i mean: a live system can keep data between reboot, so encrypt it is useless. so create an usb with debian live, and create an encrypted partition for data:) |
| 09:44.05 | DoctorD90 | hstl: as said, i think it is possible, but better to goggle it |
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| 09:46.43 | Nephro | Hi, I need to launch a service but struggling to figure out the right command. It's a java service, that needs an external jar lib and needs to be run with nohup. |
| 09:47.07 | tralala | hstl, you can't simply decrypt the disk - you can copy the data and then reformat without encryption |
| 09:47.28 | Nephro | nohup java -classpath ./lib/ Classy 9999 > /dev/null & /// Is this correct? |
| 09:49.36 | tralala | Nephro, the redirection looks fine. You might want to add 2>&1 too |
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| 09:50.03 | hstl | tralala, so it means that i must make a clone of my system without encryption? |
| 09:50.52 | hstl | my system have 3 partitions: /boot, / , swap. swap and / are encrypted |
| 09:51.00 | Sublim3 | 2>&1 aka &> on recent version of bash |
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| 09:51.35 | Nephro | Sublim3, what is 2>&1 ? |
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| 09:51.56 | tralala | hstl, yes |
| 09:51.58 | Sublim3 | redirect stdout and stderr |
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| 09:52.26 | Sublim3 | but I taught nohup did that by default |
| 09:52.28 | tralala | actually redirect stderr to stdout |
| 09:52.59 | Sublim3 | to nohup.out |
| 09:54.06 | tralala | hmm, good point - nohup does redirect stderr to stdout |
| 09:54.29 | Sublim3 | and then stdout to nohup.out |
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| 09:55.18 | tralala | Nephro, so if the java's parameters are correct, your command is fine as it is |
| 09:56.00 | hstl | tralala, but i think the clone will be encrypted too. |
| 09:57.03 | tralala | hstl, it will if you copy the block devices. You have to mount the encrypted partition (/) and then use file copy. |
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| 09:58.07 | hstl | tralala, just copy file? live ctrl+c and then ctrl+v? |
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| 09:58.31 | hstl | i must copy all my system files like that? |
| 09:58.39 | hstl | like* |
| 09:59.27 | tralala | this will lose some file attributes, either use tar or some less involved backup tool |
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| 10:02.23 | tralala | hstl, in fact if you don't have any important data, it's just easier to reinstall. |
| 10:02.48 | hstl | tralala, yes, i am thinking about it |
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| 10:07.05 | hstl | tralala, sorry that i am bothering you. Can i ask one more question? LUKS worked just fine when my system wasn't live, so that means that lvm tools are there and live dvd has issues not because of it? i just installed LVM2 packages, can it help? |
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| 10:10.39 | sokeman | can some one please help me get my wifi working??? |
| 10:10.49 | mi11k1 | what kind? |
| 10:11.06 | tralala | hstl, the LVM is missing from the live system, not from the disk install. |
| 10:11.07 | mi11k1 | is debian installed already? |
| 10:11.39 | mi11k1 | tralala: sorry im not sure about your problem |
| 10:11.49 | mi11k1 | sokeman: what kind? |
| 10:12.10 | sokeman | do you mean distro? |
| 10:12.15 | mi11k1 | wifi |
| 10:12.22 | mi11k1 | usb? |
| 10:12.25 | sokeman | no |
| 10:12.28 | sokeman | inbuilt |
| 10:12.32 | mi11k1 | ibm? |
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| 10:12.35 | sokeman | asus |
| 10:12.38 | hstl | tralala, how it can be missing in live? Live is 100% copy of my normal system |
| 10:12.49 | sokeman | k52j |
| 10:13.09 | mi11k1 | sokeman: try adding non-free to your sources.list and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 10:13.25 | mi11k1 | i forget the command to find out chipset |
| 10:13.51 | tralala | hstl, well I don't know how, but the message is clear - there's no LVM. Maybe it's missing only from the initrd image. |
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| 10:14.02 | steedp3 | I am having troubles with M4 macros. They are not applying to one particualr line |
| 10:14.09 | sokeman | can you give me the address and ill add it to the list |
| 10:14.27 | mi11k1 | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:15.23 | hstl | tralala, this message 'lvm is not available' also shows in normal system |
| 10:15.28 | sokeman | i added lots to the source list because i was having problems |
| 10:15.43 | hstl | but then it asks password |
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| 10:18.07 | tralala | hstl, so you don't use LVM? |
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| 10:24.09 | yei | hello ! |
| 10:24.14 | steedp3 | Does anybody know what on earth is going on here? https://pastee.org/g3xwa , Why is HOSTNAME not being subsituted on the long lines? |
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| 10:26.33 | planetmaker | steedp3, maybe related to it being in literal quotation marks? |
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| 10:29.07 | makalu | can I somehow change PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH when I log in? .bashrc is run when I open a shell. |
| 10:30.46 | steedp3 | planetmaker: https://pastee.org/dy4c5 |
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| 10:34.50 | ERROH | Hello, is it configurable where packages are downloaded? |
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| 10:36.04 | DoctorD90 | ERROH: sure |
| 10:36.30 | DoctorD90 | man apt, you will read and find the configuration file |
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| 10:42.02 | ERROH | >This manpage isn't even started. |
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| 10:45.01 | jelly | ERROH: apt.conf(5) man page is probably more relevant, DIRECTORIES section |
| 10:45.27 | jelly | ERROH: why do you ask? |
| 10:45.30 | themill | or sources.list(5) |
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| 10:46.19 | fixl | does jessie come with systemd? |
| 10:46.21 | jelly | commented on <ERROH> Hello, is it configurable where packages are downloaded? |
| 10:46.23 | jelly | fixl: yes |
| 10:46.27 | fixl | cheers |
| 10:46.31 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 10:58.05 | makalu | what's the difference between .xinitrc and .xsessionrc? |
| 10:59.22 | inch | I guess that .xsessionrc is used also when xinit is not. |
| 11:00.08 | inch | xinit is usually used by startx and not by kdm/gdm/xdm |
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| 11:00.34 | makalu | thanks |
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| 11:08.08 | makalu | there was a program called xfrun4. It was removed when I upgraded debian (unstable). The internet says it's now called xfce4-appfinder. Is it in some package? Because it's not installed with xfce. |
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| 11:09.49 | ERROH | jelly, / is too small to allow for all downloads when moving from wheezy to jess. |
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| 11:11.58 | petn-randall | makalu: 'apt-file search xfce4-appfinder' will tell you which package it is. |
| 11:13.59 | makalu | the package was xfce4-appfinder. I didn't find it in synaptic for some reason. But it sucks anyway and is not a replacement for xfrun. |
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| 11:16.25 | tsousa | Jessie is the current lateste stable release? |
| 11:16.32 | petn-randall | tsousa: yes |
| 11:16.56 | subz3r0 | hey folks |
| 11:16.59 | subz3r0 | got a question |
| 11:17.18 | tsousa | petn-randall, and sid? |
| 11:17.18 | subz3r0 | how can i handle new interfaces (ethX, wlanX) that those wont go UP when i connect them? |
| 11:17.39 | petn-randall | makalu: It covers 100% of what xfrun4 did. |
| 11:17.48 | petn-randall | tsousa: That's unstable. |
| 11:17.50 | subz3r0 | ./etc/network/interfaces wont work. since i do not know if its eth3-X when its connected |
| 11:17.51 | makalu | interesting, xfrun is in that appfinder package. Thanks for that apt-file command. |
| 11:18.13 | mi11k1_ | hey, whats a way to layer a small picture on my desktop over existing wallpaper? |
| 11:18.47 | petn-randall | makalu: xfrun4 is a symlink to xfce4-appfinder. |
| 11:18.57 | subz3r0 | mi11k1_: use gimp and put it over the wallpaper |
| 11:19.13 | mi11k1_ | subz3r0: well, its not a static image |
| 11:19.22 | mi11k1_ | it will update once a day |
| 11:19.47 | themill | ERROH: the release notes talk about that exact situation |
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| 11:20.49 | makalu | petn-randall: weird. I had the useless drop-down open when I ran "xfce4-appfinder" but not with "xfrun4". |
| 11:20.49 | mi11k1_ | i wonder if conky can do jpg;s |
| 11:20.50 | petn-randall | mi11k1_: I think you can do the following: 1) configure your desktop to show foo.png (let's call it that way) 2) set up a cron job or something to regularly update it. 3) the desktop should notice the timestamp change and update the background accordingl. |
| 11:21.00 | petn-randall | s/accordingl/accordingly/ |
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| 11:21.38 | petn-randall | makalu: ls -l /usr/bin/xfrun4 |
| 11:21.53 | mi11k1_ | petn-randall: but i just want the small layered image to update |
| 11:22.05 | petn-randall | makalu: It'll register how it got called and show that dropdown or not. You can toggle it with the small arrow on the right. |
| 11:22.25 | mi11k1_ | petn-randall: wouldnt i need something running seperate over it? maybe conky? |
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| 11:22.49 | r6ku | mi11k1_: I think kde has a widget for that? |
| 11:22.50 | makalu | petn-randall: the toggling doesn't help. Every time I open xfce4-appfinder it's there. But it doesn't matter, I have xfrun4 back now. |
| 11:23.01 | mi11k1_ | r6ku: i use mate |
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| 11:23.16 | makalu | it might be a symlink but something somewhere makes it open the correct way |
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| 11:25.00 | sb_9 | how to know ./<executable_file> is selecting which interface like sh,bash,python, perl without seeing code? |
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| 11:27.48 | petn-randall | sb_9: If it's a script, it has a shebang in the first line. There's no way to know without looking. |
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| 11:28.48 | SCDias | try open it in nano and you may see something like #/bin/bash or anything like this |
| 11:29.26 | rozie | sb_9: file script should be fine too |
| 11:30.19 | petn-randall | rozie: I'd count that as "looking inside the file", which doesn't work for sb_9 for some reason. |
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| 11:33.22 | JyZyXEL | how can i make "LSB: Raise network interfaces" systemd service timeout faster? |
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| 11:33.38 | edoardo | Hello, i'm back with the same problem |
| 11:33.41 | edoardo | And i think i found the culprit |
| 11:34.10 | edoardo | After i run something in wine root apps can't access X anymore |
| 11:34.19 | edoardo | Even after reboot |
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| 11:35.04 | jelly | JyZyXEL: why does it timeout in the first place instead of start normally? |
| 11:35.25 | jelly | JyZyXEL: do you have anything unusual in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:35.27 | JyZyXEL | jelly: i have no idea, it just randomly does that often when i boot |
| 11:35.36 | svetlana | edoardo: it would help to give more information, such as debian version, which app you ran, what error you get, and what errors you see in logs (.Xerror-something in ~, and probably also elsewhere) |
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| 11:35.54 | svetlana | and whether you attempted uninstalling the said wine app via its uninstall script |
| 11:36.07 | edoardo | I'm on Debian Stretch, but nobody replies there |
| 11:36.16 | edoardo | (on #debian-next, i intend) |
| 11:36.52 | JyZyXEL | jelly: nope, quite standard: http://paste.debian.net/299292/ |
| 11:37.03 | edoardo | Anyway, running wine causes X to break in someway, and I can't load any apps in root anymore. Even using gksu or pkgexec |
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| 11:37.19 | edoardo | the only error i get is "(synaptic:18830): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
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| 11:37.20 | edoardo | " |
| 11:37.21 | JyZyXEL | jelly: same problem with both jessie and sid |
| 11:37.30 | JyZyXEL | that interfaces file only randomly works on systemd |
| 11:37.39 | petn-randall | edoardo: If you're running stretch, please ask in #debian-next. |
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| 11:38.26 | edoardo | I'll just file a bug then, that channel is dead |
| 11:39.10 | petn-randall | edoardo: You didn't even ask in there, I checked. |
| 11:39.17 | edoardo | petn-randall: i asked yesterday |
| 11:39.18 | JyZyXEL | jelly im thinking ill just set the timeout for systemd networking to like 5 seconds and then add this to my rc.local: [[ -z $(ifconfig br0 | grep 'inet addr:'| cut -d: -f2 | awk '{ print $1}') ]] && { ifdown br0; ifup br0; } |
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| 11:41.20 | jelly | JyZyXEL: ah, you have a bridge set up. Under normal conditions a bridge needs 18-30 seconds to set up its place on the network |
| 11:41.43 | JyZyXEL | well, what ever systemd is doing, its doing it wrong |
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| 11:42.31 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's just waiting for the script to end as networking is a hard dependency for some other services. sysvinit does the same thing |
| 11:42.32 | JyZyXEL | i can't find the script responsible |
| 11:43.43 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 11:45.31 | JyZyXEL | doesn't have the timeout |
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| 11:46.09 | jelly | JyZyXEL: I just told you, bringing up a bridge interface is what's causing the delay |
| 11:46.31 | JyZyXEL | but it never succeeds |
| 11:46.37 | JyZyXEL | half the time |
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| 11:46.50 | JyZyXEL | DHCP server never hears a DHCP request |
| 11:46.58 | JyZyXEL | and systemd just sits there waiting and doing nothing |
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| 11:47.14 | JyZyXEL | until it finally gives up and continues booting after a few minutes |
| 11:47.22 | JyZyXEL | and im left with a interface without a IP address |
| 11:47.41 | JyZyXEL | so the first thing i gotta do is to login and do "ifdown br0; ifup br0" |
| 11:47.55 | JyZyXEL | i'm absolutely sick and tired doing that |
| 11:48.34 | subz3r0 | jelly: nice to see you. maybe you can answer my question. I want that new interfaces wont go to the UP state after connecthing them. for both, ethX interfaces and for wifi interfaces. any ideas? since when i connect e.g a wifi interface it goes directly up |
| 11:48.39 | jelly | JyZyXEL: do you have logs of bootup? Tried adding " bridge_stp off" to iface definition? |
| 11:48.49 | JyZyXEL | jelly: stp defaults to off |
| 11:48.58 | jelly | JyZyXEL: huh, since when |
| 11:49.26 | JyZyXEL | jelly: manual just says since "latest kernels" |
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| 11:49.57 | JyZyXEL | brctl show confirms |
| 11:50.02 | subz3r0 | do you guys talk about a switched net? |
| 11:50.11 | subz3r0 | if so, remember BCDs |
| 11:50.18 | subz3r0 | broadcast domains... |
| 11:50.50 | subz3r0 | in the cisco world its called IP-Helper, if you have different ranges for which the dhcp server should be used |
| 11:51.15 | jelly | subz3r0: dunno. how do you get your networks configured, via /etc/network/interfaces, or via NetworkManager? |
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| 11:51.31 | subz3r0 | jelly: depends on the machine |
| 11:51.45 | subz3r0 | but even when i kill the network-manager the interfaces go up |
| 11:51.56 | jelly | subz3r0: does this happen on a machine that has all configuration in /e/n/interfaces? |
| 11:51.59 | subz3r0 | is there a udev rule or something? |
| 11:52.15 | subz3r0 | jelly: the thing is, i dont know or can exactly say which interface it will be |
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| 11:52.22 | subz3r0 | since the users can connect them to the machine |
| 11:52.28 | JyZyXEL | jelly: maybe i should just remove br0 from /etc/network/interfaces and manually set it up in rc.local? |
| 11:52.35 | subz3r0 | could be eth1,... eth10 |
| 11:52.41 | subz3r0 | or wlan0 to wlanX |
| 11:52.46 | JyZyXEL | and leave eth0 manual |
| 11:53.26 | jelly | JyZyXEL: you could try "iface eth0 inet dhcp" instead of br0, and see if the timeout occurs in that case, as a test |
| 11:53.53 | subz3r0 | or "dhclient eth0" ;) |
| 11:54.01 | subz3r0 | les to type ... :P |
| 11:54.10 | JyZyXEL | and totally different things |
| 11:54.20 | jelly | subz3r0: the context is /etc/network/interfaces configuration |
| 11:54.33 | JyZyXEL | yeah i might try that |
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| 11:54.54 | JyZyXEL | someone on stackoverflow was saying that debian didn't properly implement systemds networking |
| 11:55.08 | subz3r0 | jelly: well with my issue i cannot say which interface it will be. can be eth6 or eth8 or wlanX to Y |
| 11:55.09 | JyZyXEL | and that's why we are seeing this type of stuff |
| 11:55.10 | jelly | subz3r0: do these "users" also have root access? |
| 11:55.22 | subz3r0 | jelly: no |
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| 11:55.45 | jelly | subz3r0: what kind of machine has 7-9 wired and 5 wireless interfaces added? |
| 11:55.53 | Lope | is it best to turn the journal off on an EXT4 formatted microSD card (to extend life)? or safer to leave the journal on? I never remove microSD's without dismounting and running sync. |
| 11:55.56 | subz3r0 | the interfaces just should no go up directlx and try to check for dhcp servers or wifi network... |
| 11:56.10 | subz3r0 | jelly: a lab |
| 11:56.23 | JyZyXEL | Lope: you could use external journal |
| 11:56.24 | jelly | subz3r0: servers or workstations? |
| 11:56.34 | subz3r0 | Lope: i never got a usb stick crash |
| 11:56.37 | subz3r0 | jelly: both |
| 11:56.39 | jelly | subz3r0: I'd just uninstall network manager. |
| 11:56.58 | subz3r0 | jelly: but it happens without a DE as well |
| 11:57.12 | subz3r0 | so i guess there is another mechanism which puts the interfaces up |
| 11:57.12 | jelly | subz3r0: does it happen when network manager is not installed? |
| 11:57.15 | subz3r0 | maybe udev? |
| 11:57.23 | subz3r0 | jelly: exactly |
| 11:57.30 | subz3r0 | it happens with no NM as well |
| 11:57.37 | jelly | subz3r0: which debian release is this? |
| 11:57.44 | subz3r0 | debian 6to8 |
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| 11:58.18 | petn-randall | subz3r0: What is debian "6to8"? All version of Debian between 6 and 8? |
| 11:58.25 | jelly | subz3r0: I find it HIGHLY unlikely that happens on 6 or 7 without customization or NM in place |
| 11:58.30 | subz3r0 | petn-randall: lol :) |
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| 11:58.33 | petn-randall | Or did you upgrade from 6 to 8? |
| 11:58.40 | subz3r0 | well, debian 6, debian 7 and debian 8 |
| 11:58.50 | petn-randall | ok |
| 11:59.30 | subz3r0 | jelly: i didnt install those labs. just administer them atm. checked like everywhere why thos einterfaces go up |
| 11:59.41 | subz3r0 | but cannot find it. so thats why im asking in here |
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| 11:59.52 | subz3r0 | and ofc i did RTFM before i come in here and steal your time ;) |
| 11:59.53 | jelly | subz3r0: pick one machine where interfaces get brought up and dhcp client is started, show the output of "dpkg -l libc6 base-files ifupdown network-manager\*" |
| 12:00.31 | jelly | subz3r0: also pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:00.38 | subz3r0 | jelly: need to call some1 then. since im about 500km away of the lab :D |
| 12:01.03 | subz3r0 | i can give yout the interfaces file directly |
| 12:01.15 | jelly | subz3r0: but you can't provide dpkg output?? |
| 12:01.48 | subz3r0 | auto eth0 |
| 12:01.56 | jelly | pastebin, please |
| 12:01.58 | jelly | !paste |
| 12:01.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:02.21 | subz3r0 | iface eth inet manual |
| 12:02.38 | subz3r0 | no no. its not more than 2 lines :D |
| 12:02.47 | subz3r0 | "eth0" |
| 12:02.52 | subz3r0 | now three lines... damn :D |
| 12:03.15 | subz3r0 | jelly: the lab isnt connected to the net. and i cannot access it from here |
| 12:03.20 | subz3r0 | usually i do it over KVM |
| 12:03.34 | jelly | subz3r0: ok, I'll wait on further comments until you're able to provide all the requested info |
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| 12:04.35 | jelly | in general, Debian won't bring up and configure new interfaces to dhcp by default |
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| 12:04.49 | jelly | but I can't vouch for setups with NM |
| 12:05.27 | subz3r0 | there is no NM installed |
| 12:05.34 | subz3r0 | its plain shiat :) |
| 12:05.58 | subz3r0 | no need for the network manager without a desktop environment |
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| 12:06.21 | jelly | yeah well, prove it, then we'll see |
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| 12:08.08 | jelly | it's safer for both parties to exclude the possible stupid causes first |
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| 12:08.38 | subz3r0 | well. pastebin.com is under heavy load atm |
| 12:08.42 | subz3r0 | but here just three lines... |
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| 12:08.45 | subz3r0 | ii base-files 7.1wheezy8 amd64 Debian base system miscellaneous |
| 12:09.03 | subz3r0 | ii ifupdown 0.7.8 amd64 high level tools to configure net |
| 12:09.11 | TheNumb | subz3r0: there are more pastebins |
| 12:09.13 | TheNumb | ... |
| 12:09.14 | subz3r0 | ii libc6:amd64 2.13-38+deb7 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared li |
| 12:09.21 | subz3r0 | TheNumb: so? |
| 12:09.24 | jelly | subz3r0: paste.debian.net |
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| 12:09.27 | subz3r0 | ahh nice |
| 12:09.53 | subz3r0 | "no debian package found that fits on network-manager*" |
| 12:09.54 | jelly | (the bot pointed there, above, did you read it?) |
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| 12:11.16 | subz3r0 | no. |
| 12:12.27 | subz3r0 | jelly: so there is no NM as you can see |
| 12:12.44 | subz3r0 | and this was from a wheezy machine |
| 12:13.14 | subz3r0 | my mate on the other side of the line told me its almost the same for the other versions(6 and 8) |
| 12:13.30 | subz3r0 | just the output of dpkg is a bit different |
| 12:13.44 | subz3r0 | but that should be due the versions changes i guess :) |
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| 12:15.05 | Zesk | Hello, is there official way to install openjdk-8-jdk on Debian? I only find ppa for ubuntu... |
| 12:15.13 | jelly | subz3r0: no idea, then. put all the previous stuff in one pastebin, add "ps -fe |grep dhc", "ip a" and "dmesg" output |
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| 12:16.42 | jelly | subz3r0: or even the whole "pstree -A" instead of just |grep dhc |
| 12:17.06 | Captain_Sifff | Hi all! How can I use blowfish encrypted passwords in debian Jessie? |
| 12:17.13 | jelly | judd: v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 12:17.14 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u66-b01-1~bpo8+1; sid: 8u66-b01-1; stretch: 8u66-b01-1 |
| 12:17.25 | jelly | dpkg, tell Zesk about jessie-backports |
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| 12:18.14 | jelly | Zesk: look at the private message you got from the dpkg bot. |
| 12:20.05 | Zesk | jelly: thanks, I will take a look :) |
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| 12:22.30 | Zesk | jelly: It works (of course ^^) |
| 12:23.20 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: default of SHA-512 ($6$ crypt algo) not good enough? |
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| 12:36.24 | subz3r0 | jelly: will or can do it later. since my colegue is having is meal atm... |
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| 12:40.43 | mi11k1 | sokeman: an lucj? |
| 12:40.49 | mi11k1 | luck* |
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| 13:07.33 | AmazinglyDumb | hello, debs |
| 13:07.56 | AmazinglyDumb | why is 'ifconfig' not hooked by the shell? |
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| 13:08.12 | AmazinglyDumb | it's in /sbin/, not /bin/ though |
| 13:09.07 | AmazinglyDumb | is it typical to add /sbin/ to $PATH? |
| 13:09.21 | themill | no |
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| 13:09.51 | AmazinglyDumb | so ifconfig in debian by default can be called only by the full path? |
| 13:10.05 | AmazinglyDumb | or did I break something already? |
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| 13:11.15 | themill | ifconfig is in /sbin because it's supposed to be there for root |
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| 13:12.24 | AmazinglyDumb | oh |
| 13:12.49 | AmazinglyDumb | well, then I'll just stick with the permanent root |
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| 13:13.59 | AmazinglyDumb | what are the default pkg mgmt systems available on deb? I found aptitude and synaptic |
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| 13:14.44 | Brigo | AmazinglyDumb, and apt, and apt-get/apt-cache. |
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| 13:21.52 | Captain_Sifff | Hi all! How can I use blowfish encrypted passwords in debian Jessie? |
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| 13:22.42 | Iridos | <jelly> Captain_Sifff: default of SHA-512 ($6$ crypt algo) not good enough? |
| 13:23.21 | Captain_Sifff | Definitely good enough, but I distribute a legacy shadow list via NIS |
| 13:27.03 | Captain_Sifff | and forcing my users to change their passwords is not necessarily an option... |
| 13:27.27 | jelly | $2a$ (the blowfish based one) will still work if you have those |
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| 13:29.11 | mi11k1 | jelly: you doing portals? |
| 13:29.19 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: what's the source OS for your current entries, Linux or something else? can you show a shadow entry? |
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| 13:29.35 | jelly | mi11k1: no idea what you're talking about... so I'm going with "no" |
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| 13:29.44 | Captain_Sifff | The source distribution is debian wheezy |
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| 13:29.54 | mi11k1 | i thought u were talking about captiveportal |
| 13:30.00 | mi11k1 | sorry |
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| 13:30.26 | jelly | 's okay |
| 13:31.05 | Captain_Sifff | an example entry would be: user:$2a$05$oVr..... |
| 13:32.42 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: should Just Work⢠|
| 13:33.26 | jelly | if it doesn't, I don't think the choice of crpyt() hash algo is to blame |
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| 13:34.39 | Captain_Sifff | On my testing machine, I have set in common-password: password sufficient pam_unix.so blowfish |
| 13:34.56 | Captain_Sifff | If I now try to est the password using passwd I get the error: |
| 13:35.46 | Captain_Sifff | in auth.log: Algo blowfish not supported by the crypto backend, falling back to MD5 |
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| 13:36.20 | Captain_Sifff | So it seems there is some catch which version of libcrypt I have to install... |
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| 13:41.42 | eliasp | where can I find the repositories containing the downstream modifications of packages (e.g. libpam-runtime ships a Debian/Ubuntu specific 'pam-auth-update' script)? |
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| 13:43.03 | Iridos | hmm, my wheezy-repo has »libpam-unix2 - Blowfish-capable PAM module« ... which I don't have installed |
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| 13:44.10 | eliasp | ah, I think I found it⦠pam-auth-update is on Ubuntu's Launchpad in the 'pam' project |
| 13:44.30 | Iridos | eliasp, any source package has the patches... on a debian system apt-get source <packagename> ... else look for the source packages on packages.debian.org |
| 13:44.34 | Captain_Sifff | pam_unix should by now be capable of blowfish.pam_unix2 is not supported anymore for three years now. |
| 13:45.11 | eliasp | Iridos: sure, but I'm looking for the SCM to produce a proper patch which can be merged properly back into the origin |
| 13:45.20 | Captain_Sifff | but pam_unix seems to need a capable libcrypt. Note that my Jessie computer is a fresh install. |
| 13:45.25 | eliasp | Iridos: but I think I found now the bzr repo containing it |
| 13:45.38 | Captain_Sifff | And pam_unix2 has been kicked from the jessie repos... |
| 13:46.10 | Iridos | judd, versions libpam-unix2 |
| 13:46.11 | judd | Package: libpam-unix2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.4.1-4; wheezy: 1:2.4.1-6; sid: 1:2.6-2 |
| 13:46.33 | Iridos | there's one in sid, though |
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| 13:56.13 | Iridos | judd, versions libxcrypt1 |
| 13:56.14 | judd | Package: libxcrypt1 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.4-1; wheezy: 1:2.4-3; stretch: 1:2.4-3.1; jessie: 1:2.4-3.1; sid: 1:2.4-3.1 |
| 13:56.30 | Iridos | Captain_Sifff, ^^^? |
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| 13:57.30 | deus_x | Any idea what can cause a login to be immideatly terminated? |
| 13:57.54 | deus_x | I'm talking about direct terminal |
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| 13:58.39 | Captain_Sifff | I've just installed libxcrypt1 |
| 13:58.56 | c0fe_machine | deus_x: issues with the shell |
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| 13:59.12 | c0fe_machine | guess check /etc/passwd somehow if it is set to properly allow a shell to create |
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| 13:59.35 | Captain_Sifff | but it does not yet work. Maybe it'S still using the old library |
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| 13:59.50 | Captain_Sifff | But as a note, libxcrypt1 was not installed. |
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| 14:03.49 | Iridos | not sure how/when pam would check if a library function is added |
| 14:03.56 | Iridos | s/added/present/ |
| 14:04.06 | Iridos | and not sure how it gets those |
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| 14:04.28 | Iridos | don't think it can be regular dynamic linking... then it would demand the library |
| 14:04.29 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: hmm. I can't confirm with perl's crypt() wrapper that $2a$ is actually implemented in wheezy |
| 14:04.32 | _heiko | how can i get wlan to work on debian 8 live cd installer? thx |
| 14:04.59 | _heiko | it's a fritzbox wpa2-psk wifi |
| 14:05.26 | _heiko | has never been a problem to windows, mac or phones only to linux :( |
| 14:05.30 | Captain_Sifff | not sure how this is done in perl. for blowfish support there are various extra perl packages. |
| 14:05.34 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: md5 $1$, sha-256 $5$ and sha-512 $6$ do work, but giving crypt() a salt starting with $2a$ the thing just does the old DES hash |
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| 14:06.28 | jelly | perl -e 'print crypt("password", "\$6\$xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"), "\n"' |
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| 14:07.03 | jelly | (ltrace confirms crypt_r() libc function gets called) |
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| 14:08.04 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: so maybe I was wrong, and glibc in Debian really does not support it |
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| 14:10.35 | Captain_Sifff | Now with libxcrypt installed and a complete reboot, I still can't change the passwd to blowfish |
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| 14:11.31 | _heiko | need help with wifi setup for Debian 8 live cd thx |
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| 14:12.15 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: of course, that's just the library. You still need software that explicitely uses said library. |
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| 14:12.41 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: your best best is probably to build a backported pam_unix2 |
| 14:12.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell Captain_Sifff about simple sid backport |
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| 14:13.00 | Captain_Sifff | Sticking to binary packages, I can't force pam_unix to use that, no? |
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| 14:13.20 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: it's not linked against it |
| 14:14.21 | jelly | so probably not, trying to force it with LD_PRELOAD may have weird consequences |
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| 14:14.30 | r6ku | _heiko: if your wifi wasn't automatically detected, you have to figure which wireless card you have and install the right firmware for it to work |
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| 14:15.07 | Iridos | Captain_Sifff, maybe you may want to have a peek at bugs.debian.org/729813 |
| 14:15.09 | _heiko | the card was detected properly but the connection doesnt work |
| 14:15.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/729813 in libpam-unix2 (open, upstream, patch): «jessie/testing pam_unix2 (2.6-1) module is compiled without blowfish support»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-11-17; last modified: 2014-02-27. |
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| 14:15.24 | _heiko | it wants to know the essid + the wlan key |
| 14:15.32 | Captain_Sifff | Yes, I've seen that. |
| 14:15.33 | _heiko | both are correct but it cant connect |
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| 14:15.45 | Iridos | hmm, that's libpam_unix2 again |
| 14:15.47 | Iridos | weird |
| 14:16.01 | Captain_Sifff | the consens seems to be that pam_unix2 is dead and that pam_unix supports blowfish. |
| 14:16.14 | Captain_Sifff | If the crypt call supports it.... |
| 14:16.15 | jelly | except when it doesn't |
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| 14:19.10 | Captain_Sifff | How would this work with a backport? Sincee I can't backport to Jessie, no? |
| 14:19.31 | bumbar_ | i've formatted usb drive to ext4, cp'd debian cd iso image to it, and when i plug it into other machine, it's not installing |
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| 14:20.53 | Captain_Sifff | And the version in sid seems to be the broken version.... |
| 14:21.30 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: sure you can backport to jessie |
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| 14:21.45 | jelly | and apply the patch from the bug report when you're doing it |
| 14:21.51 | _heiko | then i have to go an get ubuntu ... |
| 14:22.12 | _heiko | no wifi no debian :( |
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| 14:22.29 | r6ku | _heiko: try linux mint |
| 14:22.39 | Captain_Sifff | Hmm... will think about wether that is a mass-suitable solution... |
| 14:22.46 | _heiko | mint? |
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| 14:23.30 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: eh, build it once, deploy the .deb everywhere |
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| 14:24.03 | jelly | dpkg, tell _heiko about firmware images |
| 14:24.55 | Captain_Sifff | hmm... sounds doable... |
| 14:24.57 | jelly | _heiko: unofficial firmware images are probably the simplest way to work around the wifi connectivity in the installer |
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| 14:25.06 | jelly | non-connectivity* |
| 14:26.34 | knivsta | why did debian choose 3.16? |
| 14:26.56 | _heiko | jelly thx |
| 14:28.31 | jelly | knivsta: long-term support, and reasonably fresh at the time of freeze |
| 14:29.05 | knivsta | jelly, 3.19 was available at that time? |
| 14:29.09 | jelly | and probably lots of other tiny reasons, I'm not aware of |
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| 14:29.13 | c0fe_machine | i have not kept up with what microsoft been doing recently in regards to .Net framework but is it possible to run the .Net runtime on Debian 8? |
| 14:29.23 | knivsta | c0fe_machine, oh |
| 14:29.34 | jelly | knivsta: maybe it was. Is it long-term? |
| 14:30.46 | c0fe_machine | knivsta: huh? |
| 14:31.03 | knivsta | jelly, of course Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has it now |
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| 14:32.17 | jelly | knivsta: "now" ? |
| 14:32.51 | c0fe_machine | anyone know? |
| 14:33.04 | jelly | knivsta: do you happen to know when did canonical's kernel team start supporting that one? |
| 14:33.36 | bezaban | ubuntu 14.04 went with a non-LTS kernel, which some are concerned about |
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| 14:34.49 | bezaban | I'd assume debian went with the LTS kernel |
| 14:35.16 | bezaban | s/the/an/ |
| 14:35.40 | jelly | bezaban: debian kernel team works with ubuntu's. "ckt" in jessie's kernel stands for "Canonical Kernel Team" |
| 14:35.55 | jelly | !ckt |
| 14:35.55 | dpkg | The Linux kernel in Debian 8 "Jessie" comes with the version string "ckt" as these receive long term support as a collaboration between the Debian and Ubuntu kernel maintainers: the Canonical Kernel Team. https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/11/msg00154.html |
| 14:36.28 | bezaban | jelly: interesting, thanks |
| 14:36.36 | knivsta | jelly, but kernel.org = nothing about 3.16 |
| 14:36.53 | jelly | knivsta: correct |
| 14:37.00 | jelly | knivsta: nothing about 3.19, either |
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| 14:37.57 | knivsta | jelly, hehe :) What is debian and Ubuntu people doing then? Secret experiment? |
| 14:38.47 | deus_x | RAAAAAAGH! Ofcourse the limits.conf file was gone! Our tests fucking sucks! |
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| 14:39.33 | jelly | knivsta: I'm not sure how a public annoucement constitutes a secret, did you read the mailing list message about ckt, linked above? |
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| 14:41.28 | beastwick987 | I have a mobo that supports WoL, but Windows only for some reason (according to Gigabyte). I was wondering if I could sleep my PC into s0 and wake it up over WoL that way. I'm basically looking for lower power consumption, but I guess enough components are awake to just wake it up. IDK if that makes sense. |
| 14:41.41 | _heiko | jelly: :( same thing, "key exchange and connection failure" same as before |
| 14:41.48 | beastwick987 | Basically i'm trying to get my NIC to not shut off |
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| 14:42.02 | beastwick987 | and hopefully wake it up over the internet with a magic packet |
| 14:42.04 | _heiko | picked the 8.1 firmware image you pointed me too but to no avail sadly |
| 14:42.08 | knivsta | jelly, ok thanks |
| 14:42.11 | knivsta | I think I missed it |
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| 14:42.21 | beastwick987 | it's the E2201 atheros driver in Linux that had WoL removed due to a "bug" |
| 14:42.22 | shay_shay | ð |
| 14:42.33 | jelly | beastwick987: use ethtool to see if wol is enabled (and available) |
| 14:42.48 | beastwick987 | jelly it lists wol, but not as a feature I can turn on or off |
| 14:43.13 | beastwick987 | I'm not home right now to do a pastebin |
| 14:43.19 | beastwick987 | but there are a bunch of properties listed with wol |
| 14:43.26 | beastwick987 | but it says it isn't supported when I try to enable it |
| 14:43.44 | jelly | beastwick987: then you're out of luck |
| 14:44.03 | beastwick987 | jelly i dont understand how it works in windows but not linux |
| 14:44.07 | beastwick987 | jelly driver thing right? |
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| 14:44.30 | beastwick987 | jelly there is no option in the bios for WoL, I just know in windows you tell it to prevent it from shutting down the NIC and walla it works. |
| 14:44.40 | beastwick987 | jelly that is what gigabyte told me |
| 14:44.48 | beastwick987 | jelly its a gaming 7 motherboard |
| 14:45.03 | jelly | beastwick987: most likely. Unless that "bug" gets fixed in some kernel (well, driver) version and ethtool starts seeing the feature as available and is able to switch in back on... |
| 14:45.24 | beastwick987 | jelly can I patch it ^_^ ? |
| 14:45.29 | jelly | dunno, can you? |
| 14:45.36 | unborn | :) |
| 14:45.39 | beastwick987 | jelly dunno I was hoping someone else did |
| 14:45.45 | beastwick987 | jelly lol |
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| 14:46.25 | Str3iber | does the debian multimedia team have a channel? |
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| 14:46.39 | EugenA | anybody using taskwarrior? how would you edit description of a task? |
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| 14:48.32 | jelly | beastwick987: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg242477.html ... the bug seems to make suspend useless |
| 14:49.33 | beastwick987 | jelly I read that T.T |
| 14:49.56 | rdz | hi all. is there a reason to put a line for the root filesystem in /etc/fstab? it seems the system still boots without it |
| 14:50.05 | beastwick987 | jelly I don |
| 14:50.21 | beastwick987 | jelly I don't want to leave my PC on all the time... I guess there is no work around. |
| 14:51.10 | jelly | beastwick987: might try hibernation, instead |
| 14:51.59 | beastwick987 | jelly Like enable it in the driver and then hibernate instead of sleep? |
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| 14:54.11 | jelly | beastwick987: no driver support needed, just hibernate you machine instead of shutting down. At least that way you resume what you were doing the night before. |
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| 14:54.26 | jelly | beastwick987: WOL still won't work |
| 14:54.44 | beastwick987 | jelly I'm going to try to reverse those patch changes and hibernate. |
| 14:55.05 | beastwick987 | jelly Looks like a little bit of fun. |
| 14:55.17 | beastwick987 | jelly I kind don't want to go back to Windows just for WoL |
| 14:55.45 | jelly | beastwick987: if you can't live without WoL, run could run Linux inside a VM |
| 14:56.03 | beastwick987 | jelly Right now I have a Linux host, Windows guest with PCI pass through. I did Windows Host, Linux guest and barely touched my Linux after that. |
| 14:56.57 | jelly | beastwick987: I had a laptop running with linux guest in full screen, booted from the same physical disk, for a couple months when some drivers got broken in debian |
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| 14:57.39 | beastwick987 | You can boot natively installed linux in a VM in Windows? |
| 14:57.45 | beastwick987 | Virtualbox or Qemu? |
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| 14:57.56 | jelly | beastwick987: twas vbox at the time |
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| 14:58.39 | beastwick987 | jelly I have a drive I don't use, I guess I'll give it a go that way. Was it hard to boot from the native partition? |
| 15:00.27 | jelly | beastwick987: the disk image had to be prepared with a CLI tool (vdiskmanager somthing, maybe?) to map the physical disk, and only allow writing to linux partitions. Also it didn't want to boot from physical MBR so a file was used as MBR of the virtual disk. That was years ago, maybe 2007, maybe earlier |
| 15:00.44 | jelly | presumably things are easier now |
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| 15:01.22 | AxonetBE | somebody some experience with deamontools? |
| 15:01.54 | jelly | djb daemontools? |
| 15:02.19 | AxonetBE | djb? |
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| 15:03.34 | AxonetBE | jelly: yes djb deamontools |
| 15:03.39 | jelly | AxonetBE: yes. Are you talking about http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html or http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/home ? |
| 15:03.43 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:03.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:04.19 | AxonetBE | I want to know if process is heavy when running? I need to install it on a beaglebone and don't want that it takes all the power |
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| 15:05.55 | jelly | AxonetBE: that stuff is as lightweight as possible |
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| 15:06.34 | AxonetBE | jelly: top |
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| 15:06.42 | jelly | your services running under it are going to be the wasters |
| 15:07.32 | beastwick987 | jelly if I try to reverse the patch changes, i'm assuming I would find the drivers in the kernel sources a/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx/ethtool.c <- where a would be the top level directory where I extract the kernel sources? |
| 15:07.44 | jelly | AxonetBE: and of course, storage may suffer if your service generates lots of logs (stdout/stderr output), but that's hardly daemontools' fault |
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| 15:08.02 | jelly | beastwick987: yeah |
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| 15:09.22 | beastwick987 | jelly which leads me to my next question, I can create different boot entries in grub right? Like I will want to create an entry with my patched kernel, a fallback entry with the old, and an additional one with the old that doesn't have my PCI passthrough changes. I guess I should be able to find how to do that in grub documentation... |
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| 15:12.47 | jelly | beastwick987: sure, to be compatible with update-grub, instead of editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg you put entries into /etc/grub/40_custom |
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| 15:13.44 | beastwick987 | jelly thanks very much for your help |
| 15:13.59 | beastwick987 | jelly i'll let you know how that patch goes, i'm just curious did they take it out based on the report of one guy? |
| 15:14.24 | beastwick987 | jelly in that thread, one guy simply says wol is bad in alx, and poof it's gone. |
| 15:14.40 | beastwick987 | jelly maybe it's board specific |
| 15:15.09 | jelly | beastwick987: that one guy is the developer, tho |
| 15:15.32 | jelly | did not actually browse the whole thread |
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| 15:16.12 | beastwick987 | jelly o, lol, my bad. |
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| 15:17.14 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one , i have debian 8.1 on a stick now and on the edge of installing it , i have a partition for / and another one for swap , i have an EFI system , how can i still have windows and debian dual booted ? |
| 15:18.02 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: is windows already installed? |
| 15:18.07 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: yes |
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| 15:18.50 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: I think the installer will then do the right thing and add a menu entry for Debian's grub into the existing EFI boot partition |
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| 15:19.20 | cobra-the-joker | so no need for extra configuration ? |
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| 15:19.57 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: some systems have quirks with UEFI, some work as-is |
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| 15:20.21 | cobra-the-joker | anything i can do to ensure that i keep my windows boot beside the linux one ? |
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| 15:21.09 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: dunno, make the windows recovery thingy? |
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| 15:21.25 | r6ku | cobra-the-joker: don't f'up while partitioning :) |
| 15:21.39 | jelly | have backups, make sure they're working, NO WARRANTY |
| 15:22.17 | cobra-the-joker | no resources for backup :( |
| 15:22.24 | cobra-the-joker | i will pray first then |
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| 15:23.27 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: if this is your only machine and you need it for work or school, don't do installations that might screw it up. Install in a VM until you can get something like a large enough external disk to make backups |
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| 15:23.31 | jelly | heh |
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| 15:23.46 | jelly | !next |
| 15:23.46 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:26.56 | jamesc | I have tun loaded but get "interface tap0 does not exist!" when I try "brctl addif br0 tap0" any one know why? |
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| 15:28.39 | jelly | jamesc: you have to create the interface first? |
| 15:29.28 | jamesc | jelly: previously I did interface tap0 does not exist! |
| 15:29.44 | jamesc | previously I added a br0 |
| 15:29.51 | jelly | jamesc: the kernel driver is just a backend. Which software are you using that creates a tap iface? |
| 15:30.30 | jamesc | jelly: I am using debian 8.0 |
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| 15:31.57 | jelly | jamesc: that's the operating system. tun and tap interfaces are virtual, some sort of software service has to create your tap0 to be used. openvpn for example. |
| 15:32.23 | jelly | jamesc: what's your real goal? |
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| 15:32.53 | jamesc | jelly: That all makde sence now. I realise I have to start vde before to get this to work. Thanks a buch |
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| 15:35.11 | jelly | jamesc: that makes sense, and you're welcome |
| 15:35.34 | c0fe_machine | hey jelly how to get the robot here to show the usb install tips? |
| 15:37.03 | jelly | c0fe_machine: try /msg dpkg usb install, first, to verify that's the factoid you're looking for. If you want to show it in the channel, !usb install |
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| 15:38.11 | c0fe_machine | ok thanks jelly i was a bit worried that it was giving a message to use a tool that has now has started to be embedded with viruses |
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| 15:39.44 | cobra-the-joker | that didn't go very well |
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| 15:40.07 | jelly | c0fe_machine: I just downloaded win32diskimager from sourceforge and it's not wrapped in crap at all |
| 15:40.16 | cobra-the-joker | after i chose install or graphical install .... the screen swivls on itself ( uploading photos now ) |
| 15:40.43 | c0fe_machine | jelly: that's what i was saying it was not suggesting using other tools that has viruses embedded |
| 15:40.57 | cobra-the-joker | just install -> http://imgur.com/nCxyOcU ....... graphical install -> http://imgur.com/38zesDq |
| 15:41.01 | jelly | c0fe_machine: what other tools? |
| 15:41.30 | c0fe_machine | YUMI for example |
| 15:41.34 | c0fe_machine | PenDrive |
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| 15:43.19 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: can you please check the pictures |
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| 15:44.44 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: fun! Install Guide tells a way to disable graphics in the installer, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#i386-boot-problems -- >Then you can use the boot parameter fb=false to disable the framebuffer console. |
| 15:45.46 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: will that happen after i install ? |
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| 15:45.52 | cobra-the-joker | i have intel graphics 5500 iris |
| 15:46.08 | cobra-the-joker | i think it should be supported nicely |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: it probably will. You'll have to install updated drivers video-intel from jessie-backports repository, and probably an updated kernel from there, too |
| 15:47.14 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: HD5500 is too new |
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| 15:54.01 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: sound problematic , don't you think installing a new kernel will comprimise stability of the whole system ? |
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| 15:54.58 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: well... maybe you prefer pixelated garbage to some potential instability. |
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| 15:57.45 | unborn | jelly, I love your sense of humour here :) |
| 15:57.49 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: you've got point lol |
| 15:58.06 | Captain_Sifff | For the record pam_unix2-2.9.1 is not so easily compilable for jessie. It's missing the library libowcrypt.... I guess I will stick to 2.6 then.... |
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| 15:59.22 | jelly | is that something separate from libowfat |
| 15:59.25 | jelly | probably is |
| 16:01.18 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: getting libowcrypt and updated pam-unix2 might be a nice project for a new package maintainer |
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| 16:01.47 | Captain_Sifff | There goes my weekend.... |
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| 16:11.07 | jelly | nope, no relation, web search suggests libowcrypt is SUSE-specific |
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| 16:22.01 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: since you're already using pam_unix2 from wheezy in other places, you might try see that exact package still works transplanted to jessie |
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| 16:23.12 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: fb=false didnt do a thing , to graphical / non-graphical |
| 16:23.16 | Captain_Sifff | Thanks! I tried the one from Ubuntu and it works pretty flawlessly! |
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| 16:25.19 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: it's posible you also need to add vga=normal |
| 16:25.51 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: (from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en) |
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| 16:30.56 | OS-16786 | ping admin |
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| 16:33.26 | avgoor | Does someone know how to resolve config-files conflicts automatically during 'apt-get upgrade'? `-y` just ignores them and makes nothing usefull... |
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| 16:35.06 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: didn't work as well , do you think i should something else with a newer kernel ? |
| 16:35.34 | jelly | avgoor: how do you want them resolved? Ask the bot about: /msg dpkg confnew, /msg dpkg confold |
| 16:36.01 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: the screen still scrambled? Make sure you use the text install, not graphical |
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| 16:36.48 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: yes , always trying install not graphical install |
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| 16:37.51 | avgoor | jelly, thank you! confold fits good |
| 16:37.52 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: no idea then, ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, that's the installer people channel |
| 16:38.04 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 16:38.23 | cobra-the-joker | jelly: sorry can you send me the two pictures i posted , i lost the links |
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| 16:38.58 | jelly | cobra-the-joker: http://imgur.com/nCxyOcU http://imgur.com/38zesDq |
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| 16:39.10 | cobra-the-joker | thank you so much |
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| 16:52.48 | `ryban | hi :) |
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| 17:33.00 | RLa | my server exploded |
| 17:33.15 | koollman | that's unusual |
| 17:33.40 | RoyK | RLa: is IS around? |
| 17:33.51 | RLa | and i'm restoring it, i have backed-up /etc but does it contain the list of installed packages? |
| 17:34.08 | RLa | RoyK, just some issues with payments to hosting |
| 17:34.25 | RoyK | that's somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 17:34.29 | RLa | damn |
| 17:34.36 | RLa | i have no /var backed up |
| 17:34.52 | RoyK | well, hope no data was lost |
| 17:35.35 | RLa | mysql database was backed up separatedly |
| 17:35.41 | RLa | data is ok |
| 17:35.56 | RLa | but i also need to restore mail setup |
| 17:35.58 | Iridos | probably not too helpful... but by policy, each package has to have a directory in /usr/share/doc |
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| 17:36.15 | RLa | no /usr backed up |
| 17:36.31 | RoyK | Iridos: /usr/share/doc is irrelevant - no variable data there |
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| 17:37.03 | RLa | anyway, i should first copy /etc to new machine and then install packages? |
| 17:37.08 | Iridos | RoyK, you can recover the whole statusfile from /usr/share/doc |
| 17:37.12 | RLa | it was a web server with nginx |
| 17:37.36 | RoyK | RLa: I'd just setup a new one and add new packages as you see them needed and then manually copy the config from the backup |
| 17:37.40 | RoyK | safer that way |
| 17:37.48 | RLa | hm, ok |
| 17:38.02 | RLa | nginx is fairly easy to configure for me but mail setup is not |
| 17:38.12 | RoyK | RLa: what sort of mail setup? |
| 17:38.17 | RLa | fortunately it had no webmail setup |
| 17:38.26 | RLa | RoyK, multiple domains |
| 17:38.35 | RLa | postfix |
| 17:38.42 | RoyK | postfix isn't too hard |
| 17:38.46 | RLa | imap access |
| 17:38.48 | RoyK | what about mail storage? |
| 17:38.52 | RLa | spool storage |
| 17:38.52 | RoyK | did you backup that? |
| 17:38.56 | RLa | nope |
| 17:39.02 | RLa | it went into gmail |
| 17:39.12 | RLa | maintaining webmail is too hard |
| 17:39.17 | RLa | so it was not set up |
| 17:39.24 | RoyK | spool is short-lived, so probably not much lost there |
| 17:39.46 | RoyK | just setup postfix again - not a big deal |
| 17:39.54 | RLa | oh ok |
| 17:40.11 | RLa | maybe i should invest into better backup solutions |
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| 17:40.23 | RLa | currently it's bash script running in my basement |
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| 17:40.31 | RLa | because i do not trust anything else |
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| 17:40.43 | julius__ | hi |
| 17:41.06 | julius__ | ive got syntax on in /etc/vimrc but i have to set it into ~/.vimrc to have effect for my user...why? |
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| 17:41.50 | koollman | RLa: you should at least trust rsync. Ideally something building upon it, or a good backup tool. And backup everything or almost everything. data storage is cheaper than data loss |
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| 17:42.57 | RLa | koollman, i'm using rsync, but selectively |
| 17:43.20 | RLa | reliable data storage is not that cheap, neither is bandwidth |
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| 17:43.36 | RLa | i'm also not sure what happens when i would try to rsync / |
| 17:44.01 | RLa | exclude/include patterns could get too complex and unreliable |
| 17:44.14 | koollman | RLa: you can use -x (aka --one-file-system) to avoid complications |
| 17:44.22 | koollman | then one rsync per mountpoint |
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| 17:45.14 | koollman | and you do not need ultra-reliable data storage for backups. merely 'reliable enough'. or twice as much unreliable storage :) |
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| 17:50.11 | RLa | i have had a backup machine hdd crashed |
| 17:51.17 | koollman | RLa: sure. but it rarely happens at the same time as the backuped server. (of course you should be careful of that. different network, locations and so on) |
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| 18:11.59 | Neffi | So I noticed that the live boot images from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/ don't support EFI boot. Is there a reason for this, or just oversight? |
| 18:12.40 | calher-deb | Hi. Um... I just installed my system and somehow can't manage to type my root password so that I may log in as root. |
| 18:13.12 | mtn | calher-deb: at a command line? |
| 18:13.25 | greycat | calher-deb: are you trying to login directly as root in a GUI, or are you using "su" in a terminal, or something else? |
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| 18:13.47 | greycat | Some GUI login thingies might block it, maybe? I dunno. |
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| 18:14.51 | cal-deb | I went to a TTY, greycat. |
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| 18:15.03 | greycat | That was going to be my next suggestion. Is it working now? |
| 18:15.16 | mtn | cal-deb: is that you just can't see your password or does it fail? |
| 18:15.38 | cal-deb | I first tried `su', but I thought I might not have the permission to su, so I went to a TTY and tried to rule out the possibility of permissions or weird restrictions on GUI. |
| 18:15.51 | cal-deb | mtn: I keep typing my password and it fails. |
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| 18:16.02 | greycat | !i forgot root's password |
| 18:16.02 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 18:16.25 | cal-deb | Note: I'm used to typing on a British Dvorak keyboard; my computer is set to US QWERTY; my computer's language is set to Russian. |
| 18:16.47 | cal-deb | So, I could be making errors while typing. Maybe. |
| 18:17.03 | mtn | cal-deb: sounds like it ;) |
| 18:17.04 | greycat | If you type the password at the login prompt, so you can see it, does it look like what you expect? |
| 18:17.15 | cal-deb | dpkg: /boot is encrypted. |
| 18:17.15 | dpkg | cal-deb: okay |
| 18:17.21 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:17.34 | greycat | dpkg, forget /boot |
| 18:17.35 | dpkg | i forgot /boot, greycat |
| 18:17.40 | cal-deb | Do I just get GRUB so that it can read my disk and then do the commands? |
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| 18:19.28 | cal-deb | This mounting and remounting looks kind of scary, considering that my disks are encrypted. How does this all work? Will it still work? |
| 18:19.46 | greycat | I have No Fucking Clue how encrypted disks/partitions work. Never used it. |
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| 18:21.06 | cal-deb | I hate having a Libreboot X60s somoetimes. |
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| 18:21.45 | cal-deb | OK, I'll go ask francis7 if this will work. |
| 18:22.06 | frostschutz | LUKS supports up to 8 passwords; if you use different keyboard layouts, you could add a variant of your password for each layout, so the key sequence will be accepted regardless which keyboard layout you're currently in |
| 18:22.10 | greycat | I'd also investigate whether the keyboard is producing the characters you think it is, in a Linux text console. |
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| 18:26.21 | cal-deb | When I type 'root' at login prompt, the positions match Dvorak. Hm... |
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| 18:32.07 | altin | hi there, does anyone know any alternative to xinput command ? |
| 18:32.27 | altin | let's say I want to disable a USB port |
| 18:32.37 | altin | or more specifically I want to disable my USB keyboard |
| 18:32.41 | altin | how do I do that ? |
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| 18:36.44 | trysten | ok i'm using fusermount. every time i mount a folder, it changes the owner and group to root. however, root is denied access to the folder! only the user that did the mounting can accesses, even though stat says it is owned by root |
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| 18:38.02 | greycat | altin: ... unplug it? |
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| 18:39.10 | altin | I need to have it plugged in greycat :) |
| 18:39.25 | altin | I want to control it via my code on python... |
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| 18:39.32 | altin | directly in it's port |
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| 18:44.39 | cal-deb | OK, hoping this works. |
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| 19:02.47 | cal-deb | greycat: I added init=/bin/sh to the end of my GRUB boot sequence. I couldn't find a 'save' option, only C-x or F10 (for booting the sequence). I booted it and I'm just in the regular system now. |
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| 19:03.36 | greycat | after editing a grub command I believe you press 'b' to boot, or something like that. it's been a while. |
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| 19:04.19 | cal-deb | greycat: That would not make sense, because that would just insert a b into the editing buffer. |
| 19:04.40 | greycat | After you've pressed Enter or whatever. |
| 19:04.53 | greycat | It's not like I have a grub menu sitting in front of me. |
| 19:04.56 | cal-deb | Pressing enter would just put a newline in the editing buffer. |
| 19:05.26 | cal-deb | There were only two ways to exit the editing buffer: scrap changes or boot the changes. |
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| 19:06.01 | stvn | im trying to install grub/grub2(unsure the difference) but debian seems to lack the grub(2)-install bin? |
| 19:06.16 | cal-deb | God, do I really have to reinstall? It takes forever to encrypt boot. |
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| 19:07.09 | jelly | cal-deb: boot a live image of some sort, bring luks up manually, then bring up partitions/lvm, mount your root, chroot into it and set a new password |
| 19:07.35 | mtn | stvn: just use grub-install |
| 19:07.45 | stvn | mtn, i dont have it |
| 19:07.58 | jelly | cal-deb: "lsblk" and "blkid" will help identify the crypto backend device |
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| 19:08.06 | mtn | stvn: sure grub is installed? |
| 19:08.10 | stvn | https://paste.debian.net/299399/ |
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| 19:08.31 | cal-deb | jelly: IDK how to do all this manual stuff. |
| 19:08.37 | jelly | stvn: /usr/sbin/grub-install |
| 19:08.53 | stvn | bash: ./usr/sbin/grub-install: No such file or directory |
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| 19:09.06 | greycat | stvn: did you type a . at the front? don't. |
| 19:09.21 | stvn | oh! |
| 19:09.31 | stvn | great thanks |
| 19:09.31 | cal-deb | I wish I could just script my install and reinstall. Much easier. |
| 19:09.33 | jelly | cal-deb: some learning may be required. I strongly suggest learning how to manually access your encrypted disks, if you plan to continue using them |
| 19:09.51 | cal-deb | jelly: I just use nautilus to mount them. |
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| 19:10.02 | jelly | cal-deb: uoch |
| 19:10.04 | jelly | ouch |
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| 19:11.16 | jelly | cal-deb: learn the linux command line. Read the cryptsetup faq. Otherwise, the next time something breaks you'll have to reinstall again |
| 19:11.28 | cal-deb | jelly: It's easy with nautilus. no weird command syntax like luks.Open or some dreck |
| 19:11.43 | cal-deb | luks --open, dammit! |
| 19:11.58 | cal-deb | make it luks --open! That's consistent! This isn't Ruby... |
| 19:12.16 | jelly | cal-deb: reinstall, then. |
| 19:12.17 | cal-deb | (Don't use frickin' Ruby syntax for a shell command.) |
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| 19:13.20 | jelly | cal-deb: please stick to tech support issues in this channel, keep the frustrated comments to a minimum for the benefit of other users |
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| 19:24.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788303 in systemd (open): «systemd: Hangs indefinitely on >90% of reboot attempts»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-06-10; last modified: 2015-08-12. |
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| 19:37.15 | jelly | suddenly the choice to keep sysvinit in our jessie vm template and guests seems fortuitous rather than just "can't be arsed to learn all the new stuff right now" |
| 19:37.23 | akp | hello. i just downloaded the debian 8.1 amd64 dvd1 iso file. when i boot it it says failed to load ldlinux.c32 |
| 19:37.35 | akp | the checksums are good, and i downloaded the image again |
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| 19:37.40 | akp | any suggestions |
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| 19:39.48 | giuseppe_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.17 | RLa | some Xorg app |
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| 19:40.40 | greycat | imagemagick has "display" |
| 19:40.41 | RLa | possibly drags whole imagemagick as dependency tho |
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| 19:40.50 | RLa | "lightweight" |
| 19:41.00 | r6ku | gpicview? |
| 19:41.05 | vamps | giuseppe_: sxiv ? |
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| 19:41.56 | jelly | sxiv seems reasonable |
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| 19:42.14 | jelly | (looking at just its and libimlib2's deps) |
| 19:42.23 | at0m|c | feh |
| 19:43.10 | jelly | "sxiv is an alternative to feh and qiv. Its only dependency besides xlib is imlib2." |
| 19:43.20 | greycat | (and libgif4 apparently) |
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| 19:44.01 | at0m|c | sxiv even less depends than feh |
| 19:44.09 | jelly | feh does http://! So bloated! :-) |
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| 19:45.14 | at0m|c | ah hence the libcurl depend |
| 19:45.25 | jelly | was going to suggest "gliv" but it requires a well behaved opengl setup |
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| 19:47.11 | Stummi | theres also "meh" but thats not in the repositories |
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| 19:55.35 | daarksim | Hi |
| 19:55.38 | RoyK | ho |
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| 19:56.52 | daarksim | Sorry but my first time on this irc is for a problem |
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| 19:57.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | it happens. |
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| 19:57.24 | daarksim | Not in debian normaly :p |
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| 19:59.04 | daarksim | In fact I configue apache correctly in my debian, and after restarting my debian, all my vhost is already here but does not work when I come to the adress is does not work :s |
| 19:59.15 | daarksim | does someone has already this problem ? |
| 19:59.42 | daarksim | (with my old debian server's version with the same apache version It's works) |
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| 20:00.40 | greycat | daarksim: is this after an upgrade to Apache 2.4? |
| 20:01.01 | daarksim | No just after restarting the webserver |
| 20:01.25 | greycat | *shrug* look for errors in /var/log/apache2/* or wherever you configured it to write logs |
| 20:01.32 | daarksim | the apache2ctl -S is ok (that's the strangest thing) and there are no error in the log |
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| 20:02.26 | greycat | Which version of Debian, and which version of Apache? |
| 20:03.13 | daarksim | Linux intra-server-rateit 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:04.07 | greycat | Jessie kernel, so most likely apache 2.4... which is what jessie has. Apache 2.4 changed a LOT, including the filename requirements for your sites. |
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| 20:04.42 | greycat | If you had /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/foo.bar.com you have to change it all to foo.bar.com.conf |
| 20:04.57 | daarksim | Already done |
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| 20:05.42 | daarksim | same for the allow changed to required all granted |
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| 20:06.04 | daarksim | I just restart my server, the vhost worked before :s |
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| 20:09.12 | daarksim | VirtualHost configuration: |
| 20:09.12 | daarksim | *:80 is a NameVirtualHost |
| 20:09.12 | daarksim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.12 | daarksim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.12 | daarksim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.46 | daarksim | sorry disconnected |
| 20:09.50 | v0ronwe | daarksim: |
| 20:10.06 | v0ronwe | use /msg dpkg paste |
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| 20:10.17 | daarksim | or http://paste.debian.net/299423/ |
| 20:10.27 | greenman | Hey guys, this seems to be happening frequently, so sorry. I upgraded and everything broke! :D This time, I followed the upgrade path we discussed here and didn't have any package problems, so that's good, but now it won't boot and I get a bunch of error messages, the biggest which is "mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: no such device |
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| 20:10.46 | greenman | however when I use a rescue cd, it not only sees /dev/sda2, but I can see the contents |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | a separate /root file system? that's unusual. |
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| 20:11.36 | greycat | What exactly did you "upgrade"? |
| 20:12.01 | greenman | greycat: sorry, went from wheezy to jessie |
| 20:12.34 | greenman | I think it's talking about / maybe |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | And you were using a standard wheezy kernel, and the upgrade process installed a standard jessie kernel? No funny shenanigans, no encrypted doodads? |
| 20:12.53 | greenman | In fstab, there is /, /var, and swap |
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| 20:13.55 | ryouma | what tools are best for icc monitor color calibration? i notice xcalib kgamma argyll xicc. are they all about the same? |
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| 20:20.29 | greenman | Any idea why an upgrade would cause a system to not be able to find the drives? |
| 20:20.59 | daarksim | sorry I have to go |
| 20:21.03 | RoyK | not at all. |
| 20:21.11 | greycat | usually it's something to do with the initramfs or lack thereof, since the kernel needs that to load driver modules from |
| 20:21.16 | daarksim | thanks for the help if I find the solution I will come back to say it :) |
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| 20:22.23 | greenman | greycat: that sounds like a promising lead. I do see it not loading modules |
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| 20:25.06 | greenman | It's been a looooong time since I've had to do something like this and like you guys know, if you don't use it, you lose it. |
| 20:25.22 | greenman | Can someone walk me through or point to a doc that walks through something like this? |
| 20:25.25 | greenman | "- To fix the issue I have to boot into the old Wheezy kernel (3.2.0-4-amd64) in grub and regenerate the initrd for the Jessie kernel |
| 20:25.28 | greenman | " |
| 20:25.44 | greenman | that sounds like a solution to broken initramfs, right? |
| 20:25.52 | greycat | it does sound promising |
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| 20:35.01 | greycat | greenman: "man update-initramfs" looks fairly simple but I've never done this |
| 20:36.33 | ryouma | greycat: you can also unzip it, fix it, and zip it up again |
| 20:36.45 | greenman | hmm.. I wonder if that's something I could do from the recovery sytem? |
| 20:36.47 | ryouma | (of course, then it will get regenerated without your fixes) |
| 20:36.56 | ryouma | greenman: most likely yes |
| 20:37.46 | ryouma | greenman: to zip it up again do: "cpio -R 0:0 -o -Hnewc | gzip -c >initrd.new.img" |
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| 20:38.32 | ryouma | personally i find the entire initram setup to be atrocious. i don't get why update-initramfs fails to generate the cryptboot stuff. it fails to emit any warning or error message. it just silently breaks. |
| 20:38.41 | ryouma | (in my case) |
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| 20:38.58 | greycat | Jessie does seem to be one of the less stable releases to date. |
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| 20:39.29 | greycat | Lots of packages not quite ready for systemd, systemd preventing reboots, people's initramfses breaking... |
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| 20:40.00 | greenman | ryouma: my question about doing it from the rescue was for the update-initramfs command. unzipping makes sense |
| 20:40.11 | greenman | though I have no idea how I would change it to fix it |
| 20:40.47 | ryouma | greenman: i had to poke around until i figured it out |
| 20:41.06 | ryouma | it's scripts so it's not /totally/ opaque |
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| 20:41.35 | ryouma | but i still didn't figure out why update-initramfs fails to do the right thing |
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| 20:43.10 | greenman | weird, so I booted to the old kernel and it seems to be booting, but I saw some of the old errors about not loding modules |
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| 20:46.07 | greenman | seems like I might need this: |
| 20:46.08 | greenman | If changes are desired after the corresponding linux-image has been installed, the initramfs needs to be regenerated. This is achieved by the command |
| 20:46.11 | greenman | # dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 20:46.14 | greenman | where linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae is the name of the kernel package for which the initramfs regeneration is requested. |
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| 20:46.56 | greycat | worth a try |
| 20:47.47 | greenman | Where do I find the linix-image so I get the right one? |
| 20:47.55 | greycat | ls /boot |
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| 20:49.30 | greenman | so an initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 would be linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64? |
| 20:49.55 | greenman | I believe the dpkg reconfigure command needs the package name |
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| 20:51.44 | greycat | right |
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| 20:55.14 | FemAnon | how do I specify the port with ssh? |
| 20:55.26 | RoyK | FemAnon: -P |
| 20:55.27 | FemAnon | ssh -2 -i /home/user/keyfile root@192.168.10.2 |
| 20:55.35 | FemAnon | RoyK, thanks |
| 20:55.42 | greycat | -p for ssh, -P for scp because God Knows Why |
| 20:55.43 | greenman | interesting, but makes sense. dpkg-reconfigure calls update-initramfs |
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| 20:56.46 | greenman | well that didn't work |
| 20:56.54 | greenman | this is crap |
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| 21:01.49 | greenman | three failed modprobes: vmxnet, pvscsi, and "" whatever that is |
| 21:02.03 | greenman | then does an fsck of /dev/sda2 |
| 21:02.17 | greenman | then it tries to mount /dev/sda2 and failes with no such device |
| 21:02.32 | greenman | then of course other stuff fails and it dumps me to busy box |
| 21:02.45 | greenman | I tried rebuilding initramfs and nothing happened... |
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| 21:03.05 | jhutchins | greenman: What exact command did you use? |
| 21:03.06 | greycat | like, literally nothing happened (no output), or it rebuilt but it still doesn't boot? |
| 21:03.25 | greenman | greycat: the latter |
| 21:03.49 | greenman | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 21:04.06 | greenman | (I believe, no history as I'm in a vmware console) |
| 21:04.10 | greenman | jhutchins: ^ |
| 21:04.22 | jhutchins | greenman: Timestamp on the initramfs hasn't changed? |
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| 21:05.09 | greenman | Um let me check, I'll have to boot in through the old kernel |
| 21:05.10 | jhutchins | greenman: It would make sense for that command to have no output. |
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| 21:05.47 | greenman | jhutchins: it had some output said it was doing things, it ended with a bunch of found images |
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| 21:07.01 | FemAnon | i'm trying to ssh into my router for the first time (first time using ssh actually) and I get this message "Connection closed by 192.168.10.2" (closed by host) ---- could this possibly be because I used a ed25519 key, which ddwrt may not support? |
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| 21:07.27 | greycat | FemAnon: could be. |
| 21:07.28 | jhutchins | FemAnon: Could be. |
| 21:08.02 | greenman | FemAnon: Could Be. |
| 21:08.11 | jhutchins | greenman: Then it did something. I take it you think it failed because it still didn't boot. |
| 21:08.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | FemAnon: could Be. |
| 21:08.43 | greenman | jhutchins: yeah, sorry, I didn't mean the dpkg failed, I mean it didn't solve the problem |
| 21:08.54 | jhutchins | greenman: You do need to rebuild vmwaretools with the new kernel (but to do that you have to get it to boot). |
| 21:09.25 | jhutchins | greenman: Can you get it to boot at all, single-user or rescue mode? |
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| 21:10.01 | greenman | jhutchins: after booting into old kernel I checked and the initrd image is indeed new. |
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| 21:10.35 | greycat | He's able to boot the wheezy kernel. |
| 21:10.35 | greenman | jhutchins: yeah, I can boot into the old kernel |
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| 21:16.46 | jhutchins | greenman: I mean with the new kernel in single-user or rescue mode. |
| 21:17.08 | jhutchins | greenman: My suggestion if you can would be to reinstall vmware tools and see if it boots. |
| 21:17.36 | greenman | I can try rescue mode, I haven't tried that yet. |
| 21:17.36 | jhutchins | greenman: I would also search for known issues with jessie and vmware. |
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| 21:19.53 | greenman | recovery is a no go, I forget how to do single user mode again? |
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| 21:20.41 | giuseppe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.52 | giuseppe_ | how can i check the size of an installed package in debian ? |
| 21:20.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | links2 |
| 21:20.56 | jhutchins | greenman: Ach, stupid systemd. I'd have to look it up, hang on. |
| 21:21.03 | giuseppe_ | or of a specific package in the repo ? |
| 21:21.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | giuseppe_: dpkg -L <packagename> will give you a list of the files. |
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| 21:22.32 | zykotick9 | giuseppe_: "apt-cache show foo" has a line for installed size |
| 21:22.33 | jhutchins | greenman: runlevel1.target, rescue.targe |
| 21:22.35 | jhutchins | t |
| 21:22.51 | jhutchins | greenman: You may need target= |
| 21:23.31 | greenman | I can't just add init=/bin/bash to the end of the linux line? |
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| 21:24.09 | jhutchins | greenman: ah, add systemd.unit=rescue.target |
| 21:24.21 | jhutchins | greenman: Nope, no init on jessie. |
| 21:24.49 | jhutchins | greenman: I don't know for sure it won't work, there is some emulation of init for compatibility. |
| 21:25.01 | greenman | jhutchins: is that for rescue or single user mode? |
| 21:25.12 | greenman | also, where do I put that? |
| 21:25.19 | FemAnon | greycat, jhutchins, greenman, NoImNotNineVolt ---- changing to an RSA key did not help |
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| 21:26.54 | greenman | looks like it ignores the init= |
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| 21:27.04 | jhutchins | greenman: Append to grub boot string. |
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| 21:27.27 | greenman | you mean the linux line? |
| 21:27.43 | jhutchins | greenman: If rescue mode didn't work from the grub menu I'd use runlevel1.target or try single.target |
| 21:27.53 | jhutchins | greenman: runlevel1 may be RH specific. |
| 21:28.02 | FemAnon | what firewall requirements does SSH have? |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins | Although... 1 is the same in Debian, so it should work. |
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| 21:28.33 | jhutchins | FemAnon: Whatever port it is, 22 by default. (You can search /etc/services for standard ports) |
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| 21:29.02 | FemAnon | jhutchins, i mean, if I allow connections out on TCP 22, is that enough? |
| 21:29.11 | FemAnon | to connect to my host |
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| 21:29.55 | jhutchins | FemAnon: Use -v (multiple v possible) to figure out why it's failing. |
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| 21:32.09 | greenman | well single.target doesn't work either |
| 21:32.19 | greenman | (I added it to the end of the linux line) |
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| 21:38.23 | FemAnon | can someone have a look at my short SSH log here and figure out what is wrong? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/c9af5890 |
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| 21:40.14 | greenman | FemAnon: I have to go, but I would check the log on the device you're going in TO |
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| 21:40.51 | FemAnon | greenman, can't really check the DDWRT log without using ssh to get into it first... |
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| 21:42.18 | FemAnon | here is the output with extra verbose http://paste.debian.net/hidden/309a62d4/ |
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| 21:47.07 | th0r | FemAnon: you might check this out....http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2419412/ssh-connection-stop-at-debug1-ssh2-msg-kexinit-sent |
| 21:49.21 | FemAnon | th0r, "the sshd that should be listening on port 2222 to authenticate you is not the one actually listening, another sshd process is. " |
| 21:49.36 | FemAnon | lol does that mean my router has already been pwned? |
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| 21:50.45 | th0r | FemAnon: I think it means there are two ssh instances running with different configs, but whether or not that is pwned I can't tell |
| 21:51.10 | FemAnon | th0r, right. i'm going to swap ports, try again, then determine what is going on |
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| 21:55.20 | mycae | Hi, I'm working on a quilt-3.0 package (not yet in archive). I was under the impression that anything in .gitignore should be skipped by dpkg-buildpackage when making the patch against in-tree changes. However, I get "unrepresentable changes to source" for the entire contents of .git . Where have I gone wrong? I maintain a few git based packages, but this is new to me. |
| 21:55.58 | mycae | my .gitignore contains ".git". |
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| 22:13.16 | FemAnon | ssh is ignoring my option -i to identify the identity/cert files |
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| 22:13.51 | Gm4n | FemAnon: how can you tell? |
| 22:14.44 | FemAnon | Gm4n, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/d6461b48 |
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| 22:15.23 | Gm4n | FemAnon: perhaps you mean ~/.ssh/dd*? |
| 22:15.30 | FemAnon | it is searching for names such as id_rsa , even when i identified the name of the file |
| 22:16.01 | Gm4n | FemAnon: it expects a path, not just a filename |
| 22:16.11 | FemAnon | will try again with full path |
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| 22:19.35 | FemAnon | resolved one issue. new issue: debug1: load_public_identity_files: key .ssh/ddwrt_2_keyfile-cert type ED25519 is not a certificate |
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| 22:20.49 | FemAnon | why is my public key not a certificate :-( |
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| 22:24.31 | BlaDe^ | hi all.. does anyone know an accurate resource for running KVM on Debian? |
| 22:24.37 | BlaDe^ | this wiki entry is inaccurate: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 22:24.48 | BlaDe^ | it lists xml files and thinks about centos that don't exist from the former steps |
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| 22:32.59 | FemAnon | i'm going to throw up. why is ssh so difficult. now I have to learn telnet. |
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| 22:38.46 | civillian | FemAnon: throwing up won't help you fix SSH. A pastebin of the error would be more useful |
| 22:39.27 | FemAnon | civillian, throwing up will make me thinner, which will make me feel more confident. pastebin incoming. |
| 22:39.42 | RoyK | FemAnon: telnet went out of style some years back |
| 22:39.48 | RoyK | FemAnon: ssh is smiple |
| 22:40.00 | RoyK | FemAnon: but you can do more fun with it if you want to |
| 22:41.11 | FemAnon | RoyK, I know telnet is depreciated, which is why I don't want to learn / use it. |
| 22:41.18 | FemAnon | civillian, http://paste.debian.net/plain/299471 |
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| 22:41.48 | Ullarah | Don't speak ill of telnet... D: |
| 22:41.54 | Ullarah | strokes telnets head |
| 22:41.58 | Ullarah | It's okay buddy... |
| 22:42.14 | warsoul | hello |
| 22:42.27 | warsoul | how can i change my resolution on debian 8 |
| 22:42.35 | civillian | FemAnon: so you've generated a public / private keypair? |
| 22:43.04 | FemAnon | civillian, correct, and I have pasted the public key into the authorized key box on my ddwrt router gui |
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| 22:44.31 | civillian | FemAnon: and you're specifying the public key in the path? |
| 22:45.06 | FemAnon | civillian, no, I am specifying the private key and it is automatically finding the public key because I named the public key the same with -cert.pub added |
| 22:46.04 | civillian | FemAnon: key_load_public: No such file or directory |
| 22:46.40 | civillian | FemAnon: how did you generate the keypair? |
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| 22:46.51 | v0r0nwe | warsoul: which x environment? |
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| 22:47.14 | warsoul | v0r0nwe debian 8 |
| 22:47.26 | FemAnon | civillian, ssh-keygen -b 4096 -t RSA -C DDWRT_2RSA -o -f ddwrt_2RSA_keyfile |
| 22:47.35 | v0r0nwe | warsoul: no. |
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| 22:48.08 | v0r0nwe | desktop environment? gnome? kde? lxde? ...? |
| 22:48.13 | warsoul | lxde |
| 22:48.15 | warsoul | sorry |
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| 22:50.58 | civillian | FemAnon: OK which device is 192.168.10.2? |
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| 22:51.09 | FemAnon | civillian, that's my ddwrt router |
| 22:51.31 | FemAnon | i don't know why it says the RSA key is not a cert file. that I don't understand. |
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| 22:53.46 | civillian | FemAnon: on your router, run apt-cache policy openssh-server |
| 22:54.29 | civillian | FemAnon: tell me the installed version number |
| 22:55.16 | FemAnon | civillian, /bin/sh: eval: line 1: apt-cache: not found |
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| 22:58.32 | FemAnon | i ... think my command line is in a chroot |
| 22:58.46 | FemAnon | this is why I need ssh access |
| 22:58.59 | civillian | FemAnon: sounds like that's not debian |
| 22:59.13 | FemAnon | it's not. it's ddwrt. |
| 22:59.31 | civillian | FemAnon: ssh -V |
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| 23:04.29 | n0t | FemAnon: are you sure your key is in the right format? it should be something like 'ssh-rsa AAAALFSAJLDJRANDOMKEYSTUFFHERE' |
| 23:04.50 | n0t | it should be only one character line with no spaces or tabs |
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| 23:06.20 | FemAnon | it is correct, then after the random stuff, there is a comment |
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| 23:12.40 | pycoderf | how do i make systemd create a file in /run with a different gid and uid? already specified in my service config |
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| 23:24.20 | g00se | FemAnon: You DID use dropbearconvert on the private key? |
| 23:24.32 | FemAnon | g00se, no |
| 23:24.59 | g00se | dropbear priv keys are not compatible with openssh ones |
| 23:25.19 | g00se | (hence the need for the aforementioned utility) |
| 23:25.57 | pycoderf | hi all. with nginx is there a way to access a socket owned by someone else? the group is set but not working |
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| 23:29.14 | FemAnon | g00se, how does one get the dropbearconvert utility in debian? |
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| 23:29.52 | FemAnon | g00se, would it be available in the dropbear package? |
| 23:31.15 | FemAnon | yep, it is |
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| 23:31.40 | FemAnon | alright, i need a break. i'm out. i will resolve this later |
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