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| 00:42.58 | honey | hello |
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| 00:44.46 | x86iac | hi honey ... i'm home |
| 00:45.06 | honey | who in this chan uses a honey nick? |
| 00:45.09 | x86iac | smack.. no dinner? |
| 00:45.14 | honey | no |
| 00:45.23 | x86iac | smack.. the kids aren't bathed |
| 00:45.40 | x86iac | smack... yes my email is on ashley madison |
| 00:46.15 | honey | pay me $20? |
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| 00:47.16 | x86iac | you divorcing me? $20 is half of what i have .. please dont' i'll repent |
| 00:47.18 | FemAnon | x86iac, you on the AM list? really? |
| 00:47.27 | honey | oh god you're here too. lol |
| 00:48.16 | x86iac | am supposedly made $M from the 'delete account' option ;) |
| 00:48.19 | FemAnon | honey, everyone is in every channel. there are like 100 people on the whole of freenode, the rest are just bots |
| 00:48.31 | honey | negative on that. |
| 00:48.39 | honey | not the important ppl. |
| 00:48.50 | honey | i only came here to research something. |
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| 00:48.54 | cxd13 | FemAnon: that's nonsense |
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| 00:49.52 | cxd13 | and this is a debian support channel, by the way |
| 00:51.27 | x86iac | cxd13: for being new you sure are bossy |
| 00:51.41 | cxd13 | x86iac: new? hah |
| 00:51.58 | x86iac | i remember when you couldn't even do install or mount by yourself |
| 00:52.01 | cxd13 | been here since at least 2010 |
| 00:53.05 | cxd13 | x86iac: you remember me in the 1990s? because that's the last time i had any trouble with a debian install |
| 00:53.33 | phunyguy | is there any point to having the updates and security entries in sources.list in the testing version? |
| 00:53.54 | x86iac | honey: what are you researching |
| 00:54.21 | x86iac | cxd13: just last week you were having excessive mount problems with some usb drive |
| 00:54.25 | rabbitear | phunyguy: yes |
| 00:54.40 | phunyguy | rabbitear: I would love to know more :) |
| 00:54.57 | cxd13 | x86iac: oh that. it was a hardware issue, turned out to be unrelated to debian |
| 00:55.23 | x86iac | what does the msg mean? you are the only one who has a honey nick |
| 00:55.32 | rabbitear | phunyguy: security updates are patches that are not in the regular repos yet |
| 00:55.33 | honey | negative on that. |
| 00:55.45 | rabbitear | phunyguy: but they will be |
| 00:55.53 | phunyguy | rabbitear: even on sid? |
| 00:55.58 | phunyguy | and testing? |
| 00:55.58 | x86iac | so you were severely off topic then? and now you are bossy about off topic? |
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| 00:56.16 | phunyguy | interesting. I will leave them. I remember this not being the case a year or two ago/. |
| 00:56.37 | x86iac | honey: are you an air traffic controller? only you can be 'honey' .. register it |
| 00:56.54 | honey | negative on that. |
| 00:57.02 | x86iac | roger |
| 00:57.04 | rabbitear | phunyguy: I think the 'security team' is different from each regular 'maintainer', the 'maintainers' don't have to work that fast, and probably don't audit (well they should, but they dont have to) security |
| 00:57.06 | honey | nope. |
| 00:57.27 | honey | and it came from here. |
| 00:57.45 | x86iac | what does 'and it came from here' mean? |
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| 00:59.57 | honey | do your own homework. |
| 00:59.59 | honey | i did. |
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| 01:08.08 | honey | anyhow.. 1600 ppl and not a peep |
| 01:08.19 | maazu | waves at honey |
| 01:08.32 | honey | hi. lol |
| 01:08.37 | honey | ty |
| 01:08.51 | maazu | honey: lo |
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| 01:11.38 | x86iac | gee honey - you gots loads of stalkers |
| 01:11.57 | honey | do i? |
| 01:12.02 | x86iac | being such a conversationalist i can see why |
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| 01:13.06 | honey | ok .. a fucking idiot. |
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| 01:17.42 | x86iac | negatory |
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| 01:19.47 | milk_base | k bai LOL! |
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| 01:23.35 | x86iac | smooch http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-20-at-2.46.22-PM-640x480.png |
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| 01:35.44 | c0fe | anyone know if you can run .net framework on debian? |
| 01:36.15 | svetlana | yes, with mono |
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| 01:40.27 | Halfwit | Can anyone help me with puppy linux? |
| 01:40.48 | c0fe | this is debian |
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| 01:41.08 | svetlana | dpkg: puppy linux |
| 01:41.09 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:41.32 | Halfwit | c0fe: Sorry for the obvious troll, it's just fallout from a conversation I'm having elsewhere. Take care! |
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| 01:42.21 | x86iac | Halfwi.... sorry but that wasn't technically a troll |
| 01:43.52 | Ullarah | letroll |
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| 02:08.07 | idiot12121 | hello |
| 02:08.18 | x86iac | the only good thing about all this trump crap on the news is it pushed out all the kadashian crap on the news |
| 02:10.21 | idiot12121 | I have a question. I have an i3 laptop with 4gb ram and 500 gb hdd. Is that suffecient to make it into a home server? It will most likely just contains shell scripts and other things I feel necessary for education purposes. |
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| 02:11.58 | somiaj | idiot12121: that should be more that sufficent. |
| 02:12.01 | secretpow | Hi, is it just me or is the release notes PDF a bit... mangled? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes.en.pdf |
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| 02:12.33 | somiaj | idiot12121: I'm assuming there will be only a few users accessing the server, most likely it will run smoother and have very low cpu ussage (at least that is my experience) |
| 02:13.19 | idiot12121 | Just one user. I am making it into a home server so I can learn a bit. |
| 02:13.35 | somiaj | secretpow: seems there was a font issue for the headers in the conversion to tex (which I belive is what generated the pdf) |
| 02:13.59 | somiaj | idiot12121: that is way more than enough for learning. |
| 02:14.18 | x86iac | idiot12121: do ps -efw ... rcconf .... chkconfig --list ... and turn off things your don't need (google what shows and test stuff not neede ... :) |
| 02:14.56 | secretpow | So it's not just me. Just wasn't sure if that was my PDF reader having issues. Now... did nobody notice or did nobody bother to fix it? :P |
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| 02:16.16 | somiaj | secretpow: unsure, not sure who would be best to report the bug too. Most likely auto generated and there are tons of things to check, hence bug reports is what finds the errors. |
| 02:16.33 | somiaj | secretpow: but yea looks like the header fonts were messed up in the translation. But the text itself seems fine |
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| 02:17.37 | idiot12121 | One last question. I can just follow the installation guide from the sidebar and it will guide me through all the hoops correct? |
| 02:17.39 | secretpow | I see. Well, as long as the normal text is fine it's not that bad I guess |
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| 02:19.38 | somiaj | secretpow: I would still report a bug if you feel inclined. Though unsure which package you would report it to. You can also send an email to a relevent mailing list |
| 02:19.48 | somiaj | secretpow: I personally use the html version so I would have never noticed that. |
| 02:19.51 | idiot12121 | Thanks for all the information! I hope to learn a lot from this community! |
| 02:20.01 | x86iac | darn even that israeli spy dolphin had an ashley madison account ... i must be a total loser not having one ... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/20/hamas-arrests-israeli-spy-dolphin.html |
| 02:20.14 | somiaj | idiot12121: you can also get a copy of the install guide online as well. The installer should lead you through the process, but use the install guide as the first place to find info. |
| 02:20.41 | somiaj | x86iac: please keep on topic, which is debian support in this channel. |
| 02:20.47 | secretpow | Can I download the HTML version somewhere? Also, which mailing list could be relevant to this? |
| 02:21.09 | somiaj | secretpow: I think there is a 'single page' html version, and just wget or save that single file |
| 02:21.13 | x86iac | somiaj: if that is what you think you are doing ... even more fluff |
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| 02:22.59 | somiaj | secretpow: haha, the first part of the document tells where to report bugs, you report bugs against the release-notes package. bugs.debian.org/release-notes |
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| 02:24.18 | somiaj | secretpow: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes.en.txt -- seems there isn't a single page for the release notes, but there is a text version which looks fine |
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| 02:25.07 | secretpow | Guess that'll do |
| 02:25.29 | secretpow | I was sort of hoping for a PDF/HTML version so I can click the page numbers instead of having to scroll endlessly, but it's not that bad I guess |
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| 02:26.13 | secretpow | But yeah, should've read the document I guess. Gonna report the bug in a bit, haha |
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| 02:26.37 | x86iac | secretpow: htmltopdf |
| 02:27.10 | somiaj | secretpow: I didn't see a nice way to download the html version, but you could download/save each chapter if needed, it woudln't be as easy as a single file though. |
| 02:28.09 | somiaj | secretpow: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-about.en.html#sources -- the document also explains where to get the source, if you wanted to generate the pdf yourself, or generate the full html set of pages. |
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| 02:30.28 | secretpow | Lesson learned, RTFM. :P |
| 02:30.43 | secretpow | I'm probably going to stick with the PDF/txt for now, but I'll report the bug so it's fixed when the next guy comes along |
| 02:30.53 | somiaj | secretpow: the problem with that is which manual, there is no sortage of them. (: |
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| 02:46.28 | idiotisback12121 | so how does one pick a domain name for a home server? |
| 02:47.02 | idiotisback12121 | also if you make something up can you ssh to it? |
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| 02:47.41 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: I would just assign the machine a name, you will have to set up a custom nameserver to actually be able to access the server via a name, I suggest just using the ip |
| 02:48.05 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: you can also change this once you get use to things, so I would just give the machine a hostname but not worry about giving it a fully qulified domain name at this time |
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| 02:51.50 | idiotisback12121 | What is the reason behind partitioning /home, /var, and /tmp ? |
| 02:52.02 | x86iac | somiaj: tell him about /etc/hosts and hostname |
| 02:52.24 | x86iac | idiotisback12121: you are an inquisitive guy |
| 02:52.27 | idiotisback12121 | Well to reword what is the benefit? |
| 02:52.48 | idiotisback12121 | well I am just trying to understand what I am doing and why. |
| 02:53.02 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: the easiest is to put everything in the same partition unless you have a reason to split things up. |
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| 02:54.03 | idiotisback12121 | Well I know its recommended for new users but why would someone ever want seperate partitions? Just for knowledge |
| 02:54.15 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: I personally put /home on a seperate partition so if I have to reinstall, I can keep all my users peronsal data intact. But this requires some idea of how much space you want on each partition. Easiset when learning may be just use a single partition. |
| 02:54.26 | x86iac | use as many partitions as you can ... |
| 02:54.33 | idiotisback12121 | Oh I see. |
| 02:54.39 | idiotisback12121 | Thanks. |
| 02:55.57 | x86iac | partitions are like having lots of tupperware instead of one big bucket ... you don't want one having stuff going bad affecting other things |
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| 02:56.47 | x86iac | especially if you get 'logged' on your server and the logs fill up and affect everything else |
| 02:56.55 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: lots of reasons. Sometimes people want to make / read only, but need to have /home and /var on seperate partitions because software will write to them while the machine is running. Others is to seperate data somewhat to make reinstalling easier. But unless you have a reason I would just use a single partiton. |
| 02:57.23 | x86iac | what? who makes / read only ... oh brother ..... cya this is crazy season |
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| 02:58.34 | idiotisback12121 | Interesting |
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| 03:39.27 | idiotisback12121 | on debian |
| 03:39.39 | idiotisback12121 | wrong chat. |
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| 03:45.55 | idiotisback12121 | how do I check my public ip on a debian home server? When I ran a ifconfig I did not see a public ip. |
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| 03:50.22 | larcom | idiotisback12121: You will not see your public IP in ifconfig. |
| 03:51.27 | larcom | use links2 and go to a what is my ip address site. Or if you have access to your router. Log in and see if you see a WAN IP. |
| 03:52.15 | somiaj | traceroute would also show you what your routes ip is |
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| 03:53.25 | larcom | somiaj: Not sure if that is correct. |
| 03:53.53 | larcom | I just tested that and I got an IP but not mine. I got the ISP servers IP. |
| 03:54.10 | somiaj | larcom: it should show all the ips that it passes though on its way to some destination |
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| 03:54.22 | somiaj | oh but it just might show the interal ip of the router not external. |
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| 03:55.05 | larcom | somiaj: My just shows my router and the next hop is *** |
| 03:55.30 | larcom | somiaj: right. |
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| 03:55.54 | idiotisback12121 | Another question. When I am trying to install the openssh-server package I am getting Media change: please insert disc labeled xxx in the drive xx and press enter. |
| 03:56.23 | larcom | idiotisback12121: How are you installing this? |
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| 03:56.35 | phix | idiotisback12121: I like your nick |
| 03:56.43 | idiotisback12121 | as a root user and running apt-get install openssh-server |
| 03:57.05 | idiotisback12121 | Thanks phix. The name suits me currently. |
| 03:57.38 | phix | idiotisback12121: I don't know you that well but I will take your word for it :) |
| 03:58.09 | idiotisback12121 | Dont worry give me a month a two. I will advance to almost not an idiot. |
| 03:58.30 | phix | Then what would you call yourself? |
| 03:58.31 | somiaj | if you have access to a remote server via ssh, you could do something like ssh user@server "echo \$SSH_CLIENT" |
| 03:59.10 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: you need to configure your sources.list to use internet sources over the cd/dvd (unless that is what you want to use) |
| 03:59.15 | somiaj | !tell idiotisback12121 about jessie sources.list |
| 03:59.24 | somiaj | so use the internet sources, remove the cdrom ones. |
| 03:59.32 | idiotisback12121 | ah ok. |
| 03:59.58 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Are you sure you don't have openssh installed? |
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| 04:01.14 | idiotisback12121 | I do need to configure sources.list and I am believe I do not have it. However, I do not mind checking. Is there a command to check all the packages you have installed? |
| 04:01.26 | idiotisback12121 | I believe* |
| 04:01.39 | larcom | whereis openssh-server |
| 04:01.49 | larcom | or openssh-server -v |
| 04:02.08 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Is this a new install? |
| 04:02.40 | idiotisback12121 | yes larcom |
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| 04:03.10 | idiotisback12121 | I need to write down these commands. I need to memorize them =x |
| 04:03.17 | larcom | idiotisback12121: have you done an apt-get update yet? |
| 04:03.26 | idiotisback12121 | I do not believe so. |
| 04:03.28 | larcom | update/upgrade? |
| 04:03.47 | larcom | idiotisback12121: try doing that and lets see what happens. |
| 04:04.11 | karlpinc | idiotisback12121: aptitude search ~iopenssh-server or just aptitude search ~i |
| 04:04.12 | idiotisback12121 | how would I do that again? |
| 04:04.31 | somiaj | he needs to fix his sources.list and remove the cdrom entry and possibly add internet sources first (unless idiotisback12121 really wants to install from the cd) |
| 04:04.40 | larcom | idiotisback12121: sudo apt-get update |
| 04:04.46 | larcom | idiotisback12121: sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 04:05.29 | idiotisback12121 | ok. Let me finish updating the sources.list |
| 04:05.36 | larcom | somiaj: Well the sources.list should be default if this is a new install. |
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| 04:06.04 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Have you changed anything in the sources.list? |
| 04:06.06 | somiaj | larcom: correct, but it is set up to install from his install cd, which is what apt was asking for when he tried to install openssh-server |
| 04:06.15 | somiaj | so he could either instert the disc, or swithc to internet sources. |
| 04:06.30 | idiotisback12121 | Not yet. It does have cdrom. |
| 04:06.48 | larcom | idiotisback12121: JUST DO THE apt-get update |
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| 04:07.06 | larcom | idiotisback12121: see what happens. If we get the same error we can move on. |
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| 04:08.21 | idiotisback12121 | Same error. |
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| 04:09.11 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Did you install it by CD? |
| 04:09.35 | idiotisback12121 | USB |
| 04:10.47 | somiaj | so you have to insert the usb and mount it, again it is looking for the cd, or just change your sources.list to internet sources using the factoid I had dpkg send you |
| 04:10.50 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: ^^ |
| 04:12.13 | idiotisback12121 | hmm doing that currently. vi is interesting to use. |
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| 04:12.48 | larcom | vi is amazing you mean. |
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| 04:13.22 | idiotisback12121 | I know I have heard great things. However, I am a noob at it currently. |
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| 04:14.17 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: nano is a bit simpler and is installed by default. to learn vim, vim tutor is useful. |
| 04:14.27 | larcom | idiotisback12121: You will get use to it or you can install ( that you can ) vim. Also you should by default be able to use nano. |
| 04:14.44 | larcom | somiaj: o/\0 High Five |
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| 04:16.31 | idiotisback12121 | What is vim tutor? |
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| 04:16.51 | idiotisback12121 | Is it included in the install? |
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| 04:17.22 | somiaj | idiotisback12121: it is either its own package or comes with vim. It is a program that helps teach how to use vim |
| 04:17.37 | idiotisback12121 | I definitely need to do that tonight then. |
| 04:17.51 | FemAnon | how do i use vi? my things are read only and i don't know how to close vi or save |
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| 04:18.08 | idiotisback12121 | http://www.lagmonster.org/docs/vi.html FemAnon |
| 04:18.10 | larcom | idiotisback12121: There are online games to that will show you vi/vim |
| 04:18.14 | idiotisback12121 | I found this useful. |
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| 04:18.31 | idiotisback12121 | Its a little cheat sheet I am currently using until I can do the tutorial. |
| 04:18.34 | somiaj | FemAnon: type :q! (to quit vi and not save, which you can't since it is read only) |
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| 04:18.57 | larcom | idiotisback12121: http://vim-adventures.com/ |
| 04:19.00 | larcom | ;) |
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| 04:19.12 | idiotisback12121 | I love larcom! |
| 04:19.43 | larcom | whoa whoa I just met ya |
| 04:19.48 | larcom | ll |
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| 04:19.57 | larcom | ^o |
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| 04:21.38 | idiotisback12121 | Well. I am definitely now sleeping tonight. |
| 04:22.27 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Maybe... I usally have this moments rriiight before bed. Then I stay up til 5 am. |
| 04:22.57 | larcom | I am like OH I need to do that. Which leads to other things. |
| 04:23.50 | idiotisback12121 | Well, I am a slow learner :( I have to write everything down and read again. That might make it a little longer for me. |
| 04:24.15 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Are you working on your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:24.27 | larcom | idiotisback12121: As long as you learn it. |
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| 04:24.52 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Are you just starting to use Linux? |
| 04:24.58 | idiotisback12121 | Yes. |
| 04:25.47 | larcom | idiotisback12121: You will do fine then. One thing that I did when learning it was never to use a mouse. Try fixing everything with a term. |
| 04:25.54 | idiotisback12121 | I have been fixing computers on the side for a while a now. I have a craigslist business. Now I am interested in learning coding/testing/networking aspects. |
| 04:26.01 | idiotisback12121 | Thats my goal larcom |
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| 04:26.48 | larcom | there were days I did not even see a GUI idiotisback12121 |
| 04:27.18 | larcom | OH learn screen idiotisback12121 . It will help you out in the short and long run. |
| 04:27.34 | idiotisback12121 | learn screen? |
| 04:27.39 | larcom | yuppers |
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| 04:28.53 | idiotisback12121 | added to do list. |
| 04:29.24 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Did you see the matrix where neo saw the typing on the monitor? |
| 04:30.02 | idiotisback12121 | I have seen matrix a while back but honestly I do not remember a lot about the movie. |
| 04:30.05 | larcom | That was screen ( i think ) |
| 04:30.28 | larcom | screen has a lot of cool things you can do. |
| 04:32.03 | larcom | idiotisback12121: I am in a screen seassion now to be exact. I am logged in to a remote computer running my IRC client. So i ssh in to the box and attach to my screen. It's like I never left the window. |
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| 04:33.47 | idiotisback12121 | What is the aptitude update? |
| 04:33.56 | idiotisback12121 | It says to run it after editing sources.list |
| 04:34.01 | larcom | aptitude is like apt |
| 04:34.08 | idiotisback12121 | ok |
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| 04:34.24 | larcom | so: sudo aptitude update |
| 04:35.07 | idiotisback12121 | so that failed miserably. |
| 04:35.12 | larcom | Nice little trick also is to do: aptitude update -y << This will say 'Yes' to what will be updated. |
| 04:35.38 | idiotisback12121 | I got an error for all the urls. |
| 04:35.45 | idiotisback12121 | could not resolve. |
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| 04:36.21 | larcom | idiotisback12121: is it connect to the Internet? |
| 04:36.33 | larcom | Please say yes and you can ping google at least. |
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| 04:37.09 | jmcnaught | larcom: idiotisback12121: "aptitude update -y" is not such a great idea. The reason aptitude asks if you're sure is in case it's proposing doing something crazy. It gives you a chance to check out what changes are being proposed, and decice whether or not to proceed. |
| 04:37.52 | larcom | jmcnaught: Good call. I used a bad example. I would do it to install something. |
| 04:37.57 | larcom | Maybe not updates. |
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| 04:38.07 | idiotisback12121 | I thought I was but apparently not. |
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| 04:38.24 | idiotisback12121 | When I did the set up it was supposed to connected through wlan0 |
| 04:38.25 | larcom | idiotisback12121: OOOOOHHHH YOU |
| 04:38.33 | jmcnaught | i think the same goes for installs, sometimes packages bring a lot more with them than you expect, it's better to get a choice |
| 04:39.15 | larcom | jmcnaught: Understandable. BUT some times I don't care and if the package needs it I will not fight it. |
| 04:40.43 | idiotisback12121 | so guys how would I turn on the wlan0? |
| 04:41.14 | larcom | idiotisback12121: plug the computer up. Wired connection. |
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| 04:41.52 | larcom | Are you able to do that idiotisback12121 ? |
| 04:42.36 | idiotisback12121 | Hmm I do not think I have a choice at this point. I would have to get a package to connect wirelessly? |
| 04:43.52 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: is this for a home server that will only connect to one wifi network ever? |
| 04:43.55 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Well troubleshooting you wifi card could be a whole different issue. I know I had to compile my drivers from source. |
| 04:45.06 | idiotisback12121 | yes jmcnaught |
| 04:45.14 | larcom | idiotisback12121: with it hard wired at least eth0 should get an IP and you will have a connection to the outside world. |
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| 04:45.54 | idiotisback12121 | larcom during setup I was able to connect wifi to download extra packages. |
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| 04:46.23 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: if wired is not an option, you can use the command line instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 04:47.01 | larcom | Try : sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:47.16 | larcom | Then see if wlan0 gets an IP. |
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| 04:48.23 | deadsoul | hi,... I'm creating a poll.... can you guys help me with the question.. and correct any mistakes in it |
| 04:48.35 | deadsoul | the question: "Should GNU tools, core utilities and softwares sources be rewritten in multithreaded structure code, to get the benefits of the CPU cores/threads ?" |
| 04:49.11 | idiotisback12121 | How would I check if wlan0 got an ip |
| 04:50.15 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: the command "ip address" |
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| 04:51.15 | idiotisback12121 | what is noop state? |
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| 04:54.32 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: i don't know. where did you see that? also do you know what kind of wireless card it is? |
| 04:54.48 | larcom | ^ |
| 04:55.40 | knivsta | hi |
| 04:56.49 | idiotisback12121 | so if I can get to the wired connection how do I select it? |
| 04:57.09 | larcom | idiotisback12121: it should auto connect |
| 04:57.52 | larcom | plug the cable in. Wait a few seconds. To check to see if you got an IP address. ifconfig or ip address |
| 04:58.20 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: you configure it with /etc/network/interfaces and use the command "ifup eth0" (if eth0 is the interface's name) to bring it up. There is a man page for ifup, and for interfaces. "man interfaces" |
| 05:01.04 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: if you plan on using ssh to connect to this computer you should give it a static IP on your local network, not a dynamic one from DHCP |
| 05:01.22 | idiotisback12121 | Hmm I did that. |
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| 05:02.33 | idiotisback12121 | It's showing up on my router too. The issue is when I ran the ifup command it said: "ignoring unknown interface" |
| 05:03.11 | larcom | Ah you have to do " ifup eth0 " |
| 05:03.21 | larcom | Or "ifdown eth0" |
| 05:03.49 | larcom | For wifi "ifup wlan0" |
| 05:04.10 | telmac | not really a debian question but maybe to do with how debian packages a certain program |
| 05:04.15 | telmac | I have a document which builds without error with latex and pdflatex but latex2rtf gives an error for a package I'm using |
| 05:05.32 | larcom | telmac: The error is....? |
| 05:05.40 | idiotisback12121 | I ran dhclient eth0 and it was able to connect with wired connection. |
| 05:06.09 | idiotisback12121 | somiaj: if you are still here the sources.list file urls are still giving me an error. |
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| 05:07.49 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Are you on Jessie ( version ) |
| 05:07.56 | telmac | Package/option 'mla' unknown. |
| 05:07.57 | telmac | test.tex:4 Unknown environment \begin{mla} ... \end{mla} |
| 05:08.46 | idiotisback12121 | yes larcom |
| 05:08.47 | telmac | perhaps it doesn't use the same files for packages as the rest of my latex installation? |
| 05:08.48 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: can you install pastebinit and you it to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/network/interfaces files? |
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| 05:14.08 | larcom | telmac: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/37808/problem-with-latex2rtf-unknown-commands-how-to-solve-it |
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| 05:15.45 | idiotisback12121 | jmcnaught: I am unable to find the package pastebinit and I am conntected to the internet through a wired connection. |
| 05:16.04 | idiotisback12121 | I only have three lines in my sources.list |
| 05:16.10 | larcom | jmcnaught: his source.list is an issue. |
| 05:16.20 | idiotisback12121 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:16.58 | idiotisback12121 | thats what dpkg sent me. |
| 05:17.00 | larcom | Only have the deb http lines |
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| 05:17.34 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list_for_Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
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| 05:17.55 | larcom | remove everything but the ones that are like : deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 05:17.59 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: that link is maybe an easier to read format. make your sources.list look like that example |
| 05:18.43 | deb_go | hello, i'm using Debian squezee |
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| 05:21.13 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: once you double check that your sources.list looks like that example, save it and run the command "apt update" |
| 05:21.43 | larcom | idiotisback12121: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#A.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fsources.list |
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| 05:22.10 | larcom | View the example source.list that should be what you need in there. |
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| 05:25.04 | jmcnaught | larcom: ha you linked to the same page as me, but instead of the example specific to jessie, you linked to the part about the generic syntax for that file |
| 05:25.12 | shay_shay | hi |
| 05:25.57 | larcom | jmcnaught: ah |
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| 05:26.16 | larcom | OH nO No there is an example for Jessie more down the page. |
| 05:26.44 | larcom | Example sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" |
| 05:26.52 | jmcnaught | larcom: that's what i linked to |
| 05:27.03 | larcom | gotcha |
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| 05:28.13 | idiotisback12121 | Ok I found the stupid mistake :( |
| 05:28.31 | idiotisback12121 | It's fixed and apt update was successful. |
| 05:28.32 | larcom | It was not pluged in and on was it.. lol |
| 05:28.51 | shay_shay | did you try turning it off and back on again? |
| 05:29.05 | idiotisback12121 | I added an "e" after httpredir" |
| 05:29.08 | idiotisback12121 | =x |
| 05:29.35 | idiotisback12121 | Now onto setting up wifi |
| 05:30.21 | larcom | idiotisback12121: are you working on a linux box now? |
| 05:31.16 | idiotisback12121 | This irc is on another desktop. I am setting up a homeserver on another laptop |
| 05:31.25 | shay_shay | eeee |
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| 05:31.44 | larcom | idiotisback12121: is the computer you are running on. Is it using linux? |
| 05:31.53 | idiotisback12121 | No. |
| 05:32.06 | larcom | GTFO KIdding |
| 05:32.26 | idiotisback12121 | Well I did say I was new to linux =( |
| 05:32.36 | larcom | I was going to say if it was... now would be the time to install screen. |
| 05:32.40 | ceth | hio |
| 05:33.02 | idiotisback12121 | well |
| 05:33.16 | larcom | It's okay idiotisback12121 |
| 05:33.23 | idiotisback12121 | can i connect to that debian using putty? |
| 05:33.42 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: you can install pastebinit now, and use it to show us any error messages you're getting. yes, you should be able to ssh in with putty |
| 05:33.43 | larcom | Oh Yeah and in debian install a screen. |
| 05:34.40 | larcom | idiotisback12121: ALSO don't allow anyone to login to your box. That you don't Trust. Even nice guys like us. |
| 05:34.54 | shay_shay | especially guys like us |
| 05:35.17 | larcom | Reason I am bring up screen is to help you. |
| 05:36.17 | shay_shay | dont even give them access if they warn you about giving others access |
| 05:37.10 | larcom | For example if you start a screen seassion on the linux box and exit putty. Next time you ssh to the linux box you just have to enter screen -x ( look more in to the options ) and that will attach you to the same thing you were doing before you exit putty. |
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| 05:37.41 | larcom | shay_shay: i see what you did there. BUT idiotisback12121 yeah don't give access to anyone. |
| 05:37.47 | jmcnaught | screen -DR is where it's at |
| 05:38.12 | larcom | J-man knows whats up |
| 05:38.19 | WormFood | how are the good guys supposed to help him, if he doesn't give access to anyone? :P |
| 05:38.24 | idiotisback12121 | I got screen on there. |
| 05:39.00 | larcom | idiotisback12121: on linux enter screen then hit enter. |
| 05:39.17 | WormFood | I suggest "screen -RD" |
| 05:39.17 | larcom | idiotisback12121: you will see a page. just hit any key. |
| 05:39.44 | larcom | idiotisback12121: on putty type: screen -x then hit enter. |
| 05:39.53 | WormFood | or, even better, don't use screen at all. Use tmux :P |
| 05:39.58 | shay_shay | ^ |
| 05:40.44 | idiotisback12121 | connection refused o.o |
| 05:40.56 | idiotisback12121 | I guess I need to tweak some more. |
| 05:41.36 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: system administration is mostly reading documentation |
| 05:41.41 | larcom | idiotisback12121: connect to the eth0 ip. should be something like 192.168.1.XX |
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| 05:42.06 | shay_shay | question about dovecot/Maildir, hopefully someone will know: if i move all the files from cur/ to new/, will it allow clients to download all messages again like i think it will? |
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| 05:42.14 | larcom | idiotisback12121: Yeah a lot of reading ...smoking and reading again. |
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| 05:42.34 | idiotisback12121 | I found the ip larcom. The connection was refused through putty. |
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| 05:42.47 | idiotisback12121 | I am trying to find the causes at the moment. |
| 05:42.55 | larcom | idiotisback12121: using ssh on port 22? |
| 05:42.59 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: are you using imap or pop3? |
| 05:43.00 | WormFood | Is it my imagination, or is getting a Canon laser printer working under Linux/cups a pain in the ass? I've been fighting with this god damn shit for over an hour, and I still haven't gotten it to print a single page. |
| 05:43.10 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: imap |
| 05:43.17 | larcom | OH idiotisback12121 don't ssh as root. You have to use the user you set up. |
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| 05:43.33 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: and the client cannot fetch the messages anymore? |
| 05:43.42 | idiotisback12121 | I am using the user =x |
| 05:44.08 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: = is one of the characters in your username? |
| 05:44.13 | larcom | idiotisback12121: can you ping the linux box? |
| 05:44.16 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm editing a .desktop |
| 05:44.20 | Chocolate_Chip | What does StartupNotify=true mean |
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| 05:44.35 | larcom | OH idiotisback12121 lol did you install openssh-server yet? |
| 05:44.41 | idiotisback12121 | -.- yes |
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| 05:45.01 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: i guess it should be able to, i was just shocked by how i logged in once for a few seconds (accidentally) and then all the messages in new/ were moved to cur/ ... i was intending to reset it to how it was before it was ever logged into... but i guess no real reason to do that |
| 05:45.09 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:45.21 | larcom | idiotisback12121: your user name is =x? |
| 05:45.29 | idiotisback12121 | no |
| 05:45.35 | larcom | hhaha Okay okay |
| 05:46.00 | larcom | but you can ping the linux box? |
| 05:46.23 | idiotisback12121 | Yes. |
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| 05:46.35 | idiotisback12121 | I can ping it but putty is getting connection refused. |
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| 05:48.24 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: sounds normal to me. even though the messages aren't in new anymore they can still be unread |
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| 05:49.34 | larcom | idiotisback12121: You did the update/upgrade? If so go for a reboot. |
| 05:49.49 | larcom | I hate saying it. |
| 05:50.14 | ceth | "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" :D xD |
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| 05:50.25 | larcom | I don't beleive in rebooting too often, but since it's a fresh install it's a good time. |
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| 05:55.12 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: I see |
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| 05:59.02 | FelixFire619 | Hello, i need to make sure i have specificlly OpenSSL 1.0.1g Berkeley DB 5.3.28.NC Boost 1.55.0, miniupnpc 1.9.20140401 installed on my Debian 8 install wanted to see if anyone can recommend a safeway to find out the version if its not the right one completely remove (so i can configure, make and make install) |
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| 06:00.27 | WormFood | Does anyone have a fuckin' clue, why the kernel says "usblp1: removed" when I try to print something? This fuckin' shit is driving me insane! |
| 06:00.36 | jmcnaught | FelixFire619: "apt-cache policy openssl" to see the version you have. replacing an important package like openssl with one that is older and compiled from source is a bad idea. |
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| 06:01.31 | FelixFire619 | jmcnaught, can you recommend how i could have Alt versions installed so doing something like compiling bitcoind will use the version it wants and not a higher or lower version? |
| 06:02.03 | jmcnaught | FelixFire619: do it in a chroot or a container |
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| 06:02.27 | larcom | idiotisback12121: you still with us buddy? |
| 06:02.40 | FelixFire619 | jmcnaught, how would i go about creating a basic chroot that i'd have to build everything from scratch in? (all libs and stuffz) |
| 06:02.49 | idiotisback12121 | yes |
| 06:03.07 | larcom | how are things on your end looking? |
| 06:03.25 | jmcnaught | FelixFire619: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot that should get you started |
| 06:03.50 | idiotisback12121 | My box when it reboots it does not connect using eth0 |
| 06:03.57 | idiotisback12121 | I am trying to figure how to get it to do that. |
| 06:04.10 | rwp | That is too much about schroot and not enough about chroot. Try https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
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| 06:04.39 | larcom | idiotisback12121: does it connect at all? eth0 is your wired connection and wlan0 is your wifi |
| 06:04.50 | idiotisback12121 | I know it connects through eth0 |
| 06:04.54 | idiotisback12121 | not through wlan |
| 06:05.07 | idiotisback12121 | I have to run the command dhclient eth0 everytime it reboots |
| 06:05.34 | idiotisback12121 | I also got putty working. |
| 06:05.49 | larcom | cool so you are able to ssh in to the linux box. |
| 06:05.53 | idiotisback12121 | yes |
| 06:06.02 | larcom | alright !~ |
| 06:06.07 | idiotisback12121 | I need to fix two more issues before I go to sleep |
| 06:06.23 | ceth | idiotisback12121: you should edit your /etc/network/interfaces and setup dhcp there |
| 06:06.32 | ceth | for your eth0 / wlan0 |
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| 06:06.58 | tralala | idiotisback12121, either use NetworkManager or configure your network manually as explained in man interfaces |
| 06:07.11 | idiotisback12121 | I would like to learn manually first. |
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| 06:07.40 | idiotisback12121 | I also have a question. How would I connect to the box when I am not on the local network |
| 06:07.41 | ceth | open the file with the editor of your choice and put lines: |
| 06:07.43 | ceth | auto eth0 |
| 06:07.49 | ceth | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:08.24 | larcom | idiotisback12121: you would have to do a port forward in your router. Or DMZ you linux box ip |
| 06:08.47 | ceth | this should configure your eth0 with dhcp at boot time or if you resetting your interface if ifup and ifdown |
| 06:08.56 | idiotisback12121 | What is the right way? DMZ or port forward |
| 06:09.02 | ceth | s/if/with |
| 06:09.13 | larcom | DMZ is not a good idea. I would sugest port forward. |
| 06:09.22 | aerth | ulimit -n |
| 06:09.24 | idiotisback12121 | ceth thanks. I still need to understand what I am typing in. |
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| 06:09.51 | ceth | idiotisback12121: if you want information about /etc/network/interfaces read here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/ |
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| 06:10.10 | ceth | its described for ubuntu but should be the same on debian |
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| 06:11.01 | larcom | idiotisback12121: if you allow your box to the internet make sure you have a really stong password. And i suggest changing the ssh port to something you will remember and is not taken. |
| 06:11.10 | rwp | Also very good: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_network_configuration_with_ifupdown_legacy |
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| 06:14.29 | idiotisback12121 | 15 characters strong enough? |
| 06:14.43 | DeaDSouL | Please guys, vote to this: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll393090x14A0412D-15 ....... and share it with friends... thanks |
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| 06:16.12 | larcom | idiotisback12121: yea.. maybe. It's not how long it is but how hard it is to crack. example: password vs P@$$w0d |
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| 06:18.08 | shingouz | i seem to recall that the basic rule for a strong password would be: a minimum of 30 characters, uppers, lowers, numericals and specials. and it has to rhyme with grep. :p |
| 06:18.28 | larcom | idiotisback12121: a suggestion on a ssh port I like to use is 443. Cause when the IP gets scanned skiddies see port 22 open and they know what that is. But when they see 443 they will think SSL port. |
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| 06:21.29 | jmcnaught | i run ssh on port 22, and disable password authentication (keys only). also haivng ssh on port 22 on this computer doesn't matter since it's only on the local network. the router could be configured to use a different external port if it's really desired |
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| 06:22.36 | larcom | shit.. yeah sorry. Thats what I meant. I forward 443 to 22 . |
| 06:22.48 | larcom | It's getting late |
| 06:22.59 | jmcnaught | also a really great strategy with passwords is to use a password manager, for example keepassx. That way you only need to memorize a single strong password, and all of your other passwords can be unique random strings that can by copy/pasted |
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| 06:24.00 | jmcnaught | i probably wouldn't put ssh on port 443 myself. ports are standard for a reason, i don't want to have to remember or look up which ports are being used for a machine for which service. |
| 06:24.02 | larcom | True |
| 06:24.05 | idiotisback12121 | is keeppassx stored on a network or locally only? |
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| 06:24.41 | jmcnaught | if break-in attempts are a problem there are tools like fail2ban and sshguard |
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| 06:25.42 | jmcnaught | idiotisback12121: it uses a file stored locally. the file is encrypted so you can sync it between devices. there are a few similar tools that use the same .kdb file format too, so you should be able to use it on any platform |
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| 06:29.07 | idiotisback12121 | hmm ok guys I going to go sleep for the night. |
| 06:29.14 | idiotisback12121 | Thanks a lot for all the help. |
| 06:29.31 | idiotisback12121 | good night |
| 06:29.37 | larcom | idiotisback12121: np |
| 06:29.43 | larcom | have a good nite |
| 06:30.13 | kolaman | hi all, i can't ssh to debian box. It is fresh install and can be sshd from same subnet but not from others . . (there is nothing configured on our firewall to block this) . . |
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| 06:30.23 | kolaman | is ther any security settings which might be creating trouble |
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| 06:31.04 | larcom | holly shit deja vu |
| 06:31.12 | jmcnaught | kolaman: what error message do you get? |
| 06:31.57 | kolaman | nothing but while doing telnet on port 22 connection timesout |
| 06:32.31 | idiotisback12121 | check if its connected to internet. |
| 06:32.41 | idiotisback12121 | I had the same issue a while ago. |
| 06:32.47 | kolaman | idiotisback12121: yeah it is |
| 06:32.54 | larcom | kolaman: I think it's because of the subnets. |
| 06:33.12 | kolaman | it has two interfaces, i can access wlan from same subnet and ethernet from same subnet VIA ssh but can't do vice versa |
| 06:33.28 | kolaman | larcom: actually i have not blocked anything on firewall level |
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| 06:34.46 | larcom | kolaman: Not sure i understand your last statment. |
| 06:35.13 | larcom | wlan is on subnet A and eth0 is on subnet b? |
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| 06:38.20 | kolaman | larcom: yep |
| 06:38.45 | kolaman | both are on different subnets and accessible VIA ssh from same subnet but not from other . . |
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| 06:38.49 | larcom | kolaman: If wlan is on say 192.168.1.X and eth0 is on 192.168.2.X you should not be able to see them. They are on two different networks |
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| 06:39.28 | kolaman | larcom: our firewall is doing the routing and i can access all machines form my WLAN on other subnet . . |
| 06:40.03 | kolaman | this is the only one whcih is creating the trouble |
| 06:40.04 | larcom | for example; it's like your neighbor hood block. Your block is say in the 300 range, but two blocks down it's in the 500 range. |
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| 06:45.54 | shay_shay | nice analogy |
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| 06:47.22 | larcom | shay_shay: thanks |
| 06:48.13 | jmcnaught | kolaman: can you access any other services besides ssh? have you tried a traceroute? |
| 06:48.42 | larcom | or even a ping. |
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| 07:43.15 | sangi | can we configure unattended-upgrades to also get regular updates from debian |
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| 07:44.34 | sangi | what configurations should be changed to get regular updates |
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| 08:20.56 | turlutton | Hi there. I wanted to add the non-free firmeware to the corresponding directory on my usb stick i just burn with dd to install debian 8. But it's read only, i have no permission on it, even with root ... ? Any help ? |
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| 08:21.52 | FemAnon | hmm... i have an issue here. sometimes, my wlan interface is wlan0, sometimes it is wlan80, sometimes it is something else... how can I determine, within a script, which it is? need to for my macchanger and iptables scripts |
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| 08:24.06 | talby | Would the following command serve to make a backup of my Debian(testing) installation, in order to maybe roll back to it if "aptitude upgrade" would leave me with a broken system? Anything missing or wrong in my command? |
| 08:24.06 | talby | rsync -naAXHSx --info=progress2 --delete --exclude={"/home/*","/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} /* /mnt/backup/MyFolderOfToday |
| 08:25.05 | fireba11 | talby: you might want to consider using a LVM andmaking a snapshot next time :-D |
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| 08:28.15 | talby | fireba11: Which HOWTO (for an advanced LINUX (Debian) beginner) is recommended for learning about setting up and using LVM, and working with LVM snapshot? |
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| 08:33.00 | shay_shay | talby: or btrfs snapshot |
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| 08:36.02 | fireba11 | shay_shay: i'd be careful about using btrfs in production though .. |
| 08:37.55 | fireba11 | talby: hm ... https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm |
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| 08:46.36 | shibly | Hi |
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| 08:47.37 | openbar | hello, I have an issue with systemd/cryptsetup... I described the problem here (http://pastebin.com/kJwJiM9n), maybe you could help me :) Thanks! |
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| 08:49.29 | shibly | openbar: Use this: http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 08:49.53 | openbar | ok shibly |
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| 08:54.01 | p3rror | hello |
| 08:54.12 | shibly | hello |
| 08:54.35 | p3rror | I used a command find like this => find /appli/middleware/logs -name "*.log.gz" -type f -mtime +10 |
| 08:54.58 | p3rror | and I need that find will not check subdirectories |
| 08:55.38 | gerforce | using option --maxdepth |
| 08:56.01 | SynrG | one dash |
| 08:56.07 | c0m0 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 08:56.51 | p3rror | gerforce, we can not use maxdepth with name |
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| 08:58.31 | gerforce | why? |
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| 08:59.04 | SynrG | p3rror: your arguments are backwards. |
| 08:59.13 | SynrG | $ find test -maxdepth 1 -name test3 |
| 08:59.13 | SynrG | test/test3 |
| 08:59.23 | SynrG | *not* find test -name test3 -maxdepth 1 |
| 08:59.31 | p3rror | ah I see OK |
| 09:00.17 | SynrG | and the error message should've been fairly clear about this |
| 09:00.20 | gerforce | that's right .put -maxdepth in the right place will make things a lot easier |
| 09:01.03 | talby | fireba11, THANKS a lot. I am going to study it, looks nice! |
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| 09:06.08 | shay_shay | shibly: lol, okay. I wouldn't :) |
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| 09:07.37 | shibly | shay_shay: What? |
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| 09:27.08 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to unmount the root filesystem? |
| 09:27.38 | JyZyXEL | like if you drop down to some minimal mode where nothing needs the root filesystem anymore? |
| 09:28.59 | katyucha | JyZyXEL: I don't think so. You can make a remount to force rw option for exemple.. but umount... |
| 09:29.07 | katyucha | with a boot cd or usb key yeah |
| 09:29.16 | katyucha | but another minimal system is required |
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| 09:30.29 | Wisnu_Garut | Salam Pramuka! |
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| 09:32.26 | p3rror | Wisnu_Garut, salam |
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| 09:33.00 | p3rror | please how to print run-parts cron content |
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| 10:07.37 | placko | I have an archive 'Collection.daa'. 'file Collection.daa' report that it is : PowerISO Direct-Access-Archive. How do I extract .daa archive? |
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| 10:43.01 | Huan_ | how do i modify my routing table? |
| 10:43.21 | Huan_ | preferably with something like nano |
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| 10:48.02 | ChrisH | Huan_: explain more details what you want to do. |
| 10:48.36 | TJ- | Huan_: using the "ip route" tool - see "man ip-route" |
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| 10:53.00 | DoctorD90 | guus, following guides to create a customized iso, i have find that i have use efiboot.img....do you know in which package it exists? |
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| 10:56.53 | darxmurf | re |
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| 11:02.37 | tavish | hi, which package contains debian's default dhcp client? |
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| 11:03.32 | tavish | also, which contains udev rules? (i have a debian rootfs built with debootstrap for armhf) |
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| 11:11.08 | FestiveWoman | does everyone re-compile things from source every time they find a new release, or is there a guide somewhere on making scripts to wget and compile openssh-*-x86_64.tar.gz automatically whenever an update is released, for example? |
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| 11:11.44 | jelly | FestiveWoman: what does "find a new release" mean |
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| 11:12.52 | FestiveWoman | i mean, you're browsing openvpn.net or openssl.org, and you realize that last week a new stable release came out after some security flaw was identified - or you read about some new release in a mailing list |
| 11:13.10 | FestiveWoman | i just want to automate this process - not all the vital packages I use have a .deb |
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| 11:14.15 | FestiveWoman | check for new files, wget, gpg --verify, make && make install, etc |
| 11:14.18 | tavish | okay so default dhcp client is pump(dhcp-client is not present) |
| 11:14.28 | jelly | FestiveWoman: https://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch |
| 11:15.15 | jelly | FestiveWoman: assuming your goal is to make deb sources for those that are missing |
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| 11:15.40 | tavish | udel rules are also present, but an ASIX ethernet adapter comes up as /sys/class/net/enx00142d285c0e |
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| 11:16.35 | tavish | any ideas as to why? |
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| 12:20.14 | s4ndm4n | This is fourth time in a row I am getting this: Err http://http.debian.net jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages |
| 12:20.20 | s4ndm4n | What is happening? |
| 12:21.07 | jelly | s4ndm4n: there should be a more detailed line in the output that says more than just "Err " |
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| 12:21.50 | Guest2290 | I have a memory question, when I run free -m I see that I have 100MB/2048MB free, however there are 1700MB Swap |
| 12:22.01 | markybob | s4ndm4n, i assume this is for jessie? dpaste your sources |
| 12:22.03 | Guest2290 | Is this an issue? |
| 12:22.23 | markybob | Guest2290, no |
| 12:22.50 | Guest2290 | Then how can I know if the system is running low on mem? |
| 12:23.53 | markybob | Guest2290, cat /proc/meminfo is probably your best bet |
| 12:24.11 | s4ndm4n | markybob: I think that the sources are okay but here it is: https://paste.debian.net/300093/ |
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| 12:25.07 | TJ- | Guest2290: have you seen http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 12:25.16 | markybob | s4ndm4n, okay. not paste the entire error |
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| 12:26.15 | markybob | s4ndm4n, s/not/now/g |
| 12:26.23 | s4ndm4n | markybob: Please wait |
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| 12:29.23 | s4ndm4n | markybob: Here https://paste.debian.net/300105/ |
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| 12:32.35 | markybob | s4ndm4n, oh, that's easy. debian.net doesn't have non-free. against policy |
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| 12:35.23 | s4ndm4n | markybob: If that's the case, then this needs an update: https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 12:35.44 | markybob | s4ndm4n, a lot of debian's wikis need updating |
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| 12:36.29 | s4ndm4n | markybob: Since it mentions jessie, I think it was updated recently. BTW true statement. |
| 12:36.47 | TJ8 | Anyone able to help me with something regarding notifications>' |
| 12:36.56 | markybob | !ask |
| 12:36.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:37.44 | markybob | s4ndm4n, it also has a screenshot of debian lenny. 5.0.3 |
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| 12:38.43 | TJ- | markybob: s4ndm4n It does. At least, the mirrors that the redirector uses, do. "http://mirror.vorboss.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz" starts with "Package: firmware-adi" and "Filename: pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/..." |
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| 12:39.25 | s4ndm4n | It updates once in a blue moon for me |
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| 12:39.38 | s4ndm4n | TJ-: ^ |
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| 12:40.10 | markybob | s4ndm4n, why don't you just do you own backporting? it's not hard. |
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| 12:40.31 | TJ- | s4ndm4n: yeah... look in the Packages.diff/ directory, it shows the archive changes |
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| 12:41.03 | s4ndm4n | markybob: I have few packages that are backported. xfce4-power-manager is one of them. |
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| 12:41.34 | TJ8 | So anyone able to help me with the notifications? Everytime my laptop autosuspends after 3 minutes I get a notifaction that says 'power' and it wakes my laptop. How do I stop this? |
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| 12:44.01 | markybob | s4ndm4n, basically: apt-get build-dep package && apt-get source package && cd package && dpkg-buildpackage -b -tc -uc -rfakeroot && sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 12:57.17 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 12:59.56 | at0m|c | TJ8: watch the logs to see what causes that event: dmesg, syslog |
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| 13:01.55 | knivsta | hi |
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| 13:08.27 | glaucom | anny help me |
| 13:08.46 | glaucom | i try load driver RTL8191SE on live DVD |
| 13:08.58 | glaucom | its possible ? no reboot |
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| 13:10.13 | jelly | !rtl8191se |
| 13:10.14 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 13:11.22 | Guest62247 | Hello everybody. I'm constantly getting an error about "low disk space on /tmp" and indeed it is only 360 MB! I don't know how to resize that partition from a Live-CD, Gparted only shows the parent/main partition. Is there another way to accomplish this? |
| 13:11.50 | markybob | on live dvd? no |
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| 13:12.33 | me-1 | hi...can I install Debian lxde on my old pentium 4 512 mb ram laptop |
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| 13:13.03 | jelly | glaucom: you'll have to get firmware onto that system from someplace first. Or maybe use one of unofficial live images with firmware already there |
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| 13:13.08 | jelly | !live firmware |
| 13:13.08 | dpkg | Live images with firmware included can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/ ; ask me about <live> <firmware> <non-free>. |
| 13:13.19 | markybob | me-1, yes |
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| 13:14.21 | jelly | me-1: but with 512MB, don't expect to be able to run a lot of apps beside lxde itself |
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| 13:14.45 | path | hi there! |
| 13:14.56 | path | I intend to adopt a package but Im in doubt |
| 13:15.11 | path | reportbug should be RFA ? |
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| 13:15.51 | glaucom | Jelly, i need download unnoficial iso live cd ? |
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| 13:17.04 | markybob | glaucom, you need to plug it in and then download the firmware. that's the easiest way |
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| 13:17.19 | markybob | glaucom, rj-45 ftw |
| 13:17.42 | knivsta | markybob, did you send me info? |
| 13:17.49 | glaucom | rj45 works ... wifi 8191SE no |
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| 13:18.24 | markybob | so install with rj-45 and then download the firmware, like i said |
| 13:18.43 | Guest62247 | Is there a way to resize the /tmp-partition from within Debian (without a live-session)? The only answers i found basically say exactly that, "use a live-cd"... Or maybe i could tell /tmp to free some space when it's full? |
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| 13:20.18 | markybob | Guest62247, depends entirely on the install procedure. is it a true partition or just the default folder? |
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| 13:20.39 | markybob | Guest62247, if default, no |
| 13:21.41 | Guest62247 | markybob: Well, it should be a default folder :/ |
| 13:21.59 | Guest62247 | I just went with an encrypted, automatically partitioned installation |
| 13:22.04 | themill | Guest62247: what's the output of "df -h" and "mount"? (And what init system are you using?) |
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| 13:23.45 | markybob | just becaust i'm being a dick since themill jumped in.... -h isn't neccesary for this :P |
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| 13:24.37 | themill | I can't be arsed reading that many sig figs |
| 13:24.48 | markybob | :) |
| 13:24.59 | Guest62247 | themill: These are the outputs http://pastebin.com/vr0nQ90v -- I'm running Stretch/Testing with systemd |
| 13:25.05 | jelly | glaucom: if you want that wireless to work, yes, you need something with firmware-realtek |
| 13:25.34 | pecisk | I have old style init.d script installed as part of package on Jessie...I ran it and it says all is fine, however none of things set in script happens. Is there a way how to debug what's happening with init.d script? I am browsing systemctl and systemd info and don't see any hints |
| 13:25.35 | jelly | glaucom: if you have wired access, add non-free sources and install package "firmware-realtek", instead |
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| 13:25.53 | jelly | dpkg, tell glaucom about non-free sources |
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| 13:27.29 | glaucom | http://imgur.com/yPJ7w5U |
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| 13:28.02 | jelly | markybob: booting the image with firmware already on it is easier than having to download and install firmware-realtek on each boot |
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| 13:28.44 | markybob | Guest62247, yeah, you're fucked |
| 13:28.50 | r6ku | does the image with non-free firmware on it install just the necessary firmware or all of it? |
| 13:28.58 | markybob | Guest62247, can't be done |
| 13:28.59 | jelly | glaucom: great. you may need to rmmod the relevant kernel module and modprobe it back again to make the kernel load the firmware |
| 13:29.16 | glaucom | jelly, ? sample |
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| 13:29.42 | Guest62247 | markybob: dang it! xD |
| 13:29.57 | jelly | glaucom: I don't know which module is relevant for your card. "lsmod" and try to figure out which one is realtek / rtl / rt related |
| 13:30.08 | glaucom | jelly, see this, i try push button wifi http://imgur.com/uS93EEt |
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| 13:30.50 | themill | Guest62247: so it seems you've got a real filesystem on /tmp rather than a tmpfs. It's in lvm so you can resize it with a little fiddling, but that's only going to be feasible if you log out as your user and unmount /home and shrink it. (Assuming you don't have any spare space on the disk as it is) |
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| 13:31.06 | jelly | glaucom: that probably doesn't do anything before you get the driver working... |
| 13:31.18 | glaucom | jelly, |
| 13:31.19 | glaucom | http://i.imgur.com/EUNL8jH.png |
| 13:31.36 | markybob | themill, we're talking encryption here, though. i don't think that's doable? am i wrong? |
| 13:32.11 | jelly | glaucom: good. now do "rmmod rtl8192se", then "modprobe rtl8192se", and see what the kernel says... |
| 13:32.27 | TJ- | Guest62247: if the Volume Group 'debian-vg' hasn't had all its extents allocated you can simply lvextend debian-vg/tmp |
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| 13:32.35 | glaucom | jelly, lol |
| 13:32.36 | glaucom | works |
| 13:32.39 | glaucom | tanks |
| 13:33.12 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 13:35.00 | glaucom | jelly, http://i.imgur.com/G787Gjr.png |
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| 13:36.48 | jelly | glaucom: do you have a question or...? |
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| 13:36.57 | Guest62247 | TJ-: So I could basically do "lvextend -L +500 /dev/mapper/debian--vg-tmp" to increase it by say 500 mb? |
| 13:36.57 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 13:37.08 | DelphiWorld | i'm having issue with a 32bit binary on x64 |
| 13:37.13 | jelly | Guest62247: -L +500M yes |
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| 13:37.15 | DelphiWorld | how to install 32bit libs? |
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| 13:37.32 | DelphiWorld | here's the post: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18928164/android-studio-cannot-find-aapt/18930424#18930424 |
| 13:37.36 | jelly | dpkg, tell DelphiWorld -about multiarch |
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| 13:38.19 | glaucom | no ?) |
| 13:38.25 | glaucom | no :) |
| 13:38.26 | jelly | DelphiWorld: after i386 foreign architecture is enabled you'll be able to install packages like libstdc++6:i386 |
| 13:38.43 | DelphiWorld | thank mr jelly |
| 13:38.49 | glaucom | jelly, i tryng now run Linset wifi |
| 13:38.51 | c0fe3 | jelly: how come that isn't just enabled by default? |
| 13:38.57 | glaucom | https://github.com/vk496/linset |
| 13:39.14 | jelly | c0fe3: what isn't enabled by default, sorry? |
| 13:39.27 | TJ- | Guest62247: Only if the VG has free extents though "sudo vgdisplay" will tell |
| 13:39.49 | c0fe3 | jelly: i386 foreign architecture. i wonder if that's why i haven't been able to install teamviewer on any debian systems |
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| 13:40.42 | markybob | why should amd64 or any other arch install i386 by default? that's silly |
| 13:40.46 | DelphiWorld | jelly saved my life |
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| 13:41.05 | jelly | c0fe3: probably because mixing arches is really suboptimal and shouldn't be needed by default |
| 13:41.18 | c0fe3 | hmm i see ok |
| 13:41.29 | Guest62247 | TJ-: vgdisplay is telling me "VG Status: resizable" and showing 238 GB in size. |
| 13:41.36 | c0fe3 | well i don't know why teamviewer isn't installing |
| 13:41.38 | c0fe3 | frusturating |
| 13:41.41 | jelly | c0fe3: use native software, built for your 64bit sse2 capable system, instead, if you can |
| 13:41.43 | Guest62247 | Let me try! :) |
| 13:42.08 | c0fe3 | jelly: can't have to use teamviewer, have to be able to get into the same session plus management is less insane that way |
| 13:42.22 | jelly | Guest62247: "vgs" shows a bit more concise output than "vgdisplay" |
| 13:42.24 | c0fe3 | jelly: plus it uses UDP hole punch technology so no need to worry about router's firewalls |
| 13:42.28 | TJ- | Guest62247: the key line is "Free PE / Size" |
| 13:42.56 | TJ- | Guest62247: PE = Physical Extents... usually 4MiB in size, and the minimum allocation unit in LVM |
| 13:42.57 | jelly | c0fe3: ask the vendor about 64bit support, I guess |
| 13:43.32 | glaucom | jelly, app mdk3 dont have debian ? |
| 13:43.45 | c0fe3 | jelly: that's the thing with them, they had 64-bit then they switched it to multiarch support |
| 13:43.50 | markybob | teamviewer has a perfectly good multiarch package: http://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb |
| 13:43.54 | jelly | glaucom: I have no idea what mdk3 is, sorry |
| 13:43.55 | Guest62247 | jelly: I'm sorry, i don't have "vgs" installed and aptitude says it can't find it....? |
| 13:43.57 | markybob | works here in amd64 just fine |
| 13:44.07 | Guest62247 | TJ-: Yes, PE Size is 4.00 MB |
| 13:44.10 | jelly | Guest62247: it's a command just like vgdisplay |
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| 13:45.01 | TJ- | Guest62247: I always keep some spare capacity in VGs for this very reason. e.g. "Alloc PE / Size 119680 / 467.50 GiB" ... "Free PE / Size 1918 / 7.49 GiB" |
| 13:45.28 | Guest62247 | jelly: ah, forgot the sudo in front, now it's working! |
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| 13:46.20 | Guest62247 | TJ-: Oh, now I'm seeing it! Unfortunately, it shows 0/0 free PE Size :( |
| 13:47.25 | TJ- | Guest62247: yes, I feared that. For some reason the installers in many distros fully allocate the extents when using LVM, which loses one of its key strengths on simple PCs (as opposed to server setups with lots of disks) |
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| 13:47.49 | glaucom | !mdk3 |
| 13:48.25 | TJ- | Guest62247: You'd have to release some space from another file-system, as others said earlier. That involves shrinking an existing file-system, and the Logical Volume that contains it. |
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| 13:48.58 | glaucom | !search mdk3 |
| 13:49.13 | markybob | not gonna happen with encryption. call it quits, backup and start over |
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| 13:49.36 | TJ- | Guest62247: see "man lvreduce" for an intro to what is required to do that |
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| 13:50.08 | Guest62247 | TJ-: Ok, I see... Yes, like markybob says, the encryption is assumably preventing me from doing that! But I will read up on lvreduce! :) |
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| 13:51.07 | ChrisH | Guest62247: encryption should be below and is not expected to harm.... shrinking a filesystem is the critical point. backup/recreate/restore might be the fastest option |
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| 13:53.36 | Guest62247 | Well, however it goes: Thank you very much, guys! :) |
| 13:53.44 | mi11k1__ | somebody know a simple way to monitor sound from a remote machine? |
| 13:54.17 | Brigo | mi11k1__, with a microphone? |
| 13:54.20 | mi11k1__ | yah |
| 13:54.31 | mi11k1__ | i havent had much luck with pulse in the past |
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| 13:55.55 | mi11k1__ | last time i tried, i had no results and it just totally jammed my lan up |
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| 13:57.11 | at0m|c | mi11k1__: did you make soundloops? |
| 13:57.26 | markybob | mi11k1__, you could go old school with esd |
| 13:57.28 | msmj | hi, i installed jessie in expert mode on a lenovo x220. during install i disabled all additional installer components. now backlight is not working.. may there be an relation? |
| 13:57.37 | mi11k1__ | im not too sure, i dont recall anything regarding soundloops |
| 13:57.47 | at0m|c | markybob: or nas network audio |
| 13:58.05 | at0m|c | mi11k1__: raw .wav stream doesn't take much. a CD is 600MB/h, to give you an estimate. |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | markybob: if they're using encryption at PV level, it won't affect resize2fs and lvreduce operations at all |
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| 13:58.45 | mi11k1__ | yah, the quality can be crap it doesnt matter |
| 13:58.45 | markybob | jelly, also wouldn't work with the live cd they were talking about to resize |
| 13:59.05 | mi11k1__ | like i can just forward a port or something |
| 13:59.17 | Brigo | msmj, it could be. |
| 13:59.22 | jelly | markybob: why not? |
| 13:59.42 | mi11k1__ | ill esd and see what that is |
| 13:59.45 | markybob | jelly, because it's not programmed to do so? |
| 14:00.06 | jelly | markybob: not to do what? luks and lvm can be brought up manually |
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| 14:02.18 | markybob | jelly, i guess one can always alt-f2. |
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| 14:03.36 | mi11k1__ | markybob: is esp a package? |
| 14:04.02 | mi11k1__ | oh wait the box doesnt appear to have inet at the moment |
| 14:04.18 | abrotman | winks at markybob |
| 14:05.31 | markybob | abrotman not creepy at all ;) |
| 14:05.39 | mi11k1__ | oh i get it, lol |
| 14:05.44 | mi11k1__ | oh you guys |
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| 14:06.16 | mi11k1__ | the whole point is to not use my esp |
| 14:06.19 | msmj | Brigo, ty. is there any docu regarding these additional components ? |
| 14:06.20 | markybob | abrotman, i don't suppose you have an answer to what i've been asking for the last 24hrs? |
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| 14:07.52 | Brigo | msmj, i don't know, but i doubt it. Try to check dependencies of debian-desktop packages. |
| 14:08.37 | glaucom | root@debian:/home/user# mdk3 |
| 14:08.38 | glaucom | bash: /usr/local/sbin/mdk3: No such file or directory |
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| 14:09.56 | Brigo | glaucom, what is the output of which mdk3? |
| 14:10.33 | glaucom | o try make , and make install - Sucess... but not open |
| 14:10.47 | markybob | is penetration/hacking stuff even allowed in #debian? |
| 14:10.50 | Brigo | glaucom, i meant 'which mdk3' |
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| 14:11.28 | jelly | glaucom: sorry, did you say what this mdk3 thing was? I missed it |
| 14:11.45 | Brigo | markybob, yes if the question is debian realted. |
| 14:11.56 | markybob | it's not. /usr/local |
| 14:12.11 | markybob | i think this is improper |
| 14:12.29 | jelly | markybob: debian is an OS, operating systems are used to run stuff on them |
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| 14:12.47 | jelly | markybob: interoperation questions are okay. |
| 14:12.54 | markybob | yes. and things not packaged in debian doesn't belong in #debian |
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| 14:13.08 | greenman | debian doesn't have like an LTS does it? |
| 14:13.20 | markybob | greenman, no |
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| 14:13.26 | tomberry | isn't that debian squeeze ? |
| 14:13.27 | greenman | Hmm... |
| 14:13.33 | Brigo | greenman, Long Time Supporg? |
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| 14:13.35 | themill | !lts |
| 14:13.35 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:13.36 | karlpinc | markybob: But getting things not packaged to run on debian does belong in #debian. |
| 14:13.41 | greenman | Brigo: yeah |
| 14:13.50 | jelly | markybob: they do, if the question is specifically about how to make them work (better) on Debian and especially if the issue can be generalized to other situations |
| 14:14.26 | greenman | The reason I ask, is that we have a client saying that we need to get our systems updated to the latest. |
| 14:14.26 | markybob | jelly, so you think hacking/penetration is okay here? |
| 14:14.31 | jelly | markybob: of course the answers are going to be strictly best effort |
| 14:14.33 | greenman | I have had nothing but problems with jessie |
| 14:14.43 | glaucom | each one. |
| 14:14.47 | greenman | I was hoping maybe we can point to something and say, wheezy is fine. |
| 14:14.48 | markybob | abrotman, what do you think? |
| 14:14.53 | jelly | markybob: I think interop questions are okay. |
| 14:14.57 | Elirips | Hello. I'm on debian Jessie, trying to enable quotas on dovecot. I must be missing something that puts things together: Quotas are not re-calculated on incoming mail and mails are not rejected on quota exceeded. But calculating manually using 'doveadm quota recalc' updates the values correctly in the mysql-db, and the thunderbird quota plugin shows the correct value. Any hints where to start? |
| 14:15.03 | karlpinc | greenman: You've got months before wheezy goes out of "oldstable support". |
| 14:15.05 | themill | greenman: perhaps better to fix your jessie problems |
| 14:15.09 | abrotman | markybob: I'm just an innocent bystander .. I wasn't following |
| 14:15.10 | avgoor | Hi all! I have a question regarding dpkg's conffile conflicts prompt during update of packages. I have 5 packages with a lot of configs, and when I'm updating them I get only prompted about 1 config-file from 1 package. Other configs updating without prompt. What is the reason behind such behavior? All config files listed in conffiles... |
| 14:15.45 | greenman | themill: I agree but the deadline is september first and the latest jessie induced problem has taken me the last week and I'm still nowhere near solving it... |
| 14:15.47 | jelly | glaucom: what does "file /usr/local/sbin/mdk3" say, and what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say? |
| 14:16.04 | karlpinc | greenman: Eventually you'll have to deal with jessie. You could always run sysv init in jessie. But probably better to bite the bullet. |
| 14:16.07 | glaucom | http://i.imgur.com/0OAGBPe.png |
| 14:16.13 | glaucom | jelly, http://i.imgur.com/0OAGBPe.png |
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| 14:16.30 | zeio | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.36 | glaucom | amd64 jelly |
| 14:16.45 | greenman | karlpinc: Oh, I know, but as I said above, I have less than a full two weeks and I've already spent a week on the latest problem |
| 14:16.56 | Brigo | avgoor, can you paste the error in paste.debian.net? |
| 14:17.04 | greenman | At this rate I won't be fully updated until next year! ;) |
| 14:17.05 | jelly | glaucom: and the first question? |
| 14:17.06 | karlpinc | greenman: (Ugh. That was totallyl something you could paste to a paste site.) |
| 14:17.17 | greenman | karlpinc: huh? |
| 14:17.39 | jelly | glaucom: what does "file /usr/local/sbin/mdk3" say <--- |
| 14:17.41 | greenman | oh nm, wrong person |
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| 14:18.26 | karlpinc | greenman: Looks like maybe your prefix is wrong and it's not installing in /usr/local/. |
| 14:18.42 | glaucom | jelly, root@debian:/home/user/Desktop/mdk3/mdk3-v6# file /usr/local/sbin/mdk3 |
| 14:18.43 | glaucom | /usr/local/sbin/mdk3: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=9b23f6065e68a7695a4c6aadecaf060afba873d9, not stripped |
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| 14:19.13 | greenman | karlpinc: I think you mean to say that to glaucom |
| 14:19.23 | karlpinc | greenman: Oops. |
| 14:19.25 | jelly | glaucom: alright, so it's a 32bit binary, and you have a 64bit system. Do you have multiarch enabled? |
| 14:19.34 | glaucom | wowww |
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| 14:20.03 | glaucom | jelly, multiarch enabled ? |
| 14:20.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell glaucom about multiarch |
| 14:20.27 | avgoor | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/300293/ as you see the other configs are just being updated w/o any questions... |
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| 14:21.39 | greenman | okay you peeps that said, just fix your jessie problems, any idea how to fix: |
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| 14:21.50 | glaucom | jelly, strange, not me I heed to this, it added the 64-bit repository apt get in before installing the application. |
| 14:21.55 | greenman | mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: no such device |
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| 14:22.04 | greenman | this comes after a few failed modprobes |
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| 14:22.14 | greenman | and when I livecd the drive is there and fine |
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| 14:23.03 | markybob | greenman, when you boot, prior to trying to mount /dev/sda2, what does df say? |
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| 14:24.10 | greenman | markybob: dwarf fortress doesn't say anything. ;) Kidding, what do you mean df? |
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| 14:24.35 | markybob | df. type df <enter> |
| 14:24.50 | greenman | at the busybox prompt? |
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| 14:25.18 | markybob | yeah |
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| 14:25.48 | stangeland | Hi, is there a command i can do to make a serversocket on a specific port, wait for a client to connect and then when connected, report the speed of the incoming data? |
| 14:25.50 | greenman | Filesystem udev is only one listed |
| 14:25.56 | karlpinc | greenman: One approach might be to mount using uuids instead of paths. (Dunno why it's broken....) |
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| 14:26.02 | Brigo | avgoor, as dpkg is telling, `/etc/init/swift-container-sync.conf' file was modify, so dpkg don't know what to do with it, then it ask you. |
| 14:26.08 | greenman | karlpinc: fstab has uuids |
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| 14:26.20 | markybob | greenman, congratulations. your hd is probably dead. run a bios diagnostic |
| 14:26.28 | greenman | (I've tried both ways with and without uuids) |
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| 14:26.46 | Brigo | avgoor, sorry, i have to go. |
| 14:26.55 | greenman | markybob: it's not though, if I put a livecd in, I can mount it, read, write, everything |
| 14:27.07 | greenman | And I can also boot to the previous kernel |
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| 14:27.18 | greenman | It's a specific problem with this kernel |
| 14:27.26 | jelly | glaucom: maybe, but the thing you have in /usr/local/sbin/mdk3 is not 64-bit at all |
| 14:27.34 | greenman | (I guess that is the failed modprobes) |
| 14:27.44 | markybob | greenman, that would've been good info to give ahead of time :P did you build it yourself? |
| 14:27.46 | greenman | I tried rebuilding the initramfs and that didn't work |
| 14:27.49 | jelly | glaucom: what does dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/local/sbin/mdk3) say, is that a part of a package at all? |
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| 14:28.21 | glaucom | root@debian:/home/user/Desktop/mdk3/mdk3-v6# dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/local/sbin/mdk3) |
| 14:28.21 | glaucom | mdk3: /usr/local/sbin/mdk3 |
| 14:28.23 | karlpinc | stangeland: I don't know of anything offhand but you might be able to wack something together with socat and ttcp or something. It's getting the speed that's an issue. Perhaps ss has something that will filter by remote destination? |
| 14:28.23 | greenman | markybob: sorry, didn't realize. What do you mean build it myself? it=? |
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| 14:28.35 | avgoor | Brigo, if I understood correctly, there should be difference between the old file from package, installed file and new file then it will ask for desicion? And if file on FS is equal to file from old package it will be just updated w/o prompt? |
| 14:28.44 | karlpinc | greenman: dmesg says the drive is there? |
| 14:28.49 | markybob | greenman, the kernel. |
| 14:28.52 | glaucom | jelly, say mdk3: /usr/local/sbin/mdk3 |
| 14:29.04 | greenman | markybob: that was done by the update |
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| 14:29.35 | jelly | glaucom: then contact whoever you got that package from, and tell them it's broken |
| 14:29.36 | markybob | greenman, cat /etc/debian_version && uname -a |
| 14:29.40 | karlpinc | greenman: Possibly non-free firmware is required? ?? |
| 14:29.49 | greenman | karlpinc: yeah, I believe so, it has sda and sdb attached scsi disk |
| 14:30.18 | greenman | markybob: I don't think I can do that, I have no drives mounted. I'm in the busybox after failure to boot |
| 14:30.49 | greenman | karlpinc: is that something that would change with the update from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 14:31.16 | stangeland | karlpinc, it like...if i read a disk from disk i can do it using dd and report the sped in terminal...i basically want to be able to do the same with data coming in on a socket |
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| 14:32.06 | karlpinc | greenman: It's possible wheezy was not entirely "cleaned up" regards binary firmware. Or not. That's a guess. I forget when this was supposed to be "done". |
| 14:32.20 | itt788 | I'm trying to setup dnsmasq on a computer to give other computers connected to it their ip address and share its internet connection but it seems to fail in giving access to internet. the client computers have the host ethernet ip address as nameserver in their resolv.conf file. '127.0.0.1" is set as first nameserver in the host resolv.conf file and "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1" is set in the tested client /etc/dhcp/dhclie |
| 14:32.20 | itt788 | nt.conf |
| 14:32.25 | greenman | stangeland: maybe this would help: |
| 14:32.26 | greenman | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9903670/measure-local-sockets-speed |
| 14:32.36 | Lope | I ran apt-get autoremove && apt-get autoclean ... yet I still have many versions of the same archives. for example mongodb-org-mongos_2.6.3_amd64.deb mongodb-org-mongos_2.6.4_amd64.deb mongodb-org-mongos_2.6.5_amd64.deb and so on... ? |
| 14:32.40 | karlpinc | stangeland: So use nc or socat and pipe it to dd and get a speed. |
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| 14:33.12 | glaucom | jelly, tanks again |
| 14:34.21 | karlpinc | itt788: 127.0.0.1 is localnet and is not supposed to be used to talk with other computers. I can't say that using that network for your lan is your problem, but it's sure to cause headaches. Don't do it. |
| 14:34.28 | glaucom | jelly, ooo no! i again make clean , and make , make install , works.... |
| 14:34.40 | stangeland | karlpinc, ahh nc -l -p 5555 | pv >/dev/null is what i needed |
| 14:35.29 | karlpinc | stangeland: Ah. pv. I'd forgotten. |
| 14:36.01 | markybob | Lope, that's normal. autoremove just remove dependencies from previously installed packages. for example, if i run "dpkg -l '*x264*' |grep ^", i'll have 146 and 148 |
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| 14:36.24 | itt788 | karlpinc : so you suggest I remove nameserver 127.0.0.1 from resolv.conf on the host computer? |
| 14:36.40 | karlpinc | Lope: (That's why I use aptitude rather than apt-get. It does autoremove automatically.) |
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| 14:36.54 | Lope | markybob: autoclean is supposed to delete old versions |
| 14:36.58 | tomberry | is aptitude better than apt ? |
| 14:37.03 | greenman | tomberry: usually |
| 14:37.09 | tomberry | How ? |
| 14:37.11 | greenman | can you do a dist-upgrade with aptitude? |
| 14:37.18 | tomberry | Never tried |
| 14:37.21 | markybob | Lope, files. not installs |
| 14:37.23 | greenman | tomberry: it does a lot of automatic stuff that apt-get doesn't do. |
| 14:37.34 | stangeland | karlpinc, but can i somehow instruct nc -l -p 5555 | pv >/dev/null to use a specific ip address ? |
| 14:37.35 | greenman | It also is generally better at dependencies, I believe |
| 14:37.45 | tomberry | Cause i use to just aptitude |
| 14:37.49 | karlpinc | greenman: For major release upgrades it's best to do whatever the release notes say. Sometimes apt-get, sometimes aptitude. |
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| 14:38.05 | tomberry | Some where i was brainwashed into thinking it's becoming deprecated |
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| 14:38.21 | markybob | greenman, yes, you can |
| 14:38.30 | c0fe3 | the main difference between aptitude and apt is that aptitude adds explicit flags |
| 14:38.42 | karlpinc | itt788: You can use 127.0.0.1 to talk to the local computer. That's what it's for. |
| 14:38.44 | c0fe3 | the main differences are small if not completely marginal and ignorable |
| 14:38.53 | tomberry | also when caching it shows installed programs |
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| 14:38.56 | c0fe3 | it is difficult to go wrong with either one |
| 14:39.10 | karlpinc | c0fe3: agreed |
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| 14:40.06 | greenman | I have no idea how to solve this problem. Google isn't helping. :/ |
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| 14:40.35 | ikla | is there an app that works with active directory to use users groups and passwords? |
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| 14:40.37 | karlpinc | greenman: You've been blessed with an interesting problem. |
| 14:40.46 | markybob | ikla, yeah. samba |
| 14:41.13 | ikla | that will map everything from active directory to linux? |
| 14:41.16 | tomberry | it's settled i am now full aptitude |
| 14:41.30 | ikla | auth ssh etc. ? |
| 14:41.37 | markybob | ikla, groups/passwords, yes |
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| 14:42.49 | greenman | karlpinc: interesting and potentially job losing :( |
| 14:43.08 | markybob | ikla, it's not a terribly easy learning curve, though. so good luck :) they have books for it. maybe a trip to the library wouldn't be bad |
| 14:43.09 | ikla | there is a pam module? |
| 14:43.30 | markybob | ikla, yes |
| 14:43.33 | ikla | If I recall there was another app that did this outside of samba |
| 14:44.20 | greenman | ikla: there are like 4 or 5 different tools that work together to do the whole thing. I forget what they are. |
| 14:44.29 | ikla | realmd ssd |
| 14:44.31 | ikla | sssd |
| 14:44.38 | karlpinc | stangeland: You need a filter. Maybe there's a way to get iptables to tee the input, or route it from nc back through iptables. Surely there's a way tofilter with libpcap somehow.... |
| 14:44.40 | at0m|c | talking samba for AD, is there anything -apart from xdmcp- that would get me the same /home/$user and all on remote machines? like, on any i log in from? |
| 14:44.40 | greenman | I know redhat took those and incorporated them into one app. |
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| 14:45.02 | karlpinc | ikla: You can also contact #samba. |
| 14:45.19 | markybob | ikla, it's libpam-smbpass |
| 14:45.31 | markybob | it's not hard. just have to take the time to learn |
| 14:45.41 | greenman | so. I think the only thing I haven't tried is rebuilding the kernel |
| 14:45.48 | karlpinc | greenman: So, does dmesg see the drive? I didn't notice an answer above. |
| 14:45.48 | greenman | how hard is that, and how do I do it? |
| 14:45.58 | greenman | karlpinc: yeah, It sees both of them |
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| 14:46.33 | karlpinc | greenman: And can you do something like sfdisk -l or use fdisk or whatever to print the partition table? |
| 14:46.36 | greenman | markybob: smbp ass? ;) |
| 14:46.43 | markybob | !kernel-package |
| 14:46.44 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 14:46.59 | karlpinc | greenman: Can you mount the drive manually? |
| 14:47.04 | karlpinc | (in busybox) |
| 14:47.09 | stangeland | karlpinc, can't i not just somehow give a parameter to nc with ipaddress? |
| 14:47.11 | greenman | karlpinc: busybox doesn't appear to have an fdisk |
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| 14:47.57 | karlpinc | greenman: parted? |
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| 14:48.15 | greenman | karlpinc: nope, no parted |
| 14:48.52 | karlpinc | stangeland: No nc does not do that. Possibly socat might, but I'd think not. |
| 14:48.53 | markybob | greenman, it should have paud, iirc |
| 14:49.02 | tomberry | sometimes you have too type busybox and then the command |
| 14:49.25 | markybob | i haven't run into a busybox problem in a long time...memory sucks |
| 14:49.27 | stangeland | karlpinc, how can i do that with socat? |
| 14:50.11 | karlpinc | greenman: I'm not sure building a kernel is the right approach. I'd first try to see what the problem is. (Like will it mount manually?) |
| 14:50.28 | karlpinc | stangeland: I don't have the socat manual handy to see. |
| 14:50.38 | karlpinc | stangeland: socat is nc on steroids. |
| 14:50.43 | greenman | markybob: no paud |
| 14:50.47 | greenman | tomberry: I tried that too |
| 14:50.54 | tomberry | did it work ? |
| 14:51.01 | greenman | nope |
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| 14:52.31 | greenman | karlpinc: mounting fails in busybox the same way it fails during boot, no such device |
| 14:52.48 | greenman | Funny thing about that is, right before it fails for no such device, it does an fsck of the drive |
| 14:52.53 | greenman | so it sees it, and then doesn't |
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| 14:55.09 | karlpinc | stangeland: Take a look at, say, bpfc in netsniff-ng. |
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| 14:55.29 | TJ- | greenman: is the kernel reporting I/O errors at that point? Sounds like a typical symptom of a drive that fails once significant I/O begins |
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| 14:56.19 | greenman | TJ-: not that I can see. And I don't think the drive is wrong, since I can boot to the old kernel and everything works fine |
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| 14:56.33 | karlpinc | stangeland: You could use pmacct. It does stuff like exactly what you want. |
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| 14:58.12 | karlpinc | stangeland: I think pmacct is the answer. |
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| 14:59.47 | TJ- | greenman: re fdisk/parted ... "cat /proc/partitions" will show the kernel's view of the block devices |
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| 15:00.26 | greenman | TJ-: they're all there |
| 15:00.36 | greenman | sda, sda1, sda2, sdb, and sdb1 |
| 15:00.50 | TJ- | greenman: which device fails, sda or sdb, or both? |
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| 15:01.11 | greenman | TJ-: it's failing on sdb2, that's where / is |
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| 15:01.31 | greenman | There are a couple of modprobe errors before the failed mount |
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| 15:01.55 | karlpinc | greenman: Is lsblk and that sorta stuff in busybox? |
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| 15:02.17 | TJ- | greenman: OK... test it directly and see if, afterwards, 'dmesg' reports any errors: "dd if=/dev/sdb2 of=/dev/null count=1M" |
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| 15:03.45 | greenman | right before it fails it shows three modprobe errors: module INITRD_MODULES="vmxnet not found in modules.dep |
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| 15:03.54 | greenman | and pvscsi not found in modules.dep |
| 15:04.00 | greenman | and " not found in modules.dep |
| 15:04.07 | frostschutz | TJ-, do you mean bs=1M? |
| 15:04.11 | TJ- | greenman: is it a virtual machine? |
| 15:04.13 | TJ- | frostschutz: no |
| 15:04.37 | TJ- | frostschutz: default bs is 512, I would want it to read 1M blocks |
| 15:04.53 | greenman | TJ-: dd: can't open /dev/sda2, checking dmesg |
| 15:05.03 | TJ- | greenman: sdb2 I typed |
| 15:05.19 | greenman | TJ-: yeah, sorry mistyped, it was b |
| 15:05.24 | greenman | also, nothing in dmesg |
| 15:05.28 | TJ- | greenman: the test is against the partition containing the root fs |
| 15:05.32 | greenman | TJ-: it is virtual |
| 15:05.39 | frostschutz | TJ-, so... bs=1M count=512? |
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| 15:06.17 | TJ- | frostschutz: for error-provoking leaving the bs at the default is better since dd will fail earlier |
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| 15:07.39 | frostschutz | uh, if you say so |
| 15:07.56 | TJ- | greenman: if this is a VM guest, and it needs the pvscsi module that suggests the error may well be because you've not installed the guest additions |
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| 15:08.56 | greenman | TJ-: If I needed them, I would have had them before. It worked before I updated to Jessie |
| 15:09.06 | greenman | But how do I install the additions if I can't boot? |
| 15:09.26 | greenman | boot into old kernel?, but won't that just install whatever for *that* kernel? |
| 15:09.54 | TJ- | greenman: maybe the earlier kernel's have include those missing modules in their initrd.img ? |
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| 15:10.22 | greenman | I was thinking since it had multiple modprobe errors that it was something wrong with the kernel of the initramfs. I rebuilt the initramfs, but i haven't rebuilt the kernel... |
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| 15:11.18 | TJ- | greenman: I'd guess there have been quite a few changes if you've done a release upgrade, so this kind of issue wouldn't surprise me |
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| 15:11.55 | greycat | initrd does not contain a kernel |
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| 15:14.39 | karlpinc | Are "guest additions" something that come with debian or is this a vmware/whatever package? |
| 15:15.36 | greenman | TJ-: yeah, that and going to systemd |
| 15:15.42 | TJ- | karlpinc: it's VMware specific stuff, to accelerate i/o |
| 15:15.56 | karlpinc | I'm wondering how the whole things is supposed to boot/install in the first place. |
| 15:16.03 | greenman | greycat: yeah, that's why I'm thinking that I might try rebuilding the kernel. I mean at this point, what could it hurt?! |
| 15:16.19 | greenman | pulls his hair out laughing maniacally |
| 15:16.30 | greycat | Did you build this kernel to begin with? It's not a standard Debian one? |
| 15:16.46 | greenman | greycat: it's standard debian as far as I know |
| 15:16.50 | greenman | was installed with the update |
| 15:16.58 | karlpinc | greenman: How about contacting vmware for support now that you think that it's their modules that need frobbing into the initrd? |
| 15:17.03 | TJ- | greenman: I'd just include the modules reported by the initrd script to be missing, first. It doesn't report that for no reason. If it tells you that then they must be listed in the 'modules' file |
| 15:17.29 | greycat | greenman: then there is no such concept as "rebuilding" |
| 15:17.32 | karlpinc | greenman: What TJ- said. Fix the problem you know. |
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| 15:17.59 | TJ- | karlpinc: up until the point the kernel/initrd take over, disk access will be via BIOS disk services or GRUB native disk services |
| 15:18.29 | karlpinc | TJ-: (I'm not clear on how you'd rebuild the initrd without being able to boot.) |
| 15:18.49 | TJ- | karlpinc: It's a VM - mount the guest image and use chroot |
| 15:19.13 | greenman | TJ-: okay so boot into old kernel, add modules to "something" then restart |
| 15:19.24 | greenman | okay sounds good, but I don't know what the " modules is... |
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| 15:20.13 | TJ- | greenman: I'd recommend being more forensic than that. *if* an earlier kernel will boot, then I'd extract its initrd.img and examine it, find out if it mentions/includes those files, or if this message is a red herring |
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| 15:20.20 | karlpinc | greenman: You said you rebuilt the initrd already. Maybe that's the result of a problem in your config? Just guessing. |
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| 15:21.12 | TJ- | greenman: "update-initramfs -vu -k <kernel-version> |& tee /tmp/initrd.log" will allow you to capture a very verbose log of how the initrd is built and what is in it |
| 15:21.13 | greenman | karlpinc: um, sure.... At this point it could be anything. ;) |
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| 15:22.12 | TJ- | greenman: you can extract an intrd.img to examine it with something like: "mkdir /tmp/initrd && cd /tmp/initrd && zcat /boot/initrd.img-$VERSION | cpio -id" |
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| 15:23.23 | TJ- | greenman: if you find mention of those modules *and* they exist in the earlier initrd.img, then do the same for the failing initrd.img, and compare |
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| 15:24.46 | greenman | so basically extract both initrd images and compare? |
| 15:25.03 | greenman | what does the update-initramfs test for, should I do that first? |
| 15:25.19 | TJ- | greenman: yes... but as I said, if an earlier kernel/initrd combo works then that tells you alot already |
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| 15:26.38 | x86iac | does the kernel initrd combo play jazz or fusion? |
| 15:26.40 | TJ- | greenman: the update-initramfs step would be to capture to a log everything that is done in creating the initrd.img. Then you can scan the log for mention of pvscsi and that vxnet, and look for any other clues. |
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| 15:27.00 | TJ- | x86iac: right now, it seems nuclear fusion :) |
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| 15:28.15 | jelly | x86iac: you were warned once already to keep ontopic here, please try to make an effort |
| 15:28.34 | greenman | Okay, I'm going to tackle this and report back |
| 15:28.52 | x86iac | jelly screw you too |
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| 15:29.45 | TJ- | greenman: if the VMs are on a Debian host already, if the boot of an earlier kernel fails, I'd loop-mount the guest image and use chroot to work on the images - ensures you have a stable environment and access to (install new) tools |
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| 15:31.50 | greenman | TJ-: the host is ESXi |
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| 15:34.13 | TJ- | greenman: OK... well, if you were able to loop-mount the VM guest image on a Debian host... maybe copy it over... if the problem is complex always best to work from a stable environment |
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| 15:38.57 | binwiederhier | trying to overwrite '/x/sc/boot/ntldr', which is also in package x 2.792.1~precise |
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| 15:42.08 | greycat | binwiederhier: can pre-depends solve that? |
| 15:42.21 | jelly | binwiederhier: you probably want to Conflicts: and Replaces: the old package... do they come from the same source? |
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| 15:42.56 | binwiederhier | greycat: I tried Pre-Depends: X (>= newversion), that did not work. i can show the error if you like |
| 15:42.58 | jelly | Pre-Depends are best avoided if possible |
| 15:43.07 | binwiederhier | jelly: i have not tried Replaces or Conflicts |
| 15:43.13 | greycat | OK, listen to jelly. He knows this stuff better than I do. |
| 15:43.13 | binwiederhier | they come from the same source |
| 15:43.22 | binwiederhier | ok i'll try that and come back |
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| 15:43.25 | binwiederhier | jelly: thanks |
| 15:43.26 | jelly | binwiederhier: both at the same time. Specific semantics. |
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| 15:43.30 | jelly | !mentors |
| 15:43.30 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 15:43.45 | jelly | but I don't remember a reference for that... |
| 15:43.52 | binwiederhier | cool. ^^ i'll check that out |
| 15:44.15 | jelly | binwiederhier: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition |
| 15:44.37 | jelly | binwiederhier: case #7 or #8 might match your situation |
| 15:44.47 | binwiederhier | ha. perfect! |
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| 15:45.13 | binwiederhier | jelly: i'll read up and try a few things and get back here to tell you if it worked. thanks a lot. |
| 15:45.33 | jelly | is too ignorant to know about this newfangled Breaks: thing |
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| 15:46.52 | connor_goodwolf | yar |
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| 15:54.18 | mdim | hi all! |
| 15:54.25 | mdim | does anyone have experience with building documentation with Doxygen for a large Debian codebase? |
| 15:56.19 | steedp3 | Is there some nice software packaage that will do automatic email alerts for low disk space, high load etc? |
| 15:56.40 | jelly | steedp3: for a single system? |
| 15:56.44 | steedp3 | yup |
| 15:57.44 | jelly | has no idea; nagios and clones (icinga, shinken...) are probably overkill |
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| 16:05.58 | steedp3 | I am looking for something in the repos, I am hoping there is a fairly decent solution there already |
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| 16:09.23 | docmur__ | I have an ssh tunnel to a remote server. How can I view what ciper the client connected with to the server? I tired ssh -vv but that didn't show me |
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| 16:14.41 | stvn | whats the best tool to burn a windows iso to a bootable dvd in debian? |
| 16:15.05 | greycat | cdrecord, dvd+rw-tools, etc. |
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| 16:19.41 | jhutchins | docmur__: You can try -vvv, or turn on debugging in the server config. |
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| 16:22.54 | AciD` | hi |
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| 16:23.41 | AciD` | should I be worried to see this kind of chinese ip when doing a netstat on my server? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12142124 |
| 16:24.15 | AciD` | when doing `who` I don't see other users than me in the system though |
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| 16:26.08 | petemc | AciD`: if you look at /var/log/auth.log you will probably see those ips trying and (hopefully) failing to log in |
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| 16:27.08 | AciD` | ah yes, many, many, many fail password |
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| 16:27.21 | AciD` | is there a way to ban an ip after X tries ? |
| 16:27.31 | AciD` | or even better, restrict the allowed ip to ssh? |
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| 16:28.58 | bazhang | ,v fail2ban |
| 16:28.59 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.3-1; sid: 0.9.3-1 |
| 16:29.01 | petemc | fail2ban and other apps can monitor logs and ban after x login attemps, sshd can be configured to allow only certain ips |
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| 16:30.22 | greycat | Often the easiest solution is just to change the port sshd is listening on. |
| 16:31.05 | greycat | It won't stop someone who is specifically trying to break into your system because you have something they want, but it stops the random hits. |
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| 16:33.23 | docmur__ | Okay running -vvv on the client didn't work, I can try it on the server |
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| 16:34.06 | docmur__ | ssh -vvv just give me this: OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u2, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 followed by ssh options |
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| 16:43.49 | jhutchins | AciD`: You can also do throttling in iptables, but it's good practice to move the port. |
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| 16:48.51 | user1234 | Is #trisquel better than Debian as desktop OS? |
| 16:49.10 | docmur__ | Better is subjective |
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| 16:49.29 | nkuttler | user1234: not really on topic here. ask #trisquel.. |
| 16:49.47 | user1234 | debian is not GNU/Linux-libre |
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| 16:51.29 | karlpinc` | steedp3: I use mon on occasion. |
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| 16:57.25 | netinstallo | can anyone recommend a free as in freedom GRAPHICAL alternative to 4K Video Downloader that allows you to download Facebook videos? |
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| 16:58.42 | apathor | netinstallo: youtube-dl can do facebook videos |
| 16:59.32 | netinstallo | apathor, is youtube-dl a GRAPHICAL alternative to 4K Video Downloader? |
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| 17:00.41 | apathor | no you might have to take both hands off the mouse to use it |
| 17:01.04 | apathor | if that's what you mean by GRAPHICAL |
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| 17:01.25 | netinstallo | apathor, i am looking for a GRAPHICAL alternative to 4K Video Downloader? I am NOT looking for a command line tool |
| 17:01.50 | greycat | netinstallo: maybe firefox or chrome extensions? |
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| 17:02.07 | netinstallo | maybe? |
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| 17:11.20 | apathor | netinstallo: `youtube-dl $( zenity --title "Download Video" --entry --text "URL" )` now it's graphical :) |
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| 17:12.10 | greycat | Needs xterm -e, sh -c, and a whole crapload more quotes. |
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| 17:14.34 | apathor | yeah greycat thats for netinstallo to figure out |
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| 17:15.57 | netinstallo | xterm is a terminal emulator where you enter commands. i am looking for a a free as in freedom wholly GRAPHICAL alternative to 4K Video Downloader that allows you to download Facebook videos |
| 17:16.13 | greycat | Well, apparently nobody who is currently here knows of one. |
| 17:16.20 | netinstallo | ok |
| 17:16.24 | nha_ | any tips on debugging pure noise being produce by my usb microphone? kernel spams retire_capture_urb. |
| 17:16.26 | TJ- | netinstallo: start writing one and there will be one :) |
| 17:16.56 | netinstallo | TJ-, tyoical geeko answer/advice/sarcasm directed to desktop newbies |
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| 17:17.57 | TJ- | netinstallo: not at all. The joy of Linux is learning... there's a package called zenity that allows you to create GUI's from shell scripts. You could use that in a script that then calls the command-line tool of your choice |
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| 17:18.07 | greycat | My initial reaction was "Facebook has videos?!" if that tells you anything about the crowd you're dealing with. |
| 17:18.46 | netinstallo | TJ, the joy of GNU/Linux is not learning, it is being free as in freedom! |
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| 17:18.57 | r6ku | netinstallo: suck it up and use the terminal or that 4k video thing, besides you shouldn't be using facebook in the first place |
| 17:18.58 | c0fe_machine | jelly: do you know if you can create a container within debian and isolate it to be used internally only? even disabling ssh? |
| 17:19.21 | c0fe_machine | yeah freedom as in free to suck |
| 17:19.21 | TJ- | netinstallo: The "Freedom" is the freedom to tinker, to extend, to explore the source |
| 17:19.21 | c0fe_machine | :D |
| 17:19.32 | netinstallo | r6ku, i do not use facebook but a friend does and i have tried to convince him to stop using facebook but cannot force him to do so. |
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| 17:19.49 | r6ku | netinstallo: that's his problem |
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| 17:20.45 | netinstallo | r6ku, however, i managed to convince him to give GNU/Linux a chance. I installed GNU/Linux on his laptop |
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| 17:22.07 | netinstallo | will be back later |
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| 17:35.03 | jelly | c0fe_machine: you probably can, but I don't know of any reasonably secure container technology |
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| 17:49.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have a Debian box I need to authenicate users against a Samba Active Directory via Kerberos. When I try to join it to the domain, it complains that it can't read the secrets.tdb file. Which package generates that file? |
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| 17:51.44 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... can somebody advice me a good free alternative to metasploit ? or how can i download it without having all the times to insert my data ? i don't want to share my personal data with them... |
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| 17:59.31 | phunyguy | Guys, I am having a hard time with this and I am begging for a push in the right direction. I am trying to do some fancy pinning in apt which will allow me to follow the testing branch by default, but track $package from unstable, along with its dependencies. The dependencies piece is what I am missing. I want it to constantly follow it, not just install once. |
| 18:00.00 | phunyguy | is anyone actively doing this, and how? |
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| 18:09.09 | centrx | phunyguy, Generally using a package from unstable on testing is done as a one-time thing, not tracking it |
| 18:09.33 | centrx | phunyguy, If you do that, you may find that the packages you are tracking depend on a particular version of libc6 or gcc (e.g. current gcc 5 transition) |
| 18:09.42 | centrx | phunyguy, and end up with a system that is overall unstable instead of testing |
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| 18:10.14 | phunyguy | centrx: yeah.... |
| 18:10.20 | phunyguy | grumbles. |
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| 18:10.53 | phunyguy | I suppose I could just stay on testing with this box, but security updates being delayed concerns me a little. |
| 18:11.18 | phunyguy | hence me wanting to pull from unstable for certain high profile things. |
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| 18:12.05 | phunyguy | am I just being too paranoid? |
| 18:12.21 | sjhill | Anibal Monvsalve Salazar ever on here? |
| 18:13.03 | greycat | phunyguy: if security updates are an issue, run stable. |
| 18:13.26 | phunyguy | greycat: can't... I lose kernel security updates if I do that because I have to run testing (or backported) kernel |
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| 18:14.18 | phunyguy | my docking station isn't supported in anything less than 3.19 kernel |
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| 18:15.56 | cxd13 | phunyguy: i could be mistaken but i think unstable gets more timely security fixes than testing |
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| 18:19.02 | RoyK | cxd13: obviously - unstable gets the updates far earlier, but long before they're tested properly |
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| 18:19.48 | phunyguy | cxd13: that was my initial idea |
| 18:19.54 | Pegasus_RPG | oh, solved it. Needed to create the /var/lib/samba/private directory |
| 18:20.09 | phunyguy | but it looks like it will be more of a headache than it is worth. cost outweighs benefit. |
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| 18:22.58 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:23.14 | Posterdati | please I cannot format a floppy on jessie! |
| 18:23.20 | Posterdati | fdformat /dev/fd0 |
| 18:23.20 | Posterdati | fdformat: cannot open /dev/fd0: No such device or address |
| 18:23.54 | mtn | wonders what on earth a floppy is |
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| 18:27.19 | phunyguy | greycat: RoyK: so maybe I should stick with stable, and maybe try to run testing kernel? What would be the downside to that? I don't think security updates get added to backports as often as they should, but I could be wrong there. |
| 18:27.38 | cxd13 | RoyK: it doesn't take that long to test a security update. stable gets them very quickly and it's never caused me any issues |
| 18:27.47 | RoyK | cxd13: I know |
| 18:27.55 | mtn | phunyguy: there are newer kernels in backports |
| 18:28.09 | phunyguy | mtn: yes but I am worried about making sure the kernel gets security updates after I install it. |
| 18:28.12 | greycat | ,kernels |
| 18:28.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-rc6-686-pae (4.2~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); stretch: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
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| 18:28.34 | greycat | oh wow, 4.1 in jessie-backports |
| 18:28.47 | cxd13 | yup |
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| 18:29.20 | phunyguy | so now the real question.... downgrade or reinstall... |
| 18:29.24 | cxd13 | i like to install linux-image-amd64 from backports, that way i don't have to manually check to see if a new one was backported |
| 18:29.25 | phunyguy | I haven't configured much. |
| 18:29.36 | RoyK | !downgrade |
| 18:29.36 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:29.57 | phunyguy | cxd13: if you install it like that, does it pull updates from backports as they arrive or is that a manual process? |
| 18:30.16 | cxd13 | phunyguy: automatic with apt-get upgrade |
| 18:30.25 | phunyguy | humph |
| 18:30.39 | phunyguy | choices. |
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| 18:31.49 | phunyguy | oh wait now I remember |
| 18:32.01 | phunyguy | I went down this road before. Things like virtualbox broke with backported kerbnel. |
| 18:32.02 | phunyguy | kernel* |
| 18:32.23 | phunyguy | anything relying on dkms. (yes I installed backported headers too) |
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| 18:32.36 | phunyguy | how does one get around that? |
| 18:33.15 | cxd13 | you just need the kernel headers |
| 18:33.25 | cxd13 | for virtualbox |
| 18:33.28 | phunyguy | cxd13: the kernel is too new for that version of virtualbox |
| 18:33.44 | cxd13 | what version? |
| 18:33.47 | phunyguy | wait, there may be backported virtualbox |
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| 18:34.17 | phunyguy | but other things I am not so sure about. ATI/Nvidia drivers... xtables stuff... |
| 18:34.19 | cxd13 | there's no problem running kernel 4.1 in stable with virtualbox |
| 18:34.39 | phunyguy | I tried compiling the modules in a VM and got failures. Same happens on Ubuntu |
| 18:34.56 | phunyguy | (with their "LTS hardware enablement kernel") |
| 18:35.09 | cxd13 | why are you compiling inside a VM? |
| 18:35.18 | markybob | well...you did it wrong |
| 18:35.28 | cxd13 | read the virtualbox section on debian wiki it explains exactly what to do |
| 18:35.47 | phunyguy | cxd13: I was testing all of this in a VM before I deleted Ubuntu. |
| 18:36.00 | phunyguy | markybob: useful comment. |
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| 18:37.27 | jhutchins | phunyguy: Anything you build with dkms has to be built again any time you significantly update the kernel. |
| 18:37.29 | markybob | phunyguy, you're looking at video drivers in a VM which uses a different video driver |
| 18:37.35 | markybob | it's...ridiculous |
| 18:38.07 | phunyguy | markybob: what the hell are you talking about. There is a virtualbox-guest-dkms package which works the same way... and for a VM specifically. |
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| 18:38.56 | phunyguy | jhutchins: yes I get that. Problem is, with virtualbox from stable repo, and kernel from backports (headers included), compiles fail. The fix is to use backported virtualbox. I see that. But that doesn't apply to other things like xtables. |
| 18:39.05 | phunyguy | xtables-common-dkms, etc |
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| 18:39.32 | phunyguy | and backports also aren't really supported so it's essentailly a brick wall for me. |
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| 18:40.47 | placko | Since I installed Jessie xpdf does not obey my keybinding in .xpdfrc http://paste.debian.net/300429/ It does read ~/.xpdfrc file but binding does not work |
| 18:41.01 | phunyguy | at least Debian included a version of xtables and kernel that was compatible... In Ubuntu, they included xtables 2.3, and kernel 3.13... instant kernel panic when the module loads. |
| 18:41.48 | phunyguy | (on an LTS version... with the fix being to upgrade xtables to 2.4+.... which will not happen due to package policies... so leave it broken.) |
| 18:42.09 | phunyguy | (on a version supported for 5 years).... but I digress... |
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| 19:02.44 | pflanze | Hello. I'm setting up my own mail service and have got everything working except for outgoing mail from desktop clients (authenticated smtp with some encryption or whatever). I've tried to use qpsmtpd for this but without success so far. Suggestions? |
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| 19:03.39 | jelly | pflanze: what are you using for incoming mail? |
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| 19:04.28 | pflanze | Also, K-9 Mail on Android works with dovecot IMAP and allows me to accept the inofficial certificate. Icedove is very weird and doesn't report any useful error. Gnus IMAP *silently* accepts my certificate, big no-no. |
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| 19:04.40 | pflanze | So I don't have any IMAP client on the desktop yet, what are you suggesting? |
| 19:04.48 | pflanze | jelly, qpsmtpd + qmail. |
| 19:05.02 | jelly | pflanze: which smtp service are you using on the server which is your MX, qpsmtpd? |
| 19:05.09 | pflanze | yes |
| 19:05.11 | jelly | interesting choice. |
| 19:05.22 | pflanze | qmail is just the non-smtp parts. |
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| 19:05.34 | jelly | has thrown qmail out the window and is running postfix mostly everywhere |
| 19:05.53 | pflanze | well, outgoing smtp is handled by qmail. Incoming is qpsmtpd. Pretty standard qpsmtpd setup. |
| 19:07.12 | pflanze | Perhaps I should be using dovecot for outgoing mail. Although it would be nice to get qpsmtpd to work for that as it would better allow me to tweak things. |
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| 19:07.44 | SCDias | Outgoing SMTP???? maybe you need a smart host |
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| 19:08.07 | SCDias | cannot deliver email though dinamic ip |
| 19:08.07 | teraflops | wow qmail I have memories of patching it for ldap, many years ago |
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| 19:08.37 | pflanze | SCDias, my setup is on a server, static ip. Just the desktop is dynamic. |
| 19:08.49 | SCDias | ah ok =) |
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| 19:10.11 | pflanze | I didn't need to apply any patch: qpsmtpd does most of the modern stuff, and outgoing stuff like DKIM I'm doing using wrapper programs around qmail instead of patching. |
| 19:10.24 | placko | Any advice where to look for about xpdf? |
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| 19:11.21 | pflanze | placko, what do you want to look up? Documentation, sources, ...? |
| 19:11.25 | jmcnaught | pflanze: i'm not that familiar with qmail. what kind of errors are you getting on the client when you try to send? What do the corresponding logs look like on the server? |
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| 19:11.46 | dFence | hey guys! |
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| 19:12.13 | jmcnaught | pflanze: also for the cert issues, why not just get an SSL cert? I think startssl.com still has free ones |
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| 19:12.50 | placko | I have custom keybinding in my ~/.xpdfrc http://paste.debian.net/300429/ It was working OK while running Squeeze, In Jessie it does not work. |
| 19:13.03 | dFence | Theoretical scenario: I have a cname entry for one of my subdomains (smtp.aaa.com) that points to the actual mailserver (mail.bbb.com); when mail clients try to connect to smtp.aaa.com via SMTPS, will they see an error because the certificates CN doesnât match or will smtp.aaa.com be resolved to mail.bbb.com first? |
| 19:13.04 | pflanze | jmcnaught, I'll have to see again (I set it up a couple weeks ago). IIRC there were no useful messages really. Also, I think it might be best to get a client for the desktop first, as perhaps that might help. |
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| 19:14.10 | pflanze | dFence, why aren't you using an MX instead of cname entry? |
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| 19:14.45 | pflanze | dFence, ah, mail clients as in IMAP? |
| 19:14.46 | dFence | pflanze: MX is set to mail.bbb.com, the RFC forbids CNAMES. Itâs just cosmetics - I have a client thatâs a bit⦠particular |
| 19:14.50 | dFence | pflanze: correct |
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| 19:15.13 | pflanze | No idea. |
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| 19:15.21 | pflanze | I'm fighting with this kind of stuff myself right now. |
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| 19:15.43 | dFence | mail clients such as thunderbird would be MUAs, right? still struggling with the terminology myself |
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| 19:15.46 | jmcnaught | pflanze: for anyone to help you with this type of issue, they'll need to know about errors and log messages |
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| 19:16.15 | greenman | okay |
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| 19:16.30 | pflanze | jmcnaught, yes, sure. I was more trying to get an idea how people are handling their outgoing mail. |
| 19:16.42 | greenman | TJ-: I diffed the two modules lists and they are the same |
| 19:17.05 | pflanze | I'll try again and report back. |
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| 19:17.12 | jmcnaught | pflanze: i use postfix, it's pretty great |
| 19:17.20 | greenman | TJ-: so then I checked the log of the update-initramfs command and it does indeed add those two modules to initrd image... |
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| 19:17.43 | greenman | TJ-: loop-mount? |
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| 19:19.02 | pflanze | jmcnaught, perhas that's fair point about startssl.com (the nice thing about using your own and accepting it explicitely though is that it's like cert pinning, can't be fooled). |
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| 19:19.23 | pflanze | (Assumes you're the only user of course :) |
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| 19:26.28 | YobiTech | hi |
| 19:26.49 | YobiTech | i installed a linux machine a few days ago |
| 19:27.05 | YobiTech | and i cant understand why i cant run scripts |
| 19:27.08 | YobiTech | goes like this |
| 19:27.15 | YobiTech | root@yobitech:/var/minecraft# ./start.sh |
| 19:27.15 | YobiTech | -su: ./start.sh: Permission denied |
| 19:27.15 | YobiTech | root@yobitech:/var/minecraft# ./start.sh |
| 19:27.15 | YobiTech | -su: ./start.sh: Permission denied |
| 19:27.15 | YobiTech | root@yobitech:/var/minecraft# ./start.sh |
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| 19:27.30 | YobiTech | root@yobitech:/var/minecraft# ./start.sh |
| 19:27.31 | YobiTech | -su: ./start.sh: Permission denied |
| 19:27.37 | valdyn | YobiTech: chmod +x start.sh |
| 19:27.48 | koollman | and stop spamming the same message :) |
| 19:27.50 | YobiTech | doesnt that chmod only that file? |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | Yes, it only chmods that one file. |
| 19:28.07 | markybob | should be all you need. try it |
| 19:28.09 | YobiTech | sorry for the spam, i wasnt sure it pasted |
| 19:28.18 | greycat | Also make sure your /var file system is NOT mounted with "noexec", but that's a less common thing. |
| 19:28.23 | YobiTech | but how can that be? im logged in as root |
| 19:28.26 | markybob | and for fuck's sake, don't run it as root as you |
| 19:28.46 | valdyn | YobiTech: bash does that, even to root, you need +x |
| 19:28.48 | YobiTech | i run it by root allways... |
| 19:28.57 | markybob | you're being stupid |
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| 19:29.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's a civil way of saying that. |
| 19:29.08 | YobiTech | maybe... |
| 19:29.15 | markybob | no, definitely |
| 19:29.20 | markybob | don't run it as root |
| 19:29.23 | YobiTech | still maybe :)) |
| 19:29.33 | YobiTech | teach me, master! |
| 19:29.36 | greycat | It would be wiser to run your minecraft server as a dedicated account that can't damage the rest of the system, in case it has some unknown security hole etc. |
| 19:29.41 | valdyn | i think its a legitimate question, bash could support running stuff without +x, but it does not. |
| 19:29.42 | jpereiran | hid3, someone know if is possible to have the depends like Depends: libperl18 | libperl20? |
| 19:29.49 | YobiTech | i didnt say i was a pro user still...i allways ran it like that |
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| 19:30.31 | YobiTech | when i installed the system i installed just the webserver and something else... |
| 19:30.33 | valdyn | jpereiran: of course that is possible |
| 19:30.40 | YobiTech | i didnt install the utilities and other stuff |
| 19:30.54 | YobiTech | last time it worked, was that +X that you are saying in that package? |
| 19:31.10 | valdyn | YobiTech: its not a capital x |
| 19:31.14 | markybob | YobiTech, chmod +x (lower case) is in bash |
| 19:31.21 | markybob | YobiTech, you have it |
| 19:31.22 | valdyn | YobiTech: and we dont know what you had in the past |
| 19:31.46 | jpereiran | valdyn, I can't figure out about the best practice.... e.g: I have the https://github.com/FreeRADIUS/freeradius-server/blob/v3.0.x/debian/control and building in my system with libperl5.20... but i can't run in old system with libperl5.18 |
| 19:31.53 | YobiTech | last time=with graphics, web server, utilities(defaults) |
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| 19:33.00 | YobiTech | ./start.sh: 4: cd: can't cd to /var/server |
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| 19:33.08 | YobiTech | ok went past that now to this |
| 19:33.14 | jpereiran | valdyn, do you have some suggestion? for the package "freeradius" we don't declare anything about the libperl... but the misc: or dist: probably add the libperlXX depends.. my question is: "how to force the could be a version X or Y", eg: libperl5.18 | libperl5.20 |
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| 19:33.19 | jpereiran | valdyn, got it? |
| 19:33.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | chown /var/server |
| 19:33.30 | greycat | I suspect /var/server doesn't exist |
| 19:33.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's unclear what you're trying to do. |
| 19:33.38 | valdyn | jpereiran: yea, but i dont have any clue about creating debian packages |
| 19:33.55 | greycat | I think the intent is clear, but what he's done *so far* vs. what he was supposed to do is not clear at all. |
| 19:34.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | if /var/server didn't exist i'd expect No such file or directory |
| 19:34.05 | YobiTech | i got a script which i can start manually or can be loaded by crontab each 12 hours |
| 19:34.08 | jpereiran | valdyn, tks |
| 19:34.12 | jpereiran | anyone could help? |
| 19:34.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | YobiTech: what user does the script run as? |
| 19:34.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | chown user:group /var/server |
| 19:34.34 | varaindemian | after enableling Jessi backports I have my brightness reset every time I reboot (Intel HD 5500 grphics) |
| 19:34.37 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: well, if it's permissions you get "Permission denied", so the script trapped the original error and spat out this vague string instead. |
| 19:34.40 | YobiTech | when i want to run it manually doesnt work and neither crontab apparently cuz it has been running for 48 hours now and it hasnt run yet |
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| 19:34.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, true |
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| 19:35.26 | YobiTech | ok the user part is a great ideea cuz i made it run by a specific user so i didnt create it...RIIIIGHT |
| 19:36.17 | markybob | YobiTech, no one here understands what you've done/are doing. listen to greycat. does that folder exist and is it owned by the user? not root |
| 19:36.30 | varaindemian | anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 19:37.12 | YobiTech | yes it does |
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| 19:37.27 | markybob | varaindemian, is it owned by the user? |
| 19:37.30 | YobiTech | the name is irelevant |
| 19:37.43 | markybob | no...the user is everything |
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| 19:38.45 | YobiTech | so if i want to use it with root, regardless you said not to...how to i do it? |
| 19:38.57 | YobiTech | chown root /var/server ? |
| 19:39.02 | markybob | i'm not going to help you do something stupid |
| 19:39.17 | markybob | moral thing. sorry. |
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| 19:39.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | i second that. |
| 19:39.48 | YobiTech | please spare me the moral thing....im not in the mood for that after coming tired from work |
| 19:40.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | you shouldn't run things as root. |
| 19:40.09 | YobiTech | ok then |
| 19:40.15 | YobiTech | tell me how not to... |
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| 19:40.34 | voidstar | rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 19:40.35 | YobiTech | if you please want to |
| 19:40.37 | voidstar | please dont ban me |
| 19:40.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | voidstar++; |
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| 19:41.19 | YobiTech | besides i dont have any specific groups setup |
| 19:41.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | every user is, by default, a member of the group with the same name as the user. |
| 19:41.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's nothing to set up. |
| 19:41.56 | jelly | markybob: could you cut down on your "stupid", "doing it wrong" and "ffs"? Thanks. |
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| 19:42.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's also wheel, which is set up for you by default. |
| 19:42.28 | markybob | jelly, probably not. |
| 19:42.44 | varaindemian | markybob: ye |
| 19:42.47 | jelly | markybob: okey, but don't act surprised if you get muted :-) |
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| 19:43.14 | markybob | i've been here for 15+ yrs. not banned once. sure you can mute me if you want |
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| 19:44.58 | greycat | YobiTech: if the directory /var/server exists but is not owned by the account that will be running the server, then PERHAPS(!) what you want to do is "chown -R someuser /var/server" but you should DEFINITELY(!) follow the directions that came with this server. We don't know it. |
| 19:44.58 | markybob | jelly, i did answer you like half a second before that happened, fyi |
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| 19:46.18 | markybob | jelly, someone running a game server as root is stupid. i don't see how you could claim that i was wrong. |
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| 19:46.36 | greycat | markybob: it's about diplomacy. Call it unwise. |
| 19:46.43 | greycat | Call it a bad idea. |
| 19:46.53 | YobiTech | basicly what that script will do is cd /var/server and run a script in there |
| 19:47.14 | markybob | greycat, i can do that. okay. |
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| 19:48.18 | YobiTech | i had setup crontab to run that script each 12 hrs to restart software im working on |
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| 19:48.50 | YobiTech | that script has cd /var/server and screen java application |
| 19:48.54 | jelly | markybob: things have changed in 15 years, we're more PC and mainstream and should I say grown up not to need "<markybob> well...you did it wrong", even when the user is doing something fucking stupid |
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| 19:49.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, there's a difference between calling an idea stupid and calling the person espousing it stupid. |
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| 19:49.50 | jelly | nod |
| 19:50.01 | YobiTech | markybob: sorry but im not going to do something proffesional on that machine, for now...maybe later, right now i need it for testing |
| 19:50.16 | jmcnaught | YobiTech: this software you're trying to install, does it have an INSTALL or README file that talks about the paths that need to be accessible to the software? |
| 19:50.50 | YobiTech | it has nothing to do with an install or readme, its a java software im developing |
| 19:50.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | it seems that he's developing itself. |
| 19:51.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/itself/it himself/ |
| 19:51.21 | YobiTech | and i need it to be accessible for writting and running 24/7 each time i have a coulple of minutes i wan write code |
| 19:51.25 | YobiTech | from anywhere |
| 19:51.30 | jelly | !slap voidstar |
| 19:51.30 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across voidstar's face |
| 19:51.32 | greycat | This calls for a very different set of answers. |
| 19:51.55 | markybob | this is ridiculous because i do "stupid fucking things" all the time and don't feel hurt when people call me out on it. i stll help them. people who call me out help me. i guess it's more PC now...that's annoying :/ i'll make an effort |
| 19:51.58 | YobiTech | like what? |
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| 19:52.07 | greycat | If you're trying to write an "always on" service, then the simplest way is to write a little /bin/sh script that simply does while true; do ./yourserver ; done |
| 19:52.20 | jmcnaught | YobiTech: oh i see. so this is going to be accessible over the internet? Definitely don't run it as root in that case. |
| 19:52.29 | greycat | Then run that one time, at boot (there are like 4 different ways to accomplish that, one of them being @reboot in crontab) |
| 19:53.03 | voidstar | is knocked from his chair, flying across his room into the fish tank filled with his beloved fishy |
| 19:53.19 | YobiTech | i made some scripts for starting/restarting/checkinng the process if its rnning |
| 19:53.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | another way is to write a systemd service fil with Restart=on-failure or something |
| 19:53.20 | greycat | If you want fancier, we can give fancier answers. |
| 19:53.37 | YobiTech | starting script is somehow redundant |
| 19:53.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | much easier than writing init scripts, which is basically what you did. |
| 19:53.44 | jmcnaught | YobiTech: you could also create a systemd service unit using the Restart= directive to keep it running |
| 19:53.47 | YobiTech | but checking it happens in crontab each 12 hrs |
| 19:53.56 | greycat | Don't use crontab to *check* it. |
| 19:54.15 | greycat | Write it so that it always restarts itself, either using the while loop, or by using systemd, etc. |
| 19:54.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | maybe he wants it to stay unaccessible for up to 12 hours at a time. |
| 19:54.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/un/in/ |
| 19:54.48 | greycat | if you want a delay before it respawns, you can add a sleep command |
| 19:54.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | one man's bug is another man's feature :P |
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| 19:55.21 | YobiTech | oh sorry i meant it restarts the process each 12 hrs for bug auto bug reports and checks for running proccess each 2 minutes |
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| 19:55.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | cron job should just call systemctl <servicename> restart |
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| 19:56.10 | greycat | YobiTech: if you write it as a systemd service, restarting it every 12 hours through crontab becomes VERY easy because you don't have to do backflips to find the PID and so on. |
| 19:56.28 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... is there a way to add metasploit to debian repo ? |
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| 19:56.48 | YobiTech | well it doesnt check for PID |
| 19:57.05 | greycat | Please tell me you didn't use killall. |
| 19:57.15 | YobiTech | as long as its a single java/screen started with that process its useless to look for the PID |
| 19:57.29 | greycat | You used killall. Or pkill. :( |
| 19:57.43 | greycat | Or even worse, "ps auxw | grep ". |
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| 19:58.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | doesn't understand the hate for killall |
| 19:58.23 | YobiTech | case "$(pidof java | wc -w)" in |
| 19:58.26 | jelly | pkill is usually good enough, with -u, and if the service is the only thing run as that user |
| 19:58.33 | greycat | A process's "name" does not uniquely or safely identify it. |
| 19:58.46 | YobiTech | and in case the process is doubled it kills it |
| 19:58.47 | YobiTech | kill $(pidof java | awk '{print $1}') |
| 19:59.05 | jelly | YobiTech: pgrep and pkill are a bit saner than pidof and killall or hacks like that |
| 19:59.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | what, you mean his software isn't the only thing that runs under the jvm?! :P |
| 19:59.17 | greycat | jelly: not *much*... |
| 19:59.36 | jelly | they have provisions to be used sanely |
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| 20:00.26 | YobiTech | probably, but ive been using it for like 5 months now and it was the fastest way i understood i can make at that time |
| 20:00.45 | YobiTech | and this was the first time in 5 months that i reinstalled the system |
| 20:00.49 | greycat | If the service is of any importance whatsoever, I would definitely set it up as a manageable service, either through systemd or some older/simpler equivalent like daemontools. |
| 20:01.26 | giuseppe_ | greycat what's wrong with killall ? |
| 20:01.26 | greycat | It is well worth the time to learn how to write simple service definitions, if you are administering a server. |
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| 20:02.09 | greycat | giuseppe_: you can run a program under a false name. Or two users may run the same program. |
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| 20:02.48 | YobiTech | any suggestion for a starting point in service definitions? i will take a look and case study |
| 20:02.51 | giuseppe_ | greycat... so what's the right way to kill a process ? |
| 20:03.03 | giuseppe_ | greycat any idea on how to add metasploit to debian repos ? |
| 20:03.22 | greycat | giuseppe_: For any serious work, write it as a systemd service so you can do "systemctl stop your.service" and so on. |
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| 20:07.12 | karlpinc` | YobiTech: You could "locate '*.service'" and pick one you're intrested in and go from there. The man pages are not bad. |
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| 20:08.21 | YobiTech | ok will work on that and check in some other time, i have work tomorrow to and will quit for now |
| 20:08.44 | YobiTech | thanks to all for all the great help |
| 20:09.07 | YobiTech | have a great one, bye |
