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| 00:13.37 | Vasistha | I did mkfs.ext4 -T largefile on a 2 TB partition, and dumpe2fs reports a Block size of 4096, which seems rather small. Why is this? |
| 00:17.16 | Brigo | Vasistha, i think there is no -T largefile option but -T huge_file ( and it is used by default) |
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| 00:18.12 | Vasistha | Brigo: hmm. I used mkfs.ext4 without -T on a 1.7 TB partition, and that one also has Block size 4096, although it has a much higher inode count. |
| 00:18.19 | Brigo | Vasistha, not by default (only if the filesytem is larger than 16T. |
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| 00:18.48 | Brigo | Vasistha, try -T huge_file |
| 00:19.17 | Vasistha | Brigo: Creating filesystem with 524809728 4k blocks and 131203072 inodes |
| 00:20.01 | Vasistha | Brigo: I'm using jessie here... and I don't see huge_file or hugefile in /etc/mke2fs.conf, although there is a huge |
| 00:20.06 | Brigo | Vasistha, that option seems to be for support of filesystem larger of 16T. |
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| 00:21.20 | Brigo | Vasistha, i see it: http://paste.debian.net/304660/ |
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| 00:22.21 | Vasistha | Brigo: maybe it's because of extents, there's no longer a need for large block size? |
| 00:23.14 | Brigo | Vasistha, not sure, i do have large_file in my root ext4 filesystem dumpe2fs |
| 00:23.29 | Vasistha | Brigo: what block size does it report? |
| 00:23.42 | Brigo | 4096 |
| 00:24.04 | Brigo | http://paste.debian.net/304661/ |
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| 00:25.51 | jmcnaught | Brigo: Vasistha: the "huge_files" bit in the "ext4" fs_type in /etc/mke2fs.conf is in a features line, which means it will be passed as part of -O to mke2fs. |
| 00:25.56 | Vasistha | Brigo: thanks :) well I guess I'm just not gonna worry about it, and while I'm at it simply make one partition instead of 2 because there's no point making a separate partition for large files if both have the same block size |
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| 00:26.39 | jmcnaught | The -T option of mke2fs is looking for one of those fs_types. So you could edit one of those types, or add one with the features/options you want to use |
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| 00:27.29 | Brigo | Vasistha, http://askubuntu.com/questions/265865/format-partition-to-what-block-size-for-photos-only <-- check the last answer. |
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| 00:27.58 | jmcnaught | more details are in mke2fs.conf(5 |
| 00:28.01 | jmcnaught | ) |
| 00:28.33 | Brigo | but -c option is documented ... |
| 00:29.09 | Brigo | and from the man page: -b block-size |
| 00:29.09 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.09 | Brigo | which require that the blocksize be a multiple of 2k. |
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| 00:32.20 | Vasistha | fascinating stuff - glad I asked, thanks guys. I'm satisfied now that 4K block size is good for ext4, and I can stop worrying about this stuff and just generally use the defaults when formatting. |
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| 00:41.45 | mmalter | Hello everybody. I can't find opensmtpd in jessie... I thought it was very popular. Am I missing something like a change in the name? Could you help me? |
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| 00:43.39 | abrotman | mmalter: you'd have to backport it |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | judd: versions opensmtpd |
| 00:43.51 | judd | Package: opensmtpd on amd64 -- sid: 5.4.2p1-4; stretch: 5.4.2p1-4 |
| 00:44.35 | mmalter | oh ok fine |
| 00:45.12 | mmalter | the only reason why I am asking is because apparently nobody really cares on the internet and I was quite shocked to not see it in stable. |
| 00:45.17 | mmalter | Anyway thanks a lot |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | uhm okay |
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| 00:48.05 | jmcnaught | mmalter: it looks like it will be in debian stable eventually, as long as the maintainers of the package have enough or help. it's fairly new, and debian does have quite a few other MTA options. This command will show you a list of your options: aptitude search "?provides(mail-transport-agent)" |
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| 00:50.59 | mmalter | yes it was always in unstable actually. I'll investigate/see what I can do. Thanks. I did not know about this feature in aptitude. |
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| 00:51.27 | chainsaw10 | anyone know how to get a second monitor to scale properly if the primary is HiDPI and the other isn't? |
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| 00:54.51 | mmalter | chainsaw10 afaik, X has no way to fix the size of your applications. You would have to do it for each application, creating some sort of hook for what appears on the second screen. |
| 00:55.11 | mmalter | Some tiling window managers can achieve that, with a lot of effort though |
| 00:55.22 | chainsaw10 | is there some way to scale the whole monitor? |
| 00:56.02 | mmalter | I am not sure what you mean by that now. Is it that your applications look tiny because of high dpi? |
| 00:57.00 | zinx | X doesn't handle differing DPIs very well, but [un]fortunately pretty much all modern monitors are ~100dpi |
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| 01:04.00 | chainsaw10 | I have all my applications scaled up by a factor of 2. On my second monitor, they appear twice as big as they should be. I saw a suggestion to use xrandr to scale the second monitor by rendering at double the size, then scaling it to fit on the actual monitor, but that failed. My pointer was stuck in the upper quadrant of the screen, and I gave up for the day. |
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| 01:04.16 | chainsaw10 | I was hoping someone here might have some experience with this. |
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| 01:05.53 | ilken | I cannot get ipv6 link global, i get the fe inet address but ipv6 addresses time out, i have inet6 in /etc/network/interfaces, it worked before i reinstalled and it works on my phone i cannot remember how i fixed it last time, i have tried every 1st page google result too..., , ANY HALP? |
| 01:05.58 | Vasistha | chainsaw10: pretty uncommon configuration I think ... I will note that the --transform option to xrandr can do a lot |
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| 01:08.15 | chainsaw10 | Vasistha: might look into that. Just looked at the article I had read before again. It had a command that set up "panning". I removed that part and just set each display to --auto. Works now as I would expect, just with the external monitor a tad blurry due to scaledown. |
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| 01:08.59 | chainsaw10 | command I used was xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto |
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| 01:09.04 | Vasistha | chainsaw10: so the apps themselves are scaling up, and thus making everything look nice? |
| 01:09.18 | karlpinc | ilken: IIRC you need both the interface up and link before the kernel sets up a ipv6 link local address. |
| 01:09.41 | workxep | TIL... simply having encrpyted swap using a key file doesn't work because the rootfs isn't mounted on resume... solution: use LVM. |
| 01:09.47 | Vasistha | chainsaw10: any time you are trying to run different pixel densities at the same time..... there's gonna be some difficulty there, I think |
| 01:09.53 | chainsaw10 | Vasistha: yes. I had to configure it for each of the apps. GTK 3 apps work well, and Chromium & Firefox needed special config. Everything else is a lost cause at the moment, unless it has a scaling option |
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| 01:10.12 | chainsaw10 | And yes -- there's some difficult here :) |
| 01:10.13 | workxep | fortunately I haven't gotten far with this install as I've been busy, so might as well nuke it all and red it right |
| 01:10.16 | chainsaw10 | *difficulty |
| 01:10.25 | karlpinc | workxep: Not very secure if you have a key file right there. |
| 01:10.36 | workxep | karlpinc: how is it insecure if the keyfile is on an encrypted drive? |
| 01:10.48 | workxep | it's insecure if you use the cpio hack and load it into unencrypted /boot |
| 01:10.50 | karlpinc | workxep: Ah. You didn't mention that. |
| 01:11.05 | karlpinc | workxep: I ssh in and supply a key at boot. |
| 01:11.15 | workxep | ack. or you could even "two factor" and use a USB stick |
| 01:11.25 | karlpinc | workxep: yubikey |
| 01:11.28 | workxep | this is just a work laptop and I think I'm the only "paranoid" at work who encrypts their laptop |
| 01:11.38 | workxep | I also hate built-in BIOS SSD encryption for various reasons |
| 01:11.58 | karlpinc | workxep: ack |
| 01:12.12 | workxep | mainly it kills data recovery since it's tied into the TPM |
| 01:12.48 | workxep | karlpinc: oh I have a yubikey somewhere, back when the company was experimenting with those for VPN. it was annoying for VPN'ing on a mobile device as it required an OTG rig |
| 01:12.58 | workxep | now we're using LoginTC |
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| 01:13.21 | chainsaw10 | thanks Vasistha |
| 01:13.24 | workxep | but yeah, I've been meaning to use it for something like that |
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| 01:13.47 | ilken | yeha i get the link local, its the link:global address i am missing |
| 01:13.55 | ilken | karlpinc |
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| 01:14.00 | workxep | chainsaw10, Vasistha, sorry if I ran over your convo. karlpinc, I do appreciate it when people try to poke holes in my ideas/theories just in case, thanks! |
| 01:14.21 | karlpinc | workxep: It's the nature of irc. |
| 01:14.33 | chainsaw10 | workxep, I think you're good, as karlpinc pointed out. |
| 01:14.44 | workxep | ya that it is... cheers |
| 01:14.45 | Vasistha | workxep: don't worry, that's what color displays and nick highlighting are for |
| 01:15.15 | calher | Ew, someone's name is malloc. |
| 01:15.23 | karlpinc | ilken: Humm. Don't know about that. Does dmesg say anything? I always thought that came somewhere, somehow, from the MAC address. |
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| 01:15.31 | workxep | calher: I met strlen in real life |
| 01:15.41 | workxep | man that was a long time ago .... yeesh |
| 01:15.44 | ilken | i will check that |
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| 01:16.49 | calher | hey beefcake |
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| 01:18.39 | karlpinc | workxep: LVM's the answer I use. One key for the whole drive and make it a pv, done. |
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| 01:51.14 | chainsaw10 | hey, in case anyone's wondering. I actually need the xrandr command xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --scale 2x2 --auto . The other one depended on an effect from a previous command. |
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| 02:04.28 | Fidy | Hello. I recently downloaded Debian 8.1. Whenever I go to install it to my Ultrabook it loads into grub, can someone help me get the live image started? |
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| 02:07.29 | jessu | hi all :) |
| 02:07.32 | dvs | Fidy: It's suppose to "load into grub" |
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| 02:09.38 | zykotick9 | notes the install cd doesn't use grub... |
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| 02:17.00 | Vasistha | Fidy: so you haven't been able to get to the debian installer screen? |
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| 02:17.25 | Vasistha | Fidy: have you gone into your boot system setup and checked the boot order, to make sure it is booting the usb key or cd or whatever, before the HDD? |
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| 02:19.02 | calher | mpv won't play |
| 02:19.12 | calher | it always freezes on the first frame |
| 02:19.18 | calher | wtf |
| 02:20.06 | zykotick9 | calher: mpv works fine here? good luck. |
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| 02:20.53 | markybob | Fidy, you probably just have to hit f12 on boot. or f2. |
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| 02:22.06 | abrotman | or use the regular installer |
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| 02:22.35 | calher | nobody can help me |
| 02:22.38 | calher | shiii |
| 02:22.57 | calher | I'm going to turn into a terrorist. |
| 02:23.06 | markybob | wtf dude |
| 02:23.58 | somiaj | calher: is it a paticular media file that freezes or have you tried avrious media files? |
| 02:24.04 | aedinius | Hm. Think there's any mmoney in cyber terrorism? |
| 02:24.21 | Vasistha | yes. |
| 02:24.46 | somiaj | aedinius: either way this is not the place to disscus it. |
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| 02:25.31 | aedinius | k |
| 02:28.23 | siradam | calher: chill out please. when you run from command line what does it say? please copy to pastebin, and just give us the link. is there a specific one this channel uses? i'm new here |
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| 02:28.27 | Fidy | Vasistha: Yes I have, and this particular GRUB is 2.02 minimum bash and what now. |
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| 02:29.42 | Vasistha | Fidy: what now is to give a more detailed description about what the previous state of the computer was, and exactly what you have done up to this point |
| 02:29.57 | calher | somiaj: Multiple files. |
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| 02:30.22 | Vasistha | Fidy: did it have windows or some different flavor of linux installed, or something else? What medium are you using for the installation? how did you put the installer onto that medium? |
| 02:31.16 | Fidy | Vasistha: It just got CBpp installed about 24 hours before hand. It is a ASUS Ultrabook X205TA and the kernel in CBpp would not support the internal wifi. So I'm trying to get something else to use as my OS. Either EFI, or secure book is jacking the whole process up and I have almost no experience with either (at this point). |
| 02:31.26 | calher | siradam: http://hastebin.com/raw/qosutojove |
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| 02:31.47 | Fidy | Vasistha: I have a usb for the medium and Rufus was the way I loaded the usb. |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | use the regular installer, not the liveCD |
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| 02:32.48 | Vasistha | Fidy: okay that's all really useful! So CBpp - I assume that's another distro, haven't looked it up yet - is booting fine, but you just can't get wifi working. And that's why you're trying to install debian? |
| 02:32.49 | i00nsu | Hello! I need to add any mirror so I can download normal software from debian.org. My source.list only have CDROM sources. |
| 02:32.59 | Vasistha | !mirrors |
| 02:32.59 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:33.03 | somiaj | i00nsu: what version of debian do you run? |
| 02:33.13 | i00nsu | somiaj: jessie |
| 02:33.23 | somiaj | !tell i00nsu about jessie sources.list |
| 02:33.23 | Fidy | Vasistha: CBpp is CrunchbangPlusPlus, a Debian base distro that has been discontinued. |
| 02:33.42 | somiaj | i00nsu: that should give you the info you need, check for a pm from the bot dpkg |
| 02:33.56 | Fidy | Vasistha: They said CBpp was built on Jessie, but there is almost no support for the Ultrabook devices I need drivers for. |
| 02:34.34 | Vasistha | i00nsu: here's my sources.list you can use as a reference point: http://paste.debian.net/304680/ |
| 02:35.07 | Vasistha | I actually deletes sources.list and use sources.list.d, this is the kernelorg.list file... |
| 02:35.10 | markybob | if people would just listen to abrotman .... |
| 02:35.36 | phix | markybob: The world would be a nicer place to live in? |
| 02:36.10 | somiaj | he was just saying if the machine needs efi boot, then use an offical installer and disable secure boot. The live images do not support efi. |
| 02:36.11 | Vasistha | Fidy: it may have been based on jessie when jessie was still testing, 12 or 18 months or longer ago. At any rate, sounds like installing the real jessie is probably a better bet for you, although it would *probably* be worth you while to inquire about your wireless radio before going to the trouble |
| 02:36.43 | i00nsu | thank you somiaj |
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| 02:37.19 | Vasistha | Fidy: what's the radio in the wifi card? Do you know? |
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| 02:37.54 | Fidy | Vasistha: Well it still works with CBpp, and yes to an earlier question it was Win8 out of the box. It also had that virus Win10 for about 12 minutes and now I've got CBpp and nothing else will even boot into live mode. |
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| 02:38.04 | Fidy | Vasistha: Some Realtek garbage. |
| 02:38.17 | blackjack | jmcnaught, you there? |
| 02:38.27 | Vasistha | Fidy: well find the model number so you can find out how well it's supported by jessie! |
| 02:38.33 | Vasistha | !realtek |
| 02:38.34 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 02:38.36 | blackjack | i just wanted to ask, what should i put on my sources.list so that if i want to update from 7.8 to version 8.1 of debian |
| 02:38.39 | somiaj | Fidy: the debian live images do not support efi. The offical debian installers install efi just fine, but don't support secure boot last I checked. |
| 02:38.51 | somiaj | !tell blackjack about wheezy->jessie |
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| 02:38.59 | blackjack | thanks i needed that very much |
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| 02:39.02 | blackjack | :) somiaj |
| 02:39.05 | somiaj | blackjack: make sure you read over the release notes and understand the known issues that could occur during the upgrade. |
| 02:39.12 | blackjack | ok |
| 02:39.14 | blackjack | its just a vps |
| 02:39.18 | blackjack | that will be upgraded |
| 02:39.20 | blackjack | ok brb |
| 02:39.24 | somiaj | blackjack: what kind? |
| 02:39.31 | blackjack | openvz |
| 02:39.34 | blackjack | a small one |
| 02:39.44 | blackjack | will that do? Or no? |
| 02:39.45 | Fidy | Vasistha: It comes up as a Realtek semiconductor corp when lsusb is run. |
| 02:39.48 | somiaj | blackjack: doesn't openvz use the host kernel? Upgrades may be an issue in such a situation |
| 02:40.00 | blackjack | yes |
| 02:40.05 | blackjack | i think the kernel is always at 2.6 |
| 02:40.09 | blackjack | is that an issue? |
| 02:40.44 | somiaj | blackjack: I am unsure how much of an issue it will be with the swithc to systemd. You may have to force sysvinit to be installed during the upgrade (this is mentioned in the release notes), but there could be other issues since jessie is designed to run on a much newer kernel. |
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| 02:41.20 | somiaj | blackjack: I'm just a desktop hobbist so I have no experiece, but I belive there could be issues upgrading to jessie on a host that is still running a 2.6 kernel (is it say centos 5 or something like that as the host?) |
| 02:41.25 | Fidy | And I know about the lack of secure boot options, I have that feature switched off as best as I can tell. I mean CBpp took to the HDD so I know that much works. |
| 02:41.27 | Vasistha | Fidy: lsusb -v -s bus:devnum |
| 02:41.57 | somiaj | Fidy: correct, but you wn't be able to use a debian live image for efi boot. |
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| 02:42.31 | Fidy | somiaj: Okay, I'm still pretty new to all of these features. I haven't messed with efi at all up to this point. |
| 02:42.41 | blackjack | somiaj, coz the hosting company's solusVM only provides us debian7, no 8. So my idea was to change the sources.list and maybe (just maybe) it will update fine |
| 02:42.59 | Fidy | Vasistha: That returns nothing. |
| 02:43.08 | blackjack | there is centos 5 yes, as an option. .umm (i really did not get your question tho) |
| 02:43.16 | somiaj | blackjack: it could be that debian 8 won't run on their host. You can of course try, I was just giving you a word of caution. |
| 02:43.20 | Vasistha | Fidy: you have to get the bus num and dev num from the lsusb output |
| 02:43.37 | Vasistha | Fidy: or you can just run lsusb -v but that will return a lot of stuff and you would have to search through it |
| 02:43.43 | markybob | blackjack, you'll be fine |
| 02:44.15 | aedinius | g 2 |
| 02:44.37 | namra | greetings, how does debian (jessie) establish a wireless network connection during the installation (netinst)? because i've got some hardware for which the netinst doesn't ship the required firmware, thus i installed that afterwards. but no i need a way to connect to the wifi. and because the installation is capable of doing so i was wondering how it does so, and if those tools/packages get installed by |
| 02:44.39 | namra | default too. |
| 02:45.24 | somiaj | namra: it uses the debian networking scripts ifup/ifdown which use the /etc/network/interfaces file to make calls to ip, iwconfig, wpa_supplicant as needed |
| 02:45.31 | somiaj | namra: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:45.34 | namra | man interfaces has references to wireless-tools and iwconfig but unfortunately they are not installed by default |
| 02:46.02 | Vasistha | namra: are you able to install them from the cd, or some other way? |
| 02:46.10 | namra | i see thanks |
| 02:46.19 | namra | yes can install them another way |
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| 02:46.35 | namra | hopefully they don't have that many dependencies |
| 02:47.26 | Vasistha | namra: you also may find wicd or networkmanager useful, they greatly simplify the process of connecting to wireless networks, especially encrypted ones. And I believe both have CLI and/or ncurses clients |
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| 02:48.02 | somiaj | blackjack: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#lxc-upgrade-issues -- that is what I rember reading, seems I missrember it applying to openvz hosts/guests, but I thought it may be similar. Somethings you may want to consider |
| 02:48.25 | namra | Vasistha: thank you very much |
| 02:49.00 | somiaj | blackjack: I think the main thing you may have to worry about is switchign to systemd so follow the instructions https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
| 02:49.07 | somiaj | blackjack: and stick with sysvinit. |
| 02:49.40 | somiaj | namra: the interfaces file is actually quite easy to use, takes about 3 lines to configure the card, then just run 'ifup wlan0' and the script does all the calls |
| 02:50.28 | somiaj | though you will need to have wireles-tools and wpa_supplicant installed (for wap networks) |
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| 02:53.24 | siradam | calher, do you have libgl1-mesa-dri and mesa-vdpau-drivers installed? |
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| 02:56.20 | blackjack | ok somiaj. noted |
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| 02:57.18 | calher | siradam: Installing. |
| 02:57.38 | blackjack | somiaj, this is out topic, but on your own pc, what debian version are you using? |
| 02:58.01 | blackjack | and if it is 8, is it w/ systemd or w/o? |
| 02:58.04 | blackjack | heheh. |
| 02:58.27 | somiaj | blackjack: I run jessie on my work laptop as I like a stable system for work, and sid on my desktop (though I'm waiting for the gcc5 transition before I upgrade my sid box) |
| 02:59.11 | somiaj | blackjack: I switched to systemd because I wanted to learn it. Jessie supports both systemd and sysvinit. I would suggest on your openvz guest with an older kernel on the host not switching to systemd as it probabaly won't run |
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| 03:02.47 | iWaldo | ps -x lists a bunch of duplicate processes (e.g. PID 881 /usr/bin/VBoxClient --clipboard and ditto for PID 883). is this just a result of forking on a VM with two vCPUs? |
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| 03:03.18 | jmcnaught | blackjack: hello. i don't really have anything to add to somiaj's advice except that if you are shopping for VPSs, KVM and Xen are more likely to allow you to run your own kernel, which is never an option with openvz. You might also want to check with your hosting provider to see if Debian 8 is supported (or if they've tried) on their service before doing the upgrade. |
| 03:03.42 | calher | I found iWaldo. |
| 03:04.20 | iWaldo | calher: please pay the premium. it isn't free to trademark the 'i' prefix. |
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| 03:04.44 | iWaldo | i am wholly constructed of rounded rectangles. |
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| 03:07.14 | calher | iWaldo: Ha! |
| 03:08.15 | iWaldo | in fact: i comprise over one trillion rounded rectangles. i am the alpha and the omega... rectangle. |
| 03:09.06 | somiaj | iWaldo, calher please stay on topic, which is debian support. |
| 03:09.13 | calher | somiaj: It works! Thanks. |
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| 03:09.34 | jmcnaught | iWaldo: do you mean you see the same PID more than once? or that some programs are running more than once, each instance with its own PID? |
| 03:09.39 | somiaj | calher: woot, though I belive siradam suggested the packages you were missing. |
| 03:09.43 | iWaldo | roger, somiaj. apologies. |
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| 03:10.31 | iWaldo | jmcnaught: the PIDs are not duplicates. each process is running more than once with two PIDs. well, not all of them. only my terminal emulators and the vboxclient stuff. |
| 03:10.37 | calher | somiaj: Oh, right. Thanks, siradam! |
| 03:10.55 | nematode | hello |
| 03:10.56 | iWaldo | i suppose i could test the forking theory by allocating more/fewer vCPUs |
| 03:11.27 | siradam | happy to help |
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| 03:12.30 | iWaldo | jmcnaught: in fact i think i'll do that now. i will return with results |
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| 03:13.12 | t00bs0x | knoppix is based on Debian righ?t |
| 03:13.48 | t00bs0x | it _is_ debian with programs from multiple desktop environ.ents |
| 03:13.49 | ecbrown | let me google that for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix |
| 03:14.17 | t00bs0x | OK well I answered my own question anyways |
| 03:14.32 | t00bs0x | I don't trust my connection enough to Google stuff |
| 03:14.47 | t00bs0x | all my CA certs are self signef |
| 03:14.50 | t00bs0x | signed |
| 03:14.51 | ecbrown | (i actually used duckduckgo) |
| 03:14.58 | t00bs0x | not by me obviously |
| 03:15.19 | t00bs0x | but yeah I think they're actually flashed to my smart cards |
| 03:15.25 | t00bs0x | these fake certs |
| 03:15.40 | somiaj | t00bs0x: do you have a debian support question (knoppix is not supported here) |
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| 03:15.58 | t00bs0x | yeah |
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| 03:16.21 | markybob | t00bs0x, go ahead and ask it... |
| 03:16.23 | t00bs0x | I can't findwhere the certs are stored in knoppiz |
| 03:16.23 | iWaldo | jmcnaught: two processes (different IDs) whether i have 1, 2, or 3 vCPUs |
| 03:16.30 | markybob | jesus |
| 03:16.33 | ecbrown | gevalt |
| 03:16.41 | t00bs0x | I know Firefox uses its own certs |
| 03:16.45 | somiaj | t00bs0x: as I said we do not support knoppix, please use their support. |
| 03:16.54 | t00bs0x | but thesystem-stored onsz |
| 03:17.01 | t00bs0x | it is based on y |
| 03:17.05 | t00bs0x | on debian |
| 03:17.10 | somiaj | !tell t00bs0x about knoppix |
| 03:17.21 | somiaj | !tell t00bs0x about based on debian |
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| 03:17.30 | iWaldo | !tell me about knoppix |
| 03:18.07 | somiaj | iWaldo: hint: /msg dpkg knoppix |
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| 03:19.04 | iWaldo | somiaj: !tell me worked! |
| 03:19.16 | iWaldo | is me |
| 03:19.41 | somiaj | iWaldo: I know, just saying you can msg the bot directly as opposed to saying it in here. (: |
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| 03:21.04 | iWaldo | anywho, i have tested the only thing i can think of (which isn't much!) re: duplicate processes. i have two processes running for each terminal emulator and for each VBoxClient --option. this is true if i allocate 1, 2, or 3 vCPUs in virtualbox |
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| 03:21.49 | jmcnaught | iWaldo: still two virtualbox related processes? it might say somewhere oin the virtual box website, i bet it has more to do with number of running guests than how many vCPUs |
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| 03:22.33 | somiaj | iWaldo: are you sure you just aren't seeing clidern processes as opposed to forked or new processes? |
| 03:22.45 | iWaldo | jmcnaught: i've asked in #vbox (seems quiet at the moment). i'll check out the vbox docs, but i am only running one guest. |
| 03:23.08 | somiaj | iWaldo: try 'ps fax' this way you can see childern procces which usually have a similar pid |
| 03:23.16 | somiaj | (well see how they are releated in more a tree) |
| 03:23.49 | markybob | i've had better luck in #vbox-dev...but you might get bitched out :P |
| 03:23.53 | iWaldo | they are children it seems |
| 03:23.58 | iWaldo | is that normal? |
| 03:24.12 | siradam | i'm just tuning in, but perhaps pstree |
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| 03:25.23 | i00nsu | the boot scripts like iptables rules, should be chmod +x ? |
| 03:25.47 | somiaj | i00nsu: for sysvinit scripts yes, they are just bash scripts |
| 03:25.51 | markybob | i00nsu, every script should be +x. not every config |
| 03:25.53 | jmcnaught | iWaldo: it's a normal thing for applications to do, i don't know if it's normal for virtuabox but i wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 03:26.22 | iWaldo | maybe i've only just noticed because i recently switched to urxvt. the vbox stuff probably wouldn't have bothered me if it were the only symptom. every terminal i spawn has two PIDs (which is new to me) |
| 03:26.45 | i00nsu | sure.. config files have no sense at all |
| 03:26.51 | i00nsu | thanks! |
| 03:27.19 | markybob | iWaldo, are you considering the ps part of it? |
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| 03:27.56 | iWaldo | markybob: nope! please enlighten me! (i'm not a professional) \ |
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| 03:28.46 | markybob | iWaldo, i was just confused about what you meant. still confused. sorry :/ |
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| 03:31.24 | i00nsu | what tool I should use to transfer files from / with ssh connections? |
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| 03:31.36 | somiaj | i00nsu: I like rsync |
| 03:31.40 | iWaldo | markybob: the situation is this: every time i run ps -x, i see two processes for things that appear to be identical (VBoxClient --option and x-terminal-emulator). if i run ps with a forrest option i can see that, in these cases, the second process is a child of the first process (internally forked i believe?). this is probably normal according to some of the users here (and i trust their opinions) |
| 03:31.56 | somiaj | i00nsu: it can make mirros, including permissions and the likes, along with only transfer files which are different. |
| 03:32.08 | somiaj | i00nsu: scp if you just have a few files you want to copy is another option. |
| 03:32.53 | iWaldo | also, thanks to jmcnaught and somiaj (notwithstanding somiaj's iHate) |
| 03:32.58 | markybob | i00nsu, definitely rsync |
| 03:33.58 | nematode | i00nsu: other options are tar or pax, which support streaming and piping, but I also like rsync |
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| 03:39.44 | i00nsu | tar? :)) I will check both ( rsync & scp ) |
| 03:39.55 | i00nsu | tks xD |
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| 03:41.09 | markybob | somiaj, why use scp over rsync? |
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| 03:42.04 | somiaj | markybob: Maybe just habbit, I prefer it for small copies of a few files. I use rsync for copying full directories |
| 03:42.58 | Vasistha | iWaldo: I have a hunch those forks happen for threaded apps |
| 03:43.10 | Vasistha | maybe I should have said multi-threaded apps |
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| 03:43.43 | jmcnaught | i00nsu: what kind of files are you moving? |
| 03:44.39 | i00nsu | is done! .. I use scp over ssh.. just few small txt\sh files |
| 03:45.25 | iWaldo | Vasistha: would that depend on how many cores are available? |
| 03:45.34 | markybob | iWaldo, no |
| 03:45.36 | markybob | i00nsu, if you need to keep doing it...keep it updated...nothing beats rsync -a |
| 03:45.46 | Vasistha | he beat me to it |
| 03:45.48 | jmcnaught | i00nsu: if it's a small collection of files that require editing and resending from time to time, i would look into using git |
| 03:46.13 | iWaldo | Vasistha, markybob: thanks |
| 03:47.18 | Vasistha | iWaldo: I programmed a multi-threaded app once; each thread was using a proxy to download something, and the proxies were slow, so it was really useful to have multiple threads. The fact that there was only one processor was irrelevant; multiple threads were very useful in that situation. |
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| 03:52.46 | nematode | although in this case unblocking I/O with polling would also have worked in a non-threaded process (as it was I/O bound, not CPU-bound), but if the number of connections is not prohibitive, threading is a good and simple solution with blocking-I/O indeed |
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| 03:54.37 | i00nsu | yes, I am going to test rsync .. I remember I need to upload some zip files... some of them with 300MB |
| 03:55.17 | jmcnaught | there's a useful variation of the "ps fax" command that somiaj recommended earlier that I read about in Lennart Poettering's blog about systemd: "ps xawf -eo pid,user,cgroup,args". This shows the cgroup that each process belongs to. "systemd-cgls" can be used to see a tree of processes organized by cgroup hierarchy as well. |
| 03:55.26 | jmcnaught | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-2.html |
| 03:55.44 | markybob | i00nsu, then use -z (compress) |
| 03:55.53 | markybob | might help |
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| 03:58.33 | vecciora | I've sent an email to debian-user@lists.debian.org 18 hours ago, but still not replied. |
| 03:59.10 | markybob | vecciora, no one's paid. what's your question? |
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| 03:59.47 | vecciora | markybob: Yes, I know that. This is my question: http://pastebin.com/ehCfVVBh. |
| 04:00.05 | rootd00d | eh... are NL-SAS dual-port drives? i.e. can be used for fail-over? |
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| 04:01.56 | markybob | vecciora, i don't use kde on principle so i don't know how to help. sorry. |
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| 04:03.13 | vecciora | markybob: Okay. |
| 04:03.18 | vecciora | Maybe I should just report the bug without choosing a package? |
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| 04:04.30 | jmcnaught | vecciora: you can figure out which package the files belong to with "dpkg -S /path/to/file" |
| 04:04.50 | vecciora | jmcnaught: But I don't know which file is responsible. |
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| 04:05.21 | vecciora | jmcnaught: That's the problem. |
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| 04:09.06 | i00nsu | do you know any small note editor not related to kde / gnome / xfce please |
| 04:09.48 | markybob | not related to...so...google keep? |
| 04:09.58 | somiaj | i00nsu: xpad? |
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| 04:11.27 | i00nsu | yes! somiaj xpad is perfect |
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| 04:11.58 | jmcnaught | vecciora: well now that i think about it a little more, the bug is probably in the part of KDE that does themes, not in the package that contains the icon files in question. I'm not that familiar with KDE anymore. |
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| 04:13.47 | jmcnaught | vecciora: https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ this is the website for the Debian KDE maintainers. There is also #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net, and debian-kde@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:22.11 | vecciora | jmcnaught: Yeah. It's not the package that contains icon files which is problematic, it's the KDE's part. Thanks for the info. |
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| 04:37.33 | blackjack | jmcnaught & somiaj thanks for the reply, i just read all of it :) |
| 04:37.46 | blackjack | ill take note of it then. |
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| 04:38.33 | blackjack | another question regarding swap files by the way, im currently on openvz, however is there a way to make the swapdisk bigger? |
| 04:38.46 | blackjack | coz at defaults it very low at 64mb only |
| 04:38.57 | blackjack | i want to allocate atleast 1gb to it |
| 04:39.14 | blackjack | and someone told me its not possible if i am on openvz , its possible on KVM, how true is this? |
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| 04:43.12 | knivsta | hi |
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| 04:44.38 | siradam | blackjack, https://wiki.openvz.org/VSwap |
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| 04:47.46 | blackjack | siradam, the document you showed me are for RHEL systems |
| 04:47.53 | blackjack | is it also applicable in debian? |
| 04:48.32 | siradam | vzctl is openvz's own thing, so i'd assume so |
| 04:49.59 | jmcnaught | blackjack: it's relevant because your openvz VPS is a debian container running on a RHEL (or probably CentOS) kernel. run "uname -a" to see what kernel you're using. |
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| 04:51.06 | blackjack | ok. wait |
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| 04:52.00 | soundtoxin | does anyone know how I can restore an applet I used to have for notify-send? it would keep notifications I hadn't read yet and I could click it on my panel |
| 04:52.12 | blackjack | so typing vzctl set 777 --ram 512M --swap 1G --save |
| 04:52.19 | blackjack | will set my swap to 1gb? |
| 04:52.29 | blackjack | and 512mb ram, just for example? |
| 04:53.08 | blackjack | Linux GDi-server 2.6.32-042stab104.1 #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 12:58:41 MSK 2015 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:53.36 | siradam | i believe so. i forgot to bring my laptop home, so i can't vpn into the office and double check, but that is how i read that |
| 04:53.38 | jmcnaught | blackjack: hmmm.. those instructions look like they're for the host, not the guest. |
| 04:53.46 | siradam | yes, you'd run that on the host |
| 04:53.54 | siradam | it's how to adjust things on guests |
| 04:54.07 | siradam | guests cannot adjust themselves (there would be chaos) |
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| 04:58.25 | jmcnaught | blackjack: that's not a Debian kernel. This type of VPS is a container, with a single kernel running the host OS and all of the containers in separate namespaces. If you get a KVM or Xen VPS (virtual machines with their own kernel instance) you should be able add swap |
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| 05:00.46 | blackjack | thanks for that note jmcnaught |
| 05:01.08 | blackjack | i might ask a ticket if its possible they would increase my swap space, if not, then i have no choice but to upgrade my current plan to KVM then |
| 05:01.10 | blackjack | thankz. |
| 05:01.17 | jmcnaught | blackjack: is this VPS so you can learn Debian? |
| 05:01.19 | i00nsu | is any application to calm down the cpu priority processing level ? |
| 05:01.34 | blackjack | also i am installing mysql |
| 05:01.51 | blackjack | and i saw my vswap go 100% |
| 05:01.59 | blackjack | thats where i find the issue |
| 05:02.42 | blackjack | this is really a small vps jmcnaught, its just a 12mb hdd size, 128mb RAM, and 64bit vswap??? |
| 05:02.48 | blackjack | 64mb |
| 05:02.56 | blackjack | thats where the problem occurs. lol |
| 05:03.06 | blackjack | yes, i had that vps just to learn debian |
| 05:03.34 | blackjack | i already have that vps when i am still using windows, and now that i am on debian now (on my desktop) i still have that vps to play with, like install znc and other stuffs |
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| 05:03.57 | blackjack | sorry, 12gb hdd |
| 05:03.59 | blackjack | not mb* |
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| 05:07.55 | jmcnaught | blackjack: well you can also practice with Debian at home with VMs on your desktop. That way if you break something, the stuff already running on your VPS won't get messed up. Once you have something figured out at home, then deploy to the VPS |
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| 05:10.59 | siradam | yeah don't guess on production servers |
| 05:12.13 | blackjack | this what the ticket said jmcnaught |
| 05:12.18 | blackjack | "Why do you want to increase the vSwap? As this is not something we offer we don't be able to do so. " |
| 05:12.29 | blackjack | "Also, this is typically a very bad idea and on lower-RAM systems it shouldn't be more than the amount of RAM in any case. Amount of swap on a system should never exceed 512MB or 1GB (dependant on who you ask) for various reasons including performance one). If you choose to purchase a KVM and move to it then you need to keep your swap at a reasonable size as failure to do so could result in a shutdown or a suspension from trashing the host node." |
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| 05:14.01 | blackjack | can you explain the 'trashing the host node' part. I really was not able to understand that. |
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| 05:16.09 | JordanJ2 | Anyone here used nixstats> |
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| 05:19.45 | valdyn | blackjack: they monitor your vm and if its thrashing then they shut it down |
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| 05:21.17 | siradam | blackjack, sounds like they are worried about hard drive activity (read/writes). this is a huge performance hit for servers which may be running a hundred other VMs |
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| 05:22.33 | siradam | if you need more memory then purchase more would be wise. you may be able to optimize, but then you get into some very use-case details, which you should find someone specific for |
| 05:22.45 | siradam | how much memory are you using, and on what? |
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| 05:44.13 | blackjack | is there an alternative to mysql? |
| 05:44.18 | blackjack | which has a smaller footprint? |
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| 05:45.23 | blackjack | sorry siradam. i already tackled that problem already |
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| 05:45.35 | blackjack | i already upgraded |
| 05:45.37 | blackjack | hehehe |
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| 06:11.58 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.0esr-1~stretch; sid: 38.2.0esr-1; jessie- |
| 06:11.59 | judd | backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0-1 |
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| 06:14.29 | Chocolate_Chip | Yes. Iceweasel, but not GNU/Icecat |
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| 06:58.15 | FelixFire619 | Is there anyware i can download a .tar.gz of the debian8 minimal File System (/) Directory? |
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| 07:04.12 | jelly | FelixFire619: I don't think there's a ready-made product like that any more, but you can easily recreate a base system tree using debootstrap on any linux |
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| 07:04.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell FelixFire619 about debootstrap |
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| 07:06.37 | Kurvivor | hello! i have come across a computer running Debian 6.0.6. I would like to find out what programs/packages are installed on it, and what devices are in the system (i know what the hardware is, but i want to find out which of the devices have drivers installed) |
| 07:06.56 | Kurvivor | is there a tutorial for that? |
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| 07:07.58 | nb-ben | Kurvivor: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 07:08.56 | Kurvivor | thank you |
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| 07:09.25 | nb-ben | Kurvivor: oh, and you can use lsmod to see the list of kernel loaded modules |
| 07:09.46 | FelixFire619 | I'm looking for a .tar.gz of a minimal system that i can use only in chroot, not to install or ever do more then chroot to. |
| 07:09.57 | Kurvivor | i see |
| 07:10.53 | jelly | FelixFire619: that's what debootstrap creates |
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| 07:11.16 | jelly | except its result is an unpacked tree |
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| 07:26.13 | martian67 | how can i remove a package that is trying to start up something that fails |
| 07:26.17 | martian67 | ie |
| 07:26.36 | martian67 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.57 | martian67 | i dont care about doing it right, i just want the package totally nuked along with everything associated with it |
| 07:27.20 | martian67 | but when i try to remove it, it tries to invoke rc.d shit |
| 07:27.24 | martian67 | and then fails |
| 07:27.39 | bezaban | try purge |
| 07:27.42 | martian67 | same error |
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| 07:27.50 | bezaban | even with -f? |
| 07:27.58 | martian67 | yes |
| 07:28.03 | bezaban | then it might be because you didn't do it right ;) |
| 07:28.19 | daedeloth | I'm a bit stuck on trying to copy multiple files from a file using scp |
| 07:28.23 | martian67 | its trying to invoke dovecot before removing it, i dont want it to do that |
| 07:28.28 | martian67 | i just want it gone |
| 07:28.34 | daedeloth | right now I'm doing it in a "while read" loop but that's not very performant |
| 07:28.34 | bezaban | possibly reinstall and then remove it |
| 07:29.56 | bezaban | daedeloth: multiple files from a file? |
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| 07:30.21 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: you could use a shared controlpath. |
| 07:30.35 | daedeloth | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12190866/ |
| 07:30.35 | martian67 | bezaban, its some stupid config error |
| 07:30.37 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: so your connection's gonna close with the last transfer. |
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| 07:30.50 | martian67 | im not learning to configure this package properly just so i can remove it, thats dumb as hell lol |
| 07:30.52 | daedeloth | pluesch0r, I'll have to give that a google :) |
| 07:31.22 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: put that in your .ssh/config: Host *\nControlMaster auto\nControlPath /tmp/%r@%h:%p |
| 07:31.29 | pluesch0r | the \n is a newline, of course. |
| 07:32.22 | daedeloth | ok I'll google that, but first I need to get the base working I guess :) |
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| 07:32.49 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: what's the problem? |
| 07:34.10 | jelly | pluesch0r: putting the control sockets with predictable filenames into /tmp seems unhealthy. I have a separate directory for those, ControlPath ~/.ssh/sockets/%r@%h:%p |
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| 07:34.24 | pluesch0r | jelly: also OK. |
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| 07:35.01 | daedeloth | pluesch0r, I'm trying to read the file as arguments for scp, but I'm not entirely sure how :) |
| 07:35.35 | jelly | daedeloth: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
| 07:35.48 | daedeloth | yea but that's in a loop again |
| 07:36.08 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: if you keep the connection open, looping won't be a problem. |
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| 07:37.32 | jelly | daedeloth: is scp the only option or would sftp work as well? scp requires shell escaping if your filenames have interesting characters |
| 07:38.15 | pluesch0r | jelly: i agree, if there's multiple users on the system, using ~/.ssh/sockets is cleaner. but /tmp has the t-bit set and the sockets files are created srw over here, so it's cosmetic, really. :) |
| 07:38.26 | jelly | daedeloth: otherwise, you could pipe commands into the sftp client. Or even use sshfs if that's an option |
| 07:39.05 | jelly | pluesch0r: yeah... except if someone else creates a symlink with a known name in /tmp and makes you delete your own files |
| 07:39.25 | pluesch0r | jelly: yep. |
| 07:39.32 | jelly | (a very common security bug) |
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| 07:41.40 | daedeloth | pluesch0r, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12190902/ |
| 07:41.47 | daedeloth | this only copies the first file |
| 07:42.02 | daedeloth | I think it's because scp reads / flushes the whole input? |
| 07:43.05 | jelly | daedeloth: add set -x to the script, see what it actually does |
| 07:43.23 | daedeloth | it is there |
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| 07:44.32 | daedeloth | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12190911/ |
| 07:44.35 | daedeloth | this is what it does |
| 07:44.37 | daedeloth | after that it stops |
| 07:44.42 | daedeloth | well, it goes to the next part |
| 07:44.50 | jelly | so... the issue is that the remote side does not have rsync, and that's why you're faking it with scp? |
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| 07:45.13 | daedeloth | project lead wants to figure out if scp is faster than rsync |
| 07:45.23 | pluesch0r | lol. |
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| 07:45.43 | daedeloth | thing is we don't care about what's there already |
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| 07:47.34 | daedeloth | so, any clue why it doesn't read the next line? :) |
| 07:47.50 | jelly | dunno, what's the exit status of the script |
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| 07:48.02 | daedeloth | it goes to the next command |
| 07:48.05 | daedeloth | and then it stops |
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| 07:48.11 | daedeloth | well, it finishes running the script |
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| 07:48.29 | bint | hi there |
| 07:48.47 | bint | offtopic: i have a lan cable and dont know its category - do you know how i could figure out |
| 07:48.58 | daedeloth | oh wait it was my own faut |
| 07:49.01 | daedeloth | there was only one file to copy :p |
| 07:49.07 | jelly | daedeloth: wc -l /tmp/rsyncfiles ? |
| 07:49.12 | jelly | right |
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| 07:49.30 | daedeloth | aaand this is very much slower than rsync indeed. :p |
| 07:49.36 | pluesch0r | hah. 10 years without #debian and i totally forgot about this. :D |
| 07:49.53 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: have you set up the control connection? |
| 07:49.59 | daedeloth | not yet |
| 07:50.06 | pluesch0r | of course it's slower then. |
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| 07:51.16 | jelly | honestly it sounds like busywork |
| 07:51.40 | julius_ | hi |
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| 07:51.43 | daedeloth | still slow as hell |
| 07:52.10 | daedeloth | the mkdir is misplaced there probably... |
| 07:52.13 | rgr | its simple. use rsync. |
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| 07:52.26 | pluesch0r | absolutely. stick with rsync. |
| 07:52.43 | julius_ | if theres a script in a debian package that creates a postgresql database, would it be run from control.tar.gz / postinst? |
| 07:53.06 | pluesch0r | if you need to kill some time, wrap something around inotify to keep the directories in sync. |
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| 07:53.41 | daedeloth | what about mounting the remote fs as a samba share? (it's windows azure shizzle) |
| 07:53.53 | jelly | daedeloth: fun thing to try: set up sshfs (uses sftp as backend), then use rsync as if the destination is local. This makes rsync not do checksums on the destination, and just compare sizes/timestamps/permissions |
| 07:54.12 | jelly | daedeloth: do they have sftp or just scp? |
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| 07:54.34 | daedeloth | just scp I think |
| 07:54.40 | jelly | that's silly |
| 07:54.45 | JyZyXEL | i don't like how cifs mounts are blocking when the host is down |
| 07:54.59 | JyZyXEL | df, mount and ls all hang if they need to access a cifs share that has a host down |
| 07:55.04 | pluesch0r | jelly: or just --size-only? :) |
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| 07:55.36 | mjkr | how do I remove BOTH cron and ensure that ANACRON is NOT installed? |
| 07:55.43 | mjkr | currently I run debian inside a chroot |
| 07:55.50 | mjkr | so I have no need for cron, NOR anacron |
| 07:56.03 | jelly | pluesch0r: the idea isn't to skip more files, but to decide to copy more files immediately |
| 07:56.19 | pluesch0r | jelly: gotcha. |
| 07:56.34 | jelly | mjkr: what happens if you do "apt-get remove cron anacron" ? |
| 07:56.54 | daedeloth | I don't even understand why we're doing this. we first make a list of all files that are modified, and then run rsync with those files |
| 07:57.01 | daedeloth | rsync should be capable of doing that |
| 07:57.06 | daedeloth | so I think we're using it wrong |
| 07:57.08 | pluesch0r | daedeloth: yes. |
| 07:57.12 | jelly | "because someone is an idiot" |
| 07:57.55 | jelly | also, perhaps there are or were optional exclusions somewhere in the workflow that you're not aware of |
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| 07:58.03 | mjkr | jelly: ah, no install new anacronn then. thanks! |
| 07:58.30 | daedeloth | jelly, what do you mean? |
| 07:59.31 | daedeloth | hm we already use --ignore-existing |
| 07:59.51 | jelly | daedeloth: it's just a wild-ass guess why someone might have wanted to set it up that way |
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| 08:00.25 | jelly | maybe some files or paths used to be filtered out, never to be rsync'd |
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| 08:02.48 | LWD | Need to create a local mirror for i386 and amd64, is there a wiki article how to do that? |
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| 08:03.16 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a way to check what type the wifi is you are connected to? I mean 10mbit/100mbit/1gigabit or what ever it is. |
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| 08:04.36 | rgr | no_gravity: a google came up with this. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-find-out-wireless-network-speed-signal-strength.html |
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| 08:05.33 | no_gravity | rgr: i saw that, but i dont see where this one tells you the speed. |
| 08:06.22 | xand | no_gravity: umm, those aren't kinds of wifi |
| 08:06.23 | no_gravity | looks like iwconfig tells you the speed |
| 08:06.36 | no_gravity | 11Mb/s |
| 08:06.45 | no_gravity | that should be about 1MB/s right? |
| 08:06.51 | xand | run iwlist |
| 08:06.54 | no_gravity | strangely i only get like 1MB every 4 seconds. |
| 08:07.03 | xand | yes but that's in both directions |
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| 08:07.38 | no_gravity | xand: what does that mean? |
| 08:07.58 | LWD | no_gravity: download+upload |
| 08:08.18 | no_gravity | LWD: so what kind of download speed (from one computer on this wlan to another) would i expect? |
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| 08:09.07 | LWD | no_gravity: 11 MBit/s == 1 MByte/s |
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| 08:09.26 | LWD | to be exactly, 1.35 MByte/s |
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| 08:09.36 | no_gravity | what might be the reason i get only like 0.25 MBytes/s? |
| 08:10.08 | no_gravity | im looking at an rsync transfer |
| 08:10.16 | LWD | bad WiFi settings in the router, bad WiFi driver in your laptop/computer, a "high used" WiFi channel, ... |
| 08:10.22 | no_gravity | not sure i rsync might introduce delay. but i would be surprised if it was that way. |
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| 08:10.47 | rozie | no_gravity: rather not |
| 08:10.51 | penna | do I need that runsv? |
| 08:11.02 | no_gravity | at least the speed seems to be right within an order of magnitude. |
| 08:11.16 | no_gravity | so i guess i will just leave it running for a couple of hours. instead of invesitgating further. |
| 08:11.32 | rozie | 11 Mb/s looks like reduced speed |
| 08:11.41 | rozie | poor wifi singal, probably |
| 08:11.56 | rozie | or enforced b mode, maybe? |
| 08:12.25 | no_gravity | rozie: 11Mb/s is what iwconfig says. isnt that the spec of the hardware? |
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| 08:12.39 | no_gravity | i would guess it means the router is an 11Mb/s router? |
| 08:12.46 | no_gravity | maybe sold as an 10Mb/s router? |
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| 08:13.15 | rozie | no, there's a/b/g/n/ac |
| 08:13.16 | LWD | That can be the reason why you only transfer with 11 MBit/s |
| 08:13.18 | no_gravity | On the device itself it says 54Mb/s though |
| 08:13.27 | rozie | most common are b/g/n |
| 08:13.37 | LWD | looks like b |
| 08:13.38 | rozie | if it's an old hardware - b/g |
| 08:13.55 | rozie | but mode can be enforced on both router and card |
| 08:14.06 | rozie | what is exactly your router model? |
| 08:14.20 | rozie | 54 Mbit is g |
| 08:14.25 | no_gravity | it has modes b,g or b&g |
| 08:14.28 | no_gravity | oh! |
| 08:14.35 | no_gravity | it is set to "b only". |
| 08:14.42 | rozie | that's the answer |
| 08:14.44 | no_gravity | should i switch to "g & b"? |
| 08:14.50 | rozie | probably yes |
| 08:15.05 | rozie | it is usually faster and works OK in most cases |
| 08:15.12 | rozie | I'd even try g only |
| 08:15.22 | no_gravity | ok ... |
| 08:15.29 | rozie | unless you have b only hardware somewhere |
| 08:15.56 | no_gravity | can you still read me? |
| 08:16.01 | rozie | no ;) |
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| 08:16.13 | no_gravity | ha, bit rate changed to 36Mb/s in iwconfig! |
| 08:16.42 | rozie | if you have and android device somewhere, look for wifi analyzer app |
| 08:16.45 | LWD | You've changed the WiFi speed without a re-connection? |
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| 08:17.16 | penna | sorry... so can I remove runsv without any issues after? |
| 08:17.22 | rozie | it is pretty simple and shows best channel |
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| 08:18.57 | no_gravity | it jumps around betwee 1Mb/s and 54Mb/s |
| 08:19.12 | no_gravity | but mostly its in the upper reagions between 30 and 54. |
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| 08:22.29 | no_gravity | is there anything interesting in the info "signal level: -48 dBm"? |
| 08:22.45 | Kurvivor | How can i detect my serial port configuration? i have determined i have COM ports with dmesg | grep ttyS, now i want to know how they are configured |
| 08:23.02 | Kurvivor | i do not have setserial in bin |
| 08:23.46 | Kurvivor | what other programs are there in debian for that| |
| 08:24.28 | jelly | Kurvivor: install it? |
| 08:25.07 | Kurvivor | if there is no other course. I do not wanna jump through the loop of configurin gethernet just yet |
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| 08:46.31 | ihre | is there a debian equivalent for freebsds' pkg audit -F? |
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| 08:46.50 | pluesch0r | ihre: that might come as a shock but .. what does that command do_ |
| 08:46.51 | pluesch0r | ? |
| 08:47.18 | ihre | pkg audit will output installed packages with outstanding vulnerabilities |
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| 08:52.13 | jelly | ihre: RHEL has a similar command, but Debian does not have anything simple by default |
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| 08:55.56 | ihre | aww too bad, thanks anyways jelly |
| 08:56.31 | jelly | ihre: you can look up specific CVE numbers at |
| 08:56.34 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 08:56.34 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 08:57.27 | jelly | ihre: so the information needed is available, but I don't know anyone's integrated it into a single command |
| 08:57.49 | jelly | !debsecan |
| 08:57.50 | dpkg | hmm... debsecan is a program that reports security advisories against programs installed on the host, similar to gentoo's glsa-check. See http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/. |
| 08:57.57 | jelly | ihre: ^^ |
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| 09:06.38 | vecciora | I've sent an email to debian-kde@lists.debian.org, but after 20 minutes my message still doesn't appear here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2015/08/threads.html. |
| 09:07.36 | vecciora | Sorry if I'm not patient. |
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| 09:09.21 | jelly | vecciora: is it visible on http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user.kde ? |
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| 09:10.20 | vecciora | jelly: No. Not visible.. |
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| 09:11.06 | jelly | vecciora: I'd wait at least a couple hours, to a day |
| 09:12.25 | vecciora | jelly: Okay. |
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| 09:14.58 | jelly | vecciora: I think debian mailing lists have pretty aggressive filtering... if your provider's smarthost (smtp server) is blacklisted or you're sending html-only mail, it's possible your message have been blocked |
| 09:17.05 | vecciora | jelly: Well I've sent a similar message, but it's for debian-user@lists.debian.org and the message is on the archive. |
| 09:17.56 | vecciora | jelly: I didn't know that debian-user@lists.debian.org is a mailing list. I just did what reportbug tells me (asking for guidance by sending email to debian-user ML). |
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| 09:20.20 | ChrisH | Yesterday it happened, today again. Symptom are, after unlocking KDE's screenlock I cannot focus any window at all. ALT-F1 works and there systemctl -a shows Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unbekannter Fehler -1 "Unbekannter Fehler" == Unkown error. I needed to reboot both times. google search without success |
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| 09:21.04 | jelly | vecciora: um, you said debian-kde first. |
| 09:21.58 | vecciora | jelly: Oh sorry. I sent it to debian-user first. |
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| 09:35.15 | daedeloth | sshfs also seems to be a lot slower than rsync |
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| 09:36.54 | at0m|c | daedeloth: with rsync using ssh? |
| 09:37.05 | daedeloth | yea |
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| 09:56.38 | markybob | icarious, eme is disabled in debian by default. |
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| 09:56.48 | icarious | markybob: ok thanks. |
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| 10:14.55 | rudi_s | woffs: Thanks. |
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| 10:27.48 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I am willing to install testing, what is the best way? Using the testing image or stable and then upgrade? |
| 10:28.34 | Brigo | Ephexeve, stable and then upgrade |
| 10:29.01 | Brigo | Ephexeve, minimal stable installation and go on from there. |
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| 10:29.31 | jamesc | I am using Vmware flash based console. I need to use the pipe symbol. Is there a method of producing the | pipe symbol from a command or sequence of key presses, as the pipe symbol produces a Tild ~ not a pipe as it should |
| 10:29.33 | Ephexeve | I see. When you say minimal, are we talking about without any interface? or when we get to the options of "packages to install" install none of them? |
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| 10:30.26 | Brigo | Ephexeve, really not matter, just you will have to reinstall all you insatalled from stable. |
| 10:30.43 | Ephexeve | I see. Thanks Brigo |
| 10:30.48 | Brigo | a waste of time. :) |
| 10:30.52 | Brigo | Ephexeve, np :) |
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| 10:33.58 | redspl^GG | hi |
| 10:34.06 | redspl^GG | 24 years of linux today! ;) |
| 10:35.37 | ChrisH | Yesterday it happened, today again. Symptom are, after unlocking KDE's screenlock I cannot focus any window at all. ALT-F1 works and there systemctl -a shows Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unbekannter Fehler -1 "Unbekannter Fehler" == Unkown error. I needed to reboot both times. google search without success. |
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| 10:48.24 | Ephexeve | Has anyone installed debian on a macbook pro? (dual boot) |
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| 11:19.02 | qurek | test |
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| 11:21.14 | qurek | is possible to install windows 10 and debian on same disk with boot selection menu with GPT ? |
| 11:22.39 | zetheroo | I have a Debian 7 system here which is having some odd networking issues. For instance when I try to ping the gateway I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 11:23.03 | xingu | zetheroo: does ping work as root? |
| 11:23.10 | zetheroo | this is as root |
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| 11:24.07 | zetheroo | network config is : http://paste.debian.net/304768/ |
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| 11:24.32 | zetheroo | the 2.0 network is our DMZ |
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| 11:24.47 | zetheroo | when pinging in the 81.0 network there is no issues |
| 11:24.58 | zetheroo | only when pinging in the 2.0 network |
| 11:25.05 | zetheroo | and only on this system |
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| 11:25.33 | detha | zetheroo: firewall? |
| 11:25.45 | Chocolate_Chip | When iceweasel starts up, is it normal for the window to be titled "Mozilla Firefox" |
| 11:25.56 | at0m|c | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 11:26.02 | xingu | zetheroo: operation not permitted sort of points the finger at iptables; take a look at iptables -L -vnx and see if there's anything blocking outbound icmp(-echo-request) |
| 11:26.16 | Gvidon | Omg. I decided to try gnome 3 just for fun, but it seems that it's so monolithic that I can't remove useless stuff I don't need without removing the rest of it. I can't even remove gnome-getting-started-docs, which takes 183 mb and which I certainly don't need. Same with gnome-games (!) and evolution. This is madness |
| 11:26.24 | zetheroo | detha: there is not supposed to be any enabled firewall on the system - how can I definitively check? |
| 11:26.27 | Chocolate_Chip | at0m|c, I know |
| 11:26.40 | Chocolate_Chip | But previosuly, it opened and said "Iceweasel" |
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| 11:26.47 | Chocolate_Chip | Now it says "Mozilla Firefox" |
| 11:26.49 | at0m|c | weird |
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| 11:26.59 | detha | zetheroo: what xingu said, iptables -vnL |
| 11:27.08 | Chocolate_Chip | Maybe it's due to plugins or my user.js. I just noticed it now though |
| 11:28.08 | zetheroo | xingu: maybe I missed something but I cannot find anything blocked http://paste.debian.net/304773/ |
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| 11:28.43 | ChrisH | Yesterday it happened, today twice. Symptoms are, after unlocking KDE's screenlock I cannot focus any window at all. ALT-F1 works and there systemctl -a shows Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unkown error -1 ; restart kdm fixes it... Any bells rining? |
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| 11:28.53 | Chocolate_Chip | Huh. Uninstalled noscript and it goes back to iceweasel |
| 11:29.07 | Chocolate_Chip | Ain't that interesting |
| 11:29.14 | xingu | zetheroo: default OUTBOUND policy is DROP and only permit rule for icmp is match=eth0 |
| 11:29.27 | zetheroo | oh |
| 11:29.40 | zetheroo | do I need to add a new rule for eth1? |
| 11:29.50 | xingu | zetheroo: probably, if that's what you're trying to do :) |
| 11:30.25 | zetheroo | ok - would you happen to know how I would do that? |
| 11:30.41 | zetheroo | (the "debian approved" way) :) |
| 11:30.45 | Chocolate_Chip | https://i.imgur.com/QJIoWzU.png |
| 11:30.50 | Chocolate_Chip | This still hasn't installed |
| 11:31.12 | xingu | zetheroo: not sure; my guess is you have some package/ script that is loading those rules at boot or interface init time. |
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| 11:34.03 | zetheroo | xingu: thing is that I need eth0 and eth1 setup the same as one another, and in this iptables I cannot see anything really for eth1 |
| 11:34.27 | zetheroo | is that normal? |
| 11:36.52 | RoyK | zetheroo: what do you mean "eth0 and eth1 setup the same"? |
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| 11:37.30 | zetheroo | I mean that eth1 should not be restricted any more than eth0 |
| 11:37.35 | zetheroo | if that makes sense ... |
| 11:37.37 | marens | how can i assure via dpkg packaging rules/dependencies that the system vm is set to java7 instead of java6? |
| 11:38.49 | RoyK | zetheroo: I beleive you'll need separate iptables rules for each interface |
| 11:39.10 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.42 | RoyK | zetheroo: that is - do you have many interfaces? -i eth+ should match all interfaces named eth(something) |
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| 11:39.59 | zetheroo | there is only eth0 and eth1 |
| 11:40.11 | RoyK | zetheroo: did you pastebin iptables -vnL output? |
| 11:40.28 | zetheroo | the command I got was iptables -L -vnx |
| 11:40.32 | zetheroo | is that ok? |
| 11:40.40 | RoyK | zetheroo: sure - where's the pastebin? |
| 11:40.55 | zetheroo | uhm... I posted it ... let me find it ... |
| 11:40.59 | zetheroo | http://paste.debian.net/304773/ |
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| 11:41.36 | RoyK | about those state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED lines - just use one to catch all - no need for a specific one |
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| 11:42.43 | RoyK | zetheroo: doesn't look like this one accepts anything in or out of eth1 |
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| 11:43.06 | zetheroo | ok |
| 11:43.12 | RoyK | change to eth+ |
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| 11:43.40 | zetheroo | sorry, I don't understand |
| 11:43.52 | RoyK | iptables -I INPUT -i eth+ ... |
| 11:44.02 | RoyK | eth+ will match any interface that starts with eth |
| 11:44.08 | zetheroo | ok |
| 11:44.21 | RoyK | same with tun+ if you want the same rules for tun0 and tun1 |
| 11:44.24 | zetheroo | so this copies the rules to all ethx interfaces? |
| 11:44.36 | RoyK | no, it's just a wildcard |
| 11:45.43 | zetheroo | ok I did that command ... |
| 11:45.50 | zetheroo | do I need to reboot? |
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| 11:46.59 | zetheroo | or are the changes already activated? |
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| 11:48.21 | zetheroo | if I do " iptables -L -vnx" now there is a new line at the top which reads: " 64 7564 all -- eth+ * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 " |
| 11:48.27 | zetheroo | is that right? |
| 11:48.34 | RoyK | no |
| 11:48.48 | RoyK | that accepts anything into eth+ blindly |
| 11:48.57 | RoyK | replace eth0 with ethx in your iptables rules |
| 11:49.01 | RoyK | erm |
| 11:49.04 | RoyK | eth+, not ethx |
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| 11:50.02 | zetheroo | is there a command to do that in one go for all eth0 rules? |
| 11:50.18 | RoyK | zetheroo: do you have a file with all the rules? |
| 11:50.26 | ChrisH | looks like somehow PID 1 was replaced with init instead of systemd?!? 'root 1 0 0 11:08 ? 00:00:00 init [2]' How do I get systemd back? |
| 11:50.28 | RoyK | if not, create one :P |
| 11:50.40 | zetheroo | RoyK: not that I know of |
| 11:50.59 | RoyK | zetheroo: iptables rules won't survive a reboot :P |
| 11:50.59 | zetheroo | I am just a big surprised I have to do this... this is not normal is it!? |
| 11:51.05 | jelly | ChrisH: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say? |
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| 11:51.20 | RoyK | zetheroo: if you don't know iptables too well, ufw will be easier |
| 11:51.31 | RoyK | zetheroo: that's an iptables wrapper |
| 11:51.37 | RoyK | !ufw |
| 11:51.37 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 11:51.52 | zetheroo | RoyK: I have always just been able to add an additional interface and it worked ... never needed to mess with firewall settings |
| 11:51.56 | zetheroo | oh well .. |
| 11:52.01 | zetheroo | first time for everything |
| 11:52.05 | RoyK | hehe |
| 11:52.07 | RoyK | I just use ufw |
| 11:52.35 | zetheroo | ok, I just installed ufw |
| 11:52.41 | ChrisH | jelly: init |
| 11:52.49 | zetheroo | is there a gui for this thing or is it just cmd? |
| 11:52.53 | RoyK | zetheroo: then flush the existing iptables rules first |
| 11:53.05 | RoyK | zetheroo: gufw |
| 11:53.37 | zetheroo | did "iptables --flush" |
| 11:53.41 | zetheroo | is that right? |
| 11:53.48 | zetheroo | I lost my ssh connection :D |
| 11:54.04 | RoyK | zetheroo: bingo - you flushed all the rules, but didn't change policy, which was DROP ;) |
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| 11:54.09 | darxmurf | yep |
| 11:54.20 | darxmurf | you can plug a keyboard on your machine :D |
| 11:54.37 | zetheroo | RoyK: ok, I can't ssh into the system now ... |
| 11:54.41 | RoyK | zetheroo: I don't think I know *anyone* that has configured firewalls that hasn't done that ;) |
| 11:54.49 | RoyK | zetheroo: do you have console access? |
| 11:54.57 | zetheroo | yes - it's a VM |
| 11:55.06 | darxmurf | zetheroo: before to play with iptables, always put something in cron to restore your original rules 5 minutes later :) |
| 11:55.21 | RoyK | zetheroo: rebooting it is probably the easiest way ;) |
| 11:55.24 | zetheroo | ok |
| 11:55.26 | zetheroo | rebooting ... |
| 11:55.55 | darxmurf | because when your server is far away and there is no console access... it's not fun :D |
| 11:56.02 | zetheroo | indeed |
| 11:56.10 | jelly | ChrisH: interesting, that's sysvinit probably. is systemd-sysv installed? What does "ls -la /sbin/init" say? |
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| 11:56.29 | zetheroo | ok back up and ssh'd back in |
| 11:56.53 | RoyK | ok - just start with ufw - most things can be done from there |
| 11:56.57 | RoyK | start with ufw allow ssh |
| 11:57.00 | RoyK | ufw enable |
| 11:57.40 | zetheroo | Firewall is active and enabled on system startup |
| 11:57.42 | RoyK | if you mess up in ufw, keep in mind that it *does* keep its settings over a reboot, so you might want console access |
| 11:58.01 | RoyK | ufw status shows you the rules |
| 11:58.07 | Night_Elf | All this reminds me of a colleague who loved to work as root on his system. Once his xorg or his whatever gui died. And the trigger happy fellow googled and read about unfreezing things with "kill -9 -1". Oh the face after he did that. One of those "Priceless!" moments. |
| 11:58.29 | RoyK | :D |
| 11:58.37 | jelly | !flw0 |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 11:58.42 | zetheroo | there is almost nothing there :) |
| 11:58.55 | ChrisH | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/304778/ The only thing I did was apt-get update|upgrade (from what I remember) |
| 11:58.56 | zetheroo | http://paste.debian.net/304779/ |
| 11:59.01 | RoyK | zetheroo: no, that' normal - you just added a single rule |
| 11:59.14 | zetheroo | ah right |
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| 12:00.00 | zetheroo | yay ... ping in the 2.0 network works! :D |
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| 12:00.49 | jelly | ChrisH: next time, inspect the initial output of apt commands carefully before letting them continue. There are logs in /var/log/apt/ that may provide clues. Or not. |
| 12:02.02 | jelly | ChrisH: seeing as systemd-sysv is completely uninstalled, this would not have been a result of a mere automated removal. You either never had it, or you explicitely purged it from your system |
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| 12:02.36 | jelly | ChrisH: which debian release is this, jessie? |
| 12:02.49 | zetheroo | RoyK: with ufw is everything without a rule blocked by default? |
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| 12:06.01 | ChrisH | jelly: that box is jessie, installed while jessie was testing. grep'ed for init in /var/log/apt/ and no hint what happened. It was all fine until a few days ago. I am preety sure this box was systemd from very beginning. Its my office box and must be stable and productive. |
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| 12:06.50 | zenpac | I upgraded recently to D8 ( a few months ago) and just rebooted. For some reason I get this error on DBus: 'Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1' |
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| 12:07.21 | zenpac | Google doesn't seem to have any guidance on how to fix this.. DBUS is running according to systemctl |
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| 12:08.02 | zenpac | sorry. not according to systemctl, but /etc/init.d/dbus status. |
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| 12:08.35 | ChrisH | zenpac: thats what I see, too. check what process PID 1 is |
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| 12:10.25 | zenpac | ChrisH: Its "init" |
| 12:10.52 | zenpac | I think it should be otherwise, but not sure how to fix it. |
| 12:10.54 | ChrisH | does systemctl -a show something reasonable or only the error? |
| 12:11.01 | ShiroNeko | hello, does anyone know if i can use the wheezy packages from swupdate.openvpn.net for jessie too? |
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| 12:12.00 | ChrisH | ShiroNeko: why do you want to use a package from there? |
| 12:12.03 | Delf | Why is there two initrd image files in i386 webboot? |
| 12:12.05 | zenpac | ChrisH: Only the error. |
| 12:12.16 | zenpac | I'm running it as root. |
| 12:12.34 | zenpac | Same result running as normal users |
| 12:12.46 | ChrisH | zenpac: looks like we share the same issue. check https://paste.debian.net/304778/ and compare with your setup |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | ChrisH: grep for systemd-sysv instead. |
| 12:13.48 | ShiroNeko | ChrisH: because i have some bandwidth issues on a jesse machine, which i don't have on a wheezy machine using openvpn from swupdate.openvpn |
| 12:14.48 | zenpac | ChrisH: Yes, mine looks very similar |
| 12:15.04 | ChrisH | jelly: nothing in... |
| 12:15.06 | zenpac | If not identical. |
| 12:15.38 | zenpac | ChrisH : are you trying to resolve this at this time? |
| 12:15.59 | RoyK | zetheroo: yes |
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| 12:16.09 | ChrisH | zenpac: I asked for the same error and we are trying to nail it down. |
| 12:16.23 | zetheroo | RoyK: ok - thanks for your help! |
| 12:16.31 | zenpac | http://vsido.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=kuijgk2lnep4s6bj3kuf1uqkc1&topic=912.msg10383#msg10383 has some advisement on fixing, but looks risky. |
| 12:16.51 | jelly | ChrisH: then I don't find likely you had systemd active, except perhaps booted manually via kernel boot parameters |
| 12:17.07 | zenpac | Uninstalling and re-installing : cgmanager |
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| 12:18.02 | RoyK | zetheroo: ufw logging on may help during initial setup (or later too, up to you) |
| 12:18.12 | zenpac | ChrisH: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/10c5a927/ |
| 12:18.40 | zetheroo | RoyK: I installed the gui for it .. it's pretty nice and simple :) |
| 12:18.40 | RoyK | zetheroo: otherwise, see the manual pages |
| 12:19.14 | jelly | ChrisH: anyway, install that package, see what apt does, reboot, and you ought to have systemd as pid 1 back |
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| 12:19.47 | jelly | ChrisH: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_and_Testing |
| 12:21.34 | zenpac | ChrisH: seems like I had similar problems some years ago when upgrading to sysvinit... |
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| 12:22.41 | RoyK | zetheroo: nice |
| 12:23.10 | RoyK | zetheroo: if you want to see in detail what ufw is doing, just list the iptables/ip6tables rules |
| 12:23.46 | zetheroo | ok |
| 12:25.02 | zenpac | ChrisH: i'm re-installing cgmanager, and upgrading... |
| 12:25.07 | zenpac | I'll probably have to reboot. |
| 12:25.25 | ChrisH | jelly: install systemd-sysv or try to install systemd? I assume the first |
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| 12:26.25 | jelly | ChrisH: systemd-sysv |
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| 12:28.23 | ChrisH | jelly: done... removed sysvinit-core ; fingers crossed; need to reboot |
| 12:28.42 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
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| 12:31.26 | zenpac | Will this break my warranty? ;) |
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| 12:31.38 | at0m|c | which where |
| 12:32.32 | zenpac | none, nowhere ... |
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| 12:36.48 | zenpac | ChrisH: My solution worked. |
| 12:37.17 | zenpac | systemd is top dog, and dbus works. |
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| 12:38.53 | zenpac | In addition to https://paste.debian.net/hidden/10c5a927/ I did an "apt-get upgrade" then rebooted.. |
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| 12:42.03 | DoctorD90 | guys, debian has some issue with NVIDIA graphic card? or better another producer?like ati? |
| 12:43.17 | jwd | is that a question for suggesting a graphic card? or do you have any problems? |
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| 12:46.24 | DoctorD90 | jwd i have to purchase a laptot, so before purchase/search, i'd like to know :) |
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| 12:47.12 | zenpac | ChrisH: any luck? |
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| 12:48.54 | jwd | maybe this is a ood starting point: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
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| 12:48.58 | ChrisH | zenpac: not yet rebootet... need to finish some system patching before :) |
| 12:49.20 | DoctorD90 | thx jwd |
| 12:49.21 | jwd | i never went for special graphics adapters so i do not know to much details on specific |
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| 12:50.19 | DoctorD90 | no, i read somwhere that each distro has more or less a great support for nvidia, or ati, or other productor...so id like debian, i use it, and i would not purchase a good pc, and use graphic card as 90' grpahic card :P |
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| 12:51.54 | pluesch0r | DoctorD90: support for nvidia cards is better than for ati cards. |
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| 12:53.30 | DoctorD90 | :D a great "news" ..so a nvidia "pc" is better :) thx pluesch0r |
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| 12:54.09 | zenpac | ChrisH: FYI, my system looks stable.. My KVM is working fine.. Audio all works ok. |
| 12:54.13 | jelly | DoctorD90: if you don't need games, get something with an intel gpu, sandybridge (HD3000) or newer. open source drivers appear to be stable and performance is adequate for compositing window managers and modern desktop environments |
| 12:56.31 | DoctorD90 | jelly in reality, the only game at which i gamed is only for windows...so is not a game issue :P is just for film, or when i need to use gpu to make same calcs...like using kali to play to be a hackkkker kid, or when i run matlab to get gpu power |
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| 12:57.13 | DoctorD90 | adding to, often, i cant ask pc cards as i need...i get as seller sells me...so if with nvidia, i take nvidia :P but thx for tips! |
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| 12:57.34 | DoctorD90 | is another type of information to choose the rigth one :D thx :D |
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| 12:59.07 | jwd | as usual. there is not just one right answer :-9 |
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| 13:00.30 | DoctorD90 | yea :D but infos are good to make a good choice :D |
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| 13:00.46 | DoctorD90 | nvidia and intel are well supported both |
| 13:00.51 | r6ku | +1 for intel gpus, those things haven't let me down yet |
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| 13:01.19 | DoctorD90 | issue with intel (if i remember well) is that they havent dedicated ram...they take ram from pc :P |
| 13:01.22 | DoctorD90 | or i wrong? |
| 13:02.14 | markybob | DoctorD90, you're correct |
| 13:03.13 | DoctorD90 | ah ok...so better nvidia and then intel...due to not dedicated ram T_T |
| 13:03.13 | r6ku | but generally you want to do your research on drivers beforehand, especially when picking hardware for linux |
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| 13:03.54 | DoctorD90 | r6ku for this I asked you :) so i understand that to use gpu power for calcs, is better nvidia and intel then others |
| 13:04.13 | DoctorD90 | so if is only a issue of graphic card, i have a better parameter to choice |
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| 13:04.47 | jelly | DoctorD90: if you want to do GPGPU maybe a laptop isn't the best choice |
| 13:04.48 | DoctorD90 | like 1 pc with 16gb ram, intel video, and a 8gb ram and nvidia 4gb...at the end, they maybe the same :P |
| 13:05.10 | markybob | DoctorD90, look at nouveau. see if what you want is supported by that...it's probably your best option |
| 13:05.59 | DoctorD90 | jelly it isnt my "end point", is just one stuff that some times i may need. Other way, i have a 2009's pc...so i havent never palyed with gpu computation...so purchasing a new one, i may use it without trouble :) |
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| 13:06.40 | DoctorD90 | yes markybob :) my interest was just in driver support under linux :) many thx for all information you gave me ^_^ |
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| 13:07.51 | DoctorD90 | i was looking at thinkpad...but newest are too expensive and all with windows pre-installed :P |
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| 13:09.35 | mirf | my latest Debian machine came with Win98, originally :P |
| 13:09.56 | jelly | DoctorD90: that's why I got a refurbished 2011 thinkpad with i5 sandybridge for $300. There are refurb X220 around $200 |
| 13:10.03 | at0m|c | mirf: mine windows 8. got fdisk'd on first run. |
| 13:10.10 | mirf | :D |
| 13:10.10 | at0m|c | sheer joy |
| 13:10.13 | mirf | lol |
| 13:10.36 | markybob | DoctorD90, it's worth it. thinkpads are great. do like jelly |
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| 13:10.59 | mirf | yeah thinkpads are the bomb |
| 13:10.59 | jelly | newer models have worse keyboard layouts. |
| 13:11.07 | mirf | you can get teh old style ones too |
| 13:11.12 | mirf | they are more chunky though |
| 13:11.21 | DoctorD90 | yes, but i have seen them now....800euro like nothing...and all with windows(=paying license for a os that i will totaly format) |
| 13:11.41 | mirf | my T420 was £350 2nd hand a few years back |
| 13:11.45 | mirf | and it's still a beast |
| 13:11.54 | jelly | this T420s is 1.3kg, large but surprisingly lightweight |
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| 13:12.11 | mirf | yeah size is the only downside |
| 13:12.23 | DoctorD90 | a good site for "self made" configurations? |
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| 13:12.26 | mirf | hmm T420s eh |
| 13:12.27 | mirf | ligheter |
| 13:12.32 | mirf | interesting |
| 13:12.36 | DoctorD90 | i have seen that dell has closed the division for that :( |
| 13:12.46 | jelly | I was aiming for X220 but got upsold ;-) |
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| 13:13.12 | Delf | are there alternatives to task-spooler? |
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| 13:19.49 | ChrisH | zenpac,jelly rebooted. systemd is PID1 via ln /sbin/init -> systemd ; systemctl -a works. Lets see if KDE unlock works also |
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| 13:24.59 | zenpac | ChrisH: You use KDE? |
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| 13:25.47 | ChrisH | zenpac: sure :) |
| 13:26.21 | zenpac | I use icewm... Its simple. |
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| 13:34.18 | ebarrett | before I file a bug report, can someone confirm cset is broken on debian 8? |
| 13:34.23 | ebarrett | cset shield -v |
| 13:34.35 | ebarrett | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.42 | ebarrett | the paths recently changed |
| 13:35.00 | ebarrett | also, the debian bug search is broken |
| 13:35.16 | ebarrett | http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi |
| 13:35.25 | ebarrett | Internal Server Error |
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| 13:36.02 | mtn | ebarrett, that link works fine for me |
| 13:36.31 | ebarrett | did you type something in and hit search? |
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| 13:37.02 | mtn | ebarrett, now I see what you meant to say. yes, I got the same error with a search |
| 13:37.35 | mtn | ebarrett, that makes things difficult |
| 13:37.42 | ebarrett | indeed |
| 13:37.47 | ebarrett | i may be submitting a duplicate |
| 13:37.53 | ebarrett | can you try: cset shield -v |
| 13:38.37 | mtn | ebarrett, I don't have it installed and can't install it at the moment |
| 13:38.48 | ebarrett | ah hold on, it's a cset bug |
| 13:38.52 | ebarrett | https://code.google.com/p/cpuset/issues/detail?id=10 |
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| 13:39.12 | ebarrett | mtn: you think I should submit it to debian also? |
| 13:39.46 | mtn | ebarrett, sorry, I don't know the best route to take |
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| 13:46.26 | katyucha | Sync problem with apt-mirror : hash sum mismatch... How to clean and clear the repo correctly ? rm ? It's on jessie-backport, perhaps can I full download with apt-miror ? but no args in man page |
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| 13:50.37 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I use Debian 8.1 LXDE on my old DELL Latitude D600 with 700MB RAM. I want to auto login a user. How do I do that? |
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| 13:53.20 | r6ku | tytan: check your lightdm configuration, there's an option for enabling auto-login in there |
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| 13:54.15 | r6ku | tytan: iirc the config is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
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| 13:54.50 | tytan | r6ku: Found it. Thank you very much =) |
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| 14:04.11 | depesz | hi. i have .dsc, orig.tar.xz, and debian.tar.gz files, how can I make deb out of it? |
| 14:04.16 | depesz | i.e. what command/toold? |
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| 14:09.44 | Lope | Any idea why my LXC container is going ape-shiz with starting and stopping gettys? http://codepad.org/LoBtAmsm It does it constantly. |
| 14:10.24 | ChrisH | jelly,zenpac switching to systemd did not fix my initial problem. screenlock is no longer unlockable.... But recreting the screenlock setting using kde systemsettings fixed it. Looks fixed now. |
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| 14:11.14 | jelly | depesz: something like dpkg-source -x blah.dsc to unpack the source tree, then dpkg-buildpackage -b [...] inside it to build |
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| 14:11.38 | jelly | slow jelly is slow |
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| 14:12.27 | jelly | [Religion-Chat: /msg me if you have a debian tech support question |
| 14:12.45 | pfote | ^^ |
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| 14:16.03 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 14:16.03 | dpkg | <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 14:19.51 | Lope | How can I tell Jessie to start only 1 getty? tty, whatever? |
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| 14:28.34 | Delf | No religion allowed here? |
| 14:28.55 | NoImNotN1neVolt | no, that's what #debian-offtopic is for. |
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| 14:29.18 | jelly | Delf: no trolls, either! |
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| 14:29.53 | Delf | I'm asking because I didn't see someone talking about religion yet I saw two bans. |
| 14:30.04 | jelly | /msg ed the user with further info in case of a false positive |
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| 14:32.35 | Delf | So if I have something exclusively religious related in my name, I'm considered a troll and therefor out of here? |
| 14:33.06 | jelly | Delf: let's continue this in #debian-offtopic, please |
| 14:33.35 | Delf | jelly: Cannot. But I can stfu and stay on topic here at least :D |
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| 14:33.50 | jelly | acceptable :-) |
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| 14:34.11 | SynrG | Delf: certain nicks can easily be misconstrued as trolling. just let's leave it at that :) |
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| 14:34.49 | Lope | My Jessie LXC container is starting and stopping getty's almost every second. http://codepad.org/LoBtAmsm |
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| 14:35.30 | Lope | So I tried limiting the number of getty's to 1. NAutoVTs=1 in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 14:35.46 | Lope | After a restart the same issue in the syslog. |
| 14:37.03 | Lope | Then I looked in /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/ and I saw I have getty@tty1.service -> /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service |
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| 14:37.21 | Lope | So I thought it might fix the problem if I make a few more. So I made more for 2..6 |
| 14:37.31 | Lope | But now my lxc container doesn't start :/ |
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| 14:43.36 | Lope | ok this worked systemctl stop getty@tty5.service getty@tty6.service etc. |
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| 14:44.35 | koowgnojeel | Hi, is this right way to configure my hostname and domain name ? I'm a PC user - http://pastebin.com/gBXRNumS |
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| 14:45.56 | koowgnojeel | oops |
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| 14:51.48 | SolarNRG | do any of you know of any email services I can sign up to that don't involve me owning a phone? |
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| 14:52.28 | Patero-ng | hi I want to know if the dvd image of the stable debian 8.1 has multiple DE on the image |
| 14:52.30 | SolarNRG | There's no option of "I don't own a phone" with all the email services I tried |
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| 14:53.55 | tyrion-mx | Hello, I am running testing and I would like to upgrade iceweasel to the latest stable in order to run the "Firefox Hello" Plugin (I don't know why I can't find it in my current version) |
| 14:54.19 | tyrion-mx | Do you know if the plugin is included in the latest version of iceweasel? |
| 14:54.32 | at0m|c | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:54.33 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.0esr-1~stretch; sid: 38.2.0esr-1; jessie- |
| 14:54.34 | judd | backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0-1 |
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| 14:54.43 | koowgnojeel | ,v chromium |
| 14:54.44 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 43.0.2357.65-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 44.0.2403.89-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 44.0.2403.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 44.0.2403.107-1; sid: 44.0.2403.157-1 |
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| 14:55.33 | tyrion-mx | at0m|c, what is that supposed to mean? |
| 14:55.47 | tyrion-mx | are you suggesting to use backports? |
| 14:55.50 | at0m|c | tyrion-mx: that stable and testing use same iceweasel version, 38.2 |
| 14:55.54 | tyrion-mx | ok |
| 14:55.57 | koowgnojeel | http://pastebin.com/gBXRNumS is this proper way to configure hostname ? |
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| 14:57.25 | tyrion-mx | I am using 38.2 but I cannot find the Hello thing, so I wanted to know if debian removed it, or if I just have to upgrade iceweasel (using unstable) |
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| 14:59.34 | greenman | there are still security updates being released for wheezy, right? |
| 14:59.51 | greenman | Is there a schedule of support? |
| 15:01.09 | jelly | greenman: wheezy will get support for 12 months after jessie release date, so something like Apr-May 2016 |
| 15:01.24 | jelly | greenman: LTS project people are taking over afterwards |
| 15:01.33 | jelly | !lts |
| 15:01.33 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:02.44 | greenman | jelly: thanks |
| 15:03.10 | greenman | that means that I'm going to have to keep beating my head against this server to see why it won't boot instead of working on other things. :/ |
| 15:03.44 | jelly | mind you, the LTS project is dependent on donations, and they still don't have enough $$$ to be sustainable |
| 15:04.02 | koowgnojeel | $_$ |
| 15:04.18 | jelly | so if you plan on using wheezy in a company, consider supporting it with $$$ yes |
| 15:04.26 | koowgnojeel | I would! |
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| 15:04.40 | greenman | jelly: yeah, I think I'm just going to have to figure this out |
| 15:04.41 | koowgnojeel | I don't have company yet :P |
| 15:04.53 | NoImNotN1neVolt | i wonder what kind of donations were coming in to debian 1993-1995 |
| 15:05.02 | greenman | unfortunately I'm at a loss as to what to do... |
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| 15:05.23 | jelly | NoImNotN1neVolt: all the volunteers donate their time, lots of companies donate hw and hosting |
| 15:05.25 | greenman | I've tried rebuilding the initramfs, and some othter things that I can't even remember... |
| 15:05.34 | NoImNotN1neVolt | jelly: i meant in terms of the "$$$" you mentioned :P |
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| 15:05.49 | jelly | NoImNotN1neVolt: maybe your time is worthless |
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| 15:06.10 | NoImNotN1neVolt | i'm not suggesting that money doesn't help the whole process along, but i take issue with claims that a lack of money will somehow result in development grinding to a halt. |
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| 15:06.21 | jelly | NoImNotN1neVolt: not development, LTS. |
| 15:06.24 | tyrion-mx | ok, an other question: http://mozilla.debian.net/ recommends adding unstable to sources.list, wouldn't that potentially cause troubles with my system? |
| 15:06.38 | NoImNotN1neVolt | i'm not sure what other resources are required for LTS aside from development. |
| 15:07.09 | NoImNotN1neVolt | but i don't think any of that is really contingent upon money. it's sustainable even gratis. |
| 15:07.15 | jelly | NoImNotN1neVolt: there are always people interested in the shiny new stuff. Triaging and dealing with issues in 3-5 year old software... less fun. |
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| 15:07.54 | jelly | NoImNotN1neVolt: I'm sure LTS people will appreciate your gratis time, go visit #debian-lts on OFTC and offer your know-how |
| 15:08.10 | greenman | this is so frustrating. So when it's booting it says two things right after another |
| 15:08.11 | NoImNotN1neVolt | (also, i note the irony of talking in #debian about shiny new stuff, a distro that has a reputation for being super-conservative and far, far from the bleeding edge) |
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| 15:08.28 | greenman | /dev/sda2: recovering journal |
| 15:08.33 | greenman | /dev/sda2: clean |
| 15:08.52 | greenman | mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: No such device |
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| 15:09.00 | greenman | so it knows it's there, but doesn't know it's there? |
| 15:09.06 | jelly | dpkg, tell greenman about initramfs debug |
| 15:09.15 | koowgnojeel | Please anyone tell me how to configure hostname and domainname in proper way :P - http://pastebin.com/gBXRNumS |
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| 15:10.07 | greenman | jelly: I've rebuild the initramfs... |
| 15:10.15 | greenman | But I'll go through this document again. |
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| 15:10.33 | ChrisH | koowgnojeel: this should have been set during installation. but /etc/hostname is the place to change. reboot afterwards is the easiest way to activate the change. |
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| 15:11.22 | koowgnojeel | ChrisH: Thanks :) did I write right one in /etc/hosts ? |
| 15:11.36 | greenman | jelly: when it says to "Boot with" blah, where do I put blah? |
| 15:11.41 | greenman | at the end of the linux line? |
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| 15:12.42 | umano | koowgnojeel: I think you should use the respective programs to do that whose names are exactly that: hostname and domain name. Did you read their man pages? |
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| 15:13.01 | jelly | greenman: yes. remove the "quiet" word if it's there, too |
| 15:13.03 | umano | *domainname |
| 15:13.26 | jelly | greenman: (anywhere in the line after the vmlinuz path works, actually) |
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| 15:14.49 | koowgnojeel | umano: a bit :) could you gimme the name of respective programs or an example or a hint ? I'm a PC user but I want to know the right one. So I can tell the proper way to configure hosts file. |
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| 15:16.07 | koowgnojeel | or your /etc/hosts. |
| 15:16.36 | jelly | !hostname |
| 15:16.37 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 15:19.25 | voidstar | !mailname |
| 15:19.25 | dpkg | The file /etc/mailname should include the the fully qualified domain name that the program wishing to get the mail name should use (that is, everything after the @). The IP address for this FQDN can be specified in /etc/hosts. Ask me about <hostname> and see mailname(5). |
| 15:19.27 | umano | koowgnojeel: I mean that the programs to configure your hostname and domain name are called "hostname" and "domainname" :) Run $ man hostname or $ man domainname in a terminal to read their manuals, they have examples. |
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| 15:20.07 | koowgnojeel | umano: Thanks :) |
| 15:20.07 | jeffno | Can somebody on sid run this and tell me what they get? $ aptitude search '~nlibreoffice-common' -F "%p %V %v" --disable-columns |
| 15:20.34 | jeffno | this package is no longer available for me after updating the package lists |
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| 15:21.13 | jeffno | but the Debian packages page shows it as available, version 1:5 |
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| 15:21.45 | jelly | ,v libreoffice-common |
| 15:21.46 | judd | Package: libreoffice-common on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.3-4~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.0.3-2~bpo70+1; |
| 15:21.47 | judd | wheezy-backports: 1:4.2.5-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:4.2.6-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.2-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:4.4.2-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 1:4.4.5-2~bpo8+2; stretch: 1:4.4.5-2; sid: 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | jelly: might be an incomplete upload or the mirror you use is lagging, which arch are you using |
| 15:22.34 | jeffno | amd64 |
| 15:22.34 | jelly | jeffno: ^^ |
| 15:23.06 | umano | koowgnojee: yw. And note that you need administrative privileges to set hostname and domainname. |
| 15:23.33 | shay_shay | when changing hostname: grep -R "myhostname" /etc |
| 15:23.35 | jelly | jeffno: well if judd is not lying, 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 ought to be present unless it got removed by ftpmasters because it eats your pets |
| 15:23.40 | shay_shay | make sure you didn't miss any configs |
| 15:23.49 | jeffno | jelly, are you on sid? |
| 15:24.12 | jelly | jeffno: no, but I have a machine where it's present in sources.list ;-) |
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| 15:24.26 | koowgnojeel | umano: http://serverfault.com/questions/490825/how-to-set-the-domain-name-on-gnu-linux I followed this instruction and I could verify my output with these four commands described in this page. Networking is hardest part I guess. :) especially for single PC user. Thanks. |
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| 15:25.24 | jeffno | nobody runs unstable here? |
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| 15:25.45 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 15:25.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
| 15:25.52 | jelly | jeffno: ^^ |
| 15:25.58 | jeffno | but why aren't they on freenode? |
| 15:26.06 | jelly | heh |
| 15:26.37 | jeffno | people are too lazy to click links, and they want us to go to a whole 'nother server? :P |
| 15:26.52 | jelly | jeffno: most #debian-* channels moved to OFTC. irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net since... 2005 |
| 15:27.09 | jeffno | how come they moved? |
| 15:27.17 | markybob | jeffno, google it |
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| 15:27.35 | jelly | jeffno: we have a factoid for that, too! |
| 15:27.39 | greenman | So I think the problem with my initramfs is that there are errors in it. But I'm not sure how to fix it. |
| 15:27.43 | umano | koowgnojeel: why are you trying to set hostname and domainname, if I may ask. |
| 15:28.04 | greenman | I did a debug and I'm getting some weird things |
| 15:28.11 | jelly | jeffno: read it for yourself: /msg dpkg irc move |
| 15:28.33 | greenman | for instance modprobe INITRD_MODULES="vmxnet |
| 15:28.43 | jelly | greenman: screenshots of pastes of said weird things would be nice |
| 15:28.44 | greenman | and that's followed with can' find "vmxnet |
| 15:28.52 | jelly | screenshots or* pastes |
| 15:29.03 | greenman | jelly: okay, I can try to get some screenshots |
| 15:29.11 | greenman | is there a thing like pastebin for screenshots? |
| 15:29.24 | jeffno | jelly: that didn't return anything |
| 15:29.26 | jelly | greenman: imgur.com is just fine, or picpaste.com |
| 15:29.34 | koowgnojeel | hugs jelly, I don't know you well but I've been seeing you for a very long time. Thanks for your work and thanks many other supporters. // umano To know right one so I can tell, I have bad English, I can't make good help pages but at least I want to save it the right one for people - https://sites.google.com/site/koowgnojeel/unix-like/gnu-linux/debian-gnu-linux |
| 15:29.46 | jeffno | oh, it did, "KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface." |
| 15:29.52 | jelly | jeffno: you should have gotten a private message from the bot. separate tab or window in your irc client |
| 15:30.17 | jelly | jeffno: my bad, someone renamed that thing. |
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| 15:30.55 | jelly | jeffno: make that /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 15:31.24 | koowgnojeel | umano: And for myself. :) |
| 15:31.41 | jeffno | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 15:31.53 | jhutchins | koowgnojeel: Help pages in your native language would be a good contribution as well. |
| 15:32.02 | umano | +1 |
| 15:32.03 | greenman | jelly: http://imgur.com/a/fsgHl |
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| 15:32.17 | koowgnojeel | jhutchins: Right ! I missed that. @_@ |
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| 15:34.18 | koowgnojeel | jhutchins: Thanks >_< I was stupid for many years. I should've write it in my native language. |
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| 15:36.40 | jelly | greenman: weird. boot a livecd, mount your root and pastebin the contents of /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. output of "find /etc -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep vmxnet" might be interesting as well |
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| 15:37.52 | greenman | jelly: I can boot from the old kernel, does that help? |
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| 15:38.45 | jelly | greenman: sure |
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| 15:39.49 | greenman | jelly: okay I'll get you some more screenshots |
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| 15:40.39 | baxx | I'm not getting sudo access for a user - is this correct? http://vpaste.net/MgNEW |
| 15:40.56 | jelly | greenman: if you can boot the old kernel, you can probably paste text from there eh? |
| 15:41.03 | greenman | jelly: an odd thing happens when I boot the old server: I get the same errors regarding those modules, but it still boots |
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| 15:41.25 | greenman | s/old server/old kernel |
| 15:41.30 | mtn | baxx, is the user in the group sudo? |
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| 15:41.45 | greenman | jelly: I can't because I'm accessing it though vmware |
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| 15:42.01 | baxx | mtn: I've just realised I had it in the wrong section of the sudoers file >.< |
| 15:42.04 | baxx | thanks! |
| 15:42.15 | mtn | baxx, :) |
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| 15:42.21 | jelly | baxx: you gave some access to group "sudo" and also to group "user" |
| 15:42.46 | jelly | baxx: %user means: group named "user" |
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| 15:43.05 | jelly | ie. members of group named "user" |
| 15:43.21 | baxx | jelly: yeah I was trying to add it in the group section instead of the user part :/ my bad |
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| 15:46.12 | greenman | woohoo, I can ssh so I can paste! |
| 15:47.26 | greenman | jelly: initramfs modules: http://pastebin.com/DGiX8ttx |
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| 15:48.40 | jelly | greenman: only modules names, one per line, should be in that file, INITRD_MODULES=" and the lone " are mistakes |
| 15:48.54 | jelly | that probably won't fix the boot issue |
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| 15:51.45 | jelly | I wonder which broken version of vmware-tools has done that |
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| 15:53.17 | greenman | jelly: yeah, I don't think it will because the old kernel boots even with those errors |
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| 15:55.50 | jelly | greenman: can you also paste output of "blkid" and "grep vmlinu /boot/grub/grub.cfg" |
| 15:55.59 | greenman | So I think those errors are red herrings |
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| 15:57.41 | greenman | jelly: http://pastebin.com/9Zd2mQzr |
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| 15:58.56 | jelly | greenman: well, at least root fs UUID seems to match |
| 15:59.45 | jelly | greenman: but it's possible the quote marks make initramfs build process confused. I'd try rebuilding after that was fixed just to see what happens |
| 16:00.08 | jelly | greenman: I'd also try booting with root=/dev/sda2 instead of root=UUID=... |
| 16:00.17 | greenman | could be. |
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| 16:00.34 | greenman | I'll try the boot first, see how that goes, then I'll go to lunch and try rebuilding after lunch |
| 16:00.37 | Skald_9_ | etenstijd |
| 16:00.44 | greenman | I have to read up on how to edit that and then rebuild. |
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| 16:03.58 | greenman | root=/dev/sda2 didn't work |
| 16:04.07 | greenman | I'll try rebuilding the initramfs after lunch |
| 16:04.08 | greenman | thanks |
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| 16:04.13 | jelly | greenman: no need to rebuild initramfs to test boot params manually. if some of that helps, you can make permanent changes in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub |
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| 16:04.38 | greenman | jelly: I thought the modules thing that was broken was in the initramfs? |
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| 16:05.25 | greenman | I can just change this and that's it? |
| 16:05.26 | greenman | /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 16:06.10 | jelly | greenman: and rebuild initramfs |
| 16:06.12 | greenman | Oh, you thought I was talking about the bootparams, no I meant I'll rebuild initramfs to fix the bad modules lines |
| 16:06.26 | jelly | I thought you've already done that |
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| 16:07.20 | greenman | Oh, no. I have to read up on how to do that. I've done it once in all this troubleshooting, but I've since forgotten it. |
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| 16:07.32 | greenman | jelly: thanks for all the help. I have to fuel myself |
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| 16:11.25 | techie28 | why I am getting "infected with a spambot or other associated drone: run antivirus software on your machine." |
| 16:11.42 | phy1729 | getting it where? |
| 16:12.06 | techie28 | it happens from time to time |
| 16:12.22 | techie28 | when I try to login via Xchat |
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| 16:12.44 | techie28 | I get something like this then |
| 16:12.44 | techie28 | http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=187.147.177.108 |
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| 16:12.51 | phy1729 | ask in #freenode |
| 16:13.11 | techie28 | Can a Linux system has virus? |
| 16:13.21 | phy1729 | yes |
| 16:13.32 | techie28 | Im new user of Debian.. I had heard Linux can not be infected by a virus |
| 16:13.45 | mtn | techie28, very unlikely |
| 16:13.57 | phy1729 | Any OS can have bugs that can be exploited |
| 16:14.13 | techie28 | Does that means its not usually as catastrophic like in Windows? |
| 16:14.16 | mtn | of course bugs and viruses are not the same thing ;) |
| 16:14.18 | techie28 | I was windows user before |
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| 16:14.40 | mtn | techie28, this will help you understand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware |
| 16:14.45 | jelly | techie28: dronebl is just a blacklist. The entry may have been caused by a different customer having used the same IP address you got assigned later, or by another machine on your local network. |
| 16:15.09 | techie28 | I see |
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| 16:16.05 | jelly | it _is_ possible you're unwittingly running an open proxy because of linux-specific malware. But it's not very probable. |
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| 16:16.55 | techie28 | mtn: I have seen viruses in windows which can crash the OS completely.. like one of my friends Window XP system was infected by a virus which made the file copying in a USB drive painfully slow no matter how small the file is |
| 16:17.17 | mtn | techie28, luckily, linux is not windows ;) |
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| 16:17.59 | jil | How can I stop a specific IP from trying to log in my mail system? |
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| 16:18.36 | techie28 | jelly: Im not sure how to determine that. I have noticed my system hangs sometimes when locked and I try to log in.. I noticed that the time also gets in 24 hours format in the locked screen without me changing it and is back to 12 hours when I log in |
| 16:18.45 | jelly | jil: use something like fail2ban configured to detect mail logins |
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| 16:19.15 | jelly | jil: fail2ban will manage local, linux firewall entries to stop repeat offenders |
| 16:19.21 | Guest68081 | uptime alias |
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| 16:19.48 | techie28 | uptime alias? |
| 16:20.11 | jelly | techie28: honestly those sound like bugs, not result of malware |
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| 16:20.32 | no_gravity | Anybody familiar with PowerTop? It has this tab "tunables" where you can set settings from "bad" to "good". Is it a good idea to just set everything to "good"? |
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| 16:21.30 | techie28 | jelly : ok |
| 16:21.32 | SynrG | no_gravity: overly aggressive power saving tuning can adversely affect response time while things get pulled out of sleep to do your bidding |
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| 16:21.46 | no_gravity | SynrG: so the lapto would feel laggy then? |
| 16:21.48 | SynrG | no_gravity: plus sometimes there are just power saving related bugs |
| 16:22.09 | techie28 | mtn: can anyone make that USB slowing virus/malware in Debian or any other linux? |
| 16:22.29 | SynrG | no_gravity: experiment with each one, one at a time. make sure you give it sufficient trials to tell if a) it makes a difference to power saved and b) there are noticable adverse effects |
| 16:22.32 | jil | ok jelly |
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| 16:22.54 | no_gravity | SynrG: will it save the settings or will a reboot reset it? |
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| 16:24.02 | mtn | techie28, read the link I sent you ;) |
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| 16:26.36 | SynrG | no_gravity: so far as i know it does not save them, no |
| 16:26.48 | esparta90 | there are a repository of eclipse ide for debian with more recent versions? |
| 16:27.11 | no_gravity | SynrG: ok. then playing around with the settings might be a good idea. |
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| 16:28.52 | jhutchins | Ugh. systemd has taken over mounting filesystems and has dumped half a dozen cgroup/pstore/mqueue things in mtab. |
| 16:29.04 | jhutchins | cifs shares are not working properly. |
| 16:29.13 | jhutchins | umount hangs. |
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| 16:30.45 | no_gravity | SynrG: do the changes kick in immedeately? because i changed all to good and the power usage staied the same. |
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| 16:32.15 | SynrG | no_gravity: some of them can't really be appreciated until things go idle for a while |
| 16:32.29 | SynrG | depends on what you're tuning |
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| 16:32.51 | no_gravity | SynrG: i just let the machine sit there idle. |
| 16:32.56 | SynrG | also, some of the worst offenders for power usage may already be tuned to be as efficient with power usage as they can. |
| 16:33.13 | no_gravity | SynrG: yeah, i guess so. im at 4w. i think thats a good value. |
| 16:33.14 | SynrG | so micro-optimising may have no noticable effect |
| 16:33.51 | no_gravity | that gives me 12h of usage :) |
| 16:34.06 | SynrG | decent |
| 16:34.20 | no_gravity | one think im curious about is the soundcard |
| 16:34.36 | no_gravity | powertop shows it on top of the list most of the time. |
| 16:34.39 | no_gravity | i dont even need sound. |
| 16:35.50 | Lope | I want to detach a LVM PV (on a USB drive) from my PC. If I run pvremove /dev/foo will it detach it from my PC, or destroy the PV from the physical disk? |
| 16:35.54 | SynrG | integrated sound on laptop is unlikely to draw anything significant. maybe it's talking about frequency of interrupts? |
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| 16:36.44 | no_gravity | SynrG: hard to say. the line for the audio codec looks completely differnt then the other ones. |
| 16:36.54 | jelly | Lope: pvremove will remove the PV from a VG. |
| 16:37.08 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 16:37.12 | SynrG | i really have no experience in this area |
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| 16:37.20 | no_gravity | SynrG: the other ones have a lot of numbers. the audio line just has one number "82,9%" |
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| 16:37.36 | jelly | Lope: if you want to keep the data intact, just make the VG not active any more, vgchange -an VGNAMEHERE |
| 16:37.40 | SynrG | all i can say is to try stuff and measure. if it makes no difference, it's probably not worth bothering about :) |
| 16:37.40 | Lope | Maybe LVM is not good to use on USB devices? |
| 16:38.06 | MeatPopsicle | So I just installed Debian alongside WIN10 Big Brother Edition(need it for school) but was not able to set up the installation as encrypted, is there a way to encrypt it after the fact? Or at leas my Home? |
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| 16:39.12 | jelly | Lope: it depends, but it has a learning curve either way |
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| 16:40.43 | bazhang | MeatPopsicle, there is no such edition |
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| 16:41.19 | Lope | jelly: ok you're right bro. lvchange -an /dev/fooVG && vgexport -a |
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| 16:41.46 | MeatPopsicle | bazhang WIN10 is the Big Brother edition lol |
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| 16:41.58 | SynrG | isn't encrypting after the fact closing the barn door after the horses have fled? |
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| 16:42.20 | bazhang | is luks a package name |
| 16:42.28 | ChrisH | Lope: LVxxx commands take LVs (logical volumes) and no VGs as argrument.. but that approach is OK |
| 16:42.31 | SynrG | "was not able to". did you follow instructions in the debian installation guide? |
| 16:42.35 | bazhang | or am I more confused than the poptart |
| 16:42.43 | bazhang | sicle |
| 16:43.36 | markybob | bazhang, it's part of cryptsetup |
| 16:44.05 | jelly | !confuse bazhang |
| 16:44.05 | dpkg | No, who are their mushroom tomorrow, bazhang? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Micronesia with extra cream. |
| 16:44.08 | bazhang | thanks markybob |
| 16:44.33 | bazhang | dpkg, shaddap |
| 16:44.34 | dpkg | bazhang: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:44.53 | bazhang | :| |
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| 16:47.13 | techie28 | which is the best chat client on debian to join in the channels? |
| 16:47.37 | bazhang | hexchat |
| 16:47.40 | markybob | techie28, eh...i like hexchat |
| 16:47.48 | r6ku | hexchat or irssi |
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| 16:48.08 | techie28 | xchat is not maintained anymore? |
| 16:48.09 | Lope | ChrisH oh, oops. I know lvxx is for LV's and vgxx is for VG's. But I saw the commands here. http://blogs.sourceallies.com/2009/12/unplugging-an-lvm-partitioned-usb-drive/ I did it and my system seems to not be complaining. |
| 16:48.20 | markybob | techie28, no |
| 16:48.23 | bazhang | techie28, as said elsewehre, no |
| 16:48.25 | Lope | Previously my system got very upset when I unplugged the LVM USB drive. |
| 16:48.31 | techie28 | can I remove it and install hexchat? |
| 16:48.39 | bazhang | techie28, yes |
| 16:48.39 | markybob | techie28, yes |
| 16:48.43 | techie28 | bazhang: yes :) |
| 16:48.46 | techie28 | ok thanks |
| 16:48.57 | bazhang | virus free as well techie28 |
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| 16:49.09 | techie28 | yea then I will surely.. |
| 16:49.15 | techie28 | thanks :) |
| 16:49.36 | bazhang | as is all of debian techie |
| 16:49.41 | bazhang | augh quit |
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| 16:50.35 | jelly | judd: file eicar.com |
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| 16:50.40 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 16:51.06 | jelly | huh, maybe it's really virus-free |
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| 16:51.23 | dgeo | hi world ! |
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| 16:52.31 | dgeo | is anybody using autofs-ldap with ldaps:// serveur on jessie ? Lost half of the day on it, automountd stay locked somewhere… |
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| 16:57.03 | ChrisH | Lope: interesting... I would never had tried that. |
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| 16:58.06 | Lope | If I want /var/cache to be temporary, and mount it as a tmpfs in my fstab, is there a way I can make /var/cache/apt persistent? |
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| 17:00.49 | SynrG | Lope: i would caution against making /var/cache/debconf temporary, too |
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| 17:01.02 | Lope | The 2 possible solutions I've thought of are: 1. I can make a symlink in my init script, so that in /var/cache tmpfs I have a symlink dir 'apt' pointing to /real-apt-cache or something. 2. I do some kind of directory mount from /var/cache/apt in fstab? |
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| 17:01.26 | SynrG | i think i've seen some pretty messed up systems where /var/cache/debconf had been blown away |
| 17:01.37 | Lope | SynrG: oh, the word 'cache' makes it sound disposable? |
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| 17:01.48 | SynrG | you would need to evaluate that on a case by case basis |
| 17:01.51 | SynrG | with doc in hand |
| 17:02.15 | Lope | oh, so basically I shouldn't make everything in /var/cache volatile? |
| 17:02.27 | saml_ | I'm using Debian with KDE, I added a script using the Autostart from within system settings but I tried to add boot parameters within its properties window (which I can now tell is not possible) and now when I start the start menu and bar along the bottom is frozen and I'm unable to open Autostart from alt f2 either to stop the script, is there any other ways I can approach this? many thanks |
| 17:02.29 | SynrG | or at least tread carefully |
| 17:02.40 | SynrG | don't make blanket assumptions as to how packages use that. |
| 17:02.41 | ChrisH | Lope: why do tou want to fiddle around with this directory? |
| 17:02.59 | Lope | ChrisH, I'm just doing a few tweaks to improve SD card longevity |
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| 17:03.07 | SynrG | microoptimization |
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| 17:03.25 | ChrisH | Debian on SD Card? |
| 17:03.38 | Lope | raspberrypi, bananapi, etc |
| 17:03.39 | jelly | ChrisH: it's a small installation! |
| 17:03.41 | jelly | hides |
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| 17:04.59 | jelly | Lope: files under /var/cache can be wiped if the services using them are not running at the time. Directories, no. |
| 17:05.19 | Lope | okay. fair enough. |
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| 17:05.29 | jelly | 'swhat the policy says, somewhere |
| 17:05.59 | Greek0 | when I upgrade a PHP plugin, something in apt figures out that apache needs to be reloaded. Where exactly is that logic and can I tell it not to reload but to restart? |
| 17:06.31 | Greek0 | the PHP packages maintainer scripts don't do anything relevant |
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| 17:06.46 | BlaDe^_ | hi all, I have a server with 2 x 2TB drives in raid 1 mounted to /home - I want to make new partitions for /web and /opt/data at 500gb a piece.. how do I go about this? |
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| 17:07.47 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: LVM in place? |
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| 17:16.01 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: no I don't believe so |
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| 17:17.11 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/pastes/10374864/text?key=zrokdz1wx6s0skfocvuafw |
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| 17:18.15 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: How much configwork was done so far? |
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| 17:23.29 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: in what sense? to the box? |
| 17:23.40 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: A good amount, but not huge. Ideally, it'd be nice not to start over |
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| 17:25.31 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: backup /home where you put all the disk space into.... create a PV from md2, them a VG from the PV and LVs for /opt/date and /home and keep space unsued in the VG. Thats what I would do... LVM everywhere |
| 17:26.20 | ChrisH | then rstore /home from backup |
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| 17:30.00 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: nothing is in /home, luckily everything important is on /rot |
| 17:30.04 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: I can even umount /home completely |
| 17:30.14 | BlaDe^_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.31 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: would you use gparted to create the partitions? |
| 17:31.31 | krav | i'm having a weird issue with routing. I've got 2 ethernet interfaces, have set both up via /etc/network/interfaces and yet when i try to ping anything else it won't get out. if i remove one of the interfaces from the file it works perfectly. |
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| 17:31.50 | n0x90 | hi all |
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| 17:32.29 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: did you read and understand what I wrote? |
| 17:32.31 | krav | can anyone help me figure out what's screwed up? route looks good, so something else is going on. |
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| 17:33.32 | Equa | krav: do ip a |
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| 17:34.51 | krav | Equa: the internal addresses are good, the broadcasts are good, is there something specific i'm looking for? |
| 17:34.53 | ChrisH | krav: unless you show us relevant informations like netstat -rn; ifconfig -a ; ping failingip/host on paste.debian.net |
| 17:35.08 | i00nsu | krav you use iptables? |
| 17:35.25 | krav | ChrisH: i'll paste it. one second. |
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| 17:35.32 | Equa | krav: they have different ip for each card? |
| 17:35.51 | krav | i00nsu: nope. and it works the moment i remove the second IP from the interfaces file and reboot. |
| 17:35.51 | Equa | krav: are you using static ip or dynamic? |
| 17:35.55 | krav | Equa: different static IPs. |
| 17:36.05 | jelly | krav: pastebin the current config, and also the output of "ip r" and "ip a" |
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| 17:36.26 | jelly | oh, ChrisH already asked for most of that |
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| 17:37.40 | jelly | krav: the most common copy/paste error people do is have more than one iface definition with default gw (" gateway" line) |
| 17:37.54 | krav | jelly: already did that one and corrected it :P |
| 17:37.59 | jelly | :-D |
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| 17:39.40 | krav | jelly, ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/dfe4d638/ |
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| 17:40.23 | krav | jelly: the moment I remove eth1, it works beautifully, i just don't have the second interface |
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| 17:42.16 | jelly | krav: can you get rid of "metric" and try again? |
| 17:42.25 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: I read it, not sure understood so much |
| 17:42.34 | krav | jelly: sure. |
| 17:42.35 | BlaDe^_ | I haven't used LVM before |
| 17:43.01 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: ok this alone has made it much clearer in 30seconds : https://wiki.debian.org/LVM |
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| 17:43.37 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: so does that leave the RAID 1 intact? |
| 17:43.54 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: you can reuse the /dev/md2 ? as PV for LVM |
| 17:44.48 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: yeah- so the RAID-1 is left alone and I just split the md2 up into as many volumes as I like? |
| 17:44.53 | krav | jelly: nothing. still get destination host unreachable, when i try to ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 17:45.13 | Equa | krav: can you ping something internal first? |
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| 17:45.34 | krav | Equa: same result. |
| 17:46.04 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: do I have to do anything with /etc/fstab or does lvm do that for me? |
| 17:46.15 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: something like pvcreate /dev/mdX ; vgcreate vgData /dev/mdX ; lvcreate -n lvHome -l 10G vgData ; mkfs.extX /dev/vgData/lvHome (written from memory) and yes Raid1 is still below the LVM |
| 17:46.45 | jelly | krav: leave ping working, and do "tcpdump -ni eth0" (if you're logged in remotely, "tcpdump -ni eth0 not port 22") ... does the icmp traffic go out the right interface at all? |
| 17:46.46 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: YOu need to put the lines into fstab (or reinstall with LVM from scratch, than Debian installer does it for you) |
| 17:46.50 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: shouldn't it be /dev/sdb3 not /dev/mdX ? |
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| 17:47.27 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: you want the Mirror as PV not one Mirror disk as PV! |
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| 17:49.14 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: do I need to umount /home ? if I do, then pvcreate gives: Device /dev/md3 not found (or ignored by filtering). |
| 17:49.22 | krav | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.53 | jelly | krav: hm, can you reboot, without those metric lines in place? |
| 17:50.00 | krav | jelly: already did |
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| 17:50.05 | jelly | afaik they shouldn't matter but... |
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| 17:50.15 | jelly | there's nothing obviously wrong |
| 17:50.20 | krav | :) |
| 17:50.21 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: I understood you did umount /home |
| 17:50.24 | krav | and now you know why i'm stumped |
| 17:50.36 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: I did, but then pvcreate gives me an error on /dev/md3 |
| 17:50.46 | jelly | krav: you can ping 10.0.0.1, right? |
| 17:50.56 | krav | jelly: nope |
| 17:51.10 | Equa | his eht0 is in an unknown state |
| 17:51.12 | jelly | krav: interesting. dmesg output please, if possible |
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| 17:51.49 | jelly | Equa: and yet the driver says the link is physically up left of that |
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| 17:52.46 | Equa | krav: can you ping the 172.x.x.x network? |
| 17:52.54 | LunaLovegood | Will scripts in /etc/cron.weekly/ run if I shutdown the computer every night? |
| 17:53.24 | krav | Equa: i can't. |
| 17:53.28 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: (I need to leave in a few minutes) but show me cat /proc/mdstat |
| 17:53.46 | krav | jelly: i'll see what i can do, but I can't see anything useful in it |
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| 17:54.33 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/private/bmim88izi5txv9yc5up2iq |
| 17:54.38 | jelly | LunaLovegood: only if anacron package is installed, then it takes care to run jobs that missed their spot |
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| 17:55.13 | krav | jelly: it doesn't even reference either ethernet device. |
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| 17:55.56 | jelly | krav: wut... all the eth drivers I know say something at load time, and also at link up/link loss |
| 17:56.27 | Equa | krav: bring them both down using ifdown. then bring eth0 up and do network testing. if everything is ok then bring eth1 |
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| 17:57.00 | jelly | krav: if you had lots of other kernel output, the boot-up process might have been overwritten? look at /var/log/kern.log instead then |
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| 18:00.25 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: show the pvcreate command and its output please |
| 18:00.47 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/private/ezytxtuaosbmtm71dtdjw |
| 18:00.50 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: thank you btw :) |
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| 18:02.24 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: you could try with pvcreate -f or if it still fails, run the dd command from man pvcreate to overwrite the beginning of md3 |
| 18:03.06 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: it says of=PhysicalVolume - mirrored is fine toO? |
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| 18:03.32 | ChrisH | its /dev/md3 at your side |
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| 18:03.56 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: ok that worked |
| 18:05.10 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: it was the (or filtered) one |
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| 18:05.29 | workxep | man, I feel like an idiot. been using Linux as my only OS for 16 years (but don't use laptops much), never played with LVM before. that's the right answer to how to deal with multiple encrypted partitions and it just works out the box... and the installer has been directing this way for a while, too :P |
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| 18:05.58 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: thanks! so now do I just vgextend /dev/md3 to create more volumes? |
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| 18:06.35 | workxep | I used to do some chump decrypt_derived keyscript stuff |
| 18:06.43 | Lewix | how do you guys copy paste to the clipboard? |
| 18:06.48 | Lewix | ls | xclip ? |
| 18:06.55 | workxep | xclip is cool |
| 18:06.59 | workxep | or highlight + middle click |
| 18:07.05 | workxep | highlight = copy, middle click = paste |
| 18:07.25 | Lewix | workxep: ls | xclip do not work |
| 18:07.31 | workxep | whatever's easiest for what you're doing. xclip is great for things if it's easy to pipe what you want to it or if what you want is huge |
| 18:07.44 | Lewix | uptime | xclip, which is an example straight from the man page does not work either |
| 18:07.53 | workxep | WFM ... |
| 18:07.57 | workxep | just tried it 2 secs ago |
| 18:07.59 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: read the wiki article once more carefully :). lvcreate is the comamnd you are searching for and check again 9:46 < ChrisH> BlaDe^_: something like pvcreate /dev/mdX ; vgcreate vgData /dev/mdX ; lvcreate -n lvHome -l 10G vgData ; mkfs.extX /dev/vgData/lvHome (written from memory) |
| 18:08.00 | krav | Equa: didn't work. |
| 18:08.03 | ctmjr | krav: your /etc/network/interface is missing the gateway for eth1 am pretty sure you need that |
| 18:08.06 | krav | jelly: will try |
| 18:08.09 | workxep | how does your WM configure its clipboard? |
| 18:08.21 | workxep | I've seen GNOME or some other WM do some weird clipboard stuff |
| 18:08.23 | Lewix | WM/ |
| 18:08.26 | Lewix | ? |
| 18:08.28 | workxep | window manager |
| 18:08.31 | Lewix | I have no idea dude |
| 18:08.36 | workxep | what are you using? GNOME? Xfce? KDE? |
| 18:08.49 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: gotcha, i'll read it a couple of times. thank you again |
| 18:09.27 | Lewix | gnome |
| 18:09.27 | krav | ctmjr: actually, that breaks even more. |
| 18:09.35 | krav | ctmjr: because then you have two default gateways. |
| 18:09.41 | Lewix | workxep: gnome ( i didnt even know until you asked) |
| 18:09.43 | Lewix | lol |
| 18:09.48 | jelly | krav: it would be also interesting to see "ip a" and "ip r" output while just eth0 is configured and things kind-of work |
| 18:09.50 | ChrisH | BlaDe^_: you are welcome, and next time install using LVM from begining and keep disk space in your VG(s). makes life easier. |
| 18:10.12 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: this is an OVH box, it came with the partition setup this way, but LVM was already installed |
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| 18:10.53 | krav | jelly: i may have had a stupid thought |
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| 18:11.21 | workxep | Lewix: it might be some setting somewhere, look for some sort of clipboard settings -- it's the "traditional" X clipboard |
| 18:11.23 | krav | ....well. that's stupid |
| 18:11.40 | workxep | I'm not really familiar with GNOME, I would be angry if middle click didn't work |
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| 18:12.00 | workxep | a quick Google search points to "glipper" as some clipboard manager |
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| 18:13.01 | krav | jelly: i am an idiot. |
| 18:13.11 | Lewix | workxep: whats middle click - do you mean copying pasting manually? |
| 18:13.31 | krav | jelly: turns out, when you plug in a usb ethernet card? it doesn't always assign it to eth0 |
| 18:13.33 | krav | or eth1 |
| 18:13.46 | krav | it has the onboard card as eth1 and the usb card as eth0 |
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| 18:17.17 | workxep | Lewix: xclip won't make Ctrl-V work |
| 18:17.23 | workxep | Lewix: xclip puts it in your traditional X clipboard |
| 18:17.28 | workxep | that means you have to middle-click to paste. |
| 18:17.39 | SolarNRG | krav, no you are not you simply need further education |
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| 18:17.45 | workxep | unless perhaps you run some clipboard manager that transfers it over |
| 18:17.46 | krav | SolarNRG: haha. |
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| 18:18.02 | krav | SolarNRG: ok. i feel like an idiot. |
| 18:18.09 | krav | but then again. that's like 90% of it work |
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| 18:18.19 | krav | the other 10% is 1% aha moments and 9% feeling like an idiot. |
| 18:18.21 | greenman | jelly: well, I took out the quotes and it's still not working... :P |
| 18:18.26 | greenman | not sure where to go from here... |
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| 18:18.54 | jelly | krav: alright, did someone point you to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net* in the last 7 minutes, my irc client got confused |
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| 18:19.16 | krav | SolarNRG: they're just slightly different kinds of feeling like an idiot, the "why isn't this working, I must be an idiot" and "The fix for that was stupid, i'm an idiot" |
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| 18:19.27 | krav | jelly: nah. figured it out. |
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| 18:19.53 | krav | jelly: turns out, when you plug in a usb ethernet card? some systems don't actually bring them up in the sane order, and bring them up USB card first, then on board ethernet card. |
| 18:20.08 | jelly | krav: there is no sane order, really, that's probably why |
| 18:20.20 | SolarNRG | krav, hey that's what talking to ppl's for other ppl have often solved these problems and we're probably all smarter now than we've ever been at any time before thanks to global communication |
| 18:20.30 | krav | SolarNRG: yep :) |
| 18:20.39 | SolarNRG | the problem is keeping up with it all |
| 18:21.08 | SolarNRG | and the other problem is being able to afford all the super advanced tech we got now we didn't have when we were little like it's 2015 there are hoverboards but nobody can afford them |
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| 18:21.51 | jelly | greenman: hmm. do the initramfs debug thing. When you end up in initramfs shell, try to see if /dev/sda2 exists at that point |
| 18:22.07 | krav | SolarNRG: no kidding right? |
| 18:22.21 | krav | SolarNRG: i want to do all the cool things, but having all the cool tech is wicked expensive. |
| 18:22.23 | greenman | jelly: yeah, I worked through that. And yeah, it exists in the initramfs prompt |
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| 18:22.31 | SolarNRG | yeah the future is more advanced, but the future came with a lot of hardship and poverty too |
| 18:22.36 | krav | I need to break out a better switch for my house :/ but i have a superstack 2 that needs new fans. |
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| 18:22.56 | krav | can't have super noisy tech in house. |
| 18:23.04 | SolarNRG | one of the main reasons of the mass exodus from windows to linux was not only the POS spyware and the bill gates revelations, but also a lotta people simply can't afford windows no more |
| 18:23.35 | krav | is there a mass exodus going from windows to linux currently? |
| 18:23.36 | MeatPopsicle | What would you suggest are good sizes for debian partitons? Or how do you put home var and swap in one partition manually? |
| 18:23.53 | SolarNRG | krav, yeah right now there are actually more systems worldwide operating some form of linux than windows |
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| 18:24.03 | SolarNRG | debian is a big contender within that |
| 18:24.05 | r6ku | SolarNRG: you mean for enterprise users? |
| 18:24.07 | krav | cause I just wiped out my last windows machine, but that's mostly because windows 10 just feels. tainted. |
| 18:24.21 | SolarNRG | windows 10 is CURSED |
| 18:24.22 | krav | like, i can't get rid of the feeling that I don't control it. |
| 18:24.26 | krav | and that terrifes me. |
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| 18:25.12 | SolarNRG | word got out about the telemetry, even when u turn it off it still every 5 mins sends shit to microsoft, the moment u plug in a mike it sends a 5 minute recording to microsoft, immediately takes a snap of your webcam sends it to microsoft, it's 1984's ultimate system |
| 18:25.27 | SolarNRG | I'm not touching it with a 60 foot disinfected bargepole wearing a hazmat suit |
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| 18:25.44 | MeatPopsicle | Krav I don't like 10 but I need it for a class so I'm dual booting it with debian |
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| 18:25.55 | markybob | i'm actually surprised at the balls MS had for win 10. it's pretty incredible |
| 18:26.07 | SolarNRG | MeatPopsicle, well why don't you vmware windows 7 or xp? |
| 18:26.26 | krav | i'm planning on getting a copy of win7, and KVMing it for gaming, with a GPU passthrough |
| 18:26.29 | greenman | just to catch everyone up to speed, when I boot, I get this: |
| 18:26.30 | greenman | http://imgur.com/RTSwK0j |
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| 18:26.35 | krav | but it's arch on my home machines, debian at work. |
| 18:26.47 | SolarNRG | tbh a lotta windows games sucked since portal 2 |
| 18:26.54 | SolarNRG | I'm happy enough emulating console games on linux |
| 18:27.07 | krav | and currently centos on my VPS' but that's bound to change at some point |
| 18:27.16 | krav | SolarNRG: true, but i like indy games. |
| 18:27.16 | MeatPopsicle | Solar I don't have a key for either |
| 18:27.27 | krav | and playing older windows games with friends. |
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| 18:28.04 | dartleader | @SolarNRG, not that I don't believe you, but source? I'd like to read up more |
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| 18:28.14 | SolarNRG | best indy games I played were: uplink, star control 2, this war of mine, ori the blind forest, light of altair |
| 18:28.40 | jelly | greenman: "target system does not have requested init" is telling. |
| 18:28.55 | jhutchins | Well, rebooting fixed the hung cifs mounts. |
| 18:29.01 | SolarNRG | dartleader, on what? bill gates spyware, his connection to planned parenthood, his link with vaccines causing paralysys in babies in conjunction with pfizer in west africa, the nazi symbol in the windows logo? |
| 18:29.04 | jelly | greenman: "cat /proc/cmdline" ? |
| 18:29.34 | krav | SolarNRG: darkest dungeon and distance. |
| 18:29.35 | dartleader | SolarNRG, specifically the stuff about sending system snaps to microsofy |
| 18:29.38 | krav | both are stellar. |
| 18:29.46 | greenman | jelly: well it's saying that because it's not booting /dev/sda2 |
| 18:29.54 | greenman | thus no init |
| 18:30.06 | SolarNRG | oh baby there's a linux port to darkest dungeon |
| 18:30.31 | jelly | greenman: it's saying that because it looked at contents of /dev/sda2 and did not find what it wanted as init= ... boot parameter (or default /sbin/init) |
| 18:30.31 | greenman | jelly: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinux-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=<uuid> ro quiet |
| 18:30.42 | SolarNRG | it's off an alt media site, I don't like posting them because they say ohhh that's not from msnbcfoxcnn mainstream so it don't count |
| 18:30.55 | jelly | greenman: is /root mounted at this point? |
| 18:30.56 | SolarNRG | but if you really wanna have a look |
| 18:31.02 | greenman | jelly: yeah, but right before that it says that it failed to mount /dev/sda2 |
| 18:31.17 | greenman | so wouldn't that make it fail to find /sbin/init? |
| 18:31.17 | SolarNRG | here's one: http://www.hakspek.com/security/updates-make-windows-7-and-8-spy-on-you-like-windows-10/ |
| 18:31.20 | jelly | oh, right |
| 18:31.37 | dartleader | ty |
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| 18:31.54 | greenman | jelly: no, I don't think it is mounted at this point |
| 18:32.05 | jelly | greenman: does "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /root" work there? Assuming it's ext4 |
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| 18:32.44 | MeatPopsicle | How do I put the home var and swap in one partition with manual partitioning? |
| 18:32.49 | SolarNRG | here's another: http://investmentwatchblog.com/do-not-install-windows-10-turns-on-microphone-to-record-your-conversations-collects-all-data/ |
| 18:33.18 | greenman | jelly: No such device |
| 18:33.19 | jelly | dartleader, SolarNRG: can you move this to private messages, or #debian-offtopic, please |
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| 18:33.26 | greenman | (I changed it to ext3 which it is) |
| 18:33.29 | SolarNRG | yeah sure jelly |
| 18:33.35 | jelly | greenman: but ls -l /dev/sda2 shows the device node exists? |
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| 18:34.48 | greenman | yup: brw------- 1 0 0 8, 2 Aug 25 18:17 /dev/sda2 |
| 18:35.13 | jelly | greenman: i don't remember, does "blkid" or "lsblk" command exist in initramfs |
| 18:35.18 | MeatPopsicle | Anyone know how to put the var swap and home in one partition with manual partitioning |
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| 18:35.54 | jelly | greenman: run one of those, or both, look at the output, so we can be sure that sda2 is actually the right filesystem |
| 18:37.01 | greenman | yup, it has the right uuid |
| 18:37.11 | jelly | MeatPopsicle: you'd have to set up LVM and make separate LVs for /var, /home and swap |
| 18:37.11 | greenman | screenshotting it |
| 18:37.17 | jelly | hmm |
| 18:37.41 | greenman | http://imgur.com/wcZ5fjC |
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| 18:37.45 | jelly | greenman: perhaps the initramfs is missing ext3 driver for some reason. Do you see ext3 in lsmod output? |
| 18:38.01 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: cool I have my volumes setup! they're all in lvdisplay and mounted correctly |
| 18:38.18 | greenman | jelly: unfortunately I can't tell, there isn't a more to pipe to |
| 18:38.31 | BlaDe^_ | ChrisH: which steps do I need to put into /etc/fstab ? just the mounts? will the PV/VG/LVs persist? |
| 18:38.33 | greenman | ahah! |
| 18:38.35 | greenman | less is there |
| 18:38.41 | jelly | greenman: you can use shift+PageUp to scroll up |
| 18:39.24 | greenman | jelly: wow, I did not know that. THANKS! |
| 18:39.36 | greenman | okay, I don't think I'm seeing an ext3 in lsmod |
| 18:39.42 | jelly | okay... |
| 18:39.50 | greenman | no ext at all |
| 18:40.03 | greenman | which is weird, how can it fsck it if it doesn't know about it? |
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| 18:40.14 | SolarNRG | dartleader, check pm's |
| 18:40.40 | jelly | greenman: which debian release are you using again? |
| 18:40.46 | greenman | Jessie |
| 18:40.53 | jelly | greenman: and which kernel is this? |
| 18:40.54 | greenman | I upgraded from wheezy to jessie |
| 18:41.00 | greenman | 3.16.0-4 |
| 18:41.04 | greenman | -amd |
| 18:41.07 | greenman | 64 |
| 18:41.12 | jelly | that's.. the normal jessie kernel |
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| 18:42.10 | jelly | greenman: is there an ext4 in lsmod output? Apparently ext4 driver now handles both ext3 and ext4 |
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| 18:42.50 | greenman | jelly: I grepped for ext |
| 18:42.54 | greenman | it didn't find anything |
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| 18:43.07 | greenman | I'm curious if there is anything in the old kernel |
| 18:43.12 | greenman | I'm going to boot to it and see |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | greenman: don't do that yet |
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| 18:43.35 | greenman | okay |
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| 18:43.59 | jelly | greenman: is there a /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko in the initramfs? |
| 18:44.23 | greenman | how do I check that in the initramfs again? |
| 18:44.31 | jelly | ls -l ... |
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| 18:44.39 | greenman | oh, duh, I was making it complicate |
| 18:44.40 | greenman | d |
| 18:44.58 | jelly | you're in the initramfs right now, so it's not a problem |
| 18:45.04 | greenman | jelly: yes, that ko is there |
| 18:45.09 | jelly | alright. |
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| 18:45.22 | jelly | so do "modprobe ext4" and look at lsmod again |
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| 18:45.51 | greenman | yup, it added 4 modules |
| 18:45.57 | MeatPopsicle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:46.03 | greenman | now try to mount the drive? |
| 18:46.35 | bitbox | Hi all. Could use a little help, with something that is probably relatively simple, if someone could spare a few minutes |
| 18:46.37 | MeatPopsicle | LVM partitioning let me create / or /home? |
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| 18:46.51 | Lope | does anyone have any idea why, when I rsync my system (including ecryptfs home) to a flash drive, I can boot it, but the ecryptfs home dir doesn't have all the data that it's supposed to have in it, it looks like it's all empty dirs created at bootup/login? I'm basically copying /* and excluding "/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/var/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/home/bob/*" |
| 18:46.55 | jelly | greenman: I think if you exit the shell now, it will try to mount things itself and continue booting |
| 18:46.57 | greenman | jelly: okay, that mount worked |
| 18:47.20 | Chani | bitbox: don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
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| 18:48.26 | note1989 | Hello im writing from my debian-jessie computer with a radeon 6800 graphics card. after i installed updates with the grapical installer i cant use the grapical environment anymore. anybody who has time to help me ? |
| 18:48.28 | jelly | greenman: now "exit" or control-d in that shell, see if boot process continues |
| 18:48.48 | greenman | jelly: I typed exit and the kernel panicked |
| 18:48.56 | jelly | greenman: ha |
| 18:49.03 | bitbox | ok fair enough Chani, i am tring to screen a bunch of old cdroms. each time i put in a new disc though, it shows the data that was on the previous one. any idea how I get it to refresh and show the newly inserted disc instead? |
| 18:49.30 | Chani | o.0 |
| 18:49.46 | jelly | greenman: alright, next time boot with break=premount, do the modprobe ext4 manually, then exit the initramfs shell |
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| 18:50.03 | bitbox | yeah |
| 18:50.24 | greenman | jelly: okay |
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| 18:50.55 | jelly | greenman: I suspect the initramfs image is built incorrectly and does not know "ext4" module also handles "ext3" filesystems, because some critical component did not get upgraded during wheezy->jessie |
| 18:50.56 | Chani | bitbox: well, I don't use debian on my desktop; what program are you using to read the disc? |
| 18:50.57 | BlaDe^_ | I just created a PV, VG and set of LVs and mounted them. If I reboot, what persists? do I just need to add the mounts to /etc/fstab or do I need to do something for LVM too? |
| 18:51.01 | bitbox | I am still very green with linux, so I am prolly overlooking something simple |
| 18:51.24 | bitbox | PCManFM 0.9.10 |
| 18:51.51 | bitbox | just looking at it in the file manager |
| 18:52.32 | jelly | BlaDe^_: if the LVs are not used for boot (ie. not the root filesystem), the boot process will bring your VGs and LVs up at boot time |
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| 18:52.46 | jelly | BlaDe^_: automagically! |
| 18:52.56 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: oh sweet, so I just need to add the mount points to /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:53.05 | jelly | BlaDe^_: pretty much, yes |
| 18:53.18 | Chani | bitbox: oh, I've never even heard of that, let alone used it :/ you might want to try in their irc channel first, or look for some sort of "refresh" option; heck, hitting F5 is worth a try... |
| 18:53.21 | bitbox | <chani>in the file tree view on the left it shows the correct name of the new cd, but the files it dispplays are the ones from previous discs |
| 18:53.44 | greenman | jelly: okay, that worked. :/ |
| 18:53.48 | greenman | YAY! |
| 18:53.50 | note1989 | function({ |
| 18:53.52 | note1989 | function({function({ |
| 18:53.54 | note1989 | function({function({function({ |
| 18:53.55 | greenman | so now I have to figure out how to fix it. |
| 18:54.01 | note1989 | ooops sorry, hotkey |
| 18:54.03 | greenman | should I do an update right now, see if that fixes it? |
| 18:54.08 | bitbox | <chani> what is the assigned function for F5? |
| 18:54.42 | jelly | greenman: try doing an "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" but only if you're certain you only have jessie repos enabled and nothing else |
| 18:54.49 | Chani | bitbox: F5 is a common shortcut for "refresh"/"reload" in many web browsers and file managers. |
| 18:55.08 | nikoma | Hey, I can't seem to get my sound to work on my minimal debian install, the only sound that I can hear is the PC bell |
| 18:55.13 | nikoma | PC beep* |
| 18:55.17 | jelly | greenman: there might be LOTS of stuff for upgrade and removal |
| 18:55.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell greenman about jessie sources.list |
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| 18:55.49 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: I had /dev/md3 /home ext4 defaults,relatime 1 2 |
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| 18:56.03 | BlaDe^_ | u did a umount /home then pvcreate /dev/md3, vgcreate vg0 /dev/md3 etc |
| 18:56.07 | bitbox | <chani> ok hit f5, it closed the file manager, but when i re opened it, it Was showing the new files |
| 18:56.15 | Chani | bitbox: looking at screenshots here: http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html I see what looks like a refresh button, that blue circular arrow. |
| 18:56.18 | Chani | oh :) |
| 18:56.22 | jelly | BlaDe^_: that... nuked the previous contents of your /home |
| 18:56.23 | MeatPopsicle | Manual partitioning is kind of fun once you figure out what goes where |
| 18:56.24 | nikoma | any idea how to get sound to work? |
| 18:56.27 | BlaDe^_ | shall I remove that line from /etc/fstab then just add /dev/vg0/home /home ext4 default,relatime 1 2 and repeat for each partition? |
| 18:56.32 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: I know, I backed it up ! :) |
| 18:56.35 | MeatPopsicle | Hopefully I did it right... |
| 18:56.47 | greenman | jelly: I have my sources set from another time I was in here :D |
| 18:56.57 | jelly | BlaDe^_: yes, that's exactly what you should do in fstab |
| 18:57.10 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: each parittion should be "default, relatime 1 2" ? |
| 18:57.15 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: or each LV rather |
| 18:57.38 | jelly | BlaDe^_: there should be no space between default, and relatime |
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| 18:57.56 | jelly | BlaDe^_: also, "relatime" is now default so you could omit it completely |
| 18:57.58 | Chani | wanders off |
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| 18:58.26 | bitbox | <chani> yeah I see that, in the pic, but mine must be a different version(I am on debian 7) and does not appear on my version |
| 18:58.34 | greenman | jelly: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 18:58.34 | greenman | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:58.35 | greenman | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
| 18:58.37 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: awesome! |
| 18:58.41 | jelly | BlaDe^_: aaand I think it's "defaults" not "default" |
| 18:58.53 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: is there a way tou do the equiv of source /etc/fstab to test if it's correct? |
| 18:58.55 | jelly | (man fstab will know for sure) |
| 18:59.01 | bitbox | <chani> the refresh button i mean |
| 18:59.12 | jelly | BlaDe^_: umount stuff you mounted manually, then do just "mount -a" |
| 18:59.34 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: awesome that worked |
| 18:59.49 | Chani | bitbox: well, keep poking around until you find it, it's got to be there somewhere :) or you can just close and open the app, I suppose |
| 19:00.01 | bitbox | <chani> anyway, this (f5) will do for now, thank you, i will do some more research |
| 19:00.14 | Chani | bye :) |
| 19:00.44 | jelly | BlaDe^_: then it will probably work at boot as well. If you had important filesystems like / moved to lvm, you'd probably have to rebuild initramfs at this point. It's _probably_ not needed in your case. |
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| 19:00.51 | bitbox | <chani> well i trried opening and closing, unmounting and remount and it didnt work. so far just the f5 and restarting the system |
| 19:01.13 | bitbox | <chani> definately prefer f5, of the two...haha |
| 19:01.33 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: I didn't touch root |
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| 19:01.49 | BlaDe^_ | jelly: http://pastie.org/pastes/10375102/text?key=yhoqpswbniroxkhfsxqinq |
| 19:01.50 | bitbox | <chani> anyway, thank you. I will keep poking about |
| 19:02.05 | jelly | greenman: huh. Well. I guess you can use a stupid workaround and add "ext4" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild |
| 19:02.09 | bitbox | peace all. I'm out |
| 19:02.15 | MeatPopsicle | Now we see if it partitioned the dual boot right, moment of truth |
| 19:02.57 | jelly | greenman: you could also try creating a whole new initramfs with update-initramfs ... -c |
| 19:03.14 | jelly | greenman: if you haven't tried that already |
| 19:04.17 | greenman | jelly: I've done -u to update with changes, I haven't done a -c |
| 19:04.30 | greenman | but I know before when I tried it said there was an existing image |
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| 19:07.43 | jelly | greenman: this one's broken anyway, -c might do some good |
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| 19:10.17 | greenman | well creating a new initramfs didn't work... |
| 19:11.11 | MeatPopsicle | woohoo encrypted/partitioned my dual boot correctly, now I dont have to worry as much about WIN10 possibly trying to snoop around on my Debian partition |
| 19:13.04 | greenman | Going to try the workaround |
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| 19:15.59 | note1989 | my graphics stoped woring after update any tips on how to rollback or find the error ? |
| 19:16.10 | note1989 | running ati 6800 |
| 19:16.45 | Equa | note1989: check with /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg |
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| 19:18.21 | greenman | boot passwords are annoying btw |
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| 19:20.26 | note1989 | i checked the logs there is a lot of fail :P and i cant find anything with dmesg |grep -E 'drm|radeon' |
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| 19:23.13 | jelly | greenman: next thing I'd maybe try is "dpkg --purge initramfs-tools", install them back, and rebuild again, see if that makes a difference |
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| 19:24.21 | shovel_boss | give me your conky configs |
| 19:24.30 | shovel_boss | for bars |
| 19:24.40 | jelly | greenman: it might be something in that package, it might be kmod (modprobe, depmod...), dunno what else |
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| 19:27.23 | greenman | jelly: it won't let me purge, dependency errors |
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| 19:28.23 | jelly | greenman: yeah, you want to intentionally break it with "dpkg --purge --force-depends initramfs-tools" and then fix it with "apt-get -f install" |
| 19:28.45 | jelly | there's probably a nicer way to force initial config files... |
| 19:28.51 | jelly | !confnew |
| 19:28.51 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 19:29.16 | greycat | I think confnew only works on packages that used older methods of doing stuff. |
| 19:29.34 | jelly | curses |
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| 19:29.52 | greycat | There's some new thing whose name is escaping me... :-( |
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| 19:30.07 | jelly | !debconfnew |
| 19:30.11 | jelly | noope. |
| 19:30.26 | jelly | purge and reinstall it is. |
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| 19:31.50 | extor | I'm trying to access a Debian/proxmox server in rescue mode but not sure how to mount the partitions. They show up as: /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/md2 /dev/md4 and /dev/mapper/pve-data. I assume it's LVM upon softraid? Not sure where to start mounting or if I should do some raid merging stuff. |
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| 19:33.27 | jelly | extor: "blkid" command might provide clues. Or mount one by one and look at the contents |
| 19:33.36 | jelly | but also:: |
| 19:33.40 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 19:33.40 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 19:33.45 | greenman | jelly: reinstall didn't work. I guess I just have to keep the workaround in there |
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| 19:34.30 | jelly | greenman: I'd try purging and reinstall "kmod" as well, rebuilding again, if that fails probably give up |
| 19:34.40 | jelly | file a bug report! :-D |
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| 19:35.47 | RaSla | Hi there! |
| 19:36.01 | extor | jelly, Im not really asking for proxmox support but rather support with the underlying base OS in that it is actually debian. Especially low level stuff like raid, LVM that comes with stock devian |
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| 19:36.44 | jhutchins | For those of you who haven't looked yet, here's the mess systemd made of my mtab: http://paste.debian.net/304880/ |
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| 19:37.58 | RaSla | Debian-8.1-NetInstCD have a bug with Encryption of Disk (Debian-8.0-NetInstCD works fine) - where I need to make bug-reportabout it? |
| 19:38.00 | jelly | extor: that's fine, but we don't know what changes any of the derivatives did, and it's VERY often those exact specific changes introduce new bugs |
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| 19:38.24 | jelly | extor: for that and other technical and social reasons, we don't support derivatives in here |
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| 19:38.34 | extor | jelly, this might help me figure out which partitions are mountable however I fear I may have to perfom a raid command first, http://pastebin.com/WAb2Yuji |
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| 19:39.02 | jelly | extor: I'm willing however to continue helping in ##linux channel, not here |
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| 19:39.05 | extor | And I dont think we're dealing with a buggy instance here. Just standard debian and even linux stuff such as softraid and all |
| 19:39.09 | extor | ahh ok |
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| 19:39.30 | jelly | sorry, you can ask here if you can reproduce the same issue on actual Debian |
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| 19:40.07 | jhutchins | !bugreport |
| 19:41.14 | jhutchins | extor: fdisk might be able to tell you the partition types (assuming they're correct). |
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| 19:43.07 | greycat | RaSla: I think you can file a bug report against the package "debian-installer" |
| 19:44.01 | zykotick9 | didn't have any issues using deb 8.1 netinst with encrypted lvm... |
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| 19:45.29 | extor | jhutchins, it says use GPT and gparted times out |
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| 19:46.39 | extor | anyway I mounted /dev/md2 thanks to what jelly told me and now I need to reset the root password. Or rather change it to something else. I assume I need to edit the shadow file or do I need to chroot even though my rescue CD is not debian based? |
| 19:46.55 | extor | Or would this be a ##linux questiont too |
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| 19:47.51 | greycat | extor: if the root and /usr file systems are mounted read-write, you can probably use /usr/bin/passwd |
| 19:48.05 | greycat | (or, well, /usr only has to be readable) |
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| 19:51.30 | note1989 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.38 | jelly | extor: since you're not using debian, everything you ask is a ##linux question... People willing to help you can easily join ##linux if they wish |
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| 19:55.30 | jhutchins | Or, y'know, proxmox support. |
| 19:55.40 | note1989 | im using debian and i need help :P. Every previous time my graphics drivers has stoped working i have just reinstalled my computer since its pretty fast. But this time i would like to learn how to save my current installation. |
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| 19:56.28 | jhutchins | note1989: What drivers are you using? |
| 19:56.42 | note1989 | the free ati drivers |
| 19:56.47 | jhutchins | note1989: I'm glad you've made this choice, it shouldn't be necessary to reinstall. |
| 19:57.04 | jhutchins | note1989: So when it boots you get what, a black screen? |
| 19:57.24 | note1989 | pretty much, a blinking cursor |
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| 19:57.41 | jhutchins | note1989: Do you ever get the grub boot menu? |
| 19:57.46 | note1989 | yes |
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| 19:58.04 | note1989 | im on my computer now |
| 19:58.21 | note1989 | ctrl+alt f2 |
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| 19:58.30 | jhutchins | xlnt. |
| 19:58.53 | note1989 | i mean, i have lynx, mutt and tmux and weechat so maby i dont have to restor my computer ;) |
| 19:59.25 | jhutchins | note1989: X logs to /var/log/Xorg.0.log - it's very noisy but you should be able to see what the last complaints are (less +G /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 20:00.15 | note1989 | problem is that im not sure what im looking for, this is my first time using irc and my first time dabbeling in more advanced linux stuff |
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| 20:01.26 | note1989 | device detected but does not match the once in config file |
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| 20:03.22 | note1989 | at first when i tried startx i got some error messages. but after trying to fix the issues i just get "command not found" when i type starx |
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| 20:03.43 | greycat | startx not starx |
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| 20:04.19 | note1989 | just a misspell, i ment startx |
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| 20:05.15 | greycat | Well, misspelling it at the command prompt is the most likely reason for that error too. |
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| 20:06.19 | note1989 | but im not misspelling it |
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| 20:06.52 | greycat | note1989: is the xinit package still installed? |
| 20:07.03 | greycat | (you can check with dpkg -l xinit) |
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| 20:08.10 | note1989 | yes it is |
| 20:08.25 | note1989 | 1.3.4-1 |
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| 20:08.54 | greycat | well, either you've typed it wrong, or you've mangled your shell's PATH, or you've manually removed/renamed the binary in /usr/bin |
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| 20:08.58 | RaSla | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.58 | RaSla | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.34 | note1989 | i did install fglrx-driver for a short while. |
| 20:10.43 | greycat | that should not have removed /usr/bin/startx |
| 20:11.12 | note1989 | starge its not there anymore |
| 20:11.21 | note1989 | strange* |
| 20:11.38 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install xinit |
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| 20:13.34 | note1989 | nice! its back, but now it says im not authorized to run it |
| 20:14.31 | note1989 | but i could run it in another viritual terminal |
| 20:14.40 | greycat | note1989: what does the last line of /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config say? |
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| 20:15.49 | note1989 | its a comment ? |
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| 20:16.07 | note1989 | allowed_users=console |
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| 20:16.25 | note1989 | but i could run it in another terminal |
| 20:16.32 | greycat | well, that's normal... and being able to run it from a console (Linux text virtual terminal) is also normal |
| 20:16.44 | greycat | in what context did it fail? were you inside tmux/screen? |
| 20:16.53 | note1989 | its probably cuz im in tmux.... lol |
| 20:16.58 | greycat | that would do it, yes |
| 20:17.10 | note1989 | sorry for the noobieness |
| 20:17.13 | greycat | if you want to be able to run it from inside tmux, change that file to say allowed_users=anybody |
| 20:17.14 | `ryban | hello |
| 20:17.19 | note1989 | but its nice to learn :) |
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| 20:17.32 | note1989 | really ? cool ! |
| 20:17.46 | note1989 | so i can run gnome in tmux ? and split windows |
| 20:17.52 | note1989 | mindblown |
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| 20:18.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | wait, what? |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | No, it won't run X inside of tmux. It will just allow you to launch X on a new Linux VT. |
| 20:18.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was bout to say, damn, i've been doing it wrong :P |
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| 20:19.58 | note1989 | okey too bad would have been awesome ! |
| 20:20.16 | note1989 | but i still cant get X to run. |
| 20:20.37 | note1989 | "unable to connect to X server: connection refused" |
| 20:21.13 | greycat | That would be the session/client trying to connect to a dead X server. You need to find the earlier error from the X server itself. It might only be available in /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 20:22.40 | note1989 | there is a lot of error, does (EE) mean error ? |
| 20:22.52 | greycat | yes |
| 20:23.10 | note1989 | open /dev/dri/card0: no such file or directory |
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| 20:24.32 | note1989 | man i gotta keep hanging on irc and learn |
| 20:25.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's how i learned. |
| 20:25.22 | note1989 | :) |
| 20:25.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | hard to imagine that was 20 years ago :| |
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| 20:26.09 | note1989 | haha i think im haveing the computer experience you had back then. just a terminal and some colors |
| 20:26.42 | greycat | "You had colors?!" |
| 20:27.12 | note1989 | haha :P |
| 20:27.48 | note1989 | but basicly it fails to open a bunch of "interfaces"? |
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| 20:28.22 | note1989 | vesa: ignoring device with bound kernel driver |
| 20:28.56 | note1989 | Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config selection |
| 20:29.08 | jhutchins | note1989: That's probably just X scanning through it's options. |
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| 20:29.27 | note1989 | unloadmodule: "radeon" |
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| 20:29.35 | note1989 | that last one can be good :P |
| 20:29.51 | jhutchins | note1989: Yes, that was a private chat, I sometimes don't see them for weeks. I also get dragged off by real life, so it's best to be here where others like greycat can pick up the thread. |
| 20:29.53 | note1989 | jhutchins: okey, |
| 20:30.13 | note1989 | tnx you :) |
| 20:30.17 | jhutchins | note1989: It tries a bunch of stuff to see if anything works. |
| 20:30.31 | jhutchins | note1989: If it doesn't work it unloads it and tries the next one. |
| 20:30.37 | note1989 | intressting |
| 20:30.44 | note1989 | but since i have a radeon card |
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| 20:31.13 | note1989 | it feels like that one should hit it home right ? |
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| 20:31.57 | note1989 | Device detected but does not match thoes in the config file. |
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| 20:33.31 | note1989 | before all that error bussiness it says all the ATI drivers it has and mine is in there |
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| 20:36.02 | ElTimo | Anyone know why I can't get in #debian-next? |
| 20:36.18 | Equa | ElTimo: try it on oftc |
| 20:36.24 | ElTimo | Sec. |
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| 20:37.24 | ElTimo | Equa: Sweet, that worked. Thanks. |
| 20:37.44 | Equa | np |
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| 20:39.41 | DebianJessieUser | hi guys i got problem with steam trying to get it work everyone knows what am running |
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| 20:48.12 | note1989 | Soo does anybody have any idea where i can go from here ? |
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| 20:52.46 | note1989 | [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. |
| 20:52.56 | note1989 | is that a clue ? |
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| 20:54.51 | Equa | note1989: are you using gnome desktop ? |
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| 20:56.31 | note1989 | yes |
| 20:56.43 | Equa | note1989: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Troubleshooting |
| 20:56.51 | note1989 | i dont have browser |
| 20:56.59 | Equa | note1989: fglrx driver is incompatible with gnome |
| 20:57.20 | note1989 | i know that but i have not installed it |
| 20:57.30 | note1989 | or i did after the error occured |
| 20:57.35 | note1989 | but then purged it |
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| 20:59.03 | note1989 | maby debians grapical "you need this updates" installed it... |
| 20:59.12 | note1989 | i dident look, was the first time i used it |
| 20:59.26 | note1989 | wanted to try it... i regret that now :P |
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| 20:59.36 | Equa | note1989: do you have a xorg.conf file? maybe rename it or append .old or .bak to it |
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| 21:02.53 | note1989 | cant seem to find it, where would i be located ? |
| 21:03.09 | note1989 | i did a find ./ -name xorg.conf |
| 21:03.28 | Equa | note1989: should be in /etc/X11/ |
| 21:04.08 | Equa | note1989: check with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if you have that too |
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| 21:05.50 | note1989 | i dont have any of thoes |
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| 21:07.32 | note1989 | Equa: i guess i should ? ;p |
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| 21:09.24 | Equa | note1989: i think it's a configuration problem. maybe uninstalll with apt-get purge <packages> and install them all back |
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| 21:13.08 | note1989 | what packages do you mean ? x11? |
| 21:13.48 | Equa | note1989: xorg and gnome |
| 21:14.10 | Equa | note1989: you got rid of the ati driver correct? |
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| 21:15.20 | note1989 | yes |
| 21:15.23 | note1989 | and also xorg |
| 21:15.33 | squinty | note1989, unless you ran "<note1989> i did a find ./ -name xorg.conf" from the root directory the search will not find anything. suggest you use the "locate" command. in a terminal type sudo updatedb && locate xorg.conf (the xorg.conf file itself is not always installed these days) |
| 21:16.00 | bennypr0fane | hi, is it possible to apt-get update just one out of my sources.list? |
| 21:16.16 | note1989 | cant i use apt-get install --reinstall like i was shown before |
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| 21:16.36 | note1989 | i did run it from root |
| 21:16.38 | Equa | bennypr0fane: just apt-get update, then install the package from it and then remove it from the source |
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| 21:17.19 | Equa | bennypr0fane: i hope you're not mixing jessie with sid or anything else |
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| 21:17.24 | bennypr0fane | Equa, but then all my sources will still have been upgraded... |
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| 21:17.34 | bennypr0fane | nope, just Jessie |
| 21:17.47 | greyness | runtime/cgo: pthread_create failed: Resource temporarily unavailable, anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:18.47 | Equa | bennypr0fane: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 21:19.23 | bennypr0fane | I added a repo for LXQt from siduction http://packages.siduction.org/lxqt/ |
| 21:19.48 | vexator | Hi, im trying to connect to irc via TOR, how can i check if it worked? is there a commeand in irc to check ip? im using HexChat |
| 21:19.50 | note1989 | :squinty you where right ! i did find som xorf.conf files under /usr/share/X11 |
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| 21:20.29 | bennypr0fane | Equa, To be able to to install something out of there, I first need to update. I was just wondering if I could only this one new repo for updating, leaving the other ones unchekced |
| 21:20.39 | Ryccardo | vexator: /whois yourself? I see you as 2c0f:f930:0:3::221 |
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| 21:21.02 | note1989 | you can probably comment out all the other repos :P |
| 21:21.05 | Equa | bennypr0fane: add the repo in and comment the rest out |
| 21:21.23 | vexator | thanx :) |
| 21:22.37 | bennypr0fane | Equa, you mean comment them out from the sources.list file? |
| 21:23.13 | squinty | or make a backup copy of your sources.list and then make a new sources.list with only the relevant repo in it. once done switch back to the origianl sources.list. you should also check out your sources.list.d for extra repo's too |
| 21:23.14 | Equa | bennypr0fane: all the other repo except the one from http://packages.siduction.org/lxqt. then do apt-get update |
| 21:24.14 | bennypr0fane | Equa, got it, thanks! |
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| 21:24.38 | Equa | bennypr0fane: check in the directory sources.list.d suggestion from squinty too |
| 21:24.38 | bennypr0fane | squinty: thanks, I almost didn|t realize zou were talking to me there |
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| 21:26.15 | note1989 | Goodnight tnx for the help. |
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| 21:27.12 | Equa | note1989: use apt-get purge to remove the config files too. reinstall isn't enough |
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| 21:36.13 | ZeroBeholder | valdyn: Thanks for the heads up. Intel just plain doesn't sell a 3x3 MIMO in the form factor I want. I've purchased a third card based on the Atheros 9880 ath10k driver. Master mode in linux was the worst offender regarding my gap of knowledge for wireless hardware purchasing. |
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| 21:37.40 | ZeroBeholder | valdyn: I appreciated the pointer. Bah, *Atheros 9880/ath10k driver. |
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| 21:38.04 | ZeroBeholder | stupid keyboard |
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| 21:39.10 | unt182 | hello, i have a problem with ./autogen.sh command |
| 21:39.19 | unt182 | is there anyone that can help me? |
| 21:39.44 | Equa | unt182: what error do you get when you run it ? |
| 21:39.50 | unt182 | access deniet |
| 21:39.55 | unt182 | denied* |
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| 21:40.11 | Equa | unt182: have you made it executable? |
| 21:40.15 | unt182 | even if i give "su ./autogen.sh" or i give it chmod +x or chmod 777 |
| 21:41.00 | unt182 | i have the same error |
| 21:41.17 | unt182 | what should i do? any idea Equa ? |
| 21:41.52 | Equa | unt182: try sh <program> |
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| 21:42.14 | unt182 | what do you mean? |
| 21:42.38 | Equa | unt182: sh autogen.sh |
| 21:43.25 | unt182 | yes, done |
| 21:43.29 | unt182 | thank you Equa |
| 21:43.32 | unt182 | :D |
| 21:43.35 | Equa | yw :D |
| 21:43.43 | unt182 | i will keep it in mind |
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| 21:52.23 | TTT | hi, I wish to cross compile to ARM & uclibc, can I do that on Debian, how? I guess I need to install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi, but then what do I need to do regarding uclibc? |
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| 21:54.55 | Okitain | TTT: there is a manual for that! |
| 21:54.57 | Okitain | http://www.uclibc.org/toolchains.html |
| 21:55.18 | TTT | goes RTFM. |
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| 21:57.54 | TTT | is getting buildroot for uclibc |
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| 21:58.32 | Okitain | TTT: generally cross-compiling means building your own toolchain, it's pretty much inevitable |
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| 21:59.21 | TTT | Okitain, I though prebuilt packages should be available in debian, especially with multiarch |
| 21:59.26 | TTT | *thought |
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| 22:00.29 | r0flc0pt3r | Hey all, anyone know if the following would suffice for multiple query strings in htaccess configuration? -> http://paste.linux.chat/view/6276e403 , thanks in advance |
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| 22:03.05 | Okitain | TTT: well... https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains suggests they have an arm toolchain, but i'm betting 10 bucks it includes glibc pretty much always |
| 22:03.33 | TTT | Okitain, I think you are right on that point... |
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| 22:09.59 | SPF | I'm trying to compile a kernel driver, but /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 has build.save instead of build, can I rename it, what purpose has build.save? |
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| 22:13.41 | siradam | head -20 build.save, and look for clues. hopefully it'll have comments that clarify what it's for |
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| 22:14.54 | Okitain | SPF: what should the "build" file do? |
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| 22:15.11 | SPF | it's a symlink |
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| 22:21.03 | SPF | ,versions linux-kernel |
| 22:21.04 | judd | No package named 'linux-kernel' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:23.57 | cra1g321 | SPF think you're looking for linux-image :) |
| 22:24.07 | cra1g321 | for example - https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 22:26.59 | SPF | I'm on wheezy, strangely enough running 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel |
| 22:27.14 | SPF | so I don't know how to tell apt where to get the source code |
| 22:27.28 | SPF | apt-cache doesn't seem to find it |
| 22:27.52 | SPF | of course I could manually download it |
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| 22:29.09 | Ryccardo | SPF: you upgraded from squeeze? |
| 22:29.26 | Ryccardo | that's where it comes from |
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| 22:30.38 | Ryccardo | and it doesn't provide any "build.save" files either, only a /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/build |
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| 22:31.11 | SPF | no, the build.save was in /lib/modules/2.6.26-5-686/ |
| 22:31.32 | SPF | from the even previous upgrade |
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| 22:32.10 | datacat_ | hi |
| 22:32.13 | datacat_ | LC/LANG/LOCALE |
| 22:32.16 | SPF | so this is wheezy? linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:32.16 | datacat_ | Why aren't none of these set? |
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| 22:33.38 | Ryccardo | SPF: yeah, officially wheezy has a linux-*-3.2.0-4 package (actual version 3.2.68-1) |
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| 22:34.37 | at0m | dpkg: tell datacat_ about crosspost |
| 22:35.15 | datacat_ | :/ |
| 22:35.16 | SPF | ah ok, so I have to change /etc/default/grub (and update-grub) to change into the new kernel? |
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| 22:36.38 | stiky__ | how do i get regular gtk system tray icons to show up in kde plasma |
| 22:37.36 | Ryccardo | SPF: no (unless you did some weird changes) -- just update-grub and check the output to make sure the new kernel is detected |
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| 22:41.51 | SPF | Ryccardo: it's there, but overrided by set default="2" |
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| 22:42.24 | SPF | and 2 is 2.6.32 kernel (0 is 3.2.0-4-amd64) |
| 22:42.38 | Ryccardo | your preference, then :) |
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| 22:49.01 | SPF | Ryccardo: thanks, I booted the new kernel and now the driver is compiling |
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| 22:57.07 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Are any Samba package maintainers here? I'm just wondering when Samba 4.2 will start to be evaluated to eventually make it to jessie-backports. |
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| 22:58.11 | odigem | hi |
| 22:58.41 | odigem | how to install exact version of package ? |
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| 23:00.02 | Equa | odigem: apt-get install package=x.x.x.version |
| 23:00.16 | odigem | Equa: where got list versions? |
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| 23:00.35 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: you can email the maintainers |
| 23:00.57 | Equa | odigem: apt-cache showpkg <package> |
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| 23:03.08 | odigem | fk |
| 23:03.23 | odigem | It does not help |
| 23:03.37 | odigem | Equa: u know how to create profile for firefox? |
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| 23:04.49 | stiky | anyone here using KDE plasma and can give me a hand with the system tray ? |
| 23:04.52 | Equa | odigem: sorry, i don't use firefox. You can create and remove profiles using the profile manager? |
| 23:06.20 | odigem | Equa: i use ff via xvfb i cant cerate profile via manager |
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| 23:09.53 | mtn | stiky, what is your problem/question? |
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| 23:10.05 | Equa | odigem: is this helpful? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Command_Line_Options#User_Profile |
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| 23:11.24 | Vasistha | I'm looking for a good way to mount network drives in the local directory structure. I'm using sshfs now, but fuse prevents other users from getting in. I used nfs many years ago, but found it to be unstable, always dropping. Perhaps it has improved? Other recommendations? |
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| 23:13.57 | odigem | Equa: X necessary for it |
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| 23:15.04 | Equa | odigem: why not use iceweasle from debian or backport? |
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| 23:16.20 | odigem | ehhm? |
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| 23:16.34 | odigem | u use debian??? |
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| 23:16.53 | Equa | , v iceweasel |
| 23:16.54 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.0esr-1~stretch; sid: 38.2.0esr-1; jessie-backports |
| 23:16.55 | judd | /iceweasel-release: 40.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0-1 |
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| 23:17.41 | Equa | odigem: backport is 40.0-x ... not too far off |
| 23:17.45 | odigem | its does not help i change 3 versions |
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| 23:18.19 | odigem | but it vorks in the laste year release |
| 23:18.24 | odigem | works* |
| 23:19.07 | eclectichedgehog | firefox/iceweasel is dead, find something else |
| 23:19.33 | odigem | eclectichedgehog: i use it for dead website :D |
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| 23:19.48 | eclectichedgehog | well thats ok then :) |
| 23:19.52 | odigem | u can call me a necrophile |
| 23:20.44 | eclectichedgehog | starting to prefer vim based browsers these days |
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| 23:21.02 | odigem | too few selenium browsers |
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| 23:21.38 | eclectichedgehog | theres always lynx |
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| 23:21.54 | eclectichedgehog | not too good with javascript though... |
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| 23:28.44 | cxd13 | eclectichedgehog: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 23:28.54 | cxd13 | it's not dead |
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| 23:29.35 | eclectichedgehog | cxd13, true but mozilla is in self destruct mode |
| 23:30.23 | cxd13 | how so? |
| 23:30.43 | cxd13 | because they impelemented something that you're too lazy to turn off? |
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| 23:31.15 | eclectichedgehog | cxd13, thanks for your personal comments |
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| 23:32.26 | cxd13 | figures you can't answer |
| 23:32.53 | cxd13 | usually when people claim a project is dead they have something to back it up with |
| 23:32.56 | eclectichedgehog | we're you around when netscape died? |
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| 23:33.46 | cxd13 | yes |
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| 23:34.12 | eclectichedgehog | firefox is turning into a chrome clone ie, it's addons |
| 23:34.48 | eclectichedgehog | that makes at least three "chrome clones" |
| 23:34.57 | eclectichedgehog | ff edge and chrome |
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| 23:35.12 | eclectichedgehog | not to mention other wannabes |
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| 23:36.17 | eclectichedgehog | sure, there is choice but the market share will dictate its downfall and its going down |
| 23:36.21 | cxd13 | if all 3 are the same as you say i'll still pick the one that isn't made by the ad company or the spyware OS developer |
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| 23:37.02 | Pegasus_RPG | lol cxd13 |
| 23:37.18 | eclectichedgehog | ff is ad driven now |
| 23:37.47 | cxd13 | really? because about:newtab -> about:blank solves that. problem solved |
| 23:37.53 | somiaj | this is all of course off-topic here in #debian. Please stick to debian support. |
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| 23:38.02 | eclectichedgehog | 94% of its investment came from google until they had enough of mozilla's infighting |
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| 23:38.56 | cxd13 | ok the last thing i'll say is the that mozilla is building an ad blocker into its browser natively and already has disconnect tracking list implemented. so your point in moot. it's a nonprofit and they do things to make money but give users the option to disable them which the others don't |
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