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| 00:05.25 | blackjack | guys |
| 00:05.55 | blackjack | how do i install glibc.i686 on debian? |
| 00:06.27 | aZz7eCh | jmcnaught: well i was looking at zpanel, thinking it looks like it might automate a lot of stuff i'm clueless at anyway ... |
| 00:07.02 | aZz7eCh | jmcnaught: then realised, oh, it would allow me to actually allocate stuff to each of my clients spaces etc.. aswell, and give them a panel if i want etc.. and was like okay eys how do i get onto this |
| 00:07.24 | aZz7eCh | so off i go googling and ... hmm. centos this centos that ... |
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| 00:07.46 | aZz7eCh | and no help with debian except to go looking at Sentora instead - and Sentora, looks .. very diff to zpanel |
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| 00:09.59 | jmcnaught | blackjack: you should already have a libc installed, it's a very important library. Are you trying to install something else that needs it? |
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| 00:12.51 | jmcnaught | aZz7eCh: ideally you would know how to do everything that the panel does, so you can fix stuff when it breaks. If you don't need to provide panel access to customers, I recommend learning to use a configuration management system like Puppet or Ansible. If you do need a panel, I don't really have a recommendation other than make sure you know how to fix stuff when it breaks. |
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| 00:17.54 | aZz7eCh | jmcnaught: something like cPanel, Plesk, Webuzo, Interworx, Webmin or ISPConfig3 ? |
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| 00:20.12 | jmcnaught | aZz7eCh: i am saying to avoid that whole category of software if you can, learn how to admin servers without the panels, bonus points for doing it with a config management tool like Ansible, Puppet, SaltStack, Chef |
| 00:20.54 | jmcnaught | aZz7eCh: if you're using a panel because you don't know how to admin a server without one, what will you do when something breaks? |
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| 00:21.13 | aZz7eCh | okay well so far .. i've installed lamp |
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| 00:21.18 | aZz7eCh | set up multiple hosts |
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| 00:21.27 | aZz7eCh | have multiple domains running from it now |
| 00:21.35 | aZz7eCh | was about to install a FTP server on it |
| 00:21.49 | aZz7eCh | then started thinking hmmm... what do these auto installers from my vps host do |
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| 00:22.29 | mo1991reg | markybob - using a self signed certificate still throws errors in firefox that I need to add an exception. Is this the normal behavior? What do you do about this? |
| 00:22.33 | aZz7eCh | then that lead to finding zpanel and me going oh my gosh. so i'm not exactly incapable of googling one of them breaking, then coming here screaming at someone like you to help me fix my broken debian |
| 00:23.36 | n0t | mo1991reg: of course it throws errors. It assumes that a cert that doesnt not from a CA is not valid. If you signed it, you should know it is valid. |
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| 00:24.07 | n0t | doesn't come from a CA* |
| 00:24.33 | n0t | Why don't you go read about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_key_infrastructure |
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| 00:26.16 | mo1991reg | I understand why it throws the error as I signed it, as you can tell I'm a noob at setting up ssl with apache. |
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| 00:28.07 | jmcnaught | aZz7eCh: still my advice is to avoid panel software as much as you can, only use it if you need to provide this to customers. if you do go with a panel, it's worth researching all of the different options because you could be stuck supporting it for years to come |
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| 00:30.29 | mo1991reg | but I am looking to get setup so that all users can connect and login via ssl - does this mean that i need to somehow get a commercial signed CA |
| 00:30.36 | mo1991reg | n0t above |
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| 00:32.48 | jmcnaught | mo1991reg: yes you should get a signed certificate from a CA. You can get a free cert from http://www.startssl.com/ and soon there will also be https://letsencrypt.org/ (!!!) |
| 00:33.25 | mo1991reg | jmcnaught - ok, otherwise I would have to tell anyone visiting the site that they need to add an exception to login via https correct? |
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| 00:33.55 | jmcnaught | mo1991reg: yeah, and that's bad because it's basically training users to ignore security warnings |
| 00:34.00 | n0t | bingo, which defeats half the purpose of SSL |
| 00:34.31 | n0t | one half of SSL is that users know they are reaching the server they are supposed to be, and not an imposter. this is done w/a digital signature on the certificate |
| 00:35.01 | n0t | the other half is that their connection is encrypted & secure for communicate with your now authenicated site |
| 00:35.11 | n0t | So yes, so get a CA signed cert! |
| 00:35.46 | n0t | also jmcnaught brings up a good point, but not the main ones |
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| 00:36.30 | mo1991reg | cool, I get it. |
| 00:36.58 | mo1991reg | one last questions - without using ssl, my drupal or wordpress site login will be totally plain text correct? |
| 00:37.42 | mo1991reg | n0t - totally plain text and vulnerable to man in the middle attack, aka impostor |
| 00:39.44 | n0t | I believe that is correct. It would be serving it as HTTP which was made for just simple text documents not secure transactions or logins |
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| 00:40.32 | mo1991reg | cool appreciate the help guys. This cert stuff is starting to make sense |
| 00:41.26 | jmcnaught | mo1991reg: yes, without SSL the passwords would be transmitted in plaintext (because no encryption), and the site is more vulnerable to man in the middle or imposter attacks (because no verification) |
| 00:41.28 | n0t | satdav: define 'day' |
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| 00:43.32 | mo1991reg | jmcnaught - ok, my thoughts is that I will currently set up the site to force ssl - with my self signed cert so that I can log in securely and edit the site for now - and once that is done make sure I get a public CA to sign the key such as the free one you suggested. Seem resonable? |
| 00:44.15 | mo1991reg | for the moment add an exception since I know it's my key - for secure logins - then once site is done get a properly signed CA for the public |
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| 00:45.11 | n0t | sounds reasonable to me. i don't know how long it takes those free CAs to issue certs |
| 00:45.46 | n0t | i know some companies have a very fast turnover as they just certify you through automated software no a days |
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| 01:06.40 | TekkTekk | Can someone point me in the right direction of doing a Debian install with full disk encryption. As well as making where I can only boot when i have a specified usb plugged in |
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| 01:13.26 | n0t | TekkTekk: For full disk encryption, setup your paritions with LVM |
| 01:14.15 | maazu | how many times must one input passwords to get to bash prompt? |
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| 01:15.25 | n0t | well...guess that's what i get for not having joins and parts shown. oh well, worth not having the spam around. thanks squinty |
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| 02:09.25 | srvk | I'm trying to recompile the 4.1.3 kernel to enable IOMMU for Vt-d support, but I can't find the options mentioned in the guide when I do 'make menuconfig'. Anyone here is using Vt-d for GPU passthrough on kvm? |
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| 02:10.58 | TJ- | srvk: which option can't you find? |
| 02:11.24 | srvk | set "Bus options (PCI etc.)" -> "Support for DMA Remapping Devices" to "*", and others |
| 02:12.34 | srvk | I suspect the guide might be outdated |
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| 02:15.00 | TJ- | sregister: drivers/iommu/Kconfig: bool "Support for Intel IOMMU using DMA Remapping Devices" |
| 02:15.39 | ctmjr | VT-d is for intel IOMMU is for amd and your cpu has to support them |
| 02:17.00 | TJ- | srvk: CONFIG_INTEL_IOMMU and CONFIG_AMD_IOMMU |
| 02:17.03 | srvk | ctmjr: intel's iommu is branded vt-d, my motherboard has vt-d enabled and cpu is supported. |
| 02:17.30 | ctmjr | here is a more updated guide https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough |
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| 02:17.50 | TJ- | srvk: oh, and INTEL_IOMMU_DEFAULT_ON |
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| 02:18.27 | srvk | where are these TJ-? |
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| 02:18.39 | TJ- | srvk: drivers/iommu/Kconfig |
| 02:19.00 | srvk | I didn;t know there was a 'drivers' directory, where? |
| 02:19.11 | srvk | nvm i see it |
| 02:19.12 | TJ- | srvk: Linux source code |
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| 02:22.07 | intelikey | why would a normal command return something like this :~] mc |
| 02:22.07 | intelikey | -bash: /usr/bin/mc: No such file or directory |
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| 02:22.30 | intelikey | alias maybe ? |
| 02:22.42 | centrx | intelikey, Maybe Midnight Commander is not installed? |
| 02:23.02 | srvk | TJ-, I see all of the things you mentioned, but I don't know whether to change anything |
| 02:23.10 | intelikey | it is installed. maybe there is an alias with full path ? |
| 02:23.49 | intelikey | yeah i think i remember doing that. errr NEVER MIND! |
| 02:24.12 | srvk | btw, when I do bool "Support for Intel IOMMU using DMA Remapping Devices" I can see supported devices |
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| 02:24.39 | srvk | no sorry misscopied... when I do dmesg | grep -e DMAR -e IOMMU I can see supported devices |
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| 02:24.51 | anonchaos | i just move to debian and the only issue im having is unlike kubuntu i have to enter a password to gain acesss to my internal hdds. ownership is not root on the drives either. Is there a way to fix this ? i dont know if kubuntu has something debian doesn't have set up. And also im on jessie and kde if that make a difference |
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| 02:25.32 | srvk | anonchaos: when you mount the drive with the password, where does it mount to? |
| 02:25.52 | anonchaos | media is where it mounts with password |
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| 02:29.16 | anonchaos | full path is /media/username im pretty sure its the same as it was in kubuntu on that aspect |
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| 02:36.23 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: these are internal drives, and are they already listed in /etc/fstab? |
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| 02:38.34 | anonchaos | is that something i have to do manually? im new to debain ive always used kubuntu for prolly about 6 years. But i had them already in there when i switched and and they are all in the side of dolphin just when i click them i have to use a password |
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| 02:41.09 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: if the drives are always connected, it would make sense to have them in /etc/fstab. You can read about that file here: https://wiki.debian.org/fstab or with the command "man fstab". |
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| 02:43.50 | anonchaos | ok ill read that but isnt that for auto mount? i see the os drive in there. i dont want auto mount i just wanted to click them and not enter a password ive never had to do that before and its a little annoying |
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| 02:45.09 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: i don't know kde very well these days, but it probably uses udisks2 for mounting storage, you could check to make sure the udisks2 package is installed |
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| 02:45.56 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: /etc/fstab has options like noauto, and user |
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| 02:47.47 | anonchaos | udisks is installed just checked and ok maybe ill try that then. it seems like itd be something stupid its probably a config file that kubuntu does differently than debian with kde thanks for your help |
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| 02:49.40 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: is your user a member of the "plugdev" group? Use the command "groups" to check |
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| 02:52.30 | joshumax | Does anyone here have netcat-traditional installed and willing to test something regarding it? |
| 02:52.59 | anonchaos | yes i am a member of that group |
| 02:53.27 | joshumax | Try entering something like `nc 127.0.0.1 6553555555` and tell me what happens... |
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| 02:57.10 | srvk | joshumax: *** buffer overflow detected ***: nc terminated |
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| 02:57.36 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: do you also need to enter a password when you plug in a usb disk? did you check to see if these disks are already listed in /etc/fstab? |
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| 02:58.49 | joshumax | Darn, it's not just me... how was this obvious bug not previously found? |
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| 02:59.52 | srvk | is it exploitalbe joshumax? |
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| 03:00.26 | joshumax | srvk: Haven't actually tried, I'm downloading the source from the Debian archives right now... |
| 03:00.44 | anonchaos | no i dont not for external and only the os hdd is in fstab. its weird i know it has to be something small thats causing it |
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| 03:01.49 | srvk | joshumax: really weird man, nc shouldn't have such an obvious bug |
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| 03:03.50 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: what kind of file system is on this drive? |
| 03:04.10 | anonchaos | ext4 on all 5 |
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| 03:07.35 | joshumax | The problem seems to be at 0x0000000000402b20, which calls sprintf() with argv[2]... Wish there were debug symbols by default though... |
| 03:08.02 | ctmjr | joshumax: nc 127.0.0.1 6553555555 nc: port number too large: 6553555555 |
| 03:08.57 | joshumax | ctmjr: Are you using netcat-traditional or netcat-openbsd? |
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| 03:09.32 | ctmjr | joshumax: Version: 1.10-41 Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-39) |
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| 03:10.46 | joshumax | ctmjr: Hmm, I'm using that version as well... |
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| 03:12.31 | jmcnaught | anonchaos: like i said, i don't know KDE very well, but you could try the udisksctl command to see if you can view/mount the disks as a regular user |
| 03:12.41 | srvk | crmjr I got as far on the VGA passthrough guide as 'modprobe vfio vfio_pci', but when I do 'echo 1002 6810 | tee /sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci/new_id' i get '/sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci/new_id: No such file or directory' |
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| 03:13.55 | ctmjr | srvk: modprobe them one at a time vfio then vfio_pci |
| 03:14.24 | anonchaos | ok ill try it thank you for your help worst cast maybe ill open a virtual machine and try to see what may have been different in kubuntu than on here. ill check some of the configs |
| 03:14.35 | srvk | ctmjr: :D |
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| 03:16.06 | jmcnaught | "update-alternatives --display nc" to see which is used if both netcat-traditional and netcat-openbsd are installed |
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| 03:17.57 | jmcnaught | joshumax: i get the "buffer overflow detected" error with netcat-traditional, but not with netcat-openbsd |
| 03:18.08 | joshumax | ctmjr: Yeah, I'm not seeing anything in the netcat-traditional source or debian-secific patches that specifically mention the string "port number too large" |
| 03:18.27 | joshumax | I'll try netcat-openbsd |
| 03:19.46 | joshumax | Now I'm getting "nc: port number too large: 6553555555" which makes sense since I see it in the netcat-openbsd source |
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| 03:22.39 | srvk | ctmjr: the qemu arguments are supposed to go in a config file? |
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| 03:27.16 | ctmjr | srvk: if i remember right i put them in a script so i would not have to type so much but after you get it up and running you can use virt-manager to start it it will save your settings |
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| 04:07.31 | me-1 | hi...can you please provide debian lxde torrent link |
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| 04:12.17 | jmcnaught | me-1: https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 04:16.38 | joshumax | Okay who was the genius who let natcat-traditional exist in the Debian repositories? The source is a bug-ridden mess |
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| 04:24.10 | Rusty1 | joshumax: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 04:27.15 | joshumax | Rusty1: The bug report seem to have stagnated sadly... |
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| 04:28.24 | joshumax | Perhaps the best idea would be contacting the maintainer directly |
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| 04:43.03 | AcidRain | how do i install a desktop environment in debian , on a existing server with no desktop |
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| 04:46.03 | shay_shay | AcidRain: depends on what desktop you want. here is xfce as an example: apt-get install task-xfce-desktop |
| 04:47.30 | shay_shay | these are your options: task-gnome-desktop task-xfce-desktop task-kde-desktop task-lxde-desktop task-cinnamon-desktop task-mate-desktop |
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| 04:52.14 | vecciora | Hi jelly. Remember KDE mouse pointer problem? I want to ask you something related to that. I want to know the content of /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme. |
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| 04:52.42 | vecciora | THe content of your index.theme. |
| 04:53.03 | AcidRain | shay_shay, i was looking at gnome |
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| 04:53.29 | AcidRain | so sould it be apt-get install task-gnome-desktop? |
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| 04:56.29 | shay_shay | AcidRain: yes |
| 04:56.42 | AcidRain | thanks |
| 04:58.42 | darxmurf | hi al |
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| 04:59.27 | vecciora | jelly: Sorry. I want to log out. If I need it I'll ask you later. |
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| 04:59.40 | Pegasus_RPG | hello. Any apt-cacher users here? Every few months, its index gets jacked up and machines updating from it get 404s on random otherwise valid requests |
| 04:59.58 | Pegasus_RPG | I see tons of entries like Invalid range: 10588- (cached length 10588) |
| 05:00.07 | Pegasus_RPG | and "Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/sbin/apt-cacher line 507." |
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| 05:19.17 | vecciora | Seems like there is a bug in KDE regarding cursor theme. If the content of /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme contains Inherits = <something> then the theme you selected in systemsettings will be mixed with it. |
| 05:19.33 | vecciora | Even Oxygen themes will be mixed. |
| 05:20.10 | vecciora | Try to change Inherits = oxy-zion. And then select Oxygen Yellow theme. When you resize a window, your cursor will be black (not yellow). |
| 05:20.35 | folivora | Can anyone tell me what is wrong: http://pastie.org/10378577 |
| 05:20.57 | folivora | I've imported key ect as normally, still I get complaing about the key |
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| 05:22.23 | vecciora | Not exactly like that. Hm.... The bug seems to be more complicated. |
| 05:23.00 | jelly | vecciora: I suggest doing "update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme" if you want to change the default, instead of editing the file. Your bug doesn't ... sigh |
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| 05:29.29 | moop | i'm using debian-testing, is there a reason not to do dist-upgrade in favor of the regular upgrade? |
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| 05:33.44 | moop | (every time i update the system) |
| 05:35.41 | jelly | moop: no, there isn't, esp. on testing where dependencies change often |
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| 05:36.07 | moop | so i thought |
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| 06:12.07 | Pegasus_RPG | holy crap this is maddening. There's nothing worse than cryptic error messages and no Web search results |
| 06:12.32 | Pegasus_RPG | reinstalls the damn package |
| 06:13.00 | jwd | moin |
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| 06:30.49 | Pegasus_RPG | WTFFFFFF |
| 06:31.03 | Pegasus_RPG | It's stuff like this that makes me want to break things |
| 06:31.13 | Pegasus_RPG | 1) thing not working |
| 06:31.19 | jwd | ? |
| 06:31.28 | Pegasus_RPG | 2) cryptic error message that does not point to the problem |
| 06:31.43 | jwd | what do you try to do? |
| 06:31.47 | Pegasus_RPG | 3) no information from Web searches, as if I'm the only person in the world with the problem |
| 06:32.02 | jwd | maybe you are :-) |
| 06:32.04 | Pegasus_RPG | jwd: apt-cacher is suddenly not working for jessie machines. |
| 06:32.22 | jwd | what error? |
| 06:32.40 | Pegasus_RPG | some, but not all, of the source lines get 404 errors. the apt-cacher log says |
| 06:32.59 | Pegasus_RPG | Invalid range: 10588- (cached length 10588) |
| 06:33.02 | Pegasus_RPG | Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/sbin/apt-cacher line 507. |
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| 06:33.24 | Pegasus_RPG | and it's saying NOTMOD for sources that are clearly modified because I deleted the cached file! |
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| 06:36.18 | jwd | lets do a small rewind. what been the last things you changed before this happend? |
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| 06:36.43 | jwd | added/changed any apt related things? |
| 06:38.28 | jwd | 404 errors would make me guess that there is either nothing on the remote end, or your local settings make it unable to reach the target |
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| 07:08.06 | DoctorD90 | good morning guys. I have found an ubuntu guide that explain how to build system from sratch. Issue is that they use "casper" package, that in debian there isnt...anyone jnow "capser" package name for debian? |
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| 07:21.26 | Kurvivor | hello! i need advice on the following matter. I am installing debian from CDROM, but during installation it fails to detect CDROM |
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| 07:22.27 | Kurvivor | what do i have to do?.. |
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| 07:25.36 | Deveu | install from usb |
| 07:25.43 | ChrisH | It booted from that CDrom and now it fails to detect? What kind of CDRom is it? Check ALT-F4 for additional error messages. |
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| 07:30.58 | rvr87 | I'm curious, do triggers mostly add/remove lines in configuration files? |
| 07:31.06 | rvr87 | I'm a total newb btw |
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| 07:37.59 | Kurvivor | ChrisH: will do |
| 07:38.28 | tdn | If I am to run a simple Windows 7 VM on my Debian wheezy box. What do you recommend as virtualization platform with DEbian? Virtualbox, KVM, Xen, something else? |
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| 07:41.46 | talin | hello. does docker work well on debian? |
| 07:42.06 | ChrisH | tdn: I prefer Virtualbox on the desktop, esay to use and simple to administer. offers GUI and CLI if needed. |
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| 07:43.06 | tdn | ChrisH, this is a server. Currently with no X. Howver, X progarms are acceptable. The VM that I will host is a Win 7 host, so it is graphical. I plan to connect using rdesktop. |
| 07:43.49 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: do you know how to run xserver on a debootstrapped env? vnc? |
| 07:44.15 | ChrisH | tdn: ssh -X server ; virtualbox and setup, unsure about autostarting th VM, in the past some start scripts where needed, IIRC |
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| 07:44.40 | Kurvivor | ChrisH: ok, there is a bunch of mesages from kernel |
| 07:45.00 | Kurvivor | where should i type and put them? |
| 07:45.16 | tdn | ChrisH, it does not need to be autostarted. Just on demand. I have a legacy accounting app that I need to start once in a while. |
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| 07:47.29 | Kurvivor | cdrom-detect: Searching for Debian intallation media |
| 07:47.29 | Kurvivor | cdrom-detect: Devices: '/dev/sr0' |
| 07:47.29 | Kurvivor | then bunch of lines from krnel about "Unhandled sense code", "Sense Key: Medium Eror", "I/O error, dev sr0' |
| 07:47.29 | Kurvivor | then cdrom-detct: CD-ROM mount failed: device=/dev/sr0 fstype=iso9660 |
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| 07:52.58 | ChrisH | tdn: then virtualbox sounds like the way to go. but I never used KVM nor Xen... Virtualbox and different VMWare products. Virtualbox on Debian is just working for me. |
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| 07:53.28 | swift110-phone | Virtualbox is awesome |
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| 08:00.42 | jwd | if you like oracle tools. :P |
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| 08:01.06 | Kurvivor | what is the command to mount cdfs disc? |
| 08:01.13 | jwd | but virtualbox + vagrant + ansible is nice to test stuff |
| 08:01.18 | Kurvivor | mount -t cdfs ...| |
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| 08:02.16 | ChrisH | Kurvivor: do you mean -t iso9660 ? dunno about cdfs |
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| 08:02.50 | Kurvivor | well. that's what my question is, i do not know what to put under -t |
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| 08:03.14 | Kurvivor | looking at messages, it seems that there is an attempt to mounbt /dev/sr0 |
| 08:03.29 | Kurvivor | and sr is scsi or sata cdrom |
| 08:03.59 | ChrisH | paste it to paste.debian.net but it looks like defective media or cdrom from "Sense Key: Medium Eror", "I/O error, dev sr0' |
| 08:04.01 | Kurvivor | my cdrom is on IDE, though |
| 08:04.43 | Kurvivor | i think that installer is serching for drive on wrong bus |
| 08:04.56 | Kurvivor | how should be devices on IDE named? |
| 08:05.21 | ChrisH | can you run blkid from ATL-F2/3 ? |
| 08:05.33 | Kurvivor | 1 min |
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| 08:06.38 | Kurvivor | 4 lines: first 3 with labels "WIN", "WIN1", "WIN2" - i presume hey are from HDD where windows 98 is installed |
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| 08:07.06 | ChrisH | Kurvivor: if you paste here the bot will kick you again. paste.debian.net |
| 08:07.08 | Kurvivor | aand fourth is /dev/sda7" UUID="..." TYPE="vfat" |
| 08:07.42 | Kurvivor | seems like it is what i need |
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| 08:08.10 | Kurvivor | so, if i understand correctly: i should mount it and tell insaller that it is my cd-rom? |
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| 08:09.52 | ChrisH | sda sounds like a harddisk |
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| 08:12.20 | Kurvivor | i will type on paste.debian.net now |
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| 08:13.32 | ChrisH | Kurvivor: I checked on a box with IDE CDrom and there its sr0, too... so please first check the media |
| 08:14.53 | Kurvivor | ok |
| 08:15.36 | Kurvivor | i typed mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /cdrom |
| 08:15.46 | Kurvivor | now there is something going in |
| 08:16.04 | Kurvivor | that is, components are being loaded |
| 08:17.04 | Kurvivor | install goes forth now, thanks a lot! |
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| 08:31.27 | GoBob | Hi, i want to ask if my hardware is fully compatible with NetBSD. Intel Pentium N3530, RTL8723BE WiFi, Intel HD Graphics, 1 TB WD HDD |
| 08:31.27 | GoBob | It's also UEFI, and a notebook/laptop |
| 08:31.45 | GoBob | I meant Debian |
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| 08:32.59 | jelly | !rtl8723be |
| 08:33.00 | dpkg | Realtek RTL8723BE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:b723) are supported by the rtl8723be Linux kernel driver introduced at Linux 3.15 (enabled in Debian Linux kernel images at linux 3.16-1~exp1). Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8723fw.bin, rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin) and packaged since firmware-realtek 0.39. Not to be confused with <rtl8723ae> devices. |
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| 08:34.12 | jelly | GoBob: debian 8 might work. different uefi devices might require different quirks to get things installed, tho, and it's hard to predict how stable your particular setup is going to be |
| 08:34.21 | GoBob | hat kernel does Jessie have? |
| 08:34.29 | jelly | 3.16 something |
| 08:35.18 | GoBob | I habe a InsydeH20 UEFI BIOS |
| 08:35.25 | GoBob | *have |
| 08:35.28 | jelly | GoBob: if you only have wifi network access and cannot use wired ethernet at boot, you'll have to use unofficial firmware images |
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| 08:35.43 | jelly | wired... at install time* |
| 08:35.57 | jelly | !tell GoBob about firmware images |
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| 08:36.47 | GoBob | I can use wired, but need to seaech my 100 m cable, ans I'm too lazy :D |
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| 08:38.20 | GoBob | Thanks jelly, I'll check it out |
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| 08:39.41 | Zesk | According to syslog one of my server hung after a daily cron job, and after, I get " systemd[1]: Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little." I had to force reboot... any clue of the reason? |
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| 08:43.18 | Zesk | In fact, cron doesn't trigger this error, that happend some time. This server CPU is heavily use btw. I also have " BUG: soft lockup - CPU#4 stuck for 23s! [java:4817]" |
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| 09:06.28 | katyucha | How to make a silent install with package which open ncurses interfaces ? |
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| 09:08.33 | Philly__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:10.20 | rudi_s | Philly__: Yes. |
| 09:10.23 | rudi_s | Maybe wget is installed. |
| 09:10.33 | Philly__ | Yes it is |
| 09:10.44 | Philly__ | rudi_s: Should I install curl, or just use wget? |
| 09:11.03 | rudi_s | Philly__: Whatever you prefer. Having curl installed can't hurt. |
| 09:11.53 | Philly__ | rudi_s: OK, thanks. I've found these commands, but I don't understand what the firs tdoes: apt-get remove apt-listchanges apt-get install curl |
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| 09:12.40 | rudi_s | Philly__: The first would remove the package apt-listchanges, which is most likely not something you want. |
| 09:12.44 | rudi_s | The second just installs curl. |
| 09:12.52 | Philly__ | rudi_s: I'll just use the second then. |
| 09:12.56 | Philly__ | rudi_s: Thank you for your help. |
| 09:13.02 | rafaelcenteio | Hi, I am using the Debian xfce on an HP62 notebook. I have an USB VOIP device and I want to configure the output on this device. I think I am not doing it correctly. Any help would be appreciated |
| 09:13.17 | rudi_s | Philly__: np |
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| 09:13.32 | Philly__ | rudi_s: I need to do this as root right? |
| 09:13.37 | Philly__ | rudi_s: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 09:13.42 | rudi_s | Philly__: Yes. |
| 09:13.45 | Philly__ | rudi_s: Thanks |
| 09:13.50 | rudi_s | np |
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| 09:17.00 | FiZaZue | good morning |
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| 09:18.58 | ghormoon | hi, how can I get rid of ACLs on file to retain only unix permissions? setfacl -b didn't help :( |
| 09:19.30 | rafaelcenteio | I don't know if someone read my message above. |
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| 09:21.07 | v0r0nwe | rafaelcenteio: i read it |
| 09:21.22 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: what are you trying to do? you have it booted or not? |
| 09:21.53 | rafaelcenteio | I think I managed to solve it: I installed pavucontrol. |
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| 09:22.55 | rafaelcenteio | ghormoon I was trying to choose the USB VOIP as the main sound output device |
| 09:23.06 | rafaelcenteio | I think pavucontrol solved it |
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| 09:25.30 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon not yet....im looking at a ubuntu guide ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall ) very well done, but it uses CASPER, that i cant find under debian :P |
| 09:26.38 | DoctorD90 | in meanwhile, leearning to debootstrapping, i'd like to know if it is pssibile run a graphical interface, to get something like a virtual machine instead to run qemu/virtual box etc....saving sources of system too :) |
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| 09:27.18 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: I'm not sure if you wanna run it from the booted live iso or from the chroot |
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| 09:33.33 | DoctorD90 | oh sorry, i let explain better. To run some "strange" software, im used to create a vm, install os, and install there. Learning debootstrap, i can create headless vm. Due to this, i cant run graphical software. Due to told me, you know about debootstrap using, i'd like to know if is possible, once runned debootstrap&chroot, run a graphical server :) |
| 09:33.58 | DoctorD90 | (instead of install virtualbox/qemu, install os from 0, and install then softwares....) |
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| 09:39.05 | themill | DoctorD90: schroot is a handy way of passing in X credentials into the chroot. Note that giving X access pretty much undoes any separation you may have had from running inside the chroot |
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| 09:47.04 | Philly__ | I don't have yum installed either on my Debian VPS. Should I install that in root or as each user? |
| 09:48.18 | jelly | Philly__: why do you want it? |
| 09:48.57 | Philly__ | jelly: To be honest, no idea. I am looking to install PostgreSQL and the install command is this: yum install postgresql94-server postgresql94 |
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| 09:49.59 | jelly | Philly__: debian doesn't use yum. That's a package manager tool for RPM-based distributions. Debian equivalent is aptitude or apt-get. |
| 09:50.21 | Philly__ | jelly: Right I didn't know that. |
| 09:50.35 | Philly__ | jelly: So there should be an alternative command :-) |
| 09:50.39 | jelly | Philly__: you must be reading documentation for a different distro, like centos or rhel or fedora. |
| 09:50.50 | Philly__ | jelly: Yeah, I previously installed on centOS |
| 09:51.49 | Philly__ | jelly: PostgreSQL should be installed as root right? |
| 09:52.23 | jelly | Philly__: all the software packages that come from your distro are installed as root |
| 09:52.24 | jwd | you should install most software as root |
| 09:52.35 | jwd | but not run them as the root user. |
| 09:53.15 | Philly__ | jwd: OK I understand |
| 09:53.36 | jelly | Philly__: which debian release are you using? What's your actual goal? |
| 09:53.42 | Philly__ | jelly: Debian 7 |
| 09:53.59 | Philly__ | jelly: I'm looking to set it up Node.JS and run a website on it. |
| 09:54.02 | jwd | and because ist a vps i assume its connected to the internet. make sure your ports are protected |
| 09:54.34 | Philly__ | jwd: Any documentation around that you can recommend? |
| 09:54.43 | jwd | so you will most likely need node.js and nginx installed infront of it. also pm2 |
| 09:54.44 | Philly__ | jwd: I didn't realise that was an issue. |
| 09:54.45 | jelly | judd: versions postgresql |
| 09:54.47 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.21-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 8.4.22lts4-0+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; jessie: 9.4+165; stretch: 9.4+169; sid: 9.4+169 |
| 09:55.08 | Philly__ | jwd: I've installed node as a user. |
| 09:55.09 | jwd | well every open port in the internet is an issue. the bad boys/girls do not take care of your health |
| 09:55.10 | jelly | Philly__: there's 9.1 in Debian 7 (wheezy), just install it |
| 09:55.49 | jwd | for such a setup i use an ansible playbook to deploy all the needed software and config. so i can make sure i do not forget any dependencies |
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| 09:56.30 | Kurvivor | Ok. During the installation, i was told that there is no matching (i do not know exact term, installed is localized) kernel in apt sources |
| 09:56.33 | jwd | i assume you access the vps by ssh? |
| 09:56.36 | Kurvivor | i am installing from CD |
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| 09:56.42 | Philly__ | jwd: Yes, that's right. |
| 09:56.55 | jwd | then a first step is to protect the ssh server |
| 09:56.58 | Kurvivor | is it possible that i am using wrong netinstall disc? |
| 09:57.00 | Philly__ | jwd: First thing I did was: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 09:57.11 | DarsVaeda | hi I need to get to a folder below my user folder in php running in a vagrant vm, the vagrant folder is in my home folder too, but I can't even get into my user home folder, what file rights do I need? |
| 09:57.12 | Philly__ | jwd: Then apt-get remove apache2-* |
| 09:57.18 | Philly__ | jwd: Then apt-get install htop |
| 09:57.30 | jwd | add your local id_rsa.pub to the hosts .ssh/authorized_keys file adn disable password access in ssh |
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| 09:57.50 | Kurvivor | as for the system, it is NOVA-7896 embedded board with Intel Celeron processor |
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| 09:58.07 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon *_* booteeeeeeedddd xD |
| 09:58.09 | DoctorD90 | from ubuntu guide i have copied/runned this 2 stupid command xD : |
| 09:58.11 | DoctorD90 | depmod -a $kversion && update-initramfs -u -k $kversion |
| 09:58.12 | jwd | then you can access the vps without pasword and others (those who do not have your key) will not be able to even try to guess passwords |
| 09:58.15 | DoctorD90 | editing update.int with live version i have found out yesterday :D yeeesss xD |
| 09:58.26 | DoctorD90 | now i will have to change from syslinux to grub >.> |
| 09:58.31 | DoctorD90 | btw....MANY THX FOR YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT!!!! :D i very very thx you :) I hope just that you have solution to boot up from a debootstrapped/chroot env in a gui mode :D MANY THX! |
| 09:58.33 | Philly__ | jwd: OK, yes, I'll do that. |
| 09:58.51 | DoctorD90 | themill may I ask you a little infos about ?? i havent totally understand your sentence :) |
| 09:59.01 | Philly__ | jwd: Should I make sure I am running latest Debian version? |
| 09:59.07 | jwd | as i said i use ansible playbooks to set all such up |
| 09:59.17 | Philly__ | jwd: ansible |
| 09:59.19 | jwd | wheezy will do. even tho jessie is the current stable |
| 09:59.19 | Philly__ | jwd: I'll look it up |
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| 10:00.11 | Philly__ | jwd: I will use playbooks once I know how to do it manually |
| 10:00.15 | jwd | for the software deployment part i use parts of a small project that helps to do an initial secure setup of debian |
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| 10:00.25 | ghostinzshell | Must I upgrade to testing before unstable? |
| 10:00.26 | thomas_d | how to strace network manager? |
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| 10:00.54 | thomas_d | need to strace an openvpn connection, I've been connecting using network manager gui thing though, need to keep using that method as that's the method I need to troubleshoot.. |
| 10:01.01 | jwd | look at debops.org to playbooks. there you get a nice overview what you can automate :P |
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| 10:01.49 | jelly | Philly__: well, with debian 8 you'll get postgres 9.4. I don't know if that's important for your environment or not |
| 10:02.18 | jwd | another advice. if you install things like databases. make sure the ports are only bound to the localhost and not to the public interface. that way they can't be reached from outside and abused |
| 10:02.53 | Philly__ | jelly: I don't think it matters. I'll soon find out though :) |
| 10:02.57 | Philly__ | jwd: Thanks for the advice. |
| 10:03.04 | jwd | yw |
| 10:03.16 | jelly | ghostinzshell: that's probably a good idea because a stable->testing switch has a better chance of success (testing is usually less broken than unstable) |
| 10:03.38 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Oh okay. |
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| 10:03.49 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Suppose I wanted a straight up Unstable install? |
| 10:03.54 | jwd | i would only use testing/unstable in rare cases. the stable realease is there for a reason |
| 10:03.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell ghostinzshell about sid faq |
| 10:04.42 | thomas_d | How do you open the networkmanager from the GUI? :| |
| 10:04.48 | jelly | ghostinzshell, jwd: unstable is not for "using". It's for fixing bugs in debian |
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| 10:04.50 | thomas_d | from the terminal*** sorry |
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| 10:05.28 | jwd | agreed to that |
| 10:05.33 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Then I guess testing would be a better fit if I wanted newer packages? |
| 10:05.44 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Since it's only a few days behind unstable at the most. |
| 10:05.54 | jwd | testing means the next upcoming release |
| 10:06.09 | jelly | ghostinzshell: using backports would be a better fit if you don't plan on reporting and fixing bugs |
| 10:06.12 | jwd | but still thats not the common usable version |
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| 10:06.58 | Haxxa | I don't get it - many people are really loyal to arch can't a minimalistic install be achieved by using net install on debian - genuinely not sure what differences account forthe popularity - any ideas? |
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| 10:07.18 | jelly | ghostinzshell: if however you're not afraid of things breaking, and you have a second machine to do actual work if stuff breaks horribly, then yeah, try testing |
| 10:07.53 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Actually the reason for my question is cause I'm an Arch user looking to try Debian but with bleeding edge packages. |
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| 10:08.04 | jwd | Haxxa: i not understand fully what you mean |
| 10:08.29 | jwd | bleeding edge packages. *yuck* |
| 10:08.50 | ghostinzshell | Haxxa: One of the reasons could be the ArchWiki, newer users looking to try out rolling releases have documentation tailored for Arch. |
| 10:08.52 | jelly | ghostinzshell: I don't think such a distro exists. You can try testing given the caveats above. |
| 10:08.54 | jwd | *stable* is more important than bleeding |
| 10:09.06 | jelly | jwd: different people have different priorities. |
| 10:09.13 | ghostinzshell | jelly: Exactly. |
| 10:09.27 | jwd | agreed. but my question would be if debian is the right disto then |
| 10:09.50 | jwd | but well i use debian on servers basicaly. those might vary in milage |
| 10:10.00 | Haxxa | I must admit wiki is amazing - like I use regardless of distro - just really well done... |
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| 10:10.13 | lophos | Hello, please can you confirm me that Debian squeeze is obsolete and not updated? |
| 10:10.36 | ghostinzshell | jwd: Probably? My main gripe with Arch is that it feels like I'm never finished with installing my system. |
| 10:10.43 | jelly | lophos: there's still some support, but only for i386 and amd64 architectures. |
| 10:10.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell lophos about squeeze lts |
| 10:10.51 | lophos | thanks! |
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| 10:11.07 | lophos | I read the squeeze page but I didn't found any LTS info |
| 10:11.08 | jelly | lophos: and only if you actually enable and use squeeze-lts. |
| 10:11.10 | jwd | installing systems is something done by tools. i just do a base minimal install and fire up ansible |
| 10:11.33 | lophos | A friend is using a hosting with tons of open ports, and mysql responds 5.1.66-0+squeeze1 |
| 10:11.35 | jelly | lophos: read what dpkg told you in the private message |
| 10:11.45 | ghostinzshell | jwd: At least with Debian, there's tasksel so I know most of my day to day needs are covered under that. But I do still like the idea of the latest packages being available. |
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| 10:11.51 | jelly | ,v mysql-server-5.1 |
| 10:11.52 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.1 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1 |
| 10:12.18 | jelly | lophos: that doesn't seem to match the squeeze-lts version above |
| 10:12.34 | lophos | so surely the server runs obsolete squeeze, isn't it? |
| 10:12.36 | lophos | thank you |
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| 10:12.59 | jelly | lophos: that seems likely |
| 10:13.07 | lophos | Big thanks |
| 10:13.29 | jwd | as i said. i use debops to automate tasks. if there is realy need there might be stoll backports |
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| 10:13.48 | jelly | lophos: tell them about squeeze-lts, and even without squeeze-lts they seem not to have done any patching for a while |
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| 10:18.42 | zhanghaodong | what are you å¼å¥å§ |
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| 10:19.52 | cuihao | zhanghaodong, this is an english channel |
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| 10:24.40 | lord_rob | Hi! How can I see all the packages depending on package foo? |
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| 10:26.27 | vickycq | lord_rob, apt-cache show foo |
| 10:26.41 | vickycq | apt-cache show foo | grep Dep |
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| 10:27.07 | SynrGy | lord_rob: a couple of ways. apt-rdepends -r foo, or apt-cache rdepends foo |
| 10:27.28 | SynrGy | vickycq: no. that's the opposite of what lord_rob asked for |
| 10:27.29 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: I'd just install some desktop enviromnemnt in the chroot before packing up the squashfs |
| 10:27.56 | vickycq | Sorry, I stand corrected |
| 10:29.46 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon yes, im using some megabytes of my internet promotion to instal lxde...as ligth it is...btw, about "schroot" ? have you ever used it? |
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| 10:30.22 | SynrGy | lord_rob: and if you wonder why the different results for each command, there are different defaults as to which dependency relationships are followed & recursiveness. see the man pages for each. |
| 10:30.38 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: nope, chroot was enough for my case |
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| 10:32.04 | lord_rob | thank you SynrGy (and thank you vickycq also even if that did not answer my question, I did not remember that) |
| 10:32.09 | DoctorD90 | ok .D many many thx ghormoon |
| 10:32.19 | SynrGy | lord_rob: in brief, apt-cache rdepends doesn't recurse but follows all relationships. apt-rdepends does recurse, but only follows Depends and Pre-Depends |
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| 10:32.45 | vickycq | lord_rob, Sorry for providing the wrong infomation |
| 10:32.51 | lord_rob | np |
| 10:33.24 | SynrGy | lord_rob: personally i find apt-cache rdepends a bit unwieldly and apt-rdepends usually does what i want. |
| 10:33.35 | DoctorD90 | maybe themill will may help me with schroot :D |
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| 10:34.29 | lord_rob | I thought aptitude did the job |
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| 10:42.01 | lord_rob | erm yes if you start to recurse the list becomes really long :) |
| 10:42.36 | SynrGy | if you recurse on all relationships, yes :) |
| 10:42.57 | SynrGy | and the switches to suppress all the relationships you don't want to see for apt-cache rdepends are a bit awful |
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| 10:43.29 | Haxxa | Anyone know if UPS USB Interface is standardised - I'm buying my first for linux server and it states: USB Option |
| 10:43.30 | Haxxa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.34 | Kurvivor | I am trying to install a Debian system from netinstall disc |
| 10:48.49 | SynrGy | Haxxa: to a certain extent. virtually all "smart" UPSes do snmp |
| 10:49.12 | Kurvivor | At some point (after installing kernel files), machine went into reboot and then back into netinstall disc boot |
| 10:49.21 | SynrGy | Haxxa: which means nut-snmp (in theory) can handle it |
| 10:49.38 | jwd | just eject the disc on the reboot stage? |
| 10:49.39 | Kurvivor | how can i figure out how much the installation progressed and how to properly finish it? |
| 10:50.04 | SynrGy | Haxxa: but you might want to check with the nut project if they know about the model you're interested in |
| 10:50.13 | Kurvivor | jwd: what if the installation is not complete? |
| 10:50.23 | Kurvivor | i have booted machine in recovery mode |
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| 10:50.38 | Kurvivor | is there something i can do from there? |
| 10:50.40 | jwd | you could fire the installer |
| 10:51.09 | SynrGy | Haxxa: er, that is the network-accessible ones. |
| 10:51.33 | SynrGy | but you asked about USB. hmm |
| 10:51.40 | Haxxa | https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/blazer-pro-600va360w-line-interactive-ups-blazer/ |
| 10:51.45 | Haxxa | this one specifically |
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| 10:52.01 | SynrGy | again, i'd check with nut upstream about it |
| 10:52.15 | SynrGy | i wouldn't want to buy based on general advice |
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| 10:53.19 | SynrGy | Haxxa: there is http://www.networkupstools.org/docs/man/blazer.html |
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| 10:53.28 | SynrGy | i don't know if that covers your model or not. didn't read it in detail |
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| 10:54.14 | SynrGy | Haxxa: check it against http://www.networkupstools.org/stable-hcl.html |
| 10:56.24 | dgriffi | how could I have messed up my system such that sizeof(unsigned long) is sometimes 8 and sometimes 4? |
| 10:56.52 | rozie | multilib, maybe? |
| 10:57.54 | dgriffi | rozie: I'm not consciously using multilib |
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| 10:58.53 | dgriffi | I'm using a library that must have unsigned longs be four bytes. |
| 10:59.11 | Kurvivor | jwd: thanks. i will try what you said |
| 10:59.27 | dgriffi | my program that uses it will return 4 for sizeof(unsigned long) |
| 10:59.55 | dgriffi | but on the same machine, a simple c program that all it does is print out sizeof(unsigned long), it reports 8 |
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| 11:00.40 | dgriffi | this is driving me nuts because I need to go back to my testing programs and I can't get them to work because the library is throwing errors that unsigned long is the wrong size |
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| 11:02.47 | dgriffi | I started developing this program on a 32-bit system and when I went to a 64 bit system, there were no complaints |
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| 11:06.08 | dgriffi | anyone? |
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| 11:08.34 | wallbroken | i need to install this: |
| 11:08.35 | wallbroken | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-ralink |
| 11:08.41 | wallbroken | can you help me in how to do it? |
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| 11:10.16 | dgriffi | wallbroken: go to Download firmware-ralink and click on "all" to download the package |
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| 11:10.36 | dgriffi | wallbroken: then when you get the package, do "dpkg -i <filename>" |
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| 11:12.17 | justatech | any can help me my linux system always restart even if i give shutdown command or init o what shouild i do?? |
| 11:12.34 | dgriffi | oh god... I really shouldn't debug at this hour |
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| 11:12.58 | dgriffi | justatech: have you tried "shutdown -h now"? |
| 11:13.07 | dgriffi | the -h flag means "halt" |
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| 11:14.10 | hashworks | Hi. So I made 'du' show me the size of my / partition (145GB), however df -H tells me it has 240GB used. Only other partition on that device is /boot since / is crypted. Any ideas? |
| 11:14.20 | dgriffi | rozie: I'm sorry I dumped on you. I figured out my problem and the diagnosis is sleepless stupidity. |
| 11:14.41 | justatech | dqriffi nither works |
| 11:14.58 | dgriffi | justatech: what happens? |
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| 11:15.11 | justatech | reboots as always dgiriffi |
| 11:15.44 | dgriffi | justatech: I shouldn't be answering questions at this hour. I already embarassed myself with a blindingly obvious problem. |
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| 11:16.05 | dgriffi | is there anyone here awake enought to try? I'm bowing out for a few hours. |
| 11:16.06 | justatech | http://termbin.com/vqm1 this is my log dgriffi |
| 11:16.23 | justatech | dgriffi can you help me later i will be readyh |
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| 11:16.58 | dgriffi | justatech: just wait around and someone else should be able to help you. |
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| 11:20.49 | menace | Hi, i wanted to see whether my hardware virtualization is enabled in debian jessie. i tried the msr-thing (loading module and sudo rdmsr 0x3A). the Webpages say that everything other than 1 and 3 is nice, normal output is 5 and they described the returnvalue is a bitfield. my output is 7. which is 1,2 and 4. so i am not sure, whether virtualization now is enabled or not. any idea how to handle this? |
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| 11:23.57 | wallbroken | which is the tool to scan wlan from terminal? |
| 11:25.16 | jwd | grep --color vmx /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:25.28 | hexnewbie | meaneye: I am not sure how this is better than the solutions described here: http://virt-tools.org/learning/check-hardware-virt/ |
| 11:25.40 | jwd | or svm if its an amd processor |
| 11:25.56 | hexnewbie | meaneye: But 7 = 5 | 2 |
| 11:26.29 | hexnewbie | meaneye: So whatever 5 means, all of 5 is enabled. :) |
| 11:26.35 | menace | vmx is there, but as far as i understand, that does not mean it is enabled |
| 11:26.44 | menace | hexnewbie: yes, that's the point |
| 11:26.48 | menace | 7 == 5 | 2 |
| 11:27.10 | jelly | menace: if "modprobe kvm-intel" works, it works |
| 11:27.29 | hexnewbie | menace: And the difference between 1 and 3 is also enabled. However, that sounds like testing supported capabilities again. |
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| 11:27.32 | jelly | or modprobe kvm and let the kernel pick the backend |
| 11:27.41 | menace | well dmesg | less and looking for kvm returns nothing, but kvm_intel is loaded |
| 11:27.48 | menace | hrm |
| 11:27.55 | jwd | and most likely you bios will not report the existance if you disabled it |
| 11:27.56 | jelly | menace: hw support is present, then |
| 11:28.07 | hexnewbie | menace: Maybe the dmesg got cleared/rotated. Check /var/log/kern.log. But if the module is loaded, it's probably fine. |
| 11:28.17 | menace | the installation seems slow, though i use lvm for storage and with hw virtualization enabled... |
| 11:28.39 | menace | ah. |
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| 11:29.11 | menace | kern.log: Failed to probe capabilities for /usr/bin/kvm: unsupported configuration: QEMU 2.1.2 is too new for help parsing |
| 11:30.01 | jelly | that seems... not directly related |
| 11:30.37 | TJ- | menace: kvm_intel will only write to dmesg if VMX is disabled. On Intel MSR 0x3A bits are : bit 1 == enable, bit 0 == locked |
| 11:30.42 | jelly | hates when systemd/journald fills kern.log with userspace crap |
| 11:31.52 | TJ- | menace: typo! grrr bit 2 == enable |
| 11:31.56 | hexnewbie | I can confirm. My kvm_intel has written nothing to dmesg. |
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| 11:32.42 | TJ- | I did a lot of BIOS hacking many years ago to enable Intel VT where BIOS was disabling/locking it with no user config option |
| 11:32.48 | menace | ah |
| 11:33.40 | TJ- | From my articles on it: "rdmsr 0x3A == 5. That shows bit-2 (0x04) and bit-0 (0x01) of MSR 0x3A are set. bit-2 is the VT enable bit. " |
| 11:34.33 | TJ- | " If VT wasn't enabled, kern.log would have shown: kernel: [ 227.215440] kvm: disabled by bios" |
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| 11:47.19 | jelly | TJ-: nice, what about bios hacking to enable VT-d on boards that went "DMAR: BIOS has allocated no shadow GTT; disabling IOMMU for graphics" |
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| 11:51.17 | ikkuplio | hello. i need to read some debconf variables in my perl script. since "Debconf::Client::ConfModule" messes with STDIN and STDOUT i'm having problems reading STDIN. i just need to read variables from the DB. Is there a better way to read DebConf variables without using this module? |
| 11:52.26 | ikkuplio | I could ofcourse use "debconf-show ..." and than mess with the string,m but that seems fragile, ie if there are multiline inputs aso... |
| 11:52.37 | rozie | dgriffi: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures ? |
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| 11:55.12 | menace | ok, i copied "kvm-ok" from an ubuntu machine to my debian jessie machine. it says "acceleration can be used". so that's nice. but my virtual machine is still relatively slow for installing a minimal system over local network (fai) with hw-virt-support and lvm-volumes as storage.. to slow i think.. but thanks for the help! |
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| 11:59.53 | Zesk | Someone answered me earlier about my issue on systemd[1]: Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little. |
| 11:59.53 | Zesk | and kernel BUG: soft lockup. Could you repeat? ^^ |
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| 12:29.28 | FreeHu | Is it possible to make Ubuntu *not* group apps when toggling through windows with ALT+TAB? |
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| 12:32.42 | vlt | FreeHu: I don't know. Maybe over in #ubuntu. But I know the Alt + ^ (the key just above the tab key) combination. |
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| 12:33.31 | FreeHu | oh, ALT+^ is interesting |
| 12:33.41 | FreeHu | a "normal" ALT+TAB would still be better though |
| 12:33.46 | FreeHu | will as in #ubuntu |
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| 12:43.22 | scanf | awww they moved the moo response to private chat lol |
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| 13:10.57 | Paul__ | Hello. How could I download the packages lxde and lxde-common without setting it up ? I mean, I want to download these packages *and* keep my XFCE+Openbox... |
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| 13:17.16 | jmcnaught | Paul__: when you have more than once DE or window manager installed you can pick which one to use at the login screen |
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| 13:20.19 | towo^work | and installing a new WM/DE does not change the setted defaults in the login manager |
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| 13:23.50 | TJ- | jelly: Re lack of shadow GTT - That needs Intel/Mobo maker to do, they need to add a GTT RMRR |
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| 13:26.07 | wallbroken | https://packages.debian.org/it/source/sid/network-manager-applet |
| 13:26.09 | wallbroken | where is it? |
| 13:26.36 | wallbroken | claudio@debian:~$ sudo apt-get install network-manager-applet does not find it |
| 13:28.41 | themill | wallbroken: you don't install source packages, you install the binary packages made from the source |
| 13:29.02 | wallbroken | ok, and how to do it? |
| 13:29.19 | wallbroken | mate-gnome-main-menu-applet |
| 13:29.21 | themill | by choosing the name of the binary package you want to install? |
| 13:29.22 | wallbroken | maybe is it? |
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| 13:31.35 | markybob | wallbroken, apt-cache search to help find what you're looking for. btw, in this case you probably want network-manager-gnome |
| 13:32.07 | wallbroken | i installed it |
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| 13:32.14 | wallbroken | but is not enought |
| 13:32.30 | wallbroken | network manager docklet on docky won't work |
| 13:34.41 | themill | network-manager-gnome is not a docklet |
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| 13:49.46 | wallbroken | if you install "docky" |
| 13:49.52 | wallbroken | you will see in the docklets list |
| 13:49.57 | wallbroken | "network manager" |
| 13:50.03 | wallbroken | you can add it. but it does not work |
| 13:50.16 | wallbroken | so maybe there need some extra component i guess... |
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| 14:11.02 | Ephexeve | hey guys, trying to install termite on debian testing, is there any deb available? |
| 14:11.15 | Ephexeve | compiling from source is a pain, can't find the gtk.h in debian testing |
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| 14:13.18 | jelly | Ephexeve: what is it? |
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| 14:13.51 | Ephexeve | jelly: it's a terminal emulator |
| 14:13.54 | Ephexeve | https://github.com/thestinger/termite |
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| 14:14.50 | markybob | Ephexeve, install libgtk-3-dev and/or libgtk2.0-dev should probably solve your issue. i don't know of a package |
| 14:14.53 | jelly | Ephexeve: does testing even have vte-ng dependency? |
| 14:15.12 | Ephexeve | jelly: I don't think so, afaik. Will need to compile from source too :( |
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| 14:15.52 | Ephexeve | any good terminal emulator recomendation? |
| 14:16.01 | Ephexeve | No terminator or xfce4 terminal please :p |
| 14:16.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | i hear xterm is pretty good. |
| 14:17.14 | jelly | Ephexeve: rxvt-unicode |
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| 14:17.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_terminal_emulators |
| 14:17.59 | Ephexeve | thanks! |
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| 14:21.06 | lord_rob | I'm pretty satisfied of kde konsole |
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| 14:25.04 | jelly | yeah, kconsole is nice but requires half the kde for deps |
| 14:25.12 | jelly | konsole* |
| 14:25.27 | darxmurf | I like terminator |
| 14:25.38 | darxmurf | :D |
| 14:25.48 | darxmurf | sorry, did not see your comment :D |
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| 14:26.18 | beastwick987 | So I have my native Debian drive booting in a Vbox VM in Windows host. I have guest additions installed and when I run 3d programs it crashes with GLX extension not found for display :0 |
| 14:26.29 | beastwick987 | I've read online it might be because I have the nvidia driver isntalled |
| 14:26.40 | beastwick987 | but i'd like to know if there is a work around instead of removing the nvidia driver |
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| 14:26.59 | beastwick987 | this way if I boot natively I don't have to reinstall that vid driver, but it will still work in my vbox. |
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| 14:29.26 | Pegasus_RPG | jwd: sorry, I was sleeping |
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| 14:30.05 | Pegasus_RPG | jwd: I haven't changed anything with apt, on either the apt-cacher server or the client, other than regular debian updates |
| 14:30.15 | jwd | that does not matter. i forgot anyway what we spoke about i fear. |
| 14:30.15 | jwd | to much talks today |
| 14:30.31 | jwd | ah that topic |
| 14:30.46 | Pegasus_RPG | And wheezy clients can still update fine from the same server |
| 14:30.59 | jwd | https access or http? |
| 14:31.06 | Pegasus_RPG | http |
| 14:31.23 | Pegasus_RPG | (LAN) |
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| 14:32.25 | jwd | only issues so far i had been network issues to the remotes or selfmade problems like changed firewall rules. my apt_cacher works fine somehow |
| 14:32.31 | Pegasus_RPG | wonders if having wheezy and jessie clients update from the same server is a problem |
| 14:32.49 | Pegasus_RPG | Mine was working fine though too until a few days ago |
| 14:33.00 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm about ready to just purge it and reinstall |
| 14:33.24 | Pegasus_RPG | What's strange is that it's saying NOTMOD for lists that were empty |
| 14:33.38 | darxmurf | folks... time for a beer ! |
| 14:33.50 | Pegasus_RPG | (If I delete the *lists* files from /var/cache/apt-cacher/headers/ and packages/) |
| 14:34.12 | Pegasus_RPG | And it says MISS for the ones that work (in that case, otherwise HIT if they're there.) |
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| 14:34.31 | Pegasus_RPG | It's as if it thinks nothing has changed even though the list files being requested are missing. |
| 14:34.50 | Pegasus_RPG | therefore the 404 error when the client requests them |
| 14:35.25 | Pegasus_RPG | Where is apt-cacher's database? I want to just delete that and see if that fixes it |
| 14:35.32 | Pegasus_RPG | jwd: ^ |
| 14:35.50 | jwd | looking |
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| 14:36.09 | jwd | mine is configured from this template https://github.com/debops/ansible-apt/blob/master/templates/etc/apt-cacher-ng/acng.conf.j2 |
| 14:36.22 | jwd | that should be close to the basic one |
| 14:36.59 | Pegasus_RPG | oh that's apt-cacher-ng, different thing |
| 14:37.21 | jwd | oki |
| 14:37.32 | jwd | any way to debug whats going on? |
| 14:37.46 | jwd | debug/error logs maybe show more details? |
| 14:37.52 | Pegasus_RPG | other than looking at the error.log which isn't helpful |
| 14:38.05 | Pegasus_RPG | It's just saying values don't match |
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| 14:39.46 | jwd | sorry then i am out of ideas for the moment |
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| 14:43.16 | jwd | i would now double check that the sources lists on the wheezy/jessie nodes are correct, that the clients can connect to the cache without any issues first |
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| 14:43.54 | jelly | jwd: read: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list, /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
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| 14:44.40 | jwd | u think my client is not capable to do that |
| 14:45.05 | jwd | i* |
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| 14:46.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Yes, since they are getting some of the sources, just not all of them |
| 14:47.33 | Pegasus_RPG | bah, I'll just copy out the cached packages and config file, purge and reinstall. If that doesn't fix it, I'm out of ideas. :P |
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| 14:48.09 | Pegasus_RPG | Thanks for your help jwd !! |
| 14:48.21 | jwd | i wish i would have helped at all :P |
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| 14:57.45 | Pegasus_RPG | Sanity checks are helpful too :) |
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| 15:16.43 | wallbroken | what does it means? |
| 15:16.53 | Ephexeve | any idea how to disable xfce4-terminal ALT+N to switch tabs? I want to disable that |
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| 15:44.54 | jaksi07c8 | hi |
| 15:45.56 | jaksi07c8 | i'm trying to boot a debian cloud (openstack) image with qemu and use a nocloud cloud-init source with it |
| 15:46.13 | jaksi07c8 | but it doesn't seem to detect the drive with the cloud config as a data source |
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| 15:46.22 | jaksi07c8 | the same configuration works with ubuntu trusty |
| 15:46.31 | jaksi07c8 | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 15:48.25 | jelly | jaksi07c8: hm, didn't know Debian had offcial images, where did you get them from? |
| 15:48.40 | jaksi07c8 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/current/ |
| 15:48.53 | jaksi07c8 | I'm using the qcow2 image |
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| 15:53.17 | jelly | jaksi07c8: nice. To exclude the possibility of current 8.1.0 images being broken, did you also try the older 8.0.0 ones? (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/ -> archive -> 8.0.0) |
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| 15:59.01 | jaksi07c8 | jelly: I did, it doesn't work |
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| 16:10.48 | jelly | has no openstack instance to test it on |
| 16:12.22 | jelly | jaksi07c8: maybe try asking in #debian-cloud, over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) network |
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| 16:15.30 | DammitJim | weird, I just rsync'd my home folder |
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| 16:15.42 | DammitJim | and the destination is 333GB, but my source is only 289G |
| 16:16.04 | gribouille | I want tu create a package that uses the contents from a file from another package; how can my package be notified that the package it depend on is modified? |
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| 16:16.41 | moegreen | hey guys trying to set my proxy but its not working....i did env | grep proxy and got the correct proxy back but cant figure out why i still cant get out? |
| 16:16.53 | moegreen | i even put it in my /etc/environment |
| 16:17.06 | moegreen | running debian 7 and any help would be great |
| 16:17.06 | jelly | DammitJim: different filesystem types, not using -H (hardlinks) and not using -S (sparse files) can account for differing usage |
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| 16:20.24 | DammitJim | oh... yeah, the destination is ntfs |
| 16:20.27 | DammitJim | from ext4 |
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| 16:24.16 | aZz7eCh | hi guys |
| 16:24.24 | aZz7eCh | thanks again for your help yesterday |
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| 16:25.35 | somiaj | gribouille: only thing I can think of is make a dependency that requires that paticular version, and =version dependency. This way if the package cannot be changed without breaking the depends you have on your package. Though #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to see what other things you can do in such a situation. |
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| 16:26.00 | DammitJim | jelly, do you think rsync would be faster if I was synching to another ext4 drive? |
| 16:26.48 | gribouille | somiaj, ok |
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| 16:33.36 | jelly | DammitJim: I'm not sure why it would be. Except if you lose ownerships and permissions on ntfs and do not account for that with rsync options |
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| 16:43.08 | buharin1 | hello |
| 16:43.15 | buharin1 | I am trying to set solarized terminal |
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| 16:59.22 | justatech | dgriffi are you there i posted linux system problem always restarting.. |
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| 17:14.06 | justatech | any can help me my linux system always restart even if i give shutdown command or init o what shouild i do?? |
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| 17:14.51 | centrx | justatech, try 'halt' ? |
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| 17:15.46 | aZz7eCh | have you tried turning it off and on again |
| 17:16.01 | aZz7eCh | slaps his thigh |
| 17:16.36 | justatech | centrx and aZz7eCh nothing seems to work i have also tried init 0.... |
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| 17:18.15 | aZz7eCh | justatech |
| 17:18.31 | aZz7eCh | this is out of my depth ... but gooogle shows lots of results with same issue |
| 17:18.43 | aZz7eCh | for example ... first result = http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139612/debian-wheezy-rebooting-instead-of-powering-off |
| 17:18.58 | aZz7eCh | i presume you are running debian |
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| 17:19.33 | aZz7eCh | it is bound to be a default feature of your mobo probably |
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| 17:20.50 | jelly | justatech: how old is the pc brand/model? |
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| 17:22.20 | justatech | jelly not so i5 4th generation processor not so old i am running kali-linux debian based os |
| 17:23.16 | jelly | justatech: could you try actual debian instead? |
| 17:24.03 | justatech | i have also tried in ubuntu jelly |
| 17:24.04 | aZz7eCh | omg my vps is down .. joy |
| 17:24.26 | jelly | justatech: did poweroff in ubuntu work? |
| 17:25.18 | jelly | justatech: this channel only has knowledge of Debian proper. Your kali derivative is likely using a different kernel for one thing, and that can make lots of difference. |
| 17:25.20 | aZz7eCh | honestly, i would quickly pull the side off the case, grab the mobo model, and be searching for linux + yoru mobo and the power off prob |
| 17:25.21 | jelly | !kali |
| 17:25.21 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 17:26.49 | aZz7eCh | the reason i say that is a lot of these google links have the same issues being discussed ... the mobo/power supply not being sent exactly the right info to shutdown/restart etc.. changing distro's probably wont help if its the mobo with a slightly non-compliant proceedure |
| 17:27.43 | aZz7eCh | most of these people are modifying their linux settings to fix it |
| 17:30.10 | justatech | aZz7ech which setting should i change or this can you offer a a tutorial |
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| 17:31.16 | aZz7eCh | justatech: well like i said i just did a google search for "debian shutdown keeps restarting" and linked you the first result |
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| 17:31.30 | aZz7eCh | of many |
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| 17:32.56 | jhutchins | justatech: We can't tell you how to fix kali - we don't know what they have changed from debian. If you install actual debian on your system and still have the problem we can try to help you fix it then. |
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| 17:33.29 | jhutchins | justatech: The things that make stuff like reboot loops happen are often found in the differences between distributions. |
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| 17:34.22 | aZz7eCh | linux not shutting down but rebooting instead, looks like a common problem accross distributions in any case ... again... i'd be googling with your Motherboard Model in the search |
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| 17:35.16 | jhutchins | aZz7eCh: I've had shutdown/reboot problems that varied within debian from different releases, or even different kernels. |
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| 17:36.44 | aZz7eCh | hmm |
| 17:37.26 | aZz7eCh | k - i'm certainly no expert just saying where i'd start :P |
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| 17:41.21 | tlolczyk | Is there a way fo doing this from the apt family? Take a specific package find all versions in the repos, choose a versio n, download it without looking at dependencies to a specified directory. |
| 17:42.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | just the deb? that would be nice. if you figure that out, let me know. |
| 17:42.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | otherwise it's time to make an apt-download :P |
| 17:43.32 | tlolczyk | NoImNotNineVolt, what do you mean "just the deb"? |
| 17:43.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | i mean, whatelse would you be downloading? |
| 17:44.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | just the deb, as opposed to the deb and all the dependency debs. |
| 17:44.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | (which is what apt does -- followed by installing them all) |
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| 17:46.30 | ghormoon | hi, where should I start debugging memory usage, if I see processes in top eating like 30%, but the usage is like 80%? (and I can't start another process which will take ~25%) |
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| 17:47.23 | aZz7eCh | this isnt the channel .. and there is no channel for it ... but errrr.... any suggestions what would be a good chanel for help with ISPConfig3 / turning my VPS into a host |
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| 17:48.23 | voidstar | https://www.howtoforge.com/community/ ? |
| 17:48.43 | voidstar | extensive tutorials on ispconfig & community |
| 17:48.44 | ghormoon | aZz7eCh: better ask specific questions and try the unofficial channel: ISPConfig IRC Channel (unofficial): Server is *irc.quakenet.org* Channel is *ISPConfig* |
| 17:48.50 | aZz7eCh | heh yeah tis where i have been getting most my info so far |
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| 17:49.25 | aZz7eCh | oh ur a champ ghormoon thanks |
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| 17:50.52 | gargantua | I have a new partition, lets say /dev/sda1, my / is mounted on /dev/sda7, how can i move my root from sda7 to sda1? |
| 17:51.13 | gargantua | I dont suppose its a good idea to just dd everything? |
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| 17:57.23 | ksk | boot a livecd and rsync it. then tell grub2 to write a bootloader (grub-install) there |
| 17:57.50 | tlolczyk | gargantua, you would have to boot from a different partition, and something like mount /dev/sda7 to /mnt and /dev/sda1 to /mnt2. Then use rsync -aH. Don't know that that is absolutely safe though. |
| 17:57.52 | ksk | you can also dd and wont need to write a bootloader, but that will take really long for bigger disks |
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| 17:59.19 | tlolczyk | ksk, faster if you add bs=250M or somethign like that. |
| 17:59.20 | rozie | he want's just to change partition. dd won't copy bootloader |
| 17:59.45 | tlolczyk | He would have to chroot to the new partition to do that. |
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| 18:00.34 | tlolczyk | Rather to reinstall the bootloader. |
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| 18:03.29 | rozie | copy with owner and rights preservation (cp/mc/rsync), reinstall grub |
| 18:03.31 | rozie | that's all |
| 18:03.44 | rozie | sorry, you need change fstab too |
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| 18:22.04 | ghormoon | what I'm missing at the meminfo output to see where did the memory get lost? this is clean boot: http://ghormoon.ghorland.net/log/meminfo.log.clean, this is after some time there was a runnig VM. the VM was shut down, nothing was appearing in top eating more than 0.1%. http://ghormoon.ghorland.net/log/meminfo.log is there a memleak in some kernel module or I'm just blind? |
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| 18:37.11 | acu | is there any howto for ZFS on debian jessie ? - It seem that is far superior to ext4, XFS and btrfs |
| 18:38.32 | Brigo | acu, brtfs in what? |
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| 18:39.10 | Brigo | acu, http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html, https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Debian-GNU-Linux-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem |
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| 18:45.26 | acu | Brigo - thanks for the links - some confusion about the 6 in the dpkg -i zfsonlinux_6_all.deb - I suppose it refers to ZFS version not Debian - about the supperiority - based on the reads - I found suprinzingly many answers - first - in usability in production enviroment, self healing etc... I tried btrfs one year ago, it was a disaster...of course I use it in a host where I had qcow2 v machines - imagine that :) I read about ZFS and |
| 18:45.26 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.11 | displaced | I'm having issues with apache 2.4 and virtual hosts, has anyone figured out how to do this? |
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| 19:04.58 | greycat | Your files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ have to end in .conf in jessie. |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | Pain in the ass. |
| 19:05.17 | displaced | I've gone through several websites and looked for answers. they seem to think that you create the folder, give www-data access to the folder, create a .conf file and run a2ensite and it works |
| 19:05.22 | displaced | it doesn't |
| 19:05.49 | displaced | no matter what I do, if 000-default is enabled, that's the only site that shows |
| 19:06.04 | markybob | the logs say what? |
| 19:06.18 | displaced | I'm doing this on a local server and I'm doing it by virtual host name |
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| 19:07.20 | displaced | if i disable 000-default I can enable one other site named host and it becomes the hosts on that ip, it will not find it by name |
| 19:07.41 | ghormoon | acu: I did zfs on jessie by that guide some time ago, it should work |
| 19:07.45 | displaced | it finds the server by ip and then it shows that one host |
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| 19:08.15 | displaced | if i give the adress as ip/host name it fails |
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| 19:08.33 | displaced | can't find the /url |
| 19:08.46 | displaced | but if I just give the ip it finds that host |
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| 19:09.12 | displaced | add another host and try the same thing ip/host_name and it won't find the /url |
| 19:09.35 | displaced | if i disable the first host and just use the ip, i now can see the second host |
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| 19:11.00 | markybob | displaced, give me a couple of domains |
| 19:11.21 | markybob | might be a dns issue |
| 19:11.23 | displaced | ok, this is not available publkic right now. |
| 19:11.27 | displaced | public |
| 19:11.45 | markybob | well. public help needs info to work with :P |
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| 19:12.13 | displaced | i've heard this, why would it show only the one site with the ip address. it doesn't matter which site it is/ it won't do it by name |
| 19:12.36 | markybob | you said if you look it up via ip. not the name. |
| 19:12.39 | displaced | this is not a public server, this is my personal server |
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| 19:13.25 | displaced | if i give the ip of the machine from any of my local machines, it pulls up that single site. which ever is enabled. but if I have two enabled it act like the second one doesn't exist |
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| 19:13.50 | displaced | it won't find ANY of them by ip/host_name |
| 19:13.58 | markybob | yep, i get that. but we can't help without info. i asked for logs, too, and nothing |
| 19:14.17 | displaced | which logs do you want? |
| 19:14.31 | markybob | you said apache...so...those... |
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| 19:14.55 | altin | anyone knows an alternative to xinput command that works in cli and doesn't required x server to be running ? |
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| 19:16.02 | markybob | it's fine that you don't want to. i don't know how you expect help, though |
| 19:16.20 | greycat | altin: there is no X clipboard if there is no X server |
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| 19:17.05 | displaced | markybob I'm trying to set up my pastebin account |
| 19:17.24 | displaced | with a cat walking on my hand |
| 19:17.30 | markybob | displaced, i don't usually do this...but if you /msg me, i'll try to help. so you can keep things private that way. i gotta go for like an hour, but i'll look |
| 19:17.43 | displaced | ok |
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| 19:18.12 | displaced | I'm not worried about that. i'm just trying to find an easy way to post the files |
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| 19:19.22 | greycat | displaced: some people in #bash are fond of: curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < filename |
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| 19:19.52 | jelly | it helps that curl is installed by default in many distros |
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| 19:20.16 | greycat | well, generally anyone who makes it as far as #bash knows how to install curl on their platform |
| 19:20.21 | greycat | not always, but... generally. |
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| 19:22.29 | displaced | truth |
| 19:22.34 | displaced | but curl is installed |
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| 19:24.17 | displaced | so /markybob which log do you want |
| 19:24.27 | displaced | markybob |
| 19:24.36 | displaced | damn, to long since I worked an irc |
| 19:24.59 | displaced | do you want the error log or the config? |
| 19:25.07 | greycat | Probably both. |
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| 19:25.33 | displaced | I've also got an other_vhosts_access.log |
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| 19:26.13 | displaced | which the one for today is empty, even though I've switched named sites several times trying to solve this |
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| 19:26.15 | greycat | Anything that's working normally is not interesting. We'd need to see the abnormal part. |
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| 19:27.09 | displaced | that's the point. I'm not sure if it's not working exactly like it's being told to work. the config hasn't been touched and I though named vhosts were supported by default |
| 19:27.09 | thirtythreeforty | Is this the place to ask for packaging help? |
| 19:27.49 | displaced | but doing it according to several sites i've tried doesn't work |
| 19:28.03 | thirtythreeforty | I'm getting an error that I believe is a problem with debuild. |
| 19:28.04 | displaced | i should be able to give ip/name and pull up the site |
| 19:28.18 | knivsta | does anyone here know what to do with dried up inkjet Catridges? |
| 19:28.47 | displaced | take them to bestbuy to recycle them |
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| 19:29.55 | cxd13 | or just throw them in the garbage |
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| 19:30.18 | displaced | if they are hp, you can use their program to get a discount on new cartridges |
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| 19:33.39 | displaced | http://pastebin.com/fdqSw7w1 |
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| 19:33.47 | displaced | that should be the apache2.conf |
| 19:34.33 | DammitJim | is there something going on with the stretch alpha 2 release download? I can't get the ISO |
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| 19:37.28 | greycat | displaced: well, that is identical to the apache2.conf I have on a jessie box (once I manage to download it from pastebin and strip the CRs from the lines) |
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| 19:37.39 | displaced | lol |
| 19:37.46 | displaced | told you I didn't change anything |
| 19:37.47 | greycat | displaced: the interesting parts would be the virtual host config and the logs. |
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| 19:38.35 | displaced | ok, http://pastebin.com/Anrj34zn |
| 19:38.41 | displaced | error log |
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| 19:40.24 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! Is there a more stable operating system than Debian? |
| 19:40.35 | greycat | displaced: is it *all* PHP errors after the last reload? |
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| 19:44.12 | displaced | yup |
| 19:44.48 | displaced | and it's because I used an unsupported template in joomla |
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| 19:44.58 | displaced | switched it back and it works |
| 19:45.06 | shlant | hi all. I am on debian and installed php5-memcached. I have /etc/php5/mods-available/memcached.ini which contains "extension=memcached.so". However, memcached is still not showing as enabled in php -m. |
| 19:45.09 | shlant | What am I missing? Do I have to symlink it somewhere? |
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| 19:46.16 | rapha | Hi! |
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| 19:48.35 | rapha | Please, what package should I install to get the KDE control center dialog called "SSL Preferences"? |
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| 19:48.48 | rapha | (I'm not running KDE, just KMail...) |
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| 19:51.30 | BadCodSmell | How can I exclude a package pattern from a repository? |
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| 19:51.40 | BadCodSmell | There is no documentation for apt preferences |
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| 19:52.21 | markybob | BadCodSmell, it's called hold. echo <package> hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
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| 19:52.52 | tvlooy | I can't find this file /etc/php5/fpm/php.ini in any debian package, it belongs to php5-fpm (but not present in the .deb) |
| 19:53.05 | BadCodSmell | markybob: That's hold |
| 19:53.08 | tvlooy | I changed this file and am looking for the default file, where can I find it? |
| 19:53.12 | BadCodSmell | It does something else entirely |
| 19:53.19 | BadCodSmell | I want to exclude packages from a repo |
| 19:53.26 | BadCodSmell | That pushes broken ones with a higher version |
| 19:53.28 | greycat | BadCodSmell: explain what that means, because I don't understand. |
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| 19:53.54 | BadCodSmell | <BadCodSmell> How can I exclude a package pattern from a repository? |
| 19:54.03 | greycat | Yes, that's the part I do not understand. |
| 19:54.05 | BadCodSmell | not how can IO stop a package being updated with apt-mark hold packagename |
| 19:54.06 | greycat | Are you building a repository? |
| 19:54.17 | BadCodSmell | I have multiple sources for debian packages |
| 19:54.22 | BadCodSmell | Some of them conflict |
| 19:54.34 | BadCodSmell | So I would like to know how I can exclude a pattern from one of the repositories |
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| 19:55.09 | tete_ | hi, can someone tell me why adding this repository http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/ does not work? it says: W: Fehlschlag beim Holen von http://perso.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/jessie/Release Erwarteter Eintrag »Sources« konnte in Release-Datei nicht gefunden werden (falscher Eintrag in sources.list oder missgebildete Datei). |
| 19:55.10 | BadCodSmell | Like don't import packages containing kernel* from http://adebrepo..... |
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| 19:56.02 | greycat | tete_: if that repository doesn't work, use one that does |
| 19:56.30 | tete_ | greycat, did you breakfast a clown? |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:57.15 | tete_ | the documentation states: deb http://perso.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/ wheezy/ |
| 19:57.15 | tete_ | deb-src http://perso.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/ wheezy/ |
| 19:57.19 | tete_ | is just replaced wheezy with jessie |
| 19:57.21 | tete_ | -s |
| 19:57.26 | greycat | What documentation is that? |
| 19:57.31 | tete_ | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/ |
| 19:57.35 | tete_ | "documentation" |
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| 19:57.55 | greycat | Maybe you need to contact this molly.corsac entity for help, because that's not an official Debian repository. |
| 19:58.31 | tete_ | hm ok, but are you familiar with the file structure? so i could point directly to whats wrong ... |
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| 19:58.40 | tete_ | how that file has to be that no error occurs |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | I don't know much German, but I think I saw "not found" in there. |
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| 19:59.20 | displaced | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.33 | greycat | Time for a password change. |
| 19:59.34 | tete_ | W: Fehlschlag beim Holen von http://perso.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/jessie/Release Erwarteter Eintrag »Sources« konnte in Release-Datei nicht gefunden werden (falscher Eintrag in sources.list oder missgebildete Datei). -> Error getting packages/jressie/Release: Entry "Sources" not found in Release file |
| 20:00.05 | displaced | no shit, but if you want my username you can have it |
| 20:00.18 | tete_ | so a "Sources" entry is missing in http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/debian/kernel-grsec/packages/jessie/Release |
| 20:00.26 | tete_ | i write him an email... |
| 20:00.45 | markybob | displaced, most of us here really couldn't give two shits. just change it and you'll be fine |
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| 20:01.48 | tvlooy | I copied the default php.ini from a new (virtualbox) installation, but I expected the php.ini to be present in the package. The packages.debian.org file also does not find the file |
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| 20:02.48 | greycat | tvlooy: take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-fpm.postinst |
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| 20:03.14 | displaced | markybob what the hell is a key? |
| 20:03.36 | displaced | SETPASS <account> <key> <newpass> |
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| 20:04.38 | joobus | Iceweasel question: will debian's iceweasel continue to follow firefox when firefox breaks XUL plugins? |
| 20:04.39 | greycat | "This command should only be used after you have already received an email with the key." |
| 20:05.18 | joobus | see here for info: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08/21/the-future-of-developing-firefox-add-ons/comment-page-1/ |
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| 20:07.05 | greycat | "we will require all extensions to be validated and signed by Mozilla starting in Firefox 41" ... oh my god. |
| 20:07.16 | displaced | I've had this username for like 10 years |
| 20:07.27 | displaced | email? with key? |
| 20:07.29 | displaced | really? |
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| 20:07.54 | greycat | displaced: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass |
| 20:07.57 | joobus | greycat: it's a horrible decision on mozillas part. I'm wondering if palemoon will be the go to after XUL is deprecated |
| 20:08.07 | tvlooy | greycat: thanks |
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| 20:08.51 | displaced | thank you |
| 20:08.51 | joobus | it would be nice if iceweasel forks from firefox and maintains the extension api |
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| 20:09.25 | displaced | you mean like they forked and kept flash? |
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| 20:10.11 | joobus | did they keep flash? i don't run flash. |
| 20:10.18 | displaced | they didn't |
| 20:10.34 | displaced | flash only works in chrome |
| 20:10.58 | joobus | XUL deprecation is going to break a lot of extensions. |
| 20:11.00 | displaced | java doesn't work in chrome, only iceweasel and only the icedtea |
| 20:11.06 | joobus | like vimperator, i believe |
| 20:11.24 | markybob | displaced, that's not true |
| 20:11.28 | greycat | Flash and Java can die in a fire. |
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| 20:12.17 | displaced | ok markybob, I can't get it to work |
| 20:12.19 | giuseppe_ | why java ? |
| 20:12.29 | markybob | displaced, works fine in epiphany (web) and iceweasel |
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| 20:12.58 | cxd13 | flash works fine in firefox/iceweasel |
| 20:13.02 | tete_ | i like java, i just dont like the applet crap |
| 20:13.04 | Ra_Sla | Guys! Help me please with install from "Debian-8.1-live-mate" from LivUSB: at almost end of INSTALL process, installer asks me to insert «Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20150606-15:08» in CD-ROM !!! But I have NO CDROM ! How to complete install process without this CD ? |
| 20:13.09 | displaced | are we talking flash or java? |
| 20:13.16 | markybob | both |
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| 20:13.44 | displaced | ok, how did you install flash because the version you are using is way out of date |
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| 20:14.13 | cxd13 | who cares? there are no new flash features i need |
| 20:14.18 | cxd13 | and it gets the latest security updates |
| 20:14.42 | displaced | not supported by adobe, flash is integrated in chrome so it's the latest version |
| 20:14.42 | cxd13 | that's all i care about |
| 20:14.42 | cxd13 | wrong. it is supported by adobe |
| 20:14.42 | displaced | lol |
| 20:14.42 | markybob | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:14.51 | mtn | grabs some popcorn |
| 20:15.20 | Ra_Sla | +me wait help |
| 20:15.30 | tete_ | if the porn sites would switch just like youtube did, no one would need flash anymore :) |
| 20:15.35 | cxd13 | this is #debian, anyways. who has the latest version of anything |
| 20:15.45 | displaced | lol!!!! |
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| 20:16.21 | displaced | not using porn sites but webmin has a fit with java on debian |
| 20:16.24 | markybob | software i've written isn't even the latest. |
| 20:16.29 | markybob | still works. |
| 20:16.56 | greycat | Well, this blog thingy is aimed at an audience of "add-on developers", but as a USER, I can tell you how USERS are going to react when new Firefox breaks all their extensions: they are going to go back to the old version and not upgrade. |
| 20:17.15 | joobus | "Installation of unsigned extensions will still be possible on Nightly and Developer Edition"... I guess I'm safe since I run the nightly, for now |
| 20:17.22 | cxd13 | greycat: what extension do you use that is not signed yet? |
| 20:17.32 | displaced | probably his own |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | I wouldn't even know which ones are signed and which are not! |
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| 20:18.06 | displaced | and if you are building an extension, how do you get it to load without it being signed? |
| 20:18.07 | cxd13 | then he just uses the version of firefox which lets you use unsigned addons |
| 20:18.42 | cxd13 | it will still be the latest version |
| 20:18.44 | joobus | cxd13: so every noob will eventually end up on the developer edition |
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| 20:19.02 | cxd13 | joobus: every noob probably isn't writing their own firefox addons |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | I've been around computers long enough that I just *ASSUME* that shit is going to break. That is the default. |
| 20:19.21 | displaced | see ya'll in a bit. gotta run pick up the ol' lady |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | If an extension survives this upgrade, I will be pleasantly surprised. |
| 20:19.32 | sw0rdf1sh | Hello debian with minimal wm in laptop any guide |
| 20:19.44 | joobus | cxd13: they'll probably want to run some plugin their friend wrote, or that mozilla refuses to sign, at some point |
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| 20:20.01 | AurorasDream | Wanted to install Debian on my laptop, but Windows won't let me format my hard drive, because I have "hardware encryption", but I don't have it. Idea? |
| 20:20.02 | cxd13 | greycat: you are not going to notice anything unless you wrote your own firefox extension, in which case you use the developer addition |
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| 20:20.46 | greycat | cxd13: I am not going to notice anything? Really? My god, last time I tried a substantially different version of Firefox, I *couldn't even install Greasemonkey*! AT ALL! |
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| 20:21.04 | greycat | There was no working version of Greasemonkey for the version of firefox or iceweasel or whatever the fuck it was. ANYWHERE. |
| 20:21.12 | Ra_Sla | AurorasDream, you cat format Disk from LiveCD/LiveUSB |
| 20:21.29 | joobus | Ra_Sla: he may be trying to dual boot |
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| 20:21.37 | markybob | AurorasDream, check your bios. you probably have uefi enabled and it's causing problems. reguar isntaller will handle it fine |
| 20:21.39 | AurorasDream | Ra_Sla: Okay, i'll try that |
| 20:22.00 | greycat | cxd13: When I go to "about:addons" in whatever weaselfox is on my monitor currently, I see 5 things and 2 of them have "-signed" in their names. |
| 20:22.00 | markybob | and apparently i've forgotten how to type |
| 20:22.14 | cxd13 | lol weaselfox |
| 20:22.54 | greycat | (Greasemonkey is not one of them.) |
| 20:23.08 | cxd13 | you get be 100% sure greasemonkey is signed |
| 20:23.11 | cxd13 | can* be |
| 20:23.19 | greycat | How would I be sure of this? |
| 20:23.46 | cxd13 | or will be. because so many people use it and would quit firefox if they had to jump through hoops to use it |
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| 20:24.25 | joobus | greasemonkey seems like it would be one of the first to break though with XUL deprecation |
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| 20:24.49 | pantato | so who here holds the record for longest time without updating their packages? |
| 20:25.09 | cxd13 | joobus: that's not for another 2 years and they will probably try to port it |
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| 20:28.43 | RoyK | pantato: had an old ubuntu 8.04.1 server running until half a year ago - apt was broken, but server was needed, ufw was severely broken too, so we setup some rules on the router to stop traffic from outside |
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| 20:29.49 | markybob | RoyK, fail2ban ? there are many alternatives. or just use iptables directly. |
| 20:30.02 | RoyK | markybob: rather hard if apt is broken ;) |
| 20:30.16 | RoyK | markybob: server's deleted now, though, luckily |
| 20:30.34 | Ra_Sla | I need help with Debian-8.1-live Installer. Anybody knows where I may read Installation log? |
| 20:30.49 | markybob | RoyK, iptables is installed by default |
| 20:31.13 | RoyK | markybob: I know, I secured it, but it's gone now ;) |
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| 20:34.50 | pantato | RoyK: nice |
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| 20:34.56 | pantato | I don't think anyone can top that |
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| 20:36.11 | markybob | okay |
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| 20:39.52 | jhutchins | I have a couple of servers running lenny. |
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| 20:41.10 | greycat | I still have a Red Hat 6.2 system here, but I moved the main application off of it about 3 years ago. All that's left is one of my coworker's databases. |
| 20:41.20 | jhutchins | I had a third that I tried to upgrade and had to restore my VM snapshot. |
| 20:41.33 | greycat | Sorry, it's Red Hat 5.2 (Apollo). |
| 20:41.43 | jhutchins | greycat: Still supported. |
| 20:41.47 | greycat | No. |
| 20:41.56 | jelly | _Red Hat_ not RHEL |
| 20:41.58 | jhutchins | When did they term 5? |
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| 20:42.02 | greycat | See, this is what I hate about Red Hat. They recycled the version numbers. |
| 20:42.08 | jhutchins | OOOoooohhh. |
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| 20:42.27 | jelly | that's like 1995? 96? |
| 20:42.47 | jhutchins | greycat: Yeah, I knew a guy who was still running 5.x as an ISP until recently, doing his own kernel builds. |
| 20:43.18 | jelly | oops, this isn't #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:47.43 | Ra_Sla | Are anybody knows: "where Debian-8.1-live Installer writing Installation log" ? |
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| 20:49.46 | greycat | Ra_Sla: if nobody here knows, you might have to ask #debian-live on the OFTC network (NOT on this network). |
| 20:50.31 | Ra_Sla | greycat, thanx - I'll try there... |
| 20:50.50 | jhutchins | Ra_Sla: It's usually in /root/ |
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| 20:52.34 | Ra_Sla | jhutchins, no - there NO any logs... |
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| 20:59.50 | ilCyE32x64 | I'm having an issue where I can't get the wired adapter to connect on my laptop while using Debian 8. This network always worked in the past. It's not a cable, jack, or network problem. My computer can get DHCP on this network just fine when booted into Windows. Weirdly, it also works fine on my wired network at home. On this other network, it just sits at "cable unplugged" on the Gnome NetworkManager settings page. The |
| 20:59.51 | ilCyE32x64 | connection is set to auto-connect, and setting a static IP doesn't provide any results. What could be wrong? |
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| 21:02.41 | tenor01 | I'm going to install Debian on a machine with an AMD graphics card (Pitcairn); do I need the installer with the non-free firmware, or can I add the firmware after the installation? |
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| 21:03.13 | ilCyE32x64 | You should be able to install it after installation. |
| 21:03.23 | tenor01 | ok, I'll just use the normal installer then, thanks! |
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| 21:11.57 | jhutchins | ilCyE32x64: I'd use the command line tools to diagnose this. |
| 21:12.15 | jhutchins | ilCyE32x64: Does ifconfig -a see it? Is there a complaint in dmesg | less? |
| 21:12.40 | jhutchins | does ethtool show the cable connected? |
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| 21:13.49 | ilCyE32x64 | ifconfig doesn't show it as connected, but it is there without the -a. I'll try the other things. |
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| 21:15.57 | ilCyE32x64 | What should I be looking for with ethtool? |
| 21:16.25 | ilCyE32x64 | It says: Link detected: no |
| 21:17.04 | jhutchins | ilCyE32x64: Can you try a different port on the switch? |
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| 21:20.50 | ilCyE32x64 | Yes, I just did with same result. I've tried it on multiple switches too |
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| 21:22.29 | fearnothing | what's the relevant command to modify the default gateway? |
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| 21:22.38 | fearnothing | I can find the one for adding a new one, but not modifying existing |
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| 21:23.02 | ilCyE32x64 | Are you using route? I would just delete it and readd it. |
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| 21:23.11 | fearnothing | yes route |
| 21:23.26 | fearnothing | so delete would be... |
| 21:23.37 | ilCyE32x64 | jhutchins: I just plugged it into a small 8-port switch and it instantly started working. But it doesn't want to work in the bigger switches I am using. |
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| 21:24.54 | ilCyE32x64 | fearnothing: route del default should work |
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| 21:27.15 | fearnothing | hurrah, it's working :D |
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| 21:33.28 | bardzusny | hi |
| 21:33.55 | sharp15 | what is the normal method for adding users after installation? |
| 21:34.10 | bardzusny | looking for quick bit of advice - I'm looking for simple, possibly tray+keyboard shortcut based keyboard switcher |
| 21:34.24 | bardzusny | (cyrillic / my regular keyboard, if that matters) |
| 21:35.03 | sharp15 | nm. i found it later in the debian admin handbook. |
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| 21:36.48 | bardzusny | hmm, perhaps just setxkbmap? |
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| 21:38.52 | phre4k | hey, can I safely upgrade my Debian Wheezy server to Lenny already? |
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| 21:44.49 | bardzusny | phre4k: Lenny was beforee Wheezy |
| 21:45.03 | bardzusny | Wheezy was before Jessie :-) (current stable) |
| 21:47.00 | phre4k | I mean, upgrade to Jessie |
| 21:47.05 | phre4k | damn Toy Story |
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| 21:48.09 | bardzusny | phre4k: generally should be as simple as dist-upgrade, but it could depend on your custom config / etc. |
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| 21:48.22 | bardzusny | I'd copy the system and check the upgrade in sandbox first, +check upgrade notes |
| 21:48.37 | bardzusny | (assuming something important is actually running on the machine) |
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| 21:49.57 | phre4k | bardzusny: the only "custom" software I have is teamspeak3 (I hate it), apart from that I care deeply about FHS conventions. |
| 21:50.09 | phre4k | it's a server btw |
| 21:50.13 | fearnothing | yay, vpn is working |
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| 21:52.19 | phre4k | I think I'll do a snapshot first and then dist-upgrade. Systemd has a wrapper for sysvinit-scripts right? |
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| 21:55.13 | giefdeb | hey guys can someone help me with choosing a release of debian? |
| 21:55.29 | phy1729 | giefdeb: Jessie |
| 21:55.53 | giefdeb | why not stretch or sid? |
| 21:56.04 | mtn | giefdeb, if you have to ask..... |
| 21:56.05 | phre4k | giefdeb: if you don't know, use Jessie |
| 21:56.06 | giefdeb | im concerned with being out of date :/ |
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| 21:56.18 | phy1729 | giefdeb: then you probably don't want Debian |
| 21:56.21 | phre4k | ^ |
| 21:56.29 | phre4k | stable != out of date btw |
| 21:56.38 | giefdeb | sure if i have to ask, but i'd also like to be informed |
| 21:56.43 | phy1729 | !sss |
| 21:56.44 | dpkg | i guess sss is a propaganda attempt to get people registered for the Selective Service System (to be drafted) warning them of possibility of horrible fines/imprisonment for not signing up, though, I'm pretty sure it's BS |
| 21:56.49 | phy1729 | sigh |
| 21:57.13 | giefdeb | ahk, well here is the issues i have, will the base system be up to date? security and all that |
| 21:57.13 | mtn | sns? |
| 21:57.42 | phy1729 | yes !sns |
| 21:57.57 | phy1729 | !sns |
| 21:57.57 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:58.11 | mtn | giefdeb, define "up to date" |
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| 21:58.32 | giefdeb | mainly security fixes, kernel updates |
| 21:58.42 | giefdeb | i dont have a issue with apps, |
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| 21:58.57 | mtn | giefdeb, yes, to those. may have to use backports, too |
| 21:59.33 | mtn | giefdeb, see what dpkg said about sns |
| 21:59.37 | giefdeb | alryty then thanks |
| 21:59.42 | giefdeb | !backports |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:00.39 | giefdeb | i am familiar with linux overall and have decieded on debian, I have run mint, *buntu and arch for a while |
| 22:00.52 | giefdeb | !ssb |
| 22:00.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:01.41 | mtn | giefdeb, you can see these privately. type: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:01.56 | giefdeb | woah sorry about that, |
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| 22:04.15 | giefdeb | hmmm, the deb backports seem to just be for apps, i am looking for core system updates? |
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| 22:04.33 | giefdeb | i am currently on the https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/ page |
| 22:04.54 | mtn | giefdeb, kernels are there. otherwise, depends |
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| 22:05.08 | WangDang | giefdeb: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 22:06.12 | giefdeb | thats the stuff, thanks wangdang, seems Jessie is up to date |
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| 22:07.49 | WangDang | giefdeb: I think if you want a rock solid system that is secure and easy to keep updated, you be hard pressed to find something better than debian stable (jessie) |
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| 22:09.52 | giefdeb | can deffinitly agree with you there WangDang |
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| 22:11.28 | markybob | not that hard...but yes, debian is good at it |
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| 22:43.07 | fearnothing | is it possible to RDP into a box whilst that box connects out with openvpn? |
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| 22:43.29 | fearnothing | or SSH for that matter |
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| 22:57.46 | MeatPopsicle | So I'm dual booting with windows and just set up my encrypted Jessie install but my / partition is only 2GB, did I fuck up? |
| 22:58.25 | MeatPopsicle | They recommend 8+GB most other places I have looked at |
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| 22:59.28 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, 2g is way too small, most likely. |
| 22:59.38 | MeatPopsicle | Shit |
| 22:59.48 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, do you have a seperate /home? |
| 22:59.53 | MeatPopsicle | Now I have to resize it with gparted? |
| 23:00.06 | MeatPopsicle | Yes about 300gb /home |
| 23:00.35 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, that helps, but still need more than 2G. I am not how big you need, I never use a seperate /home |
| 23:00.41 | mtn | not sure, that is |
| 23:01.02 | MeatPopsicle | I'll shrink my /home and give it to / |
| 23:01.34 | MeatPopsicle | Can I do that with an encrypted install or do I have to start fresh? |
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| 23:07.08 | MeatPopsicle | Well deleting the debian install with gartnot have been a good idea fresh start it is |
| 23:07.16 | MeatPopsicle | Gparted |
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| 23:07.54 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, if you only use one partition, you don't need to worry about sizes ;) |
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| 23:09.18 | MeatPopsicle | mtn not sure how to do that in manual mode, want to emcrypt the install |
| 23:09.46 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, just make one big /, no separate /home partition |
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| 23:11.37 | Xion | is debian plugin play now for dwa125 usb adapters yet? |
| 23:12.56 | MeatPopsicle | So only the / and thats it? |
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| 23:14.26 | mtn | MeatPopsicle, I like it that way. maybe swap if you need it, too |
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| 23:14.27 | MeatPopsicle | Did not actually think throuh how siml,e it would be. |
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| 23:17.53 | MeatPopsicle | mtn shouldnt need it might put my /boot on a usb drivejust because lol |
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| 23:27.03 | antiatom | Where can I find out how many GiB all packages together for each microarchitecture Debian is compiled for separately? |
| 23:27.11 | antiatom | And main separated from non-free and contrib |
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| 23:32.37 | zipper_ | Hi, weird question. I just put Debian on my laptop which has an nvidia 4200M set up for optimus. I would like to setup a Windows VM through KVM or Xen and pass the GPU through to the Windows VM. I have a docking station with 2 DVI ports that are linked straight to the nvidia card. Before I go about any huge time investment regarding this, is this sort of setup possible? |
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| 23:35.09 | zipper_ | I find a lot of theoretical discussion online regarding this but I can't seem to actually find anyone who's actually tried it. I'm thinking it would work considering that the nvidia card does have a port for a monitor on it. CPU and motherboard are both capable(According to the spec sheets anyway) |
| 23:38.27 | iWaldo | zipper_: it's a tough battle. i had successfully passed an AMD card through to a windows install using KVM/qemu (to the point that it was correctly displayed in the device manager), but the drivers would not detect the card |
| 23:39.02 | zipper_ | I see... and this was a laptop? |
| 23:39.18 | zipper_ | I have heard of some similar problems with passthrough in general |
| 23:39.33 | iWaldo | nope |
| 23:39.48 | iWaldo | it's still worth a shot if you have hardware virtualization support, which i'd bet you do |
| 23:40.39 | iWaldo | i'm a KVM noob, so there's a good chance that i missed something simple. all i can report is that driver installation in the guest failed even when the device was in the dev manager (correct hardware IDs and all) |
| 23:40.46 | zipper_ | Yeah. 2760QM, though I'm not sure if the GPU supports it |
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| 23:41.26 | zipper_ | I can try both. If someone else was able to get that close with it, that's good enough for me I suppose |
| 23:42.06 | iWaldo | keep in mind that i was trying this on fedora, which is closer to KVM than debian from a development standpoint (i believe) |
| 23:42.34 | iWaldo | i used fedora to have the latest and greatest redhat KVM support |
| 23:43.14 | zipper_ | I'm sure it won't make a huge difference. KVM has never given me any gripe before, even with passthrough(though I've never done a GPU) |
| 23:43.34 | iWaldo | i actually seem to remember reading that some of the features that allow easier passthrough were fairly recent as well, so you may need to go outside of debian stable |
| 23:43.35 | zipper_ | This isn't cutting edge hardware anywyay |
| 23:44.22 | zipper_ | that may be a dealbreaker |
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| 23:44.44 | iWaldo | the next time i build a home server i plan on using enterprise hardware |
| 23:44.50 | iWaldo | much more support for this sort of thing |
| 23:44.58 | iWaldo | especially in xen |
| 23:45.23 | zipper_ | A solid plan. I have a thinkstation D20 that does wonderfully with KVM, never used xen on it though. |
| 23:45.27 | iWaldo | after trying that on consumer hardware and failing only by a little bit i'm convinced that xen is the way to go if one is willing to shell out for supported hardware |
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| 23:46.29 | iWaldo | xen seems to have a very limited hardware selection |
| 23:46.56 | zipper_ | My ultimate goal is to have my 4 displays working on this thing... I recently retired it from Windows 8.1 that I had for work. Still ned to do some Windows stuff, but not bare-metal. If nothing else I read about some kludged together thing with running another x session to use the displays on the nvidia card |
| 23:46.57 | iWaldo | but a used server with a used tesla or something might be a fun project some day |
| 23:47.24 | zipper_ | If I could afford a Tesla |
| 23:47.39 | zipper_ | It's for the best. I'd only use it to play DooM anyway |
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| 23:47.48 | iWaldo | hah! |
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| 23:48.26 | iWaldo | in my opinion i'd save the time and avoid the attempt for now. in a year or two i'm sure things will be more straightforward |
| 23:48.44 | iWaldo | but if you're up for the thinkering give it a shot. probably isn't impossible. |
| 23:48.49 | zipper_ | yeah |
| 23:48.56 | zipper_ | I may spend a day or so on it |
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| 23:49.17 | iWaldo | it sounds like you already have some KVM/qemu experience, so that'll start you out ahead of where i was |
| 23:49.47 | iWaldo | i was also trying to use libvirt to do a lot of the work at first, but then i realized that a lot of the options that can be passed to qemu directly aren't available with libvirt |
| 23:50.10 | zipper_ | Yeah. Not an expert but I can get by pretty well. I'm running a virtualization host on my Thinkstation I mentioned earlier. |
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| 23:50.54 | Ooze | There's not a Jessie package for python-oauth2, but there's one for Wheezy. Will I break my system if I add wheezy source for that package? |
| 23:51.39 | ra122 | slightly silly question, new to debian - is there any way to change the publicly broadcast hostname, but leave the hostname recognized by the local machine the same? or would that cause networking problems (or am i not making sense)? |
| 23:51.42 | zipper_ | maybe. I'd check to see if the dependencies are in jessie first |
| 23:52.55 | Ooze | There's python-oauth2client, but that's not the same |
| 23:53.05 | Ooze | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-oauth2 |
| 23:53.07 | Ooze | I need that |
| 23:53.13 | Ooze | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-oauth2client |
| 23:53.20 | Ooze | not that |
| 23:53.36 | zipper_ | ral22, I don't think you can change it in the manner you're talking about doing |
| 23:53.45 | Brigo | Ooze, most likely you will break it, yes. |
| 23:53.59 | Ooze | How can I get this package? |
| 23:54.29 | Brigo | Ooze, check dependencies, i think that package will even get installed. |
| 23:55.00 | Brigo | Ooze, usually i would say compile it, but with python, i don't know, check upstream, what is the problem. |
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| 23:56.03 | zipper_ | if you download directly the one for wheezy and install it, it seems like the required software versions should be in jessie |
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| 23:57.42 | iWaldo | are there many downsides to using a shell other than bash? i was looking into learning more about writing scripts for shells and bash seemed to be the target of most online instruction. i've also started enjoying using zsh with oh-my-zsh. will zsh work with a bash oriented tutorial? |
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| 23:59.21 | zipper_ | the only downside i am aware of is the lack of instructional material. I've never needed to use another shell so I couldn't say beyond that |
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