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| 00:04.34 | idiotisback | I am looking for something to do |
| 00:04.52 | idiotisback | I am bored taking suggestions + |
| 00:05.12 | idiotisback | I am tired of reading man pages |
| 00:05.31 | iWaldo | configure a virtual machine that handles pci passthrough of a gpu on consumer grade hardware |
| 00:05.42 | iWaldo | to both windows and *nix systems |
| 00:06.04 | iWaldo | (guests) |
| 00:06.22 | zipper_ | and then tell me how you did it lol |
| 00:06.30 | zipper_ | you can find aliens http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ |
| 00:07.16 | idiotisback | I thought SETI works when your system was idle |
| 00:07.21 | iWaldo | or figure out how to create an .xinitrc file that properly configures two monitors for an extended desktop on a debian system that lives in virtualbox |
| 00:07.33 | zipper_ | you can configure it to work any time |
| 00:07.49 | iWaldo | i've tried to create an .xinitrc that has a single, simple xrandr command |
| 00:07.59 | iWaldo | but if that file exists, startx crashes |
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| 00:08.12 | idiotisback | I am going to go write some shell scripts |
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| 00:08.47 | idiotisback | any suggestions in that area? |
| 00:09.01 | iWaldo | i'm using i3. maybe it would work if i use i3's startup script to call xrandr to configure the monitors... |
| 00:09.19 | iWaldo | but even Xorg -configure fails in this VM for some reason |
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| 00:12.20 | idiotisback | later guys and girls. I am going to go sleep. |
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| 00:13.13 | iWaldo | g'night mayne |
| 00:13.44 | iWaldo | anywho, since the channel is sleepy, here's some OT: any opinions on the potential release of a retro thinkpad? |
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| 00:17.14 | Epakai | won't be enough units to make it affordable |
| 00:17.23 | Brigo | iWaldo, this is a support channel so, quite is pertect. :) |
| 00:17.40 | iWaldo | Brigo: roger, no more shenanigans |
| 00:17.41 | Brigo | iWaldo, if you want to chat, try #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:58.10 | marsjaninzmarsa | we have "convert" command and it's great, you can just type "convert anything anything.else" and it just works, so why the fuck when I wanna compress something I have 9000+ different commands for each compression format, each one with own flags set and syntax?? |
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| 01:59.33 | ksx4system | because Linux with its hundreds of distros is still too much fragmented to be actually more convenient... that's why Windows is still #1 OS in terms of users count |
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| 02:00.39 | Nik05 | on windows you first need find and download the tools before you can even start... |
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| 02:01.25 | marsjaninzmarsa | ksx4system: yeah, and on Windows you of course have "compress" command AND even "convert" command, out-of-the-box! :D |
| 02:01.34 | Nik05 | :P |
| 02:01.35 | ksx4system | tools? what tools? whatever you want for file management (and compression) is included, Nik05 |
| 02:01.56 | Nik05 | ofcourse... |
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| 02:02.03 | marsjaninzmarsa | ksx4system: for anything better than .zip? |
| 02:02.28 | ksx4system | zip sucks less than tar.gz (or that cpio stuff) |
| 02:02.50 | ksx4system | any given compression format with single stage decompression sucks less than tarballs |
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| 02:04.30 | ksx4system | marsjaninzmarsa, also you should know that most distros doesn't come with web server *preinstalled* (say hello to IIS, not that I prefer it over lighttpd) |
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| 02:07.35 | edju | Running Wheezy multiarch. Can udev and hal both be installed? If so, installing hal removes libhal1:i386. A problem? |
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| 02:08.21 | edju | Sorry, ignore the above = posted by mistaske |
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| 02:12.04 | marsjaninzmarsa | ksx4system: just like most Windows distros. :) |
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| 02:14.14 | ksx4system | marsjaninzmarsa, it seems like you know nothing/nearly nothing about OSes :) |
| 02:14.37 | marsjaninzmarsa | ksx4system: elaborate. :D |
| 02:15.05 | somiaj | ksx4system, marsjaninzmarsa: you should take this discussion elsewhere as it is not about debian support |
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| 02:16.04 | marsjaninzmarsa | somiaj: right. |
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| 02:18.11 | marsjaninzmarsa | going back to my question - why I can't find "compress" command as wrapper to other cli's, working just like "convert"? |
| 02:19.33 | marsjaninzmarsa | I must write one. :) |
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| 02:20.01 | somiaj | marsjaninzmarsa: that is the way it works. I don't see a need for one, but tar suitsmy limited needs |
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| 02:20.56 | marsjaninzmarsa | somiaj: can i type "tar folder folder.tar.xz" or "tar movie.mp4 movie.7z"? |
| 02:21.01 | somiaj | marsjaninzmarsa: with file or reading mime-type you should be most the way there, |
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| 02:22.52 | mutante | how can i get all the possible debconf questions a package might ask without actually configuring it |
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| 02:26.55 | jetscreamer | are we there yet? |
| 02:27.17 | somiaj | mutante: debconf-show packagename? |
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| 02:27.59 | mutante | somiaj: that's it :) thanks! |
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| 02:33.06 | Uller | where is debian config file located |
| 02:33.47 | mutante | Uller: there are many config files, but in general under /etc |
| 02:33.52 | srvk | Why does the main sound in gnome get modified by individual applications? When I start a virtual machine it turns the volume up to 100% damaging my ears and speakers. This is not a smart way to do sound... |
| 02:34.09 | srvk | There ought to be a master limiter that multiplies the rest of the volumes. |
| 02:34.40 | srvk | Tell me I'm not the only one who rages at this |
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| 02:35.19 | Uller | mutante, I mean kernel config |
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| 02:38.24 | eryn_guest | hi peeps |
| 02:38.30 | eryn_guest | what drivers do i need for NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] (rev a2) |
| 02:38.33 | eryn_guest | legacy ? |
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| 02:39.52 | marsjaninzmarsa | srvk: because pulseaudio sucks |
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| 02:40.10 | marsjaninzmarsa | but it's still the best solution on the market. |
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| 02:41.34 | marsjaninzmarsa | Uller: why you wanna get kernel config files? if you gonna to modify them, that's not the smartest way, I believe. |
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| 02:42.00 | mutante | Uller: /boot/config-* |
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| 03:03.26 | srvk | marsjaninzmarsa: I assume there's no way to get rid of it in gnome? |
| 03:03.35 | srvk | pulseaudio |
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| 03:05.16 | marsjaninzmarsa | srvk: you have probably redirected stream from pulse to alsa, and you can try change output level in alsa directly |
| 03:05.22 | marsjaninzmarsa | via alsamixer |
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| 03:05.55 | srvk | but still, the applications mess with the levels and different applications end up playing back at different volumes automatically |
| 03:08.33 | srvk | if I change the volume in gnome the master in alsa changes with it. If I turn up the volume in rhythmbox, the alsa master changes with it. |
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| 03:10.27 | srvk | how do you know pulseaudio is causing this behaviour? |
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| 03:16.13 | marsjaninzmarsa | srvk: do not change master |
| 03:16.25 | marsjaninzmarsa | select sound card in alsa |
| 03:16.43 | marsjaninzmarsa | and change output |
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| 03:22.15 | srvk | like lower the output of all the channels, marsjaninzmarsa? |
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| 03:23.22 | srvk | If I do that then another weird bug happens. My audio will remain muted until the master volume reaches around 40%, the more I lower the output the higher the volume bar has to go to unmute, but I guess it does set a limit on the master. |
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| 03:25.30 | marsjaninzmarsa | umm |
| 03:25.34 | marsjaninzmarsa | dunno lol. :D |
| 03:25.43 | srvk | Lot's of stuff wrong with audio. I don't know if if this is for everyone, but for my sound card the right channel always comes muted by default. Why? Makes no sense to me. And no systemwide equalizer. |
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| 03:38.52 | woh3 | Hi all, I was hoping I could ask for your advice, I have purchased a new quad core 64 bit computer, and when it gets here I want to put debian on it, but cant figure out if I need debian or debian arm64, can anyone check out my computer specs and tell me? |
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| 03:42.41 | Murfjr | woh3: if the CPU has a 64bit architecture, you'll need amd64 to take advantage of it, even if it is an Intel chip, you still want to use amd64 |
| 03:43.16 | woh3 | yeah but it is a fanless minipc |
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| 03:43.56 | Murfjr | woh3: is it ARM of x86? |
| 03:44.20 | woh3 | so that doesnt matter? I was hoping I could run debian amd64 on it, 64 Bit Quad Core Intel Z3735F |
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| 03:44.39 | vickycq | Yes, you need amd64 |
| 03:44.48 | woh3 | Yes! |
| 03:45.14 | vickycq | ARM64 is for smartphones and tablets. |
| 03:45.28 | woh3 | it comes with dual boot android and windows 8.1, but I am gonna wipe that puppy the day I get it and flash some roms |
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| 03:46.20 | woh3 | that makes me happy, because I know arm64 has limited packages |
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| 03:46.51 | Murfjr | woh3: that's because some applications designed for the x86 instruction set won't work on ARMv* systems |
| 03:47.47 | woh3 | cool |
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| 03:48.35 | woh3 | I am totally excited to get this thing, if you wanna check it out it is at http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_187681.html |
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| 03:50.32 | epitomix | I have a drive that is not showing up (no output from blkid) after reboot, I tried older kernels, nothing ... however, SystemRescueCd is able to detect and mount the drive, any thoughts on what could be going on? |
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| 03:53.48 | Rusty1 | epitomix: does dmesg show anything related to it? |
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| 03:57.50 | epitomix | sda ... doesn't support DPO or FUA .. Unknown partition table |
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| 04:00.06 | epitomix | Rusty1: This is an HP gen6 blade system, we removed the drive while powered down then put it back in and now we are not able to see the drive partitions. |
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| 04:00.40 | epitomix | but again everything is OK in SystemRescueCd |
| 04:02.40 | Rusty1 | not being familiar wit systemRescuCd , i leave you to google: doesn't support DPO or FUA |
| 04:03.01 | epitomix | cheers thanks :) |
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| 04:03.17 | Rusty1 | or wait for one more knowledgable than i |
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| 05:38.38 | ijurisic | #debian-next is invite only? |
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| 05:40.48 | ijurisic | zykotick9, oh, I'm on wrong server..tnx. |
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| 07:10.45 | siru | hi |
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| 07:11.40 | siru | I am on debian jessie -- lowatch mail should go to root but it goes to the user mailbox ... config seems ok -- is there a setting that mail vor root goes to the user? |
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| 07:11.57 | siru | -v +f |
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| 07:14.19 | latsni | I am using usb tethering with debian jessie, the usb device has everytime a different mac address is there a way to force the same mac address for a usb network device? Or is that a problem of the device? |
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| 07:19.03 | lesta | latsni: try like root ifconfig for the usb0 dadat and get gataway (and dns ) with route -n |
| 07:19.58 | lesta | than u write the data in etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:20.12 | jelly | siru: grep ^root /etc/aliases ? |
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| 07:24.10 | bardzusny | lesta: different mac address each time you connect it? |
| 07:24.13 | bardzusny | sounds very weird |
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| 07:25.27 | bardzusny | lesta: if interface name stays the same (i.e. it's recognized as being the same device by udev) |
| 07:25.47 | bardzusny | just add "hwaddress ether A4-19-E2-94-DD-BB" to /etc/network/interfaces, under given interface |
| 07:26.08 | bardzusny | (example address from googled-out guide) |
| 07:26.24 | bardzusny | oops |
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| 07:26.48 | bardzusny | use colons instead: 'hwaddress ether 00:00:00:00:00:00' |
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| 07:30.15 | Atm0spher1c | Fresh jessie install. eth0 doesn't exist. What am I missing? |
| 07:31.21 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: usb or pci ? |
| 07:31.27 | Atm0spher1c | ethernet |
| 07:31.43 | Atm0spher1c | pci? |
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| 07:32.22 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: lspci -nn -> paste.debian.net |
| 07:33.02 | Atm0spher1c | that'll be fun, since there i cant connect to the machine |
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| 07:33.38 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: model and pci id for the device would do |
| 07:34.34 | Atm0spher1c | Equa: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: qualcomm atheros Killer e220x gigabit ethernet controller [1969:e091] (rev 10) |
| 07:35.45 | Atm0spher1c | it worked with a sid install, but i had to go back to stable |
| 07:36.29 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: have you followed the guide here -> https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
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| 07:38.29 | Atm0spher1c | Wasn't aware. This build has been nothing but trouble. Either proprietary bullshit, or other road blocks. |
| 07:38.30 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: looks like it's supported by the kernel. what is your kernel version? uname -r |
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| 07:38.40 | Atm0spher1c | and it even says its supported by jessie! |
| 07:38.52 | Atm0spher1c | 4.1.0 |
| 07:38.58 | Atm0spher1c | same as the one i used on sid |
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| 07:41.36 | Atm0spher1c | what else could it be? I dont have the service "networking" command available, which I've used on other installs. |
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| 07:43.27 | Atm0spher1c | it's this systemd crap. I have no idea whats going on. /etc/init.d/networking status is active |
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| 07:43.45 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: check dmesg for anything related the driver alx |
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| 07:44.05 | Atm0spher1c | nothing |
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| 07:45.48 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: lsmod | grep alx |
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| 07:47.44 | Atm0spher1c | nothing |
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| 07:48.56 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: follow the external link ->http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx |
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| 07:54.51 | Atm0spher1c | Equa: I appreciate all the help |
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| 07:55.10 | Equa | Atm0spher1c: np. hope it works out for you |
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| 07:57.47 | placko | How do I enable Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus and Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus for changing display resolution in Jessie? |
| 07:59.02 | siru | jelly: many thanks |
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| 07:59.26 | siru | that was it |
| 07:59.26 | siru | =) |
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| 07:59.46 | placko | Or, is there program to magnify portion of desktop in realtime. xmag is OK but it does not automaticaly update when I move mouse around. |
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| 08:01.55 | sweb | i try rebuild from source nginx via http2 support |
| 08:02.07 | sweb | http://nginx.org/patches/http2/README.txt |
| 08:02.12 | sweb | i use jessie backports |
| 08:02.23 | sweb | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--with-http_v2_module" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 08:02.47 | sweb | during build some error appear dpkg-buildflags: warning: invalid flag in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS: --with-http_v2_module |
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| 08:07.33 | pragomer1 | hi. is it possible to run a program, e.g. gthumb, using a different gtk-theme than the rest of the system? e.g. to choose the used theme via parameter? or config-file? |
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| 09:00.15 | ueber | hi there |
| 09:01.20 | SynrG | !ask |
| 09:01.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:01.27 | ueber | I need to execute autossh on system boot, I made a script file in /etc/cron.d/myscript, but it's not executed |
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| 09:02.23 | SynrG | Does it have execute permission set on it? |
| 09:02.47 | ueber | SynrG: yes sure, 755 |
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| 09:03.34 | SynrG | Owned by root? |
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| 09:03.56 | ueber | SynrG: yes |
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| 09:04.29 | SynrG | Filename meets requirements as documented? |
| 09:04.30 | menace | did anyone notice that virt-manager shows kvm guests as active, though they are shutdown quite a while? |
| 09:04.54 | SynrG | No dots |
| 09:05.25 | ueber | here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/eEnKyFpX |
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| 09:06.53 | SynrG | ueber: the filename is exactly as in the hashbang line? No dots in it? |
| 09:07.08 | jelly | ueber: missing username field in the cron job definition |
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| 09:07.47 | ueber | SynrG: yes, the filename is exactly as in the hashbang line |
| 09:07.48 | jelly | ueber: @reboot user autossh... |
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| 09:08.44 | ueber | jelly: so should it be, @reboot root autossh -f -M 5122 -N -L 33061:localhost:3306 tunneluser@ip & |
| 09:08.48 | SynrG | Mmm. cron.d does not contain scripts, but cron definitions |
| 09:09.06 | jelly | ueber: yes, except there's absolutely no reason to run that as root |
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| 09:10.22 | jelly | your tunnel is basically an ad-hoc service, it should preferably run under a user specifically made for that service |
| 09:10.35 | ueber | ok |
| 09:11.04 | ueber | however here I read that for @reboot the user is not requested https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto |
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| 09:11.07 | jelly | (but then you need to clone or set up different ssh keys) |
| 09:11.07 | SynrG | jelly, ueber: err. unless i'm missing something ... /etc/cron.d/myscript shouldn't be a script |
| 09:11.21 | SynrG | it should be a cron definition with the same format as crontab except for one field |
| 09:11.29 | SynrG | as per doc |
| 09:11.54 | SynrG | that, in turn, points at your myscript |
| 09:12.18 | ueber | mmmh |
| 09:12.23 | SynrG | see cron and crontab man pages |
| 09:13.03 | ueber | in your opinion what's the best method for executing a command on system boot ? |
| 09:13.25 | koollman | making an init script |
| 09:13.29 | SynrG | ^ |
| 09:14.11 | koollman | second best is a line in /etc/rc.local, third is a @reboot entry in some crontab |
| 09:14.16 | jelly | ueber: it depends on whether it's a one-off command or a service to be managed and restarted if it crashes |
| 09:14.30 | jelly | ueber: yours... looks like a service |
| 09:14.45 | ueber | jelly: I need to execute autossh as in pastebin |
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| 09:15.05 | jelly | ueber: and you don't care if autossh itself crashes and stops workig? |
| 09:15.23 | ueber | jelly: no, because autossh is made for auto restarting |
| 09:15.29 | SynrG | ah, never mind. that is indeed a cron definition and your characterization of it initially as "a script" is simply wrong :) |
| 09:15.38 | ueber | otherwise I'd use ssh.. :) |
| 09:15.59 | jelly | ueber: the thing isn't completely reliable, in my experience |
| 09:16.43 | jelly | but yes, autossh itself is a service monitor of a sort |
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| 09:17.35 | ueber | therefore to fix it, /etc/cron.d/autossh should contain: @reboot root /path/to/script |
| 09:17.54 | SynrG | running services as anything but a service is just lazy and will eventually come back to haunt you :p |
| 09:18.11 | ueber | what do you suggest? |
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| 09:18.19 | SynrG | make an init script, as we said before |
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| 09:18.40 | jelly | or a systemd unit |
| 09:18.45 | SynrG | or that |
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| 09:20.25 | SynrG | once you implement a lazy solution once, and it seems to work, you will tend to repeat your mistake. there's no time like the present for learning to do things properly, before it gets out of hand :) |
| 09:21.14 | jelly | at least it's not an @reboot screen -dmS autossh |
| 09:21.26 | SynrG | heh |
| 09:21.48 | SynrG | i've seen that as a solution for starting game servers |
| 09:21.55 | SynrG | minecraft, etc. |
| 09:22.24 | ueber | therefore should I make a bash script under /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 09:22.48 | SynrG | that's the old, deprecated method, yes. the new way is systemd unit files |
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| 09:23.19 | SynrG | you lose the finer control over things systemd gives you if you use the old method |
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| 09:29.34 | DoctorD90 | hello! i'd have to run unknown sotware on my linux that needs installation. This software use graphics, so it isnt a "simple" cli software. I thougth to chroot/schroot, but reading on net, i have understand that it is there some other way, like containers or oher sort of vm-like....what is the "best" solution to be able to install/run software without fear that my real pc gets virus/etc? im using virtualbox atm, but after learning chroot, i hav |
| 09:30.31 | SynrG | DoctorD90: which Debian release? |
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| 09:30.55 | folivora | gnome audio settings does not list any output devices. aplay -L lists those devices. Any idea why suddently audio devices are missing from gnome |
| 09:31.47 | SynrG | folivora: 'suddenly'? are you running jessie? |
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| 09:34.09 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: mainly i run stable...so atm jessie :P |
| 09:34.46 | SynrG | ok. it's just that earlier you had asked about kali, so i had wondered |
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| 09:35.04 | SynrG | we don't support kali here. |
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| 09:36.00 | SynrG | and yes, containers are popular. i'm lacking in experience, but i hear many people like lxc and docker. |
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| 09:36.22 | SynrG | certainly those have lower overhead than running a full vm |
| 09:36.57 | SynrG | DoctorD90: also, your question was too long and truncated at "but after learning chroot, i hav" |
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| 09:36.59 | jwd | if you not need to run an other os in a vm containers will do easy |
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| 09:37.49 | folivora | SynrG: yes before sound has been working just nicely. Yep I am running jessie... |
| 09:37.51 | jwd | but doctorD90. for an easy start you could use something like virtualbox on your system |
| 09:37.51 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: for the moment(you have rigth) i mainly run kali from usb as live all days, but im going to purchase pc, on which i will finall install debian (and not use it only in vm under wins or in live kali) |
| 09:38.52 | DoctorD90 | jwd, i yet use virtualbox....but i'd like to run something that require less overhead.... |
| 09:38.55 | SynrG | DoctorD90: if you're asking for solutions to implement on kali, we cannot help with that. if you try what we advise on your current kali live system and it breaks, we can't know if it was because kali did something strange ... |
| 09:39.19 | SynrG | DoctorD90: consider running a live Debian for your experiments, not kali |
| 09:39.26 | SynrG | at least, if you want to get support here. |
| 09:39.29 | jwd | well to support any form of containers/vms you will have overhead |
| 09:39.32 | DoctorD90 | learning to virtualize, i have discovered a new worldmof virtualization under linux :) |
| 09:40.28 | jwd | if you realy want to learn you coudl setup vm player or workstation. then you could even run virtualisation solutions inside the vms to learn the various solutions |
| 09:40.30 | DoctorD90 | yes yes SynrG ! not kali related :) but debian :) on win i have vm with jessie/stable installed :) so im asking about pure debian system :) not strange issue under kali :) |
| 09:41.05 | jwd | virtualisation on a desktop system for not so experienced users i would suggest virtualbox |
| 09:41.12 | SynrG | as long as we are dealing in future plans for your as yet non-existent debian system, that's fine. but it is more practical to have a debian system handy to try things. |
| 09:41.21 | SynrG | hence my suggestion. |
| 09:41.30 | jwd | real server virtualisation use xen, kvm, pve ... |
| 09:41.37 | SynrG | i think the temptation will otherwise be strong to try things on kali, and then ask here ... |
| 09:41.44 | SynrG | which is not allowed |
| 09:41.54 | DoctorD90 | jwd, it is what im doing....but im just asking: reading about chroot, it is written that it is not the best about security between guest/host envs. And running graphical software, im still geting some issue(not work yet xD) ...so i was asking forma good solution :) |
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| 09:42.13 | jwd | chroot is a totaly different way to do things |
| 09:42.14 | SynrG | see http://www.debian.org/CD/live |
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| 09:43.20 | jwd | to have realy seperated systems use a real virtualisation solution |
| 09:43.22 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: i repeat me, maybe my english is always bad xD ...im not asking about issue under "test" on kali. Im askingnfor solution for virtualizing (linux staff) under an installed debian stable version :) |
| 09:43.48 | jwd | a real solution would be to install kvm |
| 09:43.58 | jwd | if you cpu supports that |
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| 09:44.07 | DoctorD90 | jwd, so only stuff like vbox or vmware? nothing as docker, lxc, and other stuff that im reading about? |
| 09:44.39 | SynrG | DoctorD90: my recommendation stands. i wasn't rejecting your current question. i was advising how you can try stuff *today*, before your purchase of your new debian system. |
| 09:44.50 | SynrG | DoctorD90: and gave you a URL to help |
| 09:45.01 | jwd | oki let me ask in a diff way. you want to play/learn virtualisation? or use for real stuff |
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| 09:46.09 | jwd | for example. i bought me a notebook with a quadcore amd proc 16GB ram to develop and work on stuff. |
| 09:46.12 | DoctorD90 | jwd my target WOULD be, to not load an entire new system, in virtualbox(as im doing now) using fixed "XXX mb ram" wheni may use 12mb ram at least.....but being not very experience with that, im asking for a good solution :) |
| 09:46.42 | jwd | there i installed vmware player to be able to have a choice to boot up various virtualisation solutions inside |
| 09:47.13 | jwd | oki then you need a solution that allows to run lxc-containers. |
| 09:47.27 | jwd | 1 vm and multiple lxc-containers inside |
| 09:47.37 | DoctorD90 | no, real stuff. I run a software under windows, but to be "available" under other pc, i run in virtualbox. Under linux, i would escape virtualbox solution, if it is possible. Not learning just for lesrning :) |
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| 09:48.06 | DoctorD90 | ok, so i have to read about lxc-containers :) |
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| 09:48.51 | jwd | they use the underlaying os but you can build isolated systems inside |
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| 09:50.00 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: you have totally rigth, and i have understood. But as you said, if i run in deb live, i may be pushed to run under kali(just because under kali live i have builded script to install what i need at each boot...under another not kali system this mean loose all data between reboot). for this i would go learning a targetted stuff under a (vm) installed debian system :) |
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| 09:50.40 | DoctorD90 | jwd, sorry, what do you mean wiht "underlaying" ? :) just to understand "proof of concept" :) |
| 09:50.46 | jwd | https://dpaste.de/RoO0 |
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| 09:51.14 | jwd | the outer box in that picture is the physical computer running debian for example |
| 09:51.49 | jwd | the inner smaller boxes are lxc-containers set up like individual pcs sharing the host OS, but with isolated networking/configs/apps |
| 09:52.38 | jwd | with your virtualbox solution you would use an isolated vm for each of the inner boxes |
| 09:53.19 | DoctorD90 | so, even if software try to install malware software, i may be sure about my real system? rigth? (as in virtual box :P) |
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| 09:53.41 | jwd | yes if its attempted inside an inner box |
| 09:53.51 | SynrG | DoctorD90: great. as long as you have a means to test things in a debian VM, that addresses my concern. |
| 09:53.59 | jwd | but the goal will be anyway to secure the complete system so that can not happen |
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| 09:54.34 | DoctorD90 | ok, so i just condivided kernel, ram, cpu, without load hardware with running new system.....but i may be sure about "installing malware software"...it will be installed in container :) |
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| 09:55.02 | jwd | yes except the bad guy/tool reaches your real server |
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| 09:55.26 | jwd | but that you will try to disallow anyway |
| 09:56.13 | DoctorD90 | yes SynrG :) i have win7 original on pc. I would not play with its own partion recovery etc...so my uniqe "real" installed debian is under a vm. other is kali daily live. But on new pc, main os will be debian. And instead to create a new virtualbox, i just will run lxc :D |
| 09:56.30 | jwd | in my case for example every lxc-container that runs a public reachable service (mail. web ... ) gets a secure setting as good as possible |
| 09:56.46 | DoctorD90 | ehm....jwd, itis written under lxc about "how to disabled that" ? |
| 09:56.59 | jwd | what you mean? |
| 09:57.09 | DoctorD90 | or are other setting that has been searched on web? it is in manual of lxc i mean |
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| 09:58.17 | jwd | well your milage might vary. but i try to always isolate apps and buse as much security as possible. so i treat every container as if it would be an own box |
| 09:58.17 | DoctorD90 | site manual> basic installation/ settings advanced / tweek about security ....or just only first and once? |
| 09:58.46 | jwd | learn how to do things basic first, then tweak them :P |
| 09:59.08 | jwd | btw i do not manualy configure such a system from hand |
| 09:59.09 | DoctorD90 | but if apps under container want to write in /usr/local/bin (just to make an example), it will write in "root" of container? rigth" |
| 09:59.43 | jwd | yes. the container got an own /usr/local/bin isolated from the OS on the host. |
| 09:59.46 | DoctorD90 | ah great, so there are ready tool! good to know! |
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| 10:00.16 | jwd | no tool as you would like. :P |
| 10:00.19 | DoctorD90 | each container create an own its "basic system root"...great. thia is all what i need |
| 10:00.28 | jwd | i use ansible roles and playbooks to configure systems |
| 10:00.58 | DoctorD90 | so even if it install bad stuffs, when container is turned on, also thenpossible "spyware" is turned on...great |
| 10:01.20 | DoctorD90 | i go to bookmarks these 2...i will google about... |
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| 10:01.39 | DoctorD90 | and about docker? 0o may i ask you an easy explaination as that about it? |
| 10:02.05 | DoctorD90 | on google all "complex" or too much reductive explaination in english.... |
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| 10:02.52 | jwd | docker is a total different aproach. nothing i need for my live |
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| 10:03.31 | jwd | docker you can see as isolating apps (not complete systems) in containers |
| 10:04.03 | DoctorD90 | because reading about virtualization i have find out chroot, lxc, and docket..other then "normal" vbox/vmware... |
| 10:04.18 | DoctorD90 | ah ok |
| 10:04.28 | Haxxa | Hi Guys< Currently on gnome testing and when I start my laptop I get gnome shell say : Oh no! Something has gone wrong. - it loads anyway but I want to prevent that screen from showing - any ideas on how to diagnose? |
| 10:04.36 | DoctorD90 | so just the minimal formtesting pourpose for that apps |
| 10:04.41 | Haxxa | *debian testing |
| 10:04.57 | jwd | testing is the source of evil |
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| 10:05.23 | Haxxa | jwd gnome 3.14 dpi settings don't work |
| 10:05.32 | DoctorD90 | xD c'mon xD without it, we will never get new updates xD |
| 10:05.43 | Haxxa | I need 3.16 which is included in testing |
| 10:06.01 | jwd | sorry i do not use gnome. can't help with that |
| 10:06.45 | jwd | i prefere a text console or in complex cases i can accept a web gui :P |
| 10:07.07 | jwd | yeah but if you only need one package you could use a backport version |
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| 10:14.53 | DoctorD90 | jwd SynrG thx for suggests! i go to read about lxc so :D thx! |
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| 10:15.22 | DoctorD90 | ah! may you suggest me site on which create customized laptop? sure/secure site? |
| 10:15.36 | DoctorD90 | dell has closed division for that :( |
| 10:15.44 | dongs | how do i get /lib/modules/<uname>/build/.config |
| 10:15.50 | dongs | which package do i need for that |
| 10:16.36 | towo^work | kernel-headers? |
| 10:16.49 | knivsta | hi |
| 10:17.29 | dongs | E: Unable to locate package kernel-headers |
| 10:17.51 | towo^work | linux-headers-$(name -r) |
| 10:17.55 | towo^work | grr |
| 10:17.58 | towo^work | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:18.23 | Night_Elf | rsyslog related question. I have configured a few cisco switches to send logs to a remote syslog, which is my desk computer. It works, but very strangely the logging seems to happen with a very slight delay, which is cumulative in time. So after a couple of days, the syslog would have remained some 6 hours behind. |
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| 10:18.31 | dongs | towo^work: looks good thanks |
| 10:18.39 | Night_Elf | What would be the cause for this? |
| 10:18.56 | jwd | to many messages to process? |
| 10:19.53 | dongs | looks like its building |
| 10:20.07 | Night_Elf | jwd: I don't think that an average of one line in 10 seconds would be considered too many. That's what I see at the switch consoles and also at the syslog file. |
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| 10:20.15 | jwd | agreeed |
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| 10:21.06 | jwd | times on system are in sync? |
| 10:21.20 | jwd | but well that should not cause delays to. |
| 10:21.58 | jwd | does your target system try to do ip resolving and is unable to? |
| 10:22.06 | Night_Elf | jwd: well the times are definitely out of syc as some switches are like with dates showing year 2008. |
| 10:22.46 | Night_Elf | jwd: I am not sure about the reslolving. How can I check and how could I possibly disable it? |
| 10:23.25 | jwd | i noticed sometimes on systems that the target delayed things when the resolver been not realy working. |
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| 10:23.44 | SynrG | dongs: a word about that. if you use the linux-image-amd64 metapackage, also install the linux-headers-amd64 metapackage (or whatever your arch suffix is) because then they will upgrade in sync with each other. |
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| 10:24.05 | jwd | what in the rare cases helped me then been just to add 1 line to resolv.conf -> order hosts,bind. that in all my cases made the problem disapear |
| 10:24.24 | SynrG | dongs: installing only the current kernel version of the headers package, as towo^work suggested, runs the risk that on the next kernel upgrade you won't automatically be upgraded to the matching headers. |
| 10:24.39 | dongs | SynrG: so wat do i do now that one is already installed. |
| 10:24.41 | SynrG | so subsequent module rebuilds will fail for your new kernel |
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| 10:24.53 | SynrG | dongs: there's no harm in it. it would be installed anyway by the metapackage |
| 10:24.59 | Night_Elf | If I restart dhe rsyslog daemon, all gets synced, and the switch consoles show rightly what appears at my computer's /var/log/file.log But then again the delay happens, it's like time itself runs very slightly slower on switches. |
| 10:25.03 | dongs | so just install linux-headers-amd64 ? |
| 10:25.07 | jwd | but i switched back from syslog on the central host over to graylog now anyway so i can't even test that |
| 10:25.15 | SynrG | dongs: yes. assuming you also have linux-image-amd64 |
| 10:25.20 | SynrG | dongs: check that :) |
| 10:25.25 | dongs | how do i know if i do |
| 10:25.30 | dongs | i it just default. |
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| 10:25.33 | jwd | sounds like the mmessages get queued somehow and are not instant processed |
| 10:25.34 | dongs | + wahtever kernel that was installed. |
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| 10:26.04 | SynrG | dongs: dpkg -l linux-image-amd64 ... should have 'ii' in first two columns (or apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 is more verbose and self-explanatory) |
| 10:26.26 | dongs | yeah has ii |
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| 10:26.32 | Night_Elf | jwd: I think so too. But I am ubable to think of some place where these messages get queued. It's strange. |
| 10:26.53 | SynrG | dongs: great. so install linux-headers-amd64. this changes nothing that you did, except when you later upgrade kernels, you'll get matching headers now |
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| 10:27.25 | dongs | good. |
| 10:27.25 | SynrG | (i.e. no need to recompile or anything) |
| 10:27.26 | jwd | what the hell is that? |
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| 10:28.05 | dongs | thanks. |
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| 10:29.48 | jwd | anyway meeting with a customer coming up. bbl |
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| 10:57.31 | subscious | Hello. Can ubuntudesktop as found with aptitude on a ubuntu install be found/installed on a debian install? |
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| 11:02.11 | vickycq | ubuntu-desktop is not in oficial debian repo. |
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| 11:05.24 | vickycq | Currently it's not possible to install Unity in debian. Work is being done though. See https://wiki.debian.org/Ayatana/Packages |
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| 11:08.35 | subscious | vickycq: Okay. |
| 11:09.01 | subscious | vickycq: I don't know much about unity. Does it change alot of the system? |
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| 11:11.55 | vickycq | Back in 2011 developers had been working to port Unity to debian. Take a look at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 to get a clue where the problem started. |
| 11:11.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/609278 in wnpp (open): «RFP: unity -- Interface for Ubuntu Desktop Edition»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-01-08; last modified: 2013-10-26. |
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| 11:16.53 | hypermist | the 1 struggle i always have finding debian .iso's |
| 11:16.58 | hypermist | ./-/. |
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| 11:25.11 | BadCodSmell | Fonts are a night mare in debian |
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| 11:26.14 | BadCodSmell | Where can I find arial? |
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| 11:27.53 | lord_rob | msttcorefonts ? |
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| 11:28.55 | allizom | BadCodSmell: ttf-mscorefonts-installer (in contrib) |
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| 11:34.08 | lord_rob | yes msttcorefonts was the old name |
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| 11:35.11 | Svetlana | Which package gives gtk-config command? I can not find at packages.debian.org. |
| 11:36.32 | latsni | placko: did you tried xzoom, yet? |
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| 11:38.37 | lord_rob | Svetlana: apt-file does not return any result so are you sure of your command? |
| 11:39.04 | Svetlana | lord_rob: Perl's Gtk module in cpan expects that command to exist |
| 11:39.34 | sv06000 | hi, I try to install jessie into HP DL360 Gen9 , but without success , blocked into partitioning process 33% I treid officila amd64 netinstall and nonfree-firmaware same thing any idea ? |
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| 11:44.35 | subscious | /part |
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| 11:45.46 | lord_rob | Svetlana: librcc-dev: /usr/share/doc/librcc-dev/html/rcc-gtk-config_8c.html <----------- that's the closest thing I can find |
| 11:46.11 | Svetlana | ok thanks |
| 11:46.26 | lord_rob | play with apt-file |
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| 11:48.06 | lord_rob | sometimes you'll have to compile missing things from sourc of cource |
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| 11:49.08 | lord_rob | or just download and install them from third parties |
| 11:49.42 | BadCodSmell | allizom: incorrect |
| 11:49.58 | BadCodSmell | It is impossible to properly get font packages |
| 11:50.15 | BadCodSmell | You just have to install them all on a dummy machine and browser them/scrutinise the files, etc |
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| 11:51.37 | jelly | ,v libgtk2-perl |
| 11:51.38 | judd | Package: libgtk2-perl on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.222-1; squeeze-security-lts: 2:1.222-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.242-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.244-1; wheezy-security: 2:1.244-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2:1.2492-4; stretch: 2:1.2495-1; sid: 2:1.2495-1; experimental: 2:1.2496-2 |
| 11:51.51 | jelly | Svetlana: ^^ that perl's gtk module? |
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| 11:53.17 | jelly | sv06000: hm, is that a machine with sata disks or with a proper smartarray and sas? |
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| 11:53.31 | Svetlana | jelly, not sure. I was rather stupidly running `cpanm --sudo install Gtk', per https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Gtk-Perl/Gtk/cookbook.pod . |
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| 11:54.31 | allizom | BadCodSmell: What? |
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| 11:55.06 | jelly | Svetlana: ah. Next time try to apt-cache search Gtk perl |
| 11:55.20 | Svetlana | jelly, upon installing libgtk2-perl the script still complains that ``use Gtk'' says ``Can't locate Gtk.pm in @INC''. |
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| 11:55.50 | jelly | Svetlana: that's probably a result of your cpan attempt |
| 11:56.08 | Svetlana | I purged it and installed it again - same result |
| 11:56.23 | jelly | judd: file /Gtk.pm |
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| 11:56.27 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 11:56.29 | jelly | judd: file Gtk.pm |
| 11:56.32 | judd | Search for Gtk.pm in jessie/amd64: fvwm: usr/share/fvwm/perllib/FVWM/Module/Gtk.pm; libdata-treedumper-renderer-gtk-perl: usr/share/perl5/Data/TreeDumper/Renderer/GTK.pm; libur-perl: usr/share/perl5/UR/Object/View/Default/Gtk.pm |
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| 11:57.23 | sv06000 | jelly : is a sas |
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| 11:57.56 | jelly | Svetlana: yeah. libgtk2-perl brings the module Gtk2 |
| 11:58.07 | John[Lisbeth] | Can you install straight debian on a raspberry pi? |
| 11:58.20 | Svetlana | that's my interpretation as well, was expecting to get Gtk working |
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| 12:00.16 | sv06000 | jelly, sorry I think it is Hewlett-Packard Company Smart Array Gen9 Controllers Smart Array |
| 12:00.35 | wdouglass | is there a way i can get iptables to match a range of mac addresses? I only want to respond to devices of a certian manufacturer, so i want to match addresses like AA:BB:CC:*:*:* -- is this possible with iptables or nft? |
| 12:00.40 | John[Lisbeth] | What I really mean to say is can a raspberry pi be supported by debian? |
| 12:01.03 | jelly | Svetlana: looking at the changelog, that module seems to basically be from 2003 and using Gtk v1. That hasn't existed in Debian for quite a while. |
| 12:01.06 | Brigo | John[Lisbeth], https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
| 12:01.08 | aborrero | wdouglass: yeah, it is possible |
| 12:01.21 | Svetlana | jelly, ok, thanks for checking |
| 12:01.31 | aborrero | wdouglass: head to #netfilter |
| 12:01.38 | wdouglass | aborrero: thanks...i can't seem to find the syntax documented anywhere; i'll head there now. |
| 12:01.49 | John[Lisbeth] | So you are saying that if I follow that guide, then I can use this channel for support on debian? |
| 12:02.06 | John[Lisbeth] | and other debian support channels? |
| 12:02.23 | Brigo | John[Lisbeth], i am saying you can find the information you are searching for in that wiki. |
| 12:02.25 | sv06000 | I find hpsa driver in https://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins#hpsa may be this driver missing from netinstall ? |
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| 12:03.23 | jelly | sv06000: it's present alright. Something else is amiss. You did create an array via smartarray bios? the installer sees a disk? |
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| 12:07.29 | John[Lisbeth] | Brigo, that guide says that debian now works on the raspberry pi 2 and points to this guide: sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/ |
| 12:07.40 | sv06000 | jelly : I created smartarray t440 ar and the installer sees the disque |
| 12:08.09 | John[Lisbeth] | However this does not look like an offical debian webpage. |
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| 12:08.47 | Brigo | John[Lisbeth], the support channel policy is clear, we support only debian stable. If you install it, fine, if you add some packages or make some big modifications you are on your own. We can't support all the modification people want to make. |
| 12:09.15 | jelly | Brigo: well, we occasionally cater to testing and unstable if the questions are real easy |
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| 12:09.27 | jelly | and older releases, too |
| 12:09.34 | Brigo | jelly, yes, right. |
| 12:09.40 | John[Lisbeth] | Maybe this is not the channel I am looking for, then. |
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| 12:10.48 | jelly | John[Lisbeth]: arm boards are all special and have interesting boot loader and kernel issues. However if you have an actual debian userspace on top of that, and better, if you have a debian distro kernel, this is a good place to ask. |
| 12:12.21 | jelly | !arm |
| 12:12.21 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:12.39 | jelly | ^^ "For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net." |
| 12:13.15 | jelly | rpi2 is able to run actual armhf debian, yes |
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| 12:18.53 | placko | latsni: Thank, I was not aware of this package. It is what I was looking for! |
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| 12:19.12 | jelly | sv06000: hm, dunno then. There should be a shell on Ctrl-Alt-F3 or -F4 console, so you can look at dmesg and process list and figure out where it hung |
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| 12:20.13 | nlsthzn | o/ debian 8 with trinity desktop, using music player clementine and it isn't showing korean characters, only blocks... any idea how to fix? |
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| 12:20.41 | sv06000 | last message I can see inot console 4, partman found dos partion table in /dev/sda and stop afer |
| 12:21.28 | sv06000 | after sorry |
| 12:21.37 | placko | latsni: Well, almost what I was looking for... If it only focused on current mouse position instead of fixed place :) |
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| 12:22.21 | jelly | sv06000: can you open a shell on Alt-F2 or Alt-F3? |
| 12:22.29 | sv06000 | yes |
| 12:22.35 | sv06000 | jelly |
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| 12:23.28 | jelly | sv06000: anything weird in dmesg? |
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| 12:25.33 | sv06000 | jelly : /dev/sda1 unknow partion table |
| 12:26.56 | wallbroken | how to reboot from normal user? |
| 12:28.37 | sv06000 | jelly : sorry sda unknown partion table |
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| 12:31.19 | placko | wallbroken: sudo rebooot |
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| 12:31.54 | wallbroken | ... |
| 12:31.58 | wallbroken | i said "from normal user" |
| 12:32.19 | placko | wallbroken: push reset button |
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| 12:32.45 | wallbroken | ignore set. |
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| 12:33.10 | Brigo | can you reboot with cntr+alt+sup ? |
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| 12:33.37 | jelly | sv06000: oh, that just means there's no partition table at all, because it's a fresh new disk |
| 12:33.53 | wallbroken | which is "sup" button ? |
| 12:34.05 | Zoddo | wallbroken : Del |
| 12:34.07 | Brigo | wallbroken, del |
| 12:34.18 | Brigo | wallbroken, spanish keyboard here, sorry :) |
| 12:34.33 | at0m | also in french, ~ supprimer |
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| 12:34.54 | Brigo | wallbroken, anyway, reboot or shutdown -r command should work for you. |
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| 12:35.26 | wallbroken | reboot does not exist in normal user |
| 12:35.46 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.52 | at0m | wallbroken: i wondered how desktops did it, found out they call the DM which runs as root |
| 12:36.04 | Brigo | normal use don't have /sbin in $PATH. |
| 12:36.17 | Nick82632 | hi i have problem with qwebirc [qwebirc.root.RootSite] Could not accept new connection (EMFILE) |
| 12:36.30 | wallbroken | yes, /sbin/reboot works |
| 12:36.38 | placko | noraml user can not reboot. Only root can! |
| 12:36.44 | wallbroken | so only need to add /sbin/ as a system path |
| 12:36.49 | wallbroken | in normal user |
| 12:37.42 | at0m | https://wiki.debian.org/UserShutdown |
| 12:37.56 | jelly | wallbroken: which debian release are you using, and which desktop environment if any? |
| 12:38.05 | sv06000 | jelly: ok is there a workaround ? |
| 12:38.19 | jelly | sv06000: we still don't know what the problem is |
| 12:38.30 | wallbroken | jelly, debian 8 with openbox |
| 12:38.49 | jelly | sv06000: try asking in #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net, that's the d-i channel |
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| 12:39.41 | jelly | sv06000: since this is a proliant, I'd also try getting the latest SPP and patching all the firmware, sometimes HP fixes stuff |
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| 12:40.15 | nlsthzn | k, got korean characters to show properly after - sudo apt-get install ttf-unfonts-core |
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| 12:52.57 | sv06000 | jelly, ok can jsut say me when I read how I can patch firmaware , I download debs packages from hp |
| 12:53.16 | CalimeroTeknik | hello, I'm trying to find the package for /usr/share/perl5/Devel/Trace.pm in squeeze? I found this http://apt-browse.org/browse/debian/wheezy/main/all/libdevel-trace-perl/0.12-1/ |
| 12:53.45 | CalimeroTeknik | oops broken question. how can I install that on squeeze? |
| 12:53.50 | sv06000 | jelly: I tried to make my iso with a direcory firmware contents all debs from HP |
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| 12:56.14 | jelly | sv06000: sure, but no firmware is needed for hpsa |
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| 12:56.54 | sv06000 | I try to check if hpsa is loaded by lsmod | grep hpsa , may be wrong way |
| 12:57.03 | jelly | sv06000: oh... for patching, HP has a firmware dvd image, you just boot it and let it do its thing automatically |
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| 12:57.33 | sv06000 | jelly: oki |
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| 13:07.39 | CalimeroTeknik | (nevermind, I copy-pasted the file there, which is acceptable for a throwaway chroot) |
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| 13:09.40 | jelly | sv06000: sorry, I can't paste a direct link to firmware dvd because HP changed their web again |
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| 13:15.21 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 13:19.34 | Josh4all | Is there a way to use VPN(PPTP) under Debian LXDE? |
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| 13:27.04 | eryn-guest | hi guys how do i determine which video driver i am actually using?? |
| 13:27.07 | eryn-guest | nvidia or nouvea? |
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| 13:29.19 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 13:30.02 | tite12345 | I can't send an email via Icedove. It asks me if I can re-enter my password for my current email account and I keep putting in the correct password but I still can't send an email. |
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| 13:30.20 | tite12345 | It just keeps on asking me if I want to re-enter my password. |
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| 13:34.45 | tite12345 | Are mails such as those fetched by Icedove saved in /var/spool or /var/mail/spool ? |
| 13:35.28 | at0m | tite12345: ~/.icedove/$profile/ |
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| 13:38.32 | at0m | tite12345: do you use imap or pop/smtp? |
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| 13:39.11 | Voyage | Hi |
| 13:39.15 | Voyage | Anyone ever did multi seat? |
| 13:39.27 | at0m | dpkg: tell Voyage about anyone |
| 13:39.37 | Voyage | hm |
| 13:39.37 | Voyage | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.05 | pouete | Hey guys, question here : i am trying to download debian with jigdo but the scripts tells me : File `debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.template' does not exist! |
| 13:40.14 | pouete | is there anything wrong i did ? |
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| 13:40.44 | pouete | https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ i used these instructions |
| 13:40.55 | Zzeiss | Preference: Simple, short learning curve video editor for Debian? |
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| 13:42.57 | Voyage | waits |
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| 13:49.33 | Uller | What is the kernel that is being used by stable/testing? |
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| 13:51.00 | markybob | Uller, look it up. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-amd64 https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:51.02 | tite12345 | at0m: imap |
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| 13:52.18 | themill | Uller: stable and testing have different kernels; /msg judd kernels |
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| 13:55.25 | Uller | okay, I got bootable USB with live isntallations |
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| 13:55.41 | Uller | but I can't install it doesnt detect CD |
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| 13:57.43 | ueber | hello |
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| 13:58.09 | ueber | I made an init.d script for autossh, but it's not executed at boot time |
| 13:58.13 | ueber | here is http://pastebin.com/kFszkQDE |
| 13:59.25 | giuseppe_ | hello everyone... can somebody suggest me some good to do list application for gnu linux ?that well integrates with i3 wm |
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| 14:00.32 | AfterDark | Possibly stupid question. How is Btrfs doing in Deb 8.1? Mature enough to use on the daily? |
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| 14:02.45 | ueber | please help |
| 14:03.01 | ueber | the init.d script does not run on startup |
| 14:03.11 | ueber | here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/kFszkQDE |
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| 14:07.20 | jelly | sv06000: https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/try.do?productNumber=spp_2015.06.0_1&lang=en&cc=us&hpappid=114372_PDAPI_SWD_PRO_HPE |
| 14:07.44 | ueber | jelly: hello, I changed from cron.d to init.d, but it does not start |
| 14:08.24 | jelly | ueber: sorry, a bit busy right now |
| 14:08.36 | Hawri | ueber: have you tried full path to autossh in your script? |
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| 14:08.58 | ueber | Hawri: I could try.. |
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| 14:16.16 | giuseppe_ | how can i know which files has been installed with a program ? |
| 14:16.29 | giuseppe_ | i mean let's say i install sudo apt-get install myPkgName |
| 14:16.40 | giuseppe_ | and after ... how do i know which files are installed ? |
| 14:16.50 | giuseppe_ | so that i can know how to run the program = |
| 14:16.53 | giuseppe_ | ? |
| 14:17.03 | markybob | giuseppe_, dpkg -L foo |
| 14:17.30 | giuseppe_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:20.53 | ravioli | Hi! I have a stupid question, and I can't find much info via Google for it (it might be that I don't know what to ask). I upgraded to Jessie, and now apt-get upgrade helpfully informs me that there are several packages that it wants to autoremove which were installed automatically and are no longer required. This is usually great because I like to run a clean box where it has nothing that it doesn't need - |
| 14:20.59 | ravioli | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.02 | ravioli | ... git and python3.2 in there that i /know/ are, in fact, still required. why could these items be showing up there? |
| 14:21.06 | ravioli | (sorry, my linebreak plugin on irssi is a bit wonky sometimes) |
| 14:21.41 | ueber | Hawri: done, but not executed |
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| 14:22.03 | ueber | ps aux | grep 33061 does not display it |
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| 14:27.30 | ueber | I made an init.d script for executing autossh on system startup, here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/kFszkQDE |
| 14:27.43 | ueber | but it's not executed |
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| 14:28.08 | ueber | is there anything wrong ? |
| 14:28.43 | Hawri | ueber: why are you greping 33061 |
| 14:29.07 | Brigo | ueber, are you using jessie with systemd? |
| 14:29.15 | ueber | Hawri: because it's a string contained only on that command |
| 14:29.33 | ueber | Brigo: I'm using Debian 8 |
| 14:29.58 | Brigo | ueber, did you reload systemd? |
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| 14:30.04 | ueber | Brigo: no |
| 14:30.19 | ueber | Brigo: I rebooted |
| 14:30.27 | Brigo | ueber, fine |
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| 14:30.58 | Brigo | systemd generates the unit file from the init script on boot and write it in /var/run/systemd |
| 14:31.43 | Brigo | ueber, you just create the file in /etc/init.d without links in /etc/rc.* ? |
| 14:32.08 | ueber | Brigo: correct, I just created it on /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:32.55 | Brigo | ueber, you need to create the links in /etc/rc.*, rc.3 at least, i think. |
| 14:33.15 | ueber | update-rc.d autossh defaults ? |
| 14:33.20 | Brigo | or systemd nor systemvinit will run it. |
| 14:33.25 | Brigo | ueber, could be. |
| 14:34.10 | markybob | UberSMPL, old article but still applies. https://www.debian-administration.org/article/28/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian |
| 14:34.23 | markybob | ueber, ^ |
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| 14:36.24 | Zzeiss | OK. Thanks. I'll try Kdenlive. |
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| 14:38.39 | ueber | this should do the trick: chkconfig --add myscript |
| 14:39.29 | jhutchins | ueber: Is chkconfig installed by default now? It wasn't on earlier releases. |
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| 14:40.52 | ueber | jhutchins: it seems so |
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| 14:59.00 | HectorTrope | hi |
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| 15:23.13 | Voyage | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.45 | mtn | !kubuntu |
| 15:24.45 | dpkg | kubuntu is probably yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
| 15:24.52 | stiky | heh |
| 15:25.09 | stiky | !debconf |
| 15:25.09 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 15:25.12 | stiky | nice... |
| 15:25.57 | at0m | stiky: also /msg dpkg $factoid |
| 15:26.31 | Voyage | log at bottom http://pastie.org/10381822 |
| 15:26.40 | at0m | dpkg: tell stiky about help |
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| 15:26.55 | mtn | Voyage, you are on the wrong channel. read up above ;) |
| 15:27.00 | at0m | eheh, totally different from /msg dpkg help |
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| 15:27.16 | Voyage | mtn, ya but this works almost same in all places |
| 15:27.41 | wallbroken | what is "dbus" ? |
| 15:27.44 | mtn | Voyage, not supported in this channel. easy to understand, no? |
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| 15:28.09 | stiky | thx at0m |
| 15:28.16 | stiky | brb |
| 15:28.16 | STMelon | Voyage, please got #kubuntu they can assist you there, thx |
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| 15:28.46 | at0m | dpkg: tell wallbroken about dbus |
| 15:28.54 | themill | wallbroken: Perhaps you'd like to ask a more specific question that's raised after reading first few hits on googling that |
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| 15:29.37 | wallbroken | themill, i have some problem with network-manager related to dbus, and i'm trying to solve it by myself |
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| 15:30.19 | themill | that's great |
| 15:33.00 | BadCodSmell | The debian netinst doesn't let me use grub-pc |
| 15:33.06 | BadCodSmell | ... /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!. |
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| 15:33.16 | BadCodSmell | How can I tell it to just use a normal traditional scheme? |
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| 15:34.08 | jelly | BadCodSmell: do you have an OS or data already in place |
| 15:34.46 | ezra-s | BadCodSmell: you need to create a partition table for mbr instead of gpt |
| 15:35.03 | BadCodSmell | jelly: I need to actually just do what it used to do with wheezy/squeeze |
| 15:35.17 | BadCodSmell | IE make a boot partition, etc |
| 15:35.24 | BadCodSmell | and not mess around with efi |
| 15:36.06 | mtn | BadCodSmell, set bios to legacy instead of uefi? |
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| 15:39.39 | BadCodSmell | mtn can I not just put an option somewhere? |
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| 15:40.03 | BadCodSmell | To override whatever debian does |
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| 15:41.15 | mtn | BadCodSmell, nope, it is a function of the bios as to whether the old way or the new way |
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| 15:46.26 | pjb` | I rebooted my newly upgraded to debian 8 system and now there' no sound anymore thanks to the FUCKING pulseaudio. How can I install mplayer2 without the FUCKING pulseaudio that has NEVER worked well? |
| 15:47.30 | centrx | pjb`, I would recommend using 'mpv' |
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| 15:47.46 | centrx | pjb`, The mplayer2 appears to require the pulse library, but not 'pulseaudio' itself |
| 15:47.56 | jelly | pjb`: would you care for an offer of "making pulseaudio actually work" |
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| 15:48.19 | pjb` | jelly: No. Pulseaudio is just wrong. |
| 15:48.34 | mtn | heh |
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| 15:48.40 | knivsta | hey guys I have Debian on my system ; I installed it with FDE and strong root password and strong Disk encryption password, but weak User password |
| 15:48.40 | pjb` | How old is it? ten years? it has never worked. On ANY distribution! |
| 15:48.49 | jelly | pjb`: alright, I won't interfere with your issue then. |
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| 15:49.04 | themill | I |
| 15:49.07 | pjb` | I will rather install LFS. |
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| 15:49.13 | knivsta | the problem is I did not do SUDO for the user I use, and I root to install applications by typing su and then I do update/upgrade or install apps and exit |
| 15:49.19 | knivsta | is it right way to do it? is it secure? |
| 15:49.24 | themill | I'll leave you to tell that to my machines on which it's working just fine then. |
| 15:49.26 | knivsta | or am I don't something wrong? |
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| 15:49.49 | jelly | knivsta: running installation command under "su" is just fine. |
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| 15:50.27 | knivsta | jelly, I am saying I don't have SUDO for user, so I do all the update/upgrade/installation from official repo using under su only |
| 15:50.30 | knivsta | is it safe? |
| 15:50.35 | jelly | knivsta: yes. |
| 15:50.36 | knivsta | or should I just use SUDO ? |
| 15:50.52 | knivsta | jelly, what would be the benefits if I use sudo? |
| 15:51.09 | jelly | knivsta: how many users and admins are there on your machine? |
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| 15:51.24 | knivsta | I don't want a strong password for the user since the laptop's lock is tight and I need an easy password for myself to open it |
| 15:51.38 | knivsta | jelly, only me - I am user and Admin |
| 15:51.50 | jelly | knivsta: then I see no benefit in using sudo |
| 15:52.08 | knivsta | what would be the benefits if there were 20 users? |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | sudo is good for giving access to specific commands for specific users |
| 15:52.12 | knivsta | sudo is not su? |
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| 15:52.20 | knivsta | sudo is not su but su? |
| 15:52.26 | jelly | ? |
| 15:52.30 | knivsta | oh, sudo is limited su? |
| 15:52.50 | mz|` | depends how you configure it for your specific user, group, and programs |
| 15:52.57 | knivsta | ok |
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| 15:54.24 | BadCodSmell | The only way is to boot the usb as normal |
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| 15:54.33 | BadCodSmell | An option should be provided instead |
| 15:54.38 | BadCodSmell | makes installation less of a headache |
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| 15:55.20 | themill | BadCodSmell: how you boot is a choice for your bios -- this is all done before the installer has a chance to run any code |
| 15:55.57 | jelly | BadCodSmell: sorry, did you answer "do you have an OS or data already in place", if you did I missed it |
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| 15:56.59 | jelly | BadCodSmell: because if you don't, you can reformat the disk to avoid that warning |
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| 15:59.41 | jwd | !java |
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| 15:59.42 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:06.41 | Cryp71c | I'm likely to have a string of questions regarding services, upstart, and bash scripting...is this the appropriate place for most of those questions? or is there a better channel? |
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| 16:08.16 | Brigo | Cryp71c, for bash try #bash channle, for upstart i would try #ubuntu, what do you mean with services? |
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| 16:09.23 | markybob | well there is an #upstart |
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| 16:14.04 | Cryp71c | Brigo, I imagine messing with the stuff in init.d, that you can check on with `service --status-all` and whatnot. |
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| 16:15.44 | Brigo | Cryp71c, i don't know where you can find help about systemvinit scripts (those services). They are quite simple, try to ask google. |
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| 16:17.42 | Cryp71c | hrm, k |
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| 16:20.53 | sam-lap | on debian install i need to download all the dvd's /cds ? |
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| 16:21.17 | centrx | sam-lap, you only need the first one to perform the installation |
| 16:21.31 | centrx | sam-lap, You can also use netinstall which is smaller |
| 16:21.39 | centrx | sam-lap, In both cases, any additional packages will be downloaded from the Internet |
| 16:21.47 | sam-lap | netinstall will work on a machine w/o internet ? |
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| 16:22.14 | sam-lap | i just have internet on that machine after install the system and configured the interfaces |
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| 16:22.33 | sam-lap | best way is to use the cd 1 right ? |
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| 16:22.44 | centrx | sam-lap, If there are networking issues, sure |
| 16:23.17 | khaije1 | is there a way to cache an ssh password (not a key but a password) so that it can be used for login across several targets? |
| 16:23.29 | sam-lap | ok thanks centrx |
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| 16:27.13 | markybob | khaije1, for some stupid reason, yes. apt-get install sshpass |
| 16:27.15 | jhutchins | khaije1: No. |
| 16:27.25 | jhutchins | markybob: Ok, yes then. |
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| 16:29.34 | sam-lap | centrx one more thing, what are the other discs for ? |
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| 16:31.16 | centrx | sam-lap, They have additional software. So if the machine does not have any Internet access, then you would want all CDs if you want to be able to install all Debian software in the release. |
| 16:31.43 | centrx | sam-lap, But only the first CD is necessary to perform the installation, and it has the most popular software. |
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| 16:32.15 | sam-lap | ok |
| 16:32.18 | sam-lap | thank you |
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| 16:39.29 | khaije1 | markybob: jhutchins: ok thanks... couldn't remember the name. You're concious is clear, I'm not going to make use of it. :) |
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| 16:42.51 | sam-lap | centrx i've installed it by cdrom |
| 16:42.58 | sam-lap | now how can i add repositories ? |
| 16:43.07 | sam-lap | machine already have internet |
| 16:43.34 | centrx | sam-lap, edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use one of the apt front-ends |
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| 16:44.00 | sam-lap | how i can know the url ? |
| 16:44.12 | centrx | sam-lap, What repositories do you want to add? |
| 16:44.17 | centrx | !sources |
| 16:44.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:44.30 | sam-lap | ok |
| 16:44.30 | centrx | sam-lap, ^ |
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| 17:00.34 | jhutchins | !lts |
| 17:00.34 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:04.26 | jhutchins | ,v nagios-nrpe-server |
| 17:04.27 | judd | Package: nagios-nrpe-server on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.12-4; squeeze-backports: 2.13-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.13-3; stretch: 2.15-1; sid: 2.15-1; jessie: 2.15-1 |
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| 17:13.11 | placko | How do I change display resolution with Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus and Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus? At the moment it is not working. |
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| 17:15.30 | hid3 | Hello. I am getting such messages in dmesg: " kernel: net_ratelimit: 10 callbacks suppressed" |
| 17:15.57 | hid3 | How do i resolve this? As it seems that during the time I get those, my rsync/ssh sessions are having problems... |
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| 17:16.22 | somiaj | placko: that is using old methods for xdisplay. Most graphic cards use XrandR now (man xrandr) and you can modify it with either the xrandr command or with a GUI display setting tool in many desktops |
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| 17:19.06 | placko | somiaj: Thanks, I will RTFM. I was not aware of the changes. |
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| 17:25.19 | CeBe | Hi, can someone give me a hint on how to debug the cause of gnome-shell showing me a sad screen icon after boot? http://stuff.cebe.cc/gnome-error.jpg |
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| 17:25.46 | CeBe | this happens at the point where the login screen should show up |
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| 17:25.56 | xand | CeBe: what does that text say? |
| 17:26.02 | xand | in english |
| 17:26.13 | CeBe | A problem occured, please contact the system administrator ;) |
| 17:26.33 | CeBe | thats me, so... :) |
| 17:26.42 | xand | look at /var/log/messages |
| 17:26.46 | xand | and /var/log/syslog |
| 17:26.51 | somiaj | CeBe: two basic things. 1) bad user configs, one way to test this is to make a new user with a blank $HOME dir, and see if that user can log into gnome3 with out any issues. This just means you have a bad or corrupt config for gnome for your user |
| 17:26.54 | xand | and other recently-updated files in there |
| 17:27.10 | xand | this is happening before you login? |
| 17:27.26 | somiaj | CeBe: the second issue could be the graphic drivers are not loading correctly. You need to use opengl graphic drivers that are compadabile with gnome, for instance fglrx drivers will not work with gnome3 in jessie. |
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| 17:29.00 | CeBe | xand: it happens before login so a new user would not help. |
| 17:29.19 | somiaj | CeBe: what do you mean before login? So the issue is not gnome3 but gdm3? |
| 17:29.29 | CeBe | hm maybe |
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| 17:29.49 | CeBe | it happens after debian has booted up and now I would expect the login screen to show up |
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| 17:29.56 | Filystyn | i need help |
| 17:30.02 | Filystyn | anyone here |
| 17:30.04 | Filystyn | FAST |
| 17:30.06 | CeBe | but instead after waiting for 30sec. it shows this message |
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| 17:30.10 | somiaj | that something went wrong is a very common issue you see when loading gnome (so user config). Usually gdm3 doens't not say it cannot load. When the display manager is broken you just get no graphical login |
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| 17:30.28 | somiaj | CeBe: do you have an autologin set? |
| 17:30.33 | CeBe | somiaj: no |
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| 17:30.36 | Filystyn | how teh hell i can bows a fucking window if it goes out of screen |
| 17:30.40 | CeBe | always need to log iin |
| 17:30.42 | Filystyn | it's fucking too big |
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| 17:30.54 | Filystyn | this is so retarded problem it should never happen on linux |
| 17:31.01 | Filystyn | im feeling like on fucking windows |
| 17:31.01 | jelly | Filystyn: bows? |
| 17:31.06 | CeBe | Filystyn: calmn down and describe your issue in detail please |
| 17:31.07 | Filystyn | brows/look at it |
| 17:31.26 | somiaj | Filystyn: what your language. |
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| 17:31.36 | Filystyn | i can't look at bottom of window because it's out of screen |
| 17:31.42 | Filystyn | and i can't pull it up |
| 17:31.52 | somiaj | Filystyn: what window (program)? What window manager or desktop? |
| 17:31.52 | xand | hold Alt and click and drag the window |
| 17:31.55 | CeBe | somiaj, xand: there does not seem to be anything useful in syslog and message about this... only messages from kernel and things about wlan connection. |
| 17:31.57 | jelly | Filystyn: which wm are you using? Pastepic a screenshot |
| 17:32.04 | Filystyn | ok sec |
| 17:32.09 | xand | (inside the window) |
| 17:32.14 | RoyK | Filystyn: alt+space may open the top-left menu |
| 17:32.15 | Filystyn | i had this problem befor but let me post an example |
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| 17:32.47 | RoyK | (depending on wm, of course) |
| 17:32.48 | jelly | Filystyn: I mean... if you're not having the issue right now how is it possibly "need help FAST" |
| 17:32.48 | somiaj | CeBe: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be where errors about xorg would show up. Again it seems strange that this is your display manager and not gnome3 giving you that error. But I don't use either so maybe gdm3 likes to give the 'something is wrong' error without giving much info. |
| 17:33.18 | Filystyn | i cant get down to bottom http://postimg.org/image/eufzmz5l9/ |
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| 17:33.57 | Filystyn | i remember i once managed to go down with page down but here it does not work this happens in all sorts of programs |
| 17:34.06 | Filystyn | i blame fuckin qt |
| 17:34.09 | RoyK | Filystyn: alt+tab to the window and try alt+space |
| 17:34.44 | jelly | wonders where the maximize button went on that modal window |
| 17:34.58 | xand | hold Alt and drag anywhere on the window with left mouse button |
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| 17:35.05 | Filystyn | WORKED |
| 17:35.11 | Filystyn | my God thank you |
| 17:35.14 | Filystyn | so much |
| 17:35.15 | jelly | Filystyn: what worked? |
| 17:35.20 | Filystyn | press alt and drag |
| 17:35.38 | jelly | Filystyn: this looks like gnome... are you using gnome? |
| 17:35.41 | RoyK | Filystyn: I don't think any god was involved ;) |
| 17:35.41 | Filystyn | it was tenth time i had this issue. |
| 17:35.46 | Filystyn | yes im on gnome |
| 17:35.50 | xand | you can also resize windows with alt and right-click-drag near the edge/corner |
| 17:36.02 | xand | RoyK: I smight you, mortal! |
| 17:36.39 | jelly | blames hardware vendors for going back from 1280x800 to 1366x768 on laptops |
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| 17:37.29 | jelly | also, blame gnome for eating up the precious vertical space with not one, but two panels |
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| 17:38.00 | Filystyn | it's not a problem it eats some memory etc. I do not need good computer and i do not need fast computer. |
| 17:38.23 | jelly | yeah, but panels could easily be on the side instead of top and bottom |
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| 17:38.55 | jelly | (even Unity does better in this regard) |
| 17:39.12 | Filystyn | this is not super important ;-) |
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| 17:54.34 | CeBe | somiaj, xand: turned out my disk was full so gdm3 or whatever was starting the login screen was stopped by that. without any error message though.. Thanks for your help! |
| 17:54.39 | xand | oh.... |
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| 18:12.31 | mgcleveland | hello all, i'm having trouble getting wifi set up on jessie and haven't had much luck with tutorials. Is there a canonical tutorial for setting this up? |
| 18:12.47 | cosmo | you on a lenovo? |
| 18:12.58 | mgcleveland | dell |
| 18:13.07 | mgcleveland | intell 7260 (rev 73) adapter |
| 18:13.17 | cosmo | hm, i'm on a thinkpad and had the same problem |
| 18:13.24 | bald_bohemian | mgcleveland have you activated the non-free aspects of the repos? |
| 18:13.24 | mgcleveland | did you resolve it? |
| 18:13.29 | mgcleveland | bald_bohemian: yes i have |
| 18:13.39 | mgcleveland | just one repo, though |
| 18:13.41 | cosmo | ^ yeah, had to add non-free into the sources.list file |
| 18:13.56 | mgcleveland | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 18:13.58 | mgcleveland | that one |
| 18:14.04 | bald_bohemian | okay, if you search for wifi and install the wireless driver that should solve the issue |
| 18:14.16 | cosmo | sources.list is @ /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:14.54 | mgcleveland | ok cool, thanks |
| 18:15.07 | mgcleveland | i'll do that the logout/login and see if we're in bussiness |
| 18:15.10 | mgcleveland | thanks y'all |
| 18:15.17 | cosmo | gl :) |
| 18:15.20 | mgcleveland | thanks |
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| 18:15.32 | bald_bohemian | if you aren't able to find it, then add the contrib and non-free to the other lines untill you can find it |
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| 18:16.51 | bald_bohemian | welcome |
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| 18:19.26 | cosmo | to zombocom |
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| 18:21.18 | magyar | hi, is there a way to remove from systemd an un-installed service? |
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| 18:30.01 | Patero-ng | I need help |
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| 18:30.55 | Patero-ng | I have a stick with debian that can't load from my laptop but it does load from my desktop, recently I installed debian on another usb stick but the live version and it was able to load from the laptop, so question is how did it do that? |
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| 18:32.07 | jelly | cosmo: the unattainable is unknown... at zombo.com! |
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| 18:33.20 | cosmo | Patero-ng, you can't load it from the laptop BIOS boot menu? |
| 18:33.51 | Patero-ng | no option from the bios help |
| 18:34.26 | Patero-ng | I enabled and disabled pre boot usb 3 on and off but the sane |
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| 18:34.51 | cosmo | not sure what your problem is |
| 18:35.23 | cosmo | you entered BIOS menu and changed allowable boot media to USB? |
| 18:35.45 | Patero-ng | I was thinking rebuilding the kernel with the orion driver which is for usb3 but I dont know how |
| 18:36.13 | Patero-ng | yes I can load debian from the laptop when is live not when is installed |
| 18:36.21 | Patero-ng | 2 difffreent sticks |
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| 18:44.10 | millican | I'm trying to mount a new USB hard drive for a backup but can't mount it because of the filetype. -t auto doesn't work. fdisk -l shows the "System" to be just "Linux". Did I format the drive incorrectly? |
| 18:46.12 | Patero-ng | the system of the new HD? |
| 18:46.20 | millican | yes |
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| 18:46.44 | millican | I assume fdisk uses this to show the type of filesystem for the drive |
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| 18:47.16 | greycat | The "file system" label in fdisk is not used to determine the real file system type when mounting. |
| 18:47.42 | greycat | Instead, it just reads the first few bytes of the partition and determines what file system is there. |
| 18:48.09 | greycat | The labels in fdisk are basically vestigial. |
| 18:48.10 | millican | Well heck. it's already mounted on the Desktop when I start X |
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| 18:48.49 | millican | I guess I can start x before making backups. |
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| 18:49.27 | RoyK | millican: is this only to be used with linux? |
| 18:49.49 | millican | Yes. |
| 18:49.52 | RoyK | millican: if so, it's probably formatted with FAT or something - better put ext4 or xfs on it |
| 18:50.14 | millican | I ran mkfs.ext4 on it |
| 18:50.17 | RoyK | ah |
| 18:50.28 | fennesz | Hello ! is there a way I can sort files in nautilus with special characters like underscores first in nautilus ? |
| 18:50.43 | RoyK | millican: run tune2fs -c0 -i0 -m.1 too |
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| 18:53.46 | millican | Bad magic number in superblock ... Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
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| 18:54.40 | greycat | has no idea what RoyK's options do and would have to look them up before typing that |
| 18:55.26 | koollman | -c : number of mounts before fsck. -i : number of days before fsck. -m : percentage of space reserved for root |
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| 18:55.44 | RoyK | greycat: man tune2fsck |
| 18:55.50 | RoyK | greycat: man tune2fs |
| 18:56.05 | koollman | so, disable automatic fsck after some number of mount/days, and reduce hugely the space reserved for root (from a default 5%) |
| 18:56.06 | greycat | Yes, I know where to look them up... |
| 18:56.32 | RoyK | greycat: -c0 and -i0 stops fsck from running at intervals since that's not really needed for ext4, -m.1 sets reserved space for root to .1% |
| 18:56.55 | RoyK | instead of 5% as is normal, and rather not needed for most filesystems |
| 18:56.58 | koollman | of course, maybe -c is really 'clear storage', -i is 'initialize' and -m is 'mark for removal'. check your doc ;) |
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| 18:57.29 | RoyK | koollman: thank you very much, I won't bother you again |
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| 18:58.20 | jelly | RoyK: I wonder when -m started accepting floating point |
| 18:58.48 | RoyK | jelly: some years back |
| 18:58.50 | koollman | probably someone noticed that 1 percent of 4TB is still pretty big :) |
| 18:59.21 | RoyK | koollman++ |
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| 19:09.50 | millican | I can't believe that. I forgot the "1" and was trying to mount "/dev/sdd" instead of "/dev/sdd1". |
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| 19:14.03 | RoyK | millican: doesn't usually work too well ;) |
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| 19:20.14 | millican | I think I'll take a break. Thanks guys for your help. |
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| 19:34.30 | Devastator | I need to do a simple loopback test on a serial port, does minicom have auto echo or something? are there other programs I could use? |
| 19:34.57 | korhojoa | hey guys. so I tried to upgrade my old 6.0.6 system to 8.1, I first did a dist-upgrade to newest squeeze, then to wheezy, but now when going to jessie, it decided to stop with udev |
| 19:35.30 | korhojoa | so now i'm with a system that doesn't have any initramfs tools installed, and it won't for that reason let me install a newer kernel |
| 19:35.31 | koollman | korhojoa: did you reboot between these upgrades? |
| 19:35.42 | korhojoa | no :D |
| 19:36.21 | koollman | so. First : you should have read the documentation :) |
| 19:36.39 | koollman | now you have to find a way to trick or force apt to get you a decent kernel with recent udev support |
| 19:37.02 | korhojoa | yeah, probably. it's just complacency when just regular update; dist-upgrade has worked so well for such a long time |
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| 19:37.06 | koollman | I would try first to use wheezy sources.list ... but it's going to be difficult anyway |
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| 19:37.16 | korhojoa | i didn't get any prompts to reboot though |
| 19:37.22 | koollman | yeah but replacing kernels do require reboots |
| 19:37.46 | korhojoa | and the docs i read told me that there wasn't any necessary reboots unless you're prompted to do so after a kernel replacement |
| 19:37.47 | koollman | If I remember well, there's one prompt right after udev upgrade telling you that you should reboot really soon |
| 19:37.58 | korhojoa | the thing is, it isn't upgrading udev due to the kernel being old |
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| 19:38.23 | korhojoa | Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev. |
| 19:38.54 | korhojoa | this is the warning i got, but only after it had already unconfigured important things :D |
| 19:39.39 | somiaj | are you sure it is 6.0.6? Squeeze was already running udev and didn't require anything fancy, but here |
| 19:39.47 | somiaj | !tell korhojoa about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:39.52 | somiaj | !tell korhoja about wheezy->jessie |
| 19:39.57 | somiaj | make sure to read the release notes in both cases |
| 19:40.05 | korhojoa | 6.0.6 is what the /etc/debian_version read |
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| 19:40.57 | korhojoa | it now reads 6.0.10 |
| 19:41.11 | somiaj | korhojoa: yea that is squeeze. Again read over the squeeze->wheezy upgrade, but I didn't recall much of an issue with udev on that upgrade (the lenny->squeeze was quite an upgrade due to adding udev) |
| 19:41.25 | somiaj | korhojoa: is this happen to be on a VPS that shares the host kenrel like openVZ or something like that? |
| 19:41.32 | greycat | If you are running squeeze *with a Debian kernel* things should probably just work. |
| 19:41.39 | Uller | How do I turn off journaling in debian? I am using JFS now |
| 19:41.45 | greycat | If you're not using a Debian kernel, then you need to be smarter than I am. |
| 19:41.48 | korhojoa | no, it's a laptop running Linux 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 19:41.58 | koollman | korhojoa: if it reads 6.0.10, you haven't finished upgrading to wheezy yet |
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| 19:42.12 | korhojoa | greycat: ! dang man, i remember you from like <2001 |
| 19:42.12 | somiaj | Uller: are you talking about a filesystem journaling? This would depend on the file system, look up the tools for the file system you are using. for ext2/3/4 man tune2fs |
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| 19:42.39 | somiaj | korhojoa: read those factoids I sent you. Provided you have stock debian packages the squeeze->wheezy upgrade I dind't think had any strange things you needed to do. |
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| 19:44.40 | korhojoa | koollman: yeah, that's what I find strange, since the dist-upgrade went fine. i didn't think to check after it completed. |
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| 19:45.17 | koollman | whenever I do multistep upgrades, I reboot and check everything for each 'step' |
| 19:45.50 | koollman | (and nowadays, I start by a reboot. helps catching any complication already there that may trip you later) |
| 19:45.59 | korhojoa | I've never had to before, so this is new to me. I guess I just really got complacent that stuff just 'works'. This does say something about debian though, that the only time this has failed is on a pretty old system. |
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| 19:46.35 | somiaj | with old systems you just need to make sure you follow the old instructions for the version you are on and not skip a release |
| 19:47.09 | DammitJim | what do I need to do for log files to create a new one every day |
| 19:47.21 | DammitJim | I have logrotate.conf set to daily |
| 19:47.35 | DammitJim | but for local2.log, it doesn't do a new log every day |
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| 19:47.48 | korhojoa | somiaj: yes. from now on, i will. heh. |
| 19:48.37 | korhojoa | btw, anyone know if i can stick on 2.6, does debian have anything like 2.6.39 onwards somewhere? |
| 19:48.42 | somiaj | DammitJim: do you have logrotate configure to edit that log? |
| 19:48.45 | korhojoa | or do i need to build that myself? |
| 19:48.53 | somiaj | korhojoa: why do you want to stick on 2.6? |
| 19:48.57 | DammitJim | I don't have a section for /var/log/debug, no |
| 19:49.12 | DammitJim | I'm sorry, I meant debug log, not local2 |
| 19:49.16 | somiaj | korhojoa: you realize the differnce between 2.6.39 and 3.0 is very small, the numbers change but not the standard development level. |
| 19:49.21 | DammitJim | local2 actually rotates daily as instructed |
| 19:49.24 | korhojoa | well, I tried 3.2 on the machine and it doesn't find the ata controller |
| 19:49.49 | koollman | korhojoa: that's rather strange. What controller is it ? |
| 19:50.01 | DammitJim | also, the messages log |
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| 19:50.18 | DammitJim | somiaj, are you suggesting I create an entry for the debug log? |
| 19:50.41 | korhojoa | koollman: https://paste.debian.net/309514/ |
| 19:51.14 | korhojoa | so apparently piix4 ? |
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| 19:51.39 | somiaj | DammitJim: I belive you have to create an entry for each subdirectory of /var/log, either in logrotate.conf or as a file in /etc/logrotate.conf.d/ which might already have a file there for the log and is configured different than your dialy desire. |
| 19:51.39 | koollman | yes |
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| 19:52.08 | koollman | korhojoa: it is possible that disk naming has changed (so the root= argument to the kernel may be wrong) |
| 19:52.10 | DammitJim | oh, maybe there is something under logrotate.conf.d |
| 19:52.11 | DammitJim | let me look |
| 19:52.28 | RoyK | Engineer: erm... Engineer? logging into irc as root? |
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| 19:52.48 | koollman | trust him. he's an engineer :) |
| 19:52.49 | somiaj | koollman: probabaly correct there, I think many things are over scsi now so hds are more likely /dev/sda as opposed to /dev/hdc in the past. |
| 19:53.00 | koollman | yep |
| 19:53.10 | somiaj | RoyK: you could !tell Engineer about root, but he won't be able to talk in here |
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| 19:53.53 | korhojoa | koollman: hmm. how do i figure out what it has changed to? |
| 19:53.53 | jhutchins | somiaj: Actually, I think when they merged ATA/IDE into the SCSI drivers that eliminated the "hd". |
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| 19:54.07 | boubou | hey all |
| 19:54.34 | boubou | since I updsate my OS, I cant see a shutdown banner when I do shutdown or reboot or poweroff |
| 19:54.36 | koollman | korhojoa: you can use grub to look around. or do a guess. it's probably /dev/sda, or sdb, or sdc. :) |
| 19:54.37 | boubou | WHY ? |
| 19:54.39 | somiaj | jhutchins: I knew it happend sometime, I also knew for a while ATA controllers were hit an miss, some were still being called /dev/hdX and others /dev/sdX, nice to have that all be in the past. |
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| 19:54.46 | korhojoa | koollman: /proc/partitions says only sda currently anyway? |
| 19:54.48 | RoyK | somiaj: a block on rootish folk? ;) |
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| 19:55.03 | somiaj | RoyK: up, the user 'root' is quited in #debian |
| 19:55.09 | boubou | since I update my OS, I cant see a shutdown banner when I do shutdown or reboot or poweroff |
| 19:55.11 | boubou | WHY ? |
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| 19:55.28 | RoyK | somiaj: quieted ;) |
| 19:55.31 | korhojoa | somiaj: i remember that logging in with root username on freenode was blocked |
| 19:55.40 | jhutchins | somiaj: Now we have all the new interface names for network adapters. |
| 19:55.50 | DammitJim | somiaj, thanks man... there was an entry for rsyslog where it mentioned debug log but nothing was defined |
| 19:55.56 | DammitJim | I just edited it... do I need to restart something? |
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| 19:56.20 | korhojoa | jhutchins: the pci-slot-based things? how do they work with usb/firewire/whatever-bussed adapters? |
| 19:56.20 | jhutchins | boubou: We don't know, we don't know why you were seeing a "shutdown banner" before, or what a "shutdown banner" is. |
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| 19:56.21 | greycat | I think there've been times when root@* was silenced on this channel. I don't know what the current state is. |
| 19:57.15 | somiaj | DammitJim: Unsure, I don't mess with logrotate, but I would assume you may want to restart the daemon just to be safe. |
| 19:57.35 | korhojoa | does anyone know what http.debian.net-mirror's problem is? i never get a fast mirror with that, always have to manually set one to get above ~100kB/s? |
| 19:58.00 | DammitJim | weird... I don't see a daemon for logrotate... just rsyslog |
| 19:58.01 | jhutchins | DammitJim: logrotate reads the conf file at runtime, defined by cron. It's not a daemon. |
| 19:58.12 | DammitJim | thanks jhutchins ! |
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| 19:58.27 | somiaj | korhojoa: it doens't pick a mirror based on what would be the fastest, it picks one based off of geoip. Depending on location you may find faster mirrors further away, and so on. |
| 19:58.49 | somiaj | oh yea it is cron that runs logrotate....(: |
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| 19:59.02 | korhojoa | there might be some issues with that geoip database, considering i keep getting mirrors ~1500km away |
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| 19:59.46 | jhutchins | korhojoa: Physical location doesn't mean much on the 'net, it's network topology. |
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| 20:00.31 | somiaj | korhojoa: note besides http.debian.net finding you a 'close' mirror, what ever that may mean, it also has some health check and shouldn't send you to a unhealthy mirror. |
| 20:00.38 | jhutchins | I think it was Mandrake where the mirror in Swizerland was fastest from the middle of the US. |
| 20:00.41 | korhojoa | I know, but there are mirrors <10 km away with literally 100x speed :| |
| 20:00.57 | greycat | Then choose one of those. |
| 20:01.23 | somiaj | korhojoa: then use that mirror, again http.debian.net is a reidector of some sorts, it may not always pick what is best for you. But it will pick an healthy mirror. |
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| 20:01.34 | korhojoa | I did. I was just wondering why that was acting strangely, when it has worked before |
| 20:01.58 | jhutchins | korhojoa: It also tries to balance the requests so that it doesn't overload one server with all the requests. |
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| 20:02.38 | ctmjr | DammitJim: you can force logrotate to run and see if your changes are valid logrotate --debug --force /etc/logrotate.d/name |
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| 20:05.18 | xantipos | I like how the Debian/Hurd language selection is "C" or "english" |
| 20:05.59 | koollman | they have users not speaking C natively ? ;) |
| 20:06.15 | RoyK | xantipos: https://xkcd.com/1508/ :D |
| 20:06.34 | koollman | isn't hurd the kernel with more devs than users? |
| 20:06.39 | greycat | "C" is the name of the traditional US-English ASCII locale. |
| 20:06.46 | greycat | It can also be spelled "POSIX". |
| 20:06.51 | koollman | (I know. but still :) ) |
| 20:07.04 | xantipos | interesting |
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| 20:09.53 | korhojoa | heyoo~~~ so far, just putting in old sources.list seems to have worked. i'm now able to update my kernel! wish me luck with that. |
| 20:11.03 | Amun_Ra | RoyK: :D |
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| 20:11.37 | Amun_Ra | http://rms.sexy/ |
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| 20:13.48 | korhojoa | Amun_Ra: what happened to stallman, he switched away from thinkpads? |
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| 20:14.10 | rainfyre | a long time ago |
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| 20:18.29 | linuxthefish | how do i choose which kernel to boot, I can't understand /etc/grub.d/10_linux :( |
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| 20:18.56 | daviid | i'm trying to find the source code for an old package, guile-db |
| 20:19.01 | greycat | When grub runs (at boot time) it prints a menu of choices, and you arrow up or down to select one. |
| 20:19.08 | itt788 | so here i am |
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| 20:19.12 | daviid | i found its debian here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/guile-db |
| 20:19.51 | daviid | but the real source code, how can I get that? |
| 20:20.15 | daviid | like where was it git/svn/ or what ever maintained? |
| 20:20.32 | greycat | daviid: you mean the upstream source? It should be shown in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGENAME/copyright |
| 20:20.33 | daviid | I did duckduckgo but so far not good :) |
| 20:20.34 | somiaj | daviid: debian provides a copy of all the source code of any package it uses (but maybe not the upstream version) |
| 20:20.42 | greycat | daviid: but also see "/msg dpkg source" |
| 20:20.59 | somiaj | daviid: but if you look on the right colum of that page you should see there are links to the source code, or you can add a deb-src line to your sources.list |
| 20:21.03 | daviid | but it's an old and my distro says unavailable [i tried apt-get source |
| 20:21.15 | greycat | "your distro"? |
| 20:21.23 | somiaj | daviid: what is 'your distro'? and do you have a deb-src line? |
| 20:21.25 | daviid | i mean debian testing |
| 20:21.40 | daviid | i ment my deb version won't let me get it |
| 20:21.42 | somiaj | if it is no longer in testing you have to get the source from the wheezy repo, but there is a link on that page you posted. |
| 20:21.57 | somiaj | sometimes the source is in sid, despite it is not in testing, check the QA page for info on that |
| 20:22.27 | daviid | i think it's not, but also looking for the original source, not the debian prepard, maybe] |
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| 20:23.30 | greycat | daviid: the thing that has, like, "orig.tar.gz" in its name will be the upstream source code. |
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| 20:23.58 | daviid | greycat: ah ok |
| 20:25.00 | daviid | what about the diff.gz ? doi i have to apply these diff to get that latest, using the ori... ? |
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| 20:25.25 | greycat | diff.gz is the set of changes that Debian makes to the upstream source |
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| 20:26.40 | daviid | ok, I see diff are important in this case |
| 20:27.18 | daviid | but I got my answers, many thanks all |
| 20:27.55 | somiaj | daviid: correct, debian provides the unmodified source code and a set of patches for any thing debian does to the code |
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| 20:28.29 | guest-erin | hi peeps |
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| 20:28.46 | guest-erin | i am trying to install steam on debian jessie, and its wanting me to install aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
| 20:29.15 | guest-erin | when i try to do that it wants me to install the current nvidia drivers, but i am using the legacy ones.. am i screwed on using steam?? |
| 20:29.20 | somiaj | guest-erin: are you using the steam package provided in debian non-free? |
| 20:29.20 | greycat | guest-erin: if you installed amd64, you have to set up multiarch first. |
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| 20:29.51 | somiaj | oh you have legacy packages, install the legacy version of the libary it wants manually, if that doens't satsifiy the depends it might be worth reporting a bug. |
| 20:29.59 | somiaj | (not that it would get fixed in jessie). |
| 20:31.24 | guest-erin | https://paste.debian.net/309521/ |
| 20:31.35 | guest-erin | ok whats the name |
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| 20:31.47 | guest-erin | yeah its the one in non-free |
| 20:32.04 | guest-erin | i did setup multi-arch |
| 20:32.10 | somiaj | guest-erin: lets take a step back. Where are you installing steam from? |
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| 20:32.18 | somiaj | guest-erin: i.e. how are you trying to install steam? |
| 20:32.40 | guest-erin | aptitude install steam |
| 20:32.43 | guest-erin | how else? |
| 20:32.59 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx |
| 20:33.00 | judd | Package: libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.125-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.125-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 304.125-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 304.125-2; stretch/non-free: 304.125-2 |
| 20:33.09 | somiaj | guest-erin: just making sure you aren't getting a deb from say steam or something like that. |
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| 20:33.34 | somiaj | guest-erin: there are very similar packages for th elegacy version you have, install that package if you are using that legacy driver. |
| 20:33.35 | guest-erin | nope |
| 20:36.26 | guest-erin | installed it |
| 20:36.29 | guest-erin | see if it works right |
| 20:36.48 | guest-erin | worked |
| 20:36.54 | guest-erin | you guys are awesome |
| 20:37.02 | guest-erin | you hard earned a dounut! |
| 20:37.13 | guest-erin | >O>O>O>O |
| 20:38.47 | somiaj | guest-erin: sometimes multiple packages will satsify the dependency, but apt may not always pick the appropriate one so you have to manually tell apt what to do> (: |
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| 20:42.32 | Chocolate_Chip | Icecat isn't in the debian repo and I am wondering why |
| 20:42.47 | Chocolate_Chip | Does it not fit with the debian guidlines? |
| 20:42.52 | somiaj | ,icecat |
| 20:42.54 | somiaj | ,v icecat |
| 20:42.55 | judd | No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64. |
| 20:43.03 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: what is icecat again? |
| 20:43.26 | Chocolate_Chip | Icecat is a firefox fork made by the Free Software Foundation Directly |
| 20:43.47 | Chocolate_Chip | As opposed to Iceweasel, made by you guys |
| 20:44.38 | Chocolate_Chip | https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 20:46.00 | Hydroxide | Chocolate_Chip: my guess is that maintaining one fork of firefox is enough work? :) |
| 20:47.08 | somiaj | and iceweasel isn't really a fork, it is just debraded. |
| 20:47.32 | Chocolate_Chip | ok |
| 20:47.38 | somiaj | does icecat do anything besdies debrand firefox? If it doesn't why would we want both in the repo, they sound like the same thing to me. |
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| 20:48.50 | at0m | somiaj: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/IceCat |
| 20:49.01 | jwd | dpkg icecat |
| 20:49.01 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #637348. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:49.44 | somiaj | oh yea, that makes sense, they better disable any way to add non-free addons (: |
| 20:50.10 | jwd | you can add it if you need. its just not in debian repo |
| 20:51.33 | jwd | keep debian stable is a huge goal |
| 20:52.02 | jwd | debian is not just for users that need some clicky/colored interfaces |
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| 20:52.46 | somiaj | and once you understand how debian manages things you can add a lot to it. Wish more would figure out how to correctly add stuff to debian over downloading random binary .deb and installing |
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| 20:56.07 | jwd | exactly |
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| 20:56.51 | Surgo | Hello everyone. |
| 20:56.58 | jwd | moin |
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| 20:59.20 | jwd | but a isngle computer is no issue at all. if you mess that up you can just start from scratch :P |
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| 21:07.08 | Kathgrar | Hi, I've a Lenovo G50-30 with RTL8723BE WiFi, but I can't use it, because it's hard blocked. I can remove the soft block my pressing the flight icon on my keyboard, but I can't remove the hard block. How can I do this? |
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| 21:10.06 | jwd | tried rfkill? |
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| 21:10.55 | Kathgrar | jwd: Yes, still "hard blocked" |
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| 21:11.50 | jwd | should work if you unload your driver, di rfkill unblock all and load the driver again |
| 21:12.16 | Kathgrar | But then I have to do this at every boot |
| 21:12.32 | Kathgrar | right? |
| 21:12.34 | jwd | script? |
| 21:12.48 | Kathgrar | You're thinking about init.d / systemd ? |
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| 21:13.37 | jwd | yeah or just a handcrafted login script |
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| 21:14.00 | Kathgrar | I never made a init.d script, but I'll try it :) |
| 21:14.26 | jwd | i dont use wifi recently and so i not even know if this way will work for your card. |
| 21:14.32 | F1skr | How can I list all files in a package not installed. apt-file seems to show me any package partly maching the packagename I pass. I only want the files of one package, or nothing. |
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| 21:15.00 | Kathgrar | jwd: It's a RTL8723BE if it helps. |
| 21:15.21 | Kathgrar | with Bluetooth integrated |
| 21:15.22 | jwd | yeah i seen that in your question. |
| 21:15.25 | jhutchins | F1skr: I think you can see them on http://packages.debian.org |
| 21:15.59 | jwd | i had a similar issue with an nodebook some time ago and there it worked |
| 21:16.00 | ezra-s | F1skr: you can use pcre I believe |
| 21:16.02 | markybob | F1skr, just grep it |
| 21:16.10 | ezra-s | I mean, regex |
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| 21:16.22 | Kathgrar | jwd: Good to hear, I'll try it and can send you feedback if wanted :) |
| 21:16.25 | ezra-s | Kathgrar: which package are you looking for? |
| 21:16.25 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: That means that the OS thinks the feature is physically switched off. |
| 21:16.52 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: You can look through dmesg | less and see if it has any complaints about needing firmware. |
| 21:17.01 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: The feature is physically turned on in BIOS, and soft block is removed. |
| 21:17.12 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Does it show up in lspci -nn? If so, post the eight-character PCI ID. |
| 21:17.19 | ezra-s | F1skr: which package are you looking for? |
| 21:17.34 | Kathgrar | ezra-s: mentoined wrong user? ;) |
| 21:17.50 | ezra-s | Kathgrar: yes hehe |
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| 21:18.29 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: I've used the non-free firmware installer 8.1.0, and it worked within the installer. The PCI ID is 10ec:b723 |
| 21:19.10 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10ec:b723 |
| 21:19.11 | judd | [10ec:b723] is 'RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:b723 |
| 21:19.36 | jwd | oh wow something new learned |
| 21:20.13 | jwd | jhutchins is there a list of all the commands? |
| 21:20.26 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:20.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-rc8-686-pae (4.2~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
| 21:20.28 | Kathgrar | Do I really need the link? I currently only have the minimal installation .. |
| 21:20.43 | jwd | and can the info be send to me in private? |
| 21:20.54 | Kathgrar | which info? |
| 21:20.55 | jhutchins | jwd: Not that I know of, I've just learned by watching. Yes, /msg judd <something> |
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| 21:21.20 | jwd | kathgrar i meant the bot info |
| 21:21.27 | Kathgrar | Oh, okay :) |
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| 21:21.47 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: The driver is supposedly available in the >=3.15 kernel, but judd doesn't think it's in sid/jessie. |
| 21:21.53 | F1skr | ezra-s: I'm looking into making a tool that can compare packages across different distros, and I want to see if apt-* is suitable for my needs :) |
| 21:22.12 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: I'm running jessie here, with kernel 3.16 |
| 21:22.28 | ezra-s | F1skr: I just confirmed, you can use regex to filter out the name of specific package, see like: apt-file -x list ^apache2$ |
| 21:22.53 | ezra-s | F1skr: this will show you files from the package called apache2 specifically |
| 21:23.37 | jwd | i get me some rest now. cya around |
| 21:23.47 | Kathgrar | jwd: bye. |
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| 21:24.46 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: So you should have /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8723be/rtl8723be.ko |
| 21:25.01 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: And lsmod should probably show it loaded. |
| 21:25.24 | Kathgrar | Yup. |
| 21:25.28 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: ^ |
| 21:25.57 | F1skr | ezra-s: that's great, thanks! |
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| 21:26.40 | ezra-s | F1skr: :) |
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| 21:28.09 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Possible solution: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/506003-Lenovo-G40-RTL8723be-wireless-disabled-by-hardware-(wifi-and-bluetooth) |
| 21:29.31 | Kathgrar | Can you see me? |
| 21:29.43 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: This is pretty much the same: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139775/activate-deactivate-wifi-on-lenovo-b5400-under-ubuntu-14-04 |
| 21:29.45 | Kathgrar | I've lost my internet for some seconds. |
| 21:29.53 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Still here. |
| 21:29.56 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Possible solution: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/506003-Lenovo-G40-RTL8723be-wireless-disabled-by-hardware-(wifi-and-bluetooth) |
| 21:30.06 | Kathgrar | Thanks, i'll check that. |
| 21:30.16 | jhutchins | I gotta run, good luck! There's more on the interwebs! |
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| 21:30.32 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: You've RTL8723BE too? |
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| 21:31.32 | Atm0spher1c | anyone using stable xserver-xorg-video-intel driver? There is bug #785519 - The xserver crashes at startup. I was doing an unstable install, and had that problem (same version). I reinstalled stable for a second time after problems, and wanted to know if I should avoid it? |
| 21:31.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/785519 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (open, upstream): «xserver-xorg-video-intel: The xserver crashes at startup»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-05-17; last modified: 2015-05-17. |
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| 21:32.52 | Kathgrar | And a second question: How can I enable/use the IPv6 privacy extensions? |
| 21:33.05 | Kathgrar | My IPv6 includes the hardware mac address of eth0 |
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| 21:34.44 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: Those versions are tongue twisters. I can swear that the version with the issue and the version without are the same, so I can't tell which one I have |
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| 21:35.31 | hexnewbie | There should be a moratorium on the use of 2s and 1s in versions |
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| 21:36.18 | Atm0spher1c | hexnewbie: yeah, the guy who reported the bug said "on upgrade from version X to X" x being the same exact version number. |
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| 21:37.03 | hexnewbie | Well, I use that same version, and I have no issue with an inter card. But I can't say anything further than that. :( |
| 21:37.11 | Atm0spher1c | Just trying to figure out if you guys are running the thing and it works. This new machine build has been a pain in the ass, and it's stressing me out. |
| 21:37.15 | Atm0spher1c | hexnewbie: thanks |
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| 21:40.25 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: It's reported as HD Graphics 4600 if that's of any help. Unlike the bug report which doesn't seem to log a card model for some reason. |
| 21:41.10 | Atm0spher1c | yes im using 4600 |
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| 21:42.01 | hexnewbie | In the bug report says that the driver doesn't recognize the chipset, so that may mean the reporter is using a different adapter |
| 21:44.04 | Atm0spher1c | startx command not found? wtf? |
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| 21:44.53 | Atm0spher1c | no matter which route I take, something new. startx comes with the xserver package and all that right? |
| 21:45.30 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: It's in the xinit package, which something should depend on. |
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| 21:46.46 | Atm0spher1c | hexnewbie: thanks I missed that |
| 21:47.24 | Atm0spher1c | trying to avoid some high level metapackages. Which now it seems may be causing me the problems. But xorg -configure finally worked. |
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| 21:48.47 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: I haven't used xorg.conf (or xorg -configure) in ages. Last time I wondered how to do it, I ran xorgconfig, thinking that would work. And I did try xf86config before that... |
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| 21:49.55 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: Take that as a suggestion to try without a config, if you haven't. |
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| 21:51.27 | hexnewbie | Atm0spher1c: Oh, I am stupid. Disregard that. Didn't even know the command did *that* now. :) |
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| 21:53.58 | Atm0spher1c | I read somewhere it might not be needed. But during my sid attempt, startx failed, so I did xorg configure, that failed. Everything went wrong, so I tried as much as possible |
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| 21:55.52 | phale | when I use a browser (i.e iceweasel) to connect to a multiplayer game online, can I send packets through command-line to the browser connection? |
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| 21:57.53 | phale | sort of like, attaching to the proccess? anything for that? |
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| 21:58.50 | Atm0spher1c | phale: you trying to hack bro? :D |
| 21:59.05 | phale | well its not really hacking |
| 21:59.08 | phale | just trying to test packets |
| 22:00.15 | phale | so how can I do this? |
| 22:00.30 | Atm0spher1c | seems like it could be done. A bit complex for a few comments here. You probably don't want to send "through browser" |
| 22:00.36 | Atm0spher1c | use something like wireshark |
| 22:00.42 | phale | i dont think wireshark can send |
| 22:00.48 | Atm0spher1c | to capture |
| 22:00.54 | phale | no no im trying to send packets |
| 22:01.04 | phale | to the connection with the game but on the browser |
| 22:01.08 | phale | to not make a new connection |
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| 22:01.30 | Atm0spher1c | and use google. You're question doesn't really allow for a simple answer. |
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| 22:01.57 | mdim | Hi all! |
| 22:01.58 | Atm0spher1c | python and a lot of other language's you can "send" packets |
| 22:02.27 | mdim | I was interested if someone could help me learn one thing about GNU make, and I assume there would be people in the channel familiar with it |
| 22:02.27 | phale | Atm0spher1c: I tried google |
| 22:02.36 | phale | it gave me unrelated results |
| 22:02.39 | at0m | phale: tcpdump to read, netcat to write? |
| 22:03.04 | phale | at0m: im trying to send packets through an existing connection with the browser to a server |
| 22:03.09 | phale | netcat cant do that i think |
| 22:03.29 | mdim | In particular, I'm looking at the Android source code base. It consists of almost 500 Git repositories, i.e. various modules. Pretty much every of them has a .mk (Makefile) file, but those just depend on other Makefiles, maybe the main Makefile |
| 22:04.04 | mdim | how do I carve out only parts that are of interest to me within one part of Android (in particular Bluetooth)? |
| 22:04.25 | Atm0spher1c | phale: write a plugin |
| 22:04.38 | phale | i dont know how to write plugins |
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| 22:06.05 | phale | anything else I can do? |
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| 22:09.21 | Atm0spher1c | phale: Don't want to seem rude or unhelpful, but read more, study. What you're trying to do sounds like you might need to know how to write code, and do research on how to accomplish the task. It doesn't seem like there is a simple solution for it. |
| 22:09.38 | phale | Atm0spher1c: that sucks, ill try to build a client I guess |
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| 22:10.11 | Atm0spher1c | if google isn't giving you an answer, you might be asking the wrong questions. Might have to figure out the right questions to ask |
| 22:10.13 | cxd13 | Nik05: hey just wanted to tell you the fglrx thing worked the other day. thanks |
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| 22:15.01 | ezra-s | phale: you could also try the #networking channel, very smart people there |
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| 22:15.33 | phale | ezra-s: sure i'll ask them as well |
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| 22:18.52 | e-anima | hi |
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| 22:19.32 | e-anima | i added an EXPORT to my .bashrc so i can call a command from the shell. so i did source .bashrc but the shell still does not know about my EXPORT |
| 22:20.25 | rudi_s | e-anima: EXPORT? What exactly did you export? - export is used to put variables in the environment of sub-processes. |
| 22:20.42 | e-anima | export PATH="$HOME/.composer/vendor/bin:$PATH" |
| 22:20.43 | e-anima | that |
| 22:21.10 | rudi_s | e-anima: That looks fine. Is the file in ~/.composer/vendor/bin executable? |
| 22:21.15 | rudi_s | What does echo $PATH tell you? |
| 22:21.15 | ezra-s | e-anima: you have logged in an out right? |
| 22:21.18 | e-anima | ah i got it |
| 22:21.22 | e-anima | i just typed bash |
| 22:21.22 | rudi_s | ezra-s: There's no need for that. |
| 22:21.26 | ezra-s | emm, in the opposite way hehe |
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| 22:21.39 | rudi_s | ezra-s: ? |
| 22:21.42 | rudi_s | e-anima: ? |
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| 22:21.53 | e-anima | my export wasnt known yet |
| 22:22.02 | ezra-s | rudi_s: he added in .bashrc instead if typing it in the shell |
| 22:22.03 | e-anima | typing "bash" and hitting enter somehow reloaded it |
| 22:22.10 | e-anima | ezra-s yes |
| 22:22.25 | rudi_s | e-anima: Of course. That spawned a new shell (btw. the old is still there, type exit to "see" it). |
| 22:22.33 | ezra-s | running bash is like starting a new session yes |
| 22:22.57 | rudi_s | ezra-s: Depends on what you mean with session. |
| 22:22.58 | e-anima | is there a way to refresh the existing shell somehow? |
| 22:23.37 | ezra-s | rudi_s: yes, I am surely not expressing it perfectly correct, at the very least it will load the new .bashrc variables |
| 22:23.42 | rudi_s | e-anima: Not really. You can use . ~/.bashrc (. is similar to source) to reload the bashrc, but the only safe way is to replace the shell with a new one. The command exec bash does exactly that. |
| 22:23.54 | e-anima | ok. thank you |
| 22:23.55 | rudi_s | ezra-s: True. |
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| 22:38.06 | ryouma | when would i want linux-firmware-nonfree for my "RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]"? |
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| 22:38.26 | ryouma | also, what package is the proprietary driver for this device in? |
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