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| 04:12.37 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 04:12.52 | tite12345 | Is this the most complete Debian image? https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 04:13.13 | tite12345 | This is what I got: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 04:16.23 | jmcnaught | tite12345: well, the first CD/DVD will have all the stuff you need for a standard Debian install, so downloading more than that might be a waste of bandwidth. Most people use the netinst image, which downloads packages from the mirrors during the install |
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| 04:21.00 | nezZario | netinst might end up being more bandwidth, just a realistic warning, since it's easy to end up re-installing multiple times or have the installer bail early on b/c of network setup issues, .. etc |
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| 04:21.27 | nezZario | particularly, I used a RAID setup and my last install, I did three times just "playing around" with different options. |
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| 04:21.55 | nezZario | it wasn't necessary, I could've saved a lot of time (and bandwidth) by doing stuff by hand, but I have virtually unlimited b/w, and wasn't in a rush. :) |
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| 04:22.23 | o0nor3iny0o_ | hello |
| 04:22.24 | jmcnaught | i recommend apt-cacher-ng on a machine on your local network if you install debian a lot |
| 04:23.54 | hypermist | im having trouble booting into live cd |
| 04:24.11 | hypermist | It shows up the selector for selecting live cd. |
| 04:24.25 | hypermist | But the moment i click/hit enter it gets to a black screen with _ flashing in top left |
| 04:24.35 | o0nor3iny0o_ | i hear that the HexChat and Ophcrack can faster all the tools on the new kali linux v2 is this is right or now and if it right how can i use them together please anyone know how to solve it talk to me |
| 04:25.08 | markybob | hypermist, uefi mode in bois. turn it off |
| 04:25.16 | hypermist | markybob, kk |
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| 04:26.04 | tite12345 | jmcnaught: Ah, but have according to the "Securing Debian Manual", it's not a good idea to connect to the Internet even when installation. |
| 04:26.09 | tite12345 | jmcnaught: Have you read that manual? |
| 04:26.11 | markybob | o0nor3iny0o_, no. what does hexchat have to do with ophcrack? |
| 04:26.11 | jmcnaught | o0nor3iny0o_: i'm not sure i understand, but keep in mind that Kali is not supported here, only Debian is. |
| 04:27.14 | tite12345 | And I learned that ext3 one of the best options/partition schemes. |
| 04:27.20 | markybob | !fr |
| 04:27.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 04:27.38 | markybob | tite12345, not in a long time |
| 04:27.50 | tite12345 | markybob: Hmmm |
| 04:27.54 | jmcnaught | tite12345: i have read that manual. some of it is a little out of date. do you have particularly high security requirements or something? I think it's fine to use the netinst, you're goin to connect it to the internet eventually anyways? Also the packages are signed with GPG and verified |
| 04:28.00 | hypermist | can't find uefi in bios markybob |
| 04:28.19 | markybob | hypermist, are you using the live cd or the debian-installer? |
| 04:28.32 | tite12345 | jmcnaught: I am interested in learning security that's why. |
| 04:28.33 | hypermist | Live cd. but you told me to disable uefi in my bios first |
| 04:28.33 | o0nor3iny0o_ | i have a video can explain what i mean and i want some one to help me |
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| 04:29.08 | tite12345 | I'm a security newbie jmcnaught |
| 04:29.24 | markybob | tite12345, ext4...for a long time now. |
| 04:29.47 | tite12345 | jmcnaught: The manual was updated this January though. |
| 04:29.59 | markybob | hypermist, live cd doesn't support it. use the real installer |
| 04:30.16 | hypermist | markybob, how am i meant to do that, when using the debian installer does the same job ? |
| 04:30.23 | markybob | hypermist, it's just easier to go through bios first if it supports it |
| 04:30.27 | jmcnaught | tite12345: that doesn't mean it was completely rewritten, just the last time something in it was changed |
| 04:30.30 | markybob | hypermist, it doesn't |
| 04:30.52 | hypermist | link me to the right iso then please markybob |
| 04:31.35 | markybob | hypermist, okay, which desktop? or server? which platform? |
| 04:31.40 | markybob | or just google |
| 04:31.59 | hypermist | debian mate, if possible and 8 if possible |
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| 04:32.16 | o0nor3iny0o_ | i hear that the HexChat and Ophcrack can faster all the tools on the new kali linux v2 is this is right or now and if it right how can i use them together please anyone know how to solve it talk to me |
| 04:32.17 | markybob | hypermist, processor? |
| 04:32.38 | hypermist | amd turion II p520 |
| 04:33.02 | somiaj | o0nor3iny0o_: you are in the wrong spot, this is #debian, go ask kali linux if that is what you are intersted in (: |
| 04:33.51 | markybob | hypermist, jesus. haven't seen that in forever. this will get you started and you can apt-get the rest http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 04:33.56 | o0nor3iny0o_ | okay i thought some people use the same system here |
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| 04:34.14 | hypermist | its an old ass laptop markybob haha |
| 04:34.28 | hypermist | 6hrs till the iso is downloaded |
| 04:34.29 | hypermist | LOL |
| 04:34.59 | hypermist | oh nope 14hours now |
| 04:35.35 | somiaj | well dvd images are quite big, the cd1 image is smaller and with a decent internet connenction the netinstall image could work. |
| 04:35.59 | hypermist | My network just got a block on it. meaning if device isnt authed it gets kicked haha |
| 04:36.15 | hypermist | markybob, debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-mate-desktop this was the original one i had downloaded |
| 04:37.40 | markybob | hypermist, if your bios doesn't have a compatibility mode in it and (likely) f12 doesn't see it either in a submenu...that's your best bet |
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| 04:38.32 | markybob | hypermist, hell, try f12 |
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| 04:39.19 | hypermist | Im in boot manager now markybob |
| 04:39.34 | markybob | hypermist, but i must depart. almost midnight and i'm exhausted. maybe someone else will jump in |
| 04:39.46 | hypermist | markybob, haha alright. |
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| 04:41.14 | RoyK | hypermist: isdn dialup? |
| 04:41.33 | hypermist | RoyK, crap adsl brother |
| 04:41.33 | hypermist | :) |
| 04:42.15 | RoyK | at least isdn is stable at its 64kbps |
| 04:42.36 | hypermist | This feels like 64kbps |
| 04:42.37 | hypermist | Lol |
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| 04:46.15 | hypermist | http://imgur.com/a/vl3zi is what i see currently using the debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-mate-desktop |
| 04:50.26 | pksadiq | hypermist: are you booting from cd/dvd? or from usb? |
| 04:50.33 | hypermist | usb |
| 04:50.45 | pksadiq | hypermist: how did you made usb bootable? |
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| 04:51.46 | hypermist | rufus |
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| 04:53.08 | pksadiq | hypermist: Hm... Seems like you are on windows. Don't you have access to any GNU/Linux systems? |
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| 04:53.25 | hypermist | nope i have 0 gnu/linux systems |
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| 04:55.08 | somiaj | rufus could be the problem, use win32diskimager |
| 04:55.10 | jmcnaught | hypermist: win32diskimager is the recommended tool for preparing debian images on Windows, some other tools break the image in subtle ways. Also maybe it just takes a while to start and simply doesn't give feedback that it's loading, how long have you tried waiting? |
| 04:55.33 | hypermist | I waited over an hour lastnight lol |
| 04:56.19 | pksadiq | hypermist: When I once tried unetbootin tool, the live booting was not working. But I could go right to the installation process. |
| 04:56.37 | hypermist | both of them dont work haha |
| 04:56.40 | hypermist | the live cd |
| 04:56.41 | hypermist | and the install |
| 04:57.02 | hypermist | i'll try unetbootin first |
| 04:58.33 | somiaj | hypermist: didn't we tell you what program to use |
| 04:58.41 | somiaj | unetbootin is known to break debian images. |
| 04:58.53 | hypermist | I've used unetbootin before |
| 04:59.16 | somiaj | use win32diskimager |
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| 05:01.17 | hypermist | but gettign win32diskimager |
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| 05:02.44 | ANTILGBT | jelly: I URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS DO AS WHAT GOD COMMANDS! |
| 05:03.14 | ANTILGBT | !ops | I URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS DO AS WHAT GOD COMMANDS! |
| 05:03.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: antilgbt complains about: | I URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS DO AS WHAT GOD COMMANDS! |
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| 05:07.35 | hypermist | hmm it looks like win32diskimager has done the same when trying to boot into livecd |
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| 05:12.04 | hypermist | so win32diskimager worked 0% somiaj |
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| 05:16.43 | jmcnaught | hypermist: at the boot menu, does it give you an option to modify the kernel options/parameters/command line? you could try removing "quiet" and see if you get an error message to search the web for |
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| 05:53.33 | shay_shay | wow that !ops thing backfired, lol |
| 05:54.47 | shay_shay | !rufus |
| 05:54.48 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 05:55.04 | shay_shay | !unetbootin |
| 05:55.04 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 05:56.50 | shay_shay | Rufus incidentally is really good at putting windows iso's on USB sticks :) |
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| 08:04.39 | gr8 | when installind midori: Setting up midori (0.4.3+dfsg-0.1) ... rmdir: failed to remove â/etc/xdg/midori/extensions/libadblock.soâ: No such file or directory |
| 08:04.39 | gr8 | 1. why does it try to remove the adblock feature? 2. why does it not exist? |
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| 08:09.36 | humbag | on debian stable xfce, how can i tell my time to update after a system battery failure? |
| 08:10.30 | humbag | i thought it was sudo ntpd -q but no |
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| 08:11.49 | ochiottes | humbag: ntpdate -u -q <ntp-server> |
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| 08:12.32 | Amun_Ra | humbag: or move from ntpd to chrony; it will update time no matter the difference is (when ntpd won't) |
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| 08:13.06 | humbag | ah yes the difference is very large |
| 08:13.41 | Amun_Ra | ntpd barfs in that situation by design |
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| 08:15.19 | humbag | thanks :) |
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| 08:15.51 | Surgo | Hello, any alternatives to wicd for mobile broadband? |
| 08:16.24 | Amun_Ra | network-manager? |
| 08:17.16 | Surgo | I can't install it without breaking my system. |
| 08:17.28 | Surgo | It depends on systemd, which makes my boot-up-times go through the roof. |
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| 08:18.02 | Surgo | Been using sakis3g so far, however that doesn't allow me to use LTE (4G) |
| 08:18.13 | Night_Elf | Amun_Ra: I never heared of chrony before. Just read the apt-cache information about it. So it can be used as a drop-in replacement for ntpd ? |
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| 08:18.41 | Amun_Ra | yes |
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| 08:19.03 | Night_Elf | Sweet. |
| 08:19.16 | Amun_Ra | I found it when I was in similar situation and I didn't like using ntpdate along with ntpd |
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| 08:20.21 | Night_Elf | I will try to replace ntpd for my switches, which are supposed to get the time from a ntp server. And it seems to take forever. |
| 08:20.43 | s4ndm4n | This happened again. Whenever I run 'apt-get update', all goes fine except for this jessie-backports/non-free. I get this line: Err http://httpredir.debian.org jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages |
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| 08:23.27 | valdyn | s4ndm4n: there probably is no non-free backports, not a problem |
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| 08:23.46 | s4ndm4n | valdyn: Are you sure? How do I check? |
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| 08:25.42 | valdyn | s4ndm4n: i looked, its your specific mirror that has no non-free backports it seems |
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| 08:27.00 | s4ndm4n | valdyn: Can you please provide me the link you used? |
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| 08:28.44 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 08:28.45 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.76-5~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.76-5; sid/non-free: 340.76-5; experimental/non-free: 352.30-1 |
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| 08:28.57 | jelly | valdyn: ^^ jessie-backports/non-free |
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| 08:29.38 | jelly | !which hdn |
| 08:29.39 | dpkg | To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 2>&1 | grep Location». You can also look for the Release file or individual .debs if you want. |
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| 08:30.05 | jelly | s4ndm4n: ^^ see which mirror you're actually getting |
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| 08:34.41 | s4ndm4n | jelly: I tried this wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 2>&1 | grep Location |
| 08:35.11 | s4ndm4n | It shows the location but again same thing |
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| 08:37.46 | jelly | s4ndm4n: yeah, but now you can file a bug report against "mirrors" pseudo package and report that mirror is listed in httpredir but doesn't contain some stuff |
| 08:38.08 | jelly | and use a different, explicit mirror in the meantime |
| 08:38.39 | s4ndm4n | I am doing that right now. :) |
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| 08:40.35 | s4ndm4n | Explicit mirror worked for the said repo but now I am getting hashsum mismatch for iceweasel |
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| 08:55.58 | hid3 | Hello. Any ideas how to make 'sed', 'awk' and similar utilities use multiples CPUs instead of one? |
| 08:56.09 | hid3 | Need somehow to make the threads parallel |
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| 09:00.01 | jelly | hid3: if you have multiple input files you work on, it's not hard to use something like xargs -P or GNU parallel |
| 09:00.06 | valdyn | hid3: you mean that you want to split processes in a pipe across multiple cpus? the tools themselves are not multithreaded |
| 09:00.46 | jelly | ,i parallel |
| 09:00.47 | judd | Package parallel (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: build and execute command lines from standard input in parallel. Version: 20130922-1; Size: 189.5k; Installed: 624k; Homepage: https://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ |
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| 09:01.50 | hid3 | well |
| 09:01.58 | hid3 | I have only a single, but huge file to work |
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| 09:02.05 | hid3 | the server has got 4 real CPUs |
| 09:02.23 | valdyn | hid3: so split the file |
| 09:02.27 | hid3 | but sed, awk are using only one, and in sequence. The one is being utilised 100% |
| 09:02.45 | hid3 | valdyn: actually I can't. It's a DNS server config file |
| 09:03.00 | hid3 | like ~30 MB in size |
| 09:03.18 | valdyn | hid3: what is the problem then? |
| 09:03.32 | valdyn | hid3: small file, those tools are going to be fast, what do you need? |
| 09:03.47 | hid3 | I need excellence |
| 09:03.55 | valdyn | hid3: thats not helpful |
| 09:04.00 | hid3 | and not that "it's going to be fast anyway, don't bother with it" |
| 09:04.13 | valdyn | hid3: we *really* need to know what you need |
| 09:04.15 | hid3 | I've successfully replaced gzip znd bzip2 with alternativce tools |
| 09:04.45 | valdyn | hid3: bzip is actually regularily cpu bound, thats a totally different beast |
| 09:04.57 | hid3 | Okay. Nevermind. |
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| 09:07.52 | jelly | you'll have actual bottlenecks to optimize, no need to invent them |
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| 09:16.13 | altin | Hey guys, can anyone tell me how can I disable usb ports via UDEV ? |
| 09:16.25 | altin | I'm trying to disable a second keyboard |
| 09:16.31 | altin | which in fact is a RFID reader |
| 09:16.55 | altin | I've been using xinput -list |
| 09:17.18 | altin | and$ xinput set-prop ID 'Device Enabled' 0 |
| 09:17.27 | altin | which is working perfectly |
| 09:17.43 | altin | but the problem is that I cannot use xinput when I'm remotely trying to do it |
| 09:18.10 | altin | bcs it says it needs X server running |
| 09:18.21 | altin | now I'm trying to find an alterantive to that command |
| 09:18.25 | jelly | altin: sure you can, just need to set DISPLAY (and maybe XAUTHORITY) variables to match the remote X server session |
| 09:18.34 | altin | jelly: yes I tried that |
| 09:18.45 | altin | when i export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 09:18.48 | altin | I can run the command |
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| 09:18.58 | altin | but the RFID does not get disabled :/ |
| 09:19.04 | jelly | huh |
| 09:19.12 | altin | I have nut tried XAUTHORITY though |
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| 09:19.46 | jelly | altin: hm, is :0.0 the real session? Maybe you have multiple X sessions running? |
| 09:20.05 | altin | not sure, I'm actually trying this in my laptop currently |
| 09:20.23 | altin | ...where obviously I'm running a X server in my session here |
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| 09:20.40 | altin | but the host i'm trying to run the command has no X session started at all |
| 09:21.51 | altin | I'm testing it on my laptop by using the session on my F1 tab (idk how it's really called) |
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| 09:32.07 | jelly | oh, if there's no X running then xinput is useless |
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| 09:46.07 | ecthiender | I am following this https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge to setup a bridge interface in my host machine |
| 09:46.43 | ecthiender | I have this in my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:46.54 | ecthiender | I am using debian 8. |
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| 09:47.24 | ecthiender | but restarting doesn't bring up the br0 interface. And when I do "ifup br0", it complaints: Cannot find device "br0" |
| 09:47.30 | ecthiender | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:50.30 | Amun_Ra | auto br0 is present? |
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| 09:53.28 | kyshtynbai | Hi guys! I've got a database which has become way to big for my partition (/var is mounted to sda1). I've got one more hdd. Can I safely remount /var to new hdd and how exactly, if so? |
| 09:54.44 | Amun_Ra | you can mount db dir only, it'll be much easier |
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| 09:55.17 | kyshtynbai | Amun_Ra: thanks! |
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| 09:55.49 | Amun_Ra | no worries |
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| 10:24.15 | ecthiender | Amun_Ra, yes |
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| 10:31.34 | hypermist | looks like the laptop wont work with linux. |
| 10:31.40 | hypermist | Tried ubuntu and debian both failed |
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| 10:34.09 | at0m | dpkg: tell hypermist about doesn't work |
| 10:34.22 | hypermist | Well. black screen with _ flashing |
| 10:34.26 | hypermist | thats it |
| 10:34.33 | hypermist | and my bios doesnt have an uefi modes |
| 10:36.29 | ecthiender | if I don't want to use brctl to setup bridge networking and only want to use /etc/network/interfaces to specify bridge interfaces, do I still have to install the bridge-utils package? |
| 10:37.04 | ecthiender | hypermist, what is "wont work" ? |
| 10:37.14 | hypermist | THe hole damn thing |
| 10:37.17 | hypermist | I can't install or livecd |
| 10:37.34 | ecthiender | it won't boot from a live cd or usb is what you mean? |
| 10:37.37 | ecthiender | hypermist, ^ |
| 10:37.50 | hypermist | -.- really |
| 10:38.05 | hypermist | I basically said that |
| 10:38.20 | hypermist | It just flashes _ |
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| 10:38.33 | SynrG | when you do what? |
| 10:38.41 | SynrG | precisely |
| 10:38.55 | hypermist | Try boot the image or install it off a usb |
| 10:39.04 | SynrG | "the image" being what? |
| 10:39.09 | hypermist | the debian iso |
| 10:39.11 | hypermist | On a usb |
| 10:39.12 | hypermist | Live cd |
| 10:39.23 | SynrG | so did you try a non-live image? |
| 10:39.26 | ecthiender | hypermist, did you enable boot from USB/CD in your BIOS? |
| 10:39.27 | hypermist | Yep |
| 10:39.29 | SynrG | and you still haven't said which image |
| 10:39.32 | SCDias | first off all tried ubunto 15? it suports uefi. |
| 10:39.32 | SynrG | there are many |
| 10:39.33 | hypermist | I tried 5 different damn files |
| 10:39.39 | SynrG | URLs? |
| 10:39.45 | hypermist | I dont keep them lol |
| 10:39.47 | SynrG | anyway, try the netinst |
| 10:39.51 | SynrG | !install debian |
| 10:39.51 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 10:40.00 | hypermist | I can't put the the laptop on the net |
| 10:40.20 | ecthiender | hypermist, how are you online here? |
| 10:40.29 | SynrG | for technical reasons? |
| 10:40.40 | hypermist | Cause my device is authed the modem |
| 10:40.46 | hypermist | whilist the other one isnt |
| 10:40.54 | hypermist | Meaning trying to connect to the net. it boots it |
| 10:41.28 | SynrG | you have no router/firewall between you and the internet? |
| 10:41.55 | hypermist | No. its that we have a device authorization policy on the network |
| 10:42.08 | SynrG | after installing debian, how do you intend to use it on the laptop, if you can't be authed to the modem? |
| 10:42.25 | SynrG | (sorry if i'm being dense, but your problem is new to me) |
| 10:42.48 | hypermist | I'll get it authed after the install. cause the person that does our authing is probably asleep lol |
| 10:43.01 | SynrG | i see. |
| 10:43.26 | SynrG | but theoretically you could be patient and wait, and get it authed. |
| 10:43.40 | SynrG | and then install |
| 10:43.49 | hypermist | but why design something that doesnt work from the get go. on the laptop |
| 10:43.57 | hypermist | Even ubuntu 14.04 did the same thing |
| 10:44.00 | SynrG | we still don't know what your problem is. |
| 10:44.00 | hypermist | Exactly the same loll |
| 10:44.13 | SynrG | we started by saying "use the standard install method" |
| 10:44.15 | hypermist | All i get is a _ flashing |
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| 10:44.28 | hypermist | Even taking quiet mode off |
| 10:44.32 | hypermist | It still just does tahth |
| 10:44.43 | SynrG | you still haven't said which images. maybe you don't have the right one? |
| 10:44.56 | SynrG | do you know your video chipset? |
| 10:45.13 | hypermist | Nope, i know nothing about this laptop apart from that it has a amd turion II p250 |
| 10:45.14 | SynrG | there are unofficial non-free live images ... maybe your chipset requires it to work properly |
| 10:46.06 | SynrG | that's an oldish processor |
| 10:46.37 | SynrG | so the laptop is what, 4 or 5 years old? |
| 10:47.13 | ecthiender | I am using jessie. I am connected to wlan0 and using the internet. If I want to setup a bridge interface, do I have to disable wlan0 or something? I do not have any entry of wlan0 in my /etc/network/interfaces .. |
| 10:47.32 | ecthiender | I just added the br0 interface. so I have the br0 interface up, but I don't think it is bridging.. |
| 10:47.33 | hypermist | yea 4-5 years old SynrG |
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| 10:48.34 | SynrG | there's a possibility your image isn't written properly as well. you say you wrote it to USB? |
| 10:48.49 | SynrG | how did you write it to USB? |
| 10:49.08 | hypermist | I used win32diskimager, rufus, unetbootin all di the same. |
| 10:49.45 | SynrG | use the first one. forget about the last two. they cause problems. |
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| 10:49.59 | hypermist | win32diskiamger did the same as the other 2 |
| 10:50.00 | hypermist | lol |
| 10:50.41 | SynrG | describe exactly what happens at boot. you insert the USB, you start to boot. do you see any messages at all? |
| 10:50.53 | hypermist | One second |
| 10:51.10 | hypermist | http://imgur.com/a/vl3zi this is what happens after i hit any of the options |
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| 10:51.47 | SynrG | oh, so you do see some messages. that's good. |
| 10:52.11 | hypermist | yea thats all i see before i hit live cd or live cd failsafe of install,etc but the hw check option things work |
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| 10:52.50 | SynrG | you could use the netinst anyway. just skip the network configuration. you'll end up with a base system installed. |
| 10:53.04 | SynrG | once you're authed, you can install the desktop & configure your network |
| 10:53.18 | SynrG | by "base" i mean text console only and very little else |
| 10:53.32 | hypermist | :S thats not really what i want i need GUI |
| 10:53.41 | SynrG | then you could download one of the larger install images |
| 10:53.44 | hypermist | thats why i downloaded debian-mate |
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| 10:54.41 | SynrG | so between the syslinux boot screen and the flashing cursor, no messages are shown? |
| 10:54.48 | hypermist | correct |
| 10:54.48 | SynrG | not even Loading the kernel? |
| 10:54.52 | hypermist | correct |
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| 10:55.20 | SynrG | it's unlikely it's a firmware issue |
| 10:55.34 | SynrG | !install mate |
| 10:55.34 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
| 10:56.19 | SynrG | !various cd1 |
| 10:56.19 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for Xfce, and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the Xfce CD-1 of Debian 8 "Jessie" for amd64, you'd grab -> debian-8.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors. Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
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| 10:56.59 | Guest495 | test |
| 10:57.06 | hypermist | I had a cd of it too SynrG |
| 10:57.32 | SynrG | a physical cd? ok, then it's unlikely the issue is how the USB was written |
| 10:57.40 | hypermist | No not a physical cd |
| 10:57.41 | Guest495 | hi, how to give the user test permissions to /var/www for samba without changing to owner root?? |
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| 10:57.53 | SynrG | oh ... explain "a cd of it" |
| 10:57.54 | hypermist | Meaning one of the CD files like debian CD1 |
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| 10:58.01 | SynrG | one of the installer files |
| 10:58.05 | hypermist | yes |
| 10:58.09 | Guest495 | change others to rwx ? |
| 10:58.15 | SynrG | so you did try non-live. that was one of my earliest questions that went unanswered. |
| 10:58.21 | dgriffi | are you dd-ing a cd image to a flash drive? |
| 10:58.29 | hypermist | i did try non live and it did the same |
| 10:58.35 | Guest495 | i need help with user permissions please |
| 10:58.38 | SynrG | dgriffi: using win32diskimager |
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| 10:59.24 | SynrG | dgriffi: in summary, hypermist tried multiple images, live & non-live, and gets to the syslinux boot screen, but as soon as an option is selected, gets nothing but a black screen with cursor |
| 10:59.32 | Guest495 | change the permission from others to rwx? |
| 10:59.50 | SynrG | on a laptop around 4-5 years old containing unknown video chipset, etc. |
| 11:00.00 | Guest495 | owner root rwx-r-x-rwx ?? |
| 11:00.17 | dgriffi | will anything else boot? try something unrelated. |
| 11:00.29 | hypermist | windows boots |
| 11:00.30 | hypermist | haha |
| 11:00.51 | Guest495 | hallo, kann mir jemand helfen bitte |
| 11:00.59 | Guest495 | es geht um benutzerrechte |
| 11:01.15 | SynrG | dgriffi: and hypermist says the system has no UEFI |
| 11:01.29 | hypermist | SynrG, it might have uefi but i sure as hell can't access it in the bios |
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| 11:01.49 | SynrG | i see |
| 11:02.08 | hypermist | and its not visable haha |
| 11:02.26 | SynrG | i'm unfamiliar with UEFI. it were a UEFI issue, would you even see the live image's syslinux menu? it has no UEFI support. |
| 11:02.37 | SynrG | (that's a general question to the other helpers here) |
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| 11:03.15 | dgriffi | try booting a different distro |
| 11:03.37 | SynrG | dgriffi: he did that. failed with ubuntu 14.04 |
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| 11:03.46 | SynrG | same symptom |
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| 11:04.02 | dgriffi | suse? centos? |
| 11:04.04 | SynrG | hypermist: or at least i'm assuming. did it fail in the same way? |
| 11:04.09 | hypermist | i tried ubuntu |
| 11:04.12 | hypermist | and it did the same |
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| 11:05.36 | SynrG | i would question how the images are being written to USB. you said you tried multiple programs. did you end up using one more than the others? |
| 11:06.33 | SynrG | i absolutely wouldn't use anything other than win32diskimager, and would try verifying the image on a different system first |
| 11:06.35 | dgriffi | go to 661.org and look for the article on making a bootable flash drive. |
| 11:06.44 | SynrG | what? no ... |
| 11:07.14 | SynrG | why? |
| 11:07.31 | SynrG | it's simple. use win32diskimager. write the image. verify it on a different system. |
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| 11:07.44 | dgriffi | that one always works for me |
| 11:07.44 | SynrG | *if* the image boots fine on another system, then, and only then, try it on the laptop |
| 11:08.05 | SynrG | that will help us sort out whether or not it's an image writing issue |
| 11:08.27 | SynrG | if it fails in the same way on both systems, it is almost surely an image writing issue |
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| 11:09.43 | dgriffi | I agree. try booting on some other machine |
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| 11:10.07 | SynrG | i just don't want hypermist going off on a tangent trying yet another (unvetted by me ;) set of instructions when he has already tried win32diskimager, which i have found to be reliable. |
| 11:10.26 | hypermist | haha |
| 11:10.32 | SynrG | !usb install |
| 11:10.32 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 11:10.44 | SynrG | it's our standard advice here to use that tool |
| 11:11.13 | SynrG | hypermist: so are you ready to try what i asked? |
| 11:11.19 | Guest495 | how to give new user permissions for writing /var/www ?? |
| 11:11.49 | hypermist | soon i shall SynrG |
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| 11:13.09 | Sonex | I want to to install Deb8 on Xen but on XenCenter it is only showing Deb 7 from the list to create a new VM? |
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| 11:14.03 | SynrG | Guest495: generally this isn't a good idea. can't you just turn on userdir module? |
| 11:14.39 | SynrG | Guest495: with userdir enabled (a2enmod userdir, if you're using apache) you can just have the user mkdir ~/public_html and put stuff there |
| 11:14.43 | Guest495 | i want samba to give the webserver the files |
| 11:15.11 | Pymous | Hey ! |
| 11:15.28 | Pymous | Someone know a netstats command to display IP and current bandwitdh usage per IP ? |
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| 11:15.47 | no_gravity | How can I look at a file to see if there are any characters in there that vim does not show? |
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| 11:17.02 | Guest495 | sudo apt-get install samba-common samba |
| 11:17.21 | Guest495 | sudo adduser --no-create-home --disabled-login --shell /bin/false <username> |
| 11:17.23 | SynrG | no_gravity: hexdump -C perhaps? |
| 11:17.30 | bev_ | hi all! I seem to bump into an issue unknown to me with mdadm (RAID 1 on /home) while changing an old aging disk. I'll try to be short. First, this install is jessie, mdadm version v3.3.2 - 21st August 2014 if it helps ; arch: amd64 |
| 11:17.33 | Guest495 | sudo smbpasswd -a <username> |
| 11:17.37 | Guest495 | sudo smbpasswd -e <username> |
| 11:17.53 | Guest495 | net usershare add Sharename /pfad/zu/ordner "Kommentar" user:f |
| 11:17.57 | SynrG | no_gravity: it may be tedious to inspect a file this way, but it would show you precisely the contents in hex |
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| 11:18.33 | no_gravity | SynrG: awesome! |
| 11:18.45 | Guest495 | when i use the lines befor i can not write |
| 11:19.09 | no_gravity | looks like there are some strange bytes at the beginning of the file: ef bb bf. what is that? no text editor shows them. |
| 11:19.28 | bev_ | issue: my RAID1 has both disks failing, so replaced /dev/sdb with new one, dd-ed /dev/sda on /dev/sdb and replaced. Fine. now I'm trying to fix /dev/sda and if I remove it, systemd will not le me go through, though this is only /home |
| 11:19.36 | SynrG | no_gravity: an encoding indicator? google it. i vaguely recall something like that |
| 11:19.50 | no_gravity | its a simple text file |
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| 11:20.10 | SynrG | no_gravity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark (results of me googling it :) |
| 11:20.19 | no_gravity | yeah |
| 11:20.38 | bev_ | The warning message which falls back into maintenance is "A start job is running for dev-bisk-by/x2duuid-*uuid*" |
| 11:20.43 | no_gravity | how did that get there? and how do i get rid of it? |
| 11:21.22 | SynrG | no_gravity: software that understands BOM wrote the file |
| 11:21.24 | bev_ | swapping falling and new dsik doesn't help, so it's not a hard coded /dev/sdX issue |
| 11:22.07 | no_gravity | SynrG: ok. the more "intelligent" software tries to be, the more problems... |
| 11:23.08 | SynrG | anyone care to try to help Guest495 with this? samba + web is not an area where i have experience. it somehow "seems wrong" to me to serve web files directly from a samba share, but maybe there's an elegant way to do it. |
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| 11:23.25 | SynrG | Guest495: you could put the user in the www-data group, but i don't know the security implications to that |
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| 11:23.53 | Guest495 | ok thank you |
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| 11:24.19 | SynrG | no_gravity: i would google next: vim bom |
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| 11:24.30 | SynrG | no_gravity: maybe there's some nice way in vim to deal with BOM |
| 11:24.58 | Guest495 | i ant to try this: chmod -rwx testuser /var/www |
| 11:24.59 | no_gravity | SynrG: the problem is my php script fails when text files contain that bom thing. maybe i can change it in the application layer so my script can deal with it. |
| 11:25.00 | SynrG | it's perfectly OK to have BOM in a Unicode file. that's valid Unicode |
| 11:25.06 | SynrG | maybe you don't really want Unicode? |
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| 11:25.18 | SynrG | in that case, change it to an encoding your php script likes |
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| 11:25.32 | SynrG | or else change your php script to properly handle Unicode |
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| 11:26.17 | no_gravity | deleting the bom part might be the easiest way |
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| 11:26.29 | doudou00 | ban? |
| 11:26.30 | bev_ | no_gravity: this is hard |
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| 11:26.51 | bev_ | ussualy, it is "hidden" by editors |
| 11:27.17 | no_gravity | maybe i can make the script detect and delete it |
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| 11:27.41 | bev_ | you can, I do it in java while importing files |
| 11:28.06 | bev_ | but that's raw import |
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| 11:28.54 | bev_ | SynrG's suggestion looks better |
| 11:29.29 | no_gravity | teh internet suggests this: $bom = pack('H*','EFBBBF'); $text = preg_replace("/^$bom/", '', $text); |
| 11:29.54 | SynrG | bev_: can we get the exact "A start job is running for" message? you seem to have hand-typed it ... with typos and ellipsis omitting important stuff |
| 11:30.22 | SynrG | e.g. is it failing on swap? or something else? |
| 11:30.44 | bev_ | SynrG: not failing on swap (googled that), on md0 |
| 11:31.09 | SynrG | so fstab has all the correct UUIDs in it? |
| 11:31.10 | bev_ | proper uuid start (checked) is a53d45b1 |
| 11:31.14 | bev_ | yep |
| 11:31.21 | bev_ | so has mdadm.conf |
| 11:31.37 | SynrG | you've checked all the same things i would've checked. dunno |
| 11:31.52 | bev_ | i'll wait then :) |
| 11:32.12 | SynrG | maybe you can get systemd to divulge in more detail what's going on? |
| 11:32.22 | SynrG | !systemd |
| 11:32.22 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 11:32.32 | SynrG | istr the wiki has some stuff about systemd issue debugging |
| 11:32.39 | bev_ | i haven't learned much about systemd |
| 11:32.48 | SynrG | start at the debian wiki, then |
| 11:32.57 | bev_ | will look into it in a moment |
| 11:33.01 | bev_ | heh |
| 11:33.25 | bev_ | SynrG: thanks for the pointers |
| 11:33.30 | SynrG | np. good luck! |
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| 11:34.49 | bev_ | Just to expand a bit if it could be swap... |
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| 11:35.32 | nishant | https://bpaste.net/show/02d36792bdd3 - is that the correct repository configuration for debian testing? |
| 11:35.34 | bev_ | sda[1]/sdb[1]: full disks as RAID1 on /home, sdb1: swap, sdb2: / |
| 11:35.52 | nishant | i bump into a lot of errors when I try to install packages |
| 11:35.55 | bev_ | oups, sdc for the end |
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| 11:37.09 | SynrG | nishant: no. that is incorrect for testing. |
| 11:37.17 | SynrG | nishant: stretch is testing. jessie is not. |
| 11:37.28 | nishant | how do I get that right SynrG? so do I just make that stretch |
| 11:37.39 | SynrG | nishant: lines 3 and 4 are redundant, too. delete them |
| 11:37.48 | nishant | s/jessie/stretch would be correct? |
| 11:37.55 | SynrG | nishant: yes, in lines 1 & 2 |
| 11:37.55 | bev_ | nishant: my advice: don't use testing, use unstable |
| 11:38.10 | SynrG | bev_: what??? lunacy during the latest transitions :) |
| 11:38.14 | doudou00 | do people still use mt magnetic tape command? or there is another way to write tapes? |
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| 11:38.19 | SynrG | absolutely batshit insane |
| 11:38.22 | nishant | why so bev_? lol |
| 11:38.34 | nishant | the name unstable sounds scary to me |
| 11:38.50 | SynrG | nishant: please join #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net which supports testing/unstable. we can help you better there. |
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| 11:38.54 | bev_ | nishant: because testing is for testing, bugs need to be fixed right, so it takes time |
| 11:39.03 | SynrG | bev_: there's a solution to that: |
| 11:39.04 | SynrG | !tum |
| 11:39.05 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 11:39.06 | bev_ | unstable is just... quick fixes |
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| 11:39.19 | SynrG | bev_: but unstable is in terrible shape right now due to transitions |
| 11:39.34 | SynrG | bev_: please don't point users there. it's not for the faint of heart |
| 11:39.58 | nishant | right I will just go for testing and see whats happening |
| 11:40.08 | SynrG | doudou00: mag tapes! wow. heh. i haven't used them in ~10 years ... |
| 11:40.29 | bev_ | SynrG: i've lived well for years in unstable :) |
| 11:40.33 | SynrG | doudou00: mt is needed to rewind, etc. |
| 11:40.52 | nishant | so which is more cutting edge? testing or unstable |
| 11:40.52 | SynrG | bev_: so have i. since about 1995. but that's besides the fact ... |
| 11:41.10 | unborn | mag tapes? that should be gone long time ago meh |
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| 11:41.35 | doudou00 | synrg i found powervault with many GB in tapes for about 80⬠so ... how do you keep your data for future? Magnetic tape is 30 years minimum? |
| 11:41.38 | nishant | could not stand *buntu so switched back to debian |
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| 11:42.14 | doudou00 | synrg i have no idea at all how it works, i only found a page with mt command mt and tar. |
| 11:43.05 | doudou00 | SynrG: I found linux modules with scsi, seem possible |
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| 11:44.10 | doudou00 | SynrG: I read about a new technology, writing with laser on glass, but seem not available |
| 11:45.00 | SynrG | doudou00: but yeah, that tool set is still used today |
| 11:45.25 | SynrG | there are, of course, tape-oriented backup solutsions like amanda, etc. but these may be overkill for your needs. |
| 11:45.29 | SynrG | solutions* |
| 11:46.17 | doudou00 | SynrG: tar is enought, i want only to store files, family pictures or films for next 30 years |
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| 11:46.42 | bev_ | SynrG: going to #debian-systemd from the links you gave me. Not that you're not giving good answers, hey! |
| 11:46.43 | doudou00 | SynrG: i need a tool to rewing tape? doe |
| 11:47.28 | SynrG | doudou00: well, there's the issue of whether *any* archival media will actually last 30 years |
| 11:47.52 | doudou00 | SynrG: i need a tool to rewing tape? can i write only one tar file? or many tar files and skip from one to another in the tape? |
| 11:49.16 | SynrG | doudou00: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_preservation#Magnetic_media.2C_video_cassettes.2C_tapes.2C_hard_drives |
| 11:49.31 | SynrG | doudou00: "Magnetic Media also deteriorates naturally with typical shelf-lives between 10 and 20 years.[7]" |
| 11:49.36 | SynrG | might want to read the cited study |
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| 11:50.05 | SynrG | so before you get too much into the exact commands you'll need, read up |
| 11:50.25 | SynrG | you don't want to be trusting your archival media storage to magtapes for 35 years |
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| 11:51.02 | doudou00 | SynrG: Thanks, seem there is another technology M-Disc that aime the long time preservation. better than magetic tape |
| 11:51.40 | SynrG | nishant: i really think we need to move the discussion to #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net. it's not just simply a matter of which is more "cutting edge". obviously, unstable is. but there are reasons why one might want to choose one or the other we could get into in more detail there. |
| 11:52.07 | doudou00 | SynrG: thanks |
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| 11:53.30 | nishant | thanks SynrG, first let me bootstrap my machine |
| 11:53.55 | SynrG | nishant: also, read: |
| 11:53.57 | SynrG | !sid faq |
| 11:53.58 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 11:54.38 | nishant | right will go through |
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| 12:03.44 | GtomAX | hi, I'm trying to get OpenVPN running on my Debian 7 VPS. Unfortunately, the tun kernel module is not loaded and I can't find it on the system. So I guess I have to compile the kernel by myself with tun support |
| 12:03.46 | GtomAX | is that correct? |
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| 12:05.00 | Brigo | GtomAX, yes, you need it. |
| 12:05.08 | GtomAX | okey, how can I do that? |
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| 12:05.33 | Brigo | GtomAX, debian has that module enable by default. |
| 12:06.39 | GtomAX | Brigo: modprobe tun -> FATAL: Module tun not found. |
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| 12:07.02 | GtomAX | lsmod -> nothing |
| 12:07.29 | abrotman | GtomAX: you're on a VPS |
| 12:08.06 | GtomAX | abrotman: think so yes |
| 12:08.10 | abrotman | GtomAX: uname -r |
| 12:08.26 | GtomAX | abrotman: 2.6.32-042stab108.3 |
| 12:09.20 | abrotman | GtomAX: Right, that's not a Debian kernel |
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| 12:10.09 | GtomAX | abrotman: how can I load the debian kernel? |
| 12:10.31 | jelly | GtomAX: you don't have control of the kernel, your system is in an openvz or virtuozzo container |
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| 12:10.54 | GtomAX | jelly: ok, thx. I'll then disconntinue the VPS. thanks a lot! |
| 12:11.20 | Brigo | GtomAX, ask admins, sometimes they can activate that module (or you from configuration panel) |
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| 12:12.26 | DelphiWorld | hi |
| 12:12.35 | DelphiWorld | someone give me the wheezy apt source? |
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| 12:13.55 | edoardo_ | hello |
| 12:14.17 | edoardo_ | is there a list of official/unofficial debian repositories? |
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| 12:16.47 | SynrG | edoardo_: in general, you want to limit the amount of mixing things in from third party repositories as much as possible for a stable experience with debian |
| 12:16.54 | SynrG | as for the official ones: |
| 12:16.56 | SynrG | !repositories |
| 12:16.56 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:20.05 | edoardo_ | SynrG: thanks! |
| 12:20.29 | SynrG | is there specific third-party software you're interested in? we may be able to help with supported alternatives. |
| 12:20.44 | edoardo_ | lmms |
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| 12:20.59 | edoardo_ | i can't find it in the main debian repo |
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| 12:21.00 | edoardo_ | i'm on stretch |
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| 12:21.28 | edoardo_ | and deb-multimedia has many forks and outdated software |
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| 12:22.48 | abrotman | lmms is the software you want? |
| 12:22.53 | edoardo_ | yep |
| 12:23.07 | abrotman | lmms is already in stretch |
| 12:23.27 | edoardo_ | E: Package 'lmms' has no installation candidate |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | judd: versions lmms |
| 12:23.38 | judd | Package: lmms on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.7-2; wheezy: 0.4.10-2.3; jessie: 1.0.3-5; sid: 1.0.3-5 |
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| 12:23.53 | edoardo_ | this is the only line i have in sources.list |
| 12:23.54 | edoardo_ | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | oh, it's not in stretch at the moment, you'd have to backport it from sid |
| 12:24.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell edoardo_ about tum |
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| 12:25.26 | DoctorD90 | guys, if i try to compile kernel 4.1.x on my env, and switch to it, (question due to unknoledge of these deep stuff) i will get issues? because i know that debian atm doesnt support latest kernel :) |
| 12:25.42 | SynrG | probably not |
| 12:26.16 | SynrG | just means that any new features of the kernel that require updated userspace will not be accessible to you from userspace |
| 12:26.31 | SynrG | generally backported kernels work well on stable |
| 12:26.47 | SynrG | of course, it's preferable from a support perspective to use official backports |
| 12:26.49 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 12:26.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-rc8-686-pae (4.2~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
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| 12:27.10 | SynrG | DoctorD90: is there some reason you can't use the one in jessie-backports? |
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| 12:27.21 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is building a package for i386 on amd64 supposed to be hard? Not shure if I should simply use a VM. |
| 12:27.42 | SynrG | i would just do that in a chroot, using pbuilder or so |
| 12:27.44 | nishant | is it possible to make the booting slightly graphical - i mean there used to be some distros which showed whats getting loaded |
| 12:27.45 | edoardo_ | hey, it works :D |
| 12:27.48 | SynrG | it's pretty simple |
| 12:27.50 | edoardo_ | why isn't lmms in stretch, tho? |
| 12:28.00 | nishant | I don't want the splash I guess, but just whats getting loaded etc |
| 12:28.13 | SynrG | edoardo_: typically testing removals are due to unsolved RC bugs |
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| 12:28.35 | SynrG | edoardo_: look at outstanding RC (release critical) bugs filed against lmms in sid at http://bugs.debian.org/lmms |
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| 12:29.13 | SynrG | edoardo_: once they are solved, lmms will be a candidate to re-enter testing again. |
| 12:29.24 | edoardo_ | sounds legit |
| 12:29.43 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: thx as always for complete answer :) i would like just learn to compile kernel, doing my own custom iso of debian, but i didnt known if i could get some issue :) ....btw, im running 3.16-686-pae :) |
| 12:30.03 | SynrG | DoctorD90: sure. then just follow the debian kernel handbook for that. |
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| 12:30.25 | DoctorD90 | and i cant find j-backport...but surelly i have to just update sources.list |
| 12:30.32 | SynrG | yes. exactly |
| 12:30.44 | DoctorD90 | uhm....i love handbook! where i may get that? :D |
| 12:30.52 | SynrG | !tell DoctorD90 about jessie-backports |
| 12:31.04 | SynrG | handbook? never heard of it |
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| 12:31.40 | DoctorD90 | because when i got issues with kernel panic, i tried go compile a kernel, but i required stuff that i dont totally understand :P |
| 12:31.40 | SynrG | oh ... |
| 12:31.52 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: i mean this debian handbook |
| 12:31.54 | SynrG | duh, the thing i just said :) |
| 12:31.58 | SynrG | !kernel handbook |
| 12:31.59 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 12:32.12 | DoctorD90 | yea! that one ;) thx! |
| 12:32.13 | ElDiabolo | SynrG, Actually to me a VM is easier than a chrrot. Thx. |
| 12:33.02 | DoctorD90 | ElDiabolo: how do you want 'compile' an 64bit version for 32? |
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| 12:33.29 | SynrG | ElDiabolo: simpler than 'pbuilder create --architecture i386 && pbuilder build <packagename.dsc>'? hard to imagine |
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| 12:34.54 | DoctorD90 | pbuilder? .... SynrG what re differences with debootstrap? o0 |
| 12:35.41 | SynrG | DoctorD90: pbuilder uses debootstrap as a backend, but knows how to build packages, satisfying all the source dependencies automagically. |
| 12:36.58 | DoctorD90 | so pbuilder create, or debootstrap folder jessie source, is the same....change the next steps....that im doing by hand xP |
| 12:37.34 | DoctorD90 | understood :) .....about that kernel handbook doesnt exists a pdf/offline version? |
| 12:37.40 | SynrG | the by-hand stuff is tedious |
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| 12:38.23 | SynrG | sure, if your goal is to learn stuff, do it by hand for a bit. but when you want to be productive, you use the appropriate tools. |
| 12:38.38 | tomodachi | yo guys im looking into using one nic on two diffrent lans. I can do this right? eth0 -> vlan666 , eth0:1 -> vlan667 |
| 12:39.37 | DoctorD90 | yes SynrG ....because repeating/repeating/repeating steps, let me learn them :D and i know at each steps what is happened :P |
| 12:40.11 | SynrG | but some things are just not really that much worth learning ... manually satisfying build depends is not something that bears repeating :p |
| 12:40.18 | SynrG | for me, *once* is enough :) |
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| 12:40.28 | Amun_Ra | tomodachi: you don't have do make aliases |
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| 12:42.10 | Amun_Ra | tomodachi: google for: debian vlan trunk |
| 12:42.24 | SynrG | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method |
| 12:43.20 | DoctorD90 | i would learn to apt-cacher-ng to speedup downloading phase, but at the end, i have simply mounted --bind the archives folder :P so i get them on all chroot envs :P |
| 12:43.22 | SynrG | hmm, "dangerous"? |
| 12:43.49 | SynrG | DoctorD90: good enough. |
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| 12:44.27 | SynrG | DoctorD90: never met an apt cache solution that didn't get corrupted at some point :p |
| 12:44.53 | SynrG | i've heard apt caching via squid is robust but have never tried it |
| 12:45.15 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: jessie-backports says that debian 9 stretch(next stable) are compiled for 8.x WHEEZY.....but debian 8 isnt jessie? and jessie-backports doesnt mean next version conpiled for jessie? what wheezy ...mean? |
| 12:45.46 | SynrG | well, clearly that's wrong |
| 12:45.52 | edoardo_ | also, another questions |
| 12:45.55 | edoardo_ | *question |
| 12:46.02 | SynrG | DoctorD90: where does it say that? |
| 12:46.03 | edoardo_ | my router likes to change my hostname |
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| 12:46.16 | edoardo_ | is there a way to have debian use its own hostname? |
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| 12:46.45 | edoardo_ | before network: edoardo@localhost, after network: edoardo@MiWiFi-R1CM |
| 12:47.04 | fennesz | Hello! Does anyone know any good keyboard/touchpad combo? I am thinking of buying a Logitech k400 . Can anyone confirm that this will work on Debian 8 ? |
| 12:47.13 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: on kali live, to install packages, i use the second usb partition, to store an archives folders, with all apt-pkgs that i need to install, and then at each boot, using -o dir::cache for install :P so i always have them :P |
| 12:47.41 | DoctorD90 | created also an update script, so i can fastly re-build up cache with all pkgs :P |
| 12:48.12 | DoctorD90 | for live is a great way....btw, i have read in your !tell nick about jessie-backports |
| 12:48.28 | SynrG | !jessie-backports |
| 12:48.29 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 12:48.34 | SynrG | fixed. thanks for reporting the issue. |
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| 12:50.09 | SynrG | DoctorD90: on each release upgrade, we review/update all factoids to refer to current releases. i was part of the group that helped do that. this one just slipped by our watchful eyes. |
| 12:50.22 | DoctorD90 | !pff! it a very pleasure contribute as i can :D |
| 12:50.35 | edoardo_ | i think apt broke |
| 12:50.41 | DoctorD90 | uhm....sorry for that...but...using a variable?? |
| 12:51.10 | DoctorD90 | i mean, lets 'sed' ACTUAL_VERSION with a text in a file? |
| 12:51.11 | SynrG | yes. that would be better. |
| 12:51.24 | SynrG | however, it's complicated ... |
| 12:51.26 | DoctorD90 | so bot will always auto use tge rigth stuff? |
| 12:51.37 | DoctorD90 | in what langs is written? |
| 12:51.38 | SynrG | sometimes references to <codename> are literal. sometimes they're general |
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| 12:51.54 | SynrG | !tell DoctorD90 about dpkgbot |
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| 12:57.52 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: i cant find if it is an eggdrop, supybot, phpbot, or what else :P |
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| 13:01.36 | SynrG | none of the above. didn't that reference give you enough? |
| 13:02.27 | SynrG | it ultimately links to https://sourceforge.net/p/infobot/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/ |
| 13:02.55 | DoctorD90 | lol, didnt see from phone :P |
| 13:03.17 | SynrG | ah |
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| 13:05.36 | DoctorD90 | ah perl....uhm...dont know...i cant help with a little patch :( |
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| 13:06.10 | DoctorD90 | but kernel handbook isnt available under pdf or similar? |
| 13:06.25 | hypermist | SynrG, the !usb install command you did to me |
| 13:06.29 | hypermist | I dont think thats gunna work |
| 13:06.31 | hypermist | !usb install |
| 13:06.32 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 13:07.10 | DoctorD90 | hypermist: what is your issue? :) |
| 13:07.23 | hypermist | lemme go find the iamge url |
| 13:07.33 | DoctorD90 | from which os you are? |
| 13:07.40 | hypermist | http://imgur.com/a/vl3zi |
| 13:07.42 | DoctorD90 | ?? image? |
| 13:07.57 | hypermist | Im from windows but the laptop im installing it on was windows but i want linux, and im using debian mate |
| 13:08.53 | DoctorD90 | sorry, from phone i cant open image :( |
| 13:09.13 | hypermist | Ohwell, itdoesnt looks like its gunna work anyway ;| |
| 13:09.25 | SynrG | hypermist: why not? you mean win32diskimager? |
| 13:09.25 | DoctorD90 | so download debian mate iso from site |
| 13:09.33 | SynrG | hypermist: that's what that factoid says ... |
| 13:09.34 | hypermist | SynrG, i used win32diskiamger |
| 13:09.38 | unborn | DoctorD90, he is trying to install deb but he is stuck on first screen |
| 13:09.44 | hypermist | It does 0% different |
| 13:09.56 | unborn | hypermist, did you used linux before? |
| 13:10.02 | hypermist | unborn, i have yes |
| 13:10.03 | DoctorD90 | first screen unborn ? |
| 13:10.07 | SynrG | hypermist: i asked if you could try it on a *different* system to verify the image works. did you get that far? |
| 13:10.11 | hypermist | I've got 2 vps, and i have used. linux on a desktop before |
| 13:10.31 | hypermist | SynrG, i dont want to touch it on my main system cause im dangerous with my main pc and i formatted it once Lol |
| 13:10.42 | SynrG | booting a live image is perfectly safe there |
| 13:10.48 | SynrG | it won't make modifications to it |
| 13:10.55 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: in debian folder arent there md5sum files? 0o |
| 13:11.10 | SynrG | DoctorD90: "debian folder", hm? what? |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | DoctorD90: that verifies the file on your disk, not that you wrote it to your installation media correctly |
| 13:11.32 | hypermist | well SynrG i downloaded 3 or so different debian iso's. they all did the same lol |
| 13:11.40 | DoctorD90 | debian site> download> list of content folder....or i wrong? |
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| 13:11.50 | SynrG | hypermist: "did the same" on what? i said to proceed, we need to test on a different system |
| 13:12.03 | SynrG | hypermist: if you're unable/unwilling to do that, i can't help further. |
| 13:12.23 | SynrG | hypermist: i would like to establish whether the image is written correctly or not. i can't think of a better way of checking that. |
| 13:12.24 | unborn | DoctorD90, yap from pic he pull out ist first screen meh |
| 13:12.29 | DoctorD90 | sure abrotman :) but may be test at least 1step :P |
| 13:13.11 | smdrz | which WM/dshell offers best power efficiency(battery backup) on laptop |
| 13:13.18 | hypermist | well lets see if i can break my machine SynrG :D |
| 13:13.18 | DoctorD90 | way unebootin isnt more used?o0 |
| 13:14.02 | DoctorD90 | hypermist: i run live daily...dont be feared ;) live is the safest world ;) |
| 13:14.20 | hypermist | cyao in a second if it works i'll come on with hyperdebian, and oh DoctorD90 you dont want to know why i say i dont want to break things, everything i touch breaks without reason |
| 13:14.49 | hypermist | Lets hope my miner Doesnt go BEEEP |
| 13:14.50 | hypermist | BEEEP |
| 13:14.54 | hypermist | .-. cause its loud |
| 13:15.14 | unborn | hypermist, are you trying to install it from usb? |
| 13:15.29 | unborn | I mean no live cd dvd.. |
| 13:16.35 | DoctorD90 | .......i havent understand, but i havent judged you. so keep calm :) we was just tring to help you :) we dont get fees if you have success :) |
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| 13:16.57 | julius_ | hi |
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| 13:17.15 | extrememist | So I'm hypermist while my pc does updates . |
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| 13:17.28 | julius_ | ive installed the davical package, but im unsure on how to create a user.....http://localhost/davical lets me list all kings of shit but not create a user??? |
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| 13:23.57 | nebg | c'è qualche italiano qui ? |
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| 13:24.50 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:24.50 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:25.14 | SynrG | !tell DoctorD90 about unetbootin |
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| 13:25.57 | DoctorD90 | nebg: ciao |
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| 13:26.02 | SynrG | unborn: hypermist did try a standard installer image (CD-1 or so) and failed in the same way |
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| 13:26.12 | DoctorD90 | vieni su #debian-it ;) |
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| 13:26.45 | nebg | DoctorD90 ti volevo invitare su un nuovo canale italiano di informatica e free software... creato da un mio amico, pochi ma buoni è #gattorete |
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| 13:27.00 | fennesz | Hello , is there a way I can sort files beginning with underscores first in nautilus ? Thank you ! |
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| 13:27.10 | unborn | SynrG, I had massive problems to install deb jessie via usb.. no matter of what tools Ive used.. cd was working best for me |
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| 13:27.37 | Guest883 | when i change my hostname i can not connect |
| 13:27.42 | Guest883 | with samba |
| 13:27.49 | Guest883 | any idears? |
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| 13:27.56 | DoctorD90 | nebg: t ripeto xD #debian-it ....e non penso sia il caso d fare pubblicità così ;P |
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| 13:28.09 | extrememist | So the same usb I had Debian on that I changed to Ubuntu worked |
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| 13:28.15 | extrememist | So its the laptop lol |
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| 13:32.10 | Guest883 | when i change the hostname from samba server i can not connect |
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| 13:32.42 | Guest883 | why? same ip |
| 13:32.58 | DoctorD90 | ah lol....infact usebootin gave me some issue some years ago :P |
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| 13:33.06 | abrotman | don't use unetbootin |
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| 13:33.34 | extrememist | It's funny cause I think the Ubuntu ISO bootable USB was made with unetbootin and it works in my main pc |
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| 13:33.49 | extrememist | I might have to hunt for a bios update or something for this laptop... |
| 13:33.52 | DoctorD90 | im using dd since im passed to penguin side of force :P |
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| 13:36.40 | hypermist | okay so well it must be a laptop issue |
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| 13:39.57 | SynrG | hypermist: yeah. but i'm out of ideas as to what. maybe mess with boot options |
| 13:40.13 | hypermist | SynrG, there is like bearly any bios settings to change for uefi,etc |
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| 13:40.34 | SynrG | i dunno. like i confessed earlier, uefi is not my thing |
| 13:40.54 | hypermist | Like next to nothing features |
| 13:40.55 | hypermist | Lol |
| 13:41.28 | SynrG | boot with nomodeset maybe? or with vga=normal? |
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| 13:41.47 | SynrG | but a black screen with just a cursor ... doesn't really sound like a video issue |
| 13:41.58 | SynrG | not that early in the boot process, anyway |
| 13:42.12 | SynrG | wish i could help more. |
| 13:42.13 | hypermist | its not a cursor |
| 13:42.15 | hypermist | its a _ |
| 13:42.19 | SynrG | that's a cursor |
| 13:43.03 | SynrG | on text mode, the cursor is an underscore. |
| 13:44.24 | SynrG | what was that processor, again? i've been labouring under the assumption it's 64-bit ... |
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| 13:45.09 | SynrG | <hypermist> Nope, i know nothing about this laptop apart from that it has a amd turion II p250 |
| 13:45.35 | hypermist | its a toshiba satellite l650d |
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| 13:45.40 | hypermist | heh |
| 13:45.55 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: nomodest and vga=... what they do? |
| 13:46.11 | SynrG | probably nothing for hypermist |
| 13:46.38 | SynrG | !tell DoctorD90 about kms |
| 13:46.54 | DoctorD90 | no i mean as boot option....lol great database :P |
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| 13:47.47 | SynrG | as for vga, that's the old way of selecting vga modes. it can sometimes be used to boot non-standard default vid modes (like the eeepc model 701 which has an 800x480 display) |
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| 13:49.12 | SynrG | hypermist: well, it *is* a 64-bit system |
| 13:49.37 | head8debian | How stable is stretch yet? Is it even considered an alfa? |
| 13:49.50 | hypermist | why is my capslock light flashing on and off ? |
| 13:49.56 | SynrG | http://www.toshiba.eu/discontinued-products/satellite-l650d-101/ |
| 13:51.49 | abrotman | head8debian: no one can answer that for you .. we don't know what you use your system for |
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| 13:52.35 | SynrG | head8debian: we don't qualify whole releases as "alpha", "beta", etc. |
| 13:52.51 | SynrG | head8debian: there are alpha and beta releases *of the installer* but that's not the same thing at all. |
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| 13:53.19 | head8debian | Oh, i see. |
| 13:53.39 | head8debian | How far is it into becoming stable? |
| 13:53.41 | SynrG | head8debian: and ultimately "alpha stage of development" vs. "beta stage of development" have very specific meanings within a developmental life cycle and are *not* reliable indicators of usability of software. |
| 13:53.54 | head8debian | Meaning, how much time has elapsed? |
| 13:53.57 | themill | head8debian: about 18 months |
| 13:53.57 | head8debian | Ah, i see. |
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| 13:54.20 | head8debian | Ok. |
| 13:54.23 | head8debian | Thanks. |
| 13:54.44 | SynrG | head8debian: is there a problem you're trying to solve you think using stretch would be the answer to? |
| 13:54.51 | SynrG | maybe we can help you accomplish it on jessie. |
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| 13:55.56 | cek | so buggy. |
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| 13:56.04 | cek | [ ok ] Stopping lighttpd (via systemctl): lighttpd.service. |
| 13:56.07 | cek | and .. it doesn't stop.... |
| 13:56.23 | cek | something changed in between . it was /etc/init.d/script before, now it's handled differently. |
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| 13:57.18 | head8debian | SynrG: I'm actually not having problems with Jessie, im just curious about moving on. ;) |
| 13:57.19 | SynrG | hypermist: the only remaining thing i can think of is some hardware fault that windows manages to work in spite of, and yet linux fails. |
| 13:57.24 | SynrG | hypermist: like hard drive or memory |
| 13:57.41 | head8debian | Just like i adopted Jessie 6 months before the big release. |
| 13:57.51 | DoctorD90 | as yet said.....is 32 or 64 bit the pc? |
| 13:58.11 | SynrG | hypermist: i have googled your model# and black screen cursor for that ... seems with your model and similar, there are reports of black screen with cursor trying to boot other OSes (windows, most commonly) ... |
| 13:58.20 | SynrG | hypermist: nothing conclusive, though. |
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| 13:58.50 | head8debian | And i would also like to see if i have better noveau support in it. |
| 13:58.56 | SynrG | hypermist: if on windows there are any diagnostic tools you can run to check memory, hard drive faults, etc. that could be a way forward. |
| 13:59.07 | hypermist | omg SynrG |
| 13:59.10 | hypermist | i did a bios update |
| 13:59.14 | hypermist | and. you wont believe it |
| 13:59.17 | hypermist | ITS ON UBUNTU |
| 13:59.19 | hypermist | So thats a bonus |
| 13:59.25 | hypermist | Time to make a bootable debian |
| 13:59.26 | SynrG | execellent! |
| 13:59.27 | hypermist | So it was a bios |
| 13:59.30 | SynrG | excellent* |
| 13:59.39 | SynrG | !congratuate hypermist |
| 13:59.47 | SynrG | !congratulate hypermist |
| 13:59.47 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies hypermist, you did it! |
| 14:00.09 | SynrG | what is it with my typing. maybe this is a sign i should get off irc :) |
| 14:00.41 | hypermist | SynrG, haha |
| 14:00.42 | hypermist | ty |
| 14:00.54 | SynrG | head8debian: you're welcome to join #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net to talk to us there about testing/unstable |
| 14:01.08 | SynrG | head8debian: many of us adventuresome folks do run it. not entirely without issues, though. |
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| 14:01.39 | SynrG | hypermist: well. here's hoping your day improves from here on :) |
| 14:01.57 | SynrG | how many hours did you put into this? i sensed lots of frustration |
| 14:02.03 | head8debian | SynrG: Ok. ;) |
| 14:02.34 | hypermist | Uhm.... all of lastnight timme 6am. and mostly all of today SynrG xD |
| 14:02.50 | SynrG | ouch |
| 14:03.01 | hypermist | Thats why i snapped in like point of a second |
| 14:03.01 | SynrG | let me recommend you take a bubble bath first |
| 14:03.01 | hypermist | :( |
| 14:03.09 | SynrG | before you go adventuring some more |
| 14:03.13 | hypermist | i need one cause i feel so sick right now. :( |
| 14:03.20 | SynrG | relax and enjoy your success for a while before you go wrecking things ;) |
| 14:03.24 | SynrG | you deserve it |
| 14:03.35 | hypermist | I just dont trust myself doing anything |
| 14:03.40 | hypermist | Cause im a dangerous person |
| 14:03.41 | User50 | E: Unable to locate package hi i get this error in debian |
| 14:03.43 | SynrG | hehe |
| 14:03.45 | SynrG | no wonder |
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| 14:04.01 | hypermist | I touch 1 thing and all hell breaks loose :( |
| 14:04.21 | User50 | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official i386 xfce-CD Binary-1 2$ |
| 14:04.22 | User50 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.24 | User50 | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.1.0 _Jessie_ - Official i386 xfce-CD Binary-1 20$ |
| 14:04.25 | User50 | # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: |
| 14:04.27 | User50 | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 14:04.28 | User50 | # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: |
| 14:04.30 | User50 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 14:04.31 | User50 | # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
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| 14:04.33 | User50 | # A network mirror was not selected during install. The following entries |
| 14:04.34 | User50 | # are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate |
| 14:04.36 | hypermist | Lol. |
| 14:04.36 | User50 | # for your mirror of choice. |
| 14:04.37 | User50 | # |
| 14:04.38 | hypermist | +q |
| 14:04.39 | User50 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 14:04.39 | hypermist | :P |
| 14:04.40 | User50 | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 14:04.46 | SynrG | User50: stop, stop, stop! |
| 14:04.49 | SynrG | !paste |
| 14:04.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:05.01 | jissodata | pastebin |
| 14:05.09 | User50 | i get this error what to do? |
| 14:05.17 | jvdm | lol. |
| 14:05.19 | User50 | E: Unable to locate package |
| 14:05.49 | SynrG | User50: your sources.list is broken. please paste it at paste.debian.net where we can see it properly |
| 14:05.59 | hypermist | that error is self explanatory isnt it ? |
| 14:06.00 | hypermist | Lel |
| 14:06.03 | SynrG | User50: looks like you're missing the line for main |
| 14:06.23 | hypermist | Les hope it boots into debian now SynrG haha |
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| 14:06.39 | SynrG | hypermist: i have a good feeling about that. but knock on wood :) |
| 14:06.39 | User50 | https://paste.debian.net/309578/ |
| 14:06.55 | User50 | this is surces.list |
| 14:07.01 | SynrG | User50: you have a jessie-updates line, but not jessie |
| 14:07.10 | hypermist | +1 it did boot into debian mate SynrG :D |
| 14:07.37 | SynrG | !tell User50 about jessie sources.list |
| 14:07.43 | jissodata | it looks like only "security-update" and "update" |
| 14:07.53 | SynrG | yep. completely missing the main repo |
| 14:08.14 | SynrG | hypermist: woohoo! |
| 14:08.33 | hypermist | Progress. now i gotta install it |
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| 14:09.54 | SynrG | hypermist: i'm serious about that bubble bath :) |
| 14:10.01 | SynrG | (or whatever you do for relaxation) |
| 14:10.04 | hypermist | SynrG, we dont haz bubbles |
| 14:10.05 | hypermist | D: |
| 14:10.24 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: debian supports uefi? |
| 14:10.28 | SynrG | yes |
| 14:10.29 | User50 | hehe i just wanted to uninstall debian for this stupid problem thanks |
| 14:10.29 | SynrG | !uefi |
| 14:10.29 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 14:10.55 | DoctorD90 | and 32bit? |
| 14:11.11 | SynrG | User50: so can you see how to fix it now? the factoid dpkg bot sent you has the details |
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| 14:11.33 | DoctorD90 | why only on 64? xD ...because uefi is after 64, so if uefi= 64bit too? |
| 14:11.39 | jissodata | User50: https://paste.debian.net/309580/ |
| 14:11.42 | SynrG | is there UEFI on 32 bit? |
| 14:11.51 | SynrG | i really don't know. |
| 14:11.52 | DoctorD90 | i dont know :P |
| 14:11.54 | jissodata | UEFI on 32bit? |
| 14:11.55 | SynrG | that would be a strange animal |
| 14:12.01 | User50 | yes problem solved thx |
| 14:12.07 | SynrG | User50: excellent! |
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| 14:12.45 | jissodata | it mean you machine enabled "Secureboot" |
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| 14:13.33 | hypermist | hmm so thats why debian likes internet on install SynrG |
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| 14:13.33 | hypermist | xD |
| 14:13.42 | hypermist | im apparnetly missing a firmware |
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| 14:14.40 | hypermist | so that installation iso is DED |
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| 14:14.50 | SynrG | ah ... you can get an unofficial one |
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| 14:15.04 | DoctorD90 | i have yo understand better bios/efi/uefi stuff to produce a multi supported iso :( |
| 14:15.20 | hypermist | SynrG, or download an iso that works |
| 14:15.21 | hypermist | Hehe |
| 14:15.39 | SynrG | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/ |
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| 14:16.04 | SynrG | hypermist: take your pick. bittorrent or direct download, various flavours there |
| 14:16.18 | hypermist | bittorrent one is nice |
| 14:16.46 | hypermist | they are netinstalls ? |
| 14:17.06 | SynrG | umm. there should be others ... dunno if anything but netinst is on bittorrent :/ |
| 14:17.18 | SynrG | i know we have torrents of the mate live images |
| 14:17.36 | hypermist | all those ones in that link you just provided |
| 14:17.40 | hypermist | Are all netisnt |
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| 14:17.44 | markybob | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 14:17.47 | markybob | hypermist, nope |
| 14:18.05 | SynrG | hypermist: here ya go: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-mate-desktop+nonfree.iso.torrent |
| 14:18.05 | hypermist | markybob, i said the link SynrG provided |
| 14:18.15 | SynrG | hypermist: that one is live. just use 'Install' option from boot menu |
| 14:18.18 | hypermist | tty SynrG |
| 14:18.35 | hypermist | I feel like a noob because i use debian on both of my vps's daily |
| 14:18.36 | hypermist | ._. |
| 14:19.03 | SynrG | i think DVD-1 would do it too, as markybob said, but is bigger (?) |
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| 14:19.24 | SynrG | 3.7G ... |
| 14:19.34 | hypermist | Yea 10years later |
| 14:19.35 | hypermist | hehe |
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| 14:19.55 | SynrG | vs. the mate live image, which is 1.1G |
| 14:19.56 | markybob | if size is a problem what did you have against netinst? |
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| 14:20.03 | SynrG | no network |
| 14:20.23 | SynrG | markybob: the person who can authorize his system to connect to the net is asleep/otherwise unavailable until after the install |
| 14:20.25 | markybob | oh. good luck with that. i always have to plugin to the wall and then fix wifi |
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| 14:20.37 | markybob | i see |
| 14:20.45 | stiky | what do you see |
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| 14:20.53 | hypermist | Just need the mac addr and the ip of the machine and then he can auth it heh |
| 14:21.15 | SynrG | stiky: i see a person who hasn't asked a support question yet: |
| 14:21.17 | SynrG | !ask |
| 14:21.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:23.17 | unborn | SynrG, - I can see you are bored :) |
| 14:23.30 | hypermist | Lel SynrG this feels sad. its not downloading |
| 14:23.31 | hypermist | :9 |
| 14:24.41 | stiky | SynrG: Openvpn. I cant connect it says on my end Im timing out but on the other end it shows multiple errors . |
| 14:24.49 | jissodata | if have usb, extract firmware.zip to usb and connect the usb after cd /dvd boot. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/stable/current/ |
| 14:25.00 | stiky | how do i import the .ovpn? |
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| 14:25.22 | SynrG | hypermist: slow to find seeds? |
| 14:25.29 | hypermist | SynrG, yea 0 seeders |
| 14:25.35 | SynrG | sigh |
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| 14:25.46 | SynrG | well, do a direct download, then, from the iso-hybrid dir |
| 14:26.17 | head8debian | How would i upgrade my system from backports without everything breaking? Im mainly looking to upgrade my kernel. |
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| 14:26.57 | mtn | !debian-backports |
| 14:26.57 | SynrG | well, you could experimentally change your sources.list and do the apt-get dist-upgrade *without* saying "y" to continue |
| 14:26.58 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 14:27.10 | SynrG | and then you would see just exactly how bad of an upgrade it would be |
| 14:27.11 | hypermist | downloading directly |
| 14:27.17 | hypermist | Lets hope this doesnt take 15hrs SynrG haha |
| 14:27.40 | SynrG | hypermist: our image servers are pretty good. are you very distant from it networkwise? |
| 14:27.51 | hypermist | Im in newzealand |
| 14:27.59 | SynrG | oy |
| 14:28.10 | hypermist | with horrible adsl |
| 14:28.17 | SynrG | we do have mirrors around the world ... |
| 14:28.22 | SynrG | some of them host images. |
| 14:28.27 | hypermist | yea its going nicely atm |
| 14:28.31 | hypermist | lets hope i dont curse it ;D |
| 14:28.39 | SynrG | !tell hypermist about mirrors |
| 14:28.46 | unborn | hypermist, be great for torrents you are downloading.. you downloading from people who care and share - so speed should be regardless - never lol on it.. otherwise you would have to re-write your issues by your self. |
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| 14:29.09 | hypermist | shh |
| 14:29.11 | hypermist | ahh * |
| 14:29.26 | head8debian | SynrG: Eww https://paste.debian.net/309586/ |
| 14:29.30 | jissodata | hypermist: some provider limit bittorrents speed |
| 14:29.58 | head8debian | I have way more packages installed than i need. |
| 14:30.02 | hypermist | nah cause i downloaded another one from debian themself and it came in at 1mb/s |
| 14:30.10 | SynrG | head8debian: no no no ... |
| 14:30.17 | SynrG | head8debian: you don't dist-upgrade to jessie-backports! |
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| 14:30.24 | SynrG | it doesn't work like that |
| 14:30.36 | SynrG | you pick and choose individual packages as needed. |
| 14:30.44 | head8debian | SynrG: I know, i just wanted to see all the packages. ;) |
| 14:30.45 | SynrG | the default apt policy prevents upgrades |
| 14:30.52 | jissodata | it means the image is very minor |
| 14:31.04 | SynrG | whew. ok |
| 14:31.12 | SynrG | head8debian: otherwise, that's not a very nice thing to do :) |
| 14:32.03 | SynrG | well, backports are done on an as-needed basis, and some things are much harder to backport due to deep dependency trees |
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| 14:32.20 | SynrG | so yes, you have a fraction of the archive available. but it's much larger than that paste represents. |
| 14:32.45 | SynrG | really, all that should matter is, does it have the newer things *you need* |
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| 14:33.03 | head8debian | SynrG: So, like this? Or am i missing something yet? https://paste.debian.net/309587/ |
| 14:33.49 | SynrG | head8debian: perfect. unless you need headers too for out-of-tree kernel modules |
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| 14:34.18 | head8debian | SynrG: probably. |
| 14:34.33 | SynrG | in which case repeat, s/-image/-headers/ |
| 14:34.41 | head8debian | SynrG: And what happens after you upgrade? Will i have to upgrade my kernel manually from now on? |
| 14:34.54 | head8debian | In this manner. |
| 14:36.40 | SynrG | head8debian: once you've done an install from backports, upgrades should happen from backports from then on, is my understanding |
| 14:36.44 | head8debian | Maybe i should just stick with what i have... it sounds like it could get messy. |
| 14:37.35 | SynrG | generally running kernel from backports tends to be trouble-free |
| 14:37.59 | head8debian | Yes, but i want more than just the kernel. |
| 14:38.10 | head8debian | It appears there is a newer graphics driver,etc. |
| 14:38.28 | head8debian | Let me do some more looking. :) |
| 14:38.29 | SynrG | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports |
| 14:38.38 | SynrG | "Only manually installed older packages from jessie-backports are upgraded to newer ones from jessie-backports." |
| 14:38.58 | head8debian | But, i do have another PC which could use a moinmoin backport update. |
| 14:38.58 | SynrG | head8debian: so once you've installed via -t jessie-backports, upgrades happen automatically from then on, as i just said |
| 14:39.03 | head8debian | Ok. |
| 14:39.26 | SynrG | backports tend not to be done of Xorg |
| 14:39.31 | SynrG | it's one of those big, hairy ones |
| 14:39.44 | SynrG | backports *do* tend to be done of the non-free graphics drivers, though |
| 14:40.22 | head8debian | SO i see. |
| 14:40.37 | head8debian | Which is not really what i was looking for. oh well. |
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| 14:41.10 | pawlik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:42.13 | SynrG | head8debian: so in the same way (and i think i mentioned over on #debian-next) you could do an exploratory dist-upgrade but not confirm it, with sources.list changed to stretch to see how horrible an upgrade it would be :) |
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| 14:43.27 | SynrG | head8debian: another option which takes a bit more work to set up, but might suit you, is to do a dual-boot stable + testing or so |
| 14:43.44 | SynrG | or try building a live image of testing. |
| 14:44.26 | head8debian | good idea. |
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| 14:45.39 | SynrG | i haven't recently given it a go, but there's a web builder for live images here: http://cgi.build.live-systems.org/cgi-bin/live-build ... curious, currently there's no 'stretch' option |
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| 14:46.23 | SynrG | head8debian: change the distribution to 'sid', advanced bootstrap > architectures to amd64, and advanced chroot linux-flavours > amd64. |
| 14:46.36 | SynrG | and select config "Mate desktop" |
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| 14:46.48 | SynrG | or whatever desktop you want. sorry ... confused you with the other guy ... |
| 14:46.54 | SynrG | hypermist: |
| 14:46.57 | head8debian | :-) |
| 14:47.22 | SynrG | head8debian: if you have issues, see us on #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net |
| 14:47.35 | head8debian | SynrG: Yep, thanks. |
| 14:47.43 | SynrG | or drop us an email on our mailing list (address at bottom) |
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| 14:48.08 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: it packages many 'useless' stuff without ask anything |
| 14:48.19 | SynrG | DoctorD90: which? what? |
| 14:48.28 | DoctorD90 | bind9 is one that i remember :P |
| 14:48.28 | hypermist | SynrG, haha |
| 14:48.32 | DoctorD90 | the live build |
| 14:48.37 | DoctorD90 | online* |
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| 14:48.58 | hypermist | did i get into your mind that quick SynrG :p |
| 14:49.02 | SynrG | DoctorD90: the web one? it tries to stick as closely as possible to what the installer would install |
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| 14:49.36 | ehute | hey guys, im onphone |
| 14:49.55 | DoctorD90 | yes SynrG ....i have used it for the first time less then a month.ago....bind9 what does it used for on a medium user pc? :P |
| 14:49.57 | ehute | i was wondering if someone could help me iwth getting wpa.confs into the interfaces file |
| 14:50.10 | ehute | trying to find it on my little phone is hell |
| 14:50.39 | SynrG | hypermist: hard to keep all these balls in the air |
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| 14:50.51 | hypermist | SynrG, ;D |
| 14:51.11 | DoctorD90 | a 'funny' step with all package that will be shipped, and possible to add other would be very usefull on online creator :P |
| 14:51.34 | SynrG | ehute: ugh. you've chosen the "hard way". i usually just use network-manager for that ... but if you insist ... |
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| 14:51.50 | ehute | i dont hae it, and i cant get it without a network, hehehe |
| 14:51.52 | SynrG | ehute: where are you stucK? |
| 14:52.32 | SynrG | ehute: do you at least have wireless-tools and wpasupplicant installed? |
| 14:52.42 | SynrG | ehute: does the network have encryption, or is it open? |
| 14:52.47 | ehute | i have wpaupplicant yes |
| 14:52.51 | ehute | wpa |
| 14:53.09 | ehute | used passphrase, i remember getting it to work with conf files |
| 14:53.13 | SynrG | wpa? |
| 14:53.23 | ehute | not sure how to stick it in interfaces directly |
| 14:53.29 | ehute | psk |
| 14:53.40 | SynrG | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
| 14:53.44 | SynrG | ^^ follow that |
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| 14:54.50 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: debian use grub2 ? |
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| 14:55.36 | SynrG | DoctorD90: yes |
| 14:56.05 | SynrG | DoctorD90: bind9 is overkill for the average pc |
| 14:56.22 | SynrG | (answering out of sequence ... i can't keep up with the onslaught of questions from you :) |
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| 14:56.53 | shay_shay | I use dnsmasq at home we have maybe 10 devices |
| 14:56.59 | DoctorD90 | bind9 if i remembet well is under lxde from online live build |
| 14:57.10 | shay_shay | nope |
| 14:57.26 | DoctorD90 | dont deeply understood, but if i made too many questions, really sorry |
| 14:57.59 | SynrG | DoctorD90: oh, right. you were saying in response to "what useless software". gotcha |
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| 14:58.15 | SynrG | DoctorD90: we don't make those choices. the debian installer team does |
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| 14:58.41 | SynrG | if you think you have found on a live image software that the equivalent installer image does not include, let me know |
| 14:59.02 | SynrG | all we do is install the metapackages for 'standard', and for each of the desktop flavours |
| 14:59.17 | DoctorD90 | eh....but if you may tell them something "redraw vision about packages.under livebuild online creator" would be very good advise :P |
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| 14:59.24 | SynrG | maybe the laptop and printer metapackages too. i forget. |
| 14:59.49 | SynrG | what? i don't understand your recommendation |
| 15:00.00 | SynrG | i don't think they should consult with live team at all |
| 15:00.27 | SynrG | they should decide what debian users should be provided with by default, and we, the live team, should give a live version of that. |
| 15:00.43 | SynrG | if you have some other vision for your live image, make it properly with live-build, not the web builder |
| 15:00.50 | DoctorD90 | im in 'summer time' so i havent wifi to download and check these difference...but i just know that view the base packages shipped with livebuild tool online, would be good |
| 15:00.58 | SynrG | the web builder is a "cheat" for people who can't be arsed to learn the proper toolset |
| 15:01.16 | SynrG | sounds like you have very specific needs so the web builder is not suitable for you |
| 15:01.29 | SynrG | feel free to join #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net and become edumacated ;) |
| 15:01.43 | DoctorD90 | no, i mean,web tool is great...but a feature to.just know/choice package installed would be greate |
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| 15:01.55 | SynrG | not really. it would cause support headaches |
| 15:02.04 | DoctorD90 | ah ...for this |
| 15:02.05 | SynrG | we'd have to discontinue the service if it ate up all our time |
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| 15:02.21 | DoctorD90 | understood |
| 15:02.38 | DoctorD90 | for this im learning from scratch |
| 15:02.49 | SynrG | yep. live-build is an awesome tool. very flexible |
| 15:02.56 | SynrG | should be able to make exactly the kind of image you want |
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| 15:03.08 | DoctorD90 | so at the end, when i read docs, will be much clear for me what docs want to say :) |
| 15:03.38 | SynrG | when it comes time and you want to learn, ping me on #debian-live :) |
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| 15:04.07 | DoctorD90 | i want develop a totally debian iso customized, with only certainpackghe |
| 15:04.24 | DoctorD90 | sure....im learning many stuff in these days :) |
| 15:05.04 | SynrG | DoctorD90: and also, make sure you read the appropriate version of live-manual for the version of live-build you're using. i put a lot of effort into making that manual |
| 15:05.22 | SynrG | so i don't have to explain everything on irc ;) |
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| 15:06.21 | SynrG | (i'd be remiss not to also acknowledge all the others who put work into it too) |
| 15:06.42 | unborn | DoctorD90, what DE you are looking for to use in your customized deb distro? |
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| 15:07.25 | ehute | yeah, im still having trouble even given those docs |
| 15:07.40 | ehute | not sure why |
| 15:07.42 | SynrG | just some standard advice i give out to people who want to "make a distro". this makes sense only when you have a very specific audience in mind with specific needs not met by general distros. it's generally harder than it looks to provide good support. |
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| 15:07.50 | ehute | i can provide any relevant info though |
| 15:07.57 | SynrG | be sure you don't underestimate the cost of supporting them |
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| 15:08.44 | SynrG | ehute: well, i know there are some common newbie pitfalls and can help navigate past those if you have specific issues |
| 15:08.53 | DoctorD90 | unborn: at my university some friend ask me 'have you reply at paypal update user-core confirmng your account as alive sending them your data?' ...due to this i want.... |
| 15:09.03 | ehute | justthta i dont get dhcp offers when i ifup |
| 15:09.04 | SynrG | the software tends to be unforgiving to providing incompatible options |
| 15:09.13 | ehute | that* |
| 15:09.16 | ehute | phone keyboard |
| 15:09.21 | SynrG | you don't get to see that you built it wrong until a lengthy build |
| 15:09.35 | SynrG | and then it's not always obvious why your customization failed |
| 15:09.35 | DoctorD90 | create a distro as simple as possible, not very different from well knwoleged window |
| 15:09.56 | DoctorD90 | as windows* |
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| 15:10.27 | SynrG | ehute: oops, are we talking about wpa in /etc/network/interfaces? sorry, i muddled your question ... |
| 15:10.32 | DoctorD90 | and giving to student of 'economy' the rigth software to manage data in.full secure way |
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| 15:10.57 | SynrG | ehute: you generated the hash for your passphrase and put it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:11.07 | ehute | yes |
| 15:11.09 | SynrG | ehute: be sure you do it exactly as shown, i.e. quotes not needed. |
| 15:11.21 | ehute | there is a space in the ssid |
| 15:11.32 | ehute | quotes there i assume |
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| 15:11.41 | DoctorD90 | SynrG: i dont go to create scenarios like kali.....i will not edit debian source...i will just create a sort of 'mega metapackets' ready to be runned under live :) |
| 15:11.54 | SynrG | ehute: you assume incorrectly ... i think |
| 15:12.55 | DoctorD90 | so if people say 'issue with DE, they may go on that 'DE' channel.asking for support |
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| 15:13.20 | DoctorD90 | my support will be to sendibilize people to manage THEIR OWN data in.a secure way |
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| 15:13.34 | DoctorD90 | not to break other system :) |
| 15:13.38 | SynrG | DoctorD90: yes, this sort of "Debian plus" distro is easiest. nevertheless, if you make yourself the provider of the image, you drive a wedge between yourself and the general debian support community |
| 15:14.10 | SynrG | generally debian will disavow knowledge of you. as we cannot know what changes you made to our defaults ... even if you did nothing but use default debian sources. |
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| 15:14.45 | SynrG | it's a necessary evil. it is very easy to break things when trying to make a "smarter" debian for your use case. |
| 15:15.01 | SynrG | and then you own the full cost of support to your user base, acting as a proxy |
| 15:15.13 | SynrG | that's what i meant by "don't underestimate the cost" |
| 15:15.18 | mutante | maybe all you want is make a meta package that installs all your software |
| 15:16.39 | mutante | DoctorD90: you can have "apt-get intstall doctord90" and have it pull all the packages you want by making a meta package. https://wiki.debian.org/metapackage |
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| 15:17.19 | hypermist | SynrG, how to get past the, network instance |
| 15:17.38 | hypermist | probably a stoopid question |
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| 15:18.10 | hypermist | actually dont answer that SynrG |
| 15:18.40 | DoctorD90 | mutante: nope...first of all, i go to create a duplicate of released debian iso, just getting out 'useless' software adding other....nothing less is my target :) but my target is a live only system, without posdibility to install it :) |
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| 15:19.33 | DoctorD90 | in live at each boot, im sure that it is a 'safe' place without viruses. after some uses, an installed system even if rebooted may ne compromised :) |
| 15:19.37 | DoctorD90 | be* |
| 15:19.38 | mutante | DoctorD90: i understand about the live system. about the iso having useless software i would never care because i always install from netinstall image and just get from the net what i want |
| 15:19.48 | DoctorD90 | i base my idea on that :) |
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| 15:20.18 | DoctorD90 | btw i surely give support to people that need it :) |
| 15:20.43 | mutante | DoctorD90: http://live-build.debian.net/ fixed |
| 15:21.07 | DoctorD90 | but without go far from real debian....i will not use my own repo....official stable only u.u |
| 15:21.10 | unborn | DoctorD90, are you from usa? :) |
| 15:21.11 | mutante | DoctorD90: https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-custom-debian-live-cd-through-the-web/ |
| 15:21.37 | DoctorD90 | unborn: italy...my bad english show it xD |
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| 15:21.58 | DoctorD90 | mutante: maybe.....i go to read...(maybe i have yet read xD link is familar) |
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| 15:23.39 | unborn | DoctorD90, your english is perfect! never be shy for another language :) - you do great support lever you know that? |
| 15:23.50 | hypermist | DoctorD90, for someone from ital i feel like your damn english is better than mine and im native to english' |
| 15:23.51 | hypermist | ;_; |
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| 15:24.10 | SynrG | is out ... for a bit :) nomming some nachos |
| 15:24.17 | hypermist | SynrG, GIMMIE |
| 15:24.19 | hypermist | I lub nachos |
| 15:24.20 | hypermist | D: |
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| 15:24.30 | SynrG | (watching, but not necessarily answering ... greasy fingers!) |
| 15:24.50 | hypermist | BLARGH stop making me hungry haha |
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| 15:27.29 | DoctorD90 | 1. ...thx...really thx.... 2.xD is the first time someone tells me that...thx... 3.mutante as it is rigth...my phone browser is crashed....thx for link! i will read from tablet :P ...for now i have booted up and get terminal and lxde env to.....all thanks to a guide under ubuntu..... when i will fully understand, i will try to write a basic guide on debian too |
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| 15:27.50 | DoctorD90 | because many guide use old packages, old settings, and so on.. |
| 15:27.56 | DoctorD90 | but thx for link :) |
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| 15:30.57 | hypermist | this is awkward debian went to sleep |
| 15:31.00 | hypermist | now i can't login |
| 15:31.02 | hypermist | WHYYY D: |
| 15:31.31 | hypermist | it went to sleep iirc in the middle of installing |
| 15:31.31 | hypermist | :( |
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| 15:32.13 | cosmo | your 'puter was plugged in? |
| 15:32.18 | hypermist | cosmo, yes |
| 15:32.43 | hypermist | but using my username and password they dont work |
| 15:32.43 | hypermist | :\ |
| 15:32.45 | cosmo | funky |
| 15:32.57 | cosmo | if it happened in the middle of installing just try again |
| 15:33.15 | hypermist | but problem is i dont know if its still installing |
| 15:33.16 | hypermist | :| |
| 15:33.59 | cosmo | huh? why would it be if it gives you a login prompt? i'm no expert here, maybe wait for some other advice. |
| 15:34.53 | cosmo | if i were you i'd just load a live instance of ubuntu, clear the harddrive partition you installed debian on using gparted, then try again and hope the install process completes this time. |
| 15:35.36 | hypermist | it might have completed But me not watching didn't help |
| 15:35.36 | hypermist | xD |
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| 15:36.05 | hypermist | it must be doing something cause 1 user is still logged in |
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| 15:36.59 | SynrG | hypermist: user/live |
| 15:37.19 | SynrG | hypermist: sorry. that shouldn't actually happen. i guess it's an issue with that particular desktop flavour |
| 15:37.29 | hypermist | ah ty SynrG |
| 15:37.31 | SynrG | locking is *supposed* to be disabled on all live images |
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| 15:37.56 | SynrG | also, i said "select the Install option from the boot menu" ... |
| 15:37.59 | hypermist | grub didn't install SynrG :( |
| 15:38.04 | SynrG | but i guess you used the installer launcher instead |
| 15:38.07 | SynrG | there are issues with that |
| 15:38.10 | SynrG | like ... grub :) |
| 15:38.13 | hypermist | lel |
| 15:38.16 | hypermist | lemme restart |
| 15:38.17 | hypermist | Kek |
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| 15:38.48 | SynrG | in fact, there are so many issues with the launcher i actually recommended it be removed in the next release if the issues aren't going to be sorted out for stretch. |
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| 15:39.55 | SynrG | i'm not exactly sure which use cases the launcher would be a better option for ... |
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| 15:40.24 | SynrG | if people could explain to me exactly why it's needed, then maybe it would be worth investing the effort into saving it |
| 15:41.27 | DoctorD90 | afk :P |
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| 15:41.58 | SynrG | ehute: did it work without the quotes? |
| 15:42.08 | ehute | no |
| 15:42.17 | ehute | i didnt want to overwhelm you though |
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| 15:44.07 | SynrG | ehute: is it possible your chipset needs firmware and you haven't installed it? |
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| 15:44.19 | SynrG | ehute: dmesg | grep firmware |
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| 15:44.45 | SynrG | ehute: dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 15:44.46 | ehute | no, ive connected elsewhere |
| 15:44.49 | ehute | in wep |
| 15:44.53 | SynrG | hmm |
| 15:45.13 | ehute | i have a ssid called "The Motherload" |
| 15:45.23 | ehute | a 8 digit password |
| 15:45.25 | hypermist | Thats what she said |
| 15:45.25 | hypermist | Lel |
| 15:45.48 | hypermist | one i get debian installed i have no idea what im gunna do with it |
| 15:45.48 | SynrG | keep it mildly family-friendly |
| 15:45.48 | hypermist | :| |
| 15:45.53 | hypermist | sorry |
| 15:45.53 | hypermist | XD |
| 15:45.55 | ehute | nobody knows anything about the auth,scans say its psk |
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| 15:47.16 | SynrG | ehute: so just to be perfectly clear, you did run 'wpa_passphrase myssid passphrase'? in this case, i'm pretty sure you *do* need quotes around myssid if it has a space. |
| 15:47.27 | hypermist | Yay my track pad is disabled but it lets me click |
| 15:47.30 | ehute | yep |
| 15:47.32 | hypermist | WHY. does things have to do this to me |
| 15:47.33 | hypermist | :( |
| 15:47.50 | SynrG | ehute: and the output of the network stanza would confirm it, because otherwise essid would only contain the first word |
| 15:48.23 | SynrG | ehute: and you didn't screw up and use wrong punctuation in the network stanza. i.e. it's a space, not equals-sign ... |
| 15:48.35 | SynrG | wpa-ssid myssid |
| 15:48.48 | SynrG | wpa-psk hashofthepassphrase |
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| 15:49.07 | ehute | correct SynrG |
| 15:50.08 | SynrG | ehute: and nothing in dmesg that gives clues *why* you get no DHCP responses? or in syslog? sigh ... |
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| 15:50.13 | SynrG | ehute: i'm running out of ideas here |
| 15:50.20 | SynrG | anyone else? :) |
| 15:50.27 | SynrG | really, NM is so much easier |
| 15:50.46 | ehute | i simply dont have nm after a netinstall from way back when :( |
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| 15:51.06 | SynrG | ehute: i would put network-manager-gnome, network-manager and any other deps needed on a USB and sneakernet it over |
| 15:51.18 | SynrG | then nuke all the stuff from /etc/network/interfaces dealing with wlan0 |
| 15:51.45 | ehute | i guess i will |
| 15:51.50 | ehute | thanks for your patience SynrG |
| 15:52.00 | ehute | youre a trooper |
| 15:52.36 | SynrG | sorry it didn't work out. the one and only time i set up a machine without it, i configured wpa_supplicant and used "roaming" as per instructions in the readme |
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| 15:52.46 | SynrG | but that was aeons ago |
| 15:52.51 | hypermist | debian i think finally installed SynrG |
| 15:52.57 | SynrG | and tended to fail in certain corner cases where NM succeeded |
| 15:52.58 | hypermist | yop it did |
| 15:52.59 | hypermist | :D |
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| 15:53.06 | SynrG | (certain cafes had wireless that it hated) |
| 15:53.17 | SynrG | hypermist: woohoo! |
| 15:53.24 | hypermist | only took 2 days |
| 15:53.25 | hypermist | :p |
| 15:53.28 | hypermist | to get it working |
| 15:53.29 | hypermist | :\ |
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| 15:54.38 | hypermist | question SynrG how to format a usb without anything else required does debian mate have one built in |
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| 15:56.16 | echo083 | hello |
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| 15:56.50 | markybob | hypermist, for use in...? which format? |
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| 15:57.15 | hypermist | markybob, dont know. lol all i know is debian isnt mounting it because its write protected. |
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| 15:58.54 | AfterDark | I love it when aptitude is like "there's a dependency problem, we should uninstall half your system to fix it" |
| 15:59.11 | markybob | hypermist, anyway...mkfs.ext4 or mkfs.ntfs (for use in windows) or mkfs.whatever. if you want a gui use gparted. |
| 15:59.49 | hypermist | i can't mount the usb in windows or debian |
| 15:59.55 | SynrG | off to do a family hike / berry picking adventure |
| 16:00.13 | hypermist | SynrG, dont pick the wrong berries, and also have fun |
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| 16:00.18 | SynrG | hypermist: for formatting the usb, i would normally put a dos filesystem on it ... |
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| 16:00.25 | SynrG | hypermist: mkdosfs /dev/blahblah |
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| 16:00.37 | SynrG | hypermist: doesn't even need a partition table if you're just using it for data |
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| 16:00.42 | SynrG | (file size <=4G) |
| 16:01.00 | hypermist | SynrG, how am i meant to format something that doesnt mount |
| 16:01.06 | SynrG | huckleberries, blueberries today. hard to mistake those for anything :) |
| 16:01.09 | Amun_Ra | so called super floppy |
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| 16:01.19 | SynrG | you don't need to mount it |
| 16:01.33 | SynrG | in fact, mounting it is exactly what you *don't* want to do if you're formatting it |
| 16:01.36 | hypermist | well i dont see /dev/(namehere) in the system monitor |
| 16:01.46 | SynrG | ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 16:01.46 | hypermist | i only see main hdd |
| 16:02.02 | SynrG | should be something with 'USB' in the name |
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| 16:02.19 | SynrG | i'm outta here. hopefully you solve this :) |
| 16:02.20 | SynrG | later |
| 16:02.35 | hypermist | i see ../../sdb |
| 16:03.17 | hypermist | so is it safe to do mkdosfs /dev/sdb |
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| 16:04.41 | hypermist | Looks like i dont have mkdosfs or mkfs |
| 16:04.42 | hypermist | lol |
| 16:05.15 | hypermist | oh root thats right |
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| 16:06.46 | shay_shay | always remember /sbin |
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| 16:11.10 | echo083 | someone know how to correct this message : microcode: firmware: failed to load intel-ucode/06-17-0a ? |
| 16:13.45 | hexnewbie | echo083: It's part of the intel-microcode package |
| 16:14.03 | echo083 | hexnewbie, i tried to install it but it still displays the message |
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| 16:14.39 | TTT | hi, is anyone running on ARM? I have an arm device on which binaries say they are EABI4 binaries. I tried building some stuff for it from uclibc buildroot, and it produced EABI5 binaries |
| 16:15.03 | TTT | how do I configure my build to produce EABI4 binaries? Is this related to some library versions? GCC switch? |
| 16:17.12 | hexnewbie | echo083: Is the file (/lib/firmware/intel-ucode/06-17-0a) there? Which distro are you on? |
| 16:17.23 | echo083 | hexagoxel, debian wheezy |
| 16:17.39 | echo083 | hexnewbie, debian wheezy sorry i'm looking for a manual microcode update |
| 16:17.46 | echo083 | hexnewbie, i think it will fix the message |
| 16:18.16 | hexnewbie | echo083: packages.debian.org insists that Wheezy has that file: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/intel-microcode/filelist |
| 16:18.38 | echo083 | hexnewbie, yes i agree for an unknown reason he can't load it |
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| 16:22.31 | hypermist | the usb im trying to format can't be formatted cause its in read only mode |
| 16:22.35 | hypermist | the hell am i meant to xD |
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| 16:29.47 | hypermist | cause i can't figure it out |
| 16:29.49 | hypermist | Please help |
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| 16:31.04 | TTT | hypermist, is your USB read-write? I mean, does it have a "write protected" switch on it or something? |
| 16:31.08 | markybob | hypermist, some usb drives have a little switch on then |
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| 16:31.19 | hypermist | TTT, its fullly enclosed |
| 16:31.21 | TTT | is it an USB key you bought, or got from some conference with some garbage on it? |
| 16:31.35 | TTT | i.e. is it a normal USB, or some weird device they give out for free? |
| 16:31.37 | hypermist | its a usb that i bought |
| 16:31.39 | TTT | with certain info |
| 16:31.40 | TTT | ok |
| 16:31.40 | TTT | hmm |
| 16:31.43 | TTT | are you root? |
| 16:32.22 | hypermist | TTT, yep |
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| 16:33.19 | TTT | can you format it from windows? or you don't have windows installed to try? |
| 16:33.24 | TTT | is it partitioned? |
| 16:33.39 | hypermist | i have windows installed thats waht im using right now |
| 16:33.54 | hypermist | it got write protected by win32diskiamger |
| 16:34.02 | hypermist | and i havent been able to un write protect it since |
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| 16:35.08 | TTT | hm |
| 16:36.39 | voidstar | windows is going to have to fix that. I've had the same issue. run cmd as administrator and diskpart |
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| 16:36.59 | hypermist | tell me the specific command please voidstar |
| 16:37.21 | voidstar | googles for you |
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| 16:38.02 | TTT | not sure, I've never had that. I assume it's some flag in the partition table, I'd repartition the whole device and see if that helps |
| 16:38.54 | voidstar | http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/storage/how-erase-write-protected-usb-drive-or-sd-card-3456666/ second result. scroll down to "removing write-protection using diskpart" |
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| 16:39.46 | voidstar | TTT, this is the only way I know how to fix it. I've done my fair share of configuring in linux to do so. havent had it happen in a while though because, winblows.. |
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| 16:41.39 | ctmjr | awl_display_key_active $Q%K|$N%n $H%U$C%n$S |
| 16:41.51 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.03 | hypermist | Lol voidstar DISKPART> clean |
| 16:42.04 | pawlik | . |
| 16:42.04 | hypermist | DiskPart has encountered an error: The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error. |
| 16:42.04 | hypermist | See the System Event Log for more information. |
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| 16:42.58 | voidstar | pretty sure that article didn't say to clean. but user knows best |
| 16:43.09 | TTT | hypermist, are you operating on raw device (/dev/sdc) or on a partition (/dev/sdc1) |
| 16:43.18 | hypermist | TTT, im on windows now |
| 16:43.20 | TTT | ah |
| 16:43.22 | hypermist | voidstar, it did |
| 16:43.42 | hypermist | so since i cant clean |
| 16:43.47 | hypermist | guess it must be the end of the usb.. |
| 16:44.13 | TTT | hmm |
| 16:44.23 | TTT | or we're doing something wrong |
| 16:44.54 | mutante | I/O device error sounds like broken hardware though |
| 16:45.32 | mutante | did you check System Event Log as it suggests? |
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| 16:50.19 | hypermist | can't seem to find the error mutante |
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| 17:04.25 | jhutchins | 1) systemd definitely much slower boot, more that 3x than init. 2) Completely killed my sound, even after I removed pulseaudio. |
| 17:04.42 | jhutchins | 3) Reports networking disabled (I'm on that system). |
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| 17:07.40 | Filystyn | guys how do i install libldap 32 bit version if im 64 bit? |
| 17:08.00 | hypermist | howell i give up goodnight |
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| 17:08.45 | Filystyn | and accelerated video driver for hadware or what ever this means ;-) |
| 17:09.12 | Filystyn | someone told me this "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) <= that's basically using your CPU as GPU" |
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| 17:09.40 | Amun_Ra | Filystyn: google debian multiarch |
| 17:10.27 | bev_ | Filystyn: add i386 architecture to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:11.03 | somiaj | bev_: not needed in debian. |
| 17:11.07 | somiaj | !multiarch |
| 17:11.08 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 17:11.08 | bev_ | woops, not there |
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| 17:11.25 | somiaj | you need to tell dpkg what forign arches you want to be able to install |
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| 17:12.01 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: The slow boot is usually caused by something that doesn't start (and didn't before), but systemd is now waiting for. I had it happen to me a few times: Once, it was an entry in crypttab I had forgotten, the rest were what I think to be systemd bugs (like waiting for /dev/shm after it is mounted) â I don't recall how I fixed that. |
| 17:13.13 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: You should run `systemd-analyze blame' or `systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/mybootprocess.svg' |
| 17:13.47 | bev_ | just as a quick reminder i have a RAID1 issue, if anyone want to help, I can resend info :) |
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| 17:15.05 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: Thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 17:15.49 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: Could be also related to the networking issue â maybe it's a network interface it's waiting for. |
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| 17:16.59 | Filystyn | Ok i added the i376 |
| 17:17.05 | Filystyn | i386*** |
| 17:17.14 | Filystyn | now what next i did upgrade thats all? |
| 17:17.18 | Filystyn | i can install all 32 bit shit? |
| 17:18.08 | somiaj | Filystyn: with some limitation, but yes apt-get install package:i386 |
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| 17:19.37 | jhutchins | Networking, smb, accounts, alsa, lightdm. systemd wants pure gnome I guess. Not prepared to handle a legacy system. |
| 17:20.11 | somiaj | jhutchins: what do you mean by that? systemd seems to work fine here and I don't use gnome. |
| 17:20.16 | bev_ | i've installed jessie and configured RAID1 (sda1/sdb1) as /home, sdc1 is SWAP sdc2 / and sda sdb are failing, I'm replacing them. |
| 17:20.17 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: Running systemctl would tell you what isn't started (hopefully highlighted) |
| 17:20.31 | jhutchins | somiaj: Do you use a DE? |
| 17:20.45 | somiaj | jhutchins: just a windowmanager |
| 17:20.50 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: lightdm was probably waiting for the networking, together with smb, accounts and perhaps alsa (which would be weird) |
| 17:20.52 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: Seems like everything started, it just took forever. |
| 17:21.08 | bev_ | replacing sdb was done through a dd, which is quite rough, but hey, works or seems to. When i remove sda (in fact the disk), systemd seems to look for md0 and fails |
| 17:21.09 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: Static networking - should be up immediately. |
| 17:21.34 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: Are all interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces present, though? The plot might show more information as well. |
| 17:21.50 | somiaj | jhutchins: you could remove the "quiet" option from /etc/default/grub and see if you get a better idea what is taking time. |
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| 17:21.51 | jhutchins | Only thing that shows failed is gdomap. |
| 17:22.06 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: Just one wired interface. |
| 17:22.08 | somiaj | jhutchins: though hexnewbie seems to know how to better analize systemd so I'd listen to him. (: |
| 17:22.11 | hexnewbie | Yeah, using systemd on Debian gets much better once you get rid of quiet. |
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| 17:22.43 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: Any suggestions on sound? |
| 17:23.02 | Filystyn | pt-get install package:i386ok people i have a problem still unsolved |
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| 17:23.14 | Filystyn | someone told me this "Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) <= that's basically using your CPU as GPU" |
| 17:23.25 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: No. But you can give more information to the channel. If systemd-analyze blame shows ALSA and networking, something is wrong in both. |
| 17:23.50 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: You might look in journalctl for clues. The SVG of `systemd-analyze plot' might also contain something. |
| 17:24.24 | somiaj | systemctl status service is also useful to get logs specific to the service you think is having issues. |
| 17:25.18 | hexnewbie | By the way, I don't *have* an "alsa" service. Perhaps there's an old init script from distributions ago that systemd is trying to start? |
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| 17:25.43 | somiaj | yea, systemd does try to run things in /etc/init.d and old LSBscripts could be causing an issue |
| 17:26.04 | somiaj | alsa did have an init.d script to save/restore settings |
| 17:26.15 | jhutchins | hexnewbie: aumix is what sysctl reports. |
| 17:26.36 | somiaj | jhutchins: if you are using alsa I would remove that, that sounds like old oss package |
| 17:26.46 | hexnewbie | aumix is what I used before ALSA came out... |
| 17:27.21 | jhutchins | Interesting, aptitude doesn't find anything for gdomap... |
| 17:27.57 | hexnewbie | jhutchins: It's part of gnustep-base-runtime |
| 17:28.09 | jhutchins | All packeges up to date... |
| 17:29.01 | somiaj | jhutchins: this is jessie? |
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| 17:29.44 | jhutchins | somiaj: Yes. |
| 17:29.55 | jhutchins | somiaj: Upgraded, probably sequentially from etch. |
| 17:30.30 | jhutchins | Ok, rebout in unquiet mode. |
| 17:30.31 | somiaj | jhutchins: yea might just be some old init.d scripts/packages that maybe need to be removed, my experience switching to systemd was painless which is all I really wanted (since I personally have no use for systemd) |
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| 17:32.21 | arsenal1991 | Hi all. On my fresh install of jessie I would like to increase boot speed. have installed gnome and boot up is around 30 seconds. Any tips on what i can do to speed this up? |
| 17:32.40 | arsenal1991 | also how do i see which programs are starting on boot? |
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| 17:33.31 | somiaj | arsenal1991: might want to better define what boot speed is, are you talking about the time you boot until you see the graphical login, or until you have gnome fully loaded because of auto login? |
| 17:34.11 | somiaj | i.e. 30 seconds doesn't sound that bad to me if you are including loading your graphical enviorment in that time. |
| 17:34.35 | abrotman | depending what that GUI is |
| 17:34.54 | arsenal1991 | I have auto login. By boot speed I mean until i can see my desktop and can click on a shortcut e.g. iceweasel |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | arsenal1991: how old is the system? |
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| 17:36.02 | arsenal1991 | not too old, its a Pentium G840 |
| 17:36.16 | hutchins | Nothing obvious in boot messages, last message is that it's connecting to the printer. |
| 17:36.30 | hutchins | The network start did show a little delay. |
| 17:36.34 | arsenal1991 | reason why i ask is on my older install of 6 i used to get about 15 seconds, same machine |
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| 17:37.12 | unborn | arsenal1991, you will need new hardware.. otherwise there is nothing much you could do.. |
| 17:37.40 | somiaj | arsenal1991: the gnome in 8 vs the gnome in 6 is a much larger program and can take that much longer to load because of that. |
| 17:37.42 | unborn | my system boots up in 3.8 seconds.. you will have to change your hdd and add some ram.. |
| 17:37.48 | abrotman | arsenal1991: you could use a lighter DE, like LXDE |
| 17:37.54 | hutchins | Heh, 1m19s |
| 17:38.01 | arsenal1991 | unborn: 3.8 seconds! WTF |
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| 17:38.03 | arsenal1991 | wow |
| 17:38.16 | markybob | i probably take 6 seconds on i3-2370M |
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| 17:38.53 | arsenal1991 | i have looked at lxde but its got little features like gnome and gnome looks nicer. (i guess i need a new machine) |
| 17:39.00 | unborn | markybob, here i5.. with ssd |
| 17:39.02 | somiaj | I think my system boots in that time, and most of it is POST. I takes about a second from teh time I hit enter in grub utnil I have a login. Note I'm on an ssd, with minimial services and don't load my graphical session. After I login and run startx I have another 10 or so seconds for x to fully load. (never timed it) |
| 17:39.58 | arsenal1991 | somiaj: How did you see which services are starting on boot and disable the ones you didnt need? |
| 17:40.02 | somiaj | arsenal1991: there are ways to better analize your boot to see if something is taking more time than it should. You can also check which services you have loading and boot and disable the ones you don't need, though your isntall shoulnd't be isntalling extra srevices. |
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| 17:41.20 | hutchins | On the other hand, if your system was booting in ~30 seconds with init, you shouldn't have to go ripping out convenient services to get a reasonable boot time. |
| 17:41.25 | arsenal1991 | Is a amd better or intel. i am having a look now but amd ones look a little cheaper |
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| 17:41.32 | unborn | arsenal1991, if your system is up to date and you have time like that then your machine is simply too old. what machine is this? |
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| 17:41.47 | somiaj | arsenal1991: if you remove teh quiet option from /etc/default/grub and rerun update-grub, you can see what is run during the boot (up to the moment your graphical enviroment starts). |
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| 17:41.59 | somiaj | arsenal1991: you can also use systemctl and look at which services are running |
| 17:42.08 | arsenal1991 | ok cool |
| 17:42.22 | arsenal1991 | unborn: its a Pentium G840 |
| 17:42.28 | arsenal1991 | 2.6ghz |
| 17:42.31 | arsenal1991 | dual core |
| 17:42.32 | hutchins | arsenal1991: It might be worth going back to init if it worked well with your old install. |
| 17:42.33 | somiaj | arsenal1991: amd is cheaper, intel beats amd in the benchmarks. I usually use the chart of cpu benchmarks easily found on google in rating 'speed' of cpu's. |
| 17:42.57 | arsenal1991 | hutchins: good shout. |
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| 17:43.49 | hutchins | somiaj: Do we have a factoid for init on jessie? |
| 17:44.09 | somiaj | hutchins: there are various ones about systemd, sysv init, and how to instal sysv init in jessie. |
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| 17:45.26 | squirrel | my /usr/ is taking almost half of my disk. apart from autoremove, is there a way to determine if some packages are not needed, or present a list of manually installed packages i might want to remove? |
| 17:45.38 | arsenal1991 | really like the look of this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FX52-INTEL-i3-4150-NO-MEMORY-NO-HDD-HDMI-FULL-BAREBONES-DESKTOP-PC-/121735433420?hash=item1c57ff4ccc |
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| 17:45.43 | abrotman | squirrel: it's probably in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 17:46.00 | hutchins | dpkg: jessie sysvinit |
| 17:46.00 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 17:46.26 | somiaj | squirrel: there is deborphin to search for packages in which nothing depends on |
| 17:47.01 | somiaj | squirrel: how much space is /usr taking up? Have you stored some data in there besides packages in say /usr/local or /usr/src? |
| 17:47.06 | hutchins | Actually, I'm not too concerned with boot time, as I almost never reboot, it's just a symptom of a problem with the system as a whole. |
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| 17:47.20 | unborn | arsenal1991, again what make it is.. Pentium G840 is not computer that is an cpu |
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| 17:48.13 | somiaj | hutchins: yea I'm not to worried about boot speed either, even on my laptop I prefer pm-suspend |
| 17:48.51 | squirrel | somiaj: around 800 mb, never touched the directory manually, thanks for the deborphan, will try it |
| 17:48.53 | smdrz | lowest power usage is 8W, how much debian takes for others |
| 17:49.01 | squirrel | abrotman: but i want my manuals |
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| 17:51.33 | hutchins | Lots of hits on no sound after upgrade to jessie, guess I'm far from alone on that. |
| 17:52.22 | arsenal1991 | unborn: sorry, its a zoostorm. motherboard: Gigabyte H61M-S2PV. 8 gb ddr3. 500gb 720sata. |
| 17:52.37 | somiaj | !tell hutchins about alsa checklist |
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| 17:53.07 | somiaj | hutchins: sounds like you switched from oss to alsa in the upgrade, may just need to fidle with settings to get alsa working (and I'm assuming you don't have pulseaudio installed) |
| 17:53.09 | arsenal1991 | there must be something i can check when its booted to see which thing took the longest? |
| 17:53.18 | arsenal1991 | i will remove quiet from grub and check |
| 17:53.29 | somiaj | hutchins: also this means you might need to tell your software to use alsa over oss, as if it is configured to use oss it may not work without the alsa oss emulation module loaded. |
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| 17:53.45 | hutchins | somiaj: Oss hasn't been around for a decade or more. |
| 17:53.50 | somiaj | arsenal1991: I told you how to turn quiet boot off, so you can see what is happening during boot. |
| 17:53.56 | xion__ | does debian do plugin and play support for the rt2x00usb driver? |
| 17:53.57 | somiaj | hutchins: I thought etch still had it. |
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| 17:54.05 | somiaj | hutchins: and I thought you upgraded from etch (: |
| 17:54.14 | hutchins | somiaj: It's still available, but hasn't been the default for a while. |
| 17:54.21 | abrotman | OSS has been around, it's called OSS4 |
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| 17:54.54 | somiaj | oss I thoguht was depriciated, but there is an oss4 now. |
| 17:54.54 | hutchins | somiaj: etch->lenny->squeeze-wheezy-jessie. |
| 17:54.54 | hutchins | somiaj: Don't think I rn wheezy long. |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | somiaj: as ytou said, deprecated |
| 17:55.06 | somiaj | hutchins: oh this is over the life time of the machine? Not jsut the upgrade you ddi recentally. |
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| 17:55.28 | hutchins | somiaj: i've been following the alsa checklist. Thing is, alsa worked fine before jessie. |
| 17:55.29 | somiaj | hutchins: anyways just a thought, follow that alsa checklist to locate the issue with yoru sound |
| 17:55.47 | somiaj | xion__: it should provided your devices usbid is in the drivers database. |
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| 17:55.59 | arsenal1991 | ok will try that now |
| 17:56.04 | hutchins | Feh. out of time, I gotta go build a network. Maybe sound later today. |
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| 17:56.19 | xion__ | k thanks |
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| 18:03.51 | hexnewbie | Oh, wow, I didn't realise we had osspd which could make /dev/dsp use PulseAudio, etc. |
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| 18:05.31 | polyphagia | wow |
| 18:05.34 | polyphagia | that's useful hexnewbie |
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| 18:05.45 | polyphagia | i wish i had known about that |
| 18:06.05 | polyphagia | does os x have /dev/dsp? |
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| 18:07.29 | hexnewbie | I just had a thought: Couldn't you use CUSE for that, as aoss and padsp are so hacky? And I suddenly realised that's the main reason for the existence of CUSE. |
| 18:08.07 | hexnewbie | I've never been a fan of LD_PRELOAD hacking to get your sound working. |
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| 18:16.23 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 18:16.56 | tite12345 | I can't get to print the page numbers of the PDF "Securing Debian Manual". |
| 18:17.04 | tite12345 | I'm using Debian "Jessie" |
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| 18:17.57 | tite12345 | How do I get to print the page numbers? |
| 18:18.02 | squirrel | somiaj: deborphan is ok, but i've found localepurge which proved to be more useful :3 thanks |
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| 18:23.30 | somiaj | tite12345: is it not priting the whole top title of each page, should say somethig like Chapter 1. Introduction <largespace> 3 |
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| 18:23.45 | somiaj | tite12345: or are you looking for the page number at the bottom? |
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| 18:27.18 | tite12345 | I think I got it working already |
| 18:27.30 | tite12345 | Hopefully I can find an A4 version of the doc though. |
| 18:27.38 | tite12345 | I only got a PDF version |
| 18:27.48 | tite12345 | The papers I use are A4 |
| 18:29.06 | somiaj | Get the source (hopefully .tex) that makes the pdf, and change the formatting to be A4 |
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| 18:32.20 | fearnothing | if I have a host on 192.168.2.0/24 and I want to add a static route to a single host on 192.168.1.0/24 with higher than default priority, what's the right syntax? |
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| 18:32.52 | somiaj | fearnothing: if you don't get an answer here, you could try ##networking |
| 18:33.01 | hexnewbie | fearnothing: Higher priority than what? |
| 18:33.21 | fearnothing | higher than the routing that openvpn gives me when I fire it up |
| 18:33.54 | fearnothing | I want to still be able to connect to a particular host on my own network, even when the VPN-ing host is connecting to a remote network with the same subnet |
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| 18:36.32 | hexnewbie | fearnothing: I believe host routes take precedence over network routes when the routes have the same metric in Linux, but I could be mistaken. Try adding the route with a lower metric (or same if not possible) and see if it works. |
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| 18:37.02 | mancomunado | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.40 | fearnothing | so what's the syntax for setting priority? |
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| 18:38.23 | fearnothing | and what would be an appropriate priority to set? |
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| 18:41.12 | hexnewbie | fearnothing: There is no priority per se. Specific routes are tried before general routes, other ways for choosing routes are tried next, and if all else fails, the metric is used IIUC. |
| 18:41.40 | hexnewbie | fearnothing: ip route add 192.168.1.1/32 dev <if> |
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| 18:44.06 | Rudde | Using the rename command is there any way I can use math on matched data in the new name part? |
| 18:44.56 | hexnewbie | If that's prename, yes. |
| 18:44.59 | abrotman | Rudde: probably get more help with that in #bash |
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| 18:45.52 | Rudde | What do you mean hexnewbie ? |
| 18:45.54 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Perl supports expressions inside regular expressions, and IIRC prename's regular expressions are full-blown Perl regular expressions (since it's written in Perl). |
| 18:46.01 | Rudde | I have a number in $1 from the match |
| 18:46.10 | Rudde | I want to reduce the number by 10 so $1-10 |
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| 18:46.32 | Rudde | I've trid doing this but it seems to be impossible |
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| 18:46.46 | shay_shay | #bash |
| 18:47.07 | shay_shay | Rudde: ^ |
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| 18:48.16 | Rudde | I trid using bash tho |
| 18:48.19 | Rudde | does not play well |
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| 18:48.37 | fearnothing | ok, looking at the tcpdump output from that host, my RDP is being received but it's not able to connect |
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| 18:49.05 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Perhaps it's â(?{ $1 - 10 })â. My Perl is rusty. |
| 18:49.52 | fearnothing | aha |
| 18:49.58 | fearnothing | that's because I hadn't added the gateway |
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| 18:51.38 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Yes, but it needs to be inside the match pattern. |
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| 18:53.36 | hexnewbie | Rudde: https://paste.debian.net/309610/ |
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| 18:55.30 | Rudde | is prename the same as rename? |
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| 18:55.54 | hexnewbie | Rudde: There are multiple renames, and from what I can tell, they work in different ways. Yuck. |
| 18:56.05 | hexnewbie | Rudde: On my system, yes, they are the same. |
| 18:58.03 | Rudde | Ahh |
| 18:58.25 | Rudde | hexnewbie: Do you know how I can add 0 in fron for numbers smaller then 10? |
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| 18:59.42 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Since it's full-blown Perl code, you can do (?{ $a = sprintf("02d", $1 - 10) }) |
| 19:00.21 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Errr, my bad. There should be % before 02d :) |
| 19:00.49 | hid3 | Hello. How do I kill hung up or defunct process? I have launched an rsync to sync data to my SD card but it seems that SD card is corrupt and now I can't kill the rsync process with `kill -9` |
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| 19:01.51 | hexnewbie | hid3: What state is the process in? |
| 19:02.05 | Rudde | I men for $a, how do I get 0 in front of that since its the one I will be using as output |
| 19:02.17 | Rudde | nvm |
| 19:02.22 | hexnewbie | hid3: If it's in D, I would try pulling out the SD card. If it's in Z as you say, it's up to its parent. |
| 19:02.46 | Rudde | I don't know much perl from before |
| 19:02.54 | hexnewbie | Rudde: Well, precisely. You need to format $a in the code section to add the zero. |
| 19:03.08 | hid3 | hexnewbie: it is in D state (uninterruptable sleep) |
| 19:03.47 | hid3 | I don't feel very comfortable to pull the card out. Is it possible somehow to kill what kontrols the card? |
| 19:03.50 | hexnewbie | hid3: There's nothing you can do to kill the process, but I've moderate amount of success to get rid of such process by removing the offending device. |
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| 19:05.01 | Kathgrar | Hey all. |
| 19:05.02 | hexnewbie | hid3: Nothing is controlling. It's the other way round, rsync is waiting for the device and is unkillable (hence uninterruptable sleep) until the device returns some form of data or an error |
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| 19:07.39 | Kathgrar | I have now added a line ('blacklist rtl8723be') in /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf, and my WLAN isn't hard blocked anymore (now I only see 2 devices instead of 4 devices in rfkill), but now I can't enable and disable WLAN anymore using the ariplane key on my keyboard. Any idea for me? |
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| 19:08.16 | Kathgrar | But WLAN works fine. |
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| 19:10.28 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 19:11.14 | tite12345 | What's the command to verify the checksums via their respective .sign files? |
| 19:11.30 | tite12345 | I'm talking about the one here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 19:11.46 | Kathgrar | tite12345: md5sum / sha*sum (replace * with 256, 512, etc) |
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| 19:12.18 | tite12345 | Ah ok |
| 19:12.22 | tite12345 | Kathgrar: Thanks a lot! |
| 19:12.29 | Kathgrar | No problem ;) |
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| 19:13.12 | hid3 | hexnewbie: the system is remote, so I can't pull the card right now. I could force a reboot with a command like `reboot -nf` but I remember from last time that it did not actually work. Is there any other choice which I can try? |
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| 19:13.47 | hexnewbie | hid3: Is the process consuming too much RAM? If not â forget about it. |
| 19:13.52 | Kathgrar | tite12345: entering 'sha' and pressing TAB will show you more values :) |
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| 19:14.17 | beco | Hey guys, how you doing? |
| 19:14.25 | hid3 | No, it's consuming all the cpu |
| 19:14.37 | weebl | anyone else have issues with NetworkManager eating 7 gigs of ram?? |
| 19:14.41 | weebl | i.e. a lot? |
| 19:14.56 | Kathgrar | NetworkManager with 7 GB of RAM usage? Hell! |
| 19:15.03 | beco | Well, this might sound stupid (and it probably is), but I can't 'find' this command 'lastlogsort'. Nor find, nor locate, nor which, no whereis, nor alias. Where is it? LOL |
| 19:16.31 | tite12345 | Kathgrar: Hey that's awesome! Thanks a lot! |
| 19:16.32 | hexnewbie | hid3: You can try ejecting the SD card with eject -m /dev/XXXX |
| 19:16.54 | hexnewbie | hid3: Or you might umount -l /dev/XXX; eject /dev/XXX |
| 19:17.20 | hexnewbie | hid3: Do you have a way to reboot the machine if it crashes? |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell beco about apt-file |
| 19:18.08 | beco | I just run # find / -name "lastlog*", and I got /usr/include/lastlog.h, /usr/bin/lastlog, some man pages for lastlog, /var/log/lastlog, and a bash-completion file. But no lastlogsort command. |
| 19:18.17 | hexnewbie | hid3: There's also udisks --detach <device> |
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| 19:19.22 | beco | abrotman: thanks... But its not a package. I recon its a binary. But it can be a script. It runs ok. I mean: it is installed somewhere. Maybe dpkg will help indeed, looking for "provides" |
| 19:20.07 | abrotman | yes, apt-file searches package contents |
| 19:20.20 | abrotman | judd: file lastlogsort |
| 19:20.21 | beco | apt-file search lastlogsort gives nothing back. None. Zip. Zero. |
| 19:20.23 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 19:20.34 | abrotman | beco: okay, so, what are you trying to do then? |
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| 19:20.57 | beco | I want to know where is it. If its a script, I want to open it with my text editor. |
| 19:20.59 | abrotman | it's not in Debian .. not sure what you want us to do |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | why do you think it exists? |
| 19:21.24 | beco | because I can run? If I type "lastlogsort" it gives answers. |
| 19:21.34 | abrotman | it can be a shell alias |
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| 19:21.55 | beco | but then, just "alias" would list it, woudnt? |
| 19:21.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:22.04 | beco | no, not an alias |
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| 19:22.16 | abrotman | which lastlogsort |
| 19:22.29 | beco | zero (which) |
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| 19:22.37 | beco | maybe a bash function? |
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| 19:23.27 | beco | yey!! found it! Its a function inside .bashrc |
| 19:23.41 | beco | Ahahaha! I told it was stupid. LOL |
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| 19:23.56 | ChunkzZ | hi, is there a way I can connect to a proxy through debian? |
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| 19:25.45 | Kathgrar | I've now a working WLAN (RTL8723BE). I removed the hard block by adding the line 'blacklist rtl8723be' in /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf, and now see 2 devices instead of 4 devices in rfkill, but WLAN works. _BUT_ my keyboard airplane key to enable/disable WLAN manually doesn't work anymore. Any idea for me? |
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| 19:26.01 | fearnothing | ChunkzZ - pretty sure Google will have the answer to that one :) |
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| 19:26.22 | ChunkzZ | fearnothing, yep BUT it's not simple debian. |
| 19:26.36 | ChunkzZ | it's OSMC based off jessie |
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| 19:27.25 | fearnothing | ah, well that detail makes it sound like less of a basic question :) |
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| 19:27.30 | fearnothing | I don't know the answer |
| 19:27.57 | fearnothing | but details like that are what makes the difference between an answer in here and a link to lmgtfy.com |
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| 19:28.30 | abrotman | ChunkzZ: use #omsc please, this channel is for Debian |
| 19:28.50 | ChunkzZ | no one is in there |
| 19:28.50 | ChunkzZ | I tried |
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| 19:29.08 | itt788 | I'm trying to write a little piece of code to set a register through a file. here is my test code:http://vpaste.net/Ux0uN . I would like review from others to avoid pitfalls. |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ChunkzZ about install debian |
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| 19:29.39 | ChunkzZ | abrotman, I already know. |
| 19:29.50 | abrotman | ChunkzZ: okay, get to it. We don't support OSMC |
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| 19:30.12 | ChunkzZ | get to what? and okay. |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | ChunkzZ: alternately, try ##linux |
| 19:30.47 | ChunkzZ | as long as it's not in debian lol okay cheers. |
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| 19:31.28 | Kathgrar | apt-get seems to only use 1 CPU core, is that normal? |
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| 19:32.33 | shay_shay | yes |
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| 19:33.41 | Akuw | once i configure Bind and postfix i can get mails |
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| 19:36.00 | paperd | Debian runs nicely on the HP Stream 11, once you rip out that crappy wifi card :) |
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| 19:36.54 | aZz7eCh | i just bought one of those |
| 19:36.58 | aZz7eCh | still have 8 on it |
| 19:37.07 | aZz7eCh | but got it cos it looks linuxable |
| 19:37.18 | aZz7eCh | deb only gave you dramas with the wifi ? |
| 19:37.24 | paperd | aZz7eCh: it is very debian-able |
| 19:37.31 | aZz7eCh | was there really no fix for it? you replace it or just cable lan ? |
| 19:37.54 | paperd | no, I think debian will work with the wifi card if you load broadcom blobs |
| 19:38.11 | paperd | but I had a spare intel card that words really well with iwlwifi, so I changed it |
| 19:38.14 | Kathgrar | My WiFi works fine, but the airplane key doesn't work anymore since I've added the module to the blacklist |
| 19:38.17 | paperd | didn't even try with the broadcom card |
| 19:38.27 | aZz7eCh | you got one too kath ? |
| 19:38.33 | Kathgrar | RTL8723BE |
| 19:38.41 | aZz7eCh | everywhere here was selling out of them - i had a real hard time even securing one hey |
| 19:38.50 | paperd | there are multiple reports that the wifi card sucks under windows too :P |
| 19:39.08 | aZz7eCh | and how hard was it to get teh wifi card out ? |
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| 19:39.25 | aZz7eCh | i hate to think - i saw an LED replacement vid on one - looks easier than taking the rest apart |
| 19:39.32 | paperd | aZz7eCh: not very, it is right under the keyboard |
| 19:39.33 | Kathgrar | On Debian, my speed is 244 MBit/s, with Windows (and original drivers) I had only 77 MBit/s (WLAN connection, not internet download speed) |
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| 19:39.55 | paperd | remove 11 screws from the bottom, then use soem cardboard to pry the keyboard up |
| 19:39.57 | aZz7eCh | hmm slightly diff card model maybe ? |
| 19:40.02 | paperd | you don't even need to disconnect any cables. |
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| 19:40.20 | aZz7eCh | okay well thats encouraging |
| 19:40.39 | aZz7eCh | other than the quality of the screen on it ... im looking forward to working away with it .. great little toy :P |
| 19:40.43 | Kathgrar | (I repeat the question here, sorry) I've now a working WLAN (RTL8723BE). I removed the hard block by adding the line 'blacklist rtl8723be' in /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf, and now see 2 devices instead of 4 devices in rfkill, but WLAN works. _BUT_ my keyboard airplane key to enable/disable WLAN manually doesn't work anymore. Any idea for me? |
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| 19:41.11 | paperd | aZz7eCh: mine was $180 USD, you can't have all quality components for that price. |
| 19:41.25 | aZz7eCh | yah $300 AUD here, not complaining at all :P |
| 19:41.27 | tite12345 | Are there a lot of jobs for people who are interested in securing Debian? |
| 19:41.51 | tite12345 | I think securing Debian is popular amongst people. |
| 19:41.59 | paperd | aZz7eCh: I had an eeepc 1005HA from like 5 years ago, similar formfactor, but the screen on the HP is MUCH nicer |
| 19:42.06 | tite12345 | I've become really interested in knowing how to secure my Debian. |
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| 19:42.12 | Kathgrar | aZz7eCh: $300 AUD for your laptop hardware or the WiFi card only? |
| 19:42.23 | aZz7eCh | kath - for the HP Stream 11 |
| 19:42.28 | Kathgrar | Ah |
| 19:42.56 | tite12345 | Having said that - I also am looking for a job right now - is there a market for Debian security? There probably is and I'm being absurd, but what I guess what I'm trying to say is that is the market big? |
| 19:43.37 | Kathgrar | I have a Lenovo G50-30, Windows was re-installed, but MS sucks at all since 29.07. (I have my reasons :P) and installed Debian Jessie now, it's really faster and I can configure all what I need ;) And no hard- and software fails anymore :) |
| 19:43.43 | Kathgrar | 500 ⬠|
| 19:43.56 | fearnothing | there's a strong market for security overall... Debian specifically I'm not so sure about |
| 19:43.59 | paperd | I'm really pleased the debian installer worked with the eMMC in the HP with no problems... other distros didn't fair so well. |
| 19:44.27 | Kathgrar | I only needed the Debian 8.1.0 +firmware installer instead f the most common no non-free installer |
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| 19:44.30 | aZz7eCh | i hadn't even thought about that being an issue |
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| 19:44.41 | fearnothing | Kathgrar, what country are you in? |
| 19:44.47 | Kathgrar | fearnothing: Germany |
| 19:45.25 | aZz7eCh | Heil |
| 19:45.28 | paperd | aZz7eCh: I tried Antegros, and the installer chocked on the eMMC |
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| 19:45.44 | aZz7eCh | i wonder, how would you work around that? |
| 19:45.52 | fearnothing | Kathgrar - I'd imagine there would be a few jobs around, especially if you're prepared to move to where the work is |
| 19:45.56 | aZz7eCh | windows for example, you can load a driver (from a floppy) on boot |
| 19:46.18 | fearnothing | there are a few jobs specifically citing debian in London, so I'd expect there to be some in the big cities in Germany too |
| 19:46.25 | Kathgrar | fearnothing: What do you mean? |
| 19:46.43 | Kathgrar | aZz7eCh: UEFI can load drivers too, without any OS installed |
| 19:46.55 | aZz7eCh | oh very fancy ... |
| 19:47.05 | aZz7eCh | i stopped building /selling pcs like 5+ years ago for good |
| 19:47.18 | Kathgrar | I don't really like UEFI |
| 19:47.20 | aZz7eCh | UEFI's are something i've only played with rarely |
| 19:47.27 | fearnothing | Kathgrar - I mean that you might not find one just down the road from you, you might have to be prepared to commute or move if you want a job that is specifically security on Debian boxes |
| 19:47.42 | paperd | aZz7eCh: it looked to me like the eMMC in the Stream uses a UTF-8 character in it's device name... and Antegros didn't seem to like it |
| 19:47.53 | Kathgrar | fearnothing: I think you mentoined the wrong user, tite12345 asked for a Debian security job ;) |
| 19:48.08 | fearnothing | oh, you're right |
| 19:48.16 | fearnothing | I must be tired |
| 19:48.19 | Kathgrar | :D |
| 19:48.25 | fearnothing | apologies |
| 19:48.31 | aZz7eCh | Kathgrar could have been polite and just played the part. |
| 19:48.34 | fearnothing | so... what country is tite12345 in? |
| 19:48.58 | Kathgrar | aZz7eCh: wat? :) |
| 19:49.04 | fearnothing | not that it should make much difference, but I have a bit more knowledge of English speaking places than of German :) |
| 19:49.28 | aZz7eCh | Kathgrar: in Fear's confusion there. |
| 19:49.32 | Kathgrar | fearnothing: My english isn't good aswell ;) |
| 19:50.06 | fearnothing | ja aber mein deutsch ist sehr schlecht |
| 19:50.19 | paperd | your English reads well enough to me :D |
| 19:50.26 | Kathgrar | fearnothing: In what counry are you in? |
| 19:50.27 | HectorTrope | Hi |
| 19:50.30 | fearnothing | England |
| 19:50.45 | markybob | Kathgrar, fearnothing this really belongs in #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:50.56 | Kathgrar | Hm? |
| 19:51.03 | Kathgrar | Oh |
| 19:51.08 | markybob | this isn't a where can i get a job channel |
| 19:51.16 | tite12345 | Is "Securing Debian Manual" a good start to learn security? |
| 19:51.20 | tite12345 | Yeah security seems fun! |
| 19:51.42 | tite12345 | markybob: Could you point me to the Debian job site? |
| 19:51.50 | tite12345 | I think there is one. |
| 19:51.58 | markybob | are you for real? what did i just... |
| 19:52.03 | aZz7eCh | <3 |
| 19:52.13 | tite12345 | I've joined the mailing list, but haven't come across a thread from it yet. |
| 19:52.21 | TTT | tite12345, security as a career path? I'd stay well clear. You'll only get blamed when things go wrong, never get praised when things are right. The better you do your job, the less you are needed |
| 19:52.31 | TTT | tite12345, I think it's one of the most thankless jobs out there |
| 19:52.34 | Kathgrar | apt-get install qemu-kvm |
| 19:52.38 | tite12345 | lo |
| 19:52.39 | fearnothing | tite12345 - ignore TTT, security is awesome, and it pays pretty well |
| 19:52.40 | tite12345 | lol * |
| 19:52.40 | Kathgrar | damn. |
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| 19:53.03 | fearnothing | and it's growing a lot, tons of demand |
| 19:53.06 | tite12345 | Runa Sandvik is awesome holy shit! Hacking sniper rifles and stuff. |
| 19:53.09 | fearnothing | not going to slow down any time soon |
| 19:53.13 | tite12345 | Yeah |
| 19:53.19 | tite12345 | As we more and more rely on computing |
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| 19:53.32 | fearnothing | however, you should really make sure you have experience in something else first |
| 19:53.36 | aZz7eCh | we wont be relying on computers much longer |
| 19:53.39 | tite12345 | Security is needed more, but I think I like anonymity of all. |
| 19:53.41 | aZz7eCh | as mobile devices take over |
| 19:53.50 | fearnothing | security needs a pretty strong foundation. |
| 19:53.56 | tite12345 | aZz7eCh: Are you kidding? You mean smartphones? |
| 19:54.11 | TTT | fearnothing, maybe my view is outdated. But do companies really GET security at all? I mean, how do you sell your services as a security professional? What do you put on CV? I've worked for company X for 10 years, there were no breakins? |
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| 19:54.16 | tite12345 | fearnothing: I think going back to the protocols or the roots and modifying stuff would be a great idea? |
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| 19:54.47 | tite12345 | TTT: You just secure them? |
| 19:54.50 | fearnothing | tite12345, I think you're trying to run before you can walk |
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| 19:55.10 | TTT | tite12345, yes, but some boss will just say why do I need this, this is a huge sink of money, I see no return |
| 19:55.21 | tite12345 | I remember one Trisquel user told me to assume as much as possible of being hacked. |
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| 19:55.31 | TTT | again, unless times have changed and people really DO GET the need for security |
| 19:55.34 | tite12345 | TTT: Yeah that's true |
| 19:55.55 | tite12345 | TTT: Well, I think you should just wait for them to get intruded :) |
| 19:55.58 | fearnothing | tite12345 generally you find that the places who actually get security are the ones who have been pwned really hard already. |
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| 19:56.09 | tite12345 | fearnothing: Yeah true |
| 19:56.24 | fearnothing | nothing like being bitten in the wallet to wake up the directors. |
| 19:56.29 | tite12345 | Haha |
| 19:56.30 | tite12345 | BRB |
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| 19:56.34 | somiaj | I am having a hard time finding a debian support conversation going on. This should really be moved to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:56.34 | TTT | fearnothing, that would work, until management changes or they forget |
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| 19:56.48 | markybob | somiaj, already told them. they don't listen |
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| 19:57.03 | TTT | shuts up |
| 19:57.07 | fearnothing | shuts up |
| 19:57.22 | aZz7eCh | somiaj: no one has really asked anything debian directly related ? does it really matter ? i ask in all politeness and not knowing any better. |
| 19:58.17 | aZz7eCh | ... like, genuinely |
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| 19:58.35 | fearnothing | tite12345, I'm happy to continue in #debian-offtopic if you really want |
| 19:58.37 | aZz7eCh | it always puzzles me when people take issue to the topic, when no specific channel topic is currently being discussed |
| 19:58.59 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: we try to keep on topic in this channel. Basically just don't let the offtopic noise get to be the main focus (sometimes actual support questions get lost int he off-topic chatter and so forth) |
| 19:59.30 | fearnothing | aZz7eCh, markybob has a point, if there's a busy discussion going on and someone asks a technical question, it can get buried offscreen very quickly |
| 19:59.52 | aZz7eCh | yep i did say i was genuinely asking ... |
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| 20:06.32 | zerodrama | so I switched to usrmerge, will the symlinks remain |
| 20:07.26 | somiaj | zerodrama: what do you mean by switched to usrmerge? |
| 20:07.41 | zerodrama | i installed usrmerge |
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| 20:08.23 | zerodrama | how do i resize? |
| 20:08.46 | zerodrama | i suppose i could dd to a file and resize that way |
| 20:09.25 | somiaj | zerodrama: I don't see a package named usrmerge or know what you mean, hence why I asked. |
| 20:09.55 | zerodrama | usrmerge just came today for moving stuff off / to /usr |
| 20:10.13 | somiaj | yea I foudn it, I must need to update my database on my sid box |
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| 20:11.52 | zerodrama | is there a way to move /boot to an encrypted drive? |
| 20:11.59 | zerodrama | lvm + enc |
| 20:12.41 | somiaj | zerodrama: I belive i heard that recent versions of grub can read encrypted drives, but not sure on the details. But that is where the issue would be is if grub can read /boot or not. |
| 20:12.49 | somiaj | also unsure if this recent version has made it to sid |
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| 20:13.58 | somiaj | yea google gave me some hits on grub supported an encyprted boot on lvm. |
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| 20:39.38 | epitamizor | the GPL doesn't require attribution does it? |
| 20:41.03 | Rudde | So I've been using EncFS a while now |
| 20:41.04 | markybob | epitamizor, you're keeping it in house? |
| 20:41.16 | Rudde | and sometimes I need to know the encrypted path to a decrypted file |
| 20:41.21 | Rudde | is this possible is any way? |
| 20:41.23 | epitamizor | markybob, no |
| 20:41.52 | crunge | I have nslcd doing pam auth properly when I do ldap in the clear, but when I use LDAPS I get totally unhelpful errors in the log "file not found" and "unknown error code". I'm using an internal CA. ldapsearch doesn't work until I point to /etc/ssl/certs in ldap.conf. Pointing directly to the cert store in nslcd.conf doesn't help. |
| 20:41.55 | markybob | epitamizor, if you're distributing... yes |
| 20:42.04 | somiaj | epitamizor: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:42.17 | markybob | epitamizor, i suggest you read it. "For both users' and authors' sake, the GPL requires that modified versions be marked as changed, so that their problems will not be attributed erroneously to authors of previous versions." |
| 20:42.41 | markybob | epitamizor, http://opensource.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html. it's very clear |
| 20:43.07 | epitamizor | well the thing is they dont specify a version, so it could be v1.0 |
| 20:43.18 | abrotman | crunge: so, it works just fine? |
| 20:43.47 | crunge | abrotman: I want to require SSL cert verification |
| 20:44.29 | crunge | abrotman: Given that I'm handling authz and authn I'd prefer it weren't in the clear. |
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| 21:14.06 | abrotman | 5666 |
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| 21:14.26 | abrotman | oddly, "grep nrpe /etc/services |
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| 21:22.20 | bint | hello |
| 21:22.23 | bint | i have a problem |
| 21:22.29 | crunge | Any standard tools where I can watch calls to shared libs in the vein of strace? |
| 21:22.43 | bint | all my services on my server shut down today |
| 21:22.52 | bint | when i connected to the shell, there was a bash error |
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| 21:23.10 | bint | and when using df -h i can't see the harddisks anymore |
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| 21:23.29 | bint | i get this: /dev/disk/by-uuid/9f621ee2-6e67-47ef-b03e-80593517dd81 |
| 21:23.57 | bint | Could not chdir to home directory /home/bint: No such file or directory |
| 21:24.08 | bint | any idea what happend? |
| 21:24.11 | crunge | bint: your configuration have everything on one disk? |
| 21:24.34 | bint | it should, yes |
| 21:24.41 | bint | its 2x3TB SATA devices |
| 21:24.57 | crunge | bint: I think your disk retired. |
| 21:25.07 | crunge | bint: RAID1 ? |
| 21:25.17 | bint | http://i.imgur.com/HxbSW6b.png |
| 21:25.20 | bint | i only see this |
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| 21:25.54 | crunge | bint: What's 'mount' say? |
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| 21:26.07 | crunge | Also: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:26.51 | crunge | bint: the latter should be illuminating |
| 21:26.52 | bint | http://pastie.org/10384406 |
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| 21:28.00 | bint | http://pastie.org/10384407 |
| 21:28.07 | bint | first is mdstat, second is mount |
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| 21:29.05 | crunge | bint: I think you've just discovered the joy of RAID0 |
| 21:29.31 | bint | so you think its all gone? |
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| 21:30.35 | crunge | bint: Superficially I'll say "yes". It could be a bad superblock and you can get everything back by pointing the filesystem to one of the backup superblocks |
| 21:31.07 | bint | ok |
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| 21:31.16 | crunge | bint: you can try an fsck on your /dev/md? devices |
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| 21:33.39 | bint | e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. |
| 21:33.50 | bint | /dev/md2 is mounted. |
| 21:34.41 | bint | /dev/md1: clean, 453/131072 files, 49570/523968 blocks |
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| 21:41.23 | bint | hmm |
| 21:41.29 | bint | what does this "rescue" mean |
| 21:41.29 | bint | http://pastebin.com/WMakjrsR |
| 21:41.43 | Rackmount | Greetings. Does anyone have a proper guide on how to change the GDM3 background? I followed the instructions on the Debian wiki, but this does not seem to affect anything. I also have been searching for the past two hours, but every proposed solution I find seems to also have no effect. |
| 21:42.01 | Rackmount | I'm running Jessie (8.1) BTW. |
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| 21:47.52 | bint | oh |
| 21:47.55 | bint | here it is crunge |
| 21:47.56 | bint | Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes |
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| 21:48.02 | bint | /dev/md3: recovering journal |
| 21:48.02 | bint | /dev/md3 contains a file system with errors, check forced. |
| 21:48.02 | bint | Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes |
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| 21:51.05 | Rudde | Can I get debian to try to reconnect sshfs every x minutes if the host timesout? |
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| 21:54.41 | digdilem | Rudde, don't know if it has an option, but autossh is very robust with bad connections - maybe it can tunnel fs too? |
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| 21:55.26 | digdilem | Rudde, although this might be worth a look first; http://serverfault.com/questions/6709/sshfs-mount-that-survives-disconnect |
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| 21:58.29 | FelixFire619 | is there anyway for me to access this "25847 pts/0 S+ 0:00 nano start.sh" nano? |
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| 21:59.46 | abrotman | isn't it yours? |
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| 22:11.28 | FelixFire619 | Looking for Graphic Artist for web logo, PHP Programmer for Slight MySQL Change's to opensource php pre-existing project, CentOS & Debian Administrators for assistance with hardcoding IP/GW/BC/Nmask, Looking for cPanel GuRu for misc assistance, looking for Writers of ALL languages that understand English. All "tasks" do have rewards, PM ME for more info if interested, Thanks in advance. |
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| 22:13.37 | abrotman | FelixFire619: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 22:14.01 | FelixFire619 | abrotman, minimul, and im sorry guys forgot i was in here when i amsged |
| 22:14.16 | tarkaram | hello all, I recently had a power outage and my debian server isn't booting anymore. I have a debian live DVD but not sure how to recover. Was wondering if someone provide some guidance |
| 22:14.29 | abrotman | FelixFire619: take it elsewhere |
| 22:14.44 | FelixFire619 | wow |
| 22:14.56 | abrotman | tarkaram: does that boot? |
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| 22:15.15 | tarkaram | abrotman: doesn't boot from the harddisk |
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| 22:15.23 | gandaro | Hi! I just installed Jessie on an old laptop of mine |
| 22:15.30 | FelixFire619 | Sorry that i messaged that here, ment to do this before the msg |
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| 22:15.37 | abrotman | tarkaram: are there errors, can you access the logs? |
| 22:16.23 | gandaro | I installed just the core system without a graphical interface, because I wanted to install just a window manager of my choice and not a large desktop environment |
| 22:16.26 | tarkaram | not sure how I can get to the error log. The system is only setup to run debian and cant get to grub prompt |
| 22:17.18 | gandaro | Now I would like to have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, so I can set the correct screen resolution. But when I run "Xorg -configure" I get a segfault |
| 22:17.23 | gandaro | See http://sprunge.us/ZRPB |
| 22:17.44 | abrotman | gandaro: PPC? |
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| 22:17.50 | gandaro | abrotman: x86 |
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| 22:19.09 | tarkaram | abrotman: when I tried to do a reinstall, got a message that said "fsynching/closing /dev/sdb Input/output error" |
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| 22:20.53 | abrotman | tarkaram: that doesn't seem like a good sign .. tried a liveCD to see if you can access that drive? |
| 22:21.41 | tarkaram | abrotman: when I use a liveCD, I can see the harddisk but it doesnt seem to recognize any of the partitions |
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| 22:22.41 | bev_ | tarkaram: gsmartmontools are showing anything? |
| 22:22.58 | bev_ | (if you like gnome) |
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| 22:23.25 | tarkaram | bev_: haven't tried, will give it a shot. I burned the gnome live cd, hopefully it has it |
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| 22:26.43 | tarkaram | abrotman: do you suggest I go ahead with the reinstall? Or, do you think there is some hope if I spend sometime? |
| 22:26.45 | bev_ | tarkaram: as a last resort, you should have gparted to check for partitions |
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| 22:27.34 | tarkaram | bev_: thanks, will try that. I dont seem to have gsmartmontools |
| 22:27.51 | abrotman | tarkaram: i'd try tto see what's on the drive first |
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| 22:28.13 | bev_ | tarkaram: the right tool is gsmartcontrol-root |
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| 22:34.06 | tarkaram | bev_: don't have gparted either. I tried to mount the drive in the live session and dmesg has the following error message: exception emask 0x0.., failed command: READ DMA EXT...;status: {DRDY ERR} |
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| 22:38.39 | bev_ | tarkaram: looks bad. You have backups? |
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| 22:43.05 | tarkaram | thanks guys. Looks like its a gone case. The reinstall isnt working either. Need to get a new hard disk. |
| 22:43.35 | tarkaram | bev_: have the backup for important files, so amnt sweating that much. thanks again for the help. |
| 22:44.29 | bev_ | tarkaram: if backed-up, you can try to force the disk to work |
| 22:45.37 | bev_ | something like dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null |
| 22:46.17 | bev_ | no garantee |
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| 22:48.12 | bev_ | tarkaram: just don't mess up with of=/dev/null :) |
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| 23:01.08 | frostschutz | tarkaram, output of smartctl -a /dev/disk? if it has reallocated/pending/uncorrectable sectors, get a new one |
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| 23:02.58 | woh3 | Hi all, question: I am buying an android "TV Box", Cenovo Mini PC TV Box 64 Bit Quad Core Intel Z3735F, and I want to install Debian on it, I was told in here that I could run the ordinary iso, but this unit does not have a hard drive, will I still be able to use ordinary Debian or do I need debian arm64? |
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| 23:08.00 | woh3 | and I know I will probably have to do the install but putting the iso on a mini sd card, which install file would you recommend for sd-card? |
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| 23:19.39 | kzimmermann | win 3 |
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| 23:37.45 | XforceVesa | hi |
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| 23:39.38 | Tagor | I ran apt-get upgrade but now it's stuck at 'Setting up php5-common'. Anyone know what to do? Looks like it hangs at 'find /var/lib/php5 -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -ignore_readdir_race -type f -execdir mv {} /var/lib/php5/sessions' |
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| 23:40.41 | head8debian | I just installed windows in a dual boot, and it threw off debian's time. How do i fix that? |
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| 23:41.05 | head8debian | Let me check the hardware clock again. Last i checked it was correct. |
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| 23:43.05 | somiaj | head8debian: debian by default sets the hardware clock to UTC time and then corrects via the time zone, windows by default sets the hardware clock to local time. This means you either have to a) make debian set the clock to local time or b) make windows use utc time on the hardware clock |
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| 23:43.54 | somiaj | !utc |
| 23:43.55 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 23:44.05 | somiaj | in debian should just modify /etc/adjtime to "LOCAL" |
| 23:45.53 | format_c | Thanks for that useful hint. |
| 23:46.02 | format_c | I was irritated by this thing too |
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