| 00:00.10 | linwiz | I have this udev rule that is executed (symilnk is created) but the command is not executed. http://pastebin.com/dXi167eU |
| 00:00.37 | themanu | centrx: I did but they directed me here because it is a debuild issue not a python one |
| 00:01.30 | themanu | is no one able to help? |
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| 00:04.45 | themill | dpkg: tell themanu about nmg |
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| 00:07.30 | telmac | is there a general guide for printing on *nix? |
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| 00:08.02 | telmac | my printer supposedly works perfectly though I don't know if that's with the manufacturer's nonfree drivers or not |
| 00:08.35 | themill | telmac: openprinting.org is normally the place to find that out |
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| 00:10.50 | telmac | that url now redirects to http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting and seems to only have information about the organization etc |
| 00:11.36 | telmac | ah okay I see |
| 00:15.30 | themanu | dpkg: you here? |
| 00:15.30 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 00:16.31 | OUTsider | grmblz.... |
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| 00:17.17 | OUTsider | lemme guess, sendmail screws up so you can force users to pick another smtpd ? |
| 00:17.51 | OUTsider | everything worked fine in wheezy, until I upgraded to jessie |
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| 00:18.21 | themill | wishes people would just ask for help rather than having a rant first |
| 00:18.29 | OUTsider | now I get permission errors all over the place |
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| 00:19.31 | OUTsider | themill: when you looked at the issue for over 3 hours, googling your butt off, and still can't find any decent answers, including in the damn SECURITY file they point you at, then you get ranters |
| 00:19.48 | themill | Ranters don't get questions answered. *shrug* |
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| 00:20.02 | themill | (partly because they haven't actually asked a question) |
| 00:20.22 | OUTsider | error: safesasl(/usr/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf) failed: Permission denied <- why ? (question 1) |
| 00:20.31 | themill | !ask |
| 00:20.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:20.52 | OUTsider | daemon could not open control socket /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol: Permission denied <- why? (question 2) |
| 00:20.52 | themill | feel free to provide any context that might help. |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | whoa, there is one left |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | did they move sendmail into a chroot? |
| 00:21.11 | linwiz | upgrades break things. It's best to upgrade a non production device first |
| 00:21.34 | OUTsider | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.51 | OUTsider | abrotman, not that I am aware of |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | which user owns that file? which user is trying to write to it? |
| 00:22.08 | RoyK | OUTsider: does anyone use sendmail anymore? |
| 00:22.16 | abrotman | RoyK: apparently so ... |
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| 00:22.26 | OUTsider | RoyK, yes, me on a specific system |
| 00:22.58 | OUTsider | let's start with one then |
| 00:23.18 | OUTsider | error: safesasl(/usr/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf) failed: Permission denied |
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| 00:23.44 | OUTsider | that file is world wide readable, and a symlink to /etc/mail/sasl/Sendmail.conf.2 |
| 00:24.04 | themill | symlinks don't have permissions |
| 00:24.23 | OUTsider | -rw-r----- 1 smmta smmsp 907 Aug 31 02:19 Sendmail.conf.2 |
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| 00:24.57 | themill | and what user have you configured it to run as? |
| 00:25.29 | abrotman | doesn't seem so world-readable .. |
| 00:26.32 | themill | no package ships that file either |
| 00:27.24 | OUTsider | themill, default settings, mta should run as smmta, msp runs as smmsp |
| 00:28.26 | OUTsider | actually, mta runs as root |
| 00:28.58 | OUTsider | root 13203 0.0 0.6 13184 6340 ? Ss 02:21 0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections |
| 00:29.17 | RoyK | OUTsider: it should be started by root to do things like binding to 25/587, but should not run as root :P |
| 00:29.27 | RoyK | OUTsider: why sendmail? |
| 00:29.36 | OUTsider | because it worked |
| 00:29.41 | RoyK | -rf |
| 00:29.43 | RoyK | ops |
| 00:29.49 | RoyK | -ed |
| 00:29.56 | RoyK | was what I meant |
| 00:29.59 | OUTsider | no, in this case +ed |
| 00:30.07 | OUTsider | because it worked in wheezy |
| 00:30.16 | RoyK | just use postfix |
| 00:30.21 | RoyK | it workS |
| 00:30.28 | abrotman | not hhelping .. he's asking how to fix this one |
| 00:30.34 | OUTsider | sure, and do everything all over again |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | OUTsider: are you sure the binary isn't running in a chroot? |
| 00:30.45 | OUTsider | like the dkim/sasl/etc |
| 00:31.04 | OUTsider | abrotman, well, unless thats changed between wheezy and jessie, i wouldn't know |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | It might be in the README or the changelog |
| 00:31.25 | RoyK | goes to watch paint dry |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | Thank you |
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| 00:32.34 | abrotman | OUTsider: if you change it to 644, it would either be a file referenced inside of the conf, or it is running in a chroot |
| 00:33.25 | OUTsider | abrotman, since the error log complains about files with full paths, I doubt it's a chroot |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | wouldn't make that bet |
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| 00:34.18 | OUTsider | abrotman, and doing a quick check on google only shows like howto chroot it |
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| 00:40.01 | OUTsider | abrotman, ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/pub/sendmail/RELEASE_NOTES doesn't even contain the word chroot |
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| 00:42.22 | abrotman | OUTsider: Debian release notes ... |
| 00:42.22 | jmcnaught | OUTsider: it's possible the Debian packagers put it in a chroot. Did you check the README and changelog files in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/ ? |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | OUTsider: have you tried to su - to that user and access the file? |
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| 00:45.10 | themill | I doubt very much has changed in the packaging between wheezy and jessie given that the package is orphaned |
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| 00:45.43 | OUTsider | abrotman: /bin/false as shell I guess |
| 00:46.26 | RoyK | OUTsider: add -s /bin/bash to that |
| 00:46.29 | OUTsider | jmcnaught, just did, changelog.Debian.gz also has nothing |
| 00:47.01 | crunge | Atm0spher1c: Except for half the themes being broken, hugo is pretty cool so far. |
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| 00:49.30 | linwiz | I have this udev rule that is executed when a USB drive is inserted (symlink is created) but the RUN command is not executed. http://pastebin.com/dXi167eU |
| 00:49.33 | OUTsider | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.35 | OUTsider | RoyK, thx for that, and btw, the reason I use sendmail is because I am old, needing to learn yet another mta again with all the options and crap just isn't something I can easily put on my time table |
| 01:00.02 | OUTsider | and actually it's only on that specific box |
| 01:01.41 | RoyK | OUTsider: learning postfix isn't like learning sendmail ;) |
| 01:02.02 | OUTsider | I'd rather use exim... |
| 01:02.13 | RoyK | up to you - I like postfix |
| 01:02.19 | aedinius | I disabled ipv6 (DISA STIG requirement) but exim keeps bugging about not being able to bind to ::1. I can't find where to remove the ipv6/::1 requirement for exim |
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| 01:02.38 | aedinius | I edited update-exim4.conf.conf and removed the ::1, but it still complains |
| 01:03.10 | RoyK | erm - requirement to disable IPv6? |
| 01:03.11 | OUTsider | well, I do use v6, so I wouldn't know :P |
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| 01:03.27 | RoyK | seems rubbish to me |
| 01:03.57 | OUTsider | .mil standards... |
| 01:04.12 | aedinius | Yeah. Currently ipv6 is banned |
| 01:04.41 | aedinius | It's dumb, but there are no (global|enterprise) policies to implement it. |
| 01:04.44 | RoyK | with almost no ipv4 addresses left... |
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| 01:05.05 | aedinius | Oh, we've got plenty of ipv4 :)( |
| 01:05.11 | aedinius | err :). |
| 01:05.23 | OUTsider | RoyK, most old companies rather milk out cgnat then deploy v6 |
| 01:05.23 | aedinius | They're all assigned, not all used |
| 01:05.30 | aedinius | NAT is banned, too |
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| 01:05.48 | aedinius | We just have a bunch of /16s that are way underpopulated. |
| 01:06.11 | OUTsider | aedinius, isn't tor derived from something military use(s/d) |
| 01:06.41 | RoyK | yeah, lots of ipv4 out there http://www.networkworld.com/article/2228854/microsoft-subnet/microsoft-pays-nortel--7-5-million-for-ipv4-addresses.html |
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| 01:07.07 | OUTsider | yeah, lots of ipv4 traders on the net now |
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| 01:07.48 | RoyK | perhaps it'd be better to use ipv6? ;) |
| 01:07.49 | aedinius | From the STIG, though: "The IPv6 protocol handler must not be bound to the network stack unless needed." |
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| 01:08.26 | abrotman | aedinius: set in /etc/hosts perhaps? |
| 01:08.53 | RoyK | aedinius: erm... why is that? |
| 01:08.55 | aedinius | It is, removed now. |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | OUTsider: tried a strace ? |
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| 01:09.09 | OUTsider | not yet, good idea |
| 01:09.14 | OUTsider | aedinius, https://hexdump.co/2015/01/30/exim-disable-listening-on-ipv6-address/ |
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| 01:09.28 | aedinius | RoyK: Wild guess? Someone didn't configure ip6tables and a box got owned. |
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| 01:10.03 | aedinius | OUTsider: That was my first thing. It still tries |
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| 01:10.19 | RoyK | aedinius: ufw enable :P |
| 01:10.40 | aedinius | Hah. well. |
| 01:10.51 | RoyK | aedinius: the STIG should be focusing on firewalling, not protocols |
| 01:11.10 | aedinius | Agreed. |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | anyway .. let's try to actually help him |
| 01:11.58 | OUTsider | I think it's time to let go and move that box to exim |
| 01:12.03 | Guest22903 | i just install debian to this dell inspiron 1150 using an old net install cd, i couldn't get the wifi to work so i just let it install with out a network. when i run ifconfig it only shows the lo interface. when i try ifconfig wlan0 up it says error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 01:12.10 | Guest22903 | how do i get this thing online? |
| 01:12.15 | OUTsider | another day :) |
| 01:12.20 | OUTsider | let's strace first |
| 01:12.29 | aedinius | Wait a second. |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | OUTsider: it may tell which file it's barfing on |
| 01:12.32 | aedinius | Son of a bitch. |
| 01:12.43 | aedinius | I'm an idiot. |
| 01:12.55 | aedinius | I never cleared the paniclog, that's why I keep getting errors. |
| 01:13.28 | ecbrown | Guest22903: in my experience, one almost always needs an ethernet cable, in order to install proprietary firmware from contrib and/or nonfree |
| 01:13.35 | OUTsider | :) |
| 01:13.45 | OUTsider | abrotman, btw, it's not running chroot |
| 01:13.53 | malf | My debian stretch system is locking up on boot at least on the 4.0 and 4.1 kernels (haven't tried 3.x yet). Boots okay if I set options radeon modeset=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/modesetting.conf |
| 01:13.54 | malf | Usually locks up a few seconds after the boot completes and the lightdm login screen comes up |
| 01:13.54 | malf | Recently removed fglrx drivers after having yet another problem with them. But switching back to the default drivers triggered the problem above. |
| 01:13.54 | malf | Trying to figure out the best package(s) to search under to track down existing reports/debugging |
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| 01:13.55 | abrotman | OUTsider: it was just one possible problem |
| 01:13.58 | Guest22903 | looks like i need something called b43/ucode5.fw and b43-open/ucode.fw |
| 01:14.02 | OUTsider | abrotman, checked procfs on the pid |
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| 01:14.11 | OUTsider | abrotman, root is set to / |
| 01:14.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Guest22903 about firmware netinst |
| 01:14.54 | Guest22903 | ecbrown: if i hook up an ethernet cable and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will it install the firmware for my wifi you think?> |
| 01:15.13 | OUTsider | always better to do a netinst wired |
| 01:15.20 | ecbrown | Guest22903: generally you have to google for precisely which firmware to install. |
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| 01:15.39 | ecbrown | for example, on my macbooks i have to install one of the broadcom firmwares |
| 01:15.49 | ecbrown | Guest22903: dmesg may help |
| 01:15.56 | Guest22903 | guess i won't be getting to watch any pr0n tonight ;p |
| 01:16.05 | ecbrown | oy |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | Guest22903: see what the bot tol dyou |
| 01:16.22 | Guest22903 | abrotman: i read it |
| 01:16.26 | malf | My debian stretch system is locking up on boot at least on the 4.0 and 4.1 kernels (haven't tried 3.x yet). Boots okay if I set options radeon modeset=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/modesetting.conf. Usually locks up a few seconds after the boot completes and the lightdm login screen comes up. Recently removed fglrx drivers after having yet another problem with them. But switching back to the default drivers triggered the problem above. |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | Guest22903: use the installer that has the firmware |
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| 01:17.19 | ecbrown | dpkg: tell ecbrown about firmware netinst |
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| 01:18.20 | Guest22903 | abrotman: then that is what i shall do, thank you all for your input |
| 01:19.04 | ecbrown | thanks, abrotman, i was unaware of those firmware isos |
| 01:19.23 | Guest22903 | abrotman: how do i know which image has the firmware i need? |
| 01:20.20 | Guest22903 | will this one work? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:20.52 | ecbrown | sure you don't want the amd64 (64-bit) version? |
| 01:21.00 | ecbrown | how old is that machine? |
| 01:21.33 | ecbrown | i386 is 32-bit intel |
| 01:21.35 | Guest22903 | ecbrown its oldddddddddddddddddd. 2.8 ghz pentium 4 i think |
| 01:21.58 | ecbrown | ok, just checking. yeah, i just installed on a i386 today... |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | Guest22903: if you want i386, yes |
| 01:22.26 | aedinius | Hm. I wonder, will the i386 ISO actually install on a 386DX |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | no |
| 01:22.49 | aedinius | Well then it lies a little, yes? |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | The gcc requirement is now 486 |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | it's a historical name |
| 01:22.59 | Guest22903 | abrotman: what are the other catagories though.. bt-cd, iso-cd, jidgo-cd, list-cd |
| 01:23.23 | aedinius | Guest22903: bt == bittorrent, iso == straight download, jigdo == jigdo download, list == nfc |
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| 01:23.38 | Guest22903 | aedinius: ahhhh i see |
| 01:23.52 | aedinius | bt and jigdo are preferred, since they are friendlier to the networks. |
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| 01:25.58 | Guest22903 | its downloading at a blazing 30 KiB/s lol |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | uses ISO for the netinsts |
| 01:27.50 | Guest22903 | well i really appreciate you guys but i gotta get up at 4 am for work, thanks again. |
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| 01:31.36 | RoyK | aedinius: heh - do you have a 386 you want to use? ;) |
| 01:32.02 | aedinius | No, but I'm always in the market. |
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| 01:32.14 | OUTsider | oldest working pc here currently is a P3-1000 |
| 01:32.40 | aedinius | PC? |
| 01:32.46 | OUTsider | i think the last version on that one is sid :P |
| 01:32.47 | aedinius | Oldest working computer is a SPARCstatoin 20 |
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| 01:33.22 | OUTsider | aedinius, you get one of those cords with those ? |
| 01:33.24 | aedinius | Oldest currently running computer is a PowerPC 7455 (~15yo w/upgraded CPU) |
| 01:33.33 | aedinius | Cords? |
| 01:33.43 | RoyK | has a pi2 that works well on debian ;) |
| 01:33.45 | swift110-phone | Wow |
| 01:33.46 | OUTsider | aedinius, yeah, pull it and the system boots :P |
| 01:33.57 | aedinius | oh lol |
| 01:34.09 | ecbrown | has a vax that warms his garage in winter |
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| 01:34.20 | OUTsider | :) |
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| 01:34.27 | aedinius | lol, my dual powerpc 970 would warm my apartment in the winter. |
| 01:34.41 | aedinius | I now have a house and a wife that make me use the heater. |
| 01:34.52 | OUTsider | for heating I use a PE1955 :P |
| 01:35.19 | OUTsider | they only forgot to ship it with earplugs |
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| 01:36.18 | OUTsider | chats a little with the bot |
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| 01:37.41 | OUTsider | guess dpkg is a bit loaded at the moment |
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| 01:38.14 | OUTsider | dpkg, tell OUTsider about wheezy->jessie |
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| 01:39.17 | OUTsider | just to see if I did something wrong, coz I went from wheezy to oldstable, and from there to stable |
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| 01:40.21 | OUTsider | and strace ain't really informative, and yes, i did -f :) |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | looks for the bot ... |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | OUTsider: anything in the sendmail logs? |
| 01:42.54 | Brigo | abrotman, yes, i miss dpkg |
| 01:43.16 | OUTsider | sm-mta[13790]: t7V1on4d013790: SYSERR(root): collect: Cannot write ./dft7V1on4d013790 (bfcommit, uid=0, gid=110): Permission denied |
| 01:43.34 | OUTsider | this keeps coming up on any mail it gets offered |
| 01:44.03 | ajp | hello all! Where can the official build scripts for a particular package be found? I'm trying to find out what configure options debian passes to the 0ad package (https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/0ad) |
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| 01:45.14 | OUTsider | arent those in the deb itself ? |
| 01:45.29 | themill | ajp: http://sources.debian.net/src/0ad/jessie-backports/debian/rules |
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| 01:46.02 | ajp | perfect, thank you |
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| 01:47.45 | abrotman | OUTsider: tried turning it up to DEBUG? |
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| 01:48.49 | abrotman | (also, there is a #sendmail channel that might be able to tell wtf is going on) |
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| 01:59.10 | otyugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.50 | OUTsider | now try without the space in front |
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| 02:04.55 | OUTsider | abrotman, ping pong reply |
| 02:04.59 | OUTsider | <twkm> something broke. you'll probably need to find out why they changed the gid. |
| 02:05.10 | OUTsider | and after that, they send me back here |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | well, if the gid broke, that's a good hint for you |
| 02:05.28 | abrotman | "changed" |
| 02:05.40 | OUTsider | it has been smmsp for ages in debian |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | ensure the uid/gid that it's running as can write to the various places, lke the spool dir |
| 02:06.20 | OUTsider | it uses uid 0, shouldn't it be able to write to it ? |
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| 02:07.23 | abrotman | it probably does privsep type things and doesn't actually accept mail as uid0 |
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| 02:10.46 | otyugh | is it fine to use wheezy today on a security standpoint ? |
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| 02:12.59 | joeyyy | hello |
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| 02:13.14 | joeyyy | do u all use compz on the desktop ? |
| 02:14.30 | hassoon | compton here |
| 02:14.32 | hassoon | i3 |
| 02:16.24 | linwiz | Where can I find udev related logs? |
| 02:17.07 | blackjack | could i use a newer version of openVpn on debian 7.8 ? |
| 02:17.17 | linwiz | Specifically when udev rules RUN a bash script |
| 02:17.22 | blackjack | one with tls version 1.2 |
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| 02:20.05 | blackjack | hello |
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| 02:22.04 | OUTsider | getting at least 2 hours sleep before I get to work |
| 02:22.14 | OUTsider | anyways, thx for the time |
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| 02:22.19 | blackjack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.35 | OUTsider | and get that bot back :P |
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| 02:24.27 | abrotman | otyugh: supported for another 9 months or so |
| 02:24.55 | abrotman | blackjack: is that function of the openssl libraries, or the openvpn stuff? |
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| 02:26.31 | blackjack | openvpn stuff |
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| 02:26.46 | blackjack | im trying to create an openvpn setup |
| 02:26.51 | blackjack | using TLS version 1.2 |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | grrr |
| 02:27.00 | k_sze | Is /etc/initramfs-tools volatile? |
| 02:27.10 | blackjack | TLS version of openvpn in wheezy is version 1 and below i guess |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | thinks htat sounds weird |
| 02:28.47 | k_sze | As in the content of /etc/initramfs-tools is replaced from the cpio archive every time I boot? |
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| 02:29.25 | blackjack | abrotman, i am having a problem to dget a file, it says validation failed |
| 02:29.38 | blackjack | im getting the newer openvpn package |
| 02:29.41 | themill | blackjack: you might want to look at man dget |
| 02:29.50 | blackjack | https://paste.debian.net/309749/ |
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| 02:30.17 | Flynn | How do I mount *any* drive to /mnt/usb? |
| 02:30.41 | Flynn | Specifically, I'm working with a raspbery pi 2, which will have a single USB flash drive plugged into one of its four ports |
| 02:30.52 | Flynn | I'd like to mount that drive onto the directory /mnt/usb |
| 02:31.15 | Flynn | I tried just "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb", but got "special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist" |
| 02:31.43 | Flynn | It appears (to me) that "/dev/sdb1" may be specific to the device and/or what USB port it is plugged into -- which is bad |
| 02:31.58 | Flynn | Is there some alternative to /dev/sdb1 that I can use which will select the first USB filesystem it can find? |
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| 02:33.17 | Epakai | use uuid, sdb is not specific to any device |
| 02:33.39 | Flynn | Epakai: I don't want it to be specific to any device? |
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| 02:34.24 | Flynn | Epakai: I'd like it to mount whatever is plugged into the USB ports, basically |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | blackjack: have you checked wheezy-backports? |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | judd: versions openvpn |
| 02:35.59 | judd | Package: openvpn on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.1.3-2+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5; sid: 2.3.7-1; stretch: 2.3.7-1 |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | ugh, still one version short .. not sure if they'd have backported that patch |
| 02:37.40 | blackjack | oh abrotman i just changed it to dget -du . anyway its a safe link after all? :/ |
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| 03:06.01 | k_sze | Is it generally safe to just run `depmod -a`? |
| 03:07.00 | k_sze | Or, if I want to play safe, what should I back up before running `depmod -a`? |
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| 03:08.46 | k_sze | modules.dep and modules.dep.bin from lib/modules/<kernel version>/? |
| 03:10.01 | k_sze | (and modules.devname) |
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| 03:10.18 | hassoon | 'Debian is the operating system of choice on the International Space Station.' ? :o |
| 03:10.26 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:10.51 | dvs | does not want to deliver DVD discs to them |
| 03:11.32 | markybob | hassoon, kinda. scientific linux |
| 03:11.36 | hassoon | dvs: https://i.imgur.com/9ZrX6ST.png |
| 03:11.43 | hassoon | markybob: ah that one ? |
| 03:11.44 | k_sze | dvs: they do a network install over a 1kb link to mission controls. :) |
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| 03:34.18 | Pwkay | morning |
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| 03:38.46 | k_sze | My team leader added "ixgbe allow_unsupported_sfp=1,1" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules. |
| 03:38.57 | k_sze | Is that the right place? |
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| 03:41.13 | k_sze | So far, I have been reading a few pages on the internet about allow_unsupported_sfp and I think all of them add the rule to a conf file under /etc/modprobe.d/ instead. |
| 03:41.18 | k_sze | What's the difference? |
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| 03:47.22 | astroburger | hi. need some help. i have a dual boot laptop. after installing windows 10, the mbr was over-written. what is a quick way to boot to linux and put grub back? |
| 03:48.45 | markybob | astroburger, i don't have windows 10...but probably... update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 03:49.21 | astroburger | markybob: yep, but how do i boot to debian in the first place? :| |
| 03:49.55 | Pwkay | disable fast boot in bios |
| 03:49.56 | markybob | astroburger, oh, you did it backwards. https://wiki.debian.org/GrubLegacyRecover?action=show&redirect=GrubRecover |
| 03:50.21 | markybob | !tell astroburger grub recover |
| 03:50.51 | markybob | !tell astroburger grub reinstall |
| 03:51.26 | astroburger | oh got it. i'll download the netinst iso and boot into that |
| 03:51.29 | Pwkay | guys, i need help too. Installed debian on my laptop, but, when its ask to setting up wifi and im write correct password, its going to endless cycle of password asking (before instalation, wifi from liveusb work ok). And i cant install grub by no reason |
| 03:51.36 | markybob | astroburger, yes |
| 03:51.39 | Pwkay | Its failed every times |
| 03:51.54 | Pwkay | im on legacy, fast boot disabled |
| 03:51.54 | Pwkay | any ideas? |
| 03:52.07 | Pwkay | and i cant add "boot" flag by installer too |
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| 03:54.24 | Pwkay | i spend like a one day to tries install correcty. Installed manjaro 1st, but its not work, cuz of grub fail. And couldnt repair it, cuz / goes to read-only (idk why) |
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| 03:54.44 | Pwkay | then tryed debian nonfree, cuz of my wifi, but got that problem too |
| 03:55.45 | markybob | Pwkay, did you try the non-free installer? or just non-free repositories? |
| 03:56.47 | Pwkay | i said, im uses nonfree installer |
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| 03:57.21 | markybob | Pwkay, no, you said debian nonfree. not installer. you can specify repositories |
| 03:57.33 | Pwkay | anyways - any ideas? |
| 03:58.03 | Pwkay | i can set up wifi later, but my main problem is grub installation fail |
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| 03:58.18 | Pwkay | idk, why it happens, cuz im on legacy |
| 03:58.55 | Pwkay | and i cant mount / later to repair, cuz it goes to read only (but everything ok with home folder and others) |
| 03:59.28 | Pwkay | also cant set up boot flag to / by installer - i pressed, but its still have no flag |
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| 03:59.49 | Pwkay | i had win8.1 on my machine, but uninstalled (reloaded before starts) |
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| 04:02.43 | Pwkay | i had no problem with installation on my pc, but its old and have no uefi |
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| 04:13.22 | slikts | I don't think I've ever had a backport successfuly build :/ |
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| 04:17.21 | Pwkay | how much need /boot partition? |
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| 04:18.08 | Pwkay | maybe i can install without internets and than install grub to non-root partition? |
| 04:18.28 | dayblur | Having a problem where my machine hangs on shutdown or restart. It's a proxmox system (Jessie-based) running a 4.1.3 kernel. |
| 04:18.54 | k_sze | What's the difference between /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/? |
| 04:19.04 | dayblur | I get a trace "kernel BUG at fs/buffer.c:3006!" |
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| 04:19.57 | dayblur | It seems to be related to unmounting /boot (md-RAID1, 512MB ext2), and if I manually unmount /boot before rebooting there are not problems. |
| 04:20.17 | dayblur | Has anyone seen this before or have any ideas on debugging? |
| 04:20.55 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: did you try installing in regular UEFI mode (not legacy)? |
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| 04:21.51 | jmcnaught | dayblur: Proxmox isn't supported in this channel, only Debian is. There's a ##proxmox channel on this network. |
| 04:23.12 | Pwkay | im tries in legacy.... thats why grub crash is strange oO |
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| 04:25.03 | jmcnaught | k_sze: modules is a file you can list modules to load at boot time. modules.d is where you can define options to be used with modules and other stuff. both have their own man page too. |
| 04:25.15 | dayblur | jmcnaught: Sorry if I wasn't clear. It is a Debian Jessie system, and I've installed the proxmox packages on top. |
| 04:26.00 | k_sze | jmcnaught: I mean, it appears that I can specify options in both cases (/etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf) |
| 04:26.10 | dayblur | jmcnaught: The Proxmox installer doesn't support my desired partition layout, so it's not a standard proxmox install. Since my /boot config is not at all related to the proxmox default install, it is not a proxmox-specific issue. |
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| 04:29.53 | k_sze | jmcnaught: e.g. what's the difference between adding `ixgbe allow_unsupported_sfp=1,1,` to /etc/modules vs putting `options ixgbe allow_unsupported_sfp=1,1` in a /etc/modprobe.d/ixgbe.conf? |
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| 04:34.18 | jmcnaught | k_sze: /etc/modules if you want it loaded at boot. /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf if you want to define options for when/if the module is loaded |
| 04:38.42 | k_sze | I see. |
| 04:39.22 | k_sze | Then why do people talk about adding the rule to /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf, then `depmod -a`, then `update-initramfs -u`? |
| 04:39.51 | k_sze | e.g.: http://wiki.vistor.se/?tag=allow_unsupported_sfp and http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/17540-ixgbe-issue-10Gbit-nic-issue?s=7023cd8bedc1329bb49731be052a4459&p=90285#post90285 |
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| 04:40.31 | k_sze | initramfs doesn't care about /etc/modules, is that it? |
| 04:40.57 | k_sze | And so when initramfs loads a module, it looks for options in /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf |
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| 04:51.42 | jmcnaught | k_sze: listing a module in a conf file in modprobe.d is not enough to get it loaded at boot. modules loaded by udev will use the options in modprobe.d |
| 04:53.38 | k_sze | jmcnaught: "not enough to get it loaded at boot" - I kinda get that. `depmod -a` and then `update-initramfs -u` is supposed to make initramfs load the module at boot time then, right? |
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| 04:55.08 | jmcnaught | k_sze: keep in mind that most modules are loaded automatically by udev. are you trying to get a module included in initrd? |
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| 04:57.15 | Pwkay | im tryed rescatux, but its failed to install grub too. Any ideas? |
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| 04:58.22 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: can you give any more details about the specific error message you get from the Debian installer when you try to install GRUB? Is there anything on the tty4 console about it (Alt+F4) ? |
| 04:59.16 | Pwkay | its doesnt work from rescapp :I |
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| 05:00.45 | k_sze | jmcnaught: it's that we have an Intel 10 Gb ethernet card and it doesn't work at boot time. We still have to manually modprobe it with allow_unsupported_sfp option to get it to work. We want to make it work automatically upon booting. |
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| 05:01.24 | k_sze | jmcnaught: so how do I tell if udev tries to automatically load the module? (it's the ixgbe module in our case) |
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| 05:01.55 | jmcnaught | k_sze: it also doesn't work if you put it in /etc/modules ? |
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| 05:02.05 | k_sze | no, doesn't work in /etc/modules |
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| 05:03.21 | jmcnaught | k_sze: and you're using the stock Debian module? |
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| 05:04.10 | k_sze | good question. |
| 05:04.16 | k_sze | let me ask my team leader. |
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| 05:06.35 | Pwkay | which version of grub i need? efi or frub pc? |
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| 05:06.41 | Pwkay | *g |
| 05:06.44 | Pwkay | or legacy? |
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| 05:07.42 | Pwkay | guys? |
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| 05:10.09 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: pc is for legacy, efi is you are not in legacy mode. |
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| 05:11.58 | Pwkay | okie |
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| 05:12.36 | Pwkay | pc is for 64 and 32 versions? |
| 05:12.47 | Pwkay | cuz there are 2 packages of efi version |
| 05:13.51 | Pwkay | okay, im downloaded them to liveusb by synaptic. How to install now to pc? |
| 05:15.46 | Pwkay | and why gparted set esp flag to 1st partition, selected as boot? |
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| 05:16.05 | Pwkay | or i shoud set "legacy boot"? |
| 05:16.41 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: are you in the debian installer right now? |
| 05:16.46 | Pwkay | yes |
| 05:17.12 | Pwkay | im downloaded grub and its installed on sda without error messages, but idk, is it true or not |
| 05:17.25 | Pwkay | and set / as legacy boot by gparted |
| 05:17.47 | BuzzardBuzz | your pc is amd 64 with efi and bios boot options available in the pc? |
| 05:18.10 | Pwkay | my pc is amd 64, right now on legacy mode without fastboot |
| 05:18.14 | Pwkay | thats what i know |
| 05:18.38 | BuzzardBuzz | thats good and should work fine with the live installer |
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| 05:18.54 | Pwkay | as i said, its failed to install grub by installer |
| 05:19.15 | boxatom | just in and more troubles with booting :( |
| 05:19.18 | BuzzardBuzz | well you could misconfigure the bios to make it fai;l |
| 05:19.25 | BuzzardBuzz | fail* |
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| 05:19.46 | Pwkay | emmh? im only disabled fastboot and switched uefi to legacy |
| 05:20.00 | Pwkay | and set hard disk as 1st bootable device |
| 05:20.04 | Pwkay | nothing more |
| 05:20.06 | BuzzardBuzz | it will certainly fail then |
| 05:20.15 | Pwkay | anyways |
| 05:20.51 | BuzzardBuzz | the live intstaller does not do efi |
| 05:21.02 | Pwkay | it has no grub oO |
| 05:21.12 | Pwkay | i needs to download grub by synaptic |
| 05:21.26 | Pwkay | and there was no gparted too |
| 05:21.58 | boxatom | I have tryied many things, reinstalling debian⦠that did not work, first time boots properly, after first boot no bootâ¦.. I tryed Super Grub and managed to find to boot, but only by using Super Grubâ¦. I tryed Boot Repairâ¦. and it gave me a reportâ¦. this is the report http://paste.ubuntu.com/12236362/ â¦. Can anyone help me? Ive been trying non stop |
| 05:23.02 | Pwkay | i ll try to restart - maybe its work right now |
| 05:23.35 | boxatom | tried* |
| 05:23.40 | BuzzardBuzz | i have only tried to use the live install with an amd 64 machine and used mbr legacy non efi and it works fine |
| 05:24.25 | BuzzardBuzz | others have said on here that the live install wont do anything else |
| 05:24.33 | boxatom | so forcing efi is an issue? |
| 05:24.43 | BuzzardBuzz | you need a different installer |
| 05:24.51 | Pwkay | F*** this s*** |
| 05:24.53 | BuzzardBuzz | to do efi |
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| 05:25.04 | BuzzardBuzz | not the live one |
| 05:25.13 | Pwkay | bios still cant find grub |
| 05:25.14 | boxatom | Im not using live one, im using normal install⦠|
| 05:25.31 | BuzzardBuzz | if you have bios you should not try to use efi |
| 05:25.53 | Pwkay | idk, how to call it, im nooob :I |
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| 05:26.10 | boxatom | so does this mean I need to reinstall completely like for the 4th time :D |
| 05:26.27 | Pwkay | There are laptop with win 8.1 (now uninstalled) and uefi, but i switched uefi to legacy |
| 05:26.32 | BuzzardBuzz | it depends on the target hardware requirements |
| 05:26.45 | BuzzardBuzz | and its configureation |
| 05:26.57 | Pwkay | wtf i should do to make it boot? cuz it says me to insert bootable device |
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| 05:28.49 | BuzzardBuzz | if you are encoutering errors then your hardware is likely misconfigured or you are not using the correct hardware for the installer that you are trying to use |
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| 05:28.51 | Pwkay | im ****s with linux installation 2 days =_= laptop is my only machine for work, cuz my pc is core2duo toaster. And Im out of ideas, what should i do |
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| 05:29.43 | Pwkay | im uses debian amd64 nonfree as i said, cuz there are no free drivers for my wifi |
| 05:29.46 | BuzzardBuzz | you said that you have amd 64 type machine with bios |
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| 05:30.45 | BuzzardBuzz | do you have ssd drive or normal hd? |
| 05:31.23 | Pwkay | i have amd64 laptop with uefi in legacy mode. |
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| 05:31.27 | BuzzardBuzz | have you set the boot device to have mbr and not efi boot in your bios? |
| 05:31.37 | Pwkay | hdd drive and its 1st bootable |
| 05:31.55 | BuzzardBuzz | efi boot will certainly fail |
| 05:31.56 | Pwkay | i said - i set legacy in settings and no fast boot |
| 05:32.13 | BuzzardBuzz | legacy efi boot will certainly fail |
| 05:32.23 | Pwkay | what should i do? |
| 05:32.25 | BuzzardBuzz | you need no efi |
| 05:32.28 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: there is no such thing as legacy efi. it's EFI, or it's BIOS boot. |
| 05:32.46 | quantic | legacy boot = BIOS. |
| 05:32.58 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: How big is your HDD/SSD? |
| 05:33.03 | quantic | wait. wrong dude. |
| 05:33.06 | quantic | Pwkay: you. drive size. |
| 05:33.10 | Pwkay | 1tb |
| 05:33.24 | BuzzardBuzz | ok so your live usb boots fine and you can preveiw the release |
| 05:33.27 | quantic | Pwkay: what media are you using, etc? |
| 05:33.44 | Pwkay | yes, live boots fine |
| 05:33.58 | Pwkay | quatic, you about hardware? |
| 05:34.10 | quantic | Pwkay: end of the installer, what device are you installing the boot loader to? |
| 05:34.13 | BuzzardBuzz | then when you installed it there was an issue with booting the hd? |
| 05:34.55 | Pwkay | i think, its installs to / in installer and to sda (1tb hdd) by synaptic |
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| 05:35.28 | quantic | Pwkay: Try not using the graphical installer. |
| 05:35.47 | quantic | Pwkay: I don't know how mature it is these days, but I always use the text mode installer. if things explode, it lets me know. |
| 05:35.56 | Pwkay | its fails to install by installer and i cant boot to my hdd after restart cuz it says me to insert bootable device |
| 05:36.09 | quantic | Pwkay: what is the failure? |
| 05:36.21 | quantic | Pwkay: error message, etc |
| 05:36.41 | BuzzardBuzz | ok so you dont even get installer to install |
| 05:36.47 | Pwkay | Message n bios to insert bootable devise or reboot |
| 05:36.58 | quantic | Pwkay: you said it fails to install. what error message does the installer give you? |
| 05:37.10 | Pwkay | failed to install grub |
| 05:37.18 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:37.23 | quantic | Pwkay: and you wonder why it won't boot. |
| 05:37.29 | quantic | Pwkay: No GRUB == no boot. |
| 05:37.37 | Pwkay | ikr. But idk how to fix grub |
| 05:38.01 | quantic | Pwkay: K, boot from the live installer and bring up a terminal. let me know when you're there. |
| 05:38.01 | Pwkay | cuz it fails to fix by rescatux |
| 05:38.02 | BuzzardBuzz | so the install works fine untill you try to get to the bootloader section |
| 05:38.30 | Pwkay | nope, i also have problem with wifi, but its not my main problem |
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| 05:39.00 | BuzzardBuzz | so during the live session the wifi is not working |
| 05:39.08 | Pwkay | it works |
| 05:39.08 | quantic | one thing at a time, plz |
| 05:39.12 | Pwkay | during session |
| 05:39.12 | BuzzardBuzz | before you even try to install |
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| 05:39.27 | BuzzardBuzz | but that is a different issue |
| 05:39.40 | Pwkay | but when im insert password in installer, its turns to endless asking of password |
| 05:39.52 | Pwkay | (password is correct) |
| 05:40.17 | BuzzardBuzz | do you have a different pc that always has internet while you are trying the live intstall too? |
| 05:40.20 | Pwkay | quantic, should i turn wifi on before up teminal? |
| 05:40.28 | Pwkay | yes, i have |
| 05:40.30 | quantic | Pwkay: don't really care. :P |
| 05:40.33 | Pwkay | im writing from it |
| 05:40.47 | Pwkay | ok, im on terminal |
| 05:41.30 | quantic | Pwkay: sudo grub-install /dev/sda |
| 05:41.33 | quantic | Pwkay: Tell me what it says. |
| 05:41.57 | Pwkay | grub-install command not found |
| 05:42.03 | quantic | stupid installer... |
| 05:42.09 | BuzzardBuzz | he likely has not set up sudo yet |
| 05:42.18 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: live disc, has sudo. |
| 05:42.22 | Pwkay | there are no grub, i said |
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| 05:43.02 | quantic | Pwkay: the lack of grub is your problem. I wish it had the grub-install binary in the live image. |
| 05:43.15 | quantic | Pwkay: which live disc image are you using? |
| 05:43.20 | quantic | Pwkay: jessie CD 1? |
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| 05:43.32 | Pwkay | amd64 nonfree |
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| 05:43.39 | Pwkay | jessie, yes |
| 05:43.57 | BuzzardBuzz | is dvd or the small cd sized one |
| 05:44.11 | quantic | Pwkay: debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso |
| 05:44.13 | quantic | Pwkay: that one? |
| 05:44.25 | Pwkay | wait |
| 05:45.03 | Pwkay | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 05:45.14 | quantic | Pwkay: Also, in terminal: fdisk -l /dev/sda then either pastebin or PM me the output. |
| 05:45.26 | Pwkay | debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso |
| 05:45.28 | Pwkay | this |
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| 05:46.33 | BuzzardBuzz | that one should have grub on it for resque, i think |
| 05:46.36 | Pwkay | how to pastebin from terminal? |
| 05:46.49 | quantic | Pwkay: derp, good point. |
| 05:47.16 | quantic | Pwkay: I need to know what your partition layout is. however you want to communicate that to me. |
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| 05:47.52 | Pwkay | wait |
| 05:48.30 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: are booting the installer from USB? How did you put the image on the USB stick? |
| 05:48.52 | Pwkay | pastebin.com/Jxc2UGUR |
| 05:49.10 | Pwkay | by dd |
| 05:49.11 | quantic | Pwkay: uh, are you trying to dual boot this? |
| 05:49.15 | Pwkay | no |
| 05:49.16 | quantic | Pwkay: because you got windows all up in that. |
| 05:49.44 | Pwkay | sda2 is renamed efi partition, was here with windows |
| 05:49.52 | Pwkay | idk, can i uninstall it or not |
| 05:49.55 | quantic | Pwkay: none of that matters. |
| 05:50.04 | Pwkay | and last too? |
| 05:50.11 | quantic | Pwkay: your problem is easy. GRUB requires a small partition at the start of the disk when you're installing on a GPT partitioned disk. |
| 05:50.31 | Pwkay | so - i must remove these win partitions? |
| 05:50.43 | quantic | Pwkay: If you don't want to boot windows, why are you keeping windows partitions? |
| 05:50.46 | Pwkay | and make /boot at the disk start? |
| 05:51.05 | quantic | Pwkay: with a 1tb disk, you can switch to mbr and have /boot up front without issues. |
| 05:51.14 | Pwkay | cuz on of these partitions is fat32 efi. Im scared |
| 05:51.27 | quantic | Pwkay: That's just windows EFI boot data. |
| 05:51.31 | Pwkay | okay. what should i do? |
| 05:51.36 | quantic | Pwkay: You can delete that with impunity. |
| 05:51.49 | Pwkay | wait, ll install gparted |
| 05:51.58 | quantic | Pwkay: I'm loading up the live image in a VM, I'll walk you through the install. |
| 05:52.02 | quantic | And you don't need gparted, ffs. |
| 05:52.23 | Pwkay | okie |
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| 05:52.46 | quantic | thank god for vmware |
| 05:52.49 | Pwkay | but there are no grub installed, if synaptic says truth |
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| 05:53.13 | quantic | Pwkay: not yet, no, because there isn't an EF02 partition at the start of the disk. |
| 05:53.26 | Pwkay | okie. What shoul i do? |
| 05:53.34 | Pwkay | *d |
| 05:54.49 | quantic | this thing is slow as balls to boot |
| 05:54.53 | Pwkay | oh, my laptops wifi crashed for no reason oO |
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| 05:55.50 | quantic | Pwkay: yeah, this livecd is black-screening in a VM |
| 05:56.02 | quantic | Pwkay: anyway, there's a part of the installer that asks what disks you want to use, etc. |
| 05:56.15 | Pwkay | okay. What should i do? |
| 05:56.17 | quantic | Pwkay: tell it to clobber everything that's already there. use the whole disk and delete everything else. |
| 05:56.18 | Pwkay | at 1st |
| 05:56.28 | quantic | Pwkay: just use guided partitioning. it'll handle it. |
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| 05:56.33 | Pwkay | use graphic installer or what? |
| 05:57.10 | quantic | Pwkay: if you REALLY want to. :P |
| 05:57.21 | quantic | Pwkay: but yeah, that should be fine. |
| 05:57.35 | Pwkay | ok, if its ll work :I |
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| 05:58.30 | quantic | Pwkay: there we go, got it to boot |
| 05:58.52 | Pwkay | again this wifi bug. Or i can skip internets settings and make it later? |
| 05:59.39 | quantic | Pwkay: yeah, it's easy to configure it later. |
| 05:59.51 | quantic | Pwkay: Okay, at the screen that says "partition disks" at the top, you'll have 4 options. |
| 06:00.02 | quantic | Pwkay: Choose the one that says "guided - use entire disk and set up LVM" |
| 06:00.41 | quantic | Pwkay: You'll come up to another option that reads "All files in one partition (recommended for new users)" go with that one. |
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| 06:00.50 | Pwkay | but i made it by hand on my pc .-. or its same? |
| 06:01.08 | Pwkay | cuz i needs 100gb home and 8gb swap |
| 06:01.25 | quantic | Pwkay: Keepin it real, you're here having someone else help you get grub working. you don't have that specific of requirements. |
| 06:01.58 | Pwkay | okie |
| 06:02.00 | quantic | Pwkay: And unless you're running a data analytics box, you don't need 8 gig swap. |
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| 06:02.32 | Pwkay | i have 8gb ram and heard about same swap |
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| 06:02.38 | quantic | Pwkay: In short: no. |
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| 06:02.50 | Pwkay | ok. Can i set up home not in root here? |
| 06:02.53 | quantic | Pwkay: Though the installer will likely default to that anyway. |
| 06:03.14 | quantic | Pwkay: dude, you won't need separate partitions on a laptop. you need it to boot. |
| 06:03.21 | Pwkay | ok |
| 06:03.32 | Pwkay | but backups... but ok |
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| 06:03.54 | quantic | Pwkay: yeah, you back up the /home directory to something NOT on that system. Having a separate partition has nothing to do with that. |
| 06:04.19 | Pwkay | ammh |
| 06:04.41 | Pwkay | it shows me strange variant of disk usage |
| 06:04.52 | quantic | strange how? |
| 06:06.33 | Pwkay | 982.9GB etx /, 17gb swap and 254mb boot. then #5 lvm with K flag and its as logical |
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| 06:06.39 | Pwkay | is it ok? |
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| 06:06.47 | Pwkay | *ext |
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| 06:07.32 | Pwkay | (ext4 i means) |
| 06:07.50 | quantic | Pwkay: Sounds about right. |
| 06:07.53 | Pwkay | okie |
| 06:08.19 | Hilary_ | Hi! I have a question. I got my own program and I want to push that to official debian repos. There is any way to do that? How it looks like? |
| 06:08.23 | Pwkay | didnt understand, what this 9999gb K logical means, but ok |
| 06:08.36 | Pwkay | *999.9 |
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| 06:08.46 | quantic | Pwkay: it's being used as a container for logical volumes. research on that is left to you. |
| 06:09.12 | Pwkay | ok, its starts to work |
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| 06:09.26 | Pwkay | i ll write, when this stage ends |
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| 06:09.35 | BuzzardBuzz | Hilary_: what does the program do? |
| 06:10.10 | Pwkay | debian strongly needs aur alternative lol |
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| 06:11.00 | Hilary_ | BuzzardBuzz: that's simple program to create bash script to configure fresh debian. But that's not important IMHO, because that's general question :) |
| 06:11.52 | Hilary_ | I have a lot of programs what I want to give to repo when they'll be stable. |
| 06:12.12 | Pwkay | its almost ends |
| 06:12.30 | Pwkay | its asking me about using mirror. Can i add it later? |
| 06:12.36 | Hilary_ | Important for me is how way to push any program to official deb repo looks like. |
| 06:12.58 | quantic | Pwkay: Yeah, that's fine. |
| 06:13.13 | Pwkay | again |
| 06:13.15 | Pwkay | grub fail |
| 06:13.23 | BuzzardBuzz | Hilary_: i think there is a channel for devs for that kind of interesting stuff |
| 06:13.31 | quantic | Pwkay: Any details? |
| 06:13.45 | Pwkay | "cant install "grub-pc" to /target/." |
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| 06:14.01 | quantic | Pwkay: where did you tell it to install grub? |
| 06:14.16 | Pwkay | its set automatically at end of disk |
| 06:14.23 | quantic | Pwkay: no, no it isn't. |
| 06:14.31 | quantic | Pwkay: because a boot loader goes at the start of the disk. |
| 06:14.40 | Pwkay | what should i do now? |
| 06:14.41 | quantic | Pwkay: It asked you what device you wanted grub installed to. What did you select? |
| 06:14.46 | Pwkay | sda |
| 06:15.19 | Hilary_ | BuzzardBuzz: I hope. But here's a lot of people, so I belive that someone know anything about. |
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| 06:16.02 | Hilary_ | BuzzardBuzz: //I feel like my msg sounds stranger than I expected. Sorry for my english ;) |
| 06:16.23 | Pwkay | any ideas? |
| 06:16.33 | quantic | Pwkay: Gonna go out on a limb and say it's not purging the old partition data properly. |
| 06:16.58 | quantic | Pwkay: Boot it into the live environment, and we'll get rid of the existing partition table. Give it a fresh start. |
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| 06:17.41 | Pwkay | emmh... my english isnt good too... I must abandon installation and restart? or what? |
| 06:17.49 | quantic | Pwkay: Yeah, unfortunately. |
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| 06:18.48 | quantic | Pwkay: This time, use the live environment. |
| 06:19.20 | Pwkay | what is it? |
| 06:19.28 | Pwkay | (turns off so slow) |
| 06:19.31 | BuzzardBuzz | Hilary_: your english is fine, see my pm |
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| 06:20.08 | Pwkay | ok. Im loaded liveusb and on boot menu. |
| 06:20.22 | BuzzardBuzz | Pwkay: i think grub demands that there be an mbr type formatted hard drive |
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| 06:20.39 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: No. |
| 06:20.46 | quantic | Pwkay: Choose Live, the first option. |
| 06:20.50 | Pwkay | what should i do next? |
| 06:20.59 | Pwkay | ok |
| 06:21.05 | quantic | Pwkay: Let me know when the gnome desktop loads |
| 06:21.12 | Hilary_ | BuzzardBuzz: thanks ;) |
| 06:21.18 | Pwkay | already |
| 06:21.25 | quantic | Pwkay: bring up a terminal |
| 06:21.44 | Pwkay | done |
| 06:22.04 | quantic | Pwkay: you have a net connection in the live environment? |
| 06:22.17 | Pwkay | yep, but it fails sometimes |
| 06:22.26 | Pwkay | wait, i ll turb it on |
| 06:22.29 | Pwkay | *n |
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| 06:23.03 | Pwkay | whats now? |
| 06:23.06 | quantic | Pwkay: actually, I think we're good without. |
| 06:23.12 | quantic | sudo -i |
| 06:23.16 | quantic | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 06:23.30 | quantic | Pwkay: what is the disklabel type? |
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| 06:24.15 | Pwkay | 1st linux, 2rd extended, 3rd linuv lvm |
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| 06:24.41 | Pwkay | but 3rd looks like 2rd clone |
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| 06:25.05 | Pwkay | cuz of 931g size |
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| 06:25.19 | quantic | that sucked |
| 06:25.26 | Pwkay | what should i do? |
| 06:25.29 | quantic | anyway, disklabel type? |
| 06:25.46 | Pwkay | emmm... which graph is it? |
| 06:25.51 | quantic | Pwkay: "sudo -i" gets you to a root prompt. "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to print the partition table. |
| 06:25.58 | quantic | Pwkay: read me the line that says "disklabel type" |
| 06:26.08 | Pwkay | sda1 linux, sda2 extended, sda5 linux lvm |
| 06:26.32 | quantic | Pwkay: that's not what I asked for. |
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| 06:26.49 | Pwkay | and also "partition3 doesnt start on physical sector boundry" |
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| 06:26.56 | Pwkay | *a |
| 06:27.01 | quantic | Pwkay: read me the line that says "disklabel type" |
| 06:27.11 | quantic | its gonna be "dos" or "gpt". |
| 06:27.18 | Pwkay | there are no this line |
| 06:27.32 | quantic | Pwkay: okay. |
| 06:27.35 | quantic | Pwkay: gdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:27.43 | Pwkay | oh i found |
| 06:27.44 | Pwkay | dos |
| 06:27.53 | quantic | Pwkay: cool, probably some issue with gpt remnant |
| 06:27.57 | quantic | Pwkay: gdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:27.59 | quantic | Pwkay: x |
| 06:28.01 | quantic | Pwkay: z |
| 06:28.21 | quantic | Pwkay: it'll ask to wipe out GPT on /dev/sda. say yes. It'll ask if you want to zap the MBR, too. Say yes. |
| 06:28.40 | Pwkay | ok |
| 06:28.54 | Pwkay | wait |
| 06:29.06 | Pwkay | i should tipe "x" after gdisk command? |
| 06:29.18 | quantic | After you enter "gdisk /dev/sda" |
| 06:29.20 | Pwkay | it says "mbr only" |
| 06:29.28 | quantic | it'll have a prompt "Command (? for help):" |
| 06:29.37 | Pwkay | yes, i have its too |
| 06:29.37 | quantic | At that prompt, enter "x" and press enter. |
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| 06:29.40 | Pwkay | type here? |
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| 06:29.49 | quantic | Pwkay: After that, it'll ask for "Expert command". |
| 06:29.53 | quantic | Enter "z" and press enter. |
| 06:29.56 | Pwkay | expert commant |
| 06:30.16 | Pwkay | bank out mbr? |
| 06:30.19 | Pwkay | *l |
| 06:30.21 | quantic | Pwkay: yes. |
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| 06:30.46 | Pwkay | it end |
| 06:30.47 | Pwkay | s |
| 06:30.50 | Pwkay | whats right now? |
| 06:31.07 | quantic | Pwkay: now, reboot and try the installer again. if it still breaks, it's probably an issue with the graphical installer itself. |
| 06:31.25 | Pwkay | no, cuz im tries manjaro installer before |
| 06:31.31 | Pwkay | and there was same problem |
| 06:31.40 | quantic | Pwkay: probably gpt issue, then. we'll see how this goes. |
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| 06:32.13 | Pwkay | restarted and now in live |
| 06:32.23 | quantic | Pwkay: try installing now. |
| 06:32.37 | Pwkay | ok |
| 06:33.02 | quantic | Pwkay: good luck. i gotta head to bed. |
| 06:33.18 | Pwkay | whats if i ll fails again? |
| 06:33.48 | Pwkay | and goodnight too |
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| 06:37.01 | Pwkay | *going for tamborine* |
| 06:37.14 | quantic | Pwkay: try the text installer, probably |
| 06:38.12 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: if you use the text installer it gives detailed error messages on tty4 which you can access with Alt+F4, and then to get back to the installer on tty1 use Alt+F1 |
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| 06:39.55 | Pwkay | f*** that |
| 06:39.57 | Pwkay | failed again |
| 06:40.28 | Pwkay | im out of ideas |
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| 06:40.46 | BuzzardBuzz | Pwkay: if you format your disk to have an mbr boot record before you run the installer i bet it will work better |
| 06:41.19 | Pwkay | what should i do? |
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| 06:41.54 | BuzzardBuzz | remember your idea to use gparted and put the mbr on the disk |
| 06:42.06 | BuzzardBuzz | that idea would work |
| 06:42.31 | BuzzardBuzz | having the gpt on the disk is not working |
| 06:42.35 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: did you try the text installer this time? |
| 06:42.42 | Pwkay | i didnt yet |
| 06:44.27 | BuzzardBuzz | the live boot stick is using mbr too i bet |
| 06:44.40 | BuzzardBuzz | and that is why that works |
| 06:44.49 | Pwkay | im tries to install grub by synapti |
| 06:44.50 | Pwkay | c |
| 06:45.35 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: he isnt using gpt at all. we made sure of thay twice. |
| 06:45.35 | BuzzardBuzz | grub does not like gpt without a bunch of tricks |
| 06:45.38 | Pwkay | and it says "grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `aufs'. |
| 06:45.42 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: are you in a live boot right now? The synaptic in that live boot is for installing packages in the virtual/live boot currently running, not for installing to the debian on your hard drive |
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| 06:45.59 | Pwkay | yep, im in live |
| 06:46.03 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: please try using an installer image, not a live image. |
| 06:46.09 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: grub is fine with gpt. |
| 06:46.27 | Pwkay | okay.... but isnt there are no nonfree images? |
| 06:46.41 | BuzzardBuzz | well may it is if you know the tricks |
| 06:47.04 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Pwkay about firmware images |
| 06:47.07 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: reading the documentation is a trick, then. |
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| 06:47.32 | Pwkay | what should i do? |
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| 06:47.54 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: create reserved boot partition at front of disk, type ef02. run grub install. |
| 06:48.05 | choice | Hello! These days, whats a good way to install Debian into an encrypted partition? Is there an automated way or do you still have to do it manually? |
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| 06:48.16 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: the dpkg bot sent you links to the unofficial images that contain non-free firmwares. you should be installing grub with the debian installer, not synaptic in a live boot. |
| 06:48.43 | quantic | jmcnaught: he was running via the installer. |
| 06:48.54 | quantic | jmcnaught: graphical installer. |
| 06:49.07 | Pwkay | ok, im download it |
| 06:49.56 | Pwkay | i ll tell, when it ends (my internets isnt fast) and it ll be awesome, if someone ll guide me |
| 06:50.30 | jmcnaught | quantic: she/he was also pasting errors from synaptic trying to install grub to canonical path of "aufs" |
| 06:50.45 | Pwkay | wow. There are "torrent not found" error, but its still download |
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| 06:51.56 | Pwkay | oh, my head... afk for 5 mins, until its ll be downloaded |
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| 06:53.39 | BuzzardBuzz | how come a google seach finds this? quantic: Grub failing to install on Debian/Ubuntu with GPT partitions ... |
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| 06:56.05 | quantic | BuzzardBuzz: dunno, considering ive got multiple systems in this room booted off of grub on gpt. |
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| 06:58.50 | jmcnaught | jessie installed on my UEFI system, and i use GPT, no problems at all |
| 06:59.00 | Kathgrar | Hey |
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| 07:01.58 | Pwkay | downloaded. Now dd it? |
| 07:02.31 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: yeah, or i just use cp |
| 07:02.47 | Pwkay | cp? oO |
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| 07:03.20 | choice | Hm... googling around, it seems there is no easy way to install Debian into an encrypted partition. |
| 07:03.37 | calher | I installed Debian with KDE. How do I remove it? |
| 07:03.42 | shay_shay | question, xchat comes with this metapackage, if i try to uninstall it is it going to try to uninstall the metapackage? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/cinnamon-desktop-environment |
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| 07:04.00 | shay_shay | or because its only a recommends and not a depends |
| 07:04.05 | shay_shay | it wont? |
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| 07:04.43 | jmcnaught | choice: the debian installer does encryption |
| 07:05.07 | choice | jmcnaught: but only full disk, right? i only want to encrypt the partition i install debian into. |
| 07:05.43 | Pwkay | you can encrypt home partition |
| 07:05.46 | choice | jmcnaught: also i dont want it to create a volume group. just an encrypted partition. |
| 07:05.54 | choice | Pwkay: i know, but i want to encrypt the whole partition. |
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| 07:07.16 | Pwkay | done. Whats right now? boot it and then? |
| 07:07.30 | ChrisH | choice: I do not install without LVM, but the setup for encryption below a partition and below LVM shoould be the same. May I ask why no LVM? |
| 07:08.04 | Pwkay | wut. isolinux.bin misgin or corrupt |
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| 07:09.02 | choice | ChrisH: i find it cumbersome to deal with volume groups. its less complex to just have a single device. |
| 07:09.39 | ChrisH | choice: unless one filesystem is filled up and there is plenty of space in anoyher... but it's your box :) |
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| 07:09.49 | choice | ChrisH: the problem is: the installer does only offer "physical volume for encrytpion" in gparted or whatever it offers. and i think that will install an lvm. |
| 07:10.41 | ChrisH | choice: no. I expect you can use that "PV" for filesystem creation. As mentioned before I use LVM everywhere, so never testes myself. |
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| 07:12.32 | jmcnaught | choice: the guided partitioning only offers encryption with LVM (which gives you flexibility later for resizing, has snapshots), you can configure it manually if you set a disk as "physical volume for encryption" that does not mean LVM |
| 07:12.46 | Pwkay | im installed and succefully launched |
| 07:12.50 | Pwkay | whats right now? |
| 07:12.55 | choice | jmcnaught: let me try... |
| 07:13.02 | Pwkay | im on netinstaller menu |
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| 07:13.38 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: proceed with the installation, refer to the install manual, ask here if you have questions |
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| 07:13.57 | Pwkay | install or graphical install? |
| 07:14.09 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: install, not the graphical one |
| 07:14.21 | Pwkay | okie. Gimme installation manual plz? |
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| 07:14.37 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 07:15.20 | Pwkay | lol, nvm - it looks like dos installer lol |
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| 07:15.54 | RoyK | Pwkay: never used linux before? ;) |
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| 07:16.25 | RoyK | Pwkay: even windows server now comes in textmode installs to avoid unnecessary overhead |
| 07:16.30 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: you should still read the installation manual, it's available here in other languages: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 07:17.49 | Pwkay | wow |
| 07:17.56 | Pwkay | wifi works here without bugs |
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| 07:18.49 | Pwkay | okay. Whats about partitions? |
| 07:19.02 | Pwkay | Still try automatically or? |
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| 07:19.26 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: used guided partitioning with LVM, everything in one partition |
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| 07:20.20 | Pwkay | done. Change nothing in lvm or? |
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| 07:20.47 | Pwkay | it sets 250mv ext2 partition as /boot |
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| 07:21.03 | Pwkay | *mb |
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| 07:21.54 | jmcnaught | Pwkay: good luck, i need to go to sleep. probably best to read the install manual :) |
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| 07:22.19 | Pwkay | uhoh... goodnight |
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| 07:27.02 | xeirrr | Hello forks. I have installed Debian unstable and updated to Sid at the end of June. until now, it is 2 month. Is it safe to run a dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:31.22 | jelly | xeirrr: um... "unstable" and "sid" are the same thing. Use #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not this network!) for questions about sid |
| 07:31.48 | Pwkay | oh, my head... :c |
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| 07:40.36 | Kurvivor | hello! my more program does not behaves as it should, that is, text piped to it is fully output (it is longer then screen) |
| 07:40.57 | Kurvivor | i suspect the system has wrong idea on how many lines there are in the screen |
| 07:41.11 | Kurvivor | is there a way to check and correct this| |
| 07:41.17 | Kurvivor | *? |
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| 07:47.05 | ChrisH | Kurvivor: run resize |
| 07:47.27 | ChrisH | or resize the window once more. |
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| 07:49.03 | Kurvivor | i am not in X, so that is impossible (resizing window) |
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| 07:49.11 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 07:49.35 | Kurvivor | but it turned out the program i was piping to more did it output on stream 2 (stderr i believe) |
| 07:49.39 | tite12345 | This is weird, first my Tor Browser suddenly closed and just recently my system played an alarm sound. |
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| 07:50.16 | tite12345 | You know, the default sound you have when you backspace on terminal and hear a `drip` sound when the cursor can't go any further backwards because it's the furthest back it can go? |
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| 07:50.35 | tite12345 | Now I'm doing`clamscan` to see if someone has just intruded my system. |
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| 07:52.24 | ChrisH | Kurvivor: then resize |
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| 07:52.44 | choice | How big should i make the boot partition? |
| 07:53.26 | ChrisH | choice: thats a df from one of my active installations: /dev/md4 160M 39M 113M 26% /boot |
| 07:53.56 | ChrisH | choice: so 200-300MB lvol should be sufficient and is increasable in case. |
| 07:53.59 | choice | 160m? interesting .thats small. |
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| 07:54.55 | jelly | choice: and yet you can fit five kernels+initrds in there |
| 07:55.15 | choice | i will use 512mb just in case |
| 07:55.34 | choice | is that called the "Reserved BIOS boot area" in the installer? |
| 07:55.57 | ChrisH | choice: and you once more see the cons on using fixed partitions and no LVM :) |
| 07:56.13 | choice | ChrisH: ? |
| 07:56.15 | jelly | ChrisH: well /boot has always been special |
| 07:56.48 | ChrisH | jelly: well... meanwhile /boot can be in LVM without any problems. I accidently tested it once |
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| 07:57.16 | jelly | ChrisH: good luck booting that when stuff breaks |
| 07:57.48 | choice | ChrisH: the lvm is encrypted, so /boot cannot go there. |
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| 07:58.17 | choice | by the way, im setting up the system without swap partition. any downsides to that? |
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| 07:59.46 | RoyK | choice: then linux can't swap out unused pages to use the memory more efficiently than using it to store idle processes |
| 08:00.05 | choice | hmmm... |
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| 08:00.35 | ChrisH | choice: with encrypted LVM, keep /boot seperate. and do not assign all disk space to lvols at the very beginning. keep disk space unused. |
| 08:00.45 | RoyK | also, if your memory fills up for some reason, the machine will get OOM errors and start killing processes, instead of just swapping out and slowing down things |
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| 08:01.35 | choice | hmm.. so how do i go about adding an encrypted swap partition? |
| 08:01.44 | choice | yet ANOTHER encrypted LVM? |
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| 08:02.08 | ChrisH | jelly: I had it once non-booting. No difference compared to /boot on /dev/mdX sperated. I was surpised too when finding out I forgot to use the dedicated /boot and the box was booting without any problems. |
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| 08:02.26 | ChrisH | choice: another lvol |
| 08:02.59 | choice | ChrisH: the installer assigned all the encrypted space to /. i see no way to change that. |
| 08:03.33 | ChrisH | choice: you need to delete the lvol manually and create a new one with less space assigned. |
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| 08:04.00 | choice | ChrisH: there seems to be no way to delet it. |
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| 08:07.43 | ChrisH | choice: there is one... but as I setup manually normally I cannot say where. sorry |
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| 08:18.31 | choice | ChrisH: i doubt it. i treied everything. i rebooted twice. there seems to be no way. |
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| 08:20.12 | Aprendiz1234 | hi all. I have a problem with ACLs in Debian Jessie. I have a folder with 700 permission but when I set a user in ACL it changes to 770 and break my permissions. is this normal? |
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| 08:22.38 | choice | so i will go without swap for now |
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| 08:33.24 | ezra-s | Aprendiz1234: what do you mean by break permissions and how do you "set a user in ACL" exactly? |
| 08:33.33 | itt788 | I'm trying to configure proftpd; I'm finding only old configuration tutorials online. The one I'm following right now is from ~ 2007 and it seems by looking at the sample config file provided by default that things have changed a bit since then. |
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| 08:34.59 | ezra-s | itt788: do you mean you have checked proftpd documentation page and that it is outdated? |
| 08:35.34 | itt788 | the default path for TLSRSACerificateFile and ..KeyFile is /etc/ssl while online tuto use /etc/proftpd/ssl. |
| 08:36.03 | itt788 | the tutorial I found on internet |
| 08:36.45 | itt788 | is it better to keep the sertificates in /etc/ssl than /etc/proftpd/ssl? |
| 08:36.52 | choice | I created a boot partition for my encrypted install. But grub does not see it. What can I do about it? |
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| 08:37.02 | ChrisH | itt788: Its better not to use FTP at all |
| 08:37.04 | ezra-s | itt788: that really depends on your needs |
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| 08:37.29 | itt788 | I need a server on which people can drop files |
| 08:37.39 | itt788 | from whatever system |
| 08:37.50 | Aprendiz1234 | ezra-s: setfacl -m u:user:rwx Folder. I mean that if I set 770 permission I don't want to change to 770 because I don't want group access. I know how to solve, changing to root group permission, but I don 't know why is changing. |
| 08:37.52 | itt788 | win/mac/lin |
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| 08:38.42 | itt788 | ChrisH: why not using ftp at all? even sftp? |
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| 08:39.44 | ChrisH | itt788: scp/sftp works from any system. ftps is different from sftp! ftps normally only encrypts user/pw and leaves data unencrypoted. |
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| 08:41.07 | itt788 | ChrisH: so sftp, do you recommend? |
| 08:41.37 | choice | I think my boot partition is not ready for uefi or something. Can I repair it somehow? |
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| 08:42.34 | ChrisH | itt788: sftp is OK |
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| 08:42.41 | bobo` | ban bfit bielewelt bier bieyeik2aX BiGBOi binwiederhier bipolar Bish BlackDevil blackjack blackjac| BlackoutIsHere|O blackroot Blaguvest blazed bleomycin blip2 blommer BlueEagl1 blueness boblee bobo` bogus- bois bolovanos bolt BotaniCar boubou_afk boudiccas__ bourbon bps brammator break19 break3r Brian- brolin_empey brong brontosaurusrex brouette Bryanstein BuFF bumbar__ Butt3rfly bw_ BWMerlin bxz bylzz bzed c0ded c |
| 08:42.41 | bobo` | 0fe_machine c0ncealed Cabanossi cadeskywalker cafuego cali Caplain capri CapsAdmin CarlGel Carno carver cats cbdev cbmuser cdrage CeBe Ceber Cecil Celelibi ceny cerebro_ Cerise cesurasean chainsaw10 chalcedny Chani charliegreen Che-Anarc chenuki Chex chimeracoder Chocolate_Chip choice ChrisH Christian2 chromas chroneos chrysn_ CHVNX Cipher45 cirucito CissWit civillian ckuehl clopez clorophormo clu5ter cmdbbq CME cmh |
| 08:42.52 | matthiaskrgr | lulz |
| 08:42.57 | itt788 | ChrisH: ftp with tls is sftp or ftps? |
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| 08:43.11 | itt788 | AFAIK SFTP |
| 08:43.12 | boudiccas__ | bobo` ; you're a prat! |
| 08:43.45 | apg | boudiccas__ may be a bot. |
| 08:43.50 | ChrisH | itt788: "ftp with tls" is from my understanding it's ftps; sftp uses ssh as transfer protocoll. |
| 08:43.53 | Ad1_RnR | kick im |
| 08:43.55 | Ad1_RnR | him* |
| 08:44.04 | alexlist | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.09 | Ad1_RnR | i see ;) |
| 08:44.12 | matthiaskrgr | smart people here ... |
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| 08:44.33 | choice | Is there a way to start a "normal" Debian install on an uefi system? |
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| 08:45.07 | Pwkay | HOLY **** |
| 08:45.25 | Pwkay | INSTALLED BY NETINSTALLER AND IT WORKS |
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| 08:46.01 | matthiaskrgr | Pwkay: you must've done something wrong then :> |
| 08:46.36 | ezra-s | Aprendiz1234: try to enter with another user, you will see it cant go in |
| 08:46.36 | Pwkay | thanks so much guys! |
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| 08:47.10 | Ad1_RnR | choice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlOd-a2wG0 |
| 08:47.17 | Ad1_RnR | it could help you |
| 08:47.19 | itt788 | ChrisH: at the link below the user says that by using tls the whole communication can be encrypted. http://www.debianadmin.com/ftp-server-setup-with-tls-transport-layer-security-on-debian.html |
| 08:47.36 | Pwkay | and wifi works fine. Its failed sometimes when downloaded gnome, but it saves process of installation - so i made it. Now, by diggest brain's pain gone |
| 08:47.46 | Aprendiz1234 | ezra-s: The problem is tha group is a domain users group so all users could go in. But I don't understand setfacl change group permission for owners |
| 08:47.50 | Pwkay | *my *biggest |
| 08:47.55 | Pwkay | oh, my head... |
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| 08:48.02 | Pwkay | BUT IT WORKS |
| 08:48.03 | choice | Ad1_RnR: i already installed without uefi. i wonder if i can repair it now. |
| 08:48.11 | Pwkay | Yo guys are awesome :D |
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| 08:48.24 | Pwkay | Idk, why it fails from graphic installer |
| 08:48.41 | Ad1_RnR | i tried install Xubuntu on UEFI, but I failed, instalation was finished, but Xubuntu doesn't start :D |
| 08:49.14 | Ad1_RnR | I'm to lazy to try few times xD |
| 08:49.19 | choice | Maybe I should set the laptop into "legacy mode" and it will boot normally? |
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| 08:49.39 | Ad1_RnR | yeah, legacy mode always work properly |
| 08:49.55 | Pwkay | my was on legacy, but i had 2 days of brainf**k |
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| 08:50.09 | Pwkay | cuz of bug in live cd |
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| 08:53.52 | choice | in legacy mode it says there is no os on the hd :( |
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| 08:54.42 | Pwkay | choice, i wasnt here. Whats your problem again? |
| 08:55.23 | choice | Pwkay: installed debian in an encrypted partition. laptop still boots into ubuntu. |
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| 08:56.37 | choice | guess its because of uefi |
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| 08:56.52 | ezra-s | Aprendiz1234: I don't understand, if you don't want certain group to go in, why do you have group permission for that directory in the first place? make it root:root |
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| 08:57.49 | Aprendiz1234 | ezra-s: Yes, I know I can have root:root but It was strange for me that setfacl change group owner permissions. |
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| 09:02.58 | Pwkay | maybe tryes netinstaller too? |
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| 09:03.18 | Pwkay | gl guys, im going to sleep |
| 09:06.43 | ezra-s | Aprendiz1234: it needs to allow access, and user permissions are for user only |
| 09:06.55 | ezra-s | so it sets rwxrwx---+ |
| 09:08.30 | choice | So I recreated my encrypted debian system in a chroot environment. Will I somehow be able to repair grub with uefi support now? |
| 09:08.58 | LitoII | how can I activate openGL with wine? |
| 09:08.59 | xmpp | Why does not Debian have glib? |
| 09:09.06 | xmpp | I am having issues building a packing |
| 09:09.20 | Aprendiz1234 | ezra-s: OK, thanks for solving my doubt. I change all to root:root then. |
| 09:09.30 | RoyK | ezra-s: that + at the end means the file's got extra ACLs |
| 09:09.49 | RoyK | ezra-s: getfacl filename.adsf |
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| 09:10.10 | Amun_Ra | itt788: ftps |
| 09:10.34 | jelly | xmpp: sure it does. What's your goal, and can you show the complete output of your failed build? Put it in our pastebin, http://paste.debian.net/ and provide the result URL here |
| 09:10.51 | xmpp | jelly, https://github.com/TingPing/hexchat-otr |
| 09:10.58 | xmpp | my goal is to build this |
| 09:11.13 | xmpp | and get it to work, but when I do ./aut.... it says glib-2.0 not found |
| 09:11.28 | ezra-s | RoyK: yes, that's what Aprendiz1234 is doing |
| 09:12.01 | ezra-s | RoyK: he just didn't understand why after setting an acl for a user it would add group permissions |
| 09:12.28 | RoyK | ah |
| 09:12.30 | SynrG | indeed, the man page is not entirely clear on it |
| 09:12.40 | jelly | xmpp: do something like "apt-cache search libglib dev". You need to install the appropriate -dev packages for your build dependencies |
| 09:12.46 | SynrG | it says if the filesystem doesn't support ACLs, the file mode will be changed |
| 09:12.55 | xmpp | jelly, ok thanks mam |
| 09:13.01 | SynrG | however, it doesn't say that changing group is needed to add an ACL for a user |
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| 09:13.44 | SynrG | did i overlook something in setfacl(1)? or is it doc'd elsewhere? |
| 09:14.24 | xmpp | jelly, anyways what do you use for OTR? Xmpp+OTR or IRC? |
| 09:14.42 | jelly | xmpp: at present time? pidgin |
| 09:15.00 | jelly | xmpp: fun things with pidgin: otr over skype |
| 09:15.20 | at0m | xmpp: also, irssi-xmpp and -otr |
| 09:15.53 | at0m | pidgin is way easy though |
| 09:15.56 | xmpp | jelly, ok |
| 09:16.11 | xmpp | I use Psi+ with OTR |
| 09:16.18 | xmpp | XMPP of course |
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| 09:19.06 | SynrG | Aprendiz1234, ezra-s: answering my own question about doc, it looks like the acl man page covers this, i.e. acl(5) ... under "correspondence between acl entries and file permission bits" |
| 09:19.15 | drprune | xmpp: "apt-get build-dep hexchat" may get most of what you need, (except the crypt parts) |
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| 09:23.26 | Ad1_RnR | choice: maybe try install debian again on legacy mode this time |
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| 09:26.03 | k_sze | Is there a place where I can find a list of the kernel module versions packaged with a Debian release? |
| 09:26.10 | k_sze | I mean online. |
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| 09:27.40 | rozie | well, sources are published, but I guess it's not the form you ask about |
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| 09:29.08 | k_sze | jmcnaught: the ixgbe version we have is 3.23.2.1 |
| 09:29.56 | SynrG | i tend to use the doc of the upstreams of kernel modules to tell me in what kernel that version first appears |
| 09:30.11 | SynrG | if the doc doesn't tell me, then there's the source |
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| 09:30.35 | DoctorD90 | says SynrG that he doesnt know ....lol |
| 09:31.06 | borosky | hi, would anyone be able to advise why i cant run: "tar cvzf - dir/ | split --bytes=200MB - sda1.backup.tar.gz." in screen? |
| 09:31.09 | SynrG | it's much harder to prove a negative. i'm pretty sure there *isn't* such a list ... |
| 09:31.12 | borosky | im actually getting a mess like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/moey8cq53ufyzhv/matrix.PNG?dl=0 |
| 09:31.26 | SynrG | but haven't performed an exaustive search of the Internet yet ;) |
| 09:31.32 | SynrG | exhaustive* |
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| 09:33.45 | jelly | borosky: possibly your version of split doesn't work on pipes at all? |
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| 09:34.25 | jelly | borosky: are you saying that only happens inside screen, but works otherwise? |
| 09:36.30 | borosky | yes so it seems jelly |
| 09:36.42 | borosky | i ran it without screen fine |
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| 09:39.50 | choice | Ad1_RnR: yeah, maybe. it seems all broken |
| 09:40.00 | Aprendiz1234 | I have to resize a partition from 2TB to 4TB but I use parted resize /dev/sdb 1049kb 4192GB and give me "Error: Could not stat device resize" but the output for parted print isNumber Start End Size File system Name Flags |
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| 09:41.14 | OUTsider | abrotman: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=191385 <- solved my pid permission issue :) |
| 09:41.33 | OUTsider | especially message 14 :) |
| 09:41.39 | SynrG | Aprendiz1234: sounds like the syntax of your resize command is wrong. that message things that 'resize' is the name of your device. |
| 09:41.44 | OUTsider | now the rest :P |
| 09:41.58 | SynrG | Aprendiz1234: check the doc for the correct syntax |
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| 09:43.13 | SynrG | Aprendiz1234: i.e. device comes before the command, not the other way around. man parted tells you this ... |
| 09:44.47 | Aprendiz1234 | SynrG: yes, I have read the incorrect blog. Thanks |
| 09:45.14 | SynrG | blog? if you're using blogs to learn about your system, i recommend man pages as your primary source of info |
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| 09:46.13 | OUTsider | SynrG: or as in my case, the package rules through sources.debian.net / bugs |
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| 09:47.01 | shay_shay | gonna use fish for a few weeks |
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| 09:47.31 | shay_shay | see if it's syntax doesn't drive me cray cray |
| 09:49.23 | borosky | jelly woudl you have any ideas? ive almost given up hope by now |
| 09:50.49 | k_sze | So jmcnaught told me that I would add to /etc/modules if I want a module to load at boot time. When and why would that not work? e.g. we added `ixgbe allow_unsupported_sfp=1,1` in /etc/modules and it doesn't seem to do a thing - our 10Gb ethernet card still doesn't work out of boot. |
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| 09:52.02 | OUTsider | k_sze: but it is recognized by the kernel on boot? |
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| 09:52.26 | k_sze | What do you mean by "recognized"? |
| 09:52.56 | OUTsider | k_sze: when you look at dmesg, is the driver itself being loaded, and does it see the card |
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| 09:53.32 | k_sze | OUTsider: not until we modprobe it manually. |
| 09:53.59 | OUTsider | so you don't have the ixgbe drivers present ? |
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| 09:54.30 | k_sze | We do have the ixgbe drivers. The card simply doesn't work until we modprobe it manually. |
| 09:54.40 | OUTsider | I do see an old thread on proxmox regarding your card/issue |
| 09:54.56 | k_sze | yes, I have found that, too. |
| 09:55.54 | k_sze | I could just add the option to a conf file under /etc/modprobe.d/, but I would also like to know *why* /etc/modules doesn't work here. |
| 09:56.06 | OUTsider | tried through /etc/modules.d ? |
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| 09:56.21 | OUTsider | and just create ixgbe.conf with the option in there ? |
| 09:57.07 | OUTsider | see post #7 on that page |
| 09:58.49 | OUTsider | or post #11, also looks promising |
| 09:58.59 | hypermist | how do i find my local ip |
| 09:59.10 | OUTsider | ifconfig |
| 09:59.16 | hypermist | ty |
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| 10:00.05 | OUTsider | k_sze: echo "options ixgbe allow_unsupported_sfp=1,1" > /etc/modprobe.d/ixgbe-options.conf; depmod -a; update-initramfs -u |
| 10:00.12 | k_sze | I saw that. |
| 10:00.25 | OUTsider | also not working ? |
| 10:01.16 | choice | When installing on an uefi system - do I have to add an "EFI boot partition"? |
| 10:01.26 | k_sze | Haven't tried yet because we are still using the server to crunch data just now. Can only try in two days or so. But meanwhile I would like to understand why /etc/modules doesn't work. |
| 10:02.00 | OUTsider | maybe something in /etc/modules.d overrides ? |
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| 10:02.13 | k_sze | We don't have a /etc/modules.d directory |
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| 10:04.34 | OUTsider | but you do have a /etc/modules-load.d folder with a modules.conf in there |
| 10:04.48 | k_sze | yes, which is just a symlink back to /etc/modules |
| 10:05.06 | OUTsider | ah, didn't check that, was quick looking trying to help |
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| 10:05.46 | choice | 3 hours into installing debian and yet to see it boot. feel between "thats how linus torvalds felt" and crying. |
| 10:05.53 | OUTsider | guess I'll better retreat in the shadow trying to solve my own issues p |
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| 10:07.30 | AScribe | I URGE EVERYONE TO BAN HOMOSEXUALS FROM FREENODE BASED CHATROOMS ON SITE |
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| 10:07.55 | TacoGS | yeah, highly unlikely |
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| 10:08.44 | spaceone | hm, why id there no libpam-dpg package in debain? (https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/pam) |
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| 10:15.36 | rgr | (and sid is experimental) |
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| 10:26.10 | thevishy | hello guys, I was wondering if thereare good task switchers out there |
| 10:26.41 | thevishy | using mouse is really slow sometimes, I use XFCE btw |
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| 10:27.21 | otyugh | thevishy: task switcher ? What do you mean ? |
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| 10:27.44 | thevishy | window switcher to be precise, I need to type and switch |
| 10:29.10 | otyugh | ho yeah |
| 10:29.24 | otyugh | just do the standard alt+tab |
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| 10:30.17 | otyugh | (if I understand good ><) |
| 10:30.58 | OUTsider | actually I think he is looking for a workspace switcher :P |
| 10:31.30 | rozie | thevishy: depends on your WM |
| 10:31.49 | otyugh | rozie: he said xfce, right? |
| 10:32.05 | rozie | in LXDE windows key + F1-F4 switches workspace |
| 10:32.33 | rozie | not sure if this is standard or just LXDE |
| 10:32.44 | otyugh | (but you need to have workspaces first) |
| 10:32.55 | OUTsider | thevishy, https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8130, and I guess post #2 |
| 10:32.58 | otyugh | you can also switch by scroling |
| 10:34.37 | OUTsider | or what rozie said |
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| 10:35.12 | OUTsider | coz if you read his question right, he complains about using mouse being slow, so vishy is looking for a workspace switcher |
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| 10:36.02 | thevishy | let me check the forum, I use XFCE .. in i3 I used to use rofi |
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| 10:37.16 | thevishy | if we had a filtering option in alt-tab then thats what I am talking about |
| 10:37.26 | thevishy | alt-tab is currently mouse driven entirely |
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| 10:38.49 | otyugh | han ? |
| 10:39.10 | otyugh | You just need alt-tab / alt-shift-tab to move into the windows selection |
| 10:39.22 | otyugh | no need to have a mouse |
| 10:39.41 | thevishy | no the thing is its O(n) complexity, need something that is O(1) |
| 10:40.10 | thevishy | depending on the windows it takes time to reach out to the specific window and I get finger pain |
| 10:40.19 | OUTsider | tried to look at the settings manager. keyboard tab ? |
| 10:40.48 | otyugh | (you write quite a bit to have finger pain, pardon my nastiness :O) |
| 10:41.20 | thevishy | in way I think thats true :) but then OK something like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 in weechat also is nice |
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| 10:41.45 | OUTsider | otyugh, he just wants shortcuts to be shorter, so he can type more :) |
| 10:41.49 | thevishy | OUTsider: that only opens new tasks right? Does it move to an existing task if it exists |
| 10:41.55 | otyugh | well there is a daemon to grab windows that works pretty like that, you'll need to adapt it |
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| 10:42.06 | otyugh | I just forgot his name x) |
| 10:42.09 | thevishy | right |
| 10:42.27 | thevishy | probably when I have time might try to right something :) |
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| 10:44.16 | OUTsider | thevishy: i don't see the entire list of possible shortcuts right now, but I do see something like 'Switch application' in that list |
| 10:44.28 | OUTsider | thevishy: so perhaps, your luck might lay there |
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| 10:45.40 | thevishy | okay I will explore those OUTsider |
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| 10:46.50 | OUTsider | but what you probably really want is a shortcut where you type for example the first letter(s) of the app, and it would switch to that as soon as the result is unique |
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| 10:51.07 | otyugh | Ho I'm looking for an alternative to liferea to read RSS feed |
| 10:51.32 | otyugh | I'm on a Raspberry-like device and I want to have something very light 'n all. So if you know one, I'm interested |
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| 10:53.52 | OUTsider | http://liten.in/ perhaps ? |
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| 10:55.28 | otyugh | gross, webservice :O |
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| 10:56.22 | OUTsider | you need to use the internet anyways to get the data of your wanted feeds :P |
| 10:56.54 | otyugh | but I don't need another computer guy to store my feeds |
| 10:57.00 | otyugh | :( |
| 10:57.53 | themill | Maybe you need to ask a more precise question then |
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| 10:58.59 | otyugh | well liferea is an app that is a local RSS client, I wish to have a similar thing but lighter, maybe with lesser design stuff |
| 10:59.11 | otyugh | I only know newsbeuter this way |
| 10:59.19 | otyugh | I guess there is more |
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| 11:06.23 | choice | Guys, I'm really stuck with my new XPS13 laptop. No matter what I do, i cannot boot Debian. What on earth could stop the machine from booting? It always tells me "selected boot device failed". |
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| 11:07.17 | thevishy | Yeah OUTsider I want something like that - fuzzy stuff |
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| 11:19.16 | dfh | Hey all. Has anybody here created their own xkb layout? Where do I put it? How do I best load it? |
| 11:19.38 | valentt | anybody using nullmailer as mta? |
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| 11:20.33 | valentt | I can't figure out what I messed up in config, system emails instead going to local root account nullmailer tries to send via outside smtp server, and obviously fails. Any ideas? |
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| 11:22.35 | choice | I have this machine, that just wont boot. It tells me "selected boot device failed". what could that mean? no mbr? how could i creat one? |
| 11:22.40 | nkuttler | valentt: i thought that's the entire point of nullmailer? |
| 11:22.55 | madmattco | boot from a grub rescue cd |
| 11:22.58 | boodie | Hi: in order to secure my linux box (stable), is there any benefit in setting 'snort' ?.. I installed it, but on boot I receive the message that it's not configured. I tried to read some documentation online, but it's very complex. |
| 11:23.00 | madmattco | and install grub |
| 11:23.18 | choice | madmattco: with "grub-install /dev/sda"? |
| 11:23.26 | madmattco | yes |
| 11:23.32 | nkuttler | boodie: start with /usr/share/doc/snort, the README.Debian if there is one |
| 11:23.34 | madmattco | they even make one with a gui |
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| 11:23.51 | choice | madmattco: that gives me "failed to get canonical path of /cow" |
| 11:23.52 | madmattco | but |
| 11:24.22 | madmattco | you need to be aware if you are using uefi to boot and if ni was installed with uefi enabled |
| 11:24.28 | madmattco | if it was, use grub2 |
| 11:24.32 | madmattco | or just use it period |
| 11:24.37 | choice | madmattco: im using legacy boot, so no uefi |
| 11:24.41 | madmattco | ok |
| 11:24.47 | madmattco | sec lemme get you a link |
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| 11:25.20 | madmattco | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ try that. worked well for me in the past |
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| 11:26.16 | choice | madmattco: untrusted third party sortware from teh internetz? |
| 11:26.31 | madmattco | wat? |
| 11:26.49 | choice | madmattco: i dont think its a good idea to download and run stuff from some website. |
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| 11:27.14 | madmattco | then how did you install linux |
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| 11:27.43 | choice | madmattco: well, thats debian. i have some trust in debian. but this is the first time i heard about supergrubdisk |
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| 11:28.43 | bazhang | its very well known and used choice |
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| 11:29.03 | bazhang | try #grub if you dont have any trust at all choice |
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| 11:33.21 | Aprendiz1234 | how can I do in order that user and group owner always will be root? |
| 11:34.14 | Brigo | choice, who says "select boot device failed"? |
| 11:35.06 | otyugh | Aprendiz1234: why not just use sudo ? |
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| 11:35.37 | choice | Brigo: the computer :) right after i try to boot. |
| 11:35.58 | Aprendiz1234 | otyugh: Sorry I omit that I mean through samba server |
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| 11:36.22 | Brigo | choice, if not grub, should be the bios which is telling the selected disk cannot boot |
| 11:36.23 | Aprendiz1234 | otyugh: I want that when user write files always have root:root |
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| 11:36.53 | choice | Brigo: yes, i think so |
| 11:36.59 | choice | Brigo: does that mean the mbr is missing? |
| 11:37.07 | Brigo | choice, are you sure are you booting from the correct drive? |
| 11:37.11 | choice | Brigo: yes |
| 11:37.22 | otyugh | Aprendiz1234: I may be uncorrect but |
| 11:37.36 | otyugh | I think you only have to specify guid/uid in fstab |
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| 11:37.42 | Brigo | choice, then, yes. If you have the install disk/usb use it in advanced mode to chroot to your root partition and reisntall grub |
| 11:38.16 | Aprendiz1234 | ezra-s: I put root:root for my problem with samba and ACLs but user and group through Samba is set to user and group domain |
| 11:38.20 | otyugh | (what id is your root ? Depends on the system I guess) |
| 11:38.36 | choice | Brigo: i try that. grub-install then tells me "this gpt partition label contains no bios boot partition" and ceases operations. |
| 11:38.49 | Aprendiz1234 | otyugh: I think is something in smb.conf configuration |
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| 11:39.24 | Brigo | choice, you are trying to boog using bios (not uefi) with a gpt partition, that is unsuitable |
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| 11:40.01 | otyugh | Aprendiz1234: I don't know much about samba, while I did what you say on NFS share, which is much easier, althought only secure on a local network |
| 11:40.02 | Brigo | to use a disk partitioning with gpt partitions you need to boot in uefi mode. Bios mode don't know gpt. |
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| 11:40.33 | Brigo | s/partitioning/partitioned |
| 11:40.38 | choice | Brigo: hmmm.. interesting. guess i will have to repair the whole uefi thing first then. |
| 11:40.56 | choice | Brigo: the laptop came with a working ubuntu, but even that does not boot anymore. |
| 11:41.02 | Brigo | choice, yes, or formal the whole disk :) |
| 11:41.09 | Brigo | format* |
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| 11:41.21 | choice | Brigo: probably because i mingled with sda1 which might have been something related to uefi. |
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| 11:41.35 | Brigo | if /boot is there, yes. |
| 11:41.36 | choice | Brigo: what does a hd need to boot via uefi? i could try to fix it. |
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| 11:42.17 | choice | Brigo: i think /boot for the ubuntu that the machine came with is in /dev/sda4 |
| 11:43.00 | choice | Brigo: at least there is an ubuntu in /sda4 and that initially worked. |
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| 11:43.05 | Brigo | choice, try https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 11:43.57 | choice | Brigo: hmm.. that tells me to download stuff from rodsbooks.com |
| 11:44.10 | choice | Brigo: is it not possible to set up an uefi system with just debian at hand? |
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| 11:44.59 | Brigo | choice, yes, use debian install disks as rescue disk, look into advanced mode and get chroot into your thisk, thenl follow the instructions from there. |
| 11:45.19 | choice | Brigo: thisk? |
| 11:45.30 | Brigo | disk* :) |
| 11:45.49 | choice | ok, let me try... |
| 11:45.53 | boodie | Is there a specific debian-security chat, or is this the right place to ask security questions? |
| 11:46.41 | break3r | just ask |
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| 11:47.25 | Kurvivor | i am trying to install minicom with apt-get. however, when it gets to configuration step, my command input is not accepted, and i cannot enable or disable usage of terminal |
| 11:47.39 | Kurvivor | *usage of Meta as command key |
| 11:47.42 | Brigo | boodie, you can just ask here, but there is a debian-security channel in oftc network |
| 11:47.53 | Kurvivor | what can i do to finish the installation| |
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| 11:49.45 | Brigo | choice, i have to go. |
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| 11:51.57 | zafu | hi, has something changed in vim's config? my custom highlightings are no longer in effect |
| 11:52.18 | choice | Brigo: ok, thank you! |
| 11:52.20 | boodie | Ok, I have a debian box (jessie) connected to a BT router. I connect to the same router with windows 7 + my doughters & wife connect with windows 7, 8, a Android tablet and 3 smartphones. I also have a roku box. I realized that there are a lot of devices connected and I am worried. I think I should improve the security of the network and I was hoping that I could do something with tools provided by debian (i.e. snort, iptab |
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| 11:53.55 | break3r | i don't get the question |
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| 11:55.15 | boodie | In other words, where should I start from, in order to harden my home network? |
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| 11:55.46 | otyugh | boodie: to harden the network, you must not use nor smartphones nor windows first |
| 11:55.58 | boodie | I understand that SNORT is a packet analyzer and logger. It will detect an intrusion attempt (according to a set of 'rules'), but it doesn't protect the system. In order to fortify the system, I should use something like iptables, correct? |
| 11:56.03 | RILAPWN | @boodie; VLANS, Port security, MAC filtering, Hide BSSID, Firewall, IPS/IDS, WPA2 security |
| 11:56.27 | RILAPWN | @boodie: and don't forget auth logging. |
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| 11:57.41 | RILAPWN | @boodie: also disabling protocols you don't use if usefull on routers |
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| 11:58.01 | RILAPWN | @boodie: or enabling authentication for protocols, or encrypt all your traffic with IPsec |
| 11:58.05 | otyugh | and wifi if you don't use it |
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| 11:58.46 | jelly | valentt: nullmailer does not have local delivery at all, as far as I know |
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| 12:00.16 | xennex81 | Is there any great risk in upgrading a normal Debian 7 computer (but headless) to Debian 8 if I have no means to physically access the computer?. |
| 12:00.22 | otyugh | (althought I really think this is useless : if you are going to use windows and android, you'd better just consider theses devices insecure (and thats fine I guess, most people live with it) ; just don't give any easy acces to theses devices to your GNU/linux stations. |
| 12:00.27 | jelly | valentt: dma is the lightest MTA replacement that still has local delivery of some sort (that I can think of) |
| 12:00.43 | inch | Is there a debian package / script / whatever to: 1) Take backups of a partition to another partition and 2) Restore the backup at boot if fsck fails? |
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| 12:01.16 | valentt | jelly, I now read manpages and my understanding is that nullmailer will also forward emails that are sent to root or localhost IF email is provided via /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr |
| 12:01.22 | petn-randall | xennex81: If it doesn't boot, you'll have to find a way to physically access it. |
| 12:01.23 | boodie | The only access they are given is to a CUPS printer, connected to jessie |
| 12:01.39 | xennex81 | petn-randall: well that's why I haven done it yet :p. |
| 12:01.41 | jelly | valentt: yes. Forward, not deliver locally. |
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| 12:02.13 | xennex81 | maybe the chance of failure is low, but the cost of failure is high |
| 12:02.18 | valentt | jelly, I had empty adminaddr file I see quite a few files in nullmailer queue that are system emails and they are trying to be send out. Any ideas how to stop that? |
| 12:02.24 | boodie | In the past there was a package called "bastille", but I can't find it anymore |
| 12:02.25 | xennex81 | in risk calculation they multiply those factors. |
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| 12:03.43 | Brigo | boodie, those thing are for hardener your network if the router of your network is your own computer. You can do much from your debian machine if not. |
| 12:03.46 | jelly | valentt: wipe them from the queue |
| 12:04.03 | x00nox | How can I get more information about a service which are not running if I startup my system? Is there an init.d logfile? |
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| 12:04.21 | valentt | jelly, any other way to make all new system emails just go to /dev/null ? |
| 12:04.26 | Brigo | x00nox, systemctl status <service> is a good start. |
| 12:04.54 | xennex81 | haha, i just read an email that says "...that the possibility of making an error should never, |
| 12:04.55 | xennex81 | ever stop you from doing anything." |
| 12:04.56 | Brigo | x00nox, then, journalctl -b will show you all logs from last boot. |
| 12:05.30 | jelly | valentt: heh, not that I know of |
| 12:05.46 | valentt | jelly, thanks |
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| 12:06.38 | Brigo | boodie, one thing you can do is manage your router, try to hardener it, if possible. |
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| 12:06.41 | maziar | when i want to reset password and i append init=/bin/bash , my keyboard does not work and this is error http://uupload.ir/files/fag_a.jpg |
| 12:06.41 | boodie | In other words, if all devices (including jessie) access the router, I can't really do moch to secure the network, unless I tweaked the router itself - some provide a firewall capability ... |
| 12:06.58 | Brigo | boodie, that is :) |
| 12:07.16 | maziar | any idea ? |
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| 12:08.47 | choice | What does it mean when i try to apt-get install something and that fails due toe unmet dependencies? why are the dependencies not installed as well? |
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| 12:10.02 | x00nox | Brigo: Is there an similar programm for SysV? |
| 12:10.21 | Brigo | x00nox, no, you can check /var/log/syslog |
| 12:10.32 | Brigo | maziar, an usb keyboard? |
| 12:10.51 | Brigo | choice, did you run apt-get update first? |
| 12:11.05 | choice | Brigo: nope, let me try that... |
| 12:11.24 | Brigo | choice, unment dependencies means the packages need other packages which are not available |
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| 12:12.17 | choice | im 5 hours into setting up debian and yet not at the boot stage... |
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| 12:12.40 | centrx | What are you doing? |
| 12:13.04 | choice | centrx: replace the ubuntu that came with my new xps13 with debian. |
| 12:13.20 | centrx | but what is taking so long? |
| 12:14.04 | choice | centrx: not sure. i tried to do an uefi install. it did not show up in the boot menu. then tried a legacy install, that bricked the whole machine. |
| 12:14.36 | choice | maybe because running gparted in legacy mode on a GPT disk kind of messes things up. |
| 12:14.53 | Brigo | choice, i don't think so. |
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| 12:15.51 | choice | at the moment i am following these steps: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
| 12:16.04 | choice | and i hang at: "file /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi" |
| 12:16.17 | choice | that tells me grubx64.efi does not exist. |
| 12:16.32 | choice | the page has no info on that though. it just says "make sure it exists" |
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| 12:16.53 | choice | not sure what do now. |
| 12:17.15 | Brigo | choice, grub-install should put that file there. |
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| 12:17.26 | choice | i did run grub-install |
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| 12:18.24 | choice | it created this: /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi |
| 12:18.37 | choice | looks like it only recognized the ubuntu that the machine was initially shipped with |
| 12:18.46 | choice | or it did nothing at all and that file already was there. |
| 12:18.48 | choice | i dont know. |
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| 12:19.24 | choice | ah no, i created the efi boot partition from scratch. so this file must be new. |
| 12:20.08 | choice | strange that grub-install only sees the ubuntu thing. because im chrooted into the debian partition. |
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| 12:20.48 | maziar | Brigo, yes, its USB |
| 12:21.21 | Brigo | maziar, do you have another keyboard to try, a ps/2 maybe? |
| 12:21.40 | choice | also efibootmgr --verbose only brings up ubuntu. maybe i should do another debian install via uefi. |
| 12:21.44 | Brigo | choice, yes, it is. |
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| 12:21.52 | choice | Brigo: what is? |
| 12:22.21 | Brigo | choice, a weird thing, the debian .efi file not installed |
| 12:22.21 | choice | i wonder if the machine can boot now. |
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| 12:22.32 | Brigo | choice, any errors on logs? |
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| 12:22.51 | boodie | Is this correct to say that SNORT is an IDS, whereas IPTABLES is an IPS? |
| 12:22.54 | choice | Brigo: maybe i was in legacy mode when installing debian? would that still be a problem now? |
| 12:22.59 | choice | Brigo: which logs? |
| 12:23.20 | RILAPWN | @boodie: Snort is indeed IDS. And iptables is a Firewall. |
| 12:23.29 | Brigo | choice, sorry, i have to go again :( |
| 12:23.36 | choice | Brigo: ok, thanks again. |
| 12:24.24 | boodie | What is an IPS, then? |
| 12:24.38 | RILAPWN | @boodie: Difference is that that a IPS will check the payload of a packet, a Firewall will mostly only check the headers. |
| 12:25.09 | RILAPWN | @boodie: as payload you could see the data, and as header for example ports and IPs. But all this info could be found on Google for example. |
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| 12:25.40 | choice | still does not boot. guess i will have to wipe the whole disk and start over. |
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| 12:29.08 | choice | guess uefi is not ready for prime time |
| 12:29.13 | boodie | RILAPWN: SNORT is an IDS. IPTABLES is a firewall. Is there an IPS on Linux (jessie in particular)? |
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| 12:30.25 | jelly | boodie: that works and is also free and is also open source? |
| 12:30.46 | jelly | and has rule updates for free? |
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| 12:31.22 | RILAPWN | @boodie: I am sure there is one for Linux, keep in mind that the system will also need to route the traffic back, easiest is to set it up as a gateway. |
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| 12:35.05 | zhxk | hello, how to install unixbench? |
| 12:35.23 | boodie | I found that SNORT can feed rules into IPTABLES. Does the combination of the two make it an IPS? |
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| 12:35.38 | boodie | I'm just being curious |
| 12:36.17 | jelly | zhxk: what's unixbench? |
| 12:36.25 | markybob | zhxk, this should do it https://dpaste.de/d7WB |
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| 12:37.23 | RILAPWN | @boodie: If that would be possible, it indeed could be an IPS. |
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| 12:40.05 | boodie | there is a package 'fwsnort' ... |
| 12:40.57 | boodie | it says it generates a script to update the iptables rules ... |
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| 12:41.44 | zhxk | 1 x Dhrystone 2 using register variables 1 |
| 12:41.58 | zhxk | markybob, whats next? |
| 12:42.12 | zhxk | 1 x Dhrystone 2 using register variables 1 2 3 |
| 12:42.13 | jelly | zhxk: did it work? |
| 12:42.20 | markybob | zhxk, you google |
| 12:42.29 | jelly | zhxk: stop pasting the output in here manually. |
| 12:42.43 | zhxk | 1 x Dhrystone 2 using register variables 1 2 3 4 5 |
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| 12:42.48 | mistawright | hey guys i have debian on my beagle bone black and the network makes the boot take forever. well this beagle bone black is powering a quadcopter so it needs to be quicker on boot |
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| 12:43.13 | OUTsider | zhxk: use the force of pastebin or whatever :) |
| 12:43.26 | jelly | zhxk: I'll unmute you in 10 minutes, by then hopefully your pasting will stop |
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| 12:43.46 | boodie | is there nessus on jessie? I can't find it |
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| 12:43.55 | Pwkay | im again |
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| 12:44.14 | RILAPWN | @boodie: nessus is a vulnerability scanner, it is nto in the repository as it is not free.. |
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| 12:44.22 | Pwkay | someone know, how to fix bug with wifi disconnect after 2 mins of work? |
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| 12:45.05 | RILAPWN | @boodie: I suggest you use a search engine first before asking here.. |
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| 12:45.59 | OUTsider | Pwkay: rtl8192c chipset ? |
| 12:46.10 | boodie | http://www.tenable.com/products/nessus/select-your-operating-system ... not available on Linux 8 |
| 12:46.47 | RILAPWN | @Boodie: IT hasLinux versions for Debian and Redhat.. |
| 12:46.55 | Pwkay | emmh... idk oO realtek wifi |
| 12:46.59 | RILAPWN | @Boodie: even suse and ubuntu |
| 12:47.06 | OUTsider | Pwkay, https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes |
| 12:47.26 | RILAPWN | @Boodie: But if you mean with 8 Jessie, just try the Debian 7 and give it a go.. |
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| 12:48.22 | Pwkay | its for laptop or for router? |
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| 12:48.35 | OUTsider | lap |
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| 12:48.43 | Pwkay | and whats, if its not for my device? |
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| 12:49.06 | RILAPWN | @Pwkay, how can someone help you when you don't provide enough information |
| 12:49.07 | OUTsider | Pwkay: you can verify the chipset through lsusb |
| 12:49.29 | OUTsider | Pwkay, otherwise, dmesg is your friend |
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| 12:49.42 | OUTsider | Pwkay, should tell you exactly the chipset etc |
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| 12:49.47 | Pwkay | sudo lsusb? |
| 12:49.55 | OUTsider | especially since the device is recognized |
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| 12:50.31 | OUTsider | not sure if that requires root, but shouldn't harm :) |
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| 12:51.06 | OUTsider | RILAPWN, I got my methods pulling info out of someones brain :P |
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| 12:51.46 | OUTsider | and the info he describes, surely looks like the symptoms that specific chipset has |
| 12:51.57 | Pwkay | lsusb shows only usb hubs, an unnamed device, smthing by intel and my gamepad |
| 12:52.07 | choice | Still trying to figure out this uefi thing. How many partitions are involved in making an uefi disk bootable? |
| 12:52.15 | OUTsider | ok, so it's on the mainboard itself |
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| 12:52.29 | Pwkay | whhat should i do? |
| 12:52.30 | OUTsider | does lspci show you the device ? |
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| 12:53.01 | Pwkay | rtl8723BE |
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| 12:54.29 | OUTsider | same kind of issue |
| 12:54.40 | OUTsider | try http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04 |
| 12:54.43 | RILAPWN | @choice: GTP partition table, ESP system partition, and the partition for the OS/boot media. |
| 12:54.53 | RILAPWN | @choice: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/353683/uefi-partitioning-for-dummies |
| 12:55.12 | OUTsider | gotta go, bbl, enjoy, good luck, ttyl |
| 12:55.25 | Pwkay | gl |
| 13:00.05 | choice | If I killed the efi boot partition on my machine, will I ever be able to boot via uefi anymore? |
| 13:00.43 | jelly | choice: probably not, it's called that way for a reason? |
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| 13:01.29 | choice | jelly: so i have to wipe the disk, make a normal install and use legacy mode from now on? |
| 13:01.45 | RILAPWN | @choice: no you can just create a new EFI partition. |
| 13:01.56 | choice | RILAPWN: how? |
| 13:02.22 | choice | i tried to reinstall debian and have sda1 as efi-boot-partition in the installer. the machine still does not boot. |
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| 13:02.35 | RILAPWN | @choice: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI |
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| 13:09.11 | Pwkay | guys, when im tries to make, im got /lib/modules/3.16.04-amd64/build: no such file or partition error |
| 13:09.14 | Pwkay | any ideas? |
| 13:09.23 | Pwkay | git close made without errors |
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| 13:09.57 | markybob | Pwkay, install your kernel's headers |
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| 13:10.41 | Pwkay | i cant - tryed sudo apt-get install kernel-headers build-essential git, but it says, there are no file in repository |
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| 13:11.06 | markybob | Pwkay, no. try this. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:11.15 | choice | RILAPWN: that page suggests adding strang ubuntu repositories. is that really a good idea? |
| 13:11.24 | Pwkay | ok |
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| 13:12.22 | MidnightDevil | hi, i tried to install debian through netinst iso (usb boot), but i get a prompt to load wlan drivers that doesn't seem to find in the pen, i installed the minimal system and dropped at the prompt with no network and not knowing how to get the drivers and load them and config the wifi through the terminal, any help? |
| 13:12.30 | choice | omg the boot-repair tool linked from that page is from sourceforge... |
| 13:12.41 | choice | is it really safe to install that? |
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| 13:12.47 | thealchemist | MidnightDevil, you need to install the wifi drivers |
| 13:12.56 | MidnightDevil | thealchemist can you guide me through it? :) |
| 13:13.14 | jelly | MidnightDevil: can you use wired ethernet during installation instead of wifi? |
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| 13:13.18 | Pwkay | thanks, its downloads right now |
| 13:13.27 | markybob | Pwkay, cool. np |
| 13:13.49 | MidnightDevil | nop :| otherwise i'd do it |
| 13:14.02 | thealchemist | MidnightDevil, here is a gist https://bpaste.net/show/e4bbb80e6e65 |
| 13:14.26 | thealchemist | but make sure you have the right repositories - that is for jessie |
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| 13:14.58 | zhxk | markybob, https://dpaste.de/AdCh |
| 13:15.14 | thealchemist | Since your installer had a problem finding net (most likely) you will need to setup the repositories |
| 13:15.18 | Pwkay | gcc not found lol |
| 13:15.21 | markybob | zhxk, so it worked. that's what you wanted |
| 13:15.33 | MidnightDevil | i'd need to have internet at all to do that thealchemist |
| 13:15.34 | zhxk | thank you |
| 13:15.39 | markybob | zhxk, you're welcome |
| 13:15.47 | thealchemist | Oh you don't have a Ethernet :) |
| 13:15.49 | MidnightDevil | i'm not even wired |
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| 13:15.54 | thealchemist | Right |
| 13:15.59 | MidnightDevil | :| hence my issue lol |
| 13:16.15 | thealchemist | The key would be to get firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:16.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell MidnightDevil about firmware images |
| 13:16.18 | MidnightDevil | im dual booting and i can put files in the pen and load it "somehow" once i boot into it again |
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| 13:16.34 | MidnightDevil | cheers :) |
| 13:16.39 | jelly | MidnightDevil: meh, just use the installer images w/ firmware |
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| 13:17.01 | thealchemist | Ah ^ heh :), never knew there are images with firmware! |
| 13:17.05 | MidnightDevil | i used the standard netinst, been looking for a full dvd or cd but seems i need to download the whole set if i go that path |
| 13:17.05 | jelly | they're not DFSG-kosher and not official, but they are the simplest thing to use |
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| 13:18.30 | MidnightDevil | okay so same process but with firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso instead, right ? |
| 13:18.35 | jelly | right |
| 13:18.53 | MidnightDevil | and that would take care of the drivers during the setup and allow the rest of the netinstall, |
| 13:19.00 | MidnightDevil | okay, thank you so much jelly and thealchemist :) |
| 13:19.06 | MidnightDevil | pets dpkg |
| 13:19.13 | jelly | !botsnack |
| 13:19.13 | dpkg | jelly: aw, gee |
| 13:19.22 | thealchemist | np MidnightDevil |
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| 13:19.56 | thealchemist | I think its really not a good idea to mix terminal apps with XFCE - like urxvt,zathura,mpv etc - anyone has experience |
| 13:20.01 | RILAPWN | @choice: wouldnt install another repo if I were you, all tools are already in debian to install it. |
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| 13:20.41 | thealchemist | there are issue like desktop icons etc for most of these packages! |
| 13:21.10 | thealchemist | ofc there are workarounds but I think its best to stick to GUI apps when on XFCE |
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| 13:22.24 | jelly | thealchemist: there's notthing wrong using urxvt and mpv with xfce |
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| 13:22.57 | jelly | did that for years. Well. mplayer and mplayer2 before mpv existed |
| 13:23.14 | berenger | hi everyone, i need an information about rsnapshot if someone here us |
| 13:23.18 | thealchemist | the thing is they don't seem to blend well with the gui scheme of things :) |
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| 13:24.03 | thealchemist | I mean no big issues but broken icons, copy paste issues (which can be fixed)et |
| 13:24.19 | jelly | thealchemist: that may be, but both work a lot better than xfce4-terminal or some gtk/gstreamer player |
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| 13:24.56 | thealchemist | ok I will check that - if I have performance issues, I will switch to them as default |
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| 13:33.54 | MidnightDevil | hi again |
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| 13:34.54 | MidnightDevil | so I tried the same thing with the iso firmware-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso, but it still asks for wifi files |
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| 13:36.25 | MidnightDevil | "some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate", iwiwifi-5000-2.ucode, iwifi5000-1.ucode and stuff like these |
| 13:36.35 | boodie | Hi , I ran 'debsecan' and I found several issues "remotely exploitable, high urgency" does it mean that these are vulnerabilities that I should somehow fix? |
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| 13:40.40 | babilen | MidnightDevil: Just continue, the installer shouldn't ask, but you would have them |
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| 13:41.58 | MidnightDevil | i'm still reading, gonna try to unpack the tarball into firmware directory |
| 13:42.21 | MidnightDevil | also, what gnome version does 8.1.0 brings? classic gnome or unity/gnome shell ? |
| 13:42.24 | doebi | is there a known bug for not being able to type on lock screen after wakup from sleep? |
| 13:43.05 | babilen | MidnightDevil: I think this is just a bug in the installer. It really shouldn't ask you for that firmware, but still does. Just continue the installation and pretend that it didn't ask you. |
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| 13:43.13 | babilen | (no need to unpack files or anything) |
| 13:43.34 | MidnightDevil | okay |
| 13:43.37 | MidnightDevil | gonna try again, thanks |
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| 14:00.28 | x543-v1 | Hi all! |
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| 14:01.00 | mernilio | There you go! :-) |
| 14:01.27 | mernilio | How is it hanging? |
| 14:01.44 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 14:01.44 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 14:02.33 | mernilio | Im a premian debian user" |
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| 14:02.43 | choice | got debian running finally! |
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| 14:02.51 | petn-randall | mernilio: What is a premian debian user? |
| 14:02.56 | petn-randall | premium? |
| 14:03.10 | choice | First problem: right click acts as left click. Any ideas how to debug this? |
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| 14:03.34 | FourFire | How long before debian stable gets kernel 4.3 ? |
| 14:03.38 | mernilio | A scandinavian guy who worrked with linux :-) |
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| 14:03.53 | abrotman | FourFire: it owuld be via jessie-backports, and it's not even in unstable yet |
| 14:04.07 | mernilio | you dont want to mess with me dude! ;-) |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 14:04.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-rc8-686-pae (4.2~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
| 14:04.15 | abrotman | mernilio: do you need help with Debian? |
| 14:04.20 | petn-randall | choice: You can switch the buttons in the system settings, depending on the desktop environment you're using. |
| 14:04.29 | choice | petn-randall: gnome. |
| 14:04.49 | choice | petn-randall: they are not switched. both act like left-click. |
| 14:04.50 | mernilio | Abrotman .. no im just here for support! :-) |
| 14:05.03 | abrotman | ... |
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| 14:05.17 | petn-randall | choice: Is it a trackpad or something like that, or do you have two physical buttons? |
| 14:05.32 | choice | petn-randall: track pad which makes "click" when you press on it. |
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| 14:05.52 | petn-randall | mernilio: If you have a support question, ask it, otherwise there are more suitable channels for chat elsewhere. |
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| 14:06.23 | petn-randall | choice: If you press the bottom right corner, does it right-click? |
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| 14:06.34 | choice | petn-randall: no, it left-clicks. |
| 14:06.50 | jelly | petn-randall: I may have a low tolerance for crap today. |
| 14:07.00 | petn-randall | jelly: Fine by me, no objections. |
| 14:07.13 | choice | petn-randall: in ubuntu the right click works. this latptop came with ubuntu preinstalled, so that is probably finetuned already. but i dont like ubuntu. |
| 14:07.39 | FourFire | abrotman, what's your best estimate ? |
| 14:07.41 | FourFire | for a date |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | FourFire: 2020 |
| 14:07.50 | choice | petn-randall: oh, when i click left AND right, it right-clicks. |
| 14:08.06 | petn-randall | choice: In that case I'd web search for the laptop model + "debian", and check if someone already installed Debian on it and how they solved that problem. |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | FourFire: I oculdn't possibly guess. It was just released, and it's not anywhere in Debina yet |
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| 14:09.37 | petn-randall | FourFire: Maybe it helps if you tell us what your problem is you're trying to solve, so we can tell you how to fix it. |
| 14:09.55 | choice | petn-randall: i think i remember some nice "gnome touch input tweak tool" but i dont remember the exat name. |
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| 14:11.24 | choice | googling brought up an arch guy who solved it by installing xf86-input-synapitcs. |
| 14:11.33 | choice | not sure if i should blindly try that. |
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| 14:17.58 | fred1807 | how can I remove /etc/init.d/networking from boot sequence, and make it start at rc.local ? |
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| 14:19.43 | jelly | fred1807: not easily, what issue do you think that would solve? |
| 14:19.58 | jelly | !goal |
| 14:19.58 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 14:21.45 | fred1807 | my goal is to have the dhcpdiscover starting on backround, after login screen is avaliable. |
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| 14:22.17 | jelly | fred1807: what happens if it starts early? |
| 14:22.32 | johnkeates | fred1807: make the login screen a dependency? reorder it's startup? |
| 14:22.56 | choice | my goal is to earn a ton of money, travel the world and hang out with cool people. |
| 14:23.34 | jelly | gives choice two thumbs up |
| 14:23.34 | johnkeates | choice: that's your choice |
| 14:24.24 | fred1807 | most of the time I start my raspberry without ethernet cable inserted, and it takes a very long time trying to get a dhcp lease, and this is a raspberry made for art presentation, I cannot disable it because sometimes I just need to plug ethernet cable and use the internet. |
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| 14:26.19 | fred1807 | I can comment this line on interfaces : auto eth0 , but how do I start this auto dhcp discovery after I login ? |
| 14:26.32 | jelly | fred1807: just run "ifup eth0" as root |
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| 14:27.16 | jelly | alternatively, use NetworkManager and make everything infitely more complex? |
| 14:27.18 | fred1807 | can I run "ifup eth0", without a cable inserted, and will it auto dhcp anytime cable is insert in the future? |
| 14:27.49 | RILAPWN | @fred: jep |
| 14:27.59 | RILAPWN | @fred: a dhcp daemon is running in background |
| 14:27.59 | jelly | fred1807: frankly I'm not sure. That isn't much different from running it with "auto eth0" anyway |
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| 14:28.17 | fred1807 | ok |
| 14:28.19 | fred1807 | thx |
| 14:28.20 | jelly | I don't know whether dhclient reacts to link up |
| 14:28.25 | RoyK | erm |
| 14:28.26 | RILAPWN | it does |
| 14:28.27 | RoyK | auto eth0 |
| 14:28.29 | RoyK | inet dhcp |
| 14:28.39 | RoyK | without the latter, it won't use dhcp |
| 14:28.59 | jelly | RoyK: "iface eth0 inet dhcp", I assumed that was in place. |
| 14:29.04 | fred1807 | i have this: auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:29.17 | RoyK | ok |
| 14:29.22 | RoyK | seems right |
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| 14:29.51 | jelly | fred1807: are you really running debian on your pi, or still using raspbian? |
| 14:29.56 | fred1807 | I will comment auto eth0, and I will add "ifup eth0" cmd after login... I hope I can then connect ethernet cable anytime and get the same behavior, but now, without all the dhcpdiscover retries on boot sequence |
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| 14:30.16 | fred1807 | :) |
| 14:30.37 | SynrG | auto influences behaviour at boot. i think you want allow-hotplug instead |
| 14:30.47 | fred1807 | ok |
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| 14:31.02 | SynrG | i also think this is the default, as configured by netcfg upon install |
| 14:31.06 | SynrG | could be wrong, there |
| 14:31.20 | SynrG | depends on how / which release you installed |
| 14:31.22 | jelly | that's probably the one legit scenario for allow-hotplug |
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| 14:39.20 | chainsaw10 | So...How insane would it be to attempt to use Ubuntu drivers on Debian? I have the Dell XPS 13 9343 (2015), which has a BCM4352 wifi card. It's annoying as anything, but Dell/Canonical have released a patched version of the Broadcom proprietary driver for Ubuntu. |
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| 14:40.56 | babilen | That's ridiculous |
| 14:42.11 | chainsaw10 | Roughly what I figured :) Any way I can rebuild the package to work on Debian? Both are presumably based on the same Broadcom proprietary driver anyway. |
| 14:42.39 | jelly | chainsaw10: if you choose to do it, just grab their kernel and kernel headers packages as well |
| 14:42.40 | teclo- | using proprietary Ubuntu drivers on Debian... that's indeed insane |
| 14:42.47 | babilen | Which package is that? |
| 14:43.07 | wyvie | anybody has issues with nvidia 860M on optimus laptops with bumblebee? my nvidia chip gets 33mghz graphics clock limit, being stuck on performance level 0. tried with 340.65, 340.76 and even 352.30 (taken from experimental repo) drivers, issue doesn't go away. debian sid (same on jessie) |
| 14:43.12 | chainsaw10 | babilen: on Debian it's broadcom-sta-dkms. On Ubuntu it's bcmwl-kernel-source |
| 14:43.19 | jelly | teclo-: it's not insane if you spin it as "I'll do anything just to make Debian userspace work" |
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| 14:44.34 | chainsaw10 | jelly: I take it Ubuntu's kernel config is much different than Debian's? I'm (probably stupidly, lol) running testing if it matters. |
| 14:45.07 | jelly | chainsaw10: it's different enough |
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| 14:45.58 | wyvie | forgot to add, it happens on sleep/wake of the laptop. when i reboot, everything works fine until the next sleep/wake |
| 14:46.16 | chainsaw10 | I'm figuring there must be some way to make it work, because both Ubuntu and Debian both base their packages on Broadcom's release. Any idea how I could rebuild the package? Or is it really that impossible? |
| 14:46.25 | jelly | !TIAS |
| 14:46.26 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 14:47.16 | chainsaw10 | jelly: babilen: thanks, I probably will try it, and it will probably blow up in my face. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 15:01.57 | FourFire | petn-randall, no problem, just wondering whether I'll ever use debian |
| 15:02.18 | FourFire | if it's unstable I might as well use a -buntu variant or derivative |
| 15:02.44 | FourFire | and I don't feel like messing around with Arch or other, more obscure distros |
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| 15:13.11 | choice | Hello! Debian is eating up my laptop battery with great appetite: 6w when idle. Ubuntu uses less then 4. Whats the first line of defense against this? |
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| 15:18.19 | centrx | choice, cpufrequtils ? |
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| 15:18.47 | choice | centrx: whats that? |
| 15:19.14 | centrx | choice, It is a tool to change the power-saving rules that are in use for your CPU |
| 15:19.23 | choice | in powertop, changing all tunables from "bad" to "good" brought down the usage to about 5w. |
| 15:19.33 | choice | i wonder how to make those changes permanent |
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| 15:20.34 | choice | centrx: i often hear about "tlp" which might have a similar purpose |
| 15:21.42 | choice | do you guys know how to install tlp? |
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| 15:23.37 | centrx | choice, looks like it's only in testing/unstable |
| 15:23.39 | centrx | !ssb |
| 15:23.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:24.10 | choice | maybe there is some other way. |
| 15:24.33 | choice | maybe i can make the powertop settings permanent and thats good enough. |
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| 15:35.14 | er4z0r | is there a way to query dpkg to find all compilers installed on a system? |
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| 15:36.52 | er4z0r | I want to restrict the usage of compilers to a dedicated group of users |
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| 15:41.36 | aruna | er4z0r: dpkg --list | grep compiler |
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| 15:43.21 | er4z0r | aruna: yeah that does the trick. thx |
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| 15:44.35 | er4z0r | my chgrp won't survive updates however, right? |
| 15:44.38 | aruna | er4z0r: you can try replacing the *compiler* with browser and say editor... you get the idea |
| 15:45.02 | xreal | What has happened? I have to travel 4 hours tomorrow to fix this bug. Is the SATA-controller damaged? It's a RAID-5 with 3 HDDs, it's unlikely 2 HDDs suddenly crashed: http://imagebin.ca/v/2E3BMRg2gGmy |
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| 15:45.19 | er4z0r | aruna: yes, I had actually done something similar what you suggested, just thought there might be a more elegant way. |
| 15:45.27 | detha | er4z0r: just out of curiosity, why? |
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| 15:47.06 | er4z0r | detha: well, it is a server system. unfortunately I have some services that are compiled from source. However I do not want to make it easier than necessary for a woul-be intruder and provide them with the tools needed to compile their privilege-escalation exploits on my system ;-) |
| 15:47.19 | er4z0r | just one of many small steps |
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| 15:48.03 | detha | er4z0r: remove the compilers, build packages on a separate box :/ |
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| 15:48.43 | xreal | Anyone with an idea? |
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| 15:49.25 | er4z0r | detha: also an option, but then I would have to adjust the build to cross-compilation, which is (to me) a bigger PITA than just chgrping the compilers on my system so only a small set of users can use them |
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| 15:50.03 | er4z0r | however you approach has the merit, that it would not be affected by package updates whereas mine probably would be |
| 15:50.35 | detha | er4z0r: fair point. balance of amount of effort versus security |
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| 15:51.08 | er4z0r | as usual ;-) |
| 15:51.11 | xennex81 | UEFI is difficult! |
| 15:51.17 | xennex81 | i don't understand it at all. |
| 15:51.37 | esde | xreal: i don't see two drives as failed... i see the same error, twice, at the same location |
| 15:51.45 | er4z0r | detha: idea/suggestion actually came from here https://cisofy.com/lynis/ |
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| 15:52.03 | xreal | esde: I've got a RAID-5 (base system) with 3 drives and a RAID-1 (/mnt/osm) with 2 drives. |
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| 15:52.36 | esde | good luck! |
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| 15:53.09 | xreal | I hate systemd :( |
| 15:53.28 | xreal | 4 hours to the computer, 4 hours back. I hate 8 hours lost in trains |
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| 15:58.16 | slikts | xreal: how is it systemd's fault |
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| 15:58.54 | xreal | slikts: it's not systemd, but it's systemd reporting the bug. So 90% of the results on the web are useless, since they're from the pre-systemd aera. |
| 15:59.14 | xreal | slikts: a.k.a. "it's harder to debug" |
| 15:59.29 | slikts | oh, I thought you were blaming systemd for your long commute |
| 15:59.40 | xreal | slikts: nooo |
| 15:59.41 | xreal | ;) |
| 16:00.04 | xreal | slikts: I'm sad, systemd doesn't have SSH in emergency boot. |
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| 16:00.13 | xreal | slikts: that would help a LOT |
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| 16:00.29 | slikts | I'd like systemd to be primarily an open standard and an official implementation second |
| 16:00.36 | slikts | now it's bass ackwards |
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| 16:01.22 | xreal | My trains comes at 08:03 AM, I'll be at the computer at 01:40 PM. Expect me to be in this channel a lot then :) |
| 16:01.46 | choice | How do you guys deal with the tiny tiny font on high resolution laptops these days? Is there a Gnome setting somewhere to make everything bigger? |
| 16:02.00 | slikts | choice: it's gnome, it's supposed to be tiny |
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| 16:08.02 | babilen | choice: http://www.corsac.net/X250/#graphics -- but I simply accepted the fact that I might need glasses in about 25 years |
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| 16:13.43 | OUTsider | Pwkay, solved ? |
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| 16:14.40 | Pwkay | whats? wifi works fine, thanks |
| 16:14.50 | OUTsider | :) |
| 16:15.00 | Pwkay | but... HOLY F***, PROPRIETARY NVIDIA DRIVER CRASHES GNOME |
| 16:15.05 | Pwkay | any ideas? |
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| 16:15.12 | OUTsider | drop the caps :) |
| 16:15.59 | arty_knots | my apt-get update tries getting from places not in the list, halp |
| 16:16.12 | Pwkay | debian launches, and then i see white screen with sad smile and message about "problem has occured and system cant load. Please restart system" |
| 16:16.24 | Pwkay | any ideas? |
| 16:16.25 | er4z0r | arty_knots: have you checked /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as well? |
| 16:16.26 | OUTsider | arty: local mirror from your hoster perhaps ? |
| 16:16.42 | arty_knots | er4z0r: ill check it |
| 16:16.45 | slikts | arty_knots: you need an exorcism |
| 16:17.12 | OUTsider | on my way home.... ttyl |
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| 16:18.55 | Pwkay | how to fix... or switch back to opensource driver |
| 16:19.07 | Pwkay | cuz i spend 2 days to install debian |
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| 16:20.08 | arty_knots | er4z0r: wait how |
| 16:20.10 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Can you get to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 16:20.21 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Can you boot to single user/rescue mode? |
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| 16:20.36 | Pwkay | how to boot to rescue mode? |
| 16:20.52 | er4z0r | arty_knots: does ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ show any files? |
| 16:21.07 | markybob | Pwkay, and the first question. does ctrl-alt-f1 work? |
| 16:21.13 | Pwkay | wait |
| 16:21.30 | Pwkay | ctrlaltf1 when launch, or when problem comes? |
| 16:21.38 | markybob | problem |
| 16:22.37 | jhutchins | Pwkay: THat's how you switch between virtual consoles once the boot process completes. |
| 16:22.42 | Pwkay | yes, i can |
| 16:22.48 | Pwkay | im on console right now |
| 16:22.49 | markybob | Pwkay, you can try this: |
| 16:22.53 | markybob | !remove nvidia |
| 16:22.53 | dpkg | hmm... remove nvidia-installer is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about <contrib>. |
| 16:22.54 | Pwkay | what should i do |
| 16:23.10 | markybob | doesn't always work...worth a shot |
| 16:23.13 | Pwkay | and then restart? |
| 16:23.26 | hypermist | sorry for spam |
| 16:23.48 | markybob | Pwkay, honestly, not sure. i haven't used nvidia drivers in quite a few years |
| 16:23.59 | Pwkay | what |
| 16:24.03 | hassoon | wow pastebinit is acting so annoyingly silly |
| 16:24.04 | Pwkay | i cant log into root oO |
| 16:24.08 | hassoon | i just get http://paste.debian.net/ as the pastebin link always |
| 16:24.14 | hypermist | Pwkay, is the password changeme ;) |
| 16:24.19 | hypermist | Just thought'd i pop a joke haha |
| 16:24.29 | markybob | hypermist, no, it's letmein |
| 16:24.41 | hypermist | markybob, or is it hunter2 |
| 16:24.41 | hypermist | :p |
| 16:24.54 | Pwkay | password is correct |
| 16:24.55 | er4z0r | arty_knots: sorry, gotta run |
| 16:24.57 | jhutchins | !ru |
| 16:24.57 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 16:25.03 | Pwkay | but it says "login incorrect" |
| 16:25.13 | markybob | Pwkay, can you log in as normal user and su? |
| 16:25.14 | arty_knots | er4z0r: a shitload |
| 16:25.35 | Pwkay | im in console right now as normal user |
| 16:25.47 | markybob | Pwkay, and su doesn't work? that's what you're saying? |
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| 16:25.54 | Pwkay | after write soo and then corret root password, it says "login incorrect" |
| 16:26.00 | Pwkay | *su |
| 16:26.07 | Pwkay | *correct |
| 16:26.16 | markybob | yeah...well...not sure how to help you there. |
| 16:26.24 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Then either the password is incorrect or login has been disabled. |
| 16:26.40 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Which release did you install? |
| 16:26.57 | er4z0r | arty_knots: well then 'sudo grep -r <url-that-is-strange> /etc/apt/*' |
| 16:27.15 | Pwkay | debian jessie nonfree by netinstaller |
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| 16:27.31 | Pwkay | it works with opensource driver |
| 16:27.42 | jhutchins | arty_knots: There is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 16:27.52 | Pwkay | im fixed wifi and then installed nvidia proprietary driver |
| 16:27.57 | Pwkay | and then got this problem |
| 16:28.14 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Right, so you just need to switch to the open driver and restart graphics. You don't even need to reboot. |
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| 16:28.29 | markybob | jhutchins, how does he do that without root? |
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| 16:28.40 | markybob | he doesn't |
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| 16:29.00 | jhutchins | Right, he either remembers the right password or he uses rescue/single user mode. |
| 16:29.19 | Pwkay | i need to fix it. Maybe switch, but I still needs working proprietary driver |
| 16:29.34 | Pwkay | but right now, i needs to login :I |
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| 16:30.14 | markybob | Pwkay, why do you need the proprietary driver? this will keep happening. every day i see several people in here complaining about nvidia breaking their system |
| 16:30.43 | arty_knots | fixed it |
| 16:31.13 | jhutchins | Pwkay: Do you know how to use the grub boot editor? |
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| 16:31.20 | Pwkay | no |
| 16:31.47 | Pwkay | i needs it for games, cuz of glitches on opensource driver |
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| 16:32.23 | markybob | Pwkay, with nouveau? |
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| 16:32.51 | Pwkay | with default installed video driver - idk more, i said, im noob |
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| 16:34.24 | markybob | Pwkay, once you get your system...unfucked, ask us about nouveau. we'll make sure that's what you're using. nvidia will almost always break on upgrades. it's awful |
| 16:34.51 | hassoon | system...unfucked |
| 16:35.00 | hassoon | ahah |
| 16:35.45 | Pwkay | but i have glitches on free driver :c |
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| 16:36.58 | markybob | Pwkay, without knowing if you're using nouveau or vesa or whatever. btw, it's xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 16:37.42 | Pwkay | anyways. How to make my laptop work right now? |
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| 16:37.57 | markybob | Pwkay, without root? i don't know |
| 16:38.38 | ctmjr | if you install the nvidia driver from debian it will not break on upgrade's there is nothing wrong with the nvidia driver. |
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| 16:39.09 | Pwkay | awesome... spend 2 days for nothing |
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| 16:45.52 | OUTsider | Pwkay, Ctrl+Alt+F1 should give you a console when in gui mode |
| 16:46.34 | OUTsider | from there you can 'unfuck' things :) |
| 16:46.44 | Okitain | Guys, I seriously need help. Does anyone know how to ensure that something has its output logged while it's not run in console? |
| 16:47.16 | OUTsider | Okitain, screen ? :) |
| 16:47.45 | OUTsider | especially if apps don't really write to stdout, but to the screen directly this can come handy |
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| 16:48.14 | Okitain | OUTsider: screen? as in the multiconsole utility? |
| 16:48.23 | OUTsider | yes |
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| 16:48.36 | OUTsider | or try >filenamehere 2>&1 |
| 16:48.46 | Pwkay | @outsider, i cant login as root |
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| 16:49.00 | OUTsider | why not ? |
| 16:49.06 | Pwkay | im type correct password, but its says login incorrect |
| 16:49.14 | OUTsider | login as user |
| 16:49.23 | Pwkay | yes, im as user |
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| 16:49.30 | OUTsider | sudo -s |
| 16:49.39 | Pwkay | i have no sudo package... |
| 16:50.01 | OUTsider | isn't sudo default installed ? :) |
| 16:50.11 | Pwkay | no, in netinstaller |
| 16:50.22 | ArexR | butt |
| 16:50.33 | Okitain | Pwkay: do you have direct access to the hard drive? |
| 16:50.46 | OUTsider | Okitain, just wanted to go to that point |
| 16:50.46 | markybob | that's an interesting idea |
| 16:51.00 | OUTsider | Okitain, but considering his advertised skillset, tricky |
| 16:51.35 | Amun_Ra | Pwkay: how about: su - |
| 16:51.44 | OUTsider | will require a password :P |
| 16:51.46 | markybob | Amun_Ra, already tried that |
| 16:51.52 | Amun_Ra | oh |
| 16:52.08 | OUTsider | he did a double enter when install asked for the root pass |
| 16:52.13 | OUTsider | so root login has been disabled |
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| 16:52.51 | OUTsider | only way to get it is either sudo, with him being a sudoer, or hacking in a known password hash into /etc/shadow :) |
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| 16:53.50 | Okitain | OUTsider: or maybe there is still single user mode? |
| 16:54.01 | OUTsider | also requires a password |
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| 16:55.05 | Pwkay | out of ideas... its karma :/ spend 2 days for install debian and then epic fail |
| 16:55.06 | Okitain | OUTsider: from GRUB it usually doesn't. |
| 16:55.38 | Pwkay | nvm - you guys are cool, but my head is almost broken. Im going to sleep - see yo later |
| 16:55.40 | markybob | Pwkay, karma? what'd you do? kill a kitten? it's nvidia |
| 16:55.45 | OUTsider | just grab a bootdisc/stick with linux on it, mount the rootfs, edit <mountpath>/etc/shadow |
| 16:56.00 | OUTsider | and copy the password hash from your useraccount into the one for root |
| 16:56.03 | OUTsider | save, reboot, done |
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| 17:00.31 | abrotman | Neat .. |
| 17:00.38 | ctmjr | markybob: please explain to me how nvidia can lock you out of root |
| 17:00.51 | markybob | ctmjr, i never said that |
| 17:00.55 | markybob | ctmjr, tell me where i did |
| 17:01.46 | ctmjr | he cannot log in to root markybob> Pwkay, karma? what'd you do? kill a kitten? it's nvidia |
| 17:01.58 | Furai | What's the best way to store mercurial repo password for http/https auth? |
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| 17:02.29 | markybob | ctmjr, his problem was nvidia. he couldn't fix it because of no root access. i said nvidia fucked his gui. i said nothing about nvidia doing anything to his root. read the whole thing |
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| 17:03.07 | markybob | ctmjr, don't just jump in and attack without cause. c'mon |
| 17:04.30 | OUTsider | ctmjr, if it makes your system crash when the kernel is loaded :P |
| 17:04.57 | OUTsider | and all he needed to do to get it temp working is disable the nv support in his xconf :P |
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| 17:06.00 | OUTsider | good, just made another user happy, now back to the sasl issue :P |
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| 17:07.55 | jhutchins | What Pwkay needed were the instructions on how to boot to single user mode from grub. Given that he's in or around St Petersberg in Russia, it's etremely late there, sleep is probably a good idea. |
| 17:08.08 | ctmjr | markybob: OUTsider ok |
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| 17:08.44 | OUTsider | jhutchins, his mistake in the first place was installing debian without any form of root access |
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| 17:09.09 | OUTsider | jhutchins, disabling the login for the root account is ok, but you need to install at least sudo |
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| 17:11.21 | ctmjr | if you do not give (disable) the root password the debian installer will install sudo using the login users password |
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| 17:11.53 | OUTsider | yes, and still he said that sudo was not available for him |
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| 17:12.08 | OUTsider | so during his 2 day madness, he removed sudo, and screwed up |
| 17:12.23 | ctmjr | so he forgot the root password but thinks he did not? |
| 17:12.31 | markybob | ctmjr, we tried. believe *starts dancing* |
| 17:12.33 | RoyK | just disable root password and your machine will be a mastermind of worms ;) |
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| 17:13.37 | OUTsider | root@life# make joint |
| 17:13.46 | OUTsider | error: required ingredients not present |
| 17:13.50 | OUTsider | *damn* |
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| 17:15.21 | markybob | when it comes down it, he lost that lovin' feeling for root. Now it's gone...gone...gone...wooooooh. |
| 17:15.48 | markybob | sorry ...i'm an old fart and couldn't help but think of top gun |
| 17:16.04 | OUTsider | he abandonded his root(s) |
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| 17:34.28 | mdlioth | Hola, anyone know how to overscan the terminal? PC is having a weird issue where I startx and then end the x session and the tty1 terminal resolution changes (it overscans) I want it to do this on startup. |
| 17:36.12 | SynrGy | probably a function of your monitor, not the operating system |
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| 17:36.40 | SynrGy | CRT monitors typically remember different horizontal/vertical offset and size per video mode |
| 17:36.58 | SynrGy | so when you press the autoadjust button for that mode, it should remember it for next time |
| 17:37.15 | jhutchins | mdlioth: You can mess with screenbuffer settings, possibly that will do what you want. |
| 17:37.24 | SynrGy | i have encountered monitors that forget these settings each time they're powered off ... probably have an nvram with dead battery :p |
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| 17:37.30 | jhutchins | mdlioth: s/screenbuffer/framebuffer |
| 17:37.32 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: My uneducated guess is that you have Kernel-mode setting which is configured to use the wrong resolution, but X switched the resolution and the console picks it up. I could be dead wrong. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_mode_setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID |
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| 17:37.53 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: Or maybe you aren't using KMS at all. Have you gotten any video drivers that aren't part of Debian installed? |
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| 17:38.02 | SynrGy | so yeah, if it's software, see what the others are saying. but rule out hardware first. |
| 17:38.11 | mdlioth | Yeah, I installed 15.7 Catalyst drivers. |
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| 17:39.37 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: Did you disable KMS as part of the installation? |
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| 17:40.03 | mdlioth | I didn't do anything specific, if the .run file automagically messed with KMS then maybe |
| 17:40.07 | SynrGy | hmm. no jessie-backport of that? shame |
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| 17:40.31 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: Well, is there nomodeset in /etc/default/grub or /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 17:41.08 | mdlioth | No, but that file contains some edits I tried (that seemed to have no effect so I left them) |
| 17:41.54 | mdlioth | GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1080x32 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
| 17:42.11 | yakari | hello i have a problem i have installed debian 8.1 and then my windows does an update, since i'm not able to boot under linux |
| 17:42.18 | yakari | because windows boot automaticaly |
| 17:42.22 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: That's the grub GFX mode, you need to pass graphics mode parameters to the kernel |
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| 17:42.28 | yakari | someone can tell me what i need to do ? |
| 17:43.03 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 17:43.04 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 17:43.12 | jhutchins | yakari: That. |
| 17:43.36 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: If KMS is enabled, that should work automatically. Catalyst guides suggests that KMS doesn't work with Catalyst at all, so... You probably need framebuffer or something â if that doesn't conflict with Catalyst. |
| 17:43.45 | yakari | good thx |
| 17:44.11 | hexnewbie | er, that made no sense |
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| 17:44.53 | hexnewbie | The framebuffer is the application-side of things. I don't remember how the driver is called, or even if one can be used with Catalyst. |
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| 17:45.28 | hexnewbie | In short: Proprietary driver leads to text-only console :) |
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| 17:45.59 | SynrGy | consider if the free driver will work for you for fewer hassles |
| 17:46.34 | SynrGy | i use the free driver + non-free firmware and haven't had a driver issue ever since |
| 17:47.13 | mdlioth | Everything is working as I expect them to with the driver, except this resolution of the terminal on startup. I didn't think it was a driver issue, but I suppose it could be. I want to believe that whatever is setting the resolution/overscan settings can just be defined. |
| 17:47.33 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: The driver is called radeonfb. |
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| 17:49.46 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: Try running `modprobe radeonfb mode_option=1920x1080' before X is running. If that doesn't work, you might need to pass radeonfb.mode_option=1920x1080 to the kernel as a parameter. |
| 17:49.56 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: radeonfb might be incompatible with Catalyst |
| 17:50.03 | hexnewbie | mdlioth: So YMMV :) |
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| 17:54.51 | arty_knots | im trying to install vlc but i get a shitload of unmet dependencies D: |
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| 17:55.39 | zbrown | 4/ |
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| 17:57.58 | rgr | arty_knots: how are you installing it and on which version of debian? |
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| 17:58.40 | arty_knots | i had some source fuckups earlier, guess i commented one too many |
| 17:58.51 | rgr | well, there you go. install from apt. |
| 17:58.53 | illy | maybe u have ur sources.list |
| 17:59.01 | illy | for a diff version of debian :P |
| 17:59.07 | arty_knots | lol no |
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| 17:59.20 | rgr | hes building from source. never a good idea....... with something as stable as debian.... |
| 17:59.22 | arty_knots | now its keeping back 494 packages |
| 17:59.35 | illy | packets :o) |
| 18:00.19 | rgr | I can remember 8 years ago the usual suspects telling me here I was a wintroll because "radeon just works". Heh. most of those weenies have long gone. |
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| 18:02.02 | abrotman | has been suggesting Intel, if possible, and Radeon otherwise, for a long time |
| 18:02.30 | OUTsider | well, ms is going to buy ati :P |
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| 18:05.35 | mdlioth_ | I'm going to try to use uvesafb, I think that fb works well with my prop drivers |
| 18:06.10 | arty_knots | wtf these dependencies are mad |
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| 18:07.57 | meaneye | Anyone knows how to get fglrx-legacy-driver installed? It's no longer available past wheezy. |
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| 18:09.47 | SynrG | arty_knots: if you're on testing or unstable, this is typical for the middle of some major transitions |
| 18:09.58 | meaneye | Or to get Radeon HD 4850 working on debian testing. |
| 18:10.22 | arty_knots | im on jessie |
| 18:11.08 | SynrG | arty_knots: can't understand how you'd get huge numbers of packages held back in that case |
| 18:11.19 | SynrG | arty_knots: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 18:11.41 | arty_knots | it used to have a older one a few years ago |
| 18:11.52 | arty_knots | still having old packages i guess |
| 18:12.10 | SynrG | so you haven't upgraded |
| 18:12.22 | arty_knots | i did |
| 18:12.29 | SynrG | dist-upgrade? |
| 18:12.39 | arty_knots | i think so, it was years ago |
| 18:12.50 | SynrG | how can you be on jessie if you upgraded years ago? |
| 18:13.15 | arty_knots | jessie has been out there for some time? |
| 18:13.25 | centrx | a few months |
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| 18:13.28 | centrx | since release |
| 18:13.50 | arty_knots | yeah but as uh whats the name for before release? |
| 18:13.54 | SynrG | arty_knots: wheezy |
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| 18:14.07 | SynrG | arty_knots: are you confused about what release you're on? maybe you are still on wheezy |
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| 18:14.18 | arty_knots | no i mean like testing |
| 18:14.30 | arty_knots | it says im on 8.1 |
| 18:14.40 | SynrG | testing is stretch |
| 18:14.43 | SynrG | 8.1 is jessie |
| 18:14.51 | arty_knots | testing used to be jessie |
| 18:14.59 | JWVincent_ | Hello, I am new to the Debian IRC. I am attempting to get an x window system working on a vanilla install of Debian (no DEs or anything) and am struggling. My machine has an AMD FirePro graphics card. What package(s) must I install? I tried xorg and server-xorg-video-ati and the x server wouldn't start. |
| 18:15.01 | arty_knots | before the release right? |
| 18:15.08 | SynrG | the last time you upgraded was when jessie was still testing? |
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| 18:15.22 | SynrG | and this was "years ago"? |
| 18:15.27 | jhutchins | arty_knots: No, jessie was testing before the release. |
| 18:15.50 | arty_knots | when i did the distro upgrade duh |
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| 18:16.02 | arty_knots | or whateverthefuck its called |
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| 18:16.20 | arty_knots | jhutchins: thats what im saying |
| 18:16.21 | SynrG | arty_knots: in summary: i think you're not fully upgraded to jessie. |
| 18:16.36 | arty_knots | yeah what should i do? dist-upgrade? upgrade to hell? |
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| 18:16.55 | SynrG | arty_knots: you should've been keeping up to date with upgrades since then. the fact that you now have hundreds of packages held back is a symptom of a problem you've been ignoring for too long |
| 18:17.01 | arty_knots | manyally download broken packages? |
| 18:17.06 | arty_knots | i have been |
| 18:17.20 | arty_knots | like every fucking week |
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| 18:17.33 | SynrG | you've been keeping up to date, and yet today you have hundreds of packages held back? this makes no sense. |
| 18:17.34 | arty_knots | but somehow a ton of packages get stuck or some shit |
| 18:17.45 | SynrG | this is why i want to see your 'apt-cache policy' output |
| 18:18.08 | SynrG | something sounds very screwy here |
| 18:18.17 | SynrG | like a line (or lines) left in there for 'testing' |
| 18:19.01 | arty_knots | no mention of testing |
| 18:19.16 | SynrG | so you're not going to show your 'apt-cache policy'? |
| 18:19.36 | SynrG | i said "like". i think i could identify other kinds of problems |
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| 18:20.13 | arty_knots | what was the address for that pasty thing |
| 18:20.18 | SynrG | paste.debian.net |
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| 18:21.08 | arty_knots | SynrG: https://paste.debian.net/309849/ |
| 18:21.18 | arty_knots | what are backports? |
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| 18:22.11 | markybob | !tell arty_knots about backports |
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| 18:23.35 | arty_knots | my logic tells me here that i should change that to squeeze to jessie |
| 18:23.38 | SynrG | arty_knots: squeeze-backports shouldn't be in there |
| 18:23.40 | SynrG | yes |
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| 18:24.01 | SynrG | i can't see that this would cause packages to be held back, but do fix it |
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| 18:24.04 | SynrG | and then apt-get update |
| 18:24.27 | arty_knots | yeah i know |
| 18:24.31 | SynrG | arty_knots: then try two things. first, 'apt-get upgrade' but don't answer 'yes'. show the output |
| 18:24.44 | SynrG | arty_knots: after that, try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' but don't answer 'yes'. show the output |
| 18:24.50 | arty_knots | waitwaitiwait |
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| 18:25.06 | arty_knots | failed to fetch jessie backports? |
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| 18:25.35 | arty_knots | just a sec |
| 18:25.45 | purpleears | I have a really old version of debian (kernel 2.6.15), how do I update the source list? |
| 18:25.46 | SynrG | arty_knots: it has been integrated into the main archives |
| 18:25.51 | SynrG | arty_knots: it's no longer hosted there |
| 18:25.55 | SynrG | !jessie-backports |
| 18:25.55 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 18:25.55 | jhutchins | !archive |
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| 18:26.20 | arty_knots | oh okay |
| 18:26.40 | jelly | purpleears: hmm, the kernel version isn't enough to determine your debian release. Can you pastebin the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 18:27.00 | purpleears | just says testing/unstable |
| 18:27.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:27.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:27.16 | purpleears | from 2006 |
| 18:27.36 | jelly | purpleears: also, the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt" |
| 18:27.38 | purpleears | Im trying to keep this the same, but need to install ntp |
| 18:27.41 | jhutchins | !tell purpleears about debian archive |
| 18:28.02 | jhutchins | purpleears: What does lsb_release -a say? |
| 18:28.13 | jelly | there won't be a lsb_release command |
| 18:28.21 | purpleears | lsb_release: command not found |
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| 18:28.30 | jhutchins | jelly: You're right! |
| 18:28.37 | jelly | jhutchins: of course I'm right |
| 18:28.42 | purpleears | I can't update this, I just need NTP |
| 18:28.43 | purpleears | =\ |
| 18:28.51 | arty_knots | SynrG: still keeping back those unlucky 494 |
| 18:28.55 | jelly | purpleears: please pastebin all the output requested. |
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| 18:29.15 | jhutchins | purpleears: You should have a private message from dpkg about sources for older releases. |
| 18:29.33 | purpleears | jhutchins: i had +g on, can it be sent again? |
| 18:29.56 | jhutchins | !debian archive |
| 18:29.57 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 18:30.23 | jhutchins | purpleears: Make sure you determine the correct release first though. |
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| 18:30.33 | purpleears | jelly: http://pastebin.com/4eJCWsQv |
| 18:30.50 | Okitain | jhutchins: how do you think one would determine the release of a terribly old testing? |
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| 18:31.22 | jhutchins | Okitain: One would ask jelly. |
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| 18:31.40 | purpleears | Linux 2.6.15-1-486 #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:32.38 | jelly | purpleears: okay. That libc6 looks roughly like etch |
| 18:32.40 | Okitain | I call it... It's probably Etch. |
| 18:32.49 | SynrG | arty_knots: yeah, we need to see the actual output to be able to help. |
| 18:32.56 | Okitain | 2007 release date, meaning it would be testing |
| 18:33.07 | arty_knots | i can do it myself |
| 18:33.16 | purpleears | Where can I get updated sources for it? |
| 18:33.18 | jelly | purpleears: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 18:33.25 | SynrG | arty_knots: you can upgrade without breaking your system you mean? |
| 18:33.40 | arty_knots | it just takes time |
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| 18:33.53 | purpleears | jelly: etc |
| 18:33.58 | SynrG | ok. it must be super out of date if it's upgrading that much |
| 18:33.58 | arty_knots | if i break it again ill shout something here |
| 18:34.01 | purpleears | jelly: etch |
| 18:34.08 | jelly | purpleears: pastebin the contents. |
| 18:34.10 | SynrG | i don't understand you saying you've kept up to date regularly ... |
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| 18:34.30 | purpleears | jelly: http://pastebin.com/Q2bunNr0 |
| 18:34.31 | SynrG | if you've only ever done 'apt-get upgrade' and never 'apt-get dist-upgrade', you've never fully upgraded ... for years. |
| 18:34.58 | jelly | purpleears: good. You can replace those contents with something like... |
| 18:35.01 | jelly | !etch sources.list |
| 18:35.01 | dpkg | methinks etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 18:35.09 | SynrG | arty_knots: you say you formerly ran jessie as testing. testing users are advised to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade' regularly, or else stuff gets 'stuck' forever |
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| 18:35.21 | arty_knots | ok lol |
| 18:35.24 | purpleears | this is a server that's been doing the same thing since 2006, so it's never been upgraded or anything |
| 18:35.29 | SynrG | arty_knots: dist-upgrade permits new packages and deletions of old ones, as needed |
| 18:35.36 | jelly | purpleears: then do an "apt-get update" but don't install ntp yet. Instead, pastebin the output of "apt-get install ntp" |
| 18:35.41 | jelly | oh shit |
| 18:35.44 | arty_knots | hmm okay |
| 18:35.50 | jelly | purpleears: make that last command "apt-get -s install ntp" :-) |
| 18:36.17 | SynrG | arty_knots: as a current user of stable, you won't have to worry about it once you're done upgrading ... but keep it in mind if you ever switch to testing again. |
| 18:36.30 | purpleears | jelly: can I delete the old sources? |
| 18:36.33 | purpleears | and just put the new ones in |
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| 18:36.42 | SynrG | i gotta head out. good luck |
| 18:36.47 | jelly | purpleears: yes. |
| 18:36.55 | jelly | that's what "replacing" means |
| 18:37.28 | arty_knots | wait what would dist-upgrade exactly do if i already have 8.1? |
| 18:37.44 | purpleears | jelly: k it's going to take some time |
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| 18:38.04 | jelly | arty_knots: it would apply patches to the system |
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| 18:39.04 | purpleears | jelly: http://pastebin.com/eZtWZ23g |
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| 18:40.41 | jelly | purpleears: that's fun isn't it. gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 55BE302B |
| 18:41.25 | purpleears | jelly: same thing |
| 18:41.37 | jelly | purpleears: same thing?? |
| 18:41.50 | jelly | what's the output of gpg command? |
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| 18:41.54 | purpleears | i did the gpg command then apt-get update |
| 18:42.12 | jelly | purpleears: oh, that's fine, that wasn't enough. |
| 18:42.28 | jelly | purpleears: did the gpg command find and import a key for lenny? |
| 18:42.34 | purpleears | jelly: http://pastebin.com/Hzd2dmG8 |
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| 18:42.52 | fearnothing | where do I define nameservers so that the definition will be permanent? |
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| 18:43.08 | jelly | purpleears: good. You can now do: gpg --export 55BE302B | apt-key add - |
| 18:43.10 | Stummi | fearnothing, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:43.15 | jelly | purpleears: and then do apt-get update |
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| 18:43.35 | fearnothing | erm, there's a big warning in that file that says not to edit manually because the changes will be overwritten |
| 18:43.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell fearnothing about override dns |
| 18:43.51 | vrkansagara | :-) dpkg |
| 18:43.51 | fearnothing | and I've also tried that and found that it got reset to defaults after a while :P |
| 18:44.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell jelly about test |
| 18:44.38 | purpleears | jelly: http://pastebin.com/UhMrrpN1 |
| 18:44.48 | fearnothing | ok, does it matter that I'm not using dhcp? |
| 18:45.09 | jelly | fearnothing: how do you set up your IP addresses, then? |
| 18:45.24 | arty_knots | half a gig of updates >_< |
| 18:45.31 | fearnothing | static IP on this particular box |
| 18:45.44 | jelly | fearnothing: how do you configure that static ip? |
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| 18:46.34 | purpleears | jelly: output of apt-get -s install ntp http://pastebin.com/va6tW7w2 |
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| 18:47.13 | jelly | purpleears: seems fine, nothing else will be upgraded, only a couple new packages installed |
| 18:47.21 | fearnothing | jelly - in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:47.36 | jelly | purpleears: why, pray tell, do you need a horribly old, insecure, version of ntpd installed? |
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| 18:48.39 | jelly | fearnothing: ok then, read "man resolvconf" and note the example telling about dns-nameserver and dns-search additions to the syntax for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:48.53 | fearnothing | thank you :) |
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| 18:48.58 | jelly | note resolvconf without a "." |
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| 18:49.04 | bint | hi there |
| 18:49.26 | bint | i'm always getting input / output errors |
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| 18:49.41 | bint | so i booted the server via rescue |
| 18:49.48 | bint | e2fsck /dev/sda e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) /dev/sda is in use. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting. |
| 18:49.55 | bint | but i can't fsck sda and sdb |
| 18:50.14 | bint | anybody knows how to check the hdd's? |
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| 18:50.34 | purpleears | jelly: uhm, I just need ntp. time was off by like 45 minutes :). this doesn't hit the internet at all |
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| 18:50.41 | fearnothing | do I need to restart networking for it to apply? |
| 18:50.47 | purpleears | it's an old nagios server, I'm about to replace it |
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| 18:51.10 | jelly | purpleears: alright then. if it's just a one-off thing, you could also use ntpdate |
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| 18:52.12 | Guest44022 | can someone please help with this synaptic error, it auto quits on launch? |
| 18:52.12 | Guest44022 | "E: The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 18:52.12 | Guest44022 | E: _cache->open() failed, please report." |
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| 18:52.39 | jelly | Guest44022: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 18:52.47 | Guest44022 | 8.1 |
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| 18:53.04 | jelly | Guest44022: have you tampered with /etc/apt/apt.conf file? |
| 18:53.08 | Guest44022 | i thought maybe clear cache or something? |
| 18:53.44 | Guest44022 | i seem to encounter alot of catastrophic problems with synaptic as i try to secure it |
| 18:53.55 | jelly | secure it how? |
| 18:54.04 | bint | ERROR while sending data: wget or curl returned error (exitcode=51) |
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| 18:55.12 | Guest44022 | default sources -> apt-https-tranport mirrors -> apt-tor-transport mirror -> tor+https |
| 18:55.39 | otyugh | quit |
| 18:56.05 | Guest44022 | i had similar problems simply using apt-transport-https |
| 18:56.06 | jelly | Guest44022: what makes you think that will be more secure than the default, given that the repos and their contents are signed with a predefined key? |
| 18:57.00 | Guest44022 | i really was just wondering if there was a simple way to purge error |
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| 18:57.34 | jelly | Guest44022: there probably is, but it would be nice if you showed what changes you made to apt.conf |
| 18:57.35 | Guest44022 | like reset sources perhaps |
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| 18:58.22 | jelly | Guest44022: the error does not complain about sources, it complains about the wrong APT::Default-Release setting and that is what probably needs fixing |
| 18:58.24 | Guest44022 | how would i do that? |
| 18:58.53 | Guest44022 | or which file? |
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| 19:01.14 | jelly | Guest44022: /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 19:01.50 | jelly | Guest44022: grep -i default-release /etc/apt/apt.conf{,.d/*} |
| 19:02.03 | purpleears | jelly: thanks for your help |
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| 19:02.37 | Beret- | Hi, how can I include .dotfiles but not .dotfolders when using duplicity? |
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| 19:04.14 | Okitain | Beret-: duplicity? Elaborate. |
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| 19:04.51 | Guest44022 | thats what i thought but theres only apt.config.d folder with many files |
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| 19:07.00 | Guest44022 | 00aptitude, 00CDMountPoint, 00trustcdrom, 01autoremove, 01autoremove-kernels, 20packagekit, 50unattended-upgrades, 70debconf, 99synaptic |
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| 19:09.11 | Beret- | Okitain: I want to backup only a few directories in my home folder using Duplicity, I don't know if using --exclude to a lot of folders to avoid to backup them is the good option |
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| 19:12.40 | Okitain | Beret-: sorry, i'm not knowledgeable about duplicity, i just write shell scripts :) |
| 19:12.53 | Okitain | Beret-: https://launchpad.net/duplicity has "ask a question" on it |
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| 19:14.09 | jelly | Guest44022: so... no output from that grep command? |
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| 19:15.34 | rdz | hey. i'm migrating my system from an HDD to an SSD. Is there something about the disk layout that I should take care of? |
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| 19:16.27 | OUTsider | not that I'm aware of |
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| 19:16.41 | jelly | rdz: not much, if your partitions and filesystems are aligned to 1MiB as is the default these days, you're pretty safe |
| 19:16.55 | Okitain | rdz: just don't forget to migrate Grub and the rest of the stuff |
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| 19:17.19 | OUTsider | there is one thing you have to take care off |
| 19:17.44 | OUTsider | get an espresso machine instead of an old style coffeemaker, coz your system will boot faster |
| 19:17.52 | jelly | rdz: I leave about 10-20% of SSD space completely unformatted, never used, in hopes that may prolong its life by giving the block reuse algos more breathing space |
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| 19:18.23 | OUTsider | good one jelly |
| 19:18.59 | rdz | jelly, Okitain thanks |
| 19:19.03 | t4nk798 | Hi, network-manager is giving me issues (crashing when I try to import a .ovpn file) how can I fix this? |
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| 19:21.32 | Okitain | rdz: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives see this too |
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| 19:28.35 | avar | Why would ls --color=always stop showing colors, but only inside screen? |
| 19:28.51 | avar | Works in tmux |
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| 19:29.13 | Stummi | avar, iirc, ls does not use terminfo for coloring but hard-hacked vt100 codes |
| 19:29.34 | Stummi | maybe your terminal does not support them. Screen and tmux recognizes these codes and translates them into what your terminal understands |
| 19:29.45 | Okitain | avar: did it ever show colors tho? |
| 19:30.06 | Stummi | oh wait, it doesn't work inside screen. nvm |
| 19:30.06 | avar | Yeah I ran aptitude upgrade earlier and rebooted, this is gnome-terminal, I'm trying to find out what the regression is |
| 19:30.09 | zerodrama | every time i closed the laptop lid, my laptop sleeps |
| 19:31.14 | zerodrama | like even the camera driver gets reloaded |
| 19:31.22 | zerodrama | and i have to reconnect wifi |
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| 19:31.29 | zerodrama | when i open up again |
| 19:31.34 | Stummi | avar, I would check first if the TERM environment is broken in any way |
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| 19:32.22 | Stummi | (is $TERM set correctly to whatever gnome-terminal uses outside of screen and set to screen inside?) |
| 19:32.42 | avar | Oh that's it. I tried unsetting it, but it's because it's set to TERM=screen.xterm-256color, when I set it to TERM=xterm-256color it works |
| 19:33.25 | Stummi | strange, does gnome-terminal identify itself as xterm? (don't use it, so don't know) |
| 19:33.40 | b-tag | Guys, is there a version of Debian for clouds or virtual machines? |
| 19:34.10 | Stummi | b-tag, whats wrong with vanilla debian in virtual machines? |
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| 19:34.30 | avar | Colors should work with it, it's odd. |
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| 19:35.47 | b-tag | Stummi, nothing wrong, in fact, but I suspect it could have bigger footprint. |
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| 19:36.13 | b-tag | I was thinking of something like: https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/ |
| 19:36.45 | avar | So doing (export TERM="xterm-256color") via bashrc works ls etc. But there's still something odd going on, all of emacs's colors changed too |
| 19:36.52 | Stummi | avar, actually I would rather set it to screen instead of xterm within screen, since thats more reliable, but in reality both will probably work |
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| 19:37.42 | Stummi | it seems gnome-terminal sets TERM to xterm-256color and screen sets TERM to screen.xterm-256color - not sure why but it seems that ls does not print colors then |
| 19:37.44 | avar | Stummi: Cool, that sets colors back to what they were before |
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| 19:38.12 | Okitain | b-tag: you can get a netinstall, install all the required packages, and make that into an image |
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| 19:38.32 | Stummi | avar, i am not sure which one I would send a bugreport here. gnome-terminal, screen or ls |
| 19:38.50 | Stummi | probably screen |
| 19:39.11 | b-tag | Okitain, I was thinking of using emDebian, but still unsure how I could get rid of the unnecessary stuff |
| 19:39.25 | Okitain | b-tag: just uninstall it, silly bunny! |
| 19:39.31 | Stummi | on the other hand "tput setaf 3; echo foobar" works correctly with the TERM=screen.xterm-256color.. *shrug* |
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| 19:39.56 | Stummi | b-tag, you can setup debian from a live system with debootstrap, this will give you a minimal installation |
| 19:40.07 | avar | Stummi: Yeah, no idea, possibly emacs :) |
| 19:40.15 | medicalwei_ | b-tag, emdebian is merged to debian now. |
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| 19:40.26 | Stummi | afair its more minimal than everything thats possible via d-i, but I didn't used d-i for years, maybe it changes since then |
| 19:40.30 | medicalwei_ | hides his tail. |
| 19:41.09 | b-tag | medicalwei, merged? Meaning? |
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| 19:42.31 | medicalwei | b-tag, http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 19:42.36 | b-tag | If I remember well, emDebian was incorporating specially re-compiled and re-packeted apps for reduced footprint... |
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| 19:43.22 | medicalwei | b-tag, if you mean toolchain, these are merged into debian. |
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| 19:44.19 | b-tag | So emDebian doesn't exist anymore? |
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| 19:45.53 | medicalwei | b-tag, ceased update of stable (now oldstable) release. |
| 19:46.13 | medicalwei | but the toolchains are now in debian main archive |
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| 19:49.16 | jhutchins | b-tag: You're better off building your own standard debian (or using a supplied image). Cloud servers are more like desktops/hardware servers than embedded sysstems. |
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| 19:52.35 | OUTsider | upx may also help :) |
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| 19:53.05 | OUTsider | if you go for size that is, it will impact performance |
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| 19:53.43 | b-tag | jhutchins, I was just curious, because many OS projects have started to produce cloud versions, e.g. ubuntu, oracle, fedora, etc... |
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| 19:57.57 | roflbot | hi guys, how to backport newest nvidia driver to stretch? or I think I need ver 346 or should I download driver from nvidia? (yuck) |
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| 19:58.53 | Okitain | roflbot: try installing it from NVidia's site if you really want to. The instructions are pretty clear. |
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| 20:01.40 | roflbot | Okitain: I guess, and wait patiently for the driver to get to the repos |
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| 20:02.47 | Kathgrar | Hi, i have a external 1 TB hard drive with USB 3.0. It is okay to use btrfs? I only want to connect it on Linux machines. |
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| 20:04.36 | hexnewbie | Kathgrar: If you plan to backup that drive more regularly than usual, it's probably OK. |
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| 20:05.45 | hexnewbie | Kathgrar: I am reading that with recent kernels btrfs is no longer going FUBAR all the time, but I wouldn't trust such claims for a third time. |
| 20:05.56 | nezZario | Ok |
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| 20:06.56 | Kathgrar | I only want to use it for backups |
| 20:07.12 | Kathgrar | I have read that btrfs is more rubust and stable against file system crashes |
| 20:07.20 | nezZario | Guys, .. I can't get openjdk installed: I'm getting this message "/etc/ca-certificates/update.d/jks-keystore: 33: /etc/ca-certificates/update.d/jks-keystore: mountpoint: not found" .. I checked that actual file and it's checking if a /proc exists using a tool called "mountpoint" which I can't find anywhere on my system |
| 20:07.30 | nezZario | It's suppose to be supplied by util-linux, but once again, it's just non-existant on my system. |
| 20:07.50 | nezZario | Should I just comment out the block of code in the install script and let it roll? It's just checking that /proc is mounted (which it is) |
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| 20:08.13 | Kathgrar | hexnewbie: ^ my question above |
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| 20:08.44 | hexnewbie | Kathgrar: Try it. :) It might work for you, and snapshots are nice (I even consider them mandatory lately) for backups. You do have the original data in place, so the worst that could happen is lose your backups |
| 20:09.34 | Kathgrar | Okay, btrfs looks nice to me, i will give it a try, thank you, hexnewbie |
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| 20:15.27 | GIGARAMA | HI everyone I'v got one only one question, I use Linux long time and only problem is that graphic card is overheat. Why? With ordinary use. It's second card that burn tonight. |
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| 20:17.02 | OUTsider | which card ? |
| 20:17.09 | GIGARAMA | nvidia |
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| 20:17.30 | OUTsider | which driver ? |
| 20:18.00 | GIGARAMA | it's not nvidia |
| 20:18.46 | OUTsider | can you read temps and operating speed from the card ? |
| 20:19.02 | GIGARAMA | nouveau |
| 20:19.04 | GIGARAMA | driver |
| 20:19.11 | GIGARAMA | where to read temps |
| 20:19.18 | GIGARAMA | conky |
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| 20:20.18 | OUTsider | well, with the newer cards, you can set the clock/memory speeds and read temperature of the chip |
| 20:21.22 | OUTsider | so if your card overheats during ordinary use, it looks to me like something makes the driver convert something simple to something that takes a lot of processing of the card |
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| 20:21.49 | GIGARAMA | i think so too |
| 20:21.54 | GIGARAMA | but how to fix that |
| 20:22.00 | OUTsider | I assume nouveau does not provide cuda functionality, otherwise it might be that something abuses your gpu for computing |
| 20:22.05 | xreal | Anyone with a crystal ball? I've got a RAID-5 (base system) with 3 drives and a RAID-1 (/mnt/osm) with 2 drives. What has happened? I have to travel 4 hours tomorrow to fix this bug. Is the SATA-controller damaged? It's a RAID-5 with 3 HDDs, it's unlikely 2 HDDs suddenly crashed: http://imagebin.ca/v/2E3BMRg2gGmy |
| 20:22.49 | [-iCe-] | exit |
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| 20:22.57 | OUTsider | xreal, and yes, that CAN happen |
| 20:23.11 | koollman | but it is unlikely |
| 20:23.18 | GIGARAMA | when i open comp everything is cold memory... everythink exept graphic card |
| 20:23.36 | OUTsider | GIGARAMA, how about the airflow in your system |
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| 20:23.43 | OUTsider | what type of cooling you use ? |
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| 20:23.48 | GIGARAMA | air |
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| 20:23.56 | xreal | OUTsider & koollman: I'll visit this computer tomorrow (4 hours with train...) I hope, I can find the bug. |
| 20:24.14 | koollman | xreal: this does not say much about any disk failure. it merely says someti |
| 20:24.15 | OUTsider | are those 2 disks on the same sata channel ? |
| 20:24.20 | koollman | *something timed out |
| 20:24.31 | xreal | koollman: Does systemd break, when a mdadm array wasn't able to be mounted? |
| 20:25.02 | xreal | Actually, a systemd error means "system array was okay"?! |
| 20:25.19 | koollman | I do not know how to read systemd output well. It could be that. But it doesn't have to be that. No way to have someone type the password, or to reboot on some rescue image ? |
| 20:25.44 | xreal | koollman: I'm also no able to read it. I'm a system-init guy. |
| 20:25.46 | OUTsider | xreal, so your raid-1 broke ? |
| 20:25.52 | xreal | OUTsider: yeah, seems like this. |
| 20:25.59 | xreal | OUTsider: but is this a reason not to boot a server? :( |
| 20:26.06 | xreal | OUTsider: if so, systemd is broken |
| 20:26.20 | OUTsider | depends on your settings |
| 20:26.24 | xreal | OUTsider: default... |
| 20:26.33 | koollman | xreal: it's a reason in system-init too. (failure to mount something from fstab by default result in boot failure) |
| 20:26.55 | xreal | OUTsider: but on a default configuration, a mounted partition, which doesn't have anything to do with the "system" (it's just some data on it), shouldn't break booting. |
| 20:26.56 | OUTsider | ^- exactly that |
| 20:27.09 | xreal | koollman: really?? I never had that. |
| 20:27.14 | koollman | well, it does :) |
| 20:27.17 | xreal | koollman: I often had bad arrays, but I was able to boot into it. |
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| 20:27.29 | xreal | koollman: I mean, boot into the system and fix it. |
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| 20:27.47 | OUTsider | looks at jannic |
| 20:27.56 | OUTsider | damn, you live so close, I can almost smell you :P |
| 20:27.57 | xreal | let me install virtualbox and simulate the problem. |
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| 20:28.11 | koollman | xreal: what I wonder is the eth0 part. it means network is up... but maybe you haveno daemon running |
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| 20:28.19 | koollman | *wonder about |
| 20:28.32 | xreal | koollman: it has even started other services. |
| 20:28.49 | OUTsider | just not ssh ? |
| 20:29.07 | xreal | OUTsider: yep. and that makes me angry. |
| 20:29.15 | xreal | OUTsider: why isn't there SSH in rescue mode :( |
| 20:29.16 | jhutchins | xreal: You might want to see about getting an out-of-band management card. |
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| 20:29.24 | OUTsider | no ipmi on that box ? :) |
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| 20:29.27 | xreal | jhutchins: yep... |
| 20:29.30 | xreal | OUTsider: nope :( |
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| 20:29.38 | xreal | OUTsider: actually, I never had problems with crashed raids. |
| 20:29.54 | OUTsider | I had it, once |
| 20:29.57 | OUTsider | and guess what |
| 20:29.59 | xreal | OUTsider: that's why I'm using mirror and RAID-5. |
| 20:30.02 | OUTsider | 2 disks broke :P |
| 20:30.02 | koollman | I do think this kind of default setting is dumb. and I still think it's sad to have that problem on debian |
| 20:30.24 | xreal | OUTsider: but even IF the raid-1 broke, it doesn't have anything to do with the main system. it's just mounted data. |
| 20:30.39 | xreal | OUTsider: since systemd sends messages, the RAID-5 is still alive :) |
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| 20:31.33 | xreal | What does DEPEND mean? Something *depends* on /mnt/osm. |
| 20:31.45 | jhutchins | xreal: I've seen cases where nobody noticed the first failed disk until the second disk failed. |
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| 20:32.15 | xreal | jhutchins: mdadm would send a mail on this. but systemd doesn't let it... Is systemd able to send logs via mail ? |
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| 20:33.26 | OUTsider | xreal, whats the mounted data for ? |
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| 20:34.02 | xreal | OUTsider: OpenStreetMap data files are on there :) |
| 20:34.05 | xreal | OUTsider: OSM :) |
| 20:34.14 | OUTsider | and how are they shared ? |
| 20:34.30 | OUTsider | and whatever shares it, is it loaded before or after ssh ? |
| 20:34.42 | xreal | OUTsider: I've simply mounted it in fstab. |
| 20:34.43 | jhutchins | xreal: I don't know about systemd, but rsyslog can. |
| 20:34.50 | Beret- | Hello how can I backup few directories from my /home folder with Duplicity? Let say I have "A" to "Z" folders and only want to backup folder "B" and "J", how should I process? |
| 20:34.57 | jhutchins | xreal: How is systemd blocking email from mdadmin? |
| 20:35.00 | xreal | jhutchins: I don't think systemd has started rsyslog. It has its own logging engine. |
| 20:35.07 | xreal | jhutchins: I think, it hasn't started it now. |
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| 20:36.03 | jhutchins | Beret-: http://duplicity.nongnu.org/duplicity.1.html |
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| 20:36.28 | OUTsider | and could it be that the raid ain't broke, but is in a file system check state, and thus has been unmounted in order to perform that check |
| 20:36.30 | jhutchins | xreal: So you're not sure what's running, but it has at least partially booted. |
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| 20:36.42 | jhutchins | OUTsider: Good point. |
| 20:37.52 | d33tah | i'd like to create a script that does apt-get source gcc and then rebuilds it, but uses a different CC. i noticed that it bootstraps itself, so it doesn't matter which compiler i used. can i somehow make it not bootstrap itself? |
| 20:38.03 | OUTsider | and depending on the size of the raid-1, it might take some time |
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| 20:39.01 | greycat | d33tah: sounds like a question for #gcc |
| 20:39.49 | Ner0 | hey guys, i have a bootable usb stick with kali and parrot installed via YUMI. The thing is that it asks for a cdrom both on my laptop and stationary computer. Can't continue the installation without it finding the "cdrom". Anyone had this issue? |
| 20:39.51 | OUTsider | people forget about fsck and this behaviour :) |
| 20:40.06 | greycat | !kali |
| 20:40.06 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 20:40.32 | xreal | OUTsider: but come on... even on file check state, it's no good to kick off the server on reboot :) |
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| 20:40.58 | OUTsider | all I can say about that it: life ain't fair :) |
| 20:41.01 | Beret- | jhutchins: its not explain for my particular problem |
| 20:41.10 | Ner0 | haha ;D |
| 20:42.04 | jhutchins | Beret-: Sure it does. duplicity B <target> |
| 20:42.30 | OUTsider | --exclude-filelist filename |
| 20:42.31 | OUTsider | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.38 | OUTsider | yes, it does |
| 20:42.54 | jhutchins | OUTsider: Or if you're backing up 2 out of 26, specify instead of exclude. |
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| 20:43.39 | OUTsider | yes |
| 20:44.07 | jhutchins | duplicity --include /home --include /etc --exclude â**â / file:///usr/local/backup |
| 20:44.10 | OUTsider | --include-regexp regexp |
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| 20:44.36 | jhutchins | Amazing what some projects put in the man page. |
| 20:44.40 | greycat | warning: whatever those chars around ** are, they are not ASCII. |
| 20:44.42 | OUTsider | there are tons of options to play with for you Beret- |
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| 20:45.01 | jhutchins | greycat: Right single quote. |
| 20:45.12 | jhutchins | greycat: Or apostrophe. |
| 20:45.15 | greycat | jhutchins: you may have intended it to be, but it's not. Are you on a Mac by chance? |
| 20:45.34 | jhutchins | greycat: Cut-and-paste from the web manpage posted above. |
| 20:45.43 | greycat | It's SUPER blatantly obvious for me because I'm in irssi on Latin-1 and they come through as reverse-video capital Z |
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| 20:46.04 | OUTsider | greycat, he probably pastes it as utf8 |
| 20:46.06 | greycat | So, they probably are Microsoft "smart quotes". |
| 20:46.08 | jhutchins | greycat: Cool |
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| 20:46.39 | Beret- | jhutchins: I know I can backup just one folder, but I can't backup more than one at the same time from one directory. However I succeed, by doing "duplicity --exclude A --exclude B --exclude C et..." but with all the folders that I don't need the command is too long. |
| 20:46.43 | OUTsider | maybe even multibyte |
| 20:46.47 | greycat | The point is, do not copy/paste that command from IRC to your terminal because it won't work. |
| 20:47.19 | jhutchins | Beret-: So READ the manpage - it says how to do an include instead of an exclude. |
| 20:47.24 | OUTsider | Beret-, --include-regexp regexp |
| 20:47.39 | jhutchins | Beret-: I pasted an example at :44 |
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| 20:49.06 | OUTsider | Beret-, --include-regexp /[BJ]/ perhaps ? |
| 20:49.21 | OUTsider | not sure how to put regexp values on command line |
| 20:49.26 | OUTsider | but something in that way |
| 20:50.29 | jhutchins | Beret-: I would expect that you can specify files/paths sequentially with path seperators and that it knows when you're done because you have a URL as the target. |
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| 20:50.32 | OUTsider | and otherwise, since the amount of folders you want is smaller then the ones you want, using --include is faster |
| 20:50.54 | jhutchins | Beret-: So duplicity A B C <URL> |
| 20:50.56 | OUTsider | then the ones you don't... |
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| 20:51.23 | jhutchins | OUTsider: /[BJ/] |
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| 20:53.05 | jhutchins | Beret-: There is also --include-filelist and --exclude-filelist |
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| 20:55.24 | haikur | hi |
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| 20:55.41 | jhutchins | Beret-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto |
| 20:55.43 | haikur | anyone know about linux hardening scripts? |
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| 20:56.06 | holiday | Does alsa not come with a Debian netinstall? |
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| 20:56.10 | haikur | one of them that uses TCL or TK isn't able to apply it's changes in Wheezy |
| 20:56.15 | haikur | it used to |
| 20:56.27 | haikur | early Wheezy it worked fine |
| 20:56.38 | jhutchins | haikur: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
| 20:56.47 | haikur | jhutchins: ? |
| 20:57.10 | jhutchins | haikur: You asked about hardening scripts. That's what I know. |
| 20:57.30 | haikur | jhutchins: you know the bastille-linux hardening script? |
| 20:57.43 | jhutchins | haikur: No, I know trinity. |
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| 20:57.59 | haikur | well bastille-linux used to work, no changes needed |
| 20:58.03 | haikur | I'm using it now |
| 20:58.07 | haikur | on this wheezy box |
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| 20:58.21 | jhutchins | haikur: Figure out what it's trying to do and how it's trying to do it, figure out what error it's gettng. |
| 20:58.22 | haikur | however when I installed it wheezy was new, or maybe in testing even |
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| 20:58.30 | haikur | jhutchins: yea I investigated it |
| 20:58.35 | haikur | couldn't figure it out |
| 20:58.43 | haikur | anyway, on New Wheezy boxen |
| 20:58.45 | haikur | doesn't work |
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| 20:58.51 | haikur | it cannot save it's config |
| 20:59.03 | haikur | it can't even pull up the GTK graphical interface |
| 20:59.16 | haikur | using the ncurses interface : no saving |
| 20:59.21 | haikur | some tcl error |
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| 21:00.54 | jhutchins | haikur: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/harden-tools <-bastille replacement in debian. |
| 21:01.18 | OUTsider | jhutchins, as i said already, tons of options for him to play with :) |
| 21:01.51 | jhutchins | haikur: I would not try too make those kind of changes with a non-debian tool. Who knows what incompatabilities it could have? Wrong paths, wrong options, wrong commands... |
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| 21:02.17 | holiday | Would anyone know why irssi isn't working? I just installed Debian (netinst), and I can get onto this channel via webirc, but not through irssi. |
| 21:02.30 | xennex81 | That's funny, I was just reading about Haiku (the BeOS operating system). |
| 21:02.31 | jhutchins | haikur: It would be even better if you were to figure out what changes bastille tries to make and make them yourself using native Debian commands and procedures. |
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| 21:03.20 | jhutchins | holiday: It works fine from here (jessie), from my old lenny (I know) box, and from my CentOS 6.5 box. |
| 21:04.01 | jhutchins | holiday: Have a look at this, maybe you missed a setup step: http://irssi.org/beginner/ |
| 21:04.19 | Kathgrar | Hi all :) |
| 21:04.55 | holiday | jhutchins: I've read through that before, none of that should effect irssi's functionality out of the box. |
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| 21:06.26 | Kathgrar | To duab boot Windows and Debian, what system do I need to install first? I think installing Windows and then Debian will destroy the ESP (?) boot machanism of Windows, no? |
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| 21:07.22 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Depends on the version of Windows, but yes, Windows overwrites the linux bootloader; the linux bootloader can load windows. |
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| 21:07.59 | nadu | Hi |
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| 21:08.18 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: THere was a way to get the NT4 bootloader to load Linux, but hardly anybody did it, it wasn't well documented. |
| 21:08.25 | Kathgrar | jhutchins: It's Windows 8.1, with UEFI enabled. Do I need to install Debian first? |
| 21:08.52 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Usually it's done the other way around. I think you have to use the Windows tools to resize the partitions. |
| 21:08.53 | markybob | Kathgrar, i don't know when you'd ever install linux first |
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| 21:09.24 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: Linux asks whether to install grub, Windows just installs it's bootloader without asking. |
| 21:09.40 | Kathgrar | Okay, first install Windows then? |
| 21:09.40 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: You can go back and fix it, but it's an extra step. |
| 21:09.49 | markybob | Kathgrar, i would |
| 21:09.55 | FI_OpwK | Kathgrar: absolutely |
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| 21:10.00 | Kathgrar | Okay, thanks ;) |
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| 21:10.12 | nadu | Yep install Windows first. Grub detects Windows and makes both systems bootable |
| 21:10.27 | Kathgrar | Okay, cool, thanks all :) |
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| 21:10.52 | nadu | Windows let's you only boot Windows by default. You would need to add Linux to the Bootloader manually |
| 21:11.38 | FI_OpwK | Kathgrar: just make sure you read everything before you finish install. Not a good look thinking you're on the right track only to find you have a complete install of Debian. |
| 21:11.54 | nadu | Quick question: Is there a way to subscribe my email address to specific packages so I get an email if there is an update for example? |
| 21:12.27 | Kathgrar | FI_OpwK: I ever read before pressing or clicking something ;) |
| 21:12.37 | FI_OpwK | ok |
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| 21:21.23 | jhutchins | nadu: Most of the announce lists cover all the packages for a given repository. |
| 21:22.56 | holiday | I've manually installed Alsa and PulseAudio, I've cranked everything up to 100%, but I do not get sound, anyone know why? I checked cat /proc/asound/cards to make sure my audio cards were properly installed. |
| 21:23.08 | greycat | !alsa checklist |
| 21:23.09 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:23.26 | OUTsider | Katharsis, well, you read at least 'i agree', 'next', 'finish' |
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| 21:24.34 | Katharsis | OUTsider: ? |
| 21:24.52 | OUTsider | <Kathgrar> FI_OpwK: I ever read before pressing or clicking something ;) |
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| 21:25.32 | nadu | jhutchins: thanks. I just added my email address there :) |
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| 21:26.35 | OUTsider | mv /usr/outsider /dev/bed/outsider; sleep |
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| 21:27.01 | fnstudio_ | hi, my iceweasel crashes whenever i try to play a video (eg youtube.com); i downgraded it to testing but no luck; i get a segmentation fault |
| 21:27.28 | o0nor3iny0o | how can i speed my tools on kali linux |
| 21:27.47 | fnstudio_ | on the CLI not much info other than a mention to `basic_code_modules.cc:88: INFO: No module at ...` |
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| 21:28.06 | ryouma | fnstudio_: there was an update today in wheezy, so maybe there is one for jessie |
| 21:28.07 | d3co | !hi |
| 21:28.07 | dpkg | hello, d3co |
| 21:28.14 | ryouma | fnstudio_: though jmight nto be related |
| 21:28.29 | d3co | did you know some cloud services with Debian? |
| 21:28.52 | OUTsider | fnstudio_, on all video's ? |
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| 21:29.12 | fnstudio_ | ryouma: hey thanks for your suggestion; i tried 3 versions from experimental down to testing - but no luck with any of them |
| 21:29.16 | jhutchins | fnstudio_: Try this page: https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 21:29.31 | OUTsider | yeah, exactly my thought |
| 21:29.34 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: i think so |
| 21:29.40 | fnstudio_ | jhutchins: let me try |
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| 21:29.57 | OUTsider | it could be a plugin/extension causing this |
| 21:29.58 | jhutchins | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:29.59 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 31.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.0esr-1~stretch; wheezy-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.2.1esr-1; jessie- |
| 21:30.00 | judd | backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0.3-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0.3-3 |
| 21:30.13 | ryouma | good point. does safe mode work? |
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| 21:30.33 | haikur | 17:10 < jhutchins> haikur: It would be even better if you were to figure out what changes bastille tries to make and make them yourself using native Debian commands and procedures |
| 21:30.36 | haikur | NO |
| 21:30.38 | haikur | 200 + commands |
| 21:30.41 | haikur | fucking bullshit |
| 21:30.48 | haikur | you broke TCL |
| 21:30.49 | OUTsider | hence why jhutchins pointed him to the html5 page, in order to skip such plugins, like flash |
| 21:30.52 | haikur | fucking cucks |
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| 21:31.14 | holiday | !alsa checklist |
| 21:31.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:31.29 | jhutchins | haikur: No, you used a non-Debian program and expected it to work on Debian. You're lucky it didn't do any damage. |
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| 21:32.00 | OUTsider | what has no more bastille to do with breaking tcl ? |
| 21:32.18 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider jhutchins: that page says i'm ok on 4 out of six video formats |
| 21:32.30 | jhutchins | haikur: You're probably VERY LUCKY it didn't run. |
| 21:32.36 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider jhutchins: i've html5 as default format |
| 21:32.37 | OUTsider | which are the 2 that don't work ? |
| 21:32.50 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider jhutchins: and no flash plugin installed (of course ;)) |
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| 21:33.26 | OUTsider | yes, but some content requires the flash player, due to drm |
| 21:33.30 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: MSE & H.264 and MSE & WebM VP9 |
| 21:33.38 | OUTsider | vevo's for example if I am not mistaken |
| 21:33.58 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: i'm fine in not being able to see those videos |
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| 21:34.10 | doudou | hi, i downloaded debian iso, i would know if there is still udev downloading firmware or if there is another? |
| 21:34.27 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: the browser was working fine up to last week on a specific video that causes crash now |
| 21:35.18 | OUTsider | and before that specific video, using the same browsersession, other video's worked ? |
| 21:35.50 | OUTsider | or was it the first video on a new launch of the browser after an update ? |
| 21:36.37 | doudou | i read udev downloaded firmware without asking and beeing potentialy a problem with code injection into kernel, as spying is a big problem, is it solved? |
| 21:36.43 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: yes video always played fine |
| 21:36.53 | OUTsider | thats not my question :) |
| 21:36.59 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: sorry |
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| 21:37.22 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: not sure i understand :( |
| 21:37.35 | OUTsider | i want to determine if either that video caused it, which may result in some stuck cookie, or if it is related to an update of the browser |
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| 21:37.52 | holiday | !alsa checklist |
| 21:37.52 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:38.11 | OUTsider | and if it is a specific problem in the browser, or if it is system related |
| 21:38.15 | OUTsider | and stuff like that |
| 21:38.16 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: ah, i see. i'm afraid i cannot tell it for sure |
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| 21:38.40 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: but i can remove my cookies, just in case |
| 21:38.50 | OUTsider | and your cache if you don't mind |
| 21:38.58 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: sure - brb |
| 21:39.18 | OUTsider | also try to find out if it is only in iceweasel or also in another browser |
| 21:39.26 | holiday | I've done all the steps provided in !alsamixer, but I still cannot get sound. Anyone know why? |
| 21:39.38 | OUTsider | did you turn on the speakers ? |
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| 21:39.47 | holiday | OUTsider: yes, they are on |
| 21:39.50 | OUTsider | might sound funny, but you never know |
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| 21:40.12 | OUTsider | and they are correctly connected ? |
| 21:40.14 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: hm still no luck |
| 21:40.23 | holiday | OUTsider: it's not a hardware problem... |
| 21:40.25 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: i cleared cache and cookies |
| 21:40.34 | OUTsider | fnstudio_, same issue in other browser ? |
| 21:41.02 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: all fine on chromium |
| 21:41.22 | OUTsider | so it might be engine related... |
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| 21:41.38 | donpi | Hi everyone, I've an USB WiFi adapter using an RT5372 chipset (according the seller). Now, because the ID Vendor and Product are not in the Driver Firmware list (https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb), how can I add the ID Vendor and Product of my USB to the list so that when I plug the USB it uses the driver rt2800? Thanks in advance |
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| 21:41.49 | OUTsider | iceweasel has a load of dependancies.... |
| 21:42.01 | mtn | fnstudio_, rename your .mozilla folder. then start iceweasel and see how it is |
| 21:42.05 | OUTsider | otherwise a reinstall of iceweasel might be something to try |
| 21:42.30 | OUTsider | or factory reset which gets done with mtn's suggestion |
| 21:42.44 | fnstudio_ | mtn OUTsider: good, let me try getting rid of the `.mozilla` folder first |
| 21:42.51 | OUTsider | rename it |
| 21:42.56 | OUTsider | don't delete :) |
| 21:43.28 | OUTsider | unless you don't care about it's contents |
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| 21:44.16 | fnstudio_ | mtn OUTsider: wow, same issue :( |
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| 21:44.23 | OUTsider | holiday, how can you be 100% sure it's not? |
| 21:44.43 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: (yes, i just moved it, thanks! :)) |
| 21:44.49 | holiday | OUTsider: you're not helping |
| 21:45.07 | OUTsider | you might feel this way, but actually i am |
| 21:45.19 | OUTsider | which chipset ? |
| 21:45.56 | holiday | OUTsider: HDA Intel PCH |
| 21:46.15 | OUTsider | back in the days i used to do helldesk for compaq, and I did have clients who forgot to plugin the powersocket |
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| 21:46.20 | mtn | holiday, have you tried using pavucontrol to change devices, set sound levels, etc.? |
| 21:46.30 | fnstudio_ | mtn OUTsider: fwiw, all iceweasel versions from testing to experimental are affected; playing videos on stable doesn't cause a crash, but i only get the audio, no video... |
| 21:46.36 | OUTsider | hence why i ask (what you consider them at least) these 'stupid' questions |
| 21:46.55 | mtn | fnstudio_, have you tried the backport version? |
| 21:47.08 | holiday | mtn: I've tried to change devices and sound levels in alsa |
| 21:47.10 | mtn | fnstudio_, oh, you are not on stable, is that it? |
| 21:47.11 | Kathgrar | Hmm, it seems that I will avoid Windows from now ... forgot my dual boot issues/questions ;) |
| 21:47.16 | Kathgrar | * forget |
| 21:47.16 | holiday | mtn: alsamixer* |
| 21:47.20 | unborn | mtn, as you said bank holiday so - no we not wasted out time :) |
| 21:47.21 | mtn | holiday, not what I asked ;) |
| 21:47.35 | fnstudio_ | mtn: nope, i haven't - in which way is that different from installing the package from, say, testing? |
| 21:47.52 | fnstudio_ | mtn: no, i'm not on stable |
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| 21:48.01 | mtn | fnstudio_, it is designed to work with stable, which is what backports is for ;) |
| 21:48.14 | fnstudio_ | mtn: yeah, i see |
| 21:48.24 | fnstudio_ | mtn: sure, now i remember |
| 21:48.26 | unborn | Katharsis, love windows - its money :) regards dual boot - forget it.. save your self time.. |
| 21:48.27 | OUTsider | holiday, do you have options snd-hda-intel model=pch position_fix=1 in your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 21:48.58 | Kathgrar | unborn: If you don't your money anymore, buy Windows :D (This seems to be off-topic) |
| 21:49.06 | Kathgrar | +want |
| 21:49.55 | holiday | mtn: I have a problem with beep, alsamixer shows that it is at 0, but it my computer is still able to make a beep noise when backspacing in a terminal |
| 21:50.13 | mtn | holiday, are you using a de, like gnome? |
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| 21:50.37 | holiday | mtn: no I have a net install of debian i3, I have to go, but thanks for showing me pavucontrol |
| 21:50.52 | unborn | Kathgrar, thank you for your notice after those all years.. sure.. I will stay dev opensource and translating code to other languages.. if you feel off topic sure, there is off topic channel too.. but - lets talk about your issues and not windows.. coolio? |
| 21:51.27 | Kathgrar | unborn: It was only a comment, calm down ;) |
| 21:52.45 | unborn | Kathgrar, Im calm as ice.. dont worry if you did not understand me, english is not my fist language and not last of the languages I speak.. again.. lets go back to your issue meh |
| 21:52.55 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> InteractiveBastille |
| 21:52.55 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> defined(%hash) is deprecated at /usr/lib/Bastille/HP_API.pm line 100. |
| 21:52.58 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) |
| 21:53.01 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> defined(%hash) is deprecated at /usr/lib/Bastille/API.pm line 1286. |
| 21:53.03 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> (Maybe you should just omit the defined()?) |
| 21:53.06 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
| 21:53.09 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> NOTE: Valid display found; defaulting to Tk (X) interface. |
| 21:53.10 | unborn | Kathgrar, its all cool just shoot the question |
| 21:53.11 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> NOTE: Using Tk user interface module. |
| 21:53.14 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> NOTE: Only displaying questions relevant to the current configuration. |
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| 21:53.17 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> NOTE: Bastille is scanning the system configuration... |
| 21:53.19 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> NOTE: Existing config file found. Populating answers... |
| 21:53.22 | haikur | 17:52 < haikur> |
| 21:53.24 | haikur | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.28 | haikur | on old wheezy |
| 21:53.30 | haikur | new wheezy it just errors out when I trie to save |
| 21:53.35 | Kathgrar | unborn: Yeah, mine isn't good too. I don't want a dual boot anymore ... as I already said, let's forget my questions and issues ;) |
| 21:53.38 | unborn | haikur, please use paste bin for that old git thingy :) |
| 21:54.10 | haikur | unborn: they don't let canadians post |
| 21:54.30 | OUTsider | then use one of the many others :) |
| 21:54.38 | unborn | Kathgrar, its simple.. just delete your windows part, with gparted and then expand your home partition to rest of the free space.. update grub and you are sorted :) |
| 21:55.07 | Kathgrar | unborn: already done. |
| 21:55.08 | OUTsider | anyways, bedtime! |
| 21:55.20 | unborn | haikur, I think that must be some mistake or misunderstanding meh |
| 21:55.45 | unborn | Kathgrar, sure so you have no problem then - I am sorry :) |
| 21:55.47 | fnstudio_ | OUTsider: thanks for your tips |
| 21:55.53 | OUTsider | yw |
| 21:57.02 | Kathgrar | unborn: no problem :) |
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| 21:58.34 | unborn | Kathgrar, i just tried to help but you are the first kind ive seen here with this attitude - you re handling two way thinking very well :) - my white hat down to you |
| 21:58.49 | unborn | Kathgrar, have good day / night |
| 21:59.21 | unborn | nods Kathgrar |
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| 21:59.45 | Kathgrar | unborn: Thanks, have a nice day/night too ;) |
| 22:00.21 | unborn | - okay anyone regards apache 2.4 and virtualmin ? :) |
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| 22:01.42 | Kathgrar | I've used Virtualmin some years ago |
| 22:02.00 | fnstudio_ | out of curiosity, why iceweasel-dbg is so big? a ~150MB .deb resulting in approx hundreths of MB when installed |
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| 22:02.46 | Kathgrar | fnstudio_: '-dbg' means this is a debug build |
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| 22:03.27 | haikur | bastille-linux works FINE with linux 3.0 |
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| 22:03.29 | fnstudio_ | Kathgrar: ah i think i see, tx |
| 22:03.36 | haikur | why did you remove it from debian? |
| 22:03.44 | haikur | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=117743 |
| 22:03.50 | haikur | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718783 |
| 22:03.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/718783 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: bastille -- RoQA; RC bugs, not working, unmaintained»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-08-05; last modified: 2013-09-10. |
| 22:03.52 | Kathgrar | fnstudio_: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/iceweasel-dbg |
| 22:03.54 | haikur | complete bullshit!!! |
| 22:04.09 | haikur | bastille-linux works with linux 3x fine, I use it now |
| 22:04.29 | jhutchins | haikur: So you want a program that's meant to run on a different system to run on your system and make changes that will probably break things. |
| 22:04.38 | jhutchins | ,v bastille |
| 22:04.39 | judd | No package named 'bastille' was found in amd64. |
| 22:04.49 | jhutchins | There's a reason for that. |
| 22:04.54 | haikur | jhutchins: how long have you been using debian? |
| 22:04.55 | Kathgrar | ,help |
| 22:04.56 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 22:04.57 | haikur | tell me? |
| 22:05.05 | haikur | I've been using debian since 2002 or so |
| 22:05.10 | jhutchins | haikur: About six releases. |
| 22:05.19 | haikur | bastille-linux has ALWAYS ALWAYS worked with debian |
| 22:05.26 | haikur | and on this early-wheezy debian I'm using now |
| 22:05.31 | haikur | IT STILL WORKS |
| 22:05.38 | haikur | that bug report was BULLSHIT |
| 22:05.43 | jhutchins | haikur: You wouldn't run McAffee on Debian either. |
| 22:05.47 | haikur | and you CUCKS removed a great security tool |
| 22:05.58 | haikur | jhutchins: I USE BASTILLE WITH DEBIAN YOU FUCK |
| 22:06.00 | Kathgrar | haikur: language, please |
| 22:06.10 | haikur | BASTILLE IS WRITEN FOR DEBIAN |
| 22:06.11 | haikur | BASTILLE IS WRITEN FOR DEBIAN |
| 22:06.16 | jhutchins | haikur: Then why isn't t in the repositories? BECAUSE IT"S NOT COMPATIBLE. |
| 22:06.22 | Kathgrar | haikur: language, please + don't spam, please |
| 22:06.24 | haikur | jhutchins: that is BULLSHIT |
| 22:06.30 | haikur | it is a lie, the bugreport |
| 22:06.34 | haikur | it works fucking fine |
| 22:06.35 | haikur | it is a lie, the bugreport |
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| 22:06.50 | Kathgrar | solved. Yay! |
| 22:06.53 | haikur | you fucking idiots, so enamored with poetterings dick |
| 22:07.17 | Kathgrar | haikur: Then respons to the bug report and correct it ;) |
| 22:07.21 | haikur | < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
| 22:07.22 | Kathgrar | * respond |
| 22:07.24 | haikur | < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
| 22:07.27 | haikur | < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
| 22:07.30 | haikur | hmm looks like they support DEBIAN |
| 22:07.31 | haikur | < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
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| 22:07.38 | haikur | < haikur> ERROR: System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 5.0. |
| 22:07.52 | haikur | (btw works fine on the "unstable" Debian system) |
| 22:07.58 | frostschutz | .oO(how does one call for ops in here) |
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| 22:08.02 | haikur | (early wheezy that doesn't know it's old-stable now) |
| 22:08.06 | haikur | (not systemd SHIT) |
| 22:08.13 | haikur | fucking people ruining linux |
| 22:08.17 | haikur | and that bug is bullshit |
| 22:08.20 | Kathgrar | haikur: install SysVInit manually you're done!! |
| 22:08.33 | haikur | bastille-linux works fine on 3.0 linux (kernel) |
| 22:08.39 | haikur | fucking cucks |
| 22:08.50 | haikur | fucking worthless piece of shit pro-systemDick cucks |
| 22:09.00 | jhutchins | !ops haikur has an attitude and language problem. |
| 22:09.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jhutchins complains about: haikur has an attitude and language problem. |
| 22:09.01 | haikur | you people try your hardest to destroy the security of the system |
| 22:09.03 | Kathgrar | ( Kathgrar will now ignore haikur ) |
| 22:09.13 | haikur | whatever we were "allowed" to have |
| 22:09.13 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@cpe-67-253-99-47.maine.res.rr.com] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.30 | LoRez | That's quite enough. |
| 22:09.37 | jhutchins | haikur: Make the change yourself. Actually learn something about security. |
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| 22:10.06 | Kathgrar | gives haikur a DUDEN |
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| 22:11.42 | fnstudio_ | ok, i generated a crash report for my iceweasel |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | Hi all, I've got an interesting problem with my login through SSH: |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | man passwd says this: |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.51 | Ghostbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:11.59 | fnstudio_ | it looks i am in these exact situation: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788708#20 |
| 22:12.01 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/788708 in iceweasel (open): «iceweasel: GStreamer causes segmentation fault»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-06-14; last modified: 2015-08-21. |
| 22:12.33 | Kathgrar | Hmm, haikur is now spamming me in query :( |
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| 22:13.16 | Ghostbird | https://paste.debian.net/309882/ |
| 22:14.56 | LoRez | Kathgrar: use /umode +g (IIRC) |
| 22:15.08 | Kathgrar | LoRez: Thanks ;) |
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| 22:16.28 | jhutchins | Kathgrar: You may want to turn that back off after a while. |
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| 22:16.59 | Kathgrar | Yup |
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| 22:17.41 | jhutchins | Trusting a program you don't understand to configure your system's security seems naieve. |
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| 22:22.33 | Ghostbird | Does anyone know why SSH does not permit public-key authentication on an account with a locked password? Man passwd says it should. |
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| 22:23.19 | phy1729 | do you have UsePAM yes? |
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| 22:27.05 | xreal | systemd is bad bad bad. bad support, bad irc channel :-( |
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| 22:29.35 | Kathgrar | Cause the peoples don't know or want to know how to use it. |
| 22:29.45 | Kathgrar | +don't |
| 22:31.13 | Ghostbird | phy1729: Yes, UsePAM is set to yes, but I don't understand what it means. Should I disable it? |
| 22:31.53 | phy1729 | try with no, but make sure you have a su'd up session on the box first |
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| 22:32.53 | Ghostbird | I'm setting it up for the second user, so the other session is unaffected. I've had my share of learning not to lock myself out. |
| 22:33.28 | cognitios | Hi, I just set up a VPN using a digital ocean server on debian using this script https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install , the scrip executed without error however my IP address still appears to be the one it usually is. How can i connect to the VPN? |
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| 22:35.41 | Ghostbird | phy1729: Odd... sudo service ssh reload doesn't seem to work. |
| 22:36.17 | phy1729 | personally I've always done a restart (established sessions don't drop) |
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| 22:36.49 | Ghostbird | phy1729: restart, force-reload didn't work. |
| 22:37.00 | Ghostbird | phy1729: try-restart worked |
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| 22:40.41 | Ghostbird | However UsePAM no did not solve the issue :( |
| 22:41.38 | Xenthys | Ghostbird: what are saying sshd logs? |
| 22:41.42 | phy1729 | I'd ask #openssh then |
| 22:42.23 | Ghostbird | #openssh is a good idea. I've just issued a reboot, and will look at the logs if things still don't work. |
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| 22:49.15 | beaky | hello |
| 22:49.19 | beaky | where can i view iptables log |
| 22:49.41 | beaky | ive checked dmesg, syslog, journalctl, messages but nothing :( |
| 22:50.11 | markybob | beaky, how long did you google this for? iptables log in google is the first response |
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| 22:50.41 | Ghostbird | Xenthys: Can't find the sshd logs. I guess I'll ask on #openssh |
| 22:50.44 | beaky | i get 'bad argument log' |
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| 22:53.06 | markybob | beaky, -j LOG |
| 22:53.32 | markybob | beaky, with -A LOGGING |
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| 22:58.44 | beaky | btw do i need to run systemd-journal and rsyslogd together |
| 22:58.49 | beaky | or can i run just systemd |
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| 23:12.42 | Atm0spher1c | I have a separate boot partition. When I select the system at grub screen, I get error: file /boot/vmlinuz-4.1.0-2-amd64 not found - you need to load kernel first |
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| 23:12.52 | Atm0spher1c | the kernel is there, why isn't it loading? |
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| 23:13.41 | ryouma | what are the main spreadsheets in debian? i am guessing libre and gnumeric? which is used more / best-supported / generally admired? |
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| 23:14.18 | ryouma | most stable / most likely to be used in 10y |
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| 23:15.23 | nodus | Atm0spher1c: paste your grub config |
| 23:15.31 | nodus | not here, use the paste thing |
| 23:16.00 | Atm0spher1c | of course |
| 23:16.28 | nodus | i just wanted to make sure i didnt tell you, directly, to do something you shouldnt |
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| 23:16.33 | julius_ | hi |
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| 23:17.47 | julius_ | im compiling the android sdk from source since the debian packages are a work in progress, got this error while compiling: 4.6/../../../../arm-linux-androideabi/bin/as: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory but zlib1g is installed and lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 27 2014 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.2.8 exists. is there a reason that |
| 23:17.47 | julius_ | running make as a user would not look for it there? |
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| 23:20.36 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: bit of warning, it's quite complex. Which is probably why this isn't working. |
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| 23:21.13 | gissi | julius_: I might be wrong but I guess it is looking for the "arm-linux-androidebi" version of the libz |
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| 23:22.42 | nodus | Atm0spher1c: i still have nightmares about lilo |
| 23:22.45 | gissi | "as" is tring to link the files together but not finding any libz for the target architecture... are you cross-compiling android/ |
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| 23:26.00 | gissi | julius_: Nevermind, "as" itself cannot run, it isn't the cross-compilation |
| 23:26.40 | gissi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.45 | gissi | This should help |
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| 23:29.36 | julius_ | ah |
| 23:29.36 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: took a bit, pastebinit isn't working. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/49bc20b9/ |
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| 23:29.57 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: at the bottom under 30 os prober |
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| 23:32.42 | Atm0spher1c | im using lvm with separate root home tmp var swap partitions. I setup sidroot sidhome sidvar as well, and bootstrapped a sid install doing all the mount bind and what not. I can't get it to see that kernel even though it's there. |
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| 23:33.48 | phale | hello ive been here at least 12 times before. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124413 << I asked the forums about some issue and now im waiting. was wondering if theres anyone here who could help with these network-related issues? |
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| 23:37.25 | nodus | Atm0spher1c: which entry are you using? |
| 23:37.40 | julius_ | gissi, apt-get install --yes lib32z1 lib32stdc++6 <- that did the trick, at least the install script now says "all done" |
| 23:37.49 | julius_ | but those names do not sound like arm? |
| 23:39.04 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: strech/sid entry under ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### |
| 23:39.42 | telmac | this is maybe a weird question, is there a lightweight piece of software meant for printing pdfs |
| 23:40.03 | nodus | it looks like you installed twice on top of it self on diffrent drives, is this intended? |
| 23:40.07 | telmac | chrome is really bad at viewing and just as well at printing pdfs |
| 23:40.28 | telmac | like wrong fonts, screwing up margins, kerning, etc |
| 23:40.55 | telmac | and I don't want to go and install libreoffice or whatever |
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| 23:41.16 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: I did a debootstrap install and install from chroot after mounting the boot partition |
| 23:41.37 | Atm0spher1c | i want to be able to boot into the new system |
| 23:41.39 | mtn | telmac, there are several pdf readers in the repos. gnome comes with one by default |
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| 23:42.17 | nodus | ah, yeah. |
| 23:43.02 | nodus | so your verifying that /boot has your kernel in it how? |
| 23:43.20 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: ls |
| 23:43.24 | Atm0spher1c | lol, any other way? |
| 23:43.27 | nodus | because it looks like you should have two seperate /boots, and i want to make sure your looking at the right one |
| 23:43.29 | nodus | sure |
| 23:43.31 | nodus | but |
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| 23:43.50 | Atm0spher1c | should I make another boot partition? how will grub work then? |
| 23:43.51 | nodus | are you mounting the right /boot |
| 23:43.56 | Atm0spher1c | yes |
| 23:44.14 | nodus | so you think that this shares the same /boot |
| 23:44.15 | Atm0spher1c | of course, it has the stable kernel installed there and rub |
| 23:44.20 | Atm0spher1c | yes |
| 23:44.21 | nodus | and the top one boots and the second one doesnt |
| 23:44.23 | nodus | ok |
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| 23:44.56 | Atm0spher1c | well the stable install with 3.16 kernel boots, the 4.1 doesn't on stable as i expect but it doesn't boot on the sid install as well |
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| 23:46.35 | telmac | mtn: like one that isn't huge and won't go and grab all of gnome |
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| 23:47.08 | mtn | telmac, I don't see why any pdf reader would need all of gnome or kde or whatever |
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| 23:47.39 | telmac | well for example the default one for gnome iirc does |
| 23:47.48 | nodus | Atm0spher1c: delete '/boot/' in your grub config on line 226 and 227 |
| 23:47.52 | mtn | telmac, really? I doubt that very much |
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| 23:48.09 | nodus | Atm0spher1c: i think that it is looking in /boot/boot/ which doesnt exist |
| 23:48.23 | telmac | perhaps I am mistaken |
| 23:48.30 | boxatom | Debian seems to have a big problem with bootingâ¦. |
| 23:48.31 | gissi | julius_: Yep, seems like the SDK has a 32bit version of the executables instead of 64 so it looks for 32bits libs whcih you just installed |
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| 23:48.40 | telmac | anyway I found actually that the one I use can print so neverminda |
| 23:48.43 | mtn | telmac, why don't you try and see? |
| 23:48.46 | nodus | boxatom: only when you do wierd stuff |
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| 23:49.06 | julius_ | gissi, the whole sdk is labeled with x86_64....somebody fucked that up |
| 23:49.08 | Atm0spher1c | nodus: would you look at that? Second pair of eyes really helps. Looks to be right. Let's try |
| 23:49.12 | boxatom | I am having issues with booting⦠i didnt try anything wierd, just install it :D |
| 23:49.31 | boxatom | well I have tryied everything... |
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| 23:49.37 | boxatom | so its getting wierd |
| 23:49.55 | mtn | "everything" :P |
| 23:50.13 | nodus | boxatom: symptoms? What kind of machine? |
| 23:50.26 | boxatom | its a satelite toshiba |
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| 23:50.46 | boxatom | fedora installed properly, so did open suse, but what i want is debian |
| 23:51.18 | nodus | boxatom: be specific, they have called everything from 1995 on a satelite |
| 23:51.20 | boxatom | even ubuntu installed properly |
| 23:51.24 | gissi | julius_: Google should put a note on the 64bits download page ;) |
| 23:51.28 | boxatom | oh wow, i just bought it :D |
| 23:51.30 | telmac | mtn: all right well evince doesn't go and grab all of gnome but 30mb is too much for just a pdf reader |
| 23:51.42 | julius_ | crap, the python for android project is registered as a group at google (python-android@googlegroups.com) how do you register for such a group? just sending a empty email tells me that im not allowed to post |
| 23:51.45 | boxatom | it comes with windows 10⦠but i deleted windows 10 |
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| 23:51.58 | nodus | boxatom: sounds like uefi stuff |
| 23:52.01 | d3co | :) |
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| 23:52.44 | boxatom | its showing a screen that saysâ¦. reboot and select proper boot deviceâ¦â¦ then if i put super grubâ¦. i can get to the debian installation from thereâ¦. |
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| 23:52.58 | C1z | Hi i have a problem, I have a server with Debian wheezy and when I mount a hard drive does not show any files in the mount point, help me please |
| 23:53.04 | julius_ | boxatom, none of the distributions you mentioned are bad, in fact for the "i just come from windows" (maybe you, maybe not) user they are a bit better then debian....a bit more accessible |
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| 23:53.44 | nodus | boxatom: "i put super grubâ¦" specificly, what are you doing. Using a usb stick? |
| 23:53.45 | boxatom | well, I lke from debian that the touch works properlyâ¦. |
| 23:53.53 | boxatom | yes usb stick |
| 23:54.17 | nodus | ah, have you configured the bios to boot from the proper device? |
| 23:54.34 | nodus | it may default to the windows uefi bootloader and usb and never try your hard drive |
| 23:54.53 | boxatom | it goes to the Hdd, |
| 23:54.57 | boxatom | then the usb⦠|
| 23:54.59 | C1z | Help me please |
| 23:55.18 | julius_ | boxatom, are you sure you told debian to install grub to the right device? |
| 23:55.34 | WednesdayFin | boxatom, replace synaptic drivers with debian drivers |
| 23:55.48 | WednesdayFin | to get touchpad working |
| 23:55.56 | julius_ | C1z, surprise us, how do you mount it? do you type in a command? |
| 23:56.19 | julius_ | C1z, or you could send the channel a check for 100 and we will read your mind |
| 23:56.43 | at0m | dpkg: tell C1z about anyone |
| 23:57.14 | julius_ | dpkg: tell julius_ about anyone |
| 23:57.22 | boxatom | julius_: not sure its on the right device, since its not bootingâ¦. im new in linuxâ¦. i guess i told it to go to sda⦠|
| 23:57.29 | at0m | dpkg: tell julius_ about self |
| 23:58.00 | julius_ | at0m, that did not work |
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| 23:58.22 | julius_ | boxatom, well...the painless solution is to call your local linux guru |
| 23:58.22 | C1z | Yes, but only one problem, I type "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/Storage" seems all right, I'm going to do "ls" on the Storage folder and there is nothing |
| 23:58.36 | julius_ | no error? |
| 23:58.43 | nodus | boxatom: sda could easily have been your usb stick. |
| 23:59.10 | boxatom | it might be because of encryption,⦠but the thing that gets me thinking is⦠why can super grub make it load⦠even with the encryption.. |
| 23:59.15 | nodus | boxatom: when you boot the usb stick, do you get the same message you used to? |
| 23:59.15 | C1z | no error |
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| 23:59.40 | julius_ | C1z, and you do ls /mnt/Storage ? |
| 23:59.42 | boxatom | with the usb stick.. super grub⦠i get to the system |
| 23:59.53 | boxatom | i see gnome |
