| 00:00.18 | pron | also i am not sure what modules should be included by default, cause for that grub rescue looked prety unusable tbj |
| 00:00.20 | pron | tbh* |
| 00:01.02 | jmcnaught | pron: maybe this will help you? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
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| 00:04.07 | pron | jmcnaught: screw separate /boot |
| 00:04.20 | pron | looks up what year is now |
| 00:05.11 | pron | also it _should_ work without separate /boot as i understand from docs |
| 00:05.56 | pron | and imo i had before something like this somehwere |
| 00:06.06 | jmcnaught | pron: the page i just linked you do is about this exactly, not having separate boot. it is probably better to have a separate LV for /boot, but in this page /boot is on the LVM. |
| 00:06.16 | jmcnaught | s/do/to/ |
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| 00:06.46 | pron | jmcnaught: did you read tru it?:D |
| 00:06.57 | pron | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=01.gif |
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| 00:08.25 | shay_shay | in ls -al: i see a file with these permissions: prw------- |
| 00:08.35 | shay_shay | wth is p? |
| 00:09.19 | shay_shay | oh FIFO |
| 00:09.34 | jmcnaught | pron: this is the screenshot when they finish partitioning, right before installing grub. Nothing is used as /boot: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=17.gif |
| 00:09.41 | shay_shay | i guess p stands for pipe :) |
| 00:10.04 | jmcnaught | pron: also the first sentence of the wiki article? maybe you just need to read instructions more closely? :P |
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| 00:11.29 | pron | jmcnaught: wich one? |
| 00:11.38 | pron | that lenny + shoulda work md+lvm? |
| 00:12.25 | jmcnaught | pron: "Lenny (5.0) and later support having the root and /boot partition on RAID volume. Actually, you can have root on RAID1+LVM partition. This page contains some screenshots to demonstrate it, and applies to Debian 5.0 through, at least, 8.0." |
| 00:12.35 | pron | yeh |
| 00:13.04 | pron | did i say smth opposite? |
| 00:13.47 | jmcnaught | pron: you seemed to be thinking that these instructions included a separate /boot partition, i was trying to explain that they do not. |
| 00:13.53 | pron | why he has 255 megabyte ext3 parition |
| 00:13.54 | pron | ;/ |
| 00:14.01 | pron | it is confusing |
| 00:14.58 | pron | it looks liek intentionaly left partition to confuse ppl |
| 00:15.00 | pron | :/ |
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| 00:15.30 | pron | i gona take !!!! guess what |
| 00:15.32 | pron | wheezy install |
| 00:15.40 | pron | lets see |
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| 00:26.09 | pron | jmcnaught: anyways that didnt help =) |
| 00:26.29 | pron | but just removed everything that can mess up |
| 00:26.34 | pron | and try to install fresh copy |
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| 00:30.03 | shay_shay | i dont even keep a seperate /boot partition on my raid 10 |
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| 00:38.25 | markybob | sometimes /boot makes sense. i use it. *shrug* |
| 00:39.27 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.35 | shay_shay | never show your weakness |
| 00:40.10 | markybob | okay. hard to argue with that logic |
| 00:40.14 | shay_shay | :D |
| 00:41.39 | pron | =)) |
| 00:41.57 | dvs | ;-| |
| 00:42.23 | pron | if it needs separate /boot , its not reay for production :> |
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| 00:52.24 | jmcnaught | pron: out of curiousity i am following that SoftwareRaidRoot guide from the wiki in a VM. I am not making the extra unused ext3 partitions, and I am doing it with RAID5 instead of RAID1, on 4 disks. |
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| 00:53.04 | pron | jmcnaught: i am reinstalling too now |
| 00:53.47 | jmcnaught | pron: if it doesn't work again for you, please share with us the choices you have made in as much detail as you can, using http://paste.debian.net if necessary |
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| 00:56.16 | linda8y | hola |
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| 00:56.40 | pron | jmcnaught: if it wont work i will try to check out ways how to clean the disks before i try next time |
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| 01:21.00 | CooloutAC | systemctl disable chronyd doesn't work |
| 01:21.48 | pron | jmcnaught: does your installation boot? |
| 01:22.15 | jmcnaught | pron: it's 4 virtual disks on a laptop HDD, still going |
| 01:22.23 | pron | ah i see |
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| 01:23.18 | pron | jmcnaught: shoulda make small 1-2G disks :P |
| 01:23.38 | CooloutAC | does systemd make it so you can't disable chronyd? |
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| 01:24.37 | jmcnaught | pron: yes it just finished and booted |
| 01:24.45 | pron | fuu |
| 01:24.47 | pron | :/ |
| 01:24.59 | pron | whyyyyy |
| 01:25.01 | pron | screams |
| 01:25.05 | pron | jmcnaught: idk about mine tho |
| 01:25.19 | pron | shoulda be rdy soon |
| 01:25.22 | pron | lets see then |
| 01:26.01 | pron | it can be some decision making of software |
| 01:26.06 | pron | to make it "safe" |
| 01:26.08 | pron | ;/ |
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| 01:28.44 | jmcnaught | pron: after first boot i ran "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and used the menu to install grub on all 4 disks, rebooted, and it worked just fine. |
| 01:28.58 | pron | well |
| 01:29.05 | pron | i cant get first boot |
| 01:29.07 | pron | :D |
| 01:29.21 | pron | lets see |
| 01:29.24 | pron | installing grub |
| 01:30.47 | jmcnaught | pron: so it's either 1. the grub that is loading on boot is an old grub from some other install, not from the first one. or 2. you're making a mistake somewhere, but it's not clear to anyone here what it might be. maybe if you provide details of each choice you make and how you configure raid and lvm in the installer someone here might notice |
| 01:31.02 | markybob | and you two were lecturing me about my install method... :P |
| 01:31.19 | jmcnaught | was i? |
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| 01:31.58 | pron | jmcnaught: there shouldnt be other, old grub |
| 01:32.00 | pron | :] |
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| 01:32.31 | pron | butyeh il check otjer day have to wake up soon to work |
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| 01:33.16 | pron | jmcnaught: can u give me something liek fdisk -l |
| 01:33.17 | jmcnaught | pron: good luck, the more details you can provide the more likely someone will be willing/able to help you. but the setup you're looking for does work from the debian-installer |
| 01:33.40 | pron | jmcnaught: there isnt much to say |
| 01:33.46 | pron | it was raid 5 for 6y |
| 01:34.11 | pron | there wasnt any other grubs on those hard rives before |
| 01:34.12 | pron | system was on cf , then on usb |
| 01:34.14 | pron | :] |
| 01:34.24 | pron | but that speed makes me sick |
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| 01:35.09 | pron | jmcnaught: when u installed your version , at software choise what did you choose? |
| 01:35.15 | pron | i unchecked eveything |
| 01:35.21 | pron | even minimal system stuff |
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| 01:35.30 | pron | cause most of it i dont need |
| 01:36.24 | pron | jmcnaught: also , can you give me lsmod from grub shell? |
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| 01:36.36 | pron | or i can do it on my own tomoz |
| 01:37.44 | pron | jmcnaught: if you can throw any of that info to priv msg, it would be appreciated |
| 01:37.48 | jmcnaught | pron: the VM is gone. in tasksel i installed standard system utils. |
| 01:37.50 | pron | i am goinsleep now |
| 01:38.00 | pron | it shouldnt affect |
| 01:38.03 | pron | but il check tomoz |
| 01:38.07 | pron | on virtual mashines |
| 01:38.09 | pron | how it looks |
| 01:38.31 | pron | thx for your effort, cya =) |
| 01:38.41 | pron | il try to report back when i sort out wtf is goin on |
| 01:38.49 | pron | propably some stupid mistake ^^ |
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| 01:50.55 | jmcnaught | pron: yeah it's probably something simple, that's why i recommend you give a detailed explanation of how you have configured it. if you just say "it still doesn't work and i tried a bunch of stuff", all anyone can do is make random suggestions which aren't really helpful. anyways good luck and good night |
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| 02:32.45 | ecbrown | hi all, i am using debian testing on amd64. i see that a package `libproxy-tools' has been held back. how would i go about investigating why a package is held back? (rather than this specific case) |
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| 03:10.10 | johnnny | hi |
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| 03:10.58 | johnnny | i installed debian for the first time and im having some trouble |
| 03:11.05 | johnnny | could someone helpp me out? |
| 03:11.31 | johnnny | i posted this on subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3jt7ip/installing_debian_for_first_time_need_some_help/ but im still having issues |
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| 03:15.26 | jmcnaught | johnnny: in that post you have a problem with no EFI system partition, and there is a comment from valgrid that is pretty detailed. maybe you could tell us a little more about what you're having trouble with? |
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| 03:16.53 | johnnny | jmnaught....i tried tasksel but the only that comes up is desktop enviroment, i select that option but then i get apt-get failed (100) |
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| 03:20.08 | johnnny | i even typed this in "lspci | grep Net " but nothing happends |
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| 03:20.31 | dvs | johnnny: a) it's "net" not "Net" |
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| 03:23.38 | johnnny | yea i typed it as net and it says "command not found" |
| 03:23.54 | dvs | johnnny: you typed it wrong |
| 03:24.08 | johnnny | this is what i typed 1spci | grep net |
| 03:24.20 | johnnny | in root mode |
| 03:25.14 | dvs | johnnny: the first character is a lowercase L, not a one, almost like the command you entered before. |
| 03:25.41 | johnnny | oh ok |
| 03:26.01 | johnnny | now it worked it just states that i have a an ethernet connection |
| 03:26.44 | dvs | johnnny: is that how you are connected to the Internet? |
| 03:27.19 | johnnny | yea my the wifi doesnt work becasue the package is not installed for it, so i have to use a cable |
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| 03:28.01 | dvs | johnnny: So configure the network to use the ethernet cable. |
| 03:29.03 | johnnny | how? ive nvr used debain before so i dont what commanf lines to use |
| 03:29.17 | johnnny | i dont know* |
| 03:29.59 | dvs | johnnny: it's easiest to do it during the install |
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| 03:31.14 | johnnny | yea but i already installed debian so.... |
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| 03:31.44 | johnnny | shud i reinstall it? |
| 03:31.44 | dvs | johnnny: And you've never used an editor.... |
| 03:31.50 | johnnny | no |
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| 03:32.12 | dvs | That's what makes it difficult |
| 03:32.23 | johnnny | yea i noe....im trying to learn |
| 03:32.44 | dvs | That's why it make it easier to just reinstall it. |
| 03:32.52 | johnnny | ok |
| 03:33.29 | johnnny | how would i reinstall if i already have partitioned my disk> |
| 03:33.32 | johnnny | ?* |
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| 03:34.24 | johnnny | cuz im assuming i have to go through the entire process again? |
| 03:34.34 | dvs | yup |
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| 03:36.39 | johnnny | so would i have parition my disk again? |
| 03:37.45 | pksadiq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.10 | xedot | super newbie question here, but seein as im new to linux it seems appropriate.....i just downloaded the .deb file for the irssi scripts. how do unpack/install to the /irssi/scripts folder |
| 03:45.10 | jmcnaught | xedot: with Debian you don't download the package files manually, you use apt-get to install the package and it fetches the .deb file from a mirror, unpacks and configures it |
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| 03:46.56 | jmcnaught | xedot: so for irssi-scripts you could do "apt-get install irssi-scripts" and it will be installed on the system. in this particular case the scripts end up in /usr/share/irssi/scripts but in general you can see where packages have put their files with a command like "dpkg -L irssi-scripts" |
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| 03:56.16 | jmcnaught | pksadiq: it does the same for me, it's probably just that the magic file got improved. also please don't post the same question on both networks at the same time :) |
| 03:57.50 | pksadiq | jmcnaught: I don't think so. I just searched for some encrypted file over the net (eg: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/~checkout~/pkgsrc/security/netpgpverify/files/data.gpg?rev=1.2&content-type=text/plain). And its informed as `data' file. But I couldn't confirm it. |
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| 04:00.17 | xedot | F'jmcnaught: how do the packages know what folders to install themselves to? |
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| 04:00.49 | pksadiq | jmcnaught: OK! You are right. I tried opened my locker. Got some really old backups, giving me the same results. So file's magic is performing better. :-) |
| 04:01.41 | jmcnaught | xedot: it's defined in the package, and debian packages adhere to a filesystem hierarchy standard. Here is a wiki page with what the different directories are for: https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard |
| 04:03.31 | jmcnaught | pksadiq: cool. not sure what the difference is with that data.gpg you linked to though |
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| 04:06.25 | MethylatorX | hey, where is the torrent for 8.2 ? |
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| 04:09.14 | leahcim | Hi, quick question. If I have a squeeze-lts machine with wheexzy sources (and a suitable apt_preferences entry), do I really need to install the jessie apt key (eg. via wheezy's debian-archive-keyring) if I wish to suppress the multiple "There is no public key available for the following key IDs" errors? |
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| 04:09.43 | layman | hi |
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| 04:10.19 | jmcnaught | xedot: i use irssi and irssi-scripts on Debian. The reason I use the Debian package instead of downloading the scripts manually is because I want to benefit from any potential updates Debian might provide for those scripts. To get irssi to run them automatically, i create symlinks of scripts I want to use in my ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ |
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| 04:11.26 | xedot | F'jmcnaught: awesome, thanks so much!! |
| 04:11.36 | xedot | ok whoa, may need some help doin that |
| 04:12.17 | xedot | but if they already get installed to /scripts/ folder why would we need to do that? |
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| 04:12.48 | xedot | brb |
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| 04:19.50 | MethylatorX | where is debians dvd links? |
| 04:20.10 | MethylatorX | the official website shows 404 error always |
| 04:21.28 | somiaj | MethylatorX: replace 8-2 with 8-1 in the link. The new relese cd's are still being tested and may not be avalaible for a day or two. |
| 04:21.40 | somiaj | MethylatorX: webpage just updated before the cd's were ready |
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| 04:22.50 | jmcnaught | xedot: assuming that your client is still connected. irssi-scripts is a collection of scripts that gets installed to /usr/share/irssi/scripts. You wouldn't want to run all of them, only a few. The ones you do want to use, you want them to autorun when irssi starts. When irssi starts it runs the scripts in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun so you want your selected scripts to also be in that directory. |
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| 04:23.03 | jmcnaught | xedot: You can make your selected scripts exist in your autorun directory (in addition to their true location in /usr/share/irssi/scripts with a symlink, which you can create with a command like this: "ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/hideauth.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/" |
| 04:24.45 | layman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:24.54 | layman | official ISO MethylatorX |
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| 04:28.15 | jmcnaught | leahcim: i'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if apt is telling you that some things can't be verified because of missing keys, you probably need to get that keys. you're not running some sort of squeeze-wheezy-jessie hybrid are you? |
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| 04:58.44 | anton02 | so this guy is doing his presentation and his pen drive contents shows on the overhead https://i.4cdn.org/b/1441598782630.jpg |
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| 05:00.12 | jetscreamer | rofl |
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| 05:03.34 | pragomer1 | does midnight commander have a queue feature? |
| 05:04.39 | darkomenz | does anyone know when this url will become valid: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:05.07 | somiaj | in the next day or two I would imangine. They are testing the cds right now, you can ask in #debian-cd on irc.oftc.net for more info |
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| 05:06.22 | jetscreamer | ok i had to steal that one anton02 and repost. |
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| 05:55.18 | anton02 | apple classic OS file extension type |
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| 06:14.03 | ryouma | i upgraded from wheezy to jessie and i cannot boot it. when i try to boot to the new jessie, it says "lvm is not avialable" every few seconds. i am not using lvm at all. |
| 06:14.14 | ryouma | available* |
| 06:14.14 | chozha | what is mime |
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| 06:14.38 | chozha | ?? system-config-lvm app works properly ? |
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| 06:18.19 | ryouma | i found a bug report that suggested that it might be a bug in cryptsetup fixed in a later cryptsetup, and they closed the bug as wontfixed. but i can't evne boot the machine and jessie presumably only has that one version. |
| 06:18.38 | leahcim | jmcnaught: it's squeeze, with occasional cherry-picking from wheezy. apt complains because wheezy's Release is signed with both the wheezy and jessie keys (see https://paste.debian.net/310610/) |
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| 06:20.09 | leahcim | jmcnaught: https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2015/04/msg00112.html describes the same problem, but it suggests that it was fixed there by no longer signing wheezy releases with jessie's key |
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| 06:25.26 | jmcnaught | leahcim: this problem is a side effect of mixing releases which is not supported. from what i understand, each release gets the next release's signing key added to the keyring distributed by the debian-keyring package. so you're having this problem because you have wheezy sources, but you probably don't have the debian-keyring package from wheezy |
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| 06:27.30 | jmcnaught | leahcim: if you want to use newer versions of packages on a debian release, the best way is to use Debian Backports. If the package isn't in backports you could try and backport it yourself (that is, make a squeeze .deb binary package from the wheezy source package) |
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| 06:29.32 | jmcnaught | ryouma: hey. did the error say "lvm is not available" exactly, or is that paraphrased? can you boot using the rescue mode option in the GRUB menu? |
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| 06:32.36 | ryouma | jmcnaught: it is a very close paraphrase at worst. it most likely either said exactly "lvm is not available" or exactly "cryptsetup: lvm is not available". the only reason i mention the latter however is that it popped up when i did a search. i did not try the rescue mode option recently. in the past it did not work. |
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| 06:33.10 | ryouma | (except that i don't remember if lvm was uppercased) |
| 06:34.40 | ryouma | jmcnaught: (by "in the past" i mean that i tried a month ago or so and had this bug and had to go back to wheezy then, and only just now tried to upgrade to jessie again, hoping that whatever bug had gotten fixed) |
| 06:35.09 | jmcnaught | ryouma: can you try booting into rescue mode now? |
| 06:35.39 | ryouma | jmcnaught: ok, i will try. will log out and return. |
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| 06:37.10 | jmcnaught | ryouma: okay. i guess you don't have another computer available to do IRC and web on? |
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| 06:37.20 | ryouma | jmcnaught: correct |
| 06:38.16 | ryouma | rebooting |
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| 06:47.42 | ryouma | jmcnaught: yes, it is exactly "cryptsetup: lvm is not available". rescue mode did not work. |
| 06:49.01 | ryouma | (grub offered advanced, and a choice of 2 rescue modes, one for 3.16 or so and one for 3.2 or so. normally, i get asked for a pass phrase early. the 3.16 rescue mode went for a bit, and then did lvm is not available. the 3.2 one had issues more complicated to describe but did not work either.) |
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| 06:53.03 | Kuhndoo | hello, I've a problem (actually two) with my debian 8.2 server |
| 06:53.30 | Mario_Vs | ; |
| 06:53.41 | Kuhndoo | first one is that df -h reports that /run/ is full (7.1G 7.1G 208K 100% /run), while "du -sh /run/" reports that only 600MB are in use |
| 06:53.45 | Kuhndoo | how is that possible? |
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| 06:55.57 | jmcnaught | ryouma: you can mount the encrypted debian partition from a different distro that can boot using cryptsetup(8) |
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| 06:56.49 | jmcnaught | ryouma: once you have it mounted you could chroot into it and see if you can find the problem in /etc/crypttab, or maybe you need to fix the initrd |
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| 06:57.00 | hejki | ohai, how can I tell apt to answer "no" to dbconfig-common in an unattended installation? noninteractive frontend doesn't seem to do that for rsyslog-pgsql -package |
| 06:57.14 | ryouma | jmcnaught: i am on wheezy and can look at the jessie partition |
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| 06:58.03 | ryouma | jmcnaught: i think it's the initrd, but i don't know how or why. all i know how to do is extract it. i tried diffing against wheezy's but there are too many differences. |
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| 06:58.28 | mythuser | I ran aptitude upgrade and update on friday. After that, I cant get a dvb card working. dmesg says it cant find firmware, but it is there. even used module options to point the firmwares full path, no luck |
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| 06:58.48 | mythuser | what gives? |
| 06:59.32 | mythuser | [ 6.177881] xc2028 1-0061: Reading firmware /lib/firmware/xc3028-v27.fw |
| 06:59.32 | mythuser | [ 6.178651] xc2028 1-0061: Error: firmware /lib/firmware/xc3028-v27.fw not found. |
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| 07:00.17 | mythuser | ls that path and the firmware is there? |
| 07:00.32 | ryouma | jmcnaught: crypttab is correct; it is identical to wheezy's except for the root partition, which is the correct /dev/disk/by-id for it |
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| 07:03.20 | jmcnaught | ryouma: can you chroot into it and do "update-initramfs -v -u" and see if there are any errors? |
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| 07:05.45 | ryouma | i will try now |
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| 07:17.36 | ryouma | jmcnaught: a lot of output, but nothing that says error or warning |
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| 07:18.52 | heliox | hi |
| 07:19.07 | heliox | why i cannot download "jessie" - page not found ? |
| 07:19.10 | heliox | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:20.09 | shay_shay | heliox: because that file doesnt exist yet |
| 07:20.20 | svetlana | see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ , last is 8.1.0 |
| 07:20.27 | heliox | ok - but this link is from they website |
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| 07:20.40 | shay_shay | oh |
| 07:20.54 | heliox | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 07:20.57 | shay_shay | then it does exist now and your link is wrong |
| 07:21.09 | shay_shay | h |
| 07:21.11 | shay_shay | ah |
| 07:21.26 | shay_shay | they vroke teh interwebs |
| 07:21.47 | heliox | ? |
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| 07:23.28 | heliox | actually - it's impossible to download any iso (cd dvd netinstall) all links are dead |
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| 07:26.21 | hejki | ohai, how can I tell apt to answer "no" to dbconfig-common in an unattended installation? noninteractive frontend doesn't seem to do that for rsyslog-pgsql -package |
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| 07:29.10 | CrypticSquared | anything i can help you with ShadowVixen? |
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| 07:54.11 | netsca | !jessie |
| 07:54.11 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.2>. |
| 07:54.28 | netsca | !release notes |
| 07:54.28 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 07:54.32 | netsca | Oh |
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| 07:55.51 | Chocolate_Chip | Reading about the history of debian |
| 07:56.02 | Chocolate_Chip | Does Ian Murdock still work for The Drbian Project? |
| 07:56.03 | shay_shay | heliox: svetlana gave you the link |
| 07:56.15 | netsca | I'm not sure |
| 07:56.34 | Chocolate_Chip | And Bruce Perns |
| 07:57.04 | shay_shay | heliox: oh yeah its still 8.1... any reason why you think you have to wait for 8.2 download to begin? |
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| 07:57.20 | shay_shay | just use the 8.1 netinstaller and you will have 8.2 when you first boot |
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| 08:03.40 | netsca | Heres ian murdocks website/blog thing http://ianmurdock.com/ |
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| 08:10.20 | noxturno | hello ! anyone there xD? |
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| 08:11.50 | dantheman1800 | noxturno: probably |
| 08:12.11 | Stummi | no one is here, thats justs 1628 bots |
| 08:12.23 | Stummi | *just |
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| 08:13.18 | noxturno | I am looking for a debian tech that can help me fix my server . ofcourse there will be compensation, I just dont have time to google/ do it myself :( |
| 08:14.16 | babilen | noxturno: You can only get free support in here. If you insist on paying someone you could contact one of https://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 08:15.12 | noxturno | babilen: okey !! thanks so much . |
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| 08:18.50 | Chocolate_Chip | I just changed my login shell to dash |
| 08:19.01 | Chocolate_Chip | I feel like I shouldn't have done that |
| 08:19.03 | Chocolate_Chip | >.> |
| 08:19.06 | noxturno | babilen: are this people truthworthy ? |
| 08:19.25 | noxturno | Chocolate_Chip: you mean "dash"? or "/" |
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| 08:19.33 | Chocolate_Chip | dash |
| 08:19.39 | noxturno | xD |
| 08:19.39 | Chocolate_Chip | I made /bin/sh dash |
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| 08:20.25 | Chocolate_Chip | Bash was preset |
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| 08:21.04 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: So change your user's shell to whatever you want it to be (read 'man 1 chsh') |
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| 08:21.30 | babilen | noxturno: I can't vouch for every single one of them, no |
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| 08:21.47 | noxturno | you got anyone you know ? |
| 08:22.26 | noxturno | man i setup everything so smooth with little issues , then I mess up once after like 7 months of uptime and somehow I deleted mysql and my website is down xD |
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| 08:24.56 | netsca | Isn't dash default /bin/sh? |
| 08:25.09 | shay_shay | yes |
| 08:25.19 | Chocolate_Chip | For me, it was bash |
| 08:25.23 | netsca | huh |
| 08:26.04 | babilen | noxturno: As I said: You would get free support in here (and in #mysql), but I won't endorse single people on that list. |
| 08:26.04 | shay_shay | ls -l /bin/sh |
| 08:26.05 | Chocolate_Chip | What are the major differences between bash and dash? |
| 08:26.06 | shay_shay | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 8 2014 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 08:26.15 | shay_shay | dash is more like ash |
| 08:26.24 | Chocolate_Chip | I can run bash scripts in dash, right> |
| 08:26.31 | netsca | Not if they contain bashisms |
| 08:26.53 | shay_shay | bashisms are pieces of code that only bash supports, not posix |
| 08:27.04 | shay_shay | a lot of scripts are writte to be compatible with ash |
| 08:27.13 | Chocolate_Chip | What about this script. Is this dash compatable? |
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| 08:27.22 | shay_shay | try it |
| 08:27.30 | Chocolate_Chip | https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript/ |
| 08:27.33 | ryouma | jmcnaught: back |
| 08:27.33 | netsca | Checkout this for info on dash as /bin/sh and differences between dash and bash https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
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| 08:27.52 | netsca | Just change /bin/bash to /bin/dash |
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| 08:28.16 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: at first glance it looks like it will be |
| 08:28.26 | Chocolate_Chip | k |
| 08:28.31 | shay_shay | you can execute it like "dash foo.sh" |
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| 08:30.08 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: in devscripts there is a checkbashisms script |
| 08:30.16 | shay_shay | it will check your script for bashisms |
| 08:30.36 | Chocolate_Chip | Is there a wayto enable dash without doiung sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 08:30.41 | Rovanion | Does anyone know how to change the keyboard layout of a user in LightDM, i.e. the login screen. |
| 08:30.43 | Chocolate_Chip | I don't want the prompt |
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| 08:31.04 | shay_shay | chsh -s /bin/bash |
| 08:31.05 | netsca | Why |
| 08:31.15 | shay_shay | like babilen already told you |
| 08:31.41 | shay_shay | actually he told you to read the man page |
| 08:31.47 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: fwiw, ftp.debian.org is a horrible default mirror choice, httpredir.debian.org is better |
| 08:31.56 | Chocolate_Chip | I have that |
| 08:31.58 | babilen | shay_shay: Yeah, but who does that? |
| 08:31.58 | Chocolate_Chip | Read on |
| 08:32.06 | shay_shay | babilen: i do |
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| 08:32.27 | shay_shay | babilen: Chocolate_Chip reads the man page by proxying through us |
| 08:32.35 | netsca | I use the mirrors.kernel.org mirror in my sources.list |
| 08:33.17 | babilen | Chocolate_Chip: I'd rather not ... ;) |
| 08:33.42 | netsca | Isn't their security flaws with ftp? |
| 08:33.43 | shay_shay | babilen: if you look at it you'll go blind |
| 08:33.58 | Chocolate_Chip | babilen, it starts with ftp.debian.org, then it installs apt-transport-http |
| 08:34.06 | Chocolate_Chip | Then it switches to httpredir |
| 08:34.23 | Chocolate_Chip | netsca, FTP is tobe deprecated soon. |
| 08:34.36 | Chocolate_Chip | Itforces you to convert every file to ASCII. Did you know that? |
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| 08:36.26 | shay_shay | TMYK |
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| 08:36.36 | netsca | TMYK? |
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| 08:37.27 | Chocolate_Chip | http://www.janoszen.com/2013/04/26/dont-use-ftp-heres-why/ |
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| 08:37.57 | netsca | What is TMYK? |
| 08:38.14 | shay_shay | the more you know http://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD6qtc2_AQA/sddefault.jpg |
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| 08:50.34 | netsca | Hey chocolate_chip I might be able to get you a proton mail account |
| 08:51.01 | webdawg | I have been trying to import a CA cert into iceweasel and it does not reconize that it is there. This works in firefox on archlinux and on chrome on the debian box. I cannot get iceweasel to reconize the ca that I just imported in its preferences. Any ideas? |
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| 08:54.38 | Kuhndoo | hello, I'm getting "Failed to execute operation: Activation of org.freedesktop.systemd1 timed out" errors when trying to run apt-get upgrade. any idea what could cause this issue? |
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| 08:54.53 | Kuhndoo | also, I'm having troubles logging in (ssh to the host takes ages) |
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| 08:57.38 | jelly | netsca: he wouldn't like mail, all the attachments get converted to ASCII |
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| 09:00.31 | shay_shay | jelly: like with libcaca i presume? |
| 09:00.35 | shay_shay | :) |
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| 09:01.07 | oxachloren | netsca, can I get one too? I'm waiting so long for it already. |
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| 09:01.59 | jelly | shay_shay: go print copies of MIME RFCs and slap yourself, I can't be bothered to! |
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| 09:06.14 | netsca | oxachloren Sorry the link doesn't work anymore |
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| 09:07.17 | fn | morning guys. I enabled "ufw" and now, my website isn't showing again. what did I miss? |
| 09:09.07 | heliox | ok -so i have tried to install debian netinstall 8.1.0 because links to 8.2 are dead and..... it is impossible - during installation the mirror servers are unavaliable - because of wrong release file ) what now ?? |
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| 09:09.43 | aborrero | anyone can recommend me a FLOSS timeline utility? (to track and display events) |
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| 09:10.40 | babilen | fn: Sounds as if your, now active, firewall blocks incoming and/or outgoing traffic. Take a look at the output of "iptables-save" to see what it is doing. |
| 09:11.46 | jelly | heliox: "wrong release file" sounds like a temporary issue, you might try using a different mirror |
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| 09:14.01 | heliox | jelly: i have tried |
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| 09:15.54 | heliox | there is error: mirror does not support the specified release (jessie) |
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| 09:20.51 | fn | babilen: I just added http port, but not https - works now, thanks. |
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| 09:34.07 | sgflt | is there a recommended way to install (and potentially uninstall) the latest nvidia driver (which isn't packaged yet)? |
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| 09:36.15 | WormFood | are all the download links on debian.org broken? |
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| 09:37.41 | sgflt | WormFood, looks like. they point to 8.2, which isn't uploaded yet, apparently |
| 09:37.46 | sgflt | WormFood, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 09:38.42 | WormFood | it looks really bad, when simple download links don't work. |
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| 09:39.47 | themill | no shit |
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| 09:41.24 | WormFood | so, I'm trying to help my friend out, and he goes to the page and can't even download anything. Of course, I don't bother to check it, before I tell him where to go, because it always works |
| 09:41.56 | sgflt | well, i guess for now you need to pick out an 8.1 image and send him a direct link =/ |
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| 09:42.06 | themill | No, it always breaks at the time when a point release is done. |
| 09:42.43 | uzumaki_naruto | how can i configure free openvpn in kali linux |
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| 09:43.02 | WormFood | sgflt, yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. |
| 09:43.26 | fn | body, html { |
| 09:43.28 | fn | background-color: #ebebeb; |
| 09:43.30 | fn | background-image: none; |
| 09:43.32 | fn | } |
| 09:43.34 | fn | .wrapper { |
| 09:43.36 | fn | position: relative; |
| 09:43.38 | fn | width:642px; |
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| 09:43.44 | WormFood | uzumaki_naruto, that isn't related to Debian. Sorry. You're in the wrong place to get that question answered. |
| 09:43.54 | WormFood | saw that coming. css anyone? ;) |
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| 09:52.04 | xar- | hi, trying to debootstrap wheezy, getting an unknown compression type for in .//var/cache/apt/archives/libacl1_2.2.51-8_amd64.deb which interrupts the build, suggestions? |
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| 09:52.38 | WormFood | xar-, did you investigate that file? Is it corrupt? |
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| 09:53.34 | themill | xar-: what are you debootstrapping on? |
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| 09:53.54 | gruzuk | Hi i cant download debian from www.debian.org, get error 404. Where to download? |
| 09:54.48 | WormFood | gruzuk, someone made a mistake, and changed the website to point to 8.2, before it was uploaded. Edit your broken URLs, to change 8.2 to 8.1 and it should work. |
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| 09:56.06 | gruzuk | 8.2 is here? :) will 8.2 isos be released soon? |
| 09:56.32 | WormFood | what do you think? :P |
| 09:56.33 | themill | yes |
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| 09:57.18 | gruzuk | Ok, changing 8.2.0 to 8.1.0 in the url should work? |
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| 09:57.36 | WormFood | it worked for me. |
| 09:57.42 | WormFood | that is what I suggest you try. |
| 09:57.58 | gruzuk | ok, i will try, thanks |
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| 09:58.46 | gruzuk | works |
| 09:58.53 | gruzuk | ans anotger |
| 09:58.57 | gruzuk | ops |
| 09:59.32 | gruzuk | ans another question, dies debian support my bay trail graphic processor? |
| 10:00.47 | xar- | im debootstrapping on a virtual disk (vmdk), i'll check the file |
| 10:01.09 | WormFood | xar-, are you using xen? |
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| 10:01.47 | xar- | virtualbox |
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| 10:02.25 | WormFood | xen has some utilities, that I use for doing that stuff. Not sure what you can use under virtualbox to help out. |
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| 10:02.27 | xar- | im too inexperienced to judge the corruptness of the file, its there though, i'll remove it and try again |
| 10:02.37 | heliox | <gruzuk>: if you want to install netinstall version it wont work - i have tried and during installation there is problem with mirrors |
| 10:02.43 | WormFood | a deb file, is just a tarball |
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| 10:03.36 | at0m | !deb |
| 10:03.37 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>. |
| 10:04.02 | xar- | ahh, my environment has no idea what ar is |
| 10:04.06 | xar- | that would do it |
| 10:04.36 | WormFood | man ar |
| 10:04.38 | xar- | im using a minimal gentoo iso that doesn't have an ar binary |
| 10:04.46 | xar- | so guess i'll fix that, then come back lol |
| 10:04.51 | WormFood | huh? |
| 10:05.02 | WormFood | gentoo? |
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| 10:05.21 | xar- | yea they have a 200mb minimal iso, i used it to partition the disk, create filesystems, etc, |
| 10:05.38 | WormFood | why didn't you get the live debian iso |
| 10:05.56 | WormFood | actually, your question is off topic here, because it related to gentoo. You're not using debian |
| 10:06.09 | xar- | im a creature of habit, does debian have minimal isos? |
| 10:06.15 | WormFood | yes |
| 10:06.24 | at0m | netinstall iso |
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| 10:06.33 | themill | xar-: grab any of the installer images |
| 10:06.40 | xar- | i think its arguably shades of grey, since my objective is the installation of debian... lol |
| 10:06.46 | WormFood | how do we know that the gentoo guys didn't bork debbootstrap? |
| 10:06.48 | xar- | alright will do thank you |
| 10:07.04 | xar- | well cuz i downloaded debootstrap from a debian mirror :p |
| 10:07.10 | WormFood | no, it's not a shade of grey, it's clear cut. You're using gentoo. You're using gentoo tools. That does not relate to debian. |
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| 10:07.17 | themill | err |
| 10:07.23 | at0m | WormFood: <xar> im debootstrapping on a virtual disk |
| 10:07.35 | xar- | again, im using deboostrap from a debian mirror. |
| 10:07.38 | WormFood | at0m, under gentoo |
| 10:07.42 | ws2k3 | is it possible to make a cron that runs at 30 minets? so 00:30 01:30 02:30 etc ? how should i do something like that |
| 10:07.42 | oxachloren | inb4 discussing Gentoo on Debian channel |
| 10:07.54 | disconnecht_ | how can i c/p to/from gnome-terminal-3.16.2-1? |
| 10:07.56 | at0m | ws2k3: crossposting? man crontab |
| 10:08.13 | oxachloren | disconnecht, have you tried Ctrl+Shift+V? |
| 10:09.09 | xar- | i'd use an ubuntu iso if it had ar (haven't checked) i'm not married to any particular environment, just trying to get off the ground |
| 10:09.15 | xar- | thanks fellas for the tips |
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| 10:09.32 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:09.32 | disconnecht_ | oxachloren: sorry, i meant to gnome-terminal from another application and vice versa... |
| 10:09.39 | WormFood | xar-, use the live debian dvd, and you'll get a much better response for help here ;) |
| 10:09.55 | Agiofws | can anyone help me troubleshoot a suspend problem on debian? |
| 10:10.04 | xar- | i've had enough hostility for one morning, im good thanks :) |
| 10:10.24 | disconnecht_ | oxachloren: copying/pasting works to same terminal and even to another gnome-terminal window but not to other applications |
| 10:10.31 | WormFood | xar-, your gentoo questions are off topic here. It's not hostility. |
| 10:10.42 | themill | WormFood: this isn't a gentoo question |
| 10:10.52 | themill | xar-: ar shouldn't be needed here -- I think you got a dodgy .deb for some reason |
| 10:10.53 | Agiofws | as far as i can tell if i try to wake up my pc after a about 30 mins it won't wake up could a bad motherboard battery be responsible for this? |
| 10:11.29 | at0m | Agiofws: does your pc remember its clock and bios settings? |
| 10:11.32 | WormFood | themill, he's using gentoo |
| 10:11.51 | xar- | themill: im grabbing the netinstaller, the debian.org documentation actually mentions ar in the build process |
| 10:11.54 | themill | WormFood: to unpack debian archives with a tool that he got from debian that is designed to work on any unix |
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| 10:12.26 | xar- | looks like its a jessie netinstaller, hopefully I can go backwards with it to wheezy |
| 10:12.33 | themill | xar-: your error message indicates that debootstrap isn't handling that package properly at all but there's nothings special about that package |
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| 10:12.43 | themill | xar-: if for some reason you want wheezy, just install wheezy |
| 10:13.06 | Agiofws | at0m, i think so though i got some kind of message booting with a dif. kernel that your system is in the future fixing up .... |
| 10:13.24 | Agiofws | but time in the GUI is ok |
| 10:13.31 | xar- | oops, the link to the netinst.iso is a 404 |
| 10:13.34 | Agiofws | and also i bios i think |
| 10:13.34 | xar- | :S |
| 10:13.42 | WormFood | xar-, change the 8.2 in the url to 8.1 |
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| 10:13.57 | WormFood | someone made a mistake, and updated the website before the new stuff was uploaded. |
| 10:14.04 | noxturno | hey guys which debian version is best ? |
| 10:14.12 | DrDisconsented | Define best |
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| 10:14.21 | WormFood | noxturno, that is an extremely subjective question. |
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| 10:14.28 | WormFood | what is best, is whatever you like. |
| 10:14.32 | themill | xar-: if you want wheezy, you don't want the jessie installer in any case |
| 10:14.36 | xar- | ugggh such a perfect opportunity for a systemd jab, that allowed here? :) |
| 10:14.54 | themill | xar-: they belong in /dev.null |
| 10:14.56 | themill | / |
| 10:15.01 | noxturno | I been using wheezy what is the difference ? |
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| 10:15.24 | xar- | i dont think its available anymore |
| 10:15.30 | xar- | im searching |
| 10:15.32 | themill | dpkg: tell xar- about install wheezy |
| 10:16.58 | Agiofws | at0m, http://pastebin.com/rkD09XhB |
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| 10:19.29 | at0m | Agiofws: not familiar with pm-utils, was only replying on the battery |
| 10:19.37 | xar- | excellent, thanks again |
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| 10:22.26 | Agiofws | ok thank you at0m |
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| 10:23.53 | percY- | my fileserver reboot out of nowhere again :( |
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| 10:25.46 | tinyhipp0 | listen to me thomas |
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| 10:29.04 | bezaban | !ops |
| 10:29.04 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 10:29.07 | bezaban | !ops spam |
| 10:29.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bezaban complains about: spam |
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| 10:29.52 | bezaban | thanks |
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| 10:33.24 | talin | hello. when you connect an usb to serial device to your computer, how do you find what device it has in /dev? |
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| 10:33.54 | disconnecht_ | i try to run gparted using gparted-pkexec (0.19.0-3 on stretch in gnome 3.16.2) and it fails w/ Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1, started happening after i ran gparted from another machine via ssh -X |
| 10:34.04 | jelly | talin: I just hope it's one of the /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 10:34.25 | jelly | and look at dmesg, maybe |
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| 10:34.44 | talin | jelly: no ttyU-files there |
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| 10:36.45 | at0m | disconnecht_: in a terminal, export DISPLAY=:0 to reset DISPLAY to local, then start your app from there |
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| 10:39.49 | disconnecht_ | at0m: ok, now there's no error but it doesn't show either, terminal just scrolls indefinetly and there is a gpartedbin proces is ps... |
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| 10:41.22 | at0m | "scrolls indefinetly"? what does it output? |
| 10:41.45 | disconnecht_ | at0m: nothing, just newlines.. |
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| 10:42.13 | at0m | :? |
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| 10:43.03 | disconnecht_ | at0m: ok, guess we can ignore that because when i ran it again, it just says libparted:3.2 and the gparted window doesn't show |
| 10:43.15 | cuqa_ | hello, I have a weird problem. I am currently at one server with 2 terminals and I am trying to modify some file |
| 10:43.31 | cuqa_ | however both files are different in the both browsers |
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| 10:44.24 | cuqa_ | *in both terminals |
| 10:44.46 | cuqa_ | i tried sync but without help |
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| 10:53.24 | newstime | ||||| >>>>> WHAT IS YOUR DOMAIN NAME WORTH? Visit >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< FREE DOMAIN VALUATION! or GOOGLE >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< ||||| |
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| 11:12.28 | er4z0r | !spam |
| 11:12.28 | dpkg | well, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>. |
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| 11:13.22 | Stummi | !greylisting |
| 11:13.22 | dpkg | Greylisting is a method of blocking significant amounts of spam at the mailserver level, without resorting to heavyweight statistical analysis or other heuristical (and error-prone) approaches. See http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/whitepaper.html and http://greylisting.org/ for more information. See also <postgrey>, <greylistd>. |
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| 11:13.31 | oxachloren | !list spam |
| 11:13.31 | dpkg | Seen spam on the Debian mailing lists? Report it and help the listmasters. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/10/msg00004.html for details. See http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam/MUAPlugins for reporting with various MUAs. |
| 11:14.17 | er4z0r | apprently dpkg know nothing about channel spam |
| 11:14.43 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 11:14.43 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 11:15.58 | er4z0r | :D |
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| 11:20.26 | BadCodSmell | Hello, some retard made debian take actions then reboot the system in on go in the installer instead of making two separate options, does nayone know which command it uses to reboot? |
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| 11:21.58 | BadCodSmell | # echo -e '#/bin/bash\necho poo' > /sbin/reboot # /bin/sh: can't create /sbin/reboot: Text file busy |
| 11:22.04 | BadCodSmell | readonly fs :( |
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| 11:24.11 | Serathrax | Does anyone know how I can use the output of awk 'print $*' in a script? A digit comes out of $* and I need to run 'ethtool -K vif$*.* tx off' command at system startup. |
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| 11:26.10 | fourwalls | You can use $(awk 'print $*') in your script to get the output of your awk command |
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| 11:26.36 | Serathrax | thank you! :) |
| 11:26.57 | er4z0r | fourwalls: is $* really propagated to subshells? |
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| 11:28.17 | fourwalls | er4z0r: I believe it works. brb testing, this just got interesting |
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| 11:30.53 | fourwalls | er4z0r: Totally works :) |
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| 11:33.40 | er4z0r | fourwalls: kk, thx |
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| 11:36.51 | debUmmel | Hello. I have Debian 8.2, and ran 'lspci' as root. It lists me all my connected devices, but it doesn't display my 'Intel Sideband Fabric Device', 'Intel Trusted Execution Engine', 'USB 3.0/xHCI controller' and my 'Realtek High Definition Audio' (I have Audio, but not HD/Good quality). |
| 11:36.59 | debUmmel | What can I do to get them running? |
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| 11:39.22 | debUmmel | Sorry, i lost my internet connection. See my question above. |
| 11:41.41 | er4z0r | debUmmel: maybe they are listed as Generic *** devices |
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| 11:42.13 | debUmmel | But they work? |
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| 11:42.40 | er4z0r | debUmmel: if some generic driver is used they might work but not to their full potnetial |
| 11:43.02 | er4z0r | maybe pastebin the output of 'lspci -nvk' |
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| 11:50.59 | elfranne | there seems to be an issue with the 8.2 release, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ does not have a 8.2 directory, should i report this to a specific group ? |
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| 11:56.23 | babilen | elfranne: No, it'll be sorted out eventually. Feel free to use 8.1 images until then. |
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| 12:06.42 | elfranne | babilen, thx |
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| 12:15.26 | BadCodSmell | In the debian installer for wheezy how do I mount ntfs rw? |
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| 12:17.00 | pron | jmcnaught: emm on virtual mashine it boots :D |
| 12:17.18 | pron | but i have few ides wich i gona try when im back at home |
| 12:17.48 | jelly | BadCodSmell: you probably can't, unless you fiugre out a way to install ntfs-3g |
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| 12:32.02 | darsie | How do I migrate from systemd back to sysvinit on wheezy? |
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| 12:33.19 | centrx | darsie, apt-get install sysvinit-core |
| 12:33.27 | darsie | thx |
| 12:33.28 | centrx | darsie, may not be feasible if you are using Gnome |
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| 12:33.33 | darsie | xfce |
| 12:33.43 | darsie | some gnome stuff may be there. |
| 12:34.44 | darsie | root@b:~# aptitude install sysvinit-core "No candidate version found for sysvinit-core" |
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| 12:35.40 | alexy314 | Hi. My OS is debian testing. Today when I performed dist-upgrade, it prompted to remove aptitude, vlc and a bunch of other stuff. Should I perform the upgrade? Thanks. |
| 12:35.48 | BadCodSmell | no |
| 12:36.13 | BadCodSmell | you should look into why it wants to kill aptitude |
| 12:36.27 | alexy314 | This is the output: https://paste.debian.net/310626/ |
| 12:36.31 | darsie | alexy314: full-upgrade is the new dist-upgrade. |
| 12:36.32 | themill | alexy314: you probably should use apt-get for big upgrades like that |
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| 12:36.57 | alexy314 | The command i use is apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:36.58 | themill | darsie: how did you get wheezy running systemd to begin with? |
| 12:37.36 | centrx | alexy314, Yeah seems to be related to the GCC 5 transition |
| 12:37.36 | oxachloren | E: Invalid operation full-upgrade |
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| 12:37.52 | darsie | themill: It wouldn't automount my card reader and import photos and someone in #xfce (IIRC) said installing systemd is recommended, but not required. |
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| 12:38.24 | oxachloren | alexy312, I'm on testing too, but it didn't promt me to remove aptitude. |
| 12:38.27 | centrx | alexy314, Although I don't see aptitude on that list, looks like just a few random libraries and vlc "goodies"? |
| 12:39.02 | themill | darsie: that's not true for wheezy and you'd have to work hard to get wheezy to boot with systemd. |
| 12:39.09 | alexy314 | I just did another 'dist-upgrade' and the remove list is longer: https://paste.debian.net/310641/ |
| 12:39.13 | darsie | I already removed systemd-sysv, but it wasn't too exciting booting without init ... |
| 12:39.14 | themill | (so undo whatever you did) |
| 12:39.25 | themill | darsie: systemd-sysv is not in wheezy at all |
| 12:39.29 | darsie | Now I reinstalled systemd-sysv |
| 12:39.43 | themill | oh, maybe it is |
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| 12:39.46 | themill | ponders |
| 12:39.55 | jwaibel | shivers |
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| 12:40.32 | BadCodSmell | How can I add a partition to a usb stick with the netinst iso on it? |
| 12:40.33 | jelly | darsie: are sysvinit, sysvinit-tools installed? |
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| 12:40.43 | BadCodSmell | It does some voodoo |
| 12:40.58 | jelly | BadCodSmell: what's your actual goal there? |
| 12:41.13 | darsie | jelly: I have sysvinit-utils, not -tools |
| 12:41.13 | alexy314 | Maybe I should wait for a week or so to let the dependency settle down? |
| 12:41.23 | BadCodSmell | jelly: to have a bunch of space I can use on the install USB. |
| 12:41.24 | jelly | BadCodSmell: the hybrid image has a weird partition table |
| 12:41.35 | alexy314 | I noticed libreoffice5 is pushed into testing today. |
| 12:41.48 | jelly | BadCodSmell: use for what, nothing specific? |
| 12:41.50 | BadCodSmell | Is there any explanation of that anywhere? |
| 12:42.01 | BadCodSmell | jelly: For the sake of it, I thought it would be cool. |
| 12:42.11 | darsie | I'm having problesm booting with systemd. It often hangs at or after fsck, sometimes giving me an emergency shell after a long while. |
| 12:42.17 | themill | alexy314: yes, waiting is a good plan. Or use only "upgrade" and not "dist-upgrade" |
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| 12:42.41 | darsie | maybe I should upgrade to jessie |
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| 12:42.50 | darsie | I wanted to delay that till I have a new computer. |
| 12:42.55 | jelly | darsie: right, sysvinit and sysvinit-utils, sorry |
| 12:42.57 | BadCodSmell | Specifically I want to full tar the fs after running a bootstrap script |
| 12:43.25 | BadCodSmell | To make a simple clone |
| 12:43.51 | oxachloren | alexy314, I just removed aptitude. |
| 12:43.54 | oxachloren | With dist-upgrade. |
| 12:44.03 | oxachloren | It has promted me too after apt-get update. |
| 12:44.13 | darsie | oxachloren: Try to reinstall it with apt-get. |
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| 12:44.28 | alexy314 | oxachloren, so it's not just me. :-) |
| 12:44.30 | oxachloren | I don't need aptitude, I just told him that everything works. |
| 12:44.39 | alexy314 | themill, thanks. |
| 12:44.42 | oxachloren | APT works fine. |
| 12:44.53 | oxachloren | Never in my life I have used aptitude. |
| 12:45.23 | BadCodSmell | it's isohybrid, at least that is useful |
| 12:45.52 | alexy314 | If I was using Sid, would sid get fixed soonerï¼ |
| 12:46.11 | centrx | don't use sid unless you know what you're doing |
| 12:47.11 | darsie | alexbligh1: Sid is the "unstable" developement branch of debian. It changes very frequently and is used to introduce new packages and get them to working with the rest of the system, so it's often unstable. |
| 12:47.12 | oxachloren | You're okay with testing if you want new stuff. |
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| 12:48.21 | oxachloren | When package is in unstable for 2-10 days packages moves into testing. |
| 12:48.27 | oxachloren | So you're not really missing anything. |
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| 12:48.47 | alexy314 | Thanks everybody, guess I'll have to wait for some time before I can dist-upgrade |
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| 12:49.49 | LjL | acceptable in this channel to ask for which repository-provided software to use for a given task? if so, i'd like something like a "baby monitor", i.e. sound streamer from one computer to another, ideally with an alarm when sound is detected. i'm trying DarkIce but finding it hard to configure it (and it has no alarm) |
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| 12:50.30 | hemebond | Is it possible to mount and use a CDROM during preseed after PXE booting? |
| 12:51.01 | oxachloren | Most likely. |
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| 12:52.18 | alexy314 | It's strange. I just tried 'aptitude safe-upgrade' The solution given by aptitude is way different. It also needs to remove packages, but a lot less. |
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| 12:52.51 | jelly | BadCodSmell: I've seen it done the other way round, a multiboot usb that has the iso for d-i on it |
| 12:52.55 | oxachloren | I guess it's whack for aptitude to remove itself. |
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| 12:55.21 | darsie | oxachloren: It doesn't normally do that, so maybe you remember what you did to it. |
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| 12:56.39 | darsie | Have you installed stable and testing on the same system or so? |
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| 13:04.34 | LjL | if i try to either dist-upgrade or upgrade Chromium on testing now, it wants to remove half of KDE :\ |
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| 13:05.22 | babilen | LjL: I would advise against doing that (if you want to use KDE that is). Please also note that testing (and unstable) are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 13:10.26 | LjL | babilen: yeah, sorry. was more of a semi-random remark than a support request though, my more pressing thing is to find a working DarkIce / "baby monitor" alternative |
| 13:13.25 | hemebond | It is possible to use a CDROM as a source when PXE booting; mount the ISO on an accessible web server at /debian and it works a treat :-) |
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| 13:14.45 | alexy314 | babilen, when I join #debian-next I got redirected here |
| 13:15.26 | babilen | alexy314: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the official ones and not here on freenode |
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| 13:16.32 | alexy314 | babilen, thanks. |
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| 13:21.12 | oxachloren | darsie, I have updated from stable to testing. |
| 13:21.20 | oxachloren | Not now, some weeks ago. |
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| 13:22.01 | oxachloren | I don't really need aptitude, but when I try to install it, there is unmet dependency now. |
| 13:22.05 | oxachloren | aptitude : Depends: libxapian22 but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:22.21 | oxachloren | This makes me quite curious. |
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| 13:23.58 | babilen | oxachloren: A look at "apt-cache policy aptitude libxapian22" should clarify the issue. Please also note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next :) |
| 13:24.27 | oxachloren | Hey, I'm just answering to darsie. Installing libxapian22 will resolve the issue. |
| 13:24.37 | oxachloren | Because it doesn't have any unmet dependencies on testing. Yet. |
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| 13:26.56 | Walex | oxachloren: when you downgrade to the 'testing' archive you are a very advanced developer, and unmet dependencies are the simplest issues you can solve.# |
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| 13:27.59 | WormFood | what metapackage do "I" need to install, to get the full gnome desktop? (in Jessie) |
| 13:28.25 | oxachloren | We were not discussing umnet dependencies, but rather why aptitude has been marked for removal. |
| 13:28.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell WormFood -about install gnome |
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| 13:30.19 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.27 | WormFood | babilen, that information is out of date |
| 13:30.30 | oxachloren | And gnome-core? |
| 13:30.43 | WormFood | gnome-core, is of course there. |
| 13:30.53 | WormFood | my question was specific, and I get a generic answer, that is wrong. |
| 13:31.12 | oxachloren | What about gnome-desktop? If gnome-desktop-environment isn't there. |
| 13:31.13 | babilen | It is indeed, I'll fix that. |
| 13:31.17 | WormFood | is there no metapackage in jessie, for the whole 9 yards, of gnome desktop? |
| 13:31.36 | oxachloren | Oh that's actually gnome-desktop-environment so never mind. |
| 13:31.36 | babilen | WormFood: You should, obviously, install gnome-session, gdm3 and network-manager-gnome |
| 13:31.40 | WormFood | yeah, gnome-desktop is there, but it's not the whole gnome package, it seems. |
| 13:31.41 | vickycq | What about using tasksel to install GNOME? |
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| 13:32.07 | WormFood | I don't use tasksel |
| 13:32.20 | babilen | vickycq: I prefer to not install the task as it pulls in everything and the kitchen sink |
| 13:32.23 | WormFood | I expected there to be a metapackage, like in the past. |
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| 13:33.38 | vickycq | I just tried marking task-gnome-desktop in synaptic, requires removal of gimp, aptitude. bummer. |
| 13:34.14 | WormFood | huh? You're saying removing task-gnome-desktop requires you to uninstall gimp? |
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| 13:35.06 | vickycq | Installing task-gnome-desktop requires me to uninstall gimp, aptitude, and a bunch of other libs |
| 13:35.22 | WormFood | oh. Yeah. That's possible. |
| 13:35.41 | WormFood | and then you reinstall them, once you have the new libs installed |
| 13:36.12 | vickycq | Oh I forgot to mention I'm on testing. Maybe it's just a temporary breakage |
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| 13:36.41 | oxachloren | aptitude is going to be removed anyway probably. |
| 13:36.59 | WormFood | what? You're on testing, and you're asking amateurish questions? Testing is for "experts" ;) :P |
| 13:36.59 | RoyK | anyone that knows something like a 'locate' system (slocate/mlocate) that can use a central database? |
| 13:37.35 | babilen | WormFood: gnome-session pulls in various packages, but feel free to install gnome-core |
| 13:37.50 | WormFood | RoyK, that'd defeat the whole purpose of using locate. Mount what you want to 'locate', and let it work like normal. |
| 13:38.24 | WormFood | babilen, so, I think the answer to my question is, there is no metapackage to install the whole gnome desktop, right? |
| 13:38.36 | babilen | WormFood: There is "gnome" |
| 13:38.40 | WormFood | right |
| 13:38.53 | WormFood | and that is installed, but just the minimum |
| 13:38.57 | armin | so i basically just started firefox, changed one single option, closed firefox, and did a git diff on prefs.js. the diff output is 90 lines. i like to predict the behaviour of the software my systems use, at least with some limitations, but what am i supposed to do here besides restoring a fresh state on startup to at least be able to get reproducible behaviour of firefox? |
| 13:39.15 | babilen | WormFood: What do you mean by "just the minimum" ? |
| 13:39.28 | WormFood | this is not for me. I don't like gnome at all. I'd never install that garbage on my machine again. It's for a friend, that wants a gui, but doesn't want to invest the time to learn anything. |
| 13:40.00 | oxachloren | I would find XFCE more friendly to be honest. |
| 13:40.03 | WormFood | well, for example, it doesn't have a gdm |
| 13:40.08 | WormFood | oxachloren, that is what I use now. |
| 13:40.23 | babilen | WormFood: Please, a little more respect for the hard work of the Gnome maintainers would be appreciated. |
| 13:40.39 | WormFood | I honestly couldn't use gnome 3. It didn't handle multiple desktops, and their ideas of hiding the notification area, is retarded. |
| 13:40.55 | WormFood | babilen, I'll show them a lot more respect, when they show more respect for the users. |
| 13:40.58 | oxachloren | Gnome is quite shitty in general. |
| 13:41.06 | WormFood | Gnome 2 was wonderful. |
| 13:41.14 | oxachloren | It still is. |
| 13:41.19 | WormFood | Agreed. |
| 13:41.24 | WormFood | it's a shame they dropped it |
| 13:41.25 | oxachloren | Does its job. |
| 13:41.32 | WormFood | now the gnome team is trying to act like apple. |
| 13:41.37 | babilen | Please, could we not go down that route. If you don't like Gnome then don't use it. It is as easy as that. |
| 13:41.48 | WormFood | I've read the developer comments. They don't deserve my respect. |
| 13:42.00 | themill | WormFood: enough, thanks. |
| 13:43.15 | RoyK | WormFood: just trying to find a way to datamine a bit on those 30TiB or so we have on our fileservers |
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| 13:44.04 | WormFood | So, you want a database of filenames? |
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| 13:45.09 | RoyK | WormFood: and preferably metadata and perhaps more info - do you know any software capable of that? preferably for several servers (we have 10ish fileservers so far) |
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| 13:45.17 | WormFood | You could probably figure out a way to get "find" to insert it into the database for you (probably painfully slow to do it that way tho) |
| 13:45.53 | WormFood | I'm not aware of any software that does that, however it's a very straight forward request. It shouldn't be too hard to write something to do that for you. |
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| 13:51.10 | keesj | lo. the http download links (full dc/dvd) on https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ look broken to me |
| 13:51.40 | WormFood | keesj, , they are broken. Just replace 8.2 with 8.1 in the broken URLs. |
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| 13:52.39 | RoyK | WormFood: I've written something that can be a nice start ... https://github.com/rkarlsba/dupious - just wondered if anyone else had done this - no reason to reinvent the wheel |
| 13:52.57 | WormFood | agreed RoyK |
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| 13:53.23 | keesj | are we on the verge of a new release? I plan on using the .81 net install right now |
| 13:53.33 | WormFood | oh yeah, you might want to calculate an md5sum, so you can find duplicates. |
| 13:53.44 | WormFood | keesj, it will update to 8.2 |
| 13:53.48 | WormFood | when it's released |
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| 13:54.24 | WormFood | I mean, it won't update on it's own, you'll have to update it. But once it's released, it will be active for you. |
| 13:54.36 | keesj | yea cool |
| 13:54.48 | WormFood | so, don't delay, install today ;) |
| 13:55.03 | themill | By the time you've finished installing, you'll be running 82 |
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| 13:55.05 | themill | . |
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| 13:58.43 | WormFood | RoyK, I was looking over your code. Is your main goal to find duplicate files? |
| 13:59.45 | WormFood | What I want, is an app that will find duplicate movies, at different resolutions. |
| 13:59.54 | RoyK | WormFood: it was, but I'm thinking of using that for more stuff with a central postgresql server |
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| 14:00.03 | RoyK | haha - that's not really easy ;) |
| 14:00.13 | RoyK | guess you could create some good AI to do that ;) |
| 14:00.14 | WormFood | I know! |
| 14:00.21 | WormFood | doesn't need AI |
| 14:00.32 | WormFood | Just a clever algorithm, and lots of time. |
| 14:00.36 | RoyK | anyway - gtg - talk to you later |
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| 14:00.44 | WormFood | åè§ |
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| 14:01.27 | WormFood | they do have software that will find duplicate images, that are the same, but different resolution. |
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| 14:02.05 | keesj | RoyK: google does not know about "$|++" what does it do? |
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| 14:16.09 | rom1v | hi |
| 14:17.52 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:17.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:25.53 | g00se1 | Is there a way to make sudo tell you what command it's dealing with at a given time? I'm trying to find out why it's _seeming_ to be asking for a password for umount. I suspect it could be asking about a different command maybe |
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| 14:27.51 | dvs | g00se1: Doesnt /var/log/auth.log tell you? |
| 14:28.05 | Rovanion | Does anyone know of a service which I can set up and recieve log emails and then whine when an email which usually arrives every week doesn't. |
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| 14:28.58 | Rovanion | Log monitoring essentially. Watching the logs for irregularities. |
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| 14:31.02 | g00se1 | dvs: I'll try that next time thanks |
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| 14:32.25 | dvs | no prob |
| 14:33.15 | phogg | Rovanion: there are many. Most generica are nagios and its ilk |
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| 14:35.17 | phogg | Rovanion: for your scenario you'd write a little script that performs a check e.g. "mail in this log within the last hour?" and prints out a result e.g. "OK" indicating whether the check passed. See https://assets.nagios.com/downloads/nagioscore/docs/nagioscore/3/en/pluginapi.html |
| 14:35.43 | phogg | Rovanion: there might be some other log monitoring tools that can solve your problem more easily, but rest assured you can at a minimum always use nagios |
| 14:36.07 | ChrisH | Rovanion: easier to maintain in reallife might be omd http://omdistro.org/ including nagios and some helpful stuff around |
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| 14:37.51 | phogg | Yeah, I can't really endorse setting up Nagios from scratch. It's a long and finicky process not to be undertaken lightly. Starting with a working setup is much better. |
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| 14:40.20 | phogg | The lovely thing about nagios is that it's at its core incredibly simple and elegant: execute a program, record the result, fire events. A generic monitor-anything engine built the Unix way. |
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| 14:43.12 | vickycq | The process 'dconf-service' is constantly doing a lot of disk writes at approx 1.5 Mib/s. What could be the problem? |
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| 14:43.36 | vickycq | Part of strace -p <pid of dconf-service> : https://paste.debian.net/310666/ |
| 14:44.02 | armin | hm, is there an alternative to openldap that doesn't cause headache? |
| 14:44.28 | Rovanion | To phogg and ChrisH: Nagios seems to be much like OpenNMS which we already got running in our system, perhaps it can be set up to do what I'm asking for. Asked over in #opennms but it's a low population channel. |
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| 14:44.47 | jelly | armin: different flavors of headache, maybe |
| 14:45.06 | phogg | Rovanion: They do occupy the same category, yes |
| 14:45.07 | Rovanion | There's openldap and samba right? |
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| 14:45.21 | phogg | armin: LDAP always causes headaches |
| 14:45.42 | phogg | armin: apache has an LDAP server that looks OK, but it seems geared toward use as an auth backend for an application more than a network |
| 14:46.22 | phogg | armin: There's 389ds, but it's quite a bit bigger than openldap |
| 14:46.29 | jelly | Net::LDAP::Server causes the least headache and has the least features :-) |
| 14:46.45 | phogg | jelly: touche! |
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| 14:51.46 | BadCodSmell | I found out how to load extra componenets from the cd with the debian installer! |
| 14:52.09 | WormFood | BadCodSmell, congratulations! |
| 14:52.24 | dvs | darn it! we should hide it better |
| 14:52.26 | WormFood | lights up a joint to celebrate. |
| 14:53.42 | BadCodSmell | for pkg in liblzma5 xz-utils;do ar x $(find /cdrom/pool/main/ -name "*$pkg*");tar -xvzf data.tar.gz -C /;rm *.tar.gz debian-binary;done :D |
| 14:54.01 | BadCodSmell | Someone is going to kill me for that. |
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| 15:10.39 | oxachloren | dpkg 8.2 |
| 15:10.40 | dpkg | Debian 8.2 was released on September 5, 2015. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150905 and http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 15:31.06 | asarch | How could I know the brand and model of the HDD drive? |
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| 15:32.20 | NoirLess | dumb question, but someone can recommend good firewall with gui? Or firewall AND gui for its? |
| 15:32.20 | jordanm | asarch: hdparam -I /dev/sdxx |
| 15:32.37 | mtn | NoirLess, gufw |
| 15:32.55 | folivora | NoirLess: outside debian: pfsense |
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| 15:34.26 | somiaj | asarch: lshw sometimes lists that, also maybe smartmon tools, sometimes it is also mentioned when the drive is detected in dmesg...lots of ways. |
| 15:34.37 | NoirLess | thanks, i ll try later) Cuz of strange output in netstat |
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| 15:46.42 | asarch | Thank you somiaj |
| 15:46.47 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 15:47.03 | asarch | Thank you Jordanm |
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| 15:51.25 | Looney | I am making a deb package. I wonder what would be a good place for python script which will run as cron. I am leaning towards /usr/bin/ |
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| 15:53.22 | jordanm | Looney: if it's only for cron, you can just put it somewhere like /etc/cron.daily |
| 15:53.39 | Looney | the script itself? |
| 15:53.45 | jordanm | Looney: otherwise /usr/bin is fin |
| 15:53.50 | jordanm | Looney: yes |
| 15:53.57 | somiaj | look in that directory, it is just filled with scripts that run on a daily basis |
| 15:54.36 | Looney | hmm, shouldn't the package/cron.d contain the shell like script |
| 15:54.41 | Looney | which tells about the time |
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| 15:56.14 | jordanm | Looney: cron.d would contain a crontab file, but cron.{daily,hourly,weekly,monthly} would contain an actual script |
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| 15:56.45 | Looney | I would be running corn every 2 or 5 minutes |
| 15:56.52 | Looney | thus crond.d |
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| 15:58.21 | Looney | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.02 | somiaj | Looney: that would work, was just pointing out there are some default places for cron scripts you want run at regular times |
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| 15:59.08 | somiaj | or that was just poitned out |
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| 15:59.38 | Looney | yeah, I know about daily,hourly etc. |
| 16:00.15 | Looney | I just wanted to check with if there is any good practice which I can do while making my deb package |
| 16:01.12 | somiaj | Looney: seems some packages put the scripts in /usr/lib/packagename/ (just looking at some of my crontabs). Probabaly put it there since the script isn't something needed to be in the $PATH or run outside of cron. |
| 16:01.17 | somiaj | but I think either place is fine. |
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| 16:01.58 | Looney | great |
| 16:02.06 | Looney | I would prefer it in /usr/lib |
| 16:02.20 | Looney | because I do not want cron to run as per user's will |
| 16:02.28 | Looney | I know that user can |
| 16:02.51 | Looney | but let that be for those who know their way around |
| 16:03.05 | fennesz | hello everyone ! can someone help me to turn off the screensaver when I watch a video with flash ? |
| 16:03.28 | fennesz | I am using Debian 8 |
| 16:03.53 | somiaj | fennesz: xset -dpms s off |
| 16:04.09 | somiaj | fennesz: I'm guessing it is the default screen blanking in xorg, if it is an actual screen saver use your desktop config tools |
| 16:04.25 | chrisoprase | Hi. I'm upgrading to jessie, but rlinetd is throwing a post install config error and I'm stuck with a bunch of unconfigured packages. Error is initscript related |
| 16:04.30 | fennesz | yes its default |
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| 16:04.40 | fennesz | how can I automate this ? |
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| 16:04.49 | fennesz | gnome 3 btw |
| 16:04.58 | ilmaisin | hi, why is jessie's shutdown/reboot so slow |
| 16:05.15 | ilmaisin | i have a intel chipset so it should not be a hardware compatibility issue |
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| 16:05.31 | somiaj | ilmaisin: depends on your system and what sort of services you have installed. Seems fine on my system. |
| 16:05.45 | somiaj | ilmaisin: also depends on what you consider boot time, graphical envoriments can take a while to load, espically gnome3 |
| 16:06.03 | ilmaisin | somiaj: boot time is fine, shutdown time is not |
| 16:06.12 | mtn | fennesz, gnome does not have a screensaver by default. it might be your power settings |
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| 16:06.29 | fennesz | hmmm |
| 16:06.39 | ilmaisin | it hangs for many minutes when it should send the reboot command for bios |
| 16:06.47 | fennesz | ok by default I meant that I didn't install any 3party tools |
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| 16:07.07 | fennesz | i can disable it with dconf-editor |
| 16:07.12 | somiaj | ilmaisin: it could be you have some service that takes a while to shut down, or doesn't inform systemd it is shut down so systemd is waiting for it to shutdown and it eitehr takes a while or it waits for the full timeout before shutting down. |
| 16:07.28 | at0m | ilmaisin: what message does it display while waiting? fix that service... |
| 16:07.40 | somiaj | ilmaisin: on my machine it usually tells me what service it is wating for. |
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| 16:08.21 | somiaj | fennesz: then xset -dpms s off will turn off screen blanking. Not sure if it is best to run that in some .xsession file during the loading of your xsession or maybe use a xorg.conf.d snippet to disable it at start. |
| 16:08.34 | fennesz | I do it with org.gnome.destop.screensaver.idle-activation-enabled 0/1 |
| 16:08.43 | fennesz | but I would like an automated way |
| 16:08.44 | ilmaisin | somiaj: it shows nothing, if i disable silent from boot options, it will say something about kvm i think |
| 16:08.52 | ilmaisin | i blacklisted kvm modules, but nothing |
| 16:09.24 | fennesz | somiaj, I would like the idle-activation-enabled only when libflashplayer is running |
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| 16:09.45 | fennesz | the thing is I can't find libflashplayer with top for example |
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| 16:10.32 | somiaj | fennesz: because it is a lib that is loaded in your webbrowser, you could make a keybinding to turn it on/off |
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| 16:11.15 | ilmaisin | somiaj: now i unplugged my logitech usb headset and it started to work fine |
| 16:11.41 | ilmaisin | some really weird driver problem i think |
| 16:11.46 | fennesz | somiaj, yes I guess you re right . a keybinding could do , the thing is that I have to enable it everytime I am afk . Something you can easy forget and leave the computer for 3 hours or so |
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| 16:12.53 | at0m | burn-in was a CRT thing. |
| 16:13.21 | somiaj | fennesz: its more a power issue now days, most modern monintors shoudln't have burnin issues and if they do, turning them off for a few hours fixes it |
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| 16:13.37 | somiaj | fennesz: you can also change the timer to an hour |
| 16:13.44 | somiaj | fennesz: man xset for more info |
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| 16:13.46 | ImADogCowHarryPo | hello |
| 16:14.01 | fennesz | somiaj , thank you |
| 16:14.33 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i just downloaded debian, why is non-free everywhere on sources list? |
| 16:14.36 | ImADogCowHarryPo | what happened? |
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| 16:15.09 | ImADogCowHarryPo | does anyone know? |
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| 16:15.25 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: you must have missed an option during the install. There is an option that asks if you want to enable contrib/non-free and you must have hit 'yes'. There is also an option to enable jessie-backports in the installer |
| 16:15.50 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i didnt see that o.O |
| 16:15.50 | somiaj | my experince (But I only use the expert isntaller) was it asked if you wanted to add those options, it didn't do it by default. |
| 16:16.04 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i doubt it |
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| 16:16.20 | ImADogCowHarryPo | but yeah its possible ty |
| 16:16.57 | ImADogCowHarryPo | also one more thing |
| 16:17.24 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: but yes, the installer now asks if you want to enable those repos instead of requiring you do it by hand afterwards (that was my single experience testing this in a vm) |
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| 16:17.39 | ImADogCowHarryPo | my laptop overheats with debian, it stops when i install the driver from the companies website but everything else is fucked up |
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| 16:18.11 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i remember that checkbox but i didnt see it this time idk why |
| 16:18.25 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: what driver? |
| 16:18.26 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i used unetbooting maybe that has something to do with it idk... |
| 16:18.31 | ImADogCowHarryPo | amd hum |
| 16:18.41 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: the microcode? |
| 16:18.46 | at0m | ImADogCowHarryPo: if you want non-free out, just comment it out from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:18.54 | at0m | then apt update |
| 16:18.59 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i know that ty |
| 16:19.09 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i didnt install that driver yet |
| 16:19.13 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: if it is the microcode from amd you need, just install amd64-microcode from non-free |
| 16:19.15 | ImADogCowHarryPo | but ive done it many times before |
| 16:19.26 | ImADogCowHarryPo | oh ok ty som |
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| 16:19.41 | ImADogCowHarryPo | how do i know if it is the microcode? o.O |
| 16:20.05 | ImADogCowHarryPo | usually i search my hardware and drivers |
| 16:20.06 | somiaj | there is also an intel-microcode package. These packages contain microcode patches from the vendor that improve and correct processor behavior. |
| 16:20.15 | ImADogCowHarryPo | oh ok |
| 16:20.22 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: well I'm just guessing what the issue could be, you never told me 'what drivers you installed from upstream' |
| 16:20.48 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: but if the processor isn't correctly scaling down its clock speed (maybe that is what is causing the overheating) it could be just needing non-free microcode |
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| 16:20.56 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i dont remember but ill find them in a sec |
| 16:20.59 | somiaj | ImADogCowHarryPo: but being more clear on what is causing the over heating would help. |
| 16:21.14 | ImADogCowHarryPo | i think thats the problem |
| 16:21.15 | somiaj | again I just made a guess as to what the issue could be |
| 16:21.26 | ImADogCowHarryPo | if i watch a video it crashes |
| 16:21.33 | ImADogCowHarryPo | from overheating |
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| 16:22.09 | somiaj | that sounds like either bad video drivers (what video card) or just a poor design on the laptop...many overheat if not resting on a nice surface. |
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| 16:25.33 | JosephGamba | hi |
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| 16:26.18 | shaun_ | hello |
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| 16:26.30 | JosephGamba | I want to install Debian on my USB for booting, what file format should I set on it? FAT32, EXT2/3/4, ...? |
| 16:26.41 | shaun4133 | hello, how do I upgrade to the newest debian? |
| 16:26.43 | riki102 | hi i need help with xrdp server running on Debian Linux, and my problem is that is forces me to US english keyboard, allthough i tried to change the settings with xrdp-genkeymap none of those commands would have worked for me, i allways get an error : unable to open display ' ' |
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| 16:27.04 | riki102 | if there's someone that could talk with me on prviate |
| 16:27.08 | riki102 | private* thank you |
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| 16:27.12 | ImADogCowHarryPo | it crashed see |
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| 16:27.15 | ImADogCowHarryPo | lol |
| 16:27.20 | ImADogCowHarryPo | sry |
| 16:27.23 | at0m | dpkg: tell shaun4133 about upgrade |
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| 16:28.19 | somiaj | riki102: are you running this command from a console/ssh shell? You can specify the display variable, 'DISPLAY=":0" xrdp-genkeymap' |
| 16:29.22 | somiaj | JosephGamba: usb (though 3 is getting faster) is a very slow medium to put a root filesystem on. Would a live system suit your needs, maybe a live system + persistance between boots? |
| 16:29.28 | shaun4133 | ty |
| 16:30.18 | JosephGamba | somiaj: sorry if I might be confusing, I just want to make a USB bootable with Debian on it to install on a computer |
| 16:30.56 | somiaj | JosephGamba: so you have a debian .iso (either offical installer or live image) and want to put that onto a usb to isntall (not install on usb) gotchya. What os are you making this from? |
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| 16:31.24 | JosephGamba | somiaj: exactly. I'm already on Debian :) |
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| 16:31.58 | JosephGamba | somiaj: I don't remember what file format I used to make the usb that I used to install on my actual computer |
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| 16:32.12 | somiaj | JosephGamba: just copy the image to the correct drive, 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' (make sure you hit the drive sdX not sdX1, and make sure you use the right drive, this will destroy all data on it) |
| 16:32.34 | JosephGamba | yes somiaj, but what file format should I use? |
| 16:32.36 | somiaj | JosephGamba: the debian image contains a partition table, boot info and a filesystem, no need to make one, just copy the image onto the device. |
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| 16:32.50 | somiaj | JosephGamba: you are copying the image onto the device (you are not copying it onto a filesystem that is mounted) |
| 16:32.56 | JosephGamba | oh |
| 16:32.56 | somiaj | oh also make sure your usb is unmounted during this |
| 16:32.57 | ilmaisin | i moved the usb headset to the front panel and now it works fine, it has a different usb controller from different company i think |
| 16:32.58 | JosephGamba | got you! |
| 16:33.30 | JosephGamba | somiaj: I used to use dd for copying iso, is cp better? |
| 16:33.39 | WormFood | you can also use dd, such as "dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX", then in another window, you can do something like "while (killall -SIGUSR1 dd) ; sleep 10s ; done" to see how it progresses ;) |
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| 16:33.46 | somiaj | JosephGamba: they both do the same thing, cp has better defaults |
| 16:33.49 | WormFood | JosephGamba, cp or dd, both do the same thing |
| 16:34.01 | JosephGamba | alright |
| 16:34.01 | JosephGamba | thanks guys |
| 16:34.07 | somiaj | JosephGamba: dd's block size it reads/writes is not optimized in most cases |
| 16:34.10 | WormFood | somiaj, that is debatable. dd should get higher speed, with the right settings. |
| 16:34.14 | somiaj | but yes in the end they are about the same |
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| 16:34.29 | somiaj | WormFood: with the right settings is the key there, with defaults cp is slightly better. |
| 16:34.36 | WormFood | I usually set my block size. |
| 16:34.46 | WormFood | somiaj, I don't think you'll find that true in all cases. |
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| 16:35.11 | WormFood | I usually set my block size, when dealing with USB devices. |
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| 16:35.31 | WormFood | and the main reason I use DD, is because of SIGUSR1 |
| 16:36.00 | WormFood | cp can't show me how much it's copied. Sometimes I just pipe stuff through dd, just because it can show me how much it's already copied. |
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| 16:38.04 | Maz | Hi |
| 16:38.17 | WormFood | ä½ å¥½ Maz |
| 16:38.35 | Maz | How can I remove xtables-multi on debian 8.1 since its a nice fuck up, http://i.imgur.com/GKsIKJe.png |
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| 16:38.51 | Maz | Or atleast disable that bullshit |
| 16:39.08 | Maz | since iptables -w or --wait not even works |
| 16:39.13 | Maz | :> |
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| 16:39.33 | WormFood | and, did you try the -w option? |
| 16:39.37 | Maz | Yes |
| 16:39.48 | Maz | root@omg:~# iptables --wait |
| 16:39.48 | Maz | iptables v1.4.21: no command specified |
| 16:39.48 | Maz | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 16:39.48 | Maz | root@omg:~# iptables -w |
| 16:39.48 | Maz | iptables v1.4.21: no command specified |
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| 16:39.49 | WormFood | I don't see it on your screenshot. |
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| 16:39.52 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 16:40.00 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 16:40.14 | asterismo | i'm trying to start exim4 and i get this in the paniclog: socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned |
| 16:40.26 | asterismo | i do not have anyother email agent that i know of |
| 16:40.36 | asterismo | what other daemons could be running? |
| 16:40.37 | Maz | Do u got sendmail installed or what ever? |
| 16:40.37 | somiaj | Maz: I don't get that issue, what app do you have that is holding the xtables lock. Stop/remove that app. |
| 16:40.41 | Maz | Dat is using port 25? |
| 16:40.56 | Maz | Well there is no app doing dat |
| 16:40.59 | Maz | sshguard disabled |
| 16:41.06 | Maz | openvpnas disabled |
| 16:41.07 | Maz | :> |
| 16:41.15 | somiaj | asterismo: netstat -a will tell you what has the port opened. |
| 16:41.17 | WormFood | Maz, so why didn't you do iptables -L -w? |
| 16:41.30 | Maz | Heey dat is a nice idea |
| 16:41.35 | Maz | iptables -L |
| 16:41.40 | WormFood | do a netstat -nlp |
| 16:41.40 | Maz | root@omg:~# iptables -L |
| 16:41.40 | Maz | Another app is currently holding the xtables lock. Perhaps you want to use the -w option? |
| 16:41.43 | Maz | :> |
| 16:42.16 | asterismo | what is this? /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol |
| 16:42.24 | asterismo | i have uninstalled sendmail |
| 16:42.47 | WormFood | a sendmail config file, since you only uninstalled it, you didn't purge it, so the config file are still there. |
| 16:42.50 | Maz | /etc/init.d/sendmail-* "tab" stop |
| 16:42.56 | somiaj | asterismo: maybe the uninstall did not shut down the process correctly. |
| 16:43.13 | asterismo | wierd |
| 16:43.14 | asterismo | yes |
| 16:43.20 | asterismo | i installed it and then uninstalled it |
| 16:43.25 | asterismo | how do i fix this? |
| 16:43.31 | asterismo | like Maz said? |
| 16:43.37 | Maz | Since I upgraded my system from Debian 7 to Debian 8.1 I got this shit problem |
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| 16:43.45 | Maz | WormFood |
| 16:44.00 | Maz | Before u can use port 25 make sure sendmail isn;t using that port |
| 16:44.12 | WormFood | if sendmail is running, that should stop it. But really, you need to use netstat to see what has port 25 open. "netstat -nlp" will do that for you |
| 16:44.16 | Maz | By doing that is stoping it |
| 16:44.34 | WormFood | you're only assuming it's in use by sendmail. It could be anything holding it. |
| 16:44.47 | Maz | ps ax | grep sendmail asterismo for checking if its running |
| 16:44.50 | Maz | And then kill it |
| 16:44.54 | Maz | kill -9 ID |
| 16:44.57 | Maz | or |
| 16:45.06 | Maz | killall sendmail/sendmail-bladiebla |
| 16:45.16 | WormFood | once again Maz, you're assuming too much. |
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| 16:45.22 | Maz | No |
| 16:45.24 | WormFood | first, see what is holding port 25 open. |
| 16:45.35 | WormFood | What evidence do you have that he is running sendmail? |
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| 16:45.40 | Maz | Well normally with no firewall every port is open |
| 16:45.49 | Maz | ps ax | grep ... <<< |
| 16:45.49 | WormFood | the leftover config files? |
| 16:46.08 | WormFood | why look for sendmail, when you want to know what is using port 25? |
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| 16:46.27 | Maz | Well he said that sendmail is still installed |
| 16:46.30 | WormFood | you're going about it all wrong. First, see what process is using port 25...then go from there. |
| 16:46.36 | WormFood | he said he uninstalled it |
| 16:46.52 | WormFood | [00:43:20] <asterismo> i installed it and then uninstalled it |
| 16:47.05 | Maz | Oké care but how do I disable dis xtables shit lock? |
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| 16:47.24 | WormFood | first, find out what is holding the lock, then kill it. |
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| 16:47.34 | Maz | Well thats the problem |
| 16:47.43 | Maz | I don't got a app running now thats using the iptables |
| 16:47.46 | WormFood | lsof is your friend |
| 16:47.52 | WormFood | :P |
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| 16:47.59 | WormFood | I have no idea what to look for |
| 16:48.08 | WormFood | I've never seen an error like this with iptables. |
| 16:48.16 | Maz | Mauwhapospjogsdh |
| 16:48.17 | Maz | flj |
| 16:48.24 | Maz | A tip then |
| 16:48.32 | Maz | Do not upgrade to Debian 8.x |
| 16:48.34 | WormFood | I suggest you do an lsof -n|less and /search for iptables, as a starting point |
| 16:48.42 | WormFood | I've had no problems with Debian 8 |
| 16:48.52 | WormFood | I upgraded from 7, which in turn was upgraded from 6 |
| 16:49.06 | Maz | http://pastebin.com/85VuP4KQ |
| 16:49.24 | Maz | I think the problem is in that script :> |
| 16:49.26 | WormFood | so, what do you have, that could possibly be keeping keeping iptables locked? Could it be a stale lock? |
| 16:49.29 | somiaj | Maz: something has locked xtables. Trying to find the location of the lock, but from what I read they are using a socket approach so it is cleaned up even if the program exits abnormally. But not finding much more info that that. |
| 16:49.38 | WormFood | I'm sorry, I can't see that. I'm in China. Pastebin is blocked here. |
| 16:49.38 | somiaj | Maz: something is locking xtables, so got to figure out what. |
| 16:49.47 | riki102 | anyone here that would know how I change keyboard layout setting for xrdp that's giving me error |
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| 16:50.09 | riki102 | says unable to open display : ' ' |
| 16:50.10 | Maz | Here, WormFood, http://p.maz.rocks/paste/55edc03e5b182 |
| 16:50.19 | somiaj | WormFood: I can't seem to find a lock file, looks like they went with using a lock socket because that should clean up even if a program exits badly. Maybe he has a defunct process or something keeping the socket open. |
| 16:50.42 | Maz | How long does that takes somiaj? |
| 16:50.55 | Maz | It just gives me the mood to kill my self |
| 16:51.17 | somiaj | Maz: I don't know, since it doesn't use a lock file you can't just check to see what has the lock file open, trying to find out how to determine what App is causing the lock |
| 16:51.23 | WormFood | Maz, that is the script you're using? |
| 16:51.25 | pron | jmcnaught: well regarding my grub issue, it was my bios, grub did see only one drive. i had to configure ide in bios in some "compatible mode", so it can see my sata drives also as ide drives |
| 16:51.35 | Maz | Yes, to add ip's into the iptables |
| 16:51.39 | Maz | To block them |
| 16:51.42 | Maz | Proxy's and etc |
| 16:51.52 | pron | jmcnaught: and i had one drive configured that way, so thats why i kinda saw it with grub :D |
| 16:51.59 | pron | jmcnaught: anyways thx for ur time =) |
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| 16:53.43 | somiaj | Maz: it looks like there is a socket named 'xtables' from what I can tell, try to find it in netstat -a, maybe netstat -a | grep xtables will help |
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| 16:54.04 | Maz | Oké thq |
| 16:54.50 | jmcnaught | pron: oh i see, i'm glad you got it working. had your BIOS been configured in some sort of fakeraid? In general it's best to ignore any RAID settings in the BIOS and just have your disks in AHCI or SATA mode. Anyways cheers! |
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| 16:55.10 | pron | jmcnaught: no its ahci |
| 16:55.22 | somiaj | http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/245688/ -- that describes what xtables is using for locking, it is using an 'abstract socket' I think called xtables |
| 16:55.29 | WormFood | also add -n to the netstat options. It makes it much faster |
| 16:55.30 | pron | but there is ide configuration where it also shows them as ide drives |
| 16:55.36 | pron | jmcnaught: weird stuff |
| 16:56.13 | pron | jmcnaught: also i am not new with lunix and debian , snould be 10+ y ) |
| 16:56.20 | Maz | netstat -a | grep xtables gives me nothing and thq for the link i will read it |
| 16:56.27 | pron | before it was fbsd and obsd |
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| 16:57.13 | Maz | WormFood, is there a problem with my script or something? |
| 16:57.25 | pron | jmcnaught: and system sees only sata drives tho |
| 16:57.33 | jmcnaught | pron: yeah that is strange. so are the physical volumes showing up now as /dev/hd? instead of /dev/sd? now? |
| 16:57.34 | WormFood | It looks fine to me. I don't see any reason why it'd cause any problems. |
| 16:57.34 | somiaj | Maz: the other option is instead of something have created the xtables socket, the program is not able to create the xtables socket and fails (with that generic error). Could you have a custom kernel or something blocking the program from creating an abstract socket? |
| 16:57.35 | pron | usualy crying in irc helps somehow |
| 16:57.49 | pron | just sda-d |
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| 16:57.59 | Maz | I have idd a custom kernel |
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| 16:58.04 | WormFood | pron, those are the regular linux names. |
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| 16:58.10 | pron | aye |
| 16:58.10 | Maz | somiaj |
| 16:58.17 | WormFood | pron, technically, you're speaking scsi to your drive. |
| 16:58.19 | somiaj | Maz: maybe you have disabled abstract sockets in your custom kernel configuration. |
| 16:58.21 | pron | WormFood: there was issues yesterday with grub etc |
| 16:58.32 | Maz | Or else I would have the soyoustart.com kernel |
| 16:58.34 | jmcnaught | pron: i dunno.. good that it's working i guess |
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| 16:58.37 | pron | yeh |
| 16:58.38 | Maz | Uhg |
| 16:58.40 | Maz | >.< |
| 16:58.40 | somiaj | Maz: could you try with a default debian kernel and see if you get the same problem. |
| 16:58.40 | pron | took tons of time |
| 16:58.55 | pron | and i didnt see that cuase one drive was configured in that mode somehow |
| 16:59.08 | pron | dumb intel bios |
| 16:59.15 | pron | its ss4200 so |
| 16:59.16 | somiaj | Maz: just a debug suggestion, at least then you konw what the problem is. |
| 16:59.25 | pron | if some comes and cries about that issue u know now :D |
| 16:59.30 | WormFood | Intel doesn't make most of their BIOSes. I believe most of them are Phoenix. |
| 16:59.35 | Maz | The default kernel for my system is a modded kernel by soyoustart.com |
| 16:59.35 | pron | yeh |
| 16:59.38 | pron | must be |
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| 16:59.48 | Maz | This kernel is the default for debian 8.1 |
| 16:59.49 | WormFood | I do believe they made the bios for my motherboard |
| 16:59.50 | pron | the device is intel :P |
| 16:59.55 | pron | and decision to eol |
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| 16:59.59 | pron | and supp is intels tho |
| 17:00.02 | Maz | root@omg:~# uname -a |
| 17:00.02 | Maz | Linux omg.you.are.such.a.fag.hello2.us 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:00.14 | pron | anyways im happy now |
| 17:00.22 | pron | smiles and waves |
| 17:00.25 | Maz | root@omg:~# uname -r |
| 17:00.25 | Maz | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 17:01.14 | Maz | Turk ;| |
| 17:01.18 | WormFood | same kernel I'm running |
| 17:01.22 | WormFood | different host name tho |
| 17:01.26 | Maz | xD |
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| 17:01.41 | WormFood | woot! Flood time |
| 17:02.04 | Maz | And lsof | grep xtables gives me also blank |
| 17:02.18 | Maz | No |
| 17:02.19 | Maz | Wait |
| 17:02.33 | Maz | root@omg:~# lsof | grep xtables |
| 17:02.33 | Maz | iptables 1835 root txt REG 9,2 87728 953 /sbin/xtables-multi |
| 17:02.33 | Maz | iptables 1835 root mem REG 9,2 10472 926258 /lib/xtables/libipt_LOG.so |
| 17:02.33 | Maz | iptables 1835 root mem REG 9,2 14624 926246 /lib/xtables/libxt_tcp.so |
| 17:02.33 | Maz | iptables 1835 root mem REG 9,2 10464 926252 /lib/xtables/libxt_udp.so |
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| 17:02.33 | WormFood | I suggest "lsof -n"...it's faster |
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| 17:02.37 | Maz | Penis |
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| 17:06.05 | Maz | wdh |
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| 17:06.33 | MeatPopsicle | Anyone have any luck installing Steam with Play On Linux in Debian? I can get to the steam setup but the window never opens, stays really tiny |
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| 17:07.00 | WormFood | MeatPopsicle, what version of debian? 8? |
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| 17:07.05 | Maz | somiaj, the iptables works WormFood |
| 17:07.08 | Maz | It was a dns problem |
| 17:07.12 | WormFood | oh really? |
| 17:07.14 | Maz | Yes |
| 17:07.16 | Maz | Like dafuq |
| 17:07.16 | WormFood | interesting |
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| 17:07.21 | Maz | The ssh was also slow as fuck |
| 17:07.24 | WormFood | I try to avoid dns when possible. |
| 17:07.39 | Maz | Got already an system manager working on it |
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| 17:07.49 | Maz | Since it was making me so crazy |
| 17:07.56 | WormFood | when the IP address on my server changes (I have to change it, because I get blocked in China), I just change my hosts file. fuck dns! |
| 17:08.06 | MeatPopsicle | WormFood yes |
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| 17:08.18 | MeatPopsicle | WormFood 8 LXDE |
| 17:08.21 | Maz | I am blocking the chinese proxy's on my server |
| 17:08.25 | Maz | Sorry WormFood :( |
| 17:08.30 | WormFood | I don't care. |
| 17:08.32 | Maz | xD |
| 17:08.35 | WormFood | I'm not Chinese |
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| 17:08.39 | Maz | :o |
| 17:08.42 | WormFood | and I don'r run a proxy |
| 17:08.53 | WormFood | well, I do run a proxy, but my server is in Japan. |
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| 17:09.06 | WormFood | and my proxy is ONLY accessible from my vpn. |
| 17:09.59 | Maz | Hell yeah! |
| 17:10.00 | Maz | http://i.imgur.com/G8cTyeS.png |
| 17:10.02 | WormFood | but i am frustrated with these shit websites who block the whole of China. That's pretty fuckin' rude! |
| 17:10.22 | Maz | U wanna use a vpn whats located in France? |
| 17:10.24 | Maz | Paris? |
| 17:10.37 | Maz | 4.23.207.50 |
| 17:10.39 | WormFood | I doubt I can, unless you're running a modified openvpn |
| 17:10.44 | Maz | 94.23.207.50 |
| 17:10.51 | Maz | I am running openvpn-as |
| 17:11.24 | WormFood | stock openvpn is blocked in China. They do DPI to detect it, and block it. Change the port, and try again too many times, and they'll just block the whole IP. This has happened to me several times, but they can't detect I'm running openvpn. |
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| 17:11.36 | Maz | Damn |
| 17:11.41 | Maz | Sorry but china sucks |
| 17:12.08 | WormFood | they can't detect I'm running openvpn, but I STILL get blocked, about every 6-9 months. Linode is super good about assigning me a new IP when that happens. |
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| 17:12.23 | WormFood | sometimes I get my IP blocked, and I'm back in less than an hour. |
| 17:12.57 | WormFood | and I'm trying, to figure out how to get my damn IP unblocked here. (my server has 2 ips) |
| 17:13.13 | Maz | My server has 10 IP's v4 |
| 17:13.26 | Maz | :P |
| 17:13.29 | WormFood | I have a legitimate Chinese business license, and they're blocking my damn server! That is very frustrating. |
| 17:13.32 | Maz | Also an anti ddos |
| 17:13.33 | Maz | :$ |
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| 17:13.48 | Maz | Locate ur server somewhere else? |
| 17:13.52 | Maz | Maybe in Europe? |
| 17:14.23 | WormFood | You know facebook is blocked in China, right? For a long time, it wasn't really blocked. They just blocked the dns, but if you added facebook's ip to your hosts file, and used https, you could still go there...this worked up until earlier this year. |
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| 17:15.07 | Maz | Turkije is attacking this domain already for 4 months http://kurd.rocks/ |
| 17:15.16 | Maz | And still is running like a carm |
| 17:15.17 | noxturno | hey guys I just did a fresh install of Debian 8.1 stable (Jessie) I cant seem to be able to use wget I get cert error how do I fix this ? |
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| 17:15.27 | WormFood | same thing with Youtube. If you add about 200 entries to your hosts file, and use https, you can see youtube, but not the videos (maybe if you login, it will use https for the videos, I don't know, I didn't care enough to try) |
| 17:15.50 | Maz | Turkije is doing the same, they blocked this year facebook there |
| 17:15.55 | Maz | They also blocked youtube |
| 17:15.58 | WormFood | Danishman, --no-check-certificate |
| 17:16.09 | WormFood | where? |
| 17:16.18 | Maz | xD |
| 17:16.23 | noxturno | WormFood: where do I put --no-check-certificate ? |
| 17:16.25 | Maz | LOL |
| 17:16.29 | WormFood | oops, that was for noxturno |
| 17:16.32 | Maz | SSH |
| 17:16.33 | WormFood | on the command line |
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| 17:16.52 | noxturno | can you make an example ? sorry very newb |
| 17:16.58 | WormFood | wget --whatever-options http://some.url.com |
| 17:17.10 | Maz | LOL |
| 17:17.11 | Maz | :( |
| 17:17.19 | noxturno | gotcha |
| 17:17.25 | Maz | He got it |
| 17:18.00 | MeatPopsicle | WormFood any tips for Steamunder Play On Linux? |
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| 17:18.13 | noxturno | only thing tho why when I had debian 7 whezzy I didnt have this cert thing pop up |
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| 17:18.18 | WormFood | What is kinda funny, is the fact that when I first came to China, youtube wasn't blocked, but wikipedia was. |
| 17:18.37 | noxturno | where did you stay in china WormFood ? |
| 17:18.40 | WormFood | now they just block specific pages, usually by keyword. |
| 17:18.57 | Maz | :P |
| 17:19.02 | WormFood | like for example, I can't load the whole wikipedia page on chinese internet censorship, because too many keywords. |
| 17:19.18 | Maz | LOL |
| 17:19.23 | WormFood | noxturno, æå¨æ·±å³ I'm in Shenzhen |
| 17:20.25 | noxturno | WormFood: my wife is chinese , she went back after living in the states most of her highschool years , it was hard for her to get used to the censorship |
| 17:21.14 | Maz | XD |
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| 17:21.32 | WormFood | when xkcd did a tribute to geocities, when geocities shutdown, xkcd was blocked, after I loaded the first page. xkcd made their pages look like a typical geocities page. It was rather funny, but more funny to see it get blocked because of it. |
| 17:21.38 | WormFood | noxturno, where is she from? |
| 17:21.42 | Maz | We holland has no censorship |
| 17:21.57 | WormFood | you do Maz, it's just censored, so you don't know. |
| 17:22.04 | Maz | They check for basic keywords that u look |
| 17:22.12 | Maz | Like child porn example |
| 17:22.27 | Maz | Nope |
| 17:22.28 | Maz | :P |
| 17:22.36 | ImADogCowHarryPo | lol sure |
| 17:22.57 | WormFood | people tell me usa government is better than the chinese government. I tell them, they're just different shades of the same color. They're same thing. It's just that usa government is better about hiding the bad things they do. |
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| 17:23.04 | Maz | USA ? |
| 17:23.08 | Maz | ur joking right/ |
| 17:23.09 | Maz | xD |
| 17:23.10 | Maz | ?XD |
| 17:23.15 | WormFood | I'm from USA |
| 17:23.19 | Maz | Good for u |
| 17:23.21 | ImADogCowHarryPo | (snowden...) |
| 17:23.25 | Maz | We don't like USA |
| 17:23.26 | Maz | xD |
| 17:23.30 | ImADogCowHarryPo | why not |
| 17:23.38 | Maz | Well example the WTC |
| 17:23.40 | WormFood | "we" who? You have a mouse in your pocket? |
| 17:23.42 | Maz | Was no terrorists |
| 17:23.48 | ImADogCowHarryPo | lol |
| 17:23.51 | Maz | Americunts asn't in a warm |
| 17:23.53 | Maz | Americunts asn't in a war |
| 17:23.57 | Maz | wasn't* |
| 17:24.10 | jmcnaught | maybe the offtopic discussion could move to #debian-offtopic or elsewhere? this is a support channel. |
| 17:24.11 | WormFood | it was too terrorists, it's just that the terrorists are people inside my government. |
| 17:24.13 | Maz | Its like the world leaders fap on wars |
| 17:24.22 | Maz | and they profit on war |
| 17:24.23 | WormFood | you're absolutely right jmcnaught |
| 17:24.30 | ImADogCowHarryPo | the government used debian to takedown the twin towers |
| 17:24.31 | Maz | :( |
| 17:24.35 | Maz | xD |
| 17:24.39 | Maz | What ImADogCowHarryPo says |
| 17:24.39 | Maz | xD |
| 17:24.45 | ImADogCowHarryPo | o.O |
| 17:24.48 | Maz | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:24.49 | Maz | xD |
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| 17:25.15 | noxturno | WormFood: I forgot the name , dont tell her tho |
| 17:25.28 | Maz | But bb |
| 17:25.29 | Maz | :X |
| 17:25.45 | Maz | Gonna eat my system is fixed |
| 17:25.52 | Maz | Thq! XD |
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| 17:26.08 | ImADogCowHarryPo | bon appetit |
| 17:26.13 | Maz | Thq |
| 17:26.58 | MeatPopsicle | WormFood I would say the US government is worse, Chinese gov is at least in the open about their activities, the US gov in words espouses freedom and claims it is the freest nation on earth meanwhile the NSA and such are spying on the US |
| 17:27.08 | WormFood | noxturno, I'm right next door to HK. Shenzhen used to be the biggest city you never heard of, but since all the foxcon suicides here, Shenzhen has been in the news lately, so now more people know the name (but I bet the non-chinese news casters butcher the name) |
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| 17:27.33 | WormFood | guys, if we're gonna continue discussion along these lines, then lets take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:28.24 | WormFood | actually, I feel it's ok, until the first legit on-topic discussion comes up...but others dont' feel the same way |
| 17:28.55 | ImADogCowHarryPo | its ok for me |
| 17:29.03 | ImADogCowHarryPo | (im new here, hai everyone) |
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| 17:30.39 | webdawg | I have been trying to import a CA cert into iceweasel and it does not reconize that it is there. This works in firefox on archlinux and on chrome on the debian box. I cannot get iceweasel to reconize the ca that I just imported in its preferences. Any ideas? |
| 17:30.50 | noxturno | WormFood: she is from yang jiang |
| 17:30.55 | noxturno | muhaha I found out |
| 17:31.22 | WormFood | can you give that to me in Chinese characters? |
| 17:31.33 | WormFood | é³æ± I'm guessing |
| 17:31.36 | webdawg | MeatPopsicle: the Chinese government is not in the open. It was only recently that they publicly admitted that the great firewall existed. |
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| 17:34.26 | noxturno | WormFood: yep you are right |
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| 17:35.09 | WormFood | I may have been there before. I'd have to look on a map to be sure. I've been to well over 50 different cities here. Probably close to 100. |
| 17:36.06 | WormFood | I've been to such remote places, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I was the first foreigner ever there. I've had people tell me, I was the first foreigner they've ever seen in real life. |
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| 17:36.56 | mtn | WormFood, could you tell me where to find the on-topic debian channel (sarcasm) |
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| 17:37.23 | Maz | For a cookie I will tel it to you mtn |
| 17:37.27 | Maz | ll |
| 17:37.28 | WormFood | mtn, your comment is off-topic :P |
| 17:37.39 | Maz | His face is off-topic :( |
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| 17:38.27 | MeatPopsicle | So Anyone have any idea why Stem under Play On Linux isnt working? I cant even install it |
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| 17:38.42 | WormFood | I thought you said before it was just really small. |
| 17:39.00 | WormFood | From what you said previously, I was under the impression that you got it to install, but not run properly. |
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| 17:40.01 | ImADogCowHarryPo | does anyone know a good nasm tutorial? |
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| 17:40.14 | MeatPopsicle | It says setting it up but it never installs WorfFood |
| 17:40.18 | MeatPopsicle | WormFood |
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| 17:42.11 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 17:42.20 | asterismo | i still having this issue: socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned |
| 17:42.26 | asterismo | i cannot get exim4 to work |
| 17:42.36 | valdyn | asterismo: so what is using that port? |
| 17:42.44 | asterismo | what other mail daemons could be interfering? |
| 17:43.03 | valdyn | asterismo: we cant know, you can check |
| 17:43.21 | asterismo | valdyn: how do i check this? |
| 17:43.28 | valdyn | asterismo: netstat -plunt |
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| 17:46.04 | jelly | asterismo: netstat -tpan|grep :25|grep LISTEN |
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| 17:48.50 | asterismo | jelly: http://pastebin.oalm.gub.uy/view/b953f4a8 |
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| 17:51.17 | jelly | asterismo: well there you are, leftover exim4 processes from before |
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| 17:52.22 | jelly | asterismo: kill 16095, verify it died, then try starting the service again |
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| 17:57.17 | MeatPopsicle | Steam shows the Steam Setup tile on the bar, I am letting it run longer but there is no way to see if there are other confirmations to hit since the window will not come up fullsize |
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| 17:58.14 | MeatPopsicle | I cant get it to where I can see it |
| 17:59.01 | petemc | holding down control before clicking window may allow you to drag it |
| 17:59.21 | MeatPopsicle | I can move it just not maximize it let me try though |
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| 18:00.29 | petemc | if control doesnt work try alt clicking it, or alt f10 may work to maximise it |
| 18:01.04 | MeatPopsicle | I tried right clicking it and maximizing it too and that didnt work |
| 18:01.05 | mkare | can the r8169 driver still cause network problems with a current 2.6 kernel? |
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| 18:02.35 | mkare | my prod server got stuck for the 2nd time this week |
| 18:02.45 | mkare | and support @ the datacenter told me to replace it with r8168 |
| 18:03.02 | Iridos | judd, versions xchat |
| 18:03.04 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; stretch: 2.8.8-7.3; sid: 2.8.8-7.3; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3 |
| 18:03.07 | Iridos | judd, versions hexchat |
| 18:03.08 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; sid: 2.10.2-1+b1; stretch: 2.10.2-1+b1 |
| 18:03.20 | Maz | kernel:[1230965.416310] do_IRQ: 3.77 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
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| 18:13.49 | MeatPopsicle | Steam still is giving me trouble -____- |
| 18:14.45 | MeatPopsicle | wont maximize -____- |
| 18:14.58 | shay_shay | MeatPopsicle: maybe you'll have better luck in #playonlinux |
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| 18:15.03 | MeatPopsicle | any way to install the windows games from the Linux Steam Client? |
| 18:15.14 | unborn | wished long time how to use computer for games heh but too old now.. cannot understand it |
| 18:15.33 | shay_shay | i'm too old to play games |
| 18:15.38 | shay_shay | i want to make games |
| 18:15.39 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, sure, install virtualbox, windows and install the game |
| 18:15.43 | unborn | s |
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| 18:16.18 | babilen | MeatPopsicle: I'd recommend to ask in #steamlug or #playonlinux |
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| 18:17.46 | unborn | steam have some native client MeatPopsicle but for support with it I guess you need to talk to steam team.. I am sorry for my low knowledge about the games but I don't think so we use machines mainly for games here eh? |
| 18:18.57 | MeatPopsicle | uborn its all good, I want both clients but only the linux one will cooperate lol |
| 18:19.06 | babilen | Yes, which is why I recommended #steamlug and #playonlinux -- I simply know that in order to get steam I'd follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Steam, but given that I have no interest in it whatsoever, I can't really support it |
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| 18:19.19 | shay_shay | MeatPopsicle: you need to goto #playonlinux for support for their software |
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| 18:20.01 | babilen | And wine really is horrible |
| 18:20.07 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, I saw people playing things from steam on linux.. native installed client but since games are like tv sort of boring shows for me, I am sorry |
| 18:20.18 | webdawg | What is the proper procedure to import a ca certificate in debian? I tried importing strait into iceweasel and it does not work? |
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| 18:20.47 | unborn | dont even go the wine way.. virtualizacion works mil. times better |
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| 18:21.24 | MeatPopsicle | I have the Linux client but the main reason I want the windows one is some games are windows only and I cant install them from the Linux client even though I could use Wine or PlayOnLinux to play them |
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| 18:22.02 | shay_shay | you're missing the point, this is the wrong channel to get help |
| 18:22.15 | shay_shay | it's kinda like me asking obscure questions about vim in here |
| 18:22.28 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, ah I understand you. That is not possible I think. You will be able to play with your account on both platforms but install will be separated for both oses |
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| 18:23.04 | unborn | thats all I know MeatPopsicle perhaps you need to email to steam or if they have any channels.. visit them and ask there. |
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| 18:24.13 | asterismo | well, the error is because i have exim4 configured as local |
| 18:24.13 | unborn | shay_shay, exactly as you are saying, however if we know vim, we can also always give a help about it.. at least short one ;) |
| 18:24.15 | webdawg | wtf |
| 18:24.23 | asterismo | should i configure as smarthost? or internet site? |
| 18:25.15 | shay_shay | unborn: that was a bad example... i should have said emacs |
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| 18:25.41 | shay_shay | noone uses that right :D |
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| 18:26.25 | unborn | shay_shay, lolz im old school simple nano meh but that was not correct example either |
| 18:26.59 | shay_shay | well the best example is playonlinux |
| 18:27.58 | unborn | shay_shay, I would really like to help those young people to get boring games on but there is no point.. after few times you will play, you will get bored to dead so - some python or some php would be much more fun |
| 18:28.24 | somiaj | MeatPopsicle: have you checked the app database for wine, they usually have the versions/tips/tricks needed to get things to run in wine. |
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| 18:32.01 | unborn | shay_shay, windows 10 :D |
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| 18:38.33 | ngc0202` | Hi I'm having trouble downloading Debian.. I get the requested URL was not found on this server |
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| 18:39.12 | dvs | ngc0202`: 8.2.0 is now out, not 8.1.0 |
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| 18:39.13 | somiaj | ngc0202`: the 8.2 cd images are still being tested. Just replace 8.2 with 8.1 in the link and install from the 8.1 image |
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| 18:40.19 | ngc0202` | Ok |
| 18:40.20 | somiaj | oops, other way around.I should keep up, anyways follow this link ngc0202` http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.2.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 18:40.33 | ngc0202` | Nothing comes up |
| 18:40.34 | TechChristoph | Is it possible to put debian on a toshiba-notebook ? |
| 18:40.42 | swift110-phone | Likely |
| 18:40.53 | TechChristoph | My notebook says no ;( |
| 18:40.55 | dvs | TechChristoph: I'm using one now! |
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| 18:41.11 | somiaj | TechChristoph: depends on the notebook, but debian will run most of the hardware on lots of notebooks. Really the question is more if the hardware is supported by the linux kernel. |
| 18:42.04 | TechChristoph | somiaj do you use jessy ? |
| 18:42.35 | RoyK | (or jessie) |
| 18:42.47 | somiaj | TechChristoph: What isn't working with your isntall, what hardware is in the notebook, you should provide info like that. |
| 18:43.26 | hawai`i | He should just install it. 90% of the hardware will out OOB, I bet. |
| 18:43.39 | TechChristoph | Ok i try it again and post the errors |
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| 18:50.06 | hit_ | Hi guys, my motherboard died today and I order a new one. Problem is it has this UEFI thing, will I have any problems when I plug my drives and boot? |
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| 18:51.53 | RoyK | hit_: you might need to reinstall the OS - always keep it separate from the data... |
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| 18:53.10 | hit_ | RoyK: ok I was afraid it wont let me boot debian or something, I read bad things about it |
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| 18:54.44 | dvs | hit_: I thought UEFI board have a BIOS mode but I could be wrong. |
| 18:55.08 | sussudio | http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/903500 2015 and it has a) telnet open b) root login with default password |
| 18:55.12 | sussudio | nice going, seagate. |
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| 18:56.47 | hit_ | dvs: I will try to switch it, I was trying to avoid the UEFI but I coulnt find a motherboard without it anymore :( |
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| 18:57.48 | kenalex | hello |
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| 18:58.58 | unborn | hit_, there is always solution :) you can copy data with live dvd out to external hdd and then after you reinstall your system on your new mb then just copy it back.. |
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| 19:00.38 | kenalex | is there something wroong with the debian site. i keep getting a 404 page when i try to download the netinstall |
| 19:00.43 | unborn | hit_, I suggest you to do this time separate /home partition.. simply said create partition about 20gigs give it usage as / and then create /home - give it as much free space as you need but keep free space for swap (same amount as ram) and then from rest of the free space create swap.. hit install and you done.. |
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| 19:01.01 | unborn | kenalex, link please? |
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| 19:01.22 | jhutchins | hit_: You should not have to do a full reinstall, but you will probably need to modify the bootloader, and you might need to create an EFI partition. |
| 19:01.26 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 19:01.26 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 19:01.55 | jhutchins | hit_: I think there's info on the wiki about the components you'll need. |
| 19:02.04 | kenalex | unborn : http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:02.08 | unborn | hit_, in case of new resintall you just reformat "/" partition and all your settings and files will be still there |
| 19:02.50 | webdawg | the date was wrong on the client system |
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| 19:02.56 | unborn | kenalex, that iso is no longer there |
| 19:03.01 | unborn | kenalex, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.2.0/ |
| 19:03.24 | unborn | 8.2.x instead of 8.1.x |
| 19:04.09 | kenalex | thanks |
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| 19:04.19 | ngc0202` | somiaj: I put that iso on a flash drive, but it won't boot |
| 19:04.43 | somiaj | how did you put it ona flashdrive? |
| 19:04.58 | ngc0202` | "ISO to USB" program |
| 19:05.17 | ngc0202` | Set it as bootable |
| 19:06.08 | somiaj | what program? |
| 19:06.15 | hit_ | thanks guys, /home is on a different partition but I have a lot of scripts and configurations I made during the years and they are scattered on / hope it will be enough to copy /etc and /usr/local hehe |
| 19:06.17 | ngc0202` | That's what it's called |
| 19:06.28 | somiaj | ngc0202`: what os are you running this program on? |
| 19:06.36 | felixr | Anyone did a install of debian 8 with sssd ? i get an error everytime i sudo( : problem with defaults entries ; TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/root ) and my samba now throws segfaults since i installed sssd |
| 19:06.37 | ngc0202` | Windows |
| 19:06.47 | hit_ | jhutchins: ok I will check it out if I can do it |
| 19:06.48 | unborn | hit_, defo! |
| 19:06.51 | somiaj | !win32diskimager |
| 19:06.51 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 19:07.10 | somiaj | ngc0202`: use that program, you want to write an image (not do some fancy stuff to make it bootable) |
| 19:07.25 | ngc0202` | ok |
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| 19:08.04 | unborn | ngc0202`, personally use unetbootin if you can.. I shall say I had massive problems with netinstall on usb.. for some reason it did not worked for me meh.. install went smooth but after reboot no joy.. |
| 19:08.32 | somiaj | unetbootin is known to cause problems with debian images. |
| 19:09.29 | unborn | ngc0202`, that was happening with fresh install of jessie, but since then two versions was released so it was maybe sorted already. Just want to tell you that if your system will fail to boot up after install and reboot, you may just burn iso on cd and process it as usual. |
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| 19:09.50 | unborn | somiaj, heh I am sorry but I had no idea about this.. |
| 19:09.51 | ngc0202` | I don't have CDs.. who uses CDs? |
| 19:10.05 | unborn | ngc0202`, everyone :D |
| 19:10.15 | BuFF | hi, is it bad thing to give "ldap" hostname to the ldap server? |
| 19:10.24 | unborn | ...only if you must use them.. otherwise not |
| 19:10.43 | somiaj | unborn: read the factoid, we suggest using win32diskimager -- programs that copy the contents of the image and try to make it bootable sometimes fail with the debian isos (Since they are already bootable) |
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| 19:12.09 | felixr | or go with yumi http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 19:12.32 | unborn | somiaj, aha.. so to follow your direction would be easier to just use img to usb.. (in simple wording) - ah moron I am.. I shall tried this before meh.. thank you for updating me with this.. I had really no idea unetbootin can get crappy with debs isos. |
| 19:14.09 | jmcnaught | felixr: the home page for yumi you just linked to has an important note that it is not supported for installers. in this channel please recommend win32diskimager for windows users to avoid possible difficult to diagnose programs :) |
| 19:14.17 | somiaj | unborn: on a *nix system you can just cp (or dd) the image right on the device. |
| 19:14.48 | jmcnaught | s/programs/problems/ #too hot |
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| 19:15.36 | felixr | jmcnaught: yeah to just install a distro thats as easy as it can get :o. sorry |
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| 19:16.08 | unborn | somiaj, yeah I just realised this as I was typing to you regards img to usb.. I dont use windows so some win32 was giving me weird look ( I use windows only for AD, PS but thats all ). Anyway I should had realised this long time ago. Thank you! |
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| 19:23.07 | frankie4 | Is unetbootin no longer supported? I'm sure I grabbed it from repositories in wheezy |
| 19:23.44 | somiaj | frankie4: it is not relaiable in creating a bootable usb from the debian.iso's. As a piece of software it can work with other iso's and is still provided in debian. |
| 19:23.48 | jmcnaught | frankie4: unetbootin often breaks debian installer images in subtle hard to notice ways. |
| 19:24.06 | frankie4 | oh ok |
| 19:24.19 | somiaj | so sure the software is available, but it is not suggested you use it for debian installer isos. |
| 19:24.25 | ngc0202` | ok this worked |
| 19:24.37 | frankie4 | So what method is suggested now for debian isos? |
| 19:24.49 | ngc0202` | I'm at partition disks and I'm dual booting and already made a partition for debian, how do I tell it to use that? |
| 19:24.50 | somiaj | frankie4: use cp or dd on *nix, win32diskimagaer on win32 |
| 19:25.00 | jmcnaught | and when unetbootin (and others like it) get recommended here, it often causes a lot of frustration for the new user trying to install |
| 19:25.10 | babilen | "cp /path/to/the/iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick |
| 19:25.14 | frankie4 | oh i see fair enough |
| 19:25.21 | somiaj | ngc0202`: you should get a bunch of options and one should be manual or select partition to use. |
| 19:25.30 | ngc0202` | yeah I clicked that |
| 19:25.42 | ngc0202` | i'm confused about the next step |
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| 19:26.20 | bolt | I have a machine on which the onboard HDMI port only displays an image if there was a screen connected at boot time. Any tips on how I could tell it to display an image there after booting with none? Console only, no X, no other graphics card. Asus Gene somethingsomething motherboard. |
| 19:26.25 | unborn | somiaj, it works like kiss :) thanks! |
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| 19:26.56 | frankie4 | somiaj, babilen, thankyou both for your help. |
| 19:27.26 | felixr | ping; did anyone install debian 8 with sssd ? i get an error everytime i sudo( : problem with defaults entries ; TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/root ) and my samba now throws segfaults since i installed sssd |
| 19:27.36 | unborn | ngc0202`, I am sorry but I only use linux for those kind of operations.. as somiaj said unetbootin can give you some sort of troubles I had.. save your self time and use dd to image your machine directly |
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| 19:28.13 | ngc0202` | yeah I used win32diskimager |
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| 19:31.41 | OUTs2der | all these excess flooding creeps that look like spam drones |
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| 19:42.02 | johdar | Hey there, im trying to change the font of X11 Terminal (uxrvt). I think im doing somthing wrong with installing the truetype font. Can someone point me to a referance or a nice howto? |
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| 19:43.12 | johdar | On the net there is some wrong/outdated information and I'm not sure what to do. |
| 19:43.56 | johdar | I can 'see' the installed font using fc-l but not with fontconfig |
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| 19:48.07 | omanomanooer | hey |
| 19:48.17 | johdar | hey |
| 19:48.39 | omanomanooer | I did apt-get update & upgrade and I saw that it said a bunch of stuff wasn't needed and to run autoremove |
| 19:48.39 | unborn | OUTs2der, sounds intelligent - nice, but so pointless. |
| 19:48.48 | omanomanooer | I did... but my font is weird now and I had to reinstall gedit and rhythmbox |
| 19:48.54 | omanomanooer | and that is just what I know it removed ;_; |
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| 19:49.28 | omanomanooer | any way I could see what it removed? |
| 19:49.31 | babilen | omanomanooer: You can check in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 19:49.35 | omanomanooer | kk |
| 19:49.55 | jmcnaught | omanomanooer: you may have removed a metapackage that pulled in a bunch of other packages. whenever you're removing packages it's important to read the list carefully and check any packages you're not sure about |
| 19:49.55 | omanomanooer | oh god |
| 19:50.08 | omanomanooer | it is all over |
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| 19:50.44 | frankie4 | I use dd to make a bootable flash drive and gparted throws an error when i refresh devices "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.". The 8gb device shows 28gb free space and weird partitions including a fat16 |
| 19:51.08 | omanomanooer | here is what it removed http://pastebin.com/ywTwTWr2 should I just reinstall @ this point? |
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| 19:51.37 | Eug_ | Anyone on that does support for debian.org? |
| 19:52.19 | unborn | Eug_, what do you mean? here? |
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| 19:53.25 | Eug_ | Unborn, all download links on Debian.org point to 8.1 which no longer exists. Gives 404 errors. |
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| 19:53.48 | unborn | Eug_, yes - 8.2 replaced 8.1 version |
| 19:53.57 | Eug_ | I |
| 19:54.04 | Eug_ | I got that. |
| 19:54.14 | unborn | so? Eug_ |
| 19:54.25 | Eug_ | Website points to the wrong dirs. |
| 19:54.31 | unborn | site is maybe cached or the update its on its way.. |
| 19:54.56 | omanomanooer | is there a master font package I could install to get my debian looking normal again |
| 19:55.00 | TsukiRa | frankie4: try: device -> create partition table -> msdos |
| 19:55.19 | unborn | Eug_, lot of people noticed this here and its been noted out there.. I think they updating it. |
| 19:55.33 | unborn | Eug_, sorry for your frustration |
| 19:55.57 | Eug_ | Unborn, good. Nothing to see. Moving on. <tips hat> |
| 19:56.29 | Eug_ | unborn, no frustration for me. For others was my concern. |
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| 19:56.45 | omanomanooer | also how do I prevent autoremove from destroying everything in the future and why did it |
| 19:57.15 | frankie4 | TsukiRa, and then copy the iso again? |
| 19:58.27 | MeatPopsicle | I'm trying to install steam on PlayOnLinux on Debian 8 and I get this exact problem: https://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-13378-Steam_installation_window_too_little.html any suggestions |
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| 20:00.21 | jmcnaught | MeatPopsicle: try right clicking on the window's title bar, there will probably be a "resize" option. |
| 20:00.30 | TsukiRa | frankie4, yeah, gparted shows errors but device is ok and you can boot from it |
| 20:00.38 | frankie4 | I'm still getting the same error from libparted |
| 20:00.45 | frankie4 | oh ok |
| 20:00.56 | MeatPopsicle | jmcnaught, tried it didnt work |
| 20:00.58 | frankie4 | is it just having a hissy fit over the hybrid iso? |
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| 20:01.30 | MeatPopsicle | jmcnaught, also tried alt enter, alt f10 and those didnt work |
| 20:01.38 | jmcnaught | MeatPopsicle: the keyboard shortcut in gnome to resize a window is alt+f8, or super+up arrow to maximize. if that doesn't work maybe try a different window manager/desktop environment (gnome works well), or ask the playonlinux or steam support why their window cannot be resized |
| 20:02.06 | MeatPopsicle | jmcnaught, I am on LXDE |
| 20:02.43 | MeatPopsicle | jmcnaught, tried #playonlinux they are not active much |
| 20:03.20 | MeatPopsicle | let me try to restart that fixes thing sometimes |
| 20:03.32 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, very good question.. I think you know the answer :) |
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| 20:04.42 | jmcnaught | omanomanooer: had you maybe removed the gnome package earlier, or one of the other gnome meta packages? You could install the "gnome-core" metapackage which will pull in all the essential gnome packages, or the "gnome" package for a more complete desktop.. or something different if you want to use a different desktop. Or simply cherry pick the packages you want to reinstall. No need for a complete OS reinstall though. |
| 20:05.32 | joker_89 | Is a good idea to encrypt the data entiredisk? |
| 20:05.38 | joker_89 | For secure data |
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| 20:06.08 | unborn | joker_89, I would not do os partition eg / rest yeas |
| 20:06.25 | joker_89 | I have a hp microserver |
| 20:06.33 | byt3 | i am using full encryption with no issues |
| 20:06.43 | joker_89 | Debian os is installed on sd 16gb |
| 20:07.06 | joker_89 | And i havr 1tb hd for data and 2x1tb for backups |
| 20:07.19 | unborn | joker_89, ^^ as byt3 said.. however / does not need to be encrypted.. |
| 20:07.30 | jmcnaught | joker_89: i use full disk encryption. i encrypt root, home, swap, but not /boot. remember that the crypto will need to be unlocked every time it is booted. |
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| 20:07.43 | byt3 | yep |
| 20:07.48 | byt3 | just use autologin |
| 20:07.55 | byt3 | and use the crypto for securing the boot |
| 20:07.55 | unborn | ah :) |
| 20:08.09 | joker_89 | Yes but the if i want to do imcremental backups will be a problem? |
| 20:08.17 | byt3 | and if you need to leave the machine unattended, just ctrl+alt+l |
| 20:08.23 | unborn | it should not be.. |
| 20:08.45 | joker_89 | Is for secure personal data |
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| 20:08.55 | unborn | on my virtualmin server where all my domains sits - everything is encrypted included / |
| 20:08.58 | iamabox | hi |
| 20:09.01 | asterismo | i installed postfix but i have no "mail" command |
| 20:09.05 | asterismo | what is this? |
| 20:09.07 | joker_89 | With cruptosetup? |
| 20:09.08 | unborn | and restore works (worked for me till today) |
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| 20:09.47 | byt3 | well just make sure the softwrae used for backup supports encrypted data |
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| 20:10.39 | byt3 | some software can't read the file system, but can copy bit-by-bit |
| 20:10.45 | byt3 | so it should be fine |
| 20:10.54 | unborn | asterismo, not an postfix channel? |
| 20:11.05 | jmcnaught | joker_89: don't forget to encrypt swap if you have one. also if some data gets stored in /var (and that is part of /) then you want to encrypt root too |
| 20:11.36 | at0m | basically everything except /boot |
| 20:11.48 | byt3 | yep |
| 20:11.52 | allizom | I'd like to encrypt the whole disk on my laptop (read: /boot, kernel and whatnot included), booting from an USB drive which ideally I'd remove after having entered the decryption password. Is that even possible/How do I do it if it is? |
| 20:12.06 | at0m | allizom: bios cannot read an encrypted bootfs |
| 20:12.10 | byt3 | why encrypt /boot ? |
| 20:12.19 | unborn | at0m, in / partition if its resting there.. thats what I said on very beginning :) |
| 20:12.30 | allizom | I'd boot from an unencrypted USB drive |
| 20:12.37 | byt3 | for what purpose? |
| 20:12.49 | unborn | byt3, some of us have to do it.. |
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| 20:12.58 | at0m | allizom: then /boot on the usb? non-encrypted, as stated ^ |
| 20:12.59 | byt3 | hmm i see |
| 20:13.19 | joker_89 | What happens id i only encrypt the data hd? |
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| 20:13.26 | allizom | at0m: can I remove the USB drive after booting? |
| 20:13.29 | joker_89 | Onlu the mounted parttition |
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| 20:13.36 | joker_89 | Where i store data |
| 20:13.54 | at0m | allizom: you can unmount it. but mount it before any grub, kernel driver etc upgrade |
| 20:14.37 | joker_89 | Well. Its for a familiar small business |
| 20:15.02 | joker_89 | And i dont know if is needed to encrypt personao data of customers |
| 20:15.24 | unborn | joker_89, I have on all of my machines encrypted everything except system |
| 20:15.28 | asterismo | what package provides the "mail" application for terminal? |
| 20:15.30 | unborn | and it works all good |
| 20:15.39 | at0m | unborn: "system"? |
| 20:15.53 | allizom | at0m: I understand about the grub updates, but why the kernel ones? Wouldn't the kernel rest encrypted on the internal drive? |
| 20:16.26 | joker_89 | Unborn what do you use for encrypt? |
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| 20:16.30 | unborn | at0m, yeah / where my boot sits.. I had no modifications on system at all from install.. and boot sits at / |
| 20:16.31 | joker_89 | Cryptsetup? |
| 20:17.09 | at0m | allizom: vmlinuz, initrd afaik |
| 20:18.41 | allizom | ok thanks at0m, I will run some testing before switching to it anyway |
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| 20:19.00 | MeatPopsicle | Yep a restart did nothing to fix it -______- |
| 20:19.20 | at0m | i encrypted just devices that i take with me, laptop, phones. stuff that tends to get lost or stolen. |
| 20:20.37 | allizom | yes, same here. It'd be a laptop I bring everywhere I go, and often it remains unattended |
| 20:20.56 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, yeah.. linux is not windows.. |
| 20:21.59 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, just thought it would work, had an issue with my system not recognizing the size of any USB drive properly and a restart fixed that |
| 20:22.09 | unborn | joker_89, I am sorry but I would prefer to keep this to my self. I hope so you understand |
| 20:23.02 | jmcnaught | asterismo: i use the one from bsd-mailx on my MTA with postfix |
| 20:23.25 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, yeah some stuff just reboot can do.. I think much fun for you would be to build your own hosting server for your self and family or perhaps write up some nice smart web app or website... what do you think? |
| 20:23.47 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, for games maybe xbox or sp? |
| 20:24.14 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, maybe but I have no server/coding experience |
| 20:24.26 | joker_89 | Unborn lol |
| 20:24.55 | joker_89 | Do you have your wifi as nomap? |
| 20:25.32 | joker_89 | Because google can detect your encrypted data |
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| 20:26.26 | unborn | joker_89, I am sure they and them can do :) but nothing in physical real :) |
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| 20:27.12 | katyucha | Hi |
| 20:27.18 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, its not hard.. and besides if could be more fun for you then games.. at least everything you will find online ;) it was just my suggestion. |
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| 20:28.15 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, I will look into it but I will be the only one using it, my wife doesnt game, although a small media server with my 600GB in music on it would be useful to us both :) |
| 20:28.17 | unborn | joker_89, so as you know the rule, catch me if you can applies here :) |
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| 20:28.38 | katyucha | I try to enable cgroup memory for lxc-checkconfig... In the Command Line at boot, i see " BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.1.0-1-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/rootvg-root ro quiet cgroup_enable=memory" But it seems not good :/ |
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| 20:28.59 | katyucha | Debian Jesie |
| 20:29.01 | katyucha | Jessie |
| 20:29.03 | joker_89 | Unborn you seem likr my friend |
| 20:29.11 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, exactly! I can suggest to use old laptop as home server.. perhaps as for all your websites on real internet :) |
| 20:29.14 | joker_89 | Which is pro privacity |
| 20:29.41 | joker_89 | He has a custom password mecanism on a paper |
| 20:29.49 | joker_89 | But they will be burned |
| 20:30.05 | joker_89 | If you open it witout the correct procedure |
| 20:30.10 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, I do have 3 laptops dating back to '09, I think I will look into setting one up as a server |
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| 20:30.54 | jmcnaught | katyucha: is "Cgroup memory controller" showing as disabled when you run lxc-checkconfig? |
| 20:31.00 | MeatPopsicle | I have a 1TB laptop hard drive that could hold all my music and some movies |
| 20:31.17 | katyucha | jmcnaught: yes, "missing" |
| 20:31.57 | unborn | joker_89, they will still be able to filter you out.. however best way is encrypt everything and once you know they are coming, diamanté drill bit and battery drill is best.. from my own experience sometimes they will cut the power off few minutes they come ;) |
| 20:32.28 | jmcnaught | katyucha: it works for me on the stock jessie kernel (3.16) and i don't remember having to do anything special. are you using systemd? |
| 20:32.36 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, my server runs from 2004 I think.. all I added was ram.. |
| 20:32.54 | katyucha | jmcnaught: yes, using it :/ |
| 20:33.35 | unborn | joker_89, depends what your machine is used for.. you know.. |
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| 20:33.53 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, I might see if my dad has an old desktop laying around, would probably be easier with a desktop (he had 5+ computers when I was growing up |
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| 20:34.08 | MeatPopsicle | he had 5+ at any given time in the house |
| 20:34.43 | at0m | MeatPopsicle: just make sure it's post pentium4 - these things use 60W all the time |
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| 20:35.03 | at0m | in case you'd want to run it 24/7 |
| 20:35.05 | unborn | MeatPopsicle, may I pm you? |
| 20:35.20 | MeatPopsicle | unborn, go for it |
| 20:35.23 | jmcnaught | katyucha: do you still have the stock kernel installed? You could do a command like "CONFIG=/boot/config-3.16.0-4-amd64 lxc-checkconfig" to see if it is enabled properly there |
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| 20:35.48 | asterismo | jmcnaught: it was actually /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 20:35.53 | asterismo | not just mail |
| 20:35.53 | unborn | at0m, exactly.. its not about only space and how powerful but also how much it will eat.. so you can save :) |
| 20:36.52 | at0m | a pi can host your site for 6W max eh |
| 20:37.49 | unborn | at0m, I do around £21 a year for electricity and just pay normal internet.. I guess its not that bad |
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| 20:38.14 | at0m | unborn: just for that machine, i take it? |
| 20:38.36 | at0m | £21/y i mean |
| 20:38.43 | unborn | yeah.. but I wont beat you.. at0m |
| 20:38.54 | at0m | nothing to beat :) |
| 20:39.05 | unborn | i mean in price tag :) |
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| 20:40.33 | katyucha | jmcnaught: same problem .. missing and mount show me that http://pastebin.com/YdaBu6nJ |
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| 20:41.54 | jmcnaught | katyucha: my lxc says memory cgroup is enabled, but on a different host i was getting systemd memory accounting going and i needed to add "cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1" to the kernel command line in /etc/default/grub. Still, with a stock kernel "lxc-checkconfig" tells me that memory cgroup is enabled. |
| 20:42.08 | joker_89 | unborn but in my case i dont know i its needed to encrypt customer data related to law |
| 20:42.25 | niekniek | hello! iâm a systemd n00b and thereâs something wrong with a systemd file iâm using |
| 20:42.32 | niekniek | it gives me Process: 20657 ExecStartPre=/bin/chown freeswitch:freeswitch /run/freeswitch (code=exited, status=200/CHDIR) |
| 20:42.40 | niekniek | and i can run the command just fine manually |
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| 20:43.01 | katyucha | jmcnaught: i try with the swapaccount |
| 20:43.03 | katyucha | param |
| 20:43.04 | unborn | joker_89, law or not, always do encryption |
| 20:43.12 | unborn | specially for clients |
| 20:43.55 | joker_89 | But also for swap and all directories not related the physical data parttion? |
| 20:44.16 | at0m | joker_89, and consider average uptime (when data will be available, partition mounted), (network) connectivity, etc |
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| 20:44.48 | joker_89 | What? |
| 20:45.01 | omanomanooer | oops didn't mean to pm that jmcnaught |
| 20:45.38 | omanomanooer | it looks like the autoremove destruction was indeed mostly gnome related stuff |
| 20:45.39 | katyucha | jmcnaught: Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.1.0-1-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/rootvg-root ro quiet cgroup_enable=memory swapaccount=1 ... and Missing :( |
| 20:45.46 | at0m | joker_89: ie., there will be no use in encrypting it to secure it, when the partition is always mounted and the computer always online serving to the web |
| 20:45.54 | omanomanooer | it got rid of nmap though... why would gnome care about nmap |
| 20:46.06 | jmcnaught | katyucha: i haven't really tried limiting memory on a container yet. i was able to use systemd's cgroup interface to limit memory for services though once i added those to kernel cmd line |
| 20:46.10 | at0m | joker_89: encryption will then only secure your data when the pc gets robbed |
| 20:46.19 | katyucha | jm |
| 20:46.33 | joker_89 | Yes |
| 20:46.38 | katyucha | jmcnaught: now with 3.16 config file, it's "enabled" |
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| 20:47.02 | jmcnaught | katyucha: ahh.. maybe it is not working in the backports kernel? |
| 20:47.04 | joker_89 | I know it |
| 20:47.19 | joker_89 | I want to secure the physical server |
| 20:47.21 | omanomanooer | woa |
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| 20:47.27 | joker_89 | Since is east to rob |
| 20:47.33 | omanomanooer | when I apt-get installed gnome it re-added nmap |
| 20:47.37 | at0m | joker_89: right, physical access is prime risk |
| 20:47.39 | omanomanooer | cool |
| 20:47.57 | joker_89 | But i need to encrypt swap partiion? |
| 20:48.07 | katyucha | jmcnaught: yes, i reboot so on 3.16 |
| 20:48.10 | joker_89 | And debian dorectories |
| 20:48.36 | at0m | joker_89: not really then. could do with just /home's or /var or .. |
| 20:48.44 | at0m | wherever the data's stored |
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| 20:49.17 | katyucha | jmcnaught: thank you |
| 20:49.25 | at0m | or where you can easily unmount it and only mount it when the client's there or when you need the data |
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| 20:50.00 | at0m | not sure how your routines are, what availability is needed, etc |
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| 20:51.27 | joker_89 | Ok. Well i am mounting it |
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| 20:51.44 | joker_89 | I am using a microservrr hp gen8 |
| 20:52.08 | katyucha | jmcnaught: i'm so stupid... i'm on Stretch ... i found the problem : https://blog.raymond.burkholder.net/index.php?/archives/639-Debian-Stretch-LXC-Memory-Controller.html |
| 20:52.11 | joker_89 | I have read that luks is a typical encryptation |
| 20:52.19 | at0m | yup |
| 20:53.01 | joker_89 | But how can i make bavkups then? |
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| 20:54.37 | jmcnaught | katyucha: ahhh... well good luck with stretch. maybe use stable if you need to get real work done on this computer |
| 20:56.25 | katyucha | I always use testing till 2001 . Problems are never so bad. Just a few annoying bug . |
| 20:56.36 | katyucha | till=since |
| 20:56.44 | at0m | joker_89: you can leave the encryption and copy the partition in its entirety, encrypted, to other disk. you can tar the unencrypted data and encrypt it after. don't forget to wipe the tarball properly afterwards ;) |
| 20:56.52 | katyucha | jmcnaught: thank you to help me |
| 20:56.58 | katyucha | good night all |
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| 20:58.35 | unborn | joker_89, any reason to encrypt swap? |
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| 21:01.20 | at0m | joker_89: you can encrypt separate files or archives using openssl, too |
| 21:01.50 | joker_89 | No unborn |
| 21:01.58 | joker_89 | I am newbie |
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| 21:03.15 | ngc0202` | Hi |
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| 21:03.34 | RoyK | ngc0202`: ho |
| 21:03.39 | ngc0202` | I used the command "ifconfig wlan0 up" and am getting back "Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 21:03.58 | unborn | joker_89, :) cool well encryption will make you a bit slower so - I suggest swap encryption is a bit useless for you. or just go with at0m solution - encrypt everything and no worries. |
| 21:04.03 | ngc0202` | I don't really know what to make of that |
| 21:04.53 | at0m | ngc0202`: what does 'free' say? |
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| 21:05.10 | rod85 | Does the 7.8.0 wheezy installer properly align partitions on advanced format drives or do I need to separately define partitions using parted before running it? I'm pretty sure I used the Jessie installer to create partitions on my last drive and fdisk threw errors about partitions being out of allignment |
| 21:05.16 | ngc0202` | at0m That I have a ton of free memory |
| 21:05.22 | at0m | hm |
| 21:05.48 | ngc0202` | I did the net install and can't even get my wifi to work lol |
| 21:06.35 | RoyK | rod85: Linux aligns with 4k drives by default |
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| 21:07.21 | unborn | ngc0202`, you possibly need to install drivers for your wifi and you fine. |
| 21:07.37 | rod85 | RoyK, hmmm weird. I wonder why the Jessie install didn't |
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| 21:08.03 | at0m | unborn: if ngc0202` ifconfig sees wlan0... |
| 21:08.10 | RoyK | rod85: I really wonder if it didn't - can you pastebin the partition table? |
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| 21:09.16 | ngc0202` | It would show cannot allocate memory if it's a driver issue? |
| 21:09.46 | unborn | at0m, lspci? :) he does not have driver so he need sot see what chip and maker.. then he can search and install |
| 21:09.52 | RoyK | rod85: what does smartctl -i say about the sector size on the drive? |
| 21:09.53 | at0m | ngc0202`: that's my guess, too. it would say 'Device not found' |
| 21:09.56 | unborn | I guess at0m ? :) |
| 21:10.12 | at0m | unborn: he'd get ^ |
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| 21:12.10 | rod85 | smartctl command isn't found |
| 21:13.21 | RoyK | rod85: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 21:13.53 | RoyK | rod85: seems those partitions are aligned at 2k |
| 21:14.18 | RoyK | rod85: with windows things in front, it won't make linux work any better |
| 21:15.00 | rod85 | RoyK, oh really? That is the setup I have always used. Recently switched from a WD black to a seagate barracuda though |
| 21:15.17 | rod85 | smartctl -i |
| 21:15.29 | rod85 | omg I'm tired |
| 21:16.56 | rod85 | Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical |
| 21:17.44 | RoyK | I thought linux/fdisk would compansate with that |
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| 21:18.06 | RoyK | apparently it doesn't, which is bad |
| 21:18.14 | rod85 | Is it possibly the partition table Windows 7 wrote? |
| 21:18.33 | rod85 | and I used cfdisk to add partitions to the empty space |
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| 21:22.45 | rod85 | brb I'll plug in my old WD drive and see whats up there |
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| 21:26.18 | brontosaurusrex | where would i found svg of this new white on teal logo ? |
| 21:27.32 | brontosaurusrex | nevermind, /usr/share/images ... |
| 21:27.41 | rod85 | RoyK, oh it seems my old WD drive wasn't 4k |
| 21:27.54 | rod85 | but same allignment nonetheless |
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| 21:29.55 | Chocolate_Chip | What will you all do when you run out of Toy Story characters to name versions by? |
| 21:30.58 | mtn | Chocolate_Chip, the world will end |
| 21:31.09 | at0m | Chocolate_Chip: they're having weekly meetings on that |
| 21:31.10 | Chocolate_Chip | neat |
| 21:31.16 | unborn | at0m, nice to share thoughts with you. cya later |
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| 21:45.29 | RoyK | rod85: what drives? |
| 21:45.57 | RoyK | rod85: a lot of drives lie about their physical sector sizes |
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| 21:46.42 | RoyK | rod85: I don't think WD hs produced any >2TB drives with 512b sectors |
| 21:47.46 | RoyK | rod85: a lot of those 2TB green drives also have 4k sectors without telling anyone |
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| 21:51.57 | RoyK | rod85: those WD20EADS drives have 512b sectors - later versions have 4k sectors even if they don't tell anyone about it |
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| 21:53.26 | joker_89 | hi |
| 21:53.27 | joker_89 | again |
| 21:53.44 | rod85 | RoyK, they are all 1tb drives. One WD black ~5 years old and A brand new seagate barracuda |
| 21:54.25 | rod85 | my new drive I am installing onto is a 1TB WD black WD1003FZEX |
| 21:54.50 | joker_89 | i want to mount 1 hdd |
| 21:54.51 | rod85 | so I'm guessing the old WD drive had 512k sectors |
| 21:55.06 | joker_89 | i use lsbk and apeears without mountpoint |
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| 21:56.07 | rod85 | I'm pretty sure on the seagate drive (the one aligned to 2k) was initally setup and partitioned using windows 7 installer and I partitioned up the free space after to install debian |
| 21:56.50 | rod85 | So it must have been the partitioning tool in windows 7 installer that incorrectly set it up |
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| 21:57.31 | asterismo | is there any project for a mail server, like encrypted and secure? besides teh classic postfix/dovecot mail server.. |
| 21:57.34 | asterismo | ?? |
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| 21:59.15 | RoyK | rod85: try to turn on scterc on them |
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| 22:00.46 | rod85 | RoyK, how do I do that? |
| 22:01.58 | jmcnaught | asterismo: do you mean encrypted traffic, or encrypted on disk? there are a few MTA and IMAP servers to choose from in jessie, probably all of them can do encrypted traffic |
| 22:02.26 | joker_89 | how can i mount the hdd? |
| 22:04.26 | asterismo | jmcnaught: all encrypted, like storage, traffic, all |
| 22:04.53 | jmcnaught | asterismo: Debian has a virtual package, mail-transport-agent, that other packages require if they need mail services. You can look at the packages that provide this virtual package with aptitude search "?provides(mail-transport-agent)" and compare them |
| 22:05.38 | asterismo | jmcnaught: ok thanks |
| 22:06.18 | jmcnaught | asterismo: as for encrypted all storage, there isn't really a clear way to do this. you can encrypt the underlying disks. I have heard of people running a filter on all incoming mail so that it encrypts with GPG to their public key, but I imagine this would have other complications. |
| 22:07.15 | jmcnaught | asterismo: or in an ideal world everyone uses PGP for all messages |
| 22:07.18 | asterismo | jmcnaught: yes, its like a hack on available mails servers |
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| 22:07.48 | asterismo | it would be nice to have encrypted storage in mail by default or so |
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| 22:08.09 | asterismo | you know like "use_disk_encryption=true" |
| 22:08.23 | asterismo | "use_algorithm=sha256" |
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| 22:08.32 | asterismo | lol |
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| 22:08.53 | joker_89 | which label i need to take?gpt dos sgi sun |
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| 22:09.38 | asterismo | i'm searching for a tutorial in cr0ss.org blog about setting up a debian mail server, i remember it was great, it worked at first time |
| 22:10.12 | er4z0r | asterismo: arstechnica has a pretty decent tutorial |
| 22:10.16 | jmcnaught | asterismo: it would have to be baked into the protocol and supported by other mail servers and MUA clients for it to work. The established solutions to that problem are probably better because they provide end-to-end encryption (talking about PGP and S/MIME here). With SMTP there's no way to guarantee that the message does not pass through an unencrypted link on its way to its destination as far as i know |
| 22:10.35 | er4z0r | asterismo: allthough not with encryption of the mails on disk |
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| 22:12.00 | joker_89 | ntfs or ext? for samba |
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| 22:19.08 | srg | I have two debian servers. One of them runs unbound. Unbound is listening on my external ipv6 address of server1. I want server2 to use it. I put server1's IP in server2's resolv.conf, but it's not working: "response timeout" |
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| 22:19.29 | srg | I have iptables setup on both systems, but I've triple checked the rules and don't see why it's not working |
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| 22:20.34 | weirdtunguska | Folks, just installed gnome and I have a external monitor connected to a laptop. When I close the lid the external monitor shuts off. How can I prevent this? |
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| 22:22.14 | at0m | joker_89: samba is mounted as -type ntfs |
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| 22:22.18 | squarecircle | ohai |
| 22:22.34 | joker_89 | at0m i have formatted all hdd to ext4 |
| 22:22.40 | joker_89 | is better to do it to ntfs? |
| 22:22.41 | Brigo | weirdtunguska, i suppous the laptop gets suspended. |
| 22:23.04 | jmcnaught | srg: i don't know unbound. maybe it is configured to ignore all recursive requests unless they're whitelisted in its config? Also if you put your config and iptables rules on http://paste.debian.net/ others can peer-review them for you |
| 22:23.05 | Brigo | weirdtunguska, then you have to update /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 22:23.16 | weirdtunguska | nope, the laptop is not getting suspended |
| 22:23.20 | weirdtunguska | it keeps running |
| 22:23.52 | Brigo | and the laptop monitor? |
| 22:23.52 | at0m | joker_89: ntfs is windows filesharing. ext4 is great (but not encrypted as you wanted earlier) |
| 22:23.53 | squarecircle | I would like to install a second HDD in my laptop but I need to stop the hdd from spinning until its explicitely mounted |
| 22:23.58 | weirdtunguska | turns off |
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| 22:24.07 | joker_89 | why not encrypted? |
| 22:24.14 | joker_89 | so, which format i need to use? |
| 22:24.21 | at0m | joker_89: cos ext4 is not an encrypted fs |
| 22:24.28 | joker_89 | ext3 or ntfs? |
| 22:24.37 | weirdtunguska | Brigo, what should I update on logind? |
| 22:24.40 | Brigo | weirdtunguska, maybe you can configure the monitor behaviour with xrand, not sure, i have never dealed with two monitors. |
| 22:24.43 | joker_89 | i want it to be encrypted and sahred with windows using samba |
| 22:24.49 | joker_89 | it will be a data hdd |
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| 22:25.10 | Brigo | weirdtunguska, HandleLidSwitch= |
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| 22:25.26 | weirdtunguska | Brigo, xrand shows laptop monitor as off, external monitor as on and primary, and no other options |
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| 22:25.32 | at0m | joker_89: you can encrypt it a partition, decrypt access on mount, then share it to windows using samba |
| 22:25.43 | weirdtunguska | and HandleLidSwitch should be what? |
| 22:25.59 | weirdtunguska | Brigo, empty |
| 22:26.00 | weirdtunguska | ? |
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| 22:26.40 | joker_89 | at0m but in which format is needed to be the disk? |
| 22:27.47 | at0m | dpkg: tell joker_89 about luks |
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| 22:28.56 | squarecircle | oh i can modify my question: how do I prevent hdd spinup at system boot? |
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| 22:29.25 | joker_89 | dpkg ? |
| 22:29.25 | dpkg | joker_89: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:29.36 | joker_89 | dpkg luks |
| 22:29.37 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://sf.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/ and <ext2read>. |
| 22:29.51 | at0m | joker_89: dpkg is a helper bot |
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| 22:30.24 | at0m | you can /msg it, keeps the channel clean |
| 22:30.57 | joker_89 | so luks it will format my hdd |
| 22:31.01 | squarecircle | dpkg: ? |
| 22:31.01 | dpkg | squarecircle: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:31.07 | jmcnaught | squarecircle: i don't understand. you're trying to mount a hard drive? what error do you get? |
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| 22:31.28 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: nah I don't want my hard drive to spin up |
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| 22:31.37 | at0m | joker_89: if it's a fresh install, the installer will walk you through the encryption and setting up the mount |
| 22:31.47 | joker_89 | ok i see |
| 22:32.19 | at0m | joker_89: iirc, in the "setting up disks" item |
| 22:32.28 | joker_89 | what? |
| 22:32.41 | at0m | select "use as encrypted partition" where you're partitioning |
| 22:32.56 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: I got an ssd to get a shock proof system, but i need some more memory and wanted to install a second hard drive, but it mustn't spin because it would crash with all the vibrating and heavy shaking |
| 22:34.09 | joker_89 | lol i dont know how to unmount the hdd |
| 22:34.40 | at0m | joker_89: umount /path/to/mount or umount /dev/sdx? |
| 22:34.41 | frostschutz | squarecircle, there is lazy spinup but the board / controller must support it. if it doesn't the drive is dead until you find another controller to undo the setting |
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| 22:38.38 | joker_89 | why i have /dev/sda /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc for my 3 hdd |
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| 22:38.43 | joker_89 | and not sda1, sdb1, sdc1 |
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| 22:38.59 | MeatPopsicle | why is the sound on Debian LXDE not working? |
| 22:39.20 | jeddi | joker_89: the drives are either not formatted (yet) or have been configured to use the whole drive and not partitions. what's the provenance of the drives? are they part of a lvm or raid set? |
| 22:39.22 | MeatPopsicle | none of the media players can change it and I cant find sound preferences |
| 22:40.05 | jmcnaught | MeatPopsicle: run pavucontrol and make sure nothing is muted, correct output device is selected |
| 22:40.17 | jeddi | joker_89: ah - just reading back - looks like a lot of history to that question. |
| 22:40.42 | joker_89 | well, they are 3 new hdd's. one for data and the other 2 for backups only |
| 22:41.14 | jmcnaught | joker_89: where are you seeing /dev/sda etc? We can't see your screen, so you've to give us context :) |
| 22:41.50 | squarecircle | frostschutz: that sounds ridiculously stupid |
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| 22:44.50 | frostschutz | squarecircle, well... it's a strange requirement. also, it's not like hdds are shockproof when not spinning ;) |
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| 22:45.28 | MeatPopsicle | jmcnaught, thank you that worked |
| 22:45.58 | Polarina | Is there any harm done in deleting /usr/share/zoneinfo/* (except for UTC which /etc/localtime links to)? |
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| 22:48.15 | squarecircle | wekk |
| 22:48.17 | squarecircle | well |
| 22:48.40 | linuxthefish | dpkg |
| 22:48.57 | linuxthefish | !ask |
| 22:48.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:49.00 | squarecircle | frostschutz: is there a possibillity to spin it down right after boot? |
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| 22:52.26 | jmcnaught | Polarina: probably not a good idea. that directory isn't very big, is it really necessary? |
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| 22:54.03 | jmcnaught | squarecircle: check what you can do with hdparm, but note that some stuff is dangerous, and spinning down/up too often can reduce the life of the drive. Also some laptops have accelerometers built-into them and will lift the reader if it detects it is falling.. maybe check if yours has that feature |
| 22:54.18 | Polarina | jmcnaught: just making a minimal base to chroot into, want to remove stuff I really won't need. |
| 22:55.01 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: its a thinkpad t420 |
| 22:55.26 | jmcnaught | Polarina: there is https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian but it could be more trouble than it's worth if you have lots of free space and don't want to waste time on "bugs" that turn out to be features provided by the stuff you remove |
| 22:55.41 | Polarina | All right. Thanks. |
| 22:55.49 | squarecircle | jmcnaught: it has some sensors, but this doesn't work that well |
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| 22:57.34 | hemebond | Is anyone using PXEBoot to automate a CDROM installation? |
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| 23:00.19 | fdhhdf | Hello, I just have an issue with my Debian system, the disk got full and dont boot |
| 23:00.31 | jmcnaught | squarecircle: you could use hdparm to set an APM level that allows spin down. hdparm also has an option to spin a drive down immediately which might work on your drive. |
| 23:00.38 | fdhhdf | how could I recover it ? |
| 23:00.58 | fdhhdf | please, thanks |
| 23:01.45 | jmcnaught | fdhhdf: can you boot the system with a live/rescue CD, mount the filesystem and delete some stuff? |
| 23:01.51 | hemebond | fdhhdf: Boot into recovery mode, mount the HDD and delete some files. |
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| 23:03.56 | fdhhdf | yes I already have the live cd which I installed Debian first, however with df command only see live partitions |
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| 23:06.09 | markybob | fdhhdf, df only shows mounted volumes. you have to mount it. something like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 23:09.30 | mccajm | I'm setting up a tunnel across two ADSL lines to bond them. The tunnel endpoint has 1 IP. Can anyone think of a way to direct the second arm of the tunnel via gw2? All I can think of is putting a static NAT on gw2 from an internal IP to the external one, but that might cause issues with the tunnel. |
| 23:09.46 | mccajm | *to the tunnel endpoint |
| 23:09.52 | fdhhdf | markybob |
| 23:09.53 | fdhhdf | , it says that the volume are write only |
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| 23:26.01 | fdhhdf | Thanks, bye |
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| 23:39.16 | asterismo | hi ppl |
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| 23:39.24 | asterismo | i'm having this error in mysql |
| 23:39.37 | asterismo | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 23:39.47 | asterismo | i'm trying to create a database for mail server |
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| 23:41.11 | Maz | Hihi I had dat error to |
| 23:41.26 | Maz | But dunno how I fixed it |
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| 23:43.46 | jmcnaught | asterismo: can you connect to the database with "mysql -u root -p" ? |
| 23:43.55 | TsukiRa | asterismo, $ mysql -u root -p |
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| 23:45.18 | asterismo | no, i get mysql |
| 23:45.22 | asterismo | sorry |
| 23:45.27 | asterismo | i get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 23:46.38 | Maz | The problem is in database mysql |
| 23:46.54 | Maz | Its something with permissions or what ever :X |
| 23:47.00 | asterismo | Maz: how do i fix this? |
| 23:47.11 | Maz | Well I kinda reinstalled mysql |
| 23:47.12 | Maz | xD |
| 23:47.18 | jmcnaught | asterismo: the MySQL root password is different than the system root password, and it can also be blank if you don't provide an answer to the question asked by the mysql-server package |
| 23:47.25 | asterismo | but i hace other databases running i cant |
| 23:47.42 | Maz | Create a backup of those databasses |
| 23:47.51 | asterismo | it isn't blank |
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| 23:48.24 | Maz | mysql -u debian-sys-maint -p |
| 23:48.29 | Maz | What does dat say? |
| 23:48.51 | Maz | Or do u have another system |
| 23:48.51 | Maz | ? |
| 23:48.55 | asterismo | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 23:48.59 | Maz | Ifu say that u got centos, i will kill my self |
| 23:49.07 | Maz | Ya |
| 23:49.31 | Maz | Its something with privileges |
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| 23:50.28 | Maz | reconfigure ur mysql? |
| 23:50.33 | Maz | dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.x ? |
| 23:50.44 | themill | !debian-sys-maint |
| 23:50.44 | dpkg | a special user that has access to the local mysql for starting/stopping mysql and other maintenance operations. You should not remove this user. You can try SET PASSWORD FOR 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('new_password_here'); you then need to FLUSH PRIVILEGES; and might need to GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES again. |
| 23:50.59 | Maz | Or what dpkg says |
| 23:51.04 | Maz | I'm tired :* |
| 23:51.13 | themill | although that requires you to be able to connect to mysqld at all |
| 23:51.19 | Maz | https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12004099_856881671077318_3488491219311377677_n.jpg?oh=0a08e6fe33d4d4e7b0c33fb8d20a1fc7&oe=5661EA15 |
| 23:52.22 | themill | !I forgot mysql root password |
| 23:52.22 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html, <mysql initial password>. |
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| 23:59.50 | jmcnaught | You can also change the MySQL root password by doing "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5" |
