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| 00:26.38 | lucas-arg | guys hello, i need to install drivers for gtx 960 cant find a way |
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| 00:27.51 | abrotman | lucas-arg: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:29.51 | lucas-arg | I need this Version 352.21 |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 00:30.33 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2 |
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| 00:31.36 | lucas-arg | dont know where to get it |
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| 00:32.59 | lucas-arg | i have problem i see |
| 00:34.06 | markybob | lucas-arg, it's gonna hurt. really badly |
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| 00:34.20 | pugfantus | lucas-arg: 32 or 64 bit? |
| 00:34.26 | lucas-arg | 64bits |
| 00:34.41 | pugfantus | lucas-arg: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/86390/en-us |
| 00:35.08 | lucas-arg | ok thanks |
| 00:35.13 | markybob | yep. that's gonna work out great |
| 00:35.24 | markybob | why don't we give good advice? |
| 00:35.37 | lucas-arg | so we dont have like ppas like ubuntu does |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | "Don't buy nVidia" |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | lucas-arg: no |
| 00:36.01 | markybob | abrotman, thank you for logic |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | markybob: also, good advice :) |
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| 00:40.27 | Chocolate_Chip | Can someone help me? This is urgent. I found a script that is supposed to change your about:home page in iceweasel. I ran it, and now the browser can not open. I tried removing and reinstalling the package, still nothing. I tried deleteing all files related to it, and then reinstalling. It didn't work |
| 00:41.09 | pugfantus | did you delete all the .dot directories? |
| 00:41.21 | Chocolate_Chip | .dot? |
| 00:41.42 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, the main file is in /usr/lib/iceweasel/ ...delete that? |
| 00:41.47 | Chocolate_Chip | did |
| 00:41.58 | Chocolate_Chip | I can't even go to pastebin to paste the script |
| 00:42.29 | Chocolate_Chip | I'll PM it to you, markybob |
| 00:42.33 | Chocolate_Chip | Pastebin it for me |
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| 00:43.15 | pugfantus | yeah, kill you ~/.cache/mozilla/firefox stuff... checking to see if there's more |
| 00:43.26 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, ha, so it was that. just delete and reinstall |
| 00:43.45 | Chocolate_Chip | Oh. I removed the config, not the catch |
| 00:43.58 | pugfantus | and ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 00:44.05 | Chocolate_Chip | did that |
| 00:44.33 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, did you use --reinstall |
| 00:44.36 | pugfantus | Chocolate_Chip: have you tried to start it from the command line? |
| 00:44.44 | pugfantus | does it give any errors? |
| 00:44.46 | Chocolate_Chip | I removed and reinstalled |
| 00:44.53 | Chocolate_Chip | It gave a couple of errors |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: tried safe mode? |
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| 00:45.16 | Chocolate_Chip | safe mode? |
| 00:45.39 | Chocolate_Chip | choco@debian:~$ iceweasel |
| 00:45.40 | Chocolate_Chip | (process:6185): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
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| 00:46.00 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, when you reinstalled did you use --reinstall ? |
| 00:46.03 | Chocolate_Chip | no |
| 00:46.04 | pugfantus | EXT4-fs error (device dm-0) <-- wtf, I just fsck'd the array! |
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| 00:46.44 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, well, do it |
| 00:46.53 | pugfantus | JBD2: Spotted dirty metadata buffer <-- I've got some dirty metadata for you! |
| 00:46.59 | Chocolate_Chip | choco@debian:~$ iceweasel |
| 00:47.00 | Chocolate_Chip | (process:6641): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 00:47.02 | Chocolate_Chip | Same error |
| 00:47.10 | Chocolate_Chip | markybob, pastebin the script please |
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| 00:47.12 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: can you put this "script" in pastebin? |
| 00:47.21 | Chocolate_Chip | I PM'd it to markybob |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: paste.debian.net pleaes |
| 00:47.34 | Chocolate_Chip | I edited it myself. It origionally hjad firefox in it, and had google for the url |
| 00:47.46 | Chocolate_Chip | abrotman, I just said I can not open iceweasel |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: there are other browsers in Debian .. |
| 00:48.33 | Chocolate_Chip | markybob, please pastebin the script I PM'd to you |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: use a browser, pastebin it .. this isn't hard, there are even text-based browsers |
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| 00:49.47 | Chocolate_Chip | I don't want to install an entire browser just to fix the one I use |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | Chocolate_Chip: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:50.05 | Chocolate_Chip | why |
| 00:50.25 | abrotman | or not ... |
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| 00:51.53 | viscera | Hello. Can anyone elaborate on https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763315 specifically how the "Debian specific patch" makes it so firewalld and nfs can't live together? |
| 00:51.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763315 in systemd (open): «systemd: Dependency loop between basic.target, nfs-common, rpcbind,...»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2015-04-09. |
| 00:52.21 | viscera | I'm not an init system expert, but I thought systemd had sysvinit compatibility upstream |
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| 00:57.40 | Chocolate_Chip | I finally got the fucker to open |
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| 00:58.30 | pugfantus | Chocolate_Chip: yay! |
| 00:58.52 | Chocolate_Chip | http://pastebin.com/6HgCzzMj |
| 00:58.54 | Chocolate_Chip | THere |
| 00:59.00 | Chocolate_Chip | What is wrong with this code |
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| 01:00.49 | pugfantus | nothing, did you do an update today? |
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| 01:01.18 | Chocolate_Chip | no |
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| 01:01.28 | Chocolate_Chip | So the script should work? |
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| 01:02.27 | Chocolate_Chip | I got it from this, in the comment section |
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| 01:04.10 | Chocolate_Chip | pugfantus, so nothing appears wrong with that script? |
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| 01:07.09 | pugfantus | there is nothing blatantly wrong with the script, that I can see... |
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| 01:09.04 | jtthedev` | Can someone help me out with something. I want to disable linux coloring on ls output based on permissions.. I want do want color coding for things like files, directors, links, etc... but I do not want color codings basead on permissions. for example, I have a folder that has perms of "drwxrwxrwx" as a result, when i ls. this directory has a green background, I just want it to have normal directory color |
| 01:09.10 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: still think a guide that explains what you are doing and splits it up into small parts would be preferable. But I am not the target you are writing that script for. |
| 01:09.41 | Chocolate_Chip | I didn't write that tidbit |
| 01:10.01 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: oh I thought this was the same script you were working on (I didn't look at your last link) |
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| 01:10.31 | Chocolate_Chip | it is. It's just I didn't write that part. I am going to credit the user who posted it |
| 01:10.42 | Chocolate_Chip | Is there anything wrong with that |
| 01:10.50 | somiaj | jtthedev`: that is the default (i.e. it will color the difference between directoires, executable and non executable files. You can also get other types and with dir_colors change this. Unsure how detailed you can make the settings. (: |
| 01:10.56 | Chocolate_Chip | I don't see why it made me unable to open iceweasel |
| 01:11.25 | jtthedev` | somiaj, i havnt found anything on dir_colors to help disable permissions based coloring |
| 01:11.36 | somiaj | jtthedev`: man dircolors for more info |
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| 01:12.03 | somiaj | jtthedev`: nevermind that man page doens't say what the actual dir_colors file needs to be able to look like |
| 01:12.12 | jtthedev` | indeed |
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| 01:13.28 | somiaj | jtthedev`: yea looks like you can't distinguish between permisions more than EXEC or not. |
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| 01:14.06 | jtthedev` | can't be.... dir1 and dir2 are both dir's, give different background colors based on permissions |
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| 01:14.43 | somiaj | jtthedev`: it is looking at sticky bit info |
| 01:14.48 | somiaj | jtthedev`: http://www.bigsoft.co.uk/blog/index.php/2008/04/11/configuring-ls_colors |
| 01:14.51 | somiaj | I found that list |
| 01:15.08 | somiaj | jtthedev`: so you can color based off of sticky bit, setuid and setgid bits, etc |
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| 01:16.25 | somiaj | seems that is the same list you get from man dir_colors, so you can set the colors for some permsisions but not all |
| 01:16.28 | Patero-ng | hello I have just one question, ¿why does my usb3 stick only boots debian when is connected to the computer through a usb2 hub and not directly |
| 01:16.56 | somiaj | jtthedev`: not sure if #bash would be able to provide you more or better info on this, since this is mostly an effect of the shell and terminal. |
| 01:17.07 | jtthedev` | thanks for the help |
| 01:17.09 | jtthedev` | appreciate it |
| 01:17.21 | somiaj | Patero-ng: that seems odd, are you booting efi or legacy? |
| 01:17.33 | Patero-ng | legacu csm |
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| 01:18.24 | somiaj | Patero-ng: so if you plug the stick into a usb socket on the computer and go into the bios, the bios does not register there is a disk attached that it can boot from, but if you put a usb hub in the way it does? Is this usb hub pluged in? |
| 01:18.50 | somiaj | (I mean is the usb hub powered) |
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| 01:19.24 | Patero-ng | the usb stick is detected and it gets to the grub point but after that it looses it, and yes the usb hub is powered |
| 01:20.05 | Patero-ng | the usb is detected when is connect directly too just wont' load debain completerly |
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| 01:21.06 | somiaj | wonder if the usb3 flash drive you have requires more power than your computer gives it, or for some other reason the stick needs the hub to force it into usb2 mode so it reads the data correctly. |
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| 01:21.50 | somiaj | though jessie does support usb3, I would lean twoards some hardware/power issue over comadability issue, but that is a strange thing. Have you tried this with other live usb images that arne't debian? Again seems more something funky with the hardware and unsure how to best debug it. |
| 01:22.12 | Patero-ng | you think the usb2 hub gives the usb3 stick more power? that's weird, I connect the usb3 stick to the usb3 port on the pc as well and it has the same result of not loading debian |
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| 01:23.26 | Patero-ng | the usb stick won't load of either a desktop or a laptop when is connected directly to the ports but it will when the usb2 hub is in the way on both pcs |
| 01:23.42 | somiaj | Patero-ng: it could be, some usb ports don't produce the same power output as others (partly why usb hubs have the option to be powered to give the devices more power). |
| 01:23.50 | Patero-ng | I think debian jessie doesn't support usb3 for native sticks when loading debian |
| 01:23.58 | somiaj | Patero-ng: does it seem to work just fine if you aren't trying to boot from it? |
| 01:24.22 | Patero-ng | yes it works fine when not trying to boot from it |
| 01:24.30 | somiaj | Patero-ng: also sometimes front, vs onboard, vs the ones built into the mobo on the back can be differnt ports and have different powers. |
| 01:24.57 | Patero-ng | both laptop and pcs usb3 back ports won't work I tried it |
| 01:25.33 | Patero-ng | I'm using debian 8 gnome |
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| 01:27.05 | somiaj | Patero-ng: the usb hub should still work without power, see if you can boot without giving the hub power (with only one device plugged in if it is a power issue you will know) |
| 01:27.13 | somiaj | but it seems weird that the power would effect booting but not use. |
| 01:28.08 | Patero-ng | ok I will try |
| 01:29.09 | Patero-ng | no the usb2 hub won't work at all when not plugged into power |
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| 01:33.06 | somiaj | Patero-ng: Maybe someone in ##hardware will understand this more than me, but to me the main thing different between the hub and the computer is the power, and maybe the flash drive you have draws more power than the ports on your mobos produce by default. |
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| 01:34.29 | somiaj | funny, google seems to suggest the other way is usually the problem, computers wont' boot with hubs pluged in but boot fine without it...not sure what sort of voodoo you have found. |
| 01:34.40 | somiaj | Patero-ng: do you happen to have another say usb2 flashdrive you could try? |
| 01:35.04 | somiaj | Patero-ng: also is this a usb flash thumb drive, or like a usb external hd? |
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| 01:35.27 | Patero-ng | a thumb drive |
| 01:35.53 | Patero-ng | and I also said that the mobo on my desktop but also on the laptop wont' boot I think is not a power issue |
| 01:36.02 | Patero-ng | I think is jessies'f ault |
| 01:36.07 | somiaj | Patero-ng: yea seems weird, I'm not expert so don't take my word for anything, but to me the external power is the main difference between using the hub vs not. |
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| 01:36.49 | somiaj | well one way to determine that is try another live image and see if you run across the issue, or another thumbdrive. But it seems strange to me that software would be the issue, sounds more hardware related (since it works just fine in the hub) |
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| 01:37.49 | Patero-ng | I think the usb2 hub makes it so the usb3 thumb drive appears as a usb2 thumb drive |
| 01:38.21 | Patero-ng | vs connecting the usb3 thumb into a usb2 port still jessie wants usb3 drivers that it doesn't have |
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| 01:39.26 | somiaj | Patero-ng: do you have multiple usb things pluged in, here is someone saying they ran across issues with drives and power https://paulphilippov.com/articles/how-to-fix-device-not-accepting-address-error |
| 01:40.19 | somiaj | Patero-ng: can you give me more info where in the boot it fails, I also find some reports of usb3 and udev not able to work correctly (which will stop the boot from finishing |
| 01:41.04 | Patero-ng | it feils seconds after I select debian from the grub menu |
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| 01:41.40 | Patero-ng | it gives me it needs ehci-orion drivers from modules.dep and something about can not find the partition where / is located |
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| 01:43.07 | somiaj | Patero-ng: hmm, wonder if it is an initramfs issue that the usb3 module is not included in the initramfs (hence forcing it to be usb2 fixes the problem) |
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| 01:43.39 | Patero-ng | yea I get a initramfs prompt |
| 01:43.45 | Patero-ng | as a final prompt |
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| 01:43.50 | Patero-ng | it lands there |
| 01:44.21 | somiaj | I'm a novice here, but sounds like usb3 drivers are not included in the initramfs so it cannot find the root filesystem. Unsure on how to double check this, looking now |
| 01:45.19 | Patero-ng | I added modules names that I thought will work into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then run depmod -a and then update initramfs -u but nothing same thing |
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| 01:50.51 | somiaj | Patero-ng: well if you plug it into a usb2 port, it should use a usb2 driver, so unless you only have usb3 ports on your mobo it seems unlikely that a usb2 port vs a usb2 hub will still use usb2 drivers |
| 01:51.22 | somiaj | but if you only have usb3 drivers, it could be the initrd image does not contain the drivers for usb3 (but I just checked and I coudln't find any usb modules in the initrd image so a bit unsure here) |
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| 01:52.30 | Patero-ng | I think the usb 3 thumb is detected a a usb3 in a usb2 port even unless using a usb2hub in the way I have no other explanation |
| 01:53.15 | Patero-ng | maybe I need initrd image usb3 drivers I think so too |
| 01:53.45 | somiaj | nevermind, searched the wrong string, the 3.16 initrd image contains xhci-hcd but doesn't contain xhci_pci |
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| 01:55.38 | Patero-ng | that may be a clue there |
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| 01:56.29 | somiaj | lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 | grep hci |
| 01:56.36 | somiaj | that is what I ran to search for the modules included in the initrd image |
| 01:57.07 | Patero-ng | ingenious |
| 01:58.24 | Patero-ng | I updated the kernel too but still it failed |
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| 01:58.34 | Patero-ng | to 3.16.7.ckill |
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| 01:59.47 | somiaj | note I'm checking some older 3.16 kernel I have from sid, it may not be the offical jessie one, but it maybe you need the xhci_pci driver, not sure, cause it seems strange that the hub fixes this, but also seems strange that your device isn't registering as usb2 in the usb2 ports on your mobo and you have to use the hub. |
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| 02:00.27 | somiaj | or maybe your mobo has some fancy hubs that are all usb3 and scale down based on the device. |
| 02:00.55 | Patero-ng | yea |
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| 02:01.32 | Patero-ng | I will see if I add that module manually to the initramfs tools modules fiile maybe I need to download it |
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| 02:01.48 | Patero-ng | maybe is includded I will run the command you wrote and find out |
| 02:01.57 | Patero-ng | I have 3.16.0-5 |
| 02:02.00 | Patero-ng | I have 3.16.0-4* |
| 02:02.12 | somiaj | yea double check by looking at the initrd image, then add it and rengearte your image, then check again. |
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| 02:52.15 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 02:52.28 | asterismo | how do i delete all mail that has arrived to root account? |
| 02:52.32 | asterismo | and other users as well? |
| 02:52.59 | asterismo | hosteo juegos para los gurises |
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| 02:55.26 | shay_shay | asterismo: you can just delete the files |
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| 02:55.48 | shay_shay | hold on I will get you the path |
| 02:55.56 | asterismo | which folder is that? |
| 02:56.03 | asterismo | like /var/mail? |
| 02:56.16 | asterismo | root and administrador users |
| 02:56.35 | shay_shay | yes |
| 02:56.52 | shay_shay | /var/mail has the maildir files |
| 02:56.56 | shay_shay | just rm it |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | asterismo: type "mail", then "d *", then "q" |
| 02:59.12 | asterismo | thanks abrotman shay_shay |
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| 02:59.36 | asterismo | you know, i'm following this tutorial |
| 02:59.37 | asterismo | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-8-jessie-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3/3/ |
| 02:59.44 | asterismo | and i cannot login into ISP3 |
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| 03:01.43 | cliluw | How come dh_make doesn't allow tildes (~) in package names? I'm trying to make a package that has a tilde in its name. |
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| 03:04.51 | somiaj | cliluw: because that character is reserved for versioing. |
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| 03:05.33 | Patero | ok I can't add module xhci-pci to initrd image I can't find that module anywhere startpage doesn't provide me results for download |
| 03:05.47 | somiaj | civillian: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#namever |
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| 03:06.15 | cliluw | somiaj: Aren't packages supposed to have versions at the end? |
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| 03:07.19 | somiaj | Patero: seems I lead you astary, it is in my 4.0 kernel on sid, but not my 3.16 kernel. sorry |
| 03:08.02 | shay_shay | abrotman: what package is that mail command you were referring to? I tried to find the man page online but there are so many things called mail... and also mail men |
| 03:08.36 | somiaj | cliluw: maybe that is not the reason for that restriction, that link tells you the policy and restrictions. I thought some characters are excluded maybe for versiniong only or other reasons. |
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| 03:09.28 | somiaj | cliluw: "You must choose the package name to consist only of lower case letters (a-z), digits (0-9), plus (+) and minus (-) signs, and periods (.). It must be at least two characters long, must start with an alphanumeric character, and must not be the same as existing ones." |
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| 03:10.58 | somiaj | my idea of because of it is used in versions is probabaly false (+ and - can be used), so unsure on why this limitation exists. If it is just policy or due to how package names are handeled and prased to keep special characters to a minimum. |
| 03:13.06 | shay_shay | tried installing mailutils to check it out bit it was installing exim4 as a dependency |
| 03:13.28 | shay_shay | lame |
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| 03:13.44 | shay_shay | oh I'll just compile and stow it :) |
| 03:14.04 | grill | how can I install g++ 4.8 on debian squeeze? |
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| 03:14.16 | Patero | somiaj: you're saying I can't install that module on my 3.16? |
| 03:14.55 | dvs | grill: apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:14.59 | somiaj | Patero: it probabaly is just functionality being split into two modules from a single one. |
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| 03:15.09 | somiaj | ,v g++ |
| 03:15.10 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:5.2.1-4; stretch: 4:5.2.1-4 |
| 03:15.24 | dvs | doh! |
| 03:15.36 | grill | so it looks like i need the package form jessie. can i get it |
| 03:15.37 | somiaj | hmm, gives metapackage version not actual package version. |
| 03:15.38 | grill | ? |
| 03:17.06 | somiaj | grill: what are you trying to do? If you are trying to backport some software you also need to backport the libaries required to build/run it |
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| 03:17.06 | grill | somiaj the latest version of node.js requires g++ 4.8 to compile |
| 03:17.06 | ecbrown | grill: i would upgrade the whole os |
| 03:17.09 | grill | ok. how can I pin to PHP 5.3.3.7 then? |
| 03:17.24 | grill | + all relevant dependencies |
| 03:17.24 | somiaj | grill: you could build in a jessie chroot, but not sure if something built on jessie will nicely run on squeeze |
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| 03:17.53 | grill | should I just compile g++ 4.8 from source? |
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| 03:18.08 | grill | this is an incredibly annoying problem |
| 03:18.19 | somiaj | you could try that, but that may be a bit difficult since it wasn't introduced until jessie, not sure if it would compile against the libaries in squeeze. |
| 03:18.53 | ecbrown | grill: just curious, why do you want that old php |
| 03:18.57 | ecbrown | production? |
| 03:19.11 | shay_shay | somiaj: Judd says there is a tree of unsatisfiable build deps... but nothing too serious he just needs to work backwards |
| 03:19.12 | grill | ecbrown for an archive I have on this machine. |
| 03:19.40 | CitizenZero | Hello, I am new to Debian and Linux in general. I am running the LiveCD, but it refuses to connect to my wired internet connection. Does anyone have time to help me? |
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| 03:20.14 | maazu | CitizenZero: during install did the installer asks for firmware? |
| 03:20.15 | dvs | CitizenZero: Use the nonfree LiveCD image |
| 03:20.19 | somiaj | shay_shay: yea I have nevr tried to backport a compiler. Unsure if it would require any libc6 changes though. |
| 03:20.29 | somiaj | shay_shay: i.e how core of libaries need to be backported with it. |
| 03:20.32 | shay_shay | grill if you are going to build a bunch of stuff and use it outside of apt, the learn how to use GNU stow. it is like a package manager for your /use/local |
| 03:21.04 | CitizenZero | I have the exact same problem with Ubuntu and Linux Mint. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 03:21.27 | maazu | CitizenZero: my gut feeling is firmware needed for your network card |
| 03:21.38 | dvs | CitizenZero: Use the nonfree LiveCD image |
| 03:21.59 | CitizenZero | Where do I acquire that? |
| 03:22.27 | ecbrown | grill: i would then suggest to install gcc 4.8 from source. it's not hard -- just make sure not to install into /usr |
| 03:22.28 | dvs | CitizenZero: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 03:22.29 | grill | ok. I think I can use clang 3.4. let's see if i can get that |
| 03:22.30 | somiaj | grill: http://sekati.com/etc/install-nodejs-on-debian-squeeze, this is a bit dated (2012) so not sure if it will help. But since squeeze is loosing lts in 2016 I belive, I would really look at updating the php to a more recent version (well the software you are running) |
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| 03:22.44 | somiaj | yea install sorce things in /usr/local |
| 03:23.00 | shay_shay | gnu stow: it's really simple, you just ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/foobar && make && make install && cd /usr/local/stow && stow foobar |
| 03:23.05 | ecbrown | i would suggest /opt, so it's easier to nuke |
| 03:23.11 | grill | somiaj nah. that's an old version of node. the biggest problem is that node.js gets updated so frequently |
| 03:23.12 | shay_shay | add your user to staff group first |
| 03:23.33 | somiaj | grill: that is what I thought, wasn't sure if that would hlep |
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| 03:26.06 | grill | it's ok. thanks anyway. you tried :) |
| 03:26.06 | shay_shay | grill: check out this tutorial i am working on, its about thos very topic: https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/8f5ca675703857131bdf |
| 03:26.06 | shay_shay | for your problem I would use method 3, build and stow, for all the required parts |
| 03:26.06 | somiaj | grill: I see reports of those isntructions working up until sometimes in 2014 (then no more comments). So guess that g++ requirement is very new? |
| 03:26.27 | grill | somiaj possibly. I am looking now. |
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| 03:27.13 | grill | perhaps i can get the package from ubuntu? that seems dangerous though, no? |
| 03:27.21 | shay_shay | I guess I am being ignored |
| 03:27.25 | shay_shay | :D |
| 03:27.39 | grill | shay_shay nah. i just popped your link |
| 03:27.45 | ecbrown | heh "go home your drunk" |
| 03:28.01 | ecbrown | you don't need gcc > 3.3 |
| 03:28.23 | grill | incoming multi-line |
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| 03:28.24 | grill | Prerequisites: |
| 03:28.24 | grill | * `gcc` and `g++` 4.8 or newer, or |
| 03:28.24 | grill | * `clang` and `clang++` 3.4 or newer |
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| 03:28.30 | grill | sorry. |
| 03:28.46 | shay_shay | well a lot of people want the new package just because the version number is bigger |
| 03:28.58 | shay_shay | hence the "you're drunk" ending |
| 03:29.01 | grill | so latest needs g++ 4.8 or clang++ 3.4 |
| 03:29.28 | ecbrown | grill: btw, i was just kidding about the 3.3 thing. ;-) |
| 03:29.43 | grill | node.js tends to move very fast, so it can be very useful to have the latest |
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| 03:31.15 | grill | I think I am going to try to upgrade to wheezy |
| 03:31.19 | grill | how can I pin php? |
| 03:31.34 | ecbrown | i think it's easier to compile gcc... |
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| 03:32.04 | grill | this is the second time today that i've run into a problem with packages. i might as well nip this problem now |
| 03:32.07 | shay_shay | !pinning |
| 03:32.07 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 03:32.54 | shay_shay | I remembered the factoid being a little more negative than that |
| 03:33.11 | somiaj | grill: I woudln't pin the php from squeeze and install wheezy. I would really look at chaging your requirement for outdated php if you want to use modern things like node.js. But in this case, backporting gcc may be the best bet. |
| 03:33.11 | shay_shay | maybe I'm thinking of frankendebian |
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| 03:33.58 | somiaj | also g++ 4.8 is not in wheezy or wheezy-backports as far as I can tell |
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| 03:34.12 | ecbrown | it's not, this is why i suggest compiling gcc. |
| 03:34.14 | grill | yeah. i figured i'd go and install jessie |
| 03:34.21 | shay_shay | yau |
| 03:34.27 | grill | rather, upgrade to jessie |
| 03:34.30 | shay_shay | that's the correct answer |
| 03:35.07 | ecbrown | (and prepare to port your php.ini to the new version) |
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| 03:36.00 | grill | I can upgrade and just keep php pinned though, right? |
| 03:36.09 | ecbrown | probably not reliably |
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| 03:37.01 | ecbrown | i think you'll get bumped up to 5.3.10 or somthing |
| 03:37.14 | grill | that's probably fine |
| 03:37.20 | grill | as long as it's still php 5.3 |
| 03:37.23 | ecbrown | (sorry, that might not be right) |
| 03:37.38 | ecbrown | i think it will be 5.6 |
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| 03:37.54 | grill | that would be very bad |
| 03:38.26 | ecbrown | yeah, so again, if you want to stay with php 5.3, and have your nice new node.js, then i suggest installing gcc from source, into e.g. /opt/gcc-4.8 |
| 03:39.12 | ecbrown | and you might as well try to go to gcc5, provided that mpfr et al. are new enough |
| 03:39.44 | grill | would installing from ubuntu be a "very bad idea" too? |
| 03:39.48 | ecbrown | yes |
| 03:40.01 | somiaj | as time goes on you will only encounter more issues like this and should really look to upgrade your php code to use a newer php. |
| 03:40.15 | grill | I'm going to get rid of this site soon anyway |
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| 03:40.27 | somiaj | ubuntu isn't going to have php5.3 for you either afaik. |
| 03:40.35 | grill | it's for a project I just shut down, but I need to keep it around for a little while |
| 03:40.47 | somiaj | there lts release is newer than wheezy I belive. |
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| 03:41.39 | ecbrown | ubuntu has proprietary software. it's bad |
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| 03:44.57 | grill | if I did the pin right, when i run apt-get upgrade, will it still say php is going to be upgraded? |
| 03:45.19 | ecbrown | yes, and probably overwrite your php.ini if you are not careful |
| 03:45.40 | grill | but it will pin php, correct? |
| 03:45.59 | ecbrown | oh, you're pinning. i have no experience with this. sounds error-prone |
| 03:46.14 | grill | I've done this before, but it was a long time ago |
| 03:46.23 | ecbrown | grill: $0.02 clone the disk |
| 03:46.30 | grill | yeah |
| 03:46.38 | grill | it's a big disk though. 1 tb |
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| 03:47.27 | chozha | how to get status of selinux? |
| 03:47.32 | shay_shay | 1tb is cheap |
| 03:47.41 | grill | ok |
| 03:48.03 | somiaj | but the php5 module of your http server will depend against the newer version of php5 which you are now maknig uninstallable. Many have told you not to mix versions like that with pinning grill |
| 03:48.38 | grill | sorry for the annoyance. I am just considering every option. |
| 03:48.44 | grill | gcc from source it is then |
| 03:48.44 | somiaj | I think backporting ++ is the best course of action to go, as opposed to trying to port php5.3 and deal with security issues on jessie. |
| 03:48.48 | ecbrown | have you considered compiling gcc? |
| 03:48.54 | shay_shay | grill pinning is a bad idea. I've nearly mastered the art in the past while the greybeards said I was doing a foolish thing. and I eventually came to agree with them |
| 03:49.20 | somiaj | could you run node.js from inside a chroot, in that case just build inside a jessie chroot |
| 03:49.43 | chozha | sudo setenforce permissive |
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| 03:50.08 | somiaj | chozha: what do you mean by status? like what version is avilable in debian? |
| 03:50.27 | somiaj | chozha: or like the status on if it is running and configured? |
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| 03:50.46 | chozha | i want to set sexlinux in permissive mode ? how to do it in debian 8 |
| 03:50.47 | ecbrown | is squeeze still getting security updates? |
| 03:51.14 | chozha | it tried dat in centos as "sudo setenforce permissive" |
| 03:51.24 | chozha | centos 66 |
| 03:52.44 | somiaj | !tell ecbrown about squeeze-lts |
| 03:52.50 | somiaj | ecbrown: partially |
| 03:53.05 | ecbrown | somiaj: ahh, thanks. i had heard that there was discussion about an lts, did not know if it happened |
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| 03:53.28 | somiaj | chozha: I'm unfamilar with it, but the wiki said https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#Steps_to_setup_SELinux, which puts it in permissive mode. |
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| 03:53.55 | ecbrown | hoping to make grill's decision "easier" -- if squeeze isn't being updated, then bad to advise someone to stay with that version |
| 03:55.20 | ecbrown | i've been having some issues with httpredir. not always 100% reliable... had to switch back to ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 03:56.33 | somiaj | chozha: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.selinux.html seems permissive mode is default unless you pass the kernel an 'enforcing=1' paramater. |
| 03:56.43 | chozha_ | somiaj: :( |
| 03:56.48 | somiaj | at least that is what i"m finding |
| 03:57.10 | somiaj | ecbrown: that seems strange? Same issue with http.debian.net? |
| 03:57.25 | somiaj | ecbrown: what version of debian and what kinda of issues? |
| 03:57.40 | chozha_ | my laptop suddenly turning off even though the charge is at 60% , so my ghost here somiaj |
| 03:57.53 | chozha_ | what is de possible reason ? |
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| 03:58.08 | chozha_ | some one told me to enable systed journal log :S |
| 03:58.13 | somiaj | that i'm unsure of. |
| 03:58.19 | somiaj | yea check logs |
| 03:58.32 | chozha_ | how to kick off ghost nick somiaj |
| 03:58.39 | somiaj | are you sure it is due to power level and not overheating and the mobo shuting down? |
| 03:59.12 | somiaj | chozha_: you have to wait till they time out (its gone now). If you have a registered nick you can use nickserv to take away the nick so you don't have to wait for hthe time out |
| 03:59.30 | chozha | somiaj: am sitting in an ac room, just running one vm only |
| 03:59.44 | chozha | not due to over hheading |
| 03:59.59 | somiaj | then I would start looking though logs in /var/log right before the boot up and see if you can determine what if anything is triggering. |
| 04:00.01 | chozha | how to check log regarding abnormal shutdown somiaj |
| 04:00.13 | chozha | messages ? |
| 04:00.18 | ecbrown | somiaj: i've been 1) wheezy -> jessie and also 2) jessie -> stretch |
| 04:00.24 | somiaj | that is a good one, look at the moment just before you booted it back up. |
| 04:00.59 | ecbrown | somiaj: apt-get would download a bunch of files, and then it would "miss" one or tow |
| 04:01.09 | somiaj | ecbrown: I could see strecth causing issues if you are getting multiple mirrors in a short time during a large transition. But unsure what issues you are actually running across. |
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| 04:01.20 | somiaj | ecbrown: due to 404's? |
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| 04:01.37 | ecbrown | eh, i forgot to look into it |
| 04:02.07 | ecbrown | i just remember being confused, as the httpredir site boasts about being resilient to partially-updated mirrors |
| 04:02.26 | somiaj | well ftp.us.debian.org will use a nameserver rotation, but once your local nameserver caches the ip it won't ask again. httpredir.debian.org may give you a different server for load balancing each time you request it which I could see causing troubles if you are getting packages undergoing transition. |
| 04:02.40 | somiaj | not sure if that is the case and what proections there are against it, but that is my very basic understanding. |
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| 04:03.32 | ecbrown | i can't begin to express how salty i am about mirror.anl.gov being taken down |
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| 04:03.42 | ecbrown | salty like a saltine cracker |
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| 04:03.50 | somiaj | welll if you see it happening again I'd check to see if it is a 404, or some other error stoping you from getting the file and then report a bug. Not sure how or what it is supose to keep from happening. |
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| 04:05.16 | ecbrown | somiaj: ok, will do. i think i will switch back if even to report a bug |
| 04:05.19 | ecbrown | thanks |
| 04:05.31 | somiaj | seems i'm still using http.debian.net |
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| 04:06.18 | ecbrown | i'm very skittish about breaking my stretch install... |
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| 04:06.51 | chozha | for what purpose this cmd used for ? echo -ne \\x1\\x0\\x0\\x0 > /etc/hostid |
| 04:06.58 | idiotisback | Hey guys I know this is not the right place but can someone help me out with an issue with shell scripting? |
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| 04:07.38 | idiotisback | I am writing a test for an OS in which I am expecting a value and comparing them both |
| 04:07.44 | ecbrown | idiotisback: how about going to #bash |
| 04:07.51 | chozha | or create an corn job to save all cmd history for a day in one file |
| 04:07.55 | idiotisback | They both are the same exact value but I am still getting an error |
| 04:08.17 | idiotisback | oh I did not know #bash existed thanks. |
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| 04:08.22 | ecbrown | yw |
| 04:08.53 | chozha | brb leme explore myself ... |
| 04:09.08 | shay_shay | that's what she said^ |
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| 04:14.32 | chozha | unixmen ? senthil |
| 04:14.38 | unixman | All Debian users must see this video about backdoors in Debian: http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
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| 04:14.49 | chozha | lol |
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| 04:15.30 | shay_shay | don't click it oh god its shock porn. |
| 04:16.27 | chozha | shay_shay: ?? :D |
| 04:16.37 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:16.38 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
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| 04:16.49 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.03 | chozha | unixman: dont spam :@ |
| 04:17.10 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.12 | unixman | All Debian users must see this video about backdoors in Debian: http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.14 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.15 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.16 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.17 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.18 | unixman | All Debian users must see this video about backdoors in Debian: http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.19 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ! http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.20 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm - http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.21 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm ? http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
| 04:17.21 | unixman | http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm $ http://2ch.pm/b/src/101509782/14417533733020.webm |
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| 04:17.33 | chozha | lol |
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| 04:46.54 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I just upgraded to Jessie and it appears reiserfsprogs is not in my initrd so the fsck on startup can't happen. how do I add it? |
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| 04:59.00 | Pegasus_RPG | Crap this is bad... update-initramfs -uv hangs at "Calling hook klibc" after I just upgraded to Jessie |
| 04:59.18 | Pegasus_RPG | Why could this be happening? there's plenty of room in /boot |
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| 05:40.13 | jaccob | How do I edit my env variables. I see some path variables, but I can't find them in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc so I can't seem to change them |
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| 05:49.41 | break3r | jaccob, $PATH=/... |
| 05:49.51 | break3r | you need to be root |
| 05:50.26 | jaccob | break3r, $PATH command not found |
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| 05:50.40 | break3r | set $PATH |
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| 05:53.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello again. I just upgraded to Jessie on this HP EliteBook 8440p. I'm using KDE and now when I log in, the system sometimes goes to sleep during the login process! |
| 05:53.53 | Pegasus_RPG | It also does so during logout multiple times, to the point where the display doesn't come back and I have to CTRL+ALT+DEL to get teh system to restart. What should I check to see why this might be happening? |
| 05:54.11 | Pegasus_RPG | I tried removing acpid but that made no difference. |
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| 05:54.52 | jaccob | break3r, thx |
| 05:55.02 | Pegasus_RPG | The only clue I have is in the syslog, right before a sleep: systemd-udevd[2742]: failed to execute '/lib/udev/socket:@/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' 'socket:@/org/fre$ |
| 05:55.53 | Pegasus_RPG | hm wait, earlier I see NetworkManager[1862]: <info> sleep requested (sleeping: no enabled: yes) |
| 05:56.50 | Pegasus_RPG | and systemd-sleep[2737]: Suspending system... |
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| 06:08.48 | Hust | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.53 | Hust | In kvm |
| 06:09.20 | Hust | Root doesn't access *qcow2 |
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| 06:11.53 | Hust | Can you help me |
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| 06:24.35 | Carly_f | hello. It's been awhile since i've used or downloaded a debian release. last I remember was version 6 which came on about 6 or so DVDs, I go to download debian 8.1 and only find 3 DVDs for i386; is this correct, or am I missing several DVDs? |
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| 06:28.27 | DominikB | Carly_f, no should do they reduced the size |
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| 06:33.43 | Carly_f | DominikB thanks |
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| 06:35.01 | Pegasus_RPG | Apparently systemd does NOT get along with my hardware |
| 06:35.14 | Pegasus_RPG | The damn thing refused to restart my system! |
| 06:35.48 | Carly_f | so the follow-up question comes "are most of the sme packages (eg: desktop environments, office, interet, multimedia, etc.) there?" as I am creating these DVDs for an offline installation |
| 06:36.42 | Pegasus_RPG | "systemd[1]: Requested transaction contradicts existing jobs: Transaction is destructive." |
| 06:36.58 | Pegasus_RPG | It's more destructive to hard-power-off the system! |
| 06:37.16 | Pegasus_RPG | Especially since the SysReq keyboard shortcuts apparently no longer work |
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| 06:38.33 | Pegasus_RPG | "systemd[1]: Failed to enqueue ctrl-alt-del.target job: Transaction is destructive." |
| 06:38.56 | Pegasus_RPG | Never thought I'd see the day when _linux_ of all OSs would refuse to restart my system! |
| 06:39.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anyone have any ideas or should I just remove systemd and go back to whatever came before? |
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| 06:44.05 | at0m | Pegasus_RPG: use "systemctl poweroff" |
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| 06:44.52 | Pegasus_RPG | at0m: so 'shutdown -h now' no longer works? |
| 06:45.04 | spaceone | I don't understand http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=1&topic=dh_installman |
| 06:45.25 | spaceone | how can i install my manpages correctly? They are created during build |
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| 06:45.37 | at0m | Pegasus_RPG: let me know :) |
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| 06:46.00 | spaceone | the directory structure is already fine (/usr/share/man/man5/, ...) |
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| 06:46.14 | spaceone | I could also just write the manpage into the .install file of the package |
| 06:46.16 | Pegasus_RPG | at0m: well when my system got into that state, it refused to obey that command |
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| 06:47.49 | treaki | hi |
| 06:47.50 | jinppk | I did an install of debian jessie and set the task for gnome desktop, but now i want to remove the whole desktop environment, but cant work out how. i tried purging the tasksel meta packaged to no avail |
| 06:47.53 | jinppk | any ideas? |
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| 06:48.25 | at0m | Pegasus_RPG: "man systemctl" then "/poweroff" to search |
| 06:48.37 | treaki | ive got some problems with my thinkpad x200s running debian testing after the upgrade to kernel version 4.1.0-1 |
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| 06:49.20 | at0m | dpkg: tell treaki about testing |
| 06:49.26 | Pegasus_RPG | at0m: thanks, that helps. |
| 06:49.37 | treaki | first of all the volume mute button had a firmware control before and now it is not anymore controlled by the firmware, but i liked the way it was |
| 06:49.57 | at0m | treaki: testing is not supported here but irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
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| 06:50.38 | treaki | secondly, if i close the lid the standby mode (done by systemd) isnt repayable anymore, and it can be the situation that the battary gets emty and the device very hot in my pocket |
| 06:50.43 | treaki | how can i fix this problems? |
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| 06:54.33 | treaki | ok, i will change to that at0m, thanks fo the advice |
| 06:54.57 | treaki | * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 06:55.08 | at0m | on irc.oftc.net? |
| 06:55.14 | at0m | see /topic |
| 06:55.40 | at0m | it's not +i: OFTC/#debian-next(+clnt) |
| 06:55.51 | treaki | ok, thanks |
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| 06:56.46 | no_gravity | On a machine with 8gb ram - would you guys still use a swap partition? |
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| 06:57.28 | DominikB | no_gravity, yes even on my 32gig ram workstaion i got a 8gig swap |
| 06:57.39 | jinppk | no_gravity: definatly |
| 06:57.49 | no_gravity | DominikB: interesting. why that? |
| 06:58.10 | treaki | no_gravity, it depends on what you planing with the system |
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| 06:58.12 | DominikB | no_gravity, linux likes to eat all of the ram for cache |
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| 06:58.28 | DominikB | and then it sometimes swaps even on 32gig |
| 06:58.46 | at0m | dpkg: tell no_gravity about crosspost |
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| 06:59.11 | no_gravity | DominikB: i see. so it will swap out 8g of stuff and you have more room for caching. |
| 06:59.16 | treaki | but if the ram gets full, and that is nearly on any system possible, youve got a big problem... |
| 06:59.51 | treaki | normally application memory has a higher priority then io cache |
| 06:59.52 | jelly | DominikB: "sysctl vm.swappiness" can be tuned to avoid that |
| 07:00.33 | treaki | but there can be situations where it is an advantage to swap unused application memory and use that space for caching to speed up the whole system |
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| 07:01.57 | jelly | it's not unused, else there'd be nothing to swap |
| 07:02.37 | DominikB | jelly, yeah i know have allready tuned it but when you run a lot of java application |
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| 07:03.17 | jelly | then you limit their VMs with -X options |
| 07:03.51 | DominikB | jelly, thats what i allready did |
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| 07:05.37 | jelly | then you have a legit reason for swap usage, it's not just cache |
| 07:07.44 | no_gravity | what could be a good size for a swap partition? i tend to give it 10gb. |
| 07:08.01 | at0m | dpkg: tell no_gravity about crosspost |
| 07:08.02 | tdn | I run a bind9 DNS server on Debian Wheezy on my LAN. When it has been running in a few days, it "stops working". That is, it ceases to resolve names in the internet correctly. It just gives an error that the domain name does not exist. However, when I check from a public DNS server, it does exist. Then I restart bind, and it starts working again. This happens periodically every few days. There is no obvious clues in the logs. Neither in the bind logs nor the gener |
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| 07:09.08 | tdn | Like right now, it cannot resolve names on bygma.dk. However, if I try to resolve bygma.dk via another dns server, it works just fine. THis has happened before, and when I restart bind, it starts working again. I am not sure where to begin investigate this problem. Hope you can help |
| 07:11.06 | at0m | tdn: i'd check bind logs, set to more verbose if nothing obvious comes out |
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| 07:12.06 | bezaban | tdn: bind can be time sensitive when forwarding to another dns |
| 07:12.26 | bezaban | blind guess, but I've had similar issues which was due to out of sync clocks in the past |
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| 07:12.51 | tdn | bezaban, time sensitive? What does this mean in this context? |
| 07:12.54 | tdn | bezaban, oh. |
| 07:12.57 | tdn | bezaban, let me check. |
| 07:13.17 | tdn | bezaban, nope. Local time on the server is correct. I use ntp to keep it up to date. |
| 07:13.32 | bezaban | tdn: shouldn't be that then :/ |
| 07:13.48 | tdn | at0m, what to look for? Nothing seems to be logged when I do a "host bygma.dk". |
| 07:14.29 | tdn | at0m, oh. Just tried again just now. Now it does log something: named[32692]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'bygma.dk/A/IN': 2001:b20:1001:4::2#53 |
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| 07:14.38 | tdn | at0m, however, at the same time, it DOES resolve the name?! |
| 07:14.54 | bezaban | do you have ipv6 connectivity? |
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| 07:21.38 | tdn | bezaban, no |
| 07:22.04 | tdn | bezaban, but I guess it is enabled by default? But my ISP does not use IPv6 |
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| 07:25.04 | at0m | tdn: disable ipv6 for bind. iirc, /etc/default/bind |
| 07:25.05 | bezaban | tdn: you could try OPTIONS="-4" in named conf, but I need to go work |
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| 07:25.34 | bezaban | er, no, in the file at0m mentioned |
| 07:26.04 | bezaban | /etc/default/bind9 |
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| 07:26.36 | bezaban | OPTIONS="-u bind -4" |
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| 08:00.39 | Alcapote | Hi, do you know a free alternative of zimbra community, I am searching a new mail server like zimbra (webmail, anti-spam, smtp server, pop/imap server) ? |
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| 08:01.17 | g00se | thought that Zimbra was rather more than that |
| 08:01.20 | DominikB | Alcapote, dovecot+postfix+sogo+openchange |
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| 08:07.20 | Alcapote | I don't like the webmail of sogo ^^ |
| 08:08.06 | DominikB | Alcapote, then use roundcube :D |
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| 08:10.23 | Alcapote | ok ok :) |
| 08:10.35 | g00se | You could try Kolab |
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| 08:11.54 | DominikB | g00se, replace the bonic pluage with ebola ? |
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| 08:14.34 | Asenar | Hi, I m in debian 7.9 and rkhunter says gnupg is out of date (1.4.12), but apt doesn't tell me a new upgrade is available (Â apt-cache policy -t wheezy-backports). Do you have a clue about what I can do ? |
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| 08:17.07 | yareckon | hey folks, where can I see the list of packages that we removed from debian between versions, and the reason? |
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| 08:17.31 | yareckon | specifically, I want to track down why csseditor was removed after wheeze |
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| 08:17.40 | g00se | DominikB: Well it's _meant_ to be just a fitting together of the kinds of components you mentioned |
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| 08:18.11 | yareckon | ironically cssed was one of the best GUI large file editors on linux |
| 08:18.26 | yareckon | 300MB sql dump, no problem |
| 08:18.31 | themill | yareckon: so you don't actually want a list of removed packages and reasons, you actually want a reason for removal of csseditor -- there's a very big difference in those questions |
| 08:18.57 | yareckon | I assumed the later would be in a list of the former |
| 08:19.11 | themill | not really |
| 08:19.23 | themill | ,bug rm cssed |
| 08:19.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/615548 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: cssed -- RoQA; orphaned; abandoned upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-02-27; last modified: 2014-01-16. |
| 08:19.48 | yareckon | hotdamn |
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| 08:20.18 | g00se | yareckon: Your goal - get cssed on stable? |
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| 08:20.45 | yareckon | well, it's more like editing large files on a regular basis :) |
| 08:21.14 | yareckon | I write css with netbeans oddly enough |
| 08:21.17 | g00se | No problem - use wheezy |
| 08:21.40 | DominikB | g00se, yeah but i dealt with kolab many times that its faster just to hand craft these together |
| 08:21.42 | yareckon | I guess I could just try to install the deb |
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| 08:22.13 | g00se | Interesting DominikB. I was once looking at it |
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| 08:23.11 | HoloIRCUser2 | hi |
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| 08:23.17 | wils0n | http://45.55.248.70/hFpY9b |
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| 08:52.50 | jww | Hello. |
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| 08:54.09 | jww | I wish to setup apache 2.4 forward secrecy in jessie , but I need openSSL version 1.0.2. any suggestion on how I should install it ? |
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| 09:03.36 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 09:04.21 | pfote | jww: not sure if its a good idea to try a different openssl .. but i'm 100% sure you can get PFS with lower openssl versions. i have wheezy's with apache2.2 that support PFS |
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| 09:05.52 | Agiofws | i'm getting strange behavior on my pc lately. It loads grub starts to boot into the OS but hangs from time to time what should i check to trouble shoot it? Could it be my hard disk? also suspend to ram worked but now it just hangs when i try to wake the host up. |
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| 09:06.36 | DominikB | Agiofws, did you check your syslog for errors ? for the time you try to wake up |
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| 09:08.02 | Tanger | Hey guys, if I have Debian Wheezy and I add a sid main repository to my /etc/apt/sources.list, does that mean it'll essentially update all my system's libraries with whatever matches the sid main repo? |
| 09:08.50 | Agiofws | DominikB, i have can i paste them for you to see? |
| 09:09.10 | DominikB | Agiofws, yep put it on the pastebin |
| 09:09.34 | DominikB | Tanger, nope because of apt pinning |
| 09:10.11 | jelly | Tanger: don't do that, you'll break your system |
| 09:10.38 | jelly | DominikB: pinning won't save him, and it's not enabled by default anyway |
| 09:10.48 | jww | pfote: that would be nice, but in every doc I've read with apache 2.4 it say it need openSSL 1.0.2 . |
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| 09:11.15 | Tanger | Yeah, I kinda figured it would wreck it. |
| 09:11.22 | Tanger | CLOSE CALL THERE! |
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| 09:12.02 | pfote | jww: try this config: http://pastie.org/10406979 |
| 09:12.23 | jww | pfote: allright ! |
| 09:12.45 | pfote | jww: if you set dh-param (which you can on 2.4), you can use the commented-out cipher suite |
| 09:12.50 | Agiofws | DominikB, http://pastebin.com/H3Yy7b8Y that is from pm-suspend.log |
| 09:13.00 | DominikB | jelly, i allways asume that the unstable repo has a very low apt-pinning score by default |
| 09:13.14 | jelly | DominikB: it doesn't |
| 09:13.22 | pfote | jww: the short one is for wheezy and contains only ciphers that are not vulnerable to logjam |
| 09:13.42 | pfote | jww: this should give you a "A" grade on ssllabs |
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| 09:13.50 | pfote | (assuming the rest is ok) |
| 09:13.51 | DominikB | ok jelly we life we learn |
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| 09:14.24 | jww | pfote: I thinked that to enable forward secrecy I must use SSLOpenSSLConfCmd DHParameters, shouldn't I ? |
| 09:14.30 | DominikB | Agiofws, ok but nothing on syslog |
| 09:14.38 | jww | pfote: note I have A- now, but I test with those new parameters. |
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| 09:15.34 | pfote | jww: that dhparam stuff has nothin to do with PFS .. its protection against logjam |
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| 09:16.04 | jelly | jww: that's incorrect, you just need to mess with cipher order and choice to get FS with your desired clients |
| 09:16.09 | jww | pfote: I may have misunderstood ! |
| 09:16.23 | Agiofws | DominikB, http://pastebin.com/Nk5mJyCJ syslog |
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| 09:17.28 | jww | pfote: woot you were right, I got A now . thanks ! |
| 09:17.40 | pfote | jww: you're welcome |
| 09:17.44 | DominikB | Agiofws, you run on a nvidia system |
| 09:17.46 | jww | jelly: yea I'll go back read the doc . |
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| 09:25.42 | chozha | Creating a new SSL certificate request for puppetmaster.domain.name ?? actually my hostname is puppetmaster alone where come domain.name comming from |
| 09:26.05 | chozha | any help ? is dns suffix appending ? |
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| 09:26.54 | chozha | jelly: pls |
| 09:26.59 | chozha | help me |
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| 09:30.09 | DominikB | chozha, whats your fqdn of the server |
| 09:30.28 | chozha | i dont know. its my local pc |
| 09:30.58 | chozha | just trying to set up a puppet lab for doing certification |
| 09:31.24 | DominikB | chozha, ok then you can go along with your certifacte |
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| 09:41.32 | jelly | chozha: yes? |
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| 09:45.08 | Burps | Hi. I'm using iptables-persistent for my fw-rules : is there a way to keep SOME rules still applied after a stop ? like masquerading, keeping open for some stuff, etc ? |
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| 09:55.00 | petn-randall | Burps: I don't know if you're willing to switch, but shorewall offers such functionality (and many more features). |
| 09:56.13 | Agiofws | DominikB, yes i do |
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| 10:05.55 | spaceone | hm, how can i specify multiple debugging package in dh_strip? |
| 10:06.00 | spaceone | packages* |
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| 10:11.20 | SynrG | spaceone: sounds like a question for #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:17.25 | spaceone | SynrG: okay, thanks |
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| 10:28.07 | rio | hi, on my debian 8 system nscd is often causing 100% cpu load, after a `systemctl restart nscd` everything is okay for a while |
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| 10:31.27 | ChrisH | rio: I saw similar on other systems/OS in the past years... Why do you use nscd? |
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| 10:36.36 | petn-randall | rio: You could strace it to see what it's doing. It might be that another program is just requesting tons of DNS lookups, causing the CPU load to spike. |
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| 10:47.15 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys have a nice morning and nice UTC for other places... hehehehhehee! |
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| 10:50.54 | vlt | SOUL_OF_R00T: Good UGC morning! |
| 10:51.38 | vlt | *UGT, even |
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| 10:54.50 | rio | ChrisH: LDAP |
| 10:55.25 | rio | petn-randall: can i attach strace to a running process? i remember it was possible, but i'm not sure |
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| 10:59.35 | rio | petn-randall: most of the time it's just sitting at epoll_wait(18, ... |
| 10:59.44 | rio | petn-randall: see https://gist.github.com/anonymous/76b60b620a2a36c4062a |
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| 11:00.55 | ChrisH | rio: lsof -p 2577 and check for FD 17 and 18 if it exists |
| 11:02.17 | rio | nscd 5748 root 17u netlink 0t0 211552 ROUTE |
| 11:02.20 | rio | nscd 5748 root 18u 0000 0,9 0 6624 anon_inode |
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| 11:06.36 | ChrisH | rio: looks like nscd is talking to itself. Have you checked the performance impact when stopping nscd? On Solaris a touchg /etc/hosts or /etc/nsswitch.conf caused an internal restart. Maybe GNU-nscd does similar. From Solaris I know this misbehaving and disabling nscd was the staandard approach :) |
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| 11:09.33 | rio | ChrisH: this is a machine in a university network, i'm not sure if it's okay to disable nscd |
| 11:10.04 | rio | nscd is just for caching stuff for me locally right? so it shouldn't have any impact |
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| 11:13.42 | rio | i just disabled it, let's see how it works out, thanks! |
| 11:13.47 | Vladimirski | What is "range size" in dmidecode? |
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| 11:15.31 | jelly | rio: lack of nscd can adversely impact lookups when you have a remote user db, like ldap |
| 11:15.58 | jelly | rio: unscd is slightly more stable than the original IME |
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| 11:16.57 | unborn | Vladimirski, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+%22range+size%22+in+dmidecode%3F |
| 11:17.29 | Vladimirski | unborn: lol thanks :) |
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| 11:18.05 | unborn | Vladimirski, I am hoping that did make magic smile on your face :) you're welcome! |
| 11:18.51 | Vladimirski | unborn: I even spontainiously created a minor laugh at the office :) |
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| 11:20.25 | unborn | Vladimirski, just in a mind.. did you find the answer? |
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| 11:21.54 | rio | jelly: can i just install it as a drop in replacement? |
| 11:21.57 | Vladimirski | unborn: not sure yet, reading... |
| 11:22.06 | rio | without nscd icedove segfaults :| great |
| 11:22.13 | unborn | Vladimirski, sure.. enjoy then.. |
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| 11:25.04 | unborn | jelly, you and me should go for a beer one day :) |
| 11:25.22 | rio | jelly: thanks, unscd seems to do the job |
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| 11:55.41 | ToApolytoXaos | to whom it may concern, I think on testing 64-bit with latest updates, Chromium 45.0.2454.85-1 has a bug, because I open htop and filter "chromium" and obviously see threads spawning all over the place. I first heard my HDD making some weird noises and checked my processes and could not see something suspicious. Then I searched for the browser which was the only window opened at the time and found this peculiar behavior. |
| 11:56.50 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm running testing, currently on kernel 4.1.0-2. What's the best way of updating it to 4.1.4, or how long will it probably take for 4.1.4 to arrive in testing? I've got an issue with bluetooth which that update apparently fixes. |
| 11:56.55 | jelly | ToApolytoXaos: noone here is concerned about testing really |
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| 11:57.07 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:57.08 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
| 11:57.24 | ToApolytoXaos | alright; thanks for letting me know |
| 11:57.44 | An_Ony_Moose | Oh, same for me too then I guess :) thanks |
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| 11:58.07 | jelly | ToApolytoXaos: if there's a change in behaviour from past, and if something does not work, use reportbug |
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| 11:58.47 | El-Aurian | hi, if I want to compile a 32bit version of the development wine for what will ultimately be a 64bit workstation, would it be best to install a 32bit debian testing, and 'apt-get source wine-development', 'apt-get build-dep wine-development', 'debuild -b -uc -us', replace 32bit with 64bit apt.sources, 'aptitude full-upgrade', reboot, 'dpkg -i '/var/tmp/wine-development.deb'? |
| 11:59.20 | ToApolytoXaos | thank you jelly |
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| 11:59.53 | El-Aurian | It strikes me that this would be less complicated that creating a 32bit build environment, which was recommended to me the other day |
| 12:00.35 | jelly | El-Aurian: you don't have to install, a chroot environment would work as well |
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| 12:00.52 | jelly | is it less complicated? Yes. |
| 12:01.07 | jelly | but booting to and fro is more annoying |
| 12:01.29 | El-Aurian | jelly: can you give me a exhaustive list of tools I'd need? |
| 12:02.11 | El-Aurian | the reason I'm taking this approach is because I have a small window of opportunity to get this working, hence I need to know whatever approach won't fail to download all the 32bit dependencies |
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| 12:02.29 | jelly | El-Aurian: nope, but look at schroot and debootstrap |
| 12:02.59 | El-Aurian | jelly: what do those do? |
| 12:03.27 | jelly | debootstrap creates a debian chroot. schroot is a nice wrapper to run commands in a chroot |
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| 12:04.46 | ksk | hey debian. I have a line "shutting down for system halt" in my syslog - any way to find out how this shutdown was issued? thanks |
| 12:04.50 | g00se1 | Talking of Icedove, is it just me or have they (seemingly) dropped most functionality on attachment status in search?? |
| 12:04.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | Heya, I can't log into my jenkins installation on jessie since an upgrade from 1.624 to 1.628. I get an "invalide login information" error. |
| 12:04.51 | jelly | El-Aurian: it's not too hard to debootstrap i386 stretch, then chroot into it and run your build-dep and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:05.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | Can I somehow force the configuration to be reset to default? |
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| 12:05.14 | El-Aurian | jelly: If I do it the way I suggested, at what stage do I specify the i386 dependencies? |
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| 12:05.23 | jelly | El-Aurian: provided stretch is actually usable at the time you do it |
| 12:05.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | the config file didn't get updated, so I'm quite sure its an issue with the old version of the config file |
| 12:05.58 | El-Aurian | how do I make sure that the i386 is clearly specified, so a change of repositories doesn't result in 64bit dependencies being pulled in |
| 12:06.06 | jelly | El-Aurian: if you install and boot 32bit debian, I don't think there's anything to specify at all |
| 12:06.21 | jelly | El-Aurian: likewise inside of an i386 chroot |
| 12:07.15 | jelly | El-Aurian: but since you're talking about testing, verify everything I've said in #debian-next, over on irc.oftc.net (NOT here on freenode) |
| 12:07.39 | El-Aurian | jelly: the wine32-development will need to depend upon :i386 packages. I'm conscious that following the build when I upgrade the workstation to 64bit, by changing the repositories, that the dependencies the package pulls in are then 64bit |
| 12:08.15 | El-Aurian | for wine32-development to work it needs to specifically depend upon :i386 packages |
| 12:08.19 | jelly | El-Aurian: "upgrade the workstation to 64bit" -- this is not possible at the moment |
| 12:08.38 | jelly | there's no supported way to switch architectures |
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| 12:08.50 | El-Aurian | ok |
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| 12:10.11 | jelly | (also,repo configuration in debian doesn't work that way at all) |
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| 12:11.40 | El-Aurian | right, I'll try downloading debian 64bit and putting it into a virtual machine on my laptop |
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| 12:17.23 | g00se1 | discovered that attachment status disappears if Run On Server is checked in Icedove |
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| 12:26.22 | vev_ | i m looking for people who have spare time to help me developing libreidea.org / Je cherche des gens qui ont du temps pour m'aider à développer libreidea.org - /contact me on the new project #libreidea |
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| 12:33.39 | jelly | El-Aurian: no, but build deps are |
| 12:34.17 | El-Aurian | jelly: where are package depedencies specified? |
| 12:34.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell El-Aurian about package rebuild |
| 12:34.59 | jelly | El-Aurian: they're generated at build time, in part from debian/control |
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| 12:36.21 | El-Aurian | jelly: so I need to check debian/control to see whether the i386 dependencies are clearly specified? |
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| 12:36.33 | jelly | El-Aurian: what's your goal? |
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| 12:43.30 | jelly | El-Aurian: you're asking questions as if there's something that might go wrong with the build process on an i386 installation; in my experience, that's just not possible |
| 12:44.02 | jelly | El-Aurian: not in the sense that the build process will suddenly generate amd64 code or something |
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| 12:44.51 | Vladimirski | unborn: I got the answer now:D |
| 12:45.12 | unborn | Vladimirski, shoot it out :D |
| 12:45.14 | El-Aurian | jelly: I want to ensure that building and packaging on a wine32-development on 32bit debian and then installing on a 64bit version doesn't encounter dependency issues by 64bit dependencies being pulled in |
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| 12:47.21 | jelly | El-Aurian: that just can't happen. Something built on i386 can't have amd64 deps |
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| 12:48.37 | El-Aurian | jelly: that's fine. I was concerned that if the package doesn't automatically build with a clear stipulation of the dependency architecture that this could occur |
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| 12:51.28 | jelly | El-Aurian: nah, that would require cross-arch build support for one thing, and you don't get that by default |
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| 12:57.12 | Mohamed_DZ | how can I find my IP, no "ifconfig" command found, and how to change it on "jessie" |
| 12:57.32 | SynrG | ip addr |
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| 12:57.54 | SynrG | see the 'ip' man page for other commands/options |
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| 12:58.41 | Mohamed_DZ | ok I found it, how to change it? is there easy way? |
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| 12:59.26 | jelly | Mohamed_DZ: a temporary or a permanent change? |
| 12:59.46 | jelly | the same "ip" command can be used to add and delete ip addresses |
| 13:00.03 | jelly | on a temporary basis, that is |
| 13:00.05 | Mohamed_DZ | I don't care, anything is good |
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| 13:00.43 | El-Aurian | jelly: from your last comment, I think our wires are crossed |
| 13:01.01 | Mohamed_DZ | jelly: you mean I can use multiple local IPs! |
| 13:01.09 | jelly | Mohamed_DZ: of course |
| 13:01.39 | El-Aurian | I want to build on a 32bit distro and for it to install onto a 64bit as :i386 |
| 13:01.48 | El-Aurian | will this work? |
| 13:01.54 | Mohamed_DZ | It's fine to do that, all work correctly ? |
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| 13:02.11 | abrotman | El-Aurian: Debian has a 32bit veresion already .. why are you building your own distro? |
| 13:02.56 | El-Aurian | abrotman: i'm building a package on debian 32bit, which I then want to be able to install onto debian 64bt |
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| 13:03.32 | El-Aurian | on debian 64bit :i386 packages exist |
| 13:03.48 | rozie | El-Aurian: you can use chroot or cross compile |
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| 13:04.10 | jelly | El-Aurian: those only exist if you add i386 as foreign arch, and install them |
| 13:04.12 | El-Aurian | in my mind, if I build a package on debian 32bit, it should then be installable and all dependencies satisfied by :i386 packages on the debian 64bit |
| 13:04.30 | rozie | but if you want to build i386 package, you can do it on i386 system |
| 13:04.36 | jelly | El-Aurian: what are you trying to build? |
| 13:04.51 | rozie | :i386 packages on amd64 are just i386 packages |
| 13:04.52 | themill | El-Aurian: no, not all libraries can be co-installed like that on a different architecture |
| 13:04.55 | jelly | ,v wine32-development --arch i386 |
| 13:04.56 | judd | Package: wine32-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.7.50-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.50-3; sid: 1.7.51-1 |
| 13:04.56 | rozie | it's called mulitarch |
| 13:05.09 | rozie | !tell El-Aurian mulitarch |
| 13:05.15 | El-Aurian | jelly: wine32-development |
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| 13:05.31 | jelly | El-Aurian: what's wrong with the version from jessie, or jessie-backports? |
| 13:05.39 | rozie | !tell multiarch |
| 13:06.05 | El-Aurian | jelly: it doesn't have a patch I need to have |
| 13:06.51 | jelly | the patch is not present in 1.7.50 yet? |
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| 13:07.26 | El-Aurian | no, because it's a hack to make microsoft office run |
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| 13:07.58 | jelly | El-Aurian: then sure, go build a backport with your patch in an i386 chroot or on an i386 installation |
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| 13:08.06 | themill | El-Aurian: Maybe I've missed something here.... what's stopping you from adding this patch to the debian packaging and then rebuilding the debian package? |
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| 13:08.39 | El-Aurian | themill: I'm just proactively taking precautions |
| 13:08.52 | El-Aurian | I'm installing a 32bit debian into a VM now |
| 13:09.12 | El-Aurian | I don't want to create a package which I can't then use tomorrow |
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| 13:09.40 | jelly | if you're not able to use it, it won't be because of a 32/64 bit mixup. |
| 13:09.41 | themill | Your "precautions" seem to have had us running around in useless circles for an hour. You could have finished the build and tested it in that time. |
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| 13:10.30 | El-Aurian | themill: no I couldn't, because the VM has been installing all this while |
| 13:10.57 | jelly | El-Aurian: that's weird, a base install should complete in around 15 minutes tops |
| 13:11.22 | jelly | unless your host is vastly overcommitted |
| 13:11.25 | El-Aurian | it's just the spec of my laptop |
| 13:12.24 | El-Aurian | and the fact I'm maxing out Costa's wireless |
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| 13:15.40 | nnull | Put's 8.1.0 Live amd64, reboots, hits a black screen dead loop of some sort, and thinks of linus torvalds |
| 13:15.48 | nnull | what is the cause of this in 2015 |
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| 13:21.34 | jelly | nnull: usually, user bought the hardware suboptimal for linux installations |
| 13:21.53 | jelly | (often: too new components) |
| 13:22.10 | nnull | jelly, hmm i see |
| 13:23.39 | jelly | linux distros don't work the same on all the hardware, and the ones caring about free software (Debian among them) may keep using free drivers even if they're buggy |
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| 13:24.54 | jelly | however if you grab a 2011-2013 thinkpad T or X series with intel gpu only, that has a much better chance of working |
| 13:25.00 | DominikB | god bless non-free repo |
| 13:25.34 | jelly | even then you may need non-free firmware for wifi |
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| 13:30.17 | Yolo | ?/w Maz |
| 13:30.19 | Guest14257 | WOps |
| 13:30.42 | Supp | :> |
| 13:30.54 | BananaJo3 | Hi, we're a small business company, and want to switch from Windows to Debian. Is Debian good choice for desktops and mid-level servers? |
| 13:31.23 | DominikB | BananaJo3, yep i would say so |
| 13:31.26 | Supp | Debian |
| 13:31.31 | Supp | Linux Mint |
| 13:32.16 | BananaJo3 | Supp: Linux Mint is based on Debian, no? If yes, we want the original, Debian ;) |
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| 13:32.25 | Supp | Hmmmmm |
| 13:32.27 | bezaban | whatever flavour your admins are most familiar with will be the best, most likely |
| 13:32.38 | nnull | BananaJo3, Yeah you'd think so wouldn't you |
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| 13:33.13 | themill | BananaJo3: #debian is unlikely to disagree with that desire. |
| 13:33.18 | Supp | If I was you BananaJo3, I would first try it out for a monnth |
| 13:33.29 | Supp | Maybe you wont even like it |
| 13:33.44 | Supp | https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 13:33.55 | BananaJo3 | The reason why we want to switch to Debian, it saves maintenance time and cost instead of Windows and Windows Server. We want a stable desktop and mid-level server without many manual maintenance. |
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| 13:35.04 | nnull | possibly learning to use cron is quicker than learning to use powershell? |
| 13:35.12 | nnull | most def |
| 13:35.15 | BananaJo3 | I know Debian ... |
| 13:35.19 | BananaJo3 | I'm familar with it |
| 13:35.30 | BananaJo3 | But i never used it on a desktop |
| 13:35.40 | jelly | BananaJo3: is upgrading the OS and migrating services every two years a little manual maintentance or a lot? |
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| 13:35.57 | BananaJo3 | jelly: I would think little |
| 13:36.06 | BananaJo3 | or say little |
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| 13:37.24 | nnull | jelly, are there any distrobutions you could recommend that lean in favor of newer hardware? |
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| 13:38.14 | BananaJo3 | Isn't every dist a good one for newer hardware? |
| 13:38.29 | BananaJo3 | AFAIK the kernel provides all device drivers etc |
| 13:39.04 | jelly | nnull: this is a linux driver issue in general -- the distros can't fix it. If you want to run linux, either avoid getting latest hardware, or prepare to lose time making it work |
| 13:39.23 | Stummi | BananaJo3, I am pretty happy with debian testing on my desktop. Alltought in the current moment (libstdc++ transition) setting up a debian testing is probably a bit PITA |
| 13:39.39 | linuxthefish | how can i resolve error "Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.debian.org:80 (2001:610:1908:b000::148:12). - connect (101: Network is unreachable)" ? |
| 13:39.53 | Stummi | linuxthefish, fix your network settings |
| 13:40.02 | linuxthefish | ? |
| 13:40.07 | BananaJo3 | Stummi: You mean the testing repo, right? Is it stable on your desktop? |
| 13:40.11 | nnull | jelly, debians the first distro ive tried out of 5 that cant boot into the main installer screen |
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| 13:40.27 | jelly | nnull: but most distros are faster than Debian in getting newer versions in. Try Ubuntu LTS, or Ubuntu, or Arch maybe. |
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| 13:40.40 | themill | nnull: the live image isn't for installing |
| 13:40.47 | Stummi | BananaJo3, depends on what you mean with stable. If you know how to work with aptitude to solve some minor konflikts here and there it will work out for you |
| 13:41.10 | DrDamnit | Something keeps changing my /etc/resolve.conf to put ipv6 nameservers from my ISP in there. I have uninstalled network-manager. I want this configured statically the way I set it up. What's changing it? |
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| 13:41.22 | BananaJo3 | Stummi: Okay, sounds that I need to try this with one or two computers. |
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| 13:41.45 | Stummi | linux-modder, "network is unreachable" means, your linux does not know how to reach 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12 |
| 13:41.49 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: disable DHCP / DHCPv6 |
| 13:41.57 | linuxthefish | how do i disable ipv6 in debian? |
| 13:42.24 | linuxthefish | Stummi, but it can reach it via ipv4 |
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| 13:42.35 | linuxthefish | and no ipv6 address is showing in ifconfig |
| 13:42.39 | zykotick9 | DrDamnit: you might also consider uninstalling the resolvconf package... i believe it will be "manual" only after that. |
| 13:42.47 | BananaJo3 | linuxthefish: Then you can't connect remote IPv6 hosts |
| 13:42.58 | linuxthefish | BananaJo3, my ISP does not have ipv6 :/ |
| 13:43.12 | Stummi | linuxthefish, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
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| 13:46.28 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: I only had isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common installed. They have been removed. (apt-get remove). We'll see if that works. |
| 13:46.45 | DrDamnit | zykotick9: resolvconf was not installed. |
| 13:47.15 | zykotick9 | DrDamnit: ahhh, then i certainly don't have any further suggestions. Good luck. |
| 13:47.20 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: removing these packages aren't needed, just setup a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:50.14 | BananaJo3 | Can I combine the DVD ISO images to a single ISO to copy it to my 32 GB USB drive? |
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| 13:54.46 | rdz | hey all. I'm migrating Debian OpenVZ containers to VMware and a bunch of those containers have i386 architecture. now, what kernel should i install on them: linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-i686-pae? |
| 13:55.05 | rdz | what's the difference between them when the system is i386? |
| 13:55.46 | BananaJo3 | amd64 == 64-Bit / x86_64 |
| 13:56.00 | BananaJo3 | i386 / i386-pae == 32-Bit / x86 |
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| 13:56.42 | BananaJo3 | i386 have some limits |
| 13:56.43 | jelly | rdz: both will work. |
| 13:57.24 | jelly | rdz: the -amd64 flavor has better behaviour if your VMs have >4GB RAM. |
| 13:57.38 | BananaJo3 | ^ what i mean ;) |
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| 13:59.10 | BananaJo3 | Can I combine the DVD ISO images to a single ISO to copy it to my 32 GB USB drive? |
| 13:59.34 | jelly | rdz: however old versions of vmware-tools get really confused when you have a 64bit kernel and 32vbit userspace |
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| 14:03.12 | chozha | router local domain name is appended with hostname in debian ?? how to avoid this |
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| 14:04.40 | ychaouche | Hey #debian |
| 14:04.52 | alabalism | hey |
| 14:04.52 | ychaouche | I don't why this seems to not work https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/a5b1837ef1058352670d/raw/006c7f342c4a7b99d1c08f266f8d77d73c0bce2d/gistfile1.txt |
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| 14:05.01 | ychaouche | it's a crontab entry |
| 14:05.24 | SynrG | ychaouche: what's the filename? |
| 14:05.25 | chozha | eg. if router local domain name is belkin and linux hostname is hell , while generating ssl cert de cert is generated in the name of hell.belkin.pem instead of hell.pem ? |
| 14:05.31 | ychaouche | SynrG: it's the output of crontab -l |
| 14:05.34 | ychaouche | well, part of it |
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| 14:05.38 | ychaouche | the part that doesn't work |
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| 14:06.15 | chozha | genius jelly ? any suggestion |
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| 14:06.55 | BananaJo3 | will marry Debian ;) |
| 14:07.17 | ychaouche | whole file is : https://clbin.com/UhoDM |
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| 14:07.59 | jelly | chozha: hey dude, please stop highlighting just me. If I have time and know-how, I'll comment. If I don't comment, maybe I'm busy... |
| 14:08.32 | chozha | okay jelly :( |
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| 14:10.01 | chozha | sudo passenger-install-apache2-module ? by which way this package is installing its neither apt-get , gem install ? |
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| 14:11.11 | ychaouche | also nothing in syslog |
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| 14:13.18 | SynrG | ychaouche: so you're using crontab -e to enter these as root? i guess the file would be /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
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| 14:13.32 | ychaouche | yep SynrG |
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| 14:13.45 | ychaouche | the part with the IP addresse 10.10.10.21 works fine |
| 14:13.53 | ychaouche | the one with the IP addresse 10.10.10.20 isn't running |
| 14:13.58 | ychaouche | when I run by hand it runs fine though. |
| 14:14.39 | ychaouche | ooops |
| 14:14.45 | ychaouche | I think it works now |
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| 14:15.48 | ariejan | Ola. I have a new debian 8 system, but I keep seeing "Failed to start System Logging Service" for rsyslog. I googled, but can't find any clear-cut solution. Does this look familiar to anyone? |
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| 14:18.10 | SynrG | ychaouche: 5/10 and 10/15 make no sense. the part before the slash is supposed to be a range. see man 5 crontab |
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| 14:18.47 | ychaouche | SynrG: it means start at the fifth minute then run for every 10 other |
| 14:19.08 | ychaouche | so 5/15/25/35/45/55/5 etc. |
| 14:19.34 | SynrG | k. i was just reading "Ranges are two numbers separated with a hyphen." |
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| 14:19.53 | SynrG | i didn't see anything there that indicated a range could be a single number |
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| 14:20.38 | SynrG | it also says "Steps are also permitted after an asterisk" |
| 14:21.25 | jelly | ychaouche: 5-59/10 |
| 14:21.47 | SynrG | ^ |
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| 14:25.27 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: zykotick9 : eth0 is setup as inet static. dhcp has been disabled / uninstalled. Machine has been rebooted (to stop any rogue process I don't know about), and resolvconf package is not installed. /etc/resolve.conf is STILL getting set to nameserver 2001:558:feed::1 instead of 8.8.8.8 . Thoughts? |
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| 14:27.09 | zykotick9 | DrDamnit: sorry, i have no insights... good luck. <sidenote> it's resolv.conf the e is AWOL ;) |
| 14:27.39 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: What does 'ifconfig' show? |
| 14:27.51 | BananaJo3 | a link-local address? (fe80:::) |
| 14:28.20 | Chozha | ... |
| 14:28.22 | BananaJo3 | Do you have a DHCPv6 server in your router? Check it, and disable it |
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| 14:29.09 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: maybe disable IPv6 (LAN and Internet) completely in your router if you don't have public IPv6 and if it isn't needed |
| 14:29.15 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: It shows my normal ipv4 address that I have configured as the static IP. I have DHCPv6 in the router, and it is in use in other areas of the network. So, I can't disable that. |
| 14:29.24 | DrDamnit | I just want debian to stop listening to it. |
| 14:30.14 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: I have the same problem, with a FRITZ!Box. I've disable IPv6 in my machine, but get IPv6 DNS addresses ... |
| 14:30.18 | DrDamnit | This is for my nagios box, and every time /etc/resolv.conf gets changed to Comcast's nameservers, nothing resolves (because comcast sucks like that) and I get thousands of alerts generated. |
| 14:30.22 | BananaJo3 | I need to lookup what I did to disable that ... |
| 14:31.21 | DrDamnit | I have disabled IPv6 entirely on that box out of desperation, but that seems like I am taking a sledge hammer to a small nail. |
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| 14:32.13 | BananaJo3 | disable with sysctl? ( /proc/sys/net/* OR sysctld./*.conf ) |
| 14:32.16 | BananaJo3 | * disabled |
| 14:32.51 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: Disabled with: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
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| 14:33.02 | BananaJo3 | Okay, that's like sysctl |
| 14:33.08 | BananaJo3 | Gimme a minute, need to lookup what I did |
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| 14:34.53 | BananaJo3 | edit /etc/gai.conf, and change or add the line: |
| 14:35.11 | BananaJo3 | precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 |
| 14:35.25 | BananaJo3 | it works for me, i get IPv6 DNS; but IPv4 will be preffered |
| 14:35.54 | DrDamnit | That line is already there, but commented. Uncomment? |
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| 14:36.02 | BananaJo3 | yes |
| 14:36.10 | DrDamnit | done. |
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| 14:36.13 | DrDamnit | Let's see what happens. |
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| 14:36.16 | DrDamnit | thanks, btw. |
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| 14:36.30 | BananaJo3 | I think you must reboot your machine to take changes in effect, but I'm not sure |
| 14:36.50 | DrDamnit | Then I'll reboot. I already have 10,000 alerts in my inbox. Another few thousand won't hurt. |
| 14:37.30 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 14:37.31 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 14:37.58 | BananaJo3 | jelly: It didn't worked for me |
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| 14:38.03 | BananaJo3 | Still for IPv6 DNS |
| 14:38.11 | BananaJo3 | * got |
| 14:38.40 | jelly | BananaJo3: that doesn't make sense if the kernel's booted with no ipv6 |
| 14:38.52 | BananaJo3 | But I got IPv6 DNS |
| 14:38.57 | jelly | !override dns |
| 14:38.57 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
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| 14:40.30 | ychaouche | Scratch that. Just used an asterisk. |
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| 14:43.06 | shay_shay | http://hastebin.com/icihetiyam.txt does anyone know what this compile error means? |
| 14:44.38 | shay_shay | that mean i need to edit argp-eexst.lo ? |
| 14:45.09 | Penix | shay_shay: no |
| 14:46.22 | DrDamnit | shay_shay: It seems that the compiler (or make) does not want you to use that verision of the file because gets is a security hole. I'd look for a newer version or use the repo version. |
| 14:46.45 | jelly | it probably means gets() is a security hole...? |
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| 14:47.18 | nnull | soon humans will come to the conclusion computers themselves are security holes |
| 14:47.21 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: DOes it work now? |
| 14:47.36 | DrDamnit | just rebooted. Checking... |
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| 14:48.56 | shay_shay | DrDamnit: which file, argp-eexst.lo or stdio.h:409:1? |
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| 14:50.02 | Penix | shay_shay: any reason you're compiling 'mailutils' from source, and not using the available package? |
| 14:50.20 | shay_shay | because i want to |
| 14:50.25 | DrDamnit | shay_shay: I'd look at all three. But, as Penix asks: why are you compiling from source when the available package works? |
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| 14:50.35 | DrDamnit | Use the package unless you have a specific need to compile from source. |
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| 14:50.55 | shay_shay | i'm practicing |
| 14:51.06 | shay_shay | thats a specific enough reason |
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| 14:51.47 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: your IPv6? |
| 14:51.50 | Penix | well, great chance to get some search engine practice, I guess |
| 14:51.53 | BananaJo3 | Sorry for annoying :P |
| 14:52.00 | DrDamnit | It would be different if you had a reason. For example, php5-readline doesn't work correctly. I have to compile PHP5 from source to use it. |
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| 14:52.12 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: I had a typo in my dhclient.conf file. I fixed it, rebooting, and checking in a minute. |
| 14:52.13 | shay_shay | Penix: i have a more specific reason its just more long winded |
| 14:52.29 | shay_shay | deathleff: yes there is a more specific reason |
| 14:52.32 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: okay, good luck :) |
| 14:52.40 | shay_shay | DrDamnit: ^ |
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| 14:53.23 | Penix | shay_shay: since there's a perfectly fine binary package it's likely you'll get the same responses from the dwellers of this channel |
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| 14:53.36 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: No joy. |
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| 14:54.05 | BananaJo3 | shay_shay: compiling the package from source will result into the same package pre-built in the repo |
| 14:54.30 | shay_shay | DrDamnit: Penix: I am compiling on my vps, the debian package depends on exim4 which i dont want to install because my vps is serving the role of a mail server already |
| 14:54.46 | shay_shay | so i was afraid i would break my mail server |
| 14:54.57 | shay_shay | i just wanted to try one part of mailutils\ |
| 14:54.59 | jelly | shay_shay: it doesn't depend on exim4 specifically, it just depends on any packaged MTA |
| 14:55.00 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: damn :( |
| 14:55.03 | shay_shay | not install exim4 |
| 14:55.04 | DrDamnit | shay_shay: It will not break the server. |
| 14:55.12 | jelly | ,depends mailutils |
| 14:55.13 | judd | Package mailutils in jessie/amd64 -- depends: mailutils-common (= 1:2.99.98-2), default-mta | mail-transport-agent, guile-2.0-libs, libc6 (>= 2.14), libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.2), libgc1c2 (>= 1:7.2d), libgnutls-deb0-28 (>= 3.3.0), libgsasl7 (>= 1.1), libkyotocabinet16 (>= 1.2.76), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libmailutils4 (>= 1:2.99.98), libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpython2.7 (>= 2.7), libreadline6 (>= |
| 14:55.14 | judd | 6.0), libtinfo5, libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~). |
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| 14:55.26 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: I know. Damn. |
| 14:55.35 | jelly | shay_shay: that's what Depends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent ... means |
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| 14:56.01 | BananaJo3 | !noipv6 |
| 14:56.01 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 14:56.06 | BananaJo3 | DrDamnit: ^ give it a try |
| 14:56.23 | Dagger | suggests finding and fixing the actual problem, rather than trying to disable v6 |
| 14:56.25 | jelly | shay_shay: instead, show what happens if you try to "apt-get install mailutils" |
| 14:56.26 | hypermist | Since this debian im using is barebones and is hosted on proxmox. |
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| 14:56.31 | DrDamnit | shay_shay: http://xyproblem.info/ |
| 14:56.34 | hypermist | how can i restart it ? |
| 14:56.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell shay_shay about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 14:56.48 | BananaJo3 | Dagger: He already found the problem |
| 14:56.57 | Dagger | if Comcast's v6 DNS servers don't work... there has to be a reason for that, and it's probably not "the servers are broken" |
| 14:57.16 | hypermist | Since this debian im using is barebones and is hosted on proxmox. how can i restart it ? |
| 14:57.20 | shay_shay | DrDamnit: ive read that before, and this is not an xy problem. i know why i'm doing it, and it's still valid |
| 14:57.32 | DrDamnit | BananaJo3: Doing that next. It's the last thing of the suggestions I havent' tried. Doing it now. |
| 14:57.37 | shay_shay | thanks jelly |
| 14:58.08 | DrDamnit | Dagger: I've used comcast for years, and their DNS is not as reliable as 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. |
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| 14:59.05 | BananaJo3 | Dagger, DrDamnit: The Comcast DNS servers don't work for me, traceroute gives me routing errors o.O |
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| 14:59.52 | DrDamnit | Dagger: BananaJo3 - Bingo. |
| 15:00.50 | Dagger | it seems extremely unlikey that a Comcast customer will have routing problems to a Comcast DNS server |
| 15:01.01 | BananaJo3 | I'm not a Comcast customer |
| 15:01.05 | Dagger | especially when *I* can reach 2001:558:feed::1, and I'm not even in the right continent |
| 15:01.56 | DrDamnit | Dagger: improbable, but not impossible. Everything times out for me. But other IPv6 DNS servers work fine. |
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| 15:02.00 | BananaJo3 | the traceroute stops at the 5th eurorings.net point for me |
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| 15:07.03 | Dagger | DrDamnit: can you ping them? does a traceroute at least get out of your own network? |
| 15:07.27 | DrDamnit | Yes. I can ping and tracert to Google's IPv6 DNS servers. Just not to Cocmasts. |
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| 15:07.54 | DrDamnit | ping6 and traceroute6 |
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| 15:09.51 | Dagger | it's kinda bizarre that you just can't reach those specific servers, especially when they're your own ISP's |
| 15:10.18 | BananaJo3 | I can ping and traceroute 75.75.75.76, with a ping of ~3000 ms ... but not 75.75.75.75 and the other two IPv6 servers |
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| 15:11.04 | Dagger | BananaJo3: in your case I think it's probably down to your ISP (or their upstreams) |
| 15:11.29 | BananaJo3 | Dagger: My ISP is healthly, the route fails at the eurorings datacenters |
| 15:13.41 | Dagger | then it's your ISP's responsibility to put pressure on eurorings, or to put pressure on their immediate upstream to do so |
| 15:13.46 | BananaJo3 | Ping to Google's DNS (v4+v6): 2ms |
| 15:13.48 | Dagger | or failing that, to adjust routes to avoid eurorings |
| 15:14.39 | BananaJo3 | What have my ISP to do with eurorings? My ISP isn't eurorings, it's only a routing point |
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| 15:18.17 | shay_shay | is going to do a XYProblem parody about people who don't how how to do X so they tell you to do Y and pretend like you've made an error in your decision making |
| 15:18.48 | Dagger | BananaJo3: well apparently they're sending traffic to Comcast via Eurorings (or via somebody else who is), and if that isn't working then they need to stop doing that, or get the someone else to stop |
| 15:19.14 | Dagger | BananaJo3: although I'm testing from the Eurorings looking glass and it's working fine to both 75.75.75.75 and 2001:558:feed::1 |
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| 15:19.48 | BananaJo3 | Dagger: cause of different routing hosts ... but, you're not intelligent enough, forgot networking. |
| 15:19.58 | BananaJo3 | * forget |
| 15:20.44 | Dagger | raises eyebrow |
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| 15:22.32 | markybob | okay. that was unnecessary |
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| 15:23.13 | DrDamnit | Dagger: It's not bizzare. We stopped using 75.75.75.75 and 75.75.75.76 years ago because of similar issues. They were slow to respond. I think it's just a volume problem. Comcast must have periods of time where their DNS is overwhelmed. I have the feeling that this server has been using 2001:558:feed::1 for a while, but only recently did their DNS start having problems, and so therefore, I... |
| 15:23.15 | DrDamnit | ...noticed it was doing this. |
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| 15:26.01 | Dagger | BananaJo3: it'd be nice if you'd try to explain where I'm going wrong, rather than assuming I'm not smart enough to understand if you did |
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| 15:27.44 | Dagger | DrDamnit: broken DNS is the kind of thing you'd expect them to pick up on, though |
| 15:27.53 | Dagger | DrDamnit: but ok, so the obvious thing to do here is to tell your router to stop giving out Comcast's DNS servers |
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| 15:29.22 | abrotman | DrDamnit: what sort of issues are you having? |
| 15:29.34 | BananaJo3 | Dagger: no |
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| 15:34.54 | DrDamnit | abrotman: When /etc/resolv.conf is set to 2001:558:feed::1, nagios cannot monitor things. Ping fails. nslookup fails. Setting /etc/resolv.conf to use 8.8.8.8 fixes the issue instantly. But, several minutes later, it gets set back to the upstream DNS servers. I have tried disabling IPv6, putting supercede in dhclient.conf, uninstalling anything related to dhcp. uninstalling resolvconf. I... |
| 15:34.56 | DrDamnit | ...cannot figure out what is is resetting the nameservers. |
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| 15:36.29 | somiaj | DrDamnit: figure out what program is modifing /etc/resolv.conf, could it be you are using dhcpcd. Or look into using something like openresolv (or resolvconf) to manage /etc/resolv.conf for you. They can be configured to add specific lines to the file or even keep an eye on it so it stays how you want it. |
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| 15:37.20 | DrDamnit | somiaj: I don't want anything managed for me. This box has a static IP, and I want to dictate the nameservers. I just want it to stay setup the way I set it up. |
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| 15:38.34 | somiaj | DrDamnit: well then figure out what program is making the changes and configure it/fix it. I was just mentioning openresolv as a way to avoid that (there are many different programs that make modification to the file, hence the tool to make it so programs don't make changes to the file) |
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| 15:39.10 | somiaj | I personally installed it on my static ip setup because I like to be able to set the dns in the interfaces file which has options that work with that package to do so. |
| 15:39.11 | qman__ | chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; monitor syslog for programs erring out |
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| 15:39.47 | DrDamnit | somiaj: It's the figure out part I'm struggling with. I've disabled / removed anything I can think of that would modify it. |
| 15:40.17 | Dagger | surely the better thing to do here, if you don't want to use these DNS servers, would be to stop your router from advertising them in the first place |
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| 15:41.53 | BananaJo3 | Dagger: following the conversation would help .. he can't disable IPv6 in his router, he already said this 3 times |
| 15:42.21 | markybob | BananaJo3, he didn't say disable ipv6, did he? |
| 15:42.25 | Dagger | BananaJo3: I'm a little bit distracted... but I said to change the advertised DNS servers, not disable v6 |
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| 15:42.43 | markybob | why's everyone on the attack today? damn |
| 15:42.54 | BananaJo3 | I'm not attacking |
| 15:43.00 | BananaJo3 | And I don't want to |
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| 15:43.41 | berarma | I've configured LVM cache in a newly installed Debian Jessie and now it doesn't boot. I've followed instructions in this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119644 |
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| 15:44.08 | berarma | The error I get is: modprobe failed, failed to determine version of cache kernel module |
| 15:44.52 | rozie | DrDamnit: you can chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf, but that's kinda hardcore |
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| 15:45.05 | Chozha | berarma: :o |
| 15:45.50 | berarma | any info as to how to proceed from here? I guess the install CD won't let me boot either. Which live cd could I use and how should I fix it? What could have gone wrong? |
| 15:46.05 | DrDamnit | rozie: qman__ I'm using chattr. Got to figure out what is changing this file. |
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| 15:46.30 | Dagger | DrDamnit: are you running rdnssd? or network-manager/systemd-networkd/etc? |
| 15:46.45 | rozie | DrDamnit: how did you supresede in dhclient.conf, exactly? |
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| 15:47.59 | DrDamnit | Dagger: Yes! rdnsd is running! Is that a likely culprit? |
| 15:48.25 | DrDamnit | rozie: !override dns |
| 15:48.34 | Dagger | DrDamnit: it's the daemon that sets your DNS server from the RAs your router is sending |
| 15:48.38 | DrDamnit | !override dns |
| 15:48.39 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 15:49.09 | Dagger | but the right thing to do is stop your router from sending that DNS server in the first place, not to configure all your systems to ignore it |
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| 15:49.31 | DrDamnit | chkconfig rdnssd off. |
| 15:50.04 | DrDamnit | I only want this system to ignore it because it's generating thousands of emails and alerts for everything we monitor within 2,000 miles. |
| 15:50.07 | petn-randall | berarma: The article mentions that you need to add the module to initramfs. You can do that by adding it to /etc/modules and running 'update-initramfs -k <kernelver> -u'. |
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| 15:50.20 | petn-randall | berarma: You need a live system to boot from, though. |
| 15:50.27 | rozie | DrDamnit: OK, supersede works (for me) |
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| 15:50.53 | berarma | I used the initramfs hook in the post |
| 15:51.02 | rozie | some time ago I found something else (can't remember what) and it didn't work |
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| 15:51.41 | Dagger | DrDamnit: but if the DNS server really is broken, surely you don't want your other systems using it either |
| 15:52.00 | berarma | petn-randall, I used the initramfs hook script in the post |
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| 15:52.17 | berarma | which live cd should I use? It must have LVM cache support. |
| 15:52.25 | DrDamnit | No, but as you mentioned, I need to do a system wide fix for that. In the meantime, I have got to shut off all these alarms. |
| 15:52.38 | DrDamnit | There's so much noise, I cannot separate real problems from anything else. |
| 15:53.01 | petn-randall | berarma: I don't know what the script does, but it doesn't look it adds that module. |
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| 15:53.14 | markybob | Dagger stop being logical. it's not getting through and you're wasting time |
| 15:53.24 | petn-randall | berarma: did you chmod +x the script before running update-initramfs? |
| 15:53.31 | rozie | DrDamnit: chattr +i will let you survive. you can fix router in that time |
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| 15:53.58 | berarma | petn-randall, no |
| 15:54.33 | petn-randall | berarma: then it probably didn't do anything, anyway. |
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| 15:55.11 | berarma | any recommendation for a live cd with LVM cache support? |
| 15:55.37 | DrDamnit | Dagger: YOU ARE THE WINNER. rdnssd was doing it. I have turned that off, now I can go back to fixing the problem on a network wide basis. Thank you everyone. |
| 15:55.39 | berarma | I guess that's the problem, now I need some way to boot. |
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| 15:56.22 | DrDamnit | Thanks to everyone who helped me find this. bye for now. |
| 15:56.43 | markybob | wow. people use chatzilla |
| 15:56.50 | petn-randall | berarma: The Debian live CD should come with everything that you have on your system. |
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| 15:57.22 | berarma | petn-randall, ok, I'll try it, thanks! |
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| 16:00.10 | shay_shay | markybob: lmao |
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| 16:05.40 | balance | hi debian-8.1.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso why is this amd64 and i386? |
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| 16:06.11 | somiaj | balance: it is a multi-arch installer, you can choose to install amd64 or i386 from that iamge. |
| 16:06.25 | balance | somiaj: I see ty |
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| 16:15.22 | finetundra_ | is it possible to use blackbox in a standalone fashion similar to openbox? |
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| 16:18.26 | somiaj | finetundra_: what do you mean by stand alone? |
| 16:18.55 | finetundra_ | as in on it's own without a DE. Just as the lone window manager |
| 16:19.00 | somiaj | finetundra_: but yes you can install blackbox and configure your system to load that wm when xorg is loaded |
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| 16:19.24 | somiaj | finetundra_: all windowmanagers can do this, jsut modify your $HOME/.xsession file to launch the required window manager, then run startx |
| 16:19.56 | somiaj | you can also configure yoru displaymanager to load a blackbox session (might even already be an option) not sure here |
| 16:21.37 | finetundra_ | sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager didn't show black box. would the dm show it? |
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| 16:22.53 | aaro | finetundra_: are you using a display manager? |
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| 16:24.04 | finetundra_ | aaro, not at this moment. well iirc a dm is what's presented at login, correct? |
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| 16:24.14 | aaro | yes |
| 16:24.31 | aaro | you use startx then? |
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| 16:25.11 | finetundra_ | aaro, no, I'm currently logged in through xrdp |
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| 16:26.52 | aaro | well you could use `xinit /usr/bin/blackbox` |
| 16:27.06 | finetundra_ | aaro, I typically use sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager to change what DE is in use. I was hoping that blackbox would also show up in there since openbox does |
| 16:27.58 | finetundra_ | aaro, what would that do? |
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| 16:43.18 | Achylles | How do I connect my xchat to freenode? It says that "irc.freenode.net" is a wrong address !!!??? |
| 16:43.43 | Achylles | Has something changed? |
| 16:44.00 | markybob | Achylles, you're on freenode right now... |
| 16:44.21 | Achylles | but I am using a browser... |
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| 16:44.37 | jkay17 | hi there. i'm running debian 8.2 64bit and have libreoffice 4.3.3 installed. unfortunately it nothing starts anymore after i installed a software called wine. i removed wine again but its not working again. i found out that if i remove only libreoffice-draw and impress, the rest works again. the menu is looking smaller and different though. how can i get it running fully an normaly again? :( |
| 16:45.13 | aaro | finetundra_: that would start X with blackbox as wm |
| 16:45.38 | Achylles | I want to connect to freenode using my client. |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | Achylles: irc.freenode.net resolves fine from here. what does "dig +trace irc.freenode.net." say for you? (install dnsutils package if you don't have dig) |
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| 16:46.34 | jelly | Achylles: it will be a longish output, so use http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:47.21 | finetundra_ | aaro, would that cause problems with the existing session? I might try it over putty if not. |
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| 16:49.54 | Achylles | I have dig and perhaps the port is wrong irc.freenode.net/8001 can I try other port? Which one? |
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| 16:50.18 | aaro | finetundra_: i'm not sure i understand what you're doing, i'm just telling how to start X from TTY with blackbox as wm |
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| 16:52.04 | finetundra_ | aaro, I'm logged into a desktop session over xrdp. If I were to run xinit /usr/bin/blackbox over something like putty would there be any issues? |
| 16:52.07 | Achylles | https://paste.debian.net/311215/ |
| 16:52.45 | finetundra_ | aaro, also, this won't permanently change anything right? |
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| 16:53.33 | jelly | Achylles: that's all she wrote? |
| 16:53.50 | achylles_ | jelly, Ok. Now it works again. I am using Xchat. |
| 16:54.13 | aaro | finetundra_: no, it's not permanent, it won't change anything |
| 16:54.17 | achylles_ | But took nearly 10 minutes to connect... |
| 16:54.25 | richie_ | hey guys this is sort of off topic but what is the best way to really learn linux ? honest question looking for honest answer brothers |
| 16:54.26 | jelly | achylles_: also, you're using ubuntu, so #ubuntu would have been the right channel to ask in the first place |
| 16:54.34 | finetundra_ | aaro, alright, let me try this over putty. Two seconds |
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| 16:54.52 | finetundra_ | erm, it won't hurt anything if I don't log out, right aaro? |
| 16:54.52 | aaro | finetundra_: desktop session confuses me? you get a TTY or a graphical session? |
| 16:55.12 | achylles_ | jelly, sorry I use debian and the other... |
| 16:55.35 | finetundra_ | aaro, I'm in a graphical session over xrdp. I'm going to try to run that command over putty and see what happens |
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| 16:56.29 | abrotman | drat .. |
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| 17:02.21 | Fjorgynn | hello |
| 17:02.38 | Fjorgynn | Anyone of you have experience with ufw wirefall? |
| 17:03.02 | markybob | !ask |
| 17:03.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:04.01 | Fjorgynn | I get a lot of messages in /var/log/ufw.log |
| 17:04.19 | thalos | :) |
| 17:04.30 | jkay17 | has anybody debian 8.2 and can pastebin me the output of dpkg -l | grep libreoffice? so i can check which packages are installed by default? |
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| 17:05.22 | finetundra_ | aaro, I ran the command and was told that I wasn't authorized to run the xserver\ |
| 17:05.45 | Fjorgynn | Sep 10 18:57:34 joker kernel: [75569.794862] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=04:01:3b:91:cf:01:84:b5:9c:fa:10:30:08:00 SRC=81.226.xxx.xxx DST=178.62.228.204 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x000x00 TTL=120 ID=10853 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=14540 DPT=80 WINDOW=1021 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0 |
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| 17:06.09 | Fjorgynn | and what I understand it's blocking SRC from accessing DPT=80? |
| 17:06.37 | aaro | finetundra_: sorry, i'm not familiarized with xrdp, ithought you were using a debian system directly |
| 17:06.57 | finetundra_ | aaro, it gave me that error over putty |
| 17:06.58 | markybob | jkay17, you can check yourself. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libreoffice |
| 17:07.08 | finetundra_ | an ssh client |
| 17:07.19 | jkay17 | markybob thank you! :) |
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| 17:08.38 | finetundra_ | aaro, if I didn't know better I'd try to run xinit as sudo but the last time I did that it made a mess |
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| 17:08.48 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Yes |
| 17:08.51 | Fjorgynn | thalos: why? |
| 17:08.58 | jhutchins | finetundra_: By default it will try to start an X session on the display you run the command from. If you're connecting via putty, it will try to use the xserver on the machine you're running putty from. If this is a windows box with no xserver, it will fail. |
| 17:09.27 | Fjorgynn | thalos: what I understand the port is open and I can go to the nginx-server from all my devices |
| 17:09.29 | jhutchins | finetundra_: What are you actually trying to accomplish? |
| 17:09.30 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Because there is a firewall rule setup to block port 80 |
| 17:09.34 | finetundra_ | jhutchins, would it not try to start it in the putty session? |
| 17:09.54 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Try running: iptables -L -v |
| 17:10.03 | thalos | Fjorgynn: That will give you a list of firewall rules |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins | finetundra_: Putty is not an xserver. You can run one on the same system, but putty doesn't do gui. |
| 17:10.21 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Maybe the private subnet's are exempt in your firewall rules? |
| 17:10.30 | jhutchins | finetundra_: Is putty being run on Windows? |
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| 17:10.45 | finetundra_ | jhutchins, yes |
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| 17:11.37 | finetundra_ | jhutchins, If I understand what you're saying, xinit would cause the server to try to start an xsession on the remote client? |
| 17:11.42 | markybob | finetundra_, https://wiki.utdallas.edu/wiki/display/FAQ/X11+Forwarding+using+Xming+and+PuTTY |
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| 17:12.13 | markybob | x forwarding can make it so |
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| 17:12.40 | Fjorgynn | thalos: http://178.62.228.204/test.txt |
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| 17:13.18 | finetundra_ | markybob, sadly I don't have admin on the client machine |
| 17:13.40 | Intensity | Hi. I'm wondering what the strategy is around firefox (iceweasel) security updates over time. It looks like wheezy/jessie are fixing security issues by upgrading to a recent version (38.2.1esr-1), even though wheezy had started out with a lower major version. On the other hand, squeeze is fixed at 3.5.16-20. |
| 17:13.45 | markybob | finetundra_, then you're done |
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| 17:14.28 | jkay17 | markybob, i found out why i cant open my libreoffice sutt anymore: there seems to be a problem with the rights.. when i open it with sudo in terminal (sudo lowriter i.e.) it works, do you know how to fix it? |
| 17:15.09 | markybob | jkay17, pastebin the command as a normal user |
| 17:15.17 | finetundra_ | sighs |
| 17:15.18 | Intensity | It's my assumption that in the future, wheezy and jessie will continue to update major versions as needed to get to a secured version (as opposed to a patching approach). Also I guess that 3.5.16-20 is out of date and has certain vulnerabilities since its last update was years ago. |
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| 17:15.53 | Fjorgynn | thalos: I have no idea |
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| 17:15.57 | finetundra_ | alright I gotta go guys' |
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| 17:16.43 | jkay17 | markybob if i try to do "lowriter" without sudo, terminal doesnt complain or give me any information, the libreoffice startscreen appears for a quater of a second and dissapears again thats it |
| 17:17.24 | markybob | jkay17, try rm -rf ~/.config/libreoffice/ |
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| 17:18.24 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Well, I'm guessing this is some kind of automated firewall setting script you are using but basically there is a rule that deny some traffic that's not local |
| 17:19.06 | thalos | I think this ufw thing has some console gui where you can change policies in a easy way |
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| 17:19.27 | nezZario | Hey guys, --- I'm in a bit of a pinch. I had lightning strike my WiFI setup and I'm just trying to very quickly get something running again. I want to setup my PC downstairs as an Access Point -- can you generally do this with any old rinky dink wifi adapter? |
| 17:19.38 | jkay17 | markybob with it says it could not find the command |
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| 17:19.56 | thalos | Fjorgynn: Here's a resource https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW |
| 17:20.08 | markybob | jkay17, rm is built-in. no way it couldn't find it. did you misspell? |
| 17:21.33 | g00se | nezZario: afaik no. Vanilla adpaters receive, not broadcast |
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| 17:21.47 | jkay17 | markybob, yes i did, and libreoffce works again! thanks a lot! |
| 17:21.55 | markybob | jkay17, you're welcome :) |
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| 17:22.26 | Fjorgynn | thalos: hm |
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| 17:27.25 | Fjorgynn | thalos: maybe I should learn to use iptables instead? |
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| 17:29.15 | Fjorgynn | thalos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138691&p=12617681#post12617681 |
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| 17:29.27 | Fjorgynn | seems to be something about when it thinks the connection has been dropped |
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| 17:31.32 | jhutchins | Finetundra: Sorry, real life. |
| 17:33.49 | jhutchins | Fjorgynn: iirc ufw is just a script system to set up iptables. |
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| 17:34.55 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Is ufw running on the server, the client, or on a router in between? |
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| 17:35.26 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: my vps server |
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| 17:36.02 | neops | hello |
| 17:36.05 | petn-randall | The message you're seeing says that the kernel is dropping incoming (on eth0) packets going to port 80. I assume that 178.62.228.204 is either the firewall server itself or a webserver behind it. |
| 17:36.17 | Fjorgynn | the webserver/vsp |
| 17:36.19 | Fjorgynn | vps |
| 17:36.31 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Yeah, so you configured your firewall to block incoming traffic on that port. |
| 17:36.38 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: negative |
| 17:36.39 | Fjorgynn | http://pastebin.ca/3157853 |
| 17:36.45 | neops | i hant change/modif password root (i have error ): passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 17:36.50 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: it works fine |
| 17:36.52 | neops | help me please |
| 17:37.25 | petn-randall | neops: Which release are you running? |
| 17:37.33 | Fjorgynn | neops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M48EmDsdh_g ? |
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| 17:38.28 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Can you show us the full output of 'iptables -L -vn'? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:38.57 | jhutchins | neops: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 17:39.01 | je-m`en-foutiste | petn-randall, meh, pastebinit cannot upload to paste.debian.net |
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| 17:40.38 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/311225/ |
| 17:40.47 | Fjorgynn | So it seems to be only a handful people |
| 17:41.31 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Why are you accepting udp port 80? |
| 17:41.56 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: You also seem to have several duplicates for allowing tcp port 80. |
| 17:42.16 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Can you check the timestamps of the messages? It seems as though they happened earlier, before you added the allow rule. |
| 17:42.27 | Fjorgynn | dunno |
| 17:42.36 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: |
| 17:43.35 | Fjorgynn | Sep 10 19:40:28 |
| 17:43.46 | Fjorgynn | Thu Sep 10 19:43:46 CEST 2015 |
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| 17:44.37 | fossterer | Hi! What is the channel for 'Packaging help'? |
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| 17:45.37 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: I don't see how to remove duplicates |
| 17:45.41 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Ah, I see what's logging it. Check line 66 of your paste. It logs all invalid packets to your system. The log message you showed earlier had the TCP flags FIN+ACK set, which is invalid as a new state. |
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| 17:46.10 | markybob | fossterer, #debian-mentors on OFTC network |
| 17:46.12 | petn-randall | fossterer: #debian-mentors on irc.ofct.net |
| 17:46.17 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: aha |
| 17:46.22 | petn-randall | markybob: damnit, you were faster ;) |
| 17:46.23 | fossterer | Thanks all! |
| 17:46.30 | markybob | petn-randall, :) |
| 17:46.32 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: so it's not good? |
| 17:46.55 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: You probably want to disable that on a internet-facing server, or you'll go crazy. |
| 17:47.35 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: hmmm |
| 17:48.18 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: Ok. You know how? And how can I remove duplicates? |
| 17:48.26 | Fjorgynn | or is that needed? |
| 17:48.46 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: I don't really use ufw, so you'll have to check the config how to disable that. |
| 17:49.12 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Regarding the duplicates, it depends on how you added them. If you added them via command line, you should put those rules into the config. |
| 17:49.42 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Your server should be rebootable without having to add firewall rules by hand. |
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| 17:50.23 | Fjorgynn | I did do "sudo ufw allow 80/tcp" |
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| 17:50.47 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Yeah, it would suck if the VPS rebooted and you weren't around to fix that again. |
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| 17:50.59 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Check the documentation of ufw how to add it via configuration file. |
| 17:51.09 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: no I rebooted yesterday |
| 17:51.12 | Fjorgynn | it works fine |
| 17:51.17 | Fjorgynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.21 | Fjorgynn | accidentaly rebooted |
| 17:51.40 | petn-randall | Oh, ok, so ufw has some persistence then. Then you just need to figure out not to log invalid packets. |
| 17:51.55 | fossterer | Hi! I'm receiving this error on running lintian: "E: <pkg-name> source: source-is-missing data/panoramio/underscore-min.js" But the file is clearly available in the source package. |
| 17:51.58 | fossterer | Any pointers? |
| 17:53.45 | cliluw | Is it a bad practice to build a Debian package as root? |
| 17:53.59 | petn-randall | cliluw: yes. There's fakeroot for that. |
| 17:54.44 | markybob | fossterer, what is the package? |
| 17:55.04 | fossterer | peterlevi.com/variety |
| 17:56.12 | fossterer | markybob: Am I reading the report wrong? It says "source-is-missing" but it itself shows the valid path "data/panoramio/underscore-min.js". What is it missing then? |
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| 17:57.10 | markybob | fossterer, do you have node-underscore installed? |
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| 17:58.15 | fossterer | No but I could install the 'Variety' itself from the generated '.deb' file |
| 17:58.25 | fossterer | with no errors |
| 17:58.50 | fossterer | I'm in the process of uploading the package to debian repos and hence am doing a lintina check |
| 17:58.53 | petn-randall | Fjorgynn: Did you get the logging issue fixed? |
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| 17:59.12 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: not really |
| 17:59.25 | Fjorgynn | it's set to low |
| 17:59.35 | Fjorgynn | Status: active |
| 17:59.35 | Fjorgynn | Logging: on (low) |
| 17:59.47 | Fjorgynn | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/raring/man8/ufw.8.html |
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| 18:00.11 | jhutchins | !paste Fjorgynn |
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| 18:00.11 | dpkg | Fjorgynn: put your output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 18:00.24 | madmanwithabox | HI |
| 18:00.29 | madmanwithabox | I installed debian just today |
| 18:00.34 | madmanwithabox | and I want the gnome-shell |
| 18:00.37 | madmanwithabox | (gnome3) |
| 18:00.44 | madmanwithabox | but I installed the gnome-shell package |
| 18:00.55 | madmanwithabox | and there is not a entry in gdm |
| 18:00.59 | madmanwithabox | can anyone help? |
| 18:01.23 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 18:01.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:01.56 | petn-randall | ,v gnome-desktop |
| 18:01.58 | judd | No package named 'gnome-desktop' was found in amd64. |
| 18:02.21 | Fjorgynn | http://pastebin.ca/3157853 |
| 18:02.32 | Fjorgynn | jhutchins: yeah that was from the ubuntu page |
| 18:02.42 | markybob | madmanwithabox, you probably want to do apt-get install gnome-core |
| 18:02.56 | madmanwithabox | lemme try |
| 18:03.09 | markybob | madmanwithabox, then restart gdm (obviously) |
| 18:03.21 | madmanwithabox | okay |
| 18:03.21 | petn-randall | madmanwithabox: You need at least 'gnome-session' for it to show up in the menu. gnome-core if you want the core gnome utilites, too. |
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| 18:04.17 | madmanwithabox | be right back |
| 18:04.21 | madmanwithabox | it's installed |
| 18:04.23 | madmanwithabox | going to try |
| 18:04.54 | markybob | i wonder what he was using if he had to quit irc to try...hrm. |
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| 18:06.12 | madmanwithabox | I just tried |
| 18:06.14 | madmanwithabox | that |
| 18:06.17 | madmanwithabox | And it worked! |
| 18:06.22 | markybob | madmanwithabox, yay |
| 18:06.29 | madmanwithabox | but why am I using gnome 3.14? |
| 18:06.33 | madmanwithabox | that's really old |
| 18:06.55 | madmattco | how did you install gnome? |
| 18:06.58 | markybob | madmanwithabox, welcome to debian |
| 18:07.04 | madmanwithabox | sudo apt-get install gnome-shell |
| 18:07.06 | madmanwithabox | hehe |
| 18:07.11 | madmanwithabox | I just came from arch |
| 18:07.11 | madmattco | deb 8? |
| 18:07.15 | madmanwithabox | not used to old software |
| 18:07.17 | madmanwithabox | yep |
| 18:07.19 | madmanwithabox | deb 8 |
| 18:07.38 | madmattco | ive only installed gnome with the installer. on 7, i would use apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:07.43 | madmattco | i prefer slim and openbox though |
| 18:07.58 | madmattco | or plasma |
| 18:08.06 | Fjorgynn | petn-randall: also it shows the log in the digitalocean console did I notice |
| 18:08.07 | madmanwithabox | Yup, I used plasma on arch |
| 18:08.14 | madmanwithabox | okay |
| 18:08.23 | madmanwithabox | so if I install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:08.28 | madmanwithabox | will it replace gnome-shell? |
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| 18:08.34 | madmattco | you can only use that with 7 |
| 18:08.35 | madmanwithabox | also, isn't there a ppa for this? |
| 18:08.37 | markybob | madmanwithabox, no |
| 18:08.38 | madmattco | it was depreciated in 8 |
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| 18:09.26 | madmanwithabox | E: Package 'gnome-desktop-environment' has no installation candidate |
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| 18:09.53 | DominikB | madmanwithabox, apt-get install gnome gnome-core |
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| 18:10.00 | madmanwithabox | okay |
| 18:10.02 | madmanwithabox | lemme try |
| 18:10.02 | markybob | madmanwithabox, like he said...depreciated |
| 18:10.18 | madmanwithabox | that's gonna tanke some time |
| 18:10.19 | markybob | madmanwithabox, that's what i told you to try before? you didn't? |
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| 18:12.59 | madmanwithabox | It's going to take 21 minutes |
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| 18:13.55 | madmanwithabox | Also, the font rendering is really bad. is it because I don't have my Nvidia driver installed? |
| 18:14.14 | markybob | !fonts |
| 18:14.14 | dpkg | Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <liberation>, <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
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| 18:15.06 | Fjorgynn | hm |
| 18:15.07 | madmattco | did you do a minimal netinstall? |
| 18:15.11 | madmanwithabox | Yup |
| 18:15.23 | madmattco | it should have been using atleast the noveau driver or however its spelt |
| 18:15.23 | madmanwithabox | I install lxde because my net isn't that good |
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| 18:15.39 | madmanwithabox | how do you check that in debian? |
| 18:16.00 | madmattco | well its a kernal mode driver so you should be able to modprobe it |
| 18:16.03 | g00se | task-gnome-desktop? |
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| 18:18.10 | madmanwithabox | I'm using this page to install the drivers: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Identification |
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| 18:20.05 | markybob | madmanwithabox, well you're gonna hate yourself. use nouveau if you can |
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| 18:20.33 | markybob | madmanwithabox, the proprietary drivers are a nightmare |
| 18:21.35 | Junka | i installed debian but there was no plymouth like in the livecd, why |
| 18:21.38 | madmanwithabox | why? They worked well in Arch |
| 18:22.04 | markybob | madmanwithabox, they don't here. an update/upgrade and you're broken |
| 18:22.07 | markybob | !nvidia |
| 18:22.07 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:22.49 | madmanwithabox | okay, is dpkg a person? |
| 18:23.00 | markybob | madmanwithabox, bot. i called it with "!" |
| 18:23.00 | DominikB | a bot |
| 18:23.06 | madmanwithabox | ahh |
| 18:23.10 | madmanwithabox | thought so |
| 18:23.14 | madmanwithabox | that's cool! |
| 18:23.32 | madmanwithabox | why can't I run nvidia-xconfig? or even download it like it says in the wiki |
| 18:23.55 | madmanwithabox | !dpkg |
| 18:23.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:24.10 | madmanwithabox | cool |
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| 18:24.54 | Junka | you need to enable the contrib repo |
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| 18:26.16 | madmanwithabox | why is this so much work? |
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| 18:26.35 | markybob | madmanwithabox, because nvidia sucks and you shouldn't use it :P |
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| 18:27.55 | Junka | i installed debian but there was no plymouth like in the livecd, why |
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| 18:28.05 | markybob | madmanwithabox, guarantee i'll see you in here in not too long saying your display is broken and you can't do anything |
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| 18:28.19 | madmanwithabox | haha |
| 18:28.33 | madmanwithabox | But I enabled the contrib repo, and still cant install nvidia-xconfig |
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| 18:29.03 | markybob | ,v nvidia-xconfig |
| 18:29.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 195.36.31-1; wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 340.46-1; jessie/contrib: 340.46-1; stretch/contrib: 340.46-1 |
| 18:29.06 | Junka | update the sources first, then install |
| 18:29.34 | madmanwithabox | I did that |
| 18:29.45 | markybob | madmanwithabox, pastbein your sources.list |
| 18:29.58 | Junka | perhaps it requires non-free repo too |
| 18:30.05 | madmanwithabox | just a sec |
| 18:30.43 | madmanwithabox | http://pastebin.com/20xrUPg5 |
| 18:30.45 | madmanwithabox | here |
| 18:30.53 | madmanwithabox | I added the repo as it said in the wiki |
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| 18:31.18 | Junka | lol |
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| 18:31.26 | markybob | that's interesting |
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| 18:32.25 | madmanwithabox | what is? |
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| 18:33.37 | madmanwithabox | Altho I have to say, I am not enjoying my experience till now... |
| 18:33.37 | markybob | madmanwithabox, this should be what it's like https://dpaste.de/ZOWS |
| 18:33.44 | madmanwithabox | http://pastebin.com/20xrUPg5 |
| 18:34.36 | madmanwithabox | so do I just copy-paste this file into my /etc/apt/soruces.list? |
| 18:34.39 | markybob | madmanwithabox, no one said debian was easy :/ it's just a solid rock of security/stability |
| 18:34.46 | Junka | no |
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| 18:35.24 | Junka | just add contrib non-free to yur existing lines, delete your own which is the last one |
| 18:35.30 | madmanwithabox | markybob I know ;) " I am not enjoying my experience till now " The exact same thing I said while installing Arch. Not gonna give up this easy! And also hoping I learn something new :D |
| 18:35.57 | madmanwithabox | kk |
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| 18:36.35 | madmattco | well |
| 18:36.45 | madmattco | doing it all by hand is the best way to learn imo so youre off to a good start |
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| 18:36.57 | markybob | indeed |
| 18:37.18 | madmattco | take something bare and make it yours. dont stoop to the winblowz foodchain. come out on top lol |
| 18:38.22 | Junka | i installed debian but there was no plymouth like in the livecd, why |
| 18:38.41 | madmanwithabox | is this fine? |
| 18:38.41 | madmanwithabox | http://pastebin.com/9dua6HTK |
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| 18:39.46 | Junka | i think it should be contrib non-free, not non-free contrib. Not sure if it matters |
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| 18:40.13 | markybob | madmanwithabox, i can't ping that...so i'd use httpredir.debian.org instead |
| 18:40.32 | madmanwithabox | I just updated and am now installing nvidia-xconfig |
| 18:40.34 | madmanwithabox | it's working |
| 18:40.46 | markybob | for now :P |
| 18:40.55 | Junka | i installed debian but there was no plymouth like in the livecd, why |
| 18:41.22 | madmanwithabox | Anyone got the answer to Junka's problem? |
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| 18:42.28 | madmanwithabox | Also, I know I'm probably gonna get A LOT of hate for this, but has anyone tried to install panthon and Unity on Debian? |
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| 18:42.52 | Junka | they are not in the repos |
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| 18:43.06 | Junka | so not supported |
| 18:43.09 | madmanwithabox | There isn't any 3rd party repos? |
| 18:43.24 | markybob | madmanwithabox, we don't support third party |
| 18:43.26 | Junka | probably |
| 18:43.36 | Junka | but what markybob said |
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| 18:44.05 | madmanwithabox | ?? |
| 18:44.13 | madmanwithabox | So I'm limited to the default repos? |
| 18:44.21 | markybob | madmanwithabox, if you want help |
| 18:44.23 | Junka | if you want unity why not just ubuntu |
| 18:45.16 | madmanwithabox | Junka I don |
| 18:45.28 | madmanwithabox | I don't want unity. I want to option to use unity |
| 18:45.33 | madmanwithabox | ;D |
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| 18:46.18 | madmanwithabox | Be right back in 20 minutes |
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| 18:47.05 | Junka | i installed debian but there was no plymouth like in the livecd, why |
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| 18:48.58 | markybob | Junka, i don't know why you think it should've. |
| 18:49.16 | markybob | Junka, you're talking about the bootup splash thing, right? |
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| 18:49.59 | Junka | yes |
| 18:50.08 | jhutchins | !info splashy |
| 18:50.11 | markybob | Junka, maybe you'd be better served going to #debian-cd on OFTC |
| 18:50.23 | Junka | i see |
| 18:50.26 | Junka | thanks |
| 18:50.57 | jhutchins | ,info splashy |
| 18:50.58 | judd | No package named 'splashy' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 18:51.21 | markybob | there is plymouth, you can install it |
| 18:51.24 | markybob | just not on the livecd |
| 18:51.46 | markybob | ,v plymouth |
| 18:51.47 | judd | Package: plymouth on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-9.2; wheezy: 0.8.5.1-5; sid: 0.9.0-9; stretch: 0.9.0-9; jessie: 0.9.0-9 |
| 18:51.59 | madmattco | anyone using a yubikey? |
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| 18:53.10 | jhutchins | Junka: I think that's handled by grub these days. |
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| 18:53.27 | jhutchins | ,info startupmanager |
| 18:53.28 | judd | Package startupmanager (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Grub, Usplash and Splash screen configuration. Version: 1.9.13-8; Size: 85.9k; Installed: 1087k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/startup-manager; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/startupmanager; O: #599584 |
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| 18:54.22 | jhutchins | Junka: Plymouth never really worked all that well. |
| 18:54.31 | Junka | jhutchins: you meean the debian splash in the livecd its not plymouth? |
| 18:54.50 | Junka | but whatver it is, its not being installed |
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| 18:57.16 | jhutchins | Junka: Right. If you want it, you can add it. |
| 18:57.32 | jhutchins | Junka: Most of my systems don't get rebooted for hundreds of days. |
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| 19:09.17 | someuser001 | hello |
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| 19:09.37 | someuser001 | can anyone help me with a grub problem? |
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| 19:10.34 | someuser001 | ..? |
| 19:11.31 | NoirLess | which one? |
| 19:12.05 | someuser001 | a problem booting from a virtual hdd |
| 19:12.20 | someuser001 | *.vhd |
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| 19:12.48 | t4nk816 | Hi, I'm trying to make a deb package to install other packages dinamically, I'm calling apt-get within the postinst script (backing up lock and the status files), and it works (it's installing the files) but don't update the /var/lib/dpkg/status, so it seems to apt-get/dpkg like if there aren't installed (even though they are), any hints or alternative proposals? |
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| 19:13.19 | markybob | t4nk816, try #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 19:13.28 | someuser001 | NoirLess, can you help me? |
| 19:13.33 | t4nk816 | markybob: ok, thanks! |
| 19:14.08 | NoirLess | @someuser001, oh, sorry :I Thinked, its something easier :c |
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| 19:14.32 | someuser001 | its only configure the menu.lst file |
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| 19:17.42 | Knaldgas | Is there a way to blank external monitor only (meant for presentations)? |
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| 19:18.24 | Knaldgas | Like "xset dpms force standby", but only for the one screen? |
| 19:19.03 | markybob | Knaldgas, i don't think so. are you using a projector? tv? |
| 19:19.24 | bzed | Knaldgas: I'd use arandr to save a script which does it using xrandr |
| 19:19.41 | bzed | Knaldgas: won't be blanked but disaled completely, though |
| 19:19.42 | Knaldgas | markybob: projector or tv |
| 19:20.03 | Knaldgas | bzed: Thats not good, then my WM will start rearranging windows |
| 19:20.08 | markybob | Knaldgas, most projectors have a "standby" mode...so that'd work. it'd stay warmed up |
| 19:20.09 | NoirLess | why noone on debian offtop channel? :D Cuz, I think, question "what is better for laptop - kde or gnome?" isnt for this one :'D |
| 19:20.11 | Junka | how do i del the config of videos aaka totem |
| 19:20.42 | markybob | NoirLess, probably because the official one is on OFTC |
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| 19:21.04 | Knaldgas | Well, switching of both external and internal is acceptable... Is there a way to detect the current DPMS state? |
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| 19:26.24 | alvas | hello |
| 19:26.36 | NoirLess | o/ |
| 19:29.39 | alvas | i have a problem |
| 19:29.40 | Drunkwizard | \o |
| 19:29.50 | Drunkwizard | What's the problem alvas? |
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| 19:30.09 | alvas | I'm trying to change my terminal titlebar |
| 19:30.20 | Drunkwizard | Which terminal emulator are you using? |
| 19:30.27 | markybob | !ask |
| 19:30.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:30.38 | alvas | this is working: |
| 19:30.41 | alvas | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@[$(date +%H%M)]${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' |
| 19:30.53 | alvas | however this is not: |
| 19:31.24 | alvas | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@[\$(free | awk 'FNR == 3 {print \$4/(\$3+\$4)*100}' | awk '{print int(\$1+0.5)}' )%]${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' |
| 19:31.29 | Drunkwizard | So you are trying to modify prompt. |
| 19:31.42 | alvas | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 19:32.10 | alvas | what do I need to escape or change in order to make it work? |
| 19:32.19 | alvas | Drunkwizard: yep |
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| 19:32.50 | alvas | the proble is with the 'free' piped command |
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| 19:33.01 | Drunkwizard | well, there is unexpected token '(' which gives syntax error. |
| 19:33.16 | alvas | Drunkwizard: i'm aware to that |
| 19:33.32 | alvas | what should i change |
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| 19:35.34 | stacks88 | sorry if this is a dumb or annoying question but i was wondering how does the packaging process work? I see that there is a 'grive' package available on debian (Google Drive client for GNU/Linux)..It was created by some guy (not google). How is it determined that a package is safe and does not do anything malicious? Does someone at Debian review the source code, build it and then thats how it |
| 19:35.34 | stacks88 | ends up in the repository? I know im being irrational but im just trying to understand if someone is actually looking over the source code of these packages that we are freely able to install, or if its just assumed its safe, compiled, ported to .deb and pushed to the repository for us all to grab without really anyone knowing if its safe or not (example maybe it takes too much time to review |
| 19:35.34 | stacks88 | source code for all packages , or?) |
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| 19:37.45 | Drunkwizard | alvas: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@[\$(free | awk 'FNR' == 3 {print |
| 19:37.46 | Drunkwizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.58 | qman__ | stacks88: the level of scrutiny is generally judged by which repository it's in; main is the most trustworthy because it gets the most eyes on it and most strict approval |
| 19:38.15 | Drunkwizard | alvas:Run now, sorry for messy output. |
| 19:39.50 | alvas | Drunkwizard: could you paste again pls? I'm seeing special chars |
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| 19:40.48 | Rasi | hi. is there any package that provides gnu's column? |
| 19:41.03 | Rasi | and if not, why is it not provided by util-linux? |
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| 19:43.14 | stacks88 | qman__ thanks |
| 19:43.37 | Drunkwizard | alvas: http://pastebin.com/YjTJV1BD |
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| 19:46.39 | alvas | Drunkwizard: thannks for effort man unfortunately it didn't work. I've just got a working solution on #bash which is: |
| 19:47.47 | Drunkwizard | alvas: which is? |
| 19:47.59 | alvas | moment.. |
| 19:48.04 | Drunkwizard | Sure. |
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| 19:48.24 | alvas | PROMPT_COMMAND=$'echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@[$(free | awk \'FNR == 3 {print $4/($3+$4)*100}\' | awk \'{print int($1+0.5)}\' )%]${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' |
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| 19:49.54 | hellyeah | why debian doesnt have media human youtube to mp3 converter |
| 19:49.56 | hellyeah | _ |
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| 19:50.17 | markybob | human? |
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| 19:50.27 | hellyeah | media hman |
| 19:50.36 | nkuttler | hellyeah: because you haven't packaged it yet |
| 19:50.53 | hellyeah | http://www.mediahuman.com/tr/ |
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| 19:51.15 | markybob | hellyeah, ask them. they can make a package |
| 19:51.15 | hellyeah | i have package it? |
| 19:51.30 | markybob | hellyeah, we have to? |
| 19:51.53 | hellyeah | just wondering |
| 19:51.56 | markybob | hellyeah, we package what we need/desire. that's how it works. when others join, they do what they need/desire |
| 19:52.01 | nkuttler | is that even open source? |
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| 19:52.14 | hellyeah | it must be |
| 19:52.23 | nkuttler | i see no source |
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| 19:53.24 | markybob | nkuttler, i see no nvidia source either :P |
| 19:53.27 | nkuttler | anyway, there's youtube-dl, should be easy to feed that into lame |
| 19:54.12 | markybob | or flash |
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| 20:01.13 | hellyeah | why there is no aptitude anymore |
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| 20:02.58 | SynrG | Failure to read removals carefully upgrading a testing system |
| 20:03.08 | MrDetonia | Hi there, I have a friend who's trying out Debian, and they can't seem to connect properly to a network. Their interface shows up in 'ip link' and has an address assigned according to ifconfig, but they can't even ping their router gateway. |
| 20:03.11 | SynrG | Pay attention |
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| 20:04.32 | SynrG | MrDetonia: a correct IP? Could just be a link local address from zeroconf |
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| 20:05.17 | MrDetonia | SynrG: If so, how would he request a new IP? |
| 20:05.39 | MrDetonia | IP looks valid; matches his network |
| 20:05.44 | SynrG | Sounds like dhcp failed |
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| 20:05.55 | rm-rf | Debian 8.3 supports CPU Skylake without backports? |
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| 20:06.18 | SynrG | Or maybe erroneously has a second dhcp server installed |
| 20:06.30 | MrDetonia | He just restarted the interface and now it's failing to connect to the network at all. |
| 20:06.44 | MrDetonia | He could download from Debian's repos etc. during install |
| 20:08.00 | SynrG | Is there a dhcp reply in the logs? Did it come from the right system? (probably the router) |
| 20:08.15 | MrDetonia | SynrG: Will check |
| 20:08.23 | rm-rf | Debian 8.3 supports CPU Skylake i5 6600 without backports? |
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| 20:09.05 | SynrG | Check if there is dhcp-server installed on the system. Probably shouldn't be |
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| 20:09.58 | bartu | Hi! What's the deal with the tons of pkgs with a trailing "v5" that appeared after a recent "aptitude update" and that conflict with the non-v5 packages? Like libopencv-contrib2.4v5 vs. libopencv-contrib2.4. Cannot full-upgrade or install pkgs w/o having tons of conflicts that cannot be resolved automatically. (Debian testing AMD64) |
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| 20:11.40 | rattking | that might be the gcc 5 transition |
| 20:11.56 | bartu | Aaah, that's what the v5 stands for ... |
| 20:12.16 | SynrG | It might be the changelog actually explains |
| 20:12.30 | bartu | Any advice on what to do? Just wait another week or two, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade, and everything will work again? |
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| 20:12.35 | SynrG | Rather than guessing |
| 20:13.21 | MrDetonia | SynrG: No DHCP server installed :/ I'm asking him to look through the results of 'cat /var/log/syslog | grep <interface>' to see if it reveals anything. |
| 20:13.37 | SynrG | Yep |
| 20:13.53 | bartu | SynrG: "Prepare for g++5 ABI transition: rename library packages" ... yeah, seems to be gcc 5 transition related ... |
| 20:14.14 | SynrG | There ya go :) |
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| 20:14.27 | basta11 | I'm trying to duplicate an issue in a specific point release (7.8) and was hoping someone could confirm that older (7.x) netinst images will always download the most recent stable point release (7.9) |
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| 20:16.34 | MrDetonia | SynrG: He has IRC on his phone, do you think you might be able to help if I direct him here? |
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| 20:19.51 | someuser001 | hello, i'm trying to boot from a static VHD, but I dont know how to configure menu.lst properly. |
| 20:24.08 | MrDetonia | How is support for Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 in Testing? That's the card he has. |
| 20:24.34 | SynrGy | should be fine |
| 20:24.55 | SynrGy | any firmware messages in dmesg? most atheros don't require firmware, but some do |
| 20:24.59 | MrDetonia | Would the driver be built into the kernel, or might he have to enable the alx module? |
| 20:25.22 | SynrGy | what's the pciid? lspci -nn | grep -i network |
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| 20:25.59 | MrDetonia | 2 secs |
| 20:26.18 | SynrGy | (pciid is the last item on the line, in square brackets) |
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| 20:27.46 | MrDetonia | 1814:5390 |
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| 20:28.23 | SynrGy | ,pciid [1814:5390] |
| 20:28.25 | judd | [1814:5390] is 'RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt2800pci' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:5390 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 20:28.38 | LaBliMo | have an md raid1 array, but now I get this error after reboot, any ideas how to fix? "mounting /dev/md0 on /root failed: no such file or directory" |
| 20:28.52 | MrDetonia | Hmm, okay. He should be using his ethernet line though |
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| 20:28.56 | SynrGy | MrDetonia: is firmware-ralink installed? |
| 20:29.00 | SynrGy | oh |
| 20:29.19 | SynrGy | the other one, then. lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet |
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| 20:32.30 | MrDetonia | ,pciid [1969:1091] |
| 20:32.31 | judd | [1969:1091] is 'AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'alx' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1091 http://wiki.debian.org/alx |
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| 20:33.38 | SynrG | it should 'just work' |
| 20:33.56 | MrDetonia | Yeah, it should. ;-; |
| 20:34.08 | SynrG | this is why i wanted to see arp |
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| 20:34.18 | SynrG | we don't have dups on the network for his IP# or something, do we? |
| 20:34.26 | SynrG | that would definitely frig up pings |
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| 20:34.46 | MrDetonia | Is nmap in Debian's default installation? |
| 20:34.57 | MrDetonia | if not, is there another network mapper? |
| 20:35.28 | SynrG | hm. or i guess the new tool is 'ip neigh' |
| 20:35.38 | SynrG | nmap isn't installed by default, no |
| 20:35.53 | SynrG | it's in the archive for sure |
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| 20:36.22 | SynrG | MrDetonia: 'ip neigh' show any reachable hosts? |
| 20:36.33 | basta11 | Can anyone save me from pulling down a full ISO and confirm that that older (7.x) netinst images will always download the most recent stable point release (7.9) during the automated setup. |
| 20:36.39 | MrDetonia | Just waiting to hear back |
| 20:37.16 | SynrG | basta11: what else would it pull down? there isn't but one archive for stable out there |
| 20:37.21 | SynrG | the old stuff isn't available |
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| 20:37.47 | SynrG | what you'd be missing is the base install prior to the apt configuration stage would be for the older 7.x |
| 20:38.27 | SynrG | but as soon as the apt configuration completes successfully and the system is updated with whatever the package selection was, the whole system gets upgraded to all the latest from the archive |
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| 20:39.18 | SynrG | still, it's preferable to use the latest stable netinst. |
| 20:39.30 | SynrG | you benefit from the latest installer bugfixes, etc. |
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| 20:41.46 | basta11 | thanks, SynrG. The goal was to get a VM running 7.8 with the 7.8.0 netinst. That failed. =) |
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| 20:43.06 | MrDetonia | SynrG: He has 192.168.1.254 (I assume his router IP), shows up as STALE |
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| 20:44.06 | cliluw | What does the "-i" option of debuild do? I can't find information about it in the man page. |
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| 20:48.43 | jordanm | cliluw: see the description in dpkg-source |
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| 20:49.08 | jordanm | cliluw: debuild options are passed on to dpkg-buildpackage. -i in particular dpkg-buildpackage passes to dpkg-source |
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| 20:49.29 | cliluw | jordanm: Ahh, I didn't look in dpkg-source. Thank you. |
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| 21:06.01 | no_gravity | Is it possible to use the mouse and keyboard of one debian machine to work on another debian machine? Via ssh or something? |
| 21:06.26 | bartu | no_gravity: VNC |
| 21:06.30 | bagbobilgins | no_gravity: if they're next to each other look at synergy |
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| 21:07.12 | no_gravity | they are next to each other. |
| 21:07.25 | bagbobilgins | synergy is your friend |
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| 21:07.47 | bartu | Is synergy a modern version of x2x? |
| 21:07.50 | bagbobilgins | http://synergy-project.org/ |
| 21:07.57 | bagbobilgins | also available via apt |
| 21:08.07 | no_gravity | is synergy in the debian repos? |
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| 21:08.16 | bartu | no_gravity: Yep. |
| 21:08.16 | bagbobilgins | though be aware of the differences between 1.x and 2.x |
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| 21:21.11 | cxd13 | is there anything wrong with just downloading the latest .deb for libreoffice from their website instead of using the older version in the stable repos? |
| 21:21.55 | nezZario | damn, i asked a question earlier and somebody replied and I didn't see it, now the history is gone |
| 21:22.05 | nezZario | can anyone scroll up and /msg it to me? :/ |
| 21:22.12 | g00se | I replied ;) |
| 21:22.25 | MeatPopsicle | My speakers will not work and the MATE sound manager cant fix it is there another one I could use that might work? |
| 21:22.37 | no_gravity | cxd13: hmm.. i would think you dont get updates automatically then. |
| 21:23.22 | g00se | To whit: a vanilla adapter can't be used as an AP (it receives and doesn't broadcast). _Some_ might broadcast |
| 21:23.23 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist MeatPopsicle |
| 21:23.31 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:23.31 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:23.36 | jhutchins | Different bot. |
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| 21:24.15 | MeatPopsicle | 12739Abf$ |
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| 21:26.19 | lroe | I just upgraded my systems to the new jessie point release, but it looks like on one of my systems rsyslog is stuck. I get: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9b3c7964/ |
| 21:26.37 | cxd13 | no_gravity: of course not.. it's not coming from the package manager |
| 21:26.39 | lroe | I tried doing a dpkg-reconfigure, I even tried removing --purging it and re-installing it |
| 21:27.15 | no_gravity | cxd13: did you try it? would be interested to hear if it worked. |
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| 21:28.56 | MeatPopsicle | it shows up but the sliders wont raise the volume |
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| 21:30.26 | g00se | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.html |
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| 21:30.45 | cxd13 | no_gravity: yes it works. it just means you have to download updates. i was just wondering if there's some reason not to do this since i know debian discourages installing things from outside the repo |
| 21:31.14 | cxd13 | no_gravity: i had to do the same thing with minitube, but that one was because the minitube in debian stable is broken |
| 21:31.21 | nezZario | g00se, ahh k -- i was just hoping, i'll just go pick up a real router |
| 21:31.23 | cxd13 | so i got the .deb from their website |
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| 21:31.49 | nezZario | I think I have an Alfa that I know is capable of being an AP but it would take me an hour to dig it up |
| 21:32.59 | no_gravity | cxd13: how did you do it? you download the ...deb.tar.gz and then do what? |
| 21:33.06 | g00se | Your 'real router' should give you a lot less grief |
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| 21:33.52 | cxd13 | no_gravity: just download the .deb and sudo dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 21:34.13 | cxd13 | or double click it if you have a GUI like gdebi |
| 21:34.50 | no_gravity | cxd13: and how do you keep it up to date? |
| 21:35.22 | cxd13 | you just go to their website every 6 months or whatever and download a new version if it's available |
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| 21:36.10 | no_gravity | cxd13: hmm.. that will probably not update the dependencies. |
| 21:37.16 | no_gravity | cxd13: so if LO depends on some image library, that will get installed because it is defined in the deb, right? but when a security hole in the library is found, it will never be updated that way I would think. |
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| 21:37.58 | cxd13 | well if the library is not contained in the .deb then it's being installed from the repos, in which case it would get security updates |
| 21:38.06 | no_gravity | cxd13: aha! |
| 21:38.09 | no_gravity | thats good |
| 21:38.16 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Once it's installed on your system, dpkg knows about it. If it's updated, aptitude will pull the update. |
| 21:38.22 | no_gravity | nice |
| 21:38.40 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Yeah, this linux stuff is pretty cool. |
| 21:39.17 | cxd13 | but libreoffice itself wouldn't get updated, so if there was a security issue and an update released you would need to get it manually |
| 21:39.25 | no_gravity | yes |
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| 21:40.35 | jhutchins | cxd13: No. |
| 21:41.49 | cxd13 | jhutchins: yes. read up |
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| 21:41.56 | jhutchins | cdbob_: Actually, as long as the version numbering system is consistent with the debian packaging, it will get any updates to the debian package. |
| 21:42.17 | cxd13 | it's not a debian package though |
| 21:42.24 | jhutchins | ,v libreoffice |
| 21:42.24 | cxd13 | i mean not from debian repos at least |
| 21:42.24 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:4.4.5-2~bpo8+2; sid: 1:5.0.1-1; stretch: 1:5.0.1-1 |
| 21:42.31 | jhutchins | cxd13: There are also backports. |
| 21:43.03 | cxd13 | we were talking about installing the LO 5.0 .deb from their website into debian stable |
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| 21:43.11 | jhutchins | cxd13: Which you can do for yourself if you want - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:43.56 | jhutchins | cxd13: So it's in sid, which means you can backport it with the procedure above. |
| 21:44.22 | jhutchins | cxd13: True, no automatic backports until it reaches the official backports, but closer. |
| 21:44.30 | cxd13 | i guess so. you have to compile it that way |
| 21:44.54 | cxd13 | will you still get updates for software you compiled though? |
| 21:44.56 | jhutchins | cxd13: That process builds a .deb file that you install. |
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| 21:46.03 | jhutchins | cxd13: If an update were in the official repo it would be applied. Since a major version update would probably only happen in backports, you would have to manually install it from backports, and then do the sid backport. |
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| 21:46.46 | jhutchins | cxd13: Although ... I'm not sure installing the sid backport wouldn't remove the backports link... |
| 21:47.00 | jhutchins | cxd13: Ideally you'd use RO's own Debian-compatible repository. |
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| 21:47.45 | jhutchins | cxd13: Then again, security is not that big an issue for a word processor. You're more likely to see bug fixes and feature enhancements. |
| 21:47.48 | cxd13 | yeah |
| 21:47.56 | jhutchins | cxd13: Get on their announce mailing list. |
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| 21:48.50 | Guest14468 | has anyone managed to get pk-update-icon to automatically start in a gnome3 session on Jessie |
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| 21:50.42 | no_gravity | exit |
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| 21:56.39 | jhutchins | cxd13: Actually, the official backport of 5 is in progress, wait a day or two. |
| 21:56.49 | cxd13 | jhutchins: awesome |
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| 21:57.19 | jhutchins | Just got the email this afternoon. |
| 21:57.42 | cxd13 | you signed up to their mailing list? |
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| 21:58.13 | cxd13 | how would i do that? |
| 21:58.43 | markybob | cxd13, you google it. https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
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| 22:11.55 | SimbaLion | Hi, why does apt say 'reading changelogs' when installing packages? Is there secretly an underpaid I.T. worker manually installing everything behind the scenes? |
| 22:12.42 | centrx | SimbaLion, This sounds like apt-listchanges, which shows you package changelogs before you install |
| 22:13.20 | SimbaLion | ah okay, thanks.. so no hidden hamster wheel.. drat |
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| 22:14.44 | centrx | SimbaLion, When you install a Debian package, an SMTP message is sent to a local Debian developer who sshes into your machine and installs it for you |
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| 22:15.17 | nonickforme | How2makeDistroRespin |
| 22:15.26 | Brigo | using the NSA backdoor, of course. |
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| 22:16.03 | nonickforme | I think debian should continue to adopt systemd |
| 22:16.08 | nonickforme | It's a good idea |
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| 22:56.35 | Atm0spher1c | how can i make apt aware of an existing kernel on the boot partition? |
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| 23:01.12 | abrotman | Atm0spher1c: why would apt need to know? |
| 23:02.19 | vectorthought | hi, I am trying to running a simplehttpserver on an awsinstance running debian using pthon -m SimpleHTTPServer command, and when I try to open it in my webbrowser it doesn't show up |
| 23:02.34 | vectorthought | any ideas what might be going wrong or how I should go about debugging this issue? |
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| 23:03.26 | sdfsfsdf | iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M isn't working. What can I do? |
| 23:03.33 | sdfsfsdf | My wifi card is stuck at 1mb/s |
| 23:04.01 | Brigo | vectorthought, first use nestat -putan, check for that program in LISTEN process. |
| 23:04.07 | Atm0spher1c | abrotman: so it can update the package. I did a reinstall on a partition. It's a complex install using lvm and multiple partitions with multiple os's. I could reinstall the kernel, but it might screw with my grub config and I had it all working before. I thought telling apt it's there might be simpler. |
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| 23:04.35 | abrotman | Atm0spher1c: it shuldn't screw up your grub config if you've done things correctly |
| 23:05.29 | Atm0spher1c | I'll give it a shot |
| 23:05.32 | vectorthought | Brigo: it is there in the list of listen process |
| 23:06.12 | Brigo | vectorthought, fine, check if the port is open with telnet or nmap or something |
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| 23:21.10 | nick[0]_ | has anyone gotten pk-update-icon to work with GNOME3? (under Jessie) |
| 23:21.50 | nick[0]_ | this is for my mom's laptop, and she really wants an easy to use security update mechanism like she is used to |
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| 23:26.15 | SuperTramp83 | nick[0]_: I thought gnome had the working update icon.. |
| 23:26.27 | SuperTramp83 | I'm on xfce.. |
| 23:27.29 | nick[0]_ | SuperTramp83: it used to, but it was succeeded by gnome-packagekit...the update icon is actually a jessie-backport |
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| 23:27.43 | SuperTramp83 | ahaa... |
| 23:28.16 | SuperTramp83 | well, did you try to install pk-update ? nick[0]_ ? |
| 23:28.53 | darsie | hey guys, do you remember, my automount stopped working and I couldn't import photos from my card reader. It started working again. By itself. I didn't do anything significant, IMO. |
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| 23:29.54 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: I heard computers don't do things by themselves :P |
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| 23:30.11 | SuperTramp83 | nick[0]_: maybe this link can be of some help -> http://blog.tenstral.net/2015/09/update-notifications-in-debian-jessie.html |
| 23:30.13 | nick[0]_ | SuperTramp83: pk-update-icon you mean? Yes. It works if I manually start it, but for some reason it's not being started from /etc/xdg/autostart; linking the .desktop to .config/autostart doesn't work either. I also tried writing a wrapper script around the binary to delay startup by 10 seconds, just in case it was starting before packagekit was ready... |
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| 23:30.43 | nick[0]_ | SuperTramp83: thanks, I'll read that! I wasn't able to find that article on my own for some reason... |
| 23:30.57 | SuperTramp83 | you are welcome |
| 23:31.30 | darsie | Atm0spher1c: My computer turns itself on spontaneously when I suspend it. I first noticed it turns on when I blew at arcs I made with a flyback transformer. Guess it got the hang of being alive. |
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| 23:32.48 | darsie | But it actually sucks, going to bed and having to get up again in 20 min ... |
| 23:33.11 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: I had that problem on an old dell with an older kernel back on wheezy. It would wake up, usually after long periods of time, or sometimes not at all as long as the lid was open. If I closed the lid, it would wake up within a few minutes. New kernel fixed it. |
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| 23:34.13 | darsie | I'll upgrade to jessie, hopefully when I get a new computer. I'm still unsure if it'll be a laptop or a floortop. |
| 23:35.14 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: still the computer is not acting on it's own. Machines don't do anything on there own :) |
| 23:35.27 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: if you're using an old kernel on wheezy, us the backports kernel |
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| 23:37.59 | JandelNinja | Any know in debain what the usb module is label lsmod | grep ????? xhci_hcd, or ehci-pci not there |
| 23:38.36 | darsie | Atm0spher1c: Computers are built to be deterministic, but they may have or develop bugs and act on stuff like temperature, EMI, electrons tunneling through transistor or flash memory gates, ... That's just like us humans, we act on signals and quantum mechanic randomness. Why do you say computers don't act on their own while humans do? |
| 23:38.51 | Atm0spher1c | JandelNinja: grep usb? |
| 23:39.12 | Atm0spher1c | JandelNinja: mine also says ehci_pci |
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| 23:44.27 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: Machines are programmed, and whether there are bugs or not, they are simply executing whatever instructions they were given. So they are not choosing. They have no feelings, or ambitions. |
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| 23:45.43 | Atm0spher1c | darsie: Human beings have feelings and emotions, but those are also shoved by external forces. In that sense, human being also do not really act on their own, they are not seperate from their environment. Everything is shoved by something else. |
| 23:46.30 | Atm0spher1c | Although we can't see the wire up our ass connected to the sun... |
| 23:46.39 | Atm0spher1c | can't really go into it more, it's off topic |
| 23:47.01 | darsie | One day, when my mind gets uploaded to a computer, I'll act on my own. |
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| 23:47.24 | darsie | sure |
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| 23:52.56 | vectorthought | Brigo: sorry for the delay when I used nmap i get "8000/tcp filtered http-alt" |
| 23:53.26 | Brigo | vectorthought, that filtered should be the firewall, iptables. |
| 23:54.07 | vectorthought | i did iptables -L and it was empty |
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| 23:56.07 | Atm0spher1c | vectorthought: If you're using aws, i believe you have to configure those connections within the aws web interface. Port 80 or 8080. Might want to ask in aws channel as well |
| 23:57.17 | Atm0spher1c | vectorthought: The same way I believe you added your ip to allow connections to ssh on port 22 |
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| 23:59.37 | vectorthought | Atm0spher1c: I actually have those ports open on the aws console |
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