| 00:00.03 | abrotman | seems like maybe one shouldcontact amazon? |
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| 00:00.26 | Atm0spher1c | vectorthought: good, and 8000 as well? that's what you're using for the python server? |
| 00:00.37 | vectorthought | Atm0spher1c: yep |
| 00:02.14 | vectorthought | Atm0spher1c: firgured it out was some stupid aws security rules issue |
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| 00:02.24 | vectorthought | thanks alot Atm0spher1c and Brigo |
| 00:02.44 | Brigo | vectorthought, np :) |
| 00:04.06 | vectorthought | Brigo: that was really helpful :) I learned how to debug issues like this atleast the first step of it :D |
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| 00:04.29 | Brigo | vectorthought, nice :) |
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| 00:07.52 | nick[0] | SuperTramp83: sorry for the delay (dinner plans!) Unfortunately, that blog.tenstral.net linnk didn't do the trick |
| 00:08.59 | nick[0] | ah, I think I missed him... |
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| 00:10.00 | nick[0] | does anyone here have working update notification under GNOME3? I'm going nuts trying to get pk-update-icon to run as part of my gnome session... |
| 00:10.34 | Polarina | Odd. I was running `apt-get upgrade` on a Debian Stretch system (around a week since last update), and that managed to replace /bin/dash (which /bin/sh symlinks to) with nothing but zeroes. |
| 00:11.04 | Polarina | Constant "Bad exec format" errors when booting up the machine. Managed to replace /bin/dash with /bin/bash to finish the upgrades and reinstall dash. It seems fine now. |
| 00:11.09 | Polarina | Any idea what might have happened? |
| 00:13.37 | Brigo | Polarina, a bug in some package installer, may be dash installer. |
| 00:14.08 | Brigo | testing is very dangerous nowadays. |
| 00:15.05 | Polarina | Brigo: why would you consider testing to be more dangerous now than otherwise? |
| 00:15.29 | Brigo | Polarina, because the gcc transition has reached testing few days ago. |
| 00:15.34 | Brigo | !gcc transition. |
| 00:15.34 | dpkg | One of the biggest transitions ever undertaken in Debian: new versions of libstdc++/gcc require over 3000 source packages to be recompiled. Don't expect packages in sid to be installable; use testing instead. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html (and if you didn't already know this, ask yourself if you should be using sid). |
| 00:15.50 | Polarina | Sounds like fun. :) |
| 00:16.19 | Polarina | I noticed gcc-5.2 being one of the packages being upgraded. |
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| 00:17.40 | nick[0] | on a related note, the reason I switched to Debian was the libc5 to libc6 transition nightmare with Red Hat ;-) (anyone else remember that?) |
| 00:18.06 | viscera | If I specify my own tmpfs in /etc/fstab, is it /etc/rcS.d/S08mountall.sh that loads it? |
| 00:18.06 | Atm0spher1c | Brigo: you using sid? I think i finally got it working in on of my lvm partitions from a deboostrap install and I'm curious how people are dealing with that transition. I know a lot of people use sid as their main daily system. |
| 00:20.01 | Brigo | Atm0spher1c, i am on stable, some day i will change to testing but not yet. I use sid only for packaging purposes |
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| 00:23.03 | nick[0] | how can I debug gnome session, to see if an application that should be autostarting is failing to start, because it's running before dbus and policykit are up and running? (this is the reason I suspect it's failing to start, but runs fine if started manually) |
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| 00:24.57 | nick[0] | ah... change the xsession to gnome-session --debug. That was easier than expected |
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| 00:27.56 | detergnet | Brigo: did the c++ ABI change in gcc 5? |
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| 00:28.07 | Brigo | detergnet, i think so. |
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| 00:28.48 | markybob | detergnet, yes |
| 00:30.23 | markybob | detergnet, you can enable the old ABI if you choose to, fyi |
| 00:31.28 | markybob | detergnet, define _GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI to 0 |
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| 00:41.48 | SimbaLion | Hi, I'm getting an error with apt-get while installing mysql-server, it says mysql-server: depends: mysql-server-5.5 but it is not going to be installed |
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| 00:42.23 | abrotman | SimbaLion: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 00:42.49 | SimbaLion | mysql-server-5.5 tries to install but it fails on adduser: '/usr/bin/chfn -f MySQL Server mysql' returned error code 1. exiting |
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| 00:43.17 | grill | hey. is there any way to continue a gcc make operation from where it previously failed? I had the same problem as this guy (the second issue involving zips) |
| 00:43.23 | grill | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13028011/gcc-4-6-3-fail-to-install-debian |
| 00:43.34 | SimbaLion | I'm trying to install from a script, if that makes a difference |
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| 00:44.51 | abrotman | SimbaLion: pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:45.47 | markybob | grill, no, but you can make it much faster the second time around with ccache. it's basically like skipping ahead |
| 00:45.56 | SimbaLion | that's a big pain for me cause it's on a different PC, and it's a digital ocean droplet so it's whatever their default sources are, I think it's a different issue |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | SimbaLion: it has internet? use a browser to paste .. w3m works just as well as any other web browser |
| 00:46.23 | grill | markybob will it recompile the files it has already compiled? |
| 00:46.44 | SimbaLion | good idea |
| 00:47.10 | SimbaLion | it installs fine from the CLI, it's only breaking from the script |
| 00:47.10 | markybob | grill, if you've made changes to them. otherwise it'll just use cache |
| 00:47.17 | SimbaLion | I think it might be because the script is running headless |
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| 00:47.34 | abrotman | no |
| 00:47.40 | grill | markybob but that won't help me this time, righT? I'm going to have to wait another 5 hours while this compiles? |
| 00:48.12 | markybob | grill, won't help this time. just next time |
| 00:48.17 | grill | :( |
| 00:49.41 | grill | https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Avoiding-Compilation.html |
| 00:49.47 | grill | might this help? |
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| 00:52.39 | SimbaLion | abrotman: pastebin.com/3Kt48yrk |
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| 00:53.25 | abrotman | SimbaLion: if you try that command yourself, what happens? |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | SimbaLion: also, make sure you're running apt-get update before installing |
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| 00:54.21 | SimbaLion | like I said, it works from the CLI, but not from the script, the script is running headless, it's being executed by cloud-init. everything else installs fine, mysql-server.5.5 is the only one having issues |
| 00:54.27 | grill | it doesn't look like it is recompiling everything |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | SimbaLion: put a set -x in the postinst for the package |
| 00:55.35 | SimbaLion | I dont know what that means.. |
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| 01:02.36 | abrotman | SimbaLion: does the user exist? |
| 01:03.22 | SimbaLion | No |
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| 01:04.02 | abrotman | so, chfn will fail, why isn't it creating the user? |
| 01:05.36 | SimbaLion | hrm, if I try it from the CLI after the error, I get dplg: warning 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable |
| 01:05.40 | SimbaLion | also start-stop-daemon |
| 01:06.07 | SimbaLion | but root's path is set properly |
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| 01:06.11 | markybob | SimbaLion, /sbin/ldconfig or just ldconfig? |
| 01:06.28 | markybob | oh |
| 01:07.14 | SimbaLion | I was getting that error with doing updates in cron but it just required adding DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive to my script |
| 01:07.19 | SimbaLion | however that hasn't fixed this issue |
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| 01:10.22 | Chocolate_Chip | I forget who it was, but the person who added me on tox, my ID changed again |
| 01:10.26 | Chocolate_Chip | I forgot to back it up |
| 01:10.45 | Chocolate_Chip | check on https://choco.neocities.org/tox.html |
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| 01:34.03 | SimbaLion | Hi, I am trying to configure debian from a script using cloud-init, mysql-server-5.5 tries to install but it fails on adduser: '/usr/bin/chfn -f MySQL Server mysql' returned error code 1. exiting. Can anyone help? |
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| 01:39.53 | somiaj | SimbaLion: I think it is the extra space, -f "MySql Server" I think is what you need |
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| 01:46.52 | abrotman | SimbaLion: why can't it create the user? |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | SimbaLion: if the mysql user doesn't exist, that command will fail |
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| 03:52.11 | tr0gd0r | If im using iptables-save on debian, where is it saving the rules? |
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| 03:53.49 | markybob | tr0gd0r, STDOUT |
| 03:54.03 | markybob | tr0gd0r, you can pipe it to a file |
| 03:54.15 | tr0gd0r | okay if I dont pipe to a file, then it will be lost on reboot? |
| 03:54.21 | markybob | yes |
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| 03:55.02 | tr0gd0r | Well there are some rules in my iptables list that survive reboots |
| 03:55.05 | tr0gd0r | so I wonder where they live |
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| 03:55.43 | markybob | guest396 you're still root and we all know it. log off |
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| 04:15.44 | gefdecue | is it wise to update kernel to 4.2 ? |
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| 04:16.25 | markybob | gefdecue, i'm only at 4.1, but from what i've read...i don't see a real worry about it |
| 04:17.02 | markybob | gefdecue, do you have a reason to? |
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| 04:17.49 | gefdecue | markybob: yes |
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| 04:19.24 | gefdecue | its a fix for my ssd which got slow, its a nown bug with this model i have |
| 04:19.34 | markybob | !kernel handbook |
| 04:19.34 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 04:20.40 | gefdecue | markybob: do i risk data loss by updating the kernel ? |
| 04:21.32 | markybob | gefdecue, no. grub will keep your old kernel so option to boot from |
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| 04:23.50 | gefdecue | markybob: so i just grab it from kernel.org and compile it. right? |
| 04:24.30 | markybob | gefdecue, you could. i'd make a proper debian package |
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| 04:25.08 | markybob | gefdecue, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 04:27.18 | gefdecue | markybob: thanks |
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| 04:47.10 | wjIrc | Hello, what of this debs need to run "Blender 2.49b" on Trusty? http://ppa.launchpad.net/fkrull/deadsnakes/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/ |
| 04:49.45 | shay_shay | !ubuntu |
| 04:49.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 04:56.37 | paperd | apt should handle the dependencies if you add the ppa... but I didn't say that :X |
| 04:58.57 | SirLagz | PPA is not a Debian thing though |
| 04:58.59 | shay_shay | no, it won't handle dependencies like that. many ubuntu packages have different enough dependencies it will create an impossible situation. which is stupid because the software can be compiled for the library versions you do have or are available in jessie |
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| 04:59.05 | jaggzt | anyone know a commandline tone generator? |
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| 04:59.16 | jaggzt | (to either play, or make a file) |
| 04:59.37 | SirLagz | jaggzt: playing a file is easy with mplayer...don't know about generation though |
| 04:59.47 | beardy | Hmm, doesn't the alsa test tool thing do that? |
| 05:00.48 | jaggzt | beardy, ahh.. trying "speaker-test" |
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| 05:01.12 | jaggzt | ooh, there's also sox's play |
| 05:01.15 | jaggzt | "play" |
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| 05:05.11 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/yoshimi |
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| 05:06.34 | shay_shay | oh I guess it's not command line enough |
| 05:08.01 | jaggzt | someone referred me to siggen .. it has a UI too, which is cool.. but it sounds like pulsing gargling static |
| 05:08.06 | jaggzt | it'd be nice to fix it |
| 05:08.07 | beardy | jaggzt: Yep, speaker-test is what I thought about.. playing with it now, but not sure how to get a clean tone out of it. |
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| 05:08.22 | beardy | Was just going to say that too.. but ok then. |
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| 05:09.01 | beardy | jaggzt: Perhaps audacity can be used from the commandline. It has all the things you need if so.. if you figure out how to do it from the cli. |
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| 05:09.48 | jaggzt | beardy, https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_ALSA%27s_speaker-test_utility#Sine_Wave_Test |
| 05:10.01 | jaggzt | ex: speaker-test -t sine -f 2600 |
| 05:10.18 | jaggzt | googled for: generate tone +"speaker-test" alsa |
| 05:10.22 | jaggzt | :) |
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| 05:10.44 | beardy | *beeep* yes there we go.. beeiping from my Pi:s speakers ---> over there.. |
| 05:11.01 | beardy | Then you just have to get it to a file instead.. maybe the -d option? |
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| 05:11.08 | jaggzt | play -n -c1 synth sin %-12 sin %-9 sin %-5 sin %-2 fade h 0.1 1 0.1 |
| 05:11.12 | jaggzt | try that though.. from play's manpage |
| 05:11.38 | jaggzt | yeah.. the file thing would actually not be necessary at the moment.. |
| 05:11.48 | jaggzt | I was going to work on a hearing test script |
| 05:12.20 | beardy | Wher is 'play' from then? |
| 05:12.26 | jaggzt | play comes from sox |
| 05:12.29 | beardy | Ah. |
| 05:12.31 | jaggzt | probably an alias |
| 05:12.41 | jaggzt | years ago it was, iirc |
| 05:12.52 | jaggzt | but right now I'm looking into how to stop the crickets |
| 05:13.03 | jaggzt | wife's been begging me for weeks |
| 05:13.19 | jaggzt | sirlagz, thanks for the thought, by the way :) |
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| 05:13.34 | jaggzt | echo thanks sirlagz | espeak |
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| 05:14.06 | SirLagz | what did I do now? |
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| 05:14.28 | Name | can someone please help me find a guide for conky? |
| 05:14.45 | SirLagz | Name: google can! but why do you need a guide? |
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| 05:15.12 | SirLagz | jaggzt: no problems..can't even remember what I helped withl ol |
| 05:15.37 | jaggzt | sirlagz, well.. it wasn't that helpful :) mplayer to play files |
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| 05:15.48 | Name | new to it and trying to learn how to configure my own conky script. I have looked all over the web before I came here and yes I read the manual |
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| 05:16.17 | SirLagz | jaggzt: oh right haha |
| 05:16.37 | SirLagz | Name: it's really just a matter of putting on what you want and messing with the positioning |
| 05:16.52 | Name | okay thank you |
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| 05:23.56 | n1cky | hello, looking for some help with a netinstall going wierdly. it's not finding the iso. what are my options at this point? |
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| 05:24.19 | mi11k1 | Do you need to install Apache for PXE server? |
| 05:24.33 | phy1729 | mi11k1: nope PXE works over TFTP |
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| 05:25.11 | mi11k1 | Okay, I've been reading some tutorials in some say you need to install Apache |
| 05:26.15 | phy1729 | perhaps apache is being used to host the preseed file? |
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| 05:27.47 | mi11k1 | I have no idea, I am just trying for the first time |
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| 05:28.44 | beardy | Read to the finish to find out why it's necessary then? |
| 05:29.32 | beardy | If it does fetch something using http, any webserver will do of course. |
| 05:29.39 | mi11k1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.00 | mi11k1 | That's the thing, I know what it does, but I do not know exactly how it works I've never seen it working |
| 05:30.33 | mi11k1 | I am just using DNS masq, & I was wanted to learn more about Pfc |
| 05:30.57 | SirLagz | pfc? |
| 05:31.12 | mi11k1 | sorry speech to text, pxe |
| 05:31.44 | SirLagz | pxe is easy with dnsmasq since dnsmasq can do both the dhcp, and tftp server |
| 05:32.01 | SirLagz | mi11k1: you'd only need a webserver if you're using a preseed file |
| 05:32.12 | SirLagz | generally |
| 05:32.57 | mi11k1 | Ok cool now I know which to follow |
| 05:34.48 | beardy | Don't follow random tutorials without reading them through, think about if it makes sense or if it's bullshit, then do. (general advice) |
| 05:35.00 | mi11k1 | I have a spare Raspberry Pi laying around, with a 15 gig USB stick I was thinking about maybe trying to make. And PXE server |
| 05:35.22 | mi11k1 | Well, that's generally what I do, but all the tutorials are pretty vast and different on the subject |
| 05:35.31 | beardy | Exactly.. |
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| 05:50.45 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 05:52.08 | tite12345 | Why is it that even when my battery is unplugged my battery indicator still shows up? |
| 05:52.22 | tite12345 | I've long noticed this. |
| 05:52.30 | tite12345 | Ever since installing Jessie |
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| 05:54.53 | aswin | hi all |
| 05:55.12 | aswin | anyone using debian in thinkpad l440? |
| 05:55.19 | aswin | I have some wifi issues |
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| 05:56.22 | aswin | the kernel module for realtek-RTL8192EE fialed to load |
| 05:56.52 | aswin | when I "dmesg | grep -i RTL8192" |
| 05:57.23 | aswin | I got the error "r8192ee 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin (-2)" |
| 05:57.30 | aswin | can anyone help ? |
| 05:57.49 | jmcnaught | aswin: hello. there's a wiki page about your family of wifi cards: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 05:58.15 | aswin | jmcnaught: I have already gone through that |
| 05:58.34 | jmcnaught | aswin: basically you will need to install the package firmware-realtek from non-free, did you already do that? |
| 05:59.12 | aswin | jmcnaught: I have installed the drivers but the issue is that the firmware cant able to load into kernel |
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| 06:00.47 | jmcnaught | aswin: if you do "dpkg -L firmware-realtek | grep rtl8192eefw.bin" does it give a result? |
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| 06:03.10 | aswin | jmcnaught: no |
| 06:03.18 | aswin | jmcnaught: :( |
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| 06:04.45 | jmcnaught | aswin: so it seems that the firmware you need is not in the package for some reason. can you find the file in a driver .zip on a manufacturer website? |
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| 06:08.03 | nevyn | !r8192ee |
| 06:08.03 | dpkg | Realtek RTL8192EE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:818b) are supported by the r8192ee staging driver, introduced at Linux 3.16. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about <realtek firmware>. |
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| 06:08.14 | nevyn | !realtek firmware |
| 06:08.14 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
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| 06:09.46 | aswin | dpkg -L firmware-realtek | grep rtlw8192eefw.bin dowsn't give any output |
| 06:09.46 | dpkg | ii firmware-realtek | grep rtlw8192eefw.bin dowsn't give any output 2.9-15.3 aswin's private porn collection |
| 06:10.15 | jmcnaught | judd: file rtl8192eefw.bin |
| 06:10.18 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 06:11.30 | nevyn | jmcnaught: the firmware-installer package doesn't include it itinstalls it from the net |
| 06:12.13 | aswin | nevyn: what to do to get the wifi working |
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| 06:12.50 | aswin | I am getting an error "r8192ee 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin (-2)" |
| 06:13.14 | nevyn | !tell aswin about non-free-sources |
| 06:13.28 | nevyn | !tell aswin about realtek firmware |
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| 06:13.54 | aswin | I have already installed the drivers |
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| 06:15.40 | aswin | I have "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" already in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:17.27 | aswin | nevyn: any help |
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| 06:21.55 | jmcnaught | aswin: Here is a link to a bug report requesting that this file be included in the firmware-realtek package. One of the comments has a link to a github that has a copy of that file (but i don't know whose github repo it is) |
| 06:22.01 | jmcnaught | aswin: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755423 |
| 06:22.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/755423 in firmware-realtek (open): «Please include rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-07-20; last modified: 2015-02-06. |
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| 06:23.34 | jelly | judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin --release testing |
| 06:23.37 | judd | Search for rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin |
| 06:23.54 | jelly | aswin: or grab it from firmware-realtek package in testing |
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| 06:24.21 | aswin | jelly: How to do that |
| 06:24.36 | jelly | or better, jessie-backports |
| 06:24.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell aswin about jessie-backports |
| 06:25.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell aswin about bdo |
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| 06:28.09 | aswin | jelly: I have added the mirror for jessie-backports |
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| 06:28.32 | aswin | jelly: Now how can I get the firmware from there? |
| 06:28.48 | jelly | aswin: read the instructions web page |
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| 06:42.09 | aswin | I have tried to get the driver from the backports |
| 06:42.21 | aswin | still the issue remains |
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| 06:46.29 | aswin | if I have rtl8192eefw.bin then where I need to dumb it to getting work |
| 06:47.16 | jmcnaught | aswin: hey sorry i didn't realize that the firmware was available in the backports package, my apt-file was out of date. do you no longer get the same error? how are you trying to connect? |
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| 06:47.50 | aswin | its not working !! |
| 06:48.00 | aswin | saying the same error |
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| 06:48.10 | aswin | rtl8192eefw.bin |
| 06:48.19 | aswin | firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin (-2) |
| 06:48.50 | aswin | but luckily I rtl8192eefw.bin |
| 06:48.53 | madmattco | aswin: what version of deb are you running |
| 06:48.59 | aswin | jessie |
| 06:49.18 | aswin | 3.16.0-4-686-pae |
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| 06:49.28 | madmattco | download http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb and install it |
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| 06:50.22 | jmcnaught | madmattco: that version of the package doesn't have the file that aswin needs. they just tried to install the package from jessie-backports, which does |
| 06:50.48 | jmcnaught | aswin: "apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" what version of the package do you have installed now? |
| 06:51.20 | aswin | firmware-realtek: Installed: 0.43 Candidate: 0.43 Version table: *** 0.43 0 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/non-free i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 06:52.09 | aswin | but rtl8192eefw.bin can't be loaded while booting |
| 06:52.16 | jmcnaught | aswin: check the instructions on the backports page again. when you install packages from backports, you need to use the "-t jessie-backports" option with apt-get, they're not selected automatically |
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| 06:54.18 | aswin | its installing the same :( |
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| 06:54.22 | aswin | 0.43 |
| 06:54.51 | aswin | I have used sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-realtek |
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| 06:55.49 | aswin | jmcnaught: suppose I have a prcompiled binary then where can i copy and paste that files |
| 06:56.17 | aswin | jmcnaught: http://ftp2.halpanet.org/source/_dev/linux-firmware.git/rtlwifi/ |
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| 06:56.36 | jmcnaught | aswin: using the package form jessie-backports is better |
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| 06:56.57 | aswin | its the same |
| 06:57.13 | aswin | I got the same version |
| 06:57.41 | aswin | from jessie stable main and jessie-backports |
| 06:58.03 | madmattco | stable main and backport versions are diff |
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| 06:58.12 | jmcnaught | aswin: if your firmware is installed as a a package, it will get upgrades automatically in the future. Installing from backports is easy. "apt-get install -t jessie-backports firmware-realtek" |
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| 09:00.13 | dr_hitchcock | Hello! Does anyone know how to take the text print on screen from the last line in terminal and use it in your next command? |
| 09:00.22 | dr_hitchcock | I'm thinking pipe it somehow |
| 09:00.41 | dr_hitchcock | For example: pwd then add it to the line "beet import xxxxxx" |
| 09:00.57 | CissWit | try !! |
| 09:01.14 | CissWit | oh |
| 09:01.22 | CissWit | tail -1 ? |
| 09:01.59 | CissWit | oh ok i understand your question, you want to use tail -1 to filter the last line then xargs to use it in your next command |
| 09:02.25 | CissWit | i guess i have somehow answer your question whatever it was. I'm still not sure :D |
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| 09:06.34 | dr_hitchcock | I'm trying to find a way of not having to use my mouse to copy the last line of terminal in what I am doing |
| 09:06.45 | dr_hitchcock | pwd prints where I am |
| 09:07.03 | dr_hitchcock | then I was that instead of the xxx in "beet import xxx" |
| 09:07.25 | dr_hitchcock | I thought "pwd | beet import" would work |
| 09:07.55 | berarma | dr_hitchcock, you want to do "beet import $(pwd)" |
| 09:08.06 | berarma | this works at least for bash |
| 09:08.08 | DominikB | dr_hitchcock, pwd | xargs echo 'beet import' |
| 09:08.24 | dr_hitchcock | ah ha, thanks very much |
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| 09:52.10 | oktayaa | guys. I just replaced squeeze with wheeze in my sources.list but upgrade or dist-upgrade does nothing. What do I check? |
| 09:52.18 | oktayaa | *wheezy |
| 09:52.34 | at0m | oktayaa: did you apt update before upgrade? |
| 09:52.43 | oktayaa | yes. and many times since |
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| 09:53.09 | oktayaa | also put in a clean sources.list file. no change. |
| 09:53.24 | DominikB | oktayaa, apt-get update? |
| 09:53.27 | oktayaa | no errors in update either. |
| 09:53.41 | DominikB | id it say squeeze or wheezy |
| 09:54.21 | oktayaa | Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg |
| 09:54.28 | oktayaa | goes like this. wheezy. |
| 09:55.51 | DominikB | ok and nothing in apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:59.59 | at0m | oktayaa: do you use pinning? |
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| 10:00.24 | omid8bimo | how can i know which font my current shell/terminal is using right now? |
| 10:01.57 | oktayaa | at0m: i do not. This is so weird. It's like a rootkit that doesn't like systemd. :) |
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| 10:04.52 | oktayaa | can anybody think of anything else to check? |
| 10:08.55 | oktayaa | Could I already have been on Wheezy? |
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| 10:09.04 | nosre | Can someone share a light for detecting which partition should I install grub, since windows replaced the multi-boot with their own proprietary. http://pastebin.com/F9mLU9dE |
| 10:09.29 | oktayaa | nosre: grup should boot windows fine so mbr ? |
| 10:09.49 | be-safe-out-ther | Otyg: cat /etc/debian_version and maybe try to delete the files in /var/lib/apt/list/ |
| 10:09.59 | nosre | oktayaa: exacly. a windows installing hecked debian boot |
| 10:10.13 | oktayaa | lsb_release -a |
| 10:10.14 | nosre | so now I need both, not only windows as it is |
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| 10:10.22 | oktayaa | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.9 (wheezy) |
| 10:10.32 | oktayaa | shit. this is confusing. |
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| 10:11.03 | nosre | oktayaa: what is the mbr |
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| 10:11.10 | oktayaa | haha. so I need to upgrade to Jessie. Apparently I did squeeze to wheezy before. |
| 10:11.14 | oktayaa | shit. |
| 10:11.30 | oktayaa | nosre: where it installs itself by default. master boot record of the first boot disk |
| 10:11.39 | markybob | !mbr |
| 10:11.39 | dpkg | The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
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| 10:14.11 | nosre | oktayaa: so the command must be install-mbr instead of installing grub and ~sudo install grub~ |
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| 10:22.40 | nosre | oktayaa: markybob │ GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/sda ││ Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start ││ up properly.│ Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? |
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| 10:31.57 | labsy | hi all. as soon as I put a public key in my /etc/ssh/authorized_keys for a user. I get the error message: "This service allows sftp connections only." |
| 10:32.06 | labsy | I'm using sftponly subcommand in my sshd_config |
| 10:32.28 | labsy | with a password based connection it works. as soon as I put a pubkey it doesn't. |
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| 11:22.34 | JyZyXEL | even with an empty configuration file, 'imwheel' makes mouse thumb buttons not work at all |
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| 11:23.35 | JyZyXEL | it seems to be uncompatible with the current Xorg in Debian |
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| 11:28.13 | SPF | in Debian 7, ulimit -u results in unlimited, in Debian 8 this results in 1912. However, /etc/security/limits.conf is not configured. Where are these settings coming from? |
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| 11:30.14 | jelly | SPF: I got 31807 on wheezy |
| 11:31.04 | SPF | jelly: so it's probably set to either 2000 or 32000, but where? |
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| 11:32.12 | SPF | or is it hardcoded? |
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| 11:33.00 | DominikB | SPF, look in the /etc/defaults/dovecot or in the systemctl files |
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| 11:37.34 | SPF | DominikB: I don't have dovecot installed and found nothing in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 11:38.42 | jelly | SPF: also, I have 62497 on debian 8 (with sysvinit) |
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| 11:43.04 | DominikB | SPF, was in the wrong channel sry |
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| 11:43.10 | SPF | jelly: any idea where this setting is stored? |
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| 11:48.23 | jelly | SPF: no idea |
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| 11:50.44 | joker_89 | hi |
| 11:50.54 | joker_89 | how can i setup samba using ldap? any interesting resource |
| 11:51.09 | bazhang | #samba |
| 11:51.34 | joker_89 | but i am looking some webpages like https://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAServerSetup |
| 11:51.40 | joker_89 | are these resources good? |
| 11:51.43 | joker_89 | and updated |
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| 11:52.05 | joker_89 | it talks about sldap.config and i have ldap.config :S |
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| 11:52.56 | SynrGy | when using the wiki, click "info" to answer if it's updated. pay particular attention to *what* was updated recently (use the diff) and what was left there from 4.5 years ago |
| 11:52.57 | omid8bimo | anybody knows how can i use terminus font in my urxvt? |
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| 11:53.39 | Teduardo | Howdy, does anybody know if there are plans to fix sendmail so that you can use DH keys > 768? |
| 11:53.53 | joker_89 | 4.5 years ago? |
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| 11:54.39 | SynrGy | joker_89: did you click 'info'? |
| 11:54.56 | joker_89 | on the bottom of the page says 2014 last update |
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| 11:55.06 | SynrGy | joker_89: did you look at the revision history and click 'diff'? |
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| 11:55.42 | SynrGy | joker_89: this is why it's important to actually look at what revisions are done and not just rely on the latest updated date to indicate if the content is up-to-date or not |
| 11:55.53 | joker_89 | i see |
| 11:55.55 | joker_89 | its 4.5 yeras ago |
| 11:56.03 | SynrGy | joker_89: by using this method we can determine that most of the content is 4.5 years or old |
| 11:56.06 | SynrGy | older* |
| 11:56.10 | SynrGy | and only a tiny section was added recently |
| 11:56.20 | SynrGy | joker_89: install samba-doc |
| 11:56.30 | SynrGy | joker_89: then see /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/LDAP |
| 11:56.37 | joker_89 | ok |
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| 11:57.43 | SynrGy | omid8bimo: by editing ~/.Xresources ... for example, I have URxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=15 |
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| 11:58.23 | SynrGy | omid8bimo: actually, arch's wiki has a rather nice page on customizing urxvt which I have found is largely relevant to Debian as well. i haven't found a better resource. |
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| 11:59.40 | SynrGy | omid8bimo: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode (with the caution that the non-urxvt-specific advice there may be entirely different for Debian) |
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| 12:04.00 | shibly | Hi |
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| 12:06.57 | omid8bimo | SynrGy: okay thanks. but will these .pcf or .psf fonts work? or i should get a ttf version? |
| 12:07.43 | SynrGy | omid8bimo: i think they should work. i just happen to prefer Truetype |
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| 12:09.52 | SynrGy | omid8bimo: note that some of the Arch-specific locations for fonts will differ for Debian (the fonts dir is divided into subdirs) |
| 12:09.55 | jelly | omid8bimo: rxvt-unicode works with both X server bitmap fonts and ttf. bitmap font specification is arcane... URxvt.font:-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1 |
| 12:10.08 | SynrGy | but you should be able to find fonts.alias files in there in the subdirs |
| 12:10.50 | jelly | put the custom bitmap fonts into /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
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| 12:11.01 | omid8bimo | well, i tried to use xfontsel to get exact line for terminus font but its not showing up there |
| 12:11.17 | jelly | omid8bimo: is xfonts-terminus installed? |
| 12:11.24 | jelly | ,v xfonts-terminus |
| 12:11.25 | judd | Package: xfonts-terminus on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.30-2; wheezy: 4.35-1; sid: 4.39-1; stretch: 4.39-1; jessie: 4.39-1 |
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| 12:12.09 | jelly | if you just installed it and did not restart X since, you may have to run "xset fp rehash" |
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| 12:12.19 | Aprendiz1234_ | is possible to install in debian 8 packages from debian experimental? |
| 12:12.32 | bazhang | mot a good idea at all |
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| 12:12.38 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: all things are possible. not all things are prudent. :) |
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| 12:12.49 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: probably a great way to break your system |
| 12:12.50 | omid8bimo | jelly: no. i installed it manually from http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:12.52 | jelly | Aprendiz1234_: sometimes it's possible, but it's not guaranteed to work or not break your system |
| 12:13.08 | jelly | omid8bimo: that sounds silly, seeing as there's a nice package |
| 12:13.16 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 12:13.41 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: Yes I know. I don't like taht solutions but I need a package that is only in experimental. I have importan problems withs osx clients and samba4 server |
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| 12:14.12 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: sometimes a backport is possible, as per: |
| 12:14.16 | SynrGy | !tell Aprendiz1234_ about ssb |
| 12:14.33 | SynrGy | but that would need to be done with care |
| 12:14.39 | omid8bimo | jelly: okay. so i'll install it from repo and restart X. then i should have it in xfontsel? |
| 12:14.53 | jelly | omid8bimo: yes |
| 12:15.10 | jelly | omid8bimo: also, xlsfonts | grep -i terminus |
| 12:15.24 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: I only want to upgrade to samba4.2 that is in experimental and solve compatibility with OSX. I am thinking about backports or from the scratch. |
| 12:15.30 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: of course, that factoid is for sid, so you would need to substitute experimental for unstable. |
| 12:15.33 | omid8bimo | jelly: okay. let me try |
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| 12:15.52 | jelly | ,v samba4 |
| 12:15.53 | judd | No package named 'samba4' was found in amd64. |
| 12:15.55 | jelly | ,v samba |
| 12:15.56 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2; stretch: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4; sid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4; experimental: |
| 12:15.57 | judd | 2:4.2.1+dfsg-1 |
| 12:16.01 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: particularly with something of the size and complexity of samba, i think you're probably in for quite a lot more work than you imagine. |
| 12:16.14 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: it would be better to backport patches if you can |
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| 12:17.27 | SPF | jelly: I found the ulimit settings, they are in the kernel unless specified in limits.conf |
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| 12:18.50 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: 4.2 is only in experimental like judd shows. |
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| 12:21.08 | jelly | judd: checkbackport samba --fromrelease experimental --torelease jessie |
| 12:21.10 | judd | Backporting package samba in experimental→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtalloc-dev (>= 2.1.2~), libtdb-dev (>= 1.3.4~), libtevent-dev (>= 0.9.24~), python-talloc-dev (>= 2.1.2~), python-tdb (>= 1.3.4~). |
| 12:21.26 | jelly | Aprendiz1234_: sounds like a nontrivial backport |
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| 12:23.09 | Aprendiz1234_ | jelly SynrGy: Other option is to use samba 3.6 that works fine although I don't like to go to previous versions but it would be better |
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| 12:23.38 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: you could consider running it in a VM of wheezy |
| 12:23.52 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: at least that way it's on a supported platform |
| 12:23.55 | JyZyXEL | whats the build command after doing "apt-get source ..."? |
| 12:24.05 | jelly | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 12:24.38 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: or more elegant, in a container (lxc, docker) |
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| 12:24.46 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: is it better in your opinion using a previous stable instead of install samba 3.6 with backports? |
| 12:25.10 | jelly | SynrGy: which, if any, container tech works and is packaged in jessie? |
| 12:25.22 | SynrGy | jelly: ah. that, i don't know :) |
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| 12:25.29 | SynrGy | so maybe my advice is junk |
| 12:25.50 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: if it were me, I'd use it on a supported release. otherwise, i can't file bugs on it |
| 12:26.17 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: there is no "backport" of samba 3.6 for jessie (not a backport at all) nor will there ever be one |
| 12:26.35 | SynrGy | so your support status from debian there is nil |
| 12:26.54 | jelly | foreport? |
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| 12:27.04 | SynrGy | that sounds ... mildly dirty |
| 12:27.11 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: Yes, I agree it is better use Wheezy |
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| 12:32.55 | JyZyXEL | jelly: is there something i can use to add entry to the changelog? |
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| 12:33.19 | JyZyXEL | seems to be extremely important that its correct to the byte |
| 12:33.20 | jelly | JyZyXEL: use dch, or add it manually |
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| 12:33.36 | xennex81 | is it really easy in Debian to revert to sysvinit? I noticed that there are the required trees and a kernel option that will allow it. |
| 12:33.48 | jelly | JyZyXEL: spacing is important but otherwise it's not hard to edit it manually |
| 12:33.51 | SynrGy | the release notes has information about it, xennex81 |
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| 12:34.00 | SynrGy | !release notes |
| 12:34.00 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 12:34.08 | jelly | !jessie sysvinit |
| 12:34.08 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
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| 12:34.32 | jelly | xennex81: I'd say it's fairly easy |
| 12:34.35 | SynrGy | yep |
| 12:34.41 | xennex81 | thx :) will read. |
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| 12:35.56 | jelly | tho changelogs from 8.2 seem to have fixed the most annoying bugs with systemd |
| 12:36.34 | xennex81 | another question: Debian 8 with systemD 215 does not do the network interface device renaming that happens on other systems, correct? |
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| 12:37.35 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: is there any easy and not conflict way to change a hard drive to other machine and the LVM settings? |
| 12:38.22 | SynrGy | Aprendiz1234_: do i look like an expert in this area? seems like a new topic. just ask the channel and don't highlight me in particular. |
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| 12:38.43 | Aprendiz1234_ | SynrGy: OK, sorry |
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| 12:39.20 | xennex81 | I mean that on e.g. OpenSUSE and Kubuntu 15.10 the eth0 gets renamed to eps0s25 or something like that |
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| 12:39.50 | iamrohit7 | i recently switched back from xubuntu to gnome on debian. i installed gnome using apt-get install gnome-shell. after i select gnome from login screen, my mouse turns into a cursor and the desktop never shows up. i also installed gnome-core packages. any help? |
| 12:39.54 | Aprendiz1234_ | is there anyway to move a hard drive to another server and maintain the lvm settings? |
| 12:40.19 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: I don't recall noticing anything that is really hard-configured in LVM? |
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| 12:40.39 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: LVM seems to be defined on disk in disk structures |
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| 12:41.37 | SynrGy | xennex81: i don't know what other distros do. but i don't think systemd-networkd is used in debian yet. |
| 12:42.01 | xennex81 | SynrGy: okay so that's it, thanks. Very pleasant btw, you have to disable that on other systems. |
| 12:42.08 | SynrGy | xennex81: it's still either ifupdown, or else NetworkManager (or other managers as alternatives, like wicd) |
| 12:42.21 | xennex81 | SynrGy: wicd, I heard of that... |
| 12:42.33 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: Then If I move a hard drive to another server it suppose to works fine? I have a vmware environment |
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| 12:43.13 | zamba | apticron reports 1327 available updates, but when i run aptitude upgrade i have none.. what's going on? |
| 12:43.22 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: there are only two possibilities: either LVM is tied to your hardware (cpu, chipset, etc.) or any "live" session would not be able to load the LVM off disk. |
| 12:43.37 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: what I mean is live sessions do work with LVM they did not create |
| 12:43.54 | SynrGy | xennex81: looks like recent discussion of what may be ahead: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00106.html |
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| 12:44.33 | SynrGy | hm. not really discussion, per se. just a sideways reference |
| 12:44.35 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: ok |
| 12:44.48 | JyZyXEL | jelly: do i just append ~jyzyxel to the last package name? |
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| 12:45.56 | SynrGy | package names aren't versions. '~jyzyxel' looks like you intend it to be a version# suffix. is this what you mean? |
| 12:45.59 | xennex81 | SynrGy: hmmm. |
| 12:46.23 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: so my current personal definite answer is: yes it will work. |
| 12:46.28 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: i commented out one line from the code |
| 12:46.41 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what kind of versioning changes that warrants |
| 12:47.04 | SynrGy | xennex81: i imagine more complete discussion can be found if you search. that is, jessie doesn't have it, but there may be work on it for future releases. |
| 12:47.17 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: then do you think that moving a virtual disk to othe server it will work ? |
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| 12:48.29 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: dpkg said to just append ~nickname |
| 12:48.35 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: if it's for personal use, the only thing you should care about is if a future release from Debian supercedes yours, that it should upgrade cleanly |
| 12:48.36 | JyZyXEL | or something like that |
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| 12:48.43 | markybob | Aprendiz1234_, i can't imagine why it wouldn't. i've done it before |
| 12:48.47 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: exactly! |
| 12:48.48 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: yes, but you said "to the package name" which is inaccurate |
| 12:48.54 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 12:48.59 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: version# is not a part of the name |
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| 12:49.33 | xennex81 | SynrGy: I'm scared of SystemD integration, they seem to want to absorb and assimilate everything else |
| 12:49.45 | xennex81 | SynrGy: Soon Linux will be called SystemD. |
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| 12:49.48 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: so yes, '~something' is a suffix that compares earlier than other suffixes and thus allows clean upgrades. |
| 12:49.55 | xennex81 | SynrGy: every package will have systemd in its name :P |
| 12:49.56 | Aprendiz1234_ | markybob: OK. I don't know if LVM use some local information that is needed in the migration |
| 12:50.07 | JyZyXEL | that sounds prefect |
| 12:50.15 | Aprendiz1234_ | markybob: is it all in the hard disk? |
| 12:50.17 | SynrGy | xennex81: i, for one, welcome our new systemd overlords |
| 12:50.23 | markybob | Aprendiz1234_, yeah. you'll be fine |
| 12:50.25 | xennex81 | SynrGy: haha |
| 12:50.37 | xennex81 | SynrGy: maybe if you pay your taxes :P. |
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| 12:50.40 | SynrGy | xennex81: after some small learning curve, i mostly don't give it any thought anymore |
| 12:50.43 | Aprendiz1234_ | markybob: thanks |
| 12:50.49 | SynrGy | xennex81: but this is veering OT |
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| 12:51.30 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: LVM is not configured in your linux system except perhaps for something in the initrd, and not even that I believe. |
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| 12:52.03 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: i get "dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes" |
| 12:52.11 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: there are some systems that may not automatically load (activate) an LVM volume group, e.g. after you open a cryptsetup device. |
| 12:52.19 | JyZyXEL | how do i commit my changes to the package? |
| 12:52.29 | SynrGy | xennex81: I'm scared of GNU. they seem to want to absorb and assimilate everything else. soon Linux will be called GNU/Linux ... oh, wait ... |
| 12:52.30 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: but other than that everything is automatic and read from disk |
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| 12:52.48 | xennex81 | SynrGy: rightly so! :P. |
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| 12:52.59 | JyZyXEL | dpkg bot said nothing about this |
| 12:52.59 | dpkg | JyZyXEL: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:53.00 | xennex81 | we should be very scared of the gnu. |
| 12:53.10 | SynrGy | xennex81: BSD zealots will complain about "rampant featurism" of GNU |
| 12:53.33 | JyZyXEL | oh i have to use patches |
| 12:53.36 | xennex81 | SynrGy: right. But then they're zealots, right? :p ?. |
| 12:53.38 | SynrGy | but it's all very tiring. i use systemd because it's the default, and am (minus a few hiccups to be expected starting out) mostly happy |
| 12:54.00 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: Thanks |
| 12:54.04 | xennex81 | SynrGy: I guess I have different goals in the end. |
| 12:54.27 | SynrGy | fair enough. and as I pointed out earlier, kinda OT. so we can just agree to disagree on this point :) |
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| 12:54.56 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: I have to use vgexport and vgimport for freeze LVM during migration. haven't I? |
| 12:55.22 | xennex81 | SynrGy: I don't even think we disagree so much ;-). If you can laugh about it, it's not so serious ;-). |
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| 12:55.37 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: I have no experience with VMs though, but I doubt that. |
| 12:55.50 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: they are just static on-disk structures like a partition table. |
| 12:56.28 | Aprendiz1234_ | xennex81: I mean for LVM => http://www.lazysystemadmin.com/2010/10/moving-volume-group-to-another-server.html |
| 12:57.16 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: do i just add my patch to debian/patches/? |
| 12:57.31 | JyZyXEL | or do i have to do something else too? |
| 12:58.32 | xennex81 | Aprendiz1234_: seems reasonable, i guess it just flags the VG as not-to-be-used, I think export and import are misnomers |
| 12:58.52 | SynrGy | !tell JyZyXEL about debsrc3.0 |
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| 13:27.53 | maasha | Hi, what is the command to start debian's ncurses based partition manager? |
| 13:28.12 | maasha | (the one from the installation) |
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| 14:04.31 | maasha | using cfdisk what file fs type is used for ext4? |
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| 14:10.20 | Hawri | maasha: 83 and then create fs using mkfs.ext4 (erases data) |
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| 14:11.03 | maasha | Hawri: seems I have to go with parted since I want a 12Tb partition |
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| 14:13.10 | Hawri | maasha: yep. don't think cfdisk supports gpt partitions though I might be wrong |
| 14:13.44 | maasha | Hawri: no, it kindly sas parted too |
| 14:13.49 | maasha | says |
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| 14:18.02 | maasha | what is best to use in fstab UUID or LABEL? |
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| 14:19.00 | markybob | maasha, it's not a big deal anymore. it helped during the hda->sda change, for example. |
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| 14:19.18 | maasha | so I can stick with LABEL and it is cool |
| 14:19.24 | markybob | maasha, yep |
| 14:19.27 | maasha | cool |
| 14:19.32 | maasha | sticks |
| 14:19.39 | maasha | thanks, RAID is up and running |
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| 14:19.42 | Brigo | maasha, the only problem is with removable media. |
| 14:20.06 | maasha | Noone is removing my RAID hopefully :o) |
| 14:21.52 | darxmurf | folks... I think it's time for a beer |
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| 14:22.25 | abrotman | maasha: mdraid or hwraid? |
| 14:22.51 | darxmurf | I would have say "tap or bottle" |
| 14:22.53 | darxmurf | :D |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | darxmurf: need help? |
| 14:23.29 | darxmurf | you are more than welcome of course |
| 14:23.56 | markybob | darxmurf, he's telling you in a kind way that you're off topic |
| 14:25.10 | darxmurf | usually when I talk about a beer here friday after 4PM there is no problem |
| 14:25.27 | darxmurf | but sorry about my intrusion |
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| 14:27.08 | abrotman | darxmurf: feel free to socialize in #debian-offtopic, lots of beer drinkers there |
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| 14:27.59 | akisam | I'm try to install vim and it's asking me to insert a debian disk to install vim, how can I fix that ? |
| 14:28.11 | jelly | akisam: which debian version do you have? |
| 14:28.49 | jelly | akisam: comment out the uncommented cdrom lines starting with deb in /etc/apt/sources.list, and try again |
| 14:28.56 | akisam | installed debian with 8.2 netinstall |
| 14:29.17 | markybob | don't forget apt-get update |
| 14:29.48 | akisam | thanks |
| 14:29.53 | jelly | markybob: actually, no need to! |
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| 14:45.03 | BananaJo3 | Can I combine all DVD ISO images to a single ISO image? |
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| 14:45.13 | jelly | BananaJo3: probably not. |
| 14:45.20 | markybob | BananaJo3, not unless you invent a new media |
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| 14:45.40 | BananaJo3 | I wanted to copy all ISO contents to my single USB drive |
| 14:46.00 | jelly | a custom hdd/usb installer image containing everything might be possible |
| 14:46.10 | markybob | BananaJo3, i want to be rich |
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| 14:46.19 | jelly | I want a pony! |
| 14:46.20 | BananaJo3 | markybob: very useless comment |
| 14:46.28 | markybob | BananaJo3, so was yours |
| 14:46.43 | BananaJo3 | mine was a question about the debian installer, your's not |
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| 14:47.22 | madmattco | markybob has helped enough people in here, he is entitled to a snide useless comment from time to time |
| 14:47.31 | madmattco | and BananaJo3 yes you can. if only you can google |
| 14:47.57 | jelly | I'm not sure how googlable is a custom d-i scenario |
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| 14:48.06 | jelly | !custom d-i |
| 14:48.07 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
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| 14:48.25 | jelly | argh, custom cd ain't it |
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| 14:48.40 | BananaJo3 | 75% of all peoples here say "Google it", why does this channel exist then if you don't help or try to help? |
| 14:48.40 | BananaJo3 | * don't try |
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| 14:49.03 | madmattco | because what kind of world would we live in if people stopped knowing how to do things for themselves? |
| 14:49.04 | Brigo | BananaJo3, we try to help as far as we can. |
| 14:49.47 | madmattco | also, http://bfy.tw/1kGD |
| 14:50.28 | jelly | BananaJo3: go read the debian-installer docs, if you figure out how to make custom hdd installer image you should be able to populate it with all the packages |
| 14:50.35 | jelly | !d-i |
| 14:50.35 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 14:50.37 | njbair | hopefully easy question: if I'm setting up a debian VM as a build environment and I only need the CLI, can I uncheck "Debian Desktop Environment" in the net installer software selection dialog? Usually DE refers to a GUI/window system etc., just want to make sure. |
| 14:50.48 | madmattco | yes |
| 14:51.09 | njbair | excellent. thanks |
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| 14:52.09 | jelly | njbair: you can uncheck everything, and end up with a base installation |
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| 14:53.09 | njbair | seems weird that DE was checked but none of the sub-options (GNOME, KDE, XFCE, etc.) were checked. Also, print server was a default option. |
| 14:53.12 | BananaJo3 | Thank you, jelly + markybob . It wan't so hard, no? .. o.O |
| 14:53.20 | BananaJo3 | * madmattco |
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| 14:53.36 | madmattco | de is checked by default. you just always have to choose which one you want |
| 14:54.46 | njbair | choice by default? that's culture shock for me having used Ubuntu for the past three years |
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| 14:55.41 | jelly | njbair: gnome is the enabled default, but the ASCII art can be confusing |
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| 14:57.50 | macondo | i never check any, especially the default. after reboot, install xorg, icewm, menu |
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| 14:58.56 | jelly | BananaJo3: from my PoV, the !d-i factoid wasn't much different from <jelly> a custom hdd/usb installer image containing everything might be possible -- and you did not comment on that at all |
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| 14:59.41 | BananaJo3 | maybe, but let us calm down and be friendly, jelly ;) |
| 14:59.48 | BananaJo3 | but anyway, thanks at all |
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| 15:01.30 | njbair | jelly, here's what comes up by default: http://i.imgur.com/sDdW9M1.png |
| 15:01.41 | njbair | are you sure GNOME is selected by default? |
| 15:03.37 | markybob | njbair, in jelly we trust |
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| 15:07.03 | jelly | njbair: yes. If you don't touch anything, you get Gnome |
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| 15:07.28 | BananaJo3 | GNOME 3.14 AFAIK |
| 15:07.28 | njbair | does it seem weird to anyone else that Print Server is selected by default? |
| 15:07.53 | jelly | njbair: that's a bit misleading -- you need a print server to print stuff locally, too |
| 15:08.04 | njbair | ah, CUPS |
| 15:08.07 | jelly | nod |
| 15:08.23 | njbair | yeah that's a bit misleading |
| 15:08.38 | njbair | but then again most people wouldn't be doing a netinst |
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| 15:09.11 | greycat | !! |
| 15:09.11 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:09.19 | greycat | Um. Most people do a netinst. |
| 15:09.27 | jelly | njbair: you don't need any of that crap for a build machine, except ssh and standard utils |
| 15:09.54 | greycat | And most of the people who don't do one, SHOULD have done one. |
| 15:10.02 | jelly | or you can distrust Debian's choice of what "standard" means and deselect everything ;-) |
| 15:10.27 | macondo | is there a sound bug in jessie? it works fine in Testing and Sid. |
| 15:10.39 | njbair | I unchecked all of them and took a snapshot. i've decided to make this a project to find out every single package needed for a generic build environment |
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| 15:11.09 | BananaJo3 | Netinstall, minimal installation (unselect all except SSH), install kernel-package (if custom kernels are wanted), build-essential, other tools like git, svn, etc |
| 15:11.21 | markybob | njbair, okay. build for what? |
| 15:11.47 | njbair | markybob, gcc as a baseline |
| 15:11.50 | BananaJo3 | and, of course, other -dev libraries |
| 15:11.52 | jelly | custom kernels are not needed that often these days |
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| 15:12.09 | njbair | just the build-essential stuff |
| 15:12.23 | njbair | ssh and git as well |
| 15:12.42 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I was using Twinkle in Wheezy because it worked the most reliably with my Asterisk server. I see that it's not available in Jessie so does anyone recommend a VoIP softphone that is available? |
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| 15:13.14 | BananaJo3 | !help |
| 15:13.16 | BananaJo3 | !? |
| 15:13.20 | BananaJo3 | oh query |
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| 15:50.22 | finetundra2235 | hey folks, I can ask questions about xrdp on debian in here right? |
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| 15:51.52 | G66K | hello all |
| 15:52.03 | G66K | is there any tool to cleanup logs ? |
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| 15:57.27 | JyZyXEL | when i execute "xrandr" is it normal for the whole Xorg to freeze for 2-3 seconds? |
| 15:57.30 | jhutchins | G66K: Need more specifics. Logrotate usually takes care of syslogs. |
| 15:57.50 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, no, it isn't check logs for errors. |
| 15:57.56 | JyZyXEL | what logs? |
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| 16:00.27 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, try journalctl -f |
| 16:00.45 | JyZyXEL | No journal files were found. |
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| 16:00.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | sudo. |
| 16:01.08 | JyZyXEL | no errors in there |
| 16:01.46 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, then ceck /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:03.29 | JyZyXEL | Brigo: ah, reading the EDID info causes it |
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| 16:04.02 | BeRoots | Hello :) |
| 16:04.04 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, the screen |
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| 16:04.18 | JyZyXEL | Brigo: yeah the screen has a corrupted EDID block |
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| 16:05.17 | G66K | jhutchins, any tool that may clean empty folder empty files and logs* |
| 16:05.30 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, http://peteprlm.hubpages.com/hub/how-to-reflash-a-monitors-corrupted-edid |
| 16:06.44 | Brigo | G66K, empty don't mean useless. |
| 16:07.00 | JyZyXEL | Brigo: i think its just the Dell BizLink adapter that sets the whole EDID block as 0xFF |
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| 16:13.59 | BeRoots | I would like to make .jigdo and .template for build a full HDD version of debian (same as the 3 blue ray, or all CD/DVD). Is it possible? |
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| 16:24.10 | Lope | how can I disable rsyslog in Jessie? |
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| 16:44.29 | jhutchins | Lope: Why? |
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| 16:45.48 | jhutchins | G66K: You can use find to do that, but be careful not to break things. |
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| 16:50.02 | c0m0 | what is filesystem id that I see when use stat -f / ? |
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| 16:51.53 | Lope | jhutchins: not every VM needs rsyslog |
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| 16:56.11 | jhutchins | Brigo: Cool link, thanks. |
| 16:56.33 | jhutchins | Lope: Why not? |
| 16:56.57 | jhutchins | Lope: Linux systems need some kind of syslog facility. |
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| 17:01.11 | greycat | found out the hard way that wheezy can and will run without rsyslogd installed, and you won't even know it until one day you look for your log files and they aren't there. |
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| 17:01.45 | greycat | If the machine was installed in a previous release that did not have rsyslogd, and upgraded, you got... that. |
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| 17:03.09 | Brigo | jhutchins, what link?? :D |
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| 17:03.25 | jhutchins | Brigo: The EDID utility. |
| 17:03.37 | Brigo | jhutchins, ah, just found it :) |
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| 17:04.16 | jhutchins | greycat: I would think that it would have had syslogd. |
| 17:04.56 | greycat | It was removed during the upgrade and then never replaced. This happened to me on two different wheezy upgrades. |
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| 17:07.06 | jhutchins | greycat: lenny to wheezy? |
| 17:07.16 | greycat | through squeeze, yes |
| 17:07.54 | greycat | In one case it was installed as lenny or older, and upgraded over the years. In the other, my VPS provider made the squeeze image doing god knows what, and I upgraded it to wheezy. |
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| 17:08.56 | jhutchins | greycat: It was probably the change from syslogd to rsyslogd that failed. |
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| 17:09.25 | greycat | Yes, I'm aware. It happened twice. I'm telling everyone else. |
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| 17:21.04 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:22.22 | DexterF | ext4 partition is full while df -hl claims 529 of 557 used, available 0%. there are only 5 files in that partition, VM disk files, all very big, not much loss in block sizes. how come? |
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| 17:22.43 | greycat | Possibly an open but unlinked log file? |
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| 17:40.21 | akisam | how can I setup wifi after a minimal net install ? |
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| 17:41.43 | markybob | akisam, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 17:43.23 | JodaZ | is it possible that a recent update/upgrade changed my ssh keys? |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | No. Only a full reinstall should do that. |
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| 17:43.53 | markybob | JodaZ, hmmm...i don't think so... |
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| 17:45.00 | JodaZ | well, something did, maybe my hosters sources are bogus, how do i list the machines signing keys? |
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| 17:49.46 | broswii | ciAO |
| 17:49.50 | broswii | !LIST |
| 17:49.50 | dpkg | broswii: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 18:00.08 | knite | hi #debian, I'm having some trouble building a deb package in Jenkins using jenkins-debian-glue. I've asked in #jenkins, but the channel isn't very lively. hoping someone here might be able to help. |
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| 18:00.35 | knite | the short version is that at the pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy step, it's complaining about some packages being missing, but they're definitely installed. the long version is https://github.com/mika/jenkins-debian-glue/issues/135 |
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| 18:03.12 | centrx | knite, Try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:09.23 | Brigo | knite, pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: dh-virtualenv (>= 0.7) but it is not going to be installed. |
| 18:09.38 | Brigo | knite, that looks the problem. Are you building the package in sid? |
| 18:09.53 | knite | Brigo: Ubuntu Trusty. |
| 18:10.09 | Brigo | knite, then i can't help you. |
| 18:10.59 | markybob | knite, it's pretty simple. trusty has 0.6-1. upgrade to utopic or backport |
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| 18:13.39 | knite | Brigo: yes, I'm installing it from a PPA. so I'll need to figure out how to get that PPA into pbuilder and the Jenkins job? |
| 18:14.06 | markybob | knite, you're not going to get ubuntu help in here. sorry mate |
| 18:14.14 | Brigo | knite, there is a guy asking the same in debian-mentors just now. |
| 18:14.32 | knite | Brigo, that's me. @centrx suggested I try that channel. :-) |
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| 18:14.55 | markybob | knite, don't. that's for debian, not ubuntu, as well |
| 18:14.58 | Brigo | knite, i can't see why. |
| 18:16.05 | knite | I can definitely pop out to an Ubuntu channel. I asked here first (well, after asking in #jenkins) because I'm building a deb. |
| 18:16.58 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 18:16.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 18:26.34 | jelly | DexterF: 5% of usable block space is reserved for root by default |
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| 18:28.23 | jelly | DexterF: dumpe2fs -h /dev/your-filesystem-device | grep -i 'block count' |
| 18:28.52 | jelly | DexterF: tune2fs can be used to modify the reserved amount or the uid it's reserved for |
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| 18:33.30 | wheel247 | !sources.list |
| 18:33.30 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:36.56 | wheel247 | hm does anyone have a wheezy sources.list they could put on paste.debian.net? |
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| 18:37.04 | wheel247 | I'm sure I'm missing a line |
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| 18:37.44 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 18:37.44 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:37.45 | g00se | http://sprunge.us/AKfP is mine |
| 18:37.48 | wheel247 | aha ty |
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| 18:38.09 | DexterF | greycat: lsof says no |
| 18:38.10 | Brigo | wheel247, why don't you paste yours, so we can check it out? |
| 18:38.11 | NoirLess | is there any server static? cant connect to ftp.fi.debian.org |
| 18:39.08 | markybob | NoirLess, i use http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ |
| 18:39.24 | greycat | I use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 18:39.56 | NoirLess | everything was fine, but today i cant check updates list |
| 18:39.59 | wheel247 | there we go all working. It's alright greycat sorted me the dpkg command :) |
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| 18:40.14 | wheel247 | I install by debootstrap so i'm often missing sources |
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| 18:41.01 | NoirLess | its check security.debian.org, then backports and then it shows 100% [Connect to ftp.debian.org] and nothing happens |
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| 18:42.00 | NoirLess | yes, cant connect with browser too |
| 18:42.00 | g00se | 'httpredir' - does that redirect automatically to a local mirror? |
| 18:42.23 | NoirLess | it redirects to nearest mirror, i think |
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| 18:42.48 | NoirLess | but there are some situations, when mirror in your current country isnt good idea |
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| 18:44.46 | markybob | http://httpredir.debian.org/ for info |
| 18:46.47 | tdn | bezaban, at0m: thanks for your help regarding ipv6 and bind. |
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| 18:49.45 | joker_89 | waht realm means? |
| 18:50.07 | greycat | You have to give us some context. |
| 18:50.16 | joker_89 | samba |
| 18:50.40 | greycat | I don't see that in my smb.conf file. No idea. |
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| 18:53.20 | markybob | i always thought realm was fqdn |
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| 19:03.32 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 19:04.21 | DexterF | ergh. ssh'ed, ran command that will run 3 hours, need to kill the machine I ssh'ed from. I could ctrl+z the process, bg it, disown, exit, but any chance of reading that output again? |
| 19:04.54 | Azrael_- | wanted to update lenny->squeeze, but had dependency onto debian-multimedia.org. tried to install "deb-multimedia-keyring_2015.6.1_all.deb" -> failed, now i can't dist-upgrade due to the inconsistent state of this package and also the removal of it fails. any suggestion how to clean this up? |
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| 19:05.02 | markybob | DexterF, not if you didn't use screen. always use screen on remote machines |
| 19:05.05 | babilen | DexterF: That is why you use mosh (and tmux) |
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| 19:06.44 | markybob | DexterF, it'd just be a case of screen -r and you're back like you never left |
| 19:07.08 | DexterF | markybob: yeh, didn't think of it. |
| 19:07.10 | jelly | Azrael_-: it's best to remove third party repos when doing release upgrades (this is also written in the release notes, which you really ought to read for lenny->squeeze) |
| 19:07.37 | appl6 | DexterF: neercs, reptyr, injcode |
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| 19:08.13 | jelly | Azrael_-: dpkg -l deb-multimedia-keyring|tail -n 1 |
| 19:08.21 | markybob | DexterF, i had to drive 3hrs before because i didn't use screen. i learned :P |
| 19:08.35 | greycat | haha |
| 19:08.48 | jelly | the best way to learn |
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| 19:09.31 | Azrael_- | jeadre: solved it by forcing the remove, thanks |
| 19:09.55 | teraflops | no pain no gain ... |
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| 19:10.58 | nebg | hello everyone... how do i know if i'm using the video card ? |
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| 19:11.04 | DexterF | babilen: didn't know these, thanks |
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| 19:11.14 | nebg | i ran lspci -k and saw no driver associared |
| 19:11.14 | nebg | *associated |
| 19:11.40 | nebg | how can i make a clean reinstall of nouveau and use it ? |
| 19:11.56 | babilen | DexterF: mosh is really nice if you have to deal with intermittent network connections or if you work on laptop. I close it at work with all my sessions open, arrive at home, open it and they all work. |
| 19:12.13 | mtn | nebg, are you on jessie? if so, install inxi. then run in a terminal: inxi -Gx |
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| 19:13.33 | jelly | ,v inxi |
| 19:13.34 | judd | Package: inxi on amd64 -- sid: 2.1.28-1; stretch: 2.1.28-1; jessie: 2.1.28-1 |
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| 19:17.16 | nebg | mtn, here you are |
| 19:17.17 | nebg | http://pastebin.com/AKNjNPKJ |
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| 19:17.57 | mtn | nebg, laptop? you need bumblebee for an optimus setup |
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| 19:22.13 | nebg | ok mtn thanks |
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| 19:28.03 | DexterF | appl6: will reptyr reattach process trees, too? |
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| 19:34.54 | WangDang | in pavucontrol, I can see a usb headset and a usb DAC in addition to the onboard sound card. I can't select either of the usb options, though. Stays stuck on the onboard card. my user is in audio group. I see groups pulse and pulse-access in /etc/group. Are those related to pulse audio? Could that be why I can't choose another sound output option? |
| 19:36.31 | appl6 | DexterF: don't know, sorry. |
| 19:36.32 | markybob | WangDang, is pulse part of audio group? |
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| 19:38.17 | WangDang | markybob: yes |
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| 19:39.51 | liquidstone | hey guys i wanna try debian, is the network installer enough to install debian? |
| 19:40.07 | liquidstone | or do i need to download dvd-version |
| 19:40.13 | markybob | liquidstone, generally. people sometimes get in trouble if you need wifi |
| 19:40.43 | liquidstone | markybob, that is not problem :) |
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| 19:41.03 | nebg | liquidstone, you have an ethernet cable ? |
| 19:41.08 | liquidstone | yes |
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| 19:41.45 | liquidstone | also how to make bootable usb, with what program? (using windows) |
| 19:42.39 | nebg | with windows ? hmm... i don't know... i usually use dd from windows... |
| 19:42.54 | nebg | sorry i meant dd from Gnu linux |
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| 19:42.59 | markybob | liquidstone, http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
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| 19:43.46 | markybob | !win32diskimager |
| 19:43.46 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 19:44.18 | liquidstone | thanks all |
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| 19:46.19 | jhutchins | liquidstone: Good luck! |
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| 19:46.47 | liquidstone | one more thinh |
| 19:47.04 | liquidstone | thing* which desktop should i choose? |
| 19:47.15 | liquidstone | the gnome or some else? |
| 19:47.23 | markybob | liquidstone, whatever you want. any other answer is stupid |
| 19:47.24 | jhutchins | liquidstone: Decent hardware? |
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| 19:47.39 | liquidstone | jutchins, yes |
| 19:47.57 | jhutchins | liquidstone: Gnome should be fine to start out with then. |
| 19:48.11 | jhutchins | liquidstone: You can install any/all of the others and try them out as you go along. |
| 19:49.24 | joker_89 | hi does nayone tryed cloudrino |
| 19:49.25 | joker_89 | ? |
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| 19:50.17 | markybob | liquidstone, for what it's worth, everything these days except for xfce drives me nuts |
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| 19:57.19 | DexterF | markybob: SuSE still maintains KDE3. I like it. once they stop that it'll be xfce here, too |
| 19:58.14 | DexterF | I wish tho xfce would switch to a gl composing window manager by default. wmcompton is nice but I never could get it to start with xfce |
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| 20:05.27 | Niteye | hello, is there any way to have vsync in debian jessie? i googled some but just end up on a dead end saying X11 does not support vsync, is there any alternative available in jessie?? |
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| 20:06.44 | nebg | where do i save permanent alias for my user in debian ? |
| 20:06.48 | nebg | i see no .bashrc |
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| 20:07.10 | greycat | It's a "hidden file" (because it starts with a dot), so you have to use the actual filename, or ls -a |
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| 20:08.10 | Niteye | come to think of it this is kind of primitive, you can't change the hidden attribute without changing the filename |
| 20:08.38 | greycat | It's not really an attribute in the sense of something enforced by the file system. It's just a convention used by ls and shell globs. |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | "find" for example does not pay any attention to it |
| 20:09.42 | Niteye | yes but the same is true for NTFS, files have a hidden attribuut, but its up to the application to decide whether to show them anyway or not |
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| 20:10.15 | greycat | NTFS/FAT are very different. |
| 20:11.37 | Niteye | no doubt |
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| 20:23.55 | jhutchins | Niteye: xrandr will let you tune some of your video parameters. |
| 20:24.26 | jhutchins | Niteye: Are you talking about the vertical sync on a monitor or something else? |
| 20:24.52 | Niteye | yep, vertical sync on monitor, most of the time i dont care but when i watch a movie its unbearable |
| 20:25.00 | jhutchins | Hidden files on windows are usually because microsoft doesn't trust you. |
| 20:25.26 | Niteye | and i dont microsoft hehe |
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| 20:25.33 | Niteye | so that makes us even |
| 20:25.57 | jhutchins | Niteye: Interesting. WEll, there's xvidtune, which can suggest mode lines for an xorg config file. |
| 20:26.06 | jhutchins | Niteye: xrandr can make changes on the fly. |
| 20:27.01 | Niteye | xvidtune says i will destroy my computer if i click the wrong places |
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| 20:29.32 | jhutchins | Niteye: Unlikely. Possible, but unlikely. |
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| 20:29.55 | jhutchins | Niteye: Particularly with early CRT monitors the wrong settings could burn things out. |
| 20:30.46 | greycat | I haven't had to manually enter H/V settings in X config in years. |
| 20:30.59 | jhutchins | Niteye: Most desktops have somethng for video settings, and there are xrandrtray applets for on-the-fly settings. |
| 20:31.20 | Niteye | i have the nvidia config panel, and vsync is enabled there but it has no effect |
| 20:31.26 | jhutchins | Niteye: Also, some video players let you configure things like that (for that very reason). |
| 20:31.42 | DexterF | on X11 : https://xkcd.com/963/ |
| 20:32.05 | Niteye | it should work because my monitor model is called a samsung syncmaster |
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| 20:32.31 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 20:33.04 | Niteye | hello there |
| 20:33.08 | bahax | Unable to locate package gnome-power-statistics on debian 8 :( any idea? |
| 20:33.09 | PercyB | After a new install on a multiboot device everything was ok, but grub could not be installed (boot is on a separate partition so I finished the install anyway). Now I started a livesystem, mounted the install, used --bind for proc, sys, etc., mounted the boot partition into boot and chroot into the mounted system. However I cannot update grub, because grub is not there "command not found" |
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| 20:33.57 | jhutchins | Niteye: vsync might not be the solution you're looking for. |
| 20:33.58 | PercyB | Any ideas how I could fix this so grub gets updated and I can boot into the new installed system? |
| 20:34.05 | Azrael_- | a "apt-get dist-upgrade" failed miserably at insserv. now the packages are in an inconsistent state. what is the best way to resolve this problem? |
| 20:34.30 | Azrael_- | the update was from squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:34.38 | jhutchins | Niteye: In general, you should search for solutions to the specific problem, not a way to apply a given tool as the solution. |
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| 20:34.52 | greycat | PercyB: I think it's "grub-install" or "install-grub" |
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| 20:35.03 | jhutchins | Niteye: You might be trying to figure out how to drive a nail with a screwdriver. |
| 20:35.08 | Niteye | i dont know what solution im looking for but my symptom is when i watch a movie, and the scene pans horizontally, or something moves avross the screen, i get tearing, eg. the top part is a couple frames further than the bottom part |
| 20:35.31 | PercyB | greycat Do you mean without "apt-get"? I tried both, but "command not found"... |
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| 20:35.53 | greycat | PercyB: /usr/sbin/grub-install |
| 20:36.00 | bahax | Azrael_-, http://askubuntu.com/a/170808/330205 you can try this |
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| 20:36.24 | PercyB | greycat Do you mean bind it first, and after that "grub-install"? |
| 20:36.26 | Azrael_- | bahax: unfortunately not that easy |
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| 20:38.10 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 20:38.10 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 20:38.11 | bahax | Azrael_-, is the system still bootable? |
| 20:38.29 | jhutchins | bahax: aptitude -f install? |
| 20:38.41 | Azrael_- | didn't reboot it, hoped there was an easy solution and i wouldn't have to recover from backup |
| 20:39.12 | bahax | jhutchins, yeah I used to do this a lot with a couple of other instructions but it's been years now |
| 20:39.25 | bahax | Azrael_-, so it's still on? |
| 20:39.29 | Azrael_- | yeah |
| 20:39.40 | jhutchins | Asoka_White: aptitude -f install might fix it. |
| 20:39.48 | jhutchins | bahax: (Sorry, wrong nick) |
| 20:39.58 | Asoka_White | ??? |
| 20:39.58 | bahax | jhutchins, no problem :) |
| 20:40.05 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: You might be able to just re-run the upgrade. |
| 20:40.18 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: |
| 20:40.20 | bahax | Azrael_-, yeah what's the error message? |
| 20:40.20 | Azrael_- | jhutchins: tried, but due to the errors it didn't work |
| 20:40.35 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: "horribly broken" and "didn't work" don't give us moch to go on. |
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| 20:40.56 | bahax | Azrael_-, tried apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:41.04 | Azrael_- | bahax: yeah |
| 20:41.11 | bahax | what is the error? |
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| 20:41.31 | Azrael_- | translating from german to english: there is no public key for the following key-ids and the following packages have unresolved dependencies |
| 20:42.11 | bahax | Azrael_-, I think you have sources problem |
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| 20:44.38 | bahax | Azrael_-, this is mine: http://pastebin.com/5DAPymH2 |
| 20:44.43 | Azrael_- | trying dist-upgrade with "-f" |
| 20:45.25 | Azrael_- | starting from lenny to jessie, gonna be interesting |
| 20:45.26 | bahax | Azrael_-, try checking /etc/apt/sources.list mine is working fine |
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| 20:45.35 | Azrael_- | with -f it seems to work fine again |
| 20:45.43 | bahax | good |
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| 20:46.29 | bahax | any idea about how to view battery history again in jessie? |
| 20:46.34 | bahax | anyone? |
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| 20:53.20 | Niteye | i still cant figure out how to stop video tearing, refresh rate is 60hz and there arent any others i can select, sync to vblank is enabled in nvidia xconfig aswell as high performance setting, its not hardware related as its fine in windows |
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| 20:54.12 | greycat | Are you sure your video chipset is fully supported? |
| 20:54.26 | greycat | Perhaps you need the nonfree nvidia drivers or something. |
| 20:54.40 | Niteye | yup i got the nonfree, the free drivers do not support my gpu (yet?) |
| 20:55.09 | Brigo | Niteye, is a new gpu? may be Jessie drivers are too old. |
| 20:55.17 | PercyB | greycat Sorry, I had some connectivity issues. I found "grub-install" and copied it into the mounted system I chrooted in but somehow it still gives me "command not found" after "grub-install"... |
| 20:55.41 | Niteye | not hot off the press, but very new in linux driver terms heh |
| 20:56.01 | Niteye | its a nvidia 750 gtx |
| 20:56.05 | Brigo | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 20:56.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.76-5~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 340.76-5; stretch/non-free: 340.76-5; experimental/non-free: 352.30-1 |
| 20:56.42 | Brigo | you are using 340.65, you can get 340.76 from backports |
| 20:56.45 | Niteye | 340.65 is the version i use |
| 20:57.30 | greycat | PercyB: You should not have copied anything. If the Debian file systems you mounted did not already have /usr/sbin/grub-install then they were not completely installed in the first place. |
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| 20:57.37 | Niteye | i could try installin that but ill likely end up breaking my system and if i get it working no guarentee it will fix the problem :( |
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| 20:58.09 | Brigo | Niteye, backports will not breake your system. They are intended for use new packages in stable. |
| 20:58.25 | greycat | Then *shouldn't* break your system, but they are not as well tested as stable packages. |
| 20:58.34 | greycat | So you do have to use a modicum of common sense. |
| 20:58.39 | ctmjr | Niteye: google compton tear free video there is a lot of info |
| 20:59.13 | PercyB | greycat Indeed, it was not installed at all, however I finished the install anyway as there is a separate boot partition. |
| 21:00.00 | PercyB | greycat I read about mounting the boot partition into /mnt/boot and making a grub update but now I'm stuck... |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | Since the target disks did not contain a complete Debian installation, I would have started over. |
| 21:00.22 | bahax | I installed ibam to check how long my battery lasted but not satisfied. Maybe I didn't know how to use it well |
| 21:00.49 | greycat | It's probably a lot easier than trying to figure out how to finish an incomplete install using the primitive tools available in a rescue shell. |
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| 21:01.30 | PercyB | greycat Well, the installation completed, except for grub. But I see your point, maybe a new install would fix it quickly |
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| 21:02.49 | greycat | If you're convinced that's true, then maybe copying over the grub .deb package files and installing them would have worked. |
| 21:03.02 | bahax | how to check how long my battery lasted, help please |
| 21:03.19 | bahax | on debian 8 (can't install battery-stat) |
| 21:03.29 | PercyB | greycat Sorry, I just realized that grub-install is indeed in /usr/sbin in the new install |
| 21:03.41 | Niteye | i installed compton, do i need to do anything to enable it |
| 21:04.26 | PercyB | greycat Somehow after doing "chroot" it just does not work |
| 21:05.00 | ctmjr | Niteye: you should google for a config file but to run with defaults it is compton -b |
| 21:06.04 | greycat | PercyB: *shrug* you can review /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 21:07.31 | PercyB | greycat Well, no, sorry, got confused, it was /usr/sbin, not /mnt/usr/sbin. Anyway, thanks for the hints! |
| 21:08.02 | DammitJim | can I add a group to a group? |
| 21:08.10 | greycat | no |
| 21:08.20 | DammitJim | always user to a group, right? |
| 21:08.21 | bezaban | tdn: was it an ipv6 issue? :) |
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| 21:21.30 | lorbax | Hi, I have to open some file stored in a server that I connected with via wifi |
| 21:21.41 | lorbax | how can I do? |
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| 21:26.40 | Azrael_- | lorbax: "open file"? |
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| 21:30.43 | lorbax | how "open file" ? |
| 21:31.04 | lorbax | I cannot see them |
| 21:31.15 | Azrael_- | how do you want to "see" them? |
| 21:31.29 | Azrael_- | samba, network share? anything? |
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| 21:33.34 | lorbax | maybe my question isn't well defined, but I have no idea how can I download on my machine the files that are stored on some shared folder in a server |
| 21:34.01 | Azrael_- | how is the folder "shared"? |
| 21:34.01 | lorbax | the only things that I have is a domain (I think) |
| 21:34.12 | lorbax | I don't know |
| 21:34.33 | Niteye | ill guess it is a windows share, which you can probably access by going to smb://<IP> in the address bar |
| 21:35.04 | lorbax | the manager was using windows but I do no know wich system is installed on the server |
| 21:35.47 | lorbax | ok niteye, I try with chrome |
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| 21:36.10 | lorbax | but I have to insert my IP address? |
| 21:36.22 | Niteye | chrome will probably not work, you will need to use the file manager, chrome is a webbrowser for webpages, |
| 21:36.28 | Niteye | nop, the IP address of the server you want to access |
| 21:36.41 | Niteye | or the hostname will work too if it is resolvable |
| 21:36.43 | lorbax | However, the domain given tu me is http://drzoidberg.alex.stw.uni-erlangen.de/ |
| 21:37.14 | Niteye | with http? then just put that in chrome, it will probably be some kind of portal |
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| 21:42.15 | lorbax | ok, doesn't work on chrome (with or without http://) neither in the file manager (I use thunar) |
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| 21:42.42 | lorbax | I a "not found" page at the bottom was written "Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at drzoidberg.alex.stw.uni-erlangen.de Port 80" |
| 21:42.58 | Azjo | Hi i just followed this guide to install ldap, however service apach2 service command does not work. How do i verify i have what is needed for ldap to work? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22659764/how-to-install-a-new-module-on-owncloud-backend-server |
| 21:43.09 | Azjo | Its on a debian OS btw. |
| 21:43.26 | lorbax | yes I thought |
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| 21:47.05 | teraflops | Azjo: apache is not needed to run ldap |
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| 21:47.47 | Azjo | why does it say i have to install it then? |
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| 21:48.11 | Azjo | I found out it is running anyway |
| 21:48.14 | teraflops | you can get owncloud to use ldap, just tune your filters properly |
| 21:49.12 | Azjo | it says it is correct but bind failed |
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| 21:51.34 | teraflops | Azjo: are you trying to get owncloud to authenticate against an existing ldap tree? |
| 21:51.41 | Azjo | yeah |
| 21:52.12 | teraflops | well then fix your bind credentials |
| 21:52.23 | Azjo | how? |
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| 21:52.39 | HardWall | Hello... I'm having some problems with user administration on debian... I can't seem to be able to make a user run commands using sudo... I've checked that the user is added to the sudo groups and also tried placing the user in the sudoers file. And even though the user is in the sudoers file it keeps saying "user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 21:52.43 | teraflops | and the once authenticated, is all about the proper filter setup |
| 21:52.43 | Azjo | I dont even know what im supposed to "fix" |
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| 21:53.00 | HardWall | I'm out of ideea, any suggestions? |
| 21:53.59 | teraflops | Azjo: start fixing the bind failure ... |
| 21:54.11 | Azjo | yeah.. how? |
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| 21:55.30 | lorbax | niteye any noggestions? |
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| 21:56.09 | teraflops | Azjo: I do not know, you didnt offer any eeor, log or data about the issue apart , it does not bind and the apache nonsense |
| 21:56.16 | teraflops | error* |
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| 21:57.39 | Azjo | The configuration is valid, but the Bind failed. Please check the server settings and credentials. |
| 21:59.35 | teraflops | Azjo: just check in th console via a sinple search the credentials you are using |
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| 22:02.04 | Azjo | search for what? |
| 22:02.10 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 22:03.42 | Azjo | I dont know linux commands or anything, i have no clue what you want me to do |
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| 22:04.37 | xand | no offence but why would you be setting up an ldap server if you don't know how to use *nix? |
| 22:04.38 | teraflops | Azjo: that's fixable, internet is plenty of information about ldap |
| 22:05.42 | Azjo | xand: I have a WS2012r2 running ldap |
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| 22:06.18 | Azjo | teraflops: thats like pointing to a motor and say fix that thing and voila. Gets me nowhere closer :p |
| 22:06.24 | teraflops | Azjo: you can do ldap search against a ldap tree also using -b so you do bind (user passwd) |
| 22:07.10 | teraflops | Azjo: no, the issue I see is you building a house starting by the roof |
| 22:07.51 | Azjo | well, i thought it would be easy to add this to ldap but i guess not. |
| 22:08.44 | teraflops | Azjo: no offense, as xand said |
| 22:09.15 | Azjo | Well yeah, im a windows guy, what can i say. |
| 22:09.27 | teraflops | Azjo: AD is ldap |
| 22:09.36 | Azjo | yeah which is gui mostly |
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| 22:10.18 | teraflops | Azjo: you can setup OC to authenticate against AD |
| 22:10.33 | Azjo | yeah isnt that what im trying to do right now? |
| 22:10.34 | xand | Windows is meant to be driven using powershell these days |
| 22:10.38 | xand | Windows Server :P |
| 22:11.12 | Azjo | or to be run relatively hassle free if u dont wanna learn a million commands :p |
| 22:11.42 | teraflops | Azjo: :S |
| 22:12.33 | xand | I think you need to ask an owncloud how to set it up for ldap (AD) authentication |
| 22:12.39 | teraflops | i think is the same complexity level but in other way |
| 22:12.40 | xand | *an owncloud channel |
| 22:13.32 | Azjo | yeah i just tried here hoping for a quicker answer since owncloud is kinda empty :) |
| 22:13.58 | teraflops | Azjo: the first time I setup OC + LDAP i got all i needed in the owncloud forums via web |
| 22:14.55 | Azjo | hrrm. I added ldap: to server and now i get timeouts.. |
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| 22:42.27 | Chrys0pras3 | Hey |
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| 22:44.54 | Chrys0pras3 | I want to patch a network driver using git-buildpackage, so I can do it with a neat package install. Is the there any way to do it without git cloning and compiling the intire kernel? |
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| 22:46.17 | Brigo | Chrys0pras3, better ask in debian-mentors, in oftc network. |
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| 22:47.36 | Chrys0pras3 | Thank you Brigo, I will |
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| 22:47.46 | Brigo | Chrys0pras3, np :) |
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| 22:52.20 | jack_thompson | are there plans to add xdirectfb as alternative to the freedesktop.org OS? |
| 22:55.55 | jack_thompson | are there plans to add xdirectfb as alternative to the freedesktop.org OS? |
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| 23:38.06 | serotonintuna | how do i shrink my LVM encrypted /home partition to give a lil space back to windows? |
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| 23:39.26 | amundsen | hi |
| 23:39.31 | centrx | Hello amundsen |
| 23:39.45 | centrx | serotonintuna, Does parted/gparted do LVM encrypted partitions? |
| 23:40.16 | amundsen | can anyone here see a boot splash in jessie ? |
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| 23:40.49 | amundsen | i've tried all kinds of setups with no success |
| 23:41.18 | serotonintuna | centrx good question |
| 23:41.44 | serotonintuna | if it does i guess it'd be pretty easy using that to do that? |
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| 23:41.59 | centrx | serotonintuna, yes |
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| 23:45.32 | bahax | Hi, I found out that battery-stats package isn't published in Jesssie after a lot of searching and wondering around, so what other package provide history function because I tried ibam --plot and it didn't work well |
| 23:45.51 | bahax | provides* :/ |
| 23:46.29 | bahax | https://launchpad.net/debian/jessie/+source/battery-stats |
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| 23:56.55 | bahax | I found the package in unstable sid and installed it :) |
| 23:57.23 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. After upgrading to Jessie and LibreOffice from Jessie-Backports, I lost my spell checker. Which packages should I make sure are present? I have hunspell-en-us. |
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| 23:59.09 | serotonintuna | soo gparted can't resize crypt-luks things |
| 23:59.13 | serotonintuna | what should i use instead? |
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