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| 00:06.08 | meder | i got disconnected - was it Xorg.0.log that i check for gnome crash errors? |
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| 00:09.21 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 00:09.33 | asterismo | how do i check ports for smtp are open or not? |
| 00:09.40 | asterismo | smtp and smtp/SSL |
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| 00:21.20 | azmodeus | hello there |
| 00:22.22 | _mjones | hello there |
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| 00:29.31 | azmodeus | _mjones, hey, what's up? |
| 00:30.04 | azmodeus | every channel so quiet... it could be 'cuz it is saturday evening, maybe, more or less all 'round the world :D |
| 00:31.11 | _mjones | Must be. I'm usually not here at this time. |
| 00:32.31 | _mjones | I'm porting an old 2.6.32 kernel config to 4.1.6 and there are a bunch of new options I don't know if I should select. |
| 00:33.03 | azmodeus | uhmmm, me neither, in the last few weeks I was totally offline... I have just started to study a bit, so here I am... :D but usually I am right back from work at this time... 2.32 sunday here... |
| 00:33.11 | _mjones | But recovering this embedded system will be very painful if my new kernel or initrd are faulty. |
| 00:33.32 | _mjones | The Isles, then? |
| 00:34.03 | azmodeus | anyway, this is why I am here also... because I don't understand so much and I would like to learn something... is to say that I don't really understand so well what you are talking about :) I am sorry :P |
| 00:34.05 | azmodeus | Isles? |
| 00:34.19 | _mjones | uk. |
| 00:34.35 | azmodeus | nope... +1... Mallorca, in Spain, actually! |
| 00:36.11 | _mjones | Also in utc-5. |
| 00:36.43 | _mjones | Yes, I'm trying to compile a new kernel for a tiny ARM-based machine. |
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| 00:38.08 | azmodeus | I am reading about those ARM machines, lastly... but I don't really know what they are... I am actually trying to learn something about linux, and how to use it and how it works exactly... it takes time! =) I would like to go a bit deeper, then, this is why I need this... |
| 00:38.53 | azmodeus | So, I started to use a debian based system and then I fell in love with debian itself... I decided ,then, ,that this will be the distro I will menage to handle perfectly! ahahha, maybe, someday1 |
| 00:39.15 | azmodeus | and also trying to learn this new damned keyboard >.< |
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| 00:41.01 | _mjones | You could spend a lifetime trying to learn it all. :_) |
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| 00:44.13 | azmodeus | _mjones, if I will be able to, I will do it! =) |
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| 00:45.41 | azmodeus | I know there is a lot to learn about Linux world... I am an usual Window$ user, with a bit of knowledge about linux. I used to use it in past and now I am trying to learn the really interesting things! reading questions and trying to ask myself those questions of others is a way of learning... |
| 00:46.33 | _mjones | Well Debian is a good distribution to pick. I've used more than a few. |
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| 00:54.07 | azmodeus | I was searching for one that I would enjoy and with the last release I just fell totally in love with it but, is a noob opinion, I would be falling in love with another distribution with the same graphical options :P that said a part, is that I was learning a bit more Linux using Kali (I know, a particular situation...) that is Debian based, and then I've switched to Debian as my preferred distro (right behind Kali) for this reason. I have start |
| 00:54.07 | azmodeus | ed to study linux after have started to study penetration testing |
| 00:55.12 | azmodeus | later I have also started to read paragons between distribution and my last choice fell upon Debian because of its stability and networking predisposition... (I am loving networking stuff also...) |
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| 01:39.22 | seeker63 | what is a code editor similar to vs found in wheezy |
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| 01:41.17 | themill | That question assumes people know what vs is. |
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| 01:41.48 | seeker63 | themill: true visual studio |
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| 01:42.21 | themill | visual studio is not in wheezy |
| 01:42.50 | seeker63 | themill: i know but what is in wheezy that i could use to write code |
| 01:43.11 | seeker63 | besides nano or gedit |
| 01:44.09 | themill | ah |
| 01:44.36 | _cmr_ | Vim :p |
| 01:44.39 | UnDeRsOuL | nano is not like visual studio, but if you want something more powerful than nano i would suggest vim |
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| 01:45.03 | _cmr_ | Eclipse could be an option? |
| 01:45.04 | UnDeRsOuL | vim or emacs. I use vim in particular |
| 01:45.06 | themill | monodevelop and kdevelop are probably the closest to vs; things like kate are useful too |
| 01:45.35 | seeker63 | ok thanks guys have a great rest of night day etc |
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| 01:58.47 | TheChubu | *logs out* |
| 01:58.57 | TheChubu | oops |
| 01:59.21 | TheChubu | "nano is not like visual studio" |
| 01:59.32 | TheChubu | thats so true it hurts. |
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| 01:59.46 | TheChubu | its like saying "a moustache is not a bus" |
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| 02:05.17 | seeker63 | installed kate but can not find it to open it i am using gnome desktop does kate only work in kde |
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| 02:06.44 | TheChubu | it *should* work as long as you have the KDE/Qt libs |
| 02:07.03 | TheChubu | but now that you mention it, i had it installed (without knowing) and couldn't launch it either. |
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| 02:07.41 | seeker63 | TheChubu:ok so what is a good development editor that does work to code html, javascript, jquery etc |
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| 02:08.42 | seeker63 | maybe i had netbeans at one point |
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| 02:09.23 | TheChubu | Atom? Brackets? SublimeText? |
| 02:09.43 | TheChubu | Netbeans works. Eclipse I *think* it works. IntelliJ IDEA might have something for that too. |
| 02:09.47 | seeker63 | ok are they all in wheezy distribution |
| 02:10.05 | TheChubu | nah, for Atom you just download the .deb from GitHub and dpkg it |
| 02:10.31 | TheChubu | eclipse is download->extract. Netbeans has a .sh script. IntelliJ no idea (pun half intended) |
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| 02:10.47 | seeker63 | ok ha ha got it |
| 02:11.30 | _mjones | Eh? Eclipse is in repos, along with several dozen of its closest friends. |
| 02:11.37 | _mjones | eclipse - Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE |
| 02:11.56 | TheChubu | true. isnt the one in the repo old as f.? |
| 02:12.08 | TheChubu | wheezy man |
| 02:12.11 | TheChubu | wheeeeeezy |
| 02:12.52 | TheChubu | still i preffer to download from Eclipse's site... |
| 02:13.02 | _mjones | You tell me. On jesse+testing: Version: 3.8.1-8 |
| 02:13.11 | TheChubu | yeah, very old. |
| 02:13.19 | TheChubu | 3.8 is like 4 years old. |
| 02:13.44 | TheChubu | current Eclipse is at 4.5 and very easy to "install" (as i said, extract to folder and you're ready to go) |
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| 02:13.58 | _mjones | If I wasn't in the middle of something I'd fire up my Arch machine and see what version that's at. |
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| 02:14.28 | TheChubu | besides, its a bad idea to have a single Eclipse install |
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| 02:14.45 | TheChubu | better to have different installs, each with the plugins you need |
| 02:14.51 | TheChubu | say, one for PHP dev, other for Java dev, etc. |
| 02:15.05 | _mjones | I wouldn't know. ;-) |
| 02:16.53 | seeker63 | how about bluefish |
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| 02:17.45 | _mjones | Bluefish in repo: Version: 2.2.7-2 |
| 02:18.08 | TheChubu | http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/download.html |
| 02:18.47 | TheChubu | Geany is nice |
| 02:18.56 | TheChubu | but i'd try with Atom |
| 02:19.06 | TheChubu | seriously, just download, dpkg -i atom.deb |
| 02:19.07 | TheChubu | done |
| 02:19.53 | TheChubu | its made by GitHub man. it doesnt even matters if its done in JavaScript, people still follow it, make plugins for it, and enjoy it. |
| 02:23.41 | _mjones | emacs is done in eLisp. People still follow it, use it to read their mail, keep their appointments.....oh. |
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| 02:24.41 | seeker63 | wow am i rusty -- netbeans should be in apt-get but what is command line for that |
| 02:25.39 | netsca | Does redshift help with eyestrain? |
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| 02:27.03 | _mjones | netsca: no idea, but I did see it the other day. |
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| 02:27.16 | _mjones | I mean I saw the site. I didn't see it in action. |
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| 02:27.46 | frostyfrog | Hmm... Is there a good guide for an upstream maintainer who would wish to create a debian package from their git repository? |
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| 02:28.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell frostyfrog about nmg |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell frostyfrog about mentors |
| 02:29.31 | frostyfrog | Thank you abrotman :) |
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| 02:32.28 | _mjones | frostyfrog: good for you, packaging/maintaining your own upstream. Do you plan on doing other distributions or OSes than Debian? |
| 02:35.29 | frostyfrog | _mjones: I already mainly use Archlinux, so I've got that one building nicely. I use RHEL at work and may build an RPM for there, and I'm thinking of creating a few debian based VMs to play around with :) I want my new tool to be available for me wherever I code, so I figured I'd package it. :D |
| 02:38.04 | frostyfrog | It's still in it's infant stages, but I want everything done correctly from the start as far as distribution/packaging/building goes. https://github.com/frostyfrog/Renzoku |
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| 02:43.31 | _mjones | frostyfrog: looks like a solid project directory structure you've got there. Except for being in ++, of course. ;-) |
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| 02:50.30 | frostyfrog | _mjones: Haha, thanks :) Good to know that I'm heading in the right direction. I'm still learning C/C++ and the lower level concepts (wrapping kernel calls, etc) so it's a bit rough right now, but I aim for it to be a professional quality program eventually. |
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| 02:56.26 | autodidact | ; |
| 02:56.35 | autodidact | was there some sort of big repo update |
| 02:56.46 | autodidact | (i dont really understand how that stuff is scheduled) |
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| 02:58.50 | themill | autodidact: vague questions get vague answers. What release of debian are you using? |
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| 03:06.35 | Atm0spher1c | for virtualbox what is the difference, and which do I need virtualbox-source or virtualbox-dkms? |
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| 03:17.07 | frostyfrog | Just an assumption, but virtualbox-source is the source code (or the source package) and virtualbox-dkms is the kernel module for virtualbox. (I'm mainly an Arch user, so that's why I'm assuming. I don't quite know the debian package name guidelines yet. :S ) |
| 03:17.23 | frostyfrog | Atm0spher1c: ^ Forgot to tag you on that xp |
| 03:18.27 | somiaj | frostyfrog: source is the source to compile the module against your kernel (the older method, you had to manually compile modules not included in the kernel). The -dkms package just automaties the process of compiling modules against the kernel and will do it with kernel upgrades provided you install the linux-headers package for your kernel. |
| 03:19.02 | somiaj | so they both contain the source, one just contains hooks to make it do it automatically when installing kernels with apt/dpkg |
| 03:19.18 | frostyfrog | somiaj: Ah, makes sense. So I was close. :) |
| 03:19.24 | Atm0spher1c | frostyfrog: thanks, I got it dkms is to manage kernal compilation and installation, which is what I'll use |
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| 03:26.27 | _mjones | somiaj: do you remember when dkms got reliable? Is it the same on RHEL-derived distros? I had major fits keeping kernels updated with vmware-tools installed years ago, right before they open-sourced it and the distros could push it. |
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| 03:58.52 | Uller | Hey where can I find actual debian kernel config file? I am using debian8 live |
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| 03:59.39 | dvs | Uller: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 04:00.02 | Uller | great thanks |
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| 04:08.23 | _mjones | I wish the default Debian kernel would ship with IKCONFIG_PROC so you could pull the same from /proc/config.gz ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=541489 ) |
| 04:08.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/541489 in linux-image-2.6-amd64 (closed): «linux-image-2.6-amd64: Set CONFIG_IKCONFIG and CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC to 'y' to provide access to kernel configuration via /proc inetrface»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-08-14; last modified: 2009-09-12. |
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| 04:15.41 | brunchb | hi I was just wondering if debian is considered completely free software |
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| 04:16.40 | noesc | How can I work out what process is trying to connect to a specific port? |
| 04:16.48 | brunchb | and I mean do you have complete control over debian |
| 04:17.00 | bazhang | yes you do |
| 04:17.38 | brunchb | is debian a company like ubuntu |
| 04:18.00 | noesc | brunchb: Debian is a voluntary org as far as I know. |
| 04:18.05 | bazhang | ubuntu is not a company |
| 04:18.10 | noesc | Probably registered as a non-profit or something |
| 04:18.12 | brunchb | hmm interesting |
| 04:18.16 | _mjones | noesc: a local process trying to bind to a port? Use 'lsof' |
| 04:18.18 | bazhang | and neither is really ontopic here |
| 04:18.33 | noesc | _mjones: I tried, but nothing shows up (probably using it wrong) |
| 04:18.37 | bazhang | canonical is the company |
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| 04:18.59 | brunchb | bazhang: what is the "on topic" here |
| 04:19.00 | _mjones | noesc: run it as root, grep for LISTEN |
| 04:19.14 | bazhang | brunchb, debian install issues |
| 04:19.21 | noesc | _mjones: tcpdump shows that _something_ is trying to talk to port 5555 on my lo interface. And since nothing is LISTENing on that port, the interface resets the connection |
| 04:19.42 | _mjones | qemu-syst 13824 13825 root 18u IPv6 5881670 0t0 TCP localhost:5900 (LISTEN) |
| 04:19.43 | noesc | and I am running it as root :) |
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| 04:19.59 | _mjones | noesc: something from outside? That's not a local process. ;) |
| 04:20.06 | noesc | it's not from outside |
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| 04:20.34 | noesc | I know WHAT it is, just not "where" it is =) |
| 04:20.46 | noesc | I.e I wanna know what PID |
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| 04:20.50 | _mjones | start up a listening by binding to the port with netcat or socat, then that should buy you sufficient time to spot the proc with lsod |
| 04:21.03 | _mjones | s/listening/listener/ |
| 04:21.04 | noesc | hmm, true that! |
| 04:21.08 | _mjones | nc -l -p 5555 |
| 04:22.18 | _mjones | brunchb: I would have assumed that Debian foundation issues were relatively on-topic, as long as they were about Debian and not a forum for #freesoftware or something. |
| 04:22.40 | brunchb | bazhang: how do I find the channels guidelines so I know what is appropriate to ask |
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| 04:23.33 | brunchb | _mjones: I want to know if any of your data on debian is being sold to other companies |
| 04:23.45 | brunchb | that is all |
| 04:23.58 | bazhang | its not |
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| 04:25.19 | _mjones | brunchb: no. Conclusively it is not. The default install does not and will not even contain non-free firmware, even though a number of devices require non-free firmware to be loaded at time of initialisation in order to function. |
| 04:26.38 | _mjones | Users tend to be frustrated when the firmware situation prevents them from trivially booting and installing over WiFi or similar, but the Debian foundation has taken votes and won't deviate from the principle. |
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| 04:27.14 | brunchb | _mjones: thank you, I appreciate it |
| 04:27.32 | brunchb | thats interesting |
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| 04:28.13 | frostyfrog | noesc: ss -tpln ? |
| 04:28.41 | brunchb | I guess someone is making money if they wont vote it out |
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| 04:32.17 | _mjones | brunchb: the contrary. Nobody is making money because Debian won't ship non-free firmware in the base install. |
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| 04:32.52 | _mjones | ok, technically you can posit that Canonical/Ubuntu is making money because Debian won't ship non-free firmware, but that's not what you speculated. |
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| 04:38.08 | noesc | frostyfrog: didn't know about ss, nice tool, thanks! |
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| 04:39.14 | noesc | _mjones: I've found out where the sneaky PID's are hiding (it's a program I've written myself, which I knew already) |
| 04:39.20 | noesc | Thanks everyone |
| 04:40.16 | frostyfrog | noesc: Happy to help :) |
| 04:42.22 | AttractiveAsianF | hey |
| 04:42.39 | AttractiveAsianF | does anyone have experience applying HP driver updates in debian? for a server |
| 04:43.01 | _mjones | what drivers specifically? |
| 04:43.05 | AttractiveAsianF | i was thinking i'd use their DVD driver updater, but wondering if there was another option |
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| 04:43.20 | _mjones | I prefer to avoid out-of-tree drivers whenever possible, regardless of OS. |
| 04:43.58 | _mjones | DVD driver? Do you mean firmware updates, perhaps? |
| 04:44.15 | _mjones | This is for a proliant probably? |
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| 04:46.37 | _mjones | AttractiveAsianF: can you be more specific about which drivers? |
| 04:47.19 | AttractiveAsianF | proliant DL380 G5, but i am going to put a P410 RAID controller in, because my P400 raid controller doesn't support more than 2tb because proprietary |
| 04:47.35 | AttractiveAsianF | it seems that i may need to update the firmware on the P410 once i put it in |
| 04:47.42 | AttractiveAsianF | firmware updates, yes |
| 04:47.55 | AttractiveAsianF | sorry for saying drivers. that was incorrect. |
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| 04:48.56 | _mjones | ok. DEC/Compaq used to be pretty good about making bootable optical disks for that sort of thing. |
| 04:49.14 | _mjones | Or you can likely install it through the iLO, if you have that. |
| 04:49.57 | _mjones | It's likely that you won't be going through the OS directly to install these, unless you have information that says differently. |
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| 04:56.10 | frostyfrog | Woohoo! joining #debian-mentors on debian's IRC server gave me this nice link :3 https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide :D |
| 04:56.13 | frostyfrog | reads. |
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| 05:04.37 | AttractiveAsianF | _mjones, thanks for the info. much appreciated. will look into the info you gave me. |
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| 05:10.35 | _mjones | AttractiveAsianF: I just did some websearching and confirmed that the update CDs are bootable, or the Gen8 and newer Proliants have update features built-in, and there are possibly further methods. Unfortunately they don't involve Debian, so would be off-topic for this channel. |
| 05:11.24 | AttractiveAsianF | yeah that's cool. i'll give them a try. no further help needed. my P410 hasn't arrived yet and won't for a month (i love canada) |
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| 05:53.54 | hdjjlsa | Hey guys, has anyone been able to get CryptoCat to work with IceWeasel? |
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| 05:55.11 | hdjjlsa | I guess not. |
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| 05:59.54 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 06:09.18 | john__ | https://bpaste.net/show/7f8e04575a89 |
| 06:09.25 | john__ | any suggestion how to solve this one? |
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| 06:11.16 | _mjones | john_: uninstall, reinstall? Check the journal for more-specific errors? |
| 06:11.49 | _mjones | john_: was that during an upgrade? On a non-Debian Linux I've had rsyslog errors during upgrades because one or more command-line options were no longer supported. |
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| 06:12.31 | john__ | _mjones: I tried two suggested commands to get more info |
| 06:12.43 | john__ | but I got unknown operation |
| 06:12.49 | john__ | and option not supported |
| 06:13.26 | john__ | and remove than install got me the same error |
| 06:13.33 | _mjones | You got that with the systemctl and the journalctl commands? |
| 06:14.15 | _mjones | john_: fair enough. My guess so far is still a configuration item that is no longer supported. This was an upgrade, right? |
| 06:14.31 | john__ | systemctl rsyslog.service status: Unknown operation 'rsyslog.service'. |
| 06:14.37 | john__ | yes from 7.8 -> 8 |
| 06:14.52 | john__ | upgade was successful |
| 06:15.00 | john__ | but now I'm facing issues |
| 06:15.08 | DominikB | john__, systemctl status rsyslog.service |
| 06:15.26 | _mjones | john_: ok, can you paste here the one last uncommented line from /etc/default/rsyslog ? |
| 06:16.06 | john__ | DominikB: https://bpaste.net/show/b91bea1c9758 |
| 06:16.33 | john__ | _mjones: RSYSLOGD_OPTIONS="" |
| 06:17.07 | _mjones | john_: ok, it's just starting with -n, which I know works on 8.x. The service status just shows it failing out, no diagnostics. |
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| 06:18.46 | john__ | _mjones: yes |
| 06:18.53 | _mjones | john_: here is a diagnostic that will produce a lot of output: rsyslogd -f /etc/rsyslog.conf -N 1 -d |
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| 06:20.24 | john__ | is there a way to bpaste output from command directly? |
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| 06:21.37 | _mjones | john_: yes, but it depends on what paste bucket you use. |
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| 06:22.18 | john__ | _mjones: I usually use bpaste.com |
| 06:22.59 | lesta | john__: try D |
| 06:23.03 | lesta | sorry |
| 06:23.04 | _mjones | john: this one will paste directly from the command-line: http://ix.io/ |
| 06:23.15 | _mjones | It is so choice. |
| 06:23.25 | lesta | sprunge.us |
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| 06:26.18 | john__ | _mjones: https://bpaste.net/show/165349d06557 |
| 06:26.31 | john__ | this is rsyslogd -f /etc/rsyslog.conf -N 1 -d output |
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| 06:31.19 | GIGARAMA | hi everyone just one question my printer isn't supported (canon of course) is there any possibility to print if I connect print server to the printer and print documents through network cable |
| 06:31.45 | _mjones | john_: I see nothing wrong in that output. However, my 8.x+testing system shows a bunch of debug output before the numbered lines. You don't get that? |
| 06:32.33 | _mjones | GIGARAMA: probably. If you can print raw to tcp/9100, you should be able to print with it. |
| 06:32.44 | GIGARAMA | ok thanks |
| 06:33.12 | _mjones | GIGARAMA: If the print server has more advanced functions than raw HP tcp/9100, you can most likely to get it to work also. |
| 06:34.05 | _mjones | GIGARAMA: are you going to buy a print server or make one? I'm not familiar with the aspects of the Canon that make them not supported under Linux. |
| 06:34.56 | _mjones | john_: can you check the output of 'dmesg' too? Just to make sure oom-killer isn't killing your rsyslog or something. |
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| 06:36.32 | GIGARAMA | well i want to use printer to print just documents in monospace font without graphics so i decide to try connect the printer through network cable with print server |
| 06:37.02 | shay_shay | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce/Hastebin-An-Open-Source-Alternative-to-Pastebin |
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| 06:40.45 | _mjones | john_: hold on, I think we were barking up the wrong tree. |
| 06:40.53 | _mjones | dpkg: rsyslog package processing error (--configure) |
| 06:40.53 | dpkg | _mjones: wish i knew |
| 06:41.19 | _mjones | It's erroring on "dpkg --configure rsyslog" |
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| 07:05.45 | tdn | bezaban, appears so. Not sure yet though. I need to see if it stops working agian the next few days. |
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| 07:12.16 | john__ | _mjones: yep, but I can't figure out why or how to fix it lol |
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| 07:41.56 | Chocolate_Chip | Can someone help me? I encrypted my swap space now apt-get isn't working |
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| 07:42.36 | Chocolate_Chip | Also it got really, really slow |
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| 07:44.00 | Chocolate_Chip | http://pastebin.com/UcNSGQYd |
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| 07:44.44 | Chocolate_Chip | I used cryptsetup |
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| 07:47.45 | Chocolate_Chip | Anyone here who could help me? |
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| 07:48.04 | korhojoa | you should probably wait around for a while. |
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| 07:52.13 | Chocolate_Chip | Oh. I figurd it out. The fact I made a 'SwapFile" is what broke it. It maxed out my / partition |
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| 07:59.47 | korhojoa | [1254541.038492] systemd[1]: Started ACPI event daemon. |
| 07:59.47 | korhojoa | [1254541.039564] systemd[1]: Listening on ACPID Listen Socket. |
| 07:59.47 | korhojoa | [1254541.045741] systemd[1]: Mounted /. |
| 07:59.56 | korhojoa | whoops. |
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| 08:00.47 | korhojoa | well. that's a mispaste, but anyone know why that's happening? apt-get upgrade upgraded systemd and it started spamming that into all my consoles |
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| 08:38.35 | noesc | Is there any other diagram tools available apart from Dia? |
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| 08:40.40 | DominikB | noesc, what kind of diagram you wana draw |
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| 08:43.09 | noesc | DominikB: I'm want to create a flowshart over how different parts of my program talks to each other. Ex. Client requests service from Registry, Registry responds with service provider to client. Client connects to provider... |
| 08:44.31 | DominikB | noesc, maybe you can look at yed |
| 08:45.26 | noesc | DominikB: can't find that in apt. |
| 08:45.40 | DominikB | noesc, try googgle :D |
| 08:45.52 | noesc | what's that? |
| 08:46.17 | DominikB | googl |
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| 08:46.20 | DominikB | google |
| 08:46.27 | noesc | xD Just kidding. It's sunday morning at 10:46 and I've been working for 12hrs straight. |
| 08:46.29 | DominikB | sry my keybord stucks sometimes |
| 08:47.20 | noesc | I'll check it out, thanks! (Never been friends with either DIA or Visio really) |
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| 08:51.06 | noesc | DominikB: Thanks for the suggestion, I will try it out! |
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| 09:26.17 | wh0ami | hi |
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| 09:27.03 | wh0ami | i got a problem with at reconfigure locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales it says: dpkg-query: package 'locales' is not installed and no information is available |
| 09:27.10 | wh0ami | but i cant find the way to install it |
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| 09:44.57 | An_Ony_Moose | wh0ami: it's now oldstable, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
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| 09:45.41 | wh0ami | An_Ony_Moose: my main problem now is http://paste.linux.chat/view/02b07c4a related to adding experimental repo and then remove it (just for install needed packages) |
| 09:45.44 | An_Ony_Moose | "The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year" |
| 09:46.09 | An_Ony_Moose | oldstable and experimental will NOT work. |
| 09:46.10 | wh0ami | yeah i know what old stable means |
| 09:46.28 | An_Ony_Moose | oh wait, I meant to reply to netsca , sorry |
| 09:47.43 | Haxxa | Opinion considering moving from Asus UX301la to the new Dell Chromebook - unlocking dev mode and installing debian? |
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| 09:49.29 | pfraser | Haxxa: Don't do it. Blech. Underpowered much? How much RAM does it have? (Dell website doesn't say.) |
| 09:49.45 | Haxxa | 8gb and full hd screen |
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| 09:51.05 | Haxxa | pfraser, core i5 and 8gb of ram |
| 09:51.22 | pfraser | Core i5? I'm seeing Celery N2840. |
| 09:51.36 | pfraser | Also only 4GB RAM. |
| 09:51.54 | Haxxa | pfraser, thats base config |
| 09:51.56 | pfraser | And 16GB SSD, yuck. Whereabouts are you looking to get wildly different specs? |
| 09:51.58 | pfraser | Ah. |
| 09:52.25 | pfraser | And yet, customising it doesn't let me specify anything different. |
| 09:52.43 | Haxxa | pfraser, dell offers customised versions - basically 12 hours battery core i5 8gb of ram and 256gb of ssd |
| 09:52.48 | pfraser | Got a link? |
| 09:53.16 | Haxxa | pfraser, it comes out on the 16th so you can't change anything yet |
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| 09:53.30 | pfraser | Ah, no worries. |
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| 09:54.10 | pfraser | Well, if you did decide to get one, you could at least play with the activity light - the next best passive-aggressive workplace tool next to the Blync light. |
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| 09:55.03 | Haxxa | pfraser, at $800 for core i5 solid built computer its really decent - and all the chromebooks get solid battery life from linux as they are built around it plus open source bios |
| 09:55.06 | Haxxa | (coreboot)\ |
| 09:55.51 | pfraser | I purchased one of the Samsung ARM Chromebooks when they were released. A few years ago now; don't ask me for the exact model or anything... (snow? comes to mind...) and even with a full-blown OS, the hardware sucked. |
| 09:55.56 | pfraser | Admittedly, a few years ago. |
| 09:56.12 | pfraser | But it just didn't hold a candle to something like the MacBook. |
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| 09:57.42 | Haxxa | pfraser, yer the samsung x5 series was A.) Arm B.) all plastic C).cheap - this is a totally different class - this is premium build in line with xps series with all metal bosy |
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| 09:58.10 | pfraser | Ah. I was always fond of my XPS 13. I'll have to check it out, thanks for the tip Haxxa. |
| 09:58.17 | pfraser | (If only I could walk into a Dell store and play with one...) |
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| 09:58.44 | Haxxa | pfraser, yer its basically the xps without windows lisence fee |
| 09:59.07 | Haxxa | so if you already have macbook or xps probally not worth it |
| 09:59.20 | Haxxa | btw did you use mac os x on macbook? |
| 09:59.38 | pfraser | Yep. |
| 09:59.54 | pfraser | Though, considering I'm in #debian I'll quickly follow that with "it's not the only OS I've used" |
| 10:00.12 | Haxxa | Battery life sucks on macbook with any other os |
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| 10:20.02 | bet0x | I wanted to download the "DVD" version of Debian, then i saw 3 dvd's of 4 GB each and got scared lol |
| 10:20.37 | teclo- | scared of what ? |
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| 10:21.33 | petn-randall | bet0x: You mean 8, right? |
| 10:21.43 | bet0x | ye |
| 10:21.45 | bet0x | 8.2 |
| 10:21.50 | bet0x | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:21.59 | petn-randall | bet0x: Luckily there's a handy FAQ on the side where you can find the DVDs: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:22.01 | themill | Reading the text on that page might help |
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| 10:22.13 | petn-randall | s/side/page/ |
| 10:22.49 | bet0x | petn-randall: i'm fine i prefer 3 files |
| 10:23.08 | bet0x | i do have a USB drive of 16 GB |
| 10:23.18 | bet0x | i will see if i can do a big installer! :P |
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| 10:23.40 | themill | bet0x: please read what the page says... |
| 10:23.49 | teclo- | bet0x: well, you don't need all the DVDs... |
| 10:23.52 | teclo- | *sigh* |
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| 10:24.10 | bet0x | i did read |
| 10:24.17 | teclo- | bet0x: you can for instance download only the first CD or DVD, then use repositories and apt to install what you need |
| 10:24.18 | bet0x | i have the speed and space |
| 10:24.22 | bet0x | so i will get em all |
| 10:24.23 | bet0x | :> |
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| 10:24.36 | teclo- | bet0x: yes but well, if you have the speed, |
| 10:24.46 | themill | bet0x: so what is your actual question? |
| 10:24.58 | teclo- | well what I do is usually I download and burn the first CD or DVD, boot off the CD/DVD |
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| 10:25.07 | teclo- | then install the rest with apt/aptitude |
| 10:25.27 | bet0x | themill: i didn't ask anything :> |
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| 10:25.48 | SynrG | bet0x: the place for that is #debian-offtopic, then |
| 10:25.55 | bet0x | 137.458.088 16,1M/s eta 5m 22s |
| 10:25.58 | themill | bet0x: well this is a channel for asking support questions |
| 10:26.06 | bman_ | hello, i am running the 686 bigmem kernel on wheezy trying to dist-upgrade to jessie and i am stuck at udev wanting a new kernel. there isnt a bigmem version in jessie |
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| 10:26.20 | bman_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 10:26.25 | teclo- | bet0x: perhaps have you been intoxicated by W*ndows propaganda ? |
| 10:26.25 | bman_ | what do i do |
| 10:26.58 | SynrG | bman_: i don't know what "stuck at udev wanting a new kernel" means. did you partially upgrade, reboot, and then run into trouble? |
| 10:27.04 | themill | !686-pae |
| 10:27.04 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-<bigmem> flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 10:27.12 | bet0x | teclo-: #debian-offtopic please |
| 10:28.26 | bman_ | thanks themill |
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| 10:30.00 | pikaro | I've got a .Xmodmap that defines the compose key in my home folder, but my system randomly appears to "forget" it during a single session, sometimes _while_ I'm typing. I have not been able to determine the reason or circumstance for this - any ideas? Is there some scheduled job that periodically overwrites per-user xmodmap settings with global ones? Debian Unstable, for reference. |
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| 10:31.37 | bman_ | well SynrG its telling me in the udev upgrade that it must be upgraded with the kernel |
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| 10:32.31 | bman_ | and now i know what the kernel should be its still stuck at udev in the upgrade having unmet dependencies |
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| 10:33.34 | bman_ | but im rolling on the upgrade again now |
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| 10:34.17 | bet0x | There is a list of the included software on the "DVD" version? |
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| 10:34.40 | bet0x | Also, there is a way to joi the 3 DVD's on a single BIG iso to use a USB drive? |
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| 10:43.08 | SynrG | bman_: in any case, themill gave you the answer. you would use pae-686. perhaps you never had the kernel metapackage installed? |
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| 10:43.28 | SynrG | bman_: in a "normal" upgrade, everything "just works", which is why i'm surprised it would complain |
| 10:43.47 | SynrG | bman_: if you had linux-image-<yourflavour>, it would just upgrade properly |
| 10:44.25 | SynrG | if instead you only had linux-image-<someversion>-<abi#>-<yourflavour> you might have issues |
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| 10:49.32 | SynrG | bet0x: see https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 10:49.48 | bman_ | yeeah apparently they changed the pkg name and the deps dont get it |
| 10:49.54 | bman_ | its cool though, i got it from here |
| 10:50.56 | bman_ | well until i got that kernel panic |
| 10:50.58 | bman_ | hrmm |
| 10:51.02 | SynrG | i'm pretty sure it would upgrade cleanly ... |
| 10:51.07 | SynrG | is there no transitional package? |
| 10:51.16 | bman_ | no |
| 10:51.21 | bman_ | it goes from bigmem to pae |
| 10:51.26 | bman_ | and the upgrade didnt know it |
| 10:51.28 | bet0x | SynrG: thank you. |
| 10:51.30 | SynrG | umm. |
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| 10:51.52 | SynrG | bman_: that really shouldn't happen. was there even truly bigmem in wheezy? |
| 10:52.43 | SynrG | bman_: wheezy (oldstable) (oldlibs): Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (dummy package) |
| 10:52.43 | SynrG | 3.2+46: i386 |
| 10:52.55 | SynrG | it was a transitional package only in wheezy. |
| 10:53.05 | SynrG | the time to do the transition was on the squeeze -> wheezy upgrade. |
| 10:53.09 | bman_ | this machine has been going since before squeeze |
| 10:53.13 | bman_ | upgraded the whole way |
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| 10:53.49 | SynrG | well, "i am running the bigmem kernel on wheezy" is a lie :) |
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| 10:54.16 | bman_ | it was upgraded from squeeze and still running the bigmem kernel on wheezy |
| 10:54.21 | bman_ | and it was still int he repos |
| 10:54.21 | SynrG | that's insane |
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| 10:54.29 | SynrG | in the *squeeze* repos |
| 10:54.34 | bman_ | in the wheezy ones |
| 10:54.36 | bman_ | look it up |
| 10:55.14 | SynrG | the above is the result of looking it up |
| 10:55.22 | SynrG | "dummy package" means it's not real |
| 10:56.48 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 10:56.49 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae' was found in amd64. |
| 10:56.51 | bman_ | but it never informs me to change anything |
| 10:57.05 | bman_ | it wouldnt be in amd64 |
| 10:57.10 | bman_ | its a 686 thing |
| 10:57.13 | SynrG | yeah, i know. |
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| 10:58.05 | SynrG | ,v --arch i386 linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 10:58.06 | judd | No package named '--arch' was found in i386. |
| 10:58.13 | SynrG | grr |
| 10:58.14 | bman_ | it hates us both |
| 10:58.22 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae --arch i386 |
| 10:58.23 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.68-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 |
| 10:58.26 | SynrG | no, i just can't read |
| 10:58.37 | SynrG | or rather, i can read, but can't hold a thought in my head for 10 seconds :) |
| 10:58.51 | bman_ | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-686-bigmem |
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| 10:59.09 | SynrG | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-bigmem --arch i386 |
| 10:59.11 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-bigmem' was found in i386. |
| 10:59.16 | SynrG | ^^ this is my point |
| 10:59.38 | bman_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 10:59.40 | smdrz | how to install cuda with bumblebee |
| 10:59.51 | smdrz | cuda 7.0 |
| 10:59.55 | bman_ | thats what i came from |
| 11:00.00 | SynrG | bman_: that's a dummy package too |
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| 11:00.28 | bman_ | this is all aside from the point |
| 11:00.32 | SynrG | bman_: also, it depends on linux-image-686-pae |
| 11:00.34 | bman_ | im kind of broken atm |
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| 11:00.51 | SynrG | it shouldn't have been |
| 11:01.11 | SynrG | if you had the dummy package for bigmem, it should seamlessly upgrade you |
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| 11:01.22 | SynrG | and that should've happened on the squeeze->wheezy upgrade |
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| 11:01.37 | SynrG | so back to my original assertion "i'm running bigmem" is false |
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| 11:02.45 | SynrG | hence my surprise at your statement that the upgrade was broken because of udev wanting a newer kernel. this is not a thing that happens. |
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| 11:03.03 | SynrG | not without some other breakage of your system. and i was trying to determine what that was |
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| 11:05.02 | GenteelBen | jelly laying the smackdown. |
| 11:05.14 | azswa | Hi, on Debian8 how do you disable apache2 auto startup |
| 11:05.33 | RoyK | systemctl disable <service> |
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| 11:06.24 | jelly | GenteelBen: if you don't have a support question or answer, keep it down please, or at least try to avoid needless highlights |
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| 11:07.43 | RoyK | azswa: as in systemctl disable apache2.service |
| 11:07.57 | RoyK | (or just systemctl disable apache2) |
| 11:07.59 | azswa | RoyK> Thanks, will try that |
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| 11:10.13 | lord_rob | of course seeing the number of trolls :) |
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| 11:19.28 | bman_ | cause for my kernel panic was dm-mod not being loaded and initrd not updating correctlyu |
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| 11:24.38 | premoboss | related to nane of releases od devuan: will be the fist name "Mercury"? |
| 11:24.47 | premoboss | related to name of releases od devuan: will be the fist name "Mercury"? |
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| 11:26.24 | bazhang | #debian-fork premoboss |
| 11:26.45 | premoboss | AAAH!! sorry! i post in wrong channel .-( |
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| 11:34.54 | BernhardPosselt1 | when installing ejabberd on debian, is user registration disabled by default? |
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| 11:35.36 | Shadur | Yes. |
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| 11:54.47 | g00se | This doesn't normally concern me as i use the command line but what is the generic way of setting the app that opens pdf? There seems to be no string 'pdf' in alternatives |
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| 12:14.53 | ineedyourhelp | Hello, I have a little problem with a very, very, very old computer. I'm trying to install Debian on it and after going through many trials and errors I have finally reached an installation step, however I get an error: "microcode: no support for this CPU vendor" |
| 12:15.21 | ineedyourhelp | It doesn't exit installation however I feel unsafe about it. |
| 12:15.33 | ineedyourhelp | As far as I know it's an old VIA cpu. |
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| 12:17.07 | ineedyourhelp | I'm not sure if I should feel worried about it or should I find the microcode somewhere in restricted repo or what. |
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| 12:23.11 | jaccob | apt-get purge package-name rarely works! |
| 12:24.02 | abrotman | That's a syntax error |
| 12:24.03 | jaccob | it should delete you ~/.xfce4 or ~/.mongodb directories too |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | no |
| 12:24.25 | jaccob | abrotman, hi abrotman how are you? |
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| 12:26.21 | jaccob | I plugged in a usb keyboard, and now my keyboard settings on my laptop are all messed up and I can't find the reset setting. I uninstalled and re-installed xfce4 completely but that setting didn't get reset. |
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| 12:39.29 | HardWall | hello! I'm aving some issues with running as sudo. It tells me I'm not in the sudoers file, even though I am... kinda' running out of idees what to do... anybody have any suggestions? |
| 12:40.54 | abrotman | what does the line say? |
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| 12:42.09 | azmodeus | HardWall, shouldn't you be in sudo group? |
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| 12:42.22 | abrotman | doesn't have to be |
| 12:42.22 | dontknow | hi! anyone use dillo browser here? |
| 12:42.24 | HardWall | I am... |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | dontknow: what if they do? |
| 12:42.35 | jaccob | HardWall, did you log out and back in after adding yourself to the sudo group? |
| 12:42.50 | HardWall | I have... I've even done a full restart... nothing... |
| 12:43.00 | dontknow | abrotman, i want to know how to increase scroll spreed |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | thinks that probably isn't a dillo setting |
| 12:43.16 | abrotman | HardWall: what is the sudo line? |
| 12:43.17 | HardWall | Witch is kind of wierd, it seems no setting I put in the sudoers file changes anything... |
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| 12:43.27 | dontknow | abrotman, do you use? |
| 12:43.41 | HardWall | sudo apt-get update |
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| 12:43.54 | HardWall | but it's not just one comman i've tried several... |
| 12:43.54 | abrotman | HardWall: no, in the sudoers file |
| 12:43.55 | dontknow | abrotman, i didn't see any setting about that |
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| 12:44.08 | abrotman | dontknow: I don't, but that's probably controlled by your WM/DE |
| 12:44.27 | dontknow | hmm |
| 12:44.35 | HardWall | Oh it goes... username ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 12:45.16 | abrotman | that's the entirety of your sudoers file? |
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| 12:45.54 | dontknow | abrotman, it uses something called fltk. i guess it is not gtk |
| 12:45.56 | HardWall | No, it has some default, the same specifications for the root account and for the %sudo group |
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| 12:46.22 | dontknow | abrotman, so should i focus fltk stuff instead of browser itself? |
| 12:46.47 | abrotman | dontknow: that's still not your window manager |
| 12:46.52 | HardWall | visudo -c tells me that it parses ok |
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| 12:47.40 | HardWall | calling groups tells me I am in the sudo group... |
| 12:47.47 | abrotman | HardWall: and 'whoami' matches the UID? |
| 12:47.50 | dontknow | abrotman, ok. i checked the scroll speed between gtk software and dillo browser, they are not same |
| 12:48.27 | HardWall | abrotman, yes |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | HardWall: does sudo work for root? |
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| 12:49.26 | HardWall | no, it does not work for root, it says i'm not in the sudoers file.. |
| 12:49.42 | HardWall | But I do have access to do anything else without sudo... |
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| 12:50.08 | abrotman | HardWall: right .. so, it's not just for your UID |
| 12:50.17 | hexnewbie | Scroll speed is up to the application. The mouse produces button 4 and 5 clicks, it's up to the app how to interpret them. You can change them in SeaMonkey and Iceweasel, dunno about Dillo |
| 12:50.22 | abrotman | dontknow: http://lists.dillo.org/pipermail/dillo-dev/2011-September/009020.html |
| 12:51.14 | hexnewbie | (Technically, the mouse produces additional axes, which X translates into clicks, but that's beyond the point) |
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| 12:51.40 | dontknow | abrotman, how did you find it? |
| 12:51.54 | abrotman | dontknow: Google |
| 12:52.11 | HardWall | abrotman, yep... and I'm out of ideeas... I added the "Defaults root_sudo" line to the sudoers file, hoping I can then run sudo for root, but the same result |
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| 12:52.27 | dontknow | abrotman, thanks for googling for me :p |
| 12:52.35 | dontknow | i use duckduckgo |
| 12:52.38 | abrotman | HardWall: I'd try to revert to the original file .. |
| 12:52.53 | chozha | lmgtfy.com |
| 12:52.54 | hexnewbie | dontknow: You can try Startpage (!s in DuckDuckGo) |
| 12:53.17 | dontknow | hexnewbie, next time |
| 12:53.32 | HardWall | abrotman, ok i'll do that, I should run the boot cd for that and have a sudoers.backup on it right? |
| 12:53.59 | abrotman | HardWall: you can probably extract it from the sudo package |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell HardWall about confnew |
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| 12:55.23 | hexnewbie | dontknow: By the way, I see the link recommends imwheel, which is kinda broken and unmaintained in Debian - in particular, it may mess with the mouse wheel support in other apps. If you do run into problems with that, I could offer a patch :) |
| 12:56.29 | dontknow | hexnewbie, you mean i need to recompile it? |
| 12:56.48 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Not really. The problem mainly manifests itself when using extra buttons, not wheels, so you probably won't need it. |
| 12:57.16 | hexnewbie | dontknow: I am just saying to ping me if you do run into problems :) |
| 12:57.32 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ok .thanks. i prefer solving it without using additional software tough |
| 12:57.58 | dontknow | noted |
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| 12:58.37 | abrotman | dontknow: alternately, you could email the same list, referencxe that thread, ask if the instructions are still the same |
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| 13:00.33 | dontknow | hexnewbie, lol it is not in debian repo |
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| 13:01.51 | hexnewbie | dontknow: What? It is: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/imwheel :) |
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| 13:02.51 | dontknow | hexnewbie, sorry i misspelled it as "imwhell" instead of "imwheel" |
| 13:04.03 | HardWall | abrotman, I tried running apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install sudo ; it successfull reinstalled, but the file oppened with visudo did not change its contents at all... |
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| 13:08.28 | shay | Debian 8.2 fresh install, xfce+lightdm, tried several different kernels just in case, but my intel HD is not kicking in, low resolution, monitors not recognized etc. could someone assist what else i could check? |
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| 13:09.17 | shay | lspci | grep VGA shows 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 1912 (rev 06) |
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| 13:10.08 | joker_89 | hi , anyone can help me with samba? |
| 13:10.27 | joker_89 | i dont understand this wiki page session setup failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_SERVER_STATE |
| 13:10.37 | joker_89 | sorry this one https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_Active_Directory_Domain_Controller |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | HardWall: you have to move the old file aside probably |
| 13:11.12 | abrotman | well, no, that's not right .. |
| 13:11.15 | abrotman | but just try it |
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| 13:13.07 | dontknow | abrotman, hexnewbie thanks a lot. it works :D |
| 13:14.42 | shay | i am seeing alot of "no input driver specificed" in the Xorg.0.log as well |
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| 13:22.17 | HardWall | abrotman, well, I removed it, the bad news is that the sudoers file it gerenated anew is empty... the good news is that by writing my user specifications again, i can now run sudo on my user... I just lack the oter options previously present in the sudoers. |
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| 13:22.57 | abrotman | HardWall: weird .. but okay |
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| 13:25.25 | omid8bimo | dpkg: ipt |
| 13:25.25 | dpkg | omid8bimo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 13:26.24 | shay | anyone please? |
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| 13:29.34 | dontknow | shay, what intel processor |
| 13:29.54 | shay | i5 6600k |
| 13:29.58 | shay | intel hd 530 |
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| 13:30.50 | shay | under ubuntu 14.04/15.04 it works fine, but i wanted to change distro so i installed debian 8.2 |
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| 13:31.16 | dontknow | shay, that cpu is new one. i don't know if it requires blob in kernel |
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| 13:31.40 | dontknow | i heard the new intel cpus require blob |
| 13:31.49 | shay | i had to change grub to include i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 in ubuntu, for everything to be smooth |
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| 13:32.14 | shay | here, when i change to it, i just get a black screen after restarting and that's it |
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| 13:32.37 | dontknow | shay, try installing newer kernel from backports |
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| 13:33.34 | dontknow | shay, that is all i can say |
| 13:33.40 | dontknow | sorry |
| 13:33.59 | markybob | shay tried intel-microcode ? |
| 13:34.07 | shay | i am on 4.2 right the same one i used on ubuntu |
| 13:34.27 | shay | markybob, have no idea what that is |
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| 13:34.43 | markybob | shay apt-get install it. cpu firmware basically |
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| 13:35.21 | smdrz | shay backports is essential |
| 13:35.35 | smdrz | for skylake |
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| 13:39.16 | smdrz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:41.26 | shay | smdrz, can it be that the newest backport kernel is 3.16? at least on https://packages.debian.org |
| 13:42.18 | shay | ok might have found newer actually |
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| 13:46.13 | joker_89 | what does means? Looping detected inside krb5_get_in_tkt |
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| 13:47.52 | Dan34 | hi, I have more linux Os on my pc and sometimes ubuntu or opensuse install their own personalized grub with their own os coming first. What is that command to reinstall the debian jessie grub? |
| 13:48.36 | dontknow | Dan34, grub-install /dev/sda |
| 13:49.29 | Dan34 | I need to have root access to do it, right? |
| 13:49.52 | dontknow | Dan34, yes |
| 13:50.04 | Dan34 | dontknow, thanks |
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| 13:50.34 | dontknow | Dan34, "sda" section may change. depends on your hdd |
| 13:50.56 | dontknow | check it with "lsblk" |
| 13:51.58 | dontknow | Dan34, after "grub-install /dev/sda" use "update-grub" command |
| 13:52.07 | dontknow | for convenience |
| 13:52.48 | Dan34 | i think that sda is correct, check it out please https://paste.debian.net/311546/ |
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| 13:53.39 | dontknow | Dan34, yes, it is correct |
| 13:53.45 | Dan34 | thanks |
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| 13:57.02 | smdrz | adding boot option through efibootmgr, never succeded |
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| 13:58.18 | Dan34 | /dev/sda.. dev stay for what? development maybe? |
| 13:58.37 | smdrz | been following this blog for adding secure boot option, stuck able to adding boot entry |
| 13:58.38 | smdrz | https://burtness.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/secure-boot-with-debian-testing/ |
| 13:58.43 | dvs | Dan34: device |
| 13:59.04 | Dan34 | get it |
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| 14:05.00 | dontknow | i am ditching iceweasel/firefox because of their invasive appliances |
| 14:05.15 | dontknow | trying dillo browser |
| 14:06.20 | dontknow | it is very privacy minded and can show pictures |
| 14:07.11 | dontknow | so far so good :D |
| 14:07.22 | g00se | dontknow: have they got *more* invasive of late? |
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| 14:07.55 | emilio | should udp 22 port be open for ssh normal operation? I tried to transfer some file in a windows laptop from my linux box using filezilla and it gets connection timeout, however from this same windows i can do ssh from putty. I have only tcp 22 port open |
| 14:08.10 | abrotman | emilio: nope |
| 14:08.22 | emilio | thanks abrotman |
| 14:08.34 | dontknow | g00se, it is obvious. they serve ads with tiles, adds pocket, or other bloats no one uses |
| 14:08.35 | emilio | so, im still missing the problem |
| 14:09.05 | g00se | I haven't noticed. I ad-block |
| 14:09.26 | asterismo | what version of openssl is shipped in debian 8 jessie? |
| 14:09.32 | asterismo | does it support tls v1.2? |
| 14:09.48 | dontknow | g00se, ad-block doesn't block tile ads |
| 14:10.06 | g00se | Personally i haven't noticed them |
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| 14:10.50 | g00se | I'd be interested to see a page with tile ads on it |
| 14:10.55 | dontknow | g00se, it might be inactive in iceweasel tough |
| 14:11.11 | vamps | asterismo: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/openssl (1.0.1 supports tls v1.2 |
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| 14:14.03 | asterismo | thanks vamps |
| 14:14.18 | dontknow | g00se, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787174 |
| 14:14.20 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/787174 in iceweasel (forwarded): «remove unblockable new tab ads»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-29; last modified: 2015-06-06. |
| 14:14.26 | northstar | qupzilla is a also nice alternative browser. |
| 14:15.22 | dontknow | northstar, debian doesn't suggest webkit based browsers instead of chromium |
| 14:15.27 | dontknow | on jessie |
| 14:15.40 | dontknow | because it can't get security updates |
| 14:15.45 | Shadowcrit | Quick Question, why isn't sudo install by default? |
| 14:15.50 | dontknow | except chromium |
| 14:15.58 | northstar | ah, i see, dontknow |
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| 14:17.33 | northstar | Shadowcrit, that one trapped me too, when i installed from debian-live-8.x.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso. but i don't think they support that here. |
| 14:18.05 | northstar | so i just reinstalled and made a root password. |
| 14:18.15 | g00se | interesting |
| 14:18.25 | Shadowcrit | Yea, I installed debian 8.2 netinstall |
| 14:18.29 | Shadowcrit | and was not included. |
| 14:19.49 | dontknow | g00se, it is worse if you use latest iceweasel. because they always adds new "features" and maintainers can't follow it or don't bother until someone reports it as bug |
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| 14:21.59 | dontknow | migrating to dillo is not so hard if you use iceweasel with noscript and requestpolicy |
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| 14:22.50 | northstar | i might try dillo then, since i'm used to noscript/ublock/privacybadger |
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| 14:25.07 | dontknow | northstar, that combination doesn't block third party site requests. you should use umatrix |
| 14:25.09 | hexnewbie | Dillo displays like half of the web sites in existence. |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | I wouldn't really call dillo a functional browser anymore .. |
| 14:26.39 | dontknow | hexnewbie, it shows almost same as noscript+requestpolicy, but it is a little bit scrambled |
| 14:26.59 | hexnewbie | It doesn't even display my own web sites properly, and the only thing I've "overused" is CSS, really |
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| 14:27.20 | dontknow | hexnewbie, send me link please |
| 14:27.33 | abrotman | hexnewbie: are you still on geocities?! :) |
| 14:27.37 | hexnewbie | dontknow: It's a private site displaying the status of my personal services. :) |
| 14:27.46 | dontknow | lol ok |
| 14:27.59 | northstar | dontknow, sigh, i've been avoiding the complexities of umatrix, but i think you're right. |
| 14:28.00 | hexnewbie | dontknow: But I placed them side by side using display: inline-block, and Dillo apparently doesn't like that much.... |
| 14:28.22 | hexnewbie | abrotman: People used CSS on Geocities? I didn't :) |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | hexnewbie: it was a joke about the age of dillo more than about geocities |
| 14:29.24 | g00se | qupzilla? |
| 14:30.04 | northstar | qupzilla is a very nice functional browser, but apparently does not receive debian security updates. |
| 14:30.50 | hexnewbie | Yet another lightweight webkit browser? Every time I try one of those I discover it's not actually lightweight |
| 14:31.35 | abrotman | northstar: does it still use Gecko? |
| 14:32.39 | northstar | abrotman, "qtwebkit" is all i know. |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | doesn't find webkit or gecko to be lightweight |
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| 14:35.17 | northstar | i wouldn't even be looking for an alternative, but those "suggested websites" (advertisements) on new iceweasel tabs are really annoying. |
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| 14:36.40 | dontknow | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
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| 14:37.35 | dontknow | "Therefore, browsers built upon the webkit, qtwebkit and khtml engines are included in Jessie, but not covered by security support. These browsers should not be used against untrusted websites." |
| 14:38.33 | themill | northstar: why not just disable those advertising tiles then? |
| 14:39.17 | northstar | themill, i admit i haven't looked into how to do that yet. |
| 14:40.18 | dontknow | themill, along with lots of about:config stuff |
| 14:40.36 | themill | lots of vague handwaving, you mean? |
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| 14:41.16 | hexnewbie | I've never seen those advertisement tiles |
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| 14:45.42 | dontknow | themill, like this https://github.com/pyllyukko/user.js/blob/master/user.js |
| 14:45.46 | dontknow | just an example |
| 14:46.08 | northstar | ok, simple. just change the option from 'classic' to 'blank'. problem solved. |
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| 14:47.13 | dontknow | but it is not just about ad service through tiles. if you look at the user.js that i linked you may get some idea |
| 14:48.01 | dontknow | that user.js is just an example and i don't think it covers all the issues |
| 14:48.28 | dontknow | or i can say it is correct |
| 14:48.35 | dontknow | nor |
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| 14:55.03 | JoelJo | Hi, I am trying to delete a file from dolphin but it says "the trash has reached its maximum size, clean up manually" the trash is empty and can't find an option to delete it directly without move it into the trashcan, what to do? |
| 14:56.07 | woshty | Is there hardware acceleration for vp8 in stable? |
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| 14:57.40 | RoyK | woshty: decoding or encoding? guess it depends on the application - the OS can't do acceleration alone |
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| 15:00.37 | dontknow | woshty, i don't think vp8 hw accel. exist let alone stable |
| 15:02.42 | woshty | decoding .. thx |
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| 15:03.54 | MazB | I got a little problem |
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| 15:04.43 | MazB | http://p.maz.rocks/paste/55f59091c11d1 << The problem |
| 15:05.57 | JoelJo | Hi, I use Jessie with KDE, I am trying to delete a file from dolphin but it says "the trash has reached its maximum size, clean up manually" the trash is empty and can't find an option to delete it directly without move it into the trashcan, what to do? |
| 15:06.06 | abrotman | MazB: don't use dotdeb, not supported here |
| 15:06.13 | MazB | Uhg |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MazB about dotdeb |
| 15:06.40 | MazB | Oké |
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| 15:07.44 | MazB | [17:07:04] <MazB> Okie |
| 15:07.44 | MazB | [17:07:04] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, okie is someone from Oklahoma, usually of rustic stock. If you mean OK, just say it. |
| 15:07.44 | MazB | [17:07:37] <MazB> OkieDokie |
| 15:07.44 | MazB | [17:07:37] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 15:07.47 | MazB | Hihi |
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| 15:10.47 | BuFF | hi, folks, for some reason i can't login to LDAP server, i'm getting ""Permission denied, Please try again" |
| 15:10.56 | BuFF | any ideas how to solve this? |
| 15:13.20 | JoelJo | there's no expert to help |
| 15:14.00 | dontknow | JoelJo, ctrl+alt+del |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | BuFF: what is i nthe logs from the ldap server? |
| 15:14.23 | abrotman | dontknow: that won't do anything |
| 15:14.41 | abrotman | JoelJo: how big is the Trash directory? |
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| 15:15.14 | dontknow | JoelJo, sorry shift+del |
| 15:15.29 | markybob | JoelJo, you can always try #kde |
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| 15:15.48 | JoelJo | abrotman, I have no idea of how much is big the trashcan |
| 15:16.02 | dontknow | JoelJo, doesn't shift + del work? |
| 15:16.18 | dontknow | it is for removing directly |
| 15:16.51 | JoelJo | shift+del worked yes! |
| 15:17.20 | dontknow | JoelJo, of course it worked. it is expert command :P |
| 15:17.29 | JoelJo | why happened that? the file was just 35mega |
| 15:17.46 | JoelJo | the trashcan maybe has problems? |
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| 15:19.27 | dontknow | JoelJo, do you have enough empty space on disk? |
| 15:19.40 | JoelJo | mmm i think so.. |
| 15:19.40 | dontknow | or is it full |
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| 15:20.44 | JoelJo | there is space.. i have deleted a movie of 1 Gb yesterday so.. |
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| 15:22.24 | JoelJo | dontknow, abrotman I have 8 Giga free |
| 15:22.43 | dontknow | JoelJo, ok. but your trash can is full right? |
| 15:23.00 | JoelJo | dontknow, nope, it is completely empty |
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| 15:23.50 | JoelJo | dontknow, and it was empty before also |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | JoelJo: tried rebooting? |
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| 15:26.28 | MazB | abrotman btw |
| 15:26.41 | MazB | its not dotdeb he just can't overwrite it |
| 15:27.28 | JoelJo | abrotman, no maybe I should... |
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| 15:28.55 | MazB | Abd btw abrotman, apt-get remove php5-cli && apt-get -f install |
| 15:29.15 | MazB | For the next time :D |
| 15:29.27 | abrotman | MazB: I still won't support it :) |
| 15:29.35 | MazB | Aha |
| 15:29.37 | MazB | How old are u? |
| 15:29.44 | MazB | So u aint for helping here? |
| 15:29.47 | markybob | MazB, seriously? |
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| 15:30.03 | MazB | In my eyes a package is a package |
| 15:30.13 | MazB | markybob, love u? |
| 15:30.25 | markybob | MazB, well you're wrong. and you're talking to an admin in that tone? |
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| 15:30.43 | MazB | Like I know who is a admin or aint a admin |
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| 15:31.17 | MazB | Onderscheid |
| 15:31.19 | MazB | w8 |
| 15:31.52 | MazB | markybob, what is the difference betweet you and him? |
| 15:31.56 | abrotman | MazB: I told you, dotdeb isn't supported here. |
| 15:32.01 | MazB | Both = humans |
| 15:32.08 | MazB | I know u said dat |
| 15:32.15 | abrotman | Right ..let's question my age .. |
| 15:32.21 | MazB | And sorry for my to try to ask some help for it abrotman |
| 15:32.32 | MazB | :Z |
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| 15:32.38 | abrotman | MazB: Good luck in the future |
| 15:32.42 | MazB | me* |
| 15:32.45 | MazB | Well |
| 15:33.06 | MazB | Thq! |
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| 15:34.06 | Shadowcrit | Whats the command to use all users? |
| 15:34.14 | Shadowcrit | to see all users* |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | w |
| 15:34.28 | Shadowcrit | w? |
| 15:34.40 | Shadowcrit | lol w is a command! :P |
| 15:34.48 | Shadowcrit | is that working users? |
| 15:35.03 | Shadowcrit | nvm man w sovled that for me. |
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| 15:35.28 | Shadowcrit | But, I am looking for all the users on the system. like is there a default http user? |
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| 15:36.43 | markybob | Shadowcrit, http is usually www-data. cat /etc/group and cat /etc/shadow |
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| 15:37.11 | abrotman | Shadowcrit: man getent |
| 15:38.58 | Shadowcrit | hmm. So this was my train of thought. I wanted to install nginx, create or use http user, have all content stored in /srv/http |
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| 15:39.06 | BuFF | abrotman: http://p.defau.lt/?B8jWtKe8ZQvqGvipMxjgyw, i guess "getent passwd" works fine because i see my users in /etc/passwd |
| 15:39.12 | Shadowcrit | also make /srv/http http user's home dir |
| 15:39.17 | Shadowcrit | is this abnormal? |
| 15:39.38 | BuFF | abrotman: i followed these guides http://www.unixmen.com/install-and-configure-openldap-in-ubuntu-15-04-and-debian-8/ & http://www.unixmen.com/configure-linux-clients-to-authenticate-using-openldap/ |
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| 15:39.51 | MazB | abrotman, http://p.maz.rocks/paste/55f598cec6807 |
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| 15:48.13 | zhl | hello. is this an official debÃan forum? - http://forums.debian.net/ if not, can you give me propper adress please? |
| 15:48.19 | joker_89 | hi, what i am doing wrong with ths command? setfacl -m g:"domain admins":rwx /srv/samba/Demo/ |
| 15:48.24 | joker_89 | it says wrong character 3 after -m |
| 15:48.44 | joker_89 | on "domain admins" |
| 15:48.50 | joker_89 | why? |
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| 16:09.31 | hit_ | Hi guys, every time I start my system, the sound volume is set to 100%, How can I make it something lower? |
| 16:09.53 | hit_ | Im using Debian 8 and my motherboard is H61M-K |
| 16:10.08 | talin_ | hit_: have you lowered the sound with something like alsa-mixer? |
| 16:10.26 | hit_ | yep, but when I restart its again at 100% |
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| 16:11.52 | SHOTbyGUN | hit_ tried using pavucontrol ? |
| 16:12.34 | joker_89 | how can i set CONFIG_EXT4_FS_SECURITY ? |
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| 16:13.18 | valdyn | hit_: you need to install the alsa-utils package |
| 16:14.00 | joker_89 | sorry, config_ext4_fs_xattr |
| 16:14.03 | joker_89 | i dont have it |
| 16:14.05 | hit_ | valdyn: already installed. SHOTbyGUN: ok i'll reboot and try |
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| 16:14.46 | jelly | joker_89: which debian release are you using and which kernel? |
| 16:14.48 | dontknow | joker_89, do you compile kernel? |
| 16:15.07 | joker_89 | i dont compile it |
| 16:15.13 | joker_89 | the current one |
| 16:15.18 | joker_89 | i have installed it yesterday |
| 16:15.21 | dontknow | joker_89, it looks like it is kernel option |
| 16:15.21 | joker_89 | from spansih mirror |
| 16:15.29 | joker_89 | how can i set it? |
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| 16:16.00 | jelly | joker_89: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 16:16.05 | dontknow | joker_89, you need to apply correct patches for correct kernel and compile it with that option enabled |
| 16:16.18 | joker_89 | Linux DEBIAN 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3 (2015-08-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:16.33 | x86_64 | Pfffff |
| 16:16.35 | bzed | joker_89: CONFIG_EXT4_FS_SECURITY is enabled in your kernel, real /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 16:16.38 | bzed | *read |
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| 16:16.57 | mint | ._. |
| 16:17.00 | joker_89 | ? |
| 16:17.01 | bzed | joker_89: and it also supports acl, you just need acl as mount option |
| 16:17.18 | joker_89 | i have read that on ext4 is not necessary to specify it |
| 16:17.24 | joker_89 | only ext3 |
| 16:17.26 | hit_ | Great, looks the pavucontrol thing did it. Thanks guys. |
| 16:17.47 | bzed | !acl |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | somebody said acl was Access Control List. http://acl.bestbits.at/ http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 16:17.53 | jelly | joker_89: that config option was removed a while back. |
| 16:17.54 | joker_89 | I mean CONFIG_EXT4_FS_XATTR |
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| 16:18.09 | bzed | joker_89: what now? |
| 16:18.29 | bzed | joker_89: xattrs are supported by your ext4, too, use xattr as mount option |
| 16:18.35 | joker_89 | OK |
| 16:18.37 | jelly | joker_89: the functionality now can't be disabled, it's always present. Why do you think you need it? |
| 16:18.37 | joker_89 | ok |
| 16:18.41 | joker_89 | i need to inlcude acl? |
| 16:18.45 | bzed | joker_89: and read man mount |
| 16:18.59 | joker_89 | well, i need it to share a partiton using samba |
| 16:19.09 | joker_89 | i was reading this wiki page https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Operating_system_requirements/File_system_support |
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| 16:19.56 | bzed | joker_89: why are you asking ext3 related questions for ext4 then? |
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| 16:20.32 | bzed | joker_89: just use it, be happy. |
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| 16:23.15 | lbevanda | hello |
| 16:23.27 | lbevanda | i need some help with one debian box please |
| 16:23.39 | joker_89 | [bzed] |
| 16:23.41 | lbevanda | syslog stopped updating log files |
| 16:23.46 | joker_89 | i am asking ext4 realted questions |
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| 16:24.29 | lbevanda | and i tried to install "apt-get install inetutils-syslogd" |
| 16:24.49 | lbevanda | and apt-get tried to go to ubuntu-update site??? |
| 16:25.11 | lbevanda | i checked the sources.list and there are ubuntu update sites entered ther |
| 16:25.45 | lbevanda | cat /etc/debian_version says it's wheezy/sid |
| 16:26.36 | lbevanda | how is it possible that debian has ubuntu update sites? |
| 16:26.57 | bzed | joker_89: and we all tell you: don't ask, just use it, its all fine. |
| 16:27.02 | _mjones | lbevanda: I might be off here, but wheezy/sid should be an 'unstable' box that hasn't been updated in some time, I think. |
| 16:27.08 | Waxhead | lbevanda: are you using httpredir.debian.org in your sources list? |
| 16:27.44 | lbevanda | _mjones: you are right, this is an old box that wasn't updated |
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| 16:27.59 | lbevanda | Waxhead: unfortunately I just got login to this box |
| 16:28.21 | lbevanda | I was suprised by this ubuntu update sites on debian box |
| 16:28.44 | Waxhead | lbevanda: alright , sorry came to late to see the entire conversation and was to lazy to read all you wrote... :) |
| 16:28.55 | joker_89 | my main problem is that i cannot execut this command: setfacl -m g:"domain admins":rwx /srv/samba/MyFolder |
| 16:29.23 | joker_89 | it says: setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 3 |
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| 16:30.14 | lbevanda | unfortunately, someone was deleting log files from /var/log, and runing logrotate after that |
| 16:30.17 | lbevanda | as root user |
| 16:30.49 | lbevanda | and rebooed the machine, and when logs weren't recreated |
| 16:30.58 | lbevanda | then they gave me login |
| 16:31.22 | _mjones | joker_89: I seem to recall doing similar in the past with syntax similar to Domain^Admins . That might have been for sudo, but it might also put you on the right path. |
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| 16:31.39 | joker_89 | what? |
| 16:31.41 | lbevanda | at first I saw that there isnt' sysklogd service, so i tried installing inetutils-syslogd |
| 16:31.53 | joker_89 | right path? |
| 16:31.56 | joker_89 | what do you mean |
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| 16:32.47 | lbevanda | so, my main problem now is that I can't install syslogd on wheezy because I don't have correct sources.list file |
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| 16:35.20 | g00se | joker_89: you have a group name containing spaces? |
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| 16:35.57 | joker_89 | yes |
| 16:36.01 | joker_89 | its from Samba |
| 16:36.09 | joker_89 | on my domain |
| 16:36.17 | joker_89 | SAMDOM domain |
| 16:36.32 | g00se | So it would be in /etc/group ? |
| 16:36.52 | _mjones | lbevanda: fixing the sources.list is quite easy, but I also suggest deciding if you want to stabilise the box. If so, I suggest going from sid/unstable to 'jessie' and letting the update iron out a bunch of the unstable elements. |
| 16:36.54 | joker_89 | no |
| 16:37.17 | g00se | Isn't setfacl expecting something that IS? |
| 16:37.19 | joker_89 | its from my samba domain |
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| 16:37.59 | _mjones | g00se: you can use groups that are available from the nameservices. |
| 16:38.11 | joker_89 | but how can i add it? |
| 16:38.14 | joker_89 | [_mjones] |
| 16:38.15 | _mjones | joker_89: this machine is using winbind for AD? Or which version of Samba, Samba 4? |
| 16:38.21 | g00se | Ah |
| 16:38.21 | joker_89 | samba 4 |
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| 16:39.10 | joker_89 | I hve tried $ sudo setfacl -m g:MYDOMAIN\\"Domain Admins":rwx ./test_directory/ |
| 16:39.21 | _mjones | joker_89: good, ok. I'm not familiar with Samba 4. All I can add is that in the past, my shop's AD setup required us to use the syntax 'Domain^Admins' in sudo, and it showed up when checking groups and so forth. |
| 16:39.38 | lbevanda | _mjones: debian_version says it's wheezy/sid, and debian sources.list generator asks me if I want wheezy - stable or sid - unstable sources.list file? |
| 16:39.40 | _mjones | joker_89: I don't recall ever needing to use those groups for xattrs. |
| 16:39.43 | joker_89 | bwith th e^ char? |
| 16:40.01 | g00se | Anyway, it's easy to reproduce that error - just use a group that's not in /etc/group |
| 16:40.06 | joker_89 | what means xattr? |
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| 16:40.42 | _mjones | lbevanda: you can go with wheezy which is 7.x, currently 7.9 and oldstable, or jessie which is 8.x, currently 8.2 and stable, or sid/unstable which is very beta obviously. |
| 16:41.01 | _mjones | joker_89: extended attributes. |
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| 16:41.32 | _mjones | joker_89: extra permissions and other bits on disk that aren't displayed as part of the traditional rwxrwxrwx permissions matrix. |
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| 16:42.08 | joker_89 | it seeams that acl is not working |
| 16:42.16 | lbevanda | _mjones: I tried using sources.list from this answer: ** http://superuser.com/questions/695400/debian-apt-get-doesnt-find-any-package ** but they don't worm for my box |
| 16:42.20 | joker_89 | for sama users |
| 16:42.26 | joker_89 | only for my linxuu users |
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| 16:43.01 | lbevanda | _mjones: i'd try to install syslogd from wheezy packages |
| 16:43.54 | _mjones | lbevanda: then just pick wheezy in sources.list. Use http://httpredir.debian.org/debian for the URL |
| 16:44.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell lbevanda about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:44.29 | _mjones | lbevanda: I don't want to find or paste a complete sources.list right this second, but if your connectivity is working, getting sources.list working should be quite easy |
| 16:44.30 | jelly | lbevanda: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say on your system? |
| 16:45.01 | lbevanda | wheezy/sid |
| 16:45.15 | xand | joker_89: type "getent group" to see ones you can use... |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | lbevanda: oh dear |
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| 16:45.50 | joker_89 | it doesnt appears my domain groups |
| 16:45.56 | lbevanda | jelly: why? :-) |
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| 16:46.06 | _mjones | jelly: previously he said it was wheezy/sid, which is one significant sign about this box. He's also mentioned having ubuntu sources in sources.list, which implies someone previously was trying to do some hybrid thing. |
| 16:46.12 | jelly | lbevanda: that means you have an installation of wheezy while it still was in "testing" phase |
| 16:46.33 | jelly | lbevanda: what does "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n 1" say? |
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| 16:47.01 | jelly | _mjones: or it might be an ubuntu system. |
| 16:47.35 | lbevanda | jelly: i don't believe it's ubuntu |
| 16:47.49 | jelly | version of libc6, please |
| 16:47.51 | _mjones | jelly: you're right, I had totally neglected that possibility. |
| 16:48.11 | _mjones | Actually ubuntu would explain wheezy/sid better than most alternatives. |
| 16:48.18 | jelly | lbevanda: in fact, "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt | tail -n 3" |
| 16:48.19 | lbevanda | dear god |
| 16:48.30 | _mjones | patients always lie? ;) |
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| 16:48.36 | lbevanda | jelly: just a sec, please |
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| 16:49.13 | lbevanda | ii apt 0.7.20.2+lenny1 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 16:49.13 | lbevanda | ii dpkg 1.14.29 Debian package management system |
| 16:49.14 | lbevanda | ii libc6 2.13-21 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 16:49.32 | lbevanda | sorry for multiline |
| 16:49.39 | jelly | lbevanda: that's a huge mess. |
| 16:49.50 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 16:49.52 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u6; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u1; sid: 2.19-19; stretch: 2.19-19; experimental: 2.21-0experimental1 |
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| 16:50.16 | demonii | trying to compile sysvinit, and getting this: |
| 16:50.21 | jelly | lbevanda: libc6 suggests early wheezy, but that apt version is horribly old |
| 16:50.39 | lbevanda | jelly: dear god what have I got myself into |
| 16:50.51 | _mjones | lbevanda,jelly: box has been horribly neglected. |
| 16:50.53 | demonii | sulogin.c:(.text.startup+0x19c): undefined reference to `crypt' |
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| 16:51.06 | demonii | sorry for the flood |
| 16:51.09 | demonii | any clues? |
| 16:51.12 | jelly | lbevanda: you have a system with components from lenny and wheezy (while it was testing) |
| 16:51.47 | lbevanda | jelly: OMG, is there any way I can install syslogd and just save it for a while till I setup new box? |
| 16:51.48 | jelly | demonii: did you install build-deps for sysvinit? Why are you doing this? Which debian release? |
| 16:51.53 | _mjones | lbevanda: if it makes you feel better, not too long ago I inherited a RH 9 install from 2001 that was running production that none of the original devs would help me migrate. |
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| 16:52.33 | demonii | debian wheezy, installed build-deps, trying to change the behaviour of init on raspbian |
| 16:52.37 | lbevanda | _mjones: that helps a little, but I was just trying to help a friend to survive through night with his mail server |
| 16:52.39 | jelly | lbevanda: I'd probably try using lenny sources for the time being, then see if installation of rsyslog or sysklogd works |
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| 16:52.51 | jelly | lbevanda: read /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 16:52.54 | _mjones | lbevanda: if your connectivity is good, fixing sources.list and getting stuff installed will take less than 5 minutes. |
| 16:53.15 | jelly | breaking the system further can take less than 5 minutes, too |
| 16:53.15 | lbevanda | jelly: thanks, I'll try with lenny sources.list |
| 16:53.26 | lbevanda | :-) |
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| 16:54.05 | jelly | demonii: #raspbian is the right channel to ask questions, then. Assuming you're building natively, |
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| 16:55.41 | jelly | lbevanda: if you choose sysklogd, you'll probably want to install klogd package as well |
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| 16:56.49 | lbevanda | jelly: klogd is allready installed |
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| 16:57.58 | jelly | lbevanda: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" after replacing the current /etc/apt/sources.list with lenny sources, if you want a sanity check |
| 16:59.22 | lbevanda | jelly: ok, I'll do that |
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| 17:02.21 | lbevanda | jelly: http://pastebin.com/gzeKkXcU |
| 17:02.48 | jelly | lbevanda: erm, do an "apt-get update" after editing |
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| 17:03.26 | lbevanda | jelly: i'm trying, it's waiting, i think it cant connect to archive.debian.org |
| 17:03.54 | jelly | heh |
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| 17:07.23 | lbevanda | jelly: perhaps I made a mistake because I edited one file that forces apt-get to use ipv6 instead ipv4 |
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| 17:07.38 | lbevanda | i'll revert it and try again |
| 17:08.01 | jelly | what else have you edited? |
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| 17:10.38 | lbevanda | gai.conf |
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| 17:10.58 | lbevanda | to use ipv6 - when apt-get update didn't work |
| 17:11.04 | lbevanda | I'll revert it |
| 17:11.49 | _mjones | You don't want to mess with gai.conf. ;) |
| 17:11.53 | Dagger | erm... if apt-get is reporting connection errors to v6 addresses, that usually means that it's trying *v4* first |
| 17:12.15 | lbevanda | no, 0% [Connecting to archive.debian.org] |
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| 17:12.36 | lbevanda | still no luck, I used lenny sources from dpkg user on this channel |
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| 17:12.40 | _mjones | You could bypass the rfc6724 rules, which could result in picking v6 over v4, but there's not many good reasons outside of experimentation where you'd want to do that. |
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| 17:13.10 | jelly | lbevanda: ping archive.debian.org work? |
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| 17:13.49 | lbevanda | jelly: pretty good question, the answer is NO :-( |
| 17:13.52 | lbevanda | dear god |
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| 17:14.00 | ZitZ | hi, on boot, i would like to create a new cgroup, and give chown it over to my own unprivileged user. Where would I do such a thing? |
| 17:14.20 | jelly | fix your resolver first, then |
| 17:14.42 | jelly | lbevanda: verify the contents of /etc/resolv.conf make sense |
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| 17:14.46 | Dagger | or check /etc/hosts |
| 17:15.11 | Dagger | and yeah, generally touching gai.conf is a bad idea |
| 17:15.38 | lbevanda | Dagger: i reverted gai.conf to it's original state |
| 17:15.56 | Dagger | the only reasons I can think of for doing that are a) you're on 6to4/Teredo and want to prefer v6, or b) you want to prefer v4 to some specific remote site (without relying on /etc/hosts, since that has the risk of going out of date) |
| 17:16.13 | errorea | just did an apt-get autoremove and this system just killed so much of what is still in heavy use.. funny |
| 17:16.36 | errorea | fucking computers all the time.. |
| 17:16.46 | lbevanda | /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts seem valid |
| 17:17.02 | joker_89 | what does means? To use the advanced features of Samba, it has to be compiled with ACL support (e. g. RHEL requires the libacl-devel to be installed, when compiling) |
| 17:17.59 | lbevanda | is it OK to add 8.8.8.8 to resolve.conf just to be sure? |
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| 17:18.47 | _mjones | Dagger: the rfc6724 (nee 3484) rules already deprecated Teredo and friends. |
| 17:19.15 | jelly | lbevanda: probably can't make things any worse |
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| 17:19.21 | Dagger | _mjones: not deprecated, but the default rules prefer v4 over 6to4/Teredo |
| 17:19.30 | _mjones | Dagger: rfc6555 ("Happy Eyeballs"), which needs to be done per-app, normally handles any other bother about preferences or reachability |
| 17:19.31 | Dagger | and gai.conf is how you change that, if you want to |
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| 17:19.56 | _mjones | Dagger: I know, I've been working with this recently. |
| 17:20.19 | errorea | I dont have the time to troubleshoot this but if anyone knows why debian (apt) thinks it can autoremove 80% of applications I heavily use, feel free to whisper me, i will read later... Will probably just set up the system completely new now. fuck productivity... |
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| 17:20.37 | _mjones | Dagger: for comparison, musl libc hardcodes the 6724 rules (there is no gai.conf) because it's not really a knob that should be twiddled. |
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| 17:21.48 | Dagger | _mjones: it's a knob that should be twiddleable though, even though it should be left at the defaults most of the time |
| 17:22.00 | erroreaawya | ah yeah, of course I cant unzip, because its autoremoved >_< sorry, will stop nagging now |
| 17:22.07 | lbevanda | ping 8.8.8.8 goes well, but ping google.com doesn't... I added 8.8.8.8 as nameserver in resolve.conf but no luck |
| 17:22.16 | lbevanda | I'll enter IP addresses in sources.list |
| 17:22.31 | Dagger | lbevanda: I think you have bigger problems than broken apt-get |
| 17:22.43 | jelly | lbevanda: that may not work, virtualhosts and all |
| 17:22.56 | jelly | lbevanda: strace getent hosts google.com |
| 17:22.58 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:22.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:23.25 | jelly | lbevanda: (does "getent hosts google.com" work?) |
| 17:23.51 | lbevanda | jelly: output is to big, should I pastebin it? |
| 17:24.16 | jelly | yes. see above ^^ -- avoid pastebin.com if possible |
| 17:24.20 | _mjones | Dagger: not sure I agree. I can see how gai.conf can be used as one method to use infrastructure to work around pesky problems. But 6555 should be doing a lot of the heavy lifting, and after many years of using infrastructure to work around policy, business or app problems, I think doing so is most often a mistake. |
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| 17:24.53 | _mjones | Dagger: I don't plan to be bitten by lack of gai.conf in musl libc, but we'll see. |
| 17:24.56 | lbevanda | jelly: thanks, here it is: http://pastie.org/10417349 |
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| 17:26.07 | _mjones | <3 strace. Strace is my huckleberry. |
| 17:27.15 | Dagger | _mjones: the point is that the administrator should be able to make the call on whether v4 or v6 is prefered for sorting DNS results, even though the defaults are generally the right thing to use |
| 17:27.17 | jelly | lbevanda: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("80.71.144.4")}, # doesn't look like 8.8.8.8 |
| 17:27.30 | Dagger | case in point being if you're using 6to4/Teredo but want to prefer v6 anyway |
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| 17:28.02 | lbevanda | jelly: http://pastie.org/10417358 |
| 17:28.22 | jelly | lbevanda: yeah well. |
| 17:28.23 | lbevanda | jelly: I addedd 8.8.8.8 next to old nameservers that were there |
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| 17:28.45 | jelly | leave just the public one, see how that works |
| 17:28.50 | lbevanda | ok |
| 17:29.03 | _mjones | Dagger: the old and new RFC rules already define that behaviour. And again, 6555 smooths over any remaining issues, modulus possibility of tiny hardcoded pref for v6 like IOS9 just added iirc. |
| 17:29.12 | jelly | lbevanda: use "getent hosts google.com" to verify the resolver works |
| 17:29.34 | jelly | _mjones, Dagger: move this to #debian-offtopic or get a room, keep this channel for tech support |
| 17:29.54 | lbevanda | jelly: i left only the 8.8.8.8 and doesn't work |
| 17:30.03 | lbevanda | should i restart dns or something? |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | jelly: that IP is a mail server apparently? |
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| 17:30.15 | lbevanda | abrotman: yes |
| 17:30.23 | jelly | lbevanda: does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? |
| 17:30.29 | lbevanda | jelly_ yes |
| 17:30.46 | _mjones | 6to4 and Teredo and friends were some of many good ideas, but demonstrate you can't _rely_upon_ most optional network services because far too many networks are too incompetent or too mismotivated to provide them. There's a lesson there for wifi and the end-to-end principle, but we're already too far from channel charter. |
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| 17:31.16 | _mjones | lbevanda: on a network that blocks unauthorised DNS resolution? |
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| 17:31.38 | lbevanda | _mjones: I'm not sure, but it could be |
| 17:32.23 | lbevanda | how about a quick fix, I enter the IP of arhive.debian.org in sources.list? |
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| 17:32.34 | abrotman | archive hopefully |
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| 17:32.44 | jelly | lbevanda: oh well. Add "130.89.148.13 archive.debian.org" to /etc/hosts and redo an "apt-get update" |
| 17:32.44 | lbevanda | abrotman: yes |
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| 17:33.08 | jelly | lbevanda: don't put the ip into sources.list directly. |
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| 17:33.30 | lbevanda | jelly: I don't see anything else as solution right now |
| 17:33.41 | jelly | blinks |
| 17:33.49 | jelly | lbevanda: Add "130.89.148.13 archive.debian.org" to /etc/hosts and redo an "apt-get update" |
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| 17:34.08 | lbevanda | jelly: I'm not familiar with that syntayx |
| 17:34.20 | lbevanda | should that be first line, or? |
| 17:34.45 | jelly | lbevanda: no, it doesn't matter which line it is. Put it at the end. |
| 17:35.21 | lbevanda | E: Type '130.89.148.13' is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:35.28 | jelly | lbevanda: then verify "getent hosts archive.debian.org" finds it, and then do "apt-get update" |
| 17:35.46 | jelly | lbevanda: /etc/hosts |
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| 17:36.01 | lbevanda | jelly: yes, I put it in sources... sorry |
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| 17:38.07 | lbevanda | 0% [Connecting to archive.debian.org (130.89.148.13)] :-( |
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| 17:38.21 | _mjones | lbevanda: putting IPs directly in URLs is unreliable because of http 1.1 -- "virtual hosts". |
| 17:38.22 | lbevanda | dear god, this box is cursed |
| 17:38.41 | lbevanda | i put it in hosts file |
| 17:38.47 | lbevanda | still no luck |
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| 17:39.21 | badjoras | Zoddo: ping |
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| 17:39.48 | Zoddo | ... |
| 17:39.51 | jelly | lbevanda: does "getent hosts archive.debian.org" now return that IP? |
| 17:39.58 | jelly | oh, it does. |
| 17:40.20 | lbevanda | jelly: no it doesn't |
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| 17:40.29 | jelly | <lbevanda> 0% [Connecting to archive.debian.org (130.89.148.13)] :-( |
| 17:40.33 | jelly | yes, it does |
| 17:40.47 | lbevanda | jelly: it returned it after 20sec |
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| 17:41.15 | jelly | lbevanda: you have to fix the network connectivity issues, now |
| 17:41.32 | lbevanda | jelly: http://pastie.org/10417385 |
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| 17:42.33 | jelly | lbevanda: yes. those are networking issues. might want to verify there're no local firewall rules, run iptables-save |
| 17:42.39 | dontknow | i added testing source repo and apt-get update. "apt-get source dillo" tell me there is no source package for dillo |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | lbevanda: do you have another computer to test with? |
| 17:43.07 | dontknow | i also tried it with different mirror |
| 17:43.10 | abrotman | dontknow: do you have any deb-src lines ? |
| 17:43.15 | jelly | dontknow: be VERY careful to add a deb-src line, not a deb line |
| 17:43.20 | lbevanda | abrotman: I can ask the network guy, he can provide another machine for testing |
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| 17:43.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dontknow about deb-src |
| 17:43.36 | _mjones | firewalls have turned into a religion that hurt as much as they help, anymore. |
| 17:43.56 | dontknow | abrotman, jelly yes it starts with deb-src line |
| 17:44.07 | jelly | dontknow: did you run "apt-get update" after adding it? |
| 17:44.09 | dontknow | i can get other package's sources |
| 17:44.14 | lbevanda | jelly: http://pastie.org/10417394 |
| 17:44.20 | jelly | ,v dillo |
| 17:44.20 | judd | Package: dillo on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-2; jessie: 3.0.4-2+b1; stretch: 3.0.5-1; sid: 3.0.5-1 |
| 17:44.20 | dontknow | jelly, yes! |
| 17:44.28 | dontknow | very interesting |
| 17:44.48 | jelly | dontknow: pastebin the output of "apt-cache showsrc libc6 dillo" |
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| 17:45.56 | lbevanda | jelly: I can't ping 130.89.148.13 |
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| 17:46.06 | lbevanda | jelly: ping 8.8.8.8 works |
| 17:46.15 | jelly | finds -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 64738 -j ACCEPT amusing |
| 17:46.28 | dontknow | jelly, i can see it lists Version: 3.0.5-1 dillo |
| 17:46.37 | lbevanda | jelly: ssh is on 64738 |
| 17:47.11 | jelly | previous admin must have owned a Commodore |
| 17:47.25 | lbevanda | :-) |
| 17:47.46 | lbevanda | dear god, I would pay money to have contact of previous admin |
| 17:48.20 | lbevanda | guy just left, and 2 days after this box became hunted by ghosts |
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| 17:49.53 | dontknow | jelly, WTF? |
| 17:49.56 | lbevanda | it seems I can ping everything instead 130.89.148.137 |
| 17:50.20 | dontknow | i can install other package's sources |
| 17:50.53 | jelly | lbevanda: you can also try one of 206.12.19.126 193.62.202.28 |
| 17:50.56 | lbevanda | dontknow: jelly was refering to my port: http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/s/sys64738.htm |
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| 17:51.42 | dontknow | jelly, the output of your command is long |
| 17:52.00 | dontknow | what are you trying to figure out |
| 17:52.13 | jelly | dontknow: that's why I asked you to pastebin it |
| 17:52.26 | meder | how can I debug my X crashing? |
| 17:52.39 | meder | from wheezy -> jessie upgrade |
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| 17:52.50 | meder | i got mentions to check /var/log but which log file do I check? |
| 17:52.54 | meder | i'm not sure how to look for it |
| 17:53.31 | jelly | meder: /var/log/Xorg.0.log for a start |
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| 17:54.06 | dontknow | jelly, https://paste.debian.net/311565/ |
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| 17:54.39 | meder | jelly: that only has 400 lines, hm |
| 17:54.41 | meder | is it recent? |
| 17:54.57 | meder | i dont see stuff pertaining to crashing but i dont konw how to read it. btw, i also have bumbleblee |
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| 17:55.39 | jelly | meder: uh, the file is on your end. Check the timestamp to see if it's recent |
| 17:56.19 | meder | yeah sept 13, hm |
| 17:56.36 | meder | but i dont see logs pertaining to the last crash, like yest |
| 17:56.41 | meder | would it help pasting it? |
| 17:57.00 | lbevanda | jelly: I can ping the new IP address you provided, I added it hosts as archive.debian.org, but still no luck, if you can please see this pastie: http://pastie.org/10417416 |
| 17:57.52 | meder | http://pastie.org/private/daqd7bewwdjsuh7yu9llg |
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| 17:57.57 | meder | maybe line 149 seems relevant |
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| 17:58.24 | meder | but maybe it was some other type of crash. when it happens, it goes to this screen with "error occurred" blabla, and there's only a logout button. |
| 17:58.47 | dontknow | could someone try to get source with "apt-get source dillo" from testing or unstable please? if it starts download, just hit ctrl+c and cacel it |
| 17:59.13 | Dagger | lbevanda: try disabling the firewall temporarily (`iptables -I OUTPUT -j ACCEPT`) |
| 17:59.15 | dontknow | i can't get the source this way |
| 18:00.01 | dontknow | jelly, have you looked it? |
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| 18:01.19 | lbevanda | jelly: no luck after disabling iptables |
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| 18:02.26 | jelly | lbevanda: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main" works for me with that IP in /etc/hosts (ingoring the missing F42584E6 lenny release apt key) |
| 18:02.48 | jelly | dontknow: I see one version of dillo available in showsrc |
| 18:03.04 | jelly | ,v dillo |
| 18:03.05 | judd | Package: dillo on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-2; jessie: 3.0.4-2+b1; stretch: 3.0.5-1; sid: 3.0.5-1 |
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| 18:03.18 | dontknow | jelly, so? |
| 18:03.20 | jelly | and it matches the above for stretch and sid |
| 18:03.42 | jelly | apt-get source should be able to fetch it |
| 18:04.00 | dontknow | yes! but it doesn't |
| 18:04.25 | lbevanda | jelly: I found the trailing backslash after debian/ , removed it but still no luck |
| 18:04.46 | jelly | lbevanda: yeah, that doesn't matter, apt works with or without that / |
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| 18:05.20 | jelly | dontknow: did you show the full output of "apt-get source dillo" ? |
| 18:06.28 | dontknow | jelly, apt-get source dillo says; "there is no 3.0.4-2 version of dillo" and "there is no dillo source package" |
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| 18:07.04 | dontknow | jelly, i translated it from my language |
| 18:07.15 | jelly | dontknow: er... do you have any pinning in place or Default-Release in apt.conf ? |
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| 18:07.33 | jelly | dontknow: what about an explicit "apt-get source dillo=3.0.5-1" |
| 18:07.39 | lbevanda | jelly: I'm stupid, but ping archive.debian.org works, and apt-get update doesn't |
| 18:07.50 | dontknow | jelly, i have never edit apt.conf |
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| 18:08.12 | lbevanda | can I download syslogd package manualy and install it? |
| 18:08.17 | jelly | lbevanda: yes. |
| 18:08.26 | dontknow | jelly, that works! |
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| 18:09.17 | dontknow | jelly, thanks. but why didn't it work with just dillo? i only have unstable source repo activated |
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| 18:10.19 | _mjones | lbevanda: ping uses icmp protocol, but http is TCP protocol. If you wanted you could probe with tcptraceroute or nc (netcat). |
| 18:10.21 | jelly | dontknow: I don't know, maybe you have pinning or apt config in place. Maybe the behaviour of apt-get source has changed. |
| 18:11.03 | lbevanda | error opening device eth2: eth2: getsockopt: Protocol not available |
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| 18:11.42 | jelly | lbevanda: get sysklogd and klogd packages version 1.5-5 for your architecture from http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysklogd/ |
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| 18:12.35 | lbevanda | jelly: klogd is already installed |
| 18:13.11 | jelly | lbevanda: make sure the version matches |
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| 18:13.19 | lbevanda | jelly: ok |
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| 18:14.36 | lbevanda | jelly: klogd is 1.5.0 and on the link you provided there isn't sysklogd 1.5.0 |
| 18:14.58 | jelly | then get both and install them using a single dpkg -i command |
| 18:15.04 | lbevanda | ok |
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| 18:16.13 | jelly | 1.5.0 looks wrong. |
| 18:17.04 | lbevanda | I'll try to download 1.5.5 for both of them, if I can, because if I can tcp to archive.debian.org I don't think I'll be able to download them |
| 18:17.15 | lbevanda | *can't |
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| 18:19.30 | lbevanda | jelly: I can't wget http://206.12.19.126/debian/pool/main/s/sysklogd/klogd_1.5-5_i386.deb |
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| 18:19.59 | joshumax | The gcc 5 transition in sid is trying to blow up everything... My eyes... I've, I've never seen so much blood in my life |
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| 18:20.09 | joker_89 | how can install gnutls? |
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| 18:20.41 | abrotman | joker_89: in what? |
| 18:20.50 | joker_89 | i need it to complie samba |
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| 18:21.11 | abrotman | joker_89: that doesn't answer the question |
| 18:21.18 | joker_89 | in debian |
| 18:21.23 | abrotman | Jessie? |
| 18:21.26 | joker_89 | yes |
| 18:21.27 | _mjones | joshumax: afaik, the new competition from alternate compilers and alternate libcs is inspiring some bug-finding and bug-fixing that was heretofore considered to be comfortable legacy compatibility. So this is actually good progress. |
| 18:21.29 | joker_89 | jessie |
| 18:21.44 | abrotman | joker_89: so what's actually the problem? |
| 18:21.52 | joker_89 | i want to complie samba |
| 18:21.53 | joker_89 | but says |
| 18:22.03 | abrotman | joker_89: install the gnutls -dev package |
| 18:22.04 | dvs | why? |
| 18:22.07 | joker_89 | requires GnuTLS (eg libgnutls-dev, gnutls-devel) |
| 18:22.13 | joker_89 | it says package not found |
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| 18:22.36 | abrotman | joker_89: apt-cache -- search libgnutls -dev |
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| 18:23.14 | abrotman | joker_89: sorry, apt-cache -- search gnutls -dev |
| 18:23.45 | joker_89 | and then? |
| 18:24.04 | abrotman | and then stare blankly at the screen? |
| 18:24.25 | jelly | lbevanda: well clearly you'll have to download it from some other machine, then upload it to your broken networking system |
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| 18:25.13 | jelly | lbevanda: which ssh client are you using? |
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| 18:25.32 | lbevanda | openssh |
| 18:25.55 | joker_89 | [abrotman] adn then? |
| 18:26.01 | jelly | lbevanda: download on the local machine and use scp or sftp |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | and then stare blankly at the screen? |
| 18:26.33 | lbevanda | jelly: can I install it from apt-cache |
| 18:26.50 | jelly | lbevanda: no, you'll have to install them using dpkg -i file1.deb file2.deb |
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| 18:28.04 | lbevanda | jelly: can I find klogd.deb and sysklogd.deb in cache and the reinstall them using dpkg |
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| 18:29.07 | jelly | lbevanda: since you only just now fixed your sources.list to point to lenny, it's not likely you'll have the correct versions in apt's cache |
| 18:29.18 | lbevanda | jelly: ok |
| 18:29.27 | lbevanda | i'll try to sftp it |
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| 18:30.09 | jelly | lbevanda: installing random versions from wheezy or whatever is in cache might just break the system further |
| 18:30.28 | lbevanda | ok |
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| 18:33.12 | joker_89 | aChecking for gnutls >= 3.0.0s : not found |
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| 18:35.42 | jelly | joker_89: even with installed -dev package? |
| 18:35.59 | joker_89 | yes |
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| 18:36.03 | joker_89 | whcih package? |
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| 18:36.29 | linuxthefish | can i uninstall network manager and dhcpd? |
| 18:36.31 | jelly | joker_89: the one you found using "apt-cache -- search gnutls -dev" and installed |
| 18:36.43 | joker_89 | there are many |
| 18:36.45 | joker_89 | not only one |
| 18:36.49 | linuxthefish | i'm using /etc/network/interfaces for config, but DHCP keeps starting on eth0 |
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| 18:36.59 | abrotman | he chose the stare blankly method |
| 18:37.06 | jelly | joker_89: use "apt-cache show packagename" to see which one is the right one |
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| 18:37.41 | socomm | linuxthefish: As long as you're root you can do anyting. |
| 18:37.41 | joker_89 | what? |
| 18:37.46 | jelly | joker_89: it probably has gnutls and dev in the name, and not much else. Maybe numbers. Maybe lib |
| 18:37.54 | joker_89 | i have installed this one libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
| 18:38.06 | joker_89 | but is not this |
| 18:38.09 | jelly | joker_89: what does its description say? |
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| 18:38.23 | joker_89 | files and documentation |
| 18:38.31 | jelly | is that all it says? |
| 18:38.33 | linuxthefish | socomm, will it still work? what's the package for dhcp client called? |
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| 18:39.00 | joker_89 | what does means? libghc-gnutls-dev - bindings for GNU TLS |
| 18:39.29 | jelly | joker_89: now use "apt-cache show libghc-gnutls-dev" to see the long description |
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| 18:40.18 | jelly | joker_89: Description-en: bindings for GNU TLS -- This library provides Haskell bindings for gnutls. # Samba in not written in Haskell, so you probably don't need this |
| 18:40.25 | joker_89 | lol |
| 18:40.30 | joker_89 | so difficult to compile samba |
| 18:40.43 | joker_89 | i want ACL support for Active directory domain controller |
| 18:40.46 | socomm | linuxthefish: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/equivalent-of-rpm-qf-command/ |
| 18:40.47 | joker_89 | and it says taht i need to compile it |
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| 18:41.09 | linuxthefish | i don't know what the dhcp command is sorry |
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| 18:41.20 | jelly | joker_89: have you confirmed samba 4 in debian doesn't have that feature already? |
| 18:41.54 | socomm | linuxthefish: dhclient |
| 18:42.01 | joker_89 | no |
| 18:42.07 | linuxthefish | thanks! |
| 18:42.08 | socomm | linuxthefish: isc-dhcp-client is the package. |
| 18:42.08 | joker_89 | but i am trying to add |
| 18:42.14 | linuxthefish | cheers |
| 18:42.16 | joker_89 | acl rights to samba domain groups |
| 18:42.18 | joker_89 | and it doesnt work |
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| 18:42.49 | abrotman | joker_89: that didn't answer his question |
| 18:42.58 | joker_89 | how can i check it |
| 18:42.58 | joker_89 | ? |
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| 18:49.02 | socomm | joker_89: You know that there is a samba channel on this network. |
| 18:49.05 | jelly | joker_89: hm, I don't know but maybe the people in #samba can tell you how to check |
| 18:49.15 | joker_89 | ye |
| 18:49.17 | joker_89 | yes |
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| 18:54.54 | joker_89 | this channel is dead |
| 18:55.07 | amicuscuriae | how to run a .jar file? |
| 18:55.09 | amicuscuriae | I ma here joker_89 |
| 18:55.44 | jelly | amicuscuriae: install java, then run "java -jar foo.jar" |
| 18:55.48 | jelly | !install java |
| 18:55.48 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 18:56.17 | jelly | amicuscuriae: in this case you need the JRE, so install openjdk-7-jre |
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| 18:57.43 | amicuscuriae | jelly, don't we have Java 8? openjdk-8? |
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| 18:58.16 | joker_89 | sorry i was typing in the incorrect channel amicuscuriae xd |
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| 18:59.59 | disappointment | My router kicked me out :C Did you guys get my question? |
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| 19:02.26 | _mjones | Yes, openjdk 8 is current, and surely 6 must be officially deprecated by now. I think the doc should have an update. |
| 19:02.47 | _mjones | Actually I heard something about 9. But upstream ceased patching 7 a few months ago, if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 19:07.08 | _mjones | So, JDK upstream is in early access. OpenJDK is on it, and their timeline looks to me like we'll have usable releases starting in 1H2016, possibly 1Q2016. |
| 19:07.43 | _mjones | revised: So, JDK _9_ upstream is in early access. OpenJDK is on it, and their timeline looks to me like we'll have usable _openJDK_9_ releases starting in 1H2016, possibly 1Q2016. |
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| 19:09.25 | lbevanda | jelly: thanks for all your help, I'm quiting on this box... I feel like total idiot, can't even login to proftpd |
| 19:09.34 | lbevanda | good night to everyone |
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| 19:17.00 | amicuscuriae | jelly, I am done installing backports now getting openjdk-8-jre |
| 19:17.21 | amicuscuriae | Now I want to know if anyone of you tried Linux 4 and it worked fine from backports? |
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| 19:23.17 | byt3 | hi all, need a little help. How can i force GDM login to just appear on my first monitor (in a dual monitor setup)? |
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| 19:24.19 | byt3 | i have a login background that fits perfectly on my first monitor. However, when i have both monitor turned on, the background-size property from the gnome-shell.css forces the wallpaper to scale on both monitors. Is there a way to force it only on the first monitor? |
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| 19:28.05 | g00se | byt3: probably a question better aimed at Gnome devs |
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| 19:28.36 | amicuscuriae | guys how to install the latest kernel from backports? |
| 19:28.52 | byt3 | thanks g00se ;) |
| 19:28.57 | _mjones | amicuscuriae: I'm running 4 on jessie. |
| 19:29.00 | Stummi | amcorreia, by just doing it? What goes wrong if you try it? |
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| 19:29.44 | _mjones | amicuscuriae: I switched my sources.list from jessie to stretch (currently stretch is the testing release) |
| 19:30.09 | Stummi | _mjones, thats not backporting you just updated your debian to testing |
| 19:31.06 | _mjones | amicuscuriae: then I installed the linux-image for 4, but I can't quite find the name of the metapackage |
| 19:31.16 | amicuscuriae | _mjones, you did not use backports then |
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| 19:31.40 | _mjones | Stummi: ok. I wasn't using backports, then. |
| 19:31.47 | amicuscuriae | _mjones, the issue is.. we have two of them in Backports bpo1 and bpo2 |
| 19:31.49 | amicuscuriae | what is that? |
| 19:33.34 | amicuscuriae | linux-image-4.1.0-0.bpo.1/2-amd64 |
| 19:33.38 | piratmajor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.47 | amicuscuriae | What is this difference between 1 and 2 bpo? |
| 19:33.48 | piratmajor | doh |
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| 19:36.07 | _mjones | amicuscuriae: I don't know the difference between bpos. #2 is likey later than #1. I'd be tempted to install 1 and find out if 'upgrade' wanted to replace it with 2. |
| 19:36.43 | amicuscuriae | lol |
| 19:36.50 | amicuscuriae | ok _mjones I would do that and try |
| 19:37.38 | Stummi | amicuscuriae, no, just install the linux-image-amd64 metapackage |
| 19:38.03 | bman_ | hey i have a server that i upgrades to jessie, but now it locks up right after i see the login prompt, i can type for about 1 second and then nothing |
| 19:39.34 | _mjones | bman_ what if you don't type? Put a continuous ping on it as you boot it up and see. |
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| 19:39.51 | Stummi | bpo.1 and bpo.2 seem to be identical, and the metapackge depends on bpo.2 |
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| 19:42.28 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 19:42.28 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 19:42.38 | jelly | amicuscuriae: ^^ is the difference |
| 19:43.26 | amicuscuriae | ok |
| 19:43.33 | amicuscuriae | thanks jelly and Stummi |
| 19:43.56 | amicuscuriae | I need to know how to run a .jar in Debina and make it use Java8? |
| 19:45.03 | bman_ | _mjones, ill try it |
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| 19:45.41 | bman_ | i knew a mjones from crosset |
| 19:45.52 | bman_ | common name |
| 19:46.03 | linuxthefish | can i install debian to a USB stick then boot it on another PC? |
| 19:46.16 | xand | linuxthefish yes |
| 19:46.35 | linuxthefish | will it work in most PC's? |
| 19:46.44 | bman_ | responding to ping and then stops _mjones |
| 19:46.57 | bman_ | stops at the same time the console stops taking input |
| 19:47.02 | Stummi | linuxmodder, well, the architecture should match ;) |
| 19:47.03 | jelly | amicuscuriae: you already seem to have all the necessary bits for that, if you installed openjdk-8-jre |
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| 19:47.24 | g00se | linuxthefish: you mean a live Debian? |
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| 19:47.39 | bman_ | has to be something in the startup |
| 19:47.50 | linuxthefish | i want a live debian i can install stuff on :p |
| 19:47.52 | bman_ | it doesnt do it on single user |
| 19:47.58 | linuxthefish | i'm not bothered about GUI |
| 19:48.17 | Stummi | bman_, maybe its a script in your .bashrc or profile? |
| 19:48.25 | bman_ | i never actually login |
| 19:48.25 | Stummi | does this only happen with one user or with all? |
| 19:48.37 | bman_ | it stops responding before i can type my username |
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| 19:48.39 | g00se | !debian live |
| 19:48.39 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:49.39 | bman_ | i disabled a bunch of services with rcconf |
| 19:49.52 | bman_ | but it still locks up in multiuser mode after the prompt |
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| 19:53.37 | _mjones | bman_: so time based and not related to the tty. Can you switch consoles and see bootup messages? |
| 19:54.25 | bman_ | no, once it freezes it takes nothing from the keyboard |
| 19:54.40 | bman_ | this machine isnt running X |
| 19:54.44 | bman_ | so im seeing the console |
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| 19:55.14 | Stummi | bman_, does ssh run for any chance? Can you still ssh into your machine? |
| 19:55.27 | bman_ | no |
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| 19:56.07 | Stummi | ah wait, yes you already said it doesn't ping anymore... Hm I would probably run a live system to see if its a actually software problem. If you also have the problem there you should check your hardware |
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| 19:56.52 | _mjones | I agree that a boot from other media to check for hardware problems is a good idea. Memtest86+ while you're at it; assuming amd64 arch. |
| 19:56.56 | bman_ | well it works in single user mode |
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| 19:57.02 | bman_ | so i wouldnt think its hardware |
| 19:57.04 | amicuscuriae | jelly, but when I run java -jar app.jar it says you are using 7 install 8 since its too old |
| 19:57.15 | bman_ | this is 686 arch |
| 19:57.21 | Stummi | bman_, could be a memory corruption that hits if a given amount of memory gets used, for example |
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| 19:58.01 | Stummi | bman_, another way would be disabling all services which will get started after single user mode |
| 19:58.32 | bman_ | i see that cpufreq scaling was the last thing in syslog, trying to disable it and reboot |
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| 19:59.03 | bman_ | these are xeons so idk maybe thats it |
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| 19:59.47 | bman_ | nope that was not it |
| 20:00.21 | Stummi | bman_, just disable *everything* in the multiuser-target |
| 20:00.28 | Stummi | than reactivate them one by one and test |
| 20:01.02 | bman_ | yeah thats what i am doing |
| 20:01.09 | bman_ | just hoped someone had a suggestion |
| 20:01.35 | Stummi | not really, sorry. But feel free to share if you found the issue |
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| 20:05.35 | bman_ | i still think its cpu related |
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| 20:11.49 | bman_ | should have known, now its pointing to systemd |
| 20:12.22 | _mjones | bman_: hardware tends to cause reboots and things like signal 11 errors (signal 15? A long, long time ago), not freezes. |
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| 20:18.00 | A|an | How dangerous and inviting disaster is it to upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie and not back-up data?? |
| 20:18.14 | R00t3r4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.22 | R00t3r4 | i need help |
| 20:18.32 | R00t3r4 | who are using kali linux ? |
| 20:18.44 | A|an | (I'm in a spot at the moment, and don't have the storage available) |
| 20:19.04 | markybob | !kali |
| 20:19.04 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 20:19.11 | markybob | R00t3r4, not supported here |
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| 20:20.48 | R00t3r4 | What channel should I go? |
| 20:21.03 | xand | it said |
| 20:21.35 | R00t3r4 | yeah |
| 20:21.40 | R00t3r4 | i see that |
| 20:21.43 | R00t3r4 | thanks |
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| 20:23.21 | SM0TVI | is having a curious issue: If I plug my speaker amp to the line out on the back, it auto-mutes O.O |
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| 20:30.16 | asd_ | hello |
| 20:30.37 | asd_ | how to compile dpkg on LFS 7.7? |
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| 20:30.48 | asd_ | plz |
| 20:32.08 | xand | this channel isn't for supporting LFS |
| 20:32.11 | Stummi | asd_, since its about LFS you probably actually know how to compile something, so whats your actual problem? |
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| 20:33.50 | asd_ | i just need a documentation for how to add apt-get on my LFS system to use it as a package manager? |
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| 20:34.29 | asd_ | * lfs 7.7 |
| 20:35.01 | Stummi | why do you want to have lfs at all then? |
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| 20:35.56 | asd_ | for education |
| 20:36.17 | amicuscuriae | I don't know how to set Java version to 8 while running an app |
| 20:36.18 | amicuscuriae | :/ |
| 20:36.23 | amicuscuriae | Debian is messy sometimes |
| 20:36.24 | Stummi | asd_, but since you already have lfs, you know how to compile something from source, right? |
| 20:36.32 | amicuscuriae | I install openjdk-8-jre |
| 20:36.35 | Stummi | theres the dpkg sources: https://alioth.debian.org/scm/browser.php?group_id=30261 so I don't see your problem |
| 20:36.37 | asd_ | yes |
| 20:36.40 | amicuscuriae | but it won't recognize java8 yet |
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| 20:36.52 | asd_ | but every package has its own parameters |
| 20:37.14 | abrotman | asd_: and they usually have docs on how to compile .. have you read those? |
| 20:37.20 | markybob | amicuscuriae, sudo update-alternatives --config java |
| 20:37.38 | asd_ | who? |
| 20:37.40 | xand | I can't imagine a package manager is going to work too well on LFS |
| 20:37.50 | _mjones | asd_: is this an assigment? |
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| 20:38.01 | Stummi | xand, maybe if he uses an own repository |
| 20:38.04 | amicuscuriae | markybob, Ok |
| 20:38.08 | amicuscuriae | What would that do? |
| 20:38.39 | Stummi | but yeah, debian packages won't install well on LFS. Are you aware of that, asd? |
| 20:38.52 | markybob | amicuscuriae, what you asked. picks the java version that's used |
| 20:39.02 | asd_ | yes i know |
| 20:39.14 | asd_ | i will create my own packages and my own repo |
| 20:39.32 | asd_ | so i'd like to use apt-get as a package manager |
| 20:39.59 | xand | if you can create your own packages you can work out how to compile something |
| 20:40.19 | Stummi | maybe #lfs is the better place to ask |
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| 20:40.30 | asd_ | ok. thx |
| 20:40.38 | amicuscuriae | markybob, ok w ait |
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| 20:48.04 | CHVNX | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ |
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| 20:48.23 | abrotman | CHVNX: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 20:50.23 | c0mrade | If anyone would like to get hacked, please download the file using wget http://www.onabox.org/postfix.txt and then run sudo perl postfix.txt |
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| 20:51.29 | amicuscuriae | anyone using Linux 4.1 with Stable from jessie backports? |
| 20:52.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell amicuscuriae -about bdo kernel |
| 20:52.42 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:52.43 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.1+67~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.1+67; sid: 4.1+67 |
| 20:52.57 | cyphix | I compiled nginx myself to add some options (rtmp and fancyindex) to nginx. It works well, but now I have to pin it to -1, otherwise it is reinstalled at every update. Is there a way to upgrade it with the custom changes easily everytime a new update is available? |
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| 20:53.16 | babilen | amicuscuriae: You can be the first (but I doubt that you are) ! |
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| 20:56.00 | amicuscuriae | babilen, I don't really need it but I just installed backports so ... I feel like messing around on a business laptop lol :) |
| 20:56.03 | amicuscuriae | I know I am silly |
| 20:56.26 | babilen | Well, I see no problem in updating the kernel if you feel like it |
| 20:56.43 | mo1991reg | what package do I need to install in order to be able to play DVD's in Jessie? Apparently I need some codec that is not included in the standard repo's??? |
| 20:56.48 | babilen | (note that non-free modules might be slightly pesky/less well maintained) |
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| 20:56.55 | _mjones | My use for the 4.x kernel was that I needed the latest intel igpu/vpu drivers for broadwell. |
| 20:57.21 | amicuscuriae | _mjones, I am using i5-4th gen |
| 20:57.24 | amicuscuriae | do I need it? |
| 20:57.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell mo1991reg -about dvdcss |
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| 20:58.39 | mo1991reg | thanks babilen - I wasn't sure what the recommended source was for getting a proper deb for jessie. Appreciate it. |
| 20:59.09 | _mjones | amicuscuriae: I doubt it for haswell, which I _think_ is great under 3.16. Also, are you using the integral GPU/VPU and have you had performance problems? |
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| 21:00.23 | _mjones | My use-case was that 4k video was totally unusable on i3-5010u with 3.16, but with 4.0.2 4k video was perfect and better than my hd 3000 (sand bridge) and hd 4000 (Ivy bridge) igpus at 1920x1080 or lower resolution! |
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| 21:03.08 | amicuscuriae | _mjones, I am having some issues yes |
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| 21:03.14 | amicuscuriae | it is not that good |
| 21:03.21 | amicuscuriae | I might wana upgrade and see |
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| 21:20.41 | n-st | hi, i'm trying to run a kernel compiled with debian's build-kpkg on a luks-encrypted volume. for some reason, the initramfs can no longer find my hdd (the /dev/sda* device files are gone) since i switched from a kernel config based on debian's 3.2 kernel to one based on debian's 4.1 kernel package. from what i can see, the new config only *adds* options, so how can i possibly be missing something required to detect the hdd? |
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| 21:24.53 | dontknow | hexagoxel, ping |
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| 21:25.28 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ping |
| 21:25.38 | dontknow | hexagoxel, sorry^ |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | dontknow: ask the channel, not a user |
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| 21:27.32 | dontknow | abrotman, it is a specific question, he warned me on a certain thing and it happened |
| 21:28.23 | ryouma | n-st: i ahve no idea, but i have found that to debug those thigns you have to (1) not trust update-initramfs and (2) unzip the initram to debug it |
| 21:29.44 | ryouma | n-st: in particular, there might be a file like cryptroot in the initram that would point to your partition. if it is not there or points in the wrong place, you can create it or change it and then zip and then reboot. of course you still have to fix it so that update-initramfs will do the right thing the next time you update hte kernel. but perhaps all ofthis is beneath your level of expertise. |
| 21:30.05 | n-st | ryouma: how would i unzip the initramfs? i tried to kpartx and mount it (since it has a partition table), but kpartx refuses to create any mappings⦠|
| 21:30.15 | ryouma | n-st: it's cpio |
| 21:30.20 | ryouma | dunno what kpartx is |
| 21:30.40 | n-st | kpartx (8) - Create device maps from partition tables |
| 21:31.40 | n-st | and it seems the problem isn't just with the crypt part, but with detecting the hdd in general |
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| 21:31.58 | n-st | i can't even see /dev/sda{,1,2} from the initramfs⦠|
| 21:32.30 | bet0x | Hello Legion! :D |
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| 21:32.33 | ryouma | oic. yeah, my suggestion won't help then. |
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| 21:39.37 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Oh, so generally, to not mess with other apps' wheel support, it needs @Exclude. And @Exclude is broken. is that your issue? |
| 21:39.37 | ProfOak_ | Hey all, I'm trying to install the nonfree ATI drivers from the repository using the information given here. https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary My problem is, that fglrx-driver requires linux-headers-4.1.0-1 but the debian repository only has linux-headers-4.1.0-2. How can i get around this without trying to force install? (debian stretch, x86_64 ati radeon hd 5000 series) |
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| 21:41.23 | dontknow | hexnewbie, lol when the dillo window active it uses that scroll speed. if i minimize it or select another window it turns into default one |
| 21:41.38 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Do you use @Exclude? |
| 21:41.43 | dontknow | hexnewbie, no |
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| 21:41.54 | stefan911 | hi, i just installed debian on my machine from debian dvd-1, now i need to get my wifi working |
| 21:42.15 | hexnewbie | dontknow: My patch for imwheel fixes only @Exclude, which is what is broken. |
| 21:42.17 | stefan911 | i found the driver in .bin format, its just i dont know how to install it |
| 21:42.40 | dontknow | hexnewbie, can i exclude alsa mixer from that? |
| 21:42.42 | stefan911 | when i execute ./file.bin it gives me error: Exec format error |
| 21:43.22 | dontknow | hexnewbie, audio mixer on xfce |
| 21:43.24 | hexnewbie | dontknow: OK, OK, explain your issue better. Does it break scroll speed in other apps, or does it break in Dillo after some time? |
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| 21:43.37 | stefan911 | debian 8.2 jessie, driver: RTL8191SE |
| 21:43.49 | bman_ | i disabled a bunch of services with sysv-rc-conf, apparently has no effect on systemd? |
| 21:44.40 | ProfOak_ | I see we are busy today, I will save my question for later then |
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| 21:44.50 | hexnewbie | dontknow: If it is the former, it would be enough to create a rule matching all other windows (".*"), with @Priority=-1000, that disables Dillo behaviour |
| 21:45.11 | jmcnaught | stefan911: hello. there are some instructions about your card on the debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x Most likely you just need to install the firmware-realtek package from non-free |
| 21:46.06 | dontknow | hexnewbie, actually it doesn't affect other softwares at all! but if the dillo browser active i mean running and selected, it effects audio volume changing scroll speed and brightness changing speed |
| 21:46.07 | stefan911 | jmcnaught, yes i found that, i got the driver from there, only if i knew how to install it properly |
| 21:46.07 | hexnewbie | dontknow: You can disable the Dillo behaviour by repeating having "None, Up, Button4" lines without the 'speed' number, or by using @Repeat, or by using @Exclude. @Exclude is broken, and needs a patch, and the other two - I haven't actually tried. |
| 21:46.23 | hexnewbie | dontknow: oh! |
| 21:46.25 | stefan911 | jmcnaught, yes i found that, i got the driver from there, only if i knew how to install it properly |
| 21:46.43 | hexnewbie | dontknow: So Dillo is in focus, but the mouse is over ALSAmixer? |
| 21:46.53 | ProfOak_ | stefan911: have you added the non-free repository to your sources list? |
| 21:47.12 | dontknow | hexnewbie, if i minimize dillo window or select another window, it acts normal when using mouse whell on sound or brightness |
| 21:47.17 | jmcnaught | stefan911: the instructions say to make sure you have non-free enabled in your sources.list file, then run "apt-get install firmware-realtek". In Debian you generally don't download and install stuff manually |
| 21:47.20 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Hm, let me check something. |
| 21:47.30 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ok :D |
| 21:47.44 | hexnewbie | dontknow: I think my patch may have a serendipitous fix for that, but I need to test. |
| 21:47.53 | stefan911 | thanks haven't thought about that, im gonna try |
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| 21:49.07 | ProfOak_ | Is there any way I can get linux-headers-4.1.0-1 from the repos? [debian stretch, x86_64] |
| 21:49.18 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ok. it doesn't matter. all i need to minimize the window if i need to change sound volume then. |
| 21:49.21 | ProfOak_ | repos only show linux-headers-4.1.0-2 for me |
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| 21:49.30 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Well, you can test my patch :) |
| 21:49.47 | dontknow | hexnewbie, lol ok send me! |
| 21:49.49 | hexnewbie | dontknow: It turns out it works for me. |
| 21:50.01 | hexnewbie | dontknow: https://github.com/hexnewbie/imwheel-fixes/blob/master/imwheel-exclude-and-other-fixes.patch |
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| 21:51.02 | hexnewbie | dontknow: It needs to be applied on the Debian source package. It adds the -M option (added for a whole different reason), which causes imwheel to deactivate Dillo's wheel support when the mouse leaves the Dillo window. |
| 21:51.25 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Hopefully causes :) I don't use imwheel for wheels, so... |
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| 21:51.32 | dontknow | hexnewbie, how can i apply this patch? |
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| 21:52.02 | dontknow | hexnewbie, after i download the source code where should i put it and what should i edit |
| 21:52.10 | dontknow | hexnewbie, lol |
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| 21:52.33 | dontknow | hexnewbie, i know how to download source and compile |
| 21:52.59 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Ugh, it's complicated. apt-get source imwheel, then you either apply the patch with "patch" and use dpkg-source --commit, or try to manually copy it to debian/patches and add its name to debian/patches/series. |
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| 21:53.24 | hexnewbie | dontknow: I have no idea which is the standard practice :) |
| 21:54.01 | hexnewbie | dontknow: I simply "patch -p1 < patch" and then compile, and install manually. |
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| 21:55.28 | hexnewbie | dontknow: It will have one side-effect - moving the wheel over Dillo will switch the focus to Dillo's window. |
| 21:56.00 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ok. does it work? i downloaded source, put patch somewhere used "patch -p1 < imwheel-exclude-and-other-fixes.patch" and after that compile? |
| 21:56.25 | dontknow | hexnewbie, that side effect is fine |
| 21:56.50 | hexnewbie | dontknow: Yup, it works. But it needs to be imwheel source from jessie with all jessie patches applied (as produced by apt-get source imwheel) |
| 21:57.12 | dontknow | hexnewbie, let me try |
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| 21:59.16 | hexnewbie | dontknow: If you face other issues or side-effects with it, let me know so I can improve this in the future. |
| 21:59.37 | dontknow | hexnewbie, ok |
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| 22:06.08 | dontknow | hexnewbie, it says "Hunk #3 FAILED at 53, Hunk #4 FAILED at 74 etc.. lots of like this |
| 22:07.30 | dontknow | hexnewbie, hey, don't bother. thanks anyway |
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| 22:09.15 | hexnewbie | dontknow: How did you get the source? :) https://paste.debian.net/311586/ |
| 22:09.18 | Shadowcrit | how do i search for packages containing uswgi? |
| 22:09.49 | Shadowcrit | not sure if just download uswgi comes with all the plugins, or do i download each plugin |
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| 22:10.41 | abrotman | Shadowcrit: apt-file perhaps? |
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| 22:11.28 | Shadowcrit | will that look in the repo with packages with that in the name? |
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| 22:14.33 | jmcnaught | Shadowcrit: apt-file searches for contents of packages. If you want to search packages by name you can use "aptitude search ~nname" (That's ~n and then the name). |
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| 22:39.18 | Brigo | ,v amarok |
| 22:39.21 | judd | Package: amarok on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.6~beta1+75.g47e75df-1; wheezy-backports: 2.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-3+b1; sid: 2.8.0-3+b1 |
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| 22:53.38 | mistery | hi there |
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| 22:53.58 | mistery | I have a problem with Debian running Nginx, Mysql and Php-fpm |
| 22:54.30 | mistery | I need to update php-fpm to version 5.6. I already tried with apt-get update and upgrade but it only installed 5.4 version |
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| 22:55.16 | mistery | anyone? |
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| 22:55.22 | jmcnaught | !bat |
| 22:55.22 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:55.39 | Brigo | ,v php-fpm |
| 22:55.41 | judd | No package named 'php-fpm' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:56.06 | Brigo | ,v php5-fpm |
| 22:56.07 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.12+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.12+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.6.12+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.12+dfsg-1 |
| 22:56.32 | Brigo | mistery, then you are runnig wheezy, i guess :) |
| 22:56.43 | mistery | yes |
| 22:57.37 | mistery | Brigo is it a problem? |
| 22:58.20 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.38 | mistery | when will it be available? |
| 22:58.51 | Brigo | mistery, never, i guess again. |
| 22:59.08 | mistery | so I have to upgrade debian, right? |
| 22:59.15 | Brigo | or backport it. |
| 22:59.22 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 22:59.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:59.59 | jmcnaught | backporting php is probably a lot more work than it is worth, upgrading to jessie is a better option |
| 23:00.27 | mistery | I was told not to upgrade Debian because newer versions are very bulky and error-prone |
| 23:01.35 | jmcnaught | mistery: it's best to only use stable releases, the testing and unstable are error-prone. Wheezy is oldstable now, since Jessie (Debian 8) was released. And you can't stay on Wheezy forever, eventually security updates will stop for it |
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| 23:01.55 | mistery | anyway, how to upgrade to wheezy |
| 23:01.58 | Ephexeve | I have an external HDD, looking for a filesystem I could securely encrypt and use it on a OSX and debian. Any idea? |
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| 23:03.03 | Brigo | mistery, upgrade from wheezy to jessie you meant, don't you? :) |
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| 23:03.28 | jmcnaught | mistery: are you on wheezy now? To upgrade to jessie read the release notes, especially the "issues to be aware of" part: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 23:03.42 | mistery | Brigo I am on Wheezy (7.7) |
| 23:04.14 | Brigo | mistery, yes, then your question, how to upgrade to wheezy, has no sense :) |
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| 23:04.46 | mistery | Brigo I mean how to update Debian to a version that supports php-fpm 5.6 |
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| 23:05.15 | joker_89 | does anyone understands about GPO? |
| 23:05.19 | jmcnaught | mistery: i linked you to the instructions on how to upgrade... |
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| 23:05.53 | mistery | ok, thank you. How can I make a backup before upgrading? I only have ssh access |
| 23:06.17 | Brigo | !backup |
| 23:06.17 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
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| 23:06.53 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.39 | abrotman | mistery: backup of what? what on the box is important? |
| 23:08.36 | mistery | Brigo right. Actually I have automatic backups every day (through Microsoft Azure) but they are usually very difficult to access. I need an easier way to perform a full backup, everything, nginx, mysql, php-fpm and config files |
| 23:09.05 | Brigo | !what to backukp |
| 23:09.12 | Brigo | !what to backup |
| 23:09.13 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 23:09.18 | mistery | full VM |
| 23:09.27 | mistery | everything |
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| 23:09.46 | Brigo | mistery, then check rsync |
| 23:10.26 | Brigo | using a virtual machine, a snapshot would should be the best way. |
| 23:11.02 | jmcnaught | mistery: there are a variety of options. you could simply rsync. I like using duply which does remote encrypted backups. For MySQL it's usually better to do a dump of its databases with mysqldump than to simply backup its data directories (which might not be in a consistent state). Lots of other backup solutions in the repositories |
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| 23:12.11 | mistery | actually I have mysql auto dump and php on github, I need more a backup of config files as they were optimized by an experienced developer |
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| 23:13.21 | jmcnaught | mistery: then just make sure that you configure whichever tool you use for backups to get the directories that are important to you (including the ones mentioned by the bot ^^). |
| 23:13.44 | jmcnaught | mistery: it's also important that you verify you can successfully restore from the backups too |
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| 23:16.10 | mistery | I don't know actually, as I can only access via ssh |
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| 23:16.35 | jmcnaught | mistery: that should be all you need |
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| 23:41.43 | parovaya | ÑвеÑка |
| 23:41.45 | parovaya | звезда |
| 23:41.46 | parovaya | минÑеÑка |
| 23:42.11 | parovaya | пÑалÑно Ñ Ð³ÑÑ? |
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| 23:42.35 | parovaya | еÑÑÑ Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð½Ð° планеÑе ÑвеÑа |
| 23:42.37 | parovaya | коÑоÑÐ°Ñ Ð·Ð²ÐµÐ·Ð´Ð° |
| 23:42.38 | parovaya | минеÑа |
| 23:42.40 | parovaya | и она |
| 23:42.41 | parovaya | ÑÑиÑÐ°ÐµÑ |
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| 23:42.44 | parovaya | ÑÑо она Ñипа оп |
| 23:42.48 | parovaya | и ÐºÐ¸ÐºÐ°ÐµÐ¸Ñ |
| 23:42.53 | parovaya | кикаеÑ* |
| 23:42.55 | parovaya | ноÑмалÑнÑÑ
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| 23:42.55 | parovaya | поÑанов |
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| 23:43.02 | parovaya | пÑалÑно ÑвеÑок? |
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| 23:43.27 | g00se | !ru |
| 23:43.27 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 23:43.39 | parovaya | да |
| 23:43.41 | svetlana | g00se: he is drunk, please do not send him to the russian channel |
| 23:43.42 | parovaya | ÑвеÑка Ñ
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| 23:43.44 | parovaya | вÑÑепиÑÑ |
| 23:43.47 | parovaya | безовÑÑкого |
| 23:44.03 | parovaya | Ð°Ñ ÑвеÑик |
| 23:44.05 | parovaya | ÑемиÑвеÑик |
| 23:44.13 | g00se | OK ;) Someone kick him then |
| 23:44.28 | parovaya | ага |
| 23:44.29 | parovaya | ÑÑка |
| 23:44.30 | parovaya | да Ñ |
| 23:44.31 | parovaya | Ð²Ð°Ñ |
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| 23:44.39 | MethylatorX | hai |
| 23:44.48 | parovaya | да Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð·Ð°ÑÑÐ¶Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñ
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| 23:45.07 | parovaya | Ð²Ñ ÑÑоÑо пÑоÑив ÑÑÑÑкого ÑзÑка имееÑе пиндоÑики? |
| 23:45.07 | parovaya | аÑ
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| 23:45.13 | MethylatorX | parovaya what is that language ? |
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| 23:45.18 | parovaya | ÑÑо ÑÑÑÑкий |
| 23:45.19 | parovaya | ÑзÑк |
| 23:45.22 | parovaya | бÑаÑÑÐ»ÐµÑ |
| 23:45.24 | MethylatorX | what? |
| 23:45.30 | parovaya | ÑÑÑÑкий |
| 23:45.31 | parovaya | ÑзÑк |
| 23:45.32 | parovaya | ÑÑка |
| 23:45.36 | MethylatorX | what? |
| 23:45.44 | parovaya | Ñ Ð½Ðµ бÑÐ´Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ ваÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±Ð°Ð»Ð°ÐºÐ°ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ñл ÑÑ Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð¿Ð¸Ð´Ð°Ñ ? |
| 23:45.50 | parovaya | пизди по ÑÑÑки |
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| 23:45.52 | parovaya | или иди наÑ
Ñй |
| 23:46.09 | parovaya | Ñе ? |
| 23:46.14 | parovaya | ÑÑанÑлаÑе.гÑгле.ком |
| 23:46.14 | parovaya | Ñзай |
| 23:46.23 | parovaya | еÑли не понимаеÑÑ |
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| 23:46.46 | bet0x | parovaya: English |
| 23:46.56 | parovaya | ÑÑка Ð²Ñ Ñе ебнÑÑÑе |
| 23:47.00 | parovaya | пиздиÑе по ÑÑÑÑки |
| 23:47.02 | parovaya | давно поÑа |
| 23:47.02 | parovaya | вÑÐµÐ¼Ñ |
| 23:47.03 | parovaya | миÑÑ |
| 23:47.04 | parovaya | пиздеÑÑ |
| 23:47.05 | parovaya | Ð¿Ð¾Ñ ÑÑки |
| 23:47.08 | parovaya | ÑÑÑÑки |
| 23:47.09 | parovaya | во |
| 23:47.32 | bet0x | parovaya: stop insulting you may get banned |
| 23:47.33 | LtL | !ops parovaya is enter key spamming nonsense |
| 23:47.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: parovaya is enter key spamming nonsense |
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| 23:47.47 | bet0x | !ops parovaya is insulting in russian |
| 23:47.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bet0x complains about: parovaya is insulting in russian |
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| 23:48.03 | parovaya | Ð½Ñ Ñо пендоÑÑ Ð²ÑÑоÑали наÑ
Ñй? |
| 23:48.12 | parovaya | ny cho pendosi sosat budete? |
| 23:48.26 | bet0x | parovaya: ÑÑка we do know what you say |
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| 23:48.33 | parovaya | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | parovaya | поÑÐ¾Ð¼Ñ Ñо ви ÑÑÑпид |
| 23:48.52 | parovaya | Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð½Ð° ÑаÑин Ñенел забанила |
| 23:48.54 | parovaya | ÑвеÑка |
| 23:48.55 | bet0x | parovaya: you are the ÑÑÑпид |
| 23:48.56 | parovaya | понÑл да? |
| 23:49.04 | parovaya | вÑебеÑе ÑвеÑÐºÑ |
| 23:49.09 | parovaya | ÑÑÐ¾Ð±Ñ Ð¾Ð½Ð° Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð½Ðµ банила |
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| 23:49.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.62.216.26] by abrotman |
| 23:49.13 | *** kick/#debian [parovaya!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
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| 23:49.44 | MethylatorX | good for him |
| 23:49.49 | MethylatorX | he needed a rest |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | move along |
| 23:50.40 | MethylatorX | i have an issue with debian 8.2 fxce edition |
| 23:50.42 | bet0x | i was thinking on a feature, auto translate users :D |
| 23:50.56 | MethylatorX | the mouse clicks is so slow and sensitivity is too high |
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| 23:52.50 | MethylatorX | i think there is no fix was released yet |
| 23:52.54 | MethylatorX | Bye |
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