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| 00:04.11 | abrotman | krzee: did you write the script? |
| 00:04.34 | krzee | i did not, it came with ejabberd from apt |
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| 00:05.54 | krzee | when i run update-rc.d i get no output, whether removing or adding |
| 00:06.04 | krzee | in case that is noteworthy |
| 00:06.11 | krzee | (im running 8.2.0) |
| 00:06.25 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense, the script should work out of the box |
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| 00:06.38 | abrotman | did you check the /var/log/messages for boot time errors? |
| 00:06.40 | krzee | it works when i run it |
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| 00:07.52 | krzee | no errors, and the ejabberd log shows it wasnt started at all |
| 00:08.05 | krzee | last entry was from before the reboot |
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| 00:09.22 | abrotman | it sounds like a path problem |
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| 00:10.12 | abrotman | put an "echo $PATH >> /root/ejabberd.path" at the bottom of the init script, reboot |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | or put a set -x |
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| 00:13.41 | krzee | it didnt make the file, i guess the script isnt executing at all |
| 00:14.04 | asterismo | hi ppl |
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| 00:14.17 | asterismo | any roundcube-similar webmail software |
| 00:14.19 | asterismo | ? |
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| 00:15.07 | abrotman | krzee: ls -l /etc/init.d/ejabberd |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | asterismo: roundcube |
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| 00:15.22 | krzee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1728 Sep 16 17:12 /etc/init.d/ejabberd |
| 00:15.38 | asterismo | abrotman: lol |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | krzee: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*jabber* |
| 00:15.54 | abrotman | asterismo: I am not joking |
| 00:16.05 | krzee | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Sep 16 17:05 /etc/rc2.d/S01ejabberd -> ../init.d/ejabberd |
| 00:17.08 | asterismo | abrotman: any other one? |
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| 00:17.17 | abrotman | asterismo: you can google "Open Source webmail" |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | krzee: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 00:18.34 | krzee | grep: /etc/inittab: No such file or directory |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | krzee: this is Debian? |
| 00:19.13 | krzee | find . -name inittab didnt find one either |
| 00:19.17 | krzee | yes, 8.2.0 |
| 00:19.20 | krzee | jessie |
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| 00:20.46 | krzee | what would the line look like? maybe i can grep around and find it |
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| 00:21.30 | abrotman | krzee: systemctl enable ejabberd ? |
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| 00:21.35 | krzee | new init system sysv i guess |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | ejabberd.service perhaps |
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| 00:22.02 | krzee | ahh that gave output now |
| 00:22.27 | krzee | rebooting to test |
| 00:22.57 | krzee | update-rc.d wasnt giving output but systemctl enable did |
| 00:23.29 | krzee | yep that did it, thanks abrotman |
| 00:23.37 | krzee | abrotman++ |
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| 00:28.24 | changnesia | Hey guys. My laptop doesn't lock after sleep. I found this guide https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenLockingOnSleep , but how do I know which system I run? Thanks! |
| 00:28.42 | changnesia | I mean systemd or sysvinit |
| 00:29.11 | srg | what version of debian do you use? |
| 00:29.26 | changnesia | 8.2 |
| 00:29.30 | krzee | sysv |
| 00:29.54 | krzee | as per the help i just received lol |
| 00:30.23 | quantic | um, Debian 8.x defaults to systemd unless something has changed drastically. |
| 00:30.52 | changnesia | Can I find out shomehow? |
| 00:30.54 | quantic | And given that my current Debian 8.2 install is running systemd, I doubt that that change has occured. |
| 00:31.11 | srg | yeah, 8 runs systemd |
| 00:31.20 | changnesia | If it's any help, I only installed the base and put i3 on top |
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| 00:31.51 | quantic | changnesia: Are you using Debian 8? :P |
| 00:31.55 | quantic | changnesia: Then you're on systemd. |
| 00:32.04 | changnesia | Yeah, 8.2 |
| 00:32.08 | changnesia | Thanks! |
| 00:32.36 | changnesia | Also if I wanted to specify a background image, where would I put that? |
| 00:32.37 | krzee | i stand corrected |
| 00:32.43 | krzee | i guess i read it backwards |
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| 00:37.03 | azmodeus | hello! |
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| 00:46.10 | iluminator105 | hi i am getting this error in compile http://fpaste.org/268246/45011714/ |
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| 00:47.25 | abrotman | probably ask the author |
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| 00:50.52 | iluminator105 | Greeting abrotman |
| 00:51.16 | changnesia | I'm back. I followed this guide https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenLockingOnSleep for systemd, but it says no such file or directory when I put the systemctl command in. |
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| 00:53.32 | abrotman | changnesia: as root? |
| 00:56.02 | changnesia | abrotman: yes |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | changnesia: should be in /bin/ |
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| 00:58.33 | changnesia | abrotman: I think I figured it out. I was in the wrong directory, I was in /etc/systemd/ but I shouldhave been in /etc/systemd/system/ |
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| 01:00.05 | changnesia | Yep it works now |
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| 01:00.49 | changnesia | Can I specify an image in the file? The white is horrible. I know I can when I use it from command line, but I don't know where to put it in the file. |
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| 01:01.37 | abrotman | heck if I know |
| 01:02.20 | changnesia | from command line I'd just run i3lock -i /path/to/image |
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| 01:08.02 | placko | My computer does not go 'power off' when I do 'sudo halt'. I installed apmd but it did not helped. |
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| 01:08.45 | quantic | placko: halt isn't intended to power off the machine. |
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| 01:08.51 | quantic | placko: halt -p will do so. or "poweroff" |
| 01:09.27 | changnesia | placko: or use shutdown -P now |
| 01:10.33 | quantic | "halt -p" == "poweroff" == "shutdown -P now" == "shutdown" |
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| 01:10.55 | quantic | At least, in Debian 8. |
| 01:11.53 | placko | I will try your suggestion. Thanks. It is just than while I was running squeeze halt did power off. |
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| 01:12.04 | Sylogista | hi! |
| 01:12.21 | changnesia | quantic: what's the difference between poweroff and shutdown? |
| 01:12.39 | quantic | changnesia: by default? Nothing. poweroff is the default mode of the shutdown command. |
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| 01:13.14 | quantic | changnesia: In jessie, entering shutdown by itself is synonymous with "shutdown -P now". "poweroff" is an alias of the same. halt -p as well. |
| 01:13.45 | changnesia | quantic: I see. I've always typed shutdown -P now, but poweroff is way quicker. |
| 01:13.52 | changnesia | to type |
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| 01:14.17 | Sylogista | I have simple question. At last- more about aptitude. In Fedora i have method that I can install using * sign. "*" means whatever, that's clear. |
| 01:14.45 | Sylogista | Have aptitude something like that? |
| 01:15.12 | quantic | Sylogista: Installing packages by wildcard? |
| 01:15.55 | Sylogista | quantic: how to do this? |
| 01:16.01 | Sylogista | Yes, that's what I mean |
| 01:16.17 | placko | Also when I press Power button on keyboard computer does not shutdown. It used to do so with squeeze. |
| 01:16.32 | quantic | Sylogista: With aptitude, you can use the ~n tag. |
| 01:16.44 | quantic | Sylogista: A quick Google finds this. http://askubuntu.com/questions/62595/how-to-use-wildcards-with-aptitude/62676#62676 |
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| 01:17.56 | quantic | Sylogista: It's easier to use apt-get for wildcards, though. |
| 01:18.06 | quantic | Sylogista: apt-get install "xfce4*" for example. |
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| 01:19.32 | Sylogista | with apt-get everything's working fine, but I heard that's bad idea to install using apt-get and aptitude interchangeably. |
| 01:19.37 | Sylogista | That's true? |
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| 01:20.25 | quantic | Sylogista: They have slightly different behaviors, but both are frontends to dpkg, which means they use the same database. |
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| 01:21.13 | quantic | Sylogista: One handles automatic removals differently than the other. apt-get is the official one iirc, but aptitude is almost as common. |
| 01:21.14 | Sylogista | quantic: thanks, with apt-get everything's working fine. At last it was language problem, if I know that's calling wildcards- I'll probably just google it successful :) |
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| 01:22.54 | Sylogista | quantic: So, there is no way to broke something using apt-get and aptitude interchangeably? |
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| 01:24.08 | Sylogista | quantic: In normal using, imho- there is always probability of unknown bug... |
| 01:24.52 | quantic | Sylogista: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations |
| 01:26.23 | Sylogista | quantic: Answers in manual... damn shame on me. Ok, thanks so much for help! :) |
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| 01:36.27 | umbra_purus | Can someone help me please? I've just installed debian 8.2 and i want to use sudo but when i type sudo apt-get update i get an error message: "bash: sudo: command not found" |
| 01:37.10 | dvs | ,v sudo |
| 01:37.11 | judd | Package: sudo on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.5; squeeze-backports: 1.8.5p2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu2; wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu3; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u2; sid: 1.8.12-1; stretch: 1.8.12-1 |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | umbra_purus: is the package installed? |
| 01:37.42 | Chocolate_Chip | omg |
| 01:37.46 | Chocolate_Chip | Everything is gone |
| 01:37.54 | Chocolate_Chip | I ran MegaSync, and it encountered an error |
| 01:38.10 | Chocolate_Chip | Now the only direcrory in /home/$USER is Desktop |
| 01:38.16 | Chocolate_Chip | And there's nothign in Desktop |
| 01:38.24 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
| 01:38.26 | Chocolate_Chip | Shoudl I restart? |
| 01:38.30 | Chocolate_Chip | What should I do |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
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| 01:39.36 | umbra_purus | well abrotman I just made a fresh install of debian |
| 01:39.40 | umbra_purus | i Dont know |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | umbra_purus: dpkg -l sudo .. what does it say in the first two columns? |
| 01:39.57 | dvs | umbra_purus: dpkg -l sudo |
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| 01:40.45 | umbra_purus | "dpkg-query: no package found matching sudo" |
| 01:40.48 | umbra_purus | any thoughts? |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | umbra_purus: become root, and install sudo |
| 01:41.49 | umbra_purus | already root. now what? apt-get install sudo? |
| 01:42.43 | umbra_purus | why can't I just get my user to have the same permissions of root? |
| 01:42.56 | markybob | umbra_purus, apt-get update && apt-get install sudo |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | because then you'd be root, and you'd be running DOS |
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| 01:45.25 | umbra_purus | meaning? |
| 01:46.46 | quantic | umbra_purus: You should never be logged in as the root user or as any user that has those permissions without elevating. Sudo is a safety buffer and for good reason. |
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| 01:47.02 | abrotman | doesn't really agree with that .. |
| 01:47.04 | quantic | umbra_purus: root or associated privileges are used only when necessary. |
| 01:47.22 | quantic | *without a good reason for doing so. |
| 01:47.38 | quantic | If you're about to do a bunch of installations or configuration, then sure. |
| 01:47.46 | quantic | But don't just log in to root for everyday crap. |
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| 01:47.59 | umbra_purus | oh ok |
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| 01:48.13 | umbra_purus | #quanticdebiantips |
| 01:48.15 | umbra_purus | :D |
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| 01:48.57 | quantic | umbra_purus: If you're just going to do one quick thing, like install a package or change a config file, then sudo is the better option, imho. |
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| 01:49.00 | abrotman | if you use sudo as ALL:ALL, it's a false sense of security |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | IMO |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | then everyone abuses it, no idea what it's actually doing, etc |
| 01:49.52 | quantic | doesn't really agree with that. |
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| 01:50.07 | quantic | But hey, it's Linux. There are a ton of different ways to do things, and no one agrees on what's best. |
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| 01:51.59 | quantic | Where I DO agree with abrotman is that sudo will not protect you AT ALL from doing something stupid. |
| 01:52.21 | umbra_purus | yeah that's true and i agree.. it happened already to me xD |
| 01:52.45 | quantic | Really, though, the power of sudo is to grant certain abilities to certain users without giving them the keys to the castle. |
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| 01:53.22 | valdyn | sudo usually *is* the key to the castle |
| 01:53.37 | quantic | valdyn: Properly configured, it doesn't have to be. |
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| 01:53.55 | valdyn | no, but its usually used that way |
| 01:54.01 | quantic | valdyn: Agreed. |
| 01:54.10 | valdyn | (and everything else is *very* hard) |
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| 01:54.27 | umbra_purus | Do i need to config something else after i install sudo? |
| 01:54.41 | quantic | umbra_purus: By default, you'll need to add your user to the sudo group. |
| 01:54.47 | quantic | umbra_purus: adduser derp sudo |
| 01:54.50 | quantic | Then log out and log back in. |
| 01:54.59 | dvs | meh |
| 01:55.07 | dvs | configures sudo manually1 |
| 01:55.09 | markybob | no |
| 01:55.16 | markybob | man visudo |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | the default is a world where 'sudo su' works, which defeats the purpose |
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| 01:56.22 | quantic | umbra_purus: The default allows anyone in the "sudo" group to do anything as any user. |
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| 01:57.23 | quantic | umbra_purus: To truly understand what sudo CAN do, read the man page for "sudoers". |
| 01:57.34 | valdyn | just allowing apt-get is dangerous too |
| 01:57.35 | quantic | umbra_purus: Just understand that it is, by necessity, quite a complex creation. |
| 01:57.42 | valdyn | might aswell go with the default |
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| 02:12.35 | head8debian | Hello all, i just installed Debian 8 on my laptop coming from windows. For some reason every time i boot it gives me an overcurrent warning message on my USB ports. Even when nothing is plugged in. the ports look ok and so does the mobo, and windows never complained. I also have never had USB issues. Any ideas why its triggering? |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | head8debian: anything not working? |
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| 02:15.08 | head8debian | abrotman: Physically no. |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:15.41 | head8debian | abrotman: For some reason though if i hook a 2.5in HDD up through an USB extention cord of 6ft, it cannot get enough umph to start. |
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| 02:16.05 | abrotman | how do you know? have you tested it? |
| 02:16.14 | head8debian | Yes. |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | I'd look for a bios upgrade |
| 02:17.08 | head8debian | abrotman: I did upgrade the bios. It is running the newest version now. |
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| 02:17.39 | abrotman | Then you should probably google the error, see what it really means, and what the impact is |
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| 02:18.18 | head8debian | Ok. |
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| 03:33.55 | brian|lfs | let me try this again |
| 03:34.00 | brian|lfs | hello is anyone around |
| 03:34.41 | brian|lfs | I need to pass my video card in my /etc/modprobe.d folder and thhe kernel doesnt' like vfio-pci ids=10de:1184,10de:0e0a |
| 03:35.05 | brian|lfs | options vfio-pci ids=10de:1184,10de:0e0a I mean |
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| 03:35.39 | brian|lfs | so how am I suppose to pass it I don't quite under stand doing it the other way under /sys/pci/drivers and all |
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| 03:45.23 | a773326b | Hi. In fear of losing connection (over Putty from Win..), can anyone tell for sure (if possible) how to change subnet address for eth0 from "255.255.255.0" to "255.255.0.0" ? |
| 03:46.16 | a773326b | At least that's what I think is needed.. I added another router between the box, and while it resolves google.com, it fails to ping it.. looking at my Win box, where these settings are set manually, the subnet addr. is 255.255.0.0 and not 255.255.255.0 ... hm. :s It resolves external hosts, but can't ping or anything.. hm. :s |
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| 03:47.13 | markybob | a773326b, sudo ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.0.0 |
| 03:47.20 | a773326b | thanks!:) |
| 03:47.51 | markybob | hrm. |
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| 03:48.35 | a773326b | hm. dang, still can't ping Google.com, for some reason... any idea what it could be? All I did was add another router in between, and booted the box. Dhcpd seems to have gotten the IP for this new LAN as it should.. |
| 03:48.57 | markybob | yeah what you said made no sense. thus the "hrm". |
| 03:48.58 | a773326b | so, wasn't the netmask that was the issue.. but didn't hurt either it seems, heh. |
| 03:49.01 | a773326b | oh.. |
| 03:49.14 | a773326b | (sry , Im pretty newb to Linux in general, btw.. heh:\) |
| 03:51.05 | a773326b | any idea what it could be? "ping google.com" resolves its IP, but can't ping. "iptables -L" seems clean (no rules added).. hm:s |
| 03:53.01 | a773326b | it can't be related to subnet mask or broadcast address... ? I know little to none about networking to tell if it could be... :/ (sry if my english is bad btw; say if to rephrase or whatever..:) |
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| 03:55.27 | a773326b | it can ping other hosts in the network fine, and obviously as I can connect to it remotely (from within same LAN) thru Putty, connection works fine thus far.. |
| 03:56.13 | a773326b | ping google.com resolves google's IP, just can't ping it. Similarly, "apt-get update" and other commands trying to reach out on the internet fails (resolves IPs, but fails to fetch anything...hm) |
| 03:56.41 | WormFood | If I have all the debian install DVDs, and copy their contents to my hard drive, I should be able to share it out via http, and configure my local machines to use it as a repo, right? |
| 03:57.18 | WormFood | a773326b, I didn't see everything you said (before I connected, obviously), but it sounds like a routing issue to me. What does route -n give you? |
| 03:58.08 | a773326b | Destination: 172.16.234.0 , Gateway: 0.0.0.0 Genmask: 255.255.255.0 Flags: U , Metric: 0 , Ref: 0 , Use: 0 , Iface: eth0 |
| 03:58.31 | WormFood | that's it? |
| 03:58.34 | a773326b | (sry can't copy-paste). "Gateway: 0.0.0.0". hm.. the router's IP is supposed to be 172.16.234.1 |
| 03:58.35 | a773326b | yep |
| 03:58.41 | a773326b | just that one line |
| 03:58.53 | WormFood | yeah, it's a routing issue. |
| 03:58.58 | a773326b | (well, the text and the values on each their line..I just wrote off (not copy/paste)..) |
| 03:59.00 | a773326b | oh |
| 03:59.03 | WormFood | most likely your router is resolving dns for you. |
| 03:59.08 | a773326b | hm.. oh |
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| 03:59.10 | WormFood | I know what you did. |
| 03:59.11 | markybob | WormFood, so maybe https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 04:00.02 | a773326b | but in /etc/resolv.conf I've also set "nameserver 8.8.8.8", should override router's ? and anyway, the resolving seems fine. If I "ping google.com", it resolves Google's IP, but fails to ping at all |
| 04:00.26 | WormFood | no default gateway, no internet access. |
| 04:00.34 | a773326b | (besides 8.8.8.8, at boot it seems to have set the new router's IP as the second nameserver in resolv.conf too btw..) |
| 04:00.37 | a773326b | hmm |
| 04:00.46 | a773326b | but it does find Google's IP... hmm. |
| 04:00.48 | WormFood | I don't know how your router is configured. It could be setup to transparently intercept dns requests, and resolve it |
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| 04:01.17 | WormFood | if you have no default gateway, then nothings gonna get off your local network, from that host. |
| 04:01.24 | a773326b | And, I simply put a new router in-between, and it did get IP from it (172.16.234.x is the new network) at boot with dhcpd correctly |
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| 04:01.29 | WormFood | route add -net 0/0 gw x.x.x.x |
| 04:01.34 | a773326b | thanks, will try |
| 04:01.42 | WormFood | try that. |
| 04:01.49 | WormFood | obviously, as root |
| 04:02.10 | a773326b | now when I try ping it returns "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 04:02.12 | WormFood | and if I have to tell you to replace "x.x.x.x" with your router's address... then |
| 04:02.23 | a773326b | route -n still says Gateway 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:03.13 | a773326b | it can ping 172.16.234.1 (the router) successfully, responds with 0.26 to 0.27 ms |
| 04:03.17 | WormFood | what is the ip of your router? 192.168.1.1? |
| 04:03.48 | a773326b | (it could prior to that change ("route add -net 0/0 gw 172.16.234.1" too, btw^^ ) |
| 04:04.41 | WormFood | now does it work to get to the rest of the world? |
| 04:04.58 | WormFood | also, have you tried other machines? They're going through the router ok? |
| 04:05.11 | a773326b | if I ping google.com , it resolves Google's IP, but fails to get any response to the ping. so clearly it does reach it somehow, it the nameservers responds somehow (i'd think...) |
| 04:05.36 | WormFood | sometimes the router will block the icmp return packet, for some reason |
| 04:05.43 | a773326b | yeah, I've a Windows box which works fine, though I set the IP settings manually (simply set an IP, subnet mask, router IP and DNS') |
| 04:05.51 | a773326b | hm. |
| 04:06.03 | a773326b | I can't "apt-get update" either though |
| 04:06.15 | markybob | a773326b, how did you set your network settings? |
| 04:06.46 | a773326b | in this box I did nothing, I just booted it, and it seems to have set the new IP correctly by itself (dhcpd did, I guess) |
| 04:07.13 | WormFood | please use the debian pastebin page and show me the output of route -n and ifconfig eth0 (or whatever your network interface is) |
| 04:08.01 | a773326b | but, after I entered "route add -net 0/0 gw 172.16.234.1" it now says (when trying "apt-get update" "failed to fetch [..] Network is unreachable". Previously (before "route add .. ", it simply said "Unable to connect to [..]". |
| 04:08.10 | a773326b | k, thx, wait up |
| 04:09.19 | WormFood | I believe the network unreachable is because the router returned that icmp code, and before it just timed out. I'm not sure, that's just a guess. |
| 04:10.04 | a773326b | http://pastebin.com/5xJivjsP |
| 04:10.22 | WormFood | that's not the debian page. |
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| 04:10.39 | a773326b | o, hm, url please? sry didn't know |
| 04:10.40 | WormFood | pastebin.com is blocked for me. I'm in China ;P |
| 04:10.44 | a773326b | o |
| 04:10.49 | a773326b | sry,sec hang on will try find.. |
| 04:11.02 | WormFood | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste |
| 04:11.09 | WormFood | it's in the channel topic :P |
| 04:11.10 | markybob | a773326b, for giggles, try /sbin/ifconfig eth0 172.16.234.4 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 04:12.06 | a773326b | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/936f15ab/ |
| 04:12.19 | a773326b | markybob: hm:d? thx (I guess)... hang on, will try....:p |
| 04:12.33 | a773326b | (hoping that won't "rm -rf /" or something in some fancy way:d (lol)) |
| 04:12.44 | markybob | a773326b, i'd be banned for life |
| 04:12.45 | a773326b | (..prty sure not, but.. had such "jokes" on me before :p) |
| 04:12.53 | a773326b | oo.. good:) lol:p |
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| 04:13.31 | WormFood | yeah, no default route |
| 04:13.41 | a773326b | markybob: still says "Network is unreacahable" ,"route -n" output appears the same |
| 04:13.54 | a773326b | (unreachable, when trying to ping google.com, I mean) |
| 04:14.03 | WormFood | what's the output of route -n, after you do route add -net 0/0 gw 172.16.234.1 |
| 04:15.30 | a773326b | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/301b28ea/ |
| 04:15.52 | a773326b | no difference, it seems...:s |
| 04:16.21 | WormFood | hhhmmm |
| 04:17.32 | WormFood | try route add -net 0/0 gw 172.16.234.1 dev eth0 |
| 04:17.36 | a773326b | as it now says "unreachable", vs. previously (before doing that) failed to connect... I'll try reboot it, maybe it'll reset whatevers changed? (assuming it did no good.. I dunno. When trying to ping Google.com now, it doesn't even resolve its IP, simply immediately says "Network is unreachable" |
| 04:17.40 | a773326b | k w8 up |
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| 04:17.49 | WormFood | That is rather odd |
| 04:18.12 | a773326b | "route -n" still the same, still says unreachable |
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| 04:18.46 | WormFood | try cat /proc/net/route and see if it has more than route -n |
| 04:19.46 | a773326b | typing just "dhcpd", not sure its unusual/error-msg or not, it does say "No subnet declaration for eth0 (172.16.234.4)." , "Ignoring requests on eth0. If this is not what you want, please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 is attached" , "Not configured to listen on any interfaces" |
| 04:19.59 | a773326b | not sure if this happened due to messing with route add .. stuff though^^ |
| 04:20.01 | a773326b | thanks, hang on will try |
| 04:20.18 | WormFood | and your windows machine got a 172.16.x.x address? |
| 04:20.30 | a773326b | seems to be in hex (?) , tho think its still the same (gateway = 00000000) |
| 04:20.39 | WormFood | yeah, it is in hex. |
| 04:20.51 | a773326b | yes, my windows box is 172.16.234.2 |
| 04:20.52 | WormFood | but, it should match, at least the lines |
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| 04:21.15 | WormFood | so, only one line in /proc/net/route? |
| 04:21.18 | a773326b | it can still ping both the router and ..234.2 (the IP from which Im connecting to the box thru Putty with) |
| 04:21.21 | a773326b | yep |
| 04:21.39 | WormFood | I have no idea why it won't add the route to the routing table |
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| 04:21.58 | markybob | i'm equally confused |
| 04:22.17 | WormFood | please post the output of: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:23.05 | a773326b | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/19a0ea50/ |
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| 04:24.03 | WormFood | for starters, you don't appear to have eth0 configured |
| 04:24.12 | a773326b | may be some security program I installed, or the fact its not plain debian (Kali) has something to do with it..? Sry, in fear of wasting ur time, in case it's some other (maybe obvious) reason for this... :\ I've no idea (bit newb to Linux in general..) |
| 04:24.15 | a773326b | huh. hmm |
| 04:24.16 | WormFood | Are you using Network Manager? Also, are you running a gui? |
| 04:24.35 | a773326b | well, it could resolve Google's IP at least..? And, before putting this new router in between the box it worked fine.. |
| 04:24.41 | a773326b | yeah Network Manager |
| 04:25.04 | markybob | oh |
| 04:25.07 | a773326b | no gui (I think.. at least Im doing this all from cmdline thru Putty now). I mostly do all from commandline |
| 04:25.08 | WormFood | So, it's not debian |
| 04:25.36 | a773326b | it is? it should be, I think.. ? or, is any debian-based distro no longer considered Debian, and may be all that different..? |
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| 04:27.14 | a773326b | actually I recently made the mistake of replacing Network-Manager with.. some other app., which took alot of work to sort back.. lol. Can't remember its name, by symantec, or something .. some other terrible (?) network manager of some kind, kept hanging the box and causing lots of problems.. lots of messing back n forth (can't remember all I did), it eventually got working again then..thx goodnes |
| 04:27.15 | shay_shay | there is only one debian |
| 04:27.18 | a773326b | ..for Network-Manager... |
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| 04:27.46 | markybob | a773326b, if you don't know there's no way we can know how to help you |
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| 04:28.01 | a773326b | oh, but.. if its Debian-based, such as Kali-Linux.. it's no longer considered "Debian", and may be all that different.. like a seperate one, and would have to inquire with the specific support team of that distro then? |
| 04:28.17 | markybob | a773326b, correct |
| 04:29.02 | a773326b | "Tails" (distro, Debian-based afaik) too, completely different.., no point asking here if any weird issues on that..? |
| 04:29.03 | WormFood | Ubuntu is also based on debian |
| 04:29.08 | a773326b | oh really.. |
| 04:29.10 | a773326b | :o |
| 04:29.20 | shay_shay | !tails |
| 04:29.20 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:29.36 | shay_shay | like that^ |
| 04:29.50 | WormFood | !kali |
| 04:29.50 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 04:30.05 | WormFood | !based on debian |
| 04:30.06 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 04:30.10 | a773326b | oo.. wow.. I didn't know... Debian must be pretty complex, then, if all these others (and Ubuntu..) is based on it, yet so different (possibly) :o |
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| 04:30.20 | a773326b | thanks btw..^ reading... |
| 04:30.24 | shay_shay | !raspbian |
| 04:30.24 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 04:30.28 | shay_shay | :D |
| 04:30.35 | shay_shay | you get the idea |
| 04:31.41 | a773326b | yeah.. k. sorry for wasting your time, then!:\ m THanks alot for all the answers anyway!:) |
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| 04:32.09 | a773326b | will try the sub-distro-specific chans instead,then,hopefully someone there can tell what's up.. :s |
| 04:33.08 | a773326b | have a good day btw, thx again for all the input!:) hoping to once learn all this stuff to debug it myself (linux, debugging processes and all, and networking in particular..).. hope to permanently switch from Windows asap.... =] |
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| 04:34.29 | a773326b | btw can anyone tell (sry say if off-topic,if I should leave, or anything..), if the "LUKS" default standard full-disk encryption is considered fairly secure, and assure filesystem resistance to forensic analysis? |
| 04:34.30 | shay_shay | a773326b: if you just use debian we can help you |
| 04:34.56 | shay_shay | a773326b: i.e. install debian not kali |
| 04:35.01 | a773326b | Hm. Would you suggest going on debian.org (the official site anyway), and get a plain Debian image to have on a box to learn from.. ? |
| 04:35.10 | a773326b | worthwhile..? |
| 04:35.34 | WormFood | get the live image, if you don't want to install it |
| 04:35.43 | shay_shay | yeah it's the best distro for learning debian with because it is debian :) |
| 04:35.45 | a773326b | k..thought as it was "debian based", it would be pretty much the same.. meh. hm, not sure if that's a good or bad thing.. |
| 04:35.55 | a773326b | what about BSD, that much more complex, or worthwhile...if at all comparable..? |
| 04:36.12 | WormFood | if your nic isn't supported by the free firmware, then download the unofficial debian netboot images with the non-free firmware to install with |
| 04:36.23 | WormFood | it's apples and oranges. |
| 04:36.38 | a773326b | k. I could prolly install it on a VM (VirtualBox or VMware ?), should be good enough to play with, right..not much diff from a normal install..? |
| 04:36.40 | shay_shay | well netbsd is good for some niche purposes ... but if you have to ask you probably won't find it useful |
| 04:36.56 | shay_shay | s/netbsd/openbsd |
| 04:36.56 | a773326b | k.. |
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| 04:37.48 | WormFood | it's all the same |
| 04:38.07 | a773326b | I don't like all these addons/programs n stuff I don't use, mainly.. like with Windows, theres a million programs, and it does connections in/out all the time which I don't know what is (some https so I can't view it, either), keeps reading and writing to log files (some obvious log files, others.. who knows what it does). Some likely updating n such,but... hate not knowing whats up (some day its |
| 04:38.17 | shay_shay | WormFood: I mean if he has to ask then he's not going to appreciate the differences |
| 04:38.17 | a773326b | ..a virus, and I wouldnt know to care as Id be so used to all the activity..) |
| 04:38.21 | WormFood | when you get right down to it...the kernel, pretty much does the same basic things, for all OSes. |
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| 04:38.37 | WormFood | shay_shay, I couldn't agree more. |
| 04:39.12 | a773326b | mk.. guess I got alot to learn, heh. :z Feasible by oneself, without taking classes I mean.. learning online only kinda?:d |
| 04:39.22 | a773326b | without leaving my desktop here at home, I mean:P |
| 04:40.05 | a773326b | so much complicated stuff, not sure how to get motivation to learn it all.. (like actually studying the man pages of the numerous tools...) =s |
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| 04:40.33 | a773326b | besides times like this, when I get issues, ofc..:d |
| 04:40.34 | WormFood | install debian, then install xen. install Windows under xen, and make vga passthrough work. Then you can run windows, and Linux on the same box. |
| 04:40.56 | a773326b | oh... hm. interesting.. cool. thx, wrote that down to check out l8rs!:)^^ |
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| 04:41.32 | a773326b | would that be like a Windows VM tho, likely laggy performance n such...? n not too different from vmware (or such)..? |
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| 04:42.16 | WormFood | totally different from vmware |
| 04:42.21 | WormFood | vmware workstation sucks. |
| 04:42.29 | a773326b | oh really |
| 04:42.52 | a773326b | cool.. =) so sounds like can expect improvements..awesome:) |
| 04:43.11 | a773326b | performance-wise... game-capable, or not as much? |
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| 04:43.20 | a773326b | gaming* |
| 04:43.40 | a773326b | (main thing that's been holding me back to WIndows so far..:( ) |
| 04:43.42 | WormFood | read up on vga pass through |
| 04:43.46 | a773326b | k |
| 04:43.47 | WormFood | with xen |
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| 04:44.39 | a773326b | cool..would be nice if it performed pretty well still (assuming box is high-end, if most games would work seemingly as usual....yay. but hm, will see! hope:) don't play too much nowadays anyway..(bad habit:p) |
| 04:45.15 | a773326b | also, any idea if there's been any serious independent audits of the LUKS FDE system, is it considered much safe by itself, or any known big vulnerabilities, if can tell? Common, or possible at all, to have any additional layers of FDE (Full-Disk-Encryption) in addition to that, besides other nested encrypted containers..? |
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| 04:46.19 | a773326b | (I'd guess so (that its considered pretty secure, but.. hm)). What about against "cold boot attacks", where they (immediately after, or before poweroff) submerge the RAM-sticks in liquid nitrogen to preserve data to recover encryption keys or sensitive data..that a worry as with most (?) other FDE,right? =s |
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| 04:47.12 | a773326b | may sound a bit paranoid.. but, gna be working on tamper-proofing my case, and possibly welding stuck certain components.. being the newb I am, hoping to not screw the whole box in the process..:p |
| 04:47.41 | a773326b | not sure how much if at all to count on the LUKS (default Linux disk-encryption system).. hmh. |
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| 04:57.27 | shay_shay | lots of people use luks |
| 04:57.34 | shay_shay | especially on laptops |
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| 04:57.54 | shay_shay | so people can steal their identity by stealing their laptop |
| 04:58.10 | shay_shay | cant |
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| 05:07.06 | gasull | Are there Debian packages for Firefox Developer edition? |
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| 05:24.21 | shay_shay | gasull: yes |
| 05:24.51 | gasull | shay_shay: Where? I can't find them. |
| 05:25.00 | shay_shay | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 05:25.08 | shay_shay | Aurora from experimental |
| 05:25.33 | shay_shay | this website will make a deb line for your sources.list.d/ for you |
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| 05:26.53 | shay_shay | e.g. I have Jessie so the wizard gave me this: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports iceweasel-aurora |
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| 05:27.28 | gasull | shay_shay: Thanks! |
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| 05:44.16 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:52.42 | gasull | shay_shay: what is the package? Just mozilla-browser? |
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| 05:53.14 | gasull | shay_shay: mozilla-firefox? |
| 05:54.11 | markybob | gasull, read the page. apt-get update && apt-get install -t jessie-backports iceweasel |
| 05:54.38 | markybob | that's what he was referring to |
| 05:54.51 | gasull | markybob: oops! Thank you. |
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| 05:56.19 | foreverska | Whenever I delete lxde-rc.xml it magically comes back. What specifically is doing this? |
| 05:57.05 | nkuttler | foreverska: some apps will write a default config file if they find none |
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| 06:01.20 | foreverska | Right but openbox's default config is rc.xml not lxde-rc.xml. It shouldn't care. Instead of booting rc.xml like it should it seems to put lxde-rc.xml back in and use it. |
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| 06:04.24 | charli | shay_shay: oh myï¼when did this happenï¼ i always download firefox manually. |
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| 06:11.15 | EREMEJA | #flood |
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| 06:15.34 | percY- | does debian have different levels of logging? |
| 06:16.32 | nkuttler | percY-: no, but different programs do |
| 06:16.40 | nkuttler | what do you want to log anyway? |
| 06:16.51 | percY- | I'm trying to figure out whats causing random reboots on my fileserver |
| 06:16.57 | nkuttler | mmh |
| 06:17.01 | percY- | Nothing is showing up in logs |
| 06:17.05 | percY- | I haven't replaced any hardware yet |
| 06:17.25 | percY- | I tried doing a memtest, and after 1 complete pass... it was on its second, |
| 06:17.29 | percY- | out of no where it rebooted |
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| 06:18.28 | msn | percY-: check /var/log/daemon.log and your application log |
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| 06:18.34 | msn | also check dmesg |
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| 06:18.43 | msn | and /var/log/syslog |
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| 06:19.00 | msn | and if you can monitor check your server IRQ handling |
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| 06:19.23 | percY- | nothing shows up in dmesg or syslog |
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| 06:23.31 | gasull | What I don't understand is why Firefox/Iceweasel Developer Edition package is still called "iceweasel" if it's a different software than the regular iceweasel. |
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| 06:23.47 | percY- | msn: http://puu.sh/kean7/69bbc27b2b.png |
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| 06:24.45 | jelly | percY-: if it rebooted during memtest86, it's... probably not anything on the linux side that's causing it |
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| 06:28.46 | percY- | jelly: that's what im thinking as well |
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| 06:52.53 | shay_shay | gasull: its a requirement of the licence Firefox is under. debian wants to backpoet security fixes to Firefox and in order to do that they have to change the name |
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| 06:53.24 | shay_shay | you pick, original name or moar security |
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| 06:57.17 | gasull | shay_shay: yeah |
| 06:59.27 | trewas | that's very much theoretical benefit, debian does not have the manpower to backport security fixes in firefox |
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| 07:01.28 | markybob | !why iceweasel |
| 07:01.29 | TylerDurden01 | Does the Unstable repo break often? |
| 07:01.29 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 07:01.47 | markybob | TylerDurden01, all the time. especially right now due to gcc5 transition |
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| 07:05.56 | deepy | Can I encrypt my harddrive while it's in use? |
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| 07:15.09 | babilen | deepy: No, you can however use tools such as ecryptfs or encfs to encrypt certain directories. A full disk encryption requires you to encrypt the disk and then migrate data later. |
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| 07:15.38 | babilen | (I personally wouldn't go the ecryptfs/encfs route, but decide yourself) |
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| 07:20.40 | Stummi | actually you should be able to encrypt a disk inplace while its not used by setting up luks (lets say /dev/sda1 to /dev/mapper/sda1-crypt") and then do something like "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/mapper/sda1-crypt bs=16M" - but you better do a backup before that :) |
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| 07:24.51 | jelly | Stummi: only if it's mounted read-only |
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| 07:25.19 | jelly | safe online migration would be possible if LVM was already in place |
| 07:25.28 | jelly | pvmove <3 |
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| 07:35.30 | Liquid_Glass | When I installed Debian last week I accidently installed gnome. I now have a Splash image that I have no idea how to get rid of. How do I go about removing the splash image and having it with the default black background with the blue box in the center? |
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| 07:41.24 | Nindustries | Hi everyone. Is there a way to mounf a ftp server that does work? I tried curlftpfs |
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| 07:47.21 | BenNZ | Nindustries: you can use curlftpfs , altho probably not in fstab but in a script called by /etc/rc.local perhaps |
| 07:47.43 | Nindustries | benaiah, I did use curlftpfs, but it wasn't useable |
| 07:47.58 | Nindustries | filesystem locking up, I/O errors, .. |
| 07:48.12 | Nindustries | I even downgraded to an older more stable version (1.9.1) |
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| 07:48.28 | Nindustries | And only the scritp |
| 07:48.38 | BenNZ | Nindustries: ok not sue then sorry , its been awhile since ive used ftp , found it to be slow |
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| 07:49.03 | Nindustries | Yeah, I was just testing out some 'unlimited' FTP server |
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| 07:52.01 | jelly | Nindustries: now you know why it's "unlimited" |
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| 08:00.01 | Nindustries | sighs |
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| 08:08.14 | TylerDurden01 | Would you guys consider Debian to be the de facto server distribution? |
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| 08:09.11 | Stummi | yes, the debian guys will probably think debian is a good server distribution |
| 08:09.20 | Stummi | and me too |
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| 08:13.35 | TylerDurden01 | I'm thinking of turncoating and switch from Archlinux to Debian. My only gripe with Debian so far (from installing it on another PC) is the lack of some packages and the old versions. |
| 08:13.46 | amicuscuriae | hi |
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| 08:14.49 | TylerDurden01 | I hope testing will be what I'm searching for |
| 08:15.51 | bezaban | TylerDurden01: sounds like you might want a rolling release distribution. Testing will also standardize on package versions and at a point freeze |
| 08:16.49 | bezaban | standardize wasn't a good word |
| 08:17.07 | TylerDurden01 | bezaban: what do you mean by "at a point freeze"? |
| 08:18.28 | bezaban | TylerDurden01: when a good candidate version for stable is found it will stay that version, and also after a point in testings life cycle there is a freeze, where no new package versions will be added |
| 08:20.10 | TylerDurden01 | bezaban: so I should use unstable? |
| 08:21.01 | bezaban | TylerDurden01: no, if you want the newest and freshest packages you should look at a distribution that is rolling release. |
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| 08:23.21 | TylerDurden01 | bezaban: I still don't understand what you're trying to say about the "freeze". You mean that some packages in testing will be frozen so that they may be included in the next major Debian version and thus I'll have to reinstall the new version and install the new testing packages of the new version? |
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| 08:25.48 | bezaban | TylerDurden01: at a point all packages in testing will be frozen before it becomes the next stable. At that point there is no new testing until it is finished. Also a completely fresh testing distribution is in my experience not always a pleasure to work with |
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| 08:26.08 | Nindustries | So I was wondering.. is there an application dedicated to webdav serving? |
| 08:26.15 | Nindustries | I want to do access regulation, monitoring, .. |
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| 08:26.34 | bezaban | it is not a rolling release that gets the new versions as they are released, it is a stable in progress. So if you have problems with stable packages not updating frequently enough testing won't necissarily help you. |
| 08:26.53 | bezaban | necessarily |
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| 08:27.30 | TylerDurden01 | bezaban: oh. I'm fine with new-ish if newest isn't possible, then. |
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| 08:28.21 | bezaban | TylerDurden01: ah right. just keep in mind that arch is a rolling release, while debian is not |
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| 08:39.31 | Savemech | guys as i assume, there is no gui tools to make preseed config, like kickstart does? |
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| 08:55.58 | Mohamed_DZ | is stability from distro or depends to usage of user? |
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| 08:59.51 | Mohamed_DZ | Debian didn't use the latest programs, is this bad? because the updates fix issues |
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| 09:03.04 | Jonno_FTW | hi is it possible to do a net install of testing or unstable? |
| 09:03.28 | themill | sometimes, often not. |
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| 09:04.16 | rozie | Jonno_FTW: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:04.30 | rozie | "Current daily snapshots" |
| 09:04.58 | rozie | but usual way is to install stable, then upgrade |
| 09:05.11 | Jonno_FTW | I don't like waiting around for ages for things to install |
| 09:05.20 | Jonno_FTW | plus my internet is not the fastest |
| 09:05.43 | rozie | you can also use debootstrap |
| 09:06.14 | rozie | this also is very lightweight |
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| 09:08.20 | Jonno_FTW | rozie: I'm on windows currently so I can't really |
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| 09:10.07 | Jonno_FTW | also, how do I tell net installer to not install some packages? |
| 09:10.10 | Jonno_FTW | like libreoffice |
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| 09:13.29 | g00se | Why not just tell it to install what you DO want? |
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| 09:14.02 | Jonno_FTW | because if you tell netinstall you want a desktop environment it assumes you want libreoffice, I want everything except this package |
| 09:14.11 | themill | Jonno_FTW: the installer only installs the base system plus what you ask it to |
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| 09:16.01 | deepy | you could choose not to install desktop and then when you're done decide to install your desktop environment of choice |
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| 09:16.07 | Jonno_FTW | might have to |
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| 09:21.45 | xzork | hey |
| 09:21.46 | xzork | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 09:22.16 | xzork | here under the section "How do I write an ISO image under Windows?" |
| 09:22.44 | xzork | one of the programs recommended for burning ISO is full of virus |
| 09:22.49 | xzork | is there a place that i can complain about this |
| 09:23.18 | Jonno_FTW | try messaging the mailing list |
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| 09:23.35 | xzork | ok |
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| 09:54.09 | grepwood | hi |
| 09:54.15 | grepwood | is there 64bit kexec for ppc? |
| 09:54.28 | grepwood | need to kexec a kernel on ppc64 and there's only 32bit kexec in apt |
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| 09:57.34 | brontosaurusrex | Some testers needed for this isLaptop script https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brontosaurusrex/postbang/master/bin/isLaptop (trying to figure out reliability) |
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| 09:58.04 | brontosaurusrex | It should return nothing on an UPS powered system as well |
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| 09:58.18 | brontosaurusrex | And nothing on desktop |
| 09:58.31 | themill | ,i laptop-detect |
| 09:58.32 | judd | Package laptop-detect (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: attempt to detect a laptop. Version: 0.13.7; Size: 5.1k; Installed: 56k |
| 09:58.40 | brontosaurusrex | themill: needs root |
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| 09:59.25 | themill | doesn't here |
| 09:59.50 | brontosaurusrex | let me try |
| 10:00.11 | hypermist | I know this isnt proxmox support but. question. I have a proxmox server that i use for VE, and i just created a new VM on it, and when i try ssh to it. it Connection refuses intantly, i dont know really how to setup networks on debian i have never done it and i need some halp XD |
| 10:00.52 | themill | brontosaurusrex: also, your script fails on my laptop but laptop-detect (as a user) works fine. |
| 10:01.06 | brontosaurusrex | themill: thanks |
| 10:01.20 | themill | (I have no /proc/acpi/battery/) |
| 10:02.16 | Peio | I'm having sound quality issues after a reboot in stretch |
| 10:02.22 | Peio | I have no idea how to diagnose this :( |
| 10:02.27 | Peio | sound is just terrible quality |
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| 10:11.05 | hypermist | can i be pointed in the right location for configuring network interfaces |
| 10:11.06 | hypermist | lol |
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| 10:13.48 | pkv | hypermist => Do you have network-manager disable on your proxmox server? (not the vm) |
| 10:14.27 | hypermist | Well i could set the network to ip or bridge |
| 10:15.01 | ZitZ | s/quit |
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| 10:18.03 | canis_lupus | hi |
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| 10:18.36 | canis_lupus | i have a strange problem, apache during creating files ignore sticky bit - why? |
| 10:18.49 | hypermist | i dont really know pkv |
| 10:18.56 | hypermist | I've never used proxmox |
| 10:19.05 | hypermist | IF i can edit the interfaces inside the vm itself |
| 10:19.08 | hypermist | How can i do that ? |
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| 10:23.30 | pkv | ha..thought you have problem to configure proxmox server not the guest vm |
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| 10:23.46 | hypermist | yea its the guest vm pkv :\ |
| 10:24.09 | pkv | you can access to your vm with the proxmox web client and open a console (i think it need java ^^) |
| 10:24.22 | pkv | and check your network config |
| 10:24.39 | hypermist | I have to ssh into it via putty |
| 10:24.57 | pkv | ip a s on the os for example and route -n ...try ping machine of your network |
| 10:25.03 | hypermist | I can ping it |
| 10:25.06 | hypermist | But thing is i can't ssh it |
| 10:25.07 | hypermist | xD |
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| 10:25.35 | pkv | telnet ip 22 , port is closed? ^^ |
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| 10:26.33 | hypermist | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable from inside the vm itself pkv ;\ |
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| 10:44.12 | gnuson | hi |
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| 10:49.39 | wrksx | hey guys, I'm looking for a csplit tip. I'm trying to split a file containing historical data, each line start with a year (4digits). I'd like to split the file on each year change so I have a file for each year |
| 10:50.22 | wrksx | I've read the doc and thought "Damn that must be impossible" |
| 10:50.29 | hypermist | i can't ssh to it still pkv |
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| 10:50.36 | wrksx | but maybe one of you have a clever idea ? |
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| 10:53.42 | HoloIRCUser5 | বাল |
| 10:54.02 | hypermist | what do i do about ssh not working ? |
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| 10:56.48 | planetmaker | hypermist, checking /etc/ssh/sshd.config? |
| 10:57.04 | hypermist | planetmaker, well i'll check that in a moment iguess maybe i failed |
| 10:57.04 | hypermist | XD |
| 10:57.21 | planetmaker | hypermist, though it depends on what exactly you mean with "ssh not working". That's not a proper error description |
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| 10:58.00 | planetmaker | but I didn't read back. /me does now |
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| 10:58.55 | HoloIRCUser5 | Contact ur ISP. |
| 10:59.26 | planetmaker | yes... you might need some info on how the network is established in the hypervisor. Thus you need to know which IP to use |
| 11:00.05 | planetmaker | but if that's set, and there's no network filter or firewall to filter out stuff, you can do pretty anything |
| 11:00.12 | planetmaker | just like it were a normal machine |
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| 11:00.46 | rozie | hypermist: check logs. telnet 22 from localhost. telnet 22 from remote host |
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| 11:17.24 | p0rt | hi guys, I'm setting up a school network and I don't know what services to use |
| 11:17.33 | p0rt | It's going to have file server |
| 11:17.34 | p0rt | like |
| 11:17.45 | p0rt | user is logginig on computer |
| 11:17.58 | p0rt | computer gets his files from server |
| 11:18.05 | p0rt | and then user works on remote content |
| 11:18.43 | p0rt | I was thinking about configuring http/ftp server and integrating it with login manager |
| 11:19.08 | p0rt | Is it a good idea, or you have something better? |
| 11:19.41 | jelly | p0rt: Common options for general file serving are Samba (CIFS) and nfs. |
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| 11:19.58 | jelly | Making nfs reliable can be a hard task. |
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| 11:20.18 | p0rt | I couldn't find anything abou nfs though |
| 11:20.32 | p0rt | jelly: I was thinking about samba, but is it worth all configuring? |
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| 11:21.21 | jelly | don't know what's it worth to you |
| 11:21.21 | elfranne | anyone got recent info how to use geoip with iptables ? i only found an article from 2007 : https://www.debian-administration.org/article/518/Country-based_packet_filtering_with_iptables |
| 11:22.23 | p0rt | jelly: It has to be fast to configure, because I am a student and I can't stay in computer room alone - school rules |
| 11:22.50 | p0rt | jelly: and our admin is not very into computers, so it has to be easy to administrate |
| 11:23.13 | p0rt | jelly: Samba looks interesting though |
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| 11:28.52 | korhojoa | p0rt: well. it's certainly easy to configure |
| 11:29.16 | korhojoa | nfs is a pain in the butt if you're gonna have individual workstations mapping shares |
| 11:29.24 | p0rt | korhojoa: there comes second problem - lightDM integration |
| 11:29.51 | p0rt | I think users would be happy if they don't have to log in 2 times |
| 11:30.46 | korhojoa | p0rt: so you're setting this up on your own? |
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| 11:32.14 | p0rt | korhojoa: yup |
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| 11:33.23 | korhojoa | so you run ldap? |
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| 11:33.35 | korhojoa | or ad or something |
| 11:34.25 | p0rt | korhojoa: man, I have no idea what you are talking about, I've never setting up this :/ |
| 11:35.25 | p0rt | ldap is some auth method? |
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| 11:36.28 | jelly | p0rt: it's a place to store info about users shared among multiple systems; auth method is secondary but yes it's also that |
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| 11:37.09 | korhojoa | how were you thinking of setting up logins otherwise? |
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| 11:37.25 | p0rt | oh, so I can set up login manager to send data to ldap/server |
| 11:37.33 | p0rt | am I roght? |
| 11:37.40 | korhojoa | a school probably has quite a few users, so you're going to need some kind of authentication server, unless you want to locally maintain every user's account |
| 11:37.43 | korhojoa | yes |
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| 11:38.33 | korhojoa | this probably requires some further reading if you're going to use some centrally managed logon system |
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| 11:39.19 | p0rt | korhojoa: there will be ~400 users |
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| 11:40.00 | p0rt | korhojoa: Tell me if I think right |
| 11:40.04 | p0rt | korhojoa: when user logs into samba |
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| 11:40.27 | korhojoa | for your own sanity, i'd hope you set something like single sign-on |
| 11:41.01 | p0rt | korhojoa: He de facto auths to LDAP, and when authentication goes succesful he gets samba folder |
| 11:41.10 | jelly | p0rt: it's basically 2-3 complex components, each a month's worth on investigating and setting up |
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| 11:42.02 | p0rt | jelly: Ok, thank you, I'll read something about all of this, because thing seems more complicate than I thought first |
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| 11:42.33 | korhojoa | it's gonna be difficult, but it's a great learning experience |
| 11:42.37 | korhojoa | oh. well. nevermind then. |
| 11:43.06 | jelly | a great CV entry, too |
| 11:43.31 | TomyWork | I want to make a package break another package below a certain version, including its beta and snapshot builds (with a ~). do i use (<< 1.2.3~) or is there a way to not have the ~ in that condition? |
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| 11:44.39 | me-1 | hi...how do I known what version of Debian I am using and how to upgrade to latest version |
| 11:44.55 | TomyWork | cat /etc/release or something |
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| 11:45.04 | TomyWork | or debian-release maybe |
| 11:45.21 | TomyWork | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:48.48 | jelly | TomyWork: why not just (<< 1.2.3) |
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| 11:49.31 | amicuscuriae | how can we check if our debian installation has been compromised? |
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| 11:49.55 | jelly | amicuscuriae: that's a NP hard question |
| 11:50.22 | korhojoa | but P=NP, right? |
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| 11:51.35 | TheLemonMan | if you divide both sides by P you get N=1 |
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| 11:52.36 | korhojoa | :D That's the real life hack. |
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| 11:55.45 | elfranne | I am getting this error in a log file but not really sure what it actually means : Makefile:402: recipe for target 'configure' failed |
| 11:56.49 | Knaldgas | Hmm, made an "aptitude install -t unstable <package>", but trying to downgrade again: "aptitude install -t stretch <package>" it just tells me that: "<package> is already installed at the requested version (<unstable version>)". |
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| 11:57.06 | Knaldgas | o_O |
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| 11:58.38 | SynrG | elfranne: what made that log? Looks like you were building a source package without first making some files needed for the build |
| 11:59.30 | SynrG | Knaldgas: use packagename=version instead of target to downgrade |
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| 12:00.01 | SynrG | apt doesn't do downgrades unless forced to by explicit version# |
| 12:00.51 | elfranne | SynrG, Trying to build the geop addon for iptables |
| 12:01.08 | Knaldgas | SynrG: Yeah that worked, but when using "-t <dist>" to upgrade, I did expect it to downgrade that way as well |
| 12:01.12 | SynrG | Checked out of git or so? |
| 12:01.45 | jelly | elfranne: with iptables-dev installed? |
| 12:02.04 | elfranne | jelly maybe not ... i ll check that |
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| 12:02.36 | elfranne | jelly, it is installed |
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| 12:02.54 | SynrG | Knaldgas: target adjusts pin priorities only. So it doesn't guarantee an install from the names release. It is only a "suggestion" |
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| 12:03.13 | SynrG | Named* |
| 12:03.32 | jelly | elfranne: and build-essential? |
| 12:03.42 | elfranne | SynrG, jelly : i used this http://pastebin.com/ShCY4T2e |
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| 12:04.12 | elfranne | jelly, build-essential is getting installed by the module-assistant prepare |
| 12:04.16 | Knaldgas | SynrG: Ok, thanks :) |
| 12:04.36 | jelly | ,v xtables-addons-dkms |
| 12:04.37 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.42-2; jessie: 2.6-1; sid: 2.8-1; stretch: 2.8-1 |
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| 12:05.04 | jelly | elfranne: ^^ I'd go with that instead of -source, dkms is a _slightly_ newer kernel module building way |
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| 12:07.21 | elfranne | jelly, so i don t need to compile the module if a use the -dkms package ? haven't found any documentation on how to install geoip for iptables that is not from 2007 (or so ) |
| 12:07.21 | jelly | elfranne: but it's quite possible debian just has an outdated or broken version of xtables-addons that just doesn't work with the distro kernel |
| 12:07.35 | jelly | elfranne: you'll still build it, with dkms |
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| 12:09.22 | elfranne | jelly, ok so i don t need all that extra only install the dkms |
| 12:09.31 | elfranne | jelly, thanks |
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| 12:14.04 | TomyWork | jelly there are snapshot versions like 1.2.3~SNAPSHOT201509171413 |
| 12:14.30 | TomyWork | and i want to treat those equally to 1.2.3 |
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| 12:18.39 | intelikey | every time i login to a gui i get a message window saying "No session for pid 2143" some times the number is changed slightly. i can press the [OK] button or x out the window but i want to know what is causing it. anyone have any dias "knowlage" about this ? |
| 12:19.16 | jelly | TomyWork: do you want to Breaks exactly 1.2.3 or not, and do you want to Break 1.2.3~SNAPSHOT201509171413 or not? |
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| 12:27.04 | elfranne | i changed the hostname in /etc/hostname and rebooted but hostname -A gives me the hostname given by the ISP but sysctl kernel.hostname gives the correct one |
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| 12:28.12 | intelikey | so this is actually a bug. not just my setup. ok. thanks all. |
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| 12:29.17 | TomyWork | jelly i want to break neither of them, but all 1.2.2* versions and before |
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| 12:29.38 | TomyWork | i.e. everything lower than 1.2.3 |
| 12:30.47 | TomyWork | elfranne there's /etc/hosts |
| 12:31.02 | TomyWork | the first name after 127.0.1.1 counts, iirc |
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| 12:39.10 | afidegnum | hello, please I download the full debian installation, how can i prepare it on a USb disc soI can install it on windows 8, /dual boot? |
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| 12:41.27 | jelly | TomyWork: 1.2.3~ is lower than 1.2.3, but you don't want to break those... so you original idea seems correct |
| 12:41.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell elfranne about hostname |
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| 12:42.45 | elfranne | TomyWork, hostname is also configured |
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| 12:46.30 | Jonno_FTW | so I tried to install a netinstall, but every time it gets to the "detecting hardware" part and is stuck at 0% |
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| 12:51.38 | amicuscuriae | Does Debian comes with TCL by default? |
| 12:51.40 | amicuscuriae | I mean pre-installed? |
| 12:52.02 | g00se | Jonno_FTW: That has happened to me with closed chipsets. Takes a long while to detect them |
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| 12:52.45 | Marqin | !ssb |
| 12:52.46 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:52.57 | Marqin | "Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!);" why for sid and not testing? |
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| 12:53.38 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: depends what you mean by "by default" |
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| 12:54.16 | themill | Marqin: you can use whatever release you want to get the source package from. A "simple sid backport" would be taking a package from sid though. |
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| 12:54.24 | amicuscuriae | abrotman, pre-isntalled? |
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| 12:54.27 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: you'd have to give us more information about which installation media and hwich options you used |
| 12:54.29 | Jonno_FTW | g00se: how long are we talking? |
| 12:54.38 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: are you trying to compile something? |
| 12:54.58 | amicuscuriae | Automatically installed: yes <-- does it mean it came pre-installed with it? |
| 12:54.58 | g00se | minutes |
| 12:55.05 | no_gravity | is "apt-get install virtualbox" the right way to get the virtual machine player? |
| 12:55.14 | amicuscuriae | abrotman, I am using Gnome Default ISO |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: dpkg -l | grep tcl |
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| 12:56.30 | amicuscuriae | ok then abrotman ? |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: what do you see? What are you trying to do? |
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| 12:57.05 | amicuscuriae | abrotman, I am trying to find out whether or not debian comes with TCL installed or not? |
| 12:57.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:57.33 | amicuscuriae | I just wana know |
| 12:57.38 | abrotman | then I told oyu how |
| 12:57.40 | amicuscuriae | I wana know how to know |
| 12:57.43 | abrotman | good luck |
| 12:57.43 | amicuscuriae | no you did not |
| 12:57.45 | themill | amicuscuriae: "default" makes no sense in this case. |
| 12:57.48 | amicuscuriae | I might have installed it |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: dpkg -l | grep tcl ; that will show you if it's installed |
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| 12:58.05 | abrotman | if you installed it, that doesn't sound "default" |
| 12:58.12 | amicuscuriae | abrotman, you are not getting my point |
| 12:58.21 | abrotman | Yes, I'm the problem ... |
| 12:58.23 | amicuscuriae | My point is whether TCL comes with debian pre-installed |
| 12:58.27 | amicuscuriae | like Python |
| 12:58.32 | themill | amicuscuriae: python doesn't |
| 12:58.35 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: the headers? the libraries? |
| 12:58.39 | amicuscuriae | python is always there on Debian you don't have to install it |
| 12:58.42 | themill | no |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: not true |
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| 12:59.10 | amicuscuriae | themill, abrotman type lua in bash and you would find out what I am talking about |
| 12:59.23 | abrotman | i will? |
| 12:59.25 | amicuscuriae | ok I think |
| 12:59.35 | amicuscuriae | ok I think aptitude show app |
| 12:59.38 | amicuscuriae | shows something |
| 12:59.40 | abrotman | because, command not found is pretty normal |
| 12:59.45 | themill | amicuscuriae: until you can explain why you want to know, you won't get a satisfactory answer. |
| 12:59.48 | amicuscuriae | Automatically installed = yes |
| 12:59.52 | abrotman | no |
| 13:00.00 | SirLagz | gets the popcorn |
| 13:00.02 | Marqin | themill: that would make sense, sid is more predictable then testing |
| 13:00.27 | bazhang | ,v virtualbox |
| 13:00.27 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: I can give you a "default" debian installatoin that won't have tcl or python .. what's your point? |
| 13:00.28 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; |
| 13:00.29 | judd | stretch/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2 |
| 13:00.32 | amicuscuriae | themill, it is basically simple, Whether or not Debian Gnome ISO installs TCL automatically with default settings or not |
| 13:00.42 | amicuscuriae | but you are dragging it to a sick level |
| 13:00.44 | themill | amicuscuriae: that's a different question. |
| 13:01.16 | amicuscuriae | same question just kid's edition of it |
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| 13:01.29 | themill | no, it's a question that might actually have an answer |
| 13:01.45 | amicuscuriae | my other question was how to find out |
| 13:01.54 | amicuscuriae | I think aptitude show package -- shows it |
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| 13:02.36 | SirLagz | amicuscuriae: < abrotman> amicuscuriae: dpkg -l | grep tcl <-- abrotman told you how to find it 20 minutes ago |
| 13:03.00 | amicuscuriae | SirLagz, What does it show?? |
| 13:03.08 | amicuscuriae | Would it also include the software which I installed? |
| 13:03.08 | SirLagz | amicuscuriae: whether you have tcl installed or not |
| 13:03.13 | amicuscuriae | No |
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| 13:03.18 | amicuscuriae | You are not getting my point too |
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| 13:03.30 | SirLagz | amicuscuriae: you just asked how to find out whether it's installed or not? |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: aptitude why foo ; that might be more what you're after |
| 13:03.41 | amicuscuriae | my point is whether or not Debian NOT me but Debian's set installs it automatically with default settings or not |
| 13:03.53 | abrotman | throws things at OpenDKIM |
| 13:03.54 | SirLagz | amicuscuriae: and now you're back at the question with no answer |
| 13:04.01 | amicuscuriae | boooooooo |
| 13:04.03 | amicuscuriae | Ok |
| 13:04.06 | amicuscuriae | whatever |
| 13:04.12 | abrotman | amicuscuriae: again, this will still depend on the optoins you choose at install time |
| 13:04.12 | amicuscuriae | I have the answer already |
| 13:04.19 | amicuscuriae | aptitude show app -- shows it |
| 13:04.20 | amicuscuriae | thanks |
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| 13:04.58 | themill | "automatically installed" does not mean what you think it means |
| 13:05.12 | amicuscuriae | abrotman, thanks for aptitude why |
| 13:05.22 | amicuscuriae | themill, ok then |
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| 13:05.29 | abrotman | holy god .. aptitude show is not remotely what you're after |
| 13:05.37 | SirLagz | abrotman: heh |
| 13:07.43 | amicuscuriae | ok |
| 13:08.07 | amicuscuriae | Has anyone of you tried "Linux kernel v 4.x" with Debian Stable from the backports? |
| 13:08.16 | abrotman | no one, ever .. |
| 13:08.22 | abrotman | But if they had, what would you want to know? |
| 13:08.32 | themill | amicuscuriae: you really need to work at asking questions that are likely to get answers. |
| 13:09.49 | afidegnum | please any answer about my issue? |
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| 13:10.12 | SirLagz | afidegnum: what was your issue? |
| 13:10.18 | amicuscuriae | I want to know if it would bring any improvement in with i5-4130 Laptop? |
| 13:10.38 | afidegnum | I have downloaded the full ISO image of the latest debian and I want to boot them via USB |
| 13:10.43 | SirLagz | amicuscuriae: the answer to this question is 'try it and find out' |
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| 13:10.45 | afidegnum | they are about 10Gb |
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| 13:11.17 | amicuscuriae | afidegnum, use dd to create live USB |
| 13:11.22 | amicuscuriae | or bootable USB |
| 13:11.25 | amicuscuriae | and enjoy |
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| 13:11.35 | afidegnum | I am currently on windows, |
| 13:11.44 | amicuscuriae | afidegnum, ok then use unetbootin |
| 13:11.46 | themill | dpkg: tell afidegnum about win32diskimager |
| 13:11.51 | amicuscuriae | a GUI software it would help you |
| 13:11.56 | themill | amicuscuriae: please stop "helping" |
| 13:12.03 | SirLagz | no, don't use unetbootin with the new ISO images. |
| 13:12.06 | themill | afidegnum: don't use unetbootin, it is known to fail horribly |
| 13:12.15 | amicuscuriae | it worked for me |
| 13:12.29 | afidegnum | ok |
| 13:12.30 | themill | that's nice |
| 13:12.46 | themill | feel free to tell that to all the people for whom it does not work |
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| 13:13.43 | afidegnum | the isssue i am facing heree, is there are 3 series of the Image files, |
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| 13:14.07 | afidegnum | the previous USB boot tool installed only prepare the boot for only one image file not the other 2 |
| 13:14.08 | amicuscuriae | afidegnum, http://rufus.akeo.ie/ this is what I use these days though |
| 13:14.17 | afidegnum | ok |
| 13:14.28 | themill | ffs |
| 13:14.41 | themill | don't use rufus either, it has the same problems from what we can see |
| 13:14.55 | themill | how about just using the tools that we recommend because we know they work? |
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| 13:15.09 | amicuscuriae | themill, What would that be? |
| 13:15.17 | amicuscuriae | afidegnum, start with 1st image? |
| 13:15.45 | afidegnum | ok, |
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| 13:16.24 | JoelJo | i would like to add a gpg public key for some applications because of the error messages, how to do it? |
| 13:16.57 | rommel092079 | hello good day debian. I would like to know more about debian administration and I am looking for video tutorials on torrent or any sites where I can download and study. All I got was with redhat and suse. Can anybody help me where I can find debian administration video tutorial ? |
| 13:17.05 | amicuscuriae | afidegnum, or just download http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
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| 13:17.33 | jelly | themill: I suppose it would probably be easier to change debian's images to work with unetbootin and others, than the other way round |
| 13:17.43 | amicuscuriae | ++ |
| 13:17.51 | amicuscuriae | it works with most of them |
| 13:17.58 | themill | and lose the ability for them to work on usb sticks without using unetbootin? |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | or, just destroy unetbootin |
| 13:18.54 | jelly | regressions are unacceptable |
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| 13:19.21 | abrotman | you have your solution, I have mine :) |
| 13:19.23 | themill | (we managed to get rid of it from jessie... now just nuke from orbit) |
| 13:19.46 | amicuscuriae | I think Debian pretty stable |
| 13:19.52 | amicuscuriae | unlike Ubuntu |
| 13:19.56 | amicuscuriae | Ubuntu sucks |
| 13:20.07 | themill | amicuscuriae: perhaps you wanted ##chat |
| 13:20.19 | amicuscuriae | themill, no I did not |
| 13:20.25 | amicuscuriae | I am just saying |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | try not to |
| 13:20.36 | amicuscuriae | Ok |
| 13:21.01 | amicuscuriae | I am just wondering if it would be safe to use Linux 4 from backports |
| 13:21.18 | rommel092079 | hello good day debian. I would like to know more about debian administration and I am looking for video tutorials on torrent or any sites where I can download and study. All I got was with redhat and suse. Can anybody help me where I can find debian administration video tutorial ? |
| 13:21.19 | themill | of course not, backports only contains packages that are known to be dangerous. |
| 13:21.26 | amicuscuriae | ok |
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| 13:25.01 | JoelJo | backports are dangerous?? they are just newer packages took from the testing branch and secured for the stable use. Isn't it?? |
| 13:25.22 | Brigo | JoelJo, yes, they are. |
| 13:25.22 | amicuscuriae | JoelJo, I don't think so |
| 13:25.29 | amicuscuriae | not exactly |
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| 13:25.40 | amicuscuriae | Iceweasel from Backport is different |
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| 13:26.39 | themill | amicuscuriae: iceweasel isn't in backports.debian.org at all. |
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| 13:27.16 | lesta | heh |
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| 13:33.10 | JoelJo | debian just advise to use backport for few packages because they are not tested so much as the stable branch but just took from the testing branch and secured at their best. That's it. If you use few popular backport packages like Iceweasel it should be very stable and secure |
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| 13:33.44 | amicuscuriae | themill, oh it is there in other repo sorry its own repo |
| 13:37.19 | oxachloren | ,i iceweasel |
| 13:37.20 | judd | Package iceweasel (web, optional) in jessie/amd64: Web browser based on Firefox. Version: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; Size: 38371.0k; Installed: 88527k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iceweasel |
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| 13:40.17 | JoelJo | judd, the new backport iceweasel is the 40.0.3 |
| 13:40.57 | judd | Yes, I know |
| 13:41.24 | oxachloren | ,v iceweasel |
| 13:41.25 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.2.1esr-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0.3-3~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0.3-3 |
| 13:42.06 | JoelJo | yes |
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| 13:44.58 | Katharsis | yo |
| 13:45.22 | Katharsis | anybody can help me with wifi on debian8? wlan0 is not found; i installed a few drivers but problem isn't solved |
| 13:45.53 | oxachloren | Well, you should probably tell us more about hardware. |
| 13:45.56 | Katharsis | ok |
| 13:45.59 | Katharsis | questions? |
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| 13:47.08 | Katharsis | which of the output you need? |
| 13:47.11 | Katharsis | lshw? |
| 13:47.16 | Katharsis | ifconfig / iwconfig? |
| 13:47.18 | Katharsis | which of them? |
| 13:47.31 | oxachloren | ifconfig would be nice for a check too. |
| 13:47.37 | oxachloren | Just to make sure it's there. |
| 13:47.56 | Katharsis | oxachloren: ifconfig display eth0 and lo only |
| 13:48.17 | SirLagz | Katharsis: what about ifconfig -a ? |
| 13:48.55 | oxachloren | lspci, please? |
| 13:49.23 | Katharsis | SirLagz: the same results |
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| 13:50.05 | Katharsis | oxachloren: http://pastebin.com/gJ5r9TRm |
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| 13:50.55 | Katharsis | Qualcomm Atheros isn't it ;>? |
| 13:51.56 | oxachloren | Broadcom. |
| 13:51.59 | oxachloren | Well, yes. |
| 13:52.25 | themill | Katharsis: "lspci -nn" is more helpful |
| 13:53.40 | Katharsis | themill: http://pastebin.com/jgPcyyzb |
| 13:54.10 | themill | ,pciid 168c:003e |
| 13:54.11 | judd | [168c:003e] is 'QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:003e |
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| 13:54.41 | themill | that's a bad sign |
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| 13:55.47 | Katharsis | ;/ |
| 13:55.55 | Katharsis | so, any ideas what can I do? |
| 13:56.09 | Katharsis | eth0 is working but ... |
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| 13:56.33 | g00se | Use different wireless hardware |
| 13:57.33 | Katharsis | g00se: i done it 5 times |
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| 13:57.45 | g00se | Done what 5 times? |
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| 13:58.53 | Katharsis | g00se: i installed firwamre-wifi, brodcast-wifi (or like that), acer-firmware |
| 13:58.56 | Katharsis | dosn't work |
| 13:59.04 | Katharsis | all tips were from stack |
| 13:59.09 | oxachloren | modprobe ath9k |
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| 13:59.39 | Katharsis | oxachloren: done |
| 13:59.44 | Katharsis | reboot and nothing |
| 13:59.46 | themill | Katharsis: the suggestion was to try "different hardware" not try random drivers that are unrelated to this hardware |
| 14:00.02 | Katharsis | themill: so what does it mean different ;) |
| 14:00.14 | g00se | Different==not the same |
| 14:00.42 | oxachloren | Most searches come up with USB WiFi stick. |
| 14:01.00 | oxachloren | Seems like no one has ever made it work yet, Katharsis. |
| 14:01.05 | g00se | If you're near an access point try a 'nano' usb adapter. If not, something bigger |
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| 14:01.16 | JoelJo | I would like to add a gpg public key for some applications because of the error messages, how to do it? |
| 14:01.37 | oxachloren | Katharsis, have you tried modprobe ath10k? |
| 14:02.14 | oxachloren | Seems like ath10k will be merged into mainline kernel, but I don't know when. |
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| 14:02.58 | oxachloren | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1383184/+index?comments=all |
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| 14:03.08 | oxachloren | There is a very long discussion here, but look at the comment #150. |
| 14:03.26 | oxachloren | It has some really long instructions, you should try it. |
| 14:03.33 | g00se | JoelJo: pastebin errors? |
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| 14:06.15 | Katharsis | oxachloren: rly? there is no simpler way? |
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| 14:06.52 | JoelJo | g00se, error in the terminal when I update the packages |
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| 14:08.42 | asdad | Hello |
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| 14:09.48 | oxachloren | Katharsis, you can wait for patch to be merged into mainline kernel. |
| 14:09.57 | oxachloren | Until then you have to compile it yourself. |
| 14:11.21 | Katharsis | :D |
| 14:11.25 | asdad | So i want to keep my Debian installation as free as possible, i installed the drivers from the nonfree repo because im using a mac. How can i go back to not being able to install non free software again? |
| 14:11.31 | oxachloren | And there are no guarantees that this will work either, just in case. |
| 14:11.44 | asdad | my repos are deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 14:11.56 | oxachloren | Just remove contrib and non-free. |
| 14:12.09 | oxachloren | Why would you do it on Macbook though. |
| 14:12.33 | asdad | oxachloren: Because the wireless driver didnt work |
| 14:12.49 | asdad | Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 |
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| 14:14.25 | asdad | oxachloren: What will happen if i just delete the non-free part and leave the contrib there? |
| 14:14.31 | Katharsis | hmm |
| 14:14.36 | Katharsis | after running the command make -j8 |
| 14:14.43 | Katharsis | i need to confir tons of questions |
| 14:14.49 | Katharsis | rly?! |
| 14:15.03 | Katharsis | confirm* |
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| 14:15.58 | oxachloren | asdad: Nothing scary. |
| 14:16.20 | oxachloren | contrib packages contain DFSG-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main. |
| 14:16.35 | oxachloren | So there may be dependencies from non-free, for example. |
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| 14:17.15 | oxachloren | Although I don't get why do you want to do this. |
| 14:17.24 | Katharsis | oxachloren: ? |
| 14:17.38 | oxachloren | If you have Macbook, you can improve font rendering and all that stuff, it's mostly from contrib & non-free. |
| 14:17.53 | oxachloren | Katharsis: I don't know. I don't have your chip, so I can't test it. |
| 14:18.07 | Katharsis | the question is not about chip |
| 14:18.08 | oxachloren | I just found this discussion which states that you're not the only one with this problem. |
| 14:18.10 | asdad | oxachloren: SO contrib and non-free go hand in hand? |
| 14:18.12 | Katharsis | is about compilation flow |
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| 14:18.54 | oxachloren | Yes, you need to confirm many options. |
| 14:19.00 | oxachloren | You can yes "" | though. |
| 14:19.08 | oxachloren | But it's not going to work well. |
| 14:19.22 | Katharsis | k |
| 14:19.32 | Katharsis | type tons of ENTER and it works, compiling |
| 14:19.35 | Katharsis | :) |
| 14:19.47 | oxachloren | asdad: Not really, but they go well together. |
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| 14:20.38 | asdad | oxachloren: Ok |
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| 14:23.20 | asdad_ | oxachloren: Is there a way i could have installed the driver without enabling those repositories just by doing this? apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" |
| 14:23.56 | oxachloren | No, but you can just download and compile driver yourself, so generally by removing non-free & contrib you just tell your Debian not to fetch these repos. |
| 14:24.01 | asdad_ | oxachloren: Or did i have to have my sources.list edited |
| 14:24.01 | asdad_ | ? |
| 14:24.05 | oxachloren | It's not like Debian will not allow you to install non-free sofware anymore. |
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| 14:25.02 | oxachloren | And no, you can't install package from backports if it's not listen in sources. |
| 14:25.10 | asdad_ | oxachloren: Yes, i know that. But could i have install the driver just with this command apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" without having the sources.list edited? |
| 14:25.24 | asdad_ | oxachloren: Oh ok |
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| 14:26.36 | asdad_ | oxachloren: So i just had my repos dirty for a little while, is the information downloaded by updating the repos deleteable? |
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| 14:27.59 | oxachloren | I honestly don't understand why are you so ashamed of it, but just do apt-get clean && apt-get update after changing sources. |
| 14:28.23 | oxachloren | No one except your provider will know that you have touched these dirty packages. |
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| 14:28.46 | johnkeates | i will know |
| 14:28.55 | johnkeates | and i'll write you up in my book |
| 14:29.02 | asdad_ | Hehehe, i live foss. thats all. And gnewsense is way too outdated. |
| 14:29.06 | jelly | google will index the channel logs for all eternity |
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| 14:29.16 | asdad_ | love# |
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| 14:29.38 | johnkeates | if Microsoft finds out, they'll send their evangelistst |
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| 14:29.56 | jelly | asdad_: if you need non-free components once, it's probably best to leave them enabled to get any patches and security fixes applied |
| 14:29.58 | asdad_ | oxachloren: Trisquel is a good free-only distro but its based on ubuntu |
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| 14:30.22 | asdad_ | jelly: mmm... youre right |
| 14:30.40 | asdad_ | jelly: But i only needed the firmware for it. |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | and when you get a newer kernel you may need the matching newer firmware with it |
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| 14:31.14 | johnkeates | if you need just one binary blob, just download the .deb. manually and install it |
| 14:31.38 | asdad_ | jelly: How can i tell debian to not install nonfree software from the repos |
| 14:32.04 | jelly | asdad_: debian doesn't install anything you don't ask it to |
| 14:32.04 | asdad_ | if say... theyre enabled from my sources.list? |
| 14:32.22 | jelly | asdad_: no components from main depend on components in non-free |
| 14:32.30 | oxachloren | Exactly. |
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| 14:32.35 | asdad_ | jelly: Oh ok. |
| 14:32.35 | oxachloren | But some from contrib do. |
| 14:32.43 | asdad_ | Newbie here... |
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| 14:32.57 | asdad_ | Love the free software philosophy |
| 14:33.01 | jelly | oxachloren: and if asdad_ explicitely wants stuff from contrib, then it's his own fault |
| 14:33.25 | johnkeates | i usually instal everything form non-free first and then work my way up to contrib |
| 14:33.28 | oxachloren | Well, running Debian on Macbook and opting out from contrib & non-free is generally a bad idea. |
| 14:33.39 | jelly | johnkeates: that does not make sense |
| 14:33.48 | johnkeates | jelly: i know, that's the point |
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| 14:34.09 | johnkeates | tries to point out that disabling repo's because you might only need them once makes just as little sense |
| 14:34.24 | johnkeates | you can try really hard to go main-only on closed hardware |
| 14:34.31 | johnkeates | but it's gonna end in tears |
| 14:34.33 | asdad_ | oxachloren: It was a gift, i had a toshiba that works flawlessly with free software but this is much faster. |
| 14:34.49 | johnkeates | just leave contrib and non-free on, and install what you need |
| 14:34.51 | asdad_ | I would never buy a mac |
| 14:34.57 | johnkeates | why not? |
| 14:35.00 | oxachloren | The problem is that Macbook won't just work flawlessly with free software only. |
| 14:35.01 | asdad_ | at least not if they keep it the same |
| 14:35.05 | johnkeates | they are built from bloody metal |
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| 14:35.14 | johnkeates | who doesn't want a laptop made out of metal |
| 14:35.19 | asdad_ | haha |
| 14:35.26 | asdad_ | Preffer thinkpads |
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| 14:35.36 | johnkeates | those died when lenovo started to exist |
| 14:35.37 | asdad_ | Those are sturdy |
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| 14:35.58 | johnkeates | after the T60 series I got out |
| 14:36.15 | johnkeates | and actually tried Sony which was horrible, and Dell, which always smells funny firmware-wise |
| 14:36.25 | johnkeates | then I ended up with Mac, and EFI , before it was cool |
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| 14:36.33 | johnkeates | and it has a decent experience |
| 14:36.45 | johnkeates | then again, all laptops are crap |
| 14:36.52 | johnkeates | because they come with EC's |
| 14:37.01 | johnkeates | and so far i have seen none with open source firmware |
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| 14:38.06 | gmacon | We are building some internal debian packages, and we would like to specifiy that package foo depends on major version 2 of package bar. I think that the way to do this is to say Depends: bar (>= 2.0), bar (<< 3.0), but I could not find a reference for this. Is this correct? |
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| 14:40.31 | zamba | my debian installation is in a completely broken state.. i have a HUGE number of packages and dependencies that are not resolved |
| 14:40.35 | zamba | how do i go about fixing them? |
| 14:40.46 | zamba | apt wants to remove apache2 and perl and i don't know what |
| 14:40.51 | zamba | stuff i need |
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| 14:41.19 | mtn | zamba, testing or unstable? |
| 14:41.31 | zamba | mtn: neither.. should be stable |
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| 14:41.44 | johnkeates | gmacon: just test it, if it works it's good |
| 14:41.46 | zamba | mtn: 8.2 jessie |
| 14:41.47 | mtn | zamba, might want to be sure ;) look at your sources.list |
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| 14:42.13 | jelly | gmacon: seems basically right even if you could use just 2 and 3 instead of 2.0 and 3.0, depending on your numbering |
| 14:42.26 | jelly | gmacon: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#control |
| 14:42.38 | zamba | mtn: "stable" all over |
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| 14:43.05 | zamba | where "all over" means "both places |
| 14:43.15 | mtn | zamba, then should not have that problem. paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 14:43.20 | gmacon | johnkeates, jelly, thanks |
| 14:43.53 | zamba | mtn: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d85dc351/ |
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| 14:43.55 | mtn | zamba, and do you have a sub folder with anything in it? in /etc/apt |
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| 14:44.24 | zamba | mtn: sources.list.d is empty |
| 14:44.58 | mtn | zamba, run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and paste the results |
| 14:45.17 | zamba | mtn: why not aptitude? |
| 14:45.27 | mtn | zamba, that is fine, as well |
| 14:45.38 | jelly | mtn: it's probably not the greatest idea to tell someone to upgrade an unknown system |
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| 14:45.58 | mtn | jelly, ok, please take over |
| 14:46.26 | jelly | !bat |
| 14:46.26 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:46.47 | jelly | zamba: ^^ follow the above, put all the three commands and outputs into the same paste |
| 14:46.50 | zamba | mtn: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/79552772/ |
| 14:47.37 | zamba | jelly: what commands? |
| 14:47.47 | zamba | apt-get <what>? aptitude <what>? dselect <what>? |
| 14:47.53 | dcastellani | zamba: woah |
| 14:48.12 | zamba | dcastellani: i know |
| 14:48.18 | jelly | zamba: read what dpkg just said |
| 14:48.38 | jelly | zamba: you've shown the first command, "complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used);" |
| 14:48.40 | zamba | jelly: for the "relevant packages"..? i have no idea where to start :) |
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| 14:48.58 | jelly | zamba: ah. |
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| 14:49.37 | zamba | jelly: exactly :) |
| 14:49.43 | jelly | zamba: do the third command, then |
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| 14:50.16 | zamba | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0da510e4/ |
| 14:51.06 | jelly | zamba: alright. It looks like your /etc/apt/sources.list uses "stable" as distro name, instead of a specific codename |
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| 14:51.30 | jelly | zamba: "apt-cache policy base-files dpkg libc6 perl apt" then |
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| 14:51.56 | jelly | that ought to be enough to see which distro is (was) actually installed |
| 14:51.58 | zamba | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/02140c12/ |
| 14:52.57 | jelly | libperl5.14 : Depends: perl-base (= 5.14.2-21+deb7u2) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u1 is installed |
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| 14:53.23 | jelly | ...suggests debian 7 (wheezy) used to be installed, and is now partially upgraded to debian 8 (jessie) |
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| 14:53.41 | zamba | that sounds about right |
| 14:53.50 | johnkeates | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:54.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell zamba about jessies sources.list |
| 14:54.14 | jelly | zamba: first, replace your sources.list with a normal jessie sources.list |
| 14:54.37 | jelly | zamba: then pretend you're doing a wheezy->jessie release upgrade |
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| 14:54.44 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 14:54.44 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 14:54.59 | jelly | zamba: do you have any production-level services on this machine? |
| 14:55.08 | zamba | jelly: yes, indeed i do |
| 14:55.22 | zamba | but they just need perl and python to work |
| 14:55.34 | zamba | and both seems to be ok |
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| 14:55.59 | jelly | zamba: read the release notes first, and do not upgrade or dist-upgrade anything until you read the issues and caveats. apache2 _will_ break, for one thing |
| 14:56.00 | zamba | apt-get dist-upgrade gives me the same output as before |
| 14:56.15 | zamba | as this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/79552772/ |
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| 14:56.42 | jelly | zamba: what about "apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade" ? |
| 14:56.50 | jelly | (after putting in jessie sources.list) |
| 14:57.03 | jelly | -s is the do-nothing option |
| 14:57.04 | zamba | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
| 14:57.19 | jelly | that's not the whole output |
| 14:57.23 | zamba | after listing a lot of packages with unmet dependencies |
| 14:57.38 | jelly | pastebin the whole thing |
| 14:57.56 | zamba | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8f6a8e13/ |
| 14:58.31 | johnkeates | can you pastebin the output of dpkg -l too |
| 14:59.23 | zamba | too large :) |
| 15:00.17 | zamba | because that's the strange thing as well.. i've gotten a lot of X-related packages installed.. like libreoffice and gtk applications.. they shouldn't be there.. this is a headless server and shouldn't run X at all |
| 15:00.41 | jelly | zamba: alright then. just for fun, "apt-get -s -f install" |
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| 15:01.07 | zamba | jelly: that's an insanely huge paste |
| 15:01.31 | jelly | woohoo! |
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| 15:01.55 | jelly | zamba: does it go removing most things, or installing and upgrading most things? |
| 15:02.22 | zamba | if "Inst" means installation, then it looks like it's mostly that |
| 15:02.33 | jelly | that's good |
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| 15:02.59 | zamba | there are quite a few Remv here as well |
| 15:03.08 | johnkeates | that's normal with a dist-upgrade i think |
| 15:03.14 | johnkeates | because some replacements are not upgrades :) |
| 15:03.29 | jelly | zamba: verify whether it wants to remove anything you really need |
| 15:03.35 | zamba | 27 Remvs vs 499 Insts |
| 15:03.45 | zamba | ok, i have to pick this up later, though.. have to hit the road |
| 15:03.47 | zamba | thanks so far :) |
| 15:03.55 | jelly | see you |
| 15:04.08 | dcastellani | any idea what cause zamba's system to get into that state? |
| 15:04.17 | jelly | dcastellani: using "stable" in sources.list |
| 15:04.17 | dcastellani | s/cause/caused |
| 15:04.51 | dcastellani | is thankful for containers and backups |
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| 15:05.02 | jelly | an explicit codename should be used instead, to avoid accidental partial release upgrade that lead to ^^ |
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| 15:05.44 | jarlopez | Just installed Debian 8 with Gnome. Is there a default keybinding for switching desktops/moving windows between desktops? |
| 15:06.17 | g00se1 | Ctrl+Fn (?) it's that with xfce |
| 15:06.36 | g00se1 | I mean F1,F2 etc |
| 15:06.49 | afidegnum | hello, i finished installing Hyper-V but can't seems to find how to to prepare dual boot so I can install Debian on my system. can you please help? |
| 15:07.16 | jarlopez | g00se1: No bueno. I found it by playing around, however: Ctrl + Alt <Arrow> and Ctrl + Alt + Shift + <Arrow> |
| 15:07.30 | SirLagz | afidegnum: why would you want to install Hyper-V and dual-boot? |
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| 15:08.18 | jelly | afidegnum: are you trying to install debian side by side for dual-boot, or inside a VM? |
| 15:08.30 | afidegnum | dual boot |
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| 15:08.45 | jelly | afidegnum: how is hyper-v relevant then? |
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| 15:09.41 | jelly | afidegnum: just make sure there's enough free (preferably unpartitioned) space on some disk, and boot the installer |
| 15:09.42 | afidegnum | not on a virtual machine |
| 15:09.52 | afidegnum | I have created 2 partitions, |
| 15:10.02 | afidegnum | one for linux and 1 for windows, actual one |
| 15:10.15 | afidegnum | so I want to install Debian on the Linux named partition |
| 15:10.26 | jelly | remove the one for linux, let the installer create it again |
| 15:11.17 | jelly | it will probably need at least two partitions anyway, one for linux swap, one for everything else |
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| 15:13.46 | afidegnum | but the probleme here is my system boot on UEFI, making impossible for me to select the default booting device |
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| 15:15.55 | g00se1 | !uefi |
| 15:15.55 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 15:16.39 | jelly | afidegnum: well, you'll have to figure out how to boot a CD/DVD or USB stick first, then |
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| 15:18.05 | g00se1 | afidegnum: you can write the bootloader to a nano usb stick. That's what i do to dual boot. Leaves Windows untouched |
| 15:18.43 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 15:29.50 | cwood | Has anybody else had their ssh agent stop accepting connections since some few days ago? Twice now my ssh-agent has stopped after 8 hours, today it stopped after 2h 15m. |
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| 15:34.39 | johnkeates | cwood: no, my ssh-agent has been accepting connections for years now |
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| 15:35.01 | cwood | I have boot my laptop every morning, I don't have the benefit of uptime. :p |
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| 15:46.45 | g00se1 | cwood: Try eval($ssh-agent) |
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| 16:01.17 | cwood | Ugh, now I know. Something nuked my socket. |
| 16:01.19 | cwood | Bah. |
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| 16:05.38 | zleslie | Hi. I'm re-loading an old laptop with stretch, and I'm having trouble with network-manager. If I log in, the wireless connects just fine, but at the login screen, it doesn't connect. I read the documentation, and it seems like hte keyfile for network-manager should be saved somewhere, but I can't fine it. |
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| 16:05.52 | zleslie | This makes me think the key for the wireless is stored in gnome-keyring, which I don't think I want. |
| 16:06.02 | zleslie | So, how do I get the wireless to connect before a user has logged in. |
| 16:06.03 | zleslie | ? |
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| 16:10.12 | markybob | zleslie, /etc/network/interfaces https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 16:11.38 | zleslie | Yes, but thats not using network-manager. I'm looking to still use network-manager, so that when a user logs in, they are still able to manage the network using nm-applet etc. |
| 16:11.59 | zleslie | So I know I can statically set a single wireless network, but I'd like not to |
| 16:12.33 | nmschulte | My ~/.xsession-errors is ~ 0.5 GB. It's full of messages that I cannot figure out which process is outputting. How do I go about keeping this from happening? |
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| 16:18.33 | drwbc | hello |
| 16:18.54 | drwbc | somebody can help me with a problem with my mail server and hotmail |
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| 16:20.10 | MrmacHD | hi |
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| 16:20.52 | MrmacHD | is there a way of bringing back rm -rf ~; (~ being a directory other than my home directory but I had a shortcut of ~ being the same as cd ~) |
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| 16:21.48 | MrmacHD | I should have probably done rm -rf .~ instead :( |
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| 16:21.57 | zleslie | Restore your backups |
| 16:22.07 | MrmacHD | no backups made |
| 16:22.17 | zleslie | You might start |
| 16:22.20 | MrmacHD | is there a âtrashâ I could undo |
| 16:22.25 | drwbc | that is the worst error |
| 16:22.29 | mtn | Not having backups means you don't care about losing your personal files and settings. |
| 16:22.35 | MrmacHD | like the trash File browser puts stuff in? |
| 16:22.38 | drwbc | what kind of filesystem you have ? |
| 16:23.00 | MrmacHD | debian latest |
| 16:23.03 | MrmacHD | is it ext4? |
| 16:23.11 | MrmacHD | all my shortcuts are lost... |
| 16:23.31 | drwbc | there are a restore tool |
| 16:23.39 | drwbc | but you need to connect another disk |
| 16:23.58 | MrmacHD | its ok I can |
| 16:24.12 | MrmacHD | how is the process, is there a tutorial on it? |
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| 16:24.40 | MrmacHD | I literally made a ctrl+c and since that didnât stop it I disconnected the electricity (plug). |
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| 16:27.01 | MrmacHD | drwbc: how about extundelete? |
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| 16:29.05 | drwbc | let me find it |
| 16:29.10 | drwbc | I can remember the name |
| 16:29.13 | Leoneof | Testdisk could help you to restore deleted files |
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| 16:29.37 | drwbc | yes !!! is Tesdisk |
| 16:29.47 | drwbc | testdisk sorry |
| 16:29.51 | drwbc | heheehe |
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| 16:30.20 | MrmacHD | is it possible from another partition on the same drive running windows? |
| 16:30.30 | MrmacHD | or a mac via network? |
| 16:31.32 | MrmacHD | I have XP and Debian running on the same drive. |
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| 16:38.47 | MrmacHD | thanks drwbc appreciate your help! |
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| 17:11.24 | pk64 | Does reprepro posses the ability to recurse into sub directories? I've been using 'reprepro includedeb /path/*.deb' for now |
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| 17:19.53 | HAL2328 | anyone familiar with bumblebee setups? I got everything working, but now I'd like to know if there is way to check if it is active or not. |
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| 17:20.19 | johnkeates | my experience: grab a soldering iron and take out the extra chip |
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| 17:22.01 | HAL2328 | johnkeates, hahaha is it that troublesome? |
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| 17:22.38 | johnkeates | well yes, it's not that it's never going to work, but nvidia likes to make it as hard as possible |
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| 17:25.19 | HAL2328 | i would gladly disable it in BIOS its just that my DVI output is connected directly to the discrete gfx and vga is tied to intel integrated |
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| 17:27.27 | johnkeates | so basically, the guys that designed your laptop decided to screw you over :p |
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| 17:28.54 | HAL2328 | freaken lenovo |
| 17:29.00 | johnkeates | yep |
| 17:29.18 | johnkeates | the only way for you to test is now is to simply hook up monitor/beamer devices and see if it works |
| 17:29.54 | HAL2328 | yeah the lenovo way |
| 17:30.22 | HAL2328 | now i know why discrete gfx are a pain. so stick to just intel huh |
| 17:30.33 | johnkeates | yes, or just discrete gfx |
| 17:30.50 | johnkeates | bumblebee/optimus was invented to reduce power usage when hardcore gfx is not needed |
| 17:31.05 | johnkeates | but if you can live with half the battery life then you're fine |
| 17:31.24 | johnkeates | also, a different solution would be to have an option in the BIOS to force either GPU's |
| 17:31.33 | johnkeates | but since the ports are hardwired i guess that's not gonna happen |
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| 17:31.54 | johnkeates | live GPU switching is nice, but if it's more problematic than easy then out the window it goed |
| 17:31.56 | johnkeates | goes |
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| 17:36.32 | Scott0_ | there is no www-data user on debian 8? |
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| 17:39.37 | finetundra2234 | hey folks, I'd like to setup an irc server on my debian machine, do you guys have any software that you'd reccomend? |
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| 17:39.47 | HAL2328 | johnkeates, thanks very much. |
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| 17:40.20 | Scott0_ | nevermind |
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| 17:40.26 | Scott0_ | I guess the user has no shell set |
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| 17:42.35 | finetundra2234 | oops, gotta go folks |
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| 17:43.18 | Scott0_ | what's the best alternative if I need to run a php script with www-data? |
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| 17:43.32 | Scott0_ | because im guessing www-data has nologin for a good reason |
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| 17:54.49 | solarseed | Hi! |
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| 17:55.25 | solarseed | What do I have to put into my /etc/rc.local (or elsewhere?) to start Apach2 at boot Time? "apachectl" or "apachectl start"? |
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| 17:56.40 | solarseed | Apache2 |
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| 17:57.06 | Peio | so I'm having an issue on a fresh stretch install |
| 17:57.35 | Peio | my 2nd monitor is detected as a CRT by nvidia drivers with max resolution of 640x480 |
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| 17:58.04 | angevin | Yeah, I'm a mentally retarded genetic turnip peasant Kraut who decided to code the piece of shit called systemd and now advanced users cannot even figure out their chipsets through dmesg and manpages etc... I bow down and lick Hitler's asshole can my IQ is too low to code for or use OpenBSD |
| 17:58.14 | angevin | hurray for genetic turnip peasants fucking up unix |
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| 18:00.59 | funzl | hi all. I have an ssd with fully encrypted content (multiple partitions, including root fs). Will it work to fully copy the content of the ssd using `dd` and restore it back using 'dd'? |
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| 18:03.20 | therealfibonacci | hi. having SSH setup on my raspb.pi -> nonstop bruteforce attack incoming -> auth.log logs my external IP as attacker not the attackers real ext.IP -> im behind NAT router.. any workaround to get the correct IP-s? |
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| 18:10.44 | johnkeates | Scott0_: sudo -u |
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| 18:11.24 | otyugh | I don't find out into the man |
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| 18:17.47 | HAL2328 | otyugh, try sudo modprobe /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 18:35.07 | alexande3 | does anyone have experience with fbterm? the fonts suck on debian. there's no antialiasing or anything?? |
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| 18:37.40 | cybrNaut | google voice folks-- what's the deal, now that gv has splintered into two different providers? |
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| 18:37.51 | cybrNaut | gtalk interoperability is gone, right? |
| 18:38.21 | cybrNaut | i'd like a debian tool or mechanism that can get gvoice notices when a message is left |
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| 18:41.00 | johnkeates | cybrNaut: we all do, yet Google is just sitting there with it's evil face |
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| 18:41.41 | solarseed | Is it possible to pull an entire FTP Directory Structure into /usr/local/apache/htdocs using wget? |
| 18:41.51 | johnkeates | yes, use mirror option |
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| 18:42.28 | solarseed | what would the wget command look like? |
| 18:42.36 | solarseed | -what +how |
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| 18:42.47 | TheLemonMan | w - g - e - t |
| 18:43.17 | cybrNaut | wget -rm ftp://ftp... |
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| 18:44.11 | cybrNaut | pushd /usr/local/apache/htdocs; wget -rm ftp://ftp...; popd |
| 18:44.47 | solarseed | --recursive --mirror ... thank you! |
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| 18:49.00 | no_gravity | Any ideas how to run this 'space as ctrl' script on startup? http://pastie.org/10426458 |
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| 18:50.06 | jhutchins | no_gravity: Call it from rc.local |
| 18:50.30 | no_gravity | jhutchins: i tried that. it did not work. |
| 18:50.43 | no_gravity | maybe because it needs the DE to be already running? |
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| 18:52.25 | no_gravity | maybe i will try ~/.xinitrc |
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| 18:53.17 | no_gravity | will try that and reboot. one moment... |
| 18:53.49 | solarseed | Does wget pull the Structure into the cwd or do I have to specify the path it shall pull the files into? |
| 18:54.02 | TheLemonMan | no_gravity, you don't need to reboot, just restart the Xorg |
| 18:54.04 | no_gravity | solarseed: it puts them in cwd |
| 18:54.26 | no_gravity | TheLemonMan: somehow i feel more comfortable rebooting |
| 18:54.37 | solarseed | thank you no_gravity |
| 18:54.47 | TheLemonMan | leave the gut feelings at home, this is not windows :) |
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| 18:57.07 | jhutchins | solarseed: Can be specified. |
| 19:00.24 | jhutchins | solarseed: wget was written exactly for what you're doing. Readming the man page might show you additional options for things you haven't though of yet. |
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| 19:05.19 | solarseed | I've got a new Problem. The DefaultRoot Directory of the Apache2 Webserver seems not to exist. There is no /usr/local/apache/htdocs and no /usr/web neither ... |
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| 19:07.40 | jhutchins | solarseed: What distributions have you worked with in the past that kept it there? |
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| 19:08.54 | markybob | solarseed, /var/www |
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| 19:09.06 | Fjorgynn | Allayeah |
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| 19:12.00 | solarseed | jhutchins, markybob: Never did anything Server-Related ... it's the first Time I am setting up an Apache2. But I've got Gentoo LINUX Desktop I am writing from and the Server is a Debian GNU/LINUX... |
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| 19:13.09 | no_gravity | Putting the script in ~/.xinitrc failed as well |
| 19:13.13 | g00se | Note apache runs under user www-data |
| 19:13.42 | no_gravity | Any ideas how to automatically run a script after gnome has started? |
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| 19:14.49 | TheLemonMan | gnome has (had?) an autostart mechanism |
| 19:15.21 | no_gravity | there is something calle "startup applications" but that does not work either. |
| 19:15.23 | no_gravity | strange. |
| 19:15.30 | no_gravity | when i start the script manually, all is fine |
| 19:15.35 | zamba | jelly: ok, i'm back.. let's try fixing this, shall we? :) |
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| 19:16.24 | jelly | zamba: good luck! Kind of tired atm, someone else will hopefully jump in |
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| 19:18.19 | solarseed | thank you markybob |
| 19:18.22 | jhutchins | solarseed: Gentoo might explain it. |
| 19:18.41 | jhutchins | solarseed: Most modern distributions use /var/www/http/ |
| 19:19.14 | jhutchins | (This is one reason not to follow partitioning guides, if you're building a mail and web server it's all going into /var) |
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| 19:19.31 | jhutchins | MySQL too. |
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| 19:20.40 | jhutchins | zamba: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 19:23.57 | no_gravity | the entry in ~/.config/autostart/ ALSO did not work. I give up. |
| 19:25.03 | antena-cli | no_gravity: How your desktop file looks? |
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| 19:26.01 | no_gravity | antena-cli: http://pastie.org/10426520 |
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| 19:31.54 | antena-cli | no_gravity: I would try to put some sleep in it, or Exec=sh -c "/home/user/Desktop/stuff/space-ctrl/space-ctrl.sh" |
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| 19:33.19 | no_gravity | antena-cli: ok, gimme 5 mins. |
| 19:33.21 | no_gravity | rebooting... |
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| 19:34.18 | zamba | jelly: so you suggest just doing apt-get -f install? |
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| 19:36.24 | g00se | jelly's taking a nap, but i seem to remember that from several hours ago ;) |
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| 19:40.50 | zamba | i got the following: https://paste.debian.net/312233/ |
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| 19:46.09 | zamba | i guess this is related to the fact that i haven't rebooted into the new kernel yet? |
| 19:46.28 | s_20 | sooo..systemd is telling me it is starting kdm *and* gdm |
| 19:46.44 | s_20 | that in itself is weird enough, to make it even more weird, i don't have either installed |
| 19:46.50 | s_20 | but i do have lightdm, which does not start |
| 19:47.52 | s_20 | which i installed after sddm suddenldy stopped working |
| 19:47.56 | s_20 | startx (so X) works |
| 19:48.05 | g00se | dpkg -l | grep dm |
| 19:48.05 | dpkg | ii | grep dm 3.2-5.2 g00se's private stamp collection |
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| 19:49.43 | s_20 | g00se: no gdm3, no kdm installed |
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| 19:52.06 | g00se | btw, how is systemd telling you? |
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| 19:53.14 | s_20 | Sep 17 20:53:41 catch22 systemd[1]: Starting LSB: X display manager for KDE... |
| 19:53.18 | s_20 | same for gdm |
| 19:53.32 | s_20 | (in that case it actually explicitly says "GDM") |
| 19:54.20 | s_20 | i have no idea if this is related to sddm not starting properly, this is just a weird thing i noticed when i went through the log |
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| 19:58.08 | g00se | Hmm. I'm not the best person to advise (treating systemd with suspicion) |
| 19:58.46 | zamba | jhutchins: you there? |
| 19:58.56 | s_20 | g00se: well, i'm not even sure systemd is related :( |
| 19:59.05 | s_20 | (oh, and of course, i'm on sid) |
| 19:59.34 | s_20 | and this behaviour started about 2 days ago i think |
| 19:59.50 | markybob | s_20, #debian-next on OFTC is the place or sid. and the topic warns you to not expect things to work because of gcc5 transition |
| 19:59.56 | markybob | for* sid |
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| 20:00.11 | s_20 | markybob: oh dear, wrong server. |
| 20:00.23 | s_20 | i'M on oftc actually, joined with the wrong server (irssi here) |
| 20:00.43 | s_20 | i wondered why i'm on #debian not #debian-next, apparently there's a forward happening on freenode |
| 20:01.00 | zamba | how safe is it to reboot the machine in this state? |
| 20:01.17 | s_20 | and i was running this machine (using kde) after the upgrade already |
| 20:01.20 | s_20 | everything was peachy |
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| 20:05.25 | captSamIngram | I have had openssh-server installed for a while, but when the system restarts I have to manually use $exec /usr/sbin/ssh -D to start the ssh server. I've tried several suggestions to fix the /etc/init.d scripts with no luck. Can anyone here give me something else to check? |
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| 20:06.09 | captSamIngram | I've tried reinstalling the openssh-server and initscripts. |
| 20:06.33 | captSamIngram | When I try update-rc.d ssh defaults, insserv gives me warnings about LSB tags. |
| 20:06.56 | jhutchins | zamba: If you would summarize what the problem is and what the pastebin shows we'd know whether we could answer you. |
| 20:06.59 | captSamIngram | Is it normal for /etc/init.d/ssh file to be empty? |
| 20:07.34 | jhutchins | solarseed: There is no #debian-next on freenode. |
| 20:07.47 | jhutchins | s_20: There is no #debian-next on freenode. |
| 20:07.50 | jhutchins | solarseed: Sorry. |
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| 20:08.42 | s_20 | jhutchins: i realise that, i was just in the context of the wrong server (irssi, it happens) |
| 20:08.56 | mkdir123 | hi |
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| 20:09.52 | zamba | jhutchins: https://paste.debian.net/312233/ |
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| 20:10.12 | zamba | jhutchins: i ended up touching that file, because i can't risk a reboot in the current state |
| 20:10.17 | mkdir123 | is there anyone who speaks french ? please |
| 20:10.27 | jhutchins | zamba: "summarize" means tell me what it is so I know whether to look at it. |
| 20:10.36 | zamba | jhutchins: i'm doing apt-get -f install |
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| 20:10.53 | markybob | !fr |
| 20:10.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:11.25 | jhutchins | zamba: and? |
| 20:11.34 | mkdir123 | markybob do you speak frech please ? |
| 20:11.39 | markybob | mkdir123, no |
| 20:11.58 | jhutchins | mkdir123: Only from wine labels. |
| 20:12.00 | mkdir123 | ok sorry |
| 20:12.03 | zamba | jhutchins: and i ended up touching that file to force through the installation/upgrade |
| 20:12.10 | zamba | jhutchins: but i'm not sure that's the best approach |
| 20:12.59 | mkdir123 | is there an other chat room where i can found somenone who speak french please ? |
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| 20:13.24 | markybob | mkdir123, yeah. i had dpkg tell you. #debian-fr |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins | zamba: Which releases are you working with? No, the best approach is to install the correct kernel. |
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| 20:14.09 | jhutchins | !tell mkdir123 about fr |
| 20:14.32 | jhutchins | mkdir123: See private message. |
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| 20:18.13 | zamba | jhutchins: but i can't risk rebooting now |
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| 20:31.31 | jhutchins | zamba: That's ok, you don't have to load the kernel, just make sure it's installed so it WILL reboot next time. |
| 20:31.44 | zamba | jhutchins: the new kernel is installed |
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| 20:32.12 | jhutchins | zamba: Then you may have other problems. You've only answered about half of my questions. |
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| 20:32.25 | needle | [D |
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| 20:32.58 | zamba | jhutchins: wheezy to jessie |
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| 20:37.09 | jhutchins | zamba: So have you read the install guide? |
| 20:37.19 | jhutchins | zamba: Have you checked the errata? |
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| 20:37.52 | jhutchins | zamba: Which commands have you used so far to perform the upgrade, prior to apt-get -f install? |
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| 20:40.46 | undrinkablesoup | Will Debian Linux support ShadowPlay? |
| 20:41.05 | undrinkablesoup | I have a NVidia graphics card and I constantly use their hardware-supported "screen recording" feature. |
| 20:41.37 | nnmap | i've just upgraded to jessie and my laptop is serously overheating due to the videocard (radeon 4330). i've tried to enable dpm (in /etc/default/grub) and im getting an error: "radeon: unknown parameter 'dpm'). i used fglrx-legacy with wheezy but it doesnt work with jessie... is there something that can be done? |
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| 20:48.02 | jhutchins | undrinkablesoup: It doesn't look like it. ShadowPlay is Windows-specific software from Nvidia, and there's no mention of making it availble in Linux. |
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| 20:49.29 | jhutchins | undrinkablesoup: That said, there may very well be something already in linux that does that. |
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| 20:50.46 | undrinkablesoup | jhutchins: Hardly likely since there isn't even one for Windows. |
| 20:50.55 | undrinkablesoup | At least none that's free. |
| 20:51.14 | undrinkablesoup | Even among the commercial ones, ShadowPlay was a million times better than them. |
| 20:51.31 | undrinkablesoup | Simply because it used the hardware and was able to record crisp, damn-near-perfect picture. |
| 20:51.33 | ProfessorKaos64 | added a package using reprepro, updated on a target machine but I get a 404 not found. I used the command reprepro -V includedeb jessie pool/main/r/package.deb |
| 20:52.07 | jhutchins | undrinkablesoup: There is a lot of video software for Linux that is much better than Windows. Most CGI is rendered on Linux. |
| 20:52.36 | jhutchins | undrinkablesoup: ILM has made significant code contributions. |
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| 20:54.49 | jhutchins | !info reprepo |
| 20:54.59 | jhutchins | !reprepo |
| 20:55.55 | ProfessorKaos64 | !reprepro |
| 20:55.56 | dpkg | reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
| 20:57.29 | mi11k1 | whats a good frontend for running/stopping services? |
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| 20:58.15 | jhutchins | Missing an r |
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| 21:06.43 | ProfessorKaos64 | fixed the gpg gui prompt |
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| 21:06.50 | ProfessorKaos64 | didn't reload the agent, doh |
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| 21:07.59 | Kruppt | mi11k1: If using sysv sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:08.03 | ProfessorKaos64 | everything is working now, got my rebuilt ubuntu retroarch in a repo |
| 21:08.10 | ProfessorKaos64 | I still feel dumb, but learning as I go |
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| 21:22.08 | bagbobilgins | so boot-repair is a thing |
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| 21:23.03 | bagbobilgins | never had a debian install go wrong, but reinstalled with Win 10 and had some trouble with grub not being grub-efi |
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| 21:23.26 | srg | Aw man, boot-repair saved my life |
| 21:23.52 | bagbobilgins | oh, yeah; an ISO for the permanent collection |
| 21:23.52 | srg | I have an encrypted LVM on my laptop running Stretch. I somehow broke grub and nothing I tried fixed it. Untilll...boot-repair. |
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| 21:25.00 | zh1 | what is the default sound server on debian? |
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| 21:40.28 | joker_89 | does anyone uses sharing calendars? |
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| 21:43.42 | g00se | joker_89: Liferay portal is one way |
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| 21:44.16 | joker_89 | but i need public server |
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| 21:44.27 | joker_89 | and my server is local |
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| 21:44.48 | jhutchins | joker_89: google, namecheap |
| 21:45.07 | joker_89 | namecheap? |
| 21:45.44 | joker_89 | namecheap is for domain registration |
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| 21:53.40 | g00se | As it happens, namecheap _could_ make your local public - by its support for dynamic DNS of purchased names |
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| 21:54.38 | g00se | Or better 'by its support of dynamic DNS for purchased names' |
| 21:55.24 | joker_89 | the problem if only have 1 server |
| 21:55.29 | joker_89 | which has local files |
| 21:55.38 | joker_89 | perhaps will be dangerous |
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| 21:59.23 | NoirLess | suddenly, after turn on my laptop, smthing eats randomly up to 96% of cpu o_o. Any ideas? Installed nothing last session |
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| 21:59.56 | markybob | !top |
| 21:59.56 | dpkg | hmm... top is a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q'. |
| 22:01.40 | NoirLess | xorg and gnomeshell eats 8% and 9.6% of cpu o-o |
| 22:01.56 | NoirLess | wat, wait |
| 22:01.58 | asterismo_m2 | hi ppl |
| 22:02.04 | NoirLess | problem gone by itself oO |
| 22:02.17 | NoirLess | i did nothing, but no more cpu temp jumps |
| 22:02.34 | NoirLess | strange ._. |
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| 22:03.03 | asterismo_m2 | is there any keyboard shortcut to copy current iceweasel tab address, and avoiding mouse intervention? |
| 22:03.14 | NoirLess | also - "cant get http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex Hash sum invalid" |
| 22:03.19 | g00se | Ctr-L Ctrl-C |
| 22:03.49 | asterismo_m2 | g00se: L, damnit |
| 22:03.50 | asterismo_m2 | thanks |
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| 22:23.31 | humbot | 'location' |
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| 22:25.26 | logan0405 | sup guys. anyone know a tool to format a usb? I'm trying gparted but it is formatting read only |
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| 22:28.51 | logan0405 | i always have this problem. i burn an OS to a usb then its always read only after that |
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| 22:30.00 | teraflops | logan0405: do not "format" it then, just create a new partition table and then a partitition (if you like gparted) |
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| 22:30.25 | logan0405 | i did create a new partition table teraflops |
| 22:30.33 | logan0405 | i tried that |
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| 22:31.03 | markybob | logan0405, how can you create a new partition table if it's read-only? |
| 22:31.10 | g00se | Formatting has no connection with rw / ro |
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| 22:31.14 | teraflops | then I have no clue because it has no sense for me unless a phisical read only switch is there |
| 22:31.31 | logan0405 | i cant write to it as user but as root i can i guess |
| 22:31.42 | logan0405 | ill try |
| 22:31.44 | markybob | logan0405, then chown/chmod |
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| 22:32.25 | teraflops | logan0405: then is not a read only related issue is a permission issue |
| 22:32.29 | g00se | _How_ is it formatted? |
| 22:32.46 | p3rror | where I have to ask about ec2 instance |
| 22:33.28 | logan0405 | i format it by deleting all partitions, making a new partition table, and adding a new fat32 part |
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| 22:34.01 | teraflops | logan0405: and how do you mount/access the usb stick? |
| 22:34.12 | logan0405 | g00se, if formatting has no connecting with rw / ro how did it become ro by dding a Ubuntu iso to it |
| 22:34.13 | teraflops | once formatted |
| 22:34.14 | g00se | mount -t vfat -o uid=logan,gid=logan /dev/sdXn mountpoint |
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| 22:34.31 | logan0405 | it just auto mounts teraflops |
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| 22:34.57 | teraflops | how? i do not have such issues |
| 22:35.17 | logan0405 | what |
| 22:35.54 | teraflops | logan0405: and how do you mount/access the usb stick? |
| 22:36.19 | teraflops | thunar or whatever, cli coreutils ... |
| 22:36.22 | logan0405 | pcmanfm auto mounts it for me, and i cant access it because it appears i dont have write permissions |
| 22:36.53 | logan0405 | i just have this problem every once and in a while, trying to understand why |
| 22:36.58 | humbot | you can't really write to an iso, it would just break |
| 22:37.08 | logan0405 | huh |
| 22:37.17 | logan0405 | i didnt say i was writing to an iso |
| 22:37.30 | teraflops | logan0405: i do not like throw links to the people but a trivial search, http://superuser.com/questions/874171/mounting-usb-sticks-with-thunar-wrong-user-and-gruop |
| 22:37.53 | logan0405 | i did search |
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| 22:38.25 | teraflops | i do not meant yo didnt search i meat i do not like throwing links to the people xD |
| 22:39.49 | humbot | logan0405, > how did it become ro by dding a Ubuntu iso to it |
| 22:40.35 | logan0405 | idk humbot thats what im wondering |
| 22:41.34 | humbot | at least one of us is confused |
| 22:41.53 | logan0405 | yeah i am confused |
| 22:42.01 | logan0405 | r u a bot humbot |
| 22:42.04 | logan0405 | im so confused |
| 22:43.09 | humbot | the iso is a disk image, it's a snapshot of a file system, not an actual filesystem |
| 22:43.41 | humbot | you can mount it and look at it's directory structure but you can't just move or edit files |
| 22:43.48 | logan0405 | correct |
| 22:43.58 | logan0405 | i burned an iso to this usb |
| 22:44.01 | logan0405 | and now its read only |
| 22:44.03 | logan0405 | i wonder why |
| 22:44.18 | humbot | if you make a bootable usb with unetbootin or similar you'll be able to write to it |
| 22:44.40 | humbot | does the iso take up the whole usb? |
| 22:45.15 | g00se | The purpose was what exactly? |
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| 22:45.20 | humbot | if not you can make a new partition with gparted and put a 'normal' filesystem in that |
| 22:45.39 | logan0405 | i mean i burned the iso like months ago, and i formatted it today. and now its read only |
| 22:45.41 | humbot | i don't know actually goose |
| 22:45.44 | logan0405 | why does this happen |
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| 22:46.20 | g00se | !goal |
| 22:46.20 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 22:47.45 | humbot | maybe pastebin fdisk -l, lsblk, blkid or an image of gparted |
| 22:47.46 | logan0405 | my goal is to understand and fix why after i burn an iso to a usb then format the usb, the usb becomes read only |
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| 22:48.22 | humbot | what do you mean by format? that doesn't normally mean rewriting the partition table |
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| 22:49.15 | g00se | All the words in your last sentence have a meaning but not in the order you placed them |
| 22:49.19 | logan0405 | i thought format just means create new partition table, new partition and everything |
| 22:50.00 | logan0405 | fuck it im too confused peace. thanks for trying |
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| 22:50.20 | humbot | to me, format means make a new filesystem inside an existing partition |
| 22:50.31 | g00se | Yep |
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| 22:53.34 | humbot | well that's my first try at helping someone in #debian :p |
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| 23:20.40 | JacktheSnake | Do someone can read My messagge? |
| 23:21.49 | JacktheSnake | Can someone* |
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| 23:44.31 | porton | Is Debian team preparing encryption breaking by quantum computers? I think we should consider it now! |
| 23:44.48 | markybob | ha |
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| 23:46.36 | porton | We should take all necessary measures now, before it happens |
| 23:49.12 | g00se | And don't forget asteroid strikes too ... |
| 23:49.24 | markybob | g00se, i'm working on those |
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| 23:50.08 | porton | g00se: I've just read that a company named D-Wave SELLS a 1000 qubit machine. It is SELLING! |
| 23:50.51 | g00se | You do realise they also sell penis enlargers? |
| 23:52.06 | quantic | And they're probably about as effective. |
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