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| 00:46.36 | black_puppydog | hmpf, maybe I'll see that later then :P |
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| 01:03.47 | spaghettiman | Verifying OK This version is compatible and its integrity was checked Recognized Linux : Tails 1.5.1 |
| 01:03.52 | spaghettiman | ooooops wrong copy paste |
| 01:04.02 | spaghettiman | hey I just installed tails and I can't get my trackpad to work, google isn't helping. any thoughts? |
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| 01:06.38 | themill | spaghettiman: I think you're looking for #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 01:06.53 | spaghettiman | themill that channel is dead and tails is based on debian |
| 01:07.16 | spaghettiman | also this problem occurs for people on ubuntu so it isn't tails specific |
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| 01:48.19 | Rudde | So I configured L2TP and HTTP Proxy on a server |
| 01:48.28 | Rudde | on HTTP proxy I easily get full 100 Mbit |
| 01:48.38 | Rudde | but on l2tp I only get 1.7 Mbps |
| 01:48.43 | Rudde | how do I diagnose this and fix it? |
| 01:48.59 | chozha | uh |
| 01:49.24 | nyef | First question that comes to mind is "how do you know that it's broken?" |
| 01:50.04 | chozha | ? |
| 01:50.45 | nyef | For all I know, that could be a perfectly normal performance ratio, or the issues could be on the client end, or... |
| 01:51.11 | Rudde | It's the same server |
| 01:51.14 | Rudde | and same client in use |
| 01:51.23 | Rudde | The server have 1/1 Gbit and can performe it |
| 01:51.31 | chozha | :| |
| 01:51.32 | Rudde | the client have 100/20 Mbit and can performe it |
| 01:51.42 | Rudde | When on proxy I get 100/16 Mbit |
| 01:51.49 | Rudde | when on l2tp I get 1.7/14 Mbit |
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| 03:10.29 | shay_shay | does anyone know if its okay to rm -rf /var/lib/libvirt |
| 03:10.58 | somiaj | shay_shay: I woudln't, but I find mv better than rm -rf to answer such questions |
| 03:11.21 | shay_shay | somiaj: oh yeah, to see if its okay |
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| 03:20.11 | cheako | Yeah, Xorg reconnects after restart. |
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| 03:21.27 | shay_shay | grr |
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| 03:22.11 | somiaj | cheako: Not sure if this can be easily fixed. If it was a module problem I could describe how to fix that, but if it is an issue that xorg gets confused you may have to find a way to manually tell xorg to reconnect/enable the touchscreen |
| 03:22.43 | somiaj | cheako: you could look at xinput, it could be you could use that to tell xorg to reconnect to the touch screen input device. If that works then you can just add that command to the scripts that are run when the machien resumes |
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| 03:26.01 | somiaj | cheako: xinput --list (do you see the touchscreen listed there? You may have to isntall the xinput package) |
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| 03:28.29 | cheako | sure it's there. |
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| 03:30.04 | cheako | after resume it's still there. |
| 03:33.54 | somiaj | cheako: I am very unfamilar with xinput but I think you may be able to use it to tell xorg to reconnect to the device without having to reboot xorg. Once you figure that you just need to automate this to happen when you resume |
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| 03:34.29 | somiaj | cheako: if you could paste the output of xinput --list from after a resume and when the touchscreen is not working someone may have a clue what the issue could be |
| 03:34.35 | somiaj | but this is the onlything I can think of |
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| 03:38.22 | cheako | xinput --enable "SYNAPTICS Synaptics Touch Digitizer V04"; # fixes it :) |
| 03:38.57 | somiaj | if you are using pm-utils there are ways to put that command as a script to run as one of the last things during the resume if you want to automate it |
| 03:39.03 | somiaj | I'd have to look up where to put it though |
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| 04:03.06 | casucci | Hello Everyone. I am having trouble booting Jessie. System would freeze during boot process at different intervals and I can't boot a live USB, which was bootable earlier today. I think it is a hardware problem. Graphics card? BIOS? Any ideas? |
| 04:03.54 | somiaj | sounds like really bad memory |
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| 04:04.25 | shay_shay | yeah i had virt-manager installed, and it had a vm, called "generic26", and i uninstalled virt-manager and installed gnome-boxes which also uses libvirt. now when i try to add a new vm it asks me if i want to import generic26, and when i select it it says the URI is empty. does anyone know how to clear all this stuff out? |
| 04:05.25 | somiaj | casucci: if it freezes at different points that seem 'random' memory is a lot of the time the culprit. Basically what happens is things run fine until they store something on the bad memeory block and it isn't always the same thing storing on the bad memory block |
| 04:05.48 | somiaj | casucci: memtest86 is a good way to test memory, but if that won't boot not sure what. |
| 04:06.45 | somiaj | shay_shay: can you find the instance with virsh and just remove it? |
| 04:07.02 | somiaj | shay_shay: virsh list --all |
| 04:07.26 | shay_shay | it shows nothing |
| 04:07.40 | casucci | somiaj, thanks! I will keep trying to boot the live USB. Memtest86 is part of that. So installing a new memory card may fix the problem? |
| 04:07.55 | somiaj | shay_shay: virsh -c qemu:///system list --all |
| 04:08.11 | somiaj | shay_shay: sorry defaults to the users and not the systems (I just have an aliahs for virsh to always use system) |
| 04:08.39 | somiaj | casucci: may provided it is the machien memeory that is not the issue, not other memory such as on the cpu or on the gpu |
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| 04:08.48 | shay_shay | somiaj: that shows : generic26 shut off |
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| 04:09.14 | somiaj | shay_shay: man virsh, just remove that entry |
| 04:09.35 | somiaj | shay_shay: since I assume you just want to get rid of it, virsh just allows you to say scrap it, actually I think the command is discard |
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| 04:10.15 | casucci | somiaj, will memtest86 tell me that? |
| 04:10.44 | somiaj | casucci: nope, memtest86 will just test the system memeory |
| 04:11.22 | casucci | somiaj, so if that's ok, then it could possibly be cpu/gpu? |
| 04:11.28 | somiaj | casucci: but if even memtest86 can't boot, it is really bad memory that just fails right away, or a more core issue on your system. |
| 04:11.40 | shay_shay | somiaj: ok thanks :) |
| 04:11.57 | somiaj | casucci: yea, and sometimes the best way to check hardware is one piece at a time in another board you know to work |
| 04:12.48 | somiaj | shay_shay: it is undefine |
| 04:13.16 | somiaj | shay_shay: virsh -c qemu:///system undefine generic26 (will get rid of all the XML info about that domain) |
| 04:13.35 | casucci | somiaj, thank you. You've given me hope. :) |
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| 04:16.41 | shay_shay | somiaj: ok thanks.. that man page was full of nomenclature i am not used to |
| 04:17.20 | shay_shay | i.e. searching for the string "delete" or "remove" didnt help |
| 04:17.33 | shay_shay | and it was too big to find page by page |
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| 04:18.00 | shay_shay | i mean i would have *eventually* found it :) |
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| 04:18.49 | somiaj | shay_shay: yea it gets me everytime I have to look it up |
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| 04:19.06 | somiaj | shay_shay: really you don't delete anything if you undefine a instance you just destroy the xml, the actual vm is still there |
| 04:19.27 | somiaj | shay_shay: and it is the oposite of define, is used to define a new instance |
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| 04:19.50 | shay_shay | the vm in question was actually already gone |
| 04:20.45 | somiaj | Well hopefully things work fine now, I personaly use virsh but it is a slow learning processes for how rarely I use it |
| 04:21.16 | shay_shay | one of these days i need to learn how to use those tools better but i have bigger fish to fry... like getting better at my job |
| 04:22.03 | shay_shay | right now, learning js and vim |
| 04:22.10 | somiaj | shay_shay: have you run vimtutor? |
| 04:22.21 | shay_shay | i'm on vimregextutor now |
| 04:22.24 | somiaj | or you know the basics and want to get good at all the quick shortcuts (none of which I use) |
| 04:22.35 | shay_shay | i'm learning vimL |
| 04:23.08 | shay_shay | i want to be able to write full fledged extensions |
| 04:23.22 | shay_shay | i edit g-code for work, i'm a machinist |
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| 04:23.28 | shay_shay | i want to automate my work |
| 04:24.15 | shay_shay | vim is a great foundation for that, i dont have to reinvent the wheel |
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| 04:44.53 | amicuscuriae | How do we disable the Bash history? |
| 04:45.01 | amicuscuriae | I tried everything but it just won't work for User |
| 04:45.06 | amicuscuriae | it does for root though |
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| 05:01.42 | shay_shay | amicuscuriae: why would you disable it? |
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| 05:03.58 | amicuscuriae | shay_shay, to hide tracks |
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| 05:05.04 | shay_shay | you can just remove the .bash_history ... but if you want to cover your tracks and you disable history all together then people will know you are hiding something |
| 05:05.12 | shay_shay | best thing to do is to use /bin/sh |
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| 05:05.48 | s3a | I just built a new computer, and the beep command doesn't make a beep even on my earphones/speakers instead of through built-in mic (which I didn't put in comp). I did modprobe pcspkr and that doesn't make it work either. |
| 05:05.59 | s3a | Could someone please help me get the beeping to work? |
| 05:07.32 | s3a | and also rmmod pcspkr |
| 05:08.25 | Chocolate_Chip | I am installing a driver package from source and I was promted to locate the kernel build directory. The default is /usr/src/linux but that directory is empty |
| 05:08.29 | Chocolate_Chip | Is that the valid directory? |
| 05:08.38 | Chocolate_Chip | What should I do |
| 05:09.51 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: why don't you get the driver from Debian repo? |
| 05:09.54 | s3a | Please help, because my alarm clock scripts depend on that beep to wake me up. |
| 05:10.03 | Chocolate_Chip | Doesn't exist in the repo |
| 05:10.30 | s3a | and i rly need to go to bed and wake up on time |
| 05:10.44 | Chocolate_Chip | s3a, try using terminal beeps |
| 05:10.53 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: what driver? |
| 05:10.57 | s3a | Chocolate_Chip, i am using the command beep |
| 05:11.01 | s3a | and it's not making a beep |
| 05:11.10 | s3a | i tried loading and unloading the pcspkr kernel module |
| 05:11.20 | Chocolate_Chip | shay_shay, a Connexnet HSF Modem Driver |
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| 05:12.32 | Chocolate_Chip | The website says there was a .deb for it, called hsfmodem |
| 05:12.37 | Chocolate_Chip | I didn't find it |
| 05:13.01 | Chocolate_Chip | I have the tar ball |
| 05:13.25 | Chocolate_Chip | All I need is the directory for "the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel" |
| 05:13.38 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: well you need to get the Linux source from apt-get |
| 05:13.49 | Chocolate_Chip | oK. What package |
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| 05:14.25 | shay_shay | linux-source |
| 05:14.59 | Chocolate_Chip | Thank you |
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| 05:15.34 | s3a | could someone please help me get the beep command to work? |
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| 05:15.56 | shay_shay | Chocolate_Chip: if that didn't do it I guess you just needed the headers |
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| 05:16.19 | Chocolate_Chip | s3a, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_character |
| 05:16.31 | shay_shay | printf \a |
| 05:16.33 | Chocolate_Chip | echo -e "\a" |
| 05:16.37 | shay_shay | woof |
| 05:16.40 | Chocolate_Chip | echo $'\a' |
| 05:16.45 | shay_shay | woof |
| 05:17.16 | s3a | keep in mind that I did not install an "ancient speaker" in this comp |
| 05:17.22 | s3a | i want beeping thru modern speakers |
| 05:17.37 | Chocolate_Chip | So my kernel build folder is /usr/src/linux-config-3.16 |
| 05:17.51 | Chocolate_Chip | That is the folder I tell the compiler? |
| 05:18.01 | s3a | btw those suggestions didn't work. |
| 05:18.58 | shay_shay | s3a: this will make the terminal bell happen ---> printf \a |
| 05:19.13 | shay_shay | the solution as to why it wont go through your speakers is something else |
| 05:19.16 | s3a | i don't hear anything in my earphones |
| 05:19.26 | shay_shay | yeah but that doesnt mean the command doesnt work |
| 05:19.27 | s3a | o so what's that solution |
| 05:19.38 | shay_shay | i dunno, i just told you what the test is |
| 05:20.17 | s3a | how do i even search for this? when i search, i get a bunch of listings where people want to disable their beeping |
| 05:20.52 | shay_shay | s3a: logical search operators |
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| 05:21.11 | shay_shay | you need to take advantage of negation of certain keywords |
| 05:21.37 | s3a | how do i do that? |
| 05:21.38 | shay_shay | i.e. show me all the pages that has "this" and not "that" |
| 05:21.42 | shay_shay | this -that |
| 05:21.44 | shay_shay | or |
| 05:22.03 | shay_shay | show all pages that have "this that" but not "that this" |
| 05:22.13 | shay_shay | "this that" -"that this" |
| 05:22.27 | shay_shay | the quotes hold them together and make them literal strings |
| 05:22.29 | s3a | so "linux beep on -off" (without the quotes)? |
| 05:22.40 | shay_shay | yeah but quotes do something in google |
| 05:22.55 | shay_shay | quotes make the word splitting not happen |
| 05:22.55 | s3a | i did say without them |
| 05:23.07 | s3a | but thx |
| 05:23.34 | shay_shay | https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en |
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| 05:25.47 | s3a | shay_shay, thx for that 2 |
| 05:25.58 | s3a | i'm gonna reboot |
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| 05:39.06 | iamrohit7 | how to apply infinality patches? |
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| 05:42.22 | shay_shay | iamrohit7: https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Debian-Packages |
| 05:42.26 | shay_shay | did you see this? |
| 05:42.32 | iamrohit7 | yes. |
| 05:42.40 | shay_shay | the build.sh scripts just build debian packages |
| 05:43.03 | iamrohit7 | but the build scripts cannot download from download.savannah |
| 05:44.30 | shay_shay | then theres something wrong with the part inside the $() on line 3: https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Debian-Packages/blob/master/freetype-infinality/build.sh |
| 05:44.31 | iamrohit7 | shay_shay: last night, they didn't work. now they work fine. thanks |
| 05:44.37 | shay_shay | oh |
| 05:44.39 | shay_shay | ok |
| 05:44.58 | shay_shay | maybe your internet was down |
| 05:45.00 | shay_shay | :D |
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| 05:45.58 | iamrohit7 | shay_shay: now it cannot find debuild on line 20 |
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| 05:49.05 | shay_shay | uh |
| 05:49.32 | iamrohit7 | nevermind, i just need to install devscripts package |
| 05:49.57 | shay_shay | i was going to say that.. for some reason my tab complete didnt work so i thought you already left |
| 05:50.23 | shay_shay | weird, it works now |
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| 05:58.17 | Chocolate_Chip | What is a good program to access Dial-up services through a command line? |
| 05:59.41 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, you seem unable to google. everything you ask is the first answer in google. every day. what's the deal? |
| 05:59.49 | Chocolate_Chip | i tired google |
| 05:59.53 | Chocolate_Chip | Well, not google |
| 05:59.57 | Chocolate_Chip | DuckDuckGO |
| 06:00.00 | markybob | well, google |
| 06:00.06 | Chocolate_Chip | For some reason syncterm is not working |
| 06:00.18 | Chocolate_Chip | And I am asking for alternatives |
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| 06:00.59 | markybob | Chocolate_Chip, no one wants to help people who don't try (show to try) that they helped themselves. first, second time, sure. it gets tiring. |
| 06:01.18 | Chocolate_Chip | All I did was ask for a good propgram to access Dial-Up servies |
| 06:01.20 | hassoon | why are some people daring to compare this random DuckDuckGO with the giant Google? :O |
| 06:01.23 | Chocolate_Chip | That's all I did |
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| 06:04.20 | Jonno_FTW | which script is called when I open a terminal? |
| 06:04.27 | Jonno_FTW | bash_profile or profile? |
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| 06:08.39 | lagoz | Jonno_FTW: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-Startup-Files.html |
| 06:09.40 | olf-folks | is there a upto date guide for setting up email server useing postfix/dovecot for debian 8? everything i try to follow that i can find dose not work (services complain about the confiuration options being out of date) |
| 06:09.47 | Jonno_FTW | lagoz: ty |
| 06:09.54 | lagoz | uw |
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| 06:12.26 | hypermist | any good guides for building your own distro ? off debian 8 or lower |
| 06:13.12 | markybob | hypermist, pretty simply google. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 06:13.52 | asm35 | olf-folks: did you try this link ? http://appbead.com/blog/how-to-setup-mail-server-on-debian-8-jessie-with-postfix-dovecot-1.html |
| 06:14.02 | asm35 | it's been a good start for me |
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| 06:16.41 | olf-folks | thanks much asm35 |
| 06:18.03 | hypermist | thanks markybob i'll see how i go |
| 06:18.04 | hypermist | haha |
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| 07:03.36 | FiendKing04 | Hello. I was hoping to get some help with VirtualHosts. I recently had to restore my VPS and so am resetting everything up, and I followed several StackOverflow, DigialOcean and Debian articles on how to get it set up. All of the syntax looks right, but when I type in the domain, I keep getting a 404 error. I've restarted/reloaded Apache multiple times. I use CloudFlare, and made sure that the |
| 07:03.36 | FiendKing04 | IP was correct. I also made sure that everything in ports.conf matched what was in the virtual host .conf. |
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| 07:06.29 | lagoz | Jonno_FTW: https://fam.tuwien.ac.at/~schamane/_/blog:110814_bash_shell_startup_files_in_debian_squeeze |
| 07:07.22 | lagoz | Jonno_FTW: read down to ~/.profile |
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| 07:21.11 | NoirLess | wut. Crashed lol |
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| 07:30.16 | hypermist | can someone find me a download link or help me find a download link for brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw ? |
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| 07:32.56 | MikeSeth | hypermist: uhm I think it's in non-free |
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| 07:33.11 | MikeSeth | firmware-brcm80211 IIRC |
| 07:33.29 | hypermist | how do i even get to non-free ? |
| 07:33.49 | MikeSeth | hypermist: do you know how APT sources work? |
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| 07:34.01 | MikeSeth | http://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
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| 07:34.43 | hypermist | MikeSeth, how can i do that when im trying to install debian xD |
| 07:35.08 | FiendKing04 | Pretty sure you can edit sources while installing, can't you? |
| 07:35.15 | hypermist | Dont know xD |
| 07:35.22 | FiendKing04 | Maybe not, been a while since I've done it without going through a CP. |
| 07:35.32 | themill | hypermist: maybe you need to explain what it is you're doing |
| 07:35.57 | hypermist | im trying to install debian and its missing a firmware tahts in non-free. and i need to download it. so i can stick it on the usb or something |
| 07:36.03 | MikeSeth | do you -need- that driver during the installation? |
| 07:36.18 | hypermist | yes |
| 07:36.25 | themill | !installer firmware |
| 07:36.26 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 07:36.26 | hypermist | Cause its a netinst iso |
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| 07:36.53 | MikeSeth | hypermist: oh, no additional internet connection during install? |
| 07:37.04 | hypermist | MikeSeth, nope its only wifi xD |
| 07:37.21 | MikeSeth | hypermist: go to packages.debian.org, search for the package in your distro, download it |
| 07:37.35 | MikeSeth | or do what the folks above said |
| 07:37.36 | FiendKing04 | While some of you are around, could you take a look at what I said earlier about virtualhost? |
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| 07:38.57 | themill | FiendKing04: step 1 is always to look at what the webserver said about the request in its error logs |
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| 07:39.56 | FiendKing04 | I'll double check, but I'm not sure if it's even getting to the server based on the error that CloudFlare is giving me. It could be a DNS issue? Not sure. But thanks, I'll go double check. |
| 07:40.22 | iamrohit7 | i installed debian jessie. my system is stuck at 800MHz even if it can clock upto 1.8GHz. i can set frequency using cpufreq-set but the frequency wont change. what should i do? |
| 07:40.42 | MikeSeth | iamrohit7: wrong governor |
| 07:40.46 | hypermist | i guess i could skip it just means it wont have net and would that be bad for netinst ? |
| 07:41.17 | MikeSeth | hypermist: given that netinst would attempt to install from the network.. |
| 07:41.26 | themill | only if you ask it to |
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| 07:42.47 | DarsVaeda | hi, I'm on the grub rescue console trying to fix grub...i'm stuck at "insmod linux" cause I get "file not found" and I can actually not find the file in /boot/grub |
| 07:43.04 | DarsVaeda | is there a chance I can fix that from that onsole |
| 07:43.21 | iamrohit7 | MikeSeth: i have a core2duo cpu. cpu0 uses userspace and cpu1 uses ondemand, both have frequency steps till 1.8GHz as found by cpufreq-info. |
| 07:43.27 | FiendKing04 | The only thing in the error log is a couple of lines about Pyhton. |
| 07:43.32 | FiendKing04 | Python* |
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| 07:43.51 | iamrohit7 | MikeSeth: i cannot change governor to performance using cpufreq-set. |
| 07:44.13 | MikeSeth | Immanuel: because? |
| 07:45.21 | MikeSeth | FiendKing04: this is an apache question. I would override the DNS and perform a query around cloudflare directly to the server |
| 07:46.00 | FiendKing04 | Yeah, I know Sorry, just figured because it was installed on Debian, and since a lot of people use it might've been able to be answered here. |
| 07:46.26 | FiendKing04 | That is something I was thinking about doing but haven't done yet. Thanks. |
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| 07:46.44 | MikeSeth | FiendKing04: also, tcpdump/ngrep etc |
| 07:46.45 | hypermist | found the firmware so that should be all good now |
| 07:46.46 | hypermist | :D |
| 07:47.21 | hypermist | http://mirror.overthewire.com.au/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ was in the guide that themill did with the !Installer firmware command otr whatever |
| 07:47.25 | FiendKing04 | Yeah, now it doesn't show the CloudFlare, but just fails to load without a 404 or anything. |
| 07:47.28 | MikeSeth | hypermist: I wouldn't be so happy, brcms drivers have a history of surprises |
| 07:47.36 | FiendKing04 | So now I'm leaning more and more towards a DNS issue. |
| 07:47.43 | hypermist | True but its detected it MikeSeth |
| 07:47.45 | MikeSeth | FiendKing04: I don't know how cloudflare works so can't help you there |
| 07:47.54 | FiendKing04 | I turned it off temporarily. |
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| 07:48.07 | veek | how do i fix no sound in chromium |
| 07:48.10 | hypermist | Its most likely a dns issue FiendKing04 |
| 07:48.16 | FiendKing04 | If it is a DNS issue, where would I start (assuming no CloudFlare)? |
| 07:48.18 | veek | jessie, flash plays but no audio |
| 07:48.19 | hypermist | Cloudflare only caches the site for you |
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| 07:49.37 | MikeSeth | veek: sound works otherwise? |
| 07:49.54 | veek | MikeSeth, yep |
| 07:50.04 | veek | works in Firefox/mplayer alsa alsamixer |
| 07:50.10 | MikeSeth | veek: so no sound in flash/html5? |
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| 07:50.34 | veek | well youtube+chromium don't work (audio ) |
| 07:50.49 | veek | lemme try installing pepperflash |
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| 07:52.36 | veek | well that's odd.. pepper-flash installs google-chrome (dl's it) |
| 07:53.06 | veek | and it blocks Ctrl-C too |
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| 07:54.50 | JyZyXEL | haswell graphics tears really really badly on jessie |
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| 07:55.33 | JyZyXEL | makes videos simply unwatchable |
| 07:55.46 | veek | JyZyXEL, that's the HD6600 stuff? |
| 07:55.53 | JyZyXEL | HD4600 |
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| 07:56.41 | veek | ah.. so.. poor support? or is this a kde/gnome thing |
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| 07:56.52 | veek | X driver issue or..? |
| 07:57.16 | JyZyXEL | probably driver issue? |
| 07:57.46 | veek | you were using mplayer? |
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| 07:58.01 | JyZyXEL | i tried with mplayer, mpv, vlc |
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| 08:04.51 | JyZyXEL | maybe jessie just has too old Xorg and kernel |
| 08:05.25 | FiendKing04 | I figured out the issue. :P |
| 08:05.30 | FiendKing04 | It was a DNS issue. |
| 08:05.37 | FiendKing04 | Thanks for the help. :] |
| 08:05.54 | JyZyXEL | hmm jessie-backports has a newer xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 08:06.02 | JyZyXEL | might be worth a try |
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| 08:11.42 | shn_ | hello |
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| 08:13.17 | hypermist | its gunna take 1h 4min+ for debian net inst to installed |
| 08:13.18 | hypermist | xD |
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| 08:13.44 | nkuttler | sounds like you're installing a desktop environment? |
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| 08:13.56 | northstar | i think hd4600 requires the legacy drivers. fglrx legacy. |
| 08:14.43 | hypermist | nkuttler, yup |
| 08:14.50 | hypermist | and im installing it on a bad internet connection |
| 08:14.50 | hypermist | xD |
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| 08:16.52 | northstar | in that scenario i'd prob just not install x or a desktop and add it later. or preferably just use cd #1 and skip internet. |
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| 08:17.27 | hypermist | bleh its all good i have no problem waiting cause im doing bearly anything anyway |
| 08:17.27 | hypermist | xD |
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| 08:21.21 | ShrewdSpirit | Hello. How can I get rid of my hard disk spinning down so frequently? |
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| 08:23.35 | planetmaker | ShrewdSpirit, sounds to me like a bios setting |
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| 08:24.16 | ShrewdSpirit | planetmaker: I'm on laptop BTW and couldn't find any settings for HDD in BIOS |
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| 08:34.19 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: what hdd is it |
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| 08:34.49 | northstar | could be a power management setting, too. |
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| 08:35.07 | ShrewdSpirit | I don't have this problem on Windows |
| 08:35.11 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: How should I know? |
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| 08:35.47 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: iirc hdparm controls spindown |
| 08:35.56 | ShrewdSpirit | I don't have hdparm |
| 08:36.11 | RoyK | then install it |
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| 08:36.17 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: hdparm as sudo |
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| 08:36.46 | RoyK | yeah - sudo -i # then hdparm |
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| 08:36.53 | RoyK | or man hdparm to see how it works |
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| 08:37.55 | Fjorgynn | only I know is my disk has been running 40k hrs |
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| 08:39.13 | RoyK | 4,5Y disk spin is a wee bit for a laptop |
| 08:39.28 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: My HDD is WDC WD10JPVX-22JC3T0 :-? |
| 08:39.44 | Fjorgynn | !pastebin |
| 08:39.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:39.59 | Fjorgynn | use one of these and paste the whole output |
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| 08:40.20 | ShrewdSpirit | http://dpaste.com/22TDT00 |
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| 08:42.08 | Fjorgynn | it's a WD blue? |
| 08:42.29 | ShrewdSpirit | Blue? |
| 08:42.51 | Fjorgynn | according to google |
| 08:43.48 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: what I'd strongly suggest, is getting an SSD instead ;) |
| 08:44.09 | ShrewdSpirit | I should but they are soooooooo expensive here |
| 08:44.20 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: where do you live? |
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| 08:44.25 | ShrewdSpirit | Iran |
| 08:44.30 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: oh |
| 08:44.37 | Fjorgynn | Iran... |
| 08:44.56 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: I thought most of the sanctions were lifted recently |
| 08:45.18 | ShrewdSpirit | No, not much :( US has lied to us |
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| 08:45.50 | g00se | What is the device id - /dev/sda ? |
| 08:46.58 | ShrewdSpirit | g00se: Of mine? |
| 08:47.22 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: how much does an SSD cost there? |
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| 08:47.48 | g00se | Yes |
| 08:47.55 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: Hold on .. |
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| 08:48.15 | ShrewdSpirit | g00se: It should be here http://dpaste.com/22TDT00 ? |
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| 08:48.31 | fredl_ | hi folks |
| 08:48.45 | fredl_ | I downloaded the latest testing netinst ISO |
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| 08:49.03 | fredl_ | and I copied it to my USB stick with dd |
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| 08:49.25 | fredl_ | Now I'd like to put some non-free firmware on it in /firmware |
| 08:49.33 | g00se | It isn't there. Do sudo hdparm -B /dev/sda |
| 08:49.51 | fredl_ | but seems like the first partition is somehow write protected |
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| 08:50.23 | fredl_ | oh it's there and it's sde BTW |
| 08:50.34 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: 1TB Adata is 1900000 tumans (Around $542) |
| 08:51.03 | fredl_ | see two partitions on it, one that says under 'System' 'Empty' |
| 08:51.16 | fredl_ | and one that's EFI and much smaller |
| 08:51.18 | ShrewdSpirit | g00se: http://dpaste.com/1C9XHNM |
| 08:51.30 | hassoon | xzoom is cute :> |
| 08:52.00 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: what does a 120 gb ssd cost in iran? |
| 08:52.05 | fredl_ | weird thing (to me at least) is that fdisk -l shows /dev/sde1p1 instead of what I would expect just sde1 |
| 08:52.41 | fredl_ | Anyway, the USB stick itself isn't write-protected or anythign |
| 08:52.56 | fredl_ | seems just the first partition is |
| 08:53.25 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: Adata SX900 SSD Drive - 128GB is 370000 tumans (~ $105) |
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| 08:53.40 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: guess that's about the same as here - large SSDs are expensive, although samsung 850 isn't that bad - do you really need 1TB SSD? what about a smaller SSD and a larger spinning disk? |
| 08:53.50 | g00se | ShrewdSpirit: Try http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=104889#p501723 |
| 08:53.53 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: that's not that much. But that's because I probably have an higher income than you |
| 08:53.59 | fredl_ | oww talking to somebody else :P |
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| 08:54.32 | Fjorgynn | $2 061.607 after taxes |
| 08:54.33 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: what's the average (monthly) income in Iran? |
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| 08:56.39 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: Yeah, but 1900000 is too much for us. If there was no sanctions and stuff, ~1200 tumans should be $1. But now $1 is ~3500 tumans. Monthly income average should be around $600-500 |
| 08:56.59 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: ouch - not a whole lot |
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| 08:58.02 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: Yeah, that's for most people. But other employed people like my dad gets ~$1000 per month. It depends on job |
| 08:58.12 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: I have no job :( |
| 08:58.25 | Fjorgynn | :( |
| 08:58.27 | Fjorgynn | Get a job. |
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| 08:58.49 | RoyK | Fjorgynn: not always that easy :P |
| 08:58.59 | Fjorgynn | Or do as everyone else. Move to Sweden. Half Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afhanistan is here because of Bush/Obama. |
| 08:59.03 | ShrewdSpirit | g00se: Is that premanent or it will be lost if I disconnect from AC or reboot? |
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| 08:59.28 | Fjorgynn | read somewhere you must put it in rc.conf or something |
| 08:59.31 | Fjorgynn | the hdparm command |
| 08:59.33 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: I can't. I should finish the military service to get a job. I'm currently a student |
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| 08:59.40 | RoyK | Fjorgynn: /etc/rc.local |
| 08:59.47 | Fjorgynn | whatever |
| 08:59.49 | Fjorgynn | :D |
| 08:59.54 | RoyK | one sec |
| 08:59.57 | hassoon | screw the countries obliging people to do the so-called mimitary service |
| 08:59.59 | Fjorgynn | ShrewdSpirit: rocket engineer? |
| 09:00.10 | RoyK | see /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 09:00.12 | Fjorgynn | hassoon: long live the military and their service. |
| 09:00.25 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: see /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 09:00.29 | ShrewdSpirit | Fjorgynn: what? :D |
| 09:00.31 | hassoon | spits on iran |
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| 09:00.55 | hassoon | are you iran? nope |
| 09:00.56 | hassoon | !D |
| 09:00.57 | dpkg | somebody said d was a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29, or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 09:00.58 | hassoon | * :D |
| 09:01.04 | Fjorgynn | hassoon: Long live Vladimir Putin? |
| 09:01.07 | RoyK | hassoon: please, even if the .ir govt isn't good, that doesn't mean the people are bad... |
| 09:01.12 | ShrewdSpirit | hassoon: Don't be rude bro :) |
| 09:01.21 | hassoon | ShrewdSpirit: are you iran? nope |
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| 09:01.58 | ShrewdSpirit | hassoon: But I'm an Iranian. You should spit on the government not the country itself :) |
| 09:02.16 | babilen | Maybe you could continue this in #debian-offtopic? |
| 09:02.18 | hassoon | a country is basically a gouvernment, between us |
| 09:02.19 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit++ |
| 09:02.33 | hassoon | not the human civilisation filling it |
| 09:02.52 | RoyK | hassoon: did you see what happened last time the iranian people went to the streets to protest? |
| 09:02.54 | hassoon | look at the world around you, gouvernments are everywhere :D |
| 09:03.09 | hassoon | RoyK: dunno, nor i care to know :D |
| 09:03.23 | hassoon | laughs on crazy protesters foolign around outdoors in crowds |
| 09:03.31 | hassoon | laughs at * |
| 09:03.36 | RoyK | hassoon: read up a bit before you start harassing people |
| 09:03.58 | hassoon | nah, i read alot, but i won't read about that. |
| 09:04.11 | RoyK | then please keep quiet |
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| 09:04.37 | hassoon | an i'm not harrassing anyone, so hey, you sit down and stay quiet instead, son. |
| 09:04.39 | hassoon | and * |
| 09:04.42 | alfie | hi |
| 09:04.43 | SynrGy | again, #debian-offtopic, please |
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| 09:04.44 | babilen | Please drop it |
| 09:04.44 | g00se | !debian-offtopic |
| 09:04.50 | hassoon | SynrGy: sir . |
| 09:05.01 | alfie | hi |
| 09:05.12 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: did you check /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
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| 09:05.31 | ShrewdSpirit | Hold on :D |
| 09:05.40 | ShrewdSpirit | I was reading the post g00se gave me |
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| 09:06.42 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: So should I put hdparm -B 200 /dev/sda in the config file or the rc file? |
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| 09:08.21 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: no, look fo -B in there - there's apm = (something) setting there |
| 09:08.30 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: and see the hdparm manual for details |
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| 09:09.16 | ShrewdSpirit | Hmm so I guess using -B 255 should totally disable the power management |
| 09:09.23 | ShrewdSpirit | Does that harm the HDD? |
| 09:09.44 | ShrewdSpirit | It will be always spinning |
| 09:09.46 | g00se | ShrewdSpirit: Don't overdo it. Copy the file at the link and reboot |
| 09:09.57 | ShrewdSpirit | Okay |
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| 09:10.14 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: shouldn't harm it |
| 09:10.35 | RoyK | might harm your battery time, though |
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| 09:11.04 | ShrewdSpirit | My battery is screwed up! |
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| 09:11.13 | ShrewdSpirit | I'll be right back |
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| 09:15.19 | ShrewdSpirit | I guess it's not spinning down too much like before |
| 09:15.33 | RoyK | what did you set it to? |
| 09:15.36 | ShrewdSpirit | 200 |
| 09:15.56 | RoyK | does hdparm -B /dev/sda confirm that? |
| 09:16.18 | ShrewdSpirit | D: it says 128 |
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| 09:16.45 | RoyK | did you remove the # in front of apm = 200 ? |
| 09:17.45 | ShrewdSpirit | There was no # |
| 09:18.02 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: please pastebin the whole /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 09:18.12 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: also - which version of debian is this? |
| 09:18.31 | ShrewdSpirit | I just did `sudo hdparm -B 200 /dev/sda` and it said apm set to 200 |
| 09:18.37 | ShrewdSpirit | Okay, I'm on Jessie |
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| 09:19.31 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: that won't last over a reboot - try to set it to something else, change /etc/hdparm.conf and issue 'systemctl restart hdparm' and check hdparm -B again to confirm it's changed |
| 09:20.11 | RoyK | but please pastebin the config first - you might have messed it up ;) |
| 09:20.15 | ShrewdSpirit | http://dpaste.com/2YC3E7K < hdparm.conf |
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| 09:21.12 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: remove that 'command line' thing - see the line with '#apm = 255' - remove the # and set the number appropiately |
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| 09:21.41 | RoyK | line 41 in the paste |
| 09:22.00 | ShrewdSpirit | Oh, btw I restarted hdparm with systemctl and now it's set to a new value (201) |
| 09:22.12 | ShrewdSpirit | But why didn't that happen on a restart |
| 09:22.56 | RoyK | did you change the config like I said? |
| 09:23.00 | ShrewdSpirit | Yeah |
| 09:23.23 | ShrewdSpirit | Lemme reboot |
| 09:23.28 | RoyK | :) |
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| 09:25.42 | JyZyXEL | what is this damn pinentry dialog that keeps popping up in kde asking for some OpenPGP passphrase |
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| 09:26.44 | ShrewdSpirit | APM is still 128. I guess my laptop hates me |
| 09:27.24 | RoyK | perhaps systemctl enable hdparm |
| 09:27.32 | RoyK | and systemctl start hdparm |
| 09:27.46 | ShrewdSpirit | Would it set it on boot? |
| 09:27.49 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: I haven't used hdparm for years... |
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| 09:28.07 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: should do - after systemctl start hdparm, hdparm -B should report the new value |
| 09:28.40 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: if it does, you might want to try another reboot to see if it sticks |
| 09:28.49 | ShrewdSpirit | Well, it's still 128 :( But if I change it myself `hdparm -B 200 /dev/sda` it will be set to the new value |
| 09:29.17 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: then there's the cowboy version of it - add hdparm -B 200 /dev/sda to /etc/rc.local before the exit line |
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| 09:29.35 | RoyK | the cowboy *way* |
| 09:30.25 | ShrewdSpirit | Okay |
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| 09:32.44 | ShrewdSpirit | APM_level = 200 \o/ |
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| 09:32.57 | RoyK | :) |
| 09:33.05 | ShrewdSpirit | Now I should see how often it spins down :-? |
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| 09:33.30 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: /etc/rc.local usually works - but it should be the last thing to try |
| 09:33.41 | ShrewdSpirit | Why? Is that evil? |
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| 09:33.53 | ShrewdSpirit | "last thing to try" |
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| 09:35.01 | RoyK | nah - but it's better to use services and their config files instead of just hacking it into /etc/rc.local - for your home pc, ok, but if you've got a few hundred servers, you want things to remain the same all over, and you'd better learn how to do that properly in the first place |
| 09:35.43 | RoyK | but then - if some bug shows up and hdparm.conf won't help, hack it into /etc/rc.local - that usually works :) |
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| 09:36.37 | ShrewdSpirit | Yeah, I think I should put something more in that rc file >:) |
| 09:37.02 | ShrewdSpirit | Thank you RoyK, Fjorgynn and g00se for the help |
| 09:37.23 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: better try to learn how to do it properly, the debian way, with systemd - you'll learn more |
| 09:38.14 | ShrewdSpirit | Yeah I should learn more. I think systemctl is same as service in centos, right? |
| 09:38.34 | RoyK | centos/rhel v7 also uses systemd, yes |
| 09:38.56 | RoyK | ubuntu has also made the switch from 15.04 or something |
| 09:39.53 | ShrewdSpirit | Only Debian and Arch :d Others are not that good (In my experience) -_- |
| 09:40.20 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: I like Debian (and Ubuntu) too, but at work, we mostly use rhel or centos |
| 09:41.13 | MethylatorX | basicly what systemd does ? |
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| 09:41.35 | RoyK | MethylatorX: it's a replacement for SysV init |
| 09:41.45 | ShrewdSpirit | I find it too hard to setup and use Centos, specially on a remote server. I've screwed up my VPS many times while setting up the Centos :D |
| 09:42.15 | RoyK | MethylatorX: instead of just init scripts, it takes care of dependencies, starting services that crashes etc |
| 09:42.42 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: everything is hard until you know it ;) |
| 09:43.01 | MethylatorX | does it affect the boot time ? |
| 09:43.12 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 09:43.36 | RoyK | MethylatorX: usually, yes - usually machines boot faster with sytemd since non-dependent services are started in parallel |
| 09:44.06 | MethylatorX | ah that's why it takes 4 seconds on my archlinux |
| 09:44.23 | toogley | hello. i have installed a plain debian minimal system. ethernet network works out of the box, although it seems it wasn't configured through systemd-networkd. how can i find out how it is configured on my machine? |
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| 09:44.47 | RoyK | MethylatorX: sometimes you'll see the login prompt on the console some tens of seconds before it's started services like ssh ;) |
| 09:45.25 | RoyK | MethylatorX: or even a few minutes, depending on what's installed |
| 09:45.29 | MethylatorX | even on ssd ? |
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| 09:45.37 | RoyK | MethylatorX: hardly |
| 09:46.01 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: You're right :D That's why I disappoint in digging much in Linux :( |
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| 09:47.20 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: well, you'll learn it, eventually, and if living in a country whos surveillance is high (which might be a country you live in), using linux may be safer |
| 09:47.40 | rsx | Hi, I'd like to run a script without beeing logged in using a dedicated key combination i.e. CTRl+ALT+#. How can I achieve this? |
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| 09:49.46 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: Yeah, it might take time :d Maybe I learn more when I got a job that all employees should use Linux :d |
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| 09:52.13 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: my mom, 62YO, has never had an education with computing, but she and the school she works for, has been using linux for almost 10 years, for everything, pupils and employees |
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| 09:53.23 | ShrewdSpirit | Nice :o |
| 09:54.31 | ShrewdSpirit | The highschool I was in, was using Windows XP for all of the systems :D Even our university is using Windows XP and 2003 for their servers |
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| 09:56.45 | ShrewdSpirit | Is there a way to make CPU fan work normally? It's always on |
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| 09:57.41 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: not sure - is lm-sensors installed? |
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| 09:58.16 | ShrewdSpirit | I have sensors |
| 09:58.23 | ShrewdSpirit | Are they same? |
| 09:58.46 | RoyK | run sensors |
| 09:59.01 | RoyK | the sensors program is part of lm-sensors |
| 09:59.15 | ShrewdSpirit | http://dpaste.com/3FRRVKB |
| 10:00.06 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: try sensors-detect |
| 10:00.17 | RoyK | doesn't look like you have all detected |
| 10:00.17 | penna_ | is there anything special in loggin iptables in vm? |
| 10:00.45 | penna_ | I can do what I want I do not get any iptables output in syslog or any config file even when I configure rsyslog to log iptables to a special file |
| 10:00.47 | RoyK | penna_: no, a vm is like a physical machine |
| 10:01.06 | RoyK | penna_: using ufw or raw iptables? |
| 10:01.10 | penna_ | raw |
| 10:01.25 | RoyK | do you have a -j LOG (or -j ULOG) in there? |
| 10:01.31 | penna_ | -j LOG |
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| 10:02.11 | RoyK | not sure, then - we're using iptables logging on a *lot* of machines, mostly virtual |
| 10:02.45 | ShrewdSpirit | RoyK: Should I answer yes to all of sensors-detect questions? D: Most of them has no in caps |
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| 10:03.49 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: the basic <enter><enter><enter> spasm-installation should do for most |
| 10:03.58 | ShrewdSpirit | :D |
| 10:04.28 | RoyK | you may want to answer yes to the last one, though, adding the modules to /etc/modules |
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| 10:04.54 | ochiottes | penna_: Do you have your rules in the right order? Meaning first the -j LOG line and then the corresponding -j ACCEPT rule? |
| 10:04.57 | ShrewdSpirit | Okay, `sensors` outputs the same thing |
| 10:05.08 | ShrewdSpirit | (after running sensors-detect) |
| 10:05.16 | penna_ | ochiottes, yes. I put it in front of everything |
| 10:05.35 | penna_ | should spam log file like hell, but not a single log line :( |
| 10:05.44 | RoyK | ShrewdSpirit: not sure, then |
| 10:06.18 | ShrewdSpirit | Okay, thanks |
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| 10:13.19 | CQ | oh ffs... "users" instead of "user" |
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| 10:39.16 | hypermist | i broke my grub install. |
| 10:39.23 | hypermist | So i have to restart the installion of debian dont i ? |
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| 10:41.30 | RoyK | hypermist: just boot on a live thing (usb or cd) and fix it |
| 10:41.47 | hypermist | it was a net inst iso |
| 10:41.52 | hypermist | So i dont know if i can do that RoyK xD |
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| 10:42.33 | penna_ | can you access grub command line when booting? |
| 10:42.47 | hypermist | penna_, only if i choose the usb that its on |
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| 10:43.09 | penna_ | you could boot with it into your system and fix grub from there |
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| 10:51.46 | digin4 | hi, is it true Debian can get me a gf? |
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| 10:54.00 | SirLagz | digin4: yes |
| 10:54.26 | digin4 | 8') |
| 10:55.09 | hypermist | so i fixed the grub menu |
| 10:55.11 | hypermist | and the worst part is. |
| 10:55.15 | hypermist | My logins now dont work... |
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| 10:56.49 | hypermist | any safeboot mode for debian so i can reset pw ? |
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| 10:57.10 | jelly | not really |
| 10:57.12 | jelly | !ifrp |
| 10:57.12 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 10:58.24 | jelly | hm, that fsck step without an additional reboot before step 3) is not a good idea |
| 10:58.40 | hypermist | xD |
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| 10:58.55 | hypermist | so in otherwords i should probably just re-install |
| 10:59.36 | hypermist | not like im going to lose a single thing |
| 10:59.37 | jelly | you can use the same live usb you used for grub fixing, to reset root's password as well |
| 10:59.37 | hypermist | So its alright |
| 10:59.38 | hypermist | xD |
| 10:59.54 | hypermist | ok |
| 11:00.34 | rgr | jelly: why is the fsck bit not a good idea? |
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| 11:01.51 | jelly | rgr: fsck tampers with on-disk data structures directly, and AFAIK kernel won't see those changes without a proper mount (instead of just remount) |
| 11:02.46 | jelly | this is why the automatic fsck procedure at boot reboots again if it had to fsck the root filesystems |
| 11:02.58 | jelly | filesystem* |
| 11:03.35 | iamrohit7 | i use gnome shell and whenever i do a bit intense work, gnome shell shows breaks. this problem occurs after i freshly installed debian jessie. before it was fine. any help? |
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| 11:14.29 | cap3lla | hey all. When I do with "PRINT" key a screenshot the picture is saved unter "~/screenshot of >>2015-09-20 13:12:02<<.png" (I translated from german to english). The issue is: when I try to copy this file to a remote SMB share it fails immediately and this occurs due to the characters < and >. My question is: How can I change the filename pattern that is used for saving screenshots? |
| 11:15.57 | g00se | Are you sure those angle brackets are in the name? |
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| 11:16.37 | jelly | it doesn't really matter, since : can't be used on samba either |
| 11:17.02 | g00se | Ah |
| 11:17.28 | cap3lla | yes, it's something like that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/1050261 |
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| 11:18.18 | cap3lla | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/1054808 is similar |
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| 11:19.40 | g00se | would probably write a 'sambacp' script involving rename |
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| 11:21.33 | cap3lla | I cannot find any entry in "dcon-editor" when I search for the pattern "screenshot of" I cannot find any variable that contains the filename pattern. Any clues ? |
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| 11:25.40 | cap3lla | the funny part is: when I press the default hotkey PRINT or ALT+PRINT the pictures always are saved under ~/ Although in dconf-editor I searched for the gnome-screenshot application and changed the path to ~/some/path It seems that this setting does not take effect. When I manually execute the command "gnome-screenshot" it works, the picture is saved under ~/some/other Conclusion: |
| 11:25.57 | cap3lla | the default keyboard under Gnome-Settings do NOT launch "gnome-screenshot" but any other command? Is that true? |
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| 11:28.20 | rgr | fwiw, I use scrot -q80 'shot-%Y%m%d-%H.%M.%S.jpg' -e 'mv $f ~/tmp/' in a small shell script. |
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| 11:28.36 | rgr | (using xmonad its boubd to my print key) |
| 11:28.41 | rgr | bound. |
| 11:30.06 | rgr | or to select a region with the mouse : sleep 0.2;scrot -d3 -q80 -s 'shot-%Y%m%d-%H.%M.%S.jpg' -e 'mv $f ~/tmp && eog ~/tmp/$f' |
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| 11:31.52 | cap3lla | rgr: sure, but I don't want to invent something that already exists |
| 11:32.05 | cap3lla | I could install shutter, hotshots, lookit, etc... , too |
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| 11:35.21 | rgr | well, my point was scrot has its reasons. highly configurable, fast etc. Also not tied in with your wm/de so you're not hunting around inside those awful dconf hacks. |
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| 11:37.25 | machan | Hi |
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| 11:37.49 | RoyK | ho |
| 11:38.06 | anddam | where should I look in order to manage programs starting at X session login? |
| 11:38.26 | cap3lla | I cannot believe there is no way to change the default pattern for filename creation in gnome-screenshots |
| 11:38.29 | anddam | lightdm and xfce, I didn't do anything "special" but I see pidgin and another program starting at boot |
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| 11:38.40 | cap3lla | Of course I could run manually a "rename 's/\:/\-/g' *.png" in the screenshot directory, but that's insane |
| 11:38.56 | anddam | cap3lla: IIRC there is, you have to suffer through their gnome preferences editor (not installed by default with gnome) |
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| 11:39.22 | cap3lla | even when I'd install shutter, it depends/needs gnome-screenshots |
| 11:39.43 | anddam | cap3lla: This Is GNOME (cit. Leonidas) |
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| 11:40.07 | g00se | Can someone kindly remind me in what directory mysql tables are kept? |
| 11:40.35 | anddam | I just watched a FreeBSD talk about development in next years, lot of system centralization for any kind of preferences |
| 11:40.41 | anddam | Makes Lot of Sense (tm) |
| 11:40.46 | cap3lla | anddam: :) |
| 11:40.58 | cap3lla | g00se: /var/lib/mysql ? |
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| 11:45.29 | g00se | cap3lla: Thanks |
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| 11:51.07 | anddam | anyone about the xfce session autostarting apps? |
| 11:51.37 | anddam | I don't know if it's centralized or is some xfce idiosyncrasy |
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| 12:15.04 | cashuser | hello, does someone know where the gnucash example file are in jessie ? |
| 12:15.31 | RoyK | cashuser: probably somewhere under /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 12:20.28 | cashuser | RoyK: I ask on the public channel because I didn't find in the usual places. |
| 12:20.36 | cashuser | They are there in squeeze: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ia64/gnucash/filelist |
| 12:20.57 | cashuser | but not in jessie: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ia64/gnucash/filelist |
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| 12:21.03 | cashuser | not even in the gnucash-doc package |
| 12:21.25 | boxrick1 | I am having all sorts of funny routing problems with extra IPs and a Hetzner server. Would someone be able to look over my config ? |
| 12:21.35 | anddam | can someone check what MANPATH is on a default debian session? |
| 12:21.45 | asarch | cashuser: apt-file -x search gnucash | grep example |
| 12:21.51 | anddam | I cannot access any man pages and my MANPATH is odd |
| 12:22.06 | anddam | oh it's a GNUSTEP manpath, pointing /usr/Local and /usr/System/Local |
| 12:22.16 | anddam | and that's masking debian's manpages |
| 12:23.26 | dfock | Hi, need some help: I've had a box live on the internet providing key services since Woody. It's been though every upgrade to Jessie. ~13 years is impressive, but the good time have ended. After a crash I've had to reboot and it won't come back up. Systemd failed to mount temps at /sys/fs/cgroup/ 'no such file or directory'. I can get to singe user mode, but I can't stop systemd from trying to mount tempfs... Any tips? |
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| 12:25.21 | cashuser | asarch: thank you, but no luck. Seems they nuked those file. I will get them from github. Thank again. |
| 12:25.49 | asarch | Good luck! :-) |
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| 12:26.40 | asarch | gnucash-docs: /usr/share/doc/gnucash-docs/gnucash-guide-en/dep_example1.html |
| 12:26.42 | asarch | ? |
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| 12:28.01 | cashuser | https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/tree/master/doc/examples |
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| 12:30.36 | cashuser | i.e. /usr/share/doc/gnucash/examples/splitdemo.xac from https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ia64/gnucash/filelist |
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| 12:41.59 | dfock | Managed to fix my issue by changing kernel versions. |
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| 12:55.40 | [DS]Matej | Package 'libgnutls-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 12:55.48 | [DS]Matej | Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 13:00.12 | g00se | ,v libgnutls-dev |
| 13:00.13 | judd | Package: libgnutls-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.8.6-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 2.8.6-1+squeeze5; wheezy: 2.12.20-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.12.20-8+deb7u3 |
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| 13:03.02 | g00se | ,v libgnutls28-dev |
| 13:03.03 | judd | Package: libgnutls28-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.3.8-6~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 3.3.8-6+deb8u2; jessie: 3.3.8-6+deb8u3; stretch: 3.3.17-1; sid: 3.3.17-1; experimental: 3.4.4.1-1 |
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| 13:08.47 | alecs___- | how do I install unsigned packages with apt? |
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| 13:25.38 | cayolblake | Does dpkg have something like "install DB only"... This comes handy if I want to manually distribute the content of a package without installing from .deb file |
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| 13:31.18 | jelly | cayolblake: what would that do? |
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| 13:34.16 | cayolblake | jelly, I have some package that fails with "corrupted filesystem tarfile" however I can successfully uncompress/unarchive the deb file, so I placed all files needed for installation and I can even use the binaries inside normally however I need to inform dpkg (mainly its installation DB) that it already got the file installed! |
| 13:34.28 | cayolblake | jelly, that's usually trivially easy in redhat |
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| 13:37.45 | jelly | cayolblake: you can repack it and install the repackaged one. dpkg -x /path/to/foo.deb somedir; dpkg -e /path/to/foo.deb somedir/DEBIAN; dpkg -b somedir . |
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| 13:43.08 | amicuscuriae | When I open Settings - for entering Sound Settings -- sometimes like 1 out of 4 .. it would freeze for like 1-3 secs before clicking on Sound /opening it |
| 13:43.11 | amicuscuriae | what could be the problem? |
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| 13:43.29 | amicuscuriae | My system is i5-4130 Laptop with Intel HD graphics 4400 also I use Full Disk Encryption |
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| 13:44.23 | holms | hi guys:) is there's any alternative for "yum whatprovides" in debian? |
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| 13:45.05 | Zarthus | holms: what exactly does that do? |
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| 13:45.26 | lordbungabunga | is there a way to unset apt config values for a certain run of eg aptitude? in particular i am trying to prevent needrestart from running in automated scripts |
| 13:45.33 | Zarthus | i think it might be apt-cache policy |
| 13:45.36 | holms | Zarthus: it's searching for certain file in package repository |
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| 13:45.51 | Zarthus | holms: apt-cache search [package] |
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| 13:45.57 | holms | for example if you need to find who provides tool called 'less'.. it does it |
| 13:46.06 | holms | Zarthus: this command searching for package name only? |
| 13:46.15 | Zarthus | i think it searches package name and description |
| 13:46.23 | holms | well that's not what i need :) |
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| 13:46.57 | holms | maybe this one.. dpkg -S less |
| 13:47.01 | Zarthus | how about apt-cache policy? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7ca48e99c6d398c80c1c |
| 13:47.33 | Zarthus | it's kind of hard without knowing what whatprovides does :) |
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| 13:47.42 | jordanm | !tell holms about apt-file |
| 13:47.52 | chozha | everything needs some work around ? do i need to spend my life in learning about linux |
| 13:47.58 | holms | finally |
| 13:48.00 | holms | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4471327/ubuntu-equivalent-of-yums-whatprovides |
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| 13:48.13 | holms | chozha: it's the only way :D |
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| 13:48.30 | holms | jordanm: thanks |
| 13:48.36 | oshogun | chozha: yes, it is a path of constant seeking for illumination |
| 13:48.43 | holms | Zarthus: you see.. it's apt-file |
| 13:49.08 | holms | ok.. apt-file command not found |
| 13:49.09 | chozha | exhausted , not a happy holiday |
| 13:49.12 | holms | what's now :D i'm on docker container |
| 13:49.15 | Zarthus | install it |
| 13:49.23 | somiaj | holms: install it, apt-file is not a default package that is installed |
| 13:49.37 | holms | so what's the package cause apt-cache can't find it |
| 13:49.49 | chozha | holms: good with vagrant ? |
| 13:50.09 | somiaj | apt-file looks though file names, apt-cache only looks though package names and package descriptions (Both short and long) |
| 13:50.10 | holms | chozha: dropped it half year ago. |
| 13:50.22 | holms | somiaj: i need to install apt-file |
| 13:50.24 | somiaj | you can also use packages.debian.org to look for packages that contain a paticular file. |
| 13:50.29 | holms | to find how to install less |
| 13:50.29 | holms | :D |
| 13:50.32 | chozha | ohh ?? how about journey with docker |
| 13:50.49 | holms | chozha: quite happy about docker currently |
| 13:50.52 | somiaj | holms: if you can't see a package named 'less' then there is something wrong with your sources |
| 13:50.57 | chozha | hmmm |
| 13:51.18 | holms | somiaj: docker container doesn't have it by default |
| 13:51.40 | chozha | holms: is docker is replacement for vm ?? or ! could explain abot it |
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| 13:51.49 | chozha | you* |
| 13:51.52 | somiaj | holms: so if 'apt-cache policy less' or 'apt-get install less' does not work then something is wrong with your souces.list |
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| 13:52.20 | somiaj | holms: I do not know what sources.list docker sets up for you, but in many minimial installs less is an optional package that may not be installed. |
| 13:52.20 | holms | ok solved thanks. |
| 13:52.26 | holms | source.list was wrong |
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| 13:55.30 | chozha | so without os we are running an software on the top of virtualized layer ? |
| 13:56.18 | holms | chozha: i'd really recommend you this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5POuMHxW-0 after that google for "how to docker-compose" |
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| 13:56.33 | chozha | thanks holms |
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| 13:56.43 | holms | this is eye opened |
| 13:56.45 | holms | opener* |
| 13:56.55 | chozha | nice |
| 13:57.45 | matt_keys | Hi all, I think I've found a bug. I have two usb gps receivers attached to a debian 8 amd64 machine. gpsd no problem starting up until I edited /etc/sysctl.conf and added ipv6 disables. after reboot systemd complains about missing dependancies when it tries to start gpsd |
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| 13:58.25 | Dagger | matt_keys: ...don't disable v6, then? |
| 13:58.36 | matt_keys | not the point :) |
| 14:00.11 | matt_keys | thinking it may be similar to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90103 |
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| 14:00.44 | somiaj | matt_keys: you may have to look at the gpsd.service file and see why it depends on ipv6 (or maybe it depends on something else that depends on ipv6) |
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| 14:02.01 | Dagger | matt_keys: it seems relevant. there's no good reason to be disabling v6 these days anyway |
| 14:02.29 | matt_keys | again not the point, systemd should handle either way |
| 14:04.16 | somiaj | if gpsd.service file depends directaly or indirectly on ipv6, it won't start if you disable that service |
| 14:04.40 | somiaj | so the issue sounds less to be systemd as it is doing what it is supose to (not running services with disabled dependencies). But you'll have to track down why that dependency exists. |
| 14:05.18 | matt_keys | trying.. debug output isn't showing much but i'm digging into hte service scripts now |
| 14:06.11 | matt_keys | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.27 | themill | gpsd.socket does |
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| 14:06.50 | matt_keys | good call |
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| 14:07.40 | matt_keys | removed and retested, still no go |
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| 14:20.49 | matt_keys | themill : I take that back, it may have fixed it |
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| 14:21.53 | matt_keys | so bouncing the service didn't work and after rebooting gpsd still wasn't running, but then i started the service manually after reboot and it was able to bind that time |
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| 14:25.04 | matt_keys | ntpq -pn isn't showing the shm references now |
| 14:25.42 | matt_keys | cgps shows sentences just fine though |
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| 14:28.45 | calisto | hi all, I use debian testing and from 2 weks when run aptitude dist-upgrade tellme: Neeed to eliminate blender, calligra, and another packages I need to work, any upgrade resently debian-testing? I supoce If I response yes to eliminate all this packages my debian crash... |
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| 14:32.12 | somiaj | calisto: testing is undergion the gcc5 transition. Due to this dependencies are broken for many packages and thus will be removed during upgrades. You can try to manually track it down to see which package hasn't been transitioned, but testing has been extra broken lately. |
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| 14:32.31 | doublehp | !tell me about apt |
| 14:33.02 | somiaj | doublehp: /msg dpkg apt (best to just talk to the bot in private and not spam commands in the channel) |
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| 14:34.30 | calisto | somiaj: Ok I wait some weaks to see if all packages are ported to gcc5 thanks... |
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| 14:35.41 | A|an | I've just upgraded to Jessie...don't like the desktop...is gnome the default (in other words: this is gnome?!)?? |
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| 14:36.02 | somiaj | calisto: there are some ways you can watch the transition. You can try to see what package(s) are causing the issue, or just wait. but testing/unstable has been living up to its name latey. (: |
| 14:36.09 | dvs | A|an: yes, gnome is the default |
| 14:36.26 | shiin | I recently got a nvidia 900 series graphics card because my old one broke. I didn't consider that the current 340 driver wouldn't support it. I've been googling and tinkering a bit, but I'm not sure whats the next most likely thing to happen: will jessie ever support nvidia-drivers 352 or will the nouveau driver become able to handle it? |
| 14:36.34 | somiaj | A|an: if you just tell debian to install a desktop and make no choice you will get gnome. But it is easy enough to install any desktop you like. |
| 14:36.36 | A|an | Can one fall back to the "classic" gnome? |
| 14:37.01 | dvs | A|an: The closest thing there is now is Mate |
| 14:37.08 | somiaj | shiin: yes, but it could be a while, I think the gcc5 transition is going to keep the newer nvidia drivers from getting into sid -> stretch so a backport can be made |
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| 14:37.26 | somiaj | A|an: no, gnome classic (of fallback mode) was removed in recent version of gnome like the one on jessie |
| 14:37.32 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:37.33 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.76-5~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 340.93-1; sid/non-free: 340.93-1; experimental/non-free: 352.30-1 |
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| 14:38.14 | somiaj | shiin: one thing I have done in the past is backport the drivers. You could try to backport the drivers from experimental and this may work. Since you have such a new card it might be your only option (over just using the nvidia.com installer which could cause future problems) |
| 14:38.16 | A|an | well, i've got my work cut out for me |
| 14:38.19 | somiaj | !tell shiin about ssb |
| 14:38.34 | A|an | definitely different |
| 14:38.53 | somiaj | A|an: if you like gnome2, mate is something that is basically gnome2 you can use in jessie. If you like gnome-shell but not the newer gnome, the cinimon desktop is also in jessie and installable. |
| 14:39.03 | northstar | A|an, yeh, i use mate, and it's pretty similar to gnome 2. just install mate-core. |
| 14:39.08 | A|an | i'll take a look |
| 14:39.15 | somiaj | A|an: note debian also provides other desktops/window managers. You just have to install/configure what you want. |
| 14:39.59 | A|an | somiaj: yes, i know...i just want to get the show on the road...this took forever |
| 14:40.05 | shiin | I did try to install the 352.30-1 from -t experimental, but it complained about libvdpau not being available in the proper version. |
| 14:41.22 | calisto | somiaj: I wait to translate to gcc5, are 151 packages to eliminate, including gimp, kde-plasma, gnome-photos, blender, yafarray, calligra-flow... I use this packages.... |
| 14:41.25 | shiin | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 14:41.45 | somiaj | shiin: no do not install experimential packages in stable, that is really bad bad juju |
| 14:42.19 | somiaj | shiin: you should never install packages not made for jessie in stable. (so this applies for testing/unstable packages too). What you can do is compile your own backport if one is not made for you. That ssb instructions may work and get you on your way. |
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| 14:42.46 | shiin | Well I didn't get that far anyway. They do however mention on the debian wiki that 352 is safe to install on jessie, from experimental. |
| 14:43.00 | somiaj | calisto: yea the larger desktops will take the longest for the transition to complete. I personally suggest jessie + backports for most people. Testing should be run by people willing to test these changes/transition and file good bugreports |
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| 14:43.08 | joker_89 | hi |
| 14:43.18 | joker_89 | i want to perform differential and incremental backups |
| 14:43.21 | joker_89 | what can i use? |
| 14:43.32 | somiaj | shiin: I didn't look at the actual depends. That is sometimes the case but I don't like to assume it is and suggest the backport. |
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| 14:43.49 | somiaj | shiin: you could look though each and every depends yourself and then download the .debs you need, but don't put it in your sources.list |
| 14:44.58 | somiaj | joker_89: various tools, many just use rsync with some sort of versioning system. One such tool I know of is rdiff-backup (though it can be a bit slow as it does have to create diffs each time files are changed) |
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| 14:45.53 | calisto | somiaj: Thanks to sugestion to use stable+backports but I like see te evolution of the packages I follow some packages as LXC, iptables, LibreOffice and anothers to see when solved any issue... thanks for all |
| 14:46.11 | somiaj | joker_89: https://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery here is a list of some other tools. The tool that is best for you depends on your situation. |
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| 14:49.19 | joker_89 | [somiaj] but rdiff only do incremental backups |
| 14:49.22 | joker_89 | not differential ones |
| 14:51.01 | somiaj | joker_89: what do you mean by differential backup then? To me that is what rdiff-backup does, it stores all the changes made since the last backup in diff files. |
| 14:51.28 | joker_89 | i thought that rediff does incemental backups |
| 14:51.51 | joker_89 | is not the same as differential |
| 14:52.17 | somiaj | joker_89: correct, incrementail backups is like rsync, you can do a full backup, but you have to do a full backup everytime if you want to track changes over time |
| 14:52.55 | somiaj | joker_89: but rdiff-backup does differntial backups. each time you run the backup it creates diff files to tell how files have changed since the lastbackup (it doesn't just overwrite the files with the new one like rsync would) |
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| 14:53.04 | A|an | About this new Jessie upgrade, I do have something weird going on: the "home folder" icon doesn't function properly. Clicking it brings up a malfunctioning instance of VLC...or the icon for "home folder" rapidly blinks when the cursor is placed on it. Anybody have any insight? |
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| 14:53.33 | joker_89 | i am going to read more info about rediff |
| 14:53.37 | joker_89 | and rsync |
| 14:53.41 | joker_89 | rdiff* |
| 14:54.28 | somiaj | joker_89: rsync is nice, but it won't do differential backups. It is nice in it will only copy the files that have changed since the last backup, but it won't store the changes. rdiff-backup will only copy the files that have changed and record the changes in diff files (not this make it much slower to backup and recover since you have to make diff's of all the changes) |
| 14:54.42 | somiaj | joker_89: I would suggest looking though that wiki page I linked and finding the software that suits your needs best. |
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| 14:57.15 | erxeto | joker_89: maybe --link-dest on rsync is closer to what you look. It's very useful. |
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| 14:58.36 | g00se | joker_89: have a look at bup maybe |
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| 14:59.28 | CQ | hello, how can I figure uot which drive is which? I have several drives, smart tools report the serial numbers and models, and lvm from the other side reports the UUIDs... any suggestions?? |
| 15:00.19 | somiaj | CQ: are you trying to link a paticular UUID to a paticular device, or are all your devies very similar? |
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| 15:00.51 | CQ | somiaj: they are all 1gb, 2 samsung, 1 hitachi, 1 wd ... |
| 15:01.23 | somiaj | CQ: does blkid have the output you want? |
| 15:01.30 | CQ | can the smart tools spit out the UUID? |
| 15:01.32 | CQ | sec. |
| 15:03.08 | CQ | somiaj: it spits out the /dev/sdxx and teh UUID. I either need the UUID from the smart tools, or the serial number from the blkid... |
| 15:03.40 | somiaj | CQ: so you need to link the serial number to the /dev/sdX part? dmesg should have that info |
| 15:03.47 | somiaj | not sure of a tool that would give that info directly |
| 15:04.36 | somiaj | thre is also lsblk but it doesn't seem to link that info |
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| 15:06.01 | CQ | no, but it helps: some of the disks show RAID, and those are the two I'm looking for |
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| 15:07.06 | jelly | mission712[AFK]: avoid away nicks while in here, please. Use the /AWAY flag. |
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| 15:08.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell mission712[AFK] about away |
| 15:08.21 | CQ | somiaj: no luck with dmesg (or the old, rotated logs)... |
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| 15:11.13 | g00se | hdparm -I $device | grep 'Serial Number' |
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| 15:13.29 | CQ | g00se: thanks! |
| 15:13.33 | CQ | ...should have thought of that |
| 15:14.20 | asterismo_m | hi ppl |
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| 15:15.44 | CQ | sudo hdparm -I /dev/sd? | egrep "(/dev/|Model Number|Serial Number)" |
| 15:17.23 | CQ | ...or even better: sudo hdparm -I /dev/disk/by-uuid/* | egrep "(/dev/|Model Number|Serial Number)" |
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| 15:19.19 | A|an | How do you change terminal color, black background, white fonts? |
| 15:19.20 | jelly | CQ: and then there's /dev/disk/by-id/ which already has models and serial numbers |
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| 15:20.02 | CQ | jelly: well, that's way too easy ;) ...thanks! |
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| 15:27.38 | joker_89 | hi again |
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| 15:27.57 | CQ | jelly: ...but strangely enough, the UUIDs from mdsdm scan don't appear in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 15:35.46 | jelly | CQ: UUID is a property of a filesystem. md's internal uuids do not count |
| 15:36.05 | CQ | jelly: ah, different uuids... ok |
| 15:36.37 | joker_89 | which is the best option for rotation backups on a debian server? |
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| 15:43.23 | socomm | Rotation backups? |
| 15:43.31 | CQ | Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 4 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors ; Device: /dev/sdc [SAT], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors ... I'm getting this off one drive... is this a problem? The data is already off it... can I still use that drive? |
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| 15:44.20 | CQ | ...or is there a way to map that sector as bad and keep the drive for non.critical stuff? |
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| 15:45.32 | jelly | CQ: badblocks |
| 15:46.06 | socomm | joker_89: http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=bacula_manual:weekly_tape_rotation |
| 15:46.38 | CQ | https://paste.debian.net/312562/ ...heres the smarttools output |
| 15:46.41 | CQ | fromteh short self test |
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| 15:49.22 | CQ | jelly: running it now... |
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| 15:51.19 | joker_89 | [socomm] is bacula a good option? |
| 15:51.34 | joker_89 | everybody says the typical ones like rsync, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup |
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| 15:51.52 | CQ | joker_89: I find it too complex, have a look at http://www.urbackup.org/ |
| 15:52.03 | jelly | CQ: read on how to use it in conjunction with e2fsck before running it with wrong block size or on wrong device for nothing |
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| 15:52.57 | CQ | jelly: all I read is that it wants the -o <output_file> for e2fsck or mke2fs |
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| 15:56.53 | joker_89 | i am looking at urlbackup |
| 15:56.57 | socomm | joker_89: Is this for home use or busiess? |
| 15:57.18 | joker_89 | business |
| 15:57.21 | joker_89 | small business |
| 15:57.29 | joker_89 | only for the server data |
| 15:57.58 | socomm | I'd look at something thats easy to maintain, I'm not sure rsync/rsnapshot/rdiff-backup are the best options for this. |
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| 15:58.48 | bazhang | ,v grsync |
| 15:58.49 | judd | Package: grsync on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1.1-1; wheezy: 1.2.0-1; stretch: 1.2.5-1; jessie: 1.2.5-1; sid: 1.2.5-1 |
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| 15:59.19 | joker_89 | I thinkt that rsync and similars are not a good option for business backup |
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| 16:01.18 | CQ | joker_89: what do you really need? do you want full mirroring (rsync), do you want some way to go back to older stuff (rdiff), or do you want a polished interface (then bacula, amanda, urbackup, etc.) |
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| 16:02.53 | joker_89 | i want to make backups on rotation like grandfather-father-son |
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| 16:09.19 | CQ | I'm setting upa freenas server right now and plan to use urbackup for that. |
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| 16:14.51 | CQ | I have stuff coming from VMs to a central location with backupninja (rsync scripts) and then am backing that up |
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| 16:16.13 | g00se | bup uses git with binary diff |
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| 16:17.54 | joker_89 | i have read that bacula is complex to configure (many hours) |
| 16:17.55 | joker_89 | why? |
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| 16:19.09 | CQ | http://www.baculasystems.com/bacula-administrator-ii-training-course ...because it can work in huge installations, so its complex |
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| 16:19.38 | joker_89 | but for a simple installation it will be easey? |
| 16:19.40 | joker_89 | easy |
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| 16:20.16 | CQ | try it and find out. I've given up on it once or twice and gone for simpler stuff. |
| 16:20.28 | g00se | apt-cache show bup |
| 16:21.14 | joker_89 | does urbackup use incremental, differential and full backups? |
| 16:21.16 | g00se | Backups are inherently complex KISS |
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| 16:21.56 | joker_89 | what? |
| 16:22.24 | A|an | I've just upgraded to jessie and evidently the file manager is corrupted; it doesn't work...is there a way to recover from this short of doing a complete resinstallation? |
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| 16:23.20 | A|an | For instance, when I click on "home", it starts up VLC. |
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| 16:23.40 | A|an | I've uninstalled and reinstalled VLC to no positive effect |
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| 16:25.21 | mtn | A|an, try making a new user and see how it works as that user. it may just be your configs |
| 16:25.30 | A|an | okay |
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| 16:47.57 | A|an | Well, it's dawned on me that the Applications and Places icons are associated with the fall-back Gnome Classic I was previously using...the new user desktop only has an Activities icon on the menu bar, with a column of app icons at the left...so I have a configuration problem from hell! |
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| 16:49.12 | A|an | I guess (in hindsight) I should've removed the Classic Gnome desktop env. before I upgraded to jessie. |
| 16:49.16 | A|an | great! |
| 16:49.20 | mtn | A|an, just need to learn the new desktop or switch to gnome classic in the login menu |
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| 16:49.50 | A|an | I don't think gnome classic is available with jessie |
| 16:50.02 | mtn | A|an, or there is a conflict. if you remove all the settings folders, you would get a new desktop on login |
| 16:50.13 | A|an | <somiaj> A|an: no, gnome classic (of fallback mode) was removed in recent version of gnome like the one on jessie |
| 16:50.17 | mtn | A|an, does it work ok for a new user? |
| 16:50.27 | A|an | yes... |
| 16:50.44 | mtn | A|an, so it is just the configs on your home folder |
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| 16:51.16 | A|an | yeah...which will be difficult to straighten out (without spending forever doing it) |
| 16:51.35 | A|an | i'll have to mull this over a bit |
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| 16:52.48 | notanoldman | When will wheezy no longer get security updates, etc? |
| 16:52.50 | notanoldman | thanks |
| 16:53.05 | A|an | I wonder if I can migrate my current main user account into a new one, then remove the original and rename the new one? (no lauighing) |
| 16:53.25 | jelly | notanoldman: may 2016, but LTS project will probably take over at that point |
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| 16:57.28 | anony | I don't know how to translate it in English* so I wasn't able to duckduckgo it... - How can I enable the console-loading-booting sequence? So that I'm able to see the [OK] Checks? |
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| 16:59.05 | jelly | anony: look at /etc/default/grub file, if there's a word "quiet" in lines starting with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, remove it and run update-grub |
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| 17:01.58 | Moarderp | I've installed Debian Jessie and I am trying to find a way around. I want to install Firefox (I know, it's the same as Iceweasel) but it's not in the package. How do I find out what's in the package and how do I install FF? |
| 17:02.13 | Zarthus | Moarderp: you need to add the ff ppas |
| 17:02.33 | Zarthus | https://support.mozilla.org/si/kb/Linux%20%E0%B6%B8%E0%B6%AD%20%E0%B7%86%E0%B6%BA%E0%B6%BB%E0%B7%8A%E0%B7%86%E0%B7%9C%E0%B6%9A%E0%B7%8A%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8A%20%E0%B7%83%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AE%E0%B7%8F%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%B1%E0%B6%BA |
| 17:02.50 | anony | jelly, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" - I delete this? |
| 17:03.04 | Moarderp | Zarthus: How do I find out whats in the package |
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| 17:03.27 | AvatarA | Moarderp, firefox can be downloaded from the official website |
| 17:03.29 | jelly | anony: no, just remove the word quiet |
| 17:03.40 | AvatarA | but you will have no support for some multimedia codecs |
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| 17:03.53 | AvatarA | e.g. you won't be able to see 720p videos on youtube |
| 17:04.20 | jelly | anony: and if you have a GUI progress bar at bootup (that "splash" thing) that you'd like to get rid of, you can remove that as well |
| 17:05.06 | anony | jelly, I want to see the CMD lines - So I'll only leave "splash" thanks for the info! :) |
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| 17:11.55 | notanoldman | ty jelly |
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| 17:29.11 | SHOTbyGUN | how close is stretch to sid ? |
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| 17:30.53 | somiaj | SHOTbyGUN: they are usually fairly close. Right now the gcc5 transition is making migration of packages difficult along with satsifying dependcies difficult in both |
| 17:31.03 | somiaj | SHOTbyGUN: why do you want to know how close they are? What are you looking to achive. |
| 17:31.44 | SHOTbyGUN | debian development is highly classified, I cannot find any roadmap what is happening |
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| 17:32.17 | SHOTbyGUN | I just heard of gcc5 transition from IRC from another channel, and I had no idea it was happening even tho I use stretch myself :D |
| 17:32.51 | epsilon | check PDO for packages |
| 17:32.51 | asklepian | where can I find instructions on setting up my own gui manually instead having the installer do it for me? |
| 17:34.02 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, repository with packages from unstable, if no bugs are found within 10 days |
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| 17:34.15 | AvatarA | debian development isn't classified :] |
| 17:34.19 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 17:34.31 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, it's not classified. you just have to know where to look :P |
| 17:35.22 | SHOTbyGUN | markybob: ehh, yeah, but debian.org website is not really helpful, neither is google |
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| 17:35.38 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, the gcc5 warning was in mailing lists *and* in IRC /topic. you're in IRC...so read the topic of #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 17:36.54 | somiaj | markybob: and all dependencies are satsified in testing (this sometimes keeps packages out for much longer than 10 days) |
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| 17:37.11 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, ^ |
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| 17:43.37 | SHOTbyGUN | sooo, is the gcc5 the only thing coming to stretch ? ...or is there other changes? where can I read about these kind of stuff ? |
| 17:44.13 | CQ | SHOTbyGUN: debian-news mailing list |
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| 17:45.57 | CQ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ |
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| 17:46.38 | SHOTbyGUN | ah there seems to be good information thanks CQ |
| 17:46.48 | CQ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-news/2015/msg00013.html GCC5 transition for example...and the Perl 5.22 transition |
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| 17:46.56 | somiaj | SHOTbyGUN: lots is over the mailing list. There is a page that list major goals. But the mailing lists is where most the stuff is. I think the perl transition will be the next big one after gcc5 is done. |
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| 17:47.43 | somiaj | SHOTbyGUN: and desktop transitions are happening in this. gcc5 is considered the bigest transition to date. |
| 17:47.53 | SHOTbyGUN | mailinglist is technology from 1970 :p I wonder if it ever gets transition |
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| 17:49.08 | CQ | SHOTbyGUN: Unix is from 1970, wonder if it ever gets a transition ... |
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| 17:49.45 | CQ | and btw, rss feeds, twitter etc. do exist as alternatives |
| 17:49.47 | markybob | SHOTbyGUN, what would you suggest? |
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| 17:50.22 | CQ | markybob: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 17:51.04 | CQ | that's from 1990 at least :) |
| 17:51.07 | markybob | CQ, i'm not the one saying mailing lists are bad. i just wanted to know what he wanted since he said it's outdated |
| 17:51.09 | SHOTbyGUN | markybob: something more asthetic like: http://news.softpedia.com/cat/Linux/ |
| 17:51.21 | FFDR | H! guys |
| 17:51.39 | markybob | oh god |
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| 17:54.57 | Kx3 | Does anyone have a reference on what is included in the 80 or so non essential install CDs? |
| 17:55.15 | Kx3 | All I've found is "Theres a lot" |
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| 17:55.38 | somiaj | Kx3: every debian package on the full set, and I thoguht there were lists on the locations you can download them giving contents of each cd |
| 17:55.52 | markybob | Kx3, https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
| 17:56.02 | Kx3 | Thanks, missed that somehow |
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| 17:56.22 | cir0x | Hey! I´m trying to compile w (https://github.com/simonask/w) on my Pi a+ with raspbian, but I'm facing this error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0HHFYX5K I´ve installed libpq-dev and libpq5. Any Ideas? |
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| 17:56.57 | bzed | !raspbian |
| 17:56.58 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:57.31 | dontknow | is kfreebsd actually bsd? |
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| 17:57.49 | markybob | dontknow, yes. |
| 17:58.30 | cir0x | bzed: Is there any difference depending packages? |
| 17:59.49 | somiaj | dontknow: the kernel is, but most the userland is gnu |
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| 18:00.17 | dontknow | somiaj, is it like half bsd? |
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| 18:01.55 | somiaj | dontknow: I'm unsure at the details if you would consider some of the core commands bsd or gnu. kfreebsd is just saying it uses a freebsd kernel but is still debian. There will be differences at some level beteen bsd. |
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| 18:05.07 | davicr | How do I uninstall GRUB? |
| 18:05.17 | davicr | Deleting the package will do the rest too? |
| 18:06.19 | teraflops | davicr: from the mbr? |
| 18:06.35 | davicr | UEFI |
| 18:06.40 | teraflops | ok |
| 18:06.41 | Naughx | so gpt |
| 18:06.41 | Kx3 | Is the Debian testing CD literally just the stable with the /etc/apt/sources.list modified? Or am I missing something |
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| 18:08.06 | somiaj | !testing installer |
| 18:08.06 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:08.42 | somiaj | Kx3: no it is a testing installer, might not be many changes now but as the freeze approaches the installer starts to undergo revision and needs to be tested. |
| 18:08.58 | davicr | so, gpt. |
| 18:09.09 | davicr | just uninstall the package and it'll be removed from /boot/efi too? |
| 18:09.19 | Kx3 | Gotcha. |
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| 18:13.15 | Naughx | I find UEFI intrusive so I usually switch it back to legacy. |
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| 18:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | davicr, you need to make whatever other boot method you want to use to install a new MBR or boot sector or whatever. Also, making a backup of the sectors grub overwrites is your task if you wanted to preserve it (because mostly you repartition and install grub and there's nothing worth preserving, I guess) |
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| 18:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | davicr, I think you would get much better answers if you would describe the <real problem> you're trying to solve, not ask something along the way of what you think is the solution |
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| 18:25.44 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 18:26.08 | rysiek|pl | how/where can I check which files are being modified by dpkg-reconfigure <package-name>? |
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| 18:30.40 | sweetlove31 | hi |
| 18:31.35 | somiaj | rysiek|pl: debconf would be where to look, unsure how to use it directly though. |
| 18:31.46 | rysiek|pl | right |
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| 18:34.23 | sweetlove31 | hi |
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| 18:34.46 | sweetlove31 | anybody from Turkey? |
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| 18:35.31 | centrx | sweetlove31, I'm from Brussels Sprout |
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| 18:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tr |
| 18:35.51 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably in there |
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| 18:36.19 | toogley | hello. im using actually debian jessie and would like to install ffmpeg. what would be the recommend way to handle that situation, ffmpeg is only in stretch and wheezy but not in jessie available? |
| 18:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | either my client is messed up for the umlauts, the factoid, or both :-/ |
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| 18:37.31 | centrx | toogley, You can try a source-backport, or download the binaries from the ffmpeg website |
| 18:37.34 | centrx | dpkg, tell toogley about ssb |
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| 18:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 18:38.53 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; stretch: 7:2.7.2-2+b1; sid: 7:2.7.2-2+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8-dmo2 |
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| 18:40.13 | toogley | centrx: thanks, for the hint. but is mixing versions not considered bad practice? |
| 18:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd,checkbackport ffmpeg |
| 18:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, checkbackport ffmpeg |
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| 18:40.39 | judd | Backporting package ffmpeg in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual, jessie-backports. |
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| 18:41.44 | AvatarA | ok now tell me how do I get gnome 3.16 in jessie :] |
| 18:42.23 | somiaj | toogley: any reason it has to be ffmpeg? Probabaly best way is to compile it from source as either a .deb package or install in /usr/local. Have you checked out libav and see if it will fit your needs? |
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| 18:43.14 | toogley | somiaj: well, i want to convert a album from alac to flac, and i found a tip refering to ffmpeg |
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| 18:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, libav |
| 18:43.25 | dpkg | Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in Debian as of the 7.x "Wheezy" release. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:43.27 | AvatarA | I think you can do it with libav also |
| 18:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libav |
| 18:43.30 | toogley | hm :/ |
| 18:43.31 | judd | No package named 'libav' was found in amd64. |
| 18:43.45 | toogley | oh |
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| 18:43.47 | toogley | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 18:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it's libav-tools |
| 18:46.39 | toogley | judd, libav-tools |
| 18:47.02 | toogley | meh. he don't likes me^^ |
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| 18:47.13 | toogley | judd, versions libav-tools |
| 18:47.14 | judd | Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:11.4-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.4-1~deb8u1; sid: 7:2.7.2-2; stretch: 7:2.7.2-2; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1 |
| 18:47.16 | toogley | ah |
| 18:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, and if you're backporting stuff, you are not mixing distributions... you are compiling using the libraries of your distribution |
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| 18:48.45 | teclo- | judd: versions task-xfce-desktop |
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| 18:48.46 | judd | Package: task-xfce-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.14.1; jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.33; sid: 3.33 |
| 18:48.49 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: this is the only reason? |
| 18:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 18:49.29 | somiaj | toogley: libav will do what you need, though you may have to look up a different guide on how to use it to convert the file formats. |
| 18:49.35 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: i mean, potential mixing of libaries is the only reason for not using different versions? |
| 18:49.59 | toogley | (im not very familiar with debian) |
| 18:50.19 | toogley | somiaj: thanks |
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| 18:50.52 | northstar | i read that debian is going back to ffmpeg in the next debian stable. |
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| 18:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, basically... yes. most libraries are supposed to be backwards compatible, but in practice often are not. So if you install new libraries from testing and your old stable programs use them, you can get a lot of weird bugs that would affect a lot of programs |
| 18:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg ffmpeg |
| 18:51.13 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <libav>. |
| 18:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that factoid could need an update ... (if one knew why ffmpeg is currently not in stable and maybe a link to the story) |
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| 18:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | northstar, where'd you read i |
| 18:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it* |
| 18:57.39 | northstar | CutMeOwnThroat, i believe it was in one of the debian mailing list newsletters, and i meant when stretch becomes stable. looking for it now. |
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| 18:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, obviously when stretch becomes stable :) |
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| 18:59.09 | centrx | What is this, purple rubber octopus |
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| 18:59.18 | centrx | That should be the release name |
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| 19:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be stretching it a bit |
| 19:02.22 | northstar | it's in the debian newsletter dated 7/21/2015, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 19:03.04 | AvatarA | I went through some frustration while not being able to play mp4s on stretch |
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| 19:05.21 | Moarderp | Is it possible to install Steam on Debian and have the games work? AND Origin if possible? |
| 19:05.45 | northstar | also mentioned here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/07/msg00001.html |
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| 19:06.02 | northstar | Moarderp, steam on jessie works great for me. |
| 19:06.09 | FFDR | guys i have some problem with Debian KDE , can somebody help 2me ? |
| 19:06.21 | Moarderp | Hmm, thanks northstar. Will check it out. |
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| 19:06.32 | Moarderp | I want to move from Windows 7 to Debian on my main pc. |
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| 19:07.04 | northstar | Moarderp, be advised that not all steam games work on linux, but many do. |
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| 19:08.22 | atmosx_laptop | hello |
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| 19:08.34 | atmosx_laptop | Why des debian leave files behind when you uninstall something? |
| 19:08.58 | atmosx_laptop | and then if you re-install the same package, it does not install all the files again, it expects to find an init sitting there and so on? |
| 19:09.12 | atmosx_laptop | and is there any way around this?! |
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| 19:09.30 | t4b | installed Debian stable on hardware which isn't supported well, newer kernels would provide better support. can i replace all instances of jessie in sources.list with sid and get to unstable? probably yes? |
| 19:09.32 | somiaj | atmosx_laptop: it only does this for config files. If you just remove and don't purge packages it will keep config files around thinking you may still want them and not just delete them for you |
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| 19:09.39 | somiaj | atmosx_laptop: if you want to remove all config files, --purge the package. |
| 19:09.48 | atmosx_laptop | somiaj: not all |
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| 19:10.05 | Moarderp | northstar: I've downloaded the Steam app, how do I install from the archive? |
| 19:10.10 | somiaj | atmosx_laptop: on top of that if you manually delete a file, dpgk assumes you wanted it deleted, and won't bring it back. use confmiss to tell dpkg to install missing config files |
| 19:10.15 | somiaj | !tell atmosx_laptop bout confmiss |
| 19:10.18 | somiaj | !tell atmosx_laptop about confmiss |
| 19:10.24 | atmosx_laptop | somiaj: I used purge, after reading the docs. /etc/freeradius/radius.conf remained there. Along withthe init file. I removed it manually. re-installed the package and can't start the server becuase doesn't find this file |
| 19:10.41 | atmosx_laptop | thanks somiaj |
| 19:10.57 | northstar | Moarderp, the easiest way is to install gdebi, and sudo gdebi steam_latest.deb |
| 19:11.18 | somiaj | post/pre isntall remove scripts can create/remove files. If they are not removing files they are creating propertly this is a bug. |
| 19:11.36 | somiaj | northstar: why, just isntall steam from teh jessie non-free repo |
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| 19:12.20 | somiaj | t4b: yes but why not just use a backported kernel. no reason to run unstable to get a newer kernel. |
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| 19:12.44 | northstar | somiaj, oh! didn't even realize it was there. |
| 19:13.13 | somiaj | the newer cliet will be downloaded and isntalled when the user runs the binary in the package. |
| 19:13.22 | northstar | Moarderp, see above ^^^^ |
| 19:13.41 | Moarderp | non free repo? |
| 19:13.53 | Moarderp | It's asking me to install a binary? |
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| 19:14.57 | t4b | somiaj: So good I asked after all. There are backported kernels? :-O Are they in debian-backports repo, will they auto-upgrade if I enable that repo? |
| 19:16.15 | somiaj | t4b: jessie-backports. Currently you can get 4.1 I belive |
| 19:16.16 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 19:16.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-trunk-686-pae (4.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.1.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
| 19:16.36 | somiaj | t4b: note the isntaller still has the 3.16 kernel so if you need newer than that to install it requires a bit more work. |
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| 19:16.58 | t4b | somiaj: Oh, meant to write jessie-backports. Thanks! |
| 19:17.01 | somiaj | t4b: once you install the kernel meta package from jessie-backports it will pull in newer versions as they become available and you pgurade |
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| 19:17.51 | t4b | somiaj: Install already worked, just had to use usb-ethernet to get around missing non-free wifi driver |
| 19:18.27 | somiaj | t4b: note if you need newer video drivers for xorg, those are soemtimes provided, for instance you can get the newer intel xorg driver in backports too |
| 19:18.38 | toogley | are the process of adding new keys in debian in some way protected? i mean, downloaded packages e.g. deb-multimedia-keyring is unprotected, as the gpg key is unknown. i assume thats also true for the inital download of debian. and because of unsecured http is used, it could be rather easy to inject some malicious code. or do i missunderstand something here? |
| 19:18.47 | toogley | is hte process* |
| 19:18.52 | toogley | the* |
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| 19:21.05 | Naughx | Doesn't it just means it isn't encrypted over the network? (Debian will still verify the signature) |
| 19:21.28 | toogley | Naughx: how if it doesn't know the signature? |
| 19:21.42 | toogley | (or the gpg key) |
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| 19:22.17 | somiaj | toogley: are you talking about installing the initial few packages? or downloading the installer and someone putting in their modifications at that level? |
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| 19:22.48 | Herbalist | good evening fellows |
| 19:23.05 | somiaj | a fresh install should include the debian keyring. it is an important package after all |
| 19:23.10 | toogley | somiaj: im talking about downloading the gpg key package for that. so i assume its your first question |
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| 19:23.23 | Herbalist | I'm trying to connect to a debian server with ssh, and this is the error I'm receiving http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=msC5g08a |
| 19:23.38 | somiaj | toogley: the installer contains a fuly functional base system including the keyring on the install medium, it doesn't download it. |
| 19:23.47 | Herbalist | any idea what might be causing this issue |
| 19:24.02 | somiaj | Now if you are using a pxe (netboot) installer (far different thant he netinstall installer most use) you better trust the pxe server or netboot connenction. |
| 19:24.13 | toogley | somiaj: ah, okay. so does that mean, that at least the offical sources are protected? |
| 19:24.29 | somiaj | toogley: so provided you have the netinstall or cd1, or dvd1 (an offical installer) the keyring comes on the cd and isnt' downloaded during the install |
| 19:24.30 | toogley | somiaj: or rather, only^^ |
| 19:24.54 | AvatarA | Herbalist, do you have that ssh. subdomain for your xxx.com? |
| 19:24.58 | somiaj | toogley: the point of failure is ensureing the image you got for the installer hasn't been corrupted, and there are hashes you can check and various other methods. |
| 19:25.16 | Herbalist | yes |
| 19:25.25 | Herbalist | It's how I normally connect |
| 19:25.36 | Herbalist | it's a shell account |
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| 19:25.45 | AvatarA | well you need to check on that machine (using some other method) |
| 19:25.57 | markybob | Herbalist, can you ping it? |
| 19:25.59 | AvatarA | if ssh server is running, listening on the port and if firewall isn't blocking anything |
| 19:26.12 | somiaj | Herbalist: if the connenction is being refused it could be that ssh server is not running on the system (for some reason) |
| 19:26.13 | Herbalist | I contacted the admins to double check if my ip is banned, but there are'nt any ip bans on record |
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| 19:26.23 | AvatarA | connection refused means exactly that, the machine is refusing to allow you to connect on port 22 |
| 19:26.27 | somiaj | Herbalist: if you have denyhost or fail2ban those sometimes ban legit users. |
| 19:26.45 | Herbalist | I can ping it, and I managed to connect with this http://www.serfish.com/console/ |
| 19:27.08 | somiaj | Herbalist: that is a serial console, from that console double check the ssh server is running on the righty port |
| 19:27.11 | toogley | somiaj: but adding external keyrings, e.g. from deb-multimedia.org is still completly unprotected, right? |
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| 19:27.47 | Herbalist | this app doesn't send the ip of the client, so I'm pretty sure it's an ip related issue |
| 19:27.53 | somiaj | toogley: correct, you need to 'trust' the source you are getting the keyring from. |
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| 19:28.14 | somiaj | toogley: though provided you use https:// and download the keyring from a trusted source, then install it locally you could be fine |
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| 19:28.31 | somiaj | toogley: though we usually advise against debian-multimedia here, 'msg dpkg why not dmm' |
| 19:28.34 | toogley | somiaj: i mean rather the protection from mim attacks or something related |
| 19:29.15 | Herbalist | somiaj: I will ask the admins to double check fail2ban and denyhost, but 2 different admins checked and nothing turned up. Can something else block my ip on the server ? |
| 19:29.35 | Moarderp | somiaj: How do I install the non free repo? |
| 19:29.41 | somiaj | !tell Moarderp about non-free |
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| 19:30.02 | somiaj | !tell Moarderp about non-free sources |
| 19:30.14 | Moarderp | ^^ What's that do? |
| 19:30.53 | somiaj | Moarderp: the bot should have sent you a private message explaining what you need |
| 19:30.59 | somiaj | i.e. faster to tell a bot then retype the whole thing |
| 19:32.14 | Naughx | !tell Naughx about non-free |
| 19:32.23 | Naughx | (I was curious) |
| 19:32.41 | Moarderp | somiaj: From here? - https://packages.debian.org/jessie/steam |
| 19:33.10 | somiaj | Moarderp: no open up the message I had the bot send you, add contrib and non-free to your sources.list, then apt-get install steam |
| 19:33.18 | AvatarA | and btw Herbalist what site is that? |
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| 19:33.20 | somiaj | Moarderp: you could get it from there, but better to use apt |
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| 19:33.38 | AvatarA | seems kind of odd to connect to ssh by using some random script from some random site |
| 19:33.38 | Moarderp | Ahh thanks! Just found the PM. |
| 19:35.03 | northstar | but be sure to apt-get update first, after changing sources.list |
| 19:35.34 | Moarderp | Ok, just looking for the sources now. |
| 19:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, the debian keys aren't secret... you can compare with e.g. https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 19:35.48 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 19:36.32 | AvatarA | on an extreme note, you can't even trust that |
| 19:36.41 | AvatarA | what if somebody hacked the site and replaced the keys? |
| 19:36.58 | Naughx | Well in that case you better not connect over the internet |
| 19:36.58 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: well. i fear regardless of that, that something i do is comprimised |
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| 19:37.11 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: but thanks anyways for that hint^^ |
| 19:37.30 | Fjorgynn | this is interesting |
| 19:37.32 | AvatarA | but if you google that key, and see it posted in multiple sites as being the X key for Y project, you can get some peace of mind |
| 19:37.37 | Naughx | As long you connect over, there is always a risk. |
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| 19:38.20 | Naughx | Everything that is human-designed isn't failsafe. |
| 19:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, I don't think that for >99% of the users there's much of a threat of someone trying to introduce a fake key.... if you are worried, check it against any amount of public versions of it... |
| 19:39.45 | Moarderp | Ok. I have no idea what to input into the sources.... |
| 19:40.04 | northstar | or simply connect once in your regular browser and again over a vpn or tor, and see if they match. |
| 19:40.18 | toogley | Moarderp: read the wiki about it |
| 19:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, but then we all know that the gcc used to compile debian could be compromised and produce binaries with backdoors and also inherit the flaw into any other gcc versions compiled with it |
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| 19:41.35 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: that was done recently in a app developers system |
| 19:42.32 | Naughx | @Moarderp: add "contrib" and "non-free" after "main" |
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| 19:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | toogley, also, much simpler: if you use dmm, what do you know what evil plans that Marillat guy hatches :) |
| 19:42.58 | northstar | Moarderp, just change "main" to "main non-free contrib" |
| 19:43.35 | Naughx | @Moarderp: http://pastie.org/private/bvkl7jkiyf7b93bq14xeuq |
| 19:43.38 | Naughx | like this |
| 19:44.14 | Naughx | well maybe not deb-src |
| 19:44.40 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: well that is my least problem^^ |
| 19:44.48 | toogley | CutMeOwnThroat: but i don't use it anymoore |
| 19:45.53 | paperd | what do "bpo" mean in the package name? |
| 19:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | paperd, backports |
| 19:46.21 | paperd | oh, thats it? |
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| 19:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 19:49.27 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.2.1esr-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 40.0.3-3~bpo80+1; experimental: 40.0.3-3 |
| 19:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | paperd, ^^^ seems it's also versioned now.. bpo-60 for squeeze, bpo80 for jessie |
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| 19:51.04 | Naughx | @Moarderp: Also steam is only available as a i386 package. |
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| 19:51.23 | Naughx | it seems. |
| 19:51.29 | northstar | ^true |
| 19:51.31 | paperd | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks |
| 19:52.17 | Naughx | so you will have to do "dpkg --add-repository i386" if you are using a amd64 installation |
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| 19:52.48 | Naughx | (Well I'm on a live cd) |
| 19:53.06 | Naughx | So I don't know if it is actually required on an install. |
| 19:53.31 | northstar | the steam package from valve does that for you, so i assume the one in the debian repos will also add it? |
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| 19:55.18 | somiaj | Naughx: multiarch is not enabled by default, so you will have to enable it. But once it is enabled you can leave it alone |
| 19:56.48 | Naughx | okay |
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| 19:57.27 | somiaj | live images will need some sort of persistance to preserve the setting though |
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| 19:59.17 | sigdk | Hi. I'm can't watch video streaming. The app that seems to be missing is JW player, however I can't find it at the repos. Any idea how to resolve this ? |
| 20:02.08 | markybob | sigdk, jw player is just a flash thing (i think)...so installing flash should give you access |
| 20:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, use one of the players that are present? mplayer, vlc, ..... |
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| 20:02.26 | Naughx | vlc should work |
| 20:02.29 | NiLon | I have a vm disk image that should have lvm system inside it. However when I mount it to rescue system and do pvscan/vgscan/lvscan it says that no systems found. Do I need to do something before it can find the volumes inside it? |
| 20:02.40 | Naughx | What is the file format? |
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| 20:05.30 | sigdk | Naughx, it doesn't, and it seems I also have problem when playing video files locally. The video doesn't show properly. Are there any codecs I need ? |
| 20:05.37 | sigdk | Naughx, I've installed vlc package |
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| 20:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, vlc will give you error messages if run from the commandline... (so will mplayer) |
| 20:08.13 | FFDR | Hi Folks , so i have problem with Debian dim brightness , after minutes when start auto dim brightness my monitor start to flashing (Blinking) and need to touch mouse for back up brightness and not more blinking |
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| 20:08.55 | FFDR | Problem with monitor Blinking (Flashing) for Debian . Please Help guys |
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| 20:09.22 | AvatarA | you have to paste 5 times to get help |
| 20:09.37 | teraflops | sigdk: for a shitty flash video embedded i an web youll nedd flash player from the repos, if you want to get ri of the browser/flash part you can give a try to mpv+youtube-dl tht supportd a massive amount of sites |
| 20:10.32 | Naughx | If you don't care about losing some quality you can convert it with ffmpeg. |
| 20:11.14 | FFDR | Problem with monitor Blinking (Flashing) for Debian . Please Help guys |
| 20:11.59 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, indeed, Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.08 | sigdk | I've installed libvdpau1, but I get the same error |
| 20:12.15 | markybob | FFDR, you've basically guaranteed you'll get no help. just fyi. |
| 20:12.18 | sigdk | btw, how can I check if a library is already in my system |
| 20:12.22 | sigdk | ? |
| 20:12.25 | teraflops | Naughx: i think the issue is about video streaming how is related to that converting the video with ffmpeg? |
| 20:12.33 | teraflops | also ffmpeg? |
| 20:12.44 | Naughx | forget about it. |
| 20:12.46 | FFDR | fyi ?? |
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| 20:12.54 | somiaj | sigdk: dpkg -l lists all installed packages so does aptitude search ~i |
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| 20:13.09 | somiaj | sigdk: (well dpkg -l lists packages in the rc (removed but config state) too) |
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| 20:13.22 | somiaj | sigdk: you can dpkg -l packagename and check directly, or gerp/prase the list from either output |
| 20:13.23 | Naughx | I have no idea what he/she is trying to do. |
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| 20:14.57 | sigdk | somiaj, and how can I see where does a binary look for shared libraries when it runs ? |
| 20:15.33 | somiaj | sigdk: you may have to run a debugger and I forget the best way to do this. |
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| 20:16.06 | Naughx | ldd does show some libraries I think |
| 20:16.26 | Naughx | (Lets take for example "ldd /bin/bash" |
| 20:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, where is that install of vlc from? |
| 20:17.13 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, I didn't get the question |
| 20:17.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, what does this command return? dpkg -S $(type -p vlc) |
| 20:17.51 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, vlc-nox: /usr/bin/vlc |
| 20:18.06 | teraflops | dpkg: also what gpu/driver are you using and what debian release? |
| 20:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's the vlc you're using? |
| 20:18.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, teraflops |
| 20:18.15 | teraflops | ups |
| 20:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal teraflops |
| 20:18.20 | dpkg | points at teraflops and laughs |
| 20:18.29 | teraflops | sigdk: also what gpu/driver are you using and what debian release? |
| 20:18.33 | teraflops | :P |
| 20:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, point is... there is no libvdpau_i965.so in debian as far as I can tell... so I wonder how a program can miss it |
| 20:19.25 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
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| 20:22.02 | Naughx | that seems to have something to do with nvidia's drivers... euh... |
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| 20:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Naughx, the "i" in i965 should be (on-board) "intel" |
| 20:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... debian release would be good to know |
| 20:24.29 | Naughx | Oh I just looked on wikipedia... I've no idea what it does. |
| 20:24.41 | Naughx | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| 20:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, what debian release is it? also... try mplayer for a different error message |
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| 20:27.02 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, I get the same error: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1 |
| 20:27.20 | dimitry7 | Hey guys! If I leave a virtual Interface configured like this: https://paste.debian.net/312649/ (no auto option) |
| 20:27.28 | dimitry7 | will it start at boot time? |
| 20:27.37 | sigdk | in addition, previously it shows also: Failed to open /etc/mplayer/input.conf. |
| 20:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what debian release? |
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| 20:30.13 | Naughx | it does that when you try to open your stream or with any video formats? |
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| 20:31.25 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, stretch/sid |
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| 20:32.04 | sigdk | where are supposed these .so libraries be ? |
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| 20:35.56 | AvatarA | sigdk do you have totem installed? |
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| 20:37.13 | sigdk | AvatarA, nope |
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| 20:37.47 | sigdk | I'll try it |
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| 20:38.48 | AvatarA | not that it works but I am curious if you go in to a terminal and type "totem /path/to/yourvideo.mp4" |
| 20:39.04 | AvatarA | if it gives you an error mentioning something about TLS slots |
| 20:39.43 | teraflops | sigdk: this channel is for debian stable, that said, you didnt say what drivers are you using, I smell there a .run stuff or may be a frankendenbian, just guessing |
| 20:39.54 | AvatarA | when did you last upgrade? |
| 20:40.04 | AvatarA | no teraflops, I had the same problem |
| 20:40.05 | AvatarA | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=793641 |
| 20:40.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/793641 in libc6 (open, fixed-upstream, patch): «glibc: too few static TLS slots»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-25; last modified: 2015-08-17. |
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| 20:40.14 | sigdk | hmm, impressive. totem plays the video properly |
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| 20:40.40 | AvatarA | but it was fixed and I was very happy and I thank all the maintainers |
| 20:41.01 | sigdk | teraflops, how can I check what drivers I'm using ? |
| 20:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, google only finds reports for this bug for ubuntu... |
| 20:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, I guess you can work around it quite easily with e.g. mplayer -vo xv (or x11 or sdl or gl instead of "xv") |
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| 20:42.25 | sigdk | AvatarA, my problem began when I tried to watch a streaming video (which still exists). It requests a JW player. I also tried to play local video files and they have problem too. I'm not sure though if these 2 issues are related |
| 20:42.29 | AvatarA | sigdk, again, when did you last upgrade your packages? |
| 20:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... when I do mplayer -vo vdpau, I get the same error and no output |
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| 20:43.19 | AvatarA | I remember that vdpau error didn't affect the ability to play videos |
| 20:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | main question is, why this would be the default mplayer video output for you |
| 20:43.32 | AvatarA | the real problem was the TLS thing |
| 20:44.44 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, mplayer -vo gl/x11 worked. The rest no... what do these parameters do ? |
| 20:44.48 | teraflops | sigdk: well, checked the vlc options regarding hw accel? |
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| 20:45.29 | sigdk | AvatarA, it's been 2 months (?) I guess I updated also some now by installing totem |
| 20:45.43 | Neon | I'm trying to compile the GCLib 2.22 on Debian Wheezy x64 for i686. I configured using: ../glibc-2.22/configure --prefix=$HOME/public/lib --host=i686-linux-gnu --build=i686-linux-gnu CC="gcc -m32" CXX="g++ -m32" CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686" CXXFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686" I get an error: libc-tls.c:188:1: error: '__NR_set_thread_area' undeclared (first use in this function) Weirdly, the undeclared constant appears to not be anywhere |
| 20:45.43 | Neon | in the sources (only in the changelog file an entry saying it had been removed). Any idea what weird magic I became a victim of? |
| 20:45.45 | sigdk | teraflops, nope... what kind of check should I do ? |
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| 20:46.22 | teraflops | sigdk: disable it or check that theres no vdpau wandering arround there :P |
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| 20:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg vdpau |
| 20:46.42 | dpkg | VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) is an <API> and open source library, providing accelerated video playback by offloading video decoding/post-processing to the <GPU>. The Nvidia VDPAU driver is packaged for Debian, the <nvidia> proprietary driver is required for its use. VDPAU is supported on the GeForce 8 series and later, excluding G80-based 8800 devices. For AMD Radeon support, ask me about <uvd>. See also <vaapi>. |
| 20:47.00 | AvatarA | sigdk, all I can say is that an upgrade fixed all those problems for me |
| 20:47.06 | teraflops | also in my humble opinion vlc is overrated |
| 20:47.25 | AvatarA | excepting that jw player thing, don't know about that, maybe not related |
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| 20:47.46 | sigdk | is this related to the streaming video I'm trying to watch ? It seems there is a missing plugin... |
| 20:47.58 | sigdk | ok |
| 20:48.19 | teraflops | or give a try mpv + youtube-dl |
| 20:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, I don't see that vdpau makes any sense with an intel card... - I also get that message in mplayer, but then mplayer switches to use xv. this is also pretty much the first time I encounter it... switch the video out |
| 20:49.22 | sigdk | teraflops, dude, it's live streaming... how can youtube-dl help ? |
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| 20:49.42 | teraflops | mpv http://whatever |
| 20:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems for mplayer that error is just a warning when it tries to use vdpau first |
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| 20:51.25 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: vdpau-va-driver - VDPAU-based backend for VA API |
| 20:51.39 | valdyn | err, thats reverse i guess |
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| 20:52.03 | valdyn | mesa-vdpau-drivers - Mesa VDPAU video acceleration drivers should work on intel though |
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| 20:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mesa-vdpau-drivers |
| 20:55.05 | judd | Package: mesa-vdpau-drivers on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 10.6.3-1; sid: 10.6.7-1; experimental: 11.0.0-1 |
| 20:56.11 | teraflops | well, vaapi just works if youre on intel |
| 20:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, seems pretty new... still, I don't see that it failing really has anything to do with his video problems |
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| 20:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least mplayer should just try it, then move on to xv or so |
| 20:56.45 | sigdk | teraflops, how can I fetch the url of the video stream source ? It can't be the site url... |
| 20:57.09 | teraflops | CutMeOwnThroat: unless you write an mplayer.conf and then you get rid of those errors |
| 20:57.11 | valdyn | sigdk: use the "inspect" feature of your webbrowser |
| 20:57.13 | teraflops | a* |
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| 20:58.32 | teraflops | sigdk: somes times the url is ok, other times when it's embedded you have to figure out a valdyn says |
| 20:58.35 | teraflops | as* |
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| 21:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigdk, you should probably try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable... |
| 21:12.05 | sigdk | ok |
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| 21:12.52 | sigdk | CutMeOwnThroat, that's invite only |
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| 21:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the whole line that I wrote? |
| 21:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 21:16.25 | sigdk | ok :) |
| 21:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.33 | sigdk | yeah, got it |
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| 21:20.19 | kaminary | hello |
| 21:20.55 | kaminary | After updating my Debian Testing I get some strange errors and the KDE dont open anymore, can anyone help me? |
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| 21:23.09 | m0rd3cai | so ive installed deb 8 with LVM. worked fine for 3-4 weeks and now it prompts for password and underneath says "lvm no configured correctly" |
| 21:23.12 | m0rd3cai | what could have changed? |
| 21:23.55 | beefnog | m0rd3cai: have you attached / removed any storage devices since the last time it worked? |
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| 21:26.10 | kaminary | syslog says something like: lightdm: GLIB_GIO_CRITICAL: q_bus_connection_call_sync_internal: assertion: 'object_path != NULL && g_variant_is_object_path (object_path) ' failed |
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| 21:27.01 | kaminary | has anyone an idea of what can this be? |
| 21:27.31 | kaminary | I can open programs normally, but the kde menus and toolbars dont apear |
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| 21:29.59 | squinty | kaminary, testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 21:33.01 | WormFood | Has anyone ever been able to get the Canon laser printer drives (from Canon) to work on Debian (any version)? I've tried every version of Debian, back to version 6, and nothing works (always segfaults). I read on some random forum, that someone was able to get them to work under the Manjaro distro, but I'm skeptical. |
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| 21:35.09 | jlx | hello i got a problem no amount of googling seems to fix i am trying to stream the audio from Aplay via darkice(darksnow) but i have no idea how to get the audio from aplay to darkice Jack? but how either where i can find help or some not to complicated answer would be nice thank you |
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| 21:36.55 | Moarderp | Really finding it hard to use Debian. Could you point me to your favourite websites so I don't have to pester you all! |
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| 21:38.24 | teraflops | Moarderp: I do not understand your question, favorite websites? |
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| 21:38.44 | digdilem | news, reddit and comics> |
| 21:38.48 | teraflops | about setting up debian? |
| 21:38.48 | WormFood | Moarderp, Debian is really just another distro. If you've used Linux before, then you should have no problems with debian. If you haven't used Linux before, and you're having problems, then you'll most likely have problems with any distro |
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| 21:39.16 | Moarderp | I'm new to Linux as a whole. |
| 21:39.47 | Moarderp | teraflops: Yeh, anywhere I can go to learn how to use linux, non-free repos and general usage of Linux. |
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| 21:40.35 | WormFood | so, it's really not a Debian thing, it's a Linux thing. There are many tutorials online, for learning Linux. What you learn, will depend on what exactly you want to do. |
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| 21:41.37 | teraflops | ah, good the debian wiki is ok also the debian-handbook, https://wiki.debian.org/ && https://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 21:43.14 | Moarderp | Yeh, I'm quite sure my current role will require me to have a basic understanding of Linux so I'm trying to get a little ahead of myself and my manager. |
| 21:43.35 | Moarderp | But, I will trawl through those links you've shared. |
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| 21:46.02 | Moarderp | Just a quick one. How do I access sources.list as root? |
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| 21:46.58 | markybob | Moarderp, sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:47.19 | teraflops | Moarderp: just use it, and go tending to the problems you face as they arise |
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| 21:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moarderp, what do/will you have to do? |
| 21:49.45 | Moarderp | CutMeOwnThroat: I have no idea. I'm just learning to do things I want to do with it first and hope I can take some of that to assist my manager. |
| 21:49.52 | Moarderp | teraflops: Thanks just got it. |
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| 21:55.22 | Moarderp | markybob: It says [User] is not in the sudoers file. |
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| 21:55.38 | markybob | Moarderp, visudo |
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| 21:55.54 | Moarderp | ?? |
| 21:55.58 | Moarderp | Visudo? |
| 21:56.03 | markybob | !sudo |
| 21:56.04 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 21:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moarderp, well... what are the "things you want to do with it first" |
| 21:56.40 | Moarderp | Installing apps. Understanding terminal. |
| 21:56.47 | markybob | Moarderp, /msg dpkg about those things. visudo, sudoers |
| 21:56.51 | Moarderp | Basically general users things. |
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| 21:56.56 | Moarderp | Ok. |
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| 21:57.20 | northstar | Moarderp, you can install debian-reference-en. lots of useful info. |
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| 21:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am not sure what "general user things" are |
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| 21:59.33 | jlx | ugh well im giving up on my audio pipe problem im just gonna build a second computer and plug it in line in |
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| 22:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Moarderp, it's generally best if you can stick with installing applications from the debian repos. »apt-cache search seachterm« searches for packages with "searchterm" in the description. »aptitude install packagename« installs the package. There are a lot of packages in Debian... it's not very hard to stick with what's there and it saves you a lot of trouble in the long run. if you think you must have something not in the repo, compile/buil |
| 22:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | d it from source to /usr/local, don't install random .deb files from somewhere. |
| 22:02.30 | WormFood | But i thought random .deb files is where all the fun is. |
| 22:03.35 | teraflops | WormFood: youre so brave sir |
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| 22:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess that ping timeout was before he ever got to see what I wrote |
| 22:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | way of the world (of irc) |
| 22:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, why don't you just go and "upgrade to experimental" |
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| 22:05.27 | WormFood | maybe I already have :P |
| 22:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope, you're still typing in here |
| 22:05.56 | WormFood | I do have more than one machine you know? |
| 22:06.17 | WormFood | I have about 20 computers here (that work) |
| 22:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and all "running experimental" |
| 22:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | adorable |
| 22:06.47 | WormFood | no, no. They're running Windows 10, the best OS ever made. |
| 22:07.36 | WormFood | except for my '286, that runs Mac OS 7.5 |
| 22:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | blasphemy, it wasn't made, it was sent from god itself |
| 22:09.04 | WormFood | which god? There are so many. |
| 22:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think this has reached the point where it must go to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:09.47 | WormFood | meh. nobody here that's on-topic. |
| 22:09.58 | markybob | doesn't matter. follow the rules |
| 22:10.30 | WormFood | rules were meant to be broken. :P Or at least bent a little. |
| 22:10.52 | markybob | they've been bent. now you're going too far with talk about gods |
| 22:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not as #debian-offtopic is so busy that we'd disturb the important conversation going on there |
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| 22:11.22 | jlx | oh im a bloody geniuos i can do the heavy lifting decoding/demodulating the tetra on my main computer pipe it via network to sorting/playing software to ancient laptop plug laptops outaudio to line in and voila i has stream not the smoothest way but it should work |
| 22:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | EPARSE |
| 22:11.42 | jlx | thanks wormfood you gave me the idea |
| 22:11.53 | WormFood | I did? |
| 22:12.03 | jlx | yup |
| 22:12.14 | WormFood | cool! I didn't even know. |
| 22:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he said you're a bloody genius |
| 22:13.59 | WormFood | I remember back in the day (10+ years ago), I'd pipe the output of mpg123 to the network, and just pipe it straight into the audio device on the remote computer. It worked surprisingly well (no skips or crap like that) |
| 22:15.39 | WormFood | I remember, the computer connected to the stereo, had a 100 meg hard drive in it, running red hat 5, and it had about 5 megs of free space. Now I'd do the same function with a network connected microcontroller. |
| 22:15.49 | jlx | just hoping that old POS wont catch fire while compiling lol |
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| 22:16.11 | WormFood | you can compile whatever on another machine, and copy it over. |
| 22:16.57 | jlx | true in most cases but with this poerticular thingity it seems to be problematic |
| 22:17.12 | kaliguest12345 | hello, how can one edit the local package list of a repo? I have run "apt-get update" and yet the local list is causing 404's for some packages. I know it is not exactly "safe" to locally modify the list unless you *know* what you are doing. How can it be done? |
| 22:17.16 | jlx | not sure why thou |
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| 22:17.56 | jlx | are you using Kali 2.0? |
| 22:18.04 | kaliguest12345 | i am |
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| 22:18.22 | WormFood | !kali |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 22:18.33 | teraflops | !frankendebian |
| 22:18.34 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 22:18.43 | jlx | guessingyou didnt have internet while installing so installer adds ## infront of lines edit apt sources list and remove the # infront |
| 22:18.44 | kaliguest12345 | WormFood: thanks, but this is a general debian question |
| 22:18.47 | kaliguest12345 | not kali specific |
| 22:19.08 | WormFood | Your question relates to your distro. Which is not supported here. |
| 22:19.15 | markybob | kaliguest12345, doesn't matter |
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| 22:19.37 | kaliguest12345 | ok. i'm using debian testing on another machine. i want to modify the local repository list. how can i do that? |
| 22:20.04 | teraflops | l0xas: hey be kind and respect the topic, or go kali and ask there |
| 22:20.19 | teraflops | srry i meant kaliguest12345 |
| 22:20.37 | markybob | kaliguest12345, testing isn't supported here either |
| 22:20.55 | WormFood | waits for him to ask the same question again. |
| 22:21.02 | kaliguest12345 | i do also have a stable box. is that supported? |
| 22:21.11 | markybob | kaliguest12345, no one believes you. go away |
| 22:21.27 | kaliguest12345 | fingerprint phanes.feralhosting.com if you don't believe me |
| 22:21.33 | kaliguest12345 | that is running debian 8.1 |
| 22:21.34 | WormFood | when you type cat /etc/debian_version what do you get? |
| 22:21.44 | markybob | whatever he googles is what he'll paste |
| 22:22.09 | kaliguest12345 | i'm asking you to fingerprint the device with nmap/etc if you don't believe me |
| 22:22.12 | WormFood | kaliguest12345, did you ask in the kali channel? |
| 22:22.37 | WormFood | Maybe they have some tips that are specific to kali to help you out. |
| 22:22.59 | babilen | kaliguest12345: Please take it to the kali support channel. It really doesn't matter that you also have other boxes or that you tried Debian before. This is a Kali box and therefore not supported in here. |
| 22:23.56 | kaliguest12345 | the question is a generic apt-get/aptitude question. not a kali specific question |
| 22:24.03 | markybob | kaliguest12345, no |
| 22:24.05 | babilen | That doesn't matter |
| 22:24.14 | jlx | kaliguest i did send you the answer already anyways in pm |
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| 22:24.37 | babilen | The box you are working on is Kali Linux, hence support by their channel and ##linux and plenty of others, but *not* #debian |
| 22:24.52 | kaliguest12345 | jlx: no you didn't. you showed me how to modify repository lists. While I appreciate the help, that is not the answer I am looking for |
| 22:25.12 | babilen | Please respect that channel policy. People from this channel are more than welcome to join the kali channel too if they like to help out there too. |
| 22:25.15 | markybob | kaliguest12345, we won't support you no matter how hard you try. might as well give up |
| 22:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true... if "trying hard" means running debian, we do... |
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| 22:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the advice would be "stick to the official repos" |
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| 22:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 22:26.47 | markybob | of course |
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| 22:29.15 | kaliguest12345 | on debian stable, where is the list of packages stored that is received from aptitude/apt-get? |
| 22:30.11 | babilen | kaliguest12345: Please paste the output of 'head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}' to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:34.36 | kaliguest12345 | babilen https://paste.debian.net/312666/ |
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| 22:36.21 | babilen | Please don't use ftp.debian.org, but a local mirror. You'd find package list at: /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.{debian.org*,nl.debian.org*} |
| 22:36.22 | kaliguest12345 | also, debian version is 8.2 |
| 22:36.38 | babilen | *lists |
| 22:36.38 | kaliguest12345 | not 8.1 as i guessed earlier |
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| 22:37.10 | kaliguest12345 | babilen: cool. noted. now where is the list of packages received from "aptitude update" stored? |
| 22:37.33 | babilen | I just told you |
| 22:37.55 | kaliguest12345 | ohha, oops. did not read all. thanks |
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| 22:38.48 | WormFood | I also overlooked it. I thought the two sentences were directly related, and just skimmed over the 2nd part. |
| 22:39.01 | babilen | Yes, reading is hard. |
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| 22:39.23 | WormFood | Me fail english? That unpossible! |
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| 22:41.09 | asdas | Hello |
| 22:41.27 | WormFood | ä½ å¥½ asdas |
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| 22:42.19 | asdas | Yesterday I was here saying that i was able to boot and install debian MATE from a livedvd in my MBP but not with a USB |
| 22:42.51 | asdas | Today I tried booting with a live DVD the XFCE version and it worked |
| 22:43.00 | WormFood | MBP can be a pain in the ass sometimes. How old is it? |
| 22:43.08 | asdas | 5 years old |
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| 22:43.25 | babilen | Also note that live images are not meant to be used for installing Debian |
| 22:43.31 | teraflops | asdas: is your efi is 32 bits may be you cannot boot form usb sticks |
| 22:43.33 | WormFood | I have a 2006 era MBP, that I'm working on. I couldn't get *anything* to boot from USB. |
| 22:43.54 | asdas | So my point is that the documentation is not updated in the debian wiki because it says it cant boot in efi |
| 22:44.10 | asdas | Can someone please change it? |
| 22:44.29 | WormFood | IF the efi is 32-bits, then there is a 64-bit layer you can use, and it will allow software to see it as 64-bit efi (of course, assuming you have a 64 bit cpu, and you most likely do) |
| 22:44.37 | asdas | At least with my MBP it worked when using a liveDVD and not a live USB |
| 22:44.50 | WormFood | asdas, what model is your MBP? |
| 22:44.54 | teraflops | WormFood: yes but not by default |
| 22:44.59 | asdas | 2010 MBP 15' |
| 22:45.15 | WormFood | That is 64-bit |
| 22:45.34 | WormFood | 2008 models are 32-bit. Everything after that is 64-bit. |
| 22:45.35 | asdas | Ok so trying to fix my debian installation i booted up my livedvd and went to rescue mode |
| 22:45.49 | WormFood | But, they use a bios compatability mode also. |
| 22:46.11 | WormFood | so, the EFI aspect of the Mac, shouldn't come into play, if it's booting in bios mode |
| 22:46.33 | WormFood | *hates* Mac. |
| 22:46.55 | WormFood | Mac is a PC, yes, but very non-standard. |
| 22:47.10 | teraflops | blame EFI WormFood |
| 22:47.15 | WormFood | asdas, are you trying to install it on the HDD? |
| 22:47.16 | asdas | And in rescue mode i chose something related to fixing UEFI. Now i have a new entry in my boot menu that is called UEFI besides OSX and the installtion im using now. What can i do to delete it or fix it? |
| 22:47.22 | teraflops | err apple's efi |
| 22:47.31 | asdas | WormFood: Im running from the HDD now |
| 22:47.47 | WormFood | are you using a hybrid partition table, or pure GPT? |
| 22:48.10 | asdas | WormFood: GPT i believe, its what comes with stock apple. |
| 22:48.44 | WormFood | So, you didn't run any special software on OSX, before you installed Linux? |
| 22:48.56 | WormFood | Like boot camp |
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| 22:49.38 | WormFood | boot camp will automatically create a hybrid partition table. I believe the presence of that, tells it to switch to bios mode, to boot that partition. |
| 22:50.09 | WormFood | If you're not using a hybrid partition table, then it should be booting in uefi mode |
| 22:50.44 | WormFood | and, if that is the case, then good luck. That's a big can of worms. Apple EFI implementation, is definitely not standard. |
| 22:51.38 | teraflops | asdas: with the latest MBP I just use a hfs esp, I bless it from osx and I use the osx bootloader for booting linux |
| 22:51.52 | teraflops | i find it the saner way |
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| 22:52.02 | asdas | WormFood: Well i tried once installing windows 10 |
| 22:52.09 | WormFood | bwhahaha |
| 22:52.11 | asdas | But deleted that partition |
| 22:52.25 | WormFood | deleted it? How? From within OS X/ |
| 22:52.26 | WormFood | ? |
| 22:52.58 | asdas | WormFood: No, i formatted the partition. Is there a way to know if i am using a hybrid partition table from debian? |
| 22:53.02 | WormFood | if you deleted it from outside of OSX, and left the space there, and then later used that space for Linux, then I suspect it's probably using BIOS mode, and a hybrid partition table. |
| 22:53.16 | WormFood | gdisk will tell you. |
| 22:53.22 | asdas | Dont feel like rebooting to osx |
| 22:53.45 | WormFood | do fdisk -l, and see if you see the 1st partition as type "ee" |
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| 22:54.17 | asdas | WormFood: So i typed gdisk and the /dev/sda |
| 22:54.19 | asdas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.35 | asdas | WormFood: It seems like its hybrid |
| 22:54.49 | WormFood | so, most likely your Linux, is booting in bios mode |
| 22:55.17 | asdas | Ok, but when i press alt to choose which os i want i get Macintosh, Debian and UEFI |
| 22:55.31 | WormFood | BUT, it should also be able to boot from EFI mode too, it's it's properly setup (I have a dual booting, hybrid partition table usb, that boots on EFI and BIOS machines) |
| 22:55.56 | asdas | Now... MAcintosh and Debian works but UEFI appeared after i tried fixing with the debian rescue mode live cd |
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| 22:56.02 | asdas | How can i delete that entry? |
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| 22:56.13 | BullHorn | does anybody run debian in a VM? |
| 22:56.15 | artisan_pickle | asdas: might need to run gptsync |
| 22:56.20 | BullHorn | like for fun/science/learning |
| 22:56.22 | WormFood | BullHorn, lots of people do. |
| 22:56.26 | BullHorn | cool |
| 22:56.36 | BullHorn | i dont know what VMs there are, im only aware of 2 types |
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| 22:56.40 | BullHorn | VMWare and VirtualBox? |
| 22:57.06 | asdas | artisan_pickle: How? I think i should install it. What does it do? |
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| 22:57.35 | asdas | Unable to locate package gptsync |
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| 22:58.23 | artisan_pickle | asdas: can't recall exactly wht it does, but i had to use it on a dual boot osx/linux probook install. you have to download it. read up on it first. |
| 22:59.21 | asdas | artisan_pickle: Ok. Thanks. |
| 22:59.48 | asdas | artisan_pickle: Do you know any other way i can fix my entries in my MBP? I really dont like that option |
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| 23:00.21 | jlx | WormFood Well the idea you somehow made me think up actually works :D (i think...) |
| 23:00.52 | artisan_pickle | asdas: not off-hand. |
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| 23:01.45 | WormFood | what happens if you boot to the 'UEFI' option? |
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| 23:02.21 | asdas | WormFood: It goes to grub rescue |
| 23:02.44 | asdas | WormFood: Also, if i dont press alt on my mbp when booting it too goes to the grub rescue screen |
| 23:03.05 | WormFood | even if you boot to OSX, and tell it to boot to another system? |
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| 23:03.57 | kaliguest12345 | wow, modifying the local list of packages by hand is ridiculous. :/ |
| 23:04.03 | kaliguest12345 | babilen: thanks for the help |
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| 23:08.18 | asdas | WormFood: No, when i choose MAcintosh after pressing the alt button it goes to OSX well |
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| 23:08.44 | WormFood | that isn't what I'm talking about |
| 23:09.41 | WormFood | the "bios" has a default partition/device to boot from. You set that with a special program. In osx, it's the boot device in the control panel. Boot camp in Windows, also gives you the same ability. I'm not sure how to change it under Linux |
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| 23:12.07 | BullHorn | what VM most of you guys use? |
| 23:12.08 | asdas | WormFood: How can i know? |
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| 23:12.45 | WormFood | BullHorn, xen |
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| 23:13.47 | BullHorn | neverheard |
| 23:14.01 | teraflops | BullHorn: quemu/kvm |
| 23:14.18 | BullHorn | neverheard |
| 23:14.37 | BullHorn | google says its called qemu |
| 23:14.45 | BullHorn | looks less adwary than xen |
| 23:15.07 | markybob | wow. we're correcting people on spelling now |
| 23:15.23 | markybob | people who are trying to help |
| 23:15.48 | WormFood | BullHorn, you use xen all the time, you just don't know it. Probably one of the IRC servers your message is going through now, is using xen. |
| 23:15.58 | teraflops | BullHorn: yes sure I mean that qemu you so kindly corrected to me |
| 23:16.03 | markybob | BullHorn, adwary isn't a word. so there. |
| 23:16.08 | BullHorn | thanks |
| 23:16.47 | BullHorn | so vmware and virtualbox are not recommended? |
| 23:16.56 | WormFood | adward is a perfectly cromulent word. |
| 23:17.25 | WormFood | you didn't ask what we recommend |
| 23:17.30 | WormFood | You asked what we use. |
| 23:17.49 | mtn | BullHorn, both are fine, but virtualbox is in the repos |
| 23:18.01 | WormFood | You're looking for a recommendation? |
| 23:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, nuffin wronk wid hafin korrekt spelin |
| 23:18.48 | WormFood | The problem is, you never stated your goals. You asked very broad and generic questions about what we use, and now you're talking about recommendations. |
| 23:18.49 | BullHorn | yes |
| 23:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 23:19.19 | BullHorn | ive asked this question 3 times in the past with different types of wording and never got an answer |
| 23:19.21 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, :P |
| 23:19.26 | WormFood | I eat dog food, because I don't have enough money, but I recommend steak |
| 23:19.33 | BullHorn | so 'what vm are you using' is by far the most useful |
| 23:19.40 | teraflops | BullHorn: then do the right questions |
| 23:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but we don't do polls in here... we did, but 1700 people giving some answer (often like "dunno") was a bit tiresome |
| 23:20.15 | WormFood | BullHorn, what the fuck do you want to do with your vm? How do you want to use it? On the desktop? As a backend, for a server? What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:20.36 | markybob | BullHorn, not at all. do you have several servers? do you want desktop virtualization for a single box? wide lan deployment to hundreds of machines? |
| 23:20.37 | BullHorn | i want to use a VM on windows10 so that i could try debian without having to dual-boot |
| 23:20.42 | teraflops | WormFood: that's the right question |
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| 23:21.21 | WormFood | I recommend vmware workstation. You can get a free 30 day trial from them, and renew it forever. |
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| 23:21.49 | teraflops | BullHorn: then qemu/kvm or libvirt is what id use since you can use virtIO |
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| 23:23.07 | WormFood | vmware workstation is super easy to install, and use. It's has a very intuitive interface. I think you'll find it easy to operate. If you want, I can give you a direct download link to the software, and you can register on their site. |
| 23:23.23 | teraflops | ^ |
| 23:23.32 | BullHorn | sure |
| 23:23.55 | WormFood | for debian, or windows, or what os? |
| 23:24.01 | BullHorn | windows 10 64bit |
| 23:24.05 | WormFood | I mean, you're running the software on |
| 23:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's kvm running under windows? |
| 23:24.18 | WormFood | the vm will run anything under it |
| 23:25.04 | markybob | i'd vote for virtualbox. no need to pay for something this simple. i use vsphere at work though |
| 23:25.09 | WormFood | http://softwareupdate.vmware.com/cds/vmw-desktop/ws/12.0.0/2985596/linux/core/ |
| 23:25.23 | WormFood | no need to pay for vmware either, since a 30 day license is free. |
| 23:25.29 | teraflops | lol |
| 23:25.35 | markybob | for 30 days...yeah... |
| 23:25.37 | WormFood | and once that expires, you get another one, and another one. |
| 23:25.48 | markybob | oh dear |
| 23:25.51 | WormFood | For over 10 years, i've been able to get free keys from them. |
| 23:26.11 | WormFood | They're just only good for 30 days at a time. |
| 23:26.16 | teraflops | this is the worst advice I ever see in this channel xDD |
| 23:26.21 | teraflops | haha |
| 23:26.22 | markybob | pretty much |
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| 23:26.47 | WormFood | well, I was just pointing out, it's a "free" solution, that's easy to use. |
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| 23:27.43 | markybob | it's not debian's definition of free or even non-free by any stretch |
| 23:27.56 | WormFood | I'd prefer to use something other than TeamViewer, but when I have to control Windows and Mac machines, and Linux machines...I control all 3...but that is what I recommend, because I don't know anything else that is cross platform, that is open source, that is easy to use, and works worth a damn. |
| 23:28.06 | teraflops | nah im not going to discuss it further |
| 23:28.31 | WormFood | Agreed markybob, which is why I put it in double quotes. It's not really free. You pay for it with your time, to get a new key. |
| 23:28.58 | BullHorn | ah you create a new account each month or something/ |
| 23:29.20 | WormFood | no. |
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| 23:29.39 | g00se | Hear that swishing sound? It's RMS's beard as he runs at you with a long knife |
| 23:30.30 | markybob | haha |
| 23:32.25 | WormFood | the saddest thing about vmware workstation, is they removed unity mode, for Linux. And then I discovered that openbox has a similar mode, so I'm gonna have to investigate that in more detail. |
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| 23:34.01 | BullHorn | so um |
| 23:34.07 | BullHorn | everyone hates VMWare Workstation |
| 23:34.19 | BullHorn | so what would you recommend for someone who just wants to try debian on his windows10 system |
| 23:34.20 | BullHorn | :3 |
| 23:34.56 | viscera | Does anyone know if this mass bug filing will apply to Jessie or just testing/unstable? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/07/msg00401.html |
| 23:35.09 | viscera | ("Proposed MBF: rcS init scripts with no equivalent systemd service file") |
| 23:35.18 | markybob | BullHorn, virtualbox |
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| 23:35.54 | bazhang | ,v virtualbox |
| 23:35.56 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.40-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/contrib: 4.3.30-dfsg-1+deb8u1; |
| 23:35.57 | judd | stretch/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.0.4-dfsg-3 |
| 23:36.56 | BullHorn | i used virtualbox once and it felt as if theres latency or very poor performance |
| 23:37.09 | BullHorn | like if you'd try to play a game through virtualbox itll be unbearable. did they improve this? |
| 23:38.53 | bazhang | what game |
| 23:39.03 | BullHorn | it was Path of Exile |
| 23:39.09 | BullHorn | thats not the point though |
| 23:39.13 | bazhang | why not steam |
| 23:39.18 | BullHorn | im going to suffer with debian enough, i dont need to have poor performance on top |
| 23:39.19 | BullHorn | wat |
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| 23:39.39 | bazhang | debian has no suffering involved |
| 23:39.48 | bazhang | if you dont want to use it |
| 23:39.54 | bazhang | then dont |
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| 23:40.20 | bazhang | steam has over 1500 games for linux |
| 23:40.25 | BullHorn | i want to try to use linux. the last time i used linux was about 5 years ago on ubuntu and it was terrible |
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| 23:40.39 | bazhang | thats ages ago |
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| 23:43.23 | markybob | BullHorn, ubuntu is terrible today |
| 23:43.36 | teraflops | adbuntu |
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| 23:46.04 | markybob | teraflops, yeah. that pisses me off. |
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| 23:47.08 | markybob | teraflops, i wrote software that they're making money on. ugh. |
| 23:47.30 | markybob | but that's off-topic. |
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| 23:47.56 | BullHorn | id like to point out that i still havent chosen a VM, after asking 3 times previous and discussing it here for 2 hours :P |
| 23:48.17 | BullHorn | first it was VMWare but then everyone said its bad, then it was VirtualBox but then nobody can say if it has latency/performance issues :3 |
| 23:48.20 | BullHorn | ill see myself out |
| 23:48.23 | BullHorn | thanks guy and good luck |
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| 23:49.00 | g00se | He's gone off to suffer |
| 23:49.18 | markybob | i guess. *shrug* |
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| 23:50.20 | markybob | like everyone is supposed to agree on one thing. ever voted in a national election? not how it works |
| 23:50.27 | bazhang | whats the steam package name here |
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| 23:50.52 | markybob | ,v steam |
| 23:50.53 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 23:50.57 | AvatarA | when did linux get so cool? everybody wants to try it without any apparent reason |
| 23:51.25 | markybob | well, it's only 386. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam |
| 23:55.09 | monkwitdafunk | is there a package for using the time as a screen saver? |
| 23:55.16 | monkwitdafunk | thanks debian channel |
| 23:56.40 | g00se | That's so yesterday |
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