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| 00:23.57 | markybob | i just dropped my laptop and it smoked. literally. great. i might be gone soon :P |
| 00:24.12 | markybob | at least it's working for now... |
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| 00:26.35 | r4zz | Hi |
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| 00:27.23 | r4zz | I have a lenovo laptop (b590) running windows 8.1 and I want to install Debian on it but I have problems with the wireless driver... |
| 00:27.30 | r4zz | any ideas regarding this? |
| 00:27.57 | dvs | !tell r4zz about firmware iso |
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| 00:28.10 | markybob | r4zz, try this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
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| 00:30.32 | r4zz | thanks! |
| 00:31.08 | aedinius | I wonder when the gcc5 migration is going to calm down. |
| 00:31.50 | markybob | aedinius, aedinius generally a month or so when things like this go down. |
| 00:32.06 | SirLagz | did something big change with gcc5 or something? |
| 00:32.16 | markybob | SirLagz, yes |
| 00:32.23 | SirLagz | does some googling |
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| 00:33.49 | pycoderf | greetings all. what do i have to set in my service file to stop a service from trying to restart on failure after x attempts? is it StartLimitBurst? |
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| 00:34.32 | SirLagz | markybob: massive ABI changes, is that what all the kerfuffle is? |
| 00:34.44 | markybob | SirLagz, yes |
| 00:34.50 | SirLagz | markybob: righto |
| 00:34.58 | SirLagz | doesn't affect me much since I'm no coder but interesting to know heh |
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| 00:38.35 | themill | SirLagz: it hits you because it makes a library transition for every single C++ library |
| 00:39.14 | dvs | only c++? |
| 00:39.21 | SirLagz | themill: well yes, but it won't be *me* doing any work I guess, as long as I stay on Jessie for a while, all the problems will be ironed out when I get to using anything gcc5 |
| 00:39.24 | SirLagz | compiled |
| 00:40.09 | themill | indeed, it just makes it very exciting to install packages in sid for the time being |
| 00:40.16 | SirLagz | hehe |
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| 00:40.25 | SirLagz | so, I won't be installing any packages on my sid system for now then :D |
| 00:40.58 | markybob | it gets even larger. deluge is python/gtk...it depends on libtorrent which is c++. which depends on libboost. |
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| 00:42.37 | ZitZ | i joined late, what is changing? |
| 00:42.40 | SirLagz | takes a note, don't use apt on sid system |
| 00:43.01 | markybob | ZitZ, gcc5 |
| 00:44.25 | ZitZ | ah thanks |
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| 00:58.58 | Rudde | Can I use a proxy to communicate with trackers in rtorrent? |
| 01:01.15 | markybob | Rudde, ask them |
| 01:01.32 | Rudde | I didn't find any communication channel |
| 01:01.47 | markybob | Rudde, it has nothing to do with debian. we wouldn't know |
| 01:02.27 | Rudde | I pretty sure a desent amount of the 1670 people here use and are pretty good at rtorrent |
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| 01:02.40 | markybob | Rudde, it's still not on topic |
| 01:02.55 | markybob | !offtopic |
| 01:02.56 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:03.10 | Rudde | I am a debian user |
| 01:03.17 | themill | markybob: steady... |
| 01:03.22 | Rudde | used it loyaly for 8 years |
| 01:04.17 | markybob | i just suggested he/she should ask the proper people |
| 01:04.31 | Rudde | This is the closest I got |
| 01:05.02 | themill | Suggesting asking ##rtorrent because they might know more is fine -- asking about packages in debian is most definitely not offtopic in #debian |
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| 01:06.26 | markybob | themill, so if you don't mind me asking, where did i go wrong? why the warning? |
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| 01:10.23 | BullHorn | im installing debian and im not sure if i need gnome, xfce, kde, etc |
| 01:10.51 | BullHorn | purpose of intalling debian is learning, general web usage and maybe doing some python stuff |
| 01:11.28 | markybob | BullHorn, best way is to google them. i use xfce myself |
| 01:12.23 | BullHorn | ah, those are like erm... UIs? |
| 01:12.31 | themill | https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 01:12.36 | markybob | BullHorn, yes |
| 01:14.34 | BullHorn | i hate choice, i can never decide :D |
| 01:14.46 | BullHorn | its a VM though, so resources arel imited. i guess lightweight is a good choice |
| 01:16.34 | viscera | BullHorn: perhaps LXDE unless your hypervisor has good 3D support |
| 01:16.52 | viscera | or LXQT if that's in debian |
| 01:17.23 | bazhang | ,v razor |
| 01:17.24 | judd | Package: razor on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.85-3; wheezy: 1:2.85-4+b1; sid: 1:2.85-4.1+b1; stretch: 1:2.85-4.1+b1; jessie: 1:2.85-4.1+b1 |
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| 01:19.25 | themill | ,v razorqt |
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| 01:19.26 | judd | Package: razorqt on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.2-4; sid: 0.5.2-4 |
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| 01:20.06 | BullHorn | i like xfce markybob, very win95 vibe ahah |
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| 01:20.25 | BullHorn | ah he was showcasing an older version... nevermind |
| 01:20.39 | BullHorn | its amazing how all UI versions of linux seemed to change visually nearly identical to windows |
| 01:21.35 | bagbobilgins | CLI is a UI, I think you mean GUI |
| 01:21.39 | themill | as soon as anyone changes away from the traditional look and feel, the pitchforks come out |
| 01:23.07 | BullHorn | what about web server, print server, ssh? |
| 01:23.16 | BullHorn | whats web server and ssh for? |
| 01:23.29 | BullHorn | i dont think ill need any of that inside the vm ;x |
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| 01:47.55 | QbY | Hello. I have two machines, completely identical in every way running Debian Jessie. One however is slow, very slow. It takes 30 seconds to login, 15 seconds to sudo -i, everything is slower. Is there a test I can run to see what may be wrong with it? |
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| 01:56.00 | BullHorn | umm does xfce come with any text editor or do i need to get one like gedit |
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| 01:57.23 | oneand0 | BullHorn: search for mousepad |
| 01:57.38 | BullHorn | ah yes, its installed |
| 01:57.44 | BullHorn | weird animal-items |
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| 02:00.18 | AvatarA | QbY, you could check /var/logs and see if you can find something |
| 02:00.32 | AvatarA | * /var/log |
| 02:00.34 | QbY | AvatarA: I've looked, nothing odd, Running this sysbench now |
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| 02:13.39 | charli | Hello. Does anyone knows when will kernel 4.2 make to stable, who will be the maintainerï¼ |
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| 02:31.37 | thenewone | hi |
| 02:31.53 | thenewone | how can i stop samba protocol ? |
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| 02:32.32 | th0r | Sudo service samba stop |
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| 02:34.32 | thenewone | thanks but this didnt work :) |
| 02:35.06 | antena-cli | sudo service smbd stop |
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| 02:36.31 | th0r | thenewone: sudo...not Sudo. Might be different in Jessie...I went back to Wheezy cause I didn't like the changes in Jessie |
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| 02:36.46 | thenewone | ah ok thanks |
| 02:37.25 | th0r | antena-cli: that will leave nmbd running. |
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| 03:08.53 | QbY | AvatarA: My problem was a DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf... I started ntoicing the differences in speed had to do with anything requiring a DNS lookup. |
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| 03:34.28 | viscera | So the default Debian desktop install has listening ports and no firewall, right? |
| 03:35.56 | somiaj | viscera: I can't think of any listening ports open to the public. But I am unsure what gnome does for sure. The thigns I know of only listen on localhost. |
| 03:36.08 | somiaj | i.e. the default desktop isntall wont' install any servers |
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| 03:37.09 | viscera | somiaj: I know from other distros that you get mDNS running by default. I guess what I'm asking is, is there an easy way to say to Debian installer "don't allow incoming connections" or "don't start any non-localhost services"? |
| 03:37.45 | viscera | somiaj: obviously I can use some kind of kickstart (or whatever the Debian equivalent is) but maybe there's some boot parameter? |
| 03:38.02 | somiaj | viscera: since i'm unsure what gnome will do I don't know the best answer. My answer is start with a minimial install and only isntall what you want. |
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| 03:38.45 | somiaj | viscera: basically the debian installer puts on a base system which will have no services listening on the internet. From there you choose what additional things you want to install. But I don't have a gnome install to test, I could load my xfce vm and see what it has. |
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| 03:41.44 | AvatarA | viscera, just systemctl disable what you don't need |
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| 03:47.02 | viscera | AvatarA: so i was planning to use the netinst which needs a network connection. i could systemctl disable stuff after the install, but stuff would have been listening for some time already. i suppose i could grab CD1 or whatever and do an offline install... |
| 03:47.19 | viscera | somiaj: when i install gnome it'll autostart services as per debian policy |
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| 03:47.34 | viscera | i've never understood that debian design decision and i wish it were off by defualt, to be honest |
| 03:48.02 | somiaj | viscera: yea you'll have to get a list of which ones they are. ON my xfce setup I get sshd (but I chose to install that seperatally) and rpcbind, though I could easily disable rpcbind as I don't use nfs. Those are the only two things I have listening on a default xfce4 install |
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| 03:48.20 | somiaj | viscera: because it assumes if you install a server you want to run it |
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| 03:48.45 | viscera | somiaj: yes, but normally a sysadmin will want to configure it to their liking/needs before they want it running |
| 03:49.08 | viscera | somiaj: and sometimes it's not even required, just a non-essential dependency |
| 03:49.23 | viscera | it just seems like a design flaw/vulnerability |
| 03:49.40 | viscera | anyway, i can work around it i guess. i'll do the offline install |
| 03:50.05 | AvatarA | it's not a debian decision |
| 03:50.33 | viscera | it's not? i thought the package scripts choose to turn it on |
| 03:50.39 | AvatarA | it is gnome desktop environment that you install that wants to be universal, and it is a good idea |
| 03:50.53 | AvatarA | more people would complain if their printer wouldn't work or network shares/etc |
| 03:50.56 | viscera | AvatarA: this isn't related to just gnome. any debian service starts by default |
| 03:50.58 | charli | viscera: `sudo lsof -Pni | grep LISTEN` search and disable |
| 03:51.03 | viscera | i know how to fix it after the fact |
| 03:51.06 | viscera | that's not my point |
| 03:51.13 | viscera | anyway |
| 03:51.35 | AvatarA | there really isn't reason to worry |
| 03:51.37 | viscera | i thought someone might know an easy way/flag to firewall/disable stuff before the fact |
| 03:51.44 | AvatarA | it's good that you're thinking about security |
| 03:51.58 | AvatarA | but in this case, there's no real problem |
| 03:52.02 | viscera | AvatarA: this is an untrusted network. i can safely download debs because their signed but i don't want stuf listening |
| 03:52.12 | AvatarA | you could choose the hard way and install gnome piece by piece |
| 03:52.28 | viscera | i think i'll just do the netinst, install/configure ufw, and then install gnome |
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| 03:52.45 | AvatarA | install the base system with netinst |
| 03:53.00 | AvatarA | and then you can install gnome-shell and other packages you need |
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| 03:53.29 | viscera | ... which start services as they're installed. it's okay, as i said i'll just get ufw working before i install gnome |
| 03:53.31 | AvatarA | avoid gnome / gnome-core / task-gnome-desktop metapackages that depend on a lot of stuff |
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| 03:53.42 | AvatarA | I say it's not worth the trouble but you have solutions |
| 03:53.59 | viscera | i always waste too much time configuring unless i run a DE |
| 03:54.06 | viscera | yeah |
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| 03:55.03 | AvatarA | and default firewall settings are not really much security |
| 03:55.26 | AvatarA | it's good to have it, just in case some program you don't know about suddenly listens to the whole world |
| 03:55.30 | viscera | AvatarA: What do you mean? ufw blocks by default, you just have to configure it to also block mDNS |
| 03:55.39 | viscera | basically uncomment two lines |
| 03:55.44 | viscera | or comment |
| 03:56.44 | AvatarA | so let's say you have a server and you need to run ssh server |
| 03:57.03 | AvatarA | ufw will block incoming, but you need to allow ssh connections on port 22 |
| 03:57.07 | viscera | i know that |
| 03:57.12 | viscera | that's the behaviour i want |
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| 03:58.53 | AvatarA | yes but now if you have a vulnerability in your ssh server I can exploit it |
| 03:58.54 | viscera | :) |
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| 03:59.11 | viscera | AvatarA: that makes no sense |
| 03:59.20 | lesta | ufw can also limit the sshd access (ufw limit ssh) |
| 03:59.32 | viscera | AvatarA: the vuln is there regardless on whether the firewall is up or down, given that debian starts sshd by default |
| 03:59.37 | lesta | to prevent brute force |
| 03:59.37 | viscera | as in when you install openssh-server |
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| 04:00.16 | Rusty1 | can sshd listen on a different , less obvious port? |
| 04:00.24 | AvatarA | yes but brute force is not the real problem... well at least if you have a good password, and you should use a private key anyway |
| 04:00.25 | lesta | sure |
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| 04:00.27 | viscera | i'm not sure what you guys are arguing for |
| 04:00.30 | somiaj | Rusty1: sure just modify sshd_config |
| 04:00.51 | viscera | sigh |
| 04:00.53 | AvatarA | short story, I'm saying if nothing is listening to the world, so what if the firewall blocks incoming? |
| 04:01.04 | nbags | hi, its suddenly taking a long time to log into this debian jessie box. i strace'd sshd and its hanging on /dev/urandom ... so i guess its running out of entropy for some reason. but im not sure what would have changed. how can i track down what going wrong and hopefully go back to (almost) instant logins? |
| 04:01.27 | viscera | the premise that nothing is listening to the world is false when you install services in debian, which is entirely my point. i'm not sure how you got onto this line of thinking |
| 04:01.28 | Rusty1 | can sshd only accept connections from known hosts? |
| 04:01.31 | viscera | anywa |
| 04:01.38 | viscera | i have a plan so yeah |
| 04:01.43 | lesta | Rusty1: yes |
| 04:01.48 | somiaj | Rusty1: that is a bit harder to set up via ssh, but firewalls can do that. |
| 04:01.48 | AvatarA | I'm not arguing :] |
| 04:01.52 | viscera | cool |
| 04:02.33 | lesta | Rusty1: read the sshd config manual |
| 04:02.41 | somiaj | Rusty1: well tehre is a user@host so you can set it up in sshd_config, but if you just want a whitelist I would do it at the firewall level (not sshd level) |
| 04:03.01 | Rusty1 | somiaj: excuse my socratic method |
| 04:03.18 | Rusty1 | :-) |
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| 04:03.45 | lesta | ListenAddress host|IPv4_addr:port |
| 04:03.54 | somiaj | Rusty1: either works, might also depend on overall setup which one is preferable. |
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| 04:04.39 | thenewone | Hi guys i'm new to debian |
| 04:04.49 | pistache | everyone is |
| 04:04.50 | thenewone | and i have tow questions |
| 04:04.53 | thenewone | cool |
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| 04:05.31 | thenewone | i just scanned my localhost and i found smtp open how can i delete the program who run this protocol |
| 04:05.38 | nbags | my sshd is hanging on /dev/urandom and logins are taking a long time. can anyone help? |
| 04:05.46 | thenewone | i have nothing to do with mail |
| 04:05.49 | pistache | nbags: i'm not sure you'd be able to see ssh hanging on /dev/urandom using strace |
| 04:06.08 | pistache | moreover, /dev/urandom can *NOT* block, so it'd to be blocking on it |
| 04:06.19 | nbags | pistache, yeah that what i thought! |
| 04:06.22 | pistache | you problem reminds me of troubles with DNS resolution |
| 04:06.32 | thenewone | i have the last version of debian 8 |
| 04:06.32 | nbags | pistache, ive tried those options |
| 04:06.34 | pistache | more specifically, reverse DNS resolution timing out on the SSH server |
| 04:06.43 | nbags | pistache, its not doing reverse DNS |
| 04:07.03 | nbags | pistache, when i strace it sits with /dev/urandom open while the login hangs |
| 04:07.13 | nbags | open("/dev/urandom", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_LARGEFILE|O_CLOEXEC) = 6 |
| 04:07.20 | pistache | /dev/urandom is probably unrelated to your problem here |
| 04:07.33 | pistache | does the login hang or eventually complete ? |
| 04:07.42 | nbags | pistache, completes after about 10secs |
| 04:08.08 | viscera | so are aptitude and apt-get still backed by different database backends or are they properly unified now? i seem to recall apt-get autoremove not working properly unless you EXCLUSIVELY used aptitude to install stuff... |
| 04:08.19 | pistache | can you try running 'host in-addr.arpa' on the server and see if it also takes 10sec to complete ? |
| 04:09.14 | pistache | for people to help, ou should also post the full client strace and debug logs (ssh -vv), as well as server auth logs if possible |
| 04:09.39 | pistache | thenewone: you can use netstat to see which processes are listening to sockets |
| 04:10.13 | pistache | an installed mail server package is usually required by Debian though |
| 04:10.32 | pistache | you can of course make it listen only to local connections |
| 04:10.34 | thenewone | pistache, i tryed this: sudo netstat -ano --tcp --udp --programs // but this dont show me nothing |
| 04:10.48 | thenewone | i wanna block it if that possible plz |
| 04:11.05 | thenewone | netstat shows me firefox & hexchat |
| 04:11.12 | pistache | you can use 'sudo netstat -tupan | grep 25' to see who has an open SMTP listening socket |
| 04:11.12 | MikeSeth | thenewone: netstat -atpn | grep :25 |
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| 04:12.05 | nbags | pistache, no the host command its working almost instantly |
| 04:12.11 | thenewone | emix4 |
| 04:12.14 | thenewone | is that correct ? |
| 04:12.19 | pistache | yes |
| 04:12.30 | thenewone | ok thanks guys |
| 04:12.33 | thenewone | cooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 04:12.33 | AvatarA | exim |
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| 04:12.37 | pistache | if it's listening only on 127.0.0.1:25 and ::1:25, you should probably now worry about it |
| 04:12.40 | pistache | not* |
| 04:12.43 | thenewone | exim4* |
| 04:12.50 | pistache | as these are local addresses |
| 04:12.56 | pistache | in the default configuration, it should be |
| 04:13.00 | thenewone | it's gone |
| 04:13.07 | thenewone | aha for what reason ? |
| 04:13.24 | pistache | all linux machines use local mail |
| 04:13.34 | thenewone | ah to talk to gether :) |
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| 04:13.42 | pistache | it's deeply integrated in the system, even for inter-user mail exchange on a local machine |
| 04:13.57 | pistache | for example, popcon uses the local mail server to send out the mails |
| 04:14.20 | thenewone | i remove it :) |
| 04:14.22 | pistache | and security warnings are sent to the user using the local mail system |
| 04:14.24 | thenewone | another question |
| 04:14.34 | pistache | you can see them by 'You have new mail' prompt in terminals |
| 04:14.38 | nbags | pistache, with debug on, sshd hangs at 'debug1: Entering interactive session.' the client hangs at 'debug1: Entering interactive session.' |
| 04:14.46 | thenewone | pistache, MikeSeth thanks guys |
| 04:14.52 | thenewone | my 2 question is |
| 04:14.52 | MikeSeth | nbags: UseDNS no |
| 04:14.59 | nbags | MikeSeth, tried that |
| 04:15.10 | thenewone | there is init.d and systemd i think both do the same job |
| 04:15.16 | thenewone | why i have the both in ? |
| 04:15.27 | thenewone | if i'm correct if they do the same job* |
| 04:15.33 | MikeSeth | nbags: paste the client log with -vvv |
| 04:15.34 | pistache | some packages require one, some the other |
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| 04:15.46 | pistache | Debian integrates them so that one can be used and "wrap" the other one |
| 04:15.57 | pistache | depending on whether you have the systemd-sysv package installed or not |
| 04:16.09 | thenewone | ok |
| 04:16.24 | thenewone | so systemd dont support all programs |
| 04:16.31 | thenewone | thanks guys |
| 04:16.47 | pistache | nbags: just to be sure, try to have a look at /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail on the server |
| 04:16.48 | AvatarA | it's the programs that must support systemd |
| 04:17.07 | thenewone | AvatarA, thanks for the info |
| 04:17.11 | thenewone | thanks guys |
| 04:17.15 | pistache | but it would really be surprised |
| 04:17.18 | AvatarA | more specifically, write unit config files |
| 04:17.19 | pistache | I* |
| 04:17.29 | nbags | pistache, MikeSeth https://paste.debian.net/312686/ |
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| 04:17.37 | somiaj | thenewone: that is not it, systemd has init.d script compadability. The matainers of packages have to support both sysvinit and systemd service files. Some choose to just use the compadability layer in systemd and only support the init.d script. But if you have systemd installed init.d scripts calls systemctl |
| 04:18.14 | thenewone | somiaj, in other words no need for init.d |
| 04:18.17 | somiaj | you can't really have both init systems installed at the same time, you get one or the other (and the one you boot with is the one that gets used). Compdability was to ease the transition betwen the two |
| 04:18.41 | somiaj | thenewone: provided every package has valid services files yes. I like it because I can just do /etc/init.d/service start/stop and it works on systemd systems as well as sysvinit systems |
| 04:18.42 | MikeSeth | nbags: interesting, do this: time ssh root@192.168.1.88 /bin/false |
| 04:18.52 | pistache | nbags: try to run top on the server to see if you have anything blocking the system |
| 04:18.56 | nbags | pistache, the entropy sits around 850-900 during the login |
| 04:19.12 | pistache | then your problem is somewhere else |
| 04:19.14 | MikeSeth | this is not an embedded box, is it |
| 04:19.24 | pistache | even if it were |
| 04:19.28 | somiaj | and /dev/urandom won't puase if entropy is low like /dev/random will |
| 04:19.29 | nbags | MikeSeth, no. its i386 |
| 04:19.30 | pistache | /dev/urandom will never block |
| 04:19.43 | nbags | pistache, the /bin/false hung just the same |
| 04:19.46 | thenewone | somiaj, thanks for the explication |
| 04:20.10 | pistache | nbags: I remember something with GSSAPI about this |
| 04:20.10 | nbags | MikeSeth, ^^ |
| 04:20.18 | pistache | and an old bug in ConsoleKit |
| 04:20.21 | nbags | pistache, how do i tell if something is blocking? |
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| 04:20.30 | somiaj | thenewone: in its current state debian gives users the choice which init system to use, but part of supporting two init systems is it is ince the init systems have some comadability built in. |
| 04:20.32 | pistache | something being ? |
| 04:20.42 | somiaj | nbags: now may -vvv is on your ssh command? |
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| 04:21.12 | nbags | pistache, in which column? i cant see any question marks |
| 04:21.15 | MikeSeth | nbags: no sshfs mounts, ssh tunnels, control multiplexing? |
| 04:21.23 | nbags | MikeSeth, no |
| 04:21.37 | pistache | nbags: is ConsoleKit taking 100% cpu on the server during the login ? |
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| 04:21.39 | somiaj | nbags: i.e. what is the ssh command you are running in verbose mode. |
| 04:21.45 | pistache | also, try restarting dbus on the server |
| 04:22.01 | MikeSeth | pistache: you're googling it too I am guessing ;) |
| 04:22.10 | pistache | be SURE that it's not DNS, because its the most common cause for this problem |
| 04:22.18 | nbags | pistache, no CPU is mostly sitting idle |
| 04:22.19 | pistache | MikeSeth: yup, and I had experienced the one with dbus |
| 04:22.28 | thenewone | cool i love this channel |
| 04:22.29 | nbags | pistache, yeah the UseDNS is the first thing i tried |
| 04:22.53 | nbags | pistache, restarting dbus didnt help |
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| 04:23.04 | ryouma | is jessie considered one of the more unstable releases? i have had nothing but trouble with it. |
| 04:23.06 | pistache | mmh |
| 04:23.09 | nbags | somiaj, its in the pastebin. 1st line |
| 04:23.13 | MikeSeth | nbags: you can max out the debug level on server side too |
| 04:23.14 | pistache | server loadavg ? |
| 04:23.21 | nbags | MikeSeth, sure, hang on |
| 04:23.23 | pistache | maybe sshd can't fork |
| 04:23.55 | MikeSeth | wait, does it log on eventually or not at all? |
| 04:23.58 | somiaj | nbags: I missed the pastebin |
| 04:24.00 | pistache | it does |
| 04:24.04 | pistache | nbags: ssh -o GSSAPIAuthentication=no user@host? |
| 04:24.49 | pistache | you can also take a look at the server's loadavg and kernel log, to see if it's an I/O problem |
| 04:25.07 | pistache | ryouma: things are very ok for me |
| 04:25.27 | ryouma | i am seriously considering trying to find another distro :( |
| 04:25.33 | pistache | i didn't expect jessie to be usable with/without systemd so easily |
| 04:25.38 | thenewone | ryouma, why ? |
| 04:25.49 | nbags | here's the server log: https://paste.debian.net/312687/ |
| 04:25.56 | nbags | MikeSeth, ^^ |
| 04:26.03 | thenewone | guys wish the debian stable distro ? |
| 04:26.13 | nbags | pistache, load average: 0.06, 0.10, 0.21 |
| 04:26.47 | nbags | pistache, nothing in the dmesg |
| 04:26.52 | ryouma | i have been trying to upgrade to jessie ever since it was released. i had initramfs problems, grub problems, and vt problems. right now, i have booting problems. |
| 04:26.54 | nbags | pistache, anything else i should check? |
| 04:26.55 | ryouma | and vt problems. |
| 04:27.14 | pistache | nbags: tried GSSAPIAuthentication=no ? |
| 04:27.16 | somiaj | nbags: when you ran the debug to try to see the issue did you run ssh -v user@host or ssh -vvv user@host |
| 04:27.17 | pistache | in the client CLI |
| 04:27.25 | nbags | pistache, same hang with that option |
| 04:27.44 | thenewone | it's working smouthly for me :) |
| 04:27.49 | pistache | hmm |
| 04:27.49 | thenewone | i'm the king of linux |
| 04:28.17 | nbags | pistache, its definitely sitting at /dev/urandom if i strace it ... but that doesnt make sense! |
| 04:28.26 | pistache | it's not sitting |
| 04:28.33 | pistache | strace prints that last call that completed |
| 04:28.42 | pistache | it does not help to know where it is sitting |
| 04:28.52 | somiaj | it isn't somethign silly such as /tmp is full or / is full? |
| 04:29.02 | nbags | pistache, yeah .. but its the call that opens /dev/urandom |
| 04:29.17 | pistache | how can you know ? |
| 04:29.33 | nbags | pistache, well its the last call that is printed and then it hangs |
| 04:29.37 | thenewone | ok guys good night |
| 04:29.51 | nbags | both / and /tmp are not full |
| 04:30.24 | pistache | nbags: -o "ProxyCommand nc %h %p" |
| 04:31.19 | nbags | pistache, same hang. |
| 04:31.36 | pistache | you said it hangs after the auth, right |
| 04:31.51 | nbags | pistache, during PAM stuff i think |
| 04:31.51 | pistache | after debug1: Authentication succeeded |
| 04:31.58 | pistache | it looks like PAM yeah |
| 04:32.11 | pistache | maybe try replacing /etc/pam.d/ssh on the server with a simpler setup |
| 04:33.26 | somiaj | does running su - user have the same issue when on the server? (if it is a login(1) issue)? Or is something specific to ssh login? |
| 04:33.40 | nbags | somiaj, yes. that hangs as well |
| 04:33.43 | pistache | ah |
| 04:33.46 | pistache | nice somiaj |
| 04:33.52 | pistache | your common-session is b0rk |
| 04:34.06 | nbags | it was fine after upgrade to jessie and then this just happened really suddently |
| 04:34.38 | pistache | this is systemd-related |
| 04:35.09 | pistache | (i think) |
| 04:35.39 | pistache | have you tried restarting dbus on the server ? (sry my memory fails me) |
| 04:35.45 | nbags | pistache, yes |
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| 04:35.56 | pistache | hmm |
| 04:36.11 | nbags | pistache, im seeing systemd in my apt-get upgrade so i might just give that a shot |
| 04:36.21 | pistache | maybe your ConsoleKit setup on the server is failing (try to remove pam_ck_connecter from /etc/pam.d/common-session) |
| 04:36.24 | pistache | (temporarily) |
| 04:37.05 | pistache | or I don't see a pam_ck_connector in Debian, maybe it could be pam_systemd |
| 04:37.31 | pistache | is logind running on the server ? |
| 04:38.30 | nbags | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.06 | pistache | can you strace su - user ? |
| 04:40.31 | nbags | pistache, i just upgraded systemd udev and dbus. its all good now. must have hit a bug thats already been fixed. sorry about that. but thanks, i think i learned some debugging skills :) |
| 04:41.04 | pistache | just curious, are you running jessie ? |
| 04:41.04 | somiaj | nbags: maybe you had some upgrade in the middle where something wasn't happy. Glad it is now fixed. |
| 04:41.16 | nbags | pistache, yes, jessie |
| 04:41.20 | nbags | was upgraded from wheezy |
| 04:41.30 | pistache | ok |
| 04:41.37 | pistache | glad you're ok |
| 04:41.41 | nbags | cheers |
| 04:43.51 | MikeSeth | so systemd strikes again |
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| 05:26.55 | guser1 | hi. How to change the icon size of panel-starters/launchers: as you see in that screenshot: or I want to get the libreoffice icon smaller, or the other icons bigger. : http://snag.gy/k2sdR.jpg How? |
| 05:28.02 | markybob | guser1, System Settings->Application Appearance->Icons->Advanced work |
| 05:28.04 | markybob | ? |
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| 05:31.01 | guser1 | markybob: hi.. mm.. how could I start "systemsettings" in english? (mine is german) |
| 05:31.28 | lfam | Is anyone using systemd user sessions on the official 8.1 EC2 image (ami-8b9a63e0)? I get "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" |
| 05:31.50 | lfam | Having trouble finding my way around that on Google |
| 05:32.17 | markybob | guser1, i have no idea. maybe ask #debian.de |
| 05:33.21 | guser1 | ok.. but.. I tried that already in the past (systemsettings).. but changing these setttings, e.g. from 22px to 16px has not an effect at all |
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| 06:03.38 | jormothy | just got Debian installed on a ASUS chromebox, pretty awesome but now having issues with xrandr not querying correctlty so i can find the name of my display in order to rotate |
| 06:04.24 | jormothy | tried using -o left and get "error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 06:04.32 | jormothy | any help? |
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| 06:07.14 | schu-r | Hello! Im using Debian Testing for some years now as my working system. Minor problems so far. But can anyone tell whats wrong now? When I want to update it tells me that a lot of libraries and programms have to be removed. Ist there any major change in the system. I cant update because i need filezilla and gimp but it seems that they are no longer compatible with the repository. |
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| 06:10.43 | zykotick9 | schu-r: it's due to a gcc transition... I don't know the details, I don't track testing myself (I value stability over new versions). You could try #debian-next on OFTC for further details, I'd suspect. |
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| 06:17.20 | Ivo | is there any cool webservice to discover if a /path/to/exe belongs to a package? |
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| 06:19.27 | Ivo | or is there a tool in debian? |
| 06:19.52 | SPF | Ivo: you can have a look at apt-file |
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| 06:27.40 | veek | what's the dir for user defined udev rules? /lib/udev seems to contain scripts to create rules in /etc |
| 06:28.35 | SPF | veek: see /etc/udev/rules.d/README |
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| 06:29.53 | veek | SPF, no such file |
| 06:30.00 | veek | jessie |
| 06:30.22 | veek | that dir is script generated |
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| 06:32.02 | SPF | veek: https://paste.debian.net/312688/ |
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| 06:32.54 | SPF | not sure why I do have the file, maybe it was moved to man |
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| 06:37.10 | veek | SPF thanks |
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| 06:48.09 | veek | ATTRS{DEVTYPE}=="disk", ATTRS{ID_BUS}=="usb", ATTRS{ID_USB_DRIVER}=="storage", SYMLINK+=ATTRS{ID_MODEL} why do i get: "invalid key/value pair in file /etc/udev/rules.d/80-my-udev.rules on line 1,starting at character 78 ('S')' |
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| 06:59.38 | veek | oo working |
| 07:00.40 | amicuscuriae | What is working veek |
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| 07:04.29 | veek | amicuscuriae, udev rule :) know anything about it? |
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| 07:04.57 | veek | amicuscuriae, i'm trying to create a symlink to my usb device eg: Sandisk_Cruzer_16GB |
| 07:06.17 | veek | ATTRS{vendor,model,size} |
| 07:07.12 | amicuscuriae | no I don't know |
| 07:07.25 | amicuscuriae | veek, have you tried Linux 4 yet? |
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| 07:08.16 | veek | nope |
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| 07:27.39 | brian|lfs | hello |
| 07:28.04 | brian|lfs | is anyone around? |
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| 07:28.41 | veek | *woof* |
| 07:28.54 | brian|lfs | lol |
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| 07:29.18 | brian|lfs | I've got vga passthrough working |
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| 07:29.45 | brian|lfs | but can't run it as myself and have modified qemu.conf under the libvirt folder to allow it to run as me |
| 07:29.52 | brian|lfs | so I"m rather confused |
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| 07:33.35 | Goldldshmidschmi | Ã=6É°Ã1¢p"FsöªÂ$ |
| 07:33.41 | Goldldshmidschmi | SÉñD¿iü<Â'Nà |
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| 07:33.53 | Goldldshmidschmi | Y¶lmVZxö |
| 07:34.17 | veek | ah! |
| 07:34.25 | brian|lfs | I can't read that |
| 07:34.34 | veek | yeah binary garbage |
| 07:35.37 | veek | brian|lfs, try #linux as well |
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| 07:37.47 | brian|lfs | good point veek |
| 07:38.01 | brian|lfs | I image there has to be a way |
| 07:38.07 | brian|lfs | imagine |
| 07:38.25 | brian|lfs | don't think its a good idea to logging in as root all the time just to use winblows lol |
| 07:38.43 | brian|lfs | and kind of defeats the point of making a vm with pass through |
| 07:39.16 | brian|lfs | if there was no way around it I might as will get rid of linux lol |
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| 07:41.49 | brian|lfs | I think everyone is passed out veek |
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| 07:42.34 | brian|lfs | I probably will have to post to the debian forms or something but not at this hour when I need sleep |
| 07:42.54 | themill | You'd normally be in the libvirt and kvm groups (not sure if that's needed for that specific feature) |
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| 08:32.22 | leaeasy | I have installed emacs today, but i found its desktop file has to "Desktop Entry". |
| 08:32.29 | leaeasy | I have installed emacs today, but i found its desktop file has two "Desktop Entry". |
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| 08:33.53 | adac | I can start every binary with systemd right? |
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| 08:41.27 | jelly | adac: sore, why not |
| 08:41.30 | jelly | sure* |
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| 08:45.47 | epsilon | but don't tell that the systemd developers, they will fork every single binary and integrate in systemd |
| 08:45.48 | adac | jelly, because it seems I cannot start my own app trough systemd :) |
| 08:46.38 | adac | I'm certainly doing something wrong |
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| 08:46.59 | jelly | adac: are you sure you can't start the binary, or does it start and then die prematurely? |
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| 08:47.09 | jelly | epsilon: please don't |
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| 08:49.17 | adac | jelly, it starts the binary but then it takes forever for systemd until it says: |
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| 08:49.41 | adac | ob for myapp-device.service failed. See 'systemctl status myapp-device.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
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| 08:51.08 | adac | jelly, some kind of a timeout: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f3f1e102c7b8a0638340 |
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| 08:57.53 | placko | Hi, 'nopaste' probram seems to work for me anymore. I remember it worked before nice. Now when I use itthis is what I get: |
| 08:57.58 | placko | $ nopaste < ddd |
| 08:57.58 | placko | App::Nopaste::Service::Codepeek: No form defined at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Codepeek.pm line 19. |
| 08:57.58 | placko | https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 08:57.58 | placko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.55 | rhcake | my network adapter doesn't work UNLESS i boot windows first and then reboot into debian |
| 09:03.03 | rhcake | does that sound like a software or hardware fault |
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| 09:04.44 | adac | jelly, with TimeoutStartSec=0 it works. However the start process never goes into the background. |
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| 09:17.14 | placko | Hello, I have problem with 'nopaste'. Please read descrition at http://paste.ubuntu.com/12513291/ (I got kicked out before for flooding). What other program do you use for uploading to pastebin? |
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| 09:19.32 | adac | placko, you can use also https://gist.github.com for example |
| 09:21.07 | placko | adac: with nopaste -s Gist I get: |
| 09:21.08 | placko | App::Nopaste::Service::Gist: Export GITHUB_OAUTH_TOKEN first. For example: |
| 09:21.09 | placko | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.09 | placko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:22.17 | adac | placko, Oh you se this comand line tool. probably you have to authenticate with githubs gist. |
| 09:22.35 | adac | not sure which other plaforms that nopaste supports |
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| 09:23.42 | placko | Onle Ubuntu and Shadowcat servers work for me at the moment with nopaste. |
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| 09:24.20 | placko | I am wondering why nopaste -s Debian is not working any more. It used to work. |
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| 09:25.35 | placko | Is there any other program that I can use instead nopaste? |
| 09:27.07 | jelly | placko: pastebinit |
| 09:27.33 | jelly | placko: cat foo | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:31.22 | placko | This is strange. pastebinit behave same as nopaste for me. sprunge.us is ok but invocation is inpractical. See: http://sprunge.us/JPMH |
| 09:31.42 | placko | $ pastebinit -i ddd |
| 09:31.42 | placko | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:33.57 | placko | Is it only me or can you paste to http://paste.debian.net/ with pastebinit or nopaste? |
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| 09:43.42 | g00se | >> but invocation is inpractical |
| 09:43.42 | g00se | Why? |
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| 09:45.29 | adac | Trying to make my systemd script starting on boot with "systemctl enable myapp-device". But I'm getting this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bb4bb5963b7f5d09638e any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 09:48.01 | g00se | Isn't it telling you what's wrong? |
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| 09:51.30 | placko | g00se: mutch more typing compared to pastebinit -i txt |
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| 09:52.31 | placko | does pastebinit or nopaste work for you? I am suspecting http://paste.debian.net/ has some issues. |
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| 09:54.17 | g00se | alias pbi="pastebinit -b http://sprunge.us ${@}" |
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| 09:55.19 | g00se | Or use ~/.pastebinit.xml |
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| 09:56.34 | g00se | I do that as paste.debian.net is so often broken |
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| 09:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is? |
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| 10:02.03 | placko | g00se: Thanks, I will use an alias. Could you test paste.debian.net now, just to put my mind at ease? |
| 10:03.57 | g00se | It's broken |
| 10:04.15 | placko | g00se: Thanks |
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| 10:05.34 | g00se | (That's to say my vanilla invocaton of pastebinit didn't work) |
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| 10:14.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to work fine |
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| 10:16.02 | BullHorn | ermm sudo: command not found |
| 10:16.08 | BullHorn | how can i get it now |
| 10:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | install it? |
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| 10:16.33 | BullHorn | oh wow |
| 10:16.34 | veek | any docs on understanding alsa and sound cards |
| 10:16.36 | BullHorn | ok :/ |
| 10:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | surprising solution, eh? |
| 10:17.17 | BullHorn | no i mean thats... just uncomfortable |
| 10:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | not everyone wants/needs sudo... e.g. I don't use it |
| 10:17.51 | BullHorn | whats the point of making that root account during installation, do people actually logout of their user and into root to run an admin command |
| 10:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but IIRC the installer asks you some question |
| 10:18.04 | BullHorn | it doesnt |
| 10:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | BullHorn, there's always "su" |
| 10:18.13 | BullHorn | it tells you 'ok this is root, choose a password' |
| 10:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I am sure it asks you questions :) |
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| 10:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, I faintly remember that there are some choices... maybe e.g. if you don't choose a password access is via sudo/userpw ... or it's some option in the expert install |
| 10:20.19 | SynrG | how odd. there seems to be an inverse relationship between the number of messages i dump from my massive imap folder collection in icedove by changing the retention policies from infinite to 30 days, then compact each folder ... and the number of messages icedove subsequently claims (in Activity Manager) to be indexing. i started at 70,000+ messages, and now it is indexing 110,000+ messages |
| 10:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, sudo |
| 10:20.20 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 10:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, maybe you just got a lot of email :) |
| 10:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... between tries |
| 10:21.36 | SynrG | i have easily eliminated at least 40,000 messages. does the indexer now have 40,000 more messages to consider because it wants to *remove* them from the index because the status changed, i wonder? |
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| 10:22.03 | SynrG | CutMeOwnThroat: highly unlikely. i doubt if the logs will support your theory :) |
| 10:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe it was Intelligent Design, then |
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| 10:22.49 | SynrG | wow. really going for the Ad Hoc Hypothesis hall of fame today |
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| 10:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, I use evolution |
| 10:24.28 | SynrG | Indexing 3489 of 112245 messages (3% complete) <- icedove on my netbook. ouch. |
| 10:24.35 | Lotsey | The error: debconf: (Can't locate Term/ReadLine.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Term::ReadLine module) - can be helped with installation of the package libreadline5 and/or libterm-readline-gnu-perl ? Because readline-common is already installed |
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| 10:25.00 | SynrG | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm. i did for some years, back in prehistory ... |
| 10:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean evolution, the email client... it doesn't have retention times |
| 10:25.12 | SynrG | well, that's a minus |
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| 10:25.22 | Lotsey | SynrG, 110k messages with a netbook? must be a good one. quite new, eh? =) |
| 10:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it was a good long lead-up for a punb |
| 10:25.50 | SynrG | circa 2010. and the issue has been getting worse and worse as i add more email accounts to the configuration |
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| 10:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't say I am thrilled by evolution either... |
| 10:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but switching will be a pain |
| 10:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm not sure icedove will be better either... |
| 10:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | other choice seems to be mutt |
| 10:28.00 | hassoon | do you guys think clamav is effective against windows viruses assuming its DB is up to date? |
| 10:28.02 | babilen | notmuch! |
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| 10:28.23 | SynrG | mhm. i just am struggling to achieve some sort of balance in my pack-rattish tendencies and reality. i like being able to use icedove's index/search. i don't appreciate the resources it chews. but i don't relish the thought of switching to something else. so i had hoped that by doing a sweep across my folders and make smart decisions about what to retain, i could chisel down the big heap of emails to something manageable |
| 10:28.39 | SynrG | babilen: yes, i know about notmuch. i'm just not convinced it would meet my needs |
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| 10:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, notmuch |
| 10:29.00 | dpkg | notmuch is, like, a tag based email system with emacs and vim front-ends, which stores tags in xapian. http://notmuchmail.org/ #notmuch on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | emacs or vim front-end |
| 10:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 10:29.20 | SynrG | indeed |
| 10:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've nothing against either |
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| 10:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... as an editor (or operating system, as may be) |
| 10:30.19 | SynrG | it seems that your mail solutions tend to be in two categories: "hair shirt" or "full body armor" |
| 10:30.26 | SynrG | and i'm not happy with either :( |
| 10:30.36 | jelly | I've heard TB is a lot better on windows than on linux |
| 10:31.00 | jelly | can't be bothered to vrfy that statement |
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| 10:32.30 | SynrG | i think having gmail since nearly the beginning of gmail's existence, and having tens of thousands of messages there, with gmail's default 'retain everything' policy, does not help my cause |
| 10:33.03 | SynrG | (oh, and many of those are image-rich, as i use this for non-debian-mailing-list stuff, where people have no concept about good emailing practices) |
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| 10:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hassoon, is there an alternative under linux? |
| 10:34.21 | babilen | SynrG: Takea look at alot if you don't like to use the emacs or vim mode. And yes, image rich mails will cause unhappiness |
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| 10:34.59 | artisan_pickle | someone always has to badmouth clam and then we get into why linux doesn't need a/v anyway, blah blah |
| 10:35.02 | SynrG | well, alot is another "hair shirt" solution, looks like |
| 10:35.08 | babilen | But then I have around 80.000 mails in my db (and growing) and notmuch handles that well, It is, after all, not much mail. |
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| 10:35.21 | SynrG | trouble is, i do *have* to deal with image-heavy emails, otherwise i'm missing a lot |
| 10:35.33 | babilen | ack |
| 10:35.41 | SynrG | so, aside from the performance aspect, i'm happy with my icedove choice |
| 10:35.50 | SynrG | now i'm just working on optimizing my user experience there. |
| 10:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hassoon, it'll be windows machines accessing shares on the linux box anyway... and they should have their own real-time virus scanner anyway... I guess (I sometimes feel there is little difference under windows between virus scanners and viruses regarding resource-drain). Can't hurt to additionally run clamav periodically on the debian box, though |
| 10:36.06 | SynrG | and i'm just stumped at how the Indexing stats seem to indicate it's moving in the wrong direction |
| 10:36.29 | SynrG | but maybe after this big sweep, if i let this indexing run finish, if it will be better afterwards. |
| 10:36.30 | Posterdati | ho |
| 10:36.38 | SynrG | here's hoping |
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| 10:36.49 | Mohamed_DZ | I have a file downloaded with aria2 but didn't completed, how can I resume without URL? |
| 10:36.52 | g00se | Me too. Gmail is useful in that it allows unlimited storage. Of course the 'up yours' answer to spying would be to encrypt everything on gmail |
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| 10:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, are the emails attached or is that html linking to outside when you speak of "image-rich" |
| 10:37.10 | hassoon | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i deal with with flash drives filled of files that come from a windows machine always |
| 10:37.19 | Posterdati | I'm running debian jessie on GeForce GT 730, I've got strange patterns on the screen in the lower part near the kde panel... like parts of different windows overlapping each other |
| 10:37.19 | hassoon | so i don't want to get infected nor infect others |
| 10:37.47 | SynrG | CutMeOwnThroat: attached. and then people reply, top-posting, and including all the same images attached in their replies ... |
| 10:38.11 | SynrG | lather, rinse, repeat, until each image-rich thread comes to an end |
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| 10:39.14 | SynrG | CutMeOwnThroat: i've accepted that as "cost of doing business" with these people (family, non-tech-savvy local non-profit organizations, etc.) |
| 10:39.49 | SynrG | to some extent, i try to point out the cost across the group and offer them alternatives, but only a few keeners actually hear and act on such advice |
| 10:40.07 | SynrG | so i try not to be too strident with those requests. i don't want to alienate them :) |
| 10:40.37 | g00se | Posterdati: check dmesg for errors |
| 10:40.50 | Posterdati | no error on dmesg |
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| 10:43.04 | Posterdati | ? |
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| 10:46.48 | g00se | finds that giving advice to non-power-users, stuff like "try not to send .doc files, save as ...etc." is pointless. It gets unheeded |
| 10:47.22 | Mohamed_DZ | how to resume downloading file with aria2 without URL? I have a.mp4 & a.mp4.aria2 |
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| 10:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hassoon, can't see any comparison to other commercial/windows AV software either... seems like you could be the first to test it versus a vast amount of other AV software :P |
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| 10:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hassoon, closest seems the wikipedia page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam_AntiVirus#Effectiveness |
| 10:49.06 | g00se | \ison centrx |
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| 10:50.06 | hassoon | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, i red that already :> |
| 10:50.10 | SynrG | g00se: well, the only effective measure is to interpose yourself as an admin & implement technical measures to ensure sanity. e.g. move the non-profit to a mailing list with minimimum post size and agree on some file sharing that you'll all use (google drive or what have you), then *reject* posts exceeding the maximum post size with a polite note to please try again, placing the files in the drive and linking to them |
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| 10:50.37 | SynrG | sorry, but i've gone rather OT, so #debian-offtopic to discuss this any further :) |
| 10:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hassoon, well.. then you should have answered you own question by going to https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php/AV/VirusMonthlyStats |
| 10:51.03 | SynrG | minimum* |
| 10:52.01 | hassoon | CutMeOwnThroat: meh, i'll go with using it for a whule |
| 10:52.02 | hassoon | *while |
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| 10:52.12 | hassoon | Viva l'open-source :> |
| 10:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, we can always use the discussion to update the <email> factoid or maybe <email client> |
| 10:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | email client is something that sucks |
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| 10:52.47 | g00se | must say those figures for Clam seen hard to believe. |
| 10:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... could do that anyway |
| 10:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, email |
| 10:52.51 | dpkg | email is probably the lifeblood of the pornternet, or if you have email problems, 99.9% of the time its your client not the server. |
| 10:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 10:52.56 | g00se | seem* |
| 10:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, why? |
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| 10:53.52 | g00se | I've used it against actual malware and have never know it to detect anything |
| 10:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find them confusing... not hard to believe |
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| 10:56.58 | g00se | Also, i would guess that the malware you're going to get will probably be in the c. %25 of non-detected stuff |
| 10:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | g00se, like in medicine, statistic is more useful than anecdotal evidence? Might be, though, that it's doing bad on timely updates (or you didn't update) |
| 10:57.28 | g00se | Or even 25% of undetected ;) |
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| 10:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... it'll be new stuff that isn't detected |
| 10:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the other scanner don't seem to do better |
| 10:58.00 | g00se | Yes to both |
| 10:58.28 | g00se | What i'd like is a fast API to VirusTotal. Then you'd be talking |
| 10:59.29 | g00se | But it probably wouldn't ever be fast enough for real life cases |
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| 11:01.59 | amicuscuriae | hey guys |
| 11:02.03 | amicuscuriae | I did something bad |
| 11:02.26 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:02.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:02.35 | amicuscuriae | rm -rf ~ |
| 11:02.47 | amicuscuriae | it might have removed somethings |
| 11:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, email is <reply> Electronic mail. Uses <SMTP> for transfer. Client access usually via <imap> or <pop3>. Clients: e.g. <icedove>,<kmail>,<evolution>,<mutt>,<alpine> |
| 11:02.48 | dpkg | ...but email is already something else... |
| 11:02.49 | amicuscuriae | I don't know |
| 11:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, no, email is <reply> Electronic mail. Uses <SMTP> for transfer. Client access usually via <imap> or <pop3>. Clients: e.g. <icedove>,<kmail>,<evolution>,<mutt>,<alpine> |
| 11:02.54 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
| 11:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | SynrG, haha... found the factoid for you... don't you dare argue! |
| 11:03.06 | amicuscuriae | what should i do? |
| 11:03.10 | amicuscuriae | backup? |
| 11:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell SynrG about best email client |
| 11:03.30 | jelly | amicuscuriae: too late for backup. Restore, yes, if you have backups already. |
| 11:03.52 | hycer | amicuscuriae prepare your ISOs for next boot |
| 11:04.01 | g00se | What made you do that? |
| 11:04.03 | jelly | amicuscuriae: did you run that command as root or as normal user? |
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| 11:04.23 | amicuscuriae | jelly, normal user |
| 11:04.36 | amicuscuriae | hycer, it may or may not boot is what you mean? |
| 11:05.13 | g00se | You could try to close down, come back with a rescue and do undelete |
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| 11:05.32 | amicuscuriae | g00se, what command? |
| 11:05.36 | amicuscuriae | I would try it right now |
| 11:05.41 | amicuscuriae | it might come back |
| 11:05.43 | amicuscuriae | please tell me |
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| 11:06.08 | g00se | !extundelete |
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| 11:08.47 | g00se | But you must close down that box asap |
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| 11:10.13 | amicuscuriae | g00se, omg Documents and Downloads are all gone :/ |
| 11:10.16 | amicuscuriae | What would I do now |
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| 11:10.35 | g00se | Close it down right away |
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| 11:12.17 | amicuscuriae | g00se, should I just reinstall the Debian by getting w/e backups I can right now |
| 11:12.19 | amicuscuriae | on a HDD? |
| 11:12.28 | amicuscuriae | I have not so old backups with me for other stuff |
| 11:12.32 | amicuscuriae | I just need the pics |
| 11:12.46 | amicuscuriae | since Documents and Downloads is gone I am not sure |
| 11:13.17 | amicuscuriae | How are you even able to read tis? |
| 11:13.21 | amicuscuriae | tor browser is gone |
| 11:13.22 | amicuscuriae | lol |
| 11:13.23 | amicuscuriae | :) |
| 11:13.25 | amicuscuriae | it was in Downloads |
| 11:14.30 | g00se | You're beginning to confuse me |
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| 11:15.47 | amicuscuriae | g00se, what i am on a laptop right now |
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| 11:15.54 | amicuscuriae | I think I would get the back disk right now |
| 11:16.06 | amicuscuriae | and back up all the data w/e is left and get the work done |
| 11:16.19 | amicuscuriae | since a lot of data is probably gone by now |
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| 11:17.11 | duser8 | how to set password when using KRDC via a link? e.g. krdc 192.168.56.100 --password 123 ? |
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| 11:19.01 | oshogun | Greetings. |
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| 11:21.20 | Lotsey | duser8, try "krdc --help" |
| 11:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | amicuscuriae, what type of filesystem is it |
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| 11:23.01 | jelly | amicuscuriae: if you do not have backups and you have worthwhile data, the important thing to do is power off the machine immediately, as soon as possible, then boot a liveimage and make a copy of disk or partition for forensic analysis and data recovery. The idea is to limit writing as much as possible |
| 11:23.28 | jelly | amicuscuriae: that means unplugging the battery and power |
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| 11:24.29 | jelly | amicuscuriae: but you said you had backups. |
| 11:26.03 | g00se | www.sysresccd.org if you need it. Has extundelete 0.2.4 |
| 11:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | amicuscuriae, also, is that a harddisk or an ssd |
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| 11:34.14 | muns | hi all |
| 11:34.23 | muns | I'm trying to compile an app with boost linked in a static way but I get problems, I've also the dynamic libraries and in fact it is linking to them. I've tried both with: LIBS += -Wl,-Bstatic -lboost_system -lboost_filesystem -lboost_date_time -Wl,-Bdynamic and with LIBS += -Wl,--whole-archive -lboost_system -lboost_filesystem -lboost_date_time -Wl,--no-whole-archive but without success. Any hints? |
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| 11:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | muns, you'd not link with -l, but against the static .a files, yesno? Like e.g. that one: libboost-system1.49-dev: /usr/lib/libboost_system.a |
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| 11:49.22 | duser8 | hi. when trying to boot an usb flash drive with kvm: kvm /dev/sdc -m 2000 I get error: |
| 11:49.31 | duser8 | No protocol specified |
| 11:49.31 | duser8 | Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting |
| 11:49.41 | duser8 | what is this? |
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| 12:05.19 | veek | anyone good with udev |
| 12:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, anyone using udev? |
| 12:07.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses udev, not even the people who use it. |
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| 12:11.14 | veek | CutMeOwnThroat, bleah it's default in jessie |
| 12:11.23 | veek | and it's quite good |
| 12:11.30 | veek | just the docs need some work |
| 12:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | veek, if you ask, likely you may not get an answer if it's too specific to udev. If you don't ask, it's a certainty that you won't get an answer. That's what the factoid is trying to tell you in a tongue-in-cheek way. |
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| 12:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's probably a more udev-focused channel than #debian, too |
| 12:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, udev |
| 12:12.54 | dpkg | udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, the Linux kernel's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Ask me about <udev mac>, <blacklist.conf>. See also <udev rules>, <udev squeeze>, <udev details>, <dpin>, <devtmpfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev #udev on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, there's #udev, even |
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| 12:43.09 | dami0 | hi |
| 12:43.28 | dami0 | i accidentally selected no instead of yes during a config overwrite prompt. is there any way to redo this? |
| 12:44.13 | dami0 | or pull that specific file in from the packagde? |
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| 12:50.30 | g00se | Try dkg-reconfigure foo and reverse it |
| 12:50.30 | meseira | dami0: maybe dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:50.54 | meseira | g00se is to fast :-) |
| 12:51.06 | g00se | (but makes typos ;)) |
| 12:51.11 | dami0 | thank you. second order of business, how do i find out which package owns a file? :P |
| 12:51.28 | g00se | What's the file? |
| 12:51.36 | g00se | !apt-file |
| 12:51.36 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 12:51.44 | dami0 | it's "version.md5" |
| 12:51.49 | dami0 | i figure that's something worth overwriting |
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| 12:53.18 | g00se | What, you feel like overwriting it and you want to know what package it's in? ;) |
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| 12:53.32 | vev_ | je cherche une boite mail libre et non inquisitrice |
| 12:53.39 | dami0 | no, i clicked no when it asked to overwrite during an update |
| 12:54.15 | g00se | centrx: fyi my attempt to dist-upgrade without systemd to jessie resulted in a mega bork ;) |
| 12:54.34 | centrx | What happened? |
| 12:54.37 | Tools | vev_, parlais Anglais s.v.p. |
| 12:54.37 | dami0 | systemd *grumble* *grumble* XD |
| 12:55.03 | g00se | Well i suppose it didn't help that i did it over ssh without nohup - but even so ... |
| 12:55.05 | vev_ | is anyone knows a mail box libre and non inquisite? qqun connait une boite mail libre et non inquisitrice? |
| 12:55.23 | nkuttler | vev_: what do you mean by mailbox? |
| 12:55.24 | somiaj | g00se: did you read the release note and set up the pinning correctly? |
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| 12:55.31 | centrx | !fr |
| 12:55.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 12:55.58 | vev_ | nkuttler: a mail adress |
| 12:56.05 | g00se | Yes. Completely clusterf'd networking and login. I ended up with systemd-logind - should i have? |
| 12:56.16 | somiaj | g00se: yes you still need logind |
| 12:56.20 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 12:56.21 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 12:56.30 | centrx | my system works without logind |
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| 12:56.38 | somiaj | g00se: though i guess you need systemd-shim (as that provides logind) |
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| 12:57.07 | g00se | somiaj: that's not actually mentioned in the notes iirc - just the pinning thing |
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| 12:57.22 | themill | "that" being what? |
| 12:57.30 | g00se | shim |
| 12:57.31 | somiaj | g00se: that is the advise if you haev jessie installed and what to remove systemd, note it points to the release notes about the pinning advise for the upgrade. |
| 12:57.51 | g00se | Ah no. I was wheezy->jessie |
| 12:58.29 | nkuttler | vev_: that's not related to debian.. try.. one of the social channels? or you could just host your own.. |
| 12:58.46 | vev_ | nkuttler: merci |
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| 12:59.54 | g00se | I'll never try that again. Maybe jessie fresh install then removal. Or can sysvinit be specified in expert install? |
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| 13:01.13 | somiaj | g00se: if you use the installer you will have to remove systemd after the fact, though you can do that after a minimial base system is installed and before you install the rest of your software. |
| 13:01.33 | themill | (the instructions in the release notes are also well tested and work reliably) |
| 13:01.43 | somiaj | g00se: I would assume the pinning method works for the wheezy->jessie upgrade, but you just have to be careful during any dist-upgrade as even though it is well tested, it cna't hit every use case. |
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| 13:05.02 | g00se | somiaj: That wouldn't be a problem. I do a minimum always and install pacakges later |
| 13:05.32 | g00se | I had a plain xfce desktop so it shouldn't have been too challenging |
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| 13:08.56 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to install both "linux-image-amd64/stable" and "linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports"? |
| 13:09.14 | JyZyXEL | so that you always have both the latest stable kernel and the lastest backported kernel |
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| 13:09.37 | jelly | g00se: sysvinit can be specified as a preseed boot parameter. http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
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| 13:10.24 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: yes, actually if you take a jessie image and install the jessie-backports kernel that is exactly what you get. kernels don't get automatically removed |
| 13:10.34 | themill | JyZyXEL: you can only have one version of any package installed |
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| 13:11.01 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: if you install the jessie-backports metapackage and as time goes on you'll end up having multiple kernels of each version, so 3.16, 4.1, 4.2, and so on as backports gives you more kernels. |
| 13:11.15 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: (and I"m talking about teh actual kernels (not the metapackage which as themill said has to be of a single version) |
| 13:11.30 | JyZyXEL | what is the name of that metapackage? |
| 13:11.36 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: the package you listed |
| 13:11.44 | JyZyXEL | i cannot have both versions at the same time |
| 13:11.52 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: linux-image-amd64 is a meta package that points at the current kernel |
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| 13:12.16 | JyZyXEL | yeah, optimally i'd like to have both the current stable and the current backport |
| 13:12.21 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: the actual kernels are linxu-image-amd64-version, and you can have these in. I have both the 3.16 stable and 4.1 jessie-backports there. |
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| 13:13.12 | JyZyXEL | the reason of course is that apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade the backported kernel |
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| 13:13.34 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: i.e. installing linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports will upgrade the meta-package and pull in the actual jessie-backports kernel. It won't remove the 3.16 kernel you already have installed |
| 13:13.34 | JyZyXEL | unless you install "linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports" |
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| 13:13.57 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: will my 3.16 receive upgrades after that? |
| 13:14.20 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: yes it will, since the actual kernel is what gets the security fixes (as opposed to a newer kernel being brought in) |
| 13:14.52 | JyZyXEL | hmm, sounds like worth trying |
| 13:15.45 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: it is how it works. I have my jessie system setup like that (I always keep the 3.16 kernel around as a backup) |
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| 13:16.10 | JyZyXEL | yeah, exactly |
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| 13:17.42 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: currently the stable is 'linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64', but what if they increment it to: "linux-image-3.16.0-5-amd64" for example? |
| 13:18.11 | JyZyXEL | wouldn't that leave you with the older version after apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:18.40 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: They shoudln't do that because stable is frozen and they should be applying security support to linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
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| 13:19.12 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: but another point release might bump it up still? |
| 13:20.11 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: no point releases just include the security/bug fixes in the main release, not positive on this, but I haven't seen it change. |
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| 13:21.19 | JyZyXEL | oh well, it's only for backup use anyways |
| 13:22.08 | themill | I don't remember when the kernel ABI last actually changed inside a stable release. It can happen but it's not exactly often |
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| 13:22.55 | JyZyXEL | i guess i'll just have to remember next time i do 'dist-upgrade' to check for kernel verions afterwards |
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| 13:53.40 | cmacis | Hi room. I'm having some lag issues with a bluetooth keyboard/touchpad. I'm running Debian 8.2, with KDE. The keyboard/adapter work fine, I just tested them on a win laptop. My seperate bluetooth mouse works fine, no lag. I tried googling/duckduckgo-ing this issue and mostly got results for installing the bluetooth drivers in the first place, or solutions for mac. Any help would be appreciated |
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| 14:00.14 | qqww | Hello |
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| 14:00.36 | qqww | Will Mate or xfce be lighter on resources on a pentium 4 with 512 mb of RAM? |
| 14:01.01 | bazhang | mate is the gnome2 one? |
| 14:02.06 | bazhang | I'd be surprised if you could run anytning other than lxde on that sparse amount of ram |
| 14:02.08 | qqww | bazhang: Yes, mate is based off gnome |
| 14:02.29 | qqww | bazhang: Ok, which one is lighter then_ |
| 14:02.34 | qqww | _ |
| 14:02.38 | qqww | ? |
| 14:02.40 | bazhang | lxde |
| 14:03.03 | SynrG | "light" is a non-category |
| 14:03.05 | bazhang | xfce4 might run, but it would be terribly slow |
| 14:03.17 | DustyDin1o | my docker daemon is broken in debian testing |
| 14:03.19 | qqww | Between xfce and mate... |
| 14:03.30 | DustyDin1o | the kernel doesn't have aufs support, 4.1.0-2-amd64 |
| 14:03.36 | DustyDin1o | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 14:03.39 | bazhang | neither would mean a thing on that little amount of ram |
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| 14:03.49 | SynrG | if your question is "which one of these will perform better on a system with a graphics chipset that can't handle composition", the answer is "gnome-fallback", obviously ;) |
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| 14:04.25 | qqww | Ok, forget about those specs. Which one would be lighter on resources? |
| 14:04.37 | SynrG | resources is also a non-category |
| 14:04.41 | bazhang | I think firefox/the debian equivalent is out of the question |
| 14:04.49 | SynrG | gasoline? alcohol? sunshine? |
| 14:05.33 | cheako | w3m? |
| 14:05.34 | SynrG | but specifically, 512M ram is too limiting for a modern desktop of any kind. |
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| 14:05.50 | SynrG | and what will kill you there is *not* the desktop itself. it's probably your web browser |
| 14:05.52 | bazhang | debian server? |
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| 14:06.25 | bazhang | ,v links |
| 14:06.26 | judd | Package: links on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.3~pre1-1+squeeze2; squeeze: 2.3~pre1-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.7-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8-2+b3; sid: 2.11-1; stretch: 2.11-1; experimental: 2.11.1-1 |
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| 14:06.46 | SynrG | qqww: with that class of hardware, consider using it solely as a thin client |
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| 14:07.10 | SynrG | run your desktop on a server with adequate ram, and use VNC to connect to it |
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| 14:07.42 | SynrG | (or take your pick of better / more efficient remote desktop protocols ... but i haven't found a single one of them that wasn't a bloody pain to set up) |
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| 14:08.08 | qqww | Ok thanks. |
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| 14:10.45 | bazhang | np |
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| 14:23.39 | jarlopez | I'm installing IntelliJ on my new Debian machine. Is /opt/idea a "correct" location for the extracted binaries? |
| 14:24.04 | bazhang | ,v intellij |
| 14:24.04 | judd | No package named 'intellij' was found in amd64. |
| 14:24.09 | bazhang | is that an ide |
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| 14:24.43 | jarlopez | bazhang: Yep. judd: I've downloaded a tarball and trying to figure out where the best location for it is |
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| 14:24.59 | ChrisH | jarlopez: /opt is a good place to install such things. |
| 14:25.03 | bazhang | why not use a repo sourced ide |
| 14:25.04 | somiaj | jarlopez: dpkg won't put things in /opt from debian packages, you can also use /usr/local, both are fine places to put local source (or binary) installs not from debian packges |
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| 14:26.00 | somiaj | jarlopez: offical debian packages should leave /opt and /usr/local alone. One advantage of /usr/local over /opt is the paths are already set up for debian machines (such as /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib for libary linking) |
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| 14:26.45 | jarlopez | ChrisH. somiaj: Great, thanks for the answers |
| 14:27.01 | bazhang | ,v geany |
| 14:27.02 | judd | Package: geany on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.19.1-1; squeeze-backports: 0.21.dfsg-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.22+dfsg-2; wheezy-backports: 1.24.1+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.24.1+dfsg-1; sid: 1.25+dfsg-1; stretch: 1.25+dfsg-1 |
| 14:27.03 | veek | ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd[a-z]", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{ro}=="0", ATTR{removable}=="1", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", DRIVERS=="usb-storage", RUN+="/bin/mount %p%k%n /my/usb" how do i debug this or make a dynamic mount point |
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| 14:27.44 | somiaj | veek: any reason you don't want to just install an automounter that already does this (like most desktops do) |
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| 14:28.11 | somiaj | veek: the other thing is look at what they do, they seem to put things in /media/disk-label as the default |
| 14:28.41 | somiaj | veek: there is also a very simiple automounter in the debian repos that just puts things at /media/usb0, /media/usb1 and so forth. |
| 14:29.12 | somiaj | veek: https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount |
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| 14:30.21 | veek | somiaj, well i use olvwm and i tried autofs and was having problems there and everyone said try udev |
| 14:30.35 | veek | ah lemme check usbmount |
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| 14:32.25 | somiaj | veek: yea autofs seems to be a bit outdated, usbmount is what the wiki suggested over autofs (note they all use udev, it just has been setup already and you don'thave to make custom rules) |
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| 14:33.42 | TheLemonMan | veek, there's also https://github.com/LemonBoy/ldm :) |
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| 14:36.01 | veek | somiaj, ah here's the thing.. usbmount does "usb0 usb1" i wanted SanDisk_Cruizer_16GB_someSerial; also nautilus to start up would be nice |
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| 14:36.45 | veek | TheLemonMan, heh |
| 14:36.47 | veek | nice |
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| 14:42.29 | thenewone | Hi guys |
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| 14:47.54 | jelly | ohai |
| 14:47.57 | somiaj | veek: yea my suggestion was to more look at what those apps do and modify them to your liking. (: |
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| 14:49.19 | jasonfr | What is the package name for qt's uitools in debian testing? I compiled some software from source but it has the error - https://paste.debian.net/312739/ |
| 14:49.59 | bazhang | ,v qtcreator |
| 14:50.00 | judd | Package: qtcreator on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-3; wheezy: 2.5.0-2; wheezy-backports: 3.2.1+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1+dfsg-7; stretch: 3.4.1+dfsg-2+b1; sid: 3.4.1+dfsg-2+b1; experimental: 3.5.0+dfsg-1 |
| 14:50.08 | jasonfr | Search the packages it shows as https://paste.debian.net/312741/ |
| 14:50.29 | jasonfr | Installing the last two packages, but it still complains the same error message. |
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| 14:59.24 | g00se | Grrrr. I'm *still* getting password prompts on sudo, despite sudoers looking fine: http://sprunge.us/DCRY Could someone PLEASE tell me why? |
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| 15:00.33 | g00se | kscreen just contains the following: killall xscreensaver. sudo as it's not my screensaver |
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| 15:01.14 | Lunara | Hi |
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| 15:02.41 | valdyn | g00se: if this list of commands a user is allowed to run is supposed to be a security mechanism, then it failed |
| 15:02.43 | Lunara | Is the following a good partition scheme: /boot/efi (512 MiB) / (100 GiB) /home (rest of my space) |
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| 15:04.02 | g00se | valdyn: i'm not with you. I know that it's failing, as it's prompting for a password |
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| 15:04.32 | Lunara | ... |
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| 15:04.53 | jordanm | Lunara: for a workstation, yeah |
| 15:04.59 | valdyn | Lunara: we dont know how your system is going to be used |
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| 15:05.17 | valdyn | Lunara: if you are not serving a db or files from /, then 100GB is on the high side |
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| 15:05.42 | valdyn | Lunara: but then again you probably have plenty space... |
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| 15:05.58 | Lunara | and what FS can you recommend me for / and /home ? |
| 15:05.58 | Lunara | XFS or ext4 ? |
| 15:05.58 | Lunara | It's for my laptop |
| 15:06.08 | valdyn | Lunara: ext4 |
| 15:06.15 | Lunara | I plan to use QEMU/KVM machines with my laptop |
| 15:06.22 | Lunara | and do some office work |
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| 15:06.39 | valdyn | Lunara: where are the machines stored? |
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| 15:07.14 | jelly | Lunara: start with something like 20GB for / and 20GB for /home, then expand as needed. If you choose to go with LVM it's easy to grow logical volumes and filesystems on the fly |
| 15:07.32 | Lunara | some machines are stored in my own directory, but I create some testing machines for myself, not big, they're not stored in my own directory |
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| 15:08.12 | jelly | consider using a separate mountpoint for those then, something like /srv/kvm |
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| 15:09.24 | g00se | Could it be something to do with being logged in via ssh? |
| 15:09.26 | Lunara | like this? / (20 GiB) /kvm (100 GiB) /home (???) |
| 15:09.47 | valdyn | Lunara: just use lvm and you can grow later |
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| 15:10.03 | Lunara | I never used LVM before :( |
| 15:10.05 | valdyn | Lunara: but this is probably a good starting point |
| 15:10.21 | JyZyXEL | i used to use a LVM LV for Qemu, but now i just use a sparse qcow2 file |
| 15:10.26 | jhutchins | What advantage do separate partitions give you in this scenario? |
| 15:11.01 | Lunara | In case of a system failure, like needing a reinstallation and only formatting / then |
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| 15:13.39 | Lunara | valdyn: ext4 for every partition? |
| 15:13.48 | valdyn | Lunara: yes |
| 15:13.48 | Lunara | What are the differences betwen XFS and ext4? |
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| 15:14.10 | valdyn | Lunara: xfs is optimised and made for decent worst case performance |
| 15:14.40 | Lunara | Okay, so ext4 have a better performance? |
| 15:14.43 | module000 | Lunara: xfs also supports lvm by default(without mount options), online defrag, and some other niche items |
| 15:14.45 | valdyn | Lunara: ext4 is made for average high speed and compatibility |
| 15:15.10 | module000 | Lunara: and performance is *very* subjective to your workload. ext4 and XFS may outperform each other on the same benchmarks depending on the file size used in the benchmarks(xfs will usually win with [very] large files) |
| 15:15.20 | jelly | no mount options are needed for ext4 on lvm, either |
| 15:15.24 | valdyn | Lunara: filesystem speed is very workload dependendent and quite irrelevant to you |
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| 15:15.34 | module000 | jelly: brainfart, i meant to say "acl", not lvm |
| 15:15.51 | module000 | jelly: ie no acl mount option needed for xfs, it's on by default |
| 15:16.05 | JyZyXEL | i thought acls work on ext4 by default as well? |
| 15:16.06 | Lunara | So it's better to go with ext4 for my needs, right? |
| 15:16.20 | valdyn | Lunara: "modern" filesystems are in fact slower than both of these |
| 15:16.22 | module000 | Lunara: usually yes, but if it's important - test then both with you rworkflow |
| 15:16.25 | JyZyXEL | ext4 is the default, it's good unless you have a reason why not? |
| 15:16.28 | jelly | Lunara: if you don't know any better, use ext4 |
| 15:16.47 | Lunara | Okay, i'll use ext4 then |
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| 15:17.46 | Lunara | LVM with 4 partitions (/boot/efi, /, /kvm, /home) and ext4 then. Thank you. |
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| 15:17.57 | valdyn | Lunara: umm no |
| 15:18.01 | Lunara | No? |
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| 15:18.15 | valdyn | Lunara: your efi partition neeeds to be vfat as far as i know |
| 15:18.19 | Lunara | I'm not really familar with filesystems etc, excuse me :( |
| 15:18.28 | Lunara | Oh yes, right |
| 15:18.42 | valdyn | Lunara: i dont know anything about efi really, but i very much doubt it can read lvm, so it needs to be a regular partition |
| 15:18.51 | JyZyXEL | your /boot/efi can not be on a LVM |
| 15:19.02 | valdyn | or just dont use efi |
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| 15:19.06 | JyZyXEL | it needs to be a GPT vfat partition |
| 15:19.08 | Lunara | Okay, leave /boot/efi outside my LVM, and rest inside my LVM? |
| 15:19.42 | Lunara | valdyn: I can't disable efi in my laptop :( |
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| 15:20.13 | jelly | and maybe a separate /boot outside of LVM to enable use of some bootloader other than grub-pc-efi that might not support lvm |
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| 15:20.34 | valdyn | why would you want to use another boot loader? |
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| 15:20.48 | jelly | valdyn: I like to have options. |
| 15:21.01 | JyZyXEL | it's simpler to leave /boot outside of LVM, so you don't need to use grub's LVM module |
| 15:21.29 | Lunara | Okay, then /boot/efi and /boot (both 512 MiB in size) without LVM, and my other normal partitions in LVM? |
| 15:21.47 | valdyn | i havent used /boot or non-lvm partitions for a few years. I dont know about any problems with that. |
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| 15:22.23 | Lunara | I'm confused :( |
| 15:22.34 | JyZyXEL | these days its also common to use LUKS, so a separate /boot is nice with that as well |
| 15:22.35 | jelly | grub2 is rather bloated as far as boot loaders go, but it's quite possible there's no other sane option for UEFI x86 systems |
| 15:22.56 | jelly | JyZyXEL: oh yeah, that was another reason for me. |
| 15:23.06 | valdyn | Lunara: they are giving you methods to be more flexible, but thats quite irrelevant to you. Of course you have the option to properly evaluate (google) those choices |
| 15:23.44 | Lunara | Yes, i could Google it, but asking the source were the best option for me ... |
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| 15:23.59 | valdyn | Lunara: theres no best |
| 15:24.08 | Lunara | maybe |
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| 15:24.11 | JyZyXEL | Lunara: figuring out The Best option takes A LOT of effort... trust me... |
| 15:24.11 | valdyn | Lunara: the more flexible you need to be, the more complex it gets |
| 15:24.57 | jelly | Lunara: how large is your ssd and how many VMs do you plan to run? |
| 15:25.11 | Lunara | I also heard something about Btrfs, with subvolumes etc. Could this a be solution too? |
| 15:25.22 | Lunara | be a |
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| 15:25.45 | jordanm | lvm is a more stable solution. btrfs is still pretty new as far as filesystems go |
| 15:25.48 | valdyn | Lunara: btrfs is ok, but its *also* complex. You're not going to be happy with it without alot of reading. |
| 15:25.49 | JyZyXEL | using file backed storage for VM's can help with the storage space allocation problem |
| 15:26.07 | valdyn | Lunara: for example: On standard btrfs settings your VMs wont work. |
| 15:26.25 | Lunara | JyZyXEL: I alwasy backup my data |
| 15:26.47 | DrDamnit | I want to be able to install Debian remotely over SSH. I already did this with Clonezilla by remasteriing the ISO to start the tinc and ssh services (https://github.com/DrDamnit/ClonezillaRemoteRestore). Could I do this with the current live ISO of debian Jessie? |
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| 15:27.33 | Lunara | Okay, i go with LVM/ext3 then |
| 15:27.40 | Lunara | I meant ext4 |
| 15:28.01 | JyZyXEL | might want to add some swap in there as well |
| 15:28.23 | Lunara | with 8 GB RAM, is 4 GB swap enough? |
| 15:28.28 | markybob | i'd just go with guided partitioning and be done :P |
| 15:28.29 | valdyn | yes |
| 15:28.39 | JyZyXEL | well, swap is sometimes used for hibernation as well |
| 15:28.57 | JyZyXEL | so if you wanna hibernate to swap, then you would need at least 8 GiB |
| 15:29.04 | valdyn | no |
| 15:29.04 | Lunara | I always create a swap partition with 50% size of the real RAM |
| 15:29.47 | valdyn | Lunara: at 8GB swap your suspend to disk will always have enough room, guaranteed |
| 15:29.50 | TheLemonMan | 50% ? you need that to be ram_size * 1.01 |
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| 15:30.06 | valdyn | Lunara: at 4 it will probably be 99% where its enough, of course depending on your workload |
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| 15:30.32 | jelly | TheLemonMan: compression! |
| 15:30.50 | Lunara | TheLemonMan: What did you mean? |
| 15:30.54 | JyZyXEL | buffers and cache are probably also flushed before taking the memory image? |
| 15:31.03 | JyZyXEL | so that might save a lot of space |
| 15:31.04 | jelly | and also most buffers/cache are not part of the hibernation image |
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| 15:31.21 | jelly | (unless tux-on-ice) |
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| 15:32.35 | TheLemonMan | heh I was taking a cheap shot at the anectodal suggestions that have been floating around since forever :) |
| 15:33.16 | TheLemonMan | if you want a serious answer, you need more or less $(cat /sys/power/image_size) bytes |
| 15:33.17 | SynrG | ah. i had wondered. 0.01 fudge factor sounded suspiciously like voodoo |
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| 15:34.10 | TheLemonMan | SynrG, that, or "four times the diameter of your right wrist minus 8" |
| 15:34.38 | SynrG | :) |
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| 15:36.57 | Lunara | Okay, thank you very much all. I wish you a nice day. |
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| 15:43.44 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 15:43.44 | dpkg | <mxldr> how do i get lenny to watch DVD's <mxldr> i just want to watch DVD's. I don't care about free-speachsoftware or the manatees or anything |
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| 15:47.25 | itt788 | how can close open remote sessions which badly ended in debian? |
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| 15:50.25 | g00se | killall ssh? |
| 15:50.58 | g00se | (or not 'all') |
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| 15:51.24 | lesta | Ctrl D |
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| 15:53.35 | asarch | I am trying to: apt-get -y install openjdk-7-jdk but I get: openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-2) but 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1 is installed. |
| 15:53.42 | asarch | What does it mean and can I fix it? |
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| 15:56.36 | jelly | asarch: which debian release are you supposed to be using? |
| 15:56.36 | markybob | asarch, did you apt-get update first? |
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| 15:58.04 | asarch | I did it several times: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:58.16 | asarch | But I'm still getting that error message |
| 15:58.27 | asarch | Debian Stable |
| 15:58.29 | asarch | Jessie |
| 15:58.41 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 15:58.41 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:58.51 | asarch | cat /etc/debian_version: 8.2 |
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| 15:59.03 | jelly | asarch: ^^ follow the above, if you can put the output of all three commands into the same pastebin |
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| 16:00.54 | asarch | http://pastebin.com/FmU11PDS |
| 16:00.55 | asarch | Take a look |
| 16:00.57 | asarch | :-) |
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| 16:03.45 | ChrisH | asarch: Please read once more what you have been asked for. |
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| 16:06.54 | jelly | asarch: okay, now add output of "apt-cache policy openjdk-7-jdk openjdk-7-jre" and also "apt-cache policy" |
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| 16:08.20 | jelly | tweaked that factoid slightly |
| 16:08.24 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:08.25 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. the output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3."apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:19.59 | SolarNRG | I'm trying to install playonlinux but I get this dumb error saying "Depends: python-wxgtk3.0 but it is not installable" |
| 16:20.02 | SolarNRG | any ideas? |
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| 16:22.30 | ChrisH | ,v python-wxgtk3.0 |
| 16:22.31 | judd | Package: python-wxgtk3.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.1.1+dfsg-2; sid: 3.0.2.0+dfsg-1+b1; stretch: 3.0.2.0+dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 16:23.40 | SolarNRG | so what do I do exactly? |
| 16:24.11 | jelly | SolarNRG: which debian release are you using? |
| 16:24.21 | SolarNRG | jesse |
| 16:24.26 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:24.26 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:24.51 | jelly | SolarNRG: ^^ please provide the output of those commands in a pastebin |
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| 16:26.23 | jelly | SolarNRG: if you used dpkg to try installing, use that as first command. as for the second, python-wxgtk3.0 and playonlinux seem relevant here. |
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| 16:27.55 | SolarNRG | I'm sorry you lost me after the complete output of your.... |
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| 16:29.18 | SolarNRG | look I just want unity to run on debian so I can go back to modding stupid ships on ksp |
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| 16:29.27 | SolarNRG | but without having to use windows EVER EVER again |
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| 16:30.45 | jelly | SolarNRG: to be able to correctly identify your install issue and tell you how to fix it, we need _complete_ output of three commands. Put them in a pastebin. |
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| 16:31.24 | SolarNRG | ok tell me the first command to copy paste |
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| 16:31.43 | jelly | SolarNRG: the first is the one you used to try installing the playonlinux thing. |
| 16:31.58 | jelly | show the command, and the full output. |
| 16:32.04 | SolarNRG | sudo apt-get install playonlinux |
| 16:32.19 | jelly | in a pastebin, not here |
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| 16:33.00 | jelly | SolarNRG: and then put output of "apt-cache policy playonlinux python-wxgtk3.0" and also just "apt-cache policy" in the same pastebin. |
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| 16:33.14 | jelly | is that clearer now? |
| 16:33.24 | SolarNRG | http://pastebin.com/1yqikn5T |
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| 16:34.33 | jelly | SolarNRG: I find your hostname offensive, your pastebin incomplete, and will proceed with booting you off the channel without help. :-) |
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| 16:41.39 | rgr | but being american you allow freespeech no matter how disgusting..... |
| 16:42.03 | bazhang | !xkcd |
| 16:42.03 | dpkg | i heard xkcd is at http://www.xkcd.com |
| 16:42.29 | jelly | xkcd://1357 probably |
| 16:42.40 | bazhang | free soeech factoid? |
| 16:42.53 | jelly | showing you the door one |
| 16:43.00 | bazhang | haha |
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| 16:43.40 | jelly | dpkg: listvals xkcd |
| 16:43.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xkcd' by value (10): try something else ;; women ;; dsa2896 ;; decide ;; locusts ;; dsa1571 jokes ;; xkcd ;; pointing stick ;; infopages ;; butterfly. |
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| 16:44.07 | NoirLess | [maybe offtop] someone used back in time? is it ok for backups, or there are better packets for this in repo? |
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| 16:45.10 | bazhang | ,backintime-gtk |
| 16:45.16 | bazhang | augh |
| 16:45.23 | jelly | !pal bazhang |
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| 16:45.23 | dpkg | points at bazhang and laughs uproariously |
| 16:45.33 | bazhang | :| |
| 16:45.35 | jelly | probably ,v or ,i |
| 16:45.41 | bazhang | yeah |
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| 16:48.18 | gooddesignusa | anyone ever install phpfarm on debian wheezy? I followed some tutorial but it doesn't seem to be working. |
| 16:48.38 | gooddesignusa | phpfarm makes it easier to run multiple versions of php |
| 16:48.41 | jelly | dpkg: listvals oglaf |
| 16:48.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'oglaf' by value returned no results. |
| 16:48.45 | jelly | aww. |
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| 16:50.36 | captSamIngram | I have a debian (6.0.10) server running openssh-server. Somehow the script in `/etc/init.d` is empty. (I'm assuming this is part of why it is not enabled at boot?) I am still able to start the ssh server manually via `$exec /usr/sbin/ssh -D`. |
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| 16:50.53 | captSamIngram | I have tried removing/reinstalling openssh-server but it does not replace the script file `etc/init.d/ssh`. From what I understand, this is a required script for it to start at boot? Could someone help me get this script back? |
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| 16:51.35 | jelly | captSamIngram: the script is a deb package conffile. read /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:51.47 | captSamIngram | read /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:51.47 | droopy | Hi, I made a directory called '~' in my home directory. If I run 'rm -rf ~', will it delete to superfluous directory or will something bad happen? |
| 16:52.09 | captSamIngram | oops |
| 16:52.10 | markybob | why would you do that? |
| 16:52.20 | droopy | It was an accident |
| 16:52.31 | jelly | captSamIngram: or if it's empty but still exists, /msg dpkg confnew |
| 16:53.08 | asarch | jelly, here is: http://pastebin.com/RDK8suXd |
| 16:53.09 | markybob | i don't even know how you do that. i just tried mkdir ~ inside my home dir and i got mkdir: cannot create directory â/home/markybobâ: File exists |
| 16:53.13 | jelly | droopy: ~ will be expanded in your shell to your $HOME before running the command |
| 16:53.23 | jelly | droopy: rmdir ./~ |
| 16:53.32 | droopy | nice |
| 16:53.36 | droopy | ty jelly |
| 16:53.43 | captSamIngram | jelly: great. Thanks a lot! |
| 16:53.49 | jelly | droopy: an absolute /home/droopy/~ would have worked as well |
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| 16:54.17 | jelly | droopy: also: '~' |
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| 16:54.33 | jelly | many ways to escape that cat |
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| 17:02.24 | asarch | I see the problem, somehow the openjdk-7-jre and openjdk-7-jdk packages are not the same version, right? |
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| 17:02.37 | asarch | That's why apt-get complains about it |
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| 17:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is there no factoid giving you the options for a 1:1 backup for rsync to a hard-disk before upgrading? |
| 17:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I wonder... the external disk I used was pre-formatted with ntfs... is that appropriate for a system-copy? |
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| 17:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, maybe not... maybe I better re-format and re-do the whole process |
| 17:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did try a soft-link and that seemed to work with the fuse thing that was used to mount it |
| 17:05.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess booting the copy as a rescue-system might be problematic, though |
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| 17:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | even devices in .../backup/dev seem to be ok, though |
| 17:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... except for giving "permission denied" for root |
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| 17:08.00 | SynrG | naive backup implementations miss important aspects of real world backup problems (unless step 1 is "take the filesystem offline", which is rarely what people are looking for in a backup solution) |
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| 17:08.48 | SynrG | ntfs is definitely not appropriate, since unix attributes are not preserved. |
| 17:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to have a strategy... but for the home-machine that's in shambles for a time |
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| 17:09.00 | SynrG | the only way it might be is if you pop it into a tar container on top of the ntfs |
| 17:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I thought I just make a 1:1 copy of / (which contains everything) and then upgrade wheezy->jessie |
| 17:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... but making it bootable, then testing if I can boot from it if the upgrade runs into problems seems to be easier than burning another CD... which may be inferior anyway |
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| 17:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | just started the copy onto the existing disk before going for a walk with someone... guess I didn't think it through and have to start over |
| 17:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar would be safer in any case, I guess |
| 17:12.15 | SynrG | mhm |
| 17:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm. oh dear for performance |
| 17:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must have been gone for over an hour and only 100G copied |
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| 17:16.03 | Filystyn | Ok what laptop is recommanded to buy so i have no problems with linux (debian) |
| 17:16.22 | Filystyn | drivers etc |
| 17:16.31 | centrx | Filystyn, The main components to check are the graphics card and the wireless card |
| 17:16.44 | centrx | Filystyn, Other than those two components, whatever laptop you get should be smooth sailing |
| 17:16.54 | Filystyn | oki thank you |
| 17:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | really? the last laptop I bought was 10ish years ago.. it had an SD-card reader that never got linux-support |
| 17:17.25 | markybob | Filystyn, unless you have a money i'd probably do this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1ZD3208651&cm_re=lenovo_thinkpad_x220-_-9SIA1ZD3208651-_-Product |
| 17:17.51 | centrx | CutMeOwnThroat, ok sure, and if you had an FM radio receiver might not be supported either |
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| 17:18.07 | centrx | CutMeOwnThroat, but maybe SD cards are more common than I think (common hardware) |
| 17:18.09 | centrx | usage |
| 17:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | centrx, it had a "smart battery" that... apparently had partial support in the kernel... at some point I noticed it's gone |
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| 17:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, it gave energy to the laptop even with less smartness for several hours, so I didn't care... the ability I lost at some time I think was to reading out some values |
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| 17:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Filystyn, from what I heard, the lenovos indeed work well... eeepc laptops should also very likely be ok, as they are shipped with a linux distro (which might be modified with proprietary extra-drivers, though) |
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| 17:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Filystyn, at least https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC (and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models ) seem to provide ample documentation... haven't tried it |
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| 17:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, linux laptop |
| 17:24.38 | dpkg | All ya always wanted to know about linux on laptops is at http://tuxmobil.org or http://linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 17:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | similar things seem to be true for the thinkpads |
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| 17:30.54 | Filystyn | ok guys Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n or 802.11ac + : nVidia® GeForce 920M + Intel HD Graphics 5500 |
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| 17:31.27 | SynrG | sadly, vendors rarely tell you the exact chipset of the wifi. |
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| 17:31.36 | SynrG | so there's no way to know from that description if you'd have problems or not |
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| 17:31.47 | Filystyn | so i need to call the guys ? |
| 17:31.52 | Filystyn | who sell them |
| 17:32.01 | Filystyn | or is there some easier way? |
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| 17:32.04 | SynrG | the average sales droid hasn't a clue either |
| 17:32.28 | Filystyn | ok.. what info im looking for exactly? (i can ask someone who has the laptop) |
| 17:32.33 | SynrG | if it's a popular model, someone, somewhere, has blogged about it |
| 17:32.38 | Filystyn | chipset of wifi y? |
| 17:32.54 | SynrG | yeah. well, lspci -nn | grep -i network |
| 17:33.01 | SynrG | that would do it :) |
| 17:33.28 | Filystyn | ok thank you |
| 17:33.53 | SynrG | as for the specific hybrid chipset, dunno if that's too new for jessie Xorg or not |
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| 17:34.27 | SynrG | sometimes there are problems with *very* new graphics chipsets that are not yet even supported by a backport |
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| 17:35.02 | SynrG | best look at nvidia's documentation to see what driver version has support for it, then compare with the version in debian |
| 17:35.39 | SynrG | assuming you're using the non-free driver (and probably bumblebee-nvidia, to be able to switch it with the intel) ... |
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| 17:35.45 | SynrG | ,v nvidia-kernel-driver |
| 17:35.46 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-kernel-driver' was found in amd64. |
| 17:35.50 | SynrG | er |
| 17:36.02 | SynrG | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 17:36.03 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.76-5~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 340.93-1; stretch/non-free: 340.93-1; experimental/non-free: 352.30-1 |
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| 17:36.21 | SynrG | so jessie has 340.65, and jessie-backports has 340.76 |
| 17:36.42 | SynrG | go to nvidia's website and see which upstream nvidia driver version# has support for the GeForce 920M |
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| 17:38.43 | Filystyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.01 | markybob | Filystyn, that is not wifi |
| 17:39.23 | markybob | Filystyn, however that rj-45 adapter is supported |
| 17:39.44 | Filystyn | sec |
| 17:40.01 | AvatarA | I wonder why it is called ether net, it was very confusing when I first saw this term |
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| 17:40.34 | DominikB | AvatarA, becaiuse it goes over the ether also known as media |
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| 17:41.08 | AvatarA | ya that's what I thought and it translated to wifi in my head |
| 17:41.31 | AvatarA | could have called it wirednet or wirecard or something |
| 17:41.40 | DominikB | that would be ather ;) |
| 17:41.49 | AvatarA | aether? |
| 17:41.52 | DominikB | yeah buts thats how it called |
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| 17:42.02 | DominikB | aether for air ;) |
| 17:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that hybrid-stuff really useful, though? I mean... that's mainly for games, yesno?. It's a laptop... with linux on it. |
| 17:42.50 | jhutchins | The idea was first documented in a memo that Metcalfe wrote on May 22, 1973, where he named it after the disproven luminiferous ether as an "omnipresent, completely-passive medium for the propagation of electromagnetic waves". -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet |
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| 17:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | The God Network!!! |
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| 17:45.25 | AvatarA | aah, magnetism, the great unknown that many people assume is known |
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| 17:48.22 | bastones | Hi. I can't seem to get anything higher than 1280x1024 on my new PC (NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2)). I'd like to avoid the proprietary NVIDIA drivers if possible. I suspect some microcode is required to get nouveau working properly. Are there any package(s) I need to install from the non-free area? |
| 17:48.22 | Filystyn | it finds me the driver and under it is information "what cards" it can work for |
| 17:48.26 | Filystyn | and tehre is no 920M |
| 17:48.32 | Filystyn | terrible site |
| 17:48.36 | Filystyn | and confusing like shit |
| 17:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, nouveau |
| 17:49.04 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:49.09 | asarch | So, basically openjdk-7-jdk is 7u75-2.5.4-2 0 and openjdk-7-jre is 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1 and apt-get -y install openjdk-7-jdk says: openjdk-7-jdk : Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7u75-2.5.4-2) but 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1 is installed. |
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| 17:49.37 | asarch | How can you fix this? Should I remove openjdk-7-jre and the install openjdk-7-jdk? |
| 17:49.50 | asarch | *and then.. |
| 17:50.01 | DominikB | asarch, better do an apt-get update and when its not resolved after that wait till the jdk package get an update |
| 17:50.21 | DominikB | there are some version missmatch on your mirrors |
| 17:50.26 | bastones | I have libgl1-mesa-dri installed already. |
| 17:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openjdk-7-jdk |
| 17:50.38 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jdk on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1; stretch: 7u85-2.6.1-3; sid: 7u85-2.6.1-3 |
| 17:51.10 | asarch | Thank you DominikB |
| 17:51.15 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 17:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 17:51.32 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1; stretch: 7u85-2.6.1-3; sid: 7u85-2.6.1-3 |
| 17:51.37 | DominikB | asarch, but not let you get cought by jelly |
| 17:51.49 | asarch | ? |
| 17:52.27 | markybob | asarch, i told you that like an hour ago. what have you been doing? |
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| 17:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | asarch, jessie-security has 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1 for both... that's the version you should have. |
| 17:54.27 | asarch | Well, I didn't that there were some version missmatch on your mirrors |
| 17:54.35 | asarch | *I didn't know... |
| 17:55.20 | asarch | However, http://pastebin.com/RDK8suXd |
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| 17:56.53 | markybob | asarch, pastebin your soureces.list |
| 17:57.11 | markybob | asarch, and do you have pinned packages? doesn't look like you posted the whole thing |
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| 17:57.25 | markybob | asarch, that's a big deal |
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| 17:58.05 | jelly | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 17:58.06 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u79-2.5.6-1~deb8u1; stretch: 7u85-2.6.1-3; sid: 7u85-2.6.1-3 |
| 17:58.28 | jelly | no security.d.o repo |
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| 17:59.14 | jelly | dpkg, tell asarch about jessie sources.list |
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| 18:02.35 | asarch | So far, this is my source.list: http://pastebin.com/j8DRDHEc |
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| 18:03.18 | markybob | wow that's messed up |
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| 18:03.28 | markybob | you have stable and wheezy |
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| 18:03.33 | markybob | and... and... and... |
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| 18:03.51 | markybob | i'm not touching this one |
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| 18:09.11 | northstar | both of your security updates lines are deb-src. one should be just deb. that's why you're not getting security updates. and all instances of "stable" should be changed to "jessie" to keep things consistent. |
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| 18:09.25 | jelly | asarch: rename that file, and use only those three lines for jessie that dpkg told you, then do an "apt-get update", then try to see "apt-cache policy openjdk-7-jre" |
| 18:11.12 | asarch | Ok |
| 18:11.21 | jelly | then add back third party lines _if_ you need them. |
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| 18:13.57 | droopy | How do I disable apache's mod_auth_basic module? |
| 18:14.40 | markybob | droopy, a2dismod |
| 18:14.41 | asarch | The new source.list: http://pastebin.com/8gyEj7ab |
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| 18:15.26 | droopy | Thanks markybob! |
| 18:15.54 | jelly | asarch: that looks sane |
| 18:16.36 | asarch | Yeah, it is working! |
| 18:16.54 | asarch | I thought stable == jessie |
| 18:17.01 | asarch | ,versions |
| 18:17.02 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 18:17.26 | northstar | it is, until the next stable comes out. then it's stretch. |
| 18:17.55 | markybob | always use codenames. |
| 18:18.17 | asarch | What is the official security repo |
| 18:18.19 | asarch | ? |
| 18:18.40 | markybob | asarch, deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:18.54 | jelly | asarch: you just added it, that's the third line |
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| 18:20.26 | asarch | Thank you |
| 18:20.32 | asarch | Thank you very much guys :-) |
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| 18:21.56 | asarch | This is the final source.list: http://pastebin.com/CHA87D2d |
| 18:22.20 | asarch | backporst, debian multimedia, postgresql, virtualbox and the official release repositories |
| 18:23.25 | jelly | asarch: delete lines 1-19, 31-51 |
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| 18:23.39 | markybob | what he said :P |
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| 18:29.39 | asarch | Clear! http://pastebin.com/wAUkcQ1G |
| 18:30.35 | jelly | fucking pastebin.com ads |
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| 18:31.32 | jelly | asarch: might as well update lines 9-10 to say ## - oldstable: wheezy 7.x ## - stable: jessie 8.x |
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| 18:32.09 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 18:32.09 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 18:32.10 | jhutchins | jelly: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-plus/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog |
| 18:32.26 | markybob | asarch, and remove 54-56 since it's the same as 52 |
| 18:32.40 | jelly | asarch: ^^ now check for "obsolete" packages, see what you got installed from third-party repos |
| 18:33.04 | jelly | !not available |
| 18:33.05 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 18:33.11 | jelly | asarch: ^^ also those |
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| 18:33.52 | jelly | and that's not from me, it's from dpkg bot anyway |
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| 18:34.58 | asarch | Just one: i google-earth-stable - Explore, search and discover the planet |
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| 18:37.53 | fennesz | Hello ! Is there a way I can resize a window by dragging anywhere on it ? I am using Jessie |
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| 18:39.08 | mtn | fennesz, sure, that is how it usually works. maybe on a corner would work best for you? |
| 18:39.53 | fennesz | mtn, would like to do it without finding a corner |
| 18:40.18 | mtn | fennesz, just resize or make it half a screen or....? which desktop are you using, gnome? |
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| 18:40.20 | fennesz | I ve read that you can do it with alt+middle mouse |
| 18:40.32 | fennesz | yes gnome |
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| 18:40.41 | no_gravity | Are there still usages for ext2, ext3 or any other filesystems then ext4 at all? |
| 18:40.45 | mtn | fennesz, any corner works for resizing on my machine using gnome |
| 18:41.03 | mtn | fennesz, or any edge, as far as that goes. might also depend on the application |
| 18:41.36 | jelly | no_gravity: yes. Some things need to be backward compatible _a lot_ |
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| 18:42.38 | fennesz | mtn, yes mine too, but still I would like to make this happen without placing my mouse on a corner.if I press alt+f8 for example the cursor converts to hand. If I move the mouse I can drag the window wherever I want. Is there something else for resizing? |
| 18:42.56 | no_gravity | jelly: i mean for a new disk - when would you format it as something else then ext4? |
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| 18:43.14 | mtn | fennesz, no idea. should be easy to find out by doing a web search |
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| 18:43.21 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 18:43.37 | rysiek|pl | I am writing a script that is supposed to run a command via exec at the end |
| 18:43.39 | markybob | no_gravity, no. ext4. |
| 18:43.49 | rysiek|pl | but this command has to be run by a different user (non-root) |
| 18:44.08 | rysiek|pl | *and* the $PATH has to be preserved, so su is kind of out of the question |
| 18:44.24 | rysiek|pl | any ideas/suggestions? I would rather not use sudo |
| 18:44.28 | pistache | rysiek|pl: su -p ? |
| 18:44.33 | pistache | ah no yes, you want $PATH |
| 18:44.36 | rysiek|pl | aye |
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| 18:45.00 | pistache | ENV_PATH ? |
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| 18:45.06 | rysiek|pl | *if* there is a way to change user in a bash script, then that would also work |
| 18:45.08 | no_gravity | markybob: ext2 might be faster on slow mediums |
| 18:45.20 | rysiek|pl | pistache: that would mean I would have to edit the su conf file, right? |
| 18:45.25 | fennesz | mtn, ok found it . It's alt+f8+direction key for resizing |
| 18:45.28 | rysiek|pl | that's not an envvar AFAIK |
| 18:45.40 | AndChat238601 | Im receiving allot of errors in my terminal, i did some research and found that it is being caused by my wlan device. Error: "rt61pcl 0000.02.01.0: firmware: failed to load rt2561s.bin (-2)". This error is filling up my terminal faster than i can type. What can i do to fix the error? |
| 18:45.43 | markybob | no_gravity, so? safety must considered |
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| 18:45.55 | pistache | yes, not an envvar |
| 18:46.10 | rysiek|pl | aye |
| 18:46.25 | rysiek|pl | I'm sure this has been done |
| 18:46.34 | no_gravity | markybob: how is ext4 more safe? |
| 18:46.34 | pistache | mmh |
| 18:46.43 | pistache | what do you want to do again ? |
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| 18:46.55 | pistache | run a script at the end of your script ? |
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| 18:47.06 | pistache | what is 'exec' in this context ? the shell built-in ? |
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| 18:47.16 | rysiek|pl | yes |
| 18:47.21 | rysiek|pl | and yes |
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| 18:47.27 | markybob | no_gravity, journaling, for one. |
| 18:47.32 | jhutchins | rysiek|pl: Except for running as root, su without a dash will not replace the environment. |
| 18:47.42 | markybob | no_gravity, google it. http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/05/ext2-ext3-ext4/ |
| 18:47.49 | jelly | rysiek|pl: is it just PATH that needs to be preserved? |
| 18:47.53 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: well, it's running as root here |
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| 18:48.17 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: no, it would be good to preserve the rest of the environment too |
| 18:48.17 | jhutchins | rysiek|pl: su <user> will not replace the environment. |
| 18:48.38 | jelly | right |
| 18:48.49 | itaipu | Hello, want to install eabi in an lg 20 smartphone, is there a complete guide to that ? |
| 18:48.50 | no_gravity | is there a way to kill a process in D+ state? |
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| 18:48.59 | jhutchins | This is one of the reasons I hate that hack. Fewer people know how it works now. |
| 18:49.00 | jelly | no_gravity: a reboot |
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| 18:49.14 | jelly | so, no |
| 18:49.22 | no_gravity | jelly: ugly |
| 18:50.06 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: it does replace env: http://wklej.org/id/1801340/ |
| 18:50.07 | jelly | no_gravity: sometimes, if the process is stuck on a FUSE-based filesystem, you can kill or kill -9 that filesystem's backend process |
| 18:50.40 | jelly | no_gravity: but in general, there's no way to convince the kernel to come back from an io syscall when it's already stuck |
| 18:50.44 | no_gravity | jelly: i tried kill -9. no avail. even reboot seems to hang. |
| 18:51.04 | no_gravity | jelly: guess i have to hold the power button until the machine goes down. |
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| 18:51.04 | jelly | no_gravity: not kill -9 on the process that's in D state, that won't work |
| 18:51.16 | jelly | no_gravity: sysrq |
| 18:51.27 | no_gravity | jelly: what is sysrq? |
| 18:51.31 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 18:51.32 | dpkg | i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 18:51.58 | jhutchins | rysiek|pl: Read the man page. |
| 18:52.10 | jelly | no_gravity: before you do sysrq s, u, b, which filesystem type is the process (probably) stuck on? |
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| 18:52.19 | AvatarA | I wonder if that sync actually works when the system is stuck? |
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| 18:52.19 | no_gravity | jelly: interesting. alt+print+b rebooted the machine. |
| 18:52.33 | droopy | Hi I disabled apache's mod_auth_basic, but I'm still getting prompted when I attempt to access my site |
| 18:52.33 | jelly | yes, that's what sysrq-b does |
| 18:52.38 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: talking about -m/-p? |
| 18:52.44 | no_gravity | jelly: it was stuck on formating a drive as ext4 |
| 18:52.45 | droopy | I also restarted apache, so it's not clear why it didn't take effect |
| 18:52.58 | jelly | no_gravity: huh |
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| 18:53.43 | jelly | no_gravity: D state more often happens on network-based or buggy filesystems, rather than an actual Disk |
| 18:53.55 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: http://wklej.org/id/1801342/ |
| 18:54.20 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: also, from the manpage: |
| 18:54.22 | jelly | no_gravity: take a look at /var/log/kern.log after the thing boots. There may have been errors from that device |
| 18:54.35 | rysiek|pl | Preserve the current environment, except for: $PATH |
| 18:54.40 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins: ^ ^ ^ |
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| 18:55.08 | rysiek|pl | if I should be seeing something else in the manpage, well, I'm not and your expertise and knowledge would be very appreciated |
| 18:55.16 | jelly | rysiek|pl: that's easy to work around |
| 18:55.31 | jelly | rysiek|pl: su user2 -c "env PATH=$PATH your command" |
| 18:55.43 | rysiek|pl | yeah, testing this |
| 18:55.50 | rysiek|pl | but I thought there might be a more elegant way |
| 18:55.51 | jelly | sprinkle with more quotes as needed |
| 18:56.00 | rysiek|pl | mmm, quotes |
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| 18:56.14 | jelly | rysiek|pl: a properly configured sudo is more elegant |
| 18:56.31 | rysiek|pl | jelly: I know, but I am trying not to pull more packages here |
| 18:56.34 | jelly | config details are left as an exercise for the reader |
| 18:56.51 | rysiek|pl | jelly: aren't they always ;) |
| 18:58.48 | no_gravity | is the way to format as ext2 "mkfs.ext2"? |
| 18:59.12 | rysiek|pl | jelly, pistache: exec su -p -c "export PATH=\"$PATH\"; $*" postgres <-- winning combination |
| 18:59.26 | rysiek|pl | jelly, pistache: thanks :) |
| 18:59.52 | jelly | good grief |
| 19:00.09 | jelly | is just anxious when he sees $* instead of "$@" |
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| 19:01.00 | jelly | rysiek|pl: does that work for you? I wasn't aware su spawned a /bin/sh -c ... |
| 19:01.22 | rysiek|pl | jelly: it does with -c AFAIK |
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| 19:01.44 | rysiek|pl | jelly: and yes, it works well |
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| 19:01.53 | jelly | TIL |
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| 19:02.05 | rysiek|pl | jelly: re: anxious - me too, but in this case it was the Right Thing To Do |
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| 19:02.36 | jelly | env FOO=bar some command -- is just one command |
| 19:03.25 | rysiek|pl | jelly: testing |
| 19:03.31 | jelly | /usr/bin/env reads the a=b arguments, sets the environment, then execs some command |
| 19:03.35 | rysiek|pl | affirmative, it works |
| 19:03.40 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
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| 19:05.43 | AndChat238601 | how can i disable wlan0 from starting up automatically. I found that error appears when run: ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 19:06.41 | otyugh__ | hey ! |
| 19:06.58 | otyugh__ | can someone explain me why I can't "dd" some music disk ? |
| 19:07.16 | otyugh__ | I get I/O error, althought I can copy it's content using some specific software |
| 19:07.31 | jhutchins | otyugh__: Are you trying to copy the tracks from the disk? |
| 19:07.38 | otyugh__ | I thought "dd" was a command only copying bits per bits, not judging the content |
| 19:07.52 | otyugh__ | With dd, I only try to copy the whole "as is" |
| 19:07.54 | jhutchins | otyugh__: A music disk is not a standard block device. |
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| 19:07.54 | otyugh__ | and I fail ! |
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| 19:08.17 | otyugh__ | jhutchins: yet it is numeric data, right ? |
| 19:08.25 | otyugh__ | I don't get why dd fails at copying it |
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| 19:09.13 | otyugh__ | So, well, I don't understand this behaviour :s |
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| 19:09.59 | jelly | otyugh__: an audio CD is not seen as a proper block device in linux |
| 19:10.08 | jelly | ,i cdparanoia |
| 19:10.09 | judd | Package cdparanoia (sound, optional) in jessie/amd64: audio extraction tool for sampling CDs. Version: 3.10.2+debian-11; Size: 42.5k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ |
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| 19:10.28 | jelly | otyugh__: ^^ use that, or a tool that uses cdparanoia as a library |
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| 19:10.53 | otyugh__ | jelly: I still don't get it why a CD is so much different than "a pool of random data" : it should be able to copy something. Right ? |
| 19:11.00 | K1ll | hi |
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| 19:11.33 | DominikB | otyugh__, it's the way the data of an audio cd is stored on the cd wich differes a lot from data cds |
| 19:11.35 | otyugh__ | yeup I think I'll try cdpranaoia, but I'd wish very much to understand the problem :s |
| 19:12.12 | jelly | otyugh__: wrong. you need the right combination of: hardware, hw driver, controller driver, scsi stack, to see something as a "block device" in linux so that dd can work on it |
| 19:12.16 | otyugh__ | DominikB: the way I understand it, dd should be able to copy a device entirely even if not filesystem on it |
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| 19:12.49 | jelly | otyugh__: a CD is not a block device, like a tape is not a block device either |
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| 19:12.55 | DominikB | otyugh__, nope |
| 19:13.05 | DominikB | just like jelly says |
| 19:13.27 | jelly | it _might_ have been a block device if the driver was written that way, but it isn't |
| 19:13.55 | otyugh__ | but if a specific tool does work, there is a way to access the blocks |
| 19:14.01 | jelly | yes. |
| 19:14.11 | jelly | just not using the APIs that dd uses. |
| 19:14.18 | otyugh__ | dd does not juge the blocks, hhis jobs is copying. |
| 19:14.27 | otyugh__ | hm. |
| 19:14.39 | otyugh__ | This is confusing ! |
| 19:14.45 | jelly | no shit |
| 19:15.07 | jelly | and we didn't even get into cd format modes |
| 19:15.15 | otyugh__ | I guess it's a choice at kernel's level or something ? |
| 19:15.15 | jelly | or multisessions |
| 19:15.30 | markybob | haha |
| 19:15.32 | otyugh__ | or is it dd itself ? |
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| 19:15.36 | Guest51397 | Hello, I am trying to connect to a hidden WPA2 protected wifi network with no dhcp by editing /etc/network/interfaces. I followed instructions found here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and here (for static ip) https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc , so far with no success. |
| 19:15.37 | jelly | it's the kernel. |
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| 19:16.19 | pistache | this all depends on the CD |
| 19:16.32 | otyugh__ | But jelly, why sometimes "dd" does work on some disks ? The same physical way of exploring blocks it is, right ? |
| 19:16.33 | pistache | data cds can be dumped using dd without any problem |
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| 19:16.57 | otyugh__ | pistache: well not in my actual case I'm experiencing, I did not |
| 19:17.20 | otyugh__ | I got "I/O error" and 0 bit copied |
| 19:17.32 | pistache | is it a data or audio cd? |
| 19:17.38 | otyugh__ | audio cd |
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| 19:18.12 | pistache | then it will never be seen as a block device, as it was explained above |
| 19:18.24 | jhutchins | otyugh__: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ <- everything there is to know about CDs. |
| 19:18.27 | pistache | some cds can be dumped because they are emulated as block devices (data CDs) |
| 19:18.31 | TreesEngineer | hi |
| 19:18.31 | DominikB | otyugh__, maybe you could google red book audio cd and look in the way the data is streamed from the cd drive to the pc as a single 750mb long stream of data and then handled by the os |
| 19:18.40 | pistache | only the first session is, though |
| 19:18.42 | jelly | otyugh__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books |
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| 19:19.10 | jelly | otyugh__: read about red book and orange book, and be confused some more |
| 19:19.38 | otyugh__ | jelly: I'm not that sure I want to understand anymore :x |
| 19:20.14 | jelly | you don't, just remember you need to use a specialized tool to rip audio cds |
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| 19:22.06 | jhutchins | Video disks, on the other hand, block copy quite nicely. |
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| 19:22.45 | DominikB | jhutchins, yep because thats an totaly other format |
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| 19:23.02 | jhutchins | Some (many now) CD players can read block-formatted data disks with music files on them and play the music. |
| 19:23.07 | fcp14 | hello please my startx doesn't start |
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| 19:23.17 | markybob | !ask |
| 19:23.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:23.30 | fcp14 | appears na error on Xorg0.log debian addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0 |
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| 19:24.07 | fcp14 | i try to install again the xserver-xorg-video-intel and still the same :( |
| 19:24.16 | fcp14 | anyone can help please |
| 19:24.27 | DominikB | fcp14, are you shure you have an intel video card |
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| 19:24.58 | fcp14 | i think so i use lspci | grep -i vga |
| 19:25.08 | fcp14 | and appears intel corp mobile 945gse |
| 19:25.46 | jelly | fcp14: install pastebinit, then pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... which Debian release are you using, and are you using a custom kernel (what does `uname -a` command say)? |
| 19:26.04 | jhutchins | !pt |
| 19:26.04 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 19:27.06 | merlincorey | T2/w 21 |
| 19:27.08 | otyugh__ | jhutchins: As I understand it http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-1-1 does answer "precisely" ; it's still counter inuitive why I can't still dump the whole "nosense weird standardized data" in a corner and then intereperete it as I'd wish ; but well. I think I won't get any farther on the way |
| 19:27.08 | merlincorey | fffail |
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| 19:30.10 | jhutchins | otyugh__: The main problem is that the filesystem on your HD is not compatible with the CD Audio format. |
| 19:30.15 | jhutchins | otyugh__: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Duplicate_Audio.html |
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| 19:30.31 | greycat | Just use cdparanoia, or a wrapper program that calls cdparanoia for you. |
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| 19:30.55 | jhutchins | cdrao |
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| 19:38.11 | jelly | ,rdepends libcdparanoia0 |
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| 19:39.08 | jelly | oh, that command does not exist at all |
| 19:39.28 | greycat | There's "apt-cache showpkg libcdparanoia0" and then "apt-cache showpkg cdparanoia" |
| 19:39.40 | fcp14 | :s pastebinit doesnt show the url complete |
| 19:39.56 | fcp14 | !pastebinit |
| 19:39.57 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 19:40.36 | jelly | fcp14: try "pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com" |
| 19:41.27 | fcp14 | thanks |
| 19:41.30 | jelly | paste.debian.net apparently switched to https and broke something, again |
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| 19:41.45 | fcp14 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12516585 |
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| 19:42.49 | greycat | Well, fcp14 is post-Jessie, because Jessie's only got X server core 1.16.4 |
| 19:42.59 | jelly | fcp14: whcih debian release are you using? |
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| 19:44.36 | fcp14 | i use 8.2 |
| 19:44.39 | fcp14 | debian jessie |
| 19:44.51 | fcp14 | on my eeepc |
| 19:45.27 | greycat | fcp14: you are not running a pure Jessie install. You've got a 4.1.0 kernel and an X server that is higher-numbered than Jessie's. |
| 19:45.40 | fcp14 | hum |
| 19:45.48 | fcp14 | go check my apt sources |
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| 19:47.40 | fcp14 | :/ |
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| 19:53.55 | frikkie | Hi, does anyone know how to stop wlan0 from starting up during boot |
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| 19:54.28 | nyef | Probably by hacking /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 19:54.49 | nyef | Or (more recently) something in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
| 19:55.34 | frikkie | Will this work even if those files does not contain any content about the wlan0 interface? |
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| 19:57.48 | somiaj | frikkie: no, if you have network-manager or some other tool (such as wicd) you will need to disable those serversices from starting or configure the service to not automatically bring up your interface |
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| 19:58.41 | nyef | ... I think I was getting to that point, having not found anything obvious in "man 5 interfaces". |
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| 19:59.34 | somiaj | yea the interfaces file is only if you choose to use debians ifup/down scripts to manage your interfaces. There is really no sortage of tools out there (even systemd has networkd) |
| 19:59.57 | frikkie | Thanks for the info i will try that |
| 20:00.01 | greycat | Oh god, does this mean things are going to change again? |
| 20:00.52 | somiaj | greycat: no, debian systems have disbalbed networkd and interfaces is still the default. One would have to actually take the time to configure networkd and turn it on to use it. |
| 20:01.13 | somiaj | at least that is where jessie is and I belive stretch is keeping with, use the interfaces file as the default way to manage interfaces. |
| 20:01.21 | teraflops | greycat: you can use whatever suits your needs I see no change at all just more tools available |
| 20:01.47 | teraflops | i do use networkd in a few machines, it works fine |
| 20:02.14 | somiaj | yea, I forget what the process is to enable it. I just know you won't be using it unless you specifically want to on debian systems. |
| 20:02.31 | somiaj | (unlike network-manager which gets pulled in with most desktops) |
| 20:02.45 | greycat | good thing I never install a desktop, then! |
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| 20:03.10 | teraflops | nmtui is fine for cli, centos ships with it by default if I remember right |
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| 20:03.22 | teraflops | centos 7* |
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| 20:04.16 | jelly | teraflops: if it handled tagged vlans over bonded interfaces, I'd use it |
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| 20:04.43 | teraflops | it does, also systemd-networkd |
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| 20:05.24 | teraflops | and tunnels to, e.g tun/tap |
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| 20:06.45 | teraflops | jelly: you mean network-manager? oh I dont know for sure, but networkd does it |
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| 20:14.35 | JoelJo | Hi guys, in the advanced Debian mode i saw 4 way to log it, 2 are recovery mode the other 2 are kernel 3.16.0-4 and 3.16.2 what is the difference? |
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| 20:15.36 | greycat | Well, somewhere somehow you have picked up a 3.16.2 kernel, which is not from the jessie repository. |
| 20:16.02 | greycat | I assume you're talking about the boot loader (grub), not "login". |
| 20:16.21 | JoelJo | yea from the grub2 |
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| 20:16.47 | greycat | It will (hopefully) boot whichever kernel version you select. |
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| 20:17.46 | JoelJo | I have wheezy and ubuntu on the same HD but I don't think this kernel come from them, they are separated with a logical partition |
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| 20:23.15 | jhutchins | JoelJo: Grub should pick up whatever kernels are found and list them. |
| 20:23.22 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 20:23.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-trunk-686-pae (4.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.1.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
| 20:23.42 | greycat | It's less clear how things work when you have two different Linux installations on the same hard drive. |
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| 20:24.09 | jhutchins | greycat: I've done that, it works fine. update-grub finds the other install's kernels and makes menu entries. |
| 20:24.12 | tamuren | Hi, SFTP times out before I can complete my transfer. How can I extend the timeout setting for SFTP? |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | Do they all share a common /boot partition, or separate ones? Is it a UEFI box or a BIOS box? Etc. |
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| 20:24.39 | jhutchins | greycat: In my case /boot is part of /, they're in different partitions. |
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| 20:25.15 | jhutchins | tamuren: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:26.25 | tamuren | I tried to download my web project to PHPStorm on my windows machine. It gets about 15% complete, but because of the size the connection closes. I expected PHPStorm to succesfully download my project using SFTP |
| 20:27.00 | tamuren | I assume the settings for SFTP on the server I am downloading the project from is preventing me from completing this |
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| 20:28.04 | jhutchins | tamuren: I wouldn't think so, timeouts usually only happen due to inactivity. |
| 20:28.22 | jhutchins | tamuren: The one possible limit is that your ISP might cut you off at a certain file size. |
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| 20:29.03 | jhutchins | tamuren: I don't know much about Windows file transfer clients, but it would be good to try something like rsync that can resume a transfer. |
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| 20:29.32 | jhutchins | tamuren: It's possible that some problem with the network connection is interrupting your transfer. |
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| 20:29.47 | JoelJo | well in my logical partition there are exactly 4 linux os, wheezy jessie ubuntu and suse, I hope there is not a mess under the hood of mt jessie when I use it... |
| 20:30.27 | JoelJo | ...of my Jessie when I use it* |
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| 20:31.30 | tamuren | jhutchins: I don't feel there is a network connection as it has failed on the same file in every instance. I will master rsync instead!! |
| 20:31.38 | tamuren | *problem |
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| 20:35.41 | jhutchins | tamuren: filezilla _might_ have resume capabilities. |
| 20:35.53 | greycat | rsync definitely does |
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| 20:41.15 | Schrodinger_ | Hey guys |
| 20:41.18 | Schrodinger_ | I need help |
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| 20:41.29 | Schrodinger_ | Anyone please help me |
| 20:41.34 | tamuren | Hi Schrodinger_ |
| 20:41.40 | Schrodinger_ | Hry |
| 20:41.44 | Schrodinger_ | Hey* |
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| 20:42.05 | tamuren | I'm pleased to hear you out |
| 20:42.12 | Schrodinger_ | I can't install debian |
| 20:42.18 | Schrodinger_ | I can't install anything |
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| 20:42.34 | Schrodinger_ | When I try to boot from the USB |
| 20:42.39 | Schrodinger_ | It says OS missing |
| 20:42.51 | Schrodinger_ | Also the USB is only detected in legacy |
| 20:42.54 | greycat | How did you write the OS installer image onto the USB device? |
| 20:43.02 | Schrodinger_ | It's not detected in UFEI |
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| 20:43.18 | Schrodinger_ | I'm on windows rn so I used isotousb.com |
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| 20:43.36 | Schrodinger_ | Windows 10 |
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| 20:44.16 | greycat | It's very important that you write the image directly onto the device (overwriting the file system entirely), not as a file within a formatted VFAT/NTFS file system. |
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| 20:44.27 | greycat | I don't know windows, or windows tools. |
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| 20:44.47 | Schrodinger_ | I did this |
| 20:45.27 | Schrodinger_ | I installed opensuse a couple of days ago and nothing went wrong |
| 20:45.29 | Schrodinger_ | I removed it |
| 20:45.41 | Schrodinger_ | And now I can't install an distro |
| 20:45.48 | Schrodinger_ | I tried different USBs |
| 20:46.47 | teraflops | Schrodinger_: better use diskimagewriter, not that im saying that iso2usb does not work but Ive used diskimagewriter several times and it works⢠|
| 20:47.15 | greycat | The install guide points to http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 20:47.15 | Schrodinger_ | I don't think the problem is with the program I used |
| 20:47.19 | Schrodinger_ | As I said |
| 20:47.28 | Schrodinger_ | I installed opensuse before |
| 20:47.33 | Schrodinger_ | And it worked |
| 20:47.40 | Schrodinger_ | I tried installing it again |
| 20:47.41 | teraflops | greycat: yeah that one |
| 20:47.46 | Schrodinger_ | Using same steps |
| 20:47.51 | jhutchins | Schrodinger_: The most likely problem is that you have a corrupt iso image that the BIOS doesn't recognize. |
| 20:48.01 | jhutchins | !enter |
| 20:48.01 | greycat | And MAN is that buried deep in the install guide. You can't even find it by searching for "windows" |
| 20:48.02 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:48.17 | Schrodinger_ | I used the same opensuse iso that bios recognized before |
| 20:48.18 | greycat | It literally says "other operating systems" instead. |
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| 20:48.29 | Schrodinger_ | And I get the same error |
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| 20:49.24 | Schrodinger_ | I'll try disk image writer |
| 20:49.47 | jhutchins | There is also this: https://rufus.akeo.ie/ |
| 20:49.48 | Nach2 | I was moving an ext3 partition with e2image, and the computer reboot in the middle. What is the safest way to fix the partition table for it? |
| 20:49.52 | Schrodinger_ | Also my USB isn't detected in UFEI |
| 20:49.59 | Schrodinger_ | Only detected in legacy |
| 20:50.00 | miskatonic | does DVD booting work? |
| 20:50.14 | greycat | Schrodinger_: probably because you didn't write the ISO image to it properly |
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| 20:53.00 | jhutchins | Schrodinger_: The most common problem is a corrupt iso image. The next is windows programs that don't consistently write a clean image. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. The third is bad hardware - failed USB drives. |
| 20:53.16 | jhutchins | Schrodinger_: You've used multiple devices, so that eliminates the last one. |
| 20:53.19 | teraflops | btw for the other way arround Ive used http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html and it works really nice. |
| 20:53.34 | jhutchins | Schrodinger_: You haven't checked the CRC of the image, so that's still a possibility, as is a bad write. |
| 20:53.56 | teraflops | it just install grub on on the usb and boots the iso from it? clever |
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| 20:54.17 | teraflops | s/?/! |
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| 20:54.34 | greycat | teraflops: wouldn't that mean you can't pull the USB device out and use it on a different computer? |
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| 20:55.08 | sekjun9878___ | Hello, I am attempting to get wireless working, but I am having problems. I can't follow the step because I am using the command line pending installing cinnamon when the network is configured. When installing I only get 1 blank ESSID. Anyone else had similar issue? |
| 20:55.14 | teraflops | greycat: yes I use it for creatinw windows 10 bootable usb and it boots everywhere |
| 20:55.20 | sekjun9878___ | Not a driver issue - card is detected and it is ath9k |
| 20:55.44 | g00se | Grub2 now supports booting isos |
| 20:56.21 | teraflops | greycat: I mean for creating bootable windows usb sticks from linux |
| 20:57.08 | greycat | teraflops: oh, you mean it writes grub *and* the iso image onto the stick? Not just grub, pointing to the iso image somewhere on a hard drive? |
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| 20:58.25 | jhutchins | It would just chainload isolinux. |
| 20:59.11 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: How are you configuring the connection? |
| 20:59.21 | teraflops | greycat: yes it installs grub on the usb stick, then create a config for making the iso apperar in the usb's grub menu, and voilla |
| 21:00.13 | g00se | I think it might not even need isolinux. It could probably handle a Windows bootloader on the inner iso |
| 21:00.31 | g00se | FreeDOS? |
| 21:00.42 | thenewone | Hi guys |
| 21:00.57 | thenewone | when i try to install something in debian 8 it give me this message |
| 21:00.57 | thenewone | Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20150906-10:02' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 21:01.05 | thenewone | how to fix it and thanks |
| 21:01.27 | bumbar | why am i not allowed to cd to my dir in /var/www, if i am owner of it? |
| 21:01.29 | greycat | thenewone: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list (as root) and comment out those CD lines, and make sure you have network deb lines. Then run apt-get update. |
| 21:01.30 | jhutchins | thenewone: How about inserting the DVD into the drive and pressing enter? |
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| 21:01.49 | greycat | bumbar: You need +x permission on each directory leading up to it, and on the dir itself. |
| 21:02.00 | jhutchins | !tell thenewone about jessie sources.list |
| 21:02.26 | sekjun9878___ | jhutchins: Thanks! Right now as I am on terminal, I am trying to use wpasupplicant to no avail. When I use `iwlist scan` it only gives me ESSIDs with "\x00" |
| 21:02.32 | bumbar | greycat, thanks |
| 21:02.44 | thenewone | ok thanks |
| 21:02.51 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: Sounds like maybe the radio isn't on/working. |
| 21:03.17 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: What chipset? |
| 21:03.44 | sekjun9878___ | jhutchins: It did work fine on an Ubuntu installation I had 6 hours ago. lspci output: Qualcomm Atheros AR93xx Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 21:05.25 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: Should use ath9k and not need firmware. |
| 21:05.39 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: Yet more evidence that ubuntu isn't debian. |
| 21:06.23 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: Check dmesg for relevant messages. |
| 21:06.47 | AvatarA | sekjun9878___, try iw nameofwifidevice scan |
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| 21:06.55 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: Is the WAP perhaps not broadcasting the SSID? |
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| 21:08.30 | jhutchins | AvatarA: iwlist maybe? |
| 21:08.48 | AvatarA | no, iw |
| 21:09.08 | jhutchins | AvatarA: I guess my test box doesn't have wireless so it wouldn't have iw. |
| 21:09.12 | sekjun9878___ | jhutchins: AvatarA: Just tried `iw wlan0 scan`, that did the job of scanning correctly |
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| 21:12.49 | kaak | can I get systemd to notify a userspace application (i.e. code that I write) about the progress of its boot? |
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| 21:13.28 | kaak | I've got a system that only has a alphanumeric LCD as its only output, and it would be nice to get boot progress notifications on it |
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| 21:14.08 | sekjun9878___ | jhutchins: AvatarA: Right, so seems to be that iw has deprecated iwconfig/iwlist. But the Debian documentation still has iwlist on it. I'll try to get the rest figured out on my own. Thanks for your help! |
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| 21:16.51 | jhutchins | sekjun9878___: This is probably a systemd thing. |
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| 21:17.37 | jhutchins | It's bad enough systemd is taking over everything, they keep breaking things that used to work. |
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| 21:18.24 | sekjun9878___ | jhutchins: Quite likely. |
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| 21:20.17 | Schrodinger_ | I'm back |
| 21:20.40 | Schrodinger_ | I wrote the image with the tool you gave me |
| 21:20.45 | Schrodinger_ | Still the same problem |
| 21:20.50 | Schrodinger_ | As I said I think the problem is with the bios |
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| 21:24.47 | edgy | Hi, where cand I download a cloud image? I found this https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image but didn't find a download link |
| 21:25.50 | jhutchins | Schrodinger_: You could look for a bios update. You could restore the original EFI partition. |
| 21:27.16 | jhutchins | edgy: https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=890be55d-32d8-4bc8-9042-2b4fd83064d5 |
| 21:27.29 | jordanm | edgy: ec2 AMIs are not something you download |
| 21:27.52 | jordanm | edgy: you attach them to your aws account and can then launch instances with that AMI |
| 21:28.08 | edgy | jhutchins, jordanm: sorry I don't understand this stuff and I am new here. coming from ubuntu which has a cloud image that I used to download and use with virt-manager |
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| 21:28.44 | jhutchins | edgy: Are you trying to create a local VM or one on aws? |
| 21:28.53 | edgy | jhutchins: local |
| 21:29.09 | jhutchins | edgy: What hypervisor? |
| 21:29.22 | edgy | jhutchins: libvirt |
| 21:29.40 | jordanm | edgy: libvirt supports multiple hypervisors, such as kvm and virtualbox |
| 21:29.43 | cxd13 | my debian 8.2 system takes a really, really long time to shut down sometimes. i took this shot of the stuff on the screen. anything useful here to determine why? https://i.imgur.com/QXsnyIz.jpg |
| 21:29.48 | edgy | jordanm: kvm |
| 21:29.58 | jordanm | edgy: either way, you can probably use a vagrant base box like this one: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/debian/boxes/jessie64 |
| 21:30.08 | jordanm | edgy: virtualbox base boxes should work with kvm |
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| 21:30.30 | jordanm | edgy: but there is nothing "cloud" about a single vm running KVM |
| 21:30.32 | jhutchins | edgy: http://virt-tools.org/learning/install-with-command-line/ |
| 21:31.08 | jhutchins | edgy: It looks like you just use the regular installer iso - that's safer anyway. |
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| 21:31.38 | edgy | the good thing about ubuntu cloud image is I don't need to do the installation, it's ready-made. this is all I need |
| 21:31.41 | jhutchins | edgy: A pre-configured image from an unknown third party could have Very Bad Things in it. |
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| 21:31.55 | jordanm | edgy: use vagrant |
| 21:32.23 | edgy | jordanm: I don't know what's vagrant and I am afraid it's not what I want, this is for hosting purposes |
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| 21:34.16 | gefdecue | my network-manager doesnt says the internal wifi card is disconnected (but its on and wifi connected) |
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| 21:41.59 | thenewone | gusy i tryed to install linux-firmware-nonfree but it said Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 21:45.17 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 21:45.18 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:45.41 | jhutchins | thenewone: it's probably in nonfree, which is not enabled by default. |
| 21:46.03 | thenewone | jhutchins, how to enable it ? |
| 21:47.34 | jhutchins | thenewone: /msg dpkg contrib, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:47.56 | thenewone | thanks |
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| 21:48.08 | thenewone | should i add sudo ? |
| 21:48.12 | thenewone | or do it in root |
| 21:50.12 | jhutchins | thenewone: I learned using root, whichever you're more comfortable with is fine. |
| 21:51.18 | SynrG | had some time to re-examine this morning's issue (trying to chisel down the sheer volume of mail folders icedove has to index and therefore how much time it devotes to this activity on my limited resource netbook) and found this helpful article: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/rebuilding-global-database ... am in the middle of this process now. |
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| 21:53.02 | thenewone | jhutchins, didnt work for me |
| 21:53.06 | thenewone | command not found |
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| 21:53.49 | jhutchins | thenewone: That's a private query in IRC, not a command. |
| 21:54.11 | jhutchins | thenewone: Most people don't like private queries, but dpkg is a bot and doesn't care. |
| 21:54.30 | thenewone | i'm talking about installing linux-frimware-nonfree |
| 21:54.32 | thenewone | loool |
| 21:54.36 | thenewone | you didnt read my message |
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| 21:55.12 | jhutchins | thenewone: You didn't specify what you had done. Have you edited your sources list and enabled contrib and non-free? |
| 21:55.40 | thenewone | ok |
| 21:55.42 | thenewone | one s |
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| 21:56.55 | SynrG | i had reported then that icedove claimed it was going to index 100,000+ messages. now, based on progress so far (about 5 minutes for about 3000 messages) i project for that much mail it would take approx 3 hrs to do a complete rebuild. (vs. this morning prior to deleting the global database, indexing died after the first 3000 messages) :p just throwing this out there in case anyone was following along and wanted to learn from it :) |
| 21:58.36 | AvatarA | you have 100.000+ messages on your computer? |
| 21:58.44 | cxd13 | anyone know what those messages are on the bottom of this image? they're slowing down my shutdown times a lot. https://i.imgur.com/QXsnyIz.jpg |
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| 21:59.28 | AvatarA | seems like a well hung task :] |
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| 22:00.02 | AvatarA | but I don't think that's enough info to know what is going on |
| 22:00.54 | cxd13 | 1/10 shutdowns end up like this. it takes a long time to shut down |
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| 22:01.01 | cxd13 | not sure what is causing it |
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| 22:04.26 | g00se | It's payback time for that fast systemd boot time |
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| 22:06.29 | cxd13 | would shutting down with shutdown -h now force it to shut down or would whatever is doing this still stall shutdown that way too? |
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| 22:08.27 | AvatarA | best would be to isolate the problem |
| 22:08.34 | AvatarA | see what is preventing the shutdown |
| 22:08.52 | AvatarA | pay attention to what is different when it times out |
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| 22:09.34 | cxd13 | ok |
| 22:09.48 | AvatarA | also look through journalctl |
| 22:10.29 | AvatarA | actually, /var/log |
| 22:10.54 | AvatarA | journald doesn't keep past logs by default |
| 22:10.57 | thenewone | thanks |
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| 22:36.25 | BullHorn | how can i make debian look nice |
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| 22:36.40 | BullHorn | gnome and xfce look like someone took windows95 GUI and rounded the corners of windows and fonts |
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| 22:38.44 | AvatarA | apt-get install subjective-best-gui |
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| 22:39.30 | BullHorn | helpful as always |
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| 22:40.05 | AvatarA | almost zero similarity between gnome3 and windows95 |
| 22:40.48 | AvatarA | try kde, try gnome themes/etc |
| 22:40.59 | teraflops | BullHorn: no, it's a feature so anyone can set it up to their likes |
| 22:46.12 | cxd13 | debian is ugly by default. you need to theme it yourself and make it look good |
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| 22:46.20 | cxd13 | which is easy |
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| 22:56.50 | SuperTramp83 | BullHorn: download some themes. Put gtk themes in /usr/share/themes and icon themes in /usr/share/icons. Apply the themes.. |
| 22:58.39 | AvatarA | better in the home directory |
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| 23:23.59 | sputnik | guys |
| 23:24.14 | sputnik | how can i update initramfs from live cd? |
| 23:25.01 | sputnik | i've been updating my debian wheezy box and because of duplicate entries in mdadm.conf now i have unbootable debian... :/ |
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| 23:28.15 | AvatarA | mount your root partition |
| 23:28.24 | AvatarA | change the .conf |
| 23:28.41 | AvatarA | chroot |
| 23:28.45 | AvatarA | update-initramfs |
| 23:29.13 | AvatarA | maybe you can update-initramfs withtout chroot but I do not know the specifics of that binary |
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| 23:32.02 | sputnik | AvatarA: so i simply need to, for example, chroot /mnt and then run update-initramfs -u ? |
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| 23:33.20 | AvatarA | see if it works |
| 23:33.57 | AvatarA | if not, you may need to bind mount /sys or /dev or /proc or something |
| 23:34.05 | teraflops | sputnik: theres an entry on the install cd called rescue that has te option to chroot to the partition you choose |
| 23:34.28 | teraflops | if youre not confortable doing it by hand |
| 23:35.01 | AvatarA | arch linux wiki has a nice guide on chroot-ing |
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| 23:36.48 | teraflops | AvatarA: yes. they also use arch-chroot and a set of scripts eg pacstrap genfstb etc |
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| 23:37.22 | AvatarA | there is a section for the chroot command |
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| 23:38.21 | sputnik | AvatarA: thanks, that worked! |
| 23:38.41 | AvatarA | no problem |
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