| 00:00.08 | cxd13 | Thorax: sure. firefox.com |
| 00:00.13 | squinty | Sander^home, do you need to get an invite or just register with Freenode. some channels require registration before being allowed to post |
| 00:00.20 | cxd13 | unpack and run |
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| 00:01.07 | bugoff | Hmmm... |
| 00:01.18 | Sander^home | the channel is +i |
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| 00:01.27 | bugoff | Basically, I'm trying to make sure I don't go through the nightmare it's going to be to switch to Debian from Windows 10 for nothing. |
| 00:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thorax, because you need the bleeding-edge version of ls? |
| 00:01.36 | Sander^home | squinty: I've identified |
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| 00:01.44 | bugoff | What guarantees do I have that Debian won't start violating the privacy of the users like Ubuntu did? |
| 00:01.48 | bugoff | Or that Windows does. |
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| 00:02.20 | bugoff | Also, is there even something as great as Media Player Classic Home Cinema on Linux? |
| 00:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sander^home, #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, not here |
| 00:02.28 | Sander^home | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, ok. |
| 00:02.37 | cxd13 | bugoff was trolling #linux earlier don't bother with him |
| 00:02.43 | bugoff | I mean this: https://mpc-hc.org/ |
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| 00:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (because oftc is the official home of debian channels for some time now) |
| 00:03.33 | Sander^home_ | Hi. Is this debian-next? |
| 00:03.37 | Sander^home_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ? :-9 |
| 00:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sander^home_, ! |
| 00:03.54 | squinty | bugoff, as far as i am concerned the only prime difference between mpc and vlc is mpc you can click on the screen itself to pause |
| 00:04.20 | logan0405 | Sander^home, no, this is patrick |
| 00:04.28 | logan0405 | no but this is #debian |
| 00:04.37 | bugoff | squinty: Then you are incorrectly concerned. |
| 00:04.53 | logan0405 | when I tried joining #debian-next it says invite only |
| 00:04.55 | Thorax | CutMeOwnThroat, Im not saying i need the bleeding edge |
| 00:05.03 | bugoff | For one thing, MPC-HC actually has working bookmarks. |
| 00:05.06 | cxd13 | squinty: i warned you |
| 00:05.15 | bugoff | But there are many subtle things as well. |
| 00:05.17 | Sander^home_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I had this idea of implementing lxc containers for dpkg, so programs can use it, like in the ubuntu phone, or even in all apps in debian. |
| 00:05.20 | markybob | Sander^home_, you're on the wrong network. it's OFTC |
| 00:05.21 | squinty | bugoff, ok decide to give you the benifit of doubt but you can go get your diaper changed now.... here that, that is your mommy callling you |
| 00:05.27 | bugoff | I'll likely end up running Windows in a VM and playing video files inside of it. |
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| 00:05.41 | bugoff | ... what? |
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| 00:05.53 | bugoff | squinty: Are you some sort of escaped lunatic? |
| 00:05.54 | Thorax | bugoff i know what you mean. The only thing that comes close to MPC-HC on linux is VLC |
| 00:06.02 | bugoff | Thorax: Damn. |
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| 00:06.29 | Thorax | Linux version of VLC is much better than the windows version though |
| 00:06.36 | logan0405 | cxd13, sounds like what people say about me when i go into #javascript LOL |
| 00:06.45 | bugoff | Thorax: Personally, I don't understand how it's possible that VLC can have the bug (if it's a bug) for so long, making the bookmark feature useless. |
| 00:06.55 | bugoff | Thorax: It is? I thought they were identical. |
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| 00:07.29 | Thorax | Layout and everything pretty much is yeah. But it plays videos much better. Does have so many errors |
| 00:07.33 | bugoff | People like squinty are the reason why I've kept putting off the move to Linux for so longer after Windows 8 was released, BTW. |
| 00:07.35 | Thorax | Doesnt** |
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| 00:07.58 | bugoff | Does Debian have native support for TrueCrypt disks/containers? |
| 00:07.58 | Thorax | bugoff, Dont let that concern you. |
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| 00:08.20 | fagbodildage | bugoff: he's probably just pissed that you can't be bothered to google |
| 00:08.28 | bugoff | fagbodildage: What does that even mean? |
| 00:08.57 | fagbodildage | https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=debian%20truecrypt%20support&es_th=1 |
| 00:09.04 | Thorax | With Linuc bugoff, you do just need to have a good search for most stuff. Especially generalised stuff such as which media player to use |
| 00:09.05 | fagbodildage | ^that's what it means^ |
| 00:09.05 | bugoff | He's pissed that I won't surrender my privacy to generate income and tracking opportunities for a commercial mega corporation so they can serve me irrelevant junk? |
| 00:09.11 | Sander^home_ | bugoff: how come windows? |
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| 00:09.32 | bugoff | Sander^home_: Due to the history of the PC. |
| 00:09.40 | bugoff | Basically, everything assumes Windows. |
| 00:09.45 | fagbodildage | bugoff: other search engines are available, IRC is not a search engine |
| 00:09.58 | bugoff | I have massive concerns regarding everything from my Wacom pad, scanner to ShadowPlay. |
| 00:10.01 | logan0405 | hahahaha |
| 00:10.04 | markybob | bugoff, you know debian isn't secure at all, right? |
| 00:10.16 | bugoff | ShadowPlay being a fullscreen video recorder that is far better than anything I've ever used. |
| 00:10.17 | logan0405 | why isnt debian secure markybob |
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| 00:10.27 | c0fe | no OS is secure |
| 00:10.27 | Thorax | logan0405, Curious also |
| 00:10.36 | c0fe | or truly secure i should say |
| 00:10.41 | logan0405 | yeah |
| 00:10.42 | blly | c0fe, agreed |
| 00:10.43 | fagbodildage | security is relative |
| 00:10.44 | squinty | is glad he put the troll on ignore |
| 00:10.50 | Sander^home_ | bugoff: Have you seen how cool lxc is? http://www.janoszen.com/2013/01/22/lxc-vs-openvz/ |
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| 00:10.51 | markybob | logan0405, development stopped after shit hit the fan. |
| 00:10.56 | fagbodildage | squinty: you surely did right |
| 00:11.03 | logan0405 | still my favorite linux os |
| 00:11.14 | markybob | logan0405, "You should download and use TrueCrypt only if you are migrating data encrypted by TrueCrypt." |
| 00:11.30 | bugoff | Sander^home_: ? |
| 00:11.39 | Sander^home_ | Containers with little memory footprint. Almost as virtualizing, but only running one kernel. |
| 00:11.43 | c0fe | why would you want to limit I/O? |
| 00:11.46 | markybob | damn i mistyped. i said debian and not truecrypt |
| 00:12.00 | Sander^home_ | bugoff: ^ :-) |
| 00:12.04 | bugoff | Huh? |
| 00:12.07 | c0fe | truecrypt is also secure |
| 00:12.08 | logan0405 | you mean to say you can't guarantee security even with truecrypt, markybob ? for example if your download was infected? |
| 00:12.09 | bugoff | What do I use these "containers" for? |
| 00:12.16 | c0fe | to put stuff in |
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| 00:12.27 | bugoff | Is this for encryption or what? |
| 00:12.29 | bugoff | Is it for VMs? |
| 00:12.33 | bugoff | Why are you mentioning them? |
| 00:12.37 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: well.. you can decide how you want to lock down a program from doing what its not supposed to do. |
| 00:12.51 | cxd13 | do you guys really not see that bugoff is a troll? |
| 00:13.04 | markybob | logan0405, yes. you should use encfs probably |
| 00:13.06 | c0fe | Sander^home_: that sounds like a really bad way of doing that, you can do a lot to limit, I/O though |
| 00:13.16 | squinty | he is also using the nick <VladimirNabokov> to troll oftc |
| 00:13.21 | logan0405 | yeah. i dont ever encrypt stuff, haven't had a real good reason to |
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| 00:13.41 | c0fe | i encrypt all my portable HDD's cause I have a tendency to lose them :P |
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| 00:13.55 | logan0405 | that's a good reason to |
| 00:14.11 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: bugoff: container lockdown part(security) is the cool part:) |
| 00:14.47 | c0fe | i have used docker and that thing is a complex mess |
| 00:14.47 | Sander^home_ | you have a systemcall in lxc for limiting os systemcalls. |
| 00:14.48 | markybob | logan0405, luks or encfs. not truecrypt |
| 00:15.20 | logan0405 | yeah truecrypt seems a little shaky. granted i dont know much about it just posts ive read online |
| 00:15.48 | cxd13 | veracrypt is a pretty popular and maintained fork of truecrypt |
| 00:15.56 | cxd13 | also cross platform |
| 00:16.05 | logan0405 | and how i hear about it getting a bad rap. when people get caught with it while doing illegal stuff for example |
| 00:16.10 | c0fe | logan0405: its secure, probably one of the more secure things out there |
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| 00:16.34 | logan0405 | true c0fe I don't know much about it |
| 00:16.48 | c0fe | it is more secure than GPG |
| 00:17.02 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: bugoff: If dpkg on compile type defines what resources an app will allow to access.. where the maintainer can go in an add external resources. Much like apparmor, But built into dpkg. |
| 00:17.09 | logan0405 | gnu privacy guard |
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| 00:17.14 | logan0405 | first time i googled that |
| 00:17.28 | logan0405 | i thought it was general private key or something lol |
| 00:17.28 | c0fe | logan0405: exactly. so truecrypt is more secure than that |
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| 00:18.04 | c0fe | Sander^home_: i know but it gets very messy with a lot of stuff running in their own containers, that's why i just stick with openvz |
| 00:18.11 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: bugoff microsoft imlemented that kinda security into windows 10 |
| 00:18.30 | c0fe | Sander^home_: i still use windows 7 |
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| 00:18.54 | logan0405 | why not just write your own c program to encrypt via modular addition and a random key file |
| 00:19.01 | logan0405 | unbreakable 100% secure |
| 00:19.08 | logan0405 | and takes like 5 minutes |
| 00:19.14 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: most important thing, is to run firefox inside a container. |
| 00:19.28 | Sander^home_ | chrome already have it, with seccomp. |
| 00:19.41 | Sander^home_ | Under Linux. |
| 00:20.36 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: you have a free upgrade to windows 10, if you trust it. |
| 00:21.11 | c0fe | logan0405: still not proven secure whereas truecrypt has been audited |
| 00:21.24 | Sander^home_ | Who is responsible for dpkg? |
| 00:21.28 | logan0405 | whatcha mean proven secure |
| 00:21.39 | c0fe | Sander^home_: its not that i do not trust it, it is the start menu that bothers me |
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| 00:21.45 | c0fe | logan0405: that it has been audited |
| 00:21.50 | logan0405 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad |
| 00:22.09 | Sander^home_ | c0fe: Agreed. |
| 00:22.09 | logan0405 | yeah but you could literally write that c program in like 20 lines or less |
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| 00:22.59 | c0fe | logan0405: yeah but why? |
| 00:23.02 | cxd13 | logan0405: if encryption was that simple we wouldn't need algorithms and thousands of lines of code in encfs, truecrpt, etc |
| 00:23.13 | cxd13 | i am not a programmer but it doesn't seem like it would be that simple |
| 00:23.32 | markybob | i'm a programmer. it's not that simple :P |
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| 00:24.40 | logan0405 | int i; while(c=getchar() != EOF) putchar(c+key[i++%keylength]); |
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| 00:24.51 | markybob | logan0405, great. go do it. |
| 00:24.59 | logan0405 | ???? |
| 00:25.03 | logan0405 | why the hostility |
| 00:25.14 | logan0405 | and i just did |
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| 00:25.30 | bugoff | Every time I've asked for advice and support on migrating from Windows to Linux, I've met with nothing but gross insults from psychopaths who sit and hover with their fingers over the keyboard 24/7 to harass anyone who tries to have an actual conversation or get questions answered. It keeps turning me away from wanting anything to do with this "community", and Linux is never going to be an alternative with this kind of disgusting |
| 00:25.30 | bugoff | creatures around. Massive privacy violations in Windows 10 is a small price to pay to not have to put up with this shit that you're all about. |
| 00:25.43 | logan0405 | just gtfo |
| 00:25.45 | logan0405 | lol |
| 00:25.50 | bugoff | logan0405!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 00:25.52 | bugoff | Case in point. |
| 00:25.53 | bugoff | Fuck off. |
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| 00:26.01 | cxd13 | !ops bugoff |
| 00:26.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cxd13 complains about: bugoff |
| 00:26.09 | markybob | logan0405, if you think you can do better than encfs with one line...that's a level of incredulity that i can't touch |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | logan0405: please don't escalate things |
| 00:26.37 | logan0405 | with encryption or bugoff? with bugoff sorry |
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| 00:26.45 | logan0405 | but I'm just trying to start a conversation |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | not with "gtfo" ... |
| 00:27.20 | logan0405 | so with encryption? |
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| 00:28.59 | c0fe | i wasn't sure what he was arguing really |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | did the same on OFTC I think |
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| 00:29.24 | fagbodildage | I think he was offended that our community is stupid-resistant, c0fe |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | anyway, moving on ... |
| 00:30.09 | c0fe | what's OFTC stand for? |
| 00:30.48 | markybob | !OFTC |
| 00:30.48 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 00:50.13 | darsie | s/pic/pci |
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| 00:50.19 | darsie | yeah. thx, too. |
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| 00:50.38 | darsie | I needed to "fix" it to find the real mistake. |
| 00:51.02 | darsie | so, onto the actual problem ... |
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| 01:00.01 | shay_shay | need samba help: http://dpaste.com/324E528 |
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| 01:02.30 | shay_shay | http://dpaste.com/10K7VYZ |
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| 01:06.35 | fagbodildage | are all your samba users in order, shay_shay |
| 01:06.37 | fagbodildage | ? |
| 01:07.24 | shay_shay | fagbodildage: the config shows it is mirroring unix users afaik |
| 01:08.59 | darsie | After swich from wheezy/32 to jessie/x86_64 nvidia says it doesn't receive interrupts from my 9500GT. nouveau doesn't find a card. I'm desperate. Here are logs: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp |
| 01:09.58 | darsie | I tried the debian nvidia packages and the nvidia installation file. |
| 01:10.11 | fagbodildage | darsie: if you're using nvidia proprietary you need to blacklist nouveau |
| 01:10.26 | fagbodildage | they conflict |
| 01:10.34 | darsie | I'll try again ... |
| 01:11.08 | darsie | although I tried blacklisting nvidia so vesa works I was still loaded. |
| 01:11.16 | darsie | it* |
| 01:11.55 | shay_shay | man samba config is frikkin hard |
| 01:12.10 | Igel | i have a trick shay_shay |
| 01:12.16 | fagbodildage | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers darsie |
| 01:12.19 | Igel | i shit you not.. do it in webmin |
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| 01:13.25 | Igel | whatever distro webmin version was tested on/requires.. just take the changes and use em. works everytime forced to add smd.. i know no other way other than docker. |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | Don't use webmin |
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| 01:16.29 | darsie | Damnit, now I blacklisted nouveau, did the requested update-initramfs -u and, realizing that might be a good idea, rebooted. I accidently still had nouveau in xorg.conf, and it was used. It's not in lsmod, though. |
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| 01:16.44 | Doyle | Hey, what's the debian equiv of /lib/init/ubstart-job? |
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| 01:17.32 | fagbodildage | sudo service blah start? |
| 01:17.48 | shay_shay | Doyle: what does upstart-job do? |
| 01:18.15 | Doyle | it's upstart in ubuntu... I've installed a package and am left with a dangling simlink |
| 01:18.40 | Doyle | debian 8 |
| 01:18.51 | Doyle | bamboo-server -> /lib/init/upstart-job |
| 01:18.56 | shay_shay | Doyle: you installed a ubuntu package on debian? |
| 01:19.27 | Doyle | Seems they haven't taken builds on debian into account |
| 01:19.52 | Doyle | It's a horrible, dirty, go build that outputs a .deb file |
| 01:19.56 | Doyle | so gross |
| 01:20.01 | shay_shay | Doyle: maybe if you tell us what software you are trying to install we can make a better suggestion |
| 01:20.07 | Doyle | bamboo-server |
| 01:20.13 | Doyle | for mesos |
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| 01:21.28 | Doyle | ah, I see an init script... I'm just doing that. upstart... ugh |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | Doyle: systemctl ? |
| 01:21.35 | fagbodildage | https://confluence.atlassian.com/bamboo/running-bamboo-as-a-linux-service-416056046.html |
| 01:21.50 | fagbodildage | init script in there^ |
| 01:21.59 | Doyle | beauty |
| 01:22.00 | Doyle | ty |
| 01:22.10 | Doyle | I try to be modern, I really do... |
| 01:22.27 | fagbodildage | upstart is not likely to spread beyond ubuntu |
| 01:22.34 | fagbodildage | imho |
| 01:22.40 | Doyle | I hope not |
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| 01:23.10 | Doyle | It has me bent over making frustrated animal noises at my monitor... |
| 01:23.25 | Doyle | some of the time... |
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| 01:23.34 | fagbodildage | giving the neighbours a show... valid community service |
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| 01:23.40 | Doyle | lol |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | upstart is dying .. don't try to use it |
| 01:25.20 | shay_shay | ubuntu already switched to systemd |
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| 01:27.37 | Doyle | Good news. Thanks for that! |
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| 01:38.16 | darsie | fagbodildage: That page fails to load for me atm, but I read it yesterday. Anything particular you want me to try? |
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| 01:39.31 | darsie | I can start X with vesa on my broken computer. |
| 01:39.40 | darsie | to read it |
| 01:39.41 | fagbodildage | darsie: sorry... which page? |
| 01:39.50 | darsie | nvidia wiki |
| 01:40.11 | fagbodildage | ahh, you need to know how to blacklist nouveau? |
| 01:41.04 | darsie | Well, it's in modprobe.d in a file as 'blacklist nouveau' and I updated initrd and rebooted. But the blacklisting doesn't seem to work. |
| 01:41.16 | darsie | hmm, I'll read the wiki ... |
| 01:41.44 | fagbodildage | you've done something like: aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
| 01:42.12 | darsie | yes |
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| 01:42.49 | darsie | I even tried to install the experimental nvidia packages but couldn't due to dependency probems. |
| 01:43.22 | fagbodildage | have you installed nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 01:44.04 | darsie | it's installed. |
| 01:44.07 | fagbodildage | is it a laptop, by the way, specifically one with optimus? |
| 01:44.14 | darsie | I tried many things. |
| 01:45.59 | fagbodildage | sudo update-initramfs -u been done? |
| 01:46.21 | darsie | I'd even appreciate if nouveau worked, although I prefer nvidia, cause I think it has better performance. |
| 01:46.23 | darsie | yes |
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| 01:47.15 | darsie | I don't sudo. I 'su -'. |
| 01:48.35 | darsie | Which package should I file a bug report against? nvidia-driver? |
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| 01:49.03 | fagbodildage | if you don't know you prolly shouldn't file a bug report |
| 01:49.26 | darsie | The worst thing about vesa is the 60 Hz flicker. |
| 01:50.04 | darsie | The slow moving windows is even funny. |
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| 01:55.40 | shay_shay | Woooooo hoooo |
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| 01:55.52 | shay_shay | Got my cups server working |
| 01:56.11 | maazu | shay_shay: you do printing with cups? |
| 01:56.13 | fagbodildage | is this the samba one, shay_shay? |
| 01:56.23 | fagbodildage | with the windows drivers and whatnot? |
| 01:56.24 | shay_shay | Ya |
| 01:56.30 | fagbodildage | what was the issue? |
| 01:56.32 | maazu | shay_shay: windows print driver better |
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| 01:56.51 | shay_shay | Yeah generic postscript drivers |
| 01:57.11 | shay_shay | They are getting automatically shared by samba |
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| 02:07.28 | shay_shay | fagbodildage: the issue was i needed to look at it with fresh eyes |
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| 02:08.41 | fagbodildage | fair enough |
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| 02:11.29 | dvs | !prize shay_shay |
| 02:11.29 | dpkg | gives shay_shay a My Little Pony. |
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| 02:24.10 | fagbodildage | brony lurve |
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| 02:29.51 | HellMind | tr '\r' '\n' < /dev/ttyUSB0 shows %008/7 , but tr '\r' '\n' < /dev/ttyUSB0 > 2.txt , its empty, WHY ? |
| 02:32.25 | darsie | fagbodildage: btw, I'm (re)installing by launching the netboot kernel and init.rd with grub from my boot disk ... |
| 02:32.34 | darsie | boot partition |
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| 02:33.01 | fagbodildage | probably for the best |
| 02:33.24 | fagbodildage | wipe it all out and start fresh armed with new knowledge |
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| 02:38.39 | darsie | wow, my usb drive is sda ... |
| 02:38.47 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:39.08 | darsie | pushing my disks to sdb and sdc |
| 02:40.20 | darsie | should I remove that, or does the installation process use all partition ids? |
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| 02:40.38 | dvs | darsie: The installatioin uses partition ids |
| 02:40.45 | darsie | k |
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| 02:46.00 | Diitto | When I installed debian, I had an 'error'; there were some problems with my WiFi driver firmware being non-free and unavailable, apparently. How do I fix this? The erroneous packages(?) were "rtlwifi/rtl8188efw.bin" and "rtl_nic/rtl18106e-2.fw". |
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| 02:46.45 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 02:46.45 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 02:49.25 | abrotman | Diitto: do you have internet now? |
| 02:49.35 | Diitto | abrotman: I'm dual booting |
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| 03:15.06 | darsie | ok, install finished. As usual it hangs. Adding kernel parameter nomodeset ... |
| 03:15.10 | darsie | fagbodildage: |
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| 03:17.15 | fagbodildage | hi darsie |
| 03:17.19 | fagbodildage | how goes? |
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| 03:18.19 | SHOTbyGUN | soo, if I wanted to start using some kind of signing..? what software I should use? Seahorse looked nice, but does not work (or it is user issue) |
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| 03:18.56 | darsie | fagbodildage: I have graphis, probably vesa ... |
| 03:19.00 | darsie | graphics |
| 03:19.09 | fagbodildage | so you're in X? |
| 03:19.22 | fagbodildage | glxinfo|grep direct |
| 03:19.53 | darsie | gotta install that. |
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| 03:21.12 | darsie | installing apt-file |
| 03:21.19 | darsie | also mc |
| 03:22.27 | darsie | mesa-utils |
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| 03:23.18 | darsie | direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:24.23 | fagbodildage | that's you done then |
| 03:24.43 | fagbodildage | go on and do some actual work |
| 03:24.45 | fagbodildage | ;) |
| 03:25.23 | darsie | ok ... gotta make xorg.conf to set monitor frequencies and resolution. |
| 03:25.45 | fagbodildage | probably don't need xorg.conf |
| 03:25.49 | fagbodildage | you in gnome? |
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| 03:26.14 | darsie | xfce |
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| 03:26.31 | darsie | I'll try gnome. Hope it's better than the gnome3 in wheezy. |
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| 03:26.41 | fagbodildage | just use the tool in xfce |
| 03:26.46 | Geo | Hi, is it correct to say systemd is 'part of the kernel' ? |
| 03:26.51 | darsie | Didn't want to have too many packages in the install now. |
| 03:26.52 | fagbodildage | try to stay focussed |
| 03:27.14 | darsie | fagbodildage: But my CRT doesn't have EDID. |
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| 03:27.40 | darsie | 61 Hz is the only frequency there. |
| 03:27.57 | fagbodildage | oh well, as you see fit |
| 03:28.15 | fagbodildage | Xorg --configure while X is not running |
| 03:28.32 | fagbodildage | should generate a basic xorg.conf for you to work from |
| 03:28.46 | fagbodildage | remember, back it up before you hand edit it |
| 03:29.32 | darsie | I can always do X -configure again. |
| 03:29.50 | fagbodildage | get in the habit of backing up files before you edit them |
| 03:29.59 | fagbodildage | it is good practice |
| 03:30.04 | somiaj | Geo: no, systemd uses features in the kernel, but the init system is not part of the kernel. |
| 03:30.28 | Geo | somiaj: thank you |
| 03:30.37 | Geo | what would you call it, then? |
| 03:30.42 | Geo | just a program? |
| 03:30.46 | somiaj | Geo: not on jessie you can run a linux kernel with out using systemd |
| 03:31.05 | somiaj | Geo: init is a very key program that basically pid 1 for a reason. |
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| 03:31.14 | Guest80960 | hi |
| 03:31.21 | fagbodildage | hi Guest80960 |
| 03:31.30 | Guest80960 | what is this place? |
| 03:31.37 | darsie | fagbodildage: thx for making me see the 60 Hz graphics I always got after install is not that bad. |
| 03:31.51 | fagbodildage | hehe yw |
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| 03:33.14 | Guest80960 | what do people normally use this channel for? |
| 03:33.46 | fagbodildage | Guest80960: /topic |
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| 03:33.58 | somiaj | Guest80960: this channel is for support fo the debian operatingin system. |
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| 03:34.12 | darsie | Guest80960: It's about debian GNU/Linux. |
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| 03:36.36 | darsie | fagbodildage: OTOH X -configure fails and it doesn't work with the xorg.conf it creates. |
| 03:38.15 | darsie | Hmm, it works if I remove the driver from xorg.conf. |
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| 03:40.29 | pistache | is there no package for graphically configuring mouse settings in Debian ? |
| 03:40.47 | pistache | gpointing-device-settings was removed from Jessie, and I can't anything to replace it |
| 03:41.14 | darsie | pistache: That's probably part of window managers like gnome, kde, xfce. |
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| 03:42.45 | pistache | xfce4-mouse-settings is uneffective in Jessie (at least on my machine) |
| 03:43.08 | pistache | In Jessie we were able to configure the mouse without having to install gnome or kde |
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| 03:43.35 | pistache | I guess this changed, and tiling WMs users will have to go back to editing xorg.conf by hand |
| 03:43.51 | pistache | or fix gpointing-device-settings |
| 03:44.02 | pistache | looks like the build is failing and it got autoremoved from jessie |
| 03:44.20 | aypea[3] | pistache: wfm |
| 03:44.48 | pistache | aypea[3]: xfce4-mouse-settings ? |
| 03:44.54 | aypea[3] | pistache: just started it and flipped mouse buttons with it |
| 03:45.12 | pistache | here it doesn't apply the changes and they get reverted when I restart it |
| 03:45.31 | pistache | aypea[3]: what DE/WM are you using ? |
| 03:45.55 | fagbodildage | darsie: X -configure? do you mean Xorg --configure? |
| 03:46.02 | aypea[3] | pistache: xfce4 with sawfish |
| 03:46.04 | fagbodildage | it won't work if you are running X |
| 03:46.23 | darsie | fagbodildage: Seems to do the same |
| 03:46.23 | pistache | ok so I guess the mouse settings only work if I'm actually using XFCE's full stack |
| 03:46.37 | pistache | I must be missing some brick |
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| 03:46.47 | aypea[3] | pistache: seems like a fair bet :) |
| 03:46.58 | aypea[3] | pistache: I just installed the xfce4 task and moved on with life |
| 03:46.58 | pistache | anyway, installing gpointing-device-settings from oldstable works, so I'll just go fix my sources.list :) |
| 03:47.16 | pistache | ah, yes, I could go that way too |
| 03:47.23 | pistache | no compat problems when using other WMs ? |
| 03:47.55 | fagbodildage | darsie: does it output to the screen or to /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 03:48.10 | aypea[3] | pistache: sawfish is working well |
| 03:48.22 | fagbodildage | darsie: you may have to do Xorg --configure>/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:48.30 | darsie | fagbodildage: /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 03:48.31 | aypea[3] | pistache: just remember to kill xfwm4 and, possibly, xfdesktop. |
| 03:48.33 | fagbodildage | remember to backup xorg.conf |
| 03:48.53 | darsie | fagbodildage: And messages to the console. |
| 03:49.06 | fagbodildage | darsie: that's why it doesn't work, you need to cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:49.15 | darsie | I did. |
| 03:49.33 | fagbodildage | so what do you mean "it doesn't work"? |
| 03:50.01 | darsie | And I have 1600x1200 now, but still 60 Hz, even though xfce says it's 86 Hz. |
| 03:50.24 | fagbodildage | sounds good |
| 03:50.31 | fagbodildage | sounds work-y? |
| 03:50.45 | darsie | fagbodildage: X fails unless I remove the nouveau driver line. |
| 03:51.06 | darsie | 60 Hz hurts on a CRT. |
| 03:51.21 | fagbodildage | are you using the nouveau driver? |
| 03:51.27 | fagbodildage | or the nvidia driver? |
| 03:51.39 | darsie | Dunno. It only works without driver definition. |
| 03:51.52 | darsie | I haven't tried other drivers. |
| 03:52.02 | fagbodildage | did you install the nvidia driver yet? |
| 03:52.05 | darsie | I didn't install nvidia. |
| 03:52.11 | fagbodildage | ahhh |
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| 03:52.35 | fagbodildage | as I said, you really wanted to do that first... before starting to mess about |
| 03:52.47 | fagbodildage | you need to stay focussed on what you are trying to do |
| 03:53.08 | fagbodildage | which aiui was trying to get the nvidia driver (proprietary) working |
| 03:53.15 | fagbodildage | certainly that's where I came in |
| 03:53.46 | darsie | fagbodildage: I'm tired of achieving that. |
| 03:53.52 | fagbodildage | your card is older, however, so you may get acceptable performance from nouveau |
| 03:53.56 | darsie | trying* |
| 03:54.14 | darsie | looks like it's the vesa driver at work ... |
| 03:54.31 | fagbodildage | you should forget about xorg.conf for now |
| 03:54.41 | fagbodildage | and go back to the debian how to nvidia |
| 03:54.53 | fagbodildage | it's like an edit and two commands then a reboot |
| 03:55.04 | pistache | aypea[3]: ok thanks |
| 03:55.10 | darsie | You still have hope ... |
| 03:55.24 | fagbodildage | less since you've been messing about, though |
| 03:55.29 | darsie | but hey, I have direct rendering. |
| 03:55.38 | fagbodildage | yes, that's where I'd leave it for now |
| 03:55.51 | darsie | you changed your mind. |
| 03:55.59 | fagbodildage | count it as a success |
| 03:56.00 | aypea[3] | pistache: and fwiw I used xfce's app autostart from session and startup to start sawfish |
| 03:56.14 | darsie | But I need >60 Hz. |
| 03:56.20 | fagbodildage | I'm presuming you're getting tired, tired minds make mistakes and can't remember them |
| 03:56.33 | fagbodildage | very hard situation to troubleshoot over IRC |
| 03:56.36 | pistache | this seems like a good compromise |
| 03:56.54 | darsie | It's only 5:55 am ;). |
| 03:57.11 | darsie | I was up till 9 am yesterday. |
| 03:57.15 | fagbodildage | so you're in Europe |
| 03:57.18 | darsie | yes |
| 03:57.19 | fagbodildage | UK here |
| 03:57.30 | fagbodildage | so only 4:57 |
| 03:57.35 | fagbodildage | and I had my doughnuts |
| 03:57.50 | aypea[3] | pistache: makes life simple. gdm3 start the session manager, which is xfce4 and that starts all else. |
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| 04:00.38 | darsie | fagbodildage: What driver am I using? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/Xorg.0.log.olg.nodriver.txt ? |
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| 04:01.03 | darsie | fagbodildage: What driver am I using? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/Xorg.0.log.old.nodriver.txt ? |
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| 04:06.40 | fagbodildage | darsie appears to be nouveau |
| 04:07.37 | darsie | strange. Why won't it work, then, when I put driver "nouveau"? |
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| 04:07.51 | fagbodildage | does it work without an xorg.conf? |
| 04:08.07 | darsie | yes, but not at 1600x1200. |
| 04:08.34 | monikers | hi |
| 04:08.38 | darsie | My monitor doesn't have EDID. |
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| 04:09.11 | fagbodildage | how old is the monitor? just out of curiousity, can't even remember when I last saw a CRT |
| 04:09.28 | lubarch | how to get full screen resolution in virtualbox |
| 04:09.47 | darsie | Dunno. Got it used from ebay. Philips Brilliance 201B. |
| 04:09.55 | lubarch | CRT is dangerous |
| 04:10.03 | bazhang | try #vbox lubarch |
| 04:10.16 | fagbodildage | lubarch: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html |
| 04:10.21 | darsie | IRC is dangerous. |
| 04:10.41 | fagbodildage | true, though, CRT will fry your balls |
| 04:11.27 | darsie | Hey, it's actually radioactive. A little. |
| 04:11.49 | lubarch | actually all other distros have full screen in vbox but debian is not |
| 04:11.55 | fagbodildage | mainly alpha radiation, shouldn't get past your scrotum |
| 04:12.07 | fagbodildage | lubarch: did you read that link? |
| 04:12.11 | darsie | alpha comes with gamma. |
| 04:12.21 | darsie | Otherwise my geiger counter couldn't detect it. |
| 04:13.15 | lubarch | thnx fagbodildage |
| 04:13.44 | fagbodildage | no worries, lubarch |
| 04:13.55 | fagbodildage | darsie: you at CERN? |
| 04:14.21 | darsie | no, Vienna. |
| 04:14.26 | fagbodildage | nice |
| 04:14.40 | fagbodildage | good Art and Culture thereabouts |
| 04:14.53 | darsie | I do chemistry, computers, electronics. I'm mediocre at each of them. |
| 04:15.35 | darsie | Hey, it seems to be the vesa driver. Seems to be the same when I put that in xorg.conf. |
| 04:16.06 | aypea[3] | hey. how do I disable console screen blanking in jessie? I have BLANK_TIME in /etc/kbd/config set to 0 but it's not doing it |
| 04:16.14 | darsie | Maybe the vesa driver can't change frequencies. |
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| 04:16.44 | lubarch | aypea, xset s off |
| 04:16.51 | fagbodildage | darsie: actually you are right, just noticed a WW warning in that log you posted "couldn't open module nv" |
| 04:16.56 | aypea[3] | lubarch: console, not X |
| 04:17.12 | darsie | Yeah, nv is not there any more. |
| 04:17.24 | darsie | There's nouveau instead, IMHO. |
| 04:17.26 | lubarch | ohh sorry |
| 04:17.32 | aypea[3] | lubarch: no worries :) |
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| 04:18.28 | darsie | 300 FPS glxgears with vesa driver ... |
| 04:20.37 | fagbodildage | aypea[3]: try /etc/kbd/config BLANK_TIME=0 |
| 04:20.44 | fagbodildage | also see POWERDOWN_TIME |
| 04:20.52 | aypea[3] | fagbodildage:the first thing is what I have |
| 04:21.03 | fagbodildage | then /etc/init.d/kbd restart |
| 04:21.12 | darsie | drops to 11 fps if I move the shell window slowly and 0 fps if I move it fast. |
| 04:21.42 | aypea[3] | fagbodildage: it boots with that setting and still blanks out |
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| 04:22.00 | darsie | fagbodildage: Should I try to get nouveau or nvidia working? |
| 04:22.17 | fagbodildage | darsie: I'd try for nvidia |
| 04:22.36 | fagbodildage | you're going to eventually anyway, so the nouveau would just be wasted effort |
| 04:23.00 | darsie | ok. But will that mess up my attempts for nouveau? |
| 04:23.01 | fagbodildage | aypea[3]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138918/how-do-i-disable-the-blank-console-screensaver-on-ubuntu-server |
| 04:23.24 | fagbodildage | darsie: you're only going to have one of them, or the other, never both |
| 04:23.47 | darsie | so I can still try nouveau later? |
| 04:23.47 | aypea[3] | fagbodildage: ah! the sledgehammer approach. one step above how I disable beeps :) |
| 04:24.00 | fagbodildage | aypea[3]: that gives a boot option, but later on there is setterm -blank 0 |
| 04:24.05 | fagbodildage | for doing it without a reboot |
| 04:24.23 | fagbodildage | you could also add that to your |
| 04:24.34 | aypea[3] | fagbodildage: this all worked with wheezy without a boot option. seems things have changed for the slightly more annoying |
| 04:24.37 | fagbodildage | bashrc |
| 04:25.02 | aypea[3] | bashrc wont help. don't want it blanking even at the login prompt. |
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| 04:27.29 | fagbodildage | aypea[3]: you could add setterm -blank 0 to rc.local |
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| 04:28.22 | fagbodildage | aypea[3]: quite a full discussion here: http://superuser.com/questions/152347/change-linux-console-screen-blanking-behavior |
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| 04:29.31 | aypea[3] | fagbodildage: that's from 2010. something happened between wheezy and jessie or my boot setup is broken |
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| 04:30.23 | fagbodildage | afaics it has long been a kernel parameter |
| 04:30.27 | aypea[3] | ah |
| 04:30.37 | fagbodildage | defaults have quite likely changed over time, though |
| 04:30.38 | aypea[3] | it's complaining about the lack of $TERM during boot-time. |
| 04:30.46 | aypea[3] | looks like kbd uses setterm |
| 04:30.48 | aypea[3] | sigh :/ |
| 04:31.24 | aypea[3] | wonder if that's my breakage or kbd's |
| 04:31.37 | aypea[3] | n/m. screen just blanked after kbd restart |
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| 04:32.57 | aypea[3] | so I'm just gonna go with kbd being broken |
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| 04:36.20 | darsie | fagbodildage: I installed irssi, lynx, gpm, mc |
| 04:36.54 | darsie | and kdm |
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| 04:42.21 | fagbodildage | irssi is teh glorious |
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| 04:44.59 | fagbodildage | darsie: what was the monitor model number again, just want to check something |
| 04:46.17 | darsie | Dunno. Got it used from ebay. Philips Brilliance 201B. |
| 04:47.41 | darsie | 21B582BH |
| 04:50.43 | darsie | fagbodildage: The nvidia kernel module doesn't receive interrupts from the GPU. |
| 04:51.04 | fagbodildage | your card is properly seated? |
| 04:51.15 | darsie | It's working otherwise. |
| 04:51.24 | darsie | It works with wheezy. |
| 04:51.36 | darsie | with the nvidia.com driver. |
| 04:51.40 | fagbodildage | it was an 8600gt, wasn't it? |
| 04:51.50 | darsie | 9500GT |
| 04:51.58 | fagbodildage | ok |
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| 04:54.54 | darsie | I'll look into the bios ... |
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| 04:56.28 | fagbodildage | darsie: from my reading it appears you can blacklist the nouveau driver as a kernel parameter |
| 04:56.35 | fagbodildage | this might be of assistance |
| 04:56.58 | fagbodildage | edit /etc/default/grub and change the line |
| 04:56.58 | fagbodildage | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nouveau.blacklist=1 quiet splash" |
| 04:57.11 | fagbodildage | then update-grub2 |
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| 04:58.10 | darsie | ok ... |
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| 04:59.37 | fagbodildage | darsie: you used nvidia-detect, at all, yet? |
| 04:59.42 | darsie | Plug&Play O/S 'no', Resources controlled by auto (not manual), Assign IRC for VGA enabled, PIC Express relative items: maximum payload size 4096. |
| 05:00.01 | darsie | fagbodildage: I did. It recommended nvidia-driver |
| 05:00.14 | fagbodildage | coolio, just wanted to be sure on that |
| 05:00.30 | darsie | PIC* |
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| 05:01.17 | darsie | PCI*, damn |
| 05:01.23 | fagbodildage | so you add contrib and non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude install nvidia-driver |
| 05:01.45 | darsie | no, I did the complex aptitude install |
| 05:01.45 | fagbodildage | should pull down linux-headers and nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:02.01 | fagbodildage | the sed one? |
| 05:02.05 | darsie | yes |
| 05:02.40 | fagbodildage | ok, that should pull down everything, then a reboot to let the grub kernel option get applied on the blacklist |
| 05:02.44 | fagbodildage | should be all good |
| 05:02.48 | fagbodildage | _should_ |
| 05:02.55 | fagbodildage | or it'll break it again... |
| 05:03.29 | darsie | I could disable serial and parallel port to save IRQs. |
| 05:04.03 | fagbodildage | if you think it'll help |
| 05:04.26 | fagbodildage | though the last time I had to worry about IRQs was DOS 6.22 |
| 05:04.54 | darsie | Dunno. nvidia.com said stuff like not share IRQs, perhaps move the card to a different slot... |
| 05:05.21 | fagbodildage | no reason not to try it then, eliminate a possible source of conflict |
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| 05:11.30 | darsie | no interrupts |
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| 05:12.32 | darsie | I'm verifying I have the nvidia driver working in wheezy ... |
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| 05:13.48 | fagbodildage | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.03 | fagbodildage | must admit that's almost greek to me, make sense to you? |
| 05:14.26 | darsie | yep, nvidia works in debian 6.0.4 |
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| 05:15.20 | fagbodildage | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NVidia/nvidia-drivers#Driver_fails_to_initialize_when_MSI_interrupts_are_enabled |
| 05:15.22 | darsie | at 6300 FPS glxgears. |
| 05:15.30 | fagbodildage | that might be your fix^ |
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| 05:16.09 | darsie | drops to 3800 FPS when I move the shell window quickly. |
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| 05:16.47 | fagbodildage | basically, if tl;dr, to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf add "options nvidia NVreg_EnableMSI=0" |
| 05:17.11 | darsie | ok ... |
| 05:17.16 | fagbodildage | yep, you'd expect ferps in the thousands with glxgears |
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| 05:19.29 | darsie | initrd update? reboot? |
| 05:19.32 | fagbodildage | lawdie I hope this fixes it |
| 05:19.57 | fagbodildage | update the initrd just for completeness, prolly unneccsry |
| 05:20.00 | fagbodildage | then reboot |
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| 05:21.57 | darsie | no interrupts |
| 05:22.19 | fagbodildage | could you /msg me your /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf? |
| 05:22.32 | darsie | sure ... |
| 05:22.37 | fagbodildage | and the "no interrupts error" verbatim |
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| 05:25.20 | fagbodildage | or pastebin, in case anyone else is attentive |
| 05:25.56 | darsie | http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp |
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| 05:27.01 | darsie | nvidia.conf is a symlink |
| 05:27.13 | fagbodildage | ok, well we seem to have made some progress, at least the nouveau driver is being properly blacklisted |
| 05:27.14 | darsie | hmm |
| 05:27.22 | fagbodildage | ls -lah to follow the symlink |
| 05:27.42 | fagbodildage | though you can still cat it |
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| 05:31.14 | darsie | http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp |
| 05:31.32 | darsie | more .txt ... |
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| 05:33.28 | fagbodildage | that second line doesn't look good |
| 05:33.48 | fagbodildage | rmmod is the opposite of what we want to be doing |
| 05:33.55 | darsie | I didn't do that. |
| 05:33.57 | fagbodildage | give me a minute to go googling |
| 05:34.02 | fagbodildage | yeah, I figured |
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| 05:36.03 | fagbodildage | can you see if you have /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-common-kernel.conf or similar |
| 05:36.15 | fagbodildage | basically anything nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 05:36.28 | darsie | yes |
| 05:38.31 | fagbodildage | ok from what I'm seeing in my system your nvidia.conf is ok, the rmmod stuff shouldn't be problemmatic |
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| 05:39.43 | fagbodildage | any errors if you "modprobe nvidia"? |
| 05:40.54 | fagbodildage | though that may fail, if so try nvidia-current |
| 05:41.09 | darsie | http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp |
| 05:41.56 | darsie | no errors. no output. |
| 05:42.24 | darsie | ok, got output after rmmod. |
| 05:42.46 | darsie | looks good |
| 05:44.31 | darsie | see modprobe.txt in /temp |
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| 05:46.07 | darsie | no error, but nvidia-current won't load. |
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| 05:46.14 | darsie | no output |
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| 05:47.00 | fagbodildage | so nvidia module is loading, do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 05:47.12 | darsie | yes |
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| 05:47.19 | fagbodildage | if so mv to xorg.conf.bak and try starting X |
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| 05:48.05 | darsie | no xorg.conf? |
| 05:48.18 | phuzion | Where might I go to request that a package be updated? |
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| 05:49.30 | darsie | vesa: ignoring devices with a bound kernel driver |
| 05:49.44 | darsie | no screens found |
| 05:50.00 | darsie | vesa only works when I rmmod nvidia |
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| 05:51.15 | darsie | EE [drm] KMS not enabled |
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| 05:53.00 | darsie | *yawn* |
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| 05:56.02 | darsie | Hehe, all this time I'm chatting with a minimalistic web browser from a 35 MB mini distro on USB drive which I have removed and overwritten hours ago :). |
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| 05:57.40 | darsie | on a nettop without battery, with the power supply connected with crocodile leads to mains, cause I don't have a US->Euro plug adapter. |
| 05:58.30 | Diitto | When I try to boot into Debian, I go straight to the Windows boot manager instead of GRUB. Only when using F9 can I access it. How can I prioritize GRUB over Windows' boot manager? |
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| 05:59.24 | darsie | Diitto: Perhaps put grub in the MBR? |
| 05:59.56 | Diitto | darsie: Isn't it already there when I install it? If not, how do I do this? |
| 05:59.58 | darsie | of your boot drive |
| 06:00.15 | darsie | grub-install /dev/sda or so |
| 06:00.30 | darsie | not sda1 |
| 06:00.38 | Diitto | oh |
| 06:00.39 | Diitto | ok |
| 06:00.41 | Diitto | thanks |
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| 06:00.43 | darsie | yw |
| 06:02.47 | darsie | fagbodildage: You still there? |
| 06:03.16 | darsie | I need to go shopping. |
| 06:03.19 | fagbodildage | darsie: sorry |
| 06:03.32 | fagbodildage | was rebooting, kernel module rebuilding and such |
| 06:03.40 | fagbodildage | will be here for a while yet |
| 06:03.50 | darsie | I'll sleep later. |
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| 06:03.56 | fagbodildage | but probably not past 10 or so your time |
| 06:04.13 | darsie | I'll just cry :). |
| 06:04.33 | fagbodildage | I think you may have exhausted my google fu |
| 06:05.00 | darsie | Any idea against which package I should file a bug report? |
| 06:05.21 | fagbodildage | the MSI thing is definitely important, but it doesn't seem to be applied... think you might need to add it to the other nvidia file in /etc/modprobe.d/ other than nvidia.conf |
| 06:05.28 | fagbodildage | not a clue |
| 06:05.46 | fagbodildage | though if we could narrow that down, we might find a bug report to peruse... |
| 06:05.48 | darsie | I'll try nvidia-driver, then. |
| 06:06.13 | darsie | The maintainer can reassign it. |
| 06:06.50 | darsie | thanks a lot for your effort. |
| 06:07.03 | darsie | I'll see if I see you later. |
| 06:08.13 | fagbodildage | coolio |
| 06:08.23 | darsie | Now I'll try what happens if I launch something else from that unplugged distro ... |
| 06:08.28 | darsie | bye |
| 06:08.33 | fagbodildage | sorry I wasn't more help... but at least I was company ;) |
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| 06:08.56 | darsie | Yeah, I couldn't go on any more by myself. |
| 06:09.27 | darsie | It's loading other apps. amazing |
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| 06:26.23 | fagbodildage | what's loading other apps? |
| 06:26.39 | fagbodildage | just encountered my first kernel bug |
| 06:26.59 | fagbodildage | to do with nvidia drivers also; cause of distraction |
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| 07:15.32 | wubbla | Hi! I'm unable to enable core dumps in debian jessie for dovecot. The I want to do this is that dovecot reproducibly crashes when a user accesses a particular folder (e.g., dovecot[6189]: imap(userid): Fatal: master: service(imap): child 6264 killed with signal 11 (core not dumped))... |
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| 07:17.55 | wubbla | I've already added a LimitCORE=infinity to /lib/systemd/system/dovecot.service, /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is set to /var/lib/coredumps/core-%e-sig%s-user%u-group%g-pid%p-time%t and /var/lib/coredumps exists... |
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| 07:19.40 | fagbodildage | I'd tend to ask in #dovecot wubbla, unless you know for sure it is a debian issue |
| 07:19.51 | wubbla | "systemctl show dovecot | grep CORE" yields LimitCORE=18446744073709551615 |
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| 07:21.20 | wubbla | fagbodildage: hmm... that's the question. I'm not sure if this is a systemd, dovecot and/or debian issue... :) |
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| 07:23.19 | fagbodildage | well, certainly ask in #dovecot as well, don't mean "go away" I am googling around it |
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| 07:23.27 | wubbla | fagbodildage: I'll try my luck in #dovecot, thanks! |
| 07:24.06 | fagbodildage | no reason not to ask in #systemd too, ;) |
| 07:25.32 | fagbodildage | wubbla: /var/run/dovecot/ligin is writable by the dovecot user? |
| 07:25.43 | fagbodildage | s/ligin/login |
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| 07:29.36 | wubbla | fagbodildage: drwxr-x--- 2 root dovenull |
| 07:30.05 | wubbla | fagbodildage: the funny thing is, that the crash happens only for a particular user... |
| 07:30.53 | fagbodildage | but to get to the root of that issue you need to be able to enable coredumps, correct? |
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| 07:33.42 | wubbla | fagbodildage: exactly... |
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| 07:37.13 | fagbodildage | wubbla: this thread is quite old, but the second message in it has some suggestions? http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2010-August/052072.html |
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| 07:39.39 | wubbla | ah... I just found the reason: /var/lib/coredumps was not writable for the dovecot user... :) |
| 07:39.48 | fagbodildage | yay |
| 07:40.10 | fagbodildage | I can go to bed with a clear conscience now |
| 07:40.19 | wubbla | fagbodildage: thanks anyway :) |
| 07:40.24 | fagbodildage | no worries |
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| 07:55.37 | evilbug | so it's been decided, i shall keep ubuntu for desktop but servers i'll move over to debian. |
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| 07:58.45 | darxmurf | good choice |
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| 08:07.41 | RoyK | evilbug: good choice if you ask me. I made the same decision a couple of years back |
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| 08:09.00 | evilbug | i've been using ubuntu on and off for years now, decided on trying out debian, but i really would like the immediate hardware support ubuntu offers. |
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| 08:09.11 | evilbug | especially since i'm looking to assemble a custom pc. |
| 08:10.03 | RoyK | evilbug: I built a new home server a year back or so, and debian worked, I just had to get a newer kernel |
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| 08:10.42 | RoyK | that is, using a temporary NIC since the onboard wasn't supported in the standard kernel |
| 08:10.57 | evilbug | gotcha. |
| 08:11.06 | evilbug | well... |
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| 08:13.23 | evilbug | that's my eeepc home server which i'll probably switch to a raspberry pi in the future. |
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| 08:14.35 | RoyK | an rpi doesn't have much cpu, though, even though it's clocked decently, it's way slower than most x64 stuff |
| 08:15.07 | RoyK | has jessie running happily on a pi2 |
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| 08:15.53 | evilbug | yeah, my home server doesn't handle anything extremely heavy :) |
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| 08:34.56 | korhojoa | you know what's a pain in the ass? realizing that to build a kernel for an embedded system you have to build the entire image first due to build dependancies |
| 08:35.40 | korhojoa | so to add modules which weren't build or provided as a package, you have to dedicate ~6 hours and 50+gb of disk space |
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| 08:45.25 | ewew | korhojoa Use ccache |
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| 08:47.02 | korhojoa | bitbake already does |
| 08:47.12 | korhojoa | so it does speed it up a lot after the first compile |
| 08:47.38 | korhojoa | but it's still fucked that you need 50+gb of space for a <10mb binary |
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| 08:50.04 | xingu | on the plus side you're only trying to build for one target. |
| 08:50.26 | Iridos | also fucked up is writing dependancies instead of dependencies... but do we complain? |
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| 08:51.12 | flokuehn | hi. is there a way to find out why some packages have unmet dependencies? I try to install smbclient in jessie |
| 08:51.50 | ewew | do you clean after compile ? It is possible that this affects the compilation with ccache. |
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| 08:53.26 | GPenguin | hello, does anyone know a channel where i could ask questions related to licenses? |
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| 08:55.40 | flokuehn | never mind. solved |
| 08:55.55 | korhojoa | Iridos: haha, yes, i know. i mess that one up all the time. |
| 08:56.41 | korhojoa | ewew: i don't really touch the build system, I just know it builds cleanly when i don't fiddle with it. |
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| 09:01.09 | ATrA_x | hi |
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| 09:01.47 | ATrA_x | how much it takes a default installation of Debian 8 with the Gnome environment (just the typical software)? |
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| 09:03.58 | RoyK | ATrA_x: a gig or two? |
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| 09:04.05 | Iridos | flokuehn, aptitude why-not <package> can sometimes be useful... (but often not so much) |
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| 09:04.25 | ATrA_x | RoyK: just 2GB ok thank you |
| 09:04.47 | RoyK | ATrA_x: better try in a VM first - shouldn't take too long |
| 09:04.52 | ATrA_x | is there a way to calculate from the command line ? I mean get the size of the system (not user files ) |
| 09:04.59 | ATrA_x | RoyK: thank you :) |
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| 09:05.36 | ewew | ATrA_x Use apt-cacher. if you install second time it will take the packages from apt-cacher. |
| 09:06.24 | Iridos | ATrA_x, I usually need ~20G |
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| 09:06.37 | ATrA_x | ewew: Iridos thank you :) |
| 09:06.52 | Iridos | we must also have a factoid on it |
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| 09:08.19 | Iridos | curious, seems we don't... but I guess it's because the answer isn't so well defined |
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| 09:08.54 | Iridos | actually, I seem to be using 24G right now... |
| 09:09.16 | RoyK | Iridos: I guess that's a bit more than just the base install? ;) |
| 09:09.26 | Iridos | well, yes |
| 09:09.36 | Iridos | I install everything I like or am curious about :) |
| 09:09.48 | Iridos | but even the full gnome metapackage is quite a bit more than a base install... so... |
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| 09:11.00 | Iridos | dpkg, minimal install |
| 09:11.00 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 09:11.39 | Iridos | ATrA_x, ^^ see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 - it doesn't give sizes, but minimum hardware requirements... |
| 09:12.12 | ewew | dpkg May i ask why is in basic debian instalation exim4 ? |
| 09:12.14 | dpkg | ewew: okay |
| 09:12.35 | Iridos | dpkg, forget May i ask why |
| 09:12.35 | dpkg | Iridos: i forgot may i ask why |
| 09:12.45 | Iridos | ewew, it's a bot |
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| 09:13.20 | ewew | I am talking to a machine ? |
| 09:13.34 | screamindynomit | im haveing a bit of an issue with /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb |
| 09:13.43 | Iridos | you were actually even programming a new factoid into it.... please don't do that |
| 09:13.55 | screamindynomit | lol |
| 09:14.39 | screamindynomit | i keep getting this ==> dpkg: warning: subprocess old post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:14.42 | screamindynomit | dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 09:14.42 | screamindynomit | that |
| 09:14.42 | dpkg | screamindynomit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 09:14.45 | screamindynomit | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb (--install): subprocess new post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:14.45 | dpkg | screamindynomit: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:14.48 | screamindynomit | dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed pre-installation script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:14.48 | dpkg | screamindynomit: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 09:15.02 | screamindynomit | lol |
| 09:15.14 | Iridos | screamindynomit, don't play with the bot |
| 09:15.15 | RoyK | ewew: I don't know why exim is the default, but I do know that it's very easy to apt-get install postfix, and that gets exim kicked out ;) |
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| 09:15.58 | screamindynomit | (Reading database ... 83038 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 09:15.59 | ewew | exim4 is instaled in fresh instalation and i did not give a command to install it. |
| 09:16.01 | screamindynomit | Preparing to replace libc6:armhf 2.13-38+rpi2+deb7u8 (using .../libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb) ... |
| 09:16.04 | screamindynomit | Checking for services that may need to be restarted... |
| 09:16.06 | screamindynomit | Checking init scripts... |
| 09:16.09 | screamindynomit | Unpacking replacement libc6:armhf ... |
| 09:16.11 | screamindynomit | dpkg: warning: subprocess old post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:16.12 | dpkg | screamindynomit: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:16.13 | RoyK | !pastebin |
| 09:16.14 | screamindynomit | dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 09:16.15 | dpkg | screamindynomit: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 09:16.17 | screamindynomit | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb (--install): subprocess new post-removal script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:16.17 | dpkg | screamindynomit: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:16.20 | screamindynomit | dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess installed pre-installation script was killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 09:16.20 | dpkg | screamindynomit: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request |
| 09:16.21 | Iridos | screamindynomit, STOP |
| 09:16.23 | screamindynomit | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.19-18_armhf.deb |
| 09:16.35 | Iridos | use paste.debian.net for that |
| 09:16.50 | screamindynomit | lollol i tryed /msg dpkg pastebin it diddnt stick |
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| 09:20.32 | screamindynomit | i cant get a browser open its a sideeffect of my problem |
| 09:21.02 | fennesz | Hello ! is there a way I can search multiple pdf files for a word ? I am on Jessie 8 64 bit. Thank you ! |
| 09:21.49 | screamindynomit | i knew how to do that but i forgot |
| 09:23.03 | screamindynomit | but yes there is a way |
| 09:23.13 | RoyK | !pastebinit |
| 09:23.13 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 09:23.19 | RoyK | screamindynomit: that§s a better way |
| 09:23.40 | thenewone | Hi guys i wanna install libressl |
| 09:23.43 | thenewone | how can i do it |
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| 09:24.44 | s7r | want to change the user limits for max allowed open files. who can help? |
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| 09:25.27 | thenewone | do you have sudo ? |
| 09:25.35 | thenewone | add your user to wheel |
| 09:25.49 | thenewone | with sudo that will be fine |
| 09:26.34 | MikeSeth | so I am thinking of creating a live usb security terminal box |
| 09:26.43 | Iridos | fennesz, there's pgrep |
| 09:27.05 | Iridos | fennesz, errr, sorry. that's processes... pdfgrep |
| 09:27.09 | MikeSeth | encrypted fs, 2fa auth to connect to high security VPNs |
| 09:27.12 | MikeSeth | thoughts anyone? |
| 09:27.25 | thenewone | wow |
| 09:27.31 | thenewone | how can we do that :D |
| 09:27.42 | thenewone | that will help for companys .. |
| 09:28.08 | MikeSeth | uh, you mean a security terminal? |
| 09:28.12 | thenewone | ya |
| 09:28.20 | MikeSeth | should be fairly trivial |
| 09:28.22 | thenewone | is it complicated for new users or not ? |
| 09:28.29 | Iridos | s7r, edit /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 09:28.34 | MikeSeth | well, you'll probably spend some time with dmcrypt |
| 09:28.53 | ewew | It depend on what you consider secure. |
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| 09:30.14 | MikeSeth | ewew: encrypted root fs, restrictive internal firewall, OS hardening, secondary auth with like Yubikey |
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| 09:30.29 | MikeSeth | I have an old laptop, it'd be a good fit |
| 09:30.35 | MikeSeth | could even use trusted boot |
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| 09:32.28 | ewew | First rule is to not tell anybody. |
| 09:32.32 | s7r | Iridos: that doesn't work. |
| 09:32.40 | Iridos | fennesz, mind that not all pdf files are searchable, because some contain the text as pictures |
| 09:32.47 | s7r | I have edited it but doesn't work |
| 09:32.53 | MikeSeth | ewew: uh, actually, Kerchkoff and all that |
| 09:33.15 | Iridos | s7r, it does, but only on newly logged in users. your existing users still have the old limits |
| 09:33.41 | MikeSeth | my security criteria in this specific case is a separate and isolated secure box on my home network that is used to talk to production systems |
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| 09:34.15 | MikeSeth | unless somebody wants to sneak into my house and install a hardware keylogger in the laptop, I'm good |
| 09:34.24 | Iridos | MikeSeth, already did |
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| 09:34.36 | MikeSeth | no you didn't |
| 09:34.44 | Iridos | but all the stuff you type is of interest to nobody... that's your real protection |
| 09:34.56 | MikeSeth | you couldn't if you wanted to - there's a blackout in the building |
| 09:35.10 | MikeSeth | a bus rammed a power pole yesterday night, the transformer exploded and fell off |
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| 09:36.08 | ewew | 6kV to 110V transformer ? |
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| 09:36.53 | MikeSeth | I don't know what's on the carrier line, it's 220V here though |
| 09:37.06 | MikeSeth | but yes, it's a bigass transformer |
| 09:37.27 | RoyK | MikeSeth: usually something like 40kV |
| 09:37.29 | MikeSeth | the explosion was very loud and the flash was quite bright outside, so I thought it was a terrorist attack |
| 09:37.52 | MikeSeth | i wanted to call the cops but cyanogen update screwed up the theme and the dial button disappeared |
| 09:38.00 | MikeSeth | adventures all the way |
| 09:38.34 | ewew | smartphones are not very reliable. Dont you have old dumphone ? |
| 09:38.38 | MikeSeth | That's in Tel Aviv, just in case you think the terrorism thought is an overkill |
| 09:38.40 | Iridos | MikeSeth, that was the distraction that made it possible to install it |
| 09:38.52 | MikeSeth | ewew: haven't had one for ages |
| 09:39.19 | MikeSeth | the telco tried to hard sell but somehow my interactions with the telco are never good for the telco somehow |
| 09:39.22 | Iridos | anyway... maybe we should answer some debian questions instead of more idle chatter... there's a splendid channel called #debian-offtopic where you can continue that |
| 09:39.31 | ewew | Our cell phone network allows emergency call without sim card/ |
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| 09:39.40 | MikeSeth | yeah, which brings me back to my original question |
| 09:39.53 | MikeSeth | anyone with tips/suggestions/bright ideas for a live usb security terminal? |
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| 09:40.37 | ewew | First you must have a USB drive with hw RO mode. |
| 09:40.43 | jelly | that's not really a support question |
| 09:41.10 | RoyK | ATrA_x: I was a bit curious on the minimal install needs, so I did an installation in a VM. Seems it used some 4,7GB at the end of installation and was down to 3,7 after finishing/cleaning up, so 5GB should do (and some more for data/programs/general growth) |
| 09:41.13 | MikeSeth | ewew: oh, it's not a restriction on calling emergency numbers, it's just that the cyanogen update half-reapplied the current theme, resulting in the dial button disappearing completely, i.e. you can't dial new numbers, only existing contacts |
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| 09:42.01 | MikeSeth | ewew: what's the actual benefit of hw RO? |
| 09:42.33 | ewew | It can not overwrite if some malicious code gets in. |
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| 09:43.02 | ewew | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch2.en.html#s2.1 |
| 09:44.11 | MikeSeth | ewew: I think that's excessive in my case, but yes, a valid point |
| 09:45.31 | ewew | http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_security_index.html |
| 09:46.00 | jelly | ewew, MikeSeth: seriously, unless you have a specific issue to solve on a Debian system, move this conversation to #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:46.22 | MikeSeth | jelly: apologies. |
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| 10:45.43 | T4ng10r | hi |
| 10:46.12 | T4ng10r | how should I set cron to launch git pull after every reboot |
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| 10:46.31 | T4ng10r | @reboot cd /home/tanglor/repo; git pull doesn't work |
| 10:46.57 | T4ng10r | the same with @reboot cd ~/repo && /usr/bin/git pull |
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| 10:51.03 | ewew | It is possibly caused by order of booting services. |
| 10:52.18 | T4ng10r | lets assume that this is the case -> how otherwise I could update this repository AFTER OS fully startup? |
| 10:52.41 | T4ng10r | for all i know - upstart and initscripts would introduce the same problem |
| 10:52.47 | RoyK | seems minimum disk requirements for Debian with Gnome (and ssh+general stuff) is 4,7GB during installation and 3,7GB after installation, for only server stuff, that is, same basic setup, but without desktop, it's 1,2GB/1,0GB respectively |
| 10:53.16 | RoyK | !requirements |
| 10:53.25 | RoyK | did dpkg die? |
| 10:54.06 | g00se1 | T4ng10r: If it didn't work you should see errors |
| 10:54.10 | ewew | T4ng10r It depends what init you have. |
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| 10:54.41 | T4ng10r | grep CRON /var/log/syslog doesn't show any errors |
| 10:55.06 | g00se1 | Cron used to mail errors |
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| 10:55.14 | ewew | I would make a script that runs at end of boot. |
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| 10:56.05 | g00se1 | If you need the network for that pull then it must depend on the interface being up |
| 10:56.25 | Slydder | why does the output of vmstat and top differ for io wait percentage? top shows ca. 0 percent and vmstat close to 100 percent. |
| 10:57.11 | T4ng10r | case explained -> ssh couldn't resolve hostname bitbucket.org |
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| 10:57.33 | RoyK | Slydder: out of interest, what does sar say? |
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| 11:00.49 | Slydder | RoyK: not sure how to check it with sar. let me read through the man page(s) first. |
| 11:00.50 | MikeSeth | T4ng10r: you probably don't want to do automatic pulls unless it's a bare repo |
| 11:01.15 | RoyK | Slydder: sar 1 12 |
| 11:01.17 | RoyK | Slydder: sar 1 12121212 |
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| 11:02.12 | Slydder | royk: thanks. that looks more like the output from top than vmstat. 0,5% iowait |
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| 11:02.33 | Slydder | seems like vmstat is getting reversed output somehow |
| 11:02.35 | RoyK | Slydder: you may also want to enable the service - see /etc/default/sysstat and enable/start it |
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| 11:02.47 | Slydder | already did that |
| 11:02.53 | RoyK | Slydder: goodie |
| 11:03.43 | RoyK | I like munin and such, but I always install sar/sysstat and enable it on servers, since typing sar<enter> is a bit faster than looking through graphs |
| 11:03.53 | Slydder | could it be that vmstat is actually showing the percent of free iowait instead of used iowait? |
| 11:04.14 | RoyK | Slydder: pastebin vmstat output, please |
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| 11:05.55 | Slydder | royk: https://paste.debian.net/313765/ |
| 11:06.09 | Slydder | lol |
| 11:06.12 | Slydder | forget it |
| 11:06.13 | RoyK | :) |
| 11:06.21 | RoyK | I was guessing that ;) |
| 11:06.25 | Slydder | just noticed it while pasting |
| 11:06.39 | RoyK | vmstat misaligns when you have lots of memory |
| 11:06.50 | RoyK | (lots as in 10+GB, which isn't really a lot anymore) |
| 11:07.01 | Slydder | here's to hoping that today is really monday and I just didn't notice |
| 11:07.37 | RoyK | well, there's nothing like a false alarm ;) |
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| 11:46.06 | Dagger | Angs: try adding "ipv6" to /etc/modules... but that doesn't make any sense, because ipv6 hasn't been a module in debian for a long time |
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| 11:46.55 | Angs | thank you |
| 11:47.08 | wojtas | hi all, can someone explain me what different is in load profile.d in ubutnu/debian from RH/centos |
| 11:47.20 | Dagger | oh... yes. flipping raspberry pi foundation |
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| 11:59.18 | ksk | !tell lubarch about raspbian |
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| 12:01.15 | rozie | lubarch: AFAIK it's DHCP, so it should work (but may have old data, check raspbian docs/channel) |
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| 12:14.57 | petn-randall | thenewone_afk, s7r, sudo won't fix this for you. |
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| 12:25.15 | ksk | yap, raspi has dhcp client enabled by default. |
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| 12:27.34 | dogann | hi |
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| 12:34.15 | g00se1 | dogann: files are executed by the OS. Permissions are changed with chmod |
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| 12:34.33 | fuzzhead | [ 7.754554] systemd-udevd[186]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 12:34.33 | fuzzhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:37.06 | MikeSeth | probaby because there's an udev rule that says it should've been done |
| 12:37.29 | MikeSeth | or an interface configuration rule |
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| 12:38.12 | thesmartone | Hi guys i'm back |
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| 12:38.32 | lubarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.36 | lubarch | sorry |
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| 12:54.05 | maldo | exit |
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| 12:56.59 | Lunara | Hey |
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| 12:57.49 | Lunara | I've compiled my own kernel, and now want to reinstall my laptop. Is it possible to install Debian without a kernel, boot into the rescue moe from DVD, and install my custom kernel from there? |
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| 12:58.06 | Lunara | s/moe/mode |
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| 12:58.35 | Thorax2015 | Stupid question time. When people say "CONKY - Conky is a system monitor for X........" What exactly is X? |
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| 12:58.52 | Lunara | Thorax2015: X Window System |
| 12:58.53 | Lunara | I guess |
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| 12:59.09 | Lunara | Also known as X.org |
| 12:59.10 | Thorax2015 | Does Debian Gnome use that? |
| 12:59.18 | g00se1 | Lunara: You'd get on better by using the default and then adding your own kernel later |
| 12:59.19 | p8m | Lunara: Why not just install debian, boot into the full system and install the kernel? |
| 12:59.41 | markybob | Thorax2015, yes |
| 12:59.44 | abrotman | Thorax2015: yes, Xorg is in Debian, and your Gnome probably uses it |
| 12:59.50 | abrotman | you'd have to do some work to have that be otherwise |
| 13:00.05 | Lunara | g00se1, p8m: Cause it's currently for testing stuff ... of course, I'll do it later. But is it possible to do that? |
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| 13:00.18 | Thorax2015 | awesome. Cheers guys. I will read more into it. |
| 13:01.39 | MadHatter42 | what would be a correct solution for snapshot like backups on debian |
| 13:01.40 | MadHatter42 | ? |
| 13:01.47 | g00se1 | No, not really. You can't boot a system without a kernel. I still don't understand why you don't want a normal one to begin with though |
| 13:02.03 | MadHatter42 | i have several large partitions with services running and writing data into those |
| 13:02.09 | Lunara | g00se1: I can't install a custom kernel in rescue mode? :O |
| 13:02.10 | abrotman | MadHatter42: do you have LVM? |
| 13:02.13 | MadHatter42 | is there any way to do a backup without stoppping the serives |
| 13:02.31 | MadHatter42 | abrotman, not at the moment but i can set it up |
| 13:02.37 | MadHatter42 | on my new servers |
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| 13:02.42 | MadHatter42 | why ? |
| 13:02.57 | abrotman | MadHatter42: look into lvm snaphots. |
| 13:03.02 | MadHatter42 | thnx |
| 13:03.30 | abrotman | MadHatter42: make sure you read about them and ensure that it matches your goal |
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| 13:03.47 | MadHatter42 | abrotman, checking it right now |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | MadHatter42: also, rsnapshot might work for you |
| 13:04.07 | g00se1 | You might be able to. How have you managed to get a system without a kernel in the first place? |
| 13:04.27 | MadHatter42 | abrotman, currently reading about it |
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| 13:12.13 | lubarch | please tell me the steps to configure internet properly in debian? i have only local ssh access to the machine |
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| 13:13.02 | c0fe_machine | lubarch: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
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| 13:14.44 | lubarch | thnx c0fe_machine |
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| 13:17.36 | TomyWork | if someone were to remove part of a package (with rm or something), how can i tell? |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | debsums is one way |
| 13:18.48 | abrotman | would hope one knows who has root and would be doing things like that ... |
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| 13:20.12 | TomyWork | well it's complicated |
| 13:20.23 | welpo | On this debian server, whenever I try to run "clear" I get "'screen-256color': unknown terminal type." or "'xterm': unknown terminal type." if I try to export TERM=xterm. Any ideas on how to solve this? |
| 13:20.38 | TomyWork | someone wrote silly stuff into his maintainer scripts and now we're trying to figure out if that does anything negative |
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| 13:20.54 | MikeSeth | welpo: install ncurses |
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| 13:27.40 | abrotman | welpo: or try vt100 |
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| 13:31.29 | Thorax2015 | Stupid question time round two: What are the benefits of using Debian over say Ubuntu? |
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| 13:31.47 | Thorax2015 | Ubuntu to me seems like the opposite of the whole linux ethos |
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| 13:54.12 | JoelJo | recently I see this messsage everytime I start Debian Jessie what does it mean? I have to wait 1 minute and 30 second everytime, please check the screen picture http://imgur.com/foEodPp |
| 13:55.41 | JoelJo | I guess there is some problem |
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| 13:57.53 | Brigo | JoelJo, check your /etc/fstab, for missing partitions |
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| 13:58.51 | Brigo | JoelJo, usually missing swap |
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| 13:59.41 | JoelJo | terminal: su /etc/fstab ? |
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| 14:00.36 | Brigo | JoelJo, /etc/fstab is a text file |
| 14:00.47 | Brigo | man fstab for more information |
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| 14:02.17 | JoelJo | /etc/fstab permission denied |
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| 14:02.52 | Brigo | JoelJo, how do you install debian? |
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| 14:05.05 | JoelJo | I have installed Jessie with the iso dvd but months ago. this problem is happened after I have installed another linux on the same hd on another logical partition |
| 14:05.48 | JoelJo | maybe the other linux distro gave some problems to the swap? |
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| 14:08.06 | JoelJo | on the GUI computer monitor read swap not available.. i guess that's the problem yes. |
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| 14:13.13 | fagbodildage | JoelJo: essentially you just have to change the uuid for /dev/sdxy for both distros |
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| 14:13.37 | fagbodildage | there is also some swapoff&&mkswap&&swapon |
| 14:15.16 | fagbodildage | JoelJo: everything you need is here: |
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| 14:15.34 | fagbodildage | http://www.computerhope.com/unix/swapon.htm |
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| 14:18.22 | abrotman | You don't need a swap partitoin |
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| 14:18.55 | JoelJo | doesnt work swapon and all those command |
| 14:19.13 | abrotman | what doesn't work? |
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| 14:19.13 | fagbodildage | JoelJo: understanding what you're doing is a plus |
| 14:19.14 | JoelJo | zero |
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| 14:19.31 | Brigo | JoelJo, if you can, just deleting the fstab entry for swap in /etc/fstab will solve the problem. (it will let systemd create the swap partition by itself). |
| 14:20.30 | JoelJo | i don't know how to do 1 damn nothing on this stupid terminal |
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| 14:20.36 | fagbodildage | well, calling the terminal stupid won't help |
| 14:20.45 | fagbodildage | it's also not where the problem lies |
| 14:20.45 | JoelJo | andf i hate the terminal |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | JoelJo: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 14:21.10 | JoelJo | i have to enable the swap that's it |
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| 14:21.44 | abrotman | why? Swap is not required |
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| 14:22.12 | JoelJo | true but it's for the message I always got on the start of debian |
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| 14:22.26 | JoelJo | http://imgur.com/foEodPp |
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| 14:22.56 | abrotman | that's not helpful |
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| 14:26.07 | JoelJo | terminal should never be used for normal routine stuff unless you love it |
| 14:26.23 | fagbodildage | nonsense |
| 14:26.41 | fagbodildage | why do you "need" two distros, anyway? |
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| 14:26.51 | fagbodildage | you uber1337 or something? |
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| 14:27.19 | JoelJo | then if you love it use it to start iceweasel as well but the average user that need a distro don't like the terminal that's a fact |
| 14:27.41 | fagbodildage | oh, so you'd know, would you? |
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| 14:28.13 | fagbodildage | starting to sound like an entitled noob, JoelJo |
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| 14:28.54 | themill | maybe we should focus on actually fixing the problem? |
| 14:29.15 | fagbodildage | afaik I did, quarter of an hour ago |
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| 14:30.11 | JyZyXEL | how do you reply to a post in LKML.org? |
| 14:30.31 | JoelJo | nothing work with swapon -s [-h] [-V] or swapon -s |
| 14:31.24 | fagbodildage | JyZyXEL: http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 14:31.48 | fagbodildage | though that might be too basic for the FAQ |
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| 14:32.29 | JyZyXEL | do i just manually edit the headers in the email? |
| 14:32.56 | JyZyXEL | do i need to sign up first or something? |
| 14:33.10 | fagbodildage | http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s3 JyZyXEL |
| 14:33.47 | JyZyXEL | i've made the mistake of subscribing few times and that just starts spamming your email |
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| 14:52.53 | JoelJo | debian is the best for me and I like its ethical way to be the big problem is that it is not easy at all to configure for a newbie like me |
| 14:53.39 | fagbodildage | JoelJo: all you need to do is read a mountain of docs, read that link I hit you up with, for example |
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| 14:54.12 | SynrG | punctuation is not only a good idea it helps you to be understood because otherwise how can we tell where your sentences and phrases end and begin |
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| 14:57.26 | JoelJo | i will try to to read the mountain of docs, ok |
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| 14:57.57 | mrAZ | !dpkg |
| 14:57.57 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 14:58.48 | SynrG | mrAZ: find out more by messaging the bot, please. |
| 14:59.16 | SynrG | e.g. "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" if that's what you're after |
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| 14:59.37 | SynrG | !tell mrAZ about msg the bot |
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| 14:59.57 | EvilRoey | hello all |
| 15:00.18 | mrAZ | !tell mrAZ about how to msg to dpkg on irssi |
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| 15:01.11 | SynrG | mrAZ: i already told you how, using "/msg dpkg" |
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| 15:04.01 | Iridos | actually... you haven't even found out what his problem is... the message as such isn't a problem... I *guess* that message stays on for a long(ish) time while nothing happens? |
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| 15:10.09 | Zesk | Hello, just to be sure any restarted process should have a different pid, isn't it? |
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| 15:11.47 | er4z0r_ | Zesk: unless it is init, yes |
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| 15:14.52 | Zesk | Thanks! Using init.d show that the process just failed to die... "logstash stop failed; still running." |
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| 15:26.14 | T4ng10r | hi |
| 15:26.31 | T4ng10r | what's the easiest way to boot into text mode? |
| 15:26.49 | T4ng10r | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 15:27.10 | T4ng10r | but I'm unable (or don't know how) to change console size/resolution |
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| 15:32.45 | Slumlord_ | hello |
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| 15:34.16 | T4ng10r | ok, then maybe otherwise |
| 15:34.28 | T4ng10r | HOW to change console text mode size? |
| 15:34.31 | shay_shay | T4ng10r: I usually just stop gdm or lightdm service, only do that if I am going to something which could cause the desktop to freeze/malfunction ... Otherwise I just ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 15:35.43 | T4ng10r | shay_shay: currently I reboot/restart Linux VM multiple times, and work in text mode |
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| 15:36.07 | T4ng10r | so changing manualy tty isn't effecient for me |
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| 15:36.36 | shay_shay | Well if its a VM its better to work over ssh anyways |
| 15:36.43 | shay_shay | Then you get copypasta |
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| 15:37.59 | T4ng10r | hmm, then lets give a try for putty |
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| 15:38.23 | shay_shay | All my server vms are headless. On windows I use cygwin as a ssh client |
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| 15:38.53 | shay_shay | If you're using vbox then NAT defaults to 10.0.2.15 I believe |
| 15:39.11 | T4ng10r | hmm, later on I will need GUI, but for now it should be enough |
| 15:39.14 | shay_shay | Though it's better to switch to bridge otherwise you have to forward port 22 |
| 15:39.16 | T4ng10r | to use console only |
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| 15:40.03 | themill | !nodm |
| 15:40.04 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 15:40.31 | Thorax2015 | Is it possible to get a version of Debian, that comes with Gnome, that isnt bundled with loads of software? |
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| 15:40.43 | Thorax2015 | I can help but feel there is a lot of crap I will never use |
| 15:40.45 | T4ng10r | setting default runlevel to 3 by systemctl set-default multi-user.target is enough |
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| 15:41.14 | themill | Thorax2015: there are no "versions of Debian", there are just the packages that you choose to install |
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| 15:41.56 | Thorax2015 | themill, Well all these packages were installed by default |
| 15:41.59 | Thorax2015 | I didnt choose them |
| 15:42.09 | SynrG | yes. but it's just "Debian". not a "version of ..." |
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| 15:42.30 | themill | Thorax2015: umm... you did. You don't get gnome unless you ask for it |
| 15:42.31 | SynrG | that is, nothing fundamentally prevents you from installing multiple desktops on the same system, for example. |
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| 15:42.44 | lubarch | Thorax2015: install debian standlone |
| 15:42.44 | Thorax2015 | Sorry yes. I know it would just be Debian. I mean a different installer |
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| 15:42.57 | SynrG | (whereas fsvo "version of" of other distros, they would be incompatible) |
| 15:43.08 | themill | Thorax2015: there's no need for a different installer |
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| 15:43.12 | Thorax2015 | themill, I download the Gnome version yes. But all the extra software was preinstalled |
| 15:43.16 | themill | no |
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| 15:43.26 | Thorax2015 | ok.... |
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| 15:44.18 | shay_shay | Thorax2015: from the tasksel screen everything you don't want... Then you can additively build your system |
| 15:44.39 | Thorax2015 | tasksel screen? |
| 15:44.49 | themill | The one where you selected gnome |
| 15:44.56 | SynrG | yes. the installer has a "Configure software" step |
| 15:45.11 | Thorax2015 | During the installation, i didnt get a choice to choose Gnome. I choose the Gnome ISO |
| 15:45.26 | shay_shay | http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Choosing_XFCE_Tasksel_Jessie_8.png |
| 15:45.33 | shay_shay | That's the screen |
| 15:45.44 | Thorax2015 | Didnt get that screen when installing |
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| 15:45.51 | SynrG | "the" = which one? |
| 15:46.00 | Thorax2015 | The one you just linked to |
| 15:46.17 | SynrG | me? who? |
| 15:46.27 | Thorax2015 | shay_shay, |
| 15:46.27 | shay_shay | SynrG: I already said tasksel in my previous sentence |
| 15:46.42 | SynrG | ... |
| 15:46.53 | Thorax2015 | ok, the tasksel screen or this page http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Choosing_XFCE_Tasksel_Jessie_8.png didnt appear when i was installing |
| 15:46.59 | SynrG | <Thorax2015> During the installation, i didnt get a choice to choose Gnome. I choose the Gnome ISO |
| 15:47.06 | SynrG | ^ what is "the" ISO in this sentence? |
| 15:47.12 | SynrG | that's what i was asking for clarification about |
| 15:47.20 | shay_shay | Oh xD |
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| 15:47.30 | Thorax2015 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 15:47.37 | Thorax2015 | debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 15:47.42 | SynrG | *live* ah |
| 15:47.51 | SynrG | that's because the live-installer installs only the contents of the image |
| 15:47.52 | Thorax2015 | If i just used debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-standard.iso would it be better? |
| 15:47.57 | SynrG | if you had said live, we'd have understood. |
| 15:48.04 | Thorax2015 | Sorryyyyyyyy XD |
| 15:48.18 | themill | Thorax2015: for installing debian, the installer images are best |
| 15:48.19 | SynrG | so the deal with the live images is, you get what you see. |
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| 15:48.31 | SynrG | but for any of the installer images, you get a choice |
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| 15:48.37 | SynrG | we recommend netinst |
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| 15:48.40 | Thorax2015 | The netinstall? |
| 15:48.42 | SynrG | yep |
| 15:48.42 | Thorax2015 | Ahh |
| 15:48.54 | Thorax2015 | So that would offer me options for everything? |
| 15:48.59 | SynrG | yes |
| 15:49.06 | SynrG | fsvo "everything" ;) |
| 15:49.08 | lovezrs | anybody here? |
| 15:49.10 | lovezrs | lol |
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| 15:49.50 | Thorax2015 | so SynrG, would it be this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ and the netinst from here? |
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| 15:50.17 | lovezrs | You guys use gnome3 or other Desktop Environment? |
| 15:50.51 | vitfalk | lxde |
| 15:50.58 | SynrG | Thorax2015: yes. that will do fine |
| 15:51.14 | lovezrs | vitfalk:I use Cinnamon |
| 15:51.16 | SynrG | lovezrs: many people here use many different things. do you have a support question? |
| 15:51.24 | Cr0wb4r | lovezrs: Cinnamon |
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| 15:51.27 | shay_shay | lovezrs: not a good place for a survey. There was a survey on this recently completed on r/Linux though |
| 15:51.28 | SynrG | discussion of who uses what is offtopic (see #debian-offtopic) |
| 15:51.35 | Thorax2015 | Thank you SynrG |
| 15:51.49 | lovezrs | : ) |
| 15:51.50 | lovezrs | OK |
| 15:51.54 | vitfalk | lovezrs it's a little bit heavy...?? |
| 15:51.55 | Thorax2015 | I am just trying things out by the say SynrG. So apologies for any dumb shit |
| 15:52.06 | SynrG | Thorax2015: no problem |
| 15:52.42 | lovezrs | vitfalk: I feel ok |
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| 15:53.40 | vitfalk | well |
| 15:53.51 | lovezrs | Sleepy,Good Night~ |
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| 15:56.13 | Thorax2015 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/ What is Jigdo? |
| 15:57.16 | shay_shay | Thorax2015: if you are trying to get the largest install images available you have to use jigdo |
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| 15:57.57 | themill | Thorax2015: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 15:58.50 | Thorax2015 | thanks |
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| 16:04.33 | T4ng10r | Test |
| 16:04.46 | Thorax2015 | How do i create a bootable usb from iso in debian? |
| 16:05.14 | ChrisH | Thorax2015: follow the release notes and find cp to be used. |
| 16:05.22 | SynrG | !usb install |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 16:05.51 | Thorax2015 | Awesome cheers! |
| 16:06.28 | lubarch | w 3 |
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| 16:18.48 | soman | [DEB building]: how should 'md5sums' file look like when building *.deb package? Just one line with md5 of all files or what? |
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| 16:19.12 | Thorax2015 | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch04s03.html.en How do i tell it where the iso is if the iso is in downloads... home/downloads/debian.iso didnt work |
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| 16:20.47 | mtn | Thorax2015: three problems. your home folder is /home/username and it is Download, not download, most likely. also, the file you downloaded is not just debian.iso. |
| 16:20.49 | Thorax2015 | ahh wait. it needed a / at the begining |
| 16:21.03 | Thorax2015 | yeah it was /home/m/downloads/.iso |
| 16:21.13 | Thorax2015 | Downlads* |
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| 16:21.18 | mtn | Thorax2015: nope. not that way ;) |
| 16:21.37 | Thorax2015 | After sync then, is that ready? The USB is called Debian.8.2.0 now |
| 16:21.42 | Thorax2015 | Will it be bootable? |
| 16:22.04 | mtn | Thorax2015: sure should be |
| 16:22.18 | Thorax2015 | ok ill give it a whirl. Cheers all! |
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| 16:22.49 | Thorax2015 | it is! |
| 16:22.56 | Thorax2015 | Fuck that was actually very easy |
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| 16:30.17 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 16:30.35 | thenewone1 | Hi |
| 16:30.40 | TheWarden | how does one fix "Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/i18n/Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch"? |
| 16:30.46 | TheWarden | I would think it is a server side issue but not positive so thought I would ask. |
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| 16:32.49 | bazhang | pretty common bug |
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| 16:33.30 | TheWarden | Oh really? |
| 16:33.40 | bazhang | sure |
| 16:33.43 | TheWarden | dang another server with the same issue must be 5 of them now. |
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| 16:36.10 | TheWarden | mm I guess I just remove contents from /var/lib/apt/lists/ and issue is resolved assuming this person is correct. |
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| 16:38.41 | TheWarden | didn't work. crap. |
| 16:38.46 | g00se1 | Try http://sprunge.us/fWhU |
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| 16:43.22 | TheWarden | g00se1: thanks that did the job. |
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| 16:44.49 | thenewone1 | any simillar browser like dillo |
| 16:45.01 | thenewone1 | because i cant find dillo in debian 7 |
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| 16:46.45 | g00se1 | ,v dillo |
| 16:46.49 | judd | Package: dillo on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-2; jessie: 3.0.4-2+b1; stretch: 3.0.5-1; sid: 3.0.5-1 |
| 16:47.27 | leonarth | judd: how do you find cross release packages? |
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| 16:47.51 | thenewone1 | one s |
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| 16:48.19 | thenewone1 | ya sorry |
| 16:48.22 | fennesz | Guys when I am installing debian 8 , I get a prompt to select desktop env. I want to use gnome , do I have to check the "Debian Desktop Environment" too? |
| 16:48.28 | thenewone1 | :) |
| 16:48.36 | leonarth | I mean there's a way to search for a package info not only for your release but across all releases? |
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| 16:49.18 | g00se1 | fennesz: Yes. You will get Gnome |
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| 16:49.53 | g00se1 | ( At least i think so - still ;) ) |
| 16:49.59 | fennesz | g00se1, ok thank you . But what is the Debian Desktop Environment ? |
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| 16:50.07 | g00se1 | Gnome ;) |
| 16:50.07 | fennesz | is it Debian classic? |
| 16:50.33 | fennesz | but there are 2 options. Debian classic Environment and Gnome |
| 16:50.38 | fennesz | ???? |
| 16:50.41 | fennesz | confusing |
| 16:50.42 | Thorax2015 | Does the Debian Desktop Environment install extra software along side Gnome? |
| 16:51.13 | g00se1 | Actually i shouldn't be answering this - i never use Gnome [) |
| 16:51.31 | leonarth | fennesz: debian desktop is a different thing |
| 16:52.34 | valdyn | !tasksel |
| 16:52.35 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 16:52.35 | fennesz | leonarth, is it Gnome Classic? And do I have conflicts by installing both (its already installing) :( |
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| 16:54.00 | pingo | Is there a way to install this package https://packages.debian.org/en/wheezy/php5-ffmpeg on jessie? |
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| 16:54.54 | leonarth | fennesz: don't worry so much, you can always uninstall the one you don't want later |
| 16:55.32 | JoelJo | fagbodildage, I have activated the swap thanks |
| 16:57.28 | JoelJo | i have checked the firewall, this is the result: https://paste.debian.net/313825/ this means that all my pc ports are compltely open to internet with no protection at all? |
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| 17:00.06 | JyZyXEL | nothing happens when you connect a bluetooth headset with jessie, because pulseaudio 5 doesn't support headsets? |
| 17:00.14 | JoelJo | this means that Jessie has no firewall installed but we have to install later? |
| 17:01.11 | valdyn | JoelJo: you dont need a firewall like that, and you probably dont understand what open port means |
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| 17:04.11 | JoelJo | I just remember that the firewall is important to protect the pc and incoming connections should be blocked with a firewall like ufw that I have chacked on synaptic and it's not installed, seems strange |
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| 17:05.25 | AvatarA | if firewall would be enabled by default people would then complain that apache server is not working |
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| 17:06.59 | Thorax2015 | So as with fennesz. I am at the software selection of the netinstall. I am wondering what these options are and what I NEED. |
| 17:07.21 | valdyn | JoelJo: you got that wrong |
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| 17:07.49 | dimitry7 | systemctl doesn't have autocompletition for services... why?? |
| 17:07.58 | dimitry7 | I have to type every service I want to restart |
| 17:08.05 | dimitry7 | is there a way to enable autocompletition? |
| 17:08.33 | JoelJo | I understand, so in my case I just could istall ufw and gufw for protect mt desktop pc or it is not worthwhile? |
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| 17:09.20 | jelly | dimitry7: which shell are you using? |
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| 17:09.51 | Thorax2015 | Fuck. I hit enter.... |
| 17:10.01 | dimitry7 | jelly, GNU bash, version 4.3.30(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 17:10.40 | Thorax2015 | Is there anyway i can cancel the install? Im at select and install software and its retreiving files... I didnt select Gnome |
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| 17:11.50 | bazhang | ctrl c |
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| 17:12.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell zeljkof-away about away |
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| 17:13.43 | jelly | bazhang: and at that point you realize apt authors decided to catch and ignore SIGINT |
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| 17:14.01 | dimitry7 | jelly, i fix the autocompletition |
| 17:14.08 | jelly | dimitry7: how? |
| 17:14.11 | dimitry7 | jelly, now when it restarts, I can't get any output |
| 17:14.42 | dimitry7 | jelly, I was doing: systemctl apache2.service restart instead of systemctl restart apache2.service |
| 17:14.54 | jelly | ha |
| 17:14.59 | dimitry7 | jelly, why it doesn't return anything? |
| 17:15.02 | petn-randall | dimitry7: systemctl doesn't give any output on restart. |
| 17:15.12 | petn-randall | dimitry7: If you want output, do systemctl status apache2 |
| 17:15.14 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, ohhh |
| 17:15.20 | dimitry7 | nicee, let me do |
| 17:15.36 | dimitry7 | yeah, very descriptive, I like it! |
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| 17:19.58 | alfon | Hi, since debian 7 to 8 update, I experience a mouse and keyboard strange behavior |
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| 17:20.10 | alfon | Sometimes, when X windows system started, the USB mouse doesn't work and the USB keyboard lost randomly groups of pressed keys |
| 17:20.16 | alfon | This not happen ever and sometimes every works fine |
| 17:20.37 | alfon | This happened some of you before? Thanks in advance!! |
| 17:21.31 | fennesz | How can I uninstall a desktop environment and remove packages that comes with? |
| 17:21.59 | alfon | I'm not sure if this is a "X edev" or "udev" problem |
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| 17:22.50 | toothe | anyone know why the GHDL package doesn't seem to install? |
| 17:22.59 | toothe | apt-get install ghdl doens't find anything. But its there... |
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| 17:23.32 | jhutchins | !es |
| 17:23.32 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃÂnea de chat. |
| 17:23.56 | jhutchins | toothe: what specifically is where? |
| 17:24.13 | toothe | the GHDL package. |
| 17:24.34 | jhutchins | toothe: WHAT ghdl package? Where? |
| 17:24.37 | jhutchins | ,v ghdl |
| 17:24.38 | judd | Package: ghdl on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.29+gcc4.3.4+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 0.29+gcc4.3.4+dfsg-1.1 |
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| 17:25.08 | toothe | jhutchins: I don't understand your question. |
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| 17:25.40 | jhutchins | toothe: Where do you see the package? |
| 17:25.40 | toothe | its a program called ghdl which is an emulation of vhdl. its compiled with gcc...im not sure if that answers your question. |
| 17:25.46 | toothe | i googled it...let me find a reference. |
| 17:26.13 | toothe | https://packages.debian.org/sid/electronics/ghdl |
| 17:26.20 | jhutchins | toothe: No, I can see that it is a package available for squeeze and sid, but not for wheezy or jessie or stretch. What release are you running |
| 17:26.25 | AvatarA | toothe, N: Can't select versions from package 'ghdl' as it is purely virtual |
| 17:26.47 | toothe | I'm running Debian 8, not sure how to figure out the version name. |
| 17:26.55 | toothe | AvatarA: purely virtual? |
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| 17:27.34 | jhutchins | toothe: Well, you could look in the topic, which Deban 8 Jessie... or you could run lsb_release -a |
| 17:27.50 | jhutchins | toothe: In any case, the package is NOT "there" for that release. |
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| 17:28.48 | toothe | i see... |
| 17:29.17 | toothe | i tried to compile it manually, but what I downloaded didn't consist of .c files. |
| 17:29.26 | toothe | is there a way to install an earlier release? |
| 17:29.34 | GoGi | do I need an entry in /etc/fstab for the root filesystem? |
| 17:29.38 | toothe | i believe its called backporting? |
| 17:29.54 | rypervenche | GoGi: Yep, always |
| 17:30.25 | jhutchins | toothe: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:30.34 | jhutchins | toothe: The source will be available in sid. |
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| 17:35.29 | toothe | hm...i think the backports are another deadend... |
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| 17:35.38 | toothe | i don't think that there is an official backport for it. |
| 17:35.41 | toothe | darn. |
| 17:35.48 | maty | Hello, can somebody help me with routing and IPsec? |
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| 17:46.01 | maty | Can somebody help me with site-to-site routing over IPSec? I can't access server in another subnet... :/ |
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| 18:02.43 | Pazician | Alright I've found this lib called scriptaculous - but I've no idea how to install it on my server which is running Debian os |
| 18:03.39 | Pazician | I'm looking atm in the documentation and cannot really figure out how to get this working on my server: https://www.softaculous.com/docs/Main_Page |
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| 18:07.29 | ctmjr | Pazician: That has nothing to do with debian, you should contact them for support |
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| 18:08.50 | derstrom | Hello. I have installed Debian 8 on my computer with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti. I am unable to get a higher resolution than 1280x1024 (my native resolution is 1920 x 1080). From what I have read, the open source Nouveau driver relies on some microcode or proprietary firmware to function properly. I realistically don't want to resort to installing NVIDIA's proprietary driver to get my resolution working. Is there any package(s) I need |
| 18:08.50 | derstrom | to install from non-free to get things working with Nouveau? |
| 18:09.02 | Pazician | ctmjr: Got it, thank you |
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| 18:13.57 | Thorax2015 | ok. My laptop has been dual booting linux and windows 10. The last install of debian removed 10 from the bootloader. Even though i did it the same way as i had previously done it. |
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| 18:14.18 | Thorax2015 | Windows 10 used a 16GB ssd built in for caching stuff |
| 18:14.22 | maurer | Now that debian uses systemd, how do I stop a service from starting? |
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| 18:14.44 | maurer | (I've installed ntop for the cli program, which installs and adds the server to boot services, and I'd like to remove it) |
| 18:14.45 | Thorax2015 | Could i use that 16gb to install debian, and the standard HDD for the /home directory? |
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| 18:15.16 | iateadonut | i have a website that keeps running a ton of processes |
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| 18:15.32 | maurer | /par/part |
| 18:15.32 | ctmjr | derstrom: what does xrandr output f |
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| 18:15.35 | iateadonut | i can get the pid of these php processes, but i'd like to figure out where they are comming from? |
| 18:15.45 | iateadonut | what ip address, etc |
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| 18:20.29 | iateadonut | i don't know why these processes are starting. |
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| 18:24.32 | ponyofdeath | hi, what is the option / setting i need to pass to dh-make-perl or creating a debian package to exclude man pages from it? |
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| 18:25.32 | jhutchins | iateadonut: If you're running apache it should be logging the requests. |
| 18:27.45 | iateadonut | jhutchins, you're right, i guess i should look there first. |
| 18:27.59 | iateadonut | i was trying to get netstat to give me both pid and connecting ip address |
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| 18:28.39 | jhutchins | iateadonut: apn? |
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| 18:32.17 | ipv4hermit | Hi guys. About a month ago I migrated my home directory from Linux Mint Debian Edition (Based on Testing) to Jessie. Now on jessie I have a problem with the terminal emulator where the output of commands I type don't show the result right away. for example i type ls <ENTER> on the terminal and won't get any output unless I press <ENTER> again |
| 18:32.28 | iateadonut | apn give me the pid but not the ip address |
| 18:32.35 | ipv4hermit | someone told me it could be a loading issue? it seems like the issue could be solved by modifying bashrc. |
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| 18:34.38 | iateadonut | i can get a pid list like this: netstat -apnt|grep `ps aux|grep user|awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 18:34.50 | iateadonut | and i can get the ip address info like this: netstat -apnt |
| 18:35.08 | iateadonut | how can i do: netstat -apnt and then grep the pid list? |
| 18:35.24 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: Try creating a new account and see if it happens there. You probably copied a (probably hidden) configuration file that is incompatible. |
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| 18:35.45 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: In spite of having been derived from Debian, Mint is not Debian. |
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| 18:37.10 | fennesz | Hello ! I have just installed Debian on a machine and several firmware are missing (from dmesg : firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-3160-9.ucode (-2) ) How can I install it ? Please help me |
| 18:37.16 | ipv4hermit | jhutchins: It also happens with a new user so that is very puzzling. It doesn't happen on raw terminal. |
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| 18:38.04 | rattking | fennesz: thats in the package firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 18:38.20 | iateadonut | i guess i should ask that in #bash |
| 18:38.24 | fennesz | rattking: so how can I install it |
| 18:38.25 | mtn_ | fennesz: if your wireless is working, don't worry about the message |
| 18:38.41 | fennesz | mtn_ its not |
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| 18:39.05 | mtn_ | fennesz: that package is in non-free, so make sure your sources have that in the main line |
| 18:39.23 | mtn_ | fennesz: the debian wiki has an wifi article with all the details |
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| 18:39.33 | fennesz | mtn_: ok |
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| 18:42.28 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: You're not the first person to report terminal lag on Jessie. |
| 18:43.10 | ipv4hermit | ipv4hermit: so perhaps not related to copying my home directory? |
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| 18:43.48 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: Right, something else, and I don't know where to start. Maybe video drivers? |
| 18:44.12 | blast_hardcheese | I'm running Stretch and init is currently keeping my load at around 2.5. I had to shut down last night because load was at 8(!) when I was doing nothing. My environment idles at or below 0.1 |
| 18:44.26 | blast_hardcheese | I have no idea how to troubleshoot this |
| 18:44.35 | mtn_ | ipv4hermit: try making a new user, login as the new user, how does it work? |
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| 18:45.35 | mtn_ | ipv4hermit: oh, I see now you have done that, right? |
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| 18:46.11 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: Is it slow to respond or does it ignore input? |
| 18:46.21 | jhutchins | mtn_: Yep. |
| 18:46.24 | ipv4hermit | jhutchins: at least I know it's not that that's a step forward. I'm using nvidia binary drivers :/ |
| 18:46.30 | ipv4hermit | mtn_: I tried with a new user |
| 18:46.30 | fennesz | rattking mtn_ so do I have to install it with apt-get install firmware -iwlwifi ? |
| 18:46.49 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: So switching back to Debian drivers would be something to test. |
| 18:46.55 | mtn_ | fennesz: if you did an apt-get update first, yes |
| 18:47.12 | jhutchins | ipv4hermit: You could also try different terminal programs - there are six or so available. |
| 18:47.20 | mtn_ | fennesz: and have non-free in your sources, as I mentioned |
| 18:47.20 | rattking | yeah if the laptop is online via other means and non-free is enabled |
| 18:47.45 | fennesz | mtn_: cool thank you ! |
| 18:47.56 | ipv4hermit | jhutchins: it doesn't seem to ignore input. the terminal just seems to update when I any key that would move the cursor. |
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| 18:48.10 | ipv4hermit | jhutchins: it doesn't seem to ignore input. the terminal just seems to update when I push any key that would move the cursor. |
| 18:48.34 | ipv4hermit | #ls <ENTER> |
| 18:48.35 | fennesz | mtn_: I guess I have to reboot after installation? |
| 18:48.45 | ipv4hermit | no output |
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| 18:48.57 | mtn_ | fennesz: good idea, other ways to do it, but reboot is easiest for you |
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| 18:49.12 | jhutchins | fennesz: You have to restart networking. |
| 18:49.20 | fennesz | mtn_: OK thank you ! I really appreciate your help ! |
| 18:49.29 | ipv4hermit | <ENTER> again will show the output of the last command + new terminal line. |
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| 18:51.23 | blast_hardcheese | Should I ask in some other channel? I don't want to reboot my machine every couple hours |
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| 18:52.20 | ipv4hermit | I think this guy has the same problem. |
| 18:52.21 | ipv4hermit | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761671 |
| 18:52.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761671 in gnome-terminal (open): «gnome-terminal: Keypress lagging by one character»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-15; last modified: 2014-11-28. |
| 18:52.22 | Thorax2015 | Ok. Ive got a 16GB SSD and a 500GB HDD in my laptop. What partitions do you reccomend? Root, Swap and Home right? But where? |
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| 18:52.36 | mtn_ | blast_hardcheese: did you look at running processes? use htop or system monitor? |
| 18:53.00 | mtn_ | blast_hardcheese: and testing support is at #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 18:53.01 | blast_hardcheese | mtn_, htop, I've got 4 processor bars, half of each bar is red |
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| 18:53.14 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, alright, I'll go there then. |
| 18:53.16 | mtn_ | blast_hardcheese: no, processes, not processors |
| 18:53.23 | HyperWeegie | Hey people |
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| 18:53.28 | blast_hardcheese | mtn_, red means kernel task in htop |
| 18:53.39 | blast_hardcheese | so half of the threads on each processor are in the kernel |
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| 18:53.58 | HyperWeegie | Trying to install Debian on my fileserver, but the installer is only showing 4 drives rather than 5, meaning I can't set up my mdadm RAID5. Any idea why it's not showing the final drive? |
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| 18:54.17 | blast_hardcheese | Rather, half of each processor's available utilization is consumed by kernel threads |
| 18:54.32 | blast_hardcheese | but anyway, I'll go to #debian-next |
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| 18:57.13 | Thorax2015 | can i put / and /home on the 500GB HDD, and the swap on the 16GB SSD? |
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| 18:58.03 | ewew | Thorax2015 swap on ssd is not a good idea. |
| 18:58.09 | valdyn | Thorax2015: your system might be alot better if you put / on the ssd |
| 18:58.17 | paultjuh | not sure where to ask this, but I can't ssh from my laptop to my raspberry. from another laptop to my raspberry works fine, from my normal laptop to a different ssh servers works fine, and it used to work. Port scan from the laptop shows an open port 22, ping works, restarted both, cleared the arp caches. Also it used to work (today) |
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| 18:59.00 | Thorax2015 | so / on the SSD, and swap plus /home on the 500GB HDD? |
| 18:59.02 | blast_hardcheese | ewew, Is there another solution for s2disk that doesn't use swap? |
| 18:59.25 | blast_hardcheese | I've just come to terms with the fact that I'll eventually kill this SSD |
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| 19:00.57 | ewew | blast_hardcheese I dont know. |
| 19:01.04 | blast_hardcheese | Ah well. |
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| 19:01.27 | merlincorey | blast_hardcheese: all hard drives eventually die |
| 19:02.16 | blast_hardcheese | merlincorey, but spinning platter disk life is limited by motors giving out, which is much less tangible than a hard write limit per sector |
| 19:02.17 | ewew | paultjuh Any messages from client on laptop ? |
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| 19:02.41 | markybob | Thorax2015, are you looking for performance? |
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| 19:02.51 | rickeyrich | running debian jessie host 64bit .have virtmachine manager that uses kvm once i finished installing my vm and try to reboot it says: Error rebooting domain: Requested operation is not valid: Reboot is not supported without the JSON monitor |
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| 19:03.58 | rickeyrich | #flood running debian jessie host 64bit .have virtmachine manager that uses kvm once i finished installing my vm and try to reboot it says: Error rebooting domain: Requested operation is not valid: Reboot is not supported without the JSON monitor |
| 19:04.21 | markybob | Thorax2015, my /usr is only 2.2G. that's what you need on SSD |
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| 19:06.12 | blast_hardcheese | markybob, my /usr is 8 gigs and 80% full due to /usr/lib being ridiculously huge |
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| 19:08.25 | paultjuh_ | is there anyone who can help me with ssh connections not working to a selective host |
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| 19:11.47 | fagbodildage | can you ping the destination, paultjuh_? |
| 19:12.32 | paultjuh_ | fagbodildage: yes |
| 19:12.34 | fagbodildage | can you also be more full about "not working", perhaps errors, or how it deviates from the behaviour you expect? |
| 19:12.58 | paultjuh_ | fagbodildage: today I could connect, later on not anymore. I get a connection timeout |
| 19:13.11 | paultjuh_ | I can ping the remote host, I can ssh from other hosts to that host |
| 19:13.23 | fagbodildage | ok |
| 19:13.25 | paultjuh_ | from the laptop I can't ssh into it, I can ssh to other hosts |
| 19:13.38 | paultjuh_ | I restarted everything and cleared the arp caches |
| 19:13.47 | fagbodildage | what happens when you "nmap <hostip> |
| 19:13.49 | fagbodildage | " |
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| 19:14.11 | paultjuh_ | I see the port 22 as open |
| 19:14.35 | fagbodildage | that's good |
| 19:14.46 | fagbodildage | and is the host accessible any other way? |
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| 19:14.55 | fagbodildage | rdp for example? |
| 19:14.58 | paultjuh_ | I have access to the console |
| 19:15.04 | fagbodildage | ok |
| 19:15.21 | ewew | paultjuh_ Try to access with option -v |
| 19:15.36 | ewew | ssh |
| 19:15.56 | paultjuh_ | ewew: I can see it tries to make a connection, but that is the last thing until a timeout |
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| 19:16.39 | fagbodildage | paultjuh_: on the host's console sudo service ssh status |
| 19:16.40 | paultjuh_ | to be more precise: if I open wireshark I see my laptop sending SYN, and some retransmits after that, but no response ever from the other host |
| 19:16.51 | ewew | ok. Try to access it and look in logs. |
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| 19:17.15 | ewew | with other working pc. |
| 19:17.17 | paultjuh_ | fagbodildage: ssh is running, I can also connect from other hosts |
| 19:17.31 | paultjuh_ | ewew: I don't see anything appearing in the logs either |
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| 19:17.52 | fagbodildage | paultjuh_: could you have had multiple failed login attempts from your machine? |
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| 19:17.57 | _nixtux | Hi. Can you recommend me Debian for my laptop? Since Windows 10 is out, ... I don't comment this right now :) |
| 19:18.02 | ewew | How much different are other host than laptop. |
| 19:18.05 | ChibaPet | Hey, so, this isn't trolling. I'm quite interested in reading (preferably multiple) write-ups from tenured Debian users on life with systemd. Are there any such that folks can recommend for me? |
| 19:18.25 | fagbodildage | ChibaPet: there is #systemd |
| 19:18.35 | ChibaPet | fagbodildage: I'm thinking more blog or article. |
| 19:18.52 | paultjuh_ | fagbodildage: not that I know, also no fail2ban installed |
| 19:18.54 | ChibaPet | I don't think I'd get the sort of depth I want from an IRC channel. |
| 19:18.59 | fagbodildage | ChibaPet: the people who can help you with systemd are in #systemd |
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| 19:19.15 | fagbodildage | whether it be a blog or a problem |
| 19:19.32 | fagbodildage | or would you like me to google that for you? |
| 19:19.41 | paultjuh_ | ewew: the laptops (one can connect, the other one not) is running ubuntu, the remote host raspbian which I understood is debian? |
| 19:20.20 | ChibaPet | fagbodildage: No, you seem not to understand what I'm asking for or you'd understand why I'm asking here. Anyone (else) have any (relevant) thoughts? |
| 19:20.25 | ewew | Can you try direct connection to raspberry ? |
| 19:20.30 | _nixtux | Hi. Can you recommend me Debian for my laptop? Since Windows 10 is out, ... I don't comment this right now :) |
| 19:21.08 | ewew | _nixtux Depends on your skills with linux. |
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| 19:21.18 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: sure. |
| 19:21.20 | _nixtux | My skills are good in Linux |
| 19:21.26 | paultjuh_ | ewew: what do you mean? I have access to the console, network unfortunatly has to go through the router |
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| 19:21.41 | _nixtux | Is someone using Debian on his laptop or desktop? |
| 19:21.43 | fagbodildage | ChibaPet: Planet Debian |
| 19:21.47 | ewew | with ethernet cable. |
| 19:21.50 | SuperTramp83 | I am |
| 19:22.04 | ChibaPet | fagbodildage: Ah, that's a good idea. Hadn't thought of that. Looking. Other suggestions welcome as well. |
| 19:22.18 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: I guess Debian Jessie, right? Does all of your hardware work good? Is it stable for work? |
| 19:22.30 | fagbodildage | https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=debian+experience+with+systemd+blog the google search of other stuff you hadn't thought of |
| 19:23.08 | fagbodildage | s/blog/article would be another useful search |
| 19:23.18 | ChibaPet | fagbodildage: You're clearly new. I'll forgive you. |
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| 19:23.40 | ewew | paultjuh_ With ethernet cable. |
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| 19:23.55 | paultjuh_ | ewew: the laptop only has wifi unfortunetaly |
| 19:23.56 | SuperTramp83 | Well, _nixtux that depends on whether you want to keep Debian 100% free software or not. Wireless adapters (other than Atheros, and not all of them) mostly require non-free firmware. So does all the ATI gpus. Debian is very very stable. Rock stable indeed. |
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| 19:24.32 | paultjuh_ | ewew: my old laptop has ethernet, but that one can connect through wifi->router->ssh |
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| 19:24.59 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: Ha, sounds good to me. I've some Realtek devices and a Intel processor with built-in GPU, so I don't have a special GPU device. |
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| 19:26.09 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: I should use the firmware-x.x.x-yyy.iso instead of the normal image, right? |
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| 19:26.25 | SuperTramp83 | That's nice _nixtux. The big issue (if you want to keepd Debian as it is by default) is the GPU. Intel GPU previous to skylake work splendidly. As far as wifi adapter.. they are very cheap and easy to replace.. |
| 19:26.36 | ewew | paultjuh MAC address of trouble laptop is begining with other than 00 ? |
| 19:27.04 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: I think it's a Bay Trail CPU/GPU |
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| 19:28.31 | paultjuh_ | ewew: yes? |
| 19:28.44 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: I also tried to install Debian on my laptop |
| 19:28.46 | _nixtux | But my WLAN doesn't seem to work |
| 19:29.08 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: it will work just fine without the need of the firmware-linux-nonfree package. |
| 19:29.17 | ewew | paultjuh Internet with that laptop works ? |
| 19:29.36 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: You mean the GPU, right? |
| 19:29.41 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: yes |
| 19:29.46 | paultjuh_ | ewew: yes it is my everyday laptop, work and home |
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| 19:30.09 | paultjuh_ | ewew: using hexchat on it atm, can ssh to other machines |
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| 19:30.47 | _nixtux | Sounds very nice. But my WLAN doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:30.47 | _nixtux | At the installation process it gave me a message of missing files |
| 19:30.59 | ewew | Any special settings in wifi. Some routers may have trouble with mac address beginning other than 00. |
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| 19:31.39 | ewew | Maybe raspberry pi has this problem. Other laptops have mac addresses beginning other than 00. |
| 19:31.49 | ewew | ? |
| 19:31.53 | paultjuh_ | ewew: no |
| 19:32.03 | paultjuh_ | ewew: all non 00 beginning mac addresses |
| 19:32.24 | _nixtux | 00-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx |
| 19:32.28 | _nixtux | :) |
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| 19:33.13 | paultjuh_ | ewew: also no special settings, just a fairly normal home network, besides the raspberry |
| 19:33.17 | ewew | If know how to change mac address, the try it with working laptop. After restart the mac address will change back. |
| 19:33.42 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: Any ideas how I can get my WLAN work at the installation process? |
| 19:33.45 | ewew | On your own risk. |
| 19:34.32 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 19:34.32 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 19:34.46 | paultjuh_ | ewew: let's just try that, hopefully brb |
| 19:34.51 | jhutchins | Probably 3/4 of WiFi adapters do not require firmware. |
| 19:35.58 | _nixtux | I know that the driver of my WLAN is in 3.16+, but it doesn't work within the Debian installer :( |
| 19:36.09 | ewew | paultjuh_ Older routers may not expect mac addresses with beginning other than 00. |
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| 19:36.47 | SuperTramp83 | jhutchins: have any link to support you 3/4 theory? |
| 19:37.30 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: Debian have kernel 3.16, no? |
| 19:37.40 | _nixtux | Why is my WLAN not working then? |
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| 19:38.39 | SuperTramp83 | 3.16.0-4 yes. because it requires the proprietary blob loaded in the linux kernel. |
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| 19:39.15 | _nixtux | Why isn't that inclused by default? |
| 19:39.25 | _nixtux | Some other dist's included these |
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| 19:39.45 | paultjuh | ewew: somehow it worked |
| 19:39.46 | markybob | _nixtux, debian follows strict dfsg |
| 19:39.53 | paultjuh | I changed it |
| 19:39.59 | paultjuh | couldn't connect to wifi anymore |
| 19:40.02 | paultjuh | rebooted machine |
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| 19:40.06 | paultjuh | but now I can ssh again |
| 19:40.08 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 19:40.16 | SuperTramp83 | excellent read |
| 19:40.16 | paultjuh | (and yes I have rebooted the machine before) |
| 19:41.03 | _nixtux | Hmpf |
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| 19:41.53 | fagbodildage | paultjuh: sometimes you just have to Reboot All The Things |
| 19:43.15 | paultjuh | fagbodildage: that was the thing: I rebooted my router, and all hosts several times already... |
| 19:44.02 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: Ah, 100% free / open source software only. Makes sense! :) |
| 19:44.23 | ewew | paultjuh Is this weird ? |
| 19:44.32 | paultjuh | while I blame ubuntu for this, I was thinking of switching to debian on my laptop, but when I attempted to do that on my old laptop, wifi didn't work (not that weird), but also my touchpad didn't work with the setup, any idea's |
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| 19:44.54 | paultjuh | ewew: it is weird that even after all the things I tried it didn't work |
| 19:45.18 | ewew | paultjuh Maybe the laptop got so confused. |
| 19:45.20 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html |
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| 19:45.27 | SuperTramp83 | be afk for a while |
| 19:45.57 | _nixtux | SuperTramp83: Thank you very much, you helped me. |
| 19:45.58 | _nixtux | I wish you a nice day all. |
| 19:46.07 | paultjuh | I was definitly confused... |
| 19:46.26 | SuperTramp83 | _nixtux: you are very welcome! :) |
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| 19:48.06 | lord_rob | problem with 100% free software is that your hardware is never 100% supported |
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| 19:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, debootstrap |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 19:48.45 | lord_rob | good luck if you install debian without that precious nnon-free line ;) |
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| 19:50.12 | flyx | I tried to backport roundcube to jessie, but it depends on php-net-ldap3 which isn't available for jessie and also cannot be backported for some reason. now I don't need LDAP support, can I somehow disable this dependency when backporting roundcube? |
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| 19:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I wonder what the way of least effort is going from 32-bit wheezy to 64-bit jessie |
| 19:52.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no separate /home on that drive |
| 19:53.49 | jhutchins | lord_rob: I have built many Linux systems without non-free hardware support. |
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| 19:54.29 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: backup. |
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| 19:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, spent the last couple of days making a bootable 1:1 copy on a usb drive... took some hours to rsync... (and actually only could make it bootable with separate /boot, so there were a lot of debugging and fresh rsyncs to figure that out) |
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| 19:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, so you think saving package list, making a fresh install and then copying back /home and restoring the installed packages (or maybe not, and just pull in what I notice missing) is the easiest? |
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| 19:57.13 | greycat | If we're reinstalling, /etc should also be backed up, but NOT just blindly restored. |
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| 19:57.27 | greycat | Keep the old one as a reference. |
| 19:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything is backed up and bootable right now on an external drive |
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| 19:58.44 | ryouma | the big issue is merging /etc. etckeeper does not help the way you'd htink it would. |
| 19:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... if I kill / (which contains /home) I again have no backup for the time of the fresh install... well... that's a short time |
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| 19:58.57 | ryouma | package list things, i had to roll my own |
| 19:59.07 | excelereight | my debian VPS can ping the gateway, but cannot access the Internet. My iptables rules are empty; it accepts all traffic. I'd appreciate any suggestions. |
| 19:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think /etc is much of an issue for me... don't think I changed a lot for my desktop |
| 19:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | vimrc :) |
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| 20:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | excelereight, try something other than ping to test connections from inside a virtual machine ... I've seen ping fail while tcp connections worked... |
| 20:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryouma, have you been using etckeeper? |
| 20:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryouma, what's that like? |
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| 20:03.43 | ryouma | it's useful the way any git is useful, but it is not especially useful in a debian sense. that is, while it can tell you that a change was from apt, you can't pick out your manual changes and then merge them in. |
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| 20:04.29 | ryouma | it doesn't have a special indicator for your changes |
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| 20:04.46 | ryouma | but if you want a record of changes, it's great |
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| 20:05.03 | excelereight | CutMeOwnThroat: I cannot ssh into the box. I'm sshing into the serial console the VPS provider provides. So I'm fairly certain the box isn't connected to the Internet. |
| 20:05.20 | Sigfrid | I want to build a vps on DigitalOcean to use as Netflix tunneling, which is easier to recommend? |
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| 20:08.55 | fennesz | Guys is there a need to install intel gpu drivers on jessie gnome? I have found this https://01.org/linuxgraphics but I am not sure if this is going to work on Debian. Any experience |
| 20:08.56 | fennesz | ? |
| 20:09.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | "is there a need" is a subjective question. |
| 20:09.34 | greycat | fennesz: which chipset do you have? Show us the result of lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 20:10.10 | fennesz | True ! I have some screen tearing so this is why I am asking. One sec I give you the output |
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| 20:11.08 | leonarth | assuming I'm stupid and I deleted all files and folders in /var/log because I couldn't find the log I wanted so I decided to clear up everything :D |
| 20:11.29 | leonarth | now I have application issues which error out because they can't write the logs... |
| 20:11.46 | ryouma | leonarth: i wonder if rebooting would fix |
| 20:11.52 | leonarth | I would have assumed apps would be smart enough to recreate those logs |
| 20:12.06 | leonarth | ryouma: tried that, doesn't :D |
| 20:12.10 | armin | as you can see that was a wild assumption. :) |
| 20:12.29 | leonarth | tumbs up armin |
| 20:12.38 | armin | keep in mind it could also be a directory missing. |
| 20:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | excelereight, just saying I was once fooled by that... I started out really having no connection... but when I had fixed it, I didn't notice because ping still returned no packets |
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| 20:13.15 | leonarth | when I see the errors I tend to recreate the directory and touch the missing file |
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| 20:13.38 | armin | leonarth: not the worst attempt at least. |
| 20:13.40 | fennesz | greycat, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0a16] (rev 0b) |
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| 20:14.09 | leonarth | smiles at armin van buren |
| 20:14.44 | greycat | judd pciid 8086:0a16 |
| 20:14.45 | judd | [8086:0a16] is 'Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0a16 |
| 20:15.17 | armin | leonarth: i actually am an electronic musician too. however, anyone comparing my music to the one of armin van bureen (not sure if the spelling is correct) deserves to be shot. |
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| 20:15.40 | leonarth | because your music is better? |
| 20:15.47 | TheLemonMan | armin, he's the only true Armin |
| 20:16.02 | armin | leonarth: depends on personal taste i assume, but at least my music isn't commercial. |
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| 20:17.17 | greycat | Hmm, I can't find a lot of info about this chipset. |
| 20:17.43 | fennesz | judd, so there is no driver available? |
| 20:17.50 | armin | leonarth: i'm not even judging his music. i just never considered a closer look because i dislike music that isn't deep. anyways, this discussion gets a bit offtopic and we should try to continue anywhere else if we wanted to. :) |
| 20:17.54 | greycat | Judd believes the drivers are present in jessie. |
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| 20:18.36 | fennesz | greycat, ok whos judd , hahahhahahaha |
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| 20:18.47 | fennesz | I suppose a bot ! |
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| 20:19.13 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Yoga14/jessie has a 0a16 like yours and has a "thumbs up" icon by Xorg |
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| 20:20.06 | fennesz | greycat, yeap its a lenovo |
| 20:20.27 | fennesz | greycat, i5-4210u |
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| 20:22.51 | fennesz | greycat, my problem is I get some screen tearing from time to time , mostly in iceweasel . I am using gnome |
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| 20:28.38 | armin | fennesz: did you also spot those tearing artifacts when moving a mostly bright window over a dark background? |
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| 20:29.06 | fennesz | armin, let me check |
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| 20:30.05 | ewew | paultjuh Is the issue solved ? |
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| 20:30.55 | armin | fennesz: well a lot of setups under linux would have that unless you use a compositor that has some kind of tearing prevention. |
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| 20:32.03 | fennesz | armin, it appears yes . Something wrong with Vsync? |
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| 20:32.19 | fennesz | Also what compositors are working on Gnome? |
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| 20:35.24 | armin | fennesz: depends on what you mean by "wrong". you graphics driver could use some redrawing workarounds like re-using old buffer contents of the ring buffer, and some compositors have something called "vsync" or so. yes. whether or not that actually solves your specific problem is worth a try, but the topic is actually a bit too complex to tell before trying i guess. compton is a good compositor which is a |
| 20:35.24 | armin | fork of xcompmgr, and i found some settings that i could live with in compton on most setups. |
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| 20:36.09 | fennesz | armin, can I use compton under gnome? |
| 20:36.23 | armin | fennesz: i don't think it will work with gnome, but go ahead and try if you like. |
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| 20:36.41 | fennesz | armin,yes cause I have read that compton won't work with gnome |
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| 20:37.00 | armin | fennesz: gnome should have a compositor onboard, but really, i have no idea since i wouldn't touch gnome with a stick. |
| 20:37.06 | fennesz | armin, it works nice with Xfce , but I like gnome a lot ... |
| 20:37.48 | armin | fennesz: as long as i don't hate you i can't avoid recommending xfce over gnome, but that's personally biased, too... |
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| 20:38.38 | armin | fennesz: i consider xfce much more featureful while being much more lightweight and way less chaotically designed like gnome. |
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| 20:39.38 | armin | fennesz: actually, i even consider gnome3 conceptionally broken beyond repair, but well, don't get me started on bashing gnome. |
| 20:39.38 | fennesz | armin, yes I know... Xfce is much lighter than gnome, but then again gnome is eye candy . Girls like it too :) |
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| 20:40.28 | armin | fennesz: well my past 3 girlfriends were forced to use xfce for the time they lived with me, and the amount of complaining about things they can't understand was noticeably lower. |
| 20:40.33 | fennesz | armin, you might be right ! I didn't like gnome too but with some mods like bash-to-dock seems like it is working |
| 20:40.48 | fennesz | armin, hahah |
| 20:41.17 | armin | fennesz: 2 of them came from ubuntu/unity, one from gnome3. |
| 20:41.31 | armin | fennesz: and they all still use xfce even after quitting up with me. :) |
| 20:41.52 | fennesz | armin, I have currently installed gnome and xfce on my machine. Xfce works better of course but because of 2 DE I get some artifacts |
| 20:42.00 | armin | fennesz: i hate some aspects of the xfce4-terminal, though. |
| 20:42.07 | fennesz | armin, you did the job !! |
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| 20:42.36 | armin | fennesz: well there are hundreds of WMs installable on your box. i'm pretty confident you'll find one that satisfies you. |
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| 20:43.06 | armin | fennesz: if you have time for tinkering around, you should also consider tiling WMs. |
| 20:43.21 | fennesz | armin, you mean under Xfce? |
| 20:43.26 | armin | no. |
| 20:43.38 | armin | fennesz: as a full replacement for your desktop environment. :) |
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| 20:43.47 | fennesz | Ahh |
| 20:44.06 | fennesz | armin, do you have any recommendations? |
| 20:44.18 | armin | fennesz: i love to use extremely lightweight window managers while having to focus on code for example, but i hate those for some specific administrative tasks in comparision. |
| 20:44.31 | ryouma | never found a wm that satisfies me, despite the fact that he only has 2 things he needs from a wm, + not being buggy |
| 20:44.33 | armin | fennesz: difficult. i love bspwm, but that's definitely not a WM for everyone. |
| 20:44.36 | ryouma | him* |
| 20:45.36 | ryouma | fluxbox is the only wm that does my 2 dealbreakers-if-not, but it is buggy |
| 20:45.41 | armin | fennesz: i3 is awesome but has terrible defaults, fluxbox isn't a tiling WM but is extremely lightweight and very beautiful if configured nicely... |
| 20:46.10 | armin | i didn't find many bugs in fluxbox, and i used it for many years. |
| 20:46.33 | armin | oh, apropos awesome. awesome is a good WM, too. |
| 20:46.53 | armin | i also love dwm but hate recompiling it. :) |
| 20:47.44 | fennesz | armin, i3 and bspwm looks promising |
| 20:47.50 | armin | on this newly installed x220 here i actually use xfce still because i never found time to configure my bspwm setup to my needs. |
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| 20:48.02 | ryouma | armin: i find that autohide taskbar does not autohide, because you click a menu and it thinks mouse is still over the taskbar (because the menu shows up over the taskbar). i also find a lot of focus issues, which i can' |
| 20:48.09 | fennesz | armin, yes time is a problem at the moment |
| 20:48.10 | ryouma | t be certain are due to flux but probably are |
| 20:48.44 | armin | ryouma: yes i also noticed issues with that taskbar hiding. |
| 20:49.01 | armin | ryouma: i didn't spot weird behaviour with click to focus though. |
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| 20:49.20 | ryouma | armin: i use the default focus model, which is not click to focus (dunno what it is called though) |
| 20:49.31 | armin | ryouma: sloppy focus i guess. |
| 20:50.11 | armin | i even have computers that work totally fine with one WM but are horrible to use with the other which i love to use on a different machine... |
| 20:50.33 | ryouma | all i need in a wm is ability to make everything full screen with no borders or titlebar, ability to mousewheel cycle through windows if pointer is at top edge, and ability to autohide gkrellm. but fluxbox is the only wm that does those things. |
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| 20:51.45 | armin | ryouma: you mean you move the pointer to the top of the screen and use the mouse wheel there and it changes the input focus of the windows on that virtual desktop? |
| 20:51.45 | fennesz | Guys I need to go for now , have to get some sleep ! Thank you all . You were very informative! |
| 20:51.48 | fennesz | appreciate it ! |
| 20:52.02 | armin | fennesz: all the best. |
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| 20:52.37 | fennesz | :) |
| 20:52.42 | fennesz | see you soon ! |
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| 20:53.15 | ryouma | armin: it does the equivalent of m-tab, which cycles windows and of course focus goes with that |
| 20:53.18 | armin | ryouma: well bspwm is extremely configurable, you will probably satisfy most of those needs you have with it. but it will take some time adapting it to your likes. |
| 20:53.48 | ryouma | bspwm not in jessie it seems |
| 20:53.53 | paultjuh | ewew: yes everything works again, |
| 20:54.01 | armin | ryouma: you want to build that from git. |
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| 20:54.09 | ayee | If I don't put [arch=amd64] in my sources.list, I don't get errors from <some repo> I'm using. but if I don't put that, I get all these i386 errors |
| 20:54.16 | ayee | Did the person who setup this repo do it inproperly? |
| 20:54.28 | ayee | Should I need to put '[arch=amd64]' on their repo line in sources.list? |
| 20:54.33 | ewew | paultjuh Uptime of your laptop was ? |
| 20:54.37 | armin | ryouma: hmm. maybe you'll find a solution to execute a program if the pointer is above a panel at the top edge. |
| 20:55.05 | ryouma | armin: that would be great. then i can use any wm i want. however, i don't want to dedicate any real estate to this, unless it is autohide |
| 20:55.41 | armin | ryouma: you could try with opacity set to 0% and an input handler for the mouse scroll events that occur - just a wild guess. |
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| 20:55.43 | ryouma | i never found a separate program to deal with events at window edges |
| 20:56.03 | armin | ryouma: 2nd attempt: try to make the panel 1px in height. |
| 20:56.28 | armin | ryouma: 3rd attempt: simply use the keyboard. |
| 20:56.41 | ryouma | keyboard is not an option in this case |
| 20:56.45 | armin | :( |
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| 20:57.04 | ryouma | 1px would be ok if there is a good solution that uses it and keeps focus on the app |
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| 20:57.22 | armin | ryouma: i'm very sure winkey+scrollwheel would do, even anywhere on the desktop. |
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| 20:57.55 | ryouma | keyboard is not an option in this case |
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| 20:58.30 | armin | ryouma: then your best bet is probably a transparent application on the top border that grabs the scroll events. |
| 20:58.59 | ewew | Log out. Need to restore some files. |
| 20:59.14 | armin | ryouma: also bspwm is extremely hackable, so you could have luck. :) |
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| 21:08.18 | ponyofdeath | hi, what is the option / setting i need to pass to dh-make-perl to exclude man pages from being included in the deb file? |
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| 21:10.43 | phantomcircuit | im on jessie running networkmanager and am having issues with resolv.conf |
| 21:10.46 | excelereight | can anyone see anything wrong with my network config? No Internet access, but can ping gateway. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7mHveKen |
| 21:11.18 | phantomcircuit | i seem to end up with a link local ip as dns server which isn't generated by network manager! (ie no # Generated By NetworkManager comment at the top) |
| 21:11.25 | phantomcircuit | any ideas? |
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| 21:22.15 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: Some aspects of networking are being controlled by systemd these days. That may be where your resolv.conf is coming from. |
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| 21:22.31 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: Is your DHCP server sending the correct nameserver info? |
| 21:22.49 | phantomcircuit | jhutchins, yes it gets the right dns server and is then almost immediately overwritten |
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| 21:24.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | why isn't your actual resolv.conf in the paste then? :P |
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| 21:24.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | is dnsmasq running? |
| 21:24.28 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 21:24.37 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: Whoops, wrong buffer. |
| 21:24.46 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd |
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| 21:25.19 | derstrom | Hi. I have installed Debian 8 on my computer with an GeForce GTX 750 Ti. I am stuck at 1280x1024 (my display supports up to 1920 x 1080). Executing xrandr returns "Failed to get size of gamma [..]". I'd prefer to avoid the proprietary NVIDIA drivers if possible. Is there anything I can do to get Nouveau working properly? Is there some missing microcode/firmware I need to install from non-free? Thanks. |
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| 21:25.55 | phantomcircuit | this is what happens |
| 21:25.56 | phantomcircuit | https://paste.blockstream.io/paste/QlBVN5FY#C-3E+Qq6q6QeyUw0lI+gH0D3OoYUdyxpUJnbyeXauL/ |
| 21:26.20 | jhutchins | derstrom: If you need firmware there should be something in dmesg to that effect. YOu can also look through /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it's very noisy. |
| 21:27.17 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: That paste server is messed up. |
| 21:27.29 | phantomcircuit | oh wrong one |
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| 21:27.32 | phantomcircuit | that's internal |
| 21:27.32 | phantomcircuit | derp |
| 21:27.35 | derstrom | jhutschins: I do see "firmware: failed to load nouveau/fuc409c" in the output when I execute dmesg | grep nouveau |
| 21:27.38 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: How about paste.debian.net |
| 21:27.50 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 21:27.50 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 21:28.15 | derstrom | I understand Debian keeps proprietary firmware in non-free but I have tried finding where I can install the missing firmware for my GPU for days without any luck. |
| 21:28.25 | phantomcircuit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1b7d1afa/ |
| 21:28.37 | jhutchins | derstrom: Check the link from dpkg above. |
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| 21:29.02 | markybob | derstrom, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libdrm-nouveau2 |
| 21:29.54 | derstrom | markybob: I have both packages installed already./ |
| 21:30.00 | phantomcircuit | jhutchins, i could figure out what was going on if i could figure out what is changing resolv.conf |
| 21:30.22 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: I suspect it's systemd. Have a look at that link to the archlinux wiki. |
| 21:30.41 | markybob | derstrom, did you reboot for the drm? you can load it manually but no one does |
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| 21:31.02 | jhutchins | !tell derstrom about nouveau |
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| 21:31.25 | jhutchins | markybob: I don't believe those include the firmware. |
| 21:31.51 | jhutchins | derstrom: You should be able to install the firmware by adding contrib and non-free, but I don't know the exact package. |
| 21:32.02 | jhutchins | derstrom: Seem private message from dpkg. |
| 21:32.48 | jhutchins | s/seem/see |
| 21:32.55 | markybob | jhutchins, no. sigh. |
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| 21:33.23 | derstrom | I must need to install a package from non-free to get the firmware I need for my GPU. |
| 21:33.32 | markybob | jhutchins, if you don't know then don't say anything. best bet |
| 21:33.43 | derstrom | Any packages included with Debian won't load any non-free software. |
| 21:34.35 | phantomcircuit | jhutchins, so what you're saying is i should remove systemd ... |
| 21:34.54 | phantomcircuit | (systemd-networkd does not appear to be running) |
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| 21:36.19 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: No, you should read the docs for systemd and figure out how to make it work correctly. |
| 21:36.25 | Xenguy | phantomcircuit: YMMV, but even before systemd, resolvconf would change /etc/resolv.conf ... |
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| 21:36.39 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: I believe systemd.networkd runs at startup only. |
| 21:36.53 | Xenguy | I ended up just doing chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:37.24 | Xenguy | The elephant gun solution ;-) |
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| 21:39.59 | jhutchins | Xenguy: That was actually pretty fixable, and the documentation got a lot better, but now we're in systemd and it's a whole new world. |
| 21:40.38 | Xenguy | jhutchins: Well I'm not sure I'm going down that rabbit-hole, but we'll see ;) |
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| 21:41.30 | jhutchins | phantomcircuit: Interesting company you're internal to there. |
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| 21:42.05 | phantomcircuit | jhutchins, :) |
| 21:42.21 | phantomcircuit | Xenguy, resolvconf isn't even installed |
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| 21:42.32 | Xenguy | BTW jhutchins , given that systemd is a bit of a hot topic, is there a debian-specific channel to talk about issues related to systemd, or is it all good in this channel? |
| 21:42.33 | jhutchins | Xenguy: I've decided to go for the ride, but reserve judgement. Init WILL be changing sooner or later. Either systemd will be made to work or people will loose patience and try something else again. |
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| 21:43.17 | jhutchins | Xenguy: Discussing the politics of systemd is off-topic here, but the actual functional how-to stuff is fine here. Since it's part of Debian now, it's part of #debian. |
| 21:43.20 | Xenguy | phantomcircuit: well that rules that out then |
| 21:43.33 | Xenguy | jhutchins: gotcha |
| 21:43.35 | Xenguy | tx |
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| 21:44.33 | phantomcircuit | i cant seem to find any way to monitor a file for what changes it |
| 21:44.39 | phantomcircuit | just that it was changed |
| 21:44.41 | Xenguy | jhutchins: My understanding is that it is possible to run current Stable without installing systemd; does that sound right to you? |
| 21:44.57 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: it is possible, yes. |
| 21:45.13 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: but unless you have a specific reason to do so, you might as well use systemd. |
| 21:45.22 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: And are there any serious drawbacks to selecting that option, at this time? :-) |
| 21:45.38 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: yes. All of the drawbacks of sysv. |
| 21:45.49 | Xenguy | Fair enough |
| 21:46.25 | Xenguy | I expect I will elect to travel the trailing edge on this issue, but still have yet to cross that bridge. |
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| 21:49.43 | phantomcircuit | fatrace |
| 21:49.47 | phantomcircuit | this is exactly what i needed |
| 21:50.13 | thoraxdeb | Hi all. I've just got debian installed on my laptop now. But it still shows the grub bootloader. How would i go about bypassing it? |
| 21:50.59 | phantomcircuit | rdnssd |
| 21:51.21 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: Why would you bypass the bootloader? The system won't boot. |
| 21:51.29 | phantomcircuit | what the heck |
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| 21:51.46 | thoraxdeb | Ok, maybe not bypass. But i shouldnt see it if i only have one OS surely?? |
| 21:52.03 | Xenguy | phantomcircuit: leave my DNS alone ;-) |
| 21:52.24 | markybob | thoraxdeb, no. you should see it regardless |
| 21:52.28 | Xenguy | Remove your brutish hands from my DNS |
| 21:52.34 | markybob | thoraxdeb, you can set the timelimit |
| 21:52.43 | phantomcircuit | i guess i have router advertising turned on and that triggers rdnssd somehow |
| 21:52.46 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: Well, there are boot options even with one OS, things like rescue mode and different boot targets. |
| 21:52.51 | phantomcircuit | goes to look at process list carefully |
| 21:52.53 | thoraxdeb | Can it not just auto boot like windows? |
| 21:53.06 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: It can be hidden, Ubuntu does that by default (you press shift). |
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| 21:53.44 | c0fe_machine | First Rule of Linux thoraxdeb, nothing must work like windows |
| 21:53.48 | Xenguy | thoraxdeb: It does autoboot (or should), but if you want to save 3 seconds, you can adjust the boot time |
| 21:54.09 | markybob | thoraxdeb, you can do something like this https://paste.debian.net/313849/ |
| 21:54.21 | thoraxdeb | yeah it auto loads sure. But it takes a few more seconds. If thats normal then thats fine |
| 21:54.30 | thoraxdeb | I know i can edit the grub config, i have it open now |
| 21:54.43 | c0fe_machine | thoraxdeb: you mean grub? |
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| 21:54.59 | thoraxdeb | yeah... |
| 21:55.05 | phantomcircuit | ahhh much better :P |
| 21:55.20 | thoraxdeb | i have /etc/default/grub open in gedit as root |
| 21:55.22 | Xenguy | .oO(Ground control to Major Tom... ) |
| 21:55.24 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: I believe the setting you want is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true in /etc/default/grub - I do not recommend setting the actual timeouts to 0, because you can't get to rescue without a boot disk if you do that. |
| 21:55.37 | markybob | thoraxdeb, just told you how to edit grub config |
| 21:55.49 | Xenguy | thoraxdeb: yeah, what jhutchins said |
| 21:55.50 | thoraxdeb | Ahh awesome. I will have a look round. cheers jhutchins |
| 21:55.58 | thoraxdeb | markybob: i know how to edit grub |
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| 21:56.40 | markybob | thoraxdeb, i gave you the exact parameters to put into it to do what you want. wtf |
| 21:56.49 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: You may also need GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden |
| 21:57.20 | thoraxdeb | apologies markybob, i wasnt complaining |
| 21:57.26 | thoraxdeb | I missed your link, its late |
| 21:57.29 | fagbodildage | markybob: pearls are not often recognized |
| 21:57.59 | Xenguy | .oO(Check ignition, and may god's love be with you) |
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| 21:59.20 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: Again, I would NOT set the timeouts to 0. |
| 21:59.52 | thoraxdeb | I havent, i set the hidden timeout to 0, thts ok right? |
| 21:59.59 | jhutchins | may have to play with this a bit. I almost never boot. |
| 22:00.20 | jhutchins | thoraxdeb: Cool thing about Linux is you can try it, see what it does, and try something else! |
| 22:00.42 | thoraxdeb | cool cool |
| 22:00.55 | thoraxdeb | How do i force the update of the grub loader? |
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| 22:01.03 | fagbodildage | sudo update-grub |
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| 22:01.25 | thoraxdeb | nvm, just update-grub |
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| 22:02.46 | fagbodildage | if you are root, yes |
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| 22:03.09 | thoraxdeb | hmm... didnt work... |
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| 22:04.10 | thoraxdeb | This is my current config https://paste.debian.net/313852/ |
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| 22:06.35 | thoraxdeb | ** (gedit:1736): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-encoding not supported |
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| 22:11.30 | thoraxdeb | any ideas why it isnt working markybob? |
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| 22:18.14 | thoraxdeb | ive set the grub to hidden but it still displays |
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| 22:19.23 | c0fe_machine | thoraxdeb: what are you wanting to accomplish? |
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| 22:20.17 | thoraxdeb | Im trying to hide the grub menu so i dont have to wait 5 seconds or press enter everytime |
| 22:20.37 | thoraxdeb | https://paste.debian.net/313852/ This is my grub config at the minute |
| 22:21.34 | c0fe_machine | sec |
| 22:22.32 | thoraxdeb | When i hit save in gedit. In the terminal i get "** (gedit:3355): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-encoding not supported" |
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| 22:23.00 | c0fe_machine | thoraxdeb: you would need to set timeout to be 0 |
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| 22:23.05 | c0fe_machine | you have it set for 5 |
| 22:24.03 | thoraxdeb | But ive closed and reopened gedit, restarted my laptop and reopened it, and the changes ive made are still there |
| 22:24.10 | fagbodildage | thoraxdeb: are you running gedit as root inside an X session from a terminal? |
| 22:24.29 | thoraxdeb | I was told not to set it to 0 |
| 22:24.37 | thoraxdeb | Yes i am editing it as root |
| 22:24.40 | fagbodildage | root does not have the same environment variables as your user |
| 22:24.44 | thoraxdeb | i used "su -" |
| 22:25.24 | c0fe_machine | thoraxdeb: if you want it to skip past it then you have to though for any recovery you will have to change it back |
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| 22:25.38 | c0fe_machine | its stupid since you can't press down a button for the menu to appear |
| 22:25.43 | c0fe_machine | i brought this up before regarding grub |
| 22:25.44 | fagbodildage | what you have pasted are warnings to that effect |
| 22:25.53 | c0fe_machine | and got yelled at for it being "too windows like" ffs |
| 22:26.07 | thoraxdeb | I got yelled at? XD |
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| 22:26.22 | fagbodildage | basically, yes |
| 22:26.33 | TSPenguin | c0fe_machine, yep. Been missing that for years, same experience as you when asking about it |
| 22:26.42 | thoraxdeb | Tends to happen if you mention windows. A lot of people get mad for some reason |
| 22:26.53 | fagbodildage | those warnings might stop with gksudo... |
| 22:27.02 | thoraxdeb | Whats that? |
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| 22:27.45 | c0fe_machine | TSPenguin: this is why Linux won't go mainstream home desktops because of those nutcases |
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| 22:28.05 | fagbodildage | thoraxdeb: graphical sudo program in gnome |
| 22:28.10 | thoraxdeb | oh ok |
| 22:28.14 | thoraxdeb | Gonna restart |
| 22:28.16 | c0fe_machine | thoraxdeb: "I" as in towards me |
| 22:28.25 | fagbodildage | depends how you have your sudo set up, though |
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| 22:29.03 | c0fe_machine | asking for gnome to have a recycle bin or a usable workspace desktop |
| 22:29.06 | c0fe_machine | is also too windows like |
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| 22:30.26 | TSPenguin | people got really mad when I was asking for a "start menu" where I can search like in "windows".... whisker menu ftw |
| 22:30.41 | TSPenguin | so sad though |
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| 22:31.05 | fagbodildage | pressing the windows key in gnome activates search... |
| 22:31.28 | fagbodildage | that's enough for me |
| 22:31.40 | TSPenguin | there are a million ways to do it. I set mine to open my xfce menu which contains the search |
| 22:32.13 | fagbodildage | but I suppose I'm one of these fanatics of which you speak as I buy stickers to cover winkeys |
| 22:32.26 | fagbodildage | s/which/whom |
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| 22:32.45 | TSPenguin | THAT I do get :p |
| 22:33.25 | TSPenguin | what I never got is the inevitable hostility that arises from some peoples preference |
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| 22:33.42 | TSPenguin | it is bad enough in DE vs DE, but when it comes to windows... |
| 22:33.56 | fagbodildage | yeah, there's a lot of flamebait down that road |
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| 22:34.39 | Thorax2015 | Did i miss something? XD |
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| 22:36.11 | TSPenguin | Hello btw. I just got back to linux about a week or two ago. Was shocked that debian finaly has a pretty usable DE going. Been using linux on and off since debian ~3 |
| 22:36.20 | TSPenguin | I am going to be a regular |
| 22:36.41 | Thorax2015 | What DE you using TSPenguin ? |
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| 22:36.49 | TSPenguin | xfce |
| 22:37.26 | TSPenguin | lxde is too bare, cinnamon felt sluggishy and I missed xfce. Gnome 3 was too... yeah. And KDE I never agreed with somehow |
| 22:37.32 | fagbodildage | xfce seems to be getting a lot more use lately, or my circles have changed |
| 22:37.56 | TSPenguin | I have that impression as well |
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| 22:38.13 | TSPenguin | which is odd because it hasn't really changed or gotten more stuff in forever |
| 22:38.23 | g00se | Not surprised. Gnome has imploded and KDE is just bloat |
| 22:38.28 | TSPenguin | that being said, vsync now works pretty well with nvidia :P |
| 22:38.35 | fagbodildage | perhaps it's talking with steam users, they seem to get a big boost out of the lightness |
| 22:38.59 | TSPenguin | then why not LXDE though? I even switch to it when I need more ram for my games |
| 22:39.04 | c0fe_machine | gnome for some reason cannot have a working desktop and no recycle bin |
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| 22:39.12 | g00se | It's ugly? |
| 22:39.24 | TSPenguin | themability might be it indeed |
| 22:39.42 | TSPenguin | although I heard you can do a lot about that with LXDE nowadays |
| 22:39.45 | fagbodildage | happy medium for lightness and usability, I guess, TSPenguin; perhaps LXDE is just too lightweight for the majority |
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| 22:40.25 | fagbodildage | xfce seems to just have the right amount of everything |
| 22:40.34 | TSPenguin | I'd agree on both counts |
| 22:40.46 | Diitto | How do I install Debian ISO packages? Like, I had the option to install them by putting in another CD or a USB when I was installing it to get more packages; how do I do this when Debian is already installed? |
| 22:40.50 | g00se | thinks that if xfce tends towards bloat, may go back to stuff like fluxbox |
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| 22:41.40 | TSPenguin | I might was about to go back to fvwm2 before I tried xfce |
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| 22:42.06 | g00se | Add the cd to sources.list |
| 22:42.37 | Thorax2015 | Is it possible to reinstall debian while keeping my home directory intact? |
| 22:42.49 | TSPenguin | Diitto: man apt-cdrom |
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| 22:43.10 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015, sure. |
| 22:43.10 | fagbodildage | Thorax2015: yes, see also aptoncd |
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| 22:43.26 | markybob | i read the xfce code regularly...they're doing well. |
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| 22:43.40 | TSPenguin | good to know markybob |
| 22:43.42 | Thorax2015 | Even if the home directory is on a separate drive? |
| 22:43.48 | fagbodildage | Thorax2015: aptoncd lets you build a small cd repo of what you have installed on one system and can easily add it to your new system |
| 22:43.55 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015 that just makes it trivial :P |
| 22:44.22 | TSPenguin | didn't know about aptoncd. Good to know |
| 22:44.54 | g00se | Why not back up ~ anyway as a precaution? |
| 22:45.12 | TSPenguin | always good (never followed) advice |
| 22:45.22 | ayee | How can I have my debian mirror (which only contains amd64), not cause clients errors with apt-get updates with i386 stuff? |
| 22:45.29 | Thorax2015 | I dont want to reinstall the same packages. I was thinking, say i wanted to nuke my debian install, and put on linux mint. (Not that i want too) Just wondering if i could |
| 22:45.31 | ayee | does anyone here know about running debian mirrors? |
| 22:45.35 | ayee | Or is there a debian admin channel? |
| 22:46.11 | markybob | ayee, #debian-mentors is your best bet |
| 22:46.17 | TSPenguin | ayee, I bet there is somewhere in this list https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 22:47.40 | markybob | ayee, forgot which network i was on. that's on OFTC |
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| 22:50.13 | g00se | Thorax2015: i suppose that would depend on how much control the Mint installer gives over partitioning at install |
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| 22:50.45 | Flong | How can I trust Debian LTS to be safe and secure |
| 22:50.51 | Flong | and not to break. |
| 22:51.09 | dondelelcaro | Flong: the only thing in LTS are security updates |
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| 22:51.26 | dondelelcaro | Flong: so assuming you're using packages which are in the LTS set, they should be OK. |
| 22:51.46 | dondelelcaro | Flong: but that said, we don't guarantee anything, so if you're using Debian in production, you should deploy the security fixes after staging them. |
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| 22:52.06 | Flong | dondelelcaro, So use fedora / redhat / centos if I want gurrenteed safe updates |
| 22:52.09 | Flong | and reliability |
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| 22:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Flong: they don't guarantee that either. |
| 22:52.33 | Flong | dondelelcaro, redhat does |
| 22:52.38 | Flong | Redhat / Fedora |
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| 22:52.51 | dondelelcaro | Flong: No, Redhat will support you if you have a support contract, but they don't guarantee it. |
| 22:52.57 | Flong | I'm also trying to avoid systemd. |
| 22:53.00 | Flong | :| |
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| 22:53.20 | Thorax2015_ | So i just installed xfce in debian. Using this https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce How do i switch to it? |
| 22:53.29 | dondelelcaro | if you want someone to guarantee something, you'll have to have an SLA, which RH can do. If you want to use Debian, Credativ can probably work on an SLA with you too. |
| 22:54.12 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015_ select the xfce session in your DM (at graphical login) |
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| 22:54.20 | Thorax2015_ | ahh ok cool |
| 22:54.26 | Thorax2015_ | Cheers TSPenguin |
| 22:54.29 | TSPenguin | sure |
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| 22:54.35 | TSPenguin | get whisker menu |
| 22:54.42 | TSPenguin | and menulibre |
| 22:54.47 | TSPenguin | *nod* |
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| 22:58.54 | Thorax2015 | Hmm... not sure if xfce is nice looking, or retro looking |
| 22:59.06 | TSPenguin | theme it |
| 22:59.10 | Flong | dondelelcaro, what are the chances of Debian breaking on me? |
| 22:59.21 | TSPenguin | you can make it look however you want essentially |
| 22:59.55 | Flong | Debian isn't known for looking pretty |
| 23:00.02 | Flong | It's known for working well, as long as you don't apt-get upgrade |
| 23:00.29 | rainfyre | Flong: um, no. |
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| 23:00.46 | rainfyre | Flong: keeping your system up to date is what's going to keep it stable. |
| 23:00.46 | Flong | rainfyre, um, yea. |
| 23:00.56 | Flong | I broke my last install by doing apt-get upgrade |
| 23:01.01 | rainfyre | Flong: suit yourself |
| 23:01.01 | Flong | It wouldn't boot after. |
| 23:01.12 | Flong | that's why I'm worried about using hte LTS repos |
| 23:01.27 | rainfyre | Flong: this is debian. there aren't lts repos |
| 23:01.38 | Thorax2015 | I think Gnome looks really damn nice |
| 23:01.46 | Flong | rainfyre, there are. |
| 23:01.49 | Thorax2015 | Works really nice too |
| 23:01.54 | Flong | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ |
| 23:01.55 | crippledmonk | isn't centos7 on systemd now also? |
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| 23:02.04 | Thorax2015 | No program search on xfce |
| 23:02.15 | Flong | There is truly no escaping systemd. |
| 23:02.38 | rainfyre | Flong: squeeze is old-stable. |
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| 23:03.23 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015 Like I said, whisker menu. Absolutely essential IMO |
| 23:03.40 | Thorax2015 | Whisker menu? |
| 23:03.42 | Flong | rainfyre, That changes nothing. |
| 23:03.51 | Flong | I've been using Debian since 05~ |
| 23:03.56 | TSPenguin | Flong LTS for debian is merely extending support for releases that are not the current stable anymore |
| 23:04.08 | Flong | TSPenguin, how long is stable |
| 23:04.11 | TSPenguin | and they have their own IRC channel |
| 23:04.12 | rainfyre | Flong: dunno, haven't been on squeeze since wheezy came out. you've been on debian since 05 and apt-get upgrade broke your box? |
| 23:04.30 | rainfyre | Flong: did you update your sources list etc etc? |
| 23:04.42 | Flong | rainfyre, no. |
| 23:04.44 | TSPenguin | Flong, no idea. I learned about the existence of LTS from you |
| 23:04.50 | rainfyre | same ^^ |
| 23:04.57 | Flong | >.> |
| 23:04.57 | rainfyre | No reason to be on squeeze |
| 23:04.59 | Flong | I love Debian |
| 23:05.11 | teraflops | TSPenguin: then stop using it, and stop complaining |
| 23:05.12 | Flong | I hate the extra cruft that it brings. |
| 23:05.17 | teraflops | sorry I mean Flong |
| 23:05.21 | rainfyre | Flong: then use arch |
| 23:05.25 | Flong | rainfyre, teraflops no. |
| 23:05.36 | Flong | rainfyre, Arch breaks if you look at it wrong. |
| 23:05.40 | rainfyre | haha |
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| 23:05.49 | Flong | I learned my lesson never to use an Arch based server. |
| 23:05.52 | Flong | All my files. Gone |
| 23:06.06 | Flong | I'm not going to talk about htat |
| 23:06.15 | rainfyre | who runs bleeding edge on a server? |
| 23:06.20 | Flong | rainfyre, do you know how to do an absolute minimal install? |
| 23:06.24 | teraflops | rainfyre: I do, sometimes |
| 23:06.26 | Flong | Someone who was new to Linux on servers... |
| 23:06.55 | rainfyre | do netinstalls with no gui |
| 23:07.02 | teraflops | rainfyre: I do GIS on a couple or arch servers in production |
| 23:07.09 | rainfyre | teraflops: wowsers |
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| 23:07.23 | rainfyre | Flong: by absolute minimum do you mean netinstall? |
| 23:07.39 | Flong | rainfyre, That's the most minimal I can get? |
| 23:07.47 | rainfyre | Flong: with no gui, yes. |
| 23:07.56 | rainfyre | Flong: as far as I know, that's how I do it anyway |
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| 23:08.09 | Flong | rainfyre, Doing a netinstall |
| 23:08.14 | Flong | then adding OpenBox ontop |
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| 23:08.27 | g00se | !tell Flong about minimum install |
| 23:08.28 | Flong | rainfyre, I'm using Debian + KVM and SSH Forwarding on a T420 |
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| 23:09.22 | rainfyre | Flong: nice. I like xfce4 if I want a full desktop but I use i3 99% of the time |
| 23:09.24 | g00se | !tell Flong about minimal install |
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| 23:11.41 | Thorax2015 | Wow. XCFE is pretty horrible it seems |
| 23:11.53 | Thorax2015 | Changing themes seems to break everything |
| 23:12.08 | Thorax2015 | Some things change, others dont |
| 23:12.22 | Thorax2015 | start button does nothing in xfce |
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| 23:12.55 | TSPenguin | that is because you have rather fine grained control. You can change the window decorations, the color schemes etc independently |
| 23:13.05 | TSPenguin | start button you can bind manually quite easily |
| 23:13.13 | c0fe | in xfce TSPenguin? |
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| 23:13.54 | Thorax2015 | So, under appearance, i changed style, and it only changes some bits |
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| 23:14.56 | SuperTramp83 | Xfce works perfectly fine here.. |
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| 23:15.37 | TSPenguin | c0fe, yes |
| 23:15.48 | c0fe | i see |
| 23:15.51 | Xenguy | I thought XFCE was pretty mature by now |
| 23:15.58 | Thorax2015 | I cant take a screenshot to show what i mean |
| 23:16.10 | Xenguy | Haven't used it in ages tho, maybe they broke it? ;) |
| 23:16.24 | c0fe | I thought XFCE went out of development, aka abandoned |
| 23:16.40 | g00se | Far from it |
| 23:16.42 | Xenguy | really? If so, I've been under a rock |
| 23:16.44 | cxd13 | when a DE is shipped in stable repos, it's considered stable. if something is "horrible" and breaks everything, it's your fault |
| 23:17.02 | Xenguy | point taken |
| 23:17.05 | mtn | it is called "pebcak" |
| 23:17.12 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015 go to the window manager settings |
| 23:17.16 | Xenguy | hah, classic |
| 23:17.38 | Xenguy | !pebcak |
| 23:17.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 23:17.41 | cxd13 | c0fe: no, xfce just had a new version released this year |
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| 23:17.50 | Xenguy | hah, it still works \o/ |
| 23:18.10 | Xenguy | (As you can see, it's been awhile |
| 23:18.11 | Xenguy | ) |
| 23:18.37 | TSPenguin | Does that reflect on the state of Xen? |
| 23:18.39 | TSPenguin | :p |
| 23:18.41 | Thorax2015 | Using the screenshot app doesnt allow me to copy the image to clipboard |
| 23:19.10 | Xenguy | I have to ditch the nick I think, cos I adopted that *before* Xen, but of course, now (and then), people kept asking, naturally |
| 23:19.13 | teraflops | whatever | xclip |
| 23:19.17 | Xenguy | hah, what can you do? |
| 23:19.18 | rainfyre | i've been using xfce4 for so long it's all just normal now. |
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| 23:19.34 | Thorax2015 | http://i.imgur.com/u8S2kba.png |
| 23:19.34 | Thorax2015 | Here, looks like shit |
| 23:19.36 | TSPenguin | Xenguy, I feel for you... |
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| 23:19.51 | Xenguy | It's a true story, I kid you not |
| 23:20.12 | Xenguy | My crystal ball was broken that day I suppose |
| 23:20.13 | rainfyre | wow that looks terrible. ha |
| 23:20.14 | TSPenguin | I believe you... Nobody believes me about my nick either. |
| 23:20.40 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015, like I said, whisker menu. And your lack of themes is exactly your fault :P |
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| 23:21.05 | Thorax2015 | Its my fault??? |
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| 23:21.44 | TSPenguin | You complain it looks like shit, but you do not check out how people make it look however they want. There are hundreds of themes |
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| 23:22.36 | rainfyre | I downloaded and installed my themes, icon packs etc, but i'm so used to tweaking xfce4 that it's just a no brainer now. |
| 23:22.50 | rainfyre | just takes a little playing with. |
| 23:22.57 | Thorax2015 | There could be an infinite amount of themes. It wouldnt matter, changing them doesnt affect everything |
| 23:23.21 | rainfyre | right |
| 23:23.59 | Thorax2015 | I do like it. But i also like how Gnome is |
| 23:24.30 | rainfyre | I was running so many boxes with almost no memory that I started using xfce on them all |
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| 23:24.50 | TSPenguin | I guess it depends on how much you want your DE to be you and how much you are willing to make that happen |
| 23:24.59 | rainfyre | yes |
| 23:25.08 | rainfyre | i work better when all my stuff is how i like it |
| 23:25.21 | rainfyre | that's why we love *nix right? |
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| 23:25.32 | Thorax2015 | Indeed |
| 23:26.09 | Xenguy | I've been running LXDE lately and liking it |
| 23:26.28 | Xenguy | I believe it may be even lighter footprint than XCDE |
| 23:26.30 | rainfyre | that's cool, i've used it when i tried knoppix years ago |
| 23:26.33 | rainfyre | it is |
| 23:26.45 | TSPenguin | I started my install with all DEs installed except KDE. So I had a ton of themes to choose from for my xfce. I am running blackbird right now |
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| 23:26.58 | rainfyre | wow cool haha. |
| 23:27.03 | Thorax2015 | I like how modern Gnome looks. Thats the main reason ive been liking Debian. xfce feels like ive gone back to windows 98 or something :P |
| 23:27.06 | Xenguy | I have manually umount plugable devices, but it will mount them automatically |
| 23:27.13 | rainfyre | lol Thorax2015 |
| 23:27.28 | Thorax2015 | XD |
| 23:27.30 | rainfyre | Thorax2015: if you think that's primitive, check out i3 lol |
| 23:27.37 | Xenguy | I like the GNOME 2 GUI the best; was just perfect for me, and my hardware |
| 23:27.40 | Thorax2015 | No im alright :P |
| 23:27.48 | rainfyre | i used gnome3 on arch years ago, pretty slick |
| 23:28.04 | rainfyre | Xenguy: yep, gnome's glory days |
| 23:28.18 | TSPenguin | Thorax2015 you might want to look into using a dock like cairo-dock on top of xfce |
| 23:28.25 | Xenguy | Like WP5.1, they just got it right ;) |
| 23:28.33 | teraflops | rainfyre: tilling is not primitive, is advanced and clever |
| 23:28.45 | Thorax2015 | So, app search on the menu. What was it called? |
| 23:28.51 | TSPenguin | whisker menu |
