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| 00:21.43 | otyugh | hey |
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| 00:22.55 | mountaingoat | has anybody used ssh-regen-startup.service on debian jessie? |
| 00:23.15 | mountaingoat | it seems to hang for me on a downstream "systemctl restart ssh.service" command |
| 00:23.18 | maazu | mountaingoat: serving sshd? |
| 00:23.20 | mountaingoat | almost like it's in some sort of deadlock |
| 00:23.30 | mountaingoat | maazu: ultimately yes |
| 00:23.35 | maazu | no |
| 00:23.37 | mountaingoat | after i get the host keys generated |
| 00:24.11 | cxd13 | is there some test i can do to see if my fglrx is working correctly? when i play a video that supposed to be 1080p it doesn't look any better than 720p |
| 00:24.34 | mountaingoat | maazu: relevant snippet http://pastebin.com/x9S8nucA |
| 00:24.52 | mountaingoat | it actually finishes generating the host keys, but then hangs on that restart |
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| 00:28.23 | otyugh | do mumble use TCP or UDP ? |
| 00:29.13 | otyugh | the two. Wok. |
| 00:30.08 | aphorise | Can a process leave resources in `lsof` on SIGABRT? - struggling with a process complaing about a port not being open which it clearerly is - trying to figure out what it may have left behind. |
| 00:30.52 | Brigo | aphorise, no, the process should be still running. |
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| 00:31.29 | Brigo | aphorise, what's the output of lsof about that port? |
| 00:31.32 | aphorise | Brigo but thats my issue its not running. |
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| 00:31.55 | aphorise | Brigo none.. the port is not in use / listed anywhere. |
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| 00:32.36 | aphorise | & I'm sure its available via nc & just `exec<>/dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/445` |
| 00:32.39 | Brigo | aphorise, so it is not lsof related, isn't it? i think i am not getting it. |
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| 00:33.59 | Brigo | aphorise, /dev/tcp ? what's that? |
| 00:34.07 | Brigo | there is no /dev/tcp in my system |
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| 00:36.39 | Brigo | aphorise, ah, not enable by default in debian |
| 00:39.16 | aphorise | its ultra strange this issue I'm having is driving me mad. Its a node.js process that I terminate - and want to restart but then occasioanlly it refuses to open on that specific port for sometime like days maybe - then evetually I can restart it... and meanwhile I've tried droping vm cahche - but i just cant find whats its problem. |
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| 00:42.02 | aphorise | I've tried looking in all the obvious places /tmp /var & such but its insane... I've deduced almost every factor including the containing screen session that holds all the process - but its not that. |
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| 00:43.29 | otyugh | as a noob exposive a not sensitive server ton the internet (mumble server for the moment) ; I want to get to know computer attempt to connect mine and if the succeed at establishing anything. Is there to just get theses info "raw" into a text file I could parse later on ? |
| 00:43.38 | otyugh | *exposing |
| 00:43.47 | darsie | nvidia doesn't receive interrupts from my 9500GT on jessie 32 bit, either. |
| 00:43.58 | otyugh | I'm looking for tools names |
| 00:44.06 | otyugh | that would be headless |
| 00:44.10 | darsie | ubuntu just crashed. |
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| 00:44.50 | Brigo | aphorise, does your bash support /dev/tcp? :-/ |
| 00:45.04 | markybob | darsie, we don't care/support ubuntu |
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| 00:45.24 | darsie | markybob: just reporting what I tried. |
| 00:46.28 | markybob | darsie, great. still not debian |
| 00:46.47 | darsie | It works in my brothers PC, and debian 6. So it's not clearly a hardware issue. |
| 00:46.56 | darsie | debian 6 on my PC. |
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| 00:47.12 | aphorise | Brigo what happens when you try it? `exec 6<>/dev/tcp/127.0.0.1/80 || echo 'Nothing here'#` |
| 00:47.51 | Brigo | aphorise, my bash doesn't support /dev/tcp, it is compiled without support for that. |
| 00:48.03 | Brigo | aphorise, that's why i am asking you. |
| 00:48.09 | aphorise | I do have yes. |
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| 00:52.20 | darsie | I'll try wheezy ... |
| 00:52.55 | Brigo | aphorise, when you open the port, do you check it is closed with netstat? |
| 00:53.07 | Brigo | aphorise, at the end, i mean, of course. |
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| 00:56.57 | aphorise | Brigo yes all net activity related to that port as far as I can see are not there... already stopped... I've confirmed even using apache on the same port which opens fine and all good. |
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| 00:57.24 | Brigo | aphorise, then the port isn't the problem. |
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| 00:58.12 | Brigo | then the aplication thinks the port is used, even when the port is free, is that the problem? |
| 00:58.13 | aphorise | Indeed... but I just dont understand via what mechanism node would mange these sorts of things that even on a restart it would stumble where there are no os issues. |
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| 00:58.59 | Brigo | aphorise, i would use strace and see what files uses. |
| 00:59.23 | Brigo | aphorise, or report a bug. :) |
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| 01:01.19 | otyugh | ,v snort |
| 01:01.20 | judd | Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5 |
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| 01:03.51 | aedend | new to debian and just ran 'mount' and noticed some things I'm not familiar with seeing. https://paste.debian.net/314014/ Where can I get more information on what is listed? |
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| 01:05.56 | otyugh | I don't find the "snort" package |
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| 01:06.06 | otyugh | why that judd say it exists ? oO |
| 01:06.53 | jordanm | because it does exist, just not in jessie |
| 01:06.58 | dvs | not on jessie |
| 01:07.15 | otyugh | hum. Right. Why that ? :o |
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| 01:07.36 | jordanm | aedend: which part are you not familiar with? |
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| 01:09.12 | aedend | jordanm, the listings for cgroup on /sys/fs/cgroup |
| 01:09.54 | jordanm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups |
| 01:10.09 | jordanm | they are generally setup and managed by systemd |
| 01:10.31 | jordanm | or docker is some cases |
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| 01:11.58 | jordanm | otyugh: most likely it had a release critical bug that was not resolved in time for the release |
| 01:12.16 | aedend | jordanm, ok, thank you for the link |
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| 01:13.51 | jordanm | otyugh: https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2014/11/msg00406.html |
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| 01:15.11 | Mia | hey all |
| 01:15.20 | Mia | how can I start screen on boot? |
| 01:16.02 | markybob | Mia, install gdm3 or lightdm or something similar |
| 01:16.08 | Mia | adding screen to rc.local didn't work |
| 01:16.16 | Mia | markybob, hm what are those :O |
| 01:16.46 | Mia | markybob, AH - I mean start the program called "screen" |
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| 01:16.50 | Mia | apt-get install screen |
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| 01:16.56 | Mia | markybob, ^ |
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| 01:17.11 | markybob | xoh |
| 01:17.14 | downhill | hi |
| 01:17.46 | otyugh | jordanm: thanks |
| 01:18.02 | downhill | It is known that postgresql and postfix doesn't work? |
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| 01:18.36 | markybob | Mia, maybe su - username -c "/usr/bin/screen -dmS test bash -c '/var/www/path/to/script/script.sh; exec bash'" |
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| 01:19.03 | Mia | markybob, I don't have a part to any script |
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| 01:19.14 | Mia | I just want to initiate a new session and display it on my monitor every time I boot |
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| 01:21.07 | downhill | To get Postfix and Postgresql working.. ich have to uncomment everything in the Postfix configs for psql |
| 01:21.58 | jair | hello debian masters would you know what is the name of the channel for Linux Mysql and PHP developers? |
| 01:22.03 | jair | LAMP? |
| 01:22.09 | jair | I missed apache |
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| 01:23.40 | Mia | hmm |
| 01:23.59 | Mia | markybob, tried adding your line into rc.local -- didn't work |
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| 01:24.27 | Mia | I mean it messes up rc.local |
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| 01:25.48 | abrotman | jair: really? /msg alis help |
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| 01:26.08 | jair | abrotman: so sorry getting out of your face |
| 01:26.11 | jair | :( |
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| 01:26.37 | Thorax2015 | Hi all. Where are the default gnome backgrounds stored? I found /usr/shared/background... But they arent all in there. Any ideas? Cheers! |
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| 01:33.16 | downhill | Who's responsible for postfix.. and why do I have to disable psql: for everything if I want to update it? |
| 01:36.29 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
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| 01:38.09 | downhill | It's like that.. i have to disable everything psql: since forever |
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| 01:39.47 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense .. |
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| 01:40.54 | downhill | I have commented out everything not psql:, but postfix-postgresql just gets a "doesn't work" |
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| 01:44.04 | downhill | I need to get to everything out, else aptitude upgrade will not work |
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| 01:46.07 | downhill | Or short.. postfix and postfix-postgresql doesn't work |
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| 01:49.51 | Thorax2015 | xfce help button. Opens a webpage... with screenshots of the windows you asked help for... Nothing else. Love it. |
| 01:50.35 | downhill | Helps nothing.. if it is a server |
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| 01:55.34 | downhill | sorry, it is a server |
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| 01:58.30 | Thorax2015 | OK. im trying to add a shortcut for the "xfce-popup-whiskermenu" bt when i click "add" on the "Application Shortcuts" window. All i get is a text box for the command and not the shortcut. |
| 01:58.46 | Thorax2015 | ugh... nevermind |
| 01:59.01 | Thorax2015 | It wants you to press the key, but doesnt really make it obvious |
| 01:59.06 | downhill | Yep.. no xfce here |
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| 01:59.44 | Thorax2015 | Honestly not sure what i think to xfce myself downhill. It looks like shit, and its the least user friendly DE ive used |
| 02:00.13 | downhill | I don't like it |
| 02:00.30 | Thorax2015 | What do you use? |
| 02:00.41 | Thorax2015 | And why does XFCE need its own version of terminal?? |
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| 02:00.59 | downhill | screen more or less |
| 02:01.08 | Thorax2015 | screen eh? |
| 02:01.56 | downhill | Yep |
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| 02:04.13 | Thorax2015 | downhill, I dont know anything about screen. Not heard of it before now. Whats good about it? |
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| 02:05.00 | downhill | Thorax2015: It's about multiple screens |
| 02:05.33 | Thorax2015 | downhill, you cant have multiple screens with other DE's? |
| 02:06.44 | downhill | Thorax2015: Well, strg+2 is a screen, +strg+3 is a screen, and so on |
| 02:07.25 | Thorax2015 | I have no idea what that means... |
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| 02:08.10 | downhill | Thorax2015: I can see multiple screens ;) |
| 02:08.25 | Thorax2015 | So can I in every DE ive used |
| 02:09.45 | dvs | Thorax2015: But can you do it in a console? |
| 02:09.48 | downhill | Thorax2015: Okay |
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| 02:13.35 | downhill | dvs: Yeah, i can do it in a console |
| 02:13.45 | Thorax2015 | What would be the easiest way to remove xfce? Reinstall Debian or use the terminal to remove it. BAre in mind i have nothing on the computer im bothered about keeping |
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| 02:15.51 | downhill | Thorax2015: Ok :) |
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| 02:18.27 | Mia | Hey all |
| 02:18.34 | Mia | how can I start a gnu screen after boot |
| 02:18.35 | Thorax2015 | Hello |
| 02:18.41 | Mia | I want the started screen to be active |
| 02:19.02 | Mia | (not using a de - only command line) |
| 02:19.10 | downhill | Mia: screeen -UDr? |
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| 02:19.37 | Mia | checking downhill ! |
| 02:19.44 | Mia | is that in rc.local |
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| 02:20.29 | downhill | Doesn't help much |
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| 02:20.52 | Stevie-O | greetings, mortals |
| 02:21.22 | Stevie-O | I have installed Debian on this chromebook and turned it into a thing of beauty |
| 02:21.24 | Mia | downhill, where do I put the screen command ? |
| 02:21.41 | downhill | Do it after you login |
| 02:21.53 | Thorax2015 | Stevie-O, What DE? |
| 02:21.57 | Stevie-O | KDE |
| 02:22.01 | Thorax2015 | GAH1 |
| 02:22.03 | Mia | no, I mean, I want to autostart screen hehe |
| 02:22.07 | Thorax2015 | I cant stand KDE |
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| 02:22.13 | Stevie-O | I've always preferred KDE to GNOME. Guess that makes me weird. |
| 02:22.16 | Mia | ^ downhill |
| 02:22.21 | Stevie-O | regardless |
| 02:22.24 | downhill | Doesn't work |
| 02:22.28 | Thorax2015 | KDE just seems to be filled with so much bloat |
| 02:22.30 | Stevie-O | Now I wish to do one more thing: create a passwordless 'guest' account that anybody in my family can use the thing in a pinch |
| 02:22.38 | Mia | downhill, yes it does not --- |
| 02:22.41 | Mia | what should I do |
| 02:23.04 | Mia | I can start a deattached screen with sudo username -c "screen -d" |
| 02:23.12 | Mia | I put this in rc.local |
| 02:23.20 | Mia | it starts fine, but it's not attached |
| 02:23.20 | HarveyPwca | Create a "guest" account and tape the password to the machine. |
| 02:23.25 | downhill | Ok, it can work |
| 02:23.39 | Stevie-O | I'm not taping a password to my laptop |
| 02:23.40 | Mia | I need it to be attached though --- as the main console |
| 02:24.11 | Mia | I mean instead of the regular console I want screen to be active |
| 02:24.41 | Stevie-O | Mia: if you want two different connections to access the same screen at the same time, use 'screen -x' |
| 02:24.56 | downhill | erm.. ssh rein... das funktioniert normalerweise besser |
| 02:25.20 | Mia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.48 | Mia | that's what I'm trying to achieve Stevie-O |
| 02:26.20 | Stevie-O | for a specific user? |
| 02:26.27 | Stevie-O | because that I can help you with |
| 02:26.29 | Mia | hmm does not matter |
| 02:26.34 | Stevie-O | well |
| 02:26.42 | Stevie-O | it has to be associated with a specific user |
| 02:26.48 | Mia | I mean I'm runing raspbian on my raspberry pi 2 |
| 02:26.54 | Mia | and I have a tft attched to it |
| 02:26.55 | Stevie-O | then the 'pi' user |
| 02:27.03 | Mia | I connect to it via ssh and I want to see the commands I type on the tft |
| 02:27.05 | downhill | Und? |
| 02:27.11 | Mia | so I need both of the command promts to be the same |
| 02:27.12 | Stevie-O | ooooh |
| 02:27.13 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 02:27.14 | Mia | that's why I use screen |
| 02:27.16 | Stevie-O | so this is a specialized setup |
| 02:27.36 | Stevie-O | MIa, what if you ssh in from two places |
| 02:27.54 | downhill | Log ein, mach screen, dann passt das |
| 02:28.08 | Mia | I mean, when I start a screen session and login from both my ssh and my rpi it works fine, because my rpi and my ssh sees (and writes) to the same "screen" |
| 02:28.23 | Stevie-O | right |
| 02:28.29 | Stevie-O | but you want that to be like, automatic |
| 02:28.33 | Mia | so simply, I need a screen named "tft" and I need it to be running on bott on my rpi |
| 02:28.50 | Stevie-O | does your pi boot a GUI? |
| 02:28.56 | downhill | hrhr |
| 02:29.05 | Stevie-O | or did you turn that off somehow |
| 02:29.07 | Mia | so that when I want to display something specific on my rpi tft, I'll just ssh and attach the tft screen and run whatever is necessary |
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| 02:29.21 | darsie | Will an XFree86 nvidia driver work with Xorg? |
| 02:29.22 | Mia | I turned off the gui boot yes, so it's all command prompt atm |
| 02:29.27 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 02:29.28 | Mia | it logs in to my "pi" user automatically |
| 02:29.34 | Stevie-O | so first thing you need to do is |
| 02:29.38 | Stevie-O | figure out *how* it does that |
| 02:29.40 | Stevie-O | I don't have a pi handy |
| 02:30.02 | Stevie-O | it probably runs something like "su - pi" |
| 02:30.17 | Mia | hm |
| 02:30.23 | downhill | hrhr |
| 02:30.27 | Mia | I can leave it as default as well --- so that it does not auto login |
| 02:30.37 | Stevie-O | that's not what I mean |
| 02:30.46 | Stevie-O | Mia, a secret to Linux is: there is no magic |
| 02:30.53 | Stevie-O | anything that seems like magic is smoke and mirrors |
| 02:30.58 | Mia | :D |
| 02:31.00 | downhill | There is magic... :P |
| 02:31.03 | Stevie-O | automatic login = magic -> smoke and mirrors |
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| 02:31.28 | Stevie-O | actually that's true for all computers, not just Linux systems, but in Linux the backstage door's unlocked |
| 02:31.32 | Mia | no what I mean is --- if it helps -- I can disable it |
| 02:31.35 | Stevie-O | no |
| 02:31.42 | Stevie-O | what you need to do is find the command it runs that creates the login shell |
| 02:31.43 | downhill | nods to Stevie-O |
| 02:31.58 | Stevie-O | it'd be something like |
| 02:31.59 | Stevie-O | su - pi |
| 02:32.15 | Stevie-O | or maybe |
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| 02:32.22 | Stevie-O | login -f pi |
| 02:32.30 | downhill | There is magic.. have fun :P |
| 02:32.59 | Stevie-O | hah! |
| 02:33.03 | Stevie-O | Mia: /etc/inittab |
| 02:33.22 | downhill | Stevie-O: Damn, don't tell everything |
| 02:33.47 | Stevie-O | downhill: hey, people can't learn things if nobody's willing to teach them |
| 02:33.54 | Mia | checking Stevie-O !! |
| 02:34.07 | Mia | mean downhill mean *tsk tsk tsk* |
| 02:34.11 | downhill | Stevie-O: Ok, you are right |
| 02:34.42 | Stevie-O | remembers downloading a .c file to a floppy, using gcc to compile it, and insmod to load it -- it was a device driver for his NIC |
| 02:34.42 | Mia | Stevie-O, inittab is empty (sudo nano) |
| 02:34.46 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 02:34.51 | Mia | by the way is the command promt called.... command prompt O_O |
| 02:35.04 | Mia | in linux I mean |
| 02:35.18 | Stevie-O | if you mean the counterpart to the Windows command prompt |
| 02:35.20 | Stevie-O | it's called a shell |
| 02:35.20 | downhill | *hmpf* Whistle :P |
| 02:35.27 | Mia | Ah shell thanks! |
| 02:35.27 | Stevie-O | Mia: ok, somewhere else then |
| 02:35.35 | Mia | yes --- where can it be I have no idea |
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| 02:35.45 | Mia | as you know I didn't even know that it was called a shell >.< |
| 02:35.49 | Stevie-O | maybe #rpi might have an idea |
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| 02:36.01 | Mia | Tbh I have no idea what we're searching for so it makes things a tad harder for me |
| 02:36.07 | downhill | DAmn, I am the big bad, ain't I? |
| 02:36.18 | Stevie-O | or #raspberrypi |
| 02:36.22 | blommer | cell radio doesn't have to work as hard, at least on T-Mobile |
| 02:36.29 | Mia | I already asked in #raspberrypi |
| 02:36.36 | Mia | let me paste my weird question |
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| 02:38.08 | markybob | Mia, we still don't support it |
| 02:38.32 | Mia | markybob, support what O_O |
| 02:38.41 | downhill | Damn, fuck it |
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| 02:38.50 | Mia | X_______X |
| 02:39.58 | downhill | Mia: Damn, ich helfe dir |
| 02:40.12 | markybob | Mia, rasp anything |
| 02:41.19 | downhill | Mia: Ok, was brauchst du? |
| 02:41.44 | Mia | ich have to lern deutsch |
| 02:42.03 | Mia | damn google translate would do 10 times better |
| 02:42.19 | downhill | I can help you, even if my english isn't too good |
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| 03:03.19 | Thorax2015 | DEAR LORD! KDE is awful! |
| 03:03.27 | Thorax2015 | How the hell do i format a usb in KDE??? |
| 03:04.22 | dvs | gparted? |
| 03:04.46 | Thorax2015 | Why cant i just right click and format like every other DE? |
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| 03:11.32 | Thorax2015 | wow... KDE |
| 03:11.51 | ryouma | i had no idea de's formatted |
| 03:11.59 | Thorax2015 | ? |
| 03:12.11 | ryouma | surely you can just select a graphical disk formatter? |
| 03:12.19 | ryouma | or use a terminal? |
| 03:12.41 | ryouma | s/just // |
| 03:12.48 | Thorax2015 | Im not sayng the DE's format it themselves. But their file explorer usually has an option on right click |
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| 03:16.17 | shawn1 | I use mkfs.* to format USB sticks |
| 03:16.25 | shawn1 | They don't need to be partitioned |
| 03:16.28 | shawn1 | Usually |
| 03:16.44 | shawn1 | Format the /dev/sdX directly |
| 03:17.06 | ryouma | i heard you usually want a partition,but don't know why |
| 03:17.24 | shawn1 | Wibdows prefers no partitions unless there is no removable bit |
| 03:17.39 | shawn1 | But it will work with no partition in windows either way |
| 03:17.49 | shawn1 | If removable bit and your partition it it won't work |
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| 03:18.08 | shawn1 | S/your/you |
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| 03:21.00 | Bennux | mkfs.? /dev/sdXY |
| 03:22.09 | iio7 | I have created a debian installation in a chroot using debootstrap (on Debian) and outside the chroot I can see the processes from the chroot (apache, mysql, etc). I if exit the chroot and simply removes the chroot dir, will the proccesses go away, or do I need to reboot or something? |
| 03:24.26 | iio7 | Halt or shutdown from inside the chroot isn't working: shutdown: /run/initctl: No such file or directory init: /run/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 03:25.19 | Dan39 | iio7: i bet processes would keep running but output errors |
| 03:25.32 | Dan39 | and yea isnt that what a chroot should do? :P |
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| 03:26.23 | Thorax2015 | Oh dear lord. How do i log out of KDE??? |
| 03:26.40 | iio7 | Maybe I have misunderstood, but what is the normal "shutdown" procedure after hawing done testing in a chroot installation of Debian? |
| 03:26.49 | Thorax2015 | The "Leave" button of the app menu does nothing |
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| 03:49.20 | tetkurmukoo | hi I need gcc-multilib for jessie arm, does anyone know how I can install it? |
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| 03:57.36 | Thorax2015 | ok, i give up. Im trying to create a bootable usb from iso in debian gnome. Im wanting to try out opensuse tumbleweed |
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| 04:40.35 | shawn1 | Thorax2015: what do you want, a persistent debian USB? |
| 04:40.43 | shawn1 | Or a multiboot usb |
| 04:41.07 | Thorax2015 | No i just want to create a bootable usb to install opensuse |
| 04:41.09 | shawn1 | The persistence is easy to achieve |
| 04:41.13 | Thorax2015 | Using Debian to create it |
| 04:41.28 | shawn1 | This is not opensuse support |
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| 04:42.11 | Thorax2015 | No i know its not. But i cant find any infor on how to create one from debian, only in opensuse... |
| 04:42.39 | shawn1 | Catch 22 |
| 04:42.53 | shawn1 | Still not a #debian support issue |
| 04:43.42 | arahael | I'm intruged, what was that issue? |
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| 04:44.10 | shawn1 | Lets continue in #debian-offtopic with the answer to the question: have you tried raw writing the ISO to the /dev/sdX ? |
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| 04:53.27 | unexampled | hi |
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| 04:55.39 | lindylex | If NV driver was discontinued and replaced with nouveau. Why does Linux Wheezy PPC install searches for NV driver in Xorg.0.log [ 43.217] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)? |
| 04:55.56 | lindylex | I boot up to a black screen. |
| 04:56.08 | lindylex | On my PPC G4 Desktop. |
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| 05:01.21 | darsie | omg, I found an nvidia driver that works with my computer :))))))). 304.128 |
| 05:01.56 | darsie | I have now 1600x1200@86 Hz and 6200 fps with glxgears. |
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| 05:07.40 | lindylex | darsie: I wish I was signing the same tune. |
| 05:07.53 | darsie | lindylex: What's your problem? |
| 05:08.05 | lindylex | If NV driver was discontinued and replaced with nouveau. Why does Linux Wheezy PPC install searches for NV driver in Xorg.0.log [ 43.217] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)? |
| 05:08.36 | lindylex | It boots up to a black screen on my PPC G4 Desktop. |
| 05:08.59 | darsie | I wouldn't worry about nv. It's just not there. There's nouveau and nvidia. |
| 05:09.24 | lindylex | It is for a PPC so nvidia does not compile a binary for thsi. |
| 05:09.34 | darsie | Try nouveau then. |
| 05:09.37 | darsie | or vesa |
| 05:09.44 | lindylex | nouveau does not seem to work or the pass off is not working. |
| 05:09.47 | darsie | vesa is lame, but ofter works. |
| 05:09.54 | darsie | often |
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| 05:11.36 | lindylex | I tried Debian, 7 and 8 and Ubuntu 14.4 all the same black screen after booting up. |
| 05:11.52 | darsie | Can you get to a console? |
| 05:11.59 | lindylex | no |
| 05:12.01 | darsie | or ssh to your box? |
| 05:12.07 | lindylex | ssh yes |
| 05:12.20 | darsie | Do you see boot messages? |
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| 05:13.04 | darsie | checking disks, starting network, etc etc? |
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| 05:14.14 | lindylex | Here are my Kernel log and Xor logs. http://pastebin.com/xAxXBDu2 |
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| 05:15.44 | darsie | lindylex: Do you see the kernel and package messages during boot? |
| 05:16.16 | lindylex | I see lots of stuff. |
| 05:16.19 | darsie | good |
| 05:16.30 | lindylex | ANd then it goes to a blak screen |
| 05:16.34 | darsie | ok |
| 05:16.44 | darsie | bad |
| 05:17.49 | darsie | try ctrl-alt-f1 when it's black. |
| 05:17.56 | lindylex | does nothing |
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| 05:18.17 | darsie | If you disable Xorg (how?) I guess you would get a console. |
| 05:18.28 | darsie | Not sure if that helps. |
| 05:18.48 | darsie | maybe uninstall window manager. |
| 05:18.49 | lindylex | I can ssh into it. |
| 05:18.52 | darsie | ok |
| 05:19.08 | darsie | Does anything happen when you restart the window manager? |
| 05:19.17 | darsie | like /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 05:19.33 | darsie | or /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 05:19.35 | lindylex | It is a black screen. I have nothing to restart. |
| 05:19.38 | darsie | does that give you a console? |
| 05:19.57 | darsie | get root via ssh and stop the window manager. |
| 05:20.17 | lindylex | ok it does not seem to have kdm install |
| 05:20.35 | darsie | gdm3? lightsomething |
| 05:20.38 | lindylex | gdm3? |
| 05:20.41 | lindylex | yep |
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| 05:20.56 | darsie | \/etc/init.d/light... |
| 05:21.06 | lindylex | I stopped it |
| 05:21.17 | darsie | You have a console now? |
| 05:21.24 | lindylex | no |
| 05:21.24 | shawn1 | !tell Thorax2015 about why iceweasel |
| 05:21.26 | darsie | login? |
| 05:21.28 | darsie | black? |
| 05:21.34 | lindylex | block |
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| 05:22.01 | lindylex | black |
| 05:22.02 | darsie | try aptitude remove gdm3 |
| 05:22.04 | darsie | and reboot |
| 05:22.18 | darsie | but be careful if it wants to remove other packages |
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| 05:22.57 | lindylex | It want to remove gnome and gnome core |
| 05:23.03 | darsie | no |
| 05:23.04 | darsie | don't |
| 05:23.06 | lindylex | ok |
| 05:23.11 | lindylex | n |
| 05:23.22 | shawn1 | !tell Thorax2015 about mozilla.debian.net |
| 05:23.53 | arahael | shawn1: You can also msg that to dpkg directly. ;) |
| 05:23.56 | northstar | ctrl-alt-f2, not f1. f1 will leave you at the hung x display. |
| 05:24.12 | shawn1 | arahael: oh you mean tell so and so? |
| 05:24.26 | arahael | shawn1: Yes. |
| 05:24.45 | shawn1 | arahael: i always assume that wouldnt work because it could be too easily abused |
| 05:25.00 | arahael | shawn1: dpkg likes the attention. |
| 05:25.04 | lindylex | northstar: that does nothing |
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| 05:25.25 | laidback_01 | hey, does anyone know the command to use to show the messages I missed where my handle was used? my client is blinking, but I can't see the message in scrollback. |
| 05:26.15 | darsie | lindylex: put kdm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager . That should prevent gdm from starting. See if you get a console after rebooting. |
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| 05:28.07 | northstar | or just put "text" on the kernel boot line in grub. |
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| 05:28.27 | lindylex | darsie rebooting now. |
| 05:29.46 | lindylex | same thing a black screen |
| 05:30.05 | darsie | hmm, then maybe it's not Xorg making your screen black. |
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| 05:30.15 | darsie | is xorg running? |
| 05:30.18 | deego | I have 8 cores. The htop on debian stable only shows the top line labeled "1" Lines 2 through 7 never show. Pressing "1" (that works in top) doesn't do anything either. |
| 05:30.44 | darsie | lindylex: ps ax|grep X |
| 05:32.15 | darsie | Do you have something like /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp ? |
| 05:32.48 | lindylex | no only the grep |
| 05:33.07 | darsie | Looks like it's not X making your screen black ... weird. |
| 05:34.07 | darsie | you can change back /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 05:34.24 | lindylex | I just did. You want me to reboot? |
| 05:34.27 | darsie | and maybe try kernel parameter 'text' as northstar suggested. |
| 05:34.29 | northstar | to be sure, just press "e" while the grub menu is showing, then append "text" to the end of the line with "vmlinuz" in it. it will boot to console one time only. |
| 05:34.53 | lindylex | ok let me reboot. |
| 05:35.41 | lindylex | This is Yaboot not grub |
| 05:36.01 | darsie | dunno how to configure that. |
| 05:36.25 | northstar | can you edit the kernel boot line somehow in yaboot? |
| 05:36.26 | darsie | Is that a mac? |
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| 05:38.13 | lindylex | It is MAC G4 desktop |
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| 05:39.05 | arahael | Those had crazy RAM bandwidth for their time. |
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| 05:40.24 | northstar | lindylex, you could try booting this... it has nonfree drivers and has no x or desktop: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.2.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso |
| 05:41.04 | lindylex | northstar: this is a ppc amd64 will not work. |
| 05:41.12 | northstar | ah, ok. |
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| 05:41.54 | arahael | northstar: As a warning, be careful if you're dualbooting that thing. |
| 05:42.09 | arahael | northstar: I'd suggest sticking with mac os x... _or_ linux. |
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| 05:42.36 | darsie | arahael: lindylex has the ppc. |
| 05:42.46 | arahael | Oops. lindylex: See above. :) |
| 05:42.56 | lindylex | ? |
| 05:43.24 | arahael | lindylex: mac os x doesn't really play well with linux... And I don't think the linux drivers are terribly mature for the mac os x filesystems. I'd not mix mac os x and linux. |
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| 05:44.27 | lindylex | I am not dual booting. just trying to get one Linux O.S on it. This is day 4. |
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| 05:45.16 | lindylex | Even mintppc 11 does not work. |
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| 05:46.20 | northstar | i guess i would try installing linux without xorg at all. you have to uncheck it during the install. |
| 05:46.57 | jelly | lindylex: ask in #debianppc, either here or on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:47.35 | jelly | and be patient, not many ppc users these days |
| 05:47.39 | lindylex | jelly: I have not receive any answer yet. |
| 05:47.45 | lindylex | right |
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| 05:58.35 | fathom | Howdy, I am trying to copy some files from an NTFS drive and move it over to my linux box. When I plug in the drive I get the following message http://pastebin.com/AtKHuuuG |
| 05:58.48 | fathom | Is there a way to get the data? I just need to copy it |
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| 06:05.30 | lindylex | fathom: install this pachake "ntfs-3g" |
| 06:05.55 | lindylex | Like this from the command line. >>> apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 06:06.34 | fathom | lindylex, It says I already have it |
| 06:06.53 | lindylex | Have you tried a force mount? |
| 06:07.11 | fathom | What would be the command? |
| 06:07.18 | fathom | I just need read only to copy the material |
| 06:07.28 | fathom | After that, the drive can go to hades |
| 06:07.37 | lindylex | It look like the drive needs to be attached to a windows computer mounter there then check for errors. It look like ti was remove no cleanly. |
| 06:07.49 | lindylex | one sec let me look |
| 06:07.58 | fathom | The graphics driver is fried, no GUI |
| 06:08.18 | fathom | The graphics card is toast too |
| 06:08.28 | lindylex | do |
| 06:08.28 | fathom | Windows.... |
| 06:08.31 | lindylex | this |
| 06:08.37 | lindylex | on your linux computer |
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| 06:08.56 | lindylex | type>> cd |
| 06:09.02 | lindylex | hit enter |
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| 06:09.15 | lindylex | mkdir winmnt |
| 06:09.19 | lindylex | enter |
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| 06:10.05 | lindylex | mount -t ntfs-3g //dev/sdc1 winmnt -o force |
| 06:10.17 | lindylex | [enter] |
| 06:10.38 | lindylex | that should mount the drive. |
| 06:11.19 | fathom | Where do I put the 'read only' option, as I am getting a message it will do no such thing otherwise |
| 06:14.56 | fathom | lindylex, I got it |
| 06:15.01 | lindylex | mount -t ntfs-3g //dev/sdc1 winmnt -o force ro |
| 06:15.08 | lindylex | Awesome |
| 06:15.10 | fathom | Thank you...immensely |
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| 06:15.19 | fathom | You saved some crucial data |
| 06:15.20 | lindylex | n.p. was it the ro? |
| 06:15.30 | lindylex | "ro"? |
| 06:15.34 | fathom | I prepended a -r |
| 06:15.48 | lindylex | great and happy to help |
| 06:15.54 | fathom | You saved a bunch of data for urban farmers |
| 06:16.00 | fathom | Who grow food for poor people |
| 06:16.10 | fathom | :-D |
| 06:16.14 | lindylex | YESSS this make me so happy! |
| 06:16.26 | lindylex | Send them my be regards. |
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| 06:16.34 | northstar | back. it. up. now. ;) |
| 06:16.55 | fathom | Some good healthy food karma is heading your way, yes, many copies are in the works |
| 06:17.04 | fathom | It was in a windows drive, that was mistake one |
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| 06:47.05 | martialfarts | Hi guys, hope you can help me. I have a device that runs debian 6 on armel arch, BUT the repos haven't been updated since who knows when. So every time I try to apt-get something, I end up with "Failed to Fetch". |
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| 06:47.34 | martialfarts | I tried updating the sources.list , but I think I didn't do it properly. |
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| 06:49.53 | martialfarts | The main problem is, the system has no make. So I can't compile sources. If anybody has a workaround, that would be great. |
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| 07:21.07 | martialfarts | Is there any way to update an outdated squeeze? I get fetch failed on everything |
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| 07:21.30 | martialfarts | (armel arch) |
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| 07:23.02 | bezaban | martialfarts: if the case is that repositories no longer exist you might find some unofficial ones, or if you can get hold of a CD, use that to upgrade |
| 07:23.10 | jelly | !archive |
| 07:23.10 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 07:23.18 | jelly | !ado |
| 07:23.19 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 07:23.25 | jelly | ^^ martialfarts |
| 07:23.27 | bezaban | oh neat :) |
| 07:23.45 | martialfarts | Woah, useful !!! |
| 07:24.01 | martialfarts | Thanks guys. |
| 07:24.03 | jelly | only i386 and amd64 squeeze architectures are left on regular mirrors |
| 07:24.19 | Sheen | Hello there. I have a VPS under OpenVZ Container. I'm doing filesystem backup with "tar cvzpf /backup/Backup.tgz --same-owner --exclude=/backup/* --exclude=/backup/error.log --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/dev/* --exclude=/mnt/* --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/tmp/* / 2>/backup/error.log" |
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| 07:24.34 | Sheen | what would be the best way to clean restore the filesystem with this backup ? |
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| 08:04.31 | SPF | how can I increate the retention of "last reboot" ? |
| 08:04.36 | SPF | *increase |
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| 08:19.43 | Iiiak | SPF â On systemd ? |
| 08:20.03 | Iiiak | Normally just create /var/log/journal and journald save logs in. |
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| 08:23.48 | Avasz | Is there log available for what made the system freeze last time? |
| 08:24.02 | Avasz | lastlog? |
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| 08:30.44 | zeeble | Any of you using the Pocket reading/bookmark app? How do you get it working with Iceweasel? |
| 08:31.24 | chozha | any good tuts for iptables in debian 8 |
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| 08:33.44 | SPF | Iiiak: last reboot gives me: wtmp begins Thu Oct 1 08:32:25 2015 |
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| 08:33.58 | SPF | Iiiak: usually you get a list of all the times when the system was rebooted |
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| 08:39.07 | chozha | :| |
| 08:39.23 | chozha | d_elm12: bye |
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| 09:04.23 | ewew | Yesterday i had a issue with changing kernel. The change of kernel was ok. But GUI was not ok with other kernel. Is it possible to break icons when changing kernel ? |
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| 09:08.53 | arahael | ewew: Icons? Unlikely, unless there is a bug in the drivers. |
| 09:09.08 | arahael | ewew: But still unlikely. You'd normally see worse graphical glitches. |
| 09:09.22 | ewew | only i changed from debian kernel to selfcompiled kernel. |
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| 09:09.45 | ewew | had to reinstall some things for xfce |
| 09:09.57 | ewew | debian wheezy. i know it is old. |
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| 09:10.45 | ewew | This is not only thing that got wacky. apt-cacher and sources.list, proxy. |
| 09:11.23 | ewew | Whole day wasted on this. |
| 09:12.02 | arahael | Most people don't recompile kernels as much anymore, I suspect. |
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| 09:12.42 | babilen | And why would they? |
| 09:12.58 | ewew | security settings |
| 09:13.31 | arahael | Aren't they enabled in debian? |
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| 09:14.04 | ewew | If i want the setting before sysctl takes effect ? |
| 09:14.17 | arahael | Incidentially, which kernel did you copmile? A debian kernel, or one you sourced yourself? |
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| 09:14.43 | ewew | 3.2.68 from kernel.org |
| 09:15.01 | babilen | And what did you change? How does your config differ from the Debian one? How did you compile the kernel? Did you follow the instructions in https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html ? |
| 09:15.29 | ewew | i only disabled debug. Exactly one setting. |
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| 09:15.38 | babilen | But then ... if it works with a Debian kernel you might just want to use that. |
| 09:15.56 | arahael | ewew: Why not use a debian kernel? |
| 09:15.57 | babilen | Well, if you don't have the patches then you made changes. |
| 09:16.16 | ewew | apt-cacher was not working and i was suspecting theres a network stack issue. |
| 09:16.26 | arahael | Indeed, a lot more than just one setting changed. kernel.org isn't the sole source of truth anymore, for most distros. |
| 09:17.11 | ewew | I have only main computer with gui. Others have only cmd. |
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| 09:18.44 | ewew | This brings a question. When i change from wheezy to jessie will graphic RADEON HD4250 work ? |
| 09:19.22 | Ticho | that's like asking "when I turn this lamp on, will it rain?" |
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| 09:19.45 | babilen | You are in Scotland, sure it will! ;) |
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| 09:19.51 | Ticho | hehe |
| 09:20.03 | ewew | You say that if i dont try i will never know ? |
| 09:20.22 | arahael | ewew: They are saying that it's unrelated. |
| 09:20.36 | Ticho | and that there is not enough information to determine the answer |
| 09:21.07 | arahael | ewew: The kernel you compiled, is very different to the debian kernels. For some insight, consider checking the kernel configurations that were used. |
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| 09:21.32 | arahael | ewew: For *both* kernels. |
| 09:21.42 | ewew | I know for now i have to be more carefull. |
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| 09:22.00 | arahael | ewew: How so? You can easily go back. |
| 09:22.15 | babilen | So: "How does your config differ from the Debian one? How did you compile the kernel? Did you follow the instructions in https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html ?" |
| 09:22.21 | ewew | But then have to fix. |
| 09:22.26 | babilen | And: Does it work if you use the Debian kernel? |
| 09:22.55 | arahael | ewew: Why not "fix it" by "booting with the old kernel" and then, build a new one, assuming you actually have a need for it? |
| 09:24.31 | ewew | I dont need a kernel for now. I was trying to find what causes problems wit apt-cacher. |
| 09:24.52 | arahael | ewew: How is that related? |
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| 09:27.10 | ewew | What i am saying. When trying to find what is wrong with apt-cacher i haved breaked the GUI with selfcompiled kernel. I suspected this issue https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-5156 that caused the apt-cacher to not work on localip. |
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| 09:28.33 | ewew | At least it did not corrupt LVM. |
| 09:28.42 | arahael | ewew: Incidentially, that issue has been fixed for all current distros. |
| 09:28.47 | AvatarA | looks like it's fixed in wheezy |
| 09:29.07 | arahael | ewew: Though you do have to update to the latest kernel for that distro. |
| 09:29.09 | babilen | (in the Debian kernel) |
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| 09:29.54 | ewew | I am preparing to go to debian jessie. |
| 09:30.09 | arahael | Oh - sorry - yes: Fixed in stable, testing, and unstable. |
| 09:30.35 | arahael | Oldstable too, given that jessie is currently stable. :) |
| 09:30.38 | ewew | Sometimes wacky things hapen to me. |
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| 09:31.53 | arahael | ewew: There's usually a reason. |
| 09:31.56 | AvatarA | they don't happen by themselves :) |
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| 09:32.38 | ewew | It looks like my skills with debian are poor. |
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| 09:33.16 | babilen | I would recommend to stick to what has been packaged for the time being |
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| 09:34.41 | arahael | ewew: If you want to get really down into the guts of linux, by compiling your own kernel and everything, I would recommend the linuxfromscratch project. |
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| 09:35.00 | arahael | ewew: However, please do it in a separate VM or other non-critical system. It'll take a few days, I expect. |
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| 09:35.44 | arahael | ewew: Alternatively, studying the debian documentation and manual is a good idea, and consulting them whenever you need to do major changes. |
| 09:35.45 | ewew | on AMD FX-4100 3,6 GHz |
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| 09:36.12 | arahael | ewew: The time requirement is because of the user. ;) |
| 09:36.26 | babilen | Yeah, LFS will teach you a lot |
| 09:36.48 | arahael | ewew: You're manually compiling the bootstrap tools, building your own linux userland, building your own linux, etcetera, and learning a crapton of information about all the various components. |
| 09:37.03 | babilen | (and how they fit together) |
| 09:37.30 | arahael | That, too. And getting an idea as to how other systems may do things differently. |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | You build it only to throw it away, but you will learn how things relate to each other |
| 09:38.04 | arahael | Though there are some machosists who use it as their primary, longterm systems. |
| 09:38.23 | ewew | maybe hackers ? |
| 09:38.56 | arahael | babilen: I tried using git itself as the package manager. :) Bad idea! |
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| 09:39.23 | arahael | ewew: Perhaps, depending on what you mean by 'hackers'. |
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| 09:41.01 | ewew | Do you know how to run dhcp on 68 without root ? |
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| 09:41.23 | RoyK | ewew: you can't |
| 09:41.46 | arahael | Not without a lot of PITA configuration, for no reason. |
| 09:42.07 | arahael | ewew: Incidentially, the linuxfromscratch project has a very intresting "hardened linux from scratch' variant, on the same site. |
| 09:42.54 | ewew | With CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE enabled for dhcp binary. |
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| 09:43.38 | arahael | ewew: I think jessie comes with selinux. |
| 09:43.52 | priest_4711 | (qemu) kvm does not work as root in debian jessie: Could not initialize SDL(No available video device) - exiting |
| 09:43.53 | priest_4711 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.57 | priest_4711 | how to fix it? |
| 09:44.09 | arahael | priest_4711: Why are you running qemu as root? |
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| 09:44.22 | shawn1 | dun dun dun |
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| 09:44.36 | th0ny | Hi guys |
| 09:44.43 | priest_4711 | want to start from devices like /dev/sdb ...... |
| 09:44.53 | shawn1 | DUN |
| 09:45.14 | priest_4711 | and... In any prior debian versions this worked... it also works in any other distro :-) |
| 09:45.15 | ewew | I see only libselinux1 in aptitude |
| 09:45.26 | priest_4711 | so I think it is a bug |
| 09:45.39 | arahael | priest_4711: Well, you still do'nt need root for that, but anyway. Check the permisions and accesss levels? |
| 09:45.53 | arahael | priest_4711: Perhaps x11 is not allowing a different user from displaying on it? |
| 09:45.58 | th0ny | I'd like your opinion what's the best and easiest logs management tools (with a web interface ) |
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| 09:46.18 | priest_4711 | Perhaps x11 is not allowing a different user from displaying on it? How can I check and fix that? |
| 09:46.43 | ewew | priest_4711 xhost ? |
| 09:47.19 | priest_4711 | xhost as root: xhost: unable to open display ":0" |
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| 09:47.45 | priest_4711 | ok.. how can I allow that to root ? |
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| 09:48.20 | bezaban | xhost +SI:localuser:root |
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| 09:49.15 | arahael | And this is why windows still tends to be "administrator" for most people. |
| 09:49.29 | ewew | arahael True |
| 09:49.35 | priest_4711 | found this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Running_X_apps_as_root |
| 09:50.01 | bezaban | generally it's better solved in another way |
| 09:50.30 | bezaban | but that way at least you're not using xhost + |
| 09:50.42 | arahael | And he's gone(!) |
| 09:50.45 | bezaban | oh |
| 09:51.09 | arahael | I was just about to tell him of a major pitfall of using root: Half your user config files end up with the wrong permissions. |
| 09:51.25 | bezaban | "just give me a command that works" :( |
| 09:51.29 | arahael | So from then on, it only ever "works" if it's root! |
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| 09:55.35 | damasceno | Hello. I tried to install a different version of the package zlib1g and now I can't use apt-get anymore: wget: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1) I can't even use wget to download the version and install it. Does anyone know how to fix it? Thanks. |
| 09:55.56 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 09:55.56 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 09:56.07 | babilen | damasceno: Could you paste your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:56.11 | petn-randall | damasceno: You can download a live image, boot from that, and try to fix it by hand. |
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| 09:58.40 | damasceno | babilen: https://paste.debian.net/314032/ |
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| 09:59.02 | damasceno | petn-randall: unfortunately this server is in a datacenter (far from here) I couldn't do this... |
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| 09:59.34 | babilen | damasceno: That doesn't include the bit where you install zlib1g |
| 09:59.47 | rozie | damasceno: you can if you have some ilo card (HP) or similar solution |
| 09:59.56 | damasceno | I did two things: apt-get install multiarch-support ; dpkg -i zlib1g_1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1_amd64.deb |
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| 10:00.21 | damasceno | That's how I downloaded: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1_amd64.deb |
| 10:00.26 | arahael | That's... Weird. |
| 10:01.22 | babilen | bblunch |
| 10:01.46 | damasceno | That's my distribution: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
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| 10:03.58 | arahael | damasceno: Isn't that in sid? |
| 10:04.02 | peterrooney | ,v lynx |
| 10:04.03 | judd | Package: lynx on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8dev.5-1; wheezy: 2.8.8dev.12-2; jessie: 2.8.9dev1-2+deb8u1; sid: 2.8.9dev6-4; stretch: 2.8.9dev6-4 |
| 10:04.14 | trewas | damasceno: that debian version is ancient, you can't expect new binary packages to work |
| 10:04.57 | ewew | old old stable |
| 10:04.58 | damasceno | arahael: we're running squeeze because unfortunately our system hasn't been upgraded the developers are working on that. :( |
| 10:05.32 | damasceno | trewas: I know I know but we have to run this specific version, better than run on Windows. |
| 10:05.41 | arahael | damasceno: So, why not use squeeze's packages, or upgrade first? |
| 10:05.52 | arahael | damasceno: Basically you've made an upgrade exponentially more difficult the way you've done it. |
| 10:06.07 | damasceno | we HAVE to use this specific version, I know it's not right but we have to. |
| 10:06.28 | damasceno | Is there anything I can do to fix this error? Besides use a LiveCD... |
| 10:06.33 | peterrooney | damasceno: when you say "this specific version", what piece of software are you speaking of? |
| 10:06.36 | arahael | damasceno: You have to use that specific zlib1g, or specifically squeeze? |
| 10:06.37 | ewew | Can this be solved with chroot ? |
| 10:06.50 | damasceno | peterrooney: our own software needs to run on Squeeze. |
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| 10:07.00 | damasceno | arahael: both. |
| 10:07.15 | arahael | damasceno: Then... I'd backport it. And consider yourself a distro maintainer. |
| 10:07.20 | damasceno | ewew: I don't know how chroot would help. :( |
| 10:07.55 | rozie | damasceno: you would have more secure system, as a whole |
| 10:07.58 | peterrooney | imagines the devs silently wishing for someone to put them out of their misery |
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| 10:08.18 | rozie | now you have *everything* unsecure and out of date |
| 10:08.25 | ewew | In simple terms. It is a special call that makes in fs new root. |
| 10:08.46 | damasceno | Unfortunately I need to "remove" this error, fix it, to install this f*** zlib1g. |
| 10:08.59 | arahael | ewew: That doesn't mean anything to anyone who doesn't know what a chroot is. |
| 10:09.11 | damasceno | ewew: I know what chroot is I don't know how it would help in my case... |
| 10:09.23 | arahael | damasceno: You need to get your system back in a clean state, probably by removing or restoring zlib1g. |
| 10:09.46 | damasceno | I need to either install this version of glibc (I can't because I cannot use wget nor apt-get) or find another way to do it... |
| 10:09.50 | rozie | damasceno: do you have backup? |
| 10:09.53 | arahael | damasceno: Then, you need to backport sid's zlib1g, possibly editing/patching it in the process so that it compiles on an ancient system. |
| 10:09.58 | damasceno | arahael: let me try to remove it. |
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| 10:10.29 | damasceno | https://paste.debian.net/314033/ |
| 10:10.35 | damasceno | a lot of dependencies... |
| 10:11.11 | arahael | damasceno: Welcome to a mixed distro. You need to resolve those manually. |
| 10:11.17 | ewew | It looks like essential part of the system |
| 10:11.41 | damasceno | Yes, it is. :/ |
| 10:12.24 | arahael | damasceno: It might be easier to install a new system. Then in that, set up a wheezy chroot, and do your product stuff in the chroot. |
| 10:12.43 | ewew | Maybe if you set sources.list back to squeeze only repository. Dont know what will happen next/ |
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| 10:13.01 | arahael | No, I'd say it's a very mixed system by now. |
| 10:13.15 | damasceno | that's the current version on the server: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1 (I tried to install but it couldn't). On the other servers I have this: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 |
| 10:13.40 | peterrooney | I am still wondering what possible sequence of events would lead your developers to demand such an irrational combination. |
| 10:14.08 | arahael | peterrooney: Probably management and time pressure. |
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| 10:15.26 | arahael | The mistake, in this case, sadly, was damasceno updating the system with packages designed for a different version. |
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| 10:15.56 | ewew | Is there any chance of backing up the data ? |
| 10:16.34 | damasceno | Well there is but installing a new system will be very complicated with this specific datacenter. :/ |
| 10:16.49 | damasceno | that's why I'm trying to solve this issue instead of simply reinstall it. |
| 10:16.50 | arahael | damasceno: I'd suggest restoring from a backup. Failing that, I'd suggest finding a debian expert in the team, and helping him fix it because there'll be a lot of grunt work. Failing that, I'd suggest setting it up anew. Restoring a backup should not be complicated. |
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| 10:17.04 | arahael | damasceno: Well, find out if they can restore from last night's backup. (Or even last week's, perhaps) |
| 10:17.12 | arahael | damasceno: A good datacenter can do that easily. |
| 10:17.45 | arahael | (Well, surely they can... I don't have experience with datacenters) |
| 10:17.56 | ewew | Your putting your data at risk. |
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| 10:20.05 | arahael | ewew: If he doesn't have backups, or his code in version control, then it already is at risk. |
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| 10:25.06 | er4z0r | anyone here running lxc _unprivileged_ containers? |
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| 10:25.20 | disc0very | hi guys |
| 10:25.26 | disc0very | i'm having a issue on my debian server |
| 10:25.32 | disc0very | i use sendmail as local mta |
| 10:25.55 | disc0very | when i send mail to local user the /var/spool/mail/$user file is created but it is empty |
| 10:26.08 | disc0very | in the log files the message is accepter for delivery |
| 10:26.08 | er4z0r | I found this regarding unprivilleged containers https://www.stgraber.org/2014/01/17/lxc-1-0-unprivileged-containers/ but it seems to be ubuntu specific |
| 10:26.28 | disc0very | any idea why the mail file is created but stay empty ? |
| 10:27.14 | jelly | disc0very: is procmail installed? Does the user have a ~/.forward or ~/.procmailrc ? |
| 10:27.43 | jelly | (and do I want to ask why sendmail instead of something saner) |
| 10:27.59 | disc0very | jelly, procmail is installed but none of those files exist |
| 10:28.20 | disc0very | seemed too much for me to use postfix just for local delivery |
| 10:28.50 | disc0very | mails to external addresses are managed correctly, i just have this issue for local user mails |
| 10:29.27 | disc0very | once i send a mail the /var/spool/mail/$user file is created but it is empty, i don't understand why |
| 10:30.20 | jelly | I don't remember Sendmail enough to offer clues more than "look at logs" which you seem to have already done |
| 10:30.31 | disc0very | yes |
| 10:30.58 | disc0very | sendmail log stat=Sent ( Message accepted for delivery) look fine to me |
| 10:31.09 | jelly | mailq is empty? |
| 10:31.34 | disc0very | if you mean /var/spool/mqueue then yes |
| 10:31.42 | jelly | I mean "run the command mailq" |
| 10:31.57 | disc0very | yes, the same |
| 10:32.07 | jelly | then it got delivered... somewhere |
| 10:32.12 | disc0very | yes lol |
| 10:32.13 | jelly | ~/Maildir/ ? |
| 10:32.31 | disc0very | oh yes |
| 10:32.32 | disc0very | wait |
| 10:32.35 | jelly | pastebin the actual log lines. |
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| 10:33.00 | disc0very | yes, it was delivered to ~/Maildir/ ! |
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| 10:34.23 | disc0very | thanks jelly |
| 10:35.01 | disc0very | now i need to understand why the user i was checking first do not have a Maildir in its home directory |
| 10:35.16 | disc0very | now i checked root user and i found out ~/Maildir as you suggested |
| 10:35.27 | disc0very | but i was checking another user homedir before |
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| 10:35.53 | Dnewbie | Hi! Does anyone know why I just installed debian 8.2, i run apt-get update and upgrade and I dont get any upgrade at all? (and I bet there have been updates coming in the last month... even when I run the stable version) |
| 10:36.16 | Dnewbie | Calculating upgrade... Done0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:36.30 | jelly | Dnewbie: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 10:36.47 | jelly | should have three deb lines |
| 10:36.51 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 10:36.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 10:37.16 | Dnewbie | I changed the "es" from Spain to "de" from Germany to not get errors in apt-get update |
| 10:37.18 | Dnewbie | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20150906-11:13]/ jessie contrib main |
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| 10:37.22 | Dnewbie | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20150906-11:13]/ jessie contrib main |
| 10:37.25 | jelly | !paste |
| 10:37.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:37.26 | Dnewbie | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib |
| 10:37.28 | Dnewbie | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib |
| 10:37.32 | Dnewbie | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:37.32 | jelly | sigh |
| 10:37.34 | Dnewbie | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:37.38 | Dnewbie | # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 10:37.40 | Dnewbie | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:37.42 | Dnewbie | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:37.44 | Dnewbie | ok, sorry |
| 10:37.46 | petn-randall | Dnewbie: STOP IT |
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| 10:38.06 | petn-randall | thanks |
| 10:38.37 | jelly | that seems sane, Dnewbie. If you've just installed it, it already got the updates from the internet during the installation process. |
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| 10:39.11 | ewew | Dnewbie Try first apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade. |
| 10:39.19 | Dnewbie | paste.debian.net/314041 |
| 10:39.31 | jelly | ewew: <Dnewbie> Hi! Does anyone know why I just installed debian 8.2, i run apt-get update and upgrade and I dont get any upgrade at all? [...] |
| 10:39.35 | aedend | join #macosx |
| 10:39.48 | aedend | sorry |
| 10:40.16 | Dnewbie | ah ok |
| 10:40.28 | Dnewbie | that can explain it |
| 10:40.39 | Dnewbie | thank you! |
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| 10:49.10 | asarch | Is there any other way to download a file without actually using libcurl? |
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| 10:49.45 | petn-randall | asarch: wget |
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| 10:50.33 | asarch | I mean, from C code |
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| 10:51.59 | jelly | asarch: there are probably dozens of http, ftp or sftp/scp libraries, why? |
| 10:52.14 | jelly | not sure how this is a debian question |
| 10:52.35 | ratrace | Hello. Can anyone confirm ieee-data monthly cron failing still? The bug #779543 is supposedly fixed months ago, but I'm still having the script complain. |
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| 10:52.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/779543 in ieee-data (closed): «ieee-data: issues with the current URLs»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2015-03-02; last modified: 2015-07-04. |
| 10:53.40 | ratrace | There is also bug #783096 closed as well. |
| 10:53.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783096 in ieee-data (closed, upstream): «ieee-data: update-oui fails every time because standards.ieee.org uses TLS AIA instead of intermediate certs»; severity: important; opened: 2015-04-22; last modified: 2015-07-29. |
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| 11:00.19 | elfranne | i have a old debian 6 running some IPSEC but i cannot make it work in Debian 8 ... when i use "ipsec secrets" to see if it loaded the config it just show nothing |
| 11:00.58 | ewew | elfranne Did you read the man page in debian 8 ? It is possible that something has changed. |
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| 11:04.12 | ewew | go to this page https://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
| 11:04.20 | elfranne | ewew, i did not on the Debian 8 ... ipsec secrets is not present anymore |
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| 11:06.13 | elfranne | ewew, I saw this guide already. I am not using racoon but using strongswan |
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| 11:10.31 | utente_ | Hi guys! |
| 11:13.00 | arahael | Not even one and a half minutes. |
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| 11:31.28 | frozengeek | hey, i'm working on migrating some stuff wheezy -> jessie, and our jenkins is still wheezy and generates a deb with a dependency on "libjpeg62 (>= 6b1)" which somehow fails to pull in libjpeg62-turbo on jessie. this dependency is created using ${shlibs:Depends}. any idea how i can make this work. |
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| 12:58.58 | Burps | Hi : Using Jessie, I'd like to configure sshd to listen on ANY IPv4 address, and only ONE SPECIFIC IPv6 address, but can't find the correct ListenAddress syntax in sshd_config : any idea ? |
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| 13:01.05 | Burps | ok, forget it, PEBKAC ;) |
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| 13:02.01 | ewew | Burps http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man5/sshd_config.5?query=sshd_config&sec=5 ? |
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| 13:02.25 | ewew | Multiple AddressFamily ? |
| 13:02.44 | bezaban | multiple ListenAddress I'd assume |
| 13:03.12 | Fusl | does iptables-persistent in debian 8 no longer have a start script for loading the iptables rules from the file? |
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| 13:05.10 | ewew | bezaban yes |
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| 13:06.17 | Burps | Actually, 2 different lines ListenAddress one with 0.0.0.0, the other with [my:ip::v6] |
| 13:06.23 | bezaban | yeah |
| 13:06.23 | jelly | Fusl: it's /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent now |
| 13:06.23 | Fusl | oh, nevermind. it 's netfilter-persistent since debian 8 |
| 13:06.33 | Fusl | heh, jelly yea, just noticed :) |
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| 13:10.06 | ewew | Burps What says netstat -anv ? |
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| 13:28.19 | cusco | yellow |
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| 13:33.16 | cusco | I'm using exim4 on wheezy, and I'm getting many gnutls problems. is there a package of exim that uses openssl instead of gnutls? My problem is: https://paste.debian.net/314066/ -- here is a paste of it: https://paste.debian.net/314066/ |
| 13:34.16 | hgth | The sources.list examle on https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList contains 3 deb-lines. On my installation, I have wheezy and wheezy/updates but not wheezy-updates. Is that a problem/a vulnerability? |
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| 13:36.59 | simonpatapon | hi |
| 13:37.16 | SirLagz | hi |
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| 13:38.47 | simonpatapon | my usb mouse just don't work suddenly |
| 13:38.56 | simonpatapon | here is my dmesg |
| 13:39.01 | simonpatapon | http://pastebin.com/C2H1KScW |
| 13:39.43 | nandDark | test |
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| 13:40.29 | simonpatapon | seems uhci_hcd trouble |
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| 13:41.04 | simonpatapon | connect-debounce failed?? |
| 13:41.16 | ewew | simonpatapon Pull out the mouse. Then check dmesg a reconect to same port. If not working try other port. |
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| 13:42.12 | ewew | Can you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 13:43.17 | allizom | hgth: read https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates and https://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215.en.html |
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| 13:44.29 | simonpatapon | http://pastebin.com/qBzZ3iMx ewew the PB from pluging/unpluging |
| 13:45.24 | ewew | other usb devices work in troublesome usb port ? |
| 13:46.11 | simonpatapon | http://pastebin.com/gqLShUxn that my X log |
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| 13:46.25 | simonpatapon | ewew: i have no other usb device |
| 13:47.51 | hgth | allizom: Thank you very much. That answered my question. |
| 13:47.56 | ewew | It looks like mouse is not working. |
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| 13:48.18 | allizom | hgth: yw |
| 13:48.36 | simonpatapon | i read to reset bios |
| 13:48.41 | simonpatapon | i'll try |
| 13:48.48 | simonpatapon | mouse works on other PC |
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| 13:49.07 | ewew | the something is wrong with usb. Try another usb port. |
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| 13:54.04 | simonpatapon | mouse works in BIOS |
| 13:54.09 | simonpatapon | resetted anyways |
| 13:54.13 | simonpatapon | works now in X |
| 13:54.17 | simonpatapon | WTF? |
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| 13:54.25 | simonpatapon | we'll never know |
| 13:54.40 | ewew | You have UEFI as BIOS ? |
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| 13:55.26 | simonpatapon | I dont know what UEFI is |
| 13:55.31 | simonpatapon | how can i check that? |
| 13:55.47 | ewew | It does not matter now. |
| 13:56.14 | simonpatapon | i got a strange thing in dmesg |
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| 13:56.41 | simonpatapon | http://pastebin.com/bpWUvdvG |
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| 13:57.41 | ewew | try asking in #kernel.org chat |
| 13:58.00 | simonpatapon | all right |
| 13:58.02 | simonpatapon | thx |
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| 13:58.27 | ewew | It tells you that something got wrong. |
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| 13:59.57 | simonpatapon | apt-get upgrade gets me a new kernel |
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| 14:00.33 | simonpatapon | 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4 |
| 14:00.45 | simonpatapon | instead of 3.16.0 |
| 14:00.48 | simonpatapon | lets see |
| 14:00.56 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 14:01.29 | jelly | simonpatapon: don't confuse the package name (which contains the kernel abi string) with the package and kernel version |
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| 14:01.53 | leonarth | why should I use apt-get and not just apt to install stuff? |
| 14:02.13 | leonarth | apt-get install x or apt install x seem to do exactly the same thing |
| 14:02.53 | jelly | leonarth: the apt command is new in debian 8 |
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| 14:03.21 | leonarth | also why there are 10 different apt- commands which all seem to be some sort of abstraction of dpkg |
| 14:03.35 | leonarth | can't we just use dpkg directly specifying options? |
| 14:03.42 | jelly | no, we can't |
| 14:04.01 | leonarth | I don't really get the logic behind this |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | dpkg is a low level tool and does not know about repositories |
| 14:04.02 | dpkg | jelly: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:04.40 | jelly | leonarth: don't think logic. Think ogranically grown layered system. |
| 14:04.52 | leonarth | dpkg: you could have used a highlight if you wanted to follow all dpkg discussions :D |
| 14:04.52 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:05.27 | leonarth | logic should be at the seed of every system, there must be a logic behind why this should be this way or another way |
| 14:05.37 | leonarth | and the apt- logic doesn't click |
| 14:05.40 | jelly | leonarth: rpm-based distros have yum or dnf on top of rpm |
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| 14:06.02 | leonarth | ok but yum doesn't have 10 separate yum- commands |
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| 14:06.50 | jelly | leonarth: they're just hidden as plugins which extend the syntax, sometimes in cruel and unusual ways |
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| 14:08.01 | leonarth | can't find any articles about the logic/reasoning behind the apt- system |
| 14:08.52 | jelly | the common commands, apt-get and apt-cache, were initially written as proof of concept clients for apt the library. Gradually they grew, and other apps built on the same library appeared: synaptic, aptitude |
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| 14:10.06 | password2 | so , hibernation in debian , is it still possible? |
| 14:10.42 | password2 | I updated my debian a few months ago and have been missing hibernation since then , was wondering if it was something that went wrong or not? |
| 14:11.04 | ewew | jelly It simplifies things ? |
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| 14:11.19 | jelly | ewew: what does, sorry? |
| 14:11.38 | ewew | merging apt commands into one. |
| 14:12.17 | ewew | password2 From wheezy to jessie or ? |
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| 14:12.25 | leonarth | jelly: didn't know about aptitude seems all apt- commands into one, I'll use that from now on |
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| 14:12.34 | jelly | ewew: probably, except for all the existing users that got used to what existed already |
| 14:12.39 | password2 | from previous version of jessie to jessie |
| 14:12.53 | password2 | i think 7.4-8.2 |
| 14:13.02 | ewew | password2 What the logs say ? |
| 14:13.06 | password2 | I dont haev the details near me now |
| 14:13.18 | leonarth | jelly: so APT is gonna replace all the apt- commands at some point? You said it's new to Deb8 |
| 14:13.27 | password2 | my logs? |
| 14:14.06 | password2 | i was just wondering if its an issue , or if its supposed to be removed |
| 14:14.34 | ewew | The system log will tell you if you look at them. |
| 14:14.38 | jelly | leonarth: might be, but I do not know what the longterm plans for apt are. |
| 14:15.04 | ewew | jelly Maybe it will disolve in systemd. |
| 14:15.15 | jelly | !slap ewew |
| 14:15.16 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across ewew's face |
| 14:15.20 | leonarth | is there anywhere we can find out? Or is this information not shared with the community? |
| 14:15.58 | leonarth | !slap dkpg |
| 14:15.58 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across dkpg's face |
| 14:16.15 | jelly | leonarth: dunno, see if recent debconf talks have something from the apt team |
| 14:16.36 | ewew | Did I say something wrong ? |
| 14:16.43 | password2 | I'm not sure if I'm being clear , but yeah I'll investigate later |
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| 14:18.02 | password2 | kinda funny because i only updated because i hope hibernation would be fixed |
| 14:18.21 | Flong | I love Debian <3! |
| 14:18.33 | GPenguin | does it love you back? |
| 14:18.50 | Flong | GPenguin, cat /dev/love |
| 14:18.53 | Flong | "0" |
| 14:18.56 | ewew | password2 Does it work on command line ? |
| 14:18.56 | Flong | nope. |
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| 14:19.05 | password2 | ewew: i dunno |
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| 14:19.41 | ewew | password2 Read this https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation |
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| 14:22.08 | ewew | Try command in this page http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pm-hibernate&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en |
| 14:22.56 | password2 | dont worry , i'll look into things at a later time |
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| 14:23.31 | ewew | in man page is writen that debuging suspend, hibernation can be difficult. |
| 14:23.34 | password2 | was just wondering if the button should be missing ,and it seems to be supposed to be missing |
| 14:23.59 | password2 | yeah , its kinda a critical feature to have for me |
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| 14:25.30 | password2 | I just hope i dont need to move to a different os / distro to get it |
| 14:25.34 | ewew | I can not say for sure whats wrong. It could be milion things that can cause trouble. |
| 14:25.43 | g00se | Huh? |
| 14:25.51 | password2 | yeah i know |
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| 14:26.08 | g00se | wonders why the last message disappeared ... |
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| 14:26.46 | g00se | Do i have to put the command /usr/bin/tail -f /var/log/syslog into any special format in sudoers? |
| 14:27.00 | ewew | password2 Do you have installed acpi* things ? |
| 14:27.17 | cruisibesares | does anyone know if there is something up with the mirror at httpredir.debian.org ? I thought it might be a tmp problem last night but it still is behaving weird for me this morning |
| 14:27.21 | password2 | i think i do |
| 14:27.41 | password2 | like i said , I'm not near the machine now |
| 14:27.49 | ewew | cruisibesares It takes some time to download ? |
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| 14:28.12 | cruisibesares | ewew: keep getting W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease |
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| 14:28.22 | password2 | was just casually wondering that its a issue with my install or if the button was purpousefully removed ( which it seems the case was) |
| 14:29.16 | ewew | cruisibesares Your using apt-cacher or somekind of proxy ? |
| 14:29.42 | cruisibesares | I'm not but just to be safe let me curl it from another location |
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| 14:31.06 | cruisibesares | interesting maybe something to do with the ipv6 dns |
| 14:31.14 | jelly | password2: when you get access to actual machine, try hibernating from CLI with "systemctl hibernate". Might be just a GUI issue. |
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| 14:32.09 | password2 | jelly: sure |
| 14:32.17 | password2 | I'll debug as necesary |
| 14:32.30 | password2 | when I'm there |
| 14:32.43 | password2 | i've been throug all the pm debugging before |
| 14:33.00 | password2 | but that was a while ago |
| 14:33.15 | npn | Using Debian stable, I have a USB modem that uses cdc_ether and presents a network interface, in my case eth1. Beyond configuring eth1 (which may appear and disappear and isn't available on boot) in /etc/network/interfaces, what else do I need to do to have eth1 appear up and configured when the modem is connected? |
| 14:33.15 | cruisibesares | ewew: ok that wasn't it I'm doing curl -v and seeing it just hang on connect |
| 14:34.20 | ewew | cruisibesares Can you nmap it ? |
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| 14:35.00 | anexit | Hello, can someone point me to a good article about setting up debian as a terminal server? I would like to use wine to run a few windows programs |
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| 14:35.27 | anexit | I've setup wine and I'm not a newbie to linux, didn't know if one package was better than another. |
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| 14:35.35 | password2 | hah @ mtn nick |
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| 14:37.11 | cruisibesares | ewew: i think this mirror is bad |
| 14:37.12 | cruisibesares | 128.31.0.66 |
| 14:37.49 | cruisibesares | nmap shows no open ports on that one |
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| 14:38.12 | cruisibesares | but the other servers look alright I'm going to curl it and hack the host header to verify |
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| 14:38.38 | ewew | I have port 80 open on http.us.debian.org |
| 14:39.32 | jaggzt | !dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 14:39.32 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
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| 14:40.23 | ewew | cruisibesares 128.31.0.66 is okay. |
| 14:40.40 | cruisibesares | yeah if you didn't just do anything i will have to look at my configs |
| 14:40.47 | cruisibesares | i can confirm that its working |
| 14:40.57 | cruisibesares | if it was me sorry for the noise |
| 14:41.39 | ewew | cruisibesares Maybe local routing issue or something else unexpected. |
| 14:42.06 | cruisibesares | makes sense. thanks for your help I really appreciate it |
| 14:42.29 | Fjorgynn | what does :pts/10:S.0 mean in who? |
| 14:43.04 | ewew | cruisibesares I am only random linux user. |
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| 14:47.53 | ewew | anexit How much time you want to spend with setting up things ? |
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| 14:48.38 | jelly | Fjorgynn: a screen session, running on pts/10 or started from pts/10, don't remember |
| 14:49.38 | password2 | how well suited is debian for ssd? as i understand as long as i mount /var and /home on a spinning hdd it should be quite happy |
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| 14:50.21 | jhutchins | password2: I've been running over a year with everything on ssd. |
| 14:50.36 | ewew | password2 Everything that changes very often. |
| 14:50.39 | password2 | hows boot times? |
| 14:50.49 | jhutchins | password2: Unless you have a drive that's five years old or more you don't have anything to worry about. |
| 14:50.56 | jhutchins | password2: I don't boot very often, but it's fast. |
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| 14:51.22 | password2 | i was thinking of getting an ssd to boot from , as i boot twice daily and only use pc for short while |
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| 14:51.37 | jelly | password2: I've been running over 3 years on ssd. Tho one ssd died: having too little RAM and swap on SSD is not the greatest idea |
| 14:51.39 | password2 | so cutting down on boot time is important for me |
| 14:51.42 | ewew | password2 Log things with priority higher than notice. rsyslog. |
| 14:52.15 | jelly | password2: I never boot, almost always suspend (this is a desktop machine) |
| 14:52.15 | password2 | yeah , geuss its best to also move /swap |
| 14:52.20 | vamps | password2: why not pm-hibernate / pm-suspend ? |
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| 14:52.41 | password2 | vamps: i believe it dont work on my pc for some reason |
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| 14:53.10 | jelly | password2: belief is irrelevant. Try! |
| 14:53.34 | password2 | ok , lemme teleport home quickly |
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| 14:53.44 | password2 | :D |
| 14:53.51 | Fjorgynn | hm |
| 14:54.00 | Fjorgynn | jelly: might be screen or tmux |
| 14:54.08 | Fjorgynn | running screen in tmux |
| 14:54.25 | password2 | i have a server that rus 24/7 at home though |
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| 14:54.27 | Fjorgynn | Why? Because I used screen and I wanted to learn tmux so I just did open it in tmux |
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| 14:55.15 | password2 | in the absolute extremist of cases , would it be technically possible to mount swap on a networked server? |
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| 14:55.56 | password2 | just screwing around with ideas atm |
| 14:56.09 | ewew | password2 I think this is not possible. If you dont want some wacky issues. |
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| 14:56.29 | password2 | would have been fun though |
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| 14:56.50 | password2 | especially if you have 10GBE networks :D |
| 14:58.20 | ewew | With computers with enough RAM ? |
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| 14:58.58 | ewew | Try ssh tunnels. You will have fun with routing. |
| 14:59.31 | jaggzt | all you need is a little hole and then a cat /dev/sda? |
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| 14:59.40 | jaggzt | (? added as grammar) |
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| 15:15.06 | DammitJim | I'm using rsync to backup my home folder |
| 15:15.15 | DammitJim | what can I use to output errors to a log? |
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| 15:20.29 | abferm | Hey guys, I'm stuck with a chicken and the egg problem... Is there a way to generate /etc/fstab on first boot? |
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| 15:21.33 | AvatarA | DammitJim, 2>logfile probably |
| 15:22.02 | AvatarA | abferm, you can liveboot from usb and edit the fstab or you could manually boot from grub, using the cmdline |
| 15:22.46 | abferm | AvatarA, I'm building images for arm systems. |
| 15:22.58 | AvatarA | oh |
| 15:23.14 | ewew | abferm Include in build ? |
| 15:23.36 | abferm | I'd like to use uuid |
| 15:24.05 | ewew | abferm Then generate it before every build. |
| 15:25.12 | abferm | ewew, the idea is to build one image for multiple devices. Is there any way it can be generated based on what device was booted from? |
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| 15:25.24 | ewew | Put a uuid generating script in early boot and then erase the script after first boot. |
| 15:25.35 | ewew | Dont know. |
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| 15:27.28 | paxcoder | This hybrid iso is unwieldy. I'm getting "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but" |
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| 15:27.36 | paxcoder | Linux says it is 512 bytes." |
| 15:27.56 | paxcoder | when trying to run a partitioner to add another partition to my usb stick |
| 15:28.21 | ksk | paxcoder: whats a "partionioner"? what tool do you use? |
| 15:28.31 | paxcoder | ksk: parted and gparted |
| 15:28.47 | ksk | hum, have you tried deleting everything from that stick and start from scratch? |
| 15:28.50 | jelly | paxcoder: yeah, don't do that on the existing image |
| 15:28.53 | paxcoder | ksk: yes |
| 15:29.07 | paxcoder | jelly: sorry? |
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| 15:29.38 | jelly | hybrid image mbr code and partition setup is hacky as it is |
| 15:29.50 | jelly | !goal |
| 15:29.50 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:30.01 | ksk | oh, I didnt read that part.. |
| 15:30.13 | paxcoder | jelly: Any way i could have fat32 sda1, and non-live debian on sda2? |
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| 15:30.45 | paxcoder | Without using a cdrom, that is. |
| 15:30.58 | jelly | paxcoder: non-live debian installation, or debian installER ? |
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| 15:32.05 | jelly | because if you just want d-i (netinst or whatever) and some writable fat32 space, there are other ways |
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| 15:33.27 | paxcoder | jelly: I want me fat32 on sda1, and debian on sda2 (non-live version). |
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| 15:34.04 | DammitJim | I guess I need to test that |
| 15:34.14 | jelly | paxcoder: what exactly does "non-live version" mean? |
| 15:34.21 | paxcoder | Ie I want to be able to use the debian from the stick if I choose so at boot, but also write stuff to the USB in Windows |
| 15:34.35 | paxcoder | *stick |
| 15:34.45 | jelly | paxcoder: okay. So why don't you just install debian on sda2? |
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| 15:35.51 | jelly | and put grub on the stick (/dev/sda) and be done with it |
| 15:35.51 | paxcoder | jelly: I don't get the hybrid's mbr that way, and neither lilo -M nor mbr-install can recreate it. |
| 15:36.08 | jelly | paxcoder: why do you want the hybrid mbr at all? |
| 15:36.25 | paxcoder | so that the system boots |
| 15:37.06 | jelly | you don't need hybrid code for that, just boot off the stick as usb-hdd normally |
| 15:37.07 | paxcoder | the two other methods result in "missing isolinux.bin..." at boot time |
| 15:37.25 | jelly | just use grub |
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| 15:37.43 | paxcoder | i can try... |
| 15:37.50 | paxcoder | though i'd prefer lilo |
| 15:37.55 | jelly | in other words, make a bug-standard debian installation, just on a stick |
| 15:38.01 | jelly | bog-standard* |
| 15:38.43 | paxcoder | jelly: umm |
| 15:39.06 | paxcoder | jelly: i said no cdrom |
| 15:39.14 | paxcoder | nor another stick for that matter |
| 15:39.27 | jelly | get another stick to boot d-i off |
| 15:39.31 | paxcoder | so either stick to stick (i failed to do that) or debian to stick |
| 15:39.38 | paxcoder | *same stick |
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| 15:39.54 | jelly | or install on a different machine |
| 15:40.15 | paxcoder | what do you mean? |
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| 15:40.48 | jelly | <paxcoder> so either stick to stick (i failed to do that) # this, just on a machine where it actually works |
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| 15:42.08 | ozzloy_ | i think i'm missing some font, but i don't know which. the characters in the circle above "developer" and the one above "build author" just show as boxes: http://gradle.org/getting-started-gradle-java/ how do i figure out which package i'm supposed to install for that? |
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| 15:42.19 | paxcoder | jelly: i failed to do that i reckon because of the sector size error, i *was* able to boot |
| 15:42.26 | ozzloy_ | i checked apt-cache search fonts and there are way too any to install them all |
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| 15:43.21 | paxcoder | to clarify: i got to partitioning, and saw empty space (instead of a partition with the hybrid), and when i tried to add a partition at the other end, i was informed that it wasn't possible because it was in use |
| 15:43.59 | paxcoder | this hackery - i'm not a fan |
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| 15:45.29 | paxcoder | jelly: ^ |
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| 15:45.53 | jelly | paxcoder: yeah. get two sticks. |
| 15:46.00 | paxcoder | -_- |
| 15:46.11 | paxcoder | jelly: i was able to do it before |
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| 15:47.20 | AvatarA | ozzloy_, seems like it's "lato" font, but maybe it's a browser issue (I don't have the font package installed but I still see the page fine) |
| 15:47.49 | paxcoder | jelly: did hybrid design change? I think I was able to do it stick to (same) stick with a hybrid image before. |
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| 15:49.09 | AvatarA | paxcoder, search google how to boot iso with grub |
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| 15:49.29 | ozzloy_ | AvatarA, how did you find that out? |
| 15:49.38 | ozzloy_ | AvatarA, also thanks! |
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| 15:49.47 | bobi1024 | have anyone had a problem with openvpn client not asking for private key password when started for the 1st time |
| 15:49.51 | ozzloy_ | AvatarA, i'm using iceweasel. you? |
| 15:50.02 | paxcoder | AvatarA: why? |
| 15:50.04 | AvatarA | then you can partition your USB however you want, put that iso on a partition, boot it and install to another partition |
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| 15:50.13 | AvatarA | make a third partition for Windows files, etc |
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| 15:50.36 | paxcoder | AvatarA: are you suggesting I have just one partition? |
| 15:51.17 | AvatarA | grub -> /dev/sdx |
| 15:51.22 | ozzloy_ | AvatarA, it looks like i have that font installed already :-/ |
| 15:51.28 | paxcoder | Where would swap be? Would state persist? Could it be resized? |
| 15:51.32 | AvatarA | debian installer.iso -> /dev/sdx1 |
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| 15:51.41 | AvatarA | debian installed -> /dev/sdx2 |
| 15:51.48 | AvatarA | fat partition /dev/sdx3 |
| 15:51.51 | ozzloy_ | ok, so i just need to configure iceweasel, hopefully. thanks, i'll look into that |
| 15:51.52 | Gnhugo | Hi to all |
| 15:52.52 | bobi1024 | I'm using systemctrl start openvpn@office to start the client |
| 15:53.05 | AvatarA | I also have iceweasel ozzloy_ |
| 15:53.08 | paxcoder | AvatarA: That's what I tried to do, but during installation, the installer didn't recognize his own partition on sdx, and did not allow another to be added to the end. |
| 15:53.25 | bobi1024 | but it's not asking for password |
| 15:53.26 | paxcoder | oh wait, i didn't try that |
| 15:53.37 | paxcoder | i dd'd to sdx, not sdx1+grub |
| 15:53.44 | AvatarA | paxcoder, you don't understand what happens when you dd a hybrid iso to /dev/sdx |
| 15:53.45 | paxcoder | i did try sdx2+lilo -M though |
| 15:53.49 | bobi1024 | it asks when I run it for the second time |
| 15:53.55 | paxcoder | AvatarA: ^ |
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| 15:54.39 | ozzloy_ | AvatarA, i'm on debian 8.2, you? |
| 15:54.40 | veek | anyway to turn off writes by X jbd2 and kworker |
| 15:54.52 | veek | i'm using a flash drive so.. |
| 15:54.54 | AvatarA | ozzloy_, Debian stretch/testing |
| 15:55.00 | paxcoder | I'll try full boot loader install (first lilo, then grub). Will report. |
| 15:55.13 | ozzloy_ | hm.... |
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| 15:57.21 | abferm | Is there a good tool out there to build the fstab file? I don't really want to build a bash script that builds and echos the line in there... |
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| 15:59.37 | AvatarA | I think arch has a fstab-gen or something |
| 15:59.59 | bazhang | sudo blkid |
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| 16:02.53 | paxcoder | AvatarA: I got an error message from grub saying that installing on a disk with multiple partition labels in unsupported |
| 16:03.00 | paxcoder | *from grub-install |
| 16:04.32 | paxcoder | lilo -b issued a few warnings, but installed, however booting it produced just a long string of " 01" |
| 16:04.40 | bobi1024 | guys any help for openvpn client ? |
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| 16:07.33 | bobi1024 | some help why the openvpn client is not asking for password ? |
| 16:07.54 | paxcoder | "grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install." |
| 16:07.55 | chang | Hey guys I installed drivers for my graphics card and now I'm getting the blinking cursor |
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| 16:08.13 | chang | Itried nomodeset but it didn't help |
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| 16:09.01 | chang | Ihave a hybrid intel/amd card, installed the catalyst driver and let it auto configure |
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| 16:10.20 | AvatarA | paxcoder, first of all did you delete all the partitions on that USB and re-create them? |
| 16:10.43 | AvatarA | because if you dd-d the iso and then edited partitions, it's probably a mess |
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| 16:11.03 | Komanda | need to loginw with password without setting up keys |
| 16:11.06 | Komanda | can i add soemthing to .ssh/config to accomplish this? |
| 16:11.09 | AvatarA | second, in the grub-install you have to mention the /boot directory path |
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| 16:18.13 | paxcoder | AvatarA: same error |
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| 16:20.46 | Halma | hello all |
| 16:20.51 | mazde | Hi. I have an issue with any web server software I install. When I try to access a page it says 403 - forbidden access, I tried lots of things on the web but nothing worked |
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| 16:21.11 | Halma | how can i import a color-scheme for kate under debian if i am using xfce ? |
| 16:21.18 | centrx | Web 1.0 or 2.0? |
| 16:22.05 | mazde | Can somebody please help me ? :( |
| 16:22.53 | Halma | firewall or iptables active? |
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| 16:24.02 | Halma | mazde which webserver u ran ? |
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| 16:29.29 | crhylove | I'm so sad about this whole systemd thing. Seems like a real wasted opportunity for Debian. |
| 16:29.33 | bobi1024 | mazde: do you have anything in the default documentroot of the webserver |
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| 16:30.27 | bobi1024 | crhylove: me too. I have openvpn client problem and I'm sure it's systemd related |
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| 16:31.02 | crhylove | Now there's a bunch of pro systemd bad actors making drama in the devuan mailing list too. #fml |
| 16:31.17 | ScRaMbLe | So if noone seems to be happy with systemd... why debian has chosen to apply it? |
| 16:31.39 | crhylove | ScRaMbLe: EXCELLENT question. Really, really excellent. |
| 16:32.00 | mazde | bobi1024: I have the files that I want to use |
| 16:32.13 | mazde | Halma: I tried lighttpd |
| 16:32.24 | bobi1024 | the short answer for me is that systemd unifies things for the developers |
| 16:32.33 | paxcoder | jelly: AvatarA: time to burn a cd rom yaaay 2015 |
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| 16:33.27 | ScRaMbLe | if "easier for dev" but breaks *everything* ... logic? |
| 16:33.42 | bobi1024 | ScRaMbLe: true that |
| 16:34.06 | crhylove | bobi1024: More importantly, your users migrate to a different platform, who are you deving for? |
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| 16:34.54 | bobi1024 | crhylove: platform in a sense of? |
| 16:35.31 | lunchdump | i like systemd |
| 16:35.44 | crhylove | One that doesn't use systemd. I'm currently using LMDE instead of stock Debian for a lot of things, because it has support for 2 more years. |
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| 16:35.57 | crhylove | (and no systemd breakage) |
| 16:36.19 | bobi1024 | crhylove: LMDE is debian based and eventually it will get systemd |
| 16:36.33 | crhylove | Which is why I'm hanging out in #devuan |
| 16:36.33 | ewew | For me it looks like not everything is migrated to systemd. |
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| 16:37.05 | crhylove | ewew: And for good reason. It's a fairly radical change that a lot of us active sysadmins are having trouble adjusting to. |
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| 16:37.42 | ewew | Maybe the internet services based on debian will faill. |
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| 16:39.12 | bobi1024 | crhylove: Honestly I'm experiencing more problems with systemd for personal use rather than work realted things |
| 16:39.56 | bobi1024 | crhylove: may be because 95% of our machines are CentOS 6 based :-} |
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| 16:40.02 | crhylove | Lucky you! For personal use you can use LMDE (that's what I'm doing!). It's a really great desktop. But I'm much more concerned long term about my servers. |
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| 16:41.06 | ewew | Apache still does not have systemd unit. It goes on autogen from init scripts. |
| 16:41.08 | bobi1024 | crhylove: I've tried it like a year ago I don't know why I didn't like it |
| 16:41.19 | cusco | hi |
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| 16:41.47 | cusco | where am I to place a personal ssl certificate in debian, where it will not be like overwritten with a package update or so? |
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| 16:42.52 | crhylove | bobi1024: Try it again! Try the MATE version. |
| 16:43.43 | bobi1024 | crhylove: Oh, I love MATE. I'm running on all my personal machines under debian testing |
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| 16:43.54 | jelly | ScRaMbLe: it doesn't "break everything" and many of the annoying issues have been fixed with 8.2. It would help if you could point out a specific problem you're having. |
| 16:44.08 | bobi1024 | crhylove: debian is not the problem, some functions of systemd are |
| 16:44.40 | ewew | and proper documetation is missing. |
| 16:45.00 | crhylove | jelly: I've had virtualization issues with systemd. |
| 16:45.10 | crhylove | And I HATE the log files. |
| 16:45.26 | jelly | "HATE" is not a technical issue we can help with. |
| 16:45.44 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:45.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:45.58 | jelly | ^^ something that can be phrased like that, might be |
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| 16:47.03 | ksk | !version curl |
| 16:47.10 | ksk | !versions curl |
| 16:47.13 | jelly | ksk: /msg judd versions curl |
| 16:47.17 | ksk | thanks jelly |
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| 16:47.50 | jelly | judd's command character is , not ! but you really want to use /msg unless you're helping someone else |
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| 16:48.54 | ksk | ah cmon, everone wants to know the available versions of curl ;) Ill try to keep that in mind, thanks. |
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| 17:02.51 | bobi1024 | I have problem with openvpn client not asking me for password |
| 17:02.56 | bobi1024 | someone care to help |
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| 17:06.57 | Juslintek | Hi, how to properly setup lamp so uploads for different users would be available via 755 permissions on directories? |
| 17:07.17 | Juslintek | Because now I have to set 777 to allow uploads |
| 17:07.32 | Juslintek | and that is known as security hole. |
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| 17:08.08 | trickshotjohnny | Juslintek: look into 775 permissions with the uploaders members of the same group and the sticky bit set on the directory to keep someone from deleting another's uploaded files. |
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| 17:09.54 | Juslintek | trickshotjohnny, well currently I can upload, with www-data:www-data use set on directory, but I want it to be possible with usr:usr. |
| 17:10.43 | Juslintek | trickshotjohnny, where can I find uploaders members configurations |
| 17:11.10 | trickshotjohnny | i dont think that will work the way you think it does for http, it's always going to be www-data since apache is running as an unprivileged user |
| 17:11.15 | trickshotjohnny | that's more of a function of ftp |
| 17:12.01 | Juslintek | trickshotjohnny, so how to I set upload via http persmissions on regular user? |
| 17:13.30 | Juslintek | Can I add user to multiple groups? |
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| 17:13.48 | Juslintek | For example that user would belong to its personal group and www-data as well |
| 17:14.15 | Juslintek | I think in this way I could sort out the problem, and make bash file to automation of this process. |
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| 17:14.36 | trickshotjohnny | yes, users can belong to multiple groups |
| 17:14.39 | Juslintek | Because as far as I understand www-data group has http upload permission. |
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| 17:15.26 | trickshotjohnny | if you configure apache appropriately to access uploads for a certain URL path |
| 17:15.35 | trickshotjohnny | s/access/allow/g |
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| 17:18.10 | AvatarA | Juslintek, what exactly do you want to do? |
| 17:18.21 | AvatarA | users upload what and why? |
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| 17:19.05 | Juslintek | AvatarA, I've made a vps, I have there multiple users they have wordpress installed, all dirs belong to user:user, I want them to be able to upload files via media uploader. |
| 17:19.33 | Juslintek | I think it has to do with user, group permission for php and apache. |
| 17:19.41 | AvatarA | media uploader? you can create multiple users in wordpress |
| 17:19.49 | AvatarA | you can manage everything from wordpress |
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| 17:20.42 | Juslintek | AvatarA, but when my friend upload via media uploader to server some pictures it gets and error that it has no permissions to upload or create directories. |
| 17:20.53 | AvatarA | or you mean everyone has his own wordpress install? something like user1/www/wordpress user2/www/wordpress ? |
| 17:21.03 | Juslintek | Because for different dates wordpress creates different directories |
| 17:21.25 | Juslintek | AvatarA, yes I mean that everyone has his own wordpress install |
| 17:21.52 | Juslintek | Its not wordpress users its debian users |
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| 17:23.19 | AvatarA | where do they have their own wordpress install? |
| 17:23.26 | AvatarA | what directories? |
| 17:24.04 | Juslintek | They have it in /home/user1/domains/domain1.com/public_html and /home/user2/domains/domain2.com/public_html |
| 17:24.06 | bobi1024 | I have the same problem under debian - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942841 |
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| 17:24.13 | bobi1024 | can someone help me ? |
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| 17:27.37 | AvatarA | Juslintek, I have never needed multi-user for apache but a google search seems to indicate apache2-mpm-itk as a solution |
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| 17:28.33 | AvatarA | mpm-itk allows you to run each of your vhost under a separate uid and gidâin short, the scripts and configuration files for one vhost no longer have to be readable for all the other vhosts. |
| 17:29.34 | Juslintek | AvatarA, RewriteEngine on RewriteRule /~([a-z]+)/ - [E=ITKUID:$1] AssignUserIDExpr %{reqenv:ITKUID} This will cause e.g. /~sesse/foo to be run as the user âsesseâ (and /~root/foo to be run as user ârootâ, so beware!). |
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| 17:29.40 | jelly | bobi1024: care to pastebin the output of "dpkg -l dpkg openvpn systemd" and "pstree -Apa $(pgrep openvpn)" when this happens, to confirm the symptoms? |
| 17:29.55 | cyphix | I would like to modify the source code of nginx before the system applies an available upgrade. Is there a way to do this automatically? Or should I manually download, modify and install the package everytime? |
| 17:30.30 | cyphix | It would obviously be the same modification everytime. |
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| 17:36.26 | bobi1024 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/9wYneFav |
| 17:36.55 | bobi1024 | this happened after some updates |
| 17:37.15 | bobi1024 | like 2-3 months ago |
| 17:37.19 | jelly | bobi1024: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:37.29 | bobi1024 | debian testing |
| 17:37.32 | jelly | ahhh |
| 17:37.45 | jelly | well, welcome to testing. Stuff breaks all the time! |
| 17:37.51 | jelly | !debian-nexy |
| 17:37.53 | jelly | !debian-next |
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| 17:37.56 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
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| 17:38.06 | jelly | bobi1024: ^^ the correct place to ask |
| 17:38.08 | bobi1024 | i can't join there without invite |
| 17:38.16 | jelly | bobi1024: *not* on Freenode. |
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| 17:39.18 | jelly | testing is for people who like to help fixing bugs, use it on a secondary machine |
| 17:39.23 | bobi1024 | jelly: what do you mean? |
| 17:39.46 | jelly | bobi1024: that channel is on irc.oftc.net, different IRC network, different IRC server |
| 17:40.25 | bobi1024 | jelly: thanks. I will try. |
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| 17:42.59 | antena-cli | How do I solve my boot problems? https://paste.debian.net/314107/ |
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| 17:48.30 | trickshotjohnny | antena-cli: is the box not functional after booting? what other symptoms do you see other than the log entries? |
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| 17:49.26 | antena-cli | trickshotjohnny: Everything looks functional. |
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| 17:53.02 | trickshotjohnny | they look like benign errors. the fifo underrun is related to intel video driver and is benign if you actually have a functional display |
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| 17:53.26 | trickshotjohnny | the other ones are benign if you're not running anything that requires rpc/portmapper like NFS |
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| 18:19.59 | anexit | what do I need to install in order for smb:// to work |
| 18:20.13 | Brigo | anexit, smbclient package |
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| 18:21.07 | anexit | Brigo: hmm, I did that |
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| 18:21.30 | anexit | bbiab, maybe I need to reboot |
| 18:21.32 | hexnewbie | anexit: What toolkit/desktop environment? |
| 18:21.37 | anexit | XFCE |
| 18:21.40 | Brigo | anexit, then we need more data. |
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| 18:21.50 | bobi1024 | jelly: no help on debian-next |
| 18:22.04 | bobi1024 | but I found the bug - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792907 |
| 18:22.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/792907 in openvpn (pending): «systemd: use KillMode=mixed»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-19; last modified: 2015-08-13. |
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| 18:22.27 | bobi1024 | and the patch has done the job |
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| 18:24.12 | anexit | Brigo: I installed Thunar, from there if I type smb://IP I get nothing |
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| 18:24.25 | anexit | This is running XFCE |
| 18:24.28 | srg | I'm trying to ping6 a server, but I get this error: "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
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| 18:24.42 | anexit | srg (sudo?) |
| 18:24.45 | srg | I do have ip6tables rules, but they should allow all output and allow icmp input. |
| 18:24.51 | srg | anexit: you have to be sudo to ping? |
| 18:24.55 | anexit | yup |
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| 18:25.20 | Brigo | anexit, you have to install the recomended or/and sugested packages, someone of them will do the job. |
| 18:25.31 | hexnewbie | anexit: On my system, smb:// in Thunar seems to use gvfsd-smb-browse, which is from the gvfs-backends package |
| 18:25.59 | hexnewbie | anexit: I don't know if that's all you need, though :) |
| 18:26.24 | anexit | hexnewbie: stand by |
| 18:27.46 | anexit | hexnewbie: indeed, that works! |
| 18:28.17 | Brigo | anexit, : ince Xfce 4.8 (Thunar 1.2) it is possible to browse remote locations (such as FTP servers or Samba shares) directly in Thunar. To enable this functionality ensure that gvfs, gvfs-smb and sshfs packages are installed. |
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| 18:29.21 | anexit | One more question: Is there a package that install all the wine cfg and gui? |
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| 18:30.08 | anexit | sudo apt-get install wine installed wine but wasn't what I was looking for. |
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| 18:31.02 | hexnewbie | anexit: What are you lacking? Wine is pretty self-contained :) |
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| 18:31.51 | anexit | hexnewbie: winecfg? |
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| 18:32.55 | abferm | Soooo, When I'm booting fsck can't find fsck.ext4. How do I fix this? |
| 18:32.56 | anexit | on ubuntu I have wincfg that allows me to put apps in a virtual type environment |
| 18:33.10 | hexnewbie | anexit: Should be installed with wine. It is part of wine and libwine. |
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| 18:34.12 | abferm | I would really like my ext4 root filesystem to be rw... |
| 18:35.28 | hexnewbie | abferm: Is your last message implying you booted with the broken fs? |
| 18:35.31 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: it's part of e2fsprogs, and should be installed by default. if that's not there, it's not a good sign for the health of the rest of the disk. |
| 18:35.40 | xauth | abferm: over here it's in package e2fstools, /sbin/fsck.ext4 |
| 18:36.04 | abferm | It is there, I think it is a PATH issue |
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| 18:36.16 | trickshotjohnny | /sbin/fsck.ext4 |
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| 18:36.24 | xauth | abferm: are you root? |
| 18:36.42 | abferm | I can be, why? |
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| 18:37.13 | xauth | abferm: /sbin might not be in mortal's PATH |
| 18:37.22 | anexit | winecfg should work but I get winecfg.exe not found |
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| 18:37.58 | trickshotjohnny | normal users don't typically have /sbin and /usr/sbin added to their path. root typically does have them |
| 18:37.59 | abferm | xauth: When fsck tries to run during the boot process it can't find it. That shouldn't be something specific to my user should it? |
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| 18:38.39 | xauth | abferm: hmm... |
| 18:39.06 | abferm | is system a user, and can I set their PATH? |
| 18:39.29 | srg | I'm not able to ping6 out to my other server, but I can to google.com: https://gist.github.com/srguglielmo/8bd810e2124f4eb10a28 Any ideas? |
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| 18:39.44 | anexit | nevermind on the wine issue wine cfg works |
| 18:39.48 | xauth | abferm: your users are listed in /etc/passwd |
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| 18:40.35 | xauth | abferm: can you run /sbin/fsck.ext4 now? |
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| 18:41.22 | abferm | xauth: yeah, I can run it maually after boot |
| 18:41.42 | xauth | abferm: ok, so it's not a missing so (library) then. |
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| 18:43.21 | xauth | abferm: hmm... does fsck get run from the initrd? could something be missing there? |
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| 18:44.29 | fennesz | Hello everyone ! I am trying to configure a backup with deja dup . My question is if the files are cloned to the backup folder . What I mean is if I delete something to the source , will the backup file also be deleted? Also what is the option to keep the files for at least a year. A tutorial I found states that deja dup saves file incrementaly , so how does it work ? Any help would be much appreciated ! |
| 18:46.20 | unborn | fennesz, it all depends what you did set up.. incremental or normal backup.. :) |
| 18:47.27 | unborn | fennesz, perhaps you are in wrong irc channel.. try to find out dejadup channel.. cheers |
| 18:47.30 | fennesz | unborn, I dont have these settings. I have overview , folders to save, folders to ignore, storage location, Scheduling |
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| 18:47.34 | abferm | xauth: systemd runs it during startup |
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| 18:47.57 | unborn | fennesz, see comment posted above |
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| 18:48.39 | indrora | on Debian Jessie (8) how, under systemd, do I make a module unload/reload during suspend? |
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| 18:49.23 | indrora | I need to unload i2c_hid at suspend and reload it during wakeup. |
| 18:49.23 | fennesz | unborn, found #duplicity will ask there. 14 people there still... |
| 18:49.31 | xauth | gives up on hearing systemd. |
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| 18:50.05 | abferm | xauth: look at my logs -> http://pastebin.com/AamD7CpQ |
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| 18:51.05 | indrora | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#Sleep_hooks I think this is what I'm looking for. |
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| 18:51.47 | xauth | abferm: It's probably /dev/mmcblk0p1 that was not found. |
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| 18:53.06 | abferm | xauth: ... shouldn't be, that is what it is booting from |
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| 18:53.33 | xauth | abferm: That may very well be, but that doesn't mean that the device node is there. |
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| 18:55.07 | abferm | xauth: so... why is fsck running before that is populated? |
| 18:55.42 | xauth | abferm: That's for you to find out. |
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| 18:56.09 | xauth | abferm: I say it shouldn't, but something must be wrong. |
| 18:57.24 | abferm | xauth: I generated the image I'm using with debootstrap, it is possible that I didn't configure something that needs to be, but I have no idea where to start looking. |
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| 19:04.21 | jhutchins | abferm: I think I'd start with something like "systemd filesystem check" |
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| 19:05.00 | jhutchins | abferm: systemd's new, and debootstrap does a very minimal install, so you could very well be missing something. |
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| 19:05.42 | gin | Hi All |
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| 19:07.11 | gin | I am tyring to upgrade Debian 8.1 to 8.2. Afaik, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should do the trick, no? However, Apt just tells me that the system is up to date. Did I miss something? |
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| 19:07.52 | greycat | What does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 19:08.35 | jhutchins | gin: try aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:09.01 | greycat | That shouldn't be necessary, jhutchins. |
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| 19:09.11 | greycat | Either it's already up to date, or the sources.list is not correct. |
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| 19:09.55 | xauth | abferm: looking closer the error seems to come from fsck, not fsck.ext4, so it's probably fsck.ext4 or one of its .so libraries missing after all. |
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| 19:11.14 | jhutchins | xauth: Yet you're able to run fsck manually, which suggests that .ext4 is there. |
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| 19:12.29 | xauth | abferm: but is it the real root fs or the initrd that runs fsck? |
| 19:12.30 | jhutchins | xauth: It would surprize me if systemd used a traditional existing tool to do something like check the disk. |
| 19:12.54 | abferm | xauth: it might be the initrd, I'm not sure |
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| 19:13.17 | abferm | Actually, it probably is... |
| 19:13.18 | gin | thanks for the reply guys. Tried "sudo apt-get full-upgrade" (no aptitude and no install candidates) and it says there is no such command. apt version 1.0.9.8 |
| 19:13.19 | xauth | jhutchins: I never got the hang of systemd. From my point of view, everything is possible. |
| 19:13.49 | xauth | gin: full-upgrade is for aptitude, not apt-get. |
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| 19:14.43 | xauth | gin: use apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 19:16.21 | jhutchins | gin: aptitude because it does deeper dependency resolution. |
| 19:17.04 | gin | "apt-get dist-upgrade" says all is up to date. That is VERY weird. I could swear puppet had been upgrading previous instances just fine. I use this AMI: https://goo.gl/KMr916 |
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| 19:18.57 | abferm | xauth: I'm using an inital ram disk that was built with my kernel. Is there any way I can check to see if it has everything it needs? |
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| 19:24.57 | gentwo | i have added a user , but user can't run any application |
| 19:24.59 | crhylove | Anybody got webmin installed properly in wheezy? |
| 19:25.36 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: cat /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 | gunzip | cpio -id |
| 19:25.44 | trickshotjohnny | substitute the path to your initrd |
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| 19:26.26 | gentwo | is the user have to be any specific group in order to run the application? |
| 19:26.26 | crhylove | What am I doing wrong? pkg-deb: error: `webmin_1.760_all.deb' is not a debian format archive |
| 19:26.26 | crhylove | dpkg: error processing webmin_1.760_all.deb (--install): |
| 19:26.26 | crhylove | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.26 | dpkg | crhylove: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:28.37 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: I used "lsinitramfs -l initrd.img-3.19.0-armv7-1 | fgrep fsck" I see sbin/fsck, but none of its modules (sbin/fsck.xxx). |
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| 19:33.32 | gentwo | does the user have to be wheel group in order to run programs? |
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| 19:40.51 | gentwo | #gentoo-chat |
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| 19:52.45 | jhutchins | gentwo: Depends on the program. |
| 19:53.01 | jhutchins | gentwo: For most programs no. |
| 19:53.09 | _0bitcount | UnknownSoldier, no spam, please. |
| 19:53.20 | jhutchins | gentwo: What programs are you trying to run? What happens when you try? |
| 19:53.20 | BongoBrongro | hi, we're a small hosting company and built a custom kernel for our vps customers. we did 'make menuconfig' and 'make -j<n>'. how can we package this compiled kernel now and deploy it in our own mirror? |
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| 19:53.50 | jhutchins | BongoBrongro: make dpkg |
| 19:54.05 | jhutchins | BongoBrongro: Or is it make deb? Something like taht. |
| 19:54.09 | jhutchins | !build |
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| 19:54.32 | greycat | I only know the old way and it seems the old factoids do not point to the new way. |
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| 19:56.01 | greycat | Ah, kernel HANDBOOK! |
| 19:56.04 | greycat | !kernel handbook |
| 19:56.05 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 19:56.09 | jhutchins | BongoBrongro: http://serverfault.com/questions/380454/creating-custom-deb-packages-of-common-programs |
| 19:56.21 | greycat | jhutchins: please stop giving random wrong answers |
| 19:56.36 | jhutchins | greycat: I'll admit yours was better. |
| 19:57.27 | jhutchins | greycat: ... and aparantly that wasn't the link I thought it was. |
| 19:57.59 | greycat | dpkg, kernel-package =~ s/To compile a kernel/Obsolete. Use <kernel handbook> instead. Used to be/ |
| 19:58.00 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:58.48 | BongoBrongro | oookay, so many information in the handbook :D |
| 19:59.35 | greycat | and make-kpkg already had a pointer to it... that should be enough, hopefully |
| 20:00.10 | abferm | xauth, trickshotjohnny: Okay, I have more context now. fsck is not being run by the initial ram disk, it is being run by /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
| 20:00.17 | BongoBrongro | greycat: you said jhutchins told me wrong answer(s), so his answer(s) is wrong? |
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| 20:00.38 | jhutchins | BongoBrongro: Yes, obsolete and not exact. |
| 20:00.43 | greycat | I am not going to bother reading his random googled URLs to find out, but if they don't point to the Debian kernel handbook, they are not right. |
| 20:01.33 | jhutchins | BongoBrongro: I grabbed the wrong URL too. More coffee. |
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| 20:04.37 | albru123 | I'm used to work under root, but when I want to run some program under non-elevated user, I just get "program": not found. What am I doing wrong or have configured wrongly? You can assume that I'm noob from such question... |
| 20:04.59 | greycat | PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin:/sbin |
| 20:05.03 | greycat | bah. |
| 20:05.05 | greycat | PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
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| 20:05.50 | albru123 | So only the second one, right? |
| 20:06.00 | greycat | First one was a typo. |
| 20:06.08 | jhutchins | albru123: Or /full/path/to/binary |
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| 20:08.44 | BongoBrongro | oh, our developers already made their own build scripts *crying* |
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| 20:11.05 | BongoBrongro | 0 Oct 1 20:10 kernel-4.1.9-lnvps.beta-3.x86_64.deb |
| 20:11.07 | BongoBrongro | ehh :( |
| 20:11.56 | BongoBrongro | ok, nevermind. thanks all |
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| 20:18.15 | albru123 | greycat: Thanks a lot |
| 20:18.45 | greycat | (That PATH change is only for your current shell, by the way. To make it permanent, you need to add it to ~/.bashrc or similar.) |
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| 20:23.41 | abferm | xauth, trickshotjohnny: Okay, I have more context now. fsck is not being run by the initial ram disk, it is being run by /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
| 20:24.05 | abferm | woops, double post... |
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| 20:29.24 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: yep, I see the same on my system. |
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| 20:29.49 | trickshotjohnny | doesn't look like it calls out fsck.ext4 specifically, so that appears to be a function of /sbin/fsck |
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| 20:32.25 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: ok, it's adding /sbin to the path, but not exporting the path. fsck is being called through a logsave command, either a script or bash function, and I doubt that it or fsck are getting the path from the checkroot.sh script. |
| 20:32.30 | jhutchins | trickshotjohnny: Right, fsck checks to see what filesystem it is and calls the appropriate module. |
| 20:32.50 | trickshotjohnny | trying adding an 'export ' before the line that sets the path. it's line 16 on my side. |
| 20:33.07 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: okay, on a second look I see the same in the initial ram disk... in /scripts/functions |
| 20:33.38 | albru123 | How can I start some program which needs root access (like gparted) under normal user? My vncserver is running under normal user and I don't know how to do it. |
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| 20:36.26 | darsie | gthumb sucks so bad. Is it possible to compile a version from like 5 years ago for jessie:amd64? |
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| 20:37.08 | darsie | a potato version perhaps. |
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| 20:37.22 | cxd13 | the debian installer doesn't have a way to skip disk erase when you choose to encrypt a partition? |
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| 20:38.50 | jhutchins | cxd13: correct. |
| 20:39.03 | jhutchins | cxd13: If it's a big disk come back tomorrow. |
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| 20:39.20 | jhutchins | cxd13: it writes zeros over all of the blocks. |
| 20:39.24 | zykotick9 | cxd13: it does in the netinst for sure... you can hit cancel (or similar) |
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| 20:39.53 | jhutchins | cxd13: I believe that's actually a function of the encryption tool. |
| 20:39.54 | cxd13 | zykotick9: no, the netinst is the only thing i've used and there's no cancel |
| 20:40.05 | head8debian | brokencycle: Probably, if you can get the code. |
| 20:40.12 | head8debian | And build it manually. |
| 20:40.26 | zykotick9 | cxd13: that's not my experience... |
| 20:40.33 | cxd13 | the ubuntu installer has a skip/cancel or lets you choose to erase disk before encryption but debian's doesn't |
| 20:40.43 | cxd13 | zykotick9: hmm i don't know then |
| 20:41.03 | darsie | cxd13: perhaps you can kill the process that does the erase. hit alt-f2 for a console. |
| 20:41.45 | cxd13 | darsie: yea i didn't think of that |
| 20:41.49 | cxd13 | oh well, it's not a big deal |
| 20:42.03 | cxd13 | but options are always nice |
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| 20:44.16 | RayzrShrp | looks like debian is using ryslog as the default syslog implementation, is moving it to syslog-ng as simple as uninstalling ryslog and installing syslog-ng? |
| 20:44.35 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: That didn't help any... I think it is running in the initrd. I found a scripts/functions file that has something very similar in it. |
| 20:44.41 | greycat | Debian switched from sysklogd to rsyslog last release. |
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| 20:45.02 | greycat | I can't help with syslog-ng though. |
| 20:45.13 | RayzrShrp | correct but I find the config file format for rsyslog kinda confusing compared to syslog-ng |
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| 20:45.47 | abferm | albru123: sudo gparted |
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| 20:46.30 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: Yeah, you can switch around between the standard daemons. |
| 20:46.44 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: try recreating your initrd |
| 20:46.53 | albru123 | abferm: Is this the only solution? I hate sudo since I used Ubuntu... |
| 20:46.55 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: They have different capabilities and directives for teh forwarding, but just logging is the same. |
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| 20:47.17 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: What are you trying to configure? |
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| 20:48.14 | zophy | how can i know if my ipv6 address is native or a brokered tunnel ? |
| 20:48.16 | RayzrShrp | jhutchins: so i have a few network devices and I want to break out the logging per network device so I'm planning on utilizing logging filters |
| 20:48.18 | abferm | albru123: why do you hate sudo? You could also do "su root" to log in as root from any terminal... |
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| 20:48.28 | RayzrShrp | rsyslog.d is really confusing with that rainerscript |
| 20:48.29 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r) |
| 20:48.30 | Mia | hi there all |
| 20:48.32 | RayzrShrp | i am not a programmer |
| 20:48.48 | Mia | I want to start a gnu screen session on shell login |
| 20:48.50 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: man rsyslog.conf? |
| 20:48.57 | Mia | where should I put it? |
| 20:49.02 | RayzrShrp | yeah i read the website for rsyslog |
| 20:49.11 | trickshotjohnny | RayrShrp: I have a much easier time with syslog-ng for log filtering like that |
| 20:49.19 | RayzrShrp | yeah thats what ive read |
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| 20:49.30 | zophy | Mia, .bashrc |
| 20:49.36 | RayzrShrp | hence wanting to switch |
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| 20:49.40 | greycat | Not .bashrc. That is used by ALL shells, not just login shells. |
| 20:50.00 | Mia | greycat, yes I don't want to see the gnu screen when I connect via ssh |
| 20:50.03 | RLa | i have command `service mysql restart` not restarting mysql, checked pids |
| 20:50.07 | RLa | on debian jessie |
| 20:50.08 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: The man page says to see the html docs for expression based filters. |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | Mia: well, this is getting more complex. |
| 20:50.19 | albru123 | abferm: su doesn't work because there is no display running under root |
| 20:50.20 | Mia | I just want the gnu screen being displayed on the main machine, I'll use it to ssh to it and display various stuff |
| 20:50.24 | RayzrShrp | yeah i read the rsyslog webpage |
| 20:50.35 | greycat | Mia: so you only want to start screen when you login on a /dev/tty* console? |
| 20:50.39 | RayzrShrp | its too complicated |
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| 20:50.44 | Mia | greycat, okay let me ask the main question then -- maybe there is a beter way then screen |
| 20:51.04 | zophy | tmux :) |
| 20:51.04 | abferm | albru123: any user should be able to run su.. |
| 20:51.15 | Mia | I'm new to linux so I might mess up the terminology -- don't mind my mistakes (I'd be glad if you correct when you see them :) ) |
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| 20:51.26 | jhutchins | RayzrShrp: I admit I didn't get very deep into filtering, and I learned most of what I know on plain ol' syslog, but I do know you can just purge rsyslog and install ng instead. |
| 20:51.30 | Mia | So I have a debian based machine with no keyboard or mouse attached |
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| 20:51.38 | abferm | albru123: that is, if root has a password on your system. |
| 20:51.38 | Mia | only a display ---- where I want to display various things (like htop) |
| 20:51.41 | greycat | ... |
| 20:51.58 | albru123 | abferm: I'm ablet to run su, but the program can't start under root as it uses GUI and there's no display device running under root |
| 20:52.10 | Mia | I would like to ssh to it and at certain times be able to type to the shell that's displayed on the actual screen |
| 20:52.34 | greycat | Mia: so you don't actually log in to the system locally *at all*. Are you saying you want a persistent screen session started at boot time? |
| 20:52.34 | Mia | (so that what I see on ssh shell and the actual monitor would be the same) |
| 20:52.43 | jhutchins | Mia: Are you talking about a console screen or a GUI screen? |
| 20:52.53 | Mia | yes it's all console not gui jhutchins |
| 20:53.02 | Mia | greycat, what do you mean by persistent? |
| 20:53.11 | greycat | Mia: well, I really meant automatic. |
| 20:53.32 | greycat | If you want screen to run at boot time without you having to initiate it, you can do it from /etc/rc.local or a few other places. |
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| 20:53.49 | Mia | I mean I want to be able to type to the command prompt / terminal / shell / whatever it's called that's displayed on the actual device's actual display, with an ssh connection |
| 20:54.09 | Mia | greycat, rc.local does not work --- you can crete a deattached screen session but not an attached one |
| 20:54.11 | greycat | Then there has to be something for you to connect *to*. Which means screen has to be started. |
| 20:54.14 | abferm | albru123: you should run "gksudo gparted" |
| 20:54.16 | Mia | it fails when you don't do -d |
| 20:54.31 | Mia | right --- so back to my screen question :) |
| 20:54.41 | Mia | So here is what I've tried so far: |
| 20:55.00 | greycat | Start the detached screen session, and then attach it to /dev/tty1 and optionally suppress the getty that normally runs on tty1. |
| 20:55.02 | jhutchins | Mia: I know you can launch a screen session, then attach to it remotely. |
| 20:55.03 | Mia | I've treid adding screen -S monitor to rc.local ---- it faled to start |
| 20:55.17 | jhutchins | Mia: If you can enable auto-login and have screen be the last step, that would work. |
| 20:55.26 | Mia | jhutchins, yes --- you can --- but the started screen session HAS TO be displayed on the actual device in my case |
| 20:55.35 | jhutchins | Mia: Yes, you need a shell session. |
| 20:55.48 | greycat | Ask #screen how to make it run on /dev/tty1 from an rc.local script. |
| 20:56.02 | greycat | Make sure you run it as the appropriate user, etc. |
| 20:56.11 | jhutchins | greycat: You have to have a shell session first, and there are tools to do an auto-login that would allow that. |
| 20:56.12 | Mia | greycat --- yeah I added this line to .bashrc: |
| 20:56.16 | Mia | test -z "$STY" && test `tty` == '/dev/tty1' && exec screen -xRR -S tft |
| 20:56.25 | greycat | .bashrc is NOT RIGHT |
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| 20:56.47 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: I got this message when building the ram disk Warning: couldn't identify filesystem type for fsck hook, ignoring. |
| 20:56.50 | greycat | .bashrc is sourced by EVERY bash shell you run, including shell-escapes from vi and nethack |
| 20:56.56 | Mia | it works --- but the problem with this one is -- as long as I try to quit the screen on the actual device (by ssh'in, nd then doing screen -x to attach to the screen via ssh --- and then ding CTRL-D to destroy the screen session ---) |
| 20:56.57 | greycat | and xterms and everything |
| 20:57.03 | Mia | as long as I drop back to the shell, it creates a new one |
| 20:57.05 | greycat | It is NOT run at boot. |
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| 20:57.20 | Mia | hmm |
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| 20:57.41 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: make sure you have the fstype define correctly in /etc/fstab |
| 20:57.46 | greycat | I don't know whether tmux would be easier. I've never used it. |
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| 20:58.02 | trickshotjohnny | seems that the mkinitramfs only includes fsck for filesystems that it detects. |
| 20:58.07 | jhutchins | Mia: You're doing this on jessie with systemd, right? |
| 20:58.22 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: I have it set to auto in the fstab... |
| 20:58.23 | Mia | I'm on jessie right --- what's systemd? |
| 20:58.35 | greycat | Basic concepts here are (1) make screen session run at boot time; (2) make screen session which is now running get displayed on tty1 at boot time; (3) ssh in and connect to it |
| 20:58.44 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: set that to ext4 in /etc/fstab and it'll probably solve your problem |
| 20:58.45 | jhutchins | Mia: New startup system, replaces init.d |
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| 20:59.16 | RafaelK | hello folks |
| 20:59.16 | Mia | jhutchins, hm I had no idea --- I'm not using anything called systemd |
| 20:59.26 | Mia | I was just playing with rc.locals and .bashrc so far |
| 20:59.30 | Mia | ah and .profile |
| 20:59.31 | greycat | You really do not need to bring systemd into this. It's just an unnecessary complication at this point. |
| 20:59.50 | Mia | I also would like to keep things as barebones as possible |
| 20:59.54 | greycat | Unless it's for the "suppressing getty" part. |
| 20:59.55 | Mia | as less magic as possible |
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| 21:00.06 | RafaelK | floks how can i resolve following dependency? dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: dh-systemd (>= 1.5) |
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| 21:00.30 | greycat | RafaelK: well, the obvious answer would be to install dh-systemd |
| 21:00.31 | RafaelK | by running apt-ge install i get Package dh-systemd is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | ,v dh-systemd |
| 21:00.41 | judd | Package: dh-systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.18~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.22; stretch: 1.23; sid: 1.23 |
| 21:00.49 | greycat | did you mix distributions? |
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| 21:01.12 | RafaelK | no, on jessie |
| 21:01.37 | RafaelK | i'm trying to build MySQL on Raspberry Pi |
| 21:01.41 | greycat | RafaelK: it should be available in jessie. Check your sourc... OH |
| 21:01.47 | greycat | You're not on Debian. |
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| 21:02.36 | RafaelK | greycat: ;) |
| 21:02.49 | Mia | hmhmhm |
| 21:03.47 | RafaelK | do not understand this page https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/mcollective |
| 21:04.06 | RafaelK | here is https://packages.debian.org/jessie/dh-systemd (>= 1.5) to |
| 21:05.49 | greycat | Mia: did you already try the obvious stuff in rc.local, like "screen -d -m -S mia" and "screen -x mia </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty2 2>&1" ? |
| 21:06.01 | greycat | I am not a screen expert, though. |
| 21:06.19 | greycat | oh jesus, I mistyped the tty too... |
| 21:06.26 | Mia | greycat, yes in rc.local it does not attach for some reason |
| 21:06.37 | greycat | "screen -d -m -S mia" and "screen -x mia </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" ? |
| 21:06.38 | Mia | I tried doing screen -xRR in rc.local |
| 21:06.40 | Mia | didn't work |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | With the tty redirections? |
| 21:06.52 | Mia | when there is an attach in rc.local it fails |
| 21:06.52 | greycat | With the "start detached" thing? |
| 21:06.58 | Mia | does not matter if it's tty1 or not |
| 21:07.03 | Mia | yes I tried |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | Then ask #screen. I don't know. |
| 21:07.09 | Mia | screen -d ---> works |
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| 21:07.22 | Mia | screen -d and screen -x |
| 21:07.24 | Mia | does not work |
| 21:07.32 | Mia | screen ---> does not work also |
| 21:07.34 | greycat | I am NOT seeing you say that you ran it with redirections. |
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| 21:07.44 | greycat | You keep not saying it, over and over. |
| 21:07.47 | Mia | Hm what do you mean O_O |
| 21:07.53 | greycat | The redirections. |
| 21:07.56 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: okay, now I'm really confused! fsck is running correctly, but my rootfs still gets mounted as read only! |
| 21:08.01 | Mia | I'm sorry - as I mentioned above I'm very new - I'm really bad at terminology |
| 21:08.04 | greycat | screen -x mia </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 |
| 21:08.16 | Mia | what does that mean --- I can try now |
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| 21:08.27 | Mia | but when there is no screen you can't -x to it I can say |
| 21:08.36 | Mia | screen -x ----> does not work if ther is no screen |
| 21:08.37 | greycat | "screen -d -m -S mia" and "screen -x mia </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" ? |
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| 21:08.52 | Mia | ok let me add those two lines -- if it works you can explain me what it all means |
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| 21:09.29 | greycat | If we have to stop getty first, it's going to get ugly. |
| 21:09.45 | greycat | I'm hoping we can avoid that. |
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| 21:10.29 | jhutchins | There's also conspy |
| 21:10.59 | ewew | Mia You want to supress initial text when loggin with ssh ? |
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| 21:11.38 | Mia | ewew no -- I want to display what I type on ssh on my actual display |
| 21:11.42 | Mia | (when I want to) |
| 21:11.43 | greycat | She wants a keyboard-less, mouse-less box with just a non-X monitor attached to auto-run screen at boot time, so that it is displayed on the monitor, and also attachable by her (future) ssh logins. |
| 21:11.44 | jhutchins | !info conspy |
| 21:11.48 | dpkg | conspy: (Remote control of Linux virtual consoles), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 66 kB |
| 21:12.01 | Mia | so creating a screen session and logging into it via ssh seemed like a good deal ewew |
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| 21:13.43 | Mia | checking your recommendation greycat |
| 21:13.44 | RLa | so how the heck i debug systemd output: "mysql.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1"? |
| 21:13.48 | Mia | hmm |
| 21:14.30 | Mia | didn't work greycat |
| 21:14.43 | greycat | How did it fail? |
| 21:14.48 | Mia | it messed up the text being displayed (I have no diea why) -- cleared the whole screen once |
| 21:14.53 | Mia | but there was no screen created |
| 21:15.00 | Mia | I couÅldn't see any via screen -list |
| 21:15.10 | greycat | You confirmed that by ssh-ing in as root and running "screen -list"? |
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| 21:16.13 | Mia | yes, sure |
| 21:16.19 | Mia | that's what I did |
| 21:16.31 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I want to delete a user in debian 8. When I use "userdel" it tells me the user is used by a process and gives me pid. killing that leads to it being used by another pid :( |
| 21:16.38 | Mia | So here is my current solution that seems to be working -- please tell me if there is a problem with this one: |
| 21:17.14 | Mia | sudo nano .profile and add this line: test `tty` == '/dev/tty1' && exec screen -xRR -S tft |
| 21:17.32 | RafaelK | greycat: do you know where i can get dh-systemd >= 1.5? because i found other packages, which depend on dh-systemd >=5 |
| 21:17.33 | Mia | this kicks in when I power on the device |
| 21:17.44 | greycat | Mia: No, that "kicks in" when you login as root. |
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| 21:18.08 | greycat | ,v dh-systemd |
| 21:18.09 | judd | Package: dh-systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.18~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.22; stretch: 1.23; sid: 1.23 |
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| 21:18.29 | greycat | RafaelK: You are not on Debian jessie, so our answers will not help you. |
| 21:19.19 | RafaelK | i'm on jessie! this is Banana Pi |
| 21:19.29 | ewew | I dont know if clonning tty is possible |
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| 21:20.23 | Mia | greycat, I'm not logging in as root |
| 21:20.26 | Mia | it's working |
| 21:20.38 | greycat | Then you must have done some weird auto-login thing that I know nothing about. |
| 21:21.01 | teraflops | RafaelK: oh I do jessie en bananapi too ;) |
| 21:21.42 | RafaelK | teraflops: tried to build latest MySQL and Maria? |
| 21:21.56 | teraflops | RafaelK: why build it? |
| 21:22.04 | Mia | greycat, I enabled auto login through raspi-config (I'm actually on raspbian) |
| 21:22.05 | ewew | Maybe yes. |
| 21:22.09 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:22.39 | ewew | Dont know how but it works. screen -xRR -s tft |
| 21:22.58 | Mia | yeah |
| 21:23.09 | Mia | xRR is "login or create one if there is none" command |
| 21:23.09 | ewew | can this command be run with pam_exec ? |
| 21:23.14 | tytan | I want to delete a user on jessie but userdel won't let me do that |
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| 21:23.34 | ewew | tytan Check your logs in /var/log. |
| 21:24.13 | tytan | ewew: It tells me the user is used by a pid whichs seems to be bash itself |
| 21:24.25 | greycat | Mia: So it works because of your auto-login that you never bothered to mention. If that's what you want, fine. |
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| 21:24.37 | Mia | :'( |
| 21:24.40 | Mia | mean greycat |
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| 21:24.52 | greycat | You're not even on Debian. |
| 21:24.58 | greycat | Don't expect any help. |
| 21:25.13 | tytan | greycat: Would you like to help me? |
| 21:25.21 | RafaelK | teraflops: why not? :-P |
| 21:25.21 | teraflops | RafaelK: http://ix.io/l8G ^ |
| 21:25.45 | Mia | seemed like a general question to me about debian based distros, I'm new, and this place is far more active then #raspbian -- just survival instincts |
| 21:25.49 | Mia | Thank you for helping though |
| 21:26.13 | teraflops | RafaelK: then use gentoo not debian xDD |
| 21:26.32 | RafaelK | teraflops: MySQL and Maria provides debian binaries for x86 and 64 |
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| 21:26.47 | teraflops | RafaelK: look at my paste |
| 21:27.06 | RafaelK | this is 5.5 |
| 21:27.20 | teraflops | RafaelK: I do jessie en the bananapi with the debian official repos |
| 21:27.29 | teraflops | on* |
| 21:28.25 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: I feal like an idiot.... I wrote my fstab based on a partition label that I hadn't set yet... |
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| 21:29.58 | trickshotjohnny | hey, you got it fixed now, though. bet you won't do that twice :D |
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| 21:31.28 | ewew | greycat Is this recomended way to clone tty ? |
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| 21:31.40 | n-st | hi, for some reason snmpd doesn't report the disk usage of the / mountpoint when running on jessie in an lxc container. there don't seem to be any relevant bug reports. is there anything i can do to debug this? |
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| 21:34.15 | trickshotjohnny | n-st: are you using the UCD or HOST-RESOURCES OIDs? |
| 21:34.16 | w00die | Trying to handle with xorg, xserver, etc. on ARM embedded device. This is hell!) Is there any guide or instructions or something to understand it? Never configured it before) |
| 21:34.39 | trickshotjohnny | UCD only lists info of physical disks, but the host resources MIB will also show partitions, too. |
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| 21:36.43 | n-st | trickshotjohnny: i'm letting librenms do the querying. let me check what it's using |
| 21:37.07 | n-st | in any case, the same queries work for systems running wheezy; that's what got me confused |
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| 21:37.28 | squinty | !arm > w00die |
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| 21:37.53 | otyugh | ,v judd mumble |
| 21:37.55 | judd | No package named 'judd' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:38.03 | otyugh | ,v mumble |
| 21:38.04 | judd | Package: mumble on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.8-2; stretch: 1.2.8-2+b1; sid: 1.2.8-2+b1 |
| 21:38.48 | trickshotjohnny | n-st: it's likely the view configurations you have set in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf for the machine running in the container |
| 21:39.18 | trickshotjohnny | try to figure out what OIDs the libreNMS is querying and make sure you can query it manually via snmpwalk |
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| 21:40.51 | n-st | trickshotjohnny: http://pastebin.com/48AuPt6E |
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| 21:41.46 | n-st | trickshotjohnny: the snmpd.conf only has a syslocation, `extend .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.7890.1 distro /usr/local/bin/distro`, and `rocommunity nms 127.0.0.1` |
| 21:42.32 | trickshotjohnny | can you do that again with -On added to the options? |
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| 21:42.49 | trickshotjohnny | nevermind. i recognize that. |
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| 21:44.38 | rattking | hello. I am trying to get a script to run in /etc/pm/power.d in Jessie. if I call 'pm-powersave false' it runs but not if I unplug my laptop. any ideas on what I am missing? |
| 21:45.14 | n-st | trickshotjohnny: any idea why / is missing? |
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| 21:45.28 | trickshotjohnny | looks like it has something to do with being inside the container |
| 21:45.40 | trickshotjohnny | no idea. what does df show? |
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| 21:47.20 | n-st | trickshotjohnny: http://pastebin.com/Y82gfSvw |
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| 21:48.18 | trickshotjohnny | odd. |
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| 21:50.45 | rattking | hmm putting "echo $1 >>file" doesnt show my power.d script even running |
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| 21:55.17 | otyugh | hey. Do you know what to do when, launching mymble you get "warning: Unknown speex_preprocess_ctl request: 35 |
| 21:55.27 | otyugh | " and can't hear or say anything ? |
| 21:55.45 | otyugh | Seem that it's a kernel stuff missing, but I have not a single clue :/ |
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| 22:56.23 | Jasync | Heyya. Does anybody know how I can make a language setting in Linux? I have a font that does not look English though uses English words. I want to use that font to create a separate language setting for a community. |
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| 22:59.05 | fearnothing | is ssh not permitted by default? |
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| 22:59.19 | fearnothing | just span up a new box and can't ssh in |
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| 23:00.26 | danijoo | is ssh installed? |
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| 23:01.43 | fearnothing | yes |
| 23:02.09 | fearnothing | is it iptables firewall? |
| 23:02.50 | fearnothing | or ufw? |
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| 23:06.18 | darsie | acroread uses a strange font with tiny lower case letters. Am I missing a fonts package? Which should I install? MSTTF? |
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| 23:07.56 | darsie | ttf-xfree86-nonfree? |
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| 23:08.39 | fearnothing | ok, here's part of the problem |
| 23:09.01 | fearnothing | despite editing /etc/network/interfaces and configuring a static IP, I still seem to have my DHCP IP |
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| 23:09.24 | fearnothing | have done /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:09.29 | fearnothing | what else am I missing? |
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| 23:11.13 | cxd13 | there's a supersede command for dhclient |
| 23:11.51 | cxd13 | you append something to dhclient.conf but i don't recall exactly |
| 23:11.52 | teraflops | things evolve as in /etc/init.d/networking being deprecated time go |
| 23:12.14 | teraflops | since ... maybe 4 or 5 years :P |
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| 23:12.46 | teraflops | /etc/init.d/networking restart* |
| 23:13.03 | fearnothing | ok, so what's the method now? |
| 23:13.07 | darsie | ttf-mscorefonts-installer fixed the problem. |
| 23:13.28 | teraflops | ifdown iface && ifup iface |
| 23:14.02 | fearnothing | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 23:14.07 | fearnothing | RNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 23:14.12 | fearnothing | Failed to bring up eth0 |
| 23:14.17 | fearnothing | well... that didn't work so good |
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| 23:15.02 | teraflops | fearnothing: fix your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 23:16.25 | fearnothing | do I need to remove the allow-hotplug eth0 line? |
| 23:16.55 | teraflops | and kill/stop whatever dhcp* is running, and check if yore running more than one network manager, etc etc |
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| 23:18.21 | fearnothing | hmm, ps -auxww shows two dhclient entries |
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| 23:36.06 | fearnothing | ok, I think I've seriously messed up my DNS |
| 23:36.39 | fearnothing | I'm seeing requests like "NXDomain q: AAAA? mirrors.melbourne.co.uk.my.home.domain" |
| 23:36.53 | fearnothing | why is it adding my.home.domain? that's never going to get anywhere |
| 23:38.51 | fearnothing | ah, for some reason it had it as a search in resolv.conf |
| 23:38.55 | fearnothing | that's never going to work |
| 23:38.55 | aedinius | fearnothing: Do you have a domain or search set in resolv.conf ? |
| 23:38.56 | aedinius | ah |
| 23:39.08 | fearnothing | don't even know what added it in there |
| 23:39.11 | fearnothing | I certainly didn't |
| 23:39.19 | fearnothing | not explicitly at least |
| 23:40.14 | aedinius | Assigned by DNS? |
| 23:40.31 | fearnothing | possibly |
| 23:40.36 | aedinius | er |
| 23:40.36 | aedinius | DHCP |
| 23:40.43 | fearnothing | yeah that makes more sense |
| 23:40.45 | fearnothing | man I'm tired |
| 23:40.45 | aedinius | My brain is a little dead righ tnow. |
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| 23:40.55 | fearnothing | ok so |
| 23:40.57 | aedinius | Today was a stressful day, I feel ya. |
| 23:41.11 | fearnothing | been out on the drinkiepoos |
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| 23:41.17 | fearnothing | colleague got promoted |
| 23:41.51 | fearnothing | ok so now I have to figure out why my ssh stuff is getting rejected |
| 23:42.43 | aedinius | What kind of stuff? |
| 23:42.55 | aedinius | Like, connection rejected? key rejected? password rejected? |
| 23:44.02 | fearnothing | well, I have tcpdump running |
| 23:44.06 | fearnothing | on the destination |
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| 23:44.09 | fearnothing | and it sees nothing. |
| 23:44.20 | fearnothing | so I think the first one :P |
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| 23:45.21 | fearnothing | I installed ufw and added ssh to the allow list |
| 23:45.31 | fearnothing | isn't that enough? |
| 23:45.51 | fearnothing | oh, and it's enabled/running |
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| 23:53.42 | fearnothing | meh, I give up for tonight |
| 23:53.43 | fearnothing | sleep time |
| 23:53.49 | fearnothing | nn all |
| 23:55.36 | Decon | Good luck fearnothing |
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