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| 10:25.12 | hypermist | noteness, atleast you didn't once spend 4 days on trying to make a laptop that didn't like debian to work |
| 10:25.13 | hypermist | xD |
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| 10:30.09 | noteness | hypermist, what? |
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| 10:30.26 | hypermist | sorry noteness wrong tab |
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| 10:31.05 | hypermist | was meant for nohitall xD |
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| 10:31.59 | noteness | lol |
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| 10:32.30 | nohitall | hypermist: got it working now, not sure what is was though |
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| 10:32.47 | hypermist | nohitall, magicness |
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| 10:33.35 | ewew | You have two identical files and one of the dont work. |
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| 10:34.26 | nohitall | guess it was some whitespace/something error |
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| 10:35.02 | ewew | diff did not show any difference. That is what is wacky. |
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| 10:35.41 | nohitall | well it ran first latecommand now, I assume rest works too since no errors |
| 10:35.43 | nohitall | I run it now |
| 10:35.53 | nohitall | we'll see |
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| 10:38.23 | nohitall | hurray all worked |
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| 11:47.23 | fearnothing | if my IP keeps switching back to dhcp when I've set it statically in /etc/network/interfaces, what have I missed? |
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| 11:48.20 | SynrG | failure to take down the dhcp client before making the change? |
| 11:48.42 | SynrG | with the dhcp stanza in place, 'ifdown eth0' (or whatever interface it is) to do that |
| 11:49.49 | fearnothing | what if I'm trying to do this over ssh :P |
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| 11:51.31 | SynrG | better have a plan B if you lose connectivity |
| 11:51.50 | SynrG | sounds like the sort of thing that had best wait until you have physical access, just in case |
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| 11:58.11 | fearnothing | I can do it via the vm console but I try to avoid that where possible |
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| 11:58.15 | fearnothing | it's a pain in the butt |
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| 12:02.31 | leadbox | coming from mint to debian. does debian-testing installer give a "continue testing" option so that i can chroot /mnt for a custom cipher/drive setup? |
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| 12:03.10 | JohnA | How can I force a read only remount? |
| 12:03.50 | leadbox | also, systemd is new and I dont know how it will effect the above |
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| 12:09.38 | leadbox | JohnA: mount -r ??? |
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| 12:33.05 | leadbox | trying to set up debian-testing on serpent encrypted lvm and grsecurity kernel. done the serpent cipher on mint only. set it up from cli first then install |
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| 12:36.36 | JohnA | I am not sure about encrypted FSs particularly for a server which runs 7/24/365. I can see its usefulness in a mobile device, but in a server where physical access is limited ??? |
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| 12:37.28 | JyZyXEL | for physical theft and ease of disposing used storage |
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| 12:39.23 | leadbox | JohnA: the setup is for my desktop. I am sure the encryption could slow a server. I imagine grsecurity would be a good thing for a server though |
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| 12:39.31 | novdels | I just downloaded the BunsenLabs ISO from their website (torrent), and Iâm wondering whatâs next. Iâd like to create a bootable flash drive and install the operating system. |
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| 12:41.55 | leadbox | JyZyXEL: that too. could just dump the keys and no need to wipe drive |
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| 12:45.03 | JyZyXEL | also if you live in a country where dissidents are executed, you might consider encryption important |
| 12:45.17 | JohnA | JyZyXEL: that why I said it not a bad idea for a portable device. But not a server. Particularly a server that SHOULD do things like auto restart on PF, etc. |
| 12:45.47 | novdels | no ideas? |
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| 12:46.16 | JyZyXEL | for that you need to set up something to get the key during startup |
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| 12:48.23 | leadbox | novdels: i say this knowing nothing of bunsen.... |
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| 12:50.42 | JohnA | JyZyXEL: If you live in such a country then my advice would be to try and host outside it. But I am not sure that an encrypted FS will help, after all if death is the penalty for dissent then torture will be the tools to recover encrypted data? In such a case then it is best "to whisper such secrets to no one, to write them nowhere"! |
| 12:53.43 | leadbox | i am guessing you are talking about countries that ban encryption since I had a blip in my connection and had to reconnect. If you live in a country than bans encryption then you should change that or move. Geriatric politicians dont get it |
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| 12:58.27 | leadbox | does debian using systemd mean it does not use initramfs anymore ? |
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| 12:58.35 | SynrG | unrelated |
| 12:59.01 | JohnA | leadbox: Countries where the penalty for dissent is death, usually control who may come and go, and leaving may (will) make you a target!! |
| 13:00.00 | leadbox | SynrG: so debian uses intiramfs or mkinitcpio ? |
| 13:00.14 | SynrG | initramfs-tools |
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| 13:00.45 | JohnA | Back to my real problem! how do I ensure that my server will restart when power is restored. |
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| 13:02.30 | SynrG | JohnA: i discovered my work system, which is on UPS, has a BIOS setting for disposition of power after power is restored. so it's not just a matter of telling the UPS to restore power, but the BIOS realizing it should poewr up |
| 13:02.40 | SynrG | power* |
| 13:02.54 | SynrG | once i fixed that, it solved that issue |
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| 13:12.54 | JohnA | SynrG: That part of it I got setup, set the BIOS to "always on", I might go back to "last state". That's not the problem. If I cut the power the system waits until UPS is almost exhausted and starts to shutdown. However I don't want it to power off, so I changed the halt default from "poweroff" to "halt". so far so good! |
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| 13:15.24 | JohnA | SynrG: the problem is that the system is still powering off, rather than the UPS killing the power so that the BIOS options work for the restart!! I have a feeling that systemd has changed something but I cannot find what? |
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| 13:26.11 | JohnA | SynrG: second problem that I am finding if the UPS is powered down it does not respond to the power being restored. |
| 13:27.34 | JohnA | SynrG: I tried telling it to hibernate and that seems to solve the problem, now all I have to do is work out where to issue the hibernate instraction? |
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| 13:34.40 | hargut | Hello. |
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| 13:35.41 | hargut | I've just installed a fresh testing on my laptop and want to see the systemd messages, service startup log during boot. When I apply quiet to the kernel cmd-line, I don't have any information on the screen until the login appears. |
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| 13:36.09 | hargut | Which kernel argument does turn off the "dmesg" part, or extensive kernel logs, but keeps systemd messages? |
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| 13:39.16 | hargut | loglevel=3 does what I was looking for. |
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| 13:42.52 | JohnA | I think I know what the problem is Systemd uses systemd-poweroff.service to kill the power, some how I have to get systemd/apcupsd to co-operate in hibernating and sending the hibernate command command to the ups and then waiting for the power to die. Simple eh!! |
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| 14:06.12 | g00se | Yep, that's exactly the sort of thing that systemd promises to make simple ;) |
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| 14:09.50 | ktwo | Hi, if i download some program which is not available via the packet manager, where is it put usually? So all users can access it |
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| 14:12.44 | allizom | ktwo: is it a .deb? these should end up in /opt if they follow conventions |
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| 14:13.48 | ktwo | nah, its a nonpackaged program (java), i could run it from home, but where is the usual way to put it? |
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| 14:15.21 | ktwo | linux folder structure is still a puzzle for me, why not one folder named "programs" xD |
| 14:17.52 | derstrom | ktwo: You'll get familiar with the differences eventually. Most binaries are located in /usr/bin. |
| 14:18.06 | Gaardon | Yep |
| 14:18.38 | ktwo | so i could just make a folder /usr/java and copy it there |
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| 14:20.04 | allizom | ktwo: you could read https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apcs02.html.en if you want to understand how this is set up, or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 14:21.56 | ktwo | thanks for the links , ill read them |
| 14:22.55 | derstrom | ktwo: On a related note, if you can't find something, under Debian-based distributions (don't know about others), you can use "locate" to try and find what you're looking for. Just execute "updatedb" before doing a locate so the cache is up to date. E.g, updatedb && locate php.ini. |
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| 14:23.14 | derstrom | allizom: Interesting read, thanks. |
| 14:23.56 | allizom | just the installation manual ;) |
| 14:23.57 | LordShadowWing | http://www.g10code.com/p-card.html |
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| 14:24.58 | derstrom | allizom: It's good. |
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| 14:52.16 | anelito | hello guys |
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| 14:52.28 | anelito | I need help with debian apt-get source list |
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| 14:52.39 | anelito | how to include php updates? |
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| 14:52.59 | anelito | at the moment my sources.list is: |
| 14:53.00 | anelito | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 14:53.00 | anelito | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 14:53.00 | anelito | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 14:53.00 | anelito | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 14:53.00 | anelito | # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
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| 14:53.26 | anelito | back again |
| 14:53.36 | srvk | use the paste site :) |
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| 14:53.57 | derstrom | php5 is included in the default repositories. When an update is made available, the update will be put in the repositories by the Debian team. |
| 14:54.38 | derstrom | There's nothing else you need to do, in other words. Just check for updates regularly. |
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| 14:57.19 | nauders | in theory running a second xserver (on a second sreen) schouldn't be a problem right? |
| 14:57.45 | joobus | Iceweasel aurora is now breaking plugins, fyi. Vimperator doesn't work with v43. |
| 14:57.59 | joobus | time to find a new browser |
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| 14:58.22 | nauders | joobus xombrero :) |
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| 14:59.57 | joobus | looks pretty cool :) is there a deb package for it? |
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| 15:00.49 | joobus | looks kinda inactive though too |
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| 15:01.29 | nauders | joobus: yep there is. i recently came across it after i got frustrated with firefox |
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| 15:02.47 | derstrom | joobus: its in the debian repos |
| 15:03.16 | derstrom | just tried it. and they don't exaggerate when they say "minimalist" ;-) |
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| 15:04.17 | joobus | yeah, just pulled it up too |
| 15:04.30 | joobus | no crtl+[ escape though. boo! |
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| 15:05.04 | nauders | joobus: don't use the default configs :) |
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| 15:07.12 | joobus | do you know if it runs on mac too? |
| 15:07.13 | nauders | when it comes to configs they arn't minimalistc at all |
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| 15:07.51 | nauders | i think so |
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| 15:10.42 | hello_ | hi |
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| 15:13.20 | joobus | looks like i get to write a new config file. yay! |
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| 15:15.27 | LordShadowWing | joobus: config for? |
| 15:16.06 | hello_ | question |
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| 15:16.52 | hello_ | I run this command for reverse SSH: ssh -fN -R 2345:localhost:22 dave@85.190.177.111 |
| 15:16.59 | hello_ | it works when I run this on 85.190.177.111 shell: ssh root@localhost -p 2345 |
| 15:17.09 | hello_ | Question: why it doesn't work when I try to ssh directly from PuTTY 85.190.177.111:2345 ?? |
| 15:17.34 | joobus | xombrero |
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| 15:23.41 | hello_ | ? |
| 15:26.39 | LordShadowWing | Hello, hello_ |
| 15:27.06 | hello_ | hi |
| 15:27.25 | LordShadowWing | What's your issue |
| 15:27.46 | LordShadowWing | nvm, i read back |
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| 15:28.24 | hello_ | just wonder why cannot directly access through putty |
| 15:28.32 | LordShadowWing | I have no clue, hello_, try #bash |
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| 15:52.56 | PolarbearIbiza | Hey Dudes, asked this on #linux but maybe here could someone help me - i installed debian 8.2 nativ on a pc and setup dnsmasq, the pc has 2 NIC's so eth0 is configured to get an ip from network a (10.x.x.x class a net) - on eth1 i set up a static ip (10.0.0.1) and configure dnsmasq to provide DHCP service on eth1 (also class a net - 10.x.x.x) everything is working fine - but when i installed debian as an esxi guest - the clients didn't receive the DH |
| 15:52.56 | PolarbearIbiza | CPOFFER from the DHCP server - daemon.log showing hundreds of DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER pairs, but no DHCPREQUEST nor DHCPACK. but when i shortly ifdown eth0 and directly ifup eth0 everything is working as expected. Could somebody explain me why this behavior is just on an ESXi guest system? Thanks |
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| 15:56.39 | veek | what pkg has the kernel debug symbols for the stock jessie kernel |
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| 15:57.43 | PolarbearIbiza | veek, asking me? |
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| 15:57.58 | PolarbearIbiza | veek, sorry ;D ignore my message |
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| 16:18.07 | ewew | Hello. Will the be a rewrite of debian security manual ? |
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| 16:24.14 | Atix | hello |
| 16:24.34 | Atix | is debian great for home desktop ? |
| 16:26.15 | somiaj | Atix: I have used it for 12+ years as my desktop and have no desire to swtich. But what is great for you is subjective. What are you wanting out of a home dekstop? |
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| 16:27.30 | Atix | i want it to be STABLE and log term supported and i want it to contain a lot of programs |
| 16:27.39 | Atix | i mean in the repositories |
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| 16:28.20 | ewew | Atix It has only older version but not much. |
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| 16:29.08 | epsilon | desktop environments will change with the time, you way switch between kde|gnome|xfce... but the programs will run everywhere |
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| 16:34.28 | felixr | Hi there, i am having trouble unsubscribing from debian mailing lists. i get : Sorry, but this address has NOT been found on the list. |
| 16:34.31 | felixr | what to do ? |
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| 16:43.08 | aphorise | How do I enforce openssh / sshd to use dsa intead of rsa? - I noticed adjusting the conf & restarting is not taking effect after a restart. |
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| 16:44.34 | aphorise | oh found it :-) |
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| 16:53.50 | felixr | solved ! nvm |
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| 17:03.04 | zh1 | i think i messed a bit my debian, how can i remove all packages and put them all back again? im with xfce |
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| 17:08.05 | Chocolate_Chip | I changed my hostname and now sudo giesme this error: |
| 17:08.07 | Chocolate_Chip | sudo: unable to resolve host CHOCO-PC |
| 17:08.28 | Chocolate_Chip | is this a concern? How do I stop this |
| 17:08.47 | Chocolate_Chip | It still executes the command |
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| 17:11.27 | phale | in /etc/hosts is it possible to set one IP to another? |
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| 17:13.03 | Chocolate_Chip | phale, i'll check |
| 17:13.44 | Chocolate_Chip | Yep. It lists 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.1 debian |
| 17:13.45 | TheWarden | Hello, does the gnome-screensaver package provide a GUI interface to change the settings? I installed it but I don't see it in applications. I see there is a gnome-screensaver-command in the terminal. |
| 17:13.58 | phale | Chocolate_Chip: alright cool |
| 17:14.00 | Chocolate_Chip | changed |
| 17:14.47 | TheWarden | I use to use XScreenSaver but was under the understanding that gnome-screensaver is a better choice and best for integration with gnome. |
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| 17:15.43 | phale | Chocolate_Chip: how come "127.0.0.1 198.57.47.122" doesnt work? when I ping 198.57.47.122 it doesnt give me 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:16.34 | Chocolate_Chip | Huh? |
| 17:16.39 | Chocolate_Chip | It didn't give me that |
| 17:16.43 | phale | weird |
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| 17:16.50 | Chocolate_Chip | My local IP is 192.168.1.8 anyway |
| 17:16.53 | frostschutz | phale, there is no name lookup for ips |
| 17:16.55 | Chocolate_Chip | Do you have it static IP'd? |
| 17:17.02 | phale | no |
| 17:17.14 | phale | frostschutz: oh |
| 17:17.18 | phale | what can I do then? |
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| 17:19.43 | phale | I made a server and am trying to make it so that connecting to 198.57.47.122 would mean connecting to 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:19.44 | frostschutz | phale, what do you want to do in the first place? |
| 17:20.03 | phale | Since i'm making some sort of reverse proxy, |
| 17:20.36 | frostschutz | phale, well, you'd achieve that by adding the ip to your local interface but most likely it's not what you really want |
| 17:20.46 | phale | Probably not |
| 17:21.18 | phale | It would also probably cause problems, since the server connects to 198.57.47.122 |
| 17:21.28 | phale | and then receives the buffer and sends it to the client |
| 17:21.31 | phale | and vice versa |
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| 17:25.05 | phale | so what can I do? |
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| 17:26.35 | TheWarden | so odd that I don't have something in xorg that allows me to adjust the screen saver settings. I installed gnome-screensaver and nothing. I installed xscreensaver and nothing. argh. |
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| 17:29.04 | TheWarden | so frustrating. no luck with this. maybe its a sign I should just not use xorg. still have not been able to get a second monitor to work either. |
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| 17:35.31 | TheWarden | So is there a way to configure and set the screen saver in Gnome? Thus far I'm not finding anything online searching. I have gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver installed but I don't see a thing in gnome. |
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| 17:36.25 | TheWarden | I see gnome-screensaver-command and xscreensaver in the terminal. However gnome-screensaver-command just lets me turn it on and nothing more. xscreensaver does load up with a GUI but nothing works. Screen savers are not installed for some reason. |
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| 17:46.25 | cheako | Gnome locks up on resume for a period of about 5min. Switing VT works and it looks like gnome-shell is cpu bound. |
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| 17:47.38 | cheako | I did smart offline data collection on the 12gb ssd and this tool about 45min and logged no errors and all the smart counters look good. |
| 17:47.45 | cheako | 128gb |
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| 17:52.02 | crush26 | can anyone tell me what is wrong with the following window id? I am trying to "xterm -into 140697578788096" |
| 17:52.02 | crush26 | crush26 |
| 17:52.02 | crush26 | I am getting "xterm: invalid window-id 140697578788096" |
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| 18:04.50 | ewew | check .xsession-errors and dmesg |
| 18:05.26 | somiaj | crush26: what makes you think that window id is valid in the first place? |
| 18:05.51 | g00se1 | Looks like a very big number too |
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| 18:06.57 | crush26 | somiaj: xterm -into 140697578788096 works for me in Debian, however when the same command run in OSX, I get the invalid window id |
| 18:07.01 | cheako | dmsg is empty and there is no .{x,X}session-errors. |
| 18:07.35 | crush26 | I am thinking xterm behaves differently in OSX |
| 18:07.38 | somiaj | window id's aren't going to be the same from one system to another. Also I'm not familar with osX, so if the issue is with osX you are asking in the wrong place |
| 18:07.59 | somiaj | again, seems you need to ensure the window id exists and that the applications is running and supports you putting xterm into it |
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| 18:08.44 | cheako | crush26: X works differently in OSX, it's not a real x11 setup... more like running x11 on windows. |
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| 18:09.40 | crush26 | somiaj: yeah sorry, this prob is the wrong place to ask. |
| 18:09.44 | crush26 | somiaj: ty |
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| 18:15.53 | cheako | How to debug system lockups? |
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| 18:16.18 | ewew | cheako Are you using debian ? |
| 18:16.45 | somiaj | cheako: is it xorg that is locking up or your whole system? |
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| 18:17.05 | cheako | Gnome locks up on resume for a period of about 5min. Switing VT works and it looks like gnome-shell is cpu bound. |
| 18:17.20 | cheako | it is debian |
| 18:17.57 | ewew | cheako Check logs in /var/log |
| 18:18.34 | somiaj | cheako: so it isn't a the system that is locked up it is gnome/xorg. That is good to know. Check logs, maybe check your resume log or check your Xorg.0.log |
| 18:18.41 | somiaj | or .xsession-errors in $HOME |
| 18:19.19 | cheako | Oct 3 12:45:33 debian gnome-session[1504]: (gnome-shell:18520): mutter-WARNING **: STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE: window 0x5701200015 not in stack |
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| 18:19.53 | somiaj | I usually ask google about log errors and see what is out there |
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| 18:42.24 | optraz | how to find version mismatch between i386 and amd64 that is currently installed in system? |
| 18:43.19 | ewew | optraz Details missing. Can you add more details ? |
| 18:43.36 | ewew | Or what are trying to do ? |
| 18:43.59 | optraz | ewew: installing skype, dependencies not solved |
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| 18:44.10 | optraz | i remembered this was cuase by even tiny version that is missmatch |
| 18:44.15 | optraz | but i dont remember the package name |
| 18:44.18 | no_gravity | I wonder if my desktop has any bluetooth capability. How would I check that? |
| 18:44.56 | ewew | optraz Please stand-by. Searching for details. |
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| 18:46.26 | ewew | Using debian 7 or debian 8 ? |
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| 18:47.29 | optraz | ewew: unstable |
| 18:47.32 | optraz | sid |
| 18:48.03 | ewew | on skype website is version only for debian 7. I dont know if this is possible to do. |
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| 18:49.27 | ewew | optraz https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 18:49.28 | optraz | ewew: just answer how to get the package mismatch version ? |
| 18:49.35 | optraz | ewew: yes, i had that and read that before |
| 18:51.54 | squinty | optraz, As per the /topic for this channel questions for testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 18:52.48 | optraz | ok |
| 18:53.42 | no_gravity | How do I get a bluetooth keyboard to work with Debian? Anybody? |
| 18:53.59 | ewew | no_gravity Did you try google first ? |
| 18:54.25 | no_gravity | ewew: yes. it made me install gnome-bluetooth |
| 18:55.07 | no_gravity | ewew: and then the internet says "try to pair on your bluetooth device. a magic popup will appear on screen". but how do i try to pair? |
| 18:56.02 | squinty | no_gravity, check your computers specs (ie documentation or manufacturers site) to see if it supports bluetooth |
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| 18:56.11 | no_gravity | schquid: |
| 18:56.20 | no_gravity | squinty: it supports bluetooth |
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| 18:57.30 | no_gravity | is there a bluetooth tool somewhere or something? |
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| 18:58.17 | ewew | no_gravity You can try CLI. |
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| 18:58.41 | squinty | there is a Bluetooth entry in System Settings (in Gnome anyways) |
| 18:58.46 | ewew | Can you post type of your bluetooth keyboard ? |
| 18:58.58 | no_gravity | ewew: http://www.1byone.co.uk/Accessories/Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard/O0000-0713 |
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| 19:00.55 | no_gravity | the debian docs say to "select your computer on your bluetooth device". what on earth do they mean with that? |
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| 19:01.17 | ewew | Did you read the text on third picture ? |
| 19:01.44 | no_gravity | ewew: yes. when i press fn+c the blue led starts blinking |
| 19:01.53 | no_gravity | ewew: but nothing happens on my laptop |
| 19:02.13 | ewew | no_gravity Do you have bluetooth enabled on laptop ? |
| 19:02.22 | Guest75446 | hi |
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| 19:02.33 | no_gravity | ewew: i dont know |
| 19:02.50 | Guest75446 | how can change partition permissions root to me? |
| 19:03.02 | no_gravity | ewew: i dont see anything related to bluetooth on the laptop |
| 19:03.27 | ewew | no_gravity Run this command in terminal hcitool dev. |
| 19:03.58 | no_gravity | ewew: that gives me a mac address or something |
| 19:04.17 | squinty | sudo service bluetooth status |
| 19:04.49 | no_gravity | squinty: that says its running and tells me a process id. |
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| 19:05.13 | ewew | hcitool scan |
| 19:05.21 | no_gravity | Scanning ... |
| 19:05.24 | Guest75446 | i create one partitiion with gparted and is root, i can't create one folder in partition |
| 19:05.44 | no_gravity | ewew: it found the keyboard |
| 19:06.15 | no_gravity | Guest75446: what does "whoami" output? |
| 19:06.47 | no_gravity | ewew: but how do i pair? |
| 19:06.51 | ewew | sudo hidd --connect <here the mac address of the keyboard> |
| 19:06.51 | ewew | It is the numbers from hcitool scan. |
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| 19:07.36 | Guest75446 | output: username |
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| 19:08.24 | no_gravity | Guest75446: become root first. then change permissions on the directory where username should have the right to make subdirectories. |
| 19:09.02 | ewew | no_gravity https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 19:09.23 | no_gravity | ewew: hidd is in "bluez-compat" and debian.org says "This package provides the legacy binaries that were reminiscent of the BlueZ 3.x pairing methods. These binaries are not supported, and will go away again in the future." should i install it anyway? |
| 19:09.36 | no_gravity | ewew: thats the page im on the whole time. |
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| 19:10.53 | ewew | It looks like you did not read it properly. |
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| 19:11.12 | no_gravity | there is also bluez-utils |
| 19:11.17 | no_gravity | not sure which is the right one |
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| 19:12.40 | ewew | Dont know. I dont use bluetooth. |
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| 19:13.28 | no_gravity | ok... will try bluetooth-compat |
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| 19:15.14 | ewew | Why use bluetooth for connecting keyboard ? |
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| 19:15.32 | Guest75446 | with sudo -i now, with whoami output:root, but againt cant not change partition permissions, is gray |
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| 19:16.01 | lawyer | Is Debian Free Software? |
| 19:17.39 | no_gravity | ewew: now hcitool scan does not return anything anymore. |
| 19:18.40 | ewew | restart |
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| 19:19.55 | no_gravity | googling more i get the feeling that "blueman" is the package i want |
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| 19:26.08 | no_gravity | i have the feeling that bluetooth-compat thing made things go south |
| 19:30.31 | no_gravity | is there a way to undo it? |
| 19:30.52 | ewew | uninstall the package and restart. |
| 19:31.00 | no_gravity | purge? |
| 19:31.39 | ewew | it will remove config. |
| 19:31.46 | no_gravity | good |
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| 19:32.29 | no_gravity | my ipad can see the keyboard all the time |
| 19:32.37 | no_gravity | my debian machine now cant |
| 19:32.41 | no_gravity | even after reboot |
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| 19:33.05 | no_gravity | "hcitool scan" always comes back empty |
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| 19:33.28 | ewew | try turn off and on and then press the pairing combination. |
| 19:33.35 | no_gravity | i tried |
| 19:33.48 | no_gravity | maybe the "hidd --connect" fucked something up? |
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| 19:34.03 | no_gravity | because before that the scan returned the mac of the keyboard. |
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| 19:34.26 | no_gravity | the laptop can also not see my ipad |
| 19:34.35 | no_gravity | looks like it can see *nothing* anymore. |
| 19:34.47 | ewew | hcitool dev |
| 19:34.58 | no_gravity | that shows me the bluetooth interface |
| 19:35.03 | no_gravity | with the mac address |
| 19:35.15 | ewew | sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart |
| 19:35.34 | no_gravity | ok |
| 19:35.35 | no_gravity | did that |
| 19:35.43 | no_gravity | now scan? |
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| 19:35.54 | ewew | try.\ |
| 19:36.08 | ewew | sorry |
| 19:36.08 | ewew | try it. |
| 19:36.19 | no_gravity | returns nothing |
| 19:37.01 | ewew | turn off and on bluetooth on laptop. |
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| 19:37.15 | no_gravity | the laptop has not bluetooth button |
| 19:37.26 | ewew | Fn keys ? |
| 19:37.38 | no_gravity | yes, but no bluetooth keys |
| 19:37.38 | ErikDrakken | no_gravity: Some laptops turn bluetooth off and on with the wireless toggle switch. |
| 19:37.49 | ewew | do it. |
| 19:38.01 | no_gravity | ok... |
| 19:38.58 | no_gravity | well, it indeed turns of bluetooth. |
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| 19:39.12 | no_gravity | because then "hcitool scan" says "device not available" |
| 19:39.41 | no_gravity | but after turning it on again, it still finds nothing. |
| 19:39.59 | ewew | The keyboard send some keys to laptop ? |
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| 19:40.10 | no_gravity | what do you mean? |
| 19:40.17 | no_gravity | i never paired it |
| 19:40.29 | no_gravity | i can pair it with my ipad, then it works. |
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| 19:41.33 | ewew | hcitool con |
| 19:42.03 | no_gravity | ewew: it says "Connections:" and nothing more |
| 19:42.24 | teraflops | no_gravity: are you in jessie? |
| 19:42.53 | no_gravity | teraflops: what is that? |
| 19:43.04 | no_gravity | i never can remember those funny names |
| 19:43.11 | ewew | debian 7 or 8 ? |
| 19:43.16 | no_gravity | 7 |
| 19:43.25 | teraflops | :S |
| 19:44.20 | ewew | Wait if have it paired with other device then it will be hidden ? |
| 19:44.30 | no_gravity | i unpaired again |
| 19:45.16 | ewew | no_gravity It looks like those keyboard dont have smart bluetooth. |
| 19:45.47 | no_gravity | smart bluetooth? |
| 19:46.22 | ewew | It like when you setup a phone bluetooth. Here you can only pair it. |
| 19:46.57 | no_gravity | i have the feeling that "hidd --connect" command changed something. |
| 19:48.12 | ewew | Purge the bluez package/ |
| 19:48.17 | no_gravity | i did |
| 19:49.36 | ewew | what mac address did you type in ? |
| 19:49.56 | no_gravity | ewew: the one of the keyboad i guess |
| 19:50.10 | ewew | hidd --show |
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| 19:50.30 | no_gravity | i have an ubuntu partition on the laptop (it came with it) |
| 19:50.40 | no_gravity | booted into that, and it finds the keyboard right away. |
| 19:50.53 | no_gravity | so its not a hardware issue i guess |
| 19:51.32 | ewew | Like i said i dont use bluetooth. Lets try it again. |
| 19:51.41 | no_gravity | yay, it also pairs and works. |
| 19:51.46 | no_gravity | ok.. booting back into debian... |
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| 19:52.20 | teraflops | no_gravity: if youre under X try blueman, if in gnome use the built in stuff it has I suppose, in jessie is so easy from cmmand line since there is bluetoothctl |
| 19:52.45 | no_gravity | teraflops: in between, i installed blueman. it also finds nothing. then i deinstalled it again. |
| 19:53.19 | ewew | Maybe we missed something that is important. |
| 19:53.28 | no_gravity | ewew: hidd --show comes back empty |
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| 19:53.36 | teraflops | no_gravity: then check that the keyb is in pairing mode, if yes, blame the bt chip on your laptop |
| 19:53.46 | ewew | is the keyboard on and visible ? |
| 19:53.55 | no_gravity | teraflops: it works under ubuntu, so i guess its not a hardware prob |
| 19:54.08 | no_gravity | ewew: sure. ubuntu can pair. my ipad can pair. |
| 19:54.10 | teraflops | ah, good information |
| 19:54.25 | ewew | manufactures often do not follow specification. |
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| 19:54.45 | teraflops | no_gravity: ubuntu is jessie/sid and youre in wheezy, why? |
| 19:54.50 | no_gravity | woah! hcitool --scan found it again! |
| 19:55.04 | no_gravity | teraflops: i have no idea. i just downloaded debian 7 at one point. |
| 19:55.05 | ewew | Maybe debian is doing something that the blue chip does not comprehend. |
| 19:55.18 | no_gravity | so how should i pair now? |
| 19:55.29 | no_gravity | hidd --connect again? |
| 19:55.34 | no_gravity | or install blueman again? |
| 19:55.36 | ewew | stand-by |
| 19:55.49 | no_gravity | i tend to install blueman again |
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| 19:57.07 | ewew | try this first hidd --search |
| 19:57.42 | no_gravity | ewew: searching ... |
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| 19:58.34 | no_gravity | "Connecting to device ..." |
| 19:58.38 | no_gravity | what was that? |
| 19:58.41 | ewew | What gui are you using ? Gnome, kde or other. |
| 19:58.45 | no_gravity | gnome |
| 20:00.10 | ewew | Whats the status ? |
| 20:00.29 | no_gravity | i tried bluez-simple-agent, but it gave me some weird output |
| 20:00.53 | no_gravity | installing blueman again |
| 20:02.24 | no_gravity | now blueman says to enter pincode but shows me no pincode |
| 20:02.29 | no_gravity | same as bluez-simple-agent |
| 20:02.43 | no_gravity | rebooting... |
| 20:02.43 | ErikDrakken | no_gravity: Usually it's 0000 or 1111 as default for a device. Try zeroes first. |
| 20:02.58 | no_gravity | really? ubuntu and the ipad had some random number. |
| 20:03.13 | ewew | on the label of keyboard |
| 20:03.35 | no_gravity | rebooted... |
| 20:03.44 | no_gravity | keyboard is still found :) |
| 20:04.41 | no_gravity | this time i used the "setup assistant for this device" in blueman |
| 20:04.44 | no_gravity | AND IT WORKS! |
| 20:04.45 | no_gravity | :) |
| 20:05.16 | no_gravity | now it dont work :( |
| 20:05.31 | no_gravity | now it works :) |
| 20:06.44 | ewew | Do you know steps to make it work ? |
| 20:06.53 | no_gravity | i think so |
| 20:07.03 | no_gravity | now it does not work again |
| 20:07.13 | no_gravity | it seems to hand at random intervals |
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| 20:08.16 | ewew | you mean hang ? |
| 20:08.36 | no_gravity | well, suddenly no keystrokes will be transmitted |
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| 20:08.55 | ewew | Any other Wifi source ? |
| 20:09.15 | no_gravity | wif= |
| 20:09.18 | no_gravity | wifi? |
| 20:09.31 | ewew | may be radio interference or power saving in keyboard. |
| 20:09.50 | no_gravity | hard to say |
| 20:10.20 | no_gravity | it hangs and then suddenly BOOM it comes back |
| 20:10.30 | no_gravity | spitting out all keystrokes i typed in between at once. |
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| 20:10.53 | no_gravity | special keys seem to all act weird |
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| 20:11.25 | TheWarden | How does one set the audio level in Xorg using Gnome3 to default at a certain level? Presently each time I login the volume is set to 0db. |
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| 20:12.13 | teraflops | no_gravity: or the driver/fw are not good enough ... |
| 20:12.34 | no_gravity | ah... it looks like function keys ares omehow mapped so that they act as if the fn key is pressed |
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| 20:13.20 | no_gravity | teraflops: is there a way to check it? |
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| 20:14.38 | teraflops | Hmmm. Maybe checking dmesg |
| 20:14.44 | ewew | no_gravity Try it in Ubuntu if it behaves normally. |
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| 20:14.56 | no_gravity | ok... |
| 20:15.21 | gentwo | how do i add a normal user ? |
| 20:15.32 | teraflops | no_gravity: better try debian 8 instead of debian 7 ;) |
| 20:15.55 | ewew | gentwo https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_an_extra_user_account |
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| 20:17.21 | gentwo | ewew: does user creates home directory too? i am on server not on a desktop setup |
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| 20:17.50 | ewew | yes. look at man page adduser. |
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| 20:18.36 | no_gravity | ha, now ubuntu can't find the keyboard. maybe this keyboard is a piece of junk? |
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| 20:20.07 | ewew | I looks like it behaves as the manufacturer intended. The device shows and pairs with first device it sees. This is written in the bluetooth page. |
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| 20:21.03 | no_gravity | what? |
| 20:21.27 | ewew | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser#Pairing |
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| 20:23.03 | no_gravity | got it working under ubuntu again |
| 20:23.13 | no_gravity | now lets see if it has dropouts... |
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| 20:25.39 | no_gravity | it's ubuntu 14.04 by the way |
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| 20:26.37 | ewew | Is there any missing keystrokes ? |
| 20:26.46 | no_gravity | so far all is fne |
| 20:26.48 | no_gravity | fine |
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| 20:27.52 | no_gravity | looksl like no probs under ubuntu |
| 20:28.01 | no_gravity | is there a way to see which driver ubuntu uses? |
| 20:28.22 | ewew | Dont know. I only use debian. |
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| 20:28.33 | no_gravity | well, how do you check under debian? |
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| 20:29.08 | ewew | i dont have bluetooth on my PC. As like i said i dont use bluetooth. |
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| 20:31.20 | Halma | hello all |
| 20:31.42 | Halma | can someone tell me how i can add a color theme for Kate under XFCE in debian ? |
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| 20:33.58 | no_gravity | ah, now ubuntu also has stopped getting keys from the keyboard |
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| 20:34.23 | ewew | Try it with ipad. |
| 20:34.26 | no_gravity | yup |
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| 20:35.00 | ewew | Wifi and bluetooth share frequency. |
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| 20:45.32 | ewew | Is there a reason that localhost:631 overwrites configuration done by hand ? |
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| 20:51.55 | no_gravity | ewew: what do you mean? |
| 20:52.39 | ewew | it is printing CUPS. |
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| 20:55.33 | ewew | no_gravity How the keyboard work with ipad ? |
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| 20:56.17 | no_gravity | so far no dropouts |
| 20:56.25 | no_gravity | it even wakes the ipad up again when it sleeps |
| 20:56.46 | no_gravity | only strange thing: it does not accept the # key |
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| 20:59.29 | no_gravity | still every keystroke goes through |
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| 21:01.08 | ewew | dont know then. i am going offline |
| 21:01.26 | no_gravity | good night |
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| 21:15.00 | tworkin | whats the best way to duplicate data across 3 drives for recovery incase of 1 dead drive? does LVM handle this or do i need to set it up under/over it? |
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| 21:15.33 | dvs | raid? |
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| 21:24.55 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:25.01 | Azrael_- | can you give me a hint how i could minimize images with smush.it from command line? tried finding some command line tools which use the website in the background but all of them seem outdated and don't work any more. |
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| 21:30.35 | TenchiMasaki | Hey all. I had a question for anyone. I was attempting to usb boot kali live, any ideas on how? |
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| 21:31.45 | TenchiMasaki | Using UEFI, it simply does not work even after getting the grubx64.efi and bootx64.efi, also attempted to make the grub.cfg any ideas? using a sandisk 32GB device and Kali 2.0.amd64 on windows 10x 64 bit. |
| 21:34.24 | TenchiMasaki | "/msg dpkg guildlines" |
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| 21:54.39 | black_13 | second question i get an error "fatal error: bits/c++config.h" |
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| 21:58.55 | charliegreen | Hello! I'm having some troubles with X and I was hoping maybe someone here could help |
| 21:59.32 | charliegreen | On boot, I just get a console, though gdm3 is active and running |
| 22:00.45 | charliegreen | If I run startx, it just shuts back down |
| 22:01.20 | charliegreen | I mean, it'll launch something, but it quits after a few seconds |
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| 22:23.16 | tekzilla | hi, on testing with KDE Framework 5, konqueror is no longer a normal file browser ? |
| 22:24.39 | tekzilla | it starts up with the "File Replace View" which doesn't really seem to do anything on this end |
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| 22:28.35 | squinty | tekzilla, as per the channel topic (/topic) testing enquires are to be asked on testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 22:29.03 | tekzilla | squinty: oh ok, thanks, will do |
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| 22:47.56 | jhutchins_wk | ChanServ: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:49.24 | jhutchins_wk | squinty: Actually, that's just because more of the people there run testing/unstable. People are welcome to ask here. |
| 22:49.43 | jhutchins_wk | squinty: Last time I logged that channel was dead for hours. |
| 22:50.19 | gryf | hey there. Wanted to learn a bit about alsa ; I'm using a very slow computer and pulseaudio is too heavy for me. So it kiiiiiind of work. But what is weird is that alsa can only "play" the sound of one software at once |
| 22:50.27 | gryf | is that expected behaviour ? |
| 22:50.41 | gryf | (I guess it's not :p) |
| 22:50.46 | jhutchins_wk | gryf: Yep, whole point of p-a. |
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| 22:51.09 | gryf | you mean, before pulseaudio, there were only one sound playing at a time ? |
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| 22:51.41 | jhutchins_wk | gryf: Right, because the program opens /dev/dsp for write, which locks it. |
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| 22:53.49 | gryf | jhutchins_wk: seems that alsa support simultaneous sound, it's just isn't enabled by default because sometimes hardware does not support it |
| 22:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | gryf: There are exceptions, but p-a is meant to make it controlable. |
| 22:54.00 | jhutchins_wk | gryf: Right. |
| 22:54.19 | jhutchins_wk | gryf: p-a doesn't require that the hardware support it. |
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| 22:54.42 | gryf | yeah PA is a good solution for strong desktop PC |
| 22:55.01 | gryf | On small arm desktop as mine, it's not ideal at all. Not with the A20 yet :x |
| 22:55.19 | gryf | might be one day |
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| 23:26.06 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 23:28.24 | marioxcc | I am currently running Debian 7; it is installed on top of LVM which has lots of spare space in the volume group. I would like to install Debian 8 by first installing it in a virtual machine, then making a new logical volume and format it, and then copy all files from the virtual machine to the real machine. Apart from modifying the /etc/fstab of the new installation, what should I modify so that this will work? |
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| 23:40.22 | RoyK | marioxcc: I would guess upgrading directly would be easier |
| 23:40.52 | RoyK | !upgrade |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>. |
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| 23:41.20 | arahael | marioxcc: Consider making a backup first rather than making the upgrade process more complicated. |
| 23:41.25 | arahael | marioxcc: You should have backups anyway. |
| 23:41.35 | marioxcc | RoyK: I know that Debian is designed for that, but I want a new installation, to discard garbage and hidden status. |
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| 23:42.07 | RoyK | arahael: making a backup should be implicit |
| 23:42.07 | marioxcc | arahael: Yes, I have a backup; thanks for the reminder. I have to update it. |
| 23:42.35 | arahael | marioxcc: If you need a reminder, the backup system has failed. |
| 23:42.36 | marioxcc | However, that doesn't answers my question, which is, what should I modify after copying files so that it will work, apart from /etc/fstab |
| 23:42.40 | arahael | marioxcc: Consider automating it. |
| 23:43.08 | marioxcc | what software do you suggest for that? |
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| 23:44.15 | arahael | Well, I personally use obnam, but these aren't my work systems and if they're down, I just reinstall debian. Consequentially I only backup my ~/ |
| 23:44.29 | marioxcc | ok |
| 23:44.36 | marioxcc | have you used bup? |
| 23:44.44 | RoyK | marioxcc: if you have a single partition with the system, you can reduce it somehow, but I wouldn't recommend it - just upgrade it |
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| 23:45.02 | RoyK | or reinstall |
| 23:45.12 | arahael | marioxcc: bup doesn't make me feel confident. |
| 23:45.14 | marioxcc | RoyK: I have plenty of free space, no need to reduce it. :) |
| 23:45.30 | marioxcc | arahael: Please elaborate. |
| 23:45.42 | RoyK | marioxcc: you can't reinstall on the same filesystem |
| 23:46.04 | arahael | marioxcc: bup, to me, seems like: "Lets use Git for this too!", and I'm left wondering how to expire ancient backups. I don't particularly want 4 GB .iso's hanging out in the revisino history forever. |
| 23:46.05 | marioxcc | RoyK: No, I'm going to make a new logical volume for it. |
| 23:46.23 | RoyK | marioxcc: and a new /boot? |
| 23:46.33 | marioxcc | arahael: Apparently it doesn't uses git, but only the git package file format. |
| 23:46.46 | arahael | marioxcc: Same thing, really, practically. |
| 23:46.56 | arahael | marioxcc: Git, when you get down to it, is remarkably low level. |
| 23:47.04 | marioxcc | RoyK: I don't use a separate partition for / |
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| 23:47.49 | arahael | marioxcc: Also, it's readme file isn't too confident either. |
| 23:49.14 | marioxcc | arahael: Does it seems too informal?. |
| 23:49.47 | arahael | marioxcc: This line in particular: This is a very early version. Therefore it will most probably not work for you, but we don't know why. It is also missing some probably-critical features. |
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| 23:50.09 | marioxcc | arahael: I see. |
| 23:50.15 | arahael | marioxcc: Take a look at obnam, it's really polished. One advantage bup has, though, is that it's cross platform. But windows and mac os x both have great backup facilities. |
| 23:50.20 | marioxcc | arahael: So, it seems like you have already looked into backup solutions. |
| 23:50.45 | marioxcc | I'm reading obnam documetnation. |
| 23:50.51 | marioxcc | *documentation |
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| 23:51.23 | sigdk | vdpauinfo outputs the following: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:51.36 | sigdk | I've problems with displaying video files, any ideas ? |
| 23:51.57 | marioxcc | arahael: What other backup software packages do you find useful or promising? |
| 23:52.55 | arahael | marioxcc: Depends on their purpose. |
| 23:53.21 | arahael | marioxcc: But I was looking for a private use case. Ie, just me. Not professionally (of which obnam would be a poor fit). |
| 23:53.40 | arahael | marioxcc: obnam was the best I found for my needs. Other use cases frequently differ a lot. |
| 23:53.59 | arahael | Many people stlil seem ot script their own rsync-based backup systems though. |
| 23:54.22 | marioxcc | arahael: I can't decide for which backup solution to use. I currently simply copy files of my home directory to an USB flash memory. I'd like something that easily stores several snapshots with deduplication. I do not need that it runs itself automatically. |
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| 23:55.24 | marioxcc | What does obnam uses for the low level job (instead of git) |
| 23:55.36 | arahael | marioxcc: The author speaks of that at length. |
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| 23:56.00 | jeddi | just reading about obnam - looks great. i use dirvish - which deduplicates (using rsync) but assumes files stay in the same place. 95% of the time this is the case, but when someone moves a directory structure around you end up duplicating all that data - big pain. |
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| 23:56.59 | arahael | jeddi: obnam lets you mount it's backups as well. It's insane. |
| 23:57.15 | arahael | A stupid amount of thought and work went into it, it seems. |
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| 23:58.05 | jeddi | arahael: yeah, nice, i provide that for family members with an RO smb or nfs mount back to the .../archives/ directory structure of dirvish, which gives them that lovely 'here's all your FULL copies for each day for the past month' view. |
| 23:58.33 | jeddi | arahael: looks like dirvish is somewhat unsupported these days .. may need to migrate to obnam. |
| 23:59.02 | arahael | jeddi: obnam does lack a gui or something nice like that, I don't know how stable such mounts are - I presume they last as long as the underlying ssh connection does. |
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| 23:59.17 | arahael | jeddi: Excellent command line interface, though. |
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