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| 00:08.49 | JoeGIII | so how would I set ctrl alt t to open a terminal window? |
| 00:09.21 | JoeGIII | or another keybind for it |
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| 00:12.43 | darsie | JoeGIII: In the keyboard settings of your window manager? |
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| 00:14.00 | JoeGIII | darsie I looked but didnt see a terminal option and idk where in the filesystem terminal is |
| 00:14.44 | darsie | JoeGIII: In xfce I have menu/Settings/Keyboard/Application Shortcuts. |
| 00:15.26 | darsie | launch a terminal and look for it's name. |
| 00:15.36 | darsie | I have Konsole. |
| 00:15.51 | mtn | JoeGIII: which desktop are you using? gnome? |
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| 00:18.31 | RevertToType | so i'm trying to set up davmail so i can script a check on some resource's availability, davmail seems to be running just fine but i haven't the faintest where to go next or how to test via cli to make sure it's doing what it ought to |
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| 00:21.27 | JoeGIII | mtn I am using xfce |
| 00:21.54 | mtn | JoeGIII: hmm, not sure what terminal program it uses |
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| 00:28.23 | wyre | hi guys! which is te command to "run application" dialog in gnome3? |
| 00:28.38 | mtn | wyre: alt+f2 |
| 00:28.40 | wyre | (alt+f2 shortcut) |
| 00:28.48 | wyre | mtn, but.. which is terminal comand? |
| 00:29.01 | mtn | wyre: hmm, gkrun? I am not sure |
| 00:29.21 | wyre | mtn, don't it xD |
| 00:30.43 | JoeGIII | how an i build a DE from the ground up, not use XFCE GNOME etc? now 100% sure never really tried it before |
| 00:31.10 | JoeGIII | use openbox and different icon packs and stuff like that? |
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| 00:31.40 | mtn | JoeGIII: can you code? that is what needs to be done. it will take awhile ;) |
| 00:31.47 | zamnedix | Anyone have a recommendation for a music player that can handle a /lot/ of music? I tried cmus, it segfaults whenever I try to add my library |
| 00:32.16 | JoeGIII | mtn no, I was thinking more using openbox instead of xfce etc and make taskbars with that etc |
| 00:32.20 | jaggzt | what's periodically moving my empty cd/dvd drive's head? (I'm using kde) |
| 00:32.37 | JoeGIII | zamnedix, VLC? |
| 00:32.40 | mtn | JoeGIII: yes, you can use openbox and customize it. but that does not make it a de |
| 00:33.03 | zamnedix | JoeGIII: Does VLC have a music library style view? I was unaware |
| 00:33.12 | JoeGIII | well not a full DE but something like a DE, just something usable for everyday use |
| 00:33.36 | JoeGIII | zamnedix, there are so many settings im sure there is, I have never had any sort of a problem with it |
| 00:34.25 | mtn | JoeGIII: it will be a window manager. openbox, fluxbox and many others are window managers |
| 00:34.41 | JoeGIII | mtn see: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn not actual porn before anyone freaks out lol |
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| 00:35.25 | JoeGIII | mtn something akin to those setups |
| 00:35.37 | JoeGIII | probably would preserve battery life as well |
| 00:35.50 | mtn | JoeGIII: you can do whatever can be done. it will be fun! |
| 00:36.08 | tworkin | how do i get the debian wm to use both the left and right meta/windows key ? right now it is only detecting one |
| 00:37.22 | mtn | tworkin: which desktop/window manager? look in its settings, I guess |
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| 00:38.34 | mtn | JoeGIII: you may find the arch wiki on openbox to be helpful, too |
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| 00:38.47 | rayg1rl | I want debian 99 |
| 00:39.00 | mtn | rayg1rl: what would that be? |
| 00:39.18 | rayg1rl | i meant. I want debian |
| 00:39.25 | rayg1rl | Sorry |
| 00:39.33 | mtn | rayg1rl: uh, go download it and install it? |
| 00:39.39 | rayg1rl | where |
| 00:39.46 | mtn | rayg1rl: debian.org |
| 00:40.09 | rayg1rl | ah rhank you |
| 00:40.11 | mtn | rayg1rl: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 00:40.35 | mtn | rayg1rl: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 00:41.07 | rayg1rl | thank you very much mtn |
| 00:41.43 | JoeGIII | mtn I might try another Arch install |
| 00:41.53 | JoeGIII | I like arch but I cant install it -___- |
| 00:41.58 | mtn | rayg1rl: welcome |
| 00:42.04 | JoeGIII | well I like the idea of arch |
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| 00:42.32 | mtn | JoeGIII: in this case I was mentioning the wiki so you could get help with openbox |
| 00:42.49 | gryf | the only thing I like about arch is not having a peremption date |
| 00:43.18 | tworkin | whats the default wm in the 8.2 installer? i thought it was labelled just "debian", but that isn't mentioned in the wikipg for "WindowManager" |
| 00:43.42 | rayg1rl | i am new to debian is there a good handbook with all debian related contents |
| 00:43.47 | mtn | tworkin: the default desktop is gnome, if that is what you mean |
| 00:43.51 | JoeGIII | mtn I know but I still want to install Arch to see how it is |
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| 00:44.05 | mtn | JoeGIII: ok, not a topic for this channel, though |
| 00:45.03 | arahael | rayg1rl: Debian's documentation is on the website, including a good manual. |
| 00:45.13 | rayg1rl | ok |
| 00:45.19 | rayg1rl | thsnks |
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| 00:50.07 | baegle | Would there be negative effects to updating alternatives for python to python3 while still leaving 2 installed? |
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| 00:51.02 | asdada | Hello. I love debian xfce because its light and it has vlc, libre office and other stuff but it lacks bluetooth support. Which live cd has bluetooth support? |
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| 00:52.14 | lex_ | I tried to adjust the scrren brightness with the 'fn' button and when I set it at brightness it goes down to something much dimmer. |
| 00:52.18 | asdada | Also, need to use livecd because my laptop has a ruined ssd. |
| 00:57.02 | arahael | asdada: You really should just replace the ssd. |
| 00:57.19 | arahael | asdada: If cost is a concern, then just get a cheap mechanical drive and put that in. |
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| 00:58.04 | arahael | Unless it's one of those "eSSD"'s, specific to the netbook model. |
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| 00:58.30 | asdada_ | Anyone? |
| 00:58.43 | arahael | asdada: You really should just replace the ssd. |
| 00:58.45 | arahael | asdada: If cost is a concern, then just get a cheap mechanical drive and put that in. |
| 00:58.50 | arahael | asdada_: Unless it's one of those "eSSD"'s, specific to the netbook model. |
| 00:59.44 | asdada_ | arahael: I really like having a clean system everytime |
| 00:59.59 | asdada_ | So, any live iso that has bluetooth support? |
| 01:00.33 | arahael | asdada_: Then mount / as read-only. |
| 01:00.46 | arahael | asdada_: And have a read-write /home |
| 01:01.06 | arahael | Put /var into a ramfs, if you have RAM to burn. |
| 01:01.15 | arahael | Otherwise just wipe it each time. |
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| 01:03.41 | asdada | So... no iso with bluetooth support? |
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| 01:04.34 | arahael | asdada: Not sure. |
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| 02:03.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 02:03.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | my version of iceweasel is 4.2 but i don't see that in the repos.. |
| 02:03.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel |
| 02:03.37 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel |
| 02:03.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | what is going on |
| 02:03.38 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; stretch: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.2.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: |
| 02:03.39 | judd | 38.3.0esr-1; jessie-backports/iceweasel-release: 41.0-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 41.0-1 |
| 02:04.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | er 42 |
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| 02:04.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | iceweasel_42.0~b1-1~bpo80+1_amd64.deb . |
| 02:04.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | is http://mozilla.debian.net/ affilated with debian? |
| 02:05.04 | bazhang | mozilla? |
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| 02:06.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
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| 02:09.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | so how in the heck for i get a 42 version when the experimental is 41???? |
| 02:09.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | how is that possible? it some sort of trojan horse phissing website? |
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| 02:11.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ohhh i see now, i got a beta version.. |
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| 02:28.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | i went back to release version and the issue went away woot woot |
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| 02:39.28 | Atm0spher1c | is there something wrong with the ca-certificates package in jessie? I cannot use it to connect to freenode with ssl. But it works on oldstable wheezy. |
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| 02:42.26 | Atm0spher1c | am i missing something |
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| 02:50.20 | Atm0spher1c | okay im back. Looks like its dead in here tonight |
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| 02:53.20 | antena-cli | Atm0spher1c: I'm connected with freenode via SSL in Debian jessie. |
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| 02:55.12 | Atm0spher1c | antena-cli: I'm sure you are, but I can't figure out the problem. Something has to be missing, configuration or something. I never did any configuring on wheezy though. |
| 02:56.11 | antena-cli | Atm0spher1c: I just configured KVirc to use SSL and changed the server port to 7070. |
| 02:56.17 | somiaj | Atm0spher1c: check logs, looks for errors, try to connect in verbose mode. i.e. best to identify what the exact issue is. |
| 02:59.19 | Atm0spher1c | Sorry. It gives me this - "gnutls: invalid certificate "/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt", error: Base64 unexpected header error" |
| 02:59.35 | Atm0spher1c | which is bs and I can't find any info on that error |
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| 03:01.25 | Atm0spher1c | bs - bad science, on my part. I'm just pissed |
| 03:03.18 | somiaj | wonder if the cert is just corrupt. Maybe --puring the package that created that cert and recrating it would help. Only other thing I can think of is are you trying to use a Base64 cert on a 32bit app.. |
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| 03:04.17 | Atm0spher1c | nope 64bit. I'll trying reinstalling the package |
| 03:04.58 | somiaj | Atm0spher1c: reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates maybe you just need to run update-ca-certificates |
| 03:05.17 | Atm0spher1c | somiaj: thanks, tried it. Nothing |
| 03:05.52 | dvs | no news is good news |
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| 04:08.26 | xar- | hello, just installed debian 8, trying to setup an additional interface (eth1), the contents of /etc/network/interfaces is empty, is this systemd biting me? :S |
| 04:09.18 | xar- | i'm curious how eth0 got configured, all that is in that file is 'auto lo' |
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| 04:11.00 | fernie | xar-: NetworkManager, it configured your eth0, but will ignore interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:12.35 | xar- | I need to configure two static IPs, one per nic |
| 04:12.43 | xar- | is the proper place still /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:18.05 | xar- | ok I think I have it working |
| 04:19.08 | black_13 | is there a guide to building gcc in a chroot |
| 04:19.13 | xar- | I had to google how to restart, systemctl reboot |
| 04:19.18 | xar- | cringes |
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| 04:44.27 | factor | How do I add modules to boot , say btrfs? |
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| 04:52.55 | deego | why does apt-file search /usr/bin/sha512 not show the pkg hashalot? All I see is => coreutils: /usr/bin/sha512sum. And, I have apt-file updated |
| 04:52.56 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:57.30 | somiaj | deego: what version of debian are you running? My search seems to show that file doesnt' exist in jessie |
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| 04:58.22 | deego | ah, it's in usr/sbin/sha512 |
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| 05:27.57 | stormysea | Hi, what's the part of the wiki called that lists compatibility of different hardware? |
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| 05:29.23 | anonnumberanon | Wheezy just became old-stable sept 5th 2015? |
| 05:30.23 | stormysea | Nvm found it |
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| 05:36.49 | anonnumberanon | What Debian release is: |
| 05:36.50 | anonnumberanon | 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:37.15 | anonnumberanon | it does not want to dist-upgrade even though the new Debian just came out |
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| 05:42.06 | jelly | anonnumberanon: that's an old wheezy kernel, but the kernel doesn't give a definitive answer to that question |
| 05:42.33 | stormysea | Does anyone know what hardware compatibility is like on the new C720 chromebook that came out in Feb? |
| 05:42.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell anonnumberanon about debian suite |
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| 05:46.59 | black_13 | is samba still widely used |
| 05:47.40 | priest_4711 | black_13: how do you mean this? |
| 05:48.14 | black_13 | is there better or newer alternative to samba |
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| 05:49.52 | FI_OpwK | !jelly |
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| 05:52.06 | FI_OpwK | hi |
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| 05:54.22 | priest_4711 | hm.. I only know samba.. sorry.. anybody can answer my question whats the better way to restart samba? samba or smbd ? |
| 05:54.25 | lawyer | hey |
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| 06:02.10 | jelly | FI_OpwK: hi! You seem to have highlighted me, what's up |
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| 06:06.36 | jelly | priest_4711: https://bugs.debian.org/766690 says the old init script named "samba" is disabled with debian 8 |
| 06:06.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/766690 in samba (closed): «samba init script should not be started after upgrade»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-10-24; last modified: 2014-11-27. |
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| 06:12.09 | anonnumberanon | thanks jelly |
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| 06:13.16 | asasmita | hi guys :). I have a question, what is the best way to convert a debian virtual machine to a physical machine? thx before :) |
| 06:14.23 | priest_4711 | hi asasmita... you could use "xmount" to mount the vmdk/vdi to a dd-image (within seconds..)... then dd/ddrescue the dd-image to your disk |
| 06:14.23 | anonnumberanon | Do you see any issues if I change everything in these sources that says wheezy to jessie? Can I remove the wheezy backports line, SDL2 will be included in the packages of Jessie? I know that's a lot to ask.. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/362284c4/ |
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| 06:14.45 | priest_4711 | xmount is here: https://pinguin.lu/ |
| 06:15.20 | asasmita | priest_4711: thank you very much, I will look into it |
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| 06:15.37 | asasmita | :) |
| 06:16.05 | jelly | anonnumberanon: bring your wheezy system up to date first. |
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| 06:16.27 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 06:16.27 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 06:16.41 | jelly | anonnumberanon: ^^ then read that |
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| 06:17.05 | asasmita | prist_4711++ |
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| 06:22.00 | FI_OpwK | jelly: I didn't want anything. I saw your name in topic, figured it was a bot. but hey. |
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| 06:26.10 | TylerDurden36 | A few weeks ago when I installed debian testing netinstall, Firefox was at the latest version and now it's at 38. Why? |
| 06:28.07 | jelly | FI_OpwK: ah. My name's not in the topic as far as I can see. |
| 06:28.25 | FI_OpwK | "/topic" |
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| 06:29.29 | jelly | FI_OpwK: "set by" means it was me that last made changes to the topic |
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| 06:29.38 | TylerDurden36 | This is the ISO that I used cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_alpha3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:30.08 | FI_OpwK | jelly: right. and that's all I meant by when I said, "saw your Nick*" |
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| 06:32.44 | anonnumberanon | begrudgingly starts reading the new release doc. |
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| 06:33.28 | TylerDurden36 | Help? :D |
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| 06:36.53 | TylerDurden36 | Come on, it's just a simple question. I just don't know why a few weeks ago the testing packages were more recent and now they're old. |
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| 06:38.36 | anonnumberanon | Is there a way to search for one package through all the releases ever to know which release it is in? |
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| 06:39.22 | FI_OpwK | you could install the Debian plugin on your browser and search from there. |
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| 06:42.00 | TylerDurden36 | I've found the latest deb for the latest version, but why has the version downgraded in testing? |
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| 06:42.39 | anonnumberanon | is 5.2 of https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security a little vague or is it just my noobyness? |
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| 06:47.41 | madrik | anonnumberanon: What did you find vague? |
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| 06:49.03 | jelly | anonnumberanon: having the docs list all the packages that depend on webkit etc. would probably make for a large list |
| 06:49.06 | anonnumberanon | >In an attempt to harden the default setup |
| 06:49.10 | anonnumberanon | >PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 06:49.18 | jelly | oh, 5.2 |
| 06:49.20 | anonnumberanon | that's pretty paradoxal and misleading |
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| 06:50.36 | madrik | anonnumberanon: yes |
| 06:50.46 | jelly | anonnumberanon: that option just means the password login is disabled for root. Safer authentication methods, like key-based auth, remain available. |
| 06:50.53 | anonnumberanon | To me it sounds like "from now on your machine will have root access without password" |
| 06:51.46 | anonnumberanon | does this mean sshing into the machine won't work anymore? |
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| 06:52.27 | jelly | anonnumberanon: ssh-ing as root, with a password, won't work. ssh as user will work. ssh as root using keys will work. |
| 06:53.13 | anonnumberanon | So for example if I do: |
| 06:53.16 | anonnumberanon | su |
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| 06:53.26 | anonnumberanon | ssh userX@somewhere |
| 06:53.40 | anonnumberanon | that won't work without using keys? |
| 06:54.01 | jelly | anonnumberanon: this is only relevant for ssh _service_, not ssh client. |
| 06:54.43 | jelly | anonnumberanon: logging in from remote via ssh as root, with a password, won't work. |
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| 06:56.02 | anonnumberanon | In the real world, this won't work anymore? ssh root@machineIP ? |
| 06:56.17 | anonnumberanon | In any case I alway ssh my home user.. |
| 06:56.26 | anonnumberanon | I never ssh to root. |
| 06:56.46 | anonnumberanon | For example if i want to ssh from laptop in the house to PC in the house. |
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| 07:01.02 | arahael | Incidentially, while offtopic, it's worth pointing out that if you allow adminsitrators (as a group) to login via ssh keys... |
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| 07:01.14 | arahael | Then you can ssh to the root account using the user's keys(!) |
| 07:01.20 | arahael | On the mac os x. :( |
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| 07:04.42 | jelly | anonnumberanon: it won't work if you use a password, correct |
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| 07:13.10 | percY- | Hello. I seem to be having an issue trying to install kernel through wheezy-backports http://puu.sh/kz8jJ/88f1e3776b.png |
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| 07:13.30 | anonnumberanon | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#backup |
| 07:13.35 | anonnumberanon2 | thanks bebe |
| 07:13.44 | percY- | i added "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main" in /etc/apt/sources.list and cannot figure out why its spitting that out |
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| 07:16.51 | anonnumberanon2 | percY- what does it spit out? |
| 07:17.29 | percY- | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 - > E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 07:18.22 | anonnumberanon2 | and what release do you have in the other sources? |
| 07:18.34 | anonnumberanon2 | they should all be wheezy |
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| 07:18.54 | percY- | http://puu.sh/kz8wp/997393d2ca.png |
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| 07:21.17 | anonnumberanon2 | percY-, this is above my pay grade, all I know is this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 07:21.24 | anonnumberanon2 | but it doesnt have backports |
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| 07:21.50 | anonnumberanon2 | out of curiosity what are you trying to do with that command? i don't have access to man here |
| 07:22.12 | percY- | i'm trying to upgrade kernels |
| 07:22.15 | percY- | im on an ancient one apparently |
| 07:22.24 | percY- | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:23.05 | anonnumberanon2 | are you tryingg to get the new Debian stable? |
| 07:23.24 | anonnumberanon2 | Debian 8? |
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| 07:24.57 | priest_4711 | I am remastering debian via chroot. How can I set the ownership of a special folder for the "normal user" (that I dont know because it is build with SKEL) ? |
| 07:24.57 | percY- | i just want to see if i can upgrade my kernel on wheezy right now |
| 07:25.18 | percY- | trying to figure out if an issue im having is kernel related |
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| 07:30.15 | jelly | percY-: did you forget to run apt-get update? |
| 07:30.28 | ErtanERBEK | hi All |
| 07:30.28 | anonnumberanon2 | percY-, ah okay all i know is "how to upgrade the entire distro" don't know if it's safe to do only the kernel, nor whether or not the kernel itself is included in those backports |
| 07:30.31 | ErtanERBEK | I have one problem with HDPI |
| 07:30.48 | percY- | wow jelly |
| 07:30.49 | percY- | im retarded |
| 07:30.51 | percY- | thank you |
| 07:30.53 | percY- | LOL |
| 07:30.56 | ErtanERBEK | my some aplication ( QT Based as Skype or qTorrent ) use HDPI |
| 07:30.57 | percY- | it's been a long day |
| 07:31.08 | ErtanERBEK | how I can close QT HDPI support |
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| 07:31.35 | ErtanERBEK | also I am using GNOME 3.14.1 and I already closed HDPI support with " gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor " command |
| 07:31.44 | thenewone | Hi guys |
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| 07:32.06 | thenewone | i installed vsftpd but when i change the port he dont work why ? |
| 07:32.06 | ErtanERBEK | and all GNOME based software working perfectly but QT aplication create problem, how I can close anyone know ? |
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| 07:41.19 | Guest9997 | I've recently upgraded from wheezy to jessie including an upgrade of ejabberd from (2.x ?) to 14.07 -- my problem is that the encrypted connections to ejabberd which worked before now don't seem to work anymore -- xmpp.net (and pidgin also) even say that the server does not support encryption at all |
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| 07:43.23 | Guest9997 | the ejabberd-log does not seem to give me any more information even though log-level ist set to the highest |
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| 07:51.47 | bittin- | was trying to setup rt at work but fucked up the webserver: http://i.imgur.com/JNT1rXW.png anyone might know what i might have done wrong ? |
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| 07:56.40 | bittin- | https://paste.debian.net/314447/ |
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| 08:04.33 | petn-randall | bittin-: the "caught SIGTERM, shutting down" is you restarting apache? Otherwise it looks quite normal. |
| 08:05.03 | bittin- | petn-randall, yeah but a bunch of file not found |
| 08:05.25 | petn-randall | bittin-: I guess you still have to configure the redirect of /rt/ to where the request actually needs to go. Check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/, it'll very likely have instruction how to set it up. |
| 08:05.26 | bittin- | also getting this: http://i.imgur.com/JNT1rXW.png |
| 08:05.59 | bittin- | will try to check |
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| 08:18.07 | bittin- | http://slexy.org/view/s2Vw5Vkjly |
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| 08:25.23 | thenewone | any alternative for xinetd |
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| 08:26.36 | Megaf | How do I fix this? https://paste.debian.net/plain/314452 |
| 08:26.53 | Megaf | I tried chmod -R 660 and chown -R minetest:minetest already |
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| 08:27.27 | xand | Megaf: chmod +x |
| 08:27.37 | xand | Megaf: specifically, ug+x |
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| 08:27.48 | Megaf | why? isnt x to make it run? |
| 08:27.53 | bittin- | http://i.imgur.com/htkmWiD.png going forward but not there yet |
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| 08:27.55 | xand | not for directories |
| 08:28.07 | xand | for directories you need x permission to access them |
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| 08:28.33 | bittin- | configfile RT_Siteconfig.pm is locked :( ? |
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| 08:28.55 | Megaf | xand: there are several directories inside that dir, how do I do that for all of them? |
| 08:29.01 | xand | use -R |
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| 08:29.05 | xand | wai |
| 08:29.06 | xand | wait |
| 08:29.12 | Megaf | wont that apply x to files?# |
| 08:29.28 | Megaf | I dont want to make files runable |
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| 08:29.43 | xand | sorry, this way: find world -type d -exec chmod ug+x {} \; |
| 08:29.58 | xai | Hello. If I'm making own live build of Debian with using of my repositories (as additional), can I call it Debian? |
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| 08:30.08 | xai | Or I shouldn't use Debian� |
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| 08:30.45 | xai | The question is to DM/DD\ |
| 08:30.47 | xai | ⦠|
| 08:31.08 | Megaf | xand: Thanks, x to directories made the trick |
| 08:31.35 | Megaf | there was only two dirs inside actually, I did the chown ug+x on them too and it worked all well |
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| 08:43.46 | Iridos | Megaf, the question is how you ever could get u-x on directories anyway |
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| 08:44.14 | Megaf | Iridos: I did chmod -R 660 directory |
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| 08:44.48 | Megaf | In my mind -x stood by eXecutable, so it made no sense have -x on a directory |
| 08:45.05 | Iridos | guess you learned that differently |
| 08:45.07 | Iridos | now |
| 08:45.55 | Megaf | yep |
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| 08:46.21 | Megaf | on other channel a person suggested that they should change from -x to -n on directories, -n for navigable |
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| 08:46.28 | Megaf | or however you spell that |
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| 09:04.59 | shawn1 | wat |
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| 09:05.16 | shawn1 | why would we change it it's been like that forever |
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| 09:08.16 | shawn1 | and with a-x you cant cd to it but you can see its contents |
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| 09:19.30 | factor | Anyone upgrade a kernel with btrfs and lvm on it. |
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| 09:21.34 | factor | I get Unable to find LVM volume axion-vg/root ...then drops to shell |
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| 09:22.20 | Iridos | Megaf, surely changing that letter after it's been x for 20+ years wouldn't cause any confusion :) |
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| 09:39.09 | MadHatter42 | hey guys |
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| 09:41.54 | win7user | hello, i am about to boot an old crappy usb stick with debian netinstall (dvd drive broken) to change from windows 7 to debian (maybe even sparkylinux?) |
| 09:42.00 | win7user | anyone got any advice before i format everything (i have backed up all to mega.nz)? i am new to debian and i hope to atleast get to a browser and xchat before i run into trouble :) |
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| 09:43.06 | MadHatter42 | is it safe to link /lib/modules to another location |
| 09:43.07 | MadHatter42 | ? |
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| 09:43.15 | MadHatter42 | as i'm having disk space issues |
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| 09:46.28 | allizom | win7user: is this your only computer? get a live+nonfree iso and put it on a drive if you don't have one already, just in case you can't use network without some firmware |
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| 09:49.29 | win7user | allizom: download debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso and debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso to one of my existing ntfs partitions before i start the installation? can i mount them or do i need a fat32 partition first? |
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| 09:51.20 | allizom | win7user: 1) you only need DVD 1 to install, and 2) you should make a bootable drive, not just copy the files |
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| 09:58.33 | win7user | allizom: ok, format a partition on my ssd into a bootable debian partition? this is a little hard to google since every guide assumes i want to dual boot, i dont! :) got any tips for what guide or manual to follow? |
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| 10:00.36 | allizom | So do you want to completely erase windows and its data, and install debian after that? You just have to make a bootable usb stick and then use it to install debian by booting into it. It will ask you to wipe the disk |
| 10:01.27 | petn-randall | MadHatter42: no, it's needed for boot. |
| 10:01.57 | allizom | win7user: actually, you should delete all the current partitions during installation IIRC |
| 10:02.10 | MadHatter42 | petn-randall, any other options ? |
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| 10:02.40 | petn-randall | MadHatter42: /var can be a different mount point. |
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| 10:03.30 | MadHatter42 | var already is |
| 10:03.41 | MadHatter42 | i have an issue with / |
| 10:03.45 | MadHatter42 | thats just 300mb |
| 10:04.03 | petn-randall | MadHatter42: I'd reinstall with LVM if that is the case. My / is usually 20GB. |
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| 10:04.22 | MadHatter42 | i cant reinstall as its in a remote location petn-randall |
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| 10:09.29 | win7user | allizom: i dont follow this "you should make a bootable drive, not just copy the files", i have a usb stick with debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso installed with win32diskimager, i am currently downloading the debian-8.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso image, where do i put it so i can reach it when starting the netinstall installation? |
| 10:10.02 | win7user | my usb is an old mp3 player with ~900mb |
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| 10:13.26 | allizom | win7user: ah ok, I was under the impression that you just copied the iso in a ntfs partition. win32diskimager is correct. you don't need DVD 1 if you use netinstall anyway |
| 10:14.00 | petn-randall | win7user: You only need the net installer if you have a working network connection. |
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| 10:15.08 | win7user | petn-randall: thats what i thought, but allizom had some tips since i am in a tight situation :) |
| 10:15.09 | win7user | i am about to boot an old crappy usb stick with debian netinstall (dvd drive broken) to change from windows 7 to debian (maybe even sparkylinux?) anyone got any advice before i format everything (i have backed up all to mega.nz)? i am new to debian and i hope to atleast get to a browser and xchat before i run into trouble :) |
| 10:16.07 | g00se | Yes - don't try to netboot it, unless you absolutely need to |
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| 10:17.20 | g00se | (the netboot image is very (most?) often used to boot via usb/disk) |
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| 10:17.55 | win7user | is netboot a setting? or am i netbooting when i install with netinstall? |
| 10:18.20 | win7user | booting my usb drive with debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst installed |
| 10:18.28 | g00se | Netboot is a *method* using the network |
| 10:19.26 | g00se | Write it properly to the stick. If you can boot from usb, you'll be fine |
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| 10:19.50 | win7user | if only i had a bigger usb stick, things would feel a lot safer ^^ |
| 10:20.05 | petn-randall | g00se: Unless you use unetbootin, then you can boot fine but end up with a non-working bootloader. |
| 10:21.56 | g00se | petn-randall: I think we'd better find out exactly which image win7user has |
| 10:22.33 | win7user | debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:23.00 | g00se | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:23.10 | win7user | that is it :) |
| 10:23.20 | win7user | downloaded yesterday |
| 10:23.27 | win7user | hope it hasn't changed much since then ^^ |
| 10:23.33 | g00se | That's fine. Have you already got a linux somewhere? |
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| 10:23.48 | win7user | i got ubuntu on my 2 servers |
| 10:23.53 | win7user | none of them reachable from here |
| 10:24.12 | win7user | or they are reachable online ofc |
| 10:24.15 | win7user | but not locally |
| 10:24.17 | g00se | So do you have to do this from Windows? |
| 10:24.27 | win7user | yep |
| 10:25.00 | win7user | dell Latitude E6410 |
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| 10:25.04 | g00se | I'm afraid i never do that |
| 10:25.06 | win7user | with broken dvd :) |
| 10:25.28 | win7user | i have created the bootable usb already, shouldn't it be fine? |
| 10:25.57 | win7user | i'm very confident in my internet connection... and worst case i should be able to restart installation again with the usb? |
| 10:26.10 | win7user | would be fun if the usb broke, it's like 10 years old :D |
| 10:26.46 | hycer | win7user, it's named netinst, but after all is just a basic debian |
| 10:26.55 | win7user | i have a 500gb usb hdd... but i cant format the whole thing just to make an usb live installation disk |
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| 10:27.29 | win7user | hycer: i am not used to debian but it's the only distribution that offered netinstall :) |
| 10:27.46 | win7user | you do what you can with what you got |
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| 10:32.09 | allizom | win7user: do you have only this 1GB usb drive? I'd buy two, one for DVD 1 iso, and the second to have a live system in case things go wrong. Should be pretty cheap |
| 10:32.54 | allizom | or just go ahead with only one stick and hope it goes well |
| 10:33.55 | allizom | of course if you have a second local box things are simpler |
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| 10:36.01 | win7user | i might burn down everything if it bricks my last working local computer :D |
| 10:36.09 | win7user | life is a gamble, thanks for the help :) |
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| 10:45.23 | g00se | win7user: Sorry - got disconnected. Probably missed a lot now |
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| 10:46.52 | win7user | g00se: not really, i am going to gamble it all on my old 900mb mp3player usb with netinstall to save this piece of junk laptop :) |
| 10:47.07 | win7user | gotta make an important call in 15min and i want notepad available though |
| 10:47.20 | win7user | soooon my i seal own doom :) |
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| 10:48.58 | g00se | Well if it fails, it's likely to fail on boot - which won't break anything |
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| 10:52.02 | allizom | g00se: she may have bootloader issues, or just be locked out of networking because of missing firmware that may be necessary |
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| 10:52.14 | win7user | g00se: it should load debian into my 4gb of ram first right? so even if my usb fails it has already been loaded? |
| 10:52.36 | win7user | allizom: that is scary :D |
| 10:53.07 | allizom | that's why I suggested you to get a nonfree live |
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| 10:53.40 | win7user | will that work with a 900mb usb? :/ |
| 10:54.22 | allizom | no, you need a second one anyway |
| 10:55.45 | g00se | You've got Ethernet? |
| 10:56.16 | win7user | if all goes to shit i will order a premade linux stick and freeze myself until it arrives, but i wanna save money since i have no other need for a usb stick, my 64gb on my phone isn't even half used |
| 10:56.23 | win7user | yes |
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| 10:56.40 | BadCodSmell | How do I disable the screensaver in debian? |
| 10:56.44 | BadCodSmell | jessie |
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| 10:56.51 | win7user | not gonna try to netinstall with wifi |
| 10:57.02 | win7user | my legit win7 pro didnt even have drivers with that |
| 10:57.31 | g00se | Ethernet fairly rarely has firmware issues in my experience |
| 10:57.58 | ksk | g00se: If you are not using dell hardware... like nearly everything (over here..) needs nonfree firmware |
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| 10:59.04 | g00se | has only ever had problems with wifi firmware |
| 11:00.17 | rabbitear | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 11:00.58 | rabbitear | g00se: maybe you need to dance more |
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| 11:02.21 | rabbitear | g00se come in my mind tonight, because I'm going to bed |
| 11:02.48 | rabbitear | g00se: dance hard my friend, and it'll make it happen |
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| 11:04.00 | g00se | You'll probably sleep well - you've clearly been smoking _something_ .. |
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| 11:04.35 | rabbitear | its all this medication |
| 11:04.47 | rabbitear | weed is legal for us |
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| 11:06.39 | rabbitear | but I saw something wrong with you |
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| 11:06.59 | rabbitear | I saw it in the text that you wrote |
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| 11:07.44 | rabbitear | -t g00se |
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| 11:14.49 | win7user | seems like lots of people are having trouble with dell Latitude E6410 ethernet firmware |
| 11:14.57 | win7user | now you all scared me again :( |
| 11:15.28 | win7user | ksk: what do you think my odds are? ^^ |
| 11:19.25 | g00se | If there *are* firmware issues, it's possible to correct them on install. You'd need another stick to save the correct firmware to |
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| 11:20.19 | win7user | save from where? i only have this computer working :D |
| 11:20.25 | g00se | Is it working in Windows? |
| 11:20.43 | ksk | win7user: there are install isos (non offical ones, that is) which have all the nonfree firmware included |
| 11:21.18 | ksk | you could stick with them - or just download the normal install-iso and put the firmware you need into it (you can easily mount an .iso using mount and stuff) |
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| 11:24.29 | win7user | g00se: yes, using it right now |
| 11:24.43 | win7user | ksk: dvd is broken |
| 11:24.57 | g00se | Note down the pci ids of the net adapters |
| 11:25.06 | win7user | my only usb is 900mb unless i can make a partition on a 500gb usb hdd |
| 11:25.35 | win7user | time to good pci ids |
| 11:25.39 | win7user | *google |
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| 11:26.29 | g00se | Exporting msinfo32 is probably a good idea |
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| 11:30.05 | g00se | What's your service tag? |
| 11:30.48 | BadCodSmell | How can I turn off the screensaver in debian 8? It is that screen that you have to drag up to close. |
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| 11:31.57 | g00se | xscreensaver. Don't know how systemd deals with it |
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| 11:33.25 | BadCodSmell | after all this time it's still not possible to sort out screenblanking and screensavers in gnome :(? |
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| 11:33.37 | BadCodSmell | The situation goes from bad to worse. |
| 11:33.51 | BadCodSmell | A bit shocking you have to run scripts and things just for that. |
| 11:34.02 | win7user | lets say i boot up my live usb to use netinstall... will i be able to check if i can access ethernet and get internet before i have to start messing with partitions? |
| 11:34.09 | g00se | systemctl statussystemctl statussystemctl status |
| 11:34.24 | win7user | better ask and look stupid instead of doing and being stupid :) |
| 11:34.34 | g00se | lol systemctl status xscreensaver |
| 11:35.13 | g00se | Configuring the network happens early |
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| 11:36.25 | bittin- | got it sorted now thanks :) |
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| 11:37.56 | g00se | I don't know how Gnome does it - don't use Gnome |
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| 11:38.16 | win7user | g00se: thank you, i feel confident enough to do this :) |
| 11:38.33 | win7user | and by now i mean tonight |
| 11:38.43 | superrorc | Hi there! update-alternatives shows me some entries witn auto and manual status. How can a specify this option? |
| 11:39.05 | superrorc | if i just set number, command doesnt changed |
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| 11:40.57 | superrorc | http://pastebin.com/9aNc5aWK look at this pls |
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| 11:50.00 | er4z0r | superrorc: did you try checking the version in a new shell? |
| 11:50.18 | er4z0r | just a guess |
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| 11:50.37 | superrorc | no) lets try |
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| 11:51.28 | superrorc | =D ... |
| 11:51.31 | superrorc | its works |
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| 12:13.05 | hashtag_ | hi |
| 12:13.12 | hashtag_ | netstat -taupen gives me 8015/ssh |
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| 12:13.15 | hashtag_ | I try to pkill it - but it doesn't work |
| 12:13.22 | hashtag_ | isn't this the process id I can use? |
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| 12:13.35 | hashtag_ | I don't want to reboot everything - and also want to learn how to properly kill processes listed by netstat |
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| 12:13.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | try kill # |
| 12:14.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | or kill -9 # |
| 12:14.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | if its being stubborn, |
| 12:14.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | xkill is a nice gui version you can click on xwindows to kill |
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| 12:15.26 | petn-randall | hashtag_: Why doesn't it work? Do you get an error? |
| 12:15.58 | petn-randall | hashtag_: 'ps auxw | grep <pid>' gives you what line? |
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| 12:16.17 | hashtag_ | build 8015 0.0 0.0 44416 696 ? Ss Oct04 0:00 |
| 12:16.19 | hashtag_ | so I get a line |
| 12:16.26 | hashtag_ | what column or field is the pid for pkill? |
| 12:16.28 | hashtag_ | 8015? |
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| 12:16.54 | themill | hashtag_: pkill is not the right tool |
| 12:16.56 | petn-randall | hashtag_: yes. If you run 'kill 8015', what happens? |
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| 12:17.03 | hashtag_ | ahhh |
| 12:17.05 | hashtag_ | I seee |
| 12:17.09 | hashtag_ | pkill is like kill with some grep sugar |
| 12:17.19 | bigbob | Hello all, i'm trying to use the grep -P command but grep is not compiled with perl regexp option |
| 12:17.29 | bigbob | how can i recompile grep ? |
| 12:17.29 | hashtag_ | now it works |
| 12:17.31 | hashtag_ | cool |
| 12:17.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup |
| 12:17.39 | themill | bigbob: which release of Debian is this? |
| 12:17.52 | bigbob | debian 5.0.10 |
| 12:17.53 | hashtag_ | bigbob: 1) why? 2) what distro? |
| 12:17.53 | petn-randall | Was just about to ask. |
| 12:17.54 | hashtag_ | you can pull the source package from grep, I guess coreutils or something? |
| 12:17.54 | hashtag_ | and then use pbuilder or friends |
| 12:18.03 | hashtag_ | or install the build-deps directly, but I don't like that |
| 12:18.16 | hashtag_ | or some container for the dev work |
| 12:18.22 | bigbob | i've to use a script which use grep -P command |
| 12:18.23 | petn-randall | bigbob: That release is out of support quite a while now. |
| 12:18.39 | themill | bigbob: grep -P works in every supported version of debian. Lenny hasn't been a supported release for 3½ years. |
| 12:18.52 | bigbob | i know it's for a migration project |
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| 12:19.51 | bigbob | themill grep -P not work because it is compiled with --disable-perl-regexp option |
| 12:19.51 | themill | bigbob: My suggestion would be that if you can afford to rebuild grep, then you can afford to do it in some other way (like using perl itself or upgrading the box) |
| 12:21.38 | bigbob | i'm newbie in linux environnement, then i don't know how to recompile an essential tool like grep |
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| 12:23.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | can't u use egrep or something? |
| 12:24.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | fgrep as well |
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| 12:25.22 | bigbob | egrep don't allow to use perl regexp, i'm not good enough in dev |
| 12:25.27 | bigbob | my script use this line |
| 12:25.27 | bigbob | LDAPHOST=$(cat /etc/samba/smb.conf|grep -Po 'netbios name\s?=\s?\K(\S+)') |
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| 12:26.10 | bigbob | but grep -Po not work because it's not compiled for perl regex |
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| 12:27.00 | themill | you can rewrite that to not need -P (and not win a uuoc award) |
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| 12:31.01 | bigbob | themill: if i understand well the -P not needed ? |
| 12:31.37 | themill | bigbob: you could use sed -nr instead of grep -P; you need to fix the regexp too though |
| 12:32.22 | bigbob | okay i will do that, thank you themill :) |
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| 12:53.57 | chribo | When I'm trying to run an aptitude update I get 503 errors even though the site is reachable, am I missing something? |
| 12:54.49 | chribo | W: Downloading from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages failed: 503 Service unavailable |
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| 13:00.16 | Langley | Why is there no Chromium for Jessie ARM :( |
| 13:00.46 | break3r | sucking to much ram? |
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| 13:03.01 | Langley | Then why is every guide for setting up kiosk mode for the Raspberry Pi using chromium... |
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| 13:06.54 | bioxz | Hi, i found a "bug" in the installation documentation. Any idea where to report that? They recommend 150-310MB for the / partition, which isn't enough for jessie. Seems like the kernel got to big and is filling up /lib. |
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| 13:10.31 | p8m | Langley: Lots of people use raspian and it has chromium-browser |
| 13:10.40 | sillysausage | would it be fairly easy to run an archlinux or gentoo lxc container on a debian machine? |
| 13:11.03 | Langley | p8m: No, not the new Jessie build... I had to get it myself from Ubuntu or somewhere |
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| 13:11.11 | sillysausage | i really prefer debian (apt/reproducable build etc) so was thinking of using debian for my next system |
| 13:11.41 | sillysausage | occasionally i need newer things for devel work, and rather than using a complete unstable system like arch /w aur i was considering using debian with an arch lxc container guest |
| 13:11.55 | sillysausage | that way i can try out new things in my lxc without hurting my host |
| 13:12.05 | sillysausage | has anyone tried that? |
| 13:12.25 | sillysausage | https://wiki.debian.org/LXC sort of infers only debian guests are supported |
| 13:13.40 | sillysausage | the gentoo wiki infers that multiple distribution support is possible https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LXC#Other_distributions |
| 13:13.43 | p8m | sillysausage: sure you can run any distro you want under lxc, so long as the kernel is compatible |
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| 13:14.11 | sillysausage | mm, what do you mean by "kernel is compatible" |
| 13:14.18 | sillysausage | compatible with LXC? |
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| 13:15.26 | p8m | Containers use the same kernel as the host. So the kernel on your debian host has to be compatible with the container distro |
| 13:15.39 | sillysausage | right. |
| 13:17.30 | sillysausage | yeah im aware they use the same kernel as the host |
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| 13:18.07 | sillysausage | the thing i was thinking though, is for example, debian jessie is quite recent at the moment, but say in 2 years time... would ubuntu run on it? quite possibly not without me manually updating the kernel |
| 13:18.29 | sillysausage | maybe i should just use libvirt instead. |
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| 13:20.00 | p8m | sillysausage: you could use vagrant and provision custom environments for different applications |
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| 13:22.26 | betaboon | hello #debian, I'm trying to define a udev rule, to ensure that a usb drive never takes up /dev/sda. Following https://wiki.debian.org/Persistent_disk_names i came up with the pasted rules, which doesnt seem to achieve what I want. could anyone point me in the right direction? https://paste.debian.net/314482/ |
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| 13:27.43 | Emiyaa | witam |
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| 13:28.14 | Emiyaa | mam do was pytanko, czy na debianie ruszy ms visual studio community?? (pewnie 2015 bedze pobieral) |
| 13:28.19 | omid8bimo | hi. i need help please. we have a major issue in our rabbitmq server which is causing so much outage in out service |
| 13:28.24 | omid8bimo | here is a screenshot of my rabbitmq web management plugin http://i61.tinypic.com/303h14z.png |
| 13:28.29 | omid8bimo | the problem is, the file descriptor/socket descriptor is keep increasing over time and eventually, it becomes red (exhusted) and i have to kill rabiitmq and start it again |
| 13:28.33 | omid8bimo | any idea why this is happening? |
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| 13:33.58 | asdasd | Hello |
| 13:34.42 | asdasd | How can i make a persistent liveusb? I want my configurations to be saved after each reboot. Dont want to install in usb becasue i want to have the ability to install in otrher computers. |
| 13:34.51 | teclo- | asdasd: bogus nick, please come back with a real one |
| 13:35.19 | asdasd | teclo-: What? |
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| 13:35.29 | asdasd | I always used this one onmany irc chats. |
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| 13:35.40 | asdasd | Can someone please help? |
| 13:36.07 | rozie | asdasd: treat USB as ordinary HDD drive |
| 13:36.22 | asdasd | rozie: How? |
| 13:36.41 | rozie | do you know how to use ordinary HDD drive? |
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| 13:37.32 | asdasd | I tried making a partitions after installling with dd but I cant save my wifi settings after each boot. |
| 13:37.50 | rozie | please answer my question |
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| 13:39.27 | asdasd | rozie: Yes, using one now. |
| 13:39.56 | rozie | so use USB key *exactly* the same |
| 13:40.13 | rozie | you can install system with debootstrap |
| 13:40.27 | rozie | just install grub and voila! |
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| 13:41.20 | themill | !persistent live |
| 13:41.21 | dpkg | You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live sessions. See http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 13:41.44 | g00se | And: http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html |
| 13:42.52 | jelly | amusingly the RTFM http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html link says NOTHING about LABEL=persistence / persistence.conf method |
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| 13:44.20 | asdasd | dpkg: Tried that guide and it says 7z not found. Is it becasue im using Trisquel? However 7zr does exist but doesnt work |
| 13:44.21 | dpkg | that's too long, asdasd |
| 13:44.23 | rozie | I see no point in such a hybrid. having normal system allows for easy and often security updates |
| 13:44.34 | asdasd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.16 | rozie | and flash durability shouldn't be an issue, when sane default is set (/tmp as tmpfs, no swap, noatime, no journal) |
| 13:45.27 | Iridos | dpkg, Trisquel |
| 13:45.27 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 13:46.46 | g00se | rozie: afaics the use case is to have the live debian available and working on arbitrary machines |
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| 13:47.32 | asdasd | jelly: Will the guide you provided work? |
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| 13:48.40 | jelly | asdasd: no idea. I only have experience with persistence.conf method, and even that on grml not a plain debian-live |
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| 13:49.37 | asdasd | jelly: Is that method explained here? http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ Or where |
| 13:49.41 | jelly | yes |
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| 13:50.22 | asdasd | jelly: Ok, ill try it then, thanks. |
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| 14:26.01 | kltrg | I have a Xfce issue: Iâm working with a panel on the bottom of the screen. When maximising windows, they become the size of the whole display, including the panel. Thus, the bottom pixels of the window is hidden by the panel. How can I set the panel to occupy that space without the window maximising to it? |
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| 14:26.47 | g00se | Sounds like it's broken then |
| 14:29.01 | kltrg | g00se, The panel? I also tried to create a new one but it behaves the same. |
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| 14:32.42 | g00se | I used to use something with a -replace parameter. Can't find it now |
| 14:32.56 | g00se | xfdesktop --reload might help |
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| 14:35.30 | kltrg | g00se, Iâll try. Iâm on another computer right now. |
| 14:35.48 | kltrg | But if anyone else has suggestions, Iâm happy to take them to. |
| 14:35.49 | g00se | Otherwise, just reinstall |
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| 14:38.53 | g00se | kltrg: This is what i used to do: Â xfwm4 --replace & |
| 14:39.32 | sillysausage | if one is using debian-testing can you pull in packages from sid? |
| 14:39.40 | sillysausage | i assume that's how it works |
| 14:40.26 | sillysausage | in short I'm thinking of running gentoo stable server with KVM, two vms, debian stable A, and debian testing B. A is for critical things B is for toy things, so i can snapshot and update things from sid. |
| 14:41.08 | sillysausage | i know it's not possible to pull testing packages into a stable system |
| 14:41.16 | sillysausage | but is it possible to pull sid packages into a testing system? |
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| 14:41.48 | g00se | !frankendebian |
| 14:41.48 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 14:42.16 | sillysausage | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Can_I_use_sid_packages_on_testing.3F |
| 14:42.19 | sillysausage | that answers my question |
| 14:42.27 | petn-randall | sillysausage: Yes, testing and unstable are only a few days apart. So it's a quite normal use case to have testing and cherrypick packages from sid. You should have a fair understanding of how Debian works though, when you do it. |
| 14:43.16 | petn-randall | sillysausage: Add both repos, and make sure that pinning keeps you on testing by default. |
| 14:43.27 | sillysausage | petn-randall: okay then, it wouldn't really matter too much in terms of "breakages" it as i would be updating when i need specific thing updated and i can easily snapshot the VM first. |
| 14:44.01 | sillysausage | petn-randall: yeah i've experimented with pinning before. |
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| 14:45.58 | petn-randall | sillysausage: Then you're all set. Just make sure to debug and report any issues you find on the way so we can improve things. :) |
| 14:46.08 | sillysausage | yes, naturally |
| 14:46.15 | petn-randall | sillysausage: Oh, and testing/sid support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different network). |
| 14:46.38 | sillysausage | i should probably hang out there. |
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| 14:48.46 | sillysausage | petn-randall: basically the intention is to move away from an archlinux vm |
| 14:48.50 | sillysausage | and separate channels |
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| 14:49.01 | sillysausage | so that A cannot fuck up B and B cannot fuck up A |
| 14:49.29 | sillysausage | but if B stops working by itself, then it's not really a big deal :) |
| 14:50.05 | sillysausage | im kind of waiting for the day when a systemd update or kernel update breaks my single archlinux vm, i know it will happen one day when i don't have time to fixit |
| 14:50.10 | sillysausage | fix it |
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| 14:50.55 | sillysausage | i was also rather inspired by this post https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ndv9t/why_would_i_choose_arch_linux_over_like_kubuntu/ |
| 14:51.11 | sillysausage | viccuad made some very good points ;) |
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| 15:03.53 | Iridos | g00se, frankendebian is for mixing stable with testing or mixing with different distributions... packages from sid migrate to testing at some point *anyway*, so testing and unstable are (usually) close together and mixing them is not a very unusual thing to do... |
| 15:05.11 | Iridos | oh, petn-randall already pretty much said that... sorry... I jump back to the back of the page in my backlog, but then don't consequently follow through with everything said afterwards |
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| 15:06.02 | Iridos | actually I did look at the following stuff, but somehow skipped that line |
| 15:06.21 | g00se | Yes, ok |
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| 15:08.27 | Iridos | you could say because sid packages become testing at some point anyway, testing comes in pre-mixed :P (but that's not a problem like with stable, where packages in stable and in testing have a 1-2 year difference in making) |
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| 15:16.22 | _abc_ | I have trouble with a debian rtai linuxcnc live install dvd, it works fine but after install it allows synaptic to change sources.list and then all hell breaks loose when upgrading. Where does a live install disk place its (pinned) sources.list file please? |
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| 15:17.42 | g00se | Isn't it in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:18.17 | _abc_ | After install, yes. Where is it before... |
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| 15:20.53 | yoLo_ | anyone help with installing gcc arm embedded toolchain on debian ? |
| 15:21.07 | yoLo_ | such as adding to my path ? |
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| 15:23.10 | g00se | Probably in some squash image. Not sure what you'd do about it if you knew .. |
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| 15:31.53 | toogley | hello. where is the default terminal defined? the TERMINAL environment variable? |
| 15:31.58 | sillysausage | does debian have systemd-boot? |
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| 15:33.42 | sillysausage | i can't remember if gummiboot was integrated in systemd when debian adopted it |
| 15:34.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell sillysausage about search |
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| 15:35.13 | sillysausage | mm the fact that https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gummiboot exists makes me think it was before the rename to "systemd-boot" |
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| 15:36.13 | gnugr | yoLo_: check this link for CrossToolchains https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains |
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| 15:39.02 | toogley | kj |
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| 15:40.13 | _abc_ | g00se: I would compare it with the present one which is almost certainly wrong (modified by synaptic when it should not have been) |
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| 15:42.10 | g00se | How do you know synaptic modified it? |
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| 16:01.29 | reciprocity | hello |
| 16:01.50 | reciprocity | im running a debian distrubution but im having some problems connecting my usb 3g dongle |
| 16:02.06 | reciprocity | it recognizes the device but when i try to connect it is unable to do so |
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| 16:03.29 | jelly | reciprocity: sometimes usb-modeswitch package helps |
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| 16:06.48 | reciprocity | jelly: What does this do ? |
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| 16:07.27 | jelly | ,i usb-modeswitch |
| 16:07.28 | judd | Package usb-modeswitch (comm, extra) in jessie/amd64: mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices. Version: 2.2.0+repack0-2; Size: 53.1k; Installed: 198k; Homepage: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
| 16:07.41 | reciprocity | what is flip flop |
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| 16:07.42 | reciprocity | lol |
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| 16:08.36 | jelly | reciprocity: a 3g stick that can look as storage (with windows drivers on it), or like like a modem, flipping between two possibilities |
| 16:09.12 | reciprocity | ok |
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| 16:09.27 | reciprocity | officially speaking my 3g stick isn't supported on linux but it is supported on os x |
| 16:09.35 | reciprocity | its on meditel |
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| 16:10.38 | Justin417 | reciprocity, what model? |
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| 16:14.44 | reciprocity | i don't have the make on the outside of the device |
| 16:14.49 | reciprocity | ill have to pry it open somehow |
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| 16:22.48 | no_gravit\| | Since I could not get my bluetooth keyboard to work reliably with debian, I bought a bluetooth-usb-adapter today. but guess what.. same problem. Does that mean debian does not like the *keyboard*? |
| 16:23.09 | jhutchins | reciprocity: lsusb |
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| 16:29.45 | two-gun | hi there, i have created a live usb of debian. it has persistance. is there a way to retain programs i download? or if not is there a way to make a script so it automatically installs a bunch of programs on startup? cheers |
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| 16:30.59 | no_gravit\| | my bluetooth keyboard always stops responding after a short while. any ideas how to go about it? it works fine with my ipad. |
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| 16:31.13 | jelly | two-gun: if you enabled persistance on / that will include installed packages |
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| 16:34.18 | G66K | hello everyone |
| 16:34.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | hi doctor g66k. |
| 16:34.37 | G66K | thanks NoImNotNineVolt |
| 16:34.44 | G66K | my machine just switch swap off |
| 16:34.45 | G66K | swap not available |
| 16:34.47 | two-gun | jelly: perhaps i did it wrong :-( i have a (ejectaable) drive called persistant that works but i installed vim and rebooted and now i have no vim :-( |
| 16:34.56 | G66K | i was wondering how to turn it on again |
| 16:35.04 | two-gun | i followed these instructions http://cosmolinux.no-ip.org/raconetlinux2/persistence.html |
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| 16:37.11 | _abc_ | re. Okay can someone please help me find a simple (<10page) rundown on how a live install disk actually works, esp wrt pinned versions? I have a linuxcnc debian wheeze live disk which installs nicely, runs fine (axis), and is hosed at the 1st attempt to update packages, due to failing/lacking pinning of sources.list sources and certain key rtai packages. |
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| 16:38.09 | _abc_ | Also is there a proper stepconf debian package somwhere? |
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| 16:44.08 | jelly | two-gun: do you mean "persistence"? if the filesystem label or file name is typoed as persistance or persistent it won't work |
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| 16:45.19 | two-gun | jelly: thanks for helping. i actually did type persistence |
| 16:45.37 | two-gun | is there a way to check if that part is working? |
| 16:45.41 | jelly | two-gun: and did you remember to add the boot parameter on the next boot/ |
| 16:46.05 | two-gun | i added it to the os partition |
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| 16:46.09 | jelly | two-gun: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 16:46.21 | x86_64 | how do i use dd to copy a file upto X bytes? |
| 16:46.32 | jelly | two-gun: verify the kernel parameters contain the "persistence" word |
| 16:46.43 | spaceone | where do i get the publickey of ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 16:46.57 | spaceone | when using it as debian repository server |
| 16:47.00 | two-gun | mutha****** persisitence! |
| 16:47.36 | two-gun | so if i do it all over (and learn how to type!) it should work right? |
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| 16:47.46 | jelly | two-gun: yeah |
| 16:48.05 | two-gun | thanks for your help, i'll give it another go. |
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| 16:48.47 | jelly | spaceone: that ftp/web site contains multiple repositories. Which one is failing for you? |
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| 16:50.16 | spaceone | jelly: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main |
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| 16:51.07 | x86_64 | uhm |
| 16:51.09 | jelly | spaceone: alright, and which release are you coming from? |
| 16:51.10 | x86_64 | jelly, what was that? |
| 16:51.32 | jelly | x86_64: PM |
| 16:51.53 | spaceone | jelly: no release, i am coming from a own distribution |
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| 16:52.40 | jelly | spaceone: well, make sure to include debian-archive-keyring package in your distro before pulling in debian repos ;-) |
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| 16:53.51 | albru123 | I'm trying to automount my USB drive, however when I try to enter the mountpoint, I get "Transport endpoint is not connected", but I cannot mount it either because it says the drive is already used. Can someone tell me why it doesn't work? Here is my fstab and other stuff: https://paste.debian.net/314516/ |
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| 16:57.11 | okitasan | http://pastie.org/private/clrmpb8m9zwdkllwpd7oa |
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| 16:57.27 | okitasan | Why does it state "cannot open device" |
| 16:57.42 | okitasan | I found this post: http://www.micahcarrick.com/credit-card-reader-pyusb.html |
| 16:58.07 | okitasan | But the link to how to develop a driver is gone, and I think you might need certain drivers for this device. |
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| 16:59.58 | spaceone | jelly: i only want the deb-src repos. it doesn't clearly answer my question. how can i import that key? |
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| 17:02.26 | jelly | spaceone: using apt-key, but it's easier to just install that package |
| 17:02.33 | okitasan | I imagine by default it should act as a keyboard and just spew the cc out but it doesnt |
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| 17:02.43 | petn-randall | albru123: Looks to me like everything works as expected, or not? You configured it to mount and it mounted where you want it. |
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| 17:03.13 | quantic | spaceone: what jelly told you actually does answer your question. Install a package. |
| 17:03.21 | spaceone | jelly: it seems i don't have the package. |
| 17:03.32 | spaceone | i could use apt-key install |
| 17:03.37 | spaceone | but wherer to get the file? |
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| 17:04.02 | albru123 | petn-randall: Except I can't access it |
| 17:04.53 | petn-randall | albru123: Do you get any errors in /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 17:05.28 | jelly | spaceone: uh. Okay. You have apt installed. Where did you get it from? |
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| 17:05.59 | spaceone | jelly: it's part of my distro, UCS |
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| 17:06.12 | jelly | spaceone: where did you initially get it from? |
| 17:06.20 | spaceone | hm? |
| 17:06.25 | spaceone | it is part of my distro |
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| 17:06.48 | jelly | spaceone: how did apt find its way to your distro? |
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| 17:07.14 | albru123 | petn-randall: For what should I look? |
| 17:07.17 | spaceone | jelly: it is a subdistriution of debian |
| 17:07.27 | spaceone | all packages are self-compiled |
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| 17:07.42 | spaceone | that "debian-archive-keyring" seems not existing |
| 17:07.49 | jelly | spaceone: so get sources for debian-archive-keyring the same way you got sources for apt. |
| 17:08.00 | spaceone | i don't want debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:08.06 | quantic | ... |
| 17:08.12 | spaceone | i want a one time solution to apt-source package |
| 17:08.23 | spaceone | in a throw-away-virtual-machine |
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| 17:08.44 | spaceone | or telling apt-get update to ignore every GPG stuff |
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| 17:09.29 | jelly | spaceone: but all that package does is add correct keys to apt's pgp db |
| 17:09.35 | albru123 | it looks okay to me... |
| 17:10.02 | spaceone | jelly: jeah, but this package does not exists in that distro |
| 17:10.08 | spaceone | so i need another way |
| 17:10.15 | jelly | spaceone: who cares, grab it from debian |
| 17:10.18 | spaceone | why isn't the public key available via http? |
| 17:10.25 | spaceone | jelly: how? |
| 17:10.40 | spaceone | jelly: i need the location where it is stored |
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| 17:11.19 | quantic | jelly: dude, google. I just found it in 15 seconds. |
| 17:11.28 | jelly | spaceone: http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2014.3_all.deb |
| 17:11.56 | jelly | quantic: google is magic! |
| 17:12.02 | spaceone | thank you! |
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| 17:12.27 | jelly | spaceone: packages.debian.org/packagenamehere works |
| 17:12.31 | quantic | jelly: Clarke's third law. |
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| 17:12.50 | _abc_ | jelly: is there a package called stepconf in debian somewhere? |
| 17:12.57 | jelly | ,v stepconf |
| 17:12.58 | judd | No package named 'stepconf' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:13.11 | jelly | _abc_: not under that specific name |
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| 17:13.38 | _abc_ | I know I been looking. I'm in a bind with some misplaced files on a linuxcnc install |
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| 17:15.54 | jelly | maybe you ought to ask... the linuxcnc people! |
| 17:17.02 | greycat | googling stepconf... the first not-wrong-looking result is on a linuxcnc web page. |
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| 17:18.21 | jelly | _abc_: « /msg alis list *linuxcnc* » shows they have a small user channel and a smaller dev channel here on freenode |
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| 17:20.11 | albru123 | looks like I'm screwed |
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| 17:43.01 | factor | I was trying to boot btrfs after compiling my own kernel on 8.2 and I get LVS not found |
| 17:43.10 | factor | after making the package with make-kpkg |
| 17:43.17 | factor | for a 4.22 kernel |
| 17:43.30 | factor | How would I fix this? |
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| 17:45.29 | greycat | Make sure your custom kernel is configured with all of the stuff a Debian kernel uses. |
| 17:45.36 | twobitsprite | for some reason my /etc/exports file isn't being read at boot... I have nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server and portmap set to start at boot, and after boot all I have to do is run "exportfs -a" and they get exported, but this isn't dont at boot |
| 17:46.00 | twobitsprite | done* at boot |
| 17:46.43 | greycat | twobitsprite: In which version of Debian? Usually that sort of thing points to an incorrect network config ("auto eth0" vs. "allow-hotplug eth0" and so on) |
| 17:46.56 | deepy | is there any command I can use to search and replace a specific term in all directories and also in zip files with the extension .war :-)? |
| 17:47.09 | two-gun | jelly: thanks for your help. i've now got it working now. |
| 17:48.10 | greycat | deepy: You can't modify the content of a .zip file without extracting the whole thing, modifying one of the resulting files, and then re-zipping it. |
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| 17:48.19 | deepy | I was hoping for a tool that does that |
| 17:48.37 | greycat | unzip + zip + a bunch of ugly shell script... |
| 17:48.38 | deepy | wait, can grep search zip files_ |
| 17:48.41 | twobitsprite | greycat: squeeze LTS |
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| 17:49.06 | twobitsprite | greycat: I have allow-hotplug instead of auto, so I should switch them to auto? |
| 17:49.13 | greycat | twobitsprite: Yeah, definitely use "auto". |
| 17:49.18 | twobitsprite | ok, thanks |
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| 17:49.46 | greycat | deepy: zgrep can search .gz files but I don't know if any of the regular tools can do .zip |
| 17:50.07 | twobitsprite | I'm assuming allow-hotplug causes the interfaces to come up later than they would with auto? just trying to understand why |
| 17:50.11 | deepy | my grep -rl gave the warfile as a match |
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| 17:52.09 | TheLemonMan | greycat, ag has a -z switch |
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| 17:56.56 | factor | greycat:I copy over my old kernel file .config from 3.16 to 4.22 and do a make menu config, I had to add a driver for my astronomy web cam mt9031 , that worked and it boots but does not find any physical or virtual volumes. |
| 17:57.22 | greycat | I don't know whether a kernel config can jump that far across versions. |
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| 17:58.03 | jhutchins | factor: If you're using a config from an earlier version you should make oldconfig |
| 17:58.07 | factor | greycat: Yes I agree , would be nice to have a dep control on make mneuconfig like apt-get does. |
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| 17:58.33 | factor | ok I will try that , I think I may have done that, but might have forgot. |
| 17:58.41 | _abc_ | jelly: I'm on it but they know little of debian. Just enough to be dangerous. Like, release a devian live/install cd which supplies linuxcnc |
| 17:58.41 | factor | Thanks |
| 17:58.46 | greycat | Even dpkg/apt can't save you when you upgrade across a major version boundary (*cough* apache 2.2 to 2.4) |
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| 17:59.09 | _abc_ | factor: you need to do make oldconfig and then it will ask you 1000 questions |
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| 17:59.16 | _abc_ | factor: and then you run menuconfig and fix it |
| 17:59.48 | greycat | gave up on making his own kernels years ago. Too complex, too much not-default crap. |
| 17:59.59 | greycat | Just make the defaults work for god's sake. |
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| 18:00.04 | RoyK | factor: what makes you need a homebrewed kernel? |
| 18:00.14 | _abc_ | wise words of the optimist. I am a pessimist. |
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| 18:00.42 | factor | I like that debian 8.2 does mot append kernels to your grub list. it will overwrite a like kernel. So I dont end up with a long string of useless kernels in my list. |
| 18:01.54 | _abc_ | factor: and you also end up without key modules, like I did this morning |
| 18:02.49 | factor | I delete my modules before dpkg ing |
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| 18:03.36 | ewew | Unification is bad idea. |
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| 18:07.39 | ewew | But this depends how manufacturer bends the hw specification. |
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| 18:09.41 | ewew | _abc_ You system did not boot ? |
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| 18:11.25 | _abc_ | It booted but then other things were broken. Not Debian's fault. Will be fixed tomorrow. |
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| 18:11.50 | ewew | _abc_ How long it compiled your kernel ? |
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| 18:14.05 | Artej | hi |
| 18:14.16 | Artej | what is a utility to read .gz logs |
| 18:14.26 | greycat | zless |
| 18:14.30 | Artej | thank you |
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| 18:15.13 | _abc_ | ewew: that is a classfied BogoMips question ;) It takes anywhere from 5 minutes to 6 hours depending on your hw |
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| 18:16.09 | ewew | On my old computer it was about 6 hours, now i dont mesure it. Using with ccache and probably it takes few minutes. |
| 18:16.37 | Artej | what are you talking about? |
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| 18:17.34 | ewew | Artej about kernel with _abc_. |
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| 18:19.20 | timthelion | What is the DFSG's stance on free software which displays adversing or promotes a non-free service? Such as Firefox, or the atom text editor? |
| 18:20.07 | jhutchins | !dfsg |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 18:20.39 | jhutchins | timthelion: It's based on the license. |
| 18:20.58 | timthelion | jhutchins: So there is nothing that prevents software that displays advertizing? |
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| 18:21.32 | greycat | Advertising is not a violation of DFSG-freeness as far as I know. Unless there is a clause in the license that says you cannot remove the advertising. THAT would be a violation. |
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| 18:21.40 | timthelion | jhutchins: what about actively malicious software? For example a GPL licensed keylogger which steals your credit card? |
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| 18:21.48 | jhutchins | timthelion: I believe that is correct, but I would expect such software to not have a free license and to not distribute source code where you could remove the advertising. |
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| 18:22.14 | greycat | timthelion: well, that just wouldn't be packaged at all. |
| 18:22.17 | timthelion | jhutchins: But firefox does display advertizing on the tabs view. So this is not a theoretical question |
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| 18:22.26 | allizom | timthelion: Firefox is not in Debian, Iceweasel is |
| 18:22.29 | jhutchins | timthelion: Again, the DFSG cares about licensing and source code. Obviously there are other considerations regarding malware. |
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| 18:23.44 | timthelion | allizom: But iceweasel also displays ads. |
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| 18:24.09 | timthelion | allizom: I have a debian image here with iceweasel installed, and it displays an advertizement for booking.com when I open up a new tab |
| 18:24.30 | timthelion | I expect better of debian :( |
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| 18:25.26 | timthelion | Is there any way I can get the debian project to have a real down to earth conversation on this subject? |
| 18:25.35 | jhutchins | timthelion: Web pages use ads to generate revenue. Firefox/Iceweasel just displays what's on the page. |
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| 18:25.50 | jhutchins | timthelion: There is no reason for Debian to block advertising. |
| 18:25.52 | greycat | jhutchins: he's talking about the UI of the program itself, I thbink. |
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| 18:26.05 | greycat | Though it's hard to be sure. |
| 18:26.20 | timthelion | jhutchins: no, that's not what I mean. In iceweasel, when you open a new tab, right after install, you see advertizements in the page that opens. |
| 18:26.22 | jhutchins | greycat: Which would still not be a problem, but I don't see that in my firefox on Debian or Windows7. |
| 18:26.25 | timthelion | jhutchins: that is not a webpage |
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| 18:26.34 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: greycat: Yes, in a recent upstream version, Firefox began showing ads on the new-tab page (not a web page, part of the browser chrome). |
| 18:26.37 | timthelion | jhutchins: that is part of iceweasel's built in, default, ui |
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| 18:27.08 | jhutchins | samurailink3: So the new tab includes links to "promoted" pages? |
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| 18:27.22 | timthelion | jhutchins: yes, they are marked with a little grey "sponsored" box |
| 18:27.26 | mtn | it is a "suggested" link |
| 18:27.41 | jhutchins | So if you don't like it, don't click it. |
| 18:27.51 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: Yes, here's an article on it: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2848017/how-to-get-rid-of-firefoxs-new-ads-on-the-new-tab-page.html |
| 18:27.59 | deepy | is anybody forcing you to use the software? |
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| 18:28.07 | timthelion | jhutchins: that is not my point. My point is that I have come to trust Debian to provide me with quality non-comercial, free software |
| 18:28.10 | ie | you can open a new tab in iceweasel, click the gear icon in the upper-right corner, and select 'blank'. then you will see a blank tab when you open a new tab. |
| 18:28.11 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: I'm not sure free software should show advertisements in the chrome by defaults. |
| 18:28.12 | timthelion | I feel that my trust is being violated |
| 18:28.23 | jhutchins | timthelion: You misunderstand those terms. |
| 18:28.24 | auser | www.lingscars.com Blink Blink ^^ |
| 18:28.37 | greycat | timthelion: but the version of Firefox that contains builtin ads *is not in Debian*. Right? |
| 18:28.39 | timthelion | ie: I know that, but my point is about the philosophy of debian |
| 18:28.52 | jhutchins | timthelion: How about reading the links from dpkg - they will help explain them. |
| 18:28.53 | timthelion | greycat: no, it is, that is the point |
| 18:28.53 | samurailink3 | greycat: It seems the ads have propagated to iceweasel |
| 18:29.00 | greycat | ah |
| 18:29.08 | jhutchins | timthelion: Debian is in no way anti-commercial. |
| 18:29.17 | mtn | ie: nice tip, that get's rid of the "ads" |
| 18:29.37 | mtn | timthelion: did you read what ie said? you can get rid of it. yay! |
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| 18:29.46 | timthelion | jhutchins: this is a new issue, and I would like the debian comunity to talk about it and decide. |
| 18:29.59 | samurailink3 | In any case, I think this needs to be a bigger discussion than just an IRC conversation. I'm sure it can be removed from Iceweasel (just like Pocket and Hello). timthelion, install `reportbug` and walk through the bug reporting process: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 18:30.28 | jhutchins | I think it would be more appropriate to join one of the development mailing lists. |
| 18:30.32 | samurailink3 | Pocket and Hello were removed from Iceweasel, I believe these ads are among the same lines, they shouldn't be included by default. |
| 18:30.35 | timthelion | samurailink3: Is that the best way to get a discussion going about it? I think that there needs to be a broder community conversation. |
| 18:30.54 | jhutchins | samurailink3: There are tools available to block ads. |
| 18:30.56 | timthelion | samurailink3: Like for example, the atom text editor is integrated with github, but it is open source, is that OK with debian? |
| 18:31.00 | samurailink3 | timthelion: Well, that page does show the Debian user mailing list, that's really where discussions happen. |
| 18:31.16 | greycat | timthelion: what does "integrated" mean? |
| 18:31.30 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: On pages, yes, but this isn't a web page, this is part of the browser chrome. ublock and the others do not function against the browser chrome itself, only on DOM elements. |
| 18:31.41 | timthelion | greycat: Most of it's functionality has to do with directly interacting with the github service(pull requests, issues, ect) |
| 18:31.58 | jhutchins | I'll bet adblock pro will take care of it. |
| 18:32.20 | greycat | jhutchins: I'll bet pressing Ctrl-T and then clicking the gear and then clicking "Blank" will take care of it. |
| 18:32.37 | mtn | that is too easy |
| 18:32.46 | greycat | Yeah, what am I thinking? |
| 18:32.47 | samurailink3 | greycat: It will, but so will dragging the Pocket icon off of Iceweasel, and it was decided that even that was too much. |
| 18:32.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | adblock is the most bloated solution i can think of. |
| 18:33.00 | samurailink3 | I think the issue here is consistency. |
| 18:33.13 | samurailink3 | Why pull Pocket and Hello, but leave ads in the browser chrome? |
| 18:33.30 | greycat | No, the issue here is that the world is changing and a lot of you, younger folks, are just starting to feel the passage of time and the changing of the world now. |
| 18:33.43 | mtn | samurailink3: because users should be smart enough to turn it off if offended? |
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| 18:34.41 | samurailink3 | mtn: Why did we chose Debian over Windows? Shouldn't we be smart enough to figure out the operating system that came with our computers? |
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| 18:34.43 | timthelion | greycat: What do you mean by "the world is changing"? |
| 18:34.52 | samurailink3 | I think the point is, things can be better, so they should be. |
| 18:35.17 | samurailink3 | timthelion: Send an email to: debian-user@lists.debian.org. Include a link to a screenshot of the ads so it's easy to understand what you're talking about. |
| 18:35.18 | greycat | timthelion: Be prepared for the next paradigm shift, where everything is served from "the cloud" and is full of ads, and making the software free won't fix it. |
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| 18:35.45 | jhutchins | Advertising is legitimate content. |
| 18:35.54 | timthelion | greycat: that's why I use debian, and that's why I am working on subuser.org . To create an alternative to that new cloud paradigm |
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| 18:36.17 | samurailink3 | timthelion: I don't think this IRC discussion is going to get you anywhere, an email to the user list should be enough to get the conversation started. |
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| 18:36.32 | jhutchins | timthelion: How would you replace the revenue that Mozilla gets from those ads? |
| 18:36.37 | ie | in this case, i think if the iceweasel team just made 'blank' the default for new tabs, some of these discussions would be moot. |
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| 18:36.56 | samurailink3 | ie: This is accurate. |
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| 18:37.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: are you this concerned when the ads being blocked aren't used to fund foss projects? |
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| 18:39.03 | jhutchins | My, look at this, instructions on how to turn it off: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/hide-or-display-sites-new-tab-page |
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| 18:39.39 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I don't see any reason for Debian to take an anti-advertising position. |
| 18:39.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | i imagine his response will be that it should be off by default. |
| 18:39.50 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: You can turn them off. You can block them. |
| 18:39.58 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: No you can't block them. |
| 18:40.03 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: Yes you can turn them off. |
| 18:40.12 | squinty | is always peaved that about:config browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll; is set as False but he is old and matured enough to change it after installing Firefox/Iceweasel to True |
| 18:40.26 | jhutchins | samurailink3: More than one way to block ads. A co-worker just rebuilt squid to block ads over ssl. |
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| 18:41.11 | greycat | squinty: wait... you actually WANT it to act like a stupid Microsoft Windows application and highlight the entire URL bar so that you have to click 2-3 times to get it into normal mode so you can Ctrl-K the part of the URL you don't want, instead of the whole thing? |
| 18:41.19 | jhutchins | Advertising is a fact of modern life. If it's not offensive or intrusive there's nothing wrong with it. Modern medial wouldn't exist without it. |
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| 18:42.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | jhutchins: that's a whole lot of subjective opinions. |
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| 18:42.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, deliberate vagueness. |
| 18:42.49 | greycat | Modern media maybe shouldn't exist. |
| 18:42.56 | mtn | heh |
| 18:43.05 | ie | haha |
| 18:43.16 | greycat | ("Modern media" means reality TV, right?) |
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| 18:43.20 | padawin | About that, see: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/about-tiles-new-tab |
| 18:43.28 | squinty | greycat, yep. actually I do not consider ms programs to be stupid for the most part. each has it's place and yes I do prefer the single click :-) |
| 18:43.51 | ie | hasn't owned a television set for years |
| 18:44.03 | samurailink3 | Debian needs to ban X11 and all graphical applications to rid ourselves of this modern media! /sarcasm |
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| 18:44.13 | padawin | Mozilla isn't definitely one of the companies I'd boycott by blocking ads; they're not intrusive, so I don't mind them. |
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| 18:44.28 | jhutchins | greycat: It's true of print, radio, tv, movies, and the interwebs. |
| 18:44.38 | samurailink3 | padawin: That's a respectful position, but I'm not sure that choice should be a default. |
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| 18:45.19 | TandyUK | im with the group that say ban all ads and put the entire advertising industry out of business |
| 18:45.30 | jhutchins | samurailink3: The thing is if they don't make it the default, people are unlikely to seek it out. If they do make it the default, some will follow the ads, some will ignore them, and some will turn them off. |
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| 18:47.19 | samurailink3 | jhutchins: That is true, there is a "tryanny of the default" that happens. Which is why I suggested the user list discussion, it's a far bigger issue than we can solve in IRC. |
| 18:47.45 | samurailink3 | The right answer may be to allow it by default. I personally don't believe that, but I may be wrong. |
| 18:48.06 | ie | a survery of iceweasel users for their preference might be revealing. |
| 18:48.53 | ie | survey* |
| 18:49.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | are iceweasel users cognizent of the inevitable backlash resulting from an ad-hostile default setting? |
| 18:49.11 | samurailink3 | ie: That would be interesting, but I'm not sure that's a very scientific answer. I don't know of anyone who would answer "Yes, give me ads", or at least a sizable percentage. |
| 18:49.21 | padawin | exactly |
| 18:49.33 | samurailink3 | NoImNotNineVolt: probably not, but iceweasel users don't account for much of the internet. |
| 18:49.40 | padawin | if anyone asks me if I like ads, the answer will be "obviously not" |
| 18:49.45 | samurailink3 | Neither do users of ad blocking software. |
| 18:49.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | samurailink3: so you're saying we should rush headfirst into this tragedy of the commons? :P |
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| 18:50.18 | padawin | I do like Mozilla and Firefox, and their policies regarding ads seem to be responsible to me |
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| 18:50.25 | padawin | and I want them to live on |
| 18:50.51 | samurailink3 | NoImNotNineVolt: No, but I do think a more nuanced approach should be explored. Right now we have two extremes, both of which cause annoyance and pain to one side or the other. The solution may be "responsible advertising", which Mozilla seems to practice. |
| 18:51.15 | padawin | OTOH, I have adblock, but I also accept ads from sites I "respect" (when I remember to do so - which is why I get the reason it's the default behavior) |
| 18:51.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's too complicated for my tastes. not easily defined in any explicit way. i prefer absolutes, they're much easier. |
| 18:51.31 | TandyUK | theres a 3rd choice, block all ads by default, except for those on a 'responsible' whitelist |
| 18:51.35 | samurailink3 | padawin: I completely agree. |
| 18:51.42 | samurailink3 | TandyUK: Yep |
| 18:51.49 | TandyUK | but personally i prefer just block them all and save me screen space and bandwidth |
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| 18:52.08 | samurailink3 | I block all ads that aren't whitelisted. |
| 18:52.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | by going the 'responsible' route, you're just kicking the can further down the road, outsourcing the hard part (who defined "responsible? how?) to a third party. |
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| 18:52.51 | samurailink3 | NoImNotNineVolt: Oh, I don't know what "Responsible" advertising looks like, I only know what "Irresponsible" advertising looks like. |
| 18:52.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | TandyUK: if everyone did that, ad-supported sites couldn't exist the way they do now. |
| 18:52.55 | TandyUK | if there was some plugin for pfsense/suricata/etc that allowed me to strip all ads in transit (similar to adblockplus) then Id be enabling it on all my networks (about 1000 users) in a heartbeat |
| 18:53.04 | padawin | I have a very high respect for Mozilla, I believe they do great software and I question myself how they can afford it |
| 18:53.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | samurailink3: exactly. that seems ripe for abuse. i prefer clearly-defined solutions to hand-wavey ones like that. |
| 18:53.12 | TandyUK | NoImNotNineVolt: thats not my problem, thats their problem to adapt |
| 18:53.17 | samurailink3 | javascript popups, invasive tracking, auto-playing videos <= irresponsible |
| 18:53.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | TandyUK: it would be your problem if they chose to adapt by closing up shop. |
| 18:53.38 | TandyUK | how is that actually a problem? |
| 18:53.48 | padawin | I have a similar feeling regarding reddit - they, too, have ads funding them, but other sources too, like reddit gold |
| 18:53.51 | TandyUK | someone else with a better idea of how to generate revenue would rapidly take their place |
| 18:53.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, presumably by using ad-supported sites, you find the services they provide to be valuable. |
| 18:54.01 | samurailink3 | Closing up shop is the nature of capitalism, ruthless as it is. |
| 18:54.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | it would be a problem because you'd be denied something you find valuable. |
| 18:54.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's sad that i needed to spell that part out for you. |
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| 18:54.21 | samurailink3 | TechCrunch made a shift years ago, they put on training and conferences now. |
| 18:54.22 | TandyUK | Survival of the fittest applies to companies just as much as everywhere else |
| 18:54.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | and since you use these sites, presumably you find them to be more fit than their ad-free alternatives. |
| 18:54.53 | TandyUK | NoImNotNineVolt: but you havent actually got *ny* evidence of what this valuble thing i'd be denied is |
| 18:55.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | TandyUK: the fact that you use ad-supported sites is evidence that you find them valuable. |
| 18:55.22 | padawin | TandyUK: you can't strip ads in transit in HTTPS pages. You can block their hosts, though. |
| 18:55.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | you've voted with your wallet, so to speak. |
| 18:55.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | and if you didn't use ad-supported sites, you wouldn't be directly concerned with ad-blocking. |
| 18:55.59 | TandyUK | hold on, just because google ranks a page with ads on it, which i may visit does NOT mean that I find that website to be in any way valuble |
| 18:56.14 | TandyUK | I block ads primarily bcause they are a viral entry point into networks |
| 18:56.32 | TandyUK | think of all the old flash mouseover and boom youre infected types from a few years back |
| 18:56.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i block ads because i'm an asshole, but this doesn't need to turn into a discussion into justifying our behavior. |
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| 18:57.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you feel that you using a site doesn't imply that you find said site valuable, i see no reason to continue this conversation. either way, it's quite offtopic at this point. |
| 18:57.40 | ie | i look at ad and popup blocking as a routine general security measure. |
| 18:57.43 | TandyUK | i think you need to define 'using a site' a bit more clearly |
| 18:58.07 | TandyUK | I dont use any ad-supported sites on a regular basis |
| 18:58.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | do you auto-unblock all ads on a site after the first visit? that should cover your "i was only checking it out from a search results page" use case... |
| 18:58.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i didn't think so. |
| 18:58.40 | TandyUK | no, i have all ads permanently blocked, irrespective of where they come from |
| 18:59.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | point made. either way, i'm in -offtopic if you feel the urge to continue :P |
| 18:59.04 | TandyUK | if the ad-serviing CDN is on my list, or the code itself looks even *potentially* Ad-like, its blocked by default |
| 18:59.31 | TandyUK | and only if a page actually fails to render, and im sure it might actually be useful will i even consider turning the ad-blocker off |
| 18:59.43 | TandyUK | more than liekly, i'll just hit back and go to the next search result in the list |
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| 19:16.59 | blurkis | In debian testing, when I close the lid on my laptop, it suspends.. sort of, but will not wake up when i open it. Is there some place to read up on this problem..? |
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| 19:17.21 | abferm | Has anyone else ever had issues installing python with debootstrap? It works fine on my main machine, but when I try on others I see an error about python-minimal not being configured. When it fails dpkg seems to be confused about the state of python-minimal, because before it has the pre-dependency error it says it is already installed and is skipping it. |
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| 19:21.00 | timthelion | blurkis: You need to do a few things, first off, you need to figure out what the acpi lid switch is configured to do. You either do this by looking at settings(if using gnome or xfce or some other fancy DE) or /proc/acpi |
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| 19:21.27 | timthelion | blurkis: You also need to figure out if you can switch to a TTY using CTRL-ALT-F1 or not |
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| 19:22.00 | timthelion | blurkis: If you cannot, then you need to hard power down your system, and then look at the kernel logs in /var/log |
| 19:22.07 | abferm | Is there any way to make sure python-minimal gets configured before python? Shouldn't dpkg take care of that? |
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| 19:24.12 | blurkis | timthelion, if i cant get a tty, the logs will tell me something about what went wrong? |
| 19:24.24 | trickshotjohnny | abferm: Depends on a package only ensures that it's installed first. Pre-Depends requires that it's installed and configured. |
| 19:24.51 | trickshotjohnny | I'm not sure if there's a way to overlay a Pre-Depends outside of a source package re-build, though. there may be some way to tinker with the apt config to do so, though. |
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| 19:25.48 | abferm | trickshotjohnny: it is odd, on my main machine python-minimal always gets configured first. |
| 19:27.00 | trickshotjohnny | what is the side effect that is causing your problem? what symptoms do you see? |
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| 19:29.33 | abferm | dpkg fails, causing debootstrap to fail |
| 19:29.34 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, abferm |
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| 19:30.45 | abferm | dpkg... what an unfortunate nick, unless you want to get notified every time someone mentions it... |
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| 19:32.54 | abrotman | abferm: it's a bot ... |
| 19:33.09 | abferm | Now that I'm thinking about it the problem may be limited to a specific version. It works on Jessie amd64, but I've seen it fail on both jessie amd64 and ubuntu amd64 |
| 19:33.43 | abferm | abrotman: oh... that looked a little odd for a response from a bot. |
| 19:34.13 | blurkis | timthelion, im running gnome and it doesnt have suspend settings in power settings :( |
| 19:34.30 | greycat | abferm: it's one of the "I can't parse what you just said" responses. |
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| 19:35.44 | abrotman | dpkg: how are you today |
| 19:35.44 | dpkg | abrotman: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | dpkg: whine |
| 19:35.51 | dpkg | well, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 19:39.07 | timthelion | blurkis: I don't know gnome, sorry. if you are lucky, you will see something in the logs, but you are not always lucky :P |
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| 19:47.17 | timthelion | samurailink3: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00138.html |
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| 19:55.17 | abferm | I'm using my machine-id as my hostname. Is there any way to shorten the hostname in the command prompt across all users? I was thinking about modifying .bashrc, but it looks like I would have to edit it for every user. |
| 19:55.55 | xand | what do you mean machine-id? |
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| 19:58.13 | teraflops | 6de915e3bf294570ad3b110837ad2ef7 xD |
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| 20:03.38 | teraflops | albru123: first google hit. http://serverfault.com/questions/545215/change-ps1-value-for-all-bash-users |
| 20:03.46 | greycat | ewwwww. |
| 20:03.48 | abferm | xand: cat /etc/machine-id |
| 20:04.05 | xand | poor hostname choice. |
| 20:04.08 | teraflops | oh, i meant abferm |
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| 20:05.30 | greycat | why are you putting interactive shell users on a box without a real hostname? |
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| 20:08.44 | abferm | greycat: I deploy lots of machines, and I want guarranteed unique hostnames. Also, they should only ever be logged into by a person when there is an issue. |
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| 20:09.24 | greycat | Then there is no need to pretty-ify the prompt. |
| 20:09.36 | greycat | The person diagnosing the issue can type PS1='...' herself. |
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| 20:10.15 | greycat | Plus she'll be logging in as root anyway, so there would be no need to fix anyone's prompt but root's. |
| 20:10.56 | abferm | teraflops: Great, I din't realize the user specific files were ignored if that was found! |
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| 20:11.57 | teraflops | abferm: you can genereate random numbers anyway with fixed size hehe |
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| 20:12.44 | abferm | teraflops: yes, but the more there are the less likely I have a collision. |
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| 20:13.44 | abferm | oops, I read that wrong, it still reads the others... |
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| 20:14.32 | iio7 | Have just upgraded a box from jessie to testing. Having problems with systemd policykit1, http://pastebin.com/BPwXwtyT, no matter what service I am dealing with. How do I solve that? |
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| 20:16.03 | iio7 | Also getting "Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)", during some apt-get install. |
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| 20:16.48 | teraflops | abferm: as in you are deploying said 1x10ⶠmachines ...? |
| 20:17.22 | ewew | iio7 Try asking #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:17.33 | iio7 | ewew, thanks. |
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| 20:20.50 | abferm | teraflops: not yet, but the plan is to have thousands out there |
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| 20:36.02 | jhutchins | abferm: man cut |
| 20:36.13 | jhutchins | abferm: There is a central bashrc. |
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| 20:36.56 | greycat | In Debian, there is. In bash in general, no. |
| 20:37.17 | greycat | Debian's /etc/bash.bashrc (or whatever it's called) is a special Debian "feature". |
| 20:37.40 | abferm | jhutchins: Even when I edit the central bashrc I still get whatever is set in ~/.bashrc |
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| 20:37.59 | greycat | Of course you do. Thank god. That lets users undo the damage their idiotic sysadmins did in /etc. |
| 20:38.28 | abferm | jhutchins: I was honestly planning on just dropping the @\h |
| 20:39.04 | abferm | greycat: but what use are those files if they aren't actually used? |
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| 20:39.35 | ewew | It should be what sysadmin set it stays that way. |
| 20:39.47 | greycat | ewew: this is not the unix philosophy. |
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| 20:40.02 | greycat | The unix philosophy is a total anarchy of super-intelligent users each doing their own thing. |
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| 20:40.35 | ewew | What about security ? Or in the world nodoby cares ? |
| 20:40.41 | greycat | What about it? |
| 20:40.55 | greycat | Why are you trying to control the user experience and label it "security"? |
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| 20:41.12 | Atm0spher1c | There is no such thing as security |
| 20:41.15 | greycat | If the user wants to make their prompt just a single "?" character, who are you to stop them? |
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| 20:41.33 | abferm | greaycat: Is there a way to set the default that the user configs are based on before they are created? |
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| 20:41.39 | greycat | abferm: /etc/skel/* |
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| 20:41.53 | abferm | That is what I needed |
| 20:42.18 | timthelion | In this case, there would be no security advantage, as the user can trivially launch bash(or any other shell) as a login shell and read whatever config file they want. |
| 20:42.18 | ewew | example some exploit changes PATH=/tmp/:$PATH and put there malicious code. Maybe something like SETUID binary ? |
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| 20:42.37 | greycat | ewew: A user cannot create a setuid-to-root binary because they don't have superuser privileges in the first place. |
| 20:43.04 | greycat | ewew: and if the user changes their own PATH to something insecure because they read it on a google searched web page, well, you can't stop them. |
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| 20:43.33 | greycat | ewew: but john's stupid change to his own .bash_profile does not affect Susan |
| 20:45.08 | ewew | you can lock it with readonly or use pam_env. |
| 20:45.15 | greycat | Why? |
| 20:45.49 | greycat | Why are you even letting these users HAVE a shell if you are just going to nanny them to the point where they can't do anything? |
| 20:46.26 | ewew | Human factor. |
| 20:46.35 | greycat | Which means what? That you are a control freak? |
| 20:46.42 | abferm | I am one of very few people that would ever log into these machines, I just want a clean default that won't get in my way. |
| 20:47.57 | ewew | Why then are information leaks in the world ? |
| 20:48.05 | greycat | You are. I see. Carry on. |
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| 20:48.36 | ewew | You think i am a lunatic ? |
| 20:48.43 | greycat | I think you are a control freak. |
| 20:49.39 | trickshotjohnny | if you want that level of control, just don't give them shell access. |
| 20:49.46 | greycat | Agreed. |
| 20:50.22 | ewew | sftp does not like shell setting like /bin/false or /bin/rbash. |
| 20:50.42 | trickshotjohnny | why would you let them sftp anything to the box if you don't trust them with shell access? |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | You can configure openssh to permit internal sftp only. Ask #openssh for details. |
| 20:51.15 | trickshotjohnny | also, there's an scponly shell you can use |
| 20:51.19 | greycat | scp is crap |
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| 20:52.08 | ewew | they can not run commands that will effect system. Also ssh has internal-sftp. So here is no problem. Chroot requires dev flag on home fs. |
| 20:52.30 | ewew | because devices "/dev/null,/dev/zero and so on." |
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| 20:52.39 | trickshotjohnny | ok, I see where this is going. I come up with an answer, and you come up with another, more restrictive use case. if you need help with ssh, try #openssh |
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| 20:53.28 | ewew | okay. I will stop this. This is offtopic on this channel. Sorry for the spam. |
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| 20:54.43 | foul_owl | What's a good window manager/desktop env for folks who want something close to windows xp? |
| 20:55.28 | ewew | foul_owl I think kde but i am not using it. |
| 20:55.30 | foul_owl | I tried giving em gnome 3 but it was rejected as difficult to use. Plus listing applications list ALL the applications, including random system binaries a new user does not want to see |
| 20:55.57 | greycat | I think xfce is popular for people who are non-technical and want things to just work. |
| 20:56.15 | foul_owl | Yes the target here is non technical folks |
| 20:56.26 | ewew | debian 7 or debian 8 |
| 20:56.30 | foul_owl | Debian 8 |
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| 20:58.00 | nodauf | hi |
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| 20:58.15 | t4nk549 | Hi when I do apt-get install ghc (Haskell compiler) on Debian 8 jessie, I got this error : update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/runghc doesn't exist .. dpkg: error processing package ghc (--configure): .. |
| 20:58.30 | ewew | foul_owl In gnome you can change settings of the menu. |
| 20:58.52 | greycat | I'm betting his users don't want to have to configure things in a menu. |
| 20:59.01 | ewew | t4nk549 Run apt-get update. |
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| 20:59.13 | ewew | greycat Just a suggestion. |
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| 20:59.39 | t4nk549 | ewew: I did , still same error when trying to install ghc |
| 20:59.43 | greycat | I've never heard of a non-technical user liking GNOME. |
| 20:59.46 | greycat | Ever. |
| 20:59.47 | foul_owl | I'll definitely try seeing if I can configure gnome 3 to work a bit better for users coming from windows xp |
| 20:59.55 | foul_owl | But if not, xfce looks pretty damn good |
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| 21:00.09 | sixyod | cinnamon ;d |
| 21:00.16 | sixyod | personaly, i perfer i3 mates |
| 21:00.27 | ewew | t4nk549 Debian 7 or debian 8 ? |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | ewew: he said jessie |
| 21:00.50 | t4nk549 | ewew: 8 |
| 21:01.04 | greycat | in fact he said "Debian 8 jessie" |
| 21:01.17 | sixyod | could this be related to just not having ghc installed? |
| 21:01.22 | sixyod | apt-get install ghc? |
| 21:01.34 | greycat | 16:58 t4nk549> Hi when I do apt-get install ghc |
| 21:01.35 | t4nk549 | sixyod: apt-get install ghc gives that error |
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| 21:01.50 | greycat | It's like you're not even reading the question. |
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| 21:02.21 | Rudde | Hello |
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| 21:03.43 | ewew | t4nk549 I will try to install it in my vbox debian |
| 21:04.12 | sixyod | ooops |
| 21:04.37 | sixyod | for some reason i read it like you were installing another application not ghc directly, my bad.. |
| 21:05.01 | t4nk549 | ewew: ok let me know if it works on your box |
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| 21:06.36 | ewew | t4nk549 In debian without GUI it work. Next i am checking if it work in GUI. |
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| 21:07.37 | t4nk549 | ewew: hm ok thanks, so something's wrong with my box then. |
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| 21:07.45 | ewew | Wait |
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| 21:08.11 | t4nk549 | ewew: you're using jessie right ? |
| 21:08.27 | ewew | Not yet. Preparing to upgrade. |
| 21:09.12 | ewew | Do you have anything unusual installed ? |
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| 21:11.33 | t4nk549 | ewew: no, not that I know of. |
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| 21:12.09 | ewew | Look at dmesg. |
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| 21:14.09 | ewew | In gui it works. Maybe because it is relatively freesh installation. |
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| 21:15.23 | humitos | hello, does anybody know how to remove all the leases from dnsmasq? |
| 21:15.38 | humitos | I mean, forget all the leases and start counting again |
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| 21:15.53 | t4nk549 | ewew: This seems to be jessie specific, I have no problem installing it in wheezy |
| 21:16.14 | ewew | How come i can install it in debian jessie ? |
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| 21:18.09 | t4nk549 | ewew: Not sure, probably I have some other installed packages that messed up with that (note that my box is pure Jessie, I don't do mix packages) |
| 21:19.07 | ewew | t4nk549 Check the bug reports on debian website. |
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| 21:19.49 | mayui | WELCOME BACK WANGDANG |
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| 21:25.57 | kxb901 | so the minitube in debian is broken. the developer's website has .debs you can install that work, but the latest one requires qt5 when i have qt4. anyone know where i can get the 2.4 deb, which works with qt4? |
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| 21:26.14 | g2nightmare | anyone know why i snort isn't part of kali linux |
| 21:26.16 | g2nightmare | or am i doing this wrong |
| 21:29.11 | allizom | g2nightmare: kali is not supported here |
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| 21:49.41 | otyugh | Hey. I've a question regarding managing a computer room : is there tools to "share" the network in a way that no one with an heavy download would run the global latency, but also permiting to download with no static limit |
| 21:50.13 | otyugh | does this exists on debian or it is more something that would exist on distro oriented router ? |
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| 21:51.02 | paxcoder | so are there any hacks to get a license of a package without downloading (the whole package)? |
| 21:51.21 | otyugh | paxcoder: apt-cache show <package> |
| 21:51.31 | otyugh | or using synaptic |
| 21:51.48 | paxcoder | otyugh: apt-cache doesn't show the license |
| 21:51.57 | otyugh | hueeee, you sure ? |
| 21:52.19 | paxcoder | pretty sure, that's why i'm asking |
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| 21:53.06 | defacer | Rodrigo N. Hernandez |
| 21:53.44 | defacer | Al3xG0: vc por aki |
| 21:53.52 | Rudde | What is the best tool to use if I want to run a few KVM vm's on vanilla debian for development and testing? |
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| 21:54.50 | trickshotjohnny | Rudde: virt-manager |
| 21:54.56 | smile2222 | hello |
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| 21:55.31 | smile2222 | how will I can make the monitor screen see 100% debian install steps? |
| 21:55.50 | otyugh | paxcoder: erh. You seem right. In archlinux it's quite easier :/ |
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| 21:56.40 | Rudde | trickshotjohnny: I don't have a GUI on the server running them |
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| 21:58.11 | smile3333 | need help? |
| 21:58.26 | paxcoder | is there a server with unpacked .debs perhaps? i need just the copyright file of multiple archives, to find out the license |
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| 22:01.10 | otyugh | paxcoder: why not unpack the .deb by yourself ? apt-get download package; dpkg-deb -x package.deb . ? |
| 22:01.16 | allizom | paxcoder: open a page like this one https://packages.debian.org/jessie/iceweasel then click on Copyright file |
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| 22:02.08 | otyugh | Strange that debian does not require a clearer specification of the licencing into apt-get :/ |
| 22:02.22 | otyugh | Looks like crucial point to me oO |
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| 22:02.55 | jelly | paxcoder: https://sources.debian.net/ |
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| 22:03.26 | jelly | oh, you want just debian/copyright |
| 22:04.02 | smile3333 | how will I can make the monitor screen see 100% install steps? |
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| 22:04.24 | smile3333 | i start install-try debian from dvd and see only 50%, and cannot continue install |
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| 22:05.52 | SuperTramp83 | smile3333: your question isn't much clear. Which GPU do you have? |
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| 22:06.27 | paxcoder | jelly: no, that's what i meant. but if you can get me just the license name string, that would be even better |
| 22:07.58 | paxcoder | jelly: debian/copyright is close :) |
| 22:08.20 | smile3333 | i start try-install debian8.2 dvd aand, install screen is 50% |
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| 22:08.25 | paxcoder | jelly: what's with dep5? |
| 22:09.22 | jelly | paxcoder: good luck herding DDs |
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| 22:10.27 | paxcoder | jelly: sorry, DDs? |
| 22:10.48 | jelly | !DD |
| 22:10.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 22:11.01 | jelly | the former |
| 22:11.06 | len___ | Hello. I noticed that when i install the proprietary nvidia drivers i can adjust the brightness with my mbp. Dont want to install the drivers this time. How can i make (xfce4-power-manager) Debian handle the brightness with these keys? Sound keys work fine. |
| 22:11.42 | paxcoder | jelly: so the format is there, it's just that everyone's ignoring it? |
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| 22:11.59 | jelly | paxcoder: not everyone, but... |
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| 22:12.21 | jelly | seems to be a wip |
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| 22:13.42 | paxcoder | jelly: thanks for the help |
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| 22:14.24 | len___ | Anyone? |
| 22:14.35 | len___ | USing jessie xfce |
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| 22:15.25 | len___ | Maybe its just telling the xfce4-power-manager to listen to what my integrated card is doing instead of the nvidia one. |
| 22:15.29 | len___ | Dont know... |
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| 22:16.54 | paxcoder | len___: there's an #xfce in case it really is their issue, but i doubt it |
| 22:17.08 | len___ | paxcoder: What could it be? |
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| 22:17.27 | paxcoder | len___: lack of driver support i'd say |
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| 22:18.18 | len___ | Mmmm. With trisquel it worked fine. Trisquel doesnt use any proprietary driver but uses gnome-fallback |
| 22:18.45 | paxcoder | Sadly multimedia is proprietary software's domain after all these years. HW manufacturers are to blame. |
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| 22:20.09 | paxcoder | len___: I'd try #xfce then. |
| 22:21.09 | len___ | paxcoder: No one answers |
| 22:21.28 | len___ | Dont think it will be a hard solution. |
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| 22:22.55 | len___ | I can change the brightness by editing this file manually sudo nano /sys/class/backlight/gmux_backlight/brightness |
| 22:23.32 | otyugh | len___: ask for professionnal support and pay the price if you require instant responses. If not lurking on IRC and having luck is a way, doing a ticket to the project you think it is related, or just posting on a forum or using a mailing list. Just try some eventually :o |
| 22:24.02 | len___ | otyugh: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 22:26.52 | paxcoder | len___: if you can do it manually, write a script to increment/decrement (depending on the argument), then map keys to calling it with the correct arguments |
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| 22:27.20 | len___ | paxcoder: Great!! Does it have to be a shell script? |
| 22:27.28 | len___ | How do i do it? |
| 22:27.54 | paxcoder | len___: except it'll require privileges :/ |
| 22:27.59 | len___ | Can i associate it with xfce4-power-manager? |
| 22:28.04 | len___ | paxcoder: Im root. |
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| 22:28.47 | paxcoder | len___: you should've noticed by now i have no idea where the disconnect between the hw and the software is, i can only offer you a hack |
| 22:29.03 | len___ | paxcoder: Ok. |
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| 22:31.33 | paxcoder | len___: hmm another problem is that that's a virtual file, not sure you could eg. replace it with a symlink to one you own |
| 22:32.18 | len___ | How did the trisquel developers do it? Or was it because it was gnome? |
| 22:32.34 | paxcoder | also if you just make yourself the owner of the virtual, not sure you'll stay the owner on the next reboot |
| 22:32.46 | paxcoder | len___: it was because it was gnome i reckon |
| 22:33.05 | paxcoder | that's why the best thing would be to get an answer from #xfce |
| 22:33.26 | otyugh | but it's not very populated |
| 22:34.28 | squinty | https://forum.xfce.org/ |
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| 22:34.41 | otyugh | this would probably work better indeed |
| 22:34.49 | paxcoder | len___: there's a program called xbacklight that you could install, then call from your script |
| 22:35.39 | paxcoder | len___: in fact it has an -inc and a -dec option, you don't even need a script |
| 22:35.45 | len___ | paxcoder: Yes, would like to keep my system as minimal as possible. I know theres a way to do it natively since xfce has the function. |
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| 22:39.01 | otyugh | I hope you wont have "~$ xbacklight -get |
| 22:39.01 | otyugh | No outputs have backlight property" |
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| 22:39.30 | paxcoder | otyugh: he can change it in gnome he said, so.. |
| 22:39.50 | otyugh | maybe there is embedded hacks into thoses. I dunno :o |
| 22:40.06 | paxcoder | otyugh: if you have that problem, you can, poor man's replacement is xrandr, but ... it's poor |
| 22:40.21 | paxcoder | i can sentences |
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| 22:54.10 | ryouma | otyugh: what causes that xbacklight results? bad monitor? bad video card? |
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| 23:02.25 | otyugh | ryouma: I'm just using very specific hardware : arm device with a sunxi driver. The resolution and stuff is hardcoded somewhere. I don't know much what standard there is normally and why it does not fit there. |
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