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| 00:12.31 | Atm0spher1c | I can't find package python-livereload after install |
| 00:13.21 | dvs | ,v python-livereload |
| 00:13.22 | judd | Package: python-livereload on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.4.0-1; stretch: 2.4.0-1 |
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| 00:13.51 | Atm0spher1c | What I mean is I install it, and cant run it, there is no livereload command |
| 00:15.06 | dvs | Atm0spher1c: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/livereload/livereload.js |
| 00:15.45 | Atm0spher1c | hmm |
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| 00:17.04 | squinty | sudo updatedb && locate python-livereload should point you to potential docs |
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| 00:19.36 | Atm0spher1c | I downloaded docs, which are the same as github docs. It says it has a command line interface. This is fun |
| 00:20.10 | Atm0spher1c | might just install from pip |
| 00:21.03 | themill | Atm0spher1c: you want python3-livereload for the commandline utility |
| 00:21.49 | Atm0spher1c | themill: awesome, thanks |
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| 01:25.28 | paperdigits | what is the error Thinkey ? |
| 01:25.55 | Thinkey | GPA error |
| 01:26.17 | Thinkey | the gpgme libary returned an unexpected error at keytable.c:150 |
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| 01:26.26 | Thinkey | error was: Unknown option |
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| 01:28.04 | Thinkey | ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling gpa and gnupg and gnupg 2 |
| 01:28.14 | Thinkey | doesnt seem to make a difference |
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| 01:44.03 | bazhang | !lsb |
| 01:44.03 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 01:44.17 | bazhang | time to change that one |
| 01:44.56 | maazu | bazhang: really dropping lsb from debian? |
| 01:45.56 | bazhang | yep |
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| 01:46.19 | maazu | i read slashdot article today |
| 01:46.44 | paperdigits | Thinkey: can you start gpa with the command gpa --disable-x509 |
| 01:47.23 | Thinkey | yeppers |
| 01:47.31 | Thinkey | no error |
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| 01:48.23 | paperdigits | Thinkey: so then good? |
| 01:48.41 | Thinkey | can i fix it? |
| 01:48.47 | Thinkey | or do i need to always type it in? |
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| 01:50.10 | paperdigits | do you usually launch it from the menu? |
| 01:50.59 | Thinkey | no i'm in crunchbang so its not in the menu |
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| 01:51.07 | Thinkey | but i'm adding it now with the disable part in it |
| 01:51.11 | Thinkey | would that be ok? |
| 01:51.25 | paperdigits | doesn't openbox offer you a right-click app menu? |
| 01:51.40 | Thinkey | yeah, thats what i have to add it to manually |
| 01:51.49 | Thinkey | its not default in the menu |
| 01:51.50 | paperdigits | ok yeah, that should work |
| 01:51.54 | Thinkey | kk cool |
| 01:51.56 | Thinkey | thanks |
| 01:52.00 | paperdigits | yw |
| 01:52.01 | Thinkey | i imported my key fine |
| 01:52.05 | Thinkey | so it shoudl |
| 01:52.07 | Thinkey | should be ok |
| 01:52.16 | paperdigits | yeah I think x509 is not a supported certificate type anymore |
| 01:52.27 | bazhang | crunchbang is no longer developed nor supported anywhere |
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| 01:52.58 | Thinkey | its..some variation |
| 01:53.09 | Thinkey | cruchbang## or something |
| 01:53.17 | bazhang | not supported on #debian either |
| 01:53.19 | Thinkey | im running a old netbook so i have to go light |
| 01:53.53 | bazhang | netinstall of debian and lxde is lighter |
| 01:54.14 | paperdigits | debian and i3 is even lighter than that |
| 01:54.22 | bazhang | sure |
| 01:54.29 | bazhang | plus you get support |
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| 01:55.22 | Thinkey | i was running linux mint on it for ages, but it was far too slow |
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| 01:56.28 | paperdigits | you don't even need X, just use emacs from a tty and you're good, right? |
| 01:57.01 | Thinkey | lol |
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| 01:58.10 | bazhang | erc is the emacs irc client |
| 01:58.39 | bazhang | ,v erc |
| 01:58.40 | judd | Package: erc on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.3-1; stretch: 5.3-1; jessie: 5.3-1; sid: 5.3-1; wheezy: 5.3-1 |
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| 01:59.52 | edju | Running Wheezy. A few days ago, update began to hang for about three minutes at "[Connecting to security.debian.org (bunch of numbers)][Conneting to http.debian.org (bunch of numbers)]. Same thing happens on upgrade - took 3 minutes to download linux-libc-dev. There is no such slowness on, e.g., downloads from the bank, or files from the web, or mail. Also, connecting here to Freenode takes few minutes. Any pointers, hints |
| 01:59.52 | edju | , etc., appreciated. |
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| 02:00.30 | paperdigits | edju: read your logs |
| 02:00.40 | paperdigits | check that your dns is fresh |
| 02:00.49 | paperdigits | and try and traceroute to security.debain.org |
| 02:00.56 | edju | Perhaps I should add that no h=hangs from uchicago.edu. |
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| 02:31.15 | Caplain | lexic / # debootstrap --arch amd64 dapper /Zimbra http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu |
| 02:31.15 | Caplain | I: Retrieving Release |
| 02:31.15 | Caplain | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 02:31.26 | Caplain | except im reading the release file right here in front of me and |
| 02:31.43 | Caplain | MD5Sum: |
| 02:31.43 | Caplain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.43 | Caplain | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.44 | Caplain | so |
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| 02:31.53 | Caplain | what the heck?!?!? |
| 02:32.09 | bazhang | use pastebin |
| 02:32.26 | Caplain | ughhhh |
| 02:32.28 | Caplain | no |
| 02:32.30 | Caplain | just no |
| 02:32.36 | Caplain | im upset enough |
| 02:32.45 | Caplain | quitting smoking and trying to work with ubuntu/debian |
| 02:32.59 | Caplain | if you'll help me out then i guess if i have to |
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| 02:33.05 | quantic | tough, use pastebin. :P |
| 02:33.08 | Caplain | but debootstrap is lying |
| 02:33.19 | Caplain | quantic, you know what else is tough? using debian :( |
| 02:33.22 | Caplain | hold on... |
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| 02:33.59 | Caplain | quantic, bazhang http://pastebin.com/WfNX079B |
| 02:34.08 | Caplain | so what am i doing wrong here? |
| 02:34.13 | Caplain | the release file contains the entry |
| 02:34.18 | Caplain | so...like... |
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| 02:35.31 | Caplain | see? channel is dead. no point to use pastebin |
| 02:35.33 | quantic | Caplain: yeah, I see ubuntu all over that file, and dapper is... nine years old? |
| 02:35.47 | Caplain | quantic, pretend ive only used gentoo for the past 11 years... |
| 02:35.53 | quantic | Caplain: wait, you sat there for <60 seconds, and that's "dead" to you? |
| 02:35.54 | Caplain | so i should ask in ubuntu or? |
| 02:36.08 | Caplain | quantic, i idle here 24/7 and i scrolled up :) |
| 02:36.19 | quantic | Caplain: k. |
| 02:36.31 | Caplain | last message was 36 minutes ago |
| 02:36.32 | quantic | I don't support nine year old releases of ANYTHING, let alone Ubuntu. |
| 02:36.45 | Caplain | me either. im just trying to get zimbra installed |
| 02:36.51 | bazhang | the bot doesnt care about dead time, just flood |
| 02:36.52 | Caplain | and im about to cry :/ |
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| 02:37.05 | Caplain | bazhang, i know, that's why i ignored it. not my first day on freenode :) |
| 02:37.18 | bazhang | ,v zimbra |
| 02:37.19 | judd | No package named 'zimbra' was found in amd64. |
| 02:37.33 | quantic | Caplain: Well, I'm reading the sys reqs for the current version of Zimbra, and dapper is WAY old. |
| 02:37.51 | Caplain | yeah its one of those things where you untar something and run ./install and it does magic stuff |
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| 02:38.04 | gummibushing | Hi there |
| 02:38.06 | Caplain | ive tried ummm... etch and stretch and they had major dep issues |
| 02:38.22 | quantic | Caplain: Because Debian isn't supported. Ubuntu 14.04 is. Which is the current LTS. |
| 02:38.23 | Caplain | but i found another zimbra on gentoo guide that said use dapper |
| 02:38.52 | quantic | Caplain: https://files.zimbra.com/website/docs/8.6/ZCS_System_Requirements_8.6.0.pdf |
| 02:38.59 | Caplain | this guide im following must be old. yet ive never heard of zimbra...so either zimbra is 10 years old or their coders are silly billy |
| 02:39.38 | Caplain | oh my god i feel foolish |
| 02:39.53 | Caplain | this guide is ancient!!!!! heck it doesn't even use the latest version of zimbra...not even close |
| 02:40.08 | Caplain | im really sorry for bothering you guys. i was just so angry at the stupid error i got :/ |
| 02:40.11 | quantic | Caplain: Dude. dapper is from 2006. That should have said something right there. :P |
| 02:40.17 | Caplain | seriously, i shouldn't get that error zimbra or otherwise |
| 02:40.35 | bazhang | what does zimbra do |
| 02:40.36 | quantic | Caplain: I've done Zimbra deployments. They're cake. |
| 02:40.37 | Caplain | quantic, i dont debian. i gentoo. i dont know dapper from spongy or whatever lol |
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| 02:40.45 | Caplain | bazhang, open-xchange replacement |
| 02:40.52 | Caplain | open-xchange was hell to setup, too |
| 02:40.59 | bazhang | no idea what that is |
| 02:41.04 | gummibushing | I am trying to get bumblebee to work nouveau with GTX 960M on A MSI laptop but receive this error: http://pastebin.com/nDv2ZrcY. I followed the wiki page multiple times but can't seem to get it to work |
| 02:41.05 | Caplain | deployments on what? im doing one on a gentoo chroot |
| 02:41.07 | quantic | Caplain: I'd recommend working with something more sane than Gentoo, but that's just me. I used to use Gentoo, and then I realized how broken it was. |
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| 02:41.18 | Caplain | bazhang, open source version of microsoft exchange |
| 02:41.19 | gummibushing | I am running Debian Jessie |
| 02:41.24 | gummibushing | any advice is appreciated |
| 02:41.24 | quantic | bazhang: Exchange for people who don't want to pay MS. |
| 02:41.47 | bazhang | gummibushing, start with reading the debian wiki |
| 02:41.53 | bazhang | !wiki |
| 02:41.57 | Caplain | gentoo can be broken at times just like linux can be compared to windows...but 1. it's what i know and 2. i know how to work around the broken to make it work for me |
| 02:41.58 | gummibushing | oh I mentioned I already had up there! |
| 02:42.01 | Caplain | each to their own |
| 02:42.02 | quantic | Caplain: Bare metal, virtual appliances, that sort of thing. |
| 02:42.15 | quantic | Caplain: Learn something else. And by else I mean better. |
| 02:42.31 | Caplain | like what? ubuntu/debian? |
| 02:42.34 | quantic | Caplain: Debian/Ubuntu, RHEL/CentOS. |
| 02:42.39 | Caplain | i bet if i go into a centos channel they'll say use centos |
| 02:42.55 | Caplain | and if i join slackware they'll tell me to praise bob and use windows |
| 02:42.57 | Caplain | :D |
| 02:43.07 | quantic | Caplain: I support Ubuntu and RHEL/CentOS deployments of varying sizes. |
| 02:43.33 | Caplain | quantic, you just gave me an awesome idea. ill figure out how to zimbra on gentoo and ill write a new guide |
| 02:43.42 | quantic | Caplain: I'm out. |
| 02:43.45 | Caplain | lol |
| 02:43.47 | Caplain | okay |
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| 02:45.50 | gummibushing | Any other advice about bumblebee? |
| 02:46.01 | gummibushing | That issue keeps bugging me! |
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| 02:46.21 | gummibushing | Should I use tlp or laptop-mode-tools |
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| 02:58.04 | midacts | Anyone familiar with bacula that might know why a new volume isnt created after opne gets filled up |
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| 03:03.34 | gummibushing | Friday night in the debian chat! |
| 03:03.38 | gummibushing | How is everyone |
| 03:03.46 | gummibushing | Anyone have experience with libreboot? |
| 03:04.17 | phogg | gummibushing: no. What is it? |
| 03:04.26 | gummibushing | Is it worth it? My room mate has an old macbook 2.1 is it worth installing it onto it? |
| 03:04.37 | gummibushing | Haha I am new to understanding what it is lol |
| 03:04.43 | gummibushing | Im sure you have a better idea |
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| 03:08.09 | Epakai | it's a firmware replacement, if you don't know much about it then you probably shouldn't use it, you risk bricking the machine and at first glance there are other issues with libreboot macbooks |
| 03:08.31 | gummibushing | Oh really? |
| 03:08.33 | gummibushing | What are the issues? |
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| 03:08.53 | gummibushing | I thought macbooks performed better than Thinkpads for libreboot |
| 03:09.03 | gummibushing | Is it a serious issue though like do I need to sell my laptop asap? |
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| 04:03.34 | fred1807 | i am about to rsync MainFolder to BackupFolder ..... I want rsync to remove from BackupFolder anything that do not exist on MainFolder... What cmd should I use? --delete-excluded ? |
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| 04:07.15 | Atm0spher1c | fred1807: sounds like you want --delete |
| 04:07.42 | fred1807 | ok... but I dont see deletes on verbose dry run.... just a list of adds |
| 04:07.54 | fred1807 | (and yes there are folder that exists only in destination) |
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| 04:09.57 | Atm0spher1c | maybe make test files and directories and test that way. But I use that to sync and delete files that no longer exist |
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| 04:14.26 | fred1807 | ok , Thanks@ |
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| 04:24.42 | smellymoo | hey, I'm super tired and confused. I am from fedora, debian is new to me. when I look at how to install bitcoind every example is from source, is there not a repo and a way to install with aptitude (I think?) |
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| 04:27.47 | natter | hey |
| 04:28.05 | natter | is Debian the most secure Desktop OS? |
| 04:28.13 | smellymoo | well... |
| 04:28.27 | smellymoo | secure in which way? |
| 04:31.24 | natter | smellymoo, secure from crackers and script-kiddie trying to get inside your system and steal your data or wipe it off |
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| 04:31.58 | dynek | the problem usually isn't the system / desktop |
| 04:34.06 | smellymoo | natter, it is more important how you set up the system. I would say all of the linux distributions are safe if they are set up right, say with correct firewall and selinux. |
| 04:35.22 | dynek | smellymoo: $ apt-cache search bitcoind |
| 04:35.24 | dynek | bitcoind - peer-to-peer network based anonymous digital currency - daemon |
| 04:35.58 | smellymoo | hmmm |
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| 04:36.24 | smellymoo | dynek, is that how you install it with the dependancies? or is that like rpm? |
| 04:37.23 | dynek | apt-cache search will take a look inside the available packages |
| 04:37.31 | dynek | apt-get install bitcoind |
| 04:37.41 | dynek | this is the way you will want to install it, it will take care of deps, etc. |
| 04:37.48 | smellymoo | apt-get... is that only 1 package, or the dep's too? |
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| 04:39.49 | smellymoo | apt-cache didn't return anything, no output at all? |
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| 04:40.28 | smellymoo | dynek, ok so it's yum/dnf for fedora equiv |
| 04:41.52 | smellymoo | dynek, do you know about .deb package building? I want to make a package that installs one script that uses bitcoind... would I make bitcoind the dependancy, and do you do that in the .deb file? think it's on the repo you do that right? |
| 04:44.19 | smellymoo | it said: "unable to locate package bitcoind" well, that's weak. Is there a repo to add for this? |
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| 04:47.39 | themill | dpkg: tell smellymoo about ssb |
| 04:48.16 | themill | (lots of bitcoin stuff doesn't make it into a stable release because it's too much of a moving target to get long term support) |
| 04:48.34 | smellymoo | bum |
| 04:49.43 | smellymoo | themill, so is that why many guides build from source... as an expert, if I was to make a .deb package with dependancy on bitcoind... how would you proceed? |
| 04:49.59 | themill | what dpkg said |
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| 04:51.02 | smellymoo | that explains and answers my first question, that bitcoin isn't available to install normally... |
| 04:51.29 | smokin_ | I am looking for free pieace of software that would allow me to broadcast my desktop for kali-linux and i have looked on google with nno luck so i am wondering if anyone knows of something to do that? |
| 04:51.45 | smokin_ | Live stream not recorded videos |
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| 04:54.10 | smellymoo | themill, so when you say "stable release" is there a way to install a repo that has the "unstable" bitcoind client? |
| 04:56.56 | themill | what dpkg said |
| 04:58.43 | smellymoo | dpkg didn't answer my last 2 questions, only my first. I am asking because I don't know debian and how they do things. |
| 04:58.43 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, smellymoo |
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| 05:01.10 | themill | smellymoo: the only thing that dpkg did answer was how to make a bitcoind package for the stable release. |
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| 05:04.12 | smellymoo | themill, it said it's not included. so where is it included? in fedora you have other repos for dangerous stuff, debian? |
| 05:04.59 | smellymoo | I see mentions of PPA for unbuntu, would that work? I just don't get how debian works. |
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| 05:08.06 | smellymoo | so do I enable the testing repo for debian then install bitcoind as normal? |
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| 05:08.25 | wsky | dont mix branches |
| 05:09.08 | themill | smellymoo: dpkg said nothing of the sort. It told you how to rebuild it. *I* told you it wasn't included. themill â dpkg. |
| 05:11.33 | smellymoo | are all people using Debian as autistic spectrum as you? |
| 05:11.42 | wsky | yes |
| 05:11.44 | smellymoo | wsky, ok. |
| 05:11.57 | smellymoo | well, its not ok backports... |
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| 05:12.53 | themill | smellymoo: umm... I gave you answers to all your questions and the best you can come up with is some fairly poor insults. Good stuff. Feel free to keep ignoring me. |
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| 05:53.18 | LUEshi | lol! |
| 05:53.24 | natter | Hi |
| 05:53.36 | LUEshi | Hi debian user |
| 05:54.14 | LUEshi | deployed another debian install today |
| 05:54.18 | LUEshi | on a laptop |
| 05:54.49 | wsky | \o/ |
| 05:55.06 | LUEshi | say anyone knows the issue with irssi? |
| 05:55.23 | LUEshi | I let the thing run on my computer and it nearly fried my cpu |
| 05:56.05 | LUEshi | so now i use weechat |
| 05:56.07 | wsky | how can you tell |
| 05:56.20 | wsky | i run irssi 24/7 on this server, no issues noticed |
| 05:56.23 | LUEshi | it crashed my mc server |
| 05:56.33 | LUEshi | well somehow irssi was using 100% cpu usage |
| 05:56.39 | wsky | which version is this |
| 05:56.47 | LUEshi | the one in apt |
| 05:56.59 | wsky | so which version is it |
| 05:57.11 | wsky | how the hell can i know which debian you're running |
| 05:57.11 | LUEshi | 0.8.15 |
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| 05:57.21 | wsky | no, it's a really stable release |
| 05:57.37 | LUEshi | no its impossible? |
| 05:57.58 | wsky | very, very unlikely |
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| 05:58.19 | wsky | i told you, i run it 24/7 for years |
| 05:58.30 | LUEshi | yeah i know its what its meant to do |
| 05:58.30 | wsky | do you run any plugins in it? |
| 05:58.38 | LUEshi | say maybe its the plugins yeah |
| 05:59.02 | LUEshi | i tried purging my install but that didn't do it I guess ill try removing the plugins folder also |
| 05:59.13 | wsky | there is #irssi |
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| 05:59.34 | LUEshi | oh well its not a very big issue, i'm figuring out weechat and it's very similar |
| 05:59.44 | LUEshi | with all the features id use plugins for included in it |
| 05:59.47 | wsky | blasphemy |
| 06:00.19 | LUEshi | as long as its through command line i dont mind |
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| 06:22.37 | oatgarum | how to fix this permanent i got this - error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.6.so: cannot open shared object file.. |
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| 06:27.29 | somiaj | oatgarum: give more info. What command are you running that gives you that error? Do you actually have that libary installed on your system? |
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| 06:46.39 | cast | dunno, pf is pretty nice |
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| 06:53.50 | Amun_Ra | themill: shorewall |
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| 06:55.28 | andrew_ | hello. How can i add my shell script in auto startup applications, don't use "rc.local /etc/init.d" ? |
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| 06:57.18 | andrew_ | just use auto startup configure application with ui. |
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| 06:58.16 | oatgarum | somiaj: i install lib tcl on my local ...i dont get it says you also may want to put this in your ~/.bashrc to enable it the next time you login . |
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| 06:58.54 | Amun_Ra | andrew_: the third way is to add @reboot job in cron |
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| 07:03.17 | ndnihil | anyone have some sort of insight as to why squeeze mips packages have been missing from most of the repos recently? |
| 07:03.38 | ndnihil | while still being indexed |
| 07:03.41 | ndnihil | for some reason |
| 07:05.30 | andrew_ | @Amun_Ra: I configure auto startup in terminal.I am looking for a application can config auto startup with ui. Linux MInt have "startup application" with ui, but it seems is not a general application. |
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| 07:08.24 | shortCircuit__ | hi |
| 07:09.04 | shortCircuit__ | help: I downloaded the hope theme from gnome looks and then when I installed it with the tweak tool ... something happened and now terminal file manager nothing opens.. I try to manually apply a separate theme like this gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme Ambiance but it says couldn't autolaunch dbus without x-11 display, what should I do? |
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| 08:06.17 | sorin-mihai | anyone knows a way to change size of the client-side-decorations in gnome, to make it the same size as the gtk2/non-csd titlebars? |
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| 08:08.24 | andrew_ | <sorin-mihai>ï¼use linux mint, you will never met with this problem. |
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| 08:32.14 | balin_ | I'm new to apparmor and am trying to modify a profile (the chromium one). As indicated in the doc and the conf files, I have edited the corresponding file in /etc/apparmor.d/local/* with a "/usr/bin/chromium{/dev/hidraw* r,}" statement, but this doesn't add to the default profile, but replaces it! How to add to the profile instead? |
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| 08:35.24 | sorin-mihai | andrew_, i'm not interested in changing the distribution after ~5 years, i need to know if there is some hidden way to change the size of the csd bar.. |
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| 08:39.26 | julius_ | hi |
| 08:41.00 | julius_ | is there a way to get all apt-get install softwarexyz commands from a "older" system, in /var/log/apt/history.log i can see all software that was installed, but ist also list all the dependencies |
| 08:42.15 | julius_ | oh, never mind. it does show |
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| 08:47.20 | julius_ | apt-mark showmanual <- shouldnt this command show all manual installed packages? because it lists apt |
| 08:47.30 | julius_ | which would be installed at install time, automatically |
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| 08:50.56 | raz | so my wheezy -> jessie upgrade left me with "Grub file not found" |
| 08:51.20 | raz | i have booted successfully with supergrub2 disk |
| 08:51.25 | raz | now how do i re-install the damn boot loader? |
| 08:51.44 | raz | i've done update-initramfs -u ; grub-update |
| 08:51.58 | raz | both succeed, but i still get the same error on boot |
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| 08:53.37 | raz | brb, cycling for another attempt.. |
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| 08:55.03 | boot | raz, grub-install /dev/sdX && update-grub |
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| 08:57.01 | raz | boot: yup, that worked! :D |
| 08:57.09 | boot | :) |
| 08:57.43 | raz | now onwards to check what else shattered... :x |
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| 08:58.11 | raz | are there any new systemd-removal petitions worth signing btw? |
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| 08:59.17 | hexnewbie | raz: Make sure to sign my petition for removing PHP too. ;) |
| 08:59.32 | raz | hexnewbie: PHP i am free to ignore |
| 08:59.47 | julius_ | you lucky bastard ;) |
| 08:59.55 | raz | but this is what systemd gives me on LITERALLY THE FIRST COMMAND i run: http://f.cl.ly/items/3i0n451l323G0n0l2Q3e/2015-10-10%20at%2010.59.png |
| 09:00.09 | hexnewbie | raz: systemd you're free to ignore, as it can be easily removed. PHP not so much these days. |
| 09:00.11 | raz | wtf is this escape mess... |
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| 09:00.26 | raz | hexnewbie: i haven't heard good things from the people who actually tried removing it and keeping it removed |
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| 09:00.58 | raz | anyway, i'll stick with debian for a bit longer and keep an eye out which non-systemd distros emerge |
| 09:01.13 | raz | anyone got an idea what's up with that escaping mess i linked above? |
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| 09:01.36 | julius_ | if you gunzip all the history.log.?.gz files, and run: for file in history.log.*; do echo "$file"; grep "Commandline: apt-get install" $file; done would this give a accurate listing of what i installed manually? |
| 09:01.46 | raz | does systemd require an utf-8 terminal now or something? |
| 09:01.48 | julius_ | ./var/log/apt/history.... that is |
| 09:02.21 | hexnewbie | raz: Admittedly, I had to remove systemd on only one of the systems I manage, but it's been easy getting rid of it. And yes, everything requires UTF-8 these days. |
| 09:02.22 | julius_ | what command did you run exactly? |
| 09:02.35 | raz | hexnewbie: what.. the hell |
| 09:02.40 | raz | (about utf-8) |
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| 09:03.05 | hexnewbie | I consider support for non-UTF-8 encodings a bug (in POSIX) |
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| 09:03.24 | raz | facepalms |
| 09:03.25 | hexnewbie | Those should be dead and buried. |
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| 09:03.47 | raz | hexnewbie: you do understand that running with LC_ALL= is important for some people? |
| 09:04.17 | raz | precisely because we don't want all the locale bugs and collation fun in our critical path |
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| 09:04.50 | raz | ugh.. i knew systemd would make me angry.. i thought it would take at least a few minutes longer tho |
| 09:05.08 | hexnewbie | raz: I haven't gotten anything that doesn't properly pass through UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C |
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| 09:05.36 | hexnewbie | raz: GTK+ 2 was the first to go UTF-8 regardless of locale. |
| 09:05.43 | boot | to revert to sysvinit: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv- |
| 09:06.02 | raz | hexnewbie: yes, it's fine to assume utf-8. it's not fine to spew escaped garbage on my terminal. |
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| 09:07.23 | hexnewbie | raz: You haven't told us what command is this, though. |
| 09:07.31 | raz | hexnewbie: systemctl status |
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| 09:07.55 | hexnewbie | raz: Well! Do run LC_ALL=C systemctl status |
| 09:08.06 | hexnewbie | raz: It respects the system locale just fine on my system. |
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| 09:08.44 | raz | hexnewbie: ... |
| 09:09.02 | raz | it's okay, guess i just have to look into the systemd removal options earlier than i thought |
| 09:09.17 | raz | expect very angry bug reports if that stuff doesn't work flawlessly and stays that way |
| 09:09.23 | hexnewbie | raz: Yes? It respects your locale, you have a mismatch between your locale and terminal settings. |
| 09:09.45 | hexnewbie | raz: That's not a bug in systemd, git would also spill âescaped sequencesâ in your terminal. |
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| 09:10.12 | raz | hexnewbie: oddly enough git never does that |
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| 09:11.21 | hexnewbie | raz: I guess it's the translation then, but with non-C locale git is also not ASCII-safe. |
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| 09:12.05 | Wulf | Good Morning |
| 09:12.16 | Wulf | How can I find out if a package was manually or automatically installed? |
| 09:12.16 | boot | if you'd rather use sysvinit than systemd, just use the command in my last post. |
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| 09:13.20 | hexnewbie | boot: Why do that when you can complain about non-existing problems with systemd? Which is a weird thing to do when systemd causes enough *real* headaches. :) |
| 09:13.49 | raz | boot: yea on it |
| 09:14.01 | hexnewbie | Wulf: apt-mark showauto <package> # that probably works |
| 09:14.12 | hexnewbie | Wulf: Not sure what's the difference between showauto and showmanual though |
| 09:15.19 | Wulf | hexnewbie: thank you |
| 09:15.33 | Wulf | since when does "apt-mark" exist? |
| 09:15.36 | Wulf | never seen it before |
| 09:16.30 | hexnewbie | Wulf: I wouldn't know, but I learned about it when aptitude (or its docs) told me not to use âaptitude markautoâ. :) |
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| 09:20.10 | raz | why is systemd giving me a failed ntp.service and rng-tools.service when neither is installed, how do i remove this |
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| 09:20.39 | raz | dpkg -S ntp.service or rng-tools.service doesn't show me where they are coming from |
| 09:20.40 | dpkg | Badgers ate my ntp.service or rng-tools.service doesn't show me where they are coming from! |
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| 09:22.37 | hexnewbie | raz: Do you have /etc/init.d/ntp? |
| 09:22.57 | raz | hexnewbie: yes |
| 09:23.12 | raz | what the heck |
| 09:23.33 | raz | ok..um.. remove dhtat |
| 09:23.40 | raz | now ntp.service is showing as not-found failed failed |
| 09:23.52 | zaldy | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 09:24.03 | gryf | thanks god. |
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| 09:24.22 | zaldy | hehehe |
| 09:24.27 | zaldy | hello |
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| 09:25.18 | raz | zaldy: shut up |
| 09:25.30 | gryf | just ban it already |
| 09:26.14 | hexnewbie | It's not zaldy's fault, that's a known systemd bug. |
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| 09:26.39 | raz | sigh... why does ntp.service stay red even after i disable it... and without ntp even installed |
| 09:26.58 | raz | same for rng-tools |
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| 09:29.08 | hexnewbie | raz: Maybe you should try systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 09:29.30 | hexnewbie | raz: But yeah, systemd has a tendency to remember what has failed since boot. |
| 09:29.46 | raz | http://f.cl.ly/items/1a1H1R2f1v0S1w3c2G0p/2015-10-10%20at%2011.29.png |
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| 09:29.50 | raz | so how do i clean that up then? |
| 09:29.56 | raz | or does it just "expire"? |
| 09:30.05 | raz | where do i see the current, canonical service status? |
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| 09:32.39 | MonsterWeb | Hello Im trying to reset my root password because i forgot it i managed to boot into root shell and have remounted / but it keeps telling me "passwd: command not found" |
| 09:32.45 | MonsterWeb | can anyone help ? |
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| 09:34.22 | boot | apt-get install passwd |
| 09:34.47 | MonsterWeb | apt-get command not found |
| 09:34.53 | hexnewbie | MonsterWeb: Are you sure the root shell is not on your initramfs? |
| 09:35.08 | hexnewbie | MonsterWeb: Or rescue media for that matter |
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| 09:35.12 | MonsterWeb | rw init=/bin/bash |
| 09:35.17 | MonsterWeb | is what i booted with |
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| 09:35.35 | MonsterWeb | root@(none) |
| 09:35.42 | hexnewbie | MonsterWeb: Is /usr on a separate partition? Try mount /usr |
| 09:35.46 | MonsterWeb | is what i have now |
| 09:36.01 | MonsterWeb | yes that did it |
| 09:36.10 | MonsterWeb | thank you henewbie !! |
| 09:36.17 | MonsterWeb | hexnewbie* |
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| 09:49.57 | adel | Hi, I have a small issue. After an upgrade to testing my cinnamon didnt start so I decided to purge it and install it but I cant get to visual loding screen to show up. Can anyone tell me how to launch it manually so that I can at least google a more permanent fix? |
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| 09:56.02 | Wulf | adel: try "startx" or "gdm" |
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| 09:59.37 | adel | command not found for both |
| 10:00.30 | adel | cinnamon gives me: "Unable to init server: could not connect: connection refused" |
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| 10:01.00 | adel | and "Window manager error: unable to open X display" |
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| 10:01.38 | hexnewbie | adel: dpkg -l | egrep 'ii\s+\S+dm' |
| 10:01.49 | hexnewbie | adel: Check if you have any type of display manager installed |
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| 10:06.55 | adel | it seems like I do |
| 10:07.09 | adel | sddm. is that correct? |
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| 10:08.35 | hexnewbie | adel: systemctl status sddm |
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| 10:09.55 | hexnewbie | adel: Also if if it is installed, it probably tried to start and failed. Probably the first thing to look at is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:10.18 | MonsterWeb | Hello again, so I havent started debian for a long time and i cant get my "apt-get update" to work .. i keeps failing to fetch: I've tried delting my sources list .. re-generating it via the sources generator website but still wont work. |
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| 10:11.52 | adel | loaded and inactive (dead), ill check my xorg log |
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| 10:14.41 | MonsterWeb | i'm on oldstable |
| 10:14.59 | MonsterWeb | can anyone help, please ? |
| 10:15.16 | keltim | and oldstable is .. what exactly? |
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| 10:15.29 | keltim | oh wait, that should always work, nm |
| 10:15.32 | MonsterWeb | squeeze |
| 10:15.59 | MonsterWeb | 6.0.10 |
| 10:16.04 | keltim | what's on your sources list? "squeeze" or ? |
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| 10:18.29 | adel | Okay I have an AIGLX error, it cant open fglrx_dri.so |
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| 10:18.48 | MonsterWeb | keltim any ideas ? |
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| 10:26.10 | markybob | MonsterWeb, you didn't answer his question. anyway, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 10:27.26 | barx | Hello, do you know why there is no netbeans package in Jessie ? |
| 10:28.40 | Vanfanel | Hi, I'm trying to crosscompile for Raspbian using -isysroot and --sysroot parameters, but gcc doesn't find certain headers that are there: http://pastebin.com/QaAAWM8H What am I doing wrong? I've moved around the parameters with no results... |
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| 10:33.36 | MonsterWeb | its ok it just started working @markybob thank you anyway |
| 10:34.01 | markybob | MonsterWeb, fyi, it should look like this. https://dpaste.de/qJAL |
| 10:35.04 | markybob | Vanfanel, use apt-file. apt-file search sys/cdefs.h |
| 10:36.21 | Vanfanel | markybob: have you seen that sys/cdefs.h IS present? |
| 10:36.50 | Vanfanel | markybob: also, it's a cross-building enviroment, no sense in making apt-anything... |
| 10:37.05 | adel | Okay thanks everyone I can now access using sudo sddm |
| 10:37.06 | adel | bye |
| 10:37.26 | markybob | Vanfanel, i don't see you including /opt/rpi_root/.... |
| 10:37.58 | markybob | Vanfanel, nevermind. i haven't had my coffee yet |
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| 10:39.55 | Vanfanel | markybob: I simply pass /opt/rpi_root via --sysroot |
| 10:40.01 | Vanfanel | it should work |
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| 10:54.00 | Miesco | In X, it seems it takes a really long time to hold down a key long enough to have it automatically repeat. I have enough time to go get a coffee. Doesn't this impede on productivity in a big way? Is there a way to change this? Why aren't more people talking about this? |
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| 10:55.23 | markybob | Miesco, because we know how to change the repeat delay :P XFCE menu->settings->keyboard |
| 10:55.54 | markybob | XFCE is what i use so that's what i know. i'm sure others are similar |
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| 10:57.51 | cblte | hey guys. I have a little problem. the root user is the only user in the system and i accidently have a type in the etc/passwd file for the shell to use. I cannot login now, because the system tells me that login is rejected, because of the wrong shell. is there a way to fix this? |
| 10:58.00 | xauth | Miesco: or go lowlevel and use xset m |
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| 10:58.14 | xauth | Miesco: cancel that, that's mouse speed. |
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| 11:01.52 | markybob | cblte, boot with a cd, mount / and edit /etc/passwd back to what it's supposed to be |
| 11:02.28 | cblte | oh right. thanks markybob that should save a lot of time thanks |
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| 12:04.09 | dynek | trying to boot EFI -> grub: first issue is that kernel and init lines say "linux" and "initrd" but seems that it has to be "linuxefi" and "initrdefi". Also it keeps saying "vmlinuz has invalid signature". Google doesn't seem happy to help me today. I'm stuck. |
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| 12:36.34 | hassoon | Any one who can send me a free debian sticker that i can put on my laptop if he has one? :o |
| 12:37.08 | bazhang | contact a debian lug hassoon |
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| 12:41.50 | martin-_-_ | hey |
| 12:42.00 | martin-_-_ | can i delete all files in /var/log ? |
| 12:42.18 | ewew | martin-_-_ Why ? |
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| 12:42.34 | martin-_-_ | /dev/hdc1 1.9G 2.0G 320k 100% / |
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| 12:42.41 | martin-_-_ | i have to remove some log stuff |
| 12:43.11 | ewew | martin-_-_ Remove only *.gz files. There are gziped logs. |
| 12:43.17 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 12:43.44 | ewew | martin-_-_ Also check the logs. It might be indicating problems ? |
| 12:43.44 | cblte | 2GB for logfiles? how old is your system |
| 12:44.11 | martin-_-_ | what ? no this is my root partion where debian is installed |
| 12:44.18 | martin-_-_ | its a nax |
| 12:44.19 | martin-_-_ | nas |
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| 12:46.30 | ewew | martin-_-_ For some reason the system is complaining about something. Check the logs to avoid serious trouble. |
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| 12:49.25 | cblte | then 2gb might be a little bit too small. oh ok. but, 2GB for a nas is enough. and when your hdd is full, you might have a serious problem. |
| 12:50.09 | martin-_-_ | okay maybe this was one reason why i wasn't able to use the printer of the nas :) |
| 12:50.12 | ewew | That is why its recomended to divide the fs. |
| 12:50.21 | cblte | you can search with "find / -type f -size +50MB" for files bigger than 50MB. reduces size if you cannot find files. or are you sure that you have so many thousand log files |
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| 12:50.41 | martin-_-_ | thanks |
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| 12:51.31 | cblte | look at your /var/logs/system.log maybe it is telling you something about your problem. is the webinterface still working? |
| 12:51.45 | ewew | And systemd is complicating this task. Unification is bad ! |
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| 12:52.12 | ewew | cblte All is on one partition. |
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| 12:53.38 | martin-_-_ | no the data is on a seperate partition |
| 12:54.09 | martin-_-_ | webinterface works.. i only wondered why mysql isnt working anymore and then i found this space problem |
| 12:54.32 | ewew | martin-_-_ I recomend to modify setting in rsyslog. |
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| 12:57.55 | martin-_-_ | ewew, i got here a custom firmware from netgear is a mix of sarge/lenny |
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| 12:58.57 | martin-_-_ | hm i found in /tmp some strange files |
| 12:59.10 | martin-_-_ | many files named like sess_151d5d27fef1c344d79a16439832061e |
| 12:59.36 | martin-_-_ | with the following content SID_CREATED|i:1373389727;LAST_ACTIVITY|i:1373389727;user_id|s:6:"martin";display_name|s:6:"martin";machinename:/ ... |
| 13:00.19 | ewew | martin-_-_ It might be related to NAS. Not sure if it normal or hacked. |
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| 13:03.07 | hexnewbie | martin-_-_: Those are PHP sessions. PHP is creating one whenever anyone visits a page that calls session_start(). I suspect somebody has been visiting a web page of yours there? |
| 13:03.28 | martin-_-_ | that could be possible |
| 13:03.47 | martin-_-_ | i removed some log files but only 5mb now left |
| 13:03.50 | hexnewbie | martin-_-_: Though user_id of martin might indicate it's you who visited it. Maybe it goes crazy and keeps your old expired sessions for some reason |
| 13:04.27 | ewew | martin-_-_ How much ram it has ? |
| 13:04.36 | martin-_-_ | 128 |
| 13:04.49 | ewew | martin-_-_ Does it have debian ? |
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| 18:12.50 | SuperTramp83 | yes. try that first mate |
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| 18:27.58 | apoc_ | hey. Is netinst broken or something? I've tried to install a minimal netinst and then install a DE but everytime it results in this: https://i.imgur.com/Gp10MUP.png (VirtualBox), same with the stable netinst |
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| 18:28.58 | apoc_ | this is the final output of `sudo apt-get install xfce4`.. |
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| 18:36.41 | jamesawagner3 | Oddball question over here. I have an enviroment variable that I need to pass to a GUI application. I could put it in the relevent .desktop file, but that would be tedious and I would likely need to do that for many files. What's the least painful way of assuring that every X session, TTY login, and bash shell gets this variable? |
| 18:37.30 | ewew | jamesawagner3 pam_env.so |
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| 18:40.21 | jamesawagner3 | ewew: Thanks. If I'm read the man page right, the stuff I want needs to go in /etc/security/pam_env.conf. Is that correct? |
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| 18:40.54 | jamesawagner3 | Assuming that's right, that's a whole lot less of a pain in the keester than I thought this was going to be. |
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| 18:41.11 | ewew | jamesawagner3 http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_env.html |
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| 18:43.47 | jamesawagner3 | Thanks |
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| 19:13.06 | jelly | marioxcc: fwiw, subs look just fine with jessie's vlc |
| 19:13.09 | jelly | sigh |
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| 19:14.29 | marioxcc | jelly: Thanks. I think that I found the problem, the timing lines apparently use a format not understood by VLC. |
| 19:14.40 | marioxcc | with dot instead of comma as the decimal marker. |
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| 19:23.19 | pikaro | is there a command to downgrade a package while fetching the associated dependencies like an upgrade would? I'm trying to downgrade evolution from unstable and it keeps spewing errors about a newer version of dependencies being available. |
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| 19:38.31 | enfinitee | Hello Debian people! First time in the IRC :) I have a quick question...I just switched to Debian Testing, and my computer is continuously freezing when I use gksu to open nemo to move things to certain directories...I found a bug similar to mine when using Nautilus, but there weren't any answers. |
| 19:38.40 | enfinitee | If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate it :) |
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| 19:49.56 | kminor | Hey guys Im doing a dist-upgrade to wheezy & then jessie today, I noticed on the sources.list thing i got from .msg dpkg that says the following: |
| 19:50.04 | kminor | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
| 19:50.28 | kminor | Should I have that line in my sources.list for dist-upgrading to debian wheezy or just the regular ones like usual? |
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| 19:58.22 | khax | debian :D |
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| 20:03.53 | allegedly | wow 1685 and nothing to say. Is this cable ? |
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| 20:04.31 | xand | u wot m8 |
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| 20:05.47 | xand | maybe |
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| 20:09.24 | redfast00 | Anyone know how to move /boot and grub to usbstick (full disk encryption, preventing evil maid attack) |
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| 20:18.10 | beowu1f | Im trying to create a web server interface to my debian box that allows me to manage my interface (ie. eth0/wlan0/wlan1) by just using a browser does anyone know of an ready made web server like this? |
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| 20:19.56 | beowu1f | something that will run on apache basically |
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| 20:21.38 | beowu1f | or maybe some wonderfull python script |
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| 20:32.25 | sigdk | hello, any help with output of the following command: sudo iwconfig wlan0 wlan0 No such device ? |
| 20:32.50 | edoardo | post output of sudo iwconfig |
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| 20:37.58 | sigdk | edoardo, sudo iwconfig eth0 no wireless extensions. lo no wireless extensions. |
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| 20:38.53 | edoardo | you don't have any wireless interface then |
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| 20:40.39 | sigdk | edoardo, what does that mean ? |
| 20:40.46 | sigdk | no wifi card ? |
| 20:40.50 | edoardo | yes |
| 20:40.55 | edoardo | or wifi card with no drivers |
| 20:41.17 | sigdk | edoardo, 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59) |
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| 20:43.14 | sigdk | so, I guess I do have a wifi card... how do I fetch/install the drivers ? |
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| 21:01.53 | wondiws | I have here a debian script that needs some libraries that aren't in the distribution. I have never really used python. Is there some sort of best practice how to install libraries, where to put them, or is there some sort of mechanism like with haskell? |
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| 21:02.27 | anddam | wondiws: how does a debian script need libraries not in the repo? |
| 21:02.35 | anddam | sounds wrong |
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| 21:03.06 | wondiws | anddam, probably :P |
| 21:03.26 | anddam | wondiws: for my own python (not debian) scripts I avoid polluting system directories and go with a virtualenv |
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| 21:04.02 | anddam | the tool to install the libraries is pip, it will allow you to search, fetch, configure and install the libs on pypi |
| 21:04.25 | anddam | what debian script is it? |
| 21:04.52 | wondiws | anddam, "pip" is not in debian? |
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| 21:05.31 | anddam | wondiws: pip is in debian repo |
| 21:05.39 | wondiws | anddam, https://github.com/memeruiz/usbtv007 |
| 21:05.41 | anddam | but it doesn't need libraries not in repo |
| 21:05.43 | wondiws | this is what I want to try |
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| 21:06.10 | anddam | that's not a debian script tho' |
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| 21:06.37 | wondiws | anddam, oh, sorry, "python script" |
| 21:06.42 | wondiws | typo |
| 21:06.46 | anddam | makes more sense, I'd go with virtualenv |
| 21:06.57 | anddam | are you using python 2 or 3? |
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| 21:07.10 | wondiws | anddam, I don't care what version of python :P |
| 21:07.16 | wondiws | anddam, virtualenv? You mean chroot? |
| 21:07.17 | khax | piton |
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| 21:07.50 | anddam | wondiws: no I mean virtualenv, the python's nicety that will handle virtual environment for you |
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| 21:08.14 | khax | piton |
| 21:08.25 | anddam | wondiws: basically "virtualenv myfoo; source myfoo/bin/activate #if you're on bash;" and you are in a virtual env |
| 21:09.22 | wondiws | anddam, "pip" looks good to me :) |
| 21:09.49 | anddam | wondiws: now you install whatever you need with "pip install libusb1; pip install v4l2" |
| 21:10.34 | anddam | as the libs are called libusb1 and v4l2 in pypi |
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| 21:10.48 | wondiws | anddam, ah you looked it up I see :) |
| 21:11.25 | anddam | pip search libusb1 |
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| 21:11.43 | anddam | you have actuall to parse that since it's a long output |
| 21:11.47 | wondiws | anddam, how do you know usb1 is prefixed with "lib" and v4l2 isn't? |
| 21:11.54 | anddam | because I checked |
| 21:12.02 | anddam | either pip or pypi.python.org |
| 21:12.27 | anddam | it's up to each package's author to pick the name, there's no much coherence out there |
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| 21:17.42 | anddam | bye |
| 21:18.00 | keltim | I really don't like this pip/gem/module stuff installing things into /usr as they do |
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| 21:19.07 | keltim | it's becoming a disease |
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| 21:21.15 | anddam | keltim: they all support users' home directory but often you have to tell 'em (at least once in config) |
| 21:21.17 | keltim | pip, gem and npm should not be pulling random shit off the internet and blasting it into /usr |
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| 21:21.34 | anddam | I like the virtualenv approach |
| 21:21.36 | keltim | anddam, yeah, but no one does that unfortunately |
| 21:21.55 | anddam | almost no one |
| 21:22.14 | keltim | lol yeah. the devs where I work don't even understand why this is an issue |
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| 21:23.24 | keltim | I think it's because Apple unleashed all their devs onto the unix world and their practices as devs are about on par with end users of windows circa 1997 |
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| 21:25.08 | keltim | or we will need to append the FHS with "/usr/pulled-off-the-fucking-internet-somewhere/lib" for them |
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| 21:27.21 | ewew | keltim Would be better to put it in secured chroot. |
| 21:28.34 | keltim | I'd rather this stuff not be done at all, but I'm not sure a chroot would really solve the problem, as much of it is being made available via web, so a chroot would just complicate things |
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| 21:29.50 | ewew | keltim I still dont understand why people use things like Apple. |
| 21:30.13 | keltim | what is actually needed is for some org to step up and provide some sanity to the process, like linux distros did for linux. I mean what we have is like 1992 with everyone downloading everything from cdrom.com and compiling by hand with noone managine the sanity or security of it |
| 21:30.44 | keltim | except cdrom.com is now github.com |
| 21:30.49 | ewew | keltim They think if it works, then done. |
| 21:30.54 | keltim | and everything is trivially easy |
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| 21:31.36 | ewew | keltim We must hope no one will program something for critical infrastructure. |
| 21:31.57 | keltim | if I could get a kickstart to fund me I'd do it, company the sanitizes and inspects all the github junk people randomly pull into their stacks |
| 21:32.39 | keltim | it is no different than windows users installing shit via email in 1998 |
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| 21:32.56 | keltim | oh man, this looks kewl! |
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| 21:34.11 | keltim | but I know almost no one would see the value in such a service |
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| 21:34.24 | ewew | keltim You want to erase everything on github.com ? |
| 21:34.42 | keltim | no, why? |
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| 21:35.46 | ewew | keltim I think repairing something that is by default bad is waste of time. Programers need to think about security, efficiency of ther code. |
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| 21:36.13 | ewew | keltim Or it is cloud maddness. |
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| 21:36.59 | keltim | ewew, well, it is a paralell situation that the OS (linux) itself had at the beginning, although it is more extreme and more untrustworthy |
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| 21:37.10 | keltim | and more common |
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| 21:38.07 | keltim | so, were there such a thing as a "distro" for libs for all these popular programming languages, which signed the packages and so forth, it would alleviate the worst aspects of the situation |
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| 21:38.36 | keltim | but linux distributions cleary cannot keep up with the demand nor the pace |
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| 21:40.20 | keltim | I mean, casual use of pip, for eg., can easily and completely break "yum' on an RHEL system |
| 21:40.38 | keltim | that should not be even possible |
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| 21:41.37 | ewew | keltim Should use the schroot. It is chroot for normal users. |
| 21:42.37 | ewew | keltim Or complete isolation in virtualization. |
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| 21:43.14 | keltim | well that is one thing for a dev working on their laptop or whatever, but we now have servers pulling in hundreds of completely uninspected libs (gems, eggs, whatever) into their stacks and running them |
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| 21:46.11 | roxlu | Hi I just installed raspbian and when I boot my rpi, it hangs on "LSB: Raise network interfaces" .... I can't even login. Does someone knows how I can get around this? |
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| 21:46.36 | xand | you want #raspbian |
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| 21:47.18 | roxlu | yeah nobody there but while googling I found some debian posts... and as it's debian I thought maybe someone in here knows this too |
| 21:47.48 | jelly | roxlu: any people present in here that are interested in raspbian will be present in that channel, too |
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| 22:00.04 | brizz | im newb to pptp...im *connecting* to a vpn server..but i also run a webserver on the box that has the pptp connection |
| 22:00.46 | brizz | im replacing the default route w/the pptp route..so that all traffic goes through the established vpn connection. my question is--how can i allow traffic thats for the webserver..to not route through the vpn/pptp connection |
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| 22:20.51 | mispp | hello everybody, maybe someone can answer quick question: does debian backport current/new btrfs releases into whatever is available as jessie? |
| 22:21.54 | jelly | ,v btrfs-tools |
| 22:21.56 | judd | Package: btrfs-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.19+20100601-3; wheezy: 0.19+20120328-7.1; wheezy-backports: 3.17-1.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.17-1.1; sid: 4.1.2-1; stretch: 4.1.2-1 |
| 22:22.25 | jelly | mispp: there are newer kernels, but apparently no backports of userspace tools |
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| 22:23.22 | mispp | so basically, if i pick stable, i'm stuck with very very old btrfs |
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| 22:24.30 | jelly | btrfs is alpha quality and still very much in development, so yes, debian stable is not going to be well suited to track such software |
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| 22:28.49 | hexnewbie | I've tried to format 3 filesystems with btrfs. Time-to-FUBAR was 1 month, 2 years and 1 day on the last one. Wouldn't touch btrfs with a ten foot pole. |
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| 22:30.24 | ryouma | which version? |
| 22:30.39 | ryouma | i have heard that jessie btrfs is ok |
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| 22:31.41 | hexnewbie | Three different ones, but very old. I also hope the new ones were OK too, but I also "heard" that the three kernels that caused wrecked the filesystems were OK. :) |
| 22:31.49 | Nomads | When I download some file via wget, after download the extension of the file disappears. master.zip file downloads as master. Which .wgetrc setting might cause this? |
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| 22:33.04 | hexnewbie | I think the one that lasted a day was 3.12.x or 3.14.x or something around those numbers, when it was released. |
| 22:33.37 | ryouma | Nomads: dunno, but info manual might have more detail than man pagae |
| 22:35.56 | Nomads | ryouma, can't find any setting that removes the extension :D |
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| 22:36.09 | Nomads | only --adjust-extension which adds it. |
| 22:36.24 | ryouma | what extension does it nuke? |
| 22:36.27 | ryouma | there is #wget |
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| 22:37.01 | Nomads | Hmm, lemme check there. |
| 22:37.06 | Nomads | In this instance, .zip |
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| 22:39.44 | ticklishranger | (just making sure) To run a command during shutdown process, I create a script /etc/rc0.d/S00MyScript; make sure it has #!/bin/bash; chmod +x. Is this correct? I'm doing this to delete cache and junk in home folder. |
| 22:39.52 | Nomads | ryouma, adding --content-disposition makes it better :D |
| 22:40.26 | ryouma | ah yes |
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| 22:46.17 | mispp | ryouma: idk. mine btrfs was also running for a few years, but nothing happened. i had a hardware failure which screwed up the drive, but i managed to recover everything |
| 22:46.37 | mispp | hexnewbie: actually previous message was meant for you |
| 22:46.47 | mispp | hexnewbie: what kind of problems you had? |
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| 22:47.59 | mispp | jelly: alpha? facebook reportedly is testing it on production (!). opensuse is defaulting to btrfs and recommending it... |
| 22:48.19 | mispp | jelly: isn't this far further from alpha? |
| 22:48.29 | jelly | mispp: no, no it's not. |
| 22:50.14 | jelly | facebook has the principal author employed |
| 22:52.42 | jelly | dunno anything about opensuse |
| 22:53.46 | mispp | alright, thanks for the info |
| 22:54.58 | jelly | however, if a commercial enterprise distro like rhel or suse starts to support it, that's a good sign |
| 22:56.40 | mispp | quick search: http://linuxbsdos.com/2014/12/02/with-btrfs-the-default-on-opensuse-when-will-other-distros-follow-suit/ |
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| 23:10.44 | ryouma | why does it matter whether it is commercial? |
| 23:10.52 | ryouma | do they lag? |
| 23:11.41 | petemc | something does |
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| 23:34.14 | keltim | the commercial distros are typically behind Debian and/or copy its conventions :) |
| 23:34.46 | derstrom | lol |
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| 23:35.44 | keltim | oh come on it's true :-/ |
| 23:36.01 | keltim | the ".d" thing, alternatives ... |
| 23:37.36 | zeorin | Who wants to hear an amusing TIFU about an upgrade to Jessie? |
| 23:37.50 | keltim | speak on |
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| 23:38.10 | keltim | upgraded to jessie from a blank disk |
| 23:38.35 | zeorin | So I have a VPS, running Wheezy. Want to upgrade to Jessie |
| 23:38.46 | zeorin | found this link: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-upgrade-debian-wheezy-to-jessie-stable-release/ |
| 23:39.11 | zeorin | I do all the backups, update to latest Wheezy packages, then change sources to point to jessie |
| 23:39.11 | keltim | smells systemd/boot/init mess |
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| 23:39.22 | Peio | I can't find how to use Pocket in iceweasel |
| 23:39.36 | zeorin | apt-get {update,upgrade,dist-upgrade} |
| 23:39.40 | Peio | I have iceweasel 38.2.1 (in stretch) |
| 23:40.04 | derstrom | keltim: well if you ask me I don't like commercial distributions that seemingly wrap an open source platform around proprietary stuff. |
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| 23:40.17 | zeorin | goes wrong at dist-upgrade... something about not enough space to unpack a kernel module for the new kernel into /lib |
| 23:40.29 | zeorin | So i run a few df and du commands |
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| 23:40.44 | zeorin | is only about 350MB big |
| 23:40.51 | zeorin | and 88% used |
| 23:41.12 | zeorin | So I do a google search, someone suggests bind mounts |
| 23:41.41 | zeorin | I figure I'll bind mount /lib to /home/lib (because home partition is 16GB and 4% used) |
| 23:41.47 | zeorin | BUT FIRST |
| 23:42.00 | zeorin | let me move /lib to /lib.bak |
| 23:42.09 | zeorin | oops |
| 23:42.54 | zeorin | yeah so at that point the VPS goes crazy, I'm logged in over ssh and have a tmux going |
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| 23:43.34 | zeorin | I frantically try to run a few run-shell '/bin/bash/ -c "sudo mv /lib.bak /lib"' commands and such |
| 23:43.37 | zeorin | no dice |
| 23:43.48 | zeorin | I figure I'm screwed |
| 23:44.11 | zeorin | But then it dawns on me that I can reboot the VM with an ISO mounted |
| 23:44.22 | zeorin | So I use an Ubuntu ISO |
| 23:44.49 | zeorin | get to desktop, unlock the disk (it's encrypted LUKS + LVM) |
| 23:45.00 | zeorin | move /lib bak |
| 23:45.02 | zeorin | reboot again |
| 23:45.09 | zeorin | Still not enough space |
| 23:45.50 | zeorin | Boot again into Ubuntu Live CD image, mount disk, and resize the partitions (thank god for LVM), reboot, and finally everything is peachy :) |
| 23:45.53 | zeorin | Close one |
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| 23:59.48 | zeorin | keltim: so far haven't noticed any systemd/upstart issues... even from added repository packages. It really was smooth as a whistle except for my own mistakes |
