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00:14.45linuxthefishhow can i suspend debian 8 from command line as non root?
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00:20.32wizzy____Hey. When using make-kpkg, is it possible to specific an extra 'provides' package in the debian/conntrol file?
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00:26.07wizzy____Or maybe to reprhase, when compiling a kernel with make-kpkg, the generated linux-headers package only provides 'linux-headers' and not 'linux-headers-amd64' which another package depends on
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00:37.25peterrooneyI thought the kernel included a direct "make deb-pkg"
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00:51.01cmhobbsi've got a vps running wheezy that i'd like to update to jessie without a reinstall.  can anyone point me to links on how to do that?  i seem to recall doing that with the machine i'm on now.  i'm pretty sure i didn't do a fresh install with it
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00:54.11ctmjr!wheezy->jessie
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00:57.20ctmjrdpkg: wheezy->jessie
00:57.21dpkgRead (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj .   In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie".  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.  3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.  See also <jessie sysvinit>.
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00:57.25cmhobbsi think i've found it
00:57.26cmhobbsthanks
00:58.54bagbobilginswizzy____: linux-headers is not a real package, it is provided by the amd64 package in  your case
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01:47.30Resiliencea little OFFTOPIC, does somebody knows a channel to ask about boxes for diy NAS systems?
01:48.17castwhat about boxes
01:48.54castif they run debian, and the question isn't too HW focused, this could be ontopic for here
01:49.55wizzy____bagbobilgins: i know it's not a real package. The problem is when compiling a kernel using make-kpkg, the generated package doesn't provde the 'linux-headers-amd64' "meta" package, only 'linux-headers'
01:50.23Resiliencecast, it is hardware oriented, I would like to find some boxes for fitting 2-drive and 4-drives with a small x86 motherboard, and the size similar to a commercial NAS
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01:52.12castthere are some ARM based NAS boxes that come with 1-2 drives, that ship with debian derivatives, on which one can put on vanilla debian [exception: replacing the kernel with a vanilla one may be a bit of work]. the WD my cloud has a single drive, but iirc there's something out there with 2.
01:53.49Resiliencecast, I know it, but I never had worked wit arm-debian, and I don't have any confidence on propietary hardware from NAS manufacturers, about compatibility issues and such
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01:55.58qxtI have two servers behind a firewall. Both servers are listening on port 443 (ssl) The problem I have is I can only port forward 443 to one server. That is how my firewall works. Is there a way to get the other server listen on some other port for ssl?
01:56.40castmost hardware is proprietary :( but fair enough
01:59.31Resiliencecast, I know most of it is propietary, and I hace no issues about that, but a COTS motherboard has more chances of not having issues than a OTS board...
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02:01.37petemcqxt: you can have a server listen on any port but you cant control the clients
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02:02.33jmcnaughtqxt: have one server listen for all of the connections, and proxy to the second server for sites hosted there
02:02.42qxtwhat about if I pass the port in the url ? Like https://poopiedoopie.com:777 ?
02:03.00qxtwoudl that even work?
02:03.28petemcyes
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02:04.02qxtjmcnaught, prolly gonna do what you said there. Thx petemc  for the feedback
02:05.35petemcnp, good suggestion from jmcnaught
02:05.52Resiliencecast, some suggerecen of channels?
02:06.29petemcjmcnaught: does the proxying affect ssl stuff?
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02:07.01jmcnaughtpetemc: the first server would need to handle the SSL
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02:08.32petemcand that works for 2 seperate domains/ssl certs?
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02:09.05petemcseparate
02:10.19jmcnaughtpetemc: yeah it should work using Server Name Indication (SNI) which all browsers support by now. You can have lots of domains using https on a single IP with SNI
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02:10.46castResilience: there is a hardware channel, but tbh i search through the web and newegg for relatively simple questions like 'which case+mobo'
02:10.50cmhobbszykotick9, always a pleasure! :D
02:11.58Resiliencecast, I have find some cases for mini pc's and such, but thy are still too big, or too clunky, or too whatever... and in the NAS boxes it seems I cannot fit a ow power intel mobo
02:14.21jmcnaughtResilience: you could also try asking in ##linux about devices that can take custom linux installs
02:14.44Resiliencejmcnaught, I was interested in working with debian
02:14.55zykotick9cmhobbs: sidenote, i've always has very good success upgrading debian from release to release, unlike MANY other distros i've used.  obviously, ymmv - best of luck.
02:15.03zykotick9s/has/had/
02:15.05jmcnaughtResilience: of course, but if you can install any kind of linux on it, you can install debian
02:15.22Resiliencejmcnaught, oh, yes, sorry xD
02:15.32cmhobbszykotick9, the upgrade went well but a couple of my packages blew up.  i just burned down the server because i'd rather self host
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02:15.36cmhobbson my own hardware
02:15.38cmhobbsi don't like using a vps
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02:17.17zykotick9cmhobbs: did you see libreboot now supports some server boards!  4/6 core amd cpus supported - WAY more powerful then my current r400.  gotta get me one of those in the near future.
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02:21.36petemcjmcnaught: out of interest, does the machine doing the proxying hold all the keys, or does the proxy pass that stuff to proxied hosts?
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02:23.26jmcnaughtpetemc: the solution i had in mind means that all of the keys are on the public facing server.
02:23.42petemcok cheers
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02:26.58jmcnaughtpetemc: i think the technical term is TLS termination proxy
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02:46.11cmhobbszykotick9, that's awesome!  i didn't see it.  i'll dig up some info
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03:36.00shawnis there a place that can force a command to be run when a user logs in with ssh? i'm trying to make them run a command which updates their .htaccess whitelist
03:36.17shawn/etc/profile.d wont work because that depends on what shell they are using
03:37.00beergearI thought I remembered sshd_config having an option to do that...
03:37.30shawnbeergear: that forces that command *instead* of the command they issued
03:38.04beergearAhh ok
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03:40.18shawni could put at the end of the whitelist script "exec $passwdshell --login" , and $passwdshell will be the shell in /etc/passwd file for that user
03:40.57shawnseems kinda hacky though
03:43.05Specshawn: you could probably do it via pam?
03:45.42shawnSpec: ah i found the answer by using pam as a search keyword
03:45.49shawnhttp://serverfault.com/questions/279746/execute-program-each-time-somebody-logs-in-via-ssh-into-a-linux-box
03:46.00shawn/etc/ssh/sshrc
03:47.23Specshawn: i'd use pam_exec
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03:54.24shawntheres a PermitUserRC
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04:00.31sgflthow do i configure eth0 in a way that it has a static ip as well as dhcp, even when dhcp fails?
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04:34.22gtristanHi, seems I forget how to navigate the debian packages websites... lets say I have this easily findable URL: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/policykit-1
04:34.48gtristanquestion is, where can I see the postinst file and the rest of the debian metadata for the package ?
04:34.56gtristanseems to recall he could do that
04:35.51themillgtristan: sources.debian.net is the only place where you'll find the maintainer scripts (other than just downloading the .deb and looking at it yourself)
04:36.41gtristanhmmm, maybe I was downloading the package last time I did this
04:37.04gtristanrecalls looking at mysqld scripts as a reference for another package he was building
04:37.35gtristanthemill, thanks, I'm looking at sources.debian.net
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04:40.22gtristanodd though, looking at say: http://sources.debian.net/src/mate-polkit/1.8.0%2Bdfsg1-4/debian/
04:40.44gtristancannot find the installation scripts, while clearly polkit needs to have it's user created somehow
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05:35.21daniel-sHi
05:35.32d3fault_Is package bitcoind perma-sid? I was surprised it didn't make it into Jessie. How come it never even goes into testing?
05:35.32daniel-sFor a unix process, is -10 the highest or lowest level?
05:35.50d3fault_daniel-s: man nice
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05:42.15nkuttlerd3fault_: you should probably ask in #bitcoin. it has some very specific build requirements that might or might not be in debian
05:42.18daniel-scool. Thanks d3fault_
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05:43.55nkuttlerd3fault_: namely libdb4.8 which is gone since squeeze
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05:45.25d3fault_nkuttler: oic, thanks
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07:39.57aswinHi all
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07:40.17swift110-phoneHsy
07:40.34aswinI need to switch debian-gnome to xfce
07:41.04aswinI installed xfce successfully
07:41.24aswinNow I need to remove gnome. How to do that.
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07:42.19swift110-phoneI don't like xfce but mate is awesome no pun intended
07:42.40markybob!remove gnome
07:42.40dpkgTo remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2.  Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
07:43.08aswinmarkybob: why?
07:43.21markybobbecause you asked to remove gnome ...
07:43.54markybobdid i just walk through a wormhole?
07:44.12aswinmarkybob: "! remove gnome" I thought you were saying "Not remove gnome"
07:44.14aswin:)
07:44.36markybobaswin, it calls the bot to give a factoid
07:44.55aswink got it (y)
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07:59.16linuxatorhow to get the serial pci module?
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08:00.27linuxatorfor this device:Multiport serial controller: Brain Boxes Device 0aa1 (rev 01)
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08:16.04castis my assumption that apt-get -b source pkg does a digital signature check on the source thats downloaded correct?
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08:40.29rn10950I just installed Debian on a triple boot with Win98 and Win2k. Partition 1 (pri) is FAT32 [/dev/hda1] (DOS/Win98), partiton 2 (pri) is NTFS [/dev/hda2] (Win2k) and there are a few empty extended partitions inside a logical partition (partition 3) and then finally Partiton 7 (ext) which is ext4 [/dev/hda7] (debian). The issue is that niether GRUB nor any other boot manager on the UBCD (including
08:40.29rn10950PLOP) can't find the extended partition that debian is on. is there a way to fix this?
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08:50.38linuxatorhow could I get the nonfree realtek firmware ?
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08:53.03castthere's a firmware-realtek in non-free
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08:56.52babilendpkg: tell linuxator -about non-free sources
08:56.58babilendpkg: tell linuxator -about jessie sources.list
08:57.19babilenlinuxator: Make sure to run "apt update" after you made changes to your sources.list
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08:58.09linuxatorcast,babilen:ok,thanx a lot
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09:08.58linuxatori always get this warning:"WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!"Is it a serious one?
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09:10.33babilenlinuxator: It probably means that a keyring package is outdated or that you are using unsupported third-party repository and didn't accept their key. We could have to see the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and "apt update" to help with that. Paste it to http://paste.debian.net and provide the link please
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09:18.44linuxatorbabilen: here: https://paste.debian.net/315346/
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09:20.15babilenlinuxator: And the command that complains?
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09:21.54linuxatorit complains whenever i install any package
09:21.58babilen(and you might want to run "apt update" again until you get all files. If the "E: Some index files failed to download…" error persists you might want to switch to a different one)
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09:23.05babilenlinuxator: What does "apt list --upgradable" and "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" give you?
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09:23.48babilenlinuxator: Also paste the exact "complain" you see
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09:26.06linuxatorhttps://paste.debian.net/315348/yes it persists.i can't get rid of it.here:
09:26.44linuxatorbabilen: yes it persists.i can't get rid of it.here: https://paste.debian.net/315348/
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09:30.11babilenlinuxator: Might be a dodgy mirror. Which country are you in?
09:30.27linuxatorEgypt
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09:32.33babilenOkay, just for trying things: Mind changing httpredir.debian.org to ftp.de.debian.org in your sources.list and re-running "apt update". It would *still* really help to see the actual error. I'll also have to depart soonish, but that might solve things.
09:32.50babilenYou can find a complete list of mirrors on https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
09:33.27babilenThere are country specific ones (ftp.XX.debian.org) and the actual mirrors that stand behind these "collections"
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09:45.06linuxatorbabilen: i think thissolved it.I could run 'aptitude update' without complains
09:45.28babilenlinuxator: Okay, it looks to be a problem that is specific to your particular mirror then
09:46.09linuxatorand it's much faster now.thanx a lot
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09:46.56babilenThe output of "wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz 2>&1 | grep Location" should tell us which mirror it is. Feel free to report it to #debian-mirrors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
09:47.46linuxatoryes,sure i will
09:47.51babilenlinuxator: You might want to try different mirrors on the list too. I suggested the German one (as I know that it is fine), but there might be another one that is "closer" to your network-wise and just as reliable (e.g. Algeria, Israel, ...)
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09:48.38babilenNot saying that there is anything wrong with ftp.de.debian.org, feel free to just use it and be "glücklich" (happy in German)
09:49.22linuxatori'd rather stick to this one.I always used it and it never failed me
09:49.36babilenfair enough
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09:56.00linuxatorbabilen: look how neat and elegant this is: https://paste.debian.net/315350/
09:57.13babilenWonderful
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10:18.04oo_miguelIs there some easy and fast way to create a bootable usb stick with some common tools (and optional tools I want)?
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10:19.32RoyKoo_miguel: dd
10:20.15RoyKIIRC the debian image is meant to be put on a usb thingie with just dd
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10:21.55oo_miguelI want to create my "own" debian based bootable usb stick that will provide me with some tools
10:22.22oo_miguela custom rescue usb stick
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10:23.23casthave a look at debian-live
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10:23.53cast[live.debian.net]
10:24.22oo_miguelthank you
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11:11.03hstlwhic linux academy is true one? linuxacademy.com or linuxacademy.org ?
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11:12.27RoyKhstl: looks like two different things
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11:13.20hstlRoyK, that's why i am asking
11:15.51ewewCheck whois
11:16.41RoyKhstl: I can't find a physical address for the .com one, which makes me sceptical. whois for the .com one says panama, making me even more sceptical
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11:29.27ilmaisinhi, why is there no compiz in debian anymore?
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11:32.55nkuttler!compiz
11:32.56dpkgCompiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering.  Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864).  Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz.  For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager».  See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
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11:35.00ilmaisinwell, compiz IS being developed
11:35.42ilmaisinand i haven't yet found another wm that would simply add desktop effects like windows spread to mate, xfce or lxde
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11:38.00InFerNo_does anyone have a good source to install a custom kernel? I'm using wheezy and I'd like to upgrade to kernel 4.1, which is not available via apt
11:38.07InFerNo_upgrading to jessie is not an option
11:38.33InFerNo_if possible at all
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11:44.12lpopov_InFerNo_, https://kernel.org/ ?
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11:59.04InFerNo_lpopov_, that doesn't really deal with Debian 7 and things I should be paying attention to
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12:06.34El-Aurianhi, I'm trying to figure out why I can't find the hplip package through aptitude (https://packages.debian.org/jessie/hplip)
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12:07.21El-AurianI have the jessie main, jessie non-free and jessie contrib repositories
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12:08.40El-AurianI expect hplip to be in the main repositories because it's freely licensed (http://hplipopensource.com/node/296)
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12:09.22El-Aurianbut aptitude search hplip returns nothing. I can't even find anything with aptitude search .* | grep "hplip\|HPLIP".
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12:09.39themill!show sources.list El-Aurian
12:09.40dpkgEl-Aurian: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list.  The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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12:12.44El-Aurianhttp://pastebin.com/gnqwRHZ8
12:13.07bazhangnice sed
12:13.41themilldpkg: tell El-Aurian about jessie sources.list
12:13.50themillEl-Aurian: there is no ftp.gb.debian.org
12:13.51bazhang,v hplip
12:13.52juddPackage: hplip on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.6-1+b2; stretch: 3.14.6-1+b2; sid: 3.14.6-1+b2
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12:17.21El-Aurianthemill: is there a gb mirror?
12:18.13jellythere's ftp.uk.debian.org
12:19.05El-Aurianjelly: I thought UK was ukraine
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12:19.30themillthe redirector doesn't need to know country codes
12:19.33gooniebhello ther e, trying to run an initscript, command works but init doesn't, why?
12:20.22gooniebor how to debug :/
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12:20.51El-Aurianthemill: does the httpredir distribute load across all mirrors, or does it select the closet mirror?
12:21.17jellyEl-Aurian: it picks a close, working one
12:21.57themillwhere "working" is prioritised over other things
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12:53.45Niteyei hav an annoying bug in debian/linux, if you make an encrypted root and swap, every so often the swap will become corrupt, saying "cryptsetup: cannot find lvm" , anyway, how do i fix it? it hangs at boot (where it asks the passprhase) and eventually says it cannot find a disk with UUID xx, i recreate the swap partition, change the new uuid in /etc/crypttab , but it still keeps looking for the old uuid during boot
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12:54.27El-Aurianthemill, jelly: thanks
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12:55.55linuxatorhow coule I get 'setserial  /dev/ttyS2 port 0xc000 irq 20 uart 16550A'run at boot time?
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12:58.21Niteyeyou could put it in /etc/rc.loca
12:58.23Niteyeyou could put it in /etc/rc.local
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13:27.01linuxatorNiteye: done,thanx
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13:32.06sbeexhey guys !
13:32.22sbeexI would like to do a centralized authentification system for multiple computer
13:32.26sbeexis ldap a good start point ?
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13:53.36Amun_Rasbeex: yes
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14:01.15DinduksHi. I want to disable my internal sound card when my external one is connected. What are the right keywords to google to do that?
14:01.59Amun_Rauhm, ain't bios setting sufficient?
14:02.08bazhang,v pavucontrol
14:02.09juddPackage: pavucontrol on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
14:02.41bazhanguse a pulseaudio tools to select the one you want?
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14:03.02juddPackage: padevchooser on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.3-2; jessie: 0.9.4-1.1
14:03.09Dinduksbazhang: I want it done automatically.
14:03.21mnsAnyone have Hulu working on their Debian/stable system ?
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14:03.56Dinduksbazhang: I'm looking for a more "general" way to do it (for sound card, hard drive, etc.)
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14:04.35mnsDinduks: maybe write a udev and/or systemd rule to detect external sound card and trigger some script that disables the internal one ?
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14:08.33Dinduksmns: I don't get acpi events when I plug USB devices. I'll look into the udev thing.
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14:14.48mnsDinduks: there should be an event occuring when you plugin USB devices.  I'm not sure where they show up now-a-days, but one upon a time it used to be in the udev logs.  I believe systemd has replaced udev so you may not find udev on yoru system if its a newer system.
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14:15.47mnsOr I may just be confusing things like is usually the case :)
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14:23.27babilenmns: udev is still going, simply merged into systemd source tree (cf. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392 )
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14:30.04mnsbabilen: thanks for the clarification.  I still don't fully understand this whole new systemd init system or what got replaced and why.  But not being a sysadmin these days, I don't delve too deep into such things anyway, as long as the system works.  These days, my concern is more about getting things like Hulu to work on my debian system :)
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14:34.41JyZyXELis there a standard mechanism to recommend the classification change of a bug?
14:34.53JyZyXELfrom Normal -> Serious for example
14:36.16castmns: yeah....a lot of us don't fully understand :)
14:36.48Dinduksmns Ok thanks for the information :)
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14:42.39mnscast:  yeah I've read that.  To me, systemd feels like Linux on AIX medication; than again it has been 15+ years since I moved away from being a sysadmin.
14:43.30mnsso it seems in order to get Hulu working, you now have to install HAL, which has been obsoleted for 4 years or so at least ?  Way to go Hulu.
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14:48.00castfortunately its trivial to replace systemd with sysvinit
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14:51.53_abc_cast: for now. I hope it stays that way.
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14:56.35JyZyXELleaving the keyscript= support out of systemd was a pretty bad move
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14:56.47makaluhttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers this tells me how to configure xorg with nvidia proprietary driver. What do I put in the "Identifier" key? The example says "My GPU"?
14:57.00jim87hello! I'm trying to convince one of my friends to try out Debian. She's a typical girl who is able to make disasters with the computer and usually use it only for Office and a browser (to let you understand the target). While I'm way used to work with the terminal, I'm afraid she wouldn't understand how even Synaptic works (i.e. search for "LibreOffice" and you won't find only the LibreOffice, but all the packages regarding it. I don't want
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14:57.31disconnechtfor making .ovpn files with attached keys, as explained here -- https://paste.debian.net/plain/315369 -- is there a tool for doing this on debian or should i just make a bash script?
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14:58.52jim87makalu: if I don't remember wrong, it should just be a label, so yes, whatever to let you understand that's the video card
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15:01.46jim87oh, it seems GNOME's "Software" is what I'm looking for :)
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15:58.28jellyjpinx: apt-cache search get.iplayer
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15:59.46jelly,v get-iplayer
15:59.48juddPackage: get-iplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.78-2; sid: 2.94-1; stretch: 2.94-1
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16:01.20jpinxtks jelly - judd was lieing to me ;)
16:01.23jontheseekerI'm getting a no public key available on apt-get update. I've already tried apt-get install debian-archive-keyring with no avail
16:02.55jellyjontheseeker: which debian release?
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16:03.58jontheseekerDebian Wheezy
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16:07.11jontheseekerI'm downloading the latest installation media, or at least the first dvd. I'm just looking to set up a headless server
16:07.59ompauljontheseeker: so get the netinstall cd it's much smaller
16:08.07ompaulyou get to install what you want and get yourself sorted
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16:11.08dynektrying to boot EFI -> grub: first issue is that kernel and init lines say "linux" and "initrd" but seems that it has to be "linuxefi" and "initrdefi". Also it keeps saying "vmlinuz has invalid signature". Google doesn't seem happy to help me today. I'm stuck.
16:11.25dynekIf anyone has a clue, I'd appreciate it :-)
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16:12.02tuxlinskiI had the same problem...and switch to Legacy :-(
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16:12.37dynekthis bios doesn't have such option :-(
16:12.39dynekIt's a tablet
16:12.49ompaularm tablet?
16:12.52dynekx86
16:13.11ompaulwhat model?
16:13.27ompaulyou first turn off win 8 only and then
16:13.52ompaulyou get a lot of easy stuff - at least that is my efi method to convert to bios mode
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16:14.56dynekonda v975w
16:14.59dynekbaytrail cpu
16:15.16dynekwin8 was trashed already
16:15.39dynekodd thing is I'm able to boot the device using the install USB stick using grub> there
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16:16.00dynekwanted to use standard method to boot it but I guess I should give the usb stick EFI file a try
16:16.10dynekhaven't throught of that until I asked the question here :-)
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16:16.27jontheseekerompaul: thank you that's a wonderful idea
16:17.03ompauljontheseeker: it saves so much time :-)
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16:18.23jontheseekerThank you everyone for the help, much appreciation and love back to you guys
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16:19.05linogeas root how can i run a command as another user
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16:19.25linogesetting up services to start upon bootup in init.d and i don't wanna run some of these as root
16:19.50linogei tried su -c "command -s /bin/sh user it complains about a passwd
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16:20.49somiajlinoge: what version of debian? Jessie uses systemd by default so you should create a service file
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16:21.07somiajlinoge: and that command shouldn't ask for a password if it was run by root.
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16:23.48linogesomiaj: it helps when i use a real username lol
16:23.51linogethank you for your time
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16:25.38dynekefibootmgr says "Warning! This MBR disk does not have a unique signature. If this is not the first disk found by EFI, you may not be able to boot from it without a unique signature. Run efibootmgr with the -w flag to write a unique signature to the disk."
16:25.44dynekmight be the beginning of an answer...
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16:32.26ompauldynek: do you want to dual boot?
16:32.35ompaulor be dangerously dedicated to linux
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17:32.42dynekwoaow fixed!
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17:32.48dynekused linux and initrd instead of linuxefi and initrd
17:33.26dynekalso root=UUID=blabla doesn't work
17:33.31dynekI had to use root=/dev/mmcblk0p2
17:33.37randomhi guys. i suddenly have no more sound after muting and unmuting the sound icon, using xfce. i restarted, unplugged and replugged the wires, but I don't know what I can do to check where the problem comes from. anyone has an idea?
17:34.05g00sexcfe4-mixer
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17:34.40randomg00se: went here, everything seems ok. how can I be sure?
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17:35.42nekomimimaidhello, i am running a debian 8.2 standard live system, and i would like to know what the default user credentials are
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17:35.50g00seHave you enough controls showing?
17:36.07g00seuser:live ?
17:36.07nekomimimaid?
17:36.18randomi have 11 of them, do you want me to write them down?
17:36.41nekomimimaidokay, thank you g00se
17:36.46g00seWell amixer | pastebinit might be easier
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17:36.57nekomimimaidthere doesn't seem to be any immediately apparent documentation for this
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17:37.33g00seFor some reason the credentials seem to be kept rather dark
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17:37.44randomg00se: http://pastebin.com/vU5Nr7e6
17:38.40randomg00se: noticed the front left and right were off, but still have no sound after unmuting them (do I need to restart a daemon or something?)
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17:38.47ewewrandom Do you have pulseaudio installed ?
17:39.00randomewew: i think so
17:39.15randomat least i can type pulseaudio in a console, it autocompletes and does something
17:39.35ewewrandom Check it if it is not muted.
17:39.44randomewew: how may I?
17:40.31ewewrandom With pulseaudio Volume Controll.
17:41.01randomi've got to type this in a terminal ? (sorry about my lack of knowledge on the subject :X)
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17:41.21ewewrandom Do you have a gui installed ?
17:41.34bootnekomimimaid, also: if you're installing from jessie 8.1 live standard plus nonfree, it doesn't install sudo, so if you don't make a root password you're sol.
17:41.40boot8.2*
17:41.41randomi don't think so, when I type pulseaudio in the xfce application menu, there is no matches
17:41.42g00seThere are not many mixer controls in that pastebin
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17:42.00nekomimimaidboot, i don't agree with sudo's existence :)
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17:42.15nekomimimaidboot, but i also don't agree with avahi, rpcbind, and exim
17:42.28randomg00se: in the xfce4-mixer gui, i have "master, headphone (muted), PCM, Front, Front Mic (muted), Front Mic Boost, Line-in (muted) Line Boost, CD (muted), Rear Mic (muted) and Read Mic Boost"
17:42.30nekomimimaidwhich seem to have come back as 8.1 didn't have these up by default
17:42.45bootnekomimimaid, that's fine, just make a root password or you'll be dead in the water.
17:42.47ewewrandom You must install the pulseaudio mixer.
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17:43.14nekomimimaidand rpcbind doesn't actually stop as a service when asked to by "service rpcbind stop"
17:43.20randomewew: no doubt I will, but sound worked perfectly before without it
17:43.28nekomimimaidevery time you restart another service, so does rpcbind
17:43.36nekomimimaidshitty software included by default
17:43.56ewewrandom I know. This same thing happend to me.
17:44.17randommy idea was to play a raw sound as root, but I don't know how to do this exactly
17:44.43g00seWhy do you want to do that btw?
17:45.03randomi thought it could help me check if the problem came from my user's configuration, or from a lower level
17:45.11randombut it might not be helpful i guess
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17:46.34randomso I need pavucontrol ? but I had same kind of problems months ago, and I fixed it my rebooting and replugging the wires
17:46.37g00seIt could make it more complex
17:46.40ewewIt looks like irc server ircd-irc2 can not be installed on debian 8.
17:46.55randomand people on this same channel told me it was a bad idea to install it, it could cause incompatibilities
17:47.18g00seWhat happens with speaker-test?
17:47.26randomg00se: nothing
17:47.47randomi tried "speaker-test -c2 -t wav" as Internet told me to
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17:48.11ewewrandom Install pavucontroll.
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17:49.01randomwait what
17:49.05randomi just had a sound
17:49.06randomlike right now
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17:49.22lollo98ciao
17:49.23ewewThe ircd-irc2 is in half installed state and its now started.
17:49.25randomwhat the HELL, didn't do anything x)
17:49.44randombut besides that VLC doesn't play any sound
17:49.49randomwhat the HELL is going on
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17:50.32g00seTry a Windows-esque solution: reboot
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17:51.07randomg00se: i'll let the microsoft wisdom flow through me
17:51.08random:P
17:51.14Peiodoes someone know how you can use Pocket with iceweasel ? it's supposed to be integrated so there is no addon but I can't find it anywhere
17:51.17ewewThis is weird. It is running /bin/sh /etc/init.d/ircd-irc2 start.
17:51.48ewewShould i file a bug report on this ?
17:52.07randomok, relaunched VLC, looks like I have sound now
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17:52.36randomI have NO IDEA what happened in there. it might be a story to tell our grandchildren : "did I tell you the time a ghost haunted a computer?"
17:52.39ewewrandom I say its design is wacked on the head.
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17:53.31random(ewew: being a non-native english speaker, I have no idea what this means)
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17:56.11ewewrandom The author is hit on the head with a big stick.
17:56.28randomoh.
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17:59.54randomanyway thanks for your support guys :) it's really appreciable!
18:01.25nathan__hello I've installed wicd for manage my network but now I would like to move to networkmanager because wicd does not seem to have vpn functionality, but I cannot install wicd and nm together...how should I proceed?
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18:03.00somiajnathan__: please don't cross post
18:03.49ompaulcos you'll lose your answers
18:03.58ompauleh?
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18:06.54randomsituation update... skype sound didn't work though... after rebooting, sounds doesn't work anymore...
18:06.58ewewDoes anyone know about some site where can i find details for ircd.conf ?
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18:10.30stavaI'm getting an error when I try to boot my debian 7 server (it's run inside a headless virtual box): "Initframfs unpacking failed: broken padding" and "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found."
18:10.56EightynineHi. I have crappy quality on YouTube which codecs should I install?
18:11.06stavaThis started when I did an apt-get upgrade, the system froze, i rebooted and I got another error about it being unable to boot and that I had to run "fsck" on /dev/sda1, I did, and then this happened
18:12.03stavaGoing into rescue mode I am able to mount /dev/sda1 (which is /boot)
18:12.07stavaBut I can not boot
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18:12.46stavagrub-install said something about /dev/sda1 not having a partition table or something
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18:12.51teclo-free: called with already freed block argument
18:13.15teclo-... huh ? What's that ?
18:14.58stavaAlso i'm running lvm if that's relevant
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18:20.48stavaCan I somehow format and reinstall /boot?
18:21.29AvatarAfirst you should try to regenerate your initrd
18:21.37randomanother update: i installed pavucontrol, and unmuted the sound card. seems to work now... i'll try to keep you informed if there are some strange changes
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18:22.21stavaAvatarA: how is that done?
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18:22.46AvatarAupdate-initramfs -u -k all
18:23.09AvatarAif you can boot and mount your boot/root partition
18:23.19stava"/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 has been altered"
18:23.23stavause -t to override
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18:23.24stavai guess
18:23.57sigilNote to self: file uploads on paste.debian.net are for text files, not screenshots... https://paste.debian.net/315390/
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18:25.56stavaAvatarA: I think that fixed it
18:25.57stavathanks
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18:47.52randomhello Agiofws
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18:48.55tsoutsekihello. I've asked this before, but I lost my logs. How could I skip the waiting screen that waits for me to choose debian when I boot up?
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18:49.41Agiofwsi am having a big issue on my pc. everything seems normal until the grub screen and then once i select debian to load it loads for about 5 screen terminal lines and then just halts or sits there. i have to reboot for about 5 times to get into its login manager. could this be a disk failure? this does not happen when i chose windows to load. what could be the problem ? how can i log this or even search the logs so i can fix this pro
18:49.41Agiofwsblem?
18:50.24randomAgiofws: i'm far from being a pro, but yeah, it could be a disk or a ram problem? have you tried memtests or smart test?
18:50.33Agiofwstsoutseki, change the  seconds for the time out for your default option in grub?
18:50.42randomand, do you have enough time to read these lines?
18:50.52tsoutsekiAgiofws, what is the file?
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18:51.01tsoutsekii mean in which directory
18:51.24Agiofwsno not yet random  should i ? yes i do have enough time to read the lines its just after those that it hangs...
18:51.43Agiofwstsoutseki,  search for grub2 configure time out
18:51.59Agiofwsrandom,  can i search logs?
18:52.03AvatarAit's /etc/default/grub
18:52.13mtnAgiofws: does it hang on the same line each time?  if so, what does the last line say?
18:52.15Agiofwsi don;t even know if the HALT is being logged
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18:52.26mtnAgiofws: sorry, not for you.
18:52.29Agiofwsyes mtn  same line
18:52.45mtnAgiofws: what does the line say?
18:52.49Agiofwsit says mpu-401 device not found
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18:53.16Agiofwsand also above that  usb port 5 something,,,
18:53.19tsoutsekiAgiofws, did 'find -name grub2' and it found nothing. also, i remember than after changing the timeout, i also had to restart something.
18:53.26tsoutsekii can't find the wiki
18:53.35Agiofwsgoogle it tsoutseki
18:54.06Agiofwsshould i starts from logs or try memtest?
18:54.11mtnAgiofws: do you have a mpu-401 device connected? is it listed in your /etc/fstab?
18:54.20markybobtsoutseki, he told you. /etc/default/grub  change GRUB_TIMEOUT then run update-grub
18:54.20Agiofwsno its not in fstab
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18:54.46mtnAgiofws: it got the name from somewhere, not by accident
18:54.59tsoutsekiok thanks
18:55.21Agiofwslet me dmesg to see if i can find the line
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18:57.03Agiofwsmtn,  its not the device thats to blame i get the message each time i boot i think i searched it on line and i think its something got to do with the sound cards
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18:57.25Agiofwsmy problem is that i have to reboot 3-5 times to get into my OS
18:57.28mtnAgiofws: ok. this was working before?
18:57.40Agiofws[   10.172606] MPU-401 device not found or device busy
18:57.52Agiofwseverything is working
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18:58.13Agiofwsits not line something us broken...
18:58.36mtnAgiofws: is this a new problem or something you had ever since you intalled debian?
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18:59.14Agiofwssince i installed debian it
18:59.21Agiofwsnot new
18:59.28Agiofwsits an old machine though
18:59.30mtnAgiofws: ah. which version of debian?
18:59.37Agiofws1.5 GB Pentium4
18:59.40Agiofwsjessie
18:59.53mtnAgiofws: did you install from usb?
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18:59.57Agiofwsno
19:00.31mtnAgiofws: did you try installing again?
19:00.47Agiofwsno
19:00.57Agiofwsmtn,  http://codepad.org/wfyTNa7v
19:01.23Agiofwsjust frustraited i have to reboot 3-4 times when i have to get into the os
19:01.33jjdavis699so.....
19:01.36jjdavis699hello
19:01.47jjdavis699waves
19:02.00randomAgiofws: i had these kind of problems once, i remember the solution was in the bios configuration
19:02.04randomdon't know if it can help you :P
19:02.24jjdavis699well....my machine is handling this distro semi-well.....
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19:02.38Agiofwsi've also tried the bios conf... but i have not eliminated the problem
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19:03.16mtnAgiofws: it mentions a machine hardware error.  right before that was the keyboard. plug your keyboard into a different usb port or try them all
19:03.28Agiofwsrandom,  what log should i check for the boot logs just before this one?
19:04.08randomAgiofws: honestly no idea :x just tryin' to help with the little i know
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19:04.35mtnAgiofws: http://askubuntu.com/questions/605369/mce-hardware-error-machine-check-events-logged-appears-in-syslog-what-sho
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19:04.43Agiofwsmtn,  i though the usb ports were to blame so i unlpugged all usb devs  but it still halted so when it booted i just plugged the jb and the mouse in thats why i have those messages in the end
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19:07.04jellyAgiofws: mcelog may show something.
19:08.32Agiofwsjelly,  hardware problem?
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19:09.09jellypossibly, see what mcelog says
19:09.17Agiofwsjelly,  not such package in debian
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19:09.32jelly,i mcelog
19:09.33juddPackage mcelog (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: x86 Machine Check Exceptions collector and decoder. Version: 104-1; Size: 56.5k; Installed: 185k; Homepage: http://mcelog.org/
19:09.55jellyAgiofws: install it
19:10.06Agiofwssynaptic does not find it
19:10.29jellyAgiofws: fix your sources.list, then
19:10.33enkiduhello guys. google bites, so I am aksing here - after updating to gcc5 built sid I found, that flash player is very slow. Anyone else got this?
19:10.37jellydpkg, tell Agiofws about jessie sources.list
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19:11.19jellyenkidu: ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net... not much help for sid in here these days
19:11.34Agiofwsok  installed it
19:11.55enkiduargh, I joined channel on wrong server, again
19:12.08jellywrong channel, too
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19:13.41Agiofwsnow how do i use it or what am i looking for
19:14.37jellyI don't remember, you'll have to figure that out on your own
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19:15.12jellybut basically the CPU has MCE somewhere, and mcelog can show an interpretation of the last error
19:16.28Agiofwsdmesg.0  ?
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19:17.49jellythat's just a rotated log file
19:18.02bugoffDoes Debian Linux out of the box have ZERO problems reading and writing NTFS?
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19:18.41bugoffAlso, what about TrueCrypt compatibility? I don't mean file containers, but entire disks.
19:18.51RoyKbugoff: you need fuse to use ntfs
19:18.56bugoff"fuse" = ?
19:19.01RoyK!fuse
19:19.01dpkgFUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc.  Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14.  For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSE_Filesystem .  http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ  http://fuse.sf.net/  ##fuse on irc.freenode.net.
19:19.19bugoff"Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14."
19:19.26bugoffIsn't Linux at v4 or something now?
19:19.47jellyyes it is, debian 8 has kernel 3.16.something
19:19.48bugoffAlso, what is "ntfs-3g"?
19:20.00bugoffAnd Tar files... how are they a file system?
19:20.16bugoffSo the answer is: "Yes, it has zero problems out of the box with reading/writing NTFS"?
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19:20.32bugoffBecause that is a must for me.
19:20.35jellybugoff: ntfs-3g is the free ntfs read-write driver, the thing you're going to use
19:20.39bugoffSeeing as 100% of my data is on NTFS.
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19:20.49Agiofwsjelly,   what could be the reason of my system not booting 4/5 times After grub?
19:20.59RoyKbugoff: why would you use ntfs on linux?
19:21.07bugoffRoyK: What did I just type?
19:21.12jellyAgiofws: fuck if I know, did you get anything out of mcelog?
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19:21.40bugoffAll my hard disks are on NTFS and TrueCrypted.
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19:21.52Agiofwsi'll have to learn how to use it do i have to reboot so it can log?
19:21.56bugoffThe fact that even basic operation is failing these days on Windows is forcing me to switch.
19:22.06jellyAgiofws: no, just install it
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19:22.32bugoffI'm afraid I'm gonna encounter some sort of problem during the installation and have no way to ask for help.
19:22.40bugoffSo I'm trying to think of every possible source of error beforehand.
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19:23.13Agiofwsmcelog --client
19:23.20bugoffA major problem I expect to happen is the failure to mount TrueCrypt volumes.
19:23.30jelly!truecrypt
19:23.30dpkgTrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under the DFSG definition) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>.  Development of TrueCrypt ended in May 2014.
19:23.39bugoffAnd ShadowPlay probably won't work on Linux.
19:23.57AgiofwsHardware event. This is not a software error.
19:24.01jellybugoff: since it's not free software, debian will never have truecrype
19:24.05EightynineI have low resolution on YouTube, which codecs should I install? In Iceweasel I enabled formats by changing mediasource settings and now I have all resolutions but I have tearing in Iceweasel. I want to use Chromium.
19:24.07bugoff(ShadowPlay is Nvidia's semi-hardware screen recorder which makes beautiful small and high-quality video/audio recordings of the entire screen.)
19:24.12AgiofwsMCi status:
19:24.13AgiofwsUncorrected error
19:24.18bugoffjelly: Um...
19:24.25bugoffAFAIK, it's open source and shit.
19:24.56Agiofwshttp://codepad.org/1Plxr7si jelly
19:25.12bugoffWhat do you suggest I do with all my hard disks that are already in NTFS and TrueCrypt?
19:25.16jellybugoff: debian has quite specific definition of what constitutes "free" and the bot says truecrypt doesn't satisfy all the conditions
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19:25.36bugoffSo what's the gist of what you're saying? I can't have TrueCrypt support?
19:26.00jellynot from debian.  Maybe from someone else, or maybe there's a free reimplementation
19:26.11bugoffUgh.
19:26.18bugoffNow there's a major obstacle...
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19:26.40RoyKI wouldn't trust truecrypt much
19:26.41jellyAgiofws: now you google for "Processor context corrupt" and "MCA: Internal Timer error" I guess
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19:27.20RoyKAgiofws: is mcilog installed?
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19:27.28AgiofwsRoyK,  yes
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19:28.45RoyKmcelog, that is
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19:29.11jellyRoyK: he just pasted output of mcelog
19:29.14raboofI see some tearing/stuttering when using chrome - for example when viewing something like http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/#/ or http://acko.net/ - what could I do to track down what causes it and fix it?
19:29.33raboof(chromium, actually)
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19:33.27Agiofwsok i give up for a 100000th time
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19:34.28Eightyninesudo aptitude install chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra I can't do that it says that packages not found.
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19:35.12jellyAgiofws: the only recent result for "a20000008c010400" suggests the user, also a P4 owner, did something in BIOS to fix that message
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19:36.03jellyAgiofws: it's not exactly clear what they did.  That's from the only 2014 result in google search.
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19:37.05jellyEightynine: where's chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra referenced?
19:37.24allizomEightynine: are you using Ubuntu?
19:37.45EightynineI don't know where. No, Debian 8.2 with Gnome
19:37.55jellywhy did you think it existed?
19:38.10jelly!goal
19:38.11dpkgDescribe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
19:38.36allizomThat is not a Debian package (jelly: it is an Ubuntu package)
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19:39.28Agiofwsjelly,  do you have the url for that example?
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19:39.49EightynineI used MATE (Iinstalled system with it) but didn't like it and moved to Gnome and after removing MATE I think system removed codecs too and I can't play more than 360p on YouTube though I could before moving to Gnome
19:39.54jellyAgiofws: already closed it, just google for a20000008c010400
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19:41.17EightynineIt's strange, I found that command on one site. That site is about Debian.
19:43.08jellyAgiofws: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2257257.html
19:43.12EightynineDid you guys understand my problem?
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19:45.27Agiofwsjelly,  turn of hyperthreading maybe....
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19:52.14EightynineAdded Debian Multimedia and installed codecs but I can't play more than 360p on Chromium on YouTube.
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19:52.57allizomEightynine: don't know what Google thinks, but there's nothing stopping Youtube from serving high-resolution Webm videos
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19:54.17allizomwhy do you want to use Chromium?
19:54.20EightynineSorry, installation of codecs and logoff-logon solved problem. I opened other video and have HD selection. That video which I opened before is in crappy quality
19:54.44EightynineChromium is not causing tearing on my PC when I scrolling pages.
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19:56.54allizomHave you tried a fresh Iceweasel profile?
19:57.56EightynineYes, it's fresh installation of Iceweasel.
19:58.22hashtag_So I look for a general solution to this: Checking whether a file (textual) has changed (pulled from some tool) and when it changed it should be logged + the changed file so one can see exactly when the change happened and how the file looks different now.
19:58.31hashtag_I want this automated - so just juggling manually is not an option.
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20:02.47EightynineI'm using Radeon graphics card and free driver maybe that's a cause? Iceweasel is like Firefox and has problems with Radeon graphics cards.
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20:04.47allizomEightynine: you could try disabling HW acceleration
20:05.08EightynineHow? In about:config?
20:05.45allizomIt's in Preferences / Advanced / General / Use HW acceleration
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20:06.51allizomor layers.acceleration.disabled to true
20:07.47EightynineDid anybody enable Debian Multimedia? Should I enable it?
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20:09.13EightynineIt began to lag and sometimes I have less tearing and sometimes more.
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20:09.55allizomyou have to restart Iceweasel for it to take effect if you haven't already
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20:11.18EightynineSame problem.
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20:13.07allizomdo you mean you have problems viewing videos only or with every webpage?
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20:21.54derdonhello. Since having installed some new packages (via apt-get upgrade), sound no longer works **on headphones**. sound on the speakers of my laptop do work, though
20:22.18derdon`uname -a` is "Linux lenovot540p 4.1.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.1.6-1 (2015-08-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
20:23.02towo`derdon, this is not stable or is it?
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20:23.28derdontowo`: it is testing (jessie)
20:23.45towo`derdon, then you should use dist-upgrade
20:23.56towo`upgrade is a bad idea
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20:24.46derdonah. can you tell me why? is upgrade always bad?
20:25.09towo`derdon, read the manpage, then you will understand it
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20:25.33derdonapt-get dist-upgrade says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
20:25.38derdonso nothing to change
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20:25.55EightynineWhy Debian chose Gnome?
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20:28.59derdonis it safe to change from testing to stable? "safe" as in "I won't lose any files or configurations"
20:29.43derdon"change" as in "edit the sources.list, apt-get update, dist-upgrade/upgrade whatev."
20:30.42RoyK!downgrade
20:30.43dpkgDowngrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt.  Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades.  Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number.  See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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20:31.20RoyKderdon: you can't - just backup your configuration and reinstall
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20:31.32derdonhm, thanks RoyK
20:31.52derdonactually I didn't plan to spend my sunday evening this way
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20:32.16RoyKderdon: not my fault
20:32.39derdonsure, no offense intended
20:32.53derdonwas just thinking out loud
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20:41.43ewewCan someone test ircd-irc2 package in debian 8 ?
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20:43.05Dreamixewew: how about running a virtual machine? :)
20:43.26ewewI have. But it hangs on systemctl start ircd-irc2.
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20:43.59ewewIt looks like bad config, but not sure. It happens when installing.
20:44.49Dreamixwhy would you start ircd via systemd, it's strange
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20:45.12ewewBecause debian 8 has systemd as default init.
20:45.28Dreamixthe better way is manual start by crontab
20:45.53Dreamixyeah, i know that :)
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20:46.31Dreamixbut, you can compile the ircd package by yourself, i am wondering why using ready package
20:46.43ewewIt hangs the instalation. This is a bug and i want to confirm that.
20:46.55Dreamixokay
20:47.00Dreamixi can try it
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20:47.22ewewBut have a root shell ready in case of hang.
20:47.44Dreamixi am on vmware dude
20:49.11EphexeveHey guys
20:49.18Ephexeveanyone runs debian on a macbook pro?
20:49.23Ephexevehaving some heat issues :(
20:49.36Ephexevejust by running i3 wm, it get up to 65C
20:49.46Ephexeveon a OSX, I get 50C
20:49.48Ephexeve:(
20:50.33ewewEphexeve Check with atop what process takes to much cpu. Or it could be it can not downclock the cpu, so it creates more heat.
20:50.44Ephexeveewew: Good, will do that
20:51.25ewewEphexeve Check in dmesg if there is some info on P states of CPU.
20:51.43Dreamixewew: can you provide me a link for this ircd2 or whatever
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20:52.11ewewDreamix https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ircd-irc2
20:53.01Dreamixso, no manual install :)
20:53.03Dreamixi see
20:54.02Dreamixokay, seems something is really wrong with it
20:54.10Dreamixit stops on Setting up ircd-irc2 (2.11.2p3~dfsg-4) ...
20:54.34ewewDreamix The funny thing is that is running on IPV6.
20:54.35Dreamixso i confirm it might be a bug
20:54.51ewewDreamix And it lacks documentation.
20:55.01Dreamixsure it is :)
20:55.06Dreamixso do what i suggested
20:55.15Dreamixinstall it from tar.gz
20:56.08ewewDreamix I have old debian so it would need lots of depedenicies.
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20:57.11Dreamixat least you can try :)
20:57.15Dreamixhow old?
20:57.36ewewDreamix Just a crazy idea to simulate netsplit in vbox :-D
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20:58.58Dreamixokay...
21:01.07Dreamixewew: actualy i did it, installed it
21:01.49Dreamixwith a second try
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21:02.02ewewDreamix Maybe my vbox system is somehow corrupted. Im going to check install scripts from package.
21:02.33Dreamixno
21:02.38Dreamixi did the following
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21:03.03Dreamix1. suspended the process
21:03.04Dreamix[1]+  Stopped                 apt-get install ircd-irc2
21:03.16Dreamixroot@debian8:~# ps -ef|grep apt
21:03.18Dreamixroot       1012    988  1 23:53 pts/0    00:00:02 apt-get install ircd-irc2
21:03.19Dreamixroot       1476    988  0 23:55 pts/0    00:00:00 grep apt
21:03.22Dreamixroot@debian8:~# kill -9 1012
21:03.33ewewor killall ircd-irc2
21:03.35Dreamixrm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
21:03.50Dreamix# dpkg --configure -a
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21:04.20Dreamixrm /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
21:04.30Dreamixapt-get remove ircd-irc2
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21:04.38Dreamix# apt-get update
21:04.47Dreamix# apt-get upgrade
21:05.04Dreamixinstalled some new packages
21:05.11Dreamixthen i've rebooted the system
21:05.30Dreamixan after, tried again
21:05.31Dreamixroot@debian8:~# apt-get install ircd-irc2
21:05.37DreamixSetting up ircd-irc2 (2.11.2p3~dfsg-4) ...
21:05.38Dreamixroot@debian8:~#
21:05.43Dreamixsuccessfull this time
21:05.59Dreamixso, you can try the same
21:06.02Dreamix:)
21:06.14ewewis this a bug ?
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21:06.36Dreamixwho knows... maybe :)
21:07.20ewewThis is wacked on the head.
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21:08.37derdonkernel can't read external hard drive, gparted prints stacktrace: https://bpaste.net/show/6fe6070dd435
21:09.34derdonhow can I say "fuck this shit, format the whole device, ignore discard any existing files"?
21:12.21frostschutzderdon, if that was the problem that'd be one thing, but this just looks like a bad drive
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21:12.46frostschutzderdon, smartctl -a /dev/sdb? (might also need -d sat or similar for a usb drive)
21:12.52derdonfrostschutz: "just"? could it get any worse?
21:13.18Epakaibad drives only get worse
21:13.24frostschutzthere's always worse
21:13.41derdonfrostschutz: do I need the package smartmontools for that command?
21:13.48frostschutzyup
21:14.01derdonk, need to install it first
21:14.34tjarhow can I install python3 on 8.1?
21:14.40g00seOr use the manufacturer's diagnostics
21:14.56tjari tried apt-get install python3, python3.4 and I got this https://bpaste.net/show/b558c97743b5
21:17.50ewewDreamix Going to try in debian testing
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21:18.37derdonfrostschutz: here's the output: https://bpaste.net/show/b1ada7f30f0b
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21:20.38Dreamixewew: cheers!
21:20.50ewewDreamix It hangs.
21:21.04Dreamixstrange
21:21.09Dreamixit worked to me
21:21.22Dreamixdid you reboot the system?
21:21.51ewewDreamix No. And i think i should leave this alone and do better things.
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21:22.59ewewDreamix In my case it ignores config file.
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21:23.06ewewDreamix ircd.conf
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21:25.10ewewDreamix I think i should file a bug report. This is not normal behavior.
21:25.42Dreamixyeah, possibly
21:25.50Dreamixyou're the ircd guy :)
21:25.57ewewDreamix ?
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21:26.13ewewDreamix Just begginer level.
21:26.45Dreamixi mean, didn't configure ircd service since long time
21:26.55ewewDreamix ok
21:26.55Dreamixmaybe 8-10y
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21:28.38ewewDreamix And the link on documentation sites are broken.
21:29.08Dreamixseems to be unsupported then
21:29.31Dreamixwhy don't you try another ircd option
21:29.39Dreamixunreal for example :)
21:29.46Dreamixthink it's better
21:29.58Dreamixmore advanced
21:29.58ewewDreamix Because finding documentation is more like a nightmare.
21:30.28DreamixUnreal Ircd is very well documented actually
21:30.49Dreamixi've tryied it before ... it was prety good
21:32.11Dreamixother alternatives
21:32.13Dreamixircd-hybrid - high-performance secure IRC server
21:32.14Dreamixircd-ircu - Undernet IRC Server daemon
21:32.16Dreamixircd-ratbox - advanced, stable and fast ircd
21:32.49ewewDreamix ok. It looked rather simple.
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21:33.39ewewDreamix Why is it in debian ?
21:33.56Dreamixyeah :)
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21:34.12Dreamixin debian?
21:34.22Dreamixwhat do you mean by that
21:34.29Dreamixsorry didn't get that
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21:34.57ewewDreamix You said it is not developed anymore and i think it should be removed from debian.
21:35.42ewewDreamix ircd-irc2
21:35.55Dreamixi am just guessing, since the URL is not working...
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21:45.36otyughhey. Is mariadb project still an alive and used on production server software as replacement to mysql ?
21:46.43otyughtime passes and I don't keep up everywhere, so there I am, no harm intended
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21:49.15derstromotyugh: yes the MariaDB project is very much alive
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21:51.25derstromotyugh: I think it started in response to Oracle acquiring Sun, so I think there's a lot of motivation to keep the project moving well into the future :-)
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22:53.55bill-augeranyone having troouble connecting to the repos ? apt-get can not connect - ping ftp.debian.org  no response
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22:55.43aypea[1]ftp.debian.org pings for me
22:55.54markybobbill-auger, depends where it redirects you to. here it's 130.89.148.12 and it works fine
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22:56.13bill-auger130.89.148.12
22:56.23aypea[1]traceroute. see where you break.
22:57.13bill-augerwft is my problem thenthe last resonse is  something.surf.net (109.105.98.110)
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22:58.41markybobbill-auger, shit happens. change sources.list to http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ instead
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23:00.50bill-augerok that fixed it for me thanks
23:01.15bill-augerso that chooses a random mirror i assume ?
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23:02.21markybobbill-auger, not truly random. using geo as well
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23:02.45c0feanyone can give a recommendation for an HDMI card that is supported in Debian?
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23:03.44sine`so we all know that skype is lame as, whats the best open alternative that has type text AND chat ?
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23:04.06nicko88hangouts?
23:04.10markybobsine`, anything wrong with hangouts?
23:04.18sine`never head of it
23:04.26bill-augerthere are several alternatives now - especially with webrtc
23:04.26markybobsine`, it's by google. look it up
23:04.29sine`or do you mean google hangouts....
23:04.35nicko88https://hangouts.google.com/ yes
23:04.47bill-augertox is the most established i think
23:05.23Tichowould you call hangouts "open", though?
23:05.31bill-augera new webrtc based one is matrix
23:05.49sine`i might as well use skype if im going to use hangouts, dont you think
23:05.59nicko88well part of hangouts uses jabber
23:06.00markybobTicho, it has an api for just about every language.
23:06.13markybobsine`, no. but do what you want
23:06.17Tichothe protocol itself is not open, afaik
23:06.18bill-augerand theres always been sip
23:06.43bill-augerif you want fully free and open chek out tox
23:06.46sine`ok
23:06.56sine`im duckduckgoing it right now
23:06.59markyboband you'll be able to talk to 5 people
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23:07.11boot"take it to the duck"
23:07.19sine`i want to talk to some pals who i will get to install it too
23:07.29bill-augerthe duck says "duck it" now
23:07.49teraflopsutox++
23:09.59sine`teraflops: nice. can i apt-get
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23:10.18sine`nope
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23:13.57bill-augersine they have a deb repo you can subscribe
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23:37.16SuperTramp83sine`: jitsi
23:38.00sine`thanks guys, im on the utox vibe at the moment. it had an error of soemthign missing but will sort it in the morning now, too tired for lib hunting.
23:38.24sine`bill-auger: yea i added it
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23:43.42nicko88i have a hopefully easy question.  Is there anything that debian initializes for the hardware when you install it?  Would there be a difference to installing it on a VM and setting up a bunch of software and then copying it to a disk to use for a pc later vs installing it on the pc and setting up all the software there?
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23:45.20Atm0spher1csine`: https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiMeet https://jitsi.org/
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23:48.36sine`Atm0spher1c: ok thanks will check it out
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23:48.45allizomnicko88: I've done something similar e.g. installing on a hard drive in a USB docking station, then moving the disk into another computer as internal. Worked for me
23:49.33nicko88well i figure it will generally work, just wonder if anyone knew if there would be any differences
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23:53.04markybobnicko88, if it's a single partition it isn't complicated. convert the vdi to raw and dd it over. then boot with rescue and reinstall grub
23:53.16markybobnicko88, multiple partitions get complicated
23:53.19nicko88ok, i know well how to actually move it
23:53.29nicko88i was just wonderin moer about the interaction with the other hardware
23:53.37markybobnicko88, should be fine
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23:54.02nicko88yeah i stick to 1 partition, rsync -a and then install grub
23:54.14nicko88i know that works for me
23:54.24nicko88but yeah i want to redo my server and i dont want much downtime
23:54.38nicko88im going from wheezy to jessie and rather than do the upgrade i want to reinstall
23:54.55nicko88so i want to set it up all in a vm and then copy it to the ssd and boot and hopefully its all good heh
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23:55.22nicko88cause it will take a few nights to get all the software setup so that it does all my server stuff heh
23:57.17nicko88but yeah i figure linux isn't like windows and stuff where it can bluescreen a lot when you change hardware underneath the install
23:57.17nicko88installing debian is just copying files from the iso to the hdd probably huh
23:57.17nicko88all the drivers are there in the kernel and load dynamically on boot for what hardware is present i imagine
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23:59.46markybobnicko88, yeah. hardware doesn't really matter. you'd basically do VBoxManage clonehd file.vdi output.img --format RAW   copy over the image, rescue, reinstall grub, done

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