| 00:00.51 | nicko88 | cool |
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| 00:19.28 | DE1337 | Hey guys, i've got a little problem. I did a tails live usb stick with persistent folder. now i wanted to install tor chat. but it doesn't work. I do "sudo dpkg -i torchat-0.9.9.553.deb" and then i get "can not access archive. no such file" what is the problem? |
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| 00:20.05 | nicko88 | permissions? |
| 00:20.28 | DE1337 | don't think so. i do sudo and i type in my password |
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| 00:20.35 | nicko88 | just a guess heh |
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| 00:21.14 | DE1337 | do i need to navigate to the folder where the . deb is located or just type in what i mentioned? |
| 00:21.21 | somiaj | DE1337: what is tails live usb? (just don't know what you mean by tails). But are you sure that is the correct file name. The error says no such file. Are you not in the correct directory? |
| 00:21.33 | nicko88 | you need to have the path to the deb yes |
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| 00:21.39 | somiaj | or you can type the path to get to the .deb, you need to correctly describe the location of the file. |
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| 00:22.24 | DE1337 | but i also tried it with path. i typed the path like "/home/debianname/persistence/programms" |
| 00:22.45 | DE1337 | and i also just took the file with the mouse and dropped it into the commandline |
| 00:23.16 | DE1337 | but nothing worked |
| 00:23.30 | somiaj | If the error is no such file, then you are not correctly describing the file location. |
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| 00:24.04 | DE1337 | somiaj it is a anonymous debian as live version on a usb stick. all the data goes thru tor |
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| 00:24.25 | ericabc | hello\ |
| 00:24.37 | DE1337 | but i don't know how to describe it. with ' ' or withoutt, with the file himself or just the folder which he's in? |
| 00:24.46 | markybob | DE1337, whonix? |
| 00:24.54 | DE1337 | what? |
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| 00:25.00 | markybob | is it whonix? |
| 00:25.04 | DE1337 | no |
| 00:25.09 | somiaj | DE1337: you can do ls and cd to navagate yourself around your file system until you get to the directory the file is in. |
| 00:25.22 | markybob | then wth is anonymous debian? |
| 00:25.32 | jmcnaught | tails is https://tails.boum.org/ (a debian derivative, not really supported here) |
| 00:25.38 | ericabc | not sure if any one knows but I am wondering how to get a mobile device to be minimized for a specific task. What im looking to do is have a flash player only available or a website only available with fl\sh support |
| 00:26.02 | ericabc | i see this with some businesses that have forms and signups on mobile devices where thats all you can do |
| 00:26.51 | markybob | ericabc, iceweasel in kisok mode is probably what you want then |
| 00:27.20 | markybob | ericabc, kiosk* |
| 00:27.49 | ericabc | yea thats is something i need kiosk lol it was a word that escaped me. |
| 00:27.51 | ericabc | thanks |
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| 00:27.58 | DE1337 | somiaj how to navigate? so what do i need to type in the command line to find the right location? |
| 00:28.00 | ericabc | can that be run on a mobile phone by chance? |
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| 00:28.13 | markybob | ericabc, *shrug* |
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| 00:28.45 | DE1337 | and one more problem... my debian doesn't play mpeg4. i tried to install vl... but also fialed.. :( |
| 00:28.59 | ericabc | lol |
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| 00:29.08 | ericabc | thanks |
| 00:29.08 | markybob | DE1337, most live don't come with contrib/non-free |
| 00:29.22 | markybob | DE1337, i'm still not sure what you're using |
| 00:29.26 | jmcnaught | ericabc: do you have a mobile phone that runs debian? |
| 00:29.26 | DE1337 | but you can activate it or not mark_otaris? |
| 00:29.30 | DE1337 | markovh* |
| 00:29.35 | DE1337 | .. -.- |
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| 00:30.00 | jmcnaught | DE1337: are you talking about debian now, or tails still? for tails support you'll need to find the tails support channel (if there is one) |
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| 00:30.25 | DE1337 | tails = debian |
| 00:30.40 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell DE1337 about based on debian |
| 00:30.41 | markybob | !tails |
| 00:30.53 | markybob | DE1337, it is not. nor supported here |
| 00:30.59 | nicko88 | thats like saying ubuntu = debian |
| 00:31.27 | jmcnaught | DE1337: the tails IRC channel is listed here: https://tails.boum.org/support/index.en.html |
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| 00:32.54 | jmcnaught | ericabc: i have run iceweasel on an nokia n900 in a debian chroot. i know there is a debian chroot for android, but i'm not sure if it can run GUI applications. If you have a phone that runs debian directly (not in a chroot) that's pretty cool |
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| 00:33.58 | DE1337 | I just wanna know how to install a programm on debian... because tails basically is 99% debian... |
| 00:34.17 | DE1337 | i also installed the debian version of veracrypt |
| 00:34.17 | markybob | DE1337, not supported. |
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| 00:34.33 | markybob | DE1337, you've been shown where to get help. go there |
| 00:34.40 | nicko88 | you are doing it right, you just need to tell dkpg the correct path of the file so it can find it |
| 00:34.57 | DE1337 | shown where to go? so show me an irc support channel on their site? i can't find one |
| 00:35.22 | DE1337 | and i don't now how to type in the path. that's all |
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| 00:35.29 | nicko88 | jmcnaught did |
| 00:35.29 | markybob | DE1337, jmcnaught showed you. https://tails.boum.org/support/index.en.html |
| 00:35.36 | nicko88 | right on the bottom center |
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| 00:36.05 | DE1337 | i don't know if i need ' or " or nothing or if i need to take the filename himself or just the folder where the file is stored. if i take it in one line togeteher with the command or first the location and then the command? |
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| 00:37.03 | markybob | DE1337, irc.oftc.net network #tails |
| 00:37.07 | nicko88 | sudo dpkg -i /full/path/to/file.deb |
| 00:37.31 | nicko88 | or execute dpkg from within the directory containing the deb |
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| 00:39.49 | DE1337 | how to start the commandline in the folder nicko88 ? |
| 00:40.04 | nicko88 | use cd to change directory |
| 00:40.04 | markybob | wow you're dense |
| 00:40.42 | DE1337 | cd /home/debianname/persistence/programms |
| 00:40.58 | DE1337 | and if i did so then i type the dpkg thing? |
| 00:41.14 | DE1337 | withoit any " or ' in the directory? |
| 00:41.19 | nicko88 | well when you do that cd, does it successfulyl change to that directory? |
| 00:41.28 | nicko88 | no " or ' |
| 00:42.05 | DE1337 | i didn't to cd. because i didn't know i need to do so... i think this is the problem :D |
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| 00:42.11 | DE1337 | do* |
| 00:42.20 | nicko88 | you dont need to if you just do the full path from anywhere |
| 00:43.32 | DE1337 | ok... but i did this... |
| 00:43.36 | DE1337 | and it doesn't work |
| 00:43.50 | markybob | nicko88, please stop. this is off topic and distracting for people looking to help with actual debian issues |
| 00:43.51 | DE1337 | i typed /home/debianname/persistence/programms |
| 00:43.54 | markybob | !offtopic |
| 00:43.54 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:44.08 | DE1337 | and in the next line i typed sudo dpkg -i torchat-0.9.9.553.deb |
| 00:44.19 | squinty | please don\t cross post. you are now in the correct channel for asking tails questions |
| 00:44.30 | nicko88 | why are you doing it in multiple lines |
| 00:45.04 | nicko88 | sudo dpkg -i /home/debianname/persistence/programms/torchat-0.9.9.553.deb |
| 00:45.22 | DE1337 | you guys are such dickheads.... as you see i just wanna install a debian programm. and the commandline does work exactelly like debian.. so where the fuck is your problem?! |
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| 00:46.04 | markybob | DE1337, i told you. it's distracting and gets in the way. it's not debian. it clogs up the channel for people looking to help those with debian |
| 00:46.27 | markybob | DE1337, three different people have told you this |
| 00:46.37 | jmcnaught | DE1337: we've told you multiple times that tails is not supported here. One Debian is, not all the hundreds of distros based on Debian or using its tools. I don't see why you had to be told so many times. |
| 00:46.40 | nicko88 | well, becausle they told you how to do it. if the command i said doesn't work, then that's not where the file really is, or its not a debian issue and you need to ask tails |
| 00:46.45 | squinty | He is already in the oftc channel asking the same questions. being just as rude there ase he is here too |
| 00:46.48 | nicko88 | because* |
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| 00:48.23 | squinty | nicko88, i already told him how to find out where the file is over in the oftc #tails channel |
| 00:48.36 | nicko88 | heh you dont have to tell me |
| 00:48.40 | nicko88 | yeah |
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| 00:58.22 | dvs | nicko88: The file is in OFTC... |
| 00:58.24 | dvs | runs |
| 00:58.51 | nicko88 | lol |
| 00:59.43 | nicko88 | i was gonna find the file online and tell him to do wget followed by dpkg in the same dir |
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| 00:59.51 | nicko88 | but i was wayyy too lazy to find a url to the deb |
| 01:01.21 | markybob | it's not that simple. dpkg -i foo.deb will then have dependencies. and who knows what that distro has |
| 01:01.33 | markybob | i didn't even like how far nicko88 went :P |
| 01:01.48 | nicko88 | lol |
| 01:02.03 | nicko88 | im not regular to irc helping heh |
| 01:02.05 | nicko88 | so i go too far |
| 01:02.12 | nicko88 | for my own good |
| 01:02.20 | markybob | nicko88, we take off topic pretty seriously, fyi |
| 01:02.27 | nicko88 | good to know |
| 01:02.36 | nicko88 | my bad then |
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| 01:03.21 | nicko88 | i can see how it will create problems because people will come back |
| 01:03.28 | nicko88 | i should have pm him i wanted to go that far |
| 01:03.32 | nicko88 | if |
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| 01:36.41 | markybob | ubertwinkie, have you tried installing/using pavucontrol? is the user in the audio group? |
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| 02:18.24 | setuid | I'm running Debian 7.9, and wondering how to get Python 3.3 installed, as an app I need requires it. |
| 02:18.34 | setuid | 3.2.3 doesn't have the yield() function which this codebase requires |
| 02:18.50 | setuid | What's the best way to get it installed in a manageable way? |
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| 02:26.03 | setuid | never mind, installing python3.3 breaks almost everything on a running Debian server |
| 02:26.06 | setuid | fsck |
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| 02:26.39 | xtalx | haha, just see what dpkg can do for you |
| 02:27.03 | markybob | no, 3.3 on oldstable really is pretty fscked |
| 02:27.15 | markybob | i'd suggest jessie |
| 02:27.42 | xtalx | I am thinking of a full upgrade myself |
| 02:28.17 | setuid | markybob, that's a major upgrade; I'll have to move over ~300 websites one-at-a-time, including all of their dependencies |
| 02:29.01 | setuid | Maybe I can build a super-small debian image just to run this one web app, and keep it isolated in its own space |
| 02:29.09 | setuid | kicks off a new VM build |
| 02:29.11 | dvs | and wheezy has long-term support |
| 02:30.13 | markybob | dvs sure. but if it doesn't work with what he needs long-term is kinda pointless |
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| 02:31.00 | setuid | markybob, I wish there was a way to encapsulate the applications away from the OS in a way that made cross-version migration a bit easier |
| 02:31.05 | setuid | porting across versions is a bit of a pain |
| 02:31.15 | setuid | Even Wheezy to Jessie is a bit of a leap |
| 02:31.38 | setuid | Maybe I can docker-ize these apps into their own singular containers |
| 02:31.40 | setuid | ponders |
| 02:33.50 | setuid | Which image correlates with 'jessie'? Is that 'stable'? Or 'testing'? |
| 02:34.00 | AvatarA | stable |
| 02:34.50 | setuid | And how long before I have to upgrade -that- to something newer? |
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| 02:36.33 | AvatarA | 5 years theoretically but in practice your particular needs may force you to upgrade earlier |
| 02:36.35 | zykotick9 | setuid: generally around every 2 years a new stable is released. but jessie remains supported as "old stable" for another 2ish years. with the new lts support, some packages even get longer support. |
| 02:37.01 | setuid | So I should set myself an alarm for 20 months out, to start migrating sites over to a new build again |
| 02:38.35 | setuid | Here's another one... I use cacert.org for most of my certificates (mail, imap, etc.), but they're not in the browser root cert chain, so users have to import the root cert from cacert.org. What's the best place to get free/cheap SSL certs (SHA-512 minimum) that -is- in the default browser cert chain? |
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| 03:15.18 | setuid | Pretty ugly bug in the Jessie expert installer |
| 03:15.44 | setuid | When you uncheck all of the options to install at the end, it happily installs a full desktop environment, icons, Evolution and everything else anyway |
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| 03:15.58 | setuid | Now I have to go back and remove about 1,000 packages and dependencies |
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| 03:18.48 | AvatarA | setuid how come you're doing a fresh install and not upgrading? |
| 03:19.19 | setuid | AvatarA, upgrading what? |
| 03:19.35 | setuid | I don't have a Jessie install and I'm not about to take a production webserver from Wheezy to Jessie without testing it first |
| 03:19.46 | AvatarA | your wheezy box(es) |
| 03:19.51 | setuid | Especially not when I've already tripped on a handful of bugs right from the initial installer |
| 03:20.02 | setuid | Downtime == expensive |
| 03:20.06 | AvatarA | you could clone your wheezy, upgrade that see if everything goes out smooth |
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| 03:21.09 | setuid | I already know it won't, because Jessie includes python-3.3 which removes znc-perl, and that's a hard requirement for my server |
| 03:21.17 | setuid | So that machine stays at Wheezy |
| 03:23.51 | AvatarA | why would it remove znc-perl? I see no conflicts for that package |
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| 03:24.46 | themill | also, jessie does not include python 3.3) |
| 03:24.57 | setuid | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 03:24.57 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.21 | themill | and what command generates that and what is the state of the box to begin with? |
| 03:25.57 | setuid | apt-get install python3.3 |
| 03:25.58 | themill | libperl5.14 is not in jessie either |
| 03:26.07 | setuid | Wants to install about 70 packages and remove those |
| 03:26.16 | themill | You might like to start by cleaning up that installation |
| 03:26.49 | setuid | Cleaning it up how? |
| 03:26.54 | setuid | It works fine, has for many years |
| 03:27.05 | themill | You should remove obsolete packages for starters |
| 03:27.22 | themill | (aptitude search ~o) |
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| 03:27.29 | setuid | Obsolete? Such as? |
| 03:28.01 | setuid | That command produces zero packages |
| 03:28.05 | setuid | Including when run with -v |
| 03:28.13 | nicko88 | what does that even mean obsolete? |
| 03:28.22 | nicko88 | i ran that on mine and it came back with some packages that i actually use |
| 03:28.24 | themill | sounds like you have a very interesting mixture of wheezy and jessie then |
| 03:28.33 | setuid | I have no jessie on this wheezy machine |
| 03:28.42 | AvatarA | when packages you have installed are no longer found in repositories included in your sources.list |
| 03:28.43 | setuid | I added a testing line to sources.list to see if I could get python3.3 installed on it |
| 03:28.54 | setuid | but it wants to remove some core software I need, so I didn't update or upgrade anything |
| 03:29.01 | themill | yeah well that's your issue |
| 03:29.04 | setuid | Then I started building a clean Jessie image |
| 03:29.06 | themill | and python3.3 is not in testing either |
| 03:29.16 | setuid | python3.3 is absolutely in testing |
| 03:29.20 | themill | no |
| 03:29.23 | setuid | Yep |
| 03:29.36 | setuid | # grep testing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:29.37 | setuid | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 03:29.41 | themill | python3.3 is nowhere in debian and hasn't been for months |
| 03:29.45 | setuid | That's the only line I have in sources.list that isn't wheezy |
| 03:29.59 | setuid | python3.3 wasn't found until I added that line and updated sources |
| 03:30.05 | setuid | So yes, it absolutely IS in the repo |
| 03:30.08 | themill | no |
| 03:30.14 | setuid | In fact, even the main debian.org website lists it |
| 03:30.24 | themill | setuid: what arch is this? |
| 03:30.47 | setuid | x86_64 |
| 03:30.58 | themill | that's not a debian arch |
| 03:31.07 | setuid | Nope, it's an actual arch |
| 03:31.18 | themill | and is surprisingly not helpful |
| 03:31.19 | AvatarA | anyway setuid, you wouldn't get the same effect on a pure jessie box |
| 03:31.25 | themill | ,v python3.3 --arch amd64 |
| 03:31.26 | judd | No package named 'python3.3' was found in amd64. |
| 03:31.28 | themill | setuid: ^^ |
| 03:31.28 | setuid | So how do I ask Debian what repo claims to be housing python3.3? |
| 03:31.33 | AvatarA | with your oldstable + testing sources.list it's normal you get such conflicts |
| 03:31.38 | setuid | Because it's coming from the testing repo |
| 03:31.41 | themill | apt-cache policy python3.3 |
| 03:31.42 | themill | it is not |
| 03:32.05 | Atm0spher1c | sounds like he's trying to mix stable and testing |
| 03:32.29 | setuid | https://paste.debian.net/315437/ |
| 03:32.36 | Atm0spher1c | oldstable and stable |
| 03:32.37 | themill | And you should not expect mixing oldstable with testing will work anyway.... You can't try that and then say that wheezy->jessie is broken since you've not tried that at all and it's not even a valid comparison |
| 03:32.48 | setuid | I only wanted to install python 3.3 instead of 3.2, because a python app I need to run, requires yield() which is only in 3.3 |
| 03:32.54 | themill | setuid: so you'll see that there is no python3.3 there. |
| 03:33.08 | themill | stable has python3.4 |
| 03:33.29 | setuid | themill, Don't know what to tell you, python 3.3 is coming from the testing repo, if I install it |
| 03:33.36 | setuid | from ftp.debian.org |
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| 03:33.47 | themill | setuid: no. Your output just showed that the package doesn't exist |
| 03:33.56 | setuid | if I comment out that 'testing' line from sources.list, python3.3 is no longer available |
| 03:34.13 | AvatarA | apt-cache show python3.3 |
| 03:34.13 | AvatarA | Package: python3-3to2 |
| 03:34.17 | themill | *shrug* your own output shows it doesn't exist. |
| 03:34.25 | themill | Your machine does not defy reality |
| 03:34.31 | AvatarA | is what I get on my stretch box |
| 03:34.37 | Atm0spher1c | lol |
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| 03:34.45 | setuid | https://paste.debian.net/315438/ |
| 03:35.29 | setuid | Sorry, you're right, it tries to jump to 3.4, instead of installing 3.3 |
| 03:35.44 | AvatarA | libpython3.4 in there |
| 03:35.49 | nicko88 | what does testing have to do with jessie though, testing is stretch |
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| 03:36.30 | setuid | In any case, there's no way to cleanly install a python > 3.2 on Wheezy, without breaking my existing packages |
| 03:36.39 | themill | of course not. You upgrade to jessie. |
| 03:36.51 | setuid | so I have to install a separate jessie install |
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| 03:37.06 | setuid | Not upgrade, clean install and port some apps over, while others stay in Wheezy forever |
| 03:37.20 | themill | Sure, it's no surprise that you can't mix oldstable and testing and get sensible results. |
| 03:37.29 | setuid | znc is an absolute requirement, and since jessie breaks that, it stays in my wheezey server |
| 03:37.36 | themill | no, jessie does not break znc |
| 03:37.43 | nicko88 | why dont you run that software in a container then? |
| 03:37.44 | themill | You've not tested anything like that |
| 03:37.46 | setuid | Sorry, installing python 3.4 does |
| 03:37.50 | themill | no, it does not |
| 03:37.58 | setuid | themill, see above paste |
| 03:38.13 | themill | setuid: that paste has nothing to do with installing python and znc on a jessie box |
| 03:38.25 | setuid | I'll know shortly, after I clean out this buggy jessie install that threw 1471 packages on when it should have only done about 300 |
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| 03:43.57 | AvatarA | I don't know if such a grave bug could be in tasksel in a stable release |
| 03:45.39 | setuid | I unchecked everything except SSH Server and System Utilities |
| 03:45.57 | setuid | and it tried to install those 1471 packages related to desktop, GUI, icons, etc. |
| 03:46.17 | AvatarA | what iso/release did you download? |
| 03:47.04 | setuid | d393d17ac6b3113c81186e545c416a00f28ed6e05774284bb5e8f0df39fcbcb9 debian-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:47.25 | somiaj | Are you sure you unchecked everything. For desktop enviroments there are two thigns to uncheck. The desktop of choice and the main desktop enviroment selection. If you don't uncheck that it will just install the default DE which is gnome. |
| 03:47.56 | setuid | The only two asterisks were for those two package selections |
| 03:48.09 | setuid | I just did a clean install, unchecked -everything- and it worked as expected, only a dozen or two packages |
| 03:49.06 | setuid | How do I get the standard /usr/bin/python symlink vs. having to always use /usr/bin/python3.4 |
| 03:50.34 | somiaj | setuid: you probabaly shouldn't change that as things may expect that 'python' is linked to python 2 |
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| 03:51.04 | somiaj | you can tell python scripts to use 3.4 by putting #!/usr/bin/python3.4 at the top |
| 03:51.17 | setuid | Or, more likely the opposite would be true, since everything that looks for python3 or bin/python to be v3.3+ will break |
| 03:51.36 | setuid | I'm not going to modify tens of thousands of python scripts to point to Debian's specifically-named version |
| 03:51.44 | setuid | I'll break the symlinks and re-make them myself |
| 03:51.59 | somiaj | setuid: well the command 'python' is just a link, scripts should clearly describe which version they use, but many may assume the system default. So just to be safe I woudln't change python to link to 3.4 instead. |
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| 04:08.08 | setuid | yay! tapiriik now works under Jesse. Now to see what else I can port over without breaking things ;) |
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| 04:08.47 | aedinius | Anyone have issues with Spotify? Quit playing sound, but it seems to keep playing. Nothing in the logs had a clear answer. |
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| 04:09.28 | l_tonz | ive had issues with spotify too |
| 04:09.37 | l_tonz | i just restarted spotify app |
| 04:09.57 | aedinius | Nah, seems to be an issue with the latest update. |
| 04:10.23 | aedinius | It's happened a few machines I have (Debian/Ubuntu) |
| 04:10.31 | l_tonz | hmm |
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| 04:10.52 | l_tonz | does it say 'can't play this music' on the top? |
| 04:11.03 | aedinius | Nah. Acts like it's playing normal |
| 04:11.42 | l_tonz | idk try restarting spotify |
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| 04:14.28 | aedinius | I just booted up the machine today :| |
| 04:14.31 | aedinius | After the update |
| 04:14.37 | aedinius | It was working fine until I updated. |
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| 04:16.41 | setuid | Looks like the previous method to 'clone' a debian install by using dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections doesn't work with wheezy -> jesse |
| 04:18.05 | somiaj | setuid: what do you mean, get selections from a wheezy system and then use them in a jessie system? This has never worked. |
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| 04:19.44 | aedinius | Nevermind. Needs pulseaudio, but didn't pull it in as a requirement |
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| 04:20.33 | somiaj | so it no longer works with just alsa but didn't include pulseaudio as a dependency? |
| 04:20.42 | aedinius | Yep. |
| 04:21.38 | somiaj | I would file a bug report if you don't already see one |
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| 04:21.47 | aedinius | Yep. That's BS |
| 04:21.47 | somiaj | this is on say testing/unstable? |
| 04:22.06 | aedinius | Yes and no. This was on testing and then again on Ubuntu 14 something or other |
| 04:22.07 | aedinius | 14.04 |
| 04:22.21 | aedinius | So it seems to be an issue with Spotify itself |
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| 04:22.56 | somiaj | well this is not a support channel for ubuntu (though packages usually drift back and forth). |
| 04:23.04 | Rusty1 | is spotify installed from debian repos? |
| 04:23.12 | aedinius | Rusty1: No |
| 04:23.24 | somiaj | so then this really sin't a debian issue. |
| 04:23.28 | aedinius | somiaj: Well, it doesn't work on my debian/testing box either :) |
| 04:23.43 | aedinius | I know it's not, but people here might run into the same thing |
| 04:23.45 | Rusty1 | why are you asking here , /join #spotify and see what htey have to say |
| 04:23.45 | aedinius | And you know what |
| 04:23.46 | aedinius | Nevermind |
| 04:23.49 | aedinius | Sorry to bother you guys |
| 04:23.51 | Rusty1 | *they |
| 04:24.09 | aedinius | Thanks for the recommendation. |
| 04:24.15 | aedinius | Sorry to inconvenience you guys. |
| 04:24.19 | somiaj | aedinius: with the package provided by debian? Debian supports packages it creates, sounds like you need to be sending the bug to spotify's repos. |
| 04:24.56 | aedinius | I am. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 04:25.08 | aedinius | Wasn't aware debian actually packaged spotify |
| 04:25.19 | aedinius | Thought it was just spotify itself. |
| 04:25.42 | aedinius | Just thought people here might have similar issues. |
| 04:25.43 | aedinius | Sorry. |
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| 04:28.27 | setuid | So where do people get their SHA2-512 SSL certs? |
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| 04:32.01 | RayzrShrp | verisign? |
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| 04:34.04 | setuid | $399/year, owch |
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| 04:39.55 | RayzrShrp | yeah they're not cheap |
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| 04:40.06 | RayzrShrp | and thats prob not a greenbar cert |
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| 04:40.18 | aedinius | I get all my certs from work. |
| 04:40.22 | aedinius | shrugs |
| 04:40.30 | RayzrShrp | youre work a CA |
| 04:40.40 | aedinius | They have their own, yes. |
| 04:40.54 | RayzrShrp | yeah that makes it much cheaper and easier |
| 04:41.09 | aedinius | Cheaper yes, easier no :) |
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| 04:41.17 | aedinius | They're still assholes about it, so eh. |
| 04:41.29 | RayzrShrp | yeah ssl certs suck |
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| 04:41.48 | RayzrShrp | i have to update them for all my clients F5s and ACE load balancers |
| 04:41.51 | RayzrShrp | total pain |
| 04:41.58 | RayzrShrp | but not as bad as ASA ssl certs |
| 04:42.02 | aedinius | Most of my work is on closed networks so I just make sure the sig matches. |
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| 04:43.48 | nicko88 | i get a free sha256 one from startcom. I dont know if they support sha512 |
| 04:44.00 | nicko88 | or i wonder what letsencrypt will support |
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| 04:45.38 | aedinius | After some complaints about our new image being "slower" (which I expected, since we now do FDE) I looked into it, and by default RHEL does AES512. A bit more than we needed, but okay. That explains the "slowness". I guess now we just need to lobby for SSD upgrades. |
| 04:45.53 | aedinius | (On the topic of encryption) |
| 04:46.44 | RayzrShrp | rhel on the workstations? |
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| 04:46.59 | aedinius | Yeah. Not my choice, just given the task of making it happen. |
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| 04:47.28 | aedinius | At least they let me do RHEL7 on the latest go, so it's not completely retarded (replacing the RHEL6 image... hello, 2010) |
| 04:48.02 | RayzrShrp | what are these users using linux for |
| 04:48.17 | aedinius | Uh. We're a Linux shop, so everything work related. |
| 04:48.28 | aedinius | *Enterprise email is not work related, imo. |
| 04:49.02 | RayzrShrp | so is this a tech company? not something weird like advertising or accounting |
| 04:49.18 | aedinius | We do everything, but my shop is netsec. |
| 04:49.24 | aedinius | So we're the special case. |
| 04:49.39 | RayzrShrp | i se |
| 04:50.09 | nicko88 | hmm so no more bootlogd in jessie? |
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| 04:52.31 | nicko88 | how do i see in jessie what I used to see in the old boot log |
| 04:53.35 | beergear | lolol don't need to take that |
| 04:53.42 | beergear | sry wrong channel |
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| 04:55.35 | cheapie | nicko88: You mean the difference in boot messages between sysvinit and systemd? |
| 04:55.53 | nicko88 | yeah i guess i dont know how to do it the systemd way |
| 04:56.34 | cheapie | I personally just switched back to sysvinit. I don't know if there's a way to do it with systemd. |
| 04:57.11 | nicko88 | why would it even print messages if you can't read them lol |
| 04:57.20 | cheapie | shrugs |
| 04:57.41 | nicko88 | i can make them visible during boot, but they go by too fast to read heh |
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| 04:57.58 | cheapie | "apt-get install sysvinit-core" will switch the init back, but there has to be a better way. |
| 04:58.16 | nicko88 | im not sure i can use sysvinit |
| 04:58.19 | aedinius | journalctl? |
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| 04:58.55 | boot | aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv- |
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| 04:59.39 | cheapie | boot: sysvinit-core pulls the others in, but there should be a way to make systemd log stuff too. |
| 05:00.24 | boot | aren't systemd logs binary? |
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| 05:00.59 | nicko88 | you know the starting sevices green messages you can see when booting debian |
| 05:01.06 | nicko88 | thats what i want to be able to read |
| 05:01.14 | aedinius | boot: most distros also log to plaintext |
| 05:01.25 | cheapie | boot: I know they're odd, but that's about the limit of my systemd knowledge. |
| 05:01.42 | cheapie | Is Debian "most distros"? |
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| 05:01.45 | aedinius | Yes. |
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| 05:03.13 | swift110-phone | Yes |
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| 05:09.41 | boot | if you remove the 'quiet' parameter in the grub kernel boot line, will you see systemd boot messages? |
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| 06:03.33 | Abbott | Oh wait I got it, nevermind. Sorry! |
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| 07:10.37 | madghost | hi all |
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| 07:11.11 | madghost | I removed all from /var/lib/dpkg/info . How can I reload all packages again? |
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| 07:15.52 | Nik05 | madghost i guess you need to reinstall everything... |
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| 07:16.52 | madghost | Where I can find list of installed programs? |
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| 07:18.18 | madghost | I can't install anything ( http://pastebin.com/sCEYL3yn |
| 07:18.44 | madghost | I have errors : linux-image-extra-3.19.0-30-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.19.0-30-generic but it is not going to be installed |
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| 07:57.03 | darxmurf | madghost: did you try apt-get install -f ? |
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| 07:57.19 | darxmurf | I would say |
| 07:57.22 | darxmurf | apt-get update first |
| 07:57.31 | darxmurf | then apt-get install -f |
| 07:57.53 | darxmurf | and if you want to list installed app, dpkg -l |
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| 08:16.17 | Jeena | Something happened with my Emacs during the last update (on testing) now it always starts in Xterm instead of the normal GUI, any idea how I can get the GUI back? |
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| 08:20.33 | allizom | Jeena: can you run emacs24-x ? |
| 08:20.44 | Jeena | yes |
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| 08:20.56 | Jeena | and I just tested â jeena@tinky ~ which emacs |
| 08:20.56 | Jeena | emacs: aliased to emacs -nw |
| 08:21.14 | Jeena | so that is why this happens I guess |
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| 09:00.54 | jelly | madghost: linux-image-extra-3.19.0-30-generic sounds like an ubuntu kernel, we can only safely help with Debian here |
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| 09:20.07 | join240jjjjj | ÐÑем пÑивеÑ! Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ ÐºÑолибо помоÑÑ Ð½Ð°ÑÑÑоиÑÑ OpenGl? |
| 09:20.25 | babilen | dpkg: ru |
| 09:20.25 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 09:21.02 | join240jjjjj | hello any one can help me witch OpenGL for debian 8? |
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| 09:21.38 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 09:22.02 | join240jjjjj | hello any one can help me witch OpenGL for debian 8? |
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| 09:57.43 | halt | Hi guys, I have a bit of trouble with the standard dnsmasq package on my system, I listed all my interfaces to the listen on and in the netstat it look like it's listening on all of them, from an external network I can open the connection up TCP and UDP level, but I got timeout when I want to make request to the server, but there is nothing in the server log, and based on the doc all I can do is to log the queries, which I tried bu still nothing in the l |
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| 09:58.24 | halt | based on what I seen it look like the request does not even arrive to the server, is there any other then 53 to open ? |
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| 09:59.57 | lpopov | do you have a firewall? |
| 10:00.37 | halt | I do both side, but I got this far |
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| 10:00.58 | lpopov | see what 'iptables -nL' return |
| 10:01.10 | lpopov | maybe the port is blocked |
| 10:01.41 | halt | echo 0 < /dev/tcp/$IP/53 and echo 0< dev/tcp/$IP/53 open up just fine and also scanned with nmap |
| 10:01.49 | petn-randall | halt: If the initial packet is blocked, check if it can traverse both firewalls. |
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| 10:02.25 | halt | telnet also open up just fine to 53 |
| 10:02.27 | petn-randall | halt: DNS usually is *UDP* port 53. |
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| 10:05.05 | halt | https://paste.debian.net/plain/315471 |
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| 10:10.06 | halt | Ok I check this again the cfn looks good both UDP and TCP is there |
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| 10:12.58 | lpopov | udp is a stateless protocol, so 'echo 0 < /dev/udp/172.31.131.230/53' won't give you anything meaningful |
| 10:13.19 | ewew | halt use nmap |
| 10:13.56 | halt | 53/tcp open domain dnsmasq 2.72 |
| 10:13.57 | halt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.18 | msn | nmap -U |
| 10:14.22 | msn | need to be root for that |
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| 10:15.55 | daniele12457 | hi, which is the procedure to call in order to alloc executable memory? v_alloc_exec seems not available. |
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| 10:21.56 | halt | lpopov: very valid point, thanks look like it will be the missing UDP fw rule thanks guys |
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| 10:22.51 | ewew | halt TCP is used for transfer. It depends on configuration. |
| 10:23.21 | msn | tcp for zone master/slave and udp for queries |
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| 10:31.45 | Falson | Guys my usb3 doesn |
| 10:31.54 | Falson | doesn't work* |
| 10:32.08 | Falson | lcspci 05:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042 SuperSpeed USB Host Controller |
| 10:32.14 | ewew | Falson What the logs say ? |
| 10:33.44 | NoirLess | its partially offtop, but is there any alternatives for google translate in repo? :I |
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| 10:34.22 | rendar | from apt-get i get this 'zlib1g-dev is already the newest version.' -- but when i check /lib or /usr/lib i don't have zlib, i only have the 32bit version, but i'm on an amd64 linux |
| 10:34.24 | rendar | any clue? |
| 10:34.54 | NoirLess | have you enabled multiarch? |
| 10:34.56 | ewew | rendar Did you update packages list. |
| 10:35.16 | rendar | NoirLess, how i can check this? |
| 10:35.20 | rendar | ewew, doing that now |
| 10:35.40 | ewew | rendar I have also enabled multiarch |
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| 10:35.57 | rendar | ewew, how i can enable it? |
| 10:36.13 | Falson | ewew, do you want to see /var/log/syslog? |
| 10:36.36 | ewew | rendar https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 10:37.20 | ewew | Falson Paste it somewhere on internet. Not in here. Then post the link. |
| 10:37.35 | rendar | ewew, but do i need this? i don't need a different architecture, i need *this* architecture i'm using, or amd64 -- i have zlib of a *different* archicture (i386) which i don't need |
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| 10:38.23 | NoirLess | maybe its has only i386 version in repo? :I or you should install correct version |
| 10:38.53 | ewew | rendar Do you have something installed that needs i386 binaries ? |
| 10:39.00 | rendar | ewew, dunno |
| 10:39.13 | Falson | ewew, http://pastebin.com/eGX5xQTd |
| 10:39.14 | rendar | ewew, but if its installed, i suppose yes |
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| 10:40.52 | The_Ball | Does anyone know how to use "apt-get source" to pull the latest experimental code on a non-experimental system? |
| 10:40.58 | ewew | Falson What version of debian are you using ? Kernel version ? |
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| 10:41.23 | Falson | Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.2.0-1-amd64 |
| 10:41.25 | Falson | Debian stretch |
| 10:42.02 | ewew | Falson This channel is for debian stable. If you want you can go to #debian-next. |
| 10:42.21 | Falson | Oh shit |
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| 10:42.26 | Falson | You are right, thanks man |
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| 10:43.04 | ewew | Someone should update channel description. |
| 10:43.44 | jelly | Falson: note that #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode network. |
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| 10:45.11 | msn | mostly eveyrthing works |
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| 10:45.35 | rendar | so, there is a way to solve my problem? how i can check if zlib64 can be installed or not? |
| 10:45.39 | msn | except high-availability stuff most stuff from jessie works with stretch unles you have issues with plasma5 |
| 10:45.56 | msn | rendar: dpkg -l |grep zlib |
| 10:46.06 | msn | that should tell you which version is installed |
| 10:46.13 | jelly | ewew: what do you mean by channel description? testing is mentioned in the topic |
| 10:46.28 | rendar | msn, hmm, wait one second |
| 10:46.57 | ewew | jelly I think people dont read it often. |
| 10:47.21 | msn | won't make a difference where you put it in topic ppl rarely read it |
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| 10:48.02 | jelly | ewew: still not sure what you mean by channel description |
| 10:48.10 | Falson | Im almost sure that topic was different few days ago |
| 10:48.18 | Falson | But not i see testing/unstable info |
| 10:48.18 | rendar | how i can locate a library path? |
| 10:48.21 | Falson | now* |
| 10:48.37 | mikunos | hi guys I get this strange error when I try to install the pure-ftpd software: dpkg: error processing package pure-ftpd (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 10:48.43 | msn | rendar: dpkg -L <library deb> |
| 10:48.45 | mikunos | what have I to do? |
| 10:48.54 | jelly | Falson: type /topic in your irc client to make it show the whole thing again |
| 10:49.30 | msn | mikunos: is that all the error message you get? |
| 10:49.31 | Falson | jelly, Yeah it was that, im used to Irssi. Now using hex-chat. |
| 10:49.32 | Falson | Thanks |
| 10:49.48 | rendar | msn, i don't know the path of the library.deb |
| 10:49.50 | msn | i am waiting for kvirc update been a while using sam ething |
| 10:49.52 | jelly | Falson: mouseover the topic will show it there |
| 10:50.10 | msn | rendar: dpkg -l |grep zlib |
| 10:50.23 | msn | then the output will shold you library install named |
| 10:50.32 | msn | then dpkg -L <install name> |
| 10:50.36 | jelly | mikunos: put the complete command you ran, and its whole output into a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 10:50.44 | ewew | jelly This is not easy when client displays join/leave messages. Before you notice its gone. |
| 10:51.10 | msn | yeah for that the cahnnel would have to be mode +D i think |
| 10:51.22 | msn | so leave joins only pop for people who talk i think |
| 10:52.06 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315477/ jelly |
| 10:52.22 | ewew | I have plugin that prevents displaying this messages. If number of users is above some number and not writen in chat for period of time. |
| 10:52.28 | jelly | ewew: learning how to use irc is probably out of scope of this channel, but I'm sure people in #hexchat or #irssi can help with hiding joins/parts/quits |
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| 10:53.23 | ewew | jelly ok. I have this solved. But just telling about plugin that makes chating easier. |
| 10:53.35 | msn | mikunos: hmm try stopping pure-ftpd before you do the install |
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| 10:54.18 | mikunos | â> /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop |
| 10:54.25 | msn | yes |
| 10:54.30 | mikunos | it is not executed at all :o |
| 10:54.32 | msn | or systemctl stop pure-ftpd |
| 10:54.46 | mikunos | systemctl is not found |
| 10:54.50 | mikunos | :o |
| 10:54.55 | msn | whihc debian version are you using |
| 10:55.02 | mikunos | Jessie |
| 10:55.26 | mikunos | VERSION="8 (jessie)" |
| 10:55.28 | msn | jelly: systemd is default for jessie isnt it |
| 10:55.39 | jelly | mikunos: does "ps -fe |grep ftpd" show any processes? |
| 10:55.56 | mikunos | it founds: ftpd |
| 10:56.00 | jelly | kill it |
| 10:56.09 | msn | without an axe |
| 10:56.25 | jelly | (any process apart from grep itself, that is, ignore that one) |
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| 10:57.20 | oo_miguel | "sensors" tell me: Vcore Voltage: +1.20 V (min = +1.45 V, max = +1.75 V) |
| 10:57.25 | oo_miguel | is this a reason to worry? |
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| 10:58.44 | ewew | oo_miguel What cpu is that ? |
| 10:58.48 | mikunos | nothing to do |
| 10:58.53 | oo_miguel | its an old q6600 |
| 10:59.07 | jelly | mikunos: run dpkg --configure -a, see if the error repears |
| 10:59.11 | jelly | repeats* |
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| 10:59.38 | ewew | oo_miguel Does the manufactures spec say its core voltage can vary for to to Volts ? |
| 10:59.41 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315479/ jelly |
| 10:59.45 | jelly | oo_miguel: default multipliers for lm_sensors are often incorrect |
| 11:00.22 | jelly | oo_miguel: so it's quite possible the shown value is not correct. If you can check the same thing in BIOS, do that to confirm |
| 11:00.57 | oo_miguel | jelly: ok, thank you. I will do it now. |
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| 11:02.39 | oo_miguel | ah one more question: where do the min and max values of "sensors" output come from? |
| 11:02.43 | mikunos | any idea jelly? |
| 11:03.42 | oo_miguel | intel.com says: VID Voltage Range0.8500V-1.500V |
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| 11:17.22 | mikunos | any help? |
| 11:17.37 | mikunos | dpkg: error processing package pure-ftpd-mysql (--configure): |
| 11:17.38 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.38 | mikunos | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:17.38 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.38 | dpkg | mikunos: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 11:19.24 | stava | Do I need to replace my hdd? Not sure how to read smartctl report: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8848982 |
| 11:19.29 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315484/ |
| 11:19.51 | stava | It says it passed the test, but still i have 14718464 Raw_Read_Error_Rate? |
| 11:20.59 | ewew | stava Every vendor has its own interpretationn of smart numbers. |
| 11:22.48 | stava | ewew: What do you suggest I do to understand whether this hdd is failing or not? It's a Seagate ST1000DM003 |
| 11:22.59 | stava | or if it's healthy or not |
| 11:23.20 | stava | I'm running badblocks now but it's quite slow |
| 11:23.53 | ewew | stava I can not tell you for sure. |
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| 11:25.37 | stava | It "feels" like it's failing. Certain tasks are running much slower now (like concatenating javascript files) |
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| 11:29.36 | stava | But lets say I determine this hdd is bad. Can I move everything on it, like clone it, to another hdd? What if the new hdd is smaller in storage size, would that still work? It's a lvm/ext4 filesystem, and actual used storage is actually within the bounds of the new hdd |
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| 11:32.28 | mikunos | I don't understand how to solve the pure-ftpd-mysql error |
| 11:32.37 | markybob | stava, sure it's possible. google "copy lvm to smaller disk" |
| 11:32.45 | mikunos | there is a problem during the install |
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| 11:34.16 | markybob | !it |
| 11:34.16 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:34.31 | ewew | markybob But we dont know if the disk is in good shape and it can handle the load. |
| 11:34.32 | markybob | mikunos, no one understands errors in other languages here. |
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| 11:35.05 | stava | markybob: Ofc, I'll google it :p |
| 11:35.09 | markybob | ewew, seems like it's his last ditch is he doesn't have a backup (i came in late) |
| 11:35.28 | stava | That's right - no backups |
| 11:35.46 | markybob | stava, live and learn :/ |
| 11:35.53 | stava | But it seems the only proof of this hdd failing are my "feelings" |
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| 11:36.10 | stava | Here are the outputs of fdisk -l and smartctl: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8848983 |
| 11:37.05 | mikunos | markybob I am trying to write into English :D |
| 11:37.21 | mikunos | btw have you read the pastebin requested? |
| 11:37.55 | markybob | mikunos, i don't even know what the error you posted says. i had to /whois to realize it was italian. italian channel will be much more helpful |
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| 11:38.42 | mikunos | markybob I am trying to install the pure-ftpd-mysql but I get some errors |
| 11:38.53 | mikunos | this is the error: dpkg: error processing package pure-ftpd-mysql (--configure): |
| 11:39.11 | markybob | mikunos, there's usually more to it than that |
| 11:39.35 | msn | mikunos: did you kill the pure-ftpd process like jelly told you earlier |
| 11:39.58 | markybob | mikunos, i've gotta go anyway. good luck. you too stava |
| 11:40.12 | mikunos | there is no process for the pure-ftpd |
| 11:40.31 | msn | netstat -tlnp |grep 21 |
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| 11:42.04 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315486/ |
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| 11:42.25 | mikunos | msn there is not any process |
| 11:42.54 | msn | mikunos: you can try apt-get purge pure-ftpd |
| 11:43.04 | mikunos | already done |
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| 11:43.32 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315488/ |
| 11:43.37 | mikunos | msn ^ |
| 11:43.57 | msn | ps ax |grep 3347 |
| 11:44.22 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:44.30 | msn | hmm |
| 11:44.35 | msn | no paste there |
| 11:44.43 | mikunos | where? |
| 11:44.50 | msn | in your link |
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| 11:45.27 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315492/ |
| 11:45.31 | mikunos | sorry |
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| 11:46.23 | msn | in that case check /var/run for a pid file |
| 11:46.56 | Iridos | msn, why do you think anything is running... he purged it |
| 11:47.17 | mikunos | msn ??? |
| 11:47.31 | msn | i am thinking there isa left over pid file |
| 11:47.32 | mikunos | I have already purged all |
| 11:47.42 | mikunos | where is the pid file? |
| 11:47.53 | msn | since the pid 3347 has been constantly showing in all his pastes |
| 11:48.08 | mikunos | maybe the pid file is not purged at all |
| 11:48.10 | Iridos | I haven't seen that |
| 11:48.13 | msn | and if the process is not running the id should be read from somewhere, probably a pid file |
| 11:48.31 | msn | i saw the first post earlier same pid |
| 11:48.32 | Iridos | what would really be useful would be the original error that is supressed because the dpkg --configure is called by apt |
| 11:48.34 | linuxd | a massive backup file seeme to have completely filled my root partition.how could I find files larger than some extend,say 5Gigs? |
| 11:49.28 | msn | mikunos: pid file would be probably given in /etc/default/pure-ftpd or /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd |
| 11:49.37 | msn | check the default one first |
| 11:50.31 | mikunos | no PID file found |
| 11:50.51 | msn | well dpkg is reading that id from somewhere |
| 11:51.01 | mikunos | â> /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd and /etc/default/pure-ftpd |
| 11:51.18 | mikunos | there is no pid file |
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| 11:52.25 | Iridos | oh, you mean paste 315477 |
| 11:53.01 | msn | mikunos: try install again and paste the log again |
| 11:53.06 | msn | Iridos: yes |
| 11:53.32 | mikunos | again? |
| 11:53.36 | mikunos | let me see |
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| 11:53.54 | Iridos | dpkg, postinst |
| 11:53.54 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 11:54.00 | mikunos | apt-get install pure-ftpd-mysql ?? |
| 11:54.03 | mikunos | right? |
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| 11:55.08 | jelly | mikunos: oh btw, did the normal pure-ftpd that you had before work? |
| 11:55.14 | Iridos | mikunos, grep start-stop /var/lib/dpkg/info/pure-ftpd-mysql.{pre,post}{innst,rm} |
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| 11:55.55 | mikunos | yes https://paste.debian.net/315494/ |
| 11:56.25 | Iridos | ops, I typed innst |
| 11:56.36 | Iridos | hm, but seems gone anyway |
| 11:56.46 | Iridos | wait, wrong package |
| 11:57.10 | Iridos | *sigh*... guess need more coffee to start up my brain |
| 11:57.31 | mikunos | monday is always a beast! |
| 11:57.41 | msn | almost over here |
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| 11:58.02 | zaldy | k |
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| 11:58.36 | zaldy | yeah |
| 11:58.41 | zaldy | hii |
| 11:58.46 | zaldy | hohoho |
| 11:58.49 | zaldy | hohoooho |
| 11:58.52 | zaldy | hohohoho |
| 11:58.55 | zaldy | hahahah |
| 11:59.01 | zaldy | hehehe |
| 11:59.02 | zaldy | hihihih |
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| 12:01.59 | Iridos | mikunos, what version of debian is this? |
| 12:02.13 | mikunos | jessie |
| 12:02.24 | Iridos | right... I'm on wheezy |
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| 12:03.04 | Iridos | so the scripts i see don't need to match |
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| 12:03.16 | Iridos | mikunos, the most easy+satisfying solution would probably be to get the daemon started properly... then the postrm script can shut it down properly and bob's your uncle |
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| 12:03.57 | Iridos | the also-proper way would be to file a bug on the package... I think package-removals shouldn't stop because the server is not up |
| 12:04.01 | Iridos | s/stop/fail/ |
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| 12:05.26 | mikunos | I have checked the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ folder and there is no pure-ftp* files |
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| 12:06.19 | mikunos | :( |
| 12:07.21 | msn | well you can try install pure-ftpd once |
| 12:07.24 | msn | and then remove again |
| 12:07.26 | Iridos | there must be, if the purging of the package failed |
| 12:07.35 | Iridos | I have these on wheezy: pure-ftpd-common.postinst pure-ftpd-common.postrm pure-ftpd.postinstpure-ftpd.postrm pure-ftpd.prerm |
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| 12:07.53 | msn | he checked in mysql |
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| 12:07.55 | mikunos | already done two times :( |
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| 12:08.45 | Iridos | I am actually not sure anymore what package state you're in |
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| 12:09.14 | mikunos | maybe I have solved |
| 12:09.18 | Iridos | this should show you, though: dpkg -l pure-ftp\* |
| 12:10.49 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315496/ |
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| 12:12.15 | mikunos | https://paste.debian.net/315497/ |
| 12:12.21 | mikunos | It is really weird! |
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| 12:14.10 | Guest47548 | hello everyone, i just would love to know if Debian will be able to have its own PPAs as Ubuntu have? |
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| 12:14.21 | msn | mikunos: its showing everything is installed alrady |
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| 12:14.45 | mikunos | yes because I have reinstalled them again |
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| 12:14.58 | msn | well then isnt your problem solved? |
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| 12:15.16 | is_null | hi all, i'm trying to make a debian package for my software, is it possible to build it from the repo without having to make a tarball ? |
| 12:15.43 | is_null | here's the error i'm confronted with: http://dpaste.com/0C9DE93 |
| 12:17.10 | ws2k3 | when i run dmesg on my server it says Segmentation fault (core dumped) my /var/log/syslog says this line: [24626248.500463] dmesg[3879] general protection ip:401813 sp:7fffa010c960 error:0 in dmesg[400000+5000] what can this be ? |
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| 12:19.44 | Iridos | mikunos, well, that looks actually ok to me? |
| 12:20.10 | Guest47548 | Hey guys, Will Debian have PPAs like Ubuntu? |
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| 12:20.52 | msn | why would debian need ppa |
| 12:21.04 | bazhang | !backport |
| 12:21.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:22.05 | Iridos | Guest47548, I guess nobody could hinder people from offering packages built against jessie in a ppa and the mechanism would work the same... but ... well, you can /msg dpkg ppa (and also /msg dpkg why not use a ppa ) |
| 12:22.13 | petn-randall | Guest47548: There's no such thing in Debian, but you can easily create your personal repository with e.g. reprepro or mini-dinstall. |
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| 12:24.25 | Guest47548 | Iridos: petn-randall everytime i add a new repository i have to manually add its key |
| 12:24.51 | Guest47548 | or i am doing it wrong? |
| 12:24.52 | petn-randall | Guest47548: How does Ubuntu handle keys then? |
| 12:25.23 | Guest47548 | petn-randall: adding repos on ubuntu also asks me for keys |
| 12:25.41 | Guest47548 | when adding a PPA it only asks me to press enter to add the keys itself |
| 12:25.51 | ewew | Guest47548 Not very secure way. |
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| 12:26.06 | msn | !ppa |
| 12:26.06 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 12:26.10 | themill | There is on-going work to develop a similar sort of thing for archive for debian developers |
| 12:26.13 | msn | i like the idiot part :P |
| 12:26.54 | Guest47548 | haha |
| 12:27.09 | msn | pretty much explains eveyrthing |
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| 12:27.21 | Iridos | right |
| 12:27.26 | vivia | hi, I installed jessie with ubuntu telling it I don't have a network device (which I didn't) |
| 12:27.28 | ewew | Guest47548 Debian is a stable system, not a changing like socks. |
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| 12:27.32 | Guest47548 | so the reason why not use a PPA is because it isn't safe? |
| 12:27.37 | vivia | and I just managed to install my network device, but now KDE is unaware that I have it |
| 12:27.52 | Guest47548 | i have never had a problem with Ubuntu PPAs before |
| 12:28.00 | vivia | what should I install on top of it? preferably from the usb drive because i still really can't connect to wifi |
| 12:28.15 | Guest47548 | well i don't add PPAs like an idiot lol |
| 12:28.41 | vivia | eeeeeeeek |
| 12:28.49 | vivia | did i say with ubuntu? total brainfart. sorry |
| 12:28.51 | vivia | i meant kde |
| 12:28.53 | msn | mostly any package i have ever needed has been in debian repos |
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| 12:29.10 | msn | vivia: is your kde network-mangaer app working? |
| 12:29.24 | vivia | msn: no, I don't seem to have a network-manager installed |
| 12:29.38 | msn | well if its desktop it might help |
| 12:30.01 | Guest47548 | msn: could you tell any debian repo like fedora rpmfusion with free and nonfree apps? |
| 12:30.24 | Guest47548 | its own repos doesn't have much stuff |
| 12:30.27 | msn | all debian repos have eveyrthing |
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| 12:30.45 | paolo43 | hi |
| 12:30.51 | msn | just add contrib non-free to the debian repo line and do a apt-get update |
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| 12:31.10 | Guest47548 | msn: what if i want to install a nvdia proprietary driver? |
| 12:31.27 | msn | non-free has mostly all such drivers and firmwares |
| 12:31.35 | Guest47548 | hmm |
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| 12:32.28 | Guest47548 | up to date? :p |
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| 12:32.51 | msn | and latest nvidia driversa re in experimental repo |
| 12:33.03 | Guest47548 | sorry for asking a lot, i had a hard time where i couldn't find packages to my debian |
| 12:33.10 | vivia | msn; |
| 12:33.27 | vivia | msn: any clues as to how I can find what's missing to install? it should be on the usb, right? |
| 12:33.40 | msn | hmmm not really |
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| 12:33.53 | msn | if its install image it depends what iamge you have |
| 12:34.48 | Guest47548 | msn: can i use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ to update debian jessie kernels? |
| 12:34.50 | msn | vivia: if you added a usb network it would be detected and should be visible in dmesg |
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| 12:35.15 | msn | Guest10816: please don't , |
| 12:35.36 | msn | if you reallly need new kernels and latest stuff you should try out testing/stretch |
| 12:35.36 | Guest47548 | msn: you mean me? |
| 12:35.43 | msn | yes sorry |
| 12:35.49 | vivia | msn: not exactly, I compiled the wl module and it's visible in iwconfig |
| 12:36.01 | vivia | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso <-- this image |
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| 12:36.23 | Guest47548 | msn: okay you make me want to install jessie right now :D |
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| 12:36.25 | msn | vivia: you could try putting wifi config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:36.32 | Guest47548 | msn: have a good day, thank you! |
| 12:36.51 | msn | Guest47548: yw |
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| 12:37.07 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:37.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc4-686 (4.3~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.1-2); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.1.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u4) |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | bpo for jessie has a 4.1 kernel |
| 12:37.38 | msn | bpo? |
| 12:37.44 | msn | backports? |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell msn about bpo |
| 12:37.55 | vivia | msn: ok I'll try, but it's not on this laptop that I'm using now either (also wl) |
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| 12:38.22 | abrotman | If someone "only" wants a newer kernel, much safer to use BPO things for now |
| 12:38.29 | msn | ah didn't know that but i don't see if i would need kernel 4.1 on any of my prod hosts |
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| 12:38.51 | msn | 3.16 is just fine what i really would have liked was pacemaker/corosync whihc unfortunately isnt in bpo |
| 12:39.39 | vivia | msn: nope, didn't work |
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| 12:39.51 | msn | iwconfig shows your card? |
| 12:40.42 | vivia | oh. "operation not possible due to RF-kill". |
| 12:41.04 | vivia | there was something about a bug in some other kernel module... ideapad |
| 12:44.20 | msn | well i am heading off to home |
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| 12:45.28 | vivia | msn: ok, thanks for your help! |
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| 13:02.02 | vivia | does anyone know what is the executable that runs the debian installer? from inside the installer image |
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| 13:03.54 | ksk | vivia: what do you really want to know/ archive? |
| 13:04.00 | recirocity | hi |
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| 13:04.39 | haha | ... |
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| 13:05.28 | vivia | ksk: rerun the installer under the existing kernel (which does have a working wlan0 device) |
| 13:06.29 | vivia | i had to select "install without a network device", and it looks like my installation is broken |
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| 13:06.49 | ksk | vivia: it might be " /sbin/debian-installer-startup" |
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| 13:07.39 | ksk | or, take a look at the inittab, installer should get started there ( im readhing squeeze-docs, might differ nowadays.) anyways, please try google seems to be a lot of topics on that ;) |
| 13:07.41 | jelly | vivia: you might have better luck using unofficial images with wifi firmware included? |
| 13:07.51 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 13:07.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 13:07.53 | vivia | jelly: it's not firmware, it's the wl driver |
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| 13:08.09 | ksk | so how does firmware and driver differ? :> |
| 13:08.15 | jelly | one uses the other |
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| 13:08.41 | vivia | wl has to be compiled :( binaries can't be shipped |
| 13:08.57 | vivia | https://wiki.debian.org/wl had to install this (and its deps) with usb sticks |
| 13:09.00 | jelly | vivia: and your chip isn't in the least amount supported by free drivers? |
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| 13:09.09 | vivia | jelly: apparently not |
| 13:09.21 | vivia | it's the 4352 |
| 13:09.29 | jelly | bad luck picking the hardware |
| 13:09.35 | vivia | yes :( |
| 13:09.45 | vivia | so now i'm stuck with a system that doesn't contain networkmanager, apparently |
| 13:10.07 | SirLagz | who needs networkmanager anyway |
| 13:10.19 | vivia | ME! got a problem with that? |
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| 13:11.04 | SirLagz | vivia: you only *think* you need networkmanager :P |
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| 13:11.25 | vivia | SirLagz: what's the alternative? |
| 13:11.28 | abferm | I have a vailid use for networkmanager |
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| 13:11.40 | SirLagz | vivia: depends on what you're using networkmanager for |
| 13:12.08 | wizzy____ | Hi. Is there any way to disable the assembly of RAID arrays on boot? I've tried mdassemble=none raid=noautodetect but yet it still tries to assemble the arrays |
| 13:12.09 | abferm | I use it to maintain 3G connections on telemetry devices. |
| 13:12.24 | vivia | SirLagz: if you don't know how to make me recover the system, STFU and PLEASE don't try to talk me out of installing it\ |
| 13:12.35 | vivia | JUST LET ME GET THE HELP I'M TRYING TO GET, thank |
| 13:12.37 | vivia | +s |
| 13:12.43 | SirLagz | vivia: whoa... |
| 13:12.45 | SirLagz | righto then. |
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| 13:13.57 | abferm | vivia: plug in ethernet for initial setup... That is the best solution. Then you can apt-get install all your wireless drivers, etc. |
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| 13:14.09 | jelly | SirLagz: he's right -- if you can help him bring up the network with ifupdown, do so, otherwise commenting without providing tech support isn't worth a lot |
| 13:14.15 | vivia | abferm: can i download a usb-to-ethernet adapter? because the local shops didn't have one |
| 13:14.16 | is_null | your bad manners are only exceeded by your bad manners |
| 13:14.24 | vivia | :( |
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| 13:14.32 | SirLagz | jelly: I was about to try and help, but he's right, I won't help. |
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| 13:14.39 | vivia | jelly: not sure how to set up wpa2 with just console |
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| 13:15.15 | vivia | and in any case, the system is missing networkmanager |
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| 13:15.34 | vivia | and i'm not sure how to recover, whether using the usb installer (which *should* have the package!) or a network |
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| 13:16.41 | abferm | vivia: download the packages you need with another computer, put them on a flashdrive, then sudo dpkg -i [deb file] |
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| 13:17.12 | vivia | abferm: not sure exactly what I need, and the fact that I'm using kde is only making matters worse :( |
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| 13:18.17 | jelly | vivia: if you have a full cd or dvd image, it will have network-manager packages on it |
| 13:18.20 | themill | vivia: can you plug this machine into a network to sort this out? |
| 13:18.33 | jelly | a wired, ethernet network |
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| 13:19.00 | vivia | not today. i did search all shops :( |
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| 13:19.29 | abferm | vivia: amazon has 1-2 day shipping. |
| 13:19.48 | jelly | abferm: only for US |
| 13:19.54 | vivia | abferm: lucky you |
| 13:20.03 | SirLagz | vivia: why can't you plug it into a wired network? |
| 13:20.08 | vivia | dumped wl.ko into the usb drive, let's hope the installer will work if i modprobe it |
| 13:20.20 | vivia | SirLagz: because it doesn't have an ethernet port and i was unable to find an usb-to-ethernet adapter |
| 13:20.26 | SirLagz | vivia: ah right. |
| 13:20.58 | recirocity | im running a debian distro and getting a lot of errors - cpu fifo pipe underrun, unsupported bios version etc |
| 13:21.15 | recirocity | what meaures can i use to solve these errors on loading the distro ? |
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| 13:22.24 | jelly | recirocity: which debian release? |
| 13:22.38 | recirocity | kali |
| 13:22.44 | recirocity | downstream |
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| 13:22.57 | recirocity | but i've had similar errors in tails as well |
| 13:23.41 | recirocity | it's a bit paranoid but i suspect it's firmware malware because usb peripherals are being corrupted and trackpad is intermittent |
| 13:23.54 | abrotman | recirocity: neither of those are Debian |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | recirocity: try their support channels |
| 13:24.05 | recirocity | ok |
| 13:24.20 | jelly | recirocity: if you can reproduce with actual debian, we might give it a try |
| 13:24.38 | recirocity | ok |
| 13:24.46 | recirocity | i thought tails at least was based on debian |
| 13:25.10 | abrotman | lots of things are based on Debian, they're not supported here, just actual Debian |
| 13:25.31 | recirocity | ok |
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| 13:27.34 | vivia | WORKED, copying wl.ko into the installer filesystem and modprobe-ing it |
| 13:27.44 | jelly | !win vivia |
| 13:27.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, vivia! You have won the US presidency! |
| 13:27.47 | SirLagz | vivia: good work |
| 13:27.56 | vivia | thanks all for the help :) |
| 13:27.59 | dvs | but does it work? |
| 13:28.12 | vivia | yes, the installer successfully scanned the networks |
| 13:28.18 | dvs | yay! |
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| 14:10.28 | DanCardiff | hey all |
| 14:10.35 | DanCardiff | im trying to uninstall pip |
| 14:10.42 | DanCardiff | but i cant because its "owned by os" |
| 14:10.44 | DanCardiff | any ideas_ |
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| 14:11.38 | jelly | DanCardiff: what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which pip))" say? |
| 14:12.53 | jelly | DanCardiff: you can try to uninstall that package, just be careful that action might chain-uninstall other stuff as well |
| 14:13.13 | DanCardiff | no path for /usr/local/bin/pip |
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| 14:14.19 | jelly | DanCardiff: the copy of pip in /usr/local/bin/ is not part of packaging system (not part of "OS"), someone or something installed it manually, possibly from sources |
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| 14:15.03 | jelly | DanCardiff: you likely need to be root to remove it one way or the other |
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| 14:17.17 | DanCardiff | i can apt-get uninstall python-pip |
| 14:17.26 | DanCardiff | but then i cant use getpip.py |
| 14:17.34 | DanCardiff | and "pip" doesnt work |
| 14:17.36 | jelly | DanCardiff: but that won't remove /usr/local/bin/pip |
| 14:17.41 | DanCardiff | ah, i see |
| 14:17.52 | DanCardiff | So i just.... manually delete it? |
| 14:18.09 | jelly | or ask someone more clueful in python things for a better way |
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| 14:20.13 | markybob | DanCardiff, iirc you can do /usr/local/bin/pip uninstall pip |
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| 14:20.43 | DanCardiff | hehe, it still says owned by OS |
| 14:20.54 | markybob | DanCardiff, are you root? |
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| 14:21.01 | DanCardiff | yup |
| 14:21.09 | DanCardiff | sudo'd anyway |
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| 14:21.28 | markybob | DanCardiff, try it as straight root |
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| 14:25.15 | jelly | DanCardiff: I guess it gets confused because packaged /usr/bin/pip exists as well. You could try to remove python-pip package temporarily, then do the above, then install the package back |
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| 14:26.52 | DanCardiff | i have no /usr/bin/pip |
| 14:27.14 | DanCardiff | and when i run /usr/local/bin/pip uninstall pip i get a long error |
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| 14:27.30 | DanCardiff | pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: pip==1.5.6 |
| 14:27.42 | DanCardiff | but i get this if i also just run "pip" |
| 14:27.48 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:27.54 | DanCardiff | which pip shows me its in /usr/local/bin/pip |
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| 14:28.08 | DanCardiff | hahaha, yeah i have no idea either |
| 14:28.10 | jelly | DanCardiff: ls -ld /usr/bin/pip* shows nothing? |
| 14:28.24 | jelly | if python-pip is installed it ought to be there |
| 14:28.27 | DanCardiff | nope |
| 14:28.35 | DanCardiff | i uninstalled python-pip :) |
| 14:28.45 | jelly | well duh |
| 14:28.48 | anexit | Anyone here have issues getting virtualbox to run seamless? |
| 14:28.48 | DanCardiff | hahaha |
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| 14:28.59 | DanCardiff | sorry i dont really know why im doing the things im doing |
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| 14:29.05 | DanCardiff | too many pips spoil the soup |
| 14:29.39 | jelly | DanCardiff: eh, just rename /usr/local/bin/pip to /usr/local/bin/pip.fuckup, install the packaged one back, then as _normal user_ do your pip stuff |
| 14:29.51 | jelly | (presumably under virtualenv) |
| 14:30.10 | abferm | I'm having issues using a basic auth https deb repository in my chroots. The odd thing is, it works just fine in docker containers, and on dedicated hardware... |
| 14:31.04 | jelly | abferm: does https work at all? Probably requires /dev/urandom to be present... |
| 14:31.18 | abferm | I have /dev bound... |
| 14:31.36 | DanCardiff | ok |
| 14:31.39 | DanCardiff | i think i fixed it |
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| 14:31.58 | DanCardiff | i deleted stuff from /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages |
| 14:32.01 | DanCardiff | just.... whatever |
| 14:32.03 | DanCardiff | pip |
| 14:32.06 | DanCardiff | some other stuff |
| 14:32.31 | DanCardiff | it was a massacre, but it seems from death comes new life, in the form of get-pip.py |
| 14:32.52 | jelly | as long as you don't run it as root... |
| 14:32.56 | DanCardiff | oh, er |
| 14:32.59 | DanCardiff | .... |
| 14:33.04 | DanCardiff | why would that be a bad thing? |
| 14:33.06 | markybob | ha |
| 14:33.37 | jelly | be a normal user and use virtualenv, install stuff within |
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| 14:33.48 | jelly | I'm told that's the sane way |
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| 14:37.54 | DanCardiff | thats what people tell me |
| 14:38.03 | DanCardiff | but i dont really know what virtualenv is |
| 14:38.17 | jelly | DanCardiff: there's probably no reason to use get-pip.py if you have the OS-packaged pop |
| 14:38.21 | jelly | pip* |
| 14:38.22 | DanCardiff | more importantly, the package i just spent an hour trying to upgrade had a bug which gives results that are incorrect |
| 14:38.33 | DanCardiff | and i really really really didnt want that anywhere on my system |
| 14:38.36 | abferm | apt-get update always fails on the Packages file in the chroots, it grabs InRelease and Release just fine. |
| 14:38.39 | DanCardiff | just encase, you know |
| 14:38.58 | abferm | jelly ^ |
| 14:38.59 | jelly | abferm: wfm, you'll have to be more specific than that |
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| 14:39.06 | jelly | has chroots |
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| 14:39.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell abferm about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 14:39.54 | abferm | W: Failed to fetch https://XXX.XXX.com/debian/dists/jessie-unstable/main/binary-armhf/Packages |
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| 14:40.18 | markybob | jessie-unstable, huh? |
| 14:40.23 | jelly | XXX.XXX ? |
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| 14:40.40 | dvs | covers his eyes |
| 14:41.18 | abferm | It's a proprietary repository... |
| 14:41.21 | jelly | abferm: read carefully what dpkg told you in private message, and provide _all_ the info |
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| 14:41.49 | markybob | abferm, then you should probably go bother them |
| 14:42.57 | jelly | abferm: that's probably not the only error/warning line, should be something in the output above that, too |
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| 14:45.19 | abferm | jelly: sent you a pm |
| 14:45.42 | markybob | he loves pm's |
| 14:46.08 | jelly | I DO love PMs! My rates for private help are flexible. |
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| 14:47.16 | jelly | abferm: but here's a free hint based on what you've shown in public: you need apt-transport-https installed for https:// |
| 14:47.30 | abferm | jelly: it is |
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| 14:48.19 | abferm | version 1.0.9.8.1 |
| 14:48.25 | jelly | no idea then. If you need private help, PM me. Or get approval to show actual output in here. |
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| 14:51.19 | abferm | http://pastebin.com/gTk7yhXM |
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| 14:51.51 | abferm | ^ Domain names are marked out, but I have verified that the files are where it is looking using my web browser. |
| 14:52.24 | markybob | the mirror probably just doesn't support https. most don't. |
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| 14:53.02 | abferm | markybob... It works fine on dedicated hardware. I only see issues on chroots so far. |
| 14:53.04 | mxtm | what would be the best, cleanest way to downgrade nginx in backports to nginx in the stable repos |
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| 14:56.36 | Iridos | I don't see how we can give advice on a problem on some incorrectly set up proprietary repo that we can't even access |
| 14:56.55 | markybob | Iridos, we can't |
| 14:57.16 | Iridos | I mean... are we supposed to also do it blindfolded and wearing thick gloves? |
| 14:57.20 | jelly | abferm: I'd verify the resolver inside chroot and on the machine where it works points to the same IP for the affected repo |
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| 14:57.51 | jelly | abferm: if that fails, dunno. I can give you $95/hour, one hour minimum, paid in advance (via paypal) for help in private and you'll have to show actual outputs. |
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| 14:59.02 | abferm | crap... looks like it is related to the certificate... |
| 14:59.48 | jelly | that might well be the case |
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| 15:00.24 | jelly | apt-transport-https Depends: libcurl3-gnutls so you'd have to add the right CA to gnutls |
| 15:00.59 | abferm | yeah... I don't have ca-certificates installed yet... |
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| 15:03.15 | abferm | My chroots are being used to build images for other devices, I should have figured it was another chicken and the egg problem... |
| 15:03.47 | jelly | convert to eggroots |
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| 15:05.15 | abferm | never heard of it |
| 15:05.28 | markybob | joke |
| 15:06.30 | abferm | anyway, problem solved, I just need to have debootstrap install it for me before I try to do any operations inside the chroot. |
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| 15:15.55 | somewhat | can you imagine... you wake up and your home directory is empty, and you are baffled. And you check your bash_history eventually and realise you must have done it yourself. |
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| 15:16.38 | markybob | somewhat, go to AA |
| 15:16.39 | Tazmain | hi all, I read that debian is dropping the linux standard base. Why is that ? |
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| 15:17.05 | ewew | umount /home and startup ext3grep. |
| 15:17.07 | somewhat | antiiotics anonymous.... good choice. |
| 15:17.13 | somewhat | antibiotics anonymous |
| 15:17.28 | jelly | Tazmain: read some more, then: https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ |
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| 15:18.39 | jelly | somewhat: hi, this is a tech support channel. Unless you have a debian support question, please keep quiet. Freenode has a social, chatting channel at ##chat, and we have a small one in #debian-offtopic when we get tired of support. |
| 15:19.20 | somewhat | always nice to meet friendly people. |
| 15:19.40 | Tazmain | okay read that but is debian going to use a different standard ? |
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| 15:21.05 | somewhat | ewew: can't unmount it, it is on /, but thanks for the reference, I was only aware of extundelete (or something) but that is a horrendous tool. |
| 15:21.47 | ewew | somewhat But it crashes on stage 2. Debian 7 |
| 15:22.06 | RichiH | !lsb |
| 15:22.06 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 15:22.12 | Iridos | well, is it ext3 at all? |
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| 15:22.53 | somewhat | Iridos: it happens to be |
| 15:23.05 | jelly | Tazmain: debian has always had its own packaging policy. |
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| 15:25.00 | Tazmain | Oh I see |
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| 15:28.39 | jelly | Tazmain: never seen a lsb-compliant piece of software apart from printer drivers the article already mentioned |
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| 15:29.18 | Tazmain | yeah its something I haven't heard of |
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| 15:30.23 | Pa444 | Anyone any good at linux commands? I.m trying to write shell script for basic job.. wondering if someone can help |
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| 15:32.09 | markybob | Pa444, #bash might be more appropriate |
| 15:32.50 | Pa444 | ok thanks |
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| 15:34.20 | jelly | somewhat: my apologies, didn't realize that _was_ a question |
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| 15:38.35 | Iridos | somewhat, actually - as far as I can remember - I found extundelete pretty nice something like... extundelete --output-dir /tmp/und/ --after 1362712213 --restore-all /dev/mapper/blubberbla .... I think I found e2undel horrible |
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| 15:39.45 | somewhat | Iridos: I think ext3grep is pretty much the same tool, maybe a fork. |
| 15:39.55 | Iridos | somewhat, and I guess you can force / to be readonly if you boot with init=/bin/bash (or better some type of live-cd, because init=/bin/bash won't give you a system that's fully brought up, while even singleuser mode will mount / rw ) |
| 15:40.21 | Iridos | this is of course, where you cherish your backups, as and how great they may be |
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| 15:40.57 | jelly | if that happened to me I'd have had to cp -a /backup/home/2015-10-11/tree/jelly /home/ |
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| 15:41.45 | Iridos | somewhat, there's also FS-independent tools like magicrescue, if you have *some* quite important files of whose contents you can remember some (like pictures from a camera are all jpeg of a certain size) |
| 15:42.36 | somewhat | Iridos: maybe I just don't know how to use it. When I use it to restore a certain directory, to my recollection it won't work, whereas --restore-all will work. |
| 15:43.08 | somewhat | Iridos: but as ewew said, it segfaults on stage 2 (if you run it another time) |
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| 15:44.39 | TheLab | Hi, I tried to add a new user with sudo access. But when I do sudo visudo I get visudo: /etc/sudoers busy, try again later. Is there anywhere else to add the user to sudo by editing files with nano ? |
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| 15:45.26 | jelly | TheLab: open a root shell with sudo -i, then do visudo... does that work? |
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| 15:46.28 | TheLab | no j0z |
| 15:46.33 | TheLab | jelly |
| 15:46.50 | jelly | TheLab: alright that, perhaps something is really using it. fuser /etc/sudoers* |
| 15:47.54 | TheLab | I'm the only one on the server. I opened a visudo window earlier but couldnt write in it |
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| 15:48.16 | TheLab | root@Pjoff:~# fuser /etc/sudoers |
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| 15:48.28 | TheLab | "/etc/sudoers: 1945 |
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| 15:48.43 | markybob | so kill it |
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| 15:49.37 | Iridos | somewhat, maybe once was enough back then :) It got the files I wanted |
| 15:49.45 | jelly | TheLab: what is that process? ps -ffp 1945 |
| 15:50.19 | TheLab | its visudo |
| 15:50.32 | TheLab | kill 1945 then jelly ? |
| 15:50.35 | jelly | yes |
| 15:51.13 | TheLab | With -> "kill 1945" ? |
| 15:51.22 | ciscon | my kernel ring buffer is polluted with systemd-logind messages (new session/removed session) - it's running sysvinit, i saw something about this problem a while back but no solutions- any ideas? |
| 15:51.24 | jelly | TheLab: yes |
| 15:51.42 | TheLab | Still busy tho jelly |
| 15:51.53 | jelly | TheLab: did it die? Verify with ps again |
| 15:52.02 | TheLab | nope |
| 15:52.04 | patter | upgrade systemd to systemv ? |
| 15:52.13 | jelly | TheLab: then kill -9 1945 |
| 15:52.43 | TheLab | Now its dead jelly :) |
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| 15:53.49 | ciscon | patter: i actually converted it away from systemd but this still happens (due to that fact i should think) |
| 15:55.00 | somewhat | Iridos: --restore-all works, but it complains "no space left on device", probably not enough inodes(?) but the restoration is also not reliable, it restored some files that were all garbled up :P (at least one) :). |
| 15:55.37 | somewhat | Iridos: anyway, thanks for the help, and all, I will just try to restore from a different machine and redo some symlinks etc. Thanks. |
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| 15:57.03 | TheLab | Thx jelly, used sudo usermod -aG sudo <username> to add the user to sudo |
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| 16:18.14 | nemik | hello. are there any userland programs i could use to analyse a systemd binary .journal file with? |
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| 16:18.47 | jelly | nemik: journalctl? |
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| 16:19.43 | nemik | jelly: that's the only one? how would i specify a file with it? i extracted the .journal out a broken machine |
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| 16:21.36 | jelly | nemik: uhh... --file=PATH from "journalctl -h" output |
| 16:21.57 | jelly | I guess |
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| 16:22.37 | nemik | jelly: ah ok, thanks. i'm on a system without systemd. i wish there was a way i could do this on my mac instead of requiring a systemd system, but i can install it on a VM i guess |
| 16:23.51 | petn-randall | nemik: By default Debian has still rsyslog installed, that logs to /var/log/*, so you should be able to extract the logs there in plain text. |
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| 16:24.29 | jelly | nemik: too bad the thing is rather unportable, else I'd suggest just building it on Mac |
| 16:24.36 | nemik | petn-randall: not on my embedded system :( we didn't have rsyslog installed. all i have to go on is the journal file |
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| 16:24.46 | nemik | really not a fan of this binary logs thing |
| 16:25.04 | jelly | nemik: which debian release was that |
| 16:25.12 | toogley | hello. is there a way to install netbeans in debian jessie, without make use of the testing/oldstable/unstable branch? |
| 16:25.50 | nemik | jelly: we made a custom mish-mash, using wheezy with some systemd tools installed, mainly for services and process management, but the logging was a side-effect of that i guess |
| 16:25.51 | somewhat | nemik: I would second that ;-) :). journalctl and its ilk. I don't really like them. |
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| 16:28.15 | nemik | somewhat: yea it pretty much broke most of my toolset of using grep, awk, etc to look at logs. i suppose you can still do it but only by piping through journactl. and good luck if that binary log gets corrupted |
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| 16:34.46 | petn-randall | nemik: You can still use your classical syslog, but it's annoying that systemd grabs /dev/log, so you always have systemd in between. And if that crashes, the logs never get passed through. |
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| 17:23.36 | linuxthefish | how do i fix "E: Package 'lsb-core' has no installation candidate" in debian 8? |
| 17:23.59 | linuxthefish | i just want google chrome |
| 17:24.23 | jordanm | ,versions lsb-core |
| 17:24.24 | judd | Package: lsb-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 |
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| 17:24.46 | jordanm | linuxthefish: paste the output of `apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy lsb-core` |
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| 17:25.51 | jordanm | hmm, I have google-chrome installed but not lsb-core. doesn't look like it depends on it |
| 17:26.09 | linuxthefish | i mean google earth sorry |
| 17:27.03 | linuxthefish | i get "(none)" for lsb-core |
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| 17:27.49 | bazhang | !lsb |
| 17:27.49 | dpkg | well, lsb is Debian is dropping LSB support; see https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ -- Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
| 17:28.08 | bazhang | linuxthefish, ^ |
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| 17:28.28 | linuxthefish | so it's not possible to use google earth on debian 8? |
| 17:28.30 | jordanm | bazhang: that shouldn't apply to jessie, which is already released |
| 17:28.41 | bazhang | cheers jordanm |
| 17:28.48 | jordanm | linuxthefish: paste the output of `apt-cache policy` |
| 17:28.52 | bazhang | so the next release follwing then |
| 17:29.40 | Guest86065 | could I edit the system root partition wgile running Debian 8? |
| 17:30.09 | linuxthefish | i get http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4XhhH0hy thanks jordanm |
| 17:30.33 | jordanm | linuxthefish: that's debian unstable (sid), not debian 8 (jessie) |
| 17:30.46 | shneh | is it possible to have debian 8 with full disk encryption where everything but GRUB2 is encrypted? I.e. /boot is encrypted as well. |
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| 17:31.16 | jordanm | linuxthefish: you can probably just grab and install the lsb-core package from jessie from packages.debian.org |
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| 17:31.43 | somiaj | shneh: grub2 does support an encrypted boot. This support is still new and unsure what stage of support there is in the grub2 version with jessie. |
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| 17:33.22 | linuxthefish | how do i get a deb file from https://packages.debian.org/jessie/lsb-core ? |
| 17:33.40 | somiaj | linuxthefish: scroll down and click on the arch you want and then the mirror to use. |
| 17:33.56 | somiaj | linuxthefish: any reason you aren't just using apt to get this? |
| 17:34.48 | jordanm | somiaj: that package isn't available in sid, I recommended just downloading the deb from there. |
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| 17:35.17 | jordanm | perhaps that was a wrong suggestion though, since he will probably need to download lsb-base manually as well |
| 17:35.20 | jordanm | ,v lsb-base |
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| 17:35.21 | judd | Package: lsb-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; stretch: 9.20150917; sid: 9.20150917 |
| 17:35.31 | jordanm | nope, that one still exists |
| 17:35.42 | jordanm | ,v lsb-security |
| 17:35.43 | judd | Package: lsb-security on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 |
| 17:36.03 | shneh | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:36.07 | Guest86065 | could I edit the system root partition wgile running Debian 8? |
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| 17:38.45 | linuxthefish | lsb-core depends on lsb-security |
| 17:38.53 | linuxthefish | which stupid fucking idea to remove this package |
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| 17:38.57 | linuxthefish | i hate de[pendencies |
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| 17:41.44 | linuxthefish | Package lsb-core is not configured yet. |
| 17:41.59 | linuxthefish | i try to reconfigure ans "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: lsb-core is broken or not fully installed" |
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| 17:42.36 | somiaj | linuxthefish: downloading packages manually means you will have to download the dependecies as well. |
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| 17:44.27 | mxtm | after adding cronjobs into /etc/cron.d, i can't see them in `sudo crontab -l`; do i need to restart cron or something? |
| 17:45.13 | somiaj | mxtm: I don't think crontabl -l will list jobs in /etc/cron.d/ that will just list roots crontabs which are located in /var/something/something/cron/username I belive |
| 17:46.24 | somiaj | mxtm: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ is the directory crontab looks in for user specific cron info. |
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| 17:47.24 | mxtm | got it, thanks, so is there anything else i need to do after adding the jobs to cron.d to make sure they happen? |
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| 17:47.41 | somiaj | mxtm: I'm unsure if you need to restart cron or not. It couldn't hurt. |
| 17:47.52 | greycat | shouldn't be required |
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| 17:48.43 | mxtm | thanks |
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| 17:50.58 | jhutchins | ,v lsb-security |
| 17:51.00 | judd | Package: lsb-security on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 |
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| 18:14.10 | hoogeveen | no zpool encryption on zfsonlinux, huh? |
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| 18:36.54 | boudiccas | i'm getting a new computer tomorrow, and it will have a Intel® Celeron® Dual-Core G1850 (2.90GHz, 2MB Cache) + HD Graph and 16gig of ram. will it be a 64bit or a 32bit machine please? |
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| 18:37.59 | xand | boudiccas: 64-bit |
| 18:38.31 | boudiccas | thanks, i just needed to know for getting a netinstall iso |
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| 18:42.10 | hashtag__ | Command to get ip address of eth0 - any easy one? Like ip addr but just for eth0 and only the ip address? |
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| 18:54.48 | fennesz | Guys what back up tool would you recommend for large files ( 10-20 gb)? |
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| 18:57.30 | DrDamnit | Trying to associated application/x-php with sublime text (/usr/share/applications/sublime.desktop). MimeType directive in that didn't seem to work. Associations in /home/michael/.config/mimeapps.list didn't seem to work either. Restarted gdm3 each time to see if it took effect. No joy. |
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| 19:18.33 | boudiccas | fennesz, obnam |
| 19:18.50 | JohnA | How can I idle my system, not suspend or halt! |
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| 19:19.17 | bagbobilgins | JohnA: what do you mean by "idle"? |
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| 19:20.07 | fennesz | boudiccas, does it back up incrementaly? |
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| 19:20.57 | JohnA | bagbobilgins: Stop all services (postfix, dovecot ....) go to single tty session, NOT sulogin. |
| 19:21.05 | fennesz | does it have to be different versions of full backup ? Actually I am trying deja dup right now and it need full backups at frequent intervals. This takes too long ! |
| 19:21.46 | trickshotjohnny | telinit 1 |
| 19:21.56 | trickshotjohnny | put it into single user mode, no networking. |
| 19:22.05 | bagbobilgins | beat me to it |
| 19:22.13 | JohnA | bagbobilgins: I have tried several other groups and none of the suggested solutions works, although I am working on a systemd idle.unit. |
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| 19:22.51 | greycat | For god's sake name it something meaningful. "Go to single user mode" means something entirely different from "idle". |
| 19:23.08 | trickshotjohnny | it's a legacy artifact of SYSIII |
| 19:23.08 | greycat | But there should already be a systemd-ish way to go to single user mode (or a close facsimile). |
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| 19:23.36 | trickshotjohnny | it's also referred to as rescue mode in a lot of documentation, too. |
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| 19:23.50 | JohnA | trickshotjohnny: Problem is I have to relogin usually using sulogin. |
| 19:24.11 | trickshotjohnny | why is logging in a problem? |
| 19:24.18 | JohnA | my problem is UPS related, and so far I haven't found an answer. |
| 19:24.20 | greycat | "Booting in rescue mode" usually implies that you're starting from a system that's powered off, and booting from external media because your internal disk is fucked. |
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| 19:24.52 | greycat | "Booting in single user mode" is similar but using the internal disk. "Going to single user mode" implies you are already running in normal multi-user mode and want to UNDO that. |
| 19:25.21 | trickshotjohnny | ok, you're confusing me, but I'm the first to admit my feeble-mindedness. how does this play with a flaky UPS, and what symptoms are you seeing due to the flaky UPS? |
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| 19:27.14 | twanny796 | hello just made a net install from an old cd, and I got VERSION="7 (wheezy)", how do I upgrade to latest stable? |
| 19:27.23 | JohnA | We have some UPSs with a "f...... safety feature" - if the a power out is off when the UPSs dies, then power is not restored on main power restored. |
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| 19:28.35 | trickshotjohnny | gotcha, that makes sense and I understand why you would want a test system sitting idle when an event like that occurs. |
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| 19:29.07 | greycat | !tell twanny796 about wheezy->jessie |
| 19:31.11 | JohnA | What i am trying to do is get the system to go into minimal mode, and then wait for the power to die. if the power does not die within seconds go back to full operation. The delays is to allow for the UPS to shutdown, and in the event that power is restored. |
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| 19:32.48 | Lionyx | hello guys!!! anybody using elinks?? It's been a long time since I last used it, but now I want to go back to it. It seems that columns are messed! |
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| 19:34.06 | trickshotjohnny | JohnA: I haven't messed with it in a long while, but I believe you can script the actions that a NUT server will use if you've got a communication channel between the machine and the UPS |
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| 19:41.25 | JohnA | trickshotjohnny: thanks i'll take a look. |
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| 19:57.04 | Exagone313 | Hi, my server was shutdown (by the hosting service) because it ddos-ed another server. On the syslog on my server, I see two lines repeated 10 times (see http://pastie.org/private/0dkpf8mspajjrbxyf1q5dg ) with the target address of the ddos. My server seems clean, I don't think someone got access to a shell on it. I'll stop to use unbound, and i'll block the outbound IP address. What do you think about this? Thanks for |
| 19:57.05 | Exagone313 | your help. |
| 19:57.52 | greycat | unbound? is that a DNS server |
| 19:57.54 | greycat | ? |
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| 19:58.14 | Exagone313 | yes it is |
| 19:58.28 | Exagone313 | see on the paste, the user unbound is used |
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| 19:59.09 | greycat | I don't think that's a username. I think it's a process name. |
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| 19:59.28 | Exagone313 | there is a unbound user, with /bin/false shell |
| 19:59.37 | Exagone313 | I think it's a chroot used by unbound |
| 20:00.41 | greycat | It might not be an actual security issue (packet multiplier). Maybe the attacker just spoofed the victim's IP address on a shitload of DNS requests, and your server replied. |
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| 20:00.57 | greycat | I only see 3 issues on https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-10197/Unbound.html and none of them look like a packet multiplier. |
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| 20:01.54 | Exagone313 | I don't understand why is this port exactly used. This is an established connection, because it would be blocked else by netfilter/iptables rules. |
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| 20:03.03 | Exagone313 | Is it not supposed to use a random port for each replies? |
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| 20:03.27 | greycat | I'm not familiar with TCP DNS, really. Most DNS queries are UDP. |
| 20:03.43 | Exagone313 | it's UDP |
| 20:04.21 | greycat | Well, your log snippet doesn't say anything that's useful to me. Maybe someone in #dns knows unbound in more detail. |
| 20:04.30 | Exagone313 | from the hosting service support: DDOS from IP (my ip) (attack ID ---): protocols : udp, targets: (target ip)/32, sports: 0, dports: 0, login: ---- |
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| 20:06.12 | boudiccas | fennesz, yes, but have a look at its home page and faq |
| 20:06.28 | fennesz | boudiccas, thank you ! |
| 20:06.37 | mxtm | when a cronjob is set up to run every 8 hours, will it run at 08:00, 16:00, 00:00, or will it run 8 hours from when it was last executed / added to the queue |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | mxtm: you have to show us what you put in the crontab entry |
| 20:07.13 | boudiccas | fennesz, you're welcome, i've been using it now for about 3 years at least, and I've had few problems with it |
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| 20:07.25 | mxtm | " */8 * * * root /sbin/snap -a >> /root/tarsnap/cron_snap.log |
| 20:07.34 | mxtm | whoops s/"/*/ |
| 20:07.44 | mxtm | erm no 0 |
| 20:07.45 | greycat | * */8 will run EVERY MINUTE |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | ... |
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| 20:07.50 | mxtm | yeah no it's 0 |
| 20:08.02 | greycat | 0 */8 will run at 00:00, 08:00 and 16:00 |
| 20:08.08 | Exagone313 | I tell the support to restart my server. If it ddos again they will erase the harddrive :( |
| 20:08.31 | mxtm | greycat, ergh, it looks like it didn't run then |
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| 20:10.31 | greycat | check /var/log/syslog to see if CRON has any output there |
| 20:10.41 | greycat | Oct 12 16:10:01 wooledg CRON[3904]: (wooledg) CMD (echo hi) |
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| 20:11.10 | mxtm | Oct 12 16:00:01 wardi CRON[11439]: (root) CMD (/sbin/snap -a >> /root/tarsnap/cron_snap.log) |
| 20:11.22 | greycat | sounds like it ran |
| 20:11.28 | greycat | or tried to |
| 20:11.40 | mxtm | yeah, definitely doesn't look like there is a snap created though |
| 20:11.43 | mxtm | and the file with output is empty |
| 20:11.51 | greycat | Does the directory /root/tarsnap/ exist? |
| 20:11.53 | mxtm | i don't see the process in top either so it finished |
| 20:11.54 | mxtm | yes |
| 20:12.08 | greycat | Oh, the file was opened successfully (time stamp is updated?) but there's no output? |
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| 20:12.55 | mxtm | yeah, it should have backed up and then put the output of the backup action in that log file |
| 20:13.12 | greycat | Err... technically it opens the log file first, THEN runs snap (whatever that is). |
| 20:13.31 | greycat | If snap produces no output, the file's time stamp may not even be updated. I'd have to check that. |
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| 20:13.51 | markybob | mxtm, and if you run it manually, using the exact same command in cron...does it add anything to the file? |
| 20:13.56 | greycat | Ah, right. Open for append and write nothing does NOT update the mtime. |
| 20:14.04 | greycat | You have to actually write something to update the mtime. |
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| 20:14.24 | mxtm | greycat, i don't really care about the mtime only that the backing up is done and that the stdout from that goes to the log |
| 20:14.29 | mxtm | markybob, lemme check |
| 20:14.40 | greycat | All you know right now is that "snap -a" produced no output. |
| 20:14.51 | greycat | You'll have to read the documentation on snap to find out why. |
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| 20:15.09 | mxtm | well, "snap" is just a wrapper for tarsnap in bash by jasonwryan |
| 20:15.33 | greycat | and I'm supposed to know what tarsnap is...? |
| 20:15.46 | markybob | i don't have a clue |
| 20:15.52 | mxtm | greycat, no, it's a backup service, sorry |
| 20:16.09 | mxtm | okay, so running the command doesn't actually write the output to the file |
| 20:16.14 | mxtm | but it does successfully back up |
| 20:16.17 | greycat | You'll have to read the documentation for this software/service to see how to increase verbosity or diagnose it post-mortem. |
| 20:16.34 | markybob | mxtm, so that's your problem, not cron. go get help from those snap people. |
| 20:16.40 | markybob | mxtm, we don't know what it is obviously |
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| 20:31.31 | pavlz | hi |
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| 20:31.58 | pavlz | actually i am using GNU/linux gNewSense 3.1 |
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| 20:33.00 | pavlz | on #fsf was told me today, that GNU/linux gNewSense is based on GNU/linux Debian Wheezy |
| 20:34.23 | t4nk125 | Hello, here I have a Debian 8.1 with Kernal 3.16, and I cannot connect to WIFI networks, the driver tried did not work. Getting ready to change operating systems soon if not fixed. |
| 20:34.26 | pavlz | which svga and which accelerated svga are supported by the linux kernel, using only "main", without the support for NON-free ? |
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| 20:35.02 | jubo2 | t4nk125: you prlly need the non-free firmware for the WiFi |
| 20:35.17 | jubo2 | but this is more a guess then an information |
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| 20:36.09 | markybob | t4nk125, you need to tell us what chipset and what you tried or we won't have any idea how to help you |
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| 20:36.14 | t4nk125 | I've installed the firmware for the chipset, or atleast I think I have |
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| 20:36.36 | t4nk125 | it is a broadcom BCM43142 |
| 20:36.42 | jubo2 | t4nk125: and you won't likely be changing OS, just flavour of OS |
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| 20:36.53 | markybob | t4nk125, and you tried what? |
| 20:37.00 | jubo2 | t4nk125: yeah.. I think all the BroadCom need the non-free repos |
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| 20:37.06 | jubo2 | or something like that |
| 20:37.13 | t4nk125 | I installed the package broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 20:38.25 | t4nk125 | and from that point all the wifi related utilities have shown up |
| 20:39.07 | t4nk125 | but it can't find any network connections (at least through networkmanager) |
| 20:39.19 | Atm0spher1c | t4nk125: did you reboot? Or restart networking? Do you have the correct password? |
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| 20:39.54 | jubo2 | Atm0spher1c: It is not a password.. It is a shared secret |
| 20:40.03 | t4nk125 | I've rebooted the system, but the issue is that no network shows up |
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| 20:40.29 | t4nk125 | even when I know there are live networks around which I know the password for |
| 20:40.44 | pavlz | 22:34 < pavlz> which svga and which accelerated svga are supported by the linux kernel, using only "main", without the support for NON-free ? |
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| 20:41.11 | greycat | A HUGE set. |
| 20:41.40 | greycat | Basically any hardware that's over a year old. |
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| 20:41.52 | greycat | But less than... oh, say 15 years old. |
| 20:42.23 | greycat | We get the occasional S3 ViRGE or i815 user here.... |
| 20:42.25 | pavlz | the better ones and for the sound cards too |
| 20:42.29 | Atm0spher1c | t4nk125: follow this please https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 20:43.10 | jubo2 | I calculated how much transport and end storage you need to dump raw data in 32-bit color @ 30 FPS @ 4K .. 17.1Mbit/s |
| 20:43.13 | Atm0spher1c | jubo2: thanks for the info. I'll still say "password" because normal people will not understand - "shared secret" |
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| 20:44.22 | t4nk125 | I've tried to follow that tutorial before, I'll try again though |
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| 20:44.29 | jubo2 | I think I want to study Radio/TV/studio tech |
| 20:44.59 | jubo2 | I mean this consumer grade crap is just consumer grade crap |
| 20:45.52 | jubo2 | proper encoding of video requires a non-time-restricted algo and all the time the algo feels like taking to achieve the task of encoding it smooth |
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| 20:48.12 | pavlz | on my toshiba laptop i got an nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M] (rev a1) |
| 20:48.50 | pavlz | and it works without any NON-free on my GNU/linux gNewSense 3.1 |
| 20:49.35 | greycat | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782461 shows a successful jessie install on a Go5200 |
| 20:49.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/782461 in installation-reports (open): «PPC - PowerBook G4 Jessie test install - successful»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-12; last modified: 2015-04-12. |
| 20:49.56 | t4nk125 | the problem seems to have been resolved, the wifi button was turned off -_- |
| 20:50.42 | ewew | t4nk125 That happend to me too. I mistaken bluetooth button for wifi. |
| 20:51.37 | greycat | http://mepiscommunity.org/wiki/hardware/unsupported-nvidia-gpus says the Go5200 is supported by the nouveau driver but NOT by the proprietary drivers |
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| 20:52.50 | pavlz | here in Italy, our government would to put the tax on power energy, so that people don't evade more taxes, by absenting pay fees RAI (Italian television) for RAI; RAI2; RAI3, the first three television channels of the State. |
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| 20:53.34 | pavlz | arrived to these |
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| 20:55.32 | pavlz | fascist impositions, i thinked that i need an LCD screen, and a good computer to connect to the net, to watch in streaming everything, without the need of any tv tuner inside it. |
| 20:56.31 | pavlz | it is just for this, that i want to mount a computer with the better svga, with an accelerated svga and with a good sound card |
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| 20:57.18 | pavlz | all fine supported by GNU/linux, using only main, and without any support to NON-free |
| 21:00.03 | pavlz | i never had a TV, my mother had it, then 6 years and half, my mother is dead of cancer, and i putted the TV in the trash. i have not a TV from 6 years and half, and my mother always paid the tax for the TV, i got only the computer, no else |
| 21:00.22 | pavlz | now i want to do a better computer |
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| 21:00.53 | markybob | uh |
| 21:01.03 | greycat | This is possibly a bit more detail than we needed. |
| 21:01.19 | pavlz | can you suggest me such svga, and accelerated svga and a good sound card which don't require NON-free ? |
| 21:01.26 | greycat | Anything 1-2 years old. |
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| 21:02.24 | pavlz | between ATI and nVidia ho decided to release the drivers for the linux kernel ? |
| 21:03.52 | pavlz | my last laptop was built in 2002 |
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| 21:07.39 | jelly | pavlz: neither -- ati has a horrible history of driver quality for linux both free and non-free, and nvidia is a hit and miss with nouveau, a card may be supported but the free driver might not survive a week of uptime and half a dozen suspend/resume cycles. non-free driver often more stable. |
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| 21:08.14 | jelly | pavlz: between ati and nvidia, pick intel if you require free drivers AND reasonable stability |
| 21:08.38 | pavlz | good |
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| 21:09.28 | jelly | and not too old intel, either, sandybridge or ivy bridge or _maybe_ haswell. Very latest won't be supported too well in debian, either |
| 21:09.48 | greycat | "Very latest" anything is always a bad idea. |
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| 21:10.39 | jelly | well, debian has backported video-intel and kernel for the unlucky soul that bought the latest |
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| 21:13.00 | pavlz | which ones of intel ? |
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| 21:14.16 | jelly | pavlz: I just wrote which generations of intel I'd expect to work well |
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| 21:16.13 | jhutchins | jelly: How do you tell the name of your chipset? |
| 21:16.44 | jelly | jhutchins: for the cpu/gpu, ark.intel.com |
| 21:16.57 | greycat | apparently has a "VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display [8086:0f31] (rev 0e)" |
| 21:17.00 | jelly | (or JFGI) |
| 21:17.14 | pavlz | intel is the factory, the model of the the svga |
| 21:17.32 | jelly | pavlz: they don't have discrete cards, only cpu+gpu |
| 21:17.43 | greycat | It's built into your motherboard. |
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| 21:18.10 | jhutchins | One does not see Intel graphics with AMD CPUs. |
| 21:18.13 | jelly | into the CPU, but yeah |
| 21:18.39 | Leoneof | intel graphics inside cpu? |
| 21:18.44 | markybob | yes |
| 21:18.55 | Leoneof | O_o |
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| 21:22.49 | JohnA | I cannot seem to get kexec to work Issued cmd "kexec -l vmlunuz-4.2.0-1.amd64 --initrd=init.img-4.2.0-1-amd64" then "kexec -e" and the system just hung! |
| 21:24.04 | JohnA | I also tried it with and without the option --reuse-cmdline |
| 21:24.10 | pavlz | Intel i5-2500K (HD3000 graphics) |
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| 21:25.46 | jelly | pavlz: that's sandybridge, good enough |
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| 21:29.56 | earthian | Hello, what is the support of 3D video on GNU/Linux with Intel chips? I can't find any statement on Google where I get "3D graphics" results instead, but not Video - I plan in building a home cinema system with a 3D-capable projector and Jessie udner the bonnet.. :) |
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| 21:38.54 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 21:40.24 | pavlz | earthian, a beatiful query |
| 21:41.17 | marioxcc | I will install Debian 8 from my hard disk on LVM keeping a logical volume intact (I'm using Debian 7 and I will leave its LV for the immediate future after I install Debian 8). I want to put "apt-trasnport-https" in the LV to be kept so as to be able to install it with Debian 8 and fetch packages using HTTPS since the first time (instead of first using unecrypted HTTP to install apt-transport-https and switching to https afterwards). How can it be |
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| 21:42.15 | earthian | pavlz, I see on Intel website something like " |
| 21:42.15 | earthian | Intel® InTru⢠3D Technology" for Windows (7-10), but I am wondering if there is anything for Linux too... Maybe I need to look into a different chipset? |
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| 21:49.30 | thom545 | Hi need some help making a custom debian cd |
| 21:49.47 | thom545 | w/ build-simple-cdd |
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| 21:50.28 | thom545 | I have to add a firmware file to the installed system, I have it and know where it needs to go but the method I have is vague from the howto |
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| 21:50.59 | thom545 | Add custom files onto your installer CD |
| 21:51.00 | thom545 | To copy an arbitrary file into the /simple-cdd directory on the CD, add the following to your .conf file: |
| 21:51.00 | thom545 | all_extras="$all_extras $simple_cdd_dir/profiles/custom-file" |
| 21:51.01 | thom545 | Where profiles/custom-file is a file in your custom simple-cdd directory. |
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| 21:52.12 | thom540 | well i'm back kicked :< |
| 21:52.23 | thom540 | but the above ^ any help ? |
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| 21:53.27 | markybob | thom540, try #debian-blends on irc.debian.org |
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| 22:02.45 | marioxcc | Hi. I want to install Debian 8 from my hard disk, while keeping a LVM logical volume. I want to store apt-transport-https so as to be able to use HTTPS to download packages from the first time (instead of having to first download apt-transport-https through HTTP and subsequently use HTTPS). Apparently, I can download the package (.deb) of apt-transport-https and install it with "dpkg -i", but it also seems like "dpkg -i" won't take dependencies in |
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| 22:04.50 | g00se | finds it funny that the only time a ssh client seems to disconnect cleanly after halting the server is on raspbian |
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| 22:12.58 | CryptoSiD | in ubuntu i can do "apt full-upgrade" so it also upgrade the kernel etc. what would be the equivalent in debian? |
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| 22:14.38 | marioxcc | CryptoSiD: "apt-get dist-upgrade" is the recommended command to upgrade to the next major release. Maybe that is what you are looking for. |
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| 22:19.37 | squinty | CryptoSiD, apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade kernel (will not upgrade to another release version unless the sources are also changed) |
| 22:19.50 | CryptoSiD | look like the apt command exist in jessie |
| 22:19.53 | CryptoSiD | but not in wheezy |
| 22:19.57 | CryptoSiD | /usr/bin/apt |
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| 22:23.32 | RoyK | CryptoSiD: apt-get, not apt |
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| 22:24.05 | CryptoSiD | apt does exist in jessie |
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| 22:24.11 | Hydroxide | /usr/bin/apt is a new front end, yes |
| 22:24.13 | Hydroxide | it exists |
| 22:24.33 | Hydroxide | but apt-get hasn't gone away yet and probably won't any time soon. |
| 22:24.46 | CryptoSiD | yeah i know:) |
| 22:24.59 | CryptoSiD | was just wondering why i could use apt in ubuntu but not in debian |
| 22:25.25 | Hydroxide | CryptoSiD: and that's the answer - it's just a matter of which version of each distro released with which version of apt (i.e. had /usr/bin/apt been added to the package yet or not) |
| 22:25.31 | squinty | .v apt |
| 22:25.39 | Hydroxide | older ubuntu and older debian don't have it, newer ubuntu and newer ubuntu do. |
| 22:26.09 | RoyK | (and newer debian) ;) |
| 22:26.12 | Hydroxide | *newer ubuntu and newer debian, yes |
| 22:26.14 | Hydroxide | just saw my typo :) |
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| 22:26.56 | squinty | !apt |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 22:27.02 | RoyK | does apt do anything magical compared to apt-get? |
| 22:27.44 | Hydroxide | RoyK: nothing magical. I think it's just an attempt to unify some of the tools - e.g. whether to use apt-get vs apt-cache can be confusing - and generally improve the user experience |
| 22:27.51 | Hydroxide | RoyK: I think it also adds some color, as another difference |
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| 22:28.13 | RoyK | likes colours :D |
| 22:28.45 | Hydroxide | RoyK: feel free to try it then :) the usual docs (man pages and built-in help) will tell you how to use it |
| 22:29.01 | RoyK | been wasting most of the day watching Magnus Carlsen beat the shit out of mostly everyone else in chess |
| 22:29.22 | RoyK | (and yesterday, and the day before) |
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| 22:31.10 | MrMonkey31 | yeah. nobody wields a rook piece quite like Magnus... 8} |
| 22:32.07 | MrMonkey31 | can't resist mocking anything that doesn't have a banana component |
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| 22:32.23 | Hydroxide | MrMonkey31: I have some banana mousse chilling in the refrigerator. |
| 22:34.55 | MrMonkey31 | Hydroxide, you drone that over to me, I'll pay you a frigging mint in old lira </OT> |
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| 22:36.09 | Hydroxide | MrMonkey31: heh. yeah we shouldn't keep talking OT for more than a couple of lines. easy recipes though on the internet, you can probably make it without a problem. |
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| 23:00.17 | himuraken | Hi all, i've got a freshly loaded Dell R610 running Deb7-64bit and an R510 running Deb8-64bit. Both systems have an intel X540 10GbE card connected to a managed HP Procurve switch. Both machines showing frame errors that increment every second/moment. Anyone seen this? |
| 23:00.24 | himuraken | Google has been less than helpful. |
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| 23:02.02 | Hydroxide | himuraken: first thing to do is ensure you're up to date on all the firmware offered by Dell and your other hardware vendors. also might want to see if one of the debian firmware packages includes stuff for your NIC, and possibly try a newer kernel and/or newer firmware package |
| 23:02.32 | himuraken | full up to date on everything dell/debian. The deb installer for both included the intel driver. |
| 23:03.25 | himuraken | Other idea? Or a way to check for newer driver on jessie? |
| 23:03.30 | himuraken | Im fully apt-get'd |
| 23:03.32 | Hydroxide | himuraken: yeah I mean you might want newer kernel or firmware packages than debian 8 shipped with (and certainly newer than debian 7) potentially, e.g. via jessie-backports |
| 23:03.46 | Hydroxide | or by grabbing the kernel + firmware packages from sid or experimental or similar |
| 23:04.03 | himuraken | K thanks! |
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| 23:07.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can I create some sort of repository that overrides certain packages in a way that one can debootstrap from it? |
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| 23:12.00 | owen1 | netstat -tunap shows me port 80 is used - tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN - how do i find the program using it? |
| 23:12.11 | hawaii | lsof -i :80 |
| 23:14.13 | owen1 | hawaii: thanks! i see no output |
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| 23:19.19 | CryptoSiD | i just updated from wheezy to jessie |
| 23:19.22 | CryptoSiD | sshd wont start |
| 23:19.37 | CryptoSiD | if i do, service ssh restart |
| 23:19.41 | CryptoSiD | it just get stuck there forever |
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| 23:20.19 | somiaj | CryptoSiD: systemctl status ssh.service |
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| 23:20.44 | somiaj | CryptoSiD: note unless you did something to prevent the switch you that upgraded switched from sysvinit to systemd |
| 23:21.07 | CryptoSiD | yes it did |
| 23:21.07 | CryptoSiD | sec |
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| 23:21.20 | CryptoSiD | gotta reboot tryed to reinstall openssh-server and it got stuck |
| 23:21.22 | CryptoSiD | couldnt even ctrl+c |
| 23:21.51 | CryptoSiD | it say |
| 23:22.14 | CryptoSiD | loaded: file.... |
| 23:22.20 | CryptoSiD | active: inactive (dead) |
| 23:22.52 | bagbobilgins | try coming up with a cohesive thought, CryptoSiD, instead of just hitting return periodically |
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| 23:23.33 | CryptoSiD | i cant copy from that console. |
| 23:23.57 | CryptoSiD | I have no idea why sshd wont start. |
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| 23:24.05 | abrotman | anything special about your sshd_config? |
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| 23:24.23 | CryptoSiD | just checked seems ok |
| 23:25.10 | abrotman | not really what I asked |
| 23:25.59 | CryptoSiD | nothing special not, and if i do, apt-get install --reinstall openssh-server, it freeze at setting up openssh-server |
| 23:26.05 | CryptoSiD | never end |
| 23:27.15 | abrotman | maybe you don't have enough entropy? |
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| 23:29.40 | CryptoSiD | no idea, will check that later gotta leave to work |
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| 23:35.56 | RoyK | CryptoSiD: sounds like i/o hanging |
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