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| 00:49.50 | simonpatapon | Hi |
| 00:50.02 | RoyK | ho |
| 00:50.13 | simonpatapon | what do you think of 128mb VPS for email server? 1 domain 5 users? |
| 00:50.36 | RoyK | 120millibits? |
| 00:50.43 | simonpatapon | ram |
| 00:50.43 | RoyK | seems a bit on the low side |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | simonpatapon: depends on the actual volume of messages, notnumber of users |
| 00:51.08 | simonpatapon | very lo max 50 per day |
| 00:51.10 | RoyK | simonpatapon: guess you meant megabytes ;) |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | it'd be fine |
| 00:51.20 | simonpatapon | thx |
| 00:51.25 | RoyK | simonpatapon: what sort of email system? |
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| 00:59.13 | simonpatapon | IDK |
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| 01:02.38 | RoyK | simonpatapon: you better find out - dovecot is a very light one and usually preferred, while other systems might be heavier |
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| 01:03.03 | abrotman | eh, I owuldn't call Dovecot preferred for an MTA |
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| 01:03.21 | abrotman | and you can get several in 128MB |
| 01:03.32 | RoyK | simonpatapon: there are systems like zimbra that are nice, but it won't work unless you have at least 2GB of memory |
| 01:03.43 | RoyK | abrotman: then what? cyrus? |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | RoyK: he didn't say POP or IMAP |
| 01:04.17 | FI_OpwK | sup |
| 01:04.17 | RoyK | abrotman: AFAICS he meant that as in number of users |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | why? |
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| 01:04.35 | abrotman | regardless, 128MB is enough to run Postfix and Dovecot |
| 01:04.47 | RoyK | abrotman: because mostly you won't need a separate MTA alone :P |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | RoyK: that doesn't make sense .. but guess that's par |
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| 01:23.45 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys! |
| 01:23.49 | maazu | lo |
| 01:24.07 | dimitry7 | I want to know if it is possible to do a fsck on reboot with specific options?? like -D for example |
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| 01:30.51 | rhizome | hey all. i need to reset my libav/ffmpeg situation, but removing these kinds of things can involve a lot of dependencies. is there an easier way than "manually" to track this kind of thing, or to only replace the underlying libav/ffmpeg packages? |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | you can reinstall them |
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| 01:32.42 | rhizome | i've really got a hodgepodge |
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| 01:33.39 | rhizome | and the main thing is getting all of the OOB ffmpeg out, i just figured scratching libav in the process might be fine |
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| 01:42.11 | rhizome | can't play mp3s right now |
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| 01:52.54 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys! |
| 01:52.55 | dimitry7 | I want to know if it is possible to do a fsck on reboot with specific options?? like -D for example |
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| 02:15.35 | Jaga-Jaga | why does my network manager not seeing my wireless card./ ? it says "devide not managed" |
| 02:16.01 | brian|lfs | did you install firmware |
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| 02:18.24 | drpresident | hey does anyone know how to add a link to a program to the menu in gnome? |
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| 02:21.05 | FI_OpwK | drpresident: you like adding a program to the menu? |
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| 02:22.38 | FI_OpwK | drpresident: what DE are you running on Debian? |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | Gnome .. he sai |
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| 02:24.51 | abrotman | said |
| 02:26.24 | bagbobilgins | drpresident: add a *.desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications/ |
| 02:26.32 | FI_OpwK | yeah, abrotman: I just realized that... |
| 02:26.39 | bagbobilgins | there should be some there already to model it upon |
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| 02:26.54 | dvs | Jaga-Jag1: "Device not managed" usually means that the wireless device is mentioned in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 02:48.52 | simonpatapon | drpresident: i use alacarte |
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| 02:57.11 | tharkun | I need to tag several thousand mp3, flac and ogg files with the id3 tags. What would be my weapon of choice if I where to get the information from several cue files? |
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| 02:58.06 | polyphagia | awk and ffmpeg |
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| 02:58.26 | tharkun | ffmpeg is deprecatedt IIRC |
| 02:58.29 | polyphagia | no |
| 02:58.38 | polyphagia | it was originally to be replaced by avconv fork |
| 02:58.42 | polyphagia | but now it's back in |
| 02:58.58 | tharkun | judd versions ffmpeg |
| 02:58.59 | polyphagia | ffmpeg will work with all of those formats using the same syntax |
| 02:58.59 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-1; stretch: 7:2.8-1; sid: 7:2.8-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.4-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.8-dmo2 |
| 02:59.08 | polyphagia | using the correct headers on each |
| 02:59.13 | polyphagia | but with same command |
| 03:00.00 | hawaii | Both will work, use either. |
| 03:01.40 | polyphagia | yeah you can use avconv if you want to |
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| 03:02.40 | tharkun | hmm I need jessie-multimedia repo for ffmpeg. I'll poke with avconv but I was looking with a really simple way of tagging. (Without scripting my self out) |
| 03:02.57 | tharkun | s/with/for/ |
| 03:03.03 | hawaii | You will have to script it, or find a tool that already does it -- there are numerous. |
| 03:03.19 | tharkun | hawaii: I've yet to find one. |
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| 03:04.27 | tharkun | I used to have a script that use cuetag and after that it renamed according to the cue file but it got lost with my hdd. |
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| 03:05.38 | polyphagia | well ffmpeg isn't hard as far as scripting goes |
| 03:05.56 | polyphagia | so if you could find a way to extract the data easily you should be fine |
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| 03:06.26 | tharkun | cueprint is the tool for it. |
| 03:07.36 | polyphagia | yeah |
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| 03:08.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen. Thanks for the help time to go back to work :) |
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| 03:42.59 | joshumax | I think apt may be slightly overestimating my internet connection speed |
| 03:43.02 | joshumax | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12770468/ |
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| 03:45.16 | bagbobilgins | yep, seen it quoting PetaByte speeds many a time |
| 03:45.39 | markybob | joshumax, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 03:46.10 | joshumax | Oddly enough nvidia stores the Debian version of cuda in that directory as well |
| 03:46.40 | markybob | and you felt the need to use ubuntu pastebin as well |
| 03:47.12 | joshumax | It's on my IRC client hotbar |
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| 03:47.26 | joshumax | ALthough I still have some bad habits from sethj |
| 03:49.04 | joshumax | Oh boy... great, now I'm using a tainted kernel |
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| 03:49.28 | BenLue | i get an activation link in /var/mail/root but when i try open it, i get an Error, its possible i have an utf8 problem? |
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| 03:50.11 | BenLue | thats an confirmation link |
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| 05:02.12 | dynek | hey - has anyone already noticed uefi/grub not booting when fast boot in bios is enabled ? |
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| 05:02.47 | dynek | I was having issue with vmlinuz/initrd not going ahead and as soon as I disabled fast boot it started booting as expected |
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| 05:15.33 | dynek | ok so for the record, I now read everywhere that fast boot/startup should be disabled for Linux to boot. Guess it has something to do with this hibernation file being used to boot. |
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| 05:55.06 | bill_lx | have jessie - upgraded kernel using synaptic to 4.1 - after grub get 'loading ramdisk ....' then black screen. used jessie-backport to get kernel. any help on why |
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| 05:58.12 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:59.03 | natter | darxmurf, How are you? |
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| 06:43.46 | dboy17 | Hey. I did a debian-based remaster (chroot) of an iso live cd. with xfce-desktop. putting scripts in /home/myusername/.xinitrc.d/ autostart scripts work fine... exect a script that does "setxkbmap de".... the keyboard is still en/us... any idea? |
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| 07:16.22 | chele | Hi there, I am using netinstall iso image and I wanted to install my system without gui. In the past I remember that you could choose (when installing wheezy) the graphical environment if you choose advanced install in the installer. Was the next step expert or automated (options from jessie installer)? |
| 07:16.38 | lubarch | how to setup ricoh sp111 laser printer ? |
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| 07:33.03 | julius___ | hi |
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| 07:33.26 | julius___ | just installed ntpd, will the defaults set the local clock automatically? |
| 07:33.34 | julius___ | i mean, check if every x seconds...and adjust? |
| 07:34.12 | pfote | if the clock is not to far off, yes |
| 07:35.00 | pfote | if that happens, adjust with ntpdate first |
| 07:36.16 | julius___ | then 4 minutes will probably be to far |
| 07:36.24 | julius___ | why does it not adjust when "too far" off? |
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| 07:38.16 | detha | julius___: because ntpd only slews time, it doesn't step it. Too far off, and it would take too long to adjust |
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| 07:39.17 | detha | but ntpd should normally be started with -g (panic-gate), so it can initially step once |
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| 07:44.10 | julius___ | ok thx |
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| 07:48.53 | lubarch | what is initramfs ? what it does? |
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| 07:52.43 | jelly | lubarch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd has an explanation (initrd was previously used for same purposes) |
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| 08:08.59 | superrorc | Why iptables -L doesnt show any rules? i have got 100% atleast 2 for out and inp |
| 08:09.28 | superrorc | Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) |
| 08:09.44 | superrorc | iptables v1.4.21 |
| 08:10.00 | chele | Are you running it as root? |
| 08:10.12 | superrorc | root@proxy:~# iptables -L |
| 08:10.33 | Slydder | hey all. |
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| 08:11.25 | superrorc | # service iptables status - Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) |
| 08:11.42 | Slydder | I have am in need of passing a route from a dhcp server based on the mac address. unfortunately "option routers" does not work in a host declaration. does anyone here know how to do this? |
| 08:11.45 | superrorc | but my rules works |
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| 08:24.12 | bezaban | slydder: you might need to set the dhcp options on the client to accept routes |
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| 08:24.47 | bezaban | pretty sure I've used option routers in host declarations, but then only for default gw |
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| 08:31.25 | lubarch | thanx jelly |
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| 08:42.09 | Iridos | mmh, this seems obvious in retrospect... but... there isn't an option to encrypt/decrypt with tar like -z or -j for compression? |
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| 08:43.31 | Iridos | I mean... yes, obviously you easily make something |
| 08:44.10 | Iridos | but then you'd have to give someone else a whole recipe |
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| 08:45.22 | Iridos | oh well |
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| 09:41.51 | deepy | I have postfix on a natted server and a non-natted server, I don't suppose there's any simple way to get the non-natted one to send things to the natted one? |
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| 09:56.00 | Iridos | deepy, you can always/usually map certain ports to one specific machine inside the NAT. |
| 09:56.03 | ewew | Hello |
| 09:56.03 | ewew | Is there a limit on mounted partitions in initrd boot stage ? |
| 09:56.33 | deepy | That's unavailable to me :-( |
| 09:56.55 | ewew | deepy Can you use ssh forwarding ? |
| 09:57.23 | deepy | Nope, not reliable enough |
| 09:57.59 | ewew | deepy I meant ssh -L. |
| 09:58.23 | deepy | That is not reliable enough |
| 09:59.06 | ewew | deepy Then connect it with cable directly. :) |
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| 09:59.19 | deepy | Different locations :-( |
| 10:00.13 | ewew | deepy How someone can prevent you to add a cron job that will watch ssh connection. You can also set keepalive in ssh. |
| 10:00.42 | deepy | I'll probably just set up a vpn |
| 10:02.26 | Iridos | ewew, that's a weird question |
| 10:03.05 | Iridos | I can come up with the easy wise-ass answer, that there is probably *some* limit :P |
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| 10:03.33 | Iridos | but usually, you don't mount anything at all (except the ramdisk) in that state, no? |
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| 10:04.08 | ewew | Its because /usr is needed for systemd on boot. |
| 10:04.22 | shneh | I am installing debian on a personal laptop. During installation, it asks for Domain name. Can I leave it blank or should I write 'localdomain'? Or something else? |
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| 10:04.50 | ewew | shneh Did you read what the installer is asking ? |
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| 10:07.14 | shneh | ewew: I did read it. I don't know what other computers in my network are using. |
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| 10:07.56 | shneh | also, I take my laptop to many places, and don't know if it makes problems if those places use some domain name and I use a different one |
| 10:08.09 | shneh | so I thought 'localdomain' is the solution, according to internet web searches |
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| 10:10.52 | WakiMiko | how do i get the source for https://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-4.3.0-rc4-amd64 using apt? "apt-get source -t experimental linux-image-4.3.0-rc4-amd64" fails with "E: Can not find version '4.3~rc4-1~exp1' of package 'linux-image-4.3.0-rc4-amd64'" |
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| 10:28.52 | jelly | WakiMiko: the source package is called just "linux". What's the purpose for getting source? |
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| 10:31.38 | WakiMiko | well it applies all the debian patches and i want to change a few config parameters, but otherwise keep the debian defaults |
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| 10:31.58 | WakiMiko | getting "linux" gives me kernel 4.2.3 |
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| 10:32.11 | WakiMiko | i need 4.3 though |
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| 10:35.53 | jamesc | i have vde_wsitch in rc.local but it never runs upon bootup. |
| 10:36.08 | jamesc | ^vde_switch i mean |
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| 10:47.46 | x86_64 | hello |
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| 10:48.30 | x86_64 | can i use UTF-8 characters in my hostname |
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| 10:49.04 | x86_64 | like: hostnamectl sethostname Smörgås |
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| 10:52.41 | jelly | x86_64: nope |
| 10:53.03 | jelly | use characters allowed for DNS |
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| 10:53.33 | x86_64 | yum |
| 10:53.35 | x86_64 | eats jelly |
| 10:53.43 | jelly | also, I'm not sure debian 8 uses hostnamectl at all |
| 10:53.51 | jelly | !hostname |
| 10:53.51 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 10:54.06 | x86_64 | jelly, the documentation for linode said that |
| 10:54.34 | jelly | I have no idea what changes linode introduced in their installation, sorry |
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| 10:54.58 | x86_64 | jelly, they probably didn´t and they shouldn´t. |
| 10:55.17 | x86_64 | i want debian 8, i get debian 8 |
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| 11:00.26 | jelly | x86_64: note that the wiki page says absolutely nothing about hostnamectl |
| 11:01.02 | x86_64 | jelly, what wiki? linode wiki or debian wiki? |
| 11:02.02 | jelly | debian wiki |
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| 11:15.51 | dboy17 | remastering debian(xfce) I try to use "setxkbmap de" in autostart folder /home/username/.xinitrc.d/ Does not work. Executing the scrit manually works. Also every other script in this folder. What could be the reason? |
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| 11:16.46 | x86_64 | jelly, https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started#arch--centos-7--debian-8--fedora-version-18-and-above--ubuntu-1504 |
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| 11:17.38 | ewew | x86_64 What version are you using ? |
| 11:18.06 | x86_64 | ewew, 8.1 |
| 11:18.54 | ewew | x86_64 I think in debian 8 is this done by /etc/hostname. If you want to use hostnamectl enable it with systemd. |
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| 11:20.31 | x86_64 | ewew, it seems 8.1 uses systemd in which can use hostnamectl |
| 11:20.34 | jelly | x86_64: looks too generic to be right |
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| 11:21.28 | jelly | I'd go with debian instructions on this one. Even their wheezy instructions are too short |
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| 11:22.57 | ewew | ok. it is enabled by default. |
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| 11:23.47 | ewew | But it is dual system. Some services still have /etc/init.d/ scripts. Maybe compatibility mode. |
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| 11:26.08 | ewew | jelly Any plans of removing /etc/hostname and replace it with hostnamectl. |
| 11:26.11 | ewew | ? |
| 11:26.44 | jelly | ewew: not a developer, here |
| 11:26.51 | ewew | jelly ok |
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| 11:28.22 | ewew | jelly Donk know, but why remove something so simple ? |
| 11:28.32 | Brigo | ewew, you can use hostnamectl |
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| 11:31.42 | ewew | Brigo Binaries are more sensitive to silent data corruption. |
| 11:32.06 | Brigo | ewew, you are right. |
| 11:33.08 | ewew | Brigo In script that was silently corrupted you will see weird character. |
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| 11:33.48 | jelly | ewew: sorry, remove what? |
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| 11:34.52 | Helion | ÐÐ°ÐºÐ¾Ð½ÐµÑ Ñо Ñ Ð´Ð¾Ð¼Ð°)) |
| 11:35.23 | ewew | jelly /etc/hostname and replace it with hostnamectl. |
| 11:35.45 | jelly | ewew: ask the systemd authors |
| 11:36.25 | ewew | jelly ok, but jumping around from channel to channel is not fun. |
| 11:36.26 | Helion | ÐопÑÐ¾Ñ Ð½Ð° заÑÑпкÑ, на пÑедÑдÑÑей оÑи гонÑл в наÑивнÑе игÑÑ, ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ñ Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ð³ÑиÑовал на jessie, игÑÑ Ð·Ð°Ð¿ÑÑкаÑÑ Ð°Ð½Ð°Ð»Ð¾Ð³Ð¸ÑнÑм ÑпоÑобом? |
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| 11:37.02 | jelly | !ru |
| 11:37.03 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 11:37.40 | Helion | dpkg, thanks) |
| 11:37.40 | dpkg | Helion: gern geschehen |
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| 11:51.29 | factor | Has anyone worked with the MT9p031 camera. I recompiled kernel with make-kpkg and installed it loads the module but no device is created. |
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| 11:56.14 | dboy17 | how can I make a script run by root? e.g. su && whoami |
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| 12:04.30 | Iridos | dboy17, what script do you want to run in what circumstance |
| 12:04.36 | Iridos | you can just do "su", then run the script |
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| 12:22.52 | danvey | dboy17, you will have to run the script while being logged in as root, can't see another way around it. |
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| 12:25.16 | Iridos | I'm not even sure the question as such makes sense |
| 12:26.17 | Iridos | I also don't have the patience to keep asking until it makes sense, so I'll now answer that this is the literal answer: su -c 'whoami' |
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| 12:41.55 | transhuman | hi sfdisk has dropped support of -H -S -D is there a way to get this functionality back ? |
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| 12:46.00 | cincho | Hello guys, I would like to help with the translation of Debian as I have found some errors on my language but... no clue on where to start :S. Any help with that? Thanks |
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| 12:47.34 | chribo | Hey guys, I can't install apt-transport-https - E: Package apt-transport-https cannot be found - any ideas? |
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| 12:51.45 | matthias11 | someone here has a Via C3 CPU/Board running Debian/jessie? I have the problem that openssl doesn't want to use the padlock module (openssl engine padlock shows that it is there and ACE would be used; openssl speed -engine padlock aes-256-cbc has a throughput way below what the padlock should be capable of) |
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| 13:01.19 | factor | If debian finds one video device can it find a second. |
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| 13:18.16 | jelly | factor: why wouldn't it, there can be more than one /dev/video* device |
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| 14:00.40 | creatorbe | :| |
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| 14:19.21 | wsky | ah no, my bad, somehow i had a kernel form the previous linux installed in .//boot |
| 14:19.42 | wsky | /boot |
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| 14:32.18 | ghoti | Need some help to understand how to solve a Makefile problem. I have a bunch of *.inc files and a template, and a script which merges the .inc files into the template. I want to define targets as the basename of the inc file. |
| 14:32.27 | ghoti | If I define "STUBS=one two three", I was thinking I'd specify a target, "all: $(STUBS).out", then "%.out:\n\t$(MERGE) $(@:.out=.inc) $@". But this doesn't work, because the $(STUBS).out doesn't expand into "one.out two.out three.out". |
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| 14:33.16 | ghoti | How do I do this? Can I even define targets dynamically? I'd also like to be able to `make one` or `make two` to re-merge a specific stub. |
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| 14:41.55 | ksk | hey guys. can i somehow call apt-get(aptitude) non-interactive so that it will always exit if it has any kind of questions (for kind of unattended upgrades where i dont expect changes, but "error out" otherwise) thanks! |
| 14:42.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | ksk: man apt-get |
| 14:42.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | --assume-yes |
| 14:42.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | (or --assume-no) |
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| 14:43.26 | petn-randall | ksk: First hit on Google: http://serverfault.com/questions/227190/how-do-i-ask-apt-get-to-skip-any-interactive-post-install-configuration-steps |
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| 14:44.55 | nitin_ | hey folks - i'm trying to install MS office on kali sana but getting error's any idea |
| 14:45.05 | nitin_ | office 10 it is |
| 14:45.13 | nitin_ | getting lib32 errors |
| 14:45.19 | bazhang | kali linux? |
| 14:45.24 | nitin_ | yep |
| 14:45.26 | nitin_ | sana |
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| 14:45.46 | bazhang | #kali-linux support there nitin_ |
| 14:45.54 | nitin_ | awesome...thank.s :) |
| 14:45.57 | bazhang | debian does not support kali |
| 14:46.03 | nitin_ | okees |
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| 14:51.34 | martinjungblut | has anyone tried simple-cdd as of lately? |
| 14:52.31 | markybob | martinjungblut, probably on irc.debian.org #debian-blends |
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| 14:52.51 | martinjungblut | ah yes, thank you! |
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| 14:56.06 | kitallisii | is there a way to change the uid of a user that I'm currently ssh'd through? |
| 14:56.24 | kitallisii | it says the process is being used by bash |
| 14:56.31 | ksk | petn-randall: but setting frontend to noninteractive and applying "-y" will make a package assume yes, and I dont want that, i want to abort the installation if config-changes (that would generate a dialog) occour |
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| 14:56.54 | kitallisii | so i start a new shell with root, and then it says it's being used by sshd |
| 14:57.38 | petn-randall | ksk: Let's step back a little; what are you ultimately trying to do? Install security update unattended? |
| 14:57.53 | petn-randall | *updates |
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| 14:58.21 | markybob | kitallisii, can't do it with logged in user |
| 14:58.35 | kitallisii | hmpf |
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| 14:59.32 | jelly | kitallisii: what are you actually trying to achieve with that? |
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| 15:02.35 | transhuman | what package provides /dev/mapper ? is it dm-crypt? |
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| 15:02.44 | transhuman | looking for loop files only not encryption |
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| 15:03.26 | jelly | transhuman: loopback is separate from dm, what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:05.00 | transhuman | create a loop back image |
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| 15:05.04 | transhuman | using a script |
| 15:05.16 | jelly | transhuman: use losetup |
| 15:05.31 | transhuman | thanks thats the one I couldnt remember |
| 15:05.56 | jelly | the devices will be /dev/loop0, /dev/loop1 etc not /dev/mapper/stuff |
| 15:06.43 | transhuman | thats not the package name..however it lead me to mount and loop-eas-utils is that correct |
| 15:07.39 | markybob | transhuman, yes. losetup is in mount package |
| 15:08.00 | jelly | transhuman: you already have the losetup command. |
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| 15:10.07 | transhuman | thnaks |
| 15:10.09 | transhuman | thanks |
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| 15:42.32 | Guest79218 | Hello, please let me know if this is the wrong channel. On DEB, if I do a manual apt-get install, network connects fine. If using a scripted apt-get install through ssh, I get "Cannot initiate the connection..." forum answers are not related. Thank you. |
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| 15:44.10 | cast | are you going through a http proxy? |
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| 15:45.02 | Guest79218 | Yes. I have to proxy through a server. If I unset the proxy, I get no internet. |
| 15:45.19 | Guest79218 | But the weird thing is manual works scripted doesn't |
| 15:45.50 | jelly | Guest79218: show the actual command you run and the full output. Put it all on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:47.56 | reber | hi all |
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| 15:48.31 | reber | maybe someone could help, i have no more the possibilty to open pdf documents on debian/iceweasel. any clues ? |
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| 15:49.06 | jordanm | Guest79218: is proxy done via http_proxy in ~/.bashrc? |
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| 15:49.09 | korhojoa | what'd you change |
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| 15:57.25 | jhutchins | Guest79218: Without full knowledge of your environment, I'd point out that a script probably doesn't have the path and environment variables that a live session does. |
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| 16:00.51 | Guest79218 | You guys are right. The script isn't picking up proxy and has to be set through script. |
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| 16:49.52 | dimitry7 | Hi guys |
| 16:50.33 | dimitry7 | I've just done 3 fsck's on reboot to a 1.5 TB filesystem and it finishes saying it's got 13.4% non-continuous files |
| 16:50.51 | dimitry7 | is that normal?? should I reinstall? This FS a week ago put itself as read-only. |
| 16:51.08 | jelly | dimitry7: do you have large files on it? |
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| 16:51.32 | dimitry7 | jelly, well, no, the largest is ... 200 Mb |
| 16:51.39 | Brigo | dimitry7, ext4? |
| 16:51.50 | jelly | dimitry7: how many files, and how much free space? |
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| 16:52.36 | jelly | dimitry7: some fragmentation is normal for a mature filesystem |
| 16:52.37 | dimitry7 | It's ext 3. Sorry, total is 1.8T, used: 653 G, and 1.1TB Available |
| 16:52.41 | dimitry7 | don't know how many files :S |
| 16:52.45 | jelly | dimitry7: df -i |
| 16:52.59 | jelly | it's normal for ext3, don't worry |
| 16:53.25 | dimitry7 | ok Iused= 2432548 |
| 16:53.36 | dimitry7 | jelly, ok so should I trust fsck and do not reinstall? |
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| 16:53.52 | petn-randall | dimitry7: non-continuous files are not a problem. Why would you want to reinstall? |
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| 16:54.41 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, oh because a week ago this same fs put itself as read-only |
| 16:54.48 | jelly | dimitry7: fsck is just reporting on the state of the filesystem. |
| 16:55.36 | jelly | dimitry7: this is not an error message, it's informational |
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| 16:56.20 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Then I'd research why that happened. The output of fsck you're showing (and you're not showing us the complete output) is not indicating any problems. |
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| 16:59.03 | dimitry7 | jelly, well, yes, actually the fist time I run fsck it corrected errors like this: http://i57.tinypic.com/14av401.png |
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| 17:00.02 | dimitry7 | and the last check didn't report any issues, does this assure me the fs isn't going to get again into read-only mode? |
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| 17:03.43 | dimitry7 | Besides, I run a hardware report (Dell DSET) and it didn't report any disk problems |
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| 17:24.30 | jelly | dimitry7: you'd have to look into the cause of that remount-ro, to answer that question |
| 17:24.41 | shawn | does anyone know why /usr/local/man is setgid ? |
| 17:25.16 | shawn | i am trying to install something with stow and stow complains about it not owning that directory |
| 17:25.25 | dimitry7 | jelly, how can I find out about that? |
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| 17:25.48 | shawn | so i was going to delete it but I know the folder that stow makes with it eventually unfolds that tree wont be setgid |
| 17:25.57 | shawn | i guess i should tias |
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| 17:26.46 | ewew | shawn I think this is a method how to bypass permisions for man. |
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| 17:27.55 | Iridos | shawn, on my system that's a soft-link anyway |
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| 17:28.05 | Iridos | shawn, /usr/local/man -> share/man |
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| 17:28.20 | Iridos | shawn, and that... drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff 4096 Sep 19 2012 /usr/local/man |
| 17:28.57 | dimitry7 | jelly, I want to make sure this doesn't happen again |
| 17:29.05 | Iridos | shawn, so I guess people in the group staff have write access to everything in /usr/local/... seems sensible. I you don't have people in a group "staff" writing//installing software there, you probably don't need to care? |
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| 17:29.07 | dimitry7 | jelly, a fsck is not enough?? |
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| 17:29.35 | shawn | Iridos: oh yeah i forgot about that. i'm in the group staff :) |
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| 17:29.43 | shawn | ok problem solved, just my old age i guess |
| 17:29.55 | zinx | shawn: setgid directories make any created files belong to the group of the directory |
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| 17:29.58 | shawn | or need moar coffee |
| 17:30.05 | shawn | yep |
| 17:30.14 | zinx | shawn: as for why /usr/local/man/ would need that, it probably doesn't :P |
| 17:30.32 | shawn | it doesnt apply if you copy a directory there though i just discovered |
| 17:30.37 | zinx | most distributions also remove the setuid bit from 'man' itself too, for hopefully obvious reasons |
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| 17:31.19 | zinx | shawn: yeah, it's only for created stuff. if you move something there, or copy w/ permissions, you get the file's original perms |
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| 17:31.39 | zinx | and nothing stops you from changing the group afterwards with chgrp, either |
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| 17:32.12 | zinx | (assuming you own the file) |
| 17:32.27 | zinx | and haven't implemented any ACLs or such, obviously :P |
| 17:33.16 | Iridos | all your file are belong to us |
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| 17:33.27 | jelly | dimitry7: fsck doesn't solve the cause, there might be an underlying issue that made that filesystem corrupted |
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| 17:34.06 | dimitry7 | jelly, God damn it... :S. I will reinstall then :S |
| 17:34.23 | zinx | reinstall won't fix underlying issues - do you know how it became corrupted? |
| 17:34.24 | jelly | dimitry7: why? |
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| 17:34.34 | jelly | dimitry7: that's not going to solve anything, either |
| 17:34.39 | zinx | if there were unexpected poweroffs, that could cause it. |
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| 17:35.17 | ewew | dimitry7 How old is that drive ? Any data from disks smart ? |
| 17:35.27 | zinx | otherwise, you need to check S.M.A.R.T. status for uncorrectable offline sectors, pending sectors. if those are clean, check RAM |
| 17:35.50 | dimitry7 | jelly, because the FS was into RO mode two times (two different days), now, I've run several fs checks and it seems stable. |
| 17:36.01 | dimitry7 | ewew, it's 2 years old |
| 17:36.16 | dimitry7 | zinx, no unexpected poweroffs |
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| 17:36.38 | zinx | note: SMART does not generally give a 'fail' status even when the drive is bad. if you have historical data on the drive, decreased speed, increased seek rate, and increased raw error rate are all good indicators of drive failure.. otherwise, look at offline uncorrectable / pending reallocations |
| 17:36.45 | dimitry7 | jelly, why do you think a reinstall wouldn't solve the problem? The hardware is Ok. |
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| 17:36.48 | jelly | dimitry7: do you have logs of remount-ro? |
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| 17:37.15 | zinx | dimitry7: if there were no unexpected poweroffs, and you've been using a stable filesystem, the hardware is probably not ok. |
| 17:37.42 | zinx | dimitry7: see above - don't rely on the smart status. read the actual values with smartctl -a |
| 17:37.49 | dimitry7 | amm, no. But I'm logged now, do you want me to run # mount -o remount / ? |
| 17:37.51 | zinx | dimitry7: failing that, check ram. |
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| 17:38.18 | zinx | dimitry7: no. Linux will remount filesystems read-only if there's an error, he's asking if it did that any |
| 17:38.19 | dimitry7 | zinx, ram? okay |
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| 17:39.38 | dimitry7 | zinx, sure it did, I'll try to look for logs in /var/log/messages |
| 17:39.41 | zinx | dimitry7: check smartctl -a first, you will see output like this: Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0 Seek_Error_Rate 0 Current_Pending_Sector 0 Offline_Uncorrectable 0 |
| 17:40.41 | dimitry7 | zinx, ok hold on |
| 17:40.46 | zinx | dimitry7: if any of those are non-zero, the drive is likely having problems. if current pending sector is non-zero, you need to find which sector is bad, figure out which file it belongs to, and force a reallocation, and also replace your drive ASAP |
| 17:41.08 | dimitry7 | zinx, all right |
| 17:41.08 | zinx | same goes for offline uncorrectable |
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| 17:41.49 | dimitry7 | ok ok |
| 17:41.54 | zinx | dimitry7: to be fair, ~10 reallocated sectors isn't too uncommon (sadly). i generally recommend zeroing a drive before first use and checking SMART values afterwards. |
| 17:42.01 | dimitry7 | ERROR: smartctl requires a device name as the final command-line argument. |
| 17:42.01 | ewew | zinx How much is bad for offline uncorrectable ? |
| 17:42.08 | zinx | ewew: 1 |
| 17:42.09 | ewew | 0000B |
| 17:42.18 | ewew | whops |
| 17:42.23 | zinx | ewew: you want to replace that drive if it has 11 :) |
| 17:42.41 | dimitry7 | zinx, is there a way I can run a scan? |
| 17:43.17 | zinx | ewew: offline uncorrectable is very serious, it means a sector that it once wrote supposedly properly is now so corrupted that it can't recover it by reading it multiple times and applying error correction codes |
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| 17:43.53 | ewew | What about Power off retract count ? |
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| 17:44.24 | zinx | dimitry7: you don't need to, but yes, you can do smartctl -t offline /dev/foo, but do be aware that you should do so while the drive is not being accessed, because accesses will cancel the scan (for some drives, temporarily, for others, they will not restart) |
| 17:44.33 | zinx | ewew: don't worry about that one. |
| 17:44.47 | ewew | Got WD black edittion |
| 17:44.48 | dimitry7 | zinx, Device does not support Self Test logging |
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| 17:45.06 | zinx | ewew: the ones i mentioned are the major ones you can check without having historical data |
| 17:46.15 | zinx | ewew: if you have historical data, the change in the following things can help: Raw_Read_Error_Rate Spin_Up_Time Seek_Error_Rate Spin_Retry_Count Calibration_Retry_Count |
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| 17:46.30 | zinx | ewew: there are some others the drive i'm checking doesn't have, related to time it takes to seek and whatnot |
| 17:47.03 | ewew | zinx Seagate had normal non-zero value in Raw Error Rate. |
| 17:47.24 | zinx | also, if you have any DMA errors those are due to cabling generally, not the drive or controller |
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| 17:47.39 | zinx | ewew: most drives have a non-zero value there |
| 17:47.47 | zinx | ewew: which is why i say only the change in it is useful |
| 17:47.58 | ewew | zinx ok |
| 17:48.43 | zinx | ewew: the units of raw read error rate are also not standardized :/ |
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| 17:49.56 | dimitry7 | I can do this zinx |
| 17:50.01 | dimitry7 | it wouldn't let me |
| 17:50.13 | zinx | dimitry7: some drives don't support it. |
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| 17:50.24 | dimitry7 | zinx, now what can I do? |
| 17:50.27 | zinx | dimitry7: but as i said, you don't need to run a test, just check the current values |
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| 17:50.58 | dimitry7 | zinx, yes, that's what it isn't allowing me to do |
| 17:51.08 | zinx | dimitry7: it won't let you use smartctl -a? |
| 17:51.30 | zinx | dimitry7: you may have SMART disabled in the BIOS. you can enable it and usually it will give you current values |
| 17:51.36 | dimitry7 | zinx, yeah |
| 17:51.47 | zinx | (because the drive keeps track of that stuff even with it disabled :/ ) |
| 17:51.54 | dimitry7 | SMART? |
| 17:52.03 | intelikey | sources.list / network / filter ... problem, apt-get update >>> W: Failed to fetch ftp://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages Unable to fetch file, server said "Failed to open file." |
| 17:52.26 | zinx | dimitry7: yes, it's the interface modern drives (anything for the past like 15 years or something) use to report health status |
| 17:52.50 | zinx | honestly i don't know why BIOSes ever had the option to disable it :/ |
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| 17:53.50 | dimitry7 | zinx, Well I use dell PERC as RAID controller, this reports the status of disks, if any disk had an error it would have found it no ? |
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| 17:54.04 | zinx | dimitry7: what RAID level are you using? |
| 17:54.08 | dimitry7 | zinx, 5 |
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| 17:54.27 | zinx | dimitry7: it should have reported and corrected, yes. there could be a bug in the RAID driver, or more likely in your RAM |
| 17:54.38 | zinx | dimitry7: if you're using ECC ram, that should have been reported in the kernel logs as well |
| 17:54.39 | dimitry7 | Ram? |
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| 17:54.58 | intelikey | is there a way to use ftp://security.debian.org or must it be http:// ? |
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| 17:55.10 | zinx | dimitry7: other option is processor problems, which isn't always reported |
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| 17:55.21 | zinx | dimitry7: but a ram test generally finds problems with the processor too. |
| 17:55.26 | nkuttler | intelikey: why would you want to use ftp? |
| 17:55.35 | intelikey | filter |
| 17:55.36 | dimitry7 | ram testing, with any special tool? |
| 17:55.53 | nkuttler | intelikey: have you just tried? haven't used ftp in ages.. |
| 17:56.06 | intelikey | sources.list / network / filter ... problem, apt-get update >>> W: Failed to fetch ftp://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages Unable to fetch file, server said "Failed to open file." |
| 17:56.07 | dimitry7 | zinx, ram testing, with any special tool? |
| 17:56.10 | jhutchins | Ftp was turned off on the Debian servers years ago. |
| 17:56.11 | zinx | dimitry7: memtest86+ or memtest86 in Debian, both will install to GRUB if you're using it - you should boot to that version |
| 17:56.26 | intelikey | nkuttler ^ that's with ftp:// |
| 17:56.46 | nkuttler | intelikey: well, the file does not exist |
| 17:57.10 | zinx | dimitry7: i believe memtest86+ still has better tests for modern processors. you can generally let it complete one full 'pass' (not test - there are a lot of those, and many don't detect errors) |
| 17:57.14 | intelikey | ok is that a problem on my end or theirs ? |
| 17:57.22 | dimitry7 | zinx, let me see if I have it |
| 17:57.25 | zinx | dimitry7: though some systems require multiple passes before the problem is detected |
| 17:57.32 | zinx | dimitry7: you can install it with apt-get |
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| 17:58.30 | JohnA | systemctl |
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| 17:58.59 | intelikey | nkuttler sources.list has >>> deb ftp://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free <<< and that's the only error from "apt-get update" not sure what i'm looking for. |
| 17:59.43 | jelly | ewew: it's not the number of offline uncorrectable sectors that screams buy a new disk NOW. It's when it increases over time. |
| 17:59.46 | dimitry7 | zinx, I don't have that option in boot menu |
| 17:59.48 | intelikey | jhutchins ah sorry. didn't see your post. |
| 17:59.57 | dimitry7 | zinx, just the kernels list |
| 17:59.58 | zinx | dimitry7: do you have the memtest86+ package installed? |
| 18:00.02 | JohnA | Anybody know anything about kexec? I have been trying to use it to reboot my systems, but the reboot often hangs! |
| 18:00.27 | intelikey | jhutchins and there are no mirrors with security + ftp ? |
| 18:00.39 | dimitry7 | zinx, nope |
| 18:00.47 | jelly | ewew: a simple power loss can generate one, and consumer disks have tolerances such that a single bad sector here and there isn't unusual |
| 18:00.59 | zinx | JohnA: some drivers don't shutdown/reinitialize properly. if they're modules, you can sometimes unload the module before using kexec and get it to work |
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| 18:01.42 | zinx | it's not uncommon to get a brand new drive, write zeros to it, and have a few reallocated sectors. |
| 18:01.53 | zinx | but if you have more than a few, it's time to seek a new drive :) |
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| 18:02.39 | zinx | jelly: fwiw, offline uncorrectable is pretty serious. reallocated sectors much less so, unless it's increasing or large |
| 18:02.53 | ewew | And if something is not working, dont torture your disk with tests. It will fail sonner. |
| 18:03.01 | JohnA | zinx: OK, looks as though I will have to do some digging. |
| 18:03.05 | zinx | jelly: offine uncorrectable should always have a reason.. poweroff during write is one |
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| 18:03.26 | zinx | ewew: yeah, the tests generally don't do much anyway. |
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| 18:03.32 | jelly | zinx: even if that reason is "had disks running at 40-45°C for a couple months" |
| 18:03.34 | jhutchins | Most on-disk controllers manage physical errors such that the user never sees them. If one or two visible errors pop up it's not bad, but if they keep popping up, and if they keep increasing it's time to have a new disk at hand. |
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| 18:04.29 | ewew | One time this happend to me. Testing failing disk is like push it over clif. |
| 18:04.31 | zinx | if you need it working /right now/, figure out the files the sectors affect, zero the sectors (aligned to 4k boundary, no matter what your drive says about its hardware sector size), then restore the files with known good copies |
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| 18:05.05 | zinx | then make a full backup of the drive, preferably using a linear copy with something like dd_rescue or myrescue :P |
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| 18:05.45 | zinx | you can rate limit it if you have temperature control issues, but i'd rather take care of the temperature problems myself. |
| 18:06.41 | zinx | jhutchins: yeah, most of the ones the user never sees are in Pending / Reallocated |
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| 18:06.48 | ewew | Lets wait for results. |
| 18:06.50 | intelikey | hmmm i get "E: GPG error: http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease: Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)" when i change to http://security. |
| 18:06.52 | zinx | jhutchins: offline uncorrectable implies lost data |
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| 18:07.40 | zinx | ewew: i always copy before any further testing/recovery, 'cause you're absolutely right, any activity can worsen the state of the disk |
| 18:08.28 | zinx | in dimitry7's case though, it's probably not very likely that the RAID isn't reporting failure, unless there's a driver issue w/ the raid controller |
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| 18:08.59 | intelikey | is something wrong with this sources.list line >>> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free <<< ? |
| 18:09.08 | zinx | processor / ram problems are far more likely for him :) |
| 18:09.42 | dimitry7 | zinx, :S, So I can't trust dell monitoring tools |
| 18:09.53 | s4ndm4n | intelikey: Looks good |
| 18:10.13 | s4ndm4n | intelikey: This might help. apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean |
| 18:10.18 | dimitry7 | im gonna enable SMART (if I can) |
| 18:10.31 | s4ndm4n | Re-run apt-get update after that |
| 18:10.54 | zinx | dimitry7: what do the monitoring tools do? it's hard to detect problems with the processor. you can detect RAM if it has ECC/EDC.. you may have that considering you have hardware raid, but your pc specs will mention it |
| 18:11.07 | zinx | dimitry7: i wouldn't worry with SMART if you have a raid controller in the way |
| 18:11.34 | intelikey | s4ndm4n why would dumping the cached packages and removing no longer needed dependancies help a package list issue ? |
| 18:11.40 | zinx | dimitry7: it should detect and correct any errors even if one of the drives is bad, and generally they'll report drive failure far sooner than consumer drives |
| 18:11.49 | dimitry7 | zinx, they detect any predictiv or corretable failire on the Disks or the Controller itself |
| 18:12.04 | zinx | dimitry7: so, check processor/ram with memtest86+ |
| 18:12.05 | dimitry7 | zinx, they also detect ram problems |
| 18:12.20 | dimitry7 | zinx, yes, I'll do it, do i need to reboot to test ram? |
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| 18:12.22 | dimitry7 | no right? |
| 18:12.32 | zinx | dimitry7: you should reboot to test it, into memtest86+ |
| 18:12.36 | dimitry7 | ok ok |
| 18:12.46 | zinx | dimitry7: technically you can test without rebooting, but it's much better to give the ram tester full control of the system |
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| 18:14.12 | zinx | dimitry7: it can find more problems and push the cpu harder |
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| 18:15.36 | dimitry7 | zinx, all right, let me do it |
| 18:16.01 | zinx | dimitry7: if you install it via apt-get, it should mention updating grub menus (assuming you use grub) and that it found memtest86+ |
| 18:16.03 | dimitry7 | zinx, what if there are no errors on the disks? |
| 18:16.18 | dimitry7 | should I trust the fs to continue working on it? |
| 18:16.20 | zinx | dimitry7: there are probably no errors on the disks, the raid stuff would be reporting them |
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| 18:16.33 | zinx | dimitry7: that doesn't mean the fs isn't corrupted, however. |
| 18:16.53 | zinx | dimitry7: i would be wary about writing to anything with that computer until you have figured out which component is bad |
| 18:16.54 | dimitry7 | zinx, so even though I find no errors, it'd be advisable to reinstall?? |
| 18:17.11 | zinx | dimitry7: no, if you find nothing, you need to keep searching. |
| 18:17.27 | dimitry7 | zinx, :S |
| 18:17.41 | zinx | dimitry7: next on my list would be a problem with the raid drivers not handling transfers correctly in software |
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| 18:18.26 | captex | gday all of you |
| 18:18.49 | zinx | dimitry7: if that's the case and your RAID controller can be run in a non-raid mode, i would use Linux's software raid |
| 18:18.56 | zinx | dimitry7: which will mean a re-install |
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| 18:19.09 | dimitry7 | zinx, okay, and... one last question |
| 18:19.11 | zinx | dimitry7: well, you can do it without re-installing but it'll be a heck of a lot easier with a re-install :P |
| 18:19.12 | captex | a guide to install and config nfs to share files |
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| 18:19.15 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I don't think smart can work on RAID - it needs to access the individual drives directly. |
| 18:19.24 | dimitry7 | how can I test the fs so that I make sure the problem is corrected before putting it again in production? |
| 18:19.42 | zinx | dimitry7: fsck and debsums |
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| 18:19.55 | dimitry7 | zinx, debsums, all right |
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| 18:20.01 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, are you sure? |
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| 18:20.20 | zinx | dimitry7: that will get all the system stuff, but not user stuff.. you'll have to make sure things like dbs and whatnot aren't corrupted yourself |
| 18:20.33 | jhutchins | dimitry7: No, you might still be able to access them if you're using software raid. |
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| 18:20.59 | zinx | dimitry7: he's sure, but smartctl does support some raid controllers. again, i think it's worthless to persue smart if you're using a hardware raid controller that hasn't reported problems |
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| 18:21.28 | zinx | dimitry7: the problems almost certainly somewhere other than the drives |
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| 18:21.35 | oo_miguel | I get: ] irq 23: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) |
| 18:21.43 | dimitry7 | hold on a sec |
| 18:21.46 | oo_miguel | and the systems becomes very slow.. |
| 18:22.02 | zinx | oo_miguel: did you try booting with the irqpoll option? |
| 18:22.05 | oo_miguel | I just checked that the SATA Controller AND USB Controller use this interrupt (irq23) |
| 18:22.18 | oo_miguel | according to lspci -vv. Is this not a problem? |
| 18:22.30 | oo_miguel | zinx: no I did not yet. |
| 18:22.34 | ewew | oo_miguel Vendor did not obey standards ? |
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| 18:22.44 | zinx | oo_miguel: no, but what is a problem is that something fired irq 23 and didn't handle it, that is, neither the SATA or the USB controller handled it. |
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| 18:23.18 | zinx | oo_miguel: and it's apparently firing it repeatedly until something does handle it :/ |
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| 18:24.31 | oo_miguel | irqpoll is just some workaround as I understnd, but will not fix the origin of my problem |
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| 18:25.08 | zinx | oo_miguel: yes. |
| 18:25.56 | oo_miguel | will it help me locate the source of the problem? |
| 18:26.16 | zinx | oo_miguel: no. if you have any hardware with drivers not loaded, load them.. that may fix it. |
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| 18:26.42 | oo_miguel | zinx: I am not aware of such hardware. |
| 18:26.45 | zinx | oo_miguel: if you have any hardware you can disable in the bios that's not supported or you don't want to load drivers for, disable it in the bios |
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| 18:27.21 | zinx | oo_miguel: apart from that, there's not really anything you can do. something's triggering the irq, and Linux can't figure out what it is because it has no driver for what's triggering it. |
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| 18:28.38 | zinx | oo_miguel: generally hardware doesn't fire irqs unless it's had a specific request to, so that this problem doesn't occur. you have some hardware that's violating some standard best practice :/ |
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| 18:32.34 | captex | qualcuno sa come scambiare file con nfs ??? |
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| 18:32.42 | oo_miguel | zinx: ok thank you very much for your explenations |
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| 18:32.49 | zinx | oo_miguel: np |
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| 18:32.57 | StephenLynx | hey, was the layout for http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org changes? |
| 18:33.00 | dimitry7 | zinx, somewhere other than the drives? like where? |
| 18:33.05 | StephenLynx | its more or less useless now. |
| 18:33.10 | StephenLynx | changed* |
| 18:33.23 | StephenLynx | it doesn't have the graphs anymore |
| 18:33.27 | zinx | dimitry7: cpu/ram, then raid driver, in that order. |
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| 18:33.42 | StephenLynx | and you can't select practically any comparison anymore |
| 18:33.51 | dimitry7 | zinx, perfect, I'll run a scan now witl Dell Lifecycle controller on those |
| 18:34.07 | zinx | dimitry7: hence why i recommend running memtest86+. you're probably not going to be able to easily diagnose raid driver problems, unless it's already known. |
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| 18:34.24 | dimitry7 | zinx, perfect, and debsums btw |
| 18:34.38 | zinx | dimitry7: it already completed a full pass? |
| 18:34.41 | dimitry7 | Yes, i will update the raid controller firmware actualluy |
| 18:34.44 | zinx | dimitry7: how much ram do you have in there? |
| 18:34.45 | dimitry7 | and then run the tests |
| 18:34.52 | dimitry7 | zinx, 16 G |
| 18:35.00 | zinx | dimitry7: o-O how long did it take? |
| 18:35.49 | zinx | dimitry7: generally takes me a lot longer to run a full pass :/ |
| 18:35.59 | dimitry7 | I don't know but dell says it can take up to a day or something |
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| 18:36.14 | dimitry7 | I need to run the ram test :S |
| 18:36.28 | zinx | dimitry7: oh, i don't know anything about dell's tools. i know memtest86+ catches a lot of problems many tools don't, wrt cpu and ram. |
| 18:36.50 | zinx | dimitry7: tests on the raid controller aren't going to do any good |
| 18:36.52 | dimitry7 | zinx, great, I'll run it |
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| 18:37.01 | dimitry7 | why not? |
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| 18:37.19 | zinx | dimitry7: if there's a problem, it's almost certainly with the Linux software driver |
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| 18:37.37 | zinx | dimitry7: the only way to test that is to write/read a bunch of files under various workloads. |
| 18:37.48 | zinx | dimitry7: and you still may not catch it :/ |
| 18:38.11 | zinx | dimitry7: basically, if the cpu/ram are fine, i would put the controller in to a dumb mode (assuming it has one), and let Linux do the raid in software. |
| 18:38.52 | zinx | dimitry7: linux software raid is actually faster than hardware raid a good bit of the time :/ |
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| 18:39.39 | zinx | anyway, have to go, hope you solve your problem(s) :) |
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| 18:40.47 | StephenLynx | anyone know anything about http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ layout? |
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| 18:43.54 | dimitry7 | zinx, god... |
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| 18:44.10 | dimitry7 | seems like I'll be doing a lot of testing, I'll do as much as I can :-) |
| 18:44.28 | dimitry7 | I have info to copy to and from the server |
| 18:44.36 | dimitry7 | I think that would be a good test |
| 18:44.50 | dimitry7 | copying 4 isos at the same time for example |
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| 18:45.26 | dimitry7 | zinx, thank you so much for the help man!!! |
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| 18:54.41 | djib | I'm having a weird issue : gdm won't start (something has gone wrong error) but I can start with startx |
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| 18:55.05 | djib | I'm using nvidia drivers |
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| 18:55.26 | djib | I'm a bit lost as how to track the error |
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| 18:56.53 | GNU\colossus | is gdm even in Debian any more? have you tried lightdm yet? |
| 18:57.34 | markybob | ,v gdm |
| 18:57.35 | judd | Package: gdm on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.20.11-4 |
| 18:58.07 | markybob | pretty sure most people use lightdm. i do |
| 18:58.18 | valdyn | ,v gdm3 |
| 18:58.19 | judd | Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.14.2-2; sid: 3.18.0-2 |
| 18:58.22 | djib | is installing |
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| 19:00.37 | djib | well that works |
| 19:00.40 | djib | :) |
| 19:00.57 | djib | thanks |
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| 19:01.21 | djib | it just seems a bit basic : i need to find a way to display accounts for my family members |
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| 19:03.18 | deuterium | hi, does anybody here run a tomcat on a debian 6.0.10 and observing severe tomcat instabilities? |
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| 19:10.55 | jhutchins | deuterium: That's a rather old release. |
| 19:11.35 | deuterium | jhutchins: true. it's just odd that a tomcat that ran stable for years started to have troubles today |
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| 19:14.50 | trickshotjohnny | comb through the cataline.err logs to see what it's complaining about? |
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| 19:22.08 | deuterium | trickshotjohnny: thanks for the hint |
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| 19:23.56 | trickshotjohnny | my experience is that it's fairly stable and typically the result of a rogue developer circumventing code review/qa processes and just dumping a new .war to an application server. |
| 19:24.09 | trickshotjohnny | ie, the crash is always in the .war, not tomcat proper |
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| 19:25.17 | trickshotjohnny | s/always/almost always/g |
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| 19:25.55 | steelman` | hi |
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| 19:26.57 | steelman | I found a mistake in the Debian Installation Guide, Appendix B to be exaxct https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en |
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| 19:27.36 | steelman | how to report it, where can I find sources of this document so I can prepare a patch? |
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| 19:29.30 | Iridos | steelman, Appendix E "Administrativa" in the same document seems to tell you all you need |
| 19:29.45 | Iridos | i.e. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ape.html.en |
| 19:30.18 | steelman | Iridos: thanks |
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| 19:31.55 | chrislp | Hi, would anyone mind taking a look at my iptables rules? I want to be sure it's safe to put my server online. https://paste.debian.net/315682/ |
| 19:32.03 | Ulfalizer | how does apt-cache search work exactly? is there a package index on repository servers that it downloads and looks into? |
| 19:32.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes. |
| 19:32.25 | Ulfalizer | okay, thanks |
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| 19:33.02 | jhutchins | Ulfalizer: That's what the "update" step does, updates your local catalog. |
| 19:33.17 | Ulfalizer | ah, that makes sense :) |
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| 19:34.31 | deuterium | where can i see the most recent updates for debian 6? |
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| 19:34.39 | deuterium | i.e. package updates? |
| 19:35.06 | markybob | chrislp, that looks really silly/mostly pointless. but it's offtopic. go to #netfilter |
| 19:35.46 | chrislp | markybob thanks, i'll be off there |
| 19:36.37 | Ulfalizer | does apt-cache search search the local version, i.e., the one downloaded by the most recent apt-get update? |
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| 19:38.43 | jhutchins | !lts |
| 19:38.44 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:38.59 | Iridos | Ulfalizer, yes |
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| 19:39.54 | Ulfalizer | ok |
| 19:40.10 | Iridos | it must, else it would take as long as apt-get update to get the data... |
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| 19:40.58 | Ulfalizer | what's the format of the index? just a text file with all the packages and their versions? |
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| 19:41.38 | Ulfalizer | is a coder who needs to get into package management :) |
| 19:42.34 | Iridos | Ulfalizer, /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 19:43.12 | Ulfalizer | thanks |
| 19:43.14 | Iridos | (or the Packages or Packages.gz files one can see by pointing a browser to the repo) |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins | Ulfalizer: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 19:45.01 | Ulfalizer | takes a look |
| 19:45.16 | Ulfalizer | i wish i had a debian box handy at the moment. moving is a PITA. :/ |
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| 19:46.20 | Ulfalizer | is it really true that aptitude relies on apt? i read elsewhere that it uses dpkg directly. |
| 19:46.43 | zinx | aptitude uses apt, which is not to be confused with apt-get |
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| 19:48.11 | Ulfalizer | ok, i'll stuff confusing them |
| 19:48.12 | jhutchins | Ulfalizer: That's one of the things that's changed over time, so there might be outdated documentation. |
| 19:48.22 | Ulfalizer | *stop |
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| 19:51.16 | Dagger | every time I `brctl addbr <name>`, network-manager sets disable_ipv6=1 on the bridge. how do I make it not do that? |
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| 19:52.34 | Dagger | or alternately, how do I limit it to only doing anything for the one specific interface I want it to manage? |
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| 19:53.27 | Ulfalizer | zinx: so there's a separate apt binary too? i don't think i've ever used it. |
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| 19:54.02 | jhutchins | Dagger: If you have a configuration in /etc/network/interfaces NM should ignore it. |
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| 19:54.16 | Ulfalizer | are apt-get and apt-cache implemented in terms of it? |
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| 19:56.21 | Dagger | jhutchins: yeah, but a) it doesn't, b) I don't want it disabling v6 on any interface, whether or not it's in /e/n/i |
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| 19:58.14 | Dagger | actually, it ignores two of the interfaces in /e/n/i (the physical ethernet and the veth interface), just not the bridge |
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| 20:14.45 | kaak | how can I increment a variable in dash/sh (*not* bash)? |
| 20:14.58 | kaak | google keeps giving me bash specific answers ... |
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| 20:15.54 | kaak | e.g. What is the equivalent of $((I++)) in dash/sh |
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| 20:17.10 | Dagger | I guess something like I=$((I+1)) will work |
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| 20:26.25 | kaak | Dagger, thanks! That worked |
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| 20:29.39 | DerButzermann | hi, my new vps is now online, and i've reinstalled it using pre-created images (kvm). the keyboard layout in the remote console is wrong, how can i change it? |
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| 20:31.30 | dimitry7 | zinx, what's the name of the test for CPU? For memory I'm running memtest86+ |
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| 20:40.43 | Ulfalizer | what would be a good way to find all installed packages that put stuff into the initramfs? |
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| 20:44.51 | Iridos | looking into /usr/sbin/update-initramfs and /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs and possibly /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/ ? |
| 20:45.15 | Iridos | time to go |
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| 20:56.45 | jhutchins | Ulfalizer: Look at the initramfs and see what's there. |
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| 20:57.51 | ewew | Or look in deb archives with gdebi. |
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| 21:29.03 | js9600 | fedora |
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| 21:30.56 | teraflops | freidora? |
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| 21:45.10 | dimitry7 | zinx, what's the name of the test for CPU? For memory I'm running memtest86+ |
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| 21:46.51 | trickshotjohnny | dimitry7: /usr/bin/yes |
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| 21:47.08 | trickshotjohnny | spin it up in the background once for each core in the system. |
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| 21:47.26 | Jaga-Jaga | my hardware switch for the wifi card turns off at random sometimes. what can i do? |
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| 21:47.54 | crane | has anyone a clue why my late_command is not preseeded? even the mkdir is not working... :( https://dpaste.de/Ph34 |
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| 21:50.04 | mbach_ | hi |
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| 21:50.56 | mbach_ | I've a question that might be simple for people who understand quite well debian packages |
| 21:51.26 | dimitry7 | trickshotjohnny, nice!! Now, how do I parse the core number as argument? |
| 21:51.32 | mtn | Jaga-Jaga: the physical switch on the side of the computer? |
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| 21:52.07 | trickshotjohnny | nproc |
| 21:52.34 | dimitry7 | okay, thanks man! |
| 21:52.52 | mbach_ | I've made an audio player and I have splitted the program in some dynamic libraries. What would be the best way, and the most simple way, to bind linux specific plugins to it? |
| 21:53.36 | mbach_ | should I create 2 separate debian packages? Like, let's say, vlc and vlc-plugin-sdl? |
| 21:53.37 | trickshotjohnny | dimitry7: NPROC=`nproc`; for i in `seq 1 $NPROC`; do yes > /dev/null & done |
| 21:53.52 | trickshotjohnny | be prepared to pkill yes if you get overtemp alarms |
| 21:53.59 | dimitry7 | oohh |
| 21:54.05 | dimitry7 | nice!! Thank you man! :D |
| 21:54.10 | dimitry7 | hey |
| 21:54.17 | dimitry7 | trickshotjohnny, when should I stop?? |
| 21:54.23 | dimitry7 | it finishes by itself? |
| 21:54.48 | trickshotjohnny | it never finishes unless you kill it manually or set an at task to do so at a specific time later. |
| 21:55.11 | dimitry7 | trickshotjohnny, okay, and how will I know when it has tested every core? |
| 21:55.38 | trickshotjohnny | yes is just a CPU burn in task to peg them at 100% utilization. you can check the system during that to see how it handles the stress |
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| 21:56.38 | trickshotjohnny | it just prints 'y' forever until SIGTERM or stdout is hung up. it's an archaic hack to deal with programs like cp and mv before the -f argument was dreamed up, but it lives on in CPU load testing. |
| 21:56.51 | dimitry7 | trickshotjohnny, perfect, I'll run it as soon as my memtest finishes, it's now 83% |
| 21:57.16 | dimitry7 | 0 Pass 0 Errors |
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| 22:01.41 | tertu | i swear i actually used yes for something at one point |
| 22:01.50 | tertu | i think sometimes it's useful with scripts |
| 22:02.29 | trickshotjohnny | it's useful for something the requires you to enter 'y' at a prompt but doesn't give you an argument to force yes at invocation time. |
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| 22:12.22 | cxd13 | when you compile and insert a kernel module with insmod is it active until you remove it with rmmod? or is there something you do to make it survive reboot |
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| 22:12.54 | nkuttler | cxd13: man 5 modules |
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| 22:13.48 | trickshotjohnny | if you can't modprobe it, it won't load automatically on boot. |
| 22:14.13 | trickshotjohnny | put it somewhere under /lib/modules/<your kernel version>/ and run depmod to get modprobe to pick it up |
| 22:14.18 | cxd13 | nkuttler: what if it's in some random directory in my home folder. will it still find it if i put its name in /etc/modules? |
| 22:14.23 | nkuttler | ugh |
| 22:14.31 | nkuttler | cxd13: which module are you talking about anyway? |
| 22:14.38 | trickshotjohnny | then, it will either load on boot if it is the only module that probes for a particular device ID or if you add it into /etc/modules |
| 22:14.56 | cxd13 | trickshotjohnny: THANKS |
| 22:15.02 | cxd13 | oops, caps |
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| 22:55.43 | creatorbe | anyone have experience about conky on jessie? |
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| 23:00.28 | Brigo | creatorbe, not really on jessie. what is your problem? |
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| 23:04.35 | creatorbe | Brigo: hahah yes i know, but i'm installed on wheezy it's work but not in jessie, i have installed conky and wanna set my own conky by sudo conky ConkyName but isn't work just display default conky, black box |
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| 23:06.02 | Brigo | creatorbe, then i can't help you, i have never installed it in jessie, sorry. |
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| 23:06.58 | creatorbe | it's okkay, maybe google my guidances |
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| 23:31.38 | mog | can anyone help me repair my debian machine. i have a gross mix of stable, testing, unstable packages it seems, im trying to get the machine completely on debian testing |
| 23:31.50 | mog | when i run upgrade or dist-upgrade now i get this error |
| 23:31.51 | mog | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gc |
| 23:31.55 | mog | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcc' |
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| 23:37.14 | Atm0spher1c | mog: I don't think anyone would want to touch any of that. Don't mix releases. |
| 23:37.27 | mog | i know |
| 23:37.31 | mog | i inherited this box |
| 23:37.37 | mog | just trying to get clean |
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| 23:38.32 | Atm0spher1c | Do a fresh install because you're not going to have fun doing it, or it may it not even work anyway. |
| 23:38.48 | mog | not really an option as site is remote |
| 23:39.49 | mog | might have to get them to just set up new hardware |
| 23:40.12 | Atm0spher1c | you could do a install in chroot, whipe the other partition and boot into the new one. It may be a bit of a challenge, but probably easier than cleaning up that mess |
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| 23:41.23 | Atm0spher1c | more of a challenge if it's remote, and I wouldn't really recommend that, but given your situation |
| 23:41.59 | Atm0spher1c | more risk if its remote |
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