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| 00:12.05 | hiyo | Hello I am wondering what is the difference now with the "service" command with systemd installed on a jessie system |
| 00:12.55 | somiaj | hiyo: Have you tried it? In general it won't work and you will want to use systemctl instead |
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| 00:13.30 | somiaj | hiyo: there si some compadability if you have the systemd-sysv package isntalled, and if you run the /etc/init.d/service start/stop directly it will correctly call systemctl for you. I am unsure if service will do that as well since I have not tried it |
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| 00:14.20 | somiaj | on my testing, it seems to work but gives no output |
| 00:17.04 | hiyo | somiaj: yeah I just used it by accident and it worked so I was wondering what was up with that |
| 00:17.31 | somiaj | hiyo: comadability. I think it detects you are using systemd and makes a call to systemctl (which then gives no output) |
| 00:17.47 | somiaj | hiyo: I do like the init.d script method cause at least it tells you it is calling systemctl |
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| 00:18.01 | hiyo | somiaj: well good to know! |
| 00:18.03 | somiaj | note it won't have nearly the features of systemctl |
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| 00:18.39 | zeio | hi all, is possible use on the same installation on device radeon and one other nvidia |
| 00:18.40 | hiyo | somiaj: what is the difference, I've just learned like the basic restart, stop, reload, and disable/enable |
| 00:19.07 | somiaj | hiyo: systemctl status service is one |
| 00:19.31 | somiaj | hiyo: I really am a novice with systemd, but systemctl can get you fare more info than just basically running a script under certain conditions. |
| 00:19.46 | hiyo | somiaj: well service also had the status depending on the program |
| 00:20.48 | somiaj | hiyo: did teh status also list all the logs from the program? |
| 00:21.06 | somiaj | hiyo: but yea, scripts were supose to have a status feature. man systemctl for more info |
| 00:21.12 | hiyo | somiaj: no, it would just say whether it was up or not |
| 00:22.10 | cxd13 | i have a kernel module writing to a file in /sys/kernel/debug/ but when i reboot the computer its contents are lost. is there any way to have it saved or copied to another file that won't be lost when i reboot? |
| 00:22.13 | zeio | anybody have expertise in setup one radeon and one nvidia on the same time |
| 00:24.22 | hiyo | somiaj: well thanks for the info |
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| 00:24.50 | somiaj | cxd13: it is a tmpfs filessytem, so you'll need to copy it somewhere. Does the module write info right before the panic causing this? |
| 00:24.58 | somiaj | cxd13: so you can't just go pull the info off easily? |
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| 00:25.59 | cxd13 | somiaj: it's writing to it continuously, not just right before the shutdown. so i'd need some kind of script that copies the file to another location ever X seconds or something? |
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| 00:26.38 | cxd13 | i can copy it manually before shutdown, but trying to save a little time |
| 00:26.53 | somiaj | cxd13: well you could mount another partitoin there so it is writing to an actual disk and just let it grow, and then wait for what ever to happen and once the crash happens you hsould still have some sutff left (provided syncs run quick enough) |
| 00:27.15 | somiaj | cxd13: mount --bind /some/other/directory/with/write/permissions /sys/kernel/debug/ |
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| 00:28.21 | somiaj | cxd13: this is jsut and idea, not sure how well it will actually work |
| 00:28.25 | cxd13 | somiaj: hmm. thanks i didn't think of trying something like that. i can just give it some directory in my home |
| 00:29.21 | somiaj | cxd13: note I'd suggest finding a kernel developer and see what sort of tricks they use for when they are playing with new things. They may know something a hobbist like me doens't |
| 00:30.05 | cxd13 | ok |
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| 00:33.48 | cxd13 | i did sudo mount --bind ~/mount /sys/kernel/debug/ and then modprobe the module but nothing showing up there |
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| 00:34.51 | somiaj | cxd13: yea I guess I should have been afaraid of that. The kernel probabaly doesn't write to the file system, the kernel writes to its memeory and only exports it as a filesystem. |
| 00:35.04 | somiaj | cxd13: if you unmount the directory, do you see things as you should? |
| 00:36.18 | cxd13 | well i just created ~/mount for this test so there's nothing in there and the file is still in /sys/kernel/debug so ya it's fine |
| 00:36.43 | somiaj | Unsure the best place to try to find someoen who would understand the kernel well enough on how to export sys to a physical disk. Only other thing is just have a service watching that directory and copying changes when they happen. |
| 00:36.52 | somiaj | at least what I can think of |
| 00:37.06 | shawn | oh god |
| 00:37.11 | shawn | cant get cache to work |
| 00:37.15 | shawn | ccache |
| 00:37.23 | cxd13 | somiaj: no problem thanks for the info |
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| 01:30.29 | keltim | does anyone know of any existing presentations or advocacy arguments for debian, say, vs any rpm system? I'm trying to put something together and not interested in reinventing the wheel |
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| 01:45.48 | dvs | keltim: Debian versus what? |
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| 01:55.13 | shawn | keltim: keep your head below the grass |
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| 01:56.19 | shawn | my boss runs slackware, we use it because if anything ever goes wrong theres no fingers pointed |
| 01:56.45 | shawn | we all want to use debian but nobody wants to be a hero |
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| 01:58.31 | cast | keltim: i think it would be great if someone looked at the last 5 years of serious exploits, and compared how fast east distro released updates |
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| 01:59.56 | keltim | cast, that's a no brainer, but most distros release updates in a timely fashion; the difference with debian is that it is done with 20 times the number of packages .. most distros only truly support about 1000 packages, if that |
| 02:00.11 | cast | keltim: i've never seen an objective document of what you're seeking :( |
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| 02:01.15 | cast | well, a lot of companies assume they should go with Red Hat, because paid support contacts are how you get your timely security updates. and because they're paid, they must be better, right?</fallacy> |
| 02:02.13 | keltim | cast, actually most of that is vendor driven, those are a lost cause. If you buy software X and they only support RHEL, you're going to use RHEL. That is the driver. I don't think anyone really cares about OS support |
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| 02:03.10 | keltim | but it always astounds me when people use ahem, ub____ as a server, rather than debian |
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| 02:03.21 | keltim | or for fuck's sake, amazon linux |
| 02:03.28 | keltim | or centos |
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| 02:04.18 | lueshi | the name one shall not say |
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| 02:06.35 | keltim | in particular, I'm dealing with Amazon Linux, a CentOS based rolling release distro with no bug tracking system and forced upgrades (or no updates) every 6 months |
| 02:07.10 | keltim | so it should be an easy sell, but I'm constantly blindsided by cloud people and their not caring about such elemental things |
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| 02:08.57 | keltim | I mean, a freaking bug tracking system is not a negotiable item, is it? |
| 02:09.10 | keltim | yet I'm met with shrugs when I bring that up |
| 02:09.23 | cast | i imagine there is one, just perhaps internal and private |
| 02:09.52 | keltim | cast, well that doesn't do its users (admins/"devops") any good |
| 02:09.55 | dvs | The "no updates" one get me when something is not working. |
| 02:11.23 | keltim | there are many people out there "updating" their Amazon Linux systems that aren't even aware that they are pulling updates from newer releases |
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| 02:13.01 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys, here is time to say goodnight! |
| 02:13.09 | dvs | nope |
| 02:13.13 | dvs | we won't allow it1 |
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| 03:04.05 | BW^- | Trying to install Debian 8.2 using the N7260 Wifi card using the Firmware ISO does *not* work. |
| 03:04.12 | BW^- | It did work with 8.1 , so this is a bug report. |
| 03:04.52 | BW^- | the error is that the DMESG states that the WiFi N7260 firmware "load failed" with "error -2". |
| 03:05.28 | BW^- | this then reflects when connecting to a wifi as that wpa_state=scanning first, and then eventually switches over to wpa_state=INTERFACE_DISABLED |
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| 03:05.35 | BW^- | Thinkpad S1 Yoga |
| 03:05.47 | BW^- | i'm not into the bug tracking system, if You feel like feel free to repost this there. |
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| 03:09.04 | somiaj | BW^-: anyone can post to the BTS, go read at bugs.debian.org |
| 03:09.34 | somiaj | BW^-: I think there is a debian-installer package you can report bugs against |
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| 03:10.02 | BW^- | mhm |
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| 03:21.56 | BW^- | aha thanks. |
| 03:22.01 | BW^- | WAIT, I take back the bug report! so weird! |
| 03:22.05 | BW^- | it worked on the other WIFI but not here |
| 03:22.12 | BW^- | this WIFI's password, consists of digits only |
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| 03:22.27 | BW^- | may it be that when I type it into the installer, it thinks i'm actually typing in a hex string, and it decodes it?? |
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| 03:23.01 | shawn | ok at home i enabled ccache and a package that takes 47s to compile takes 15 second to compile again... but why wont it work on our server lol :'( |
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| 03:25.32 | BW^- | it's a WPA2-Personal wifi.. |
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| 03:29.26 | BW^- | is there any installer CD that has tools like "ifconfig" too, while consisting of only one volume? |
| 03:29.34 | BW^- | the NETINST ISO is very sparse - no ifconfig, etc. |
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| 03:34.40 | mns | for the last several days I've been getting the following with apt-get update: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatc. How do I fix it ? |
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| 04:22.11 | punto | hi.. I'm trying to install debian or ubuntu on a machine, tried with 2 different disks, and they all fail while "installing the base system", is this a know issue? |
| 04:22.41 | punto | I used debian 8.2.0-netinst and a bunch of others |
| 04:22.54 | somiaj | punto: how did you create the bootable device (cd or usB) fro teh image? |
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| 04:25.46 | punto | somiaj: with win32 disk imager |
| 04:25.52 | punto | usb |
| 04:27.58 | punto | it installer boots and everything, some of them even run the 'live-cd' style system with X and everything, but they all fail there, on 2 different hard drives.. |
| 04:28.49 | somiaj | punto: just making sure you were using a disk imager. You don't have any more info than it fails during installing the base system. If you hit alt-f2 or f3 (try a few more) there should be a screen that has some logns on it |
| 04:30.17 | punto | yeah, but it doesn't really provide a clear error |
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| 04:30.28 | punto | I guess the first one is "debootstrap: zcat: crc error" |
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| 04:33.05 | punto | and it fails in the same place with an ubuntu installer |
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| 04:35.33 | DrManhattan | will my system populate network devices that don't have a cable plugged into them during netinstall? for instance, if I have a cable plugged into one of three NICs, will it only count the one with a cable in it as eth0? |
| 04:35.45 | DrManhattan | this is, specifically, squeeze install. |
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| 04:58.41 | hanasaki | 8.2 is current? how can I tell what ver I am on |
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| 05:31.02 | Name141 | Hm, doesn't seem debian is updating too much recently. I turned the machine on to check for updates and in about a month I haven't seen many. |
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| 05:32.09 | somiaj | Name141: debian stable doesn't have many updates, only security issues. |
| 05:32.40 | Name141 | somiaj: That 'other' distro that's based on debian was updating like mad.. even their LTS |
| 05:33.13 | somiaj | debian has a different definition of stable than many other distros. Party it is a frozen system except for security updates. |
| 05:33.46 | Name141 | Chromium / firefox (iceweasel?) gets updated if something is wrong, right ? |
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| 05:34.18 | somiaj | Correct, security now provides a current chromium package that has the fix in it and uses the esr version of firefox to make iceweasel |
| 05:34.49 | somiaj | this is due mostly to the work to backport the constant security issues with the browser. These are exceptions to the frozen policy and only a recent change to how debian deals with security support. |
| 05:34.59 | Name141 | Ah that's good enough. |
| 05:35.02 | somiaj | but the updates only happen during security issues, not just when the next version is avaialb.e |
| 05:35.09 | Name141 | I'm tired of skipping distros just to find a XP replacement |
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| 05:35.57 | Name141 | Plus for some reason Xubuntu , and Mint XFCE didn't run as good on the machine as Debian with XFCE |
| 05:35.59 | Name141 | no idea why |
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| 05:36.15 | somiaj | debian also provides jessie-backports which gives newer kernels that helps a lot with ahrdware support. Other things are provided via backports. But the desktops are frozen as the work to backport them hasnt' been undertaken by the matianers |
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| 05:36.48 | somiaj | note backports do not have security support from the security team (but the matainer may upload a fixed backport...this has no timeline though) |
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| 05:38.03 | Name141 | I figure I'll stay with Debian |
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| 05:45.58 | shawn | me too |
| 05:46.43 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 05:46.58 | swift110-phone | Is hexchat available for debian? |
| 05:47.06 | shawn | yes |
| 05:47.12 | shawn | ,v hexchat |
| 05:47.13 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; sid: 2.10.2-1+b1; stretch: 2.10.2-1+b1 |
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| 05:48.36 | swift110-phone | Thankw |
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| 05:53.52 | BW^- | I have two questions regarding the installation: |
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| 05:54.35 | BW^- | 1) I want to use disk encryption. It seems to me that GRUB has the ability to automatically decrypt the "Encrypted volume", so I do *NOT* need a separate ext2 /boot volume as the guide I read suggested? or? |
| 05:55.24 | BW^- | 2) My netinst fails to utilize my network card. But nonetheless, netinst has the whole base system on it. Can I somehow just install the base system, boot it, and continue the installation of remaining parts of the system (X etc.) after the first boot? |
| 05:55.28 | BW^- | please let me know! =) |
| 05:55.32 | BW^- | so one boot encryption Q |
| 05:55.38 | BW^- | and one "can I install X after first boot" Q :) |
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| 06:01.47 | BW^- | anyone? |
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| 06:04.03 | boot | you can definitely install x any time you want. and i would feel a lot safer with an unencrypted /boot. |
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| 06:06.47 | BW^- | boot: how do I get into the installer where I can install those base parts of the system such as X, after the first boot (rather than during the installer)? |
| 06:07.02 | BW^- | boot: what do you mean safer with unencrypted /boot - do you believe it's a requirement? |
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| 06:08.36 | boot | BW^-, boot to console, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install xorg <desktop or window manager> <display manager (optional)> |
| 06:09.38 | boot | as root of course. |
| 06:09.41 | BW^- | boot: you know there's that option during the installer if youw ant a "Desktop environment" |
| 06:09.47 | BW^- | boot: and then a .. "Software development environment" too? |
| 06:09.54 | BW^- | boot: i want those too =) |
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| 06:10.23 | BW^- | boot: are there some "gigantic packages" that would help me install those - "apt-get install desktop"; "apt-get install softwaredev"?? |
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| 06:10.41 | boot | if you don't want x, you have to specifically uncheck it during the install. even without a desktop checked, it will install x. |
| 06:11.07 | BW^- | boot: ah my issue is just I don't have access to anything more than the "base system" at install time (because my internet is down) |
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| 06:12.04 | boot | BW^-, there are meta-packages for the various flavors of desktop. and to install a build environment, apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 06:12.43 | somiaj | BW^-: you can also run tasksel which is the program that has you pick which groups of packages to isntall |
| 06:12.58 | boot | if your internet is down during the install, you will need to edit /etc/network/interfaces later and add two lines to get it going. |
| 06:13.20 | BW^- | somiaj: ah great, "tasksel" - will try it, thanks!! |
| 06:13.33 | BW^- | boot,somiaj: my last Q now, is "/boot" the directory where GRUB keeps its files only? |
| 06:13.37 | BW^- | boot,somiaj: so that one must be *UNENCRYPTED*?? |
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| 06:14.07 | somiaj | BW^-: The standard method with encrypted systems is to keep boot unencrypted (it will be easiest this way) |
| 06:14.31 | somiaj | note newwer grubs do support an encrypted boot, but it may take some research and figuring things out to actually get it to work in jessie |
| 06:14.44 | BW^- | aha |
| 06:14.50 | BW^- | somiaj: how small can my /boot be? 50MB?? |
| 06:15.28 | somiaj | BW^-: you would be pushing it at that size. I have two kernels installed on my system and my boot is 56M, this means you won't be able to upgrade kernels if needed |
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| 06:16.04 | BW^- | ahaa |
| 06:16.07 | BW^- | somiaj: would 150MB be all ever needed? |
| 06:16.08 | somiaj | BW^-: I'd say 100Megs is still a bit small, but would think you would be mroe comfortable with that than 50. This way if you install a new kernel you have your old kernel as backup until you are sure it works. |
| 06:16.43 | somiaj | BW^-: I can't answer that question. But 150Megs should be fine if you don't ever want more than maybe 3 kernels installed, though I'd keep it at 2, and once you are happy with the new one (if this becomes an issue) remove the old one |
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| 06:17.47 | BW^- | aha great. |
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| 06:17.58 | BW^- | somiaj: aha so Debian 8.2.0 may still not be so straightforward to have Grub decrypt the HD for you |
| 06:18.14 | BW^- | somiaj: I could just try to see if it would work without any unencrypted volume?? |
| 06:18.43 | BW^- | try the installer to check? |
| 06:18.51 | somiaj | BW^-: I'm unsure was I don't use encrypted filessytems. I only know that 1) grub2 which is in jessie has encrypted boot support, I do not know at what stage or how easy it is to use in jessie. The standard method is to not encrypt boot, and 150Megs should be enough for /boot unless you install lots of kernels. |
| 06:20.09 | boot | BW^-, if you install without internet, and internet is unconfigured later, add these two lines to /etc/network/interfaces: allow-hotplug eth0 (and) iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 06:24.30 | BW^- | mhm |
| 06:24.30 | BW^- | aha |
| 06:24.39 | BW^- | somiaj,boot: ok, thanks so much for your suggestions! |
| 06:24.53 | boot | np, have fun :) |
| 06:24.58 | BW^- | simiaj,boot: ah, one last thing - the installer's partitioning tool seems to *not* apply 1MB disk alignment, but rather 4K right? |
| 06:25.08 | BW^- | and it's not configurable |
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| 06:26.40 | oatgarum | how to open manually a port in debian 7/8 specially in NAT nodes... Thanks |
| 06:27.04 | somiaj | BW^-: unsure there, never really focused that much on what they did and let them just do their thing. |
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| 06:27.34 | oatgarum | i mean i want to use oidentd but the default port is 113 not working while my node have specific port are allowed. |
| 06:27.48 | BW^- | ok! |
| 06:27.57 | BW^- | ok thanks again - now reboo & try time! |
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| 06:42.57 | BW^- | aha I tried with making only an "Encrypted volume"( and then a boot volume within it) and the installer correct med and said that the /boot volume must be unencrypted |
| 06:43.00 | BW^- | so it didn't let me through |
| 06:43.05 | BW^- | so in the next version of Debain maybe?? |
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| 06:44.34 | somiaj | BW^-: we'll see, as I said it is still a new feature and I am unsure if it will be included in the next debian release installer. But it is a work in progress. |
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| 06:46.48 | BW^- | somiaj: aha gotcha. ok thanks! |
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| 07:09.45 | Iridos | BW^-, I encrypted / on the machine at work and have no separate /boot. That was with wheezy. Wonder where the difference with your install is |
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| 07:12.17 | Iridos | hmm |
| 07:12.40 | Iridos | BW^-, ha, tell a lie, I do have a separate /boot |
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| 07:13.03 | Iridos | obviously this install has happened too long ago for me to remember well |
| 07:13.24 | Iridos | and it was straight-forward enough that I didn't feel the need to write documentation |
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| 07:59.16 | factor | How can I do initramfs under make-kpkg |
| 08:00.15 | factor | It seems to get my MT9P031 camera to work I have to redo the initrdfs |
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| 08:11.34 | bagbobilgins | do you mean make-kpkg --initrd? |
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| 08:14.47 | klys | package: xserver-xorg-video-fbdev; chipset: intel; other packages: systemd, udev; startx requires chvt upon startup. also requires sshd in case of failure. |
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| 08:21.00 | factor | bagbobilgins: yes , I need to add a module to it and to udev I guess . |
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| 08:25.00 | _abc_ | Hello. Given an installed Debian system, and its adjusted package list (what is installed - needed etc), how can one create a custom package list to install the same package set on another system without manual playing with aptitude etc? I assume a bash script driving dpkg directly would be a solution, but I am sure there are other ways? |
| 08:27.40 | towo^work | _abc_, dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{ print $2 }' | grep -v lib > packages.txt ? |
| 08:28.31 | towo^work | _abc_, installing then with apt install $(< packages.txt) |
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| 08:36.08 | towo^work | _abc_, sorry, has to be dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{ print $2 }' | grep -v ^lib > packages.txt |
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| 08:37.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell _abc_ about aptitude clone |
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| 08:50.07 | _abc_ | thanks |
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| 08:52.56 | tespio | _abc_: sometimes packages installed as dependencies might not be installed using dpkg. You may better use this: (1st machine) apt-mark showauto > pkgs_auto.lst ; apt-mark showmanual > pkgs_manual.lst then (2nd machine) apt-mark auto $(cat pkgs_auto.lst) ; apt-mark manual $(cat pkgs_manual.lst) |
| 08:53.08 | linuxd | i got 'fopen: Permission denied' in the output of 'apt-get install backupninja',how to solve it? |
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| 08:55.41 | tespio | linuxd: that's a permission error probably in /var/cache/man. check the permissions of them. should be owned by the proper user and if not you may do "chown -R man:root /var/cache/man" |
| 08:55.42 | _abc_ | linuxd: sudo apt-get install * |
| 08:56.31 | tespio | or as _abc_ told you if you ran the apt-get as normal user you should use sudo |
| 08:57.23 | linuxd | tespio, _abc_,: ok,thanx bro |
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| 09:51.39 | ksk | maferv: Im afraid I dont know, but why squeeze? :> |
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| 09:52.54 | ksk | abracadaniel: take a look at dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections, thats the way to go imho |
| 09:53.41 | ksk | ah he left and I highlighted wrongly. sorry dude |
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| 09:55.52 | maferv | ksk I read that wheezy already requires instructions that my processor can't handle (vfpv3 thumbee) |
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| 10:01.18 | tespio | maferv: Squeeze works on ARMv6. There's a discussion on xda regarding this and even a tutorial on installing squeeze on armv6 since Debian supports the CPU (and other moderate processors) on all android devices at least. |
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| 10:03.03 | Ticho | tespio: is it in the "I can't really do anything useful with my phone, but at least I can ping localhost" phase still? :) |
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| 10:04.52 | Vanfanel | Hi. I am cross-compiling for ARM from an X86 machine. The ARM sysroot is in /opt/rpi_root. I am passing --sysroot=/opt/rpi_root to the cross-compiler. However, ld can't find crt1.o and crti.o. Those are in /opt/rpi_root/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf, so they should be found. Any ideas on what's wrong, please? |
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| 10:06.04 | tespio | Ticho: might be i don't really know since i dont use Debian on my phone. But from the screenies i see there's more than ping :) Either way maferv just asked if squeeze works with armv6 :) |
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| 10:09.44 | BW^- | guys this may seem like a weird Q but I need the support for the CH9200 adapter |
| 10:09.44 | BW^- | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/net/usb/ch9200.c |
| 10:09.49 | BW^- | it was included in the Linux kernel sources 21 days ago! |
| 10:10.00 | maferv | thanks tespio, I'll look for that thread |
| 10:10.01 | BW^- | it's only that C file, it has no dependencies |
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| 10:10.12 | BW^- | do you have any idea where I could catch a.. binary module precompiled? |
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| 10:10.15 | BW^- | i guess would make the most sense?? |
| 10:10.16 | BW^- | for AMD64 |
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| 10:19.57 | factor | Whe I load the camera driver MT9P031 I don't see a video device show up. How would I debug this. |
| 10:20.08 | factor | I have it loading the driver upon boot up. |
| 10:21.55 | BW^- | what's Debian 8.2.0's default kernel version? |
| 10:22.06 | factor | 8.16.7 |
| 10:22.10 | factor | sorry |
| 10:22.12 | factor | 3.16.7 |
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| 10:22.31 | factor | But I saw an update today , that may have been changed |
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| 10:23.00 | factor | But no less than that |
| 10:23.18 | BW^- | aha |
| 10:23.34 | BW^- | factor: ok so to recompile the kernel, i just go to kernel.org and download exactly that? |
| 10:24.02 | factor | apt-cache shows 3.16 .0 but the source I got and recompiled was 3.16.7 |
| 10:24.05 | factor | apt-get source |
| 10:24.22 | BW^- | mhm |
| 10:24.23 | factor | and my default kernel boot after login shows 3.16.7 |
| 10:24.34 | winterss | hiya |
| 10:25.38 | tespio | The new linux-image update is a fix regarding the CVE-2015-2925 |
| 10:26.08 | factor | ok |
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| 10:43.51 | ewew | Hello |
| 10:43.51 | ewew | Why avai is in debian ? |
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| 10:50.24 | BW^- | kernel module files, are they named ".o" or ".ko"? |
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| 10:51.33 | tespio | BW^- The module files themselves end in ".ko" which stands for "Kernel Object". But not all .ko are modules. |
| 10:53.04 | markybob | BW^-, http://stackoverflow.com/a/10477109 |
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| 10:55.24 | BW^- | mhm |
| 10:56.23 | BW^- | tespio,markybob: I took the 3.16.7 sources from kernel.org and then downloaded https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/net/usb/ch9200.c into its drivers/net/usb directory, and added the Makefile line in drivers/net/usb/ for it, and then did "make drivers/net/usb/". |
| 10:56.58 | BW^- | tespio,markybob: this gave me a ch9200.o but I have no ch9200.ko |
| 10:57.20 | BW^- | but also no "mcs7830.ko" etc (= other driver in the dir) |
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| 11:04.01 | tespio | BW^- have you followed all the steps ? Also added the Kconfig changes ? |
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| 11:04.56 | BW^- | tespio: right, adding the Kconfig changes right now!! |
| 11:05.00 | BW^- | tespio: are they essential? |
| 11:05.28 | tespio | BW^- cd to drivers/net/usb, make ; make load |
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| 11:06.59 | BW^- | tespio: this is the driver i'm working with |
| 11:07.00 | BW^- | https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/519981/ |
| 11:07.01 | BW^- | aha |
| 11:07.18 | BW^- | $ make |
| 11:07.18 | BW^- | make: *** No targets. Stop. |
| 11:07.23 | BW^- | $ make load |
| 11:07.23 | BW^- | make: *** No rule to make target `load'. Stop. |
| 11:07.25 | BW^- | tespio: |
| 11:08.10 | tespio | BW^- yeah basically Torvald's one on github is the same |
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| 11:08.20 | BW^- | tespio: hmmmmmm. any idea what i may be missing? (i'll "grep" through Torvald's latest..) |
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| 11:09.34 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 11:09.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc4-686 (4.3~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.1-2); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.1-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
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| 11:16.14 | BW^- | YES!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:16.32 | Iridos | BW^-, it's not really advisable (or fun) to recompile kernels your self... there's 4.2.0-0.bpo.1 in jessie-backports... as for code in some git repository to make a new custom kernel module... well... expect fun. |
| 11:16.45 | BW^- | tespio: ensuring its instructions in Kconfig were there, the "make menuconfig" marking it as "M", and then " make drivers/net/usb/ch9200.ko" brought me the .ko file! :DDDDDDD |
| 11:16.48 | BW^- | thanks so much for your help!! |
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| 11:17.03 | winterss | hi all |
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| 11:17.48 | BW^- | tespio: try time :) |
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| 11:27.16 | x37 | i have this weird issue where i cant press any key more than once in a certain time frame, im wondering if anyone knows of a setting that may cause this |
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| 11:31.52 | BW^- | ouch, I compiled for the wrong version 3.16.7, but Debian's kernel is.. 3.16.0-4 ? |
| 11:31.53 | BW^- | where can I find the sourcecode for the "-4" variant? =) |
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| 11:35.13 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hi guys, here is time to say good morning |
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| 11:36.34 | BW^- | "3.16.0-4", that I think is the kernel version that Debian 8.2.0 bundles. |
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| 11:39.18 | tespio | BW^- apt-cache search linux-source |
| 11:39.19 | tespio | linux-source-3.16 - Linux kernel source for version 3.16 with Debian patches |
| 11:39.51 | BW^- | right |
| 11:39.58 | BW^- | tespio: any idea what those "patches" could be? |
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| 11:40.39 | tespio | BW^- i dont think you need to worry about what they could be. I think it's just safe to use them as long as you are on a debian install |
| 11:40.51 | BW^- | mhm |
| 11:41.01 | BW^- | tespio: I'm custom-compiling one single module only! |
| 11:41.08 | boudiccas | if i use "rmadison foo" i get https://paste.debian.net/315730/ this is a fresh 64bit jessie install yesterday |
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| 11:41.36 | BW^- | tespio: maybe applying the patch will give me the "-4" postfix to the module files though :) |
| 11:41.40 | BW^- | so i'll try applying the patch :)) |
| 11:41.49 | boudiccas | how do i correct it please? |
| 11:41.55 | BW^- | so i'm in the "~/linux-3.16$" dir, and I have the patch which is 38MB in size, in ../patch-3.16 |
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| 11:43.43 | BW^- | how do you apply the patch file? *hmm* |
| 11:44.11 | BW^- | patch -R ./ ../patch-3.16 |
| 11:44.12 | BW^- | patch: **** File ./ is not a regular file -- can't patch |
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| 11:46.12 | tespio | BW^-: You wish to revert it or ? should go with patch -p1 < patch_file |
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| 11:46.55 | BW^- | tespio: no no i wish to apply the file |
| 11:46.59 | BW^- | for the whole source tree |
| 11:47.03 | BW^- | tespio: at least "patch -p3 ../patch-3.16" does Something! =) |
| 11:47.11 | BW^- | lessee |
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| 11:49.32 | Iridos | boudiccas, I guess check https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=devscripts , find nothing, write a bug report? it's only a frontend to https://qa.debian.org/madison.php so I guess as a workaround can use the web query directly |
| 11:50.30 | boudiccas | ok, thanks |
| 11:50.32 | Iridos | actually, this looks a *bit* to me, as if the website would compress the text |
| 11:50.40 | BW^- | tespio: "patch -R -p3 ../patch-3.16" does nothing, and "patch -p3 ../patch-3.16" too |
| 11:50.41 | BW^- | sigh |
| 11:50.43 | Iridos | and the rmadison scripts don't uncompress them |
| 11:50.46 | ewew | Is this vaild http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/index.html#contents ? |
| 11:50.53 | BW^- | tespio: "patch-3.16" is a 38MB patch file for a whole tree |
| 11:50.55 | BW^- | how apply? |
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| 11:51.34 | Iridos | boudiccas, rmadison on my wheezy system works without problems |
| 11:51.46 | Iridos | judd, versions devscripts |
| 11:51.47 | judd | Package: devscripts on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.10.69+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2.10.69+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 2.12.4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.12.6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.12.6+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.14.11~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.15.3; jessie-backports: 2.15.8~bpo8+1; sid: 2.15.9; stretch: 2.15.9 |
| 11:52.00 | BW^- | ah, "patch -p1 < ../patch-3.16" maybe! =) |
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| 11:52.38 | boudiccas | i had it working on my old jessie machine, but that was i386. yesterday i got this 64bit box so i'm just getting everything working in jessie |
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| 11:54.43 | Iridos | boudiccas, also, as it's just a perl script... you could just get the one from wheezy and run that if you use that a lot. I pasted mine from wheezy here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12780205/ - you could check with vimdiff if and how much your version differs (maybe it doesn't differ at all and the difference is in some of the perl modules it loads) |
| 11:55.18 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 12:13.48 | boudiccas | Iridos, thanks, bug reported. i tried upgrading to the testing version of devscripts but it made no difference. i suspect that i'm missing some font that should've been used |
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| 12:16.04 | x37 | i have this weird issue where i cant press any key more than once in a certain time frame, im wondering if anyone knows of a setting that may cause this |
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| 12:17.12 | BW^- | Learning experience: the "patch-3.16.xz" file on kernel.org, is NOT with the last patches available for the 3.16 kernel, but a diff with the differences from 3.15 to 3.16 ! |
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| 12:20.47 | dcpc007 | hello, why on debian 7, on lvm fs, i have fsck Check interval = 0 (disable) |
| 12:21.03 | dcpc007 | it's a basic install, no custo on this part |
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| 12:32.01 | BW^- | okay so I need to install my debian system, at least its kernel sources and all GCC environment, *not from DVD but from a harddrive*! |
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| 12:32.20 | BW^- | what should I do, download the three ISO:s ?? |
| 12:32.23 | BW^- | DVD ISO.s |
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| 12:34.52 | rf | computer hangs during installation. mem test passes fine |
| 12:35.02 | rf | what are kernel options that I can give to make it most safe as possible? |
| 12:35.41 | ewew | rf What version you are trying to install and what type of media are you using ? |
| 12:37.29 | BW^- | 5 hours download to get all the DVD:s sucks =( |
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| 12:38.04 | ewew | BW^- Why download all of them ? You can use apt to get packages. |
| 12:38.06 | rozie | BW^-: why do you download DVD |
| 12:38.26 | BW^- | ewew: no, because my USB ethernet dongle is CH9200 and is not supported by Debian |
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| 12:38.32 | BW^- | ewew: and my WIFI is Intel 7260 which is not supported by Debian too! |
| 12:38.33 | BW^- | :OOOO |
| 12:38.40 | BW^- | rozie: ^ |
| 12:38.47 | ewew | BW^- No ethernet ? |
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| 12:38.50 | rf | ewew: debian linux 8 amd64, from cdrom. it hangs usually during erasing partition for creation of encrypted partition |
| 12:38.53 | BW^- | ewew,rozie: so it's ridiculous and I tried manually injecting the CH9200 module 3 times |
| 12:39.10 | rozie | you can provide firmware on USB. or use modified (non-free) installer |
| 12:39.14 | BW^- | ewew,rozie: one question: can I take my *other* Debian box and somehow compile my modded 3.6.0 kernel from scratch? |
| 12:39.29 | BW^- | rozie: it's not a firmware question, it's a Linux module support question! |
| 12:39.35 | BW^- | rozie: the CH9200 module was introduced 21 days ago! |
| 12:39.41 | BW^- | rozie: it's supersimple, "ch9200.c" |
| 12:39.56 | BW^- | rozie: but when I compile it on separate box and then put the "ch9200.ko" module in the right place, insmod AND modprobe complain! =( |
| 12:39.57 | rozie | of course you can build package with kernel on any other system |
| 12:40.12 | BW^- | rozie: like how!? I downloaded from kernel.org and did "make" etc! |
| 12:40.28 | BW^- | ("make drivers/net/usb/ch9200.ko" to be more specific :) ) |
| 12:40.31 | rozie | make-kpkg (but IIRC it's obsolete) |
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| 12:40.55 | rf | so anyone knows kernel boot options for a safe boot? |
| 12:41.17 | rf | so anyone knows kernel boot options for a safe run of the debian installer from DVD? actually where can I write the kernel boot options? |
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| 12:41.30 | BW^- | $ make-kpkg |
| 12:41.31 | BW^- | -bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 12:41.35 | BW^- | rozie: how do you suggest? |
| 12:41.40 | ewew | BW^- I suggest to build your own debian installer with localudeb. |
| 12:41.55 | BW^- | ewew: no no shouldn't be needed.. |
| 12:42.02 | BW^- | ewew: anyhow I can just wait for 4 hours to get the DVD:s |
| 12:42.08 | BW^- | this has taken basically 4 hours already |
| 12:42.12 | rozie | BW^-: wajig whichpkg make-kpkg? |
| 12:42.13 | BW^- | I better go do something productive! |
| 12:42.19 | BW^- | rozie: ??? |
| 12:42.24 | BW^- | $ wajig |
| 12:42.25 | BW^- | -bash: wajig: command not found |
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| 12:43.11 | ewew | BW^- https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
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| 12:44.34 | ewew | BW^- https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/04/msg00388.html |
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| 12:45.58 | babamelone | Hi Im using Debian on a very aged laptop (~15 years). But it hangs at startup, recovery works find. When I start network-manager in recovery mode, the computer suspends after a few seconds, when I turn it on again, it will always suspend again after a few seconds. Any ideas? |
| 12:45.58 | ewew | rf Can you tell us what is going on when attempting install ? Does it react to ALT+F4 key combination ? |
| 12:47.32 | Vanfanel | Does anybody know why is my cross-compiler looking for crt*.o in <sysroot>/usr/lib instead of looking for them in <sysroot>/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf, and how can I change that??? |
| 12:47.48 | rf | ewew: seems like a hard lock, no reaction to capslock nor sysrq+b nor anything |
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| 12:48.38 | ewew | rf Where it hangs ? |
| 12:48.49 | ewew | rf What is on screen ? |
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| 12:50.31 | rozie | babamelone: try to disable network manager, if it seems to cause problem |
| 12:50.51 | rozie | you can try to configure network manually or switch to wicd |
| 12:50.55 | babamelone | I guess that it's not the network manager itself |
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| 12:51.52 | babamelone | rozie why should the activation of the network-manager lead to an automated repeating suspend? I guess that there are other services loaded, when I start the network manager |
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| 12:52.55 | ewew | rozie Dont know if this is a good idea but try some kernel parameter, that disable power managment. |
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| 12:54.35 | rf | ok no one here knows kernel parameters that could improve stability e.g. for common hardware problems during install? |
| 12:55.02 | babamelone | ewew how can I disable power management |
| 12:55.14 | BW^- | at what URL can I download the WIFI firmware individually? (so like, all Debian's firmware!) |
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| 12:57.38 | BW^- | aaa, the package URL system is confusing - http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 12:58.12 | BW^- | i.e. at what URL is firmware-iwlwifi.deb for 8.2.0? |
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| 12:59.06 | BW^- | ah, http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.43_all.deb hmmm |
| 12:59.38 | ewew | babamelone What kernel is running on that laptop ? |
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| 13:02.46 | edoardo | Hi everyone |
| 13:03.00 | babamelone | ewew debian 8.2, don't know exactly, I guess 3.16 |
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| 13:05.04 | ewew | babamelone try to boot with acpi=off. |
| 13:06.50 | ewew | babamelone This disables acpi. So be carefull. Dont utilitize the cpu on 100% for long time. |
| 13:07.20 | babamelone | ok |
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| 13:07.41 | edoardo | anyone has experience on screen tearing with Intel and Xfce? |
| 13:08.33 | bazhang | try #xfce edoardo |
| 13:08.44 | edoardo | no replies |
| 13:08.46 | ewew | babamelone Dont you have a low battery ? |
| 13:09.30 | Vanfanel | edoardo: that's expected. Try a wayland-based desktop if you don't want tearing. On Xorg, you will always have tearing unless you use a compositor (and I don't know if Xfce can use that, I don't think so). |
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| 13:09.49 | edoardo | xfce has a default compositor but it has tearing issues |
| 13:09.54 | Vanfanel | So, for the desktop if you're on Xorg, tearing is normal |
| 13:10.08 | edoardo | compton fixes them but i don't know how to configure it well |
| 13:10.26 | babamelone | ewew What has my problem to do with a low battery, and yes, most probably it is low, as it doesn't have any capacity left. |
| 13:10.29 | edoardo | i'd use wayland but someone told me 3d accel support is bad |
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| 13:10.53 | ewew | babamelone Maybe it is triggering the suspend ? |
| 13:11.12 | Vanfanel | edoardo: my advice is to forget about tearing on the desktop for now. But then again, I always use GLES on KMS so no need for lagy dsltop enviroments :P |
| 13:11.18 | Vanfanel | *desktop |
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| 13:11.30 | edoardo | but watching films with fast scenes is a pita |
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| 13:12.13 | Vanfanel | edoardo: select a different backend in your player. Most players will allow you to use an OpenGL or XV backend instead of crappy Xorg one. |
| 13:12.14 | rf | so anyone knows kernel boot options for a safe run of the debian installer from DVD? actually where can I write the kernel boot options? |
| 13:12.38 | ewew | rf At selection screen. |
| 13:12.41 | rf | I am trying such workarounds: acpi=off irqpoll nosmp memory_corruption_check=1 memtest=2 noclflush nohtl libata.dma=0 |
| 13:12.42 | Vanfanel | edoardo: with a different video player backend, you should be able to avoid tearing even if you will always have it on the desktop |
| 13:12.58 | rf | ewew: got any idea what else option could increase chances of kernel not hanging? |
| 13:13.01 | edoardo | Vanfanel: yay |
| 13:13.07 | edoardo | games don't tear since they're opengl |
| 13:13.08 | petn-randall | edoardo: If you have intel, try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Tear-free_video |
| 13:13.12 | petn-randall | edoardo: It works for me. |
| 13:13.24 | edoardo | so i guess setting mpv will solve that |
| 13:13.34 | Vanfanel | edoardo: that's it, so use OpenGL or XV for videos too, instead of Xorg backend :P |
| 13:13.35 | edoardo | what about firefox, though? (html5 youtube videos) |
| 13:13.44 | babamelone | ewew You're just guessing? |
| 13:13.46 | edoardo | petn-randall: i'll take a look at that |
| 13:13.58 | Vanfanel | edoardo: no way to solve that. We'll have to wait for firefox on wayland for that :D |
| 13:13.59 | ewew | rf Maybe it is related to cpu. The kernel needs something, that cpu does not have. My guees. |
| 13:14.16 | edoardo | also |
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| 13:14.32 | edoardo | are the intel drivers included with debian as updated as the ones on 01.org? |
| 13:14.45 | RoyK | rf: do you montor resource use with sysstat/sar or something? |
| 13:15.11 | edoardo | petn-randall: i can't seem to find my xorg.conf, nothing in /etc/X11 |
| 13:15.21 | RoyK | rf: sorry - didn't read the original question |
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| 13:15.57 | petn-randall | edoardo: That's because you don't have one by default. But the howto says that you should create a file somwhere else. |
| 13:16.14 | petn-randall | edoardo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf |
| 13:16.30 | edoardo | there isn't any xorg.conf.d folder |
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| 13:18.41 | petn-randall | edoardo: I guess you have to create one, then. |
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| 13:23.46 | andresr_ | hello , can give me explain me what field in DEBIA/control file i need to use to give multiple dependencies options. ex i want my package 2 possible dependencies package-name-1 and package-name-2 but not both, and it satisfy with the first dependencie found |
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| 13:26.35 | markybob | andresr_, it's Depends: package1 | package2 (instead of comma) |
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| 13:26.58 | markybob | i think anyway. haven't looked at it in a while |
| 13:27.00 | petn-randall | andresr_: You should not be manipulating the binary package, but the source package and building it. |
| 13:27.40 | petn-randall | andresr_: That being said, what markybob said. |
| 13:27.43 | andresr_ | markybob: i was testing that and the problem is it trying to unpack package1 and then apt break |
| 13:28.03 | andresr_ | markybob: because i have already the another package installed and some files shared |
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| 13:28.43 | petn-randall | andresr_: If you have two packages installed that overwrite each other's files, the packages are broken. No amount of apt-foo will help you there. |
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| 13:29.27 | andresr_ | petn-randall: of course i am trying to rebuild the package with the changes needly |
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| 13:30.45 | andresr_ | petn-randall: i have only one installed package2 , but when i trying to install a third package it has package1 | package2 in this order , it trying first unpack and broke the apt because there are some shared files in the system |
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| 13:30.48 | frankslapper | hi: is this version still Valid ? 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u5 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:31.03 | markybob | andresr_, look at 7.4 in https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 13:31.34 | themill | ,kernel --release wheezy |
| 13:31.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
| 13:31.42 | themill | frankslapper: yes |
| 13:31.43 | markybob | andresr_, think that's what you need. but you're really in the wrong place. irc.debian.org #debian-mentors is probably your best bet |
| 13:31.51 | andresr_ | markybob: yeah just this i was reviewing but honestly im not sure how to solve , this doc isnt so clear , and it has a lot of exceptions and flows |
| 13:32.17 | themill | andresr_: two packages cannot own the same file, this is quite clear |
| 13:32.18 | andresr_ | markybob: what is the debian-mentors channel |
| 13:32.29 | frankslapper | themill: thanks |
| 13:32.34 | petn-randall | andresr_: If you're editing DEBIAN/control, you're editing the binary package. |
| 13:33.06 | andresr_ | themill: the problem is the package maintainer want to give support for both, because it is the tipical situation, one is open source version and the another the Comercial version |
| 13:33.52 | themill | there is no need for a file to be owned by two package |
| 13:33.54 | themill | s |
| 13:33.55 | andresr_ | petn-randall: yes i want to rebuild it, isnt the right way? |
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| 13:35.38 | Vanfanel | petn-randall: your advice on intel tearing worked here, awesome... I didn't think it was possible with xorg without an advanced compositor! thanks for that! |
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| 13:37.28 | ntz | hello |
| 13:37.54 | ntz | can anyone remind me, if when I do lvresize -r .... if I have to unmout that filesystem ? -r does resizefs also |
| 13:37.56 | andresr_ | Know somebody about to avoid apt broke when try to install one package have shared files with another already installed in the system |
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| 13:38.57 | petn-randall | andresr_: No, it isn't the right way. You should be editing the *source* package, not the binary package. Also, still, there is no way to "fix" two packages overwriting each other files in apt/dpkg. You need to fix the packages themselves. |
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| 13:39.57 | petn-randall | ntz: No, but you should take extra care that the filesystem was already shrunk when you want to shrink the LV. |
| 13:40.22 | ntz | petn-randall: growing it |
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| 13:41.32 | petn-randall | ntz: Then it's ok to enlarge the LV with -L+<size>, then enlarge the filesystem above it. |
| 13:41.49 | andresr_ | petn-randall: i was thinking it is possible to touch on DEBIAN/control file because it has more options to control the flow of dependencies |
| 13:42.00 | andresr_ | petn-randall: Conflict, break, etc |
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| 13:42.19 | andresr_ | petn-randall: the problem i dont know how to solve the problem exposed |
| 13:42.24 | petn-randall | andresr_: It's as if you're completely ignoring what I'm saying. |
| 13:42.37 | petn-randall | andresr_: Which package are you currently editing? |
| 13:42.51 | ntz | petn-randall: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/91708329 this looks fine I'd guess .... eg there's -tv |
| 13:42.59 | andresr_ | petn-randall: no, i will considerate your option too |
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| 13:43.09 | andresr_ | petn-randall: just need some link to begin |
| 13:43.17 | andresr_ | petn-randall: dokku package |
| 13:43.31 | Che-Anarc | Is there a way to use aptitude `Y` suggestions where prompted? - I tried: `sudo -f -y -q` but still get prompted. |
| 13:43.41 | ntz | petn-randall: and the fs is mounted and there are even access (according to lsof) |
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| 13:44.00 | petn-randall | ntz: This is on jessie? |
| 13:44.30 | ntz | 6.0.10 |
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| 13:45.46 | andresr_ | petn-randall: i was modifying the sources of the package , then, i didnt understand what is your option |
| 13:45.54 | andresr_ | petn-randall: excuse me |
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| 13:46.28 | ntz | petn-randall: ok, thanks .... did it already, looks fine ... thanks for support |
| 13:46.34 | ntz | bye |
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| 13:50.41 | petn-randall | andresr_: If you use "dpkg -x" to extract the package, you're just editing the binary package. You should be using the source from which the binary package is generated from. I can't find dokku in Debian, where is this package from? |
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| 13:51.02 | andresr_ | markybob: btw i was trying but #debian-mentors need invite, can you invite me? |
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| 13:51.33 | andresr_ | petn-randall: is in ubuntu sorry |
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| 13:52.14 | andresr_ | petn-randall: you mean about if i extract the deb file and modify inst the same result if i modify directly on sources files? |
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| 13:52.54 | andresr_ | petn-randall: if i modify the sources files the tgz of the package , extract it, i can see there the same debian folder with the deb files inside |
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| 13:53.35 | andresr_ | petn-randall: no, i was using dpkg-deb -R to extract the deb package |
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| 13:53.52 | andresr_ | petn-randall: but maybe it does the same thing ;) |
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| 13:54.57 | ewew | babamelone Im sure i read about this in acpi documentation/ |
| 13:55.00 | ewew | . |
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| 13:56.35 | otyugh | I'm looking for a podget user, is there some ? |
| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | andresr_: If this is Ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 13:57.21 | andresr_ | petn-randall: obviously ;), thanks anyway, btw it can differ because it is debian packages |
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| 13:57.39 | andresr_ | petn-randall: i will do but sincerely they can return me here again |
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| 13:58.08 | petn-randall | andresr_: Are you preparing packages for a Debian or an Ubuntu system? |
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| 14:03.05 | andresr_ | petn-randall: the target package is for ubuntu but the package is debian |
| 14:03.16 | andresr_ | petn-randall: im trying to understand this, your link https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 14:03.24 | andresr_ | petn-randall: but it is hard ehehe |
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| 14:12.32 | boudiccas | how can i format a 3.6tb drive into two partitions using gparted please? |
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| 14:14.21 | otyugh | boudiccas: the clean way is to recreate the partition table (then losing everything you had on the drive) to what you want msdos/gpt most of the time, and then partition as you wish. |
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| 14:15.03 | vtq | Hello! I have a host without internet access. I can SSH into it, but it can't download packages. Is there a way I can get apt-get to give me the URLs for a package plus any dependencies (even those already installed ones) so that I can download them, scp to the host, and install there? |
| 14:15.05 | nglpx1 | boudiccas: use GPT partitioning and XFS |
| 14:15.14 | boudiccas | theres nothing on the drive, completely new yesterday |
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| 14:15.20 | otyugh | why xfs nglpx1 ? |
| 14:15.21 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 14:16.11 | bhuddah | vtq: if you can ssh can you use a ssh tunnel? |
| 14:16.11 | nglpx1 | it's 64 bit |
| 14:16.36 | otyugh | An XFS file system cannot be shrunk, which would be useful, for example, in some virtualized environments. |
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| 14:16.54 | otyugh | and some desavantages like that |
| 14:17.04 | otyugh | standard is ext4 or btrfs as far as I know |
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| 14:17.13 | rozie | vtq: debug why you cannot reach outside world |
| 14:17.24 | nglpx1 | xfs is a 64 bit fs |
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| 14:17.29 | rozie | probably no nameserver properly configured |
| 14:17.47 | vtq | rozie: completely intentional. It's a thin client and not supposed to have access to the internet |
| 14:17.54 | nglpx1 | for large partitions |
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| 14:18.16 | otyugh | why not using ext4 or btrfs, they also handle large parition |
| 14:18.20 | RoyK | xfs is also way fater at doing the equivalent of fsck, whenever that should be needed. last time I had to fsck a 10TiB filesystem on ext4 (Equallogic storage), it took 9 hours |
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| 14:18.34 | otyugh | mhm |
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| 14:18.44 | otyugh | first time I hear of that :o |
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| 14:18.55 | rozie | vtq: i guess jigdo could that. |
| 14:19.06 | RoyK | otyugh: it's the reason why redhat moved to xfs - to better handle big filesystems |
| 14:19.09 | ewew | or apt-offilne ? |
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| 14:20.12 | vtq | ewew: ooh, that sounds promising, thanks |
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| 14:20.36 | ewew | vtq But i did not used it. So i dont know if it works. |
| 14:20.43 | rozie | or apt-offline |
| 14:21.10 | Che-Anarc | Is there a way to auto-accept solutions proposed by `aptitude` |
| 14:21.11 | Che-Anarc | ? |
| 14:21.27 | rozie | long time ago I had simple Perl script, which parsed Packages/Release for Depends and produced list of all packages |
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| 14:21.45 | rozie | Che-Anarc: -y probably. man aptitude, aptitude --help |
| 14:22.34 | ewew | Che-Anarc This is a good way to break things. |
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| 14:24.04 | rozie | well OK, this script wasnt so simple |
| 14:24.47 | wodim | What's the correct way of choosing a certain nice value for a service? I know I can change its nice value once I have started it but I’d like to know if there’s a way to do that automatically. |
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| 14:26.13 | ewew | wodim Edit the script for that service. |
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| 14:27.06 | cheako | Hello, I'm looking for a bit of help with C programming. I think I've got some missing & or *. |
| 14:28.02 | vtq | cheako: this is probably not the best place, but I can take a look. Put it on pastebin with error messages, please |
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| 14:30.04 | cheako | I though I was ready. |
| 14:30.41 | wodim | ewew: then it’s rewritten when the service is updated. |
| 14:31.16 | vtq | cheako: hmm? |
| 14:31.25 | markybob | cheako, /join #c |
| 14:31.37 | markybob | that's pretty off topic here |
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| 14:31.58 | rozie | wodim: if you want to manage configuration of services automatically, consider ansible/puppet/chef |
| 14:32.16 | wodim | rozie: that would be a little bit overkill imo. I think I’ll just set a cron job. |
| 14:32.30 | rozie | and no, if config files differ from default, installer asks what to do |
| 14:32.42 | wodim | then I’d have to deal with conflicts, etc. I don’t like that solution |
| 14:32.48 | wodim | Thanks for the advice. |
| 14:33.11 | Che-Anarc | rozie, thanks I tried `-y` & `-f` with `aptitude install` however it doesnt actually install / resolve the broken dependencies issues I'm having. |
| 14:33.48 | Che-Anarc | But running it without that does prompt with for `Yes` where it does resolve. |
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| 14:34.19 | rozie | Che-Anarc: apt-get -f install tries to solve that |
| 14:37.02 | Che-Anarc | rozie, & if I'm getting `unmet dependencies` with that method? - how to resolve that? - thats mainly why I'm using aptitude was hoping it could do that. |
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| 14:37.53 | thebwt | is there a document out there that details packaging destination directory best practices? like when to use /sbin vs /usr/sbin ? |
| 14:37.59 | rozie | apt-get update first |
| 14:38.11 | Iridos | wodim, the linux scheduler automatically gives it a lower internal priority the longer it runs and higher priority to short-running (i.e. interactive) processes. The nice value is something you set manually because you already know better than the scheduler. |
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| 14:38.46 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/SjUnemxu I'll ask over in #c |
| 14:39.07 | wodim | Iridos: yes, I know better. |
| 14:39.09 | petn-randall | andresr_: The package isn't from Debian, and it isn't *for* Debian. Thus ask in #ubuntu. We don't support any other distros than Debian in this channel. |
| 14:39.17 | petn-randall | !tell andresr_ -about based on |
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| 14:41.33 | scotepi | I need to install ffmpeg but I don't want x11, I rember doing about 6 months ago with a simple -nox or something |
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| 14:41.40 | Iridos | wodim, what I mean... there seems little point to automate nice values. there are other automatic mechanisms, nice is pretty much meant to be a manual override/correction to them |
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| 14:41.52 | rozie | wodim: reniced - renice running processes based on regular expressions |
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| 14:42.14 | rozie | I misunderstood a question at first |
| 14:42.16 | Iridos | hmm, true, that exists... I still don't see that it makes sense today |
| 14:42.34 | wodim | Iridos: I have a process that runs 24/7 and uses all the CPU it can. I want it to be able to use only the CPU that no other process would use, no matter the conditions. |
| 14:42.49 | petn-randall | scotepi: Which release? |
| 14:43.04 | scotepi | wheezy |
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| 14:43.32 | scotepi | it may have been on jessie I was able to do it. I ran jessie for a while but went back to wheezy for most things |
| 14:44.04 | petn-randall | scotepi: jessie doesn't have ffmpeg, you might have used libav, though. |
| 14:44.19 | Iridos | wodim, well, can't you start it already niced? |
| 14:44.29 | scotepi | I tried that on wheezy and it still wants x11 to be installed |
| 14:44.41 | wodim | Iridos: I guess I can by modifying the script, which is something I do not want to do. |
| 14:44.47 | petn-randall | scotepi: I don't see ffmpeg depending on X11, but you can try adding "--no-install-recommends". |
| 14:45.25 | scotepi | it wants x11-common, I don't think that is the full package though |
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| 14:45.50 | dummys | hi, anyone has made to work Nvidia Optimus and HDMI output for full desktop ? |
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| 14:46.53 | tremon | hi all, how do I stop systemd from repeatedly mounting my filesystems? |
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| 14:47.49 | scotepi | --no-install-recomends didn't work. Looking up x11-common it doesn't look to be a big deal if its installed on a server |
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| 14:49.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i love linux, and OSS there is an app for most anything its amazing, |
| 14:49.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | if i ever have any money i going to donate.. |
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| 15:13.46 | ewew | tremon Can you specifi when it gets mounted ? |
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| 15:14.47 | tremon | ewew: sorry, already followed up on #debian-systemd. The problem is that /boot is listed in fstab as auto, and modifying a partition table causes a uevent that triggers systemd's mount service |
| 15:15.37 | tremon | so the only way to have a minimal (only / mounted) environment is to sprinkle noauto across all of fstab |
| 15:15.38 | ewew | tremon ok. |
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| 15:22.40 | sine` | i just updated debian and iceweasel is HUGE. looks like 640 res. how can I make the browser smaller |
| 15:22.54 | Iridos | an axe? |
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| 15:23.09 | sine` | careful, eugene |
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| 15:24.36 | Iridos | well... don't use the iceweasel-dbg package |
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| 15:25.11 | ewew | Iridos How is it possible to mistake packages ? |
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| 15:26.15 | Iridos | on wheezy, I get Installed-Size: 86308 ... is that "HUGE"? |
| 15:26.31 | Pimp_Whizkid | i think he means the window size |
| 15:26.39 | Iridos | memory? |
| 15:26.49 | otyugh | ram memory, guys |
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| 15:28.06 | tremon | sine`: you can always run a different browser. iceweasel isn't the lightest one out there |
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| 15:28.53 | sine` | http://bal.ms/scr.png |
| 15:28.56 | Pimp_Whizkid | I think he means it literally looks large on screen |
| 15:29.03 | sine` | i mean come on! |
| 15:29.06 | Pimp_Whizkid | did the zoom level get changed? |
| 15:29.19 | daniel_ | Hello everyone, is there any chance to see mesa 11 added to debian jessie-backports as xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.99.917 is already there? |
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| 15:30.03 | sine` | Pimp_Whizkid: that does not affect the topbar tabs etc only the content |
| 15:30.04 | tremon | sine`: weird! that doesn't happen here |
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| 15:30.35 | sine` | I just updated wheezy because I hit a broadband connetion and then when i restar that its like its set for a huge monitor |
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| 15:32.35 | otyugh | zoom level it is. Ctrl+wheel |
| 15:33.48 | sine` | zoom level only affects the content of a webpage... |
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| 15:34.19 | sine` | otherwise your browser would be spazzing out everytime you zoomed in on a pixelated thumbnail pronz |
| 15:34.47 | kaak | is it possible to define a make variable that evaluates a shell expression _every_ time it is referenced? |
| 15:34.59 | otyugh | sine`: then you use some kind of app for disabled people. I always forget the name of the app |
| 15:35.09 | otyugh | kariboo ? |
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| 15:36.17 | sine` | are you for real or are you trolling me ? |
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| 15:36.47 | mah454 | Hello |
| 15:37.19 | mah454 | I installed debian stretch on my laptop and want to install nvidia graphic driver on this . |
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| 15:37.47 | mah454 | this is lspci of my graphic card : 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1) |
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| 15:38.24 | towo` | mah454, this sounds like optimus |
| 15:38.33 | mah454 | after install nvidia driver , sddm display manager not started . |
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| 15:38.44 | towo` | mah454, normal, if it is optimus |
| 15:39.03 | mah454 | towo`: so , what can i do ? |
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| 15:39.14 | towo` | mah454, is it optimus? |
| 15:39.27 | mah454 | towo`: how can understand ? |
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| 15:39.40 | towo` | mah454, lspci | egrep -i "3d|vga|display" |
| 15:40.12 | mah454 | towo`: this : http://pastebin.com/hQvawQx1 |
| 15:40.48 | towo` | mah454, as i sayed, it's optimus |
| 15:41.08 | towo` | mah454, you can't use that chip by easy installing the nvidia-driver |
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| 15:42.05 | towo` | mah454, you want to read https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 15:42.15 | derstrom | mah454: I don't know if this will work in your circumstances since you have optimus but I needed to install and execute nvidia-xconfig which created the X.Org configuration file for the nvidia driver |
| 15:42.36 | towo` | derstrom, no! |
| 15:43.04 | towo` | since the nvidia chip isn't connected to any display-out, it won't work |
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| 15:43.23 | towo` | the nvidia chip is rendering to the intel framebuffer |
| 15:44.09 | mah454 | befor install debian , i used kubuntu 14.10 , on kubuntu nvidia driver installed and work wothout any problem . |
| 15:44.16 | mah454 | sorry for bad english !!! |
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| 15:44.54 | towo` | kubuntu has buildin support for optimus |
| 15:45.04 | towo` | even ubuntu |
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| 15:46.19 | daniel_ | Hello everyone, is there any chance to see mesa 11 added to debian jessie-backports as xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.99.917 is already there? |
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| 15:47.19 | mah454 | towo`: what !!! how did this work ? |
| 15:47.32 | towo` | mah454, ask the ubuntu devs |
| 15:47.33 | NiLon | daniel_ maybe not the best place to ask that :p |
| 15:47.37 | dummys | towo`: since the beggining of the day I'm struggling with this optimus nightmware |
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| 15:47.53 | dummys | I can run optirun glxgears without problem, the card is working |
| 15:48.01 | dummys | but I'm trying to use the HDMI output |
| 15:48.06 | daniel_ | NiLon: do you know where i can ask it? |
| 15:48.18 | towo` | dummys, optimus is crap, which should no one buy |
| 15:48.34 | dummys | and when I connect a dell display at it nvidia-xconfig --get-gpu-info is tellming me that's is connected |
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| 15:48.50 | dummys | but when trying to export display=:8.0 and run optirun stuff |
| 15:48.53 | NiLon | daniel_ well maybe backports-team@debian.org |
| 15:48.55 | dummys | doesn't go to the hdmi output |
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| 15:49.15 | dummys | yes but tell to my boss then to not buy this shit |
| 15:49.21 | daniel_ | thank you NiLon |
| 15:49.25 | dummys | now I'm struggling with it and need to figured it out |
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| 15:49.45 | dummys | and in fact it's not so crap, it's working fine there |
| 15:49.50 | dummys | only the hdmi stuff not working |
| 15:50.07 | dummys | but it keep telling me that it's connected |
| 15:50.52 | NiLon | daniel_ also https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 15:50.57 | towo` | dummys, fine is relative |
| 15:51.33 | towo` | dummys, if you compare the power of nvidia in windows and bumblebee, then it's all other then fine |
| 15:52.04 | dummys | yes |
| 15:52.15 | dummys | but I need to make it works |
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| 15:52.53 | Vtec234 | hello, can i install the testing (stretch) release from the normal small usb stick https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst.en.html here? |
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| 15:54.14 | markybob | Vtec234, https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ that's testing |
| 15:54.48 | tremon | actually, that's the testing installer. Not debian testing |
| 15:55.06 | markybob | "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Stretch Alpha 3 release of the installer" |
| 15:55.11 | markybob | need to read it all |
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| 15:55.55 | tremon | yup. There's also dpkg: |
| 15:56.02 | tremon | !testing installer |
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| 15:56.02 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:56.28 | Iridos | plus, there's the bible... need to read it alllllllll |
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| 15:56.41 | markybob | i'll take an updated wiki over an old factoid |
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| 15:57.14 | Melaneez | Q for a Debian expert. |
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| 15:57.31 | Melaneez | What is the best method of patching Debian servers ? |
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| 15:57.51 | petn-randall | !best |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:58.03 | Vtec234 | !stable->testing |
| 15:58.15 | Vtec234 | !stable testing |
| 15:58.28 | Vtec234 | !stable |
| 15:58.28 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.2); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 15:58.41 | Vtec234 | !testing |
| 15:58.41 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 15:58.47 | tremon | !tell Vtec234 about stable->testing |
| 15:58.49 | t4nk832_ | Hello. I just did a clean install of Debian 8.2 with a dual boot with win 7. My Graphic Card GTX960 is not supported by the open source nvidia driver hence Debian is not booting at all. Not even in recovery mode. Can someone please help |
| 15:59.07 | tremon | odd. it displays in pm |
| 15:59.14 | petn-randall | Melaneez: "unattended-upgrades" is a nice package you might want to look in to. But it strongly depends on your use case. |
| 15:59.18 | daniel_ | Thanks again NiLon |
| 15:59.24 | Iridos | tremon, it's a bug in dpkg |
| 15:59.29 | Iridos | exists for years |
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| 15:59.55 | tremon | ok |
| 15:59.58 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: Why are you crossposting? |
| 16:00.22 | t4nk832_ | I restarted PC :( |
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| 16:01.51 | Vtec234 | Okay, so if i understood correctly i should install Debian jessie using https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/index.en.html and then update to stretch by modifying sources.list. or am i wrong and does this installer install stretch from the start? |
| 16:02.00 | Iridos | I would therefore prefer something like testing-to-stable, but it never got popular |
| 16:02.49 | markybob | Vtec234, it'll install stretch from the start |
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| 16:02.57 | Vtec234 | okay then, thanks |
| 16:03.08 | tremon | Vtec234: you combined the wrong bits :) Either you use the stable installer (https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) and then dist-upgrade, or you use the link you gave and install stretch directly |
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| 16:03.40 | t4nk832_ | :s |
| 16:04.15 | Vtec234 | thanks! |
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| 16:05.03 | t4nk832_ | Can someone please help me out. |
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| 16:05.40 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: How did the instruction I gave you work out? |
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| 16:05.42 | Melaneez | best for patching lol |
| 16:05.46 | Melaneez | security patches |
| 16:05.54 | Melaneez | multiple servers at once |
| 16:05.57 | t4nk832_ | There was no such option when I pressed E |
| 16:06.26 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: In the grub menu, you pressed "e", and what happened? |
| 16:06.42 | Melaneez | ubuntu has landscape, rhel has sattelite, what does debian have ? |
| 16:07.03 | t4nk832_ | It opne a TXT kinda file I tried to look for the text you mentioned to remove. Quiet Splash. It wasnt there |
| 16:07.17 | petn-randall | Melaneez: Full security support for all packages in the distro? |
| 16:07.59 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: there is a line that starts with "linux", remove "quiet" and "splash" from this line, then boot it with F10 (I think). |
| 16:08.01 | Melaneez | well the base at least |
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| 16:08.20 | Melaneez | but that would be.. nice |
| 16:08.33 | tremon | Melaneez: debian does not have its own orchestration software. There's already puppet, chef, salt, so why build another? |
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| 16:08.46 | petn-randall | Melaneez: Ubuntu only gives security support for 10% of all packages, and RHEL doesn't support distro upgrades, so Debian has that going for ya. :) |
| 16:08.49 | t4nk832_ | THere was no quiet or splash man |
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| 16:09.04 | t4nk832_ | I checked the entire page |
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| 16:09.52 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: It looks like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/BnUQa.png |
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| 16:10.47 | Melaneez | ok, that doesnt answer my question but thanks |
| 16:11.01 | t4nk832_ | Ok I will go check again |
| 16:11.10 | t4nk832_ | I have to remove the text right |
| 16:11.19 | Melaneez | nevermind I see you said it doesn't ahve it |
| 16:11.22 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: Yes, so you can see what the error message is. |
| 16:11.28 | Melaneez | there is rudder, for debian |
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| 16:11.58 | Melaneez | but it doesn't seem to have the exact abilities as landscape for ubuntu |
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| 16:12.21 | t4nk832_ | Error Messege is shown Unknown Chipset error |
| 16:12.23 | Melaneez | tremon: care to provide a primer on puppet for debian ? |
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| 16:12.44 | t4nk832_ | DRM3 failed to create etc |
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| 16:13.17 | petn-randall | t4nk832_: Then either ask in #nvidia, or start over with a fresh install. Reverting the changes of the nvidia installer is probably going to be more work. |
| 16:13.43 | t4nk832_ | It is a fresh install. I havent touched anything. |
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| 16:13.57 | t4nk832_ | I got some people with ways to update nvidia driver through Terminal |
| 16:14.07 | Melaneez | I'd rather not have to re-invent the wheel |
| 16:14.09 | t4nk832_ | But I cant reach terminal |
| 16:14.19 | t4nk832_ | How to start Terminal from Grub |
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| 16:16.22 | Iridos | Melaneez, is this for security patches/upgrades that come from the distribution or from you? |
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| 16:17.43 | tremon | Melaneez: I'm not any kind of authority on puppet, I'm currently exploring salt instead. |
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| 16:18.02 | Melaneez | Iridos: both ultimately |
| 16:18.10 | Melaneez | tremon: thanks anyway. |
| 16:18.34 | tremon | Melaneez: maybe this: http://www.credativ.co.uk/credativ-blog/2010/03/howto-introduction-to-puppet but your favourite search engine can give you more :) |
| 16:19.04 | Melaneez | tremon: yeah I've got the puppet vm tutorial and all that already, but like I said was hoping to not have to start from scratch |
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| 16:19.48 | Melaneez | rudder-project.org is the closest thing I've found |
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| 16:20.36 | Iridos | that's not too useful an answer... they're very different problems |
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| 16:21.05 | Iridos | how many machines do you have, do they have identical hardware, are they in their own nat... |
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| 16:21.57 | Melaneez | Iridos: well my apologies for not being too concise, this is for about 500 VMs, identical, will be using a local mirror repo |
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| 16:22.42 | Melaneez | Iridos: the preliminary patches will be for the distro, security, then maintenance, any others will be addressed at a later time |
| 16:23.01 | Melaneez | Iridos: does that help? |
| 16:23.14 | petn-randall | Melaneez: If it's *only* about security updates, unattended-upgrades will do enough. If you want centralised configuration management, you might want to look into puppet/chef/ansible/salt/etc regardless of the update problem. |
| 16:24.14 | Melaneez | petn-randall: thanks, that is currently a WIP but wanted some extra advice from the experts if possible |
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| 16:24.26 | Iridos | I mean... security updates *from* the distro, is just running "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade " or so on all machines, if there are a lot of machines, possibly with a small debmirror or apt-mirror or perhaps some proxying solution to keep networking sane |
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| 16:24.39 | Iridos | if you want to play your own stuff on top of distro things... well... |
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| 16:25.13 | Melaneez | Iridos: yes the problem is i have to be very particular about the distro upgrades, testing each before implementing and verifying any discrepencies... |
| 16:25.37 | petn-randall | Iridos: You don't want to run that by hand on 500+ VMs. |
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| 16:25.51 | Melaneez | Iridos: extremely security conscious environment |
| 16:26.01 | Iridos | petn-randall, nops :) |
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| 16:26.32 | Iridos | but if it is *just* that, cron could run it periodically... and you would test it with your test-mirror first and then put the packages on the production-mirror or somesuch |
| 16:26.46 | Melaneez | so.. the problem is I need to be able to run reports etc over the span of the testing cycle prior to implmentation |
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| 16:29.03 | Iridos | but 500 are most likely worth to look at more full-blown solutions anyway |
| 16:29.09 | tremon | I had a feeling it was headed in that direction :) |
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| 16:29.58 | tremon | so what you really want is a staged-updates solution, i.e. you want a separate updates "channel" for approved updates to apply to your production machines |
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| 16:30.42 | tremon | I know it's been done before, but haven't been able to find public references just now |
| 16:30.49 | LordShadowWing | Does Debian have secureboot files |
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| 16:30.57 | LordShadowWing | key files and the like |
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| 16:31.14 | Iridos | Melaneez, someone favourably mentioned ansible lately. there's a package for it in debian. guess you could at least "apt-cache show ansible" |
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| 16:31.51 | Melaneez | Indeed. Thanks all. |
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| 16:32.28 | tremon | LordShadowWing: no. You can generate signatures yourself, but fafaik there are no packages to help you |
| 16:32.52 | LordShadowWing | tremon: How Would I generate the sigs? |
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| 16:34.13 | tremon | LordShadowWing: http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/uefi-secure-boot/ for example |
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| 16:36.33 | tremon | LordShadowWing: be aware that if you do so, you should also create a trigger/check that re-signs your bootloader whenever it is upgraded |
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| 16:52.32 | jhutchins | Melaneez: Definitely look at ansible. Lots of docs on the web. |
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| 17:03.43 | jhutchins | LordShadowWing: Given that the whole idea behind is to prevent you from loading anything but the original operating syste... |
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| 17:04.09 | LordShadowWing | jhutchins: This is a Custom Machine |
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| 17:08.30 | jhutchins | Siente: It will appear to be the size of the image. |
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| 17:15.44 | jhutchins | Siente: That's because windows sees the partition that the image was on and is formatting that. |
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| 17:17.20 | Che-Anarc | I'm having trouble getting aptitude to auto resolve issues with `aptitude -q -r -f -y install libperl5.14 libsnmp15` I see suggestions but it doesnt install and just goes over `y` - manually however it works with I `Y` to suggestions - am I doing something wrong? |
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| 17:25.49 | tremon | Che-Anarc: please paste the entire command and output to a pastebin (e.g. paste.debian.net) |
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| 17:27.46 | Vladimirski | anybody know how to use iscsiadm command to login manually into a session? |
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| 17:33.08 | Che-Anarc | trem0r, https://paste.debian.net/315791/ - if I can resolve this I would regain some of my sanity lost :-p |
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| 17:34.48 | Wicked | I'd like to run a program (in fact, qbittorrent) at startup, on the second desktop. How could I do that, please ? |
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| 17:36.41 | hawaii | "Second desktop"? |
| 17:36.49 | hawaii | Are you talking about a workspace? |
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| 17:38.00 | teclo- | well you gotta move your desk |
| 17:38.05 | teclo- | move your furniture |
| 17:39.11 | aphorise | Wicked if its in the context of kde you may want something like: http://l10n.kde.org/docs/admin/autostart-and-runonce.html or Gnome: https://developer.gnome.org/autostart-spec/ |
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| 17:39.36 | aphorise | Wicked also your application workspace / where its launch in gnome is subject to where it was last launched / closed. |
| 17:39.52 | Wicked | aphorise: Thanks for your help :) |
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| 17:40.16 | teclo- | http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-12-29 |
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| 18:06.53 | ag4ve | how do i figure out which physical pci card i'm looking at (or is missing) ? |
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| 18:07.37 | ag4ve | it seems i have two physical pcie controllers and one is missing a video card - idk which |
| 18:08.48 | ag4ve | (it's remote - i can't plug a monitor into it and it wouldn't display anything anything - gpu is used to compute stuff - not game) |
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| 18:11.35 | ag4ve | mmm, maybe only one pcie controller - not totally sure |
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| 18:11.54 | ag4ve | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8849281 |
| 18:12.03 | abferm | systemd-machine-id-setup generates a random id, I want mine to be based on a serial number. |
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| 18:18.57 | Vtec234 | Hello, i'm on debian stretch and ran a dist-upgrade which set the kernel to 4.2.0-1. i'm on kde, and the sddm-greeter crashes. is ther a way to get into the kde desktop without passing through the greeter, or otherwise fixing the greeter? |
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| 18:20.09 | ewew | Vtec234 This channel is for debian stable. |
| 18:20.15 | mtn | Vtec234: you can start it from the command line, after turning sddm off, or use kdm instead |
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| 18:21.34 | Vtec234 | ewew: which channel to go to for debian testing? |
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| 18:22.12 | ewew | #debian-next at irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:24.19 | Vtec234 | thanks |
| 18:26.37 | Pymous_ | Hey ! I have a weird question |
| 18:26.51 | Pymous_ | Does anybody know a good firewall with a webadmin ? |
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| 18:32.43 | daniel__ | With kde (frameworks or whatever the desktop is called now) in unstable I'm often seeing things like file dialogs where the UI layout is totally broken on two different machines. |
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| 18:33.27 | mtn | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 18:34.08 | daniel__ | ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.58 | tete_ | hi, i would like to install dovecot-sieve. i used dovecot 2.2.x from another repository, then dropped that and installed the regular debian version. but seems like there is some zombie package in my system |
| 18:47.59 | tete_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.04 | tete_ | can someone tell me how i can get rid of that? |
| 18:48.17 | tete_ | dpkg -l | grep sieve shows nothing |
| 18:48.17 | dpkg | ii | grep sieve shows nothing 3.6-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 18:49.46 | trickshotjohnny | dovecot has more than one package. you probably still have one of the packages from the other version still installed |
| 18:50.15 | trickshotjohnny | try dpkg -l | grep dovecot and remove anything before starting fresh |
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| 18:51.18 | tete_ | thanks, you are right, there are still some of them bpo70 packages |
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| 18:54.58 | Che-Anarc | Can anyone suggest how I can get aptitude to perform its suggestion rather than going over it? https://paste.debian.net/315791/ - |
| 18:55.44 | tete_ | trickshotjohnny, can you tell me how i can get rid of these bpo packages when i use apt-cache? |
| 18:55.50 | tete_ | something like cleaning the deb database? |
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| 18:57.33 | pacorro2000 | Hi, anyone know why the nautilus file explorer package continues in version 3.14 in the testing branch |
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| 18:58.08 | Che-Anarc | tete_, you dont mean removing the application itself via `apt-get purge` forexample? |
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| 18:58.41 | tete_ | no not removing the application, when i use apt-cache for searching e.g. dovecot |
| 18:58.53 | tete_ | i dont want all those old bpo packages like dovecot-antispam to appear as its hardly confusing |
| 18:58.56 | jelly | pacorro2000: see the 3.18 status link at http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html |
| 18:58.58 | jhutchins | ,v natutilus |
| 18:58.59 | judd | No package named 'natutilus' was found in amd64. |
| 18:59.05 | tete_ | i tried apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean, but they are still listed |
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| 18:59.37 | Che-Anarc | tete_ I think thats in your /etc/sources perhaps or therein `sources.d` |
| 18:59.57 | tete_ | Che-Anarc, no its not, there are the repos defined, but i use only the default debian ones now |
| 18:59.58 | Che-Anarc | tete_, /etc/apt/sources |
| 19:00.14 | jhutchins | ,v nautilus |
| 19:00.15 | judd | Package: nautilus on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-2squeeze2; wheezy: 3.4.2-1+build1; jessie: 3.14.1-2; stretch: 3.14.2-1; sid: 3.18.0-2 |
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| 19:01.16 | jhutchins | pacorro2000: Because nothing newer has passed through sid. |
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| 19:01.43 | pacorro2000 | jelly: thanks for the link, let me read it |
| 19:02.39 | jhjkh | debian 8 - nginx - php-fpm - mysql, wordpress and forumsoftware = ok, now install moodle, nginx rewrite problems >no picture during installation and then only index.php for download, not more, after many changes i have error, when i type : service php-fpm restart, now what could i do? php-fpm reinstall? server reinstall? |
| 19:03.18 | jelly | pacorro2000: alright. After that, click on the PTS link for your desired application |
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| 19:05.24 | badn3wz | hello, can someone help me find my mysql database backup? |
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| 19:05.47 | badn3wz | i just upgraded to jessie and during the process i had a failed attempt at upgrading mysql |
| 19:06.21 | badn3wz | it said that it made a back up but i did not write down where was that backup |
| 19:06.31 | badn3wz | and now i can't find it:/ |
| 19:06.41 | jelly | pacorro2000: PTS has information about development, including "testing migrations" |
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| 19:08.38 | tremon | badn3wz: usually in /var/backups |
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| 19:10.02 | badn3wz | tremon: nothing with mysql in there :/ |
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| 19:10.14 | steelman | hello |
| 19:10.16 | steelman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.21 | pacorro2000 | jelly: honestly I do not know much, but I can see is that they are doing a great job and the version 3.18 has been accepted into the unstable branch. |
| 19:10.26 | RoyK | badn3wz: mysqldump is the way to backup mysql databases |
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| 19:10.45 | steelman | I'd like to add a new one for a device I own. |
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| 19:11.07 | badn3wz | rox: yeah i didn't do that before upgrade |
| 19:11.08 | tremon | badn3wz: I have backups there named /var/backups/$database.sql.gz |
| 19:11.10 | RoyK | badn3wz: if you didn't dump the database first, you'll need to try to fix it somehow |
| 19:11.29 | RoyK | badn3wz: just don't use mysql, that's the first line |
| 19:11.36 | trickshotjohnny | tete_: the bpo packages are from the debian backports repos. just removing them and reinstalling should be enough. |
| 19:12.01 | badn3wz | tremon: all i have is apt-related stuff + group, passwd, shadow |
| 19:12.39 | tremon | oh well. I can't think of another place where a backup would be dumped |
| 19:12.39 | jhutchins | badn3wz: How did the upgrade fail? What error messages? |
| 19:13.26 | RoyK | jhutchins: probably an outdated database |
| 19:13.36 | badn3wz | RoyK: i do have backup from about 6am, its a small forum so not much would be lost but i'd rather get fix it if i can |
| 19:13.57 | RoyK | badn3wz: backup of a dump or the binary files? |
| 19:14.27 | badn3wz | jhutchins: phpmyadmin: Table 'pma__userconfig' already exists |
| 19:14.42 | RoyK | badn3wz: also, is this a physical server or a vm? do you have a snapshot somewhere? |
| 19:14.49 | badn3wz | RoyK: dump, i'm using automysqlbackup |
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| 19:15.28 | badn3wz | RoyK: vps, dont think i do have one |
| 19:15.35 | jhjkh | how can i make a "snapshot" on a physical server? backup? how? |
| 19:16.10 | RoyK | badn3wz: if you have a dump, just dump what's left to another place, drop the databases and import the old dump |
| 19:16.30 | RoyK | jhjkh: well, if you have zfs/btrfs it's trivial to snapshot things |
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| 19:19.52 | badn3wz | RoyK: i actually have only information_schema in there right now, dunno why |
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| 19:23.00 | RoyK | badn3wz: try to dump those databases for backup and import them from the dumps |
| 19:25.24 | jhjkh | debian 8 - nginx - php-fpm - mysql, wordpress and forumsoftware = ok, now install moodle, nginx rewrite problems >no picture during installation and then only index.php for download, not more, after many changes i have error, when i type : service php-fpm restart, now what could i do? php-fpm reinstall? server reinstall? |
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| 19:27.54 | trickshotjohnny | jhjkh: sounds like a URL path issue. make sure you're properly splitting the SCRIPT_NAME and PATH_INFO properly |
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| 19:28.14 | trickshotjohnny | I've had that beat me down so many times with nginx |
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| 19:44.59 | daca_ | Hello |
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| 19:45.37 | daca_ | I am using debian xfce now but i cant mount mtp devices. I guess I should use another file manager. Which one do you guys recommend? |
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| 19:46.03 | daca_ | That is compatible with xfce? |
| 19:46.14 | lysobit_t | How do I get reconfigure grub properly after restoring a full server backup onto a different hard drive? I've tried dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc in chroot on a live CD but still doesn't boot, and I can't see the boot sequence as I don't have KVM to the server |
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| 19:46.38 | lysobit_t | And grub-update, grub-install on the main hard drive... |
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| 19:57.54 | BW^- | What's the single easiest way to connect to the WPA/WPA2 pre-shared key WLAN with ESSID X (e.g. "POTATO") with password Y ? |
| 19:57.56 | BW^- | one-shot, from the console |
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| 19:58.52 | BW^- | sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid Wifi2Home key s:ABCDE12345 |
| 19:58.53 | BW^- | aha |
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| 19:59.07 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
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| 19:59.33 | tremon | BW^-: last I checked, iwconfig only authenticated to wep-based access points. you may want to use wpa_cli |
| 19:59.46 | tobiasBora | I have a question : how can I get the informations of the argument of the USB_DEVICE_AND_INTERFACE_INFO(x,x,x,x) for a given device ? |
| 20:00.07 | AR45 | Does http://httpredir.debian.org/ still work? |
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| 20:00.14 | nkuttler | BW^-: yeah, wpa stuff.. i just use network-manager, i think it has a cli as well |
| 20:00.20 | tobiasBora | I tried lsusb, I think that the XXXX:YYYY are the two first arguments, but I don't know which are the lasts arguments |
| 20:01.04 | BW^- | ok! |
| 20:01.08 | AR45 | Here are some errors I'm getting from using it https://paste.debian.net/315810/ |
| 20:01.09 | BW^- | mhm |
| 20:01.10 | BW^- | ! |
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| 20:02.35 | tremon | AR45: works fine here both the server itself and the debian/ redirector |
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| 20:04.41 | AR45 | tremon: Have I done something wrong in my sources? https://paste.debian.net/315812/ |
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| 20:05.37 | tremon | AR45: stable/updates is only found on the security mirror, so lose line 10 |
| 20:06.07 | tremon | or change it to stable-updates which does exist, and is the old stable-volatile repo |
| 20:07.17 | AR45 | tremon: Thanks man! |
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| 20:12.21 | drpresident | hey guys can you give me some help with graphics drivers? |
| 20:12.59 | drpresident | ive been trying to get my x server to run after a kernel upgrade for two days now and nothing is woring |
| 20:13.14 | towo` | drpresident, no one can help you |
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| 20:13.24 | drpresident | why not? |
| 20:13.25 | towo` | drpresident, because no one knows your hardware |
| 20:13.44 | towo` | or do you think there is only 1 graphics hardware? |
| 20:13.48 | jhutchins_wk | drpresident: What kernel, on what release, what drivers for what chipset. |
| 20:13.52 | drpresident | no i know there isnt |
| 20:14.16 | drpresident | im using proprietary nvidia drivers on debian jessie kernel version 4 |
| 20:14.47 | drpresident | i dont know the exact card im download nvidia-detect rn to check |
| 20:14.59 | towo` | and you are sure, you hevae even the headers installed? |
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| 20:15.28 | drpresident | gtx 570 is my card |
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| 20:15.32 | drpresident | the linux-headers? |
| 20:15.37 | towo` | sure |
| 20:15.47 | towo` | matching the running kernel-version |
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| 20:16.24 | drpresident | how do i find my exact kernel version? |
| 20:16.29 | towo` | uname -a |
| 20:16.57 | drpresident | yeah their installed |
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| 20:17.24 | towo` | drpresident, and what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
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| 20:18.07 | trickshotjohnny | tobiasBora: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/usb.h#L958 |
| 20:18.22 | drpresident | the errors are failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module |
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| 20:18.33 | towo` | drpresident, and now? |
| 20:18.41 | towo` | drpresident, dkms status sayes what? |
| 20:18.46 | drpresident | no devices detected & no screens found |
| 20:19.05 | towo` | drpresident, that's clear, without kernel-module, no x |
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| 20:20.11 | jhutchins_wk | drpresident: What happens if you boot to the early v.3 kernel? |
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| 20:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | s/early/earlier/ |
| 20:22.08 | drpresident | how do i make sure the module is running? modprobe says it cant find "nvidia_current" |
| 20:22.43 | towo` | because it was not built |
| 20:22.48 | cxd13 | how could i make my system execute a script whenever i choose to shut down the computer, and then shutdown when its finished? would i alias the "shutdown" command to something else ? |
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| 20:23.17 | towo` | 2 possible reasons, no headers matching the running kernel or the driver does not support your kernel-version |
| 20:23.17 | drpresident | how do i build it? |
| 20:23.44 | drpresident | i didnt see any errors when installing the drivers |
| 20:23.52 | towo` | dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:24.24 | drpresident | that looks like its rebuilding for my kernel |
| 20:24.38 | drpresident | it says bad return status for my kerne |
| 20:25.13 | towo` | drpresident, and that you title "no error"? |
| 20:25.33 | jhutchins_wk | towo`: Do you know if the current nvidia drivers are kernel 4 compatible? |
| 20:25.36 | towo` | drpresident, btw, the make.log states clear, what's wrong |
| 20:25.44 | drpresident | no i hadnt tried running that |
| 20:25.50 | drpresident | where do i find the make.log? |
| 20:26.00 | towo` | jhutchins_wk, i use sid so i don't know |
| 20:26.20 | drpresident | should i switch to wheezy and reinstall and reconfigure? |
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| 20:26.41 | towo` | jhutchins_wk, since 4.1 is in bpo and nvidia too, i would say the bpo-driver is patched |
| 20:27.02 | towo` | drpresident, /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/340.93/build/make.log |
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| 20:27.22 | towo` | drpresident, you know, that wheezy is oldstable? |
| 20:27.45 | drpresident | i thought it was just past stable |
| 20:27.52 | drpresident | what is stable? |
| 20:27.59 | towo` | jessie |
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| 20:28.09 | drpresident | ok thats what im using i had the names confused sorry |
| 20:29.32 | drpresident | the make.log is telling me the kernel config is invallid and to make oldconfig && make prepare on kernel src |
| 20:29.38 | drpresident | where would i find the kernel src? |
| 20:29.46 | towo` | you don't need the source |
| 20:29.56 | towo` | you only need matching headers |
| 20:30.06 | towo` | but you only tell prosa, no facts |
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| 20:30.13 | drpresident | what do you mean? |
| 20:30.44 | towo` | drpresident, you tell no facts |
| 20:30.59 | towo` | drpresident, show us uname -a |
| 20:31.03 | drpresident | im just telling you what i see |
| 20:31.21 | drpresident | im in a termina session switching to another to run commands so i dont think i can copy and paste into here |
| 20:31.32 | towo` | drpresident, pastebin dpkg -l | egrep -i "image|headers" | grep linux |
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| 20:32.04 | drpresident | that will paste it here? |
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| 20:33.32 | jhutchins_wk | drpresident: The gpm daemon will give you full mouse capability |
| 20:33.40 | drpresident | Linux graybox 4.2.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.2.1-2 (2015-09-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:33.58 | drpresident | how do i run the gpm daemon? i just typed it over exactly as i see it |
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| 20:35.30 | towo` | 4.2.0-1-amd64 that's not a jessie-kernel |
| 20:35.38 | towo` | that's the kernel from testing |
| 20:37.05 | drpresident | is sid testing? |
| 20:37.13 | trickshotjohnny | stretch is testing |
| 20:37.17 | towo` | no, sid is unstable |
| 20:37.18 | tremon | sid is unstable |
| 20:37.24 | trickshotjohnny | sid is always unstable, just like in the movie |
| 20:37.45 | ewew | sid= still in development |
| 20:37.50 | drpresident | i think i was on stretch before i switched my repos to jessie so could that be causing the problem? |
| 20:38.27 | towo` | drpresident, again, your problem is, you have no matching headers for your running kernel |
| 20:38.47 | drpresident | how do i get those? when i tried to install them it said they were installed |
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| 20:38.50 | tremon | yes. downgrades are not really supported, and at this point in the development cycle mixing stable and testing is very messy |
| 20:39.07 | towo` | drpresident, and as jhutchins_wk is saying before, boot the earliere kernel and you will have x |
| 20:39.23 | drpresident | last time i did that i ran into the same problem but i will go try that |
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| 20:39.53 | drpresident | thank you for your help i will move my repos back thank you for your help i may be back |
| 20:39.58 | towo` | drpresident, and i asked you earlier about the output of dkms status |
| 20:40.08 | towo` | then not |
| 20:40.18 | Jaga-Jaga | my wlan0 goes down at random, from time to time, then i up it and works like a charm. what could it be ? |
| 20:42.20 | ewew | Jaga-Jaga What is in dmesg log ? |
| 20:42.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's rf, so it could be anything. it could be cosmic rays. |
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| 20:45.01 | drpresident | i just did a restart and put my old sources.list back |
| 20:45.05 | Jaga-Jaga | ewew: where exactly should i look for that log ? |
| 20:45.15 | drpresident | so then just update upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 20:45.49 | ewew | Jaga-Jaga What looks like a error or segfault. Device comming up and down. |
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| 20:46.44 | Iridos | Jaga-Jaga, type dmesg on the command-line. (or dmesg | less - but the end is newest) |
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| 20:48.18 | Jaga-Jaga | ewew: Iridos https://paste.debian.net/315817/ |
| 20:50.04 | mcfrisk | Hi, just did an innocent 'apt-get build-dep libdrm' on unstable and got: dpkg: udev: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: systemd depends on udev |
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| 20:51.12 | mcfrisk | and it seems I lost all xserver-xorg packages as well. Is there some big transition going on which I missed on sid? |
| 20:52.16 | Iridos | I think that's why it's called "unstable" :D ... you better ask that question on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, though, more people running testing/unstable are there |
| 20:53.36 | Jaga-Jaga | ewew: did you see what dmesg says ? |
| 20:53.51 | mcfrisk | Iridos: oops, I thought I joined #debian-next. Will try again there, thanks. |
| 20:54.17 | Iridos | mcfrisk, this here is also freenode, not oftc |
| 20:54.54 | ewew | Jaga-Jaga Do you have static IPv6 address ? |
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| 20:55.50 | mcfrisk | ah, Freenode is also forwarding from #debian-next to here... |
| 20:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | Jaga-Jaga: What chipset is it? lspci -nn |
| 20:56.08 | jhutchins_wk | mcfrisk: Right, because debian-next is on oftc.net |
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| 20:56.18 | Iridos | is there some significance to that constant switch between userif-3 and userif-0? |
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| 20:56.35 | frankslapper | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.39 | frankslapper | oops |
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| 20:58.54 | ewew | Jaga-Jaga Do you have any other wifi networks in range ? |
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| 20:59.39 | Iridos | oh, it's not invite-only anymore, then |
| 20:59.42 | droopy | Help, I can't install unrar |
| 20:59.47 | droopy | 'apt-get install unrar' does nothing |
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| 20:59.54 | Iridos | no, it is... oh well |
| 21:00.04 | droopy | Actually, it says 'E: Package 'unrar' has no installation candidate |
| 21:00.06 | droopy | ' |
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| 21:00.27 | droopy | How do you unrar .rars in debian? |
| 21:00.33 | droopy | You don't, because unrar doesn't exist on debian? |
| 21:00.43 | jhutchins_wk | ,v unrar |
| 21:00.45 | judd | Package: unrar on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1+deb7u1; jessie/non-free: 1:5.2.7-0.1; stretch/non-free: 1:5.3.2-1; sid/non-free: 1:5.3.2-1 |
| 21:00.51 | Iridos | droopy, the package is in non-free, because it's not free software |
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| 21:01.03 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: _rar_ isn't packaged by debian. |
| 21:01.07 | Jaga-Jaga | ewew: i have tons of wifi APs in range |
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| 21:01.24 | droopy | So how do you accomplish unraring a file free of charge? |
| 21:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | Jaga-Jaga: That could very well be the problem. |
| 21:01.30 | ch077179 | Hi, my xorg configuration is mucked up. xorg -configure fails. here's the log: http://textuploader.com/ab3hf |
| 21:01.33 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: You unrar it. |
| 21:01.38 | ch077179 | any help much appreciated |
| 21:01.49 | droopy | jhutchins_wk: can't unrar anything when 'unrar: command not found' |
| 21:01.49 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: Enable non-free, install unrar. |
| 21:01.52 | ch077179 | startx works though |
| 21:02.03 | derstrom | droopy: By non-free, it means it is gratis but the license is incompatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 21:02.05 | Silmarilion | Hi, for some reason I am missing twe second monitor when I go to display config in xfce? How can I add it |
| 21:02.13 | ewew | Jaga-Jaga That could be a reason why you are disconnecting or wifi driver in linux has some bugs. Can not tell for sure what is causing trouble. |
| 21:02.17 | droopy | How do I add the non-free repository? |
| 21:02.18 | jhutchins_wk | ch077179: WHy do you need a conf file? |
| 21:02.42 | derstrom | droopy: https://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
| 21:02.45 | ch077179 | jhutchins_wk: my system drops me to a prompt login instead of a gui login |
| 21:03.07 | ch077179 | x doesn't start when I boot the system regularly |
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| 21:03.53 | jhutchins_wk | ch077179: What chipset? |
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| 21:04.01 | derstrom | droopy: Yours will likely look like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable" - add "contrib non-free" to the end if you want to download packages from the non-free area. Then execute "sudo apt-get update" (or "su", then "apt-get update") to update the cache |
| 21:04.08 | jhutchins_wk | ch077179: That implies there's a setting error in your dm config. |
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| 21:04.21 | droopy | derstrom: Thanks, I was able to add the non-free repo with your first link |
| 21:04.35 | droopy | I was able to download unrar and unrar my file. ++ |
| 21:04.42 | derstrom | droopy: No problem. |
| 21:05.00 | jhutchins_wk | ch077179: For most systems, X runs fine without any config file. |
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| 21:05.39 | harovali | hi, there is an excecutable binary , which owner "me" and group "me". It is marked suid. I expect that de EUID become 'me' , but instead it continues to be 'thelogedin_user'. Isn't it suposed that if a file is suid the EUID becomes the file's owner , and thus the files created by it will have as the creator the owner of the executable binary? |
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| 21:09.20 | ch077179 | jhutchins_wk: how do I get debian to boot into the gui then? |
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| 21:10.04 | Silmarilion | which login manager debian uses for xfce instalation? |
| 21:10.09 | asterismo | hi ppl, is gimp shipped with jessie supporting 16bit tifs? |
| 21:10.37 | ch077179 | I just verifiet that there's no xorg.conf in any of the places listed in man xorg |
| 21:10.40 | nkuttler | asterismo: which version does? |
| 21:11.00 | asterismo | i dunno |
| 21:11.05 | nkuttler | ,v gimp |
| 21:11.06 | judd | Package: gimp on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze4; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze4; wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.14-1+b1; sid: 2.8.14-1.2; stretch: 2.8.14-1.2 |
| 21:11.10 | nkuttler | well, figure it out |
| 21:11.27 | nkuttler | asterismo: or ask in the gimp channel i guess |
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| 21:23.28 | badn3wz | anybody know how to get nginx play nicely with php5-fpm? |
| 21:24.09 | badn3wz | i keep getting 'connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock failed (2: No such file or directory) while connecting to upstream' |
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| 21:28.23 | droopy | How do I clean my cpu cooler and gpu fans? |
| 21:28.30 | droopy | They're full of dust but the compressed air does nothing |
| 21:28.58 | RoyK | droopy: unplug them firt, then use a vacuum cleaner |
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| 21:29.17 | droopy | I hear vacuum causes devastating static electricity |
| 21:29.22 | edjix | i've uaed clean dry rags before |
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| 21:29.32 | RoyK | droopy: if you don't unplug them first, it may damage things |
| 21:29.42 | RoyK | droopy: if you do, there's no problem |
| 21:30.00 | finalFocus | I would avoid a vacuum cleaner. |
| 21:30.01 | RoyK | droopy: there's no static, only dynamic |
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| 21:30.24 | RoyK | droopy: no unplugging them may induce high voltages into the motherboard |
| 21:30.45 | finalFocus | If your really bother you can remove the heat sinks and fire a few short bursts of compressed air into the bottom of them |
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| 21:31.22 | RoyK | someone should learn how electricity works before answering :P |
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| 21:32.44 | droopy | finalFocus: Well my PSU started to melt so I think dust is a big deal lol |
| 21:33.12 | RoyK | anyway - if trying to clean dust |
| 21:33.19 | RoyK | unplug fans and vacuum them |
| 21:33.28 | RoyK | don't vacuum things that are plugged |
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| 21:33.52 | RoyK | it'll induce high voltage into the board |
| 21:34.32 | badn3wz | anyone know how to solve 'connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock failed (2: No such file or directory) while connecting to upstream' ? |
| 21:34.35 | finalFocus | droopy, yeah that sounds a problem alight... |
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| 21:37.54 | trickshotjohnny | RoyK is correct, the vacuum would cause the rotor to turn which would induce an AC current from the fan motor's back EMF |
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| 21:41.32 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: If compressed air doesn't do it, there's probably something in the dust that's making it sticky, and you'll need some sort of solvent to flush it out. |
| 21:41.45 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Oops. |
| 21:41.50 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: ^ |
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| 21:42.46 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: Dust on your fans doesn't hurt much. Dust in the heat exchanger does, and dust in the grills that keeps air from moving through does. |
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| 21:54.09 | drpresid1nt | hey just wanted to say i got it working thanks a bunch for the help |
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| 22:00.26 | droopy | Help my computer won't boot |
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| 22:00.44 | droopy | I replaced the power supply, but when I press the power button the lights flick on and off for a split second |
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| 22:01.17 | c0fe | droopy: could be a variety of hardware problem |
| 22:01.18 | c0fe | s |
| 22:01.39 | droopy | Where do I start? |
| 22:01.44 | droopy | Power supply: Eliminated |
| 22:02.08 | c0fe | droopy: motherboard |
| 22:03.13 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: You have a short circuit somewhere. |
| 22:03.25 | jhutchins_wk | droopy: Check all connections. |
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| 22:06.53 | droopy | :( |
| 22:07.06 | pbase | what is the current version for the linux kernel on debian stable? |
| 22:07.32 | Iridos | dpkg, kernels |
| 22:07.38 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.3-rc5, stable 4.2: 4.2.3, longterm 4.1: 4.1.10, longterm 3.18: 3.18.22, longterm 3.14: 3.14.54, longterm 3.12: 3.12.49, longterm 3.10: 3.10.90, longterm 3.4: 3.4.109, longterm 3.2: 3.2.72, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.68, linux-next: next-20151013 |
| 22:07.44 | droopy | Which is the best irc channel for hardward? |
| 22:07.47 | droopy | *hardware |
| 22:07.53 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 22:07.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.3.0-rc5-686-pae (4.3~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.3-1); stretch: 4.2.0-1-686-pae (4.2.1-2); jessie-backports: 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.2.1-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u5) |
| 22:08.04 | Iridos | bah, wrong got the wrong bot first |
| 22:08.23 | Iridos | maybe ##hardware ? |
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| 22:10.12 | pbase | thanks Iridos |
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| 22:33.28 | sacioz | Hi all , just visiting , thank you . |
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| 22:58.00 | zhxk | hello, maxsizeofswapfile=memorysize*swippiness/100? |
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| 23:01.24 | tremon | max size of on-disk swap is mostly determined by how long you want to wait on an unresponsive system before the kernel starts killing processes |
| 23:01.42 | ghormoon | hi, anyone tried using usb lte modem (huawei e3372) and swith it to "hilink mode" so it would create an eth interface? |
| 23:01.44 | tremon | I rarely have more than 2G swap space on a desktop |
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| 23:05.24 | jhutchins | zhxk: It's more common to use a swap partition than a file in Linux. |
| 23:06.34 | zhxk | im using it on android device |
| 23:07.21 | cxd13 | i'm trying to get a kernel module loaded at boot time. during startup i see a FAILED message about loading kernel modules. i have put it in /lib/modules/`uname -r` and edited /etc/modules with the name |
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| 23:09.02 | tremon | zhxk: I wouldn't use any swap on an android device |
| 23:09.15 | tremon | also, why ask that question on #debian then? |
| 23:09.24 | jhutchins | cxd13: Where did you get the idea to do that? |
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| 23:10.21 | jhutchins | cxd13: Also, where did you get the module? |
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| 23:25.46 | cxd13 | jhutchins: i compiled the module |
| 23:26.12 | cxd13 | and isn't that how you do it.. put it somewhere like that directory then sudo insmod xyz and add it to /etc/modules |
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| 23:48.53 | edju | I have a problem with a repository. I can't explain it here - takes too long. Can be found at http://pastebin.com/aKQrgHsJ Any pointers, hints, workarounds appreciated. |
| 23:49.27 | jhutchins | cxd13: make install? Or make dpkg? |
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| 23:50.06 | jhutchins | cxd13: It has to go in the right place in the module tree, and then you also have to run depmod -a against it (or at least that used to be part of it). |
| 23:51.32 | jhutchins | cxd13: There's some good stuff under "compile a kernel module for debian" like https://www.debian-administration.org/article/640/Rebuilding_a_single_kernel_module |
| 23:51.52 | jhutchins | !ma |
| 23:51.52 | dpkg | ma is, like, milliampere(s), or Morocco, or <module-assistant> |
| 23:52.04 | jhutchins | !module-assistant |
| 23:52.05 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
| 23:55.51 | maazu | good day people |
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| 23:59.47 | cxd13 | jhutchins: just make, then i moved the file.ko to /lib/modules/uname -r |
| 23:59.47 | cxd13 | i'm checking out the link, thanks |
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