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15:54.55*** topic/#debian is Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.2; /msg dpkg 7.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
15:55.04SynrGSo if you haven't the skills to adapt what you learned from reading that page to Debian, I'm sorry, i don't know a systemd solution to the problem
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15:55.44doubletwistI seem to be having trouble doing an update. two of my vm's are failing to update udev
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15:56.09petn-randalldoubletwist: From where to where are you upgrading, and what errors do you get?
15:56.12petn-randall!bat
15:56.12dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: 1. the complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude/dselect run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2..." for the relevant packages and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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15:57.26doubletwistpetn-randall: just doing an "apt-get update" on jessie. Error: http://paste.debian.net/317468/
15:57.48greycatthe *update* fails?  is it httpredir again?
15:57.51camag27SynrG: Okay, I think it works now. Thanks a bunch! But as far as I remember, at the first try with the Debian wiki, I couldn't "aptitude install steam", and if I remember correctly, it said it couldn't find steam.
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15:58.14greycatOh, failure from a previous failure.
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15:58.28greycat,v udev
15:58.29juddPackage: udev on amd64 -- squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-7.2; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u2; stretch: 227-2; sid: 227-2
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15:59.06petn-randalldoubletwist: Can you paste the full output? Also check the message from dpkg for further info.
15:59.07doubletwistOddly enough, on one vm it also has the error "invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rcS.d/S02udev
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15:59.28doubletwistok
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16:00.17SynrGcamag27: sounds like you failed to add non-free and/or failed to apt-get update
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16:00.55camag27SynrG: I doubt it, but I just might..
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16:01.02SynrGcamag27: or failed to add i386 architecture
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16:01.23SynrGOr failed to specify steam:i386
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16:01.35SynrG!multiarch
16:01.35dpkgMultiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages.  For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update».  See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>.  For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
16:01.39doubletwistHere's the full output of the entire update attempt: http://paste.debian.net/?show=317470
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16:02.55doubletwistIt's a very minimal install of jessie + ntp packages and pretty much nothing else.
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16:03.16camag27SynrG: Well, I can't really remember the exact thing, but it didn't pop up with isntallation stuff, but simply failed.. Nevermind, it's fixed
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16:09.02doubletwistAnd nothing terribly exciting in the dpkg.log http://paste.debian.net/317472/
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16:09.43petn-randalldoubletwist: Can you run just 'dpkg --configure -a'? Maybe it output more information.
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16:10.24greycatdoubletwist: you may end up editing /var/lib/dpkg/udev.postinst and sticking "set -x" into it
16:10.26doubletwistpetn-randall: same result. Don't see any difference in the output or the dpkg.log
16:10.43greycatsorry, /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst
16:10.57petn-randalldoubletwist: What greycat said, then re-run 'dpkg --configure -a'
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16:11.35greycatThe set -x should go right underneath line 1.
16:11.55greycatOr you can change "#!/bin/sh -e" to "#!/bin/sh -ex"
16:12.06doubletwistrunning with set -x it seems to be failing right after "+ invoke-rc.d udev restart
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16:16.35masterkorphello
16:16.43apeexiusHi
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16:16.51masterkorpdoes anyone know a graphical app to extract data from a barcode scanner
16:16.53masterkorp?
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16:17.10doubletwisttried with set -x added to /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d - here's the result: http://paste.debian.net/317473/
16:17.12greycatdoubletwist: so it fails when it actually tries to restart udev on the target system.  What version of Debian is this, and what kernel are you running right now?
16:17.30doubletwistkernel is 3.16.0-4-amd64
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16:17.47doubletwistit's jessie. Last updated maybe a month ago or so
16:18.03greycatdoubletwist: ls -ld /etc/init.d/udev
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16:18.24doubletwistgreycat: /etc/init.d/udev doesn't exist
16:18.49greycatdoubletwist: extract the udev .deb file manually, put that file back where it belongs, chmod 755
16:18.58greycatthen figure out who deleted it and why
16:19.19doubletwistas far as I can tell, the apt-get update deleted it
16:19.37greycatapt-get update does not delete files in /etc/init.d/
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16:20.51DrOwlBagh, im getting the Idea that Debian 8.x currently has no way to do HSP/HFP to support bluetooth headsets for in/out audio
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16:21.58DrOwlSeems Blues dropped support in 5.0
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16:22.16doubletwistThis is a home server. Nobody has accessed but me, and I certainly haven't deleted it, unless installing ntp packages delete it.
16:22.17camag27derp
16:22.28greycatdoubletwist: well, then it may remain a mystery
16:22.28DrOwland suggested use of oFone instead, which does not seem to be included!
16:22.54greycatdo you know how to extract the files from a .deb or do we need to help you with that?
16:23.21doubletwistgreycat: I've got it
16:23.24greycatok
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16:24.51doubletwistSeems to be working. Thanks for the help1
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16:26.10doubletwistGoing to drive me nuts wondering how /etc/init.d/udev disappeared on only 2 out of my 7 vms
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16:27.21somiajdoubletwist: was this an upgrade wheezy->jessie?
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16:27.47doubletwistsomiaj: Nope, these were all clean Jessie installs
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16:29.33somiajdoubletwist: yea that does seem odd, that file is part of the udev package, maybe /msg dpkg confmiss and try to reinstall the udev package to get it back. (unsure why it would not be there though)
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16:40.29camag27Well, I can't get Bumblebee to work using, https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
16:41.04camag27It gives me: ERROR cannot access secondary GPU ...... failed to set DRM itnerface version 1.4 permission denied
16:41.49camag27Same as this, only that the solution wont help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2036010
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16:47.04rindolfHi all. How do I change the LC_ALL locale of an underprivileged user on Debian Testing?
16:47.21rindolfI don't want to change it globally.
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16:47.37greycatrindolf: put export LC_ALL=whatever in the user's .bashrc
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16:47.57greycatof course this will only affect programs launched from a shell
16:48.00rindolfgreycat: ok, thanks.
16:48.16rindolfgreycat: what about a display manager desktop env?
16:48.30greycatif you can figure out how to do that, it should also work
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16:52.10SynrGcamag27: using nouveau or nvidia?
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16:54.05SynrGcamag27: bumblebee is for nouveau, bumblebee-nvidia for non-free nvidia
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16:55.22camag27SynrG: Oh yeah, typo, I meant bumblebee-nvidia ofc
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16:55.40camag27I'm using nvidia
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16:56.27camag27But I read that others have this problem
16:57.31rindolfgreycat: thanks.
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16:57.46rindolfgreycat: I'm not getting translations though in cinnamon.
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17:04.47tmp3khey can someone help me or can i just ask a ?
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17:05.03camag27tmp3k: Just ask. :)
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17:06.48rysiek|plohai
17:07.02rysiek|plso, here's my problem that I would like to pick your wonderful brains about
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17:07.30rysiek|pl5 Debian servers, they should be talking to each other, but I rather have them talking through encrypted channels
17:07.31tmp3ksoon as i said that i think i got it it compiled
17:07.36rysiek|plVPN seems like a good bet
17:07.37tmp3kinstalling beef
17:07.37rysiek|plbut
17:07.39JordiGHAny idea how to make Mate's screensaver thingie allow xscreensavers to grab the desktop image?
17:07.46rysiek|plI rather not have a single point of failure
17:08.00JordiGHI guess I could just use xscreensaver directly, but I'd like to get it working it via Mate's screensaver.
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17:08.06greycatrysiek|pl: how are they "talking" to each other?  What information do they share, how?
17:08.06rysiek|plso a star topology of 4 clients, 1 server, routing in between seems not very smart
17:08.33rysiek|plgreycat: a bunch of services -- zabbix server here, zabbix agent there, nginx front-end reverse proxy to some backend services here and there, etc
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17:09.05greycatAre they all in the same place, or are they spread around?
17:09.25rysiek|plspread around, intentionally
17:09.51greycatThe proxy-to-backend pair sounds like they want to be together physically.
17:09.53tmp3koh yea i know now how can i make it so that i dont have to type bash, python,pearl in front of the scripts ?
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17:10.11greycattmp3k: the script should begin with a proper shebang header, e.g. #!/usr/bin/env perl
17:10.25greycattmp3k: then it'll invoke that interpreter when you execute it.  Also, you need chmod +x bits on it.
17:10.31rysiek|plgreycat: not really, the service is used all that often
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17:10.52rysiek|plgreycat: and I rather have the front-end somewhere else than the precious data on the back-end ;)
17:11.22rysiek|plneither of the services is network-intensive, as in there aren't going to be TBs of data flying around
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17:11.48rysiek|plsecurity, reliability, and seamlessness are more important for me, in that order
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17:12.56rysiek|plso, once I set it up, I'd love to have a situation where if I have a new server, I could add it to the bunch, and the others would be able to talk to services there (and vice-versa) without having to do much (i.e. without setting individual links for each application,e tc)
17:13.11rysiek|plhence, ssh tunnels and stunnel are not exactly what I'm looking for
17:13.12tmp3kok yes i got that chmod part down just wondering why it would not run...so i will check that im using NST tool kit linuz its a spinn of kali its fedora based...i have debain on my other machine really thinking about ditching windows and the windows servers and going all linux!
17:13.30rysiek|plit's just that I feel there has to be a simple yet elegant solution to this problem, and I seem to be missing it
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17:15.28SynrGcamag27: I'm not so good with bumblebee since i don't have any such hardware. Good luck
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17:15.55camag27SynrG: It's okay, it seems to be a Xorg/kernel problem anyway.
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17:16.37tmp3koops didnt know it would do that
17:16.43greycat"it worked"
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17:17.47teraflopstmp3k: at least yore using hexchat not xchat2 :P
17:17.54camag27Which driver is the best for an Intel HD GPU? Can a nvidia driver run it?
17:18.06greycatintel chipsets use intel drivers
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17:18.18tmp3kyea lol
17:18.30camag27greycat: I thought so, hmm
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17:19.54SynrG,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
17:19.55juddPackage: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:2.99.917-2; stretch: 2:2.99.917-2
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17:20.00camag27glxinfo | grep -i vendor returns SDI and Mesa project
17:20.15camag27WMeare
17:20.20camag27WMware*
17:20.26SynrGcamag27: ^ Intel backport available
17:20.41camag27SynrG: You mean?
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17:20.45SynrGIn jessie-backports
17:20.51SynrGIf that helps
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17:21.34camag27??
17:21.55tmp3kI have this other 3 issues i can not boot certin distros on my old laptop. black screen and get really really hot..will boot live fo the install but after the install and 1st boot I get black screen.
17:21.56greycatcamag27: he's saying that maybe you should try installing that backported driver
17:22.04SynrGIs it the integrate gpu crapping out or discrete?
17:22.14SynrGIntegrated*
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17:22.46SynrGYep. Sorry. On cell. Typing slow and difficult
17:22.54camag27SynrG: I think it runs not so well, the integrated Intel driver
17:23.01camag27*gpu
17:23.28SynrGSo installing from jessie-backports a newer Intel driver may help
17:23.54SynrGProbably wants to be paired with a backports kernel
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17:24.08SynrG!bpo kernel
17:24.09dpkgNewer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository.  Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update».  To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`».  To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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17:26.44camag27SynrG: Okay, so that's added now, what packages then?
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17:28.09camag27xserver-xorg-video-intel?
17:28.10SynrGTricky. There's nvidia too ...
17:28.21SynrGMaybe just that one for now
17:28.32camag27Okay, I'll try
17:28.43SynrGThe kernel could come next if there are still issues
17:29.05camag27Well, that's already isntalled
17:29.05SynrGThough that may force an nvidia upgrade to backports
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17:29.20SynrGThe backports kernel? Ah
17:29.31SynrGWell, just try :)
17:29.36camag27this : xserver-xorg-video-intel
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17:30.06SynrGYes. Don't forget -t jessie-backports
17:30.41camag27Still use Wmware..
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17:36.15tmp3kso should I try for Kali on this old laptop or just keep NST
17:36.32tmp3kim liking fedora based as well I try to use both\
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17:37.57SynrGtmp3k: off topic. This is #debian
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17:38.28tmp3kwell im on Debain now lol im working back end on the other
17:38.44greycatThe #debian answer to "should I try Kali or NST" is "no".
17:38.51SynrGExactly
17:39.45SynrGHand craft a live image with the tools you want made from Debian using live-build
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17:41.59EaglemanI am trying to setup bridged networking for KVM, I've setup a br0 interface: http://lpaste.net/664529078182739968 and i am using that interface as NIC on my VM, however the VM isnt able to retrieve an IP from the dhcp server, i am not even seeing dhcp packets in the network. Why cant the VM reach the real network, or even the host?
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17:43.13camag27There we go, that helped. Thanks SynrG
17:43.30SynrGcamag27: yay!
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17:44.02camag27SynrG: glxgears from 4500 fps to 60000
17:44.13SynrGWoohoo
17:44.18camag27If the dot means thousands at least...
17:44.30SynrG(though glxgears is not a benchmark)
17:44.49SynrGFps that high is meaningless
17:45.06camag27SynrG: Or maybe it is vcsyncing?
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17:45.28SynrGshrugs
17:45.38greycatIf it's working, then stop tweaking it.
17:45.45SynrGUse a proper benchmark for meaningful comparison
17:46.00camag27Nah it's 301 frames for 5 seconds. :P
17:46.07camag27SynrG: Such as?
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17:46.25SynrGDunno. Ask phoronix?  :)
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17:48.04SynrGI'm no gamer. I care little for graphics benchmarks. I just know glxgears isn't one, despite its popularity
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17:48.29greycatThe reason people continue to use glxgears for that, is because there's no alternative, despite all the purists saying "don't use glxgears".
17:48.44camag27haha
17:49.12foul_owlHi folks. I currently have tmux 1.9 installed from jessie/main. Looks like there is a pane switching bug in tmux, so I want to upgrade my tmux version
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17:49.35foul_owlLooks like 2.0-3 is available in jessie-backports/main
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17:49.45foul_owlHow do I install this package instead? Thanks!
17:49.48greycatfoul_owl: is this bug already in the debian bug tracking system?
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17:50.23foul_owlNot sure how to check that :/
17:50.37greycathttp://bugs.debian.org/tmux
17:52.00foul_owlThank you!
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17:52.05foul_owlLooks like the bug is not listed there
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17:52.50foul_owlShould I report the bug, or should I try installing 2.0-3 from the backports?
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17:53.17foul_owlIt seems like if the bug is fixed in 2.0-3, I'm just wasting everyone's time by reporting it. Or am I?
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17:54.19greycatI have no idea.
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17:54.32greycatAnyway, to install backport packages, /msg dpkg debian-backports
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17:55.10camag27How does one configure the xserver-xorg-video-intel (Intel GPU driver)?
17:55.29foul_owlThanks!
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17:57.10metaphysiciancamag27: read intel(4) manpage
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17:58.13camag27man intel(4)? Doesn't work, neither man xserver-xorg-video-intel..
17:58.39greycatcamag27: "man 4 intel" is what you type to read intel(4)
17:59.09camag27Okay, no entry iether..
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17:59.54greycatDid the backported package forget to include the man page?  It's in the jessie package.
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18:00.35greycat$ dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel | grep intel.4
18:00.35greycat/usr/share/man/man4/intel.4.gz
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18:02.34camag27No such file/direc
18:03.27camag27Well, I was just interested in if it ran with Vsync, WMware doesn't..
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18:04.23metaphysiciancamag27: http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=intel
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18:06.17greycat/cgi-bin/ *and* .cgi ... talk about overkill
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18:10.06camag27Oh well, thanks for all the help today
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18:10.30camag27Def. learned smth
18:11.43gnat_xhi folks. i'm setting up a debian router using dnsmasq. i have the wifi controller passing the vlan id based on the essid you connect to. what i want to do on the dnsmasq side is match that vlan tag and hand out dhcp in different subnets accordingly. i'm attempting to match using the tag: directive in dhcp-range, but it doesn't seem to be working. any thoughts or documentation i should read.
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18:13.07dynekhello guys - have a weird issue. I built a kernel for a baytrail cpu and it's not booting if no USB device is plugged in :-/
18:13.10dynekhttps://www.bs-network.net/tmp/IMG_9685.jpg
18:13.13dynekany ide a?
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18:20.49Jaga-JagaI need to fix dpi and i use the command "xrandr --dpi 96x96" however after reboot it doesnt stick
18:21.03Jaga-Jagahow do i make it permanent ?
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18:48.12jhutchinsJaga-Jaga: You can put a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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18:48.54Jaga-Jagajhutchins: ok thx
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19:51.44pflanzeHello. I thought you could reopen the terminal in contexts with a controlling tty,  by opening /dev/tty or something.
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19:52.23pflanzeBut opening /dev/tty does then leave the process with a file descriptor that carries this path as information, as can be seen with lsof, and `tty` will also report that path.
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19:52.51pflanzeAnd gnuclient from xemacs will refuse to work if stdin is opened from /dev/tty.
19:53.18pflanzeSo, am I f*d or is there another way to figure out what the controlling tty is?
19:53.28pflanze(if stdin/out/err have been redirected)
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19:59.31JordiGHWould all of Debian under a single repo be bigger or smaller than Google's monorepo>
19:59.32JordiGH?
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20:01.05jellyJordiGH: no idea what "Google's monorepo" is
20:01.10jelly!mirror size
20:01.11dpkgTo see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size .  To make your own mirror, ask me about <mirrors>.
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20:19.39ewewIs there a source of information related to bridge configuration with interfaces config ?
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20:24.13subwaycoderhey guys. i use stretch and i upgraded a bunch of stuff ... now my kde is very unstable and on a fresh user account it does not start at all. is this a common experience ?
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20:26.03ewewsubwaycoder This channel is for stable release. Here is some information https://www.debian.org/releases/
20:26.15JordiGHIs it?
20:26.19JordiGH!unstable
20:26.19dpkgUnstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system!  Ask me about <break>.  If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.  http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable .  See also  <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
20:26.36JordiGH!testing
20:26.36dpkgTesting is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical!
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20:28.00ewewsubwaycoder For other releases try #debian-next irc.oftc.net.
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20:28.35subwaycoderthanks ewew
20:28.42ewewsubwaycoder np
20:29.47subwaycoder#debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited :)
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20:30.11ewewsubwaycoder Do it with get list.
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20:31.12ewewsubwaycoder What client are you using ?
20:31.19greycatsubwaycoder: /topic #debian-next
20:31.30subwaycoderewew konversation
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20:31.50centrxsubwaycoder, It's on irc.oftc.net
20:31.54subwaycoderyes i see
20:31.55subwaycoderthanks
20:32.04JordiGHWow, so when did this channel become stable-only?
20:32.04subwaycodersorry for being so noobish
20:32.16JordiGHsubwaycoder: noobs should not be using testing.
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20:32.46centrxJordiGH, It's always been generally, but it's not a big issue if someone asks about testing here
20:32.47DragginYay! I'm so proud of myself... My first Debian installation, and I've managed to come as far as to get my 3G modem to work AND connect to IRC :D *beam*
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20:33.06centrxJordiGH, But e.g. sometimes this channel is very busy, so helps to move different questions/discussions elsewhere
20:33.26subwaycoderthank you guys and have a nice day
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20:33.31centrxJordiGH, Also subject-matter experts are sometimes in different channels
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20:34.13DragginQuestion though - I haven't worked with xorg.conf etc. in a very long time (the more recent versions of Ubuntu managed things quite nicely). Is this channel a good place to ask for advice with getting my monitor up and running properly?
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20:35.22greycatGenerally you shouldn't need an xorg.conf file any more.
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20:36.01greycatIf X isn't working on Jessie, show us which video chipset you're using (the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA)
20:36.03ewewOr when you want mess around.:)
20:36.05Draggingreycat, I also thought so, but this particular computer is pretty old, and I'm sure the monitor can support more than the 1024x768 that it's currently stuck on
20:36.12greycatSome chipsets may need special drivers.
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20:36.46Draggingreycat: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 02)
20:37.00ewewMaybe when using two or more VGA is one computer.:) But that is a rare situation.
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20:37.44greycatDraggin: well, that's listed as supported by the intel driver in jessie..
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20:38.35Draggingreycat, X is working. Everything is working beautifully on this machine, in fact. It's just that my screen resolution seems to be capped at 1024x768.
20:38.57swift110where do I get the latest debian release
20:39.11DragginI've tried following some instructions on manually adding additional modelines etc. but I haven't seen any changes whatsoever
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20:40.30DammitJimwhat command can I use to be able to tell if I am using slim vs lightdm as a logon screen?
20:40.56rysiek|plokay, so, for a back-end, server-to-server VPN
20:41.00rysiek|plopenvpn or ipsec?
20:41.10DragginBRB
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20:47.46deegoDo most people use tlsdate instead of ntp/date now?
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20:47.58greycatnever heard of it
20:48.10markybobme either
20:48.20teraflopsI use openntpd :P
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20:49.58deegois reading this: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/22/1428208/researchers-warn-computer-clocks-can-be-easily-scrambled-via-ntp-flaws
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20:51.09deegoIncidentally, apt-get shows things like this: "Reading package lists... 2531%"
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20:54.47markybobdeego, y2k bug will bring planes down
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20:58.24deegomarkybob: ikr, all this security stuff is overblown. glad you use windoze. what are you doing here?
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20:59.50markybobhugs his windows phone
21:00.01rysiek|plyour windows have a phone?
21:00.13rysiek|plthat does not make any sense
21:00.18centrxThis is Bill Gates calling, where would you like to go today?
21:00.20menacesoftphone :>
21:00.45rysiek|plcentrx: Windows 95 is over 5000...<blam>
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21:01.46blindover 5000 what?
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21:12.27jsabeaudryIs it possible to use debian but to compile all packages from source instead of downloading binaries in day to day usage?
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21:12.40jsabeaudryBasically using it as a source based distro
21:12.56rysiek|plblind: sorry, that was win98: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBS-dNo0Bk
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21:14.31deegojsabeaudry: apt-get -b source is all i know. idk if that will work for "base" packages.
21:15.03deegoand apt-get build-dep to get the dependencies for building from source.
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21:15.29deegobut, of course, what you are looking for is to, in turn, -b source, for each dependency :)
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21:18.35jsabeaudrydeego, thanks, so it is somewhat possible! great!
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21:23.18peterrooneydeego: there is also apt-src
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21:34.42deegopeterrooney: ah nice
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21:35.35deegohm, and apt-build
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21:40.34centrx!ask
21:40.34dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:40.48nezZarioI just got an e-mail from the smartd daemon, saying .. "Device: /dev/sda [SAT], unable to open device" ...
21:40.59nezZarioDid one of my RAID devices just fail?
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21:42.52THE_GFR|WORKhey everyone anyone here know much about LSI MegaRaid?  I have a question about a RAID 5 rebuild
21:43.18nezZarioHere is a full output of /proc/mdstat and the e-mail .. I think the [_U] means I'm running a degraded RAID? http://paste.debian.net/317534/
21:43.41THE_GFR|WORKI'm running a degraded raid, but it has two drives with bad sectors I was not alerted to
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21:44.00centrxwhoa double RAID
21:44.15THE_GFR|WORKits attempting a rebuild but it's failing the rebuild because more than one drive has bad sectors
21:44.17nezZariohaha sorry THE_GFR|WORK, I'm not talking about your issue, I think one of my drives died a few days ago
21:44.52THE_GFR|WORKI have an LSI MegaRaid and it's failing to rebuild.  I was going to ask if I could just image the second drive with say ddrescue and put it back in and have the rebuild work
21:44.57THE_GFR|WORKnezZario: no worries
21:45.42THE_GFR|WORKbut I kind of need to know if I can cancel the rebuild, shut down the raid and recover
21:46.01nezZariooops, yep, finally found something explaining the output of /proc/mdstat .. RAID looks to have saved the day for me .. I guess the next hurdle is figuring out which one of the drives actually died
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21:46.37THE_GFR|WORKnezZario: my RAID told me what drive failed, technically they didn't fail according to manufactuers just tons of bad sectors
21:47.13nezZarioI'm pretty impressed smartd actually e-mailed me
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21:56.46jhutchinsTHE_GFR|WORK: If it's 5 you won't have a complete set of data on any one drive.
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21:57.07jhutchinsTHE_GFR|WORK: That's one reason raid != backup.
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22:14.17Psyqsweet now it is working good my openSUSE TW yyyuuuuppppppiiiii
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22:15.17cra1g321whats this about stumbleweed ? ;)
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22:30.38DrManhattanGood afternoon, I was wondering if anyone here knows how I go about installing squeeze onto an advanced format drive without 512 byte emulation?
22:31.48wskyhey i'm getting Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd: Permission denied when i try to start bluetoothd
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22:32.11wskyi can reinstall it and it works again but the it starts failing after reboot
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22:37.16wskyit seems that something is running -x on the bluetoothd binary
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22:41.05wskyi can manually run "chmod +x /usr/lib/bluetooth/bluetoothd" but this iwll get overriden after i restart
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22:48.05alesanhello
22:48.17alesanI am confused on what should be in the sources.list for apt
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22:48.29alesandeb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main I have this in mine
22:48.38alesanI am not sure it's correct
22:48.48bazhang!repos
22:48.48dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
22:49.17alesanhow do I determine I need to use jessie or wheezy ?
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22:50.05wskyso, anyone knows what cane make bluetoothd not executable?
22:50.13wskyis it a systemd bug?
22:51.52c0feits not a bug its a feature
22:52.08c0fealso how do i disable the idiotic swipe to unlock on debian?
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22:52.25wacekhi
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22:53.57wacekor transition in debian 8 to systemd is a good decision debian developers?
22:54.18c0fewacek: there are those up in arms about it
22:54.30ScRaMbLenods
22:55.26c0fewacek: https://devuan.org/
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22:55.36alesanwhta is the latest version of debian that does not use that software ?
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22:57.22c0fealesan: debian 7
22:57.55alesanthat would be wheezy?
22:58.15c0feyes
22:59.37wacekbut for the casual user probably no difference, the only advantage of systemd, a faster system start
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23:00.18TheLabHi, I've been trying to figure this out -> http://pastie.org/10500824 . Running Debian 8 Jessie
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23:00.58c0fewacek: people bitch about systemd for stupid reasons
23:01.10wacekwhether it makes sense to update Debian to Debian 7 to 8 how everything works well?
23:01.37alesanso
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23:01.49alesanfor whatever reason, i2c_tools has perl as dependency
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23:01.58alesanwhich is absolutely unnecessary
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23:02.16alesanthe i2c-tool programs are C programs, do not need perl at all
23:02.23c0feTheLab: how are you running this?
23:02.47alesancan I just tell apt-get not to insist and install i2c-tools without perl?
23:02.54c0fewacek: not exactly, depending on what you are running, since it is a major transition you may have issues
23:03.13c0fealesan: use the force
23:03.22alesanc0fe, explain pls?
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23:03.51TheLabc0fe, trying to setup remote desktop from win to my vps. I did vncserver :1 , then I try to connect but error comes. I then try to start gnome with startx manually which then gives the error above.
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23:04.18c0fealesan: use --nodeps flag with apt-get
23:04.41alesanok! I tried --no-install-recommends but it still wants perl
23:04.43alesanI will try
23:04.58c0feTheLab: so debian is running on a VPS?
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23:05.05TheLabCorrect c0fe
23:05.05alesanE: Command line option --no-deps is not understood
23:05.23c0feTheLab: then it is using a container technology and needs full KVM
23:05.32c0fealesan: strange, hold on
23:06.21TheLabc0fe, ayt. So no way of making a remote desktop connection somehow with out full KVM ?
23:06.29c0fealesan: try -f flag
23:06.35c0feTheLab: no
23:06.57alesanapt-get -f install i2c-tools
23:06.58TheLabOk, c0fe, thx.
23:07.12c0feyup
23:07.17c0fealesan: yup
23:07.21alesanit still wants to install the whole perl dependency hell, over 35 packages
23:07.33alesan(this is wheezy armel)
23:08.22c0feyeah not really sure why those two flags aren't working
23:09.29wacekonce I updated the debian 6 to 7, and there were no problems.
23:09.29wacekbut now I am afraid that the update debian 7 to 8 will cause problems caused by the transition sysvinit to systemd
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23:10.13c0fewacek: you can always test it in virtual
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23:10.19c0feor make a backup
23:10.22crippledmonki backed up my files and configs and did a clean net install personally.
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23:13.08wacekif you can debian system from the host computer to clone and put on virtualbox?
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23:15.02kaakI've got a number of devices on the cellular network with public IP address. They are frequently the targets of SSH bruteforce attacks --which I believe I have secure.
23:15.32kaakThe problem is that they are hitting my limited bandwith hard. What can I do to most quickly kill a ssh connection attempt?
23:15.41kaakboth at the sshd configuration, and firewall level
23:17.03tmp3khey question is there a way when using screen, and i split the terminal into 2 how do I have independent scrolls for each window? or each split?
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23:18.29c0fekaak: you would need a firewall
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23:21.14tmp3kim trying kde desktop now anyone have a fav?
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23:23.24cxd13tmp3k: kde is nice
23:23.24Brigokaak, do you know fail2ban?
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23:23.48cxd13haven't used screen but it must be possible
23:23.48p444How can i find what start up services are runnign n linux?
23:23.58cxd13terminator does that too
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23:30.54XipHi :)
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23:35.33Xip1616 people here and no one wants to say hi back :)
23:35.36XipWhat a great community
23:35.48XipIt's IRC!
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23:36.28Xip"This is the Debian channel... a standard channel everone lurks in to take a stance that they use Debian.. it's not about chatting.."
23:38.10zhlXip: hello
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23:38.58xhipnice name xip
23:43.48BrigoXip, that is a support channel, for chatting try  #debian-offtopic
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23:45.39Xipxhip: When did you register the nick?
23:45.54Xipxhip: You tried to get Xip? :D
23:46.37Xipxhip: I get online now and then to keep the name alive. But I hardly go on IRC anymore.. just too much work :)
23:46.52XipBrigo: Okay :)
23:47.00Xipzhl: Hello
23:47.37XipI do have a few questions, I've just made the "big" move to run my own sites on a server
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23:49.41zhl!aks
23:49.46zhl!ask
23:49.46dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
23:50.05xhipxip lol yeh I use xhip but .... lol xip.pt <- ;)
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23:52.38Xipxhip: I just got a new laptop with Mcafee pre-installed, going to get rid of it, but just heads up that their network has flagged your site as not secure
23:52.58Doxinso how do I get my screen to be at its native 2560x1440 instead of the wonky scaled 1920x1440 it is doing now?
23:53.04Xipxhip: Not sure why, it doesn't say
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23:54.18xhip._.
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23:54.36xhipxip.pt is hosting in tumblr lol´
23:54.41xhiphow is not safe?
23:54.56xhipfuu mcafee lol
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23:55.29Xipxhip: Not like you run a million dollar business on the website, but just saying anyone running it won't be able to visit your site
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23:55.50xhiplol
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23:56.18Xipxhip: If it's run by Tumblr then that's really weird
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23:56.42jordanmDoxin: you can use xrandr to change resolutions or your DE's GUI
23:56.54jordanmDoxin: in KDE it's system settings -> display
23:57.01xhiptumblr is a weird place yes.. but not my site  .' ( lol
23:57.33Doxinjordanm: my DE doesn't have a GUI for it, and xrandr is refusing to make the resolution any bigger
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23:57.41Doxinjordanm: Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1440, current 1920 x 1440, maximum 1920 x 1440
23:58.01jordanmDoxin: what version of debian and what graphics card?
23:58.21Doxinjordanm: radeon 6850, how do I figure out debian version?
23:58.29jordanmDoxin: lsb_release -a
23:59.00Doxinjordanm: Debian GNU/Linux testing-updates (sid)
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